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Title: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2015, 07:45:32 AM
....airs later this month. I figured it warranted it's own thread and below is a link to a review I read this morning. I'm looking forward to the show!


https://www.yahoo.com/tv/fear-the-walking-dead-review-amc-kim-dickens-125933601030.html
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on August 06, 2015, 07:50:48 AM
I was thinking about starting this thread as I was driving into work this morning. I'm excited for this.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2015, 07:57:21 AM
I'm excited for this.

I'm looking forward to see how they differentiate the two shows. I'd think that they would know that is the major issue with trying to pull this off....making it a stand alone show....so my interest is peaked in seeing how they do that. The review says that (at least the first two episodes) does a great job of separating itself from TWD. Even though eventually their world turns in to that one.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on August 06, 2015, 07:59:17 AM
I don't think it will be that hard to differentiate the two show styles early on. The first season or two could easily have a 28 days/weeks vibe.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2015, 08:04:00 AM
The first season or two could easily have a 28 days/weeks vibe.

That would be awesome, an you're right. If done patiently while still making it a cool show they could get a good couple seasons out of 'the beginning' of the outbreak before ultimately having to be in TWD world.

 I love that 28 days/weeks franchise. I've had a 'wish' that they'd release another movie called '28 Months'....just to see what Europe looked like 28 months after that last scene of the swarm of infected storming Paris.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on August 06, 2015, 08:10:33 AM
The first season or two could easily have a 28 days/weeks vibe.

That would be awesome, an you're right. If done patiently while still making it a cool show they could get a good couple seasons out of 'the beginning' of the outbreak before ultimately having to be in TWD world.

 I love that 28 days/weeks franchise. I've had a 'wish' that they'd release another movie called '28 Months'....just to see what Europe looked like 28 months after that last scene of the swarm of infected storming Paris.

I wasn't blown away by 28 Days Later. It dragged a little too long in some spots. 28 Weeks Later was just sick. The scene where the virus gets unleashed in the safe zone (was that in London) was insane. One of my favorite movie scenes of all time.

Fear the Walking Dead could milk the beginning of the plague for several seasons if they wanted to. Heck, they could go 4 or 5 episodes before we even see a walker (looking forward to the name they get) infect a non-walker. I'm really interested to see the direction they take. It could end up being the polar opposite of The Walking Dead. Currently, the walkers are terrifying, but the biggest threat is other humans. Every new group we encounter seems to be a bigger threat than the last. With Fear the Walking Dead, we're going to see humans wanting to stick together while the walkers are still the ultimate threat.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: cramx3 on August 06, 2015, 08:11:31 AM
I plan on watching and agree that at least early on this show should be able to separate itself from TWD, but I do not know where this show ends up once the zombies have fully taken over.  At the end of the day, like TWD, it all comes down to the characters.  The review seems very good in this regard so that gives hope that this show could be very good.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on August 06, 2015, 08:18:23 AM
I plan on watching and agree that at least early on this show should be able to separate itself from TWD, but I do not know where this show ends up once the zombies have fully taken over.  At the end of the day, like TWD, it all comes down to the characters.  The review seems very good in this regard so that gives hope that this show could be very good.

They could make up anything to keep the stories unique enough. For all we know, there could be massive settlements out west with survivors. The deserts out that way would allow humans to separate themselves from danger much more easily than a state in the south. I don't know. Just kind of thinking out loud here.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: cramx3 on August 06, 2015, 08:28:17 AM
Yea definitely possible, the environment in LA alone could lead to different scenarios like you said, but I still think this show will ride off the strength of the characters.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on August 06, 2015, 08:39:53 AM
I know it's a long shot, but I'd love to see the virus evolve. It'd be cool to see early on that the virus just made people irritable (or some other non-threatening side effect) and spread easily, with some people not feeling the effects in any way. Throughout the show, you could see the virus becoming stronger, more deadly, and have a near 100% infection rate. We could see infected people still functioning as humans to a degree, almost like zombie-human hybrids. As time goes on, and the virus begins to adapt its method of survival to the human body, we see the infected acting less human and more zombie like.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Metro on August 06, 2015, 08:46:11 AM
Definitely looking forward of it. As I said in the other thread, I just hope it doesn't get stuck in the same formula as the main show.
On the road -> Find Shelter -> Encounter enemy group -> Lose Shelter -> Back on the road -> Repeat
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2015, 08:57:21 AM
At the end of the day, like TWD, it all comes down to the characters.

Yep. If they can get us hooked on a few key characters (like TWD) invested enough to "care" about their fate....then they could frankly do whatever they wanted.

I just hope it doesn't get stuck in the same formula as the main show.
On the road -> Find Shelter -> Encounter enemy group -> Lose Shelter -> Back on the road -> Repeat

As much as that formula sucks....it's quite honestly the most 'reaslistic' formula for that type of world. I mean....those of us who've read and are up to date on the comic know the progression and story but still....I don't think they'll ever get to the point of kicking their heels up on the porch at the end of the day to plan a vacation. Chaotic is just the way it'll be for them, most likely forever.


I know it's a long shot, but I'd love to see the virus evolve. It'd be cool to see early on that the virus just made people irritable (or some other non-threatening side effect) and spread easily, with some people not feeling the effects in any way. Throughout the show, you could see the virus becoming stronger, more deadly, and have a near 100% infection rate. We could see infected people still functioning as humans to a degree, almost like zombie-human hybrids. As time goes on, and the virus begins to adapt its method of survival to the human body, we see the infected acting less human and more zombie like.

It would be interesting to have the outbreak 'explained' a bit more or for us to understand it's existence rather than leave it for the audience to wonder and interpret. Neat idea about a partially infected person though....could be an avenue to a cure?
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on August 06, 2015, 09:14:21 AM
I haven't decided whether I'll bother with this yet. On one hand, I'm curious as to what they'll do with it, on the other, the main show isn't really a good show anymore. So I'm having trouble deciding if Fear the Walking Dead (...hahahahaa....) is worth my time. I might wait and see what others say.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2015, 09:17:30 AM
the main show isn't really a good show anymore. others say.

You don't like the main show any longer? I think Gimple has done a great job of cleaning up the mess that Mazerra made of it and righting the ship to be more in line and inspired by the comic story. But hey....that's just me. I can see where some would be tired of it though.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on August 06, 2015, 09:22:12 AM
To be fair, the final few episodes of season 5 were actually good. I'm just a bit weary because I thought season 4 sucked so bad, and season 5 had some of the worst moments and episodes of the entire show. If they can just learn to stop dragging some of the stuff they think of out for waaay to long, and keep up the quality that the Alexandria stuff has had, then I might just change my mind. But for me right now, this show is hurting, on it's knees, fighting to get back on it's feet.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2015, 09:35:50 AM
If they can just learn to stop dragging some of the stuff they think of out for waaay to long, and keep up the quality that the Alexandria stuff has had, then I might just change my mind.

For me the solution is simple on this aspect. Cut it from 18 episodes a season to 14. It always seems like there are 3-4 episodes a season that really don't 'do' much for the story or show....just fluff. It'd force them to take advantage of every second of show instead of knowing they have a few buffer episodes they can use...
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: cramx3 on August 06, 2015, 10:39:00 AM
To be fair, the final few episodes of season 5 were actually good. I'm just a bit weary because I thought season 4 sucked so bad, and season 5 had some of the worst moments and episodes of the entire show. If they can just learn to stop dragging some of the stuff they think of out for waaay to long, and keep up the quality that the Alexandria stuff has had, then I might just change my mind. But for me right now, this show is hurting, on it's knees, fighting to get back on it's feet.

I actually agree with this.  I do wonder if this spin off is an attempt to "redo" TWD, fixing the mistakes they made and start anew.  The concept has proven to work (gain an audience and ratings) so if they just fix the characters and remove a lot of the repetitiveness that came after season 2, the show can potentially be a bigger hit. 
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on August 06, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
Woot! Definitely be catching this, especially since the few shows I'm watching right now are about to end so I'm gonna be left with a media void to fill. I'm still very much into the main series, both comic and TV counterpart, so this will be an awesome addition to that universe, I'm always down for more apocalyptic stories, they never get old to me if they're done right and the story is compelling. Following and eagerly awaiting!

I'm not all that worried about differentiation. Also Kirkman is a guy that isn't going to let his comic become tarnished in that way; people have their thoughts about the TV show (as does he, and all of it's not the usual PR-masturbatory shit) but if this thing was just a rehash, he'd shoot it down. I myself have always been interested in other perspectives in the show, especially the collapse of society.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on August 06, 2015, 12:04:41 PM
If they can just learn to stop dragging some of the stuff they think of out for waaay to long, and keep up the quality that the Alexandria stuff has had, then I might just change my mind.

For me the solution is simple on this aspect. Cut it from 18 episodes a season to 14. It always seems like there are 3-4 episodes a season that really don't 'do' much for the story or show....just fluff. It'd force them to take advantage of every second of show instead of knowing they have a few buffer episodes they can use...

I think 10 episodes would do. I posted my own version of how I would change and pace season 5 on page 20 in the main thread, which I still think would've been far better than what we got.

But I hear Fear the Walking Dead's (...hahah oh my god hahah...) first season only has 6 episodes, so that's definetely a good sign.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on August 06, 2015, 12:22:06 PM
I'm surprised Fear the Walking Dead only got 6 episodes. It was already signed up for a second season before they even started filming.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2015, 12:53:44 PM
I'm surprised Fear the Walking Dead only got 6 episodes. It was already signed up for a second season before they even started filming.

I think TWD was the same way?
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on August 06, 2015, 01:03:00 PM
I'm surprised Fear the Walking Dead only got 6 episodes. It was already signed up for a second season before they even started filming.

I think TWD was the same way?

I don't know if they had already agreed to season two when TWD started. Even if they did, the show was still an uncertainty. Based on the success of TWD, I'd think FTWD would be a much safer bet in regards to having a longer first season.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2015, 01:37:02 PM
I'm surprised Fear the Walking Dead only got 6 episodes. It was already signed up for a second season before they even started filming.

I think TWD was the same way?

I don't know if they had already agreed to season two when TWD started. Even if they did, the show was still an uncertainty. Based on the success of TWD, I'd think FTWD would be a much safer bet in regards to having a longer first season.

True. At least 8 episodes which would be a 'half' season I guess.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Metro on August 06, 2015, 01:39:13 PM
I think I heard somewhere that TWD was originally supposed to be just a miniseries lasting one season, and the group would have all died at the CDC when it exploded.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 06, 2015, 01:50:40 PM
I think I heard somewhere that TWD was originally supposed to be just a miniseries lasting one season, and the group would have all died at the CDC when it exploded.

Some people would agree that's when it should have ended  :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: cramx3 on August 06, 2015, 01:51:46 PM
I think I heard somewhere that TWD was originally supposed to be just a miniseries lasting one season, and the group would have all died at the CDC when it exploded.

Some people would agree that's when it should have ended  :lol

:lol never heard that one before, but that would have kind of sucked to end that way.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on August 06, 2015, 02:04:02 PM
I think I heard somewhere that TWD was originally supposed to be just a miniseries lasting one season, and the group would have all died at the CDC when it exploded.

Some people would agree that's when it should have ended  :lol

But then we wouldn't have ever gotten amazing scenes like...

(https://www.laineygossip.com/Content/images/articles/walking%20dead%2007nov11%2003.jpg)
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 06, 2015, 03:59:50 PM
yeah looking forward to seeing my boi Cliff in this what.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on August 24, 2015, 12:45:17 AM
Wow! That was absolutely awesome. I mean, it's definitely a slow burner, but holy shit is the writing truly great! The pacing was for the most part much better than I expected, and the acting is top notch. I hadn't worried about that last part considering that both leads have performed with a pretty steady amount of gravitas in some roles they've done in films in the past, but something about TV can bring out the worst in actors...or the writing, which was my main concern. I'm really, truly surprised at how much I liked that, and it's mostly to do with the script. I suppose my preconceived notions of the show were misplaced, but something about the trailers put me off and they showed the worst of it, I think; I was enthralled with that first episode. Lots of great tension in minimal, mysterious scenes. Awesome horror, mystery, drama blend of genres.

I'm pretty sure this won't change many people's minds if they were ambivalent or against TWD, but for fans, it's going to be a great ride. My only worry is, lest the quality goes down (if it stays where it's at...this is gonna be great), is that in the latter life of the show, it IS going to be the same as TWD and there's nothing that can be done about that. Granted, I'm speaking in formulaic terms; if they keep it stylistically different, it can still have it's own persona. It's just that doing so is gonna be pretty damn tough once you reach that 'total apocalypse' stage. What else is there but zombies and bad people at a certain point? Survival is all that's left and that's pretty clear based on TWD. I've come to like the name as well, like a lot. Just the word Fear changes everything and I like how that's played out in the show itself. Even though it wasn't 'scary' at times per se (though some others it was...a little), it was filled with tension throughout, you can feel that soon everyone will be in fear like Mr. Druggie and Mr. Nerd are. I loved that scene with the knife, that was beautiful. Totally thought it was just another bully thing. It'll be interesting to see where it goes from here. Woot! New show! Haha I've literally got nothing so the fact that I would be watching this even if True Detective or TWD was airing is great. Couchpotatozombie mode.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: faizoff on August 24, 2015, 04:20:59 AM
I liked the pilot quite a lot as well. Had some Resident Evil/28 days later vibe and was a slow burner but very enjoyable. BTW Junkie son is the real son of Stannis the mannis.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on August 24, 2015, 08:35:43 AM
Can't wait to eventually get around to watching this!
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 24, 2015, 08:45:26 AM
I liked the pilot quite a lot as well. Had some Resident Evil/28 days later vibe and was a slow burner but very enjoyable. BTW Junkie son is the real son of Stannis the mannis.

He carried the pilot quite well. Loved how they incorporated the 'junkie' mannerisms to subtly foreshadow the 'walker' walk and mannerisms. The way he walked and twitched as he was/is coming down and now starting to withdraw is the exact same as a 'walker'.

Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on August 24, 2015, 11:00:25 AM
I actually liked it too. Though I may not be as psyched about it as TioJorge.

My favorite of the main people was Nick. Well written character and the actor who played him was actually great. It was pretty interesting to see the beginning of the outbreak.

I've come to like the name as well, like a lot. Just the word Fear changes everything and I like how that's played out in the show itself.

I still think the name is ridiculous. But the episode was good, so it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 24, 2015, 11:21:56 AM
It was pretty interesting to see the beginning of the outbreak.

It seems to have been something viral? They kept alluding to people being sick and having the flu? The downtrodden kid in the counselors office saying the internet had been reporting multiple states with the same things happening. So this appears to have been happening for even a few weeks/month before this show started. The actual 'beginning' or first case(s) still a mystery?

I was assuming Nicks GF OD'd and that turned her into a Walker....so the 'virus' or whatever that turns you to a walker once you're dead had already made it's way into the air and spread.

I was glad that Nick got some vindication by the end of the episode. He was looking pretty nuts to everyone  :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Zantera on August 24, 2015, 11:24:24 AM
I enjoyed the episode, despite feeling some zombie-fatigue. I'll be following at least through S1, and I hope it will deliver.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 24, 2015, 11:31:25 AM
Who's the first 'main' character killed off? By main, I mean....the family we met last night? I'd say the easy one is the X-Wife. I could see them offing the main Dad and leaving the Mom or Nick as the 'main' character. TWD has Rick as the "strong" leader....maybe they switch it up and have the strong character be a woman in this show. 
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on August 24, 2015, 11:45:14 AM
I hope they don't kill Cliff Curtis, I like that guy.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on August 24, 2015, 01:58:59 PM
After reading and watching some reviews, I am very surprised to find that I seem to like the episode more than most. "Slow" and "not intense enough" seems to be the general complaint about it. That is such a common complaint in general about TV and movies, and one I often disagree with. It seems to take very little to bore people these days. I almost always appreciate a good and long build up, if it's well written.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 24, 2015, 04:04:42 PM
I just saw on FB that it broke some ratings record? 

I thought it was enjoyable, enough to make me want to watch the rest of the eps.  I quite liked the slow pace, and I thought it was comparable to the way TWD pilot started where not a lot happens, but you still get a feel for the characters. 
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 24, 2015, 04:08:04 PM
After reading and watching some reviews, I am very surprised to find that I seem to like the episode more than most. "Slow" and "not intense enough" seems to be the general complaint about it. That is such a common complaint in general about TV and movies, and one I often disagree with. It seems to take very little to bore people these days. I almost always appreciate a good and long build up, if it's well written.

Yeah, this series needs the build up. It needs us to care about these characters. TWD had the advantage of already having the graphic novel out and those characters were already established in a way. There was nothing wrong with how they did that episode last night. I'd have complained had they not clued people in on the 'walker' aspect....but the final scenes where his buddy was a walker did it and now it's pretty apparent that things are going to fall apart pretty quickly.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Zantera on August 24, 2015, 04:17:41 PM
The thing is, this was the first episode and it needs to A) set up characters and present them to us, B) set up the virus spreading and the gradual decay of society. It seems like some people expected all out walker-chaos in the first episode, and that would be wrong. What this show has the potential to do, which the original TWD kinda just skipped over is taking its time, showing us how society falls and the virus takes over. With TWD, Rick just wakes up and everything has happened. This time we can see how it starts like a small virus, and ends with chaos on the streets. It's a good thing they didn't rush to get to the walker-stuff. Hopefully all of S1 will be about how the virus grows and how the city becomes overrun.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Zook on August 24, 2015, 04:35:18 PM
I liked the pilot. Great acting too.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 25, 2015, 04:43:20 AM
The first episode was a slow starter, but not in a bad way at all. It NEEDED to be slow, to establish the characters properly and set up real lives, and to hint at what's to come without going all out, otherwise it defeats the purpose of being a prequel spinoff at all. I don't want to see a bunch of hardened badasses running around shooting zombies' brains out yet, I want to see normal people have to deal with a society crumbling into chaos as they learn what's happening to people. The show delivered that well imo.
The junkie son was definitely the best used character at this point, don't really care for anyone much yet.
Once it got to the highway zombie scene, it all started to come together, and I thought overall it was pretty good.

Did anyone else find it funny that of the two main black guys in the episode, one got killed and turned, and the other is missing and likely dead too? I joked about it throughout the episode, and it happened. The black curse continues!
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 25, 2015, 04:47:39 AM
Did anyone else find it funny that of the two main black guys in the episode, one got killed and turned, and the other is missing and likely dead too? I joked about it throughout the episode, and it happened. The black curse continues!

Yo.  The scene with the daughter and her boyfriend on the floodlights, I was like, "he's gonna die, and she's going to prison tat that drawing on to her skin". 

