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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Accelerando on March 25, 2015, 05:53:16 PM
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Did anyone see the photo of Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor?!?!
(https://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Jesse-Eisenberg-as-Lex-Luthor.jpg)
:tup
I know this for the movies, but we don't have a general movie thread anymore (should I start a DC Cinematic Universe thread?). However, damn does he look the part. I hope they'll get him in the war suit for either Justice League part 1 or 2
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I love they picked him for Lex.
Rich, I guess I need to be careful what I say.
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(should I start a DC Cinematic Universe thread?).
Yes you should, and in fact I did it for you. :D While DC is starting to merge its films and starting to merge its TV shows, it seems they're keeping both media completely separate, so separate threads makes sense.
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Sweet!
I love all sorts of comic book characters, but i guess I *love* DC characters more than I do Marvel characters. Batman is my favorite character ever - in comic books, tv, or film. So that all being said, I'm very excited that DC is finally ramping up their own cinematic universe where we will finally have Batman and Superman together. As Marvel has turned their superheroes into an ever-growing Cinematic Universe, DC and Warner Bros. have played a much slower game and had to wait until Christopher Nolan to finish his fantastic Batman trilogy to start making plans.
I also like that DC is not copying the Marvel formula, and I feel like I'm one of the few that feel like DC doesn't need to rush to "catch up" with the Marvel Universe. I love DC and I love Marvel, they offer slightly different approach’s but that is only a good thing.
The thing I'm more concerned about are the end results of the movies, which is why I danced for joy when I heard production for Batman V Superman was being pushed back. It gives Warner Bros more time to make a quality film. So far, I like everything that has happened for this movie.
So far, here's the official schedule for the DC Universe
Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice - March 25th, 2016
Suicide Squad - August 5th, 2016
Wonder Woman - June 23, 2017,
Justice League: Part 1 - November 17, 2017
The Flash - March 23rd, 2018
Aquaman - August 12, 2018
Shazam - April 5, 2019
Justice League: Part 2 - June 14, 2019
Cyborg - April 3, 2020
Green Lantern - June 19, 2020
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I feel like I'm one of the few that feel like DC doesn't need to rush to "catch up" with the Marvel Universe.
I don't feel that they need to rush, but it kind of feels like they are with having so many characters appear in BvS.
I hope for the best, but I remain cautious.
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I feel like I'm one of the few that feel like DC doesn't need to rush to "catch up" with the Marvel Universe.
You are only one of many with that opinion, believe me.
I did like Man of Steel, and am looking forward to BvS. Not as much as I do Age of Ultron, but now that I think about it, more than the first Avengers movie.
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Bummer. Michelle MacLaren is dropping out from directing Wonder Woman. She's a crazy talented director, and she directed some of the best episodes of Breaking Bad and Game Of Thrones.
But a few articles I've read on this have mentioned that Joss Whedon is a HUGE Wonder Woman fan, and he tried to get something off the ground right around the time Batman Begins hit theaters. Whedon said he's done making Marvel movies, soooo.....
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I think Whedon is done with doing superhero films for a while. He's been talking over and over about how he wants to make something original, and Avengers 2 almost crushed him with all the hard work involved.
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He's been talking over and over about how he wants to make something original
This. He loves creating his own characters and settings, and hasn't been able to do that while working on Avengers movies.
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Whedon said he's done making Marvel movies, soooo.....
No he didn't. He said he is tired and exhausted from making films as big as the Avengers films, and can't direct another one like that.
He also said he wouldn't be surprised if he winds up contributing something to the next two Avengers films, just not in a directing capacity.
I would imagine that the next film or two that he makes will be something original (he said he misses that terribly), but I wouldn't be shocked to see him eventually direct for Marvel again.
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My bad. I interpreted it wrong. It would be great to see him do original stuff again!
There's a 20 second teaser of the teaser that Snyder just posted on the Twitter! Great shot of the Batman cowl!!!
https://batman-news.com/2015/04/15/batman-v-superman-website-updated-get-your-free-pass-to-see-the-trailer-in-imax/
The teaser will premiere at select IMAX theaters on Monday
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The second teaser for BvS leaked. Affleck has a pretty cool Bat-voice.
"Tell me... do you bleed? You will."
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Snyder released the full trailer on Twitter.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwfUnkBfdZ4
Okay, I liked MoS despite its flaws and criticisms. I am looking forward to this so much.
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I as well am looking forward to this movie.
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Cool trailer. I agree with the above statements.
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I hope for the best.
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I really like what I'm seeing with this trailer. The whole "False God" graffiti on the Superman statue really perked me up! This looks to have resulted from the mass destruction Kal-El was unwittingly complicit with, the VERY THING the Man of Steel haters hated most, and looks to have pulled off a story of overcoming adversity - putting the most powerful superhero through the gauntlet of public disdain, new and potent enemies.
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:lol
(https://i.imgur.com/L11KueR.jpg)
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This oughta draw the ire of the Nolanites:
https://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/Burtons_Batman_Will_Age_Better_Than_Nolans.aspx
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https://www.screenjunkies.com/video/honest-trailers-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/
;D
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Jared Leto's Joker revealed:
(https://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/04/JOKER_LETO.jpg)
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Thoughts?
I for one LOVE it! Definitely an original take, not derivative of any others (namely Ledger or Nicholson), but definitely outwardly expresses the crazy.
Hell, this film looks like it will be better than Batman v. Superman.
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Yeah I like it too. The tats are really cool, and he does look appropriately crazy.
I am trying my best not to compare it to Ledger's Joker, but it's difficult. But as a completely new take on the character, I'm happy with how it looks, and I hope Leto's portrayal of him will be great.
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I'm torn. I really hate the face tattoos but am alright with the rest of the tattoos, although the Joker doesn't seem like one to sit still long enough for tattoos, nor does he seem like the type of guy to go get tattoos from somebody. Would have been cooler in my opinion if the tattoos looked like they were self done, messier, etc.
Other than that, I like it, but the grills puzzle me as well, I'm okay with them now but they're kinda weird for the Joker.
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He's been talking over and over about how he wants to make something original
This. He loves creating his own characters and settings, and hasn't been able to do that while working on Avengers movies.
Well if Avengers 2 is as big as the first one ( 3rd highest grossing film of all time ) - he should get carte blanche from studios and might finally do something original that isn't a flop or cancelled by the network ! :biggrin:
But yeah -just put " FROM THE DIRECTOR OF THE AVENGERS " on the poster and you're good to go.
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https://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/Why_We_Want_Batman_to_Beat_Superman.aspx
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And the viral marketing for Suicide Squad begins! This is gonna be a load of fun :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF-PycHnxM0
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Stories going around about the slipshod way that DC is apparently formulating their shared universe. Can't say I'm shocked.
Of course, it's unsubstantiated rumor, too. So we'll see.
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Well, the fact that they had to fire their Wonder Woman director just a few months after appointing her sends warning signals. It's like they didn't have a meeting with her before, and went over what they wanted with Wonder Woman, what she wanted and if their visions would be possible to fuse together. In just a few months it went from "this is our director, she is the right choice" to "we couldn't agree on anything" (which apparently was the case).
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Had to google what 'slipshod' means, but yes, I agree. It's the feeling I've had since the very start.
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Had to google what 'slipshod' means, but yes, I agree. It's the feeling I've had since the very start.
I did too, but I was hoping I would be wrong. And again, these are just rumors, but it's not a good sign. They need their own Kevin Feige over there.
It kind of sucks. When I was growing up, I read and loved the DC comics just as much as the Marvel comics. I want both to succeed in film.
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Agreed. After speaking to a few comic readers I have some insight into the potential DC have in their stuff, it would sadden me greatly to see them rush this just because Marvel got a head start.
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The only thing that Marvel had a head start on was taking their material seriously.
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The only thing that Marvel had a head start on was taking their material seriously.
So true.
Now DC has an opportunity to take lessons from past failures/success and even Marvel, not to copy, but create a unique DC Universe. I'm hoping it all comes together well.
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Ladies and gents, here is your Suicide Squad
(https://i1.wp.com/bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/suicide-squad-cast-photo-a.jpg)
From left to right: Slipknot, Captain Boomerang, Enchantress, Katana, Rick Flagg, Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Killer Croc, and El Diablo
Margot Robbie :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
I fucking can't wait for this.
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Um, well, we'll see. Hope it's good.
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I suppose this is fine. I know too little about these guys to give a proper opinion.
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Some set photos
(https://cdn04.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2015/05/suicide-squad-cast-seen-in-costume-on-set.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Gc6KRKG.jpg)
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53323bb4e4b0cebc6a28ffa2/55477d0fe4b0ca8061e947b2/55477d11e4b0deabe55d953a/1430748435252/suicide-squad-setphoto6.jpg?format=750w)
(https://tomandlorenzo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/On-Set-Movie-Suicide-Squad-Margot-Robbie-Will-Smith-Tom-Lorenzo-Site-TLO-1.jpg)
I like that Killer Croc is not CGI'd to death, and that he has practical make up on.
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https://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/03/james-wan-direct-aquaman (https://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/03/james-wan-direct-aquaman)
I'm not a big fan of the DC cinematic universe so far but I have to see this one. If only just because James Wan is directing it.
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I'm more excited for Aquaman than I am for Batman v. Superman.
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I'm more excited for Aquaman than I am for Batman v. Superman.
Same here. I really did not like Man of Steel, batman v. superman looks like it could be better but I don't know if I will see it in theaters.
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I'm more excited for Aquaman than I am for Batman v. Superman.
So much this.
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So If you weren't aware.....Batman Begins was released 10 years ago, and it spawned one of the greatest movie trilogies of all time.
(https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2008/06/05/batmanbegins460.jpg)
I remember taking my little brother to see this and we were absolutely floored. This movie set the precedent of superhero movies, and continues to reverberate today. It changed Hollywood. Christopher Nolan didn't direct a realistic Batman. He created a grounded Batman, and a Batman that has resonated with all movie audiences. His neo-noir feel was complimented by Wally Pfister's incredible camera work. Christian Bale gave us the Batman we deserved. He is the best Batman because he understood the concept from that from the very beginning of Batman 75 years ago that Bruce Wayne is not Batman; Batman is Bruce Wayne. Bruce stop being Bruce the moment his parents were murdered in front of him.
His raspy voice was necessary to separate the fantastical with this grounded take. "Swear to me!" That still gives me chills! Those who say this Batman franchise was "humorless" obviously didn't pay attention to Bale's interaction with Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman.
The Dark Knight is the better movie. It really is the best superhero movie of all time. However, Batman Begins is the better BATMAN movie. It's Batman crouched on rooftops, leaping, flying, using gadgets from his belts, and more importantly, out of the 9 Batman films, including the Adam West movie and Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (remember that great piece of animation was theatrically released), it's the only origin story that has ever been made about Batman, and it's perfect.
(https://blogs-images.forbes.com/scottmendelson/files/2015/06/Batman-Begins-2005.jpg)
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10 years?! WOW! Great trilogy... I'm getting old. :coolio
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Just watched it again. I love the scene at the docks. He strikes from the shadows and it just makes the criminals go absolutely superstitious. That's Batman, man
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"What is that?"
"Backup."
:metal
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This movie set the precedent of superhero movies, and continues to reverberate today.
I'm not sure I agree with this. The most successful line of superhero films now, without question, are the Marvel films, and they are different in approach and tone than the Nolan Batman films.
This is a wonderful set of films, no question, and The Dark Knight is one of my favorite films ever. But I don't see them as setting any precedent as far as further superhero films. In fact, I view them as separate from other superhero films.
Just my two cents.
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I see Batman Begins as a superhero movie, but not The Dark Knight. That's just an awesome crime drama. Not sure about where I'd put Rises on that spectrum though.
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This movie set the precedent of superhero movies, and continues to reverberate today.
I'm not sure I agree with this. The most successful line of superhero films now, without question, are the Marvel films, and they are different in approach and tone than the Nolan Batman films.
This is a wonderful set of films, no question, and The Dark Knight is one of my favorite films ever. But I don't see them as setting any precedent as far as further superhero films. In fact, I view them as separate from other superhero films.
Just my two cents.
Even Kevin Feige and Joss Whedon has chimed in and said how genre-defying those movies were. It did set the precedent. We wouldn't have the MCU and have it taken seriously by the general public without Batman Begins. The quality of superhero movies has vastly improved because of it.
I see Batman Begins as a superhero movie, but not The Dark Knight. That's just an awesome crime drama. Not sure about where I'd put Rises on that spectrum though.
I agree! Which is why I said BB is the better Batman movie than TDK. I think TDKR was the epic out of the three, as Nolan has cited movies like Lawrence of Arabia and Ben Hur when constructing this movie, but overall, it's a piece to tell a complete and whole story to close a trilogy.
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Even Kevin Feige and Joss Whedon has chimed in and said how genre-defying those movies were.
I agree that they were genre-defying. But not genre-defining.
If anything, the genre-defining films would be the Marvel films, with their interconnected shared universe, which even now is being copied by Warner Bros/DC, the owners of Batman.
It did set the precedent. We wouldn't have the MCU and have it taken seriously by the general public without Batman Begins. The quality of superhero movies has vastly improved because of it.
I disagree. We have the MCU now because Marvel hit it out of the park with Iron Man, and planted the seeds of the shared universe therein (and having Robert Downey Jr cameo in The Incredible Hulk, of course).
Listen, I am not short-changing Nolan's Batman films in any way. I love them. But for me, I wouldn't give them this particular credit.
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It was a game changer. It was certainly the Batman that was in my imagination...which was why I found Batman '89 (and particularly Nicholson's Joker) so disappointing.
The Dark Knight....to me...an old fart who has watched superhero films all his life (yes...even Daredevil)...is the greatest comic book movie of all time, and Heath Ledger's Joker is the greatest cinematic villain in history. Not just comic book films. As in, better than Darth Vader. By miles and miles.
Maybe it was just because THAT was the Joker of my imagination. Ever have really high expectations for something, and then have them completely surpassed? Ya, that was TDK for me. And Ledger's Joker was the primary cause of that. I could go on about this because it was just that big to me.
Maybe I could sum up this way. Remember "the pencil trick"? I've never felt what I felt in that theater that night ever in my life before or since. It's actually hard to describe, because it wasn't just me being amazed at what I just saw. It was an instantaneous shift in the atmosphere of the entire theater. It was as if the barometric pressure had spontaneously plummeted. The mood of the entire audience was....instantly both enamored and incredibly uncomfortable. It was just really strange. It was as if no one was quite sure of what they had just seen. It was a collective "mood shift" that was just....really odd. But it left a big impression on me. It was almost like if you went to go see Alice Cooper, and he actually took out a gun and shot himself...and no one was really sure if he had really done it or not. There's that moment where everyone is chuckling, but weirded out, unsure, uncomfortable... I still get chills just thinking about it.
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As in, better than Darth Vader. By miles and miles.
Not hard since Darth Vader is one of the shittest movie villains ever. Like Panto bad. Not even remotely scary.
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As in, better than Darth Vader. By miles and miles.
Not hard since Darth Vader is one of the shittest movie villains ever. Like Panto bad. Not even remotely scary.
I'm laughing because I was like, "Whaa??? .............oh, it's Kotowboy." :lol
It's a red herring. Vader is just "iconic" and that's why I used him. [insert your ultimate baddie here and Ledger's Joker still owns him]
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ultimate badass=Hopkins as Hannibal.. don't even attempt a rebuttal lol
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As in, better than Darth Vader. By miles and miles.
Not hard since Darth Vader is one of the shittest movie villains ever. Like Panto bad. Not even remotely scary.
Dear God.
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Right. ::). Darth Vader is a badass. As if. He's not even the best villain in Star Wars.
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The only acceptable contender would be the Emperor. And he's only cool because he is so mysterious and powerful and cunning. But he doesn't have nearly the depth and character arc that Vader does. Unless you're saying this because you don't even count Vader as a villain after the events of Return of the Jedi.
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Vader is definitely the best Star Wars villain and one of the most iconic villains of all time. I'm not sure if I would personally say he is my favorite, but it's really hard to argue with his iconic status. Maybe if you just don't live/breathe Star Wars, which I don't consider myself doing.
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Right. ::). Darth Vader is a badass. As if. He's not even the best villain in Star Wars.
Jesus wept.
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NEWSFLASH : SOME PEOPLE DONT INSTANTLY EJACULATE THE INSTANT YOU MENTION STAR WARS. . . . . .
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Vader is definitely the best Star Wars villain and one of the most iconic villains of all time. I'm not sure if I would personally say he is my favorite, but it's really hard to argue with his iconic status. Maybe if you just don't live/breathe Star Wars, which I don't consider myself doing.
He's certainly iconic but is he actually SCARY as a VILLAIN ? I think not.
Khan Noonien Singh ? Oh hell yes.
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I wouldn't call Vader scary, but that goes hand in hand with the tone of Star Wars. Star Wars is a family friendly adventure/space opera where the tone doesn't really allow for an extremely creepy/scary villain. Some villains are good because they are scary, Vader is good for other reasons.
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A villain doesn't need to be scary or frightening to be good, though. My favourite American comic book super villain is actually Magneto, and it has nothing to do with him being intimidating or scary or whatever (although the extent of his power is rather impressive). It was because I loved his backstory and felt that within the context of X-Men-as-an-analogy-for-civil-rights, his ideology was an excellent, and very plausible, counterpoint to Xavier's. I've met many a comic book fan who said if they were born a mutant, they would rather be on Magneto's side then the X-Men's. I generally sympathize with civilians more then heroes in just about any work of fiction anyways because, much like Alice Cooper, I equate being the bad guy with being the outcast. They are the characters that are not content to just play nice, obey the status quo of their worlds, and try to fit in with the cool kids. More to the point, though, I like villains more then heroes because, when well done, they are the characters who really drive a good story. A hero typically isn't the driving force behind a good plot, they simply react to the actions of the villain. To take one of the best quotes on the matter-
That's the problem with heroes, really. Their only purpose in life is to thwart others. They make no plans, develop no strategies. They react instead of act. Without villains, heroes would stagnate. Without heroes, villains would be running the world. Heroes have morals. Villains have work ethic.
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Looks like Ben Affleck will direct and co-write the solo Batman flick for the DCU. I think he has he directing chops to make a great Batman flick. I'm very much anticipating in seeing his take in Batman V Superman
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I have the highest respect for Affleck as a director. This is exciting news.
Much more exciting, to me, than BvS.
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Yeah. Affleck being Batman, and Affleck doing a stand-alone Batman is much more exciting than BvS, which looks like another mess of too many characters, directed by Hack Snyder. I'd be surprised if BvS doesn't end up on the same level as TASM2.
Still, excited about Affleck, and I will see BvS opening day.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WWzgGyAH6Y
new Batman V Superman trailer.
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This trailer was all kinds of awesome, minus Lex Luthor who felt kinda cheesy
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He reminded me a bit of Gene Hackman's Lex.
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Just saw a crappy caption of the Suicide Squad trailer shown at Comi-con. Looked refreshingly cool despite the crappy quality. Very intrigued from what i've saw!
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Did. Anyone. Catch. This?!?
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/11742868_10153459155462929_5746080593201498984_n_zps0uxz9ayb.jpg)
I'm all sorts of happy right now.
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Yeah, that looked cool. looking forward to this movie.
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The trailer was encouraging.
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The leaked trailer for Suicide Squad, from what I could make out of, looked great. Weird piece of music to go with it, but all the shots of Harley, Deadshot, and Amanda Waller was money. Plus Jared Leto as the Joker...I can't wait to see more of what he has to bring :metal
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Suicide Squad trailer officially online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVFTrLDsW8U
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After watching the HD Suicide trailer I am now officially stoked.
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The leaked trailer for Suicide Squad, from what I could make out of, looked great. Weird piece of music to go with it, but all the shots of Harley, Deadshot, and Amanda Waller was money. Plus Jared Leto as the Joker...I can't wait to see more of what he has to bring :metal
I don't know , I actually thought the music felt right. :) The trailer looks awesome and Jared Leto seems to give Joker his own take. As i've heard someone say Jack Ns Joker was crazy, Heath Ls Joker was anarchist and Jareds Joker seems to be horrific and frightening or something like that.
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Oh no doubt! It really set the mood for the trailer. I guess it was just an unexpected choice. It's hauntingly beautiful.
So...the kid at 1:38 in this trailer....could it be, and maybe that's who the Suicide Squad are going after....Anarky?
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So never mind, that is not Anarky lol. The graffiti on the wall looked like the Anarky logo, and the kid is actually Cara Delevingne who is playing Enchantress. I don't hate the idea of the Squad going after Anarky though, but maybe for another movie.
Exciting times for comic books fans. We got all these superhero movies coming out the next several years, and next year DC is finally getting their franchise up and running. Their darker approach is a nice contrast to the MCU's lighter approach.
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Apparently Tyrese Gibson is in talks to play John Stewart (Green Lantern) in the DCU. Pleeeease god don't let that happen...
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Just watched the batman animated film Under the red hood
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Batman_under_the_red_hood_poster.jpg)
All I can say is wow. What a fantastic watch that was :clap:
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^^^ One of the finest superhero movies ever. I don't care if it was a straight to home release.
So this image dropped today on Gal Gadot's page to announce that Wonder Woman is officially filming!
(https://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2015/harry/cuugdd8veaabmc8_large.jpg)
I'm pretty excited. I can't believe Wonder Woman has never gotten a big screen adaptation in her 75 years of existence. Seems like she'll serve as the Captain America for the DCU, and i'm not just talking about her solo film being a period piece. I think she's one who is going to bring the JLA together, and I think she's the one in Batman V Superman is gonna get in between Bats and Supes from their little locker room brawl.
Patty Jenkins is directing, which i'm also excited about.
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Can't say I'm overly excited about Wonder Woman. Not because she is a female superhero, but I don't really care about Gal Gadot, and I never read Wonder Woman. But if I enjoy Batman v Superman, I'll probably see Wonder Woman at the theater anyways (Heck, I watch every superhero film there).
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The new trailer for Batman V Superman is set to premiere during Jimmy Kimmel this Wednesday. Here's a sneak peek!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6as8ahAr1Uc&feature=player_embedded
I'm really curious about this scene, and why Batfleck is wearing the Liberty Files Bat-Suit!!!!
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Big crossover episodes of The Flash/Green Arrow coming up leading into Legends of Tomorrow.
While DC may rule the CW, Marvel rules Netflix.
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I'm hoping that Superman has just been exposed to some Kryptonite that Luther has gotten hold of and he's not just being dark and mean BECOZ DARK KNIGHT ... :\
We're probably never going to have a bright shiny hopeful heroic Superman movie ever again.
Everyone has to be brooding and dark and miserable now.
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Blame Frank Miller for that.
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I love that. I've always liked dark and serious movies.
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There has always been darker Superman stories, like Kingdom Come, Red Son, and Secret Origins.
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Apparently it's a dream sequence. The toy version of that Batman suit is called Knightmare Batman.
I like Angry Joe's theory of it being Bizarro, but alas, we're spoiled by toys again.
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I'm hoping that Superman has just been exposed to some Kryptonite that Luther has gotten hold of and he's not just being dark and mean BECOZ DARK KNIGHT ... :\
We're probably never going to have a bright shiny hopeful heroic Superman movie ever again.
Everyone has to be brooding and dark and miserable now.
Which is why I am really enjoying Supergirl. It's much more light-hearted and fun.
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I'm hoping that Superman has just been exposed to some Kryptonite that Luther has gotten hold of and he's not just being dark and mean BECOZ DARK KNIGHT ... :\
We're probably never going to have a bright shiny hopeful heroic Superman movie ever again.
Everyone has to be brooding and dark and miserable now.
Here is the problem with this,
Superman has always been bright so it's a nice change to see a little darkness there.
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Yeah but Batman is the dark character, Superman is the bright boy scout with a positive outlook on things. I feel like the decision to make Man of Steel a dark interpretation of Superman was one of the most misguided decisions in recent film, because part of what makes the Justice League dynamic so great is Batman being the dark character, and the darker you make Superman, the smaller the contrast will be between him and Batman, and then you get two grumpy depressed dark characters for the price of one.
Even though I only thought Man of Steel was alright (not great, not bad.. enjoyable enough at the cinema, but not to re-watch) I'm still very excited about BvS mainly because of Ben Affleck and Batman. I like that the main story focuses on the destruction in MoS and what consequences it will have on Superman and the world, but it does feel like they are shoving in a bit too many characters.
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Zantera, Throughout the comic book history of Superman there have been dark versions. I'm not worried at all. The needed to move a little bit away from the "Golly Gee" Superman. His actions are still of good intent.
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Zantera, Throughout the comic book history of Superman there have been dark versions.
Those have been sprinkled throughout, here and there, NEVER the main thrust of the character, and frequently in non-canon Elseworlds stories. They are not representative of the character, the way that Batman being dark is.
There is a reason that one of his nicknames is "the Big Blue Boyscout."
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Oh I know that Hef. I just son't have a problem with the slighter darker tone than most. It's not like Hollywood ever takes liberties. :lol
I for one thought the "Returns" movie was boring as all hell. While not prefect at all I enjoyed the newer more more.
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There has been dark supermans' in the comics but I just meant from a general perspective. There's been so much weird stuff in comics, they have done pretty much everything. :P
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Oh I know. I think it's funny because most would say, I'm tired of the same old style for a character yet, some are purists when it comes to Superman.
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I for one thought the "Returns" movie was boring as all hell. While not prefect at all I enjoyed the newer more more.
While I agree with liking the darker direction, I don't agree with this. Returns is my favorite Superman movie so far.
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Oh I know. I think it's funny because most would say, I'm tired of the same old style for a character yet, some are purists when it comes to Superman.
Personally I think a character should stay fairly close to how they were originally, but with some liberties in the smaller areas. One of the reasons I really disliked the TASM Spider-Man films was because the Peter Parker of that universe was so different from the one I know (and IMO all changes were for the worse), compared to the Raimi films that nailed it completely.
I'm curious who DC are gonna make their comic relief of Justice League. It obviously won't be Batman, and with Superman I think they'll go for the strict, by the book leader who does everything to save everybody. Both Aquaman and Wonder Woman look so serious in photos we've seen, so I guess it will either be Green Lantern or Flash, I think the latter makes more sense.
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Green Lantern for the most part has been serious so I would think the Flash but do we really need a comic relief?
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Flash does a pretty good job of being funny without being silly in the JL animated series, where everyone else is more or less serious characters. So that's a way to go about it that would make me pretty happy.
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Flash does a pretty good job of being funny without being silly in the JL animated series, where everyone else is more or less serious characters. So that's a way to go about it that would make me pretty happy.
Yeah, I loved that characters from that series. The only season I'm missing is Batman's 3rd season. I don't have an answer either on why.
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If there is comic relief, I would nominate the character of The Flash, but I'm not convinced with the actor they have set to portray him in the films.
Oh, and Superman Returns is awful.
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Personally I think a character should stay fairly close to how they were originally, but with some liberties in the smaller areas.
In that case, Superman should not be able to fly. His original power set was: "Leap 1/8th of a mile [200 meters]; hurdle a twenty-story building...raise tremendous weights...run faster than an express train... and that nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin!"."
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I just saw the new trailer.
Wow...what a complete pile of meh. I actually had very high hopes for this. After the mis-step of Man of Steel, and the pressure being on because of Marvel just seeming to make it look effortless (not to mention the very promising trailer for Suicide Squad which I thought was very good), I really had high hopes that DC was going to pull a rabbit out of their hat and give us a movie series that would live up to the promise and give Marvel a run for its money.
But this was....just.... not good. I even defended the choice of Big Ben in the batsuit, but this looks like a parody of itself.
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This is an appearance by Patton Oswald on the Screen Junkies web show.
At the 4 minute mark, he nails EXACTLY why the DC universe is just not getting it, and by implication he nails that Marvel is getting it right....because the characters are totally different.
https://youtu.be/rfBAqauWxzs
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It was a very meh trailer. Oddly paced. I didn't like the music they chose for it. The Comic-Con trailer was absolutely epic.
I'm not gonna judge based on a trailer....because I thought Age of Ultron was going to be awesome and it turned out to be a stinking pile of shit. I still remain optimistic for BVS
Plus this shot at the end of trailer.....i don't care how poorly cut this trailer was....this shot was the money maker for me
(https://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/sites/idigitaltimes.com/files/styles/large/public/2015/12/03/batman-vs-superman-trinity.jpg)
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Who is that Monster that shows up at the end ?!
Plus the new trailer looks so bad. Not interested...
https://youtu.be/fis-9Zqu2Ro < - - - New Trailer.
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Doomsday. And I'll probably end up watching it anyway.
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Im still super hyped for this movie.
The trailer was definitely not as good as the previous one. It lacked the epicness and was put together really bad.
And even though Batman/Superman-fans knew that they would eventually team up - it's a big spoiler for everybody else!
What I liked:
- It seems like there's some humor in there - that definetely lacked in Man of Steel!
- Ben Affleck still looks like a really good choice for Batman. I loved his Batman-voice!
- Wonder Woman looks great!
- Jesse Eisenberg was not as bad as I feared in this trailer. He looks like a psychopath - however, he still doesen't remind me of Lex Luthor.
What I didn't like:
- They showed Doomsday! Why reveal him before the movie?!!
- Doomsday looked like your average superhero-movie-monster.
- Superman is still Super-emo-man
- They spoiled like the entire movie: Batman hates what happened in Man of Steel. Batman doesen't trust Superman. Superman doesen't trust Batman. Batman and Superman fights. Lex creates Doomsday. Wonder Woman saves the day. Superman and Batman become friends and fight Doomsday together with Wonder Woman. They probably kill Doomsday. Justice League - wohoo! Movie ends.
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Yeah, after seeing that trailer, there is no way I'm going to a theater for that. I'll wait the 3 weeks it will take for it to be VOD.
At the 4 minute mark, he nails EXACTLY why the DC universe is just not getting it, and by implication he nails that Marvel is getting it right....because the characters are totally different.
https://youtu.be/rfBAqauWxzs
Perfectly said.
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Talk about a trailer that gives too much away. I feel like I saw the movie already.
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Yeah, totally agree. Way too much shown.
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Wow!!! That is exactly how NOT to do a trailer. Doomsday looks like a charred Ben Grimm from the last FF movie.
I'll still go see it, but I will place my expectations on the floor and step over them as I walk into the theatre. These kinds of action movies with big budget and big effects have to be seen in the theatre. I'll just treat it like eye-candy. That's all.
I don't grab a Snickers bar expecting a filet mignon. This will be snickers.
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Wow!!! That is exactly how NOT to do a trailer. Doomsday looks like a charred Ben Grimm from the last FF movie.
I'll still go see it, but I will place my expectations on the floor and step over them as I walk into the theatre. These kinds of action movies with big budget and big effects have to be seen in the theatre. I'll just treat it like eye-candy. That's all.
I don't grab a Snickers bar expecting a filet mignon. This will be snickers.
Exactly how I feel about Avatar. I loved it. It's a visual treat but I wasn't expecting War and Peace.
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Looks like a lot of fun.
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Talk about a trailer that gives too much away. I feel like I saw the movie already.
This. I am disappointed.
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Is Zack Snyder aware that this Lex Luthor feels like taken right out of Batman and Robin? The contrast between the dark and brooding conflict between Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent and then Luthor showing up and being kooky is like nails on chalkboard.
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Lex looks awful. And the trailer is terrible - I feel like I know the whole movie now.
Can't believe they went with Doomsday. Can't believe they REVEALED Doomsday.
Just bad. Almost all of my hopes are gone.
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Lex looks awful. And the trailer is terrible - I feel like I know the whole movie now.
Can't believe they went with Doomsday. Can't believe they REVEALED Doomsday.
Just bad. Almost all of my hopes are gone.
Yeah, all of that. Eisenberg as Luthor looks awful. He comes across more like Harley Quinn than Lex Luthor.
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Fucking Doomsday? What are they thinking?
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Thanks to some spoilery thumbnails on youtube I have agsinst my will found out about Doomsday. I love Doomsday, always wanted to see him in a live action movie. But something about this just feels iffy.
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I wouldn't mind them setting up Doomsday, maybe having the creation of him towards the end and end on a cliffhanger with him having escaped and Batman/Superman agreeing they need to work together, cue credits and then you have Justice League set up. But this looks a bit like Spider-Man 3 with Venom, shove in one of the best enemies for the last 15 minutes of a film and totally waste him. Doomsday is one of those few villains I could see be a potential threat needing the whole Justice League to take down, and it feels wrong in so many reasons to waste him like this.
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I wouldn't mind them setting up Doomsday, maybe having the creation of him towards the end and end on a cliffhanger with him having escaped and Batman/Superman agreeing they need to work together, cue credits and then you have Justice League set up. But this looks a bit like Spider-Man 3 with Venom, shove in one of the best enemies for the last 15 minutes of a film and totally waste him. Doomsday is one of those few villains I could see be a potential threat needing the whole Justice League to take down, and it feels wrong in so many reasons to waste him like this.
Exactly my thoughts.
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Doomsday is definitely a "he needs his own movie" baddy
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Doomsday is definitely a "he needs his own Trilogy" baddy
FTFY
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Depends on which version of Doomsday. The mindless super-unstoppable-universal-destroyer doesn't really need an entire movie. That's the version of Doomsday I like the most. But then there's the clever Doomsday, which isn't as interesting. Or they could take inspiration from the Smallville TV show and do the transforms-into-a-human Doomsday. That was one of my favorite Smallville stories, and that would definetely warrant an entire movie. Although a cinamatic version of that would need an actually satisfying end fight.
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I wonder if people here are confusing Doomsday with Darkseid....because Darkseid would be the big monstrous villain that'll need a story arc over a few films
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I feel that this is an absolute perfect contrast to the beautifully shown Civil War trailer (and I'm not starting or even 'in' the Marvel vs. DC thing because I don't give a shit and also I've passed puberty, for anyone wanting to drudge that up). Disregarding the company behind it and the movie itself, that was just a perfect movie trailer in its own right. It showed us story, it showed us brief bits of characters and action, and that was that; boom, see it or don't. This? This was the 'car salesman' trailer. It overstayed its welcome, it showed too much and it was too over the top for its own good; it felt desperate at times. Horrible trailer for what looks to be at least a fun movie. I'll probably catch it on either home release or down the line in theater after the crowds clear out. As far as judging of of trailers though, it looks pretty typical.
Also 2008 The Hulk called and wants its Abomination back. Holy crap. Dead ringer. That is really bad.
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I wonder if people here are confusing Doomsday with Darkseid....because Darkseid would be the big monstrous villain that'll need a story arc over a few films
No confusion.
Doomsday doesn't necessarily need multiple films, but he needs a Superman film, not a hybrid film like this. And it doesn't need to be this early in the career of DCU Superman, either.
Just bad, bad, bad.
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Doomsday probably should be in a Superman solo movie, but there are cool things they could do with more members of JL. But yes, it should not be this early.
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It is beginning to be reminiscent of Spider-Man 3.
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Sooooo I just realized something guys....
SUBJEKT 17 LOOKS A LOT LIKE THE MONSTER IN THE TRAILER
(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510VW5QuT-L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
(https://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/superman_camelotfalls_subjekt17.jpg)
It makes more sense that it's Subjekt 17 and not Doomsday. Subjekt 17 came to life in the comics from an extraterrestrial beings DNA, which in this case could be Zod. He's a worthy foe for the Trinity and a good warm up villain for the DCEU
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There's been talks of Doomsday ever since they announced BvS though, and it feels like they really go out of their way to blow all their load in this film (hence why they shove in Wonder Woman and Aquaman) so putting in Doomsday, arguably a top3 Superman-villain, makes more sense with what they have been doing so far, than putting in a more unknown villain.
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Clearly this is not a thread for me, but I have a dumb question.
I was watching TV the other night and I saw a movie preview for Batman vs Superman. WTF? What is that all about? Did one guy turn bad?
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Definitely not the thread for you, not even the right thread considering that Batman/Superman is DC, not Marvel. :P
But no, not really. It's basically a rivalry turned up to 11 because of ego and conflicting views on how a superhero should act and what morals they should value. That's about it. Looks pretty mediocre, I think.
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This new Suicide Squad trailer is the tits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmRih_VtVAs
Seriously. Margot Robbie is probably the sexiest woman alive.
Oh, and the movie looks awesome :tup
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She really is the perfect choice for Quinn. Great casting there. I'm interested in seeing the cast together and how Leto's Joke plays out. With what I've seen, I think he's going to perfectly embody the more comic-book oriented yet still dark and twisted version of Joker. People got so attached to Ledger's though, it's going to have to be very convincing. I'm warming up to his look and he's such a fantastic actor that I think he'll make me overlook or accept it.
Either way I'm gonna catch this one and I am waaaay more excited for this than BvS.
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I'm still excited for BvS. With everything WB has been doing, like hiring Chris Terrio to rewrite the script and holding off a year to shoot it has lead me to believe they took their time to get the story right. Remember, Man of Steel was rushed getting it into production, and you can see the glaring flaws of it from that film.
As a comic book fan, seeing Batman and Superman on screen together was once a dream, and now it's going to be a reality.
I guess they also showed footage of Patty Jenkin's Wonder Woman flick on that CW special tonight, and it looked fantastic. Well I mean, Patty Jenkins is directing so of course it's going to look good!
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I think it looks a lot less enticing than I did when I thought of it years ago but I'm still going to catch it. Honestly the trailer is what made me just downright sour over it, that trailer ruined tons of hype for me and really hammered down the excited specifically because they were so blatantly beating us over the head with the "WE WANT YOU TO BE EXCITED FOR THIS REALLY EXCITING ACTION FILM!". I really, really, REALLY could have done without knowing who the big bad was and am honestly trying my best to forget it before the movie comes out but what's done is done. It'll still be cool. But what it's not going to be is what I dreamed of as a kid. That's alright as reality is never as it is in dreams.
I am excited more for the future of what comes next though, and/or who will be portraying the two in a film during an era where being super hardcore, dark, brooding and (god, this overused word) gritty isn't such an outplayed theme. It's just taken over. I get it, and sometimes I like it. I liked it a lot more when it was fresh...now it's stale. You can have a dark and adult theme without being so dang mopey. I digress.
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I'm pretty skeptical when it comes to the DC universe, mainly because there's not the base of great films to stand on yet, something that Marvel has. Man of Steel was an OK start, but I'm not a fan of Zack Snyder and so my hopes for BvS are drastically lowered as a result, and with Suicide Squad, I just don't care that much for David Ayer as a director. These two films could both be great and I could have a completely different view going into the next set of films, but I'm more cautiously hopeful than all out excited, like with new Marvel films, X-Men films or Deadpool.
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I was just never big into the DC Universe period. I watch Justice League cartoons growing up, but that's about it. I know nothing more other than their Tier 1 heroes. I'm skeptical over how well they can pull all of this off or pull it together - it just feels so contrived and blatant to do a "me too" to what Marvel started 7 years ago.
I'll still go see the films, but by no means am I as jazzed about them like I am any of the Marvel movies.
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I watched the special last night, but I'm not sure I feel any better after seeing what I saw.
The film on the DC schedule that I am most looking forward to is definitely Suicide Squad. That looks pretty good.
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Suicide Squad looks really awesome. The new trailer actually has me excited. I think this movie will save DC after what I'm thinking will be an average at best movie in BVS.
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I watched the special last night, but I'm not sure I feel any better after seeing what I saw.
The film on the DC schedule that I am most looking forward to is definitely Suicide Squad. That looks pretty good.
Agreed on both counts. And that 'host'... Kevin something ... was annoying the shit out of me. "Take my money, take all my money, take my kids college tuition". What a jackass. His excitement over all of this seemed entirely disingenuous.
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I was always a DC guy, before Marvel started pwning it with their movies. I also grew up with the Justice League cartoon, which I loved, and still like. Spider-Man was the only marvel character I liked, and almost the only one I knew of.
I get the same desperate feeling as many others about the DC movie universe, but I'm really really hoping it will turn out well because these are the superhero characters I originally loved.
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Batman VS Superman looks like the most expensive fan film ever made.
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Definitely not the thread for you, not even the right thread considering that Batman/Superman is DC, not Marvel. :P
@ TAC ... wrong company. Take it to the DC thread. :biggrin: But no, neither of them is 'bad'... just different shades of good. Might want to spend some time out from whatever rock you hide under if you're just hearing of this now. :D :-*
:lol
Thanks guys.
I have no clue when it comes to this stuff.
So they're going to fight each other to prove who is the goodest?
That makes NO sense.
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So they're going to fight each other to prove who is the goodest?
That makes NO sense.
You're right, that makes no sense. Which is why that is NOT why they are going to fight each other.
Have you seen Man of Steel?
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So they're going to fight each other to prove who is the goodest?
That makes NO sense.
You're right, that makes no sense. Which is why that is NOT why they are going to fight each other.
Have you seen Man of Steel?
No definitely not.
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Don't bother. Man Of Steel is atrocious.
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So they're going to fight each other to prove who is the goodest?
That makes NO sense.
You're right, that makes no sense. Which is why that is NOT why they are going to fight each other.
Have you seen Man of Steel?
No definitely not.
Then don't watch Batman v. Superman, it's a direct follow-up to Man of Steel.
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I wasn't going to, but why are they fighting???
Did Superman insult Batman's mother on MOS?
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To make a long story that you won't watch very short, Batman is upset with Superman over events that happened in Man of Steel (mass destruction and death). He holds Superman responsible (rightly so, to a large extent) and wants to make him pay.
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To make a long story that you won't watch very short, Batman is upset with Superman over events that happened in Man of Steel (mass destruction and death). He holds Superman responsible (rightly so, to a large extent) and wants to make him pay.
OK. That makes sense I guess. So Superman tore up Gotham City to stop a bad guy and Batman wants him to fix it?
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Bruce Wayne is mad that one of the buildings that fell over was a Wayne building.
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Don't bother. Man Of Steel is atrocious.
There are some shaky moments, but I think it's perfectly fine.
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To make a long story that you won't watch very short, Batman is upset with Superman over events that happened in Man of Steel (mass destruction and death). He holds Superman responsible (rightly so, to a large extent) and wants to make him pay.
OK. That makes sense I guess. So Superman tore up Gotham City to stop a bad guy and Batman wants him to fix it?
Well, it was Metropolis, not Gotham, and Batman thinks the power to do such a thing makes Superman too powerful to let hang around, what with all the other destruction he could do any time he wants.
Also, one of the buildings destroyed in Metropolis was a Wayne Industries building, so a number of lives lost in the destruction were employees/friends of Bruce Wayne, so it's also personal.
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So, and I'm being serious here.. Was Superman remorseful about killing innocent people? How did he react?
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So, and I'm being serious here.. Was Superman remorseful about killing innocent people? How did he react?
I guess so. It wasn't really address in the film to my memory, which was one of the complaints about the film.
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Unless I'm forgetting something, Superman only killed one person... the main villain... and he was extremely and immediately remorseful.
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Tim, you're like my son who comes into the middle of a conversation, that he's not interested in, and not a part of and asks "What did you say?" :lol
Unless I'm forgetting something, Superman only killed one person... the main villain... and he was extremely and immediately remorseful.
Yeah, and I'm sure that all the office towers that crumbled were 100% empty, and no one was on the street with all the debris raining down. ::)
Batman sees Superman as an alien being, callous, and has the ability to wipe out the human race. He's suspicious of his intents and motives.
Superman sees Batman as a vigilante, disregarding law and order.
Then the real bad guy shows up and they realize they need to team up to win.
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Tim, you're like my son who comes into the middle of a conversation, that he's not interested in, and not a part of and asks "What did you say?" :lol
Unless I'm forgetting something, Superman only killed one person... the main villain... and he was extremely and immediately remorseful.
Yeah, and I'm sure that all the office towers that crumbled were 100% empty, and no one was on the street with all the debris raining down. ::)
Batman sees Superman as an alien being, callous, and has the ability to wipe out the human race. He's suspicious of his intents and motives.
Superman sees Batman as a vigilante, disregarding law and order.
Then the real bad guy shows up and they realize they need to team up to win.
Those deaths related to the destruction are attributed to Zod... not Superman.
The bolded is absolutely the plot of the upcoming movie. A shame it will be so predicable. Hopefully, it will be enjoyable regardless.
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You can attribute them to Zod if you want. But Zod was there because of Superman, and by taking part in the combat Superman is also culpable. He was fighting and punching through buildings too.
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Tim, you're like my son who comes into the middle of a conversation, that he's not interested in, and not a part of and asks "What did you say?" :lol
Huh? What did you say?
Batman sees Superman as an alien being, callous, and has the ability to wipe out the human race. He's suspicious of his intents and motives.
Superman sees Batman as a vigilante, disregarding law and order.
Then the real bad guy shows up and they realize they need to team up to win.
Ok thank you. I think that was the answer that I was looking for. Still doesn't make much sense.
What about Robin?
Does Batman have kryptonite in his belt?
Is the bad guy Luthor or The Penguin? Or do they team up to? ;D ;D
Like I said, I saw the commercial the other night and could not process it.
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:facepalm:
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You can attribute them to Zod if you want. But Zod was there because of Superman, and by taking part in the combat Superman is also culpable. He was fighting and punching through buildings too.
Yes, he was fighting to save himself and the world. It's not like he initiated anything. It's fine if Batman or whoever else want to hold Superman responsible for the collateral damage, but if this was a court case, he'd get off on self defense.
Also, the alternative to Superman engaging Zod was for every human being to be killed in the process of Zod terraforming the planet.
What about Robin?
From what I've seen of the trailers for the upcoming films, this telling of the story doesn't bode well for Robin (or at least one of the Robins).
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OK. I'm good guys. Thank you for your help. Carry on!! :)
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You can attribute them to Zod if you want. But Zod was there because of Superman, and by taking part in the combat Superman is also culpable. He was fighting and punching through buildings too.
Yes, he was fighting to save himself and the world. It's not like he initiated anything. It's fine if Batman or whoever else want to hold Superman responsible for the collateral damage, but if this was a court case, he'd get off on self defense.
Yes, but this isn't a court case. You are talking about two different perspectives. Yours is the perspective of the objective movie viewer. That perspective is irrelevant to the fictional average citizen in the DC movie universe that was witness to it all. From their perspective, you had two aliens duking it out, and innocent bystanders being caught in the middle, some of whom died. In the mind of MANY, that would make Superman culpable, just as Hef said.
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Ohhh TAC...you can't just bow out now. You've started something. DTF WILL FINISH IT.
:corn :metal
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You can attribute them to Zod if you want. But Zod was there because of Superman, and by taking part in the combat Superman is also culpable. He was fighting and punching through buildings too.
Yes, he was fighting to save himself and the world. It's not like he initiated anything. It's fine if Batman or whoever else want to hold Superman responsible for the collateral damage, but if this was a court case, he'd get off on self defense.
Yes, but this isn't a court case. You are talking about two different perspectives. Yours is the perspective of the objective movie viewer. That perspective is irrelevant to the fictional average citizen in the DC movie universe that was witness to it all. From their perspective, you had two aliens duking it out, and innocent bystanders being caught in the middle, some of whom died. In the mind of MANY, that would make Superman culpable, just as Hef said.
Also, Superman could have made a lot more effort to move the fights away from population centers.
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You can attribute them to Zod if you want. But Zod was there because of Superman, and by taking part in the combat Superman is also culpable. He was fighting and punching through buildings too.
Yes, he was fighting to save himself and the world. It's not like he initiated anything. It's fine if Batman or whoever else want to hold Superman responsible for the collateral damage, but if this was a court case, he'd get off on self defense.
Yes, but this isn't a court case. You are talking about two different perspectives. Yours is the perspective of the objective movie viewer. That perspective is irrelevant to the fictional average citizen in the DC movie universe that was witness to it all. From their perspective, you had two aliens duking it out, and innocent bystanders being caught in the middle, some of whom died. In the mind of MANY, that would make Superman culpable, just as Hef said.
Also, Superman could have made a lot more effort to move the fights away from population centers.
Exactly, which he didn't.
Also, now that this destructive potential has been witnessed by the world - THAT is what Batman fears. Superman has the power to destroy EVERYTHING, and what could anyone do about it? Batman prefers not to just trust that Supes won't do it. Because why should he?
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Exactly. From all that the world can tell, a couple of aliens had an all out brawl with Metropolis as their 'ring', there was a shit-load of collateral damage, and no one really knows what Supe's deal is. Given how cynical Batman naturally is, he's naturally going to take it upon himself to figure out what's what with Supe. I really like the line "Do you bleed? You will". Kryptonite or not, Batman is ingenious and resourceful, and I have faith he can take care of shit.
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Maybe it's me projecting here but I though during that fight that this day was his first real fighting. Who on his time on earth could he fight? So He was in an all out, knock down battle for his life and getting to a safer spot to fight never occurred to him in that moment.
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Well then he's a big blue doofus.
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Well then he's a big blue doofus.
Well, but that is nothing new.
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Indeed.
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And to help your thought process, the other Superman movies did show him wanting to take the fight to a safer place. It just crossed my mind at the time I saw it in the theaters he was fighting for his life.
Edit: :lol
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The Avengers could have taken both of their big battles to different places too. But they didn't. I don't see how people can blame Superman for not taking the fight somewhere else when EVERY OTHER SUPERHERO MOVIE DOES THE SAME THING. Besides, Zod was already destroying Metropolis before Superman got there.
Man of Steel has some glaring flaws. The destruction of Metropolis is not one of them.
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The Avengers could have taken both of their big battles to different places too. But they didn't. I don't see how people can blame Superman for not taking the fight somewhere else when EVERY OTHER SUPERHERO MOVIE DOES THE SAME THING. Besides, Zod was already destroying Metropolis before Superman got there.
Man of Steel has some glaring flaws. The destruction of Metropolis is not one of them.
I don't think anyone is saying it's a flaw in the story, just that it's the reason Batman has a hate on for Superman. It seems as though you're mixing real-life opinions of the movie vs speculation around the fiction of the storyline.
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You can attribute them to Zod if you want. But Zod was there because of Superman, and by taking part in the combat Superman is also culpable. He was fighting and punching through buildings too.
Yes, he was fighting to save himself and the world. It's not like he initiated anything. It's fine if Batman or whoever else want to hold Superman responsible for the collateral damage, but if this was a court case, he'd get off on self defense.
Yes, but this isn't a court case. You are talking about two different perspectives. Yours is the perspective of the objective movie viewer. That perspective is irrelevant to the fictional average citizen in the DC movie universe that was witness to it all. From their perspective, you had two aliens duking it out, and innocent bystanders being caught in the middle, some of whom died. In the mind of MANY, that would make Superman culpable, just as Hef said.
I think that the fictional average citizen will figure out in short order that Superman saved all of humanity. Sure, some won't believe it. But considering that the good alien and his GF work at the Daily Planet, the word'll get out. Sure there will be some who don't believe, or still see him as a threat, such as Batman. But I'll say it again. If it weren't for his actions, every single human, including Batman, would be dead.
Maybe it's me projecting here but I though during that fight that this day was his first real fighting. Who on his time on earth could he fight? So He was in an all out, knock down battle for his life and getting to a safer spot to fight never occurred to him in that moment.
Bingo! Zod even brought that up in his awesome "where did you train" line.
The Avengers could have taken both of their big battles to different places too. But they didn't. I don't see how people can blame Superman for not taking the fight somewhere else when EVERY OTHER SUPERHERO MOVIE DOES THE SAME THING. Besides, Zod was already destroying Metropolis before Superman got there.
Man of Steel has some glaring flaws. The destruction of Metropolis is not one of them.
Couldn't agree more.
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The Avengers could have taken both of their big battles to different places too. But they didn't.
In the first film, the portal the aliens were coming through was in New York City. They couldn't take the battle anywhere else; if they did, more aliens would keep coming through the portal without any heroes to stop them. Even so, the film was clear that the less powerful members of the team spent a lot of time clearing bystanders to safety as best they could.
In the second film, the Avengers went to great pains to rescue the citizens of the city instead of letting them all die from Ultron's army and the fall of the city. Oh, and there was that small plot element of the city being lifted off the face of the earth.
Superman didn't do anything to mitigate any loss of life as a result his battle with Zod.
Your comparison doesn't really work.
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Pretty much agree. The only thing Supe's did (granted, he's only one guy) was try to end the fight as fast as possible. The army worked on taking out the rest of Zod's crew, so all Sup had to do was cut the head of the snake off. He could've grabbed that mofo, and gone out to the suburbs, or an open stretch of an interstate rather than destroy a few dozen office towers, and grand central station.
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The Avengers could have taken both of their big battles to different places too. But they didn't.
In the first film, the portal the aliens were coming through was in New York City. They couldn't take the battle anywhere else; if they did, more aliens would keep coming through the portal without any heroes to stop them. Even so, the film was clear that the less powerful members of the team spent a lot of time clearing bystanders to safety as best they could.
And despite that, in BOTH films, you still had people, including some very smart and some very powerful people, who blamed the Avengers--or at the very least, were highly suspicious of them. That is what Civil War is about. Really, it's not that hard to understand. Taking that same concept to the DC universe, as Jingle said, "I don't think anyone is saying it's a flaw in the story, just that it's the reason Batman has a hate on for Superman."
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I really need to go back and watch Man of Steel. I've only seen it once and I remember liking it but not loving it.
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I thought it was ok up until the last 40 minutes of destruction...
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I liked it. was it a home run? Nope, but I liked it. I'm hoping that Lex in the new movie isn't so slapstick as we saw in the trailer. I'm hoping that's a facade.
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Man of Steel was fun to watch, but full of plot holes. So long as expectations are low, it's enjoyable enough. Action eye-candy is how I viewed it, and an attempt to revive the Superman movie franchise. The main story arc's are better than Superman Returns, but the details and execution leave much to be desired.
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I really need to go back and watch Man of Steel. I've only seen it once and I remember liking it but not loving it.
To me, it gets better with each viewing. The action sequences are what I've always wanted to see out of a Superman movie. And I love the darker/grittier movies that DC has been churning out.
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I think "darker and grittier" works better with some characters than others. DC's apparent intent to cast their entire film universe in that light is a potential problem (I don't think that Superman or the Flash, for example, should ever be "darker and grittier"), but I remain hopeful that the final results are good.
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I always liked dark and gritty. And I'm fine with Superman being just that, maybe not as dark as maybe Batman, but some is still fine.
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In contrast to that, Marvel has taken an interesting approach, IMO. The movies, at least initially, have taken a lighter approach to the universe as a whole, and especially the "heroes." Some of the TV series have presented a darker, grittier side of the same universe that coexists with the lighter side. And IMO the movies have set up, and Civil War will I believe bring to the forefront, a split between the lighter side and the darker side (although not as dark and gritty as, say, Daredevil), and again showcase both sides and both tones coexisting, to an extent.
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Plus Marvel had 5 films setting up the characters before Avengers.
BVS : Dawn Of Justice is pretty much putting all its eggs in one basket.
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I think "darker and grittier" works better with some characters than others. DC's apparent intent to cast their entire film universe in that light is a potential problem (I don't think that Superman or the Flash, for example, should ever be "darker and grittier"), but I remain hopeful that the final results are good.
I'm probably most disturbed with the idea of a "dark and gritty" Aquaman.
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I think "darker and grittier" works better with some characters than others. DC's apparent intent to cast their entire film universe in that light is a potential problem (I don't think that Superman or the Flash, for example, should ever be "darker and grittier"), but I remain hopeful that the final results are good.
I'm probably most disturbed with the idea of a "dark and gritty" Aquaman.
There is a version of Auqaman that is just that. Upset with how the lands dwellers are abusing the sea. We grew up in the very clean version of Auqaman.
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Plus Marvel had 5 films setting up the characters before Avengers.
BVS : Dawn Of Justice is pretty much putting all its eggs in one basket.
Well, sort of. I mean, once we got to Hulk and IM2, we all knew that they were setting up for Avengers. Dawn of Justice is NOT the Justice League movie. That is coming in 2017. Dawn of Justice is just a crossover with 2 major super heroes (I guess 3 if Wonder Woman plays a major role). So, counting Wonder Woman and Suicide Squad, DC will have had 4 movies to set up the official Justice League films. So DC is setting up their shared universe and super hero "team" with 4 movies of setup instead of 5. Pretty comparable.
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Aquaman will also have a small part in B v S. And Cyborg and Flash are also rumored to be making appearances.
I don't count Suicide Squad as setup for the JL, although certainly in that universe.
So really, 2 films to set up the JL. MoS and BvS.
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I don't count Suicide Squad as setup for the JL, although certainly in that universe.
Fair enough, but it is establishing the shared universe, even if it is not going to do anything to set up the Justice League heroes. Not sure if there is going to be an eventual tie-in or not. But still, my point was just that DC is taking the time to set up their huge team-up epic with a few films rather than, as Kowtow suggested, just jumping right to it after one film (which would ultimately be fine too, as long as it worked).
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Aquaman will also have a small part in B v S. And Cyborg and Flash are also rumored to be making appearances.
I don't count Suicide Squad as setup for the JL, although certainly in that universe.
So really, 2 films to set up the JL. MoS and BvS.
^that.
Marvel had individual movies for the four main Avengers, all connected with Coulson, significant involvement from Nick Fury, and tangible cameos for both Hawkeye and Black Widow. Every character had there own mythos explained and explored.
Justice League will have none of that. They're going the opposite direction - get the team together, then give them their own movie. I'm not saying it's worse or better, just that they're not doing things the same way Marvel did - other than cramming WW and perhaps others into BvS.
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Several, for sure.
The bigger difference is that with Marvel, Iron Man had two films of his own, Thor had one, Captain America had one, Hulk had one, then they all teamed up. The team-up only had to show how they worked together, it didn't have to serve as intro to the characters as well; their solo films had done that already.
DC had Man of Steel which introduced Superman, and now Batman v Superman to introduce everyone else, and then Justice League 1 & 2 with solo films to follow.
It's a different approach, and I wish them luck.
EDIT: ninja'd by a Canadian.
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EDIT: ninja'd by a Canadian.
Caninja!
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EDIT: ninja'd by a Canadian.
Caninja!
I had that once. Luckily, some rad antibiotics cleared it right up.
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EDIT: ninja'd by a Canadian.
Caninja!
I think I had that in Montreal
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EDIT: ninja'd by a Canadian.
Caninja!
I think I had that in Montreal
If you did, you would've never known.
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So you do have a super power.
I wonder how the Flash will be. The actor they got doesn't seem like Flash material. That being said, I thought the same about Heather Ledger and other was I wrong.
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So you do have a super power.
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...the Flash
If his "super power" is that Mrs. Jingle calls him "the Flash," that probably does not bode well.
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He's got to get some to say that.
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I think "darker and grittier" works better with some characters than others. DC's apparent intent to cast their entire film universe in that light is a potential problem (I don't think that Superman or the Flash, for example, should ever be "darker and grittier"), but I remain hopeful that the final results are good.
I'm probably most disturbed with the idea of a "dark and gritty" Aquaman.
You dropped a beer can on the beach.
Now.
He's gotta rape your mum.
AQUAMAN.
THE. TIDE. HAS. TURNED.
(rated PG 13 obviously)
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:rollin "THE. TIDE. HAS. TURNED." for an Aquaman movie would be the best movie tagline of all time.
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:lol
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STOP GIVING SNYDER IDEAS
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The final trailer for Batman V Superman is here, and it's ten times better than the last trailer we got
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cle_rKBpZ28
:omg: Can we talk about the beginning part of this trailer and how it contains some of the best Batman action sequences ever captured?!? Can't wait for this!
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When did Batman become superhuman ?
He's lifting guys and throwing them 50 ft...
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The final trailer for Batman V Superman is here, and it's ten times better than the last trailer we got
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cle_rKBpZ28
:omg: Can we talk about the beginning part of this trailer and how it contains some of the best Batman action sequences ever captured?!? Can't wait for this!
These trailers are such a roller coaster ride. When I saw the first real trailer for BvS, I was so pumped. I'm not a DC fan and that trailer was amazing. Then the 2nd trailer with Doomsday came out and I completely lost interest. Everything about it was just awful. Then this new trailer came out and it's a mixed bag. The Batman stuff is incredible. All of the Wonder Woman and Superman stuff though just seemed silly to me. Though I admit, there two great scenes. The scene where Ssuperman touches Batman, which sends him flying, and of course the last scene where Batman blocks Superman and Superman is shocked. Great scene.
That said. I suspect this movie will be okay. I anticipate great Batman stuff but silly rest of the movie. Of all the superhero movies on 2016, it's the one I'm least excited for. Cap, Deadpool, Suicide Squad and Dr. Strange are all much more highly anticipated. Mostly due to that awful 2nd trailer and some of the really silly aspects of this one.
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When did Batman become superhuman ?
He's lifting guys and throwing them 50 ft...
That's one problem a lot of people had with Watchmen too. They were supposed to be human beings (except one) yet were throwing people around and doing things impossible for any human. Must be how Zack Snyder melds the comic world with the real one.
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I hate Superman for demolishing Metropolis , including one of my buildings, i;m gonna get into a fight with him which might damage even more property ! :D
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Well, this isn't Christopher Nolan's grounded interpretation of the character. How you see Batman beating up the bad guys in this trailer is how he beat up the bad guys in the comic books.
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I hate Superman for demolishing Metropolis , including one of my buildings, i;m gonna get into a fight with him which might damage even more property ! :D
His mind is on stopping him to end more building damage silly.
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These trailers are such a roller coaster ride. When I saw the first real trailer for BvS, I was so pumped. I'm not a DC fan and that trailer was amazing. Then the 2nd trailer with Doomsday came out and I completely lost interest. Everything about it was just awful. Then this new trailer came out and it's a mixed bag. The Batman stuff is incredible. All of the Wonder Woman and Superman stuff though just seemed silly to me. Though I admit, there two great scenes. The scene where Ssuperman touches Batman, which sends him flying, and of course the last scene where Batman blocks Superman and Superman is shocked. Great scene.
That said. I suspect this movie will be okay. I anticipate great Batman stuff but silly rest of the movie. Of all the superhero movies on 2016, it's the one I'm least excited for. Cap, Deadpool, Suicide Squad and Dr. Strange are all much more highly anticipated. Mostly due to that awful 2nd trailer and some of the really silly aspects of this one.
Nailed it.
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I so wanted to hope I would like BVS but with each shitty trailer I think this movie is "doomed".
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That was a MUCH better trailer than the first. It's really just too bad that the second trailer showed the whole movie and spoiled it. How the hell do you make a movie called Batman VS Superman and then in the trailer show them working together??? Who ever approved that second trailer should be fired and banned from Hollywood. The other thing this film has going against it is Jessie Eissenberg. Can't stand him. I'm thinking this will be good not great. I am looking forward to a stand alone Batman film. I actually think that Ben Afflec will make a better Batman than Bale.
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These trailers are such a roller coaster ride. When I saw the first real trailer for BvS, I was so pumped. I'm not a DC fan and that trailer was amazing. Then the 2nd trailer with Doomsday came out and I completely lost interest. Everything about it was just awful. Then this new trailer came out and it's a mixed bag. The Batman stuff is incredible. All of the Wonder Woman and Superman stuff though just seemed silly to me. Though I admit, there two great scenes. The scene where Ssuperman touches Batman, which sends him flying, and of course the last scene where Batman blocks Superman and Superman is shocked. Great scene.
