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Title: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 08, 2015, 09:03:45 AM
Apparently, Dream Theater is back in the studio in February for a new album due for release in the fall.  https://www.simcoe.com/whatson-story/5246821-dream-theater-s-james-labrie-coming-home/
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on January 08, 2015, 09:10:11 AM
The recordings of the last two albums started in January and both albums came out in September, so a release date in October may not be too far-fetched.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on January 08, 2015, 09:13:05 AM
Oh, hell yeah! :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on January 08, 2015, 09:13:18 AM
Yes Can't Wait :D :D :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: nikatapi on January 08, 2015, 09:14:02 AM
Expected, but i'm hyped any way. Can't wait to see what they come up with.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on January 08, 2015, 09:30:41 AM
Well, if they feel they're ready to go again, I'm all for it. Album cycle number 13, here we come!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on January 08, 2015, 09:39:37 AM
Most excellent.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Art on January 08, 2015, 09:53:40 AM
cool!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on January 08, 2015, 09:57:11 AM
Just please don't call it 13, XIII or some bullshit like that. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on January 08, 2015, 10:01:54 AM
I am kinda partial to th1rt3en myself.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 08, 2015, 10:14:56 AM
I am really not a fan of DT12, so I remain sceptical about a new album. But of course, I am still curius and am hoping for them to make something great, because we all know that they can.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: lithium112 on January 08, 2015, 10:16:53 AM
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: yeah_93 on January 08, 2015, 10:17:04 AM
That's nice. Hope it's better than DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on January 08, 2015, 10:17:27 AM
I am really not a fan of DT12, so I remain sceptical about a new album. But of course, I am still curius and am hoping for them to make something great, because we all know that they can.

12 was a grower.  I liked it when it first came out.  I love it now.  So I am skeptical of your skepticism.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 08, 2015, 10:23:15 AM
^ It has done the exact opposite for me. I liked it when it first came out, but for everytime I hear a song from it I like it less and less.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 08, 2015, 10:24:55 AM
DT12 was terrific. Real eager to see where they go with this new one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on January 08, 2015, 10:34:39 AM
I really do not know what to expect from DT13. I'm gonna go into it trying to avoid any preconception of what it may or may not be. On a similar note, I want to avoid any and all musical clips that may or may not surface between now, and the release of the first single. Having a blank picture in your mind when that first note hits... It makes for a more complete experience.

It's so damn difficult for me to be patient though. This is my favorite band. Over the last few album cycles I overlistened everything the moment it arrived. That's not gonna happen this time. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on January 08, 2015, 10:39:14 AM
Illumination Theory and The Bigger Picture are still great, and I enjoy all of them when I listen to them, but I seem to just never find myself seeking them out. I hope the same does not apply to DT13. I want to love these songs. My expectations remain low.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mladen on January 08, 2015, 10:59:10 AM
DT12 was okay, but I hope they think outside the box with this one. If they stick with shorter songs, they need to be catchier, dammit.  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on January 08, 2015, 11:10:03 AM
DT12 was okay, but I hope they think outside the box with this one.

The problem is that they have their "signature sound" box that they can't leave without "alienating their fans". I wouldn't put too much hope into it.

I still think it's pretty bullshit, no offense
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 08, 2015, 11:22:22 AM
^ It has done the exact opposite for me. I liked it when it first came out, but for everytime I hear a song from it I like it less and less.
That's how BC&SL hit me.  I liked it at first, but now, I like Wither and TSF, and the rest can go hang.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 08, 2015, 11:29:02 AM
^ It has done the exact opposite for me. I liked it when it first came out, but for everytime I hear a song from it I like it less and less.
That's how BC&SL hit me.  I liked it at first, but now, I like Wither and TSF, and the rest can go hang.

I don't think I ever liked BC&SL. Sure, Wither is nice, but that's about it.

ADToE however, that's still an album I really like. So if DT13 gets as good as that one, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: dream416 on January 08, 2015, 11:53:52 AM
Making the drive to Midland to see James & hopefully we'll get some nuggets about the new album.
Just hope the weather holds out lol.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 08, 2015, 12:16:53 PM
I would like to see a more of a jazz prog  Liquid Tension type of an album rather than a song oriented album. For me, it is the musicianship and instrumentals that I enjoy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 08, 2015, 12:28:06 PM
I just want to see something other than the really boring intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus-outro formula. It's a rather out-dated thing in prog, now more than ever.

I'm also hoping JP puts a bit more thought into his lyrics. Having the title of the song be the emphesis in every chorus is also a really un-modern thing to do prog-wise and just gives me the feeling like he's not even trying to be creative.

The song-formula thing can change, there is a possibility. But unfortunately I don't see the JP lyrics thing change at all. But one can always hope.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 08, 2015, 12:30:57 PM
And so, It Begins!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JUCfX1P1ik

Obviously, I'm excited.  Liked DT12 .  I don't know how they approach this new album.  I just hope they just make some good enjoyable songs that I can relate to and be immersed in and that would be very dandy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: perfey on January 08, 2015, 12:33:14 PM
Nice! It will be interesting to see what they will come up with this time! What their aim is with DT13 and so on.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Letter M on January 08, 2015, 12:49:47 PM
Fantastic news! I'm hoping for an October release, but if they get it out in September, I'll be even happier! Looking forward to this! Lots of great music coming out this year, and nearing the end of 2015 with DT13 will be amazing!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 08, 2015, 01:11:17 PM
Not really directly album-related, but I hope they do a bit more footage of the in-studio time. While I realize that that was always spearhead by MP, it really bridged over the time to the actual release.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 08, 2015, 01:23:51 PM
Yeah, the studio videos from DT12 were pretty generic and gave us really nothing, except a chocolate cake joke. And then there are bands like Periphery, who's studio updates are really hilarious and informative at the same time, with some teasers of new stuff. I hope they do something more in that vein.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jjrock88 on January 08, 2015, 02:24:59 PM
good news!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mikemangioy on January 08, 2015, 02:32:38 PM
Good god, it's that time again?? Where the fuck did time go?! Seems like yesterday we were speculating about DT12 and now.. wow. Sorry about that, things just hit me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on January 08, 2015, 03:32:00 PM
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.
I would like that.  I think it's time for this type of album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zyzzyva17 on January 08, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
Great news! What I'm hoping for most with the new album is more complex songwriting. DT12 felt a little stripped down, which is fine for one album, but I hope the next album is more complex.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on January 08, 2015, 03:34:39 PM
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.
I would like that.  I think it's time for this type of album.
As in DT12 wasn't heavy enough? We had so much heavy since Systematic Chaos, I'd much rather have a FII type of album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 08, 2015, 03:40:17 PM
Yeah. I also don't think James has the delivery of really heavy stuff.

Probably my biggest wish is a less brickwalled sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on January 08, 2015, 04:54:50 PM
Just please don't call it 13, XIII or some bullshit like that. :lol

Hey I think they could pull off a XIII at this point.  It's the number that transcends the Octavarium and could tie into a mini concept of sorts. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 08, 2015, 05:15:43 PM
Well, the album title template is

"A <conjunctive phrase> B" (I and W, F into I, AC of S, S from a M, T of T, SD of IT, BC and SL, ADT of E)

so that might be a likely indicator for the next album title.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on January 08, 2015, 05:24:36 PM
So I guess the real question; is it be gonna something and something. Something from something else, or something of this other something. Ya know, we haven't had something into something for a while.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Letter M on January 08, 2015, 05:30:52 PM
So I guess the real question; is it be gonna something and something. Something from something else, or something of this other something. Ya know, we haven't had something into something for a while.

I'd like to see a "_____ or _____" title. Maybe a concept album based on "You Or Me"? :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 08, 2015, 05:31:01 PM
What about "Something from Nothing"? You heard it here first.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 08, 2015, 05:39:55 PM
What about "Something from Nothing"? You heard it here first.

Then, people are going to think that it's something to do with Foo Fighters (I know it's not that fancy of a title, but people misinterpret stuff easily).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on January 08, 2015, 05:44:51 PM
Yeah. I also don't think James has the delivery of really heavy stuff.

But he can do Awake vocals again. So more of that Mirror/Lie/Scarred/CIAW sound again, please? ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 08, 2015, 05:47:23 PM
Illumination Theory is great and The Bigger Picture is quite frankly one of the best DT songs ever written.  Along for the Ride is beautiful.  But not much else really grabbed me. 

If they can come out with an album jam packed with amazing songs, I will be ecstatic. 

If they come out with another album with 3 amazing songs (that equal over 30 minutes total) I will be very happy.  Either way I am psyched for this album. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on January 08, 2015, 05:48:27 PM
I am kinda partial to th1rt3en myself.
Oh, the horror! In that case, I'll insist on calling it thonertthreeen...eh, like calling Scre4m, Scre-four-em.
What about "Something from Nothing"? You heard it here first.
Sounds like debate night on religion.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Ad134 on January 08, 2015, 06:04:06 PM
8 + 5 = 13... OC2VARIUM

/s



I just hope for a focus on strong melodies - it worked for them last time around! I don't care if it's a concept album or not, I just want some kickass prog and I know that if anyone's gonna deliver, it'll be DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: PetFish on January 08, 2015, 06:32:16 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: XB0BX on January 08, 2015, 06:36:37 PM
It literally seems like yesterday DT12 came out.

How many unique studio albums has Metallica put out in the past oh... 23 years, in comparison to Dream Theater?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shine on January 08, 2015, 06:44:46 PM
Yeah. I also don't think James has the delivery of really heavy stuff.

But he can do Awake vocals again. So more of that Mirror/Lie/Scarred/CIAW sound again, please? ;)

please please please please please
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2015, 06:47:49 PM
Yeah, the studio videos from DT12 were pretty generic and gave us really nothing, except a chocolate cake joke. And then there are bands like Periphery, who's studio updates are really hilarious and informative at the same time, with some teasers of new stuff. I hope they do something more in that vein.

I don't want anything leading up to the release bar a few pics. I want a 90 minute making of DVD *with* the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
And dear GOD - you have to nail the production this time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on January 08, 2015, 06:55:01 PM
How many unique studio albums has Metallica put out in the past oh... 23 years, in comparison to Dream Theater?

Lulu? :laugh: About as "unique" as it gets really.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 08, 2015, 06:57:31 PM
Yeah, the studio videos from DT12 were pretty generic and gave us really nothing, except a chocolate cake joke. And then there are bands like Periphery, who's studio updates are really hilarious and informative at the same time, with some teasers of new stuff. I hope they do something more in that vein.

I don't want anything leading up to the release bar a few pics. I want a 90 minute making of DVD *with* the album.

You could just not follow it, if you want to avoid it, and they can still do a doco with the album with all of the cool stuff they wouldn't/couldn't have shown before the album is released. I loved the SC documentary, so I'd love to see them do one of those again. That would be a big selling point for a SE for me!

I sorely miss having updates during the process. It makes the wait so much easier, and builds more excitement.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on January 08, 2015, 06:58:34 PM
Yayyyy!!!!!

I'd like to see an album similar to BCASL, but with one or two more songs. I really liked that album, and the fact that only two songs on it were shorter than ten minutes. But I'll be fine with whatever they come out with, as long as the guitar sounds better than I thought it did on DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2015, 07:02:11 PM
It literally seems like yesterday DT12 came out.

How many unique studio albums has Metallica put out in the past oh... 23 years, in comparison to Dream Theater?

Metallica - 1991
Load - 1995
Reload - 1996
St. Anger - 2003
Death Magnetic - 2008

Hasn't DT released like 11 albums in that time ? Probably 12 by the time 2015 is over.

And nobody can play the "Quality not quantity" card since St. Anger and Death Magnetic are hardly quality albums...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on January 08, 2015, 07:10:08 PM
Metallica - 1991
Load - 1995
Reload - 1996
St. Anger - 2003
Death Magnetic - 2008

They've almost come to stand still at this point.
- 4 albums in the 80s
- 3 albums in the 90s
- 2 albums in the 00s
- 1 album within the last 10 years
- 0 albums this decade and we're halfway through it.

DT:
- 1 album on the arse end the 80s
- 4 albums in the 90s
- 5 albums in the 00s
- 3 at least this decade. With the potential for 4 or 5 if they continue the way they are.

DT are consistent, you gotta give 'em that. Easy to take for granted.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on January 08, 2015, 07:28:37 PM
Well, yeah, but the good thing about Metallica's post-'90s output is...um...well, you see, it's...lemme get back to you.  :justjen
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheDisposableHero on January 08, 2015, 07:42:38 PM
This is all fine and dandy, but I want to know when the heck the second John Petrucci solo album is going to drop!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 08, 2015, 08:17:39 PM
I think MM's drums are WAY too low and did JMX even record bass? Who mixed this album anyway??.....a high school music student? James can't hit that E any longer  and The lyrics are..... Oh wait...


















 :loser:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 08, 2015, 10:32:19 PM
Well, yeah, but the good thing about Metallica's post-'90s output is...um...well, you see, it's...lemme get back to you.  :justjen

Death Magnetic kicks ass. I don't get why everyone hates it.

As for Dream Theater, I was kind of hoping they would do some more touring this year, but I'm always excited for new DT music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Letter M on January 08, 2015, 11:20:55 PM
8 + 5 = 13... OC2VARIUM

/s



I just hope for a focus on strong melodies - it worked for them last time around! I don't care if it's a concept album or not, I just want some kickass prog and I know that if anyone's gonna deliver, it'll be DT.

Actually...now that you mention it, their 5th album was a narrative concept album while their 8th was a musically-based thematic concept (octaves, roots, rising keys along the F-minor scale, using negative-tracked sound for the non-key notes, etc. etc.). So maybe....JUST MAYBE... their 13th album will be a sort of concept album?!? Hmmmm....

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 08, 2015, 11:25:51 PM
I'm really not sure why people always clamor for DT to make concept albums. They made one, and the concept was easily the weakest part of the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mosh on January 08, 2015, 11:32:23 PM
Well DT have always been good with recurring musical/lyrical themes in their music, whether a concept album or not. Metropolis was cool because there was a bit more of that and even if the lyrical concept wasn't that strong, the way it was supported by the music and how the songs all flowed together was very special. Seems to make sense that people would like it if DT tread those waters again.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on January 08, 2015, 11:34:54 PM
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.
I would like that.  I think it's time for this type of album.
As in DT12 wasn't heavy enough?

This. Please, can we have a mix that doesn't emphasize JP quite so much and doesn't make every song sound heavy?

