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Title: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls
Post by: Nick on February 25, 2015, 11:47:08 AM
Old one here: http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=65.0

Honorary OP: TAC

**********DO NOT POST INFO ABOUT THE NEW ALBUM.  THERE IS A DEDICATED THREAD FOR THAT*****************
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on February 25, 2015, 11:48:50 AM
Nick, why do you keep locking active threads and starting new ones after I have repeatedly said not to do so?  This is getting really annoying.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on February 25, 2015, 11:55:00 AM
Dammit Nick!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: theseoafs on February 25, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
hav uguys ever heard of the numbor of the beast? it's pretty good
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Post by: cramx3 on February 25, 2015, 12:04:15 PM
hav uguys ever heard of the numbor of the beast? it's pretty good

Yea Dream Theater is a good band
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 25, 2015, 12:07:57 PM
Hey guys, are you in a band or something?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 25, 2015, 01:34:14 PM
Thread title grinds

:lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on February 26, 2015, 03:40:42 PM
That thread title pisses me off!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on February 26, 2015, 03:58:09 PM
You could say Nick is a devil....
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on February 26, 2015, 03:59:52 PM
That thread title pisses me off!
Yeah and the fact that I've been the OP to the Iron Maiden thread since 2008!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2015, 04:05:21 PM
You could say Nick is a devil....

And I wouldn't say no.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on February 26, 2015, 09:51:53 PM
Iron Maiden still rules!!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on February 27, 2015, 03:32:47 AM
Happy birthday, Adrian!

(http://guitarism.ru/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Adrian-Smith-Jackson.jpg)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 27, 2015, 03:49:27 AM
Happy B-Day Adrian!

(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv225/partalova/HappyBirthdayIronMaidenEddie.jpg)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2015, 04:17:24 AM
That thread title pisses me off!
Yeah and the fact that I've been the OP to the Iron Maiden thread since 2008!

Yeah, does that does suck bro.

Happy Birthday H.  One of my all time greatest influences on the guitar, amazing player.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on February 27, 2015, 04:18:44 AM
happy b-day!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2015, 04:26:20 AM
Saw an ad yesterday for a new movie called Seventh Son.  I wonder if Maiden will get on the soundtrack or anything.  Doubt it though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2015, 05:40:00 AM
Happy birthday Adrian!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on February 27, 2015, 08:13:55 AM
Good news:

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/new-iron-maiden-album-is-ready-to-go-says-drummer-nicko-mcbrain/
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on February 27, 2015, 08:20:36 AM
:metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2015, 08:36:46 AM
Wow amazing news  :metal :metal

I thought there was a good chance they had secretly recorded an album, but with the news of Bruce's cancer I thought it was possible that got scrapped or pushed back since there was never any official announcement of anything.  Well I guess it is still getting pushed back, but from the wording, it sounds like its already completed. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 27, 2015, 08:53:09 AM
Yea I was wondering, did he mean as in finished completly or to actually start recording the songs??
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on February 27, 2015, 09:31:25 AM
Yea I was wondering, did he mean as in finished completly or to actually start recording the songs??

Its vague, but "ready to go" to me means its recorded and given they had that christmas card with Eddie in the studio, that would make sense and its possible Bruce recorded the vocals before he noticed he had cancer.  BUt thats all speculation on my part. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on February 27, 2015, 09:57:32 AM
Awesome news!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on February 27, 2015, 12:54:47 PM
Honorary OP: TAC
:lol
 :metal


Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 27, 2015, 02:30:38 PM
Shitchyess new album. 

Happy Birthday H.  One of my all time greatest influences on the guitar, amazing player.

Seconded. HBH
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on February 27, 2015, 03:06:59 PM
Good news about the album.  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Counselor of Prog on February 27, 2015, 03:28:48 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on February 27, 2015, 03:33:11 PM
Good news about the album.  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on March 05, 2015, 05:27:58 AM
"Bruce has asked me to thank everyone for their tremendous support and kind wishes. He has been extremely touched and encouraged by the genuine and affectionate response from our global family of Maiden fans.

Radiology is cumulative and continues to build in the body for around three weeks after treatment, so even though Bruce’s seven week course is completed, he’s had a long period of considerable pain and discomfort. He is happily now starting to recuperate and the pain will continue to abate and the swelling to reduce for the next couple of months at which time he will be able take an MRI scan. It is not until then that we will have full confirmation that the cancer has been completely destroyed. However prognosis continues to be extremely good and everyone is optimistic for a full recovery. Following the scan, we will officially update you on our website at the appropriate time, probably in late May.

After that, it will take a few more months for Bruce to get back to full fitness. Naturally the rest of the band are totally supportive and Maiden’s plans will be determined by Bruce’s progress.
Please continue your positive thoughts. They are very much appreciated.

Thanks
Rod Smallwood"
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 05, 2015, 06:36:10 AM
This whole thing sucks.  Keep your head up Bruce, get well.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 05, 2015, 07:18:10 AM
Good to get an update. Hopefully things continue to improve.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on March 05, 2015, 08:12:29 AM
Good to get an update. Hopefully things continue to improve.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 06, 2015, 03:58:58 AM
Get well Bruce!!

In the mean time let's enjoy some great moments from Mr Airsiren himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKTRxkQnRG8

Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2015, 05:30:03 AM
Get well Bruce!!

In the mean time let's enjoy some great moments from Mr Airsiren himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKTRxkQnRG8

Love the power outage during Powerslave moment at MSG. Mostly because I was there and somewhat backstage atm, but also because of the coincidence.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on March 10, 2015, 08:40:36 AM
Just watched Rock in Rio again, and IMO it definitely is better than En Vivo. Playing is tighter, much more energy from the band, and Bruce sounds much better. The setlist is slightly better. No-brainer for me.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 09:43:03 AM
Just watched Rock in Rio again, and IMO it definitely is better than En Vivo. Playing is tighter, much more energy from the band, and Bruce sounds much better. The setlist is slightly better. No-brainer for me.

All of those are true except the editing and video/audio quality which I find to be waaayyyy better on En Vivo. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Nick on March 10, 2015, 10:41:14 AM
Just watched Rock in Rio again, and IMO it definitely is better than En Vivo. Playing is tighter, much more energy from the band, and Bruce sounds much better. The setlist is slightly better. No-brainer for me.

All of those are true except the editing and video/audio quality which I find to be waaayyyy better on En Vivo. 

Rio could be a definitive video for metal if it wasn't for the godawful editing.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 10, 2015, 02:19:43 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2015, 02:31:58 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on March 10, 2015, 02:38:59 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.

love it too!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 10, 2015, 02:59:55 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!

Yeah, I never understood people complaining so much about Rio when IMO DOTR's editing is ten times worse.  It's alright, Bruce doesn't sound that strong on this one though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 10, 2015, 03:00:57 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!

The video footage of that concert really is amazing.  Paschendale is one of the best single songs from a concert in IM's vast DVD collection.  Sadly the video is really brought down by the editing.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2015, 03:02:12 PM
I have often heard the complaint about Bruce and DOTR. But I have never had an issue. The album has so much more of a live sound.

And yes, Cram, I completely agree. Beautiful footage, from the film to the camera angles.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Nick on March 10, 2015, 03:20:48 PM
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!

Yeah, I never understood people complaining so much about Rio when IMO DOTR's editing is ten times worse.  It's alright, Bruce doesn't sound that strong on this one though.

Don't make any mistake about it, DotR is horrible from an editing perspective as well.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 10, 2015, 04:09:54 PM
I have often heard the complaint about Bruce and DOTR. But I have never had an issue. The album has so much more of a live sound.

He's not bad at all, just a little under his usual standard.  It doesn't affect my enjoyment of the concert at all.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on March 10, 2015, 04:21:36 PM
Watching DOTR for the first time.  Any complaints about the editing are deserved.  The shot changes are so quick that I am never really sure what I am seeing.  I feel like I am constantly having to fight the urge to have seizures.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2015, 04:23:10 PM
Watching DOTR for the first time.  Any complaints about the editing are deserved.  The shot changes are so quick that I am never really sure what I am seeing.  I feel like I am constantly having to fight the urge to have seizures.
It's brutal.
I can make it only through a song or two at a time. Damned shame. Such glorious footage.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 10, 2015, 07:33:28 PM
I never had a problem with the footage until it was brought to my attention. Fortunately I have the CD version to listen to.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 10, 2015, 07:58:18 PM
Rio>DOTR.  Rio's editing is slightly more palatable, and the setlist is killer.  If only Nicko's snare didn't start shitting itself St Anger-style towards the end :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on March 11, 2015, 10:30:09 AM
I never had a problem with the footage until it was brought to my attention. Fortunately I have the CD version to listen to.

Listening again today.  The audio is pretty good.

Rio>DOTR.  Rio's editing is slightly more palatable, and the setlist is killer. 

Yeah, I think I would give RIR the slight edge as well.  But En Vivo! beats them both, IMO.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on March 11, 2015, 10:58:46 AM
It is interesting to me how each area of the stage at a Maiden show has its own personality based on the members that typically occupy that area.  I know I am not saying anything that has not been observed by millions of Maiden fans, but I'll say it anyway:

Upstage center:  There are a lot of drums there.  We think there might be a drummer hiding somewhere behind them.  From the sound of it, it is very busy back there.  But he is minding his own business and appears to like it that way.

Downstage left:  Bass player and guitar player that are in constant motion.  They never stop.  Ever.  A lot of the time, they are jumping.  Must have been lots of caffeine before the show.

Downstage right:  Two guitar players.  One smiles.  One does not.  They are all business.

Everywhere else:  Bruce is there, seemingly all at once.  He is the front man.  Let there be no mistake about it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 11, 2015, 11:31:44 AM
I think Bruce might be the best front man ever. Who else runs all over the stage, jumps and climbs up things, swings around, all while still singing?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on March 11, 2015, 12:03:37 PM
I think Bruce might be the best front man ever. Who else runs all over the stage, jumps and climbs up things, swings around, all while still singing?

"Might?" The only other contender has been dead for over twenty years now! :lol

But I do agree: Bruce is one of those frontmen who really does feel like they're actually larger than life. He owns that stage, man. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 11, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
Yup, there is no frontman like Mr. Dickinson.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 11, 2015, 09:27:45 PM
I think Bruce might be the best front man ever. Who else runs all over the stage, jumps and climbs up things, swings around, all while still singing?

He definitely is.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on March 11, 2015, 09:58:56 PM
Yep Bruce is by far the best at his craft. Only rivaled by Freddie Mercury for me.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: PowerSlave on March 11, 2015, 11:49:09 PM
I've been fortunate enough to see many of the greats in action live over the years. Bruce is the man.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on March 12, 2015, 01:02:18 AM
His energy is amazing
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on March 12, 2015, 06:32:29 AM
Yep Bruce is by far the best at his craft. Only rivaled by Freddie Mercury for me.

Yup, Mercury was who I was referring to in my previous post.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on March 12, 2015, 06:35:07 AM
Happy birthday, Steve Harris! :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2015, 06:38:17 AM
Happy birthday, Steve Harris! :metal

Nice!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on March 12, 2015, 09:58:23 AM
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2015, 10:15:42 AM
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.
Yes, it's incredible.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2015, 10:46:38 AM
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.
Yes, it's incredible.

 :tup very well done and just an awesome story
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on March 12, 2015, 12:59:03 PM
Happy birthday, Steve Harris! :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 12, 2015, 01:02:46 PM
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.
Saw that at the cinema, such a cool thing hearing people applaud and cheering along during the songs. The production quality is top notch and a treat for any fan of the band.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on March 20, 2015, 08:27:27 PM
I was just listening to A Matter of Life and Death again.   Just an amazing album.   I'm always so floored when a band releases some of their best material over 30 years into their career.   

I'm not sure if anyone will understand what I'm trying to say when I say...  Brave New World sounded like the guys got together and said "Let's write an Iron Maiden album", but A Matter of Life and Death sounds like the guys got together and said, "WE ARE Iron Maiden...now let's write an album."   

Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on March 21, 2015, 01:01:26 PM
So I'm not sure whether to do this in this thread or in the polls/survivors, but I came up with an idea for sort of a Classic Maiden vs. Reunion Era showdown. I picked 25 songs from each era, using both the most popular/most obvious ones and also ones that seemed to be favorites on this board. (Caveat: had to put the '90s songs in with the 2000s) In doing this I had to leave out some personal faves (and maybe some of yours?). Anyway, the next step was to come up with pairings. There was no easy method for this and it just came down to process of elimination at the end. Here is what I came up with, with my personal winners in bold.

Is anyone on board with this? Or should I move it to the other subforum? The plan is to make a new bracket after a week or 2 using the survivors from this round, plus a dark horse (The Prisoner or The Alchemist for example) added in to keep it at a round number, and keeping the eras against each other. Just really curious to see which era wins each round. Of course if one era makes a clean sweep or close to it than I guess I wasted my time  :lol.

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home (my hardest decision believe it or not)
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 21, 2015, 02:46:27 PM

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on March 21, 2015, 03:16:59 PM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy

Yeah, I prefer the "classic" Maiden era :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Jaq on March 21, 2015, 03:28:34 PM
I love modern Maiden, but there's too many classics from their 80s stuff for me to do that and it not wind up a first rate beatdown for the classics.  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 21, 2015, 04:11:27 PM
Haven't listened to much Iron Maiden in a long time, but I'll try this just based off of which one I have a more positive impression of at this moment.

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs The Wicker Man
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs The Legacy

14-11... Pretty close, but the classics did better than I thought they would.

A lot of these were extremely close matches for me. I love For The Greater Good of God, but I couldn't pull the trigger against Hallowed Be Thy Name. I could just barely pull the trigger against Rime and Seventh Son for When the Wild Wind Blows and The Legacy respectively. But honestly that's a collection of 6 tracks that probably all belong in my top ten.

This has me thinking... Maiden was the first band I really got into, but I never made a top songs list for them. Maybe I'll do a discography run and see about doing that.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 21, 2015, 04:46:10 PM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind - this probably just comes down to NOTB being overplayed, it's probably a stronger song.
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day - ditto.
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross - fucking tough choice, but Revelations has my favourite H moments (solo and riff after <3 )
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying - average Maiden vs well-underrated Maiden.
11. The Trooper vs The Wicker Man
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows - no contest
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman - another tough one, I really like Journeyman (perhaps this would be better off paired against Prodigal Son?)
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs The Legacy
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Post by: Mladen on March 22, 2015, 03:34:04 AM
Ooh, this will be fun.

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
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Post by: Scorpion on March 22, 2015, 04:42:53 AM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy

13-12 in favour of the Classic Era. That sounds about right  - I love both eras for different reasons, but about equally.
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Post by: wolfking on March 22, 2015, 04:45:16 AM
I'm in;

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Sonvs Legacy

Some really good matchups in there, well done.
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Post by: Plasmastrike on March 22, 2015, 08:30:18 AM
I never understood head to head song matchups. How about ranking the songs and seeing if classic or reunion has most albums at the top?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Nick on March 22, 2015, 08:39:34 AM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
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Post by: jjrock88 on March 22, 2015, 09:20:54 AM
I pick the 80s song for every matchup
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Post by: Zydar on March 22, 2015, 09:23:01 AM
:tup

By the way, today in 1982 a certain album called 'The Number Of The Beast' was released!
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Post by: TAC on March 22, 2015, 09:25:13 AM
:tup

By the way, today in 1982 a certain album called 'The Number Of The Beast' was released!

Awesome! I heard it was pretty good.
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Post by: jjrock88 on March 22, 2015, 10:20:40 AM
:tup

By the way, today in 1982 a certain album called 'The Number Of The Beast' was released!

I'll check it out
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Post by: The King in Crimson on March 22, 2015, 02:39:56 PM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale (this matchup is not fair :p)
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
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Post by: Scorpion on March 22, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.
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Post by: PowerSlave on March 22, 2015, 05:40:27 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.

I think it's well done, and it's a step out of their normal comfort zone. One of the reasons that I like Dance of Death (the album) so much is that they do this quite frequently on that album as well. Many of the songs aren't "cliche'" maiden songs, and they do a very good job with them. It's nice to see a band change it up from time to time.
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Post by: TAC on March 22, 2015, 05:51:30 PM
Musically, it's not very strong, but I love the lyrics to Wasted Years.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 22, 2015, 06:08:46 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.

I think it's well done, and it's a step out of their normal comfort zone. One of the reasons that I like Dance of Death (the album) so much is that they do this quite frequently on that album as well. Many of the songs aren't "cliche'" maiden songs, and they do a very good job with them. It's nice to see a band change it up from time to time.

I'm all for changing up formulas, but I just think the result is painfully lacking on Wasted Years. Most of Dance of Death does it far better.
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Post by: Mister Gold on March 22, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqlpyaMrr51qkmpj8o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 22, 2015, 07:04:10 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.

I think it's well done, and it's a step out of their normal comfort zone. One of the reasons that I like Dance of Death (the album) so much is that they do this quite frequently on that album as well. Many of the songs aren't "cliche'" maiden songs, and they do a very good job with them. It's nice to see a band change it up from time to time.

I'm all for changing up formulas, but I just think the result is painfully lacking on Wasted Years. Most of Dance of Death does it far better.

Wasted Years is awesome, and I'd agree that it works well as a departure from standard Maiden.  Plus it's got one of H's greatest solos.  I put this and Stranger in a Strange Land in the same basket; both out of the box Maiden songs that show that the band can write catchy, radio-friendly hooks if they so desire.  I reckon a lot of it depends on how much you value Adrian's contributions to Maiden - I happen to think he's their strongest songwriter when he gets going.

I love the lyrics to Wasted Years.

Wasted Years was THE singalong moment of the concert I saw them at.  Just so epic and nostalgic.  It takes me back to my younger years, chilling in my older brother's room on a warm sunny day playing hooky and thrashing Maiden. <3
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Post by: Counselor of Prog on March 22, 2015, 07:37:29 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.

You spelled "incredible" wrong.

Wasted Years rules.  That is all.  :metal
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Post by: jammindude on March 22, 2015, 08:02:49 PM
I will never get why people love, or even like, Wasted Years. It has a cool intro riff and the rest of the song is just so painfully mediocre.

I'll never get why people love, or even like, the entire Somewhere in Time album.    Wasted Years is one of the not so bad moments.  My personal favorite is Sea of Madness.   Stranger in a Strange Land is decent.   Heaven Can Wait is better live than on the album. 

After the first 5 albums of nearly top to bottom perfection, SiT just seemed very 'meh'...
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Post by: 425 on March 22, 2015, 08:06:54 PM
Wasted Years is awesome, and I'd agree that it works well as a departure from standard Maiden.  Plus it's got one of H's greatest solos.  I put this and Stranger in a Strange Land in the same basket; both out of the box Maiden songs that show that the band can write catchy, radio-friendly hooks if they so desire.  I reckon a lot of it depends on how much you value Adrian's contributions to Maiden - I happen to think he's their strongest songwriter when he gets going.

Agree 100%. Honestly, this is true of a lot of Somewhere In Time. It's a very Adrian-heavy album, which I love, and it's a definite modification of the Maiden formula that had been used on the last three albums at least. Caught Somewhere In Time, Wasted Years and Stranger In a Strange Land are not songs you would have found on Powerslave. It's a shame they've always neglected this album so much live. Nowadays they only play Wasted Years and Heaven Can Wait. Would love for them to bring out Stranger In a Strange Land or Alexander the Great.

I'll never get why people love, or even like, the entire Somewhere in Time album.    Wasted Years is one of the not so bad moments.  My personal favorite is Sea of Madness.   Stranger in a Strange Land is decent.   Heaven Can Wait is better live than on the album. 

After the first 5 albums of nearly top to bottom perfection, SiT just seemed very 'meh'...

I'll grant that Deja Vu and even The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner are fairly unremarkable songs. But the other six tracks are stellar, in my opinion.

And I have to say... Powerslave is praised up and down, but it has four very mediocre songs right in the middle. Yes Aces High, 2 Minutes to Midnight, the title track and Rime of the Ancient Mariner are all classics, but there's a lot of... well, meh on that album.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 22, 2015, 09:46:29 PM
I'll never get why people love, or even like, the entire Somewhere in Time album.    Wasted Years is one of the not so bad moments.  My personal favorite is Sea of Madness.   Stranger in a Strange Land is decent.   Heaven Can Wait is better live than on the album. 

After the first 5 albums of nearly top to bottom perfection, SiT just seemed very 'meh'...

I'll grant that Deja Vu and even The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner are fairly unremarkable songs. But the other six tracks are stellar, in my opinion.

And I have to say... Powerslave is praised up and down, but it has four very mediocre songs right in the middle. Yes Aces High, 2 Minutes to Midnight, the title track and Rime of the Ancient Mariner are all classics, but there's a lot of... well, meh on that album.

SIT > Powerslave.  Not by much though.  Like, I really rate Losfer Words and Flash of the Blade, but not more than Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner or Deja Vu.  Well, Deja Vu is kinda crap.  SIT is definitely stronger all round though, and Alexander the Great is far better structured than Rime - which is basically only an epic thanks to the 4 minutes of volume swirls in the middle. 

EDIT:  I get the feeling that Powerslave is more liked by folk who have a soft spot for Power Metal whereas SIT probably appeals more to the Progressive, maybe even progressive pop sorta crowd.  Songs like Flash of the Blade and The Duellists kinda fit in with my idea of what Power Metal is, along with songs like Quest for Fire and Sun and Steel.  But that might just be my subliminal idea that Power Metal is basically sub-par cheese fests, I dunno.  :lol
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Post by: jammindude on March 22, 2015, 09:55:16 PM
Never got the hate for the middle portion of PS.   Losfer Words is my favorite IM instrumental (ya...I said it).   And FotB is one of the coolest IM riffs there is. 

And don't get me started on Back in the Villiage.  What a scorcher!   Better than anything on SiT
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Post by: Nick on March 22, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
While I would say that the middle of Powerslave is far too overlooked, and that it is an excellent album because it is 4 strong tracks bookended by 4 amazing tracks, if you think BitV is better than anything from SiT... I just don't know what to say.
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Post by: jammindude on March 22, 2015, 10:06:56 PM
Maybe I'm biased because it's another "Prisoner" song.   But I think that riff really shreds loops around many other IM songs.
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Post by: wolfking on March 23, 2015, 05:35:16 AM
The middle four songs of PS are obviously a little weaker, but really, not much.  Those four songs show so much depth and some of the most intricate and layered instrumental sections the band have ever produced.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: theseoafs on March 23, 2015, 11:11:03 AM
1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 11:54:24 AM
The middle four songs of PS are obviously a little weaker, but really, not much.  Those four songs show so much depth and some of the most intricate and layered instrumental sections the band have ever produced.
Agreed. The instrumental part of The Duelists is my favorite part of the album.

When Powerslave came out, I did not care for it. In fact, I probably would've skipped the tour had Accept not opened. I just felt that while the band was growing with each album, I didn't feel Powerslave continued that path.
I loved Somewhere In Time when it came out because it sounded so fresh, where I thought Powerslave sounded contrived and stale.

And while Caught Somewhere In Time is still a Top 5 Maiden track for me, the album hasn't aged all that well, whereas I feel Powerslave has aged better. Go figure.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 11:59:01 AM
SiT is probably my second favorite album behind A Matter of Life and Death. 

Wasted Years, Loneliness, and Deja Vu are great songs IMO.
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Post by: kirksnosehair on March 23, 2015, 12:16:26 PM
SiT is probably my second favorite album behind A Matter of Life and Death. 

Wasted Years, Loneliness, and Deja Vu are great songs IMO.


When "Somewhere In Time" was released I was not a fan of Iron Maiden's new sound which was relying more and more heavily on synths.   But for some reason when "7th Son" came out, I loved it despite the synths and then I went back to SiT and it hit me like a 2 ton heavy thing.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 12:21:01 PM
That's interesting, Kirk. When you think about it, Seventh Son is really a marriage of the Powerslave and Somewhere In Time styles.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 01:00:18 PM
Apparently a lot of the IM fans at the time of release of SiT were not big fans but were able to go back and realize how awesome it is.  I think like Kirk said, the synths threw a lot of fans off.  People like myself who didn't become fans until after reunion, see the album from a different view (maybe because synths in metal is common?).  Sadly, it seems like the members of IM think lowly on the album themselves. 
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 01:15:50 PM
It's still my favorite tour from them.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 01:47:44 PM
It's still my favorite tour from them.

I wish there was a professional recording from that tour.  Ive seen the Paris boot so I got the idea of how the show looked and all, but that tour really deserved a proper video.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 02:21:07 PM
It's still my favorite tour from them.

I wish there was a professional recording from that tour.  Ive seen the Paris boot so I got the idea of how the show looked and all, but that tour really deserved a proper video.
Have you seen the bootleg from Troy NY? I think I've had the boot since 1988 and it's still one of my all time favorite boots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzDfYZK1nSM

The Sheffield '86 one is pretty good too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBADdLUvidA
Bruce sounds terrible!
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Post by: Cool Chris on March 23, 2015, 02:33:56 PM
People like myself who didn't become fans until after reunion, see the album from a different view (maybe because synths in metal is common?). 

I became a fan post-reunion and SiT and SSoaSS are toward the bottom of my rankings, and 2 of their albums (along with FotD) that I never listen to (the only one I do not have is NPftD).
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 02:48:20 PM
You're missing out on some good stuff there, Chris. Lots of great songs on FOTD.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 02:59:40 PM
and thats where I disagree... FotD and NPftD are two of their worst albums, sure a few good songs, but not good albums.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 03:02:23 PM
No Prayer is definitely one of their worst, but Fear Of The Dark is to me, 8 songs deep. It was the first album they made in the CD age, and is about 3 songs way too long. Now in its totality, Fear is definitely near the bottom, so I think we are in agreement somewhat.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 23, 2015, 03:36:42 PM
The only worthwhile songs on Fear are Afraid to Shoot Strangers and Judas Be My Guide, imho. The title track is extremely boring in the studio version, and the rest is just awful. I'd take No Prayer over it any day of the week. The title track on that one is better than the entirety of Fear already.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 03:46:52 PM
I remember when No Prayer came out and it was clear right away that it was their weakest album. But when Fear came out I was so happy that Maiden was rocking again. Yeah some definite filler but lots of great tunes.
And while the title track is so freaking amazing live, and we've had 23 years worth of live versions, I vividly remember rolling down my windows and cranking the motherfucker out.

One major issue that Fear has is that it is easily Bruce's worst performance on a Maiden album.
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Post by: Jaq on March 23, 2015, 03:49:27 PM
I loved Somewhere In Time on release, but it was the first album by Maiden that people kind of went "huh" towards, and at the time, Seventh Son was a massive disappointment for a lot of people. Which sounds unbelievable given that a lot of people love it massively today, but back then it just didn't work well with Maiden's US fanbase at least. It grew on me over the years, but I still prefer SiT to it.

No Prayer is the worse Dickinson album and Fear of the Dark is about four songs too long.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 03:57:27 PM
No Prayer is the worse Dickinson album and Fear of the Dark is about four songs too long.
Agreed.

and at the time, Seventh Son was a massive disappointment for a lot of people. Which sounds unbelievable given that a lot of people love it massively today, but back then it just didn't work well with Maiden's US fanbase at least.
The people I knew loved it, but its issue, to me, was that Can I Play With Madness sucks, and it made a horrible single. Not sure any non Maiden fan could relate to it, and for Maiden fans, it was way to heavy on the keyboards, especially in the chorus. Thankfully the rest of the album kicked ass. I think if they had released The Evil That Men Do first, it would've had more of a chance.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
I actually loved Can I Play With Madness when I first started getting into IM, likely cause it was a single so it was a song I had come across that sparked my interest... but yea now that I am knowledgable in their entire catalogue, its not a good song in comparison and I wish theyd stop playing it live.
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Post by: Nick on March 23, 2015, 04:15:15 PM
I can say without a doubt that No Prayer is the worst Bruce album. I honestly don't even know what other album would even come into the discussion.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 04:16:26 PM
I can say without a doubt that No Prayer is the worst Bruce album. I honestly don't even know what other album would even come into the discussion.

Id only rate V11 as a worse IM album but that doesnt have Bruce and Im not even sure it is a worse album.  The good songs on that album are better than the good songs on NPftD.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 23, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
I can say without a doubt that No Prayer is the worst Bruce album. I honestly don't even know what other album would even come into the discussion.

If you had been reading the thread, you would know that Fear of the Dark comes into the discussion. :P
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 04:18:24 PM
I can say without a doubt that No Prayer is the worst Bruce album. I honestly don't even know what other album would even come into the discussion.

Id only rate V11 as a worse IM album but that doesnt have Bruce and Im not even sure it is a worse album. The good songs on that album are better than the good songs on NPftD.
Bolded for truth.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 23, 2015, 04:24:43 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 23, 2015, 04:26:24 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
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Post by: Nick on March 23, 2015, 04:30:36 PM
The standout songs on No Prayer do so due to them swimming in a stew of utter mediocrity. They are a decade old twinkie when you've been homeless and eating garbage for years. On any other album they'd be middle of the road tracks.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 04:40:27 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
Run Silent Run Deep has an awesome chorus and solo section, but the verse is pretty bad. But overall, I am a fan of the song and it makes my No Prayer Of The Dark mashup.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 05:09:39 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
Run Silent Run Deep has an awesome chorus and solo section, but the verse is pretty bad. But overall, I am a fan of the song and it makes my No Prayer Of The Dark mashup.

It'd make mine too, for the solo section whcih I enjoy.  The title track is my favorite from the album though and really the only song that I think would still stand out on another IM album.
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Post by: 425 on March 23, 2015, 05:36:11 PM
See, to me, Fear of the Dark is definitely the weakest Maiden album. It's not even close. It has about five songs I would ever even consider going out of my way to listen to (title track, Afraid to Shoot Strangers, Wasting Love, Judas Be My Guide, maybe Be Quick or Be Dead), and the rest is quite mediocre. Chains of Misery, The Apparition and Weekend Warrior are clearly Maiden's three worst songs. The album has some pretty strong standouts, but as an actual album-length listening experience, it's just not very good.

No Prayer for the Dying isn't great, and is probably my second-least-favorite Maiden album, but it's miles ahead of Fear. The first two songs are duds, but the title song through Run Silent Run Deep is actually a pretty good run. Hooks In You and Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter are pretty weird and mediocre, but the album finishes strong with Mother Russia. Fear's best songs are the best songs from either album, but it is not that good of a listening experience as an album start-to-finish, while No Prayer is pretty decent in that regard.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 05:43:11 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
Run Silent Run Deep has an awesome chorus and solo section, but the verse is pretty bad. But overall, I am a fan of the song and it makes my No Prayer Of The Dark mashup.

It'd make mine too, for the solo section whcih I enjoy.  The title track is my favorite from the album though and really the only song that I think would still stand out on another IM album.
Agreed. It's a Top 15 Maiden track from me. I recorded the show in Providence on that tour, and Bruce has a great intro to it. He remarks that he is 32 years old, hopes he comes back when he's 42.
I would also like to say that this tour was AWESOME! So much energy coming from the band as Janick really pulled Dave out of his shell.
Plus the simple stage with a backline of endless Marshalls was very cool.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 05:45:40 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
Run Silent Run Deep has an awesome chorus and solo section, but the verse is pretty bad. But overall, I am a fan of the song and it makes my No Prayer Of The Dark mashup.

It'd make mine too, for the solo section whcih I enjoy.  The title track is my favorite from the album though and really the only song that I think would still stand out on another IM album.
Agreed. It's a Top 15 Maiden track from me. I recorded the show in Providence on that tour, and Bruce has a great intro to it. He remarks that he is 32 years old, hopes he comes back when he's 42.
I would also like to say that this tour was AWESOME! So much energy coming from the band as Janick really pulled Dave out of his shell.
Plus the simple stage with a backline of endless Marshalls was very cool.

Thats awesome, and Ive seen boots from this tour too and noticed it had the simple stage and more of a raw feel to it, which I guess is what they aimed for with the album as well, just didn't churn out good songs IMO.
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Post by: LudwigVan on March 23, 2015, 05:45:50 PM
No Prayer is the worse Dickinson album and Fear of the Dark is about four songs too long.
Agreed.

and at the time, Seventh Son was a massive disappointment for a lot of people. Which sounds unbelievable given that a lot of people love it massively today, but back then it just didn't work well with Maiden's US fanbase at least.
The people I knew loved it, but its issue, to me, was that Can I Play With Madness sucks, and it made a horrible single. Not sure any non Maiden fan could relate to it, and for Maiden fans, it was way to heavy on the keyboards, especially in the chorus. Thankfully the rest of the album kicked ass. I think if they had released The Evil That Men Do first, it would've had more of a chance.

Huh. I love Can I Play With Madness.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 05:46:48 PM
Chains of Misery, The Apparition and Weekend Warrior are clearly Maiden's three worst songs.
Well, at least on this album. I actually like Chains Of Misery as it would make a decent B Side, but it's definitely not worthy of making the album.
I know a lot of people don't care for it, but I love Fear Is The Key. Has a great solo part, and Bruce does a wicked Ian Gillan.
And Childhood's End is awesome!

No Prayer is the worse Dickinson album and Fear of the Dark is about four songs too long.
Agreed.

and at the time, Seventh Son was a massive disappointment for a lot of people. Which sounds unbelievable given that a lot of people love it massively today, but back then it just didn't work well with Maiden's US fanbase at least.
The people I knew loved it, but its issue, to me, was that Can I Play With Madness sucks, and it made a horrible single. Not sure any non Maiden fan could relate to it, and for Maiden fans, it was way to heavy on the keyboards, especially in the chorus. Thankfully the rest of the album kicked ass. I think if they had released The Evil That Men Do first, it would've had more of a chance.

Huh. I love Can I Play With Madness.
You would! ;D
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 05:51:03 PM
Cram, going back to the '91 tour, the setlist was cool too.
After opening with Tailgunner and Public Enema #1 (which is a great song with a horrid title) they went full bore into:
Wrathchild
Die With Your Boots On
Hallowed Be Thy Name
22 Acacia Avenue

So 40 minutes into the set and it was like getting hit with a ton of bricks!
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Post by: jammindude on March 23, 2015, 05:54:41 PM
See, to me, Fear of the Dark is definitely the weakest Maiden album. It's not even close. It has about five songs I would ever even consider going out of my way to listen to (title track, Afraid to Shoot Strangers, Wasting Love, Judas Be My Guide, maybe Be Quick or Be Dead), and the rest is quite mediocre. Chains of Misery, The Apparition and Weekend Warrior are clearly Maiden's three worst songs. The album has some pretty strong standouts, but as an actual album-length listening experience, it's just not very good.

No Prayer for the Dying isn't great, and is probably my second-least-favorite Maiden album, but it's miles ahead of Fear. The first two songs are duds, but the title song through Run Silent Run Deep is actually a pretty good run. Hooks In You and Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter are pretty weird and mediocre, but the album finishes strong with Mother Russia. Fear's best songs are the best songs from either album, but it is not that good of a listening experience as an album start-to-finish, while No Prayer is pretty decent in that regard.

The Angel and the Gambler, Lightning Strikes Twice and When Two Worlds Collide would like to have a word with you. 

Virtual XI is *BY FAR* IM's worst album.    No Prayer is the worst Bruce album.   I can't believe people debate it.   Afraid and the title track alone completely blow away every single track from No Prayer.      Fear is not IM's best work, and it is near the bottom, but it was a step up from No Prayer....that album is just horrible.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 05:59:02 PM
J Dude, half of VXI is awesome though.
Futureal, The Clansman, The Educated Fool, and Don't Look To The Eyes Of A Stranger.
And while the "Don't look to..." part is about 16 bars too long, that wicked instrumental section at the end more than makes up for it.

If there was one Blaze era track that I'd like to see them pull out, it'd be The Educated Fool.

Edit: and I'm not trying to make VXI sound better than it is. It and No Prayer are still the two worst Maiden albums.
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Post by: Scorpion on March 23, 2015, 06:02:47 PM
See, to me, Fear of the Dark is definitely the weakest Maiden album. It's not even close. It has about five songs I would ever even consider going out of my way to listen to (title track, Afraid to Shoot Strangers, Wasting Love, Judas Be My Guide, maybe Be Quick or Be Dead), and the rest is quite mediocre. Chains of Misery, The Apparition and Weekend Warrior are clearly Maiden's three worst songs. The album has some pretty strong standouts, but as an actual album-length listening experience, it's just not very good.

No Prayer for the Dying isn't great, and is probably my second-least-favorite Maiden album, but it's miles ahead of Fear. The first two songs are duds, but the title song through Run Silent Run Deep is actually a pretty good run. Hooks In You and Bring Your Daughter... to the Slaughter are pretty weird and mediocre, but the album finishes strong with Mother Russia. Fear's best songs are the best songs from either album, but it is not that good of a listening experience as an album start-to-finish, while No Prayer is pretty decent in that regard.

The Angel and the Gambler, Lightning Strikes Twice and When Two Worlds Collide would like to have a word with you. 

Virtual XI is *BY FAR* IM's worst album.    No Prayer is the worst Bruce album.   I can't believe people debate it.   Afraid and the title track alone completely blow away every single track from No Prayer.      Fear is not IM's best work, and it is near the bottom, but it was a step up from No Prayer....that album is just horrible.

I can. It's called having an opinion. Geez.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 06:07:52 PM
J Dude, half of VXI is awesome though.
Futureal, The Clansman, The Educated Fool, and Don't Look To The Eyes Of A Stranger.
And while the "Don't look to..." part is about 16 bars too long, that wicked instrumental section at the end more than makes up for it.

If there was one Blaze era track that I'd like to see them pull out, it'd be The Educated Fool.

Edit: and I'm not trying to make VXI sound better than it is. It and No Prayer are still the two worst Maiden albums.

Wow, you and are have such similar opinions here.  Educated Fool would be the best Bruce song if they ever were to pull another one out (which I doubt).

Cram, going back to the '91 tour, the setlist was cool too.
After opening with Tailgunner and Public Enema #1 (which is a great song with a horrid title) they went full bore into:
Wrathchild
Die With Your Boots On
Hallowed Be Thy Name
22 Acacia Avenue

So 40 minutes into the set and it was like getting hit with a ton of bricks!

Yea I liked how that tour they through Hallowed in the beginning of the set, shake it up a bit although I think thats a better closer.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 06:11:53 PM
Educated Fool would be the best Bruce song if they ever were to pull another one out (which I doubt).

Absolutely. Bruce could take that chorus to places that Blaze could only dream of.
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Post by: 425 on March 23, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
The Angel and the Gambler, Lightning Strikes Twice and When Two Worlds Collide would like to have a word with you. 

Virtual XI is *BY FAR* IM's worst album.

Virtual XI is a solid album front to back. It exceeds both Fear and No Prayer. I don't know what else it would beat off the top of my head but I think it might put up a solid challenge to both Di'Anno albums. TAATG is the weakest song on the disc, but I would rather listen to it than half of Fear of the Dark. Same with WTWC and LST.


No Prayer is the worst Bruce album.   I can't believe people debate it.   Afraid and the title track alone completely blow away every single track from No Prayer.   Fear is not IM's best work, and it is near the bottom, but it was a step up from No Prayer....that album is just horrible.

Ah, if only FOTD was just those two songs and NPFTD was just its two best songs. Then FOTD would win. However, as an album, FOTD is way more mediocre, with just those two highlights, while NPFTD has numerous highlights throughout the album that make it a better listening experience as a whole.


J Dude, half of VXI is awesome though.
Futureal, The Clansman, The Educated Fool, and Don't Look To The Eyes Of A Stranger.
And while the "Don't look to..." part is about 16 bars too long, that wicked instrumental section at the end more than makes up for it.

If there was one Blaze era track that I'd like to see them pull out, it'd be The Educated Fool.

Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger is actually really cool musically. It's just too repetitive lyrically and vocally. VXI's main problem, in my opinion, is production. That and the fact that Blaze, god bless the guy, was pushed a little too far out of his element on this album. He's really good on The X Factor, though.
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Post by: TAC on March 23, 2015, 06:30:58 PM
VXI's main problem, in my opinion, is production. That and the fact that Blaze, god bless the guy, was pushed a little too far out of his element on this album. He's really good on The X Factor, though.
He's great on TXF.

But I liken VXI to FOTD in that they each follow quite different style of Maiden albums, and both go for the more comfortable Maiden stylings. That, in the end, did not suit Blaze.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 06:56:51 PM
V11's biggest problems are the production and TAATG, that song alone ruins the album in many ways for me although it came on random the other day and I thought it sounded better than I remembered it although it still sucked.
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Post by: 425 on March 23, 2015, 07:04:12 PM
In my opinion TAATG is a really cool song with a good vibe... that should be quite a bit shorter. The number of chorus repetitions hurts it quite a bit. As a 5 or 6 minute song it would be very good.


But I liken VXI to FOTD in that they each follow quite different style of Maiden albums, and both go for the more comfortable Maiden stylings. That, in the end, did not suit Blaze.

That's true, though I would add that Virtual XI provides much of the prototype for the more progressive style of songwriting that reached a greater expression on the four reunion albums. A lot of what Brave New World sounds like the VXI songwriting style refined and focused with a better production and the addition of Adrian and Bruce both as performers and songwriters. I don't think BNW would have happened the same way if not for VXI (not to mention the fact that several BNW songs were actually written in 1998 and considered for VXI, if memory serves: The Nomad, The Mercenary and maybe another one, speculated to be Blood Brothers?).
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Post by: jammindude on March 23, 2015, 07:06:23 PM
Sometimes, I actually really find myself liking Don't Look To the Eyes of a Stranger....in the same way that I enjoy a light drip of water falling on my forehead.   But the end result of both is exactly the same.   
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Post by: 425 on March 23, 2015, 07:11:10 PM
if memory serves: The Nomad, The Mercenary and maybe another one, speculated to be Blood Brothers?

Wait! Dream of Mirrors was one of them! Rumor even has it that Blaze wrote some of the lyrics to that song but that Steve bought out his portion of the songwriting credit due to a band policy of not crediting former members.
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Post by: Zook on March 23, 2015, 09:39:28 PM
My "No Fear of the Dying" tracklist:

1. Tailgunner
2. Be Quick or Be Dead
3. From Here to Eternity
4. Fates Warning
5. Holy Smoke
6. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
7. Fear is the Key
8. Judas Be My Guide
9. Run Silent Run Deep
10. Wasting Love
11. Bring Your Daughter...To the Slaughter
12. Fear of the Dark

Flows pretty well I think.

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Post by: jammindude on March 23, 2015, 09:50:57 PM
if memory serves: The Nomad, The Mercenary and maybe another one, speculated to be Blood Brothers?

Wait! Dream of Mirrors was one of them! Rumor even has it that Blaze wrote some of the lyrics to that song but that Steve bought out his portion of the songwriting credit due to a band policy of not crediting former members.

Not true.   Adrian Smith co-wrote Hooks in You for No Prayer...for which he was a "former member".
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 24, 2015, 01:11:21 AM
In my opinion TAATG is a really cool song with a good vibe... that should be quite a bit shorter. The number of chorus repetitions hurts it quite a bit. As a 5 or 6 minute song it would be very good.

Agreed, and I think that's why I enjoy the single edit of the song.  It totally cuts out the quieter part. 

If they had put the single edit on the album, then I wouldn't have too much of an issue with it on the whole.  I would cut Two Worlds.  Also DLttEoaS is pretty rank.  The X Factor b-sides are far better than those two.

1. Futureal
2. Angel and the Gambler (single edit)
3. Lightning Strikes Twice
4. The Clansman
5. The Educated Fool
6. Como Estais Amigos
7. Judgement Day
8. Justice of the Peace

Should've just done that, Steve...
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Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2015, 05:41:15 AM
I agree, the edit is pretty excellent.  That's really the only spot on VXI that doesn't do it for me.  I enjoy everything else.

Love seeing Justice of the Peace and Judgement Day mentioned there sneaky, so damn good.  The other X Factor bonus track I Live My Way is decent too.
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Post by: 425 on March 24, 2015, 09:10:35 AM
if memory serves: The Nomad, The Mercenary and maybe another one, speculated to be Blood Brothers?

Wait! Dream of Mirrors was one of them! Rumor even has it that Blaze wrote some of the lyrics to that song but that Steve bought out his portion of the songwriting credit due to a band policy of not crediting former members.

Not true.   Adrian Smith co-wrote Hooks in You for No Prayer...for which he was a "former member".

Hmm, yeah, that is an interesting exception. However, Steve has historically enforced this policy. It's pretty well known, for example, that Strange World was at least partially written by a former member.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 24, 2015, 09:11:04 AM
Cram, going back to the '91 tour, the setlist was cool too.
After opening with Tailgunner and Public Enema #1 (which is a great song with a horrid title) they went full bore into:
Wrathchild
Die With Your Boots On
Hallowed Be Thy Name
22 Acacia Avenue

Okay...so when does the "cool" part of the set start?
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Post by: 425 on March 24, 2015, 09:28:38 AM
Wait! Dream of Mirrors was one of them! Rumor even has it that Blaze wrote some of the lyrics to that song but that Steve bought out his portion of the songwriting credit due to a band policy of not crediting former members.

Here's (http://bravewords.com/news/blaze-bayley-talks-maiden-festival-with-all-three-singers-and-uncredited-iron-maiden-songs-in-new-interview) a link on this, by the way. The relevant part begins shortly after the 7 minute mark in the video. Blaze outright says he helped write Dream of Mirrors, and mentions Blood Brothers among two other songs that were left over from VXI and used on BNW. So assuming he didn't make that up based on that comment from Adrian, that's true. And if you watch the whole video, Blaze remains very grateful and positive towards Maiden, so I don't think he made it up.
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Post by: Zantera on March 24, 2015, 09:35:37 AM
When I first got into Maiden, I thought The Clansman was one of their best songs, and I would still put it in their top10 probably. Same with Sign of the Cross, another Blaze song. Both Rock in Rio versions are awesome. As much as the Blaze era gets a lot of crap, I think the two Blaze albums are at least on par with, and if not even better than No Prayer and Fear of the Dark. Those albums also had that "B-Side"-feeling, and despite a very few select songs (like the title track on FotD), there wasn't much to get excited about.

Maiden had a pretty weak 90's, but that makes their return to form in the 00's even more remarkable. Maiden's 90's isn't really all that different from what a lot of other bands go through, whether it's Metallica, AC/DC, Judas Priest or Deep Purple (just a few long running bands), and Maiden did something that not a lot of bands can do, they returned to form and have been very consistent since Brave New World. Dance of Death is one of those albums that I probably like more than the majority, maybe even more than BNW. AMOLAD is up there in discussions for the best Maiden album IMO, and while I thought The Final Frontier sounded a bit tired in some places, there were still some amazing songs to make up for it. I thought the first half of the album was lackluster, but everything from Isle of Avalon and forwards was pretty strong.
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Post by: cramx3 on March 24, 2015, 10:11:56 AM
When I first got into Maiden, I thought The Clansman was one of their best songs, and I would still put it in their top10 probably. Same with Sign of the Cross, another Blaze song. Both Rock in Rio versions are awesome. As much as the Blaze era gets a lot of crap, I think the two Blaze albums are at least on par with, and if not even better than No Prayer and Fear of the Dark. Those albums also had that "B-Side"-feeling, and despite a very few select songs (like the title track on FotD), there wasn't much to get excited about.

I could argue that XF and V11 are closer on par with the reunion albums in terms of song writing than with the two previous albums.  Production and vocals are what makes XF and V11 closer to the two previous albums.
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Post by: TAC on March 24, 2015, 10:19:30 AM
Cram, going back to the '91 tour, the setlist was cool too.
After opening with Tailgunner and Public Enema #1 (which is a great song with a horrid title) they went full bore into:
Wrathchild
Die With Your Boots On
Hallowed Be Thy Name
22 Acacia Avenue

Okay...so when does the "cool" part of the set start?
Don't go there, Bosk!
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Post by: bosk1 on March 24, 2015, 10:27:39 AM
:biggrin:
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Post by: Zydar on March 24, 2015, 11:47:19 AM
"Over the last few days, Bruce has been to see his specialists and following examinations, including visual, we’re delighted to update everyone that the situation remains extremely optimistic for a full recovery. We will still not have final confirmation that the cancer has been completely eradicated until Bruce can have an MRI scan in May, as previously advised in Rod’s recent message to the fans on this site, and the period to full recovery will continue for a few months yet. Typically Bruce’s immediate reaction to the specialists’ good news was to be as active as feasibly possible, taking in a couple of visits to the Maiden office, one to the Hybrid Air Vehicle hangar to see latest progress, and a brief trip to his local pub, much to the surprise and delight of all his friends there!

We just wanted to share this latest piece of good news with all Maiden’s fans and, as usual, we’ll continue to keep you all updated officially on Bruce’s progress through ironmaiden.com"
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Post by: Mladen on March 24, 2015, 12:40:09 PM
Good news.  :metal

Anyway, this picture came up on a certain website - Bruce needs to keep the stasche for the upcoming album and hopefully tour with it :lol :
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zfNdjctwQO4/VRDIpoq_8NI/AAAAAAAAfDQ/AhmSltFcwPE/s640/bruce-dickinson-airlander-1.jpg)
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Post by: Zydar on March 24, 2015, 12:43:53 PM
Awesome :lol
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Post by: cramx3 on March 24, 2015, 12:47:13 PM
Well he seems to still have his hair which is great!
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Post by: jjrock88 on March 24, 2015, 01:09:04 PM
The news is sounding good!
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Post by: TAC on March 24, 2015, 02:49:59 PM
I posted this a few years ago in the Old Maiden thread.

No Prayer For The Dark:

Side 1
Be Quick Or Be Dead
No Prayer For The Dying
Fear Is The Key
Fates Warning
Childhood's End
Afraid To Shoot Strangers

Side 2
The Fugitive
Run Silent Run Deep
The Assassin or Public Enema #1 (I can't decide)
Wasting Love
Judas Be My Guide
Fear Of The Dark
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 24, 2015, 03:07:31 PM
That looks pretty good. Personally I'd do something pretty similar, but probably without Fear Is the Key and Childhood's End and with Mother Russia. And between The Assassin and Public Enema Number One I would definitely choose the better song with the worse title (Public Enema, in case you couldn't tell).
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2015, 03:17:28 PM
I think I'm the only person that likes Fear Is The Key.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 24, 2015, 03:20:20 PM
I think it has its good bits, but I personally wouldn't include it on a best of early 90s disc.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on March 24, 2015, 03:27:37 PM
Yeah, that track definitely grew on me over the years, it's very good.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 24, 2015, 03:35:34 PM
I think I'm the only person that likes Fear Is The Key.

Fear is the Key is my favourite of the 'sub-par' FOTD tracks.  It has a really cool intro riff.  So does Chains of Misery, actually. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2015, 03:50:48 PM
I think I'm the only person that likes Fear Is The Key.

