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Dream Theater => Bootlegs and Trading => Topic started by: Prog Snob on April 15, 2015, 11:44:24 PM
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Just like the title says. I'm sure there are some dates out there that it's just impossible to track down a taper for. Are there any specific dates that come to mind that you would love to hear in bootleg form?
Here is the list of shows so far. I'll add to the list as we discover more. Hopefully I'll get to start crossing some off one day.
1992-10-19 - New Orleans, LA
1993-01-07 - Poughkeepsie, NY
1993-04-12 - Bonn, Germany
1993-04-22 - Buckley, North Wales
1993-05-16 - Albany, NY
1995-02-20 - Stockholm, Sweden
1997-11-18 - Madison, WI
1998-05-13 - Chicago, IL
1998-06-19 - Kauhajoki, Finland
1998-08-08 - Mansfield, MA
2000-02-02 - Santa Ana, CA
2002-03-20 - Toronto, ON
2004-03-17 - St. Louis, MO
2004-03-22 - Detroit, MI
2004-08-21 - Worcester, MA
2004-09-01 - Ottawa, Ontario
2008-06-04 - San Juan, Puerto Rico
2012-07-19 - Huntington, Long Island, NY
2012-08-08 - Guatemala City, Guatemala
2012-08-10 - San Salvador, El Salvador
2012-08-12 - San Jose, Costa Rica
2012-08-15 - Bogota, Columbia
2012-08-17 - Cordoba, Argentina
2012-08-22 - Santiago, Chile
2012-08-24 - Porto Alegre, Brazil
2012-08-26 - Sao Paulo, Brazil
2012-08-29 - Belo Horizonte, Brazil
2012-08-30 - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2012-09-01 - Brasilia, Brazil
2014-01-16 - Madrid, Spain
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The show I have always wanted but am sure it does not exist is 3/20/2002 Toronto, ON, Chris Jericho joins the band on stage and sings on Pull Me Under.
Always hoped this would surface as a Ytse Jam release.
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I am familiar with that show of course but I definitely don't have that boot.
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2004.09.01
2004.03.17
Been searching for those for six years, and at least the second exists in some form of recording.
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2004.09.01
2004.03.17
Been searching for those for six years, and at least the second exists in some form of recording.
I am pretty sure 3/17/04 is the show where some guy fell from the balcony going for a drum head that MP threw into the crowd.
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08/21/2004 Worcester, MA. Met the guys after this show. Great show where they opened with Metropolis (which was rare, I think, on the ToT tour), played the warped version of PMU, a stand-alone improv jam, and most of Six Degrees throughout the night (5/8 tracks). I don't think it was taped because I've never seen it on anyone's list
I've also always wanted 8/8/98 from Mansfield, MA because it was my first show (even though its only a 6 song show...)
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Besides the 3 shows from 2004 that have already been mentioned, here's some shows that I hope see the light of day:
1992/10/19 New Orleans - band ended the show early due to poor attendance
1993/01/07 Poughkeepsie - same setlist as 1993/01/02, which is different from what was played for the rest of this leg
1993/04/12 Bonn - there's a recording of just ACoS, and a video source (with worse sound) of the whole show - I'd like to get the better recording of the full show
1993/04/22 Buckley - like to find out what improv they played that night - MP didn't recall
1993/05/16 Albany - same setlist as 1993/05/15, which is also different from what was played for the rest of this leg
1995/02/20 Stockholm - problematic show that had an improv within the first 5 minutes of the show and other mishaps
1997/11/18 Madison - a great show I went to - would especially love the soundcheck at that show, where Derek played Randy Rhoad's unaccompanied guitar solo from the Randy Rhoads Tribute live album
1998/05/13 Chicago - great show I attended
1998/06/19 Finland - more for historical reasons, but in the hours following this show, MP "loses the plot" and quits the band
2000/02/02 Santa Ana - my first M2000 show, and one where they spontaneously broke into Paradigm Shift. I remember JR scrambling to load up the appropriate keyboard sounds when JP launched into it, and I remember JP and MP talking to each other, asking "how far do we go with performing this song?" It was supposed to be the first DT show I ever taped, but the mic jack popped out of the recorder, so I only got the first 5 minutes of the entire show. :-(
2004/03/22 Detroit - for the spontaneous improv they did following Another Day
2008/06/04 San Juan - due to the crew breaking down all of the equipment during the last 2 parts of the medley until there was no drums or amps left on stage by the final chord!
2012/07/19 Huntington - for the changes to the setlist (TLF, Paradigm Shift and 21st Century Schizoid Man)
2012/08 - any of the shows from the South American leg of the tour - can't believe there's no complete recordings in circulation
2014/01/16 Spain - curious to hear how bad this show was with all the mishaps
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That's some list Scotty. I can't believe there are so many shows that we can't find tapers for while for other shows sometimes there are 3, 4, 5 sources. I'm so angry that my friend Mark backed out of that deal with the DATs. Do you remember that time at GDT, when I had that friend who had a box filled with uncirculated shows. He was supposed to send me the box so I could send them to Wey and he backed out. I think we got maybe 2 or 3 shows from him but that was it.
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That's some list Scotty. I can't believe there are so many shows that we can't find tapers for while for other shows sometimes there are 3, 4, 5 sources.
Well, it doesn't surprise me for some of the smaller cities. But for the larger cities, such as Toronto, NYC and others, I can't imagine that there's no recordings of those shows in existence. Not long ago, I was thinking about that - how many of those shows are sitting in someone's collection uncirculated, for whatever reason. I wish that those record shows (where people would sell imported CDs and vinyl, as well as bootlegs on vinyl, CD and cassette) were still a regular occurrence (I'm assuming they aren't any more) as they were great for meeting some guys who merely went to hundreds of shows to tape them, and then turn around and sell cassette copies of those shows to fans. While illegal, I didn't have too much of a problem with it, and without those guys, I'm sure plenty of the shows in circulation now would never have existed otherwise. I know the guy who taped the first 2 Milwaukee shows (October 92 and January 93) was such a person, and I bought copies of those shows from him. I also had an audience recording of the Summerfest gig (that's widely available as a radio broadcast), but that's been lost to the annals of time...
