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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Pragmaticcircus on November 27, 2015, 05:59:46 PM
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What are your thoughts on this? Considering the bad reception of Prometheus but that they have new writers? Will it further damage the franchise?
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I would not say that the reception was bad. The reception may have been a bit more lukewarm than people expected, but I just recently saw it and thought it was far better than the reviews led me to believe.
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I would not say that the reception was bad. The reception may have been a bit more lukewarm than people expected, but I just recently saw it and thought it was far better than the reviews led me to believe.
I thought it was alright myself, I liked that it was a little more CREATIVE with the story then most of the Alien movies prior. But as a prequel it was meant to answer a lot more than it did and instead gave us lots of questions.
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Thanks! :tup
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I'm looking forward to it. I liked Prometheus and the Alien franchise up to Alien 3.....anything after that I kind of was just like ....ehhh....
But, I'm interested to see the story Scott is going to tell but very concerned that he will kick the bucket before he can write/film the three movies he has planned that lead into the original ALIEN.
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I'm interested as to how they expand the Alien franchise, like how far they go with it. Because with Prometheus we got the engineers (as characters kinda) and Covenant is meant to cover their homeworld..
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Was more looking forward to Neill Blomkamps Alien but that dosen't seem to happen anytime soon, if at all. Was probably put on hold because Scotts movies. Hopefully he has a better script and characters for this movie than Prometheus.
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Was more looking forward to Neill Blomkamps Alien but that dosen't seem to happen anytime soon, if at all. Was probably put on hold because Scotts movies. Hopefully he has a better script and characters for this movie than Prometheus.
Fucking sucks, I hope he doesn't loose the movie all together ???
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I liked Prometheus quite a bit and am very much looking forward to Alien Covenant.
I thought it was alright myself, I liked that it was a little more CREATIVE with the story then most of the Alien movies prior. But as a prequel it was meant to answer a lot more than it did and instead gave us lots of questions.
I don't really see Prometheus as a prequel, more of a spin-off since it really has nothing to do with anything in the first Alien movie. I think many people expected a straight up prequel though, which I guess disappointed them.
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According to Variety, Noomi Rapace is back for Alien: Covenant.
For many, this is good news. I'm rather indifferent, since for me the story was so disjointed that it almost didn't matter. The picture accompanying the article, however, has got to be one of the worst photoshops I've ever seen in a movie ad.
(https://i2.wp.com/pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/noomi_prometheus.jpg)
I don't really see Prometheus as a prequel, more of a spin-off since it really has nothing to do with anything in the first Alien movie. I think many people expected a straight up prequel though, which I guess disappointed them.
I can't agree. It seemed pretty clear to me that "the engineers" (as they've been dubbed) were working with biotech and genetech which ultimately will lead to the xenomorph we know and love, a.k.a. "the alien". There were references throughout the movie.
The article says that this will be a trilogy, so apparently Alien: Covenant will take us a step or two closer, then whatever the third movie is will lead directly to the events in the original Alien. (The article stops short of referring to the new films as a "prequel trilogy" -- even though that's what it will be -- presumably to avoid negative associations with the Star Wars prequel trilogy.)
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Looking forward to it. I am completely lost as to what films are being done and how they relate, as the information that has been released seems to be a convoluted mess (and I have not been following it all that closely). But if it is as good as Prometheus and don't have Wile E. Coyote gags, I will likely enjoy it.
I'm rather indifferent, since for me the story was so disjointed that it almost didn't matter.
Wait, what? ???
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I think I fell asleep all 3 times I attempted to watch Prometheus and I thought it was supposed to be good, especially for a fan of the Alien movies. I can't say I have any hopes for anything at this point with the franchise.
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Don't tell me you could follow that plot. :lol
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If he fell asleep, I doubt he could follow it much.
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I don't really see Prometheus as a prequel, more of a spin-off since it really has nothing to do with anything in the first Alien movie. I think many people expected a straight up prequel though, which I guess disappointed them.
I can't agree. It seemed pretty clear to me that "the engineers" (as they've been dubbed) were working with biotech and genetech which ultimately will lead to the xenomorph we know and love, a.k.a. "the alien". There were references throughout the movie.
Well, Prometheus takes place like a few decades before Alien. And in the original Alien movie they say that the corpse of the engineer is "fossilised", meaning at least thousands of years. So as Prometheus is happening, that ship is already crashed and dead for a long long time, which would also mean that the existance of the xenomorph is way way older than Prometheus.
This is how I see it at least, meaning that there is no way that this new trilogy would lead directly into the original. At least not from that angle. They could still tie it into the first one from earth's point of view and maybe end it with the Nostromo setting out on its voyage. But the creation of the xenomorph is old news even by the time Prometheus happens.
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I'm rather indifferent, since for me the story was so disjointed that it almost didn't matter.
Wait, what? ???
I couldn't figure out what was going on most of the time. There was the opening thing, there were the guys exploring the planet with the croissant ship just like the one in the original Alien, there was obviously a lot of shit going on indicative of the biotech development (/experiments?), but I mostly was watching and figuring it'll all make sense at some point, and it never really did. I only watched it twice, though. I figure if it takes more than two viewings to understand a movie, that's a shortcoming of the movie, not me.
So some people are saying it doesn't make sense that Noomi's character would be back, because they were assuming that we'd jump ahead in the timeline or something, while I thought it was pretty obvious at the end of Prometheus that we're going to pick things up pretty much from there. But it doesn't really matter to me. If I can't follow the plot, I can at least enjoy the visual spectacle.
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Well, Prometheus takes place like a few decades before Alien. And in the original Alien movie they say that the corpse of the engineer is "fossilised", meaning at least thousands of years. So as Prometheus is happening, that ship is already crashed and dead for a long long time, which would also mean that the existance of the xenomorph is way way older than Prometheus.
I completely missed that point. You're right; the timelines don't make sense for it to be a prequel. Just "more story" set in the same universe, or something.
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Well, Prometheus takes place like a few decades before Alien. And in the original Alien movie they say that the corpse of the engineer is "fossilised",
that line was "seems fossilised". That's assuming fossilization works the same way on an Alien planet countless light years away with a different atmosphere. The scene where Cain goes down to the 'egg' pit there are literally dozens upon dozens of those pits in the shot but the pit he landed in was the last one with 'power' or that protective field on. So, that ship had been there a bit....and was on it's last leg of power or whatever to preserve those eggs.....but I doubt it was hundreds or thousands of years. More like a decade or so.
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Well, Prometheus takes place like a few decades before Alien. And in the original Alien movie they say that the corpse of the engineer is "fossilised", meaning at least thousands of years. So as Prometheus is happening, that ship is already crashed and dead for a long long time, which would also mean that the existance of the xenomorph is way way older than Prometheus.
I completely missed that point. You're right; the timelines don't make sense for it to be a prequel. Just "more story" set in the same universe, or something.
Isn't that how the director described it?
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If he fell asleep, I doubt he could follow it much.
That was in reply to your wait what.
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Well, Prometheus takes place like a few decades before Alien. And in the original Alien movie they say that the corpse of the engineer is "fossilised",
that line was "seems fossilised". That's assuming fossilization works the same way on an Alien planet countless light years away with a different atmosphere. The scene where Cain goes down to the 'egg' pit there are literally dozens upon dozens of those pits in the shot but the pit he landed in was the last one with 'power' or that protective field on. So, that ship had been there a bit....and was on it's last leg of power or whatever to preserve those eggs.....but I doubt it was hundreds or thousands of years. More like a decade or so.
I don't know. Fossilisation might work a bit differently in different environments, but that differently? I find it unlikely.
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I don't really see Prometheus as a prequel, more of a spin-off since it really has nothing to do with anything in the first Alien movie. I think many people expected a straight up prequel though, which I guess disappointed them.
I can't agree. It seemed pretty clear to me that "the engineers" (as they've been dubbed) were working with biotech and genetech which ultimately will lead to the xenomorph we know and love, a.k.a. "the alien". There were references throughout the movie.
Well, Prometheus takes place like a few decades before Alien. And in the original Alien movie they say that the corpse of the engineer is "fossilised", meaning at least thousands of years. So as Prometheus is happening, that ship is already crashed and dead for a long long time, which would also mean that the existance of the xenomorph is way way older than Prometheus.
This is how I see it at least, meaning that there is no way that this new trilogy would lead directly into the original. At least not from that angle. They could still tie it into the first one from earth's point of view and maybe end it with the Nostromo setting out on its voyage. But the creation of the xenomorph is old news even by the time Prometheus happens.
Okay, but why is any of that an issue? I'm not seeing the problem.
I'm rather indifferent, since for me the story was so disjointed that it almost didn't matter.
Wait, what? ???
I couldn't figure out what was going on most of the time. There was the opening thing, there were the guys exploring the planet with the croissant ship just like the one in the original Alien, there was obviously a lot of shit going on indicative of the biotech development (/experiments?), but I mostly was watching and figuring it'll all make sense at some point, and it never really did. I only watched it twice, though. I figure if it takes more than two viewings to understand a movie, that's a shortcoming of the movie, not me.
So some people are saying it doesn't make sense that Noomi's character would be back, because they were assuming that we'd jump ahead in the timeline or something, while I thought it was pretty obvious at the end of Prometheus that we're going to pick things up pretty much from there. But it doesn't really matter to me. If I can't follow the plot, I can at least enjoy the visual spectacle.
Really? I didn't think it was that difficult. "Engineers" have created a means of terraforming planets and, as you put it, experimenting with biotech and genetech to "create" life on those worlds, and there is an implication that that is how life on earth began. At least two different "factions" on earth are interested when it is discovered that they exist and that they have left sort of a "map" to where they are: Shaw's "faction," which is thrilled from the perspective of how cool a scientific discovery it is that "we are not alone"; and Weyland's "faction" that wants to exploit their technology. They journey to this faraway world where a sinister scene of events unfolds, namely, the Engineers' technology is essentially a weapon and what they find is essentially a bunker; the "weapon" sort of got out of control; the Engineers are not happy with mankind's basic selfish philosophy and want to wipe us out; everyone except Shaw dies in the unfolding of events, and she wants to go to the homeworld to try to find answers and stop them from destroying humanity.
Is it really that complicated?
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Okay, but why is any of that an issue? I'm not seeing the problem.
There isn't one, really. Just clearing stuff up I guess.
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Really? I didn't think it was that difficult. "Engineers" have created a means of terraforming planets and, as you put it, experimenting with biotech and genetech to "create" life on those worlds, and there is an implication that that is how life on earth began. At least two different "factions" on earth are interested when it is discovered that they exist and that they have left sort of a "map" to where they are: Shaw's "faction," which is thrilled from the perspective of how cool a scientific discovery it is that "we are not alone"; and Weyland's "faction" that wants to exploit their technology. They journey to this faraway world where a sinister scene of events unfolds, namely, the Engineers' technology is essentially a weapon and what they find is essentially a bunker; the "weapon" sort of got out of control; the Engineers are not happy with mankind's basic selfish philosophy and want to wipe us out; everyone except Shaw dies in the unfolding of events, and she wants to go to the homeworld to try to find answers and stop them from destroying humanity.
Is it really that complicated?
I've gotta admit, that's the way I see it as well. And I've only seen it once, and didn't really find it convoluted.
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Oh, and most importantly: There is an intervening Wile E. Coyote moment of a large falling thing, and Charlize Theron momentarily forgets that running in any direction other than straight ahead is an option and gets crushed by said large falling thing.
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Really? I didn't think it was that difficult. "Engineers" have created a means of terraforming planets and, as you put it, experimenting with biotech and genetech to "create" life on those worlds, and there is an implication that that is how life on earth began. At least two different "factions" on earth are interested when it is discovered that they exist and that they have left sort of a "map" to where they are: Shaw's "faction," which is thrilled from the perspective of how cool a scientific discovery it is that "we are not alone"; and Weyland's "faction" that wants to exploit their technology. They journey to this faraway world where a sinister scene of events unfolds, namely, the Engineers' technology is essentially a weapon and what they find is essentially a bunker; the "weapon" sort of got out of control; the Engineers are not happy with mankind's basic selfish philosophy and want to wipe us out; everyone except Shaw dies in the unfolding of events, and she wants to go to the homeworld to try to find answers and stop them from destroying humanity.
Is it really that complicated?
I've gotta admit, that's the way I see it as well. And I've only seen it once, and didn't really find it convoluted.
Okay, that all makes sense, and fits with what I could follow of the movie. Online, it seemed the vast majority of viewers couldn't follow what was going on, so I didn't feel so bad. I like to think of myself as smarter than the average moviegoer, but at least I wasn't alone.
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Oh, and most importantly: There is an intervening Wile E. Coyote moment of a large falling thing, and Charlize Theron momentarily forgets that running in any direction other than straight ahead is an option and gets crushed by said large falling thing.
Because they were also running from falling Prometheus debris.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx-4QQ8UAAAvZSX.jpg:large)
MAY 19
:2metal: FK YH IM READY
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That's a poster I can get behind :tup
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This is all I needed get to excited for this flick!!!
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I don't have high hopes after Prometheus and since one of this movie's writers wrote Green Lantern.
That said, that's an amazing poster.
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Cautiously Optimistic for this. I liked Prometheus so I'm hoping for the best for This.
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I don't have high hopes after Prometheus and since one of this movie's writers wrote Green Lantern.
That said, that's an amazing poster.
IMDB lists 3 screenwriters and two of them seem to say they have re-written the screenplay so I'm not sure what the deal is. This harks back to the prometheus writing where they had 2 writers, one re-writing and improving the others writing. That poster is definitely badass.
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That's a bad-ass poster but yea, I have my doubts after seeing Prometheus. Was more looking forward to Neill Blomkamps Alien movie.
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That's a bad-ass poster but yea, I have my doubts after seeing Prometheus. Was more looking forward to Neill Blomkamps Alien movie.
I'm glad the guy hasn't been too affected by his actual career. I thought District 9 was a pretty good movie, but nothing amazing. Chappie was awful and I heard Elysium was pretty bad too. Guy's record isn't very good but people still seem to love him. Glad on him.
