I am really not a fan of DT12, so I remain sceptical about a new album. But of course, I am still curius and am hoping for them to make something great, because we all know that they can.
DT12 was okay, but I hope they think outside the box with this one.
^ It has done the exact opposite for me. I liked it when it first came out, but for everytime I hear a song from it I like it less and less.That's how BC&SL hit me. I liked it at first, but now, I like Wither and TSF, and the rest can go hang.
^ It has done the exact opposite for me. I liked it when it first came out, but for everytime I hear a song from it I like it less and less.That's how BC&SL hit me. I liked it at first, but now, I like Wither and TSF, and the rest can go hang.
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.I would like that. I think it's time for this type of album.
As in DT12 wasn't heavy enough? We had so much heavy since Systematic Chaos, I'd much rather have a FII type of album.Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.I would like that. I think it's time for this type of album.
Just please don't call it 13, XIII or some bullshit like that. :lol
So I guess the real question; is it be gonna something and something. Something from something else, or something of this other something. Ya know, we haven't had something into something for a while.
What about "Something from Nothing"? You heard it here first.
Yeah. I also don't think James has the delivery of really heavy stuff.
I am kinda partial to th1rt3en myself.Oh, the horror! In that case, I'll insist on calling it thonertthreeen...eh, like calling Scre4m, Scre-four-em.
What about "Something from Nothing"? You heard it here first.Sounds like debate night on religion.
Yeah. I also don't think James has the delivery of really heavy stuff.
But he can do Awake vocals again. So more of that Mirror/Lie/Scarred/CIAW sound again, please? ;)
Yeah, the studio videos from DT12 were pretty generic and gave us really nothing, except a chocolate cake joke. And then there are bands like Periphery, who's studio updates are really hilarious and informative at the same time, with some teasers of new stuff. I hope they do something more in that vein.
How many unique studio albums has Metallica put out in the past oh... 23 years, in comparison to Dream Theater?
Yeah, the studio videos from DT12 were pretty generic and gave us really nothing, except a chocolate cake joke. And then there are bands like Periphery, who's studio updates are really hilarious and informative at the same time, with some teasers of new stuff. I hope they do something more in that vein.
I don't want anything leading up to the release bar a few pics. I want a 90 minute making of DVD *with* the album.
It literally seems like yesterday DT12 came out.
How many unique studio albums has Metallica put out in the past oh... 23 years, in comparison to Dream Theater?
Metallica - 1991
Load - 1995
Reload - 1996
St. Anger - 2003
Death Magnetic - 2008
Well, yeah, but the good thing about Metallica's post-'90s output is...um...well, you see, it's...lemme get back to you. :justjen
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I just hope for a focus on strong melodies - it worked for them last time around! I don't care if it's a concept album or not, I just want some kickass prog and I know that if anyone's gonna deliver, it'll be DT.
As in DT12 wasn't heavy enough?Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.I would like that. I think it's time for this type of album.
I'm really not sure why people always clamor for DT to make concept albums. They made one, and the concept was easily the weakest part of the album.
While a concept album is of course possible, I can't imagine them doing something as intricate as Octavarium again without MP.8 + 5 = 13... OC2VARIUM
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I just hope for a focus on strong melodies - it worked for them last time around! I don't care if it's a concept album or not, I just want some kickass prog and I know that if anyone's gonna deliver, it'll be DT.
Actually...now that you mention it, their 5th album was a narrative concept album while their 8th was a musically-based thematic concept (octaves, roots, rising keys along the F-minor scale, using negative-tracked sound for the non-key notes, etc. etc.). So maybe....JUST MAYBE... their 13th album will be a sort of concept album?!? Hmmmm....
-Marc.
And dear GOD - you have to nail the production this time.Fo shizzle. I'm always confident that the music will at least be solid, but the sound needs to be so much better.
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.
I don't. They have had plenty of heavy over the last several albums.Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.I would like that. I think it's time for this type of album.
I don't. They have had plenty of heavy over the last several albums.Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.I would like that. I think it's time for this type of album.
DT:
- 1 album on the arse end the 80s
- 4 albums in the 90s
- 5 albums in the 00s
- 3 at least this decade. With the potential for 4 or 5 if they continue the way they are.
DT are consistent, you gotta give 'em that. Easy to take for granted.
As far as production is concerned, I thought DT12 was pretty damn awesome. :metal
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.
This! Me too man. I never listen to ADTOE or DT12, so I really want something more on the heavy side. I wasn't interested at all in see the DT 12 tour, but a heavy new CD will chage that on the next tour.
To me, there's one heck of a difference between 'hard' and 'heavy'. I feel that DT makes mostly 'hard' music, with real 'heaviness' being more rare.
The heavy stuff would be more like The Glass Prison and The Dark Eternal Night, whereas the hard stuff would be more like The Root Of All Evil or even Behind The Veil. Would you agree with that comparison? Just want to see if we are on the same page.
I would like a more organic sound to the next album.
I would also like JLB to not force anymore of those high vocals. That stuff on DT12 all sounds so incredibly unnatural. I would be fine if he just kept to lower melodies for the most part.
Hope I can put this into the right words. I am hoping for something more emotionally dark. Lyrically, the last few albums have been about the answers to the problems in life. I would appreciate a return to songs that lyrically (and musically) relay the pain of being IN the problem.
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I just hope for a focus on strong melodies - it worked for them last time around! I don't care if it's a concept album or not, I just want some kickass prog and I know that if anyone's gonna deliver, it'll be DT.
8 + 5 = 13... OC2VARIUMOc2varium Part 2: Scenes From A Memory
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I just hope for a focus on strong melodies - it worked for them last time around! I don't care if it's a concept album or not, I just want some kickass prog and I know that if anyone's gonna deliver, it'll be DT.
8 + 5 = 13... OC2VARIUMOc2varium Part 2: Scenes From A Memory
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I just hope for a focus on strong melodies - it worked for them last time around! I don't care if it's a concept album or not, I just want some kickass prog and I know that if anyone's gonna deliver, it'll be DT.
Holy crap, that has 13 syllables!!!
-Marc.
I would like a more organic sound to the next album.
I don't want anymore over the top vocal effects like every song on DT12.
More moment from JLB like the "Mothers for the Children" section from Illumination Theory.
I am interested to know why you think thisMe too. One of James LaBrie's signature assets is high singing, and although it's obviously not what it was in the 90s it still infuses with power certain songs, like Illumination Theory. Imagine that section an octave lower *shrugs*.
Definitely more of James's high voice.I am interested to know why you think thisMe too. One of James LaBrie's signature assets is high singing, and although it's obviously not what it was in the 90s it still infuses with power certain songs, like Illumination Theory. Imagine that section an octave lower *shrugs*.
I am interested to know why you think this
Imagine that section an octave lower *shrugs*.
I am interested to know why you think this
I think that because his voice isn't as good as it used to be. Which is fine, as I have said before, as long as they don't force those high notes on him which I feel like they did on DT12 (specifically IT). In those cases I find a bit embarrasing to listen to him, since I don't think it's good.
If only they got Kevin Shirley to mix the album...
I'd love a double album in the vein of Six Degrees meets Greatest Hit meets In Your Honor by Foo Fighters.This would be cool. Although I'd like more experimental/dynamic softer songs like Disappear and Surrounded. Or even The Bigger Picture. I don't like their straightforward ballads enough to be engaged for an entire disc.
An experimental, heavy, progressive Disc One, chock full of long songs, metal songs, strange songs...
And a lighter Disc Two with songs like The Silent Man, Solitary Shell, Beneath the Surface, Far From Heaven, etc...
That would tickle so many fancies of mine.
I am interested to know why you think this
I think that because his voice isn't as good as it used to be. Which is fine, as I have said before, as long as they don't force those high notes on him which I feel like they did on DT12 (specifically IT). In those cases I find a bit embarrasing to listen to him, since I don't think it's good.
I'm somewhat inclined to agree. Personally, I don't think that part in IT sounds any better than clean, natural singing does, and I think he sounds best when he just naturally sings melodies that are in his range. I never really got all the excitement about that part, really. It was somewhat impressive to hear him go that high after all these years, but I really don't need to hear anything like that again on the next album. I would rather hear something more like an ADTOE vocal performance where he never really goes for anything crazy (BMUBMD, but that's a backing part) but sounds consistently good.
More moment from JLB like the "Mothers for the Children" section from Illumination Theory.
That section embodies everything I personally would like JLB to avoid on the next album.
FII-style album could be great but maybe a little more metal and experimental style.
A cool idea would be if they rummaged the cutting floor a bit, and maybe flesh out ideas that were canned during writing of other albums. That way they could have a cool mix of "modern DT takes on old, but unheard, DT material".
I am hoping for something more emotionally dark. Lyrically, the last few albums have been about the answers to the problems in life. I would appreciate a return to songs that lyrically (and musically) relay the pain of being IN the problem.
I'm torn, I hope they go back to heavy roots with this one, I loved train of thought, but I also love the mellow stuff like vacant, far from heaven, this is the life, wait for sleep, etc
I'd love a double album in the vein of Six Degrees meets Greatest Hit meets In Your Honor by Foo Fighters.
An experimental, heavy, progressive Disc One, chock full of long songs, metal songs, strange songs...
And a lighter Disc Two with songs like The Silent Man, Solitary Shell, Beneath the Surface, Far From Heaven, etc...
A concept album about this guy who invests his whole life into the thing he loves, and it completely consumes him. But, over the years he realizes that he had lost his soul on the way, that he had just been treading water. So, he seeks to find that love, that spark, again. Eventually he realizes that he can no longer get it back.
And then he wants a hiatus but gets kicked out of the band.
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.I would like that. I think it's time for this type of album.
A Creed cover released as a bonus.
I predict:
A song about how the media uses all the tragedies and bat shit craziness around the world to keep us all on edge and drive up TV ratings.
A song about kids getting older/parenthood.
A song about dreams not realized.
An instrumental that has a section that is more in line with the "Easter Egg"
Why Green Day and not DT? :lol
They do have children growing up?
A concept album about this guy who invests his whole life into the thing he loves, and it completely consumes him. But, over the years he realizes that he had lost his soul on the way, that he had just been treading water. So, he seeks to find that love, that spark, again. Eventually he realizes that he can no longer get it back.
And then he wants a hiatus but gets kicked out of the band.
I hope for an album without the obligatory 'humoristic' JR-circus-music-solo.
I hope for an album without the obligatory 'humoristic' JR-circus-music-solo.
Which he actually hardly does.
They sorely need the JR factor back. He's taken a backseat for far too long.
I agree that we need more JR, but I think he had a much more prominent role on ADToE than usual. I was hoping that it would show an increasing tendency on DT12, now I hope that'll happen on DT13.I hope for an album without the obligatory 'humoristic' JR-circus-music-solo.
Which he actually hardly does.
They sorely need the JR factor back. He's taken a backseat for far too long.
I'd like to see an album that is more like Derek Sherinian's latest works with some guest musicians like Al Di Meola. Also, I want an album with ZERO ballads. I'd like to see an album that is all jazz fusion acid rock marijuana tinged Crimson-type prog with less singing and more instrumentals. Perhaps the album could start off with a huge bong hit leading into a melt your face jam. Enough with the schmaltzy ballads and definitely no songs about their families or kids. As far as the mixing of the album, I'd like to hear a less compressed album with more headroom. I simply don't understand the sound engineer's desire to max out the sound to the point of oversaturation and clipping. Let's hear something a bit more organic for a change.I don't think DT is the band for you.
I'd like to see an album that is more like Derek Sherinian's latest works with some guest musicians like Al Di Meola. Also, I want an album with ZERO ballads. I'd like to see an album that is all jazz fusion acid rock marijuana tinged Crimson-type prog with less singing and more instrumentals. Perhaps the album could start off with a huge bong hit leading into a melt your face jam. Enough with the schmaltzy ballads and definitely no songs about their families or kids. As far as the mixing of the album, I'd like to hear a less compressed album with more headroom. I simply don't understand the sound engineer's desire to max out the sound to the point of oversaturation and clipping. Let's hear something a bit more organic for a change.
Why is that??? Think Liquid Tension. Perhaps the word jazz is off putting for you, but it shouldn't be. I'm not talking about Glenn Miller for god sake. I guess you've never heard Al Di Meola's Dinner Music for the Gods. Check it out on Youtube. This is the stuff that has made John Petrucci who he is. I guess you forgot that they DID tour with Steve Morse back in 1999/2000 and Yes and the Crimson Project. Can't we get a true musician's prog album for a change instead of trying to be all things to all people. They certainly have the musical ability to expand their horizons quite a bit. They don't need to do the ballad metal thing on every album and they did dabble with a bit of Crimson on 6DOIT. As far as I'm concerned Derek's albums have been a lot more interesting than the last five DT albums. I listen to all forms of music and I'm sure they do too. Al Di Meola and Mahavishnu is not that far of a departure from what they do. I'd like to hear a bit more of that influence and a bit more maturity musically-wise in the songs they do. Their songs have become too formulaic. I know exactly where they are going before they ever get there.. Dream Theater shouldn't be following the AC/DC format of not straying from their box. They have more talent than that and they don't need to imitate Symphony X or try to attract 16 year old boys. Let's hear an album that caters to the musicians out there for a change. That is the reason why I came to them in the first place. I'll say it again NO BALLADS.I'd like to see an album that is more like Derek Sherinian's latest works with some guest musicians like Al Di Meola. Also, I want an album with ZERO ballads. I'd like to see an album that is all jazz fusion acid rock marijuana tinged Crimson-type prog with less singing and more instrumentals. Perhaps the album could start off with a huge bong hit leading into a melt your face jam. Enough with the schmaltzy ballads and definitely no songs about their families or kids. As far as the mixing of the album, I'd like to hear a less compressed album with more headroom. I simply don't understand the sound engineer's desire to max out the sound to the point of oversaturation and clipping. Let's hear something a bit more organic for a change.I don't think DT is the band for you.
Why is that??? Think Liquid Tension. I guess you've never heard Al Di Meola's Dinner Music for the Gods. Check it out on Youtube. This is the stuff that has made John Petrucci who he is. I guess you forgot that they DID tour with Steve Morse back in 1999/2000 and Yes and the Crimson Project. Can't we get a true musician's prog album for a change instead of trying to be all things to all people. They certainly have the musical ability to expand their horizons quite a bit. They don't need to do the ballad metal thing on every album and they did dabble with a bit of Crimson on 6DOIT. As far as I'm concerned Derek's albums have been a lot more interesting than the last five DT albums. I listen to all forms of music and I'm sure they do too. Al Di Meola and Mahavishnu is not that far of a departure from what they do. I'd like to hear a bit more of that influence and a bit more maturity musically-wise in the songs they do. Their songs have become too formulaic. I know exactly where they are going before they ever get there.. Dream Theater shouldn't be following the AC/DC format of not straying from their box. They have more talent than that and they don't need to imitate Symphony X or try to attract 16 year old boys. Frankly, my idea is a hell of a lot more interesting than many on this board. Why the hell would anybody want to hear about their family and their problems? I have enough of my own. Let's hear an album that caters to the musicians out there for a change. That is the reason why I came to them in the first place. I'll say it again NO BALLADS.I'd like to see an album that is more like Derek Sherinian's latest works with some guest musicians like Al Di Meola. Also, I want an album with ZERO ballads. I'd like to see an album that is all jazz fusion acid rock marijuana tinged Crimson-type prog with less singing and more instrumentals. Perhaps the album could start off with a huge bong hit leading into a melt your face jam. Enough with the schmaltzy ballads and definitely no songs about their families or kids. As far as the mixing of the album, I'd like to hear a less compressed album with more headroom. I simply don't understand the sound engineer's desire to max out the sound to the point of oversaturation and clipping. Let's hear something a bit more organic for a change.I don't think DT is the band for you.
Self-absorbed? This is just what I'd like to hear just as all of the other posts on here. They could do whatever the fuck they want. It is THEIR career not mine. This is just what I'd like to hear from them, not my demand. It's my wish list. I'd think they have more potential than you give them credit for. This only my opinion. If you don't like it, that's fine.Why is that??? Think Liquid Tension. I guess you've never heard Al Di Meola's Dinner Music for the Gods. Check it out on Youtube. This is the stuff that has made John Petrucci who he is. I guess you forgot that they DID tour with Steve Morse back in 1999/2000 and Yes and the Crimson Project. Can't we get a true musician's prog album for a change instead of trying to be all things to all people. They certainly have the musical ability to expand their horizons quite a bit. They don't need to do the ballad metal thing on every album and they did dabble with a bit of Crimson on 6DOIT. As far as I'm concerned Derek's albums have been a lot more interesting than the last five DT albums. I listen to all forms of music and I'm sure they do too. Al Di Meola and Mahavishnu is not that far of a departure from what they do. I'd like to hear a bit more of that influence and a bit more maturity musically-wise in the songs they do. Their songs have become too formulaic. I know exactly where they are going before they ever get there.. Dream Theater shouldn't be following the AC/DC format of not straying from their box. They have more talent than that and they don't need to imitate Symphony X or try to attract 16 year old boys. Frankly, my idea is a hell of a lot more interesting than many on this board. Why the hell would anybody want to hear about their family and their problems? I have enough of my own. Let's hear an album that caters to the musicians out there for a change. That is the reason why I came to them in the first place. I'll say it again NO BALLADS.I'd like to see an album that is more like Derek Sherinian's latest works with some guest musicians like Al Di Meola. Also, I want an album with ZERO ballads. I'd like to see an album that is all jazz fusion acid rock marijuana tinged Crimson-type prog with less singing and more instrumentals. Perhaps the album could start off with a huge bong hit leading into a melt your face jam. Enough with the schmaltzy ballads and definitely no songs about their families or kids. As far as the mixing of the album, I'd like to hear a less compressed album with more headroom. I simply don't understand the sound engineer's desire to max out the sound to the point of oversaturation and clipping. Let's hear something a bit more organic for a change.I don't think DT is the band for you.
Wow, self-absorbed much? Your entire post comes across as "Who cares what DT want to do, they should make music how I want them to", which, frankly, seems ridiculous.
I think your off based bluehaze1933. I say this because most bands so stray from they certain style they have. I'd love for them to infuse some of what you said but for the most part, they won't stray that far.I do understand what you are saying and they most likely won't, but I really don't understand why they can't. They don't rely on the commercial market for their success. They have the musicianship. They have the influences. They have the space to do it. Why can't they infuse a bit more of those influences into their music? If the Beatles could change from bubble gum pop to a more mature semi prog band, why can't Dream Theater get away from the ballad metal theme for an album or two? I think their fans would be accepting.
It's what they like to be honest. Most don't stray from the comfortable. Rudess/ Morgensteen; Rudess/Petrucci/Liquid Tension/ doing cover of favorite albums/ there is precedent for doing something else
Why is that??? Think Liquid Tension.I love LTE, but it is (and should be) different than DT, although that experience definitely would be influential in the way that DT wrote and recorded their music. Although it didn't really change the actual music that they wrote, which is a key here.
Perhaps the word jazz is off putting for you, but it shouldn't be.Nope, I like jazz.
I'm not talking about Glenn Miller for god sake.I like Glenn Miller.
I guess you've never heard Al Di Meola's Dinner Music for the Gods. Check it out on Youtube.Condescend much? I love Di Meola.
This is the stuff that has made John Petrucci who he is.Well, that is PART of what made him who he is.
I guess you forgot that they DID tour with Steve Morse back in 1999/2000 and Yes and the Crimson Project.I guess you do condescend much. I remember all of that, thanks. But all of those bands do different music than DT does.
Can't we get a true musician's prog album for a change instead of trying to be all things to all people. They certainly have the musical ability to expand their horizons quite a bit. They don't need to do the ballad metal thing on every album and they did dabble with a bit of Crimson on 6DOIT.What we get on every album is the album they wanted to make.
As far as I'm concerned Derek's albums have been a lot more interesting than the last five DT albums.OK. Nothing wrong with that opinion.
I listen to all forms of music and I'm sure they do too. Al Di Meola and Mahavishnu is not that far of a departure from what they do.I don't know. I think that especially compositionally, it's quite a bit different.
I'd like to hear a bit more of that influence and a bit more maturity musically-wise in the songs they do. Their songs have become too formulaic. I know exactly where they are going before they ever get there.. Dream Theater shouldn't be following the AC/DC format of not straying from their box.It's obvious that you don't care for the direction they have gone in. That is why I suggested that perhaps this isn't the band for you, given what you would like them to do (which they won't do).
They have more talent than that and they don't need to imitate Symphony X or try to attract 16 year old boys.I don't think they are doing either of those things.
Let's hear an album that caters to the musicians out there for a change. That is the reason why I came to them in the first place.Not catering to YOUR particular musical tastes doesn't mean they don't cater to musicians.
I'll say it again NO BALLADS.Good luck with that. They obviously like writing ballads. They even included a ballad on their straight-up metal album (IMO, it was the best song on the album).
Fair comments...sorry if I sounded condescending on a couple of comments, but they were meant to show that they could be a bit more varied in their sound then they currently are given the variety of bands they've toured with. I know they have a "sound' all their own but does one really want a Dream Theater album to be just iterations of all of their last albums? To me, that is a formula for getting stale not in progressing. As far as sounding like other bands, you have to admit they definitely went for a semi-Rush sound on the last album and False Awakening was definitely a nod to Symphony X. I guess I just expect a bit more than what I've heard recently given their immense talent. It's not a slam on the band to want their talent to stand out more. It's actually a compliment to their abilities. By the way, I like Glenn Miller too. :hatWhy is that??? Think Liquid Tension.I love LTE, but it is (and should be) different than DT, although that experience definitely would be influential in the way that DT wrote and recorded their music. Although it didn't really change the actual music that they wrote, which is a key here.Perhaps the word jazz is off putting for you, but it shouldn't be.Nope, I like jazz.I'm not talking about Glenn Miller for god sake.I like Glenn Miller.I guess you've never heard Al Di Meola's Dinner Music for the Gods. Check it out on Youtube.Condescend much? I love Di Meola.This is the stuff that has made John Petrucci who he is.Well, that is PART of what made him who he is.I guess you forgot that they DID tour with Steve Morse back in 1999/2000 and Yes and the Crimson Project.I guess you do condescend much. I remember all of that, thanks. But all of those bands do different music than DT does.Can't we get a true musician's prog album for a change instead of trying to be all things to all people. They certainly have the musical ability to expand their horizons quite a bit. They don't need to do the ballad metal thing on every album and they did dabble with a bit of Crimson on 6DOIT.What we get on every album is the album they wanted to make.As far as I'm concerned Derek's albums have been a lot more interesting than the last five DT albums.OK. Nothing wrong with that opinion.I listen to all forms of music and I'm sure they do too. Al Di Meola and Mahavishnu is not that far of a departure from what they do.I don't know. I think that especially compositionally, it's quite a bit different.I'd like to hear a bit more of that influence and a bit more maturity musically-wise in the songs they do. Their songs have become too formulaic. I know exactly where they are going before they ever get there.. Dream Theater shouldn't be following the AC/DC format of not straying from their box.It's obvious that you don't care for the direction they have gone in. That is why I suggested that perhaps this isn't the band for you, given what you would like them to do (which they won't do).They have more talent than that and they don't need to imitate Symphony X or try to attract 16 year old boys.I don't think they are doing either of those things.Let's hear an album that caters to the musicians out there for a change. That is the reason why I came to them in the first place.Not catering to YOUR particular musical tastes doesn't mean they don't cater to musicians.I'll say it again NO BALLADS.Good luck with that. They obviously like writing ballads. They even included a ballad on their straight-up metal album (IMO, it was the best song on the album).
Hey, I like all the music you mentioned. But I don't want DT to sound like all the other bands I like, and I don't want all the other bands I like to start sounding like DT.
:lolI think you just hit the nail on the head as to why Mike Portnoy left the band. He definitely had a point that I think Dream Theater should have given more thought to. It should have been done more gracefully, but he had a point. It reminds me of the Roger Waters/Pink Floyd spat. As much as I don't care for Water's solo albums (Amused to Death is Terminal), Pink Floyd got bloated and stale and their last two/three albums lack the edge he brought just as I think there is a serious hole in the middle of DT on stage. Mike Mangini is fantastic but Mike Portnoy was the soul of the band and had the stage presence Mangini doesn't have. I know some might disagree with that assessment, but that's the feeling I got from their Dramatic Turn of Events show In Pompano, Fl. in 2011. It is what it is, though, and DT have moved on. My opinion is Mike Portnoy will be back in a few years. That all being said, it would be nice to see more side projects from the band, especially from Petrucci.
No problem man! That's why they do outside projects, to scratch those itches. DT has a brand that they will stick to.
If there's one thing I really want DT to stay away from, it's this:Funny...the tassels on JP's pants in 2005 were pretty close...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R2aW03pwL0#t=52
He did. Unfortunately, that's what happens with work-aholics. I don't think it was the side projects, but rather the fact that he took everything related to DT upon himself. The other members let him and didn't step up to take some of the work load.
He is a control freak. No doubt about that, but shit you watch the video of James Labrie playing basketball while everybody else is doing the writing speaks for itself. I know he says the band (Jp, JM, MP) wanted it that way, but it is still a bit disconnected. Couple that with Mike's comments about the after tour dinner where someone (I am assuming it was James he was talking about...correct me if I'm wrong) had his ear phones on during the whole dinner and I think it is safe to say the level of caring in the band had diminished in Mikes eyes to the point of just riding the ship and their laurels.He did. Unfortunately, that's what happens with work-aholics. I don't think it was the side projects, but rather the fact that he took everything related to DT upon himself. The other members let him and didn't step up to take some of the work load.
There's nothing to indicate that they hadn't offered. MP is a self-proclaimed control freak. He probably would've refused the help.
Couple that with Mike's comments about the after tour dinner where someone (I am assuming it was James he was talking about...correct me if I'm wrong) had his ear phones on during the whole dinner and I think it is safe to say the level of caring in the band had diminished in Mikes eyes to the point of just riding the ship and their laurels.
As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.
I agree with drake about the ballads on the last two albums. That being said, It wouldn't tire my ears one bit. An album doesn't need ballads to have contrast. Good song writing is good song writing regardless of whether or not ballads are on an album. For me (just my opinion) ballads on DT albums have always came off as fillers.As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.
I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.
I agree with drake about the ballads on the last two albums. That being said, It wouldn't tire my ears one bit. An album doesn't need ballads to have contrast. Good song writing is good song writing regardless of whether or not ballads are on an album. For me (just my opinion) ballads on DT albums have always came off as fillers.As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.
I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.
Considering Wither and This is the Life are two of my favourite recent DT songs, I don't think they should be avoiding ballads. :lolHere ya go...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbTyFzqZu0
What the..? :lolConsidering Wither and This is the Life are two of my favourite recent DT songs, I don't think they should be avoiding ballads. :lolHere ya go...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbTyFzqZu0
:lol You will never hear that song in the same way again. :angel:What the..? :lolConsidering Wither and This is the Life are two of my favourite recent DT songs, I don't think they should be avoiding ballads. :lolHere ya go...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbTyFzqZu0
Why does that work so well?!
This. The biggest problem of DT12 is the lack of variety and dynamics.As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.
This thread is 5 pages already, and we're still two weeks away from the start of February. For all we know, they might not even go in until the middle or the end of the month.The earliest announced tour date is July 11, so I'd be shocked if they didn't enter the studio at the beginning of the month. Speaking of that, I hope they don't rush the album because they only have 5 months...
This. The biggest problem of DT12 is the lack of variety and dynamics.As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.This thread is 5 pages already, and we're still two weeks away from the start of February. For all we know, they might not even go in until the middle or the end of the month.The earliest announced tour date is July 11, so I'd be shocked if they didn't enter the studio at the beginning of the month. Speaking of that, I hope they don't rush the album because they only have 5 months...
Considering Wither and This is the Life are two of my favourite recent DT songs, I don't think they should be avoiding ballads. :lolHere ya go...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbTyFzqZu0
There's definitely a rinse-lather-repeat to their music at this point.
This. The biggest problem of DT12 is the lack of variety and dynamics.As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.This thread is 5 pages already, and we're still two weeks away from the start of February. For all we know, they might not even go in until the middle or the end of the month.The earliest announced tour date is July 11, so I'd be shocked if they didn't enter the studio at the beginning of the month. Speaking of that, I hope they don't rush the album because they only have 5 months...
Does anybody think they'll release a "Cleaning out the Closet 2" album? I really liked the last one I received at Dreamcon 2000 in Den Bosch, Netherlands
Fleetwood Mac they are not. They needed over a year in the studio to record Tusk for god's sake. Dream Theater know how to play their instruments. ;-)This. The biggest problem of DT12 is the lack of variety and dynamics.As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.This thread is 5 pages already, and we're still two weeks away from the start of February. For all we know, they might not even go in until the middle or the end of the month.The earliest announced tour date is July 11, so I'd be shocked if they didn't enter the studio at the beginning of the month. Speaking of that, I hope they don't rush the album because they only have 5 months...
*shrugs*
This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do. Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.
*shrugs*
This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do. Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.
I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.
I never said they should reinvent their sound. I just think they could add an album to their catalog that is a bit more of a prog album that is heavier on musicianship and less on pop hooks and ballads. They don't need to reinvent themselves to do that. That being said, YES, Genesis, Heart and Aerosmith to name a few managed to change their sound during the early 80's to great success. I didn't care for the changes but they did change and had a second life to their careers. I would venture to say that at least Heart and YES recanted those changes when the music industry became tour heavy again.*shrugs*
This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do. Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.
I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.
*shrugs*
This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do. Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.
I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.
Dream Theater have an intelligent, musically inclined, open-minded and above all loyal fan base that was created on bucking the musical trends and doing it their way despite the lack of radio play. They are known as a prog metal band. Why would being just a bit more proggy a) be a dud, and b) be a major problem for them if by some off chance it were, especially given their penchant to release new albums every two years or so? If fans stayed with them through the FII album, I doubt they would ever leave now if the album happened to be less commercial and more prog. They don't have to become another version of PHISH, just a more Liquid Tension version of themselves would be exciting to hear. I think fans would dig it and embrace it.*shrugs*
This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do. Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.
I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.
The problem is when the band doesn't have a history of evolving their sound. For a band like Queen, if they released a dud (e.g. Hot Space), people just shrugged their shoulders because they knew the album after that was going to be different again. If a band like DT majorly switched their sound after sticking to the same sound for over a decade, and it would turn out to be a flop, it could turn out to be a big problem.
Even though there are of course fans of every album, I feel like DT has disappointed the general fan base for the last four albums. I'm not speaking for myself here though, since I love both Systematic Chaos and A Dramatic Turn of Events. But I feel like the majority of comments of the past 6 years has been a bit negative. It seems like the fans are longing for the old DT, which will simply never return. Something I have accepted will never really return. And again, I really like both SC and ADToE, so not really speaking for myself here.I personally think that ADToE is a better prog metal album than the last album. My preference is for instrumentals (sections of instrumentals in this case) which ADToE had more of. As much as I wish Mike Portnoy were back in the band, I was tired of the 12 step theme on so many of their albums.
Even though there are of course fans of every album, I feel like DT has disappointed the general fan base for the last four albums. I'm not speaking for myself here though, since I love both Systematic Chaos and A Dramatic Turn of Events. But I feel like the majority of comments of the past 6 years has been a bit negative. It seems like the fans are longing for the old DT, which will simply never return. Something I have accepted will never really return. And again, I really like both SC and ADToE, so not really speaking for myself here.
I personally think that ADToE is a better prog metal album than the last album. My preference is for instrumentals (sections of instrumentals in this case) which ADToE had more of. As much as I wish Mike Portnoy were back in the band, I was tired of the 12 step theme on so many of their albums.
I liked the music for the 12 step songs, just not the theme. I agree with the rest of your post, especially about the song structure...it's become too predictable over the years.I personally think that ADToE is a better prog metal album than the last album. My preference is for instrumentals (sections of instrumentals in this case) which ADToE had more of. As much as I wish Mike Portnoy were back in the band, I was tired of the 12 step theme on so many of their albums.
I love all songs of the 12 step suite except The Shattered Fortress, because it in total had one original idea in 13 minutes. I agree that ADToE had very good instumental sections, something I feel like was a clear step up from BC&SL and was was lacking on DT12. So an approach similar to that would make me happy, although I would like there to be more experimentation with song structures, as I have previously stated.
The problem is when the band doesn't have a history of evolving their sound. For a band like Queen, if they released a dud (e.g. Hot Space), people just shrugged their shoulders because they knew the album after that was going to be different again. If a band like DT majorly switched their sound after sticking to the same sound for over a decade, and it would turn out to be a flop, it could turn out to be a big problem.Completely agreed.
More liquid Tension-esque would be a nice change of pace from the last album.. That's what I am saying/mean. What's wrong with a bit more of their instrumental prowess on an album and a bit less ballad? They can always come back with another album for that purpose. Why not indulge some of the more musically inclined fans? It isn't asking them to change their sound but rather giving some of their fans more of what we like and what I think set them apart from other bands. Frankly, it is baffling to me why DT fans would be so opposed to such an album. Let me say it again, I am NOT asking for a major change in their sound so please don't comment about how a major change is unlikely . I get that and that has NEVER been what I've been saying. If I had to guess what kind of album it would be, I would bet we will see some longer, more involved songs. Why? I'm just speculating here but in a recent interview JP said that writing shorter songs was very difficult for him. We may very well see a DT album that is more instrumentally inclined coming our way...and it will be good...and all will be right in the world again. ;-)The problem is when the band doesn't have a history of evolving their sound. For a band like Queen, if they released a dud (e.g. Hot Space), people just shrugged their shoulders because they knew the album after that was going to be different again. If a band like DT majorly switched their sound after sticking to the same sound for over a decade, and it would turn out to be a flop, it could turn out to be a big problem.Completely agreed.
Bluehaze, I'm not sure what exactly it is you're suggesting. You're saying that should be "just a bit more proggy", but I don't know what that means. And more proggy than what? DT have ALWAYS had big melodic hooks in their songs, so those aren't going to go away. Their music remains full of complex instrumental sections. Ok DT12 was a little different in that regard, but that was pretty unique for them.
Like the last album for me...
If they do release such an album I don't like, I would not want to include it in my DT playlists, and may end up not even buying it.
They seem to all be fans of 'heavy' music, so that seems to be more or less guaranteed. I am a fan of that too, so I agree. The heavy moments are often a highlight, whether I like the album overall or not.Can you imagine them saying screw it and doing a Periphery-styled album??? THAT would be heavy!!! ...and It would make my day to see all of the ballad lovers out there cringe with pain. I'm playing with ya'll ;)
Can you imagine them saying screw it and doing a Periphery-styled album??? THAT would be heavy!!! ...and It would make my day to see all of the ballad lovers out there cringe with pain. I'm playing with ya'll ;)
Jay, 13 posts? What happened??
While I get why they have to do it from a business standpoint, the fact that they are already announcing tour dates for this summer, without having any of the new album written yet, is not something I am a fan of. What if they get in the studio and struggle to find their way? Will they feel rushed to release whatever they come up with, because they know they have to have to finished by [insert date]? You can't exactly put creativity and inspiration on a time clock; it should come naturally.
I want demos.
Even though there are of course fans of every album, I feel like DT has disappointed the general fan base for the last four albums. I'm not speaking for myself here though, since I love both Systematic Chaos and A Dramatic Turn of Events. But I feel like the majority of comments of the past 6 years has been a bit negative. It seems like the fans are longing for the old DT, which will simply never return. Something I have accepted will never really return. And again, I really like both SC and ADToE, so not really speaking for myself here.
While I get why they have to do it from a business standpoint, the fact that they are already announcing tour dates for this summer, without having any of the new album written yet, is not something I am a fan of. What if they get in the studio and struggle to find their way? Will they feel rushed to release whatever they come up with, because they know they have to have to finished by [insert date]? You can't exactly put creativity and inspiration on a time clock; it should come naturally.
Sounds like a lot to worry about. :lol I agree that it should come naturally, but honestly if this is what works for them then that is what comes naturally to them. I think the fact of the matter is that DT members obviously feel comfortable and confident enough that they can keep on track. They don't expect to encounter any issues while recording, and why should they? Sure it's good to be prepared for anything, but worrying about an imaginary scenario where something causes them to not finish on time is a helpful attitude in some circumstances, such as foresight to predict potential hurdles, but a hindering attitude to have if you actually just want to get on with it and make progress. I get what you mean how it could make you feel uneasy that they impose these sort of expectations on themselves, but if they're confident in their ability to stick to their schedules then that should be good enough for us.
Even though there are of course fans of every album, I feel like DT has disappointed the general fan base for the last four albums. I'm not speaking for myself here though, since I love both Systematic Chaos and A Dramatic Turn of Events. But I feel like the majority of comments of the past 6 years has been a bit negative. It seems like the fans are longing for the old DT, which will simply never return. Something I have accepted will never really return. And again, I really like both SC and ADToE, so not really speaking for myself here.
Maybe some older fans feel this way, the ones that put all their earlier work on a pedestal for varying reasons. But really, any complaints about the recent half of their career have been from fans that have certain expectations that were not met by the band in the way they'd prefer. I think the 'core' DT fanbase will be pretty accepting of most of what they come out with, and the persistent 'negative' responses are a natural side effect (and in contrast) to a generally well received album as far as the band is concerned. Despite the huge variation in opinions on the albums, I don't think there's any one album that we can collectively agree was an actual flop or failure for the band. They're still always charging forward seemingly still getting bigger and receiving more recognition. Even SC which gets a lot of flak for whatever reasons, still correlates with an expansion of the fanbase and generally high acclamation. Each album has still been a success in it's own right, and the fanbase is still growing.
They seem to all be fans of 'heavy' music, so that seems to be more or less guaranteed.
I love all songs of the 12 step suite except The Shattered Fortress, because it in total had one original idea in 13 minutes.
I dont want an all heavy album. I do though like to be able to headbang once in a while.
Title: Sweet Balladreams.I dont want an all heavy album. I do though like to be able to headbang once in a while.
After DT12 I want an all ballad album. :metal :yarr
I never said they should reinvent their sound. I just think they could add an album to their catalog that is a bit more of a prog album that is heavier on musicianship and less on pop hooks and ballads. They don't need to reinvent themselves to do that. That being said, YES, Genesis, Heart and Aerosmith to name a few managed to change their sound during the early 80's to great success. I didn't care for the changes but they did change and had a second life to their careers. I would venture to say that at least Heart and YES recanted those changes when the music industry became tour heavy again.*shrugs*
This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do. Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.
I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.
My point is not that DT change their sound, but that bands have changed their sound and succeeded. The 80's sucked for music and those that "sold out" to stay relevant have changed their tune (excuse the pun) as of late. My DESIRE is that they make a more proggy album not a less proggy one. They ARE a PROG-metal band after all, and this is why they became successful in the first place. They bucked the commercial market to be proggy when prog was all but dead. Do their fans really want them to be less proggy? If I wanted that, I'd listen to Journey. There are more than enough bands out there for that kind of boring pop sound. I want DT to stay true to themselves and not give in to those that want less prog. Dream Theater have paved the way for many other prog metal bands such as Circus Maximus, Pagans Mind, the Von Hertzen brothers to name a few. Other prog bands such as Beardfish and the Flower Kings have also carved out a prog following thanks to DT's bringing prog back from the dead. Long live prog rock!!!I never said they should reinvent their sound. I just think they could add an album to their catalog that is a bit more of a prog album that is heavier on musicianship and less on pop hooks and ballads. They don't need to reinvent themselves to do that. That being said, YES, Genesis, Heart and Aerosmith to name a few managed to change their sound during the early 80's to great success. I didn't care for the changes but they did change and had a second life to their careers. I would venture to say that at least Heart and YES recanted those changes when the music industry became tour heavy again.*shrugs*
This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do. Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.
I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.
I'm not familiar with all of those bands but most of the ones you listed started making more mainstream songs aka less proggy in the case of Yes and Genesis. Thats why they succeeded. Same could be said for Megadeth, Testament, even Fates Warning. So unless you are suggesting DT makes a more mainstream album, I don't see how shaking things up would guarantee bigger success.
But even if the shorter songs aren't your cup of tea, they've never done two albums in a row exactly the same anyway, so I would be surprised if that same focus stayed on the next album anyway.Yeah, it seems that bluehaze was simply suggesting a different direction to DT12, but I think that's a given.
Considering Wither and This is the Life are two of my favourite recent DT songs, I don't think they should be avoiding ballads. :lolHere ya go...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbTyFzqZu0
Well are we going to lay odds on Metropolis II or what? :laugh:That was in 1999.
Well are we going to lay odds on Metropolis II or what? :laugh:That was in 1999.
Imagine that though, being a long time DT fan, and then discovering that you've somehow missed an album called 'Scenes From a Memory' or something. That'd be a pretty swell day.
Imagine that though, being a long time DT fan, and then discovering that you've somehow missed an album called 'Scenes From a Memory' or something. That'd be a pretty swell day.
This happened to me. After FII I kind of lost track of them....got into the Heavier Music (Pantera, Machine Head...etc. etc.) and really didn't follow up with DT for a few years. In the summer of 2002 I was managing a Sports Bar and one of the cooks mentioned Dream Theater in converstation....and I said I used to love them and that it was too bad that they quit making music. He was like 'WTF you talking about?' and he told me about Scenes and 6 Degrees. I immediately ran out and bought them and had a great mind blowing few weeks just listening to those over and over and over......
Damn, that sounds awesome.
Imagine that though, being a long time DT fan, and then discovering that you've somehow missed an album called 'Scenes From a Memory' or something. That'd be a pretty swell day.
This happened to me. After FII I kind of lost track of them....got into the Heavier Music (Pantera, Machine Head...etc. etc.) and really didn't follow up with DT for a few years. In the summer of 2002 I was managing a Sports Bar and one of the cooks mentioned Dream Theater in converstation....and I said I used to love them and that it was too bad that they quit making music. He was like 'WTF you talking about?' and he told me about Scenes and 6 Degrees. I immediately ran out and bought them and had a great mind blowing few weeks just listening to those over and over and over......
Imagine that though, being a long time DT fan, and then discovering that you've somehow missed an album called 'Scenes From a Memory' or something. That'd be a pretty swell day.
This happened to me. After FII I kind of lost track of them....got into the Heavier Music (Pantera, Machine Head...etc. etc.) and really didn't follow up with DT for a few years. In the summer of 2002 I was managing a Sports Bar and one of the cooks mentioned Dream Theater in converstation....and I said I used to love them and that it was too bad that they quit making music. He was like 'WTF you talking about?' and he told me about Scenes and 6 Degrees. I immediately ran out and bought them and had a great mind blowing few weeks just listening to those over and over and over......
I am shaming you through the internet.
Damn, that sounds awesome.
It was. I was in my full blown 'pot head' days then so I would partake....sit back....and just listen...... :hat
Haha, glad to hear it! I definitely feel that song is underrated so nice to see good things being said about it. :P
Might seem a bit generic by the standard of their other work, but there's actually a lot more too it and is so much more than just a generic metal track imo. I even love Bebot, reminds me of old NES and Sega Master System sound effects and is kinda 'trippy' on a decent sound system. And the whole bridge solo section is pretty badass too. But as I implied in my last post, I have nostalgic bias towards this song. :lol
It's actually something I rather look forward to with the new albums; the 'metal single'. I doubt I'll be disappointed as I also think The Enemy Inside was excellent. For the record, HTF/PA/CM/AROP are all favourite songs for me, possibly for similar reasons. :biggrin:
Just to let you know, As I Am and I Walk Beside You were the "singles" from their respective album. Not sure why you think HTF was, but Panic Attack wasn't a "single" until the Rock Band game.
Haha, glad to hear it! I definitely feel that song is underrated so nice to see good things being said about it. :P
Might seem a bit generic by the standard of their other work, but there's actually a lot more too it and is so much more than just a generic metal track imo. I even love Bebot, reminds me of old NES and Sega Master System sound effects and is kinda 'trippy' on a decent sound system. And the whole bridge solo section is pretty badass too. But as I implied in my last post, I have nostalgic bias towards this song. :lol
It's actually something I rather look forward to with the new albums; the 'metal single'. I doubt I'll be disappointed as I also think The Enemy Inside was excellent. For the record, HTF/PA/CM/AROP are all favourite songs for me, possibly for similar reasons. :biggrin:
Just to let you know, As I Am and I Walk Beside You were the "singles" from their respective album. Not sure why you think HTF was, but Panic Attack wasn't a "single" until the Rock Band game.
It looks like they have some shows in July and will probably have more afterwards.
I think September or the fall might be a little too soon to have DT13 released... Unless they write the album in 3 weeks.
It looks like they have some shows in July and will probably have more afterwards.
I think September or the fall might be a little too soon to have DT13 released... Unless they write the album in 3 weeks.
What about the rumors of metropolis pt3 and mp producing? :omg:
https://theshamansblog.com/2015/01/22/mike-portnoy-producira-el-metropolis-pt-3-de-dream-theater/
That guy is usually right, so, i dont think is a joke or fake, what do you think if its true?
What about the rumors of metropolis pt3 and mp producing? :omg:
https://theshamansblog.com/2015/01/22/mike-portnoy-producira-el-metropolis-pt-3-de-dream-theater/
That guy is usually right, so, i dont think is a joke or fake, what do you think if its true?
Completely fake. That's literally the casual fan's wet dream and it's dumb as hell.
:lol
What about the rumors of metropolis pt3 and mp producing? :omg:
https://theshamansblog.com/2015/01/22/mike-portnoy-producira-el-metropolis-pt-3-de-dream-theater/
That guy is usually right, so, i dont think is a joke or fake, what do you think if its true?
Well, for one, the tweet that JP "sent" isn't on his page. So there's that.
Honestly ill be happy if they make metropolis pt3, we all know it would happen someday.
No kidding.Honestly ill be happy if they make metropolis pt3, we all know it would happen someday.
Did we? The Metropolis story has been told. What is this obsession that some fans have with this idea? It comes up with every album cycle. Let it go.
No kidding.Honestly ill be happy if they make metropolis pt3, we all know it would happen someday.
Did we? The Metropolis story has been told. What is this obsession that some fans have with this idea? It comes up with every album cycle. Let it go.
I mean, if they choose to do it, I hope they do a good job with it. But I see no reason to do it.
How about A Count Of Tuscany II: Back To The Villa!NOW WAIT A MINUTE MORE
The tweet could mean anything, there are hundreds of musicians at NAMM that he knows.
The rest is horseshit.
Instead of MP3, i wouldn't mind a concept album based on another popular DT song.
Metropolis Part 3 would be this::tup
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The songs for Awake were also written in a span of roughly 3 weeks.Well, some of the stuff was showing up during the I&W live shows.
Mostly just Puppies On Acid.The songs for Awake were also written in a span of roughly 3 weeks.Well, some of the stuff was showing up during the I&W live shows.
Awake 2: Insomnia
Breaking The Fourth Wall 2: Revenge of the Kool Aid Man
Innocence Faded jam (https://mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/searchresults.asp?criteria=innocence+faded+jam&in=song) and 6:00 jam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dnzS2cpQsY)Mostly just Puppies On Acid.The songs for Awake were also written in a span of roughly 3 weeks.Well, some of the stuff was showing up during the I&W live shows.
What else? Nothing else is coming to mind.
Innocence Faded jam (https://mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/searchresults.asp?criteria=innocence+faded+jam&in=song) and 6:00 jam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dnzS2cpQsY)
Then there was the neoclassical bit in Erotomania that was recycled from an early PMU demo. Also, both TSM and SDV had been written a few months before the proper writing sessions began.
Images and Words 2: A Dramatic Turn of Events
Images and Words 2: Jay And Silent Blob strike Back
DT12 2 - Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back Again Yo
Space-Dye Vest Pt. 2: Open Again
DT15 - Hugh Syme gets sued for plagiarism by himself, because he's just that lazy and doesn't want to work
Glorious. You missed the diagonal cut though.
A Dramatic Turn of Events 2: Still On The Rope
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Metropolis Part III : Whyiiiii'm alive again .Dockniss fah behind me
From Mike Mangini Fb page
Doing some preparations for getting set up in the studio next week for Dream Theater.
:metal :metal
Do it!
From Mike Mangini Fb page
Doing some preparations for getting set up in the studio next week for Dream Theater.
:metal :metal
Pardon me, Stewardess, I speak Mangini. He said, "I'm trying to rent a fleet of U-Hauls to get all my drums from Boston to New York."
Just hoping that he'll bring a better sounding snare this time!
Just hoping that he'll bring a better sounding snare this time!
100% this.
I never really had much issue with the snare, so I don't really know what you guys are talking about. :dunno:
I never really had much issue with the snare, so I don't really know what you guys are talking about. :dunno:
It worked for the most part but sounded dreadful especially on Along For The Ride. For a nice ballad like that you want something like and airy - not some big fat
huge sounding snare stomping all over the song.
It doesn't drive me nuts like most but I like most recording of instruments to have dynamics and DT12 did not have dynamics in the instruments.
It doesn't drive me nuts like most but I like most recording of instruments to have dynamics and DT12 did not have dynamics in the instruments.
My sentiments as well. I think Rich Chycki may have been trying to push the DT sound toward what he achieved on Impermanent Resonance and I hope DT uses a different engineer just in case.