No, I have always put FOTD in my top 5 Maiden albums, I just love it.  I love the atmosphere of Fear is the Key, it has a great vibe.  It's very different for Maiden, don't know why it's so hated.

Great update regarding Bruce too.  Hopefully some album news soon too.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 24, 2015, 03:58:19 PM
Bruce gives great stache.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 24, 2015, 05:02:48 PM
Yea Im not a big fan of Fear is the Key, but Chains of Misery is one of the better bad songs on FotD.  Ill give a shot for No Fear of the Dying Dark

Be Quick or Be Dead
Public Enema Number One
Holy Smoke
Afraid to Shoot Strangers
Childhood's End
Run Silent Run Deep
Judas Be My Guide
No Prayer for the Dying
Mother Russia
Fear of the Dark
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2015, 05:13:34 PM
I'm a fan of both, but I'll have a crack too, why not;

Be Quick or Be Dead
Tailgunner
No Prayer For the Dying
Public Enema Number 1
Fates Warning
Afraid to Shoot Strangers
Fear is the Key
Childhood's End
The Fugitive
Chains of Misery
Run Silent Run Deep
Mother Russia
Judas Be My Guide
Fear of the Dark

That's heaps of songs haha.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 24, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
That's heaps of songs haha.
:lol
Let's just make it a double album!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 24, 2015, 05:22:39 PM
That's heaps of songs haha.
:lol
Let's just make it a double album!

It should still fit on 1 cd.  :lol 


Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 25, 2015, 08:29:58 PM
Have you guys ever seen this? Freaking hilarious attempt at singing Aces High.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTRV7vz06k

:metal CHULE!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bl5150 on March 25, 2015, 08:35:05 PM
 :rollin    There's a break in transmission at around 1.40.........the PC guy going to get some new jocks perhaps.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 25, 2015, 09:06:08 PM
Am I the only person in the universe who likes Holy Smoke?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 25, 2015, 09:09:51 PM
cram likes it.  so its you and cram.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 25, 2015, 09:15:43 PM
It's such a goofy song, it's hard not to like.

Also, I updated my "No Fear of the Dying" tracklist. Flows much better now:

1. Be Quick or Be Dead
2. Holy Smoke
3. From Here to Eternity
4. Fates Warning
5. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
6. Fear is the Key
7. Judas Be My Guide
8. Run Silent Run Deep
9. Wasting Love
10. Bring Your Daughter...To the Slaughter
11. Fear of the Dark

I've always hated the chorus to Tailgunner, and while the rest of the song is alright, I wouldn't miss it that much.

Next question: Am I the only one in the universe who likes Bring You Daughter...To the Slaughter? :biggrin:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 25, 2015, 09:26:10 PM
I think Maiden at that time were trying to come off as edgy and whatever but really it was just cheese dressed up in leather.  Stuff like Holy Smoke, BYD, Tailgunner et al.  Haven't like Bring Your Daughter... since I was like, 10 and thought it was cool. 

The only thing I like about Holy Smoke is the video, because its so stupid funny.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: PowerSlave on March 26, 2015, 01:13:40 AM
Have you guys ever seen this? Freaking hilarious attempt at singing Aces High.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTRV7vz06k

:metal CHULE!

The best part is the poor bastard sitting in front of him, and trying not to completely lose it the entire time he's "singing".
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2015, 05:24:34 AM
I think Maiden at that time were trying to come off as edgy and whatever but really it was just cheese dressed up in leather.  Stuff like Holy Smoke, BYD, Tailgunner et al.  Haven't like Bring Your Daughter... since I was like, 10 and thought it was cool. 

The only thing I like about Holy Smoke is the video, because its so stupid funny.
They were going for a stripped down back to basics sound, which was followed up by their stripped down stage show for that tour. Similar to the approach QR did with HITNF, but like QR, these songs were so sub par it was like getting an album's worth of B Sides.
BYD is so horrible, I cannot believe Steve wanted it for a Maiden album. It should have been left in the obscurity of the Freddie Kruger soundtrack.

And remember, there was a long hiatus between No Prayer and Seventh Son. That's what makes the lack of good material even more disappointing. I vividly remember getting the single to Holy Smoke. I was so excited to finally have new Maiden. We put it on, and I literally thought we played the wrong side. Kill Me Ce Soir was 10 times better.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 26, 2015, 09:09:47 AM
BYD is so horrible, I cannot believe Steve wanted it for a Maiden album. It should have been left in the obscurity of the Freddie Kruger soundtrack.

And then they went ahead and put it on the "best of 1990-2010" collection From Fear to Eternity. I remember that because that collection was my introduction to Maiden and I remember my friend having to tell me "hey, just so you know, there's this one song on there that's really bad."
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 09:11:45 AM
BYD is so horrible, I cannot believe Steve wanted it for a Maiden album. It should have been left in the obscurity of the Freddie Kruger soundtrack.

And then they went ahead and put it on the "best of 1990-2010" collection From Fear to Eternity. I remember that because that collection was my introduction to Maiden and I remember my friend having to tell me "hey, just so you know, there's this one song on there that's really bad."

Isnt it also their only #1 hit song or something? lol it really is terrible and incredibly cheesey.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 26, 2015, 09:12:52 AM
Yeah, it is. I think they released it on Christmas or something so that it would have very little competition. Merry Christmas, here's a song called "Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter."
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 09:24:34 AM
lol wasnt aware of that but thats actually is pretty awesome.   :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on March 26, 2015, 10:06:03 AM
I remember when I first became aware of Iron Maiden as a kid, and started getting into their music, Bring Your Daughter had this huge reputation over here. Like, people on the radio talked about the song as if it was Run to the Hills or Number of the Beast levels of hit material. I was never huge on it back then, and in retrospect, as a single, I don't care for it now. Just another proof that 90's Maiden just wasn't any good. Sure, maybe a handful of 5 songs spread out on 4 albums that were great, but when a song like Bring Your Daughter is supposedly hit material, that kinda says a lot, because previous Maiden singles were great.

90's Maiden pales not only to their 80's and 00's effort, but I'd say Bruce Dickinson had a very good run of albums in his solo career, albums that are on par with some of Maiden's best. Chemical Wedding gets a lot of love, personally I was huge into Skunkworks and also Tattooed Millionaire. Accident of Birth was another really good one, and I will always have a soft spot for Tyranny of Souls (which came later), because it was my first solo album of his, and I still hold that one really high. Navigate the Seas of the Sun is a personal favorite that I would put up there in my top10 Maiden/BD songs, also a few other great ones like Abduction, River of no Return and Kill Devil Hill. Great album.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 10:18:47 AM
90's Maiden pales not only to their 80's and 00's effort, but I'd say Bruce Dickinson had a very good run of albums in his solo career, albums that are on par with some of Maiden's best. Chemical Wedding gets a lot of love, personally I was huge into Skunkworks and also Tattooed Millionaire. Accident of Birth was another really good one, and I will always have a soft spot for Tyranny of Souls (which came later), because it was my first solo album of his, and I still hold that one really high. Navigate the Seas of the Sun is a personal favorite that I would put up there in my top10 Maiden/BD songs, also a few other great ones like Abduction, River of no Return and Kill Devil Hill. Great album.

I agree with what you say about Bruce's solo work.  I think his awesomeness in solo work that was actually better than what IM were putting out in the 90s might have played a large role in getting him and Adrian back in the band... those guys were creating amazing music.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 26, 2015, 03:01:35 PM
For years I thought BYD was stupid, and for years I didn't listen to it, but it's really not that bad. It's like You Not Me. Same with Holy Smoke. Harmless.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
It is a bit of a "fun" song if that means anything.  Its just not a piece of music I would ever share with anyone who was interested in listening to IM which is odd because a lot of times a band's single is something you would show to someone since its usually a more acceptable and easy to digest track as well as often a good one.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 26, 2015, 04:07:57 PM
90's Maiden pales not only to their 80's and 00's effort, but I'd say Bruce Dickinson had a very good run of albums in his solo career, albums that are on par with some of Maiden's best. Chemical Wedding gets a lot of love, personally I was huge into Skunkworks and also Tattooed Millionaire. Accident of Birth was another really good one, and I will always have a soft spot for Tyranny of Souls (which came later), because it was my first solo album of his, and I still hold that one really high. Navigate the Seas of the Sun is a personal favorite that I would put up there in my top10 Maiden/BD songs, also a few other great ones like Abduction, River of no Return and Kill Devil Hill. Great album.

I agree with what you say about Bruce's solo work.  I think his awesomeness in solo work that was actually better than what IM were putting out in the 90s might have played a large role in getting him and Adrian back in the band... those guys were creating amazing music.

Shit yes on both counts.  I remember hearing The Tower on some rock station back when it first came out and thinking it was lightyears ahead of its Maiden counterpart, which would probably have been VXI. 

I really love Navigate the Seas of the Sun as well; such a gorgeous melody and some really awesome lyrics, definitely one of Bruce's finest moments.  Aside from Believil and the kind of average title track, Tyranny of Souls is fantastic.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 26, 2015, 05:25:19 PM
Believil keeps ToS from being perfect.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 26, 2015, 05:29:52 PM
For years I thought BYD was stupid, and for years I didn't listen to it, but it's really not that bad. It's like You Not Me. Same with Holy Smoke. Harmless.

I tend to agree with this on the count of Holy Smoke, and sometimes on BYDTTS. But the fact that BYD's lyrics are so crude bothers me sometimes.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on March 26, 2015, 05:49:50 PM
For years I thought BYD was stupid, and for years I didn't listen to it, but it's really not that bad. It's like You Not Me. Same with Holy Smoke. Harmless.
Agreed. There's nothing really wrong with it, it's just kinda boring. I like Holy Smoke though. No Prayer in general is a pretty solid album IMHO.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2015, 06:47:33 PM
Holy Smoke is the one song from NPftD that most dislike that I actually enjoy.  Its nothing great, but I think its a fun song and I like the guitar solo.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on March 26, 2015, 08:30:09 PM
You guys have just helped me to put my finger on exactly why I really dislike No Prayer for the Dying.  It *does* sound like an album of Iron Maiden B-sides.  And that's just the problem.   Because for as much as I've heard some people call Iron Maiden a "comic book" band, I could NOT disagree with that description more. 

When Iron Maiden started out, no one was laughing.   Eddie's persona was one that was cool, but in a very eerie, creepy, macabre kind of way.   By the time Powerslave came out, Killers was the lowest selling album, but it had the most iconic cover.   THAT was Eddie.  To many people, it was just as scary as it was cool.   But the nature of the songs was actually quite serious.  Do you know how many metal fans actually picked up A BOOK because of Iron Maiden?   They sold Poe to a whole new generation!   But it wasn't just literature.  Social subjects, life and death, pain and madness, war, superstition...all of these were subjects to fantastic Iron Maiden songs, and they were actually well written in a fashion that you could contemplate and take seriously.    But their B-sides let you know that they did have a sense of humor.   It was nice to know that, "Hey.  We thought we'd let our fans in on some of our silly moments.  This isn't a REAL Iron Maiden album/song...this is a wink and a nod, just us having a bit of a piss..enjoy it!"   Those were the Iron Maiden B-sides.  The behind the scenes stuff.   The goofing off...not the serious Maiden.     And that's OK for a B-side. 

So No Prayer kindof felt like the guys saying, "Nah!  We were just having you on.  We never were serious at all!  Joke's on you!"   

Suddenly, the eerie, spooky, creepy, psychotic Eddie was now "old weird Uncle Eddie" who pops out his glass eye and plays "gotcher nose" with a dislocated thumb.   The whole album just feels like one big long 50 minute joke. 

Say what you want about Fear of the Dark.  It may not be a great Iron Maiden album, but at least it sounds like they were at least trying to write a *serious* Iron Maiden album...
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 27, 2015, 06:58:23 AM
Believil keeps ToS from being perfect.

Yes.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on March 27, 2015, 07:00:25 AM
Holy Smoke is the one song from NPftD that most dislike that I actually enjoy.  Its nothing great, but I think its a fun song and I like the guitar solo.

Holy shit, someone else likes Holy Smoke? :hifive:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 27, 2015, 07:05:27 AM
I never really had an issue with Holy Smoke either.  The guitar solos are fantastic.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 27, 2015, 07:32:33 AM
So No Prayer kindof felt like the guys saying, "Nah!  We were just having you on.  We never were serious at all!  Joke's on you!"   

Suddenly, the eerie, spooky, creepy, psychotic Eddie was now "old weird Uncle Eddie" who pops out his glass eye and plays "gotcher nose" with a dislocated thumb.   The whole album just feels like one big long 50 minute joke. 

Say what you want about Fear of the Dark.  It may not be a great Iron Maiden album, but at least it sounds like they were at least trying to write a *serious* Iron Maiden album...

I definitely agree that Fear of the Dark is the better album lyrically (though that one still has From Here to Eternity, don't forget). I'm annoyed by some of the NPFTD lyrics for the same reason you are.

But in fairness to NPFTD... the WHOLE thing isn't a 50 minute long joke. The title song, Fates Warning, Run Silent Run Deep and Mother Russia are all serious songs in the traditional Maiden lyrical style.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on March 27, 2015, 08:00:07 AM
I think Maiden had a similar problem with No Prayer, and going into the 90s in general that many 80's bands had. They were coming off a strong run of albums in the 80's, and for some reason (I don't know if it was a creative decision or adjusting to what was popular, or following the money) they changed things up and it didn't work. Similar to what happened with Metallica, but possibly for different reasons. They tried changing things up and it didn't work. I'd say part of what Maiden's comeback with Brave New World so strong was that they returned to their classic style again, and it was pretty much world domination after that.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 27, 2015, 08:34:48 AM
But they really didnt. Brave New World is very similar to V11 in terms of song writing and structure.  It was just fantastically produced and has Bruce back on vocals that separated it from V11.  As pointed out in this thread, a few songs from BNW were from V11 leftovers.  I do agree that the changing of the times took its toll on IM with NPftD and FotD, but the XF -> TFF is a fairly clear move to a more progressive approach to the music.  Dance of Death maybe more similar to the 80s albums as it has shorter fast paced songs and less progressive, but overall they really found thier new style in XF IMO, it just didn't work out in terms of popularity due to the opposite reasons BNW did work out. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on March 27, 2015, 01:05:44 PM
I think in this case, getting Bruce back on vocals was enough of a "return to the past" that they didn't need to change the music much. They just ended up writing better music on BNW and forward.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on March 27, 2015, 01:10:15 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that Adrian's return was at least as big as Bruce's? For as much as I love TXF and VXI, I have to say that Adrian plays by far the most important role out of the "supporting cast" of songwriters (i.e. the non-Steve ones).
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on March 27, 2015, 01:28:46 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that Adrian's return was at least as big as Bruce's? For as much as I love TXF and VXI, I have to say that Adrian plays by far the most important role out of the "supporting cast" of songwriters (i.e. the non-Steve ones).
Absolutely! I loved when Bruce started to collab with Adrian on his solo stuff. So when Bruce joined I was equally happy about Adrian joining Maiden.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on March 27, 2015, 01:56:27 PM
You guys have just helped me to put my finger on exactly why I really dislike No Prayer for the Dying.  It *does* sound like an album of Iron Maiden B-sides.
You're welcome. :)

Say what you want about Fear of the Dark.  It may not be a great Iron Maiden album, but at least it sounds like they were at least trying to write a *serious* Iron Maiden album...
Right. I also said that. Steve's vision for No Prayer was a stripped down style, without the excesses of the 80's. Problem was, the writing ended up being stripped down. It's one thing to record an album in a certain style, but the songs still have to be there. I just think Steve took his foot off the pedal too much.

Am I the only one who thinks that Adrian's return was at least as big as Bruce's? For as much as I love TXF and VXI, I have to say that Adrian plays by far the most important role out of the "supporting cast" of songwriters (i.e. the non-Steve ones).

Absolutely. Adrian is the glue between Steve and Bruce. NPFTD and FOTD are subpar because the of the lack of Adrian, among other things, but his absence is glaring, and was at the time. I literally remember exactly where I was when I read that Adrian left. It was a huge letdown, but I was happy it was Janick. He's good on Tattooed Millionaire and was great when I saw Bruce on that tour. He already seemed like part of the family. But really, he could never replace Adrian.


But I also remember when Balls To Picasso came out, and compared with The X Factor, it was clear how much balance Bruce gave the band. The X Factor is a highly debated album, but for me, it's basically a Steve Harris solo album, with no one else in the band to debate Steve's ideas. A great frontman aside, I never really understood Bruce's importance to the band as I did when those two albums came out.

So having both Bruce and Adrian back, both motivated, really gave Maiden a huge lift, and creatively, the Reunion era stands right with the Classic era.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on March 27, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
There's no doubt that Adrian's return also played a huge role in the revival of the music.  And his work with Bruce's solo stuff is the best Bruce's solo stuff.  It says something to me that this guy happens to be apart of all the really good music and avoided all the bad albums.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 27, 2015, 04:50:06 PM
I'm glad Bruce only agreed to come back with Adrian.  Adrian's best playing IMO is on AOB and CW.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 31, 2015, 04:14:40 AM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 31, 2015, 04:47:12 AM
The TV broadcast (video) of RiR is awesome for its 'un-fucked-by-Harris' editing style. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on March 31, 2015, 04:54:11 AM
I personally love the chaotic editing on that DVD, it's so energetic and powerful, it perfectly fits the music of that intensity. The only thing I'm not too crazy about is indeed the overdubbing of Bruce's vocals, they really didn't need to do that. Better let the crowd be heard, especially when it's that awesome.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on March 31, 2015, 05:12:14 AM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.

Where can this be found legally?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 31, 2015, 05:14:56 AM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.

Where can this be found legally?

Cuply ones on youtube, quality isn't too awesome tho.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aop5aIR-VY
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2015, 04:04:48 PM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.

There's overdubs all over the whole concert, but those two songs are by far the worst.  Not sure about cutting out a section in The Clansman.  What makes me laugh is on the official CD/DVD, during the "no, we're not gonna take anymore,"  at one point you can hear the overdub of Bruce saying this line over the crowd, but then they cut a word out and you hear Bruce yell at the crowd to sing which is from the concert.  But, there's no way Bruce could stop singing and yell like he does to the crowd almost at the same time.  It's like they have almost dubbed Bruce over the top of himself.  I would have to find it to make it more clear what I am referring to.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 31, 2015, 04:33:38 PM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.

There's overdubs all over the whole concert, but those two songs are by far the worst.  Not sure about cutting out a section in The Clansman.  What makes me laugh is on the official CD/DVD, during the "no, we're not gonna take anymore,"  at one point you can hear the overdub of Bruce saying this line over the crowd, but then they cut a word out and you hear Bruce yell at the crowd to sing which is from the concert.  But, there's no way Bruce could stop singing and yell like he does to the crowd almost at the same time.  It's like they have almost dubbed Bruce over the top of himself.  I would have to find it to make it more clear what I am referring to.

I know exactly what you're talking about.

"Nooooo, no we're not gonna take anymor-LOUDER"

They did it in such a way that it does kinda sound like he's cutting himself off, so I can look passed it. About cutting a part out of The Clansman, I think I was just confused because I wasn't used to not hearing the overdubs, so it sounded off.

They didn't need any overdubs at all. The only thing they needed to do was make the crowd more in sync in certain places like in Dream of Mirrors. Yeah, they really shouldn't have done that either, but it sounds better on the DVD/CD. But Mr. Harris, if Bruce is telling the crowd to sing a passage, why the fuck would you then overdub Bruce singing said passage? Makes no sense.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2015, 05:46:44 PM
Just finished listening to the TV version of Rock in Rio. It's ridiculous how many over dubs were put in the DVD version. The worst one being in Fear of the Dark. The crowd was loud as fuck and they still put a duplicate soundbite of Bruce in. I think they even cut out a small section in The Clansman. I'd have to go back and check.

There's overdubs all over the whole concert, but those two songs are by far the worst.  Not sure about cutting out a section in The Clansman.  What makes me laugh is on the official CD/DVD, during the "no, we're not gonna take anymore,"  at one point you can hear the overdub of Bruce saying this line over the crowd, but then they cut a word out and you hear Bruce yell at the crowd to sing which is from the concert.  But, there's no way Bruce could stop singing and yell like he does to the crowd almost at the same time.  It's like they have almost dubbed Bruce over the top of himself.  I would have to find it to make it more clear what I am referring to.

I know exactly what you're talking about.

"Nooooo, no we're not gonna take anymor-LOUDER"

But Mr. Harris, if Bruce is telling the crowd to sing a passage, why the fuck would you then overdub Bruce singing said passage? Makes no sense.


That's the line Zook.  And that's the thing that annoyed me the most with the overdubs.  Anyone who didn't know the story behind the overdubs would be thinking, "Why would he ask the crowd to sing, but then sing it himself anyway?"
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on March 31, 2015, 06:19:47 PM
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IRON MAIDEN bassist/mainman Steve Harris has posted the following message via the group's official web site at www.ironmaiden.com in response to the accusations that, contrary to the various bandmembers' previous claims, the group's Rock In Rio live album contains studio overdubs:

Let's get one thing straight. [IRON MAIDEN frontman] Bruce [Dickinson] is NOT a liar.

There are NO overdubs on this live album. While it was being mixed in New York by [producer] Kevin Shirley and myself, Bruce was in London to my knowledge, or wherever he was, it's not an issue except to say that he couldn't overdub anything if he wasn't there!

What HAS happened is that I made an executive decision to cut and paste with a computer to put back in, his LIVE on the night vocals into parts where he was getting the audience to sing on some choruses on some lines on their own. The reason I did this is because in the cold light of day it sounds better with him back in there because sometimes the audience were either out of time or not quite loud enough. So I simply cut out parts of his vocal on the line before and pasted it into the next line, which was possible because it was a repetitive part.

I find it amazing that people would question this band's integrity and indeed go as far as accuse someone of being a liar. Supposed fans like that we don't want, as far as I'm concerned we're better off without people like that. If you don't like what I've done with the album, don't buy it. Simple!

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maiden-s-steve-harris-there-are-no-overdubs-on-rock-in-rio/#D3Kw2PGbgiAWTAUI.99
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on March 31, 2015, 06:39:53 PM
I remember reading that when it happened.  Funny stuff, good ol' 'Arry.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 31, 2015, 08:10:54 PM
Haha I've never seen that.  Brilliant.  Tough as old boots...
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on April 01, 2015, 06:12:29 AM
Ive never seen that either, but I wonder if his "if you dont like it, dont buy it" type of attitude is coming more so from the criticism of his editing than the overdubs.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on April 01, 2015, 06:31:53 AM
Possibly both.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on April 07, 2015, 03:43:59 AM
Parlophone Records (BMG/INgrooves Music Group for the USA) are delighted to announce the release of nineteen IRON MAIDEN catalogue albums which have been Mastered For iTunes (iTunes.com/IronMaiden), encoded from 24-bit / 96 khz high resolution masters and now re-mastered with iTunes in mind, delivering the music to listeners exactly the way the artist and recording engineer intended. These are brand new re-masters from their original analogue sources, exclusively produced for iTunes. All fifteen studio albums, 2 Best Of compilations and 2 live albums were personally selected by Maiden's founder member Steve Harris for this superior mastering technique : Iron Maiden, Killers, The Number Of The Beast, Piece Of Mind, Powerslave, Somewhere In Time, Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son, No Prayer For The Dying, Fear Of The Dark, The X Factor, Virtual XI, Brave New World, Dance Of Death, A Matter Of Life And Death, The Final Frontier, Somewhere Back In Time, From Fear To Eternity (2CD), Live after Death (2CD) and Rock In Rio (2CD).

Steve comments:
"The Mastering For iTunes procedure allows the listener to experience the music as close as possible to the way the artist intended it to be heard. So of course I was very keen for the Maiden albums to be mastered in this way. The records have been available digitally before, when this medium first became a platform for music distribution but that was mastered with CDs in mind. The iTunes process involves a different approach and it's great to finally deliver the music to our fans in as close to a pure and accurate sound as we could possibly achieve.For example, as most people know, I was never really happy with the sound on the first Maiden album but listening to it now, the guitars are louder, the drums more substantial and the overall tone is so very much improved in my opinion. Tony Newton and Ade Emsley who worked closely with me on the project did a terrific job recapturing everything from the original masters and together we've re- mastered them all digitally and I'm really happy with the results."

Tony Newton adds:
"The process started with locating all of the original album mix tapes (or whichever format they were mixed to). Then the choice of analogue to digital convertor was chosen for the most accurate capture to make it as close as possible to the sound of the mix as it was intended by the band. When a lot of these tapes were last captured it was in the 1980's, early days of digital and only 44.1khz/16bit files were possible. On top of this the new A/D convertors are far superior now, and of course it is possible to produce files of far higher resolution. The result of this is that the songs now sound more defined with added depth and warmth. I was very excited to be asked to be part of this project, I honestly feel that there is a massive improvement in the quality of these classic albums."
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on April 07, 2015, 05:06:15 AM
ITunes suck, but lackluster productions of albums like TXF, DOD and TFF would be interesting to hear.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: The Curious Orange on April 07, 2015, 05:36:52 AM
So there are no overdubs on RiR - they simply took some bits and overdubbed them onto other bits. Glad that's settled.

Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on April 07, 2015, 05:46:52 AM
I was unaware of Itune specific remasters.  Has this been done before? 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on April 07, 2015, 06:13:55 AM
So there are no overdubs on RiR - they simply took some bits and overdubbed them onto other bits. Glad that's settled.
I've actually always known that, but I still used the word "overdub" because of not knowing how else to say it. Pasting the already existing live vocals? I guess that's the way to put it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 07, 2015, 02:54:50 PM
ITunes suck, but lackluster productions of albums like TXF, DOD and TFF would be interesting to hear.

I always thought TXF had a great atmosphere.  I love Nicko's drum sound, and the whole thing just sounds dark and moody, like the song content. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on April 07, 2015, 03:47:10 PM
ITunes suck, but lackluster productions of albums like TXF, DOD and TFF would be interesting to hear.

I always thought TXF had a great atmosphere.  I love Nicko's drum sound, and the whole thing just sounds dark and moody, like the song content.

I thought it fits the mood of the album too, but I always wondered what it would sound like with a more in your face and hard hitting production.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on April 08, 2015, 01:02:38 AM
I'd be fine with the X Factor if it had a stronger guitar sound. The thin guitars just ruin it imo.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on April 08, 2015, 06:01:04 AM
TXF's big downfall is the production.  Sure it has that darkness to it that fits the lyrical content and theme of the album, but it also sounds like shit IMO.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on April 08, 2015, 06:38:57 AM
I'd be fine with the X Factor if it had a stronger guitar sound. The thin guitars just ruin it imo.

Having grown up with (and practically cut my teeth on) the original self titled album...I found the guitar sound of TXF quite nostalgic. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 25, 2015, 07:32:32 PM
As always, you're the man Bruce!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/30/worlds-largest-aircraft-looking-for-investors-to-give-it-liftoff

(http://i.guim.co.uk/media/w-1920/h--/q-95/b76a42b5b115e8b471a5b8723130a4ce9d76fb04/0_384_5758_3456/2000.jpg)

Rocking the stache!!



Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 25, 2015, 09:00:10 PM
It's nice to see that he believes in something like this could work and knows that getting to the goal is not going to be short or easy.  Good quotes there by him.

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Dickinson, the singer and part-time pilot got involved in 2008 after meeting the “genius behind it”, the late inventor Roger Munk, and has now upped his investment to £250,000. Dickinson said: “I told my wife, I’m about to put £100k into a big bag of helium. It may go up in smoke. She said, people have to dream, and unless you can dream something it’s never going to happen.”

He added: “I’m not expecting to get my money back any time soon, I just want to be part of it. Being a rock person, I could put it up my nose, or buy a million Rolls Royces and drive them into swimming pools, or I could do something useful.”

The heavy metal superstar added: “There are very few times in your life when you’re going to be part of something big.”
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2015, 05:52:47 AM
Thats a cool quote and shows Bruce's character.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on April 27, 2015, 05:54:34 AM
Bruce is such a cool guy.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on April 27, 2015, 05:57:11 AM
Bruce is such a great role model and just a champ of a man.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on April 27, 2015, 07:52:15 AM
Bruce is such a great role model and just a champ of a man.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on April 28, 2015, 08:17:05 AM
Bruce is such a great role model and just a champ of a man.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on May 07, 2015, 05:19:47 PM
I finally broke down and actually purchased A Matter of Life and Death.   Man...what a BEAST of an album!!

And the first thing that sticks out at me every time I listen to it...you have to get all the way up to track 8 before you hit a song that repeats a single phrase 8 times. (of course, it's the first song on the album that is written solely by Harris....go figure)   But even then, the album as a whole doesn't feel near as tiring because they are not spending the entire album with those damned repetitive choruses.   So even that song doesn't seem as bad in the context of the album. 

This is honestly a top 5, maybe even top 3 Maiden album.   It's just wonderful to remember how good Iron Maiden can be when they are truly firing on all cylinders.   It's a shame we never got a concert DVD of this tour.   Does anyone know if any shows were pro-shot for later release??
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on May 07, 2015, 05:26:00 PM
AMOLAD is spectacular. And despite its repetitiveness, For the Greater Good of God is one of my favorites on the album.

I don't know about pro-shot video, but there are several high-quality audio bootlegs from the tour, on which the played the full album (which I think is the only album they have ever played live in full). From memory, I think the bootleg of the Globen show is of very good quality.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 07, 2015, 05:48:47 PM
I think the only proshot show from that tour (06-07) was the one in the Download Festival 2007?  That said, I don't think there has been or going to be a proshot release of one of their shows where they played the album in its entirety.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 07, 2015, 09:38:11 PM
Better late than never.  AMOLAD is indeed a mature, beastly album.

If I remember rightly, the band stated there was going to be a DVD for that tour.  I awaited it as we all know they played the album in full, but then the DVD just never happened.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 08, 2015, 04:28:45 AM
I was very disappointed that tracks like Benjamin Breeg and Different World didn't make it intot he setlist for the next tour. The En Vivo DVD would be so much better with them.

Any more news about album 16 yet?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 08, 2015, 06:09:55 AM
I recall IM recorded the Download 07 concert for a planned release, but something was wrong with it.  I think the band was not happy with their performance or something.  So that got scrapped, but that concert also was when they were celebrating tNotB album so it was half songs from that album and half from aMoLaD.  I have a bootleg of the Long Island show from the leg of the tour where they played the entire album and its pretty good except for the fact that the place is half empty and it seems like IM's effort in that show reflected the poor crowd.

I was very disappointed that tracks like Benjamin Breeg and Different World didn't make it intot he setlist for the next tour. The En Vivo DVD would be so much better with them.

I agree, the setlist the US got for TFF tour was awesome as it was like a "best of" 2000s IM.  They didn't play Different World though, played These Colours Don't Run and Benjamin Breeg.   If and when IM ever tour again, I would really hope they bring out more songs from this album.  It's a shame the US crowd really didnt appreciate the aMoLaD tour.  I rememeber so many people complaining after the show because they didnt play The Trooper and tNofB. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on May 08, 2015, 06:34:10 AM
I'm sure that Download DVD will be released at some point. Probably once they retire, the stuff needs to keep coming out.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 08, 2015, 07:09:56 AM
AMoLaD is my favorite of post 2000 albuns, it has the best compositions, with the best overall sound and mix of all of them. IMO it still suffers of some arrangements problems of the newer records (too much of the calm intros for some songs... Kevin Shirley, where are you as producer ?!), but  with few "corrections" and without These Colors Don't Run (sorry, I guess is a favorite of many here) is near a perfect album.
On other topic, has anyone heard the albuns in Hi-Res yet? How about them?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 08, 2015, 07:23:12 AM
Kevin Shirley, where are you as producer?

To be fair, Shirley does push for greater variety on IM albums, but Steve Harris generally over-rules him.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on May 08, 2015, 07:24:11 AM
AMOLAD is awesome. Yeah, you have calm intros left and right, but they work really well regardless. Out of the Shadows, Lord of Light and The Legacy are some of the band's best songs.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 08, 2015, 07:43:18 AM
The Legacy is a top 5 song an AMOLAD is IM's best album IMO.  As close to a perfect album as IM have.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 08, 2015, 07:49:05 AM
AMOLAD is awesome. Yeah, you have calm intros left and right, but they work really well regardless. Out of the Shadows, Lord of Light and The Legacy are some of the band's best songs.

I was thinking more about Benjamin Bregg (that intro is totally out of place on a great rocker song) and These Colors...Out of the Shadows is really good the way it is. The intro of Lord of Light is cool and all, but IMO that song would work better if it starded with that guitar riff around 2 min mark. And yes, The Legacy is just a PERFECT song  :metal
And I really like the intros of Brighter..., Longest Day..., Greater Good..., but my point is I think there's more than enough calm intros for a Maiden album (7 songs in 10!). I miss the more immediate/energetic approach of the older ones, I just think that it makes the 80's albums flow better.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on May 08, 2015, 09:14:53 AM
Ok.  Let's play a game. 

Imagine that Iron Maiden never did a follow up live album to Live After Death, and they are getting ready to release Live After Death TWO.   It will be a two disc set that will not have any tracks that repeat from Live After Death 1.    You have been given the task of putting the track listing together.    In our imaginary scenario, IM hasn't released a live album in almost 30 years, but in reality, you can include anything you wish from the many existing live albums they have released.   Maiden England, A Real Live/Dead One, Live At Donnington, Rock In Rio, Death on the Road, Flight 666, and En Vivo can all be used as source material.

What is your ultimate Live After Death 2???
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2015, 09:17:03 AM
What is your ultimate Live After Death 2???

En Vivo

Not trying to be flip, but En Vivo! is just about perfect in my book.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on May 08, 2015, 11:01:18 AM
What is your ultimate Live After Death 2???

En Vivo

Not trying to be flip, but En Vivo! is just about perfect in my book.

But En Vivo contains 6 tracks that appeared on Live After Death....so you have to replace them with...well...SOMETHING.   :angel:   Paschendale from Death on the Road??   Sign of the Cross from Rock in Rio perhaps?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2015, 12:01:20 PM
Okay, fine.  :biggrin:  Keep in mind that I am a relatively new Maiden fan, so I am not familiar with the plethora of live releases by them. 

Those are good choices.  Since I have 4 more to play with, I will add:
-Wasted Years (Flight 666)
-The Clansman (RiR)

I will come up with more.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 08, 2015, 12:56:39 PM
We can dream... a lot? :biggrin:

Wicker Man
Montesgur
Paschendale
Brighter than a thousand suns
Where Eagles Dare
Caugh Somewhere in Time
Wasted Years
Killers
Sign of the Cross
Man on the Edge
Ghost of Navigator
Tailgunner
Be Quick
No Prayer
Seventh Son
Mother Russia
The Legacy

Encore:
Moonchild
Infinite Dreams
Fear of the Dark
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on May 08, 2015, 02:04:51 PM
Ok.  Let's play a game. 
It will be a two disc set that will not have any tracks that repeat from Live After Death 1.
   
you can include anything you wish from the many existing live albums they have released.   

What is your ultimate Live After Death 2???

CD 1
Where Eagles Dare (A Real Dead One)
Wasted Years (Flight 666)
Die With Your Boots On  (Maiden England)
Infinite Dreams (Maiden England)
Coming Home (En Vivo)
Dance Of Death (Death On The Road)
Remember Tomorrow (A Real Dead One)
The Clansman (Rock In Rio)
The Talisman (En Vivo)
Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son (Maiden England)

CD 2
Be Quick Of Be Dead (Live At Donnington)
No Prayer For The Dying (FOTD B Side)
Pashendale (Death On The Road)
Still Life (Maiden England)
Sign Of The Cross (Rock In Rio)
Brave New World (Death On The Road)
When The Wild Wind Blows (En Vivo)
Fear Of The Dark (Death On The Road)
******
Transylvania (A Real Dead One)
Prowler (A Real Dead One)
******
Moonchild (Flight 666)
The Evil That Men Do (En Vivo)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 08, 2015, 02:08:04 PM
We can dream... a lot? :biggrin:

Wicker Man
Montesgur
Paschendale
Brighter than a thousand suns
Where Eagles Dare
Caugh Somewhere in Time
Wasted Years
Killers
Sign of the Cross
Man on the Edge
Ghost of Navigator
Tailgunner
Be Quick
No Prayer
Seventh Son
Mother Russia
The Legacy

Encore:
Moonchild
Infinite Dreams
Fear of the Dark

All right, down to 1 hour and 40 minutes:

Wicker Man
Montesgur
Paschendale
Brighter than a Thousand Suns
Where Eagles Dare
Caught Somewhere in Time
Wasted Years
Killers
Man on the Edge
Tailgunner
Be Quick
No Prayer
Seventh Son
The Legacy

Encore:
Moonchild
Infinite Dreams
Fear of the Dark

PS: We can choose songs that are never released or played live before, right? :tup


Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on May 08, 2015, 02:09:53 PM
Nope you have to choose from existing live releases
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on May 08, 2015, 02:55:55 PM
But En Vivo contains 6 tracks that appeared on Live After Death....so you have to replace them with...well...SOMETHING.   :angel:

Yeah but... one of those is Iron Maiden. They would never, not in a billion years, play a concert or release a live album that did not include that song.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 08, 2015, 02:58:30 PM
Nope you have to choose from existing live releases
:tdwn ;)

So here we go:

Wicker Man
The Ghost of Navigator
The Final Frontier
El Dorado
Remember Tormorrow
The Prisioner
Still Life
Where Eagles Dare
Paschendale
Dream of Mirrors
Wasted Years
Killers
Tailgunner
Be Quick
The Clairvoyant
Seventh Son
The Evil that Men Do

Encore:
Moonchild
Infinite Dreams
Fear of the Dark
Prowler

Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ozzy554 on May 10, 2015, 09:10:27 AM
I was listening to what has been released from Diannos new project Architects of Chaoz. To be honest I'm liking what I'm hearing so far. Now if he would get his ass in shape and work on his live performances that would be great.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 10, 2015, 03:59:46 PM
We can dream... a lot? :biggrin:

Wicker Man
Montesgur
Paschendale
Brighter than a thousand suns
Where Eagles Dare
Caugh Somewhere in Time
Wasted Years
Killers
Sign of the Cross
Man on the Edge
Ghost of Navigator
Tailgunner
Be Quick
No Prayer
Seventh Son
Mother Russia
The Legacy

Encore:
Moonchild
Infinite Dreams
Fear of the Dark


I know this isn't really following the rules, but I'd kill a rabbi with a pork chop to see this live.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 11, 2015, 08:33:57 AM
While we're dreaming...

Moonchild
Different World
Brave New World
Can I Play With Madness
El Dorado
Rainmaker
Wasted Years
Blood Brothers
Brighter Than 1000 Suns
Mother of Mercy
Paschendale
Stranger In  A Strange Land
Isle of Avalon
The Evil That Men Do
The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg
Heaven Can Wait
~~~
The Wicker Man
Wildest Dreams
Fear of the Dark
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 11, 2015, 09:14:25 AM
Let's explore the dreamstate a bit further:

Murders in the Rue Morgue
Die With Your Boots On
The Loneliness Of A Long Distance Runner
Purgatory
22 Acacia Avenue
To Tame A Land
Where Eagles Dare
Caught Somewhere In Time
Still Life
Lord Of The Flies
Only The Good Die Young
Alexander The Great