That said. I suspect this movie will be okay. I anticipate great Batman stuff but silly rest of the movie. Of all the superhero movies on 2016, it's the one I'm least excited for. Cap, Deadpool, Suicide Squad and Dr. Strange are all much more highly anticipated. Mostly due to that awful 2nd trailer and some of the really silly aspects of this one.
This guy knows what's up.
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The Batman stuff is really what keeps my interest up. Affleck looks great, this version of Batman looks great, and I even like the weird decision of making Alfred more important by having his own command center at the batcave, helping Batman with the tactical stuff. As soon as it cuts to Superman, I'm reminded by how lukewarm I was on Man of Steel, and overall I just never cared for Superman. I know he's one of the most iconic superheroes, but to me he was always too powerful, and I never got into him, the same way I did with Spider-Man or Batman.
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^^ That's why I enjoyed parts of Man of Steel because we see a vulnerable Superman. I know people are upset that they are not getting the squeaky clean Superman movies like the ones with Christopher Reeve, which they were great, and the first two Superman films are still the top ten Comic Book movies of all time. As great as they were, they are nothing like the Superman comics I read growing up, from John Byrne's The Man of Steel series in the 80's and onwards, which show Superman dealing with moral issues and becoming vulnerable.
I highly suggest folks pick up All-Star Superman, Secret Origin, Birthright, and Red Son
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Justice League will start filming April 11!!!
https://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/21/justice-league-starts-April-11
The legal maxim, “Justice delayed is justice denied” wasn’t meant to apply to superhero films, but the epic wait is finally over for DC fans.
Zack Snyder’s Justice League — Part 1 is officially a go at Warner Bros. and will begin filming on April 11, a little over two weeks after the release of Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, the director and studio tell EW.
“The idea that we could begin to boot up a Justice League concept was a cool thing,” says Snyder, who also directed 2013’s Man of Steel and has become one of the key figures in shaping DC’s connected film universe.
“It was a little bit of an ‘about time’ moment, and I don’t blame [the studio] for feeling that way, because it’s a long time coming,” he said. “But I do feel like it’s a little bit of a creative hurdle. It seems like an easy thing to do at first glance, the idea that, ‘Oh, we just get the rest of the superheroes in there.’ But you have to [establish] a world where they can exist.”
Dawn of Justice, which hits theaters March 25, focuses on a clash between Superman (played again by Henry Cavill) and a new Batman/Bruce Wayne, portrayed by Ben Affleck, who is seething with rage toward the Kryptonian over the destruction unleashed on Metropolis in Man of Steel. The film also features a major role for Wonder Woman (played by Gal Gadot), which is — astoundingly — the first time the character has appeared in a live-action feature film in her 75-year history.
Other famous DC characters also make brief appearances in that movie — Ezra Miller as the Flash, Jason Momoa as Aquaman, and Ray Fisher as Cyborg — but while Batman and Superman battle it out in the main storyline, those are cameos that mainly lay groundwork for a broader universe in Justice League.
Fans can be forgiven for wondering if they’d ever really get to see all of DC’s heroes on one side. But this time, there’s no doubt. It’s happening, and Snyder is currently in the U.K. prepping for the start.
A previous Justice League movie was planned in 2007, with Mad Max: Fury Road director George Miller at the helm, and many of the main characters had been cast: Armie Hammer as Batman, D.J. Catrona as Superman, Megan Gale as Wonder Woman, Common as Green Lantern, and Adam Brody as the Flash. Then the project collapsed due to the 2007-08 Writers Guild strike when the script wasn’t ready in time to begin principal photography and many of the deals lapsed.
Wonder Woman was also supposed to get her own feature back in 2005 when Joss Whedon was developing a story that he planned to write and direct, but that project also notoriously never came to fruition. Finally, Diana Prince’s Amazonian alter-ego will get a stand-alone in between Batman v. Superman and Justice League.
Wonder Woman, directed by Patty Jenkins (Monster) and starring Gadot, is currently shooting and will be released on June 23, 2017. That film will be followed up just a few months later by Snyder’s Justice League, which will debut Nov. 17, 2017.
In the meantime, on Aug. 5 we’ll be getting DC’s Suicide Squad from writer-director David Ayer, with Jared Leto as the Joker, Will Smith as Deadshot, and Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn, among many others.
Justice League will shoot at the Warner Bros. Leavesden studios in southeast England, as well as various locations around London and in Iceland. While this film is being designated Part 1, the follow-up installment, which will shoot separately, is already on the studio’s release schedule for 2019, following standalone movies for The Flash and Aquaman (both planned for 2018).
After Justice League — Part 2, Warner Bros. has plans for a Cyborg movie with Fisher, and a new take on Green Lantern, although an actor for that role hasn’t been revealed yet and those movies, set for somewhere in 2020, haven’t been given release dates.
There may also be other DC movies that turn up in the meantime, according to Warner Bros. A Ben Affleck-directed Batman movie is one possibility.
Dwayne Johnson has tweeted about playing the villain Black Adam in a Warner Bros./New Line production of DC’s Shazam, and that movie has been announced by the studio for 2019, but it’s not clear whether it’s part of the same narrartive as the other movies.
While three years passed between the release Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman, that was mainly because the various creative teams were mapping out so many interlocked stories. “The studio really wants us to try and pace it up, as far as —now we have an idea where we’re going,” Snyder says.
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This is how i'd rank them :
1. Superman 1978
2. Superman II
3. Superman Returns
4. Man Of Steel
5. Superman III
6. Superman IV
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Superman, after all these years, still is one of the greatest comic book films ever, and still hard to top the masterful storytelling and script from Mario Puzo. Plus that John Williams score :hefdaddy
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I'd enjoy Man Of Steel a lot more if that 40 minute battle was a LOT shorter.
Oh and if Superman did anything heroic.
Um..and if he didn't kill Zod.
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But he killed Zod in Superman II and NOBODY is complaining about that! And under the circumstances in Man of Steel, Superman was more justified to killing Zod in that film than he was in Superman II. In Superman II, he killed Zod with a smile on his face! Lol
Also, Supes wore the Cape for like two days in Man of Steel. He was heroic in stopping a murderous Kryptonian army from destroying Earth.
I'm not trying to defend Man of Steel, because I had issues with its story construction and pacing. How the character was handled was not one of them.
Man of Steel was better than Superman Returns lol
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Exactly. People forget that there is other versions of Superman where he had to kill but didn't. That is what Man Of Steel was.
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I thought the moment when he killed Zod in MoS was great, and they really made a point to show how awful he felt about it.
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But he killed Zod in Superman II and NOBODY is complaining about that!
I complain about it. The Donner films (I & II) get a lot more love than they deserve. They are hokey as hell, and are filled with stuff that was invented for the films, having no basis in the comics.
I mean, they are light years better than III & IV, but they aren't really that good, either as adaptations of the source material or as just films.
That's always been the fate of the Warner Brothers/DC films. They seem to be extremely uncomfortable just putting the damn character from the comics on screen. It's like they don't trust that what works on paper will work on screen. Even in their best films, like the Nolan Batman films, which are extraordinary films and well deserving of all their accolades, that's not really the Batman from the comics. That's Nolan's idea of what the Batman from the comics should have been.
It's not a problem that Marvel has displayed in the MCU films. Which is one big reason that those films have been so successful. They trust the source material.
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That's always been the fate of the Warner Brothers/DC films. They seem to be extremely uncomfortable just putting the damn character from the comics on screen. It's like they don't trust that what works on paper will work on screen. Even in their best films, like the Nolan Batman films, which are extraordinary films and well deserving of all their accolades, that's not really the Batman from the comics. That's Nolan's idea of what the Batman from the comics should have been.
I haven't really read the comics, but I was of the impression that Nolan's Batman was very close to the Batman in some of the comics. The character has been in a hell of a lot of comics over the years.
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The tone was very similar to the most-loved presentations of the character. Nolan definitely had the closest approach.
I also appreciated that he displayed the mental aspect of the character, his detective skills.
But I wasn't a huge fan of the scenes showing Batman in combat while in full costume. The costume was very bulky, almost like armor, and wouldn't account for the fluidity of motion shown by the character in the comics. The combat footage of Batman shown in the latest B v. S trailer is MUCH closer to the Batman of the comics, and the presentation of Batman is very much my attraction to the upcoming film. THAT Batman looks like the Batman from the comics, IMHO.
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Nolan's Batman was definitely a very unique take on Batman. If anything I'd say the new Batman in BvS looks like the best/most accurate Batman we've ever gotten, but that doesn't mean the movie will be great. Nolan knew what made a great Batman film even if he took some liberties. This might be closer to the Batman we know, but they still gotta nail the script and everything else.
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I loved the concept of Nolan's Batman. Let's take a super hero with no super powers in a very fantastical world and put him in a much grounded world. It worked brilliantly, and he didn't tarnish the character doing it.
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It felt real. Ledger's Joker seemed like he could happen. As the movie went on his hair got progressively greasy. You could imagine a crazy man not showering and obsessing like his character did.
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So apparently there will be a Blu-ray version of B v. S called The Ultimate Edition which will be rated R for violence.
Is that really necessary?
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From the director of Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen....are you really surprised? Lol
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So apparently there will be a Blu-ray version of B v. S called The Ultimate Edition which will be rated R for violence.
Is that really necessary?
Just the first sign that some studios did not learn the right lessons from Deadpool. However, since it's just an alternate version on the blu-ray, it's not a huge deal.
Though, does anyone else remember than the first of the modern comic book movies was rated R? Blade.
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Rumour has it that there will be ANOTHER Fantastic 4 movie but R rated :lolpalm:
The fantastic 4 franchise reminds me of the scene in RoboCop 2 with all the failed models that all commit suicide :rollin
https://t.co/z2z0kqMaWI < - - just replace " robocop 2 " with " The fantastic 4 " :rollin
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Rumour has it that there will be ANOTHER Fantastic 4 movie but R rated :lolpalm:
The fantastic 4 franchise reminds me of the scene in RoboCop 2 with all the failed models that all commit suicide :rollin
Other than random people saying it (much like this post I'm responding to) I have seen no rumors what so ever. Someone making a comment about it on a website is not a rumor.
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Though, does anyone else remember than the first of the modern comic book movies was rated R? Blade.
I certainly do! Blade is a personal favorite of mine.
"Some mother-fuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill."
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Blade is ok but the CGI in that movie is *awful* :lol
I actually like Blade 2 and 3 more. I love Ryan Reynolds in Blade 3.
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There are moments in Blade 2 where the CGI is even worse, but that ending fight scene with Nomak is fantastic!
Blade 2 is my favorite. I don't care for Blade 3 much.
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I like them just in the order. 1 to 3 being the worst. 1 was great.
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Oh crap, we're talking about a Marvel property in the DC thread. Hurry, everybody scram before Hef gets here.
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My fault! Sorry sorry.
So back to DC. I'm not a huge DC fan, but since I assume studios will be doing R movies soon enough, which DC characters really need an R rating? So obviously nothing like Superman or The Flash.
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What's the big dealio? I'd love to have an alternative version of a movie.
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My fault! Sorry sorry.
So back to DC. I'm not a huge DC fan, but since I assume studios will be doing R movies soon enough, which DC characters really need an R rating? So obviously nothing like Superman or The Flash.
AQUAMAN
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:lol
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Though the actor playing Aquaman can kill with a stare. :lol
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So apparently there will be a Blu-ray version of B v. S called The Ultimate Edition which will be rated R for violence.
Is that really necessary?
Just the first sign that some studios did not learn the right lessons from Deadpool.
I don't think it has anything to do with Deadpool. Snyder probably hasn't had time to do an alternate cut incorporating more adult stuff as a reaction to Deadpool - he is doing prep work on Justice League Pt. 1 which apparently starts filming in April.
No, this seems like something that would have been planned all along. You know, because DC is harder and grittier than Marvel.
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And I like it.
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And I like it.
And that's fine, and since you like it, I'm glad it will be available to you.
But an R-rated Superman film just seems weird. Like they have forgotten where they came from.
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There is now no chance of me seeing this in the theaters. I'll wait for the Blu-Ray. Not because of the R rating but becasue I want to see the film that the director truly wanted to make.
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So...you're going to wait for the version of the film you don't want to see? Isn't the R-rated version on Blu-Ray only or is it going to be released in theaters too?
This couldn't possibly affect me any less than it does. I'm not even sure I'll end up seeing it in theaters, I'm awaiting the critical and commercial response before I take the time and money to see it. I'm leaning towards not seeing it in theaters. The R-rated factor completely depends on the material that made it R. If it's senseless violence that adds nothing but "oh wow cool they're violent with their super powers!" (which is honestly what I'm expecting), then meh. Otherwise, I don't see the big deal. I'm picturing something that Doomsday does though, not the heroes. It might also be as simple as them showing the actual carnage and destruction of what their battle has wrought in full view instead of a coy "okay, you know people died but we're not showing it".
Either way this isn't a huge deal.
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There is now no chance of me seeing this in the theaters. I'll wait for the Blu-Ray. Not because of the R rating but becasue I want to see the film that the director truly wanted to make.
The film he truly wanted to make is the theatrical release. Not sure why you would think otherwise.
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You know, because DC is harder and grittier than Marvel.
Like the sand on Tatooine.
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There is now no chance of me seeing this in the theaters. I'll wait for the Blu-Ray. Not because of the R rating but becasue I want to see the film that the director truly wanted to make.
The film he truly wanted to make is the theatrical release. Not sure why you would think otherwise.
Most of the time when I hear "director's cut" I think it's the version the directed wanted. I think a lot films shown in theaters are heavily influenced by the decisions of the studio powers that be. Look at what happened with the latest Fantastic 4. I'm not sure if the R rating is a directors cut or not, just the impression I got. Also, the extended cut of the final Hobbit movie was rated R and it was just because of one scene where some orcs got decapitated. Wasn't that big of deal.
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I would guess it's the same thing with this. Probably one or two scenes that went a little to far to come in under the PG-13 wing that they cut - just putting them back in.
But nowhere has it been stated that this is a "director's cut." It's just another cut.
For that matter, Peter Jackson has been fairly adamant that the "director's cuts" of the LOTR films are the theatrical releases, NOT the extended versions.
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You know, because DC is harder and grittier than Marvel.
Well at least I don't have to worry about forced jokes
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You know, because DC is harder and grittier than Marvel.
Well at least I don't have to worry about forced jokes
I don't even know what you're saying. The humor in the MCU films is natural and not forced. That's one of the reasons for their appeal.
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It's getting less natural, though I have enough faith in the Russo Brothers to have a good balance in Civil War, and that Crossbones isn't gonna be a fuckin stand up comedian like Ultron. I get that the humor is part of the MCU, and Phase 1 it was all very well integrated (naturally might I add) and it definitely worked for Guardians of the Galaxy, but now it's getting too much. Age of Ultron was definitely 20% plot, 80% jokes. I was like OK ENOUGH ALREADY. Awful, disappointing movie, and Ant-Man was a ball of fluff.
Back to the DC flicks....
Snyder posted the first official production photo of Justice League with the man, Jason Momoa
(https://media.melty.com/article-9660-ratio265_640-f1456247660/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-zack-snyder.jpg)
Im not sure what character some of these costumes are gonna be for, or even if they are completed, but that Flash costume looks fantastic! And I can't wait to see Momoa's take, because people still view Aquaman like he was portrayed in the classic Super Friends cartoons, and not in the comics. Momoa is gonna bring it, and he is so stoked to be part of the Justice League.
Also, has anyone watched the Young Justice show? I hear good things, but is it worth investing my time to check out?
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I lived that cartoon. I wish they continued that series.
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I lived that cartoon.
Wow, most people only watched it.
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You should have seen me in the tights! :lol
Loved, loved!
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You should have seen me in the tights! :lol
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:lol
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So JK Simmons is signed on to play Commissioner Gordon. This makes me happy.
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That kinda sucks since I was hoping he would return as J Jonah Jameson (which he has said himself he would like to do) and this kinda closes the door on that. Still, he's a personal favorite.
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Why would it close the door? It's both a bit part in both universes now.
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Excellent casting!
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Why would it close the door? It's both a bit part in both universes now.
How is it a bit part? Everyone remembers Gary Oldman and JJ as their respective DC and Marvel characters. They are integral parts of the supporting cast.
They don't necessarily have to be, mind you, they could play bit parts, but they haven't in the past.
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I'm not saying their not important. I wouldn't be excited if it was but in the big universe right not it is smaller. It's less time than a big part like Captain America that's in multiple movies and he is able to have multiple roles, in multiple movies. That's all I'm saying.
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I'm not saying their not important. I wouldn't be excited if it was but in the big universe right not it is smaller. It's less time than a big part like Captain America that's in multiple movies and he is able to have multiple roles, in multiple movies. That's all I'm saying.
Oh yea, I get that, I think one difference here is that JK as JJ was one of those defining moments in casting. People still look back on those original movies and think that JK was the perfect JJ in every sense. It's not like Bryce Dallas who was a fine Gwen, but who cares? Or Topher Grace. JK made a lasting impression, evidenced by the amount of conversation being had about him and the endless MEMES about him as JJ.
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He was amazing as JJ. No doubt!
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JK Simmons is always good casting.
But there was no way in hell he was coming back to Spider-Man. Marvel and Sony would not have done that.
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I remember JK Simmons saying at one point that there had been contact (might have been before the Marvel/Sony deal) but I think it would have been possible. Not a guarantee, but I'd say over 50%.
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I've seen him respond to reporters/fanboys questions about it (that he wouldn't be against it), but I've never heard him or anyone else say that the actual studio had contacted him about it.
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EW just did two awesome interviews with Affleck and Cavill about their prospective roles, and it delves into the collateral damage controversy in Man of Steel, which seems to be the driving force of the beef between Bats and Supes. I like that they did not ignore it and it's an integral part of the plot, because there is a LOT of collateral damage in most superhero movies, whether it's DC or Marvel. Civil War hinted this issue too in the new trailer.
He's a few of quotes from the Cavill interview: https://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/08/batman-v-superman-henry-cavill-interview
“Superman’s weakness is that he doesn’t want to hurt anyone. He doesn’t want to scare anyone, and in that you can take advantage of him. This is someone who is a complete amateur, and he’s facing up against someone who is very well versed in the arts of War."
After the destruction we saw in Man of Steel, is Superman suffering from a kind of survivor’s guilt, since he saved the world, but destroyed a city?
I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s a survivor’s guilt. I mean, that’s a different kind of thing because he’s above the threat. I think the most difficult thing for him at this stage of the story is that he has just come to terms with the fact that he is really, really quite powerful and he hasn’t found any major vulnerabilities yet, and despite this, despite the enormous power that he has, he still cannot do everything, and he really struggles with that. It’s not just a quick, “Okay, I get it. I can’t save everyone.” That takes a long time to work out.
I've been defending MOS in that Superman was not "Superman", just an alien being in a suit trying to figure out things, and this pretty much confirms what I thought the direction of the Character was going. Superman is the reason why these super beings are coming out and revealing themselves to the world because they can't do it alone. This will all lead into the assembly of the Justice League.
From the Affleck interview: https://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/09/batman-v-superman-ben-affleck-wonder-woman
I like that Zack took this issue that some people had with Man of Steel, the anger over all this chaos and destruction unleashed in the climax of that movie and actually turned it into the plot. Can you talk to me about the contempt that Bruce Wayne feels for this godlike figure?
Yeah, watching destruction and seeing things exploding, which we take for granted in this genre of movie — there’s a price for that. There are people in those buildings, and the people in those buildings get killed, and that’s the real price of violence. The real cost of that is in people’s lives and suffering. And we see that through the suffering that Bruce Wayne goes through. I think it’s really interesting. I really liked the idea that you can’t just blow up a whole city and just blindly move on.
Your Batman has been doing this for more than a decade or so, maybe even longer than that. But he doesn’t feel like things are better. Is Batman projecting some of his own anger toward himself on Superman?
Yeah, he’s projecting in some ways his own sense of failure, his own sense of disillusionment, his own cynicism onto Superman, having at one point been certainly much more idealistic about what he was doing. He’s also always been kind of a dark guy. You can’t go out at night and avenge crime the way he does, obviously, without a darker view of the world, but you can see that this probably contributes in some degree to the greater cycle of violence. And that doesn’t put an end to crime. There’s a line about weeds just cropping up and criminals are like weeds, you just pull more of them and they grow back. He’s very disillusioned and very bitter.
Yes. YES. Fucking perfect.
God I just hope they fixed the story construction, which was a glaring flaw for Man of Steel. It sounds like the hiring of Chris Terrio to re-write the script helped fixed it.
Also I love this :lol
What do Batman and Superman talk about when you’re both in costume between takes?
Like, “Do you need to pee?” “Yeah, I need to pee.” “Should we go now or wait?” “How much time do you think we’ll have between shots?” [Laughs] That’s pretty much it. The process.
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Exactly what I said as well about MOS. Dead on.
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So it has been CONFIRMED that the secret Jena Malone role for Batman v Superman is indeed Barbara Gordon. She has been cut from the theatrical release. More than likely, all that R-rated stuff might include her as she gets crippled from Jared Leto's Joker, who was reported to have shot something for BVS.
I guarantee it we will have Oracle in the Ben Affleck directed Batman movie :metal
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It was only a matter of time until somebody responded to Deadpool. WB just announced their newest entty into the DCU will be:
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Lobo
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Not sure how I feel about that.
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Well, WB has been trying to make a Lobo movie for a while. Guy Ritchie was very vocal about directing it back in 2009 or 2010.
It's interesting because he first appeared in Omega Men in the 80's, and then was revived in the 90's as this awesome biker bounty hunter. I don't think he's been popular since, with some brief appearances in the DC animated movies and Justice League tv show in the early 2000s. But if Guardians of the Galaxy proved anything, people will go see a movie about an interesting character they aren't familiar with, and one who is an anti-hero. I'm excited to see what happens with it. They have Jason Fuchs writing it, and reports are saying WB are very happy with the script he wrote for Wonder Woman.
There are a few actors I can imagine playing Lobo. Mickey Rourke is on top of my list. I think Danny Trejo would be a fun choice as well. Jeffery Dean Morgan who played The Comedian in Watchmen would be excellent
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There are a few actors I can imagine playing Lobo. Mickey Rourke is on top of my list. I think Danny Trejo would be a fun choice as well. Jeffery Dean Morgan who played The Comedian in Watchmen would be excellent
He was awesome in The Losers too. I don't know squat about Lobo, but if you think JDM is a good choice, then Clive Owen might be too - the two of them remind me a lot of one another.
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Red Letter Media suggested that an R - rated Lobo would be coming. As usual they are spot on.
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Reactions from the Batman v Superman Premiere last night have been overall pretty positive! And it sounds like Gal Gadot steals the show! Also some of the reactions say that the trailers have deceived us. Sounds good to me! Give me this damn movie now!!!!
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/the-first-reactions-from-the-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-a132330
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Glad this is getting good reviews. I may actually go see it now.
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I wish we gotten this trailer for BVS. Trailers sure knew how to market their films back 20 years ago :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOnUt2P3qiM
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I'm glad to hear all the good stuff coming out about BvS, but keep in mind that none of these reports are actual reviews from legit critics - those are still on embargo for a few more days.
But I remain hopeful.
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The two largest newspapers in Norway (VG and Dagbladet) have both reviewed BvS and given it 5/6.
Dagbladet writes: "One of the most interesting super-hero movies since The Dark Night".
I cant wait! Seeing it tomorrow! :metal
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Dagbladet writes: "One of the super-hero movies since The Dark Night".
ftfy :P
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The two largest newspapers in Norway (VG and Dagbladet) have both reviewed BvS and given it 5/6.
Dagbladet writes: "One of the most interesting super-hero movies since The Dark Night".
I cant wait! Seeing it tomorrow! :metal
I don't think I've ever seen someone rate something on a 6-point scale before.
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1 - bad
2 - competent
3 - not bad
4 - good
5 - great
6 - amazeballs
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5 dots on a dice is more accurate ;)
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5 dots on a dice is more accurate ;)
Not on my dice:
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:lol Well...prog forum, so yeah...
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It's sitting at 35% on rottentomatoes.
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Apparently while the initial fan twitter reactions were good, the actual critics were less pleased. The general consensus seems to be "Fun, but a jumbled mess....also Gal Gadot is awesome"
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I'm still hyped about seeing it tomorrow, I won't let other critics affect my opinion.
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The general consensus seems to be "Fun, but a jumbled mess....also Gal Gadot is awesome"
Yeah, that seems to be the gist of what I've seen from critics.
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I really believe that when they started looking for someone to play Lex Luthor someone referenced Heisenberg for Breaking Bad and another person didn't get it and thought it was Jesse Eisenberg.
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While I admittedly haven't seen the film, on the face of it, that seems like HORRIBLE casting.
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While I admittedly haven't seen the film, on the face of it, that seems like HORRIBLE casting.
I didn't hate the casting when it was announced, but every appearance by Lex in the trailers has been grating.
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I'm not seeing it until tomorrow, so just judging it on the trailers, but Eisenberg's Luthor looks like he would fit right into Batman Forever or Batman and Robin, and feels incredibly out of place in a darker than black batman v superman film.
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Agreed.
Speaking of how dark the tone is, I hear that this portrayal of Batman may be the darkest ever.
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Agree with all the above posts re: Eisenberg. Hope the movie proves us wrong.
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Honestly Eisenberg is the one and only reason I would consider seeing this film. He was the only part of the trailers that wasn't boring. :lol
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Eisenberg will knock this out of the park. Adding some colorfulness to this serious superhero movie will add a bit of much need contrast.
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:lol @ the Heisenberg = Jesse Eisenberg. That's fucking brilliant.
I honestly can't tell if he's a genius in this role or just a downright miserable douchebag. They haven't shown NEARLY enough of his character for the immense amounts of hatred thrown his way (unless you just really don't like Eisenberg, but I do the vast majority of the time), but people love to make immense assumptions on smidgens of info so nothing new there. I do agree with Hef though that it looks tonally out of place and a seemingly cheesy bright spot in an otherwise colorless movie.
I do really want to see how his character turns out and as Shadow said, is pretty much the only reason I'd even consider seeing the movie. But I don't think I will unless I end up having a really, really, really, really, really, really, reaaaallllllly boring day one day and just decide to go on a whim. Pretty sure this will be an On Demand movie down the line for me.
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I want to go see it. Just for sh*ts and gigg*es
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Apparently that trailer really did give away the whole movie.
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No it didnt.
I fucking loved the movie. A bit fast paced at times, but fucking incredible as a movie. I actually wished it was longer.
Affleck = the best Batman ever. No doubt. (If you're a fan of the comics at least)
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Oh, Lex was a total psychopath. Perfect casting as Lex jr. I was really sceptical when I heard Eisenberg was playing him, but he really fit in.
For those who think the movie is crowded with too many super heroes. Dont worry. It really isn't at all. Go see this movie, and you'll understand.
I am a big DC nerd. This is THE definitive DC-movie that has been released at this point.
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It seems like the general movie audience is enjoying it. A friend of mine just came back from an early IMAX screening in Irvine, CA tonight, and said that it was better than Man of Steel and is not what the critics are painting it to be. I am working on a commercial through Friday, so Saturday is looking like the day I will go see it.
Aurorablind, I'm a DC guy myself (although I do love Marvel too.....im Team Coexist!), so I am excited to finally see Batman and Superman not the big screen together, not to mention Wonder Woman's long overdue big screen appearance. Do you think people who aren't familiar with DC will enjoy it?
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Im sure it's a very enjoyable movie for the general movie goer, though a lot of references and easter eggs may be a bit confusing.
The movie is packed with so much goodness that it's impossible to get bored.
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No it didnt.
I fucking loved the movie. A bit fast paced at times, but fucking incredible as a movie. I actually wished it was longer.
Affleck = the best Batman ever. No doubt. (If you're a fan of the comics at least)
You don't need to wish. You just need to wait for the directors cut on the BluRay release which will be 30 minutes longer AND R-rated. :-*
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So yeah, this movie could've been so much better.
The first half is outright plodding, I did not like Luthor's portrayal (though that's more of a personal opinion), still think Gal Gadot is not right for WW, but man oh man did Affleck killed it as Batman!
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Im sure it's a very enjoyable movie for the general movie goer, though a lot of references and easter eggs may be a bit confusing.
The movie is packed with so much goodness that it's impossible to get bored.
I just came back from the cinema (my cousin invited me), and it wasn't enjoyable, and it's possible to get bored - I did. In fact, I fell asleep at one point, for at least 10 minutes. That said, I don't usually care for superhero/action movies (although one of the Batman movies with Christian Bale I did like), so maybe my opinion is not anything representative.
About the easter eggs: I wasn't paying much attention (I don't know much of the stories of the characters), so there might be a lot of stuff I missed. Still, I thought Wonder Woman looked more like Xena than the Wonder Woman I know. I did like the music in a scene in which she takes part - it's something in 7/8 played by strings - so I assume that's her theme music from her original series or something?
I've never ranked a film from 1 to 10, but if I may, it's a 1. :sad: My cousin didn't like it either, and he is into those movies, so there goes some precious $11.
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I put Spoilers in the thread's title for those who wish to discuss Batman v Superman in detail.
The reception for this movie is just so damned odd. I know people I trust with their tastes in movies who walked out of this enjoying the film, but the critics hate it. I'm checking this out Saturday and I'll give my thoughts.
But the fact the first movie in history with Batman and Superman together on the big screen is being bashed really sucks for me :censored :-[
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I've been paying attention to the reviews, and the basic complaint seems to be in the story itself. People, generally, agree that Batman is awesome. Wonder Woman is awesome. Superman is pretty cool. But how the movie is constructed, how things play into each other is just a jumbled mess.
Luckily, most fans of these kinds of movies don't really need solid coherent stories, they want to see their sueprheroes do cool things, so I assume that's why fans like it but critics didn't. It delivers on cool stuff but lacks coherency and good storytelling.
This is just what I've gathered. I'll try to see it in a week or so.
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I just saw it tonight.
While there is plenty of stuff that I would have changed, there is so much about it I do enjoy.
The tone was what I was hoping for, almost all of the cast was fantastic, it's genuinely suspenseful.
For the downside, the direction felt wonky a lot of the time with a lot of parts that will make you second guess what is going on. There's other stuff that bothers me as well, but since it's opening worldwide (technically) today, I'll refrain from going further until people get a chance to see it.
I think one of the biggest complaints is essentially, this is not the Christopher Nolan Batman that the average person loves today and wants to have forever. It follows suit of the latter day Batman comics and gets even darker (if that was possible). Since Most people who enjoy superhero movies in adulthood mainly stick to the Tim Burton's Batman series and forward on, not as mnay paid that much attention to the comics that were goin on as well, which is greatly shown in this film. So people will have a bit of a culture clash.
Essentially, if you had any inkling to go see it, just go see it. Maybe not this weekend, got on a cheap tuesday afternoon or something if you are that weary of it. But I saw the second showing of it here in Minnesota tonight and I enjoyed it a great deal.
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If I had to compare it to something, I would say it reminded me a lot of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, but better. The main problem of the film is definitely being unfocused and having way too many things going on. There was a lot of jumping between stories and characters when they should have focused it more on the main conflict, which (spoilers) is an 8 minute fight towards the end. Definitely felt similar to TASM2 where there wasn't really a plot so much as different things happening. Bruce is doing his thing investigating criminals which leads him to Lex, Clark is doing his thing with the moral dilemma of whether Superman should answer to anyone or not, Lex Luthor is doing his thing with experimenting with Kryptonian things, as well as wanting Batman and Superman to fight, and then you have a lot of scenes dedicated to Lois and the newspaper crew, setting up Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg.
Unlike TASM2 it has good parts though. The Batman stuff was all really good. The portrayal, the costume, Alfred, the batman cave, the gadgets, the CAR. Everything involving Batman was pretty much perfect. It's just a shame that the movie as a whole was a bit of a mess.
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I wasn't planning on seeing this movie, just because I'm not the biggest fan of Zack Snyder, but its reviews have been so strangely bad that now I want to see it. I have no good reasons to believe this, but I feel like it's getting an unfairly bad rap.
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I wasn't planning on seeing this movie, just because I'm not the biggest fan of Zack Snyder, but its reviews have been so strangely bad that now I want to see it. I have no good reasons to believe this, but I feel like it's getting an unfairly bad rap.
There are good things in this film, mainly Batman and everything involving him. Wonder Woman was pretty good too. The main problem is that similar to TASM2 or Fantastic Four (though not AS extreme), it doesn't feel quite like a finished (or polished) movie. Snyder said that he took his 3 hour directors cut and trimmed it down to 2 ½ hours, and it definitely shows.
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I wasn't planning on seeing this movie, just because I'm not the biggest fan of Zack Snyder, but its reviews have been so strangely bad that now I want to see it. I have no good reasons to believe this, but I feel like it's getting an unfairly bad rap.
There are good things in this film, mainly Batman and everything involving him. Wonder Woman was pretty good too. The main problem is that similar to TASM2 or Fantastic Four (though not AS extreme), it doesn't feel quite like a finished (or polished) movie. Snyder said that he took his 3 hour directors cut and trimmed it down to 2 ½ hours, and it definitely shows.
I'll wait for the director's cut in that case.
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I agree that I'm going to wait for the director's cut. It sounds like the same issue with The Battle of Five Armies. The extended edition greatly improved the film. Hopefully the same happens with BvS.
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Definitely felt similar to TASM2 where there wasn't really a plot so much as different things happening.
It's just a shame that the movie as a whole was a bit of a mess.
These two comments echo what a coworker told me who saw it last night. She is the biggest Batman freak I know, and has REALLY been looking forward to it. She said there are good parts, but they aren't woven together very well. She said the editing and pacing are pretty bad, which is a shame, since there is obviously good bits to work with.
But I wouldn't wait for a "director's cut". This release is the director's cut, as was the theatrical release of Battle of the Five Armies. Any other cuts are just other cuts, they aren't the "director's cut" or the "official cut". The only time that the phrase "director's cut" means anything is if the studio forced cuts on the director for the theatrical release - if the theatrical release is not what the director actually intended to be as the REAL version of the film. That isn't the case with this film or with any of Peter Jackson's films.
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I think the problem is that a lot of the plot threads were unnecessary or handled poorly. I have some ideas of how they could have fixed it, but I'll hold off until more people have seen the film, so it's more OK to spoil it.
But without spoiling exactly how it happens, the way they introduced the other Justice League members was really weird. Had a similar vibe to the scene in TASM2 where the one guy walks past the Doctor Octopus arms, the Vulture wings etc. Small details like that could have been done better. You'll see how they did it when you see the film.
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Definitely felt similar to TASM2 where there wasn't really a plot so much as different things happening.
It's just a shame that the movie as a whole was a bit of a mess.
These two comments echo what a coworker told me who saw it last night. She is the biggest Batman freak I know, and has REALLY been looking forward to it. She said there are good parts, but they aren't woven together very well. She said the editing and pacing are pretty bad, which is a shame, since there is obviously good bits to work with.
But I wouldn't wait for a "director's cut". This release is the director's cut, as was the theatrical release of Battle of the Five Armies. Any other cuts are just other cuts, they aren't the "director's cut" or the "official cut". The only time that the phrase "director's cut" means anything is if the studio forced cuts on the director for the theatrical release - if the theatrical release is not what the director actually intended to be as the REAL version of the film. That isn't the case with this film or with any of Peter Jackson's films.
Perhaps director's preferred cut is a better description. A director may be perfectly willing to edit a film shorter for theatrical release without the studio having to force it on them, but that doesn't mean it's the story they want to tell.
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Ben Affleck reacting to BvS reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXfv25xJUw
Best video I've seen on the Internet in a while :lol
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Holy shit that was funny.
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Ben Affleck reacting to BvS reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXfv25xJUw
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Great video! I had more fun watching that 1 minute than any part of the movie. It reminded me of some scenes of Arrested Development.
I had more fun watching that video than any part of the movie. :P
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Perhaps director's preferred cut is a better description. A director may be perfectly willing to edit a film shorter for theatrical release without the studio having to force it on them, but that doesn't mean it's the story they want to tell.
I still don't think that's accurate. I know it's not accurate from Peter Jackson's perspective, because I've seen him talk about it. The Extended Versions are just alternate versions, where he adds in some things that were cut for legitimate reasons.
It's not a preferred cut, it's just a different cut.
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But I wouldn't wait for a "director's cut". This release is the director's cut, as was the theatrical release of Battle of the Five Armies. Any other cuts are just other cuts, they aren't the "director's cut" or the "official cut". The only time that the phrase "director's cut" means anything is if the studio forced cuts on the director for the theatrical release - if the theatrical release is not what the director actually intended to be as the REAL version of the film. That isn't the case with this film or with any of Peter Jackson's films.
Hef, I understand that you may not like that phrase and may not personally feel that it is accurate. But it is a term of art that has a specific meaning, and the way it is being used by others in this thread is (or at least, had become) the correct one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director%27s_cut A theatrical release that has been cut down to fit time constraints is, by definition, NOT a "director's cut" as that term is commonly used. An extended version released after the theatrical release that has the deleted scenes re-inserted usually is, by definition, a "director's cut." Heck, Snyder himself is even referring to the extended version as the "director's cut," so I'm not sure why there is even any debate as to whether that is the correct term. https://collider.com/batman-v-superman-deleted-scenes-directors-cut/
That said, I have no affirmative plans either to see or not see this, so I'm still not sure whether I will see this in theaters or see the director's cut. :corn
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If something has been cut out of a film because it doesn't fit, disrupts the narrative flow, whatever, then yeah that's just a normal editing decision. You might see it as a deleted scene, but you wouldn't normally see it put back into the movie for an extended edition. But in most cases these days where longer versions are quickly released on DVD, most cut material was purely for time reasons, because sitting in a cinema for hours is exhausting for audiences, whereas home video can be watched in stages.
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I'm pretty sure Peter Jackson has stated that the extended editions of the films are his true vision. There are many things to consider when editing a film including time which forces certain scenes to be cut.
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Also sometimes director's cuts can be worse than the final product. Sometimes it actually helps to have other people get involved and make some changes. (Like Star Wars for example)
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Hef, I understand that you may not like that phrase and may not personally feel that it is accurate. But it is a term of art that has a specific meaning, and the way it is being used by others in this thread is (or at least, had become) the correct one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director%27s_cut A theatrical release that has been cut down to fit time constraints is, by definition, NOT a "director's cut" as that term is commonly used. An extended version released after the theatrical release that has the deleted scenes re-inserted usually is, by definition, a "director's cut."
bosky, did you actually read the article you linked to?
Traditionally, the "director's cut" is not, by definition, the director's ideal or preferred cut.
Alien: The Director's Cut, for example, is simply a misuse of the phrase. As Ridley Scott explains in the DVD insert, the 2003 cut of Alien was created at the request of 20th Century Fox, who wanted to re-release Alien in a form that was somehow altered or enhanced. Scott agreed, and settled on making an alternative cut of the film. He describes it simply as a second version that he is also satisfied with, even though the original released cut is still his preferred version.
When it was discovered that the market for alternative versions of films was substantial, the studios themselves began to promote "director's cuts" for a wide array of films, even some where the director already had final cut of the theatrical release. These were usually assembled with the addition of deleted scenes, sometimes adding as much as a half-hour to the length of the film without regard to pacing and storytelling. Such "commercial" director's cuts are seldom considered superior to the original film and in many cases, fans think the films are diminished by the director's own ego or the studios' desire for revenue.
A related concept to the "Director's Cut" is that of an extended or special edition. An example is Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit trilogies. While Jackson considers the theatrical releases of those six films to be a final "director's cut" within the constraints of theatrical exhibition, the extended cuts were produced so that fans of the material could see nearly all of the scenes shot for the script to develop more of J. R. R. Tolkien's world, but which were originally cut for running time, or other reasons. New music and special effects were also added to the cuts.
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Yes, I did read it. As most relevant:
Director's cuts of film are not generally released to the public: with most film studios the director does not have a final cut privilege. The studio (whose investment is at risk) can insist on changes that they think will make the film profit more at the box office. This sometimes means a happier ending or less ambiguity, or excluding scenes that would earn a more audience-restricting rating, but more often means that the film is simply shortened to provide more screenings per day. The most common form of director's cut is therefore to have extra scenes added, often making the director's cut considerably longer than the final cut.
And, yes, while there are definitely examples of extended versions that are NOT a "director's cut," there are also extended versions that are. It depends on context, as that article clearly points out. And as relevant to the film we are discussing here:
Warner Bros. announced a few weeks ago that an extended, R-rated cut of the film will be getting the Blu-ray treatment later this year, with director Zack Snyder going so far as to refer to that version of the film as his “director’s cut.”
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I see that it refers to him saying that, but I haven't seen an actual quote from him saying that. Maybe he did say that, perhaps using it offhand because it's a "known term".
Regardless, that is certainly not how it's being marketed. He is calling it an Ultimate Cut (whatever that means).
The thrust of my argument is that extended/special editions are not equivalent with director's cuts. Even if they are actually assembled by the directors.
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True, but I think it is more accurate to say that extended/special editions are not automatically equivalent with director's cuts, but they often (but certainly not always) are director's cuts.
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Perhaps.
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These two comments echo what a coworker told me who saw it last night. She is the biggest Batman freak I know, and has REALLY been looking forward to it. She said there are good parts, but they aren't woven together very well. She said the editing and pacing are pretty bad, which is a shame, since there is obviously good bits to work with.
A perfect description of the movie, imo.
There's some things that happen in the movie that makes no sense. Why does Lois Lane throw the spear into the water, just to go look for it again in 5 minutes? Why does Superman (he of the x-ray vision and super speed) doesn't go look for his mother and goes along with Luthor's plan? Moreover, why doesn't he go "Yo Bruce, Luthor has my mom he's tricking us into fighting"as soon as he landed instead of him just walking into traps and getting mad because of that?
And not even get me started on that so cringeworthy "HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT NAME" complete with the unnecessary flashback to the beginning of the movie! You're fucking Bruce Wayne! A quick Google search will come up with your parents name! :lol
There are a few things Snyder did with flashbacks that just seemed like he was padding screentime.
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Wife and kids are out of town, so depending on what time I finish some other commitments, I might end up seeing this. But if I go to the movies, I think I will probably actually see Deadpool instead, since I know I will more likely see this with the kids at some point.
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.............and Deadpool is not for the kids lol for sure
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Exactly. The other major factor is, if I go, it will likely be spur-of-the-moment, and I'm not sure I could get tickets for this one at the last minute.
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I JUST GOT BACK FROM BATMAN V SUPERMAN
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Brief initial thoughts.
• Really exciting.
• Much more memorable and effective score. Especially when WW is on screen.
• Ending is not so ridiculous and dragged out.
• I enjoyed it a lot more than I expected
• Far better than the trailers make out.
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The more I see the Sad Affleck video, the more I feel bad for the guy.
He's idolized Batman since he was young and wanted to play the role since forever. The guy even built his own batcave! His kids look up to him for playing Batman, and I read that his young son thought the UPS/Fed Ex guy was the Joker because of a purple outfit he wore, and that Ben Affleck paid the guy to pretend to fight outside in the yard (Affleck dressed as Batman) making it look like Batman fighting the Joker. I don't know, things like that really warms my heart and makes me feel bad for the guy.
On the plus side, I haven't seen anyone criticize Affleck and even the haters of the film liked him. I just hope the movie doesn't tank completely. It has to make 800 million dollars to break even. Let's hope it makes at least a billion, maybe 1.3, and I think WB might still take action regarding Snyder/Justice League because of the reviews. I just hope we get a standalone Batman movie directed by Affleck.
Also, I didn't think BvS was bad. I actually liked it more than Man of Steel, but I liked it similar to how I liked Raimi's Spider-Man 3, where I have to add a "I liked it.. but.." at the end. There are problems and some of them are rather obvious and hard to look past, but there is good stuff in the movie.
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I think it's doing fine so far:
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/news/a788216/batman-v-superman-sells-a-massive-27-million-in-first-day-ticket-sales-sorry-avengers/
It's also rated a fair bit higher than Man of Steel on IMDB, 7.8 currently which is a perfectly respectable rating. As is so often the case, I think it's mainly just the critics being particularly vocal.
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I think the problem is also expectations. People expected this to be on par with Avengers, and as it turns out, it's a good (but not great) movie that unfortunately won't be remembered as one of the standouts in the genre.
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I REALLY like the moment Batman was about to spear Superman and Superman goes " save.....martha....." :'( :'( :'(
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Batman's reaction in that scene was so bad. "HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT NAME" uh... because you're Bruce fucking Wayne and a simple google search would tell him who you're parents were?
And also: "oh our mom's share names? best buds!"
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There's more to it than that :p
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Obviously, but it really didn't seem that way how it was shot. I totally blame that on how it was shot and not they're acting.
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I just hope the movie doesn't tank completely. It has to make 800 million dollars to break even. Let's hope it makes at least a billion, maybe 1.3, and I think WB might still take action regarding Snyder/Justice League because of the reviews. I just hope we get a standalone Batman movie directed by Affleck.
Well, if it doesn't tank, they probably won't get rid of Snyder.
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The more I see the Sad Affleck video, the more I feel bad for the guy.
He's idolized Batman since he was young and wanted to play the role since forever. The guy even built his own batcave! His kids look up to him for playing Batman, and I read that his young son thought the UPS/Fed Ex guy was the Joker because of a purple outfit he wore, and that Ben Affleck paid the guy to pretend to fight outside in the yard (Affleck dressed as Batman) making it look like Batman fighting the Joker. I don't know, things like that really warms my heart and makes me feel bad for the guy.
On the plus side, I haven't seen anyone criticize Affleck and even the haters of the film liked him. I just hope the movie doesn't tank completely. It has to make 800 million dollars to break even. Let's hope it makes at least a billion, maybe 1.3, and I think WB might still take action regarding Snyder/Justice League because of the reviews. I just hope we get a standalone Batman movie directed by Affleck.
Also, I didn't think BvS was bad. I actually liked it more than Man of Steel, but I liked it similar to how I liked Raimi's Spider-Man 3, where I have to add a "I liked it.. but.." at the end. There are problems and some of them are rather obvious and hard to look past, but there is good stuff in the movie.
I'm going to guess that they will let the money talk. If it tanks, Snyder's probably gone. If it does super well, then the criticism will fall on deaf ears and they will just try to duplicate what they assume people liked about the movie. Namely, more action, more characters, more dark.
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It's also rated a fair bit higher than Man of Steel on IMDB, 7.8 currently which is a perfectly respectable rating. As is so often the case, I think it's mainly just the critics being particularly vocal.
I wouldn't trust IMDB ratings for these kind of movies (with a huge hype behind). Too much fanboys giving 10s without even seeing it (notice the rating distribution).
But, a 7,8 (7,6 now) so early it's pretty low for a movie of this magnitude. For comparison, Force Awakens, which was well liked, started in the 9 range and it's currently sitting at 8,4.
And the rating for BvS keeps falling... it may even end sitting at 6 after some months.
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When they showed the picture of Wonder Woman from centuries ago - the guy on her right ( our left ) looked exactly like Chris Pine.
Edit : turns out it is.
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ALSO
Do not go see this in 3D. It's such a dark palette throughout already that the 3D glasses make it really hard to watch.
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Do not go see this in 3D. It's such a dark palette throughout already that the 3D glasses make it really hard to watch.
Yeah, you're right. We went to the cinema at the 22:30 screening, assuming it wouldn't be 3D, and subtitled instead of dubbed (since the cinemas here leave the dubbed films to earlier screenings for the younger kids, and the subtitled screenings for older audiences).
Turns out, it was 3D and dubbed :P. On the plus side, being dubbed, I didn't have to put the 3D glasses on, and that to me is great (because I usually wear glasses, and two pairs of glasses on one nose can be painful...).
Yeah, I agree with you in general about 3D - most movies I've seen in 3D are mostly dark and fast, so the glasses make the experience harder to watch.
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So finally saw this last night. I liked it, and thought it was really cool.
It obviously has issues, the biggest one being that it is a bit of a mess. Both narratively and sometimes literally because there's just so much stuff happening at once so fast that it's just like watching flashes of color.
Now, I've wanted to see Doomsday in a movie for sooo long. I don't know why, but I've always thought Doomsday to be the coolest villain ever. So I am a bit disappointed that they didn't really treat that thing with enough respect. I mean, he was cool, and they included the whole "getting stronger when hurt" thing that's sort of lore accurate, which made him a threatening monster. So I guess it's not really what he did on screen that bothered me (although, laser shooting face? come on..), just that they introduced him as "just a monster that happens to be really powerful" when it should have been "this thing has wreaked havoc across the universe for thousands of years and it coming here is really really really bad news".
They tried, but didn't quite make it as cool or "relevant" as I would have liked my favorite Superman villain to be.
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The BvS-part of BvS lived up to the hype though, what a great fight. And I was so happy that they didn't chicken out and ended it with a draw.
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Yeah that was a really cool fight. The best action scene in the movie though was Batman taking down that warehouse where they held Martha. It felt really raw, and I'll take that type of "grounded" action over city-wide super mega into space sci-fi battles any day.
Also, probably the best scene in the movie was when Superman appeared for the hearing. That was some properly done tension, and they played out everything about that perfectly.
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What was Helen Hunt looking at when she turned that jar around and it said something like " Peach Tea " ?
I didn't get that bit ?
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What was Helen Hunt looking at when she turned that jar around and it said something like " Peach Tea " ?
I didn't get that bit ?
In an earlier scene when she talked to Lex she called him out for talking about using the kryptonite as a safety when in reality he wanted to kill Superman, and she made a reference that he could piss in a jar and call it peach tea but it wouldn't make any difference. (Or something like that)
So yeah, there is a jar of piss-scene in the movie that happens
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And it was great.
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Probably the best DC movie in a long time.
Definitely the best version we'll ever see of The Death of Superman arc, even though Doomsday looked awful. So I imagine Supes really won't come back probably until the tail end of the first part of the Justice League movie? How did Lex figure out who Superman was? And same with Clark about Bruce?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y8iRvQdSGA&ebc=ANyPxKp1LzqvAD-Th7Z8F9-1gvGUYQIf8dVQeRTmVPYE_5agUv-d7kNb1Y8UfcasqdOTl-9XJqQUNktfD-fMvXMlU95IZILKqw
This is pretty cool.
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Did you notice Wrath of Khan ending? Hero kills himself to save everyone. Amazing grace over funeral scene. Cut to credits on coffin shot.
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You should see the whole interview with Jimmy Kimmel from where that is from. So damn funny.
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What was Helen Hunt looking at when she turned that jar around and it said something like " Peach Tea " ?
I didn't get that bit ?
She is not Helen Hunt, she is Holly Hunter. But yeah, that bit I also was confused about. Thanks, Zantera!
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How did Lex figure out who Superman was? And same with Clark about Bruce?
I've been wondering this too. When I watched it I just sort of bought it, but my guess is that those things are among the 30 minutes of material that was cut from the movie. Maybe it'll be included and explained in the extended blu-ray version.
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With Clark knowing who Bruce was, he overheard him at the Luthor party and even followed him when Bruce did his shenanigans to hack the database. So I guess it wasn't that hard to figure out he was Batman after hearing his conversation with Alfred.
With Lex knowing who Superman was, I assume he used his intellect and money to do a lot of research. Apart from the obvious that Clark Kent just happens to look like the most recognizable man on earth, and Superman showing up everywhere Lois Lane was in danger (like in the setup in the opening scene in Africa).
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Haha. My bro hated it and he LOVED Man Of Steel.
He basically spelled out everything in the film that didn't make any sense at all . I didn't pay that much attention. I just watched it.
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I liked it more than MoS (mainly because this had Batman and MoS didn't), but there were still issues hard to overlook even if you were trying. It has that TASM2 problem of not really having a plot. The movie has several different plotlines (Clark dealing with the aftermath of MoS, Batman investigating criminals leading him to Lex, Lex experimenting and creating Doomsday, Perry White trying to write articles and Wonder Woman flying to Turkey) but if I were to ask someone to tell me the plot of the film, it's almost impossible to sum it up. They could easily have avoided that by tightening up the script, making it more a good flowing story, but they didn't.
The center of the movie really should have been Batman VS Superman but that was such a small part of the film. They should have made the fight a clashing of ideologies. Batman has a beef with Superman because he destroys half of Metropolis/Smallville and is partially responsible for thousands of people dying. Superman has a problem with Batman because he is basically a vigilante who takes the law in his own hands and uses brutality as punishment. The movie should have had 2 fights - the first when Superman stops Batman in the car. Batman is not prepared and gets his ass handed to him. Second fight - the one we got, where Batman IS prepared and knows what he is doing. But their motivation for fighting each other takes the back seat for most of the movie, and then the only reason they fight each other is because Lex blows up a courthouse and Lex kidnaps Superman's mother. It should have been based entirely on the characters ideologies and not an outside force (Lex) tricking them into fighting each other.
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Half In The Bag review Dawn Of Justice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGsrMaxx8N4
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https://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/batman-v-superman-box-office-2-1201739996/
Brings in $424 Million globally
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Half In The Bag review Dawn Of Justice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGsrMaxx8N4
Rich's audio in the theater was great.
https://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/batman-v-superman-box-office-2-1201739996/
Brings in $424 Million globally
I fear this means Snyder gets to make more movies.
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I'm fine with that. The only thing I feel he needs to change is just to calm down a little. Just becuase all the action isn't happening at lightspeed and all at once doesn't mean it's not exciting. Other than that I'm fine with what he's done for the DCU.
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Just got back...
Kill me
I don't even know what to say or where to begin. I will start of with what I liked i guess, which was Ben Affleck as batman. Really enjoyed him and felt it was a decent performance.
What I didn't like was pretty much everything else. The story was a mess, jammed packed with too many characters, and it was all over the place. It was WAY too long. The two and a half hour run time didn't do it any favor. Nothing made sense, And for the love of fucking god, Jessie Eisenberg... doing something so absolutely absurd, I have trouble describing it in words. Whoever allowed that to get on screen needs a slap in the face. And I honestly really like Jesse Eisenberg as an actor, but that in no way shape or form was Lex Luthor. It was a wild swing for the fences and missed the ball by a mile.
I really liked Man of Steel, but wasn't feelin this one.
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I take it that Eisenberg's looks/hair/personality/delivery combo clashed in the movie as badly as they did in the trailers?
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I thought the movie was trash in almost every conceivable way, but I predicted I'd feel that way going in and watched it nearly exclusively to see Batman, and in that regard, it was pretty awesome. Really, really loved watching Batfleck on screen and enjoyed any time he was on the screen. That is literally it, anything else in the movie either annoyed me, bored me, or borenoyed me. A spectacular new emotion created by this movie in which you simultaneously yawn and become frustrated all at once. I really hope this form of the series ends here but I know it won't and the Batman fan inside me is sad about that. Like other people have said, there is a massive problem with the way this movie is shot and the way it tells its story. Action scenes were cool, but even then were at some points marred by the way they were set up and shot. The story and the way they use the characters (for the most part) is the other huge issue that made me flinch to leave the theater.
On the other hand, I would absolutely love and hope to see a full-fledge Batman film with Affleck that has distanced itself light years away from Snyder. While I didn't love MoS, I thought that it was miles better than this. Funny enough, I think I would have actually loved the film if the direction was a bit more restrained and constructed, and they took out every single character except Batman and Superman. Fuck everyone else. It would have been such a great superhero flick if they focused on the turmoil and tension of Batman and Superman; instead we got a steroid-pumped, mindless, bullshit filled "team up". I'm just not even going to get started on the antagonist, who I cannot name or talk about because I'll have an aneurysm.
It's on the comic book side but will absolutely without a doubt affect the movie end at some point in time, and is quite frankly so ridiculous that it needs to be talked about anyway... Did anyone else see the news from Wondercon that they have the incredibly amazing, brilliant idea to reveal The Joker's name and past? So pretty much all the awesome mystery about his past, the lies, manipulation and deceit that have almost exclusively formed his character's personality will be no doubt be explained in painfully, excruciating and overboard detail. That...that...I...*sigh*
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I take it that Eisenberg's looks/hair/personality/delivery combo clashed in the movie as badly as they did in the trailers?
Yes, maybe even worse. Like they pointed out on Half in the Bag, he really is playing the Joker and not Lex Luthor.
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I saw the movie and I can completely agree with pretty much all the criticisms written out there. I understand how the critics completely blasted this movie. However, like Man of Steel, I really enjoyed it even with all the problems it has. Definitely the pacing is very wonky, the story telling is all over the place and several things are shoe horned in and the movie really shouldn't have been a Justice league setup with such rapid succession. The half in the bag review nails pretty much all the problems it had and yet honestly I can overlook several of the issue and still find it enjoyable. I'm not a huge comic book reader, haven't read any comics in forever but was aware of the doomsday comic issue. Having not watched the trailers I was surprised by it's inclusion.
I am curious how the DC universe unfolds and how all the characters tie-in together.
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I actually didn't HATE the movie. But i didn't really flat out enjoy it.
I watched it and wasn't bored or annoyed or amused by its messiness.
My bro and I agree the MOS recap was great and everything from doomsday on was terrible.
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I'm not a huge comic book reader, haven't read any comics in forever but was aware of the doomsday comic issue. Having not watched the trailers I was surprised by it's inclusion.
Lucky you. I didn't watch any trailers either but I still got Doomsday spoiled for me. Which means that I basically got the death of Superman spoiled for me. Pisses me off.
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*SPOILER*
How do you think they'll explain Superman's resurrection ? He was buried in a grave - There's no sunlight down there. . .
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He wasn't resurrected by sunlight when Doomsday killed him in the comics.
From interviews I've read with Snyder, he has no idea yet how they will do it. Which doesn't surprise me.
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:rollin haha !!
I'm sure he'll think of something "cool".... ::)
That whole ending just made me think of The Wrath Of Khan.
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He can continue his Jesus references with having Superman being resurrected after 3 days.
I don't know a lot about the comics/deep lore of Superman, but I know there are different kinds of Kryptonite that has different effects, is there one with healing/resurrecting powers? My first thought while watching the film when Lois was at the grave was that the wedding ring was made of white kryptonite and that it would resurrect him somehow. As stupid as that sounds, it wouldn't be the first time there's a deus ex machina like that.
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I'm guessing it'll be similar to the comics in that someone will unearth his body and it will be healed by the sun or some other more nonsensical method.
Or maybe he'll just burst out of the ground, screaming "I SMELL BACON!", which is my personal go-to choice.
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Well at the end of BVS you see the dirt around the coffin beginning to rise.
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They'll call Gabriel and some other 1000 voices. That should be enough.
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LOTS OF SPOILERS BELOW:
I too echo a lot of the comments. First, the bad:
Macro issues - BvS storyline was competing against the other storylines as someone (Zantera?) mentioned. (Perry, WW, Justice League, Alexander Luthor resurrecting Zod, Lois diggin into LexCorp evil empire, government oversight)... WAY TOO MUCH GOING ON. Eisenberg.. good acting job, but I didn't dig Luthor Jr. as a sociopath. What a waste of Doomsday. Everything about Lois was unnecessary. Everything about the Daily Planet was unnecessary and stupid.
Micro issues - so many to list, but these were my primary beefs (along with other beefs already listed)
- Why nuke Supe/Doomsday? DD can't fly, so just let Supe's toss him out of the atmosphere. Problem solved.
- Is WW's sword made of Kryptonite? How did it chop DD's hand off?
- Way to send the "Metahuman" details over EMAIL!!! Now Google knows all about it. Totally unnecessary to have that scene revealing them all. The shit that Bruce found was enough to tease it.
- Lois coming to Gotham by helicopter, and everything involving her after that was ludicrous and unnecessary - like she had to fly all the way there for HER to tell Bats that "Martha is his mother"... and that being the reason that Bats cools off is weak.
- Zod's fingerprints give Luthor the proverbial 'keys to the kingdom'? C'mon.
- Unnecessarily throwing in the Lasso of Truth. What was DD going to confess to?
The Good:
Macro - I think it was a good job to setup the reasons why Batman and Superman hate each other. Acting by all was really good. I especially loved Irons as Alfred. He could've been used more.
Micro - final Batman fight scene (loved the gadget that kills the machine guns). Loved how Batman isn't afraid to kill people when necessary. Batmobile was kickass. Action sequences were really good - with only a couple of cringe-worthy moments.
More focus on the BvS arc would've made it better. Lose EVERYTHING with the Daily Planet, virtually everything with Lois, and make Luthor a cerebral criminal rather than a psychotic one, and I'd be much more content.
Overall though, I liked it better than MoS, and I was entertained. 7/10... a very generous 7.
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They'll call Gabriel and some other 1000 voices. That should be enough.
But he can not ressurect peoplr. He can only heal them. ;)
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Nothing in this movie makes any sense at all (https://i6.ifrm.com/14814/47/emo/plinkett_1.png)
1. EVERYTHING.
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I don't know a lot about the comics/deep lore of Superman, but I know there are different kinds of Kryptonite that has different effects, is there one with healing/resurrecting powers? My first thought while watching the film when Lois was at the grave was that the wedding ring was made of white kryptonite and that it would resurrect him somehow. As stupid as that sounds, it wouldn't be the first time there's a deus ex machina like that.
I used to have a love/hate relationship with the various kryptonites.
Green - weakens Kryptonians severely, with continued exposure eventually leading to death. In later versions, could also prove lethal to humans over time (Luthor got cancer from a gem of Kryptonite in a ring that he wore)
Red - weakens/removes powers of Kryptonians
Blue - non-lethal to humans or Kryptonians, but affected Bizarros the same way that green Kryponite affected Kryptonians
White - kills plant life
Gold - caused Kryptonians to lose their powers
Lots of other alloys/combinations/other versions sprang up over the years, so it really got silly. During John Byrne's revamp of Superman following Crisis on Infinite Earths, he reset things so that the only Kryptonite was green, which simplified things and just plain made more sense. Of course, he also made Superman the only surviving Kryptonian, which also made sense.
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Didn't some of them show up in the show Smallville? I feel like I remember red kryptonite showing up.
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Didn't some of them show up in the show Smallville? I feel like I remember red kryptonite showing up.
I never watched that show. A Superman show without Superman? It seems almost as pointless as a Batman show without Batman.
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Didn't some of them show up in the show Smallville? I feel like I remember red kryptonite showing up.
I never watched that show. A Superman show without Superman? It seems almost as pointless as a Batman show without Batman.
Superman without the costume, but still Superman! I watched some episodes here and there back in the day, it used to be on television when I got home after school. There were some cool things in that show, and I remember some classic villains like Doomsday and Brainiac showing up.
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Nothing about that show, from concept to episode descriptions, ever made sense to me.
What sense does it make to have Doomsday and Brainiac show up before there is a Superman?
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I guess, but on the other hand the show ended with him getting the suit in the last episode in a show that had 10 seasons. I remember reading something about Tom Welling (who played Clark Kent) being very much against the idea of wearing the Superman suit, which strikes me as a bit weird if you sign up to play Clark Kent. But it would help explain why he didn't really become Superman until the end of the show.
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Well we've had two superman movies now without superman in...