I never really had much issue with the snare, so I don't really know what you guys are talking about. :dunno:
It worked for the most part but sounded dreadful especially on Along For The Ride. For a nice ballad like that you want something like and airy - not some big fat
huge sounding snare stomping all over the song.
Actually, that contrast is one of the things I like about the song. It grabbed me right away that it was so unusual and was not a typical "ballad." I find Along For The Ride's indecision about whether it is a ballad or something else to be one of its best features. But I guess by virtue of you pointing it out, I can understand how it might be jarring and turn some people off.
I never really had much issue with the snare, so I don't really know what you guys are talking about. :dunno:
It worked for the most part but sounded dreadful especially on Along For The Ride. For a nice ballad like that you want something like and airy - not some big fat
huge sounding snare stomping all over the song.
Actually, that contrast is one of the things I like about the song. It grabbed me right away that it was so unusual and was not a typical "ballad." I find Along For The Ride's indecision about whether it is a ballad or something else to be one of its best features. But I guess by virtue of you pointing it out, I can understand how it might be jarring and turn some people off.
This. Nothing Else Matters does the same thing and it's one of the greatest rock ballads of all time.
It doesn't drive me nuts like most but I like most recording of instruments to have dynamics and DT12 did not have dynamics in the instruments.
My sentiments as well. I think Rich Chycki may have been trying to push the DT sound toward what he achieved on Impermanent Resonance and I hope DT uses a different engineer just in case.
I think you mean Elements of Persuasion. Rich didn't engineer IR or Static Impulse
Aside from the snare not even sounding like a real snare, my biggest problem with it is that it doesn't sound like he's hitting a drum with a stick, it sounds like he's pressing a button. It sounds like the exact same "hit" sampled over and over again. Also, the volume moderation (I don't know any proper technical terms) is really lazy. Sometimes when there are a few snare hits after each other in a fill or something, the hits all sound identical in both sound and volume.
It is a completely unfathomable mystery to me how a band with DT's resources and experience can produce something that amateur-sounding. Actually, it is even rare to come across amateurs with drum production that lazy.
Aside from the snare not even sounding like a real snare, my biggest problem with it is that it doesn't sound like he's hitting a drum with a stick, it sounds like he's pressing a button. It sounds like the exact same "hit" sampled over and over again. Also, the volume moderation (I don't know any proper technical terms) is really lazy. Sometimes when there are a few snare hits after each other in a fill or something, the hits all sound identical in both sound and volume.
It is a completely unfathomable mystery to me how a band with DT's resources and experience can produce something that amateur-sounding. Actually, it is even rare to come across amateurs with drum production that lazy.
Was the awful DT12 snare a result of the drum itself or the production?It has little to do with the drum itself, with proper setup and production, even a 'cheap' snare can sound great (conversely, a hi-end, top of the line snare can be made to sound like a tin can, as it so often happens). I'd say tuning is the most crucial factor when it comes to the DT12 snare. It was tuned really low, thus it doesn't have the crispness and crack that snare drums usually do. It was also muffled a lot, so it's really dry, with a short attack, no ringing and no overtones. Overall, I don't have much of a problem with it, but it's kind of dull, in the end. A really nice example of a crisp, organic and lively snare (with some pleasant overtones and lots of dynamics) is the FII snare, it's especially conspicuous at the beginning of Trial of Tears. I'm really hoping for a FII sounding album next time around.
Also, the volume moderation (I don't know any proper technical terms)Dynamics. :)
Just checked out 'The Shattered Fortress' from BtFW, and yeah, that snare is great. I hope they use something like that for the new album.
Although, I sincerely hope JP doesn't use that mess of a guitar tone. Those lower notes are basically indistinguishable.
Yeah, I also hope for a better drums sound this time around. I've had my opinions of Mike Portnoy but one thing I always thought he brought to the table was GREAT sounding drums, at least from Awake and forward. Always really clear, massive and you can hear every little nuance in his playing.
Not so much with Mike Mangini. A lot of the brilliant things he's doing gets lost and I can only hear them if I'm really trying to listen for it.
Was the awful DT12 snare a result of the drum itself or the production?It has little to do with the drum itself, with proper setup and production, even a 'cheap' snare can sound great (conversely, a hi-end, top of the line snare can be made to sound like a tin can, as it so often happens). I'd say tuning is the most crucial factor when it comes to the DT12 snare. It was tuned really low, thus it doesn't have the crispness and crack that snare drums usually do. It was also muffled a lot, so it's really dry, with a short attack, no ringing and no overtones. Overall, I don't have much of a problem with it, but it's kind of dull, in the end. A really nice example of a crisp, organic and lively snare (with some pleasant overtones and lots of dynamics) is the FII snare, it's especially conspicuous at the beginning of Trial of Tears. I'm really hoping for a FII sounding album next time around.
But what if MM is actually talented enough to hit the snare at almost the same velocity and same position in the drum for short spurts or rolls to maintain a consistent sound? I remember that he made a big deal about it in some interviews. For example:
“My challenge was keeping the velocities extremely high – if I hit one hit light in the middle of a run, it got lost. And to me it wasn’t light, because I could hear it perfectly fine. But with the recording software we use today, if it’s just a couple of dBs shy, it’s no good.”
I think the snare could definitely improve, but not about the hits sounding even because it can be done. Music school actually emphasizes evenness of hits as part of the discipline.
Agreed, MP generally sounded good. Every now and then, he'd have something off on an album (the ACOS snare is too thin, sometimes the kicks had too many overtones), but the clarity and nuances were quite clear. One of the very few drummers who I can immediately pick out, just on cymbal sound alone. The only drawback with MP's sound was the toms, which always seemed a little...punchless? Maybe that's not the right word. They always came off a bit trebly and muffled to me compared to the kick and snare. But I'm guessing that's more a matter of taste than oversight on his part, especially given how consistent that sound was.I pretty much dead-on agree with your assessments of DT's drum sound. I wrote a more in-depth analysis about this a while back, if you haven't seen it: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41497.0
MP also had good snare sound on Awake and from ToT through his exit. It got a bit dry in the SFAM-SDOIT era and ACOS was an odd misstep, but otherwise (I&W samples disregarded, since that's not really him), he was pretty consistent with the snare. Not my favorite snare sound by any stretch, but comfortably above average.
Just checked out 'The Shattered Fortress' from BtFW, and yeah, that snare is great. I hope they use something like that for the new album.Oh yeah, that's probably JP's worst (7-string) tooone ever...
Although, I sincerely hope JP doesn't use that mess of a guitar tone. Those lower notes are basically indistinguishable.
But what if MM is actually talented enough to hit the snare at almost the same velocity and same position in the drum for short spurts or rolls to maintain a consistent sound? I remember that he made a big deal about it in some interviews. For example:
“My challenge was keeping the velocities extremely high – if I hit one hit light in the middle of a run, it got lost. And to me it wasn’t light, because I could hear it perfectly fine. But with the recording software we use today, if it’s just a couple of dBs shy, it’s no good.”
I think the snare could definitely improve, but not about the hits sounding even because it can be done. Music school actually emphasizes evenness of hits as part of the discipline.
Evenness is fine. I would emphasize that too in playing any sort of beat. But when doing a fill or roll of sorts I think some moderation is necessary. Otherwise it sounds like a drum machine, and it just comes off stale. By what I have heard from Mangini on the albums so far, he is the worlds greatest drum machine, but doesn't have the "emotion" that is there on previous DT records.
Agreed, MP generally sounded good. Every now and then, he'd have something off on an album (the ACOS snare is too thin, sometimes the kicks had too many overtones), but the clarity and nuances were quite clear. One of the very few drummers who I can immediately pick out, just on cymbal sound alone. The only drawback with MP's sound was the toms, which always seemed a little...punchless? Maybe that's not the right word. They always came off a bit trebly and muffled to me compared to the kick and snare. But I'm guessing that's more a matter of taste than oversight on his part, especially given how consistent that sound was.I pretty much dead-on agree with your assessments of DT's drum sound. I wrote a more in-depth analysis about this a while back, if you haven't seen it: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41497.0
MP also had good snare sound on Awake and from ToT through his exit. It got a bit dry in the SFAM-SDOIT era and ACOS was an odd misstep, but otherwise (I&W samples disregarded, since that's not really him), he was pretty consistent with the snare. Not my favorite snare sound by any stretch, but comfortably above average.
Out of curiosity, what are some of your overall favorite drum sounds/snare sounds ever?
Eric Carr on "Creatures Of The Night" by Kiss (1982). Huge drum sound, not just the snare.
I think Metallica's Black Album, Load and Reload, Garage Inc all have fantastic drum sounds.
The drums on Troublegum by Therapy? :metal
Alan's kit on Whats The Story Morning Glory :coolio
...Ooh and Nevermind by Nirvana of course. DAT DRUM SOUND.
But what if MM is actually talented enough to hit the snare at almost the same velocity and same position in the drum for short spurts or rolls to maintain a consistent sound? I remember that he made a big deal about it in some interviews. For example:
“My challenge was keeping the velocities extremely high – if I hit one hit light in the middle of a run, it got lost. And to me it wasn’t light, because I could hear it perfectly fine. But with the recording software we use today, if it’s just a couple of dBs shy, it’s no good.”
I think the snare could definitely improve, but not about the hits sounding even because it can be done. Music school actually emphasizes evenness of hits as part of the discipline.
Evenness is fine. I would emphasize that too in playing any sort of beat. But when doing a fill or roll of sorts I think some moderation is necessary. Otherwise it sounds like a drum machine, and it just comes off stale. By what I have heard from Mangini on the albums so far, he is the worlds greatest drum machine, but doesn't have the "emotion" that is there on previous DT records.
This indeed. When they emphasize evenness in drumming classes, they are trying to combat beginners' habit of sometimes hitting the drum really hard, and the next barely audible.
However, when you overdo evenness, with a combination of technique and compression, you end up with the drum computer sound on DT12.
I'd also make the comment of, *what if* this was due to MM's crazy skill of being so even? While that might get you another trophy of "world's most consistent drummer" right next to the "world's fastest drummer", it simply isn't desirable in a musical sense.
But what if MM is actually talented enough to hit the snare at almost the same velocity and same position in the drum for short spurts or rolls to maintain a consistent sound? I remember that he made a big deal about it in some interviews. For example:
“My challenge was keeping the velocities extremely high – if I hit one hit light in the middle of a run, it got lost. And to me it wasn’t light, because I could hear it perfectly fine. But with the recording software we use today, if it’s just a couple of dBs shy, it’s no good.”
I think the snare could definitely improve, but not about the hits sounding even because it can be done. Music school actually emphasizes evenness of hits as part of the discipline.
Evenness is fine. I would emphasize that too in playing any sort of beat. But when doing a fill or roll of sorts I think some moderation is necessary. Otherwise it sounds like a drum machine, and it just comes off stale. By what I have heard from Mangini on the albums so far, he is the worlds greatest drum machine, but doesn't have the "emotion" that is there on previous DT records.
This indeed. When they emphasize evenness in drumming classes, they are trying to combat beginners' habit of sometimes hitting the drum really hard, and the next barely audible.
However, when you overdo evenness, with a combination of technique and compression, you end up with the drum computer sound on DT12.
I'd also make the comment of, *what if* this was due to MM's crazy skill of being so even? While that might get you another trophy of "world's most consistent drummer" right next to the "world's fastest drummer", it simply isn't desirable in a musical sense.
Which is a matter of taste. It's like not wanting slow mo reviews in baseball to retain the "human" element, whatever that means.
I still don't think Mangini's studio sound issues have much to do with him being "too perfect," though.
I still don't think Mangini's studio sound issues have much to do with him being "too perfect," though.
I agree. Here is an example of MM going "drum machine mode" and sounding good. I hope he does something like this in the next album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWhqGPKfqvA
I LOVE the way Periphery mixes their albums. PII and Juggernaut are mixed absolutely perfectly imo. I'd love a mix like those albums. Maybe they could ask Nolly to do it :lol
I think I'm late to the party, but..
I think MM's evenness and robotic sound has everything to do with his accent (and flam) placement and stick velocity choices. In other words, he doesn't accent during rolls or change how hard he hits the drums while he's rolling. He chooses to have a more even sound. MP, in contrast, accented and flam'd all over the place.
-Tof
I just hope they can get Jens Bogren to mix it. I haven't really liked any of the mixes from the last decade. Such a shame that a band with some of the most talented musicians in the world never sounds as good as far less known bands.
I think I'm late to the party, but..
I think MM's evenness and robotic sound has everything to do with his accent (and flam) placement and stick velocity choices. In other words, he doesn't accent during rolls or change how hard he hits the drums while he's rolling. He chooses to have a more even sound. MP, in contrast, accented and flam'd all over the place.
-Tof
Jordan posted this video of him playing the Continuum wiith its internal sounds yesterday: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152726256062989Yeah, it's cool and the sound has plenty of character and uniqueness. A lot of times, it reminds me of the Mellotron (w/o all the bending, of course), but the thing definitely has a sound of its own.
I think it sounds pretty cool and I'd love to hear something like that on the next album.
So would I. But I think that every single time I see a video of him playing outside of DT...
Mike Mangini Facebook:
Congratulations to the New England Patriots !! That game lived up to the hype. Now, it is on to the studio tomorrow to set up to be sure DT's next album also delivers !!
Mike Mangini Facebook:
Congratulations to the New England Patriots !! That game lived up to the hype. Now, it is on to the studio tomorrow to set up to be sure DT's next album also delivers !!
I'm cool with that, as long as they don't use it for inspiration.
Then again, a song about that controversial pass play/interception would be pretty awesome.
^ They could just do a cover of 'The Rains of Castamere' and it would pretty much sum up the mood of those final moments.
It's February. Is the album done yet?
It's February. Is the album done yet?
no
Tomorrow then?
I predict that 3:20 - 4:00 on track 4 will blow our minds.
But yeah, I really hope they show some stuff from the studio. Like, SW's videos made me super-excited about his new album.
:soon:
I think you do : soon : without the spaces in between. Like this.
:soon:.
:soon:
How do you use this smiley? just by writing "soon" ?
I think you do : soon : without the spaces in between. Like this.
:soon:.
Thanks. I just didn't see it on the smileys above.
I think you do : soon : without the spaces in between. Like this.
:soon:.
Thanks. I just didn't see it on the smileys above.
There are many, many, many emotes not shown. You have begun an incredible journey of discovery and wonderment.
I predict that 3:20 - 4:00 on track 4 will blow our minds.
I think you do : soon : without the spaces in between. Like this.
:soon:.
Thanks. I just didn't see it on the smileys above.
There are many, many, many emotes not shown. You have begun an incredible journey of discovery and wonderment.
And most I never jotted down. What the hell is wrong with me?! :lol
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I think you do : soon : without the spaces in between. Like this.
:soon:.
Thanks. I just didn't see it on the smileys above.
There are many, many, many emotes not shown. You have begun an incredible journey of discovery and wonderment.
And most I never jotted down. What the hell is wrong with me?! :lol
:king:
:JayOctavarium:
All I hope for is that whatever style/sound/inspiration that they go for, the quality of the album is streets ahead of that i.m.o. "career low point" last album.
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Well I've always been know to be a flirt. :lol
Forum search is notoriously inefficient, though.
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Well I've always been know to be a flirt. :lol
For the life of me, I have no recollection whatsoever for how that one came to be associated with you. :lol
I want my own emote!!!! :yj: :ytsejam: :ytsejamittaja: :bosky: :ariich: :adami: :zydar: :weymolith:
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I want my own emote!!!! :yj: :ytsejam: :ytsejamittaja: :bosky: :ariich: :adami: :zydar: :weymolith:
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As for JM...don't even bother :)
As for JM...don't even bother :)
Has the band posted any pics yet from the studio?
Has the band posted any pics yet from the studio?
So....are we taking bets on which member will post the first photo update? video update?
Has the band posted any pics yet from the studio?
Has the band posted any pics yet from the studio?
So....are we taking bets on which member will post the first photo update? video update?
I'm guessing Rudess will update first.
He always seems to be the most active on social media.
If they're taking note of DTF, they'll probably feel inclined to name the next album "Clutching at Straws".
If they're taking note of DTF, they'll probably feel inclined to name the next album "Clutching at Straws".
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.
Never heard of it. Oh well.
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.
Never heard of it. Oh well.
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.
Never heard of it. Oh well.
What am I going to do with you Blob? :lol
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.
Never heard of it. Oh well.
What am I going to do with you Blob? :lol
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.
Never heard of it. Oh well.
What am I going to do with you Blob? :lol
Nothing, and you know it!
It has been almost two weeks since the MM's post about entering the studio. ???
"I'll be in studio mode with DT until I do a two week tour for UK's FINAL Tour for the 2nd half of April." Mangini said it! ;DAre we thinking they will be done with recording by the end of April then?
At least now we know until when they will be working in the studio. haha
I love all the video teases of the recording process but it would be kind of cool in a month or so for them to have not said a word and just announce "we're done".
What is the UKs final tour ? Is that the final leg of the DT12 promo ?
pls not one monthHowever long. I have a feeling this one may go quickly, though. Just a gut feeling based on the schedules and the quote from, I think, James, about knowing what they're going to record. I may have read WAY too much into that but I'm going with it.
fans will go all like 'IT'S LIKE TOT ALL OVER AGAIN THEY DON'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME WRITING THAT'S WHERE THE CIRCUS MUSIC BITS COME FROM WTF JORDAN MANGINI DRUM SOUND SUCKS'
Yeah, I don't actually mind how much time they spend writing a record as long as the result is good. That being said, this time I'd like something more...adventurous.I don't know what I want, I'm just confident that I'll like it. My dream is DT's version of Tales from Topographic Oceans with three 20+ minute epics (I know Tales has 4 but this way it would fit on one CD). But I really don't care, I have full confidence in the boys.
I love all the video teases of the recording process but it would be kind of cool in a month or so for them to have not said a word and just announce "we're done".
"I'll be in studio mode with DT until I do a two week tour for UK's FINAL Tour for the 2nd half of April." Mangini said it! ;DAre we thinking they will be done with recording by the end of April then?
At least now we know until when they will be working in the studio. haha
Does that mean that MM will be filling in for Virgil during the U.S. east coast leg or something? ???
I don't want to say anything ... but look what happened last time when the drummer went on another band's tour....
I love all the video teases of the recording process but it would be kind of cool in a month or so for them to have not said a word and just announce "we're done".
I think that would be a cool approach for a band that is known for usually documenting their recording process. Sort of "this time we go into hiding, and will emerge with this gem". But, ever since MP left, the fan communication has (IMHO) suffered a great deal. Not doing any updates would just come across as ... meh.
I agree that in their post MP era, DT hasn't lived much to their 'we're going to speak a lot to the fans' stance that they took in their first post-MP months.
Nobody is saying they don't do any communication. But since MP's departure it has become very "corporate", for lack of a better word. I actually unfriended DT on Facebook because 95% of the updates were just RR marketing messages, with no personality behind it.
They gave a free double live album for X-mas.
Just feel I should state that.
I am fine with the level of fan interaction the band has & with keeping us updated.Me too.
I am fine with the level of fan interaction the band has & with keeping us updated.Me too.
And I hate to do this, but I honestly think it's accurate - the fans got spoiled because of Mike Portnoy's communication with the fans. Don't take it for granted, people, be grateful.
Now I'm officially confused. How do you write/record an album from home? I know Steven Wilson did that with Gavin Harrison for many PT albums, but that worked because SW had essentially written the complete songs.
Now I'm officially confused. How do you write/record an album from home? I know Steven Wilson did that with Gavin Harrison for many PT albums, but that worked because SW had essentially written the complete songs.
There's got to be a music callaboration tool that allows bands to play over the internet together without lag.
There's got to be a music callaboration tool that allows bands to play over the internet together without lag.
Not really, latency is always going to be there. It does take time for information over the internet to get from one place to another, usually just a few (50-200) milliseconds. It's virtually never instant, especially across the ocean.
I could be wrong, but I took the "days ago" part to mean that they were in the studio together, which means they wrote some material together as a group already. But that is just a guess on my part. I could be wrong.
I could be wrong, but I took the "days ago" part to mean that they were in the studio together, which means they wrote some material together as a group already. But that is just a guess on my part. I could be wrong.
I think given that the snow situation is the reason he's not down there right now, I think it's unlikely that he was before, given how Boston had a big blizzard + statewide travel ban just a few days ago.
I'm sure my fellow Bostonians hav it bad too. Unbelievable !! And we're expecting another 18" where I am tomorrow !Someone needs to Photoshop a fake album cover:
I agree that in their post MP era, DT hasn't lived much to their 'we're going to speak a lot to the fans' stance that they took in their first post-MP months.
I know. Bummer. They never talk to the fans at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8cLlXnHpA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNrsD2JF6Q8
I also gotta say, as a Bostonian here, it's not that we're in a Katrina-esque state here. We got FEMA helping out, and given that we usually know two days before when another snow storm will hit, you can easily plan around it. Meaning, if MM wanted to be in New York, he would be in New York. I myself went to, and came back, from Florida during all this.
I know this may piss off drummers but for the most part, I think that they are not involved in the writing process but are involved in shaping the song and making they mark once they all get together to round the songs up.
In bold so no drummer loses their mind. I do understand some are involved.
Come on, seriously. Yes, it's a ton of snow. But, it's a nuisance, at best. The roads are cleared, all you have to do to get to New York is to get in a car and drive to Logan airport.
I would also think that DT management has the wherewithals to hire a snow clearing service and a nanny if need be.
All I'm saying is, I think it just shows he's not considered a key ingredient in the current phase of writing for a) him going down there or b) DT pushing out the schedule. The fact that he agreed to play the UK shows kinda seems to go into the same direction.
My concern is the "commitment" from MM to DT. Wasn't that the reason Minnemamn didn't accept the gig( (he didnt want to be committed to just DT) in the first place?
My concern is the "commitment" from MM to DT. Wasn't that the reason Minnemamn didn't accept the gig( (he didnt want to be committed to just DT) in the first place?
Wouldn't that concern be overblown? The guy left a full-time job as a professor in a prestigious music university. He's doing a short fill-in gig for Virgil Donati, and is working at home for "snow management" while record-levels of snow is falling on Boston. Give the guy a break.
MP asked for a 5 year break.Agreed but it seems odd that he would allow himself to be booked during the couple months window every 2-3 years when DT actually write and record new albums.
MM is doing a two week fill in for a band that has a farewell tour and has Virgil Donati as its full time drummer.
It's not even remotely the same.
I think you guys are looking way too much into this. We don't even know what they're doing in the studio right now.
Agreed but it seems odd that he would allow himself to be booked during the couple months window every 2-3 years when DT actually write and record new albums.
I think you guys are looking way too much into this. We don't even know what they're doing in the studio right now.Goddammit, this is DTF, I don't even know why you would say such things.
If they're taking a different approach this time around, maybe that means something exciting in terms of chemistry and creative process.
If they're taking a different approach this time around, maybe that means something exciting in terms of chemistry and creative process.I don't really think that's the case, I think it's more just sinking in for some people that this is how they've been doing things since MP left.
I'm so curious how next dream theater album will be, I hope it will be more on the vein of metal and not progressive rock like the last two!
James on his Twitter:
"Hey Everyone, Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk."
I'm so curious how next dream theater album will be, I hope it will be more on the vein of metal and not progressive rock like the last two!
I disagree. If they make something heavier, 9 times out of 10 in modern Dream Theater it will sound (quality of sound) bad. To have a big album of that just doesn't appeal to me.
MM UPDATEGotta say I'm not thrilled to read this. I get it Mike, you're a superhuman drummer, now show me you can groove.
Some of you are wondering what I'm playing while snowed in. Mainly, I am redoing my leg technique to not hit as hard. Mind you, what I'm putting below is an exercise for being snowed in. It is not meant to be "groovy" mannnn smile emoticon I'm working on lighter played single foot tempos between patterns that keep my mind occupied.
Here's an example: My ride side plays a 19/8 sticking, while the left hand plays points that resemble 17/8, while the left foot plays the in between 16th notes, while my mind is basing the whole thing in say, a 6 or 7-tuplet, or just in 4/4. I then flip it to totally lefty, or I reassign limbs with no 'side' preference, which is actually easy after knowing the sound of the whole mess. The bad thing is that there are no limbs to reflect what my mind hears, so it is kind of useless unless there's music to designate the "one" of every 7, or whatever my base time tuplet is. No groove to it if you can't hear the base groove tuplet. Anyway... I know... "make a video !" comments are coming. Rudess will make music of this, trust me!
I'm also working on electronic kit sounding simple, 4/4 grooves using some over the bar ride patterns just to give it some habanero spice. It is stuff that kids can feel, so it sort of pleases all.
MM UPDATEGotta say I'm not thrilled to read this. I get it Mike, you're a superhuman drummer, now show me you can groove.
Some of you are wondering what I'm playing while snowed in. Mainly, I am redoing my leg technique to not hit as hard. Mind you, what I'm putting below is an exercise for being snowed in. It is not meant to be "groovy" mannnn smile emoticon I'm working on lighter played single foot tempos between patterns that keep my mind occupied.
Here's an example: My ride side plays a 19/8 sticking, while the left hand plays points that resemble 17/8, while the left foot plays the in between 16th notes, while my mind is basing the whole thing in say, a 6 or 7-tuplet, or just in 4/4. I then flip it to totally lefty, or I reassign limbs with no 'side' preference, which is actually easy after knowing the sound of the whole mess. The bad thing is that there are no limbs to reflect what my mind hears, so it is kind of useless unless there's music to designate the "one" of every 7, or whatever my base time tuplet is. No groove to it if you can't hear the base groove tuplet. Anyway... I know... "make a video !" comments are coming. Rudess will make music of this, trust me!
I'm also working on electronic kit sounding simple, 4/4 grooves using some over the bar ride patterns just to give it some habanero spice. It is stuff that kids can feel, so it sort of pleases all.
James on his Twitter:
"Hey Everyone, Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk."
I'm calling it now. The Count of Tuscany pt 2 - Scenes From a Vineyard.
James on his Twitter:
"Hey Everyone, Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk."
James on his Twitter:
"Hey Everyone, Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk."
Who the hell *is* in the studio at this point? :lol
James on his Twitter:
"Hey Everyone, Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk."
Who the hell *is* in the studio at this point? :lol
"Groove" - thanks to DTF, this has become my most hated music related term, the basis of some of the most pointless arguments I can think of. Whenever someone uses it, especially in the same sentence with MM, I cringe.
"Groove" - thanks to DTF, this has become my most hated music related term, the basis of some of the most pointless arguments I can think of. Whenever someone uses it, especially in the same sentence with MM, I cringe.
"Groove" - thanks to DTF, this has become my most hated music related term, the basis of some of the most pointless arguments I can think of. Whenever someone uses it, especially in the same sentence with MM, I cringe.
Are you saying MM can't groove or does not grove in DT because it doesn't fit their style?
"Groove" - thanks to DTF, this has become my most hated music related term, the basis of some of the most pointless arguments I can think of. Whenever someone uses it, especially in the same sentence with MM, I cringe.
Are you saying MM can't groove or does not grove in DT because it doesn't fit their style?
I think Sycsa is referring to the tendency of MM critics to repeat ad nauseum that MM can not groove, but when pressed for meaning, they can never really specify what not having a groove means. So instead of just straightforwardly saying that they just prefer MP over MM as a matter of taste, they throw the not having a groove argument to give their arguments some kind of gravitas.
Everything we discuss is ultimately a matter of taste, so I don't see that as a valid reason to dismiss it.
Basically this. Arguments based on "I can't explain it, but that's how I feel" are rarely productive. Also, DT is not a "groovy" type of music by default, so idk why is it suddenly such an important criteria in evaluating MM's performance."Groove" - thanks to DTF, this has become my most hated music related term, the basis of some of the most pointless arguments I can think of. Whenever someone uses it, especially in the same sentence with MM, I cringe.
Are you saying MM can't groove or does not grove in DT because it doesn't fit their style?
I think Sycsa is referring to the tendency of MM critics to repeat ad nauseum that MM can not groove, but when pressed for meaning, they can never really specify what not having a groove means. So instead of just straightforwardly saying that they just prefer MP over MM as a matter of taste, they throw the not having a groove argument to give their arguments some kind of gravitas.
My feelings regarding the drummers :This exactly.
I liked MP a lot until he quit the band and it was revealed how much of a control freak he was.
I love MM as a person - genuinely grateful to be in the band and his technical abilities are off the charts.
As for their playing on DT albums - I really liked MP's rock approach more than MM's robotic technique.
I think MM's solos are incredibly dull - even as a drummer myself who understands what he's doing.
I wish MM would lay back a bit more and just feel the music a bit more and not go
" Oh this bit is in 15 - i'll play 12 over 16 and then one bar of 3 over 6 and then reverse it between my left and right side "
Just PLAY.
- But overall i'd rather have MM in the band than MP.
People praised MM before he was in the band. Now it's like their opinions changed. I don't get it.
People praised MM before he was in the band. Now it's like their opinions changed. I don't get it.
From my limited knowledge of Mangini I formed a tentative opinion, and then I listened to two whole DT albums that he played on, and my opinion changed. Are you saying that once I formed an opinion once I should never ever have had my opinion change?
Ah, okay. That makes a bit more sense. I wasn't around here pre-ADTOE, anyway, so there's that. Thanks for clearing it up. Also, my third paragraph is a generalization and not necessarily directed at you. :tup
When I heard Mangini was joining the band I was really excited. I liked what he did with Extreme and he seemed like a good fit. Then ADTOE came out and I didn't find any of the drum parts interesting and also really disliked the mix. I felt like had to struggle to find the nuances in his playing. I know a lot of people boil it down to an ego thing with MP, but I loved how high his drums were in the mix. DT12 had a much better drum sound, I still don't hear what people are complaining about with it, but again a lot of Mangini's parts just didn't resonate with me. It's definitely a step in the right direction and there were some moments I really liked from him, but I'm not sold on him in DT just yet.
Oh and Mangini can groove when he wants to...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GXRzoJbiI
Yeah I subscribe to the school of thought that you can't teach "feel" - you just have to have it.
I remember back when he was completely new to the band I posted something like "I must be the only one to like his playing more than his personality". MM does seem like a nice person. But I recognize the type of personality he has, I know a few people who are like that. And quite honestly, I can't really stand them. It's not the 'being-nice' part that bothers me, that is of course really good and admirable. But MM has always come across as a try-hard. Someone who always says what everyone wants and is afraid to speak up against people. I'm quite convinced that that's not all of what he actually is though, and it's just an image I've formed through the limited information I have from him. But that is why I'm not as sold on him being a swell dude as most others seems to.I don't agree with all of this, but I do agree that, to some extent Mangini strikes me as a player who is maybe too respectful to really have his voice heard. With so many albums he's played on, you always hear retroactive excuses for why the performance is underwhelming:
So between that, and the 'control freak' personality of Portnoy, I actually don't know who I'd prefer. Not that it matters, but still. Discussion.
Is there a YouTube video out there yet of a Mangini clinic where he breaks down some of his DT recording drum work? Mangini mega fans .... a little help?
I think that the positive reaction of fans to MM's drumming in BTFW indicates that the perception of being robotic is really more of a production issue. I have been playing the DT12 and BTFW versions of the DT12 songs back to back, and MM is not really deviating much from the studio versions, but the drumming feels more alive.
So it's just JMX sitting there alone. What is he doing?
...bass
But... we're talking about John Myung, Not Geezer...
But... we're talking about John Myung, Not Geezer...
Oh, come on, you don't have to be such a nib about it.
Whatever happened to Gaspar Green?
Whatever happened to Gaspar Green?
John Myung's silly bow face took priority. :coolio
Vacant's a pretty good song. If JM and JR want to just write some stuff on their own, I'm not going to complain.No doubt.
Hush, hush, darlin'.Vacant's a pretty good song. If JM and JR want to just write some stuff on their own, I'm not going to complain.No doubt.
Hush, hush, darlin'.Vacant's a pretty good song. If JM and JR want to just write some stuff on their own, I'm not going to complain.No doubt.
Don't tell me cause ithurtsstings.
Your talent is virtually boundless.
Back on OP topic: Remember the creepy guy a few years back who wanted to stalk the studio?
Where's that guy when you need him!!
Back on OP topic: Remember the creepy guy a few years back who wanted to stalk the studio?:lol Who was that again?
Where's that guy when you need him!!
I remember back in 2011 someone did some detective work based on DT's studio photos and tweets and found out which studio they were recording at - that was pretty awesome! :D
Exciting times ahead. Looking forward to updatessssss
Exciting times ahead. Looking forward to updatessssss
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Let's just end it.
I'm everyone's supervisor.Let's just end it.
YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!
I had just this weird notion of God looking like Lumbergh from Office Space.
I wonder if they could pull off not giving ANY updates.... until release day. Not even a title. That'd be cool
Depends on how quickly they move through writing and recording. If they absolutely flew through it, it would be kind of cool to just get the news that they are done, and it will be out soon.
Yeah I remember that too! Creepy DT fans who stalk studio and find out midi from a blurry image! :DMaking that midi was a blast! Being able to gradually piece together music note by note in this unique fashion was an experience I'll never forget, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat for the fans. Also, that wasn't the only thing I recreated from those studio session videos...
I wasn't recommending that they fly through it. Although given their touring commitments, they may do some version of that.Depends on how quickly they move through writing and recording. If they absolutely flew through it, it would be kind of cool to just get the news that they are done, and it will be out soon.
Personally, I think it would be better if they don't 'fly thorough' the writing and recording. IMHO that's what a lot of their albums end up sounding like - jam, record it, jam, record it, mix it together into a song - repeat. I haven't felt like an album was really 'crafted' since 6DOIT, although I did enjoy the last two albums more than the four that preceeded them.
metropolis 3 confirmed
metropolis 3 confirmed
Well then it's going to be a prequel because they're mostly dead. ;)
metropolis 3 confirmed
Well then it's going to be a prequel because they're mostly dead. ;)
It can be a sequel. What part of reincarnation don't you get? :lol
Metropolis pt.3: Victoria's SecretOh God I hope so
As awesome as the album is, the concept itself was kinda campy. Doing another sequel would just be bound to step into awful territory.
Let's face it, they won't ever make Metropolis Part 3, because the story is complete and also it will never live up to Part 2.
That Metropolis pt.3 discussion will never end. Then if they choose to do it, we will discuss about Metropolis 4. I hope they don't do it. It's like The Unforgiven. Two is enough.
There is no way they are doing Metropolis Part 3.
They are renaming Part 1 & 2 to Part 3 & 4 and are doing the prequel. It will be about the parents of Julian and Victoria, who it turns out, are twins ... making their affair extra gross.
It will also reinvent Edward's character as the hero.
That Metropolis pt.3 discussion will never end. Then if they choose to do it, we will discuss about Metropolis 4. I hope they don't do it. It's like The Unforgiven. Two is enough.
This conversation is had every time.
It won't happen.
Let's face it, they won't ever make Metropolis Part 3...
I don't see how the concept of an album has a significant bearing on whether or not the music is actually good or not.This conversation is had every time.
It won't happen.
The better statement is: It shouldn't happen. If DT does a Met3, they will officially be regressive metal.
I don't see how the concept of an album has a significant bearing on whether or not the music is actually good or not.
That Metropolis pt.3 discussion will never end. Then if they choose to do it, we will discuss about Metropolis 4. I hope they don't do it. It's like The Unforgiven. Two is enough.
If they do decide to do another concept album, I'm sure it will be great, but I hope they don't do Metropolis Pt. 3 because Part 2 is already perfect.
Except for the fact that The Unforgiven III is the best of the trilogy.
Except for the fact that The Unforgiven III is the best of the trilogy.Given the law of averages, I knew that it was inevitable that SOMEONE would have this opinion. I just never saw it expressed before.
Except for the fact that The Unforgiven III is the best of the trilogy.Given the law of averages, I knew that it was inevitable that SOMEONE would have this opinion. I just never saw it expressed before.
I don't see a full blown Met3 concept album, but I can a song that in some way would keep the story alive or end it. Would be especially nice if it weren't blatantly obvious and then DTF could argue for ages to come over what it meant and whether it was indeed Met3.They could write a new album using the same structures as the songs on SFAM without telling anyone and let DTF endlessly debate it. :biggrin:
They could write a new album using the same structures as the songs on SFAM without telling anyone and let DTF endlessly debate it. :biggrin:
So... at least Jordan is in the studio now: https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/photos/a.10151821986107989.1073741826.8717682988/10152773698542989/?type=1
Reportedly JP said the European summer shows will be the only touring they do this year, so maybe they'll finish work on the album after the summer dates and release it closer to the end of the year like they did with TOT in 2003?
Yes, that's true.
Interestingly enough, it is beginning to sound more and more like DT will only be doing the summer European festival circuit this year. That is kind of interesting news. That means that they may not have an artificially imposed deadline to finish the new album - they will write/record for a few months, then get ready for the live shows, play them, and then they could come back and finish up the album.
Reportedly JP said the European summer shows will be the only touring they do this year, so maybe they'll finish work on the album after the summer dates and release it closer to the end of the year like they did with TOT in 2003?That would be great, they could indulge in it as much as they want, they don't need to hurry.
Except for the fact that The Unforgiven III is the best of the trilogy.Given the law of averages, I knew that it was inevitable that SOMEONE would have this opinion. I just never saw it expressed before.
They could write a new album using the same structures as the songs on SFAM without telling anyone and let DTF endlessly debate it. :biggrin:
But they have not copied FII yet! :biggrin:
If that means having another song that is Peruvian Skies 2, I approve!
If that means having another song that is Peruvian Skies 2, I approve!
..but they already did it with Endless Sacrifice!!! :P
Jordan's got a problem with free image editing apps.
DT on drugs confirmed.Psychedelia baby!
Except for the fact that The Unforgiven III is the best of the trilogy.Given the law of averages, I knew that it was inevitable that SOMEONE would have this opinion. I just never saw it expressed before.
I almost typed the same response myself.
I've never even heard it. Should I even bother?No.
Jordan's got a problem with free image editing apps.
::) Seriously. It's like he's got this image of being a wizard and a master of technology so he can't just post a pic without fucking it up.
Unforgiven III is dreadful. They should have binned it and replaced it with one of the Beyond Magnetic songs.
Unforgiven III is dreadful. They should have binned it and replaced it with one of the Beyond Magnetic songs.
Though the song itself is not that great, it had the best solo on the album. Though that is not an impressive accomplishment, considering how most of them are terrible.
See, I never understood the hate for Unforgiven III. It's not as good as I, but it's a solid addition to the trilogy.
See, I never understood the hate for Unforgiven III. It's not as good as I, but it's a solid addition to the trilogy.
Thank you, glad someone else thinks this! ;D
I completely agree. I think they're all not too bad in their own right. Maybe they're all just living in the shadow of the first one and you probably can't beat the nostalgic associations and the reputation of the first one; but the second and third are still solid tracks in their own regard. Not to mention the Unforgiven series can be a nice change of pace for Metallica.
:emo: Unforgiven II is actually my favourite.
Labrie really needs to step and and write some more lyrics. As the lead vocalist who doesn't play an instrument, it'd be nice to get at least 3 songs from him per album. If you put it in perspective, in the 8 years since "Prophets of War" in 2007, he's contributed a 4 min song that's essentially an intro-piece to BAI.
Need me some more Labrie lyrics!
Didn't he submit more for ADTOE, but they were rejected or something?
Labrie really needs to step and and write some more lyrics. As the lead vocalist who doesn't play an instrument, it'd be nice to get at least 3 songs from him per album. If you put it in perspective, in the 8 years since "Prophets of War" in 2007, he's contributed a 4 min song that's essentially an intro-piece to BAI.
I would say he has "stepped up" just fine.
Labrie really needs to step and and write some more lyrics. As the lead vocalist who doesn't play an instrument, it'd be nice to get at least 3 songs from him per album. If you put it in perspective, in the 8 years since "Prophets of War" in 2007, he's contributed a 4 min song that's essentially an intro-piece to BAI.
2. As long as James and the rest of the band are happy with his level of contribution (or "not-contribution," as the case may be), why does it even matter?
Labrie really needs to step and and write some more lyrics. As the lead vocalist who doesn't play an instrument, it'd be nice to get at least 3 songs from him per album. If you put it in perspective, in the 8 years since "Prophets of War" in 2007, he's contributed a 4 min song that's essentially an intro-piece to BAI.
2. As long as James and the rest of the band are happy with his level of contribution (or "not-contribution," as the case may be), why does it even matter?
Because it is an entirely different way to write a song, which would only be expanding DT's songwriting arsenal? DT has stated many times that they write the music first, lyrics/melody second. As a result, the songs are more rifftastic, but the melodies (which most people latch onto) take a back seat. It isn't that one way (writing lyrics/melody to the instrumental) is better than the other (orchestrating to a melody), but it would definitely be one of the biggest advancements DT could make in their songwriting career.
And judging by JP's question to Geddy Lee on the recent That Metal Show, this seems to be something on JP's mind.
Nobody is telling DT how to write a song. We've just been listening to DT for so long that we are searching for new areas of enjoyment.
DT has stated many times that they write the music first, lyrics/melody second. As a result, the songs are more rifftastic, but the melodies (which most people latch onto) take a back seat.
DT has stated many times that they write the music first, lyrics/melody second. As a result, the songs are more rifftastic, but the melodies (which most people latch onto) take a back seat.
That is definitely true. The vocal melodies are never bad, but you can tell they were added after the music was written. Like, now that I think of it, when was the last DT song where JLB was singing on his own, i.e. without any instruments?
One part that isn't vocals only, but feels very melody-first, is the "Could this be the end" part of TCOT.
What part? The "Mothers for their children" part? That stretches the definition of "vocals only" :lolYea but how many bands have many sections with only vocals? I think that's a bit of an unfair challenge. It'd be better to examine sections where the vocals are the main focus. Like the beginning of Surrounded or Far From Heaven.
What part? The "Mothers for their children" part? That stretches the definition of "vocals only" :lolYea but how many bands have many sections with only vocals? I think that's a bit of an unfair challenge. It'd be better to examine sections where the vocals are the main focus. Like the beginning of Surrounded or Far From Heaven.
A lot of times, it's really obvious that the music was written before the vocals. Something like About to Crash has so much stuff going on under the vocals. It feels like they recorded the music and were like "oh yeah, singing has to happen here. We have to fit it somehow." The music under the vocals is just so melodically and rhythmically dense. It feels like a disservice to JLB a bit.
A lot of times, it's really obvious that the music was written before the vocals. Something like About to Crash has so much stuff going on under the vocals. It feels like they recorded the music and were like "oh yeah, singing has to happen here. We have to fit it somehow." The music under the vocals is just so melodically and rhythmically dense. It feels like a disservice to JLB a bit.
Well, i really liked that, and i think it's something that feels boring these days. JP usually plays some powerchords during the choruses, while on older albums he kept things interesting.
A lot of times, it's really obvious that the music was written before the vocals. Something like About to Crash has so much stuff going on under the vocals. It feels like they recorded the music and were like "oh yeah, singing has to happen here. We have to fit it somehow." The music under the vocals is just so melodically and rhythmically dense. It feels like a disservice to JLB a bit.
Well, i really liked that, and i think it's something that feels boring these days. JP usually plays some powerchords during the choruses, while on older albums he kept things interesting.
Yeah. I don't think a more melodic backing takes anything away from JLB, it just makes the music more densely melodic, and gives JLB more to contrast and harmonize with to create interest.
A lot of times, it's really obvious that the music was written before the vocals. Something like About to Crash has so much stuff going on under the vocals. It feels like they recorded the music and were like "oh yeah, singing has to happen here. We have to fit it somehow." The music under the vocals is just so melodically and rhythmically dense. It feels like a disservice to JLB a bit.
Well, i really liked that, and i think it's something that feels boring these days. JP usually plays some powerchords during the choruses, while on older albums he kept things interesting.
There are definitely times when it makes sense for it to be James (Imagine BMUBMD with John singing those backing screams). But I miss the multiple voice approach as well. It usually added to the songs even though Mike and especially John are quite limited in terms of emotive capacity (and John has very little range). I think the biggest thing is how that translates to the live performances, where post-MP, we've seen some very awkward turns from John (with the whole lipsyncing debate) up there.
He says this is not meant to be musical but I hope that some of the things he showed here gets in the record, specially the 17 and 19 combo with the 32nd notes on the bass.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ37nonagho&feature=youtu.be
I hate to bring up a previous intense debate but I definitely DO NOT mind the backing tracks for vocals. So much better than some of the attempts by other members to replicate James's voice.Totally agreed; I've been listening to older DT live albums like LSFNY on Spotify recently and was struck by how cringeworthy the backing vocals were on some songs.
There are definitely times when it makes sense for it to be James (Imagine BMUBMD with John singing those backing screams). But I miss the multiple voice approach as well. It usually added to the songs even though Mike and especially John are quite limited in terms of emotive capacity (and John has very little range). I think the biggest thing is how that translates to the live performances, where post-MP, we've seen some very awkward turns from John (with the whole lipsyncing debate) up there.
3 weeks later he is still stuck at home because of snow?The north-east has gotten an insane amount of snow over the past few weeks, and in such a way that there's also a ridiculous amount of solid ice everywhere. Like, to an extent where those of us in the north-east think it's a lot of snow. I know that here in Halifax, every time some progress is made in clearing it, more rolls in. Boston has been one of the hardest hit areas too. I could see it being less than easy to get from Boston to New York at the moment.
o_O
You may not be aware of that fact, but I live in Boston. There is no part of Massachusetts where for the last two weeks a person could not just have gotten into a car and driven/flown to New York.
I'm not suggesting anything, but snow is not the reason MM is not in the studio.
You may not be aware of that fact, but I live in Boston. There is no part of Massachusetts where for the last two weeks a person could not just have gotten into a car and driven/flown to New York.
I'm not suggesting anything, but snow is not the reason MM is not in the studio.
Not defending Mike (I have no idea and won't even hazard a guess as to why he is where he is), but I know for me, I put off some non-essential work travel because I didn't want to leave my house unattended. If you get an ice dam, you can get some pretty significant damage in a very short amount of time. Granted, you can also get people to take care of that sort of thing, but still.
I think the reason is really that JP and JR *write* the songs, and there's little point in having MM sit around.
They're the rhythm section, and they're both in the top echelon of their chosen craft (Especially MM).I always felt like JM could be right up there as well, but he just doesn't want to go the extra mile in getting more exposure and making a bigger name out of himself. Although I did hear it once that he has some fundamental flaws in his technique, but I didn't buy it.
I think the reason is really that JP and JR *write* the songs, and there's little point in having MM sit around.
Speaking of JM, it would be nice if EVERY song had an interesting bass line instead of just doubling the guitar. DT12 was a step in the right direction.
Yeah, no kidding.Speaking of JM, it would be nice if EVERY song had an interesting bass line instead of just doubling the guitar. DT12 was a step in the right direction.
Yeah. JP shouldn't double JM's bassline.
Not defending Mike (I have no idea and won't even hazard a guess as to why he is where he is), but I know for me, I put off some non-essential work travel because I didn't want to leave my house unattended. If you get an ice dam, you can get some pretty significant damage in a very short amount of time. Granted, you can also get people to take care of that sort of thing, but still.
I just wish Mangini would be there during the writing process. If he doesn't feel like he is the songwriting type, a simple "I like that guys" can be almost effective during the songwriting process.
I just wish Mangini would be there during the writing process. If he doesn't feel like he is the songwriting type, a simple "I like that guys" can be almost effective during the songwriting process.
He was.
For DT12.
James isn't there, according to his FB.I think the reason is really that JP and JR *write* the songs, and there's little point in having MM sit around.
JM and JLB are there too I assume.
The real issue I think is they liked the environment of the ADTOE sessions a lot. You can't have that with a drum kit in the room.
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.
WILL YOU NEVER BEOPEN AGAINHAPPY?
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.
WILL YOU NEVER BEOPEN AGAINHAPPY?
Neither of those approaches are particularly good. I think people would just like to see the full band writing together and give the songs more time to develop.
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.
WILL YOU NEVER BEOPEN AGAINHAPPY?
Neither of those approaches are particularly good. I think people would just like to see the full band writing together and give the songs more time to develop.
If those approaches are not good, why were they able to produce good songs?
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.
WILL YOU NEVER BEOPEN AGAINHAPPY?
Neither of those approaches are particularly good. I think people would just like to see the full band writing together and give the songs more time to develop.
If those approaches are not good, why were they able to produce good songs?
Just because the approach isn't ideal, doesn't mean it can't produce some good music, after all they're pros. But for me the hit rate has been dropping off on recent albums, and it could benefit from that change in approach.
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.
WILL YOU NEVER BEOPEN AGAINHAPPY?
Neither of those approaches are particularly good. I think people would just like to see the full band writing together and give the songs more time to develop.
If those approaches are not good, why were they able to produce good songs?
Just because the approach isn't ideal, doesn't mean it can't produce some good music, after all they're pros. But for me the hit rate has been dropping off on recent albums, and it could benefit from that change in approach.
Who is the authority to judge what is an ideal approach to creating music? What works for you doe not necessarily works for them. Just like the hit rate dropping off for you could very well be DT getting a second wind for a lot of others, a lot of which are not vocal posters.
From my personal experience, the last thing I would want is somebody lecturing me on what an ideal approach to doing things is when it is obviously working for me.
I always find these "we can not infer anything unless we have a notarized document by DT" notions weird.