I'll be honest I didn't expect Cal to die, although I thought it was pretty clear that he was dodgy.  Maybe subconsciously I was thinking "nah there's already one black guy set to die". 
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 25, 2015, 09:05:58 AM
Did anyone else find it funny that of the two main black guys in the episode, one got killed and turned, and the other is missing and likely dead too? I joked about it throughout the episode, and it happened. The black curse continues!

Yo.  The scene with the daughter and her boyfriend on the floodlights, I was like, "he's gonna die, and she's going to prison tat that drawing on to her skin". 

I'll be honest I didn't expect Cal to die, although I thought it was pretty clear that he was dodgy.  Maybe subconsciously I was thinking "nah there's already one black guy set to die".

and the previews pretty clearly showed the Principal turned walker....as he was walking towards the main chic.....although it was a shot from behind you could tell it was him.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on August 25, 2015, 09:10:31 AM
Yeah, I'd call that a spoiler, please avoid saying what happens in the previews.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 25, 2015, 09:15:49 AM
Yeah, I'd call that a spoiler, please avoid saying what happens in the previews.

small fonted it. I figured it was on the previews so it wasn't much of a spoiler. sorry  :(
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Metro on August 25, 2015, 09:29:05 AM
I love that they're taking their time showing the world falling apart. I was expecting the shit to hit the fan within the first episode. What I love about this take on the universe, and what separates it from the main show, is we get to see the transformation of the characters rather than them showing up several months into the apocalypse and already deranged.
A normal, seemingly mundane character we've seen already could come back later as a major antagonist.
Similarly, a character that seems like they could be the alpha in their survival group could be one of the first to die.
I'm expecting a Ned Stark-esque situation(GoT fans will get what I mean.)

Overall, I'm excited to see how this series pans out.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 25, 2015, 09:38:52 AM
I'm expecting a Ned Stark-esque situation(GoT fans will get what I mean.)

as am I. There's (6) episodes so I'm thinking around episode 4 or 5.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 25, 2015, 01:17:27 PM
10.1 Million viewers......Cable Ratings Record.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 06:31:45 AM
Watched it last night and enjoyed it.  Very solid story telling in this, much better than TWD IMO.  Good actings and characters.  A bit slow, but I expect that for season/show openers, need to have some build up.   
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: faizoff on August 30, 2015, 08:03:29 PM
Solid episode I thought, just building and increasing tension. Sucks that we have to wait another 2 weeks due to labor day next weekend.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 31, 2015, 08:19:54 AM
Solid episode I thought, just building and increasing tension. Sucks that we have to wait another 2 weeks due to labor day next weekend.

Aw man, that sucks.

I thought this episode kept up a good pace, and was much better than the first episode (which I already thought was pretty good). They managed to make it really interesting while actually showing relatively little. This episode was a great indication that they can make a compelling show about society crumbling without going all out with walkers, and hopefully they should be able to get plenty of mileage out of it before it catches up to where TWD started. I like the chaos and panic, and seeing the slow transition from normal society to the post-apocalyptic setting we're more familiar with.

Another black guy down, but it looks like last week's black guy still has a little bit to go.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: faizoff on August 31, 2015, 09:05:37 AM
Yup my thoughts exactly, I think they're going a great job so far for the exact reasons you mentioned.

Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on August 31, 2015, 10:02:32 AM
Honestly great episode. This show is surprising me.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 31, 2015, 01:26:47 PM
Yea have to say the show caught my attention more than I thought, atleast after the last episode. I like that you see more of the actual outbreak, riots, anarchy and so on. Like the characters especially Nick, some good acting. Although i'm already a bit annoyed at Alicia, the teenage daughter.  :lol She reminded me of Dana (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4aeibd1Rrc) from Homeland.

Have there been any talk about a possible future crossover with TWD, I would love that but I have no problem seeing that after a couple of seasons.


Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Metro on August 31, 2015, 02:09:17 PM
Have there been any talk about a possible future crossover with TWD, I would love that but I have no problem seeing that after a couple of seasons.

I doubt it. TWD is at least 2 years into the apocalypse whereas the apocalypse is just now starting in FTWD. I'm sure we'll at least hear a reference to D.C./Alexandria Safe-Zone, but LA -> D.C. is certainly a much longer journey than Atlanta -> D.C. A journey that they can't just skim through in 1 or 2 episodes. If they did ever make that journey, they would most likely stay in D.C, thus merging the 2 shows into one, which defeats the purpose of the spin-off, which is showing a different side of the apocalypse completely separate from the characters we've been following for 5 years.


Though I have heard rumors of a certain forgotten character from the main show making an appearance on FTWD...
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 31, 2015, 02:38:05 PM
Though I have heard rumors of a certain forgotten character from the main show making an appearance on FTWD...

small font me that rumor.....curious I am
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Post by: Metro on August 31, 2015, 03:35:52 PM
Though I have heard rumors of a certain forgotten character from the main show making an appearance on FTWD...

small font me that rumor.....curious I am

Remember Morales from season 1? I've heard rumors that he showed up on the set of FTWD. Just rumors though, no pics or anything so it could be BS.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on August 31, 2015, 04:38:40 PM
Though I have heard rumors of a certain forgotten character from the main show making an appearance on FTWD...

small font me that rumor.....curious I am

Remember Morales from season 1? I've heard rumors that he showed up on the set of FTWD. Just rumors though, no pics or anything so it could be BS.

Interesting....it'd be neat to see them bridge the two shows, even with a 'smaller' character like that
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 31, 2015, 06:37:24 PM
Good episode.  God these kids are annoying!
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 31, 2015, 10:21:37 PM
Good episode.  God these kids are annoying!

The dude's son is really annoying so far, although the woman's two kids are fine to me.
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Post by: BlackInk on August 31, 2015, 10:44:33 PM
The kids are a bit annoying, but that's only because NO ONE TELLS THEM WHAT'S GOING ON. Seriously, the dumb decisions the kids make aren't even their fault, no one ever explains what's going on to them. That's my one problem with the episode.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 31, 2015, 11:03:01 PM
It makes a bit of sense though. The parents don't even fully know what's going on yet, and not only want to protect them from physical harm, but maybe the emotional harm of knowing they could get fed upon.

Or maybe the parents are just dicks who don't respect their kids. :P

The episode was frantic enough that it doesn't bother me yet.
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Post by: TioJorge on August 31, 2015, 11:09:56 PM
Okay, the stupidity had me a bit irritated this episode, but I suppose I can believe that they'd be shocked and not thinking as we are in terms of 'Okay, these are reanimated corpses and the disease is spreading". It's tough to think that way since the zombie genre has taken the populace by storm. But still a really great episode, I am really loving the drug addict, he seems to be the most grounded character thus far. This isn't to say that I 'like' him the most, especially since this is coming from a recovered addict; but other than that personal connection, he really seems to be the one that speaks for the viewer. The line about people not paying attention and being blind was the moment hammer hit nail for me.

Other than that, I'm really rooting for the sister and the mother to have horribly revolting deaths, and am still holding out for Mr. Smiley to go all gangster and revert back to his Training Day character.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 31, 2015, 11:14:27 PM
Also keep in mind that the characters of TWD are completely genre-blind, unlike every other movie/show in the genre, so they're really slow on the uptake.

For that reason, I hope the little fat kid sticks around for a while. Of course he's fat and slow, so I'm sure he'll be a feast for some lucky walker soon enough.
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Post by: TioJorge on August 31, 2015, 11:28:48 PM
Yeah, I kind of worded it weird, that's what I meant by saying that they're not thinking that they're zombies at all; you said it better: genre-blind.

But yes, I totally forgot to mention Tobias! That dude is gonna be a badass, I hope; I liked him from the start. Indeed, he's a chubby little nerd but damn if he isn't the one I'd have my money on aside from the druggie. First one we saw that is calm, collected, and knew what was happening from day 0. I liked the mention of the internet. Surely that is how word would spread in this day and age aside from the obvious seeing it happening and/or being unfortunate enough to be near ground zero.

All in all though, I'm really digging the slower pace, the tension, and the all around unfolding of the outbreak. Really cool to see these characters and not know and/or hope (or root against) that they're just as brutal, badass and pure survival, feral motherfuckers like Rick and co. I can seriously see Travis being like his Training Day character and just being a gangster devil.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 31, 2015, 11:34:40 PM
I hope that Tobias lasts at least till the end of the season. He's the first character in the show with any major awareness of the situation, so he'll be useful to keep the characters and audience aware of what's happening. But as soon as they have to actually run from a bunch of walkers, he's zombie food. :lol

It does seem that society is crumbling really fast, but hopefully not too fast. I want to see more of everyday life going south, and perhaps learn a bit more of the backstory of the outbreak from what they see on TV and the internet.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 01, 2015, 02:51:36 AM
It makes a bit of sense though. The parents don't even fully know what's going on yet, and not only want to protect them from physical harm, but maybe the emotional harm of knowing they could get fed upon.

Yeah, obviously the parents can't be like "there's a zombie outbreak, kids", but at least explaing to the daughter what they've seen, that those who get sick will become aggressive and try to eat you, might have made her understand that going back to her boyfriend maybe isn't the best idea. Same thing with Travis' ex and son, he could just explain what he has seen and avoid the whole silly "settlement" misunderstanding and later the son's objections at the riot.

And if it were my kids, I think I'd risk emotional damage if the alternative is that they might get eaten alive. That's a silly thing to leave to chance in my mind.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 01, 2015, 02:54:51 AM
I agree entirely, I just figured that was the characters' justification. It bugged me when he phoned his ex and didn't just explain what he was calling for.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 01, 2015, 02:56:19 AM
The kids are a bit annoying, but that's only because NO ONE TELLS THEM WHAT'S GOING ON. Seriously, the dumb decisions the kids make aren't even their fault, no one ever explains what's going on to them. That's my one problem with the episode.

That was really annoying too.


Good episode.  God these kids are annoying!


The dude's son is really annoying so far, although the woman's two kids are fine to me.

I thought the daughter was annoying, how she was about to leave the house.  That was one of those "yeah go on, go you stupid bitch I hope you get eaten" moments.  She could turn out to be this show's Andrea.  Ugh.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 01, 2015, 03:22:06 AM
I agree entirely, I just figured that was the characters' justification. It bugged me when he phoned his ex and didn't just explain what he was calling for.
Yea I thought the exact same thing during that scene however I do know that feeling when your talking to someone on mobile and you realize that explaining something over phone can be tricky especially if the person your talking to have no idea what the hell your talking about, much easier to explain face to face is what i'm trying to say which he of course didn't do either though so yea  :lol well until later that is.
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Post by: kaos2900 on September 01, 2015, 11:40:32 AM
So is this show worth watching? I've heard mixed things and I'm on the fence. I don't know if I could handle another show with annoying children. Plus I don't see where the story could go that the original hasn't already touched.
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Post by: mike099 on September 01, 2015, 11:46:13 AM
Yes, the show is worth watching.  I really like the drug addict kid and the overweight kid.  He is going to have to learn how to kill if he is going to make it.
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Post by: Rattlehead on September 01, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
It's definitely worth watching if you are into this genre. It may not have gotten off to as good a start as TWD did, but I'm still more excited about the show because I'm pretty tired of TWD all together.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 03, 2015, 02:56:02 PM
finally watched the episode and I'm enjoying the slow burn of it all. Especially because you 'know' where this is going but watching them figure it out is neat.
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Post by: faizoff on September 04, 2015, 05:53:27 AM
Also the fact that all or most zombie movies or shows are set in a world where there is no such thing as the concept of zombies makes it more compelling.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 07, 2015, 10:25:40 AM
Dammit, was looking forward to the next episode last night. Arrgh!
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 07, 2015, 10:26:50 AM
Me too! Completely forgot it wasn't on and got myself all excited to see the next episode. :(
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 07, 2015, 05:10:24 PM
Yeah that was shit, why wasn't it on?
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Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2015, 10:59:07 AM
Yeah that was shit, why wasn't it on?

It was an American holiday weekend, traditionally many "new" episodes do not air on such weekends.  I used the evening to catch up to last weeks episode.  I thought it was good, but I'm surprised how quickly it's spreading.  Obviously if it were in real life, it would spread quickly too, but I think I just thought the show would be more slow paced about life before and just at the moment of infection, looks like everything is starting to go down already in the show.
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Post by: Progmetty on September 10, 2015, 08:51:16 PM
I think that kid Tobias has seen the original TWD show, it's ridiculous how spot on he is from our perspective :lol
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Post by: TioJorge on September 11, 2015, 10:44:14 AM
It was cool seeing him still freak out and completely fail in trying to take a down the principal. I was thinking that it'd be weird if he just took it down like a badass and am glad that despite his knowledge, he's still a newbie like everyone else at this point in the game.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 11, 2015, 10:46:19 AM
This past week I watched the first episode of this and the first episode of The Walking Dead. 

Am I safe?
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Post by: Big Hath on September 11, 2015, 11:08:36 AM
from the zombies?  You're gonna need a weapon.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 11, 2015, 12:03:28 PM
How about this?

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/gau-8_zps1caf1294.jpg)
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 11, 2015, 12:24:40 PM
This past week I watched the first episode of this and the first episode of The Walking Dead. 

Am I safe?

I'm assuming you know the premise of FTWD. It's that time period of when Rick went into a coma until he came out. The two shows are separate entities so I don't think watching them at the same time will hurt.....heck, it may even been a bit more neat that way.
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Post by: Big Hath on September 11, 2015, 12:47:46 PM
How about this?

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/gau-8_zps1caf1294.jpg)

actually you'll need something more precise.  the kill rate on that gun would be way too low and you'll eventually run out of ammo.  It's also not very maneuverable so if you had to get away fast, you lose your gun.  And it is probably REALLY LOUD.  You'll end up drawing more of them to you.


Rifle/pistol or some reusable blade or projectile weapon would probably be better.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 11, 2015, 02:02:50 PM
 :tup
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 11, 2015, 07:32:47 PM
nevermind
 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 14, 2015, 08:31:32 AM
Pretty good episode, I still just worry they're moving very fast. Society is falling pretty quickly even by episode 3. I wonder how they'll end the first season, maybe with the city getting nuked, or the final breakdown of society.

I love that the kid is still wearing the old gramps clothes after all of this time. It's working for him. :lol
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Post by: Big Hath on September 14, 2015, 10:29:37 AM
Pretty good episode, I still just worry they're moving very fast.

yeah, it's like they're doing a live action "that escalated quickly" meme/gif.  Seems like they could show a lot more interesting/cool things going on before they got to the point where they are now.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 14, 2015, 11:43:47 AM
The monopoly scene was a it weird, otherwise it was another good episode. I liked how the riot made it so that no one even noticed the zombie outbreak happening all around them.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 14, 2015, 01:13:18 PM
Good episode. I atleast are so damn desensitized of zombie killing in TWD at this point so I like that the zombies and riots are actually scary and you can feel the tension of them watching society falling apart.

I agree though that stuff are happening pretty quickly.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 14, 2015, 01:28:18 PM
Oh, and the scene when they were watching the lights go out across the city was pretty powerful. It lost some of its impact though when the light came back on a few times afterwards, but it was still a cool scene.
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Post by: Big Hath on September 14, 2015, 02:19:05 PM
Oh, and the scene when they were watching the lights go out across the city was pretty powerful. It lost some of its impact though when the light came back on a few times afterwards, but it was still a cool scene.

yeah, a shot like that should have been that "yep, there goes the power.  Forever." moment.


This early in the zombie "invasion", what would be causing the outages?  Somebody dying at the power plant?  Are zombies just going to walk right up to a plant or power transformers or substations and cause outages that soon?
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 14, 2015, 09:26:30 PM
I wondered the same thing about the power outages. I figured it had more to do with the rioting and looting and general panic rather than walkers specifically. The riots hit a power station, and the workers, flee so it doesn't get fixed immediately. Best I could come up with.
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Post by: Big Hath on September 14, 2015, 09:38:15 PM
I wondered the same thing about the power outages. I figured it had more to do with the rioting and looting and general panic rather than walkers specifically. The riots hit a power station, and the workers, flee so it doesn't get fixed immediately. Best I could come up with.

yeah, possibly, although my guess is that those are mostly off the beaten path and you would have to really want the power to go out to get to it.
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Post by: TioJorge on September 14, 2015, 09:39:26 PM
Pretty cool episode. Although I literally screamed 'fucking idiots' at the tv when the mom/daughter/son left the back door wide fuckin' open RIGHT AFTER seeing a walker. Even not knowing it was a walker, a stumbling bloody dude is close to your backyard, you're all freaked out, and you're gonna leave the door wide open...okay...maybe they forgot in a panic. Except no line of 'oops' or 'damn!' when they saw it...just, like..."mkay...yeah...the doors open...the guy is inside". That made me cringe so fuckin' much. Honestly, aside from the old man whose not in the family, every other person on this show is exhibiting a vast unawareness and immense stupidity in some form. Even disregarding their complete ignorance of the actual state of affairs, it's common sense shit that tends to turn me way off and take me out of the fantasy.

Other than that, I couldn't agree more on the power-outage scene, awesome stuff and really cool music to go along with it. I'm loving the soundtrack and direction of the show. If the characters can wake the fuck up and become a lot smarter, I'll be less worried for the show's future. I'd say it's nitpicky...but it's really not...that is absolutely a purely fuckin' stupid move even for an adolescent. There were a few really, really bad moments in character choices that make them seem like inbred halfwits when they clearly are not (well...except for the whiney son, the one who isn't a druggie...). Eh. We'll see.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 03:11:15 AM
yeah, definitely had the same level of frustration at the characters as Tio pointed out.  I guess its just remembering that these guys have never seen TWD so don't know any better :P
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Post by: Zantera on September 15, 2015, 03:41:26 AM
Yeah leaving the back door open like that was really dumb. I was baffled through that entire scene though, because they spotted a single walker out in the street.. and their reaction was to leave their house (which was safe!) to run to their neighbors house (which they didn't know if it was safe or not). Sure, maybe the neighbors did have a weapon, but if they had just stayed inside their own house the entire time, they wouldn't have needed the weapon and the walker would just have wandered down the street. :P
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Post by: mike099 on September 15, 2015, 11:40:32 AM
I look forward to seeing how they work Tobias back into the action.
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Post by: TioJorge on September 15, 2015, 12:28:47 PM
Right, leaving the house in of itself is stupid but then the door thing almost made me turn the TV off...almost.