That's why the number one item on my DT13 wish list is Jordan Rudess. I want to hear much more Jordan on this album, and not just backing choruses and playing keyboard solos. I want to hear his influence in creating atmosphere and character throughout the entire album. DT12 had Jordan's signature on Illumination Theory and Behind the Veil; I'd like to hear it on every song of DT13.

I would also love for them to go a little outside the box. Not too much, if they don't want to, but maybe as much as they did on Octavarium. I would be interested to hear them pursue the electronic angle they hinted at on ADTOE with BMUBMD and Outcry. Do I expect them to do these things? No, I expect to hear another fairly safe, DT-style prog metal album in the vein of ADTOE and DT12, because I think that's what they're pretty content to do. I'm sure if they do that it will be a good album, and I'll buy it regardless, but I would really like to hear something a little bit outside of the box they've been in on the past couple of albums.

Other wish list item: I want to be able to hear John sing backup on the album. That's a big thing I miss from the SFAM-BCSL albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fsh3702 on January 08, 2015, 11:40:41 PM
i wish the album this time can transform their old style a little bit, maybe some acoustic song, not too heavy.

The music has better to bear a concrete meaning, a significance, better to tell a story, not necessary to be a long concept album, but like metroplis part 1. the album needs to be refreshing to the listeners.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2015, 12:04:24 AM
I'm really not sure why people always clamor for DT to make concept albums. They made one, and the concept was easily the weakest part of the album.

I'm one of the last people who really wants another concept album (I'm not a prog fan, so it doesn't give me a prog-boner), and I agree that the lyrical concept was a weak point, but the musical ties on the album, and the variety given by the shorter songs making up part of a greater whole helped make that such a good album imo, and it's my #2 DT album.
So I'd say there's plenty of appeal to that approach, even if the lyrical concept is nothing special. Plus the change in approach may elevate the songwriting and give some better results.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on January 09, 2015, 02:36:02 AM
8 + 5 = 13... OC2VARIUM

/s



I just hope for a focus on strong melodies - it worked for them last time around! I don't care if it's a concept album or not, I just want some kickass prog and I know that if anyone's gonna deliver, it'll be DT.

Actually...now that you mention it, their 5th album was a narrative concept album while their 8th was a musically-based thematic concept (octaves, roots, rising keys along the F-minor scale, using negative-tracked sound for the non-key notes, etc. etc.). So maybe....JUST MAYBE... their 13th album will be a sort of concept album?!? Hmmmm....

-Marc.
While a concept album is of course possible, I can't imagine them doing something as intricate as Octavarium again without MP.

And dear GOD - you have to nail the production this time.
Fo shizzle. I'm always confident that the music will at least be solid, but the sound needs to be so much better.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on January 09, 2015, 04:35:57 AM
I'm in the production boat. IAW, Awake and FII are the only DT albums where the production matches the musicianship.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Moor on January 09, 2015, 06:37:32 AM
Great to hear that ! Let the DTF build up begin and hopefully one day a guy from RR will show up as a DTF member to calm us down  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: kevinpwrs on January 09, 2015, 06:59:02 AM
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.

This! Me too man. I never listen to ADTOE or DT12, so I really want something more on the heavy side. I wasn't interested at all in see the DT 12 tour, but a heavy new CD will chage that on the next tour.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 09, 2015, 07:10:53 AM
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.
I would like that.  I think it's time for this type of album.
I don't.  They have had plenty of heavy over the last several albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 09, 2015, 08:25:33 AM
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.
I would like that.  I think it's time for this type of album.
I don't.  They have had plenty of heavy over the last several albums.

I agree with Hef.

DT is at their best when mixing the heavy with the melodic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: drod1985 on January 09, 2015, 08:46:37 AM
I agree, Dream Theater thrives at the intersection of heavy and melodic. Since ADTOE they've been moving more towards that sweet spot.

I would however like to hear at least one song that’s a bit more dirty prog rock. Distorted organ from JR, and medium-gain riffage from JP. There’s some riff Jordan played in the Systematic Chaos documentary that gave me that vibe.

DT:
- 1 album on the arse end the 80s
- 4 albums in the 90s
- 5 albums in the 00s
- 3 at least this decade. With the potential for 4 or 5 if they continue the way they are.

DT are consistent, you gotta give 'em that. Easy to take for granted.

I'm a Van Halen fan, and they've put out 1 album in the last 16 years. Dream Theater makes me feel loved again.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: vtgrad on January 09, 2015, 10:36:20 AM
Wow... hard to believe time has passed this fast!

Put me on the cruise ship to better production; the musicianship is always incredible, no worries there.  You can also sell me a ticket for the "realizing how much they spoil us" flight; seriously, these guys are dynamos!  I'm so very happy that my favorite group of musicians is still making music... Spoiled We Are!  Quality and Quantity!

I'd like to hear some FII-style.  No matter how strong the new songs have been over the past 17-years, I always find myself drawn back to FII.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mladen on January 09, 2015, 10:43:41 AM
As far as production is concerned, I thought DT12 was pretty damn awesome.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on January 09, 2015, 11:01:48 AM
FII-style album could be great but maybe a little more metal and experimental style.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 09, 2015, 11:19:46 AM
I would like a more organic sound to the next album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zantera on January 09, 2015, 11:35:38 AM
ADTOE had me excited, but DT12 popped that bubble instantly. This will be one of those releases I'm not looking forward to, and won't pay any attention to (in terms of news or released songs), but I will probably give it a spin or two once it comes out. It's still DT, a band that released albums like Awake, Scenes and Six Degrees.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 09, 2015, 12:50:36 PM
That's kinda where I'm at. I will definitely give it a listen, but it's not "edge of the seat" material, like the new SW album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: vtgrad on January 09, 2015, 02:21:12 PM
As far as production is concerned, I thought DT12 was pretty damn awesome.  :metal

Don't get me wrong; I don't think DT12 was terrible production wise, I quite enjoy it.  But when compared to Awake or FII's production, it does fall somewhat short imo.

Personally, I'm always edge-of-my-seat for DT (as I am with Scale the Summit and AAL); if it excites the band, it excites me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on January 09, 2015, 02:27:25 PM
DT12 was middle of the pack for me, but I am still very excited for the new album, as always.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: adamack on January 09, 2015, 04:06:46 PM
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.

This! Me too man. I never listen to ADTOE or DT12, so I really want something more on the heavy side. I wasn't interested at all in see the DT 12 tour, but a heavy new CD will chage that on the next tour.

I will never understand why everyone thinks that ADToE wasn't heavy.

What about this? https://youtu.be/S1fNCc_whtU?t=4m45s

And this? https://youtu.be/oasnbzEMV08?t=1m55s

And this? https://youtu.be/22O-8TX015c?t=4m27s

And this? https://youtu.be/lH-I3x5GocU?t=1m59s

And this? https://youtu.be/-i1fNeDEnmU?t=1m48s

And to a lesser extent, even this? https://youtu.be/kFvwSiJ5t40?t=3m42s

Is it correct to assume that people don't think ADToE is as heavy because there are not really any heavy/harsh vocals (such as in Constant Motion, TDEN, The Test That Stumped Them All, etc.)?

Regardless, there are plenty of hard moments on ADToE in every song except for the ballads (BtS, TitL, FFH).

Anyway though, SO EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT DT13!!! BEST NEWS OF THE YEAR SO FAR!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 09, 2015, 06:28:12 PM
To me, there's one heck of a difference between 'hard' and 'heavy'. I feel that DT makes mostly 'hard' music, with real 'heaviness' being more rare.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: adamack on January 09, 2015, 06:51:28 PM
To me, there's one heck of a difference between 'hard' and 'heavy'. I feel that DT makes mostly 'hard' music, with real 'heaviness' being more rare.

Good point, I think I know just what you mean, and it's helping me to further understand what people mean when they say ADToE is not heavy.

The heavy stuff would be more like The Glass Prison and The Dark Eternal Night, whereas the hard stuff would be more like The Root Of All Evil or even Behind The Veil. Would you agree with that comparison? Just want to see if we are on the same page.

By those standards, I do agree that ADToE is less heavy than it is hard. I guess I just feel like a lot of people pass it off as being neither hard nor heavy, and just being mellow or soft. I really think the album fits into the "hard" category though, as there are a lot of hard moments, especially in the guitar riff sections.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mebert78 on January 09, 2015, 06:52:40 PM
This is exciting news. Let the ride officially begin! The years that DT release albums are so exciting. I love the days when album info is released -- song titles, artwork, song clips, interviews. I look forward to that stuff so much. And i love discussing it here and seeing everyone else' take. I also happened to love DT12 very much, so I'm extremely excited about what the next album could bring.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 09, 2015, 08:09:28 PM
The heavy stuff would be more like The Glass Prison and The Dark Eternal Night, whereas the hard stuff would be more like The Root Of All Evil or even Behind The Veil. Would you agree with that comparison? Just want to see if we are on the same page.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 09, 2015, 09:44:12 PM
A cool idea would be if they rummaged the cutting floor a bit, and maybe flesh out ideas that were canned during writing of other albums. That way they could have a cool mix of "modern DT takes on old, but unheard, DT material".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 09, 2015, 09:45:00 PM
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Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Flacracker on January 09, 2015, 09:46:48 PM
I need more prog.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Laughingplace56 on January 09, 2015, 10:25:43 PM
DT12 was the first album from DT i received on it's release date (I got really into the band just after ADToE was released) so naturally I was hyped all 2013 for it and loved it instantly. I still love every song besides AFtR, but it doesn't feel as unique to me as, say, the I&W-SDOIT era of albums did. It was completely different every time.I'm not saying their last 2 albums were bad because they've both got awesome tracks on them. And I even lean more towards the heavy side of progressive metal than the prog side so I've no problem with the heaviness. I'd love another album of the ADToE/DT12 format, but I'd love a fresher concept with new experimentation even more.

All that being said, I'm excited to be in a year where a new Dream Theater album is being released! That means another isn't too far away after that! Let the teasers begin!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: orphaeusest on January 09, 2015, 11:40:44 PM
This a great news, even if we had been waiting for it since the end the Along for the Ride world tour. What can I say? I don't how it will be. I only know that it will be different from all the other albums. Heavy like Train of Thought? Something "oldish" but also new like A Dramatic Turn of Events? Something more classic? I don't know. I only hope for emotions and feelings. That's all I wish!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: aprilethereal on January 10, 2015, 04:26:21 AM
I agree with those who say they hope for better production and more JR. DT12 was awesome, but JR is capable of much more than he showed on that album. But considering how high he was in the mix on BTFW and how great MM's drum sound on that release was, I am hopeful. :2metal:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on January 10, 2015, 09:22:52 AM
I would like a more organic sound to the next album.

This sums up my thoughts, as well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jonnybaxy on January 10, 2015, 09:32:00 AM
No more Hugh Syme please and also I don't want anymore over the top vocal effects like every song on DT12.

I'm not tooexcited as DT12 was a huge let down for me, hell I havent listened to the album for way over 9 months now
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 10, 2015, 09:34:03 AM
I would also like JLB to not force anymore of those high vocals. That stuff on DT12 all sounds so incredibly unnatural. I would be fine if he just kept to lower melodies for the most part.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 10, 2015, 09:36:15 AM
I would also like JLB to not force anymore of those high vocals. That stuff on DT12 all sounds so incredibly unnatural. I would be fine if he just kept to lower melodies for the most part.

Aside from the obvious section of Illumination Theory, I don't think he pushed the vocal range any higher than his usual comfortable range, unless there's a section I'm forgetting, so I'm ok with that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: AngelBack on January 10, 2015, 03:13:28 PM
Hope I can put this into the right words.  I am hoping for something more emotionally dark.  Lyrically, the last few albums have been about the answers to the problems in life.  I would appreciate a return to songs that lyrically (and musically) relay the pain of being IN the problem. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 10, 2015, 03:56:21 PM
Hope I can put this into the right words.  I am hoping for something more emotionally dark.  Lyrically, the last few albums have been about the answers to the problems in life.  I would appreciate a return to songs that lyrically (and musically) relay the pain of being IN the problem.

As long as it's not vampires and werewolves I'm down for that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Letter M on January 10, 2015, 04:30:25 PM
How about more medical madness lyrics from JP? Stuff like Voices, SDOIT, Panic Attack...things that affect real people and have real consequences, perhaps more psychological lyrics.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sourcegamer101 on January 10, 2015, 05:44:14 PM
I'm torn, I hope they go back to heavy roots with this one, I loved train of thought, but I also love the mellow stuff like vacant, far from heaven, this is the life, wait for sleep, etc
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: marlencrabapple on January 10, 2015, 05:56:19 PM
8 + 5 = 13... OC2VARIUM

/s



I just hope for a focus on strong melodies - it worked for them last time around! I don't care if it's a concept album or not, I just want some kickass prog and I know that if anyone's gonna deliver, it'll be DT.
Oc2varium Part 2: Scenes From A Memory
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Letter M on January 10, 2015, 05:57:37 PM
8 + 5 = 13... OC2VARIUM

/s



I just hope for a focus on strong melodies - it worked for them last time around! I don't care if it's a concept album or not, I just want some kickass prog and I know that if anyone's gonna deliver, it'll be DT.
Oc2varium Part 2: Scenes From A Memory

Holy crap, that has 13 syllables!!!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 10, 2015, 06:52:43 PM
8 + 5 = 13... OC2VARIUM

/s



I just hope for a focus on strong melodies - it worked for them last time around! I don't care if it's a concept album or not, I just want some kickass prog and I know that if anyone's gonna deliver, it'll be DT.
Oc2varium Part 2: Scenes From A Memory

Holy crap, that has 13 syllables!!!

-Marc.

The nuggetz never end.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mike099 on January 10, 2015, 07:49:54 PM
The first update we get will be the projected coffee budget 

I would love to see a double recording like SDOIT

I like DT12, but nothing special
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on January 10, 2015, 09:25:33 PM
I would like a more organic sound to the next album.

This, definitely. If they did this it would go a long way in helping me like it better, because that was a big part of what hurt DT12 for me.

I don't want anymore over the top vocal effects like every song on DT12.