JP, JR and MP had been the core writers since SFAM essentially. With MP gone, that left JP and JR. And while they said publicly that the other guys were more involved in the process, evidence for that is spurious at best. JM wrote some lyrics, but James' or MM's influence is not really evident.
I think the basic assumption should be that things were kept as they always had been. JP and JR write the basic songs, and once they got the songs in decent enough shape, they bring in JLB and MM to integrate them.
I think it has served them well for a long time. But I think a lot of fans have that "been there done that" feeling. For me personally it's frustrating to watch a band of such talented guys box themselves in like that.
Calm down, it's called an opinion.
Obviously their current approach works for their schedule, but I don't feel it's the best approach to create the best music they're capable of as a band, and the last couple of albums support my own opinion. Don't care if you agree with it or not.
I think repeating something they've done before is exactly the opposite to what people would like to see :lol
Calm down, it's called an opinion.
Obviously their current approach works for their schedule, but I don't feel it's the best approach to create the best music they're capable of as a band, and the last couple of albums support my own opinion. Don't care if you agree with it or not.
The opinion card again. Just like the so many times that somebody pushes very authoritative strong claims phrased as if a truth proposition like the ideal approach, MM has no groove, MM lacks commitment, HDtracks is a sham, etc. and when somebody actually attempts to engage, the defense becomes it is just an opinion.
I think repeating something they've done before is exactly the opposite to what people would like to see :lol
I think repeating something they've done before is exactly the opposite to what people would like to see :lol
Who are these people? Are they many? Do a substantial amount of DT fans actually even care what they do in the studio?
I mean, the DTF album ranking thread seems to show that many people hate DT12, but if you look at the DT 12 poll, the above average votes significantly outnumber the below average. This has been an observation for a while, that vocal posts are full of negativity about the last record but silent polls tell a different story.
I always find these "we can not infer anything unless we have a notarized document by DT" notions weird.Of course you do. You prefer speculating rather than just accepting that we don't really know.
I feel like that's an unnecessarily black and white way to look at it, but I see what you're saying mateI always find these "we can not infer anything unless we have a notarized document by DT" notions weird.Of course you do. You prefer speculating rather than just accepting that we don't really know.
Even if it turns out later that you were right, you still don't know now. It won't mean then that you knew all along.
That's all I'm saying. I don't care how they do it.
Just chiming in to say that MM IS involved and has been going back and forth quite a bit.
The album is well under way.
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.
WILL YOU NEVER BEOPEN AGAINHAPPY?
Just chiming in to say that MM IS involved and has been going back and forth quite a bit.
The album is well under way.
Awesome! :metal
Btw, out of curiosity (and probably most people are aware already?) but how do you know this and what's your relationship to the band, if you can say?
The only thing we know about what they've been doing in the studio is that we don't know anything.
Everything else is speculation.
We know that MM hasn't been there due to snow. We know that JLB just got there. That's all we know.
Once it was apparent that they wouldn't be there, maybe everything else was put on hold. Maybe the other three guys wrote some stuff. Who knows? Well, the 5 members of DT know, but no one else knows shit.
Either way, the only ones they need to satisfy in whatever writing/recording strategy they settle on is themselves.
We do know that JM has been there all along and has spent all of the coffee budget waiting and has now finished his solo album with no lyrics - of course.
On a more serious note: For DT is the music written first and then lyrics and who decides which songs go to which guy for the lyrics?
I just pulled up his web page and read through his posts. Yes, I saw the one about being "home for days ago and days to come".I've been home every day for about a decade. However I also leave the house virtually every day, especially to go to work.
There's also the one a few days ago that he edited (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43071.msg1929861#msg1929861), which was in the same vein.Yes I saw that.
So TAC, for those of us that don't have access to rumborak's PMs, care to explain why your post is anything other than speculation?Not really. ;D
Just chiming in to say that MM IS involved and has been going back and forth quite a bit.TAC has the inside scoop.
The album is well under way.
As usual Hef is correct in all things.Just chiming in to say that MM IS involved and has been going back and forth quite a bit.TAC has the inside scoop.
The album is well under way.
So TAC, for those of us that don't have access to rumborak's PMs, care to explain why your post is anything other than speculation?Not really. ;D
The snow has definitely been an issue so maybe the "quite a bit" might be a stretch, but there has been back and forth.
I think all of them are reading this thread and laughing their asses off because the album is already finished,
They're also devouring much :corn and taking bets on how many pages this discussion lasts. :lol
There is 1 hidden and 4 guests viewing this thread at the time I am posting this. hmmmmm
I think all of them are reading this thread and laughing their asses off because the album is already finished,
Imagine being a Tool or Metallica fan.
Imagine being a Tool or Metallica fan.
I laughed too much at this :lol
It's time to go to bed.
it's been two years since DT last entered a studio and we're getting antsy already :lol
Imagine being a Tool or Metallica fan.
Imagine being a Tool or Metallica fan.
I laughed too much at this :lol
It's time to go to bed.
I think all of them are reading this thread and laughing their asses off because the album is already finished,
I may disappoint you there... normally, I surf in inprivate until I have something to say; then I log in. Normally when I'm on inprivate, there is only 1 Hidden. Not saying that no one else does that, but it was likely me.
However, I could be wrong... our hidden guest(s) might be one of the guys too.
Imagine being a Mozart fan. Fucking Requiem still isn't finished.:rollin
Imagine being a Mozart fan. Fucking Requiem still isn't finished.
I live in Jersey and in the past 3 weeks have driven to Boston and back 3 times to see a sick family member. weather is not an issue.
LOL No prob. I would be more than willing John.
I'm hoping for something like this:
1- Trial of tears
2- Breaking all illusions
3- Wait for sleep
4- Learning to live
5- Metropolis pt. 1
6- A change of seasons
Just sayin'...
I'm hoping for something like this:
1- Trial of tears
2- Breaking all illusions
3- Wait for sleep
4- Learning to live
5- Metropolis pt. 1
6- A change of seasons
Just sayin'...
We were once told we were getting something like that...
And as I normally never give away song descriptions, titles, lengths, etc....I will say just this:
Imagine a DT album with A Change Of Seasons, Octavarium, Learning To Live, Pull Me Under and The Glass Prison....all on one album....
COULD YOU HANDLE IT???
MP
And as I normally never give away song descriptions, titles, lengths, etc....I will say just this:
Imagine a DT album with A Change Of Seasons, Octavarium, Learning To Live, Pull Me Under and The Glass Prison....all on one album....
COULD YOU HANDLE IT???
MP
Posted this on Mangini's page. Looks like our prayers have been answered! (sorry about the image size)
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Can't see anything.
Posted this on Mangini's page. Looks like our prayers have been answered! (sorry about the image size)
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How about this one?
That's cool.....but I'm confused, does this mean he's there in the studio with them, or is he still snowed in at home?I believe he's in the studio.
I remember that was a little misleading at the time. haha
Comparing to this MP statement, I rather have the silent treatment.
Oh. Well basically, on his FB page I posted "Mangini, I love you man, I really do, but your snare sound is just so..."
And he replied "Changed. :)"
Pretty sure that means they changed his snare sound for this record. hahaha.
Oh. Well basically, on his FB page I posted "Mangini, I love you man, I really do, but your snare sound is just so..."
And he replied "Changed. :)"
Pretty sure that means they changed his snare sound for this record. hahaha.
I'll believe it when I hear it tbh. DT12 was supposed to have chocolate cake guitars and MM unleashed, neither of which really happened.
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Apparently JR posted on facebook that he was on vacation, so I'm not sure what's going on.
Which of those dials controls the temperature of the sun again?
Can't wait to hear whatever song he uses that sweet looking phone on.
Can't wait to hear whatever song he uses that sweet looking phone on.
That would be a prog rendition of Tommy Tutone's Jenny.
Can't wait to hear whatever song he uses that sweet looking phone on.
That would be a prog rendition of Tommy Tutone's Jenny.
Mike Mangini: the world's only drummer who could play in 867/5309 time.
Apparently JR posted on facebook that he was on vacation, so I'm not sure what's going on.
This will piss off a lot of people, but does anyone here know how to produce , play drums, guitar, bass, keyboards, mix etc. If so let me hear your record. I think they have deserved enough credit to TRUST them. Stop putting the cart before the horse.
This will piss off a lot of people, but does anyone here know how to produce , play drums, guitar, bass, keyboards, mix etc. If so let me hear your record.
All I meant was nobody has heard a bit of this album or even the current status.
I think they have deserved enough credit to TRUST them.
I will not argue that because I agree. All I meant was nobody has heard a bit of this album or even the current status.
The Wizard actualy said "I'm chillin out this week. Clearing out the old notes to get ready for the new ones!" Doesn't this mean that he still has to write the music for the new album? At least, this is the way I read it =)That's the way I read it too.
The Wizard actualy said "I'm chillin out this week. Clearing out the old notes to get ready for the new ones!" Doesn't this mean that he still has to write the music for the new album? At least, this is the way I read it =)
If I had to venture a guess as to the status:I think that makes perfect sense.
I think it's reasonably safe to assume that no major songwriting is happening without JP being there. So, given how far they're in, and how MM's UK gig is approaching quickly, I would say they've recorded the basic songs, and now they're (re)recording tracks for instruments (iron out flubs, record solos). Since you usually start with drums and bass for that, MM and JM are likely recording this week.
I really enjoyed JP's tone in DT12, but it doesn't sound the same he used in BTFW. It sounds way more dirty, and not as clear as in DT12, although I liked it too.
But speaking of MM's tooooone, the one he used in BTFW is way better than DT12. I don't know if it's just a matter of production, but the tone itself sounded way better in the live record. Let's wait to see what will change this time around.
Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibsonor a Stratinto a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?
Remember when a guy could just plug aGibson or aStrat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?
Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibsonor a Stratinto a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?
Yes.Remember when a guy could just plug aGibson or aStrat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?
No.
I really enjoyed JP's tone in DT12, but it doesn't sound the same he used in BTFW. It sounds way more dirty, and not as clear as in DT12, although I liked it too.
But speaking of MM's tooooone, the one he used in BTFW is way better than DT12. I don't know if it's just a matter of production, but the tone itself sounded way better in the live record. Let's wait to see what will change this time around.
JP over-thinks things way too much. Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibson or a Strat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone? Go back to basics.
I think it's a combination of his choice of amp and effects. To begin with, he plays Mesa Boogies, which are very compressed. It gives you that beautiful singing lead sound and in-your-face power chords, but it leaves you with virtually no dynamics. For example, doing this stuff will be very hard for him these days.
Secondly, he also has a lot of chorus on his clean sounds. Maybe it's because he's a big fan of Alex Lifeson, but I think it also robs him from a more natural clean sound.
Just got this beautiful Taylor Guitars acoustic. Can't wait to use it on the new DT album!
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So the album WILL contain acustic guitars. ;D
lol
Still, it would be cool to have another acoustic/mostly acoustic song. There weren't any on DT12, unless I'm misremembering?
lol
Still, it would be cool to have another acoustic/mostly acoustic song. There weren't any on DT12, unless I'm misremembering?
Not to my recollection. The only times I recall any acoustic guitar sounds on DT12 were during the beginning verses of Surrender to Reason.
So the album WILL contain acustic guitars. ;D
13 in a row! What are the odds? :lol
So the album WILL contain acustic guitars. ;D
13 in a row! What are the odds? :lol
Hmm, does ToT contain any real acustic guitars? ES intro is acustic but I think it's still his Music Man...
Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibsonor a Stratinto a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?
Yes.Remember when a guy could just plug aGibson or aStrat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?
No.
Perfect. Fender makes good amps and great basses, but their guitars sound ok at best. Gibson's guitars are much better.
CONFIRMED --- Guest artist for DT13: DEREK SHERINIAN
Hold on, wasn't Derek your favourite of the keyboard lot? :huh:CONFIRMED --- Guest artist for DT13: DEREK SHERINIAN
You had me deeply worried there for a few minutes until I finally figured out the picture.
Hold on, wasn't Derek your favourite of the keyboard lot? :huh:CONFIRMED --- Guest artist for DT13: DEREK SHERINIAN
You had me deeply worried there for a few minutes until I finally figured out the picture.
DT co-writing one song with Derek Sherinian on DT13 would almost certainly produce great results.That would be amazing.
I always felt DT could use some collaboration for the occasional track here and there.
CONFIRMED --- Guest artist for DT13: DEREK SHERINIAN
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that beard should have it's own credit on the liner notes.Someone used to do that.
John Petrucci: John Petrucci
Hell, I might even take Emotrucci over his current look.Oh God no
Opening riff of About to Crash Reprise.I'll believe it when I hear it tbh. DT12 was supposed to have chocolate cake guitars and MM unleashed, neither of which really happened.
I agree with you regarding MM, and perhaps I'm not that educated on toooone, but JP's guitars sure sounded thick and cakey to me. Is there a better example of chocolate cake guitars that you know of? I would love to listen to it :metal
He also doubles lots of parts with acoustic, for texture.
I'm wondering if JP had an accident or something and is hiding his face until it has healed.
that beard should have it's own credit on the liner notes.Someone used to do that.
John Petrucci: John Petrucci
I'm wanting to say it was Jon Kalodner.
:metalthat beard should have it's own credit on the liner notes.Someone used to do that.
John Petrucci: John Petrucci
I'm wanting to say it was Jon Kalodner.
Then what you are saying is correct. :tup
That's a beautiful Taylor by the way, that JP is playing.Indeed.
Anna Lee Pt. 2: Analy
Initiate stalking mode:tup
Oh yeah, I love it when he does that on songs like Afterlife and Another Day. :heartHe also doubles lots of parts with acoustic, for texture.His clean/acoustic lines are one of my favorite things about his style, specifically on WDADU and I&W.
He'll never get rid of the beard, because he's Scarred for life. :neverusethis:I'm wondering if JP had an accident or something and is hiding his face until it has healed.Maybe he's still bummed from finding out that he was the one who was actually the killing hand?
JR appears to be in Arizona.Vacation is now over apparently.
Octavarium Pt. II: Hexadecatarium!
Octavarium Pt. II: Hexadecatarium!
But that would be 16 and this is the 13th album.
I'm wondering if JP had an accident or something and is hiding his face until it has healed.
Maybe he's still bummed from finding out that he was the one who was actually the killing hand?
^ that is a little too generalising. While I agree with you somewhat (I don't like Gibson guitars a lot either), it's not that all their guitars are bad. The quality differences between the same models are way too high. There are Gibsons that work beautifully and the next guitar from the same model can be a total clunker. On a guitar-to-guitar basis, at least in my experience, Gibson's quality is not very consistent.
JR appears to be in Arizona.Vacation is now over apparently.
It is such a shame that they can't just grab a camera and share a video here and there. Steven Wilson's HCE studio vignettes added so much to the excitement about the album.
Not sure I would relate it to tabloids. They tend to give information that the celeb in question didn't volunteer.JR appears to be in Arizona.Vacation is now over apparently.
This forum's discussion has reached tabloid magazine levels. (There's nothing else to talk about though, so I can't blame anyone)
It is such a shame that they can't just grab a camera and share a video here and there. Steven Wilson's HCE studio vignettes added so much to the excitement about the album.
They sure did. The 6 Degrees shorts got all of us riled up.
This thread is more like a DT TMZ.
Who knows what MP has in that vault of his!Probably everything, and then some! I wouldn't be surprised if he has every single take of every instrument from all of the DT albums he was involved with, never mind all the jams and other things he recorded during the writing sessions that served as a basis for many songs and lots of parts that were left on the cutting room floor. I'd love to spend a year just going thru and cataloging everything in his vault.
Who knows what MP has in that vault of his!Probably everything, and then some! I wouldn't be surprised if he has every single take of every instrument from all of the DT albums he was involved with, never mind all the jams and other things he recorded during the writing sessions that served as a basis for many songs and lots of parts that were left on the cutting room floor. I'd love to spend a year just going thru and cataloging everything in his vault.
I would've love to have seen the bootleg live DVD of the BC&SL tour that never saw the light of day.
Typical shaky hand holding a cell phone types, complete with muffled sound and black screen every so often when security comes by?
Following on from the discussion about JPs guitar tone, I'm sure he has said in a a few interviews now that when it comes to recording (particularly rhythm tracks) that he plugs straight in to his amp.
And for the guy who said "remember when you could just plug a gibson or a strat into a marshall and get a great tone?" - yup I do. Marshall is one thing, but give me a Musicman over a strat or Gibson any day. Gibsons are horrendously over priced average guitars.
I would've love to have seen the bootleg live DVD of the BC&SL tour that never saw the light of day.Weren't two of the songs broadcast somewhere?
Another Day could be 2013 Thailand
Who knows what MP has in that vault of his!Probably everything, and then some! I wouldn't be surprised if he has every single take of every instrument from all of the DT albums he was involved with, never mind all the jams and other things he recorded during the writing sessions that served as a basis for many songs and lots of parts that were left on the cutting room floor. I'd love to spend a year just going thru and cataloging everything in his vault.
Another Day could be 2013 Thailand
Following on from the discussion about JPs guitar tone, I'm sure he has said in a a few interviews now that when it comes to recording (particularly rhythm tracks) that he plugs straight in to his amp.
And for the guy who said "remember when you could just plug a gibson or a strat into a marshall and get a great tone?" - yup I do. Marshall is one thing, but give me a Musicman over a strat or Gibson any day. Gibsons are horrendously over priced average guitars.
Poor Hetfield, he never realized he had such an awful rhythm tone back in the 80s . . . :'(
Oh trust me, I've tried! He knows how much I'd love to see his vault and the times I've been in his neck of the woods, I've made subtle hints at stopping by for a visit. But it's never come to fruition. Even just to back up his DAT collection (and all his other recordings on cassette) since some of those tapes are 20+ years old now, and who knows how long they'll last? But he's been resistant since he was always busy with other projects, and once he left DT, that stuff took even more of a back seat.Well, why don't you? You're friends, right? Give him a call and tell him you'll be over in a week. If everyone on this forum chipped in a dollar, we could donate in upwards of 100 dollars to supply you with gas or food (take your pick, you don't get both) and you could give us a full report.Who knows what MP has in that vault of his!Probably everything, and then some! I wouldn't be surprised if he has every single take of every instrument from all of the DT albums he was involved with, never mind all the jams and other things he recorded during the writing sessions that served as a basis for many songs and lots of parts that were left on the cutting room floor. I'd love to spend a year just going thru and cataloging everything in his vault.
Everybody in?
Oh trust me, I've tried! He knows how much I'd love to see his vault and the times I've been in his neck of the woods, I've made subtle hints at stopping by for a visit. But it's never come to fruition. Even just to back up his DAT collection (and all his other recordings on cassette) since some of those tapes are 20+ years old now, and who knows how long they'll last? But he's been resistant since he was always busy with other projects, and once he left DT, that stuff took even more of a back seat.
It must be weird for him, yeah. Especially because it's an "unfinished" collection. Of any other band he would just go to the record store or eBay to conclude his collection to the level he desires, but now he sits on this pile of documents that meticulously chronicles one part of the band, but abruptly misses everything from there on. From a collector's point of view it's the worst scenario.I don't think this incompleteness would be an issue. I'm sure he has NO interest in competing it now. But I'm sure it must take away from his experience if he ever listens to them.
^ that is a little too generalising. While I agree with you somewhat (I don't like Gibson guitars a lot either), it's not that all their guitars are bad. The quality differences between the same models are way too high. There are Gibsons that work beautifully and the next guitar from the same model can be a total clunker. On a guitar-to-guitar basis, at least in my experience, Gibson's quality is not very consistent.
Yup pretty much where I was coming from as well.
Did Noel Gallagher play Epiphones? From what I remember they were streets ahead of guitars around the same price range. I read an article I got through an email from Reverb.com about the new range of high end gibbos coming out and the comments...well there seems to be a lot of folk prepared to walk away from Gibson.
To be honest though, I have no beef with what people like and don't like. Gibson, Strats, Marshall, Musicman....all can be top quality and great if that's what you're into. What I took exception to was the Grandadian "In my day we just took a Gibson and plugged it straight in" crap. That kind of comment is so full of patronising bs. So if its not a strat or gibbo plugged into a Marshall, its not legit? Sorry but that's horse crap.
Did Noel Gallagher play Epiphones?
Did Noel Gallagher play Epiphones?
Yep, because ALL 3 of the MUTHAFUCKIN BEATLES guitarists used them. :lol
Did Noel Gallagher play Epiphones?
Yep, because ALL 3 of the MUTHAFUCKIN BEATLES guitarists used them. :lol
He doesn't use Epiphones anymore. He probably did on the first three oasis albums since they're cheaper than Gibsons.
Gallagher was an awesome comedian. Watermelons everywhere.
Don't sit in the front row.
Gallagher was an awesome comedian. Watermelons everywhere.
Don't sit in the front row.
Apparently that went over everyone's head. I think we need an older crowd here. Between the batmobile joke and Gallagher, I think we're coming off as old fuckers.
Gallagher was an awesome comedian. Watermelons everywhere.
Don't sit in the front row.
Apparently that went over everyone's head. I think we need an older crowd here. Between the batmobile joke and Gallagher, I think we're coming off as old fuckers.
I got it just fine. I didn't think I had to acknowledge it.
DID EVERYONE SEE MY JOKE?!?!?!!?
Hef didn't do that. I don't think he cared if anyone got it or not.
Don't you know who I am? .
Don't you know who I am?Why yes, you're the one and only ZookDick!
From MM's Facebook:
The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.
From MM's Facebook:Sounds great!
The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.
From MM's Facebook:
The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.
Well that's good to hear!
:tupGallagher was an awesome comedian. Watermelons everywhere.
Don't sit in the front row.
Apparently that went over everyone's head. I think we need an older crowd here. Between the batmobile joke and Gallagher, I think we're coming off as old fuckers.
From MM's Facebook:
The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.
Well that's good to hear!
Is it? I don't want to be overly pessimistic, but his DT12 snare sound could be described as "gun shot".
From MM's Facebook:
The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.
Well that's good to hear!
Is it? I don't want to be overly pessimistic, but his DT12 snare sound could be described as "gun shot".
The term could apply to almost any snare tone, good or bad. Spinning it in any real direction is really unfair. All we know is MM likes it. Heck, he didn't even say this was what he was using on the album.
From MM's Facebook:
The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.
Well that's good to hear!
Is it? I don't want to be overly pessimistic, but his DT12 snare sound could be described as "gun shot".
I think a lot of people like the gunshot snare of IAW as they love Molly Ringwald :lol It fit the time perfectly, but it's not something that works when brought back.
Her cameo in "Not Another Teen Movie" is great.
Her cameo in "Not Another Teen Movie" is great.
Am I missing something there? :justjen
B.Lee
Again, I don't want to come across as a Negative Nancy, but the Remo P77 is a marching band snare, and I assume you know what those snares sound like.
This is Tony Roster Jr playing a P77:
https://youtu.be/tHJ99HW8jb4
I'm not pretending to understand much of drum sounds, but I definitely understand that it is very hard to coax a marching band snare into anything but a "Pang!". Or, as MM put it, a gunshot. That's what they're *designed* to sound like.
Did Mike's snare actually sound like that live though? In the studio I mean. I always got the impression that it sounds the way it does on the album because it got messed up after it was recorded. How do you even get a snare to sound that bad in real life?
Did Mike's snare actually sound like that live though? In the studio I mean. I always got the impression that it sounds the way it does on the album because it got messed up after it was recorded. How do you even get a snare to sound that bad in real life?
The actual snare was tuned low, but there's also a lot of compression and limiting on the album that makes it sound worse, so it was a combination. I think BTFW is how that snare is supposed to sound.
Their new Facebook profile pic:
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.
Not for me.
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.Was it ever not? The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.Was it ever not? The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?
The only other real date possible would be 1989, when the first album came out.
I remember the debate vaguely, but how JLB as an individual sees it and how the group as a collective sees it aren't necessarily the same thing.Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.Was it ever not? The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?
The only other real date possible would be 1989, when the first album came out.
Have you forgotten the big DTF debate a while back when JLB said that he didn't continue 1985 the anniversary of the band?
I remember the debate vaguely, but how JLB as an individual sees it and how the group as a collective sees it aren't necessarily the same thing.Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.Was it ever not? The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?
The only other real date possible would be 1989, when the first album came out.
Have you forgotten the big DTF debate a while back when JLB said that he didn't continue 1985 the anniversary of the band?
And I'm not sure JLB gets a vote, anyway, since no matter which date is picked, he wasn't there.
Yeah, I'm one of those 1989'ers. Blob's arch nemesis.I see both sides, and I've seen bands do it both ways (for example, Kansas just celebrated their 40th anniversary in 2014, 40 years after the release of their first album). So for me, it's up to the band, and DT appears to have always considered 1985 to be the anniversary.
Yeah, I'm one of those 1989'ers. Blob's arch nemesis.I see both sides, and I've seen bands do it both ways (for example, Kansas just celebrated their 40th anniversary in 2014, 40 years after the release of their first album). So for me, it's up to the band, and DT appears to have always considered 1985 to be the anniversary.
qnice!
Their new Facebook profile pic:
(https://i.imgur.com/rbBgX46.jpg)
I wonder if that'll be the theme of this summer's tour.
I don't think it matters how many people in the band vote for a certain date because quality over quantity.
I wonder if that'll be the theme of this summer's tour.I was under the impression that this summer's tour was limited to European festival dates.
I don't see why it necessarily has to be "greatest." Just bring Chris Collins out onstage for a song and call it a day. Bam!--30th anniversary complete.:|
What, a song is in G? I already don't like the album.
I see no chocolate cake.
CONFIRMED : The new album is a cover of Wings Greatest Hits :neverusethis:
A guitarist that doesn't like G?
That's what she said.A guitarist that doesn't like G?
When followed by the word "spot", I'm all for it.
Strange deja vu. I thought I was in the "moaning" thread again for a second.
Pic from the studio? From JP's Facebook today...
really?
Their new Facebook profile pic:
(https://i.imgur.com/rbBgX46.jpg)
Am I the only one who sees two eyes under the DT logo in that pic?^^ :rollin
really?
What is this in response to?
Discussing DT's public image is "effeminate"? o_O?
Personally, I'm confident enough in my masculinity to discuss DT's hair without feeling uncomfortable.
Personally, I'm confident enough in my masculinity to discuss DT's hair without feeling uncomfortable.
I agree with Prog Snob. If information on the new album is so scarce that we've stooped to the level of criticizing their hair, maybe we should just give it a rest until we have some actual information. :lol
Same here. No offense dude, but equating awareness of looks with being effeminate is 1950s gender stereotype.
Especially when it comes to a band that so clearly makes use of hair extensions and coloring.
the image can only be upheld with hair extensions and dying.
I personally wouldn't mind if they made a clean cut (pun intended) and went for a new image, one which they could maintain for the remainder of their career.
SO HOW ABOUT THAT ALBUM THEY'RE APPARENTLY RECORDING?
I'm sorry if I sounded rude about it.I wouldn't worry about it. You weren't the first. You won't be the last. And none of us are guilt free. It probably wouldn't be that hard to find me doing something similar. I'm sure it's out there.
I'm curious to find out how much of the album will feature a 6 as opposed to a 7. Usually JP keeps it pretty balanced, but will he perhaps lean toward one side this time around?
When it comes to sounds, JP is a very meat-and-potato kind of guy. Delay and chorus, that's usually it.
really?
What is this in response to?
I just think it is kind of mean spirited to talk about Petrucci's hairline. I mean what is constructive about the criticism? There aren't too many things that should be off limits, but talking about their genes should be one of them. Should we ask him to be a little less "Italiany"?
Exactly. It's no different than seeing a long-lost friend of your's for the first time in several years, and later on commenting to your spouse or other friends about a change in their appearance. It's an observation more than anything else, but what he does with his appearance is fair game just like anything else. Shouldn't be the primary topic of conversation (unless he does something controversial) but it's a natural thing to do amongst fans of public figures.really?
What is this in response to?
I just think it is kind of mean spirited to talk about Petrucci's hairline. I mean what is constructive about the criticism? There aren't too many things that should be off limits, but talking about their genes should be one of them. Should we ask him to be a little less "Italiany"?
No we shouldn't ask him that. Quit being silly and touchy. It's not a big deal what so ever what was said.
When it comes to sounds, JP is a very meat-and-potato kind of guy. Delay and chorus, that's usually it.
I agree of course with Blob that if there actually were any news from the studio, we'd likely be discussing that instead. But since there isn't any, this is fair game too.Yeah, basically.
But since there isn't any, this is hair game too.
I agree of course with Blob that if there actually were any news from the studio, we'd likely be discussing that instead. But since there isn't any, this is fair game too.
If the band genuinely have their hair and clothes based on what each of them individually wants and likes, then that's cool. I can't dispute Rumby's point that the "metal" image stepped up a lot when they joined RR and hasn't really decreased much since.
When it comes to sounds, JP is a very meat-and-potato kind of guy. Delay and chorus, that's usually it.
It's better that way, IMO. JP has a very distinguishable sound. If the tone is processed too much, it starts to lose some of that individuality.
Speaking of tones, if I ever meet him I want to ask him about some of the equipment he's used in the past. I'd probably be the first person to ever ask him "How did you get your WDADU tone?"
EDIT: I read that he used a B.C Rich guitar and some Ibanez's, but he doesn't know what amp he used. Damn...
Greetings from the studio-where we are busy writing this album!!https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/582697284326047744
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBYoF3UUIAA1pJR.jpg)
For the record, I don't like JP's beard at all. It doesn't even remotely affect my opinion of their music, but personally I don't think it looks good.
I like Jordan's taste in live Dvds :lolTHIS
Speaking of tones, if I ever meet him I want to ask him about some of the equipment he's used in the past. I'd probably be the first person to ever ask him "How did you get your WDADU tone?"
EDIT: I read that he used a B.C Rich guitar and some Ibanez's, but he doesn't know what amp he used. Damn...
I like Jordan's taste in live Dvds :lolTHIS
8 weeks in the studio and still writing? I wonder if they decided to postpone a US tour to devote more time to the album. IIRC most of their recent output has been written in 2 months or less.It could mean they're taking their time with the writing, maybe they will release the album at the beginning of 2016, which would be a welcome change from them releasing an album every two years. I'm probably saying that because I wasn't that impressed with DT12, otherwise I wouldn't mind them following the trend.
QuoteGreetings from the studio-where we are busy writing this album!!https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/582697284326047744
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBYoF3UUIAA1pJR.jpg)
8 weeks in the studio and still writing? I wonder if they decided to postpone a US tour to devote more time to the album. IIRC most of their recent output has been written in 2 months or less.
That's Eddie Van Halen playing a keyboard from a concert in 1986 or so.Eddie Van Halen on August 27th, 1986 in New Haven, Connecticut at the New Haven Coliseum playing Why Can't This Be Love on the Live Without A Net VHS/DVD
See above rumbo - it's EVH on the Van Halen Live Without A Net DVD.
That's Eddie Van Halen playing a keyboard from a concert in 1986 or so.Eddie Van Halen on August 27th, 1986 in New Haven, Connecticut at the New Haven Coliseum playing Why Can't This Be Love on the Live Without A Net VHS/DVD
Thank you Good Night
From JR's fb account:
"Today's pic from the studio:"
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11077925_10152854287207989_4654001319436765200_n.jpg?oh=329f456f6f8ef3f17dc7f2e2d1b6bb55&oe=55A105CC&__gda__=1437455785_97dd5b5e13ddf277efba73bc5477ad0c)
Did JP cut his hair, or is just the edited photo that is playing tricks? :o
It would be cool if Roth-era Van Halen was in the inspiration corner (which may no longer exist, R.I.P. since MP's departure).
It would be cool if Roth-era Van Halen was in the inspiration corner (which may no longer exist, R.I.P. since MP's departure).What specifically about the Roth era? The aggressive and angry guitar tone on Fair Warning was what came to my mind
I can't wait to see JR's Jack Daniels keytar.Myung can have the Tabasco bass
Progressive rock titans Dream Theater are currently hard at work on album number 13, which is due in September – but the groundwork for the album goes surprisingly far back. “The process started two years ago,” says guitarist John Petrucci. “The seed was planted during the promo trip for the previous album, in August 2013, and it’s something that we started to work on a little bit on the road from last January.”
Petrucci and keyboard player Jordan Rudess began putting the songs together in November 2014, with sessions beginning this February. Petrucci is remaining tight-lipped about the direction for now. “We don’t like to reveal anything this early,” he says. “And the reason is because it’s fun to do that! I think it makes it more interesting as it gets closer and you finally start to hear about it, as opposed to a built-up type of thing. We still write albums, as apposed to singles, with the mindset that people will listen to it like they’re sitting down to watch a movie. You don’t watch the first seven minutes – you sit down and watch a movie from beginning to end.”
Petrucci’s songwriting demos begin in a very stripped-down form, often as simply as an iPhone recording. “It could be as crude as me singing an idea, or playing my guitar amplified or unplugged – however an idea occurs,” he says. “Jordan does the same. Then it’s a matter of sifting through, figuring out what’s usable and what’s not. When we write together like that we focus more on what the vocal sections are, main themes… sometimes we’ll go off into instrumental parts but we save a lot of that for when we’re all together and we can jam it out.”
Idk if this has been posted...Due in September? My lord... Also, that other info sounds amazing. I have a feeling that the easter egg at the end of IT is going to be some sort of recurring theme on the new album.QuoteProgressive rock titans Dream Theater are currently hard at work on album number 13, which is due in September – but the groundwork for the album goes surprisingly far back. “The process started two years ago,” says guitarist John Petrucci. “The seed was planted during the promo trip for the previous album, in August 2013, and it’s something that we started to work on a little bit on the road from last January.”
Petrucci and keyboard player Jordan Rudess began putting the songs together in November 2014, with sessions beginning this February. Petrucci is remaining tight-lipped about the direction for now. “We don’t like to reveal anything this early,” he says. “And the reason is because it’s fun to do that! I think it makes it more interesting as it gets closer and you finally start to hear about it, as opposed to a built-up type of thing. We still write albums, as apposed to singles, with the mindset that people will listen to it like they’re sitting down to watch a movie. You don’t watch the first seven minutes – you sit down and watch a movie from beginning to end.”
Petrucci’s songwriting demos begin in a very stripped-down form, often as simply as an iPhone recording. “It could be as crude as me singing an idea, or playing my guitar amplified or unplugged – however an idea occurs,” he says. “Jordan does the same. Then it’s a matter of sifting through, figuring out what’s usable and what’s not. When we write together like that we focus more on what the vocal sections are, main themes… sometimes we’ll go off into instrumental parts but we save a lot of that for when we’re all together and we can jam it out.”
Source: Guitar World - April 2015
JR's got a problem with image editing apps."Hi, my name is Jordan and I'm an image-editoholic."
From JR's fb account:
"Today's pic from the studio:"
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11077925_10152854287207989_4654001319436765200_n.jpg?oh=329f456f6f8ef3f17dc7f2e2d1b6bb55&oe=55A105CC&__gda__=1437455785_97dd5b5e13ddf277efba73bc5477ad0c)
Did JP cut his hair, or is just the edited photo that is playing tricks? :o
Dude, it's April 1st. There is no release date yet.
The story is legit, because there actually is an article on DT in the latest issue of Guitar World: https://www.guitarworld.com/april-2015-guitar-world-joe-satriani-tosin-abasi-and-guthrie-govan-plus-zakk-wylde-exodus-and-moreQuoteProgressive rock titans Dream Theater are currently hard at work on album number 13, which is due in SeptemberSource: Guitar World - April 2015
I wonder if he's putting effects on the pictures so we can't ninja search any fine details that may or may not be written on pieces of paper :lol The laptop looks really cool in that most recent picture. It's like a portal to another dimension. I don't really mind all the effects, really. They look cool and stuff.
It would be cool if Roth-era Van Halen was in the inspiration corner (which may no longer exist, R.I.P. since MP's departure).What specifically about the Roth era? The aggressive and angry guitar tone on Fair Warning was what came to my mind
I like how the music is blurred outCouple it with that cynical JR expression, the whole scene becomes hilarious. He's like "Ha, try to decipher the music this time. Sucka!"
"Big day in the studio. The excitement is growing. Here is a pic from today."
(https://i.imgur.com/cUIQbG1.png)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too :lol :lol I love it!I like how the music is blurred outCouple it with that cynical JR expression, the whole scene becomes hilarious. He's like "Ha, try to decipher the music this time. Sucka!"
Why did that JR face remind me of UkaUka from Crash Bandicoot? o.o I think there's something wrong with me.
So it's pretty much confirmed there will be keyboards on the album.
So it's pretty much confirmed there will be keyboards on the album.
Surely there is keyboards on this album.
And don't call me Shirley.
(https://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Leslie-Nielsen-in-Airplane.jpg)
"Big day in the studio. The excitement is growing. Here is a pic from today."
(https://i.imgur.com/cUIQbG1.png)
Why did that JR face remind me of UkaUka from Crash Bandicoot? o.o I think there's something wrong with me.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I would just interpret "guests" as their openers/support acts.
Hugh Syme makes concert posters too now?
Maybe I'm wrong, but I would just interpret "guests" as their openers/support acts.are you over analyzing a bit. :lol Of course is means an opening band. It;s always meant that.
Guests? :eek :omg: :o
Still seems funny to me. What else could it be? :lol
It says: "An historic concert"Hyperbole?
:omg:
It says: "An historic concert"Hyperbole?
:omg:
Promotion?
Dare I say...
Derek Sherinian?
Opening act: Nicky Spanjaards and the Bleeding Ears
Opening act: Adrenaline Mob going Psychosane
(Exact lineup, please check on day of concert)
oh snapOpening act: Adrenaline Mob going Psychosane
(Exact lineup, please check on day of concert)
FTFY
(https://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Leslie-Nielsen-in-Airplane.jpg)
Now I can see it too! :lolWhy did that JR face remind me of UkaUka from Crash Bandicoot? o.o I think there's something wrong with me.HAHAHA, if there's something wrong with you, it's contagious, because I thought the same thing!!!
Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.
Oh, a ballad. Nice.Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.
ok I ran it through the filter half a dozen times. Here is what I came up with:
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Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.
ok I ran it through the filter half a dozen times. Here is what I came up with:
(https://i55.tinypic.com/fkwffc.gif)
Hugh Syme makes concert posters too now?
JP (not from the studio) bbqing again. That looks damn tasty.
(https://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/11120533_936143056437707_2061180061049528001_n_zpspokbeb2p.jpg)
1. Add meat
2. Add heat
3. Add pepper and salt
Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.
ok I ran it through the filter half a dozen times. Here is what I came up with:
(https://i55.tinypic.com/fkwffc.gif)
1. Add meat
2. Play Steam of Consciousness
3. Add salt and pepper
Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.
ok I ran it through the filter half a dozen times. Here is what I came up with:
(https://i55.tinypic.com/fkwffc.gif)
Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.
ok I ran it through the filter half a dozen times. Here is what I came up with:
(https://i55.tinypic.com/fkwffc.gif)
Would NOT be surprised if some Asian band actually learned and performed that.
Uh oh... with the lack of updates and studio photos, are we going to descend into a discussion about beauty tips now? ;)
The lack of updates from DT actually gives me comfort that the band is working in the studio.
My guess is studio documentary.
Jordan seems to have some tics?
https://phhhoto.com/i/cIkLsE89ue8
Somewhat related to your post, Kotow, but I find just about every new instrument he's showcased in the last 5 years sounds the same. He posted a video the other day with a "Linnstrument" but frankly I can't tell the difference to the Continuum, or the Seaboard, or whatever.
The quietness from the band, plus the fact that they said they had the idea for the next album on the last tour, makes me think they have decided to do another concept album or something very, very different.
The quietness from the band, plus the fact that they said they had the idea for the next album on the last tour, makes me think they have decided to do another concept album or something very, very different.
Single album, though.
Jordan seems to have some tics?
https://phhhoto.com/i/cIkLsE89ue8
What time signature is he doing that in? That's the new album's time signature. NUGGETZZZ
Single album, though.
Wasteland: shatterer of hopes and dreams.
Reading the posts about the amount of information we're getting from DT about the recording of this album makes me realize how spoiled we are, as a whole, by bands today with social media.
I mean, back in the day, we were lucky if we got this in a magazine, a few months after the band actually started recording because that's how print media deadlines used to work: "Band A is the studio with Producer X recording the follow up to album Y. They expect it to be out by the end of the year." And sometimes, that was it. You tended to not get big things like the title until just before release, and you rarely if ever got track listings. Hell it wasn't uncommon for a band or act to put out a press release with an album title and then change the title before the news cycle of the day could catch up with it. (Ozzy Obsourne's The Ultimate Sin was touted as being called Killer of Giants in magazine articles, and most people found out about the last minute change in title when they bought the album.)
I guess that's why when bands don't put out in studio photos and videos and we don't know the track listings months out, I just pay it little mind. It's how bands used to do things.
I predict we'll be getting an announcement soon. They have been SO quiet.
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we have NO album specifics before the tour dates. Those all seem to be, for the most part, regular summer festival dates, and they may not have anything to do with the new music.I'm with Hef on this one. Being that they said this run thru Europe are the only shows they're doing this year, it's evident that they are not tied to supporting the new album that they are working on, just as was the case with their "Escape from the Studio" tour with QR in 2003. I can't remember when they announced all the info and cover art for ToT, but I know that it was after that tour was over, being that they were writing lyrics on that tour (which is generally where the title comes from, either directly or indirectly).
If they played those European shows without playing a new tune, that would be sad though.But not unexpected.
I mean, they may well release some specific info around that time, to drum up interest. But I just doubt that the festival tour has anything to do with the new album, so I doubt any new music will be played.On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we have NO album specifics before the tour dates. Those all seem to be, for the most part, regular summer festival dates, and they may not have anything to do with the new music.I'm with Hef on this one. Being that they said this run thru Europe are the only shows they're doing this year, it's evident that they are not tied to supporting the new album that they are working on, just as was the case with their "Escape from the Studio" tour with QR in 2003. I can't remember when they announced all the info and cover art for ToT, but I know that it was after that tour was over, being that they were writing lyrics on that tour (which is generally where the title comes from, either directly or indirectly).
edit: Just found on MP's website that apparently the info about ToT leaked around Sept. 22nd, a couple months before they planned on making the announcement themselves (and a month and a half after their summer run with QR ended). So if this next album follows a similar pattern, I wouldn't expect any album info until October or November.
I mean, they may well release some specific info around that time, to drum up interest. But I just doubt that the festival tour has anything to do with the new album, so I doubt any new music will be played.On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we have NO album specifics before the tour dates. Those all seem to be, for the most part, regular summer festival dates, and they may not have anything to do with the new music.I'm with Hef on this one. Being that they said this run thru Europe are the only shows they're doing this year, it's evident that they are not tied to supporting the new album that they are working on, just as was the case with their "Escape from the Studio" tour with QR in 2003. I can't remember when they announced all the info and cover art for ToT, but I know that it was after that tour was over, being that they were writing lyrics on that tour (which is generally where the title comes from, either directly or indirectly).
edit: Just found on MP's website that apparently the info about ToT leaked around Sept. 22nd, a couple months before they planned on making the announcement themselves (and a month and a half after their summer run with QR ended). So if this next album follows a similar pattern, I wouldn't expect any album info until October or November.
I would imagine the album will be released later in the year, with a supporting tour next year.
I mean, they may well release some specific info around that time, to drum up interest. But I just doubt that the festival tour has anything to do with the new album, so I doubt any new music will be played.It is possible that they could say something earlier, and especially since MP doesn't take the lead in the announcements anymore, it is possible that things might be handled differently. But if they aren't planning on releasing the album until towards the end of the year, they probably wouldn't want to release the details about it too far in advance, which was the issue that MP/DT had with the ToT info leaking 2 months before they intended to make the announcement. They didn't want to much speculation going on, which still happened - I remember people worried that ToT was gonna be a Christian album, based strictly on the song titles and the fact that MP had been working with Neal Morse - how wrong they were!
I would imagine the album will be released later in the year, with a supporting tour next year.
I'm pretty sure that in recent years the festival dates never showcased new music.They haven't played material that hasn't been released since 2002 (SDoIT was released a few days after the start of the European tour), and really since 1996-1997, when they previewed material that later ended up on FII. With the advent of smart phones and digital cameras (nevermind those sneaky taping guys!) it's highly unlikely DT will ever preview unreleased material live ever again.
I'm pretty sure that in recent years the festival dates never showcased new music.They haven't played material that hasn't been released since 2002 (SDoIT was released a few days after the start of the European tour), and really since 1996-1997, when they previewed material that later ended up on FII. With the advent of smart phones and digital cameras (nevermind those sneaky taping guys!) it's highly unlikely DT will ever preview unreleased material live ever again.
Without a song from WDADU and DT13, the concert wouldn't cover 30 years of DT, just 28 years at most.What does that matter? They are just celebrating their 30th anniversary this year. That doesn't mean they have to play something from every single year.
They're celebrating the band existing for 30 years. The only thing necessary to celebrate that is continuing to exist. :lol:metal
Without a song from WDADU and DT13, the concert wouldn't cover 30 years of DT, just 28 years at most.
No no, please no.Without a song from WDADU and DT13, the concert wouldn't cover 30 years of DT, just 28 years at most.
The fault in that logic is that 30 years means starting in 1985, so then they would have to play something from the Majesty days too right?
No no, please no.Without a song from WDADU and DT13, the concert wouldn't cover 30 years of DT, just 28 years at most.
The fault in that logic is that 30 years means starting in 1985, so then they would have to play something from the Majesty days too right?
'A Vision' is alright. Terrible vocals, awful production, but there's a decent track somewhere behind the mess. Or maybe it's just compared to the others.I think it is just as compared to the others.
In 2011 they played OTBOA during the summer tour, though that might have only been to make Mangini a little more comfortable by giving him one of "his" songs to play.I mean, they may well release some specific info around that time, to drum up interest. But I just doubt that the festival tour has anything to do with the new album, so I doubt any new music will be played.On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we have NO album specifics before the tour dates. Those all seem to be, for the most part, regular summer festival dates, and they may not have anything to do with the new music.I'm with Hef on this one. Being that they said this run thru Europe are the only shows they're doing this year, it's evident that they are not tied to supporting the new album that they are working on, just as was the case with their "Escape from the Studio" tour with QR in 2003. I can't remember when they announced all the info and cover art for ToT, but I know that it was after that tour was over, being that they were writing lyrics on that tour (which is generally where the title comes from, either directly or indirectly).
edit: Just found on MP's website that apparently the info about ToT leaked around Sept. 22nd, a couple months before they planned on making the announcement themselves (and a month and a half after their summer run with QR ended). So if this next album follows a similar pattern, I wouldn't expect any album info until October or November.
I would imagine the album will be released later in the year, with a supporting tour next year.
I'm pretty sure that in recent years the festival dates never showcased new music.
In 2011 they played OTBOA during the summer tour, though that might have only been to make Mangini a little more comfortable by giving him one of "his" songs to play.While the full album had not been released yet, OtBoA had been released to the public as the lead-off single, so that's why it was played on that warm-up/opening leg of the tour. It had nothing to do with making MM more comfortable, nor was the band previewing a new song that had not been released yet.
In 2011 they played OTBOA during the summer tour, though that might have only been to make Mangini a little more comfortable by giving him one of "his" songs to play.While the full album had not been released yet, OtBoA had been released to the public as the lead-off single, so that's why it was played on that warm-up/opening leg of the tour. It had nothing to do with making MM more comfortable, nor was the band previewing a new song that had not been released yet.
Can you imagine them introducing something as "A New Song" and then they break out in to like PMU or something. lolThey already did that with OtBoA on the opening leg of the Dramatic tour... :omg: :biggrin:
I know! And to think those scumbags did that to both Derek and JR when they joined the band, not even playing *any* songs they were involved in at their respective first shows!! Jerks! :biggrin:How dare a person join a band and then is forced to play their back catalog!! It's so uncomfortable!In 2011 they played OTBOA during the summer tour, though that might have only been to make Mangini a little more comfortable by giving him one of "his" songs to play.While the full album had not been released yet, OtBoA had been released to the public as the lead-off single, so that's why it was played on that warm-up/opening leg of the tour. It had nothing to do with making MM more comfortable, nor was the band previewing a new song that had not been released yet.
This is just me spitballing,Don't be doing that here son, or I'll have to send you to the principal's office!!!
but it would seem to me that they either release a single *before* the European tour, or after it. I would think people would be miffed if halfway during the tour they start playing a new tune.There's no way they'd start playing a new song midway thru the tour unless the album was released at that time, which is exactly what happened on the opening/warm-up leg of the Black Clouds tour. BCaSL was released midway into that leg of the tour, and at that point MP started including not only ARoP, but also ANtR in the set.
I know they had already released the song. I was just saying that perhaps they released it that early so they could play it during the summer festivals. And I guess I shouldn't have said to make him more comfortable. Just to give him a chance to show the audience what DT sounds like with Mangini's fills and style.Right, but the point that is being discussed is whether they would perform a song that has not yet been released on this upcoming summer run of shows in Europe - not anything to do with MM being more comfortable or showing the audience his style.