~~~~

Man On The Edge
The Prisoner
Stranger In A Strange Land

~~~~

Reach Out
Black Bart Blues
Doctor Doctor (UFO Cover)

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on May 11, 2015, 09:04:47 PM
^ I especially love how you have them playing Still Life twice! :tup
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 12, 2015, 12:05:13 AM
Oups  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on May 12, 2015, 12:25:47 AM
Black Bart Blues huh? ;D
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 12, 2015, 12:48:18 AM
There's so many songs on that list they'd never play live anyway so I thought, why not BBB!?  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: aurorablind on May 12, 2015, 05:21:11 AM
While dreaming:


Caught Somewhere in Time
The Wicker Man
Invaders
Look for the Truth
Remember Tomorrow
Mother of Mercy
Infinite Dreams
Montségur
No Prayer for the Dying
Isle of Avalon
Killers
To Tame a Land
Iron Maiden

~~Encore~~
Be Quick or Be Dead
Hallowed Be Thy Name
Paschendale


(Added Iron Maiden and Hallowed for "realism" :P)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Polarbear on May 12, 2015, 05:32:17 AM
Ok.  Let's play a game. 

What is your ultimate Live After Death 2???

Sounds like fun!

Sign Of The Cross
The Wicker Man
Brave New World
Rainmaker
El Dorado
Dream Of Mirrors
Heaven Can Wait
Infinite Dreams
Paschendale
22 Acacia Avenue
Powerslave
The Clansman
Wastes Years
Moonchild
Flight Of The Icarus
The Clairvoyant


Encore:
Can I Play With Madness
Run To The Hills
Killers
Phantom Of The Opera
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 12, 2015, 08:26:01 AM
All those crazy setlists just make me remember that Maiden have SO MANY great songs never played live.... and never will :'(
In fact, many of them were played live in some tour and, after that, almost totally forgotten.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2015, 08:36:37 AM
All those crazy setlists just make me remember that Maiden have SO MANY great songs never played live.... and never will :'(
In fact, many of them were played live in some tour and, after that, almost totally forgotten.

This is a sad truth
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 12, 2015, 04:22:53 PM
Let's have a go at this LAD2.  I'm not counting the bonus disc, those songs are up for grabs;

Sign of the Cross
Where Eagles Dare
22 Acacia Avenue
Be Quick or Be Dead
Brave New World
Rainmaker
The Talisman
Still Life
Infinite Dreams
Paschendale
Total Eclipse
Prowler
Remember Tomorrow
Seventh Son of A Seventh Son
The Evil That Men Do
Fear of the Dark

Encore;

Tailgunner
Murders in the Rue Morgue
The Prisoner
Phantom of the Opera
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 12, 2015, 04:51:46 PM
All those crazy setlists just make me remember that Maiden have SO MANY great songs never played live.... and never will :'(
In fact, many of them were played live in some tour and, after that, almost totally forgotten.
Yea it's really sad.

I found this list on http://maidenfans.com/tours, can't confirm how current it is because it only streches to BNW, don't think any of these songs have been played on recent tours though.

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Songs played live by Iron Maiden:

Iron Maiden
All

Killers
All except “Prodigal Son.”

The Number of the Beast
All except “Gangland.”

Piece of Mind
All except “Quest For Fire” and “Sun AndSteel.”
“To Tame A Land” has been played live but a live recording has never been released.

Powerslave
All except “Flash of the Blade”, “The Duellists”, and “Back in the Village.”

Somewhere in Time
All except “Deja-Vu”, and “Alexander the Great.”

Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
“Only the Good Die Young” and “The Prophecy” not played.

No Prayer for the Dying
All except “Fates Warning”, “Run Silent Run Deep”, “Mother Russia”.

Fear of the Dark
All except “Fear Is They Key”, “Childhood’s End”, “The Fugitive”, “Chains Of Misery”, “The Apparition”, “Judas Be My Guide”, and “Weekend Warrior.”

The X Factor
All except “Look For The Truth”, “Judgement Of Heaven”, “2 AM” and “Unbeliever”.

Virtual XI
All except “Como Estais Amigos”

Brave New World
All except “The Nomad” and “The Thin Line between Love & Hate.

Played non-album songs:

Women in Uniform
Invasion
I’ve Got The Fire
Total Eclipse
Burning Ambition

Unplayed non-album songs:

Virus

I wonder if there's a particular reason why they never have played Only The Good Die Young, always thought that song would be a killer live. The same with Alexander The Great, such a great epic imo.
Interesting that they actually have played To Tame A Land, had no idea.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 12, 2015, 05:21:04 PM
I'm sure I've heard bootleg of To Tame a Land live ???

EDIT: Yep, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPL1an3xIno

I guess its talking about official releases :lol

Double EDIT: That video is killer.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 12, 2015, 05:24:34 PM
I think a good list would be, songs they played on the tour for support of the new album that were never played again.  That list would be very large I think.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 12, 2015, 06:06:57 PM
I'm pretty sure that looks accurate, but it's ruling out songs that have only been played a couple of times too.  If you add in songs that have only been played a handful of times or only on it's current represented album tour, like Sea of Madness, Silent Planet or Fallen Angel, the list would be bigger.  I didn't know they have played Invaders or Long Distance Runner live.




Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: CharlesPL on May 12, 2015, 06:13:05 PM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 13, 2015, 02:06:26 AM
I'm sure I've heard bootleg of To Tame a Land live ???

EDIT: Yep, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPL1an3xIno

I guess its talking about official releases :lol

Double EDIT: That video is killer.
Awesome man!  :tup

Also edit: Seriously, sounds awesome. Bruce have trouble with the high notes though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2015, 05:18:54 AM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)

Yeah, I thought Invaders has never been played, and Distance Runner must not have worked well live at all.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 13, 2015, 05:26:28 AM
I'm sure I've heard bootleg of To Tame a Land live ???

EDIT: Yep, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPL1an3xIno

I guess its talking about official releases :lol

Double EDIT: That video is killer.
Awesome man!  :tup

Also edit: Seriously, sounds awesome. Bruce have trouble with the high notes though.

Yeah, he's struggling there!  Its amazing how his voice and range actually improved over the years.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 13, 2015, 05:32:55 AM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)

Yeah, I thought Invaders has never been played, and Distance Runner must not have worked well live at all.
Funny you mention, I just listened to the audio and yea as with TTAL Bruce stuggles alot but according to the poster they removed it from the setlist because it ruined the flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-P_Lt6R00
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 13, 2015, 05:39:15 AM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)

Yeah, I thought Invaders has never been played, and Distance Runner must not have worked well live at all.
Funny you mention, I just listened to the audio and yea as with TTAL Bruce stuggles alot but according to the poster they removed it from the setlist because it ruined the flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-P_Lt6R00

That's weird, it's one of their most cracking underrated songs.  Nothing wrong with that recording at all IMO, sounds great and the band performed it really well, a shame.

Speaking of TTAL, it was wise to not continue that on future tours.  Bruce not hitting the money note really kills the climax.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2015, 06:20:18 AM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)

Yeah, I thought Invaders has never been played, and Distance Runner must not have worked well live at all.

I was thinking Invaders wasnt played either, but I assumed I was wrong. 

I do recall Bruce teasing the Greece crowd some years ago saying they would play Alexander the Great.  Seems very unlikely now that it will ever be played.  In fact, the history of the band shows that if they didn't play a song during the promotion of the album tour then they never will play it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on May 13, 2015, 06:51:24 AM
I found this list on http://maidenfans.com/tours, can't confirm how current it is because it only streches to BNW, don't think any of these songs have been played on recent tours though.

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Songs played live by Iron Maiden:

Iron Maiden
All

Killers
All except “Prodigal Son.”

The Number of the Beast
All except “Gangland.”

Piece of Mind
All except “Quest For Fire” and “Sun AndSteel.”
“To Tame A Land” has been played live but a live recording has never been released.

Powerslave
All except “Flash of the Blade”, “The Duellists”, and “Back in the Village.”

Somewhere in Time
All except “Deja-Vu”, and “Alexander the Great.”

Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
“Only the Good Die Young” and “The Prophecy” not played.

No Prayer for the Dying
All except “Fates Warning”, “Run Silent Run Deep”, “Mother Russia”.

Fear of the Dark
All except “Fear Is They Key”, “Childhood’s End”, “The Fugitive”, “Chains Of Misery”, “The Apparition”, “Judas Be My Guide”, and “Weekend Warrior.”

The X Factor
All except “Look For The Truth”, “Judgement Of Heaven”, “2 AM” and “Unbeliever”.

Virtual XI
All except “Como Estais Amigos”

Brave New World
All except “The Nomad” and “The Thin Line between Love & Hate.

Played non-album songs:

Women in Uniform
Invasion
I’ve Got The Fire
Total Eclipse
Burning Ambition

Unplayed non-album songs:

Virus


Wow, that list suprised me A LOT! I didn't know Maiden played many of those songs live! :o
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 13, 2015, 06:58:50 AM
They never played Invaders live, Distance Runner only once in Serbia (
then yugoslavia)

Yeah, I thought Invaders has never been played, and Distance Runner must not have worked well live at all.
Funny you mention, I just listened to the audio and yea as with TTAL Bruce stuggles alot but according to the poster they removed it from the setlist because it ruined the flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-P_Lt6R00

That's weird, it's one of their most cracking underrated songs.  Nothing wrong with that recording at all IMO, sounds great and the band performed it really well, a shame.

Speaking of TTAL, it was wise to not continue that on future tours.  Bruce not hitting the money note really kills the climax.
Yea it's definitly a underrated songs, lots of cool melodies and the intro was awesome live.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on May 13, 2015, 03:36:31 PM
I found this list on http://maidenfans.com/tours, can't confirm how current it is because it only streches to BNW, don't think any of these songs have been played on recent tours though.

That's accurate, and unless Maiden makes a MAJOR break from tradition, it always will be.

What tradition? Iron Maiden has NEVER not played a song on the supporting tour for its album and then played the song on a later tour. Never. If a Maiden song misses its first chance to be played live, it will probably never see the stage.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 14, 2015, 02:28:33 AM
Damn, there goes my hopes of hoping they play Mother of Mercy or Starblind.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on May 14, 2015, 04:48:28 AM
I found this list on http://maidenfans.com/tours, can't confirm how current it is because it only streches to BNW, don't think any of these songs have been played on recent tours though.

That's accurate, and unless Maiden makes a MAJOR break from tradition, it always will be.

What tradition? Iron Maiden has NEVER not played a song on the supporting tour for its album and then played the song on a later tour. Never. If a Maiden song misses its first chance to be played live, it will probably never see the stage.

And that's a darn shame. When I got into Maiden, I got into them much thanks to Dance of Death and Brave New World. Some of those songs, like Paschendale and Dance of Death, I would put up there among Maiden's best. Would love to hear those live again, but chances feel slim.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 14, 2015, 05:14:03 AM
I'd say out of the later stuff, both DOD and Pasch have a very good chance to be played live again.  DOD was even part of TFF tour.  The band seem really content playing a lot more material from the last four albums.  Actually minus AMOLAD.
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Post by: Mladen on May 14, 2015, 05:45:55 AM
I had the chance to catch them on a brief European tour in 2010 and saw them play Benjamin Breeg and These colors don't run. It was fantastic to see some AMOLAD songs. That was one hell of a set list, two thirds were the songs from Brave new world onward and I really appreciated it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on May 14, 2015, 05:47:02 AM
I remember when they played AMOLAD in its entirety. That was awesome.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 14, 2015, 08:00:22 AM
Ya know, I never got why people liked DOD so much (the song I mean).  Its so cheesy. I'd be happy never to hear that live again.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on May 14, 2015, 10:54:41 AM
Ya know, I never got why people liked DOD so much (the song I mean).  Its so cheesy. I'd be happy never to hear that live again.

Eh, I've always liked it. It's an eerie ghost story of a song, plus it played a part in my discovering Ingmar Bergman and his film, "The Seventh Seal." :tup

That said, there's really no denying that the best song off that album is Paschendale. :hefdaddy

I remember when they played AMOLAD in its entirety. That was awesome.

I don't, because I didn't become a fan of the band until after that album cycle ended. :(

It's a tough call between SSoaSS and AMoLaD as Maiden's best album, I think. Both are such killer works!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on May 14, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
I remember when they played AMOLAD in its entirety. That was awesome.

I'm surprised that was never released. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2015, 06:31:58 AM
I remember when they played AMOLAD in its entirety. That was awesome.

I'm surprised that was never released. 

That was awesome, and I doubt any performance of the full album live ever gets released.  As far as I know, only the Download show was filmed and that show was not the full album performance.  The actual album was recorded in a way to give it more of a live sound and feel and I assume the band is content with that, but I wish there was a secret awesome pro shot concert they have in the vault somewhere.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 15, 2015, 09:30:59 AM
From Facebook:


We are very happy to announce that following his recent MRI Scan, Bruce was today officially given the all-clear by his specialists.

Bruce says,

“I would like to thank the fantastic medical team who have been treating me for the last few months, resulting in this amazing outcome. It’s been tough on my family and in many ways it was harder for them than me. I’d also like to send a heartfelt thanks to all our fans for their kind words and thoughts. I’m a firm believer in trying to maintain a positive attitude, and the encouragement from the global Maiden family meant a great deal to me. Right now, I’m feeling extremely motivated and can’t wait to get back to business as usual, as soon as I can!”


Rod Smallwood continues,

“We are of course all absolutely delighted that Bruce’s doctors have pronounced him free of cancer. Although Bruce is naturally eager to resume Maiden activities, it will take a while before he is completely back to full strength, as we explained previously. Because of this, the band will not be touring or playing any shows until next year. We know our fans will understand the situation and, like us, would prefer to wait until Bruce is back to his usual indefatigable levels of fitness before going out on the road.

For now, the focus will be on putting the finishing touches to the new Iron Maiden studio album and that is what we will be concentrating on over the coming weeks. The release however will definitely be this year. Meanwhile, I’d like to echo Bruce’s words and thank all Maiden fans. You have been incredibly patient, putting Bruce’s health and well-being first during this difficult time and the band and I appreciate all your positive support.”
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: theseoafs on May 15, 2015, 09:43:59 AM
 :metal :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 15, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
Awesome news for Bruce!!!

and


AWESOME NEWS ON AN ALBUM THIS YEAR!!!  :metal :metal :metal  I guess that confirms the suspicion that they had an album ready before the cancer.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Jaq on May 15, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
Great news about Bruce: figures the guy would be already raring to go, I have no idea where he gets the energy to perform the way he does. New album is just icing on the cake.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on May 15, 2015, 10:32:24 AM
Excellent news!
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Post by: jjrock88 on May 15, 2015, 12:31:31 PM
Good to hear!
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Post by: TAC on May 15, 2015, 12:33:00 PM
Now that's a win-win.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 15, 2015, 04:14:52 PM
That made my day, amazing news.  And a new album is done, oh hell yeah!!  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on May 16, 2015, 03:55:55 AM
That's the news we've all been waiting to hear.  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on May 16, 2015, 03:25:19 PM
I'd say out of the later stuff, both DOD and Pasch have a very good chance to be played live again.  DOD was even part of TFF tour.  The band seem really content playing a lot more material from the last four albums.  Actually minus AMOLAD.
The fact that they dropped Pasch from the TFF tour (after a few pretty shaky performances) makes me think they'll never attempt it again. Maiden aren't really a band to step out of their comfort zone, that applies to setlists too. They tend to shy away from songs that are tricky live.

DoD I'm sure will be back though. That one always seems to go down well.
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Post by: Counselor of Prog on May 16, 2015, 10:37:40 PM
Most excellent news.  Bruce Bruce is running free, ya! Running free!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 17, 2015, 03:23:50 AM
I'd say out of the later stuff, both DOD and Pasch have a very good chance to be played live again.  DOD was even part of TFF tour.  The band seem really content playing a lot more material from the last four albums.  Actually minus AMOLAD.
The fact that they dropped Pasch from the TFF tour (after a few pretty shaky performances) makes me think they'll never attempt it again. Maiden aren't really a band to step out of their comfort zone, that applies to setlists too. They tend to shy away from songs that are tricky live.

DoD I'm sure will be back though. That one always seems to go down well.

Oh, I didn't know that.  If that was the case, you're right, they will probably never bother with it again.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2015, 10:13:34 AM
I'd say out of the later stuff, both DOD and Pasch have a very good chance to be played live again.  DOD was even part of TFF tour.  The band seem really content playing a lot more material from the last four albums.  Actually minus AMOLAD.
The fact that they dropped Pasch from the TFF tour (after a few pretty shaky performances) makes me think they'll never attempt it again. Maiden aren't really a band to step out of their comfort zone, that applies to setlists too. They tend to shy away from songs that are tricky live.

DoD I'm sure will be back though. That one always seems to go down well.

Oh, I didn't know that.  If that was the case, you're right, they will probably never bother with it again.

Yup, when that tour started Brighter Than A Thousand Suns was on the set and then was scrapped for Paschendale which was then scrapped for Wrathchild  :facepalm:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on May 17, 2015, 10:50:34 AM
Actually, Brighter was immediately replaced by Wrathchild, while they actually went back and forth with Dance of death and Paschendale for a while before deciding to go with the former for the rest of the tour.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on May 17, 2015, 11:12:40 AM
Yea. Huge bummer, BTATS and Paschendale were two of the best songs on the set. The latter being way better than DoD imo.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 17, 2015, 03:46:32 PM
Wrathchild has always been the when in doubt, go to song.  To bad it's 5 minutes shorter than the other songs.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 17, 2015, 03:51:11 PM
They should put Ides of March in front of it live.  So awesome.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on May 17, 2015, 05:16:31 PM
Wrathchild has always been the when in doubt, go to song.  To bad it's 5 minutes shorter than the other songs.
It's a good song and was admittedly a much needed refresher on that tour after 2 newer songs. It really got the audience pumped. Still sucks having to miss out on BTATS though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on May 17, 2015, 08:39:52 PM
It is good, but so safe.  There are plenty of other older tracks the band could crack out that would get the crowd going just as much.

They should put Ides of March in front of it live.  So awesome.

If they did this though, I'd let it in the setlist any day of the week.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on May 21, 2015, 05:25:19 AM
A pretty cool mashup of The Wicker Man and The Hellion/Electric Eye (Judas Priest).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=120&v=HXBb9oRfhkg
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Post by: TAC on May 29, 2015, 03:37:09 PM
On the anniversary, Bravewords reposted this article from the BNW era.
http://bravewords.com/features/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-on-brave-new-world-strangely-we-suddenly-appear-to-be-the-hippest-thing-on-the-planet
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 29, 2015, 05:08:27 PM
Great read!
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Post by: jjrock88 on May 29, 2015, 09:08:25 PM
cool read
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Post by: Anguyen92 on May 29, 2015, 09:21:25 PM
Favorite part of the read so far for me.

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Steve and I are amused and bemused by the constant rumors that we hate each other or we're trying to kill each other and can't exist in the same room together etc., etc., etc. Get this, the French said that Janick and Adrian obviously hate each other because they don't look at each other on stage and then they said that me and Steve didn't touch each other enough. I don't want to fuck him!"

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Post by: Mladen on May 30, 2015, 02:31:09 AM
That was fantastic, such an interesting read after 15 years.  :metal
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 30, 2015, 04:01:50 AM
LOL, this is indeed not recommended:

Bruce crashes in: "You can tell I was obviously having a good time during rehearsals cause me and Jan were paralyzed every night after rehearsal. We'd come back in and go out and do that Belgian beer thing, it's like 8.5%, you know! And there ain't nothin' else to do, so we'd just go out to a blues club till four. It's dangerous you know, it's tough out there I'll tell ya."     
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 30, 2015, 04:07:28 AM
   "We were going to finish up in Long Beach Arena," he says gleefully. "'Scream for me Long Beach,' it's gotta be done, hasn't it? (laughs). I do it every night anyway as it is. I never had a catch phrase before."   
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Post by: Zydar on June 18, 2015, 09:54:01 AM
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/20996_10152858767897051_8504180159185829641_n.jpg?oh=70a527345348914a210a062e89b038ee&oe=56300943)

The Book Of Souls, coming September 4th.

Double album!

1. If Eternity Should Fail (Dickinson) 8:28
2. Speed Of Light (Smith/ Dickinson) 5:01
3. The Great Unknown (Smith/ Harris) 6:37
4. The Red And The Black (Harris) 13:33
5. When The River Runs Deep (Smith/ Harris) 5:52
6. The Book Of Souls (Gers/ Harris) 10:27
Disc 2
7. Death Or Glory (Smith/ Dickinson) 5:13
8. Shadows Of The Valley (Gers/ Harris) 7:32
9. Tears Of A Clown (Smith/ Harris) 4:59
10. The Man Of Sorrows (Murray/ Harris) 6:28
11. Empire Of The Clouds (Dickinson) 18:01
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Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2015, 09:58:05 AM
More info from facebook

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The Book Of Souls - coming September 4th.
IRON MAIDEN’s eagerly awaited new studio album The Book Of Souls will be released globally on 4th September through Parlophone Records (Sanctuary Copyrights/BMG in the U.S.A.). It was recorded in Paris with their longstanding producer Kevin “Caveman” Shirley in late 2014, with the finishing touches added earlier this year. However, the band decided to delay its release so that vocalist Bruce Dickinson, who was recently given the all-clear from a tumour, would have time to recuperate sufficiently to join in the preparations for the album’s launch.
The stunning cover art was created by Mark Wilkinson who has worked with the band previously, and because this 11 track album has a total running time of 92 minutes, it is IRON MAIDEN’s first ever double studio album. There’s a broader split on the song-writing compared to previous Maiden records, with bassist and founder member Steve Harris contributing to seven of the tracks; 6 of them with Maiden’s guitarists and one sole composition. This is also the first time since 1984’s Powerslave that an IRON MAIDEN studio album also features two tracks written solely by Bruce Dickinson, one of which is the longest song Maiden has ever recorded! And also two Dickinson/Smith collaborations.
Steve comments,
“We approached this album in a different way to how we’ve recorded previously. A lot of the songs were actually written while we were there in the studio and we rehearsed and recorded them straight away while they were still fresh, and I think that immediacy really shows in the songs, they have almost a live feel to them I think. I’m very proud of The Book Of Souls, we all are, and we can’t wait for our fans to hear it, and especially to take it out on the road next year!”
Bruce continues,
“We’re really excited about The Book Of Souls and had a fantastic time creating it. We started working on the album in late summer 2014 and recorded it at Guillame Tell Studios in Paris, where we’d done the Brave New World album back in 2000 so the studio holds special memories for all of us. We were delighted to discover the same magical vibe is still alive and very much kicking there! So we immediately felt at home and the ideas just started flowing. By the time we’d finished we all agreed that each track was such an integral part of the whole body of work that if it needed to be a double album, then double its going to be!”
The full tracklisiting is:

Track listing:
Disc 1
1. If Eternity Should Fail (Dickinson) 8:28
2. Speed Of Light (Smith/ Dickinson) 5:01
3. The Great Unknown (Smith/ Harris) 6:37
4. The Red And The Black (Harris) 13:33
5. When The River Runs Deep (Smith/ Harris) 5:52
6. The Book Of Souls (Gers/ Harris) 10:27
Disc 2
7. Death Or Glory (Smith/ Dickinson) 5:13
8. Shadows Of The Valley (Gers/ Harris) 7:32
9. Tears Of A Clown (Smith/ Harris) 4:59
10. The Man Of Sorrows (Murray/ Harris) 6:28
11. Empire Of The Clouds (Dickinson) 18:01
Formats:
2CD deluxe hardbound book limited edition
2CD standard edition
Triple heavyweight black vinyl
High res audio (24-bit Mastered for ITunes and non-Mastered for iTunes)
Standard res audio (16 bit/ 44.1 kHz)

The Book Of Souls is the band’s 16th studio album since their eponymous debut in 1980 charted at #4 in the UK, in a career achieving sales of over 90 million albums worldwide. Their previous album, 2010’s The Final Frontier was Maiden’s most successful chart-wise to date, reaching Number One in 28 countries and was their highest chart debut in the U.S reaching #4 in the Billboard 200.
Due to Bruce’s illness the band had to delay touring plans but promise to be out on the road again early next year, giving time for Bruce to make a full physical recovery to be ready for the rigours of Maiden live performances.
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Post by: Art on June 18, 2015, 10:07:40 AM
Awesome news! :metal

The only funny part is another "man of sorrows" in Bruce´s career  :laugh:
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Post by: Zantera on June 18, 2015, 10:34:58 AM
TFF was a bit of a disappointment (after AMOLAD was one of their best), but I would say the second half was great (some songs even better than that), it was the first half that was mostly meh. I am really interested in this. Maiden doing an 18 minute song? Sign me up!
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Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on June 18, 2015, 10:48:20 AM
Can't even contain my excitement at this point. Best news I've heard all day! :metal
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Post by: bosk1 on June 18, 2015, 10:56:28 AM
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Post by: PolarizeMe on June 18, 2015, 10:56:53 AM
Holy :censored!
I certainly did not expect this to be a double album but man am I super excited for this album!  :metal
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 18, 2015, 11:16:48 AM
DOUBLE!!!! Yeaaaaaaaazzz  :metal Up the Irons!!!
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Post by: Deathless on June 18, 2015, 11:17:14 AM
18-minute song written by Bruce!  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: TAC on June 18, 2015, 11:23:32 AM
Empire Of The Clouds!!!!
Double CD!!!!

Dream Theater are you paying attention?

Fuck WWRD. It's WWIMD!!!

I am so psyched!!!! Just sat down for lunch at work. Don't know how I'll concentrate the rest of the day.

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Post by: Evermind on June 18, 2015, 11:24:16 AM
This is bloody awesome. :metal
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Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
Im really digging the track titles as well.  I dont really put much into them, but they are really cool titles.  Same with the album title.  The artwork, eh I cant say I care for it, but I get it that we aren't going to see the same style anymore since they stopped using their artist (cant recall his name, Riggs?)
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Post by: Zydar on June 18, 2015, 11:34:44 AM
Im really digging the track titles as well.  I dont really put much into them, but they are really cool titles.  Same with the album title.  The artwork, eh I cant say I care for it, but I get it that we aren't going to see the same style anymore since they stopped using their artist (cant recall his name, Riggs?)

Derek Riggs, yeah.
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Post by: devieira73 on June 18, 2015, 11:46:13 AM
Wow, really great news! I'm glad they returned to the same studio where it was recorded BNW. IMO the best instruments sounding was achieved in that record. Also very cool that two songs are written only by Bruce (included the biggest Maiden epic! :omg:) and the strong presence of Adrian in the credits.  :tup
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Post by: Anguyen92 on June 18, 2015, 11:47:41 AM
Omg, omg.  So sick.  92 min., double album, 18 min. song.  Hold me, baby!  Well, safe to say that it seems like they are going all-in on this one with this 16th studio album.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
Wow, really great news! I'm glad they returned to the same studio where it was recorded BNW. IMO the best instruments sounding was achieved in that record. Also very cool that two songs are written only by Bruce (included the bigger Maiden epic! :omg:) and the strong presence of Adrian in the credits.  :tup

Totally agree about the BNW sound, that is my favorite sounding IM album.  And the credits give me lots of reasons to believe the songs will be awesome.
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Post by: mikemangioy on June 18, 2015, 11:59:48 AM
I think I'm in love  :hefdaddy
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 18, 2015, 12:33:03 PM
All kinds of awesome!! Two Smith/Dickinson collab is also all kinds of awesome!  :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on June 18, 2015, 12:50:44 PM
Outstanding news! 18 minute song, wow!
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Post by: Polarbear on June 18, 2015, 01:19:58 PM
Sounds great! Can't wait to hear that 18 minute epic.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on June 18, 2015, 01:56:32 PM
This got me very excited.

An 18-minute epic? Maiden going full-on prog? A double disc? Maiden just got to deliver and they will do so  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

And I really like the stripped down cover.

So come on September 4th.
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Post by: wolfking on June 18, 2015, 03:52:18 PM
This is just fucking fabulous, words can't fully describe!!  :hefdaddy

The cover at first I wasn't so sure, but looking at it more, I think it serves its purpose.  Reminds me of a Blaze era type cover though for some reason.
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Post by: adace on June 18, 2015, 04:21:32 PM
One of my most anticipated albums of the year :metal
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Post by: ozzy554 on June 18, 2015, 04:57:24 PM
I'm definitely pre-ordering this one.

I like the artwork, its simple and eddie actually looks like eddie. I do think it could've used a background though.
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Post by: jammindude on June 18, 2015, 08:59:40 PM
This is just fucking fabulous, words can't fully describe!!  :hefdaddy

The cover at first I wasn't so sure, but looking at it more, I think it serves its purpose.  Reminds me of a Blaze era type cover though for some reason.

Minus the grotesque factor, he's kindof "blocked" the same way as he was on TXF, so that may be what's sparking a memory.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 18, 2015, 09:41:17 PM
This is just fucking fabulous, words can't fully describe!!  :hefdaddy

The cover at first I wasn't so sure, but looking at it more, I think it serves its purpose.  Reminds me of a Blaze era type cover though for some reason.

Minus the grotesque factor, he's kindof "blocked" the same way as he was on TXF, so that may be what's sparking a memory.

I'm honestly getting flashbacks both of TXF and Bruce's The Chemical Wedding. I'm hoping it's a darker-sounding album in the vein of those works. I'm especially excited to hear both of Bruce's two songs, as he's probably my personal favorite songwriter in the band. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that "If Eternity Should Fail" ends up dealing with similar lyrical themes as "Starblind" does. :drool:
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 19, 2015, 01:53:06 AM
Only two Gets songs in a double album is a plus. Eddie looks like Eddie again - and is REALLY well drawn!!!
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Post by: Counselor of Prog on June 19, 2015, 03:48:24 AM
Outstanding news! 18 minute song, wow!

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!  :metal
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Post by: Mladen on June 19, 2015, 04:53:00 AM
This was circling around the web as a rumor yesterday and I immediately yelled out "fake". I didn't want to believe anything until it was announced on ironmaiden.com. I can't describe how stupid I feel now that the supposedly fake news is up on their website.  :lol

Bring it on, this is extremely exciting. The fourth of September will be the date of the year.  :metal
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 19, 2015, 05:20:52 AM
This was circling around the web as a rumor yesterday and I immediately yelled out "fake". I didn't want to believe anything until it was announced on ironmaiden.com. I can't describe how stupid I feel now that the supposedly fake news is up on their website.  :lol

Bring it on, this is extremely exciting. The fourth of September will be the date of the year.  :metal

I still remember when the rumours surfaced in 1999 that Maiden's then new album was to be called " Majesty of Gaia".
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Post by: wolfking on June 19, 2015, 06:32:50 AM
This is just fucking fabulous, words can't fully describe!!  :hefdaddy

The cover at first I wasn't so sure, but looking at it more, I think it serves its purpose.  Reminds me of a Blaze era type cover though for some reason.

Minus the grotesque factor, he's kindof "blocked" the same way as he was on TXF, so that may be what's sparking a memory.

Yes, you're right, it does bring TXF cover to mind now that you mention it.

Only two Gets songs in a double album is a plus. Eddie looks like Eddie again - and is REALLY well drawn!!!

I find his songrwriting some of the strongest of the reunion era.

This was circling around the web as a rumor yesterday and I immediately yelled out "fake". I didn't want to believe anything until it was announced on ironmaiden.com. I can't describe how stupid I feel now that the supposedly fake news is up on their website.  :lol

Bring it on, this is extremely exciting. The fourth of September will be the date of the year.  :metal

I still remember when the rumours surfaced in 1999 that Maiden's then new album was to be called " Majesty of Gaia".

Twist of Fate was another one I believe.
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Post by: devieira73 on June 19, 2015, 06:50:21 AM
Only two Gets songs in a double album is a plus. Eddie looks like Eddie again - and is REALLY well drawn!!!
I get why Janick is seen as the weaker guitar player on Maiden, his performances in studio and more so live are kind of messy… but he always written some really cool tunes: be quick or be dead, man on the edge, the unbeliever, ghost of the navigator, dream of mirrors... and IMO montségur and the legacy are two of the best songs ever written by Maiden.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 19, 2015, 07:22:08 AM
 :tup :tup to The Legacy, a top 5 IM song for me.
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Post by: faizoff on June 19, 2015, 10:19:35 AM
Yea no doubt Gers writes some amazing tunes, his playing live is sometimes iffy but then again he looks like he's having a blast on stage.
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Post by: cramx3 on June 19, 2015, 10:33:23 AM
Yea no doubt Gers writes some amazing tunes, his playing live is sometimes iffy but then again he looks like he's having a blast on stage.

Yea, he is really fun to watch just cause he is so active on stage.  I would imagine it is hard to play perfect while running, jumping, and throwing your guitar in the air.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 19, 2015, 11:16:07 AM
Janick gets a lot of unnecessary flack. He's not the best guitarist in the band, that'd obviously be Adrian, but you can tell he's passionate about what he does for the band. Gotta respect that.

I'm really curious to see what sort of direction the band went in this time around. It definitely seems like it'll be a darker album, if the cover is anything to go by, which is normally the case for IM covers.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 19, 2015, 11:19:35 AM
Um...pretty much all of Maiden's covers are dark.  (as in, they convey a dark message) 
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 19, 2015, 11:23:46 AM
Um...pretty much all of Maiden's covers are dark.  (as in, they convey a dark message)

Oh certainly, but I mean "dark" in relation to the band's music itself. This album cover is reminiscent of the artwork for The X Factor and A Matter of Life and Death, tonally speaking. Those albums are noted for being considerably more brooding than other albums by the band.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 19, 2015, 04:11:47 PM
When it comes to Gers, I find that the rule of thumb is that if you've been a Maiden fan before 1988 (like me), there's a good chance you don't like him, regardless of his stage performance, his good compositions or passional about the band. I don't care what this guy does, he'll always stick out like a sore thumb to me.
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Post by: wolfking on June 19, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
When it comes to Gers, I find that the rule of thumb is that if you've been a Maiden fan before 1988 (like me), there's a good chance you don't like him, regardless of his stage performance, his good compositions or passional about the band. I don't care what this guy does, he'll always stick out like a sore thumb to me.

I think with this line of thinking, which is common I know towards Janick, that's the fans issue for not embracing that the band changed.  Adrian left and they needed a replacement.  When Bruce rejoined, he wanted Adrian to rejoin too, and I'm glad they kept Janick, it would have been wrong IMO to boot him out for Adrian.
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Post by: TAC on June 19, 2015, 04:22:15 PM
When it comes to Gers, I find that the rule of thumb is that if you've been a Maiden fan before 1988 (like me), there's a good chance you don't like him, regardless of his stage performance, his good compositions or passional about the band. I don't care what this guy does, he'll always stick out like a sore thumb to me.

Rod, I'm an old fan too, and I can't disagree with you, but I believe the Gers is an integral part of today's Maiden. He's a big part of the great chemistry this band has in the Reunion era.
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Post by: wolfking on June 19, 2015, 04:27:05 PM
Yeah, he needs to be there.  His songwriting adds another dimension to the reunion albums, which IMO is a great thing.
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Post by: Dream Team on June 19, 2015, 09:27:08 PM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\
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Post by: jammindude on June 19, 2015, 10:21:13 PM
For me, Iron Maiden is kindof that band that is so good at "that one thing" that it's almost not fair.   Because they've ruined it for everyone else that has tried to do what they invariably perfected.    True, it is just "that one thing"...but they do it so well that no one else can compete. 
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Post by: Counselor of Prog on June 20, 2015, 02:36:13 AM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Yeah, they "jumped the shark" for those suffering from Attention Deficit Disorder.  ::)
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Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2015, 03:21:54 AM
I think we can all agree that there will likely be long intros and outros, but I wouldn't use the term "jumping the shark" to describe that.  I do hope they get more creative, but what really long songs do not have long intros and outros?  I just hope they aren't all acoustic.  If you take out the 18 minute song, the rest of the average song lengths seem like they may be less than the last two albums (I didnt do the math so I could be wrong).
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 20, 2015, 03:27:58 AM
Don´t think I´ve been this excited for an upcoming Maiden release in a Long, long time....
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 20, 2015, 04:29:23 AM
So excited gadddamn
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 20, 2015, 04:45:10 AM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Yeah, they "jumped the shark" for those suffering from Attention Deficit Disorder.  ::)

I've got ADHD (admittedly a bit of a difference from ADD though) and I still love their prog era! :metal :tup
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Post by: Counselor of Prog on June 20, 2015, 06:23:14 AM
 :metal

I have mild OCD, and still love their entire catalog!! I re-experienced an affinity for prog starting earlier this year (Flying Colors, Neal Morse, Transatlantic, DT ((Duh!!)), IM), so this is merely a natural musical evolution revolution!!  :tup
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Post by: Scorpion on June 20, 2015, 08:33:43 AM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Let's wait to hear the songs, yeah? I mean, I'm surprised by the song lengths too, so it's not impossible that they will surprise me again with the actual content of the songs. It's possible you're right, but why call it jumping the shark if you don't even know what the songs will sound like?
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Post by: ozzy554 on June 20, 2015, 09:11:28 AM
Only two Gets songs in a double album is a plus. Eddie looks like Eddie again - and is REALLY well drawn!!!
I get why Janick is seen as the weaker guitar player on Maiden, his performances in studio and more so live are kind of messy… but he always written some really cool tunes: be quick or be dead, man on the edge, the unbeliever, ghost of the navigator, dream of mirrors... and IMO montségur and the legacy are two of the best songs ever written by Maiden.

The talisman is also really good, its one of my favorite songs from TFF
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 20, 2015, 09:23:57 AM
Janick's best song with Maiden, imo, is The Legacy. One of my personal favorites off AMoLaD.  :hefdaddy
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Post by: Mladen on June 20, 2015, 12:18:58 PM
I personally find Gers to be the best songwriter of the reunion era. Pretty much all of his songs are excellent.
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Post by: Zantera on June 20, 2015, 12:21:06 PM
The Legacy is a top5 Maiden song for me.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 20, 2015, 12:23:43 PM
I personally find Gers to be the best songwriter of the reunion era. Pretty much all of his songs are excellent.

Janick is a great songwriter, but I think Bruce and H are still the best songwriters in the band. :tup

The Legacy is a top5 Maiden song for me.

:metal :tup :hefdaddy
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Post by: Dream Team on June 20, 2015, 08:49:10 PM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Let's wait to hear the songs, yeah? I mean, I'm surprised by the song lengths too, so it's not impossible that they will surprise me again with the actual content of the songs. It's possible you're right, but why call it jumping the shark if you don't even know what the songs will sound like?

Uh, recent past history? So either even more extended intros, or choruses that repeat a zillion times. I would LOVE to be proven wrong.
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Post by: Zook on June 20, 2015, 09:23:17 PM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Let's wait to hear the songs, yeah? I mean, I'm surprised by the song lengths too, so it's not impossible that they will surprise me again with the actual content of the songs. It's possible you're right, but why call it jumping the shark if you don't even know what the songs will sound like?

Uh, recent past history? So either even more extended intros, or choruses that repeat a zillion times. I would LOVE to be proven wrong.

This is exactly the problem with Modern Maiden, and why I stopped listening to their new stuff. I couldn't even make it through TFF, and it completely baffles me that AMOLAD gets so much praise. Brave New World is no different, but at least the songs were well written enough that I could give it a pass. Sure, the lazy repeated choruses were a thing in the 80s as well, but again, the songs were well written, and weren't a Fear of the Dark mellow intro, heavy middle, repeated chorus times infinity, solos solos solos, repeated chorus times infinity plus one, mellow outro. It's like if every modern Dream Theater song was written like Endless Sacrifice.

I'm going to give the album a shot, but if it's the same old crap, I'm done for good.
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Post by: jammindude on June 20, 2015, 09:35:24 PM
Man, I really want it to be good but I think they jumped the shark with those song lengths. I expect the acoustic intros and outros to be 5 minutes apiece instead of the usual 2.  :-\

Let's wait to hear the songs, yeah? I mean, I'm surprised by the song lengths too, so it's not impossible that they will surprise me again with the actual content of the songs. It's possible you're right, but why call it jumping the shark if you don't even know what the songs will sound like?

Uh, recent past history? So either even more extended intros, or choruses that repeat a zillion times. I would LOVE to be proven wrong.

This is exactly the problem with Modern Maiden, and why I stopped listening to their new stuff. I couldn't even make it through TFF, and it completely baffles me that AMOLAD gets so much praise. Brave New World is no different, but at least the songs were well written enough that I could give it a pass. Sure, the lazy repeated choruses were a thing in the 80s as well, but again, the songs were well written, and weren't a Fear of the Dark mellow intro, heavy middle, repeated chorus times infinity, solos solos solos, repeated chorus times infinity plus one, mellow outro. It's like if every modern Dream Theater song was written like Endless Sacrifice.

I'm going to give the album a shot, but if it's the same old crap, I'm done for good.

Actually, the reasons you mentioned were exactly the reason I *DID* love AMOLAD.   I didn't hit a song that repeated the same phrase eight times until 3/4ths of the way through the album.    It was incredibly refreshing.    And yes, there was some of the "formula" there, but it wasn't as in your face as the rest of the reunion albums.   I still think it stands out among all of them.    TBH (we're blood brothers) I can't figure (we're blood brothers) why BNW (we're blood brothers) gets so much attention.














































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Post by: 425 on June 20, 2015, 11:03:48 PM
Actually, the reasons you mentioned were exactly the reason I *DID* love AMOLAD.   I didn't hit a song that repeated the same phrase eight times until 3/4ths of the way through the album.    It was incredibly refreshing.    And yes, there was some of the "formula" there, but it wasn't as in your face as the rest of the reunion albums.   I still think it stands out among all of them.

The Final Frontier is the same way. Yes, there's the final frontier, the final frontier, the final frontier, the final frontier, but then that's it with the endlessly repeated lines for the whole album.

Iron Maiden has basically spent at least the past two decades of studio albums perfecting the transition of their style of music into a full-on prog metal context. They naturally evolved into a proto-prog style in 1988 for Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, but I think that scared Harris at the time which resulted in that little diversion into No Prayer for the Dying which continued over into much of Fear of the Dark. The X Factor is the first album of what I would call the modern era of Iron Maiden, and it's really been a progression from there with 'Arry and the guys becoming more ambitious and trying to figure out how to be a prog metal act while still being Iron Maiden.

Virtual XI is evidence of some of the hiccups that came with that transition (though I still think it's a solid album), and, yes, to some extent Brave New World had similar problems, though these were lessened by the addition of Bruce and H and the high quality of songwriting across the board, despite the repetition. Dance of Death is just overall not as good as BNW from a songwriting perspective, though there definitely are gems. But on these last two albums I think they've really come into their own in their current style, which is still easily recognizable as Maiden but much more ambitious and proggy than, say Piece of Mind. I'd definitely rate AMOLAD and TFF as among the best albums of their discography, with TFF maybe being my favorite Maiden album (I think TFF has slightly better songwriting than AMOLAD—The Longest Day meanders a bit and I'm not a huge Out of the Shadows fan).

That's why I'm really excited for this new album. It seems like yet another attempt by this band to be more ambitious as musicians and to continue to tweak and perfect their little 20 year foray into prog. The presence of three 10-minute-plus songs and a smattering of shorter tracks as well is quite exciting, to me. What other band would write a song equally as long as the longest song of their career AND one five minutes longer than that for their 16th studio album? I'm not nearly as big of a Maiden fan as I once was, and I rarely listen to them anymore, but I am definitely anticipating the release of this record.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2015, 04:22:47 PM
I will say that "Empire of the Clouds" should be a very interesting experiment for the band, considering that it's coming from Bruce and not Steve or Adrian. While he's really the "heaviest" member in the band, Bruce also is openly a fan of some of prog rock/metal's more obscure and creatively interesting bands out there (i.e. Van Der Graaf Generator, Arthur Brown, Atomic Rooster and Jethro Tull).

In comparison, Steve is a lot more "traditional" in his influences, such as UFO and Genesis. That's not at all slight against him, I just think we all know what an eighteen minute long epic from Steve would probably sound like. With Bruce, I think it's possible that we're in for some strange and interesting stuff.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 22, 2015, 06:10:24 PM
Virtual XI seems like a collection of leftovers which were left over from a leftovers album.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 22, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
I will say that "Empire of the Clouds" should be a very interesting experiment for the band, considering that it's coming from Bruce and not Steve or Adrian. While he's really the "heaviest" member in the band, Bruce also is openly a fan of some of prog rock/metal's more obscure and creatively interesting bands out there (i.e. Van Der Graaf Generator, Arthur Brown, Atomic Rooster and Jethro Tull).

In comparison, Steve is a lot more "traditional" in his influences, such as UFO and Genesis. That's not at all slight against him, I just think we all know what an eighteen minute long epic from Steve would probably sound like. With Bruce, I think it's possible that we're in for some strange and interesting stuff.

I agree with this. 

I'm most excited about is that there is a 4 songs where Steve has no involvement.  Two Bruce solo and two Smth/Dickinson.  Now that gets me going.  Not a knock on Steve but as you said, bodes for some variety.
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Post by: Nick on June 22, 2015, 06:27:52 PM
Virtual XI seems like a collection of leftovers which were left over from a leftovers album.

:lol This is a beautiful description of that album.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2015, 06:30:51 PM
I will say that "Empire of the Clouds" should be a very interesting experiment for the band, considering that it's coming from Bruce and not Steve or Adrian. While he's really the "heaviest" member in the band, Bruce also is openly a fan of some of prog rock/metal's more obscure and creatively interesting bands out there (i.e. Van Der Graaf Generator, Arthur Brown, Atomic Rooster and Jethro Tull).

In comparison, Steve is a lot more "traditional" in his influences, such as UFO and Genesis. That's not at all slight against him, I just think we all know what an eighteen minute long epic from Steve would probably sound like. With Bruce, I think it's possible that we're in for some strange and interesting stuff.

I agree with this. 

I'm most excited about is that there is a 4 songs where Steve has no involvement.  Two Bruce solo and two Smth/Dickinson.  Now that gets me going.  Not a knock on Steve but as you said, bodes for some variety.

Exactly. Plus, as a huge fan of Bruce as a solo artist and as a songwriter in general, I'm curious to hear what are seemingly his two most ambitious songs ever (I don't think Bruce has ever single-handedly written a song that's as long as "If Eternity Should Fail," much less "Empire of the Clouds"). The fact that Bruce's songs both open and close the album bode well for how strong they are, I think. It probably took something very impressive for Steve to let Bruce take the focus away from his usual "solo-written" epic and the usual Maiden opener.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 22, 2015, 06:31:00 PM
In that case, BNW contained four leftover tracks from that leftovers of a leftover album.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2015, 06:32:27 PM
In that case, BNW contained four leftover tracks from that leftovers of a leftover album.

Speaking of BNW, I'm curious to see if TBoS will end up having a similar "sound" to that album. It's arguably Maiden's best sounding record, even if the songwriting itself hasn't held up.
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Post by: wolfking on June 22, 2015, 06:34:39 PM
I will say that "Empire of the Clouds" should be a very interesting experiment for the band, considering that it's coming from Bruce and not Steve or Adrian. While he's really the "heaviest" member in the band, Bruce also is openly a fan of some of prog rock/metal's more obscure and creatively interesting bands out there (i.e. Van Der Graaf Generator, Arthur Brown, Atomic Rooster and Jethro Tull).

In comparison, Steve is a lot more "traditional" in his influences, such as UFO and Genesis. That's not at all slight against him, I just think we all know what an eighteen minute long epic from Steve would probably sound like. With Bruce, I think it's possible that we're in for some strange and interesting stuff.

I agree with this. 

I'm most excited about is that there is a 4 songs where Steve has no involvement.  Two Bruce solo and two Smth/Dickinson.  Now that gets me going.  Not a knock on Steve but as you said, bodes for some variety.

Exactly. Plus, as a huge fan of Bruce as a solo artist and as a songwriter in general, I'm curious to hear what are seemingly his two most ambitious songs ever (I don't think Bruce has ever single-handedly written a song that's as long as "If Eternity Should Fail," much less "Empire of the Clouds"). The fact that Bruce's songs both open and close the album bode well for how strong they are, I think. It probably took something very impressive for Steve to let Bruce take the focus away from his usual "solo-written" epic and the usual Maiden opener.

Good call here.  Since the reunion Steve has been involved in the songwriting of every song bar New Frontier.  What you mentioned here definitely says something.  And you can't go wrong with the Smith/Dickinson tag either.  Damn, I'm so pumped for this.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 22, 2015, 06:35:41 PM
In that case, BNW contained four leftover tracks from that leftovers of a leftover album.

Speaking of BNW, I'm curious to see if TBoS will end up having a similar "sound" to that album. It's arguably Maiden's best sounding record, even if the songwriting itself hasn't held up.

I disagree with the songwriting, it's still one of my favs, but I agree with the production, a wonderful sounding album.  I just hope this new one is better sounding than DOD and TFF.
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Post by: TAC on June 22, 2015, 06:38:03 PM
There's some good stuff on VXI.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2015, 06:43:55 PM
In that case, BNW contained four leftover tracks from that leftovers of a leftover album.

Speaking of BNW, I'm curious to see if TBoS will end up having a similar "sound" to that album. It's arguably Maiden's best sounding record, even if the songwriting itself hasn't held up.

I disagree with the songwriting, it's still one of my favs, but I agree with the production, a wonderful sounding album.  I just hope this new one is better sounding than DOD and TFF.

It's a great album, no doubt, but I need to hear it again to see if my opinion on it has changed (again). :lol It's been awhile since I last gave it a spin.

Well, it seems like reunion-era Maiden has this habit of releasing a "classic" album with great overall work and production (BNW, AMoLaD), then following it up with a shoddy sounding album that has multiple knock-out high points (Paschendale, Rainmaker, DoD, Starblind, Coming Home, Isle of Avalon, When the Wild Wind Blows). So, if nothing else, I'm thinking/hoping we get a better production this time around.

Someone over at MaidenFan forums said they got to hear the title track recently via a promo disk due to their record label connections. Apparently he only got to hear it once, but he thought that it had a very "live" sounding production and that the songwriting felt like a continuation from TFF. Dunno if he was telling the truth or not, but I figured it was worth sharing.
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Post by: TAC on June 22, 2015, 06:56:09 PM
Any comparison to TFF (the album) is good news!
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 22, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
Any comparison to TFF (the album) is good news!

True, but then again, this is just one song and a song from one of the more predictable songwriting teams in Maiden (Harris/Gers). It'll be great, no doubt about that, but I'm curious to see what Bruce and H have come up with on their own, without having Steve come in and arranging the songs in a more "Maiden-esque" manner.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 22, 2015, 08:09:08 PM
In that case, BNW contained four leftover tracks from that leftovers of a leftover album.

Speaking of BNW, I'm curious to see if TBoS will end up having a similar "sound" to that album. It's arguably Maiden's best sounding record, even if the songwriting itself hasn't held up.

I disagree with the songwriting, it's still one of my favs, but I agree with the production, a wonderful sounding album.  I just hope this new one is better sounding than DOD and TFF.

It's a great album, no doubt, but I need to hear it again to see if my opinion on it has changed (again). :lol It's been awhile since I last gave it a spin.

Well, it seems like reunion-era Maiden has this habit of releasing a "classic" album with great overall work and production (BNW, AMoLaD), then following it up with a shoddy sounding album that has multiple knock-out high points (Paschendale, Rainmaker, DoD, Starblind, Coming Home, Isle of Avalon, When the Wild Wind Blows). So, if nothing else, I'm thinking/hoping we get a better production this time around.

Someone over at MaidenFan forums said they got to hear the title track recently via a promo disk due to their record label connections. Apparently he only got to hear it once, but he thought that it had a very "live" sounding production and that the songwriting felt like a continuation from TFF. Dunno if he was telling the truth or not, but I figured it was worth sharing.

Dunno if I like the sound of that.  Even though TFF was great, I thought it was pretty loppy in parts.  I'm hoping for something a bit tighter.  Depends if he means the production or performances themselves.  They have been going for that live feel thing since BNW.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 22, 2015, 08:23:29 PM
^ I thought the same thing. 

I don't love TFF, and part of the reason I was so excited for this album was that even just the artwork seemed to hint to a return to a more darker theme.

I don't want to keep fucking around in deep space.

I don't want a NPFTD -> FOTD rehash, I want a fuckeeeen... I dunno.... NOTB -> POM axis of awesome. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 23, 2015, 05:57:46 AM
Speed of Light single out on August 14.

Also, this man is a god;

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-visits-music-therapy-center-in-london/
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Post by: Zydar on June 23, 2015, 06:25:22 AM
I bet "Empire Of The Clouds" is some kind of aviation story, since it's all Bruce :P

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sm1-SHP2L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 23, 2015, 06:53:54 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-visits-music-therapy-center-in-london/

<3 what a legend
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 23, 2015, 07:07:21 AM
I bet "Empire Of The Clouds" is some kind of aviation story, since it's all Bruce :P

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sm1-SHP2L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

I thought about that, but I really don't know if there's a way to make an interesting eighteen minute long song about that sort of thing. :lol I suppose it's doable. Just seems weird, even for Bruce.

I'm thinking both "If Eternity Should Fail" and "Empire of the Clouds" might be lyrical continuations of the stuff that Bruce was dabbling about with on "Starblind" (i.e. questioning of faith, mortality, criticizing organized religion).
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Post by: TAC on June 23, 2015, 07:48:11 AM
I bet "Empire Of The Clouds" is some kind of aviation story, since it's all Bruce :P

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sm1-SHP2L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Good call!
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Post by: 425 on June 23, 2015, 10:24:17 AM
I thought about that, but I really don't know if there's a way to make an interesting eighteen minute long song about that sort of thing. :lol I suppose it's doable. Just seems weird, even for Bruce.

I'm thinking both "If Eternity Should Fail" and "Empire of the Clouds" might be lyrical continuations of the stuff that Bruce was dabbling about with on "Starblind" (i.e. questioning of faith, mortality, criticizing organized religion).

pls IM