I agree with this to an extent as well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dublagent66 on January 10, 2015, 09:49:51 PM
I'm looking forward to a redemption album.  No, not from the group Redemption.  A redemption album from DT12.  :p
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Nearmyth on January 10, 2015, 10:20:17 PM
I'm hoping for something more dark, than heavy. DT's done a lot of cheesy the past few albums... Something creative and dark more akin to the Awake or SDOIT atmosphere would be a cool way to go imo
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: puppyonacid on January 12, 2015, 06:54:31 AM
My wish list would be:

Better production. Bring in portnoy to mix the drums  ;D seriously though; I don't want the next album to sound so saturated. A little room to breathe - tune the drums back up.
More JR as in his writing influence. I'd love to hear a track with him and mangini let loose.
More moment from JLB like the "Mothers for the Children" section from Illumination Theory.
More cowbell.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: nikatapi on January 12, 2015, 07:13:25 AM
If only they got Kevin Shirley to mix the album...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 12, 2015, 08:57:21 AM
More moment from JLB like the "Mothers for the Children" section from Illumination Theory.

That section embodies everything I personally would like JLB to avoid on the next album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: puppyonacid on January 12, 2015, 09:53:16 AM
I am interested to know why you think this
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 12, 2015, 10:10:43 AM
I am interested to know why you think this
Me too. One of James LaBrie's signature assets is high singing, and although it's obviously not what it was in the 90s it still infuses with power certain songs, like Illumination Theory. Imagine that section an octave lower *shrugs*.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on January 12, 2015, 01:09:52 PM
I'd love a double album in the vein of Six Degrees meets Greatest Hit meets In Your Honor by Foo Fighters.

An experimental, heavy, progressive Disc One, chock full of long songs, metal songs, strange songs...

And a lighter Disc Two with songs like The Silent Man, Solitary Shell, Beneath the Surface, Far From Heaven, etc...

That would tickle so many fancies of mine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on January 12, 2015, 01:16:48 PM
I am interested to know why you think this
Me too. One of James LaBrie's signature assets is high singing, and although it's obviously not what it was in the 90s it still infuses with power certain songs, like Illumination Theory. Imagine that section an octave lower *shrugs*.
Definitely more of James's high voice.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 12, 2015, 02:43:07 PM
I am interested to know why you think this

I think that because his voice isn't as good as it used to be. Which is fine, as I have said before, as long as they don't force those high notes on him which I feel like they did on DT12 (specifically IT). In those cases I find a bit embarrasing to listen to him, since I don't think it's good.

Imagine that section an octave lower *shrugs*.

I agree, that part should be sung in that octave. But in my opinion it just wasn't handed well, and I would have preferred it if they instead went in another direction so that JLB didn't have to force himself that high.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on January 12, 2015, 02:57:20 PM
I am interested to know why you think this

I think that because his voice isn't as good as it used to be. Which is fine, as I have said before, as long as they don't force those high notes on him which I feel like they did on DT12 (specifically IT). In those cases I find a bit embarrasing to listen to him, since I don't think it's good.

I'm somewhat inclined to agree. Personally, I don't think that part in IT sounds any better than clean, natural singing does, and I think he sounds best when he just naturally sings melodies that are in his range. I never really got all the excitement about that part, really. It was somewhat impressive to hear him go that high after all these years, but I really don't need to hear anything like that again on the next album. I would rather hear something more like an ADTOE vocal performance where he never really goes for anything crazy (BMUBMD, but that's a backing part) but sounds consistently good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mike099 on January 12, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
If only they got Kevin Shirley to mix the album...

^  yes, this.  I did not realize until I looked him up that he produced the Counterparts album for Rush.  He was also on the  'behind the lighted stage documentary'.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mosh on January 12, 2015, 07:00:53 PM
I'd love a double album in the vein of Six Degrees meets Greatest Hit meets In Your Honor by Foo Fighters.

An experimental, heavy, progressive Disc One, chock full of long songs, metal songs, strange songs...

And a lighter Disc Two with songs like The Silent Man, Solitary Shell, Beneath the Surface, Far From Heaven, etc...

That would tickle so many fancies of mine.
This would be cool. Although I'd like more experimental/dynamic softer songs like Disappear and Surrounded. Or even The Bigger Picture. I don't like their straightforward ballads enough to be engaged for an entire disc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: puppyonacid on January 13, 2015, 02:11:37 AM
I am interested to know why you think this

I think that because his voice isn't as good as it used to be. Which is fine, as I have said before, as long as they don't force those high notes on him which I feel like they did on DT12 (specifically IT). In those cases I find a bit embarrasing to listen to him, since I don't think it's good.

I'm somewhat inclined to agree. Personally, I don't think that part in IT sounds any better than clean, natural singing does, and I think he sounds best when he just naturally sings melodies that are in his range. I never really got all the excitement about that part, really. It was somewhat impressive to hear him go that high after all these years, but I really don't need to hear anything like that again on the next album. I would rather hear something more like an ADTOE vocal performance where he never really goes for anything crazy (BMUBMD, but that's a backing part) but sounds consistently good.

That's fine. I for one got goosebumps listening to that bit (and that hasn't happened for a long time for me listening to DT) and I think it's the stand out moment on the album. I think that in itself is a huge compliment to huge credit to JLB considering that caliber of musician he's performing with. I was blown away when I first heard it and I thought "wow - I did not know he still had it in him."

Each to their own I spose.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Octavarious on January 13, 2015, 04:13:21 PM
A concept album in 3 CDs, about the tragedy of a man that loses his wallet in the NYC subway (in the overture song) and after 3 discs, at the last song, realises he won't find that bloody wallet anymore.
In the middle, lots of reflection in 7/8 on how could that happen to him, why, when and where exactly.
Title: 13 bucks gone forever. There is where the fatal number gets in...
Featuring an epic 22' instrumental called "maybe on the stairways?".
Wouldn't that be progressive and very experimental?
 :facepalm: :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 13, 2015, 05:53:30 PM
A concept album about this guy who invests his whole life into the thing he loves, and it completely consumes him. But, over the years he realizes that he had lost his soul on the way, that he had just been treading water. So, he seeks to find that love, that spark, again. Eventually he realizes that he can no longer get it back.
And then he wants a hiatus but gets kicked out of the band.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fischermasamune on January 13, 2015, 06:11:41 PM
Any of them [the previous two posts] would be awesome if the accompanying music was awesome (at the level of SFAM let's say).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on January 13, 2015, 06:32:09 PM
Wall of text, you've been warned..  :rollin
Just been reading through this thread and there were multiple messages I want to respond to.

More moment from JLB like the "Mothers for the Children" section from Illumination Theory.

That section embodies everything I personally would like JLB to avoid on the next album.

I think it's a highlight of the album. Besides, even if it's not your cup of tea, it's just one bit. Most of the his singing is in a fairly comfortable range, which I'm sure we can expect plenty of. But why put a limitation on what you'd expect from him? I'm happy for James to surprise us with stuff like IT even if it's just one little bit, and even if it's not something I'd personally expect from him (BMUBMD screams), it's still cool when they try something different.

FII-style album could be great but maybe a little more metal and experimental style.

Agreed, I think one thing that can be said about FII is that is stands the test of time. So another album in a similar regard, could end up being an outstanding classic in retrospect. Metal is fun, and I love me some chunky riffs, but it's more niche than Rock. I think in the long run, a wider range of people will appreciate the harder rocking side as opposed to the heavy metal side of the band. As for the progressive side, I like to think progressive/prog is becoming more accepted/appreciated these days and that people are getting bored with generic repetitive formulaic music. So DT will hopefully always be remembered for this side of them.

A cool idea would be if they rummaged the cutting floor a bit, and maybe flesh out ideas that were canned during writing of other albums. That way they could have a cool mix of "modern DT takes on old, but unheard, DT material".

YES! I bet there's heaps of stuff that got locked in the closet, that could have the potential of being an absolute gem. An infusion of earlier style DT with a modern interpretation. It's possible some recent stuff has actually derived from ideas that certain members have been sitting on for a while, but it's hard to know. It sounds like the band does keep archives of old and new material though so I like the sound of your idea.

I am hoping for something more emotionally dark.  Lyrically, the last few albums have been about the answers to the problems in life.  I would appreciate a return to songs that lyrically (and musically) relay the pain of being IN the problem.

I get what you're saying but it's important the the lyrics are honest. The recent stuff seems to be more about the solution to the problems of pain or resistance in life, which is where the writers are at personally, and that's just as sincere as songs written from a personal point of view of experiencing a particular problem. It's all a matter resonating with a type of expression, but I think you won't necessarily get the desired results by trying to put your IN the middle of an issue if you don't have personal views or attachments to it. You have to have an honest perspective or your message comes across as contrived.

I'm torn, I hope they go back to heavy roots with this one, I loved train of thought, but I also love the mellow stuff like vacant, far from heaven, this is the life, wait for sleep, etc

Haha me too. I'm torn, I love the heavy stuff. But I think the band thrives when they find that point between heavy/technical and soft/melodic. But I can't complain, they normally do at least one or two heavier songs which'll keep me happy, and the rest will probably grow on me like it did with DT12.

I'd love a double album in the vein of Six Degrees meets Greatest Hit meets In Your Honor by Foo Fighters.

An experimental, heavy, progressive Disc One, chock full of long songs, metal songs, strange songs...

And a lighter Disc Two with songs like The Silent Man, Solitary Shell, Beneath the Surface, Far From Heaven, etc...

Absolutely agree with this! Seems like the ultimate solution to the bands never ending issue of being confined to the parameters of the release medium. Who cares about time, just write whatever and as much as they want, and if it's over 80 minutes, well chuck it on a second disk. I also like the the idea of the "dark and lighter" side as portrayed on the greatest hit album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 13, 2015, 06:33:41 PM
A concept album about this guy who invests his whole life into the thing he loves, and it completely consumes him. But, over the years he realizes that he had lost his soul on the way, that he had just been treading water. So, he seeks to find that love, that spark, again. Eventually he realizes that he can no longer get it back.
And then he wants a hiatus but gets kicked out of the band.

You mean leaves the band.

Not the first time you've made that mistake, from what I recall.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 13, 2015, 07:17:56 PM
Who cares. It was a joke post, obviously.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: npiazza91 on January 13, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
For the next album, I would like Six Degrees sounding combined with more songs, some short, some long.  I think the length of tracks on ADTOE was perfect.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 1neeto on January 13, 2015, 09:17:40 PM
i would welcome a balls to the wall metal album like TOT, but they tried that already with SC, and it came out a bit disjointed. I do like a few songs from that album though, TDEN and ITPOE still gets a few listen every now and then.

So a heavy album that concentrates on what made TOT so great and weed out the things that went bad with SC.

As for JLB's singing, I think he's on a second wind. He knows where and how far to push it without sounding flat like he used to. He's without a doubt an acquired taste for those who are not used to that 80's style of singing.  I welcome an IT moment again as long as it fits the song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Knguro on January 14, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
Sweet. I hope this one is super heavy. I'm still waiting for Train of Thought pt. 2.
I would like that.  I think it's time for this type of album.

As much as I would love that, I dont see that happening anymore, that was more an MP kind of thing.

Still cant wait! I bet it might a concept album this time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Knguro on January 14, 2015, 09:08:49 AM
A concept album about Jesus....  :angel:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Art on January 14, 2015, 09:16:25 AM
A Creed cover released as a bonus.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Knguro on January 14, 2015, 09:36:11 AM
A Creed cover released as a bonus.

... Can you take me higher? To the place where blind men see...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: AngelBack on January 14, 2015, 09:51:04 AM
I predict:

A song about how the media uses all the tragedies and bat shit craziness around the world to keep us all on edge and drive up TV ratings.

A song about kids getting older/parenthood.

A song about dreams not realized.

An instrumental that has a section that is more in line with the "Easter Egg"

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 14, 2015, 11:56:18 AM
I predict:

A song about how the media uses all the tragedies and bat shit craziness around the world to keep us all on edge and drive up TV ratings.

A song about kids getting older/parenthood.

A song about dreams not realized.

An instrumental that has a section that is more in line with the "Easter Egg"

You know something?  I would like a song about that.  Pretty thought-provoking and something relevant to everyday life that is a serious matter that needs to be talked about in some form of communication.  Also, this topic is a reason why I stopped watching TV, regularly, and reading news articles from Yahoo, etc. because it's just so depressing to read and those that post it, announce it on news, etc. knows that they are getting hits and stuff.  A DT song about it could be very intriguing.

As for a song about getting older/parenthood, wouldn't that be something that would be more in the ballpark of Green Day?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 14, 2015, 12:30:15 PM
Why Green Day and not DT? :lol

They do have children growing up?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 14, 2015, 02:46:46 PM
I'd like to see an album that is more like Derek Sherinian's  latest works with some guest musicians like Al Di Meola. Also, I want an album with ZERO ballads. I'd like to see an album that is all jazz fusion acid rock marijuana tinged Crimson-type prog with less singing and more instrumentals.  Perhaps the album could start off with a huge bong hit leading into a melt your face jam. Enough with the schmaltzy ballads and definitely no songs about their families or kids. As far as the mixing of the album, I'd like to hear a less compressed album with more headroom. I simply don't understand the sound engineer's desire to max out the sound to the point of oversaturation and clipping. Let's hear something a bit more organic for a change.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 14, 2015, 07:34:34 PM
Why Green Day and not DT? :lol

They do have children growing up?

I was probably thinking at a different angle, and plus I was too hungry to think properly, at the time.  Uhhh, hmm, a song about them discussing parenthood?  It would probably be more ballady rather than high-energy, but if done properly, it can possibly work without it being too chessy.

Edit: I just read the post above me, yeah, bluehaze, this kind of idea would not be for you.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on January 14, 2015, 08:05:06 PM
I vote for AVOIDING a darker, more metal album, simply for fear of a diminished production value in trying to compete with other contemporary metal bands.   I don't the next DT album to considered "The Great Compression," no matter how loud it may sound.  Keep it dynamic and allow some breathing room.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: puppyonacid on January 15, 2015, 02:32:46 AM
Less chunk n balls; more groove n melody
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 15, 2015, 02:51:55 AM
A concept album about this guy who invests his whole life into the thing he loves, and it completely consumes him. But, over the years he realizes that he had lost his soul on the way, that he had just been treading water. So, he seeks to find that love, that spark, again. Eventually he realizes that he can no longer get it back.
And then he wants a hiatus but gets kicked out of the band.

I lol'd.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: LightCurves on January 15, 2015, 04:16:56 AM
I hope for an album without the obligatory 'humoristic' JR-circus-music-solo.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 15, 2015, 04:27:33 AM
I hope for an album without the obligatory 'humoristic' JR-circus-music-solo.

Which he actually hardly does.