Can you imagine them introducing something as "A New Song" and then they break out in to like PMU or something. lolThey already did that with OtBoA on the opening leg of the Dramatic tour... :omg: :biggrin:
Can you imagine them introducing something as "A New Song" and then they break out in to like PMU or something. lolThey already did that with OtBoA on the opening leg of the Dramatic tour... :omg: :biggrin:
Damnit I was going to make that joke but you already beat me to it
Somewhat related to your post, Kotow, but I find just about every new instrument he's showcased in the last 5 years sounds the same. He posted a video the other day with a "Linnstrument" but frankly I can't tell the difference to the Continuum, or the Seaboard, or whatever.
Great! I wonder what he meant about it being a bit different... :P
Great! I wonder what he meant about it being a bit different... :P
Dream Theater: Duets
Great! I wonder what he meant about it being a bit different... :P
Dream Theater: Duets
DT: Acapella
They entered the studio 2.5 months ago and only started writing a month ago? I wonder what they were doing for a month and a half.
They entered the studio 2.5 months ago and only started writing a month ago? I wonder what they were doing for a month and a half.Working on a coffee order.
They entered the studio 2.5 months ago and only started writing a month ago? I wonder what they were doing for a month and a half.Working on a coffee order.
Here is the video of Jordan demonstrating the Seaboard and jamming with Marco Parisi and Elijah Woods.
https://youtu.be/QZYdOa6pmqI
Here is the video of Jordan demonstrating the Seaboard and jamming with Marco Parisi and Elijah Woods.
https://youtu.be/QZYdOa6pmqI
The poor guy's name is Elijah Wood? Oh man.
For a good solid minute I tried to make out if that was THE Frodo Baggins. The mind plays tricks on you when you're going on...60 hours with no sleep.
For a good solid minute I tried to make out if that was THE Frodo Baggins. The mind plays tricks on you when you're going on...60 hours with no sleep.
I have no idea why you're doing that, but I couldn't even make 24 probably.
(https://i.imgur.com/7Y7Snov.jpg)
Beat ya to it! :P I already made that comparison in the thread about JP's beard here:(https://i.imgur.com/7Y7Snov.jpg)
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John Petrucci 2045:
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Isn't MM going on tour tomorrow?
Thank god for friends who work at venues, just scored free tickets to the UK gig in philly and just met Mangini on their way in! :metal
Signed my dt12 vinyl and LALP book :tup
Thank god for friends who work at venues, just scored free tickets to the UK gig in philly and just met Mangini on their way in! :metal
Signed my dt12 vinyl and LALP book :tup
Congrats man :metal
That would be a highlight of my life if that ever happened to me.
Thank god for friends who work at venues, just scored free tickets to the UK gig in philly and just met Mangini on their way in! :metal
Signed my dt12 vinyl and LALP book :tup
John Petrucci 2045:
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You didn't know this? How do you think they came up with the solo in Trial of Tears?Yeah, no kidding.
Anyway, we're almost in May, it's time for some official news?
Even though I usually prefer the regular studio-videos and updates routine, I must say I'm digging this secretive approach at the moment.So am I. I think it's interesting
Dunno, I personally don't think it's the greatest PR move. It's not as if DT is in a stage of their career where hordes of people are sitting on the edge of their seat waiting for the next release. If that was the case, radio silence could build suspense. But right now, frankly, the DT section has tumbleweed rolling through it.
I don't know, don't you get the impression that the die-hards are dwindling too?I partially agree with you. I wouldn't say that the die-hard fans are dwindling, but I do love seeing studio updates. I think it's really just about getting a balance between keeping people happy and keeping it "shrouded in mystery." I think that at the moment, they're perhaps doing a little too much of the latter, however.
And maybe it's just me, seeing some studio footage always excites me, particularly when it has a few snippets of music in it. Steven Wilson's studio vignettes were freaking awesome.
Back when Mangini first joined Dream Theater - it was nigh on impossible to find a video clip of him playing or soloing on YouTube that wasn't diabolical audio.This video was on YouTube a long time ago, now they uploaded again after years of absence. It has by far the best audio quality of any MM drum solo, and the playing is extremely fun to watch and listen to as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxiMuk3FkIY
I prefer Donati's interpretation. I still think that DT would have done a huge step forward with him on drums, but nevermind.I second this. Donati has such a unique style and technique, feels like he's in a different league than everyone else. I think if DT wanted to explore uncharted territories, freshen up their style, kick their technical side up a notch, and integrate technical fusion elements into their music, Donati would have been the way to go. Understandably, that never was their intention and, apparently, Donati wasn't keen on joining either. I'm perfectly happy with MM, ADTOE, DT12 and BTFW are among my very favorites, but still, a DT album with Donati is a big "what if" fantasy of mine.
But right now, frankly, the DT section has tumbleweed rolling through it.Yeah, no kidding. I'm no veteran, but since I joined the forum (2012) it never was this deserted, not even close. Were there other slow periods like this or did we just hit rock bottom?
Yeah, no kidding. I'm no veteran, but since I joined the forum (2012) it never was this deserted, not even close. Were there other slow periods like this or did we just hit rock bottom?
I don't know, don't you get the impression that the die-hards are dwindling too?
And maybe it's just me, seeing some studio footage always excites me, particularly when it has a few snippets of music in it. Steven Wilson's studio vignettes were freaking awesome.
Yeah, no kidding. I'm no veteran, but since I joined the forum (2012) it never was this deserted, not even close. Were there other slow periods like this or did we just hit rock bottom?
Well, this is a bit of an unspoken reality around here, but DTF has been steadily dwindling. Check out https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?action=stats ,specifically when you expand the month-by-month stats at the bottom. These days we just barely make it over 10k posts per month, when even in 2011 is was still more than 3 times as many. Google Trends for the term "Dream Theater" looks very similar.
Yeah, no kidding. I'm no veteran, but since I joined the forum (2012) it never was this deserted, not even close. Were there other slow periods like this or did we just hit rock bottom?
Well, this is a bit of an unspoken reality around here, but DTF has been steadily dwindling. Check out https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?action=stats ,specifically when you expand the month-by-month stats at the bottom. These days we just barely make it over 10k posts per month, when even in 2011 is was still more than 3 times as many. Google Trends for the term "Dream Theater" looks very similar.
There's definitely no point in following any of their social media. They're all just auto-generated marketing entries generated by management.
There's definitely no point in following any of their social media. They're all just auto-generated marketing entries generated by management.
Except for Jordan. He's obviously been watching too much Scooby Doo in the studio.
That might be, but activity on online forums in general is down a lot over the years, largely because I think younger people tend to go now more towards social media rather than forums. Activity on this site is still pretty high, especially considering we are in an in between period for the band at the moment.
Now that I think of it, do we have something like spotify numbers btw? And how does this affect the band?
I posted it in the Haken thread, but I'll post it here too:
"With @mikeportnoy Max and @erenbasbug at the Haken and Next to None show in NYC tonight!"
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I've read that in March FB started to remove page likes from inactive accounts, and as a result all pages have less likes than they did at the beginning of the year.That might be, but activity on online forums in general is down a lot over the years, largely because I think younger people tend to go now more towards social media rather than forums. Activity on this site is still pretty high, especially considering we are in an in between period for the band at the moment.DT's facebook likes have also dropped with 3,81% (almost 150'000) since september last year. Yeah I like statistics..
Love to get an update from the band since they went in about 2 months ago. Kinda wish they would drop an EP soon too.I don't think they'll do that. The Wither EP was just a promo, and CoS was, if I remember correctly, because the fans wanted an official release of the song, but it had to be on an EP, not a full length, to keep the label happy...
Love to get an update from the band since they went in about 2 months ago. Kinda wish they would drop an EP soon too.I don't think they'll do that. The Wither EP was just a promo, and CoS was, if I remember correctly, because the fans wanted an official release of the song, but it had to be on an EP, not a full length, to keep the label happy...
Yeah, I hear ya. I'd just love to hear some word or new snippet about now... I wonder how their side stuff is going. Like JPs solo album for instance. He mentioned it like a year ago or something. :yarr
Now that I think of it, do we have something like spotify numbers btw? And how does this affect the band?
Dream Theater has 180'403 followers on Spotify. As to how that affects the band, no idea.
Per follower, or in total? The first scenario is very much and the second is very little.
Does it really matter? Maybe it would be more fun if they pulled a Bowie or Radiohead and simply went "The new album is coming out next week." I mean, whatever, updates and small videos are all fine, but it's not really crucial in my opinion.
Does it really matter? Maybe it would be more fun if they pulled a Bowie or Radiohead and simply went "The new album is coming out next week." I mean, whatever, updates and small videos are all fine, but it's not really crucial in my opinion.
Dunno, just my personal taste I guess. To me, DT's allure often was that they were the parked Ferrari with the hood propped up. You'd walk up, and just be mesmerized by how everything worked, all those intricate parts, and you knew how everything worked and still be enthralled by the orchestration of all those independently moving parts, coming together to produce that infernal roar you love.
Sorry, maybe a bit too nostalgic/poetic :lol I just miss the days where there was no metal pretense, no neck beards; no click tracks, no taped backing vocals. They were the Beastie Boys of metal, the guys who wore sneakers, who played just plain good music because the world needed to have that music in existence.
"Vibing in the studio on a beautiful Steinway grand."Love how the top rated facebook comment is "How did you learn to play like that?" half expecting a response from Jordan of "you can never be like me! Don't even attempt it"
https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/10152922658377989/?_rdr
I just miss the days where there was no metal pretense, no neck beards; no click tracks, no taped backing vocals. They were the Beastie Boys of metal, the guys who wore sneakers, who played just plain good music because the world needed to have that music in existence.Nicely put, I feel your sentiments. I could do without the metull, the beards, the dyed hair (ew!), the click tracks and the backing vocals as well, I'd certainly prefer the alternative in all these cases. I remember watching the Live in Tokyo commentary and JP mentioned how he looked like Jerry Seinfeld with the clean shave and the white sneakers, and - as an avid Seinfeld fan, among other things - I was like "yeah, these guys were way cooler back in those days."
Who's restricting him?
"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"CAN U HANDLE IT??!?!?
"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:
I would take every song on Black Clouds except for A Rite of Passage over the snoozefest that is Octavarium.I love both...
#controversialopinion
I guess I'm alone on this, but I actually prefer FII a bit more than I&W.
I would take every song on Black Clouds except for A Rite of Passage over the snoozefest that is Octavarium.
/controversialopinion
I guess I'm alone on this, but I actually prefer FII a bit more than I&W.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLScpWIbxjY
Hello, update, anyone? >:( They're in the studio since february. Portnoy would have kept the interest in the band going.
Hello, update, anyone? >:( They're in the studio since february. Portnoy would have kept the interest in the band going.
So why is my interest in the band even STRONGER right now WITHOUT daily social spam and minutiae?
I guess I'm alone on this, but I actually prefer FII a bit more than I&W.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLScpWIbxjY
I'd rank FII just a smidge behind IaW, but it's close enough that I would like to join your club so we can listen to FII.
I guess I'm alone on this, but I actually prefer FII a bit more than I&W.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLScpWIbxjY
I'd rank FII just a smidge behind IaW, but it's close enough that I would like to join your club so we can listen to FII.
I rank Falling Into Infinity above Awake.
If you look for the word "grower" in the dictionary, you will find "FII". ;)
If you look for the word "grower" in the dictionary, you will find "FII". ;)
If you look for the word "grower" in the dictionary, you will find "FII". ;)
Actually I find Systematic Chaos in my dictionary. ;)
If you look for the word "grower" in the dictionary, you will find "FII". ;)
Actually I find Systematic Chaos in my dictionary. ;)
TRUE. Right beside ;)
If you look for the word "grower" in the dictionary, you will find "FII". ;)
Actually I find Systematic Chaos in my dictionary. ;)
TRUE. Right beside ;)
Train of Thought falls under that category for me.
Pretty sure it was:"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:
The Best of Times=ACOS
The Count of Tuscany=Octavarium
it gets trickier from here
The Glass Prison could be both TSF and ANTR.
LTL=AROP? Wither?
PMU=?
Pretty sure it was:"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:
The Best of Times=ACOS
The Count of Tuscany=Octavarium
it gets trickier from here
The Glass Prison could be both TSF and ANTR.
LTL=AROP? Wither?
PMU=?
ANtR = ACoS
ARoP = PMU
Wither = none
TSF = TGP
TBoT = LtL
TCoT = 8v
Pretty sure it was:"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:
The Best of Times=ACOS
The Count of Tuscany=Octavarium
it gets trickier from here
The Glass Prison could be both TSF and ANTR.
LTL=AROP? Wither?
PMU=?
ANtR = ACoS
ARoP = PMU
Wither = none
TSF = TGP
TBoT = LtL
TCoT = 8v
If you ask me, none of those compare well at all.
The Count of Tuscany > Octavarium
COME AT ME
The Count of Tuscany > Octavarium
COME AT ME
The Count of Tuscany > Octavarium
COME AT ME
Pretty sure it was:"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:
The Best of Times=ACOS
The Count of Tuscany=Octavarium
it gets trickier from here
The Glass Prison could be both TSF and ANTR.
LTL=AROP? Wither?
PMU=?
ANtR = ACoS
ARoP = PMU
Wither = none
TSF = TGP
TBoT = LtL
TCoT = 8v
The comparisons might not be great, but I think we're talking about general feel/song length, not carbon copy and/or structure like IaW/ADToE. I know that the ARoP to PMU comparison is correct for a fact (heavy, catchy, 8 minute-ish songs). If the others are incorrect, then what do you think they'd be otherwise?Pretty sure it was:"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:
The Best of Times=ACOS
The Count of Tuscany=Octavarium
it gets trickier from here
The Glass Prison could be both TSF and ANTR.
LTL=AROP? Wither?
PMU=?
ANtR = ACoS
ARoP = PMU
Wither = none
TSF = TGP
TBoT = LtL
TCoT = 8v
Those are some poor comparisons, Scotty. Wouldn't you agree? Maybe TSF = TGP, but that's because some of the same melodies appear in both songs.
The Count of Tuscany > Octavarium:hifive:
. . .and CoS was, if I remember correctly, because the fans wanted an official release of the song, but it had to be on an EP, not a full length, to keep the label happy...
The Count of Tuscany > Octavarium:hifive:
Not even sure anymore, but I just know that that quote became kind of a running joke, because the new songs did not match up to their supposed past counterparts, when Portnoy probably meant they were similar in style, but when you compare new songs to old classics, comparing the quality will happen, which is why I think that is one case where the pre-album hype came back to bite them a little bit (since the album isn't that popular now anyway, and when comparing the songs off it to Octavarium, Learning to Live, etc., it falls even shorter).
That's a really close call for me. I could pick one today but then tomorrow decide I like the other one better. They're both amazing songs. I would have to sit down and analyze it because it's just that close. The song TCOT is great from start to finish. But the end of the song, from the acoustic guitar part to the end solo, is one of the most amazing pieces of music they have ever done. It's one of JP's best solos. It easily beats the outro solo in 8V. The lyrics in 8V are better. The ridiculous unisons in 8V are a favorite part of mine. The intro to 8V is cool but maybe goes on a tad too long. The vocal melodies for the verse in TCOT could have been better.
I just don't know. Right now I would say The Count of Tuscany.
If you don't like updates, stay away from them. No need for everyone else to put up with none.
Personally I could do with any kind of update, because my expectations and interest level right now is basically zero. There's nothing refreshing about....... nothing. And it's just good PR to engage with the fans and build some momentum leading up to a new album.
If you don't like updates, stay away from them. No need for everyone else to put up with none.
Personally I could do with any kind of update, because my expectations and interest level right now is basically zero. There's nothing refreshing about....... nothing. And it's just good PR to engage with the fans and build some momentum leading up to a new album.
Leading up to the new album? They don't even have an album title, cover, or most importantly release date. There is plenty of time to build momentum to lead up to a new album. We haven't even gotten to the point of "leading up to a new album".
If you don't like updates, stay away from them. No need for everyone else to put up with none.
Personally I could do with any kind of update, because my expectations and interest level right now is basically zero.
Personally, I enjoy the little snippets of hype, but I don't need them. I'll be equally pumped for DTs new album with or without it. Until then, there is so much other good music out there to keep me entertained.
haven't been following them as closely as I had for previous albums but I'm really hoping for something different. I'd love for them to take some sort of a risk where they don't stick to the regular formula
haven't been following them as closely as I had for previous albums but I'm really hoping for something different. I'd love for them to take some sort of a risk where they don't stick to the regular formula
haven't been following them as closely as I had for previous albums but I'm really hoping for something different. I'd love for them to take some sort of a risk where they don't stick to the regular formula
haven't been following them as closely as I had for previous albums but I'm really hoping for something different. I'd love for them to take some sort of a risk where they don't stick to the regular formula
I think it's a little late in their career for them to do anything too risky. They're pretty much set with a specific formula.
This may be a bit cynical, but I actually think those previous attempts by them to branch out, were really all they could do. It seems that *when* they decide to incorporate new stuff, it ends up being carbon copies of whatever the influence was. So, when they try their hand on a modern synth-rock tune, you end up with a Muse song. When they try a thrash-inspired song, you get a Metallica carbon copy. Even a classical section can apparently not go out the door without plugging straight Tchaikovsky into it.
They've tried it so many times, and with almost always disastrous results, they simply may have said "let's stick with what we do".
haven't been following them as closely as I had for previous albums but I'm really hoping for something different. I'd love for them to take some sort of a risk where they don't stick to the regular formula
I think it's a little late in their career for them to do anything too risky. They're pretty much set with a specific formula.
If anything, being so established should give them the opportunity to take a chance, without it affecting them much. DT's album sales are mostly from loyal diehard fans, who will support the band regardless, because DT have earned that. And album sales would only be a small percentage of DT's income compared to touring, I would imagine.
DT have covered so much ground over time that there is always going to be some subset of fans that complain. That's not a problem, it's just the nature of being a (prog) band, and shouldn't discourage DT from doing what they want, instead of aiming for a safe middle ground to satisfy the average fan, because DT don't really have an average fan.
Did they not take risks in the last album by challenging themselves to write concise songs?
Did they not take risks in the last album by challenging themselves to write concise songs?
No, they didn't.
The problem with Dream Theater and their fanbase is the fanbase's definition of "safe" songwriting. Most of us seem to be completely okay with long instrumentals during a bridge between 2 choruses and the end of a song. Others like the songs where they do less of that. It's not really risky at all to write shorter songs, and to be completely honest, shorter songs in general will always be "safer", if Dream Theater is writing them. The length of a song means nothing in how popular it will be among the Dream Theater fanbase, however drawing new fans in is probably always going to be easier with shorter songs.
It's risky of them to not write music like they've been writing. See, even though they've got cool time signature changes and noodly instrumental sections, the structure of their songs is really never complicated. They might as well just be composers of virtuosic pop songs. ----Verse Chorus Verse Chorus Bridge (insert long instrumental section so the song is longer than 10 minutes) Chorus---- is still the structure for 90% of their songs. The songs that avoid that are their epics, instrumentals, and some of the songs on SFAM. That's basically it.
To be completely honest, the band isn't really that risky at all. I would like to see them write something risky, like a standalone mellow instrumental, a song written in a complex structure like sonata-allegro form (not necessarily instrumental), something atonal (because why the hell not), greater usage of other instruments besides keyboard, drum, bass, vocals, and guitar (like some actual real orchestral instruments played by other people, I would totally dig a bassoon or contrabass solo in a mellow section of an instrumental). People have talked about jazz fusion, why not have them make some actual jazz? That's risky. Let an entire song be a Jordan solo (there's too much unison in this band, everything's too loud), or have a little duel song between Myung and Mangini. Maybe an ambient song (mellow instrumental like I said earlier) where it's just Jordan and Petrucci (or even Myung) improving slowly.
Stuff like that. Except they'll never do any of that (except for the mellow instrumental as a part of IT) because of the box they've closed themselves in. Shorter songs aren't risky, I have heard 0 strong opinions that shorter songs are bad, and if it were a risky move, people would be saying things like this is the death of Dream Theater, etc etc. Sure, many people don't like DT12 that much, but I assume that's more because of the songwriting than the length of the songs. Dream Theater haven't done too many new things recently. Putting a little string section in the middle of a song isn't that impressive or risky when the 6-minute overture to a song made 11 years before has a lot more to it than a melody from Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yue6Cb5OULM&t=44s) (that's a bit of an exaggeration, but you get my point).
Sure, it's a different group complaining with each complaint. But they will never satisfy everyone. So they should just focus on producing something that THEY like.
It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.
Did he actually say "completely"? I thought it was more like "a little" or "a bit". I could be wrong though.It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.
Maybe that's what Jordan meant when he said they going to be something completely different for the upcoming release.
Did he actually say "completely"? I thought it was more like "a little" or "a bit". I could be wrong though.It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.
Maybe that's what Jordan meant when he said they going to be something completely different for the upcoming release.
Did he actually say "completely"? I thought it was more like "a little" or "a bit". I could be wrong though.It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.
Maybe that's what Jordan meant when he said they going to be something completely different for the upcoming release.
Actually, I thought he said they were doing something they never did before. Who was it that met him and asked him? I forget.
I was at the Musikmesse yesterday. Early in the morning we went to the CME stand in order to see Jordans performance. He was a bit early so my friend and I had a short but very nice chat with him. I ask him how things are developing in the studio - of course he answered that everything is perfect. They have been writing music for one month now, now they are tracking the music. I told him with a twinkle in the eye that I know he is here just to tell me everything about the new album and that I want to share this information here on the DTF forum. We laughed about that and of course he replied that he will not give me any information - however after I asked if it will be a concept album? I know that he refused to give any information - however, the situation was really relaxed and we had a good laugh so I kept on asking.
He just smiled and said something like this "it will something a bit different..." - and I replied: So it will be a concept album? He replied with a huge smile that a concept album would not be anything different!! What was clear is that I would not read too much into this. I think that due to the mimics of him my questions remained completely unanswered. But what I read from his reaction was a huge satisfaction about the development and the progress of DT13.
After his performance on the CME keyboard we were able to talk to him again, there were not many people around - like 12-15 or something... We told him that we released a well-perceived prog CD under the name P.A.W.N. - The Gift of Awareness last year and that eventhough he - of course - did not play on it, nevertheless somehow he "appears" on it, due to the fact that DT and especially Jordan and his playing has such a huge impact on our writing and playing. He was really happy about what we said. We gave him a CD and he signed two for us. Such a nice and humble guy!
Later we saw him performing on the seaboard, which was amazing. I recorded like 20 minutes of that and will upload it on youtube later.
I thought to share this here in this thread since we talked about the album and I am not sure if the information that they have been busy writing for one month and now they moved forward to tracking has been posted here before.
Eventhough I followed everything they did since 1996 I am not sure about the writing time of 1 month... Is that long for their standards? How long did the writing for DT12 last?
Please apologize for my mediocre English...
you have to wonder how people don't just hate devin townsend
oh I know, because no matter what style he does, he does it well
dream theater could do the same, they could probably perfect any style
but apparently all their fans want is metal with noodly instrumental sections so that's all they do
great
It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.
To be completely honest, the band isn't really that risky at all. I would like to see them write something risky, like a standalone mellow instrumental, a song written in a complex structure like sonata-allegro form (not necessarily instrumental), something atonal (because why the hell not), greater usage of other instruments besides keyboard, drum, bass, vocals, and guitar (like some actual real orchestral instruments played by other people, I would totally dig a bassoon or contrabass solo in a mellow section of an instrumental). People have talked about jazz fusion, why not have them make some actual jazz? That's risky. Let an entire song be a Jordan solo (there's too much unison in this band, everything's too loud), or have a little duel song between Myung and Mangini. Maybe an ambient song (mellow instrumental like I said earlier) where it's just Jordan and Petrucci (or even Myung) improving slowly.
No offense, but the only thing worse that having to listen to the music you describe above (I have absolutely ZERO interest in listening to John Petrucci play something atonal, or hearing a bassoon solo in a DT song) would be having to listen to the fanbase bitch about them making the music you describe above.
To be completely honest, the band isn't really that risky at all. I would like to see them write something risky, like a standalone mellow instrumental, a song written in a complex structure like sonata-allegro form (not necessarily instrumental), something atonal (because why the hell not), greater usage of other instruments besides keyboard, drum, bass, vocals, and guitar (like some actual real orchestral instruments played by other people, I would totally dig a bassoon or contrabass solo in a mellow section of an instrumental). People have talked about jazz fusion, why not have them make some actual jazz? That's risky. Let an entire song be a Jordan solo (there's too much unison in this band, everything's too loud), or have a little duel song between Myung and Mangini. Maybe an ambient song (mellow instrumental like I said earlier) where it's just Jordan and Petrucci (or even Myung) improving slowly.
No offense, but the only thing worse that having to listen to the music you describe above (I have absolutely ZERO interest in listening to John Petrucci play something atonal, or hearing a bassoon solo in a DT song) would be having to listen to the fanbase bitch about them making the music you describe above.
The band (currently) is: John, John, Jordan, James, and Mike. Let them go in a room, and make the music they want. If it is ten carbon copies of "Pull Me Under" or ten versions of a kazoo solo in Eb minor, so be it. THEY are the artists, not us. I have no interest in telling them what I want to hear; I want to hear what THEY want me to hear.
The problem is that I fear they're just writing what they think we will like, not what they like, which is far more important.
No offense, but the only thing worse that having to listen to the music you describe above (I have absolutely ZERO interest in listening to John Petrucci play something atonal, or hearing a bassoon solo in a DT song) would be having to listen to the fanbase bitch about them making the music you describe above.
You know, you're not the first person I've heard say this, but it really is a bummer. I think the willingness of some of DT's fanbase to rather hear the 5th regurgitated version of Metropolis than something that really dares, is a shame, and probably reinforces DT's stagnation. I'd rather DT to try large, and maybe fail, than have a decade full of discography that just sort of is "there".
To be completely honest, the band isn't really that risky at all. I would like to see them write something risky, like a standalone mellow instrumental, a song written in a complex structure like sonata-allegro form (not necessarily instrumental), something atonal (because why the hell not), greater usage of other instruments besides keyboard, drum, bass, vocals, and guitar (like some actual real orchestral instruments played by other people, I would totally dig a bassoon or contrabass solo in a mellow section of an instrumental). People have talked about jazz fusion, why not have them make some actual jazz? That's risky. Let an entire song be a Jordan solo (there's too much unison in this band, everything's too loud), or have a little duel song between Myung and Mangini. Maybe an ambient song (mellow instrumental like I said earlier) where it's just Jordan and Petrucci (or even Myung) improving slowly.
It's sad that a few folks on an Internet forum, perhaps propped up by their insular circle of friends, may feel that way. But since most in the fan base or, more importantly, the band do NOT feel that way, I don't see much for them to be concerned about.
He did a world music album, which actually is also a live album. The songs were written and recorded at various shows throughout his previous tour. The liner notes include a lot of details about the songs, the recording of them, etc. Pretty cool release. Here's the wikipedia link that will tell you what songs were for which countries:It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.
Via did something similar? To the world music thing, or did Vai make a Six Degrees like album? A quick google search gave me nothing but a live album from 2001 by Vai.
SH: Do you think you'll ever do the world-music influenced type of album you originally were thinking of doing before you started working on what became Six Degrees?
MP: Nah. I think that was an idea that came and went - especially now that Vai has done it.
SH: It just doesn't hold the same interest? Do you have some sort of master plan for what you want to accomplish in terms of musical direction with each Dream Theater album, for instance thinking 'I want this one to be heavy' and 'the next one will be more progressive' and then we'll do this and we'll do that? Do you have the next three or four albums outlined as to what you would like to accomplish?
MP: Oh no, definitely not three or four. Like I said, we've just barely discussed the direction or the details of the next record, so it's impossible to know until we're doing it. Like that world music thing you just mentioned? We talked about it and thought we were gonna go there, but as soon as we mic'd up in the studio and started actually playing-
SH: Pantera took over.
MP: So you never know where it's gonna go until it's going.
Sometimes it seems DT is a one-trick pony. It is a quite complex, hard to make, impressive, we study our instruments 8 hours a day to be able to do this, "don't do this at home" trick. It's a f***ing amazing trick, that I enjoy seeing again and again, and I thank them for that. But it's only one trick, nonetheless.
QuoteSH: Do you think you'll ever do the world-music influenced type of album you originally were thinking of doing before you started working on what became Six Degrees?
MP: Nah. I think that was an idea that came and went - especially now that Vai has done it.
SH: It just doesn't hold the same interest? Do you have some sort of master plan for what you want to accomplish in terms of musical direction with each Dream Theater album, for instance thinking 'I want this one to be heavy' and 'the next one will be more progressive' and then we'll do this and we'll do that? Do you have the next three or four albums outlined as to what you would like to accomplish?
MP: Oh no, definitely not three or four. Like I said, we've just barely discussed the direction or the details of the next record, so it's impossible to know until we're doing it. Like that world music thing you just mentioned? We talked about it and thought we were gonna go there, but as soon as we mic'd up in the studio and started actually playing-
SH: Pantera took over.
MP: So you never know where it's gonna go until it's going.
Along about the time of 8V I was one of those fans who wanted DT to change up the process and take what I felt were risks. But after some
time I realized that I was applying a different standard to DT then I did with my other favorite bands. I was actually wanting them to
be something they're not. Truth is there are thousands of bands out there that give me plenty of variation. What I am adamant about
though as a fan is THIS ALBUM MUST SOUND GOOD. IMO there are no excuses to put out another poor to mediocre sounding album.
There is too much talent and technology surrounding these guys. So in short, I'm game with whatever they want to create but give me
sonic quality. I don't think that is asking too much as a fan.
It's sad that a few folks on an Internet forum, perhaps propped up by their insular circle of friends, may feel that way. But since most in the fan base or, more importantly, the band do NOT feel that way, I don't see much for them to be concerned about.
WTF, dude. Do you at this point only fire broadshots? If you weren't the admin of this place, you would have banned yourself a long time ago.
WTF, dude. Do you at this point only fire broadshots? If you weren't the admin of this place, you would have banned yourself a long time ago.I thought a full scale thermonuclear war was gonna break out... I grabbed by popcorn :corn
I never had a DT Friends Circle to begin with! :lol
I never had a DT Friends Circle to begin with! :lol
Here is the one I remember from earlier in this thread . . .I was at the Musikmesse yesterday. Early in the morning we went to the CME stand in order to see Jordans performance. He was a bit early so my friend and I had a short but very nice chat with him. I ask him how things are developing in the studio - of course he answered that everything is perfect. They have been writing music for one month now, now they are tracking the music. I told him with a twinkle in the eye that I know he is here just to tell me everything about the new album and that I want to share this information here on the DTF forum. We laughed about that and of course he replied that he will not give me any information - however after I asked if it will be a concept album? I know that he refused to give any information - however, the situation was really relaxed and we had a good laugh so I kept on asking.
He just smiled and said something like this "it will something a bit different..." - and I replied: So it will be a concept album? He replied with a huge smile that a concept album would not be anything different!! What was clear is that I would not read too much into this. I think that due to the mimics of him my questions remained completely unanswered. But what I read from his reaction was a huge satisfaction about the development and the progress of DT13.
After his performance on the CME keyboard we were able to talk to him again, there were not many people around - like 12-15 or something... We told him that we released a well-perceived prog CD under the name P.A.W.N. - The Gift of Awareness last year and that eventhough he - of course - did not play on it, nevertheless somehow he "appears" on it, due to the fact that DT and especially Jordan and his playing has such a huge impact on our writing and playing. He was really happy about what we said. We gave him a CD and he signed two for us. Such a nice and humble guy!
Later we saw him performing on the seaboard, which was amazing. I recorded like 20 minutes of that and will upload it on youtube later.
I thought to share this here in this thread since we talked about the album and I am not sure if the information that they have been busy writing for one month and now they moved forward to tracking has been posted here before.
Eventhough I followed everything they did since 1996 I am not sure about the writing time of 1 month... Is that long for their standards? How long did the writing for DT12 last?
Please apologize for my mediocre English...
Oh, I see. :blush Well, scratch my comment then.
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?Pretty much, yeah. There's quite a mix among my IRL DT-fan friends, pretty evenly balanced between no interest in the newer stuff, preferring the newer stuff, and having no particular preference either way (which includes me).
Imho, the "problem" with DT is that they have too much control of what they are doing. They have the time and equipment and they spend 2 months writing the songs and then 2 months recording the album and then the tour (with a DVD) and everything is completely under control. We do this, and then do that, first this, then a solo, then another solo, then...
But most bands are like that, I believe. Few of them really take chances. Maybe people miss the feeling they got when first listening to something like I&W. It sounded completely daring at the time. But that was it. After that was always the same thing, better and better - but never daring anymore.
Maybe that was the reason Kevin Moore always inspired me more than DT. Because he was risky. Maybe he was not sucessful in everything, but you can see he is always trying to do something nobody could predict. When DafR was released it was like - wtf? And then You Go Now, wtf again! Graveyard Mountain Home - what is this all about? Ghost book? Snubbing Portnoy in OSI? Re:Free? The covers he choose?
Maybe you don't like what he does, but from an artistic point of view, he should be admired, I think. Sometimes I think - "That old bugger disappears when he wants and goes to study Medicine instead of recording more albums" and I'm upset but then the guy post a picture of himself in front a computer and I know that whatever he will release next I will buy because I know it will surprise me and remember me that music has a lot of boundaries that can be crossed.
Sometimes it seems DT is a one-trick pony. It is a quite complex, hard to make, impressive, we study our instruments 8 hours a day to be able to do this, "don't do this at home" trick. It's a f***ing amazing trick, that I enjoy seeing again and again, and I thank them for that. But it's only one trick, nonetheless.
Imho, the "problem" with DT is that they have too much control of what they are doing.Congratulations, that was officially the stupidest statement I've read all day.
Imho, the "problem" with DT is that they have too much control of what they are doing.Congratulations, that was officially the stupidest statement I've read all day.
What you guys need to realize is that music is art, and the guys in DT are the artists. No one has ever said, "The problem with Van Gogh was that he had too much control over his paintings". S
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
I would love to see another "Evening with JP and JR" type of tune.
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
I don't have a circle, but a line (1 friend, who got me into them 21 years ago), and were both just as nuts over them as ever lol.
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
I don't have a circle, but a line (1 friend, who got me into them 21 years ago), and were both just as nuts over them as ever lol.
As for me, most of my friends stopped being interested in DT around 2005-2006. Especially as people went to college, or got married and had kids. I did talk to a few of my old band mates awhile back, and all were pretty down on the band, so I think it's safe to say that I'm the fan who's held out the longest.
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
I don't have a circle, but a line (1 friend, who got me into them 21 years ago), and were both just as nuts over them as ever lol.
As for me, most of my friends stopped being interested in DT around 2005-2006. Especially as people went to college, or got married and had kids. I did talk to a few of my old band mates awhile back, and all were pretty down on the band, so I think it's safe to say that I'm the fan who's held out the longest.
I don't understand this. Why should your musical interests change just because you went to college or started a family? I'm pretty new to the Dream Theater fandom, but I've been a Metallica fan since I'm 3 years old, and likely will be for life. If you truly love a band, then you don't just stop becoming a fan because of changes in your life. Maybe you can't devote as much time or money to them, but that doesn't mean you tune out entirely.
I never had a DT Friends Circle to begin with! :lol
Oh, I see. :blush Well, scratch my comment then.
It is an interesting angle though to think about. I can *definitely* say that of the 10-odd DT fans I've known closely (like, direct fans) over the years, none of them are remaining. They all started checking out around the ToT-Octavarium era.
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
Oh, I see. :blush Well, scratch my comment then.
It is an interesting angle though to think about. I can *definitely* say that of the 10-odd DT fans I've known closely (like, direct fans) over the years, none of them are remaining. They all started checking out around the ToT-Octavarium era.
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
Of the DT fans I know in real life (which is maybe a handful), they stopped listening around ToT/8V too, and haven't come back with the more recent ones.
I'd be the biggest DT fan of the people I know.
ToT was a risk style-wise. But 8V, other than the "cover songs" was the beginning of business-as-usual for DT.
Oh, I see. :blush Well, scratch my comment then.
It is an interesting angle though to think about. I can *definitely* say that of the 10-odd DT fans I've known closely (like, direct fans) over the years, none of them are remaining. They all started checking out around the ToT-Octavarium era.
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
Of the DT fans I know in real life (which is maybe a handful), they stopped listening around ToT/8V too, and haven't come back with the more recent ones.
I'd be the biggest DT fan of the people I know.
Which shows that a lot of DT fans jumped...when the band took a huge risk? Because ToT / 8V is them leaving behind the trademark sound of the I&W to SFAM era.
Oh, I see. :blush Well, scratch my comment then.
It is an interesting angle though to think about. I can *definitely* say that of the 10-odd DT fans I've known closely (like, direct fans) over the years, none of them are remaining. They all started checking out around the ToT-Octavarium era.
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
Of the DT fans I know in real life (which is maybe a handful), they stopped listening around ToT/8V too, and haven't come back with the more recent ones.
I'd be the biggest DT fan of the people I know.
Which shows that a lot of DT fans jumped...when the band took a huge risk? Because ToT / 8V is them leaving behind the trademark sound of the I&W to SFAM era.
That's a bit of a spin. Awake was a huge departure from IaW, FII was a huge departure from what came before it, and while SFAM was more in the style of IaW, it was still a risky concept album, and SDOIT was their most experimental album and a shift to heavier music. ToT was a bit risky, but I agree that 8V was a return to pretty safe, and even with the last two albums being safe, nobody I know has regained interest in the band. And the majority of these people are very diverse musicians and music listeners, not the average narrow prog fan.
You can also simply make the case that the quality of the music hasn't been as strong since SDOIT.
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
Isn't it time we start discussing their hair or clothes or something? :P :biggrin:
I think either the writing is going badly and they don't want to let on - or they're cooking up something extra special and are keeping it secret.
If it was business as usual - I think we'd have more updates by now.
Isn't it time we start discussing their hair or clothes or something? :P :biggrin:
Don't tempt me :D
I just think they're doing a good job of keeping it secret. It was different with MP in the band. I don't mind either way really. Some people start to lose interest with all of this secrecy but not me. It actually builds my curiosity more.I think what it does for me is that I kind of forget about them being in the studio. If we got a snippet every 3 weeks or so, I feel like that would drive me crazy. This time of not paying attention to DT allows me to listen to an already fantastic year of music.
Isn't it time we start discussing their hair or clothes or something? :P :biggrin:Been there
I just think they're doing a good job of keeping it secret. It was different with MP in the band. I don't mind either way really. Some people start to lose interest with all of this secrecy but not me. It actually builds my curiosity more.I think what it does for me is that I kind of forget about them being in the studio. If we got a snippet every 3 weeks or so, I feel like that would drive me crazy. This time of not paying attention to DT allows me to listen to an already fantastic year of music.
When DT is ready, I sure as hell will be as well.
That's because you're too busy typing to all your love interests Johny. :lol
Isn't it time we start discussing their hair or clothes or something? :P :biggrin:Been there
Isn't it time we start discussing their hair or clothes or something? :P :biggrin:Been there
And there: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43685.0
I've spent some significant time with ADToE and DT12 over the last couple weeks. Setting aside the sound issues and focusing on
what MM has brought to the band and I have to say, even though I have a TON of respect for his super human abilities I just can't
seem to latch onto anything memorable or even a signature style. I know many will disagree with this and that is fine. I hope that
he is allowed to be unleashed and on his 3rd DT album we will see him shine and become an integral asset that raises the overall
level of the music.
I've spent some significant time with ADToE and DT12 over the last couple weeks. Setting aside the sound issues and focusing on
what MM has brought to the band and I have to say, even though I have a TON of respect for his super human abilities I just can't
seem to latch onto anything memorable or even a signature style. I know many will disagree with this and that is fine. I hope that
he is allowed to be unleashed and on his 3rd DT album we will see him shine and become an integral asset that raises the overall
level of the music.
I just noticed that DT's day was a few days ago, May 8th (5/8) :facepalm: .
Well, for normal people DT day is on the 5th of August anyway, so...
Well, for normal people DT day is on the 5th of August anyway, so...
Not just British - pretty much every country in the world apart from 'Mericuh.Well, for normal people DT day is on the 5th of August anyway, so...
Bah, save that date for the British prog rock bands. There are plenty of 'em. We Yanks will do the ole switcheroo date for the stateside rockers.
I've spent some significant time with ADToE and DT12 over the last couple weeks. Setting aside the sound issues and focusing on
what MM has brought to the band and I have to say, even though I have a TON of respect for his super human abilities I just can't
seem to latch onto anything memorable or even a signature style. I know many will disagree with this and that is fine. I hope that
he is allowed to be unleashed and on his 3rd DT album we will see him shine and become an integral asset that raises the overall
level of the music.
" SS BB SSSS BB SS BB SSSS " just before the instrumental section 3:50 in Fatal Tragedy.Yeah, I noticed that as well, it's a bit over the top. Or, I should say, more over the top than usual. It's not really a complaint though, this kind of playing fits DT and I love it. One of the highlights of BTFW for me is MM's huge drum fills. One could argue that that big fill in the slow part of The Shattered Fortress doesn't really fit, but that kind of playing is the main reason I prefer that rendition over the studio version.
I think he will if they do not stick to the short song structure. Short songs, even for MP, did not really allow the drums to noticeably shine especially with abbreviated instrumental parts. This is why MM's drumming gets displayed noticeably in IT. Given the short song structures, he did ok. Especially in TEI, TLG and STR. :)
There's nothing wrong with that fill. It fits perfectly. MM has also had sections where I felt he overplayed or played unnecessary fills (more so on the live DVDs). It goes with the territory. And I don't mean that's always a bad thing. I mean, it's DT.Exactly. Overplaying on a "ridiculous" scale is pretty much DT SOP, to a certain degree. There is a thing as too much, but I don't think DT reaches that particular plateau.
Besides, that Fatal Tragedy fill couldn't fit any better. It makes for a perfect cut to the next section.As I said, I don't really have a problem with it (although I certainly see Kotowboy point of view, as this particular fill stood out to me a long time ago), but it's really nothing special, just the same overplayed RL KK RLRL KK Portnoy-ism he always does (other noticeable examples would include the fill before the final chorus of PMU and the beginning of Paradigm Shift). On the DVD 'Progressive Drum Concepts', he even acknowledges that he overplays this fill, and that was in the Awake-era. He didn't push himself too hard since then.
There's nothing wrong with that fill. It fits perfectly. MM has also had sections where I felt he overplayed or played unnecessary fills (more so on the live DVDs). It goes with the territory. And I don't mean that's always a bad thing. I mean, it's DT.
There's nothing wrong with that fill. It fits perfectly. MM has also had sections where I felt he overplayed or played unnecessary fills (more so on the live DVDs). It goes with the territory. And I don't mean that's always a bad thing. I mean, it's DT.
HAHAHA, that's a great point. Saying a member of Dream Theater "overplayed" is kinda like saying Kate Upton is TOO hot.
Thank you..thank you.
Reality is, it's barely better than Raw Dog.
To me, it always comes back to Enigma Machine. This was prime time DT showcase material; no vocals, pure focus on the instruments. MM unleashed, this was gonna be the moment.
Reality is, it's barely better than Raw Dog. The drum solo spot shines through its number of hit drums per second. Other than that there's nothing interesting or memorable about it.
Somewhere deep down I hope that MM is a more interesting drummer than he comes as across. All I see and hear are, pun intended, hand exercises.
I think the issues to that instrumental is on the melody more than the drumming.
The highlight of the drumming in Enigma Machine is not the drum solo. It's the odd arrangment of the time signatures and the polyrhythns.
I think the issues to that instrumental is on the melody more than the drumming.
There's no doubt that neither component shines in that song. Just like Raw Dog, it's essentially finger exercises, concatenated for minutes.
But, does that excuse MM? I know that sometimes you can't polish a turd, but a sign of a true star is to take an unfortunate scenario and transform it into something special. MM decided to go safe; not change the drum sound, not change the song.
Thank you..thank you.
Reality is, it's barely better than Raw Dog.
I raised this when it was released. In fact, I'm taking Raw Dog every time.
Thank you..thank you.
Reality is, it's barely better than Raw Dog.
I raised this when it was released. In fact, I'm taking Raw Dog every time.
Never noticed this, but now I can't unhear it :omg:
The last two instrumentals were almost carbon copies of each other.Thank you..thank you.
Reality is, it's barely better than Raw Dog.
I raised this when it was released. In fact, I'm taking Raw Dog every time.
Never noticed this, but now I can't unhear it :omg:
I guess I always viewed Enigma Machine as a reflection of Erotomania (the atonal keyboard opening and shifting time signature patterns, followed by an upbeat semi-atonal guitar melody), whereas Raw Dog was a straight forward chugging thrashy tune more suited for a video game. So my listening experience will always be influenced by those parameters (and the reason I don't hear the comparison like Rumborak).
The first 30 seconds of Raw Dog are actually cool. After that I really don't see the difference to Enigma Machine. They could make a medley out of them and it would sound like one song.Maybe, which is why I still never get why Enigma Machine would be praised while Raw Dog gets slagged. Now, while I do like RD better, objectively, I feel it's no where as inferior to EM as most make it out to be.
Ready for another can of worms?Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?
Was MM the right decision during the audition? He was clearly one of the most capable, and even more so malleable. But it seems to me what DT really needed was a seismic shift, a la JR joining.
Ready for another can of worms?Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?
Was MM the right decision during the audition? He was clearly one of the most capable, and even more so malleable. But it seems to me what DT really needed was a seismic shift, a la JR joining.
Enigma Machine actually has a concept, which you can glean from its title. An Enigma Machine is a cipher machine used by the Germans before and during World War II. The theme of the song, as narrated by Jordan: "I don’t know if we were thinking Pink Panther-ish or a television-worthy kind of theme, but we were playing around with those concepts." JP was more explicit when he said "It has a spy-theme motif, which is why I called it ‘Enigma Machine."
Unlike Raw Dog, Enigma Machine also is structured like a song. As JP said: "We also knew we didn't want to make an extended instrumental track that went on forever, we wanted to write a song at the same time, so it has a form structure of a song, with vocals with verses, choruses and bridges."
And in keeping with the Enigma Machine theme, a real Enigma Machine is where you would encode a message, which would go through different permutations in the process of encryption, then goes back to the original message once decrypted. They followed the same pattern in the song, where an original theme is introduced, goes through several complex permutations, then returns to the original theme in the end. As noted in one review, "So, it’s built up on many different riffs, and there’s a lot of changes between styles and rhythms. It kinda builds up with a couple of different shorter sections, then has a mid section with fast and furious guitar and keyboard solos, then a bass-solo breakdown into a slower and more emotional solo section, before it unravels the song it has built up by repeating the sections the song built up with, only in almost the opposite order."
So Enigma Machine does not really compare to Raw Dog. Only a very "surface-only" understanding would lead one to make that comparison.
There's nothing wrong with that fill. It fits perfectly. MM has also had sections where I felt he overplayed or played unnecessary fills (more so on the live DVDs). It goes with the territory. And I don't mean that's always a bad thing. I mean, it's DT.
HAHAHA, that's a great point. Saying a member of Dream Theater "overplayed" is kinda like saying Kate Upton is TOO hot.
I must gracefully disagree. Enigma Machine's relation to the WWII device is no more than the title. As JR said, it's a spy theme. "Enigma Machine" sounds neat, so they went with that name.
Somehow transferring the history and complexity of the machine to this song is, IMHO disingenuous, and just tries to give it heft that it doesn't possess on its own merits.
Ready for another can of worms?Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?
Was MM the right decision during the audition? He was clearly one of the most capable, and even more so malleable. But it seems to me what DT really needed was a seismic shift, a la JR joining.
I'm not sure whether you've ever written a song, but that's *exactly* how most instrumental song titles are chosen. Simply by association. "Oh, kinda spy-ish theme to the riff. Let's call it something mysterious. Enigma Machine? Sounds good."
Songs with lyrics, different story.
Ready for another can of worms?Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?
Was MM the right decision during the audition? He was clearly one of the most capable, and even more so malleable. But it seems to me what DT really needed was a seismic shift, a la JR joining.
If he was just going to turn them down, why did he even bother auditioning?
If he was just going to turn them down, why did he even bother auditioning?
A number of them ,incl Donati , really had little interest in the gig . The whole thing was pretty weird I reckon.
You quoted me before my edit ,so yeah........ :lol
I can't remember the drummer involved but in an interview afterwards he said "not interested ,but looks good on the resume". And presumably DT were happy with that side of things as they had the names involved that they wanted.
It's a professional courtesy as well, if DT invites you to audition, you do it. Millions of people watched those videos, it's probably the biggest exposure most of those drummers ever got. Marco is a strange specimen, however. He said he wanted no part of the "reality show documentary" and that they used the footage against his will.If he was just going to turn them down, why did he even bother auditioning?
A number of them ,incl Donati , really had little interest in the gig . The whole thing was pretty weird I reckon.
Seemed like more of a publicity stunt.
You quoted me before my edit ,so yeah........ :lol
I can't remember the drummer involved but in an interview afterwards he said "not interested ,but looks good on the resume". And presumably DT were happy with that side of things as they had the names involved that they wanted.
Most of those guys don't seem like the type to settle down in a band environment. They do their own thing.
You quoted me before my edit ,so yeah........ :lol
I can't remember the drummer involved but in an interview afterwards he said "not interested ,but looks good on the resume". And presumably DT were happy with that side of things as they had the names involved that they wanted.