Starblind is easily in my top 5 both musically and lyrically.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Art on June 23, 2015, 10:33:11 AM
Speed of Light single out on August 14.

Also, this man is a god;

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-visits-music-therapy-center-in-london/

good guy bruce  :metal

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Post by: Mladen on June 23, 2015, 12:30:28 PM
I'm thinking both "If Eternity Should Fail" and "Empire of the Clouds" might be lyrical continuations of the stuff that Bruce was dabbling about with on "Starblind" (i.e. questioning of faith, mortality, criticizing organized religion).
That would be fantastic, Starblind was tremendous lyrically. I can't wait for the single.  :metal

And yeah, that Bruce related news is wonderful. It's great how Bruce isn't really involved in the social media and he can't go "hey, look what I just did, I'm a true humanitarian" - he's not doing it for publicity, he's doing it because he's a good guy indeed.
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Post by: jjrock88 on June 24, 2015, 01:00:44 AM
Speed of Light single out on August 14.

Also, this man is a god;

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-visits-music-therapy-center-in-london/

good guy bruce  :metal
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Post by: djbj on June 24, 2015, 04:30:36 PM
I'm thinking both "If Eternity Should Fail" and "Empire of the Clouds" might be lyrical continuations of the stuff that Bruce was dabbling about with on "Starblind" (i.e. questioning of faith, mortality, criticizing organized religion).

Well thankfully no metal band has ever dared to try questioning organized religion before.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 24, 2015, 06:13:28 PM
I'm thinking both "If Eternity Should Fail" and "Empire of the Clouds" might be lyrical continuations of the stuff that Bruce was dabbling about with on "Starblind" (i.e. questioning of faith, mortality, criticizing organized religion).

Well thankfully no metal band has ever dared to try questioning organized religion before.

It's not an unexplored topic in rock/metal, I know, but it's something that Bruce seems to be fond of and I just get the impression that it's a likely possibility that at least one of those two songs will be dealing with the subject lyrically.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 24, 2015, 10:20:51 PM
has anyone done a top 100 maiden songs list?  my bro just sent me his and I'm gonna do one now.
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Post by: Scorpion on June 24, 2015, 11:50:08 PM
There's a thread for different people doing Top 25 Maiden songs.

http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36365.0
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 25, 2015, 01:18:48 AM
Ah right, that was during my hiatus.
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Post by: wolfking on June 25, 2015, 05:14:34 AM
Feel free to resurrect the thread bro.
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Post by: Dream Team on June 26, 2015, 03:59:46 PM
Good thing Dickinson recorded all his vocals before the cancer scare; if not that would have seriously delayed the release date.
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Post by: wolfking on June 26, 2015, 04:02:21 PM
Seems like he got the cancer scare not long after they finished at all, if not during the end.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 26, 2015, 04:24:46 PM
Good thing Dickinson recorded all his vocals before the cancer scare; if not that would have seriously delayed the release date.

Indeed. From the sound of his voice during the performances at Rock Am Ring and Sonisphere last year, I'm thinking Bruce should sound pretty fine on the album, if perhaps not quite as great as he did on TFF. Depends on how patient he and the band were with getting his vocals right.

Seems like he got the cancer scare not long after they finished at all, if not during the end.

Indeed. I'm curious to see how he holds up on the tour next year. I'm sure most folks will understand if he's not quite back vocally, considering the treatments he had to have gone through.
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Post by: wolfking on June 26, 2015, 04:48:16 PM
Hopefully it calls for a more obscure and varied setlist, more custome made to Bruce's vocals.  We don't want to hear the usual songs if Bruce has to struggle.  Do some other songs that are more suited for Bruce's lower end, not so high.

Or, I know 'Arry has always refused to, but detune.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on June 26, 2015, 04:52:24 PM
Hopefully it calls for a more obscure and varied setlist, more custome made to Bruce's vocals.  We don't want to hear the usual songs if Bruce has to struggle.  Do some other songs that are more suited for Bruce's lower end, not so high.

Or, I know 'Arry has always refused to, but detune.

Agreed. However, I'm not even sure which songs in the Maiden catalogue are really suited for Bruce's lower voice in that sort of way. Even when singing Paul's and Blaze's songs, he usually sings them in his own more operatic manner.
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Post by: Mosh on June 26, 2015, 06:36:56 PM
Yea that could open the door to some possible Blaze tunes, too bad they'll probably never play from that era again though.
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Post by: jammindude on June 26, 2015, 06:42:46 PM
I was really excited when I first heard that Bruce had done The Sign of the Cross...but I was a bit mixed on the final product.   The song itself is still incredible, but it seemed to me like maybe they played it just a bit faster (???) and Bruce didn't really sing it with the same "conviction" that Blaze did.     Man....I freakin LOVE that song...
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Post by: 425 on June 26, 2015, 07:41:30 PM
Sign of the Cross is AMAZING. It's always been one of my favorite Maiden songs and it's really held up. I first heard it on Rock In Rio, and Bruce does it pretty well. I agree, jammin, that Blaze has a bit more conviction on it. Probably the only Blaze era song where I don't have a strongly preferred singer. And it's just a spectacular song. It has my very favorite Dave Murray solo. Would love to have it show up live just one more time.
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Post by: jjrock88 on June 26, 2015, 07:55:54 PM
It would be cool to bring one or two Blaze era songs out of the vault
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 26, 2015, 08:07:22 PM
Yeah, "Como Estais Amigos" needs to be played...

































NOT!!!!!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 26, 2015, 08:42:36 PM
Hey, that's an awesome song.

I was really excited when I first heard that Bruce had done The Sign of the Cross...but I was a bit mixed on the final product.   The song itself is still incredible, but it seemed to me like maybe they played it just a bit faster (???) and Bruce didn't really sing it with the same "conviction" that Blaze did.     Man....I freakin LOVE that song...

I wonder if the 'conviction' thing just comes down to the fact that the song is pretty much a walk in the park for Bruce's register, whereas it sounded like Blaze was literally singing for his life in the chorus. 
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Post by: 425 on June 26, 2015, 09:04:29 PM
Como Estais is a nice song. But I'd rather see them pull out Blood On the World's Hands, Edge of Darkness or When Two Worlds Collide. Or even an abbreviated version of The Angel and the Gambler (pipe dream, I know).
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 26, 2015, 09:06:46 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the single edit of Angel and the Gambler is all good.  I'd take that in me setlist any day of the week, over Iron Maiden, Fear of the Dark, Run to the Hills or Running Free or The Trooper or any of those other 'signature' songs that should've been axed from the list years ago.
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Post by: 425 on June 26, 2015, 09:16:20 PM
:tup

It really is sad the way things turned out with The Angel and the Gambler. It's a really good 5-6 minute song. There's a lot of great songwriting in there, just that the decision to take it out to 9 minutes killed any chance it ever had of being popular. I will say that they'll never drop Iron Maiden. They haven't played a show without it in 40 years and they won't start now. I think Fear of the Dark could take some time off, as could Run to the Hills and Running Free. The Trooper can stick around as far as I'm concerned, but TAATG definitely deserves a go. Won't get it, but it deserves it.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 26, 2015, 09:20:10 PM
You wouldn't drop Iron Maiden?  I dont know that Ive ever enjoyed that song haha
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Post by: 425 on June 26, 2015, 09:24:10 PM
I've honestly never thought about whether I'd drop Iron Maiden because you simply can't. The band simply never will not play it. They've played it in every show ever. It's a staple of the set. It's always the last song before the encore, and it is always going to be. It's not that great of a song, but I almost don't even think of it as a song, just as an aspect of their live show.

So, I guess my answer is no. I would not drop Iron Maiden. It is so integral to their live show that a Maiden concert without the title song would simply feel wrong.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 26, 2015, 09:25:29 PM
I definitely see where you're coming from, and totally agree, but I'd still drop the shit out of it given the chance. 
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Post by: jammindude on June 26, 2015, 10:20:56 PM
I've never seen Iron Maiden live....but when I do, I would not have my heart broken if they dropped RttH or The Trooper.    Running Free and IM have audience participation aspects of them that I wouldn't want to miss out on.   (seems a bit like a 'rite of passage' at an IM show now)

But now that I've discovered AMOLAD, I am so bummed that I missed that tour.   May have been second best tour since the PS tour.   
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 26, 2015, 10:53:54 PM
I've never seen Iron Maiden live....but when I do, I would not have my heart broken if they dropped RttH or The Trooper.    Running Free and IM have audience participation aspects of them that I wouldn't want to miss out on.   (seems a bit like a 'rite of passage' at an IM show now)

But now that I've discovered AMOLAD, I am so bummed that I missed that tour.   May have been second best tour since the PS tour.

Same, though I would've wanted to go to one of the shows on the European leg where they actually played the whole album live. I seem to recall that they changed up the setlist once they went stateside, but I'm not sure.
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Post by: 425 on June 26, 2015, 11:10:21 PM
I've never seen Iron Maiden live....but when I do, I would not have my heart broken if they dropped RttH or The Trooper.    Running Free and IM have audience participation aspects of them that I wouldn't want to miss out on.   (seems a bit like a 'rite of passage' at an IM show now)

But now that I've discovered AMOLAD, I am so bummed that I missed that tour.   May have been second best tour since the PS tour.

I've only seen Maiden live once, on the Maiden England tour back in 2012. I got both RTTH and The Trooper. I feel like The Trooper is more essential than RTTH (I couldn't even remember for sure if they'd played RTTH until I just checked, while I definitely remembered The Trooper). Iron Maiden is absolutely vital and I'd have been confused if they hadn't played that.

What really killed me was missing Hallowed Be Thy Name. I get that they play that every tour and wanted to give it one time off, but man, that was not a fun one to miss.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 27, 2015, 04:00:27 AM
I've only seen Maiden live once, on the Maiden England tour back in 2012. I got both RTTH and The Trooper. I feel like The Trooper is more essential than RTTH (I couldn't even remember for sure if they'd played RTTH until I just checked, while I definitely remembered The Trooper). Iron Maiden is absolutely vital and I'd have been confused if they hadn't played that.

What really killed me was missing Hallowed Be Thy Name. I get that they play that every tour and wanted to give it one time off, but man, that was not a fun one to miss.

I actually didn't mind not getting Hallowed Be Thy Name when I saw them in 2013, because I got two other, much rarer epics out of it: Phantom of the Opera and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. The latter of which I actually have pretty much always ranked notably higher on my list of favorite Maiden songs than Hallowed and I think Phantom moved past it in recent years too. I do hope that I get to hear Hallowed live next time around though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2015, 06:23:26 AM
I've never seen Iron Maiden live....but when I do, I would not have my heart broken if they dropped RttH or The Trooper.    Running Free and IM have audience participation aspects of them that I wouldn't want to miss out on.   (seems a bit like a 'rite of passage' at an IM show now)

But now that I've discovered AMOLAD, I am so bummed that I missed that tour.   May have been second best tour since the PS tour.

Same, though I would've wanted to go to one of the shows on the European leg where they actually played the whole album live. I seem to recall that they changed up the setlist once they went stateside, but I'm not sure.

Nope,we got the entire album in the states as well, which was an amazing show.
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Post by: Mister Gold on June 27, 2015, 03:31:14 PM
Nope,we got the entire album in the states as well, which was an amazing show.

 :| Oh...

 :(
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on June 27, 2015, 07:24:08 PM
Not many tours I regret missing more than AMOLAD. It didn't come anywhere near me. AMOLAD is one of my favorite albums too. Sucks even more that they didn't make a dvd.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 28, 2015, 09:34:28 AM
Not sure if this been posted but:

What's your Maiden moment? (http://www.nordoff-robbins.org.uk/news/whats-your-maiden-moment?utm_source=MaidenMoment&utm_medium=Socials&utm_campaign=Maiden%20Moment)

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The winner will receive a replica of the red “Trooper” jacket worn by Maiden vocalist Bruce Dickinson, signed by him and a Limited Edition vinyl picture discs of the first 8 Iron Maiden albums packaged in gatefold sleeves and housed in a (Black) Collector’s Box4.
The runner up will receive a Limited Edition black vinyl discs of the first 8 Iron Maiden albums.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 28, 2015, 12:23:07 PM
Not many tours I regret missing more than AMOLAD. It didn't come anywhere near me. AMOLAD is one of my favorite albums too. Sucks even more that they didn't make a dvd.

It'll come out eventually. The only tour they haven't recordes is Somewhere on Tour.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 28, 2015, 04:18:03 PM
Not sure if this been posted but:

What's your Maiden moment? (http://www.nordoff-robbins.org.uk/news/whats-your-maiden-moment?utm_source=MaidenMoment&utm_medium=Socials&utm_campaign=Maiden%20Moment)

Quote
The winner will receive a replica of the red “Trooper” jacket worn by Maiden vocalist Bruce Dickinson, signed by him and a Limited Edition vinyl picture discs of the first 8 Iron Maiden albums packaged in gatefold sleeves and housed in a (Black) Collector’s Box4.
The runner up will receive a Limited Edition black vinyl discs of the first 8 Iron Maiden albums.

First 8 albums?  That seems weird to stop at NPFTD.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on June 28, 2015, 07:03:47 PM
Not many tours I regret missing more than AMOLAD. It didn't come anywhere near me. AMOLAD is one of my favorite albums too. Sucks even more that they didn't make a dvd.

It'll come out eventually. The only tour they haven't recordes is Somewhere on Tour.
Hopefully, Maiden can be weird with their dvd releases so it's hard to tell what they have planned.

Did they film shows from the leg where they played the whole album though? I know they filmed Donington 07 but that didn't contain the whole album.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 28, 2015, 08:06:06 PM
Not many tours I regret missing more than AMOLAD. It didn't come anywhere near me. AMOLAD is one of my favorite albums too. Sucks even more that they didn't make a dvd.

It'll come out eventually. The only tour they haven't recordes is Somewhere on Tour.
Hopefully, Maiden can be weird with their dvd releases so it's hard to tell what they have planned.

Did they film shows from the leg where they played the whole album though? I know they filmed Donington 07 but that didn't contain the whole album.

I'm sure they did.  I'm even positive there was talks from the band that they were going to release a DVD of the tour at the time, I'm sure.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2015, 09:23:36 AM
I've honestly never thought about whether I'd drop Iron Maiden because you simply can't. The band simply never will not play it. They've played it in every show ever. It's a staple of the set. It's always the last song before the encore, and it is always going to be. It's not that great of a song, but I almost don't even think of it as a song, just as an aspect of their live show.

That was my first thought when I saw that group of songs listed as well.  They will never drop Iron Maiden. 

But what is the story with Running Free?  I have not been a fan long enough to know.  Yeah, it looks fun in a live setting.  But it's really not that great a song.  And I am not aware of any special significance that it has.  Why do they ALWAYS play that one?
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Post by: Dream Team on June 29, 2015, 09:41:50 AM
I've honestly never thought about whether I'd drop Iron Maiden because you simply can't. The band simply never will not play it. They've played it in every show ever. It's a staple of the set. It's always the last song before the encore, and it is always going to be. It's not that great of a song, but I almost don't even think of it as a song, just as an aspect of their live show.

That was my first thought when I saw that group of songs listed as well.  They will never drop Iron Maiden. 

But what is the story with Running Free?  I have not been a fan long enough to know.  Yeah, it looks fun in a live setting.  But it's really not that great a song.  And I am not aware of any special significance that it has.  Why do they ALWAYS play that one?

Unfortunately, I think one reason is laziness. Don't have to rehearse it, easy vocals, etc. Mostly in there for audience participation.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2015, 09:45:03 AM
I've honestly never thought about whether I'd drop Iron Maiden because you simply can't. The band simply never will not play it. They've played it in every show ever. It's a staple of the set. It's always the last song before the encore, and it is always going to be. It's not that great of a song, but I almost don't even think of it as a song, just as an aspect of their live show.

That was my first thought when I saw that group of songs listed as well.  They will never drop Iron Maiden. 

But what is the story with Running Free?  I have not been a fan long enough to know.  Yeah, it looks fun in a live setting.  But it's really not that great a song.  And I am not aware of any special significance that it has.  Why do they ALWAYS play that one?

Unfortunately, I think one reason is laziness. Don't have to rehearse it, easy vocals, etc. Mostly in there for audience participation.

Probably, it is kind of a fun last song though, but obviously id rather something different.  IM doesn't need anymore setlist standard songs, they have enough.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ozzy554 on June 29, 2015, 09:58:14 AM
I'd be happy with whatever they choose to play. I Just hope they keep revelations in the set
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Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
I do wonder if they will play any TFF songs on the next tour though since the USA didn't get any of those songs besides El Durado. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on June 29, 2015, 11:13:35 AM
Not many tours I regret missing more than AMOLAD. It didn't come anywhere near me. AMOLAD is one of my favorite albums too. Sucks even more that they didn't make a dvd.

It'll come out eventually. The only tour they haven't recordes is Somewhere on Tour.
Hopefully, Maiden can be weird with their dvd releases so it's hard to tell what they have planned.

Did they film shows from the leg where they played the whole album though? I know they filmed Donington 07 but that didn't contain the whole album.

I'm sure they did.  I'm even positive there was talks from the band that they were going to release a DVD of the tour at the time, I'm sure.
I remember that too. They were referring to Donington 07, it was mixed, mastered and everything, not sure why they didn't release it. I never heard any talks of the 06 leg being filmed.

I think the best thing to do (though I don't see this happening) is release a Donington box set: 1988, 1992, 2007. Throw the 90s history of doc in there, some bonus footage (probably lots of bits and pieces from the 90s) and you'd have a great set.

I do wonder if they will play any TFF songs on the next tour though since the USA didn't get any of those songs besides El Durado. 
I really hope so. I want another 00s heavy set, loved that in 2010. If they were to do TFF material that isn't El Dorado, I'd wager on Coming Home (almost a sure thing) and When the Wild Wind Blows.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2015, 11:35:24 AM
I personally doubt they ever play WTWWB ever again, just based on their history of not replaying epics and the lack of setlist time once they include the new songs. If there was one song from TFF I'd like to see that they have played would be that though
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 29, 2015, 11:38:13 AM
But what is the story with Running Free?  I have not been a fan long enough to know.  Yeah, it looks fun in a live setting.  But it's really not that great a song.  And I am not aware of any special significance that it has.  Why do they ALWAYS play that one?

I agree with the whole it's a pretty simple song to get good audience participation and it's a pretty good song for Bruce to introduce the band while they are playing it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on June 29, 2015, 11:46:14 AM
They did Dance of Death on the TFF tour, so I don't think it's out of the question. Even Sign of the Cross and The Clansman were kind of staples for awhile. WTWWB is a relatively easy song to play live, especially for Bruce who will possibly want to take it a bit easier after the cancer treatments anyway. I'm not a fan of making fake set lists but if they did a 00s heavy set again I'd guess these songs:

Six songs from the new album (the 18 minute track seems unlikely, will probably be the title track and Red and the Black instead for epics)
When the Wild Wind Blows
Coming Home
El Dorado
Ben Breeg (I could also see These Colours, Different World or possibly Out of the Shadows)
Rainmaker (making a hopeful prediction here, Wildest Dreams may be more likely)
Brave New World (a sure thing)
Wicker Man
Then the rest classics
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on June 29, 2015, 03:44:04 PM
I do wonder if they will play any TFF songs on the next tour though since the USA didn't get any of those songs besides El Durado.

That blows.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
I do wonder if they will play any TFF songs on the next tour though since the USA didn't get any of those songs besides El Durado.

That blows.

While it does, we did get more of the other reunion era songs instead which made for a better overall setlist IMO, but it sucks that we didnt get a proper TFF tour.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on July 01, 2015, 07:56:43 AM
It's out today the Kerrang with Steve Harris on the cover. Did anybody here read the article? Is there any commentary or review about The Book of Souls? Thanks!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on July 01, 2015, 06:32:17 PM
Someone scanned the whole thing over at maidenfans: http://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/new-album-the-book-of-souls-official-pre-release-thread.31236/page-43#post-519558
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 01, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
Damn, you have to be a member to view the images.
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Post by: Mosh on July 01, 2015, 07:51:44 PM
Ah that sucks. I'll download them and upload to imgur.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mosh on July 01, 2015, 07:57:01 PM
http://imgur.com/a/GzB22

Uploaded in reverse order on accident, so first page is on bottom.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 01, 2015, 08:21:49 PM
Thanks man, you're a champ.

They are really talking up Empire here.  Seems like we could be in for a treat.  Steve is quite tight lipped on details too, but seems very proud of the album.

I seriously can't wait for it.  Still 8 weeks away!
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Post by: TAC on July 02, 2015, 06:08:58 AM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: devieira73 on July 02, 2015, 07:28:33 AM
http://imgur.com/a/GzB22

Uploaded in reverse order on accident, so first page is on bottom.
Thank you so much!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 02, 2015, 08:52:20 AM
Man, I really can't wait for this album! I wonder if we'll get to hear the piano on "Empire" at all, since Bruce composed the song on one?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on July 02, 2015, 01:06:52 PM
Man, I really can't wait for this album! I wonder if we'll get to hear the piano on "Empire" at all, since Bruce composed the song on one?

I was wondering that myself
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 02, 2015, 02:45:03 PM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!

also pumped!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 02, 2015, 07:32:41 PM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!

also pumped!

pumping right now
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 02, 2015, 07:48:58 PM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!

also pumped!

pumping right now

who isnt pumped?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on July 02, 2015, 08:24:52 PM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!

also pumped!

pumping right now

who isnt pumped?

Are you trying to make sure no one is being left out of being pumped?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 02, 2015, 08:36:18 PM
exactly.  just taking a pumped roll call
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 02, 2015, 08:51:57 PM

I seriously can't wait for it. 
You have no idea!! I'm so pumped!

also pumped!

pumping right now

(http://www.ucl.ac.uk/slade/degree2010/ug/philliparniechest.gif)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Big Hath on July 02, 2015, 09:49:16 PM
(http://media.giphy.com/media/O0Vgy3LtNeFtm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Big Hath on July 02, 2015, 09:52:05 PM
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrhwn4vT0r1qedru2o1_400.gif)
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Post by: Big Hath on July 02, 2015, 09:54:22 PM
last one (for now . . .)

(http://media.giphy.com/media/Xb9q0u6s1fogE/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Cyclopssss on July 03, 2015, 03:16:38 AM
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hqY5woMdv4A/hqdefault.jpg)

Pumpin´ it up
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 03, 2015, 08:23:38 AM
AAAHHHHNOOOOLD!!! 

AAAAHHHHNOOOOLLLD!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on July 04, 2015, 06:52:40 AM
Didn't it originally get hyped as a "track by track" preview?  :lol Journalistic integrity at its finest.

You heard it hear first:

The red and the black
The red and the blaaaack
The red and the black
The red and the blaaaack
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bl5150 on July 04, 2015, 07:11:47 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-33387448
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Post by: Mladen on July 04, 2015, 08:34:16 AM
That's fantastic. Bruce is the man.  :tup
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Post by: jjrock88 on July 04, 2015, 11:42:45 AM
That's fantastic. Bruce is the man.  :tup
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 04, 2015, 06:25:54 PM
That's fantastic. Bruce is the man.  :tup

Bruce Dickinson is my hero, man. Dude's incredible. :tup
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ozzy554 on July 04, 2015, 10:05:17 PM
I started listening to Bruce's solo albums and I forgot how much I loved them. Its ALMOST a shame that maiden reformed because I would love to have more albums by him.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Nick on July 04, 2015, 10:59:42 PM
If I've said it once I've said it a million times. Psycho Motel and Bruce Dickinson (solo) kicked the shit out of what Maiden was doing at that same time.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 05, 2015, 03:33:28 AM
I love that his albums are diffrent from eachother and more importantly diffrent from Maiden. I always had a special thing for Skunkworks which is like a rock/indie/metal kind of album while Chemical Wedding is pure metal. TM being just about pure fun. AoB has a mix of everything. I hope that Adrian and Roy Z is with him if he does a new album. Those guys brought along some serious riffage like Starchildren, Road To Hell, Killing Floor and many more.

It's been posted before but this live version of Tears Of The Dragon is one of his best vocal moments live.

https://youtu.be/dxeVtMrvUNc
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Post by: wolfking on July 05, 2015, 04:09:41 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-33387448

Such a humble, honest and down to earth individual.  Great he was getting asked so many questions regarding it and he thoroughly answered them all, great insight, champ of a man.  H looks like his body guard.  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 05, 2015, 05:09:40 AM
If I've said it once I've said it a million times. Psycho Motel and Bruce Dickinson (solo) kicked the shit out of what Maiden was doing at that same time.

Oh shit yeah.  No debating that one.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 05, 2015, 05:20:06 AM
Psycho Motel albums are filled with really great hard rock.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on July 05, 2015, 09:32:18 AM
Haven't listened to PM in a long time. Should give them a spin. Don't remember them doing much for me though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: NotePad on July 05, 2015, 09:46:28 AM
I didn't want want to create a new thread to talk about the new Maiden album. Although maybe it should have its own thread.

I'm calling it now: the two Smith/Dickinson songs will be Power Metal!!!! You'll see.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 05, 2015, 10:16:19 AM
Haven't listened to PM in a long time. Should give them a spin. Don't remember them doing much for me though.

I bought them upon release and didn't find them anything special. But gave them a spin a few weeks back and my jaw was floored!!! Adrian still amazes me: he has a very distinguished sound and com position style, but manages to never repeat himself.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Nick on July 06, 2015, 09:15:48 PM
The first Psycho Motel album is really good, and the 2nd one is truly amazing to me. It truly represents to me what grunge should have sounded like, how good it should have been, spiced with King's X bits as well. Maybe not completely accurate, but it's always how I've viewed it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 07, 2015, 05:47:44 AM
The first Psycho Motel album is really good, and the 2nd one is truly amazing to me. It truly represents to me what grunge should have sounded like, how good it should have been, spiced with King's X bits as well. Maybe not completely accurate, but it's always how I've viewed it.

Nick knows what's up.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 08, 2015, 07:09:59 PM
Tonight is a Seventh Son of a Seventh Son night  :metal
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Post by: jjrock88 on July 08, 2015, 07:12:09 PM
Tonight is a Seventh Son of a Seventh Son night  :metal

 :metal
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Post by: Big Hath on July 08, 2015, 09:39:40 PM
 :metal indeed

but shouldn't that have been last night?  7/7  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 09, 2015, 02:00:30 AM
Here the birth from an unbroken line
Born the healer the seventh, his time
Unknowingly blessed and as his life unfolds
Slowly unveiling the power he holds
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on July 09, 2015, 04:40:20 AM
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON

Am I doing it right? :P
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2015, 05:00:08 AM
Awesome fan art.

(http://i.imgur.com/dxLz0f9.jpg)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 09, 2015, 06:55:02 AM
Wow that is awesome
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Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2015, 07:14:11 AM
I'd love to have that one as a big poster on my wall.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on July 09, 2015, 05:07:51 PM
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON
SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON

Am I doing it right? :P
Nope. 4 lines too short!  ;D
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: rivulet on July 10, 2015, 09:21:33 PM
I'll never understand the disdain for No Prayer. I mean yes, you have some terrible songs like Bring Your Daughter, but there are some really good songs as well - the title track, for instance, is one of Maiden's finest.

This.  And Run Silent Run Deep, Assassin.
Run Silent Run Deep has an awesome chorus and solo section, but the verse is pretty bad. But overall, I am a fan of the song and it makes my No Prayer Of The Dark mashup.

Been listening to these two albums lately (part of my listening to the entire catalog in order leading up to the new album). Overall, FotD is a weaker album for me. My first crack at rearranging these into a better album, and a quasi-b-sides album.  I hope it's obvious which is which.

"Afraid to Fear"

1. Mother Russia
2. Public Enema Number One
3. Tailgunner
4. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
5. Run Silent Run Deep
6. Fear of the Dark
7. No Prayer For the Dying
8. Be Quick Or Be Dead
9. The Assassin
10. Fates Warning
11. Childhood's End

"Hooks and Chains"

1. Holy Smoke
2. From Here To Eternity
3. Chains of Misery
4. Fear Is The Key
5. The Apparition
6. Judas Be My Guide
7. Hooks In You
8. Bring Your Daughter ...
9. Weekend Warrior
10. The Fugitive
11. Wasting Love

What would you change?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on July 10, 2015, 09:25:44 PM
That's fairly close to the songs I'd put. I'd slip The Assassin and Childhood's End onto the weaker album and bring up Judas Be My Guide and Wasting Love. I'd also like to get The Fugitive moved up, but I don't know if there's a spot for it. I'm not sure about the tracklisting of either (Mother Russia as an opener? Childhood's End—which, to be candid, I really don't like much at all—as a closer?), but the lists of songs themselves are pretty close to what mine would be.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on July 11, 2015, 10:10:45 AM
The good one:

1. Be Quick or Be Dead
2. Holy Smoke
3. Run Silent Run Deep
4. Fates Warning
5. Judas Be My Guide
6. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
7. No Prayer for the Dying
8. Public Enema Number One
9. The Assassin
10. Mother Russia
11. Fear of the Dark

The bad one:

The rest. Don't care enough to actually come up with an order.
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Post by: ozzy554 on July 11, 2015, 02:20:29 PM
Just got the chemical wedding in the mail today :metal :metal :metal I can't wait to give it a listen

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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 11, 2015, 08:53:11 PM
Just got the chemical wedding in the mail today :metal :metal :metal I can't wait to give it a listen



Oh god I envy you discovering that masterpiece for the first time! Enjoy!
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Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2015, 09:23:20 PM
Just got the chemical wedding in the mail today :metal :metal :metal I can't wait to give it a listen



Oh god I envy you discovering that masterpiece for the first time! Enjoy!

this
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Post by: wolfking on July 12, 2015, 03:44:26 AM
Judas definitely belongs in the good list.  I'd say it's top 5 out of the whole 2 albums.  i'd go;

Just got the chemical wedding in the mail today :metal :metal :metal I can't wait to give it a listen



Oh god I envy you discovering that masterpiece for the first time! Enjoy!

Probably still my fav metal album of all time.  I remember the first time I listened to it, what an experience.
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Post by: Riitasointi on July 12, 2015, 04:58:34 AM
I am really glad to see Maiden put out another album! They were the first metal band I obsessed over so I (like many others) have a really soft spot for them in my heart. I really like most of the albums from BNW onwards (especially AMOLAD, while TFF is the weakest by miles) so I have kinda high expectations. A Few things I wish of The Book Of Souls:

1. The playing needs to be tight. On TFF the riffs and drumming were very lazy at many points and that almost ruins the experience for me altogether. Sure, Maiden sounds amazing live but on studio albums the riffage etc. needs to be spot on. In addition to rigid playing, we definitely need....

2. ... good sound an production. Producer Kevin Shirley hasn't been brining out the best of Maiden in my opinion. Steve Harris is clearly calling the shots in the studio, and it seems he thinks the "raw" sound is where the magic's at. Off with the cardboard-box-sounding drums and muddy guitars!!

3. They really need to realise the contemporary capabilities of Bruce's voice. The highs on recent albums sound awful at many points (think The Talisman) while his mid voice is awesome these days. So freaking powerful and controlled. Basically, I'd like to hear the vocal melodies go more on the lower-mid register, that's where 2010+ Bruce kills. His solo albums showcase this perfectly in my opinion. Also, should they finally do what, for example, Metallica had the wits to do years ago and lower the tuning to Eb or something in live concerts?
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Post by: cramx3 on July 12, 2015, 09:55:04 AM
In regards to Bruce, I wonder how many takes he did on some of these songs.  I believe Bruce recorded The Talisman in like one take?  Hopefully they put more effort and do a few tries to get something perfect although I don't really have any complaints with the sound of TFF.
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Post by: wolfking on July 12, 2015, 05:19:06 PM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.
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Post by: Dream Team on July 12, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

Neither am I. No one in the band seems to like being in the studio; Harris loves that sloppy rushed live sound for some reason, and Shirley is notoriously lazy. They need a good metal producer.
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Post by: ozzy554 on July 12, 2015, 07:50:35 PM
After I listened to accident of birth I said that it was almost a shame that bruce rejoined maiden and The Chemical Wedding just reinforced that statement.



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Post by: wolfking on July 12, 2015, 09:01:33 PM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

Neither am I. No one in the band seems to like being in the studio; Harris loves that sloppy rushed live sound for some reason, and Shirley is notoriously lazy. They need a good metal producer.

Agree with every word of that.

After I listened to accident of birth I said that it was almost a shame that bruce rejoined maiden and The Chemical Wedding just reinforced that statement.





Yes and no I'd say.  I just wish Bruce still did more solo stuff.  I guess he doesn't really need to though.
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Post by: Mosh on July 12, 2015, 09:36:06 PM
He did one album in between DOD and AMOLAD: A Tyranny of Souls. It's a good album but didn't make me feel like we were missing much by getting Bruce back in Maiden rather than more solo material. I'm glad they can collaborate with each other again.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 13, 2015, 02:48:16 AM
Tyranny of Souls is exceptional bar maybe two or three songs.  I really wish there was more solo Bruce too, its way more edgier than modern Maiden.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 13, 2015, 04:05:07 AM
Speaking of Chemical Wedding, anyone seen the movie?
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Post by: Mladen on July 13, 2015, 04:10:14 AM
I couldn't watch it, it was way too boring for me. But I did check out the scenes where Bruce acts as a side character or someone in the background, those are pretty funny when they're taken out of context.
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Post by: Lowdz on July 13, 2015, 04:32:16 AM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

Neither am I. No one in the band seems to like being in the studio; Harris loves that sloppy rushed live sound for some reason, and Shirley is notoriously lazy. They need a good metal producer.

Agree with every word of that.

After I listened to accident of birth I said that it was almost a shame that bruce rejoined maiden and The Chemical Wedding just reinforced that statement.





Yes and no I'd say.  I just wish Bruce still did more solo stuff.  I guess he doesn't really need to though.

Such a great band but they've never had a production that they deserved. I wonder whether it's because of Harris' bass sound that they can't find the right balance or if it's just his ears. I've also never been that keen on the guitar sounds either. Yes, they need a proper metal producer, or even Roy Z.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 13, 2015, 05:00:33 AM
What's a proper metal producer tho?  Or who, rather?  I don't know too many modern metal producers that blow me away sonically.  Most of them just brickwall and overproduce to shit.  Bring back Martin Birch I say.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 13, 2015, 06:21:36 AM
I dont know, BNW sounds amazing to me and that is the same crew.  They are capable, but maybe you are right, lazy?  IM never came off as being lazy, but maybe it's true that they don't like being in the studio. 
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Post by: wolfking on July 13, 2015, 06:36:10 AM
BNW sounds great, Shirley did a great job on that one.  I don't know what happened after that.

Maybe lazy isn't the right word, but sloppy fits perfectly.
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Post by: Riitasointi on July 13, 2015, 07:35:01 AM
AMOLAD sounds pretty decent as well imo. The only one (of the "new" albums) that I think has a downright bad production is The Final Frontier.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on July 13, 2015, 07:57:39 AM
Also, should they finally do what, for example, Metallica had the wits to do years ago and lower the tuning to Eb or something in live concerts?

Apparantly Blaze Bailey always asked for some of the songs to be re-tuned to suit his voice better, and Harris always said no.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 13, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
I couldn't watch it, it was way too boring for me. But I did check out the scenes where Bruce acts as a side character or someone in the background, those are pretty funny when they're taken out of context.
Yea I kind of avoided the movie at the time to not see it just because of Bruces involment. Read some reviews which weren't overly positive so to speak so I just skipped it. Just interested to hear some thoughts in hindsight. I might see it now though just for the fun of it.
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Post by: jjrock88 on July 13, 2015, 08:39:34 AM
BNW sounds great, Shirley did a great job on that one.  I don't know what happened after that.

Maybe lazy isn't the right word, but sloppy fits perfectly.

Agree about BNW. Awesome sounding album.
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Post by: 425 on July 13, 2015, 02:14:03 PM
AMOLAD sounds pretty decent as well imo. The only one (of the "new" albums) that I think has a downright bad production is The Final Frontier.

Really? I never had a problem with TFF's production. It's certainly ages better than the brickwalled Dance of Death in my book.
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Post by: cramx3 on July 13, 2015, 02:44:54 PM
DoD is easily the worst.  Maybe that was the band's motive to just go with the "live" sound now.
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Post by: wolfking on July 13, 2015, 04:29:59 PM
DOD and TFF are both on a par production wise IMO, terrible.

Also, should they finally do what, for example, Metallica had the wits to do years ago and lower the tuning to Eb or something in live concerts?

Apparantly Blaze Bailey always asked for some of the songs to be re-tuned to suit his voice better, and Harris always said no.

I always thought this might have been the case.  'Arry sure is a stubbon prick sometimes.  We can hardly blame Blaze for some of the live performances then.  On some old songs he sounds alright, so just a half step down would have made a world of difference.
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Post by: FreezingPoint on July 13, 2015, 04:51:02 PM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

This quote doesn't make me feel too confident in that either, but one never knows:

"A lot of the songs were actually written while we were there in the studio and we rehearsed and recorded them straight away while they were still fresh, and I think that immediacy really shows in the songs, they have almost a live feel to them, I think."

http://www.metalsucks.net/2015/06/18/new-iron-maiden-album-the-book-of-souls-is-on-the-way-cover-artwork-posted/
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Post by: cramx3 on July 13, 2015, 05:27:09 PM
Yea I honestly expect a more of a AMoLaD/TFF feel to the album in terms of sound at least.  I think thats a good bet given the little details and we know its the same cast.
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Post by: wolfking on July 13, 2015, 09:18:37 PM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

This quote doesn't make me feel too confident in that either, but one never knows:

"A lot of the songs were actually written while we were there in the studio and we rehearsed and recorded them straight away while they were still fresh, and I think that immediacy really shows in the songs, they have almost a live feel to them, I think."

http://www.metalsucks.net/2015/06/18/new-iron-maiden-album-the-book-of-souls-is-on-the-way-cover-artwork-posted/

Yep, that's the quote that had me worried too.

Yea I honestly expect a more of a AMoLaD/TFF feel to the album in terms of sound at least.  I think thats a good bet given the little details and we know its the same cast.

I don't mind if it sounds like AMOLAD, it's no where near as sloppy as TFF and the production is a lot clearer.
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Post by: 425 on July 13, 2015, 10:15:41 PM
I always thought this might have been the case.  'Arry sure is a stubbon prick sometimes.  We can hardly blame Blaze for some of the live performances then.  On some old songs he sounds alright, so just a half step down would have made a world of difference.

I always thought that Blaze was very close to pulling off a lot of the older songs, and that he could sing a lot of them very well if they were brought down into his best range. His rendition of The Clairvoyant (just search "the clairvoyant blaze bayley" on YouTube) has a lot of potential and is pretty powerful at moments (the second verse). If only that song would have been tuned down and played a bit slower, he would have sounded really good.

Edit: I'm watching his Hallowed Be Thy Name right now, and it's pretty good, too. Especially on the intro. But some parts of it are just too high for him to reach comfortably.
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Post by: wolfking on July 13, 2015, 11:20:48 PM
His Hallowed is certainly not too bad IMO.  He just fucks up the end so that leaves a bad impression of the whole thing.

The Clairvoyant is indeed a good one.  i like his little changes in the melodies.  Others that weren't far off were FOTD, HCW, TETMD and Wrathchild IMO.  Oh, and ATSS.

looking at those, it seems Steve did put some thought into the song selections for Blaze.  Just that little bit lower would have been good.
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Post by: jammindude on July 13, 2015, 11:23:12 PM
His Hallowed is certainly not too bad IMO.  He just fucks up the end so that leaves a bad impression of the whole thing.

The Clairvoyant is indeed a good one.  i like his little changes in the melodies.  Others that weren't far off were FOTD, HCW, TETMD and Wrathchild IMO.  Oh, and ATSS.

looking at those, it seems Steve did put some thought into the song selections for Blaze.  Just that little bit lower would have been good.

ATSS with Blaze is just freakin incredible.   It's no wonder they put his version on BotB...it might be even an improvement over the studio version with Bruce. 
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Post by: 425 on July 13, 2015, 11:35:53 PM
I'd almost forgotten his Afraid to Shoot Strangers! That's probably his best pre-TXF song. His performance on the official music video is every bit as good as Bruce's on the album. In fact, I think it's better than the studio version.

Most of the songs they had him do were indeed good choices for him. Wrathchild is another one of his best ones, and is an especially good choice since he's singing lines written for Di'Anno, not for Bruce (Wrathchild stands in my mind as a song that all three singers do pretty well, each putting their own twist on it). The issues that were there in those performances of older songs could basically have been resolved by playing the songs lower.
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Post by: wolfking on July 13, 2015, 11:45:08 PM
I always thought fans were so pig headed and gave Blaze shit undeservingly.
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Post by: Lowdz on July 14, 2015, 02:42:04 AM
I'm with both of you.  I really have come to love TFF, but it is rushed and sloppy in terms of the recording.  I hope they did make a more 'studio' sounding album, than a 'live' sounding album, but I'm not confident.

This quote doesn't make me feel too confident in that either, but one never knows:

"A lot of the songs were actually written while we were there in the studio and we rehearsed and recorded them straight away while they were still fresh, and I think that immediacy really shows in the songs, they have almost a live feel to them, I think."

http://www.metalsucks.net/2015/06/18/new-iron-maiden-album-the-book-of-souls-is-on-the-way-cover-artwork-posted/

Yep, that's the quote that had me worried too.

Yea I honestly expect a more of a AMoLaD/TFF feel to the album in terms of sound at least.  I think thats a good bet given the little details and we know its the same cast.

I don't mind if it sounds like AMOLAD, it's no where near as sloppy as TFF and the production is a lot clearer.

AMOLAD is better but the guitars sound so "dull". Compare it to Killers or TNOTB and it sounds flat and lifeless. To me anyway.
AMOLAD is their best since Powerslave for me.
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Post by: wolfking on July 14, 2015, 06:43:38 AM
They went for a real stripped back and unprocessed album with that one, and while it's a big improvement on DOD, the guitars simply don't have much power IMO.  It could have been a really heavy album with some beefier production.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 14, 2015, 07:15:18 AM
His rendition of The Clairvoyant (just search "the clairvoyant blaze bayley" on YouTube) has a lot of potential and is pretty powerful at moments (the second verse). If only that song would have been tuned down and played a bit slower, he would have sounded really good.

Blaze's Clairvoyant in Chile '96...ehhhhh.   He was singing the last lines of the verses sharp!
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Post by: Riitasointi on July 14, 2015, 08:05:45 AM
They went for a real stripped back and unprocessed album with that one, and while it's a big improvement on DOD, the guitars simply don't have much power IMO.  It could have been a really heavy album with some beefier production.
AMOLAD guitars lack power? I think the sound on that album has the most punch of all the records they made since Bruce's return. The drums sound good on that one too.

Talking about Bruce, I gotta bring up The Reincarnation Of Benjamin Breeg. I think the vocal lines on that song is something they should do more nowadays. Man, listen to that delivery by Bruce! When not needing to go too high he sounds absolutely brilliant.
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Post by: 425 on July 15, 2015, 07:22:58 AM
Blaze's Clairvoyant in Chile '96...ehhhhh.   He was singing the last lines of the verses sharp!

That's in a live setting on a song out of his most comfortable range. I'm not talking about the quality of that one performance (though I like it), I'm talking about how good he could have been on that song if Steve had done more to optimize it for his voice.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 15, 2015, 07:30:15 AM
Tuning down can be a funny thing though.  Sometimes, you barely notice, and it really helps the singer a lot.  Sometimes, it makes a song sound heavier.  But sometimes, it just sucks the life out of a song and makes it sound horrible, even if it helps the singer nail the vocal lines.  An incident that always sticks out in my mind is when I saw Tesla a few years ago.  They did not downtune on everything, but did on a few select songs, including Edison's Medicine.  While it helped Jeff Keith a lot, the songs overall just sounded horrible and had no energy whatsoever.  So as far as Harris refusing to tune down, although it very well might just be stubbornness, I have to defer to his judgment.  If he feels it takes away from the songs, I respect that. 
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 15, 2015, 07:49:01 AM
Blaze's Clairvoyant in Chile '96...ehhhhh.   He was singing the last lines of the verses sharp!

That's in a live setting on a song out of his most comfortable range. I'm not talking about the quality of that one performance (though I like it), I'm talking about how good he could have been on that song if Steve had done more to optimize it for his voice.

Yes, I'm sorry I misread your post, I totally agree. 
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 17, 2015, 06:20:33 PM
So I picked up Killers today.

I have no clue what so ever why it took me so long to finally get around this one, but I regret it. This album is damn good. And its cool to have something a little different in the collection.
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Post by: PowerSlave on July 17, 2015, 06:45:33 PM
Tuning down can be a funny thing though.  Sometimes, you barely notice, and it really helps the singer a lot.  Sometimes, it makes a song sound heavier.  But sometimes, it just sucks the life out of a song and makes it sound horrible, even if it helps the singer nail the vocal lines.  An incident that always sticks out in my mind is when I saw Tesla a few years ago.  They did not downtune on everything, but did on a few select songs, including Edison's Medicine.  While it helped Jeff Keith a lot, the songs overall just sounded horrible and had no energy whatsoever.  So as far as Harris refusing to tune down, although it very well might just be stubbornness, I have to defer to his judgment.  If he feels it takes away from the songs, I respect that.

Do you think that it would have been better if they had down tuned on all of the songs, possibly? My thought being that since they only did it on a few songs it made it much more noticeable?
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 18, 2015, 12:35:50 AM
Tuning down can be a funny thing though.  Sometimes, you barely notice, and it really helps the singer a lot.  Sometimes, it makes a song sound heavier.  But sometimes, it just sucks the life out of a song and makes it sound horrible, even if it helps the singer nail the vocal lines.  An incident that always sticks out in my mind is when I saw Tesla a few years ago.  They did not downtune on everything, but did on a few select songs, including Edison's Medicine.  While it helped Jeff Keith a lot, the songs overall just sounded horrible and had no energy whatsoever.  So as far as Harris refusing to tune down, although it very well might just be stubbornness, I have to defer to his judgment.  If he feels it takes away from the songs, I respect that.

Do you think that it would have been better if they had down tuned on all of the songs, possibly? My thought being that since they only did it on a few songs it made it much more noticeable?

I think they should've done it for Blaze.  They had no problems changing keys for Lord of the Flies when Bruce was back.
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Post by: Lowdz on July 18, 2015, 07:15:08 AM
So I picked up Killers today.

I have no clue what so ever why it took me so long to finally get around this one, but I regret it. This album is damn good. And its cool to have something a little different in the collection.

Better late than never. My favourite Maiden album by far. I do have the extra emotional attachment of it being my first though. And we always remembe rour first time  :biggrin:
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Post by: jjrock88 on July 18, 2015, 10:28:30 AM
Killers is awesome. I think I'm going to play it today
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 18, 2015, 05:35:23 PM
been listening to 22 Acacia Avenue all day today. love this song  :metal
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Post by: TAC on July 18, 2015, 05:40:08 PM
been listening to 22 Acacia Avenue all day today. love this song  :metal
It's a great song. Top 10 Maiden track for me.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 18, 2015, 06:36:31 PM
So I picked up Killers today.

I have no clue what so ever why it took me so long to finally get around this one, but I regret it. This album is damn good. And its cool to have something a little different in the collection.
I was also late to "discover" Killers. Ides, Purgatory, Killers, Wrath, Murders and Twilight are all amazing tracks.
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Post by: NotePad on July 19, 2015, 11:02:17 AM
They should have done with Blaze what Priest did with Ripper. Watch that live DVD Priest did on the Demolition tour. It's all downtuned guitars and it sounds great. The older songs sound heavier and awesome.
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Post by: TAC on July 21, 2015, 02:35:12 PM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts
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Post by: Mister Gold on July 21, 2015, 02:40:07 PM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts

One of the greatest singers ever and probably my personal favorite. :hefdaddy
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Post by: jammindude on July 21, 2015, 03:39:20 PM
They should have done with Blaze what Priest did with Ripper. Watch that live DVD Priest did on the Demolition tour. It's all downtuned guitars and it sounds great. The older songs sound heavier and awesome.

It's hard to compare the two because Ripper was SOOOOOO much more talented than Blaze.   His performance on Live Meltdown is absolutely off the chart and, quite frankly, superior to what Rob is capable of nowadays.   

I understand IM's decision to part ways with Blaze (who probably just should have never been in Maiden in the first place)....but Priest parting ways with Ripper baffles me.   That guy is just crazy amazing...
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Post by: jjrock88 on July 21, 2015, 09:04:53 PM
98 Live Meltdown is my all time favourite live album and live performance by any singer
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Post by: Cyclopssss on July 21, 2015, 11:13:35 PM
Killers was the first Maiden album I bought. Needless to say, I was hooked for life! Cause I´m a Drifter....drifting oooohoohohoho
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Post by: The Curious Orange on July 22, 2015, 04:04:24 AM

I understand IM's decision to part ways with Blaze (who probably just should have never been in Maiden in the first place)....

See, I went to see Maiden with Blaze, and he was pretty flipping good. I'd been a Wolfsbane fan, and they could not have found a better singer than Blaze. I still think TXF is a pretty solid album. But the fans gave him shit for not being Bruce, and by the time of the V11 album, the band were a joke, Blaze was pissed off, the others were pissed off, and they all seemed to have ceased trying.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 22, 2015, 04:33:43 AM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts
Thx for posting, that was fun to hear.  :tup
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 22, 2015, 04:36:04 AM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts
Thx for posting, that was funny to hear.  :tup

Funny or awesome?! It was awesome, it woke up parts of me I believed long dead.
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Post by: Zydar on July 22, 2015, 04:50:24 AM
Awesome :metal
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Post by: wolfking on July 22, 2015, 05:04:53 AM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts

Fucking amazing this.  FOI, wow!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 22, 2015, 05:26:07 AM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts
Thx for posting, that was funny to hear.  :tup

Funny or awesome?! It was awesome, it woke up parts of me I believed long dead.
Oups I meant fun of course!  :lol
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on July 22, 2015, 11:12:52 AM

I understand IM's decision to part ways with Blaze (who probably just should have never been in Maiden in the first place)....

See, I went to see Maiden with Blaze, and he was pretty flipping good. I'd been a Wolfsbane fan, and they could not have found a better singer than Blaze. I still think TXF is a pretty solid album. But the fans gave him shit for not being Bruce, and by the time of the V11 album, the band were a joke, Blaze was pissed off, the others were pissed off, and they all seemed to have ceased trying.


Blaze is a fantastic singer, and I think TXF is the most underrated album in their catalog.   He was only never right for Maiden because there was NO WAY that he was ever going to be able to pull off the older stuff live from day one.   No matter how good someone is, you need to hire someone who is capable of singing the older songs.    Ripper is the perfect example.   On Live Meltdown he is as good (or better) than Rob was at that time.    Blaze was never going to be able to do that for Maiden.   If you replace Bruce, you have to have someone who can fill his shoes.   Blaze was just never going to be that guy.   He was doomed from the moment he joined. 

Perfect for his own stuff and a few of Bruce's lower songs....but
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 11:15:54 AM
TXF is definitely the most underrated album, it gets way too much shit while musically actually being very good.  But agreed, Blaze just wasnt the right fit for the band overall, but he was perfect for TXF.  Regardless, I'm sure we are all happy with how that worked out since we got a better IM in the end.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 22, 2015, 03:39:09 PM
Bruce!
 :hefdaddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eem4v0pxwts

Fucking amazing this.  FOI, wow!

what a voice!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Deathless on July 30, 2015, 08:43:07 AM
And we have our first taste of new Maiden... via a 30-second teaser!

Pre-Order Teaser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBDanCsgVkM)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on July 30, 2015, 09:01:26 AM
Sounds sweeeet :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on July 30, 2015, 09:04:14 AM
Willing to bet that is from Speed Of Light.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 30, 2015, 09:32:33 AM
Willing to bet that is from Speed Of Light.

Probably! It sounds like it's the ending part of a solo from Adrian and then a melodic bridge after that.

The production sounds pretty great too, I think. It's like SiT/SSoaSS mixed with BNW sonically. Probably the best album production Maiden's had in the past fifteen years.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on July 30, 2015, 09:45:48 AM
Wow, not much but sounds very good!   :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Riitasointi on July 30, 2015, 10:04:45 AM
Yes, yes, yeess!! I think they finally got it right with the production this time, just what I wished for! I'm super excited now.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on July 30, 2015, 01:01:37 PM
And we have our first taste of new Maiden... via a 30-second teaser!

Pre-Order Teaser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBDanCsgVkM)

That sounds suspiciously like Iron Maiden.  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 30, 2015, 01:08:30 PM
I like it!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Art on July 30, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
nice sample, sounds really good!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on July 30, 2015, 03:12:08 PM
Now to wait for people to rigorously judge the entire album based on a short 30 seconds. :lol

I like it. Definitely Maiden sounding like Maiden. As far as guessing which track it's from, I wouldn't have a clue. Hopefully we get a couple more teasers like this. :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on July 30, 2015, 03:18:45 PM