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We already had 4 boring Christopher Reeve movies with him playing a heroic Superman. Now we need our Superman to have a taste for blood and be overly violent, so that we can have 2 hours of destroying the planet.
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I watched all 10 seasons of Smallville (this was before I knew that TV shows could be good), and yeah there are a few different types of kryptonite in there. And some do different things in that show than what hef said.
On Smallville, red kryptonite doesn't weaken Clark, but it makes him into like a bad boy..?? I don't know, it doesn't make sense. But he puts on a ring of red k once and he becomes a biker and robs a bank.
Also on the show there's black kryptonite, which physically splits him into two Clark's, seperating the kryptonian side from the human side. Which is just retarded because there is no human side to a guy with two kryptonian parents.
I guess, but on the other hand the show ended with him getting the suit in the last episode in a show that had 10 seasons. I remember reading something about Tom Welling (who played Clark Kent) being very much against the idea of wearing the Superman suit, which strikes me as a bit weird if you sign up to play Clark Kent. But it would help explain why he didn't really become Superman until the end of the show.
Also explains why they never actually showed him in the suit. Always sort of in the distance or wierd angles, never a good clear full on view of him in it.
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I was referencing the comics on the various kinds of kryptonite. Doesn't surprise me that there were changes made for TV.
I mean, the whole thing just seemed silly.
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Will they have the black outfit and the mullet that Superman had when he came back to life from the comic books. Oh and no cape.
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Will they have the black outfit and the mullet that Superman had when he came back to life from the comic books. Oh and no cape.
Sounds like Nic Cage would be perfect.
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Will they have the black outfit and the mullet that Superman had when he came back to life from the comic books. Oh and no cape.
Sounds like Nic Cage would be perfect.
He would never be perfect. At least for my tastes.
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Imagine the reactions in the crowd if Nic Cage bursts out of the coffin and Henry Cavill is nowhere to be found
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Imagine the reactions in the crowd if Nic Cage bursts out of the coffin and Henry Cavill is nowhere to be found
Well Jackie would probably become spontaneously pregnant.
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Looks like Loki with a Superman costume :loser:
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If you haven't seen that documentary about the failed Tim Burtonsville Superman movie watch it. It's very interestinteresting.
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Loved B V S. Eisenberg was absolutely fantastic. Agree that this Lex was too much like the Joker, but I don't blame the actor for the script.
Music was incredible as always, A lot of good acting, especially Irons and Affleck. I don't mind so much about what they did to Doomsday, because I've never read the comics and never will.
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I did enjoy the score. WW's theme was exciting and overall much more memorable than Man Of Steel.
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He wasn't resurrected by sunlight when Doomsday killed him in the comics.
From interviews I've read with Snyder, he has no idea yet how they will do it. Which doesn't surprise me.
What are you talking about? They are about to start principle filming for Justice League in two weeks. I'm pretty sure they figured it out :lol
Or rather, whatever Snyder has in his mind. :mehlin
I haven't gotten around to write my full review here yet, but it's basically my thoughts on Man of Steel. An entertaining movie with LOADS of problems. I don't think it's as bad as the critics are painting it to be. However, at this point of the DCEU, it's time for Warner Brothers to boot Snyder. I gave him a second chance to blow me away with my all time favorite superheroes, and he hasn't delivered a cohesive film. I'm working on a big commercial in Burbank this week and I haven't been sleeping well, so ya'll will get my full review soon.
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How much do you guys think we'll see of Superman in JL? I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is no Superman until the very end of Part 1 when he returns and that most of Part 1 focuses on Batman/WW assembling the team and Darkseid (who I assume will be the villain) covering the earth in darkness basically. Unless they resurrect Superman early and make him the bad guy of Part 1 with him turning good at the end to help the team recover in Part 2.
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Found this online.......wow!
Spoilers to follow.
https://nonsensicalramblings.com/think-pieces-unlinked-2/2016/3/25/batman-v-superman-the-theory-of-a-waking-knightmare
March 25, 2016
Batman V Superman: The Theory of a Waking Knightmare
Nathan Lindsey Movies
*SPOILER WARNING*
If you’ve seen Batman v Superman this past weekend then, like me, you most likely had many more questions than answers about the future of the DC Universe. Ever since I saw the early showings Thursday night, something about the Knightmare Sequence was troubling me. I had to see it again, but now I’ve worked out all the flaws in my theory. HERE IS YOUR SECOND SPOILER WARNING.
Let me start off by addressing the criticism that this particular sequence has gotten. I’ve seen many reviews saying that this really felt out of place, and that the Flash’s reveal here seemed shoehorned. Now to the laymen, this might seem the case. Unfortunately, that became a reoccurring theme (that you needed a strong prior index of DC knowledge going in). But have no fear, this sequence was perfectly placed in the movie. Hear me out, and I think you might agree.
In the Knightmare sequence, we see a war-torn environment not too far off from the world we see in such nuclear apocalyptic games such as Fallout New Vegas or settings like the Book of Eli: basically a big desert waste land with deteriorating buildings from what one can only assume is the remainder of Gotham or Metropolis. Right off the bat (pun intended), we see the Omega Symbol. This little tidbit didn’t come as too much of a surprise, because the still image was released before the movie’s debut. However, it comes to play a very important role in this theory. Next we see Batman, who at this point has become a hardened killer (because really what’s the point of a no kill rule when everybody’s already dead) come up to inspect a semi-truck load with who can only be assumed to be the Sons of Batman, or at the least background characters meant to mirror them. There’s a box in the back of the truck which opens up to reveal a glowing green light and the audience thinks “oh okay, it’s kryptonite” right around the time you realize it was all a set up. Cue the Sons of Superman coming in fighting alongside Parademons from Apokolips (oh yes, that is definitely what they are). They basically murder the Sons of Batman and capture Batman. The next part of the sequence is Batman being chained up, Superman personally executing the remaining Sons of Batman, and then murdering the Bat himself.
Cue one of the most important scenes for the Justice League and the foundation of this theory. A rift opens up in time and space in front of him in the Batcave, waking Bruce from the dream (of sorts), and the Flash makes an appearance. “BRUCE!” he screams, halfway through the portal/halfway still in “LISTEN TO ME RIGHT NOW! IT’S LOIS! LOIS LANE! SHE’S THE KEY!”. Then his voice begins to falter. But still yelling he cries, “AM I TOO SOON? TOO SOON. YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT HIM; YOU WERE ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT HIM. FEAR HIM! FEAR HIM AND FIND US YOU HAVE TO FIND US BRUCE!”. Then with a loud crack as suddenly as he appeared, he vanishes into the portal, and Bruce wakes up at his desk for a second time.
Now the viewer is left stunned, not knowing how much of what Bruce just saw was real or a dream. I’m about to explain the theory, but there’s still some other parts of the movie that we need to briefly address. At one point during the Doomsday fight, WonderWoman said “I've killed things from other worlds before”. If you read into Thymescira, the Island of the Amazons, it’s no secret they know all about the Gods of New Genesis (suffice to say for now that this means she’s in the know about a certain someone this theory revolves around). At the end of the movie, Lex Luthor is trying to convey to Batman that something is in motion, and it is already too late for the world. He keeps talking about the announcement of Superman’s death, and how it has reached the other important beings in space now that there is no one left to protect Earth from whatever it is that’s coming. When Cyborg is revealed in this film we see a MotherBox form into his tech, bringing him alive. At this point you probably see where I’m going with this if you know about some iterations of the Justice Leagues formation, particularly in the Animated Films. But, here is the Knightmare Theory in full.
What we saw in Bruce’s Knightmare was NOT a dream sequence that symbolized his internal fear of what Superman will become if left unchecked; rather, Bruce Wayne himself mistakes the sequence for this at the time. What were actually occurring were Bruce’s memories from a parallel timeline collapsing in on themselves, similar to the seizures the Flash experiences in the story Flashpoint. The reason why Superman was fighting alongside Parademons, why we see an omega symbol burned into the earth, and why they showed us a MotherBox in cyborg's sequence was to foreshadow the coming of Darksied. Darksied, for those who don’t follow the comics, is a demi-God ruler of a hellish planet (and I mean that very literally) whose power level frequently goes well above Superman's. His ultimate goal is to control the universe. To accomplish this he seeks out planets with life and invades them with devices called MotherBoxes, technology that among other things allows intergalactic travel instantaneously. He terraforms and/or destroys the planet, steals its resources for himself, captures every living thing, and organically changes it on a molecular scale into monsters called Parademons. Parademons serve and die for him. Then he uses parademons to invade the next planet. He also gains followers who he does not turn into monsters by using an Anti-Life Equation; something that works with a similar property to a magic possession spell, that when exposed to forces you to serve Darksied. If that doesn’t give you an idea of how bad news this guy is, let me just say that the only time the Justice League in comics have ever actually defeated him (instead of just sending him back to where he came from), it ripped apart time and space while collapsing reality in an event called Final Crisis.
The coming of Darksied was actually what Bruce was seeing in the Knightmare sequence. The reason Superman was acting the way he was is because Darksied sees the Man of Steel as too strong of an asset to simply kill. Rather, he wants to use the Anti-Life equation to force Superman to work for him. This is what has happened in the Knightmare sequence. Superman has either by choice or by force been made to work for Darksied. When the Flash appears to Bruce, he is not warning Bruce about an out of control Superman; he is warning him about Darksied. He says Lois Lane is the key, which she hardly was in this movie, and that Bruce should “fear him”. One of the most critical pieces of evidence for this theory we receive is Flash asks if he’s “too soon”. He was. The death of Superman had not happened yet so Bruce would not understand the coming of Darksied. He mistakes it for Superman trying to rule earth. This is why at the end of the movie, Bruce explains to Diana (Wonderwoman) that he still wants to find the other Heroes, even if they’re not ready to be found. He states “has a feeling” that something else is still coming. Nice feeling Bruce, Flash screamed it at you.
Everything Lex Luthor says at the end of the movie correlates with this theory as well. Lex knows all too well about Darksied. This is why he was practically crying when he was talking to Batman about it. Lex had seen the data from the universe on the Kryptonion ship’s database, and had asked the computer to teach him about it. Lex goes on and on at the end about how news of the death of Superman had already been spread further than earth. He even says, “He’s hungry. He's coming. He's found us.” when he is warning Batman about what’s out there. Cyborg's scene showed that Motherboxes are already on earth and are operational. The symbolism of the painting in Lex Luthor’s home about the devils coming from the sky is not completely about Superman. It’s about Darksied’s invaders and lieutenants. When Lex realized he would not be able to control Doomsday, he had lost faith that humanity has any angels from the ground to fight for them.
So whenever I hear people criticizing the Knightmare sequence for seemingly being out of place, or the best one I’ve heard is it looks like an after credits scene, I agree with them. It’s like that on purpose. It’s why Flash was pointing out that he was too soon. The reason Bruce has his parallel memories collapse in on him at such a weird time is because of the Flash appearing to him at the wrong time. Flash was “too soon” and so were the memories. Fear not though Junior Justice Members, the Batman seems to be on the case by the end of the movie. Wonderwoman is right behind him which is good, because our favorite heroes are going to need all the help they can get for what’s coming.
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Those dreams were my favourite sequences.
When all those flying people showed up and the twin helicopters appeared i thought it looked almost exactly like some fever dreams i've had. Really intense.
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That's a really good write up and certainly gives justification for several scenes. But for a standalone movie it unfortunately doesn't work. Not that I care since I enjoyed the movie, warts and all. But good info nonetheless, thanks for sharing.
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That probably IS what those scenes represent, AFAIK. However, the reason that it has been criticized as being "out of place" is because the film apparently doesn't explain them in any way.
Details or easter eggs can be explained by off-screen theories/explanations, but major plot points on screen should have some basis of explanation, even if only hinted, on screen.
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That probably IS what those scenes represent, AFAIK. However, the reason that it has been criticized as being "out of place" is because the film apparently doesn't explain them in any way.
Details or easter eggs can be explained by off-screen theories/explanations, but major plot points on screen should have some basis of explanation, even if only hinted, on screen.
Yes. As we discussed before about the SW Prequels. I don't care if explanations for such and such are explained in novels or comics. If it's not on-screen then it didn't happen.
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If this theory is correct, there was no one there to explain it on screen (well, other than Lex proclaiming that "he" is coming). Bruce took the vision for a dream and without context, it became more fuel for his beef with Superman.
I think that the next movie will tie all of this together nicely, and that's fine by me.
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The time travel stuff and the extent of The Flash's powers is a fairly confusing thing that unless it's explained really well, will completely baffle 90% of the audience though. I haven't seen the tv-show, but from what I've heard, they deal with that stuff really well there. I think they are gonna face a big challenge in the DCU because his powers are hard to explain in a way that everyone understands them. He doesn't just run fast, he can cross over into other realities and things like that are gonna be hard to explain I think.
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My main gripe when I saw the film was that my only choice was 3D and the film is already so dark and drab that the 3D glasses made it almost impossible to follow.
Noticed virtually zero stereoscopy and had to keep removing glasses to see what was happening...
3D is just a massive scam. They charge you more for a vastly inferior movie going experience.
The only two 3D films i've enjoyed were Prometheus and Avatar. Life of Pi at a push.
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Yeah I'm with you on the 3D part. Sucks putting a pair of goggles on your eyes rather than taking in the screen as it looks, without any filters in between. Unfortunately, as the 3D trend is slowly dying out, James Cameron will soon return with Avatar 2 and it will explode again. THANKS JIM
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If this theory is correct, there was no one there to explain it on screen (well, other than Lex proclaiming that "he" is coming).
That's a problem with the screenplay and the director. The story has to be told in such a way that it makes some kind of sense as to what is going on, even if still leaving some things unanswered.
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News about Suicide Squad possibly having reshoots to make it more fun and lighthearted.
One question... isn't it weird that our heroes are dark, murderous lunatics who doesn't care much at all for the lives of innocent people, and that the bad guys are gonna be the fun and jokey ones? I don't think WB/DC thought this through.
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If that's true, they just ruined the only DC movie I was interested in seeing.
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News about Suicide Squad possibly having reshoots to make it more fun and lighthearted.
One question... isn't it weird that our heroes are dark, murderous lunatics who doesn't care much at all for the lives of innocent people, and that the bad guys are gonna be the fun and jokey ones? I don't think WB/DC thought this true.
Really? It looked pretty humorous as was. Maybe the movie wasn't as fun as the trailers made it seem, but I hope they don't go overboard, because I was super pumped for that movie based on the trailers. (oddly enough, I am least excited for the Joker).
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So, I watched Man of Steel for the first time yesterday and watched Batman V. Superman just now.
So, Man of Steel is pretty bad. In a ton of ways. I think Russel Crow is the only actor trying in it. Michael Shannon seems like he's sleep walking through this, and between this movie and Batman V. Superman, poor Henry Cavil is just not a great actor in this role. You can tell he's trying hard, but just coming off stiff. Anyway, Man of Steel was pretty bad. From the beginning straight out of Avatar/Star Wars prequels, to the plot that made little sense, to the excessive amount of destruction. It also has a really bad narrative structure to it. Ah well.
Batman V. Superman was...okay. Not great, not bad. Entertaining for sure, but overall pretty dumb. I loved Affleck as Batman, and I loved Wonder Woman. I even liked Cavil as Clark, just not as Superman. The plot was pretty awful and just way too all over the place. I think the only parts I thought were clever (although still poorly placed in the film) is the future visions/Flash cameo. My assumption is that Superman comes back essentially as a villain and the first Justice League movie is with Superman as the pawn victim with someone (Darkseid or Lex) pulling his strings, and that the Flash will have to travel through time to fix something, leading to the second Justice League movie where they fight Darkseid directly. It would be a clever idea, though I doubt it will play out like that. However, having Bruce have those visions and then having him wake up after Flash's cameo really didn't make any sense at all.
Over all, I'd place it a bit below Avengers 2.
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I also liked BvS more than Superman. If nothing else, it had Batman and that alone made it better.
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Man of Steel had Zod and no Angry Batman.
BvS had Angry Batman and corpse Zod.
Sort of equals out for me.
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I do not know if anybody has seen this documentary, but it is very good. Well worth a watch. It tells the story of why the Nick Cage superman movie never got made. Called The Death of Superman Lives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOJURqc5vE
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Superman (1978)
Superman II
Superman Returns / Man Of Steel
Superman III
Superman IV
Dawn Of Justice
Iron Man 2
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III & IV better than Dawn Of Justice? Kotowboy, it's time to get a check up.
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III & IV better than Dawn Of Justice? Kotowboy, it's time to get a check up.
At least they had Superman in.
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:lol
That did not help with those films. :lol
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III & IV better than Dawn Of Justice? Kotowboy, it's time to get a check up.
I haven't even seen Dawn of Justice yet, and I know that it's better than those two abortions. And they certainly aren't better than Iron Man 2, or anything else produced by Marvel Studios.
Offhand, I can't think of any real films that I would rank under Superman III or Superman IV. Those things are putrid, and have no redeeming value.
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Freddy Got Fingered.
American Pie 3
Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back
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Maybe Freddy Got Fingered, it's pretty bad. But at least it is its own original awful, not the raping of a well-loved character. That just seems worse to me.
I wouldn't put American Pie 3 or Jay & Silent Bob anywhere near that kind of discussion. They might not be to everyone's tastes, but they aren't just legitimately awful films.
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Maybe Freddy Got Fingered, it's pretty bad. But at least it is its own original awful, not the raping of a well-loved character. That just seems worse to me.
I wouldn't put American Pie 3 or Jay & Silent Bob anywhere near that kind of discussion. They might not be to everyone's tastes, but they aren't just legitimately awful films.
Agree with all of that.
Freddy Got Fingered is hilarious thanks to Rip Torn.
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I didn't even remember he was in it. I have almost succeeded in blotting the film from memory :lol
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I didn't even remember he was in it. I have almost succeeded in blotting the film from memory :lol
Rip Torn's performance deserves repeated viewings.
Tom Green's performance deserves no repeated viewings.
It's quite the paradox.
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Over all, I'd place it a bit below Avengers 2.
I think that's giving too much credit to BvS. I don't think it was anywhere near Avengers 2 in terms of cinematography, directing, acting or plot. Although, I personally found the movie quite entertaining. Not sure if that's because I went in with zero expectations once the reviews started flying, or because it was genuinely entertaining. Personally, I would put it above Man of Steel and about on par with an Ironman 3 (worst of the Ironman movies, BTW).
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Also, I didn't read every post here, but did anyone else catch the little Star Wars reference with Luthor's prison number having TK-421 in it? Cute.
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Also, I didn't read every post here, but did anyone else catch the little Star Wars reference with Luthor's prison number having TK-421 in it? Cute.
I read about it. Snyder is a huge SW fan.
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I read that the Box Office from opening Saturday to opening Sunday was the biggest drop-off for a movie ever.
It's also down 70% from last weekend.
I highly doubt this movie will make $1bn worldwide.
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I read that the Box Office from opening Saturday to opening Sunday was the biggest drop-off for a movie ever.
It's also down 70% from last weekend.
I highly doubt this movie will make $1bn worldwide.
For ANY movie ever? I read it was the biggest drop off for any Batman or Superman movie.
It will probably make a billion, but just barely and slowly.
Though I'm sure the blu-ray and DVD sales will be huge.
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Yep. No better way to make people buy the turd of a movie on DVD than to make it UNCUT !!!!!!
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It's already made its money back in 2 weeks so you know WB is happy.
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It's already made its money back in 2 weeks so you know WB is happy.
Yea, but with movies like this, it's not just enough making their money back. They have to make enough money back to justify future decisions in the franchise. This movie, thus far, hasn't done a good enough job to justify bold decisions or huge movies.
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Reports are saying that it has to make $800m just to break even.
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I'm excited for the R-rated extended version.
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I'm excited for the R-rated extended version.
I can't say I'm excited for it, but I hope it will do something to salvage the awful cut that was released. However, if that one deleted scene released is any indication, I'll be even more confused.
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A headline from Twitter :
" The Joker & Riddler were very nearly in Batman V Superman ! "
one reply :
" It would be nice if Superman was in it... "
:rollin
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Also something I don't get. I thought they did Superman fine. I think Lex Luthor wasn't in the movie. Just some dude with that name slapped on. But Superman? I thought he was fine and I really like Cavill in the role.
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Red Letter Media said Jesse Eisenberg should have been playing The Joker.
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I don't agree. That would most likely have been a really disappointing (and annoying) Joker.
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Red Letter Media said Jesse Eisenberg should have been playing The Joker.
I thought they were saying that he was essentially playing the Joker and not Lex Luthor due to the personality he gave the character.
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Something along those lines.
Gene Hackman was more fun.
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It's already made its money back in 2 weeks so you know WB is happy.
Yea, but with movies like this, it's not just enough making their money back. They have to make enough money back to justify future decisions in the franchise. This movie, thus far, hasn't done a good enough job to justify bold decisions or huge movies.
They have too many movies lined up all ready for them too pull the plug. The machine will move forward.
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Also something I don't get. I thought they did Superman fine. I think Lex Luthor wasn't in the movie. Just some dude with that name slapped on. But Superman? I thought he was fine and I really like Cavill in the role.
Superman seemed........very bland. There was just no character there at all. I thought his very few brief moments as Clark were good. But all Superman did was either get super angry and rage, or kind of stand there with a blank expression.
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The stress of the world is on his shoulders. Most would act that way. At least that's how I looked at it.
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I thought the "she with you?" moment was classic Justice League stuff. Felt like it could have been taken right out of the cartoon I grew up with.
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On Pre-Rec with Rich Evans and Jack Packard - he says that line makes no sense in the movie and it should have been trailer only because Bruce Wayne himself asked her to show up...
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On Pre-Rec with Rich Evans and Jack Packard - he says that line makes no sense in the movie and it should have been trailer only because Bruce Wayne himself asked her to show up...
This is a good point actually. Batman knew exactly who she was and why she was there. Superman never heard of her. So I get Supes asking if she's with Batman, but then Bats should have just said "Yea....that's how I roll"
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Maybe he was just being cheeky. Either way I still like it.
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Instead of having the other JL members show up in an e-mail, they should have just added random cameos at the end with Doomsday. First you have Wonder Woman appearing and the "Is she with you?" -"I thought she was with you". Then you have the Flash appearing and Superman going "what about that guy?" -"no, never seen him". Then Aquaman appearing "or that guy?" -"nope" and finally Cyborg... "what is this, an Avengers movie?"
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I can agree that the e-mail was a very clunky way introduce us to the other JL members.
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Instead of having the other JL members show up in an e-mail, they should have just added random cameos at the end with Doomsday. First you have Wonder Woman appearing and the "Is she with you?" -"I thought she was with you". Then you have the Flash appearing and Superman going "what about that guy?" -"no, never seen him". Then Aquaman appearing "or that guy?" -"nope" and finally Cyborg... "what is this, an Avengers movie?"
lol-worthy... though not sure if :lol or ::)
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Justice League: The Batchelor.
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I am looking forward to the animated movie of the Killing Joke which they are making. Here's a preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueCJWmvyn78&nohtml5=False
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Alrighty guys, I haven't said much about Batman v Superman, but I haven't posted much anyway because of a successful two week long commercial I was working on. That's over with, and I now have a few days to relax before my next production I'll be working on. It seems like I'm going to channel much of the reaction in this forum, which it seems to be "entertaining, but overall not very good."
Batman hates Superman because of what happened in Metropolis in Man of Steel which he saw first hand (and was one of the best moments in the film), and he feels like he has to be stopped. Superman hates Batman because he doesn't like Batman's view on justice, and he feels like he has to be stopped. Their alter egos meeting at Lex's party was great. I loved that Superman figured out who Batman was because he's Superman can hear Alfred in Batman's earpiece. Throw in mystery Gal Gadot, who had the best subplot in the entire movie, you got the beginnings of a great Superhero movie. So what the hell went wrong?
Let me first talk about Zack Snyder, who has directed the first two installments of the DC Universe. Snyder is a brilliant visual artist. He can set up shots like the best of them in business. The scale he brings, and the interesting angles he chooses are just pleasing to the eye. When he comes up with his own storytelling ideas, however, he falls short. Herein lies the biggest problem with Batman v Superman. He has these great ideas to tell a story, but doesn't know how to use them, and we end up with a final product that is everywhere. There's too much going on, and we lose focus on the main plot because we have these subplots that were just expanded too much. If Man of Steel felt like three movies going on at the same time, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice felt like 10 films going on. We didn't need that incident in Africa as a tool to further the tale of the cause and effect of Superman's actions. That was already set up by revisiting the fight with Zod in Metropolis. We didn't need The Daily Planet investigating LexCorp. That takes away from what Lex is doing in the movie (I did not hate Eisenberg BTW. I'll explain further). It all takes away from why Batman and Superman were feuding, which in hindsight was set up well.
With all that going on, it affected the editing, pacing, and overall enjoyment of the film. Less can be more, especially with all the ideas presented.
Ben Affleck is one of the best Batman's ever to hit on the big screen. He is Frank Millers Batman. He is older, grizzled, and he just doesn't care. He plummels the bad guys with brutality. You can see in his eyes that he has had 20 years of experience "of freaks dressed like clowns." That sequence where he goes to rescue Martha Kent is the single best Batman action ever filmed for the big screen. "I believe you." THAT'S STRAIGHT OUTTA THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS! GREAT GEEK MOMENT!
Gal Gadot is my future wife. She's also perfect as Wonder Woman. In fact, she's so great, the only time the audience in my theater ever cheered was when she flew out of no where and saved Batman's ass from Doomsday.
I did not hate Jesse Eisenberg. I just hate how they treated the character, and that's just me wanting to see Lex done right on film. Michael Rosenbaum in Smallville is still the pinnacle Lex Luthor. Anyway, Jesse did the whole psychopath thing well. Too well. So well that he could have been The Riddler. So I didn't hate his performance. I just didn't like they made Lex into a young rich millennial with religious issues. What makes Lex a great character in the comics is that he reminds us that it is hard being human, and how some people have a hard time dealing with certain aspects of life. Superman shows us there is way to overcome.
Which is Snyder's mind is to sacrificing himself, which fits Synder's Jesus Christ illustration of Superman. However, next time we see Superman, it will be in a Justice League movie after being resurrected. Superman is supposed to be the leader of the JL, not Batman. It's concerning to me that Synder set up Cavill to be the leader of the Justice League the way Brian Singer set up James Marsden's Cyclops to be the leader of the X-Men: Broken. It worked for Man of Steel in my opinion, but Batman v Superman should have set up the character to be strong minded. Even with sacrificing himself to defeat Doomsday, which I guess will get the people of Metropolis to love him now, I just can't picture this Superman to be the leader of the original superhero team up.
I wish there was better cameo appearances from the other JL members. Showing them in a computer file seems like a cop out. First of all, The Flash's big cameo appearance should never have been part of a dream. It should have been in real time. The Flash capability to go back in time makes him one of the most important characters in DC. I thought it was cool they dressed him in his Injustice armor. Aquaman should have appeared when Lois Lane decided to head back for the Kryptonite spear, and saved her from drowning. That would have made the fans cheer, not the capture footage of him swimming away. I guess you could have had Cyborg's appearance in a computer file to show his father capturing his experiments trying to Cyborg's life.
The good things about BvS were awesome. The bad things about BvS were bad. Same feelings I had with Man of Steel, but I liked Batman v Superman a little bit more. I am looking forward to Snyder-less DC movies in Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman. I think we're going to see a big difference creatively, and one I think will be better.
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Good points about Snyder's strengths and weaknesses. I haven't seen BVS yet, so can't comment on that, but I can picture exactly what you mean. Man of Steel was fun, but not the strongest in terms of plot and character. Whereas I loved his adaptation of Watchmen because he stuck so closely to the source material (some changes of course, but mostly sensible ones) so the plot was already there, he just needed to get a great visual spectacle and solid performances, which he did.
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Despite the plot holes and the movie being too long I think it was pretty well done, especially the action scenes.
The most disappointing things were not seeing enough of Wonder Woman in action and the cameos by Aquaman and Flash.
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Apart from Dawn of the Dead I'm not a Snyder-fan at all. His movies look alright, but I think the credit to that has to be shared (at least to some extent) with the cinematographer, Larry Fong (who has done most of his movies). I don't think he was a good match for Superman because with both Man of Steel and BvS there's nothing colorful or exciting about Superman, and he looks just as bleak as Batman does. I also don't care for his way of trying to push deep meaning and philosophies into a story that doesn't need it. The jesus references with Superman are filmschool level of "in your face" and there's nothing subtle or clever about it at all. I don't care much about his directing style either, with a lot of shaky cam and a tendency to go way overboard with the CGI in action scenes. The best action scene in BvS was Batman in the warehouse and that was physical combat. Whenever they had a video game cutscene of Superman fighting Doomsday it wasn't nearly as interesting.
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Finally saw BvS last night.
I agree with most of the criticisms that have been said about this movie.
Clark Kent's motivations on hating batman were really thin. On the other hand, Bruce Wayne's motivations were explained really well in the opening sequence. Jesse Eisenberg is a really good actor, but Lex in this movie is a complete missed opportunity.
Editing was a mess. Although i suspect that 30 minutes of cut footage, have something to do with it. I think the movie should have focused more on the conflict of Batman and Superman, and not CNN discussions about Superman/Kryptonians.
I have a lot more negatives for this film, but i'm too lazy to list them all..
Despite all this, i liked it most of the time.
Ben Affleck and Gal Gadot, were really well cast as Bruce Wayne and Diana Prince. And the soundtrack Rocked!
Verdict: 5/10
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The CNN stuff felt like "we gotta make it obvious for the dummies". You have scenes where we see a statue of Superman and then we see it vandalized. We see people protesting for and against Superman, and the setup for people being conflicted on Superman is well done. But then you cut to Neil DeGrasse Tyson spouting dialogue like "Superman might be good but he might also be bad, and people like a good guy but they don't like a bad guy"
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Surprised Neil DeGrasse Tyson hasn't tweeted everything wrong with his scene.
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New Suicide Squad trailer got me all gigitty...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8J2syqmnGU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8J2syqmnGU)
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New Suicide Squad trailer got me all gigitty...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8J2syqmnGU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8J2syqmnGU)
YES! Really didn't care much for BvS, but I am super pumped for this movie.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to that one.
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It looks alright but I can't say I have any major hype over it. Will be cool seeing Batman in it, but overall it's definitely the superhero movie of 2016 I had the least hype for.
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Superhero?
Well, they try to do good...
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Margot looks like she's gonna steal this one. Of the six super-hero movies this year, jingle.son has this as #2 on his list (Deadpool was #1). I'm starting to get more excited about it with each trailer, and it wouldn't surprise me to rank it by the end of the year as one of the top 3.
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Margot looks like she's gonna steal this one.
Totally. If done well, Harley could be an awesome and really entertaining character, and she seems really smooth in the role. They've also made her a less annoying character than the Arkham games version!
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I don't think one of the main characters/actors can really "steal" a movie. She's expected to be great and she most likely will be.
Jai Courtney.... now that's someone who could steal this movie.
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New Suicide Squad trailer got me all gigitty...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8J2syqmnGU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8J2syqmnGU)
YES! Really didn't care much for BvS, but I am super pumped for this movie.
At least it doesn't look as miserable.
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(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/b9a3a82ebf40a738a96db79b0ca4c5f0)
If Margot Robbie ever looked at me this way, my XP points would max out.
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Man, I'd run for the hills, run for my life.....
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I'm at least somewhat excited and interested to see what comes of the movie and how it pans out. But Harley does look like the star. That image right there is just pure Harley Quinn incarnate.
It doesn't hurt that Robbie is just a super sexy lady woman as is. She rocks the edgy punk look pretty well though.
Not gonna act like I'm super excited for anything else though, gotta be blunt...especially hearing about the reshoots and making it lighter/funnier, that really took my excitement down a few notches. But with Harley and The Joker (which I'm really just wanting to see if it falls flat or turns out to be great), it'll at least be interesting to watch hopefully.
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Those comments about the reshoots being to make it funnier or lighter have already been rebuked. It´s just some additional shooting. I for one AM excited.
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Those comments about the reshoots being to make it funnier or lighter have already been rebuked. It´s just some additional shooting.
This.
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Finally made it to the theater to see BvS last night. My thoughts echo a lot of what's already been posted... Batfleck and Alfred are great, there's too much trying to happen in the way of story (and it never all really comes together), and the file intros of the other Justice League members is pretty lame. I didn't dislike Jessie Eisenberg as much as I thought I was going to based on the trailers, and I agree that it's more a problem of how the Lex was written than it is with his performance.
Super excited for Suicide Squad, and I also read an interesting theory that Leto's Joker is actually a fallen Jason Todd. Don't think this will actually end up being the case, but it was an interesting thought. Evidently there are a couple bullet holes in the defaced armor in BvS that match up with what looks like bullet wounds on the Joker. It would also make sense in light of Affleck's line about how nobody stays good, and explain why Wayne Manor was in ruins (if Joker had formerly been Robin, he would know who Batman was and where he lived).
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My big beef was that when I saw Doomsday in the trailers, I knew what was going to happen. They also underused that character.
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Yeah they joked in the Half In The Bag review that the Doomsday fight lasted 10 minutes and that Doomsday was in the film for 11 minutes :lol
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Indeed. Quite a waste of my favorite Superman villain.
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‘Batman v Superman’ Art Reveals That Robin Was Also a Murderous Psychopath (https://www.slashfilm.com/batman-v-superman-robin-weapon/)
Goddammit Zach Snyder
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Isn't that a little to "looking into something too much" syndrome? The internet and people have too much time on their hands.
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Isn't that a little to "looking into something too much" syndrome? The internet and people have too much time on their hands.
Yeah, that entire article seemed to be unfounded assumptions and conjecture to me. But then I haven't even seen the movie yet.
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It's also done with great movies as well. I tend to skip reading these kind of srories.
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Isn't that a little to "looking into something too much" syndrome?
Um, no?
Did you read the article? It's based on official film material. Not sure what can be misinterpreted about his weapon having a huge edged blade on it.
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It's going from it had a sharp edges to Robin was a killer to Batman was a killer I'm talking about.
Even if that was true why do we people ned to have their superheroes black or white? I like flawed characters.
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Flawed characters are fine.
Turning superheroes into brooding moody murderers is quite another.
Not everything has to be dark and miserable. Superman is not a grim killer. He's supposed to stand for truth and Justice or whatever.
In Man Of Steel and Bat V Sup - you have no idea what his motives are or what he even stands for.
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Yet no matter what superhero movie comes out, someone complains it's not their "fill in the blank".
How they represented Superman was not the problem with the movie. It was bland and unfocused.
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And Superman was an emo who never rescued anyone.
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I don't have a problem with dark and miserable. It just has to be done right.
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I don't have a problem with dark and miserable. It just has to be done right.
Bingo.
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It's going from it had a sharp edges to Robin was a killer to Batman was a killer I'm talking about.
Well the only reason to have such a weapon is to kill with it, unlike a blunt weapon such as a quarterstaff/club. It's not exactly a leap. Besides, in the film Batman is DEFINITELY a killer.
Even if that was true why do we people ned to have their superheroes black or white? I like flawed characters.
Yeah, but Robin as a killer isn't a flawed character. It's a flawed writer/director.
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I'm sorry, but we have had almost a decade of Marvel superheros like Iron Man and Captain America killing the bad guys, and suddenly people are losing thier shit because Superman snapped Zod's neck and Batman blew up fake Firefly? C'mon now...
Anyway, awesome news. Green Lantern Corp will reportedly will feature THREE of the Green Lanterns: John Stewart, Hal Jordan, and Kyle Rayner. I personally like Guy Gardner more than Kyle, but this is exciting for sure. I like the idea of having a Corp movie instead of a solo flick. More opportunities to explore the Green Lantern lore
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I'm sorry, but we have had almost a decade of Marvel superheros like Iron Man and Captain America killing the bad guys, and suddenly people are losing thier shit because Superman snapped Zod's neck and Batman blew up fake Firefly? C'mon now...
Because of who they are. Batman's philosophy is not to kill. Superman is a beacon of hope and justice.
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Not in the 90's comic book versions of them.
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I'm super stoked that they're going to try to give Green Lantern another go. Honestly, if they do the exact opposite of what they did with the first film, we'll have a fantastic movie on our hands. :P
Seriously though, it's such a fucking gorgeous comic and has some of my favorite lore and mythos out of any storyline in any comic, regardless of who the artist/writer/publisher is. Really fun world, insanely creative, imaginative powers (well...imagination IS the power soo) and some amazing characters. I hope they give it their all and make something special.
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Not in the 90's comic book versions of them.
I read the comic in the 90's and don't remember any such deviation, king. Not sure what you were reading.
Hell, even in Kingdom Come, the biggest difference amongst Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman was that WW was willing to kill, and the other two weren't.
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Not in the 90's comic book versions of them.
I read the comic in the 90's and don't remember any such deviation, king. Not sure what you were reading.
Hell, even in Kingdom Come, the biggest difference amongst Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman was that WW was willing to kill, and the other two weren't.
So with Frank Miller's Batman in the late 80's he kills Joker. That's just one example.
BTW, where is this that Superman is willing to kill in the last 2 movies. You tell me where he is willing without remorse or inner pain to kill someone. We are not talking good guys. Zod wanted to lay wait to Earth. What was so wrong with that? I have no problem with that.
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I never had a problem with him killing Zod either. And they clearly made a point by showing that he hated doing it, even to the point of manifesting how he felt about it as physical pain with that scream.
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Right. It's obvious that he stresses over everything and that's why fans have tagged him "Emo Superman". :lol
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He also used populated buildings as playthings, throwing Zod through buildings and killing thousands of people in the process. He did all of this without remorse. Sure, you can say it was all Zod's fault, but Supes is 50% to blame for bringing it the way he did.
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I said before and this is my take but he's never been in a full on brawl for his life with a person of his strength and who was trained in battle. He's fighting for his life. Human nature (I know lol) is to not think of your surroundings when your life is on the line.
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I said before and this is my take but he's never been in a full on brawl for his life with a person of his strength and who was trained in battle. He's fighting for his life. Human nature (I know lol) is to not think of your surroundings when your life is on the line.
That's cool. But he still caused the deaths of thousands of innocents without the slightest regard. People just have an issue with that. It's not really directed at Superman himself, but at the writers who were more interested in lots of boom boom and pow pow than they were making authentic characters.
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Not in the 90's comic book versions of them.
I read the comic in the 90's and don't remember any such deviation, king. Not sure what you were reading.
Hell, even in Kingdom Come, the biggest difference amongst Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman was that WW was willing to kill, and the other two weren't.
So with Frank Miller's Batman in the late 80's he kills Joker. That's just one example.
Yes, Frank Miller's Batman, in a story set at the end of his career, FINALLY has Batman killing someone. For the first time since the 1940s. Which shows how out of character it was.
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I never get why it can't change Hef. Why are people so stubborn about it. It's not like he's going all killer on people. Maybe it's just not articulated by a below average director on the pain Superman or Batman feels. IDN, it doesn't bother me much.
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Not in the 90's comic book versions of them.
I read the comic in the 90's and don't remember any such deviation, king. Not sure what you were reading.
Hell, even in Kingdom Come, the biggest difference amongst Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman was that WW was willing to kill, and the other two weren't.
So with Frank Miller's Batman in the late 80's he kills Joker. That's just one example.
Yes, Frank Miller's Batman, in a story set at the end of his career, FINALLY has Batman killing someone. For the first time since the 1940s. Which shows how out of character it was.
Not quite the first time Batman has killed....
https://www.dorkly.com/video/76737/9-times-batman-broke-his-one-rule
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Not in the 90's comic book versions of them.
I read the comic in the 90's and don't remember any such deviation, king. Not sure what you were reading.
Hell, even in Kingdom Come, the biggest difference amongst Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman was that WW was willing to kill, and the other two weren't.
So with Frank Miller's Batman in the late 80's he kills Joker. That's just one example.
Yes, Frank Miller's Batman, in a story set at the end of his career, FINALLY has Batman killing someone. For the first time since the 1940s. Which shows how out of character it was.
Isn't that sort of what they're going for with the current Batman? He's old and grizzled and fed up.
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Is that the best way to introduce the character into this new film universe? By him being OUT of character, and just a brutal killing machine?
I get that a character can be driven to that point, but he is starting out at that point here.
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Brutal killing machine? That insinuates that he did the killing with malice. It's obvious it wore on Superman and Batman is dark enough to kill villains.
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It's just like Avatar and Chino all over again.
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Not even close buddy. I never said this movie is the shiznit.
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:hifive:
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Brutal killing machine? That insinuates that he did the killing with malice.
No it doesn't. It SAYS that he kills a lot of people, brutally. It doesn't INSINUATE anything.
Just because you personally don't have a problem with it doesn't mean it isn't a valid criticism.
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It's an argument I've had with my cousin for a long time. You know the one that I bitched about helping move those boxes on Facebook. :lol He can't stand when anything is different then his version of a superhero. He's loosened up over the years but it was so bad that he hated the darker blue for the Superman costume.
So I tend to like something a little more modern or even flawed as a superhero. The real issue is some directors do it better so it doesn't upset the fan base as much. Snyder has not done that well.
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Considering Batman broke his "no kill" rule in the comics after the Joker killed Robin, it would make sense if they mirrored that in the DCEU Batman. We've had plenty of different Batmans on screen and I'm happy they went a different route with him.
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He can't stand when anything is different then his version of a superhero. He's loosened up over the years but it was so bad that he hated the darker blue for the Superman costume.
I'm not concerned with "my" version of any superhero. I am concerned with the general historical portrayal of the character, regardless of the character.
I hate the darker blue on the Superman costume as well.
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I guess this quote by Zack Snyder from 2008 should have told us everything about what to expect from his version of Batman:
Everyone says that about [Christopher Nolan’s] Batman Begins. ”Batman’s dark.” I’m like, okay, ”No, Batman’s cool.” He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn’t, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go.
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Guys. The Batman V Superman "How It Should Have Ended Episode" is on point :rollin :rollin :rollin
Behold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTuyfQ5CR4Q
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That was totally worth 8 minutes of my morning!
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I might actually enjoy this one. I'll cue it up :lol
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Definitely goes on too long.
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Definitely goes on too long.
I totally agree, and now they're going to release a 3 hour version!
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Definitely goes on too long.
I totally agree, and now they're going to release a 3 hour version!
Rated R.
R for Reealllyyy ? :(
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Definitely goes on too long.
I totally agree, and now they're going to release a 3 hour version!
Rated R.
R for Reealllyyy ? :(
Based on that Snyder interview he did some years back about how he would treat Batman, I hope it's rated R for rape.
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The V in Batman V Superman clearly stands for Violence.
There was a report that Robin was originally in BVS and he too was a murdering psychopath.
:yeahright FFS.
Why not have a scene where Superman Pisses on the grave of Christopher Reeve ?
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The V in Batman V Superman clearly stands for Violence.
There was a report that Robin was originally in BVS and he too was a murdering psychopath.
:yeahright FFS.
Why not have a scene where Superman Pisses on the grave of Christopher Reeve ?
You are a DC drama quenn. :lol
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The V in Batman V Superman clearly stands for Violence.
There was a report that Robin was originally in BVS and he too was a murdering psychopath.
:yeahright FFS.
From what I've read (which might not be everything you've read) the Robin comments are based 100% on the weapon he had in his little display case which people assume was meant for brutal murder. Nothing else.
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The V in Batman V Superman clearly stands for Violence.
There was a report that Robin was originally in BVS and he too was a murdering psychopath.
:yeahright FFS.
Why not have a scene where Superman Pisses on the grave of Christopher Reeve ?
You are a DC drama quenn. :lol
Marvel are doing it so much better right now.
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While I agree with that, Marvel is making better movies at the moment, I don't want DC to go that route. I want my Marvel fun, and I want my DC dark. It fits. They just need to fix some writing problems.
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Yes :lol...
Man Of Steel wasn't as bad script wise but Snyder is not really a very good director. I'd put him on the same level as George Lucas. A lot of stuff on screen but incompetent in every other area.
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I don't have as much of a problem with Snyder's direction. It's not perfect, and it can be a bit wonky at times, but Im overall fine with it. I just want a consistently good story in a DC movie. Not an "okay" one with better moments.
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Yeah he needs to *not* direct Affleck's solo Batman movie.
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The V in Batman V Superman clearly stands for Violence.
There was a report that Robin was originally in BVS and he too was a murdering psychopath.
:yeahright FFS.
Why not have a scene where Superman Pisses on the grave of Christopher Reeve ?
You are a DC drama quenn. :lol
Marvel are doing it so much better right now.
Can't argue at all. It's just not as bad as others are saying.
I don't have as much of a problem with Snyder's direction. It's not perfect, and it can be a bit wonky at times, but Im overall fine with it. I just want a consistently good story in a DC movie. Not an "okay" one with better moments.
I thought I read Affleck is directing the Batman movie.
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I don't have as much of a problem with Snyder's direction. It's not perfect, and it can be a bit wonky at times, but Im overall fine with it. I just want a consistently good story in a DC movie. Not an "okay" one with better moments.
I thought I read Affleck is directing the Batman movie.
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Yeah, heard that too. Affleck is a great director, so I'm sure he'll do a good job with that. I just hope the writing's on point too.
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Yup. The writing needs to be stronger for sure.
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Wonder Woman wrapped production yesterday! I'm very excited for this movie, as Gal Gadot showed she was a wonderful Wonder Woman in BVS, and Patty Jenkins is a proven director. I like Chris Pine the role of Steve Trevor too. Hopefully this film and Suicide Squad can get the DCEU out of the hole Snyder put the series in.
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Wonder Woman wrapped production yesterday! I'm very excited for this movie, as Gal Gadot showed she was a wonderful Wonder Woman in BVS, and Patty Jenkins is a proven director. I like Chris Pine the role of Steve Trevor too. Hopefully this film and Suicide Squad can get the DCEU out of the hole Snyder put the series in.
Yea, Gal alone made me pretty excited for a WW movie.
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As with all of the other previous non-Nolan-directed DC films, I hope it doesn't completely suck.
That's as much as I can hope for.
The thing that has me worried is the World War I setting. I don't get it from the outset. The character originated in WWII, so unless this is based on some change in the comics that was done in the last 15 years (when I haven't been a very active comics buyer), it seems like it could be the kind of arbitrary change that DC has been willing to make with its characters over the years, and that is slightly troubling.
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I've always wondered why they made that change too, but quite honestly, as long as I get a cohesive, engaging story, which Patty Jenkins usually delivers, with Wonder Woman kicking ass (I've always cited her as the best fighter in the Justice League), then i'll be happy. There have been great comic book movies that weren't true to the comic storylines, like X2: United and Spider-Man 2. I havent read any of the New 52 stuff other than learning about the new lore so I cant justify the WWI setting other than "The First Avenger was set in WWII, let's see if its plausable to set Wonder Woman in WWI."
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Also, I have decided Patrick Wilburn should be Shazam. How hilarious would it be to see him act like a 10 year old in a 40 year old body :lol
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I have very little interest in Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman but will probably end up seeing both at the cinema because I'm a sucker and I like the genre.
Wonder Woman was fine in BvS, but Gal Gadot is not a leading woman and the few lines she had were a bit wooden. I think her in this leading role could end up being a disaster, but it depends. Maybe if they try to go about it like the early Arnold Schwarzenegger films, give her as little dialogue as possible and just have her hit people with a sword and it could turn out great.
But MoS/BvS has really killed my hope for this universe being great. They really need a homerun.
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You're the first to say that about Gal, Jimmy. Most say she's the best part in BvS.
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Interesting article, and I figure this is as good a thread as any to put it in.
https://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/if-nerds-won-the-war-for-pop-culture-then-why-are-they-so-angry-all-the-time
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You're the first to say that about Gal, Jimmy. Most say she's the best part in BvS.
Most people say Batman was the best part in BvS. :P I've actually heard a few critics point out her being a bit stiff on the line delivery. Don't get me wrong, I liked her in BvS, but having a 5 minute cameo vs carrying the movie on your shoulders is a big difference.
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I havent read any of the New 52 stuff other than learning about the new lore so I cant justify the WWI setting other than "The First Avenger was set in WWII, let's see if its plausable to set Wonder Woman in WWI."
Yeah, but Marvel was being true to the character by putting Cap's origin in WWII. That's the way he has always been portrayed. They were faithful to the character (even if they change/update a few details). And they always have been, unlike pretty much every other superhero-making studio out there. It's like they don't trust the character, so they feel like they have to fuck with it to make it more successful.
Marvel has been so successful precisely BECAUSE they trust the characters.
Fox recently had a huge hit with Deadpool because they finally trusted the character. Hopefully they learn that lesson going forward in the X-Universe. But I'm not sure that WB has learned that yet for their DC films. We'll see.
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You're the first to say that about Gal, Jimmy. Most say she's the best part in BvS.
Most people say Batman was the best part in BvS. :P I've actually heard a few critics point out her being a bit stiff on the line delivery. Don't get me wrong, I liked her in BvS, but having a 5 minute cameo vs carrying the movie on your shoulders is a big difference.
Man, not from any that I read. No big whoop but for most, they liked her. We'll see I guess.
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I'm a little late, but I just saw the 3rd Suicide Squad trailer. I'm not nearly as excited to see this movie as I once was.
When I saw the first "I Started a Joke" trailer, I thought this movie would be amazing. Now, after hearing about the reshoots (to make it more funny and light-hearted and less dark) and seeing this...I'm not so sure.
It's not that I'm this big "it has to be dark and gritty" guy. But it depends on the movie. Superman shouldn't be dark, but The Suicide Squad should. Even when DC starts to get it right, they change their minds and screw up the movie before it's even out. :mehlin
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That's not really the reason for the reshoots. They are just reshoots, there is no real problem. Reshoots are done on lots of big budget films. It doesn't mean they are having to fix major problems in the film.
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I'm just going off the multiple reports that I heard that after Batman versus Superman got bad reviews for being "too dark" they decided that they would insert more jokes in suicide squad to make it more lighthearted.
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I thought that was reported as a fabrication? Am I wrong Hef?
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Nope, you're correct king. That was all just made up. Unfortunately the fleeting nature of social media means that a lot of people will have done what jammindude did and not realised.
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Apologies. I can't keep up with EVERY report. But I thank you for the correction.
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Interesting reports coming out that the villain(s) for Justice League will be Ocean Master and Ares, meaning we're gonna get some Atlantean/Amazon battle action.
I like the idea of these two being the villains, and it's an interesting way to introduce Aquaman into the equation. The only problem is Dawn of Justice and its wasted character choices such as The Death of Superman storyline. If it were to follow the comics, then Superman's body was stolen from his grave by Cadmus labs to create the Supermen, which includes Superman's clone, Superboy.
But hey, maybe they found a clever way to bring back Superman for JL, because I doubt we're gonna see him in Suicide Squad or Wonder Woman.
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Interesting reports coming out that the villain(s) for Justice League will be Ocean Master and Ares
I hope not.
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Interesting reports coming out that the villain(s) for Justice League will be Ocean Master and Ares
I hope not.
Why? Both are important villains. Having Ocean Master will only set up Black Manta for the Aquaman film
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The general public doesn't know who either of those people are. They have no name recognition. Not sure how that makes them "important" villains.
Ocean Master is an Aquaman villain, and Aquaman is practically a laughing stock. No one takes him seriously (which I hope changes after his solo film).
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The general public doesn't know who either of those people are. They have no name recognition. Not sure how that makes them "important" villains.
Ocean Master is an Aquaman villain, and Aquaman is practically a laughing stock. No one takes him seriously (which I hope changes after his solo film).
Well, anyone who has been exposed to Greek mythology should be familiar with Ares.
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"Should be", yes. As a character from mythology.
As a super-villain, it might be a little weird.
It would work for me personally, I am familiar with both characters. I'm just talking about the general public, in whom I have no confidence.
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I will argue that the MCU has introduced lesserknown villains and heroes, and the general public has been receptive. I think they'll be receptive to Ocean Master and Ares.
As of today, they may be in the film, but they wont be the main villians. WB just dropped a ton of news regarding Justicr League!
(https://static.srcdn.com/slir/w1000-h666-q90-c1000:666/wp-content/uploads/Justice-League-Movie-Logo-Black-BG.jpg)
The Geoff Johns era of the DC Universe has begun! Just look at that logo! It really evokes classic Justice League. None of that serious Snyder lens flares in the title.
Speaking of tone, it has been said before, but the film will be "lighter and inclusive." I guess that's fine, but the serious tone never bothered me. It was the storytelling. However, aeeing that this is a team up film, it would make sense.
Official synopsis:
Fueled by his restored faith in humanity and inspired by Superman’s selfless act, Bruce Wayne enlists the help of his newfound ally, Diana Prince, to face an even greater enemy. Together, Batman and Wonder Woman work quickly to find and recruit a team of metahumans to stand against this newly awakened threat. But despite the formation of this unprecedented league of heroes—Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg and The Flash—it may already be too late to save the planet from an assault of catastrophic proportions.
Steppenwolf will be the main villain, who was teased in a deleted scene with Lex Luthor in Dawn of Justice. Steppenwolf will also lead the Parademons we saw in Batman's Knightmare sequence.
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The seriousness and "grit" is what gave the DCU its own personality in my opinion. And yeah agree, it was the storytelling itself, not the tone, that has been the problem so far. So suddenly making it "lighter" has me rolling my eyes a bit, but I'm sure it'll be fine in the end.
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I will argue that the MCU has introduced lesserknown villains and heroes, and the general public has been receptive.
They have, because Marvel has generally put out, well, good films, not the clusterfuck that was BvS. They can put out whatever they want now and get the benefit of the doubt. I don't think DC has earned that yet.
I just feel that on the heels of BvS, they should come back with a bigger name villain to unite these guys. Steppenwolf seems like an odd choice. I hope it's good, and I wish them luck.
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Like Hef said, Marvel has been able to take chances and use lesser known characters because they make good movies. Even the lowest rated films like Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 are still certified fresh by both audiences and critics. DC on the other hand has put out 2 films with very mixed reception, and they need a hit. Not just a "decent" movie, they need a home run.
Personally I think Suicide Squad looks terrible, and while Zack Snyder's involvement takes a lot out of my excitement for Justice League, I'm still more excited for it because Affleck was great as Batman.
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I actually think that Suicide Squad looks pretty cool.
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I actually think that Suicide Squad looks pretty cool.
Totally agree. Actually looks good to the point that if Batman weren't in it, I'd assume it wasn't at all related to BvS.
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And when they say "lighter and inclusive" I assume them leaning towards the way Marvel does their films.
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I hope in that case it's in the veign of the Bruce Timm Justice League show from the early 2000's. It was it was a serious show with interesting and philosophical concepts but the "fun" of MCU
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I'm curious about how the box office numbers will look with something like Justice League. I guess Suicide Squad will have a lot to say, does Wonder Woman come out before as well? Because we all thought BvS would make a billion easily and look at how that turned out. And going into JL, there's another movie with mixed reviews on top of the already shaky reviewed Man of Steel.
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More plot info, but vague. The League will be looking for the three Motherboxes. One we already know of, and it's within Cyborg. The other two are with the Atlanteans and the Amazonians, which is where I suspect Ocean Master and Ares will come into play
Willem Dafoe's character has been announced! He'll be playing Vulko, who is a character from the Aquaman universe.
We'll see Batman and Flash wearing a few different suits. I guess when we first see Flash, it's something he made himself, then we'll get the suit that we all love and know later in the film
Junkie XL will be scoring the film. He worked with Hans Zimmer for the Dawn of Justice score. I didnt care for the score and it was a letdown compared to Man Of Steel's EXCELLENT compostion. However, Junxie XL scored Mad Max: Fury Road, which was both a great movie and soundtrack
I'm curious about how the box office numbers will look with something like Justice League. I guess Suicide Squad will have a lot to say, does Wonder Woman come out before as well? Because we all thought BvS would make a billion easily and look at how that turned out. And going into JL, there's another movie with mixed reviews on top of the already shaky reviewed Man of Steel.
It has made 871million, which is an incredible amount for any movie. Just because it didnt hit a billion doesnt mean it wasnt a box office hit. It would have made a billion if the film warranted repeated viewings by the general public, which it didn't. However, if JL gets positive reviews, im sure it will hit a billion.
EDIT: Only 6 superhero films have made it past a billion
The Avengers
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Iron Man 3
The Dark Knight Rises
Captain America: Civil War
Thr Dark Knight
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I think Snyder and company have earned another chance...
I just read the Collider set visit report, and it seems like they really are responding to the criticisms people had for BvS. It also seems that Ben Affleck is pushing his Batman movie forward, so they can have as good of script as possible.
I also love that they are adding more humor into DCCU. That was something that was clearly missing from BvS. The Dark Knight, which was celebrated for it's dark tone still has a lot of humor in it. Michael Caine and Christian Bale had some great banter in that movie.
Most things about the report are pretty encouraging, and i remain optimistic for Justice League.
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Junkie XL also scored Deadpool.
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Willem Dafoe is always welcome, under any circumstances. That is already a step in the right direction.
The tone has apparently been changed for this film, as well. Good thing.
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I'm wicked late to this thread. However, I just saw BvS "Extended edition" and I really liked it. I enjoyed it much more than The Dark Knight Rises and BA is a better batman than CB. The Batman fighting sequences were fantastic. Batman's change of heart towards Superman was well executed by both actors in the fight scene. To me it read like Batman was seeing Superman's humanity for the first time and not just as an alien that's destroying the world around him. The overall tone of the picture and beauty of the cinematography fit well together. I thought Lex's personality shift to eccentric maniac actually worked well. I thought Doomsday was cool, but would have still liked to see him maybe in the next film with some foreshadowing at the end of this movie (similar to the comics "Doomsday is coming").
I'm surprised by how many people dislike this movie. It's vastly different than Marvel's beloved superhero universe, but I wouldn't say it's worse. I don't even think you can compare this movie to Marvel... I'll use the recent Deadpool as an example. They have as much in common as heavy metal and ska do. While Deadpool is like a character study of a colorful superhero, BvS is shot mostly from a wider perspective that doesn't concentrate as much on developing the characters (which to me isn't detrimental to it). I really liked both movies.
-Tof
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The extended edition was better, but only really bumped the movie up from a 6/10 to a 7 or 7.5/10 for me. Some of the major problems were still in the movie, like even though they made the part in Africa better, that whole subplot still felt unnecessary and boring. Lex Luthor was still cringeworthy and the whole "Martha" -"WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!" -"That's his mommy's name" sequence was still there. Or the fact that Lex Luthor created icons for all the superheroes he had been keeping tabs on. A lot of those stupid problems were still featured, but at least this cut had a better flow and it didn't feel as choppy.
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Entertainment Weekly has released new production images for Wonder Woman!
https://www.ew.com/gallery/wonder-woman-exclusive-images/2666638_gal-gadot-wonder-woman
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I am completely infatuated with Gal Gadot :heart
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Looking good! I think I'm looking forward to most of the new DC movies despite really not liking BvS.
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Just watched Batman vs Superman, I'll have to think about it but I'm kinda "meh" at the moment.
The motivations of the characters are not clear, the whole "Superheroes do questionable stuff and they argue with each other" thing was done way more clearly in Captain America Civil War... now I'm not even sure why Batman was pissed off at Superman, he was still holding a grudge from the destruction of the ending of Man of Steel (depicted at the beginning)? Also the frame job from Lex Luthor was very poor, it was clear soon enough that the bomb was in the wheelchair and Superman was helping survivors, he ran away because I guess the plot needed him to be framed.
The first hour was a very slow tedium, and when finally the fight happened... it was orchestrated by Lex Luthor and it all ended with the Martha thing. Even when there was the moment for that famous quote from the trailer, "Tell me... do you bleed?" it felt kinda bland, it's like they first thought of a catchy phrase that Batman would say to Superman so that they could put it in the trailer, and then they had to shoehorn it in somehow.
Not a terrible movie but I expected it to be way more enjoyable than it actually was.
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I get the flaws but it's very clear why Batman is pissed off at Superman.
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Yea, I was pretty sold on why Batman was anti-supes. However, they didn't handle it like Batman would.
Batman would have developed a well constructed plan to take down Superman, but then do everything to assess the situation and make sure it wasn't necessary and keep it on the back burner, just in case. They lost the actual Batman character when he said something like "If there's even a 1% chance he is our enemy then we have to treat it as an absolute certainty". I'm sorry is this George W. Bush under the mask? No. It's a very very smart man who would never say something so stupid about who is obviously a hero. But yea, Batman wouldn't have tried to kill Superman unless he truly felt he had no other options.
Superman's motivation on the other hand was horrible. "He's a vigilante and must be taken down! By me....the guy who destroyed an entire city trying to be a vigilante and who only started complying with the authorities after the fact."
And yea, every single thing Lex did was dumb. I felt like someone did a lot of coke and speed and maybe meth and wrote what they figured was a genius plan and no went back and double checked it after sobering up.
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I love your Lexus analogy!!
Well the Batman plan was based off the Frank Miller style. I had no problem with that.
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I love your Lexus analogy!!
Well the Batman plan was based off the Frank Miller style. I had no problem with that.
Yea, even though I still don't see Batman doing it the way he did, it was still pretty close and reasonable in the narrative.
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Maybe the reigns not in Zach Snyder's hand now will help.
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Yes, I feel like we're going to get better storytelling now that Geoff Johns is the man behind this universe.
Apparently Superman's storyline is better is the Ultimate Edition. Also, that the Ultimate Edition is better is general. I know you can download it digitally, but i'll wait for the blu ray to come out next week.
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Yes, I feel like we're going to get better storytelling now that Geoff Johns is the man behind this universe.
Apparently Superman's storyline is better is the Ultimate Edition. Also, that the Ultimate Edition is better is general. I know you can download it digitally, but i'll wait for the blu ray to come out next week.
Yea, I haven't seen it yet (waiting for blu ray release) but I've heard they expand on it a bit. Even with those new details, I still doing buy it.
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It's better for sure, but the negative side is that you have another 30 minutes and the amount of time you get to see Batman/Superman VS how long the movie is is even more messed up.
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One thing I missed is a quote so famous that even I who didn't read the comics know it's there, when Batman taunts Superman with something along the lines of "I want you to remember, my hand at your throat, the one man that beat you". If done well if would have been great on screen.
Also, a minor nitpicking, but something that made me say "what???" during the movie... when there's the party at Lex Luthor's mansion and Bruce talks with Clark Kent, Lex Luthor shows up and he's all "wow, Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne meeting each other".
.....why??? Bruce Wayne, ok, he's a famous billionaire. But Clark Kent? did I miss the part in which he became famous because of a scoop or something? why the meeting of a famous billionaire and a random young journalist would be something to remark about, given that the only exceptional thing about it is the real world explanation that Superman is meeting Batman while both they're using their public mask?
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Um, he knows who they are. Since he has details on the other meta's he's been following them.
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I rewatched the scene, Lex appears when they're talking and goes "Boys? ha! Bruce Wayne meets Clark Kent. I love it! I love bringing people together!"
So yeah, probably he was just being a good guest introducing people. Still, what's to be excited about a meeting between a young journalist and a famous billionaire? if they were both famous in their own way it would be something to be proud of as a guest, "Two important people meet at my house". I feel odd the need to remark the meeting since the only thing really remarkable about it is that we, the audience, know it's Batman meeting Superman.