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That's a bad-ass poster but yea, I have my doubts after seeing Prometheus. Was more looking forward to Neill Blomkamps Alien movie.
I'm glad the guy hasn't been too affected by his actual career. I thought District 9 was a pretty good movie, but nothing amazing. Chappie was awful and I heard Elysium was pretty bad too. Guy's record isn't very good but people still seem to love him. Glad on him.
Yea his track record isn't that great, I really enjoyed District 9 and Elysium though but for the Alien project it was more him talking about it with such passion and seeing the concept art that made me interested in it and also the rumour of him bringing Ripley back.
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Really cool poster. And I seem to be one of the few people who liked Prometheus, so I'm excited.
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I liked Prometheus. I didn't understand a lot of it the first time, or the second, but it made more sense after reading some online analysis and discussions. I liked the aesthetic and just the "look and feel" of the movie, but I'm a sucker for most science fiction if they clearly take it seriously. It can't just be a story set in the future, I want actual science fiction, where the stuff we don't know yet or haven't invented yet plays a part in the story. Prometheus actually blurred the lines for me, which is good. I couldn't follow a lot of what was going on, but wasn't sure if that was just me, the director, or if I wasn't really supposed to understand it until later when something else happened and it all made sense. That never really happened, but I was still okay with it, because I'm such a sucker for science fiction.
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I did love Prometheus. The look and feel and music and rising dread were all great.
The script was lousy though.
Shaw & The scottish woman carried the alien head back to prometheus then they asked David to lift the helmet off the head as " it's too heavy ".
So many silly little errors like that.
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Re: poster. Sinister and evil looking alien, more like the original. Me like.
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www.polygon.com/2016/12/23/14071074/alien-covenant-photos-clues
Director Ridley Scott previously said that Covenant would indirectly tie into the the 1979 film, and would answer important questions about the alien, like who made it and where it came from.
Interesting, since I haven't been following that closely do he mean this is set in the 70s or just that it ties with that movie?
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Not sure how a film set many decades from now would be set in the 1970s.
He meant that part 3 of the new trilogy would set up the beginning of the 1979 Alien movie.
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After prometheus, I am approaching with cautious optimism.
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Trailer tomorrow !
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Trailer tomorrow !
Holy cow! Trailer is intense!
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Looks very Alien, though man is that trailer a bit heavy on the spoiler side of things.
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Looks very Alien, though man is that trailer a bit heavy on the spoiler side of things.
I was thinking the same thing. Really revealing a bit there. I'm curious as to if that means there's much more to be seen or if they just want us to know this one is going to be as suspenseful and chilling as ALIEN?
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Looks very Alien, though man is that trailer a bit heavy on the spoiler side of things.
This is why I never watch trailers.
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Not watching the trailer, but just the fact that there is one is making me pumped for this movie!
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I'm hoping that at least some of the trailer (the spoilery parts) is a bit of a misdirect. Mostly because I really love Billy Crudup as an actor, and I would hate it if his role was a throwaway or they literally gave away his fate already.
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That looked pretty cool, i'm a bit more excited now. :tup
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This new generation of spoilerish trailers can fuck right off. It wasn't Terminator Genisys level of spoilers, but still. I was too excited not to check out a first trailer, but I am holding off on watching more.
But anyway. It definitely looks like a step in the right direction.
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Yeah it did look a bit too spoilery. Not giving away which character (for those who didn't see the trailer), but I feel like it's a big mistake to show an egg opening and the facehugger flying towards someone's face because in this franchise, that's 99% guaranteed death sentence. Who knows, maybe there is a last minute "block" (like in Aliens) or they have medical equipment on board to get it off, but yeah.. showing that sequence is more spoilery than showing the actual alien moving around IMO.
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It's so weird because with Prometheus - Ridley said he was "done" with Xenomorphs and facehuggers. He said he was sick of them...
Also he said he was embarrassed by the surgery scene in Prometheus and thought it was too graphic.
Now he's done a total 180 and says there's scenes in Alien Covenant which make Prometheus' surgery scene look tame and it's full of Xenos, Facehuggers and Chestbursters and new aliens..
Wonder if he read Blomkamp's script and thought "Ah Fuck it". Or if he just wanted to make a GOOD Alien film while he's still around...
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I gotta say, I still find it fascinating that characters stick their head down towards the mysterious alien egg that just opened up. Sure, you don't know what to expect, but wouldn't you rather take the safe approach and step back a bit? Because even if the characters stepped back a few steps, we know that the facehugger can leap quite the distance any way, and I feel like the "facehugger attaching itself"-scene (which is obligatory in any alien movie) would be more effective if the character who got it was a few steps away, rather than adding that dumb element of "duh what is in this egg?" and them going overly close to investigate. :lol
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I just hope that this one is comprehensible
After seeing prometheus twice, I literally had NO clue why anything was happening. Its like the rules of the game were changing every couple mins and I couldn't follow any of it.
And even after reading a bunch of extra stuff and watching explanation videos, I still don't really get it. I truly hate Prometheus.
I am very happy that lindelof has nothing to do with Covenant.
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That trailer definitely hardens back to the spirit and atmosphere of the original. Psyched!
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That looks fucking awesome! Definitely excited for this one.
I'll echo that it does show a little more than what I'd normally like, but I feel like calling it "spoilers" is a bit dramatic. I thought it was a good trailer, there's definitely loads and loads that have done way worse.
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That looks fucking awesome! Definitely excited for this one.
I'll echo that it does show a little more than what I'd normally like, but I feel like calling it "spoilers" is a bit dramatic. I thought it was a good trailer, there's definitely loads and loads that have done way worse.
Like the trailer for Terminator 5 giving away that John Connor was a Terminator.
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In general I like James Franco, but he seems like he would be out of place in an Alien film. I will give him the benefit of the doubt though.
Also, that full bodied david that we are seeing, I think is just a different model and that we will probably see the head of prometheus david later in the film
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That looks fucking awesome! Definitely excited for this one.
I'll echo that it does show a little more than what I'd normally like, but I feel like calling it "spoilers" is a bit dramatic. I thought it was a good trailer, there's definitely loads and loads that have done way worse.
Oh yes, definitely. However, I don't give things a pass just because others did it worse.
Maybe it's because I'm a big fan of the actor in question. Maybe if it was a random unknown then it wouldn't bother me as much. It's also an Alien film, and pretty obvious that 90% of the cast, at least, will die. I dunno, just didn't feel right to me, despite all that.
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I don't know about others but I'd pay to see Franco die.
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In general I like James Franco, but he seems like he would be out of place in an Alien film. I will give him the benefit of the doubt though.
It's weird that 2/3 of the leads of Pineapple Express is in this movie.
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That looks fucking awesome! Definitely excited for this one.
I'll echo that it does show a little more than what I'd normally like, but I feel like calling it "spoilers" is a bit dramatic. I thought it was a good trailer, there's definitely loads and loads that have done way worse.
Oh yes, definitely. However, I don't give things a pass just because others did it worse.
Maybe it's because I'm a big fan of the actor in question. Maybe if it was a random unknown then it wouldn't bother me as much. It's also an Alien film, and pretty obvious that 90% of the cast, at least, will die. I dunno, just didn't feel right to me, despite all that.
True enough! Definitely not downplaying that it could've been a much better trailer with more caution.
Also holy shit
In general I like James Franco, but he seems like he would be out of place in an Alien film. I will give him the benefit of the doubt though.
It's weird that 2/3 of the leads of Pineapple Express is in this movie.
:rollin :rollin Didn't even realize this. That's awesome.
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I really liked Prometheus, so I'm excited for this. I hope that it's good (won't watch the trailer if it has everyone screaming spoiler), but the poster looks awesome, so that has me excited.
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I loved Prometheus. It just got old quickly though.
Visually it was incredible. The Martian was better I think as it was based on a novel...
If Alien Covenant is at least as good visually as Prometheus - explains some of the questions AND has a decent script - Job Done :tup
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Prometheus wasn't a bad movie. It just had some pacing and scripting issues, but overall enjoyable and atmospheric.
There just can't be enough Alien movies.
My personal low point was 3, while, I guess, most folks would put 4 in that place. I still consider A1 one of the most suspensful movies ever made.
I remember seeing the posters in the streets of my town as a 9 year old kid and being totally fascinated, without even thinking of having a chance to see the movie. Seeing it a few years later, it still scared the the living daylights out of me (9/10).
A2 was a relentless action inferno (8/10). A3 a letdown (5/10). A4 an improvement (6/10).
Prometheus (7/10).
Anyway if A:C is at least as good (but I have the feeling, I'm going to like it more) as Prometheus, I'll be satisfied.
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My main gripes with Alien Res were almost every single character was just pure machismo.
Everyone said FUCK like it was going out of fashion and set pieces were just to look COOL
instead of any actual drama.
And it was too brightly lit.
4/10
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Prometheus wasn't a bad movie. It just had some pacing and scripting issues, but overall enjoyable and atmospheric.
There just can't be enough Alien movies.
My personal low point was 3, while, I guess, most folks would put 4 in that place. I still consider A1 one of the most suspensful movies ever made.
I remember seeing the posters in the streets of my town as a 9 year old kid and being totally fascinated, without even thinking of having a chance to see the movie. Seeing it a few years later, it still scared the the living daylights out of me (9/10).
A2 was a relentless action inferno (8/10). A3 a letdown (5/10). A4 an improvement (6/10).
Prometheus (7/10).
Anyway if A:C is at least as good (but I have the feeling, I'm going to like it more) as Prometheus, I'll be satisfied.
If you are grading Alien 3 of the theatrical cut then i'd highly recommend seeking out the directors cut (or assembly cut as it's called). It completely changes the film as well as adding 30 minutes, it changes a lot of scenes. It's a much, much better film.
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30 minutes is a quite a lot. Worth a try. Thanks for the recommendation.
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prologue for covenant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkXgRlRao5I
wow, they made Franco the captain of the ship. Whatever I guess. Cool little feature, and cute little fake out with the choking.
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Don't you DARE underestimate Franco's captaining abilities.
HE IS A SAINT.
But yeah that's funny. I'm excited to see how Franco and...that douchebag from Eastbound will either screw it up or make it so much better. I actually like Franco a good bit. But I really don't like what's-his-face at all. Ever. So I'm sure I'll enjoy his death scene very, very much.
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Cool. I wondered about the meaning of "Covenant" in the title. Makes sense now.
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I don't know if it's just me or not, but the trailer and this prologue have done absolutely nothing to get me excited about this movie. Like, at all. Say what you want about Prometheus, but man that trailer was fantastic. This... just tells me it's going to be another Alien movie which, I guess, is a thing that is happening.
I'll still see the movie because I'm a shill and I make poor decisions, but I'm not currently looking forward to it!
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Regarding the idea to have Danny McBride/James Franco in a movie like this, I would argue that it kinda makes sense. Franco seems to play more of a straight role and McBride is more the comic relief (at least judging from what we've seen so far), and while comedy in a horror film might be weird for some people, I would argue that it makes me believe in the characters more. Because every group of people has that goofball who cracks jokes and lightens up the atmosphere. So it makes sense that someone on the ship is like that. I think people are stretching too far from a character making some jokes and McBride/Franco smoking it up and going "ooooh there's an alien" and being all high.
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The "natural" acting seemed so fake and awkward.
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^^^ yeah, I felt that way too.
Its like they were trying to replicate the actual natural chemistry on the nostromo in alien 1 and didn't quite get there.
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The "natural" acting seemed so fake and awkward.
You nailed it. Hopefully the creature effects are good at least.
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Regarding the idea to have Danny McBride/James Franco in a movie like this, I would argue that it kinda makes sense. Franco seems to play more of a straight role and McBride is more the comic relief (at least judging from what we've seen so far), and while comedy in a horror film might be weird for some people, I would argue that it makes me believe in the characters more. Because every group of people has that goofball who cracks jokes and lightens up the atmosphere. So it makes sense that someone on the ship is like that. I think people are stretching too far from a character making some jokes and McBride/Franco smoking it up and going "ooooh there's an alien" and being all high.
McBride has said that he's never had a role like this before....that it's not just a straight 'comic relief' role. As the clip shows, he still has that humorous feel but from his account this role is nothing like he's had before.
As far as Franco....I'm going to trust that Ridley Scott has cast these people very intentionally. The one actress has a very 'Ripley' feel....and the whole tone of that scene has a very ALIEN feel to it.
I actually liked the clip and am pretty excited for the movie....I think it's going to be good.
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Pretty cool poster.
(https://i.redd.it/y8fdnq4luliy.jpg)
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Definitely. Such an iconic image.....I can't imagine if ever get to close to anything that looked like that in real life :lol
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New Trailer!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svnAD0TApb8
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That trailer is sick :metal I'm really looking forward to this movie
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That really felt like a "Here's the entire movie" trailer.
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Yeah. I shouldn't've watched that. Super spoilerific.
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I'm actually less interested in the movie now. I basically know it beat by beat now and the fact that (maybe spoilers) the aliens look largely CGI doesn't inspire me much.
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I think it was trying to be a more "Hey it's not going to be another Prometheus" type of trailer
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Definitely a showcase but I don't think it's too spoiler-y (I mean, given that all of us are talking out our ass since no one has seen it and all); but the general feel was that there is probably more twists and more expansion of what we saw. So yeah, showcase-y, but I'll be surprised if that was all the action and turns.
Either way I myself am pretty darn excited for this. If anything, I'll enjoy the experience as I did Prometheus and forget about it, but I have small hopes that it'll be at least half (or a quarter...maybe?) as impactful as the first few Alien films. Okay, not as impactful but maybe set up something more and have the same general feel.
Ah fuck it, the glory days are over. MAYBE IT WON'T SUCK A DICK. :metal :corn
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That really felt like a "Here's the entire movie" trailer.
Agreed. That trend in trailer design is getting old. A modern day trailer for Empire would probably be a black screen with breathing and the first thing we here is "no, I am your father"
But besides that, I didn't see any black goo at all, so that that's definitely a good sign. This looks like a proper alien movie, but of course I will proceed with cautious optimism.