The speculation is that it is from the single Speed of Light that will be released in a couple weeks
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 30, 2015, 07:01:37 PM
Ah that was short but sweet.  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 30, 2015, 07:12:00 PM
My thoughts on the new song:



(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-30%20at%209.10.32%20PM_zpssqoafye2.png) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-30%20at%209.10.32%20PM_zpssqoafye2.png.html)

Up the Irons  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zook on July 30, 2015, 07:49:38 PM
Sounds like Maiden.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 30, 2015, 07:50:26 PM
Cant listen now as I'm in class but it sounds like Maiden.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 30, 2015, 08:00:03 PM
Sounds like Maiden.

Sounds like Maiden with the best production the band's had in about fifteen years. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: YtseCullen on July 30, 2015, 11:53:08 PM
UGH I LOVE THIS! It sounds so so good, both musically and sonically! Can't wait for the single!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 31, 2015, 02:28:24 AM
As someone said sounds very Virtual XI:esq.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 31, 2015, 03:23:20 AM
To be honest, it sounds like Maiden. Too short to judge otherwise, I´d say.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on July 31, 2015, 04:25:42 AM
Looks like I'm one of the very few people that can't get excited about a 30 second clip. Nevertheless, I'm extremely excited about the album, it's certainly the most important one to be released this year.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 31, 2015, 04:57:35 AM
sounds like maiden.  sounds like H.  oooh yeah
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 31, 2015, 03:43:46 PM
To be honest, it sounds like Maiden. Too short to judge otherwise, I´d say.

This.

I hope you guys are right about the production too, as I thought it sounded a bit muddy like TFF.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on July 31, 2015, 05:01:23 PM
Yeah, really good clip but I'm not too keen on the production.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 31, 2015, 06:12:05 PM
To be honest, it sounds like Maiden. Too short to judge otherwise, I´d say.

This.

I hope you guys are right about the production too, as I thought it sounded a bit muddy like TFF.

It might be muddier than I initially thought, but it could also be YouTube screwing things up audio-wise. What I'm liking about the production so far is the clarity and tone of the guitars that this album seems to have. It's like a blend of SiT and BNW in that regard. Hopefully everything is well-balanced and clean in the actual album itself, but I think the guitars are already a step up from TFF.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on July 31, 2015, 06:25:52 PM
To me, youtube videos don't mask much of the production values.  What you hear, is pretty much what you will expect from the offical release IMO, just a bit clearer.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 31, 2015, 07:39:58 PM
To me, youtube videos don't mask much of the production values.  What you hear, is pretty much what you will expect from the offical release IMO, just a bit clearer.

True. We'll have to wait and see, I guess. :tup

BTW, the first official album review came out! Sounds good to me! :metal :hefdaddy

https://www.teamrock.com/reviews/2015-08-07/iron-maiden-the-book-of-souls

Turns out that Empire of the Clouds is a massive metal opera about the R101 aircraft tragedy of 1930. Bruce plays the piano through out the song too. The description kinda reminds me of Savatage, actually, but that might just be because they played at Wacken earlier today.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: PowerSlave on July 31, 2015, 07:53:56 PM
I was going to read the article, but you have to sign up to the site. I'm always reluctant to do things like that. Anybody willing to post the text of the review?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 31, 2015, 07:57:13 PM
I was going to read the article, but you have to sign up to the site. I'm always reluctant to do things like that. Anybody willing to post the text of the review?

Sure thing!

Quote
A new Iron Maiden album is always a big event, not least because the band have somehow sustained a startling level of popularity for the vast majority of their three decades.

Iron Maiden: The Book Of Souls Cover
What is less frequently acknowledged, however, is that since the return of Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith for 2000’s Brave New World, Maiden have not only cemented their status as metal’s most revered band but, audaciously, built upon it, becoming ever more dominant and in-demand as a result.

Of course, The Book Of Souls arrives amid an additional storm of drama, Dickinson’s genuinely shocking brush with cancer erecting an unexpected and unwanted backdrop of struggle and triumph behind a long-awaited album – Maiden’s 16th – that didn’t exactly need an extra boost.

Completed before their singer received his jarring diagnosis, The Book Of Souls is the sound of a band at the peak of their powers, both individual and collective, and Dickinson’s own performance gives no clues whatsoever as to his then vexed state of health. One might glibly note that this would have been an excellent final statement for all concerned, but it’s hard to think of another band of this vintage that would be capable of sounding this vital and inspired.

It begins with one of two songs written solely by Dickinson. If Eternity Should Fail starts with an eerie, almost psychedelic intro, the air raid siren’s restrained tones floating in shimmering space, before the first of countless towering riffs crashes in. Dark in tone and texture and a dash heavier than Maiden have ever sounded before, its eight-and-a-half minutes rush by in what seems like half that amount, soaring choruses and a typically deft change of pace midway through adding bite to the barrage.

Maiden’s recent albums have been notable primarily for the epic and progressive nature of their contents, and while The Book Of Souls certainly saunters down that avenue on numerous occasions, it is also an album that brims with flashes of succinctness. Speed Of Light, Death Or Glory and Tears Of A Clown all climax at around the five minute mark, and all three are instant top-notch Maiden anthems, the shrewd songwriting hand of Adrian Smith making its presence felt and bringing plenty of that off-kilter edge that was sometimes missed during the decade he spent away from the line-up. Meanwhile, both The Great Unknown and When The River Runs Deep speak volumes about the intuitive chemistry between Smith and Steve Harris, their collaborative efforts producing monstrous mini-symphonies for Dickinson to unleash that vein-popping vibrato over.

Nonetheless, The Book Of Souls will doubtless be celebrated most for its epics, and if you thought Maiden had pulled out all the stops in the past, you may need to strap yourself in and say a quick prayer to Eddie this time round. The Red And The Black is Harris’ only sole composition here, but it’s one of the most exhilarating and fluid things he has ever written; nearly 14 minutes of interwoven rhythms and riffs, a brief nod to the dramatic thud of Flight Of Icarus here, a dewy-eyed salute to Thin Lizzy there and a healthy slab of mob-friendly backing vocals that must surely mean that this will become an immediate live favourite when Maiden take The Book Of Souls out on the road.

The same goes for the title track, an almost ludicrously grandiose and theatrical affair that crams more smart ideas into its ten-and-a-half minutes than any band this enduring should have left in the tank at this point. And if Dickinson could sound any less like a man about to discover a tumour in his throat... well, needless to say that his recovery has been perhaps the least surprising thing about Maiden’s recent history. The interplay between the Three Amigos reaches a similar peak on the rumbling sprawl of Shadows Of The Valley and, best of all, on Harris and Dave Murray’s dark and unsettling The Man Of Sorrows, wherein Kevin Shirley’s powerful, unfussy production shines a light on the sublimely organic interplay between these six musicians.

So far, so brilliant. And yet even the most wildly optimistic Maiden fan might find themselves momentarily gobsmacked by The Book Of Souls’ conclusion. The longest song the band have ever recorded, Empire Of The Clouds is essentially an 18-minute heavy metal opera, replete with Dickinson on piano for the first time and sumptuous orchestral flourishes that add hugely to the song’s cinematic feel.

A detailed but poetic account of the R101 airship disaster of 1930, it’s a stunning piece of work and clearly a labour of love for Dickinson, the song’s author, in particular. And coming at the end of such a consistent and remarkable slab of idiosyncratic heavy metal, it poses one obvious question: is there anything that Iron Maiden can’t do? The Book Of Souls suggests not.

Given that this sounds nothing like the work of a band nearing the end of their love affair with music, the future may even hold greater wonders. Bloody hell.

FINAL VERDICT: 9/10
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: PowerSlave on July 31, 2015, 08:06:54 PM
I was going to read the article, but you have to sign up to the site. I'm always reluctant to do things like that. Anybody willing to post the text of the review?

Sure thing!

Quote
A new Iron Maiden album is always a big event, not least because the band have somehow sustained a startling level of popularity for the vast majority of their three decades.

Iron Maiden: The Book Of Souls Cover
What is less frequently acknowledged, however, is that since the return of Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith for 2000’s Brave New World, Maiden have not only cemented their status as metal’s most revered band but, audaciously, built upon it, becoming ever more dominant and in-demand as a result.

Of course, The Book Of Souls arrives amid an additional storm of drama, Dickinson’s genuinely shocking brush with cancer erecting an unexpected and unwanted backdrop of struggle and triumph behind a long-awaited album – Maiden’s 16th – that didn’t exactly need an extra boost.

Completed before their singer received his jarring diagnosis, The Book Of Souls is the sound of a band at the peak of their powers, both individual and collective, and Dickinson’s own performance gives no clues whatsoever as to his then vexed state of health. One might glibly note that this would have been an excellent final statement for all concerned, but it’s hard to think of another band of this vintage that would be capable of sounding this vital and inspired.

It begins with one of two songs written solely by Dickinson. If Eternity Should Fail starts with an eerie, almost psychedelic intro, the air raid siren’s restrained tones floating in shimmering space, before the first of countless towering riffs crashes in. Dark in tone and texture and a dash heavier than Maiden have ever sounded before, its eight-and-a-half minutes rush by in what seems like half that amount, soaring choruses and a typically deft change of pace midway through adding bite to the barrage.

Maiden’s recent albums have been notable primarily for the epic and progressive nature of their contents, and while The Book Of Souls certainly saunters down that avenue on numerous occasions, it is also an album that brims with flashes of succinctness. Speed Of Light, Death Or Glory and Tears Of A Clown all climax at around the five minute mark, and all three are instant top-notch Maiden anthems, the shrewd songwriting hand of Adrian Smith making its presence felt and bringing plenty of that off-kilter edge that was sometimes missed during the decade he spent away from the line-up. Meanwhile, both The Great Unknown and When The River Runs Deep speak volumes about the intuitive chemistry between Smith and Steve Harris, their collaborative efforts producing monstrous mini-symphonies for Dickinson to unleash that vein-popping vibrato over.

Nonetheless, The Book Of Souls will doubtless be celebrated most for its epics, and if you thought Maiden had pulled out all the stops in the past, you may need to strap yourself in and say a quick prayer to Eddie this time round. The Red And The Black is Harris’ only sole composition here, but it’s one of the most exhilarating and fluid things he has ever written; nearly 14 minutes of interwoven rhythms and riffs, a brief nod to the dramatic thud of Flight Of Icarus here, a dewy-eyed salute to Thin Lizzy there and a healthy slab of mob-friendly backing vocals that must surely mean that this will become an immediate live favourite when Maiden take The Book Of Souls out on the road.

The same goes for the title track, an almost ludicrously grandiose and theatrical affair that crams more smart ideas into its ten-and-a-half minutes than any band this enduring should have left in the tank at this point. And if Dickinson could sound any less like a man about to discover a tumour in his throat... well, needless to say that his recovery has been perhaps the least surprising thing about Maiden’s recent history. The interplay between the Three Amigos reaches a similar peak on the rumbling sprawl of Shadows Of The Valley and, best of all, on Harris and Dave Murray’s dark and unsettling The Man Of Sorrows, wherein Kevin Shirley’s powerful, unfussy production shines a light on the sublimely organic interplay between these six musicians.

So far, so brilliant. And yet even the most wildly optimistic Maiden fan might find themselves momentarily gobsmacked by The Book Of Souls’ conclusion. The longest song the band have ever recorded, Empire Of The Clouds is essentially an 18-minute heavy metal opera, replete with Dickinson on piano for the first time and sumptuous orchestral flourishes that add hugely to the song’s cinematic feel.

A detailed but poetic account of the R101 airship disaster of 1930, it’s a stunning piece of work and clearly a labour of love for Dickinson, the song’s author, in particular. And coming at the end of such a consistent and remarkable slab of idiosyncratic heavy metal, it poses one obvious question: is there anything that Iron Maiden can’t do? The Book Of Souls suggests not.

Given that this sounds nothing like the work of a band nearing the end of their love affair with music, the future may even hold greater wonders. Bloody hell.

FINAL VERDICT: 9/10

Thank you for posting this! I've really been looking forward to this album. Reading the review has me very excited!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on July 31, 2015, 08:43:05 PM
Thank you for posting this! I've really been looking forward to this album. Reading the review has me very excited!

No problem! I've been hyped for it too, as it'll probably be a shoe-in for my Album of the Year.

It sounds like this might be a darker album after all, if the review is anything to go by. I'm getting some Gutter Ballet vibes from the description of Empire of the Clouds in particular.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 01, 2015, 01:13:01 AM
So damn hyped after reading that review! Just about a month left to go!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 01, 2015, 09:20:12 AM
review sounds stellar!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 01, 2015, 09:40:28 AM
The review is making me really wish this was out already!  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 01, 2015, 10:58:40 AM
The review is making me really wish this was out already!  :metal

Only a 9 out of 10?

So stoked!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Train of Naught on August 01, 2015, 01:54:01 PM
Their last two albums have proven that they can still maintain their ability to create masterpieces, and I think this is just a small taste of what seems to be the third.  ;D
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 01, 2015, 03:13:19 PM
Their last two albums have proven that they can still maintain their ability to create masterpieces, and I think this is just a small taste of what seems to be the third.  ;D

On the whole, I think all four post-reunion albums are consistently great. There's two masterpieces so far (Brave New World and A Matter of Life and Death) and then two "growing pains" as I refer to them (Dance of Death and The Final Frontier). That isn't to say that DoD or TFF aren't bad, but I think they're both pointing at directions that would be improved upon by the subsequent album, at least for DoD. We'll have to wait and see how TBoS turns out to see if I'm right on TFF or not.

It kinda reminds me a wee bit of the old Star Trek film order.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on August 02, 2015, 01:35:18 PM
The last time I read a review that gushing, it was for St. Anger. I'll reserve judgement until I hear it myself (duh) - and no, that production did not impress me much.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 02, 2015, 02:15:48 PM
Mmmm...that review did it for me....I think I got a boner.... ::)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 02, 2015, 02:38:42 PM
Can't wait for this.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 03, 2015, 06:20:11 PM
A good lengthy interview with Janick regarding his life before Maiden, how he got into Maiden, what was it like for Maiden after Bruce left, and after Bruce and Adrian came back, and some good detail regarding the new album.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 03, 2015, 06:35:36 PM
A good lengthy interview with Janick regarding his life before Maiden, how he got into Maiden, what was it like for Maiden after Bruce left, and after Bruce and Adrian came back, and some good detail regarding the new album.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html
Nice. Thank you!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 03, 2015, 08:08:26 PM
A good lengthy interview with Janick regarding his life before Maiden, how he got into Maiden, what was it like for Maiden after Bruce left, and after Bruce and Adrian came back, and some good detail regarding the new album.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html

Me likey!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on August 04, 2015, 05:55:15 AM
Don't like the idea that Steve bloated up Janick's song with extra choruses, but it's to be expected.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 04, 2015, 07:24:44 AM
Overall, what I've read about this one so far, it seems like Steve held back on this record.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 04, 2015, 07:31:58 AM
I can't seem to access the article. :(
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 04, 2015, 08:00:29 AM
Yeah, it seems to have disappeared for some reason...
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Randaran on August 04, 2015, 09:08:56 AM
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lAhoSif1TpcJ:www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lAhoSif1TpcJ:www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

There you go
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Post by: TAC on August 04, 2015, 10:24:34 AM
Great! Thank you!!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Dream Team on August 04, 2015, 11:56:20 AM
Overall, what I've read about this one so far, it seems like Steve held back on this record.  :biggrin:

Maybe, but then again he was pushing for even more of a live feel than before, which is the opposite of what is needed. They need a crisp, clear recording.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 04, 2015, 12:43:47 PM
Overall, what I've read about this one so far, it seems like Steve held back on this record.  :biggrin:

Maybe, but then again he was pushing for even more of a live feel than before, which is the opposite of what is needed. They need a crisp, clear recording.

Well, they went in for a live feel with Brave New World and A Matter of Life and Death and I think the production results for both albums were pretty great. I won't complain if that's the resulting production we get and the songs are great.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 05, 2015, 05:46:14 AM
I'd be happy if it sounded like BNW and AMOLAD as opposed to DOD and TFF.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Lowdz on August 06, 2015, 07:08:28 AM
A good lengthy interview with Janick regarding his life before Maiden, how he got into Maiden, what was it like for Maiden after Bruce left, and after Bruce and Adrian came back, and some good detail regarding the new album.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/iron_maidens_janick_gers_were_not_gonna_be_a_parody_we_are_valid_now_and_what_we_play_now_is_valid.html

Me likey!

I first saw Jannick when he was in Gillan. I wasa  bit gutted because I really liked Bernie Torme and Jannick wasn't as good. Got the same vibe when he replaced Adrain Smith. I was wanting more of a neo-classical guitar player at the time. Also the songwriting went downhill when Adrain left.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Train of Naught on August 06, 2015, 07:17:50 AM
I'd be happy if it sounded like BNW and AMOLAD as opposed to DOD and TFF.
I'd be more than just happy if it sounded like AMOLAD  ;D
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Post by: Lowdz on August 06, 2015, 03:28:20 PM
I'm a bit late to the party but that 30 second snippet is the best thing I've heard from Maiden since Fear Of The Dark (song).
I love how clear everything sounds.
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Post by: The Curious Orange on August 07, 2015, 01:14:58 AM
I first saw Jannick when he was in Gillan. I wasa  bit gutted because I really liked Bernie Torme and Jannick wasn't as good. Got the same vibe when he replaced Adrain Smith. I was wanting more of a neo-classical guitar player at the time. Also the songwriting went downhill when Adrain left.

Janick is a very different guitar player - much more fluid, more improvisational - but every bit as good. I just wish Maiden would showcase him a bit more so that fans can hear what he's truly capable of. But yeah, the songwriting plummeted without Adrian.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Ruba on August 07, 2015, 02:11:05 AM
I'm kinda scared they're putting out a double album, since their recent albums have been mediocre at best. Longer songs seem just bloated, shorter songs aren't as catchy as before. I gotta listen the album of course, but I'm not gonna buy it unless I'm liking it. Which seems kinda unlikely.

One thing that bugs me with reunion-Maiden is those intros. Why every song needs a lengthy intro witha clean guitar? Gets pretty repetitive after some time. The Talisman would be so much better if they'd written the intro better.

I wish Bruce would make another solo album, since they generally beat every Iron Maiden album (starting from Bruce Dickinson Skunkworks).
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 05:27:57 AM
I'm kinda scared they're putting out a double album, since their recent albums have been mediocre at best. Longer songs seem just bloated, shorter songs aren't as catchy as before. I gotta listen the album of course, but I'm not gonna buy it unless I'm liking it. Which seems kinda unlikely.

One thing that bugs me with reunion-Maiden is those intros. Why every song needs a lengthy intro witha clean guitar? Gets pretty repetitive after some time. The Talisman would be so much better if they'd written the intro better.

I wish Bruce would make another solo album, since they generally beat every Iron Maiden album (starting from Bruce Dickinson Skunkworks).

only the middle paragraph matches my views, although some of Bruces albums are better than IM, I wouldnt consider Skunkworks one of them though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: PowerSlave on August 07, 2015, 10:09:48 AM
I remember reading that Bruce has another solo album recorded, but they haven't released it. I'm looking forward to it as well.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 10:21:06 AM
Happy birthday Bruce!
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 07, 2015, 11:53:59 AM
Happy birthday Bruce!
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 12:13:13 PM
I remember reading that Bruce has another solo album recorded, but they haven't released it. I'm looking forward to it as well.

Yeah, I've heard that too. I'm not sure if that was ever confirmed or not. I figure that Roy Z is probably itching to go out and do some shows with Bruce again.

Speaking of which...

Happy birthday Bruce!

Been listening to Iron Maiden all day long in celebration! :tup :metal :hefdaddy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2015, 12:42:44 PM
I'm kinda scared they're putting out a double album, since their recent albums have been mediocre at best.
Wow Ruba I completely disagree. I don't think they've ever been better, and yes, I'm including the 80's stuff.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 01:22:02 PM
I'm kinda scared they're putting out a double album, since their recent albums have been mediocre at best.
Wow Ruba I completely disagree. I don't think they've ever been better, and yes, I'm including the 80's stuff.

They're definitely far more consistent in quality these days than they were back in the 80's.

BTW, someone over at MaidenFans forums posted this earlier today.

Quote
My buddy that I use to work in a record store with, he now works with a magazine company ( I'm not allowed to say) has heard the album and is making a review!! He said that Maiden doesn't want any reviews out until they say so. But he told me that the album sounds like it's own album, but if he had to compare, it's Final Frontier and AMOLAD with a pinch of Somewhere in Time. SiT being the guitars sounding sort of digital, and a great vocal performance by Bruce. He said don't compare production to any other album. It sounds different. Good, but really different. Highlight of the album is with out of doubt Empire of the Clouds. He got me so hyped for this album!!
http://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/the-book-of-souls-official-pre-release-thread-contains-spoilers.31236/page-137#post-527786

I'm liking this description of the album a lot.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ozzy554 on August 07, 2015, 01:29:32 PM
I do agree that post reunion maiden has been very consistent with AMOLAD being one of my favorite maiden albums.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 07, 2015, 01:37:00 PM
The wait for the new single is killing me. Really hope we get to hear it before the 14th.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
I do agree that post reunion maiden has been very consistent with AMOLAD being one of my favorite maiden albums.

This, except AMOLAD IS my favorite IM album.  SiT is probably my second so that review is making me wet.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 02:12:23 PM
I do agree that post reunion maiden has been very consistent with AMOLAD being one of my favorite maiden albums.

This, except AMOLAD IS my favorite IM album.  SiT is probably my second so that review is making me wet.

I'm right there with you, though I'm also a huge fan of SSoaSS. :metal :hefdaddy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 02:26:10 PM
I do agree that post reunion maiden has been very consistent with AMOLAD being one of my favorite maiden albums.

This, except AMOLAD IS my favorite IM album.  SiT is probably my second so that review is making me wet.

I'm right there with you, though I'm also a huge fan of SSoaSS. :metal :hefdaddy

Well, who isn't?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 02:28:37 PM
Well, who isn't?  :biggrin:

Paul Di'Anno, maybe? :biggrin:

I do think that SiT and SSoaSS are the classic era's two best albums. SiT being the most technically challenging and progressive work from the band and SSoaSS is arguably the musical culmination of Maiden through out that whole decade. However I lean a lot towards AMOLAD and have for a long time. :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 02:37:12 PM
I pretty much agree with that, Powerslave right behind those two 80s albums. 
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Post by: Lowdz on August 07, 2015, 03:59:40 PM
Well, who isn't?  :biggrin:

Paul Di'Anno, maybe? :biggrin:

I do think that SiT and SSoaSS are the classic era's two best albums. SiT being the most technically challenging and progressive work from the band and SSoaSS is arguably the musical culmination of Maiden through out that whole decade. However I lean a lot towards AMOLAD and have for a long time. :metal

They were two of the weakest for me.

Killers
Powerslave
PoM
NOTB
SSoaSS
IM
SiT

Of the rest only BNW and AMOLAD are worthy of being in the same company, though all the albums have some great stuff in there, even the Blaze albums  :omg:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 07, 2015, 04:10:50 PM
Premiere of the new song only a week away.  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 04:26:54 PM
Well, who isn't?  :biggrin:

Paul Di'Anno, maybe? :biggrin:

I do think that SiT and SSoaSS are the classic era's two best albums. SiT being the most technically challenging and progressive work from the band and SSoaSS is arguably the musical culmination of Maiden through out that whole decade. However I lean a lot towards AMOLAD and have for a long time. :metal

They were two of the weakest for me.

Killers
Powerslave
PoM
NOTB
SSoaSS
IM
SiT

Of the rest only BNW and AMOLAD are worthy of being in the same company, though all the albums have some great stuff in there, even the Blaze albums  :omg:

I like the other classic albums and have grown to better appreciate them over the past year or so (especially NotB), but SSoaSS and SiT are both more consistent in quality than the previous albums of the 80's. PoM would probably be the closest in quality, but then it has Quest for Fire and arguably Sun & Steel botching that up in the tail-end of the album.

Besides SSoaSS has its title track, which is the best song Maiden wrote in the 80's. Even over Rime or Hallowed.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 07, 2015, 04:28:30 PM
Besides SSoaSS has its title track, which is the best song Maiden wrote in the 80's. Even over Rime or Hallowed.

I think I agree with this.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 04:30:46 PM
Premiere of the new song only a week away.  :metal

Can't wait. Hopefully we'll start getting more interviews and reviews by then too! :metal :hefdaddy

Besides SSoaSS has its title track, which is the best song Maiden wrote in the 80's. Even over Rime or Hallowed.

I think I agree with this.

(http://i.imgur.com/Vs3DqJG.gif)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2015, 04:31:13 PM
Rime yes.
Hallowed. I'm not going there.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 04:41:06 PM
Rime yes.
Hallowed. I'm not going there.

Hallowed is a classic, no questions there. It's actually very close between it and SSoaSS for me, actually, with Phantom of the Opera somewhere in the middle of the mix too. I think both are pretty much flawless songs, so I can see why people might prefer Hallowed.

SSoaSS just has this sense of 'majesty' to it that no other song in Maiden's discography has and the instrumental outro is right there with Powerslave as Adrian and Dave's finest moment as a twin guitar duo. Not to mention Bruce's vocals. Hearing him sing that long note (you know the one) live in 2013 was an otherworldly experience.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2015, 04:52:32 PM
SSOASS is great. I have it around #10 whereas I have Phantom about #5.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
SSOASS is great. I have it around #10 whereas I have Phantom about #5.

Phantom's been a huge grower for me over the years. I always loved the opening and main riff, but it took me a few years to really appreciate the song as a whole. Once I did, it just kept climbing further and further up my favorites list. That said, the best version of the song would almost definitely be the Beast over Hammersmith live version with a newly added Bruce on vocals.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 07, 2015, 07:00:38 PM
1. Hallowed
2. Rime
3. Legacy
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 07, 2015, 07:31:27 PM
1. Hallowed
2. Rime
3. Legacy

The Legacy is another masterpiece! Right there with Lord of Light as my favorite song off of AMOLAD. :metal :tup
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 04:09:33 AM
I think SOTC still gets my number one vote.
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Post by: Mladen on August 09, 2015, 05:29:03 AM
Same with me.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 09, 2015, 08:35:18 AM
I think SOTC still gets my number one vote.

SotC is definitely a top 3 or 5 Maiden song for me. That said, I'm not sure where exactly it is for me these days.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 09, 2015, 09:02:24 AM
I think SOTC still gets my number one vote.

Yeah, Sign of the Cross may well be my number one, too. Other contenders would be Hallowed, The Legacy and, honestly, a handful of songs off TFF (that run of five epics at the end is the best five-song run in the Maiden discography and only The Man Who Would Be King doesn't come immediately to mind when I think about a top ten).
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zantera on August 09, 2015, 09:49:50 AM
As bad as the Blaze era is generally considered, I think Sign of the Cross and Clansman would both be in my top5 Maiden songs, so there's that.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Polarbear on August 09, 2015, 10:06:55 AM
Blaze era doesn't have many great songs, but Sign of the Cross, Clansman and The Educated Fool are awesome.

I would put Dream of Mirrors and The Thin Line Between Love and Hate in my top.10, Both are some of the best material of the reunion era IMO.

SSoaSS, The Legacy, Hallowed Be Thy Name, Revelations and Dream of Mirrors would probably be my top.5.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 09, 2015, 10:35:40 AM
What's amazing is how many GREAT songs they have. Not just good but great.
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Post by: Train of Naught on August 09, 2015, 11:32:38 AM
If I'd have to rank the three songs in question (which are all at least in my top 15) it would probably be:

1. Hallowed
2. Rime
3. SSoaSS
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on August 09, 2015, 01:42:12 PM
SSoaSS is mostly great, but truly suffers for the lame chorus.    I've always said that beginning with SiT and going forward (culminating in the abysmal VXI) 'Arry got incredibly lazy with his chorus'.    That was probably the most refreshing thing about AMOLAD.   There were only maybe 2 songs out of 10 with one phrase repeating itself over and over again.   That's quite a bit more in the ratio of early IM albums.   From SiT forward, at least half of the songs were like that.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 03:41:37 PM
I'd go as far as saying Maiden don't have any bad songs, just songs that aren't as good as others.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 09, 2015, 04:05:31 PM
I'd go as far as saying Maiden don't have any bad songs, just songs that aren't as good as others.

absolutely true
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 04:07:14 PM
El Dorado, Bring Your Daughter and From Here to Eternity are on the edge of being bad though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 09, 2015, 04:08:18 PM
El Dorado, Bring Your Daughter and From Here to Eternity are on the edge of being bad though.

I can't think of any songs from Maiden that I would even remotely consider bad or close to it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 09, 2015, 04:10:34 PM
El Dorado, Bring Your Daughter and From Here to Eternity are on the edge of being bad though.

I can't think of any songs from Maiden that I would even remotely consider bad or close to it.

The Angel and the Gambler is arguably a bad song, I think. Easily Maiden's worst song.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 04:12:28 PM
Yeah that one too.  Although the edited version is excellent.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 09, 2015, 04:17:26 PM
Yeah that one too.  Although the edited version is excellent.

I've never actually listened to the edited version. I imagine it'd probably help tremendously, but I think the chorus itself is probably the worst offender of the old "repeated lyrics" complaint in Iron Maiden's discography.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 04:21:19 PM
Yeah that one too.  Although the edited version is excellent.

I've never actually listened to the edited version. I imagine it'd probably help tremendously, but I think the chorus itself is probably the worst offender of the old "repeated lyrics" complaint in Iron Maiden's discography.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhlRyxWU21s

I think it's better than what you may think.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 04:22:09 PM
Speaking of Blaze, I wanna say that Virus is a fuckin' good song.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 09, 2015, 04:33:52 PM
Yeah that one too.  Although the edited version is excellent.

I've never actually listened to the edited version. I imagine it'd probably help tremendously, but I think the chorus itself is probably the worst offender of the old "repeated lyrics" complaint in Iron Maiden's discography.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhlRyxWU21s

I think it's better than what you may think.

No, this is about what I expected it to be. Editing it down did the song a huge favor, so it's not nearly as bad as the album version is, but the chorus still stinks it up. It's just too repetitive. I can't see Bruce or even Paul doing a better job with that chorus either, it just flat-out needed more time and effort from Steve.

Speaking of Blaze, I wanna say that Virus is a fuckin' good song.

I'm not sure what I think of Virus. It seems like good ideas, but they haven't really clicked with me yet. Granted, I don't think I've listened to the song more than three or four times in my seven years of being a Maiden fan.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 09, 2015, 04:39:12 PM
Speaking of Blaze, I wanna say that Virus is a fuckin' good song.

great song
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Post by: wolfking on August 09, 2015, 05:07:54 PM
Speaking of Blaze, I wanna say that Virus is a fuckin' good song.

great song

Yeah buddy.
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Post by: 425 on August 09, 2015, 08:24:26 PM
El Dorado, Bring Your Daughter and From Here to Eternity are on the edge of being bad though.

El Dorado is great.

The other two are silly.

The Angel and the Gambler is arguably a bad song, I think. Easily Maiden's worst song.

Angel and the Gambler is awesome. It's harmed significantly by being way too long, but the actual good song hidden in the bloat is awesome.



I'd go as far as saying Maiden don't have any bad songs, just songs that aren't as good as others.

Weekend Warrior.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 09, 2015, 08:39:44 PM
The Apparition is a horrible song, as is Weekend Warrior. And don't get me started on the Virtual XI material.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 09, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
The Apparition is a horrible song, as is Weekend Warrior. And don't get me started on the Virtual XI material.

Whoa there!  Lets reel you in a bit, bud.

The Apparition is a good track, and has some pretty cool lyrics that are a-typical of Maiden. 

The only 'bad' track on VXI is really AATG, and as 425 said, and we've discussed before, the single edit of that album largely corrects most of the mistakes they made with that song, namely its length. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 09, 2015, 08:55:07 PM
The Apparition is a horrible song, as is Weekend Warrior. And don't get me started on the Virtual XI material.

The Apparition is shockingly mediocre. Weekend Warrior is bad.

VXI is awesome, easily the second best 90s album.
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Post by: wolfking on August 10, 2015, 05:51:15 AM
The Apparition has a cool structure which saves it IMO, and the instrumental section is killer.  It's not the best song, but I don't mind it.  WW, is borderline too, but the solos save the song also IMO.
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Post by: mrrct on August 10, 2015, 05:57:53 PM
I always hated Wasting Love, and view it as the line of demarcation between the good songs and the bad songs on Fear of the Dark, until it redeems itself with the title track at the end.

I agree with those who hate The Angel and the Gambler.  I find it wretched.  I do like Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter as kind of a guilty pleasure and I also find From Here to Eternity as a very good hard rock song, but maybe a little out of place with Maiden.

I find the last two albums of theirs to be very non-descript as opposed to bad.  I like the track The Final Frontier if you edit out the first four and a half minutes of Satellite 15.  I equate the last two albums to the two Blaze albums:  very little is actually bad, but most of the songs don't register no matter how many times I listen to them.  The Blaze albums might even have more good songs on them (Sign of the Cross, Lord of the Flies, Futureal, The Clansman) than the last two, although they're obviously improved with Dickinson singing them.  Oddly enough, I like the Blaze live version of Afraid to Shoot Strangers better than the Dickinson album version, maybe because Bruce's voice was shot for a few years (NPFTD and FOTD), although it recovered during his solo career.

Wolfking and jjRock88 are right about Virus being a great song.  It's the only reason I still have Best of the Beast, since I already have everything else from that career retrospective on other albums.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 10, 2015, 06:02:24 PM
I also find From Here to Eternity as a very good hard rock song, but maybe a little out of place with Maiden.

Yah, I agree.  I always thought it would make a good AC/DC song when I was growing up.

I watched Raising Hell the other day, god what an awful concert video that was.  The magic stuff is tacky beyond words and the mix is shit, the band is pretty mediocre as well. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 10, 2015, 07:38:26 PM
Bruce yet again proves to be the badass that he is.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-makes-emergency-landing-after-his-replica-war-plane-runs-low-on-fuel/

Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jammindude on August 10, 2015, 08:03:44 PM
I always hated Wasting Love, and view it as the line of demarcation between the good songs and the bad songs on Fear of the Dark, until it redeems itself with the title track at the end.

I agree with those who hate The Angel and the Gambler.  I find it wretched.  I do like Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter as kind of a guilty pleasure and I also find From Here to Eternity as a very good hard rock song, but maybe a little out of place with Maiden.

I find the last two albums of theirs to be very non-descript as opposed to bad.  I like the track The Final Frontier if you edit out the first four and a half minutes of Satellite 15.  I equate the last two albums to the two Blaze albums:  very little is actually bad, but most of the songs don't register no matter how many times I listen to them.  The Blaze albums might even have more good songs on them (Sign of the Cross, Lord of the Flies, Futureal, The Clansman) than the last two, although they're obviously improved with Dickinson singing them.  Oddly enough, I like the Blaze live version of Afraid to Shoot Strangers better than the Dickinson album version, maybe because Bruce's voice was shot for a few years (NPFTD and FOTD), although it recovered during his solo career.

Wolfking and jjRock88 are right about Virus being a great song.  It's the only reason I still have Best of the Beast, since I already have everything else from that career retrospective on other albums.

Nailed it.   

I remember liking FotD as an album a lot more than people give it credit for.   It certainly seemed like a big time comeback after NPftD...which was just a dumb album.   I mean, the opening tracks from the two albums set them apart like night and day from the get go.   Holy Smoke is just silly, and Tailgunner is just freakin AWESOME. 

I also love From Here to Eternity and I'm really shocked by the negative feedback it's getting.   Certainly a livelier chorus than half the other IM songs from the era. 

I don't even know how people can lump TXF and VXI in the same pile.   Besides having Blaze at the helm, the two albums are as far apart as I can imagine.   TXF is a really dark album, and one of the more underrated in the entire catalog...VXI is just crap.     Even the songs that I start out liking (Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger) make me want to smash my stereo before it's finished.    The Clansman is OK, but that's pretty much it's only saving grace.   
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 10, 2015, 08:11:55 PM
I remember liking FotD as an album a lot more than people give it credit for.   It certainly seemed like a big time comeback after NPftD...which was just a dumb album.   I mean, the opening tracks from the two albums set them apart like night and day from the get go.   Holy Smoke is just silly, and Tailgunner is just freakin AWESOME.

 ???

Tailgunner is the opening track on No Prayer for the Dying, not Fear of the Dark! Holy Smoke is track 2 on NPFTD.

FOTD opens up with Be Quick or Be Dead, which is followed by From Here To Eternity, which is sillier than Holy Smoke.


  I don't even know how people can lump TXF and VXI in the same pile.   Besides having Blaze at the helm, the two albums are as far apart as I can imagine.   TXF is a really dark album, and one of the more underrated in the entire catalog

Yes, I agree 100%.

...VXI is just crap.     Even the songs that I start out liking (Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger) make me want to smash my stereo before it's finished.    The Clansman is OK, but that's pretty much it's only saving grace.

No, I disagree 100%. VXI isn't in the league of TXF, but I'd put it in middle-bottom tier. It's easily the second best 90s album.


If you look at the two from a songwriting perspective, it becomes clear that VXI is like an immature BNW. It's the step that they absolutely needed to take to get to Brave New World. BNW definitely would not exist if not for VXI.
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Post by: jammindude on August 10, 2015, 08:21:00 PM
Thank you for the correction.     :facepalm:   Shows you how long it's been since I listened to those albums. 

I think my brain slipped a gear because Holy Smoke was the lead off single...and it's dumb.   BQoBD was the lead off single from FotD and it completely kicks ass. 

But I guess now I've found a song from No Prayer that I actually like (Tailgunner) too bad it's just all downhill after that.

No way FHtE is sillier than Holy Smoke.    Holy Smoke feels like a Spinal Tap song to me, whereas FHtE just feels like straight up  :metal  .   I love it.

EDIT: ...and as far as VXI being an immature BNW, you might have a point.   Too bad Steve didn't learn his lesson though.   I'll never forget how much that album let me down.   I dropped Maiden completely for YEARS after that disappointment.   I wanted the reunion, but I was expecting a return to form.   What I got was.....OK.    Still way too many repetitive choruses.      I never heard any of the new stuff after that until someone told me to check out AMOLAD just about a year ago.   Totally blew my doors off and renewed my interest in Maiden.   Still don't like BNW, but I'm hoping to check out DoD and FF soon.
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Post by: 425 on August 10, 2015, 08:26:00 PM
But I guess now I've found a song from No Prayer that I actually like (Tailgunner) too bad it's just all downhill after that.

 :lol At least something good came of it! I wouldn't dare try to sell anyone on the silly Holy Smoke, Hooks In You or Bring Your Daughter..., but I feel that at least the title track and Mother Russia are awesome, serious songs worthy of another chance.

No way FHtE is sillier than Holy Smoke.    Holy Smoke feels like a Spinal Tap song to me, whereas FHtE just feels like straight up  :metal  .   I love it.

Yeah, Bruce does ham it up more in Holy Smoke... but, lyrically, at least that one has a message that isn't just thinly veiled innuendo.

I also don't really appreciate the way FHTE (and HIY before it) tack on to the Charlotte story but just make it silly instead of smart and meaningfully satirical.
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Post by: bl5150 on August 10, 2015, 08:36:56 PM
I like Holy Smoke  ;D   It's a very light hearted video/song but with an underlying message - similar to Miracle Man by Ozzy.  And I actually like Bruce when he sings in that lower, gruffer range rather than pushing himself to the limit up high.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on August 11, 2015, 01:02:07 AM
Great points about FOTD and NPFTD. I was an avid fan ever since Killers came out and bought every album upon release.
They improved with every album, right up until SSOASS, after that...the air sort of went out of the tire, I guess. There definetely are some great songs on Fear of the dark, but the bad songs are really, REALLY bad.... same with prayer for the dying, tailgunner is great, I even liked holy smoke. Same with the Assassin and Fates warning, and I loved Run silent, run deep.
Hooks in you and Bring your daughter though, are just silly really. And too easy, not Maiden-worthy for me. I seriously went off them after that.
Never bought XI or Virtual X. Glad I caught on with BNW and really regretting never having seen them live until now.... I just hope Kevin Shirley keeps a bit of a raw edge to the sound of the new album though. That fragment sounded a bit too slick for my liking.   :metal
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Post by: Cyclopssss on August 11, 2015, 01:07:03 AM
Bruce yet again proves to be the badass that he is.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-makes-emergency-landing-after-his-replica-war-plane-runs-low-on-fuel/

LOL 'in my spare time I sing a bit'  :mehlin

He looks like a frigging tailgunner in that pic!
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Post by: Mladen on August 11, 2015, 04:39:07 AM
No, I disagree 100%. VXI isn't in the league of TXF, but I'd put it in middle-bottom tier. It's easily the second best 90s album.


If you look at the two from a songwriting perspective, it becomes clear that VXI is like an immature BNW. It's the step that they absolutely needed to take to get to Brave New World. BNW definitely would not exist if not for VXI.
VXI definitely is the 2nd best 90s Maiden album, but even then it's still their 3rd worst album. Which is quite painful to say, I still consider it to be pretty good and massively underrated.

As far as comparisons to BNW go, that's absolutely true. BNW sounds like a slightly upgraded VXI. The songwriting is remarkably similar, and it's a known fact that the band used some leftovers from VXI.
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Post by: Lowdz on August 11, 2015, 04:13:15 PM
Having been a fan from the first album I didn't even buy NPFtD or XF. I have listened to both since and don't feel I'm missing much. I did buy VXI and didn't hate it but I really don't like Blaze's flat, boring voice. Nice bloke though. Had a few drinks with him and Wolfsbane after a gig.
I don't mind Holy Smoke or BYDTTS but by this stage other bands were doing Maiden better than Maiden were and I gravitated to them. I really fell out with Bruce's voice around this time too so his solo stuff didn't grab me either.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 04:19:21 PM
Did you pick up The Chemical Wedding?  That's a prime example of people doing Maiden better than Maiden, and Bruce's voice is back in form.  Even on Accident of Birth really. 
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Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2015, 04:22:34 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 04:29:22 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.

this guy gets it
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Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2015, 04:31:28 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.

If that were true, I would have it.  I do not have it.  In fact, I have never even heard it.  Ergo, it is not the best ever metal album.
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Post by: Lowdz on August 11, 2015, 04:31:37 PM
I have tried it. It's one of those have to be in the mood albums for me. It's a bit dark and I generally don't do dark. Quality album though.
I'm listening to dance of death arm and enjoying it more than I remember .
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 04:37:57 PM
Dark is how I would describe it definitely.  Lyrically, aesthetically and even sonically. 
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Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2015, 04:39:22 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.

If that were true, I would have it.  I do not have it.  In fact, I have never even heard it.  Ergo, it is not the best ever metal album.

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/34/34c5a5d89699a28f2486c23c5b381486b62553f3eba9ebaccf36df6306494e00.jpg)
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Post by: Lowdz on August 11, 2015, 04:43:16 PM
I've moved on to Tyranny of Souls now, probably my favourite Bruce album.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 04:45:18 PM
I really rate that album, besides Believil probably. I just wish Roy's guitar sounded less single-coily.
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Post by: Lowdz on August 11, 2015, 04:48:11 PM
I really rate that album, besides Believil probably. I just wish Roy's guitar sounded less single-coily.

I prefer the guitar sound on this to most Maiden albums and the other Bruce albums. None of that down tuned stuff.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 05:04:07 PM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny!  off the top of my head, Soul Intruders and Kill Devil Hill?
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Post by: TAC on August 11, 2015, 05:44:21 PM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny! 
There sure is, and that's why it took me the longest to appreciate.
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Post by: Mosh on August 11, 2015, 06:00:02 PM
Chemical Wedding is just as good, if not better than anything Maiden ever did. Definitely one of the greatest Metal albums of all time. I wouldn't say the best (that goes to Painkiller for me) but definitely in the top 5.
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Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2015, 06:24:04 PM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny!  off the top of my head, Soul Intruders and Kill Devil Hill?

Most of Bruce's stuff is either standard or Drop D tuning, although CW has songs dropped a lot lower than that.  H even used bass strings apparently to get the bottom end.
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Post by: TAC on August 11, 2015, 06:27:07 PM
Kade, you would know, but Chemical Wedding, while sounding darker than AOB, definitely sounds lighter that TOS.
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Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2015, 07:12:41 PM
Kade, you would know, but Chemical Wedding, while sounding darker than AOB, definitely sounds lighter that TOS.

Hmmm, I don't agree with this.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 11, 2015, 07:40:44 PM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny!  off the top of my head, Soul Intruders and Kill Devil Hill?

Most of Bruce's stuff is either standard or Drop D tuning, although CW has songs dropped a lot lower than that.  H even used bass strings apparently to get the bottom end.

Yep, I've heard that bandied about.  Specifically for King in Crimson and Trumpets of Jericho, both of which would use a low B.  Which explains why they're played one after the other live.   

I always wondered if they meant he had restrung a six string to get that low B, or if he just replaced the B on a standard 7 string with a 0.30-0.35 bass string (which would be the G on a bass guitar).  Either way it must put some gnarly strain on that poor guitar neck. 

Furthermore, why wouldn't you just use a baritone guitar? :lol I guess that's a part of H's charm; he can be deeply idiosyncratic.  I remember watching a video where he talks about first learning the riffs from Accident of Birth that were in 'drop d' and he took to tuning his whole guitar down to D standard - strings flopping about like 6 trouts in a puddle. 

Kade, you would know, but Chemical Wedding, while sounding darker than AOB, definitely sounds lighter that TOS.

Hmmm, I don't agree with this.

I always thought songs like Navigate the Seas of the Sun and Devil on a Hog were much lighter, and more playful than anything on Chemical Wedding. 
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Post by: wolfking on August 11, 2015, 07:49:43 PM
It sounds like a baritone guitar anyway, I also don't understand why they just didn't take that route.  Not sure how they did the bass strings on the guitar either, I don't think there's ever been concrete info on how this was done.  I don't see how that would have worked, surely would have damaged the guitar.

I've seen that video of H also where he had never heard of Drop D until Roy was doing it.  :lol

And yeah, I get the title track and Believil are pretty dark, but not compared to CW IMO.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 11, 2015, 08:22:50 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.

If that were true, I would have it.  I do not have it.  In fact, I have never even heard it.  Ergo, it is not the best ever metal album.

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/34/34c5a5d89699a28f2486c23c5b381486b62553f3eba9ebaccf36df6306494e00.jpg)

Wolfking nailed it.

Bosk, if you haven't heard The Chemical Wedding yet, you need to change that ASAP. Easily the best work to ever come from Bruce, which is saying something.
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Post by: 425 on August 11, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
I haven't heard it either. I've heard Accident of Birth, and thought it was pretty good, but it wasn't really enough to inspire me to buy more solo Bruce.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 11, 2015, 10:07:41 PM
Chemical Wedding = Best ever metal album.

5 star album for sure!
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Post by: ariich on August 12, 2015, 02:56:37 AM
I definitely don't think it's the best ever metal album, but I definitely do think it's fantastic and better than any Maiden album.

I also appear to be the only person who prefers Virtual XI to X Factor.
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Post by: aurorablind on August 12, 2015, 04:10:04 AM
So - two days until Speed of Light comes out! Who`s excited??! :metal
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Post by: Mladen on August 12, 2015, 04:33:41 AM
I'm extremely excited, can't wait till Friday.  :metal
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 12, 2015, 05:36:24 AM
I definitely don't think it's the best ever metal album, but I definitely do think it's fantastic and better than any Maiden album.

I also appear to be the only person who prefers Virtual XI to X Factor.

It's not necessarily my favorite album ever either, but it's the first album that comes to mind when I hear the term "heavy metal." It's the watershed album of the central origins of the metal genre. There are a few other albums, like two or three works from Fates Warning, that I rank higher personally as progressive metal albums.
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 05:39:27 AM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 12, 2015, 05:42:32 AM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.

Did they give an exact time of day for the release?

I am very excited, and also agree that the Chemical Wedding is an amazing album and its in my top 10 all time for sure.
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 05:43:55 AM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.

Did they give an exact time of day for the release?

I am very excited, and also agree that the Chemical Wedding is an amazing album and its in my top 10 all time for sure.

Just had a look and no I can't find one.  I thought they did though, oh well, one more day can't hurt.  ;D
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 12, 2015, 06:14:58 AM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.

Did they give an exact time of day for the release?

I am very excited, and also agree that the Chemical Wedding is an amazing album and its in my top 10 all time for sure.

Just had a look and no I can't find one.  I thought they did though, oh well, one more day can't hurt.  ;D

I'm glad you figured it out.  so I must be getting it like, 3-4 hours before you?  or something.  time zones hurt my head. 
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Post by: Lowdz on August 12, 2015, 06:38:33 AM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny!  off the top of my head, Soul Intruders and Kill Devil Hill?

Hadn't got that far at that point  :biggrin: The memory aint what it was...
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Post by: Lowdz on August 12, 2015, 06:40:12 AM
Kade, you would know, but Chemical Wedding, while sounding darker than AOB, definitely sounds lighter that TOS.

Hmmm, I don't agree with this.

It doesn't come across that way to me. Chemical wedding sounds darker. I don't associate ToS as being a dark album but yes, its there.
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Post by: TAC on August 12, 2015, 07:26:26 AM
New interview with Jannick and Adrian:
http://thequietus.com/articles/18529-iron-maiden-interview
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 12, 2015, 07:32:03 AM
Kade, you would know, but Chemical Wedding, while sounding darker than AOB, definitely sounds lighter that TOS.

Hmmm, I don't agree with this.

It doesn't come across that way to me. Chemical wedding sounds darker. I don't associate ToS as being a dark album but yes, its there.

ToS has its dark moments, but yeah, The Chemical Wedding is definitely a far darker album overall. I don't know how you could listen to both albums and not hear that, regardless of which album you think is actually better.
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Post by: Zantera on August 12, 2015, 11:24:10 AM
Jerusalem and Book of Thel are definitely two of the best BD solo tracks and both are on Chemical Wedding. As awesome as Chemical Wedding is, I always found myself returning to Tyranny of Souls and Skunkworks more often. Those aren't necessarily better than CW, but both were different in their own ways.
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Post by: 425 on August 12, 2015, 11:37:39 AM
New interview with Jannick and Adrian:
http://thequietus.com/articles/18529-iron-maiden-interview

Thanks for posting this, it was pretty interesting.

These two are the members of the band who I wonder most about the working relationships between them, given that one replaced the other and still plays some of his guitar solos live today. It was amusing to see them actually acknowledge the fact that, when there are just two solos on an Adrian- or Janick-written song, they're almost always played by the songwriter and Dave, "so Davey gets to play everything."  :lol

It also just keeps getting more and more interesting to hear about the way that Bruce composed Empire of the Clouds. I'm getting quite excited to hear what that one is like.

This one was also good to read as well, about the working relationship between the guitarists:
Quote from: Adrian Smith
There is nothing above healthy competition. I know if Dave goes in and does a solo in two takes then I’ll be trying to do the same thing; it pushes you to do your best."

There are just so few bands that have three guitarists (much less a situation like this where all three are "lead" guitarists at least some of the time) that I wonder sometimes how these guys do it, logistically as well as personally. I think a majority of metal guitarists wouldn't be able to do it just from a perspective of ego.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 12, 2015, 12:12:22 PM
Yea good points and that was a nice read.  I think what seperates the IM 3 guitarists and their egos is that they kind of were in a been there done that point in their careers and IM was practically dead after V11.  If those guys couldn't come to grips and work together, who knows where they would be today, but most likely not doing anything as big or special as IM.  They all had years of being in a big time band, it was time they started putting the egos aside and work together, in a healthy way.  Im sure the success of BNW helped them continue going down that path. 

Granted that is all just from my head and nothing from interviews or anything sourced from the band, just the way they rub off on me now from reading an interview like that.
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 04:24:54 PM
mate, there's plenty of down tuned guitar on Tyranny!  off the top of my head, Soul Intruders and Kill Devil Hill?

Hadn't got that far at that point  :biggrin: The memory aint what it was...

Kill Devil Hill is drop D, but Soul Intruders is in standard tuning.
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 04:30:54 PM
Interesting to read that Adrian has not been happy with some of the production in the past.  He's happy with this one so hopefully it's a step up from TFF prodution wise.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 12, 2015, 04:38:19 PM
New interview with Jannick and Adrian:
http://thequietus.com/articles/18529-iron-maiden-interview

Cheers for that.

Interesting what he said about Shirley regarding the guitar sounds.  Reminded me of that story on the Rush documentary where Alex Lifeson talks about arguing with Kevin Shirley about putting some reverb on his guitar :lol

Interesting to read that Adrian has not been happy with some of the production in the past.  He's happy with this one so hopefully it's a step up from TFF prodution wise.

yeah that was interesting, I wonder how different AMOLAD would've sounded if H had his way...
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
yeah that was interesting, I wonder how different AMOLAD would've sounded if H had his way...