They sorely need the JR factor back. He's taken a backseat for far too long.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: AngelBack on January 15, 2015, 05:03:04 AM
I hope for an album without the obligatory 'humoristic' JR-circus-music-solo.

Which he actually hardly does.

They sorely need the JR factor back. He's taken a backseat for far too long.


Agreed, think SFAM, SDOIT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on January 15, 2015, 06:04:08 AM
I hope for an album without the obligatory 'humoristic' JR-circus-music-solo.

Which he actually hardly does.

They sorely need the JR factor back. He's taken a backseat for far too long.
I agree that we need more JR, but I think he had a much more prominent role on ADToE than usual. I was hoping that it would show an increasing tendency on DT12, now I hope that'll happen on DT13.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2015, 07:22:10 AM
I'd like to see an album that is more like Derek Sherinian's  latest works with some guest musicians like Al Di Meola. Also, I want an album with ZERO ballads. I'd like to see an album that is all jazz fusion acid rock marijuana tinged Crimson-type prog with less singing and more instrumentals.  Perhaps the album could start off with a huge bong hit leading into a melt your face jam. Enough with the schmaltzy ballads and definitely no songs about their families or kids. As far as the mixing of the album, I'd like to hear a less compressed album with more headroom. I simply don't understand the sound engineer's desire to max out the sound to the point of oversaturation and clipping. Let's hear something a bit more organic for a change.
I don't think DT is the band for you.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on January 15, 2015, 07:44:48 AM
I'd like to see an album that is more like Derek Sherinian's  latest works with some guest musicians like Al Di Meola. Also, I want an album with ZERO ballads. I'd like to see an album that is all jazz fusion acid rock marijuana tinged Crimson-type prog with less singing and more instrumentals.  Perhaps the album could start off with a huge bong hit leading into a melt your face jam. Enough with the schmaltzy ballads and definitely no songs about their families or kids. As far as the mixing of the album, I'd like to hear a less compressed album with more headroom. I simply don't understand the sound engineer's desire to max out the sound to the point of oversaturation and clipping. Let's hear something a bit more organic for a change.

The last three sentences I very much agree with. The rest just simply won't happen.

The thought of jazz fusion DT is... an interesting one  :biggrin: They'll probably never do it, but it would be cool.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 11:01:39 AM
I'd like to see an album that is more like Derek Sherinian's  latest works with some guest musicians like Al Di Meola. Also, I want an album with ZERO ballads. I'd like to see an album that is all jazz fusion acid rock marijuana tinged Crimson-type prog with less singing and more instrumentals.  Perhaps the album could start off with a huge bong hit leading into a melt your face jam. Enough with the schmaltzy ballads and definitely no songs about their families or kids. As far as the mixing of the album, I'd like to hear a less compressed album with more headroom. I simply don't understand the sound engineer's desire to max out the sound to the point of oversaturation and clipping. Let's hear something a bit more organic for a change.
I don't think DT is the band for you.
Why is that??? Think Liquid Tension. Perhaps the word jazz is off putting for you, but it shouldn't be. I'm not talking about Glenn Miller for god sake. I guess you've never heard Al Di Meola's Dinner Music for the Gods. Check it out on Youtube. This is the stuff that has made John Petrucci who he is.  I guess you forgot that they DID tour with Steve Morse back in 1999/2000 and Yes and the Crimson Project. Can't we get a true musician's prog album for a change instead of trying to be all things to all people. They certainly have the musical ability to expand their horizons quite a bit. They don't need to do the ballad metal thing on every album and they did dabble with a bit of Crimson on 6DOIT. As far as I'm concerned Derek's albums have been a lot more interesting than the last five DT albums. I listen to all forms of music and I'm sure they do too. Al Di Meola and Mahavishnu is not that far of a departure from what they do. I'd like to hear a bit more of that influence and a bit more maturity musically-wise in the songs they do. Their songs have become too formulaic. I know exactly where they are going before they ever get there.. Dream Theater shouldn't be following the AC/DC format of not straying from their box. They have more talent than that and they don't need to imitate Symphony X or try to attract 16 year old boys.  Let's hear an album that caters to the musicians out there for a change. That is the reason why I came to them in the first place. I'll say it again NO BALLADS.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 15, 2015, 11:28:20 AM
I'd like to see an album that is more like Derek Sherinian's  latest works with some guest musicians like Al Di Meola. Also, I want an album with ZERO ballads. I'd like to see an album that is all jazz fusion acid rock marijuana tinged Crimson-type prog with less singing and more instrumentals.  Perhaps the album could start off with a huge bong hit leading into a melt your face jam. Enough with the schmaltzy ballads and definitely no songs about their families or kids. As far as the mixing of the album, I'd like to hear a less compressed album with more headroom. I simply don't understand the sound engineer's desire to max out the sound to the point of oversaturation and clipping. Let's hear something a bit more organic for a change.
I don't think DT is the band for you.
Why is that??? Think Liquid Tension. I guess you've never heard Al Di Meola's Dinner Music for the Gods. Check it out on Youtube. This is the stuff that has made John Petrucci who he is.  I guess you forgot that they DID tour with Steve Morse back in 1999/2000 and Yes and the Crimson Project. Can't we get a true musician's prog album for a change instead of trying to be all things to all people. They certainly have the musical ability to expand their horizons quite a bit. They don't need to do the ballad metal thing on every album and they did dabble with a bit of Crimson on 6DOIT. As far as I'm concerned Derek's albums have been a lot more interesting than the last five DT albums. I listen to all forms of music and I'm sure they do too. Al Di Meola and Mahavishnu is not that far of a departure from what they do. I'd like to hear a bit more of that influence and a bit more maturity musically-wise in the songs they do. Their songs have become too formulaic. I know exactly where they are going before they ever get there.. Dream Theater shouldn't be following the AC/DC format of not straying from their box. They have more talent than that and they don't need to imitate Symphony X or try to attract 16 year old boys. Frankly, my idea is a hell of a lot more interesting than many on this board. Why the hell would anybody want to hear about their family and their problems? I have enough of my own. Let's hear an album that caters to the musicians out there for a change. That is the reason why I came to them in the first place. I'll say it again NO BALLADS.

Wow, self-absorbed much? Your entire post comes across as "Who cares what DT want to do, they should make music how I want them to", which, frankly, seems ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 11:32:01 AM
I'd like to see an album that is more like Derek Sherinian's  latest works with some guest musicians like Al Di Meola. Also, I want an album with ZERO ballads. I'd like to see an album that is all jazz fusion acid rock marijuana tinged Crimson-type prog with less singing and more instrumentals.  Perhaps the album could start off with a huge bong hit leading into a melt your face jam. Enough with the schmaltzy ballads and definitely no songs about their families or kids. As far as the mixing of the album, I'd like to hear a less compressed album with more headroom. I simply don't understand the sound engineer's desire to max out the sound to the point of oversaturation and clipping. Let's hear something a bit more organic for a change.
I don't think DT is the band for you.
Why is that??? Think Liquid Tension. I guess you've never heard Al Di Meola's Dinner Music for the Gods. Check it out on Youtube. This is the stuff that has made John Petrucci who he is.  I guess you forgot that they DID tour with Steve Morse back in 1999/2000 and Yes and the Crimson Project. Can't we get a true musician's prog album for a change instead of trying to be all things to all people. They certainly have the musical ability to expand their horizons quite a bit. They don't need to do the ballad metal thing on every album and they did dabble with a bit of Crimson on 6DOIT. As far as I'm concerned Derek's albums have been a lot more interesting than the last five DT albums. I listen to all forms of music and I'm sure they do too. Al Di Meola and Mahavishnu is not that far of a departure from what they do. I'd like to hear a bit more of that influence and a bit more maturity musically-wise in the songs they do. Their songs have become too formulaic. I know exactly where they are going before they ever get there.. Dream Theater shouldn't be following the AC/DC format of not straying from their box. They have more talent than that and they don't need to imitate Symphony X or try to attract 16 year old boys. Frankly, my idea is a hell of a lot more interesting than many on this board. Why the hell would anybody want to hear about their family and their problems? I have enough of my own. Let's hear an album that caters to the musicians out there for a change. That is the reason why I came to them in the first place. I'll say it again NO BALLADS.

Wow, self-absorbed much? Your entire post comes across as "Who cares what DT want to do, they should make music how I want them to", which, frankly, seems ridiculous.
Self-absorbed? This is just what I'd like to hear just as all of the other posts on here.  They could do whatever the fuck they want. It is THEIR career not mine. This is just what I'd like to hear from them, not my demand. It's my wish list. I'd think they have more potential than you give them credit for. This only my opinion. If you don't like it, that's fine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 11:40:50 AM
Deleted my comment....was reposted by accident.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2015, 11:44:19 AM
I think your off based bluehaze1933.  I say this because most bands so stray from they certain style they have.  I'd love for them to infuse some of what you said but for the most part, they won't stray that far.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 11:47:35 AM
I think your off based bluehaze1933.  I say this because most bands so stray from they certain style they have.  I'd love for them to infuse some of what you said but for the most part, they won't stray that far.
I do understand what you are saying and they most likely won't, but I really don't understand why they can't. They don't rely on the commercial market for their success. They have the musicianship. They have the influences. They have the space to do it. Why can't they infuse a bit more of those influences into their music? If the Beatles could change from bubble gum pop to a more mature semi prog band, why can't Dream Theater get away from the ballad metal theme for an album or two? I think their fans would be accepting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2015, 11:53:26 AM
It's what they like to be honest. Most don't stray from the comfortable.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 11:55:48 AM
It's what they like to be honest. Most don't stray from the comfortable. Rudess/ Morgensteen; Rudess/Petrucci/Liquid Tension/ doing cover of favorite albums/ there is precedent for doing something else
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 11:57:17 AM
Sorry kings...I sort of morphed our comments by accident. For those reading...his comment ended with the word comfortable...I have all thumbs for fingers apparently.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2015, 12:39:04 PM
 :lol

No problem man!  That's why they do outside projects, to scratch those itches. DT has a brand that they will stick to.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2015, 02:36:18 PM
Why is that??? Think Liquid Tension.
I love LTE, but it is (and should be) different than DT, although that experience definitely would be influential in the way that DT wrote and recorded their music.  Although it didn't really change the actual music that they wrote, which is a key here.

Perhaps the word jazz is off putting for you, but it shouldn't be.
Nope, I like jazz.

I'm not talking about Glenn Miller for god sake.
I like Glenn Miller.

I guess you've never heard Al Di Meola's Dinner Music for the Gods. Check it out on Youtube.
Condescend much?  I love Di Meola.

This is the stuff that has made John Petrucci who he is.
Well, that is PART of what made him who he is.

I guess you forgot that they DID tour with Steve Morse back in 1999/2000 and Yes and the Crimson Project.
I guess you do condescend much.  I remember all of that, thanks.  But all of those bands do different music than DT does.

Can't we get a true musician's prog album for a change instead of trying to be all things to all people. They certainly have the musical ability to expand their horizons quite a bit. They don't need to do the ballad metal thing on every album and they did dabble with a bit of Crimson on 6DOIT.
What we get on every album is the album they wanted to make. 

As far as I'm concerned Derek's albums have been a lot more interesting than the last five DT albums.
OK.  Nothing wrong with that opinion.

I listen to all forms of music and I'm sure they do too. Al Di Meola and Mahavishnu is not that far of a departure from what they do.
I don't know.  I think that especially compositionally, it's quite a bit different.

I'd like to hear a bit more of that influence and a bit more maturity musically-wise in the songs they do. Their songs have become too formulaic. I know exactly where they are going before they ever get there.. Dream Theater shouldn't be following the AC/DC format of not straying from their box.
It's obvious that you don't care for the direction they have gone in.  That is why I suggested that perhaps this isn't the band for you, given what you would like them to do (which they won't do).

They have more talent than that and they don't need to imitate Symphony X or try to attract 16 year old boys.
I don't think they are doing either of those things.

Let's hear an album that caters to the musicians out there for a change. That is the reason why I came to them in the first place.
Not catering to YOUR particular musical tastes doesn't mean they don't cater to musicians.

I'll say it again NO BALLADS.
Good luck with that.  They obviously like writing ballads.  They even included a ballad on their straight-up metal album (IMO, it was the best song on the album).

Hey, I like all the music you mentioned.  But I don't want DT to sound like all the other bands I like, and I don't want all the other bands I like to start sounding like DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2015, 02:44:47 PM
Hef, I don't have you patience to quote that many and respond to every one. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 02:53:38 PM
Why is that??? Think Liquid Tension.
I love LTE, but it is (and should be) different than DT, although that experience definitely would be influential in the way that DT wrote and recorded their music.  Although it didn't really change the actual music that they wrote, which is a key here.

Perhaps the word jazz is off putting for you, but it shouldn't be.
Nope, I like jazz.

I'm not talking about Glenn Miller for god sake.
I like Glenn Miller.

I guess you've never heard Al Di Meola's Dinner Music for the Gods. Check it out on Youtube.
Condescend much?  I love Di Meola.

This is the stuff that has made John Petrucci who he is.
Well, that is PART of what made him who he is.

I guess you forgot that they DID tour with Steve Morse back in 1999/2000 and Yes and the Crimson Project.
I guess you do condescend much.  I remember all of that, thanks.  But all of those bands do different music than DT does.

Can't we get a true musician's prog album for a change instead of trying to be all things to all people. They certainly have the musical ability to expand their horizons quite a bit. They don't need to do the ballad metal thing on every album and they did dabble with a bit of Crimson on 6DOIT.
What we get on every album is the album they wanted to make. 

As far as I'm concerned Derek's albums have been a lot more interesting than the last five DT albums.
OK.  Nothing wrong with that opinion.

I listen to all forms of music and I'm sure they do too. Al Di Meola and Mahavishnu is not that far of a departure from what they do.
I don't know.  I think that especially compositionally, it's quite a bit different.

I'd like to hear a bit more of that influence and a bit more maturity musically-wise in the songs they do. Their songs have become too formulaic. I know exactly where they are going before they ever get there.. Dream Theater shouldn't be following the AC/DC format of not straying from their box.
It's obvious that you don't care for the direction they have gone in.  That is why I suggested that perhaps this isn't the band for you, given what you would like them to do (which they won't do).

They have more talent than that and they don't need to imitate Symphony X or try to attract 16 year old boys.
I don't think they are doing either of those things.

Let's hear an album that caters to the musicians out there for a change. That is the reason why I came to them in the first place.
Not catering to YOUR particular musical tastes doesn't mean they don't cater to musicians.