I'm so angry that my friend Mark backed out of that deal with the DATs. Do you remember that time at GDT, when I had that friend who had a box filled with uncirculated shows. He was supposed to send me the box so I could send them to Wey and he backed out. I think we got maybe 2 or 3 shows from him but that was it.
That sounds vaguely familiar. What was the reason why he backed out? Any chance you could talk to him and reason some more?
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That's some list Scotty. I can't believe there are so many shows that we can't find tapers for while for other shows sometimes there are 3, 4, 5 sources.
Well, it doesn't surprise me for some of the smaller cities. But for the larger cities, such as Toronto, NYC and others, I can't imagine that there's no recordings of those shows in existence. Not long ago, I was thinking about that - how many of those shows are sitting in someone's collection uncirculated, for whatever reason. I wish that those record shows (where people would sell imported CDs and vinyl, as well as bootlegs on vinyl, CD and cassette) were still a regular occurrence (I'm assuming they aren't any more) as they were great for meeting some guys who merely went to hundreds of shows to tape them, and then turn around and sell cassette copies of those shows to fans. While illegal, I didn't have too much of a problem with it, and without those guys, I'm sure plenty of the shows in circulation now would never have existed otherwise. I know the guy who taped the first 2 Milwaukee shows (October 92 and January 93) was such a person, and I bought copies of those shows from him. I also had an audience recording of the Summerfest gig (that's widely available as a radio broadcast), but that's been lost to the annals of time...
I'm so angry that my friend Mark backed out of that deal with the DATs. Do you remember that time at GDT, when I had that friend who had a box filled with uncirculated shows. He was supposed to send me the box so I could send them to Wey and he backed out. I think we got maybe 2 or 3 shows from him but that was it.
That sounds vaguely familiar. What was the reason why he backed out? Any chance you could talk to him and reason some more?
It has been years since I spoke to him. His reason for the delay was just that he was busy. So he finally decided he was going to head to the post office to mail them. He sent me the email saying he was leaving his house to go and I never heard from him after that. I feel like that was pretty low to actually go so far as to say he was leaving his house to go mail them, meanwhile he was probably just sitting around doing nothing. He had quite a bit too. I remember some were his own and he used to tape a lot of shows. Then he had given me this list of shows from a friend of his. So we were looking at a good amount of new boots.
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It has been years since I spoke to him. His reason for the delay was just that he was busy. So he finally decided he was going to head to the post office to mail them. He sent me the email saying he was leaving his house to go and I never heard from him after that. I feel like that was pretty low to actually go so far as to say he was leaving his house to go mail them, meanwhile he was probably just sitting around doing nothing. He had quite a bit too. I remember some were his own and he used to tape a lot of shows. Then he had given me this list of shows from a friend of his. So we were looking at a good amount of new boots.
Strange - I take it that you tried to contact him after that happened and he never responded back? Any chance at trying to re-establish contact with him now and find out what happened? Maybe there was some sort of miscommunication?
What kind of shows did he have? I assume a bunch of DT? Which shows? What other bands did he tape?
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It has been years since I spoke to him. His reason for the delay was just that he was busy. So he finally decided he was going to head to the post office to mail them. He sent me the email saying he was leaving his house to go and I never heard from him after that. I feel like that was pretty low to actually go so far as to say he was leaving his house to go mail them, meanwhile he was probably just sitting around doing nothing. He had quite a bit too. I remember some were his own and he used to tape a lot of shows. Then he had given me this list of shows from a friend of his. So we were looking at a good amount of new boots.
Strange - I take it that you tried to contact him after that happened and he never responded back? Any chance at trying to re-establish contact with him now and find out what happened? Maybe there was some sort of miscommunication?
What kind of shows did he have? I assume a bunch of DT? Which shows? What other bands did he tape?
I am pretty sure he is on Facebook now. He has some kind of side business photographing live bands. I can look him up and attempt to reestablish a connection. I tried messaging him a couple of times after the incident but he never responded. I just remembered that I saw him after it happened at a local show but it was loud so I didn't think it was the proper place to bring up the issue. He was there photographing his friend's band.
He had a lot of DT shows from the Images and Words days. I don't think too many after that though. He was into a lot of 80s hair bands and AOR music so he probably had some shows from bands in that genre, though I really only sought out the DT stuff he had. I'll try and reach out to him on Facebook. I wonder if I still have that old email account active. If I do, I might have his email with the original list he sent out. Let me give it a try.
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I'm just a man with simple requests: The 2010 Mexico DVD, I was in the front rows (didn't like the show very much but you know, historic archives)
I was downloading it from the hub but suddenly it went down
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I'm pretty sure I've seen others with that. Join the Pink Floyd hub, otherwise known as Echoes.
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He had a lot of DT shows from the Images and Words days. I don't think too many after that though. He was into a lot of 80s hair bands and AOR music so he probably had some shows from bands in that genre, though I really only sought out the DT stuff he had. I'll try and reach out to him on Facebook. I wonder if I still have that old email account active. If I do, I might have his email with the original list he sent out. Let me give it a try.
What area/country were the shows recorded? Northeastern states? And what were the shows that you already got from him that were released by GDT?
In any case, I hope you're able to re-establish contact - would be awesome to get his recordings out into circulation.