Probably a lot better.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 12, 2015, 05:21:00 PM
True, I find I trust Adrian's opinion on sound with no basis for that trust other than his superb guitar and his own sound.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 12, 2015, 07:53:57 PM
yeah that was interesting, I wonder how different AMOLAD would've sounded if H had his way...

Probably a lot better.

Probably, but I do think that the sound Shirley and Harris found on AMOLAD at least worked for that album. The same can't be said for TFF, imo.

True, I find I trust Adrian's opinion on sound with no basis for that trust other than his superb guitar and his own sound.

I trust Adrian's opinion based on that and because he apparently had more input on the production of Somewhere in Time. That album had an incredible sound, especially for the guitars.
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Post by: Cool Chris on August 12, 2015, 08:11:17 PM
... when there are just two solos on an Adrian- or Janick-written song, they're almost always played by the songwriter and Dave...

"Just two solos" on a song. Oh the problems of a metal band...  :biggrin:

Thread inspired me to listen to SiT and SSoaSS again, as I don't rank them very high in my IM catalog. After further review, I quite enjoyed SSoaSS. I don't think it is stellar, and has a couple mediocre tracks on it, but has some great songs too and feels solid start to finish. I keep my assessment for SiT the same though. Nothing memorable, so it remains at the bottom of my IM rankings.
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Post by: jammindude on August 12, 2015, 08:14:10 PM
... when there are just two solos on an Adrian- or Janick-written song, they're almost always played by the songwriter and Dave...

"Just two solos" on a song. Oh the problems of a metal band...  :biggrin:

Thread inspired me to listen to SiT and SSoaSS again, as I don't rank them very high in my IM catalog. After further review, I quite enjoyed SSoaSS. I don't think it is stellar, and has a couple mediocre tracks on it, but has some great songs too and feels solid start to finish. I keep my assessment for SiT the same though. Nothing memorable, so it remains at the bottom of my IM rankings.

Thank you.  I no longer feel like the proverbial "red-headed stepchild" of the Iron Maiden community.   Somewhere In Time was disappointing when it first came out, and it's never recovered.    SSoaSS is better, and I've grown to like it quite a bit.   But SiT is mostly pretty boring.
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Post by: 425 on August 12, 2015, 08:16:25 PM
... when there are just two solos on an Adrian- or Janick-written song, they're almost always played by the songwriter and Dave...

"Just two solos" on a song. Oh the problems of a metal band...  :biggrin:


:lol Well, Iron Maiden does solo a lot. A lot of the reunion era epics have solos from all three guitarists.

Though it does help that the solos are often played one after the other in the same solo section. Unless you're specifically listening for the point where the guitarists switch off, you'd probably think that most Maiden songs had just one solo.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 12, 2015, 08:24:35 PM
I always thought it was funny on Wicker Man how Adrian wrote it and plays all the solo breaks, even when they would work well with at least one other guitar playing one of the licks (esp. in the guitar melody leading into the solo).  Seems like he wasn't willing to compromise on that one haha.
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 12, 2015, 08:35:16 PM
I always thought it was funny on Wicker Man how Adrian wrote it and plays all the solo breaks, even when they would work well with at least one other guitar playing one of the licks (esp. in the guitar melody leading into the solo).  Seems like he wasn't willing to compromise on that one haha.

I can hardly blame him on that, seeing as how Janick and Dave seemingly got most of the big guitar moments on BNW, since a lot of it was leftover material from V11.
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Post by: wolfking on August 12, 2015, 09:45:52 PM
I never really looked at Maiden as a 'lots of solos' band.  Sure they only have a couple of songs without solos, but there's nothing overly long in terms of solo length, besides a few tracks from Powerslave.  I actually wish Maiden did more of the long Duelist type 3 minute style instrumental sections.

I could be wrong, but that's what pops in my head, nothing they have really done seems too long instrumental wise.

I also wished Maiden did more shorter solos throughout sections of songs, like King Diamond.  Break the structures down a bit.
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Post by: 425 on August 12, 2015, 10:47:22 PM
I think by number of solos, counting a solo by one guitarist that immediately goes into a solo by another guitarist as two separate solos, they play a high number of solos. But they don't spend a lot of time soloing. That's because, unlike a lot of metal guitarists, Adrian, Dave and Janick seem to prefer playing a brief, tasteful solo to embarking on a minute+ long affair. Consider For the Greater Good of God, on AMOLAD. All three guitarists play solos, each going right into the other. But the whole solo section is only around a minute long, because the solos themselves are compact. I would bet that the median length of an Iron Maiden guitar solo is less than thirty seconds. I think the longest single guitar solo in any Maiden song is probably Adrian's in Stranger In A Strange Land, which is a) an awesome solo and b) not wanky at all. I think the fact that all three of them play compact, tasteful solos is another thing that makes the three guitarist thing work so well. Not one of them feels the need to go off on a 90 second shredfest at any time.
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Post by: nobloodyname on August 13, 2015, 12:44:46 AM
Somewhere In Time was disappointing when it first came out, and it's never recovered. [...]But SiT is mostly pretty boring.

:facepalm:

Oh my giddy aunt!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 13, 2015, 01:15:03 AM
They make the solo's/soli fit the song perfectly, which is a great quality in a band. And I disagree mostly on SiT. I remember when it came out and I read the review and going 'Oh lord, there's synths on the album, must be shit'. Then buying it anyway and playing it and going 'f'ing hell it sounds goregeous!'. Somewhere in time isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be. I love Stranger in a strange land, Wasted years and a couple more. It's the longer songs that drag it down, in my opinion. Lonelyness of the long distance runner....yeah, sorry, can't get into it. Same with Alexander the Great.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: nobloodyname on August 13, 2015, 01:38:45 AM
Nothing I like more when out on my bike for a couple of hours than for The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner to come on. That or Marathon by Rush.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 13, 2015, 05:06:56 AM
Someone posted the lyrics to Speed of Light.
http://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html (http://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 13, 2015, 05:32:09 AM
I actually wish Maiden did more of the long Duelist type 3 minute style instrumental sections.

 :metal I'd love to see something like that too

and with an 18 minute song, I'd imagine there is a long instrumental part
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 13, 2015, 06:17:12 AM
I never really looked at Maiden as a 'lots of solos' band.  Sure they only have a couple of songs without solos, but there's nothing overly long in terms of solo length, besides a few tracks from Powerslave.  I actually wish Maiden did more of the long Duelist type 3 minute style instrumental sections.

I could be wrong, but that's what pops in my head, nothing they have really done seems too long instrumental wise.
I am so with you on The Duelist. In really love that song because of that section.

Caught Somewhere In Time has a pretty long instrumental section.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 13, 2015, 06:23:34 AM
The Duelists is one of the most creative pieces they have done IMO, Flash of the Blade too.

CSIT immediately sprung to mind with the long solo thing too.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 13, 2015, 07:31:25 AM
Someone posted the lyrics to Speed of Light.
http://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html (http://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html)
Seems like quite a ride and to the point.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 13, 2015, 07:31:38 AM
They make the solo's/soli fit the song perfectly, which is a great quality in a band. And I disagree mostly on SiT. I remember when it came out and I read the review and going 'Oh lord, there's synths on the album, must be shit'. Then buying it anyway and playing it and going 'f'ing hell it sounds goregeous!'. Somewhere in time isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be. I love Stranger in a strange land, Wasted years and a couple more. It's the longer songs that drag it down, in my opinion. Lonelyness of the long distance runner....yeah, sorry, can't get into it. Same with Alexander the Great.

SiT is a great album.

Alex is great, Caught Somewhere In Time is great, Wasted Years is great, Stranger In a Strange Land is terrific. Sea of Madness is really good as well, and Heaven Can Wait is solid. Deja Vu is kind of eh and Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is middle-of-the-road for Maiden, but all of their 80s albums had a song or two that are kind of like that (Gangland, Quest For Fire/Sun and Steel, Can I Play With Madness,etc.)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 13, 2015, 08:40:18 AM
Someone posted the lyrics to Speed of Light.
http://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html (http://www.metrolyrics.com/speed-of-light-lyrics-iron-maiden.html)
Seems like quite a ride and to the point.

I thought when I opened it, I would see these lyrics instead as a joke:

Quote
All the force of nature, chaos and the death of hope
Don't resist them and accept the death of all you know
You walk alone and face the darkness you will be reborn
Rediscover your existence in it's purest form
Searching for the reasons why, will you know when it's your time?
Time flashes before your eyes
Watch everything change at the speed of light
The speed of light
As the future casts a shadow into here and now
Time tells a secret whisper it without a sound
You trust yourself your instincts or the answers of mankind
Will you ever have the strength to leave this world and find
Searching for the reasons why will you know when it's your time?
Time flashes before your eyes
Watch everything change at the speed of light
Time flashes before your eyes
Watch everything change at the speed of light
The speed of light
All the force of nature, chaos and the death of hope
Don't resist them and accept the death of all you know
You walk alone and face the darkness you will be reborn
Rediscover your existence in it's purest form
Searching for the reasons why, will you know when it's your time?
Time flashes before your eyes
Watch everything change at the speed of light
Time flashes before your eyes
Watch everything change at the speed of light
The speed of light
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on August 13, 2015, 10:46:59 AM
Most people would still fall for it.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 13, 2015, 11:24:16 AM
They make the solo's/soli fit the song perfectly, which is a great quality in a band. And I disagree mostly on SiT. I remember when it came out and I read the review and going 'Oh lord, there's synths on the album, must be shit'. Then buying it anyway and playing it and going 'f'ing hell it sounds goregeous!'. Somewhere in time isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be. I love Stranger in a strange land, Wasted years and a couple more. It's the longer songs that drag it down, in my opinion. Lonelyness of the long distance runner....yeah, sorry, can't get into it. Same with Alexander the Great.

SiT is a great album.

Alex is great, Caught Somewhere In Time is great, Wasted Years is great, Stranger In a Strange Land is terrific. Sea of Madness is really good as well, and Heaven Can Wait is solid. Deja Vu is kind of eh and Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is middle-of-the-road for Maiden, but all of their 80s albums had a song or two that are kind of like that (Gangland, Quest For Fire/Sun and Steel, Can I Play With Madness,etc.)

I actually like Deja Vu a lot personally. To me, the weakest song on the album is actually Heaven Can Wait, due to its mismatched chorus. Alexander's lyrics are really weak, but it's saved by just how musically brilliant the song is. It's arguably the most progressive song in Maiden's catalogue. 

My favorite on SiT is probably Sea of Madness. Really underrated song from Adrian, imo.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 13, 2015, 11:40:06 AM
I actually like Deja Vu a lot personally. To me, the weakest song on the album is actually Heaven Can Wait, due to its mismatched chorus. Alexander's lyrics are really weak, but it's saved by just how musically brilliant the song is. It's arguably the most progressive song in Maiden's catalogue. 

My favorite on SiT is probably Sea of Madness. Really underrated song from Adrian, imo.
This. And Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is great, too.
How about some SiT rankings :P
1. Sea of Madness/Wasted Years
3. Deja-Vu
4. Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
5. Caught Somewhere in Time
6. Stranger in a Strange Land
7. Alexander the Great
8. Heaven Can Wait
Still I love them all but HCW, good track but I don't care for it.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 13, 2015, 12:09:47 PM
1. Alexander the Great
2. Stranger In a Strange Land
3. Caught Somewhere In Time
4. Wasted Years
5. Sea of Madness
6. Heaven Can Wait
7. The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
8. Deja Vu
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 13, 2015, 12:33:29 PM
1. Sea of Madness
2. Alexander the Great
3. Caught Somewhere in Time
4. Stranger in a Strange Land
5. Deja Vu
6. Wasted Years
7. The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
8. Heaven Can Wait

I think that'd be my ranking for the album, but I'd really need to listen to it again to be sure. Like I said before, Alex's lyrics are weak, but the music itself is simply superb, which still keeps it near the top of the album for me.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Scorpion on August 13, 2015, 12:43:54 PM
I feel like I might be the only Maiden fan in existance that doesn't care for Wasted Years even a little bit. Easily the most boring song on that record, and such a waste of a killer intro riff.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 13, 2015, 01:37:57 PM
1. Caught Somewhere in Time
2. Deja Vu
3. Alexander the Great
4. Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
5. Wasted Years
6. Stranger in a Stange Land
7. Heaven Can Wait
8. Sea of Madness
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 13, 2015, 02:02:52 PM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.

Did they give an exact time of day for the release?

I am very excited, and also agree that the Chemical Wedding is an amazing album and its in my top 10 all time for sure.

Just had a look and no I can't find one.  I thought they did though, oh well, one more day can't hurt.  ;D

8am BST according to their recent FB post.

https://www.youtube.com/ironmaiden (https://www.youtube.com/ironmaiden)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 13, 2015, 02:20:05 PM
Can't wait! Btw pretty cool that their YT page have uploaded old videos in HD.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 13, 2015, 03:49:12 PM
Trying to figure out when I'll get the new song, probably Saturday morning for me, I think I'm like 12 hours ahead, can't wait.

Did they give an exact time of day for the release?

I am very excited, and also agree that the Chemical Wedding is an amazing album and its in my top 10 all time for sure.

Just had a look and no I can't find one.  I thought they did though, oh well, one more day can't hurt.  ;D

8am BST according to their recent FB post.

https://www.youtube.com/ironmaiden (https://www.youtube.com/ironmaiden)

Thanks mate, it's that time right now where I am, so maybe that works out to later on tonight.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 13, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
Midnight tonight for me. Can't wait!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 13, 2015, 03:55:43 PM
I feel like I might be the only Maiden fan in existance that doesn't care for Wasted Years even a little bit. Easily the most boring song on that record, and such a waste of a killer intro riff.

ahhh what?  It was definitely one of the highlights of the show when they came to NZ in 08, it was an epic sing along.  so much feels. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 13, 2015, 03:59:55 PM
Midnight tonight for me. Can't wait!

Midnight, damn gotta wait up.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Big Hath on August 13, 2015, 09:24:46 PM
Midnight tonight for me. Can't wait!

I guess they should have made it 7:58 BST so it could have been 2 minutes to midnight for you.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 13, 2015, 09:27:54 PM
It already leaked actually...

 :hat
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ozzy554 on August 13, 2015, 09:45:34 PM
pretty good. It definitely sounds like a single to me.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 13, 2015, 09:57:28 PM
It reminds me a lot of Deep Purple and Dio-era Black Sabbath. Much heavier than Different World or The Final Frontier were. It's almost definitely my favorite single from the post-reunion era so far.

Bruce sounds incredible. It's even more mind-boggling when you realize that he had to have been recording with two undiagnosed tumors in his mouth.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: aurorablind on August 13, 2015, 11:55:14 PM
Love it!  :metal
It`s so refresshing to hear the classic Smith/Dickinson-colab-sound again.
It may be the best single since Wicker Man.

The only thing Im not to fond of is Dave`s solo. Sounds pretty uninspired IMO.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 14, 2015, 12:35:43 AM
Quality's not too good but I like the song a lot. Not one of their best but a solid track for sure.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Train of Naught on August 14, 2015, 01:12:18 AM
LOVE the intro, when in need, resort to the goo' old cowbell.
Gotta say the rest of the song didn't totally live up to that intro, but it's still an awesome track.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: aurorablind on August 14, 2015, 01:14:09 AM
Official music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F7A24f6gNc
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: adace on August 14, 2015, 01:20:45 AM
Official music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F7A24f6gNc
That was awesome :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: theseoafs on August 14, 2015, 01:26:35 AM
Music video is pretty interesting.  Not every moment was captivating but there were some stellar parts, particularly Eddie beating up the devil with text from the HUD in the fighting game  :lol

The song is pretty good on first listen.  Pretty much par for the course for Maiden at this point, a very catchy, upbeat single.  The thing I'm most ambivalent about is the vocal melodies, which are kind of bland and odd.  Usually Maiden's melodies are much stronger, though there are some exceptions (looking at you, Wildest Dreams).  But the band is on point and I agree that the intro is excellent.  Could be a decent show opener, If Eternity Should Fall will fill that role if history is any indication.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 14, 2015, 01:30:10 AM
Loved it! Both the song and the video.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on August 14, 2015, 01:37:54 AM
Well, It's a lead single song definitely. A good enough song that gets you hyped for the album, but you just hope that there's a lot of better songs in the album, which is most likely given what these guys are capable of.  The video was great though. You can see a variation of the Powerslave pyramid in the background at around 2:05 of the video.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 14, 2015, 01:59:19 AM
I'm a sucker for these kind of shorter, snappier songs from them. That's the Maiden I fell in love with as a teenager, songs like Aces High, The Trooper, and The Evil That Men Do. The longer and more experimental stuff from their reunion albums are nice and all, but not really what I prefer.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: ErHaO on August 14, 2015, 04:02:22 AM
Love it. Classic IM and good to hear they still got it. And I'm sure we will get some "special" songs as well, especially since it is a double album and their last few records had some interesting epics.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: krands85 on August 14, 2015, 04:32:57 AM
 :lol That video  :coolio As always with me, it'll take a few listens before I can judge the song. I'm not too worried if I don't end up being too excited by it though, it's the longer pieces I'm more intrigued to hear.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mladen on August 14, 2015, 04:33:58 AM
I'm blown away. That chorus is gonna stick in my head the entire day.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Polarbear on August 14, 2015, 04:53:40 AM
That is an awesome single! It has a pretty similar vibe with Wicker Man IMO.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 14, 2015, 04:53:56 AM
LOVE IT  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 14, 2015, 05:27:43 AM
Im going to try my best to hold off and listen when I get home from work so my first experience of the new single from my favorite band can come from a happy place, not work.  If that makes any sense.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Art on August 14, 2015, 05:34:04 AM
Loved it! Both the song and the video.

This! And i agree with "best single since Wicker Man" too. Cool song!  :metal
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Post by: jammindude on August 14, 2015, 06:20:16 AM
Definitely has a AMOLAD vibe to it that I'm getting...and that's a GREAT thing.   And the chorus isn't just the title of the song repeated over and over!!!  YAY!!!!!

Love that video.  So many nuggetz that I'm going to have to watch it again.   
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 14, 2015, 06:36:17 AM
I found it decent, but maybe it'll need a couple more listens.  Great solo though.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 14, 2015, 06:44:23 AM
I'm not a huge IM fan, but that sounded like a decent single from them. I look forward to hearing more.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bl5150 on August 14, 2015, 06:46:03 AM
I'm not a huge IM fan, but that sounded like a decent single from them. I look forward to hearing more.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 14, 2015, 07:39:07 AM
By the way, that scream in the intro reminds me of Be Quick Or Be Dead.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Art on August 14, 2015, 07:47:37 AM
Yeah, that scream is pure 90´s Bruce.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 14, 2015, 09:01:05 AM
Yeah, that scream is pure 90´s Bruce.

Actually, I'd say it's pure Ian Gillan. But yeah, Bruce did do that sort of thing back in the 90's too.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on August 14, 2015, 09:38:05 AM
The song is pretty good on first listen.  Pretty much par for the course for Maiden at this point, a very catchy, upbeat single.  The thing I'm most ambivalent about is the vocal melodies, which are kind of bland and odd.  Usually Maiden's melodies are much stronger, though there are some exceptions (looking at you, Wildest Dreams).  But the band is on point and I agree that the intro is excellent.  Could be a decent show opener, If Eternity Should Fall will fill that role if history is any indication.

That pretty much sums up my initial reaction precisely.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Stadler on August 14, 2015, 10:12:21 AM
I'm scared now; generally, I succumb to these teasers, absolutely hate them, resolve to never pre-listen again, and then am blown away once the CD is released (Van Halen, DT x2, David Gilmour). 

I LOVED THIS.  I don't quite get the criticisms on the vocals in the chorus; I love the touch of echo, and thought it was strong and catchy.   Sometimes Maiden's melodies are TOO angular (Mother Russia comes to mind) but these are as cool as the other side of the pillow. 

The video was five minutes and three seconds of pure nuggets, on the Maiden level and the video game level.  LOVED THAT TOO!!!

Really pumped up now; I hope I'm not let down. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 14, 2015, 10:15:51 AM
Im going to try my best to hold off and listen when I get home from work so my first experience of the new single from my favorite band can come from a happy place, not work.  If that makes any sense.

Yeah, I'm also going to wait until the workday is over to listen, if I decide to listen at all.

Whether or not I'm going to listen to a single put out before an album's release is always a 50-50 thing. And I don't really know how I decide whether I'm going to or not, I just decide. I've never really regretted it either way. Haven't decided here yet.
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Post by: mrrct on August 14, 2015, 11:56:28 AM
I saw the video on Bla*******th a few moments ago.  The song was just okay, but the video was great.  I liked the references to Donkey Kong and Double Dragon, and I'm sure there were more that someone who hasn't been retired from gaming for years could identify.  I could never get my copy of Ed Hunter to work, so I don't know if any of the footage comes from that. 

The song at least wasn't as repetitive chorus-wise as most of them have been since Bruce and Adrian returned to the band, but it wasn't as melodic either.  I'll have to give it a few more listenings.
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Post by: Lowdz on August 14, 2015, 12:25:00 PM
Yup,  that was pretty good. Cool video. Not sure about the comments saying Bruce can't sing anymore.  I thought he sounded better than on FF.
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Post by: Stadler on August 14, 2015, 01:07:36 PM
I didn't mention it, and I haven't seen it mentioned, but I LOVED the riff in that song.   I'm not sure yet who's playing what, but Dave Murray may be the most underrated player in rock today if not rock history.  (Yes, I said that.)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cool Chris on August 14, 2015, 01:34:56 PM
I came in her to type that I loved the riff too. It might be the best part of the song for me. I thought the solos were good to great, and suited the song well enough. The vocal melodies were the only drawback of the song for me. But even so, they weren't bad, just the only noticeably underwhelming part.
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Post by: TAC on August 14, 2015, 01:42:50 PM
I came in her
You what?  :omg:
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Cool Chris on August 14, 2015, 02:00:18 PM
Well, she didn't propose any alternate locations.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 14, 2015, 02:40:02 PM
By the way, that scream in the intro reminds me of Be Quick Or Be Dead.
Yeah, but thankfully the vocals are much better. FOTD is Bruce's worst album with Maiden.


God, I love Iron Maiden!
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Post by: Nick on August 14, 2015, 02:44:46 PM
I despise judging sound off of youtube/mp3s, but the one thing I keep thinking about this release is that I don't like the sound of the drums. Not sure if it's lack of volume, lack of punch, or the overall mix, but I just don't really like how they sound.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 14, 2015, 02:46:25 PM
Really great song.

I have a feeling this is gonna be their best album.
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Post by: Nick on August 14, 2015, 02:47:31 PM
Oh, the other thing is, although I only thought this was a decent song, that's the best video I've seen in ages.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Mister Gold on August 14, 2015, 03:09:49 PM
I really love the more gritty vocal style Bruce seems to be using on this song. It suits him really well. :metal
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 14, 2015, 03:14:10 PM
Oh, the other thing is, although I only thought this was a decent song, that's the best video I've seen in ages.

It really is. As A matter of fact, I'm gonna watch again.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 14, 2015, 03:54:11 PM
very good song

I enjoyed it
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Post by: wolfking on August 14, 2015, 04:09:43 PM
Sounds like again we are going to get a subpar sounding album, the production sounds muddy and flat yet again.

I don't know, this song just doesn't get me excited.  It's certainly a Maiden single though and through and I'm sure will grow, but for me it's just okay, certainly nothing brilliant at all.  And the solos are getting way too samey and less creative IMO.  Also, Bruce sounds really great except on the chorus, I feel he's straining a bit too much.

Not really what I expected, but it does have somewhat of a classic Maiden feel.

The video's good too, I like the Robocop vs Terminator part in there, use to love that game.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 14, 2015, 04:10:48 PM
I'm much more interested in hearing this 18 minute epic!
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 14, 2015, 07:09:48 PM
My feelings have pretty much all been covered here.

1: The video is fantastic
I could never get my copy of Ed Hunter to work, so I don't know if any of the footage comes from that.
Nah, there's nothing in there from that, but the whole time I was thinking "This is what EdHunter SHOULD'VE been" because then EdHunter would be awesome and not a steaming pile of EdShit. 

2: Nicko's snare is more boxey than ringy, which gives an 80s Maiden vibe to it I feel - I welcome it, although I can see how some people would perceive that as 'dead' sounding.

3: Bruce sounds amazing, and channelling some major Dio vibes.

4: This might be one of the only singles posr-reunion that isn't in the key of E, and doesn't rely on the typical VI-VII-I Maiden run (those numbers may be wrong as my theory is rubbish, but I'm thinking that E-C-D thing that is a Maiden cliché), that to me makes it sound fresh, and has me pumped way more than the lead singles of TFF.

I'm absolutely stoked with the song, and am now even more pumped for the album - WAY more than I ever was for TFF and I feel like this could be a huge step up for me personally. 
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Post by: TempusVox on August 15, 2015, 12:09:53 AM
I loved it!  :metal
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Post by: Mister Gold on August 15, 2015, 12:24:56 AM
So the band just released the song on Spotify and iTunes and the production sounds much better there than it does on the music video on YouTube. Dunno if it's perfect or anything, but it sounds a lot cleaner and Steve is actually audible/meaty.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2015, 09:08:05 AM
Watched it three times in a row when I got home from work last night.  I love it!  The song grew on me each listen and I dig it a lot.  I feel like the vocal melodies reminded me of El Durado, but this was a much better overall song.  The mix sounds like a bit like the last two albums, but maybe worse, hard to tell by youtube.
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Post by: The King in Crimson on August 15, 2015, 09:17:53 AM
Sounds like a rather typical Iron Maiden single, which is good but not very exciting.
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Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2015, 03:40:45 AM
So the band just released the song on Spotify and iTunes and the production sounds much better there than it does on the music video on YouTube. Dunno if it's perfect or anything, but it sounds a lot cleaner and Steve is actually audible/meaty.

This is good to read.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 16, 2015, 02:20:17 PM
So the band just released the song on Spotify and iTunes and the production sounds much better there than it does on the music video on YouTube. Dunno if it's perfect or anything, but it sounds a lot cleaner and Steve is actually audible/meaty.

This is good to read.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 23, 2015, 01:09:44 PM
Iron Maiden dedicate new song 'Tears of a Clown' to Robin Williams

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/iron_maiden_dedicate_new_song_tears_of_a_clown_to_robin_williams.html
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 23, 2015, 02:51:08 PM
That's pretty awesome! Have they ever dedicated a song for someone before?
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Post by: wolfking on August 23, 2015, 05:12:58 PM
Cool as, now lets hear it.  ;D

That's pretty awesome! Have they ever dedicated a song for someone before?

I don't think they have.
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Post by: aurorablind on August 24, 2015, 12:50:49 AM
I don`t think they have dedicated a song to a person directly, but they have songs inspired by specific persons.
Remember Tomorrow was about Paul Diannos grandfather.
Fear is the key was inspired by the death of Freddie Mercury.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 24, 2015, 02:28:11 AM
A look at the new Eddie, courtesy of the latest Metal Hammer Norway.

(https://maidenrevelations.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/bookeddie.jpg)
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Post by: Mladen on August 24, 2015, 02:34:56 AM
Wow, that's just fantastic.
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Post by: wolfking on August 24, 2015, 05:39:43 AM
Should have had that full body kind of shot on the cover IMO.  Looks more powerful.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 24, 2015, 07:42:06 AM
Looks cool!
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Post by: ErHaO on August 24, 2015, 03:02:18 PM
So far things are shaping up nicely. Double album,  a long epic, song titles sound good, a solid single with fitting production and even the art looks nice. Reviews sound great but yeah, early reviews tend to do that.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 24, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
So far things are shaping up nicely. Double album,  a long epic, song titles sound good, a solid single with fitting production and even the art looks nice. Reviews sound great but yeah, early reviews tend to do that.

Its not too far away for us all to form our own opinions.  There is definitely a lot of positive vibes around this release though so hopefully it keeps up with expectations!  :metal
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Post by: wolfking on August 24, 2015, 04:50:40 PM
I wish they'd release another song.  Can't even find samples, they are definitely keeping this locked up tight.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Zydar on August 25, 2015, 10:03:21 AM
Their new Boeing 747-400 Jumbo Jet (aka Queen of The Skies) for their world tour next year.

"Vocalist Bruce Dickinson is currently in training for his licence to fly the massive four engine jet, which is almost twice the size and over three times the weight of the Boeing 757 used on previous tours in 2008/9/11."

(http://www.ironmaiden.com/fefiles/images/JET-003B_1000.jpg)
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2015, 10:12:58 AM
Here's the link to their page"
http://www.ironmaiden.com/iron-maiden-and-the-book-of-souls-go-jumbo-on-massive-2016-world-tour.html


So 3 US shows in February and then 10 more US/Canadian shows in early April.
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Post by: Stadler on August 25, 2015, 10:38:37 AM
Maiden is bad-ass.  Everyone else is a poseur compared to that.   
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 25, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Hopefully I get to see them on this tour.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2015, 01:47:45 PM
Hopefully I get to see them on this tour.

If I read that right, there's only 10 US/Canada shows. Like a lottery.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on August 25, 2015, 01:52:18 PM
If there's only 10 US/Canada shows, it will probably be the big areas (Toronto, LA, NYC, Chicago, etc.), and if that's the case and they do hit SoCal, I hope I can find some pretty cheap nosebleed tickets (too cheap to do GA).
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2015, 02:43:33 PM
If there's only 10 US/Canada shows, it will probably be the big areas (Toronto, LA, NYC, Chicago, etc.), and if that's the case and they do hit SoCal, I hope I can find some pretty cheap nosebleed tickets (too cheap to do GA).

I think the best guesses are like you said and that would include LA IMO.  I am definitely hoping for a NYC date, but I am not too worried.
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Post by: 425 on August 25, 2015, 03:10:26 PM
pls charlotte
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Post by: ozzy554 on August 25, 2015, 03:51:15 PM
i hope one of the 13 dates is in Massachusetts
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Post by: wolfking on August 25, 2015, 03:56:41 PM
Hoping for an Australian tour too.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 25, 2015, 04:20:17 PM
Did I read right? Bruce is currently training to fly Boeing 747... Holy Cow! :lol

(http://www.ironmaiden.com/fefiles/images/edforceone_infographic.jpg)
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Post by: wolfking on August 25, 2015, 04:30:07 PM
Bruce is just a beast.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 25, 2015, 04:41:44 PM
Hoping for an Australian tour too.

Bro it literally says Aus and NZ first half of May,

YUSS!!! FUCK!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: wolfking on August 25, 2015, 04:53:09 PM
Hoping for an Australian tour too.

Bro it literally says Aus and NZ first half of May,

YUSS!!! FUCK!!!!!!!!!

Holy shit, you're right, I didn't even look at that!!!!!!!

(http://memecrunch.com/meme/2BKXP/yes-motherfucker/image.png)
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Post by: Mladen on August 26, 2015, 03:40:06 AM
Just when I thought they couldn't go any bigger. This band is seriously pushing some boundaries and thinking outside the box.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 05:14:26 AM
Can you believe it's less than two weeks until the Book of Souls?!  :eek
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 05:22:22 AM
9.5/10 from blabbermouth.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/cdreviews/the-book-of-souls/
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Post by: TAC on August 26, 2015, 06:16:28 AM
Can you believe it's less than two weeks until the Book of Souls?!  :eek
Just thinking this yesterday! Next Friday!!!
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Post by: Zydar on August 26, 2015, 07:09:44 AM
9.5/10 from blabbermouth.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/cdreviews/the-book-of-souls/

Nice!
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2015, 08:25:20 AM
That sounds promising!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 26, 2015, 12:26:41 PM
Saw this on FB, someone was lucky enough to fly with captain Bruce:

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/11954614_10153742074021159_5907437306748683476_n.jpg?oh=48ca4d63c603f2bd34d015a58a4466b2&oe=5681A8AF)

Had no idea that the plane did even exist yet, let alone be flyable.  :metal

Edit: Wait a minute, is that really the cockpit of a 747? Looks a bit tiny?
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Post by: Stadler on August 26, 2015, 12:37:17 PM
One I don't believe that is a 747; I thought the cockpit was up above the nose cone.

Two, my love (yes, love) for Bruce knows no bounds, and so I respect his judgement, but surely it's not a good idea to fly a jumbo jet with the front window open...
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 26, 2015, 12:43:12 PM
Yea it does look tiny. Might be the old 757 repainted. The guy said they were on a studio tour in Paris which included the flight with Bruce, I think i've heard about that before.
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Post by: devieira73 on August 26, 2015, 12:48:24 PM
A track by track review: http://www.examiner.com/review/iron-maiden-returns-with-the-book-of-souls  :metal

It's been five long years since metal giants Iron Maiden have graced us with new music. The generally well received The Final Frontier came out in 2010 and saw Maiden pick up their first Grammy award. Since their return to dominance in 2000 with the Brave New World album, the band has seen their popularity soar to unprecedented heights in the United States. They've always been massive around the world, but for whatever reason, they struggled to break through to the mainstream in America. That is no longer the case, as each of their post-2000 records have seen them grow their base here as well as the rest of the world. After what has seemed like an eternity, The Book of Souls is complete and I've been fortunate enough to hear it prior to it's September 4th release date.

IronMaiden.com
The album has many vintage Maiden moments, but also shows that the band continues to grow. That's a trend that has really been going on since The X Factor. Rather than solely be a metal band, they've pushed forward to new heights and have reached into progressive rock elements for the past twenty years. This has allowed the band to remain relevant and remain the most dominant live metal outfit in the world. Let's dive into this latest gem, which is sure to grow into another must have for their rabid fan base.
Iron Maiden - The Book of Souls
1. If Eternity Should Fail
The album starts off triumphantly, almost as if to announce their return proudly. If you had doubts about whether Bruce Dickinson's voice has held up, those doubts are quickly erased during the intro. The classic Maiden gallop finally kicks in and instantly the song becomes pure Iron Maiden. If I had one complaint about this album's predecessor, it's that there wasn't enough of that iconic Iron Maiden aggression. Midway through the song, you get a heavy dose of Steve Harris and company in an instrumental piece that is reminiscent of the Killers era. This, however, has something that that era did not have: Bruce Dickinson, ladies and gentlemen.
2. Speed of Light
This is the only single so far to be released from the album. At first listen, like I have for the past four Maiden records, I thought the single was kind of "meh". Also, like I have for the past four albums, that song has began to grow on me. The track kicks off with one of Bruce's well known screams before jumping into a song that feels like it could have been included on 2010's The Final Frontier album. It has the same vibe as El Doradobut let's Dickinson show off his pipes on the chorus, similar to the way he did on The Talisman. The thing that it has most going for it, though, is that guitar hook. I've been humming it for the past two weeks.
3. The Great Unknown
The song starts out with the kind of slow intro that we've become accustomed to for the past twenty years. The guitars really add a nice layer of crunch to it during the verses before making way for another soaring Dickinson led chorus. The three headed monster on guitar of Dave Murray, Adrian Smith, and Janick Gers ferociously own this song before pulling off for the same outro that started the song. This staple of modern Maiden works flawlessly on this track.
4. The Red and the Black
This song has a real neat intro before kicking into the first true epic of the record. The track has a verySomewhere in Time era meets The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg vibe going on. Maybe Maiden fanatics wouldn't think that would work, but it does. It doesn't stay there, either. The song grows and grows, weaving through time changes and master musicianship as it builds to its peak. Most importantly, though, this song is complete with many of the famous Iron Maiden "whoa-oh-whoa" chorus types that will undoubtedly make for a fantastic live experience. Now, will they be willing to play this 13+ minute behemoth live? We will have to wait and see!
5. When the River Runs Deep
The fifth track on the record doesn't waste any time. There is no slow intro, actually quite the opposite. This song punches you right out of the gate and quite possibly could be another single from the album. The tempo that it is played at reminds you of tracks from their self titled debut album, but the music itself sounds very modern and relevant. This song should/could get serious airplay on radio if it's released as a single.
6. The Book of Souls
The album's title track begins with an acoustic intro, which was unheard of until 2003's Dance of Deathalbum. When the song really kicks in, you immediately become aware of the underrated drumming of Nicko McBrain. He can tend to get overshadowed by the Steve Harris gallop and the three headed guitar attack, let alone the soaring vocals of Dickinson. Is this Where Eagles Dare? No, it's not, but Nicko's fat drum beat is very present and keeps this song together. Really, you could say that about most of their songs, we just tend to take it for granted and don't always appreciate it like we ought to. Then, out of nowhere, the song goes full steam ahead with Powerslave era ferociousness. This could be another option for the band to perform live. It's long, but aren't they all, really? For a long time, Maiden fanatics have been calling for a return of that Maiden aggression. Well, here you go!
7. Death or Glory
There are portions of this record, musically, that show the band at their most Paul Di'Anno era tempo since Bruce joined the band. With Dickinson's vocals soaring behind this hard hitting music, it really makes you wonder how much better those first two records could have been. That's not a shot at Di'Anno, but Bruce once again shows why he is simply the best in the business. There is no other metal vocalist that does what he does, quite like he does it. This song could also have been the lead single to the record. In recent years, with the band's progressive push, there have been a lot of fans calling for some shorter, heavy hitting tracks to balance out the epics. This song does that and could quite easily wind up as one of those modern "classics".
8. Shadows of the Valley
This song begins with a very Wasted Years type of introduction. The lyrics even include a nod to anotherSomewhere in Time track. Like the classic era Maiden songs do, this one has you bopping your head and pumping your fists in the air. Perhaps, you're even playing air guitar or air drums. If you're expecting this album to drop off, it isn't going to happen. The guitarists trade solos before another verse and ending with an even better "oh-oh-oh" piece than on The Red and the Black. Combine that with it's much shorter time, that perhaps gives this one an advantage to being played live.
9. Tears of a Clown
A few days ago, we learned that this song was a tribute to the late Robin Williams. While I don't understand why or how that situation came to be, this song nobly attempts to take you into that mindset. Not necessarily the mindset of taking your life, but the mindset of being alone while among a crowd. As fitting as the tribute to him is, the most important thing is the song is a fantastic piece of musicianship. You can feel the heart that was put into this one, especially. This could be yet another live option for the Book of Souls World Tour.
10. The Man of Sorrows
Similar to the first track, this song begins with Bruce just showing off his God given skills. It builds into one of those songs that fits their post-reunion albums. It follows a tried and true formula, changes time, and features multiple guitar solos. If that doesn't say Iron Maiden, I'm not sure what does.
11. Empire of the Clouds
Ever since this record was announced, I've been impatiently waiting to hear this 18 minute closer to the album. It's been labeled as a Bruce Dickinson masterpiece. Let me tell you, it DOESN'T disappoint. The first few minutes of the song are a nice melody on the piano, played by Bruce! Who knew?!?! After a military march type drum intro, the vocals come in, still over top of his piano piece. This album shows Maiden at a place that they've not been before. This is so important for a band like them, to still make inspired and relevant music. Like they've done time and time again (Rime of the Ancient Mariner; When the Wild Wind Blows; Alexander the Great; etc.) the band tells a story. As the listener, you'd think that 18 minutes would be overkill and that you'd lose interest in the "story". Well, I'm here to tell you that you don't. The band weaves in between pieces of music that make up this song in a way that has you thinking about everything except how long the track is. Like the record as a whole, this track captures the entire band as one cohesive unit that's on the same page. There have been moments on the more recent albums, that don't leave you with that "one unit" vibe. It's great to see that the six piece truly saved the best for last. Masterpiece might be an understatement.
Support real music, America, and pick up a copy of The Book of Souls on September 4th across the United States.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 01:58:03 PM
These reviews are salavating
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Post by: Stadler on August 26, 2015, 02:34:21 PM
I can't friggin' wait.   I've sort of not bothered to see them live since... what was the shed tour they did with Dio a couple years back?  Not for any specific reason, other than I've seen them live a bazillion times, and I'm more interested in checking off boxes of bands I haven't seen live yet first. 

But I may see this one.  My daughter is big into Egypt and Egyptian art, and was absolutely fascinated by the Live After Death and Somewhere In Time sets, so I may be able to talk her into this one. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 26, 2015, 02:38:34 PM
I am planning on rejoining the fan club to get the pit tickets up close, but that depends on when they announce the tour and where they play (assuming they come to the New York City area).  I've done this everytime I've seen them and always got within the first few rows of the general admission pit up close, maybe even win the first to the barrier contest.... I have won the heaven can wait contest before.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 26, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
I'm also joining the fan club for that very reason. This will be my first time seeing them and I want to be as close as I can  :metal
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2015, 04:02:57 PM
These reviews are salavating

Forget that, they're making my mouth water!

lol
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 26, 2015, 04:24:26 PM
This release will not disappoint!!
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Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 04:57:51 PM
This release will not disappoint!!

Seems that way.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2015, 04:58:40 PM
not counting me chickens tho.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 26, 2015, 05:25:09 PM
not counting me chickens tho.

Count 'em up Sneak. Count 'em up!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 07:43:23 PM
not counting me chickens tho.

It's Maiden bro, stress less.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 26, 2015, 07:48:47 PM
not counting me chickens tho.

It's Maiden bro, stress less.

well said
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2015, 08:02:14 PM
not counting me chickens tho.

It's Maiden bro, stress less.

well said

Ya gotta go into this with a level head to avoid building it up to levels it could never achieve!!! 

But for real I'm pumping on all cylinders and pumping harder about the tour down here next year.  You could say I'm... pumping iron. 
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Post by: bl5150 on August 26, 2015, 08:05:07 PM
I'd rather pump.........never mind.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 08:08:48 PM
not counting me chickens tho.

It's Maiden bro, stress less.

well said

Ya gotta go into this with a level head to avoid building it up to levels it could never achieve!!! 


even though I think you may be being a little too cautious, I do totally agree with this.  Sometimes your fav albums comes from ones you had no expectations for.  With something like this though, I know it's not gonna live up to what I think just cause of the caliber of the band.  Over time though it will be a monster I'm sure.  TFF was a let down for me at first, but grew into an amazing album that I like to return to often.

I'd rather pump.........never mind.

Don't make me get that Kip Winger pic out again.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 26, 2015, 08:18:02 PM
I just have too much confidence in Maiden to not disappoint.

This epic track has me extremely interested.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 08:21:03 PM
Damn I wish they would release another song damn it!
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 26, 2015, 08:33:05 PM
I can wait the week until its release.  Besides the first single, it will be cool to listen to the whole thing without previewing anything.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 26, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
even though I think you may be being a little too cautious, I do totally agree with this.  Sometimes your fav albums comes from ones you had no expectations for.  With something like this though, I know it's not gonna live up to what I think just cause of the caliber of the band.  Over time though it will be a monster I'm sure.  TFF was a let down for me at first, but grew into an amazing album that I like to return to often.

The difference for me is TFF never really grew on me, and I pretty much consider it one of their weakest.  I've got a shit ton of faith in this new one, and I'm hoping it doesnt go down the same way tff did, which is what i'm weary of.

The comparison to BNW in the blabbermouth review gave me great hope.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 26, 2015, 09:13:54 PM
even though I think you may be being a little too cautious, I do totally agree with this.  Sometimes your fav albums comes from ones you had no expectations for.  With something like this though, I know it's not gonna live up to what I think just cause of the caliber of the band.  Over time though it will be a monster I'm sure.  TFF was a let down for me at first, but grew into an amazing album that I like to return to often.

The difference for me is TFF never really grew on me, and I pretty much consider it one of their weakest.  I've got a shit ton of faith in this new one, and I'm hoping it doesnt go down the same way tff did, which is what i'm weary of.

The comparison to BNW in the blabbermouth review gave me great hope.

That's fair enough then.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: countoftuscany42 on August 26, 2015, 09:20:43 PM
has anyone preordered through Maiden's site?  just curious if the order's specify if the album will come by release day
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 26, 2015, 11:16:22 PM
You know, I don't know. I just preordered through FYE to save on shipping (I'm in the US and as I recall all the Maiden shop stuff comes from England). And I don't really know when I'll have it by. But to me it's not 100% essential that I have it on release day.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 27, 2015, 12:13:12 AM
For me, I'm going to buy it at Best Buy, in person, on release day.  The thing is.  I'm looking at the Best Buy site right now and there are two versions.  One regular version that's $15.99, which seems reasonable for a double disc, and one deluxe edition for $20.99.  I wonder what the deluxe edition will include?
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 27, 2015, 01:15:34 AM
probably a case made of tin and a poster inside??
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Post by: Kwyjibo on August 27, 2015, 01:24:34 AM
According to amazon it looks like this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51lcKFsdslL.jpg)

So there's obviously a book included, I wonder what's in it, or is it just the booklet?
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Post by: Cyclopssss on August 27, 2015, 01:27:38 AM
Goddamn, that looks sweet! And only twenty bucks?! F... me for preordering so soon!  >:(
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:34:55 AM
I pre-ordered the deluxe version on Amazon.
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Post by: TAC on August 27, 2015, 05:38:31 AM
I pre-ordered the deluxe version on Amazon.

That's the $34.99 one right?

I've been looking to preorder the album on Amazon. They now finally list the standard CD but that is also listed at like $35. WTF?
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Post by: cramx3 on August 27, 2015, 05:45:33 AM
I pre-ordered the deluxe version on Amazon.

That's the $34.99 one right?

I've been looking to preorder the album on Amazon. They now finally list the standard CD but that is also listed at like $35. WTF?

This prompted me to actually check since I pre-ordered mine some time ago.  It's weird cause I see my order for it:

Quote
The Book Of Souls [2 CD][Deluxe Edition]
Iron Maiden
Sold by: Amazon.com LLC
$19.98

But when I click on it, it shows the item is unavailable now.  Im guessing it's just unavailable at that price?  I might of lucked out.  I see the price you are seeing of 35$ which I would not pay for the standard CD, thats ridiculous.
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Post by: wolfking on August 27, 2015, 07:27:47 PM
I'll pick up that deluxe version.  I'll probably end up picking up both though.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 27, 2015, 07:47:11 PM
I'll pick up that deluxe version.  I'll probably end up picking up both though.

Yeah me too
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 28, 2015, 05:45:01 AM
Quote from: Iron Maiden
That's a 737 actually. It isn't 'Ed Force One', it's a plane we chartered for the trip.

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Post by: 425 on August 28, 2015, 06:11:38 AM
I pre-ordered the deluxe edition on FYE, where, unlike on Amazon, it is actually listed for a price that somewhat resembles what it's likely to cost.
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Post by: 425 on August 28, 2015, 11:14:11 AM
God I hate it when this happens. Waiting for the legit release. Can we institute a policy on spoilers in this thread, one way or another?
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Post by: Anguyen92 on August 28, 2015, 11:48:08 AM
God I hate it when this happens. Waiting for the legit release. Can we institute a policy on spoilers in this thread, one way or another?

I concur.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2015, 12:17:01 PM
Agreed on the spoilers, I will probably check it out since I can use some new music before my travels this weekend, but I won't talk about it if I listen and I think we should not discuss spoilers or at least use the small font.
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Post by: Mladen on August 28, 2015, 02:58:45 PM
I'm shocked at how much I'm loving this on the first listen.
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Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2015, 03:51:47 PM
I have no problems with spoilers in here, I love reading peoples reactions and makes me more excited.

Guys, please us your thoughts when you can please.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2015, 04:41:07 PM
I'm shocked at how much I'm loving this on the first listen.

Why are you shocked?  This is expected  :biggrin:
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Post by: 425 on August 28, 2015, 04:49:39 PM
Eh, if people are going to be talking about the leak I'm out. I don't like to ruin everyone's fun but I can't help making the parting remark that I really, really hate that this happens. I mean the thing will be out in a week anyway, why even bother? Whatever.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2015, 05:01:53 PM
Eh, if people are going to be talking about the leak I'm out. I don't like to ruin everyone's fun but I can't help making the parting remark that I really, really hate that this happens. I mean the thing will be out in a week anyway, why even bother? Whatever.

Some people just can't resist.  I'll wait to the release but don't mind people taling about it.  A seperate thread for the album maybe then they can just get merged here once it's out?
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Post by: TAC on August 28, 2015, 05:49:32 PM
Yeah, but it's pretty much against forum rules I believe to even discuss leaked material, spoiler alert or not.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 28, 2015, 05:52:59 PM
Yea can't we just wait? It's out in a week anyway.
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Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
Tim's gonna tell on you guys, look out.
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Post by: TAC on August 28, 2015, 05:55:46 PM
Tim's gonna tell on you guys, look out.

 :lol

Except this is the Forum Administrator's first NEW Maiden album since becoming a fan. I think he's paying attention.
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Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2015, 06:01:47 PM
That's a pretty valid point actually haha.
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Post by: 425 on August 28, 2015, 06:02:21 PM
I think technically you're allowed to discuss leaked material of bands other than DT? Which is kind of weird to apply the standard differently, though I get why it's there. But often in these threads some kind of determination is made about whether the leaked album will be discussed.
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Post by: wolfking on August 28, 2015, 06:03:18 PM
I think you're right, in regards to DT it's much more strict than other bands. 
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 28, 2015, 07:01:32 PM
Lets be realistic here.  We all know the album will kick ass and that we will all love it.  End of story.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on August 28, 2015, 07:34:18 PM
Lets be realistic here.  We all know the album will kick ass and that we will all love it.  End of story.

That is a pretty fair point to make.

I mean if Iron Maiden, personally, gave the green light to stream it through like iTunes and stuff, should we then discuss it without any problems?
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Post by: 425 on August 28, 2015, 07:39:00 PM
Yes. Because by then it has been officially released by the band.

I don't want to get into the piracy thing here, but you absolutely must admit that if you're listening to it right now, you are listening to it against the band's and label's will. Many of us are unwilling to do that, and that's why I think it's best to wait until the thing is actually released legally.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 28, 2015, 07:42:53 PM
I can wait 6 more days till I get the cd, no prob
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 29, 2015, 02:26:15 AM
I dont wanna ruin anything for anyone so.

But I personally don't see the issue with dloading if you've paid for the pre-order. 

I'm so fucking pumped for the shows and incredibly proud of what they've achieved with this... I just... Fuck.
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Post by: gazinwales on August 29, 2015, 04:09:26 AM
Besides the moral and legalities of listening to the leak.
If you are then you are shortchanging yourself at the very least with the poor quality compressed crappy 192kps mp3.
Your not hearing everything that you will get with the actual CD.
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Post by: ErHaO on August 29, 2015, 04:39:44 AM
I will be honest, I am probably going to listen to the leak and I did so many times for other albums before. Still, I can see the moral issues here (just like with downloading in general) and respect your opinions on this matter.

And, well, since there is so much (great) new material from many of my favourite bands, I may just be able to sit this one out for once, heh. I am also thankful that I can listen to most of those legally trough spotify now. I will buy Maiden on vinyl probably, though that book version looks pretty neat.
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Post by: ZKX-2099 on August 29, 2015, 08:38:06 AM
So Bruce had cancer and they still were able to get a new album in half a decade... What is Metallicas and Tools excuse?
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Post by: Dream Team on August 29, 2015, 12:13:15 PM
The return to faster tempos is certainly good news, provided it proves to be true.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 30, 2015, 11:27:08 AM
Quote
Asked by a fan if "The Book Of Souls" will turn out to IRON MAIDEN's final full-length release, Dickinson responded: "I really hope that this is not the last album. I've had way too much fun making this one. I'm gonna have way too much fun and enjoy the next tour for a variety of reasons. I'm happily chatting to you and running around and leaping around or flying airplanes. And the next stop is gonna be a tour and some singing."
Nice to hear that they're in good spirit, not that I doubted that but it's nice to hear nevertheless.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 30, 2015, 11:57:46 AM
Sooo.....after years of avoiding Maiden, I've finally gave em a listen and am officially a fan! Ran out and bought the first five albums and I'm playing them on repeat. Looking to grab Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son real soon. Probably gonna grab the new one this week when it hits shelves.

I know, I'm a moron for not getting into them sooner. This I realize.
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Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2015, 12:01:54 PM