Most of those guys don't seem like the type to settle down in a band environment. They do their own thing.
I believe Marco just went to Jam and see where that went with them.
How dies it feel weird? Never noticed.Ready for another can of worms?Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?
Was MM the right decision during the audition? He was clearly one of the most capable, and even more so malleable. But it seems to me what DT really needed was a seismic shift, a la JR joining.
If that were true, it would explain... basically everything about how MM's relationship with the band always feels kinda weird.
Also, if Minnemann had gotten the gig back then, we probably wouldn't have had the glorious Steven Wilson band he have today.
I learned two new things in this thread!
One, MM was apparently not the first choice for replacement drummer.
I am turned on by generic blonde refrigerators!
Happy day!
Tits on a refrigerator would be awesome.
Enigma Machine sounds like an actual composed piece. It all sounds like it goes together, a unified composition. I can see how people may not like it, or like other instrumentals much more, but it that's a different matter.
Raw Dog sounds exactly like what they said it was - a collection of previously unused riffs and sections left over from previous album recording sessions, completely unrelated to each other, that they stitched together over the course of a day or two in the studio, as a release that most people would never even know about. I still can't believe they even did it.
The King Crimson parts are cool, though.
I learned two new things in this thread!
One, MM was apparently not the first choice for replacement drummer.
I am turned on by generic blonde refrigerators!
Happy day!
Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?
I personally know Thomas Lang, and while I can't speak for the other guys, I know for a fact that when they called him, they told him up front that they had already chosen MP's replacement, and it wasn't him. (...) Heard it straight from the horse's mouthAs quoted above you, these are two contradictory statements, both allegedly coming from the "horse's mouth." They couldn't have chosen the drummer beforehand and then juggle between MM and MM. Something got lost in translation, so to speak. Not to mention, choosing a drummer is a bilateral decision, so either Mangini is the world's greatest actor putting that performance on at the end of the third episode, or DT (after getting Mangini's confirmation that he'd be in no matter what) just put him through that ordeal for no good reason. Also, they obviously wanted to keep an extremely tight lid on the whole thing, so starting out by gossiping to the other prospects that it's a done deal seems unreasonable and unlikely. It wouldn't have made for a good documentary if everyone involved already knew the outcome.
Thomas declined, so they ended up paying him to audition. It was the only way he was willing to take time off for it, and obviously the only real reason worth it;They all got payed, at least based on Minnemman's butthurt FB post:
I btw have an email where they promised me to not use the video if I don't want to. Well, they lied:-). But thanks for your kind words. For the entire filming I received $500, broken promises about the release and collaborations on my new CD. And someone calling me and complaining he heard I was telling people in advance who the new drummer is. And on top of it I never got even send a copy. So FU DT, I'm sorry:-)I don't get it why he wouldn't have wanted the exposure the documentary brought him, but Levin Minnemann Rudess happened, so it's all good.
I wouldn't call Minnemann's post butthurt. I found his reaction very mild, if anything, if what he is saying is true.I found it passive-aggressive, unnecessary and shady. He obviously must have signed a contract, which made it abundantly clear whether the footage will be used or not. He agreed to filming, said all the stuff about wanting to be in DT (which he didn't have to, as other guys who didn't really want the gig handled way more tactfully) and then he went back on it all publicly. He must've realized as well that the post wasn't kosher, since he removed it after a while.
I wouldn't call Minnemann's post butthurt. I found his reaction very mild, if anything, if what he is saying is true.I found it passive-aggressive, unnecessary and shady. He obviously must have signed a contract, which made it abundantly clear whether the footage will be used or not. He agreed to filming, said all the stuff about wanting to be in DT (which he didn't have to, as other guys who didn't really want the gig handled way more tactfully) and then he went back on it all publicly. He must've realized as well that the post wasn't kosher, since he removed it after a while.
From a business / career perspective, all the drummers who were shown in the audition benefitted IMMENSELY from it. A lot of people, even though they are prog metal fans, didn´t know half the guys on the list...
Positivity in a rumborak post on the DT side? Has hell frozen over? :P
Same here. I watched it dozens of times over the years, it was the very thing that got me into DT and prompted me to start playing drums, which I enjoy immensely and had great success with since. It's probably one the most influential and important videos of my life.Positivity in a rumborak post on the DT side? Has hell frozen over? :P
No seriously, I have rewatched the documentary many times over (and might do again today; it's Friday! :P ). I think it's thoroughly enjoyable to see all these different approaches by the different drummers. It gives an *actual* insight into the band (which sadly is quite rare these days), and shows them just in a practice room, doing their band thing.
I knew of Aquiles too because he played in Angra and he lives in Brazil like me, and I think Minneman was in the back of my mind because he played also with Paul Gilbert, but can´t be sure. I´d never heard of Wildoer, Lang or the other dude.
Just watching the videos again, I think this comment by JLB ("That was the most incredible ... by far!")
https://youtu.be/L609JsPFmmI?t=1214
also corroborates that MM wasn't the immediate first choice. You can only say "by far" if you have a point of comparison, and Mangini was the first to audition, so that comment can't have been about him. It was very likely about Marco.
So how many months have they been in studio now? Right around 4 months right? If it's an early fall release they must be getting
close to wrapping this baby up soon.
Just watching the videos again, I think this comment by JLB ("That was the most incredible ... by far!")
https://youtu.be/L609JsPFmmI?t=1214
also corroborates that MM wasn't the immediate first choice. You can only say "by far" if you have a point of comparison, and Mangini was the first to audition, so that comment can't have been about him. It was very likely about Marco.
Hard to say. That comment to me has always been a bit enigmatic. That clip is certainly edited to imply that James was completely gaga over Marco in general, but at the end of the day, all we have is an isolated comment out of context that was cleverly edited into the footage to create a certain appearance that may or may not have been true.
Just watching the videos again, I think this comment by JLB ("That was the most incredible ... by far!")
https://youtu.be/L609JsPFmmI?t=1214
also corroborates that MM wasn't the immediate first choice. You can only say "by far" if you have a point of comparison, and Mangini was the first to audition, so that comment can't have been about him. It was very likely about Marco.
Hard to say. That comment to me has always been a bit enigmatic. That clip is certainly edited to imply that James was completely gaga over Marco in general, but at the end of the day, all we have is an isolated comment out of context that was cleverly edited into the footage to create a certain appearance that may or may not have been true.
Oh, of course, there is only limited conclusions you can draw from that quote. But it definitely indicates that there was a drummer JLB considered to be far superior to the ones he had seen to that point. MM was the first, so it can not have been about him. And in the same token, MM was included in that comparison.
I agree with bosky. Out of context, we don't know what "that" was. Did he mean the whole audition? Did he mean just the jam session? Did he mean just the performance of one of the songs? Did he mean one little nuance? We don't know. It was a typical "reality TV" edit, where they edit it to tell the story they want to tell to the viewer, even if it requires some manipulation.
I agree with bosky. Out of context, we don't know what "that" was. Did he mean the whole audition? Did he mean just the jam session? Did he mean just the performance of one of the songs? Did he mean one little nuance? We don't know. It was a typical "reality TV" edit, where they edit it to tell the story they want to tell to the viewer, even if it requires some manipulation.
My conservative guess is that he referred to a subsection of the audition, be that the jams, or songs. Somebody must have come out with flying colors.
I on the other hand am loving the silence the longer it goes on.
3 and a half months in the studio already and not a word about what they're doing in there. I'm among Portnoy's biggest fans but even I grew tired of the "this new album is Pink Floyd meets Black Sabbath meets The Supremes meets late Beethoven string quartets meets The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band" nonsense. I think it's great (and, in this age of social media, actually pretty original) that the band are giving no hint about what they're up to. Long may this continue, right up to the announcement of the album itself.
I on the other hand am loving the silence the longer it goes on.
3 and a half months in the studio already and not a word about what they're doing in there. I'm among Portnoy's biggest fans but even I grew tired of the "this new album is Pink Floyd meets Black Sabbath meets The Supremes meets late Beethoven string quartets meets The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band" nonsense. I think it's great (and, in this age of social media, actually pretty original) that the band are giving no hint about what they're up to. Long may this continue, right up to the announcement of the album itself.
..........so that we can start bitching about the cover!!! :angel:
No watermark or weird cutting though.
The authenticity burns.:lol
Does anyone know if they are actually still in the studio? It looks like Jordon has been doing some other things although he seems to be saying he is taking a break from the studio.
Thinking loud:
If they will start their European Festival Tour end of June, wouldn't they need a bit to agree on setlist and rehearsal? Moreover, wouldn't they release the new single just before touring - like they did in 2011?
That's why it's possible they will soon end recording in studio and start preparing... If I' right we may know something soon...
Perhaps, but I don't recall DT ever doing this previously. So while it's possible that they could, it's highly unlikely given their previous track record. I'm expecting they'll probably hold off on premiering any new material until after the album itself is released after this summer run of shows, just as they did with the Escape from the Studio tour in 2003, and by extension, the G3 tour in 2001.Thinking loud:Yes. And sometimes the first single is finished first so they can release it - then they finish mixing the rest of the album later.
If they will start their European Festival Tour end of June, wouldn't they need a bit to agree on setlist and rehearsal? Moreover, wouldn't they release the new single just before touring - like they did in 2011?
That's why it's possible they will soon end recording in studio and start preparing... If I' right we may know something soon...
I on the other hand am loving the silence the longer it goes on.
3 and a half months in the studio already and not a word about what they're doing in there. I'm among Portnoy's biggest fans but even I grew tired of the "this new album is Pink Floyd meets Black Sabbath meets The Supremes meets late Beethoven string quartets meets The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band" nonsense. I think it's great (and, in this age of social media, actually pretty original) that the band are giving no hint about what they're up to. Long may this continue, right up to the announcement of the album itself.
The did the same thing with AROP 2009.Yes, but the whole album was already mixed and mastered, and was actually released during that first leg of the tour. So it wasn't like what Kotowboy was suggesting - completing one track in time for the tour for public release, and then finishing off the rest of the album after the tour ends.
New album will have an epic titled "My observational point of view" lyrics by Labrie.
It will last around 38 minutes.
One part will be titled "Pull my chicken"
I wonder if they will do something special for their 30th anniversary. Not expecting a new dvd/show this year, but given their site has a 30th anniversary logo and the fb page tying with the forum, I am expecting them to at least celebrate it to a certain extent aside from a regular new album. Rarities? Documentary? Rerecorded version (s) of some old stuff? A song/songs revisiting old material/concept? I like all that stuff, so I hope so ;D
I wonder if they will do something special for their 30th anniversary. Not expecting a new dvd/show this year, but given their site has a 30th anniversary logo and the fb page tying with the forum, I am expecting them to at least celebrate it to a certain extent aside from a regular new album. Rarities? Documentary? Rerecorded version (s) of some old stuff? A song/songs revisiting old material/concept? I like all that stuff, so I hope so ;D
Bolded what I'm hoping for. I'd love for them to rerecord the Majesty demos in the studio with James. 30th Anniversary Majesty EP. Put it as a second/bonus disc for the new album. And then a third disc for a doc of the making of both the new album and EP.
I don't think I will ever understand this desire of some people for DT to rerecord stuff. I mean, what should even be rerecorded? Frankly, the only stuff maybe worth rerecording is WDADU and DT13.
I wonder if they will do something special for their 30th anniversary. Not expecting a new dvd/show this year, but given their site has a 30th anniversary logo and the fb page tying with the forum, I am expecting them to at least celebrate it to a certain extent aside from a regular new album. Rarities? Documentary? Rerecorded version (s) of some old stuff? A song/songs revisiting old material/concept? I like all that stuff, so I hope so ;D
Bolded what I'm hoping for. I'd love for them to rerecord the Majesty demos in the studio with James. 30th Anniversary Majesty EP. Put it as a second/bonus disc for the new album. And then a third disc for a doc of the making of both the new album and EP.
I'm not sure I'm prepared to discuss the nuances of what I'm about to say (the "how's" and "why's") but first reaction is that I don't want that if Portnoy is not involved.
prediction! they're holding off on releasing the album until next year so it comes out for their 31st anniversary, and it'll be titled 3113, because What Would Rush Do :biggrin:
I'm not sure I'm prepared to discuss the nuances of what I'm about to say (the "how's" and "why's") but first reaction is that I don't want that if Portnoy is not involved.
I don't think I will ever understand this desire of some people for DT to rerecord stuff. I mean, what should even be rerecorded? Frankly, the only stuff maybe worth rerecording is WDADU and DT13.
Plus, what's on the Majesty demo is not good. What would be the point?
B.Lee
The "why" of re-recording WDaDU for me is easy. Sonic quality. Love the album to death but hate the sound. I would LOVE to get
a modern day studio version of WDaDU with JLB but I'm 100% certain it will never happen.
A completely re-written A Vision would be totally badass.
needs to return from the afterlife.
A completely re-written A Vision would be totally badass.
You read my mind. Amazing song, needs to return from the afterlife. :metal
needs to return from the afterlife.
Speaking of which, I'd like to see that song rerecorded :)
I agree. There was a time when a re-record of WDADU would have been a good thing. But that has long since passed now that we have WDADRU and lots of other live versions of most of the songs.
Four straight posts trying to crush my dreams xD I'm smart enough to know that it isn't viable, but that doesn't mean I don't want it. Oh well, maybe in 4 years.Have you listened to WDADR? It's good. Should satisfy any desire for a remake. At least IMHO.
Have you listened to WDADR? It's good. Should satisfy any desire for a remake. At least IMHO.
Once MP is back in the band and they recorded Metropolis Pt. III.
Have you listened to WDADR? It's good. Should satisfy any desire for a remake. At least IMHO.
I think it's great :) It's just a different kind of great, because it's live. Meh, I feel like I'm digging my hole even deeper by replying :D
In other news, anyone see JP's latest Facebook post? That Amethyst Quilt Top is absolutely beautiful.
Have you listened to WDADR? It's good. Should satisfy any desire for a remake. At least IMHO.
I think it's great :) It's just a different kind of great, because it's live. Meh, I feel like I'm digging my hole even deeper by replying :D
In other news, anyone see JP's latest Facebook post? That Amethyst Quilt Top is absolutely beautiful.
If he's actually using that baritone on tour like it says in that FB post, that probably means they're planning on playing Blind Faith, These Walls, Panic Attack, or Wither! :o Unless there's a new single that uses it and that's what's being played.
Update: Mike Mangini is participating in a golf game.That sounds exciting as hell.
Plus, in the commentary of WDADRU, the band explicitly states that they had no interest in going into the studio to re-record the album, but a live rendition had an appeal. It takes a lot time, energy and MONEY to reserve the studio, work out the pre-production sounds and skillfully record the session. For that amount of work, I can understand why the band would only want to concentrate on new material in a studio setting.
I don't think we're ever going to see a re-recording of WDADU and the Majesty Demos without MP in the band. He said it was hard enough to convince the guys to do the WDADRU show. I believe his comment on the commentary was that they would do it if he stopped asking about the Majesty Demos.
Well, the Majesty demo isn't really available to the masses. You really have to be searching for it. Most DT fans that don't come to sites like this may not even know what the Majesty Demo is, and it would be a good way of teaching fans about the history of the band and bring new life to the songs.
Well, the Majesty demo isn't really available to the masses. You really have to be searching for it. Most DT fans that don't come to sites like this may not even know what the Majesty Demo is, and it would be a good way of teaching fans about the history of the band and bring new life to the songs.
Respectfully, I don't understand this. Notwithstanding that the "masses" aren't interested in it, either in it's original form or rerecorded, if a DT fan wants the Majesty Demo, they can have it. It is available right now, officially, for $15.00 if I'm not mistaken (it might be out of stock, but the point is it was made available).
Even if you are right, why would a fan who is too casual to know about the Majesty Demos originally then care about them rereleased? They'd still have to "search them out", no? None of the "re-recordings" have ever been released by their "main label"; even WDADR was a Ytsejam release (which is where the Majesty Demos were re-released) so I don't understand the conundrum.
Well, the Majesty demo isn't really available to the masses. You really have to be searching for it. Most DT fans that don't come to sites like this may not even know what the Majesty Demo is, and it would be a good way of teaching fans about the history of the band and bring new life to the songs.
Respectfully, I don't understand this. Notwithstanding that the "masses" aren't interested in it, either in it's original form or rerecorded, if a DT fan wants the Majesty Demo, they can have it. It is available right now, officially, for $15.00 if I'm not mistaken (it might be out of stock, but the point is it was made available).
Even if you are right, why would a fan who is too casual to know about the Majesty Demos originally then care about them rereleased? They'd still have to "search them out", no? None of the "re-recordings" have ever been released by their "main label"; even WDADR was a Ytsejam release (which is where the Majesty Demos were re-released) so I don't understand the conundrum.
Agree with Stadler.
Also, I highly doubt that they would go back and re-record MP material with Mangini on drums. It seems DT is staying away from anything MP related. I was quite surprised they played The Shattered Fortress since it's a more personal MP track. Would of loved to hear Home though instead of that one on BTFW.
clearly they arent staying away from anything MP related. That statement is very much false, they just aren't running the band the same way MP did such as the idea of doing all of WDADU in concert, but they aren't hiding from anything that MP contributed to the band.
Journey provided a really nice package with Revelation even though the re-recorded songs were unnecessary IMO. But it was a good
value for the fans with a new album, live concert DVD and 11 studio songs re-recorded.
Journey provided a really nice package with Revelation even though the re-recorded songs were unnecessary IMO. But it was a good
value for the fans with a new album, live concert DVD and 11 studio songs re-recorded.
That package really angered a lot of fans, actually. A lot of people felt that re-recording the Perry-era songs with a different singer was incredibly disrespectful and unnecessary. For me personally, I was more put off by the re-recording of Faith In The Heartland. There was NO need to do that song at all.
Journey provided a really nice package with Revelation even though the re-recorded songs were unnecessary IMO. But it was a good
value for the fans with a new album, live concert DVD and 11 studio songs re-recorded.
That package really angered a lot of fans, actually. A lot of people felt that re-recording the Perry-era songs with a different singer was incredibly disrespectful and unnecessary. For me personally, I was more put off by the re-recording of Faith In The Heartland. There was NO need to do that song at all.
A lot of bands re-record songs because they don't own the rights to the song so if they do record an older song they can peddle that song for commercials and such.
A lot of the bands from the 70's and 80's did that because the record companies were shysters and owned most to all of the songwriting credits. More modern bands don't have to worry about that since record companies made themselves outdated.
I don't think we're ever going to see a re-recording of WDADU and the Majesty Demos without MP in the band. He said it was hard enough to convince the guys to do the WDADRU show. I believe his comment on the commentary was that they would do it if he stopped asking about the Majesty Demos.Correct. Here's what he said in the interview I did with him at the end of the 2004 North American leg of the Evening With tour:
SH: Can we expect that with the other album anniversaries, that we’ll be seeing similar performances of those albums?
MP: No – I mean every year we could say it’s the anniversary of something. This year is the tenth anniversary of Awake, and we already celebrated the tenth anniversary of Images and Words. That’s not to say that special things like this won’t pop up from time to time, because anything is possible. But When Dream and Day Unite was a special anniversary, because that was something that everyone had always wanted to see performed with the current line-up. So it made sense to celebrate that.
SH: What about the Majesty demos in that case?
MP: <laughs> When I ran this idea by the band, and said “we’ll do Dream and Day complete,” it was delivered with the promise “Don’t worry, we’re not gonna do the Majesty demos in 2006!”
doing a re-recording of material that only two of the existing 5 bandmembers participated in and original performed on seems silly. Not that they wouldn't dig something up for a live show, but that's different from doing a re-recording.I disagree. Assuming it wouldn't simply be a re-recording without any changes (which I wouldn't want), it would allow the members who did not perform on those songs to put their stamp on them with their own style. Perfect example of that is ACoS. The song was completed in 1991 (if not sooner) but never recorded. Then when they finally were allowed to do it, they rewrote some of it and allowed Derek to put his spin on things in the keyboard department. Why shouldn't songs that have been officially released be rewritten and re-recorded by the current lineup, especially if they are obscure and/or the band dislikes the final product? I'm not saying that it should be a standalone release, but to provide it as a bonus CD in the deluxe package of the next album (so people can choose whether they want it or not) seems totally reasonable to me.
I can think of no reason under the sun for them to go into a studio and re-record anything.As I said, it would be a selling point for a deluxe package, which I'm sure the band would be interested in, seeing as it is their means of supporting themselves financially.
Make new music and get out on the road and play.Well, I think that's a given. Nobody's arguing that point. But that doesn't mean there isn't room to rewrite and re-record a handful of older tracks.
A lot of people felt that re-recording the Perry-era songs with a different singer was incredibly disrespectful and unnecessary.I could be wrong because I haven't listened to that CD in years, but perhaps because they didn't really do anything new to the songs aside from have the current members play them? Had they done some new interpretations or changed things up more, would the Journey fans still have gotten that bent out of shape?
Why shouldn't songs that have been officially released be rewritten and re-recorded by the current lineup, especially if they are obscure and/or the band dislikes the final product?
doing a re-recording of material that only two of the existing 5 bandmembers participated in and original performed on seems silly.
A lot of people felt that re-recording the Perry-era songs with a different singer was incredibly disrespectful and unnecessary.I could be wrong because I haven't listened to that CD in years, but perhaps because they didn't really do anything new to the songs aside from have the current members play them? Had they done some new interpretations or changed things up more, would the Journey fans still have gotten that bent out of shape?
doing a re-recording of material that only two of the existing 5 bandmembers participated in and original performed on seems silly. Not that they wouldn't dig something up for a live show, but that's different from doing a re-recording.I disagree. Assuming it wouldn't simply be a re-recording without any changes (which I wouldn't want), it would allow the members who did not perform on those songs to put their stamp on them with their own style. Perfect example of that is ACoS. The song was completed in 1991 (if not sooner) but never recorded. Then when they finally were allowed to do it, they rewrote some of it and allowed Derek to put his spin on things in the keyboard department. Why shouldn't songs that have been officially released be rewritten and re-recorded by the current lineup, especially if they are obscure and/or the band dislikes the final product? I'm not saying that it should be a standalone release, but to provide it as a bonus CD in the deluxe package of the next album (so people can choose whether they want it or not) seems totally reasonable to me.
I can think of no reason under the sun for them to go into a studio and re-record anything.As I said, it would be a selling point for a deluxe package, which I'm sure the band would be interested in, seeing as it is their means of supporting themselves financially.
Make new music and get out on the road and play.Well, I think that's a given. Nobody's arguing that point. But that doesn't mean there isn't room to rewrite and re-record a handful of older tracks.
What I am saying is that the the audience that, like you, would really want something like a re-recording of the Majesty Demos is so small that the rest of us would be quite disappointed if THAT was the deluxe version extra.
Combine that with the fact that no one associated with the band outside of MP has every really shown much interest in those songs at all leads me to think it is a strange suggestion.
What I am saying is that the the audience that, like you, would really want something like a re-recording of the Majesty Demos is so small that the rest of us would be quite disappointed if THAT was the deluxe version extra.
Apples and Oranges. Haken is a relatively young band. The songs they reworked aren't 30 years old. And they were already pretty good.What I am saying is that the the audience that, like you, would really want something like a re-recording of the Majesty Demos is so small that the rest of us would be quite disappointed if THAT was the deluxe version extra.
Combine that with the fact that no one associated with the band outside of MP has every really shown much interest in those songs at all leads me to think it is a strange suggestion.
Really? After the success Haken had with Restoration? You think Dream Theater fans wouldn't like something really similar?
I think there's a world of difference between the Haken demos and the Majesty demos.
Apples and Oranges. Haken is a relatively young band. The songs they reworked aren't 30 years old. And they were already pretty good.What I am saying is that the the audience that, like you, would really want something like a re-recording of the Majesty Demos is so small that the rest of us would be quite disappointed if THAT was the deluxe version extra.
Combine that with the fact that no one associated with the band outside of MP has every really shown much interest in those songs at all leads me to think it is a strange suggestion.
Really? After the success Haken had with Restoration? You think Dream Theater fans wouldn't like something really similar?
The Majesty Demos just aren't very good to begin with.
Also, as has been mentioned, it doesn't seem like any of the current members have any interest at all in redoing the demos. So there's that.
I think there's a world of difference between the Haken demos and the Majesty demos.
How?
I guess I think more of Haken's demos than you do.Apples and Oranges. Haken is a relatively young band. The songs they reworked aren't 30 years old. And they were already pretty good.What I am saying is that the the audience that, like you, would really want something like a re-recording of the Majesty Demos is so small that the rest of us would be quite disappointed if THAT was the deluxe version extra.
Combine that with the fact that no one associated with the band outside of MP has every really shown much interest in those songs at all leads me to think it is a strange suggestion.
Really? After the success Haken had with Restoration? You think Dream Theater fans wouldn't like something really similar?
The Majesty Demos just aren't very good to begin with.
Other than Haken being a younger band, I respectfully but totally disagree. I think there are *A LOT* of DT fans who think that there are some great ideas in the Majesty Demos, but the quality of the recordings make them a little difficult to listen to. A Vision in particular is fairly widely praised as being a pretty cool song.
Plus (as Haken did), you don't have to take every single idea. Again....we're not talking about a straight up re-record. Haken's idea was better. Take the ideas and completely re-write them from the ground up with new member input. I think Haken's demos were just like the Majesty demos. Good ideas, but poor sound quality and a relatively "unfinished" feel to them. Restoration really breathed new life into the old ideas and I think the Majesty demos would benefit from the same treatment.
Well to be blunt, because the Haken demos kinda.... don't suck.
bosky, I am flabbergasted by your non-like of Haken. They are an awesome band.Well to be blunt, because the Haken demos kinda.... don't suck.
I haven't heard them, but I am skeptical of this statement. ...unless of course they are written and performed by some band other than Haken.
Well to be blunt, because the Haken demos kinda.... don't suck.
I haven't heard them, but I am skeptical of this statement. ...unless of course they are written and performed by some band other than Haken.
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SH: Can we expect that with the other album anniversaries, that we’ll be seeing similar performances of those albums?
MP: No – I mean every year we could say it’s the anniversary of something. This year is the tenth anniversary of Awake, and we already celebrated the tenth anniversary of Images and Words. That’s not to say that special things like this won’t pop up from time to time, because anything is possible. But When Dream and Day Unite was a special anniversary, because that was something that everyone had always wanted to see performed with the current line-up. So it made sense to celebrate that.
SH: What about the Majesty demos in that case?
MP: <laughs> When I ran this idea by the band, and said “we’ll do Dream and Day complete,” it was delivered with the promise “Don’t worry, we’re not gonna do the Majesty demos in 2006!”
But they DID play Another Won in 2005 and 2006, so anything is possible. Plus, I recall JP commenting that now having performed the song that it still sounded like DT and fit fine in a live show. Meaning, after hearing it with the current lineup, it wasn't so bad after all. So I'm just hoping another Majesty track makes an appearance (even if a limited number of shows) for the 30th anniversary.
Well to be blunt, because the Haken demos kinda.... don't suck.
I haven't heard them, but I am skeptical of this statement. ...unless of course they are written and performed by some band other than Haken.
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I guess I think more of Haken's demos than you do.I get that it would be pathetic if DT redid the songs just as their next album. But as tracks on a bonus CD for a deluxe package, how does that come across as pathetic or anything related? I fail to see your logic.
I think it was a neat idea for a relatively young band to do. I think it would be a little...I don't know, "pathetic" isn't the right word, but it isn't 100% wrong, either...for a band like DT.
Nothing from any of the DT demos or tracks that got cut from some of the albums comes close to any of the three tracks on Haken's 'Restoration'. I would say leave the DT demos to oblivion and work out some new stuff instead.
Nothing from any of the DT demos or tracks that got cut from some of the albums comes close to any of the three tracks on Haken's 'Restoration'. I would say leave the DT demos to oblivion and work out some new stuff instead.
Now THAT is apples and oranges....completely. What do you think of the Majesty Demos compared to "Enter the 5th Dimension"?
I think there are *A LOT* of DT fans who think that there are some great ideas in the Majesty Demos, but the quality of the recordings make them a little difficult to listen to. A Vision in particular is fairly widely praised as being a pretty cool song.
Plus (as Haken did), you don't have to take every single idea. Again....we're not talking about a straight up re-record. Haken's idea was better. Take the ideas and completely re-write them from the ground up with new member input. I think Haken's demos were just like the Majesty demos. Good ideas, but poor sound quality and a relatively "unfinished" feel to them. Restoration really breathed new life into the old ideas and I think the Majesty demos would benefit from the same treatment.
Nothing from any of the DT demos or tracks that got cut from some of the albums comes close to any of the three tracks on Haken's 'Restoration'. I would say leave the DT demos to oblivion and work out some new stuff instead.
Now THAT is apples and oranges....completely. What do you think of the Majesty Demos compared to "Enter the 5th Dimension"?
If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.
If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.
I disagree. The lack of harsh vocals is one of the issues I have with Restoration.
Me too.If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.
I disagree. The lack of harsh vocals is one of the issues I have with Restoration.
Really? You like the growling Ross Jennings? It's one element that I am happy they removed, which made me enjoy the Haken records after Aquarius.
Me too.If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.
I disagree. The lack of harsh vocals is one of the issues I have with Restoration.
Really? You like the growling Ross Jennings? It's one element that I am happy they removed, which made me enjoy the Haken records after Aquarius.
A key point in the discussion of the Majesty Demos is the fact that no one in the band has ever given a wet fart about them except MP, and he is gone. Given how many times JP has mentioned wanting to move forward, it would seem to be a moot point.
Yeah. Including Another Won in Score was a great decision, but that's as far as it should get.Me too.If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.
I disagree. The lack of harsh vocals is one of the issues I have with Restoration.
Really? You like the growling Ross Jennings? It's one element that I am happy they removed, which made me enjoy the Haken records after Aquarius.
A key point in the discussion of the Majesty Demos is the fact that no one in the band has ever given a wet fart about them except MP, and he is gone. Given how many times JP has mentioned wanting to move forward, it would seem to be a moot point.
Do you guys think that they will ever produce a new album on a level equal to Awake or SFAM?
Do you guys think that they will ever produce a new album on a level equal to Awake or SFAM?Anything is possible, but I don't expect it.
Because you heard Another Won in that lineup and it sounded pretty darn cool? Why not March of the Tyrant? or Too Far? I bet those songs would work out better than people expect, or even kinda awesome. Plus its a treat to the hardcore fans. Plus its a humbling way of appreciating their own career. 30 years is a long time for a band to endure. Whether we embrace it or not, those demos are a part of the fabric of the band.Yeah. Including Another Won in Score was a great decision, but that's as far as it should get.Me too.If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.
I disagree. The lack of harsh vocals is one of the issues I have with Restoration.
Really? You like the growling Ross Jennings? It's one element that I am happy they removed, which made me enjoy the Haken records after Aquarius.
A key point in the discussion of the Majesty Demos is the fact that no one in the band has ever given a wet fart about them except MP, and he is gone. Given how many times JP has mentioned wanting to move forward, it would seem to be a moot point.
Based on the last few pages in this thread, we REALLY need DT to say something or show us something about the new album.
Based on the last few pages in this thread, we REALLY need DT to say something or show us something about the new album.
:lol Yesterday I was going to post 52 pages of nothing, but did not want to come across as being negative.
I must assume that DT are following some grand master plan with this, since I really don't see this working on their favor.
Indeed. Reaching the universal acclaim of Scenes again seems impossible, but I'll take DT12 over Awake any day.Do you guys think that they will ever produce a new album on a level equal to Awake or SFAM?
Being on the same level as those two would imply that those two are my favorite, which they aren't :P It's subjective, but from my POV, absolutely. They're still more than capable of producing something that transcends their previous work, it's just about being in the right creative frame of mind.
Generally speaking, I don't think they'll ever make something as widely well-received as SFAM.
I'm still hoping for a BluRay akin to Metallica's "St. Anger Rehearsals".
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I think it's funny when people post some version of "I don't know why fans would want DT to rerecord X, it just isn't very good."
If there's enough people talking about it for you to make that post, then obviously people think it's good. They want it re-recorded because the quality of the Majesty Demos and WDADU is pretty lackluster. And they want to hear JLB sing the songs. I know I'm explaining the obvious, but it seems like it's not understood. I&W is over 20 years old but no one wants it re-recorded because the quality of the record is great.
Just speaking for myself, Another Won is one of the only things I really listen to off of Score, because it's a great recording of a cool song. If they released a live version of, say, Two Far, I'd be all over that. That song is great.
Also, people bring up WDADRU a lot. It's not that great a product. If the record's supposed to be the "definitive" re-recording, then why do I enjoy AFIL and TKH from LATM more? Why do I enjoy Afterlife from Score more? On WDADRU, JLB is very off (his throat injury isn't his fault, just stating my opinion) and the performances feel very loose. I always want more when I hear it. To its credit, OAMT is really good though.
This is all opinion and if you still disagree then whatever. But I don't understand how people can be like "lol people who want DT to re-record their old material." The desire comes from a genuine place.
Triple album :neverusethis:
Or, in the style of the most recent pages in this thread:HEY EVERYONE !! IT'S TIME FOR :
" What Would Dream Theater name their 13th album if it was a triple concept album ? "
Metropolis Part III : Scenes From A Trilogy :neverusethis:
Looks like I missed a lot of convo about rerecordings so I only one comment: Iced Earth. Perfect example of why you simply do not want to rerecord things just because you have a new lineup.For those of us who don't follow Iced Earth at all, care to give us the Cliff-notes version of why they are an example of why it's best not to re-record tracks because of a new lineup?
Can you imagine if Oasis re-formed without Noel and decided to re-record Definitely Maybe and Whats The Story Morning Glory with the new line up ?
I can't imagine those turning out very well.
Another reason to leave the Majesty Demos in the past.Can you imagine if Oasis re-formed without Noel and decided to re-record Definitely Maybe and Whats The Story Morning Glory with the new line up ?
I can't imagine those turning out very well.
Well you can't polish a turd, as they say.
Looks like I missed a lot of convo about rerecordings so I only one comment: Iced Earth. Perfect example of why you simply do not want to rerecord things just because you have a new lineup.For those of us who don't follow Iced Earth at all, care to give us the Cliff-notes version of why they are an example of why it's best not to re-record tracks because of a new lineup?
This has probably already been posted as the video is 3 weeks old, but sounds like a new riff right at the end of this interview with JP (10:35).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao9JIdNXJ5Q
If it is, we're in for a heavy album...
This has probably already been posted as the video is 3 weeks old, but sounds like a new riff right at the end of this interview with JP (10:35).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao9JIdNXJ5Q
If it is, we're in for a heavy album...
I love that C tuning. I've been trying to learn some of DT's C-tuned songs lately (ITNOG, ANTR), and this gives me a little bit of hope that perhaps there's another long heavy epic coming. I wouldn't put too much stock into one riff, though :P It creates the opportunity to be let down.
On a related note, DAYUM those are some juicy pinch harmonics.
That's a good riff, but that sound is really... Not what I would call good.
That's his seven-string in B actually, but you were very close! :P I do enjoy the C tuning though, especially at parts like the solos in ANTR, that tone is soo good!
That's a good riff, but that sound is really... Not what I would call good.
Had the same reaction, totally. I wish he returned to his straightforward sound.
Totally random comment also, bummer he mispronounces piezo, given how he's been using it for the last 20 years or so.
Is it pronounced Van Goff?
Especially since he's part Italian. :P
Like Klingon :p
I think you are right. But I think he understands more than what he is able to articulate. This was my impression when I met him last year during the meet & greet here in Rome.Especially since he's part Italian. :P
Well, it's a Greek word, but I know what you mean :lol
That said, I doubt he actually speaks any Italian. Other than a few culturally-inherited phrases and words.
You tried some italian with him? You were brave, I was afraid of wasting the few seconds of chat we had after the last two shows in Italy babbling some nonsensical words in a language incomprehensible to him. Which is why I just babbled some nonsensical words in my best excuse for the English language.No, I talked in English with them, but other folks spoke in Italian to our 5 heroes (yes to JMX too but anyway his expression wouldn't change) and sometimes he gave me the impression to understand more than "ciao, grazie".
1st Belarus now, im going on 4 DT shows on this summer, in polish magazine JP said that the album will be next year...
That only makes me feel better about things, makes it feel less lile a corporate product.Since when has a Dream Theater been a corporate product? Since FII, at least.
...and it'll *still* be out before the next Metallica album.
making a grand total of FOUR original studio albums from Dream Theater since Death Magnetic. :rollin
...and before anyone says " Quality not quantity " - may I remind you ....
... DEATH MAGNETIC.
...and it'll *still* be out before the next Metallica album.
making a grand total of FOUR original studio albums from Dream Theater since Death Magnetic. :rollin
...and before anyone says " Quality not quantity " - may I remind you ....
... DEATH MAGNETIC.
The quality not quantity argument doesn't work not because Death Magnetic sucks (it kicks ass besides the production) but because the past three DT albums are all amazing (as are all of the rest of their albums).
Still no new release by Tool or Metallica
Hey here's an idea.
How about you stop bringing up the fact that Metallica and Tool are taking a long time between albums in about every other topic that somehow deals with release dates.
Still no new release by Tool or Metallica
Still no new release by Tool or MetallicaI imagine the glorious day they'll be out, it will be on a combo pack along with Half-Life 3, and The Last Guardian.
Or The Beatles :angry: Lazy F***s
We get it. Metallica is a big band and they take a long time between albums.
Metallica? Tools?
Yeah, but one is on the way.Still no new release by Tool or Metallica
Or Kansas either.
Sooo, about the new album. Since Jordan said that he plans to take the seaboard to the studio "pretty soon" and add it to the recording.
Now we can assume that the keys aren't recorded yet (or at least not completely done).
I'm starting to feel like something really special is coming. I might be wrong but that's a very different approach from what we are accustomed to.
Or The Beatles :angry: Lazy F***s
Mozart still hasn't finished his Mess in C Minor >:( :censored
Sooo, about the new album. Since Jordan said that he plans to take the seaboard to the studio "pretty soon" and add it to the recording.
Now we can assume that the keys aren't recorded yet (or at least not completely done).
I'm starting to feel like something really special is coming. I might be wrong but that's a very different approach from what we are accustomed to.
Would love to hear something form a more credible source (no offense to a few words posted on a forum) about a release date. Would love to see something in 2015, which would be totally possible if they finished the album prior to their show obligations starting in July.Their obligations start in exactly 4 weeks from today, 25th of June in Minsk, Belarus (apologies before I mentioned Poland but that's only 2 days later). So what can they do in 4 weeks, including planning tour setlist and do sone rehearsal? Not much, I think... Yeah, maybe some seabording here and there, fine tuning of minor details - but then they won't have a chance to add anything or mix stuff etc until August... Tour ends August 2 in Finland.
So do you guys think they will be ready to debut a new song this summer live? I would guess not if the album release isn't close enough for them to start promoting it.
Long not played track >>> New song (Let's suppose seven minutes)
Long not played track >>> New song (Let's suppose seven minutes)
Do you mean a track not played in a long time?
1st Belarus now, im going on 4 DT shows on this summer, in polish magazine JP said that the album will be next year...
I think I will wait for secondary confirmation on this one. Right now there's an absolute dearth of information coming from DT; I wouldn't be surprised at all if a magazine "extrapolated" a bit to write an article.
I think I will wait for secondary confirmation on this one. Right now there's an absolute dearth of information coming from DT; I wouldn't be surprised at all if a magazine "extrapolated" a bit to write an article.
A miscommunication based on a translated interview as our only source of information? Vintage DTF.
They've already started planning the setlist, because JP recently posted a photo of his new baritone guitar that he said he'll be taking on the road with him this year. There aren't a lot of DT songs with baritone guitars, so at least some specific song choices must've been made.Would love to hear something form a more credible source (no offense to a few words posted on a forum) about a release date. Would love to see something in 2015, which would be totally possible if they finished the album prior to their show obligations starting in July.Their obligations start in exactly 4 weeks from today, 25th of June in Minsk, Belarus (apologies before I mentioned Poland but that's only 2 days later). So what can they do in 4 weeks, including planning tour setlist and do sone rehearsal? Not much, I think... Yeah, maybe some seabording here and there, fine tuning of minor details - but then they won't have a chance to add anything or mix stuff etc until August... Tour ends August 2 in Finland.
They've already started planning the setlist, because JP recently posted a photo of his new baritone guitar that he said he'll be taking on the road with him this year. There aren't a lot of DT songs with baritone guitars, so at least some specific song choices must've been made.
Where did he post said pic?
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It's probably more likely that he's used it on the new album. I doubt they've locked in anything concerning setlists at this point.
I'll be taking this beauty with me this summer on DT's 30th Anniversary European festival tour.
What are the songs that use the baritone?ANTR is in C tuning on a normal 6-string. Besides These Walls there's at least Blind Faith, Panic Attack and Wither - I'm probably forgetting one or two. I know Blind Faith is one of James' favorites, so I hope that one will get played :caffeine:
I know These Walls does... and.... ANTR... right?
These Walls seems unlikely, given its relative obscurity and the fact that it was played the tour before last. I mean, anything is possible. The band could have really enjoyed playing it and decided they want to bring it back. But it seems unlikely to me.
I presume the article about Dream Theater isn't online yet...
2 dolars.
Sorry guys, but it's not my 1st language I haven't yet bought a new issue:)
In the June edition of the monthly Now Rock he has just been published interview with Dream Theater guitarist, John Petrucci. The musician told about the progress in recording the new album, recalled previous visits to Poland, and also summed up the past 30 years of the band. Petrucci: "It's really crazy, just does not reach me that we've been together so long. Flew like a whip shot. But we did a lot of great things: we spent lots and lots of records, played many, many routes and met many, many great people. We are happy and grateful for what happened to us, "- said in an interview with" Now Rock ".
The performance in Katowice is one of the first concerts during the next tour the band, guitarist assured, however, that we expect the best show on what they can afford. "(...) During the first concert you have to get used again to being on stage. But you know what? We always do everything to make first appearance was as good as the last. We will celebrate thirty years on stage, or we do it for a long time and so we know what to expect and how to do it well. And every concert we play the best we can, "- JP
I'm pretty sure they'll be playing Blind Faith on this tour.Now that's what I call blind faith! :D
I'm pretty sure they'll be playing Blind Faith on this tour.Now that's what I call blind faith! :D
"Flew like a whip shot."
—John Petrucci
God damn. :lol"Flew like a whip shot."
—John Petrucci
You heard it here first. :lol
God damn. :lol"Flew like a whip shot."
—John Petrucci
You heard it here first. :lol
There's just NO WAY he actually said that in English.
God damn. :lol"Flew like a whip shot."
—John Petrucci
You heard it here first. :lol
There's just NO WAY he actually said that in English.
Why?
God damn. :lol"Flew like a whip shot."
—John Petrucci
You heard it here first. :lol
There's just NO WAY he actually said that in English.
Why?
Because nobody ever has.
Well, to be fair, Polish is the hardest, most complex language on Earth :P .
Du hast recht. Deutsch ist nicht ganz schwer um zu lernen. Verstehen ist ganz einfach, aber schreiben ein bisschen mehr nachdenken. Dankeschön.
Du hast recht. Deutsch ist nicht ganz schwer um zu lernen. Verstehen ist ganz einfach, aber schreiben ein bisschen mehr nachdenken. Dankeschön.
I can't write Dutch (we just never had to learn it in school) but reading it is pretty straightforward. It's mostly just funky spelling.
"... Really lets the song have breathing room......and expect more of the same as recent years from James because I've always thought he sounded best when he sings like a fag."
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Well, to be fair, Polish is the hardest, most complex language on Earth :P .
I can probably say I've heard that statement being said about every major language in this world.
It's not just about the language you're learning; it's equally as much about the language you're coming from. German with its three genders and four different cases must be hell for a Chinese speaker. For a Dutch person it would just be a shoulder shrug.
Offcourse German and English are very easy for a Dutch person like me (and vice versa to some extent) compared to Spanish. But languages do vary a lot in terms of complexity. So there is merit to some people saying their language is difficult.I would think that Spanish would be easier than English, because at least the rules and letter pronunciations are consistent in Spanish. There are no silent "K"s in Spanish, and there is no "i before e except after c" rule. Likewise, in Spanish there is no ridiculousness like rough not rhyming with bough, or owl not rhyming with bowl.
I don't think the spelling inconsistencies are that hard to master. You learn the words anyway, you see them written down a couple of times and there, they're memorized. Having grammatical genders and difficult conjugation (which is by far the easiest in the English language) makes Spanish and other Romance languages harder to learn, imo.Offcourse German and English are very easy for a Dutch person like me (and vice versa to some extent) compared to Spanish. But languages do vary a lot in terms of complexity. So there is merit to some people saying their language is difficult.I would think that Spanish would be easier than English, because at least the rules and letter pronunciations are consistent in Spanish. There are no silent "K"s in Spanish, and there is no "i before e except after c" rule. Likewise, in Spanish there is no ridiculousness like rough not rhyming with bough, or owl not rhyming with bowl.
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?Well, to be fair, Polish is the hardest, most complex language on Earth :P .
I can probably say I've heard that statement being said about every major language in this world.
It's not just about the language you're learning; it's equally as much about the language you're coming from. German with its three genders and four different cases must be hell for a Chinese speaker. For a Dutch person it would just be a shoulder shrug.
Totally offtopic, but this is not entirely true. Some languages are fairly scientific and thus can be learned quite efficiently by knowing the basic set of rules. A 26-letter alphabet with generally clear rules of pronounciation and grammar is way less complex than Mandarin, with it's vast amount of characters and information gap between writing and pronouncing, for example.
We're discussing learning languages in the thread about DT's new album. This is what happens when we don't get any news.
I've heard they'll enter the studio next february.
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?
I think it is. It's just not my opinion. He was loads better on ADToE, or he at least knew his limitations better then.
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?
I think it is. It's just not my opinion. He was loads better on ADToE, or he at least knew his limitations better then.
One thing you have to remember is that DT has to utilize him in such a way that what he does on the album can be recreated live. That's not something he has to worry about on side projects (at least, not anywhere near the same extent).I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?
I think it is. It's just not my opinion. He was loads better on ADToE, or he at least knew his limitations better then.
But he shines even more on Frameshift, or even JLB's last couple of solo album. I still think DT under utilizes him in the vocal department.
One thing you have to remember is that DT has to utilize him in such a way that what he does on the album can be recreated live. That's not something he has to worry about on side projects (at least, not anywhere near the same extent).I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?
I think it is. It's just not my opinion. He was loads better on ADToE, or he at least knew his limitations better then.
But he shines even more on Frameshift, or even JLB's last couple of solo album. I still think DT under utilizes him in the vocal department.
Not that I will repeat the f** word here, but I think I know what he is referring to, and I too find it somewhat unfortunate when he sings that way. I realize it's supposed to be a more intimate, softer type of singing, but it does indeed go into rather unfortunate territory when he sings that way.
Rumborak just has overactive eyebrows.
Rumborak just has overactive eyebrows.
Rumborak just has overactive eyebrows.
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Not that I will repeat the f** word here, but I think I know what he is referring to, and I too find it somewhat unfortunate when he sings that way. I realize it's supposed to be a more intimate, softer type of singing, but it does indeed go into rather unfortunate territory when he sings that way.The only time that crossed my mind was at the "I ran into Julian...it's time for him to goooo-eeeehh-ooow" part, but he's channeling Victoria there, so it fits perfectly. Not to mention, I love that part and JLB's delivery (especially in the studio version), one of my favorite DT sing-along parts.
Not that I will repeat the f** word here, but I think I know what he is referring to, and I too find it somewhat unfortunate when he sings that way. I realize it's supposed to be a more intimate, softer type of singing, but it does indeed go into rather unfortunate territory when he sings that way.The only time that crossed my mind was at the "I ran into Julian...it's time for him to goooo-eeeehh-ooow" part, but he's channeling Victoria there, so it fits perfectly. Not to mention, I love that part and JLB's delivery (especially in the studio version), one of my favorite DT sing-along parts.
My favorite aspect of James' singing is that he always seems to accurately convey the emotions behind the music to the listener. He sings a song like Vacant completely differently than a song like Panic Attack. His voice covers such a broad range of emotions and he does it so effortlessly.
Not that I will repeat the f** word here, but I think I know what he is referring to, and I too find it somewhat unfortunate when he sings that way. I realize it's supposed to be a more intimate, softer type of singing, but it does indeed go into rather unfortunate territory when he sings that way.The only time that crossed my mind was at the "I ran into Julian...it's time for him to goooo-eeeehh-ooow" part, but he's channeling Victoria there, so it fits perfectly. Not to mention, I love that part and JLB's delivery (especially in the studio version), one of my favorite DT sing-along parts.
My favorite aspect of James' singing is that he always seems to accurately convey the emotions behind the music to the listener. He sings a song like Vacant completely differently than a song like Panic Attack. His voice covers such a broad range of emotions and he does it so effortlessly.
– What was something you absolutely didn’t expect?
Arjen: That he would come so well-prepared. He knew the story and the character he had to portray even better than I did! And the amount of emotion he put into his performance, I can easily see why he sells millions of albums.
Yeah, but only for a handful of performances, not a months-long world tour. Which is why I said "not anywhere near the same extent."One thing you have to remember is that DT has to utilize him in such a way that what he does on the album can be recreated live. That's not something he has to worry about on side projects (at least, not anywhere near the same extent).I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?