I'll say it again NO BALLADS.
Good luck with that.  They obviously like writing ballads.  They even included a ballad on their straight-up metal album (IMO, it was the best song on the album).

Hey, I like all the music you mentioned.  But I don't want DT to sound like all the other bands I like, and I don't want all the other bands I like to start sounding like DT.
Fair comments...sorry if I sounded condescending on a couple of comments, but they were meant to show that they could be a bit more varied in their sound then they currently are given the variety of bands they've toured with. I know they have a "sound' all their own but does one really want a Dream Theater album to be just iterations of all of their last albums? To me, that is a formula for getting stale not in progressing. As far as sounding like other bands, you have to admit they definitely went for a semi-Rush sound on the last album and False Awakening was definitely a nod to Symphony X. I guess I just expect a bit more than what I've heard recently given their immense talent. It's not a slam on the band to want their talent to stand out more. It's actually a compliment to their abilities. By the way, I like Glenn Miller too.  :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2015, 02:54:52 PM
*shrugs*

This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do.  Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 03:17:33 PM
:lol

No problem man!  That's why they do outside projects, to scratch those itches. DT has a brand that they will stick to.
  I think you just hit the nail on the head as to why Mike Portnoy left the band. He definitely had a point that I think Dream Theater should have given more thought to. It should have been done more gracefully, but he had a point. It reminds me of the Roger Waters/Pink Floyd spat. As much as I don't care for Water's solo albums (Amused to Death is Terminal), Pink Floyd got bloated and stale and their last two/three albums lack the edge he brought just as I think there is a serious hole in the middle of DT on stage. Mike Mangini is fantastic but Mike Portnoy was the soul of the band and had the stage presence Mangini doesn't have. I know some might disagree with that assessment, but that's the feeling I got from their Dramatic Turn of Events show In Pompano, Fl. in 2011. It is what it is, though, and DT have moved on. My opinion is Mike Portnoy will be back in a few years. That all being said, it would be nice to see more side projects from the band, especially from Petrucci. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2015, 03:22:16 PM
But Mike always had that ability to go scratch that itch in side projects.  He burnt himself out and pointed his blame at DT.  Mike did it to himself.  I still love the guy and follow most of the bands he plays in but he did do it to himself.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 03:27:12 PM
He did. Unfortunately, that's what happens with work-aholics. I don't think it was the side projects, but rather the fact that he took everything related to DT upon himself. The other members let him and didn't step up to take some of the work load.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 15, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
If there's one thing I really want DT to stay away from, it's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R2aW03pwL0#t=52
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 03:38:08 PM
If there's one thing I really want DT to stay away from, it's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R2aW03pwL0#t=52
Funny...the tassels on JP's pants in 2005 were pretty close...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheGreatPretender on January 15, 2015, 03:40:03 PM
He did. Unfortunately, that's what happens with work-aholics. I don't think it was the side projects, but rather the fact that he took everything related to DT upon himself. The other members let him and didn't step up to take some of the work load.

There's nothing to indicate that they hadn't offered. MP is a self-proclaimed control freak. He probably would've refused the help.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 03:47:06 PM
He did. Unfortunately, that's what happens with work-aholics. I don't think it was the side projects, but rather the fact that he took everything related to DT upon himself. The other members let him and didn't step up to take some of the work load.

There's nothing to indicate that they hadn't offered. MP is a self-proclaimed control freak. He probably would've refused the help.
He is a control freak. No doubt about that, but shit you watch the video of James Labrie playing basketball while everybody else is doing the writing speaks for itself. I know he says the band (Jp, JM, MP) wanted it that way, but it is still a bit disconnected. Couple that with Mike's comments about the after tour dinner where someone (I am assuming it was James he was talking about...correct me if I'm wrong) had his ear phones on during the whole dinner and I think it is safe to say the level of caring in the band had diminished in Mikes eyes to the point of just riding the ship and their laurels.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 15, 2015, 04:28:40 PM
But there my be a reason that James did not write lyrics early on.  John and Mike wanted to do it.

Remember when Mike was riding James on the vocals on the TOT doc?  Control baby!  He burnt himself out.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 15, 2015, 04:48:15 PM
Having had enough first-hand experience with control freak at my workplace, I can definitely see the classic vicious cycle going on with MP back in the day. It all starts out with MP seeing something he doesn't feel is up to snuff. So he does it himself. With better results (or at least, to his better liking).
Problem is, from that moment on, that thing has become "his turf", and nobody wants to touch it anymore, since it will likely result in massive meddling from his side.
And so, the control freak slowly amasses parts of his work under him, and quickly he considers the whole thing his turf. And the others check out mentally more and more, since any involvement would essentially involve " subjugating" yourself under the guy who, in reality, is really just a peer.
The Control Freak only sees the mental check out, and he gets increasingly frustrated, amassing more and more aspects. It's a vicious cycle, and many a micromanager has fallen prey to it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 15, 2015, 04:53:22 PM
Very true.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on January 16, 2015, 05:32:03 PM
Couple that with Mike's comments about the after tour dinner where someone (I am assuming it was James he was talking about...correct me if I'm wrong) had his ear phones on during the whole dinner and I think it is safe to say the level of caring in the band had diminished in Mikes eyes to the point of just riding the ship and their laurels.

I thought that was unconfirmed but speculated to be John Myung? Don't know though. Honestly, I see where you're coming from, but I really don't think you should expect Dream Theater as they are right now to move outside of their box. I think Jordan is the most experimental musician in the band, and he seems to prefer to do much of his experimentation on solo/side projects. I think you ought to take Hef's advice when he says that this may not be the band for you anymore. Doesn't mean you still can't be a fan of the older material, but I think given your expectations it may not be a good idea for you to eagerly await each new album.

On another note, I agree with you to a significant degree about MP, though I very much doubt we'll see him back. However, I don't think we should expect or try to push the current DT lineup to be more experimental, because they don't seem to want to and it's therefore unlikely to happen. They're still putting out good music, in my opinion, even if they have mostly stopped evolving stylistically.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on January 17, 2015, 01:17:48 AM
For my part, I would like a song a la Space Dye Vestwith no solo whatsoever.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on January 17, 2015, 05:21:22 AM
This thread is 5 pages already, and we're still two weeks away from the start of February. For all we know, they might not even go in until the middle or the end of the month.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 17, 2015, 10:37:09 AM
As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on January 17, 2015, 10:42:40 AM
As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.

I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 17, 2015, 11:17:17 AM
As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.

I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.
I agree with drake about the ballads on the last two albums. That being said, It wouldn't tire my ears one bit. An album doesn't need ballads to have contrast. Good song writing is good song writing regardless of whether or not ballads are on an album. For me (just my opinion) ballads on DT albums have always came off as fillers.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 17, 2015, 11:53:38 AM
As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.

I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.
I agree with drake about the ballads on the last two albums. That being said, It wouldn't tire my ears one bit. An album doesn't need ballads to have contrast. Good song writing is good song writing regardless of whether or not ballads are on an album. For me (just my opinion) ballads on DT albums have always came off as fillers.

Depends on what you put in the 'ballad' category. A lot of the shorter ones (AFTR, BTS, FFH, TALW), I'd agree don't come off as particularly strong material (by DT standards), and I'd be surprised if any of the members said that they were most proud of those tracks on their given albums. But some of the longer pieces (anything from TSCO, TBP, and TITL to expansive pieces like TBOT and TMOLS), I think you'd be hard-pressed to call 'filler.' I know those songs aren't loved by all, but 'tossed-off' is not an appropriate adjective for any of them.

I'd be perfectly happy with the exclusion of the 'token ballad' like AFTR; I agree that it doesn't seem to work well (only examples I can think of that I like are Wither, Anna Lee, and Another Day). But I do think that in a few spots on the album, there do need to be more balladic textures. Like with TMOLS, they need not take up the entirety of a song, but contrast is needed somewhere. I'm a huge metal guy, but ToT is just too much in one go--it's the same principle.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 17, 2015, 01:39:45 PM
I agree texture is important, but I think that texture could be had with say a flamenco-esque/Parisian piano dual between JP and JR without fundamentally changing the sound of the band...I don't outright hate ballads per say, but I just don't really think they are necessary for the sake of contrast or to just have one on every album. Also, it would be nice to hear some percussive African/latin-metal style jams that again could be used as a change of texture without compromising their overall sound. I think the idea of progressive should be to actually progress (regression as a story line a la SFAM notwithstanding  ;) ). Notice how the orchestral movements have become very important in DT since the arrival of Jordan. It didn't change the band's overall sound but it added texture. It added to it and complimented it. Same too with the Arabic modalities they've added over time. That is really what I am talking about in terms of contrast.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on January 17, 2015, 02:42:06 PM
Considering Wither and This is the Life are two of my favourite recent DT songs,  I don't think they should be avoiding ballads. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 17, 2015, 02:46:14 PM
Considering Wither and This is the Life are two of my favourite recent DT songs,  I don't think they should be avoiding ballads. :lol
Here ya go...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbTyFzqZu0
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on January 17, 2015, 03:03:20 PM
Considering Wither and This is the Life are two of my favourite recent DT songs,  I don't think they should be avoiding ballads. :lol
Here ya go...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbTyFzqZu0
What the..? :lol

Why does that work so well?!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 17, 2015, 03:05:57 PM
Considering Wither and This is the Life are two of my favourite recent DT songs,  I don't think they should be avoiding ballads. :lol
Here ya go...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbTyFzqZu0
What the..? :lol

Why does that work so well?!
:lol You will never hear that song in the same way again.  :angel:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 17, 2015, 03:12:02 PM
Speaking of videos and being In the studio, these kids rock Dream Theater's Pull me Under . I love it that kids are playing such amazing music. It bodes well for the future of Prog Rock...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h2h4zIhwuM
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Nearmyth on January 17, 2015, 09:21:34 PM
Contrast doesn't mean ballads, an album can have contrast without ballads. I think DT should still put in softer stuff, but avoid the really cheesy/uplifting/life lessony ones like AFTR, TITL, BTS... They're good, but they get tiring after a while
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on January 18, 2015, 03:38:49 AM
As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.
I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.
This. The biggest problem of DT12 is the lack of variety and dynamics.
This thread is 5 pages already, and we're still two weeks away from the start of February. For all we know, they might not even go in until the middle or the end of the month.
The earliest announced tour date is July 11, so I'd be shocked if they didn't enter the studio at the beginning of the month. Speaking of that, I hope they don't rush the album because they only have 5 months...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 18, 2015, 03:53:49 AM
As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.
I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.
This. The biggest problem of DT12 is the lack of variety and dynamics.
This thread is 5 pages already, and we're still two weeks away from the start of February. For all we know, they might not even go in until the middle or the end of the month.
The earliest announced tour date is July 11, so I'd be shocked if they didn't enter the studio at the beginning of the month. Speaking of that, I hope they don't rush the album because they only have 5 months...

Wonder if this preconceived notion of the album will allow them to work faster than usual. Is it easier to write when you know exactly what you want, or with a completely blank slate? Or is it negligible?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on January 18, 2015, 05:42:29 AM
Considering Wither and This is the Life are two of my favourite recent DT songs,  I don't think they should be avoiding ballads. :lol
Here ya go...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbTyFzqZu0

What can I say? BRILLIANT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on January 18, 2015, 06:52:18 AM
While I get why they have to do it from a business standpoint, the fact that they are already announcing tour dates for this summer, without having any of the new album written yet, is not something I am a fan of.  What if they get in the studio and struggle to find their way?  Will they feel rushed to release whatever they come up with, because they know they have to have to finished by [insert date]? You can't exactly put creativity and inspiration on a time clock; it should come naturally.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on January 18, 2015, 07:26:21 AM
So far they have announced festival dates in July. This doesn't mean that the album needs to be finished by then and that the actual tour has to start. Bands often take breaks from the studio to play at festivals.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 18, 2015, 07:41:04 AM
Not Dream Theater though. Keep in mind that most bands just use the studio for tracking and mixing, and that can easily be interrupted. DT writes and records at the same time, so they need everything set up.
 I agree with Kev, the fact that they're booking concerts means that they expect to put out the album in the usual fixed time.
There's definitely a rinse-lather-repeat to their music at this point.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on January 18, 2015, 08:04:37 AM
There's definitely a rinse-lather-repeat to their music at this point.

Yes.  And there are a lot of positives to that.  It is working great for them and their support organization (I assume).  And keep in mind that they probably blow through the physical recording part of the process faster than your average band (I assume).

I have no idea if spending more time in the writing phase would help.  It might not change a thing.  But I can only go off my personal experience which is my top 10 (maybe even 25) DT songs do not include a song off an album beyond Octavarium.  The newer albums have a great release effect, then they seem to lose their staying power (with me).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 18, 2015, 10:29:47 AM
I want demos.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 18, 2015, 10:34:26 AM
Does anybody think they'll release a "Cleaning out the Closet 2" album? I really liked the last one I received at Dreamcon 2000 in Den Bosch, Netherlands
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Systematik88 on January 18, 2015, 10:49:14 AM
As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.
I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.
This. The biggest problem of DT12 is the lack of variety and dynamics.
This thread is 5 pages already, and we're still two weeks away from the start of February. For all we know, they might not even go in until the middle or the end of the month.
The earliest announced tour date is July 11, so I'd be shocked if they didn't enter the studio at the beginning of the month. Speaking of that, I hope they don't rush the album because they only have 5 months...

Not too worried about them rushing..they put together Train of Thought in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Letter M on January 18, 2015, 10:53:13 AM
Does anybody think they'll release a "Cleaning out the Closet 2" album? I really liked the last one I received at Dreamcon 2000 in Den Bosch, Netherlands

Not likely. I'm pretty sure they've gone on the record as saying they've typically write enough JUST for an album, and don't really write any more than that usual 70-75 minutes of music.

The only B-Sides they've had since SFAM have been alternate versions (see "Through Her Eyes", "Wither"), single edits (see "The Thest That Stumped Them All", "Home", "Solitary Shell", "As I Am", "A Rite of Passage", etc. etc.), or demos (see "Wither", "The Best Of Times" MP vocal, etc.). But no actual FULL songs, except "Raw Dog", which was recorded for a different release in mind anyway.