I will defend the music of everything after the first 5 as being more mature (mostly...until No Prayer anyway) musically.    But you will notice a *sharp* decline in the quality of the choruses from this point forward.    At least until you get up to A Matter of Life and Death.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 30, 2015, 12:13:30 PM
I will defend the music of everything after the first 5 as being more mature (mostly...until No Prayer anyway) musically.    But you will notice a *sharp* decline in the quality of the choruses from this point forward.    At least until you get up to A Matter of Life and Death.

Understood. My buddy who got me into them warned me to stay away from No Prayer and both Blaze albums, which he said were absolute shit.

Right now, I'm overwhelmed by the size of their catalog cuz I'm trying to take everything in all at once, while also getting ready for Souls to drop.
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Post by: Zydar on August 30, 2015, 12:18:36 PM
Looking to grab Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son real soon.

Those are my two favourites of them all. Seventh Son as #1 and Somewhere as #2.

And congratulations for getting into them, you're in for a ride.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 30, 2015, 12:21:40 PM
Looking to grab Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son real soon.

Those are my two favourites of them all. Seventh Son as #1 and Somewhere as #2.

And congratulations for getting into them, you're in for a ride.

my two favorites as well!
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 30, 2015, 12:24:33 PM
Looking to grab Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son real soon.

Those are my two favourites of them all. Seventh Son as #1 and Somewhere as #2.

And congratulations for getting into them, you're in for a ride.

I'll keep that in mind :tup

And thank you!!
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Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2015, 12:36:29 PM
I will defend the music of everything after the first 5 as being more mature (mostly...until No Prayer anyway) musically.    But you will notice a *sharp* decline in the quality of the choruses from this point forward.    At least until you get up to A Matter of Life and Death.

Understood. My buddy who got me into them warned me to stay away from No Prayer and both Blaze albums, which he said were absolute shit.

Right now, I'm overwhelmed by the size of their catalog cuz I'm trying to take everything in all at once, while also getting ready for Souls to drop.

Well, the 2nd one with Blaze (Virtual XI) is almost completely garbage, and (IMO and most others) is one of, if not the worst IM album of all time.    However, I think you will find around these parts that his first effort (The X Factor) is a lost gem.   Sorely underrated and overlooked.   Dark, moody...and a good fit for Blaze's vocals.    And the opening track The Sign of the Cross is one of the greatest IM songs of all time....and Blaze just owns it.    I personally think he does it even better than Bruce.  (I was unimpressed by his live version, which I believe is on the Rio live album)
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 30, 2015, 12:55:25 PM
I will defend the music of everything after the first 5 as being more mature (mostly...until No Prayer anyway) musically.    But you will notice a *sharp* decline in the quality of the choruses from this point forward.    At least until you get up to A Matter of Life and Death.

Understood. My buddy who got me into them warned me to stay away from No Prayer and both Blaze albums, which he said were absolute shit.

Right now, I'm overwhelmed by the size of their catalog cuz I'm trying to take everything in all at once, while also getting ready for Souls to drop.

Well, the 2nd one with Blaze (Virtual XI) is almost completely garbage, and (IMO and most others) is one of, if not the worst IM album of all time.    However, I think you will find around these parts that his first effort (The X Factor) is a lost gem.   Sorely underrated and overlooked.   Dark, moody...and a good fit for Blaze's vocals.    And the opening track The Sign of the Cross is one of the greatest IM songs of all time....and Blaze just owns it.    I personally think he does it even better than Bruce.  (I was unimpressed by his live version, which I believe is on the Rio live album)

It's interesting to hear everyone's take on each album.
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Post by: 425 on August 30, 2015, 12:56:51 PM
I will defend the music of everything after the first 5 as being more mature (mostly...until No Prayer anyway) musically.    But you will notice a *sharp* decline in the quality of the choruses from this point forward.    At least until you get up to A Matter of Life and Death.

Understood. My buddy who got me into them warned me to stay away from No Prayer and both Blaze albums, which he said were absolute shit.

Right now, I'm overwhelmed by the size of their catalog cuz I'm trying to take everything in all at once, while also getting ready for Souls to drop.

Both Blaze albums are good. Especially The X Factor, but both are better than No Prayer and especially Fear of the Dark, which is their worst.

I mean, you should get all 16. But you should start with all the 80s and all the 21st century material, then get TXF, then get the other three 90s albums.
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Post by: Scorpion on August 30, 2015, 01:05:46 PM
90s albums rankings!

1. TXF
2. NPftD
3. VXI
4. FotD
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Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2015, 01:26:49 PM
90s albums rankings!

1. TXF
2. NPftD
3. VXI
4. FotD

For me:

1. TXF
2. FotD
3. NPftD













4. VXI
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Post by: TAC on August 30, 2015, 01:36:16 PM
Here is how I break down the four 90's albums:

No Prayer:
What a disappointment. Really their weakest album. It came after the longest delay between albums (at the time). It just wasn't worth the wait. I will say that this was one of my favorite Maiden tours ever. Jannick was fantastic and really seemed to pull Dave out of his shell.
And the No Prayer tunes they played translated so much better live.

Fear:
Finally the real Maiden returns. Their first album in the "CD" age, caused them to make it longer than it really should be. Definitely some B-Side material on here, but I maintain that this 12 song album is easily 8 songs deep.

The biggest issue with both of these albums, especially Fear, is that these are Bruce's worst with the band.

TXF:
I know some people think this is great, and some think it's terrible. But I think this had the makings to be a complete masterpiece. But it feels like a demo, both in production and some of the songs feel like they are not completely worked out. You also realized at this point how much balance Bruce (and Adrian for that matter) really gave the band, as this feels like a Steve Harris solo album. There are some masterful moments, and some tracks are put together fine, but I can't help but feel this is a just miss. A J- Dude says, Sign Of The Cross FTW!!

VIX:
Other than The TAATG, I really like VIX. The production isn't great, but it has a more comfortable Maiden feel than TXF. If they would ever do another Blaze era track with Bruce, I wish they'd do The Educated Fool.
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Post by: 425 on August 30, 2015, 02:21:02 PM
but I maintain that this 12 song album is easily 8 songs deep.

At most. Weekend Warrior is awful, The Apparition and Chains of Misery are mediocre, and I don't really like Childhood's End either. I would probably rate those as my four least favorite IM songs, and they're all on this album. Fear Is the Key is like half of a good song. From Here to Eternity is alright but it's too silly, it has the same problem that they had on NPFTD with Hooks and Daughter.

1. Be Quick or Be Dead
2. From Here to Eternity
3. Afraid to Shoot Strangers
4. Wasting Love
5. The Fugitive
6. Judas Be My Guide
7. Fear of the Dark

This, maybe with Fear Is the Key in there as well, would probably beat out NPFTD for me. But with all the other weak material on there, this is the weakest album in my book. That is, the best material on FOTD absolutely beats the best material on NPFTD, but NPFTD is a vastly superior experience for me as an album.
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Post by: Zantera on August 30, 2015, 02:22:16 PM
TXF
FotD
NPFtD
VXI
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Post by: TAC on August 30, 2015, 02:42:52 PM
Take out From Here To Eternity and add Childhood's End and Fear Is The Key and those would be my 8. But we're pretty close nonetheless. But I think you are highly underrating Childhood's End.
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Post by: Mladen on August 30, 2015, 03:19:37 PM
The X Factor - a fantastic album
Virtual XI - a very, very good album
No prayer for the dying - extremely average
Fear of the dark - not terrible, but very weak
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Post by: 425 on August 30, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
Take out From Here To Eternity and add Childhood's End and Fear Is The Key and those would be my 8. But we're pretty close nonetheless. But I think you are highly underrating Childhood's End.

Eh, I get why others like Childhood's End, but it isn't that great and has some aspects that are annoying to me.
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Post by: Outcrier on August 30, 2015, 03:41:28 PM
X Factor
Virtual XI
Fear of the Dark
No Prayer for the Dying

When i used to listen to Maiden, i liked both Bailey albums. I don't think they were that bad as people say.
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Post by: wolfking on August 30, 2015, 04:51:29 PM
TXF
FOTD
VX1
NPFTD

The last 2 could switch though.  All 4 are great albums IMO.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 30, 2015, 06:52:21 PM
Fear of the Dark
X Factor
No Prayer for the Dying
Virtual XI

Like Wolf said, all 4 are great.  Virtual XI would be the bands weakest overall, but Futureal is fantastic.
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Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2015, 08:39:31 PM
I haven't heard No Prayer in over a decade...I'm giving it a fresh listen tonight and hoping time has been kinder to it.

I have always loved Tailgunner...   :metal
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Post by: jammindude on August 30, 2015, 08:44:13 PM
.....and I have always thought Holy Smoke was just silly. 
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Post by: Cool Chris on August 30, 2015, 08:53:49 PM
Did we ever figure out what was in the book that comes with the special edition? And is that the only difference from the standard CD?
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Post by: wolfking on August 30, 2015, 10:47:18 PM
No, I haven't seen anymore info on the book.  I think that's the only difference, I don't think there's any bonuses.

Remember the special edition of TFF?  How shitty was that!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 31, 2015, 12:38:55 AM
1. X Factor
Man on the edge, Sign of the Cross, Lord of the flies are great songs. Overall a great album.
2. FotD
Look despite FotD has some of the worst filler tracks in IM history I still love the artwork and some of the tracks are IM classics. Fear of the Dark, Afraid to shoot strangers, Wasting Love, Be quick or be dead are great songs.
3. Virtual XI
Pretty meh album but Futureal is awesome and so is The Clansman, both of does songs works even better with Bruce.
4. NPftD
No songs grabs my attention on NOftD other than Tailgunner but not in a good way, god I hate that song  :lol. Holy Smoke is fun and so is the video. The artwork is great though.

I also wanna give the single Virus some attention, pretty cool song and My Generation and Doctor Doctor are great covers.

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Post by: aurorablind on August 31, 2015, 01:40:11 AM
1. The X Factor
The first Maiden-album I bought. It`s definitely not perfect, but there`s a lot of good stuff here.
Sign of the cross, Man on the Edge, The Unbeliever and Fortunes of War are my favorites.
The album suffers from a really bad production though. The drums sound great, but the guitars sound really thin. Blaze is out of tune sometimes.
7/10

2. Fear of the Dark
This album is really hit or miss for me. About half of the album is good, the rest is pretty unlistenable.
Be quick or be dead, Afraid to shoot strangers, Judas be my guide, Wasting love and Fear of the dark are fantastic songs IMO. Afraid to shoot strangers is defenitely a top 10 song for me, and Fear of the dark is a classic.
The Apparition may be one of the worst they ever made.
I like the raw production, but the vocals are way to raspy at times.
6/10

3. Virtual XI
Never really liked this album. The production is terrible and Nickos uninspired drumming really bugs me.
Apart from The Clansman and Futureal I really can`t sit through an entire song. There are definitely some good ideas here and there, but the arrangements are really bad (The Angel and the Gambler - I see you!)
4/10

4. No Prayer for the Dying
The only Maiden-album that doesen`t contain a single song that I actually really like.
Holy Smoke and Bring your Daughter are fun, rocking songs, but after the epicness of Seventh Son they sound pretty ridiculous.
Mother Russia and the title track are OK, but not really that memorable.
2/10
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Post by: Zydar on August 31, 2015, 02:09:04 AM
1. Fear Of The Dark
Some good songs here (the title track, Afraid To Shoot Strangers, Be Quick or Be Dead, Wasting Love, and the criminally underrated Judas Be My Guide), but also some horrible ones (Weekend Warrior, The Apparition). Don't like Bruce's raspy voice either.

2. No Prayer For The Dying
A bit weaker than Fear, but it has some good ones (the title track, Tailgunner, The Assassin, Hooks in You, and Mother Russia).

3. The X Factor
I know a lot of you love this one, but it's too dark and uncharacteristic of the Maiden I love. Some decent ones here (Sign of The Cross, Lord Of The Flies, Man On The Edge, and Judgement Of Heaven) but overall it's near the bottom of my album ranking.

4. Virtual XI
Futureal was my introduction to Maiden back in 1998, but that's the only good one here, The Educated Fool could pass through also. They went back a little to the "Maiden sound" with this album, but the weak songs doesn't help. And Blaze is a good singer, just not the right one for Maiden IMHO.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on August 31, 2015, 02:36:17 AM
My ranking is like Zydar's

1. Fear Of The Dark (some great tunes, some filler material -> ditch some of those and the album would be better)
2. No Prayer For The Dying (a few good tunes, the rest is very meh)
3. The X Factor (most songs are average, the production is shit and Blaze's voice just doesn't work with Maiden imo)
4. Virtual XI (just no)
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Post by: Cyclopssss on August 31, 2015, 04:05:05 AM
1. X-Factor
2. Fear of the dark
3. No Prayer for the dying
4. Virtual XI.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 31, 2015, 05:02:04 AM
Futureal with Bruce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pQ7508aRBg)
The Clansman with Bruce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1rUSuYGWa0) Lol Nickos dance

I think they grow live and especially with Bruce.

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Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 05:38:55 AM
I also wanna give the single Virus some attention, pretty cool song and My Generation and Doctor Doctor are great covers.

Don't forget Justice of the Peace, Judgement Day and I Live My Way, seriously amazing b-sides.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 31, 2015, 07:29:01 AM
I also wanna give the single Virus some attention, pretty cool song and My Generation and Doctor Doctor are great covers.

Don't forget Justice of the Peace, Judgement Day and I Live My Way, seriously amazing b-sides.

Agreed.  Pretty amazing that they had so much awesome material for TXF that they had THOSE songs as b-sides.  They're absolute bangers.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 31, 2015, 07:59:52 AM
 :tup :tup
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Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2015, 08:51:49 AM
+1 on the Blaze bsides, good stuff there
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: Stadler on August 31, 2015, 08:52:44 AM
ALL their b-sides are stellar, even the jokey ones (though Total Eclipse is probably my favorite Maiden song of all time). 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2015, 12:45:39 PM
Can we institute a policy on spoilers in this thread, one way or another?

I don't really understand requests like this.  I mean, we KNOW the album is out in a few days.  Therefore, it is CERTAIN that there will be spoilers in the thread no matter what.  Aside from the brief detour into ranking the '90s albums, talk of the new album has dominated the thread, as should reasonably be expected.  If you don't want to risk seeing a spoiler, stay out of the thread.  Isn't it just that simple?
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: 425 on August 31, 2015, 01:02:31 PM
But that's just it. I want to be involved in the discussion of the 90s albums, but I don't want to see "The Red and the Black is great, can you believe the part where Bruce _________?"

This is not at all without precedent. There was a policy decision made about the Opeth thread when PC leaked.

I'm not demanding that people stop talking about the leak, I'm just asking if there can be a decision made. And I'm not even asking you to make an executive decision, I'm asking either the OP, the honorary OP, or the regular posters as a whole to decide, to either explicitly say yes or no.

And I do think one of the dumb things about leaks is that they force those of us who want to respect legal releases and the band's right to control the release of their material to have to try to dodge spoilers about an album that isn't even out yet. That has not even been put out into the world.






Personally, I think discussion of all leaks should be banned on the forum, since the dual standard of "it's not okay when it's DT but it is okay with other bands" is confusing and unnecessary, but I respect that it's not a cut and dry decision and that it's not my call to make.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 01:55:57 PM
Amazon finally listed the Deluxe package at $18.99. Preordered yesterday. Still, I expect that price to come down a bit.
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2015, 01:56:46 PM
Okay, I see where you are coming from.  Yeah, we can make a separate thread.  I will do that.

Let me also elaborate a bit on the "dual standard" issue just a bit.  Personally, I agree that discussions of leaks in general should be banned from the forum.  But we don't enforce it as much with other bands simply because it is really difficult to do just as a practical matter.  We don't police every thread, and the mod staff doesn't follow every band that gets discussed here, so even having a working knowledge of when someone is truly discussing an illegal leak vs. discussing information that is legitimately in the public domain is difficult.  So for that reason, we are considerably more lenient when it comes to bands other than DT.  It used to be that if it was blatantly obvious that someone was discussing a leak, we would jump in and warn.  We still do that.  But granted that enforcement has become more lax.

With DT, it is a different story.  This is a site specifically dedicated to the band and run by fans that can tell when discussion is crossing the line.  And when it comes to more obscure material and making the call about whether discussion is off limits, we have resources we can consult that can give us an answer.

Hopefully, that helps. 
Title: Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 01:58:51 PM
Okay, I see where you are coming from.  Yeah, we can make a separate thread.  I will do that.


 :metal
Title: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2015, 02:00:59 PM
All discussion related to the new album goes here so people can discuss other aspects of Maiden in the other thread without risking spoilers.  Feel free to re-post interviews, reviews, the video, etc. 

PLEASE DO NOT post leaks or links to information or content that was not legally obtained.

This thread will be merged with the other one a week or two after release.  (...unless it is too long, in which case we may just let this become the official Iron Maiden thread going forward)

EDIT:  And TAC gets honorary "first post!" since he was going to start this thread, but I didn't see his post in time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 31, 2015, 02:19:22 PM
Okay, I see where you are coming from.  Yeah, we can make a separate thread.  I will do that.

Thank you! It's much appreciated.

...

Hopefully, that helps. 

Yeah, that makes sense. I understand how sometimes it can be difficult to parse whether certain material is legal or illegal. Personally, I think that in some cases, like this one, it's pretty clear, but I guess there could be something where someone knows about a certain detail from listening to a leak that also might have been published in an authorized review or something. I hadn't really thought about it from an enforcement standpoint before, I guess, though I already knew the explanation that DT should be more strictly enforced because the forum is affiliated with the band.

Out of curiosity, if someone made a post that outright said "This album by a non-DT band has been leaked without the authorization of the band, I have listened to the leak, and here's a description of one of the songs," and the post was reported, would the mods remove the post and/or warn the poster, or would it be left to stand?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2015, 03:11:45 PM
Out of curiosity, if someone made a post that outright said "This album by a non-DT band has been leaked without the authorization of the band, I have listened to the leak, and here's a description of one of the songs," and the post was reported, would the mods remove the post and/or warn the poster, or would it be left to stand?

My policy and the policy we originally had was that if such a thing were posted, it would be removed and a warning would be issued.  I hate to say it, but again, since we have kind of become more lax in that area over time, I cannot say that all mods would necessarily enforce it the same way.  But I think we should enforce it, and that discussion will be had now that you have pretty much reminded me of the issue. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 31, 2015, 03:22:02 PM
Alright, good to know! Thanks.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 03:22:37 PM
Yeah!!!!! :metal


Anyway, similar to AMOLAD, I think this is going to take a few listens to sink in. Tons to love here though. Very progressive with a lot of nuances.

I was listening to The Red And The Black on my iPod the other night, when I apparently uttered "I LOVE Iron Maiden".
Which prompted The Lovely Mrs TAC, who was in the kitchen to say, "Keep it to yourself".  :lol
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 03:25:20 PM
Review from The Iron Maiden thread.

A track by track review: http://www.examiner.com/review/iron-maiden-returns-with-the-book-of-souls  :metal

It's been five long years since metal giants Iron Maiden have graced us with new music. The generally well received The Final Frontier came out in 2010 and saw Maiden pick up their first Grammy award. Since their return to dominance in 2000 with the Brave New World album, the band has seen their popularity soar to unprecedented heights in the United States. They've always been massive around the world, but for whatever reason, they struggled to break through to the mainstream in America. That is no longer the case, as each of their post-2000 records have seen them grow their base here as well as the rest of the world. After what has seemed like an eternity, The Book of Souls is complete and I've been fortunate enough to hear it prior to it's September 4th release date.

IronMaiden.com
The album has many vintage Maiden moments, but also shows that the band continues to grow. That's a trend that has really been going on since The X Factor. Rather than solely be a metal band, they've pushed forward to new heights and have reached into progressive rock elements for the past twenty years. This has allowed the band to remain relevant and remain the most dominant live metal outfit in the world. Let's dive into this latest gem, which is sure to grow into another must have for their rabid fan base.
Iron Maiden - The Book of Souls
1. If Eternity Should Fail
The album starts off triumphantly, almost as if to announce their return proudly. If you had doubts about whether Bruce Dickinson's voice has held up, those doubts are quickly erased during the intro. The classic Maiden gallop finally kicks in and instantly the song becomes pure Iron Maiden. If I had one complaint about this album's predecessor, it's that there wasn't enough of that iconic Iron Maiden aggression. Midway through the song, you get a heavy dose of Steve Harris and company in an instrumental piece that is reminiscent of the Killers era. This, however, has something that that era did not have: Bruce Dickinson, ladies and gentlemen.
2. Speed of Light
This is the only single so far to be released from the album. At first listen, like I have for the past four Maiden records, I thought the single was kind of "meh". Also, like I have for the past four albums, that song has began to grow on me. The track kicks off with one of Bruce's well known screams before jumping into a song that feels like it could have been included on 2010's The Final Frontier album. It has the same vibe as El Doradobut let's Dickinson show off his pipes on the chorus, similar to the way he did on The Talisman. The thing that it has most going for it, though, is that guitar hook. I've been humming it for the past two weeks.
3. The Great Unknown
The song starts out with the kind of slow intro that we've become accustomed to for the past twenty years. The guitars really add a nice layer of crunch to it during the verses before making way for another soaring Dickinson led chorus. The three headed monster on guitar of Dave Murray, Adrian Smith, and Janick Gers ferociously own this song before pulling off for the same outro that started the song. This staple of modern Maiden works flawlessly on this track.
4. The Red and the Black
This song has a real neat intro before kicking into the first true epic of the record. The track has a verySomewhere in Time era meets The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg vibe going on. Maybe Maiden fanatics wouldn't think that would work, but it does. It doesn't stay there, either. The song grows and grows, weaving through time changes and master musicianship as it builds to its peak. Most importantly, though, this song is complete with many of the famous Iron Maiden "whoa-oh-whoa" chorus types that will undoubtedly make for a fantastic live experience. Now, will they be willing to play this 13+ minute behemoth live? We will have to wait and see!
5. When the River Runs Deep
The fifth track on the record doesn't waste any time. There is no slow intro, actually quite the opposite. This song punches you right out of the gate and quite possibly could be another single from the album. The tempo that it is played at reminds you of tracks from their self titled debut album, but the music itself sounds very modern and relevant. This song should/could get serious airplay on radio if it's released as a single.
6. The Book of Souls
The album's title track begins with an acoustic intro, which was unheard of until 2003's Dance of Deathalbum. When the song really kicks in, you immediately become aware of the underrated drumming of Nicko McBrain. He can tend to get overshadowed by the Steve Harris gallop and the three headed guitar attack, let alone the soaring vocals of Dickinson. Is this Where Eagles Dare? No, it's not, but Nicko's fat drum beat is very present and keeps this song together. Really, you could say that about most of their songs, we just tend to take it for granted and don't always appreciate it like we ought to. Then, out of nowhere, the song goes full steam ahead with Powerslave era ferociousness. This could be another option for the band to perform live. It's long, but aren't they all, really? For a long time, Maiden fanatics have been calling for a return of that Maiden aggression. Well, here you go!
7. Death or Glory
There are portions of this record, musically, that show the band at their most Paul Di'Anno era tempo since Bruce joined the band. With Dickinson's vocals soaring behind this hard hitting music, it really makes you wonder how much better those first two records could have been. That's not a shot at Di'Anno, but Bruce once again shows why he is simply the best in the business. There is no other metal vocalist that does what he does, quite like he does it. This song could also have been the lead single to the record. In recent years, with the band's progressive push, there have been a lot of fans calling for some shorter, heavy hitting tracks to balance out the epics. This song does that and could quite easily wind up as one of those modern "classics".
8. Shadows of the Valley
This song begins with a very Wasted Years type of introduction. The lyrics even include a nod to anotherSomewhere in Time track. Like the classic era Maiden songs do, this one has you bopping your head and pumping your fists in the air. Perhaps, you're even playing air guitar or air drums. If you're expecting this album to drop off, it isn't going to happen. The guitarists trade solos before another verse and ending with an even better "oh-oh-oh" piece than on The Red and the Black. Combine that with it's much shorter time, that perhaps gives this one an advantage to being played live.
9. Tears of a Clown
A few days ago, we learned that this song was a tribute to the late Robin Williams. While I don't understand why or how that situation came to be, this song nobly attempts to take you into that mindset. Not necessarily the mindset of taking your life, but the mindset of being alone while among a crowd. As fitting as the tribute to him is, the most important thing is the song is a fantastic piece of musicianship. You can feel the heart that was put into this one, especially. This could be yet another live option for the Book of Souls World Tour.
10. The Man of Sorrows
Similar to the first track, this song begins with Bruce just showing off his God given skills. It builds into one of those songs that fits their post-reunion albums. It follows a tried and true formula, changes time, and features multiple guitar solos. If that doesn't say Iron Maiden, I'm not sure what does.
11. Empire of the Clouds
Ever since this record was announced, I've been impatiently waiting to hear this 18 minute closer to the album. It's been labeled as a Bruce Dickinson masterpiece. Let me tell you, it DOESN'T disappoint. The first few minutes of the song are a nice melody on the piano, played by Bruce! Who knew?!?! After a military march type drum intro, the vocals come in, still over top of his piano piece. This album shows Maiden at a place that they've not been before. This is so important for a band like them, to still make inspired and relevant music. Like they've done time and time again (Rime of the Ancient Mariner; When the Wild Wind Blows; Alexander the Great; etc.) the band tells a story. As the listener, you'd think that 18 minutes would be overkill and that you'd lose interest in the "story". Well, I'm here to tell you that you don't. The band weaves in between pieces of music that make up this song in a way that has you thinking about everything except how long the track is. Like the record as a whole, this track captures the entire band as one cohesive unit that's on the same page. There have been moments on the more recent albums, that don't leave you with that "one unit" vibe. It's great to see that the six piece truly saved the best for last. Masterpiece might be an understatement.
Support real music, America, and pick up a copy of The Book of Souls on September 4th across the United States.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 03:26:17 PM
Bravewords track by track
http://bravewords.com/features/iron-maidens-the-book-of-souls-track-by-track-an-enormous-artistic-endeavour
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: kingshmegland on August 31, 2015, 03:26:39 PM
Yeah!!!!! :metal


Anyway, similar to AMOLAD, I think this is going to take a few listens to sink in. Tons to love here though. Very progressive with a lot of nuances.

I was listening to The Red And The Black on my iPod the other night, when I apparently uttered "I LOVE Iron Maiden".
Which prompted The Lovely Mrs TAC, who was in the kitchen to say, "Keep it to yourself".  :lol

This makes me hapoy.  I love AMOLAD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: ariich on August 31, 2015, 04:19:07 PM
We also, in general, are more lenient towards discussion of the material itself that doesn't refer to a leak (someone might, after all, have heard legitimate promo copies - I myself get some for my reviews on LadyObscure).

It's the discussion of a leak that we generally clamp down on, and indeed I believe some people in this thread have been banned for a few days until the album is out for such discussion. But as bosk says, enforcement is not hard and fast and it's not easy.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Mister Gold on August 31, 2015, 04:56:57 PM
I quite love TBoS. Fantastic album! Disc 1 is pretty good, with IESF and the title track being an incredible opener and closer. TRatB, on the other hand, is the weakest epic that Steve's written in at least a decade.

Disc 2 is a straight-up masterpiece.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: splent on August 31, 2015, 05:01:38 PM
I'm not a huge Maiden fan, just never got into them... That said I I listened to tears of a clown due to the Robin Williams homage and loved it.  I may have to listen to the whole thing now.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 05:18:22 PM
I'm not a huge Maiden fan, just never got into them... That said I I listened to tears of a clown due to the Robin Williams homage and loved it.  I may have to listen to the whole thing now.

It's an awesome tune!

Never too late...
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 05:22:01 PM
Man, this is gonna be a long week waiting for this one to come out.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 31, 2015, 06:08:03 PM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 06:09:31 PM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

Classics!!!
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 06:11:21 PM
I would also want to say that there were a couple of runs that totally reminded me of the DiAnno era albums. Seriously.
And I think that is fucking  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 31, 2015, 06:26:46 PM
Excellent decision.

Honestly, for all the debate about 90s albums, you really should get all four of those last. Take your time to appreciate all of these 80s releases, then skip ahead to 2000's Brave New World. Then once you've worked your way through the 21st century albums, if you still want more Maiden, then go to the 90s ones.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 06:27:30 PM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

You will not be disappointed.  You just improved your life.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 06:28:58 PM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

You will not be disappointed.  You just improved your life.

Immensely!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2015, 06:39:08 PM
I love Somewhere In Time.  Seventh Son is easily my least favorite of the Bruce albums, not including No Prayer and Fear of the Dark (which I do not have).

My rankings (because this is DTF, so we have to do album rankings for no reason):
1.  The Final Frontier
2.  Piece of Mind
3.  Somewhere In Time
4.  Dance of Death
5.  A Matter of Life and Death (really, 4 and 5 are interchangeable to me)
6.  The Number of the Beast
7.  Powerslave
8.  Brave New World
9.  Seventh Son
10.  Killers (only other studio album I have)
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 06:39:15 PM
I love reading these comments.

What's the production like?
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 31, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
I seriously cannot wait for everyone to hear it!!  The freshness and innovation for a band this far into their career is absolutely staggering and it has totally rekindled my love for Maiden after a pretty lukewarm reception to TFF (for myself).  Maiden are still writing like they have something to prove, and I honestly cannot believe how fucking awesome it is!

I would also want to say that there were a couple of runs that totally reminded me of the DiAnno era albums. Seriously.
And I think that is fucking  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

I definitely had that feeling too!  There are some definite throwbacks to the first two albums, especially with tempo changes that just smack you in the face, in the vein of (but not as drastic as) the tempo change in Genghis Khan.

There is more of that Sabbath vibe in some of the riffs that was present in the early days, but within the context of the proggier Maiden.  I love it!

I love reading these comments.

What's the production like?

To me the production is raw, like AMOLAD, but that being said it runs directly into Brave New World on my itunes, and there is definitely a similarity.

I think the 'rawness' is due to the quality of the rip - there is a lot missing in the bottom end, and listening to the Spotify stream of Speed of Light would suggest that it is just the rip quality.

And regarding Empire of the Clouds (spoiler): I can't believe that its 18 mins, it just flies by!  I was also shocked at how it doesn't at all rely on long, drawn out breakdowns a la SSOASS, Rime or SOTC.  It almost never lets up.  Bruce can write a killer riff when he wants to, and one in particular is definitely one of my favourite Maiden riffs post-reunion.

Eternity, River Runs Deep, Red and the Black, Empire and the title track are standouts for me at the moment.  The others are growing on me, and I feel like thats most likely how this album works.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 06:55:29 PM
I'm happy if it sounds more like AMOLAD and BNW as opposed to DOD and TFF.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on August 31, 2015, 06:55:57 PM
I'm not sure how accurately my ranking would be because it's been so long since I've listened to much of the Maiden discography and a lot of these are really close for me, but I will do this so that we can remain DTF.

Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: jjrock88 on August 31, 2015, 07:33:09 PM
I'm really liking the sounds of this!
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Mister Gold on August 31, 2015, 07:33:50 PM
I'm happy if it sounds more like AMOLAD and BNW as opposed to DOD and TFF.

It's a great blend sonically between AMOLAD and BNW; it's more raw/heavy sounding like AMOLAD, but it's also more clean and refined like BNW. Low key production, but it works perfectly. :metal

Empire of the Clouds is possibly my new favorite Maiden song. I cried when I first heard it. Bruce's magnum opus, definitely. There's a nice nod to The Legacy at one point too that even sounds better here than it did in The Legacy.

The Man of Sorrows is probably my second favorite song off the album. Possibly Dave's best song ever.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 31, 2015, 07:46:33 PM
I'm happy if it sounds more like AMOLAD and BNW as opposed to DOD and TFF.

It's a great blend sonically between AMOLAD and BNW; it's more raw/heavy sounding like AMOLAD, but it's also more clean and refined like BNW. Low key production, but it works perfectly. :metal

Empire of the Clouds is possibly my new favorite Maiden song. I cried when I first heard it. Bruce's magnum opus, definitely. There's a nice nod to The Legacy at one point too that even sounds better here than it did in The Legacy.

The Man of Sorrows is probably my second favorite song off the album. Possibly Dave's best song ever.

Man of Sorrows is fantastic, there is some beautiful flowing guitar work in there that is absolutely spellbinding, I just wish the outro was a bit longer, its so nice!

The awesomeness of Empire cannot be understated.

On a couple of tracks there are some awesome majestic sounding major key guitar melodies, I think specifically in Empire and TR&TB, which hit me as very different by Maiden standards.  Almost... Rush-majestic.  lol though, my Rush knowledge is limited.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 07:54:54 PM
Empire of the Clouds is possibly my new favorite Maiden song. I cried when I first heard it.

Are you serious?
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: bl5150 on August 31, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
Well the Maidevangelists are in full swing - over in the other thread we have lives being improved and we're in tears over here.  Hang on...........I'm losing my balance  :D

(http://i.imgur.com/1lUmtKP.gif)
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 09:04:42 PM
My expectations getting this high can only lead to disappointment.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 31, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
Keep it level headed mate and you'll be amazed like I was :P

Empire didn't make me cry but its pretty emotional, especially considering its Bruce writing the whole thing, and what he's been through lately.  That echoes with me on a personal level.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on August 31, 2015, 09:56:24 PM
Fair enough mate.  I'm so looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Nel on August 31, 2015, 10:25:00 PM
I just realized I haven't said a word about this album since it was announced, so I'll just get this out of my system months later:

Dat old style logo wit dem pointy letters! Dem track lengths! Ooooooooh!  :metal
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: adace on August 31, 2015, 11:03:27 PM
The album is fantastic but it hasn't fully clicked with me yet. I'm getting there though.

I'm kinda leaning towards Death or Glory as my favorite track. It's just so epic and bursting with energy. Could have easily been on one of the 80's albums.

Also, this guy is uploading spot-on guitar covers of the new songs: https://www.youtube.com/user/crave136/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/crave136/videos)
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 31, 2015, 11:39:49 PM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

You will not be disappointed.  You just improved your life.

Immensely!

I've been enjoying the first five albums crazily and I'm looking forward to those two.
I'm debating whether or not to buy the book of souls on friday. Part of me thinks it's too soon but the other part wants to enjoy a new release with everyone else.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 02:38:33 AM
I just said screw it and ordered Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

You will not be disappointed.  You just improved your life.

Immensely!

I've been enjoying the first five albums crazily and I'm looking forward to those two.
I'm debating whether or not to buy the book of souls on friday. Part of me thinks it's too soon but the other part wants to enjoy a new release with everyone else.

Might as well, could be the last time you enjoy a new IM release with the fan base, although I know the guys were quoted saying they dont want it to be the last release, but you never know.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 01, 2015, 04:00:57 AM
All discussion related to the new album goes here so people can discuss other aspects of Maiden in the other thread without risking spoilers.

No problem with a new thread, but what I never understood is, what is there to "spoil" about an upcoming music release?

I mean, I can understand that in Movies, TV-series, books, when someone spoils the end and tells us who dies, who did it etc, that that can spoil the whole fun of watching/reading.

But in music? What is there to spoil, that can spoil my listening experience? When someone says Book Of Souls is good (or bad), the best (or worst or whatever) then it's personal opinion and no spoiler. When someone says that it's heavier/less heavy than previous albums? Isn't that all subjective and therefore no real spoiler? Is it a spoiler when someone told us that Bruce plays piano on Empire?

And yes, this question is meant mostly serious.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 04:07:52 AM
Empire of the Clouds is possibly my new favorite Maiden song. I cried when I first heard it.

Are you serious?

I'm not sure about the ranking yet, but yeah, I cried a little bit when I heard it. That song is beautiful. It's to Iron Maiden what The Garden was to Rush.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 04:16:03 AM
This album is..... AWESOME!!!!  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

Seriously, I can't say how amazing this album is.  I've listened to the first half about 20 times now and I love it.  The second half only a few times and its also very good.  Its just sooo much music to take in, but I really love it.  Lots of new things for IM here, but it still sounds clearly like IM and seems to have a lot of old styles mixed in with the new.  Also some of it reminds me a bit of Bruce solo but I guess that is due to his contributions on this one.
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Post by: Mladen on September 01, 2015, 04:28:46 AM
This album is just fantastic. Empire of the clouds is one of the best songs they've ever done, and so is The Red and the black. I love When the river runs deep, If eternity should fail, Death or glory, Speed of light and The Man of sorrows as well.
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Post by: Lowdz on September 01, 2015, 04:50:39 AM
I would also want to say that there were a couple of runs that totally reminded me of the DiAnno era albums. Seriously.
And I think that is fucking  :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

This makes me happy  :biggrin:
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 05:21:27 AM
To help temper expectations, I should probably mention that I'm honestly not a big fan of The Red and the Black. It's got a lot of great riffs and massive instrumental section, but it feels like Steve just rushed the song out and didn't take any time to really work out the song. It actually feels considerably longer to me than Empire does, despite being five minutes shorter.

Thankfully Disc 1 has the strengths of If Eternity Should Fail and the title track to really hold it together. It's kinda like Powerslave, in that regard.
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 01, 2015, 05:29:34 AM
To help temper expectations, I should probably mention that I'm honestly not a big fan of The Red and the Black.

I enjoy the song. But where it falls down for me is the band's insistence at playing the melody on guitar under the vocals. I just don't think it's needed.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 05:46:32 AM
To help temper expectations, I should probably mention that I'm honestly not a big fan of The Red and the Black.

I enjoy the song. But where it falls down for me is the band's insistence at playing the melody on guitar under the vocals. I just don't think it's needed.

I think thats one of the many awesome aspects of the songs and its something IM haven't done.  Really makes the song stick out and adds power to Bruce's vocals.  That song is a BEAST and although it kind of is like your standard Steve Harris IM epic, it really feels like its one of the better ones IMO.  Granted it is also new so maybe over time my opinion will change.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 06:11:09 AM
I think thats one of the many awesome aspects of the songs and its something IM haven't done.  Really makes the song stick out and adds power to Bruce's vocals.  That song is a BEAST and although it kind of is like your standard Steve Harris IM epic, it really feels like its one of the better ones IMO.  Granted it is also new so maybe over time my opinion will change.

It's not really a new thing for Maiden; Steve did the same thing on the last album with When the Wild Wind Blows. It just felt more natural/less noticeable there because the main melody was more nursery rhyme-ish. Also, while Bruce does sing really high on the main melody for TRatB, he sounds strained a lot of the time to me. I'm hesitant to imagine him singing this song consistently on the tour next year.

As for where this song ranks among Steve's IM epics... honestly, I think this one's the weakest he's done in a long time. At least since No More Tears and possibly even longer than that. It's not as lyrically repetitive as a lot of his stuff from the late 80's onward, but I just get the impression that Steve sat down one afternoon in the studio, came up with a bunch of riffs and strung 'em together and said, "Eh, that should do." It comes off like an incomplete homework essay that was rushed at the last second. Something that could have been absolutely incredible, had Steve just taken more time to work things out.

I think that's the result of how this album was written mostly in the studio spontaneously (IESF, SoL and DoG were all written in advance though). I think the new approach worked brilliantly, as the band sounds incredibly inspired on this album, but I think Steve himself probably works better when he's given a bit more time to tinker around with his own work.
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Post by: wolfking on September 01, 2015, 06:12:13 AM
So, how does Speed of Light rank compared to the rest of the songs.  Is it one of the weaker tracks?
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 06:18:46 AM
So, how does Speed of Light rank compared to the rest of the songs.  Is it one of the weaker tracks?

My initial take is that it is one of the weaker tracks, but I still need to digest the album more, however Speed of Light is also growing on me the more I listen to it so who knows.  I'd say im certain it is not near the top of my track rankings though.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 06:45:47 AM
So, how does Speed of Light rank compared to the rest of the songs.  Is it one of the weaker tracks?

It's a weaker track, but it's not the weakest track imo. That'd be TRatB for me.
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Post by: Polarbear on September 01, 2015, 06:59:43 AM
The Book of Souls is a great album for sure!!

Brave New World is still my favorite reunion era album, but TBoS and AMOLAD share the second place!

The Red and the Black and Shadows of the Valley didn't do anything for me at first, but both are growing on me.
The title track, If Eternity Should Fail and Empire of the Clouds are the highlights of the album. My favorite song of the album is The Great Unknown though. For me The Great Unknown sounds like a mix of Brave New World (song), Ghost of the Navigator and Infinite Dreams, just an awesome song!

Top.5 as of now.

1. The Great Unknown
2. Empire of the Clouds
3. The Book of Souls
4. If Eternity Should Fail
5. Tears of a Clown

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Post by: Art on September 01, 2015, 07:48:28 AM
I love the album.  :metal

It´s too soon to rank it for me, but it´s safe to say that it´s a very good effort. I want to listen to a high quality sound file, because of course the mp3 that i got it´s pretty bad. i have pre-ordered the album in CD format.

up the irons!  :metal
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Post by: lonestar on September 01, 2015, 08:45:14 AM
Givin it one full spin, and Death and Glory stands out as my favorite of the shorter tracks. Empire of the Clouds is just fucking beast level, I'll go see them live for that track alone.
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Post by: splent on September 01, 2015, 08:54:45 AM
 I never really got  into iron maiden… I know… But it's been on my list of bands I want to get more into. With the new album coming out, I listen to one track from it and enjoyed it, so I'd like some suggestions on where I should start.

 Now obviously I have listens to run to the hills and the number of the beast, and I enjoyed both of those tracks a lot. Should I start with that album?
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Post by: bosk1 on September 01, 2015, 08:57:14 AM
I never really got  into iron maiden… I know… But it's been on my list of bands I want to get more into. With the new album coming out, I listen to one track from it and enjoyed it, so I'd like some suggestions on where I should start.

 Now obviously I have listens to run to the hills and the number of the beast, and I enjoyed both of those tracks a lot. Should I start with that album?

It is a pretty solid album.  Honestly, what hooked me as a recent fan was their live stuff.  For most bands, I would not necessarily recommend that new fans start with live material.  But Maiden is an exception.  SUCH a great live band.  If you have any time at all, pick of the DVD's for either Rock In Rio or En Vivo and watch them (you can also find the complete shows on YouTube, but come on man!  Support that band!). 
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 08:59:19 AM
Givin it one full spin, and Death and Glory stands out as my favorite of the shorter tracks. Empire of the Clouds is just fucking beast level, I'll go see them live for that track alone.

Im very curious as to whether or not Bruce would play the piano live, I'd really like to see them do it, but I doubt it.  I believe they tour with a keyboardist off stage, but it would be amazing for them to pull out a grand piano and have Bruce play and sing.
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Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 09:11:35 AM
Agreed with bosk. Maiden is better live than they are in studio. I would say to get the DVDs of either Rock In Rio or En Vivo for a slant towards contemporary Maiden, and Live After Death for classic Maiden, and because that's pretty widely considered the best live heavy metal video ever.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 09:14:16 AM
Go with Flight 666, an amazing documentary that will make you fall in love with the band and also includes the full set list from that tour (which was exclusively 80s material). Then I say branch out to En Vivo to hear the newer stuff.
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Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 09:35:43 AM
Hmm, yeah, Flight 666 is a good choice. It includes most of the highlights from Live After Death but with a few other late 80s songs.

And the documentary is pretty damn awesome. To explain it briefly: Iron Maiden singer Bruce Dickinson is a pilot, so when the band goes on tour, they pack everything into a Boeing 757 (next tour it'll be a 747) which Bruce flies.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 01, 2015, 09:36:50 AM
Flight 666 is cool.  But for a new fan wanting a standard concert, I would not start there.
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Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 09:40:14 AM
Perhaps not (simply because it's not one concert but a bunch of performances from different shows), but it does have the setlist that is the best overview of 80s Maiden, so that's worth considering. Bosk, I know you lean strongly towards the modern era, and I do too, but I think it's good to note that LAD and F666 showcase what most consider to be their golden era musically.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 09:42:39 AM
Even if its not a single concert, its VERY well done and has each of the songs played on that tour so it's about the same as a full concert, just where every song is in a different venue/country.

My point on F666 is that its ridiculous value for your money.  The documentary is the best I had ever seen for a band and then add in the full concert.  The video and audio is superb. 
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 09:42:39 AM
I agree Cram. One spotlight on Bruce.. Amazing!!
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 09:43:17 AM
   The documentary is the best I had ever seen for a band 

I agree.
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Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 09:51:47 AM
That's true. LAD has (in my opinion) the superior performance quality and the authenticity of being the 80s material recorded in 1985. But F666 does have that documentary, has Janick, and (if this is something that might put someone off) the band is not dressed as ridiculously :lol
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Post by: Zydar on September 01, 2015, 09:52:22 AM
The intro to Shadows Of The Valley sounds a little like a slowed down Wasted Years intro :P
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 09:55:17 AM
The intro to Shadows Of The Valley sounds a little like a slowed down Wasted Years intro :P

Yea, I hear the similarities
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 09:59:35 AM
the band is not dressed as ridiculously :lol

 :lol it is easier on the eyes, those outfits  :lol
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 10:21:46 AM
The intro to Shadows Of The Valley sounds a little like a slowed down Wasted Years intro :P

I'm pretty sure that's intentional. The song even refers to Sea of Madness lyrically. :hat

Givin it one full spin, and Death and Glory stands out as my favorite of the shorter tracks. Empire of the Clouds is just fucking beast level, I'll go see them live for that track alone.

Im very curious as to whether or not Bruce would play the piano live, I'd really like to see them do it, but I doubt it.  I believe they tour with a keyboardist off stage, but it would be amazing for them to pull out a grand piano and have Bruce play and sing.

Bruce has gone on record saying that he doesn't think they'll play Empire live, but Dave's also said that he thinks the band can and should play it live. So hopefully Dave wins that battle.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 10:23:42 AM
Interesting, I didnt know they were quoted about playing any of the new songs live.  Historically they always played the epic track on each album minus Alexander the Great, but then again with TBoS and TRatB, those could be played instead.  Who knows, this album is worthy of the AMoLaD live treatment, but I dont think they will do something like that again, especially since this album is even longer and would only leave room for an encore.
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 10:44:33 AM
   Who knows, this album is worthy of the AMoLaD live treatment, but I dont think they will do something like that again, especially since this album is even longer and would only leave room for an encore.

That is not the plan. I know I read something recently on this subject. I think it was in the Steve Harris interview that someone linked from MaidenFans.
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Post by: Stadler on September 01, 2015, 10:53:51 AM
Since Iron Maiden (opening for Priest) was my first concert ever back in '82, and because I'm a joiner, I'll give my list:

1. Powerslave
2. Killers
3. Piece of Mind
4. Somewhere In Time
5. The Number of the Beast
6. Dance of Death
7. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
8. The Final Frontier
9. A Matter of Life and Death
10. Brave New World
11. Iron Maiden
12. No Prayer for the Dying
13. Fear of the Dark
14. The X Factor
15. Virtual XI
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 10:59:02 AM
Since Iron Maiden (opening for Priest) was my first concert ever back in '82,

I remember the tour vividly, and knew a couple of kids who went. I was not able to go to concerts yet, but saw them the following August on the Piece Of Mind tour.
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Post by: Mladen on September 01, 2015, 11:01:26 AM
Bruce has gone on record saying that he doesn't think they'll play Empire live, but Dave's also said that he thinks the band can and should play it live. So hopefully Dave wins that battle.
Is this from an interview somewhere? I'd love to read it.
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 11:02:57 AM
Dave doesn't seem to be the battling type! :lol
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Post by: jammindude on September 01, 2015, 11:07:15 AM
From everything I've heard so far, I would almost prefer the AMOLAD treatment than hear "the hits" for the umteenth time.
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 11:10:03 AM
From everything I've heard so far, I would almost prefer the AMOLAD treatment than hear "the hits" for the umteenth time.

Oh, I totally agree.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
Bruce has gone on record saying that he doesn't think they'll play Empire live, but Dave's also said that he thinks the band can and should play it live. So hopefully Dave wins that battle.
Is this from an interview somewhere? I'd love to read it.

It's a foreign interview, if memory serves me right. I think it was either Germany or Brazil. Could be wrong though. I'm pretty sure Bruce's comments on Empire were from a French interview he did a couple weeks ago.

Interesting, I didnt know they were quoted about playing any of the new songs live.  Historically they always played the epic track on each album minus Alexander the Great, but then again with TBoS and TRatB, those could be played instead.  Who knows, this album is worthy of the AMoLaD live treatment, but I dont think they will do something like that again, especially since this album is even longer and would only leave room for an encore.

I have a feeling those two will definitely be played, but I'd much, much rather see Empire than TRatB personally.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 01, 2015, 01:39:38 PM
Gave it a full spin yesterday, without skipping Speed of Light as I did yesterday, its actually better in context I feel - it ties the album together and gives a bit of respite between all the epics.

I really don't know that Empire will ever be played live.  I think if it did, Kenney would be playing the piano part - Bruce has said in an interview that the piano he recorded was done through MIDI so they could edit it, which leads me to believe he'd need a bit of practice to pull it off live.  Which is doable, but I don't know how Bruce would feel being tied down to a piano for 18mins :lol  But it seems like it would be difficult for reasons other than that as well, lots of different parts, moreso than any other epic, that weird 15/8 riff (or maybe its | 4/4 | 4/4 | 4/4 | 3/4 | ), the oddball changes and stuff like that.  It would be fantastic to see live though.
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Post by: Stadler on September 01, 2015, 01:52:43 PM
Since Iron Maiden (opening for Priest) was my first concert ever back in '82,

I remember the tour vividly, and knew a couple of kids who went. I was not able to go to concerts yet, but saw them the following August on the Piece Of Mind tour.

Saw that too at New Haven Coliseum; Coney Hatch (sucked) and Fastway (awesome) opened.   The band started with "Where Eagles Dare" and Dickinson's mike wasn't working so he sang the first verse with no mike and I could still hear him (I was about 40 feet from the stage, but on the side).   Blew me away.   
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Post by: kingshmegland on September 01, 2015, 01:58:11 PM
I was lucky to see Maiden live on that great 3 album run of POM, Powerslave and SIT tours.
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 02:07:18 PM
Since Iron Maiden (opening for Priest) was my first concert ever back in '82,

I remember the tour vividly, and knew a couple of kids who went. I was not able to go to concerts yet, but saw them the following August on the Piece Of Mind tour.

Saw that too at New Haven Coliseum; Coney Hatch (sucked) and Fastway (awesome) opened.   The band started with "Where Eagles Dare" and Dickinson's mike wasn't working so he sang the first verse with no mike and I could still hear him (I was about 40 feet from the stage, but on the side).   Blew me away.

Saw them on 8/27/83 at the old Cape Cod Coliseum. I even bought the Coney Hatch album in anticipation.
And yes, Fastway was great. My eyes were glued to Jerry Shirley.

It was an awesome show.

I would turn 15 about a month later.

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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 03:13:30 PM
That would truly be upsetting if it never gets played live, but not totally out of the norm for IM
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 01, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
The first moment that really struck me from this album:

OMG WASTED YEARS?

*Listening to Shadows of the Valley*
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Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2015, 03:23:02 PM
My first IM show was in 2005 during Ozzfest in NJ where they only played songs from the first 4 albums. Not quite as cool, but certainly memorable for me.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 01, 2015, 04:15:29 PM
Interesting, I didnt know they were quoted about playing any of the new songs live.  Historically they always played the epic track on each album minus Alexander the Great, but then again with TBoS and TRatB, those could be played instead.  Who knows, this album is worthy of the AMoLaD live treatment, but I dont think they will do something like that again, especially since this album is even longer and would only leave room for an encore.

I have a feeling those two will definitely be played, but I'd much, much rather see Empire than TRatB personally.

I think TRaTB was pretty much written with the live performance in mind - it's built for crowd participation with the 'whoa-oh' parts, which kind of lets the song down a little bit.  Its much better when that grows out of the song organically, like Fear of the Dark live, or anything off Rush in Rio :P

I read in a french interview that If Eternity Should Fail was demoed by Bruce in full for a possible solo album, and was nabbed by Steve (just like Bring Your Daughter).  You can really hear that - it would not sound out of place on Tyranny of Souls, that spoken word part especially.

It also makes me hopeful that maybe Bruce has another solo album somewhat in the can, which has been rumoured for a while now :o

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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 01, 2015, 04:18:17 PM
Since Iron Maiden (opening for Priest) was my first concert ever back in '82,

I remember the tour vividly, and knew a couple of kids who went. I was not able to go to concerts yet, but saw them the following August on the Piece Of Mind tour.