I think it is. It's just not my opinion. He was loads better on ADToE, or he at least knew his limitations better then.
But he shines even more on Frameshift, or even JLB's last couple of solo album. I still think DT under utilizes him in the vocal department.
Well James did take his solo material on the road and that worked pretty well. At least for the couple of bootlegs that I heard...
The wait and the lack of information on direction, etc, doesn't bother me a bit. However I would kill for a statement that "The album is going well and we're hoping for a (fall, winter, spring, whichever) release". Just one line is all I need :biggrin:That would be nice.
That Jordan's latest fb video (introducing Cinematic Guitars Infinity) shows a few tasty riffs. I found that riff which starts at 0:48 very interesting, only if that would be a new riff for a DT song... :angel:
That Jordan's latest fb video (introducing Cinematic Guitars Infinity) shows a few tasty riffs. I found that riff which starts at 0:48 very interesting, only if that would be a new riff for a DT song... :angel:
That one was great, as were many others.
I don't like watching these videos, because I always want stuff like this on the albums, and it doesn't happen.
I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD). The End.
No problem with what you want, I just would love to see DT's take on "Tales from Topographic Oceans", four 30 minute tracks certainly wouldn't be them being on a treadmill; not that there's any chance of it actually happening.I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD). The End.
i'd rather have an album of 12 / 13 eight to 10 minute songs.
Screw the big epic at the end. They need to get off of that treadmill now.
I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD). The End.
i'd rather have an album of 12 / 13 eight to 10 minute songs.
Screw the big epic at the end. They need to get off of that treadmill now.
I'd love them to make a more experimental album. With each member's background, something really good can come out of it. And with such a solid fanbase, I don't think they have much to lose.I'm not so sure about that. It seems like fans take a few years to come around to their less conventional material. It took fans forever to warm up to FII, and for awhile SDOIT disc 1 was something many fans considered vastly inferior to disc 2. I also remember the tepid reaction to Octavarium when that first came out. Albums like Dramatic Turn and DT12 may not satisfy fans in the long term, but they do seem to make fans happy enough initially, and get people back into the seats for shows.
I'd love them to make a more experimental album. With each member's background, something really good can come out of it. And with such a solid fanbase, I don't think they have much to lose.
Yeah, they've done one in a row. It's really getting tedious.I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD). The End.
i'd rather have an album of 12 / 13 eight to 10 minute songs.
Screw the big epic at the end. They need to get off of that treadmill now.
I'd love them to make a more experimental album. With each member's background, something really good can come out of it. And with such a solid fanbase, I don't think they have much to lose.
Absolutely this.
Yeah, they've done one in a row. It's really getting tedious.I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD). The End.
i'd rather have an album of 12 / 13 eight to 10 minute songs.
Screw the big epic at the end. They need to get off of that treadmill now.
And don't start with that " BUT DER NOT LE LE EPICS LE !!!!! !!1111!!! " - You know I meant finishing the album with a lengthy song.Aren't you a little old to speak like that? I certainly am.
He said one in a row, not one ever.Yeah, they've done one in a row. It's really getting tedious.I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD). The End.
i'd rather have an album of 12 / 13 eight to 10 minute songs.
Screw the big epic at the end. They need to get off of that treadmill now.
What the fuck are you talking about ?
Octavarium. The Count Of Tuscany. Illumination Theory. All songs are 20 minutes or over.
I'd like to see them jam out an album instead of their usual writing process, but that won't happen :lol
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?
I would even go as far to say that I'm disappointed when they don't end with the longest track. I love Beneath the Surface but Breaking All Illusions should absolutely be the last song you hear when listening to A Dramatic Turn of Events.
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?
I would even go as far to say that I'm disappointed when they don't end with the longest track. I love Beneath the Surface but Breaking All Illusions should absolutely be the last song you hear when listening to A Dramatic Turn of Events.
I disagree. Beneath the Surface is the perfect way to end ADTOE.
ITT: DT can't win.
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?
I've always appreciated Dream Theater's different tangents from album to album, and the recent sameness of recent releases has bothered me a bit. I'd hate for Dream Theater to become the AC/DC of progressive metal, but maybe they already have. :(How recent? I thought the last two albums were quite different. I also thought ADTOE was quite different than what came before it.
I've always appreciated Dream Theater's different tangents from album to album, and the recent sameness of recent releases has bothered me a bit. I'd hate for Dream Theater to become the AC/DC of progressive metal, but maybe they already have. :(How recent? I thought the last two albums were quite different. I also thought ADTOE was quite different than what came before it.
If I remember correctly, in the wilderness months between the auditions announcement and the documentary, when the DT fan base was reaching an unparalleled level of left-in-the-darkness psychosis, JP was featured in some guitar-techy video demoing some new feature playing a few riffs. One of those in particular appeared to be more structured and coherent than your average improvised on the spot riff. For a while there was some talk about that riff being part of the then to be announced ADTOE.When exactly is his new solo CD supposed to be released? It feels like all the songs have been around for 4+ years.
It much later turned out to be the main riff of the JP solo song Zero Tolerance, that I believe was premiered in the SA G3 tour of 2012.
ITT: DT can't win.
I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD). The End.In a roundabout way (no pun intended - really!) they already did this between SDoIT and BCaSL. But I get what you're saying nonetheless. Not sure if that would be a good idea tho. Certainly you can imagine that the majority of this board would be up in arms over it.
Amen. I think there could be some interesting things that happen with this, going in new directions and keeping things fresh, without sounding just like a mix of everything they've done before.I'd love them to make a more experimental album. With each member's background, something really good can come out of it. And with such a solid fanbase, I don't think they have much to lose.Absolutely this.
Bosk beat me to it. I'd like to know how SuperTaco would want things different in the writing process than what they do now.I'd like to see them jam out an album instead of their usual writing process, but that won't happen :lolUm...that's pretty much how they write every album.
Not getting the reasoning of why an album must end with the longest track - seems rather silly to me, TBH. While I think it would get tiring if the band had an epic on every album, I'm not against them periodically being on an album. But requiring them, or even just a semi-epic to be the last track on the album because it's the longest would become cliche. I'd rather them select the order of the songs based on how well they flow from one to another, rather than on some requirement.I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?I would even go as far to say that I'm disappointed when they don't end with the longest track. I love Beneath the Surface but Breaking All Illusions should absolutely be the last song you hear when listening to A Dramatic Turn of Events. Ditto for Scarred with Awake (although I don't really like Space-Dye Vest) and The Killing Hand for When Dream and Day Unite. The only album where the longest song not ending the album is fine is Finally Free with Scenes From a Memory but being the last part of a whole story, it's different.
I also think what they're doing is pretty good for keeping the majority of their fanbase on board. They ARE changing things up, but in small ways, rather than radical ways. A new drum sound here, shorter, more concise songs there. Nothing mindblowing and not necessarily even things they haven't done in the past, but enough difference in approach from one album to the next that most (not all) fans don't get too bored.ITT: DT can't win.
I think that might be the biggest reason for not changing things up actually. Whatever they're doing right now is at a spot they know works; not everybody is happy, but enough people are to make it work. If they switched thing they might end up with a lot of people not liking it. And from what I've seen on this forum, there's a good chunk of people who are happy with DT's experimental past staying in the past, and their new output being very similar across albums.
ITT: DT can't win.It's not about DT winning or losing or pleasing. People are just stating what they happen to prefer, and that's fine.
27th June will be the star of Metal Hammer Festival in Katowice "Spodek".You play something new?Well, that's disappointing. But at least there'll be some rarities. I wonder what they'll play.
JP : No I don't think so. This year marks the thirtieth anniversary of our existence and rather, we will present our older songs also those whose long or almost never played.
Everything is fine.ITT: DT can't win.It's not about DT winning or losing or pleasing. People are just stating what they happen to prefer, and that's fine.
I also think what they're doing is pretty good for keeping the majority of their fanbase on board. They ARE changing things up, but in small ways, rather than radical ways. A new drum sound here, shorter, more concise songs there. Nothing mindblowing and not necessarily even things they haven't done in the past, but enough difference in approach from one album to the next that most (not all) fans don't get too bored.ITT: DT can't win.
I think that might be the biggest reason for not changing things up actually. Whatever they're doing right now is at a spot they know works; not everybody is happy, but enough people are to make it work. If they switched thing they might end up with a lot of people not liking it. And from what I've seen on this forum, there's a good chunk of people who are happy with DT's experimental past staying in the past, and their new output being very similar across albums.
Now, personally, I'd be quite happy with more radical changes, but I'm equally happy with what they're doing. I listen to absolutely hundreds of different bands, so if DT prefer to keep things reasonably stable, I'm fine with that.
As for the whole long songs vs short songs thing, I really don't care - that's such a specific and irrelevant requirement to me, considering I like or dislike albums with all sorts of variations in song lengths. I don't find any real correlation between those features and quality.
Um...that's pretty much how they write every album.
Um...that's pretty much how they write every album.
I was unable to locate it, but I remember reading a John Myung interview where he said the band wrote songs differently at the start of their careers, and he wanted to get back to that. This post is going to mean absolutely nothing unless I can back it up with a fact, so I will keep searching for that interview.
Does anyone else happen to remember this?
I was unable to locate it, but I remember reading a John Myung interview where he said the band wrote songs differently at the start of their careers, and he wanted to get back to that. This post is going to mean absolutely nothing unless I can back it up with a fact, so I will keep searching for that interview.
Does anyone else happen to remember this?
I also think what they're doing is pretty good for keeping the majority of their fanbase on board. They ARE changing things up, but in small ways, rather than radical ways. A new drum sound here, shorter, more concise songs there. Nothing mindblowing and not necessarily even things they haven't done in the past, but enough difference in approach from one album to the next that most (not all) fans don't get too bored.ITT: DT can't win.
I think that might be the biggest reason for not changing things up actually. Whatever they're doing right now is at a spot they know works; not everybody is happy, but enough people are to make it work. If they switched thing they might end up with a lot of people not liking it. And from what I've seen on this forum, there's a good chunk of people who are happy with DT's experimental past staying in the past, and their new output being very similar across albums.
Now, personally, I'd be quite happy with more radical changes, but I'm equally happy with what they're doing. I listen to absolutely hundreds of different bands, so if DT prefer to keep things reasonably stable, I'm fine with that.
As for the whole long songs vs short songs thing, I really don't care - that's such a specific and irrelevant requirement to me, considering I like or dislike albums with all sorts of variations in song lengths. I don't find any real correlation between those features and quality.
Yes. Id hate for them to suddenly go all Radiohead and put out a "Kid A".
I'd like to see them jam out an album instead of their usual writing process, but that won't happen :lol
AlsoI'd love them to make a more experimental album. With each member's background, something really good can come out of it. And with such a solid fanbase, I don't think they have much to lose.
Absolutely this.
Agreed.
The difference was that, with this "old way" he was talking about, they got together all the time and jammed and worked on music, or wrote/demoed songs before going into the studio.I was unable to locate it, but I remember reading a John Myung interview where he said the band wrote songs differently at the start of their careers, and he wanted to get back to that. This post is going to mean absolutely nothing unless I can back it up with a fact, so I will keep searching for that interview.
Does anyone else happen to remember this?
Yeah...it was part of the drummer audition tapes. He said that he and JP had sat down and wrote songs together in the way they used to earlier in their career for ADTOE....and that he liked that format and hoped to keep doing it. Not sure if that's how they wrote DT but I do recall him saying that.
And what i want to see is either a power metal album from them, or something that's more traditional metal, like Maiden or Priest.
The difference was that, with this "old way" he was talking about, they got together all the time and jammed and worked on music, or wrote/demoed songs before going into the studio.I was unable to locate it, but I remember reading a John Myung interview where he said the band wrote songs differently at the start of their careers, and he wanted to get back to that. This post is going to mean absolutely nothing unless I can back it up with a fact, so I will keep searching for that interview.
Does anyone else happen to remember this?
Yeah...it was part of the drummer audition tapes. He said that he and JP had sat down and wrote songs together in the way they used to earlier in their career for ADTOE....and that he liked that format and hoped to keep doing it. Not sure if that's how they wrote DT but I do recall him saying that.
The music is still produced basically the same way (jamming together); the only difference is that now they wait to do most of their jamming/writing until they get into the studio. So before, it was jam/write THEN studio; now it is jam/write IN studio (and has been, for the most part, since SFAM).
The difference was that, with this "old way" he was talking about, they got together all the time and jammed and worked on music, or wrote/demoed songs before going into the studio.I was unable to locate it, but I remember reading a John Myung interview where he said the band wrote songs differently at the start of their careers, and he wanted to get back to that. This post is going to mean absolutely nothing unless I can back it up with a fact, so I will keep searching for that interview.
Does anyone else happen to remember this?
Yeah...it was part of the drummer audition tapes. He said that he and JP had sat down and wrote songs together in the way they used to earlier in their career for ADTOE....and that he liked that format and hoped to keep doing it. Not sure if that's how they wrote DT but I do recall him saying that.
The music is still produced basically the same way (jamming together); the only difference is that now they wait to do most of their jamming/writing until they get into the studio. So before, it was jam/write THEN studio; now it is jam/write IN studio (and has been, for the most part, since SFAM).
Here's a novel idea: let them put out the album they want to put out.Now you're just being irrational.
What do you think this next album means to DT?I would assume:
-Nothing more than any other album in their past. Everything is fine. Nothing to prove. Just try to make music they are happy with.I don't know that there is good reason to assume otherwise.
I thought about asking this question in a dedicated thread but instead will ask here.
What do you think this next album means to DT?
-Nothing more than any other album in their past. Everything is fine. Nothing to prove. Just try to make music they are happy with.
-Needs to make a statement. Attendance trending slightly down. Album sales trending slightly down.
-Want to make a significant artistic statement late in career. Nothing else is more important.
Here's a novel idea: let them put out the album they want to put out.Now you're just being irrational.
27th June will be the star of Metal Hammer Festival in Katowice "Spodek".You play something new?
JP : No I don't think so. This year marks the thirtieth anniversary of our existence and rather, we will present our older songs also those whose long or almost never played.
For some reason, his quote about "long or almost never played" songs makes me think Octavarium might be making a comeback.
I doubt it. JP always said he doesn't like medleys all that much. And Octavarium could totally be possible for a festival headlining set, provided they don't play any other 15+ minute tunes in the set. The typical DT festival headliner is something near 80-ish minutes, right?For some reason, his quote about "long or almost never played" songs makes me think Octavarium might be making a comeback.
Doubt they'd squeeze Octavarium into a festival set, but maybe on a DT headlining tour. Medleyvarium perhaps?
I doubt it. JP always said he doesn't like medleys all that much. And Octavarium could totally be possible for a festival headlining set, provided they don't play any other 15+ minute tunes in the set. The typical DT festival headliner is something near 80-ish minutes, right?For some reason, his quote about "long or almost never played" songs makes me think Octavarium might be making a comeback.
Doubt they'd squeeze Octavarium into a festival set, but maybe on a DT headlining tour. Medleyvarium perhaps?
Songs that stick out to me initially as "long or almost never played" are songs like Octavarium, The Mind Beside Itself suite songs, Disappear, The Great Debate, Repentance, New Millennium, etc. That's without mentioning b-sides and cleaning out the closet songs. Raise The Knife is another that they should play occasionally, because it is just so good.
Explain.
For some reason, his quote about "long or almost never played" songs makes me think Octavarium might be making a comeback.The translation is a little ambiguous, but I read it as "songs that haven't been played in a long time, if ever".
For some reason, his quote about "long or almost never played" songs makes me think Octavarium might be making a comeback.The translation is a little ambiguous, but I read it as "songs that haven't been played in a long time, if ever".
The Answer Lies Within (has this ever actually been played live???)
Yeah...it was part of the drummer audition tapes. He said that he and JP had sat down and wrote songs together in the way they used to earlier in their career for ADTOE....and that he liked that format and hoped to keep doing it. Not sure if that's how they wrote DT but I do recall him saying that.
The music is still produced basically the same way (jamming together); the only difference is that now they wait to do most of their jamming/writing until they get into the studio. So before, it was jam/write THEN studio; now it is jam/write IN studio (and has been, for the most part, since SFAM).
The Answer Lies Within (has this ever actually been played live???)Unfortunately, yes.
Never played?SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH
RAW DOG!
If I was to bet, I think they'll play The Bigger Picture.That'd be awesome. I hope you're right.
Now that JP confirmed they won't play anything live, I'll bet on the round number 100.
Now that JP confirmed they won't play anything live, I'll bet on the round number 100.
So you are saying, JP will be playing air guitar? ??? ;)
The Answer Lies Within (has this ever actually been played live???)Unfortunately, yes.Never played?SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH
RAW DOG!
Any bets on how many pages for this thread before any actual news? Now that JP confirmed they won't play anything live, I'll bet on the round number 100.
:rollinNow that JP confirmed they won't play anything live, I'll bet on the round number 100.
So you are saying, JP will be playing air guitar? ??? ;)
Well, he already kinda does that.So you are saying, JP will be playing air guitar? ??? ;):rollin
That would be the coolest thing ever, especially if he pretends to sing too...
:lolWell, he already kinda does that.So you are saying, JP will be playing air guitar? ??? ;):rollin
That would be the coolest thing ever, especially if he pretends to sing too...
The Answer Lies Within (has this ever actually been played live???)Unfortunately, yes.Never played?SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH
RAW DOG!
I think Raw Dog would actually work well live. It's a high energy song and those type of songs are usually well suited for a live setting.
Oh my God. You're saying I've been playing the guitar wrong this whole time?Explain.
Well, see, when you take one of those out of the rack, fret notes with your left hand, and simultaneously strike the strings with the right hand, while the instrument is plugged in, it makes cool sounds.
Hope that helps! :D
I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
any news about the new release?
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Guilty as charged! Them playing it live has sparked my interest in TSF big time!
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Guilty as charged! Them playing it live has sparked my interest in TSF big time!
Me too although I think it translates live MUCH better than in the studio. There are some songs that just take a live performance to change your mind about the song but with this one, I think it is definitely better served in a live setting. I still don't really dig the studio version that much.
Well, I think any hatred of TSF was totally unreasonable and I wasn't even slightly surprised at how good it was live. It's a great song.Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Well, I think any hatred of TSF was totally unreasonable and I wasn't even slightly surprised at how good it was live. It's a great song.Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
The Shattered fortress is still one of my least favorite Dream Theater songs, but there are some great bits in it and it was worth seeing it live just for those little bits and sections. I was impressed that they decided to play it for the first time and perform it with so much power and attitude, even though I'm not too crazy about it.Yeah that took me completely by surprise. I was under the impression that that track would only be played if they did the whole suite.
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Raw Dog isn't that bad. The intro kinda sucks and goes on too long, but once the song gets going, it's pretty cool.
Kev, Repentance? Man that's the best song of the Suite.Fixed.
Kev, Repentance? Man that's the worst song of the Suite.
and I actually like the long ending; the vibe is very nice.
Raw Dog might not sound exactly as it was originally intended by the band. I don't quite remember what specific interview it came from, but Jordan Rudess stated that when writing Raw Dog they had originally incorporated the main melody/motif used in the soundtrack to the God of War franchise into the track but they couldn't use it due to copyright related issues.
I also enjoy Raw Dog, it seems a bit of a mish mash of different/cool riffs that were just pulled together to make an instrumental for a video game and if you take it like that and not as some serious song, then it can be fun and enjoyable.Well, it's not "for a video game" in the sense that it is background music for the game. It was for the release of the game - it was written to be on a companion collection of music put together to help promote the game. None of that music is in the game.
I also enjoy Raw Dog, it seems a bit of a mish mash of different/cool riffs that were just pulled together to make an instrumental for a video game and if you take it like that and not as some serious song, then it can be fun and enjoyable.Well, it's not "for a video game" in the sense that it is background music for the game. It was for the release of the game - it was written to be on a companion collection of music put together to help promote the game. None of that music is in the game.
Besides, there is no reason not to take it as a serious song. They wrote it and released it with their name on it, so it gets judged just like all of their other songs. I'm glad you like it, but it shouldn't get a pass for any reason.
Kev, Repentance? Man that's the best song of the Suite.Fixed.
They are professional musicians that were hired to provide a song for this. It's not any different than other artists having songs on a film soundtrack. I just don't understand in any way why the song should be judged any other way than any other song they have released.I also enjoy Raw Dog, it seems a bit of a mish mash of different/cool riffs that were just pulled together to make an instrumental for a video game and if you take it like that and not as some serious song, then it can be fun and enjoyable.Well, it's not "for a video game" in the sense that it is background music for the game. It was for the release of the game - it was written to be on a companion collection of music put together to help promote the game. None of that music is in the game.
Besides, there is no reason not to take it as a serious song. They wrote it and released it with their name on it, so it gets judged just like all of their other songs. I'm glad you like it, but it shouldn't get a pass for any reason.
I know it was not used in the video game, my wording was confusing, but Im not sure how to take the song seriously. Just because the band puts their name on it does not make it automatically a serious song. Other than having the DT name on it, what of the actual music would make someone take that song seriously? Is the band not allowed to right a song that is just fun and not meant to be anything more than that? Im not even sure thats the case, thats just the feeling I get from listening to the music.
Kev, Repentance? Man that's the best song of the Suite.Fixed.
Kev, Repentance? Man that's the best song of the Suite.Fixed.
Yup
Repentance has a extremely deep and beautiful melody, but the biggest problem IMO are those samples of other artists talking about their personal deceptions and stuff...the song would've been A LOT better if there was a tasteful and long moog solo, a la This Is The Life, or a freakin' lapsteel like the one from 8V into. I do like Repentance, and I have to say that I love JP's solo too...but it is my least favorite from the suite.
Hef, I don't agree with your logic on this one. Just because the band put their name on a song and released it does not NECESSARILY mean it was intended to be taken seriously. Do you think ’Mission from ‘arry’ was intended by Iron Maiden to be taken seriously and judged by the same criteria as ANY of their album tracks? I really don't think so. From what I seem to recall the band saying about Raw Dog when it was released, the band was just goofing around with some leftover ideas and not trying to write a fully fleshed out song. I'm not saying that somehow elevates it. It doesn't. But because of the context in which it was created, it is fairly obvious to me that it should not even really be considered and ranked alongside their "official" material. You can certainly do that if you like. But to me, it doesn't make much sense.I don't like Iron Maiden, so I have no idea what that song is. But I don't see how it would have any bearing on this.
More to the point, cramx didn't say the song shouldn't be taken seriously, he said it wasn't serious (which I took to mean serious in tone). DT have other, similarly non-serious songs, like Enigma Machine, a comparison that was made earlier in the thread.Where does it follow that Enigma Machine isn't serious? What does that even mean?
Raw Dog is also the only DT track not on a DT release I believe, maybe there is something to be said about that. Regardless, my point was the song doesn't sound serious and was meant as my opinion and I will also reiterate that I enjoy the song. But I will agree with he point Bosk made, just because a band puts its name on it, doesn't automatically make the song "serious". Many of bands have done purely stupid songs such as the IM track mentioned, but I am sure we can find many more examples from various bands.I'm not sure that it matters whether other bands would do it. It only matters whether or not DT would do it.
Kev, Repentance? Man that's the best song of the Suite.Fixed.
Yup
Nope.
Hef, I don't agree with your logic on this one. Just because the band put their name on a song and released it does not NECESSARILY mean it was intended to be taken seriously. Do you think ’Mission from ‘arry’ was intended by Iron Maiden to be taken seriously and judged by the same criteria as ANY of their album tracks? I really don't think so. From what I seem to recall the band saying about Raw Dog when it was released, the band was just goofing around with some leftover ideas and not trying to write a fully fleshed out song. I'm not saying that somehow elevates it. It doesn't. But because of the context in which it was created, it is fairly obvious to me that it should not even really be considered and ranked alongside their "official" material. You can certainly do that if you like. But to me, it doesn't make much sense.I don't like Iron Maiden, so I have no idea what that song is. But I don't see how it would have any bearing on this.
I don't remember the phrase "goofing around" in conjunction with Raw Dog, or any other info coming from the band in any way saying that it was seen by them as "less than" their other compositions or not to be serious. Certainly it was assembled from other unused parts of songs they had lying around.
In short, take it however you want, but I have certainly never seen anything from the band to the effect that this song is less serious than anything else they've written. In fact, they promoted it quite heavily, so if they actually blatantly half-assed it, I would be kind of upset, since I paid for it.
I thought about asking this question in a dedicated thread but instead will ask here.
What do you think this next album means to DT?
-Nothing more than any other album in their past. Everything is fine. Nothing to prove. Just try to make music they are happy with.
-Needs to make a statement. Attendance trending slightly down. Album sales trending slightly down.
-Want to make a significant artistic statement late in career. Nothing else is more important.
There are many other possible questions, I'm just wondering what they actually set out to do when they had their meeting(s) prior
to getting into the studio. And after 30 years as a band I'm curious as to what others think. I would have loved to be a fly on the
wall and hear their comments on this album.
Kev, Repentance? Man that's the best song of the Suite.Fixed.
Yup
Nope.
Nope.
The Root Of All Evil > The Glass Prison > Honor Thy Father > The Shattered Fortress > Repentance.
and I actually like the long ending; the vibe is very nice.
Marry me?
To me, that part of the song is a really cool, ingenious device for conveying the point of that step of the 12 step program in a unique and personal way. Unfortunately, to me (and I think many others), it just isn't something that is interesting to listen to repeatedly as part of a song. I still think it is really cool. But the novelty wore off after the first few listens, and I just do not feel like it is enjoyable to actually sit and listen to. It makes the song just feel too long and drawn out, and it just seems to plod and meander. It is a case of "brilliant concept that falls flat in the execution." That is why, although there is nothing that I actively dislike about the song and plenty that I do like, it still ranks VERY low for me and doesn't have a lot of replay-ability.I agree with all of that.
To me, that part of the song is a really cool, ingenious device for conveying the point of that step of the 12 step program in a unique and personal way. Unfortunately, to me (and I think many others), it just isn't something that is interesting to listen to repeatedly as part of a song. I still think it is really cool. But the novelty wore off after the first few listens, and I just do not feel like it is enjoyable to actually sit and listen to. It makes the song just feel too long and drawn out, and it just seems to plod and meander. It is a case of "brilliant concept that falls flat in the execution." That is why, although there is nothing that I actively dislike about the song and plenty that I do like, it still ranks VERY low for me and doesn't have a lot of replay-ability.This is how I feel. I think it's a cool song, and I'm glad they have it in their catalog, but I hardly ever listen to it, unless I'm committed to listening to the album in full.
To clarify for the record, I am not saying that Raw Dog was intended to be anywhere near the degree of "casual" as "Mission From 'Arry." Merely making the point that there is not reason to assume that, just because a serious band officially releases something, the band must somehow have intended it to be up to the same standards as their most polished, produced material. There are degrees of "seriousness"/"casualness." Call it a spectrum, if you like. That's all I was trying to point out by referencing that...er...song. Sorry for not being more clear.
With respect to Raw Dog, again, I am not suggesting it is on the same level of "goofing around" as "Mission From 'Arry." But from what I remember being said about it by the band, combined with the fact that it was merely released on a video game "soundtrack" (for lack of a better term), it is fairly obvious to me that the band was far more casual about this track than their album material. As such, I can easily write it off as a casual little release that I don't judge against their other material. Yeah, it is part of the DT catalog. And, yeah, it is something I never care to listen to. And beyond that, I don't even really register it.
As for it being something that you acknowledge as being in the catalog but something that you don't really register, you hate Eve, Hell's Kitchen and the studio version of Space Dye Vest, so I wouldn't consider that added detail as having much weight on the seriousness/casualness of Raw Dog. :P ;DYes, but I don't hate those other songs because they are not "serious." I just don't like them because they are not good songs. There is a difference.
EDIT: And, Hef, for your edification: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q0bGH8ScxE (the description of what is actually going on is probably more helpful (and perhaps funnier) than the actual audio)
EDIT2: This description of it by Bruce, Steve, and Nicko is actually funnier than the actual recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzN9JvDT0Oc
...Hell's Kitchen...feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions...
u crazyAs for it being something that you acknowledge as being in the catalog but something that you don't really register, you hate Eve, Hell's Kitchen and the studio version of Space Dye Vest, so I wouldn't consider that added detail as having much weight on the seriousness/casualness of Raw Dog. :P ;DYes, but I don't hate those other songs because they are not "serious." I just don't like them because they are not good songs. There is a difference.
But, hey, I'll give DT half a dozen "not good songs" out of the 100 or so that they've written. They've more than earned my fan-dom, many times over.
I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions.??? ??? ???
I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions.??? ??? ???
I get Raw Dog, but those other three are definitely complete.
I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions.??? ??? ???
I get Raw Dog, but those other three are definitely complete.
I wouldn't call Hell's Kitchen a complete song. It's the instrumental section that was taken out of Buring my Soul with an ending added just so it can segue into Lines in the Sand. It wasn't originally intended to be a full, standalone song.
I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions.??? ??? ???
I get Raw Dog, but those other three are definitely complete.
I wouldn't call Hell's Kitchen a complete song. It's the instrumental section that was taken out of Buring my Soul with an ending added just so it can segue into Lines in the Sand. It wasn't originally intended to be a full, standalone song.
You're a silly person.I wouldn't call Hell's Kitchen a complete song. It's the instrumental section that was taken out of Buring my Soul with an ending added just so it can segue into Lines in the Sand. It wasn't originally intended to be a full, standalone song.
Yup, exactly. If not for the fact that it serves as an intro to Lines In The Sand, they would have been better off scrapping it.
I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions.??? ??? ???
I get Raw Dog, but those other three are definitely complete.
I wouldn't call Hell's Kitchen a complete song. It's the instrumental section that was taken out of Buring my Soul with an ending added just so it can segue into Lines in the Sand. It wasn't originally intended to be a full, standalone song.
It wasn't originally intended to be a full standalone song, but they turned it into one by completing it. All of those listed songs are complete songs. I don't understand this argument at all.
Also, you people have no souls. Hell's Kitchen is beautiful.
Taking Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul was a brilliant move by DT.
To me, that part of the song is a really cool, ingenious device for conveying the point of that step of the 12 step program in a unique and personal way. Unfortunately, to me (and I think many others), it just isn't something that is interesting to listen to repeatedly as part of a song. I still think it is really cool. But the novelty wore off after the first few listens, and I just do not feel like it is enjoyable to actually sit and listen to. It makes the song just feel too long and drawn out, and it just seems to plod and meander. It is a case of "brilliant concept that falls flat in the execution." That is why, although there is nothing that I actively dislike about the song and plenty that I do like, it still ranks VERY low for me and doesn't have a lot of replay-ability.I agree with all of that.
Also, the intro is too long.
The actual song is pretty great.
I think if Hell's Kitchen is left off of the next tour Dream Theater should get a thousand paper cuts.
It hasn't been played live since the late 90s and even then it was only for a few shows so we have no real good bootleg of it and definitely no official live version.
Also, it's totally complete, it has a nice intro bit, a beefy middle, and a majestic ending. There are no cut/paste moments like in The Dance of Eternity or Raw Dog. Taking Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul was a brilliant move by DT.
Plus there are much more glaring omissions in the recent set lists.
Hell's Kitchen was not played on the Six Degrees tour.I think if Hell's Kitchen is left off of the next tour Dream Theater should get a thousand paper cuts.
It hasn't been played live since the late 90s and even then it was only for a few shows so we have no real good bootleg of it and definitely no official live version.
Also, it's totally complete, it has a nice intro bit, a beefy middle, and a majestic ending. There are no cut/paste moments like in The Dance of Eternity or Raw Dog. Taking Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul was a brilliant move by DT.
No, it was played on the Six Degrees tour.
I think if Hell's Kitchen is left off of the next tour Dream Theater should get a thousand paper cuts.
It hasn't been played live since the late 90s
No, it was played on the Six Degrees tour.
The song itself has only been performed by Dream Theater 4 times, all in December of 1998.
This thread is in a serious need of a renaming.How did I do?
Hell's Kitchen was not played on the Six Degrees tour.
The outro from Hell's Kitchen was used as the outro of the Instrumedley, which was played on the Six Degrees tour (and once on the TOT tour, at Budokan).
The song itself has only been performed by Dream Theater 4 times, all in December of 1998.
Hell's Kitchen was not played on the Six Degrees tour.
The outro from Hell's Kitchen was used as the outro of the Instrumedley, which was played on the Six Degrees tour (and once on the TOT tour, at Budokan).
The song itself has only been performed by Dream Theater 4 times, all in December of 1998.
That is mind boggling to me. For a band that has long been damn good at catering to the fans, to ignore a song, that is beloved by most of the fanbase, for this long is pretty unbelievable.
I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.
I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.It is hard for me to understand why it was released as a standalone song by a band who plays such complex music, since it just repeats the same 4 notes over and over and over for 10 minutes or however interminably long it drags on.
I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.
Hell's Kitchen coherently goes from psychedelia to prog rock to heavy prog rock to epic prog metal in barely over four minutes. One of the best mixed DT songs too (the bass is nice and loud).Have we given up talking about a new album and just started talking about random, unrelated songs?
Hell's Kitchen coherently goes from psychedelia to prog rock to heavy prog rock to epic prog metal in barely over four minutes. One of the best mixed DT songs too (the bass is nice and loud).Have we given up talking about a new album and just started talking about random, unrelated songs?
Hell's Kitchen coherently goes from psychedelia to prog rock to heavy prog rock to epic prog metal in barely over four minutes. One of the best mixed DT songs too (the bass is nice and loud).This exactly. It is a wonderful composition, showing many different sides of the band's personality.
So how good is sandstorm - Darude?
When I read this, I thought you were describing Stream of Consciousness (in which case I concur). But Hell's Kitchen? It's relatively short and ends where it should.I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.
I wouldn't say I dislike it. I just don't find anything likeable about it. It is hard for me to understand why it was released as a standalone song by a band who plays such complex music, since it just repeats the same 4 notes over and over and over for 10 minutes or however interminably long it drags on. Yeah, that makes it easy for JP to throw down some tasty soloing over the same notes. But I just don't need to hear a solo stretched out over the same 4 notes for so long without going anywhere.
When I read this, I thought you were describing Stream of Consciousness (in which case I concur). But Hell's Kitchen? It's relatively short and ends where it should.I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.
I wouldn't say I dislike it. I just don't find anything likeable about it. It is hard for me to understand why it was released as a standalone song by a band who plays such complex music, since it just repeats the same 4 notes over and over and over for 10 minutes or however interminably long it drags on. Yeah, that makes it easy for JP to throw down some tasty soloing over the same notes. But I just don't need to hear a solo stretched out over the same 4 notes for so long without going anywhere.
So how good is sandstorm - Darude?It's my favorite song by Sandstorm
...Not really.
So if they're packing up / setting up for the tour - that must mean that tracking is done ?
...Not really.
So if they're packing up / setting up for the tour - that must mean that tracking is done ?
It could just as easily mean that they are done for now, and will resume after the tour.
Not really.
It could just as easily mean that they are done for now, and will resume after the tour.
That's what I'd guess. Especially since they won't play any new songs, according to JP.
You'll at least want the drums done so they sound consistent throughout the album.
Unless Mangini has more than one of his kit. One for studio. One for live ?
It's probably more with regards to set-up in the studio rather than the drums themselves, mic placement, etc etc. For consistency it's best to set up and leave it, changing a mic just a little bit can drastically change the sound.
Exclusive look at Dream Theater's preparation for the summer tour!
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hmmm, Jordan posted a clip of ACOS to his fb... they're preparing for summer tour... Or why is he otherwise watching old videos...
This year is the 20th anniversary of ACOS and the 10th anniversary of OV. How about "condensed" versions of both songs? (not medleys)No, full versions only.
New Tour : Seasovarium.
Set 1 : A Change Of Seasons
Set 2 : Octavarium
Encore : Drum Solo
Looks more like The Geoff Tate band on tour.The Way I Roll :P
If ACOS isn't in the opening night setlist, I'll scream "DAMMIT JORDAN!!!" and proceed to smash my tablet on the floor...hmmm, Jordan posted a clip of ACOS to his fb... they're preparing for summer tour... Or why is he otherwise watching old videos...To troll us into a false hope? :lol
Octourvarium 10th Anniversary Summer Tour
Set 1: Octavarium
Set 2: Octavarium
Encore: Octavarium
Well set 1 should be Octavarium and Set 2 should be the 12SS then Set 3 should be Octavarium backwards.:rollin
The gig ends where it began. :dangerwillrobinson:
Well set 1 should be Octavarium and Set 2 should be the 12SS then Set 3 should be Octavarium backwards.
The gig ends where it began. :dangerwillrobinson:
Well set 1 should be Octavarium and Set 2 should be the 12SS then Set 3 should be Octavarium backwards.
The gig ends where it began. :dangerwillrobinson:
Well set 1 should be Octavarium and Set 2 should be the 12SS then Set 3 should be Octavarium backwards.
The gig ends where it began. :dangerwillrobinson:
I've heard Muiravatco is great live.
Figure out how to save the video, and I'd do that.
Figure out how to save the video, and I'd do that.There you go ;) https://mega.co.nz/#!uRhkBTrK!DrsqX27I6lR3jzGT03RtaQCkhCr89wJDDwEv48JCJjA
:lol Actually it's at 6:03 (3 frames, 6.1 seconds).
I think I can make out Panic Attack. Not 100% on that.
I should stop reading this thread, I wanted to go to the Rome gig knowing absolutely no set spoilers after having the whole set spoiled last tour :P
While i don't see any problem in this "silence strategy" about the new album, i don't really understand why there was no promotion at all about the upcoming tour. I mean, i know it mostly consists in festivals, which have their own promotional circuit, but here and there they're headlining some of the gigs - i'm thinking about Italy where 2 out of 3 dates are not festivals, and since here they use to play almost every summer if you don't have nothing new to give to the audience, it may become hard to sell tickets in a period where the general offer is so vast (as we saw with last summer tour).
Barletta and Roma are not festival dates?
Still confused as to why the Rome gig says the show starts at 9pm. DT wouldn't be on until extremely late. What's the curfew?
That whole Barletta gig is really hard to find, btw. The place doesn't even seem to have a website.
That whole Barletta gig is really hard to find, btw. The place doesn't even seem to have a website.There's one unneeded / misleading word in your post: and it's "gig". All the rest is fine :rollin
Still confused as to why the Rome gig says the show starts at 9pm. DT wouldn't be on until extremely late. What's the curfew?
Midnight.
That whole Barletta gig is really hard to find, btw. The place doesn't even seem to have a website.There's one unneeded / misleading word in your post: and it's "gig". All the rest is fine :rollin
That whole Barletta gig is really hard to find, btw. The place doesn't even seem to have a website.There's one unneeded / misleading word in your post: and it's "gig". All the rest is fine :rollin
Not sure I understand. Granted, not being a native speaker of English I might have an erroneous concept of the word gig. I am loosely using the term to mean "musical performance".
He was making a joke about the fact that Barletta is itself a very obscure place.That whole Barletta gig is really hard to find, btw. The place doesn't even seem to have a website.There's one unneeded / misleading word in your post: and it's "gig". All the rest is fine :rollin
Not sure I understand. Granted, not being a native speaker of English I might have an erroneous concept of the word gig. I am loosely using the term to mean "musical performance".
I am aware of the existence of Barletta only because it's the homeplace to a notorious Serie A referee :lolWhich explains a lot of things... :facepalm: :rollin
Guys, I don't know if this is allowed (If it's not, please delete this... Or at least ignore), but some random guy got this on the video JR uploaded yesterday.
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What are BitS and Lits?
Oh cool!!! I like all the songs that have been hinted at so far. But aside from Behind the Veil, I´ve seen them live a whole bunch of times...I´d be curious to find out how Mangini will perform A Nightmare to Remember.
Oh cool!!! I like all the songs that have been hinted at so far. But aside from Behind the Veil, I´ve seen them live a whole bunch of times...I´d be curious to find out how Mangini will perform A Nightmare to Remember.
FINALLY SOME NEWS!!
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FINALLY SOME NEWS!!
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Spot on... :rollin
Sorry but while "As I am" looks probable even if not so clear, "Behind the veil" and "Panick Attack" defintely yes, where do you read the word "in"in the third title on that frame?
I read XXXXXXXX AT XXX (THE?) XXXXX so simply cannot figure out... No DT song with the word "at" as I can remember... Unless it's a new one? Wow! Or cover? Naaaaahhh....
I cant wait till July 9th.. travelling from England to Germany to watch DT...
But Haken and Devin Townsend are also the supports... BEST GIG EVER. :metal :metal :metal :metal
I will be going to the show in Pratteln, Switzerland with Queensryche. As there are only playing 4 bands in total at this "festival", I'm assuming that they will play the more extended set. :tup
So I'm also hoping that they will pull out A change of Seasons, that would be a dream come true.
I love all of the 4 songs on the bottom of the blurry list. Maybe I would rather hear The Bigger Picture from the self titeled, but I'm REALLY ok with Behind the veil, too. :D
The Bigger Picture, to my taste, is the best song on DT12
The Bigger Picture, to my taste, is the best song on DT12
This might even be my favourite one of all time. There's just something about it that I love.
I agree, The Bigger Picture is the best on DT12. But even the best on that album only just barely breaks into my top 50.
Welcome, Krissi. Hope you enjoy the show.
I will be going to the show in Pratteln, Switzerland with Queensryche. As there are only playing 4 bands in total at this "festival", I'm assuming that they will play the more extended set. :tup
So I'm also hoping that they will pull out A change of Seasons, that would be a dream come true.
I love all of the 4 songs on the bottom of the blurry list. Maybe I would rather hear The Bigger Picture from the self titeled, but I'm REALLY ok with Behind the veil, too. :D
I would not bet against The Bigger Picture being played. JP was always vocal about his fondness for the song :tup
(I love how the new album thread has become a setlist decoder/DT12 discussion thread :rollin)
(I love how the new album thread has become a setlist decoder/DT12 discussion thread :rollin)
The lack of any hints or news has driven us to talk about the closest thing to DT13 :lol
I cant wait till July 9th.. travelling from England to Germany to watch DT...
But Haken and Devin Townsend are also the supports... BEST GIG EVER. :metal :metal :metal :metal
Haha, I`ll be there too :D
Will be my first DT show, so I hope the setlist is good, but the spoiled tracks were pretty good by now imo
I cant wait till July 9th.. travelling from England to Germany to watch DT...
But Haken and Devin Townsend are also the supports... BEST GIG EVER. :metal :metal :metal :metal
Haha, I`ll be there too :D
Will be my first DT show, so I hope the setlist is good, but the spoiled tracks were pretty good by now imo
I don't even care about the set list if all 3 of my favourite bands are on a stage in the same night!
What an experience for your first show! :metal
I know it's hopeful thinking, but as Jordan posted an old-school ACOS video a few days ago I hope they are reviewing the song for the upcoming tour. Probably not going to happen, but still a man can dream.
My guess is that they will play a subsection of it. It's too long to play on the festival circuit.They did play TCOT in the 2011 summer festival dates, though.
IT is probably my favorite, but I listen to the The Bigger Picture-Behind the Veil-Surrender to Reason stretch of the album more than any other part of it. Those 3 songs, especially in a row, feel the most inspired out of the shorter songs, imo, and of course they're the only 3 NOT played on the DT12 tour, even when 2/5 members gave TBP heaps of praise.
(I love how the new album thread has become a setlist decoder/DT12 discussion thread :rollin)
I know it's hopeful thinking, but as Jordan posted an old-school ACOS video a few days ago I hope they are reviewing the song for the upcoming tour. Probably not going to happen, but still a man can dream.
You want a real nugget? This will be the first time DT has released a studio album in a year with a 6 in it, and will complete having used every single digit from 0 - 9.
:tdwn
2016
2 + 6 = 8
6 - 1 = 5
OMFG NUGGETZ
Well, JLB said the album would drop in January 2016, so there's no large possibility of being released in 2015.You want a real nugget? This will be the first time DT has released a studio album in a year with a 6 in it, and will complete having used every single digit from 0 - 9.
Well... There's still the possibility of it being released on 2015... So no, the circle wouldn't be fulfilled...
You want a real nugget? This will be the first time DT has released a studio album in a year with a 6 in it, and will complete having used every single digit from 0 - 9.
Well... There's still the possibility of it being released on 2015... So no, the circle wouldn't be fulfilled...
There is no 8 either, tho.
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Unless you count the 1989 which I think you do. In which case it's true.
:omg: OMG 2 + 0 + 1 + 6 = 9 !!!
the next album is their NINTH if you don't count FOUR of their albums !!!!!
Maybe it will be a double album after all... like Iron Maiden's ;DMaiden was way less likely to do a double album than DT, so yea it's not a huge stretch at this point.
OBVIOUSLY A CONCEPT ALBUM
FFS - ITS THEIR 13TH ALBUM.
8 + 5 = 13
ITS OBVIOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Does this mean we get to start predicting character development for the next album?
You heard it first here: Nicholas travels back in time and saves Victoria, hereby killing himself!
:lol2016
2 + 6 = 8
6 - 1 = 5
OMFG NUGGETZ
:omg: OMG 2 + 0 + 1 + 6 = 9 !!!
the next album is their NINTH if you don't count FOUR of their albums !!!!!
Does this mean we get to start predicting character development for the next album?
You heard it first here: Nicholas travels back in time and saves Victoria, hereby killing himself!
This is heavy
Metropolis Part 4: The Valve Solution
And an album like that would get boring so quickly.
If you want to listen to DT13 you've basically got 4 choices.
That was partly my problem with BC&SL . if you don't like two songs - that leaves four songs to choose from to listen to.
Whereas Six Degrees has like 13 songs on it.
Whereas Six Degrees has like 13 songs on it.
No it doesn't. It has 6 songs. 13 tracks.
It has 13 BITS which you can SELECT. I call those SONGS because they ALL start and end individually...
It has 13 BITS which you can SELECT. I call those SONGS because they ALL start and end individually...
The SDOIT song-status conundrum is the greatest debate (nuggetz?!) in our fandom, probably even surpassing the one concerning our shady first keyboardist.
In my opinion, dividing SDoIT into tracks was a good decision. Listening to a 42 minute track would be rather tiresome after only a few spins.
DT calls it a single song, the end
:lol Terrible.It has 13 BITS which you can SELECT. I call those SONGS because they ALL start and end individually...
Not really. I have never listened to a section of SDOIT outside of the context of the song, because it would feel incomplete, and they DON'T all end individually, so that would be weird to try to listen to that way.
Parts of Octavarium start/end just as neatly (same goes for many of their other epics, including IT), the difference being that they didn't stick track markers in there for convenience. I actually wish they didn't put track markers in SDOIT at all.
Only 6 (six) f...ing songs. PERIOD.And let's not forget that on the CD version of Score, all of SDoIT is one track - it's not subdivided, which is further evidence that it is one song.
Yes but it is divided on the CD. It makes sense to keep it together on the DVD since it was that bonus feature thing and you could watch it altogether instead of having to select the next song in the extra features menu.
Yes but it is divided on the CD. It makes sense to keep it together on the DVD since it was that bonus feature thing and you could watch it altogether instead of having to select the next song in the extra features menu.
And nowhere is it labeled a song anyway. It's presented as a unit because it is a unit; a suite.
Yes but it is divided on the CD. It makes sense to keep it together on the DVD since it was that bonus feature thing and you could watch it altogether instead of having to select the next song in the extra features menu.
And nowhere is it labeled a song anyway. It's presented as a unit because it is a unit; a suite.
GREATEST HIT - AND 21 OTHER PREETY COOLS SONGS.
Solitary Shell is in it.
A radio edit of Solitary Shell is in it. Meaning, a version of the song that was altered from its original presentation. And kind of a worthless one, at that, since I doubt it ever got very much airplay.Yes but it is divided on the CD. It makes sense to keep it together on the DVD since it was that bonus feature thing and you could watch it altogether instead of having to select the next song in the extra features menu.
And nowhere is it labeled a song anyway. It's presented as a unit because it is a unit; a suite.
GREATEST HIT - AND 21 OTHER PRETTY COOL SONGS.
Solitary Shell is in it.
It's not hugely surprising or anything, but at least we know there will be some piano on the new album. It never goes out of style IMO.
Yes but it is divided on the CD. It makes sense to keep it together on the DVD since it was that bonus feature thing and you could watch it altogether instead of having to select the next song in the extra features menu.
And nowhere is it labeled a song anyway. It's presented as a unit because it is a unit; a suite.
GREATEST HIT - AND 21 OTHER PREETY COOLS SONGS.
Solitary Shell is in it.
Because it would have really rolled off the tongue to name it "GREATEST HIT AND 21 OTHER PRETTY COOL SONGS PLUS A SECTION OF A SONG AND SOME HACKED RADIO EDITS AND REMIXES ETC". You're in trouble if you're relying on a joking tongue in cheek compilation name as evidence of anything.
That's evidence that it can pass for a song on its own. They could never do that with "heretic" or "crimson sunset"
That's evidence that it can pass for a song on its own. They could never do that with "heretic" or "crimson sunset"
It's evidence that the heavily edited radio single of Solitary Shell can stand alone, just as sections of ACOS have stood alone when played live. I've also heard the middle section of A Nightmare To Remember edited to stand alone as a "song", but that doesn't make it so.