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He had a lot of DT shows from the Images and Words days. I don't think too many after that though. He was into a lot of 80s hair bands and AOR music so he probably had some shows from bands in that genre, though I really only sought out the DT stuff he had. I'll try and reach out to him on Facebook. I wonder if I still have that old email account active. If I do, I might have his email with the original list he sent out. Let me give it a try.
What area/country were the shows recorded? Northeastern states? And what were the shows that you already got from him that were released by GDT?
In any case, I hope you're able to re-establish contact - would be awesome to get his recordings out into circulation.
I actually came across three of his shows yesterday while going through my GDT stuff, but I'm at work now and their titles slip my mind. I'll take a look when I get home. Actually, give me a few minutes and I'll look on the GDT site. Most of his stuff was recorded in the northeast. I sent him a friend request. Lets see if he accepts.
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These are the shows I came across that he did. What I didn't realize is how many shows you actually did for GDT. Oh, question. I noticed GDT-R85 say it's no longer available. Any idea what show that is? I'm guessing that became a Ytsejam Records boot or something.
GDT-R76 Metropolis Surrounds Me 9/29/92 Philadelphia, PA
GDT-R79 IW @ WI 6/30/93 Green Bay, WI
GDT-R81 Marching in Time 11/7/93 Stuttgart, Germany
GDT-R84 Caught in the Rave 11/4/94 Green Bay, WI
I think the show from Germany he might have got in a trade...unless he actually went there. It wouldn't surprise me. I know he's traveled around to see shows before.
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These are the shows I came across that he did. What I didn't realize is how many shows you actually did for GDT.
Yeah - for the 2002, 2004, 2006 and 2007 shows, I flew out to catch some additional shows, besides the SW corner of the US. Good times.
Oh, question. I noticed GDT-R85 say it's no longer available. Any idea what show that is? I'm guessing that became a Ytsejam Records boot or something.
Good question - I don't have a clue. Guess it would be best to ask the Wookie. But if you notice, while the artwork and individual web pages have been pulled for them, all the releases for Floater are still listed at the top of the release history. Not sure why the R85 show was singled out.
GDT-R76 Metropolis Surrounds Me 9/29/92 Philadelphia, PA
GDT-R79 IW @ WI 6/30/93 Green Bay, WI
GDT-R81 Marching in Time 11/7/93 Stuttgart, Germany
GDT-R84 Caught in the Rave 11/4/94 Green Bay, WI
Interesting - is/was he based in SE Wisconsin or is it just coincidence that 2 of his shows are from that area (the Rave show is actually from Milwaukee - I know this cuz I was there!) Just curious since I am from Milwaukee originally.
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These are the shows I came across that he did. What I didn't realize is how many shows you actually did for GDT.
Yeah - for the 2002, 2004, 2006 and 2007 shows, I flew out to catch some additional shows, besides the SW corner of the US. Good times.
Sounds like it was! :smiley:
Oh, question. I noticed GDT-R85 say it's no longer available. Any idea what show that is? I'm guessing that became a Ytsejam Records boot or something.
Good question - I don't have a clue. Guess it would be best to ask the Wookie. But if you notice, while the artwork and individual web pages have been pulled for them, all the releases for Floater are still listed at the top of the release history. Not sure why the R85 show was singled out.
I'll shoot him a message. I had just messaged him yesterday about some GDT stuff, too.
GDT-R76 Metropolis Surrounds Me 9/29/92 Philadelphia, PA
GDT-R79 IW @ WI 6/30/93 Green Bay, WI
GDT-R81 Marching in Time 11/7/93 Stuttgart, Germany
GDT-R84 Caught in the Rave 11/4/94 Green Bay, WI
Interesting - is/was he based in SE Wisconsin or is it just coincidence that 2 of his shows are from that area (the Rave show is actually from Milwaukee - I know this cuz I was there!) Just curious since I am from Milwaukee originally.
He has lived in New Jersey since I've known him.
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I started a list of shows in the OP.
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2012.07.19 is not that rare! I had(ve) a DVD version of this, and fortuately I think at least a dozen people have it to this day, if not more!
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2012.07.19 is not that rare! I had(ve) a DVD version of this, and fortuately I think at least a dozen people have it to this day, if not more!
Isn't that the one that has the Blu-ray version of it that nobody can seem to get?
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Do shows that definitely exist in some form, but you simply can't find count?
(Also, hello DTF!)
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2012.07.19 is not that rare! I had(ve) a DVD version of this, and fortuately I think at least a dozen people have it to this day, if not more!
Isn't that the one that has the Blu-ray version of it that nobody can seem to get?
The DVD version of the same show circulated, though, and upon inspecting, I still had it uploaded on the seedbox, so it's still very much available to me and to anyone willing to trade or to ask nicely enough :D
By the way, not sure if you know, the guy selling that BD was arrested for selling illegal DVDs :lol
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2012.07.19 is not that rare! I had(ve) a DVD version of this, and fortuately I think at least a dozen people have it to this day, if not more!
Isn't that the one that has the Blu-ray version of it that nobody can seem to get?
The DVD version of the same show circulated, though, and upon inspecting, I still had it uploaded on the seedbox, so it's still very much available to me and to anyone willing to trade or to ask nicely enough :D
By the way, not sure if you know, the guy selling that BD was arrested for selling illegal DVDs :lol
Yes, I remember hearing about that not too long after the show took place.
So can i pleeeeeeeease download the show from youuuuuuu. Pretty pleeeeeeeez. :progsnob:
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Do shows that definitely exist in some form, but you simply can't find count?
(Also, hello DTF!)
Well, you can name the show and at least a couple of us here will probably have it. :lol So, go ahead.
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I'm just a man with simple requests: The 2010 Mexico DVD, I was in the front rows (didn't like the show very much but you know, historic archives)
I was downloading it from the hub but suddenly it went down
https://boottrader.net/bootinfo.php?id=2236
Is this the gig in question?