Yes! I really, really hope they don't just leave Tobias out, he and the badass old man are the only ones right now I give a shit about. Well, and the drug addict, but even he hasn't shown any type of actual use other than not being a dumbass and claiming that 'they're dead', which was also a pretty cool scene.
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Post by: Progmetty on September 16, 2015, 03:49:11 PM
I liked the episode a lot, I like Travis, Madison and the drug addict kid. I dunno if the actor is doing it on purpose but I feel like his whole acting style very closely resembles Johnny Depp's, in the first two episode I thought it was just cause they kinda look alike to me but in this third episode the scene when the girl with the doll waived good bye to him through the window; his reaction was very Depp-like.
Other thing is that I've read somewhere that the second season of Fear is going to feature the virus spreading inside an aeroplane and I think we just saw the aeroplane in question swerving in the air towards the end of the episode, just a guess.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 16, 2015, 05:56:07 PM
^ definitely.  He's a dead ringer for Depp in terms of appearance, and acting style. 

That would be a cool connection if that was the case with the aeroplane.
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Post by: TioJorge on September 16, 2015, 11:48:03 PM
Yes, Proggy, that'd be awesome and I was really surprised when they didn't show anything else in that scene. I was absolutely sure that after hearing how the plane sounded and seeing it swerve erratically like that, there'd be a huge boom soon after but...nothing. So it'd be neat if they saved it for later.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 16, 2015, 11:51:53 PM
I was also expecting a huge boom. WHERE'S MY BOOM?

Seeing a zombie turn situation on a plane would be amazing. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, and shooting a gun is risky.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 17, 2015, 12:56:35 AM
I dunno if the actor is doing it on purpose but I feel like his whole acting style very closely resembles Johnny Depp's, in the first two episode I thought it was just cause they kinda look alike to me but in this third episode the scene when the girl with the doll waived good bye to him through the window; his reaction was very Depp-like.
Yea it's definitely something i've noticed but I was unsure if I felt that just because their similar appearance.
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Post by: Zook on September 17, 2015, 02:28:27 AM
I was also expecting a huge boom. WHERE'S MY BOOM?

Seeing a zombie turn situation on a plane would be amazing. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, and shooting a gun is risky.

Eh, turned out OK for Brad Pitt. :neverusethis:
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Post by: BlackInk on September 17, 2015, 09:10:52 AM
The plane scene in World War Z was pretty intense. Those zombies were more suited for that situation though, given how fast they were and how quickly they turned.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 18, 2015, 08:40:02 PM
I was also expecting a huge boom. WHERE'S MY BOOM?

Seeing a zombie turn situation on a plane would be amazing. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, and shooting a gun is risky.

Well then....here ya' go!!!

https://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/28/walking-dead-airline


Finally had a chance to see the last episode. I really think the 'Dad' is going to be the first one of the group to get munched up by a Walker. He's refusing to admit what's going down as where the Mom already knows the deal it seems. I'm a little confused as to why that truck wasn't looted like the rest of the cars in the street....when they showed up to get in and leave it's just sitting there all nice and ready. Anyway....I think it's a solid show thus far.
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Post by: Zantera on September 21, 2015, 11:05:32 AM
Did nobody watch Ep4 yet? :P
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 21, 2015, 11:28:04 AM
Did nobody watch Ep4 yet? :P

yep. I like how curious and feisty the Mom is. She seems like she's already figured out where this is all headed. The Dad is clueless and still thinks the world will be ok. The whole relocation of anyone sick or questionable was a typical military move and I guess in the absence of having the Walkers to be the main 'enemy', a big evil army is one way to have some sort of feud going.

I still can't figure out why that kid would change back into the old man clothes after he's been home for over a week....swam, all sorts of stuff and he's still sporting the old man clothes?

I'm maintaining the Dad is the first one of that group that gets eaten alive in front of everyone....probably be in the finale.
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Post by: Zantera on September 21, 2015, 11:34:28 AM
I dunno, I thought that the ending with Travis was powerful and signaled that maybe finally he is starting to question things more. I also think the confrontation and the military taking Nick will also affect them. I would say the daughter feels the most useless so far, but her relationship with her brother does open up some doors to explore their fairly interesting connection.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 21, 2015, 12:00:12 PM
I dunno, I thought that the ending with Travis was powerful and signaled that maybe finally he is starting to question things more. I also think the confrontation and the military taking Nick will also affect them. I would say the daughter feels the most useless so far, but her relationship with her brother does open up some doors to explore their fairly interesting connection.

Yeah ya know, you're right about Travis and the end. It did look like he'd turned a corner. The daughter may end up being one of the mainstays it seems. She's level headed and able to adapt pretty quick.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 21, 2015, 01:56:33 PM
I liked the episode, despite a meh first few minutes. The kid with the camera on the roof dropped some really wonky exposition. He might as well have been talking directly to a camera. He did, but you know what I mean. The time jump was a bit awkward as well at first, but that feeling went away as the episode moved along.

The scene when Nick got taken was really cool. And I also don't get what everyone's problem is with Travis. His reactions are perfectly logical and realistic to me.

Maddy however... Her cutting the fense and sneaking out was probably the stupidest moment in this show so far for me. I didn't actually say "what the hell are you doing?", but I was thinking it really really loudly. But whatever, nice way to give some info to the audience yo.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on September 21, 2015, 02:05:24 PM
And I also don't get what everyone's problem is with Travis. His reactions are perfectly logical and realistic to me.

I don't have a problem with him....his actions do seem on par with how a responsible Father/Husband would be acting. I just think he's going to be the first 'big' death of the series....probably in the finale.
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Post by: Zantera on September 21, 2015, 05:06:00 PM
I think a lot of people's hate for Travis is because he plays that naive character who has a hard time grasping what's happening and still believes things can be reversed. It's very easy as a viewer of a tv-show to hate that character, because we as an audience knows that once you become a walker, you're screwed, but the characters don't know that. I think if a zombie apocalypse were to happen in real life, a lot of us would be in that denial stage and hoping for the best instead of accepting the harsh truth. I think Travis is one of the most human characters and has reactions fairly close to what a lot of people would have, but because we as an audience are so used to zombies and know how they work (as well as having seen 5 seasons of Walking Dead by now), we expect the characters to be all out beast-mode and just killing people left and right.

The two parts that are the most important I think: 1. This is still NEW to the group, and the characters have just been thrown into something they don't fully understand yet. (unlike the gang in the normal TWD, who have lived with walkers for a long time) 2. So far this is taking place at home. Seeing your neighbors turn into something you don't fully understand, the people you greet every day, I can understand why he would have a hard time accepting how bad things are.

"Hope is the last thing that abandons you" is a pretty good phrase. Once you accept that the world has fallen and there will never be a zombie-free peaceful life again, you're not the same person anymore. Hoping for the best and not wanting to accept the worst is logical.
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Post by: mike099 on September 21, 2015, 07:06:37 PM
It was hard to watch the old man struggle when Nick took his IV.  Shows what a drug addict will do for the fix.  Any chance the person signaling from the window is Tobias?

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Post by: BlackInk on September 22, 2015, 12:08:43 AM
If it was he'd be dead now, so most likely not.

And yeah, lots of people seem to have problems with the characters knowing less than them. Like reviewers and stuff getting annoyed. I just don't get that, is it really so hard to imagine or adjust to? Even with 5 seasons of the main show, I don't get the negative reactions to the characters not being walker killing machine badass people.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on September 22, 2015, 01:24:18 AM
I have absolutely no problem with the characters and their thoughts on the walkers and the situation at hand. My problem is with everyday fucking logic: leaving a door wide open with danger right around the corner; actively putting yourself in harm's way for a fleeting, minute amount of information given by a kid; etc. so on and so forth. That said, this episode, with exception to Madison doing the aforementioned and putting herself in harm's way for a flickering light (that ended up being a moot point by the end of the episode), this episode did a really great job portraying what would most likely occur...it's not as if the military would just up and crumble against some slow, stumbling monsters that merely need a good head-shot. Many people (I'm mainly thinking of other forums and my real life friends) seemed to have this huge problem with the episode not having any zombies and I think that's moronic. The creators already let us know this would be a slow burner and it wouldn't be so quick to go into apocalypse mode. I really liked the episode overall and as others have said, the ending sequence of the army and this doctor taking these people to 'save' them was great.

I'm pretty sure everyone who was taken is fucked with the exception of Nick. I really hope they keep him around as he's my favorite character thus far, not because of his character, but I think his acting is the most concise and well developed; but he's also the most interesting to me. All in all I think this season is setting up something big at the end even though it may not be the finale some dipshits are hoping for. I think it'll still be fun and set up for a hopefully great S2. I personally like the slow burn; it's giving the show a chance to flesh out the characters and develop them a bit more before jumping into some inevitable action, even if it isn't all that much. Good episode overall, especially since not one walker was shown; and I'm kind of glad they didn't show any because it does make it feel a bit more realistic that way. Surely there'd be quarnantine zones, safe-zones, and other areas of relative peace before shit starts to really crumble, if ever so slow (rather, slower than expected for some) until the moment when the shit truly hits the fan.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 22, 2015, 02:48:40 AM
The scene with the daughter and her boyfriend on the floodlights, I was like, "he's gonna die, and she's going to prison tat that drawing on to her skin". 

nailed it
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2015, 07:55:04 AM
The scene with the daughter and her boyfriend on the floodlights, I was like, "he's gonna die, and she's going to prison tat that drawing on to her skin". 

nailed it

Likewise. :lol

I liked this episode, and how they feel like things are being taken care of, when it feels more like shades of the far gone isolated societies we've seen in TWD instead. I still worry that things are moving too fast, but I enjoyed it, and every episode has felt quite different, which makes it less predictable.

The junkie kid is still the most interesting character, and I was kind of hoping he'd get taken away just so that we'd see what was happening to the people who got taken away (My first guess is they're getting the old yeller treatment). Obviously I don't want him to die or anything though.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: The Trooper on September 23, 2015, 11:53:10 AM
I will probably catch flack, but I was really not thrilled with episode 4. To much scattered scenes. Just felt there are too many subplots and no real connection.  I really liked the first three episodes and hope the remaining 2 have promise.

That said the daughter is smoking hot :metal
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 23, 2015, 01:41:15 PM
I didn't care much for it either, really.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on September 23, 2015, 01:47:48 PM
It was my least favorite episode so far, but I've really enjoyed the start of the series so that isn't saying all that much. Speaking of the episode alone, I enjoyed it. But yeah, as far as comparisons, it was definitely the slowest and most fragmented. But I can see what they're trying to do with setting up a bigger scheme and developing a rift between the main cast, which I appreciated. The last two episodes will hopefully amp up the drama and a bit more action (though again, I'm not expecting anything too crazy). It'll be cool to see Nick in one horrible situation and the rest in another horrible situation.  :lol I'm pretty sure Nick is going to have it the worst though...who knows what kind of concrete hell they'll going to. I'll betcha dollars to doughnuts Nick is going to see the outbreak first. It'd make sense it'll happen in a hospital and/or some kind of quarantine.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Big Hath on September 23, 2015, 01:59:15 PM
That said the daughter is smoking hot :metal

no problem with that statement, but I want to see more Ofelia!
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on September 23, 2015, 03:07:36 PM
That bitch is so dead, mark my words. Probably before the end of S1, but I will be flabbergasted if she makes it into or past S2.  :lol I can feel it. My character-death-senses tingle whilst looking at her...or...maybe....that's something else. EITHER WAY!
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: The Trooper on September 23, 2015, 03:08:55 PM
That said the daughter is smoking hot :metal

no problem with that statement, but I want to see more Ofelia!
oh I would ofelia her
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 28, 2015, 10:05:30 AM
Thought that was a really good episode last night. Loved how they showed the deterioration of the Military, the moral and the command aspect of it and getting that insight into the triage area was need also. I loved that new character they introduced in the detaining cell.....at first I thought he was part of the government just hassling people but alas....he's just a dude who already has it figured out.

Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 28, 2015, 10:12:15 AM
Thought that was a really good episode last night. Loved how they showed the deterioration of the Military, the moral and the command aspect of it and getting that insight into the triage area was need also. I loved that new character they introduced in the detaining cell.....at first I thought he was part of the government just hassling people but alas....he's just a dude who already has it figured out.



With a voice smooth as butter. I'm interested to see what he does with Nick.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on September 28, 2015, 10:24:12 AM
Didn't love this episode. Felt messy. But there were some things I liked. What comes to mind first is Alicia and Chris trashing the rich family's place. That was cool.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on September 28, 2015, 12:34:23 PM
Also, I don't like Daniel anymore. They seem to be trying to make him this hardened badass, but in this episode he was just plain unlikable. He always was a little, but more than usual here. And if he intentionally let out all the infected in the arena I might just facepalm myself to death, come back as a walker, then facepalm myself to death again. I've given the characters here a lot of slack for not knowing the whole story, but opening those doors are just such a plainly bad idea that I can't look past that. We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on September 28, 2015, 12:53:11 PM
I'm not so sure they were trying to make him seem 'badass', I actually got exactly what you did, and don't like him as much (although I don't dislike the character); but I thought they were intentionally revealing his darker, true self. Especially with the story of him during war and telling his young child all the gory details. He's clearly very fucked up, and to me that's what they were trying to show, not that he was 'hardened'...I mean, which he is, just in a really bad way. As you said, he went from being stern yet caring to cold and calculating. I like that type of character development though, he's got a really evil side that we didn't see before, and that story as well as the torture scenes brought that to the surface.

I really enjoyed the episode a lot, especially whenever the main dad (I can't remember certain character's names for shit  :lol ) was going to shoot the walker and then couldn't simply because of the name-tag and 'realizing' (remembering) that they were once human. I really think that he's the weakest character so far and yet I don't think he'll be one of the initial characters to die. I really loved the ending scene and...again, I'm not so sure that he's going to open the gates; I think he just wanted to confirm if the soldier was lying, or if there was anything to see, etc. But man...if he does, then yeah, the character is full on fucked in every fashion. At this point, he's really messed up and skewed, morally deranged, but he still seems to want to protect his loved ones, albiet in a very violent way with no regard for those he doesn't love. If he does that though, it's all gone. However, I didn't see that at all...he looked scared shitless.

I'm excited for the finale! I think this was a pretty great start and I really enjoyed the slower exposition. People seem to be thinking that things went to shit quicker than expected but I don't think they realize that...we've seen a minute, tiny little portion of not even the state, but the city alone. I'm betting that once they inevitably get the fuck out of there at the end of the finale (nice parallels to the end of the first season), they'll find that there are pockets of areas that haven't felt the impact as much as this area. I'm sure the bigger cities are fucked by now and/or are about to collapse completely, but it'll be interesting to see if they do any time skips, or show areas that are blinded to it, etc. But the scene with the main dad sitting in the army vehicle while listening to the radio was pretty powerful and kind of lifted the veil on the whole 'there's nothing out there' shtick. That was another great scene. I'm excited to see what the finale and season 2 brings us.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 28, 2015, 01:02:23 PM
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I didn't get that feeling at all, for me he just seemed to be in need to be sure the Marine told the truth. Maybe i'm missing something though.
Ok so i'm eating my own words right now Oumm nam nam. Turns out he did open the arena after all although I get why.


Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on September 28, 2015, 01:18:29 PM
No, you may very well be right. I just had the feeling for a second that that's what he would do, and that if he did that, it'd be really stupid. I do think those doors will come open somehow though, I don't think they'd take the time to show the doors and tell the story of how it happened and exactly what's behind them if it wasn't going to lead somewhere.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 28, 2015, 01:19:44 PM
That we can agree, would be one stupid move.  :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 28, 2015, 01:58:23 PM
No, you may very well be right. I just had the feeling for a second that that's what he would do, and that if he did that, it'd be really stupid. I do think those doors will come open somehow though, I don't think they'd take the time to show the doors and tell the story of how it happened and exactly what's behind them if it wasn't going to lead somewhere.

Yeah, those doors are going to burst open at some point. Like you said....they'd not have told the story or shown them if they didn't have plans to have them get opened or the Walkers inside to burst through.

Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Progmetty on September 28, 2015, 08:25:42 PM
I feel bad for Daniel's inability to converse, answer questions, make statements or express opinions without telling a fucking story, must be difficult to live like that.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 28, 2015, 08:45:40 PM
I feel bad for Daniel's inability to converse, answer questions, make statements or express opinions without telling a fucking story, must be difficult to live like that.

My sister and I were so sick of his damn stories. :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on September 29, 2015, 12:11:18 AM
Indeed. That's another reason I never really cared much for that character.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: mike099 on September 29, 2015, 11:46:50 AM
Thought that was a really good episode last night. Loved how they showed the deterioration of the Military, the moral and the command aspect of it and getting that insight into the triage area was need also. I loved that new character they introduced in the detaining cell.....at first I thought he was part of the government just hassling people but alas....he's just a dude who already has it figured out.



With a voice smooth as butter. I'm interested to see what he does with Nick.

Yes, I like the guy.  Anyone remember the movie Congo?  The black guy that lead the group thru the jungle had a voice very much like the guy in this show.  Also, please let Tobias still be alive.  He was much more interesting than the other kids on the show.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on September 29, 2015, 12:41:20 PM
I don't get why everyone loves that Tobias guy. I never cared about him. And as we saw in the scene at the school, he doesn't know shit about survival, no matter how much he's learned on the internet.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Progmetty on September 29, 2015, 12:44:06 PM
^ +1
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 29, 2015, 01:07:12 PM
^ -1  Ha ha....I took your plus one away.... :lol




just kidding.




I don't get why everyone loves that Tobias guy. I never cared about him. And as we saw in the scene at the school, he doesn't know shit about survival, no matter how much he's learned on the internet.

I'm not in love with the character....but I think the appeal may be because he already kind of 'knew' where society was going before most others. And, the fact that he may have hoarded some survival items/weapons is alluring.



Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 29, 2015, 03:12:03 PM
I didn't get what the sultry voiced black guy's deal was?  Is he a drug dealer?  Looks well off, realised that Nick was dopesick and not infected, wondered if he was protecting a potential future investment?  That would be interesting, keeping Nick as a pet, feeding him drugs in exchange for zombie duties or whatever I dunno, fellatio duties.

Daniel is awesome, I loved the monologue at the sink where he revealed his nastiness.

Travis' wife is hands down THE MOST annoying character in the TWD TV universe, more so than Andrea or Lori - at least those guys had some semblance of emotion.  If next season rolls around and she's still around with that dumb as fuck furrowed eyebrow, blank as fuck, may-as-well-be-a-zombie look I may have to drop the show... or take a piss during her scenes at least.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on September 29, 2015, 04:38:19 PM
He was so over the top and seemed to be deluded that I figured he was just some insane guy, but by the end I actually really liked that he was so over the top. It's weird, because the acting itself doesn't seem over the top, but the character himself seems to be doing it in a very blatant, obvious fashion; as he's meant to be that way. I'm interested in him and would like to see him more, especially with how observant he is, knowing that Nick was detoxing instead of infected and how he's already played the guards and knows his 'role', as he spoke of. Really neat intro, that's for sure.