I don't know why these things are even debated when the evidence from the band is actually very clear.
That's evidence that it can pass for a song on its own. They could never do that with "heretic" or "crimson sunset"
It's evidence that the heavily edited radio single of Solitary Shell can stand alone, just as sections of ACOS have stood alone when played live. I've also heard the middle section of A Nightmare To Remember edited to stand alone as a "song", but that doesn't make it so.
I don't know why these things are even debated when the evidence from the band is actually very clear.
Well, I can give you MY reason to debate it. I ranked solitary shell as one of my favorite songs and Bosk argued that it was NOT a song. As I saw some people arguing otherwise too, and given that I can listen to it separately AS IT IS originally on SDoIT, I think it's fine to state my reasons for thinking what I am saying.
How in heaven the DT13 discussion turned into a grat debate about SDOIT?
BTW, I do consider SDOIT as a whole song divided into 8 sections/tracks as MP said once.
I look at SDOIT is a book. It has chapters that tell a whole story.Wow, that's profound!
I look at SDOIT as a marriage analogy.
I use it as a description of how my guts feel after Taco Bell.
I use it as a description of how my guts feel after Taco Bell.
TRAPPED INSIDE THIS LAVATORIUM!!!
The Ass Prison
This Dying Hole
The Booty of All Evil
Incontinence
The Splattered Toilet
The Ass Prison
This Dying Hole
The Booty of All Evil
Incontinence
The Splattered Toilet
I look at SDOIT as a marriage analogy.
Early 2016 = Double CD!
I'd have a heart aTAC!Early 2016 = Double CD!
That and a double Iron Maiden album would be TAC overload
Early 2016 = Double CD!
You guys are TACky.
But this is DTF.Early 2016 = Double CD!
Early 2016 doesn't mean anything. It just means they took longer. Doesn't mean they wrote a ton more music.
I hope it's better than Scenes, which it probably will be. :PI guess that remains to be..um..scene. :D
I hope it's better than Scenes, which it probably will be. :P
I hope it's better than Scenes, which it probably will be. :P
Oh no it's a solid enough album, I just think it's one of DT's weakest.I hope it's better than Scenes, which it probably will be. :P
So you don't want Scenes in your Memory?
Oh no it's a solid enough album, I just think it's one of DT's weakest.
I'm one of the few who can agree with ariich on that - bottom 4 for me too :angel:
SFaM is not in my top 5 or bottom 5. A middle-of-the-pack album for me.
DT haven't topped SFAM since SDOIT, and I have no expectation of that happening again.
DT haven't topped SFAM since SDOIT, and I have no expectation of that happening again.
SFaM is not in my top 5 or bottom 5. A middle-of-the-pack album for me.
There's no reason why the next album they make can't be just as great as all their other "great" albums
Oh no it's a solid enough album, I just think it's one of DT's weakest.I hope it's better than Scenes, which it probably will be. :P
So you don't want Scenes in your Memory?
Worse so, they have not released another top-5 album in 13 years.
I totally agree with you. For example, Rush's 12th album (Hold Your Fire) is my least favorite from the band and DT12 is one of the weakest albums from Dream Theater imo. Keeping that in mind Hold Your Fire doesn't hold a candle to DT12.Worse so, they have not released another top-5 album in 13 years.
Why does that matter? I think most DT fans would agree that an "average" DT album is still better than an average record in general, just like fans of most bands would say the same thing about those other bands, which is why we are fans, so I don't think DT releasing an "average DT" album at this juncture is bad. Think of it this way: what other bands had 11th and 12th studio albums as good as Dream Theater's? While I am sure you can list a few, most bands either do not last till as 11th album or are releasing total crap by then.
I see your point, but it all depends of course whether one indeed considers those "low" albums to be better than other bands' output. I obviously don't listen to music I don't enjoy, so in my mind I will compare it to the other recent albums I liked (Steven Wilson, Muse etc). There I must, personally, confess that no, I don't think those low DT albums are as good. I don't really listen to Systematic Chaos or DT12, at all at this point. ADTOE gets the occasional spin because there was something fresh about it. But there are definitely DT albums that I consider as bad as other bands' bad albums. DT doesn't have that "implicit offset" to me that it seems to have for some of you.
Maybe that's why I think they should try harder.
I totally agree with you. For example, Rush's 12th album (Hold Your Fire) is my least favorite from the band and DT12 is one of the weakest albums from Dream Theater imo. Keeping that in mind Hold Your Fire doesn't hold a candle to DT12.
I see your point, but it all depends of course whether one indeed considers those "low" albums to be better than other bands' output. I obviously don't listen to music I don't enjoy, so in my mind I will compare it to the other recent albums I liked (Steven Wilson, Muse etc). There I must, personally, confess that no, I don't think those low DT albums are as good. I don't really listen to Systematic Chaos or DT12, at all at this point. ADTOE gets the occasional spin because there was something fresh about it. But there are definitely DT albums that I consider as bad as other bands' bad albums. DT doesn't have that "implicit offset" to me that it seems to have for some of you.
Maybe that's why I think they should try harder.
i don't think their alleged lack of great material in recent years is from lack of trying. DT doesn't strike me as a band that is just churning out material just for the hell of it, especially in the post-Portnoy era. They, like 99.99% of the acts out there, were at their most creative early in their career.
I just don't see a "lack of great material" at all. I don't. That's one of the reasons I am as big a fan as I am. They have consistently put out albums where I think the vast majority on any given album is fantastic. So...I'm good with what they've done on their recent albums.
Hearing only one note from DT12 usually annoys me, but I don't agree that they're not putting out great stuff, as I really like ADToE. But DT12 is just completely bereft of all sorts of emotional, lyrical, and production quality, so I would love for the next album to be as far from that as possible, which I'm not really expecting it will be.
Of the two MM albums DT12 has "aged" the best for me. Whenever I spin ADTOE I usually just go to BAI and perhaps also BITS.
I was curious....what's the latest on the new album? This thread is massive! Figured it may be easier to ask.
:clap:I was curious....what's the latest on the new album? This thread is massive! Figured it may be easier to ask.
Quick summary:
I wouldn't mind another album like 8VM. But I have a feeling their next release will be more ADTOE/SFAM than Awake or 8VM.
I've been away a couple of weeks, where was it established that the release will be in 2016? Originally, it was supposed to be late this year, iirc.
Later on he said they're working on the album, which is not 100% finished yet, but will be right after this tour. Planned release date is Jan 2016 and then obviously a world tour (he also promiced to come in Minsk again on that tour, but that's probably what he would say at any show).
FII-8VM-TOT
JLB is on video saying that album will be out in the early part of 2016 and he has said that at several shows on the current festival tour. He also said there would be an extensive world tour to follow the release.I've been away a couple of weeks, where was it established that the release will be in 2016? Originally, it was supposed to be late this year, iirc.
Someone at the Minsk show reported that JLB said the album is likely to drop in January 2016:Later on he said they're working on the album, which is not 100% finished yet, but will be right after this tour. Planned release date is Jan 2016 and then obviously a world tour (he also promiced to come in Minsk again on that tour, but that's probably what he would say at any show).
We have since SC without a real Labrie lyric,
We have since SC without a real Labrie lyric,
What's not real about Far From Heaven?
I am thinking they are going to something big or different for this album since it is their 30th anniversary. That is why I am leaning to concept album or something more different than what we have seen lately.Yeah, someone met Jordan in April and asked him about the album - apparently it won't be conceptual, but something different:
I was at the Musikmesse yesterday. Early in the morning we went to the CME stand in order to see Jordans performance. He was a bit early so my friend and I had a short but very nice chat with him. I ask him how things are developing in the studio - of course he answered that everything is perfect. They have been writing music for one month now, now they are tracking the music. I told him with a twinkle in the eye that I know he is here just to tell me everything about the new album and that I want to share this information here on the DTF forum. We laughed about that and of course he replied that he will not give me any information - however after I asked if it will be a concept album? I know that he refused to give any information - however, the situation was really relaxed and we had a good laugh so I kept on asking.
He just smiled and said something like this "it will something a bit different..." - and I replied: So it will be a concept album? He replied with a huge smile that a concept album would not be anything different!! What was clear is that I would not read too much into this. I think that due to the mimics of him my questions remained completely unanswered. But what I read from his reaction was a huge satisfaction about the development and the progress of DT13.
and Labrie is gonna play the pan flute.
Rut might be too strong of a word. It just seems like there is something amiss when long time fans are saying that they barely listen to some of the newer albums.
Rut might be too strong of a word. It just seems like there is something amiss when long time fans are saying that they barely listen to some of the newer albums.
Well, two things:
1. MOST long time fans are not saying that.
2. As far back as I can remember, people have said that about every single release. Nothing new here.
Well, we do have a ballpark release date. So rumby isn't entirely accurate.
Well, we do have a ballpark release date. So rumby isn't entirely accurate.
Define ballpark.
I concur with Bosk.Well, we do have a ballpark release date. So rumby isn't entirely accurate.
Define ballpark.
I would say having a projected month qualifies.
Well, we do have a ballpark release date. So rumby isn't entirely accurate.
Define ballpark.
I would say having a projected month qualifies.
January 2016.
That information came to us at great cost, including the sacrifice of some of our dearest brothers' lives. Their sacrifice will not be forgotten.
brother's? that means they must be sons, sacrificed sons. I get it now.
Side note, I was listening to Suspended Animation the other day for the first time in awhile. I never thought it'd be possible, but I'm looking forward to JP's next solo album almost as much as DT13! Hope that comes out soon as well.
Thanks all, sounds like early 2016 it is.
Side note, I was listening to Suspended Animation the other day for the first time in awhile. I never thought it'd be possible, but I'm looking forward to JP's next solo album almost as much as DT13! Hope that comes out soon as well.
Pls boskSide note, I was listening to Suspended Animation the other day for the first time in awhile. I never thought it'd be possible, but I'm looking forward to JP's next solo album almost as much as DT13! Hope that comes out soon as well.
Yeaaaah, about that ....
We might as well rename :soon: to :jpsoloalbum: :lol
AFAIK, he has the entire album written and just needs to take the time (heh) to record the damn thing.Thanks all, sounds like early 2016 it is.
Side note, I was listening to Suspended Animation the other day for the first time in awhile. I never thought it'd be possible, but I'm looking forward to JP's next solo album almost as much as DT13! Hope that comes out soon as well.
I just discovered this album a few weeks ago, it's amazing! I didn't know that he was planning to release another one... really cool :metal
I'm sorry if this has been posted already, but here's confirmation of the new album being released early 2016 directly from the band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3QRT3guI3g
That information came to us at great cost, including the sacrifice of some of our dearest brothers' lives. Their sacrifice will not be forgotten.
Pussies to the wall is either a PETA lawsuit waiting to happen, or urinary tract infection.
Well, they weren't sued for the raw dog...OHOHOHOHOHO you clever people you.
Says the SuperTaco guy :rollin
Well, you know, "taco" is yet another euphemism for ... you know ... ;D
Well, you know, "taco" is yet another euphemism for ... you know ... ;D
Sometimes Rumbo you have to lead a joke to the .............
Well, you know, "taco" is yet another euphemism for ... you know ... ;D
Yea, but can you use it just by itself? I always thought you had to use a modifier like pink or fish . . .
Well, you know, "taco" is yet another euphemism for ... you know ... ;D
As far as I know, no other words are necessary. Taco is good enough for me to eat.
:tupSometimes Rumbo you have to lead a joke to the .............
There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data...
Going by his track record, he likes loud records. Maybe if he could jist do it Elements of Persuasion style which is loud but still ok to the ears.As I understand it, he didn't master DT12? I think he's involved at the recording stage, and in mixing (which for sure might be on the loud side already) but I don't find that bad in itself, the problem stems from too much compression at the final stage.
I've never really had a problem with the production of any DT studio album. I honestly think people that do are just too picky and need something to complain about.
Try playing The Enemy Inside and then " Calling Elvis " by Dire Straits. Make sure it's not a remastered version :p
Is it really that loud compared to recent stuff from other artists? When I play DT12 and Restoration or The Mountain by Haken, for example, the difference to my ears is not that much.
The HDTRacks DT12 is loud? It is compressed, but it is not loud. I often had to adjust the volume upwards when played in a shuffled playlist because the volume suddenly goes down. The HDTracks volume is almost one third less loud than the CD's.
Is it really that loud compared to recent stuff from other artists? When I play DT12 and Restoration or The Mountain by Haken, for example, the difference to my ears is not that much.
It's a bad comparison. Haken's material released under Inside Out is brickwalled as well.
Better compare it to a heavier song from "Hand Cannot Erase" - now that's a well produced album.
For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.
For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.
:(
For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.
:(
For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.
:(
Yeah, totally. Fit the mold. You get a great, creative drummer, but the moment he starts drumming for your band he needs to fit the mold.
For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.
:(
That is worrisome.
For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.
:(
That is worrisome.
I think you guys are reading this in a negative light. I think the key thought in MM's statement is that the DT guys wants to do things together. So a DT composition is a song that they come up with AS A GROUP together. If it is a musical idea that you came up with on your own, then it is yours. This only reinforces why the song credit for DT songs is always Music by Dream Theater. I think this is the reason whu JR and JLB always have a lot of solo material. If you came up with it on your own, then it is yours.
Maybe they do not want another Space Dye Vest situation.
I see no problem with coming up with musical ideas outside of the studio, and then developing them as a band. This is actually how many bands operate, and it works. I don't think writing everything together right there is necessarily always the best approach for every band member, and I think it's part of why the music shows less of their individual styles lately.
I want to hear all of these ideas that they might not think fits the "DT" mold, or something that differs from routine.
There are so many examples of great songs throughout history that almost didn't exist because the individual member who came up with it was reluctant to show it because it didn't fit the band's mold, but that's what made it extraordinary.
None of us here know what the truth is. Supposedly MM is a full member of the band. To me that means he has an equal say in theYou're right, we don't. But when MP was in the band, both he and JP directed things and as producers had the authority to veto an idea. That certainly was true especially when JR first came into the band - he had all these ideas he'd already come up with, but was vetoed numerous times. Recall even the crazy instrumental section in TDEN - JR had that idea but was almost afraid to share it with the other guys for fear of it being rejected.
creative department. Maybe they only want creative ideas from MM in the "drum" department. Like freedom to create drum parts
that fill a certain mold within a song but nothing more than that. Who knows. Only time will tell if he is totally happy with his
role in DT.
When MP was in the band, I think there was more of a push to write everything as a band in the studio - that's what MP likes to do, and it's for the most part what he still does in his other projects (aside from when he's just a hired gun), altho he obviously is open to fully written songs, if they are good enough (such as Wither and Bridges Across Forever). After he left, I remember reading interviews with JP and JR where they commented about how they'd work and develop ideas over time - if I'm not mistaken, they might have had the seeds planted in the studio, but then took some time away to work them out and fully develop them. So theoretically, they should be more open to MM's ideas than they would've previously.JP wrote songs like Wither and Beneath the Surface before the band entered to the studio. He came in, presented the songs in their demo forms for the band to learn and make arrangements if necessary. That's a 'Space Dye-Vest' situation if you ask me, which has nothing wrong with it IMO. Portnoy was the one that put the dark label on SDV by saying Kevin Moore wrote the song, and after they decided to include it in the Awake album he left the band; leaving the song unplayable.I think you guys are reading this in a negative light. I think the key thought in MM's statement is that the DT guys wants to do things together. So a DT composition is a song that they come up with AS A GROUP together. If it is a musical idea that you came up with on your own, then it is yours. This only reinforces why the song credit for DT songs is always Music by Dream Theater. I think this is the reason whu JR and JLB always have a lot of solo material. If you came up with it on your own, then it is yours.That is worrisome.For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.:(
Maybe they do not want another Space Dye Vest situation.
I think that if a member of any band comes up with a musical idea on their own, they should feel comfortable showing it to their fellow band mates. I would love to hear a song based around ideas from James or Jordan. It would certainly make the album more diverse.I agree - while I do think DT is a fairly diverse band, there is always room for more. And now with new personnel in the line up, there can be an injection of new and different ideas than previously. That's not to say I want to see DT make a 180º turn into something they're not, but certainly moving in some different directions than previously while still maintaining their core sound is something I welcome.
Not knowing what it is that MM is bringing in, or the context for how it is presented to the group, I think it is foolhardy and presumptuous to conclude that DT is neglecting or not taking full advantage of it's new star drummer.
For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.
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That is worrisome.
That didn't happen when MP was in the group, simply because MP was waaay more vocal and often forced his ideas into the group, or worked them around with the other members.
The point being, ALL words are subjective to a degree. What does "the mold" mean? DT is not a band to have a song like "Five Percent For Nothing" on it. Or a song with banjos. Or kazoos. Not knowing what it is that MM is bringing in, or the context for how it is presented to the group, I think it is foolhardy and presumptuous to conclude that DT is neglecting or not taking full advantage of it's new star drummer.This.
:huh:That didn't happen when MP was in the group, simply because MP was waaay more vocal and often forced his ideas into the group, or worked them around with the other members.
Not sure where you got that from, but you are misinformed. That is not how the band functioned, ever.
– What about Dream Theater’s future?
– We have been working hard on a new album, which will be released early next year. The good thing with this band is that we always manage to change the direction a bit. I think the Dream Theater fans will find what we have been working on interesting.
I can't remember a single album in history, DT and non-DT, where I have not seen that kind of statement :lol
So no double album either then.I wish I could find the quote but this thread is too long. Regardless, I paraphrased it about right. Which would eliminate a double album. But not a triple album :biggrin:
An album as one massive suite ? I guess they've kinda done that before too.
I said, it's going to be pop oriented.
A song will feature Ludacris on vocals with LaBrie while they rap at weird time changes.
They're finally going to do their world album.
I can't remember a single album in history, DT and non-DT, where I have not seen that kind of statement :lol
I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.
This is evidenced in two ways, firstly the song-writing itself, where even the quiet songs have to have metal bits (everytime I hear the intro to The Bigger Picture I wish it started with the piano part - the only reason I can see for that loud intro is that they don't want the metal kidz to think "OMG a ballard" and switch off. That intro just sceams "don't worry kidz, it'll get loud again in a minute".
But they do seem to have stopped trying. For me, Systematic Chaos was the first album that, while it has some moments of brilliance, doesn't really bring anything new to the party (although both TOT and 8VM lacked something). I've loved every album since, but they just don't compare IMO. The changes to their live shows haven't helped either.
I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.
I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.
This is evidenced in two ways, firstly the song-writing itself, where even the quiet songs have to have metal bits (everytime I hear the intro to The Bigger Picture I wish it started with the piano part - the only reason I can see for that loud intro is that they don't want the metal kidz to think "OMG a ballard" and switch off. That intro just sceams "don't worry kidz, it'll get loud again in a minute".
I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.
As a Dream Theater fan who is under the age of 21 and has been a fan for fewer than five years, I did not know that all I want is "something dumb and more and more metal." Thank you for informing me of this.
However I guess since I was never a metal-head, what The Curious Orange wrote doesn't really apply to me. I was into pop punk before before discovering Dream Theater :lol
I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.
As a Dream Theater fan who is under the age of 21 and has been a fan for fewer than five years, I did not know that all I want is "something dumb and more and more metal." Thank you for informing me of this.
I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.
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*hilarious post*
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
This forum hasn't made me laugh like this in a long time.
Plank Walk (7:37): A sailor prays to the heavens for aid in his loot. The gods answer and allow him to earn the power of being feared and respected as if he lived among them. The gods tell him which places to assault and earn loots, as well as how and when. In exchange, they ask him to become their spokesman, the gods were powerful but could not make the people of earth adore them by sheer power, they needed the voice of a mortal. So now the man, everytime he assaulted and looted someplace, was forced to tell everyone that he was a servant of some omnipotent gods. The man regrets this... <cut> Heaviest song on the album. Lyrics by: James LaBrie.
QuotePlank Walk (7:37): A sailor prays to the heavens for aid in his loot. The gods answer and allow him to earn the power of being feared and respected as if he lived among them. The gods tell him which places to assault and earn loots, as well as how and when. In exchange, they ask him to become their spokesman, the gods were powerful but could not make the people of earth adore them by sheer power, they needed the voice of a mortal. So now the man, everytime he assaulted and looted someplace, was forced to tell everyone that he was a servant of some omnipotent gods. The man regrets this... <cut> Heaviest song on the album. Lyrics by: James LaBrie.
You know, I actually like this one. Sounds like it would fit on Systematic Chaos alright.
THAT postBrilliant - I endorse with enthusiasm but I would then get John Zorn as guest musician to add a little bit of improvisational chaos here and there...
OK, firstly, I didn't mean to insult anyone, least of all younger fans. I like big, dumb metal just as much as anyone, it's just that I feel that there always used to be more to DTs sound - metal was just one of the colours in their pallette. It just seems to me that the "metal" has taken over, and there really seems to be a drive towards this "everything louder than everything else" sound that is so prevalent thesedays.
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I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.
As a Dream Theater fan who is under the age of 21 and has been a fan for fewer than five years, I did not know that all I want is "something dumb and more and more metal." Thank you for informing me of this.
Similar thing here. I'm in my mid-twenties and I became a fan with Black Clouds and Silver Linings. My top three is the typical Images and Words, Six degrees and Scenes. However I guess since I was never a metal-head, what The Curious Orange wrote doesn't really apply to me. I was into pop punk before before discovering Dream Theater :lol
Bands don't cater to their fans, band make music they want and the fan base has to adjust, or not.
ToT, SC and BCaSL at least were pushes for modern progressive metal. DT12 (at least the middle half of the album) is geared towards Iron Maiden and is too cheasy at times for my taste. I wish they'd stop doing that.
Bands don't cater to their fans, band make music they want and the fan base has to adjust, or not.
ToT, SC and BCaSL at least were pushes for modern progressive metal. DT12 (at least the middle half of the album) is geared towards Iron Maiden and is too cheasy at times for my taste. I wish they'd stop doing that.
Geared towards IM?
"-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues."
ohyes :hefdaddy
I don't think ADToE & DT12 are *unlistenable* - but they would both be improved with one small change.
I don't think Epicloud's snare sounds like DT12. On Epicloud, it actually sounds like a snare.I don't think ADToE & DT12 are *unlistenable* - but they would both be improved with one small change.
I think ADToE is fine, aside from a bit unenergetic and somewhat unnatural drum sound. But DT12 is nigh on unlistenable.
It's the hyperboles that kill me. Unlistenable?
The worst drum sound is Luna Park. Makes Mangini sound like an amateur that hits drums softly.
Yeah DT12's snare sounds like when you break the snare skin - stick gaffer tape on the rip and tighten it up again.
I just want an album that sounds as nice and airy as Octavarium again.
But I also know it won't happen.
The best we can hope for is the BC&SL mix again.
I'm really happy to hear the Evening With shows are sticking around for another tour as well! I wonder if MM is happy about that...
I'm really happy to hear the Evening With shows are sticking around for another tour as well! I wonder if MM is happy about that...
Im sure his bank account is happy with that :lol I know us fans are also happy about that.
I'm really happy to hear the Evening With shows are sticking around for another tour as well! I wonder if MM is happy about that...
Im sure his bank account is happy with that :lol I know us fans are also happy about that.
:lol For sure! I just meant that it seemed like the size of the set last tour among other things was stressful for him. Hopefully the longer he is in the band, the more comfortable he is with the songs and the performances. Also it will help that the percentage of tunes in the sets that he has recorded original drum parts for will probably continue to increase as more and more albums with him are released.
"-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues."I wonder if this is a result of them trying to be more involved in the social media side of things. This is especially good news, as is the rest of the info that was posted. I'm pretty stoked for this record.
ohyes :hefdaddy
"-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues."I wonder if this is a result of them trying to be more involved in the social media side of things. This is especially good news, as is the rest of the info that was posted. I'm pretty stoked for this record.
ohyes :hefdaddy
Apparently they have been around this forum in the recent year or two, which I meant to include in my point."-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues."I wonder if this is a result of them trying to be more involved in the social media side of things. This is especially good news, as is the rest of the info that was posted. I'm pretty stoked for this record.
ohyes :hefdaddy
Or just checked a thread on this site, like any DT related thread.
Apparently they have been around this forum in the recent year or two, which I meant to include in my point."-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues."I wonder if this is a result of them trying to be more involved in the social media side of things. This is especially good news, as is the rest of the info that was posted. I'm pretty stoked for this record.
ohyes :hefdaddy
Or just checked a thread on this site, like any DT related thread.
The "DT wants to hear from you" thread has been around for more than 2 months, but there's really no indication that it was read by any of the DT members. If I had to venture a guess, I think DTF's interaction with the band is through management, which shares new album information and media for releases.
No need to mention the actual handles, but do they have accounts? I do not recall ever having seen a post aside from Rena.Please explain who is this Mr. Picasso :\
EDIT: Except of course "Mr. Picasso" :lol
Yay!
-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost Souls
DisappearMeh.
and Take the TimeYay!
FFTYMeh.
-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost Souls
QuoteDisappearYay!Quoteand Take the TimeOK
FFTYMeh.
-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost Souls
QuoteDisappearYay!Quoteand Take the TimeOK
Oh, and I may in the minority here but I was hoping that they would do away with the Evening With Format. I may be getting old but 3 hours is a freaking long time to stand now adays. I would have a preferred a 2 hour DT Set with a high quality hour opener (Maybe Symphony X or Haken).
Oh, and I may in the minority here but I was hoping that they would do away with the Evening With Format. I may be getting old but 3 hours is a freaking long time to stand now adays. I would have a preferred a 2 hour DT Set with a high quality hour opener (Maybe Symphony X or Haken).
Who stands for the entire 3 hours
Oh, and I may in the minority here but I was hoping that they would do away with the Evening With Format. I may be getting old but 3 hours is a freaking long time to stand now adays. I would have a preferred a 2 hour DT Set with a high quality hour opener (Maybe Symphony X or Haken).
So just get to the venue late or leave early. Problem solved! :biggrin:Oh, and I may in the minority here but I was hoping that they would do away with the Evening With Format. I may be getting old but 3 hours is a freaking long time to stand now adays. I would have a preferred a 2 hour DT Set with a high quality hour opener (Maybe Symphony X or Haken).Even when I was still hugely into DT, I always thought the 3-hour sets were just too long. I totally agree that a 2-hour set with a strong opener is better.
Random thought from the comments James made in that interview... Does anybody else think its weird they acknowledged the negative reaction to the sound of the last album and then brought back the same guy to engineer the new album?
Also, there is a difference between saying "we are aware that people are saying this" and "yes, we acknowledge this was a problem".
FFTYMeh.
-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost Souls
QuoteDisappearYay!Quoteand Take the TimeOK
Random thought from the comments James made in that interview... Does anybody else think its weird they acknowledged the negative reaction to the sound of the last album and then brought back the same guy to engineer the new album?
Indeed. It could very well be that this was the sound they were going for, and I don't blame them, many people (including me) actually like the sound, but I guess they would be doing the right thing if they would adjust to the opinions of their fanbase.Random thought from the comments James made in that interview... Does anybody else think its weird they acknowledged the negative reaction to the sound of the last album and then brought back the same guy to engineer the new album?
Ehhh. A good producer can get the sounds the band are after. Just because they went with the sound of DT12 - doesn't mean he can't make an album sound any other way.
While I agree on most of the points you've made, BTFW really is up there with things like Score and Budokan, great production overall.
:lolThat can be the case depending on the opening act *and* each individual. So at best, I'd say it's a 50-50 proposition. For the vast majority of the opening acts that I've seen with DT, I'd happily give them up for another hour or so of music. Doing an Evening With show is more likely to satisfy the audience because there's more time to play more songs. And not having any extra bands on the bill, you won't have to worry about disappointing the fans with some band that the majority of the audience don't enjoy. Plus it's better for the band because they don't have to worry about splitting the revenue with any other bands or crew. So Evening With shows are win-win in my eyes.
Seriously though, I think opening bands, when well-chosen, can add more to the concert than just another hour of the main band. One of my favorite DT concerts was when they had Spock's Beard open up for them.
No silly - that's Fixed For That You!!! :biggrin:FFTYFixed Fixed That You !
-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost SoulsOoh yes.
DisappearYES.
and Take the TimeYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSS
No need to mention the actual handles, but do they have accounts? I do not recall ever having seen a post aside from Rena.
EDIT: Except of course "Mr. Picasso" :lol
Yeah, better to disappoint fans by wasting one of your two sets during an "Evening with..." show by covering someone else's entire album.I'll bite!
Oh yes, I went there. :biggrin:
Random thought from the comments James made in that interview... Does anybody else think its weird they acknowledged the negative reaction to the sound of the last album and then brought back the same guy to engineer the new album?Not weird at all. In terms of technical skill, he's obviously a very competent engineer. In terms of artistic and production choices, it sounds he was making suggestions that the band went along with and now realise the fanbase have reacted badly too. So keeping those same technical skills but making your own decisions about sonic approach is a perfectly sensible way to improve.
Random thought from the comments James made in that interview... Does anybody else think its weird they acknowledged the negative reaction to the sound of the last album and then brought back the same guy to engineer the new album?Not weird at all. In terms of technical skill, he's obviously a very competent engineer. In terms of artistic and production choices, it sounds he was making suggestions that the band went along with and now realise the fanbase have reacted badly too. So keeping those same technical skills but making your own decisions about sonic approach is a perfectly sensible way to improve.
I think Chycki has had far more wrongs than rights during his time as DT's main audio engineer. Live at Luna Park was underwhelming sonically, DT12 was a step down from ADTOE's mix and BTFW was good but could've been better (Score sounds way, way better).
I don't put any stock in comments bands make around the time an album is released. It's only with time you can gain perspective and objectivity.
I really hope they do hear the problems with DT12's production, and make changes accordingly. If you had production smack bang inbetween ADTOE and DT12, I think you'd actually end up with something quite good! :biggrin:
I don't put any stock in comments bands make around the time an album is released. It's only with time you can gain perspective and objectivity.
I really hope they do hear the problems with DT12's production, and make changes accordingly. If you had production smack bang inbetween ADTOE and DT12, I think you'd actually end up with something quite good! :biggrin:
Like the Happy Holidays release.
The point of my quoting JP and JM is that the sound in DT12 is pretty much what JP and JM wanted, and Rich Chycki getting what they wanted to sound like. So it's not really Chycki who is ultimately the one to "blame" for how DT12 sounded.
If they could get the drums to sound like BTFW and the bass to sound like DT12 and just cut the damn guitar down and keys up, that would be OK with me.
If they could get the drums to sound like BTFW and the bass to sound like DT12 and just cut the damn guitar down and keys up, that would be OK with me.
:tupIf they could get the drums to sound like BTFW and the bass to sound like DT12 and just cut the damn guitar down and keys up, that would be OK with me.
All of that, and not too much mastering compression sounds pretty damn good.
I think Chycki got the right mix of keys and guitar in the Happy Holidays record.
Yeah, we can blame all of them. But I think JP more than others, because in pretty much all interviews with him about the release, he's saying that he is the one who has this vision of them having this more in-your-face sound and them getting the sounds as they hear it while writing the music.Well yeah, the general approach was in your face and in the HDtracks version it's still loud and up-front, but at least it's not compressed to shit. I think the former is what the band were going for, and that's what they would have heard in the studio. It seems to have been at the mastering stage that things went wrong.
Yeah, we can blame all of them. But I think JP more than others, because in pretty much all interviews with him about the release, he's saying that he is the one who has this vision of them having this more in-your-face sound and them getting the sounds as they hear it while writing the music.Well yeah, the general approach was in your face and in the HDtracks version it's still loud and up-front, but at least it's not compressed to shit. I think the former is what the band were going for, and that's what they would have heard in the studio. It seems to have been at the mastering stage that things went wrong.
-James LaBrie will record vocals right afeter the summer tour ends, in Richard Chycki's studio in Canada.:tup
-Richard Chycki is the sound engineer once again...
-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues.
Absolutely this. That would be fucking awesome!If they could get the drums to sound like BTFW and the bass to sound like DT12 and just cut the damn guitar down and keys up, that would be OK with me.
Agreed!
Holy shit Blob, 30k+ posts!?
How the hell do you do that?
Holy shit Blob, 30k+ posts!?
How the hell do you do that?
By not having a life? :lol I hadn't even noticed.
Holy shit Blob, 30k+ posts!?It's easy.
How the hell do you do that?
Holy shit Blob, 30k+ posts!?It's easy.
How the hell do you do that?
Is it save to say if we don't have a DT13 announcement by end of the month, then a release this year is unlikely? A fall release is probably out, they usually announce albums months in advance.
Is it save to say if we don't have a DT13 announcement by end of the month, then a release this year is unlikely? A fall release is probably out, they usually announce albums months in advance.
Pretty sure the band has already said the album will be coming out in early 2016.
Edit: James mentioned it here https://youtu.be/ER9Y57sjC3o?t=2867
It's a wonderfully innovative, diverse and complex album that will be a testament to DT's renowned creativity and musicianship that continues to garner international praise.
An update from Chycki:QuoteIt's a wonderfully innovative, diverse and complex album that will be a testament to DT's renowned creativity and musicianship that continues to garner international praise.
That's about as general of a statement as one can be.
So, given the update from the guys at the Wacken interview, where they're saying they went into the studio in January, but they're still in there.... I mean, not to assume that this is consecutively day in day out, but it means they've been in the studio for 6 months now, which is a lot shorter than the previous two albums.
I'm gonna cross my fingers that this album will be especially special.
I have this one theory...
This could be DT's most ambitious album in a long while.
Many people say that they always say the same,that it's "different" or "special" or "unique", etc. But maybe this time they actually mean it.
It can't be that they say that so much this time, while at the same time remaining so silent about it. During the short interview, they actually stated that the album process was interrupted by the tour, which means that it's not complete.
Alright, consider that they got the base stuff, some organized and planned, yet they still got enough things to do to keep them "very busy" at hotel rooms and that. Which means that they are using this tour to see how the audience reacts to different moments of their careers and see what they can come up with, maybe indeed something unique we've not seen so far.
This tour is teaching them more about us, the fans, and it was to be inspiring, absolutely.
Dunno, the fact that it's taking so long, that there's no single and that they decided to get into a festival tour at this point, means that they're definitely doing something big.
I think they always mean it. They're not going to release something if they think it's subpar or not at the level of the other albums.In terms of it being "the best thing we've done", yeah definitely. Have to say, though, the language being used this time definitely feels different tonally. Chycki's comments such as "innovative" and "complex" are quite different from the sort of words being used before we knew anything about the last couple of albums, from what I remember anyway. Not saying that necessarily means anything.
Why do people go on these crazy rants about theories when we will hear news about the new album? There still in the middle of recording and broke off from a tour. How hard is that to understand. When they finish the album, they will release some info.
Why do people go on these crazy rants about theories when we will hear news about the new album? There still in the middle of recording and broke off from a tour. How hard is that to understand. When they finish the album, they will release some info.
Because DTF. :lol
How else do you get to 79 pages of discussion without over-analyzing generic platitudes?
It does appear they've had more time in the studio this time around. We'll just have to wait and see if and how this affects the end result.
That's about as general of a statement as one can be.
That's about as general of a statement as one can be.
I'm saying I'd rather they don't try to be the heavy metal guys and write inspired music instead, letting elements of metal be there is it feels natural. They seem to write better music that way. Sometimes it seems they force their music to be heavy and it ends up feeling awkward instead.
So, given the update from the guys at the Wacken interview, where they're saying they went into the studio in January, but they're still in there.... I mean, not to assume that this is consecutively day in day out, but it means they've been in the studio for 6 months now, which is a lot shorter than the previous two albums.
I'm gonna cross my fingers that this album will be especially special.
Shorter ?
They've been in the studio since Jan / Feb and usually the albums are out in September and we've had a single by now.
As long as it has classic Dream Theater elements like extended instrumental sections (which should stretch some of the songs to around 10 minutes), complex parts, and hopefully some high vocals by LaBrie, or at least vocal melodies as interesting as Misunderstood and Forsaken, I'll be happy.
That's about as general of a statement as one can be.
I'm saying I'd rather they don't try to be the heavy metal guys and write inspired music instead, letting elements of metal be there is it feels natural. They seem to write better music that way. Sometimes it seems they force their music to be heavy and it ends up feeling awkward instead.
I'm pretty sure he was talking about Chycki's statement on the new album.
I would be okay with no songs longer than Breaking All Illusions. It doesn't have to be over 15 or 20 minutes to be good.
The ones on DT12 grew on me more. They weren't bad. Major improvement over the past 2 albums, but yeah, I'm not saying he has to go F# on every song, but make it fun.As long as it has classic Dream Theater elements like extended instrumental sections (which should stretch some of the songs to around 10 minutes), complex parts, and hopefully some high vocals by LaBrie, or at least vocal melodies as interesting as Misunderstood and Forsaken, I'll be happy.
Yes, interesting vocal melodies are a must. They usually play it pretty safe, I'd welcome some variety on phrasing, etc.
I'd like a 60 minutes song... :biggrin:I would be okay with no songs longer than Breaking All Illusions. It doesn't have to be over 15 or 20 minutes to be good.
honestly it doesn't need to be over 5 minutes to be good
I thought that was a strength of DT12, some of the vocal phrasings were fresh. Maybe I am thinking of only a few and overgeneralizing, though.
Because I'm enjoying all the theories people are coming up with....makes for some interesting reading ;D
I'm enjoying the secrecy at the moment, but eventually I will want to know something, which I'm sure will come. I'd actually be fine if they just released the tracklisting and the track lengths, and nothing else. I don't need more than that.
Last time we didn't get any sample of the album (barring the "a cappella" line of The Looking Glass from the studio videos) until Enemy was released a few weeks before the album, right'
I remember when we first got the track listing, how a lot of us thought it was going to be like an 12-minute thing because it had three listed parts, and then we found out what it actually was. :lol
Actually does it have 3 parts listed somewhere? I have never really cared about it.
Should have called it False ExpectationsSuite, I guess.
That told us approximately nothing.
The band would be better without Rudess taking them deep into Casio Forest.
Hmmyes this math problem is quite fascinating
In regards to FAS, they should've just called it False Awakening and drop the whole 'suite' and 3 parts thing.
The band would be better without Rudess taking them deep into Casio Forest.
In regards to FAS, they should've just called it False Awakening and drop the whole 'suite' and 3 parts thing.
In regards to FAS, they should've just called it False Awakening and drop the whole 'suite' and 3 parts thing.
Well maybe False Awakening Suite is not the ''Suite of False Awakening'', but it's the ''False Suite of Awakening'' :omg:
That told us approximately nothing.Amen. Typical pre-album hype.
Without reading it I bet it's something like this:Haven't read BM comments for a while, but you're right, which is a surprise, since every time I've read them in the past, almost every single post was a dig at Portnoy, and how he sucks, has an ego, blah blah blah. I still expected the same.
hurr durr Mangini sucks Portnoy da best, Labrie sucks, we want Images and Words back!
Alright, consider that they got the base stuff, some organized and planned, yet they still got enough things to do to keep them "very busy" at hotel rooms and that. Which means that they are using this tour to see how the audience reacts to different moments of their careers and see what they can come up withIf there's something I'm really hoping for, is for them not to follow any audience reaction at all. To write something that is unaffected by what others want/expect from them.
I have a feeling that they will be using FAS as a show opener for a long time. They have gone on record to say that the motivation in writing FAS is to have their own intro music in their concerts.
I have a feeling that they will be using FAS as a show opener for a long time. They have gone on record to say that the motivation in writing FAS is to have their own intro music in their concerts.
I have a feeling that they will be using FAS as a show opener for a long time. They have gone on record to say that the motivation in writing FAS is to have their own intro music in their concerts.
It's fine as an intro track it serves it's purpose....but what is a "let down" for me is the few second gap between the ending of the FAS track and the beginning of whatever the opening song is. I'd like to see that first note/drum hit of the show opening song happen right as the ending note/drum hit of the FAS track ends.....have a seamless intro rather than that few second delay.
Boxset of the previous 3 albums ?
LaBrie to begin tracking vocals on August 6th.
Boxset of the previous 3 albums ?
Which one?Boxset of the previous 3 albums ?
LaBrie to begin tracking vocals on August 6th.
Did nobody else watch the interview ?
Also - Album in Feb and probably a LaBrie solo tour.
Boxset of the previous 3 albums ?
LaBrie to begin tracking vocals on August 6th.
Did nobody else watch the interview ?
Also - Album in Feb and probably a LaBrie solo tour.
I didn't know there was an interview :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu-KSxUd0tY
That told us approximately nothing.
Boxset of the previous 3 albums ?
I think he was talking about the deluxe editions. As in the big fancy box set for each separate album.
Begin recording vocals today for the new album.
Completely pumped, time to kick some serious Buccaneer ass...yaaarggh.
Pirate concept album incoming
I don't understand one thing. On Wacken interview JP said they are still writing in their hotel rooms, on the road. But if JLB is already recording vocals, didn't they finish with recording all songs? Or could it be James is recording songs others already recorded and then he'll wait for songs not yet finished? I always thought they leave vocals after everything else is done. But of course, maybe they reserved studio for recording vocals from today and they have to finish them before some deadline.I interpreted that as solos and overdubs being the things they were still writing.
I am off to teach, commune and enjoy all things drums at the Fantasy Camp in Chicago. I'll be at Vic's Drum Shop each day. Going over my curriculum today made me think that I should open up to teaching online starting in September. I'll be working to prep for DT 2016 w/song & show learning, photos, promos, video probably in the fall, but have time ... I may just book clinics.
Anyway, I think I can do classes between. Perhaps via Google Hangouts. Any Ideas? I had great fun & success teaching in the Lab format at Berklee and could possibly offer a set of topics where 9 people could sign up to focus on their interest. It is also cheaper and people get to see multiple perspectives. I'd be interested to know topics and times of the day people would sign up for. I have a lot of formulas and concepts as most of you know. Coordination, Speed, DT Drum Parts, Audition Prep, Quick Song Learning, learning Rhythm Knowledge 5 systems, Advanced Rhythm Knowledge in mixing the Systems, Polyrhythms, Advanced Coordination Polyrhythms... I could outline each on my website on a new page depending on who and how many people were interested in what. I have somebody to evaluate interested parties for grouping and do administrative stuff if enough people show interest.
I didn't know there was an interview :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu-KSxUd0tY
I'm hoping they do an album similar to SDOIT in format. A few epics and a concept disc, That would be fantastic, and given the prolonged studio time it could be possible this time around. It's anyones guess though what DT13 will sound like. In reality we will probably have ADTOE mixed with DT12.
I'm hoping they do an album similar to SDOIT in format. A few epics and a concept disc, That would be fantastic, and given the prolonged studio time it could be possible this time around. It's anyones guess though what DT13 will sound like. In reality we will probably have ADTOE mixed with DT12.
I think I remember one of the DT forum members spoke with JR tried to get info. JR said the cd would be different. The member asked about a concept cd and JR said we already did that, so it would not be different. The question comes to mind, what would be different?
Concept album - done, progressive - done progressive metal - done
I'm hoping they do an album similar to SDOIT in format. A few epics and a concept disc, That would be fantastic, and given the prolonged studio time it could be possible this time around. It's anyones guess though what DT13 will sound like. In reality we will probably have ADTOE mixed with DT12.
I think I remember one of the DT forum members spoke with JR tried to get info. JR said the cd would be different. The member asked about a concept cd and JR said we already did that, so it would not be different. The question comes to mind, what would be different?
Concept album - done, progressive - done progressive metal - done
I'm also working on electronic kit sounding simple, 4/4 grooves using some over the bar ride patterns just to give it some habanero spice. It is stuff that kids can feel, so it sort of pleases all.
I'm hoping they do an album similar to SDOIT in format. A few epics and a concept disc, That would be fantastic, and given the prolonged studio time it could be possible this time around. It's anyones guess though what DT13 will sound like. In reality we will probably have ADTOE mixed with DT12.
I think I remember one of the DT forum members spoke with JR tried to get info. JR said the cd would be different. The member asked about a concept cd and JR said we already did that, so it would not be different. The question comes to mind, what would be different?
Concept album - done, progressive - done progressive metal - done
Maybe a more contemporary sounding album, with less prog, aimed at "younger" fans. Mike said this once when he was snowed in Boston:QuoteI'm also working on electronic kit sounding simple, 4/4 grooves using some over the bar ride patterns just to give it some habanero spice. It is stuff that kids can feel, so it sort of pleases all.
"electronic kit sounding", "4/4", "stuff that kids can feel"
I herd the Roadrunner guy appeared in the studio thread for DT12, I wonder where he is right now...People are torturing him to extract information about DT13?
I see my shooped pic is in there too :lol
To make the wait more bearable, I've made a compilation of every DT album in one YouTube video for your listening pleasure.That is...incredible.
Unfortunately there was an accident during the export and they all got laid on top of each other instead of sequentially, but it's still good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7TITDPuMo
Enjoy.
I see my shooped pic is in there too :lol
New Millenium and ITPOE pt. 1 are possibly the two most annoying intro's combined.
I see my shooped pic is in there too :lol
That masterpiece is your handiwork? It's glorious. :lol
And so is that mish-mash of noise. And all of these years I've been wasting time listening to them individually. Pffffft.
To make the wait more bearable, I've made a compilation of every DT album in one YouTube video for your listening pleasure.
Unfortunately there was an accident during the export and they all got laid on top of each other instead of sequentially, but it's still good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7TITDPuMo
Enjoy.
I herd the Roadrunner guy appeared in the studio thread for DT12, I wonder where he is right now...That was a glorious moment in DTF history. :lol
The ending is really nice. After all that noise, you get the beautiful ToT ending.
And I do find it funny that the album that the record company wanted to be more commercial is also their longest.
Yea, I meant after they are combined.New Millenium and ITPOE pt. 1 are possibly the two most annoying intro's combined.
NM I will give you... but ITPOE pt1?! That was cut from the second half because it was too good not to be an album intro.
You've just infricted copyright 13 times.
Raw Dog was left out of BC&SL in favor of Wither.
But since Raw Dog is 7 minutes long and Wither is only 5, this would leave 2 minutes of empty disk, so they filled the remainder by making ANTR longer.
Hope this info helps.
Raw Dog was left out of BC&SL in favor of Wither.
But since Raw Dog is 7 minutes long and Wither is only 5, this would leave 2 minutes of empty disk, so they filled the remainder by making ANTR longer.
Hope this info helps.
I don't know where you got any of this information from, unless I just missed the joke. Raw Dog was not written at the time of BCASL, it was written specifically for the God of War soundtrack, using some leftover ideas from BCASL as a basis.
I don't know Darkstarshades well enough to assume one way or another, but if it's a joke, he played it straight enough to fool me. :lol
Raw Dog was left out of BC&SL in favor of Wither.Nah dude I'm pretty sure the remaining 2 minutes were filled by JR in A Rite of Passage.
But since Raw Dog is 7 minutes long and Wither is only 5, this would leave 2 minutes of empty disk, so they filled the remainder by making ANTR longer.
Hope this info helps.
Raw Dog was left out of BC&SL in favor of Wither.
But since Raw Dog is 7 minutes long and Wither is only 5, this would leave 2 minutes of empty disk, so they filled the remainder by making ANTR longer.
Hope this info helps.
Look at how many leftover tracks they still had from FII, when I don't think they've had any unused songs since.And I think it's a shame that this has happened. I mean, how many cool ideas for songs ended up on the cutting room floor just because they had 75 minutes of completed music? If they're on a roll, why not pursue some of those other ideas further and see how they develop? At the very least, they could be B-sides or saved as bonus tracks for compilations, and at most they might replace some of the lower quality songs that they originally were gonna have on the album. For that matter, if they feel that strongly about the all material, they could release a double album, or release 2 albums 6 months or a year apart.
Raw Dog was left out of BC&SL in favor of Wither.Nah dude I'm pretty sure the remaining 2 minutes were filled by JR in A Rite of Passage.
But since Raw Dog is 7 minutes long and Wither is only 5, this would leave 2 minutes of empty disk, so they filled the remainder by making ANTR longer.
Hope this info helps.
And I think it's a shame that this has happened. I mean, how many cool ideas for songs ended up on the cutting room floor just because they had 75 minutes of completed music?
I don't understand - how is FII their longest album when Six Degrees is nearly 20 minutes longer?
I don't understand - how is FII their longest album when Six Degrees is nearly 20 minutes longer?
I think they just mean longest disc. I think SDOIT disc 1 and 2 are playing at the same time.
Don't tell anyone but there's a chance I may have accidentally left out Repentance. :rollinWell that explains everything, too bad because I was really looking forward to solving a mystery.
Dream Theater’s keyboard player, the professorial Jordan Rudess, has said in an interview that maths and music are one complete thing in the mind of Mike Mangini – an observation that the drummer is quite happy to accept as being an accurate assessment of his approach to the science of playing drums. “Yes, that’s true, because understanding simple things like multiplication tables means I can work out how many bars to play before we come around to ‘one’ again. I practise as many permutations of this as I can with all 24 limb combinations. That means that I am prepared if the band is playing in 12/8, a standard time like that, Jordan can play 11/8, or 21/8, or 27/8 and I have the ability to keep the 12/8 beat that the band are following, but also follow the pattern that Jordan is playing at the same time. The vision is mathematical, and though I have to put the musical part in to make it sound good, the numbers are always in my head. We are now composing with these time signatures; there is a section on the new album where there is a part that sounds like the timings are all over the place, but it is actually just 4/4. We are learning to diversify our timings, and then re-sync up as and when needed.”