I have this but would need to check the quality.
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I'm just a man with simple requests: The 2010 Mexico DVD, I was in the front rows (didn't like the show very much but you know, historic archives)
I was downloading it from the hub but suddenly it went down
https://boottrader.net/bootinfo.php?id=2236
Is this the gig in question?
I have this but would need to check the quality.
That's the one :o
Is there any way I could get it from you?
Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it
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I'm pretty sure I've seen others with that. Join the Pink Floyd hub, otherwise known as Echoes.
Thanks, I'll check it out
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Well, you can name the show and at least a couple of us here will probably have it. :lol So, go ahead.
Alright. :)
2000-10-20 is the main one I'm looking for(Preferably video, but I don't really mind). Assuming I've got the date right, this should be the one with the legendary Canadian Rap, and some other craziness.
Probably not the least common show ever, but impossible to find for a beginner like me, since trading isn't really an option.
(I suppose 2005-10-29 is another one, but that's down to a lack of seeders)
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Well, you can name the show and at least a couple of us here will probably have it. :lol So, go ahead.
Alright. :)
2000-10-20 is the main one I'm looking for(Preferably video, but I don't really mind). Assuming I've got the date right, this should be the one with the legendary Canadian Rap, and some other craziness.
Probably not the least common show ever, but impossible to find for a beginner like me, since trading isn't really an option.
(I suppose 2005-10-29 is another one, but that's down to a lack of seeders)
The show you are looking for is 10/18/2000, which features the Canadian Rap and other goofiness going. I do have that bootleg under the name Of Pigs And Chicks.
10/29/2005 is also in my list and probably one of the better bootlegs.
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2012.07.19 is not that rare! I had(ve) a DVD version of this, and fortuately I think at least a dozen people have it to this day, if not more!
Isn't that the one that has the Blu-ray version of it that nobody can seem to get?
The DVD version of the same show circulated, though, and upon inspecting, I still had it uploaded on the seedbox, so it's still very much available to me and to anyone willing to trade or to ask nicely enough :D
By the way, not sure if you know, the guy selling that BD was arrested for selling illegal DVDs :lol
Yes, I remember hearing about that not too long after the show took place.
So can i pleeeeeeeease download the show from youuuuuuu. Pretty pleeeeeeeez. :progsnob:
Me too - can I have it Marco? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzz? :biggrin:
BTW (and this is directed to anyone in the know), for video boots that I've downloaded, what's the best method (on a Mac) for extracting the audio)? I'm not a video guy - I like to listen to shows as I'm doing other things, usually on a portable player.
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The 2 I have been looking for and know exist are videos, the first;
2000-03-03 - House of Blues, Orlando, DVD or flv. this was pro shot full show.
2000-04-11 - Roma. When the hub was up someone signed in and DLD a lot but had a very slow download speed. This was on his list and I began to download, then he signed off, never to return. Managed to get the first VOB file which had the soundcheck and beginning of the show. I have never seen this on any circulating list.
If anyone has these I will be happy to trade.
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The 2 I have been looking for and know exist are videos, the first;
2000-03-03 - House of Blues, Orlando, DVD or flv. this was pro shot full show.
2000-04-11 - Roma. When the hub was up someone signed in and DLD a lot but had a very slow download speed. This was on his list and I began to download, then he signed off, never to return. Managed to get the first VOB file which had the soundcheck and beginning of the show. I have never seen this on any circulating list.
If anyone has these I will be happy to trade.
There is someone who is in the Pink Floyd hub named Rory Gallagher. He has a pretty decent size video collection. Did you check his list? If you aren't a member of the hub, I can check for you when I get home later.
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I may have Roma 2000 on my oldest HD (not the one that was dropped), which may or may not still be fuctioning and may or may not be this side of the Thyrrenian sea. If you are talking audio, I don't think there ever was a video version of that.
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The show you are looking for is 10/18/2000, which features the Canadian Rap and other goofiness going. I do have that bootleg under the name Of Pigs And Chicks.
Ah, so I did have the date wrong. I know for a fact that the 2005 one is correct, but I wasn't sure about this one. Thank you.
So, any idea how/where/if I can get this one?
10/29/2005 is also in my list and probably one of the better bootlegs.
I have heard a lot about that one, including some people saying that James was better on it than he was on Score, but the only seeder on the torrent (https://www.jamtothis.com/showthread.php?t=106754) is refusing connections for some reason, so I've been unable to actually see/hear it myself.
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The show you are looking for is 10/18/2000, which features the Canadian Rap and other goofiness going. I do have that bootleg under the name Of Pigs And Chicks.
Ah, so I did have the date wrong. I know for a fact that the 2005 one is correct, but I wasn't sure about this one. Thank you.
So, any idea how/where/if I can get this one?
10/29/2005 is also in my list and probably one of the better bootlegs.
I have heard a lot about that one, including some people saying that James was better on it than he was on Score, but the only seeder on the torrent (https://www.jamtothis.com/showthread.php?t=106754) is refusing connections for some reason, so I've been unable to actually see/hear it myself.
I do not have the DVD version of the 2005 show...yet. However I do have the audio of both shows. I can check with a couple of other traders and see if they have the 2005 show in their shares and I'll get it. For now though, do you want the audio from 10/18/2000? I can upload it to my Google Drive when I get home and send you the link. Just PM me your email address.
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I may have Roma 2000 on my oldest HD (not the one that was dropped), which may or may not still be fuctioning and may or may not be this side of the Thyrrenian sea. If you are talking audio, I don't think there ever was a video version of that.
There is a video as I have part of it from someone who logged onto the hub, snatched a lot from others, including me, then disappeared. He had a few other DVD's on his list I have never seen before or since.