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Considering what you guys say I probably will stay away from that trailer either way. Man would I love if they would release a trailer showing only one scene like maybe 10 secs or something and then nothing at all. You have to see the movie or read reviews to know anything more about the movie. I just feel that keeping the mystery is important for a movie like Alien and more exciting if it turns out to be great.
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Decent trailer. Will hopefully be at least better than Alien3 and Regurgitation...
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I just feel that keeping the mystery is important for a movie like Alien and more exciting if it turns out to be great.
Exactly. The original Alien was much more a suspense/horror movie than a sci-fi or action movie. I still prefer a little more mindfuck and a little less generic action with my sci-fi. Hopefully there'll be at least one good twist that comes out of nowhere (but still works and is believable).
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After Prometheus - Ridley said he was a bit embarrassed at the surgery scene and thought maybe it was a bit much...
...now he's saying that there's a scene in Covenant which is way worse :lol
I wonder if he just thought " Ah fuck it - there's not been a truly great Alien movie in decades - let's just go all out. "
Because before Prometheus - he was saying no more Xenomorphs because he's tired of them.
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I just feel that keeping the mystery is important for a movie like Alien and more exciting if it turns out to be great.
Exactly. The original Alien was much more a suspense/horror movie than a sci-fi or action movie. I still prefer a little more mindfuck and a little less generic action with my sci-fi. Hopefully there'll be at least one good twist that comes out of nowhere (but still works and is believable).
Yep. ALIEN was the definition of 'suspense thriller'. Such a good mix and great movie. I am optimistic that Covenant is going to be good. I don't think they'd have revealed anything in the trailer to spoil the whole movie. We shall see.
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That really felt like a "Here's the entire movie" trailer.
Agreed. That trend in trailer design is getting old.
I don't really get what you guys are talking about at all. Anyway...
So, wait, I'm not getting from the trailer that there is any connection whatsoever with the end of Prometheus. I thought this one was supposed to pick up right where Prometheus left off? Maybe they intentionally left that obscured. Excited that this is finally almost here!
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So, wait, I'm not getting from the trailer that there is any connection whatsoever with the end of Prometheus. I thought this one was supposed to pick up right where Prometheus left off? Maybe they intentionally left that obscured. Excited that this is finally almost here!
Pretty sure I saw the crescent-shaped engineer's ship in one of the shots.
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Well, yes, but is it the same one? And if so, what is it doing there? They were supposed to be off to the Engineers' home world.
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Well, yes, but is it the same one? And if so, what is it doing there? They were supposed to be off to the Engineers' home world.
One theory I read, which is only based off the trailer and thus may be completely false (likely) is that the chick and the head from Prometheus arrived at an engineer planet and rained down death and destruction on them, hence all the dead bodies. There's also a shot of what people think is chick lady from prometheus in the trailer looking all crazy.
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It's been confirmed that Elizabeth Shaw is in Alien Covenant but it may only be a recording.. Guess we'll find out.
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Oddly enough, I think what upset me most was that so much of the Xenomorph scenes were cgi.
The practical aliens from Alien were just so god damn terrifying, in part because they were really there.
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I'm ok if it's for shots that you couldn't do with a guy in a suit.
I know Ridley does as much in camera as he can.
Meanwhile, Noomi Rapace reprises her role as Dr. Elizabeth Shaw, the archaeologist who was formerly a crew member of the destroyed Prometheus,[14] and Guy Pearce reprises his role as Peter Weyland, the billionaire founder and CEO of Weyland Corporation who died before the destruction of the Prometheus.[15]
So yeah - it may only be recordings of them...
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How do you get that it is "only recordings" of her from that?
I'm not saying you are wrong. I just don't know how you could get it from that snippet.
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How do you get that it is "only recordings" of her from that?
I'm not saying you are wrong. I just don't know how you could get it from that snippet.
He forgot to include what those footnotes are. Here you go.
[14] Only in recordings.
[15] ONLY IN GOD DAMN RECORDINGS!
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Ah, that helps. Still a bit of a stretch though if you ask me.
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How do you get that it is "only recordings" of her from that?
I'm not saying you are wrong. I just don't know how you could get it from that snippet.
Well Guy Pearce is playing Weyland again and he died in Prometheus so I assume it's either flashbacks or recordings for him at least...
I'm just guessing.
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I'm guessing they never made it to the Engineers' home world. Maybe David discovered their cargo and didn't want it to be unleashed on the Engineers, so he sabotaged the ship and caused it to land/crash on this world. Of course, that doesn't explain why the world is terraformed. Maybe, if my above scenario is correct, he caused the ship to malfunction close to a world he had located that had already been terraformed by the Engineers and was like, "The ship is malfunctioning and I can't fix it. But look--luckily, we are close to a world you can survive on. Let's go there until I can fix the ship." Or maybe it was just a random planet that wasn't Terraformed, but the Engineers had a terraforming apparatus onboard, and David learned to use it and get the process going. Seems like there probably isn't enough passage of time for the latter, but whatever. Just trying to come up with plausible theories.
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I think it's meant to be the engineer's homeworld ?
I just hope it clears up some stuff from Prometheus.
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Okay, found some stuff from someone who visited on location and talked with Scott and others. Mildly spoilerish below (just about where they are--sort of).
Apparently, it definitely is an "Engineer world," although it was not clear if it is THE Engineer home world. And it seems that all the Engineers there are dead, although it is not clear what killed them. Likewise, not clear if they died prior to Shaw and David's arrival or if, as was speculated by the guy Adami mentioned, Shaw and David basically launched an attack (presumably with their cargo).
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Oh, and
...there will apparently be LOTS of creatures. "Lots of" meaning variety, not just numbers. And that will apparently include deacons as well as xenomorphs. And deacons are apparently a completely different variety of alien from the xenomorph, and not simply an ancestor. Not sure how I feel about them appearing in the movie.
But whatever. I'll judge it after I've seen it. I reasonably enjoyed Prometheus. I expect to reasonably enjoy this one as well.
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The Deacon was the creature at the very end of Prometheus which birthed from the dead engineer.
It's out there that there's a new NeoMorph - but we haven't seen it yet.
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The Deacon was the creature at the very end of Prometheus which birthed from the dead engineer.
Exactly. Again, not sure how I feel about seeing it again. We'll see.
It's out there that there's a new NeoMorph - but we haven't seen it yet.
Right.
Not clear whether it is the result of a facehugger or the squiddy thing from Prometheus impregnating something other than a human, or if it is the result of David's experiments.
I hesitate to hunt for anymore information. While I don't feel like what I know spoils anything major, much more probably will.
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This is just a guess so no need for spoiler tags - it's in the trailer...
We see a guys spine looking like it's protruding from his body...
What if the NeoMorph doesn't exit your body - but instead becomes your body..As in your whole body just becomes the NeoMorph??
Kinda like in American Werewolf in London. You physically change into one.
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Huh. Maybe. I assumed it was just a case of something bigger than a chestburster trying to burst out that completely wrecked his body in the process. And I kinda feel like that's more horrifying and more in keep with the lore than transforming into something. ...But then again, zombie dude in Prometheus was transformed, so I could be wrong.
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This is just a guess so no need for spoiler tags - it's in the trailer...
We see a guys spine looking like it's protruding from his body...
What if the NeoMorph doesn't exit your body - but instead becomes your body..As in your whole body just becomes the NeoMorph??
Kinda like in American Werewolf in London. You physically change into one.
It's referred to as a "backburster" so . . .
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So Fassbender's name in Covenant is Walter.
Interesting that they broke with tradition.
Ash
Bishop
Call
David
Walter
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Yeah, I was kinda looking forward to seeing what "E" name they'd go with. Also, why isn't he still David? Or is it actually a different character?
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Fasbender plays Walter AND David in Covenant. Two different characters (or, more accurately, two different "models").
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Ah. Thanks!
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The little bit that has been released is that, in the fictional Alien universe, people reacted very strongly against the David 8.0 model seeming "too human," so Weyland/Yutani created the Walter model to scale back on the human traits (but not appearance) to make him more..."robotic."
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There's many subtle 8's in the Meet Walter vignette.
It's also the 8th film in the "Alien" Universe.
i. Alien
ii. Aliens
iii. Alien3
iv. Alien Resurrection
v. Alien V Predator
vi. Alien V Predator : Requiem
vii. Prometheus
viii. Covenant
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Pretty sure that Ridley Scott doesn't count those Predator movies. He loathes them.
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That's like Lars saying Hardwired is their sixth album because he doesn't like Load Reload or St Anger..
They still exist. Covenant Is the 8th Alien Universe movie.
You don't have to acknowledge them. Mainly because Prometheus & Covenant are prequels.
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I wonder if fassbender got two separate paychecks for playing two different roles $$$
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That's like Lars saying Hardwired is their sixth album because he doesn't like Load Reload or St Anger..
They still exist. Covenant Is the 8th Alien Universe movie.
You don't have to acknowledge them. Mainly because Prometheus & Covenant are prequels.
It's nothing like that. Lars is in the band, and the band made those albums, whether he likes them or not.
The original Alien was by Ridley Scott, and he considers himself the "owner" (for lack of a better word) of the franchise. But he had absolutely nothing to do with the AvP movies. They were made without his input and without his permission (not that they needed it, since the studio actually owns the franchise).
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Fine it would be like Mustaine pretending those albums don't exist :p
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It just occurred to me that Ridley scott is about to turn 80 and is still bringing interesting films to the table. When I look at him, I think like late 60's. Damn
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It just occurred to me that Ridley scott is about to turn 80 and is still bringing interesting films to the table. When I look at him, I think like late 60's. Damn
I hope he finishes his Alien films before he leaves us.
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It just occurred to me that Ridley scott is about to turn 80 and is still bringing interesting films to the table. When I look at him, I think like late 60's. Damn
I hope he finishes his Alien films before he leaves us.
Or that he's at least discussed in detail the 'master plan' with a competent director/writer.
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The headline is a bit deceiving and implies more than what is actually said, but still some interesting info that Ridley Scott revealed.
https://www.alien-covenant.com/news/ridley-scott-reveals-title-the-next-alien-film-after-alien-covenant
So it seems like (but I think is still open to debate, because Scott's comments, to me, are pretty vague) the next movie will take place, timeline-wise, between Prometheus and Covenant. And if that is the case, speculation is that it will feature Shaw's and David's journey and assumed conflict. But we don't really know that. Still interesting either way. And there is a "Yo Dawg" meme in the fan comments that is actually funny. :lol
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So it's a prequel sequel prequel ?!?!
:dangerwillrobinson:
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So it's a prequel sequel prequel ?!?!
:dangerwillrobinson:
Yeah, this. I is confuse...
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5 sequels to Prometheus ?
God I Hope not.
I hope it's Covenant and two more.
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He must have been hanging out with JC and caught a case of sequelitis
5 avatar sequels, 5 prometheus sequels :lol
can we just focus on making one great movie at a time please
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He must have been hanging out with JC and caught a case of sequelitis
5 avatar sequels, 5 prometheus sequels :lol
can we just focus on making one great movie at a time please
Why? Quality and quantity are not mutually exclusive. And if the plan is to do more than one anyway, the best way to ensure quality and not painting oneself into plot holes, is to have a big, overarching plan for the whole thing from the beginning instead of making it up as he goes. If the options are (A) focus on making one great movie, or (B) focus on making five great movies, I'll take (B).
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If the next one takes place between Prometheus and Covenant then I think it's an InBetweenquel :)
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He must have been hanging out with JC and caught a case of sequelitis
5 avatar sequels, 5 prometheus sequels :lol
can we just focus on making one great movie at a time please
Why? Quality and quantity are not mutually exclusive. And if the plan is to do more than one anyway, the best way to ensure quality and not painting oneself into plot holes, is to have a big, overarching plan for the whole thing from the beginning instead of making it up as he goes. If the options are (A) focus on making one great movie, or (B) focus on making five great movies, I'll take (B).
Right. It's like :
" oh great - FIVE Avatar sequels.... ::) "
" Are you going to see them ? "
" fuck no ! "
" Then why do you care ? "
Jim Cameron could have crapped out an Avatar sequel in 2012 for easy bucks but he's taking his time to work on the scripts and the technology to get it right.
He wrote the first one after titanic in 1998 but waited tll around 2006 when the technology had improved to where he could do it how he wanted.
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It's been mentioned already, but Scott is 80. I hope he's detailed the grand scheme of things to some close capable confidants.
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It's been mentioned already, but Scott is 80. I hope he's detailed the grand scheme of things to some close capable confidants.
I wouldn't worry. The real Ridley Scott actually died BEFORE the first Alien film in '79. The Ridley Scott we know is an android. Why do you think he has had androids front and center in EVERY SINGLE Alien film? Duh!
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It's been mentioned already, but Scott is 80. I hope he's detailed the grand scheme of things to some close capable confidants.
If Ridley doesn't make them - I would choose Denis Villeneuve or James Cameron but JC wouldn't do 5 Alien sequels after making everyone's favourite Alien sequel ever plus he's busy.
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(https://i.redd.it/kk9e6ddko5ny.jpg)
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Even though the trailers have done nothing for me, god damn do they know how to make stunning posters.
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Uhh yeah that's fucking incredible. Giger was a genius.
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Now that's a poster I can get behind
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Now that's a poster I can get behind
That'd be awesome just to have like a wall carved out with that on it in your home....maybe in a home theater setting. So cool, reminds me of that wall in 'Devils Advocate' that Al Pacino had in his Penthouse.
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Two months to go.
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Been thinking about a theory that is out there and doing a bit of theorizing on the subject myself concerning "who created the xenomorphs." Since this is mostly just fan speculation, it may not need a "spoiler" tag. But there have been a few reveals from Scott that are built into the argument, so...
*********SPOILER ALERT*************
So, although Scott's exact words on the subject are a bit cryptic and hard to follow, he seemed to say that, contrary to what almost everyone thought after Prometheus, the Engineers did NOT create the xenomorphs, but we will learn who/what did. Without getting into the specifics of how, the theory among most is that David created them. This seems to be supported by the clips, interviews, and other information drops that have happened so far. Newer info has most people that I have seen comment on the subject further speculating that Shaw is dead and that David's actions in killing the Engineers, experimenting and creating the xenos, and likely killing Shaw. This also seems to be supported. ...or maybe not. Perhaps the info that has been released so far hasn't actually gone so far and revealed a bit too much after all, but was instead carefully crafted to lead us astray. So let me propose a slight variation.