As for Tobias, like Gman said, it's not that I love the character...he's a tubby 'lil shite whose more than likely not coming back, but it was interesting to me that he caught on so quickly and seemingly knew that shit was going to go down without anyone else in the show having that kind of '4th wall breakage' of knowing what zombies were, knowing the genre either in their on world with movies/games and such which does not seem to be present in TWD-verse (not that he said he knew about zombies, but I think it was clear he knew some kind of disease was spreading and that they were going to attack). That's about it, and if they did bring his character back, it could be interesting, but the interest ends there. At this point I don't think he's coming back and I'm okay with that. But at the time he was introduced, all the other characters with the exception of Nick were completely blind or in straight up denial.

I don't mind Mexican-old-man's stories, they're entertaining enough, but now it's wearing thin. If it continues to be his 'thing', it'll get annoying to me; but at this point I just see it as expanding his character, his past, and how he became so morally skewed and lost his way. Again, as I said before, he clearly is not a totally corrupt man, he still loves his family and is willing to do anything to get it, but it's just that he's doing it in a way that is destructive. Hell, if one of my family was taken...not that I have many morals or much of a conscience as it is when it comes down to me being between a rock and a hard place...but if they were taken, especially by militants...all that goes like a fart in the wind. But as for the character himself...not so much interesting as it is interesting to see where he's going and if he goes completely nuts. Clearly there's a breaking point and I can see him being the one to break first.

One last thing...I really abhor Travis' ex-wife. She was in Orange Is The New Black and I vehemently hated her in that, as a character I mean, and she's not as much of a piece of shit in this, but she's even more stupid... I'd very much appreciate seeing her as walker-food soon.

Speaking of...now that we are in the finale, who do you guys think will be the first to be bit? I mean, maybe the surprise will be that no one bites the dust in this finale...but if so, who's betting? I think (other than just hoping) that Travis' ex-wife will be one of the first to go, especially because she's in what is closest to being 'ground zero'...and ALL quarantines are 'ground zeroes' (METALGEARSOLID) in some shape or form eventually (certainly this place thanks to that...zombie stadium). But I think another good bet is one of the kids. Now, that would be pretty radical, I think, given the nature of the show at this point, but it'd certainly be out of left field. If I'd pick any, I'd say Travis' son...and I'm also biased cause he's a little shit muffin who is ripe with ignorance and that horrible teen angst that is in all actuality, just being a brat. I don't think any of the main adults will bite it yet, and if I were to bet on any of them, other than Travi's ex-wife, I'd say the Mexican-story-teller.

(I've noticed that the more sober I get...the longer my posts get....FFFFFFFFFFFFF-)
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 29, 2015, 04:42:47 PM
I think Travys son and the mexican man are the most likely to go.  But I'd be really happy if blonde wife died.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on September 29, 2015, 04:50:00 PM
I liked her in the beginning because she's a great actress (at least she was in Gone Girl and...another movie that's escaping me at the moment), but yeah she's getting on my nerves in this one. I don't dislike her, certainly not as much as some other characters (which might be why), but I wouldn't mind seeing her going. And now that I think on it, that's a good bet considering she is one of the higher-profile actresses on the show and I think is probably the most likely to have upcoming gigs (although I don't wanna spoil it for myself by IMDB-ing or anything, so I'll ask others to not post those things if they do). I know stuff like that usually doesn't interfere with things, but given that she has been in some high profile films, I could see her only having a one-season contract just to see where this goes and move back into film.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 29, 2015, 07:46:55 PM
He was so over the top and seemed to be deluded that I figured he was just some insane guy, but by the end I actually really liked that he was so over the top. It's weird, because the acting itself doesn't seem over the top, but the character himself seems to be doing it in a very blatant, obvious fashion; as he's meant to be that way. I'm interested in him and would like to see him more, especially with how observant he is, knowing that Nick was detoxing instead of infected and how he's already played the guards and knows his 'role', as he spoke of. Really neat intro, that's for sure.

I thought he was a pretty neat character....and one of the only characters thus far that actually have some substance, and I credit that to his acting. He sold me on that guy....whoever that guy is that actor made me believe he was real and intrigued to find out more. Which is more than I can say for a couple of the main characters....but I'm still patient in that aspect.


Speaking of...now that we are in the finale, who do you guys think will be the first to be bit?

I still think it's Travis. I think they are setting this series up for (what's her name) Travis' now GF/Wife to be the 'Rick Grimes' of that show. I think they are playing opposite day. She's a strong chic...Rick is strong. It took quite some time for Rick to 'come around' to how to operate in that world....I think she is going to start killing Walkers and people right out of the gate. Who knows though?? We shall see.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on September 30, 2015, 04:29:50 AM
What's wrong with Travis' ex? She's been nothing but helpful.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on September 30, 2015, 04:40:46 AM
Eh, if you watch Orange Is The New Black first, you can't get over her cunty-ness. She's just that one dumb bitch to me now. I don't hate her in this, but it's like if I see Hugh Laurie in something, he's just House to me. Except in this case I hate her.  :lol

Yeah, her character in this is okay. I JUST WANT TO SEE PEOPLE DIE, OKAY!?  :police:

(I've been up since 6 and haven't slept yet...it's almost 6 again...because...I'm insane)
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Progmetty on September 30, 2015, 07:34:43 AM
I get the same vibe from her that I used to get from Andrea..
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: sneakyblueberry on October 01, 2015, 04:18:57 PM
Speaking of...now that we are in the finale, who do you guys think will be the first to be bit?

I still think it's Travis. I think they are setting this series up for (what's her name) Travis' now GF/Wife to be the 'Rick Grimes' of that show. I think they are playing opposite day. She's a strong chic...Rick is strong. It took quite some time for Rick to 'come around' to how to operate in that world....I think she is going to start killing Walkers and people right out of the gate. Who knows though?? We shall see.

I really like your theory, only because it would make a lot of sense and just be awesome to have a strong woman lead the spinoff, but I really don't want Kim Dickens to be that woman.  I also think they may have put too much development into Travis to just off him first season, Sean Bean style.  But then that's quite an attractive idea again, if Travis goes, then its up to his tattered anus of a family to stick together without the guy that holds them together. 

God I can't get over the fact that the blonde wife might be the main character for the rest of the show :/ she's the top billed cast member... fuck I don't think I could handle that. 
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: faizoff on October 04, 2015, 09:17:24 PM
Pretty good way to end the season I'd say. I certainly didn't peg the nurse lady from OITNB to be the one offed. I still wished all the teenage kids were bitten and burned in that pile. 😁
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 05, 2015, 03:42:03 AM
I would have been ok with most of them being offed, but the ex works for me, and double bonus for having the guy do it. Toughen him up a bit. Probably the best episode so far. Probably because of all the walkers, and making them fight through them.

Strand is possibly my new favourite character. I hope he lasts a little while. Speaking of which, check out his character bio on imdb, assuming it hasn't been changed yet. :lol (I'd post a pic myself but I can't remember any of my passwords on this thing to upload it)
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on October 05, 2015, 04:05:31 AM
And if he intentionally let out all the infected in the arena I might just facepalm myself to death, come back as a walker, then facepalm myself to death again.

Yep.

Honestly though, this was incredibly average, with some moments of good thrown in. One of which was when Nick and Strand were stuck behind the locked door, another was the whole ending bit. But other than that, there wasn't really much I liked here.

Disappointing finale. I might watch next season, if I'm bored.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Zantera on October 05, 2015, 10:42:56 AM
Strand is possibly my new favourite character. I hope he lasts a little while. Speaking of which, check out his character bio on imdb, assuming it hasn't been changed yet. :lol (I'd post a pic myself but I can't remember any of my passwords on this thing to upload it)

He'll last until they bring in another black character.  ;)
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: ariich on October 05, 2015, 03:35:37 PM
Strand is possibly my new favourite character. I hope he lasts a little while.
Definitely, easily the best character so far.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on October 05, 2015, 09:18:34 PM
I thought it was a great episode overall and HELLZ YES on the Mexi-ex biting the dust. Completely okay with her being the one to go. I love Strand and how seemingly crazy yet suave and survivalist he is (really liked the part about not letting the other people out because they'd get in the way/slow them down). Also, did anyone catch that they casually just threw in that these people already know that you come back no matter what!? I thought that was brilliant. 1. The audience knows, so there is no suspense to keeping it a secret and trying to make a thing of it whenever it's revealed and 2. given that they were in a ground zero of sorts with all the so-called 'quarantined' (fucked), it makes complete sense for them to know. I really, really liked that part and how nonchalant it was (well, other than the ex's blabbering). For all the shit I give her, she actually wasn't too annoying to me in this and I was kind of warming up to her. Still totally okay that she's gone.  :lol

Overall I thought it was a pretty damn good finale. That was hilarious the way that the old man just casually walked over, knowing there was literally a horde of walkers mere steps behind him, "Nice night...save your bullets".  :rollin What a fuckin' badass. I hate yet love his character. The one part that I thought was weird as hell was the fact that the guy who was tortured randomly shot the woman he was screwing? I mean, I know they weren't shown to be these crazy in love people but whaaaaaa-? I suppose he was nuts. But that led to a really neat moment of Travis finally letting go and showing the anger, I really liked that and it showed that he's not just this naive man who will only kill RIGHT BEFORE he's about to die (not that he killed him but he might as well have...one might say he left him for an even more torturous death). Unleash the beast, Travis.

Now it's time...

ZOMBIES ON A BOAT!! I love that they're showing this because holy hell would that be the first place I go to. A boat, and then a relatively big island with a shitload of trees that are hopefully filled with food and an island of nomnom animals. I can't wait to see where they go with this but I'm excited. Great start! I'm also simultaneously terrified yet excited about a 13-episode S2 (er..maybe more? I can't remember how many they said). It's either going to be slow as hell and pull another TWD S2 or it's gonna evenly pace it out and hopefully have what we had this season which, in my opinion anyway, was a great balance of story, development of characters/the world and some action sprinkled in. I'm guessing we'll have some more slower episodes, especially if they do make it out on that boat for a while, but hopefully that boat won't be a parallel to the motherfucking farm. That...god...damn...farm...SOPHIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Now it's gonna be...ABIGAAAAAAIIIIIIIIILLLLLL!!! Gawd, I hope not. Also glad Abigail is a boat and not his kid because that'd be way too predictable. But he WAS looking at a picture before they went out to the scope...and the boat is already pretty far out on the water...like I said...MOTHERFUCKIN' ZOMBIES ON A BOOOOAAAAAAT! *Caffeine*
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on October 08, 2015, 11:50:04 PM
I might've missed it but in case no one has posted it yet:

Zombies On A Place: Ep 1 of 16 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X832Ti_7WjA).

Ed: Annnnd I realized it was a minute and a half right when I posted it. GOD DAMN IT, AMC.  :lol Whatevs...I suppose I'll wait till we have something substantial... Cause I will totally forget about anything happening at 1 minute at a time, for real.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 09, 2015, 08:26:47 AM
I might've missed it but in case no one has posted it yet:

Zombies On A Place: Ep 1 of 16 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X832Ti_7WjA).

Ed: Annnnd I realized it was a minute and a half right when I posted it. GOD DAMN IT, AMC.  :lol Whatevs...I suppose I'll wait till we have something substantial... Cause I will totally forget about anything happening at 1 minute at a time, for real.

Yeah I saw that. It's going to be (16) of those released a minute at a time. and the nugget is one of the survivors from the plane crash will join the cast in season 2.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on October 09, 2015, 12:14:18 PM
I'd be really disappointed if it was the very obvious emphasis put on the militant-looking woman. But I think it might be.

And yeah, definitely gonna wait..that's just crazy. I mean, I know webisodes are usually short but if you're gonna do that many...just combine at least a couple or a few of them and cut the total in half.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 09, 2015, 12:36:18 PM
I'd be really disappointed if it was the very obvious emphasis put on the militant-looking woman. But I think it might be.

And yeah, definitely gonna wait..that's just crazy. I mean, I know webisodes are usually short but if you're gonna do that many...just combine at least a couple or a few of them and cut the total in half.

I liked the webisodes they were doing a few years ago. the ones that were each 5-6 minutes long, there were what, 4 or 5 of them that told an isolated story? that was neat.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: kaos2900 on October 21, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
Gave up on the show after 4 episodes. After watching the original there is just comparison. I didn't like any of the characters and I just so see how that show can continue on and be interesting.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on October 21, 2015, 10:50:16 AM
Yeah I definitely don't find the characters as endearing as early on in the regular show.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Metro on October 21, 2015, 10:53:57 AM
I agree. I was really looking forward to this show especially since it's 100% new material and not related to the comics but after watching every episode, I don't find it very interesting and I really don't give a shit what happens to these characters. It's just more time and money that could be spent on bettering the main show. Oh well.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on October 21, 2015, 11:27:12 AM
The problem for me is that generally everyone under the age of 20ish is somewhat unbearable.  I actively hope that Travis' son dies, cause he's annoying as hell, the daughter seems to be worthless, the junkie is a junkie (though he's incrementally more interesting than the others) - are there other kids?  I don't even remember.  They're just playing annoying teenagers and it's hard to have so many of them but also try to be invested in their fates.  I think the two leads are pretty good, and I definitely don't want to make my mind up on the show just yet, but I think back to the rooftop scenes in TWD season 1, and nothing about FTWD approached that type of clarity of character presentation and motive.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Metro on January 08, 2016, 06:11:56 PM
For those that care, Season 2 will premiere April 10th

https://www.thewalkingdead.com/fear-the-walking-dead-season-2-gets-a-premiere-date/
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on January 08, 2016, 07:23:10 PM
Awesooome! I'm ready for it. I really enjoyed the vast majority of S1, especially on a binge. I hope they keep up the same creep factor, personality, music and pace that S1 had.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2016, 08:48:53 AM
I liked how season 1 ended, so I'm interested to see what direction they take it now that they're out of the street. This is all of the stuff we didn't get in TWD, with people learning to survive and adapt to a new world, and hopefully there will be less need at this point for the "bad guys of the season" thing that I'm thoroughly sick of.
The junky kid was fun, and I hope the black guy sticks around forever to avert the black guy trope that they've stuck to so far. :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 09, 2016, 08:57:37 AM
The junky kid was fun, and I hope the black guy sticks around forever to avert the black guy trope that they've stuck to so far. :lol

Colman Domingo (the black guy) was signed as a regular for next season. His character is the most interesting thus far (for me). And Frank Dillane did do a really good job in playing Nick...a strung out heroine addict. Those two characters made the first season for me.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2016, 09:02:13 AM
The junky kid was fun, and I hope the black guy sticks around forever to avert the black guy trope that they've stuck to so far. :lol

Colman Domingo (the black guy) was signed as a regular for next season. His character is the most interesting thus far (for me). And Frank Dillane did do a really good job in playing Nick...a strung out heroine addict. Those two characters made the first season for me.

Excellent news. Obviously he'd at least start off the season, but I wasn't sure how quickly they'd dispatch him. While I like seeing the gradual wearing down of their morals to survive, I think I like that those two characters are a bit further along the spectrum, and they're not so uptight.
And I could listen to Colman Domingo's (damn even his name is cool) voice all day.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 09, 2016, 09:07:37 AM
And I could listen to Colman Domingo's (damn even his name is cool) voice all day.

totally this. He could talk you into walking off a cliff...it has such a confident cadence and is oddly soothing.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: chknptpie on January 09, 2016, 09:37:40 AM
Season 1 interested me. I could totally see that as a real life scenario. I'll keep watching to see how things go.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 09, 2016, 10:08:28 AM
Definitely interested and i'm sad to say more than TWD.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on January 09, 2016, 12:09:14 PM
I'd really love to hear Domingo do some voice acting for some video games and anime, that'd be a real treat.

But yeah it's good to know my two favorites will be sticking around for at least a while longer. I also really like that this show is using non-American actors using completely perfect American accents. I mean, not that it's difficult to use an American accent cause our phonetics are pig shit but it's just funny. I remember seeing Dillane in Sens8 and then watching this thinking "Ahhhh THAT'S where I seen't yew!"
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2016, 07:48:29 PM
I'd really love to hear Domingo do some voice acting for some video games and anime, that'd be a real treat.

But yeah it's good to know my two favorites will be sticking around for at least a while longer. I also really like that this show is using non-American actors using completely perfect American accents. I mean, not that it's difficult to use an American accent cause our phonetics are pig shit but it's just funny. I remember seeing Dillane in Sens8 and then watching this thinking "Ahhhh THAT'S where I seen't yew!"

Same with TWD. Rick and The Governor have British accents.
I think the daughter in FTWD is Australian? Hot too.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 09, 2016, 08:06:54 PM
I'd really love to hear Domingo do some voice acting for some video games and anime, that'd be a real treat.

But yeah it's good to know my two favorites will be sticking around for at least a while longer. I also really like that this show is using non-American actors using completely perfect American accents. I mean, not that it's difficult to use an American accent cause our phonetics are pig shit but it's just funny. I remember seeing Dillane in Sens8 and then watching this thinking "Ahhhh THAT'S where I seen't yew!"

Same with TWD. Rick and The Governor have British accents.
I think the daughter in FTWD is Australian? Hot too.

And Morgan and Maggie.....
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2016, 08:14:51 PM
I'd really love to hear Domingo do some voice acting for some video games and anime, that'd be a real treat.

But yeah it's good to know my two favorites will be sticking around for at least a while longer. I also really like that this show is using non-American actors using completely perfect American accents. I mean, not that it's difficult to use an American accent cause our phonetics are pig shit but it's just funny. I remember seeing Dillane in Sens8 and then watching this thinking "Ahhhh THAT'S where I seen't yew!"

Same with TWD. Rick and The Governor have British accents.
I think the daughter in FTWD is Australian? Hot too.

And Morgan and Maggie.....

I didn't even know about Morgan. What's his normal accent?
I knew about Maggie (I was watching some interviews only yesterday), but her natural accent isn't as much of a departure. I think many of the southern accents are put on for the series. I can't imagine Eugene really sounds like that. It must be the mullet's fault. :lol
Lauren Cohan's normal accent is actually kind of odd. It sounds..... actually it sounds exactly like a mixture of the places she's lived. :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on January 09, 2016, 08:25:42 PM
Yeah I knew of all the British/Australian actors on TWD; a lot of shows are doing it these days and I really like it. I didn't know (or 'remember') that Dillane was British till I saw him again on Sens8. Same thing for Carey (chick who plays Alicia...whose first name is also 'Alycia'). I mean, god damn it must be easy to do an American accent no matter what region you're emulating.  :lol

She was also in the god-fucking-awful show The 100 (or as everyone says it in the show 'THE HUNDRED') and the only reason to watch it is the very sensual girl-girl make-out sesh between her and the lead chick. Jesus fucking christ it was such a horrible show.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 09, 2016, 08:40:57 PM
Morgan's Brittish also....
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2016, 08:47:28 PM
Morgan's Brittish also....