Unfortunately it appears this person is happy collecting from others but not sharing. :censored
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The 2 I have been looking for and know exist are videos, the first;
2000-03-03 - House of Blues, Orlando, DVD or flv. this was pro shot full show.
2000-04-11 - Roma. When the hub was up someone signed in and DLD a lot but had a very slow download speed. This was on his list and I began to download, then he signed off, never to return. Managed to get the first VOB file which had the soundcheck and beginning of the show. I have never seen this on any circulating list.
If anyone has these I will be happy to trade.
There is someone who is in the Pink Floyd hub named Rory Gallagher. He has a pretty decent size video collection. Did you check his list? If you aren't a member of the hub, I can check for you when I get home later.
Just registered with Echoes, but won't allow me in, looking at messages this appears to be the same for a few other people as well. :sad:
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I may have Roma 2000 on my oldest HD (not the one that was dropped), which may or may not still be fuctioning and may or may not be this side of the Thyrrenian sea. If you are talking audio, I don't think there ever was a video version of that.
There is a video as I have part of it from someone who logged onto the hub, snatched a lot from others, including me, then disappeared. He had a few other DVD's on his list I have never seen before or since.
Unfortunately it appears this person is happy collecting from others but not sharing. :censored
What you should do next time you see him is shoot him a message immediately. Do you remember his name?
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The 2 I have been looking for and know exist are videos, the first;
2000-03-03 - House of Blues, Orlando, DVD or flv. this was pro shot full show.
2000-04-11 - Roma. When the hub was up someone signed in and DLD a lot but had a very slow download speed. This was on his list and I began to download, then he signed off, never to return. Managed to get the first VOB file which had the soundcheck and beginning of the show. I have never seen this on any circulating list.
If anyone has these I will be happy to trade.
There is someone who is in the Pink Floyd hub named Rory Gallagher. He has a pretty decent size video collection. Did you check his list? If you aren't a member of the hub, I can check for you when I get home later.
Just registered with Echoes, but won't allow me in, looking at messages this appears to be the same for a few other people as well. :sad:
Does it give a reason?
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Well, you can name the show and at least a couple of us here will probably have it. :lol So, go ahead.
Alright. :)
2000-10-20 is the main one I'm looking for(Preferably video, but I don't really mind). Assuming I've got the date right, this should be the one with the legendary Canadian Rap, and some other craziness.
Probably not the least common show ever, but impossible to find for a beginner like me, since trading isn't really an option.
I also have this boot, thanks to trading with Prog Snob :D
I`m also quite new to bootleg trading and stuff, but you might just send me a PM and we will probably find a deal here ;)
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I do not have the DVD version of the 2005 show...yet. However I do have the audio of both shows. I can check with a couple of other traders and see if they have the 2005 show in their shares and I'll get it. For now though, do you want the audio from 10/18/2000? I can upload it to my Google Drive when I get home and send you the link. Just PM me your email address.
Thank you very much! :biggrin:
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I do not have the DVD version of the 2005 show...yet. However I do have the audio of both shows. I can check with a couple of other traders and see if they have the 2005 show in their shares and I'll get it. For now though, do you want the audio from 10/18/2000? I can upload it to my Google Drive when I get home and send you the link. Just PM me your email address.
Thank you very much! :biggrin:
I'm uploading it right now. Just give me a few.
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The show you are looking for is 10/18/2000, which features the Canadian Rap and other goofiness going. I do have that bootleg under the name Of Pigs And Chicks.
Ah, so I did have the date wrong. I know for a fact that the 2005 one is correct, but I wasn't sure about this one. Thank you.
So, any idea how/where/if I can get this one?
10/29/2005 is also in my list and probably one of the better bootlegs.
I have heard a lot about that one, including some people saying that James was better on it than he was on Score, but the only seeder on the torrent (https://www.jamtothis.com/showthread.php?t=106754) is refusing connections for some reason, so I've been unable to actually see/hear it myself.
I do not have the DVD version of the 2005 show...yet. However I do have the audio of both shows. I can check with a couple of other traders and see if they have the 2005 show in their shares and I'll get it. For now though, do you want the audio from 10/18/2000? I can upload it to my Google Drive when I get home and send you the link. Just PM me your email address.
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can i have it too? please
The 2 I have been looking for and know exist are videos, the first;
2000-03-03 - House of Blues, Orlando, DVD or flv. this was pro shot full show.
2000-04-11 - Roma. When the hub was up someone signed in and DLD a lot but had a very slow download speed. This was on his list and I began to download, then he signed off, never to return. Managed to get the first VOB file which had the soundcheck and beginning of the show. I have never seen this on any circulating list.
If anyone has these I will be happy to trade.
There is someone who is in the Pink Floyd hub named Rory Gallagher. He has a pretty decent size video collection. Did you check his list? If you aren't a member of the hub, I can check for you when I get home later.
Just registered with Echoes, but won't allow me in, looking at messages this appears to be the same for a few other people as well. :sad:
That happened to me, I think they have to approve your account. Had the same problem yesterday but now I'm connected
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Of course. Just PM me your email address and I'll email you the link.
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Hey Scotty, I just got the 8/8/98 Mansfield show from someone.
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GDT-R85 was a Porcupine Tree show.
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Good morning sunshine...
And thanks. :biggrin:
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Wasteland, didn't we determine that I have the "Source 2" of Bonn, which turned out to be the same source but with a random DT video appended?
I have 2012 Huntington & 2000 Of Pigs and Chicks. The show I'm looking for (besides the GDTs that I've been struggling to trade for) is my first, 2009-08-05, Wallingford, CT. It's a nothing special show in PN09, but aside from Youtube it seems that nobody taped it.
I also found a guy that claimed to have video of 2010 Worcester which I would have killed for, but the comment was five years old and his account inactive.