Saw that too at New Haven Coliseum; Coney Hatch (sucked) and Fastway (awesome) opened.   The band started with "Where Eagles Dare" and Dickinson's mike wasn't working so he sang the first verse with no mike and I could still hear him (I was about 40 feet from the stage, but on the side).   Blew me away.   

Holy shit! That's an awesome story.

I was lucky to see Maiden live on that great 3 album run of POM, Powerslave and SIT tours.

Jealous.

My first Maiden show wasn't til 2009, but I'd been listening to them since I was sentient.  My book for silent reading at primary (elementary) school was Mick Wall's Run to the Hills :lol
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 04:29:15 PM
I was not really familiar with the R-101 disaster. This is a quick video lesson.

http://wn.com/r-101
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Post by: aurorablind on September 01, 2015, 05:01:45 PM
Anobody else in love with the title track?
The main riff is one of Maidens coolest riffs ever. Janick rocks! :metal
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Post by: TAC on September 01, 2015, 05:04:25 PM
I love how it picks up and Bruce is epic at the very end.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 01, 2015, 05:06:16 PM
Totally agreed on that riff! Its so killer and sounds brutal over Nicko's brooding half time sledgehammer drums.  Love it. 

Jan really delivered on this one, its up there with Dance of Death imo.
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 10:29:11 PM
Agreed with bosk. Maiden is better live than they are in studio. I would say to get the DVDs of either Rock In Rio or En Vivo for a slant towards contemporary Maiden, and Live After Death for classic Maiden, and because that's pretty widely considered the best live heavy metal video ever.

Maiden England is better than Live After Death, imo. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Infinite Dreams, Killers, Moonchild, Still Life and The Prisoner? All it'd need is Phantom of the Opera to truly seal the deal.
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Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 10:36:09 PM
But Aces High, Revelations, Flight of Icarus, Powerslave and Rime of the Ancient Mariner!

Maiden England is phenomenal, really, and I can definitely see why you'd think it's better. A rewatch of both is long overdue for me, and at that point I may have a different opinion about which is better. But Live After Death is absolutely legendary, because it captures one of the best live bands ever at the very top of their touring game. And for me it remains my automatic response to the question "what is the best live album?"
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Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 10:38:27 PM
But Aces High, Revelations, Flight of Icarus, Powerslave and Rime of the Ancient Mariner!

Maiden England is phenomenal, really, and I can definitely see why you'd think it's better. A rewatch of both is long overdue for me, and at that point I may have a different opinion about which is better. But Live After Death is absolutely legendary, because it captures one of the best live bands ever at the very top of their touring game. And for me it remains my automatic response to the question "what is the best live album?"

Aces High and Rime are both overrated in my book (though I do like 'em both) and I prefer the later 80's Maiden material anyway. The early 80's deep-cuts on Maiden England are also more to my own tastes anyway.

Like I said, all ME would need to really seal the deal is Phantom. That's the big jewel that LAD has.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 01, 2015, 10:45:07 PM
I'd probably take Maiden England's setlist too over LAD.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 10:48:04 PM
Honestly, purely in terms of setlist, I'd rate them about equally, with LAD maybe a little ahead. LAD has some great cuts that ME lacks and vice versa (which is why it's great that we have both of them!). Just so we can look at it, here's a quick list of what each has that the other doesn't:

LAD:
Aces High
2 Minutes to Midnight
The Trooper
Revelations
Flight of Icarus
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Powerslave
Wrathchild (audio only)
22 Acacia Avenue (audio only)
Children of the Damned (audio only)
The Phantom of the Opera (audio only)

ME:
Moonchild
The Evil That Men Do
The Prisoner
Still Life
Infinite Dreams
Killers
Can I Play With Madness
Heaven Can Wait
Wasted Years
The Clairvoyant
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son

Yeah, between those two lists I'd take LAD, though they're both really good. Actually, looking at these written out, I'm pleasantly surprised by how much is different. Really smart of them to only really repeat the "essential" songs on the setlist.

But for me, in the end, it's the performance. LAD's performances are absolutely legendary. It's really a tour de force and it stands out on that level above all the other Maiden live albums except for maybe Rock In Rio. This is a fairly subjective criteria, though, so your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on September 01, 2015, 10:56:06 PM
Maybe it's because LAD's setlist is too "obvious" for me, but the only real treasures on it for me are the last three tracks: 22 Acacia Avenue, Children of the Damned and Phantom of the Opera.

Meanwhile, ME just has this insane behemoth of a setlist that represents what I see as the band's peak during the 80's. Despite their statuses as great songs, Rime, Revelation and the like simply do not match the power of something like Seventh Son or Infinite Dreams in my book.

Moreover I like the tone and performances of ME more too. It's darker, moodier.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: wolfking on September 01, 2015, 11:18:58 PM
^^^^^^^^^^

This is pretty much what I think too.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: nobloodyname on September 01, 2015, 11:21:32 PM
I read in a french interview that If Eternity Should Fail was demoed by Bruce in full for a possible solo album, and was nabbed by Steve (just like Bring Your Daughter).  You can really hear that - it would not sound out of place on Tyranny of Souls, that spoken word part especially.

Yes! I think I actually mumbled out loud at the end of the song, "oooh... reminds me of bits of The Chemical Wedding (album)!" (particularly from Scream for Me Brazil).
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 01, 2015, 11:22:38 PM
I like the last two 80s albums better than Powerslave as well, but to me, those songs don't come to life in a concert setting as well as the songs from The Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind and Powerslave do. Honestly, Live After Death has practically taken the place of Powerslave for me, because those live recordings of AH, 2MTM, the title track and ROTAM absolutely blow away the studio versions of those songs, and I find the other four songs from that studio album to be pretty meh, so whenever I feel like listening to PS songs, I typically go to LAD. Whereas when I want to listen to SSOASS I listen to that album, not ME. So that could be another factor leading to my favoring LAD.

I feel I must say, since you specifically mentioned that song, that Revelations at LAD may be my favorite single live performance ever. Long Beach Arena, can you feel it?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 02, 2015, 12:35:39 AM
Man, talk about memories... I remember when Live after Death came out and i instantly bought it on vinyl. The artwork, the inside cover photography, the setlist, the production. Everything was top notch. The performances outshine their studio counterparts by far. As for classic Maiden, none better. I really loved Maiden England as well, espacially Seven son of a seventh son....what an athmosphere!

For more recent live concerts you can't really go wrong with Rock in Rio en En Vivo (crazy Chileans!) and as some have said the EXCELLENT Flight 666.

And if you want to have a good laugh, check out the History of Iron Maiden (parts I, II and III) which are on various dvd's.
Part I: The Early Days (with great early concert footage with Paul D'ianno, in a pub, nice and raw)
Part II is on the Live after Death DVD (includes their first 'Iron Curtain Tour', where they crash a Polish Wedding and play some  coversongs with the wedding band)
Part III is on 'Maiden England' and handles the period right after Live after Death, the making of SOASS and Somewhere in Time.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 02, 2015, 12:37:33 AM
I like the last two 80s albums better than Powerslave as well, but to me, those songs don't come to life in a concert setting as well as the songs from The Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind and Powerslave do. Honestly, Live After Death has practically taken the place of Powerslave for me, because those live recordings of AH, 2MTM, the title track and ROTAM absolutely blow away the studio versions of those songs, and I find the other four songs from that studio album to be pretty meh, so whenever I feel like listening to PS songs, I typically go to LAD. Whereas when I want to listen to SSOASS I listen to that album, not ME. So that could be another factor leading to my favoring LAD.

I feel I must say, since you specifically mentioned that song, that Revelations at LAD may be my favorite single live performance ever. Long Beach Arena, can you feel it?

I consider Powerslave to be one of the, if not the best Maiden album. The playing on that is ridiculously tight. Also, with all the classic live performances, no one mentions Hallowed be thy name?
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 02, 2015, 12:39:17 AM
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Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 02, 2015, 01:18:21 AM
Also, with all the classic live performances, no one mentions Hallowed be thy name?

My favourite part in the LAD video is when Adrian and Dave walk up the drum riser stairs and along the opposing catwalks during the final guitar harmony in Hallowed.  Brilliant moment. 
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 02, 2015, 01:37:45 AM
The album run from Number Of The Beast to Powerslave is my favorite Maiden period. Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son aren't bad, but for me no match. So I would prefer Live after Death, the only problem I have is that they play Revelations (one of the best IM songs) too fast and therefore almost ruin it.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 04:28:51 AM
Also, with all the classic live performances, no one mentions Hallowed be thy name?

My favourite part in the LAD video is when Adrian and Dave walk up the drum riser stairs and along the opposing catwalks during the final guitar harmony in Hallowed.  Brilliant moment.

It was 30 years ago this summer that I saw that tour, but I absolutely remember that from the concert.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Mister Gold on September 02, 2015, 04:53:24 AM
I consider Powerslave to be one of the, if not the best Maiden album. The playing on that is ridiculously tight. Also, with all the classic live performances, no one mentions Hallowed be thy name?

That would be because Bruce botches Hallowed on both LAD and Maiden England. The only really good live album performance of it he did in the 80's was on Beast over Hammersmith. That performance is transcendental.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Art on September 02, 2015, 05:23:58 AM
If Eternity Should Fail does have the "Bruce Dickinson solo career feeling". Amazing song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 02, 2015, 05:33:53 AM
Bruce Air to Paris to hear The Book Of Souls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOwQaVt8LiA)
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 06:52:21 AM
Just had my first complete uninterrupted listen to Empire Of The Clouds. Amazing.


I'm really just now starting to sink my teeth into this, but my first impression is that while each of the first four Reunion Era albums have their own personality, this one feels like it pulls from each of the previous four.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Mladen on September 02, 2015, 07:15:31 AM
Bruce has gone on record saying that he doesn't think they'll play Empire live, but Dave's also said that he thinks the band can and should play it live. So hopefully Dave wins that battle.
Is this from an interview somewhere? I'd love to read it.

It's a foreign interview, if memory serves me right. I think it was either Germany or Brazil. Could be wrong though. I'm pretty sure Bruce's comments on Empire were from a French interview he did a couple weeks ago.
Found it. I think Bruce is concerned about being able to play Empire live because he apparently isn't that great pianist. He doesn't know if he will be able to perform it properly.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Mister Gold on September 02, 2015, 08:33:46 AM
Just had my first complete uninterrupted listen to Empire Of The Clouds. Amazing.

Yeah, it is. Talk about a masterpiece. 

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I'm really just now starting to sink my teeth into this, but my first impression is that while each of the first four Reunion Era albums have their own personality, this one feels like it pulls from each of the previous four.

I think TBoS pulls from a large majority of the band's discography. It feels like a culmination.

Found it. I think Bruce is concerned about being able to play Empire live because he apparently isn't that great pianist. He doesn't know if he will be able to perform it properly.

Yep, that's the impression I got too. I think they'd probably get Kinney to play the piano parts for Bruce if they play it live, unless Bruce feels compelled to play it himself.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 08:57:55 AM
Mister Gold, I like your culmination comment. And for old time's sake, it even contains some filler! :omg:
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: emtee on September 02, 2015, 09:12:41 AM
My big take away so far is that I feel a lot of emotion in some of these songs. I can't say that about too many Maiden songs.
Feels like they really put their soul into this and I'm sure what Bruce was going through at the time played a part in that.
I can see it being a top 2 or 3 all time Maiden album!
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Post by: Mladen on September 02, 2015, 09:27:51 AM
Well, if they decide to play the song live, it would only make sense for Bruce to play the piano. At least in my head. It would be great to see Bruce playing piano and singing at the same time, that would be new.
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 09:38:06 AM
Well, if they decide to play the song live, it would only make sense for Bruce to play the piano. At least in my head. It would be great to see Bruce playing piano and singing at the same time, that would be new.

What makes the Reunion era so special is that Maiden is not backing away from any challenges. They are pushing themselves beyond what even their biggest fans (like me) could imagine. It would not surprise me in the least if they did this.
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Post by: ariich on September 02, 2015, 09:41:49 AM
Feels like they really put their soul into this and I'm sure what Bruce was going through at the time played a part in that.
Not sure if there's something else I don't know about, but his cancer wasn't diagnosed until the album was almost completed.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 09:46:25 AM
Feels like they really put their soul into this and I'm sure what Bruce was going through at the time played a part in that.
Not sure if there's something else I don't know about, but his cancer wasn't diagnosed until the album was almost completed.

He mentioned in this interview released yesterday that he found it with 6 weeks left of recording.
http://bravewords.com/news/iron-maiden-frontman-bruce-dickinsons-cancer-doctor-i-do-like-a-bit-of-maiden-but-im-actually-a-rush-fan-video
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Post by: El Barto on September 02, 2015, 09:52:57 AM
Only listened to two songs so far, but it seems pretty typical. Ari needs to learn that length just for the sake of length isn't a good thing. Empire of the Clouds isn't a bad song, but it's damn sure 5 minutes too long. You could tell they were going for a Rhyme kind of thing with it, and Rhyme pushed it right up to the edge of getting redundant (but didn't cross over). With Empire there are points where you just skip ahead 90 seconds and don't miss anything.

Speed of Light is a perfectly decent song, but nothing remarkable. I thought the video was actually better than the song.
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Post by: Zydar on September 02, 2015, 10:03:22 AM
I've had that Empire piano riff in my head all day now.
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Post by: Dream Team on September 02, 2015, 12:27:20 PM
Unfortunately this album is getting slagged on a lot of metal forums. Typical critiques:

Which is pretty much what they used to do. It's a bit heartbreaking because I can see why they went in this direction and why they might feel it's a good fit for them, but they're just not very good at it. Being adventurous with songwriting should involve more than this. They may be writing really long songs but it doesn't feel like they are challenging themselves, musicianship-wise, or doing enough to keep those lengthy compositions from sounding extremely repetitive. They might be talented enough to write some true progressive music (and they've certainly hinted at this before) but their hearts just don't really seem to be in it. Bless them for trying so hard to be interesting, and I've no doubt they're totally sincere in everything they attempt...

I've given fresh listens to some of their other overly diluted albums in the past few days, especially AMoLaD, and, while there are plain old fillers and recycling aplenty as well, this is still the main problem. Songs like "For the Greater Good of God" or "Lord of Light" would actually be great, had any kind of competent song arranger had their say in the studio. And Maiden has a bunch of guys like that, in theory.

What's mindbogglingly frustrating is that, out of all these guys, it appears that the one chiefly responsible for all this aggravating bullshit is the former fucking songwriting genius who came up with the bulk of the Maiden style and early classic material.... V_v
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Post by: Zydar on September 02, 2015, 12:30:14 PM
I wonder if this is official artwork or some fan-made graphics?

(http://www.grande-rock.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large/imagesnews/ironmaiden-thebookofsouls-cover-2015.jpg)

I found it on this site.

http://www.grande-rock.com/news/iron-maiden-release-book-souls-september-4th-2015 (http://www.grande-rock.com/news/iron-maiden-release-book-souls-september-4th-2015)
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Post by: Mladen on September 02, 2015, 12:39:55 PM
I don't think that's official but I would like it to be. The minimalistic approach of having no background is still kinda odd, but Eddie looks great anyway.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Zydar on September 02, 2015, 12:40:51 PM
I much prefer this one over the official one.
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Post by: Stadler on September 02, 2015, 01:20:28 PM
Unfortunately this album is getting slagged on a lot of metal forums. Typical critiques:

Which is pretty much what they used to do. It's a bit heartbreaking because I can see why they went in this direction and why they might feel it's a good fit for them, but they're just not very good at it. Being adventurous with songwriting should involve more than this. They may be writing really long songs but it doesn't feel like they are challenging themselves, musicianship-wise, or doing enough to keep those lengthy compositions from sounding extremely repetitive. They might be talented enough to write some true progressive music (and they've certainly hinted at this before) but their hearts just don't really seem to be in it. Bless them for trying so hard to be interesting, and I've no doubt they're totally sincere in everything they attempt...

I've given fresh listens to some of their other overly diluted albums in the past few days, especially AMoLaD, and, while there are plain old fillers and recycling aplenty as well, this is still the main problem. Songs like "For the Greater Good of God" or "Lord of Light" would actually be great, had any kind of competent song arranger had their say in the studio. And Maiden has a bunch of guys like that, in theory.

What's mindbogglingly frustrating is that, out of all these guys, it appears that the one chiefly responsible for all this aggravating bullshit is the former fucking songwriting genius who came up with the bulk of the Maiden style and early classic material.... V_v

These "critiques" are useless if you ask me.   These "geniuses" just want to hear something different, and that's fine.  Go listen to something different.   But to imply that, after 14 albums and a gadbazillion records sold that Harris et al are "incompentent" at what they do... well, then, I'll take "incompentent" all frigging day. 
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Post by: El Barto on September 02, 2015, 01:59:46 PM
Actually, he summed up my thoughts on EotS perfectly.
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Which is pretty much what they used to do. It's a bit heartbreaking because I can see why they went in this direction and why they might feel it's a good fit for them, but they're just not very good at it. Being adventurous with songwriting should involve more than this. They may be writing really long songs but it doesn't feel like they are challenging themselves, musicianship-wise, or doing enough to keep those lengthy compositions from sounding extremely repetitive. They might be talented enough to write some true progressive music (and they've certainly hinted at this before) but their hearts just don't really seem to be in it. Bless them for trying so hard to be interesting, and I've no doubt they're totally sincere in everything they attempt...
Maiden has always had a penchant for repetition, and the more successful they become the more he thinks they need to push what they're doing further. AMoLaD was fairly fresh by Maiden standards, hence my fondness for it, but for the most part they're increasingly formulaic and that really is a shame.

Still, I'm holding out hope for the rest of the album. I'm only reacting to what they presumably considered the centerpiece.
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 02:11:35 PM
Actually, he summed up my thoughts on EotC perfectly.
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Which is pretty much what they used to do. It's a bit heartbreaking because I can see why they went in this direction and why they might feel it's a good fit for them, but they're just not very good at it. Being adventurous with songwriting should involve more than this. They may be writing really long songs but it doesn't feel like they are challenging themselves, musicianship-wise, or doing enough to keep those lengthy compositions from sounding extremely repetitive. They might be talented enough to write some true progressive music (and they've certainly hinted at this before) but their hearts just don't really seem to be in it. Bless them for trying so hard to be interesting, and I've no doubt they're totally sincere in everything they attempt...
Maiden has always had a penchant for repetition, and the more successful they become the more he thinks they need to push what they're doing further. AMoLaD was fairly fresh by Maiden standards, hence my fondness for it, but for the most part they're increasingly formulaic and that really is a shame.

Still, I'm holding out hope for the rest of the album. I'm only reacting to what they presumably considered the centerpiece.

Bart, in that quote, that's always been how I felt about Savatage.. anyway, back to Maiden.


I actually disagree. It DOES feel like they are challenging themselves, and has so the entire Reunion Era. One can certainly question if their execution is effective or not, but I don't think anyone can argue that they are not challenging themselves.


These "critiques" are useless if you ask me.   These "geniuses" just want to hear something different, and that's fine.  Go listen to something different.   But to imply that, after 14 albums and a gadbazillion records sold that Harris et al are "incompentent" at what they do... well, then, I'll take "incompentent" all frigging day. 
This is funny because I was thinking this very same thing listening to the album today. Basically I was listening to a part that I strongly disagreed with and thought that Steve Harris is the most stubborn guy in metal. Then I immediately thought that he has only guided the most successful metal band in history this way.  :lol

Only listened to two songs so far, but it seems pretty typical. Ari needs to learn that length just for the sake of length isn't a good thing. Empire of the Clouds isn't a bad song, but it's damn sure 5 minutes too long. You could tell they were going for a Rhyme kind of thing with it, and Rhyme pushed it right up to the edge of getting redundant (but didn't cross over). With Empire there are points where you just skip ahead 90 seconds and don't miss anything. 

Bart, I am with you on Rime completely. Believe it or not, Maiden put me off with Powerslave when it came out. They were so boasting about the length of Rime, and I felt it was simply long for long's sake. Both the song AND the album have aged very well for me, but honestly, I still have a hard time listing it as one of their masterpieces.

But at this point, I'm fine with EOTC the way it is. The transitions feel a bit rough, and I'm not sure the point of the DUH DUH DUH part, but there is so much that is great going on, that I am giving it the benefit of the doubt for now.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2015, 02:54:48 PM
I'd be more upset if that type of review was coming from a lead writer in the metal history, but I really don't take opinions of music too seriously especially from annonymous internet folk, including here no offense.  Everyone has different tastes.  However, I do think certain things like "maiden aren't challenging themselves" is a poor excuse for disliking the music.  The music has evolved so much and it's not just longer songs, although it's fine to say one thinks songs could be shorter, that's a fair opinion.  Either way, I am loving this album, I am a maiden die hard so I am also biased, but I feel this album did continue their evolution, but also stuck true to what IM have always been in many ways.
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 03:09:23 PM
   Either way, I am loving this album, I am a maiden die hard so I am also biased, but I feel this album did continue their evolution, but also stuck true to what IM have always been in many ways.
Cram, I know you're a huge Maiden fan, so I always appreciate your opinion.


I am also LOVING this album. Trust me, I love it. So what I'm about to say may not sound like I love it, but really I do.
My first impressions are this will be the first time in the Reunion era that one of their albums does not eclipse the previous one. Now that's a tall order because the two previous ones are arguably their two best albums in my book.

I feel like this album is a lot like Dance Of Death. Like DOD, it will be carried by its epics. But the refusal to trim 12 minutes, or two songs, is not an excuse to release a double album. IMO, they could've easily cut two of the following; If Eternity Should Fail, Death Or Glory, or Shadows In The Valley (why that opening??). They are all decent songs, but they are also on par with some of the filler on Dance Of Death.
But hey, that's my gripe! I LOVE Dance Of Death, and I love this album. But I don't love it as much as AMOLAD or TFF.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 02, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
That's a fair opinion, but I thought TFF was a let down from AMoLAD (my favorite IM album so I understand it was going to be hard to top that).
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 03:19:44 PM
AMOLAD, to me, is a landmark album. It's an epic masterpiece and it cracked my Top 3, which is a remarkable thing 25 years into a band's career. To me, TFF is just colored a bit brighter and is a little easier on the ears.

I remember thinking how the hell were they going to top AMOLAD. There's not much in their discography that does measure up to it, but I just take a tad more enjoyment out of TFF.
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Post by: El Barto on September 02, 2015, 03:40:53 PM
Bart, I am with you on Rime completely. Believe it or not, Maiden put me off with Powerslave when it came out. They were so boasting about the length of Rime, and I felt it was simply long for long's sake. Both the song AND the album have aged very well for me, but honestly, I still have a hard time listing it as one of their masterpieces.

But at this point, I'm fine with EOTC the way it is. The transitions feel a bit rough, and I'm not sure the point of the DUH DUH DUH part, but there is so much that is great going on, that I am giving it the benefit of the doubt for now.
Don't get me wrong, I still rank Rhyme as one of the masterpieces. They tried to make it too redundant for my taste, but thankfully stopped just short.

And try it with better punctuation: 
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DUH-DUH-DUH    DUH-----DUH-----DUH     DUH-DUH-DUH
Make more sense?
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 02, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
Ah I see!  SOS.  Can't believe I missed that, doh.

The music has evolved so much and it's not just longer songs, although it's fine to say one thinks songs could be shorter, that's a fair opinion.  Either way, I am loving this album, I am a maiden die hard so I am also biased, but I feel this album did continue their evolution, but also stuck true to what IM have always been in many ways.

this is how I feel about it really.  this is the best of the reunion albums for me, perhaps a tie with BNW, but I think its a huge step up from TFF, and I do think it's less formulaic than usual for Maiden.
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Post by: Mladen on September 02, 2015, 04:01:12 PM
That part is one of the more epic bits of the tune. There's plenty of sections that are there for dramatic, cinematic purposes. You can actually hear the vessel taking off, struggling with turbulence and finally collapsing.
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Post by: Moonchild on September 02, 2015, 04:47:03 PM
love it. Probably as great as BNW and I've been strugling with some Maiden releases since the reunion.
The problem with DoD except the uniqueness of Journeyman and Pashendale was the focus on repetition (No More Lies) and miserable short songs.
AMOLAD was the continuation of the unfocused songs becoming long as hell, tedious and missusing Bruces melodic and charismatic voice, well I couldn't understand half the things he was yelling. I didnt understand why he sounded great live and on the record crap. However it did contain some good songs.
TFF is weird because it was a sort of a return to normal songs but they were on that AMOLAD mindset so the only song I really like is Starblind because is different.

Now my favs:
 EotC is Dickinson real masterpiece... never I thought the man played the piano and wrote something engaging that even Dream Theater hasn't done in a while ...a decent long prog song with no breakdowns. Its catchy, real catchy with no" NO MORE LIES NO MORE LIES NO MORE LIES NO MORE LIES " stuff and that middle guitar riff..is epic

IESF is Chemical Wedding in Maiden, something we fans wanted ever since 99.

When the River Runs Deep is something that changes tempo and could have come from Seventh Son IMO

the only dud is SoL but it does work better in an album environment.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 02, 2015, 05:42:48 PM
You and i share similar thoughts on Maiden, which is nice. :tup
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
And try it with better punctuation: 
Quote
DUH-DUH-DUH    DUH-----DUH-----DUH     DUH-DUH-DUH
Make more sense?

Ah I see!  SOS.  Can't believe I missed that, doh.

Oh OK. I would've never figured that out if it wasn't pointed out to me. Thank you. At least that explains it.
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 06:44:35 PM
love it. Probably as great as BNW and I've been strugling with some Maiden releases since the reunion.
The problem with DoD except the uniqueness of Journeyman and Pashendale was the focus on repetition (No More Lies) and miserable short songs.
AMOLAD was the continuation of the unfocused songs becoming long as hell, tedious and missusing Bruces melodic and charismatic voice, well I couldn't understand half the things he was yelling. I didnt understand why he sounded great live and on the record crap. However it did contain some good songs.
TFF is weird because it was a sort of a return to normal songs but they were on that AMOLAD mindset so the only song I really like is Starblind because is different.

 
IESF is Chemical Wedding in Maiden, something we fans wanted ever since 99.

the only dud is SoL but it does work better in an album environment.

I don't subscribe to any of this. ;D
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Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2015, 07:01:15 PM
For anyone wondering about the deluxe edition, as discussed here or in the other thread, here's some dude's video of it, I think I might stick with the regular version depending on price.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0FNXFcS0W0
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2015, 07:07:02 PM
It was only like $3 extra on Amazon.
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Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2015, 07:08:38 PM
Depends on how big it is for me, doesn't look any bigger than your normal digi though, maybe a bit taller.
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Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2015, 07:09:37 PM
Very cool new interview with Bruce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHOmXTBTBFs
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 02, 2015, 07:40:38 PM
5 songs demoed with roy...
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Post by: wolfking on September 02, 2015, 09:42:47 PM
5 songs?  I must have missed that, I heard him say the opener was basically done with him and Roy, but if that's the case I wonder what Roy thinks about it.  A Bruce solo album was obviously happening but maybe not anymore, and no songwriting credits to Roy.
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 02, 2015, 11:50:00 PM
2m 28s for the confirmation five tracks were demoed with Roy Z.

Cracking interview.

Drop D!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 03, 2015, 01:48:45 AM
Cool interview with Bruce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHCJopm_Un4)
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 02:16:32 AM
I remember a rumor floating around about Roy being pissed about a potential release of a new Bruce solo album, I think the rumor was that they were holding back the solo album so they could release the IM album, but I am wondering if it was more to do with IM stealing a song.  Just speculation, but if there was truth to that, as much as I like If Eternity Should Fail, I'd rather IM to leave that to Bruce and not use it to keep the peace, there's enough good music on the record that they didn't need to take away from Bruce's solo stuff, but like I said, that is just speculation.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 02:18:48 AM
Bruce Air to Paris to hear The Book Of Souls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOwQaVt8LiA)

Bruce on the kazoo!
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 03, 2015, 02:25:22 AM
Yea  :lol
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 03, 2015, 02:44:25 AM
I remember that rumour (I believe it was based on an interview with Roy Z) but I think it pre-dated The Final Frontier.

I've often wondered whether Coming Home was originally intended to be on a Bruce solo album.
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 04:21:06 AM
Coming Home is a fantastic tune and distinctly un-Maiden. Still they did a great job with it.
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 03, 2015, 04:22:34 AM
Agreed on all parts. For me, it's one of the stand-outs of the album.
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 04:39:34 AM
Yes it is and it might be in my Maiden Top 15.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 04:42:31 AM
I personally wouldn't go that far, but agreed that it is fantastic and un-maiden like.  I also love it on En Vivo.
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 04:47:21 AM
I would. ;D

Might also be one of my favorite Maiden lyric too.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 04:48:22 AM
I love how the dedicated BoS thread just turns into general IM discussion  :lol
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 07:01:37 AM
I feel like Speed Of light would've made a better Track 2 on TFF, whereas El Dorado would've fit a lot more as TBOS' second track.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 03, 2015, 07:52:43 AM
I feel like Speed Of light would've made a better Track 2 on TFF, whereas El Dorado would've fit a lot more as THOS' second track.

The Hook Of Souls?
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 07:58:35 AM
 :facepalm:

Sorry, I'm using my Kingshmeglish keyboard! ;D

I actually started typing the title, but decided midstream to use initials. :lol
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Post by: nobloodyname on September 03, 2015, 08:25:03 AM
I feel like Speed Of light would've made a better Track 2 on TFF, whereas El Dorado would've fit a lot more as TBOS' second track.

That's an interesting observation. I do feel that Speed of Light fits on The Book of Souls but my first reaction on hearing the track was that it sounded like a holdover from The Final Frontier. Must admit I really like the track now but was a little underwhelmed at first.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 08:27:07 AM
Speed of Light is definitely a grower.  I liked it from first listen, but it keeps getting better and I feel it fits well in the album.  That said, I also do think it could have fit in El Durado's spot as well.  I think they are similar style songs, but Speed of Light is better.
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Post by: Mladen on September 03, 2015, 08:53:25 AM
I loved El Dorado from the start, although more than I do now. However, even though it's only been a few weeks, I would say Speed of light is much better, I hope it stays great.
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Post by: goo-goo on September 03, 2015, 09:38:28 AM
The intro to Speed of Light makes me want to scream "More Cowbell"
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Post by: aurorablind on September 03, 2015, 02:01:40 PM
So I`ve been listening to this album for about a week now (arrived in the mail yesterday, so a lot of the listening have been illegal).
I`ve had time to digest it, and it`s just incredible how good it is. It aint perfect. The Red and the Black and Shadows of the Walley haven`t really clicked, but the rest of the album... wow.. The best reunion era album? Probably!
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 02:05:55 PM
Shadows In The Valley is probably the weakest track for me. TRATB is fantastic though. Love the extended instrumental break.

I don't think this is the Reunion Era's best album, but it is awesome!!
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Post by: kirksnosehair on September 03, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
Irons Up  :corn
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 03:00:42 PM
Shadows In The Valley is probably the weakest track for me. TRATB is fantastic though. Love the extended instrumental break.

I don't think this is the Reunion Era's best album, but it is awesome!!
Yup, thats my least favorite so far and I really really like TRATB.  I think its one of Steve's better epics.  Too early to say it's their best though, need more time to digest and it's going to be tough to beat AMoLaD for me, but it does have the potential, it's that good.
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Post by: Scorpion on September 03, 2015, 03:08:55 PM
First listen, here I come!

Really digging If Eternity Should Fail - awesome opener.
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Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 03, 2015, 04:10:49 PM
Shadows In The Valley is probably the weakest track for me. TRATB is fantastic though. Love the extended instrumental break.

I don't think this is the Reunion Era's best album, but it is awesome!!
Yup, thats my least favorite so far and I really really like TRATB.  I think its one of Steve's better epics.  Too early to say it's their best though, need more time to digest and it's going to be tough to beat AMoLaD for me, but it does have the potential, it's that good.

Ha.  I really love Shadows of the Valley, and I think TRaTB could be a few minutes shorter.  Surprisingly the tracks I don't dig as much on this album are written by Steve.


My ranking:

1. If Eternity Should Fail
2. Empire of the Clouds
3. When the River Runs Deep
4. The Book of Souls
5. Shadows of the Valley
6. Death or Glory
7. Speed of Light
8. The Red and Black
9. The Man of Sorrows


10. Tears of a Clown
11. The Great Unknown

I think maybe 'Arry's missed the mark a little on this, besides Shadows and the title track - a lot of that comes from just writing meandering, repetitive stuff.  The only two tracks I really don't care for much at all are Tears of a Clown and Great Unknown, otherwise the rest are on a fairly even keel.  To me this album is made all the more glorious for Bruce and Adrian's contributions, and Janick managed to write two absholute bangers.  Still incredibly stoked with it. 
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Post by: aurorablind on September 04, 2015, 12:00:37 AM
The Book of Souls is now available on Spotify!  :metal
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Post by: aurorablind on September 04, 2015, 12:05:29 AM
Song ranking so far:

1. The Book of Souls
2. If Eternity Should Fail
3. When the River Runs Deep
4. Empire of the Clouds
5. Tears of a Clown
6. Death or Glory
7. The Great Unknown
8. Speed of Light
9. The Man of Sorrows
10. The Red and the Black
11. Shadows of the Valley

Except for Shadows and parts of Red/Black there is really no weak track on this album.  :tup
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Post by: Zydar on September 04, 2015, 12:12:42 AM
It's way too early for me to rank them, I need many more spins to do that.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 04, 2015, 04:17:51 AM
It's way too early for me to rank them, I need many more spins to do that.

Even after many listens I don't think I can rank the songs, there's so much to digest here.
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Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 04, 2015, 05:41:18 AM
How do you spoil an album?
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Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2015, 06:18:39 AM
How do you spoil an album?

Yeah, I'm with you.  I'm buying my copy tomorrow and have been reading this thread all week.  I'm pretty sure I don't know what I'm going to hear based on comments here haha.
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Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2015, 06:37:58 AM
The price difference here in Australia seems to be quite absurb between the editions.  $19.95 for the standard and $32.99 for the deluxe.  Considering it seems to be pretty much the same production, this is nuts.  Can any Aussies confirm, did anyone go and get it today?
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Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 04, 2015, 06:46:36 AM
How do you spoil an album?

Yeah, I'm with you.  I'm buying my copy tomorrow and have been reading this thread all week.  I'm pretty sure I don't know what I'm going to hear based on comments here haha.

I would get it if it were a concept album with plot points... but how does hearing about an album spoil it?
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Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2015, 06:57:52 AM
How do you spoil an album?

Yeah, I'm with you.  I'm buying my copy tomorrow and have been reading this thread all week.  I'm pretty sure I don't know what I'm going to hear based on comments here haha.

I would get it if it were a concept album with plot points... but how does hearing about an album spoil it?

i don't know.  If anything I love reading all this stuff before hearing up, builds up the anticipation.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 04, 2015, 07:00:29 AM
How do you spoil an album?

Yeah, I'm with you.  I'm buying my copy tomorrow and have been reading this thread all week.  I'm pretty sure I don't know what I'm going to hear based on comments here haha.

I would get it if it were a concept album with plot points... but how does hearing about an album spoil it?

That's what I was wondering too some pages ago. I had hoped that those who feared spoilers in the original thread would explain what there is to spoil.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 04, 2015, 07:31:02 AM
I guess if we all that the album sucked then in a way it could spoil it since it may turn people off from buying the album.... but that is not the case.
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Post by: goo-goo on September 04, 2015, 07:51:19 AM
So the main difference between the regular edition and the deluxe edition is the artwork? Does anybody know if the booklet from the regular edition is the same as the deluxe?

I'm picking this up shortly and I was thinking about getting both versions but I don't think I'm going to that...
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 04, 2015, 07:59:07 AM
On my second listen in. What a fucking amazing album!!!!!  :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: Phoenix87x on September 04, 2015, 08:00:07 AM
First listen done

So far so good. Will reserve formal judgement upon further listens
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Post by: devieira73 on September 04, 2015, 08:05:52 AM
Just a quick question: does anyone here knows if the artwork of the regular edition is the same of the deluxe edition? I'm wondering if the only difference is the size of the pages. Thanks!
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 04, 2015, 09:35:26 AM
I only have the deluxe version, so I can only guess that the pages are bigger and perhaps there´s an extra illustration, but I really don´t know.
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Post by: Riitasointi on September 04, 2015, 10:05:50 AM
Been listening to the album for a week now (yeah, I downloaded the leak and YES I bought the album today) and I must say, it actually is good. Better than TFF. Much better.

The sound is still not perfect, especially when it comes to the drums, but it's okay I guess. Some sloppy playing is still to be found as well but overall I think it's slightly tighter a performance compared to TFF. What makes this album good is, of course, the songwriting and Bruce's performance.

I will probably write a full review of sorts later but here's where I stand at the moment:

God Tier

Good
When The River Runs Deep
The Man Of Sorrows
The Great Unknown

Just Average
Shadows Of The Valley
Death Or Glory
Speed Of Light
Tears Of A Clown
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Post by: theseoafs on September 04, 2015, 10:06:34 AM
Just starting my first listen at work now.  Things are off to a good start with If Eternity Should Fail.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 04, 2015, 10:25:09 AM
God Tier
  • The Red And The Black - just love that instrumental section with solos and trademark Harris guitar melodies all over. It's golden.

Yes! Someone else on this forum who thinks this may be the best on the album.  This song is such a beast!  :metal[/list]
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Post by: Lowdz on September 04, 2015, 11:23:42 AM
BoS has arrived chez Lowdz. Now to listen to this bad boy.
Nice package as the actress said to the bishop.
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Post by: amagr on September 04, 2015, 11:52:24 AM
Am i the only one who think that productions sucks? :S
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Post by: Scorpion on September 04, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
I've never been one to get hung up on production, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I dig how it sounds. I find that the sound really fits the album.

Anyway, after my first listen, tentative favourites are If Eternity Should Fail, The Book of Souls, Tears of a Clown, Man of Sorrows and Empire of the Clouds. The Great Unknown and When the River Runs Deep were pretty forgettable on first listen, but not bad, and the rest ranges from good to great. In short: positive first impression - just starting my second listen now. :metal
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 04, 2015, 11:59:05 AM
Am i the only one who think that productions sucks? :S

It sounds like most post-2000 Maiden albums, I think, which is kind of good but not amazing.

They still have this 90s/80s metal vibe going on with their sound, which I don't think is a bad thing; but on the other hand we're used to such perfect, tight and crisp modern metal productions that Maiden can sound old fashioned when compared.
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Post by: amagr on September 04, 2015, 12:00:29 PM
Am i the only one who think that productions sucks? :S

It sounds like most post-2000 Maiden albums, I think, which is kind of good but not amazing.

They still have this 90s/80s metal vibe going on with their sound, which I don't think is a bad thing; but on the other hand we're used to such perfect, tight and crisp modern metal productions that Maiden can sound old fashioned when compared.
If you compare it to BNW its totally different, BNW has crystal clear drum sound and much better guitars.
But i have to say that deluxe edition cd is has awesemore artworks!
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Post by: cramx3 on September 04, 2015, 12:04:12 PM
BNW is their peak of sound IMO.  I wouldn't say the production sucks at all, but its on par with the last two albums, nothing great, but not bad.
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Post by: Lowdz on September 04, 2015, 12:16:59 PM
Am i the only one who think that productions sucks? :S

It sounds like most post-2000 Maiden albums, I think, which is kind of good but not amazing.

They still have this 90s/80s metal vibe going on with their sound, which I don't think is a bad thing; but on the other hand we're used to such perfect, tight and crisp modern metal productions that Maiden can sound old fashioned when compared.

It's not awful sounding but maiden have never had great sounding albums. This 'live' sound is just laziness. What I do like on first spin is the use of acoustic guitars at times. My pet hate is when bands use electrics to sound like acoustics. I know that the epic epic has piano too but not got there yet.
Maiden albums have sounded samey for a long time so a bit of variety helps especially on long albums.
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Post by: devieira73 on September 04, 2015, 01:03:14 PM
I'm trying to guess who made the solos on this record. Below, these are my best bets:

1.    If eternity should fail - At the end, Smith with Bruce singing
2.    Speed of light - Murray/Smith
3.   The great unknown - Gers + Smith/Murray
4.   The red and the black - Murray/Gers + Smith
5.   When the river runs deep - Murray/Gers + Smith
6.   The book of souls - Murray + Gers/Smith
7.   Death or glory - Murray/Smith
8.   Shadown of the valley - Murray + Smith + Gers
9.   Tears of the clown - Smith/Murray
10.   The man of sorrows - Murray + Smith (by the way, a song with a very Fates Warning vibe!)
11.   Empire of the clouds - Murray + Smith

When "/" appears, it means the solos are in immediate sequence. When "+" appears, it means the solos are separated from each other.

Score: Smith - 11; Murray - 10 e Gers - 5.

Favorite solo: To my surprise, Gers in The great unknown. In fact, I think that it's so good, that I'm really uncertain if it is not from Smith! ;D
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Post by: TAC on September 04, 2015, 01:47:48 PM
This 'live' sound is just laziness.

Paul, I don't know if I agree with that. Steve Harris is the last guy I would characterize as "lazy". I just think he likes what he likes.
What he has carved out, however, is a signature sound for his band.

I sure as hell don't agree with his idea of DVD editing, that's for damn sure.
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Post by: Lowdz on September 04, 2015, 02:01:52 PM
This 'live' sound is just laziness.

Paul, I don't know if I agree with that. Steve Harris is the last guy I would characterize as "lazy". I just think he likes what he likes.
What he has carved out, however, is a signature sound for his band.

I sure as hell don't agree with his idea of DVD editing, that's for damn sure.

Laziness is probably the wrong word but he doesn't seem to want to spend the time presenting the music the best it could be. I'm sure I've heard that he doesn't enjoy being in the studio, maybe that's it. Let's get it done and get on the road.
And yeah, the DVDs are seizure inducing.
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Post by: Frosthawk on September 04, 2015, 02:03:37 PM
I don't think it's been talked about a whole lot, but I'm hearing a lot of things that are unique for Maiden with Man of Sorrows in particular. Everything from little stylistic inflections and even melodic progressions (the song begins in C minor which I don't know if I've heard Maiden do at all before) are things I wouldn't expect from them. It's cool!
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Post by: Lowdz on September 04, 2015, 02:06:50 PM
I should say I've enjoyed the first play through. Some songs stood out more than others and some of it was quite familiar. Empire of the clouds was pretty fucking awesome, loved the piano and orchestration. This is how maiden should sound.
There's nothing to rival the 80s hits in terms of immediacy.
And the wasted years quote, that must be intentional, right?
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Post by: Anguyen92 on September 04, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
Man, I did not think that any album, released this year, would be more enjoyable to me than Mark Tremonti's Cauterize album, but somehow, this album did it. It felt one of those albums that Iron Maiden really played well to their strengths and deliver a tremendous album. I felt like there was no song that I felt I did not like. It's still a lot to take in and a lot of re-listening though to really get a solid vibe of the song.

Here are my favorites so far. Will be ever-changing of course.

If Eternity Should Fail. The Red and the Black, When the River Runs Deep, Tears of a Clown, and Empire of the Clouds.
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Post by: TAC on September 04, 2015, 02:38:42 PM
And the wasted years quote, that must be intentional, right?

Frankly I think this intro is completely unnecessary and ridiculous. I don't think Steve is lazy but I do think he's stubborn as hell.
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Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2015, 03:34:34 PM
This 'live' sound is just laziness.

Paul, I don't know if I agree with that. Steve Harris is the last guy I would characterize as "lazy". I just think he likes what he likes.
What he has carved out, however, is a signature sound for his band.

I sure as hell don't agree with his idea of DVD editing, that's for damn sure.

I would.  Since DOD I would definitely call the production jobs lazy.  Steve can't fucking hear, people should let him have the final say on how an album should sound.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: theseoafs on September 04, 2015, 03:36:44 PM
I'm a little lukewarm on it right now.  It's a long album, but the question with double albums is always whether the material warrants the greater length.  I'm not yet 100% convinced that's the case -- in particular, a lot of the stuff on the second disc, with the exception of the closer, didn't really resonate with me.  We'll see how it grows on me over time though (and all IM albums always do). 
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: jammindude on September 04, 2015, 03:44:30 PM
On my first listen as we speak.   Really liked Eternity...listening to Speed of Light for about the 5th time right now and it just keeps getting better.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
I'm a little lukewarm on it right now.  It's a long album, but the question with double albums is always whether the material warrants the greater length.  I'm not yet 100% convinced that's the case -- in particular, a lot of the stuff on the second disc, with the exception of the closer, didn't really resonate with me.  We'll see how it grows on me over time though (and all IM albums always do).

That is reasonable and I can't disagree. I'm more than lukewarm on it though. In its totality, this is a pretty solid album.


   Steve can't fucking hear, 
:lol
Do you think that's it? You might be right.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: wolfking on September 04, 2015, 05:00:05 PM
Yeah, I think so.  I can't find anything through google but he's said before his hears are totally muffled from all the years of playing live without plugs.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: ozzy554 on September 04, 2015, 07:00:41 PM
I love this album :metal

My favorite track would have to be Empire of the clouds. I have listened to it multiple times.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 04, 2015, 08:31:17 PM
So my DTF account was suspended just because I said "the album has leaked" on this topic. I didn't post a link or anything, I just posted this bit of information. Ridiculous attitude by the moderator(s). I don't know the proper channels to address this, but although I enjoy this forum, I've had enough. You night as well cancel my account. Bye!!!
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: theseoafs on September 04, 2015, 11:21:20 PM
see you later
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: cramx3 on September 05, 2015, 03:06:54 AM
That doesn't seem right considering Bosk's response to the leak in this thread. Oh well.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: cramx3 on September 05, 2015, 03:07:45 AM
Empire of the Clouds really feels wayyyy shorter than 18 minutes, a sign of a great song.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: gazinwales on September 05, 2015, 03:18:28 AM
An interesting take on the IM catalogue
http://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-15-13/
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Scorpion on September 05, 2015, 03:57:39 AM
Definitely agree. Empire of the Clouds is amazing and feels like a 9-minute-song at most. Amazing vocal performance by Bruce too.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Mister Gold on September 05, 2015, 08:19:01 AM
Definitely agree. Empire of the Clouds is amazing and feels like a 9-minute-song at most. Amazing vocal performance by Bruce too.

Indeed. It's a great contrast from The Red and the Black, which just feels incredibly rushed and scatterbrained from Steve.

Plus, the nod to The Legacy in Empire is flat-out awesome.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 05, 2015, 10:30:48 AM
Am i the only one who think that productions sucks? :S

It sounds like most post-2000 Maiden albums, I think, which is kind of good but not amazing.

They still have this 90s/80s metal vibe going on with their sound, which I don't think is a bad thing; but on the other hand we're used to such perfect, tight and crisp modern metal productions that Maiden can sound old fashioned when compared.
If you compare it to BNW its totally different, BNW has crystal clear drum sound and much better guitars.
But i have to say that deluxe edition cd is has awesemore artworks!

Agreed! Brave New World is the peak of their sound production, hence the post-2000 thing  :D
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Zydar on September 05, 2015, 10:32:15 AM
I can not get enough of this album. Empire Of The Clouds is one of their best songs in a very long time, I get chills when I hear it.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: NotePad on September 05, 2015, 10:53:08 AM
I haven't heard the album yet, is it more like BNW or AMOLAD in terms of production? Allow me to elaborate: polished like BNW, or raw like AMOLAD?
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: jammindude on September 05, 2015, 11:11:23 AM
 I would say raw, but in a good way. I personally think a matter of life and death is the greatest reunion album by a longshot! But this one is giving it a run for it's money.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 05, 2015, 12:10:31 PM
it's definitely more in the raw side
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Vahvahenki on September 05, 2015, 12:30:31 PM
After one listen I can only say that this will definitely surpass TFF but apart from that, it's too early to say. Something I did manage to do was make some alternate front covers using the illiustrations from the booklet. I might just use these for my digital library as the regular cover is about as boring as watching paint fall from an apple.

(http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i374/WhatABoringName/book_of_souls_alternate.jpg)          (http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i374/WhatABoringName/book_of_souls_alternate2.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 05, 2015, 12:32:08 PM
The first one is amazing.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Zydar on September 05, 2015, 12:34:36 PM
Wow, great job!
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 05, 2015, 01:45:27 PM
Those album arts are awesome. I've been using the this one:

(http://www.grande-rock.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large/imagesnews/ironmaiden-thebookofsouls-cover-2015.jpg)

But I might actually use one of yours as they are very sweet. The plain black back ground does nothing for me.


but despite anything, the music is excellent  :metal
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: jjrock88 on September 05, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
All those covers are great!!

Loving this album big time.

If Eternity Should Fail just might be my favorite track right now from the disc.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: 425 on September 05, 2015, 01:51:41 PM
An interesting take on the IM catalogue
http://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-15-13/

"#13 The Final Frontier"

Lol no
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 05, 2015, 01:51:57 PM
As some of you may or may not know, I only just got into IM about 3 weeks ago. I bought the first 7 albums and love all of them to death. I intend on listening to the whole discography in order. However, I just bought TBoS solely because I wanted to experience a new release with everyone else.

I just finished my first listen, and what an album! The title track is one of the best things I've heard from them yet! If Eternity Should Fail and Empire of the Clouds are amazing as well, but this one requires multiple listens for sure! Cheers everybody!
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: jjrock88 on September 05, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
There is a lot to digest on this one
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2015, 02:17:37 PM
I'm glad everyone is liking IESF. Other than the beginning, I personally feel it's one of the weaker tracks.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
An interesting take on the IM catalogue
http://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-15-13/
I'll read it in full when I get home, but he's got a pretty good write up for FOTD.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Zydar on September 05, 2015, 02:33:40 PM
I'm with you TAC. It is good but not among my favourites.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: Mladen on September 05, 2015, 02:52:53 PM
The bottom two are the only acceptable bottom two. Although I would reverse the order.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Scorpion on September 05, 2015, 03:14:32 PM
Not sure how stuff would rank, but at the moment, my Top 3 are Empire of the Clouds (clear first!), The Book of Souls and The Man of Sorrows.
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: Mister Gold on September 05, 2015, 03:16:30 PM
Not sure how stuff would rank, but at the moment, my Top 3 are Empire of the Clouds (clear first!), The Book of Souls and The Man of Sorrows.

I pretty much agree. I'm also really fond of If Eternity Should Fail though. :metal
Title: Re: Iron Maiden--The Book of Souls: ALL album-related discussion goes here--SPOILERS
Post by: nobloodyname on September 05, 2015, 04:02:49 PM
I only had time to listen to the first five tracks last week. And then I thought I'd wait for the official release. Amazon screwed up and didn't deliver yesterday but the vinyl and CD both arrived today. As I type, I am finally listening to Empire of the Clouds for the first time (I've just listened to the other five tracks for the first time - Book of Souls was a little disappointing at first blush) - at six minutes down, this is marvellous. My goodness. Maiden breaking new ground after all this time. Wonderful.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: nobloodyname on September 05, 2015, 04:21:41 PM
An interesting take on the IM catalogue
http://www.angrymetalguy.com/iron-maiden-from-worst-to-best-15-13/

"#13 The Final Frontier"

Lol no

Why "lol no"? It's one person's opinion.

A Matter of Life and Death would probably be bottom of the rankings for me but I wouldn't 'lol no' at anyone choosing to put it first.
Title: Re: The Iron Maiden thread for discussion NOT relating to The Book of Souls
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2015, 05:04:57 PM
A Matter of Life and Death would probably be bottom of the rankings for me

lol no  ;D
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