Damn. Even though I'm not American, they've all convinced me. Not like watching old Hercules/Xena episodes with endless horrible New Zealand actors doing awful accents. :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 09, 2016, 10:08:55 PM
Judging from the teeth.....I believe all the Walkers are as well.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on January 10, 2016, 02:55:29 AM
Apply cold water to burned area.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: ariich on January 10, 2016, 03:12:59 AM
Judging from the teeth.....I believe all the Walkers are as well.
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/17/health/british-american-bad-teeth-study/

:P
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 10, 2016, 08:26:08 AM
Judging from the teeth.....I believe all the Walkers are as well.
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/17/health/british-american-bad-teeth-study/

:P

....was using the popular stereotype for a bit of fun, then here you go and get a 'technical'.... :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 10, 2016, 08:29:25 AM
Pffffft, you can use "facts" to prove anything. What's the fun in that?
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 09, 2016, 12:00:35 PM
Really looking forward to S02 and i'm surprised how non-active this thread is given it starts tomorrow.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 09, 2016, 12:05:04 PM
I haven't looked at any previews etc for S2 because I want to go in fresh (wish I could for TWD), but I'll be watching. :tup
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on April 09, 2016, 01:50:04 PM
I'll be watching, but nothing captivated me about it in season 1.  It was well-done, but seemed kinda sterile for some reason.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 09, 2016, 02:39:41 PM
I'll be watching, but nothing captivated me about it in season 1.  It was well-done, but seemed kinda sterile for some reason.

Yeah...the shortened season seemed like a long introduction more than anything. I like the zombie genre so it's pretty tough to lose me as a viewer....but I am curious to see how a full second season plays out.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 09, 2016, 07:39:21 PM
I atleast thought it was a refreshing show compared to TWD. I haven't seen any previews because as Blob mentioned I wanna go in fresh.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: faizoff on April 10, 2016, 09:27:06 PM
I just saw that the 2nd season is going to be 15 episodes. My thoughts on this show is that it will go the same path as TWD with several filler episodes, even more annoying characters, somewhat interesting tidbits sprinkled across some episodes,etc.
I'm watching this first episode of the second season and am 30 mins into and already so freaking bored.


...and the episode was crap. I'm out.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 11, 2016, 06:38:16 AM
already so freaking bored.


...and the episode was crap. I'm out.

Man.....what a poor decision to move this story to the ocean like that. Wow. That was rough and I don't see how it gets better unless they get these folks off that boat like now. I'll give it another episode or two....
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: kaos2900 on April 11, 2016, 06:40:06 AM
I gave up on this show 4 or 5 episodes into the first season. There is no need for this show and it just reeks of $$$$$ grabbing by AMC.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: faizoff on April 11, 2016, 06:55:28 AM
already so freaking bored.


...and the episode was crap. I'm out.

Man.....what a poor decision to move this story to the ocean like that. Wow. That was rough and I don't see how it gets better unless they get these folks off that boat like now. I'll give it another episode or two....

I don't know if this was verified or not but apparently this is going to be similar to how season 2 of TWD was with the farm. This season is all about the boat.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 11, 2016, 08:09:49 AM
already so freaking bored.


...and the episode was crap. I'm out.

Man.....what a poor decision to move this story to the ocean like that. Wow. That was rough and I don't see how it gets better unless they get these folks off that boat like now. I'll give it another episode or two....

I don't know if this was verified or not but apparently this is going to be similar to how season 2 of TWD was with the farm. This season is all about the boat.

 :facepalm:   They don't have compelling enough characters to pull that off. At least in TWD they had characters that could keep you around....there's only so much you can do with the 'boat' idea. They're already going for the whole 'pirate' aspect with them about to be found and raided. I'm sure there's a 'mutiny' in the mix against the Captain....maybe one of them will get scurvy also.  :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Big Hath on April 11, 2016, 08:46:11 AM
already so freaking bored.


...and the episode was crap. I'm out.

Man.....what a poor decision to move this story to the ocean like that. Wow. That was rough and I don't see how it gets better unless they get these folks off that boat like now. I'll give it another episode or two....

I don't know if this was verified or not but apparently this is going to be similar to how season 2 of TWD was with the farm. This season is all about the boat.

I was coming here to post that I fast-forwarded through A LOT of the episode last night.  We're talking TWD season 2 levels of fast-forwarding through boring stuff.  :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Rattlehead on April 11, 2016, 08:54:17 AM
Man, you guys are tough to please  :lol I thought it was a decent episode.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Big Hath on April 11, 2016, 09:14:21 AM
Right now I don't have much of a connection with any of the characters or their relationships.

The raft/boat of survivors was interesting regarding if they should have stopped or not (they, well Strand, definitely made the right decision there).  And for me about the most/only compelling thing going for the show at this moment is what Strand has planned for this group.  What does he know, if anything?

I don't care one bit about the one kid who just lost his mom (that sounds harsh :lol)  I was kind of hoping the zombies would get him on the beach.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on April 11, 2016, 10:25:57 AM
I generally agree with you guys - what is it about these characters (actors?) that makes me not give a crap about them?  In TWD I care a lot more about them.  Even the leads/parents seem to have gotten minimal development to the point that I wouldn't be very affected if they were killed.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Rattlehead on April 11, 2016, 03:29:14 PM
Maybe because we're only 7 episodes in?  :lol I know I didn't care about the majority of the characters on TWD after 7 episodes. I do think Travis is a good character and the best actor on the show.

I must say I do enjoy the scenery on this show though; it's refreshing after watching 6 seasons of TWD where they are seemingly going in circles and running into group after group every season. Not sure why people are already complaining about the "boat idea" after 1 episode.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on April 11, 2016, 03:34:56 PM
Yeah the boat could be fine.  For some reason TWD was a lot clearer with getting you to attach to the characters faster.  The moment when Rick reunited with Lori and Carl should've done it for you, and that was in episode 2.  Then you had his interactions with Shane, and everything stemming from that.  The stories are different, and I'm not willing to write it off yet since it's different, but 7 episodes in and they offed one of the most easily-killable characters (the mom) and the old guy's wife (didn't even remember she existed til she was mentioned in this episode), and it hasn't had any impact.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 11, 2016, 03:36:12 PM
Maybe because we're only 7 episodes in?  :lol I know I didn't care about the majority of the characters on TWD after 7 episodes. I do think Travis is a good character and the best actor on the show.

I must say I do enjoy the scenery on this show though; it's refreshing after watching 6 seasons of TWD where they are seemingly going in circles and running into group after group every season. Not sure why people are already complaining about the "boat idea" after 1 episode.
Yea I also think it's refreshing and it's a bit diffrent pace then TWD. Do I care much about these characters so far...no but I can assure you I don't give a single crap about anyone in TWD at this point either.  :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: mike099 on April 12, 2016, 11:59:24 AM
I watched this on Comcast on-demand and the best part of the show was the 2 minute preview of the new show 'Preacher'.  Of course the show itself may suck, but that was intense.

I agree that the show does not have strong enough characters to pull it off with a whole season on the boat.

And remember that it is my fucking boat.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 14, 2016, 04:21:03 AM
Finally saw the S2 opener. That was a really dull opening episode. I don't care about these characters, the idiot kid was being an idiot and getting them into trouble, and I don't think I could watch much more of them on the boat, it's not an interesting setting, and it avoids a lot of the decay of society that I was hoping to see that TWD didn't get to do. Strand and Nick are the only characters I remotely like. And I hope the ending isn't an indicator that we're already getting TWD style generic bad guys. YOU HAVE ZOMBIES. USE THEM.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Big Hath on April 14, 2016, 06:23:03 AM
and it avoids a lot of the decay of society that I was hoping to see that TWD didn't get to do.

so much this.  When they flew past that last season, I pretty much lost hope for the show.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 18, 2016, 04:28:10 AM
Much better episode than the first one. There was a nice slow buildup to the ending, and a change of scenery and characters. Strand and Nick continue to be the clear standout characters. The ocean walkers were cool.

"Children are the definition of dead weight." :lol I said the exact same thing at the start of the episode.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on April 18, 2016, 06:30:32 AM
Yesterday morning, I finally got around to watching Season 1 and the first episode of season 2. I'm loving this show so far. Only character I truly hate is Alex (I think that's his name), the kid who's mom got put down on the beach. What a blood belching vagina that kid is. What a puss.

I'm actually really excited about the rest of this season. With TWD, we've seen them in cities, woods, prisons, gated communities, farms, etc.. but nothing ever really near water. I'm perfectly happy with the boat scenario so far and I can't wait to see how it plays out.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 18, 2016, 06:49:27 AM
Yeah, that kid is a whiny bitch. I'll be glad to see him become zombie food.
I wasn't liking the boat idea based on the first episode, but I'm feeling much better about that direction after this episode.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 18, 2016, 08:03:55 AM
I wasn't liking the boat idea based on the first episode, but I'm feeling much better about that direction after this episode.

That episode was much better...
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 18, 2016, 08:07:33 AM
I wasn't liking the boat idea based on the first episode, but I'm feeling much better about that direction after this episode.

That episode was much better...

Do you mean the first episode was better, or the second?
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 18, 2016, 09:36:50 AM
Pretty good episode although that kid turning was hilarious for some reason. I think something is wrong with me because I had the same reaction when that Sam kid got eaten in TWD. Shireen in GoT, laughed my ass off although that was mostly because her scream didn't sound believable.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 18, 2016, 10:02:48 AM
Pretty good episode although that kid turning was hilarious for some reason. I think something is wrong with me because I had the same reaction when that Sam kid got eaten in TWD. Shireen in GoT, laughed my ass off although that was mostly because her scream didn't sound believable.

I love that shit. Those damn wiener kids are just asking for it. :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 18, 2016, 11:53:28 AM
I wasn't liking the boat idea based on the first episode, but I'm feeling much better about that direction after this episode.

That episode was much better...

Do you mean the first episode was better, or the second?

sorry....I can see where that's a confusing statement  :lol   I liked the second episode much more than the first.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 18, 2016, 11:56:07 AM
Oh good. I wasn't sure whether we were in agreement or not. :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on April 19, 2016, 12:08:32 PM
Episode was a little better, but holy wow that final scene was terrible.  I'm supposed to believe that in the 5 minutes it took the group to gather everything and get the hell out of dodge, the mom (a) finished dying (b) reanimated (c) the dad just let her wander around as a zombie instead of barricading her, killing her, etc (d) she was able to navigate the house, go down steps to the 1st floor, out the door, etc (e) she was able to walk straight toward the group, across rocky outcroppings and straight down a pier without falling off?  And again, in like 5 minutes?  Was that scene supposed to have some sort of emotional impact?  Because if so they totally butchered it.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on April 19, 2016, 12:09:05 PM
meant to click modify instead of quote - how do you delete posts?
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 19, 2016, 12:22:11 PM
Episode was a little better, but holy wow that final scene was terrible.  I'm supposed to believe that in the 5 minutes it took the group to gather everything and get the hell out of dodge, the mom (a) finished dying (b) reanimated (c) the dad just let her wander around as a zombie instead of barricading her, killing her, etc (d) she was able to navigate the house, go down steps to the 1st floor, out the door, etc (e) she was able to walk straight toward the group, across rocky outcroppings and straight down a pier without falling off?  And again, in like 5 minutes?  Was that scene supposed to have some sort of emotional impact?  Because if so they totally butchered it.

 :lol   well....when you put it like that, she was a "fresh" walker so maybe she had a little pep in her step?   :lol     I'm curious as to if there wasn't actually more time between that but they sure didn't do a good job in portraying it that way if that were the case.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on April 19, 2016, 12:26:31 PM
Episode was a little better, but holy wow that final scene was terrible.  I'm supposed to believe that in the 5 minutes it took the group to gather everything and get the hell out of dodge, the mom (a) finished dying (b) reanimated (c) the dad just let her wander around as a zombie instead of barricading her, killing her, etc (d) she was able to navigate the house, go down steps to the 1st floor, out the door, etc (e) she was able to walk straight toward the group, across rocky outcroppings and straight down a pier without falling off?  And again, in like 5 minutes?  Was that scene supposed to have some sort of emotional impact?  Because if so they totally butchered it.

 :lol   well....when you put it like that, she was a "fresh" walker so maybe she had a little pep in her step?   :lol     I'm curious as to if there wasn't actually more time between that but they sure didn't do a good job in portraying it that way if that were the case.

I assumed the dad got down on his knees to let her eat him and she made her way outside because she heard her son fire the sniper rifle as he went to get his brother... still doesn't explain her ability to navigate the stairs though.

Stuff like that is what drives me nuts about these shows.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 19, 2016, 12:33:22 PM
Episode was a little better, but holy wow that final scene was terrible.  I'm supposed to believe that in the 5 minutes it took the group to gather everything and get the hell out of dodge, the mom (a) finished dying (b) reanimated (c) the dad just let her wander around as a zombie instead of barricading her, killing her, etc (d) she was able to navigate the house, go down steps to the 1st floor, out the door, etc (e) she was able to walk straight toward the group, across rocky outcroppings and straight down a pier without falling off?  And again, in like 5 minutes?  Was that scene supposed to have some sort of emotional impact?  Because if so they totally butchered it.

 :lol   well....when you put it like that, she was a "fresh" walker so maybe she had a little pep in her step?   :lol     I'm curious as to if there wasn't actually more time between that but they sure didn't do a good job in portraying it that way if that were the case.

Yeah, it could be a case of editing or taking a while with getting onto the boat, and the argument. Let's also not forget that in the first episode of TWD, the walkers could move quite quickly, and even climb. For all we know, she fell down the stairs and got back up. And also, it's entertainment. I can accept if it's not 100% accurate for the sake of the story.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on April 19, 2016, 12:40:52 PM
Episode was a little better, but holy wow that final scene was terrible.  I'm supposed to believe that in the 5 minutes it took the group to gather everything and get the hell out of dodge, the mom (a) finished dying (b) reanimated (c) the dad just let her wander around as a zombie instead of barricading her, killing her, etc (d) she was able to navigate the house, go down steps to the 1st floor, out the door, etc (e) she was able to walk straight toward the group, across rocky outcroppings and straight down a pier without falling off?  And again, in like 5 minutes?  Was that scene supposed to have some sort of emotional impact?  Because if so they totally butchered it.

 :lol   well....when you put it like that, she was a "fresh" walker so maybe she had a little pep in her step?   :lol     I'm curious as to if there wasn't actually more time between that but they sure didn't do a good job in portraying it that way if that were the case.

Yeah, it could be a case of editing or taking a while with getting onto the boat, and the argument. Let's also not forget that in the first episode of TWD, the walkers could move quite quickly, and even climb. For all we know, she fell down the stairs and got back up. And also, it's entertainment. I can accept if it's not 100% accurate for the sake of the story.

That's something I'd love to see! Have a walker at the top of a stair case with a rather intact face, fall and slide face first down the stairs, and then get up with a face that's been ripped off by the rug.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: TioJorge on April 21, 2016, 06:21:20 PM
Awesome episode all because of the scene with the child. I'm glad this show has a bit more balls and gives less of a shit with stuff like that than the main series. Awesomely heartbreaking to see the kid take those pills that the cocksucking father had out and planned to use eventually anyway, except the plan was screwed thanks to the reanimation. Really loved the end there. Overall I'm just interested in seeing how the big set up comes together. As far as the show itself, this is being set up in an entirely different fashion than the main series and I feel like this is really just "Season 1 part 2" instead of a full on Season 2, if that makes any sense. It's like we're still in the prologue of the show, I feel. But I really like how they're setting it up and look forward to seeing how they either fuck it all up or how they make it even better than the main series. Either way it'll be interesting to watch unfold.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on April 22, 2016, 05:36:55 AM
My favorite part is that there isn't a comic series to spoil major plot points. Don't get me wrong, I love the comics and TWD, but I like the fact that this is 100% fresh.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 22, 2016, 09:16:30 AM
I wonder if Nick realizes he's the reason that little girl (and mom and dad) are now dead thanks to his snooping around for a drugs he can get high on? After all, he found the pills and then was caught by the little girl....she saw where they were hidden. The little boy had mentioned earlier that he takes 'super pills' to defeat things (when he's playing) so it'd make sense that he and his sister had discussed or mentioned 'super pills' to each other while playing? She see's pills....doesn't know they aren't 'super' and boom...zombie day care.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Chino on April 22, 2016, 11:27:39 AM
I wonder if Nick realizes he's the reason that little girl (and mom and dad) are now dead thanks to his snooping around for a drugs he can get high on? After all, he found the pills and then was caught by the little girl....she saw where they were hidden. The little boy had mentioned earlier that he takes 'super pills' to defeat things (when he's playing) so it'd make sense that he and his sister had discussed or mentioned 'super pills' to each other while playing? She see's pills....doesn't know they aren't 'super' and boom...zombie day care.

I assumed those hidden pills were the 'super pills' the father gave the kids. I figured the dad would give them one each or something and the girl just ate a bunch of them when she got a hold of them herself. 
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on April 22, 2016, 12:51:11 PM
I wonder if Nick realizes he's the reason that little girl (and mom and dad) are now dead thanks to his snooping around for a drugs he can get high on? After all, he found the pills and then was caught by the little girl....she saw where they were hidden. The little boy had mentioned earlier that he takes 'super pills' to defeat things (when he's playing) so it'd make sense that he and his sister had discussed or mentioned 'super pills' to each other while playing? She see's pills....doesn't know they aren't 'super' and boom...zombie day care.
In a way he could be to blame, but in another way by him finding the pills, the rest of the family was saved.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 25, 2016, 02:47:30 AM
Another solid episode. Strand and Nick are still awesome. Chris is still an angsty douche. There's an Asian chick now. I approve. I'm going to have to go back and watch the webisodes with the plane.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on April 25, 2016, 10:42:54 AM
Yeah I think the show is moving along pretty nicely now.  This is why you don't go nuclear with your reaction after one episode of a season.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 25, 2016, 10:51:32 AM
I think it's more that the first episode of a season really sets the tone of a story arc, and it was shaping up potentially badly, both with being confined to a boat, and also the hint of already devolving to comic book villians like TWD before even fully exploring the walkers. Also, starting off with such a weak and dull episode wasn't reassuring for the ongoing quality of the show.