Here's what I think happened: Shaw was behind or involved in it all and David didn't necessarily "rebel" at all. Why do I think that? At the end of Prometheus, she finally understands that the Engineers are out to destroy humanity, and she wants to stop them at all costs. That's her motivation. That's her goal. She manages to convince Janek of this, which is why he rams the Engineer ship and causes it to crash. She then takes off to the Engineer world (or at least, one of them). What was she going to go there to do? To stop them, of course. How would she do it? She would need a weapon. And she and David had a ship full of the ingredients to build such a weapon. We know this. And we know, from the clip screening of Covenant, that David does indeed unleash something and kill the Engineers on "Paradise." To me, it seems obvious that Shaw was thus behind and involved with the xenocide of the Engineers and the creation of the xenomorphs, even if David may have done a lot of the scientific dirty work for her. Now, I'm not sure that ultimately changes much. But it's just interesting to me that folks all around the Internet seem almost unanimous in their assumption that David rebelled and created this evil and likely experimented on and killed poor ole' Shaw in the process. I think that's too simplistic and that we are going to get a surprise variation on all that, such as her perhaps voluntarily giving herself up for experimentation, or her being alive and pulling David's strings, or something else. We'll know soon enough, but just wanted to throw this out there.
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Certainly a plausible theory and one I could get behind and like. She has to know her life is basically over so make good use of it and stop them at all costs. Can't wait to see.
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Thoughts on the crew transmission videos? https://www.cnet.com/news/ads-voice-assistants-amazon-alexa-google-home-burger-king/
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Thoughts on the crew transmission videos? https://www.cnet.com/news/ads-voice-assistants-amazon-alexa-google-home-burger-king/
That can't be the correct link? Ha ha
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Yeah, not sure what was up with that. But they are out there. Here's a link for a new TV spot: https://www.blastr.com/2017-4-24-alien-covenant-ridley-scott-tv-spot It reveals a bit more that could be considered spoilerish. If you've been following along with the stuff that is widely out there already, then the scenes that are expanded upon aren't completely "new." But, for example, there is a scene of David doing something that was hinted at before and shown in a still image, but now we get to actually see it, if only for a fraction of a second. But I won't say more without a spoiler tag...
*******************MILD POTENTIAL SPOILERS BELOW******************
-Spore release/ear canal invasion scene: Looks like they beefed up the CGI a bit more on this scene from what was revealed in earlier trailers. Not strictly necessary, but certainly does enhance the visual effect and creepiness.
-Black goo bombing and Engineers fleeing at :20-:21: I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I would prefer that this had not been revealed yet. It would have been better to learn the fate of the Engineers for the first time while seeing the movie. On the other hand, it looks FRIGGIN' COOL! And it has me super excited. And it does give us something to talk about. That shot obviously emphasizes David. Shaw is nowhere to be seen. But she has to be behind the attack. She just has to be. I'm willing to bet she is in that scene, but that it is edited to leave her completely out so that we don't know she is there.
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That is one cool ass images. I can't wait to see that scene :metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5gxApaRczQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMVrnYNwus ***
More sneaky peeks.
It looks like a fair bit of Prometheus will be featured / explained in Alien : Covenant.
*** Some of those shots.... Ridley knows how to compose a scene. If this movie sucks - at least - like Prometheus - It will be visually stunning.
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^^^ That is so cool. The release date can't come fast enough
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Wow, that second one is cool. Pretty spoilerific, and VERY strongly hints at the correctness of what I hypothesized in my earlier posts.
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^^^ That is so cool. The release date can't come fast enough
Yep. Its hard not to believe this movie is going to be awesome.
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I think I want one of these: https://www.cnet.com/news/alien-covenant-toys-funko-facehugger-xenomorph/
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i'd accept any hug at all
:emo:
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Ridley Scott has said that Blomkamp's Alien 5 will never happen.
It never even got to the script stage and that FOX have no intention of making it.
Only one week to go til Covenant is out ! Getting excited ! :D
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Ridley Scott has said that Blomkamp's Alien 5 will never happen.
It never even got to the script stage and that FOX have no intention of making it.
Yeah I read that, bummer. That 'universe' went off course with Alien 3 and never recovered IMO....but that whole subject has been covered a ton here.
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That 'universe' went off course with Alien 3 and never recovered IMO....
Yeah. Bummer, too, because every single one of those films had some great ideas, IMO. They just kinda got goofy and went too far in various directions that didn't really serve the original.
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I agree with whoever said that Each Alien sequel was just the first film again but by a different director.
Kinda true.
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That 'universe' went off course with Alien 3 and never recovered IMO....
Yeah. Bummer, too, because every single one of those films had some great ideas, IMO. They just kinda got goofy and went too far in various directions that didn't really serve the original.
It would have been nice to see a more thought out game plan ala what Scott is currently doing.
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I really hope that Covenant is the first of 3 and not FIVE.
There are xenomorphs in Covenant and some doughnut ships lying about. .
Why would you need 4 more films to explain that a xeno got on a doughnut ship
and it crashed on LV 426 ??
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I really hope that Covenant is the first of 3 and not FIVE.
There are xenomorphs in Covenant and some doughnut ships lying about. .
Why would you need 4 more films to explain that a xeno got on a doughnut ship
and it crashed on LV 426 ??
Peter Jackson is producer of the films.
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Bought my ticket today. I'm going Sunday and I have to drive my bike so I hope it's a nice day.
VIP seating :coolio Biggest screen in the multiplex.
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I'm struggling to get excited for this. I love the first 3 Alien movies, but they were 25+ years ago and everything 'Alien' since has been awful. I haven't watched Prometheus since the cinema and it was terrible, and I feel I should re watch it before Covenant isn't helping my motivation. I'm also not really a fan of Ridley Scott - Alien, Gladiator and The Martian are about the only films of his I enjoy. (I've have been more on board if it was Fincher or Cameron)
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I'm in the same boat. Love the first three Alien movies but didn't care for anything up too Prometheus. Was excited for that movie but it was pretty bad mostly because of terribly written characters.
I really wan't this new movie to be great but I have my doubts.
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"Four meters above you..." :eek
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MAY AS WELL...
1. Alien. Will never be beaten
2. Aliens. Nearly as good but less suspense and more action.
3. Prometheus. YEAH I SAID IT. In my view the best Alien sequel after the first two. Bad script and character motivation but everything else is win.
4. Alien3. Not bad but Not Good. The mattes look really bad now and it's overall quite dull. I don't blame Fincher though. First time director with heavy studio interference.
5. Alien V Predator. I hate Resurrection and this one edge it out just for being way less cheesy and macho.
6. Alien Resurrection. Hate it. Way too nineties and Hollywood and Macho. Dialogue is :facepalm:
I expect Covenant to be at least as good as Prometheus with a better script - or it will be better all around. :)
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Yeah, I agree with that, actually. Except maybe "Way too nineties and Hollywood and Macho." I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that in this context. But then again, it's been a long time since I've seen it (saw it once, and never again--don't intend to see it again either). But the ONE cool thing it had going for it was the way in which the aliens broke out of "alien jail." That was awesome and chilling.
You didn't list Requiem. Did you forget, or did you not see it? I would definitely put it in the bottom 3, but I'm not sure where. I think I saw AvP twice, but it's been awhile. I only saw Requiem once. It similarly had some really cool moments ("Why do grown-ups tell you there are not monsters?" [nice call-back to Newt's similar statement to Ripley in Aliens]; Alien jumps through the window and attacks Tim; swimming pool scene). And just the thought of Aliens getting loose on present-day earth...this is the nightmare we all dreaded from the moment we first saw Alien. But by the same token, that made all this movie's low, LOW points even more disappointing.
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Not seen AVP:R and i've no intention of seeing it :)
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Why not? Just because you heard it's bad, or some other reasons? I would agree that it is bad. But it has enough really cool scenes that I think it is worth it to see it once. Now if there are other reasons, such as having heard about the maternity ward scene and not wanting to have to actually see it, I get that. Just curious.
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Yeah, I agree with that, actually. Except maybe "Way too nineties and Hollywood and Macho." I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that in this context.
Too brightly lit. Every character is a testosterone filled 'bad-ass' who swears in every sentence. Even Winona Ryder. It's just awful. And so far removed from Ridley's slow burning masterpiece.
And yeah - AVP:R - heard it's awful from pretty much everyone.
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Oddly enough AVP:R is a slight improvement over AVP. Still pretty awful, though.
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Depends on how you look at it. AVP was pretty consistently subpar throughout. AVP:R's highs were a lot higher, but its lows were a lot lower too.
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Also interesting about the Androids :
( not sure If I said this already )
1. Ash
2. Bishop
3. Call
4. David
5. E.....err. Walter.
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AVP was disappointing with it's PG-13 rating, stupid characters, and the Predators looked like shit being so bulky.
AVP:R was disappointing because the acting was bad, and whatever cool scenes there were you couldn't see anyway because it was so dark. I remember liking it better than the first one though.
And yeah, Resurrection is dumb.
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
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Depends on how you look at it. AVP was pretty consistently subpar throughout. AVP:R's highs were a lot higher, but its lows were a lot lower too.
Ha ha, yeah.
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Near all the reviews I've seen are positive...saying this movie is a return to the pulse of the original ALIEN. That makes me even more excited!! May 19th can't come soon enough...
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Near all the reviews I've seen are positive...saying this movie is a return to the pulse of the original ALIEN. That makes me even more excited!! May 19th can't come soon enough...
May 12 in the UK.
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Near all the reviews I've seen are positive...saying this movie is a return to the pulse of the original ALIEN. That makes me even more excited!! May 19th can't come soon enough...
:tup
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My wife just approached me to say that she and her friends were planning a night out on May 19th. I told her that wouldn't work...they i had to go watch a movie. :biggrin:
She looked at me with a blank stare and said "Seriously?" To which I replied "yep"....and then she just kind of looked at me some more but then I relented and said fine....but I'm going to my movie during the day on Saturday.
Now that I think about it....I may take a half day that Friday to go watch instead.
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I'll wait for reviews. The posters (mostly) are insanely amazing, but no trailer has gotten my attention.
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I'll go in with an open mind.
I'm hoping that it's less pretentious and muddled than Prometheus.
And that it looks amazing.
Anything else is icing.
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Same here. I didn't understand most of Prometheus the first time, but it all looked pretty cool and most of it seemed pretty deep, or at least interesting. After reading about it online, I understand more of it, though not all, but I don't really care. If Covenant makes more sense and is at least nearly as good, that's about all I'm hoping for.
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MAY AS WELL...
1. Alien. Will never be beaten
2. Aliens. Nearly as good but less suspense and more action.
3. Prometheus. YEAH I SAID IT. In my view the best Alien sequel after the first two. Bad script and character motivation but everything else is win.
4. Alien3. Not bad but Not Good. The mattes look really bad now and it's overall quite dull. I don't blame Fincher though. First time director with heavy studio interference.
5. Alien V Predator. I hate Resurrection and this one edge it out just for being way less cheesy and macho.
6. Alien Resurrection. Hate it. Way too nineties and Hollywood and Macho. Dialogue is :facepalm:
I expect Covenant to be at least as good as Prometheus with a better script - or it will be better all around. :)
1. Aliens - People forget it takes roughly an hour before we even see the Aliens, there is a lot of build up and character development - which makes the action in the second half more enjoyable. All in all one of the best films ever made.
2. Alien3 - There is a brilliant film to be found in here, however it's quite messy. The 'Assemble Cut' released in 2003 helps smooth out the film a lot. I actually think it's one of the most underrated movies of all time, there are some really great characters in the film and some really dark moments.
3. Alien - The premise is basic, the execution is effective. I do found it a bit of a chore to re watch thesedays though.
The others you much of a muchness.
Resurrection is to glossy and actually quite boring and the characters are all dickheads. Prometheus tries to add to much wankery mythology and is full of moronic characters. AvP turns the monsters into WWF Wrestlers. AvP2 looks like a cheap Sci Fi movie channel film.
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1. Alien - just edging out Aliens because the Xenomorph feels smarter and I slightly prefer the one Alien taking out a whole crew vs the Xenomorphs being cannon fodder
2. Aliens - In a lot of ways on the same level as Alien, but you gotta put 1 over the other so tough luck. Still one of the greatest action films ever IMO
3. Alien 3 - Not as bad as people say and the Assembly Cut makes it worth it.
4. Prometheus - Again, not as bad as people say. First half is really solid, I would say it takes a dive after the c-section scene (one of the most memorable scenes in the franchise) and it does drop in quality towards the end
5. Alien Resurrection - Dumb, loud and definitely not as good as the first 3 in the franchise. Parts of it are enjoyable but other parts are really weird.
6. Alien v Predator - I would say on par with Resurrection. Not great but not terrible. Mostly pretty mediocre but I could watch through parts of it if I saw it on TV.
7. Alien v Predator: Requiem - Easily the worst. Lightning is terrible and you gotta crank up your brightness to see anything from the so-called action scenes. OK, they brought it up from PG13 to an R-rating this time but that had zero effect on the outcome of the movie. Like do we need to see a small child die from a chestburster exploding his torso? Some interesting ideas on paper like the Xenomorphs in the sewer but it's too dark to see anything
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Alien Awakening will begin filming within a year - Ridley Scott.
Sounds like he knows what he wants and is knocking them out one after the other.
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Alien Awakening will begin filming within a year - Ridley Scott.
Sounds like he knows what he wants he's 79 years old and time is precious and is knocking them out one after the other.
fixed that for you.
But it is good to see that he's motivated to get these things made.
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1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Prometheus
All of the rest can GTFO
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1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Prometheus
All of the rest can GTFO
Nah, man. I'd argue Alien 3: Assembly Cut is better than Prometheus. It's still a mess, but it's a flawed masterpiece imo. Some of the best cinematography and acting in the whole franchise, as well as the absolute best soundtrack the series has ever had.