So unless you want a "rarities" collection of stuff that is more or less easily available, I doubt we'll see another Cleaning Out The Closet-type album as there isn't really anything in their closet to clean out.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 18, 2015, 10:55:37 AM
As much as I enjoyed the ballads on ADTOE and DT13....IMO their best since, well....forever ago....it wouldn't bother me one bit if they shelved writing any ballads on this next album and gave us nothing but prog.
I think that would tire people's ears, especially if the production is subpar as has been the trend. Albums need contrast.
This. The biggest problem of DT12 is the lack of variety and dynamics.
This thread is 5 pages already, and we're still two weeks away from the start of February. For all we know, they might not even go in until the middle or the end of the month.
The earliest announced tour date is July 11, so I'd be shocked if they didn't enter the studio at the beginning of the month. Speaking of that, I hope they don't rush the album because they only have 5 months...
Fleetwood Mac they are not. They needed over a year in the studio to record Tusk for god's sake. Dream Theater know how to play their instruments. ;-)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 18, 2015, 12:51:28 PM
*shrugs*

This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do.  Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.

I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: darkshade on January 18, 2015, 01:16:27 PM
*shrugs*

This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do.  Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.

I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.

I'd also say most bands with a large enough fan base do not have the chops, musicianship, and musical diversity that DT has. Dream Theater is also one of the very few popular active bands out there where the majority of its fan base have been clamoring for the band to mix things up musically for years now, since Octavarium at least. I would say the band definitely throws in some surprises each album, most notably ADTOE with the electronics and throat singing, but I think most fans would accept an album with new sounds, approach, structure, etc...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 18, 2015, 01:23:22 PM
*shrugs*

This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do.  Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.

I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.
I never said they should reinvent their sound. I just think they could add an album to their catalog that is a bit more of a prog album that is heavier on musicianship and less on pop hooks and ballads. They don't need to reinvent themselves to do that. That being said, YES, Genesis, Heart and Aerosmith to name a few managed to change their sound during the early 80's to great success. I didn't care for the changes but they did change and had a second life to their careers. I would venture to say that at least Heart and YES recanted those changes when the music industry became tour heavy again.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 18, 2015, 01:54:09 PM
*shrugs*

This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do.  Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.

I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.

The problem is when the band doesn't have a history of evolving their sound. For a band like Queen, if they released a dud (e.g. Hot Space), people just shrugged their shoulders because they knew the album after that was going to be different again. If a band like DT majorly switched their sound after sticking to the same sound for over a decade, and it would turn out to be a flop, it could turn out to be a big problem.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 18, 2015, 02:28:36 PM
*shrugs*

This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do.  Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.

I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.

The problem is when the band doesn't have a history of evolving their sound. For a band like Queen, if they released a dud (e.g. Hot Space), people just shrugged their shoulders because they knew the album after that was going to be different again. If a band like DT majorly switched their sound after sticking to the same sound for over a decade, and it would turn out to be a flop, it could turn out to be a big problem.
Dream Theater have an intelligent, musically inclined, open-minded and above all loyal fan base that was created on bucking the musical trends and doing it their way despite the lack of radio play. They are known as a prog metal band. Why would being just a bit more proggy a) be a dud, and b) be a major problem for them if by some off chance it were, especially given their penchant to release new albums every two years or so? If fans stayed with them through the FII album, I doubt they would ever leave now if the album happened to be less commercial and more prog. They don't have to become another version of PHISH, just a more Liquid Tension version of themselves would be exciting to hear. I think fans would dig it and embrace it. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 18, 2015, 02:38:30 PM
Even though there are of course fans of every album, I feel like DT has disappointed the general fan base for the last four albums. I'm not speaking for myself here though, since I love both Systematic Chaos and A Dramatic Turn of Events. But I feel like the majority of comments of the past 6 years has been a bit negative. It seems like the fans are longing for the old DT, which will simply never return. Something I have accepted will never really return. And again, I really like both SC and ADToE, so not really speaking for myself here.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 18, 2015, 02:47:47 PM
Even though there are of course fans of every album, I feel like DT has disappointed the general fan base for the last four albums. I'm not speaking for myself here though, since I love both Systematic Chaos and A Dramatic Turn of Events. But I feel like the majority of comments of the past 6 years has been a bit negative. It seems like the fans are longing for the old DT, which will simply never return. Something I have accepted will never really return. And again, I really like both SC and ADToE, so not really speaking for myself here.
I personally think that ADToE is a better prog metal album than the last album. My preference is for instrumentals (sections of instrumentals in this case) which ADToE had more of. As much as I wish Mike Portnoy were back in the band, I was tired of the 12 step theme on so many of their albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on January 18, 2015, 03:04:20 PM
Even though there are of course fans of every album, I feel like DT has disappointed the general fan base for the last four albums. I'm not speaking for myself here though, since I love both Systematic Chaos and A Dramatic Turn of Events. But I feel like the majority of comments of the past 6 years has been a bit negative. It seems like the fans are longing for the old DT, which will simply never return. Something I have accepted will never really return. And again, I really like both SC and ADToE, so not really speaking for myself here.

I can see how one might think this, but I don't agree, personally. Their albums have been selling quite well for the past decade or so, they have been getting the same reviews they always get, and in interviews they talk always about how supportive the fans have been. I think people are pretty satisfied with them.

Regarding the popular discussion of whether DT should do something different: I think the fact of the matter is that they really love what they do, so they're less likely to change it up. Petrucci loves producing. All of them love progressive metal. Honestly, they probably like the paychecks they get as well. I don't see any large scale changes coming anytime soon and I understand it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 18, 2015, 03:11:13 PM
I personally think that ADToE is a better prog metal album than the last album. My preference is for instrumentals (sections of instrumentals in this case) which ADToE had more of. As much as I wish Mike Portnoy were back in the band, I was tired of the 12 step theme on so many of their albums.

I love all songs of the 12 step suite except The Shattered Fortress, because it in total had one original idea in 13 minutes. I agree that ADToE had very good instumental sections, something I feel like was a clear step up from BC&SL and was was lacking on DT12. So an approach similar to that would make me happy, although I would like there to be more experimentation with song structures, as I have previously stated.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 18, 2015, 03:16:20 PM
I personally think that ADToE is a better prog metal album than the last album. My preference is for instrumentals (sections of instrumentals in this case) which ADToE had more of. As much as I wish Mike Portnoy were back in the band, I was tired of the 12 step theme on so many of their albums.

I love all songs of the 12 step suite except The Shattered Fortress, because it in total had one original idea in 13 minutes. I agree that ADToE had very good instumental sections, something I feel like was a clear step up from BC&SL and was was lacking on DT12. So an approach similar to that would make me happy, although I would like there to be more experimentation with song structures, as I have previously stated.
I liked the music for the 12 step songs, just not the theme. I agree with the rest of your post, especially about the song structure...it's become too predictable over the years.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on January 18, 2015, 03:31:18 PM
The problem is when the band doesn't have a history of evolving their sound. For a band like Queen, if they released a dud (e.g. Hot Space), people just shrugged their shoulders because they knew the album after that was going to be different again. If a band like DT majorly switched their sound after sticking to the same sound for over a decade, and it would turn out to be a flop, it could turn out to be a big problem.
Completely agreed.

Bluehaze, I'm not sure what exactly it is you're suggesting. You're saying that should be "just a bit more proggy", but I don't know what that means. And more proggy than what? DT have ALWAYS had big melodic hooks in their songs, so those aren't going to go away. Their music remains full of complex instrumental sections. Ok DT12 was a little different in that regard, but that was pretty unique for them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 18, 2015, 03:52:48 PM
The problem is when the band doesn't have a history of evolving their sound. For a band like Queen, if they released a dud (e.g. Hot Space), people just shrugged their shoulders because they knew the album after that was going to be different again. If a band like DT majorly switched their sound after sticking to the same sound for over a decade, and it would turn out to be a flop, it could turn out to be a big problem.
Completely agreed.

Bluehaze, I'm not sure what exactly it is you're suggesting. You're saying that should be "just a bit more proggy", but I don't know what that means. And more proggy than what? DT have ALWAYS had big melodic hooks in their songs, so those aren't going to go away. Their music remains full of complex instrumental sections. Ok DT12 was a little different in that regard, but that was pretty unique for them.
More liquid Tension-esque would be a nice change of pace from the last album.. That's what I am saying/mean. What's wrong with a bit more of their instrumental prowess on an album and a bit less ballad? They can always come back with another album for that purpose. Why not indulge some of the more musically inclined fans? It isn't asking them to change their sound but rather giving some of their fans more of what we like and what I think set them apart from other bands. Frankly, it is baffling to me why DT fans would be so opposed to such an album.  Let me say it again, I am NOT asking for a major change in their sound so please don't comment about how a major change is unlikely . I get that and that has NEVER been what I've been saying. If I had to guess what kind of album it would be, I would bet we will see some longer, more involved songs. Why? I'm just speculating here but in a recent interview JP said that writing shorter songs was very difficult for him. We may very well see a DT album that is more instrumentally inclined coming our way...and it will be good...and all will be right in the world again. ;-)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fischermasamune on January 18, 2015, 04:20:11 PM
I don't believe they would change much. I'd estimate that DT13 will not deviate more from the rest of their discography than each previous albums deviated from the previous work.

And I don't want them to change too much. I like to hear their music, and I appreciate when they incorporate elements (like the ambient/orchestra break in IT) or change moderately the songwriting (like the difference between BCASL and ADTOE), but I don't want to hear an album that doesn't sould like it's theirs at all. Or maybe I do, but I'd incur in a risk similar as if I was listening to a completely new band.

If they do release such an album I don't like, I would not want to include it in my DT playlists, and may end up not even buying it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 18, 2015, 04:33:19 PM


If they do release such an album I don't like, I would not want to include it in my DT playlists, and may end up not even buying it.
Like the last album for me...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 18, 2015, 04:49:00 PM
As long as there's some heaviness somewhere in the album along with other usual things I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 18, 2015, 04:54:32 PM
They seem to all be fans of 'heavy' music, so that seems to be more or less guaranteed. I am a fan of that too, so I agree.  The heavy moments are often a highlight, whether I like the album overall or not.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 18, 2015, 05:03:05 PM
They seem to all be fans of 'heavy' music, so that seems to be more or less guaranteed. I am a fan of that too, so I agree.  The heavy moments are often a highlight, whether I like the album overall or not.
Can you imagine them saying screw it and doing a Periphery-styled album??? THAT would be heavy!!!  ...and It would make my day to see all of the ballad lovers out there cringe with pain. I'm playing with ya'll  ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 18, 2015, 05:25:54 PM
I dont want an all heavy album. I do though like to be able to headbang once in a while.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 18, 2015, 05:53:23 PM
Jay, 13 posts? What happened??

Can you imagine them saying screw it and doing a Periphery-styled album??? THAT would be heavy!!!  ...and It would make my day to see all of the ballad lovers out there cringe with pain. I'm playing with ya'll  ;)

While I do laugh that idea off as a joke, I'll say it again: I would like to see DT some of the "djent" rhythms. Not the sound, nor the guitar tone, nor the 'shuggashugga' style, just some of that style of advanced polyrhythm which I love.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 18, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
Jay, 13 posts? What happened??


Don't piss off Hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on January 18, 2015, 08:01:11 PM
While I get why they have to do it from a business standpoint, the fact that they are already announcing tour dates for this summer, without having any of the new album written yet, is not something I am a fan of.  What if they get in the studio and struggle to find their way?  Will they feel rushed to release whatever they come up with, because they know they have to have to finished by [insert date]? You can't exactly put creativity and inspiration on a time clock; it should come naturally.

Sounds like a lot to worry about.  :lol I agree that it should come naturally, but honestly if this is what works for them then that is what comes naturally to them. I think the fact of the matter is that DT members obviously feel comfortable and confident enough that they can keep on track. They don't expect to encounter any issues while recording, and why should they? Sure it's good to be prepared for anything, but worrying about an imaginary scenario where something causes them to not finish on time is a helpful attitude in some circumstances, such as foresight to predict potential hurdles, but a hindering attitude to have if you actually just want to get on with it and make progress. I get what you mean how it could make you feel uneasy that they impose these sort of expectations on themselves, but if they're confident in their ability to stick to their schedules then that should be good enough for us.

I want demos.

Me too... I love hearing the early concepts for certain tracks, and hearing the differences between final versions and witnessing the evolution of a song. Thing is, I'm not entirely sure if they even have demos anymore. They might have earlier versions of the mix, but it sounds like a few of the takes they use are literally the first attempt in some cases. So in many cases it seems the 'demoing' process is practically integrated into their methods of composing in the studio, resulting in no demos, at least not in the way we'd expect.

Even though there are of course fans of every album, I feel like DT has disappointed the general fan base for the last four albums. I'm not speaking for myself here though, since I love both Systematic Chaos and A Dramatic Turn of Events. But I feel like the majority of comments of the past 6 years has been a bit negative. It seems like the fans are longing for the old DT, which will simply never return. Something I have accepted will never really return. And again, I really like both SC and ADToE, so not really speaking for myself here.

Maybe some older fans feel this way, the ones that put all their earlier work on a pedestal for varying reasons. But really, any complaints about the recent half of their career have been from fans that have certain expectations that were not met by the band in the way they'd prefer. I think the 'core' DT fanbase will be pretty accepting of most of what they come out with, and the persistent 'negative' responses are a natural side effect (and in contrast) to a generally well received album as far as the band is concerned. Despite the huge variation in opinions on the albums, I don't think there's any one album that we can collectively agree was an actual flop or failure for the band. They're still always charging forward seemingly still getting bigger and receiving more recognition. Even SC which gets a lot of flak for whatever reasons, still correlates with an expansion of the fanbase and generally high acclamation. Each album has still been a success in it's own right, and the fanbase is still growing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 18, 2015, 10:12:58 PM
While I get why they have to do it from a business standpoint, the fact that they are already announcing tour dates for this summer, without having any of the new album written yet, is not something I am a fan of.  What if they get in the studio and struggle to find their way?  Will they feel rushed to release whatever they come up with, because they know they have to have to finished by [insert date]? You can't exactly put creativity and inspiration on a time clock; it should come naturally.

Sounds like a lot to worry about.  :lol I agree that it should come naturally, but honestly if this is what works for them then that is what comes naturally to them. I think the fact of the matter is that DT members obviously feel comfortable and confident enough that they can keep on track. They don't expect to encounter any issues while recording, and why should they? Sure it's good to be prepared for anything, but worrying about an imaginary scenario where something causes them to not finish on time is a helpful attitude in some circumstances, such as foresight to predict potential hurdles, but a hindering attitude to have if you actually just want to get on with it and make progress. I get what you mean how it could make you feel uneasy that they impose these sort of expectations on themselves, but if they're confident in their ability to stick to their schedules then that should be good enough for us.