However, in the past two episodes, the boat has actually been used to keep the scenery fresh each week rather than getting stale being stuck on a farm, or at a prison, etc, and the plot development has been good, and the water has proven to be an interesting setting for walkers so far.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on May 02, 2016, 10:54:36 AM
I thought last night's episode was pretty damn good.  It's nice not having any idea what's going to happen, who might die, etc.  I started looking at the main couple as an analog to Rick & Lori but wondering what would happen to them that will deviate from what happened to Rick & Lori.  I wonder if they're going to directly turn on each other, if one is going to see the other one die, etc.  It's kinda cool to think about as they're not following a comic outline.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2016, 11:32:25 AM
I thought last night's episode was pretty damn good.  It's nice not having any idea what's going to happen, who might die, etc.  I started looking at the main couple as an analog to Rick & Lori but wondering what would happen to them that will deviate from what happened to Rick & Lori.  I wonder if they're going to directly turn on each other, if one is going to see the other one die, etc.  It's kinda cool to think about as they're not following a comic outline.

Yeah, this is one of the most appealing aspects of FTW. I'm totally digging the 'human' element of it and how the decline of society is being portrayed....and, although I had reservations about this season taking place on a boat....it's actually been quite compelling and such a unique setting to explore.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 03, 2016, 04:21:07 AM
Another good episode. I'm not thrilled about generic human bad guys, but it was an interesting situation. Nick's little side quest was fun, and I enjoyed seeing backstory for Strand. At the very start I joked he was going to kiss the other business dude, then later on I find that wasn't far wrong. Strand's just full of surprises. His friend should make things even more interesting now.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on May 09, 2016, 12:42:34 PM
Well everything just worked out SO well for our group last night, didn't it?
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 09, 2016, 12:44:20 PM
I'm sure we haven't seen the last of that group, unfortunately.
The trick with the walker was cool, but it's a shame that was the only one in the episode.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 10, 2016, 09:39:23 AM
Cool episode, it was rather convenient for the group that it all worked out in the end. I'm ready for one of the 'main' cast to get killed now....this is starting to settle in to an everyone is safe type feel which makes me think a big death should be coming.

I'm sure we haven't seen the last of that group, unfortunately.

Yeah...who knows. The chick from the raft, the 'love' interest and the preggo lady should be the only ones left.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 19, 2016, 01:51:57 PM
One of the more interesting episodes this week. Chris just needs to die though both the character and actions are annoying and dosen't make any sense.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 19, 2016, 02:09:42 PM
One of the more interesting episodes this week. Chris just needs to die though both his character and actions are annoying and dosen't make any sense.

His character is the only complaint I have on the show. Even with the distress and stuff he's gone through.....they've got him acting pretty silly and going some dumb stuff.

I think it's interesting how in both TWD and on this show the 'religious' folk initially are holding to that the 'dead' are not really dead and that they are 'fine' and will return ok somehow. I'm a man of Faith but I find it strange how silly they have the 'faith' folk acting.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 19, 2016, 10:51:52 PM
It did instantly feel very familiar. It was the barn all over again.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 20, 2016, 03:52:06 AM
Yea it really was, I guess what's nice is that instead of an entire barn season we get progress instead or atleast it seems like that.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 23, 2016, 04:15:34 AM
More generic bad guys just mindlessly shooting at people for no reason. Just what the show needed. And could that first walker have been any less threatening?

That said, I do like Nick's storyline so far, and it feels like there's potential for something interesting there, but the show is just boring, and focuses way too little on the zombies.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on August 23, 2016, 09:52:03 AM
Also I have no belief that any main character on the show is at risk of death.  It seems like the show cut corners on budget with casting or something and is not including as many expendables, because the only real deaths we have gotten are fairly tertiary characters at the very end of a season (or mid-season).  There's absolutely no threat, already - like what a month into the outbreak?  The pacing has failed to follow the crescendo that TWD did and it seems like they've already jumped to Woodbury or further with plot armor.

To add on, the death of the guys shooting the zombies was so stupid.  Why the FUCK would they stand still and allow the zombies to approach them walking so slowly?  Why would they not, I don't know, back up slowly, to avoid certain death?  It makes no freaking sense.  It was terribly unbelievable.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 23, 2016, 09:54:39 AM
Preach it! Last I checked, reloading didn't mean you were stuck in place. So lame.
That first walker that Nick encountered in the car was a joke. There was zero threat at any moment there, even though they're barely into the zombie apocalypse relative to TWD, and he had no weapon and no defense. He just leaned right over and swatted the walker off. Then for the rest of the episode he was just chillin' walking around with a hoard.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 23, 2016, 10:03:41 AM
To add on, the death of the guys shooting the zombies was so stupid.  Why the FUCK would they stand still and allow the zombies to approach them walking so slowly?  Why would they not, I don't know, back up slowly, to avoid certain death?  It makes no freaking sense.  It was terribly unbelievable.
I thought stopping on the highway and wasting bullets on them was stupid enough, that was just  :facepalm: It's like getting attacked by a bunch of rabies infested sloths, you simply take a couple of steps back and your safe.
 
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: soupytwist on August 24, 2016, 06:32:10 AM
This show truely is terrible now, I think this is the now Under A Dome levels of crapness. 

Even though it's parent show can often lapse into mediocrity at least it can fall back on it's mostly decent cast and source material.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 24, 2016, 08:20:47 AM
This show truely is terrible now, I think this is the now Under A Dome levels of crapness. 

Even though it's parent show can often lapse into mediocrity at least it can fall back on it's mostly decent cast and source material.

I am giving this show another two or three episodes to convince me not to quit watching it.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 29, 2016, 04:54:57 AM
This show truely is terrible now, I think this is the now Under A Dome levels of crapness. 

Even though it's parent show can often lapse into mediocrity at least it can fall back on it's mostly decent cast and source material.

I am giving this show another two or three episodes to convince me not to quit watching it.

Hehe, well this week's episode certainly did nothing to convince anyone otherwise.

I don't see the point of doing a prequel spinoff when the walkers are already a non-threat despite all of the human characters being braindead stupid and having no weapons or skills. More boring human bad guys, and the walkers are just mobile camouflage stations. In TWD, that trick has been used very sparingly, because capturing a walker is dangerous, and because it takes a buttload of giblets to mask human stank (and also because it was gross and smelly). On FTWD it's like let's walk up to a walker and take a smear of blood, and we're all good to go.
I wanted to like this show. I was hoping they'd take the opportunity to learn from TWD's mistakes and get away from the silly comic book bad guys and get back to walkers being the main threat, and show the human characters dealing with civilization slowly falling and learning survival skills and becoming more badass, but they've done the complete opposite. How any of these characters have survived is beyond me. TWD had killed off more characters by this point, and they were much more skilled overall.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 29, 2016, 08:08:26 AM
This show truely is terrible now, I think this is the now Under A Dome levels of crapness. 

Even though it's parent show can often lapse into mediocrity at least it can fall back on it's mostly decent cast and source material.

I am giving this show another two or three episodes to convince me not to quit watching it.

Hehe, well this week's episode certainly did nothing to convince anyone otherwise.

I don't see the point of doing a prequel spinoff when the walkers are already a non-threat despite all of the human characters being braindead stupid and having no weapons or skills. More boring human bad guys, and the walkers are just mobile camouflage stations. In TWD, that trick has been used very sparingly, because capturing a walker is dangerous, and because it takes a buttload of giblets to mask human stank (and also because it was gross and smelly). On FTWD it's like let's walk up to a walker and take a smear of blood, and we're all good to go.
I wanted to like this show. I was hoping they'd take the opportunity to learn from TWD's mistakes and get away from the silly comic book bad guys and get back to walkers being the main threat, and show the human characters dealing with civilization slowly falling and learning survival skills and becoming more badass, but they've done the complete opposite. How any of these characters have survived is beyond me. TWD had killed off more characters by this point, and they were much more skilled overall.


Yeah...this show is just horridly done wrong. The previews for next week show that Daughter trapped in a hotel room battling off Walkers as they filter in....if this show wanted to do anything to redeem itself and get it back on track they'd have her get torn to bits. But they won't. Somehow a 18 yr old high school student is going to fend off 20-25 vicious adults that have swarmed her. It's not even interesting any longer.

Let's get drunk and throw stuff and then play a piano when everything around us wants to kill us. How F'n dumb....and what horrible writing.

Oooo look, another man who has brainwashed a group of people and our main Protagonist is suspicious of him. How creative.

Such a disappointment this series has been....I was really looking forward to it but now, I don't know. I imagine I'll be a dumbass and watch the rest of the season because I 'want' to like it also. But it really is a bad show.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 29, 2016, 08:25:36 AM
I'll stick it out for the rest of the season, and maybe the S3 opener depending on how it goes.
They've got a third season guaranteed, so they better make some drastic changes if they want to last past that. Let's face it, the only reason it's made it this far is because of the title of the show.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: faizoff on August 29, 2016, 08:55:05 AM
This show truely is terrible now, I think this is the now Under A Dome levels of crapness. 

Yikes, that's pretty bad. I bailed after the 2nd episode of the 2nd season so I don't believe I'll be back for this show ever again with so much good TV out there.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Big Hath on August 29, 2016, 09:08:31 AM
I've fast forwarded through at least half of these last two episodes in the hope that something interesting might happen.  Oh well.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 29, 2016, 09:33:34 AM
I was really hoping that Nick would have had his hand chopped off. That'd have shown some balls on the shows part and drawn a neat parallel between he and comic book Rick.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on August 29, 2016, 11:25:07 AM
I watched the first sequence and then watched the last 5 mins of Talking Dead.  On Talking Dead Kim Dickens (still a babe) described the survivors as "knowing how to handle themselves" etc....so basically they've skipped ahead to being on par with TWD characters without any of the development, without having to earn it through suffering or really watching that many people close to them die.  So much in this show just seems unearned.  I think I'm jumping off the wagon.  Keep me updated in case it gets better though.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 29, 2016, 11:40:01 AM
On Talking Dead Kim Dickens (still a babe) described the survivors as "knowing how to handle themselves" etc....so basically they've skipped ahead to being on par with TWD characters without any of the development, without having to earn it through suffering or really watching that many people close to them die.  So much in this show just seems unearned.

that's my problem right now. There is simply no way that EVERY member of ANY group would be able to handle and defend themselves like they do, at this point.  Especially a high school girl and a High School counselor of which like you said...haven't really earned any sort of 'Level Up' to where it's believable that they could be on par with a Michonne, Sasha or Carol.

A more believable way to approach this series would to have been by now whatever cast they had started with either they'd all have been killed off by now or maybe only 1 or 2 of them left. But to have basically all but 2 of them still around....it's silly.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 05, 2016, 09:21:13 AM
This show is horrible. Travis's kid could possibly be the most annoying character ever to have graced television....across all genre's and generations. It's such a horridly written character that I can't even blame the actor. The decisions and dialogue they are writing for that character are beyond ridiculous. A real person simply would not 'act' like that kid is...no matter what they are going through. And, if he were that defiant as a kid to his father then Travis would be best off just turning around and walking out of his life now. Such a bad...bad....character. Ugh.

There is only one action that can save this show and that is for them to begin to kill off every 'major' character....like, week after week to where by the end of the season maybe it's just Nick left. But for me I don't think it matters. I'm sure I'll torture my eyes and brain and watch the rest of the season but I can't see me coming back to watch anymore of this show when it returns for season three if there isn't some sort of massive change in the way they are doing this.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 05, 2016, 09:23:08 AM
I was thinking last night that a really neat take on TWD universe would have been a show set 20-25 years into the future....like how or if humanity has recovered? Could have been a much better way to 'exploit' the Walking Dead name and fans rather than give us basically a 2nd class show of what we've been watching.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 05, 2016, 09:34:03 AM
I think a show set in the future would be even worse tbh, and much less fresh and relatable. FTWD's problem simply comes down to awful writing.

This week's episode was a slight improvement, but when the girl was in the elevator shaft with the walkers coming after her, and also when she was backed up against the glass doors, it highlighted a major problem of the series to me. Unlike TWD, I found myself not caring whether or not she lived. Secondly, at no point did I feel she was in any immediate danger anyway. They haven't really killed any major cast members. The group killed one themselves when they were infected, and that's about it. No emotional investment in characters + no real threat = don't care. And for such a useless group, they're mighty handy with stabbing walkers, much handier than TWD. It makes no sense. In this episode alone we had the two kids handling walkers no problem at all. Where's the progression and character development from every day person to zombie killer?
Also, introducing even more generic human bad guys. As soon as you see some new people, you're just like "yep, they're going to be bad guys". It's so tired and cheesy.

They've completely defeated the purpose of placing this show at the start of the apocalypse, because it's fallen back into bad habits, but without setting anything up worth a damn first. It didn't show the decay of society in a believable way, it hasn't shown the characters adapting in a believable way, it didn't even take the first season to create characters I care to see live.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Big Hath on September 06, 2016, 09:36:35 AM
I cut bait on the show this week.  Starz was running a Bond marathon over the weekend and I needed DVR space to record a few I hadn't seen in a while so I didn't even record FTWD.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 06, 2016, 09:38:17 AM
It doesn't even matter what Bond movie it was, you made the right choice. :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Big Hath on September 06, 2016, 09:44:02 AM
not to turn this into a Bond thread, but this weekend I watched Thunderball, From Russia With Love, You Only Live Twice, and Diamonds Are Forever.  I still have On Her Majesty's Secret Service, the two Timothy Dalton movies, Goldeneye, and one more Roger Moore movie that I can't think of at the moment.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Progmetty on September 06, 2016, 09:02:41 PM
This current fuckin season has been going on for 6 freakin month?! I had intended when it started to wait until it's done and then binge watch it and every time I check to see if it's over I find that it isn't.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 07, 2016, 04:55:43 PM
Also, introducing even more generic human bad guys. As soon as you see some new people, you're just like "yep, they're going to be bad guys". It's so tired and cheesy.
Yea stuff like that just makes me tired.

I bailed from TWD or atleast I got tired of that show and I thought this show would be a breath of fresh air, it was for a couple of episodes then it just turned to a generic mess of a show. Atleast TWD had and still has some interesting characters despite my lack of interest in their fate at this point, this show is even worse with absolutely no interest in any characters or their fate whatsoever. Nick showed some promise but yea not even him can save this show at this point.  :-\
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 27, 2016, 04:27:59 AM
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

In that entire episode, there was literally only a 2 second shot of 3 distant zombies minding their own business and posing no threat at all to anyone, and that was with 5 minutes left in the episode. You could show someone that episode without them even realizing it was supposed to be a show about zombies. And I knew the generic human bad guys were going to kill that sick guy 10 minutes before it happened. I was hoping the kid was going to get killed too, but that was just wishful thinking. They were just drawing it out ambiguously for half an hour so maybe the audience could pretend anything ever happened in this show, or that characters were under any threat of ever dying.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 27, 2016, 08:44:39 AM
The only hope this show has at retaining me as a viewer is killing off AT LEAST ONE of the main characters next week. That's about all that can entice me to watch anymore of this show.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 03, 2016, 03:06:06 AM
That second last episode was probably the best they've had so far, but I still have major gripes.
They killed off a cast member, and ditched two locations, and not one of those events involved walkers. Chris got killed by humans (although that was a very satisfying death), they had to leave the hotel because a human killed some humans over killing a human, and the Mexican group had to leave their camp because of the generic human bad guys coming to kill them. Ofelia took on a bunch of zombies no problem, then got taken by a generic human bad guy. Enough with the fucking humans already. Remember when the zombie apocalypse was enough of a threat?
The one hoard of zombies was a non threat to the Mexican camp the entire time despite their flimsy fence, and only become a threat when they opened it up themselves to block in the bad guys. The whole Mexican group had a small smear of blood on their face and were all happily walking around the streets. The two times they've done this in TWD, they had to be completely covered in giblets, and still had to be extra cautious around walkers. Then it ends with...... generic human bad guys again!

I guess I should say something positive....... Travis killing those dudes was the first decent thing he's done, even though they were basically unable to fight due to being in a car accident. Nick thumbing the walker through the eye sockets was the best gore in the show so far.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlackInk on October 03, 2016, 03:14:21 AM
This seems to be be how they run these shows. Make the audience hate every character, so that any death feels like a relief. And make every episode suck ass, so that when anything at all happens in the season finale or something everyone will be all "well it's the best one so far".
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 03, 2016, 03:24:56 AM
The fact it was the best so far certainly wasn't a compliment. :lol It was just the least dull out of a pretty dull run. At its best, it was still only what I'd expect from a regular episode of TWD.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 11, 2016, 06:46:27 PM
That annoying son is finally dead, based on that I rate the last episode 5 out of 5 stars.

Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Rattlehead on October 11, 2016, 07:20:17 PM
Serious question: do people get enough enjoyment out of bashing this show to keep watching it?
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 12, 2016, 07:48:17 AM
Serious question: do people get enough enjoyment out of bashing this show to keep watching it?

I don't like bashing the show.....I wish it weren't bashable. IMO they've made some odd choices as to what they are doing with the characters. First of which, they've turned the original group into a unit of zombie assassins in no time flat...a 17 year old fragile high school girl who is like Laura Croft now....a divorcee woman counselor that is now a Special Forces member.....and so on. At least in TWD they were terrified of zombies at first and a lot of the original cast were killed off. The only people FTWD have lost have been from Humans...not zombies.

There should be two or three of the original people....Nick for sure because he's probably the 'main' character of the show.....but after that.....pick one or two and the rest should have been killed off by now.

I want to like the show because I like that genre....it's just tough to take at the moment
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Rattlehead on October 12, 2016, 08:08:17 PM
First of which, they've turned the original group into a unit of zombie assassins in no time flat...a 17 year old fragile high school girl who is like Laura Croft now....a divorcee woman counselor that is now a Special Forces member.....and so on. At least in TWD they were terrified of zombies at first and a lot of the original cast were killed off. The only people FTWD have lost have been from Humans...not zombies.

Did you forget how easily Carl was able to shoot someone in the head in the dark from 50+ feet away in Season 2? How old was he supposed to be at that point, 10? To suggest that TWD is any less ridiculous is comical.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 12, 2016, 10:55:20 PM
FTWD is noticeably more ridiculous. Sure they both have their moments, after all it's post apocalyptic fiction about zombies based on a comic book, but the thing is FTWD has been ridiculous even relative to the baseline of TWD as pointed out throughout the thread.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 13, 2016, 06:42:29 AM
First of which, they've turned the original group into a unit of zombie assassins in no time flat...a 17 year old fragile high school girl who is like Laura Croft now....a divorcee woman counselor that is now a Special Forces member.....and so on. At least in TWD they were terrified of zombies at first and a lot of the original cast were killed off. The only people FTWD have lost have been from Humans...not zombies.

Did you forget how easily Carl was able to shoot someone in the head in the dark from 50+ feet away in Season 2? How old was he supposed to be at that point, 10? To suggest that TWD is any less ridiculous is comical.