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1. ALIENS
2. ALIEN
3. Prometheus
All the rest can leave with the group that Hef Kicked out.
Nah, man. I'd argue Alien 3: Assembly Cut is better than Prometheus. It's still a mess, but it's a flawed masterpiece imo. Some of the best cinematography and acting in the whole franchise, as well as the absolute best soundtrack the series has ever had.
whereas I agree Alien 3 isn't all that bad....my issue with it is that the whole idea an alien was on board and impregnated Ripley and then the ship crashed is simply just silly and lazy. The queen at the end hid on the drop ship gaining access to it after ripping herself from her reproductive system...battling with Ripley where we saw the Queen many times and she wasn't carrying an egg and didn't have the means to lay one and stick it to the drop ship.
I can't buy that somehow she was able to get an egg on the Sulaco. For the entire movie to start off with us suspending that disbelief....is lazy to me. Then, while you can argue the points of good acting...cinematography etc...for it to take place on essentially the 'same' type of dark world in an isolated environment just like they had presented in ALIENS....lazy.
I'm not saying I have some sort of great idea of how a third movie 'should' have gone down....I just think the one we were given was lazy. And I don't consider any of the 'alien' movies after the third one (excluding Prometheus) to be true 'alien' movies....they were merely cash grabs based around one of the most creative...cool...sinister creatures to have been created in the movie industry.
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1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Prometheus
All of the rest can GTFO
Nah, man. I'd argue Alien 3: Assembly Cut is better than Prometheus. It's still a mess, but it's a flawed masterpiece imo. Some of the best cinematography and acting in the whole franchise, as well as the absolute best soundtrack the series has ever had.
OK, but the movie still isn't good. Cinematography and acting can't make up for the story. I derived no joy whatsoever from this film.
I've posted it before, but my favorite contemporary review of this film was titled Alien 3, People Nothing and was written by comic author and novelist Peter David. Here it is. (https://www.peterdavid.net/2009/05/25/alien-3-people-nothing/)
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I've posted it before, but my favorite contemporary review of this film was titled Alien 3, People Nothing and was written by comic author and novelist Peter David. Here it is. (https://www.peterdavid.net/2009/05/25/alien-3-people-nothing/)
Nice article...pretty spot on. I hadn't seen that in the past when you posted it.
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I once read a Star trek novel by Peter David called Q In Law I think... Pretty good.
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1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Prometheus
All of the rest can GTFO
I agree with this. I hate the look and feel of Alien3. It's so drab. And for some reason I find all the English actors just don't fit. The mattes look bad and is overall bad looking.
Alien Res is just cringeworthy apart from the alien getting sucked into space thru a tiny hole - that bit is hilarious. Winona Ryder is irritating as hell.
Ron Perlman does his best but he can't help the movie. AVP is just ok.
I'm expecting to enjoy Covenant. Hoping it'll take the #3 slot from Prometheus.
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There are only two good films in this entire 'franchise': Alien and Aliens. the rest can GTFO. yes even the directors cut of alien 3.
Prometheus was a beautiful disaster
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whereas I agree Alien 3 isn't all that bad....my issue with it is that the whole idea an alien was on board and impregnated Ripley and then the ship crashed is simply just silly and lazy. The queen at the end hid on the drop ship gaining access to it after ripping herself from her reproductive system...battling with Ripley where we saw the Queen many times and she wasn't carrying an egg and didn't have the means to lay one and stick it to the drop ship.
I can't buy that somehow she was able to get an egg on the Sulaco. For the entire movie to start off with us suspending that disbelief....is lazy to me. Then, while you can argue the points of good acting...cinematography etc...for it to take place on essentially the 'same' type of dark world in an isolated environment just like they had presented in ALIENS....lazy.
I'm not saying I have some sort of great idea of how a third movie 'should' have gone down....I just think the one we were given was lazy. And I don't consider any of the 'alien' movies after the third one (excluding Prometheus) to be true 'alien' movies....they were merely cash grabs based around one of the most creative...cool...sinister creatures to have been created in the movie industry.
I don't disagree with that fault. However I find all of the characters that are present in Prometheus (minus David, of course) to be outright insulting to my intelligence. It's one of the most implausibly idiotic cast of characters I've ever seen.
Personally speaking, I'm willing to suck up that opening bullshit with the secret egg on the Sulaco and how it jumpstarts the plot if it gets me one of the best characterizations of Ripley in the whole series, as well as characters like Dillon, Clemens, Andrews and the like. They weren't a pleasant lot, but they were interesting.
The cast of Prometheus, aside from David, was infuriatingly stupid. It's a testament to Michael Fassbender's acting ability that David carries the whole film for me.
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whereas I agree Alien 3 isn't all that bad....my issue with it is that the whole idea an alien was on board and impregnated Ripley and then the ship crashed is simply just silly and lazy. The queen at the end hid on the drop ship gaining access to it after ripping herself from her reproductive system...battling with Ripley where we saw the Queen many times and she wasn't carrying an egg and didn't have the means to lay one and stick it to the drop ship.
I can't buy that somehow she was able to get an egg on the Sulaco. For the entire movie to start off with us suspending that disbelief....is lazy to me. Then, while you can argue the points of good acting...cinematography etc...for it to take place on essentially the 'same' type of dark world in an isolated environment just like they had presented in ALIENS....lazy.
I'm not saying I have some sort of great idea of how a third movie 'should' have gone down....I just think the one we were given was lazy. And I don't consider any of the 'alien' movies after the third one (excluding Prometheus) to be true 'alien' movies....they were merely cash grabs based around one of the most creative...cool...sinister creatures to have been created in the movie industry.
I don't disagree with that fault. However I find all of the characters that are present in Prometheus (minus David, of course) to be outright insulting to my intelligence. It's one of the most implausibly idiotic cast of characters I've ever seen.
Personally speaking, I'm willing to suck up that opening bullshit with the secret egg on the Sulaco and how it jumpstarts the plot if it gets me one of the best characterizations of Ripley in the whole series, as well as characters like Dillon, Clemens, Andrews and the like. They weren't a pleasant lot, but they were interesting.
The cast of Prometheus, aside from David, was infuriatingly stupid. It's a testament to Michael Fassbender's acting ability that David carries the whole film for me.
Yeah I can agree outside of Davis the characters in Prometheus were pretty bland. He, some of the backstory of the Engineers and the production value of that movie are what did it for me and leapfrogged Prometheus into 3rd place for me.
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I'd also put Alien 3 (the director's cut or whatever) before Prometheus.
Alien 3 wasn't very good, but it was a pretty even amount of meh. Prometheus was just stupid. All of it. It's one of the reasons (though not the main reason) I'm not checking out Alien: Covenant in theaters.
Prometheus was well shot, but in this day and age, so are a ton of other movies and it's not enough for me to like it. I found every character to be horrible, even David. I liked Michael Fassbender, though I didn't like his character. I dunno. Just really didn't like the movie at all. I feel like it was one of those things where a guy does a lot of coke, had some really cool ideas, writes them out in an incoherent way, then just sobers up and moves on while other people have to piece it all together.
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I'd also put Alien 3 (the director's cut or whatever) before Prometheus.
Alien 3 wasn't very good, but it was a pretty even amount of meh. Prometheus was just stupid. All of it. It's one of the reasons (though not the main reason) I'm not checking out Alien: Covenant in theaters.
Prometheus was well shot, but in this day and age, so are a ton of other movies and it's not enough for me to like it. I found every character to be horrible, even David. I liked Michael Fassbender, though I didn't like his character. I dunno. Just really didn't like the movie at all. I feel like it was one of those things where a guy does a lot of coke, had some really cool ideas, writes them out in an incoherent way, then just sobers up and moves on while other people have to piece it all together.
Tragically, the original Jon Spaihts script for Prometheus- back when it was a straight-up Alien prequel- was pretty damn solid. It wasn't on par with the first two films, but the characters were generally pretty likable and non-idiotic. Hell, Shaw's boyfriend was a considerably superior character in that draft and not the arrogant douchebag he ended up being in the final version.
In other words, Ridley Scott looked at the script and said, "Nah" and then got Lindelof to screw it all up.
It's not even that they ejected the xenomorph parts of the script that bugs me (I actually thought Prometheus was being pretty bold to try and introduce an entirely new set of monsters connected to the xenomorphs, even if it didn't land)- it's that the characters all got botched in the process. The sole improvement I can think of from that draft is David. Originally, in the Spaihts draft, he's blatantly Ash 2.0. To Lindelof's credit, he made the character far more interesting and morally nuanced a being with his rewrite.
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For me, Prometheus is just like the Power Glove
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/R4iojD6Hf5F3W/giphy.gif)
From a distance, you look at it and are like "wow, that's looks like it might be pretty cool" but then you actually experience it and are like "oh GOD NO, please GOD NO!!!"
It just doesn't work at all and just ends up pissing you off.
I originally saw it in the theater with my uncle and he walked out. He was like "that was total dogshit, why did you reccomend that" and I was like "but, but the trailer was so cool looking, but it was ridley scott, the maker of Alien, this should have been so good..."
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Just watched Prometheus for the first time. I avoided it for so long because of all the negative reviews, but with Covenant coming out, I figured it was time to see it. Besides nodding off during the landing (it's late) I liked it. Basically once the creatures were introduced I got more invested. Didn't see any real flaws in the characters. Acting was good. Sure they were fodder for the monsters, but that's how it goes. One thing I'll agree with is Guy Pearce's make up was not convincing at all. A bit of predictable dialog during the reveal that he is Theron's father. I hate clunky dramatic pausing cliched exposition. I was just waiting for her so say "father". Like, just say it already. But yeah, not a bad movie. Now I might even watch Avatar, even though with that, it's more that it just never really looked interesting to me more than the negative reviews keeping me away. Oh, and I finally got to see the infamous Prometheus School of Running Away From Things scene.
Aliens
Alien
Prometheus
Alien 3
EDIT: I Just watched Everything Wrong with Prometheus by CinemaSins, and I guess I missed a tad more when I dozed off. Oh well.
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The characters in Prometheus were so memorable!! fantastic writing by Lindelof IMHO
I especially enjoyed the part where a group of scientists go inside the alien spaceship on the alien planet and the first thing they decide to do is to take off their helmets. Or when the biologist freaked out at the sight of a dead alien man, but later tried to make friends with his new pet snake friend. who can forget the female lead scientist rejecting cold, hard evidence because "it's what i choose to believe." well ok then! but my favorite scene was when the geologist used his hi-tech drones to map out the layout of the entire ship, and then somehow managed to get lost with his best friend, the biologist. Just top notch writing all around.
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Lindelof isn't the best...
According to JJ Abrams - Lindelof was the one who pushed for Khan to be in Into Darkness.
Edit : I was going to see it in the multiplex on Sunday but it's an hours drive on the bike and it's forecast rain so I decided to go tonight in my local cinema too.
I mean... If it's nice on Sunday i'll still go - but if it's really wet then I won't bother.
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Looking forward to your opinion on the movie Kotowboy
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:tup
I'll be open minded. I'll give my honest reaction.
I'm going to see it in 30 minutes. So i'll post a quick post-movie thought in about 2h30m :)
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The characters in Prometheus were so memorable!! fantastic writing by Lindelof IMHO
I especially enjoyed the part where a group of scientists go inside the alien spaceship on the alien planet and the first thing they decide to do is to take off their helmets. Or when the biologist freaked out at the sight of a dead alien man, but later tried to make friends with his new pet snake friend. who can forget the female lead scientist rejecting cold, hard evidence because "it's what i choose to believe." well ok then! but my favorite scene was when the geologist used his hi-tech drones to map out the layout of the entire ship, and then somehow managed to get lost with his best friend, the biologist. Just top notch writing all around.
How subtle your sarcasm is.
The characters were written with horror tropes in mind. They were far from perfect, but not the annoying slasher fodder you see in most poorly written Sci Fi Horror. You have valid criticisms, but it didn't detract from the movie for me.
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I didn't like it.
Too slow in the first half and way too quick in the second half.
Action was too quick. No beauty shots of Xeno.
Predictable twist ending you see a mile away.
Not as good as Prometheus. Better than Resurrection.
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I didn't like it.
Too slow in the first half and way too quick in the second half.
Action was too quick. No beauty shots of Xeno.
Predictable twist ending you see a mile away.
Not as good as Prometheus. Better than Resurrection.
Well....that's a tad disheartening. I still plan to see it in theaters but it's a bummer to get this type of reaction.
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Yeah that's my initial gut reaction.
The end boss Xeno is dispatched WAY too easily. No long build up. Oh well.
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Just 7 days to go...
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I never expected this movie to be less enjoyable than Prometheus.
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The characters in Prometheus were so memorable!! fantastic writing by Lindelof IMHO
I especially enjoyed the part where a group of scientists go inside the alien spaceship on the alien planet and the first thing they decide to do is to take off their helmets. Or when the biologist freaked out at the sight of a dead alien man, but later tried to make friends with his new pet snake friend. who can forget the female lead scientist rejecting cold, hard evidence because "it's what i choose to believe." well ok then! but my favorite scene was when the geologist used his hi-tech drones to map out the layout of the entire ship, and then somehow managed to get lost with his best friend, the biologist. Just top notch writing all around.
How subtle your sarcasm is.
The characters were written with horror tropes in mind. They were far from perfect, but not the annoying slasher fodder you see in most poorly written Sci Fi Horror. You have valid criticisms, but it didn't detract from the movie for me.
You're right.
They were worse than that. At least the typical slasher fodder casts have the excuse of being ordinary people to justify their stupidity. This cast is supposed to be the elite batch of scientists of their time.
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The characters in Prometheus were so memorable!! fantastic writing by Lindelof IMHO
I especially enjoyed the part where a group of scientists go inside the alien spaceship on the alien planet and the first thing they decide to do is to take off their helmets. Or when the biologist freaked out at the sight of a dead alien man, but later tried to make friends with his new pet snake friend. who can forget the female lead scientist rejecting cold, hard evidence because "it's what i choose to believe." well ok then! but my favorite scene was when the geologist used his hi-tech drones to map out the layout of the entire ship, and then somehow managed to get lost with his best friend, the biologist. Just top notch writing all around.