Not a big deal in the overall context of the movie, it was just a minor thing that puzzled me, that's all.
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Just finished watching the ultimate edition of Dawn of Justice, and it is a better film. I think you didn't like it in the first place, it may not change your mind. However, the additional 30 minutes make the difference by fleshing out certain aspects of the film. Superman's part in this extended edition showcases his concern with Batman's idea of justice, and you see him being an investigative reporter. There's a moment that I won't spoil for those who are actually anticipating watching this, but it makes the moment the Superman first meets Batman more weighted and meaningful. The Africa scene, which i didn't care for like most people, does get expanded on why that scene is relevant.
Basically this version of this movie did for me what the extended version of Watchmen did. I enjoyed the movie much more. BVS is still a mess of subplots, but the extended version for me knocked the movie from a 5/10 to a 6.5/10.
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I'm still trying to figure out what warranted a rated R rating for the Ultimate Edition of BVS. The additional violence was the same vein of what we saw in the PG-13 theatrical cut.
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I'm still trying to figure out what warranted a rated R rating for the Ultimate Edition of BVS. The additional violence was the same vein of what we saw in the PG-13 theatrical cut.
I noticed some blood splatter but it was really minor and far from something that would warrant an R-rating IMO. Maybe one or two curse words? I don't even remember.
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Just finished watching the ultimate edition of Dawn of Justice, and it is a better film. I think you didn't like it in the first place, it may not change your mind. However, the additional 30 minutes make the difference by fleshing out certain aspects of the film. Superman's part in this extended edition showcases his concern with Batman's idea of justice, and you see him being an investigative reporter. There's a moment that I won't spoil for those who are actually anticipating watching this, but it makes the moment the Superman first meets Batman more weighted and meaningful. The Africa scene, which i didn't care for like most people, does get expanded on why that scene is relevant.
Basically this version of this movie did for me what the extended version of Watchmen did. I enjoyed the movie much more. BVS is still a mess of subplots, but the extended version for me knocked the movie from a 5/10 to a 6.5/10.
I have the same exact thoughts only for me the movie went from a 7/10 to 8/10 after watching the ultimate cut.
The R rating is probably for the more intense fights scenes with Batman. It's certainly more visceral and brash.
I think they should've cut down the subplots, the wasp scene as cool as it was I think really does nothing for the movie. Like the honest trailer mentions they crammed some 6 story lines into this movie which really didn't help.
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:heart :heart :heart Official teaser poster for Wonder Woman :heart :heart :heart
(https://screencrush.com/files/2016/07/Wonder-Woman-poster-image.jpg)
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Wonder Woman Comic Con Trailer is here! And boy is it great!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lGoQhFb4NM
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And also our first look at the Justice League
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gglkYMGRYlE
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Very, very cool.
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I have a question.
Does Aquaman drink alcohol out of a bottle in the comics or did Zack Snyder shove that in because dark and edgy ?
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You mean trying to decide to show allegiance to the water dwelling Atlanteans or to your human roots without pissing off someone from either side won't render you to drinking, Kotowboy? :lol
The only thing I have concerns of is Bruce Wayne recruiting without the cowl on. That's just me being a Batman fan...in the comics, that would never happen. It could work in the movie...
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You mean trying to decide to show allegiance to the water dwelling Atlanteans or to your human roots without pissing off someone from either side won't render you to drinking, Kotowboy? :lol
I think in that instance. I may have a hand shandy. :zydar:
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Official image complimented with a Snyder lens flare
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NO WYA I THOUGHT JAR JAR ABRAHAMS INVENTED THE LENS FLARE WTFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Wonder Woman Comic Con Trailer is here! And boy is it great!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lGoQhFb4NM
That looked....okay. Hm. The trailer didn't do a lot for me, felt a bit Snydery with all the slo mo and blah humor, but I still have high hopes for the movie itself.
And the Justice League thing looked cool. Confirmed that the person I'm most excited for is The Flash.
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Watched the Ultimate Edition of BvS this weekend and loved it. Never saw the original version, but I walked away very satisfied. Lex didn't even annoy me as much as I thought he would. Looking forward to upcoming DC films!
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It is significantly better than what we saw originally.
Lesser minds might tell you that they were just a couple of short scenes added here and there and that they were meaningless, but these are people who didn't understand what the narrative issues were in the first place. There is a hell lot more into Lex's plan than what the original one showed. The russian agent's role is greatly expanded, the woman blaming Superman is explained, and a lot of cool references to Superman's weakness.
It flows a lot better, does a lot to get the film straight and it doesn't feel all that forced when you think about it.
Sure, we could have used another film of either character before this, but the way BvS was presented, it worked perfectly for me.
I really fail to understand what people's problem with Lex is. Can't we accept that this fiction, after all? He's clearly insane, specially after getting in touch with Steppenwolf.
Also, I don't think "Doomsday" is done. The beast we saw was hinted as a resurrected being, which means it already existed, and might come back, who knows.
What pisses many people off, including me, is why the hell didn't they show this from the beggining. The person in charge of editing the film to make it 30 minutes shorter was placed in such a hellish situation, which shouldn't have been necessary.
It doesn't even make it to the 3-hour mark (without credits).
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The extended edition was better, but only really bumped the movie up from a 6/10 to a 7 or 7.5/10 for me. Some of the major problems were still in the movie, like even though they made the part in Africa better, that whole subplot still felt unnecessary and boring. Lex Luthor was still cringeworthy and the whole "Martha" -"WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!" -"That's his mommy's name" sequence was still there. Or the fact that Lex Luthor created icons for all the superheroes he had been keeping tabs on. A lot of those stupid problems were still featured, but at least this cut had a better flow and it didn't feel as choppy.
You almost quoted Angry Joe's review of the film.
I didn't find the Martha scene cringeworthy either. Imagine a child who sees his parents murdered in front of him and is totally helpless to stop it and spends the rest of his life thinking about that. That man suddenly hearing the name of his deceased mother (something only he, supposedly, knows) from the guy he's trying to kill?
He doesn't go "Oh no he named Martha", he actually pushes him even harder to answer his question as to why he said that and he would have finished him off if it wasn't for LL's arrival. He's an alien, an alien that didn't mind murdering thousands of people during his battle against Zod, why would he have a mother as we know it? He's been almighty throughout his life, why would he care? How does he dare saying his mother's name? Yet in the end, he comes to understand that Superman didn't really have any reason to go against him but that, and that's the point, Superman doesn't really have anything against Batman other than stopping his vigilante activities (but not Bruce himself) and the extended cut sees that issue.
When you're in such situations, I don't think you actually make sense out of your own mind, humans are paranoid beings, he's all triumphant convinced that he brought down the godlike being and of sudden, he says that.
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I just watched Batman the Killing joke animated film. It was decent
One spoiler kind of thing where I was like whoa was
Batman and batgirl randomly have sex. Its like super out of nowhere.
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I just watched Batman the Killing joke animated film. It was decent
One spoiler kind of thing where I was like whoa was
Batman and batgirl randomly have sex. Its like super out of nowhere.
Yeah, it created a major controversy amongst fans. At Comic Con, someone asked a question about it at one of the creators and got called a 'pussy'. Classy, right?
The whole problem is, it's so out of character for Barbara that the whole scene is just ridiculous.
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Speaking of Comic Con, anyone seen the trailers they've put out of Wonder Woman and League of Justice? I thought both looked awesome. What are your thoughts?
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Justice League trailer was great. Wonder Woman trailer was good, but I'm not AS excited for it. It looks like dumb schlock that could be fun.
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Justice League trailer was good. It's pretty obvious they said "Ah screw it, let's just do what Marvel's doing", but if it ain't broke.
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I just watched Batman the Killing joke animated film. It was decent
One spoiler kind of thing where I was like whoa was
Batman and batgirl randomly have sex. Its like super out of nowhere.
Yeah, it created a major controversy amongst fans. At Comic Con, someone asked a question about it at one of the creators and got called a 'pussy'. Classy, right?
The whole problem is, it's so out of character for Barbara that the whole scene is just ridiculous.
When i heard this, i thought someone was doing really bad joke. I mean seriously?? I don't think i'll be watching The Killing Joke..
Justice League looks good though, but the one i'm really excited about is Wonder Woman. That trailer sold me!
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Yea, Wonder Woman looks great. Someone else on yotube pointed out that she is the first person acting heroic in the DCU.
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"I'm offended because WW needs 5 men to help her. A strong woman can easily manage by herself. This film needs more female influences. Why Aquaman has to he a guy? Mermaids are way more famous (altho she doesn't need to be halfnaked at all, she's not a sexual object"
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I really hope that's a quote from someone else.
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My biggest fear regarding WW is the tone. I feel like the trailer makes it seem darker/more serious than it should be. The concept is goofy as hell and it's essentially a better (but still as cheesy) Xena the warrior princess, and I think you need to make it lighter and less serious to make it great fun. A trailer is only a trailer, but if they try to go the BvS/MoS-route with the tone, it could be a disaster. We'll see, I won't judge it on one trailer. The action itself looked good.
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My biggest fear regarding WW is the tone. I feel like the trailer makes it seem darker/more serious than it should be. The concept is goofy as hell and it's essentially a better (but still as cheesy) Xena the warrior princess, and I think you need to make it lighter and less serious to make it great fun. A trailer is only a trailer, but if they try to go the BvS/MoS-route with the tone, it could be a disaster. We'll see, I won't judge it on one trailer. The action itself looked good.
Triggered
You think women don't have the right to be serious as fuck?
A movie about two MEN can be serious and nonody says shit, but a WOMAN can't be serious!?!?
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Xena did not age well. I hope if they go for a lighter tone it's not cheesy as fuck like that show.
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So I'm starting to get worried about Suicide Squad. So much of the promotion and buzz is around Leto's Joker, who I assumed was going to be a smaller role.
I just feel like they're lacking faith in the rest of the cast and are making it all about Joker, and people might feel let down when it's not essentially a Joker movie.
I dunno, I just wish they had more buzz about the rest of the cast, besides just Joker and Harley, since the rest of them look great.
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I agree.
David Ayer said himself that Deadshot would drive the story, so Im pretty sure some people will complain about Joker not being the big character they think after watching the trailers.
And I feel that they're making the same marketing mistake as BvS. They are showing way to much with all the Tv-spots and extended trailers. I just hope they havent showed snippets of EVERY Joker-scene.
And if they stay true the comics, the conversation they've shown between Boomerang and Slipknot is a big Spoiler..
Still VERY excited though. The movie looks awesome!
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Some early reviews are in, currently sitting at 37% at RT. Could definitely go up, but looks like another mixed bag in terms of reception. Seeing it on Sunday myself. I'm not overly hyped (the concept of Suicide Squad never blew me away), but add Batman, Flash (I heard somewhere that he will cameo) and some classic Batman characters like Joker and Harley Quinn and I'll pay for a ticket at least.
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IGN's review was brutal.
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I think they're just being jerks.
I can't trust a world that reviews Iron Man 2 and 3 so highly.
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Seems the fans reviews so,far are very good and the critics hate it. To me it that means it's a fun movie that if you care about the little things you'll hate it
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My daughter loves Harley Quinn, so we will try to catch it some time this weekend.
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https://www.change.org/p/rottentomatoes-com-shutdown-rotten-tomatoes
oh dear lord, it has begun :rollin
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The Internet just allow all to see jackasses that we'd never interact with otherwise.
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Just like Dawn of Justice, I'm going in open minded and review free, and I ended not being crazy about it either. I saw X-Men Apocalypse the same way, which wasn't a hit with the critics either, and I enjoyed it.
I can't trust a world that reviews Iron Man 2 and 3 so highly.
Bingo
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I'm surprised at how many people seem to care so much what critics think. Since I was a child I've never relied on critics of any kind of art (music, films, whatever) because everyone has different tastes/approaches, but critics have a specific job to be critical. Normally when critics love something I find it at the very least good (though sometimes not as mindblowing as they make out), but when they dislike something I can normally ignore it and prefer to read/listen to what normal people are saying. I don't always agree with that either, but at least it's far more representative of normal human beings.
This is why I like sites like IMDB. In the case of the DC movies so far, Man of Steel and BvS are both rated around 7/10, which feels about right to me. They're good films overall, with some really excellent stuff but also flaws, and not with the same strong coherence as some other films in the genre like the Dark Knight trilogy or many of Marvel's outputs.
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I think for some people, general consensus being positive is something you want because if you like it, you want other people to not hate it. Normally I don't really care, there are some movies that I love, like Cloud Atlas which got a very mixed reception. That's cool. I think a lot of the DC fanboys in this case are upset because in their eyes, DC is better than Marvel, yet so far out of the gate, they have 3 rotten films in their cinematic universe whereas Marvel has been smooth sailing with only a few bumps, and even those bumps haven't been that big. Also, generally speaking, a good reception means a good word of mouth, which means the movie makes more money and future sequels are more possible. Bad reception can really torpedo a movie.
But I mean, we're talking about a group of people who think Disney has paid off critics to love the Marvel films and hate the DC films. That's the level of delusional we're dealing with, so it should probably not be that surprising that people are outraged over something as trivial as opinions. :P
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I'm surprised at how many people seem to care so much what critics think. Since I was a child I've never relied on critics of any kind of art (music, films, whatever) because everyone has different tastes/approaches, but critics have a specific job to be critical. Normally when critics love something I find it at the very least good (though sometimes not as mindblowing as they make out), but when they dislike something I can normally ignore it and prefer to read/listen to what normal people are saying. I don't always agree with that either, but at least it's far more representative of normal human beings.
This is why I like sites like IMDB. In the case of the DC movies so far, Man of Steel and BvS are both rated around 7/10, which feels about right to me. They're good films overall, with some really excellent stuff but also flaws, and not with the same strong coherence as some other films in the genre like the Dark Knight trilogy or many of Marvel's outputs.
IMDB reviews are stupid, it's just full of fanboi's and troll's giving out 0/10 or 10/10. All you need is a email account to post a review - Suicide Squad already have 8000 reviews depict the film isn't even out yet....At least you know the critics have actually seen the film and in general are capable of writing a articulate reviews - not just 'This Film Rox/Sux'.
I'm not saying I agree with critics all the time - but on Comic book movies a genre I enjoy I find most of the films have been reviewed roughly with how i'd go with. Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy were great films. The Amazing Spiderman and Thor 2 were average films. Fantasic Four and Green Lantern were dreadful - That's how the critics reviewed them and I tend to agree. The only one in recent times I've felt different about was 'Days of Future Past' the critics loved it and I thought it was pretty weak (although the fans loved it too, so that's just me outta step I guess).
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I really want to go in to this movie with an open mind, not being affected by critics.. But every fucking news-site have put up their review on the front page today - two days before the movie premiers! The first thing I saw when I opened my web-browser this morning was "Another failed attempt by DC". FUCK.
Well..my brother said that Jeremy Jahns really liked it, and I've mostly agreed with most of JJ's opinions before.
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IMDB reviews are stupid, it's just full of fanboi's and troll's giving out 0/10 or 10/10. All you need is a email account to post a review - Suicide Squad already have 8000 reviews depict the film isn't even out yet....At least you know the critics have actually seen the film and in general are capable of writing a articulate reviews - not just 'This Film Rox/Sux'.
I'm not talking about reviews, I'm talking about average ratings. But at this stage before a film has even come out, sure thing, I'd agree with what you say. But once a film has been out for a while and has been rated tens of thousands of times (or more, even) then those sorts of ratings get merged into the masses and don't really make any difference, and the average rating produces a good assessment of what "the masses", on average, think of the movie.
Plus IMDB has a way of weighting things to also smooth out skews like that, which is very effective once numbers are high enough. They've never revealed how they do it, but my guess is that each account holder is assigned a weighting based on the range of ratings they give, e.g. someone who basically only gives 0s and 10s will be weighted less than someone who gives a greater variety of ratings. RateYourMusic does the same sort of thing, though usually the numbers of people rating anything are too low and are easily skewed by strong opinions like that.
Jimmy, when you say 3 rotten films, do you mean in rottentomatoes terms? I seem to recall you saying you found BvS decent, if flawed. I'd hardly call that rotten.
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Yeah I meant certified rotten on RT. I think the problem with the rating system (0-10) is that trolls and fanboys will screw it up, and it will never be trustworthy. Opinions are opinions but there's certain situations where people are giving out 0's or 10's to movies that don't justify the rating. What's good with something like RT is that it boils down to "did you like it or did you not like it?" and you get an idea of how many viewers liked it and how many didn't. When you throw in ratings in the mix, you have people voting 10 for BvS and 0 or 1 on Civil War just because "DC > Marvel".
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Like I said though, IMDB weights its average ratings to stop those extremes from skewing the overall result.
For sure there can be a benefit from a simple yes/no (although I'd question how it's determined - is a 3 star rating a like or dislike?), but that only works if you have a big sample that broadly represents the general population like IMDB does. Whereas RT is a small sample only taken from professional critics whose job it is to be critical, and who therefore do not remotely represent the general population. I find a lot of overlap between average IMDB ratings and my own opinions (far from a perfect match, but surprisingly close), whereas basically zero correlation with critical response.
I can see a clear case for individuals who find that their own tastes match quite closely to individual critics - that's fair enough, and it makes sense that those people would trust the reviews from that critic. Whereas an aggregating site like RT is meaningless in my opinion, but unfortunately a lot of people seem to take it seriously, including some of those DC fanboys it seems.
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Like I said though, IMDB weights its average ratings to stop those extremes from skewing the overall result.
For sure there can be a benefit from a simple yes/no (although I'd question how it's determined - is a 3 star rating a like or dislike?), but that only works if you have a big sample that broadly represents the general population like IMDB does. Whereas RT is a small sample only taken from professional critics whose job it is to be critical, and who therefore do not remotely represent the general population. I find a lot of overlap between average IMDB ratings and my own opinions (far from a perfect match, but surprisingly close), whereas basically zero correlation with critical response.
I can see a clear case for individuals who find that their own tastes match quite closely to individual critics - that's fair enough, and it makes sense that those people would trust the reviews from that critic. Whereas an aggregating site like RT is meaningless in my opinion, but unfortunately a lot of people seem to take it seriously, including some of those DC fanboys it seems.
Yeah but RT also has a Audience score as well as critic score too. If you click on Bats vs Supes on IMDB you'll see 10/10 is the most popular user score - that's why I think it's total rubbish. I get the fact people like the movie, and some will even love it - but 10/10 the most popular score really?? And if you want to see a real horror of IMDB scores/users click on Ghostbusters 2016........28% gave it 1, 23% gave it 10. So 51% of people who 'saw' that movie objectively gave it 1 or 10.....
...And that lead to the other problem - so many films end up in the middle ground period of 6 - 7'ish area. Take the Bond Franchise 50+ years, 24 canon movies, plenty of highs and lows. But on IMDB the highest film is 7.9 the lowest 6.2 (with 13 of them on 6.7 -7.1).
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Yeah but RT also has a Audience score as well as critic score too. If you click on Bats vs Supes on IMDB you'll see 10/10 is the most popular user score - that's why I think it's total rubbish.
Didn't know about the audience score, but yes of course it can skewed like that as numbers won't be big enough - things tend to settle over time whereas RT is based on views at release rather than later on.
And if you want to see a real horror of IMDB scores/users click on Ghostbusters 2016........28% gave it 1, 23% gave it 10. So 51% of people who 'saw' that movie objectively gave it 1 or 10.....
Clearly that's a special case because of all the controversy surrounding it. So yes, SOME movies can be skewed like that, but once again IMDB has clever ways of smoothing this out, and this particularly happens over time whereas that film is still very new. It should end up with far far more ratings than 60,000. The average for Ghostbusters is currently slightly lower than a simple average of all the individual ratings.
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...And that lead to the other problem - so many films end up in the middle ground period of 6 - 7'ish area. Take the Bond Franchise 50+ years, 24 canon movies, plenty of highs and lows. But on IMDB the highest film is 7.9 the lowest 6.2 (with 13 of them on 6.7 -7.1).
I fail to see a problem with that.
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I fail to see a problem with that.
It means most films tend to filter in the that bland 6.0-7.5 range, with no scaling.
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I failed myself and watched some reviews on youtube.
Jeremy Jahns, Mr Sunday Movies and Emergency Awesome really liked it, so Im hopeful. Im seeing it on Friday!
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I don't really take into consideration what the critics say when I go to see something.
I really enjoyed the Warcraft film, as did many people I know, even tho the critics destroyed it.
However, Iron Man 2 and 3 were amazingly weak, and featured the worst villains in the MCU (And this is something that most fans agree on, specially comic-book fans for that Mandarin butchering they did), and they're rated well above MoS.
Now, we're not talking about a really cultural genre (for example, that film Beasts of the Southern Wild which was praised the hell out of it, I disliked it enormously, but oh well, I'm probably too ignorant for that kind of thing).
I usually read the critics after I've seen the movie and made an idea of my own, or just never do it at all. For example, a film I really liked was Frozen, but I wouldn't go as far as to call it the best Disney film ever or a Disney renaissance film, as I consider Tangled to be an overall better film.
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I don't really take into consideration what the critics say when I go to see something.
I really enjoyed the Warcraft film, as did many people I know, even tho the critics destroyed it.
However, Iron Man 2 and 3 were amazingly weak, and featured the worst villains in the MCU (And this is something that most fans agree on, specially comic-book fans for that Mandarin butchering they did), and they're rated well above MoS.
Now, we're not talking about a really cultural genre (for example, that film Beasts of the Southern Wild which was praised the hell out of it, I disliked it enormously, but oh well, I'm probably too ignorant for that kind of thing).
I usually read the critics after I've seen the movie and made an idea of my own, or just never do it at all. For example, a film I really liked was Frozen, but I wouldn't go as far as to call it the best Disney film ever or a Disney renaissance film, as I consider Tangled to be an overall better film.
Really like IM3. But there again I like Shane Black and that film is full of Shane Black'isms - I can honestly say I loved the Mandarin twist - the only downside now is Kingsley can't now play The Vulture (surely a role he was born to play!). IM2 wasn't great tied with Thor 2 as my personal weakest Marvel Universe film (Oh and also the Hulk movie with Norton, but i'm never sure if that is part of the Universe or not). Still think both are better than Man of Steel/Bats vs Supes though - the portrayal of Superman in these movies is awful, and Cavill's performance doesn't help at all. I actually prefer Superman Returns over Man of Steel and even Superman III just edges out MoS (purely for Reeve though.) However I can say MoS is better than Quest for Peace!
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I fail to see a problem with that.
It means most films tend to filter in the that bland 6.0-7.5 range, with no scaling.
I repeat:
I fail to see a problem with that.
"Scaling" is just a way to fit something to a pre-defined profile, which skews reality. Rating is, in my opinion, far more important than ranking. The vast majority of films I've seen I've ranked 6/10 or above. At the upper end of that is films I loved, where there aren't all that many. At the bottom end is films that either were great in some regards but heavily flawed in others, or were decent/well-made enough but didn't make much impact on me, which probably is a majority, but that accurately reflects my view. Ratings of 3-5 are fairly rare for me, and signify films that I genuinely thought really weren't very good at all, and ratings of 1-2 are rarer still and basically I found just terrible.
I find it very important to distinguish very between "decent but not great" and "awful". If I rank the films I've watched, or scale them to some pre-defined profile (which should be determined by who, by the way?), then perfectly decent films that simply weren't particularly to my taste end up in the bottom 20% alongside absolute shite. So the whole thing is meaningless.
TL;DR version: Ratings >>>> Rankings when it comes to the arts.
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I care about critics if it's a film I've been looking forward to.
After the disappointment of Man of Steel, I can't really say that I'm looking forward to any of the DC films, at least not the same way that I look forward to Marvel films.
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The great irony:
>Rotten Tomatoes gets called out for being biased, paid off for giving DC bad reviews
>Rotten Tomatoes is actually 30% owned by Warner Brothers
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I don't think they're paid at all. Just some sense of instahate at this point.
When I see it, I will agree if it's good or not. Until then, it's just a bunch of dudes who make a living of reviewing.
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Yeah, but it's how they make their living. Not just fanbois on the street spouting their opinions.
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First Trump is a spy for Hillary now this? Why do conspiracy theories sound so dumb?
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First Trump is a spy for Hillary now this? Why do conspiracy theories sound so dumb?
lol
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So from what I've gathered from critics that I very much trust, is that the characters are largely good (specifically Will Smith and Margot Robbie) and the first 30 minutes or so are pretty good, but then the movie completely falls apart on a story, narrative and development level. I've heard it likened it to the last Fantastic Four movie but with better leads.
Also apparently people are quite split on Joker, which I expected. And as I totally expected, he's almost a non-event.
Then again, most movie goers don't care much about story, writing, character development, logic or thought. They want fun, action and explosions if possible, so they'll probably like any of these movies just fun.
Still going to see it over the weekend. The trailers looked so good, so I want to see for myself what happened.
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Just saw a sold out showing of Suicide Squad and....
It's not the masterpiece we all wanted it to be. But it's not the disaster the critics are painting it to be. You can tell where the WB suits stepped in and ordered reshoots to make it "more funny." Those scenes stick out like a sore thumb. What a hatchet job, just like the theatrical cut of Dawn of Justice. I sincerely hope that David Ayer will be able to release the movie he wanted to make, because I have a feeling it's a better cut than what's released.
The story structure is a mess. It gets overly cute with reveal after reveal instead of simplifying a story. What isnt a mess are the characters, who were treated with love. Comic book fans will be glad to hear that Margot Robbie absolutely killed it as Harley Quinn, and I expect we'll see more of her in future DC films. The Suicide Squad comics usually surrounded their stories around Deadshot, and this is very much so in this film. Will Smith was awesome, and I hope we see him more in this role. Jared Leto was a wonderful Joker, and I can't wait for this universe to explore more of his character and make him the main villain in a movie. Captain Boomerang better be the villain for the Flash movie! The best moments of the movie were when the entire Squad was together.
The look of the film was beautiful, and some shots were brilliant. David Ayer can shoot the shit out of a movie, which is indicated in Fury and End of Watch. Some of the music choices I felt was out of place, but I didn't expect a grand orchestrated score for a Suicide Squad movie.
So far, it's the best film of the DC Universe. It's a generic comic book movie that was serviced to the fans. Unfortunately, not everyone is familiar with the Suicide Squad, and they told a story to where you have to some knowledge of the comics. I will reiterate that it is not the bad movie the critics have made it out to be. I give this a decent 6/10
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The DC guys should demand creative freedom to the WB men like DT after Falling Into Infinity.
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Saw it today. Really underwhelmed.. :\
I liked a lot of it, but in the end its just a mess. What a shame..
The positives:
- The team and their chemistry was great. Every actor does a really good job (even Jai Courtney!). Viola Davis, Will Smith and Margo Robbie especially shines.
The BIG negatives:
- Story
- The music... so annoying at times..
- Flow (cut, cut, cut)
- Worst villain in a comic book movie ever! :facepalm:
As for the Joker, I liked Leto's performance. However, he's barely in it! I kind of suspected it, but why put him up front in all the trailers when he's in the movie for like 10 minutes in total?? He defenitely has to be in the movie - his character needs to be there to set up Harleys origin. But they shouldn't have focused on him so much in the marketing. People are going to be so disappointed if they think he's the star of the film.
I give it 6/10.
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I was going to go see it but after reading that nearly all of The Joker's scenes were cut, I've lost interest. That really irks me when the fucking same people (or in cahoots with the people) that paint the movie as having a character in it that is a big part of it then cut their scenes and they're hardly in the movie. Especially with someone as iconic as The Joker and for SUCH A HUGE, MASSIVE DEAL they made. I mean really, they focused every single media blitz entirely on The Joker with the other peeps on the sideline. It's just crazy; I've read a few interviews now about how let down Leto is that they cut nearly all of his scenes and portrayed it in the movie in such a random and jarring way.
I'll catch it on On Demand one day down the line. Or even better, if they do some kind of BD Ultimate Cumshot edition that these people are so fond of doing and put in his scenes, I might be roped into buying that perhaps.
Overall DC's campaign is unfolding in the exact way I thought it would, to a T. They're caught playing catch up and are forced to jumble all this shit into a few films instead of taking their time over the course of years and now it's more or less a big fuckin mess. Meh. I wish they would've taken their time, there's a shitload of potential there and there are some really great bits to their movies but they're marred by the overall set up and structure of the films. But y'know...MONEY. MONEY RIGHT MEOW.
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Snippets from a fresh interview with Leto: https://variety.com/2016/film/news/suicide-squad-jared-leto-joker-scenes-cut-deleted-1201831587/ (https://variety.com/2016/film/news/suicide-squad-jared-leto-joker-scenes-cut-deleted-1201831587/)
I just can't understand why they left so much out. I'm not saying he should be the STAR of the movie, but they marketed it as he kind of was. And it's such a waste, because the scenes he was in was absolutely fantastic!
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Just saw it. I'm very sad over this being a bad movie.
Most of the comedy was just cringe-worthy. It felt like a mess. There seemed to be no thought given to pacing at all. And I know this movie was supposed to be a bit silly, but it got silly in all the wrong ways, to the point where it's just dumb. And one part involving watching destruction on monitors felt like I was watching Austin Powers or something. We had a good laugh about that for maybe 5 minutes when we talked about it after the movie, it was absolutely unintentionally hilarious.
Joker was fine, but like many have said, he's barely in it. But when he is he's fine. Also Harley Quinn is also good for the most part, aside from a few forced "funny" lines. Deadshot was also mostly cool, and I liked the Justice League hints.
Overall though, this movie is mostly some sort of weird cartoon, and it makes me very sad that it failed like this.
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I think this movie was hard to do wrong. It was harder to do wrong because there was a lot of source material, great actors and it was in a good position.
But somehow they managed to make the same stupid pacing mistakes.
Now, it isn't bad, not like the critics said, it's just horribly underwhelming.
If this was just a random superhero movie, it's just k, but as part of a supposed larger system of films, it was harder to fuck up.
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Sounds like the biggest issue is pacing again. Think I'll probably wait for another "ultimate cut" or similar, like I did with BvS!
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Sounds like the biggest issue is pacing again. Think I'll probably wait for another "ultimate cut" or similar, like I did with BvS!
I think I read that the theatrical cut is the only cut.
Seeing it tomorrow, I hope.
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I think this movie was hard to do wrong. It was harder to do wrong because there was a lot of source material, great actors and it was in a good position.
But somehow they managed to make the same stupid pacing mistakes.
Now, it isn't bad, not like the critics said, it's just horribly underwhelming.
If this was just a random superhero movie, it's just k, but as part of a supposed larger system of films, it was harder to fuck up.
I don't know, it's a big ensemble and similar to Avengers, it's hard to make a movie like this and give everyone the right amount of time to shine, the right time for character development and make everybody feel important. It's a tough balance to pull off, and judging by the sound of it, several of the squad members are either useless or demoted to one scene to give them character. I think the bigger question is WHY did DC feel the need to pull out Suicide Squad as their third movie while establishing their cinematic universe? Marvel didn't pull out Guardians of the Galaxy until way late in the game.
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The movie was awesome, and a lot of fun. Screw the haters. Anyone who thought that this was a Joker movie deserve to be disappointed by his lack of screen time.
And the villiain was far from the worst in comic book movie as someone stated above. I'd encourage that person to watch Iron Man 2 & 3, The Incredible Hulk, Thor 2, Catwoman for far worse villians.
Will Smith was fantastic.
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The villain was another generic "destroy the world" villain with yet another generic sky beam, only this was worse that the others because she kept doing ridiculous "magic" dance moves and kept saying bad dialogue and acted way too over the top.
One of my biggest problems with the movie is that it SO DAMN LARGE, when it would've been better just make it a bit smaller this time. The entire world doesn't have to be in danger in every damn movie. It makes for such bad moments when the villain and the "heroes" don't mesh. The Suicide Squad should have been sent on some covert secret (probably shady) military mission, not go up against an ancient witch with a silly cartoon brother taking over the world with a sky beam.
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I couldn't believe what I was watching.. this was probably the first time I seriously considered leaving half way into a movie, but I endured. Maybe Fantastic Four was slightly worse but oh boy, it's a close call.
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What is the villian going to do once they suceed in destroying the world?
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What is the villian going to do once they suceed in destroying the world?
Pretty sure that she didn't want to destroy the world rather kill all of the humans.
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Okay, saw Suicide Squad.
It's not just bad, but it's really frustratingly bad because it could have so easily been amazing. I actually liked most of the cast. Deadshot, Harley, Diablo, Flag, Boomerang, even Crock were all great. Enchantress started out cool but went real bad real quick. Didn't much care for Joker to be honest. He felt more like a collection of Joker mannerisms than an actual character.
But the writing, directing (yes, I'm blaming the director for this, not just the studio) and the whole editing/structure....everything else was just painfully awful.
Just poorly developed everything and the actual directing itself was not very good. Some cool shots, sure, but I really felt like 90% of the shots were closeups, which was weird.
The ending was also just truly terrible. I feel like they said "Hey let's just do what FF did....people loved that, right?"
And the worst part? Googling that super hot girl who played Enchantress, only to find out she's blonde. Ewwww.
Eh. I felt like it's like if they someone was trying to make a cake and was told "A cake is just flour, sugar, eggs and butter" And the chef went like this
Well, we'll get the best butter....top quality flour and sugar, best eggs around......and to bake this cake, we'll use 30 cups of flour, 6 pounds of sugar, 1 egg and half a tea spoon of butter. What could go wrong?
Oh and for a finish? Let's just dowse it with maple syrup!
So much potential, and just such horrible execution. Real shame.
Few more thoughts: Jai Courtney is finally good. Will Smith has so much damn charisma that I'm not sure we can handle it. Amanda Waller might be the dumbest character I've seen in a long time. Just pure stupidity through and through.
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And the worst part? Googling that super hot girl who played Enchantress, only to find out she's Cara Delevingne. Ewwww.
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I don't get how a film that cost so much looks so cheap. The settings are boring, the CGI is awful, the editing on the fights is choppy.
I didn't really buy Smith as Deadshot, just felt like Will being Will and all the moral compass stuff made Deadshot not really feel like he was ever a villain. Robbie was a great Harley, but the script served her with a bunch of weak one liners that rarely hit the mark. Croc and Boomarang really shouldn't have bothered turning up - Croc had about 6 lines of dialog and Boomarang did nothing. The big evil was just sort of there doing evil stuff that really didn't make any sense and El Diablo vs 'Her brother' was some of the worst CGI this side of the Scorpion King. The big evil's henchmen looked like walking blackberries (and offered about as much threat as you'd expect from walking fruit).
But the worst thing was The Joker. Jesus what a tryhard "Look at me i'm mental'. I bet he has a 'You don't have to be mad to work here, but it helps!!' sign on his door.
I'll give it 4/10. Everything about it is was lower really, but Robbie evelates it to a 4.
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Just got back from seeing it. It was ok, entertaining, but I agree with a lot that has been said. Especially the flow of the movie, jesus tap dancing christ was it choppy as fuck.
Harley was cute as hell though.
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Just got back from seeing it. It was ok, entertaining, but I agree with a lot that has been said. Especially the flow of the movie, jesus tap dancing christ was it choppy as fuck.
Harley was cute as hell though.
I actually feel bad for much of the rest of the cast. Everyone is talking about Harley (and rightfully so). Most people are talking about Joker (which I still really didn't like) and the rest are talking about Will Smith (also rightfully so), but Diablo, Crock, Boomerang and Katana all did fantastic jobs, even if some of them were there for absolutely no reason and had virtually nothing at all to do (also much like The Joker).
Also, quick question. What the hell purpose does Task Force X actually serve? Obviously not the one Waller originally pitched. The team has maybe 2 metahumans and only one of them has any actual ability. Seriously, "what if the next superman isn't so friendly?" Task Force X would go down in 10 seconds, and that's assuming the bad superman guy laughs about it for 9 seconds first.
Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Katana, Boomerang, Slipknot (don't forget him!), Crock, and uhhh was that it? They would have NO impact on an actual super powerful meta human. Absolutely none. Diablo? Maybe, but it really depends.
Honestly, the team should be designed for dealing with other humans, not superman type folk. Just a dumb idea. Much like everything else that happened in the movie.
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Yup, against a meta human with any semblance of ability they would in a real world be fucking toast.
And yup, all the other guys were cast well, but were buried to justify Smith's paycheck and show of Harley's ass (yum).
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Finished Batman v Superman, Ultimate cut or whatever.
Yup, absolutely no better. Makes more sense, in parts, but still a terrible movie. I noticed more so, this time, that there's only 3 good actors in the film. Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot and Jeremy Irons.
Amy Adams, Jesse Eisenberg, Henry Cavil were all atrocious. I cringed every time Superman spoke a single line.
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As Adami pointed out, it's so stupid that the Squad was going after a metahuman capable of destroying the world.
That would have made more sense in a Flash-movie or something.
The DCEU should learn from the animated series.
Has anybody seen Assault on Arkham? Thats a realistic task for the Suicide Squad.
Summary of the plot:
The Riddler gets captured by Batman and put into Arkham, but before he got captured he hid a thumbdrive with some important information about Wallers grand scheme somewhere. Task Force X gets sent Arkham to retrieve the drive. The Joker has a side-plot to sabotage the mission.
Easy plot, and a good movie.
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It was hilarious when they tried to justify the squad going up against the Enchantress and Incubus. Incubus was blasting things with his death tentacles all movie, but when the "heroes" are close and within his range HE STARTS KICKING THEM! Incredibly funny in all the worst ways. Same thing with Enchantress. "Enough!" and then snatches away all their weapons. Could she have done that all along? Was she fighting them earlier just for fun? Doesn't seem like something she'd do.
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I know some people said that about Avengers, like "what's Black Widow and Hawk Eye gonna do against aliens?" but in Suicide Squad it was far worse because most of them had no powers and should have been useless. I could see the need for Pyro, maybe even Deadshot. But really, Harley Quinn with her bat and Captain Boomerang with his boomerang, that's what you're sending against a witch?
My opinion on the film is probably controversial because I hated it so much that it's down there with Fantastic Four for me, there's just so many things that bothered me. By far the worst DCEU film.
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By far the worst DCEU film.
I agree. Despite being flawed, I actually enjoy both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. So yeah, this one is the worst one by far.
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I don't love MoS or BvS, but I look at both and I see movies that feel like completed movies. Sure, theatrical cut of BvS was a mess, but the Ultimate Cut felt like a movie at least. Both MoS and the ultimate cut of BvS still has problems and Zack Snyder made choices that didn't quite work for me, but they still feel like finished movies. Suicide Squad definitely felt closer to Fantastic Four, you could see the two different visions (director and studio) and how it clashed.
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I just remembered something I hated about BvS. The action fight scene in Batman's future dream. I mean, was this really done by the same guy who did the rescuing Martha scene? It's literally a bunch of heavily armed men standing around waiting to be punched by Batman and doing virtually no fighting in the slightest bit.
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Yeah, that was one weirdly done fight scene.
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https://www.screengeek.net/2016/08/12/open-letter-from-former-wb-employee-bashes-ceo-zack-snyder-wonder-woman/
:lol
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I dunno, I actually loved The Hobbit trilogy.
I'm a huge fan of the novels (even The Silmarillion, which seems to get a lot of hate for being too much) and I always tho the criticism was needlessly harsh. I tried looking at them from a non-reader point of view, and I can only argue the first film's lenght, but that's it, and maybe that they didn't use the full time for the third film, but that would have ensured even worse reviews.
The additions were good, I enjoyed Legolas being there, I tho the experience was more vivid, and Tauriel character was alright, I don't see the hate on it.
Anyway, the letter is cringeworthy.
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BTW.
Many of the films listed there were box office successes, isn't that what matters?
What's the point of making 10/10 films if you're only getting half the budget in box office?
Sure quality should be there, and it certainly isn't in a lot of the cases, but saying that WB has totally failed, well, not really.
DCEU isn't stopping because it's earning money, and I've never seen a franchise stop because of bad reviews, in that case, Adam Sandler would have stopped filmmaking a long time ago.
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Is it what matters? Yes.
Should it be what matters? No.
In the end, audiences (by and large) have ruled that poorly written, poorly made films that entertain them to some extent are actually more valuable than well written, well directed films.
Hence, more and more films like Transformers and Suicide Squad and BvS. Why try to make a good film when people prefer poorly made ones?
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Aside from The Hobbit, I've never denied their lack of quality, specially in their Sci-fi films and Pan which totally sucked ass.
But look, every Transformers film is more succesful than the previous one, and I'm sure the next one will cross the billion mark too.
And I'm sure the DCEU will continue to miss until they're proven that their poor writing will hurt their box office, which hasn't happened in enough extent to make it visible.
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Aside from The Hobbit, I've never denied their lack of quality, specially in their Sci-fi films and Pan which totally sucked ass.
But look, every Transformers film is more succesful than the previous one, and I'm sure the next one will cross the billion mark too.
And I'm sure the DCEU will continue to miss until they're proven that their poor writing will hurt their box office, which hasn't happened in enough extent to make it visible.
Yea. Which is my point. You don't need a good movie to make a billion. DC seem to be under the impression that mindless entertainment is what the masses want. As far as I can tell, the SS box office is supporting that theory. BvS just didn't have a moment's fun to it. You take the same horrible story and horrible acting (with exceptions) of BvS but add in some fun, it would have made well over a billion.
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My turn to see SS.
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My turn to see SS.
Are you still alive?
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Nope, I died.
After reading reviews I went in thinking it would be terrible. I came out surprised that I liked it. Was it on the level of any Marvel films? Not even close but it was better than BvS.
A lot of the complaints about this group not being able to stop a God but let's be honest, evil would always win if that was the case. It's always been like that in cartoons. The impossible happens.
Margo and Will stole the show.
7/10
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I have a ton of complaints about that film, between my complaints and all of the complaints I've read about, the probability of defeating the villain was very very low on most people's lists.
It's actually unfortunate for the cast that they were in this movie. They were deserving of so much better. (except Slipknot)
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I still feel it was better than BvS.
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I still feel it was better than BvS.
It's more fun than it for sure. I wouldn't say, as a movie, it's any better.
But people generally, especially with these types of movies, equate enjoyable with well made.
I mean, it's better than any of the Transformers movies, and even if it is better than BvS, that's a really low bar to set.
I just don't see how "bad story, plus bad writing, plus bad editing, plus a complete lack of logic, plus underutilized characters, plus two really good performances" equates good movie.
I dunno. Guess it's just hard to see standards dropping so low as to say "this was pretty fun, so I will ignore the problems and say it's a good movie and be okay with them making more movies of this quality".
Maybe it's because I'm a comic book fan and I don't equate them to silly mindless fun.
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I cannot stand the Transformers movies. I understand what you are saying and when you look at the Marvel films it's not even a race.
Sometimes, a fun movie does outweigh the faults. This is one. Still I'm not praising it at all.
Maybe my expectations were so low that it helped with my perception.
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I thought BvS was meh (the theatrical cut was about a 5/10, ultimate cut 7/10) but Suicide Squad was more like 3/10 for me.
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But people generally, especially with these types of movies, equate enjoyable with well made.
No they don't, but many equate it with "good", which I don't see a problem. If I like a movie because it's well-made, or thought-profoking, or thrilling, or intense, or entertaining, or funny, or any combination of one or more of the above, then I like it. A good film doesn't have to hit all of those.
But well-made is very subjective too based on some of the characteristics you listed (story, writing, under-utilised characters).
I haven't seen the film, by the way, I just have a general dislike of any kind of snobbery. :lol
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Sometimes, a fun movie does outweigh the faults. This is one.
I agree with the bolded, but not with the rest. I felt that the "fun" in this movie was never natural, it felt like they trying to be fun, rather than just being fun. I didn't feel it. The faults in this movie are so large that, for me, the "fun" aspect does not save it.
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Hey, to each their own. It just was better than BvS. But still not on the level with any Marvel. My least favorite Marvel is The Incredible Hulk.
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I keep hearing that people thought Suicide Squad was fun and I really wish I shared that view. I mean, at least they tried to spice it up with jokes, but most of it fell really flat for me.
There was one scene that was so great and could have been a shining moment, but they botched it. The gang is at the bar and they're drinking their troubles away before the final battle. Rick Flagg destroys his phone and says something like "You're all free to go, you don't need to help", followed by Captain Boomerang brilliantly exiting the bar immediately in a "Cya"-fashion. It was really great, but they screw it up 5 seconds later when he still shows up in the background and helps anyway. If they had made that scene his exit from the movie, it would have been really funny.
I liked Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn, but the jokes she got were mostly terrible. Like when she introduces herself to Katana on the chopper, "the smell of death" or these random lines that felt like improvisational outtake #57 "That's a killer app!". Captain Boomerang was probably the most funny, and that scene when he kinda tricks Slipknot into escaping and his head explodes, that was great. But most of the funny things were the subtle things. When they actually went for those big funny moments/funny lines, most of it fell so flat for me.
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Hey, to each their own. It just was better than BvS. But still not on the level with any Marvel. My least favorite Marvel is The Incredible Hulk.
Mine is probably the first Thor, which is also an example of a movie where the issues are too big for the "fun" to overcome. But at least in Thor the fun aspect feels natural, unlike Suicide Squad. I do enjoy, at least much of, The Incredible Hulk.
EDIT: Scrap that, I just now remembered that Ant-Man exists. Big issues and unnatural fun-ness.
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I haven't seen the film, by the way, I just have a general dislike of any kind of snobbery. :lol
I'm not sure if you're saying that about me, but I don't like the idea that having standards and being critical to any degree is being considered bad and snobby. Too critical is bad, but critical is good.
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The argument I'll never understand is when people defend a bad blockbuster movie with "I just wanted some dumb action". WHY?! There's plenty of great blockbuster films with heart, that are well made and doesn't suck ass. I don't feel like a movie being a blockbuster movie should disregard the need for a good characters or a coherent story.
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Dumb action is any Transformers movie. This is at least better than that.
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I loved Suicide Squad. So did my wife and daughter. Much better that S v. B.
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Have you guys seen this yet? I didn't see Suicide Squad but I thought this video was pretty funny.
Suicide Squad Sales Pitch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMNFaAUs2mo
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Nope, I died.
After reading reviews I went in thinking it would be terrible. I came out surprised that I liked it. Was it on the level of any Marvel films? Not even close but it was better than BvS.
A lot of the complaints about this group not being able to stop a God but let's be honest, evil would always win if that was the case. It's always been like that in cartoons. The impossible happens.
Margo and Will stole the show.
7/10
Pretty much my view. I came away feeling pretty much as expected before I watched it, which was just a fun movie. Come on people, we're talking a comic book movie here, it's not like it's going to win an Oscar.
Loved the chemistry between the characters, even Diablo had me surprised. I liked Boomerang and Katana very much, Killer Croc was well done. I understand there are a lot of Joker/Harly Quin scenes, which is a shame becuase they totally underused the Joker.
Also loved the surprise Flash scene. Margot Robbie is the star of the movie, but Will Smith surprised me pleasantly. I rate it just under Deadpool, which I put in the same catagory. I would like to see a sequel, hopefully with a better script.
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Pretty much my view. I came away feeling pretty much as expected before I watched it, which was just a fun movie. Come on people, we're talking a comic book movie here, it's not like it's going to win an Oscar.
A few comic book movies have actually won Oscars....
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Come on people, we're talking a comic book movie here, it's not like it's going to win an Oscar.
To me, that is no reason to settle for mediocrity.
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It may just be a superhero movie, but why settle for a Fantastic Four level movie when you can make a Dark Knight or Avengers level movie?
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I can separate that some cannot reach those levels. Look at the consistency of any movie Christopher Nolan directs. That's the cream of the crop. I know most cannot achieve that. Marvel is a we run machine and their level is just amazing.
I can still enjoy a movie not at that level. It's like music. Sometimes a simple pop tune is all I need and sometimes I want to listen to something complex. That being said, some do stink at a simple pop tune. The DC universe is ok so far. Great, no way. Still not as bad as the Transformer franchise.
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Come on people, we're talking a comic book movie here, it's not like it's going to win an Oscar.
To me, that is no reason to settle for mediocrity.
Me, either.
Doesn't matter what kind of film you are making. Any kind of film can be made well.
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I have seen Bat.v. Sup in theater. Then the ultimate edition. I have been a big critic of it .More I watch it, I realize it is not really that bad. Finally did a movie night with my twin 10 year old sons. They loved it. In a weird way..........I looked at the movie in a different way. It is not as horrible as I have had feelings on. Guess to each their own. But I think they can roll with it if they get a good story. Affleck is a smart dude. If the studio gives him some sort of control, they may be able to wonders with the Batman/Superman/Justice League/universe.
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I have seen Bat.v. Sup in theater. Then the ultimate edition. I have been a big critic of it .More I watch it, I realize it is not really that bad. Finally did a movie night with my twin 10 year old sons. They loved it. In a weird way..........I looked at the movie in a different way. It is not as horrible as I have had feelings on. Guess to each their own. But I think they can roll with it if they get a good story. Affleck is a smart dude. If the studio gives him some sort of control, they may be able to wonders with the Batman/Superman/Justice League/universe.
I saw the Ultimate Edition recently and I think I actually liked it less. Yes, 2 or so things were explained a little more, but not to any amount of satisfaction. The rest of the movie is still pretty terrible, in my opinion of course.
With the exception of Batman's warehouse fight scene, most other non-dream-state Batman scenes, and Wonder Woman's 10 minutes of screen time.
I have to give DCEU credit for being able to sprinkle in hope for future movies among their other ones. I didn't like Man of Steel, BvS or Suicide Squad, but for some reason, I'm still excited for Wonder Woman and especially The Flash.
Also, apparently Jared Leto is pretty pissed at WB about his treatment there.
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Okay, so went and watched Suicide Squad last night..
My expectations couldn't have been lower, i was preparing for the worst. Guess what? I didn't hate it.
Negatives first:
You can clearly see that the WB-executives panicked after the results of BvS, and the final cut seemed like a desperate attempt to lighten up the mood. I'd say something like 30% of the jokes worked for me, and the other 70% fell completely flat. I'm sure, that the jokes that fell flat for me are from the reshoots. Also some of the dialogue was very cringe-worthy.
I couldn't care less about Enchantress and Incubus as the villains. I would have liked to see Enchantress in a better movie, but that is not going to happen now.
Stuff with Harley and Joker was the most interesting part with the movie, but there were huge chunks taken out of that. So it felt very disconnected from the rest of the movie.
Positives:
The performances from everyone involved, were spot on. You can see that David Ayer knows how to direct a large group of actors, and direct them well. The group chemistry also hit home for me.
I'm not completely sold on Leto as the Joker and he has very little to do here, but it's a solid start and he can improve in the future.
The jokes that did work for me, worked very well. Jai Courtney was funny as hell. Overall i had enough fun with the movie, that i can look past some of the flaws in the film.
It's not the Suicide Squad movie i wanted to see, but i had a good time overall. Haven't seen the BvS Extended cut, but this is better than BvS theatre cut.
6.5/10
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Anyone seen this? The new "tactical suit" for the Justice League movie.
(https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2016/09/benaffleckbatman.jpg)
People are slamming it for looking too much like Nightowl in the Watchmen movies.
Personally it doesnt bother me. From the neck down it looks like something from the Arkham Series. The goggles are kind of wierd, but I guess we'll see what purpose they have in the movie.
I think the suit would have been perfect if they went for the glowing eyes-thing they did with the armored suit in BvS.
What do you guys think?
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People can complain 24/7. Thank you Internet.
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I don't know. It definitely resembles the character from Watchmen.
It's hard to say anything good about it without seeing it in action, or knowing the need of it. It may be needed, I don't know. But without that knowledge, it looks like "trying to be edgy and different for the sake of being edgy and different".
One of the (few) things done right in BvS was the look of Batman. I just don't know why they would try to make a change.
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Happy Batman Day ya'll! From Adam West to Kevin Conroy to Batfleck - May he always be the hero that we deserve, but not the one we need right now.
Speaking of Kevin Conroy, I recently watched Batman: Mask of the Phantasm the other day. Might have been the best Batman movie before the Christopher Nolan films
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I recently watched Batman: Mask of the Phantasm the other day. Might have been the best Batman movie before the Christopher Nolan films
I can categorically prove that it is, in fact, not the best Batman movie.
Did it have shark repellent? Exactly.
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:lol Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb
I assume you know about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R1Q8U80fQI
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I would pay good money for a dark gritty remake of the 60's Batman movie.
I don't mean rewrite it. Oh no. I just want all modern style effects, modern dark gritty costume designs and settings with actors giving dark gritty performances (basically I want it to look exactly like a modern DC movie) but keep the exact same script, word for word, of the original.
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Dude that Shark scene would be lit :rollin
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Dude that Shark scene would be lit :rollin
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DH5Vy47T7hY/hqdefault.jpg)
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So The Flash just lost its director.
Not sure if it's important or not.
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Looking at the movies he's directed, I'm OK with it Adami.
Now, I hope you all have shark repellant spray in your utility belt.
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So The Flash just lost its director.
Not sure if it's important or not.
Pretty sure it's not important to ME.
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I don't love Man of Steel of Dawn of Justice, and I think Suicide Squad is trash, but for some reason I have been super hyped about the Justice League movie lately. I just want to see it.
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I also want to see it.
Hopefully they don't fuck it up.
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It's just exciting that we're finally going to get a Justice League film. There's been a few times that a JLA movie has been in development, most famously the George Miller film that starred Arnie Hammer as Batman. It only took WB to create a movie universe for DC Comics. It's amusing that just like The Avengers was created after the success of Justice League of America comics, the DC Extended Universe was created after the success of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
I don't want to start a DC vs Marvel thing, because my god, what a time it is to be alive and to be a comic book fan.
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New Wonder Woman trailer! Looks great ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q8fG0TtVAY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q8fG0TtVAY)
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I'm not as sold as most people on WW. One moment it looks like a serious movie dealing with war and the consequences of it, and then it goes full on Xena warrior princess.
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But she is a warrior princess. :lol
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But she is a warrior princess. :lol
Yeah.
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But she is a warrior princess. :lol
Sure but the tone still feels off. You don't make a dark & serious tone about Xena. But I'm also worried because Gal Gadot is not a great actress and in every scene of the trailer she looks confused. It's one thing to appear in limited scenes in a team-movie and do well and another to carry your own movie.
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Of all the DC movies I'm not too worried about this one. I can't tell you why.
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Of all the DC movies I'm not too worried about this one. I can't tell you why.
It's because even though she is one of the Big 3, she is definitely 3rd out of 3, so if it sucks it doesn't matter as much as the other 2 sucking.
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I understand your thought process but this is really the first treatment as a lead for Wonder Woman. That should make anyone worried but I'm not.
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I could see the reasoning because Zack Snyder isn't behind the camera so this movie could theoretically benefit from that. I hope the movie wins me over. I'm really not interested in Wonder Woman or her own movie, but I'm also that dumb guy who goes and sees every superhero movie so this will be no different. Maybe it will win me over, maybe it won't. I think the trailers have been fine so far, I'm not as sold on them as a lot of people, but they also haven't been that bad either so.
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I haven't seen the other DCU films in theaters, and I won't see that one in theater either.
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What else is weird is that 2 trailers have been released and the movis is what, 8 months still out? That feelsounds like a mistake to me.
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What else is weird is that 2 trailers have been released and the movis is what, 8 months still out? That feelsounds like a mistake to me.
It's a consequence of BvS and Suicide Squad's negative reception. They're putting out the Wonder Woman trailers as fast as they can to shift focus from "boy those movies were bad" to "look, this one will be better". Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but it is indeed very early to have put out 2 trailers. They risk over-exposing people to the point where we have seen the movie before it comes out (from 5 trailers) or they risk the buzz dying off before the movie comes out. But it is very much their response to how people responded to BvS and SS.
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I have this strong feeling that the WW movie will be fine. Not especially good, not especially bad, just "eh, it was fine".
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I just saw Suicide Squad - The Extended Edition.
The original version is a 6/10 IMO. I give the extended version 6.3/10. Some cool extra scenes, but they didn't really do anything to make the movie better.
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I saw that extra scene of Dr. Quin..whatever chase down Joker on the motorcycle?
Oh god, it was awful.
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Finally saw Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice.
I cried on the inside. What I saw on screen were largely NOT the characters I loved from my comic-collecting days. Although Wonder Woman was pretty cool.
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Not that it needed confirmation, but I can now confirm that Suicide Squad was truly awful. And on so very many levels that it is hard to do justice to just how bad it was. But perhaps on just the most fundamental level, the two biggest flaws were that the plot was inane and unbelievable, and so were the characters.
As far as the characters, perhaps the biggest shame of it all is that there was just so much potential. Growing up, I was always a Marvel guy, to the point where I practically ignored D.C. I mean, I know who some of these characters are. But aside from Joker and Harley, I don't feel like I know any of them well. But even coming in with that dearth of knowledge, I could see so much missed potential. There were moments in the first 1/3 or so of the movie where Harley in particular really made me smile and say, "Even though this movie is failing, I LOVE this character." But that pretty much dissolved in the latter half of the movie. The Fresh Dead Shot of Bel Air was likeable, and you couldn't help but root for him at times. But...eh. Enchantress was pretty cool when she was in creepy mode before she and her brother went all Gozer the Destroyer for some reason that was not explained nearly well enough. But the biggest problem was that these characters just never felt like they were who they were supposed to be, if that makes sense. They never REALLY felt like villains beyond the first few minutes of the film. They were just...not very good guys that just kinda wanted to be friends and wanted to escape, but instead decided to bond for no apparent reason.
I went into this with very low expectations, so I'm kind of surprised that I am this disappointed. Perhaps that is because the beginning of the film was actually pretty good at points and made me think it was going to be better than it was. I dunno. I just know that, in the end, it's a perfect entry in a series of D.C. failures.
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For me, Suicide Squad failed immediately during the opening scenes. I don't know how long the exposition-force-feeding character introducing dump montage lasted, but what felt like 10 entire minutes of that stuff had passed, I knew DC had screwed up. And it didn't get better from there.
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Even though that was a really hamfisted way of, as you put it, "exposition-force-feeding character introducing," I was okay with it.
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THIS IS KATANA!
SHE'S GOT MY BACK!
I WOULDN'T ADVISE GETTING KILLED BY HER........HER SWORD TRAPS THE SOUL OF ITS VICTIM......
That is essentially my go-to to show how horribly lazy the film is.
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As bad as BvS was, Suicide Squad was far worse for me. At least BvS had a good Batman. Suicide Squad was 2 hours of misery and probably the worst movie in 2016 for me.
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Yeah it's currently and so far firmly at the bottom of this year for me too.
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New pic from Justice League :metal
(https://screenrant2.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Entire-Justice-League-team-together.jpg?auto=format&lossless=1&q=40&w=786&h=524&fit=crop)
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I'm gonna see it because I like Ben Affleck as Batman and I'm one of those dummies who will pay for a superhero movie no matter how bad it looks, but it's hard for me to be positive after how the DC universe has gone so far. Especially with Snyder making this one too.
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I saw the Suicide Squad Extended Cut. My daughter got it for Christmas.
Wow, what a clusterfuck.
Still better than Batman v. Superman.
Good luck, Wonder Woman.
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I saw the Suicide Squad Extended Cut. My daughter got it for Christmas.
Wow, what a clusterfuck.
Still better than Batman v. Superman.
Good luck, Wonder Woman.
After seeing BvS and SS last year, and reading about some of the backstage drama happening at WB, i'm less and less interested in the future DC movies.
I'm still optimistic about Wonder Woman, but latest rumors say that Justice League is another "mess".
Damn shame.
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I actually don't have high hopes for Wonder Woman. The trailers look like it's a bit over the top on the silliness, which I doubt will do well. I hope I'm wrong.
However, what little we saw fro JL looked surprisingly good. Who knows?
When BvS trailers came out, everyone was optimistic and figured that movie would fix the DCEU.
When the SS trailer came out, everyone was optimistic and figured that movie fix the DCEU.
Now same with Wonder Woman. I'll give DC this, they know how to make misleading trailers.
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I saw the Suicide Squad Extended Cut. My daughter got it for Christmas.
Wow, what a clusterfuck.
Still better than Batman v. Superman.
Good luck, Wonder Woman.
I still need to watch Suicide Squd but I loved Batman v. Superman (extended edition). I never saw the original cut. I have such low expectations on Suicide Squad that I'm guessing I'll end up liking it as well.
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While I like Batman v Superman, it is a bit of a mess, but it still feels like a pretty competently made mess. Suicide Squad is just an insult to story telling and movie making from start to finish.
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I saw the Suicide Squad Extended Cut. My daughter got it for Christmas.
Wow, what a clusterfuck.
Still better than Batman v. Superman.
Good luck, Wonder Woman.
I still need to watch Suicide Squd but I loved Batman v. Superman (extended edition). I never saw the original cut. I have such low expectations on Suicide Squad that I'm guessing I'll end up liking it as well.
Well I finally watched this over the weekend and it was just as bad as most people said it was. Terrible, simply terrible. I feel like they could have taken any person on the planet who enjoys comic book movies and asked for feedback and the movie would at least have been watchable. There were two things I enjoyed: 1. The Batman scenes were cool and 2. Harley's many ass shots. I slept during the last 30 minutes or so. I did enjoy Man of Steel and BvS and I'm looking forward to Wonder Woman and Justice League but I'm just going to pretend that Suicide Squad doesn't exist.
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Affleck has stepped down as director for Batman. Seemed inevitable.
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Big disappointment. Hope it's not because he thinks the script is bad.
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Didn't Geoff Johns and Affleck co-write the script?
It's very disappointing, indeed. But I truly believe that Affleck felt that it was way too much pressure on him. After he signed on as director two huge DC-movies bombed critically. Affleck is a respected director, and he knows that if this movie fails, his directing-carreer might be over. And, writing, directing, producing and starring in a movie of this scale is insane.
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I think the bombing of his recent film had something to do with this.
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Affleck is one of the best directors working in Hollywood today!
He is smart enough not to go down with a sinking ship, and tank he's career in the process.
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So basically the little hope we still had for DC to turn their universe around disappeared. Affleck stepping down is a clear indication that WB are interfering with the movie he wants to make, probably so they can shove in scenes setting up 3-4 future movies and random guest appearances to make us remember that this takes place in the DCEU.
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I don't know, he's still heavily involved so I'm not too concerned. I will be more concerned if Wonder Woman and justice league suck as bad as the abomination that was suicide squad.
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I find it very disappointing. Ben has really come on as a director.
Jimmy, did you read of the WB interference or just your theory?
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boy oh boy cant wait for DAT Aquaman movie dat i've been counting down the days for !!!!!
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2017/01/31/ben-affleck-quits-as-the-batman-movie-director/#361a2d947a7a
Sounds like there is a lot more going on than just Ben stepping down as director
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I find it very disappointing. Ben has really come on as a director.
Jimmy, did you read of the WB interference or just your theory?
I mean everything points to that. Just recently Ben Affleck went out and said he wouldn't do it if the script wasn't good enough, and he is the guy writing the script. The only reason for him saying that in my mind would be sending some signals to the WB people that "hey, let me make my movie" and someone wanting to change the script he is working on.