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Wasteland, didn't we determine that I have the "Source 2" of Bonn, which turned out to be the same source but with a random DT video appended?
I have 2012 Huntington & 2000 Of Pigs and Chicks. The show I'm looking for (besides the GDTs that I've been struggling to trade for) is my first, 2009-08-05, Wallingford, CT. It's a nothing special show in PN09, but aside from Youtube it seems that nobody taped it.
I also found a guy that claimed to have video of 2010 Worcester which I would have killed for, but the comment was five years old and his account inactive.
I think it was, yeah. But if I remember correctly yours had the whole set, whereas mine (source 1) stopped at Take The Time, right?
I've never heard of a video of Worcester 2010, unfortunately. There's multiple audio releases of that, though, even from GDT, which I believe should be awesome (never heard it, unfortunately).
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Wasteland, didn't we determine that I have the "Source 2" of Bonn, which turned out to be the same source but with a random DT video appended?
I have 2012 Huntington & 2000 Of Pigs and Chicks. The show I'm looking for (besides the GDTs that I've been struggling to trade for) is my first, 2009-08-05, Wallingford, CT. It's a nothing special show in PN09, but aside from Youtube it seems that nobody taped it.
I also found a guy that claimed to have video of 2010 Worcester which I would have killed for, but the comment was five years old and his account inactive.
Which Grateful Dreams are you looking for?
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Mass Meltdown, I believe? It was probably R125.
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Hey Scotty, I just got the 8/8/98 Mansfield show from someone.
ooo, ooo, ooooooo, can I have that one?! That's one I've been looking for! :o
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Hey Scotty, I just got the 8/8/98 Mansfield show from someone.
ooo, ooo, ooooooo, can I have that one?! That's one I've been looking for! :o
PM me with your email address. Also, if you have a bootleg list I would like to see it.
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I can do that once I'm home from work. Thanks!
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I can do that once I'm home from work. Thanks!
I think you know where you can drop off a copy! ;)
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Ha! I do indeed! ;D
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Just registered with Echoes, but won't allow me in, looking at messages this appears to be the same for a few other people as well. :sad:
I had the same problem when i joined the other week. Finally got in, but continually dropping out and reconnecting
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There is someone who is in the Pink Floyd hub named Rory Gallagher. He has a pretty decent size video collection. Did you check his list? If you aren't a member of the hub, I can check for you when I get home later.
Rory sent me his 3 TB hard drive to copy. So i will have all his DT vids. Not got around to cataloging them yet. I will check against the OP
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Mass Meltdown, I believe? It was probably R125.
Mass Meltdown is R133.
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I think it was, yeah. But if I remember correctly yours had the whole set, whereas mine (source 1) stopped at Take The Time, right?
I've never heard of a video of Worcester 2010, unfortunately. There's multiple audio releases of that, though, even from GDT, which I believe should be awesome (never heard it, unfortunately).
For Worcester 2010, there are 16-bit and 24-bit versions of an identical source available.
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Mass Meltdown, I believe? It was probably R125.
Mass Meltdown is R133.
Then 125 must have been LA09?
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Marco, Mass Meltdown is incredible!
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Mass Meltdown, I believe? It was probably R125.
Mass Meltdown is R133.
Then 125 must have been LA09?
GDT-R125 is Greek To Me.
There is someone who is in the Pink Floyd hub named Rory Gallagher. He has a pretty decent size video collection. Did you check his list? If you aren't a member of the hub, I can check for you when I get home later.
Rory sent me his 3 TB hard drive to copy. So i will have all his DT vids. Not got around to cataloging them yet. I will check against the OP
Hey Twanky. Rory actually mentioned your name when I was questioning him about a couple of the boots he had.
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Good mentions i hope :angel:
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3TB is a mighty big collection! I reckon there must be something really interesting there, keep us posted with the details if and when you create a list out of that!
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Which Grateful Dreams are you looking for?
I have a list but I'm in a different country from it right now.
Regarding Bonn, it's possible that it was longer but the audio is still such shit that the original post still stands.
Regarding Worcester, this was a fan in 2010 that claimed to have captured most of the show on his phone but couldn't figure out how to upload it. The reason that there is a notable dearth in video considering the time and the fact that the audience had many youngins is that security used obnoxious pen lights in the general vicinity of anyone with a camera. This rare video is probably long gone. I've heard an ill-attained preview of the GDT version and also have AsYd's version in both 24/48 and 16/44 professionally remastered.
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Good mentions i hope :angel:
But of course. :D
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Rory sent me his 3 TB hard drive to copy. So i will have all his DT vids. Not got around to cataloging them yet. I will check against the OP
Do you have any idea of how many DT shows are on the drive? I'd love to know how many DT shows fit on a 3TB drive (and would give me a good idea of how many I don't have :biggrin: ).
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All the audio bootlegs in existence amount to about ~600GB at best, the rest is video. Let's say there are 10 Blu Ray recordings out there, those are another 200GB circa. The rest is all video bootlegs.
Let's say the average size of a DVD bootleg is 5GB (accounting for the both the double DVDs and the lighter ones), it gives around 1.2TB/5GB=240 DVDs circa. It's a rough estimate, but it shouldn't be too far from the truth.
Wait, it was 3TB, not 2TB. This makes the overall number of DVDs around 400. It's way too many, maybe I underestimated the overall audio share of the collection.
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I'm thinking that audio guestimate should be higher. I have over 500 audio boots and I know I don't have everything out there. You gotta figure they average at least 1GB per show because those "Evening With" shows are close to (or over) 2GB each, right? Plus, you have 16- and 24-bit versions of many shows. It could be close to 1TB.
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Even then the total Video minus Blu Ray still amounts to 1.5 TB at least! That's huge!