I agree with this. We know a few things about the task in front of DT:
1) They'll likely write an album between 65 (or at least 60, anyway) and 80 minutes.
2) They're masters of their instruments and can learn parts very quickly.
3) At least on the last album, they were always mic'd so basically anything they did could be used as a final take, so recording doesn't even necessarily have to be an extra step/extra time beyond writing (except vox, which I assume are laid down in blocks once everything else is in).

Now, we've seen how these guys can jam, the random improvs Jordan has done, etc. I find it hard to believe that in five months, they can't come up with 60-80 minutes of great musical ideas and get them tracked (the mixing/mastering don't happen while they're in studio, right? That's later?). I know that's oversimplifying a bit, but they've done this...seven? times already, and while they maybe aren't 7-for-7 on satisfying some of us (myself included), they're 7-for-7 in satisfying themselves.

We've also seen Petrucci-led DT show a willingness to push back releases of things (the drummer doc and LALP) rather than rushing something out the door, so I imagine that if there were significant issues in the allotted time, they'd make allowances. But still, I find it hard to imagine that these guys could spend five months on an album and be dry of good ideas, when ToT took three weeks; didn't Flying Colors do their first one in just a few days? These things happen. Maybe it has some negative side effects, but there shouldn't be any more concern this cycle than any other.

Even though there are of course fans of every album, I feel like DT has disappointed the general fan base for the last four albums. I'm not speaking for myself here though, since I love both Systematic Chaos and A Dramatic Turn of Events. But I feel like the majority of comments of the past 6 years has been a bit negative. It seems like the fans are longing for the old DT, which will simply never return. Something I have accepted will never really return. And again, I really like both SC and ADToE, so not really speaking for myself here.

Maybe some older fans feel this way, the ones that put all their earlier work on a pedestal for varying reasons. But really, any complaints about the recent half of their career have been from fans that have certain expectations that were not met by the band in the way they'd prefer. I think the 'core' DT fanbase will be pretty accepting of most of what they come out with, and the persistent 'negative' responses are a natural side effect (and in contrast) to a generally well received album as far as the band is concerned. Despite the huge variation in opinions on the albums, I don't think there's any one album that we can collectively agree was an actual flop or failure for the band. They're still always charging forward seemingly still getting bigger and receiving more recognition. Even SC which gets a lot of flak for whatever reasons, still correlates with an expansion of the fanbase and generally high acclamation. Each album has still been a success in it's own right, and the fanbase is still growing.

Also great points here. I wonder how much of an effect the time someone becomes a DT fan has on their perception of the second half (say, post-ToT) portion of the discography. Obviously, here on DTF, many who followed the band in the '90s saw the second half of the discography as a consistent slide down, maybe bouncing back up with ADTOE a bit. I became a fan about a year before SC came out, and when it did come out, I played it to death. BCSL then got quite a bit of play, ADTOE much less, and it stayed about the same with DT. I feel like we process albums a bit differently when we first come across a band and drift through the back catalog (we see them as comprising the band's identity) vs. when they come out (when we see them as possibly just treading over the same ground, or deviating from the expected identity).

I can't speak for others, of course, but I'd guess that this is what causes the effects above. Those who have followed the band for a long time may perceive them either as getting complacent/stale or mired in a sound that's just a touch too far removed from their peak (which some may feel is I&W, some may say Awake, SFAM...even perhaps ToT). Critics, however, may note that they're still world-class musicians who still retain an ear for melody, and new fans process the discography holistically (noting the overall consistency/quality/musicianship, etc.) rather than focusing on the subtle evolution (or lack of evolution) at certain points. Not that that focus is bad or misplaced--these sorts of delvings are what make DTF great--but it does explain how the band could be very (rightfully) confident in their current direction despite a majority of the users on this forum wishing for various sorts of shakeups.

They seem to all be fans of 'heavy' music, so that seems to be more or less guaranteed.

JR isn't really, is he? Clearly the rest are (or at least I'd think JM is, right?), so it's guaranteed anyway.

I love all songs of the 12 step suite except The Shattered Fortress, because it in total had one original idea in 13 minutes.

Though I have the same issue with TSF, the main riff, both (extended) solos, and the final vocal section are all original ideas. (sorry for the nitpicks)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Stray Seed on January 19, 2015, 03:35:30 AM
^ Excellent post, man!!! You've made some great points there! :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 19, 2015, 10:34:43 AM
I dont want an all heavy album. I do though like to be able to headbang once in a while.


After DT12 I want an all ballad album.  :metal :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Octavarious on January 19, 2015, 03:01:06 PM
I dont want an all heavy album. I do though like to be able to headbang once in a while.


After DT12 I want an all ballad album.  :metal :yarr
Title: Sweet Balladreams.
Cover:all pink with lots of red hearts.
Yes, why not?
"And now for something completely different..." :yeahright
Ok...
Well, 1 ballad is just right. One.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 19, 2015, 04:08:37 PM
*shrugs*

This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do.  Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.

I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.
I never said they should reinvent their sound. I just think they could add an album to their catalog that is a bit more of a prog album that is heavier on musicianship and less on pop hooks and ballads. They don't need to reinvent themselves to do that. That being said, YES, Genesis, Heart and Aerosmith to name a few managed to change their sound during the early 80's to great success. I didn't care for the changes but they did change and had a second life to their careers. I would venture to say that at least Heart and YES recanted those changes when the music industry became tour heavy again.

I'm not familiar with all of those bands but most of the ones you listed started making more mainstream songs aka less proggy in the case of Yes and Genesis.   Thats why they succeeded.  Same could be said for Megadeth, Testament, even Fates Warning.  So unless you are suggesting DT makes a more mainstream album, I don't see how shaking things up would guarantee bigger success.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bluehaze1933 on January 19, 2015, 04:45:51 PM
*shrugs*

This far into their career, I just don't expect them to make major changes to what they do.  Small things, for sure, but major changes...not so much.

I would say 80-90% of bands that make major changes this far into their career face disastrous results.
I never said they should reinvent their sound. I just think they could add an album to their catalog that is a bit more of a prog album that is heavier on musicianship and less on pop hooks and ballads. They don't need to reinvent themselves to do that. That being said, YES, Genesis, Heart and Aerosmith to name a few managed to change their sound during the early 80's to great success. I didn't care for the changes but they did change and had a second life to their careers. I would venture to say that at least Heart and YES recanted those changes when the music industry became tour heavy again.

I'm not familiar with all of those bands but most of the ones you listed started making more mainstream songs aka less proggy in the case of Yes and Genesis.   Thats why they succeeded.  Same could be said for Megadeth, Testament, even Fates Warning.  So unless you are suggesting DT makes a more mainstream album, I don't see how shaking things up would guarantee bigger success.
My point is not that DT change their sound, but that bands have changed their sound and succeeded. The 80's sucked for music and those that "sold out" to stay relevant have changed their tune (excuse the pun) as of late. My DESIRE is that they make a more proggy album not a less proggy one. They ARE a PROG-metal band after all, and this is why they became successful in the first place. They bucked the commercial market to be proggy when prog was all but dead. Do their fans really want them to be less proggy?  If I wanted that, I'd listen to Journey. There are more than enough bands out there for that kind of boring pop sound. I want DT to stay true to themselves and not give in to those that want less prog. Dream Theater have paved the way for many other prog metal bands such as Circus Maximus, Pagans Mind, the Von Hertzen brothers to name  a few. Other prog bands such as Beardfish and the Flower Kings have also carved out a prog following thanks to DT's bringing prog back from the dead. Long live prog rock!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 20, 2015, 07:09:24 AM
Well, they aren't doing anything non-proggy now, so I'm not sure how they can do MORE proggy without being LESS accessible.

Their last album was focused on more concise songwriting, but it wasn't any less proggy.  But even if the shorter songs aren't your cup of tea, they've never done two albums in a row exactly the same anyway, so I would be surprised if that same focus stayed on the next album anyway.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on January 20, 2015, 07:26:57 AM
I think their decision to consciously make shorter songs in the recent album is not an indicator of future direction but is a rather an album specific concept. It is in keeping with the decision to self title the album, to be straight to the point. And then they couple it with an epic, which is a very typical represebtation of what Dream Theater is all about.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on January 20, 2015, 08:30:49 AM
But even if the shorter songs aren't your cup of tea, they've never done two albums in a row exactly the same anyway, so I would be surprised if that same focus stayed on the next album anyway.
Yeah, it seems that bluehaze was simply suggesting a different direction to DT12, but I think that's a given.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: adamack on January 20, 2015, 11:17:16 AM
Considering Wither and This is the Life are two of my favourite recent DT songs,  I don't think they should be avoiding ballads. :lol
Here ya go...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJbTyFzqZu0

Hahahahah! Hearing "Heyyyyy, sexy lady" over Wither is hysterical
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on January 20, 2015, 11:27:41 AM
Well are we going to lay odds on Metropolis II or what?  :laugh:

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 20, 2015, 11:42:01 AM
Well are we going to lay odds on Metropolis II or what?  :laugh:
That was in 1999.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 20, 2015, 12:14:48 PM
Imagine that though, being a long time DT fan, and then discovering that you've somehow missed an album called 'Scenes From a Memory' or something. That'd be a pretty swell day.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 20, 2015, 12:34:04 PM
Well are we going to lay odds on Metropolis II or what?  :laugh:
That was in 1999.

I can guarantee 100% that they will definitely do that album at some point in their career. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 20, 2015, 12:35:54 PM
Imagine that though, being a long time DT fan, and then discovering that you've somehow missed an album called 'Scenes From a Memory' or something. That'd be a pretty swell day.

This happened to me. After FII I kind of lost track of them....got into the Heavier Music (Pantera, Machine Head...etc. etc.) and really didn't follow up with DT for a few years. In the summer of 2002 I was managing a Sports Bar and one of the cooks mentioned Dream Theater in converstation....and I said I used to love them and that it was too bad that they quit making music. He was like 'WTF you talking about?' and he told me about Scenes and 6 Degrees. I immediately ran out and bought them and had a great mind blowing few weeks just listening to those over and over and over......
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 20, 2015, 01:13:35 PM
Damn, that sounds awesome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 20, 2015, 01:33:06 PM
Imagine that though, being a long time DT fan, and then discovering that you've somehow missed an album called 'Scenes From a Memory' or something. That'd be a pretty swell day.

This happened to me. After FII I kind of lost track of them....got into the Heavier Music (Pantera, Machine Head...etc. etc.) and really didn't follow up with DT for a few years. In the summer of 2002 I was managing a Sports Bar and one of the cooks mentioned Dream Theater in converstation....and I said I used to love them and that it was too bad that they quit making music. He was like 'WTF you talking about?' and he told me about Scenes and 6 Degrees. I immediately ran out and bought them and had a great mind blowing few weeks just listening to those over and over and over......


:metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on January 20, 2015, 03:47:48 PM
D'oh. PaWnT.

Met III

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 20, 2015, 04:06:25 PM
Damn, that sounds awesome.

It was. I was in my full blown 'pot head' days then so I would partake....sit back....and just listen...... :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 20, 2015, 04:07:22 PM
Imagine that though, being a long time DT fan, and then discovering that you've somehow missed an album called 'Scenes From a Memory' or something. That'd be a pretty swell day.

This happened to me. After FII I kind of lost track of them....got into the Heavier Music (Pantera, Machine Head...etc. etc.) and really didn't follow up with DT for a few years. In the summer of 2002 I was managing a Sports Bar and one of the cooks mentioned Dream Theater in converstation....and I said I used to love them and that it was too bad that they quit making music. He was like 'WTF you talking about?' and he told me about Scenes and 6 Degrees. I immediately ran out and bought them and had a great mind blowing few weeks just listening to those over and over and over......

I am shaming you through the internet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 20, 2015, 04:13:22 PM
Imagine that though, being a long time DT fan, and then discovering that you've somehow missed an album called 'Scenes From a Memory' or something. That'd be a pretty swell day.

This happened to me. After FII I kind of lost track of them....got into the Heavier Music (Pantera, Machine Head...etc. etc.) and really didn't follow up with DT for a few years. In the summer of 2002 I was managing a Sports Bar and one of the cooks mentioned Dream Theater in converstation....and I said I used to love them and that it was too bad that they quit making music. He was like 'WTF you talking about?' and he told me about Scenes and 6 Degrees. I immediately ran out and bought them and had a great mind blowing few weeks just listening to those over and over and over......

I am shaming you through the internet.

I felt ashamed. I guess I had convinced myself that just because my effort to keep up with them wained that they stopped recording music.  :lol  in my defense though....without getting too serious.....that point of my life was the worst point of my life....I wasn't in the best state of mind then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 20, 2015, 04:31:04 PM
Sometimes music can pull you out of the rut!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on January 20, 2015, 04:40:37 PM
Damn, that sounds awesome.

It was. I was in my full blown 'pot head' days then so I would partake....sit back....and just listen...... :hat

Little known secret but I was pretty much high out of my tree when I personally discovered DT. I'd been exposed to them a few times, but it took me being rather  :hat for them to actually grab my attention and actually listen properly. All I can say is, mind blown, they became my favourite band over a short few months and the rest is history.

And ya know what, it was ANTR and AROP that practically inducted me into DT land (start of BC&SL). So I postulate that people that don't like that album clearly weren't high enough to have their socks knocked off by this amazing album. I kid of course, but still. :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Podaar on January 20, 2015, 04:54:34 PM
Rodni,

I haven't  :hat  in 30 years but I had a "click" moment with AROP this weekend!  :metal

I've been one of the folks who've slagged on BC&SL but while testing out the new networked home stereo system this weekend (everything streams off of a dedicated NAS) A Rite of Passage came on shuffle and I smiled at myself when I caught myself having that internal head-bang feeling (I'm much too dignified, and bald, to do it on the outside).