Whats the deal with magazine articles putting a pun of the band's name as the headline for every band piece they do ?
What purpose does it serve ?
From JLBs Twitter:
"The vocals for the next DT album are coming out amazing. Back in the studio tomorrow for some more tracking. Can't wait."
I appreciate updates - but those sort of things mean absolutely nothing. He's hardly going to say " New album vocals are patchy at best rawwwwwwwwwwk !! "
:lol
Really hoping we get something in the realm of a single and/or song teasers of some kind within the next month. This wait is starting to really dragggggggg.
Really hoping we get something in the realm of a single and/or song teasers of some kind within the next month. This wait is starting to really dragggggggg.
It seems way too early for that. We probably won't even get a title or anything until at least October.
I hope an October single is gonna happen. I really wanna get my teeth stuck into some new DT stuff. I've went back to Mars Volta and Dananananakroyd now just because I've listened my favourite DT songs to death now.
Really hoping we get something in the realm of a single and/or song teasers of some kind within the next month. This wait is starting to really dragggggggg.
I hope an October single is gonna happen. I really wanna get my teeth stuck into some new DT stuff. I've went back to Mars Volta and Dananananakroyd now just because I've listened my favourite DT songs to death now.
Not gonna happen, I think. They already said the album is going to be released in early 2016, so I expect a single by the end of this year at most.
Don't they usually have the single out a while before the video? I seem to recall OTBOA originally just having the album cover behind the video, then the video came out while they were doing festivals.
But my memory is basically useless.
I've cracked 2k. Gotta love the internet.I'll try and make an "all mars volta songs at once..." I want 2000 views too!
I sent it to the Meme Theater page but they didn't respond. :-[They've been pretty inactive for a year or so, since most of the admins set up a new page called "Prog Talk", which is quite awesome tbh. Will share your video there - let's see how many views it can get ;D .
I've cracked 2k. Gotta love the internet.I'll try and make an "all mars volta songs at once..." I want 2000 views too!
I remember getting in, having a seat with a whole lot of people I didn't know (the friends suddenly disappeared), and I honestly don't remember what happened next. A friend of mine called me slightly later and asked why I wasn't in the studio. Dreams can be fucked up. :biggrin:Shame. I was hoping for some sneak peaks. :biggrin:
I had a dream that the new album would be a two-disc concept album, with no song shorter than 10 minutes, multiple songs longer than 20 mins, featuring Metropolis pt 3, ITPOE pt 3 and (8*8=64)varium
My dreams are of naked, hairy DT members. AmIdoinitrite?
I had a dream that the new album would be a two-disc concept album, with no song shorter than 10 minutes, multiple songs longer than 20 mins, featuring Metropolis pt 3, ITPOE pt 3 and (8*8=64)varium
The rest of the summer? Autumn is starting tomorrow.
The rest of the summer? Autumn is starting tomorrow.
To me, september is the start of autumn. #relevant
But yeah, looking forward to some news. "Very soon" sounds good, but we'll see.
"Very soon" :'(Though optimistically speaking "Very soon" can be everything from in a week to 6 months so there's potential happiness in that statement.
In North America at least, Fall is Sep 21 to Dec 21.To me, september is the start of autumn. #relevant
But yeah, looking forward to some news. "Very soon" sounds good, but we'll see.
Yeah, all of that.
Does autumn really start on September 23rd for American guys? I didn't know.
For Evermind, Autumn starts tomorrow and then Winter starts on the 23rd! :lol
Very :soon:Dammit, got there before me.
Well they said the album should be out around February. That's *still* 5 - 6 months away or so.
Is it too far away to be releasing info ?
Probably too far away for a single.. ?
I wouldn't mind a double.This. But in the end, I'll care more about the quality of the songs, whether they're just 3 or 17 or whatever.
Please not a double album.Why does that matter? Sure if it's filled with filler tracks but nobody knows at this point. I don't see a reason why a double album would be a negative thing before you've heard the actual album?
Please not a double album.Why does that matter? Sure if it's filled with filler tracks but nobody knows at this point. I don't see a reason why a double album would be a negative thing before you've heard the actual album?
DREAM THEATER
"It's gone on longer than ever. You'll see why..."
John Petrucci on why the brand new album could be a double
Historically double albums are never the bands best work or have enough great material on to warrant so many tracks.Well, Six Degrees is my favourite DT so I don't agree with that. But that's because of the quality of the music, rather than the length. I have no strong opinion about it being a double album or not.
Because it is possible that they wrote more music than would fit on one album (which would be the first in a long, long time), but they haven't decided whether to release it all at once as a double album or maybe hold some back for an EP or B-sides or something like that.DREAM THEATER
"It's gone on longer than ever. You'll see why..."
John Petrucci on why the brand new album could be a double
It doesn't make sense to me. Why would JP especulate about the length of the album? It is or it is not.
There's an interview with JP in the next issue of Prog Magazine, which will come out on the 9th of September: https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/official-charts-and-prog-magazine-join-forces-to-launch-the-official-prog-albums-chart__10626/
I couldn't copy the image link of the mag cover on my phone, but it says:
DREAM THEATER
"It's gone on longer than ever. You'll see why..."
John Petrucci on why the brand new album could be a double
Historically double albums are never the bands best work or have enough great material on to warrant so many tracks.
You get the inevitable " oh - imagine if DT13 was one album " talk for years afterwards.
I suppose a double album could be a reaction to DT12 being relatively short.
Historically double albums are never the bands best work or have enough great material on to warrant so many tracks.
You get the inevitable " oh - imagine if DT13 was one album " talk for years afterwards.
I suppose a double album could be a reaction to DT12 being relatively short.
Perhaps they've recorded more than 80 minutes of music, but haven't decided whether all of it will make the final cut? (myung'd by hef)DREAM THEATER
"It's gone on longer than ever. You'll see why..."
John Petrucci on why the brand new album could be a double
It doesn't make sense to me. Why would JP especulate about the length of the album? It is or it is not.
Historically double albums are never the bands best work or have enough great material on to warrant so many tracks.
You get the inevitable " oh - imagine if DT13 was one album " talk for years afterwards.
I suppose a double album could be a reaction to DT12 being relatively short.
After listening to both Use Your Illusion albums recently I agree, there is about one album's worth of great songs there.
I have mixed feelings about DT13 being a double album. I was hoping more of an experimental approach to this new album but it seems (appears) that is going to be more of a quantity vs quality approach.
Do we even have confirmation that it's going to be a double album?
I have mixed feelings about DT13 being a double album. I was hoping more of an experimental approach to this new album but it seems (appears) that is going to be more of a quantity vs quality approach.
How can anyone make this assumption? No one has heard anything so how would anyone know what quality the album will be.
I'm firmly in the "please no double album" camp. I'd prefer a tight album and an EP of outtakes, à la Porcupine Tree's Fear of a Blank Planet and Nil Recurring. Six Degrees turned out pretty well, but most of 00s DT albums have included plenty of filler IMO.
These days, with playlisting, you can take out the tracks you don't like and make your own album, without the "filler". Or just don't listen to the whole thing in a single go, if you don't want to. No one's forcing you.
Well technically everyones filler should be everyone's filler since people misuse the word filler to mean " I don't like this song " when it should be used for when the band purposefully
writes a song with the sole intention of filling up space on an album.
And Metallica with Escape.
Black Sabbath I'm pretty sure admits that Paranoid was filler.
Didn't PMU start out as filler?
Didn't PMU start out as filler?PMU came from an idea from Derek Olver(One of the people from their label at the time). His suggestion laid the groundwork for the song, thus its working title of "Oliver's Twist".
The way it's been working for years is they write and record until they're satisfied, do all the post production stuff, and release. If they have written more music than will fit on once disc this time, there's no reason they can't do another double album.
I don't see the logic behind writing more music and then putting half the stuff you've written on B-sides or an EP. It just... Doesn't make sense IMO. All it does is essentially lock off all the extra music to the hardcore fans, who would probably just end up complaining about it anyway.
So, consider me in support of the album being exactly as long as needs to be. Even if it comes in a box the size of my house and is on 300 CDs; it means I won't need planning permission to build my evil lair.
Absolutely. How often have there been those "best of" threads on here with people listing their favorite song(s) from each album or listing them in order of preference. It amazes me how many people's opinions conflict with each other's about what's great and what's not.These days, with playlisting, you can take out the tracks you don't like and make your own album, without the "filler". Or just don't listen to the whole thing in a single go, if you don't want to. No one's forcing you.Good point, one person's filler is another one's ... treasure?
That being said, I have no problem with the band setting aside some of the songs that they've written and recorded for something other than an album, whether it be for bonus tracks, B-sides, compilations, soundtracks, etc. It might be a bit of a pain to collect, but as a collector, I do enjoy hunting them down like a hidden treasure that has to be found.
The only reason Dream Theater did not release Image and Words or Falling Into Infinity as double albums was because of the lack of control they had over their careers at the time. If the record company had been willing to give them carte blanche back then, as they did after SFAM, I'm sure we would have seen an 11 track 80+ minute I&W, and a 16 track 2+ hours FII. And frankly, that's the way it should have been.
FII was weak enough as a single album. ;DThat's because Raise the Knife didn't make the cut :'(
FII was weak enough as a single album. ;DThat's because Raise the Knife didn't make the cut :'(
One of the criticisms against DT is that once they had sufficient material to fill a CD (which is basically a double album based on yesteryear's time limits) they stopped writing.
Music isn't like a construction site where after a certain amount of work you can be sure of the quality of the output. I have personally been in the situation of writing songs in a band situation, and there are always the songs that everybody feels have great potential, but even after spending so much time on them, they just don't come together.I agree with both these posts. It's why I'd love for them to stay in the studio to develop all the other ideas that they had jammed out to see what might end up being some of their best material. Maybe that might mean economically they'd have to go back to writing in a rehearsal studio and do demos before moving up to the big recording studios - if so, I'm for it.
In DT's mode of operation, where they stop writing the moment they have enough material, those songs actually end up on the album.
But how many other cool ideas did they develop that never found a "home" simply because they stopped writing once they got roughly 80 minutes of material?
Music isn't like a construction site where after a certain amount of work you can be sure of the quality of the output.
I have mixed feelings about DT13 being a double album. I was hoping more of an experimental approach to this new album but it seems (appears) that is going to be more of a quantity vs quality approach.
How can anyone make this assumption? No one has heard anything so how would anyone know what quality the album will be.
I know. My point being is that DT has spent time in the studio since February and finished before this last tour they did. 4 months maybe in the studio? Ever since Systematic, DT seems to try and fill the disc with 70-80 mins of music instead of working on stronger songs. Again, this is my opinion. One of DT's problems in my view is quantity vs quality.
While all of this makes sense in theory, one big problem is that nobody agrees on WHICH parts would have been better left out. It has become very clear over the years that pretty much every DT song has some people who love it and some who hate it.One of the criticisms against DT is that once they had sufficient material to fill a CD (which is basically a double album based on yesteryear's time limits) they stopped writing.Music isn't like a construction site where after a certain amount of work you can be sure of the quality of the output. I have personally been in the situation of writing songs in a band situation, and there are always the songs that everybody feels have great potential, but even after spending so much time on them, they just don't come together.I agree with both these posts. It's why I'd love for them to stay in the studio to develop all the other ideas that they had jammed out to see what might end up being some of their best material. Maybe that might mean economically they'd have to go back to writing in a rehearsal studio and do demos before moving up to the big recording studios - if so, I'm for it.
In DT's mode of operation, where they stop writing the moment they have enough material, those songs actually end up on the album.
In a past interview MP told me that there's plenty of ideas that get left on the cutting room floor because they didn't fit in to the songs that they wrote for that writing session, and the vast majority of the time, those ideas are forever forgotten. Two exceptions to that are the heavy riff in TGP (beginning at 1:44) which they came up with during soundcheck on Touring Into Inifinity, and which they couldn't find a place for on SFaM, and IWBY which was mostly written during the ToT writing sessions but was abandoned because it didn't fit with the overall feel of the album. But how many other cool ideas did they develop that never found a "home" simply because they stopped writing once they got roughly 80 minutes of material?
Going back to FII, consider the fact that if Elektra simply accepted the first songs that DT came out with and they stuck to the 80 minute limit, there would be no Trial of Tears, Cover My Eyes, Speak to Me or New Millennium since those songs were written after they already had more than 80 minutes of material, not including Metropolis part II.
Let's complain about the length of the album after we've listened to it. I can't stand the whole "I'm firmly against a double album" when we haven't heard a single note. How can people can so closed minded?
::) duh it's TOTES obvious.
2.DT12 was dark and heavy like AWAKE. both have 9 tracks if you count AMBI as one "suite" or "song"
You know what that means? Two albums from now we'll finally have Metropolis Part: 3 :omg:
You know? This Awake theory is actually pretty reasonable.
The cycle ended with Octavarium, and started again with Systematic Chaos.
SC is considered bad (albeit not by me), so was most of their demo stuff.
BC&SL is also considered bad, even worse than SC (again, not by me). This could have been the new WDADU.
Portnoy is the modern Charlie. Leaves DT.
Joins new member, then it was James, now MM.
New album is written WITHOUT that member (I&W was written with no vocals and ADTOE was written without the drummer, JP creating it).
ADTOE resembled I&W as they would have done it back then.
DT12 is the new Awake.
The next album is totally FII related. Will someone leave the band?
The next album is totally FII related. Will someone leave the band?
I don't get how DT12 would be the "new Awake".I don't either.
That's cause it isn't.I don't get how DT12 would be the "new Awake".I don't either.
:lol yeah... i don't really get thatThat's cause it isn't.I don't get how DT12 would be the "new Awake".I don't either.
Maybe there'll be a song ''Metropolis pt 3'' on the album, just like Metropolis pt 2 should've been on the FII, but they weren't allowed to make a double albumIf that happens, then I predict that, after the album, Dream Theater will announce their new headlining world tour, with opening act, Ariana Grande.
lol
That's cause it isn't.I don't get how DT12 would be the "new Awake".I don't either.
You already just got that, though.
While I don't want a double album, I do want to see them return to writing songs in the 8-13 minute range.
No double album please. With Dream Theater, hearing their doing a double album will just result in a Oh Geez response from me because it doesn't really mean anything special from them. Every DT album feels like a double album. It just means more long instrumental parts and unnecessary keyboard solos, which we have heard enough of. I want a tight short album from them, like Awake :p
Maybe :rollinI guess you mean something like SOAD's Mezmerize + Hypnotize in 2005... The 2 CDs actually bundled together building one double CD in the end... They were just 6 months apart from each other, same year.
Honestly, I just don't like the pressure of "here's an album that is this long." However, I have no problem with situations where two albums are released back to back (as in, less than 6 months apart) and are meant to be related, because then they can be listened to individually or as a pair. So if they really have almost two hours or more of high quality music, I'd like to see a double release.
Now, speaking of preconceptions. - Long instrumental Jams and over the top solos is part of what drew me to this band in the first place, more of that to fill up a double album sounds like win to me.
Now, speaking of preconceptions. - Long instrumental Jams and over the top solos is part of what drew me to this band in the first place, more of that to fill up a double album sounds like win to me.
Exactly.
Now, speaking of preconceptions. - Long instrumental Jams and over the top solos is part of what drew me to this band in the first place, more of that to fill up a double album sounds like win to me.
Exactly.
At first it did but after Octavarium they started to sound less interesting and more like they were putting them in just because.
I got into DT around 2007 and I adored Rudess but over the years i've gotten really tired of his wacky lead playing and his lead tones have steadily gotten worse and his solos less interesting.
You know? This Awake theory is actually pretty reasonable.
The cycle ended with Octavarium, and started again with Systematic Chaos.
SC is considered bad (albeit not by me), so was most of their demo stuff.
BC&SL is also considered bad, even worse than SC (again, not by me). This could have been the new WDADU.
Portnoy is the modern Charlie. Leaves DT.
Joins new member, then it was James, now MM.
New album is written WITHOUT that member (I&W was written with no vocals and ADTOE was written without the drummer, JP creating it).
ADTOE resembled I&W as they would have done it back then.
DT12 is the new Awake.
The next album is totally FII related. Will someone leave the band?
comparing DT12 to Awake in any way is a travesty :lol
I'm not a big fan of Awake, bit it's miles and miles better than DT12.
And the DT12 haters are out again in bunches. Very predictable. ;)
For me, DT12 is more like Images and Words. And before you lynch me, let me explain what I mean. Images and Words is taking the direction they started with WDADU (marrying prog and metal), and making a definitive album out of that core sound. The second album they did this is Train of Thought, which took a new direction they experimented with in SDOIT (heavier, darker, more riff heavy) and then built an album around that core sound. Dream Theater, in my view, is an attempt to build on the direction they took in ADTOE (updating the more melodic DT classic sound) and make a definitive album around a core sound. Whether they succeeded in their attempt is a separate question.
For the two earlier "definitive" albums, they were both followed by albums that tried to infuse the core sound with then-contemporary elements. Awake with grunge, Octavarium with Muse. Maybe the next album would also infuse the core sound of the Dream Theater album with more contemporary elements. I hope it's not djent!
And the DT12 haters are out again in bunches. Very predictable. ;)
For me, DT12 is more like Images and Words. And before you lynch me, let me explain what I mean. Images and Words is taking the direction they started with WDADU (marrying prog and metal), and making a definitive album out of that core sound. The second album they did this is Train of Thought, which took a new direction they experimented with in SDOIT (heavier, darker, more riff heavy) and then built an album around that core sound. Dream Theater, in my view, is an attempt to build on the direction they took in ADTOE (updating the more melodic DT classic sound) and make a definitive album around a core sound. Whether they succeeded in their attempt is a separate question.
For the two earlier "definitive" albums, they were both followed by albums that tried to infuse the core sound with then-contemporary elements. Awake with grunge, Octavarium with Muse. Maybe the next album would also infuse the core sound of the Dream Theater album with more contemporary elements. I hope it's not djent!
agree! would take DT12 over Awake any day of the week.
How is SDOIT, ToT a variant of the same thing as SFAM? Or even SC and BC&SL?
How is SDOIT, ToT a variant of the same thing as SFAM? Or even SC and BC&SL?
I was asking myself the same question.
B.Lee
And the DT12 haters are out again in bunches. Very predictable. ;)
For me, DT12 is more like Images and Words. And before you lynch me, let me explain what I mean. Images and Words is taking the direction they started with WDADU (marrying prog and metal), and making a definitive album out of that core sound. The second album they did this is Train of Thought, which took a new direction they experimented with in SDOIT (heavier, darker, more riff heavy) and then built an album around that core sound. Dream Theater, in my view, is an attempt to build on the direction they took in ADTOE (updating the more melodic DT classic sound) and make a definitive album around a core sound. Whether they succeeded in their attempt is a separate question.
For the two earlier "definitive" albums, they were both followed by albums that tried to infuse the core sound with then-contemporary elements. Awake with grunge, Octavarium with Muse. Maybe the next album would also infuse the core sound of the Dream Theater album with more contemporary elements. I hope it's not djent!
agree! would take DT12 over Awake any day of the week.
Thank you for agreeing with my point. But I did not say I prefer Dream Theater over Awake. :p (Actually, Awake is my favorite album followed by Dream Theater). Or is that a separate thought? ;)
SFAM has 13 tracks?
:rollinSFAM has 13 tracks?
There is a actually a song after Finally Free on the album, but due to a mistake made during the production it ended up sounding like static noise.
Interesting, thanks to AboutToCrash for the facts :tup
So the double album quote was taken out of context, but it's cool to hear that it'll be something different this time.Yeah, he said no to the writers' block but not to the double album MUST BE A DOUBLE ALBUM THEN.
This new album is definitely not like anything else we’ve done before.LOL
Kotow, dunno if you saw but AboutToCrash posted all that on that on the last page, and without unreadable yellow text. :P
That would be even worse on my light background. :lolKotow, dunno if you saw but AboutToCrash posted all that on that on the last page, and without unreadable yellow text. :P
Feel free to change it to white.
For the three album releases and the time before I've seen, the talk has always been that "this is something new, different, the next step", but I agree with ariich, there's a different vibe over it all this time. It's all quite interesting and I'm definetely excited.
For the three album releases and the time before I've seen, the talk has always been that "this is something new, different, the next step"Dunno, JP has typically said "this album has got all the elements DT is known for and I'm sure our fans will love it" etc. Either way, this interview makes me believe this time they've genuinely made an effort to create something totally new, and it makes me curious and excited.
Excellent. I'm all for polarization and taking chances.
Call me blunt, but I don't think it's that much. Maybe a studio record with an orchestra? A concept album? A double album? What more could it be? It's not like they're going in an entirely different direction right now.
An album using only acoustic instruments.
Acoustic Guitar, Piano, Drums with no triggers or pads or anything, acoustic fretless bass and vocals.
An album using only acoustic instruments.
Acoustic Guitar, Piano, Drums with no triggers or pads or anything, acoustic fretless bass and vocals.
If DT12 had a much nicer drum sound and wasn't so compressed it would be a much better album. I enjoy nearly all the tracks on it but Awake I only enjoy three tracks on it. . .
If DT12 had a much nicer drum sound and wasn't so compressed it would be a much better album. I enjoy nearly all the tracks on it but Awake I only enjoy three tracks on it. . .
:tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
As I said before, I remain cautiously optimistic.
Dream Theater has never disappointed me so for me there is no need to be cautiously optimistic. I'm sure I'll like it.
This interests me the most. He's goes out of his way (not being led by the interviewer thankfully) to say this was something they needed to do, which implies very strongly that it's something noticeably different. And this excites me.So the double album quote was taken out of context, but it's cool to hear that it'll be something different this time.Yeah, he said no to the writers' block but not to the double album MUST BE A DOUBLE ALBUM THEN.
Of course, it is entirely possible, so we'll see. I was most interested in his comment accepting that the last couple of albums were safer and that there is some sort of change on the new one that they "needed to do". I've mentioned a bit earlier in this thread that the noises we're getting definitely go quite a lot beyond the usual fluff you get at this stage. It seems like the band genuinely believes they are doing something a bit different this time, more than previously.
Octavarium is more like their archetypal album as it contains elements of every style that they do.I absolutely agree with this. It was the first album I heard, so I may be a bit biased, but I think it's the perfect example of all of DT's elements on one album.
I absolutely agree with this. It was the first album I heard, so I may be a bit biased, but I think it's the perfect example of all of DT's elements on one album.
IT? :P
IT? :P
Eh no, not in a million years.
IT? :PYes, IT is better than Octavarium. *grabs popcorn* i'm serious about this though.
IT? :PYes, IT is better than Octavarium. *grabs popcorn* i'm serious about this though.
Interesting indeed. I'm hoping the extra studio time has gone into crafting one disc of something especially special, and not just creating a longer album of the same (although that wouldn't be anything different that they haven't done before).
I'm hoping the mention of a double album was just the equivalent of clickbait.
Yeah, I'll take IT over Octavarium any day. IT has so many good riffs and themes and it's just rockin. James put on his best studio performance since Awake, MM played his ass off. Octavarium, while it might be a better composition overall (plus it has JR's absolutely best solo ever), I really have to be in the mood to enjoy it (but then, I enjoy it immensely). It's a bit soft and slow for my tastes.
but an orchestra with only strings sounds pretty hollow.
but an orchestra with only strings sounds pretty hollow.
.....unless it's supposed to be a string orchestra
Here is Octavarium.
Here is the ballpark.
Here is IT.
Nope, not even close.
Don't get me wrong I think Octavarium is great (even though it actually took a while to grow at first) but... Illumination Theory just seems more interesting at this point. Maybe because the former I've listened to hundreds of times and the latter probably less than 50. lol
Don't get me wrong I think Octavarium is great (even though it actually took a while to grow at first) but... Illumination Theory just seems more interesting at this point. Maybe because the former I've listened to hundreds of times and the latter probably less than 50. lol
I was worn out on IT well before 50 listens, probably at about 10-20, and it was as much of a slog to hear live as ITPOE, which is about where I rank it with. No idea how many countless times I've heard Octavarium, but it still sounds as fresh and beautiful as ever.
Illumination Theory is an amazing song but Octavarium is simply on another plane of existence. I love all of their epics but ItPoE, IT, SDoIT, ACoS, and TCoT simply can't compete with the greatness of 8VM. IMO, it's the greatest song ever written.
Illumination Theory is an amazing song but Octavarium is simply on another plane of existence. I love all of their epics but ItPoE, IT, SDoIT, ACoS, and TCoT simply can't compete with the greatness of 8VM. IMO, it's the greatest song ever written.
I wouldn't go that far but I definitely think it's the best Dream Theater song - with Lines In The Sand a close second.
Don't get me wrong I think Octavarium is great (even though it actually took a while to grow at first) but... Illumination Theory just seems more interesting at this point. Maybe because the former I've listened to hundreds of times and the latter probably less than 50. lol
I was worn out on IT well before 50 listens, probably at about 10-20, and it was as much of a slog to hear live as ITPOE, which is about where I rank it with. No idea how many countless times I've heard Octavarium, but it still sounds as fresh and beautiful as ever.
As one of the resident IT lovers here, I just have to say that if the snare sound is enough for you to not appreciate the single best drumming composition in a DT song, I would say that you really are just predisposed not to like it from the start.
Illumination Theory is an amazing song but Octavarium is simply on another plane of existence. I love all of their epics but ItPoE, IT, SDoIT, ACoS, and TCoT simply can't compete with the greatness of 8VM. IMO, it's the greatest song ever written.
I wouldn't go that far but I definitely think it's the best Dream Theater song - with Lines In The Sand a close second.
Stop reading my diary.
Actually, I don't think much of most of the drumming composition in most of the DT songs. There is certainly a lot of cool playing (such as in Metropolis Pt. 1), but in real composing of drum parts, as a craft unto itself, I'm not crazy about a lot of it, despite my admiration of the drummers involved.As one of the resident IT lovers here, I just have to say that if the snare sound is enough for you to not appreciate the single best drumming composition in a DT song, I would say that you really are just predisposed not to like it from the start.
**puts stick in cage**
Metropolis, Pt. 1 has the single best drumming composition in a DT song.
The discussion topics in this thread are so random. I think I now understand why our attempts to revive the DT-side chat thread failed.Yeah... we're not the best at sticking to thread titles. :-\
who's ready for DT to release a djent record? i know i am
terrified of the prospect and hope that's not the case
OH FUCK NO.Good thing djent isn't defined that way then.
I cannot stand Tech/Djent/Mathcore whatever the fuck you wanna call it.
Just one string for the entire song with constant arpeggios underneath. YUK. :puke:
whatever the fuck you wanna call it.
Actually, I don't think much of most of the drumming composition in most of the DT songs. There is certainly a lot of cool playing (such as in Metropolis Pt. 1), but in real composing of drum parts, as a craft unto itself, I'm not crazy about a lot of it, despite my admiration of the drummers involved.As one of the resident IT lovers here, I just have to say that if the snare sound is enough for you to not appreciate the single best drumming composition in a DT song, I would say that you really are just predisposed not to like it from the start.
**puts stick in cage**
Metropolis, Pt. 1 has the single best drumming composition in a DT song.
I think IT is an exceptional drum composition.
IMHO, MP's best DT drum composition is perhaps The Great Debate (although I don't actually like the song itself all that much).
I think MP's best compositions were always with outside projects (LTE, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc) rather than within the boundaries of DT.
425, try to listen to the Paradox of Black Light part of IT. It's not very flashy, but when you pay attention, you wpuld notice that there are four drum patterns being played simultaneously. If you listen with headphones, you will hear a very loud china cymbal playing the downbeat somewhere in the "back". That's MM's left hand. Then you hear some cymbals playing counter patterns and highlights on the upbeat. That's MM's right hand. Then you hear a hi-hat playing sixteenth notes, going chikichikichikichiki. That's MM's right foot. And then finally the bass and snare playing the rhythm to support the main melody. That's MM's left foot and right hand. Each pattern adds texture and it takes composition skills to think that you can play all of these patterns simultaneously.Is it the part starting at 0:28? I tried different timestamps and was never sure I was hearing it.
Yes, that's it. Try to hear first that loud cymbal hitting the downbeat and notice how it's playing continuously the whole movement. Then play it again and listen at all the other patterns playing at the same time.
Then following the "verse change", MM reverses hands. You know hear a different pitched cymbal playing the downbeat playing in the left speaker, which means MM is now playing the downbeat with his right hand. The shift to a different pitched cymbal corresponds to the shift in the melody of the other instruments. Then it goes back to the initial pattern when the other instruments return to the main melody.
Following the mirror structure of the song, MM returns to a variation of this pattern in the outro, particularly after JP hit the climactic note.
djent as a genre has been really wearing on me lately, it's all incredibly samey and when you've heard like two or three bands you've heard them all, a few exceptions but not many :lol
i don't imagine a DT djent record would be very good, though they could probably add some flavor to it at least???
djent as a genre has been really wearing on me lately, it's all incredibly samey and when you've heard like two or three bands you've heard them all, a few exceptions but not many :lol
That has nothing to do with the genre and all to do with the fact that there are lots of bands who aren't very good. The same could be said about any genre (and often is said about prog metal, for example).djent as a genre has been really wearing on me lately, it's all incredibly samey and when you've heard like two or three bands you've heard them all, a few exceptions but not many :lol
Yep. My bro has to listen to a lot of them for his work and they really do all sound pretty much the same.
There is an ocean of bad djent bands out there that all sound about the same. The good ones are the ones that stand out and do their own thing. Just like there is an ocean of boring regular prog bands who all sound exactly the same. 90% of everything is crap, you just have to find the 10% that are good.o/
ninja's by ariich
That has nothing to do with the genre and all to do with the fact that there are lots of bands who aren't very good. The same could be said about any genre (and often is said about prog metal, for example).
There is an ocean of bad djent bands out there that all sound about the same. The good ones are the ones that stand out and do their own thing. Just like there is an ocean of boring regular prog bands who all sound exactly the same. 90% of everything is crap, you just have to find the 10% that are good.
ninja'd by ariich
Yeah, I'm pretty sure DT would not be able to pull of an all out djent album, which is not at all what I would want them to try. But I know that to have some small djenty influences in more standard prog can be really cool. Haken is doing it lately, and it sounds great.
I think the best riffs are the ones that you throw away for one section and everyone goes :o wow that part should be longer.That's a perfect summary of TGP.
What is djent? ???
What is djent? ???
A bit difficult to explain these days. I'd say it's a sub-genre of progressive metal that focuses a bit more on rhythmically complex and polyrhythmic ideas, while still maintaining a clear groove instead of having it be as head on "confusing" as regular prog can be for some.
All you need to know about djent is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psDZdQKgzoE).
All you need to know about djent is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psDZdQKgzoE).
Hey, I like that. :tup
Seconded. That was pretty awesome. I can understand how the genre might get samey after a while, though.Wouldn't any genre if that was all you listened to?
I'm with Ariich, Djent is a style much the same way Rap is a style.
Well rap isn't considered a musical genre so maybe that comparision doesn't really work :PI would agree
Well rap isn't considered a musical genre so maybe that comparision doesn't really work :P
Well rap isn't considered a musical genre so maybe that comparision doesn't really work :P
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Exactly.Well rap isn't considered a musical genre so maybe that comparision doesn't really work :P
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I think he means that rap is supposed to be a vocal delivery technique. The musical genre that we refer as rap would be hip-hop. At least that's what I think he means...
Well rap isn't considered a musical genre so maybe that comparision doesn't really work :P
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I think he means that rap is supposed to be a vocal delivery technique. The musical genre that we refer as rap would be hip-hop. At least that's what I think he means...
I'm with Ariich, Djent is a style much the same way Rap is a style.
So rather than saying "progressive technical groove metal band" you can just say "djent band" and people will know what you mean.Unfortunately that doesn't really work though, because in reality lots of people react like Kotow in thinking that you mean a band where every song is like that (and obviously bands like that exist, but again that's the same for any style).
The thing with Djent is that it gets old really fast. Like that video Lucas posted, its awesome for a one off listen, but as soon as you start sampling other bands from the genre you realise how one dimensional it is.Again, it isn't, because it isn't a genre.
Of course it is. There are enough bands around doing that kind of thing for it to be considered a genre.
People would've been arguing the same thing about 'Heavy Metal' back in the day. "Its not heavy metal, its ____".
This thread sucks.
It's no more a genre than palm-mute is a genre. :P
Anywhoo, hows that new Dream Theatre album coming along anyway?
Well I know for a fact that the album got cancelled because while they were in the studio John recorded the fastest guitar solo ever known to mankind. However this created an unbalance in the space-time continuum and John reverted back to his baby form.
The other guys then asked Mike if they could wish him back to his adult form with the help of his genie powers. He said that it would be possible, but since we're talking about John Petrucci he would need to channel Jordan wizard's power to increase his magical abilities to a sufficient level. This plan unfortunately failed as the spell fizzled, draining all of Jordan's power and turning Mike into a tambourine.
James and Jordan then realized that, in the chaos, John Myung swiftly fled with baby John. He only left a note saying: ''...''. They both understood that Myung had brought baby John to his secret ninja training ground to raise him as a ninja for the next few decades. Seeing as the band was basically over at this point, James offered the Jordan a place amongst his pirate crew. They were last seen riding a forklift towards Canada, with James rocking a tambourine in 19/16 over a bar of 7/8.
Well I know for a fact that the album got cancelled because while they were in the studio John recorded the fastest guitar solo ever known to mankind. However this created an unbalance in the space-time continuum and John reverted back to his baby form.
The other guys then asked Mike if they could wish him back to his adult form with the help of his genie powers. He said that it would be possible, but since we're talking about John Petrucci he would need to channel Jordan wizard's power to increase his magical abilities to a sufficient level. This plan unfortunately failed as the spell fizzled, draining all of Jordan's power and turning Mike into a tambourine.
James and Jordan then realized that, in the chaos, John Myung swiftly fled with baby John. He only left a note saying: ''...''. They both understood that Myung had brought baby John to his secret ninja training ground to raise him as a ninja for the next few decades. Seeing as the band was basically over at this point, James offered the Jordan a place amongst his pirate crew. They were last seen riding a forklift towards Canada, with James rocking a tambourine in 19/16 over a bar of 7/8.
The thing with Djent is that it gets old really fast. Like that video Lucas posted, its awesome for a one off listen, but as soon as you start sampling other bands from the genre you realise how one dimensional it is.Maybe you didn't really listen to it - djent doesn't get any more creative than that. Seriously. ;D
It's no more a genre than palm-mute is a genre. :P
No waaaaay. Djent-ing isn't a guitar technique, so that comparison doesn't make sense. I think it's valid term for the subgenre of Progressive Metal that does all that stupid djenty shit. It's a term that describes a sound that has morphed into the name of the genre, just like 'heavy metal' as a descriptor for a certain kind of music became the genre of Heavy Metal. Bands don't want to be associated with Djent because its stupid. "nah, we're progressive metal' - no you're not you're djent wanking all over the place mate.
Anywhoo, hows that new Dream Theatre album coming along anyway?
Is Afterlife's intro considered djent?
Is Afterlife's intro considered djent?
I think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.
back to the original topic; What do you think he meant by 'A huge undertaking'?. What could that mean?
back to the original topic; What do you think he meant by 'A huge undertaking'?. What could that mean?
This thread sucks.
What the fuck is djent? I swear I've never seen or heard that word before reading it in this thread.You and I are too old to understand the need for a new term.
Off to Wikipedia....
What the fuck is djent? I swear I've never seen or heard that word before reading it in this thread.I can't tell if you're serious or not... Would sarcasm green come in useful here?
Off to Wikipedia....
He's serious.What the fuck is djent? I swear I've never seen or heard that word before reading it in this thread.I can't tell if you're serious or not... Would sarcasm green come in useful here?
Off to Wikipedia....
He's serious.What the fuck is djent? I swear I've never seen or heard that word before reading it in this thread.I can't tell if you're serious or not... Would sarcasm green come in useful here?
Off to Wikipedia....
He's serious.What the fuck is djent? I swear I've never seen or heard that word before reading it in this thread.I can't tell if you're serious or not... Would sarcasm green come in useful here?
Off to Wikipedia....
Djent = Periphery...That can't be right, they don't do the various things that Kotow and others seem convinced that "all djent bands" do.
Djent = Periphery...That can't be right, they don't do the various things that Kotow and others seem convinced that "all djent bands" do.
John Petrucci @JohnPetrucci 5m
This new album will be like Victoria Sponge.
How about a Shepherd's Pie record?
what the heck, no it isn't, it's just heavy chords :rollinI think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.
I'd say the intro to The Mirror is proto-djent... but not really.
what the heck, no it isn't, it's just heavy chords :rollinI think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.
I'd say the intro to The Mirror is proto-djent... but not really.
No Press Release ? :eek
This Would Never Have Happened Under Portnoy ! :angry:
TL;DR version - “it’s really too early for us to be revealing anything" - JPHa! Beat me to it! Yeah, that was an article that said a whole lot about nothing at all.
More nothing. :lol
This album will be significantly different from the previous. We have gone to great lengths to not just rerecord the same songs, even though, there were moments that were close. Several times we had a "wait, isn't that..." moment. The thing that usually keyed us in was James starting to sing the lyrics already. Since James doesn't write lyrics, we knew something was up.
No Press Release ? :eek
This Would Never Have Happened Under Portnoy ! :angry:
Don't You Just Hate It When Posts Are Typed With Capitals At The Beginning Of Each Word Despite There Being No Reason To Do So?
No
Quote from: John PetrucciThis album will be significantly different from the previous. We have gone to great lengths to not just rerecord the same songs, even though, there were moments that were close. Several times we had a "wait, isn't that..." moment. The thing that usually keyed us in was James starting to sing the lyrics already. Since James doesn't write lyrics, we knew something was up.
You guys realize that was a joke post, right?
You forgot about polyrhythms, so it'd more like this:what the heck, no it isn't, it's just heavy chords :rollinI think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.
I'd say the intro to The Mirror is proto-djent... but not really.
if you were to type it out what would it look like Parama???
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
srsly tho, heavy palm muted chords is the basis of djent so...
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.This is so accurate.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.
They'll release all the info at once with the single on....christmas day.
They'll release all the info at once with the single on....christmas day.
At 6:00.
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.That what seems to have happened in this thread
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.
You forgot about polyrhythms, so it'd more like this:what the heck, no it isn't, it's just heavy chords :rollinI think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.
I'd say the intro to The Mirror is proto-djent... but not really.
if you were to type it out what would it look like Parama???
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
srsly tho, heavy palm muted chords is the basis of djent so...
DJENT DJENT, D-D-D-DJENT DJENT, DJENT, DJENT DJENT
D-D-DJENT DJENT, DJENT DJENT, D-D-D-D-DJENT
:P
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.
Judging from the previous post I've made a few pages back, I think I'm already way past that point :lol
You forgot about polyrhythms, so it'd more like this:what the heck, no it isn't, it's just heavy chords :rollinI think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.
I'd say the intro to The Mirror is proto-djent... but not really.
if you were to type it out what would it look like Parama???
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
srsly tho, heavy palm muted chords is the basis of djent so...
DJENT DJENT, D-D-D-DJENT DJENT, DJENT, DJENT DJENT
D-D-DJENT DJENT, DJENT DJENT, D-D-D-D-DJENT
:P
Actually, if you say 'djent' out loud it actually kind of resembles to harsh chuggin' sound that defines the genre.
dJent dJent d dJent
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.
At least we know it will be out Q1 2016.
Other bands have been giving release dates for the past 5 - 10 years...
At least we know it will be out Q1 2016.
Other bands have been giving release dates for the past 5 - 10 years...
Man, I feel like a Tool saying this, but...
Ya mean Tool?
:lol But Seriously. How many DT releases will have we had since 2006 ?
Score.
Systematic Chaos.
Chaos In Motion.
Black Clouds & Silver Linings.
A Dramatic Turn Of Events / The Spirit Carries On Doc...
Dream Theater.
Happy Holidays / Breaking The 4th Wall / Live at Luna Park
DT13
Lets pretend Chaos in Loltion doesn't exist.
Get excited @dreamtheaternet fan - pick up the latest @Revolvermag to see what's good with their new record!
QuoteGet excited @dreamtheaternet fan - pick up the latest @Revolvermag to see what's good with their new record!
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/644540160022048768
I don't understand the phrase " What's Good ? "It means "we really have nothing, so we're gonna say something that sounds good so you'll buy it."
How to be DJENT! (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDgQtwIwBWoVChMIro2YkYr9xwIVxYuQCh0L7QTR&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwfPOANlbyWw&usg=AFQjCNE58RPK6yN60Rc3rt5BpBBO4QuVLQ&sig2=Ev2TkoV2RjaCvYiI_D7Ciw)
Lets pretend Chaos in Loltion doesn't exist.No way, that's one of their best DVD packages. Some of the material is a bit rough, but most of it is awesome. :metal
DOES NOT COMPUTELets pretend Chaos in Loltion doesn't exist.No way, that's one of their best DVD packages. Some of the material is a bit rough, but most of it is awesome. :metal
DOES NOT COMPUTELets pretend Chaos in Loltion doesn't exist.No way, that's one of their best DVD packages. Some of the material is a bit rough, but most of it is awesome. :metal
Yeah, the release is worth getting for the bonus footage alone. As for the live performances, they're great. LaBrie isn't in his best shape, and the production is hit-and-miss, but it's a collection of raw footage, it even says so on the package. It's great to have a DVD like that in the era where everything is overproduced and polished. It's weird how fans get excited about messy fan recordings on youtube, yet this feels unacceptable.
It's weird how fans get excited about messy fan recordings on youtube, yet this feels unacceptable.No it isn't.
Oh man, the Seaboard is awesome. I want one so bad but couldn't justify the price atm. I think he didn't use it enough on the last album. :P
Hmm what's his source on that? Did the band say it right at the gig?I have no idea but you can be sure that if Stéphane Auzilleau (who's been close to the band since a real long time) says that, it's the truth. I think he got to interview or at least talk to the band members and they revealed it to him. Had the band said it out loud during the gig, it would have leaked sooner. In the article, he says : "a few leaks are talking about a rather special concept album".
As long as it's completely new, not some metropolis pt. 3 bullshit, I'm fine with it
So sequels, no dumb Pt. # memes, none of that. Just a solid, narrative album with an extreme variety of musical styles. That is what I want.Yes!
Star Wars Ep 3.5: Darth Vader throws down
It all lines up. (Sheesh. I honestly will not be into new news album until the first music clips or single is released)
Just a solid, narrative album with an extreme variety of musical styles. That is what I want.
Memorable songs. That's all I ask for.
you still feel that they can release something incredible and rival some of their best work if everything clicks into place this time around.
It's amazing that a band in their 50's (well 3 of them) after a 30+ year career and 12 studio albums that people can still believe they can put out a masterpiece and get so excited for new material. That mindset is so rare for other bands of this longevity. That's what makes this band truly special, you still feel that they can release something incredible and rival some of their best work if everything clicks into place this time around.Absolutely!!! :tup
It's amazing that a band in their 50's (well 3 of them) after a 30+ year career and 12 studio albums that people can still believe they can put out a masterpiece and get so excited for new material. That mindset is so rare for other bands of this longevity. That's what makes this band truly special, you still feel that they can release something incredible and rival some of their best work if everything clicks into place this time around.
You're probably right. I just thought it odd that his guitars are still there. Would have thought he'd taken them home if guitar tracking has been finished for a while.Me too.
I would guess that # 3 is the least likely.
A lot of times, bands record vocals and then solos last.
2. Last day tracking guitars. Isn't James doing vocals in Canada with Rich Chycki ? That should be done by now ! When did James put on facebook that he had entered the studio to begin
vocals ? Wasn't hat like the start of August or something ?
" I tried a triad with F#, C and D#
Sounded horrible. :emo: "
" I tried a triad with F#, C and D#
Sounded horrible. :emo: "
I would guess that # 3 is the least likely.My guess is they just finished solos while James is finishing vocals. And that mixing/mastering should start probably next week.
" I tried a triad with F#, C and D#
Sounded horrible. :emo: "Those are 3 of the 4 notes in a dominant V7 in G major. It works. The fifth of the chord is simply omitted, which is fine in part-writing
edit: read that as a D at first, this chord (*C, Eb. Gb) functions as a weak vii to Db major. Still works
" I tried a triad with F#, C and D#
Sounded horrible. :emo: "
You don't like the sound of a diminished chord?
This thread isn't even about DT13 anymore... :-\
Speaking of non-sequiters... Slayer are rubbish aren't they ?
Speaking of non-sequiters... Slayer are rubbish aren't they ?
Reign in Blood is their only good album. The most overrated metal band ever.
The most overrated metal band ever.I went to see one of their recent singles, because when bands like that put out new stuff they usually go all commercial, and sometimes it's way better than their normal stuff. Well, Slayer haven't changed a bit and are still very boring sounding to me..
B-but... Slayer is for posers and angry teens who wanna feel br00tal.
Not sure why this thread has turned into bashing Slayer, but while we're at it, yeah, I mean, I understand that for every type of sound there is, there's gonna be someone out there who will like it, but I will never understand how Slayer has such a huge and loyal following, or how they got to be one of the "Big Four".
not true
Kotowboy, we get it, you don't like Slayer.
Fuck, get on with it, people.
I have half a mind to just lock the thread until there IS actually some news.
Kotowboy, we get it, you don't like Slayer.
Fuck, get on with it, people.
I have half a mind to just lock the thread until there IS actually some news.
I have half a mind to just lock the thread until there IS actually some news.
Lock it when it gets to the last comment of the 99th pageGenius.
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Okay, stay with me on this one, we can't be 100% sure, but I think that's John Petrucci on the picture, so maybe he is a guest feature on the new album?Yeah, and since Jordan Rudess was working on sounds for it, I guess he's playing on it too. Hard to believe they're both going to play on the same album, it has to be great! :D
I have the feeling this is going to be an awesome album. They have taken their time in the studio with this one. I hope they revisited during the summer tour, the material they had written and made a few changes...
I have the feeling this is going to be an awesome album. They have taken their time in the studio with this one. I hope they revisited during the summer tour, the material they had written and made a few changes...
What was the longest *actual studio time* ( not time between albums ) previous to this ? Which album did it produce ?
Shortest studio time was probably Train of Thought ? I know it only took 3 weeks to write the entire album.
Common sense says it should be Six Degrees for obvious reasons... ?
Kotowboy, we get it, you don't like Slayer.
Fuck, get on with it, people.
I have half a mind to just lock the thread until there IS actually some news.
And to stick with the theme of this thread, i couldn't name a single slayer song and so i assume they are an overrated band lol.This...
" I tried a triad with F#, C and D#
Sounded horrible. :emo: "Those are 3 of the 4 notes in a dominant V7 in G major. It works. The fifth of the chord is simply omitted, which is fine in part-writing
edit: read that as a D at first, this chord (*C, Eb. Gb) functions as a weak vii to Db major. Still works
Or as the top of a Vb9 in Bbm :D
i don't understand the appeal of slayer, at all
I have the feeling this is going to be an awesome album. They have taken their time in the studio with this one. I hope they revisited during the summer tour, the material they had written and made a few changes...
What was the longest *actual studio time* ( not time between albums ) previous to this ? Which album did it produce ?
Shortest studio time was probably Train of Thought ? I know it only took 3 weeks to write the entire album.
Someone posted that a little while back, probably buried by the discussion about completely irrelevant topics.......
Given how recently JR was talking about still recording, and the guitar cases in the pic, I'd be inclined to say it's just the last day of recording guitars. I wouldn't think they'd have done a final mix at this point. Does anyone know when/if JLB has been recording vocals yet?
6DOIT: Unspecified months in 2001I don't know the actual months they were in the studio, but don't forget that in 2001, MP and JP did the summer G3 tour, so the band wasn't in the studio for probably 2 months.
ToT: March 10 - September (2003)
*snip
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Mike Mangini said in an interview that their first single will be released early October, source: Wikipedia.
How about this one? :biggrin:*snipShit, I had forgotten how much I dislike that promo picture. :(
How about this one? :biggrin:*snipShit, I had forgotten how much I dislike that promo picture. :(
*snip
or even this one (which I find almost as ridiculous)
*snip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5egA3dZ91Dc&list=RD5egA3dZ91Dc#t=0
Rick Astley had prior commitments so collaboration on DT13 is taking a bit longer than expected. But we have this gem
Isn't Jordan doing some kind ofmasterclass at Seawater in Indiana later this month?
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Mike Mangini said in an interview that their first single will be released early October, source: Wikipedia.
Rewatched some of Breaking the Fourth Wall. Quality release, but it's hard to get used to the pre-recorded backing vocals....
Also: 100 pages!! :metal
I do believe this will be the second last post on this page.
So, what now? 200 pages?NOW WE CAN DELETE THIS THREAD :metal
And today marks the one-year mark since anything was released by DT :(
(BTFW was released last year on this day)
Say what you will about MP, but that would have been unheard of in his days.
When did they release nothing for 2.5 years when Portnoy was in the band ?
When did they release nothing for 2.5 years when Portnoy was in the band ?
Startin' here as well? ::)