And I mean given how the movies have turned out so far, with both BvS and Suicide Squad ending up with the same fate of being a jumbled mess due to studio interference, but "hey there's a director's cut that's better".
Heard some early whispers that Wonder Woman is not looking too good (too early to say for us since we haven't seen it) but I honestly would not be surprised. I feel like companies rarely make smart decisions when they have dug themselves into a corner (see Sony with their Amazing Spider-Man films). I think the pressure on DC to deliver a solid movie is too high and I think they will fail personally.
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Very good incite by you Jimmy.
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Not sure where else to put this, and it's probably common knowledge but...
I just recently read that part of the opening montage of The Watchmen includes the original Night Owl punching out a guy who was about to shoot a wealthy couple outside of a movie theater, the woman wearing pearls. So I watched it and noticed that on the walls in the background were posters of the original 66' Batman show.
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Not sure where else to put this, and it's probably common knowledge but...
I just recently read that part of the opening montage of The Watchmen includes the original Night Owl punching out a guy who was about to shoot a wealthy couple outside of a movie theater, the woman wearing pearls. So I watched it and noticed that on the walls in the background were posters of the original 66' Batman show.
Never noticed that! Im gonna have to rewatch that because that's a pretty cool easter egg!
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I love the Watchmen movie.
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New Wonder Woman trailer has dropped!
https://youtu.be/INLzqh7rZ-U
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That looks great!
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It definitely looks better than the first 3 films of this "universe".
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It definitely looks better than the first 3 films of this "universe".
That it does.
Man of Steel, BatMan V Superman and....what was the third one ?
Oh Suicide Squad...
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Yeah.
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It looks good, but I'm really not impressed by any of it to be honest. As much as I liked Gal Gadot in BvS, she's really not inspiring me much in these trailers, nor is the dialogue in general.
I hope I'm wrong, and I'll for sure go see it, but I'm not filled with confidence the way everyone else is.
Then again, I thought the trailers to BvS and Suicide Squad were amazing, so maybe this will be the reverse of that.
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I didn't bother with that one but I heard it was awful.
I think Zack Snyder is the wrong person to be making these films.
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I think Zack Snyder is the wrong person to be making these films.
I agree, but he didn't make Suicide Squad or Wonder Woman.
Well, he didn't direct them. I guess he probably is an executive producer or something.
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It looks good, but I'm really not impressed by any of it to be honest. As much as I liked Gal Gadot in BvS, she's really not inspiring me much in these trailers, nor is the dialogue in general.
I can't say I really remember any dialogue from the trailer - don't think there even was much was there? Other than little snippets.
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So, Ben Affleck has been treated for alchohol addiction. Why he left the directors chair for the new Batman-movie makes even more sense now.
Poor guy..
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So, Ben Affleck has been treated for alchohol addiction. Why he left the directors chair for the new Batman-movie makes even more sense now.
Poor guy..
Yeah I don't think that has anything to do with it :lol
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It might have a little bit to do with it, but it's definitely not the defining factor of why he decided not to direct it.
Regardless, good for him on getting his life together. In his statement, he said he wanted to be a better father figure for his children. I think it's great he took these steps.
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Clearly he needs to be friend with Kevin Smith again.
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I think the connection to draw from it is that the DCEU drove Ben Affleck to alcoholism :P
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I think the connection to draw from it is that the DCEU drove Ben Affleck to alcoholism :P
At first it was just the movie that had dailies.
:hat
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OMG! Justice League trailer dropping this Saturday!! :o
Short teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eJ7NGllyw0
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Cool, it'd be nice if they finally made a good movie.
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Cool, it'd be nice if they finally made a good movie.
But DC keep hitting home runs!
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DC have also worn out their welcome with great trailers. They're no longer enough to get me excited about the movie.
MoS? Good trailer. Horrid movie.
BvS? Great trailer. Not a good movie.
Suicide Squad? Amazing trailer. Awful movie.
Wonder Woman? Boring trailers.........potentially good movie.
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Cool, it'd be nice if they finally made a good movie.
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Yeah even the worst MCU movie ( in my opinion ) Iron Man 2 - is still better than anything from the DCU thus far.
Man Of Steel could have been good but the last 40 minutes is just ridiculous. And then Supes smashing that spy plane and going " don't spy on me - I do what i want ".
Terrible.
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I like Man of Steel, but it completely missed the point of who Superman is.
I liked BvS when I first saw it, but the second time I was bored to death.
Suicide Squad was just...meh..
The trend so far has been, the better the trailer, the worse the movie.
I have no faith in Zack Snyder whatsoever, and I'm not very familiar with the work of Patty Jenkins (the WW director). What MAY save Wonder Woman and JL is the fact that Geoff Johns has been directly involved with both those movies. He was only involved with the last minute editing of Suicide Squad, and nothing could have saved that movie with what they had to work with. He is a great comic book writer, so I really hope he have guided Snyder some what..
However.. Johns was also an executive producer on Green Lantern........
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I blame the Dark Knight for all movies taking a darker grittier route.
MARVEL luckily know how to pitch their movies. But I wouldn't be shocked if they started getting darker from here on out.
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I so much want Justice League to be good. I was always a DC fan to begin with, since way before I knew anything about the Avengers. I'm also afraid and sort of expecting at this point that it won't be very good. But we'll see, I'm still very excited to see it.
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I didn't know what an MCU was until after I saw The Avengers on a whim. I only went because Joss Whedon directed it and I liked Firefly.
I loved it.
it was brightly lit. Had comedy. Fun characters. Action without being boring. Fight scenes that weren't *just* two people punching for 10+ mins.
Great uplifting score too.
Can you apply any of the above to any of the DCU movies ?
Edit - Actually I did like Wonder Woman's "theme". That was my favourite thing about BVS :biggrin:
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I blame the Dark Knight for all movies taking a darker grittier route.
MARVEL luckily know how to pitch their movies. But I wouldn't be shocked if they started getting darker from here on out.
I think Cap 2 and 3 are about as dark as Marvel will go. They're owned by Disney. Don't expect any R ratings or super gritty times.
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It seems like they are releasing 15 sec teasers of every JL character before the main trailer is released.
The last one was Aquaman, this is Batman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDZKPzEnZ-4 ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I blame the Dark Knight for all movies taking a darker grittier route.
MARVEL luckily know how to pitch their movies. But I wouldn't be shocked if they started getting darker from here on out.
This is a bit simplistic, as some of the dark, gritty comic book films (Dark Knight trilogy, Logan) have been amazing and some of the lighter ones have sucked. So the two are unrelated.
That said, MCU is consistently better than DCU at this point.
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I blame the Dark Knight for all movies taking a darker grittier route.
MARVEL luckily know how to pitch their movies. But I wouldn't be shocked if they started getting darker from here on out.
This is a bit simplistic, as some of the dark, gritty comic book films (Dark Knight trilogy, Logan) have been amazing and some of the lighter ones have sucked. So the two are unrelated.
That said, MCU is consistently better than DCU at this point.
If you compare the two chronologically :
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk ( Ed Norton )
Iron Man 2
Man Of Steel
BVS
Suicide Squad
Hulk and Iron Man 2 aren't the best but they're better than BVS & Suicide Squad respectively. Next up is Wonder Woman V Thor then Justice League vs The Avengers.
I think Phase I of the MCU is better so far just from having Iron Man 1.
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Personally I'd put MoS and BvS roughly on a par with Iron Man 2. But yeah, that's still the least good MCU film. :lol
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You can do dark and you can do light good or bad. Dark does not equate bad.
The Dark Knight is amazing.
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The Dark Knight is good but Chris Nolan needs to learn to kill his darlings.
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:lol
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I think the MCU has done almost everything better than the DCEU but one area the latter has absolutely blown MCU out of the water with is the scores. There isn't a single MCU movie with a memorable score, but both MoS and BvS have great ones. And for all the problems with Suicide Squad, the score isn't one of them. The soundtrack with all the pop songs? Sure, but not the original score.
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I think the MCU has done almost everything better than the DCEU but one area the latter has absolutely blown MCU out of the water with is the scores. There isn't a single MCU movie with a memorable score, but both MoS and BvS have great ones. And for all the problems with Suicide Squad, the score isn't one of them. The soundtrack with all the pop songs? Sure, but not the original score.
I agree that the MCU has totally forgettable scores, but I also can't remember much of the DCEU scores.
The one exception is Wonder Woman's theme. That is just a super cool theme.
I really wish the MCU would give their characters amazing memorable themes. Though, to be fair, nothing will ever top Danny Elfman's Batman theme.
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The Avengers title theme is the one that stands out for me.
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The MCU scores have been slightly forgettable but I can't say I like the DCEU scores that much either. The only theme that sticks to my mind is the Wonder Woman theme, because I hate it and it has managed to ingrain itself on my brain.
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Theory : Kevin Feige is giving Zack Snyder 10% of all of the MCU profits to make awful DCU movies :p :p
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I feel like Zack Snyder was such as mistake from the start. We're talking about the guy who said:
"Everyone says that about [Christopher Nolan's] Batman Begins. "Batman's dark." I'm like, okay, "No, Batman's cool." He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that's how that would go."
Yeah, that's really what I want from my Batman.
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And we really need a miserable Superman who doesn't save people.
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And we really need a miserable Superman who doesn't save people.
Urgh yeah that's even worse really. You really wanna contrast a dark Batman with a more heroic Superman who puts the lives of others over anything else. Like they pointed out hilariously in Half in the Bag, the heroic moments when Superman saves people in both MoS and BvS are shown like moments of burden for Superman. Like he has to interrupt his killing spree to go save some people from an oil rig.
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The biggest reason the DCEU has better scores in my mind is that they're connected. Superman has the same theme in MoS as in BvS, and the "emotional core" theme from BvS plays during a scene in Suicide Squad. The MCU has a revolving door of themes which may have been great if they stuck with it over time, but when the next movie comes it's all new and honestly pretty bland.
Having listened through most of the scores by themselves the DCEU ones are incredibly more memorable and unique. They also have a much larger feel. The MCU uses what feels like copy-paste scores, which is fine but never great.
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Full trailer :hefdaddy
https://youtu.be/3cxixDgHUYw
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeh.
I think I'm out of the superhero hype. Might be a good boring, lazy day flick to catch a year or two from now but other than that. *shrug*
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I felt the same with this trailer as I did with the Wonder Woman trailers, a big "OK". I don't see either films breaking the trend and being a 90% rotten tomatoes that people really like.
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeh.
I think I'm out of the superhero hype. Might be a good boring, lazy day flick to catch a year or two from now but other than that. *shrug*
BLEH.
Looks as bland and green-screened as every other DCEU movie so far. Yuk Yuk Yuk. And that one character who they're obviously hoping will do iron man business.
It's like DC have simultaneously learned nothing from all the negativity and are also trying to copy all the good ideas MARVEL are doing - yet getting it so, so wrong.
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I know special effects aren't 100% done but it looks like a video game. Just like BvS did and just like MoS did. I know these movies are full of CGI but somehow the DC ones end up looking much more fake than many of the other ones.
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Plus that same blue filter in every film.
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Looks okay.
I still am mostly interested in The Flash, though the way they're tackling his speed wasn't as interesting as other speedsters have been shown.
The humor was nice, and to me, Aquaman stole the trailer.
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeh.
I think I'm out of the superhero hype. Might be a good boring, lazy day flick to catch a year or two from now but other than that. *shrug*
BLEH.
Looks as bland and green-screened as every other DCEU movie so far. Yuk Yuk Yuk. And that one character who they're obviously hoping will do iron man business.
It's like DC have simultaneously learned nothing from all the negativity and are also trying to copy all the good ideas MARVEL are doing - yet getting it so, so wrong.
Dude, Warner Bros is not trying to copy anything that Marvel Studios has done. If that was the case, we'd have Aquaman, Flash, and Cyborg movies before Justice League comes out, and there'd be an over-arching plot throughout these films and phases that led to a big movie ala Infinity Wars. Warner Bros never said there was going to be a huge story arc with their DC Universe.
So based on both the comic-con and this teaser trailer, I think this looks solid. Again, Im not bothered by the tone or how animated the CGI looks (Avengers has a lot of cartoony CGI going on too btw). It's not even about if it's dark or if its light. It's about making a comprehensible story. Everything about the DCEU has been spot on except storytelling and editing. The problem with Snyder is that he has these ideas and places them in the movie like a push pin but never takes the time flesh them out, and sometimes there's just TOO many ideas going on. The Martha moment in BvS should have had more weight to it.
The Best thing to take away from this trailer is that we are going to get some of that dry Bruce Wayne humor. Its something only the Justice League animated show really captured perfectly (and by the Justice League animated series, I mean the Bruce Timm show from the early 2000s.) The "Maybe temporary" line at the end of this trailer was delivered perfectly. That makes this Batman fan really happy.
To add a note about the superhero scores: Hans Zimmer's Man of Steel score and his Superman theme is by far superior than anything that both DC and Marvel has put out. It's one of the best things about that movie. I'm agree with BlackInk's statements that the MCU scores feels copy and pastey.
All that being said, i'll be there opening day for every DC movie (and Marvel), whether if it's good or bad. I'd be remiss if I didn't say I'm estatic that im alive where Captain America and Wonder Woman movies are being made.
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Affleck as Batman is great and was a big highlight of the trailer for me, again my concerns are more with story and so on.
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Who came first Cyborg or Iron man ?
Because from that trailer it looks like the only reason Cyborg is there is so they can have their own Iron Man character...
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Who came first Cyborg or Iron man ?
Because from that trailer it looks like the only reason Cyborg is there is so they can have their own Iron Man character...
Iron Man, by almost 20 years.
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Good :p
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So it's like The Kinks = Iron Man and Oasis = Cyborg. :neverusethis:
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New Justice League trailer looks okay!
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeh.
I think I'm out of the superhero hype. Might be a good boring, lazy day flick to catch a year or two from now but other than that. *shrug*
BLEH.
Looks as bland and green-screened as every other DCEU movie so far. Yuk Yuk Yuk. And that one character who they're obviously hoping will do iron man business.
It's like DC have simultaneously learned nothing from all the negativity and are also trying to copy all the good ideas MARVEL are doing - yet getting it so, so wrong.
DC is not trying to copy Marvel, they are trying to scramble anything together, that might have a chance of competing with the MCU.
Let's hope that they have learned from their mistakes, and that they actually have a game plan for the future.
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Who came first Cyborg or Iron man ?
Because from that trailer it looks like the only reason Cyborg is there is so they can have their own Iron Man character...
No. Cyborg has become a very popular character in the DC comics the past 15 years, and because of how comic book readers embraced and love the character, he became a full time JL member. That's why he's in the movie because they are mainly basing this off the current JL roster.
Again, Warner Bros are not trying to copy Marvel.
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Also Cyborg doesn't seem very Iron Man-like. Whereas another DC character, Atom, seems to be just a cross between Iron Man and Ant-Man.
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Also Cyborg doesn't seem very Iron Man-like. Whereas another DC character, Atom, seems to be just a cross between Iron Man and Ant-Man.
Yea, not form a personality stand point (at least from the CW shows) but tech wise? Nearly identical.
He also came before either Iron Man or Ant-Man, though originally he bore no real resemblance to Iron Man. Pretty identical to Ant-Man though.
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This was just released. This is a picture of a younger and 30 lbs leaner Cavill in the Christopher Reeve outfit for his screen test for Man of Steel
(https://imageslogotv-a.akamaihd.net//uri/mgid:file:http:shared:newnownext.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Cavill_In_Reeve-Suit-1491747425.jpg?quality=0.8&format=jpg&width=980)
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Dolph Lundgren is going to play King Nereus in AQUAMAN!!!! Nereus is a newer villain that came out of the New 52 Aquaman lore but he's become a more popular character in the Aquaman comics, and has made few appearances in JL and Wonder Woman comics as well!
Dolph as King Nereus. Patrick Wilson as Ocean Master. And i'm counting on Yahya Abdul-Mateen II to have a more prominent role in the DCEU as Black Manta, especially if they eventually go the Legion of Doom route.
Im just jazzed about everything that's going on with Aquaman!
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First reactions to Wonder Woman from critics are extremely positive so far.
Trying not to get my hopes up!
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Unlike BVS, these early reactions are from critics and NOT fanboys. I had hopes up with the fan reactions myself. However, the critics destroyed BVS and Suicide Squad, and gave meh reviews to Man of Steel. The fact WW is getting such glorifying praise two weeks before release puts me at ease...whereas the previous films it was the day before and it was just a mountain of rage.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/85540ddb-2b78-4258-90e9-3641b3590ea0_zpse9c3zpdf.jpg)
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Honestly, WW just needs to be pretty good to be getting the praise it's getting.
It's like if you had a bunch of siblings who dropped out of highschool and became drug addicts. If you bring home a B on your report card, you're going to get "MY BOY'S A GENIUS!" remarks.
The most I've seen is that it was good, better than the other DCEU stuff (not too hard) and was often compared to Captain America: First Avenger, which was also...good, not great.
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Awful news from the Snyder family
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/zack-snyder-steps-down-justice-league-deal-family-tragedy-1006455
The filmmaker's daughter died by suicide in March, prompting him to take a break from work and hire Joss Whedon to finish the Warner Bros. superhero pic: "I’ve decided to take a step back from the movie to be with my family, be with my kids, who really need me."
Snyder tells The Hollywood Reporter he is stepping away from Justice League, Warner Bros.’ all-star DC Comics superhero mega-movie that is in postproduction, in order to deal with the sudden death of his daughter. Snyder's wife, Deborah Snyder, who is a producer on Justice League, also is taking a break to focus on the healing of their family.
Stepping in to shepherd the movie through post and the shooting of some additional scenes will be Joss Whedon, the Avengers filmmaker and creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. With Whedon's help, the movie is still on track for its Nov. 17 release date.
Snyder’s daughter, Autumn Snyder, died by suicide in March at age 20. Her death has been kept private, with only a small inner circle aware of what happened, even as the movie was put on a two-week break for the Snyders to deal with the immediate effects of the tragedy. Zack Snyder says he initially was eager to return to the film, which stars Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, Jason Momoa and Ezra Miller.
“In my mind, I thought it was a cathartic thing to go back to work, to just bury myself and see if that was way through it,” says an emotional Snyder in an interview Monday in his office on the Warner Bros. lot, with Deborah sitting by his side. “The demands of this job are pretty intense. It is all-consuming. And in the last two months, I’ve come to the realization … I’ve decided to take a step back from the movie to be with my family, be with my kids, who really need me. They are all having a hard time. I’m having a hard time.”
My deepest condolences to the Snyder family. No parent should have to go through this. No parent should bury their own child.
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That's just terrible :-[
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Awful.
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Man, that is horrible.
My hopes for him and his family.
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it is hilarious how terrible the DC cinematic universe has been so far. every film has been a critical and commercial flop. if wonderwoman and justice league bomb (and they likely will), dc should just cancel the cinematic universe altogether
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Man of Steel and Batman V Superman were big box office hits.
But I agree they were terrible.
..and that Dawn of Justice sounds like the latest Steven Seagal straight to DVD movie.
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Man of Steel was a moderate financial success, but batman vs superman was definitely a box office disappointment.
Suicide Squad was unwatchable.
I don't have high hopes for Wonder Woman or Justice League. DC is a joke compared to Marvel.
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Man of Steel was a moderate financial success, but batman vs superman was definitely a box office disappointment.
Man of Steel : Production Budget: $225 million : Box Office Gross : Worldwide: $668,045,518
" Moderate Success "
BatMan V SuperMan : Production Budget: $250 million : Box Office Gross : Worldwide: $873,260,194
" Box Office Disappointment "
I don't even like the films but they were not box office failures by any means.
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Following a strong debut that set new box office records, the film experienced a historic drop in its second weekend and never recovered. Despite turning a profit, it was deemed a box office disappointment and received generally unfavorable reviews from critics for its tone, screenplay and pacing, though some praised the visual style and acting performances.
"overall, BvS successfully relaunched DC's cinematic universe, but they are nowhere near Disney/Marvel in terms of critical reception and box office prowess. One can only hope that bigger and better is still on the way."[221] The film needed to reach $800 million in revenue at the box office to "recoup its investment" according to financial analysts.[222][223][172] Despite surpassing this amount, it was considered "a disappointment" for failing to reach $1 billion
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Making $800m and " shit we wanted a billion dollar movie " aren't the same thing.
If DC *wanted* BVS to make $2bn then $1.5bn would be a disappointment.
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I'm with Kotowboy on this. Critically it wasn't well received, but it made a shit ton of money. It absolutely was not a flop.
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Disappointment doesn't mean flop or failure.
But Iron Man 3 made a lot more money than Batman v Superman.
That has to be disappointing to DC.
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If a corporation makes $40bn net one year and $35bn net the next year - they look at it as a $5bn loss.
Even though they made $35bn - it would still be " a disappointment ".
That's the business talking and not the actual figures.
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Gonna be seeing Wonder Woman at an early screening tomorrow night, so I'm pretty excited for that! :tup
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Jealous!!!
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Just got back from seeing Wonder Woman- and I gotta say, this film just won back a ton of good will for the DCEU imo. I'm still pretty iffy on how Justice League will turn out, but goddamn Patty Jenkins and Gal Gadot nailed it with WW.
Best DC film since The Dark Knight in 2008, imo. The only film that rivals it for that title is The Lego Batman Movie.
Honestly, WW just needs to be pretty good to be getting the praise it's getting.
It's like if you had a bunch of siblings who dropped out of highschool and became drug addicts. If you bring home a B on your report card, you're going to get "MY BOY'S A GENIUS!" remarks.
The most I've seen is that it was good, better than the other DCEU stuff (not too hard) and was often compared to Captain America: First Avenger, which was also...good, not great.
That's largely because the film has a lot of similarities to First Avenger in terms of its content (i.e. period piece origin story set during one of the World Wars, an optimistic protagonist wanting to do their part to help better the world from a terrible war, etc).
IMO, Wonder Woman is considerably better. It's not the absolute best superhero film ever, but it's a top notch origin story film and by far the best film in the DCEU to date.
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Good to hear! :tup
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Good to hear! :tup
It's good to report too! :tup
If I had to make any comparisons in terms of overall quality, I'd probably say Wonder Woman is in a similar ballpark to Batman Begins.
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The embargo has been lifted, and Wonder Woman is generating mostly positive reviews! :metal
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So, the embargo for WW has been lifted, and I couldn't help but watch a couple of reviews.
Everyone seems to really, really like it. As of now, after 47 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, it has a score of 95. The hype is ON! Seeing it this thursday! :metal
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95%???
I guess its safe to say that the rumors that Disney is paying off the critics is false :lol
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95%???
I guess its safe to say that the rumors that Disney is paying off the critics is false :lol
Yeah it's almost like if DC made a good film it'll get good reviews - who'd have thought it :)
I prefer Marvel, it's simply what I grew up on - but the DC putting out good movies can only be a good thing, I look forward to seeing Wonder Woman and hope this is the start of a good run for DC.
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95%???
I guess its safe to say that the rumors that Disney is paying off the critics is false :lol
Yeah it's almost like if DC made a good film it'll get good reviews - who'd have thought it :)
I prefer Marvel, it's simply what I grew up on - but the DC putting out good movies can only be a good thing, I look forward to seeing Wonder Woman and hope this is the start of a good run for DC.
^ This.
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Well, more broadly I would argue that plenty of good movies have had bad reviews and mediocre reviews had great reviews. But that's by the by. :P
Glad to hear WW is being so well received! Hope it translates into a strong box office performance.
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Finally a good film in de DC spectrum of comic book films! Has been way too long. I look forward seeing it, I thought BvS and especially Suicide Squad were awful trainwrecks. Man of Steel was decent, but dissapointing. I already kind of wrote of WW because of it, but it seems this one actually has the quality.
I think this film needed the positive buzz, because I am not convinced WW is well known amongst us Europeans (or at least the Netherlands).
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Man of Steel was ok up until the final 40 mins.
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Yeah, Man of Steel had a hiccup here and there in the first two parts (most notably that tornado death scene), but it really got messy once it got into those last forty minutes.
Wonder Woman's third act also slides into big CGI action fest, as with most any superhero film these days, but it's also intertwined with some pretty important character stuff and a rather emotional sequence that I think was really well done.
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Wonder Woman has now jumped the rating to 97 on RT. That makes it the highest rated live action Superhero film on RT. The Incredibles is also rated 97. The Dark Knight is 94. Spider-Man 2 is 93.
And speaking of Man of Steel, I will always defend Supes decision to kill Zod
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Wonder Woman has now jumped the rating to 97 on RT. That makes it the highest rated live action Superhero film on RT. The Incredibles is also rated 97. The Dark Knight is 94. Spider-Man 2 is 93.
It's also brand new. It'll drop to a reasonable score eventually.
I'll see the movie at some point, but I wonder how much "it's a good movie" is being confused with "it's an amazing movie" simply because of the other DCEU movies.
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We shall see. But the few reviews that I have read don't even mention or compare the other DCEU flicks
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Lebanon has banned the film. No word on why but people are suspecting because Gadot is Israeli born and served in the Israeli army
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Lebanon has banned the film. No word on why but people are suspecting because Gadot is Israeli born and served in the Israeli army
Well yea, it's because she's Israeli.
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Wonder Woman has now jumped the rating to 97 on RT. That makes it the highest rated live action Superhero film on RT. The Incredibles is also rated 97. The Dark Knight is 94. Spider-Man 2 is 93.
It's also brand new. It'll drop to a reasonable score eventually.
I'll see the movie at some point, but I wonder how much "it's a good movie" is being confused with "it's an amazing movie" simply because of the other DCEU movies.
There's probably a bit of that. But in fairness, the DCEU has also had a lot of confusion between "it's not a very good movie" and "it's a total disaster" because of MCU and the Dark Knight trilogy, so that would even it out slightly.
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I just saw WW! It's really, really good! One of the action-sequences is one of the best I've seen in a long time. Gal Gadot kills it :metal Tons of fun, lots of heart :heart
They should just drop the whole extended universe thing and give her her own trilogy of movies.
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I too just came back from the viewing. To say it's the best movie in the DC Extended Universe doesn't do it justice, because it's one of the most special films of both DC, Marvel, and the entire Superhero movie genre. I was completely wowed the entire movie; of how beautifully shot it was, how masterfully the fantasy elements were woven in with gritty World War I, and how good and thorough Patty Jenkins was in building the title character. Oh, and Gal Gadot - killed it! She is Wonder Woman. She's fierce and graceful. Jenkins really got the best from her actors, which has one of my favorite Chris Pine performances.
It should set the tone for the DCEU. There was the maturity we know that comes with DC, but it was a lot of fun as well. The humor wasn't forced, and came naturally.
That No Mans Land sequence is one of the best Superhero action ever :tup
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Man of Steel was ok up until the final 40 mins.
Worst thing about Man of Steel in Henry Cavill - he's got the look, but he is dreadful as both Superman and Clark. It's odd because he can be a decent enough actor, but here (and Bats vs Supes) he's a complete charisma vacuum.
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Purchased tickets for tonight. Mrs. P and I are going for sushi and WW, my feminist cred just got a bit of a rise.
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I really hope we get another Patty Jenkins installment. What she did was WONDERful
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Mrs. P and I really loved it. Strangely, the film was similar in palette with the rest of the DCEU (so it feels like it belongs) but it was worlds different in tone, in the best way possible. Gal Gadot wears the mantle so comfortably it's mesmerizing. She looked more alien in an evening dress, which is really weird if you think about it. I love that while they added humor it wasn't a carbon copy of Marvel style. They stuck with situational humor which really flowed naturally considering the culture clash of the story. Anyway, I think it's the best Superhero film in years.
I also enjoyed watching in the presence of a crowd of women. They are quieter and smell better. I kid you not, the audience was easily 75% women. Many mothers and daughters. There were several women and girls out front of the cinema getting their picture taken in front of the giant banner of WW. My wife shed a few tears as she watched a mother and little girl (in full costume) smile brightly for the camera. It was actually quite moving.
I really hope we get another Patty Jenkins installment. What she did was WONDERful
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Just saw it. They did a great job, probably best of DC so far (I'm not a Nolanite).
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I loved Chris Nolan until Interstellar. Thought it was very patchy and his new cinematographer is terrible.
I have absolutely no interest in Dunkirk and thought The Dark Knight had too many plots going on.
I think he peaked with Inception and has fallen way short since.
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What a fantastic movie. Real emotion from this film.
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Saw it. They nailed it. It's as good as the greatest Marvel movies.
The Dark Knight is still the greatest superhero movie that has ever been made. But this along with The Avengers and Civil War are in that 2nd tier.
I'm also going to copy/paste a point I made about the character and how it relates to the pro-feminism message surrounding the film from another online thread.
The battle rages on that "men accuse all power women of being 'angry feminists' because blah blah blah". The fact is, there are too many angry people on BOTH sides of the argument, and angry people rarely get their true point across.
Diana was powerful and confident *without* being a constantly angry person (although I understand she did display anger when it was appropriate). I can't think of a single confident male that would be upset with a powerful and confident woman like Diana....only angry males would be upset because, well, they're angry. But even normal males will get fed up with an *angry* and confident woman because people who are constantly angry at everything (from either gender) are not threatening....they're tiresome. The director, and everyone else involved with this movie GOT IT RIGHT. It was an amazing movie and the character *absolutely nailed* that perfect balance of confidant without feeling like she had to bully everyone into giving her respect. And yes.....too many women feel like they have to "bully back to the bullies" in order to get respect. That doesn't work. It just creates more bullies.
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That No Man's Land scene is a classic. Some of the best Superhero action. Her lasso play was great!
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I enjoyed it too. I thought the first half could have been a little better, the island section was quite slow and full of exposition and the London section probably could have done with a little less obvious 'fish outta water' comedy. But once they hit the 'front' it got good, real good. Good acting by most of the core cast - Gadot and Pine were real good together. Thewlis was a bit to hammy for my liking, but nothing to really spoil the film.
7.5 Outta 10 for me. Easily the best DC cinema universe film.
Logan, Guardians 2 and now Wonder Woman - Comicbook fans are being spoiled this year. (please let Spider-man be good).
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How could they do a less obvious "fish out of water " when the character never took a step off the island ever?
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How could they do a less obvious "fish out of water " when the character never took a step off the island ever?
Fair point. ;D
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I thought the pacing was its greatest strength.
I get SOOO FATIGUED by a movie that constantly wants to "machine gun" the story at me without ever giving the characters a chance to breathe. Wonder Woman's first act was what made me fall in love with the movie. We actually got to know the characters and their motivations. I actually want to go back and see it again. Such a great film.
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I really enjoyed it. Still not as good as Marvel, but definitely the best non Christopher Nolan DC film
Ares reveal didn't shock me in the least. That trope of having the villain secretly disguised as the villain has been done countless times
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It's better than most superhero films, including Marvel.
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Saw it today, very impressed. Thoroughly enjoyed it, seems DC finally found a story they could tell right, with a proper amount of background to add tension. No Man's Land scene was epic.
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Not gonna lie, I was biased against the idea of this movie from the get-go, for three reasons:
1. DC just hasn't made good films thus far. I don't count the Nolan trilogy since Batman has since been rebooted, and the Nolan trilogy isn't part of this universe.
2. Since I was a kid, I was always kinda Marvel-biased in the Marvel vs. DC thing. All in fun, but still.
3. I have always felt that the character is kinda dumb. NOT because she's a woman, and I kinda resent the fact that I feel the need to even have to point that out. I just thought Wonder Woman was a dumb character (although the series with Linda Carter actually had some pretty good moments at times and was fun to watch). I always felt that Aquaman was a dumb character as well, so there ya' go.
But part of me is also glad this is doing well because, at the end of the day, the existence of a good film benefits the audience and that's what it's all about. Based on the reviews, I'm looking forward to seeing this.
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Bosk stop watching your Warriors destroy LeBron and go see Wonder Woman now!!! lol :lol
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Late to the party with Wonder Woman, but it was worth the wait!
What a fun movie! Saying that this is the best movie in the DCEU, is a massive understatement. I't is so far above BVS and the rest, that it's not even funny!
Humor was great, there were tense and heartfelt moments and a lot of great action scenes. I love that the action scenes clearly served the story, and not the other way around. The end fight was a bit too cheesy though, if i were to say a negative.
I hope DC higher up's are taking notes, and benchmarking Wonder Woman as a stantard for the future DC movies. And i hope that Wonder Woman gets a sequel!
And lastly, Gal Gadot completely owns the role. She also happens to be so adorable!
8/10.
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Hey gang i'm now doing volunteer work at the local cinema and I get to see films for free so i may see this tomorrow evening ! :)
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Just had my second serving of Wonder Woman, and i loved it even more the second time around
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The more i think about Wonder Woman, the more i like it. I should really go watch it a 2nd time!
It might be my favorite superhero origin story, along with Iron Man and X Men: First Class.
i guess Guardians of the Galaxy also counts as a origin story?..
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Hmm...not in the sense that we meet the characters like Rocket or Groot from their humble beginnings to becoming extraordinary beings. It's more like the first X-men film where all characters already have developt skills and they just come together to save the day. Batman Begins is my favorite origin story to date for me.
Another thing I was impressed with Wonder Woman was how they treated Doctor Poison. I'm glad it wasnt a well known WW villain like Cheetah or Giganta, but they honored the history of WW and used a original 1940's Wonder Woman villain.
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How'd she get the sword back for Batman vs. Superman?
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How'd she get the sword back for Batman vs. Superman?
Do we know it's the same sword?
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In the film, her office at The Louvre had cases of swords on display. Im sure in her career as a curator, she found one that suited her
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Danny Elfman is replacing Junkie XL to compose the score for JUSTICE LEAGUE!!!
Elfman's Batman score, to me, is only second to John William's Superman score. He also composed the score for The Flash show (Not the current CW show, although I do enjoy that theme). And of course, he composed the score for the greatest animated show ever, Batman: The Animated Series, using variations of his Batman movie music.
I was on the ropes about Junkie XL ( Although I believe he is responsible for making Wonder Woman's theme), and I loved his score for Mad Max: Fury Road. But I think Elfman is a better choice to complete the music, or just rewrite the score for Justice League.
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Yea, I'll agree that Elfman's Batman score is by far the greatest superhero theme ever.
In fact, of ALL the superhero themes and scores for the last 20+ years, the only one that even comes close to memorable is Wonder Woman's.
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Hmm interesting you would say that. I agree. On command, I can hum that tune. However, myself, I love The Dark Knight trilogy theme aka Molossus from Batman Begins.
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I'd argue that Ramin Djavadi's Iron Man score, is the most memorable superhero score of the last 10-15 years.
Wonder Woman Score is not far behind!
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Hmm even the Iron Man score, I can't put my finger on the tune. I remember it being very jazzy and doo-wop, like The Incredibles Score....just not as memorable, but it fit the movie.
The top Superhero themes in my opinion are
1. Superman Main Title theme - John Williams
2. Batman Main Title - Danny Elfman
3. X2 Suite - John Ottmon (which has been used in the last few X-Men films)
4. The Incredibles - Michael Giacchino
5. The Rocketeer (Rocketeer To The Rescue) - James Horner
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Today is the 20th Anniversary of Batman and Robin. But that's not why i'm posting today :lol
BATMAN: MASK OF THE PHANTASM IS GETTING A HD REMASTERED BLU-RAY RELEASE!!!
Before Batman Begins, this film in my opinion was the best Batman feature film, yet so many people overlook it because it's an animated film. I cite this film as a reason why I'm such a massive Batman fan. I was 6, and I was taken at least 4 times to see it, which I think is a lot for a 6 yr old.
I can't wait to see how this looks remastered, and it'll be a golden addition in my Batman Blu-Ray collection.
And happy anniversary to this
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BAT NIPPLES!!
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Batman Returns also has anniversary this year...25 years.
It's a good film, but it never was my favorite. There's too much of Tim Burton in it. The tone from Batman and Batman Returns feels like a big gap. I never like that he made Penguin into a mutant bird monster that wants to kill children. Michelle Pfeifer was extremely sexy, but I hated her back from the dead backstory. Burton hired Bo Welch as production designer, who did Edward Scissorhands. These two movies parallel in their look. Burton certainly let his freak flag fly, which is artistically is interesting, but for me, it never worked for a Batman movie!
Returns probably is responsible for making it okay for superhero movies to target adult audiences. Without it, Blade and Spawn probably would have never gotten made.
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Late to the party with Wonder Woman, but it was worth the wait!
What a fun movie! Saying that this is the best movie in the DCEU, is a massive understatement. I't is so far above BVS and the rest, that it's not even funny!
Humor was great, there were tense and heartfelt moments and a lot of great action scenes. I love that the action scenes clearly served the story, and not the other way around. The end fight was a bit too cheesy though, if i were to say a negative.
I hope DC higher up's are taking notes, and benchmarking Wonder Woman as a stantard for the future DC movies. And i hope that Wonder Woman gets a sequel!
And lastly, Gal Gadot completely owns the role. She also happens to be so adorable!
8/10.
Finally just saw it. I think I pretty much agree with all of the above. To add just a bit about the end fight, I guess it kind of comes down to two criticisms for me: (1) The DC universe tends to have their big fights look TOO video gamish. Yeah, Marvel has gone that road too. It's probably near impossible to have a fight look realistic when you are trying to portray superpowered beings doing unrealistic things and using so much CGI. But DC just seems to have taken it a bit farther than necessary to me. (2) She just seems so ridiculously overpowered that it's hard to picture her having any serious sort of problems against anything, and that kind of makes her seem hard to relate to.
That said, I still thought it was great.
As far as the comments about the music/score, I'll just add this: As far as I'm concerned, no score needed. Just have Short Skirt, Long Jacket playing on loop. Am I wrong? :biggrin:
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Finally just saw Wonder Woman, and it was very, very good. Blows the other DCEU movies out of the water. If they can keep that quality up, I hope we see plenty more of Wonder Woman on her own.
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So, apparently, Joss Whedon has made enough changes in the Justice League movie that they're now giving him a co-writing credit.
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Yeah there was speculation whether he was going to get a writing credit or a directing credit. I'm glad he's getting the writing credit too, but if the reshoots were so extensive because of the changes, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a co-directing credit as well.
Rumor is that Snyder himself went to Whedon after Whedon signed on for Batgirl, and asked for his advice on a few scenes. But ever since Snyder steppes away, looks like Warner Bros. has given Whedon a lot of creative control on the reshoots, something that Marvel Studios did not do with Age of Ultron.
I'm still excited for Justice League...because its JUSTICE LEAGUE. Im also just as anxious to see how the final product turns out with two different directors having worked on it. We could have a Superman II situation in our hands...and get a Snyder Directors Cut later on.
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Finally just saw Wonder Woman, and it was very, very good. Blows the other DCEU movies out of the water. If they can keep that quality up, I hope we see plenty more of Wonder Woman on her own.
I've seen it too (better late than never) and I agree that it's probably the best so far. Sure, it's not really the first time that when it comes to a set of superheroes I watch a movie about one entirely set during one of the big wars, but it was quite enjoyable. Totally did not see the surprise at the end coming.
Naive question but I assume that they had the whole story of the movie planned when they used the photo in Batman vs Superman, right? I don't think they "retro-engineered" the plot of a movie starting by random dudes lined up in a photo :D
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Why the 'Wonder Woman' Photo in 'Batman v Superman' Became a Huge Pain in the Ass. (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/14/wonder-woman-photo-in-batman-v-superman/)
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Why the 'Wonder Woman' Photo in 'Batman v Superman' Became a Huge Pain in the Ass. (https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/14/wonder-woman-photo-in-batman-v-superman/)
Cool, thanks.
Sometimes these things happen in movies or in TV. I also wonder when they do cliffhangers in TV shows if they already film scenes that will be shown the next season or if they start all over painstakingly recreating the exact same enviroments of when the cliffhanger scene was done.
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The studio made it a point, knowing the Wonder Woman backstory needed to be told. albeit small, but huge in the wonder woman timeline. to be honest although small, it was brilliant. sometimes small things make a difference. They have a star on their hands with her. if they roll with it.
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If justice league pans out. thee dc universe may gain momentum. BUT with infinity wars coming out they may be hard pressed.
it will be interesting what Marvel does after infinity Wars. may be a regrouping time
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and I a side not Gal may me the most beautiful woman on earth besides Salma Hayek
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I've NEVER been much of a D.C. fan, other than a casual Batman fan. But I was around for the run of Batman films in the late '80s and '90s. For their time, they were okay, and I enjoyed them. Even though not a schlocky as the old Batman tv series, they were more in that vein and didn't take themselves very seriously, so it was (mostly) fine that they weren't better "quality." I really liked the take on the character in the '90s animated series. I have the entire thing on DVD, and I enjoy watching those. Of course, the Nolan trilogy was brilliant. That, to me, is really the cinematic benchmark for Batman. So it's been disappointing to me to see where the DC universe is now. I'll see Justice League because I'm sure it's going to be cool enough to warrant at least one viewing, even if it doesn't really hold up well over time. And I guess I need to see BvS beforehand to have the necessary background. But I don't really have high hopes.
Really, to me, Wonder Woman looks like the only quality film of this iteration of the DC universe. And that's a shame. It's too bad they couldn't have tied her into the Nolan universe. That was just so much better, and this present Wonder Woman is on par with that level of quality.
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In all honesty, the Lego Batman Movie is (outside of the Nolan trilogy, which is tops) my absolute favorite. The movie was so cleverly written. It accesses the history of all the films in retrospect, calls back to some of them with both music and actual lines, and even pokes fun at DC/Warner Bros. for doing things such as Suicide Squad (which I have no idea how that slipped passed those reviewing the film from Warners, because there is no way they would have allowed that).
Yes, it is Lego. And obviously, the film isn't serious -- it is meant for humor and provide a bit of a lesson along the way. As a result, it's probably unfair to do comparisons. But it quickly jumped into the spot right behind the Nolan trilogy.
I do love the Animates Series for sure. It held down the fort for a while until Nolan made the character respectable on the big screen again.
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I thought the Lego movie was great. But being a much more causal fan than you are, I'm sure many of the jokes and tie-ins went over my head. But I loved how HISHE made fun of certain tropes in the Nolan films, and the Lego movie took that and ran with it.
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I'm a huge batman fan and found the Lego Batman Movie to rather unfunny. I appreciated the nods to the deeper batman universe but overall I found the film to be dull.
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Oh man, I loved Lego batman. The middle/end dragged on a bit, but over all I thought it was great.
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Pretty much tired of super hero movies, not gonna lie but since Wonder Woman seems to get high praise I might give it a watch. If nothing else atleast I get to watch the stunning Gal Gadot.
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Pretty much tired of super hero movies, not gonna lie but since Wonder Woman seems to get high praise I might give it a watch. If nothing else atleast I get to watch the stunning Gal Gadot.
Don't expect an amazing movie. It's good, really good at times, but don't expect a truly amazing movie.
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Pretty much tired of super hero movies, not gonna lie but since Wonder Woman seems to get high praise I might give it a watch. If nothing else atleast I get to watch the stunning Gal Gadot.
Don't expect an amazing movie. It's good, really good at times, but don't expect a truly amazing movie.
Yeah, I mean... it's not Green Lantern or anything.
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Can't wait to see this movie about a bunch of heroes having to
assemble unite to defend earth from an evil space emperor who's using a powerful proxy to attack with a huge faceless CGI army.....directed by Joss Whedon.
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Can't wait to see this movie about a bunch of heroes having to assemble unite to defend earth from an evil space emperor who's using a powerful proxy to attack with a huge faceless CGI army.....directed by Joss Whedon.
I made a comment very similar on Youtube, and was corrected by a handful of DC marks on how Justice League did all that first in the comics.
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So apparently Justice League will be 2 hours with credits, so less than 2 hours of film.
This makes it the shortest DCEU film to date. Odd choice. I think Joss made Ultron much shorter than it should have been too. Maybe it's just a concise story?
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I hope so.. just a thought:
The Avengers 1 is about 140 minutes, and it's pretty much perfect, and they didn't need to introduce a single new superhero character. They even had the villain and the Tesseract properly introduced in previous films.
JL needs to properly introduce three new main characters, bring them together to form a team, set up the backstory of Apokolips and the motherboxes, introduce the villain and explain the return of Superman. Two hours seems short!
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I hope so.. just a thought:
The Avengers 1 is about 140 minutes, and it's pretty much perfect, and they didn't need to introduce a single new superhero character. They even had the villain and the Tesseract properly introduced in previous films.
JL needs to properly introduce three new main characters, bring them together to form a team, set up the backstory of Apokolips and the motherboxes, introduce the villain and explain the return of Superman. Two hours seems short!
Dare I say it all sounds a bit Suicide Squad?
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So apparently Justice League will be 2 hours with credits, so less than 2 hours of film.
This makes it the shortest DCEU film to date. Odd choice. I think Joss made Ultron much shorter than it should have been too. Maybe it's just a concise story?
I'm on board for a shorter movie!
We don't need to see the complete backstories for Flash, Cyborg or Aquaman. Just a quick explanation why they are there and how they fit into the story. Leave the backstories for later. Cut out all the unnecessary expanded DCEU references, and i think it will be just fine..
But still, i refuse to get excited for Justice League. Because this is still essentially a Snyder clusterfuck, that Wheadon has tried to clean up. I'm much more interested in the DC movies that are coming after this, like Wonder Woman 2, and the new Batman movie.
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The one I'm most excited for is definitely Aquaman. From what I have heard, the production has gone smoothly. They wrapped it last week!
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Zachery Levi is Captain Marvel in Shazam!
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DC usually has a good casting record, minus Lex Luthor and The Joker, but this is just an odd choice.
Honestly it feels like The Rock should have been Captain Marvel, and someone else as Black Adam.
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The Rock was casted two years ago :lol He might as well have been. But I think Levi can pull off the whole 12 yr old in a god's body pretty well.
As far as Justice League being under a shy under 2hrs...im fine with it! We don't always need superhero films to be 2 1/2 hours. The first X-Men was an 1hr and 45 mins, and despite the special effects not up to par to today's standards, it was a well paced film with a lot of characters at play. Moreso than Justice League. Not everyone who wasn't Wolverine, Magneto, or Rogue had a backstory in that film, and if they did, it was enough information to just keep the story going.
I think the MCU has really hammered the "EVERYONE NEEDS THEIR OWN MOVIE" mind set that people are getting too nitpicky about who is going to show up on screen. 17 years ago, people would be losing their minds just to see the Flash on screen. Now people are complaining he's in Justice League because he didn't get a standalone first?? Get outta here :lol
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Yeah well... 17 years ago we also lost our shit over Star Wars Ep1, but now we know better.
I agree that they don't always have to be 2 1/2 hours, but to aurora's point, there's a lot to get accomplished in this movie. Sure, Flash and Aquaman don't need a backstory history lesson - they've been iconic for decades. But everything else that aurora mentioned is valid imo.
Frankly, it's DC, so I'm stepping over my expectations as I walk in the theatre.
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Also X-Men and JL are two different dynamics. X-Men are a team that, as of the first movie, were well established and together for years and years (minus Rogue and Logan). They tend to attack covertly and deal with smaller threats (in the first movie at least).
JL is about them all coming together for the first time. That takes a ton of time. Then they have to deal with a dude literally trying to take over the entire world. It's just a very different thing they're doing.
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Frankly, it's DC, so I'm stepping over my expectations as I walk in the theatre.
I think your tune will change now that WB has now created a DC Films division and has someone in charge in overseeing the whole movie Universe, especially when it's Geoff Johns. There's lots to be excited about!
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Frankly, it's DC, so I'm stepping over my expectations as I walk in the theatre.
I think your tune will change now that WB has now created a DC Films division and has someone in charge in overseeing the whole movie Universe, especially when it's Geoff Johns. There's lots to be excited about!
Still, Geoff Johns has yet to prove if he can handle this Kevin Feige- esque position. But it's good to have one person steer the ship, and not have to worry about a boardroom thinktank.
MCU has made it this far, only because Kevin Feige has kept a short leash over the different projects under the MCU banner.
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The first movie Johns was directly involved with was Wonder Woman, so that is a good sign.
I think the clips that has been released looks pretty promising, only a bit CGI-heavy. The cast looks great, and the story seems like it's taking a lot of cues from the new 52 storyline (only swapping out Darkseid with Steppenwolf).
It doesn't need to be the best movie ever, I just want it to be solid.
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Frankly, it's DC, so I'm stepping over my expectations as I walk in the theatre.
I think your tune will change now that WB has now created a DC Films division and has someone in charge in overseeing the whole movie Universe, especially when it's Geoff Johns. There's lots to be excited about!
If you say so!
The first movie Johns was directly involved with was Wonder Woman, so that is a good sign.
It doesn't need to be the best movie ever, I just want it to be solid.
On your first point, I'm reminded of the saying that when something happens once, it's an event; twice it's a coincidence; three times and it's a trend. One good movie does not signal anything. But I agree on your second point completely.
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I LOVE this clip with Batman telling the Flash how to hero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mgp4AvZPHY&feature=youtu.be
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I LOVE this clip with Batman telling the Flash how to hero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mgp4AvZPHY&feature=youtu.be
I'm so confused. Flash was being a vulnerable human being? Batman was being inspirational?
This is a DCEU movie???
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I LOVE this clip with Batman telling the Flash how to hero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mgp4AvZPHY&feature=youtu.be
I'm so confused. Flash was being a vulnerable human being? Batman was being inspirational?
This is a DCEU movie???
Ha! If Wonder Woman showed anything, is that the Geoff Johns era of DCEU is going to be slightly lighter on tone, and not take itself too seriously.
I'm also curious about the changes Joss Whedon made in the reshoots to help reflect that, if any changes were needed. Even before BVS was released, Snyder said Justice League would be tonally lighter
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Well that's a start. They also need better stories and just better quality movies. Even Wonder Woman kind of fell apart at the end. Luckily the first 2/3 were good enough that people kind of ignored the computer game ending.
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There's a bunch of other clips as well, including a clip of Steppenwolf fighting the team. It looks pretty fucking badass IMO!
The other clips are great as well. Im cautiously optimistic at this point.
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So, the social media-embargo has lifted. People seems to really enjoy Justice League! "A worthy follow-up to WW" and "Miles better than BvS".
Oh the hype is real!! :D :D :D
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I'm intrigued and will see it at some point but no matter how I try I can't shake this feeling they're totally rushing it by already introducing the JL and Steppenwolf and all this cosmic mayhem before each of the JL team has their own movie out. Regardless, it's awesome to hear it's better than Bat v Supes. I'm still trying to get the bad taste out of my mouth from that mess.
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According to these reviews, Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg not having a solo film before JL is a non-issue.
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To me it's a small issue, because Cyborg and Flash are totally lame superheroes imo and I'd like to see how badass they can make them in a standalone movie to get an idea of what they'll bring to the team. But that's just me. Hopefully the movie does indeed rawk.
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In the DC reddit forum they have counted the twitter-reviews by professional critics so far:
Number of Positive (Including Mixed Positive Reactions): 26
Number of Mixed Reactions: 4
Number of Negative Reactions: 1
Everyone says that it's flawed and messy in parts, but so much fun that it doesn't hurt the film.
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Everyone says that it's flawed and messy in parts, but so much fun that it doesn't hurt the film.
So basically it's a Marvel Studios film :lol :xbones
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I won't be getting on the hype train for Justice League for obvious reasons, but i did listen the Danny Elfman's soundtrack for the movie!
It'a wonderful! Classic Elfman.
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Early reviews for Justice League look like we are in for another SS rather than WW. :-[
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This does not surprise me given WB/DC track record. I'd heard yesterday that WB was holding off the release of reviews.
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I'll assume now that JJ Abrams is involved moving forward after this movie the quality will improve.
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I'll assume now that JJ Abrams is involved moving forward after this movie the quality will improve.
when has that been said anywhere? First I've heard of it
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This does not surprise me given WB/DC track record. I'd heard yesterday that WB was holding off the release of reviews.
WB? Emarbgo was lifted yesterday. Rotten Tomatoes is the one holding off their score, and not because the reviews are good or bad, it's because they want to release in conjunction with their new Facebook show "See It/Skip It."
Early reviews for Justice League look like we are in for another SS rather than WW. :-[
I don't know about that. Most of the reviews I have read are mixed to good.
Variety: "The film is the definition of an adequate high-spirited studio lark: no more, no less. If fans get excited about it, that may mostly be because they’re excited about getting excited. Yet the movie is no cheat. It’s a tasty franchise delivery system that kicks a certain series back into gear."
New York Times: "Written by Chris Terrio and Joss Whedon, the new movie shows a series that’s still finding its footing as well as characters who, though perhaps not yet as ostensibly multidimensional as Marvel’s, may be more enduring (and golden). It has justice, and it has banter. And while it could have used more hanging out, more breeziness, it is a start"
USA Today: "A better effort than Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and a worthy follow-up to runaway hit Wonder Woman, Justice League (three out of four) does the DC icons proud with some high-profile additions and a strong if unspectacular effort full of fun character moments."
Chicago-Sun Times: "It’s a putting-the-band-together origins movie, executed with great fun and energy"
Just a few I checked out. Sounds like Justice League will be fun to see the characters on screen together, but it'll have another generic comic book villain and low stakes that seem to be this films demise. I highly doubt Snyder will be involved in any DC Universe Films that WB makes in the future.
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Yea the reviews haven't been bad. I've gotten a mix of "Meh" "fun, but empty" to "fun".
I'll go see it, but it's being described as basically the same level as a mid-tier Marvel movie. Which is an improvement, but not what Justice League really should be.
Look at Age of Ultron. It's probably about the same level if not higher than a mid-tier Marvel film, but is often called awful because The Avengers should be better.
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This does not surprise me given WB/DC track record. I'd heard yesterday that WB was holding off the release of reviews.
WB? Emarbgo was lifted yesterday. Rotten Tomatoes is the one holding off their score, and not because the reviews are good or bad, it's because they want to release in conjunction with their new Facebook show "See It/Skip It."
Early reviews for Justice League look like we are in for another SS rather than WW. :-[
I don't know about that. Most of the reviews I have read are mixed to good.
Reviews..
It's odd. I'm from the UK and because of the time difference our reviews were up first, and that is what I was referring to yesterday. The UK reviews have been terrible, while the reviews from the US have been better. Maybe Marvel only paid off UK reviewers this time (I jest). Anyway these were the reviews I was reading yesterday...
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/15/justice-league-ben-affleck-dc-comics
*Justice League review – good, evil and dullness do battle - 2/5.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/reviews/justice-league-review-dc-batman-release-date-buy-tickets-critics-rotten-tomatoes-a8055666.html
*The most infantile of recent superhero yarns - 2/5
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/justice-league-review-dcs-superhero-embarrassment-beyond-saving/
*DC's superhero embarrassment is beyond saving - 1/5
https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/justice-league/53389/justice-league-review
*Is Justice League the superhero event of 2017? No. Sadly, it isn’t. 2/5.
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/justice-league/review/a843156/justice-league-review/
*The most tedious superhero movie yet. 2/5
I'm not just picking and choosing the bad ones, every single UK review (I found) yesterday was really negative!
I'm glad to see better reviews have turned up since!! Somewhere round 50% on RT I'd guess?
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I saw it yesterday, and most reviews are spot on.
The bad:
- The story is super-thin, and the pacing is very choppy. This movie should have been at least 20 minutes longer, because the editing really shows.
- Some cgi is very apparent. Overall, the movie looks good though.
- The villain serves the plot purpose, but is very forgettable.
- One guys upper lip
The good:
- The characters are spot on! The Flash is a stand out. I really hope the Flashpoint movie happens.
- There is never really a dull moment. The pacing is choppy, but you are constantly entertained
- The return of a certain somebody is pretty damn rewarding, and the character has never been portrayed so good by Cavill before. I really want a new Superman-movie now!
I give this movie a 6,5 out of 10.
A good movie? No.
A entertaining movie? Definitely.
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I'm disappointed that Justice League is getting pretty negative reviews. The trailers made it look like it had potential. I was going to go see it tomorrow afternoon since I have the day off, but I don't think I'll spend the money now. I'll wait for it to come out on video.
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Fan response to the movie will quickly become overwhelmingly positive, mostly as a reaction to the perceived negative reviews.
It'll go from "It's not bad" to "It's amazing! Nowhere near as awful as the critics said! It's fun and that's all I wanted"
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I saw it yesterday, and most reviews are spot on.
The bad:
- The story is super-thin, and the pacing is very choppy. This movie should have been at least 20 minutes longer, because the editing really shows.
- Some cgi is very apparent. Overall, the movie looks good though.
- The villain serves the plot purpose, but is very forgettable.
- One guys upper lip
The good:
- The characters are spot on! The Flash is a stand out. I really hope the Flashpoint movie happens.
- There is never really a dull moment. The pacing is choppy, but you are constantly entertained
- The return of a certain somebody is pretty damn rewarding, and the character has never been portrayed so good by Cavill before. I really want a new Superman-movie now!
I give this movie a 6,5 out of 10.
A good movie? No.
A entertaining movie? Definitely.
Similar observations a few friends of mine who are grips on the WB lot had.
Still not the result I wanted for Justice League :-[
Then again, a movie with Batman and Superman being together on the big screen for the first time in their legendary literature, pop culture career should have been amazing as well.
I'll post my thoughts when I get back from the theater tonight
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My thoughts are very similar to aurorablinds.
It’s definitely not a perfect movie, but I enjoyed Justice League. The good and the bad aspects of the film doesn’t really outweigh one another. It’s balanced. The editing is choppy (not Suicide Squad choppy), but the movie could have used 20 more minutes to help make the story breathe.
And no, The Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman didn’t need their own origin film. Their backstories were sort of the heart of the team up, especially Cyborgs. The members of the Justice League were absolutely spot on, and the Ezra Miller iteration of The Flash is fantastic! Most importantly, people are going to leave the theater excited for the future films. I myself am stoked for the Aquaman standalone film next year!!!
Steppenwolf was another generic villain that any one of these heroes could have faced themselves in their own film, but he is far from being the worst superhero villain of all time.
Overall, I was entertained from the get go! If you’re looking for a brilliant storytelling platform, you’ll be disappointed, but if you just want to see a very superhero-y film that’s full of action, funny moments, and great chemistry from the Justice League members, then enjoy this 2hr escapism!
And yes, there is mid and post credit scenes that superhero fans are gonna love!!!
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Saw it last night. Sorry to say it's Suicide Squad again, all the same issues. Bad editing, no plot, weird tonal shifts, bland villain. The one thing it has over SS is the characters are mostly better - The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg are well realised to the big screen. Gal is awesome as WW again (the real leader), Batfleck looks bored though this time, in fact Bats is the big letdown character wise.
I'd rank it higher than SS because the characters are better, and probably a tad better than MoS and BvS because it's more fun (and shorter), but it's miles and miles away from the quality of WW. It's just another poorly made film.
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So I just watched it and I thought it was okay. There were some glaring issues (like choppy editing, way too much CGI and way too noticeable and some other things) but it was a more fun movie tone-wise and I enjoyed the team itself and thought they played off each other well and everyone kinda had their moment/purpose.
I don't think this is as bad as MoS, BvS or SS, but I also wouldn't say it's strong enough that the DCEU is on the right track. It's still a flawed movie, but at least it was mildly amusing unlike BvS or MoS, both just being dreadful. And let's not even talk about SS - possibly the worst movie I've ever had to sit through in the cinema.
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It is neither a step back nor a step forward. A complete safe response to the public who bitched about the previous films. If you didn't like BVS or SS, this is a pallet cleanser. This was Warners purging the last bit of Synder from the franchise so the edit feels choppy and some of the seems do show.
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Wow, 96 mil opening weekend. Not only does that pretty much put the nail in the coffin for the DCEU, but you start to wonder if they are gonna go into reboot mode right away or put out Aquaman first to try and get some money. Even so, I fully expect to hear about a rebooted universe within 6 months or so.
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I seriously doubt they are gonna reboot. Aquaman has finished principle photography, and Patty Jenkins signed huge deal to make Wonder Woman 2 not too long ago.
I think the major problem in this case is over expectations and over enthusiasm for something that didn't have a guarantee of success because of the mixed results of the last few movies (with the exception of Wonder Woman). Warner Bros are putting too many cards on the table for something so uncertain.
In a perfect world, a Justice League movie should have opened with 200mill
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4 out of 5 movies in their universe received mixed reception, JL made 96 mil opening weekend which is shockingly low, and is looking at a 60-65% box office drop next weekend. Snyder is out, Batfleck is out and you gotta think they will pull the plug on the Shazam movie if Justice League can't even make 100 million opening weekend.
They might wait for Aquaman to make their final decision (if it turns out great maybe it can keep them afloat) but even so, it really looks dark.
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I was reading the Justice League needs to make $600 million just to break even. How is it possible they let the budget get that big on a movie franchise that has been met with mediocre response previously?
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I was reading the Justice League needs to make $600 million just to break even. How is it possible they let the budget get that big on a movie franchise that has been met with mediocre response previously?
There's a bunch of intricate numbers of how it works but you got production budget + marketing (in the case of JL probably 300 mil) and then I believe theaters keep around half of the box office (as a fee for screening the movies) so then 600 mil earned quickly becomes 300 mil.
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I was reading the Justice League needs to make $600 million just to break even. How is it possible they let the budget get that big on a movie franchise that has been met with mediocre response previously?
I'd expect it to end it's run somewhere round the $750-$850 worldwide range, based on the weekend takings. This would have been ear marked as a film that should break the billion barrier, so not an utter disaster, but definitely a disappointment.
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Yeah, I'm not sure where they are going to go from here if the movie is this much of a flop. I saw it the other night and found it dreadfully boring. :-\
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They at least need a whole new creative team if not a complete reboot. I'd rather they salvage what has been done and just recast Batman and work with a new creative team to move forward with a new feel to the movies.
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They at least need a whole new creative team if not a complete reboot. I'd rather they salvage what has been done and just recast Batman and work with a new creative team to move forward with a new feel to the movies.
I've read a theory that they might use Flashpoint as an excuse to change things up, and recast some parts.
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It makes me sad that the DC films are being messed up so badly, apparently. I hope they just reboot it and eventually have their time in the sun not unlike Marvel has. I don't care about many DC characters (Marvel has lots of stinkers, too, though) but it's sad to see them constantly stumbling. It can't be a problem with the source material, right? Why didn't they just wait to make Justice League until the rest of the solo movies are done? That might actually make me interested in Cyborg, for example.
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So I saw it today, pretty average at best. There seems to be so much wasted potential with the characters, as others have pointed out, they seemed to rush into the Justice League thing for a cash grab without letting it develop like the MCU did. Oh well, I'll still go see whatever comes out. And here's hoping they at least continue developing the WW story, that one holds up well throughout the film, and I'd hate to see the potential cut short.
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I’m going to sound like a broken record, but we don’t need every character to have their own movie before the team up. I’ll give you Aquaman maybe, but Flash and Cyborg’s story is the heart of Justice League film.
The movie didnt feel rushed because they were introducing three characters. The original run time for JL was 2hr and 35 mins, but WB higher ups decided to cut the additional minutes to make it under 2hrs. The movie felt rushed because of the editing job. They cut minutes of story that could have helped make the movie breathe a bit, and make the stakes bigger in regards to Steppenwolf. The JL members developement is fine, amd realized.