How subtle your sarcasm is.
The characters were written with horror tropes in mind. They were far from perfect, but not the annoying slasher fodder you see in most poorly written Sci Fi Horror. You have valid criticisms, but it didn't detract from the movie for me.
You're right.
They were worse than that. At least the typical slasher fodder casts have the excuse of being ordinary people to justify their stupidity. This cast is supposed to be the elite batch of scientists of their time.
Ordinary people aren't borderline retarded, which is the case for just about all slasher film fodder. Yeah, the scientists could have been written better (we found this guy dead, and suddenly he's at our bay gift wrapped for us, maybe I shouldn't walk up to him) but those flaws didn't ruin the movie for me.
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There's a lot of silly stuff in Covenant too but it's not quite as daft as Prometheus.
It just suffers from other problems.
Wannabe lofty dialogue with no purpose and action scenes and set pieces that are over in 10 seconds.
I seriously couldn't believe how quickly the final showdown was over with.
I give it
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Well I saw this last nights, few mates wanted to see it so went along. It wasn't a film i'd been desperate to see and I'd read Kotowboys thoughts before hand so expectations were low - however I've got to say I was surprised how bad it really was. Let's get the films one truly memorable moment (for all the wrong reasons) out of the way - The "self flule-latio fingering scene" this could be one of cinema's great unintentionally hilarious moments, poor Fassbender.
Aside from the above scene rarely is there anything interesting happening, the alien attacks are all the sudden jumpy scare type - no suspense at all, it's not scary at all. The characters are forgettable fodder, the plot is about Daddy Issues.
On the plus side those AvP films can now be officially consigned to Non-Canon (if there was any doubt).
Oh and the gestation time for aliens continues the trend of being random.
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Ok I've seen it twice now.
It's not TERRIBLE. The first half is decent.
It's just that the action climax is over in ten. minutes.
Not as good as first two. Better than 3 and Resurrection.
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David / Walter reminded me a lot of Lore/Data.
One is evil and more human and the other is subservient, emotionless and inquisitive.
Plus the voice of the Covenant sounded a lot like Majel Barett - wonder if that was intentional.
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Ok I've seen it twice now.
It's not TERRIBLE. The first half is decent.
It's just that the action climax is over in ten. minutes.
Not as good as first two. Better than 3 and Resurrection.
I didn't think it was a patch on 3 and as bad as Resurrection.
Also : "You blow in the little hole and I'll do the fingering".......I know i've already mentioned it - but seriously how did a line like that get though? How Fassbender managed to keep a straight face (Well two straight faces) saying those words.
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I wish they would have just did a simultaneous world wide release. There's all these reviews I am trying to avoid and I am ready to see this thing. Just a few more days...
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One of my favourite goofs in Prometheus...
Shaw and Ford carry the head back to the ship from the dome.... Then they say they can't lift the helmet off the head as it's too heavy...
:lolpalm:
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Just won passes to an early screening in LA on Wednesday, looking forward to seeing this :tup
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Just won passes to an early screening in LA on Wednesday, looking forward to seeing this :tup
Awesome!
Gonna see it this Thursday night. Despite hearing some 'bad' reviews I've also heard good ones as well....one i especially trust is a local Movie Reviewer who had good non spoilery things to say...so I'm still looking forward to it as well.
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I re watched Prometheus last night and now I don't know which I prefer :lolpalm:
I think I may prefer Covenant in the long run but I preferred Prometheus in the cinema.
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Think the biggest problem is the whole point of the original Alien was that it was a monster movie set in space. Nobody cared where the monster came from, who created it, etc etc Aliens successfully continued the B-movie style by upping the scale of everything. Now these prequels are trying to add a load of cod-philosophical musings about the origins of the human race, kind off missing the point of what made the films great in the first place.
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I liked Covenant more the 2nd time I watched it.
It's not bad - it's just that the climax of the movie is over in like ten minutes.
Almost as if Ridley was like " fine - you want a xenomorph battle ? - HERE... for ten minutes "
But both films definitely have a cool feel throughout and some really great shots and cinematography.
I'm looking forward to the next one. Because even if the films are poor - I can at least look forward to the visuals.
:)
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I was just reading a review and read something that didn't sound right:
The first mate (Mr. Crudup) assumes command and leads his subordinates onto the surface of the green but curiously lifeless planet Origae-6, the very spot where the Prometheus disappeared.
I am assuming this was just a mistake. The Prometheus crashed into the Engineer ship on the planet (moon?) where all the action in Prometheus took place, which I assume is NOT Origae-6. I am guessing the writer mistakenly meant "the very spot where the Engineer ship hijacked by David and Shaw disappeared." Can anyone confirm?
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I was just reading a review and read something that didn't sound right:
The first mate (Mr. Crudup) assumes command and leads his subordinates onto the surface of the green but curiously lifeless planet Origae-6, the very spot where the Prometheus disappeared.
I am assuming this was just a mistake. The Prometheus crashed into the Engineer ship on the planet (moon?) where all the action in Prometheus took place, which I assume is NOT Origae-6. I am guessing the writer mistakenly meant "the very spot where the Engineer ship hijacked by David and Shaw disappeared." Can anyone confirm?
No, it's not where Prometheus takes place, but remember that David and Shaw left the planet that Prometheus took place on at the end of that film to go find the Engineers' homeworld.
I'm assuming that is Origae-6.
EDIT: Yeah, basically what you said. The Prometheus landed on a different planet from Origae-6, which was a neighboring planet to LV-246. I think it was called LV-223, but I'd need to double check.
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Right. Yeah, I think she just got her ships mixed up. The Prometheus landed and later kamikazeed (is that a word?) into the Engineer juggernaut on LV-something-or-other. I think the Engineer home world that Shaw and David were off to find in the stolen juggernaut is Origae-6.
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Not quite.
Shaw and David leave to find the engineers homeworld and crash on it.
Shaw sends out a distress call - or it's David pretending to be her...
The Covenant takes damage and intercepts the call. They WERE headed to origae 6 but decide to check out this new , closer Goldilocks planet instead.
Which turns out to be the Engineer planet.
:)
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Wait, I thought John Denver sent out the distress call. ???
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he did.
but it was like 150 years ago and it was in a plane on Earth and he died.
ironically he Left on a jet plane.
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Heading out to see the 9:00 show tonight
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I'm seeing it tomorrow
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Just got back. I'll say I liked it more than Kotowboy. I'm going to wait until Sunday/Monday to really get into talking about it in any depth in order to give those that are planning to see it this weekend.
I'd put it even with Prometheus with leaning towards a bit better actually.....I find myself looking forward to the sequel already.
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Just got back. I'll say I liked it more than Kotowboy. I'm going to wait until Sunday/Monday to really get into talking about it in any depth in order to give those that are planning to see it this weekend.
I'd put it even with Prometheus with leaning towards a bit better actually.....I find myself looking forward to the sequel already.
It's OK but they deal with the Xenomorph almost as quickly as Shaw dealt with the Engineer in prometheus.
It's like " here he is ! " .....aaaaaand he's gone.
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Just got back. I'll say I liked it more than Kotowboy. I'm going to wait until Sunday/Monday to really get into talking about it in any depth in order to give those that are planning to see it this weekend.
I'd put it even with Prometheus with leaning towards a bit better actually.....I find myself looking forward to the sequel already.
It's OK but they deal with the Xenomorph almost as quickly as Shaw dealt with the Engineer in prometheus.
It's like " here he is ! " .....aaaaaand he's gone.
Agreed. But, I don't think that movie was about the Aliens. It was about David
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Finally saw it tonight. Would say it held up to my expectations. Not as great as Alien or Aliens but definitely better than pretty much everything else in the franchise (maybe not Assembly Cut of Alien 3) especially a step up from Prometheus.
Sure, I could see the twist at the end coming. And I saw David's true intentions miles away, but I still enjoyed it. I think my biggest gripe with the movie is that the most interesting parts are kinda fast-forwarded through to spend time on other things. I don't want to spoil for those who haven't seen it yet but let's just say that what David has been up to, that's some interesting stuff. But we only really get a short flashback and the rest is pretty much up in the air for our minds to speculate. The ending (without spoiling) does end on an interesting scenario where you want to see what happens next, I'm just scared that the "loose end" will be taken care of off screen and the next movie is basically back to square one.
It sounds like I'm coming off as harsh for someone who liked the movie but I still hope they get to explore the interesting things more in the next one. We know after Covenant how we got to the Egg and how we got to the facehugger and finally the Xenomorph, but it could be neat to get something else than a crew investigating a signal, they come across the alien, insert shots of people running through hallways and 90% of the crew getting picked off. From the trailers and how they presented the eggs I was almost thinking that Covenant would be the planet of the aliens and they would encounter the species in their habitat (kinda like Aliens) but instead we got something else.
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The sequence where you see David arrive at the Engineer homeworld and what happens next is my favourite scene in the movie.
Just everything from arriving - docking - releasing the payload - the black cloud of death and THAT awesome high speed tracking shot under the cloud towards the dome at a weird angle.
That's the kind of shit Ridley excels at.
I'm still unsure how David got the eggs. Don't you need a queen for that ? Who laid them ? The Deacons ?
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I'm still unsure how David got the eggs. Don't you need a queen for that ? Who laid them ? The Deacons ?
What came first, the queen or the egg? I kinda got the feeling that David used Shaw to get to the eggs somehow. I don't know how but it felt like he sacrificed her to go one step further down the evolution (her being the only human available as host makes some form of sense).
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Would say it held up to my expectations. Not as great as Alien or Aliens but definitely better than pretty much everything else in the franchise ***snip*** especially a step up from Prometheus.
Yeah...I'd sign off on this. What has it ahead of Prometheus for me is there's more substance to the story....the story being:
what David has been up to, that's some interesting stuff.
but with that being said I totally agree that:
we only really get a short flashback and the rest is pretty much up in the air for our minds to speculate.
which isn't necessarily bad but given the extent of David's living quarters it'd have been interesting to see more of what went into that.
The sequence where you see David arrive at the Engineer homeworld and what happens next is my favourite scene in the movie.
Just everything from arriving - docking - releasing the payload - the black cloud of death and THAT awesome high speed tracking shot under the cloud towards the dome at a weird angle.
That's the kind of shit Ridley excels at.
I'm still unsure how David got the eggs. Don't you need a queen for that ? Who laid them ? The Deacons ?
The flashback is awesome....I'm with Zantera in the fact I'd have liked to seen at least 5-10 minutes of that being explored a tad more...but I'll take what they gave us for now.
As far as 'where' the eggs came from. It's pretty evident David raped the planet of it's indigenous lifeforms...I'm sure one or multiple species were some sort of egg laying/parasite type species. He could have just engineered them. That goes back to what Zantera suggested....more of that would have been neat.
I found it interesting the fondness and love David had for Shaw and then learning Shaw's fate. I supposed being an android David easily separated his mission and objective from whatever 'love' he had for Shaw and was able to use her as a host. That's why I don't think this was an Alien movie per say....but a movie more directed at David, immortality and perhaps the madness that would come from being immortal??
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I am Ozymandius. Look upon my works ye mighty and despair.
:metal
Dat Scene.
Definitely enjoyed Covenant more 2nd time ( I entered the cinema purposefully late 2nd time around. Missed out the David prologue with Weyland and the accident on the ship. Walked in as they
were about to descend to the planet . )
And watched Prometheus the next day. Has aged for me already. And I used to love it.
I think Covenant's reputation will be better in the long run.
Looking forward to Alien Awakenings. Ridley allegedly starts shooting it within a year :tup
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Just got back. I will give more thorough thoughts after digestion, but initial thoughts are that I loved it :metal
I would put it as a strong number 3 behind Alien and Aliens. My heart is still racing. Can't wait for awakenings :metal :metal
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Oh it's easily. EASILY better than Alien3 and Resurrection.
About the only thing i'd change is the Xeno on the ship climax. It needed to be more of a cat & mouse chase like in the original - but it was for too short for my liking.
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Also i'm interested what HITB will think of it.
I don't think they'll hate it . Jay even liked Prometheus for the most part.
They'll probably prefer it but say it's still not necessary or as good as the first two.
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This was on my mind quite a bit while watching.
(https://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x54/TrueX-Ray/TNG%20Caption%20This/tngcaption5e.jpg)
But it didn't bother me though. Just something that came to mind
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Just came back from my screening. This movie felt safe. Good, but safe. Prometheus is way more interesting in concept than execution, and at that, the absence of a Damon Lindelof script was much welcomed. The characters were much better tailored. Lindelof wrote his characters in Prometheus as idiots (which is sad because there was a stellar cast for Prometheus). But the concept of Prometheus seemed distilled in Alien: Covenant, and that makes it a but frustrating for me. I felt like I went in and saw an entertaining movie but left empty. It's not the missed opportunity that Prometheus was for me. Just a safer movie.
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I also thought of Data & Lore.
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I kinda feel like just a few small changes in the script could have made it better or at least avoid those "we've seen this before moments". Just throwing out a few ideas now. SPOILERS
1. How bout instead of the distress beacon which makes them change planets, how bout go for something different? Maybe they arrive close to their original planet but it turns out they did their calculations wrong or something has changed (like a giant meteor has crashed with that planet) or just something that forces the crew to pick an alternative planet rather than deciding to do so because of a signal. Because the travel time to the planet is a very long trip spanning years, so something could definitely have changed in that time.
2. When we finally get to the egg/facehugger moment it's all happening because the captain is following David's advice and sticking his head down an egg basically. How bout changing it so that when the captain killed the Neomorph (which upset David), David could have knocked him out unconscious and dragged him down the cellar. Could have been a tense scene of the captain waking up in the egg room and them beginning to open, which would have made us (and him) go "shit get out of there" rather than "why the fuck are you going close to the eggs?!". Instead of mimicking the John Hurt moment of the first Alien, we could have had the captain actually being smart and trying to escape the room with multiple facehuggers attacking him, finally he can't fence them off and one gets on his face. That way his fate would have been less idiotic.