At least Carl was the son of a cop....where he's been around guns and most likely shot them. Plus at that time Shane had been secretly showing him how to shoot.....so that example really doesnt compare.

I'm not saying TWD hasn't had issues with implausibility but they are FAR fewer that FTWD.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Rattlehead on October 13, 2016, 07:14:39 PM
So it's normal for a child to be able to use a gun if their father is a police officer? That's news to me... I do realize Shane showed him how to shoot a few times, but I still found it hilarious that he was able to shoot someone in the head from a significant distance in the dark (in just one try). He's probably the most badass 10 year old in TV history for that  :lol

I just have a hard time buying the argument that FTWD is "noticeably more ridiculous" when I think about that scene, as well as the one where Glenn escapes death by rolling under a dumpster while surrounded by a sea of zombies.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: soupytwist on October 14, 2016, 01:39:59 AM
So it's normal for a child to be able to use a gun if their father is a police officer? That's news to me... I do realize Shane showed him how to shoot a few times, but I still found it hilarious that he was able to shoot someone in the head from a significant distance in the dark (in just one try). He's probably the most badass 10 year old in TV history for that  :lol

I just have a hard time buying the argument that FTWD is "noticeably more ridiculous" when I think about that scene, as well as the one where Glenn escapes death by rolling under a dumpster while surrounded by a sea of zombies.

The difference is when FtWD does something ridiculous it has nothing in the bank to fall back on - if the writing was stronger or the characters were remotely interesting or likable you could let the moments of silliness slide (like I tend to do on TWD).  But when your enjoyment of a show is already in the gutter it magnifies any stupidity ten fold.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Rattlehead on October 14, 2016, 08:29:53 PM
So it's normal for a child to be able to use a gun if their father is a police officer? That's news to me... I do realize Shane showed him how to shoot a few times, but I still found it hilarious that he was able to shoot someone in the head from a significant distance in the dark (in just one try). He's probably the most badass 10 year old in TV history for that  :lol

I just have a hard time buying the argument that FTWD is "noticeably more ridiculous" when I think about that scene, as well as the one where Glenn escapes death by rolling under a dumpster while surrounded by a sea of zombies.

The difference is when FtWD does something ridiculous it has nothing in the bank to fall back on - if the writing was stronger or the characters were remotely interesting or likable you could let the moments of silliness slide (like I tend to do on TWD).  But when your enjoyment of a show is already in the gutter it magnifies any stupidity ten fold.

Let's not forget that we're only two seasons into this show if you made it that far. I didn't find many characters on TWD that interesting at the end of the second season, but there were several other things that kept me coming back for more just like FTWD. Both shows are clearly far from perfect, and seem to have many similarities, so to me it just seems strange to see how hard some TWD fans are on this show.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Mr. Ister on October 16, 2016, 07:20:58 AM
So it's normal for a child to be able to use a gun if their father is a police officer? That's news to me... I do realize Shane showed him how to shoot a few times, but I still found it hilarious that he was able to shoot someone in the head from a significant distance in the dark (in just one try). He's probably the most badass 10 year old in TV history for that  :lol

I just have a hard time buying the argument that FTWD is "noticeably more ridiculous" when I think about that scene, as well as the one where Glenn escapes death by rolling under a dumpster while surrounded by a sea of zombies.

The difference is when FtWD does something ridiculous it has nothing in the bank to fall back on - if the writing was stronger or the characters were remotely interesting or likable you could let the moments of silliness slide (like I tend to do on TWD).  But when your enjoyment of a show is already in the gutter it magnifies any stupidity ten fold.

Let's not forget that we're only two seasons into this show if you made it that far. I didn't find many characters on TWD that interesting at the end of the second season, but there were several other things that kept me coming back for more just like FTWD. Both shows are clearly far from perfect, and seem to have many similarities, so to me it just seems strange to see how hard some TWD fans are on this show.

Think about where TWD was at the end of the 2nd season.  Rick had reunited with his family, Merle had been an ass, they had to abandon members of their own party, they met new people had to kill newcomers on behalf of those people, and Rick had to kill his best friend.  I haven't seen the last 4-5 eps of this show, but nothing had near the emotional valence of any of that or made me attach to any of these characters like those events did.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 16, 2016, 09:44:48 AM
Think about where TWD was at the end of the 2nd season.  Rick had reunited with his family, Merle had been an ass, they had to abandon members of their own party, they met new people had to kill newcomers on behalf of those people, and Rick had to kill his best friend.  I haven't seen the last 4-5 eps of this show, but nothing had near the emotional valence of any of that or made me attach to any of these characters like those events did.

totally this. Any emotion that they've been trying to convey is very 'forced'. I felt no emotion for Travis when he learned his son had been murdered by those two dudes because they had spent 6 episodes turning his son into a complete dick...and even in doing that they were writing his character in a way that no 'real' person acts...they just don't. So their desire for the emotion behind some of these scenes was not present because of....IMO....the inability to write effective characters.

TWD in the first two seasons tied to you Rick, his son, Laurie and Shane very well which made anything that happened to them emotional.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on June 05, 2017, 09:06:12 AM
This show lost me last year.  I watched Season 2 and gave up a few weeks before the finale.  I was just fast-forwarding through the episodes on the DVR, waiting to see if anything interested happened.  I didn't care for any of the Mexico arc (though I respect that they showed how different cultures have different beliefs when it comes to the dead), and didn't care for any of the characters at all.  The season 2 finale lulled me back in, since it finally started to push the characters into the kill or be-killed mindset of the world that they now live in.

So Season 3 premiered last night and I was pretty impressed.  The first two episodes were very action packed and full of tension...and loss.  I finally feel like this is more of a higher-stakes world ala the primary Walking Dead series.  I'll keep watching to see where it's headed.

If you haven't been too happy with the show, try watching last night's episode (at least the first and the first 15 minutes or so of the second and see how you feel.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 05, 2017, 09:33:10 AM
I agree. First two seasons were relatively boring. The two hour premier of season three seemed to have introduced an interesting new angle and I was glad to see them grow a pair and kill off a core character (of importance)
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 12, 2017, 12:53:03 PM
Actually thought the last episode was pretty good, atleast it made the show a bit more interesting.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 12, 2017, 01:58:01 PM
I like the direction they've taken the show thus far. Simply because it has a direction and they are doing it well. It was a good idea to break Strands character/story off to a separate Stoy like they have. He's a cool enough character to carry a 'stand alone' storyline
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 18, 2017, 09:53:03 PM
Another solid episode. This series is really finding its place and is settling in to a nice vibe
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on June 19, 2017, 06:45:37 AM
I loved that episode with Daniel, and the preview for next week looks killer too.  The Daniel and Strand Road Show.   :metal
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 19, 2017, 03:37:33 PM
Yea it's definitely more interesting than usual.  :tup
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Progmetty on June 23, 2017, 01:46:55 AM
I'm midway through season 2 and felt like I need to share an opinion because I'm boiling.
two things I never fuckin do, one I've already done and the second is what I'm here to do and I apologize in advance.
The two things are:
1. Continue watching something that I don't like, especially when it gets me to this level of aggravation. But my excuse is that I'm stranded somewhere for work now, my internet is not good enough for streaming or downloading anything and FTWD season 2 has already been on my hard drive for a long time.
2. Go into a thread that celebrates something and start shitting on it, I really don't like people who do that and I've never done it myself.
BUT GOOD FUCKIN GOD IS THIS SHOW SHIT. It's not shitty, it is shit. It oozes shit.
This show makes the main show looks like a fuckin masterpiece of writing, I need to apologize to Gimple in person and recommend him for the Noble prize in literature!
The characters are so badly written, it actually gives me a headache sometimes. 90% of their actions are either unjustifiable or illogical and the remaining 10% is plainly the worst choice you could have made in any given situation they face.
The actors are understandably just unable to make the best out of the scripts, but either way other than Curtis and not-Johnny-Depp; the rest of the cast are godawful, excruciatingly.
And btw, wasn't this show sold to us as something that would show us the beginning of the outbreak and how everything fell apart? how much did we see of that really?! How quickly did this show turn into the main show but with a different group?
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 23, 2017, 03:40:06 AM
It's fair to say that there was quite a bit of talk about the quailty of season 2 in this thread.  :lol I say if you survive all the way through S02, there's some shining light in S03 but don't expect it in the first episode.  :P Honestly, the recent episodes have been probably the best of the entire show.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 09, 2017, 10:27:40 PM
What a mid season finale! This show is pretty friggin awesome right now. I love how they've really found a groove with this season. Very excited for the second half of the season.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on July 10, 2017, 06:47:33 AM
I'm really happy with the season so far - the finale was full of tension and unexpected moments.  Looking forward to the back half of the season now! 
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 10, 2017, 07:51:31 AM
I think it'd be very interesting to see them gradually turn Madison into a 'Governor' or 'Neegan' type character. Rather than have her group always be the 'good' guys.....she ultimately becomes the 'bad' guy all the while justifying it through doing it for the better of her family and the people she's protecting.

They've spoken about it before to where had we followed Neegan's crew around for 5 seasons you'd have thought Rick's group were the bad guys given what they'd done to Neegans men. It's all about perspective. That's why I think it'd be neat to see them lead Madison's character down that road....it'd be different yet interesting.

But thus far...this season of FTWD has been pretty dang great and dare I say on par or better than TWD.....
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on July 10, 2017, 08:38:48 AM
That would be an interesting twist, especially since the main show follows a group that will always be the "good guys" in the viewer's eyes, justifying their actions for the safety of the group.  The mid-season finale did address it a little with the skeleton buried under the house and Nick/Alicia trying to convince Madison that there have to be lines that aren't crossed, but she's willing to cross them based on her backstory. 

I don't know if it would work though - the lines are always blurred, especially in this story.  Who is good and who is bad?  Jeremiah had it right - he who holds the land, owns the land.  Is it wrong for the Native Americans to try to take back the land now that there is no law and order in the world since they were wronged years ago?

It's pretty clear that Madison is now the leader and decision maker (which I love - I'm glad that SOMEONE finally stepped up on this show and is doing what needs to be done), though she'll probably lead through Jake and Troy, since they are the family that leads the ranch.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: lucky7 on September 10, 2017, 08:45:09 PM
I must say I just watch this one while I wait for The Walking Dead to come back on.
But it did seem to improve before the mid season break. Actually looking forward to watching it later after work!
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 10, 2017, 11:15:51 PM
This season has been terrific and it hasn't stopped. Great mid season premier that sets in motion plenty of believable conflict. It feels like this show is reallly getting its footing.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on September 11, 2017, 08:55:18 AM
I'm really happy with this season.  I like the idea that water has become the big ticket commodity in these desert areas.  You don't get that in the main show, since it's set in rural Georgia or the eastern US, where it is plentiful.  It's also allowing these characters that were split off to finally reunite.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: lucky7 on September 11, 2017, 03:17:56 PM
It was great opener. Though I do wish they would kill off the daughter, is she just there as eye candy for you guys?!
Nick seems like he has put on a bit of weight, which is probably good, he did look quite emaciated for a while.
Even if he was portraying an ex junkie. Look forward to seeing where it does from here...  :corn
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 24, 2017, 09:34:41 PM
Yet another solid episode. Great action, great story going on. Really like this season.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: lucky7 on September 25, 2017, 03:57:11 PM
^^^^Too True .. Looking forward to the last 3 episodes to see where it goes from here.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 26, 2017, 02:48:54 PM
Been some solid episodes this season but I find Troy to be so damn annoying and i'm so confused why Madison and Nick seems to protect him all the time. Madison could have just killed him at the desert for all he's done because she's killed others before but nooo she just let him go when it's sooo damn clear he will be back. The same with Nick, he couldn't let Jake kill him and now Jake is dead and Troy is alive.  :facepalm:

I also wonder why they didn't use the grenade launcher? even if it was to late they could have atleast tried to lure the zombies away with it.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on October 01, 2017, 08:21:05 PM
Holy crap was that a brutal episode.  I don't even think that the main show has really gone there. Yeah, they sacrifice the infected and put them down, but that many?  All by one person?

Absolutely fantastic - I felt so awful while watching that episode, which is nice to know that these series can still do that to me at times.   
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 01, 2017, 10:17:03 PM
Holy crap was that a brutal episode.  I don't even think that the main show has really gone there. Yeah, they sacrifice the infected and put them down, but that many?  All by one person?

Absolutely fantastic - I felt so awful while watching that episode, which is nice to know that these series can still do that to me at times.   

Yeah, this was another great episode. Like you said, this episode was DARK! Alicia's character will never be the same....and I like the fact she had the epiphany she had and wants to go it alone now.

I've enjoyed this third season greatly, it's been real strong and has me excited to see where they take it next season.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 09, 2017, 09:10:31 AM
Confirmation that FTWD will cross over with TWD sometime next season. How they pull it off is the question? I'm leaning towards one of the characters from FTWD showing up in TWD's timeline. There are several characters in FTWD that are splintering off now so I could see Alicia, Strand, Nick or Madison going off on their own and ending up on TWD.

Madison has a southern history....from Alabama....maybe they show a flashback and she's related to Daryl/Merle or even Rick?

I just hope it's done well and it's not cheesy.

but as for FTWD all I can say is this was a make or break season for me to continue watching and it definitely 'made' it for me. Really good storytelling this season from them...it was on point and focused unlike the first two seasons.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on October 09, 2017, 09:31:26 AM
Confirmation that FTWD will cross over with TWD sometime next season. How they pull it off is the question? I'm leaning towards one of the characters from FTWD showing up in TWD's timeline. There are several characters in FTWD that are splintering off now so I could see Alicia, Strand, Nick or Madison going off on their own and ending up on TWD.

Madison has a southern history....from Alabama....maybe they show a flashback and she's related to Daryl/Merle or even Rick?

I just hope it's done well and it's not cheesy.

I saw that article and the ideas are fantastic.  They've stated that FTWD is now at a timeline of being equal to Seasons 1 and early Season 2 of The Walking Dead.  This brings up so many more options since they could also cross over with earlier characters from TWD that have since been killed off (Shane, Andrea, even the Governor)

Abraham, Eugene and Rosita met in Texas and were traveling east when they arrived on TWD - and with FTWD being set in the west, one of these characters is my likely bet. 

But with Madison's past being in the southeast, they could easily cross over any of the main characters as well, though it would probably need to be a pre-apocalypse flashback since that's way too great of a distance to travel.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 09, 2017, 09:54:27 AM
Confirmation that FTWD will cross over with TWD sometime next season. How they pull it off is the question? I'm leaning towards one of the characters from FTWD showing up in TWD's timeline. There are several characters in FTWD that are splintering off now so I could see Alicia, Strand, Nick or Madison going off on their own and ending up on TWD.

Madison has a southern history....from Alabama....maybe they show a flashback and she's related to Daryl/Merle or even Rick?

I just hope it's done well and it's not cheesy.

I saw that article and the ideas are fantastic.  They've stated that FTWD is now at a timeline of being equal to Seasons 1 and early Season 2 of The Walking Dead.  This brings up so many more options since they could also cross over with earlier characters from TWD that have since been killed off (Shane, Andrea, even the Governor)

Abraham, Eugene and Rosita met in Texas and were traveling east when they arrived on TWD - and with FTWD being set in the west, one of these characters is my likely bet. 

But with Madison's past being in the southeast, they could easily cross over any of the main characters as well, though it would probably need to be a pre-apocalypse flashback since that's way too great of a distance to travel.

The Abraham angle is cool...could easily be accomplished. My hope is that it's just done well and it's not forced.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 15, 2017, 12:41:04 AM
Finally got around to catching up. I don't even know why I'm still watching at this point other than to laugh at it while watching it with other people, but here are my thoughts.

There's barely ever a zombie in this show, and when there is, it's just some inconsequential background zombie. Instead we get boring shit about land disputes and parlays and water rations. I. DON'T. CARE. They can walk around barefoot in the desert for a whole day and not worry about zombies. They can conjure up a zombie horde and then just sit around in the middle of their path without encountering the zombies. I don't know how their society has degraded when the zombies are such a non issue in this show.

Then finally we get a zombie horde and you realize why this show never has zombie hordes. It's a zombie show that doesn't have the budget for any actual zombies! That's why they stick to distant shots of little specks covered with a dust cloud, or a behind shot, or some blurry distant shot, or a shaky close up of a person with a bit of blood smeared on them. That previous episode was hilariously bad. They get a zombie horde, so they all lock themselves in the bunker, then the daughter does some magical calculation that they have two hours of air left (I don't know what figures she was working with, but it was manufactured drama, they'd have survived a lot longer than that). Then everyone simultaneously dies and turns to zombies except for daughter who gets magically saved at the last minute by her mother. Native American dude didn't seem too cut up that all of his people just died either. Has he even mentioned them? I'd have risked just opening the door again and risk the zombies instead of getting bored to death. You didn't even hear the zombies at the door once they were in there. And the entire horde was basically killed off by an off screen explosion because they didn't have the budget to deal with it. Ofelia was also completely fine for the oxygen situation despite being the one doing physical activity. Being main cast makes you invincible!

The worst part is that so few characters die, and when they do, it's rarely even zombies, it's people. Travis died because people shot him out of a helicopter. His son got shot by humans because he doesn't have his driver's license. Farm dude got shot by Nick. Even during a zombie horde, half of them died from lack of oxygen before a zombie managed to get to them. You'd think then that a show that basically has to avoid zombies and focus on humans would at least have the drama side down, but that's the worst part. Was I supposed to care about the barely missed reunion of Ofelia and father? Because it's really hard to care about two characters that we haven't seen for an entire season and have forgotten about only to magically reappear, one of who just killed half the camp with anthrax, and it was painfully obvious they were going to make her die just before the reunion as soon as dad said he wanted to see his daughter. Such contrived drama. Was I supposed to care about the old lady who died in the bunker just because she had a one minute conversation with the daughter? The only character I remotely care about is Strand, because he's the only one with any personality, and gets the good one liners. None of their deaths would bother me in the slightest.

And somewhere along the way they decided that every main character is a hardened killing machine despite the fact they've actually had a pretty cushy run up to now. Madison acts like she's S7 Rick Grimes, but I'm not buying it. The lame afterthought backstory about killing her dad doesn't do anything to help her cause. She walks in and acts like she's the boss, without earning it.
And now the daughter decides she's going to be on her own because reasons, and stumbles across Michonne Light (who seems like a promising character at least), and Nick decides he's going to stay behind at that place because reasons. I guess they're following the TWD rulebook of splitting every character up so we get a whole bunch of individual character episodes. My favourite.