You know, I see the same bad storytelling and editing jobs in certain Marvel Studios flicks, but are largely ignored because “its fun.” WB makes a DC film thats fun, but everyone wants to focus of the negatives. I like both DC and Marvel, but the double standards are clear, and it’s aggravating.
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I'm hopeful now that Zack Snyder is out that these movies will be more like Wonder Woman. I don't think these movies as bad as people say here but I do believe that they're not at the level that Marvel has done and that's what everybody's equating.
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I haven't heard anyone complaining that JL is bad because it's fun. And you're totally ignoring context. I think if Marvel had started their universe with Iron Man II, then made Thor 2, then made (well they have no movie as bad as Suicide Squad) before finally making Captain America First Avenger (Which is about where I put WW), and then came out with Avengers 2, people would be pretty let down by the whole thing. Context is very important. And just because some Marvel films have had issues in editing, pace, bad guys, doesn't mean DC is doing it the same way to the same level.
Also, people complain about Marvel movies all the time. Marvel fans included!
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I'm just being Mr. Grumpy Pants today :yeahright
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I'm just being Mr. Grumpy Pants today :yeahright
Going full DC, eh?
Sorry, couldn't resist. -bro hug-
Hopefully I'll see JL at some point soon. Maybe my low expectations will help.
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I'm with Accelerando here, I don't think JL was as bad as people are saying. It does feel rusehd to me and I think it would have been better if they'd developed the characters a little more which makes me think an extended version with the half hour that was cut might make this movie better, which is something that happened with BvS. I also understand that superhero movies have a limited amount of time to succeed and that DC needs to catch up before the hype comes down. I fully expect the following movies to be better.
I also agree that lots of the things that are being criticized here get a pass for Marvel. I saw great reaction to Guardians 2 and to me that is the worst movie in the MCU by far and it suffered from a lot of the same things the DCU is suffering right now.
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I honestly don't remember the last Marvel movie I saw that I knew I definitely wanted to see again. Maybe Winter Soldier? Most of them are kind of fun in the theater but then immediately forgettable. Guardians 2 was one of those. Nothing happened really, and all in all it felt kind of like a pointless movie. Maybe it's super hero fatigue or maybe Marbel's formula is getting stale, or maybe it's just a mix of everything.
I don't think there's any double standards even if you criticize the Marvel movies, JL still managed to be more boring than Age of Ultron. Characters' motivations weren't explored enough. Characters just do things. And things just happen because they are supposed to. The pacing was weird, and many scenes just felt pointless. The villain is one of the most forgettable in any of the modern super hero movies, which really is saying something although the villain from Iron Man II or III might take the cake.
I'll admit that this is only the second DCU movie I've seen (WW was the first, and it was pretty good), but I'm no Marvel fanboy either. Theirs are like the fast food of movies. Everything is predictable, lowest common denominator, take no chances, play it safe, you get exactly what you paid for without being too disappointed...but after like a decade, it starts to get kind of stale.
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At this point I go in to DC movies with high hopes but low expectations.
Overall, I enjoyed Justice League. It suffers from the same problem as all the other DC movies, which is that they start alright (except for Suicide Squad, which is just ass cancer all the way through) but then they just become too ridiculous towards the end/second half.
There were moments in there I enjoyed though. I like Flash, and always have, and thought he was fun here. Wonder Woman was really cool, that scene in the beginning where she saves the hostages had some really badass moments. In short, if there's an issue with the movie, it is in my opinion not with the characters. I thought they were all good.
Steppenwolf was really cool and actually interesting in his introduction scene, but sort of lost steam as the movie went on.
Angry Superman is actually pretty scary, and that scene was probably my favorite of the movie. Him slowly turning his head and looking at Flash mid speed-force was really cool.
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It’s been out for a few weeks now, so I put the Spoiler warning in the thread title!
I was dying with that little eye dart Superman gave and Flash with that “Oh shit!” reaction :lol
I’ve seen JL twice, and you are absolutly correct. The problem with this film isn’t the characters. The film was just cut poorly, and I sincerely believe the film would have been better recieved in Warner Brothers didnt mandate the 2hr experience. The additional footage that was cut probably would have made the story tighter.
But also, as my friend pointed out, what benefitted the Avengers was sorely missing in JL. Phase 1 built up the stakes to make The Avengers a successful event movie with the hydra weapons and Loki. There was no mention of Steppenwolf or the Mother Boxes (besides from Cyborgs 10second cameo in Dawn of Justice). While I still stand by my opinion that not all the characters needed to have their own solo film before JL, the film could have benefited from exploring what the Mother Boxes are all about leading up to it.
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We saw JL this weekend and really enjoyed it. I thought it was way better than the reviews and the list of complaints would lead you to believe. That may be because my expectations were so low, though. :lol
*Spoiler warning*
One thing I was really glad to see was that they really showed us why Supe's character must have the gee-golly-gosh-goody-two-shoes Clark moral compass...because he is just way too scary and powerful without it. This is what was missing from MoS and BvsS. I thought it was a nice touch that even Bruce Wayne got in on the Clark bandwagon when he told Alfred that Superman is more human that Bruce himself.
Flash was great and, of course, WW was fantastic...again, I like that Bruce basically told her to "shit, or get off the pot."
It could have been better, and that makes me VERY interested to see an extended cut (or director's cut, as the case may be), but I was entertained and even wowed, at time, by the action.
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I finally saw it.
Very very very meh. It had good moments, not many, but a few. Superman carrying the building was nice.
The movie got good when Superman finally came to the rescue, so I wonder how much the immediacy effect had on people who are giving it great reviews, because it's not a good movie.
It's very poorly written. Poorly directed (by both of them). Horrible CGI for most of it. Henry's acting between his resurrection and saving the day was terrible.
I liked most of the characters. I loved Flash as I figured I would. I liked Batman and Wonder Woman. Cyborg was....present, I guess, and Aquaman has a ton of potential. The scene if him sitting on the lasso was very nice.
But yea, not a good movie by any stretch. I had low expectations and was surprisingly still disappointed.
Edit: Can I point out how beyond stupid the opening scene where the damn exploding bug somehow leaves a picture of the mother boxes on the wall was?
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I think WB should seriously reconsider continuing this extended universe!
Just let Matt Reeves direct a great Batman trilogy, and Patty Jenkins to finish a Wonder Woman trilogy!
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Edit: Can I point out how beyond stupid the opening scene where the damn exploding bug somehow leaves a picture of the mother boxes on the wall was?
Do you want to know what went through his mind just before Batman slammed him? :lol
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I actually enjoyed Cyborg. How they approached him, with him being angry with his father and trying to accept what happened to him, is how i’d hope they went with his story. The only thing they dropped the ball on was how he was connected to the Mother Box. It would have been interesting to see his internal struggle in that aspect. I hear WB cut out a TON of his backstory out that Zack Snyder shot. It was either to fulfill the 2hr agenda or Snyder’s footage was just bad.
The DP came out and said the opening scene where Batman is hunting the Parademon was a Joss Whedon add on. But that shot where Batman is perched on the gargoyle might be the most Batman moment in the DCEU. That’s just a great iconic image of the dark knight, even if it was for a few seconds
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Cyborg had a lot of potential. A lot of seeds planted that could become great things if given the time, but he just wasn't given anything.
He got like 2 minutes of "what am I?!??!" and then just kind of got into the action.
If this movie did anything (which I'm hearing a lot), it made me excited for Flash Point. I liked Flash. I liked Billy Crudup. I like where they're taking his story.
Also, anyone else notice that (as of now) to members of the Justice League have Watchmen as parents? Might as well have cast Carla Gugini (or whatever) as Diane's mom.
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Oh boy.
https://www.thewrap.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-batman-v-superman-wonder-woman/
“Justice League” had a lot of enemies: a looming corporate merger, a family tragedy, an internal clash between light and dark themes. But its greatest enemy was time.
Few people are happy with the finished project, which one insider called “a Frankenstein” made of the assembled parts favored by rotating executives and directors and which had the worst opening for a DC Comics-based movie in years. But several people who spoke to TheWrap said the decision to keep the film’s Nov. 17 release date was a mistake — one as plain as Superman’s face.
Specifically, the weird, computer-generated look of his face — just one byproduct of the film’s rushed schedule. Here, according to insiders, is the story of how “Justice League” just ran out of time.
Worth the click and read, and gives a great detail on why Warner Bros hasn't had a great handle on their DC Films franchise.
Love how all the excutives rushed JL just so they could get their bonuses before they get kicked out of Warners. :facepalm:
And Kevin Tsujihara needs to go.
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Is it weird that we got a better Justice League movie with Crisis on Earth X?
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Holy shit, now I really want to see this Snyder Cut.
During his new Fatman on Batman podcast, filmmaker and hardcore DC fan Kevin Smith offered fresh details about this darker cut, which had screened before the theatrical cut came. Here's what Kevin Smith had to say, when a fan asked if he thought Warner Bros. would release the Zack Snyder cut on home video.
"There's a petition online with something like 250,000 signatures saying put out the Snyder cut. I think it's ridiculous not to. Sell the version of the movie that people are familiar with theatrically, then wait six months and hit 'em with the Snyder vision. What's the worst that can happen? Everybody goes, 'You f---ed up' and Warner Bros. goes, 'Yeah, I guess' but it's in their rear-view, they're working on something else. It's just another stream of revenue for them. I think they'd be bat-shit crazy, pun intended, for them to not put out Zack's vision, which I read an article about, thank you for bringing it up. It was a breakdown of what's missing from the movie. 'These scenes were done before the reshoots and were shown to WB executives.' This piece comes from Superhero Talk Site and he says the opening was longer, it began with Bruce recruiting Aquaman. It was basically the same scene in the theatrical version, but some scenes were cut. Aquaman was originally much more shut off to Bruce here. Deleted, Barry Allen saving Iris West by breaking the glass. Apparently there's a whole f---ing scene of him saving Iris West. Longer, history lesson, what I was most surprised by is the WB cut out dialogue of scenes with Green Lantern, Zeus and Ares. On the battlefield, when they flash back and s--t, Lantern said something and so did Zeus and so did Ares."
Kevin Smith has recently praised Justice League on another one of his many podcasts, but it's clear the filmmaker would have liked to have seen these scenes in the final cut of the film. He also added that there was another deleted scene with Steppenwolf, where, after he took the Mother Box from Themyscira, he actually talks to the Box. His mother Hegra's essence is alive in the Mother Box and all three combined would give him more power and an edge over his uncle Darkseid. There are other scenes with Victor Stone's (Ray Fisher) early life before being turned into Cyborg. The report also revealed there was a whole scene with Vulko (Willem Dafoe). Another deleted scene is where the whole League visits the Batcave and Alfred (Jeremy Irons) has various reactions to the team. There is also another deleted scene that is reportedly in the middle of the movie, that seemed to anger Kevin Smith quite a bit.
"Deleted, this is in the middle of the f---ing movie, are you ready for this? Deathstroke breaks Lex out of prison. Why the f--k would you cut that out? Oh my God, I question everybody's sanity. They part ways because the cops are hot on their trail, deciding to meet up later at a location they discuss, which was the scene on the f---ing boat."
There is another scene he mentions where Superman brings Lois Lane to Kent Farm and he is still confused about coming back to life, and another where Kevin Costner's Pa Kent comes back in a fantasy sequence. There are also details about an original post-credit scene that was cut in post, where Batman is at his lake house and awakened by a green light, where he's visited by Kilowog and Tomar Ray.
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Meh.
He doesn't get why the Lex breakout scene was removed? It has nothing to do with the rest of the movie for one thing, even if it's a setup for future films. That should have been a post credits scene if anything. It would be completely random in the middle of Justice League to cut to Lex Luthor getting freed from prison by Deathstroke when that's it. "Here's a commercial for the next one"
Snyder got it his way with Man of Steel and BvS (the ultimate cut) and neither are good. That's enough to tell me that a Snyder-cut of JL wouldn't be that great anyways.
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Not sure what it's gonna take for WB to realize that Snyder's thumb-print for the JL/DCU just isn't a fit for movie-going audiences. Three underwhelming movies in a row should do it, you'd think. In my line of work, once is an event; twice is a coincidence; thrice is a trend. Time to kill the trend.
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Yea, not sure why people automatically think Snyder's cut will be some great movie. It's not like what we did get to see was terribly well written. The plot might make more sense, but this plot didn't not make sense. So at most it'll feel less rushed.
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Do any of you think they would consider handing the reigns over to...........GASP.......... A WOMAN?????
I can't believe they are not at least considering giving the franchise over to Patty Jenkins. I personally think it would be a wise move first and foremost because she has proven she's the only director who "gets it"...and from a PR POV, it would be raining roses at the WB.
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So I just checked the numbers (best I could), and while I can't find the domestic numbers, apparently by the time it had run as long as JL currently has, Dr. Strange had actually made more money globally.
That feels weird.
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Box office numbers after the second weekend:
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $197,407,025 34.7%
+ Foreign: $371,800,000 65.3%
= Worldwide: $569,207,025
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Box office numbers after the second weekend:
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $197,407,025 34.7%
+ Foreign: $371,800,000 65.3%
= Worldwide: $569,207,025
Justice League totals are really bad news for the DC universe. It's could end up the lowest grossing movie of the 5 films so far - it needs to make another 100M just to pass Man of Steel. There are no new territories for it to open in either, it's basically got one more weekend to pull in as much as it can, then Star Wars opens.
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Justice League is out on digital video, so I re-watched it.
It's shocking how apparent the reshoots are. The lighting gets much brighter, Batfleck gains weight and his hair changes. Ezra Miller's hair gets shorter, Jason Momoa's fysique changes and the background shifts from a natural background to a very noticable green screen.
I'm absolutely sure that 70-80% of the Superman stuff was reshot as well. Aside from the very obvious cgi-upper lip, he goes from a complete clean shave to some light stubbles in the same scene.
The scenes where these things are most noticable:
- The final battle inside the dome-thing is definitely 100% from the reshoots.
- The Kent-farm scene with Clark and Lois.
- About half of the Superman vs The League-scene
- Some shots from the fishing village, Atlantis and in Barry's flat (brunch...)
- The second scene in the Batcave
- The opening scene with Superman (duh...)
I enjoyed this movie when I saw it the first time. I didn't love it, but I thought it was okey. After seeing it again......it's pretty crap.
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I thought Justice League was ok, but the CG villain was shit.
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I thought the villains's first scene, where he chased down the amazons trying to get at the motherbox, was pretty dope. But after that yeah he was pretty crap.
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I didn't go to see Justice league in the theater, sounds like I didn't miss much.
I would however, be interested in seeing the Snyder cut. It could be crap, but at least it sounds like a movie. Everything I've read about the theatrical cut screams trainwreck to me.
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I wouldn’t call it a trainwreck. It was a reasonably enjoyable movie, some cool moments, some fun characters. There just wasn’t any real ’wow’.
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The character interactions was definitely the best part about Justice League. The "Oh shit!" moment when Flash realizes Superman could see him in speed force was great!
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That is my personal favorite moment in the entire movie.
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Yeah, that was pretty dope.
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I wouldn’t call it a trainwreck. It was a reasonably enjoyable movie, some cool moments, some fun characters. There just wasn’t any real ’wow’.
Finally saw it and I have to agree. It was nice after all, the plot was easy and not too much convoluted, and also some good humour here and there (Aquaman taunting Batman about how he dresses up like a bat was great), but there wasn't that much to be amazed at. Better than Batman v Superman, worse than Wonder Woman, which is to me the best of the DC bunch so far.
Also, I felt a bit disoriented at the beginning, and the gathering of the characters - Bruce Wayne shows up in Norway or whatever and talks casually to Aquaman, was I supposed to know him? was he even shown "live" in the previous movie or was it just a photo on a screen? was there an Aquaman movie I had to see before this? at least Barry Allen got his short introduction, but it was just weird to see Bruce Wayne talking to a bunch of rugged fishermen with a giant badass long haired tattoed dude standing casually among them.
Superman's resurrection was nice, Bruce got the idea, they had a plan to carry on, it wasn't a cheap trick. What was cheap instead was his arrival during the battle, it was blatantly and absolutely obvious that he would show up, that I'm glad he didn't do it at the very last possible second.
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Bruhce Wayne got the computer info from what Lex Luthor had. It's not like you need any info that Batman did some background on each meta.
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Finally watched it. Not nearly as bad as I was expecting, but it could've/should've been so much better.
Pros:
Story was actually pretty good. Nothing mind-blowing, but it followed the usual super-hero movie plot points
Cyborg... I dug him
Barry Allen... great job by Ezra Miller
Cons:
CGI across the board. Steppenwolf was no better than if he was just ripped out of Injustice; background shots (ie, the sunset in Kansas; the ocean in wherever Arthur Curry is from; Chernobyl... none of it looked real); and of course the stiff upper lip - that opening iPhone scene was possibly the worst moment in any movie, ever in the history of film. Served absolutely no purpose. How it made the final cut is mind-boggling.
Batman ... felt like Affleck mailed this one in.
Lois... ditto with Amy Adams.
Marvel ripoffs... the conflict amongst the team felt like it was ripped right out of Avengers 1.
I hope Aquaman and Shazam! do well so that Warner/DC don't abandon the big screen.
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They should really just let Marvel do the DC films... lol. This is what happens when you chase someone else's tail and rush out crappy movies
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Looks like Joss Whedon has left Batgirl.
Maybe DC should stop announcing things until they’re set.
On the plus side, apparently a test screening for Awuaman is getting good buzz.
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*bump*
Justice League. A lot of people hated it. Some people enjoyed it. There’s a solid faction of hardcore DC fans that want a Snyder cut of the film.
Time to let the past die, and try to salvage the momentum that Wonder Woman had, because things are looking bright for DC Films.
- Marvel Studios isnt showing anything at Comic Con this year, so this is Warner Bros summer to really show off and encapsulate buzz for Aquaman, Shazam!, and Wonder Woman: 1984
- Oh yeah, both Geoff Johns and Patty Jenkins have posted this
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The rumored title for Wonder Woman 2 is “Wonder Woman: 1984.” I like that it’s set in the past, possibly have to do with the Cold War or the decolonization of South Africa. Being that Cheetah is confirmed as the villain, my guess is the later, but there’s been different versions and backstories of Cheetah, so it’s up in the air.
Pedro Pascal is rumored to appear as Doctor Fate in the movie, which im 100% loving that casting choice if true
Also, Gal Gadot possibly having permed hair and wearing a shoulder padded jacket? YES PLEASE :heart
- James Wan posted today that the first Aquaman trailer is coming soon. My bet is we’ll get a teaser this month, and followed by the actual trailer next month that will be shown at Hall H in Comic Con.
Nothing but positvity coming from that front, and the film scored high on it’s test screening a few months ago. December can’t come soon enough.
- Shazam! is shaping up good too, and I’m glad they are sticking to the comic book hooded look for Captain Marvel. And there things that are pointing towards a Superman appearance.
It’s clear Warner Bros does not have an overarching story ala MCU, so they just need to make good movies. That’s all I want. I don’t need things to always connect and set up. I think that’s why “Expanded Universe” has stuck. At this point, unless WB reboots and starts a brand new DC cinematic universe, there’s no way they can compete on the MCU’s level. Just make good movies! I have a feeling the next three films will be solid at the least.
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Geoff Johns and Jim fucking Lee are writing the script for Green Lantern Corp!!!!
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OK so some clarification:
- Geoff Johns is writing and producing GREEN LANTERN CORP. Anyone who has ever read a Geoff Johns Green Lantern comic in the past 15 years knows that this is a GOOD GREAT THING
- Johns is no longer Chief Creative Officer for DC Entertainment. He has stepped down from that role and has created his own production company called Mad Ghost Productions ala JJ Abrams and Bad Robot. All of Geoff Johns produced movies and tv will have that Mad Ghost credit attached.
- Geoff Johns in his statement said "I took on a role at DCE because I love the characters and this universe more than anything. But, I want to spend my days writing and on set. I’m thrilled to get back to a more hands-on creative role. It’s a dream job on dream projects, reaching even deeper into DC’s vast pantheon of characters."
- Jim Lee is not only working on the script with Johns, but he has stepped into the CCO role for DC Entertainment. Jim Lee is not only a brilliant comic book artist, but is a very smart business man. He founded Image Comics with Todd Macfarlane. I think Lee is able to do more on the business side for DC Entertainment than Johns could simply because Johns is more of a creative person. I think Lee can start pumping the brakes on some of these projects like all of the 15 Joker and Harley Quinn movies that are being tossed around.
- The moves come in the wake of last week’s exit of Diane Nelson, DC Entertainment’s president, to whom Johns reported to, and occurs the day before a judge’s decision will be announced in the high-profile antitrust trial between the U.S. Department of Justice and AT&T, which is seeking to merge with Time Warner, the parent company of both Warner Bros. and DC.
- Wonder Woman 1984 and Green Lantern Corp will be the first movies to have the Mad Ghost credit. I like this because movies like Suicide Squad and Justice League had too many cooks in the kitchen. Having DC movies under Johns' production company will have a focused captain steering the ship.
Exciting times, and this is leading up to their massive Hall H panel in Comic Con.
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Yeah, seems like they are moving in the right direction.
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Gal dropped this image today for Wonder Woman 1984
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First look for Aquaman with James Wan blocking a scene with Aquaman, Mera, and Orn, and Yahya Abdul-Mateen with his Black Manta helmet!!!
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I thought Justice League was great.
It was a lot of fun, some great humor coming from both Batman's deadpan quips and The Flash, and great teamwork from the heroes working together. It didn't feel like Batman Vs. Superman, where these characters were just jammed into a movie for the hell of it. It really felt like Batman was in over his head and truly needed these other heroes to help him. I also loved his change of heart regarding Superman, going from wanting to kill him in the last film to realizing that the world needs Superman as a beacon of hope.
So I have good hopes for both WW2 and Aquaman - it feels like DC is righting the ship and is back on a good course.
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We must've watched a different movie. I thought JL was serviceable. Not as bad as some of the other DCU movies, but certainly not 'great'. I struggled to consider it good.
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The best moments in Justice League were character moments. I think everyone can agree the eye dart Superman gives The Flash when he was trying to run around him was fantastic. That look on Flash's face was priceless. I loved that Cyborg, who was getting used to his daily upgrades to his robotic body and system, couldn't function at 100% and had glitches. And yeah, Batman telling Flash to save one person, then he'll know whether he's not to save people, was great.
It just doesn't feel like a complete movie. There's gumption missing, but greedy WB Execs didn't want to push the release date for more filming because they wanted their bonuses before ATT could buy Time Warner.
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I thought JL was serviceable. Not as bad as some of the other DCU movies, but certainly not 'great'. I struggled to consider it good.
I hadn't seen Dawn of Justice of JL until last night. Saw both. Not impressed. Cool that I saw them, but...yeah.
EDIT: As to the character moments being the best part of Justice League, I have to say that I didn't really "feel" the character moments. I felt like they were intended to be the best parts of the film, but that most of them were so trite and artificial that they didn't really evoke any feeling. Maybe I'm just being too hard on these films, but they really did little for me in that regard.
I do think the overall plot concept on Dawn of Justice was pretty cool. It just fell a bit flat in the execution. But it was a good concept and had a great villain in this iteration of Luthor. Actually, if not for the Zod creature final battle and the very wooden performance of Superman, I might have actually been able to say that I liked that film.
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Happy 10th Anniversary to the greatest comic book movie of all time, THE DARK KNIGHT!!!
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Happy 10th Anniversary to the greatest comic book movie of all time, THE DARK KNIGHT!!!
I was thinking about that movie, since it's usually called the greatest comic book movie.
I found that, outside of the Joker stuff, which really is the greatest stuff, it's a good movie, but not a great movie.
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Im usually with you on a lot of film related subjects, but this isnt one of them. The Dark Knight is a great movie.
As iconic as Ledger was...and he WAS amazing...otherworldy even....I truly believe Aaron Eckhart’s Two-Face is the real standout for me.
The movie may have been about Batman and the Joker, but the true crux of the story is the battle for Harvey Dent’s soul and Eckhart plays that beautifully. That is the most important storyarc in the film.
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Im usually with you on a lot of film related subjects, but this isnt one of them. The Dark Knight is a great movie.
As iconic as Ledger was...and he WAS amazing...otherworldy even....I truly believe Aaron Eckhart’s Two-Face is the real standout for me.
The movie may have been about Batman and the Joker, but the true crux of the story is the battle for Harvey Dent’s soul and Eckhart plays that beautifully. That is the most important storyarc in the film.
It was good. But it suffered from the Nolan ON THE NOSE moralizing. The whole surveillance state commentary was just too much and too bluntly done.
I dunno. I think Two-Face's thing was too rushed. If it had been done over two movies. Where you get to know and cement him as Harvey Dent in one movie, then destroy him in the second it might have worked. But he very quickly went from "I'm a good guy" to "I"M GONNA KILL CHILDREN" way too fast.
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We actually just re-watched the Nolan Batman Trilogy since I got the 4k versions. I found The Dark Knight to be the best "Batman" film since Batman and the Joker get a ton of screen time but I still feel like the Batman Begins is still the best story and actually The Dark Knight Rises gets better with each viewing.
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Anyone see the first trailer for the new Titans show?
It honestly looked like a fake trailer for someone making fun of how dark and gritty things have gotten.
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Wow, that does look terrible. DC just doesn't have their shit together.
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Happy 10th Anniversary to the greatest comic book movie of all time, THE DARK KNIGHT!!!
FYI, you spelled "Infinity War" wrong. Try spell-checking your posts. ;)
Im usually with you on a lot of film related subjects, but this isnt one of them. The Dark Knight is a great movie.
As iconic as Ledger was...and he WAS amazing...otherworldy even....I truly believe Aaron Eckhart’s Two-Face is the real standout for me.
The movie may have been about Batman and the Joker, but the true crux of the story is the battle for Harvey Dent’s soul and Eckhart plays that beautifully. That is the most important storyarc in the film.
It was good. But it suffered from the Nolan ON THE NOSE moralizing. The whole surveillance state commentary was just too much and too bluntly done.
I dunno. I think Two-Face's thing was too rushed. If it had been done over two movies. Where you get to know and cement him as Harvey Dent in one movie, then destroy him in the second it might have worked. But he very quickly went from "I'm a good guy" to "I"M GONNA KILL CHILDREN" way too fast.
I agree on both points. But the "surveillance state commentary" wasn't really that big a deal to me since it wasn't a major point. And while I don't disagree with you in general, I also sort of think we needed Fox to be Bruce's conscience on that issue and show that Bruce really had gone off the rails. It is an important counterpoint. And it highlights this important duality in Bruce's character where, on some issues, he adhere's VERY strictly to a certain moral code to the point where he cannot help but be overly rigid, even to his own detriment, whereas on other issues, he clearly crosses lines he shouldn't. This duality and contradiction is part of what makes him a compelling (and realistic) character.
I agree more on Two-Face's transformation. The flip did feel to sudden, especially given its extreme nature.
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Oh I wasn't against the overall point of the surveillance state thing. I just think it was too bluntly done.
Fox standing in front of the monitors and stating "This is wrong" is just extremely on the nose.
There could have been some more creative or subtle ways of getting that across.
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After seeing that Titans trailer I'm more convinced than ever DC needs to hang it up for a few years and seriously reconsider everything they've been doing with their properties. That trailer is embarrassing for several reasons. "Fuck Batman" indeed - they're dropping the ball left and right. Good lord.
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Didn't look too bad to me.
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What a great day for DC fans! We've got two awesome trailers from Comic-Con!
First Aquaman, probably the most anticipated trailer from the SDCC. Everyone wants to see what James Wan is going to do with a character that has been in the shadows of his silly Super Friends interpretation. However, all readers of the Aquaman comics know what Jason Mamoa did with the character is almost comic accurate. He is confident and reluctant, and more of those characterizations show in this trailer. Everything in this trailer looks fantastic. Looks like a fully realized movie. Atlantis looks beautiful. BLACK MANTA looks so badass!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oD7B7oiBtw
And the second trailer we got is for the original Captain Marvel in SHAZAM! This feels like "Big" meets superheroes. Maybe the best Superhero moment in any of the Comic Con trailers is Billy Baston walking towards the camera, yelling "Shazam!", and turning into Captain Marvel. Feels more like a MCU movie with all the jokes, which I hope doesn't undercut the dramatic moments (looking at you Ragnarok). I think kids will be drawn to this movie. A 12yr old who can transform into looking like a 30 yr old Superhero? Looks like a fun movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oD7B7oiBtw
They showed footage for Wonder Woman 1984 as well, but it hasn't been released.
With the very positive buzz coming out of the panel, the course direction Warner Bros is taking for their DC movies looks like it is paying off!
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I wasn't impressed by Aquaman. Looked like typical DC fair but with less DARK ANGRY GRITTY. Looked mostly like cut scenes from a video game.
Shazam! on the other hand looked fantastic. Really excited about that one.
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I was pretty meh on both of them tbh.
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Shazam! looks pretty fun based on that first trailer.
Agree with Adami on Aquaman. In addition to Cgi looking like it's from Green Lantern, acting from the two main's feels really wooden. I think I'll wait reviews on Aquaman, although this is just the first trailer..
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You guys are complaining about the CGI, which looks fine to me. It's a massive underwater movie. Of course it will be CGI heavy. You think they are gonna have real life trained dolphins and sharks with armor and freakin lasers on their heads? lol
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Had to do it ....
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Had to do it ....
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:lol :lol
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You guys are complaining about the CGI, which looks fine to me. It's a massive underwater movie. Of course it will be CGI heavy. You think they are gonna have real life trained dolphins and sharks with armor and freakin lasers on their heads? lol
This kind of misses the point of my criticism.
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Yikes. Shazam should bomb hard. Aquaman is reminding me a little too much of The Little Mermaid. We’ll see.
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I really enjoyed the Shazam trailer. It reminded me a little bit of Big. If they can create that nice balance of comedy, characters, and story that Big had, I think it could go really well.
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I rag on the DC films a lot (for good reason) but I have to say the Aquaman trailer makes it look way better than I expected. That's kind of what I was hoping they'd go for, super fantastical with the creatures all over the place, I don't really get a Little Mermaid vibe at all, and there are some dialogue bits I don't like but hey it looks good. Whether or not it is is another story.
Shazam looks just weird. The whole time I was watching - I don't know when they pitched Shazam, just to clarify - I kept thinking this was their attempt at trying to fix the brand's problem with humor and lighthearted character development. But it just looks so silly, from his name to the huge lightning bolt thing on his chest. Who knows. I really can't get a proper read on it from the trailer.
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Shazam looks just weird. The whole time I was watching - I don't know when they pitched Shazam, just to clarify - I kept thinking this was their attempt at trying to fix the brand's problem with humor and lighthearted character development. But it just looks so silly, from his name to the huge lightning bolt thing on his chest. Who knows. I really can't get a proper read on it from the trailer.
Weird, I'm the opposite. To me, it seemed like Aquaman was them trying desperately to fix the brand. It looks like the movie is largely a result of studio notes from the last few DC films. It just felt a bit....hollow.
Shazam! just looks like they're making a fun movie where it fits perfectly.
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I fear Aquaman is going to be hollow, but at least those were my first impressions from the trailer. It looks flashy but I still can't tell if it's actually going to be a good movie or that was just super selective editing. Is Shazam! going to have any connectivity with the main DC line of films, ie is he going to meet the Justice League or something?
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You ever she a hot girl and you think, "She must be great in bed", and then you spend the night and she's not.
Hold your horses on one trailer. :lol
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You ever she a hot girl and you think, "She must be great in bed", and then you spend the night and she's not.
Hold your horses on one trailer. :lol
Nope. But I will hold my rideable sharks. ;)
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Aquaman....I liked that Mantis is going to be in it.
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You mean Black Manta? Mantis is the chick from Guardians of the Galaxy. ;)
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:facepalm:
Thank you. Yes.
Been 30 years since I’ve seen the old Justice League cartoon.
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You ever she a hot girl and you think, "She must be great in bed", and then you spend the night and she's not.
Hold your horses on one trailer. :lol
Nope. But I will hold my rideable sharks. ;)
I'd pay to see that.
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I didn't get particularly excited by either the Shazam or Aquaman trailers, but as a lifelong comic book fan who collected tons of comic books growing up I will probably still see both in cinemas because even if its just temporary enjoyment my inner child gets a kick of seeing these movies.
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My excitement level for these is precisely zero. I've actually somehow seen all five films so far, but WW was the only one that came close to being good.
I saw Man of Steel because I genuinely wanted to. It had some cool moments, but was just too much of an over-the-top CGI fest that felt like it had no substance whatsoever.
Saw Suicide Squad one weekend when the wife and kids were away because it seemed intriguing. And Harley Quinn is a really cool character. It had some moments. But again turned into a CGE fest against a bad guy duo with very little substance.
On another weekend with everyone out of town, I saw Dawn of Justice and Justice League, which I recently posted about. Luthor was great. The rest...snooze fest.
WW was interesting. Some good character development. If not for the final battle with Ares being more of the same, it could have been a legitimately good movie. But while I can say I enjoyed it, it did not leave me wanted more from the same universe either.
Again, I'm actually kind of surprised to say that I've seen them all, albeit 4 of the 5 on home video only. There's not a single one that makes me want to watch again or makes me intrigued for the next in the series. Sorry to slag them. But part of it is just frustration and feeling like they really should be better than they are, and there is no really good reason why they aren't other than the folks in charge of making these be good films just simply not knowing how to make a good film (or not caring to).
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I think I'm in the minority when I say that the Aquaman Trailier looked REALLY cheesy to me. I think the lack of bubbles in the underwater scenes when they are speaking bothers me more than it should. They just look like they're flying around...not even under water. And the color scheme of the underwater shots is entirely too bright and shiny. It doesn't 'feel' or 'read' under water to me at all.
And by no means is this anywhere near an 'original' story idea. Unless something drastic happens between what we've seen on the trailer and the movie it appears to be a rehash of a story that's been told a thousand times.
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I think I'm in the minority when I say that the Aquaman Trailier looked REALLY cheesy to me. I think the lack of bubbles in the underwater scenes when they are speaking bothers me more than it should. They just look like they're flying around...not even under water. And the color scheme of the underwater shots is entirely too bright and shiny. It doesn't 'feel' or 'read' under water to me at all.
And by no means is this anywhere near an 'original' story idea. Unless something drastic happens between what we've seen on the trailer and the movie it appears to be a rehash of a story that's been told a thousand times.
If you’re in the minority, we’re in it together.
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I think I'm in the minority when I say that the Aquaman Trailier looked REALLY cheesy to me. I think the lack of bubbles in the underwater scenes when they are speaking bothers me more than it should. They just look like they're flying around...not even under water. And the color scheme of the underwater shots is entirely too bright and shiny. It doesn't 'feel' or 'read' under water to me at all.
And by no means is this anywhere near an 'original' story idea. Unless something drastic happens between what we've seen on the trailer and the movie it appears to be a rehash of a story that's been told a thousand times.
If you’re in the minority, we’re in it together.
+ another.
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Me too. Aquaman looks like a yawn fest
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I think I'm in the minority when I say that the Aquaman Trailier looked REALLY cheesy to me. I think the lack of bubbles in the underwater scenes when they are speaking bothers me more than it should.
Presumably, they are breathing through gills or something. It's not like they're holding their breath the whole time they're underwater. If they aren't using air as the medium of speech, there wouldn't be any air bubbles.
And by no means is this anywhere near an 'original' story idea.
The character has been around since 1941. What's better, an "original" story, or one true to the history of the character?
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I think I'm in the minority when I say that the Aquaman Trailier looked REALLY cheesy to me. I think the lack of bubbles in the underwater scenes when they are speaking bothers me more than it should.
Presumably, they are breathing through gills or something. It's not like they're holding their breath the whole time they're underwater. If they aren't using air as the medium of speech, there wouldn't be any air bubbles.
And by no means is this anywhere near an 'original' story idea.
The character has been around since 1941. What's better, an "original" story, or one true to the history of the character?
Just re-watched it to take a look and I don’t see gills. I’ll stick to my initial ‘cheesy’ assessment.....especially after a second view.
Their speech isn’t anyway modulated or affected under the water? I get you can’t muffle it and make it incomprehensible but making no effort at all to throw an ‘underwater effect’ on their speech?
They look like they’re flying....not swimming. There were a few scenes that showed some bubbles and associated shock waves from weapon movement....but still nothing with the speech.
Still maintain the ‘look’ of the under water world is way to bright and ‘cheery’. I get there are bioluminescent creatures in deep oceans that ‘light up’ the environment but they are specks on the backdrop of darkness. Those city scenes look like something out of a futuristic film/site ala Blade Runner.
As far as the story....for a Marvel Movie with that type of $$$ behind it the story should be innovative and interesting. This whole “He’s the rightful prince/ruler and his ‘evil’ brother is planning to destroy the world etc etc” is sooooo freaking tired by now. Throw some creativity into the mix would ya?
Just my opinion(s).....not intentionally trying to bag on the movie even before it’s released but I personally can’t get past that trailer given the resources available to make that movie.
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Yea. I remember reading early on how they found creative ways to deal with being underwater.
Apparently they just filmed it normally and added some bouncy hair.
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Yea. I remember reading early on how they found creative ways to deal with being underwater.
Apparently they just filmed it normally and added some bouncy hair.
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Yea. I remember reading early on how they found creative ways to deal with being underwater.
Apparently they just filmed it normally and added some bouncy hair.
Sounds like an 80's porn.
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You guys are nuts. Aquaman looks great. The effects aren't also 100%, but please, let's give Thanos a pass in that early Infinity War trailer. :\ He looked awful, but looked way better in the finished movie.
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You guys are nuts. Aquaman looks great. The effects aren't also 100%, but please, let's give Thanos a pass in that early Infinity War trailer. :\ He looked awful, but looked way better in the finished movie.
For me CGI overload is what kills it. It's hard to sell me on a full CGI character in a real set but it can be done, but when a whole world is made CGI it really takes me out of it. Same with Avatar or the SW prequels when they were out. You can say CGI is improving and thats true but fake will always be fake. It can be better looking fake, but there's always that element of error when I see it.
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You guys are nuts. Aquaman looks great. The effects aren't also 100%, but please, let's give Thanos a pass in that early Infinity War trailer. :\ He looked awful, but looked way better in the finished movie.
This isn’t a Marvel Vs DC thing. The trailer just looked goofy. We’re very much allowed that opinion. I doubt completes CG will make how they conceive of underwater shots to be better.
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You guys are nuts. Aquaman looks great. The effects aren't also 100%, but please, let's give Thanos a pass in that early Infinity War trailer. :\ He looked awful, but looked way better in the finished movie.
For me CGI overload is what kills it. It's hard to sell me on a full CGI character in a real set but it can be done, but when a whole world is made CGI it really takes me out of it. Same with Avatar or the SW prequels when they were out. You can say CGI is improving and thats true but fake will always be fake. It can be better looking fake, but there's always that element of error when I see it.
Hard to make half of a movie underwater. Lol
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You guys are nuts. Aquaman looks great. The effects aren't also 100%, but please, let's give Thanos a pass in that early Infinity War trailer. :\ He looked awful, but looked way better in the finished movie.
For me CGI overload is what kills it. It's hard to sell me on a full CGI character in a real set but it can be done, but when a whole world is made CGI it really takes me out of it. Same with Avatar or the SW prequels when they were out. You can say CGI is improving and thats true but fake will always be fake. It can be better looking fake, but there's always that element of error when I see it.
Hard to make half of a movie underwater. Lol
Well yeah but the big issue is the low quality of the DC movies so far. If they had been knocking it out of the park with the earlier movies I'd be hyped for this one - subpar CGI in the trailer or not.
The trailer makes me think about the CGI brain spasm inducing nightmares that was Justice League or BvS or the second half of MoS.
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To me it's the writing that's sub par so far for DC. Most would not complain about the CGI if the storyline was better.
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To me it's the writing that's sub par so far for DC. Most would not complain about the CGI if the storyline was better.
Definitely and there was nothing in the Aquaman trailer that looked interesting from a writing perspective. I understand why some would get hyped over a CGI underwater world if effects is what gets you going but from a story perspective it seems like a generic evil guy wants the throne that protagonist can claim and protagonist needs to overcome his personal issues and defeat bad guy and show he is worthy of the throne. Plus I mean just generally Aquaman was never a favorite hero of mine.
Like I said earlier I'll still probably end up seeing it in cinema but not sold after the trailer.
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So... are we gonna talk about how Henry Cavill is apparently out as Superman?
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/henry-cavill-as-superman-warner-bros-dc-universe-shake-up-1142306
Just please wipe this filthy slate clean and reboot in a few years. To quote a Reddit comment, "They're sitting on a goldmine and flooding it with diarrhea."
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So... are we gonna talk about how Henry Cavill is apparently out as Superman?
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/henry-cavill-as-superman-warner-bros-dc-universe-shake-up-1142306
Just please wipe this filthy slate clean and reboot in a few years. To quote a Reddit comment, "They're sitting on a goldmine and flooding it with diarrhea."
Woah. I didn't catch that. Such a lame situation.
I really love Gal Gadot's wonder woman (though I really didn't like the last 1/3 of her movie) and I actually really like Ezra Miller as The Flash.
But now with Superman and Bat-Man I guess gone? It's pretty difficult to find a way to keep half but not another half. Especially with an Aqua Man movie coming out?
Such a huge mess. I hope they make great movies eventually. Looking forward to Shazam. Not so much Aqua-man.
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Man, the DC movie universe is a total mess :facepalm:
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Wonder Woman, Harley Quinn, and Lex Luthor were good characters.
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Wonder Woman and Harley Quinn were good characters.
Agreed. Plus a few others I'm sure.
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I snipped the last few posts of the DC TV thread and moved them here as they were about the movies.
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Wonder Woman and Harley Quinn were good characters.
Agreed. Plus a few others I'm sure.
Yeah I'm down with that - Gal is a great WW and Margot Robbie is the perfect Harley but that Lex Luthor.. well, he sure is something else :lol
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Wonder Woman and Harley Quinn were good characters.
Agreed. Plus a few others I'm sure.
Yeah I'm down with that - Gal is a great WW and Margot Robbie is the perfect Harley but that Lex Luthor.. well, he sure is something else :lol
He was a VERY different interpretation of the character, sure, so I can see how plenty of people might not have liked it. But I thought it was well done.
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I for one am VERY glad that Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill are OUT as Batman and Superman, respectively. I also hope Jared Leto is done as Joker. I think Joaquin Phoenix was a good choice for that role.
Cavill was always so bland, and I never got the feeling he got the character of Superman quite right. And Affleck -- the guy is a really good writer and director, and I hated him as an actor. I think his Batman/Bruce Wayne portrayal wasn't as horrible as I thought it would initially be, but it wasn't GOOD either.
Frankly, I would love to see the script Affleck wrote for "The Batman." A few people who read it said it was the best Batman story they've read. And I believe it, because Affleck is a huge Batman fan. Would have been nice to see an Affleck story with a better Batman actor.
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And Affleck -- the guy is a really good writer and director, and I hated him as an actor. I think his Batman/Bruce Wayne portrayal wasn't as horrible as I thought it would initially be, but it wasn't GOOD either.
I would rate it slightly higher as "good," but not "great." And I'm not disagreeing with you, but in response to your point about his portrayal, how much of what you didn't like was his actual acting vs. how the character was written? Again, I'm not disagreeing with you, but just asking the question. It just seemed to me that the story that was written didn't really allow a lot of room for Batman to not feel a bit shallow no matter who was playing him. But I could be wrong.
And a follow-up question: How much of your reaction is just a visceral reaction because it wasn't Bale's/Nolan's Batman? As enamored as you are with that on-screen portrayal of Batman (and right so--I am as well), is it possible that that is influencing your feelings, even if only a little bit? Maybe for you, it isn't an issue. But I will fully admit that those films have me inherently biased against anyone else trying to portray that character.
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I would rate it slightly higher as "good," but not "great." And I'm not disagreeing with you, but in response to your point about his portrayal, how much of what you didn't like was his actual acting vs. how the character was written? Again, I'm not disagreeing with you, but just asking the question. It just seemed to me that the story that was written didn't really allow a lot of room for Batman to not feel a bit shallow no matter who was playing him. But I could be wrong.
Unfortunately with Affleck, he's one of those actors that very rarely seems to be able to be fully immerse me in a role that I forget it is the actor. He has in a couple of films, but his Batman/Bruce Wayne...it never felt like I forgot he was Ben Affleck. It could be just the scripts, obviously, and the lack of character development for sure.
And a follow-up question: How much of your reaction is just a visceral reaction because it wasn't Bale's/Nolan's Batman? As enamored as you are with that on-screen portrayal of Batman (and right so--I am as well), is it possible that that is influencing your feelings, even if only a little bit? Maybe for you, it isn't an issue. But I will fully admit that those films have me inherently biased against anyone else trying to portray that character.
Fair question. You know me better than anyone on here, and know I'm as hardcore a Bat-fan and collector as they come, including me absolutely being a Dark Knight Trilogy fanboy. But I was just as fond of Keaton's portrayal of the character back in the day. So I'd say it may have had a little bit of influence in how I felt when it was announced, but by the time I saw both Affleck films, it was at home, and enough time had passed where i just was looking to enjoy it. And he just didn't deliver for me. It never felt right. Bale is my favorite, for sure, but even he wasn't perfect. But its all in the test of "do I forget the actor when I see the movie and just watch the character?" For Keaton, that answer was yes. For Bale, that was yes. For Kilmer...it was spotty. For Clooney it was an absolute no. And Affleck - no. (Not counting Adam West, or animated Batman that is voiced by Conroy - who incidentally has the best Bat-voice.) I think he (Affleck) probably would have been better than Clooney in his own solo Bat-movie, but still, no. It was just "oh there's Affleck playing Batman," as opposed to "That's Batman." It's a feel thing. And that has been a problem with Affleck for me, for his entire career.
I totally understand why people dig him as Batman, and I obviously know there are people who despised the Nolan trilogy and Bale as Batman. Totally get it, and that's fine. Affleck wasn't for me. Rumors circulating about Kit Harrington as Batman. Not sure about that. Then again, I wasn't sold on Heath Ledger as the Joker until I saw it. And that was incredible. So who knows.
p.s. it also didn't help that the movies themselves (Bat v. Supes, Justice League) both sucked, IMO. I am very disappointed in DC/Warners. I thought they got Wonder Woman down pretty well, and have hopes for Aquaman, but I am in general very disappointed with Warners in the post-Dark Knight Trilogy era. They had a chance to fashion a more realistic way of presenting superheros, and instead they just got greedy and tried to be Marvel. I'm very glad the Dark Knight Trilogy is considered a full-on standalone. It's a shining pillar in a sea of mediocrity.
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I can only comment on Cavil, but I think that's a really unfortunate thing. I actually really like Cavil and think it's the writing/directed that resulted in such a sub-par Superman.
I remember someone telling a story of being at a party that he was at and being really upset and he came over and was super kind and cheered her up and she was like "this guy is naturally Superman". I feel like if they played to his strengths and didn't write Superman as this angry, sad, whatever angsty character, he'd be amazing in the role.
Affleck? Eh. He's fine. But we've had a ton of Batmans, and very few good ones.
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I don't know really anything about Cavill or even Superman for that matter, so this may not be worth anything, but from what I've heard the guy is a really talented actor and could be a great Superman if the writing for DC's films wasn't restricting him to being an emotionless machine.
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So... are we gonna talk about how Henry Cavill is apparently out as Superman?
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/henry-cavill-as-superman-warner-bros-dc-universe-shake-up-1142306
Just please wipe this filthy slate clean and reboot in a few years. To quote a Reddit comment, "They're sitting on a goldmine and flooding it with diarrhea."
You know, actually reading through that, there's nothing in there that proves he's leaving other than "sources". No official statements from anyone that say he's out. Just a ton of conjecture and sources. The same sources that have said 10000 other things about DC that don't pan out.
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At this point, WB shouldn’t worry about creating a DC shared cinematic universe, and just start making DC movies that don’t connect with each other, like their animated movies. Get good scripts written, get some talented filmmakers in, and make good movies. If Cavill is truly gone, that’s the course correction I would take.
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The DC streaming service is now live, and it makes me feel things that the 90% of the DCEU hasn't been able to. This fully restored Batman The Animated Series is so god damn beautiful :'(
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The DC streaming service is now live, and it makes me feel things that the 90% of the DCEU hasn't been able to. This fully restored Batman The Animated Series is so god damn beautiful :'(
Not planning to subscribe, but I do have the full deluxe remastered set of BTAS pre-ordered!
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I have the BTAS on DVD in its original format, and I like it just fine. Now leave me alone so I can go watch it on my 13" black and white tube TV. (...as soon as I finish screwing the converter box into the UHF antenna screws on the back so I can hook up the DVD player) :tick:
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I have the BTAS on DVD in its original format, and I like it just fine. Now leave me alone so I can go watch it on my 13" black and white tube TV. (...as soon as I finish screwing the converter box into the UHF antenna screws on the back so I can hook up the DVD player) :tick:
I sold it at Dimple, and then took the cash and put it toward the upgrade. The upgrade looks really, really good. Much clearer, richer color. But I'm just a PINCH more of a Bat-fanatic than you. :lol
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More to the point, I think you are much more of an audio-/video-phile than I am. (I still can't get my audio in my family room to sound right, but I think it is a combo of not having a more high-end system and the room itself, so I think I'm stuck with bad TV sound unless I spend a ton of $$$)
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More to the point, I think you are much more of an audio-/video-phile than I am. (I still can't get my audio in my family room to sound right, but I think it is a combo of not having a more high-end system and the room itself, so I think I'm stuck with bad TV sound unless I spend a ton of $$$)
I am, but I replaced my surround system with a soundbar. It still doesn't sound right. But I'm not shelling out thousands. :lol
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I just wanted to stop by and say that I watched Batman Begins and The Dark Knight over the weekend. Those movies are so good. Can't wait to finish with Dark Knight Rises soon. :hefdaddy
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I still can't figure out why I don't like Rises as much. I mean, I didn't dislike it. But I just feel like I should like it more than I did. It has good characters, a cool twist that made sense but still caught most people completely off-guard, a really nice feeling of continuity with the two prior films, and a satisfying resolution/arc-completion that made you feel like you were at the end of the story arc, but not the ends of these characters' lives. But I just don't find myself wanting to go back to it nearly as much as I thought I would have. I dunno. Maybe it's just the fact that it requires just a bit too much suspension of belief about Bruce's exile and healing in a series that otherwise feels very realistic even when it isn't. Hard to put my finger on.
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I used to wonder about the same, then I realised: way too many daylight scenes for a Batman movie.
It may seem crazy, but just think about it.
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I used to wonder about the same, then I realised: way too many daylight scenes for a Batman movie.
It may seem crazy, but just think about it.
Agreed. The nature of the film required it, but absolutely agree. I wonder how much the third film would have been altered had Heath Ledger lived, and the Joker been in it, as previously planned.
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I think one issue with the 3rd one is that it felt like it should have been 2 movies, while not really even having enough substance for one movie. It just felt much more hollow and typical comic book movie, which was odd after how game changing the first two were.
I still hold that, as a whole movie, Begins is the best of them.
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I loved - LOVED - the third one up until the very end. The ending with the bomb just doesn't feel right or that believable to me (insofar as that trilogy's universe goes) and Cotillard's acting when she slumps over in the truck is eyeroll-inducing to me. Otherwise, I still love the hell out of Rises. Tom Hardy's performance as Bane is great imo and I can't say enough good things about Batman getting his ass handed to him with no soundtrack, just the ambience of the water and Hardy breaking bones.
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For me, there is always a fine line of “suspension of disbelief”. Rises crossed that line.
“You’re spine is broken? No problem. Let’s just pop that sucker right back in, and you just do some pull ups for 6 months and you’ll be right as rain!!”
Sorry. That may have been the stupidest moment in any Batman film....and I’m including the Schumacher movies.
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That was stupid, but Bane kicking off the movie by literally dissecting an airplane with another airplane wasn't? :lol
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That was stupid, but Bane kicking off the movie by literally dissecting an airplane with another airplane wasn't? :lol
Oh, that was too... but it was unique and creative, and it actually seemed almost believable. That's something that has never happened in real life, so there's no "reality" to compare it against. Jammin's point about the injury, we can all relate.
I also had a big f'n problem that the US gov't/military would allow a siege in Pittsburgh ... er, Gotham... for 6 months without a plan or attempt to take it back from a terrorist organization.
And Bats takes a shank to the kidney, but is right-as-rain after Catwoman blasts the fuck out of Bane?
The best thing about TDKR is College Humour's "Batman has a dirty mind" skit.
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Have you seen how slowly things move down here? 6 months sounds right :neverusethis:
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The cops running into the mob of armed criminals (and two Tumblers) was also pretty stupid.
It never sat well with me that Bane and Talia were going to just allow themselves to die with Gotham when the bomb went off, either.
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The worst suspension of disbelief stretch for me is Roger Goodell and ESPN allowing a coup during a televised game.
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I loved - LOVED - the third one up until the very end. The ending with the bomb just doesn't feel right or that believable to me (insofar as that trilogy's universe goes) and Cotillard's acting when she slumps over in the truck is eyeroll-inducing to me. Otherwise, I still love the hell out of Rises. Tom Hardy's performance as Bane is great imo and I can't say enough good things about Batman getting his ass handed to him with no soundtrack, just the ambience of the water and Hardy breaking bones.
I agree. Recently watched the trilogy again and I still consider The Dark Knight the best Batman film but worst of "Film" of the trilogy based on story. I always forget how great Rises is. For being almost 3 hours the story is great.
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The worst suspension of disbelief stretch for me is Roger Goodell and ESPN allowing a coup during a televised game.
Right?!?!? And I wasn't aware there's a network of empty caverns under Heinz Field.
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The worst suspension of disbelief stretch for me is Roger Goodell and ESPN allowing a coup during a televised game.
Right?!?!? And I wasn't aware there's a network of empty caverns under Heinz Field.
Where do you think they mine all that ketchup?
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Pictures of Joaquin pheonix as the joker have emerged. Since I don't want to spoil it for people that don't want to see it yet. Here is the link:
https://www.justjared.com/2018/09/22/joaquin-phoenix-transforms-into-the-joker-while-filming-riot-scene/
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Looks surprisingly good actually. Hoping the movie matches up.
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Swing and a miss.
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Looking forward to his take on The Joker.
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So I thought Titans pilot episode was pretty good.
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Apparently, a new trailer dropped today. Saw this quote about it:
So, back to the trailer - we thoroughly impressed. So impressed that we are ready to forgive DCEU for disasters that were Man of Steel, Suicide Squad and Justice League.
I thought it looked pretty good. But then again, a lot of the DCU films have had trailers that made it look like the movies could be pretty good. So, yeah, I can't say I'm onboard with the sentiment expressed in that quote. But I'm not automatically writing it off just yet.
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I feel weird that the Aquaman trailers do.......absolutely nothing for me. I love Jason Momoa. I do. I even like the character. But this just looks boring. Endless CGI and pretty meh writing.
It feels like they filmed for a week or two and then just did the rest on computers. I dunno. Just not feeling it.
Shazam! on the other hand looks really fun.
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Yeah, I get that. Aside from weak writing in general, the biggest obstacle for me with the DC films has been the CGI. Not that it's done badly. But when it is used, the amount and the way it is done don't leave me feeling like I am watching anything real. I feel like I am watching a video game. Although there will obviously be a ton of CGI in this one, what I saw of it in that trailer just kind of...felt like it should look like that for all the water-related stuff they are doing. In context of the film, it might actually be too much. But I kind of liked what I saw in the trailer.
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Just watched the new trailer for the first time.
Still not feeling it. It's a real shame. I love Jason Momoa. I love Patrick Wilson. I love Willam Defoe. I love Nicole Kidman.
Still nothing.
Also, I think I heard like 4 "WAHOOOO"s in that trailer. Come on.
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I used to wonder about the same, then I realised: way too many daylight scenes for a Batman movie.
It may seem crazy, but just think about it.
It's not crazy.
(https://i.imgur.com/42pwdtQ.jpg)
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:rollin
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Surprised no one has spoken up yet. I’m seeing lots of Facebook feedback, but nothing here. And I tend to trust you guys’ artistic tastes more than my friends, soooo who has seen it?
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Considering it isn't out until the 21st ....
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Surprised no one has spoken up yet. I’m seeing lots of Facebook feedback, but nothing here. And I tend to trust you guys’ artistic tastes more than my friends, soooo who has seen it?
Haven't had any interest in this since the first trailer, but many of the reviews (outside of youtube comments and DC fanboys) has been "big dumb and loud." Luckily most people love big dumb and loud movies, so it'll make a good amount of money and be seen as the new direction for DC.
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Considering it isn't out until the 21st ....
Huh....I've seen several selfie posts "IN LINE FOR AQUAMAN!!" so I thought it was out Friday.
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I lost all interest in DC movies after Wonder Woman, went to see it with the gf and both hated it. Also, to this day, I still haven’t watched JL, so I doubt I’ll go watch this one.
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You cray cray gzarruk. That's the one movie that was very good. They others.....
Here's hoping for Aquaman.
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Considering it isn't out until the 21st ....
Huh....I've seen several selfie posts "IN LINE FOR AQUAMAN!!" so I thought it was out Friday.
Some countries in Europe/Asia have released it; 21st for North America.
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:lol
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You cray cray gzarruk. That's the one movie that was very good. They others.....
Eh, it was good, but I would also say it was WAY overrated. I think people generally rate it higher than it probably should be because Gal Gadot is so cute and because it is simply so much better than the other DC films, so it may seem better than it actually is just because of comparisons.
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Considering it isn't out until the 21st ....
Huh....I've seen several selfie posts "IN LINE FOR AQUAMAN!!" so I thought it was out Friday.
The theaters are running "sneak peek" early screenings. They did one for Transformers: Bumblebee on Dec. 8, and they have done it for Aquaman. That's why there is a lot of chatter. Plus media screenings as well. I haven't seen Aquaman yet, but have tickets for Friday afternoon (and Bumblebee on Saturday morning).
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You cray cray gzarruk. That's the one movie that was very good. They others.....
Eh, it was good, but I would also say it was WAY overrated. I think people generally rate it higher than it probably should be because Gal Gadot is so cute and because it is simply so much better than the other DC films, so it may seem better than it actually is just because of comparisons.
And it still had those awful DC movie CGI effects that make everything look like it was edited on a Play Station 1.
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You cray cray gzarruk. That's the one movie that was very good. They others.....
Eh, it was good, but I would also say it was WAY overrated. I think people generally rate it higher than it probably should be because Gal Gadot is so cute and because it is simply so much better than the other DC films, so it may seem better than it actually is just because of comparisons.
It was very good for most of it. Then the last bit was awful, which balances it all out to good. But the awfulness of the ending doesn't ruin how good the rest of it was.
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Still was a very good movie. So if you didn't like that don't even bother with the others.
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Just League had some good moments.
The Flash running and Superman seeing him was gold.
The rest...........eh.
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You cray cray gzarruk. That's the one movie that was very good. They others.....
Eh, it was good, but I would also say it was WAY overrated. I think people generally rate it higher than it probably should be because Gal Gadot is so cute and because it is simply so much better than the other DC films, so it may seem better than it actually is just because of comparisons.
It was very good for most of it. Then the last bit was awful, which balances it all out to good. But the awfulness of the ending doesn't ruin how good the rest of it was.
Pretty much this, although I don't agree that the end was awful. But it was definitely a big step down from the rest of the film which was great.
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I am a bit more even keeled than some in that I didn't hate the ending as much (I thought the CGI was bad, they de-volved an otherwise good and enigmatic villain to the point of genericness, and it just felt too much like a video game rather than a good story. It didn't "ruin" the movie by any stretch. But it wasn't good either), and I didn't think the rest of it was as great as most. The 95% leading up to the final sequence was "good." Some aspects were "very good," but some weren't good at all. Hey, that's a movie for you. Overall, it was a "good movie" to me. And that's fine.
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Yes, everything leading up to the final confrontation with Ares was perfectly set up, but the battle was extremely underwhelming and felt more like a random cgi showcase.
I don't know, but I considered the Man of Steel battle against Zod to be one of the most climactic battles ever, it just felt so awesome and brought me back some really cool Matrix vibes, which is something that is welcome and I enjoyed it 'till the end.
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Aquaman was good. It suffered from CGI overload at a few points, but what superhero movie doesn't these days. Glad to see the DCEU starting to make good movies. Hopefully they can keep it up.
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How the fuck did Manta survive?
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Well, popular theory out there is that, not only her, but ALL of the people who turned to dust after the snap will come back, so...
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Seeing it tomorrow
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Seriously though, his head exploded, melted, and then he bounced of about a thousand rocks on the way down. When he finally stopped, in my head I said that if he survived I was gonna rage.
Pretty fun flick overall, though a bit overdone at many points. They really lost me in the first few bits when Momoa was doing the dramatic pauses, but thankfully that was it. Also, if his skin is so impenetrable, even had that sword clink off it in the submarine, how did he ever get inked?
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Just got back from seeing it. I thought the trailer looked hokey, but I ended up liking it more than any of the other DC movies so far.
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Saw it with Mrs. P yesterday. We give it 2.5 stars out of 4.
The chemistry between Jason and Amber was the best part but overall the movie lacked in story and dialog. Way too much action, cgi (hokey at times), and unintentional comedy. When Dafoe was doing the spinning trident thing I whispered to Mrs. P, "If done right, no can defense." In the final battle when Aquaman started doing it too, we busted up laughing. We got a few strange looks from other movie goers.
Anyway, entertaining once, but I've no desire to see it again.
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For the final battle, I wasn't sure if I'd time-warped back to 2002 and was re-watching the final battle of Attack of the Clones. Then The Kraken from Clash of the Titans showed up (though it was more like a Crab-Kraken), and knew it wasn't 2002.
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Saw it with Mrs. P yesterday. We give it 2.5 stars out of 4.
The chemistry between Jason and Amber was the best part but overall the movie lacked in story and dialog. Way too much action, cgi (hokey at times), and unintentional comedy. When Dafoe was doing the spinning trident thing I whispered to Mrs. P, "If done right, no can defense." In the final battle when Aquaman started doing it too, we busted up laughing. We got a few strange looks from other movie goers.
Anyway, entertaining once, but I've no desire to see it again.
It's scary hen a wife get's a man's humor. :lol
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Saw it with Mrs. P yesterday. We give it 2.5 stars out of 4.
The chemistry between Jason and Amber was the best part but overall the movie lacked in story and dialog. Way too much action, cgi (hokey at times), and unintentional comedy. When Dafoe was doing the spinning trident thing I whispered to Mrs. P, "If done right, no can defense." In the final battle when Aquaman started doing it too, we busted up laughing. We got a few strange looks from other movie goers.
Anyway, entertaining once, but I've no desire to see it again.
It's scary hen a wife get's a man's humor. :lol
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What's scary is how your misspellings can make any post more amusing. :biggrin:
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That's not scary. That's accepted! :lol
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I just saw Aquaman. It was the dumbest movie I've seen in a long time. I freakin' loved it :lol
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Just saw the movie, Cheesy one-liner, weak plot, but overall descent.