3. Not showing the Alien birth on the ship at the end was a missed opportunity because those moments are for the most part really well executed. Having Daniels wake up to the "there's an unknown lifeform on the ship" wasn't as great as if we would have seen it. I feel like most people (myself included) were slightly surprised because the guy only had a facehugger near his face for 15 seconds or so, could have made something interesting of that birth scene on the ship.
4. A few more flashbacks could have helped to really bridge Prometheus and Covenant and especially David's motivation. Sure, we get that he is basically Doctor Moreau and wants to breed Xenomorphs, but I would have been really curious to see more scenes of him and Shaw. I don't think there's any way that she was 100% supportive of his decision to go full holocaust on the engineers but on the other hand her corpse looked pretty fresh when they found it in Covenant. Not "she died 10 years ago" but more recent. Would have been interesting to see the moment of betrayal when David decided that he needed Shaw to give her life to reach the next step in the Xenomorph evolution chain. Because after she put him together, that could have been a powerful scene.
Just throwing out some ideas, what do you guys think?
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1. I think David sent out the signal because he wanted more humans to come... If they turned up by accident it would be "oh it all happened by chance...again ".
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1. I think David sent out the signal because he wanted more humans to come... If they turned up by accident it would be "oh it all happened by chance...again ".
Yeah I think he definitely did, to get that next step in the Xeno evolution he needed humans. Still though, yet another beat we've seen before used again. Even if they had to stick to the distress signal I would have preferred if we got an actual recorded message or something. Maybe David sounding desperate and being like "I'm all alone here, if someone is out there please help me" rather than an unknown signal that could be good or bad, and characters just deciding to go with it.
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3. Not showing the Alien birth on the ship at the end was a missed opportunity because those moments are for the most part really well executed. Having Daniels wake up to the "there's an unknown lifeform on the ship" wasn't as great as if we would have seen it. I feel like most people (myself included) were slightly surprised because the guy only had a facehugger near his face for 15 seconds or so, could have made something interesting of that birth scene on the ship.
I'm curious as to if it was the face hugger that impregnated him or if it was David once they got on the rescue lander. There were a couple scenes there when Shaw was battling outside that he removed and replaced his face dressing and gave him a shot. He could have dosed him with something then?
I would have been really curious to see more scenes of him and Shaw. I don't think there's any way that she was 100% supportive of his decision to go full holocaust on the engineers but on the other hand her corpse looked pretty fresh when they found it in Covenant. Not "she died 10 years ago" but more recent. Would have been interesting to see the moment of betrayal when David decided that he needed Shaw to give her life to reach the next step in the Xenomorph evolution chain. Because after she put him together, that could have been a powerful scene.
I am curious as to the moment of betrayal as well and I believe that I read somewhere that Noomi Rapace had agreed to the next film as well?? Sounds like that betrayal will be explored.
But...what is interesting is why would David plant wheat if she had died in the crash? There'd be no need for food just for him, so....seems like she'd have to have lived a while at least? Her corpse did look a tad 'fresh' but he had other animals in that room preserved as well so I don't think that necessarily means he killed her like two days ago.
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But...what is interesting is why would David plant wheat if she had died in the crash? There'd be no need for food just for him, so....seems like she'd have to have lived a while at least? Her corpse did look a tad 'fresh' but he had other animals in that room preserved as well so I don't think that necessarily means he killed her like two days ago.
Yeah my initial feeling was that the wheat was definitely planted by Shaw. But the contradiction is that when David dumped out the black goo, it corrupted everything basically. Because the plants with the spores definitely looked like some kind of plant that had been corrupted to become what it was, and if that was the case it would be weird that the wheat was "normal". Sure it might have been planted after the fact.
I feel like the time Shaw and David spent on the planet would have been really interesting to see. I don't see her being OK with the mass holocaust at all, either she was in sleep or David had knocked her out but it did feel like she played a part on the planet before David eventually turned on her. I guess finding a human host for his experiments proved frustrating and he had to betray her. Or she found out he was doing freaky things behind her back and that's when he turned on her.
Still feel bad because she put him together and showed compassion and care for him, and he returned the favor with a dagger in the back. Sure, he's an android, but that turn would have been interesting to see. Maybe he even struggled with the decision. He had no qualms about experimenting on the Covenant people or wasting them, but with Shaw there was a bond at least.
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My thought was that the wheat was planted by the engineers.
Also, I am surprised, that there weren't any other cities on the planet.
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I don't see her being OK with the mass holocaust at all, either she was in sleep or David had knocked her out but it did feel like she played a part on the planet before David eventually turned on her.
Wait, what? At the end of Prometheus, she is bent on wiping the Engineers out so they cannot attack earth. I think she was definitely all in on the xenocide.
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I am curious as to the moment of betrayal as well and I believe that I read somewhere that Noomi Rapace had agreed to the next film as well?? Sounds like that betrayal will be explored.
Alien Awakenings will allegedly take place after Prometheus and before Covenant.
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I am curious as to the moment of betrayal as well and I believe that I read somewhere that Noomi Rapace had agreed to the next film as well?? Sounds like that betrayal will be explored.
Alien Awakenings will allegedly take place after Prometheus and before Covenant.
Isn't that just silly IMO? The order that is. They could easily have made Awakenings before Covenant if that's the case.
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I guess we'll find out.
I'm sure it makes some kind of sense in Ridley's mind.
Maybe he wants to reveal the whole story gradually.
But yeah - then we'll have to wait for the NEXT one to find out what happened to Daniels and Tennessee.
MAYBE Awakenings will be a half and half type thing. Constantly flashing back and forth ?
Hmmm.
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So is anyone else hoping that eventually David gets a face hugger and spawns an android xenomorph?
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So is anyone else hoping that eventually David gets a face hugger and spawns an android xenomorph?
Won't happen.
ITS NOT CANON!!!!!!111111 :angry: :blob:
Also - I don't think you can "grow" Mecha.
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Let me dream!
Or you and I could write the fan-fiction!
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As long as it's David impregnating Walter :zydar:
It's a million dollar idea !
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We'll introduce a new antagonist.
The Robo-Homo-Xeno-Morph.
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No.
...it's a billion dollar idea!
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:hifive:
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Covenant only cost $97m . Comparatively cheap compared to most summer blockbusters.
That means it just has to make like $300m to be a hit.
And Prometheus made over $400m and so far Covenant is reportedly out performing that so we'll see.
I hope it does well because I'd like to see more of these movies with Ridley directing and Fassbender playing David.
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Watched Alien again. Must be maybe my 4th time, if that. I've always preferred Aliens and still do, but Alien is a great movie. Stellar acting. I just enjoy action movies more, but I appreciate Alien more now that I'm older.
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Watched Alien again. Must be maybe my 4th time, if that. I've always preferred Aliens and still do, but Alien is a great movie. Stellar acting. I just enjoy action movies more, but I appreciate Alien more now that I'm older.
For me...ALIEN is the very definition of a suspense/thriller movie. Some action but that tension and suspense can be cut with a knife. The way the movie looks/was shot....the acting....the backdrop of it all....so well executed.
ALIENS is my favorite 'alien' movie and in my top 5 of all time....but the first one is just a work of art IMO.
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I am curious as to the moment of betrayal as well and I believe that I read somewhere that Noomi Rapace had agreed to the next film as well?? Sounds like that betrayal will be explored.
Alien Awakenings will allegedly take place after Prometheus and before Covenant.
I'm curious as to how they turn that into a 2-2.5 hour movie? I mean, I'm sure Scott could focus on the 'day of betrayal' and the events leading up to it (if he did betray Shaw) but outside of that it's very 'bland' story IMO.
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Yeah, seriously. That gap between prometheus and covenant doesn't need a movie. David puts shaw to sleep, murders all the engineers (who could have had answers) and then sits alone for 10 years experimenting. Like, I get it. I don't need 2 hours+ to further explain that.
I want to see something moving forward
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So the reason the xenomorphs have mechanical tubing designs is because they were made by an android?
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Watched Alien again. Must be maybe my 4th time, if that. I've always preferred Aliens and still do, but Alien is a great movie. Stellar acting. I just enjoy action movies more, but I appreciate Alien more now that I'm older.
For me...ALIEN is the very definition of a suspense/thriller movie. Some action but that tension and suspense can be cut with a knife. The way the movie looks/was shot....the acting....the backdrop of it all....so well executed.
ALIENS is my favorite 'alien' movie and in my top 5 of all time....but the first one is just a work of art IMO.
ALIEN is tied with Disney's Beauty and the Beast as my favorite film of all-time. There's a few other films that I think are better overall (i.e. Kurosawa's RAN, Bergman's Persona, etc), but those are my two personal favorites.
Yeah, seriously. That gap between prometheus and covenant doesn't need a movie. David puts shaw to sleep, murders all the engineers (who could have had answers) and then sits alone for 10 years experimenting. Like, I get it. I don't need 2 hours+ to further explain that.
I want to see something moving forward
I'm pretty damn skeptical that Alien: Awakening will be what Ridley Scott currently says it is. He has this habit of changing his mind on what a film will be about, how he'll make it/if he'll make it, and so on and so forth on the flip of a dime.
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Man, I loved every second of this movie. Really awesome and pretty much polished the edgy parts of the issues I had with Prometheus. It was definitely "safer" in some regards but it was also more concise because of that. I am okay with it taking a little less risks if it means it being cleaner overall. I thought it was fun, had some great gore and death scenes, but also some really cool lore and scenery/effects. :tup
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So what are you guys hoping to see from the next one, assuming Covenant does enough money that we get the third movie in this Prometheus-Covenant run?
I kinda hope that instead of a new ship out and about encountering a signal, going to the planet finding the remnants of the Covenant ship, I'm hoping the next one keeps focus on the Covenant crew. Daniels and Tennessee could be the leads but you could also have some of the people who were asleep during Covenant (that we didn't see in the film yet) play new integral parts. The ship has landed on some planet where David is continuing his experiments, because breeding Xenos works better on a planet than on a confined ship with limited space. Maybe David has been keeping Daniels and Tennessee under sleep (because they're the only ones who know about the events of Alien Covenant and could stop him) and somehow they wake up and need to stop him/escape xenos etc.
As long as it's not a new ship of new scientists/colonists who stumble upon a signal.
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So what are you guys hoping to see from the next one, assuming Covenant does enough money that we get the third movie in this Prometheus-Covenant run?
I kinda hope that instead of a new ship out and about encountering a signal, going to the planet finding the remnants of the Covenant ship, I'm hoping the next one keeps focus on the Covenant crew. Daniels and Tennessee could be the leads but you could also have some of the people who were asleep during Covenant (that we didn't see in the film yet) play new integral parts. The ship has landed on some planet where David is continuing his experiments, because breeding Xenos works better on a planet than on a confined ship with limited space. Maybe David has been keeping Daniels and Tennessee under sleep (because they're the only ones who know about the events of Alien Covenant and could stop him) and somehow they wake up and need to stop him/escape xenos etc.
what you've described could be perfect. David has (2) face huggers already.....would most likely have created more by the time anyone 'escaped' to start the main conflict. I'd like to see the next film stay more along the lines of the suspense 'feel' of ALIEN rather than the action/thriller type feel that has been the focus in all the other alien movies. More 'cat and mouse'....and maybe have it be a cat and mouse game between David and the crew in lieu of an actual Alien. He's actually more frightening than them. He's already kind of taken the torch from the engineers with his obsession that the humans don't deserve to colonize and live on. He's incredibly strong and smart.....Make it a final showdown Man v David.
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Yeah, seriously. That gap between prometheus and covenant doesn't need a movie. David puts shaw to sleep, murders all the engineers (who could have had answers) and then sits alone for 10 years experimenting. Like, I get it. I don't need 2 hours+ to further explain that.
I want to see something moving forward
Honestly, after watching the movie I felt very much done with the whole orgins of the Aliens. I'm all for a Alien 5 now, actually looking back I pretty much could be with out these two movies. :-\
Even though this movie was slightly better it still was a bit meh in the end. The characters was a bit better this time although scenes/lines like: "I just need to pee" while walking away alone... or "Oh look a weird alien flower, I better be really close with my face when I poke it" just makes me go :facepalm:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klsy8PiscEw
Half In The Bag.
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Holy shit the "twist" was soooo predictable. Other than that, it was ok.
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Holy shit the "twist" was soooo predictable. Other than that, it was ok.
That ending was assumed and known the second David began cutting his hair.
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For me it was the moment he and walter were fighting and it cut away.
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For me it was the moment he and walter were fighting and it cut away.
Well....yeah.....they sealed the deal but the moment David found Walter and was teaching him the flute I pretty much expected what happened to happen. Davids interest and questioning the mission prior To that sparked the thought as well.
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But the android at the end IS Walter - but David has imprinted on him.
So now it's David in an upgraded body.
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But the android at the end IS Walter - but David has imprinted on him.
So now it's David in an upgraded body.
Huh? Imprinted?
I just took it as David 'killed' Walter....chopped his hand off to fully portray Walter and that was that.
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He doesn't have the hole in his chin. Ergo Walter.
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Finally saw this last night. Alien is the franchise that got me interested in film making, so obviously I was hyped about this one.
My overall thoughts is that is was definetely good, but not as good as it could have been. It has some issues, most of which have been posted here already.
I agree that the final showdown with the Alien was too quick. Which also made it so that there wasn't really a sense of desperation. They found out there was a xenomorph on board, made a plan immediately, and it pretty much worked exactly like they planned on the first try. The sense of desperation in the original is incredible because they have all these ideas about how to deal with the Alien and none of it works. I understand that the movie was wrapping up and there wasn't more time for a lengthy showdown, but the xenomorph, the "perfect organism" being dispatched to quickly lessens the threat and impact of its presence a bit.
Speaking of the xenomorph, it was too fast, as in how it moved. This is more of a nitpick, but it's a detail that's important to me given my long love for the creature. Part of what makes it so scary in the original is that you can't really find it, it sneaks up on you. It's dead quiet until it's suddenly right behind you. Having it scream constantly and showing it run around with that speed makes it not as scary. I thought the shower scene was a perfect example of how they should have done it. It doesn't charge screaming into the shower and slaughter them. It sneaks up in the dark, does some really creepy shit, and then kills them.