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I'm thinking that audio guestimate should be higher. I have over 500 audio boots and I know I don't have everything out there. You gotta figure they average at least 1GB per show because those "Evening With" shows are close to (or over) 2GB each, right? Plus, you have 16- and 24-bit versions of many shows. It could be close to 1TB.
Besides the varying length of the shows and if they're 16 or 24 bit (nevermind if they're 44kHz, 48kHz or 96kHz), there's also compression - FLAC, SHN and no compression at all. So amount of space that an audio collection of boots can take can vary a lot, depending on those things.
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I would definitely think that audio total would be closer to 1TB. I have around 600GB of DT shows now and still missing a handful.
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They were not all DT.
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Of course we leave out the most obvious of answers. :lol
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It's a lot more than a TB. The shows I have on HD's is over 2TB and most are 48/24 flac. I also have another 2 to 300 shows on CD. I have another 10TB of video, but I don't save the type of video the normal collector saves. Most of my video is raw camera from multiple angles.
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I'm starting to realize that. I keep finding more shows that I don't have. My 1TB drive is almost at its max and I've had to start taking shows off it and archiving them on disc to make room for more shows to download.
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It's a lot more than a TB. The shows I have on HD's is over 2TB and most are 48/24 flac. I also have another 2 to 300 shows on CD. I have another 10TB of video, but I don't save the type of video the normal collector saves. Most of my video is raw camera from multiple angles.
From youtube or uncompressed files? :omg:
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It's a lot more than a TB. The shows I have on HD's is over 2TB and most are 48/24 flac. I also have another 2 to 300 shows on CD. I have another 10TB of video, but I don't save the type of video the normal collector saves. Most of my video is raw camera from multiple angles.
From youtube or uncompressed files? :omg:
Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget ::)
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It's a lot more than a TB. The shows I have on HD's is over 2TB and most are 48/24 flac. I also have another 2 to 300 shows on CD. I have another 10TB of video, but I don't save the type of video the normal collector saves. Most of my video is raw camera from multiple angles.
From youtube or uncompressed files? :omg:
Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget ::)
Come on, Bob. I'll hold him down while you whip him with some pepperoni. :lol
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It's a lot more than a TB. The shows I have on HD's is over 2TB and most are 48/24 flac. I also have another 2 to 300 shows on CD. I have another 10TB of video, but I don't save the type of video the normal collector saves. Most of my video is raw camera from multiple angles.
From youtube or uncompressed files? :omg:
Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget ::)
Come on, Bob. I'll hold him down while you whip him with some pepperoni. :lol
mmmmm. I like pepperoni :rollin
But seriously, between the shows I have taped, the GDT shows I master, the stuff I did for DT, LTE, MP, FC, TA, TWD and NMB at last count 15 HD's. Video editing takes up a lot of HD.
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Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget ::)
I guess you didn't see that Marco is loosing it! https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43622.msg1950428#msg1950428 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43622.msg1950428#msg1950428) :biggrin:
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Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget ::)
I guess you didn't see that Marco is loosing it! https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43622.msg1950428#msg1950428 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43622.msg1950428#msg1950428) :biggrin:
:lol
Hey Scotty, did you want a copy of that show I found that was in your list?
mmmmm. I like pepperoni :rollin
But seriously, between the shows I have taped, the GDT shows I master, the stuff I did for DT, LTE, MP, FC, TA, TWD and NMB at last count 15 HD's. Video editing takes up a lot of HD.
I know all about your GDT and DT stuff obviously, but what do you have by NMB?
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Hey Scotty, did you want a copy of that show I found that was in your list?
Are you referring to the Mansfield 1998 show? If so, actually it was OpenYourEyes311 who wanted that particular show - just checked my HD o'boots and I've already got that one. Sorry for the confusion.
Of course, if it's a different show you're speaking of, which one?
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Hey Scotty, did you want a copy of that show I found that was in your list?
Are you referring to the Mansfield 1998 show? If so, actually it was OpenYourEyes311 who wanted that particular show - just checked my HD o'boots and I've already got that one. Sorry for the confusion.
Of course, if it's a different show you're speaking of, which one?
No, that's the one in the original list. I shall cross it off because we both have it now. :) I already shared it with OpenYourEyes311.
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It was a deliberate error, people, come on! :rollin
I could never forget what kind of stuff I believe Bob has in his unique collection! I was just making sure, since 10TB is really a lot of stuff.
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Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget ::)
I guess you didn't see that Marco is loosing it! https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43622.msg1950428#msg1950428 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43622.msg1950428#msg1950428) :biggrin:
:lol
Hey Scotty, did you want a copy of that show I found that was in your list?
mmmmm. I like pepperoni :rollin
But seriously, between the shows I have taped, the GDT shows I master, the stuff I did for DT, LTE, MP, FC, TA, TWD and NMB at last count 15 HD's. Video editing takes up a lot of HD.
I know all about your GDT and DT stuff obviously, but what do you have by NMB?
I was executive producer for T2 live in LA. That show is almost 2TB. 3 hours, 10 raw cameras, edit masters, outputs in HD and SD, all the raw audio, and final audio. Artwork, menus and associated filework.
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I was executive producer for T2 live in LA. That show is almost 2TB. 3 hours, 10 raw cameras, edit masters, outputs in HD and SD, all the raw audio, and final audio. Artwork, menus and associated filework.
That's impressive. I had no idea you were involved with that. Nice job! :tup
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I was executive producer for T2 live in LA. That show is almost 2TB. 3 hours, 10 raw cameras, edit masters, outputs in HD and SD, all the raw audio, and final audio. Artwork, menus and associated filework.
That's impressive. I had no idea you were involved with that. Nice job! :tup
Thanks. That was a very difficult 4 months.
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I'm sure the finished product was worth it though. It really is one of my favorite live releases. Neal Morse has become an idol to me for many reasons.