The show is just so poorly written in general. Half the time I feel like I must have missed a scene or episode because things just happen out of nowhere or don't get shown or explained properly. This show is all of the worst parts of TWD, minus any of the remaining good things. I'm tired of the TWD formula of finding some place to live with a bunch of humans in some cartoony little society with its cartoony quirks, then they get attacked by some other group of people from a different cartoony little society with its cartoony little quirks, then you end the season with it getting destroyed and the characters move along and get split up until the end of the next season. If only they'd throw in the obligatory cast zombie deaths too.

This show could have learned from TWD's mistakes, and tried something different and fresh, but instead it's just a cheap and lazy cash-in milking the name while it's still financially viable. A crossover would definitely help the show, but it might be too little, too late.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 15, 2017, 09:14:36 AM
I don't know Blob, I'd agree with that review for the first two seasons but IMO season three took a good turn. I don't mind the fact there are less Walkers and appreciate the effort to make it a more character orientated show.

Are there flaws? Yep. But it's a show about zombies not a sequel to The Godfather. I overlook little flaws like the characters being killing machines already and the unpredictable nature and size of the walker migrations. There'd be no show if this were 'realistic' because realistically they'd all have never made it out of LA

I've enjoyed season three and hope they keep the focus on the characters like they have.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 15, 2017, 09:36:03 AM
I disagree they've focused more on characters, or that their flaws are little.
There's no depth to these characters, and there's been no any logical progression as to how they went from everyday bumbling idiots to cold remorseless killers. One day they're getting drunk in a hotel and making lots of noise, then suddenly they're all pros with knives and guns, and acting like this has been their way of life for as long as they can remember. Nothing on screen supported this sudden turn, and it feels totally unearned and false. It's like they wanted to be TWD S6 already, but didn't want to do any of the stuff inbetween that gave it weight or truth. With Rick you could feel this stuff weighing on his mind, because we saw where he started, and we understand the actions that have led to him being the way he is now. With Madison it's like shut the fuck up and sit down, soccer mom. You've done nothing. The show has a whole lot of talking, but it doesn't achieve much with it.
On top of that, there's no personality to make up for it, and they're cliche in their characterization. Most of the main characters are interchangable cutouts now.

I don't care about realism, I just want a show that makes me care about the characters, and feel like there's some depth or nuance to them (and I'm not talking backstories made up on the spot), and make me believe the journey from point A to point B. There's a lack of internal consistency to the characters, and the entire setting. I'd also like a show that can manage drama without resorting to the lazy fallback of making everyone an evil dick to each other.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 15, 2017, 02:12:53 PM
I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on TWD or FTWD. I just treat each show as cheap entertainment. I like zombie/post apocalyptic shows no matter how 'cheesy' they are. All the points you mentioned are perfectly valid...I just don't personally get hung up on them or let it ruing the show for me. I get my fix on 'well written shows/characters' from other sources....TWD and FTWD have never been one of those sources for me.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 17, 2017, 01:55:31 AM
I don't expect Shakespeare or anything, there's just very little appeal here to me. I admit I'm only still watching this show because it has "The Walking Dead" in the title, and it's an excuse to spend time with family and mock it. I'm fine with cheap entertainment, but it still needs to entertain me on some level. Sharknado manages to be incredibly entertaining cheap garbage for me, so I don't think my standards are too highbrow here. :lol
Take away the name of the show, and what appeal is left? It's not zombies, it's not characters, it's not plots. I don't know.

I finally finished the finale (I watched it over two days because I can't watch that much of this in one sitting).

Part 1 starts off with Nick and friend just killing and collecting zombie heads like they're sea shells because apparently a group of zombies is no match for a druggy with a machete. No biggy. The shopping cart full of squirming heads was probably the best part of the finale though.
Alicia just appears at some place with a doctor with her friend who then just disappears entirely from the show without a mention. And what luck she ends up with the bad guy just before going back to the dam. And for some reason they add in this dumb thing of him having a tumor removed from his spine right then and there before getting up and leaving. The stupidity of this whole setup boggles the mind, and that wasn't even a necessary or relevant addition beyond having another silly comic book style quirk to a bad guy.

Then ruthless killer Madison kills a dude in cold blood because that's how she rolls now. Old dude gets shot in the face, but the show wasn't kind enough to just kill him off outright. His survival is an endless source of disappointment. If we're really lucky it might at least leave him mute.
The second episode of the double is padded out with a pointless Christmas dream just because Madison made a passing reference to it earlier. Seeing all of these characters together reminds me just how little investment I have/had in any of them.

Then Nick threatens to blow up the dam. Please, kill any other character but Nick. He's one of only two half interesting characters in the entire run of the show. :lol I'll just assume every character survives despite their cliffhanger, or else they'd probably have just done it already. But yet again it would be a human killing a human with no involvement from a zombie.

Speaking of which, besides the opening minute with Nick going zombie shopping, I don't think there was a single walker in the entire double episode. Every time I watch this show with my sister, we'll just randomly joke "hey, remember zombies?" "Nope". It's just a running gag at this point that the zombie show has no actual zombies.

As I said, I don't really know why I still watch this, so I apologize for the rants. :lol At least I fell behind so you didn't have to put up with it for every episode.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: lucky7 on October 23, 2017, 01:28:01 PM
I forgot all about that lady with Alicia. Alicia seemed to have forgotten as well.

So Madison ends up nearly dead at the end, where did the others go?

I must say during the finale I was upset that Madison killed Troy, I actually liked him in the end with Nick and wanted to see where it would go.
I was hoping they might drive off and end up intersecting with TWD.

As for the walkers, they are a very minor character in this show.

Another year now before we see this again.

Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 09, 2018, 12:26:01 PM
So is anyone still watching?

Honestly I don't care about any character anymore and have pretty much zero interest in the show other than watching it progress. It's sad because the last season felt prettty good and brought some interesting events, so far this season I feel I can predict pretty much the whole season.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2018, 12:51:43 PM
I’m watching. I really dug last season and think this season has been pretty good. I like FTWD a lot.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2018, 10:31:13 PM
This show is everything TWD should be. Another great episode.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on May 21, 2018, 08:16:40 AM
Each week gets better and better.  It's amazing that the main show failed with the comic's greatest story (Negan/All Out War) and this one knocks it out of the park every single week.  The timeline jumping is awesome, and it's keeping me on my toes, wondering what happened and when.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 21, 2018, 08:39:35 AM
Each week gets better and better.  It's amazing that the main show failed with the comic's greatest story (Negan/All Out War) and this one knocks it out of the park every single week.  The timeline jumping is awesome, and it's keeping me on my toes, wondering what happened and when.

I love the way they are filling in ‘what happened’ in the time jump with tid bits of conversation and not dedicated episodes to walk us through it. Just enough info to explain it and allow the viewer to put it together.

The conflict this season is awesome. Not an over the top sinister villian yet you can tell that group is pretty mean.

The characters they’ve introduced are well thought out and developed and they’ve improved the original cast through storytelling as well.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: nattmorker on June 25, 2018, 10:14:47 AM
I finally caught up with last season, I really liked it. I agree that somewhere in the middle of season 3 the show begin to be really good. So, we are now in the midseason finale, let's see how they continue with the rest of the season.

I didn't understand if John (Morgan's friend) was alive at the end, I guess he could be recovering in the vehicle as the others were by the fire finishing telling the story.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 25, 2018, 10:30:47 AM
I didn't understand if John (Morgan's friend) was alive at the end, I guess he could be recovering in the vehicle as the others were by the fire finishing telling the story.

I took it as they did save him and he was just in the vehicle recovering.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on June 26, 2018, 08:41:30 AM
I'm still amazed that they killed off Madison.  It's nice to see that the showrunners took Kim Dickens' concerns into consideration and let her go out in a sacrificial way to save her kids. 

I'm looking forward to seeing where the show goes in the back half of the season - they've completed the arc with the Vultures, and likely the majority of the flashback storytelling....so now it's all moving forward.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 26, 2018, 09:24:59 AM
FTWD at this point is far more compelling than TWD. Better characters, better story being told and better acting.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 27, 2018, 03:56:01 PM
Sidenote: I stumbled upon a live music clip on facebook with a singer called Rubén Blades...wait a minute I know that face. Googled and hey it's Daniel Salazar which apparently is a huge salsa singer icon in his home country Panama. He even once run for presidency in Panama.  :lol

I love finding random facts like that on people you only know from a character on TV.

Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: nattmorker on September 28, 2018, 09:59:59 AM
Wow, I didn't know that. I searched him on youtube, it's funny to watch him singing and thinking about him as Daniel.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on October 17, 2018, 10:10:23 AM
I pretty much liked the season finale.  Overall, it was a great season - I loved having Morgan tie the two shows together, and hearing him talk about his friends and Alexandria in Fear was so neat to hear on a show that is in the same universe, but has always been separated by distance. 

I was truly hoping that they would combine the shows at the end, with the talk of everyone going to Virgina, but that was overruled by creating a new, small community to help others (and vanquish their new villain in the second half of the season).  The main show was always about creating a little hope where none exists, so that was a nice touch....though it will likely fall to pieces next season.   :)

Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 31, 2018, 12:25:09 PM
I dug the first half of the season a lot. Pretty strong and was on a good track. Second half of the season was a train wreck and destroyed any of the ground the show had made up with that awesome third season and strong first half.

The ‘crazy lady’ character and storyline for the last 4-5 episodes was atrocious. Horribly written and completely irrelevant. They tried to ruin Morgan’s character with the whole  ‘won’t kill’ anyone and that everyone can be saved in the flagship show and inexplicably carried it over to this show and about ruined him again.

Really disappointed with the finale and direction they took the back half of the season.  Total bore fest and had the same storytelling issues the main show had been suffering from. No coincidence being that Gimple took over the direction of that show as well.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 03, 2018, 01:58:36 PM
Such a boring ending, would have been interesting to see them go to Virginia and connect the two shows but of course Morgan changed his mind at the last second, stupid tease by the writers. That whole story arc with that crazy lady was so boring.

Overall I found myself more annoyed about everything this season, such a shame when the last season was such a breath of fresh air for the show.  :-\


*Slight spoilers for TWD and me rambling on*
Btw I recently decided to dive into TWD again after a couple of years break. I completly lost interest in the show after S06. Saw S07 and S08, can't watch S09 unfourtunately so i'm avoiding the main thread.
I'm not sure what to say honestly, in the end I actually enjoyed Negan as a character. I just hate how the show always takes 1 step forward and the suddenly 2 steps back, it gets so annoying after a while.
I was so annoyed that Rick never mentioned to anyone about the Heli he saw that later shows up with Negan and that lady, stuff like that really annoys me.
Another thing that bugs me is how little the show explores what actually caused the outbreak, at this point I want something completly diffrent to happen instead of another season of killfest. I'm so tired of them fighting other groups all the time but of course that's probably why they have so many seasons.
I think my main problem with the show is that I simply don't care about any characters in the show either TWD or FTWD anymore and that is a problem when the entire focus of the show(s) is the characters and the people.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 04, 2019, 07:30:30 PM
First episode was pretty Blah. On the heels of that horrible second half last year and the fact there’s just too much other good content out there to invest in....I’ll be a sport and give them two, maybe three more episodes to earn my viewership rights.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on June 05, 2019, 06:08:50 AM
I'm intrigued by a few things that will keep me watching:

1.  Daniel's back! 
2.  The logo on the paperwork that Al was looking at at the end is the same logo that was on the helicopter that took Jadis and Rick on the main show.  So they are now using Fear to do some universe-building and expanding. 
3.  Dwight is crossing over to Fear this season.

We'll see where it all goes.  I still enjoy all of the characters on this show.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: nattmorker on June 27, 2019, 07:10:46 PM
I've enjoyed this season so far, there are some things I don't like (the splitting of the bullet with the axe  :yeahright)  but it is an overall entertaining show to watch. I really liked the return of Dwight!

Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2019, 07:30:41 PM
I've enjoyed this season so far, there are some things I don't like (the splitting of the bullet with the axe  :yeahright)  but it is an overall entertaining show to watch. I really liked the return of Dwight!

I’m still with it. I thought the last couple episodes were good. That first one was rough. Dwight being back is a cool layer to the show now.
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on June 28, 2019, 06:13:18 AM
I'm still watching too....and love John Dorie, so I have no problem with his trick shots and splitting the bullet.   :metal   This universe hasn't ever had a gunslinger, so it's fun to watch him.

Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 04, 2019, 09:39:29 AM
Ooof. Man, this show is just a roller coaster. And not in a good way. It's been really good at times but when it's not it is REALLY bad. And, IMO.....the last 3-4 episodes including the finale were REALLY bad. Like...laughable bad.

The show for whatever reason utterly refuses to kill off any of the 'main' cast.....every now and then will kill off some no namer.....but treats the main cast as untouchable. The last main cast member to die was the Mom and that was almost (2) full seasons ago.

The story is just unbearable at this point.....as well as Morgan's character. To bring him to this show then trash his character the way they did is actually par for course when you think about Gimple's track record. I have zero motivation to watch next season, especially with the utterly ridiculous way they ended it. Completely 'unbelievable' (i know its a zombie show) in the way that group would allow themselves to be split up like that.

Anyway....I say I'm done watching yet I'm mildly curious as to how much more bad it can get  :lol  So I'll probably start off watching next season just to see. But this show has long jumped the shark for me.

Here's hoping the next spin off can learn from this train wreck and maybe be good?
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: Grappler on October 04, 2019, 10:03:30 AM
I lost interest in this season completely.  Didn't watch episode 15 at all, then barely paid attention to the season finale.  I'm tired of the "documentary" thing that they're doing and the altruistic notion that they need to help everyone.  They introduced the people that took Rick in the helicopter, but haven't followed through with anything other than the one episode that involved them.  It was worldbuilding/universe building.  Having Dwight jump ship was fun, but the overall story didn't do much for me at all.  Still love John Dorie though.

The new bad guys are very much in the vein of The Saviors, which we've seen before...."we're taking you over and you now work for us."  Virginia is so boring.  At least with Negan, he has some personality, despite being an asshole.

I'll probably keep tabs on the series.  They really just need to march everyone east and join this series with the main series.  I though they'd do that last year, when Morgan was deciding to head home, but they didn't. 
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: New World Rushman on October 04, 2019, 11:45:28 AM
Stolen for a Reddit discussion:

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Cool so they're doing the "split everyone up so we only have to pay two actors an episode" thing they've always done plus the Glenn under a dumpster/season 6 finale cliffhanger bullshit they clearly didn't learn from. Season 6 writes itself!

Episode 1: Charlie centric of course!

Episode 2: We finally learn Morgan's fate; he gets up and walks away from the 6 walkers and finds a horse to ride.

Episode 3: Alicia and Wes paint fences under duress, and also kiss?!!?!?!

Episode 4: Althea starts doing journalism in a new medium like a newspaper or something.

etc. etc. etc.
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Episode 5: meow. Skidmark episode. Skidmark looking for Daniel :( (prob. the only thing worth watching)

Episode 6: John and June try to solve their marriage problems. Can they get Dr. Phil into this show?

Episode 7: All other background disappear. We see nothingness for entire episode.

Episode 8: All survivors suddenly know what it is.

Episode 9: Everyone's clear.

Episode 10: Everyone' ready to HEEEEEELP.
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What if 6.1 focuses on Skidmark. We see skidmark scared and alone in his cat carrier. Then we cut to flashbacks of Daniel training Skidmark, like a sort of Eye of the Tiger montage. Then Skidmark busts the hell out of his cat carrier and stealthily takes down Virginia's dudes at this outpost one by one. Skidmark vows to reclaim his humans, no matter how much carnage will be left in his wake.

With each new episode, Skidmark rescues one of the main characters and leads an attack on one of Virginia's communities. After rescuing Alicia, Strand, Luciana, Al, John, and Dwight, Skidmark realizes it is time for the midseason finale and there is only one character left who matters: Daniel. Skidmark leads an attack on Virginia's hq. They kill 100 of her people and only Virginia is left. Skidmark has a gun and she is cornered on the roof, but she is holding June hostage! Skidmark shoots them both in the head and they fall off the roof. Skidmark walks off toward the sunset with Daniel, all the while wondering why he bothered to get involved with these bozos. Daniel admits he was drunk on Jimbo's Beerbos throughout the whole thing.

Morgan arrives for the midseason premiere, and takes the remaining characters to a better show. The others are never heard from again.

 :lol
Title: Re: FEAR THE WALKING DEAD
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 04, 2019, 12:07:02 PM
Stolen for a Reddit discussion:

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Cool so they're doing the "split everyone up so we only have to pay two actors an episode" thing they've always done plus the Glenn under a dumpster/season 6 finale cliffhanger bullshit they clearly didn't learn from. Season 6 writes itself!

Episode 1: Charlie centric of course!

Episode 2: We finally learn Morgan's fate; he gets up and walks away from the 6 walkers and finds a horse to ride.

Episode 3: Alicia and Wes paint fences under duress, and also kiss?!!?!?!

Episode 4: Althea starts doing journalism in a new medium like a newspaper or something.

etc. etc. etc.
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Episode 5: meow. Skidmark episode. Skidmark looking for Daniel :( (prob. the only thing worth watching)

Episode 6: John and June try to solve their marriage problems. Can they get Dr. Phil into this show?

Episode 7: All other background disappear. We see nothingness for entire episode.

Episode 8: All survivors suddenly know what it is.

Episode 9: Everyone's clear.

Episode 10: Everyone' ready to HEEEEEELP.
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What if 6.1 focuses on Skidmark. We see skidmark scared and alone in his cat carrier. Then we cut to flashbacks of Daniel training Skidmark, like a sort of Eye of the Tiger montage. Then Skidmark busts the hell out of his cat carrier and stealthily takes down Virginia's dudes at this outpost one by one. Skidmark vows to reclaim his humans, no matter how much carnage will be left in his wake.

With each new episode, Skidmark rescues one of the main characters and leads an attack on one of Virginia's communities. After rescuing Alicia, Strand, Luciana, Al, John, and Dwight, Skidmark realizes it is time for the midseason finale and there is only one character left who matters: Daniel. Skidmark leads an attack on Virginia's hq. They kill 100 of her people and only Virginia is left. Skidmark has a gun and she is cornered on the roof, but she is holding June hostage! Skidmark shoots them both in the head and they fall off the roof. Skidmark walks off toward the sunset with Daniel, all the while wondering why he bothered to get involved with these bozos. Daniel admits he was drunk on Jimbo's Beerbos throughout the whole thing.

Morgan arrives for the midseason premiere, and takes the remaining characters to a better show. The others are never heard from again.

 :lol


 :lol   what's sad is the first four guesses there are probably spot on.   It's baffling to me how this show has went from pretty good in S3 when they were on the survivalist Ranch.....to just laughable. It's sooooo bad right now. The people who write the dialogue for these characters need to be replaced immediately by folks who aren't in high school.