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Watched it twice. Actually enjoyed the second viewing a lot better. Yeah the plot may be dumb but the execution is near flawless.
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The plot was predictable.
Of course he was gonna lose the trial by combat match against his brother, to go on a hero's journey.
Of course Nicole Kidman wasn't dead.
Of course he would get the trident.
Of course he would fall for the redhead.
And so on and on. Still, it was quite fun, maybe just a bit too long, but it was entertaining and even exciting at times. Another solid move like Wonder Woman, basically as long as Batman and Superman aren't involved, they're managing to make these movies right ;D
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Saw Shazam! yesterday. I really, really liked it. So much fun, so much heart. Defenitely the most concise movie in the current DC franchise.
Zach Levi kills it and the kid who plays Freddie is really good as well. Actually, the entire foster family is really good.
Mark Strong did a fine job as Dr. Sivana, even though he plays the standard evil-guy.
A lot of cool little easter eggs and references, but it still is a completely stand-alone movie.
8/10 - definitely worth watching! ;D
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Jingle.son was an extra on this one. The whole family is going to see it tomorrow night. Looking forward to it.
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Shazam was pretty great!
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Shazam was all sorts of fun and heart.
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Saw it Friday night with the whole family. jingle.son was an extra, and though I missed the quick shot of him, he mentioned that he is pretty visible in the flick. Lots of fun, lots of laughs. Overall, likely the best DC movie so far. It was like a family-friendly version of Deadpool meets Spider-Man.
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I enjoyed it. I liked the Easter Egg to the last incarnation of Shazam (I assume he's one person again?) Could somebody explain the post credit scene? I imagine that was for the fans
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Apparently, Robert Pattinson is playing the new Batman in Matt Reeves new movie. Reeves is reportedly exploring the detective side of Batman which should be a great take on it.
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Apparently, Robert Pattinson is playing the new Batman in Matt Reeves new movie. Reeves is reportedly exploring the detective side of Batman which should be a great take on it.
I don't really pay a lot of attention to actors. I had friends send this news to me last night, laughing. I reminded them all I knew of Heath Ledger was kissing some gay cowboy, and how I thought him being The Joker could be a clusterfuck. Obviously, LEdger delivered an iconic performance. So, I'm just trusting that Reeves has got the perfect guy to tell his more "detective" version of Batman story. I am looking forward to that approach. That's sort of where I thought a fourth Nolan film should go. Flesh out that side of the character, involve The Riddler, and make him a serial killer to a degree as well.
Pattison is an accomplished actor, and I'm looking forward to a new Bat-film. I was no fan of Affleck, so really looking forward to this reboot.
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...So, I'm just trusting that Reeves has got the perfect guy to tell his more "detective" version of Batman story. I am looking forward to that approach. That's sort of where I thought a fourth Nolan film should go. Flesh out that side of the character, involve The Riddler, and make him a serial killer to a degree as well.
Yeah, that could have been really cool. Even though I felt like the third film fell flat and had some missteps, I really loved Nolan's overall arc and his take on the characters. I think another film or two, or even a second trilogy could have focused on that aspect of the character. It could have started with Bruce firmly in retirement, but coming to the realization that, without Batman, things were getting out of control. And then him facing the dilemma of feeling inexorably drawn back to donning the cowl and cape, but not being physically able to do it as the street-fighting "superhero," and so opting, of necessity, to go more the detective route (and it also being of necessity due to the nature of the villain). Then, supplementing that arc, you maybe bring in Robin and the mentoring relationship borne out of need to have that physical element, but Bruce being physically incapable of bringing that himself, and him eventually then just passing the torch. With Nolan's sense of character and tone, I would have loved to have seen him build that type of arc in his own Gotham universe.
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...So, I'm just trusting that Reeves has got the perfect guy to tell his more "detective" version of Batman story. I am looking forward to that approach. That's sort of where I thought a fourth Nolan film should go. Flesh out that side of the character, involve The Riddler, and make him a serial killer to a degree as well.
Yeah, that could have been really cool. Even though I felt like the third film fell flat and had some missteps, I really loved Nolan's overall arc and his take on the characters. I think another film or two, or even a second trilogy could have focused on that aspect of the character. It could have started with Bruce firmly in retirement, but coming to the realization that, without Batman, things were getting out of control. And then him facing the dilemma of feeling inexorably drawn back to donning the cowl and cape, but not being physically able to do it as the street-fighting "superhero," and so opting, of necessity, to go more the detective route (and it also being of necessity due to the nature of the villain). Then, supplementing that arc, you maybe bring in Robin and the mentoring relationship borne out of need to have that physical element, but Bruce being physically incapable of bringing that himself, and him eventually then just passing the torch. With Nolan's sense of character and tone, I would have loved to have seen him build that type of arc in his own Gotham universe.
Other hardcore fans of TDK Trilogy may disagree, but I think the ending of The Dark Knight Rises was a perfect opportunity just for that (bolded part). Although as has played out over time, with exceptions in various story arcs, Bruce Wayne IS Batman. My thought is that when Robin (Blake) finds the note and the cave, at the same time, Bruce and Selina, while on holiday in Europe -- that never works. That relationship never works. It's a dead giveaway to a setup of Bruce coming back. His money is recovered by Alfred (remember, "remainder to Alfred Pennyworth") and Bruce returns after the Selina fling ends. And "Robin" becomes Robin, and Bruce trains him, and they go on. At least for the next several years. Blake's age isn't given, but looking at the character, I think he's supposed to be in his early 20s. Bruce is...38 I believe. So there's ample time for another trilogy of sorts, going on that angle you were talking about.
My thought always was that at some point, you do Riddler, work in Penguin, and at some point bring back The Joker, and make a true live-action arc of The Death in the Family, where Robin is brutalized by the Joker (in the comics, it was Jason Todd being killed), which sets Batman off the deep end. I would have LOVED Nolan to do something with that, in his own way. But oh well.
That's not at all where I think Reeve's story would go, I think he's very much got his own detective-based movie that is totally separate from Nolan's trilogy. But we'll see.
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Very curious to see if/how The Batman is worked into the DCEU. Or if they're just going to scrap the whole thing and just make solo movies.
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Apparently, Robert Pattinson is playing the new Batman in Matt Reeves new movie. Reeves is reportedly exploring the detective side of Batman which should be a great take on it.
I don't really pay a lot of attention to actors. I had friends send this news to me last night, laughing. I reminded them all I knew of Heath Ledger was kissing some gay cowboy, and how I thought him being The Joker could be a clusterfuck. Obviously, LEdger delivered an iconic performance. So, I'm just trusting that Reeves has got the perfect guy to tell his more "detective" version of Batman story. I am looking forward to that approach. That's sort of where I thought a fourth Nolan film should go. Flesh out that side of the character, involve The Riddler, and make him a serial killer to a degree as well.
Pattison is an accomplished actor, and I'm looking forward to a new Bat-film. I was no fan of Affleck, so really looking forward to this reboot.
Yep!
I'm speaking frankly here for anyone who just knows him from Twilight: Robert Pattinson is arguably the finest actor of his generation. I don't say that lightly, the man has been getting better and better since 2012 and has been on fire for the past two years. We are ridiculously lucky that he appears to be our new Batman. I actually had him as my personal dark horse fan-cast for the past year and didn't think it'd actually happen.
And yes, the example with Heath Ledger is on point. This tends to be a recurring thing with Batman castings; the more unconventional a choice, the bigger initial backlash from fans and then the ultimate payoff in theaters later. It happened with Keaton in the 1980's, it happened with Ledger in 2006 and it happened with Affleck too (though he was brought down by a mediocre film).
I am expecting some very impressive things to come from Matt Reeves and Robert Pattinson with this new era of Batman films.
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Very curious to see if/how The Batman is worked into the DCEU. Or if they're just going to scrap the whole thing and just make solo movies.
They should focus on making a great Batman trilogy first.
Regarding Pattinson, he is a great actor regardless of the Twilight baggage he carries with him.
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I'm just really pleased at the get-go that the new Batman story is going to focus more on his detective skills. Nothing like that has really been done yet. All we got was Batman '89 having Batman figure out the Joker's formula, and Bale's Batman dabbling a bit in various detective-oriented things with Alfred and Blake/Robin doing his thing. A full on detective-thriller with Batman, with action playing a more supporting thing, is something I'm really excited to see.
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So Robert Pattinson is now OFFICIALLY cast as Batman.
I really like the choice.
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I've only seen Pattinson in High Life, and while think it's not a good movie, he was really fantastic in it.
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Nolan cast him in Tenet. That will be how I'll judge his ability. I'm going into The Batman with an open mind. It's entirely possible he'll be horrible, or that the film is targeting a younger audience and I'll hate it all. Or, it could be outstanding. But I'm not going to waste a ton of mental imagery bitching about casting just because the guy had a prominent role in some tweeny Vampire series. Again, Ledger was a gay cowboy...and nailed one of the most iconic roles and performances ever.
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Just saw the trailer for Birds of Prey. Could Margot Robbie be any hotter.
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Nolan cast him in Tenet. That will be how I'll judge his ability. I'm going into The Batman with an open mind. It's entirely possible he'll be horrible, or that the film is targeting a younger audience and I'll hate it all. Or, it could be outstanding. But I'm not going to waste a ton of mental imagery bitching about casting just because the guy had a prominent role in some tweeny Vampire series. Again, Ledger was a gay cowboy...and nailed one of the most iconic roles and performances ever.
I realize I'm ridiculously late in replying here ( :biggrin: ), but if you'd like a better and more immediate idea of just how damn good of an actor Pattinson is, I highly recommend checking out his performance in Robert Eggers' The Lighthouse. Both he and Willem Dafoe should have been nominated for Oscars for their performances in that film IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyag7lR8CPA
Pattinson starts off a bit timid, but by the end, he brings out an intensity in his performance reminiscent of Jack Nicholson in The Shining or Daniel Day Lewis in There Will Be Blood. Dude has some insane range and is going to rock as Batman!
Also, can I just say that the cast of this film feels like it's one of the best ever? So far we've got:
- Robert Pattinson as Bruce Wayne/Batman
- Jeffrey Wright as Commissioner Gordon
- Zoe Kravitz as Catwoman
- Paul Dano as the Riddler
- Colin Farrell as the Penguin
- Andy Serkis as Alfred Pennyworth
- John Turturro as Carmine Falcone
- Peter Sarsgaard in an unknown role
I love how out of the box and inspired a lot of these picks are. Reeves has a habit of picking character actors in his films and it's nice to see the trend continue here. Also love that he's working with Rogue One's Greig Fraser for the cinematography and Michael Giacchino for the score. Hopefully we finally get a soundtrack more akin to Danny Elfman's work in the Burton films or Shirley Walker's work on Batman: The Animated Series!
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Pattinson and Dafoe definitely should have been nominated in their respective categories! Taron Edgerton should have also been nominated for "Rocketman"
Anyway, back to Batman. I think Pattinson is a great choice for Bruce Wayne! He is a great actor whose career still has the "Twilight" stigma. Andy Serkis, Paul Dano, Collin Farrel, love all the casting choices so far. The team bringing this to life has a lot of talent, that's for sure.
So, I'm pretty excited to see this version of Batman. Hoping it has nothing to do with the DCEU and is a self-contained story.
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Eh. I'm not sold yet. I'm not here to disparage Pattinson as an actor (I didn't see The Lighthouse, but what I have seen by him that wasn't "Twilight" has been okay, but didn't rock my world), but acting is only part of it. I just found Affleck believable as a guy that could hold his own with Superman, but also catch Gal Gadot's eye, but also play the charming rogue, but also play the convincing businessman... sure I'm sure Pattinson can play any one of those, but can he play ALL of them?
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Gotta say, I really love this first look we had recently of Pattinson as Batman. Personally I was never a big fan of Batfleck's costume in the DCEU, despite it being very 'comic accurate.' Unlike most other superheroes, I feel like Batman best works in live action when you take some creative liberties and go for something clearly inspired and grounded in the original idea of the suit, but interpret it a bit more realistically. To that end, what we're seeing of this new Batsuit works perfectly and actually kinda feels like a love letter to a bunch of previous different depictions of the character in comics and other media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN6b6JngKNw
Michael Giacchino also confirmed that the music in this video is an early sample of his new theme for Batman for the film's soundtrack, which I dig a lot. Sounds a lot like John Carpenter and Batman: The Animated Series/Mask of the Phantasm's composer, Shirley Walker, blended together. Feels like a breath of fresh air after having Hans Zimmer dominate Batman's soundscape for 15 years or so.
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New suit looks cool. Helmet is WAY too similar to Daredevil, but hopefully the rest will make up for it.
Also the (possible) gun as his bat in the middle was a really cool touch.
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EM... Hmmm. I have to watch that again. I couldn't tell what was what, and at most glances it looks like he has this huge head.
I don't think I'm going to like this much.
Funny comment though: "I've seen Batman's parents die so many times they're gonna call me in to testify."
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EM... Hmmm. I have to watch that again. I couldn't tell what was what, and at most glances it looks like he has this huge head.
I don't think I'm going to like this much.
Funny comment though: "I've seen Batman's parents die so many times they're gonna call me in to testify."
They're using a different material than usual for the cowl, hence why it looks a bit different compared to the old suits (I dig it though, makes the mask look more like a skull IMO). Admittedly that red lighting obscures a lot of what we can see. There's a few edits out there though that brighten up the scene and one that converts the footage to B&W and it's a lot easier to see what's going on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXdzGpglNM
I'm hoping to see a fuller look of the suit soon. They'll be filming at a very Gothic looking cemetery and cathedral in Glasgow tomorrow, so hopefully we get to see the suit in full and maybe the new Batmobile too.
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That makes it look a lot better (seriously). Thank you!
I like the eyes. Still has the potential to make Pattinson's melon head look like a, well, melon. :)
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Not a fan. After Batfleck finally getting the suit to look right on film, this seems like a big step backwards to me.
I'll still watch the film.
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If this turns out to be a trilogy or something, I don't mind if the bat suit in the first movie looks a bit 'amateurish' (for lack of a better word). As long as you can tell it's Batman - if it's him early in his career crime fighting, I don't mind if he starts out with a cheaper looking costume only to improve it and then moving forward they get better and cooler. Either way this first look doesn't really give us a good look, only a glimpse.
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(https://i2-prod.glasgowlive.co.uk/incoming/article17793039.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_JS207020100.jpg)
Honestly, it totally depends on the take their going for in the movie. If the suit makes sense in the world they're making, then it'll be good. If it doesn't, then it won't. So I'll wait to fully judge til I see a trailer and get an idea for the feel of the movie.
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I look at that suit and think" How can he move in hand to hand combat?
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This new grown up cartoon for Harley Quinn on the SYFY network is amazing!
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This new grown up cartoon for Harley Quinn on the SYFY network is amazing!
Need to check that out. Heard great things.
Also Ruby Rose has quit Batwoman after one season. I may be the only person here who watches (and largely enjoys) the CW shows so it’s a huge deal. I can’t think of another time a titual tv character was recast in the past decade or two though I’m sure it’s happened a ton.
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That's too bad. I like her as an actress.
Adami, the tone of the Harley Quinn cartoon is right up your alley.
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This new grown up cartoon for Harley Quinn on the SYFY network is amazing!
Need to check that out. Heard great things.
Also Ruby Rose has quit Batwoman after one season. I may be the only person here who watches (and largely enjoys) the CW shows so it’s a huge deal. I can’t think of another time a titual tv character was recast in the past decade or two though I’m sure it’s happened a ton.
Didn't the Green Arrow guy get recast after the first season?
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Nope.
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Looks like the "SynderCut" of Justice League is happening. (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/zack-snyder-release-the-snyder-cut-justice-league-hbo-max-1234611928/) Honestly don't know if that will make the movie better or worse. I'm reading that it's 4 hours long with plans to maybe release it as a series.
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Looks like the "SynderCut" of Justice League is happening. (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/zack-snyder-release-the-snyder-cut-justice-league-hbo-max-1234611928/) Honestly don't know if that will make the movie better or worse. I'm reading that it's 4 hours long with plans to maybe release it as a series.
Oh thank Cage.
Honestly, it might be a little better, but there's no way I'll think it's a good movie. Justice League was a complete mess. His cut might improve, but unless it's just a 100% different script, it's not going to be a good movie.
But either way it's good because now people can shut up and just move on. I'm glad this will finally be over. Some fans will think it's genius. Some fans will think it's worse. Most people will shrug and be like "alrighty."
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Micheal Keaton may be back as batman
https://www.thewrap.com/batman-returns-michael-keaton-bruce-wayne-the-flash-movie/
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Micheal Keaton may be back as batman
https://www.thewrap.com/batman-returns-michael-keaton-bruce-wayne-the-flash-movie/
Yeah, according to The Hollywood Reporter, seems like the plan is to try and integrate Keaton's Batman into the DCEU as a Nick Fury type role to replace Batfleck as a result of the Flash movie introducing and exploring the concept of multi-verses. Meanwhile the Robert Pattinson Batman trilogy that Matt Reeves is working on will exist in its own separate continuity, like Joker and the Nolan trilogy, but will be the primary focus of Batman on the big screen.
Honestly I dig the idea. From what I can tell based on the set photos and officially released stills of The Batman, it seems like Reeves is aiming for a gritty take on Gotham (feels like "Batman: The Animated Series meets Year One" to me), so Battinson will probably benefit from not currently co-existing in a world populated by a ton of other heroes with various superpowers. And on the other side of the coin, bringing back Keaton as a mentor/Nick Fury type role for the more comic-y parts of the DC world taps into nostalgia and also opens up room to allow Warner Bros to try other parts of Batman Lore that hasn't really been tried in live action yet (i.e. Batman Beyond, Kingdom Come).
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Keaton reprising Batman in a Flash movie sounds very interesting to me assuming it's a parallel universe type thing where Flash ends up in a different reality where you get the continuation of the Burton Batman films. However if this is not an alternative reality situation then it just makes me quite confused. Like the DCEU continuity and universe has to be one of the biggest piles of crap ever? Not talking about the quality of the films but their plan (or lack of plan) is just very confusing. Like you got the Snyder ones and Suicide Squad that are connected to Aquaman, then you have Shazam which is technically connected but feels like a whole other universe. Then you have a reboot of Batman and a Flash movie coming like 5 years after Justice League..
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It's got to be a Batman Beyond where Bruce is old and he's training a new protege.
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It's got to be a Batman Beyond where Bruce is old and he's training a new protege.
A Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker kind of thing would be fantastic
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Keaton reprising Batman in a Flash movie sounds very interesting to me assuming it's a parallel universe type thing where Flash ends up in a different reality where you get the continuation of the Burton Batman films. However if this is not an alternative reality situation then it just makes me quite confused. Like the DCEU continuity and universe has to be one of the biggest piles of crap ever? Not talking about the quality of the films but their plan (or lack of plan) is just very confusing. Like you got the Snyder ones and Suicide Squad that are connected to Aquaman, then you have Shazam which is technically connected but feels like a whole other universe. Then you have a reboot of Batman and a Flash movie coming like 5 years after Justice League..
Well, we don't know all of the specifics yet, but it's been confirmed for awhile that The Flash movie is going to be based on the Flashpoint storyline where Barry Allen uses his powers to travel back in time to stop his mother from being murdered... only to result in a horrific new timeline, and he has to ultimately work to fix everything. However by the time it's all over, the timeline Barry lives in is still a bit different from the one before, but it's as close as he's going to get anytime soon.
From the sound of things, there'll probably be a lot of deviations from the original comic and it might tie more into the multiverse, but the easy guess is Barry will wind up in the Burtonverse and meet Keaton's Batman there. Then at the end of the film, after 'fixing' everything, Keaton's Batman will be probably retconned into the new status quo of the DCEU and replace Batfleck from the timeline. That way he'll co-exist with Flash, Wonder Woman, Shazam, Harley Quinn and Aquaman (which are all part of the DCEU, even if they differ from one another tonally).
So basically I'm guessing we meet Keaton again and it'll be the same timeline as the Burton films, which will then kinda be 'written over' the existing canon for Batfleck in the mainline DCEU at the end of the film. We'll see what happens. :lol
It's got to be a Batman Beyond where Bruce is old and he's training a new protege.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if we get Batman Beyond. However there's been some murmurs from the various film reporters that Bruce might wind up coaching and training Batgirl instead, since that movie is still on the docks at Warner Bros.
Either way, if Keaton comes back, I'd wager we see him don the Batsuit at least a few times before it's all over. Maybe some sort of blend of his Batman Returns suit and the one from Kingdom Come?
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That would still be cool. Surprised there has been no rumors of Batgirl though.
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That would still be cool. Surprised there has been no rumors of Batgirl though.
Batgirl was reported to be in the works a few years ago, but it's been radio silent on progress for like a year and a half due to WB focusing on the Matt Reeves film for now, I think. No casting or director attached to the film yet, though I believe Christina Hobson (the writer for Birds of Prey and Bumblebee) is writing the script.
Either way, I'm in for more Keaton Batman. I LOVE everything that I've seen and heard about the Pattinson movie so far; Matt Reeves is one of the more underrated directors working in Hollywood today and the sheer talent of actors working on that film is monstrous. But I'm all for Keaton succeeding Affleck in the DCEU if Reeves and Pattinson's Gotham will exist in its own world apart from the mainline DCEU films. Gives the audience both sides of the equation imo; more comic-y stuff and crossover potential with Keaton and a grittier, more idiosyncratic take with Pattinson.
I mean, let's be real, there's a reason why most of the critically revered superhero films that are ones that aren't part of a full blown cinematic universe. I love the MCU, but it's more of a Hollywood budget TV show. Films like The Dark Knight, Joker, Logan or even Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse are bit too... unique in their craft to fit in with a perfectly oiled franchise machine that prioritizes continuity and long form storytelling over the course of dozens of films. So I'm all for Reeves and Pattinson filling that void while Keaton handles the DCEU.
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I'm excited to see Keaton back...if it happens.
I do not want him to be the Nick Fury of the DCEU. They need to stop trying to be Marvel and focus on their stand alone films with minor crossing over, they seem to do best then.
Also....this is The Flash movie we're talking about. They've had like 10 writers and directors join and then drop out and it's not even clear if Ezra Miller is going to be coming back. So I have no idea when this movie is even going to happen. It seems pretty doomed.
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As one of this forums resident Bat-a-holics, I love Keaton reprising his role. Long overdue. Frankly, after The Dark Knight Trilogy, I half expected DC/Warners to do a live action movie of The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel starring Keaton (aside from the obvious that Joker appeared to have died in Batman '89). Instead we got Bat-Fleck, who as most of you know, I thought was terrible in every regard.
I've never been big on The Flash as a character. I'll see it, however, because of Keaton and Batman.
I also have to say that while I know Batman Beyond has a big following, I've never been able to really get behind anyone other than Bruce Wayne being Batman. I tried watching the series. I got a few episodes in, and it just didn't resonate. I would, however, give it a shot if it was made into some sort of standalone film with Keaton.
It seems like Reeves' "The Batman" is now regarded as a standalone series, much in the way Nolan's The Dark Knight Trilogy was. I'm very interested in how Pattison is as Bruce Wayne/Batman. But honestly, I think it does his portrayal of Batman a disservice, since everyone is going to be much more into seeing Keaton.
I can't help but think Warners is blowing it again. They had a great thing with The Dark Knight Trilogy. They blew that up to try and catch up to Marvel/Disney and all the Avengers stuff. That blew up in Warners' face. Then they do a great standalone Joker film to huge acclaim, and announce a new Batman. But then they now announce Keaton reprising his role, pretty much relegating Pattison to "the other guy playing Batman" status.
SMH.
Warners just never gets out of its own way...
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As one of this forums resident Bat-a-holics, I love Keaton reprising his role. Long overdue. Frankly, after The Dark Knight Trilogy, I half expected DC/Warners to do a live action movie of The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel starring Keaton (aside from the obvious that Joker appeared to have died in Batman '89). Instead we got Bat-Fleck, who as most of you know, I thought was terrible in every regard.
I've never been big on The Flash as a character. I'll see it, however, because of Keaton and Batman.
I also have to say that while I know Batman Beyond has a big following, I've never been able to really get behind anyone other than Bruce Wayne being Batman. I tried watching the series. I got a few episodes in, and it just didn't resonate. I would, however, give it a shot if it was made into some sort of standalone film with Keaton.
It seems like Reeves' "The Batman" is now regarded as a standalone series, much in the way Nolan's The Dark Knight Trilogy was. I'm very interested in how Pattison is as Bruce Wayne/Batman. But honestly, I think it does his portrayal of Batman a disservice, since everyone is going to be much more into seeing Keaton.
I can't help but think Warners is blowing it again. They had a great thing with The Dark Knight Trilogy. They blew that up to try and catch up to Marvel/Disney and all the Avengers stuff. That blew up in Warners' face. Then they do a great standalone Joker film to huge acclaim, and announce a new Batman. But then they now announce Keaton reprising his role, pretty much relegating Pattison to "the other guy playing Batman" status.
SMH.
Warners just never gets out of its own way...
Just as an aside, it's spelled Pattinson, not Pattison! :biggrin:
As for your point about Batman Beyond, I can definitely understand not getting behind the whole show. It gets spotty in places and while the show has a lot of great moments, I think most fans would agree that the absolute best part related to it is the movie Return of the Joker. Hands down my favorite performance from Mark Hamill as the Joker right there. The flashback sequence detailing Bruce's final run-in with Joker in the old animated universe is one of the best bits of Batlore ever. Highly recommend it if you've never seen it!
As for Keaton potentially overshadowing Pattinson... I'll admit that I'm a little bit worried too as a fellow Bat-a-holic, but it sounds like the plan is for Keaton to mostly play a supporting role in the DCEU films, while the bulk of Warner's focus for Batman will be on Pattinson. At the end of the day, I think movie goers will care more about whether or not WB are putting out good films than which is connected to what.
And I know there's a lot of interest surrounding the Pattinson films. It's a clean slate for a new take on Batman and I've personally noticed from a number of interviews that there's a surprisingly genuine sense of confidence and excitement coming from the cast and crew on this film. They're not saying the usual "It's going to be epic"/"It'll be fun" zinger that you hear celebrities use to promote the average blockbusters, instead we've got folks like Paul Dano, Colin Ferrell, Andy Serkis, Zoe Kravitz and Peter Sarsgaard all talking about how emotional Reeves' script is and talk about it being quite powerful and dark.
Plus Pattinson is going to hit the big screen before Keaton returns in The Flash by at least a year, maybe two. So I'd wager that if Reeves delivers the goods with The Batman next fall, we're all good for fans showing continued interest in that iteration of Gotham moving forward.
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MG -- thanks on that. I knew it was wrong, but I've been writing all day and was too lazy to go back and fix it. LOL.
Trust me, I DO want to watch the Batman Beyond series due to the return of the Joker stuff. I've had the set in my Amazon cart like six times and just didn't pull the trigger. We'll see.
At the end of the day, I think movie goers will care more about whether or not WB are putting out good films than which is connected to what.
In general, yes, of course. I'm just saying that WB has continually shot itself in the foot trying to play catch up to Disney/Marvel. And by having TWO Batmans in feature films, it feels...strange. Good point about there not being any timing issues, and the fact that Keaton's role is as a supporting character. But Keaton...has a way of just taking the spotlight. He was awesome as Batman, and people are freaking out about it, which again, will have some people looking at the Pattinson Batman (the casting having people up in arms in the first place) a bit more skeptically.
For me, I'm eager for it all. But Keaton will overshadow it all. WB should know that. Why do that, now, as you're trying to build to relaunch Batman with a new actor?
Anyway, just thinking out loud. I've written 21,000 words today. I'm tired. Good night. LOL.
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MG -- thanks on that. I knew it was wrong, but I've been writing all day and was too lazy to go back and fix it. LOL.
Trust me, I DO want to watch the Batman Beyond series due to the return of the Joker stuff. I've had the set in my Amazon cart like six times and just didn't pull the trigger. We'll see.
Totally fair. I will say you don't have to watch much of the show at all to dive into Return of the Joker. It helps if you've seen the pilot episodes for sure so that you understand how Bruce got where he is and Terry's origin story as the new Batman, and maybe you get a better appreciation of some things regarding the Batfamily if you've seen the show, but it's not at all a requirement to get into the film.
In general, yes, of course. I'm just saying that WB has continually shot itself in the foot trying to play catch up to Disney/Marvel. And by having TWO Batmans in feature films, it feels...strange. Good point about there not being any timing issues, and the fact that Keaton's role is as a supporting character. But Keaton...has a way of just taking the spotlight. He was awesome as Batman, and people are freaking out about it, which again, will have some people looking at the Pattinson Batman (the casting having people up in arms in the first place) a bit more skeptically.
For me, I'm eager for it all. But Keaton will overshadow it all. WB should know that. Why do that, now, as you're trying to build to relaunch Batman with a new actor?
Anyway, just thinking out loud. I've written 21,000 words today. I'm tired. Good night. LOL.
The problem is that it seems like the set-up at Warner Bros is more complicated than it is with Disney/Marvel Studios. From what I've heard, the Snyder Cut is only happening because AT&T (who now 'own' WB or are at least merged with it) wanted it as something they could use to advertise and attract customers to the new HBO Max streaming service, despite WB not being interested in spending the money needed to finish that iteration of the film. And while Walter Hamada is in charge of the DC films and is largely doing a good job in righting the ship so far, it sounds like Jim Lee has some input now too since he's one of the main people in charge at DC. Apparently Lee was responsible for making the Ezra Miller cameo in the CW Crisis on Infinite Earths event happen earlier this year and wants to kinda connect ALL of the DC stuff out there together as a gigantic multiverse.
So if I had to guess (aka purely speculation here on my part), Hamada's probably mostly in charge with what's going on with The Batman (which is very self-contained), while Jim Lee might've been a prominent voice in pushing for Keaton to return as Batman to further explore multiverses in DC films and provide a way for the main DCEU to still have a Batman around rather than have the Ghost of Ben Affleck lingering somewhere off screen.
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I'm sorry, but I was a DC kid growing up - I was a Green Lantern/Flash/Batman guy; loved the work of Don Newton and Mike Grell and Neal Adams and Jim Aparo - and so the promise has been there so many times, but I've been burned so many times. For every Keaton, there was a Clooney, and when they finally settled on Affleck (my favorite Batman, probably) and Cavill (BY FAR my favorite Superman) they had to blow it all up. I don't know why this is so hard.
I try to watch the CW stuff; I've mainly watched Supergirl. It's awesome when it's a comic (blows when it veers into social commentary, which it does too often. The metaphors are like anvils.) I've enjoyed the cross-over things so I have to go back and watch the Green Arrow/Flash series'. I don't mind tying it in, but at some point you have to pick a horse, I think.
And I think it goes without saying: I'm only really interested in Bruce Wayne as Batman. It's bad enough there are multiple Robins (I'm a Dick Grayson guy, myself) and Green Lanterns. Thankfully, that can't really happen with Superman.
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From what I've recently read, Cavill still wants to play Superman.
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I really like Cavill and think he COULD be a great Superman. But I don’t think Zak Snyder gets Superman at all. Maybe if he got a different writer/director and wasn’t written as a sad angry gritty character.
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Reeves was so good in the role because he played both halves of the character perfectly, Supes and Clark. I haven't seen much from Cavill to suggest he can pull that off and I don't really see him as a hugely natural or charisma actor.
I've been watching Agents of Shield recently and Brett Dalton who plays Grant Ward seems like a really good fit. He's got the right look and build, is a good actor and his charisma is off the charts, I think he could easily pull of the dual role.
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I really like Cavill and think he COULD be a great Superman. But I don’t think Zak Snyder gets Superman at all. Maybe if he got a different writer/director and wasn’t written as a sad angry gritty character.
I think Cavill is overrated and too short for the role. Yes I know he’s not “short” but Reeve and Affleck are 6’4”.
But you cited the REAL problem: Snyder
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Cavill is a great Superman/Clark but unfortunately he's been dealt a bad card with Snyder's horrible take on the character. It's unfortunate because had they done the character justice I think Cavill would be held even higher than Reeves among most fans, but sadly his Superman is written as a dark and brooding character who sees it as a chore to do good and it's just not very likable.
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Cavill is a great Superman/Clark but unfortunately he's been dealt a bad card with Snyder's horrible take on the character. It's unfortunate because had they done the character justice I think Cavill would be held even higher than Reeves among most fans, but sadly his Superman is written as a dark and brooding character who sees it as a chore to do good and it's just not very likable.
Good actors can rise above shitty material. There are very few films that generate a more negative reaction than Superman 4 - but Reeves stills brings it. Cavell does nothing to elevate the material he's given - he's just a bland Superman. Even when he turns up in Justice League - a movie that allows more room for the fun side, he still fails to make an impression. Compare that to the charisma Momoa instantly has in that movie in his first outing....Aquaman is the biggest boxoffice success in the DC universe on the back of Momoa's performance (another example of an actor elevating the material).
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Nothing about Superman 4 was good.
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Cavill is a great Superman/Clark but unfortunately he's been dealt a bad card with Snyder's horrible take on the character. It's unfortunate because had they done the character justice I think Cavill would be held even higher than Reeves among most fans, but sadly his Superman is written as a dark and brooding character who sees it as a chore to do good and it's just not very likable.
Good actors can rise above shitty material. There are very few films that generate a more negative reaction than Superman 4 - but Reeves stills brings it. Cavell does nothing to elevate the material he's given - he's just a bland Superman. Even when he turns up in Justice League - a movie that allows more room for the fun side, he still fails to make an impression. Compare that to the charisma Momoa instantly has in that movie in his first outing....Aquaman is the biggest boxoffice success in the DC universe on the back of Momoa's performance (another example of an actor elevating the material).
I would argue Cavill in Justice League under Whedon's directing playing a more Reeves-y Superman was one of the few highlights. In BvS however the character was just so wrong from the start there's not much you can really do. It really is a shame that Cavill has been dealt a bad card with the films though, it kinda reminds me a bit of Pierce Brosnan as Bond. I think you could make an argument for him being one of the best Bond actors, and I feel in his movies he gives great performances but outside GoldenEye he was saddled with some of the weaker entries of the franchise - 1 of which is arguably the worst of all of them.
Had Cavill been given a more traditional take on Superman I think he would have nailed it because in the glimpses of Justice League when he gets that chance I thought he did it great. I get what you're saying about "a good actor can lift bad material" but when your take on Superman is a dark brooding character who sees it as a burden to do good I think it's very hard to get anything resembling the Superman we know out of the performance.
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There were reports a month or so ago that Cavill was in negotiations to return as Superman, but it sounded like it would not be in a standalone Superman movie.
Thanks to this article (https://film.avclub.com/the-henry-cavill-armie-hammer-action-franchise-that-nev-1843395711), I recently checked out The Man From U.N.C.L.E., which I really enjoyed. Between that and The Witcher, I now have a much higher opinion of him as an actor.
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Reeves was so good in the role because he played both halves of the character perfectly, Supes and Clark. I haven't seen much from Cavill to suggest he can pull that off and I don't really see him as a hugely natural or charisma actor.
I've been watching Agents of Shield recently and Brett Dalton who plays Grant Ward seems like a really good fit. He's got the right look and build, is a good actor and his charisma is off the charts, I think he could easily pull of the dual role.
I just had to say I think you’re spot on with Brett Dalton. Although his nerd cred tends to steer towards villain in many minds...but he’s been convincing as the good guy as well. He’s definitely a good enough actor.
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Nothing about Superman 4 was good.
Except Gene Hackman hamming it up - probably because he knew the material was awful and he was getting paid whatever.
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I'm looking forward to WW84 - but the first one was clearly the best DCEU movie so far - apart from the usual CGI boss fight at the end.
And to find out how Steve Trevor is still alive / in 1984.
Did he get some kind of Captain America powers ?
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I'm guessing that he's some sort of echo in her brain that the villain of the movie is inducing. Wish fulfillment as a weapon...sort of thing.
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Not sure where to put this, guess here is the best place. Here is 36 seconds of awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAVvny-FxjA
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I watched Justice League last night. I'm struggling to know what to say about it...
Gal Gadot shines likes a beacon. Bring on WW84.
I hate Cavill as Supes. But the material is so dismal it's hard to know if it's him or not. Reeve had that sense of purity, nobility and goodness. I guess it will be impossible to ever replace but Cavill just seems charmless to me.
Affleck is ok (and i really like him generally) but his face looked chubby in the hood. And the suit muscles are so bulbous and clunky he just looks like a constipated wrestler in it.
Momoa was charismatic AF but his character seemed like a douche.
There's so much they could do. But are clearly so terrified by the MCU triumph. They're the movie equivalent of a nervous kid who is so messed up that when he asks the girl to dance he spits when he talks, shits his pants, coughs phlegm into her drink then pukes on her dress. They just need to slow down and work on great acting and emotions.
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Zack Synder says the final movie of JL was about 1/4 of what he wanted. New scenes to be shot with the principal cast, looks like they are making it from the ground up for the most part.
With all the hoopla surrounding this, I'm going to guess it will just be a steup above what we got and might be a little more coherent but still nothing spectacular, will have to wait and see.
https://movieweb.com/justice-league-snyder-cut-whedon-reshoots-footage/
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I watched Justice League last night. I'm struggling to know what to say about it...
Gal Gadot shines likes a beacon. Bring on WW84.
I hate Cavill as Supes. But the material is so dismal it's hard to know if it's him or not. Reeve had that sense of purity, nobility and goodness. I guess it will be impossible to ever replace but Cavill just seems charmless to me.
Affleck is ok (and i really like him generally) but his face looked chubby in the hood. And the suit muscles are so bulbous and clunky he just looks like a constipated wrestler in it.
Momoa was charismatic AF but his character seemed like a douche.
There's so much they could do. But are clearly so terrified by the MCU triumph. They're the movie equivalent of a nervous kid who is so messed up that when he asks the girl to dance he spits when he talks, shits his pants, coughs phlegm into her drink then pukes on her dress. They just need to slow down and work on great acting and emotions.
In my defense, she was HOT! :)
I'm a big Cavill fan. I think he did with the character what the character called for. I don't know; I see the missteps, I see the lack of cohesiveness, and I certainly see the seams where they patched this whole thing together and hoped it stayed, but I think the bare bones - Cavill/Superman, Affleck/Batman, Gadot/WW - were there. I don't think that's where the fault lies, I think it's in the owner and the coach, to mix in a sports metaphor.
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I watched Justice League last night. I'm struggling to know what to say about it...
Gal Gadot shines likes a beacon. Bring on WW84.
I hate Cavill as Supes. But the material is so dismal it's hard to know if it's him or not. Reeve had that sense of purity, nobility and goodness. I guess it will be impossible to ever replace but Cavill just seems charmless to me.
Affleck is ok (and i really like him generally) but his face looked chubby in the hood. And the suit muscles are so bulbous and clunky he just looks like a constipated wrestler in it.
Momoa was charismatic AF but his character seemed like a douche.
There's so much they could do. But are clearly so terrified by the MCU triumph. They're the movie equivalent of a nervous kid who is so messed up that when he asks the girl to dance he spits when he talks, shits his pants, coughs phlegm into her drink then pukes on her dress. They just need to slow down and work on great acting and emotions.
In my defense, she was HOT! :)
I'm a big Cavill fan. I think he did with the character what the character called for. I don't know; I see the missteps, I see the lack of cohesiveness, and I certainly see the seams where they patched this whole thing together and hoped it stayed, but I think the bare bones - Cavill/Superman, Affleck/Batman, Gadot/WW - were there. I don't think that's where the fault lies, I think it's in the owner and the coach, to mix in a sports metaphor.
I agree. The problem wasn't the casting, but the writing, directing, etc.
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Yeah, you might be right, guys. I dunno. Was just my immediate reaction. I hope they can pull something satisfying together. I loved the original Supes films and there were some parts of Superman Returns that i thought were really great. Would mean a lot to get some of those feels again.
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I think the biggest problems with the DCU was 1. handing the control over to a guy who wants his Superman to be dark, 2. trying to catch up with Marvel in too few movies.
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I think the biggest problems with the DCU was 1. handing the control over to a guy who wants his Superman to be dark, 2. trying to catch up with Marvel in too few movies.
More importantly, 3: passing the baton between the guys who were in at the crux of these two points (Snyder and Whedon).
I don't have an issue with Supes being dark and brooding, but the whole flow of the movie was choppy. Darkseid was an awful villain - worse than any MCU villain (and I'm including Malekith in that). Also, if you're going to go with the OG of Justice League, where the fuck was Green Lantern (my fave DCU hero as a kid... so I'm mildly biased)?
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First Batman teaser/trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewDSeyWve8M
I'm quite hyped for this. Really hope it turns out good. :)
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I feel old because my first question is: how many times can you reboot a franchise? I guess no one really care in the end anyway, much more fun to get hyped.
They also gets darker and darker it seems.
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I feel old because my first question is: how many times can you reboot a franchise? I guess no one really care in the end anyway, much more fun to get hyped.
They also gets darker and darker it seems.
Batman should be pretty dark imo. I was skeptical as hell based on all the reporting around Pattinson and the constant troubles with the script and producing it etc. but the trailer makes this look awesome imo.
Also - just my two cents - Nolan's Batman was the first time a Batman movie wasn't complete garbage imo so I'm up for another reboot. I liked Batfleck but he hasn't been done justice yet.
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I see what you did there. ;)
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I feel old because my first question is: how many times can you reboot a franchise? I guess no one really care in the end anyway, much more fun to get hyped.
They also gets darker and darker it seems.
Batman should be pretty dark imo. I was skeptical as hell based on all the reporting around Pattinson and the constant troubles with the script and producing it etc. but the trailer makes this look awesome imo.
Also - just my two cents - Nolan's Batman was the first time a Batman movie wasn't complete garbage imo so I'm up for another reboot. I liked Batfleck but he hasn't been done justice yet.
Honestly, as someone who was following the production of the film for the past three years, there was never much of any signs that Matt Reeves was having problems with the script or producing the film. The trouble was primarily from back when Affleck was originally attached to write-direct a very different film with the same working title (THE BATMAN) that would've been set in the main DCEU. After Reeves came onboard, it seems like Affleck was unofficially long gone before his announced departure at the start of 2019 (and now he's back again for Flash ::) ) and Reeves just started over working on the film from scratch without much problems.
Pattinson himself hasn't really been a problem either, though he did briefly piss off a certain group of fans by joking in an interview that he wasn't working out and stuff... which makes sense, as he is notorious for making stuff up on the fly in interviews and later confirmed he was indeed working out and training for the role.
All in all, I've personally had all the faith in the world in this film being good ever since Matt Reeves came onboard the project. As much as I love the Nolan films, I can tell very clearly in the interviews with Matt that he's by far the director with the greatest understanding and appreciation for the whole breadth of the Batman mythos that's been in charge of the franchise. He's a nerd when it comes to Batman and it shows. :lol Plus it helps that despite having all of that knowledge and appreciation for the world of Gotham, Reeves isn't afraid to take chances and do things his own way like Nolan and Burton before him.
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I thought The Batman teaser looked awesome. Glad he didn’t do an angry dog voice for Batman.
The Snyder cut trailer looked like “WOAH SICK BRAH!!” Video game trailer. Cool, but just for visual spectacle.
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I thought The Batman teaser looked awesome. Glad he didn’t do an angry dog voice for Batman.
The Snyder cut trailer looked like “WOAH SICK BRAH!!” Video game trailer. Cool, but just for visual spectacle.
Yeah, there's a very palpable difference in content and excitement between The Batman and the Snyder Cut trailers IMO. I haven't been this excited for a new film in quite awhile. Probably not since Blade Runner 2049 three years ago, at least.
What's even crazier though is that the teaser for The Batman is made up entirely from a mere 25 to 30% of the film (production's been on hiatus due to the lockdown for months, but they'll be starting up again finally in a few weeks). This feels like a trailer for a film that's been in the can for months and is close to release date. I'm beyond impressed with the trailer and can't wait to see what else they do with the movie.
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I feel old because my first question is: how many times can you reboot a franchise? I guess no one really care in the end anyway, much more fun to get hyped.
They also gets darker and darker it seems.
Batman should be pretty dark imo. I was skeptical as hell based on all the reporting around Pattinson and the constant troubles with the script and producing it etc. but the trailer makes this look awesome imo.
Also - just my two cents - Nolan's Batman was the first time a Batman movie wasn't complete garbage imo so I'm up for another reboot. I liked Batfleck but he hasn't been done justice yet.
Honestly, as someone who was following the production of the film for the past three years, there was never much of any signs that Matt Reeves was having problems with the script or producing the film. The trouble was primarily from back when Affleck was originally attached to write-direct a very different film with the same working title (THE BATMAN) that would've been set in the main DCEU. After Reeves came onboard, it seems like Affleck was unofficially long gone before his announced departure at the start of 2019 (and now he's back again for Flash ::) ) and Reeves just started over working on the film from scratch without much problems.
Pattinson himself hasn't really been a problem either, though he did briefly piss off a certain group of fans by joking in an interview that he wasn't working out and stuff... which makes sense, as he is notorious for making stuff up on the fly in interviews and later confirmed he was indeed working out and training for the role.
All in all, I've personally had all the faith in the world in this film being good ever since Matt Reeves came onboard the project. As much as I love the Nolan films, I can tell very clearly in the interviews with Matt that he's by far the director with the greatest understanding and appreciation for the whole breadth of the Batman mythos that's been in charge of the franchise. He's a nerd when it comes to Batman and it shows. :lol Plus it helps that despite having all of that knowledge and appreciation for the world of Gotham, Reeves isn't afraid to take chances and do things his own way like Nolan and Burton before him.
That's actually really good to know - all of it. I have been so confused following the DC film universe. I lost track after Affleck dropped out, which was where all the trouble I was referring to came from, and now he's apparently back while Pattinson is also Batman, because they're doing the multiverse thing? So is the Justice League and Man of Steel etc. still canon? I have absolutely no clue what the state of the DC film universe is at this point, especially with Suicide Squad, The Suicide Squad, the standalone Joker movie, how Shazam fits into this, Robert Pattinson 'joking' about not working out which made me worry, etc.
I might at some point force myself to watch the whole DC universe just to catch up. I still haven't seen Shazam and Aquaman put me to sleep.
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I love the Nolan trilogy but if there's one complaint I would have it's that Gotham doesn't feel very dark or gothic and it's kinda just -insert generic big concrete city- that looks like New York or Chicago or something else. This is only a trailer but the glimpses we get of the environment feels more 'atmospheric' in that sense. I hope that's something that will be even more clear in the movie.
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Trailer is pretty much what I expected it to be. Diggin the vibe for the most part
If they are going for a grittier version of the riddler, i would be down with that
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I love the Nolan trilogy but if there's one complaint I would have it's that Gotham doesn't feel very dark or gothic and it's kinda just -insert generic big concrete city- that looks like New York or Chicago or something else. This is only a trailer but the glimpses we get of the environment feels more 'atmospheric' in that sense. I hope that's something that will be even more clear in the movie.
I do think that trilogy was going for realism. Like him disguising his voice or how Joker's hair became greasier and less green throughout the movie. The Joker didn't shower.
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New Wonder Woman trailer out. Much more excited for that than another dingy dreary Batman movie.
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I'm very behind on my DC movies, but the new trailers for The Batman and WW84 were pretty great.
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I just realized we're going to have 3 Harley Quinn movies by the time we get The Batman. :tdwn
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Gave WW84 a spin while cooking dinner. They really need to give Patty Jenkins more work at DC, in my opinion she's got a better grasp of the genre than any of the other DC peeps. Another excellent movie from her. Pedro Pascal is a tremendous villain.
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I watched it too; don't know how I feel yet.
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I actually thought it was a mess, they tried to jam way to much content into the story and ended up tying it all together with lots of eye rolling plot convenience. The first film was really good, this was a bit of a misstep.
Dunno if we are doing spoilers yet.....but the whole Steve storyline is seriously messed up.
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I was mildly interested in this because the first one was decent but now i'm more curious because of the terrible reviews and people saying it's a catastrophe on the level of Fantastic Four. Really curious to see how they messed it up considering the first one was solid and you had many of the same people involved (Jenkins) this time again.
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It’s $30 to rent at home for us Canucks (theatres are in lockdown, and HBO Max doesn’t exist up here.
My interest in watching it for that prices is sub zero.
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It’s $30 to rent at home for us Canucks (theatres are in lockdown, and HBO Max doesn’t exist up here.
My interest in watching it for that prices is sub zero.
I saw it on HBO Max. If I had paid $30.00 for it, I would be furious.
I didn't like it very much at all.
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Yea, WW84 was.....not very good. I can see why some might really enjoy it, but I just am not one of them. Though the movie definitely had its pros.
SPOILERS AHEAD
So much of this movie is a mixed bag. The opening scene with young Diana was really great. I loved it, but then....it just really served no purpose for the overall movie. I guess the line about not cheating is the moral? But it's a really weak connection. So yea, fantastic opening scene that really had nothing to do with the movie that came after. And then the next scene at the mall.....great scene.....but also has nothing to do with the rest of the movie. The tone of the mall scene is light, fun, 80's, uplifting, etc. But then right after the tone changes immediately to traditional comic book fare and never really gets back to it. It feels like the opening scene is from one movie, the next scene is from a different movie, and then there's the rest of the movie which is its own thing all together.
Everything with Steve and Diana was fantastic. Chris Pine is just great and all their scenes were just well acted between them. Mando was a great actor...but his character just seemed odd. I'm not really sure what he was all about. Initially he starts out like a decent guy who's REALLY screwed himself over. He becomes the wishing stone...........but why? To help others? To simply scam everyone else out of things? I dunno. Just felt really flimsy in the end. So did Barbara's character. She's the typical girl who gets a makeover and is a different person. But what's her motive? We don't see much of how she's treated in the beginning. She seems like an okay person that people are fine with. She wants to be cool but ends up addicted to her strength and then wants to be an apex predator? Huh?
The invisible jet stuff was just....dumb. The learning to fly part is one of the few times that I quickly noticed them trying to emotionally manipulate me with the music. The score was great, but her flying was...dumb...I'm sorry. The amazing score over it doesn't make the writing better or more logical.
Also the golden armor thing was odd. The original person was killed in it....but then they just left the armor? And she was flying but then decided to stop by her house and then go back to the fight? Just felt like she got it out of nowhere. Again, felt dumb.
Overall...........the movie had its good moments. Her renouncing her wish was great. Her stuff with Steve was great. Mando was fun to watch. But the writing was just.........awful. I have no idea what happened. I'm actually a smidge concerned about Patty's Star Wars movie since she's one of the main writer's on this one too.
Overall, I'd give it a C-, and that's kind of generous. Though, as I said, I can see how many people will truly love and enjoy the movie.
Edit: Also.....Steve's return was dumb. I'm sorry. Some guy wished for his lands to be returned and a giant wall around the country appeared out nowhere. The president wants more nukes (dumb guy) and they materialize from nothing. Diana wishes for Steve but the only way he can come back is inside someone else's body? What the hell happened to the original guy during that time? Did he go into a spiritual waiting room? Did he have a family? A job? Kids? Some poor dude's life was stolen from him because Steve was wished for, but couldn't get his own body instead? And at no point did Diana even consider any of this?
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You are, of course, correct in all of your points.
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SPOILERS AHEAD
He becomes the wishing stone...........but why? To help others? To simply scam everyone else out of things?
Because he knows the stone extracts a price. By becoming the stone, the price of others' wishes are paid to him. Plus, he sometimes tricks others into wishing things for him, as well, so he gets free wishes.
So did Barbara's character. She's the typical girl who gets a makeover and is a different person. But what's her motive? We don't see much of how she's treated in the beginning. She seems like an okay person that people are fine with.
People are not fine with her. They act like she's not even there. When she drops her stuff no one helps her, other than Diana, and no one remembers she exists. Even the woman that recently hired her already had already forgotten her. She wants to be cool but ends up addicted to her strength and then wants to be an apex predator? Huh?
She wishes to be "like Diana", but didn't know Diana had powers at the time. She just wanted people to like and respect her. Her changes in personality and motivation are part of the price she paid for her wish. We saw her with wild cat stuff at the office, so the Cheetah thing didn't come out of nowhere.
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I'll give you the wishing stone stuff. For sure. Though I still maintain that he was massively underdeveloped and had the potential to be way more interesting.
But the rest...no. It's really weak on the writer's part. At most, she's just Jim Carrey from Batman Forever, which isn't a good thing.
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Yea, WW84 was.....not very good.
I agree with just about all of this -- particularly the bit about the first two scenes having nothing to do with each other or the rest of the movie (although the crime being committed in the mall scene does relate to the rest).
Mando was a great actor...but his character just seemed odd. I'm not really sure what he was all about.
Mando? I think you're talking about Max Lord?
Also, the very last scene was pretty cool (albeit monumentally cheesy).
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Yea. Max Lord. I actually really like Pedro Pascal and liked him in this movie. I just wish they gave him a better written character.
And yea, the ending is odd. The intention, I felt, was fantastic. Gal Gadot played it great too. But the sheer lack of logic behind any of it was just too much for me. I know, I know...comic book movie, therefore logic never matters at all, but to me this one was a bit too much. He's on TV and particles touch people or something....and then he's in the particles and even the the camera is off, everyone can hear Gal somehow? I dunno. I just think the very good idea god lost in a horrible execution.
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And yea, the ending is odd. The intention, I felt, was fantastic. Gal Gadot played it great too. But the sheer lack of logic behind any of it was just too much for me. I know, I know...comic book movie, therefore logic never matters at all, but to me this one was a bit too much. He's on TV and particles touch people or something....and then he's in the particles and even the the camera is off, everyone can hear Gal somehow? I dunno. I just think the very good idea god lost in a horrible execution.
I meant the very, very last scene (the one that only vaguely relates to the plot of the movie). I agree about the absurdity of the notion that a broadcast that metaphorically "touches" people being used as a substitute for the otherwise necessary physical touching.
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In my defense of enjoying the movie, I should state I was watching it on a tablet while cooking Xmas dinner. Maybe if I paid deeper attention I'd be let down :lol
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And yea, the ending is odd. The intention, I felt, was fantastic. Gal Gadot played it great too. But the sheer lack of logic behind any of it was just too much for me. I know, I know...comic book movie, therefore logic never matters at all, but to me this one was a bit too much. He's on TV and particles touch people or something....and then he's in the particles and even the the camera is off, everyone can hear Gal somehow? I dunno. I just think the very good idea god lost in a horrible execution.
I meant the very, very last scene (the one that only vaguely relates to the plot of the movie). I agree about the absurdity of the notion that a broadcast that metaphorically "touches" people being used as a substitute for the otherwise necessary physical touching.
Ohhhh yea. I mean.....I didn't like that scene either haha. It's so odd. The intention of that scene is great, and I really like the entire idea of of it. But I felt like it just....didn't make much sense and I didn't get the thought behind it. It COULD have been great, but just missed the mark for me. Maybe I've been spoiled by the CW shows that seeing old school actors coming back to the DC universe doesn't WOW me the way it might have otherwise. Especially since that same actress was already in the CW shows recently.
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Mando was a great actor...but his character just seemed odd. I'm not really sure what he was all about.
Mando? I think you're talking about Max Lord?
He was talking about Maxwell Lord, but called him Mando, because the same actor plays Mando (The Mandalorian).
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I watched it last night and I don't know if it's TERRIBLE but the superhero movies it reminded me the most of were the Schumacher Batman movies and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 which is a bit unfortunate. It felt like a script that needed another 2 or 3 re-writes and neither villain really felt developed. Kristen Wiig was essentially Jim Carrey-Riddler / Jamie Foxx-Electro again except she wasn't really THAT sad and pathetic initially, just seemed like your average introvert. The Max Lord character was... weird. It didn't feel like there was any bond between him and his son at all until the ending when there needed to be one. Just kinda underdeveloped. The way they brought back Chris Pine was also weird. I guess his spirit possessed someone else kinda? What happened to that guy? I was just thinking in half of those scenes "Maybe this guy has someone looking for him right now".
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^ That doesn't sound good AT ALL ;D ;D
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^ That doesn't sound good AT ALL ;D ;D
It's not a good movie at all but it's hard to say where to put this among the bad ones. Something like Batman and Robin you can still watch and laugh at just how wrong everything is and how much everyone is hamming it up. WW84 felt more like TASM2 where the script and structure is just all over the place and the individual pieces barely work.
It's weird because the opening was pretty good and I thought the 'lesson' of "don't take shortcuts" would come back, and I guess it sort of did with wishing for things but the wishes having a bad effect, but it just didn't feel very well thought out. Like they had this idea for a statement but halfway through they gave up on following through on that idea. The mall scene was pretty fun and almost felt like a homage to the Raimi Spider-Man films but it also felt out of place because no other action scene after that one had that 'fun 80s action' feel.
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Kristen Wiig was essentially Jim Carrey-Riddler / Jamie Foxx-Electro again except she wasn't really THAT sad and pathetic initially, just seemed like your average introvert.
I won't blame Kristen Wiig for WW84, but I can't remember not being disappointed at something she did (other than The Martian). Other than the origin of Kristen Wiig's change, the two story lines seemed so random. It was as if two different people came up with ideas and someone said, "I like them both! Let's put them in the same movie!" Cheetah from the 70s Super Friends cartoon was better.
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Kristen Wiig was essentially Jim Carrey-Riddler / Jamie Foxx-Electro again except she wasn't really THAT sad and pathetic initially, just seemed like your average introvert.
I won't blame Kristen Wiig for WW84, but I can't remember not being disappointed at something she did (other than The Martian). Other than the origin of Kristen Wiig's change, the two story lines seemed so random. It was as if two different people came up with ideas and someone said, "I like them both! Let's put them in the same movie!" Cheetah from the 70s Super Friends cartoon was better.
I feel bad for her because she's pretty good but then she ends up in underwhelming (or bad) stuff like this and Ghost Busters. Neither is her fault ofc, but there's a good WW movie with her as Cheetah to be made but then you watch this film and it's just a mess. It's a shame.
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Started on Titans, from a post of Joe's wife recommending it. So far it's solid television.
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She's become an influencer I see. :lol
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Started on Titans, from a post of Joe's wife recommending it. So far it's solid television.
I've totally lost track of who's seen what, but have you seen Doom Patrol? If not, that might be one of the best comic book shows I've ever seen.
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Started on Titans, from a post of Joe's wife recommending it. So far it's solid television.
I've totally lost track of who's seen what, but have you seen Doom Patrol? If not, that might be one of the best comic book shows I've ever seen.
Just started to watch that myself. There is 1 episode with Doom Patrol in Season 1 of Titans.
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Started on Titans, from a post of Joe's wife recommending it. So far it's solid television.
I've totally lost track of who's seen what, but have you seen Doom Patrol? If not, that might be one of the best comic book shows I've ever seen.
Just started to watch that myself. There is 1 episode with Doom Patrol in Season 1 of Titans.
Yea, I read about that, but I never saw Titans. I did read, however, that they are officially in different universes, so the Doom Patrol from Titans....though very similar....is technically not the same as from their own show. Weird stuff.
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Hot damn. I did not know that. Interesting.
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I do think I watched one episode of Doom Patrol, and wasn't turned off, just forgot about it.
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Watched the movie as well.
I didn't really find it terrible and I kinda enjoyed it overall, but.... Adami's long review some posts ago really said it all and I agree with him.
Especially the beginning of the movie (it's the equivalent of a wanking solo section in a prog metal bloated song: it's there just because they could do it, not because it adds something meaningful to the movie) and Steve's comeback (where the hell did the original guy go?).
I expected worse from early reviews but this movie would have benefitted of a tigher pace (2 hours and a half? ugh) and stronger character writing.
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Watched the movie as well.
I didn't really find it terrible and I kinda enjoyed it overall, but.... Adami's long review some posts ago really said it all and I agree with him.
Especially the beginning of the movie (it's the equivalent of a wanking solo section in a prog metal bloated song: it's there just because they could do it, not because it adds something meaningful to the movie) and Steve's comeback (where the hell did the original guy go?).
I expected worse from early reviews but this movie would have benefitted of a tigher pace (2 hours and a half? ugh) and stronger character writing.
Lyle Waggoner died early last year.
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So...this HBO Max Snyder cut of the Justice League......do I need to have watched all the other MCU movies to know anything about it? Or, can I just watch the movie and be fine? I don't feel like putting the effort in. I've seen the first Superman and I think Superman vs Batman.....but that's it.
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So...this HBO Max Snyder cut of the Justice League......do I need to have watched all the other MCU movies to know anything about it? Or, can I just watch the movie and be fine? I don't feel like putting the effort in. I've seen the first Superman and I think Superman vs Batman.....but that's it.
Well, I can definitely say that you don't have to watched ANY of the MCU films to get Justice Leage. :P
Seriously though, who knows? It's a 4 hour movie apparently with a TON of comic references that almost no one will catch all of. As far as I know if you've seen Batman V Superman and Man of Steel, you should be good. While Aquaman and Wonder Woman have had their own movies, it doesn't sound like Snyder gave a crap about what those movies did or said about the characters and is doing his own thing anyway.
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Weren't Aquaman and Wonder Woman both post-Justice League?
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I think the first Wonder Woman came before the Justice League movie.
I think the order is
Man of Steel
Batman v. Superman
Wonder Woman
Justice League
Aquaman
I don't know where Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey fit in, probably not very much story-wise but all connected in the same universe.
So...this HBO Max Snyder cut of the Justice League......do I need to have watched all the other MCU movies to know anything about it? Or, can I just watch the movie and be fine? I don't feel like putting the effort in. I've seen the first Superman and I think Superman vs Batman.....but that's it.
Honestly, I think you'll be fine. I think the timeline of the Justice League movie is supposed to be after the two movies you've seen.
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I think the first Wonder Woman came before the Justice League movie.
I think the order is
Man of Steel
Batman v. Superman
Wonder Woman
Justice League
Aquaman
I don't know where Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey fit in, probably not very much story-wise but all connected in the same universe.
Honestly, I think you'll be fine. I think the timeline of the Justice League movie is supposed to be after the two movies you've seen.
Man of Steel (2013)
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Suicide Squad (2016)
Wonder Woman (2017)
Justice League (2017)
Aquaman (2018)
Shazam! (2019)
Birds of Prey (2020)
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
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Yea, I'd still say you don't need to have watched any of the movies besides BvS and maybe Man of Steel to follow the movie just fine.
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Wonder Woman (2017)
Man of Steel (2013)
Aquaman (2018)
Shazam! (2019)
Suicide Squad (2016)
Justice League (2017)
Wonder Woman 1984 (2020)
Birds of Prey (2020)
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
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it's weird, I get a sense of accomplishment, and a sense of purpose with each MCU film. I get none of that from the DC films (and I grew up a DC guy, so that should be my jam!)
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it's weird, I get a sense of accomplishment, and a sense of purpose with each MCU film. I get none of that from the DC films (and I grew up a DC guy, so that should be my jam!)
So true man. I'd put it more like there's a sense of.....intelligent design...that is just so blatantly missing from DC. Even the lower tier MCU films, you just know they fit into the greater picture smoothly, they're not trying to force a greater picture on to you.
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It's funny though, the DC cartoon series are just as good as the Marvel movies as with continuity. Bruce Timm should have ran the ship.