I loved the opening scene with David and Wayland. And I thought everything up until landing on the planet had excellent pacing. It really took it's time with setting up the story, and it was great. But then the second half of the movie, while certainly entertaining, started to rush things, which is a shame because there's some really cool stuff going on. Like the time period from the captain getting the facehugger treatment to the first chestburster scene felt like it might have been 10-30 minutes, whereas in the original that thing felt like it took days to grow enough to burst out.
Pretty much everything having to do with David was great, easily the most interesting character and also the scariest of all the antagonists. Not monster-scary, but scary as in a much more sophisticated and calculating threat. Don't think there was anything wrong with the flute scene, I found it really interesting. Realizing David made the xenomorphs was a really cool moment.
And for all those saying that they "saw the twist coming", I honestly didn't even consider it a twist. Of course it was going to be David. Everything about how they filmed those scenes screamed it, so I don't really think it was supposed to be a secret, other than for the characters in the movie.
I'm sure I have more to say, but this is what I got right now.
At the end of Prometheus, she is bent on wiping the Engineers out so they cannot attack earth. I think she was definitely all in on the xenocide.
Shaw went on to continue searching for the answers they came for in the first place, not to wipe them out.
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^^^ I agree
Her words at the end of prometheus were something like "they wanted to destroy us and I want to know why". She wanted answers, not massacre. My thoughts are that David put her to sleep and she never woke up.
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But the android at the end IS Walter - but David has imprinted on him.
So now it's David in an upgraded body.
The way I understood it Walter (as an upgraded model) had self healing (when his hand got lost and when he was stabbed with the flute by David) and one of the clues that it was David coming out of the temple and not Walter was that David didn't have that self healing. Hence he was stapling his wounds on the ship.
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I liked Alien 3 (The assembly cut) up until Charles Dance died. The dynamic between him and Ripley was engaging and his death came way too early. Besides that, the film is a depressing mess.
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Looks like this has officially bombed, only $10 mil the second weekend; who knows if they'll green light another.
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Sucks but not too surprising. I saw it twice, the opening day and a couple days after and both times (in very popular theaters in highly populated areas) the theater was fairly dead. Really going to bummed majorly if there isn't at least another film. I know there are a few more planned but really I think if they had to stretch their dollar, the stories could be linked from prequels to the first movie in the next film and quite frankly that's all I'd really want. I wouldn't say no to more by any means but if it continues to bomb...that isn't going to happen from the looks of it.
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Not quite. Still hasn't opened in a few territories including china.
Plus so far it's made $160m on a $97m budget. Roughly 1.5x its budget.
It's only been out like 2 weeks. May as well wait and see what the total haul is.
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I thought the movie was pretty weak, but it's sad to see the franchise falling on it's arse in the boxoffice like this, and this film does seem to have it's fans - so I wish no ill on it at all. It seems to be roughly in the same place as the Terminator franchise now.
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I remember the first time I heard that Ridley was involved in a new Alien movie, the original creator. I was so excited for that but looking back now it just feels kinda sad.
https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2017/may/02/ridley-scott-alien-5-covenant-neill-blomkamp
Reading this it seems like Ridley didn't have any say in the final decision but I still feel bummed that he says Alien 5 was never going to happen.
I think with Neills vision and a great writing team it could evolve into an interesting Alien movie but yea who knows, it probably won't happen now anyway.
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It seems to be roughly in the same place as the Terminator franchise now.
Maybe, but despite Covenant's flaws it's nowhere near as bad as Terminator Genysis was.
I would be so sad if this was the end of the Alien franshise. It means a lot to me and is what got me into film overall in the first place, so I'm hoping there will be more.
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It seems to be roughly in the same place as the Terminator franchise now.
Maybe, but despite Covenant's flaws it's nowhere near as bad as Terminator Genysis was.
I'd say it was as bad, neither film did anything for me. But I feel your pain - I've just seen Pirates 5 this weekend and my God it's drab - I genuinely adored the first movie, it's hard to believe how woefully inept that franchise has become :(
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I got this on Blu Ray today. Really good in-depth Making-Of. Which is always a good thing.
I enjoy some good extras as much as the movie usually - sometimes more - as i'm very interested in how films are made.
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I would be so sad if this was the end of the Alien franshise. It means a lot to me and is what got me into film overall in the first place, so I'm hoping there will be more.
What I want is one more film with Fassbender going crazy and all hell breaking loose - which leads directly into Alien 1979 - then no more prequels.
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Yeah one more film I think would be perfect. That's kind of what I imagined anyway when Prometheus came out. A film after that one to explain the engineers, and one more after that one explaining the true birth of what we now know as "Xenomorph". I was surprised when I heard he had a few more planned out and it seemed to me to be a bit excessive.
I'll be really surprised and saddened if there isn't at least one more. I know this tanked but I wouldn't think it'd be a total waste to do, if only for the hardcore fans.
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Yeah I don't think they need another 2-3 movies to tell this story. Just have the next movie set on Paradise, some humans wake up/escape the ship but David has already begun operation Xenomorph and aliens vs humans is a thing, then engineers show up (they want revenge for what David did to their city, and I doubt all of them met their fate there), have a aliens vs humans vs engineers type battle on Paradise, movie ends with one of the engineers in a ship with the alien eggs in the cargo and it crash lands and sets up Alien. The final part could either be an engineer getting greedy thinking "hey we can use these eggs ourselves to destroy planets" and then just foolishly underestimating the xenomorph, OR just an engineer fleeing the planet on a ship not knowing about the cargo at all.
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As for the Aliens geek in me, only 1 more needs to be made. I think anyone that knows whats playing out, as was previously said by another poster.
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Finally got to see this movie and am really kicking myself for not seeing it in the theater. What a visual treat. I found the story a ton better than Prometheus, having the focus on David was excellent and I wish they did include more material about the Engineers but what we got was good though.
I'm not sure if I should wait to pick up the Bluray since Prometheus came out with a deluxe edition that had even more extras. I noticed there's no 3D version of Covenant so it's probably a hint that there may be another edition lurking.
Edit: So I did a bit of searching and apparently this movie wasn't released in 3D at all which is surprising. So there may not be a super deluxe edition, I may pick up the Target edition of the bluray, it comes with a sweet booklet.
I watched the two prologue videos after the movie and sort of wished they were in the movie, it would've given a little more context. The first one is a great introduction to the crew, the second one I'm so glad I didn't watch before the movie came out. It would've ruined my enjoyment of the setup of the second half.
Looking back at some of the comments, many are disappointed that the final confrontation was quite short. I'm honestly glad it was that short, it was already echoing the final confrontation in Aliens. I would've liked that the 2nd half of the movie ended on the planet rather than the Covenant but I'm happy either way. Barring a few things here and there, I was incredibly happy with the movie.
Hopefully the final movie(s) in this trilogy has a satisfying conclusion to David's arc.
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I finally got to see it this past weekend. I thought it was pretty good. I didn't find it quite as scary as I thought I would, but that's fine. Overall, I think that is my reaction to it as a whole. It was "fine." It wasn't great. It had flaws. But it was fine for what it was. And I think it ultimately improves on the series as a whole. If we had simply been left with Alien and Aliens, it would have been just about perfect. The mystery of the Aliens' origins didn't NEED to be explained. But starting with 3, the series just went off the rails. By the time we get to Resurrection, many felt it had been ruined. And then by the time we get to Resurrection, I think many felt it was ruined twice over. Ridley's films get it back on track, even if they do feel like the story is taking a BIG step down from the first two films.
As for this film itself, yeah, there are problems. As in Prometheus, the crew did some REALLY stupid things a crew in their situation just doesn't do. We could have still had the same outcome in a more intelligent way, IMO. For example, they stay suited up to protect themselves from whatever unknown dangers a completely unknown and unscouted alien planet might be harboring. But something fairly innocuous happens to where someone's suit is compromised, and the pathogen particles get inside. Boom! Flaw of "crew is stupid by going out into an alien environment unprotected" is fixed. Second, stretch out the timeline a bit so the incubation period from the first and second films lines up. We don't have to see everything in real time. It's okay. But things don't have to happen instantaneously so that we feel rushed and the whole thing ends up feeling too make-believe. Third, either have them not know dude is infected when he gets back inside the drop ship or have it be his significant other with him who emotionally overrides quarantine protocol, or have some other somewhat realistic way that he gets back inside the drop ship other than just stupidly ignoring protocol. I mean, I think Ridley was trying to go for the fact that they were in fact aware of quarantine protocol, but were acting emotionally and "it all happened so fast" because dude was convulsing, etc. But I just didn't feel like it came across well.
As far as the final confrontation, I'm generally with faizoff. It didn't need to be drawn out. But I did have two issues: (1) How did it get on the Covenant to begin with? There was only one. And we saw it die and get spit out by the claw during the whole sequence with Daniels outside. Maybe this was explained in the commentary. I didn't have time to check that out. Anyone have any insight? (2) Daniels and Tennesse knew too much about the xenomorph. If everything had happened as rapid-fire as we saw in the film, they shouldn't have been able to process all the facts about the xenomorph so quickly. The confrontation could have been more realistically haphazard and still have worked just fine.
Anyhow, flaws aside, it was a good film. I really like this comment someone posted here (https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/alien/52105/alien-covenant-what-its-extras-tell-us-about-david-s-antics):
Ridley Scott's Alien prequel films have definitely been flawed so far, but I also find them deeply interesting, both thematically and in the way that they exist as a strange compromise between pure artistic vision and the financial needs of a studio. I understand why people dislike them, and for most of the reasons given, I won't attempt a counter-argument - but for me, both Prometheus and Alien: Covenant have (inadvertently?) ended up being two of the more fascinating science fiction films of the decade so far, and I can't wait to see how Scott concludes the story.
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(1) How did it get on the Covenant to begin with? There was only one. And we saw it die and get spit out by the claw during the whole sequence with Daniels outside. Maybe this was explained in the commentary. I didn't have time to check that out. Anyone have any insight?
Apparently the scene when the mexican guy got a facehugger on his face for 5 seconds (before he got it off) was enough to put an embryo in him (before he got his face burnt). Which feels like a bit of a contradiction to how it went in the original Alien. Why did the facehugger in the original movie have to stay on the face for hours/days when all that was needed was a few seconds to plant the embryo?
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Another thing I read is that when the xenomorph was crushed not all of its body pieces were thrown out and I think with David having experimented so many types, this particular one can regenerate from the other parts. Yup, found it on IMDB trivia.
According to Ridley Scott's director's commentary, the Planet 4 variant of the Xenomorph is able to regenerate from would be fatal injuries like being crushed and dismembered, making it virtually "Indestructible".
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To celebrate the 40th anniversary of Ridley Scott’s groundbreaking sci-fi horror film Alien (1979), six visionary filmmakers were selected to bring their Alien-inspired stories to life. From terrifying escapes, to Facehuggers and Xenomorphs, these captivating shorts brings forth an exciting new narrative for fans while paying homage to the original film.
Alien: 40th Anniversary Shorts | Official Teaser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8C8OPS3avo&fbclid=IwAR3czSt9dl1HerCQOvFZLbAm7sQNwl3EGpRkwdaIeJ80SZK5uLKOallIhiw)
Will definitely check this out!
I'm hoping Blomkamp is one of them.
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Wow, those look pretty good. Hard to tell from just the really short clips. But they all seemed to have the tone and flavor of the first two films at least.
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yeah...i saw that. Looks awesome....can't wait!!
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Holy crap, this movie is 2 years old already?!
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Alien 40th Anniversary Short Film: "Containment" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu_4PgSXbDY)
It's pretty good, I mean it's a celebration of the franchise so nothing original about it. Cool though, looking forward to the other contributions.
Here's some info about the shorts:
With the classic as inspiration, each of these original shorts capture iconic franchise moments and have unleashed the potential of the Alien universe to thrilling new heights.
Alien: Harvest - Directed by Benjamin Howdeshell
The surviving crew of a damaged deep-space harvester have minutes to reach the emergency evacuation shuttle. A motion sensor is their only navigation tool leading them to safety while a creature in the shadows terrorizes the crew. However, the greatest threat might have been hiding in plain sight all along.
Alien: Containment - Written and Directed by Chris Reading
Four survivors find themselves stranded aboard a small escape pod in deep space. Trying to piece together the details around the outbreak that led to their ship’s destruction, they find themselves unsure to trust whether or not one of them might be infected.
Alien: Alone - Written and Directed by Noah Miller
Hope, an abandoned crew member aboard the derelict chemical hauler Otranto, has spent a year trying to keep her ship and herself alive as both slowly fall apart. After discovering hidden cargo, she risks it all to power up the broken ship in search of human life.
Alien: Night Shift - Written and Directed by Aidan Breznick
When a missing space trucker is discovered hungover and disoriented, his co-worker suggests a nightcap as a remedy. Near closing time, they are reluctantly allowed inside the colony supply depot where the trucker’s condition worsens, leaving a young supply worker alone to take matters into her own hands.
Alien: Specimen - Written and Directed by Kelsey Taylor
It’s the night shift in a colony greenhouse, and Julie, a botanist, does her best to contain suspicious soil samples that have triggered her sensitive lab dog. Despite her best efforts the lab unexpectedly goes into full shutdown and she is trapped inside. Little does she know, an alien specimen has escaped the mysterious cargo, and a game of cat and mouse ensues as the creature searches for a host.
Alien: Ore - Written and Directed by the Spear Sisters
As a hard-working miner of a planet mining colony, Lorraine longs to make a better life for her daughter and grandchildren. When her shift uncovers the death of a fellow miner under mysterious circumstances, Lorraine is forced to choose between escape or defying management orders and facing her fears to fight for the safety of her family.
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Finally got around to watching Containment. Pretty neat. Like MrBoom)chack-a-lack says.....there's nothing 'new' about it but it's cool to see some other aspects of 'what ifs' the zenomorph were in this or that situation?
Also, liked how there was another strong character that knew she was dead....no use in lying to herself......and just takes her final moments alive to try and save others rather than waste it on a lost cause to extend her life.