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3TB is a mighty big collection! I reckon there must be something really interesting there, keep us posted with the details if and when you create a list out of that!
Ok i had to copy this collection over a couple of hard drives. This is a list of the videos on HD1. I haven't come across anything from the OP yet though
1987-08-18 Majesty In The Basement
1989-04-26 New York
1989-10-14 Bay Shore
1992-06-03 Deer Park
1992-09-27 New York
1992-10-04 Deer Park
1993-01-08 Brooklyn
1993-01-16 Buffalo
1993-01-24 Cincinatti
1993-04-02 Copenhagen
1993-04-10 Utrecht
1993-07-20 Toronto
1993-07-22 New York
1993-11-15 Milan
1994-06-03 Huntingdon
1994-09-09 Burbank
1994-10-28 New York
1994-11-08 Minneapolis
1995-01-24 Saitama
1995-02-14 Utrecht
1995-02-19 Oslo
1995-03-13 Paris
1998-03-04 Helsinki
1998-05-08 Irving PLaza
1998-06-23 London
1999-07-31 Korea
2000-05-12 Tokyo
2000-08-16 San Francisco
2002-01-19 New York
2002-03-13 Minneapolis
2002-03-27 New York
2002-03-28 New York
2002-09-06 Baltimore
2002-09-14 Wantagh
2003-07-05 Montreal
2003-07-11 Wanatgh
2004-02-10 Barcelona
2004-03-25 Toronto
2004-08-17 Quebec
2004-08-28 Wantagh
2004-09-03 Allentown
2005-08-23 Wantagh
2005-10-04 Poznan
2006-01-19 Seoul
2006-03-24 Quebec
2007-06-03 Milan
2007-06-12 Katowice
2007-06-20 Porto
2007-06-23 Zaragoza
2007-06-26 Clermont Ferrand
2007-07-27 Los Angeles
2007-10-08 Frankfurt
2008-01-17 Singapore
2009-06-10 Moscow
2009-07-24 Miami
2009-08-14 Toronto
2010-03-18 Curitiba
2010-07-02 Columbus
2011-08-04 Szekesfehervar
2014-02-14 London (also bluray)
2014-07-18 Gelsenkirchen (also bluray)
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Alright, those are all well known a d widely circulated!
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Ok. I don't think i will unearth anything special, as Axel (Rory Gallagher) shares his stuff on many a Hub. I won't bother listing the rest :-\
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Still, it's a good collection, though not complete. Did you own many of those already?
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Ok. I don't think i will unearth anything special, as Axel (Rory Gallagher) shares his stuff on many a Hub. I won't bother listing the rest :-\
Actually twanky, would you mind listing the rest? There's always a chance that there's something that isn't widely circulated. And for those of us who don't have complete collections, it's nice to know what is definitely out there in circulation (instead of having to look at a million different lists).
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Still, it's a good collection, though not complete. Did you own many of those already?
Probably around 10 or so before the trade
Actually twanky, would you mind listing the rest? There's always a chance that there's something that isn't widely circulated. And for those of us who don't have complete collections, it's nice to know what is definitely out there in circulation (instead of having to look at a million different lists).
Yeah no problem, i will get on with it this weekend
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I may have Roma 2000 on my oldest HD (not the one that was dropped), which may or may not still be fuctioning and may or may not be this side of the Thyrrenian sea. If you are talking audio, I don't think there ever was a video version of that.
If my somewhat small knowledge of bootlegs doesn't prove me wrong, I think you're correct. I don't think there ever was a video version. I too have the audio, however, I think the hard drive it was on was lost in the mists of time (the HDD failed) however, if I'm wrong, and I have that, I'll find a way to get it to you guys!
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I was executive producer for T2 live in LA. That show is almost 2TB. 3 hours, 10 raw cameras, edit masters, outputs in HD and SD, all the raw audio, and final audio. Artwork, menus and associated filework.
What sorts of compression you use for the raw video?
As someone with a stupid fascination with placebo fidelity, I eagerly await the day when having 19TB for that raw footage (assuming 1080p, 8 bit color, 29.97 fps) is feasible.
Right now I do archiving of my school plays, and since I'm an unemployed high school student, I'm struggling to have a place to store all that video. Before control of video production equipment was turned over to an old dick, I'd have at least two angles * three performances * 90 minutes of each play in 24Mb/s H.264 1080p video... I miss those days. Now I know a thing or two about audio recording (the cameras I used at the time only support stereo AC3@384kbps) and could make a really good quality Blu-Ray of my school plays. Oh well...
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I was executive producer for T2 live in LA. That show is almost 2TB. 3 hours, 10 raw cameras, edit masters, outputs in HD and SD, all the raw audio, and final audio. Artwork, menus and associated filework.
What sorts of compression you use for the raw video?
As someone with a stupid fascination with placebo fidelity, I eagerly await the day when having 19TB for that raw footage (assuming 1080p, 8 bit color, 29.97 fps) is feasible.
Right now I do archiving of my school plays, and since I'm an unemployed high school student, I'm struggling to have a place to store all that video. Before control of video production equipment was turned over to an old dick, I'd have at least two angles * three performances * 90 minutes of each play in 24Mb/s H.264 1080p video... I miss those days. Now I know a thing or two about audio recording (the cameras I used at the time only support stereo AC3@384kbps) and could make a really good quality Blu-Ray of my school plays. Oh well...
I mostly use prores and H.264. But you have to be careful as there are various levels of compression. For full archival I never go below 1k stream. For the hires stuff I usually will go prores 444 10 or 12 bit, it doesn't shrink the video by a whole lot, but at least if I need the footage later, I don't have to go through the decompression. Lately I have been using the ARRI Alexia or Black Magic cameras that shoot these formats natively.