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The pilot for Superman & Lois was outstanding.
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I will admit there is a tiny bit of curiosity in regards to those Snyder cuts, but I will probably end up dissapointed again. For the record, I haven't seen some of these DCEU films, but I found even Wonder Woman to be 2/3's solid mid-MCU-tier and 1/3 to be well below that (the last third), and that has by far been the best DCEU film (save for the separate films of DC that weren't justice league related). And after Wonder Woman 2 my interest in where that chracter is going is gone as well.
I wish they just did some live action versions of the better DC flicks.
Looking forward to the Pattinson Batman, I think that guy is an excellent actor. Is that even part of this mess of a series? I hope not.
It's funny though, the DC cartoon series are just as good as the Marvel movies as with continuity. Bruce Timm should have ran the ship.
They should've done a near 1:1 for the Suicide Squad animated film and a live action adaption. Instead we got a horrible mess with some glimpses of ideas lifted from that animated film.
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Apparently the Snyder Cut will end in a massive cliffhanger.
lol
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Apparently the Snyder Cut will end in a massive cliffhanger.
lol
Like, who won the Flash v Sup race?
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Apparently the Snyder Cut will end in a massive cliffhanger.
lol
Like, who won the Flash v Sup race?
That one still keeps me up at night!
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Superman and WW kiss? :lol
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Superman and WW kiss? :lol
And then she looks at him and places her hand on her stomach. Cut to credits.
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It has to be dark though. :lol
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It has to be dark though. :lol
Fine. A ghoulish claw tears through Wonder Woman’s uterus and grab Superman. A deformed alien head protrudes and says “ hello father.....” credits.
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Then She wakes up. Yup, that's a Snyder movie.
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Then She wakes up. Yup, that's a Snyder movie.
Also the baby is Jesus.
Now it’s a Snyder film.
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We are going to lose it when this all comes true.
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I read somewhere that the "Snyder Cut" is 4 hours long.. :lol
Yeah, no thanks. I'm not at all interested in seeing this. All the Snyder films I've seen say to me, that he is the kind of guy who likes smelling he's own farts way too much. Don't want to hate guy, but he seems a bit pretentious.
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Got the first two parts of the Snyder cut under my belt. It's like the story from the first movie is a bare bones skeleton of this one much richer, much more depth for sure. So far, I'm enjoying it.
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Tackling it this weekend.
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Just finished it. Need a bit to recover but a huge improvement despite its plentiful flaws. More later.
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I'll probably tackle the second half tomorrow night, gotta burn through Falcon in the morning first.
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I'm 90 minutes in, and still have another 2 1/2 hours to go.
It's already better than the theatrical release. It's not perfect; it still has all of the same problems that the pre-JL Snyder films had. But at least it's not a disjointed mess. I guess it's a focused mess lol
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What are the prerequisites for the Snyder Cut (in terms of movies)?
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What are the prerequisites for the Snyder Cut (in terms of movies)?
I'm quite sure it's just two
- Man of Steel
- Batman v Superman.
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What are the prerequisites for the Snyder Cut (in terms of movies)?
I'm quite sure it's just two
- Man of Steel
- Batman v Superman.
That is correct.
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Man Of Steel. Bat V Sup. Justice League.
Three terrible, terrible films. But which one do you think is the worst ?
For me it's BVS. Un-necessarily dark and took a killer concept like Batman Vs Superman and completely f-ed it.
Justice League was a bit better than BVS imo - but it was just so blah. I was actually bored watching it. Which you don't want from an exciting superhero movie.
Man of Steel was probably the 'best' of the 3 - but the last 40 minutes are just completely OTT and ridiculous. The Richard Donner Superman would lure Zod
away from populated areas.
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I don't think MOS was bad at all. The 2 Justice League movies though....
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Does Batman still do that ridiculously silly landing when they talk to Gordon?
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So much better than the theatrical release. Characters flushed out.
Pluses:
Flash not so nieve and confident.
Martian Manhunter involved. (How did I not see that?)
Pacing of the movie much better even though it's 4 hours.
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Batman v. Superman v. Iron Man v. Captain America: Dawn of Civil War (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJnVVhPGHzs)
"I'm veeing him."
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Batman v. Superman v. Iron Man v. Captain America: Dawn of Civil War (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJnVVhPGHzs)
"I'm veeing him."
Among my favorite Dorkly sketches
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I have to admit I actually enjoyed that. Overall a much better movie, I had minor issues and still think they should've made a Justice League only after making more solo movies of the main characters.
The IMAX aspect ratio throughout the entire movie was an awesome idea, I really liked that about the movie.
More thoughts later.
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OK finished it. Might give it another go in one shot next weekend when I got four days off. I'll be honest, I really enjoyed it. Good to see the characters more fleshed out, as well as the story. Lots of dangling ends that could but probably never will lead to other stories. I figure in typical DC fashion they'll reboot again and again instead of digging in to one universe and letting it grow.
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I hated it. But I hate pretty much all Snyders previous work and this is a mindnumbing 4 hours of his boring bullshit. Characters may have been fleshed out with backstory, but they actually had less personality in this version.
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I was expecting to really dislike it, but I actually mostly really liked it. By far the best Snyder comic movie (not counting Watchmen, which is my fav of his). The changes from the Whedon cut to this are mind boggling. How someone made the decisions they did for that 2017 cut truly baffles me. They destroyed the movie and for no real benefit. I didn't like everything though. The Wonder Woman intro scene was a bit too cartoonish with how insanely over powered they made her, but the moment with the little girl after was great. Some of the plot points and dialogue were really bad, but nothing that made the movie suffer really. One trade off, however, was that they got rid of my least favorite scene from the 2017 cut and also got rid of one of my favorite moments from that one too. The Batman fighting a guy on a roof to find a parademon might have been the dumbest scene in any of these movies, so I was really glad it was gone. However, the "save one person" moment between Batman and The Flash was also gone, which I really thought was a great character moment.
I also would eliminate like half of the epilogue. The future nightmare scene with Joker was just very VERY bad and stupid and could have been deleted. And while it was cool to see that little cameo at the very end, it wasn't really necessary and could have been cut pretty easily.
Overall, a huge improvement and a pretty good movie.
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For me, the biggest improvement was on Steppenwolf's character and motives, it really played out so much cleaner than in the '17 version.
Also, the way they portray the speed force, and Barry's abilities, is just way too fucking cool. When the girl gets in the car wreck and he pokes the glass to break the window is such a sweet fucking effect.
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The girl in the car is his future wife.
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I was expecting to really dislike it, but I actually mostly really liked it. By far the best Snyder comic movie (not counting Watchmen, which is my fav of his). The changes from the Whedon cut to this are mind boggling. How someone made the decisions they did for that 2017 cut truly baffles me. They destroyed the movie and for no real benefit. I didn't like everything though. The Wonder Woman intro scene was a bit too cartoonish with how insanely over powered they made her, but the moment with the little girl after was great. Some of the plot points and dialogue were really bad, but nothing that made the movie suffer really. One trade off, however, was that they got rid of my least favorite scene from the 2017 cut and also got rid of one of my favorite moments from that one too. The Batman fighting a guy on a roof to find a parademon might have been the dumbest scene in any of these movies, so I was really glad it was gone. However, the "save one person" moment between Batman and The Flash was also gone, which I really thought was a great character moment.
I also would eliminate like half of the epilogue. The future nightmare scene with Joker was just very VERY bad and stupid and could have been deleted. And while it was cool to see that little cameo at the very end, it wasn't really necessary and could have been cut pretty easily.
Overall, a huge improvement and a pretty good movie.
I have very similar thoughts on the movie and many of my friends thought the same.
I can't say enough about how much I enjoyed the aspect ratio, when it was announced that the whole movie would be the IMAX 4:3 format, I was a bit skeptical but honestly it looked fantastic. Odd to say it but that was my favorite part of the movie, but I completely enjoyed watching it through that lens.
I'd rate this movie 8/10. I liked it more than BvS. Whedon's JL was probably a 5/10.
spoilers below
Things I loved
The scenes with Darkseid were great. The back story showing the war with Zeus and the Amazon was exceptional. I never read the DC comics extensively so it was a great deeper dive into the JL in the DC universe.
Giving Cyborg, Flash and Steppenwolf a bigger backstory was super helpful to flesh them out giving motivations, establishing the characters and overall arc.
I don't remember much of the 2017 JL but recall Steppenwolf being hideous more than the mustache.
The color palette also worked for me, some scenes could have used more color but overall, it fit the tone of the movie. The fight scenes I thought were amazing. They all appeared interesting and fit with the context of the scene.
Odd/weird things
The slow-mo scenes... as good as they all were it could've been trimmed down. There were way too many of them, the important ones at the end would've felt more powerful had they used it sparingly.
Was it just me or did Batman look fat and awkward in some scenes? reshoots? probably new VFX? there were some scenes his movements seemed janky and he looked chunky in those parts.
The music was ok. I think it detracted at times and was great at others. I could hear shades of the Mad Max Fury Road soundtrack at many places. I think Junkie XL also overused the WW theme quite a bit.
The movie could've been trimmed and tightened and I think would've been fantastic if around 3 1/2 hrs.
Aquaman was probably the most underutilized even with the recut. I think his contribution didn't feel as great as the others in the grand scheme of things.
The epilogue was a mixed bag, the nightmare scene was fantastic but felt so out of place. I know it hints and sets up the future sequel which unfortunately from what I read isn't happening, at least not with Zack Synder involved. Martian manhunter?.. huh? I think he was wasted honestly, felt very tacked on more than the nightmare vision.
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I thought it was easily Snyder's best DC film.
It was also easily better than the theatrical release.
Of course, at 4 hours, this thing never could have been released theatrically, so thank you for existing, HBO Max.
I read that the Martian Manhunter scene at the end was originally supposed to be John Stewart (Green Lantern), but WB asked Snyder not to include him, as they have plans for him. I guess they have no plans for Martian Manhunter (which is, admittedly, OK).
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I'd summarize my thoughts like this:
1. Snyder's best DC film by a margin
2. Much better than the theatrical cut but still has issues
3. Being a home release is a big reason it works because the 4 hours allows for a lot of stuff to be fleshed out
4. I believe if this was cut down to 3 hours to be released in theaters, Snyder most likely would have cut some of the best stuff in favor of the CGI heavy action stuff he likes the most
5. Whether or not he gets to make another one, his vision for the next JL is weird. Lois Lane pregnant with Bruce Wayne's kid (because apparently they had a fling when Superman was gone) is a weird idea and the thought of Superman and Lois raising that baby to become the next Batman after Batman sacrifices himself would also seem weird. With that said, I'm actually hyped for a potential post-apocalyptic story with evil Superman where they gotta set things right, and that story in itself is more interesting to me than the story we got in JL.
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Anybody know who the guy was with the Ax that cut into Darkseid essentially ending his first conquest attempt? Was he one of the gods?
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Anybody know who the guy was with the Ax that cut into Darkseid essentially ending his first conquest attempt? Was he one of the gods?
Ares I think?
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Oh yeah, duh. That was when him and zeus were still on the same team.
Good call. Thanks
At first I was like "why is this random viking human dude able to damage Darkseid", but if its Ares then that makes way more sense
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Finally finished the Snyder Cut. I definitely still have my issues with it, but it is easily better than the theatrical version.
Totally agree
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10% of this movie is slow motion shots! ::)
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10% of this movie is slow motion shots! ::)
Does that surprise you with the Flash being in it?
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10% of this movie is slow motion shots! ::)
I saw that.
I was surprised. I thought the number would be higher than that. Slow motion is to Snyder as lens flare is to J.J. Abrams.
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Surely it can't be worse than the first one. Nice looking cast
Suicide Squad 2 trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL5RDFub_Cw)
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I have faith in this sequel just due to the fact James Gunn is at the helm.
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That's a waste of Gunn's talent imo, but whatever if we get a good movie I'll be happy
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That's a waste of Gunn's talent imo, but whatever if we get a good movie I'll be happy
I don't get this. This movie is right in his lane. Perfect style of movie he excels at.
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I liked the first Wonder Woman - best of the DCEU by quite a distance. Disappointing to hear that WW84 is a bloated mess.
I thought DC were moving in the right direction and was actually looking forward to it. Ah well.
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Black Adam to be released summer 2022, and will feature a group of heroes it is referring to as the Justice Society of America, although it bears no resemblance to the JSA with which I am familiar.
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I finally caught up with the last two movies I hadn't seen in the DCEU, Birds of Prey and Wonder Woman 1984.
Birds of Prey (8/10)
I really enjoyed Birds of Prey, it was a quirky fun movie that had a nice comic-booky look throughout. I kinda wish they setup Black Mask a little bit more, other than that I thought it was great. The police station scene was hilarious. I think it did just ok financially so not sure how it will affect the other movies like Catwoman or others they may have planned.
Wonder Woman 1984 (6/10)
Man what a disappointing sequel. This movie was really not sure what it wanted to be. When I saw that mall scene, I thought awesome I don't mind if the whole movie is this way. But it kinda flips and flops and is really inconsistent with the tone and how characters go rogue. I dunno it felt all over the place. I do have to say Chris Pine and Gal Gadot have amazing chemistry together. Their scenes together were the best parts of the movie. I also think this was the best acted WW by Gal Gadot. She was very iffy in BvS, kinda in between ok and good in her solo movie & both JLs but I think she knocked it out of the park with her role here. Too bad the script was problematic.
Just too bad we got a very average by the numbers sequel with some promising scenes sprinkled in.
I also for the first time did an entire rewatch of all 9 DCEU movies. Some perceptions changed, some stayed the same. Have to think about where they all rank.
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https://www.thewrap.com/michael-keaton-confirmed-batman-the-flash/
sweet
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https://www.thewrap.com/michael-keaton-confirmed-batman-the-flash/
sweet
Agreed. I used to watch Supergirl; I haven't kept up with the station-switches and the increased heavy-handed wokeness, but I've been meaning to catch up on the other legs of the tripod - Flash and Green Arrow. This might be a good reason to do just that.
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If you’re looking to avoid any liberal thoughts, then I’d stick to Green Arrow. Even though all the shows have become increasingly meh. Except Superman and Lois and Legends.
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So it looks like based on the success of fans rallying to get the Snyder Cut released, fans of Joel Schumacher are angling to get the director's cut of Batman Forever released. I never knew a director's cut existed before today. According to reports, the film was a big more psychological, and had scenes cut including an extended dream sequence with a giant bat. It's reported as being much "more dark" than the theatrical version.
There's this Twitter account, @SchumacherCut, that hopes to make the hashtag #ReleaseTheSchumacherCut trend on Twitter on Wednesday, June 16.
To be honest, I'm not sure the director's cut of this particular film is worth it. Obviously, I haven't seen it. But while I like Val Kilmer as an actor, I was saying to my wife that he got Bruce Wayne entirely wrong. He played him serious, whereas Bruce Wayne was supposed to be a playboy to the general public. Keaton got that. So did Bale. But I felt Kilmer just didn't get it. Or if he did, he was directed to act the part that way, which I felt was a mistake.
I liked Batman Forever when it was released. I always felt that while Batman (1989) was really good, Batman Returns, other than the stellar Catwoman performance, was lacking. It was too gothic and weird. So I was happy to see it lightened a bit. Unfortunately, Joel Schumacher went a little far for my tastes with all the neon and stuff. But I thought Chris O'Donnell was a good Robin. Jim Carrey's Riddler was fun. Tommy Lee Jones...I think they wasted his talents. That character had real serious issues, and they just made him a campy villain.
I rewatched the theatrical version over the last year. It was tough to sit through, given how good (IMO) the Nolan Trilogy was. To me, that is the definitive "Batman on Film." Batman Forever hasn't aged well. That said, I'd be interested in viewing a director's cut, if it truly is more than one additional scene, to see this "psychological angle" that has been discussed.
I'm not one for these Twitter trending things, so I probably won't be taking part on the 16th. But if it happens, and WB makes the director's cut of Batman Forever available, I'd check it out.
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I can't imagine this being a good idea. Or one that would actually happen.
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I can't imagine this being a good idea. Or one that would actually happen.
I don't think it will happen. The Snyder cut was different. He WANTED it released. Schumacher passed away last year. I don't really think WB has any real reason to release it. The theatrical version, despite its flaws was a box office success.
Then again, considering Stallone is releasing a new cut of Rocky IV, and these new cuts of films seem to be trending, you never know. If there's money to be had, WB will be all over it.
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Absolutely loved The Suicide Squad. What a fun movie.
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Absolutely loved The Suicide Squad. What a fun movie.
Yea, saw it earlier. Really really great movie. Second act was a bit slow but overall fantastic movie.
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jingle.son and I enjoyed it very much. So much ridiculousness.
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James Gunn has been one of my favorite directors/screenwriters for a while so I'm glad WB just let him do whatever he wanted here. Reminds me of his earlier films like Slither and Super but with a gigantic budget. Also enjoyed the Lloyd Kaufman cameo and apparently Toxie is hidden in there somewhere too.
Also Side note, I want some King Shark merch ASAP.
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I'm more anxious to see the King Shark cosplays at the cons.
It was a fun movie, stupid as fuck, but fun.
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Watched TSS last night, after finally watching SS 2016 for the first time ever the night before. Definitely a unique experience watching both on consecutive nights, though now I wish I had squeezed Birds Of Prey in there between them. At least I watched the Extended Cut of SS 2016, and it wasn't awful. For me, definitely a B-grade movie.
But HOLY COW, was James Gunn's The Suicide Squad something else entirely. I loved it. A+ from me. Easily one of the best DCEU films released.
Fun fact - James Gunn now has the distinction of releasing the 10th film in both the MCU and the DCEU. Cannot wait to see what he's got in store for Peacemaker, who was pretty great in TSS.
-Marc.
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So is this a remake or a sequel/prequel? The original wasn't bad, wasn't great; the joy of seeing Margot Robbie in a tight t-shirt lasted longer than it should have (that's not meant to be sexist, but to say that the movie wasn't as compelling as it might have been).
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So is this a remake or a sequel/prequel? The original wasn't bad, wasn't great; the joy of seeing Margot Robbie in a tight t-shirt lasted longer than it should have (that's not meant to be sexist, but to say that the movie wasn't as compelling as it might have been).
It’s a sequel/soft reboot. It doesn’t really mention the original other than a few returning characters, and using the foundation set by the first one as to what the team even is.
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And, imo, Robbie's was the standout performance
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And, imo, Robbie's was the standout performance
Of this one? I dunno. She was great as always but I was just as interested in almost everyone else. I think everyone gave a great performance.
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Liked it. But didn't love it - still think the first Wonder Woman is the best DC (universe).
Thought the first 45 minutes or so were great (until they 'rescue' Rick Flag) and the finale was great, but there is a ton of dead air in the bloated mid section that I found quite dull. Also not keen on Harley in this film, a lot of her jokes fell flat (that Milton stuff....). I also really didn't like Harley (an agent of random chaos) turning into a precision killing machine (ala John Wick) - felt completely out of character. I also felt The Thinker was completely wasted from a character point of view anyway, which is a shame as Peter Capaldi was brilliant with what little he was given.
Went in thinking King Shark would be the highlight but actually Ratcatcher 2 and her rat stole the show for me.
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I'm not saying that Harley is exactly this, but there are some characters that were never intended to be "lead characters" but merely foils of those around them, and I think that in the rush to have 8 million characters in each universe, we've sort of lost sight of that in both universes.
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Anybody watching Titans on HBO MAX? Season 3 Episode 2 was amazing.
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Anybody watching Titans on HBO MAX? Season 3 Episode 2 was amazing.
I avoided that show for a long time because of how awful that first trailer was with the "F*** Batman" thing. Then I decided to give it a shot a few months ago and watched the first two seasons.
Definitely WAY over dramatic, but actually pretty good. Not nearly as good as Doom Patrol, but not nearly as bad as I had imagined. I started watching season 3 but was so tired I actually fell asleep during episode 2. So I should probably try that one again haha. I remember seeing the ending and I already knew the Red Hood identity from other stuff, but I'm sure there's a ton I missed.
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It definitely is not our normal Teen Titans buy I've been enjoying it.
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It definitely is not our normal Teen Titans buy I've been enjoying it.
I've never seen Teen Titans and I've never been a DC comics guy, so a lot of this is new to me which is fun.
Also just watched Episode 3...........woah.
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Tomorrow night for me!!
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Saw The Suicide Squad over the weekend. Awesome. My favorite modern DC movie.
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BATMAN trailer.
https://youtu.be/fWQrd6cwJ0A
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BATMAN trailer.
https://youtu.be/fWQrd6cwJ0A
Love it
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Eh, with two minutes of footage they can make you believe anything. Having said that, looks quite good!!!
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Just when you thought they couldn't make The Batman any darker... :P
Honestly, looks good! I'm reserving judgement until after I've seen it though.
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The Flash | First Teaser Trailer | DC FanDome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRC05iThBFM
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Black Adam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p99rer0DiCo
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That Black Adam was definitely a TEASE!
Also, Shazam 2 featurette / behind the scenes. This looks cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVdiZvWfkyw
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The Batman has been revealed to be 167 minutes long without credits, making it one of the longest comic book movies of all time, behind the likes of Avengers: Endgame and Zack Snyder's Justice League.
Can't wait to spend nearly 3 hours in the grim and gritty Gotham!
-Marc.
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The Batman has been revealed to be 167 minutes long without credits, making it one of the longest comic book movies of all time, behind the likes of Avengers: Endgame and Zack Snyder's Justice League.
That honestly makes it more likely that I will wait til I can watch it at home.
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The Batman has been revealed to be 167 minutes long without credits, making it one of the longest comic book movies of all time, behind the likes of Avengers: Endgame and Zack Snyder's Justice League.
That honestly makes it more likely that I will wait til I can watch it at home.
My 60 year-old bladder and lack of a prostate agrees.
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The Batman has been revealed to be 167 minutes long without credits, making it one of the longest comic book movies of all time, behind the likes of Avengers: Endgame and Zack Snyder's Justice League.
That honestly makes it more likely that I will wait til I can watch it at home.
My 60 year-old bladder and lack of a prostate agrees.
jingle.son and I plan on driving an hour to see this in (the closest) IMAX
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Damn Chad. That's the closest I-MAX to you?
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Damn Chad. That's the closest I-MAX to you?
Socialized movie theaters.
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Damn Chad. That's the closest I-MAX to you?
Socialized movie theaters.
60 miles apart please.
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Damn Chad. That's the closest I-MAX to you?
Socialized movie theaters.
96.5 km apart please.
Fixed.
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:lol
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Damn Chad. That's the closest I-MAX to you?
Socialized movie theaters.
Mine's like two miles. God bless America.
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I really hope The Batman is good. 3 hours of film and it not being DCEU are already two big plusses for me. And Robert Pattinson is great.
I tend to like long films. Usually they are quicker than tv-series but slower than the usual blockbuster, aka my sweetspot.
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Damn Chad. That's the closest I-MAX to you?
Socialized movie theaters.
Nah... I just live in a small town / region.
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Damn Chad. That's the closest I-MAX to you?
Socialized movie theaters.
Nah... I just live in a small town / region.
Because of socialism.
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The Batman has been revealed to be 167 minutes long without credits, making it one of the longest comic book movies of all time, behind the likes of Avengers: Endgame and Zack Snyder's Justice League.
That honestly makes it more likely that I will wait til I can watch it at home.
My 60 year-old bladder and lack of a prostate agrees.
jingle.son and I plan on driving an hour to see this in (the closest) IMAX
If it were a Marvel film I wanted to see in IMAX, and the closest one was an hour away, I would do that.
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The Batman has been revealed to be 167 minutes long without credits, making it one of the longest comic book movies of all time, behind the likes of Avengers: Endgame and Zack Snyder's Justice League.
That honestly makes it more likely that I will wait til I can watch it at home.
My 60 year-old bladder and lack of a prostate agrees.
jingle.son and I plan on driving an hour to see this in (the closest) IMAX
If it were a Marvel film I wanted to see in IMAX, and the closest one was an hour away, I would do that.
We did for Endgame.
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I watched the animated movie version of the Long Halloween. Enjoyed Part 2 more than part one, and overall I wish they would have just kept the same story as the comic.
But I was still happy to have watched it.
Also watched Batman Vs. Robin that involved the court of owls. That was awesome.
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Black Adam trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2KylmEC6Bc
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Black Adam trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2KylmEC6Bc
Looks fun.
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I think I was expecting more?
It's just been SOO hyped for sooo long but it looks like a pretty traditional by the numbers Rock movie with a superhero framework.
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I think I was expecting more?
It's just been SOO hyped for sooo long but it looks like a pretty traditional by the numbers Rock movie with a superhero framework.
Yeah... it was a bit of a lunchbag letdown. I'll still hit it in theatres.
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The DC/WB Panel at SDCC begins shortly. I think we will be getting new looks at Black Adam and Shazam: Fury Of The Gods, and maybe a sneak peek at Aquaman 2? Maybe they will finally let us know what they plan to do with the Flash film. :lol
-Marc.
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First trailer for SHAZAM: Fury Of The Gods (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwFOa3qV5Sk) has dropped from SDCC! Looks really good! Might be the better "film about a thunder-powered hero facing off against other gods" this year. ;) :lol
-Marc.
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And here's another peek at Black Adam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5jkl-32_dM), with some new bits not seen in the previous trailer!
This clip (and the first trailer) really make me hope they make a solo Dr. Fate film with Brosnan.
-Marc.
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Shazam looks outstanding, and I really enjoyed the first one. Very stoked.
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So apparently the Batgirl movie, which they (it seems) completed shooting everything, is being scrapped. No HBO Max release, no theatrical release, nothing.
Did not expect that!
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It's pretty incredible how they spent $90 million on it already and had Jonah Jameson, and Michael Keaton on board and yet they gutted it with no chance of a streaming home. A lot weird shit going on with the whole Discovery acquiring of HBO max and WB property by the looks of it.
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I just read that they are delaying season 4 of Titans too. Wtf.
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So apparently the Batgirl movie, which they (it seems) completed shooting everything, is being scrapped. No HBO Max release, no theatrical release, nothing.
I read that this morning.
Pretty crazy. Hard to believe that kind of investment was made and it won't be shown anywhere at all with no chance of recouping anything.
It must be awful.
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So apparently the Batgirl movie, which they (it seems) completed shooting everything, is being scrapped. No HBO Max release, no theatrical release, nothing.
I read that this morning.
Pretty crazy. Hard to believe that kind of investment was made and it won't be shown anywhere at all with no chance of recouping anything.
It must be awful.
According to Variety, they may be using it as a tax write-off. But, if they do that they can't release it later, even on HBO Max.
Also, they mention that the movie was supposed to go strait to streaming, but the new CEO doesn't want to release major movies on HBO Max. And, apparently it's not up to snuff for a theatrical release, and would require too much money to get it there.
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A lot of tin-foil-hatted Snyder fans are taking this, and the recent reveal that Batfleck will be in Aquaman 2, as a sign that WBD is working to restore the Snyderverse, since Batgirl would've featured Michael Keaton Batman in a post-Flash DCEU.
Either way, I feel bad for everyone who worked on Batgirl, even if the film didn't receive good reviews from test screenings.
-Marc.
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Anyone else see Black Adam yesterday? I thought it was better than I expected, lots of fun, and great action! I think Dwayne Johnson really toned down his typical DJ-ness for the role and pulled off Adam fairly well. The Justice Society was also quite well played by everyone and now I want a movie about just them!
Also, be sure to stay for that mid-credits scene (if you haven't been spoiled on it already).
-Marc.
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Seeing it tomorrow. Can't wait!
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So apparently the Batgirl movie, which they (it seems) completed shooting everything, is being scrapped. No HBO Max release, no theatrical release, nothing.
Did not expect that!
Who played Batgirl? Yvonne Craig?
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So apparently the Batgirl movie, which they (it seems) completed shooting everything, is being scrapped. No HBO Max release, no theatrical release, nothing.
Did not expect that!
Who played Batgirl? Yvonne Craig?
What a strange reply!
And yes, it's Yvonne Craig. She will be fighting Eartha Kitt. Sadly due to both of them being dead, it'll be a pretty boring movie.
Probably why it was scrapped.
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Julie Newmar is hurt inside.
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Julie Newmar is hurt inside.
I think she's doing fine!
(https://i.imgur.com/bMklors.png)
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She sure was. Meow.
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Critics are so dumb. The movie was fantastic. I really enjoyed it.
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Got my tix for Tuesday night.
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I thought Black Adam was pretty poor unfortunately. Reminded me a lot of those early 00's superhero movies like Fantastic Four where everything feels kinda by the numbers and nothing really stands out. Generic plot, CGI that wasn't overly impressive, characters that felt pretty flat. The kid was really cringeworthy and the comedy sidekick character felt like the C-tier version of a MCU comedy sidekick. The Rock did alright with what his part was but for me everything else just felt pretty generic. Did like Pierce Brosnan though but the bad guy was so bad and the final battle felt so forced and contrived - it could honestly be one of the worst bad guys & end battles of any superhero movie I have seen. Doctor Doom in the Josh Trank Fantastic Four was more memorable.
The mid credits scene was fun but unfortunately not enough to compensate for the rest IMO.
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Caught Black Adam over the weekend. I thought it had potential but the plot needed a little more substance. It felt messy and the acting wasn't great (IMO). Despite that, I enjoyed it, it had some good moments.
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RIP Kevin Conroy, the voice of Batman for generations of fans across the world. He will be greatly missed.
-Marc.
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Looks like James Gunn is writing the new Superman and Henry Cavill isn't coming back.
James Gunn:
Peter & I have a DC slate ready to go, which we couldn’t be more over-the-moon about; we’ll be able to share some exciting information about our first projects at the beginning of the new year.
Among those on the slate is Superman. In the initial stages, our story will be focusing on an earlier part of Superman's life, so the character will not be played by Henry Cavill.
But we just had a great meeting with Henry and we’re big fans and we talked about a number of exciting possibilities to work together in the future.
Henry Cavill:
I just had a meeting with James Gunn and Peter Safran, and it’s sad news, everyone. I will, after all, not be returning as Superman. After being told by the studio to announce my return back in October, prior to their hire, this news isn’t the easiest, but that’s life. The changing of the guard is something that happens. I respect that. James and Peter have a universe to build. I wish. them and all involved with the new universe the best of luck, and the happiest of fortunes.
For those who have been by my side through the years…we can mourn for a bit, but then we must remember. Superman is still around, everything he stands for still exists, and the examples he sets are for sure still there! My turn to wear the cape has passed, but what Superman stands for never will. It’s been a fun ride with you all, onwards and upwards.
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New trailer for Shazam looks good, I like how the movie looks in general.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIc671o9yCI
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It's looks great. Can't wait to see it.
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Lots of news coming out about the future of DC.
New Movies and Shows announced (https://variety.com/2023/film/news/dc-universe-superman-legacy-batman-green-lantern-supergirl-booster-gold-1235507426/).
The projects run the gamut. There are titles based on marquee DC heroes — including the previously announced Superman feature written by Gunn, now officially titled “Superman: Legacy,” a Batman and Robin movie, a Wonder Woman prequel series and a Green Lantern mystery series — as well as titles featuring lesser known characters, including Booster Gold and Swamp Thing. The DCU exists as a multiverse, Safran said, but the titles will exist in one singular universe. Overall, the slate represents the most robust vision for DC’s future in scripted entertainment since Warner Bros.’ first attempt in 2014 to build a universe to rival that of Marvel Studios.
Also of interest to me is the inclusion of The Authority.
The four remaining films from the previous management (https://variety.com/2023/film/news/ezra-miller-dc-future-the-flash-recover-james-gunn-1235507014/).
When Gunn and Safran took the DC reins in October, there was a great deal of speculation that the four upcoming DC movies green lit by the previous DC/Warners regime — “Shazam!,” “The Flash,” “Blue Beetle” and an “Aquaman” sequel — were viewed as lame ducks. But Gunn quickly dispelled that notion by characterizing “The Flash” in the most laudatory terms possible.
“I will say here that “Flash” is probably one of the greatest superhero movies ever made,” Gunn said.
The pair said “Shazam!” sets up the Andy Muschietti-directed “The Flash,” which “resets everything,” according to Gunn. (He declined to spell out exactly how the Miller-led stand-alone resets everything because the move is plot-driven and would contain spoilers). “The Flash” then segues into “Blue Beetle,” which flows into “Aquaman 2,” which will then lead into a new “Superman” film without Henry Cavill, the actor who most recently donned the red cape for the big screen.
Also, films/shows outside of the main continuity (like The Batman and Joker) to be branded under DC Elseworlds.
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Only thing I need to hear is that "The Joker" and Matt Reeves' Batman saga remain standalone, and not part of the future DCU. Matt Reeves' Batman movies are what interests me the most. I loved "The Batman", and it's almost on par with Chris Nolan's batman trilogy IMO.
I wish good luck to James Gunn. Previous DCEU was a clusterfuck, and only 2 movies I genuinely liked were the first Wonder Woman and James Gunn's Suicide Squad.
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If you follow James Gunn on Twitter, he released a tweet video of him talking about all the new movies, TV shows & video games all tie together in the DC universe.
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Only thing I need to hear is that "The Joker" and Matt Reeves' Batman saga remain standalone, and not part of the future DCU. Matt Reeves' Batman movies are what interests me the most. I loved "The Batman", and it's almost on par with Chris Nolan's batman trilogy IMO.
They have announced that movies like The Batman and The Joker, which are outside the regular continuity, will be released under the DC Elseworlds label.
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Love that they are using the Elseworlds label for stuff outside of normal continuity.
Not all of these are my favorite choices, and I am not sure I understand Lanterns or the appeal of such a thing at all, but this will benefit from all of the DC output being governed by a unified vision a la the MCU and Kevin Feige. This is the first I've been excited about upcoming DC products in a long, long time.
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I hope it works out for Gunn & DC, but I am not very hopeful.
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I was a DC kid growing up - Green Lantern is my favorite character, followed by the '70s Batman - but man, have they fucked this up royally. I can't believe they moved on from Henry Cavill as Superman, and I actually LIKED Affleck's Batman. That fight scene in Batman v. Superman is still my favorite fight scene EVER.
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Wasn't one of them beating the other with a toilet or sink or something?
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Wasn't one of them beating the other with a toilet or sink or something?
No; I'm talking the scene where Batman was trying to get to Martha Kent and took on that whole gang. It wasn't the fight between Supes and Batman, but the other one. :) :) :)
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Wasn't one of them beating the other with a toilet or sink or something?
No; I'm talking the scene where Batman was trying to get to Martha Kent and took on that whole gang. It wasn't the fight between Supes and Batman, but the other one. :) :) :)
I saw the movie once. I don't remember liking it at all. I have no recollection of anything other than one hitting the other with a toiler or sink and then Doomsday killing Superman and the whole "is she with you?" "No, thought she was with you" said by the guy who just sent for her. Not gonna rewatch it, but I trust that it's a cool scene.
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Wasn't one of them beating the other with a toilet or sink or something?
No; I'm talking the scene where Batman was trying to get to Martha Kent and took on that whole gang. It wasn't the fight between Supes and Batman, but the other one. :) :) :)
That movie was awful.
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https://youtu.be/m7GWGLkPepU
I'm here for you. Though I will say, it's WAY better on a big screen in a dark room than on a friggin' Safari browser in a 6" by 4" window. I was playing a lot of Batman Arkham at the time and the fight choreography was very reminiscent of that.
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I actually enjoyed the 3 hour version of that movie a lot more. That fight scene Stadler is referencing is great.
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I was bored to tears with the original Justice League release. Then I remember they released the 67 hour black and white artsy Snyder version. I watched it with candy and comfort food, expecting to hate it.
But man...not bad! It's too long and dark to rewatch much, but definitely the best of the Snyder releases in the DCEU.
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I was bored to tears with the original Justice League release. Then I remember they released the 67 hour black and white artsy Snyder version. I watched it with candy and comfort food, expecting to hate it.
But man...not bad! It's too long and dark to rewatch much, but definitely the best of the Snyder releases in the DCEU.
I agree, the really long reissue was much better than the original release. But I didn't watch it in B&W, I watched the first color release.
Still not great, but not the trainwreck that was the theatrical release.
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Lol it wasn't in B&W, but I get the sentiment. It was darkly graded and even daytime looked like night. I really enjoyed the 4 hour version of Justice League, it had a lot of good things in it.
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Actually, I think it was in color, but in 4:3 ratio.
But there is definitely a B&W version available.
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I had forgotten they did a B&W version too, they didn't release it on bluray I think it was only on HBO. It does have the 4:3 ratio which I thought worked really well for the movie.
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I was extremely underwhelmed by the DC announcement. I really hope it all works out but there wasn't much to get excited about. However, I was also very underwhelmed by the announcement of a Peacemaker tv show and that show was absolutely awesome so I have faith in James Gunn.
I am really happy that we will get The Batman 2, as I absolutely loved The Batman and thought Robert Pattinson was great. However the fact that the Pattinson Batman continues outside of the main DC universe which will have its own Batman just doesn't really work for me. I think this kind of approach only confuses things for the casual movie fan.
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It's not that hard. Movies like The Batman are now known as the Elsewhere Universe. It's not that confusing.
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It's not that hard. Movies like The Batman are now known as the Elsewhere Universe. It's not that confusing.
But just confusing enough to not call it "Elseworlds", which is what it is, and is basically DC's version of Marvel's What If...? comics. Basically alternate re-tellings of characters' stories.
-Marc.
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It's not that hard. Movies like The Batman are now known as the Elsewhere Universe. It's not that confusing.
I'm not saying it is hard but for the general moviegoer who knows nothing about comic books etc it is confusing and I believe this approach harms the brand.
It is my opinion that this probably isn't the preferred approach Gunn wants to take, but from a studio perspective both Joker and The Batman were huge successes and sequels have already been greenlit. To make it work these films have been branded as 'Elseworlds' which the general movie going public won't understand and won't care about. All they will care about is having to see yet another take on Batman on screen when the new Batman movie in the main DC universe comes out.
I really hope it all works out.
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They legally can't stop it. That's why they are labeling like they are.
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They legally can't stop it. That's why they are labeling like they are.
It doesn't have anything to do with "legal".
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They legally can't stop it. That's why they are labeling like they are.
It doesn't have anything to do with "legal".
Well, Warner Brother has contracts with DC and not the DC studios to they must have contracts. I know like Marvel, other studios had the rights to Spiderman and the Fantastic 4 so Marvel had to work out a deal to be able to make the movies. I'd assume the same with some of the DC characters.
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They legally can't stop it. That's why they are labeling like they are.
It doesn't have anything to do with "legal".
Well, Warner Brother has contracts with DC and not the DC studios to they must have contracts. I know like Marvel, other studios had the rights to Spiderman and the Fantastic 4 so Marvel had to work out a deal to be able to make the movies. I'd assume the same with some of the DC characters.
That's not the case. Warner brothers doesn't have contracts with DC. Warner Brothers is the corporate owner of DC comics. They have always held all film rights to DC characters.
They are doing it this way just because they want to. They want Reeves and Pattinson to be able to make their Batman stuff, and Phillips and Phoenix to make their Joker stuff, without being hampered or tied down by each other's products or any overarching "universe". They are FINALLY using the Elseworlds tag for such endeavors, which they should have already been using.
And this way, they can also have a Batman to interact with other DC characters as they build out this new version of their universe. It's the best of both worlds, and mirrors, in a way, how the publishing side is already set up.
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Win win then. No issues getting characters like Marvel. I always thought they missed out with the Fantastic 4 with the early phases. They were my favorite Marvel characters as a kid.
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Win win then. No issues getting characters like Marvel. I always thought they missed out with the Fantastic 4 with the early phases. They were my favorite Marvel characters as a kid.
Me too.
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But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure
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But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure
4 - never forget the Roger Corman one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcpmM-eTESI
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But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure
Not made by Marvel though. I'm talking the whole MCU timeline.
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But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure
Not made by Marvel though. I'm talking the whole MCU timeline.
Not made by Marvel Studios. Marvel Comics still had some hand in the creation of all non-MCU Marvel films.
-Marc.
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But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure
Not made by Marvel though. I'm talking the whole MCU timeline.
Not made by Marvel Studios. Marvel Comics still had some hand in the creation of all non-MCU Marvel films.
-Marc.
I wouldn't word it that way. No one involved in the actual creation of comics ever had any say.
I think the corporate body that had any say was Marvel Entertainment. But they basically rubber-stamped everything. I'm not sure how much say they really had at all beyond very broad strokes (Character X cannot do these things, etc) once the film rights were sold.
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But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure
Not made by Marvel though. I'm talking the whole MCU timeline.
Not made by Marvel Studios. Marvel Comics still had some hand in the creation of all non-MCU Marvel films.
-Marc.
I wouldn't word it that way. No one involved in the actual creation of comics ever had any say.
I think the corporate body that had any say was Marvel Entertainment. But they basically rubber-stamped everything. I'm not sure how much say they really had at all beyond very broad strokes (Character X cannot do these things, etc) once the film rights were sold.
Fair, but Kevin Feige was an associate/executive producer on a LOT of pre-MCU films.
X-Men Associate producer
Spider-Man Associate producer
Daredevil Co-producer
X2 Co-producer
Hulk Executive producer
The Punisher Executive producer
Spider-Man 2 Executive producer
Man-Thing Executive producer
Elektra Co-producer
Fantastic Four Executive producer
X-Men: The Last Stand Executive producer
Spider-Man 3 Executive producer
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer Executive producer
Punisher: War Zone Executive producer
The Amazing Spider-Man Executive producer
I'd say it was a bit more than just "rubber stamping" films and giving studios the OK. Marvel had SOME influence and say in how the films went, for better or for worse.
-Marc.
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I wanted to see the Fantastic 4 in the MCU. Intertwined with other superheros. Not a stand alone movie. That's all I was trying to get at.
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You guys all know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but in the comics, the FF4 was sort of the flagship. First, I noted a very different tone to the movies from the comics, and then between the movies they seemed to shift tone as well. It felt... not disrespectful, really, but sort of slap dash in a way that I don't think the original property really deserved.
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You guys all know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but in the comics, the FF4 was sort of the flagship. First, I noted a very different tone to the movies from the comics, and then between the movies they seemed to shift tone as well. It felt... not disrespectful, really, but sort of slap dash in a way that I don't think the original property really deserved.
Yes and no.
Yea, the FF were the beginning of Marvel as we know it, even if they later incorporated older characters like Cap and Namor etc.
I didn’t hate the first movie though I haven’t seen it in a very long time. It’s hard to say it differed in tone because FF has been around for over 60 years and have had so many different tones at different times. Still largely awful movies though.
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But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure
Not made by Marvel though. I'm talking the whole MCU timeline.
Not made by Marvel Studios. Marvel Comics still had some hand in the creation of all non-MCU Marvel films.
-Marc.
I wouldn't word it that way. No one involved in the actual creation of comics ever had any say.
I think the corporate body that had any say was Marvel Entertainment. But they basically rubber-stamped everything. I'm not sure how much say they really had at all beyond very broad strokes (Character X cannot do these things, etc) once the film rights were sold.
Fair, but Kevin Feige was an associate/executive producer on a LOT of pre-MCU films.
X-Men Associate producer
Spider-Man Associate producer
Daredevil Co-producer
X2 Co-producer
Hulk Executive producer
The Punisher Executive producer
Spider-Man 2 Executive producer
Man-Thing Executive producer
Elektra Co-producer
Fantastic Four Executive producer
X-Men: The Last Stand Executive producer
Spider-Man 3 Executive producer
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer Executive producer
Punisher: War Zone Executive producer
The Amazing Spider-Man Executive producer
I'd say it was a bit more than just "rubber stamping" films and giving studios the OK. Marvel had SOME influence and say in how the films went, for better or for worse.
-Marc.
Well, there are producers and then there are PRODUCERS. Back then, he was not yet Feige the Great and Powerful. He was a guy that worked on the films. He wasn't a studio exec, and wasn't a writer, and wasn't a director. The only creative influence I know of that he had on really any of those (and I have heard him talk about this) was that on some of them, he was able to make suggestions to the director on various small things. That's about it.
Unless, obviously, there is something I don't know about lol
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You guys all know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but in the comics, the FF4 was sort of the flagship. First, I noted a very different tone to the movies from the comics, and then between the movies they seemed to shift tone as well. It felt... not disrespectful, really, but sort of slap dash in a way that I don't think the original property really deserved.
Well in regards to how Marvel handled the X-Men and FF comics between 2000s and 2010s, it came down to Fox using them and Marvel not wanting to promote those properties because their film studio couldn't use them. Is it petty? Sure. Were they right to do so? Ehhhh... I know it probably upset a LOT of fans that Marvel Comics spotlighted the Inhumans to promote Agents of SHIELD and their eventually-awful Inhumans TV show. Same goes for canceling their FF comics only to bring them back around the time that Disney was buying Fox.
Hopefully now that Disney/Marvel have all of their characters (sans Spider-Man) back under their ownership, we can get a Fantastic Four story done right, within the context of the MCU.
And not to further derail the DC thread with more Marvel talk, let's just hope that the obvious Elseworlds branding is enough to keep the general movie-going public aware that films like The Batman and Joker are separate from the new DCU. I think because they're pre-existing franchises with little ties to the Snyder-verse, it's a bit more obvious to most general audiences, especially given how different the style and tone of those films are compared to things like Justice League, Birds Of Prey, The Suicide Squad, and Shazam.
Also, does it weird anyone else out that DC is still planning to have FOUR FILMS out this year when Marvel only has three? Would've been four but they delayed Blade due to a change in directors, and I guess that Fall film slot wasn't going to get filled in time.
But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure
Not made by Marvel though. I'm talking the whole MCU timeline.
Not made by Marvel Studios. Marvel Comics still had some hand in the creation of all non-MCU Marvel films.
-Marc.
I wouldn't word it that way. No one involved in the actual creation of comics ever had any say.
I think the corporate body that had any say was Marvel Entertainment. But they basically rubber-stamped everything. I'm not sure how much say they really had at all beyond very broad strokes (Character X cannot do these things, etc) once the film rights were sold.
Fair, but Kevin Feige was an associate/executive producer on a LOT of pre-MCU films.
X-Men Associate producer
Spider-Man Associate producer
Daredevil Co-producer
X2 Co-producer
Hulk Executive producer
The Punisher Executive producer
Spider-Man 2 Executive producer
Man-Thing Executive producer
Elektra Co-producer
Fantastic Four Executive producer
X-Men: The Last Stand Executive producer
Spider-Man 3 Executive producer
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer Executive producer
Punisher: War Zone Executive producer
The Amazing Spider-Man Executive producer
I'd say it was a bit more than just "rubber stamping" films and giving studios the OK. Marvel had SOME influence and say in how the films went, for better or for worse.
-Marc.
Well, there are producers and then there are PRODUCERS. Back then, he was not yet Feige the Great and Powerful. He was a guy that worked on the films. He wasn't a studio exec, and wasn't a writer, and wasn't a director. The only creative influence I know of that he had on really any of those (and I have heard him talk about this) was that on some of them, he was able to make suggestions to the director on various small things. That's about it.
Unless, obviously, there is something I don't know about lol
You might be right, but I'm not entirely sure myself either. I'm sure there are websites that document his involvement in those pre-/non-MCU films, but I've not searched out for them. It would make for a fascinating video essay on YouTube though (perhaps someone has already done it?).
-Marc.
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You're probably right. That's probably enough Marvel talk in the DCU thread lol
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I do wonder if James Gunn is vying for a position like that of Fiege. With him running the gamut of the DC universe he might be able to pull it off, his Suicide Squad movie and Peacemaker show are absolute gems. If he's able to harness that kind of vibe and quality with the next slate of movies in the DCEU I'm all for it. I like how Joker and The Batman are siloed away from the rest and don't mind that elseworld label.
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I do wonder if James Gunn is vying for a position like that of Fiege.
He isn't vying for it. He has it.
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Is he producing movies too? I thought he was just sort of the showrunner type of head figure and overseeing some of the expanded universe.
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Is he producing movies too? I thought he was just sort of the showrunner type of head figure and overseeing some of the expanded universe.
Gunn is sharing the duty of producer with Peter Safran from what I read.
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Gunn is also writing some stuff, at the very least, Superman Legacy, and, I believe, the Amanda Waller show that is a pseudo-sequel to Peacemaker.
Gunn is definitely being more hands-on than most folks might think, writing, producing, and probably directing a lot of stuff in the coming years at DC Studios. He's definitely the Feige of DC.
-Marc.
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Is he producing movies too? I thought he was just sort of the showrunner type of head figure and overseeing some of the expanded universe.
Gunn is sharing the duty of producer with Peter Safran from what I read.
Correct. Gunn and Safran are co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, reporting directly to the WBD CEO. They're in charge of DC film, tv, and animation division.
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Gunn is also writing some stuff, at the very least, Superman Legacy, and, I believe, the Amanda Waller show that is a pseudo-sequel to Peacemaker.
Gunn is definitely being more hands-on than most folks might think, writing, producing, and probably directing a lot of stuff in the coming years at DC Studios. He's definitely the Feige of DC.
-Marc.
So far Gunn is confirmed to have written Superman: Legacy and Creature Commandos. Waller is being headed up by the Doom patrol guy and the person who wrote the last Watchman series. I'm sure he provided outlines to other writers about what direction he wants things to go in though.
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Gunn is also writing some stuff, at the very least, Superman Legacy, and, I believe, the Amanda Waller show that is a pseudo-sequel to Peacemaker.
Gunn is definitely being more hands-on than most folks might think, writing, producing, and probably directing a lot of stuff in the coming years at DC Studios. He's definitely the Feige of DC.
-Marc.
So far Gunn is confirmed to have written Superman: Legacy and Creature Commandos. Waller is being headed up by the Doom patrol guy and the person who wrote the last Watchman series. I'm sure he provided outlines to other writers about what direction he wants things to go in though.
Ahhh okay, gotcha. I guess the Doom Patrol folks have more free time now that their series is ending anyway. I just assumed Gunn was involved, somewhat, considering it's still Viola Davis and is following up on Peacemaker Season 1.
To borrow from another Warner franchise, it very much feels like Gunn is The Architect of the DCU now, going forward, and honestly, I'm kind of hopeful given his track record with adapting comics so far for Marvel. He made me care for a Christmas Special! :lol
-Marc.
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Gunn is also writing some stuff, at the very least, Superman Legacy, and, I believe, the Amanda Waller show that is a pseudo-sequel to Peacemaker.
Gunn is definitely being more hands-on than most folks might think, writing, producing, and probably directing a lot of stuff in the coming years at DC Studios. He's definitely the Feige of DC.
-Marc.
So far Gunn is confirmed to have written Superman: Legacy and Creature Commandos. Waller is being headed up by the Doom patrol guy and the person who wrote the last Watchman series. I'm sure he provided outlines to other writers about what direction he wants things to go in though.
Ahhh okay, gotcha. I guess the Doom Patrol folks have more free time now that their series is ending anyway. I just assumed Gunn was involved, somewhat, considering it's still Viola Davis and is following up on Peacemaker Season 1.
To borrow from another Warner franchise, it very much feels like Gunn is The Architect of the DCU now, going forward, and honestly, I'm kind of hopeful given his track record with adapting comics so far for Marvel. He made me care for a Christmas Special! :lol
-Marc.
I've been a fan of James Gunn for most of my life and didn't even realize it. Loved the Scooby doo movies as a kid (though as an adult I wish we got the R cut of the first one), then Slither and Super. Then when I got into Troma there's Tromeo and Juliet. Oh and of course he wrote the Dawn of the Dead remake directed by Zack Snyder oddly enough. So I will always be up for anything with his name attached.
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Dwayne Johnson was right when he said that there was a new hierarchy of power in the DC Universe. He was just wrong about what it was.
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Outside of Batman, I've always been a Marvel guy. I like James Gunn, but nothing in the announcement excited me. I think they have an epic challenge to compete and be relevant like the MCU.
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One cool thing about Gunn specifically mentioning what comics he's basing some of the movies on is that people are rushing out to buy them. The Authority for example is currently sold out almost everywhere and DC is scrambling to print more copies. Which is kinda cool to see.
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One cool thing about Gunn specifically mentioning what comics he's basing some of the movies on is that people are rushing out to buy them. The Authority for example is currently sold out almost everywhere and DC is scrambling to print more copies. Which is kinda cool to see.
I agree. Nice to see the film side directly helping out the comics side, since that's where all of the stories originate.
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Anyone see the new (or I guess first official?) Flash trailer?
I.....didn't like it? Lots of big surprises, and I like a few moments, which I assume are not the moments other people may like, but the rest looked either awkward, too busy, or just a straight up video game. The fight scenes just felt SO much like a video game that it took me out of it.
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It didn't blow my mind either, but it has Keaton as batman again so I'm definitely gonna see it. Otherwise I probably would have passed on it.
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It didn't blow my mind either, but it has Keaton as batman again so I'm definitely gonna see it. Otherwise I probably would have passed on it.
Yea. But they even managed to make the “I'm Batman” line seem blah.
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Got to remember, this was filmed a while ago so that video game feel is from the old direction. I liked the trailer. So, hopefully it's a nice way to reboot the storyline.
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It seemed really convoluted and busy, which wasn't great for me.
However, it brought back Danny Elfman's original Batman theme, so WIN.
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Just saw Shazam...there was a guy few seats next to me with a guitar :censored a freaking guitar at a movie theater lol
Anyways, movie was alright.
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Just saw Shazam...there was a few seats next to me with a guitar :censored a freaking guitar at a movie theater lol
Anyways, movie was alright.
I bet seeing a guitar in the theater was just as exciting as the film, eh? :lol
I caught the first showing at my local theater on Thursday afternoon and it was... enjoyable. Not amazing, and I don't think, after some mulling it over, it reaches the highs of the first SHAZAM! film. There are sparks of greatness in there, but lightning didn't strike twice for the franchise. Billy himself was largely absent, and it felt more like Freddy's film than Billy's, despite a really good Billy-story buried under many other half-baked plots.
It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. Definitely middle-of-the-road DCEU. It still astounds me that within a year, we got both a Black Adam AND a SHAZAM! movie and they didn't crossover ONCE. If you had told me that 10 years ago when the DCEU was beginning, I would've laughed in your face so hard it would've devolved into tears.
-Marc.
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Anyone see the recent interview with Ben Affleck where he talked about his time with the DC universe and what the future may hold?
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Anyone see the recent interview with Ben Affleck where he talked about his time with the DC universe and what the future may hold?
Didn't see the interview, but is it that he is not interested in directing a DC film? or something else?
There are sparks of greatness in there, but lightning didn't strike twice for the franchise. Billy himself was largely absent, and it felt more like Freddy's film than Billy's, despite a really good Billy-story buried under many other half-baked plots.
This is how I felt about the movie. It was not a good movie, but enjoyable for what it's supposed to be.
And the fake death ending has to be one of the worst writing I have seen in years.
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Anyone see the recent interview with Ben Affleck where he talked about his time with the DC universe and what the future may hold?
Didn't see the interview, but is it that he is not interested in directing a DC film? or something else?
There are sparks of greatness in there, but lightning didn't strike twice for the franchise. Billy himself was largely absent, and it felt more like Freddy's film than Billy's, despite a really good Billy-story buried under many other half-baked plots.
This is how I felt about the movie. It was not a good movie, but enjoyable for what it's supposed to be.
And the fake death ending has to be one of the worst writing I have seen in years.
Sorry; I should have put the link (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/ben-affleck-air-production-company-grammys-memes-justice-league-1235353301/). Talks about Justice League and the James Gunn-led DC Universe. I'm not trying to be difficult, here, but Affleck is clearly trying to be diplomatic, and I don't want to take one sentence out of context.
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Yeah, you can definitely "read between the lines" with his comments. We don't know what happened in the studio, but if he wasn't happy or satisfied, I don't blame him in the slightest.
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Anyone seeing The Flash today/this weekend? I'm catching a 6pm showing this evening after work. I can't say I'm *too* excited for it, mostly I'm just curious as to what will happen and how, if in any way, this will help shape the future of Gunn's DCU. I've somehow managed to avoid most spoilers (outside of trailer breakdowns), so at least I'm not spoiled on any major plot details, though I've read the director spoiled a big plot point in interviews (which I thankfully have avoided).
-Marc.
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Anyone seeing The Flash today/this weekend? I'm catching a 6pm showing this evening after work. I can't say I'm *too* excited for it, mostly I'm just curious as to what will happen and how, if in any way, this will help shape the future of Gunn's DCU. I've somehow managed to avoid most spoilers (outside of trailer breakdowns), so at least I'm not spoiled on any major plot details, though I've read the director spoiled a big plot point in interviews (which I thankfully have avoided).
-Marc.
I'll catch it on streaming.
People have been rushing to post every spoiler possible for a few days now. I strongly dislike that trend.
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Seeing it Saturday, late morning.
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Anyone seeing The Flash today/this weekend? I'm catching a 6pm showing this evening after work. I can't say I'm *too* excited for it, mostly I'm just curious as to what will happen and how, if in any way, this will help shape the future of Gunn's DCU. I've somehow managed to avoid most spoilers (outside of trailer breakdowns), so at least I'm not spoiled on any major plot details, though I've read the director spoiled a big plot point in interviews (which I thankfully have avoided).
-Marc.
As one of, if not the biggest Batman nerd and collector here on DTF (not sure how one would rank his or her nerdiness for a character), you bet your ass I have tickets for this evening. 7 p.m. showing. BUUUUUUT, I am going for one reason...and that's to support Batman on the big screen. I have no interest in Flash. I hate multiverse crossover stuff. Yet it is Michael Keaton. And donning the cape and cowl for the first time in 30 years. I fully expect a shitty movie, and if it isn't, awesome. But I'm just there for the Bat.
My HOPE is, they do a live action, standalone film for Batman Beyond, where Keaton plays the retired Bruce Wayne, and they hire an actor to play Terry McGinnis. I think it is absolutely doable, could make loads of money considering how hyped people are for Keaton's return, and if kept OUT of the multiverse, it would be another franchise that would enable DC to do some different things. Bring Inque to life, use Derek Powers/Blight, etc. If Keaton is up for it, and he IS the right age for the role, it would be awesome.
Anyway, my personal hot take is that I think Batman should be separate from all the "non-realistic" (in quotes because yes, this is all fantasy, I get that) takes on superheroes. In my not so humble opinion, Batman should be gritty, dark, more real, and separate from all the invisible jets, laser eyes, aliens, etc., bull crap that is involved in the multiverse. I KNOW many people love that era of Batman. I just don't. For me, Batman '89 was the first real close film to give me that Batman. Then the Nolan trilogy (the best all time). And then it took all the Bat-Fleck garbage to get to Matt Reeves' The Batman franchise, which thankfully, is standalone.
So pumped for tonight, to see Keaton take up the mantle once again. And if the movie ends up being good, so much the better. For me, fingers crossed this brings about a live action Batman Beyond.
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It was good. It wasn't great, but it had some great moments and one emotional beat that got to me.
Otherwise, it's not awful and given the last couple of DCEU films, this is only better by comparison (like liking Wakanda Forever after getting through Multiverse Of Madness and Love & Thunder last year).
I think one of the biggest things folks will take away from this film, besides Keaton, is the numerous Easter Eggs spotted in the third act. Once you see it, you'll understand what I mean, but it sucks that that's all anyone may talk about when Across The Spider-Verse just did the same thing but has a strong core plot with an emotional story to back it up. That isn't to say Barry's emotional journey isn't as strong, but being somewhat familiar with the comics it's based on (and having seen the animated Flashpoint film), I already knew going in what to expect from the overall story.
Being better than Black Adam and Shazam: Fury Of The Gods isn't a tall order, but I can at least say that the DCEU is at least going out with an upturn rather than a nosedive.
I am fairly excited for Blue Beetle, even if it feels very familiar, with spots in the trailer reminding me of a ton of superhero movie cliches and tropes, like, destroying busses. It's weird that it's happened twice (in Shang-Chi and Multiverse Of Madness) in the last few years, so it's weirder to see it again. It's like every writer in Hollywood has a grudge against public transportation.
-Marc.
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Yeah, it was good. Not the best in the world, but it wasn't bad at all. For all his douchebaggery in real life, Ezra Miller was wonderful in the film. Great acting. I absolutely hate multiverse stuff (see my rant above), but I enjoyed myself. Keaton was great in his role.
The biggest...reaction (being coy to avoid spoilers) was the last scene in the movie. I booed. Hard. :lol
The after credits scene (very end of the credits) was funny as hell.
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Yeah, it was good. Not the best in the world, but it wasn't bad at all. For all his douchebaggery in real life, Ezra Miller was wonderful in the film. Great acting. I absolutely hate multiverse stuff (see my rant above), but I enjoyed myself. Keaton was great in his role.
The biggest...reaction (being coy to avoid spoilers) was the last scene in the movie. I booed. Hard. :lol
The after credits scene (very end of the credits) was funny as hell.
Yeah, separating the art from the artist in regards to Miller, I think they did a fairly good job with what they were given, although the CGI for the double was a bit dodgy at parts, though mostly good (not as bad as some of the OTHER CGI seen in the film, though the makers say it was done that way on purpose). It was nice seeing Miller play off themselves in a way that matures the Flash we know from previous appearances.
-Marc.
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That dude is baffling.
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I enjoyed the movie. I'd say on pace with Aquaman. Not as good as WW, The Suicide Squad & Man of Steel. It was good to see Flash more introspective even with his silly questions. Was it a home run? No. But it was enjoyable.
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Superman and Lois Lane casting: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/superman-david-corenswet-rachel-brosnahan-clark-kent-lois-lane-1235656106/
I don't know the guy, but I think Brosnahan is a good choice for Lois.
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She's a great choice for Lois Lane!
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Rachel is fantastic. Loved her in Mrs. Maisel and I was lucky enough to see her on Broadway (Oscar Isaac not getting even nominated for a Tony is a crime).
Dunno the other dude.
Also it looks like The Flash is a pretty massive financial disaster. I'd say that between this and the recent Dr. Strange and Ant-Man movies, people don't like Multiverse movies, but the new Spider-Verse movie is doing great.
So I'd say people want substance. They want good character work and meaningful stories. I haven't see The Flash (waiting for streaming) but I know Strange and Ant-Man lacked both of those things and were just oceans of visual noise and nonsense.
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Aquaman 2 Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV3bqvOHRQo
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Saw Aquaman ATLK earlier today. Not awful, but it was a bit all over the place tonally, and some of the fight/action scenes looked like video game cut scenes.
If you see it in theaters, there's only a mid-credits scene and nothing after the credits.
-Marc.
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I have no interest in seeing this.
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I have no interest in seeing this.
I have less than no interest in seeing this.
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The Joker - Folie a Deux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy8aJw1vYHo
Looks interesting
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The Joker - Folie a Deux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy8aJw1vYHo
Looks interesting
Caught it last night and watched it a couple of times. Looks quite intriguing, though it'll be interesting to see if it'll break a billion like the first one. Love the cinematography in the trailer, especially that last shot with the smile, which you know will end up being used in hundreds of YouTube and entertainment article thumbnails between now and October.
-Marc.