Such a great riff!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on January 20, 2015, 05:17:41 PM
Haha, glad to hear it!  I definitely feel that song is underrated so nice to see good things being said about it. :P

Might seem a bit generic by the standard of their other work, but there's actually a lot more too it and is so much more than just a generic metal track imo. I even love Bebot, reminds me of old NES and Sega Master System sound effects and is kinda 'trippy' on a decent sound system. And the whole bridge solo section is pretty badass too. But as I implied in my last post, I have nostalgic bias towards this song.  :lol

It's actually something I rather look forward to with the new albums; the 'metal single'. I doubt I'll be disappointed as I also think The Enemy Inside was excellent. For the record, HTF/PA/CM/AROP are all favourite songs for me, possibly for similar reasons.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: darkshade on January 21, 2015, 12:41:47 PM
Haha, glad to hear it!  I definitely feel that song is underrated so nice to see good things being said about it. :P

Might seem a bit generic by the standard of their other work, but there's actually a lot more too it and is so much more than just a generic metal track imo. I even love Bebot, reminds me of old NES and Sega Master System sound effects and is kinda 'trippy' on a decent sound system. And the whole bridge solo section is pretty badass too. But as I implied in my last post, I have nostalgic bias towards this song.  :lol

It's actually something I rather look forward to with the new albums; the 'metal single'. I doubt I'll be disappointed as I also think The Enemy Inside was excellent. For the record, HTF/PA/CM/AROP are all favourite songs for me, possibly for similar reasons.  :biggrin:

Just to let you know, As I Am and I Walk Beside You were the "singles" from their respective album. Not sure why you think HTF was, but Panic Attack wasn't a "single" until the Rock Band game.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 21, 2015, 01:05:02 PM
AROP would be a very good, concise metal track if they'd come up with something reasonable for the middle section. Instead, we got a couple of riffs that aren't very compelling (and even grate somewhat), a JP solo that has a few good licks but is overall pretty directionless, and Bebot, which might be my least favorite section in DT history (Interestingly, I actually really like the direction JR's solo starts in; it's more melodic than most of his).

The rest of the song is definitely cool--great riffs. Most underrated part is that little descending riff that follows the chorus. The chorus and verse 2 are also pretty awesome. But the middle just drags it down to the bottom quarter of DT tracks for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on January 21, 2015, 05:06:24 PM
Just to let you know, As I Am and I Walk Beside You were the "singles" from their respective album. Not sure why you think HTF was, but Panic Attack wasn't a "single" until the Rock Band game.

Yes you're right, although I was actually just referring to TEI as the single and then went onto compare it to other tracks that I like for similar reasons. And I much prefer HTF to AIA but I would still put AIA in that category, I just didn't. :P

There are even more songs that I like for similar reasons that I didn't include before so not to make my point too convoluted. Such as AFIL/PMU/TM/BMS/Home.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 21, 2015, 07:31:34 PM
Haha, glad to hear it!  I definitely feel that song is underrated so nice to see good things being said about it. :P

Might seem a bit generic by the standard of their other work, but there's actually a lot more too it and is so much more than just a generic metal track imo. I even love Bebot, reminds me of old NES and Sega Master System sound effects and is kinda 'trippy' on a decent sound system. And the whole bridge solo section is pretty badass too. But as I implied in my last post, I have nostalgic bias towards this song.  :lol

It's actually something I rather look forward to with the new albums; the 'metal single'. I doubt I'll be disappointed as I also think The Enemy Inside was excellent. For the record, HTF/PA/CM/AROP are all favourite songs for me, possibly for similar reasons.  :biggrin:

Just to let you know, As I Am and I Walk Beside You were the "singles" from their respective album. Not sure why you think HTF was, but Panic Attack wasn't a "single" until the Rock Band game.

I don't know if it was technically a "single", but Panic Attack was released in a radio edit before the album came out, and I remember the first we heard of it was from the radio, along with These Walls.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OsMosis2259 on January 22, 2015, 08:04:11 AM
It looks like they have some shows in July and will probably have more afterwards.

I think September or the fall might be a little too soon to have DT13 released... Unless they write the album in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 22, 2015, 11:09:38 AM
It looks like they have some shows in July and will probably have more afterwards.

I think September or the fall might be a little too soon to have DT13 released... Unless they write the album in 3 weeks.

Train of thought ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 22, 2015, 11:27:24 AM
The songs for Awake were also written in a span of roughly 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on January 22, 2015, 11:42:58 AM
Yeah, these guys are capable of writing and recording pretty quickly.  I don't think that is an issue at all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: taylorimpromptu on January 22, 2015, 11:44:32 AM
It looks like they have some shows in July and will probably have more afterwards.

I think September or the fall might be a little too soon to have DT13 released... Unless they write the album in 3 weeks.

Remember, we're talking about Dream Theater, not Tool.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: chudm on January 22, 2015, 12:15:20 PM
What about the rumors of metropolis pt3 and mp producing?  :omg:

https://theshamansblog.com/2015/01/22/mike-portnoy-producira-el-metropolis-pt-3-de-dream-theater/

That guy is usually right, so, i dont think is a joke or fake, what do you think if its true?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: James Mypetgiress on January 22, 2015, 12:18:36 PM
 :corn just gonna sit here, and watch the bollocks ensue!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on January 22, 2015, 12:40:35 PM
What about the rumors of metropolis pt3 and mp producing?  :omg:

https://theshamansblog.com/2015/01/22/mike-portnoy-producira-el-metropolis-pt-3-de-dream-theater/

That guy is usually right, so, i dont think is a joke or fake, what do you think if its true?

Completely fake. That's literally the casual fan's wet dream and it's dumb as hell.





 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: a8ac on January 22, 2015, 12:48:47 PM
What about the rumors of metropolis pt3 and mp producing?  :omg:

https://theshamansblog.com/2015/01/22/mike-portnoy-producira-el-metropolis-pt-3-de-dream-theater/

That guy is usually right, so, i dont think is a joke or fake, what do you think if its true?

Completely fake. That's literally the casual fan's wet dream and it's dumb as hell.





 :lol

I don't know man.. that blog doesnt usually post fake stuff... What if its true?? :omg:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on January 22, 2015, 12:52:11 PM
Well, for one, the tweet that JP "sent" isn't on his page. So there's that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Raise the Drum on January 22, 2015, 12:52:37 PM
What about the rumors of metropolis pt3 and mp producing?  :omg:

https://theshamansblog.com/2015/01/22/mike-portnoy-producira-el-metropolis-pt-3-de-dream-theater/

That guy is usually right, so, i dont think is a joke or fake, what do you think if its true?

hahahah
A part of me wants to believe this so much because I would be glad to see good vibes between DT and MP after all this time, but there's also a part of me thinking "HA! good one"
Probably the second part of me is right. IDK

I'm happy if the part of they talking again is true; but Metropolis pt. 3?
I don't really think so.
 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: a8ac on January 22, 2015, 12:55:11 PM
The tweet isnt there anymore, but people in the comments section claim that they saw it but it was removed by petrucci after a lot of people started talking about the Mtp3 thing
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: chudm on January 22, 2015, 12:56:34 PM
Well, for one, the tweet that JP "sent" isn't on his page. So there's that.

the tweet was real, he deleted later, i can tell you that

Honestly ill be happy if they make metropolis pt3, we all know it would happen someday, and mp producing im not sure, i would love someone like SW producing making the new album sound perfect!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on January 22, 2015, 01:06:15 PM
I definitely saw Petrucci's tweet. Looked like it was directed to someone, but without the @ name.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 22, 2015, 01:10:57 PM
The tweet could mean anything, there are hundreds of musicians at NAMM that he knows.

The rest is horseshit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on January 22, 2015, 01:20:44 PM
Honestly ill be happy if they make metropolis pt3, we all know it would happen someday.

Did we? The Metropolis story has been told. What is this obsession that some fans have with this idea? It comes up with every album cycle. Let it go.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 22, 2015, 01:22:27 PM
Honestly ill be happy if they make metropolis pt3, we all know it would happen someday.

Did we? The Metropolis story has been told. What is this obsession that some fans have with this idea? It comes up with every album cycle. Let it go.
No kidding.

I mean, if they choose to do it, I hope they do a good job with it.  But I see no reason to do it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: chudm on January 22, 2015, 01:24:20 PM
Honestly ill be happy if they make metropolis pt3, we all know it would happen someday.

Did we? The Metropolis story has been told. What is this obsession that some fans have with this idea? It comes up with every album cycle. Let it go.
No kidding.

I mean, if they choose to do it, I hope they do a good job with it.  But I see no reason to do it.

you are probably right, but im hoping at least for a concept album, in the veins of sfam, ill happy with that, and a better sounding album  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on January 22, 2015, 01:30:47 PM
Metropolis is an used idea. Yes for concept album but please, no Metropolis pt.3.

JP's tweet sounds like he accidentally tweeted a personal message. Maybe some of his friends or relatives, nothing bigger. Don't overact folks! JP doesn't tweet that kind of messages usually.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JLa on January 22, 2015, 01:33:49 PM
I haven't truly loved a DT album since Octavarium, but of course I am excited about the new one. Hopefully they'll get the mix/sound right this time, the drums on DT12 really bugged me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 22, 2015, 01:57:46 PM
Metropolis Part 3 would be this:

(https://www.destinyland.org/Fonzie%20jumping%20over%20the%20shark%20on%20Happy%20Days.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 22, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
How about A Count Of Tuscany II: Back To The Villa!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: a8ac on January 22, 2015, 03:12:38 PM
Forget about mtp3... It was all a joke
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: LCArenas on January 22, 2015, 03:58:37 PM
How about A Count Of Tuscany II: Back To The Villa!
NOW WAIT A MINUTE MORE
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 22, 2015, 04:06:21 PM
The tweet could mean anything, there are hundreds of musicians at NAMM that he knows.

The rest is horseshit.

"John Petrucci wants to meet with another musician?! OMG, it must be Mike Portnoy! But wait, why would he want to do that...oh *slaps self in face* to produce Metropolis Part 3: Deleted Scenes From a Memory! How could I have missed that?!"
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 22, 2015, 04:06:56 PM
DT13: "Constant Motion with the Cunt of Tuscany"
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: npiazza91 on January 22, 2015, 04:46:02 PM
Instead of MP3, i wouldn't mind a concept album based on another popular DT song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 22, 2015, 05:40:21 PM
Instead of MP3, i wouldn't mind a concept album based on another popular DT song.

inb4 Never Enough 2
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 22, 2015, 06:17:17 PM
Instead of MP3, I would like all the songs in WAV.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 22, 2015, 06:31:22 PM
Little known fact, WAV files can be compressed. By the definition of the Microsoft standard, that is.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on January 22, 2015, 07:04:10 PM
Metropolis Part 3 would be this:

(https://www.destinyland.org/Fonzie%20jumping%20over%20the%20shark%20on%20Happy%20Days.jpg)
:tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on January 22, 2015, 07:08:01 PM
The songs for Awake were also written in a span of roughly 3 weeks.
Well, some of the stuff was showing up during the I&W live shows.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 22, 2015, 09:37:50 PM
Dem Puppies
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2015, 07:14:07 AM
The songs for Awake were also written in a span of roughly 3 weeks.
Well, some of the stuff was showing up during the I&W live shows.
Mostly just Puppies On Acid.

What else?  Nothing else is coming to mind.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Art on January 23, 2015, 07:36:02 AM
Falling Further Into Infinity
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 23, 2015, 08:52:06 AM
When Dream and Day Unite 2: Reunited

Images and Words 2: A Dramatic Turn of Events

Awake 2: Insomnia

Falling Into Infinity 2: Still Falling

Metropolis Part 2.5: Victoria Is Still Watching

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Art on January 23, 2015, 09:34:14 AM

Awake 2: Insomnia



 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 23, 2015, 09:41:37 AM
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence Part 2: This Time It's Celsius

Train of Thought 2: Catching That Transfer

Octavarium 2: Still Trapped

Systematic Chaos: Anarchic Arrangement

Black Clouds & Silver Linings 2: The Count Of Tuscany 2

A Dramatic Turn of Events 2: Still On The Rope

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2015, 09:53:08 AM
DT12 2 - Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back Again Yo
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 23, 2015, 09:56:58 AM
YES
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: James Mypetgiress on January 23, 2015, 09:57:58 AM
this thread, like most here, is magical...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2015, 09:59:56 AM
Score 2 - Settled

Live at Budokan 2 - Even Liver

Awake 3 - Kraven's Last Hunt
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 23, 2015, 10:01:09 AM
Breaking The Fourth Wall 2: Revenge of the Kool Aid Man
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2015, 10:08:33 AM
I like that one.

Images & Words 2 - Pics or It Didn't Happen

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 23, 2015, 10:10:50 AM
Live Scenes From New York 2: All But The Piped in Vocals
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 23, 2015, 10:17:42 AM
Breaking The Fourth Wall 2: Revenge of the Kool Aid Man

:lol

Live in Tokyo 2: Pen, Paper, WTF
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on January 23, 2015, 10:48:22 AM
The songs for Awake were also written in a span of roughly 3 weeks.
Well, some of the stuff was showing up during the I&W live shows.
Mostly just Puppies On Acid.

What else?  Nothing else is coming to mind.
Innocence Faded jam (https://mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/searchresults.asp?criteria=innocence+faded+jam&in=song) and 6:00 jam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dnzS2cpQsY)

Then there was the neoclassical bit in Erotomania that was recycled from an early PMU demo. Also, both TSM and SDV had been written a few months before the proper writing sessions began.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2015, 11:05:56 AM
I remember the bit from Erotomania now.  The original version of that (PMU with Erotomania inside it) had a working title of Oliver's Twist.

That would be a neat thing to pull out live.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on January 23, 2015, 11:11:20 AM
Innocence Faded jam (https://mikeportnoy.com/dates/tourography/searchresults.asp?criteria=innocence+faded+jam&in=song) and 6:00 jam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dnzS2cpQsY)

Then there was the neoclassical bit in Erotomania that was recycled from an early PMU demo. Also, both TSM and SDV had been written a few months before the proper writing sessions began.

Damn.  You are good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 23, 2015, 11:19:52 AM
Yeah. I didn't really buy into the 3 week figure for writing Awake. If that had been the case, MP wouldn't have made a big deal on the ToT bonus video about the short writing time of the album,
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 23, 2015, 11:24:11 AM
Images and Words 2: A Dramatic Turn of Events

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 23, 2015, 11:31:16 AM
Images and Words 2: Jay And Silent Blob strike Back
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2015, 11:41:49 AM
Images and Words 2: Jay And Silent Blob strike Back

Snootch bootchies, bitch.

DT12 2 - Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back Again Yo
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 23, 2015, 11:43:58 AM
Dammit! :lol

I failed.  Let me try it again.


Images and Words 2: Electric Boogaloo

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2015, 11:48:28 AM
(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/DTF/Ill%20allow%20it_zpsc5toqdvm.gif)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 23, 2015, 11:56:24 AM
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/A3925C9F-968C-43D3-9E75-FFEA9CE63491_zpsm8tldqyk.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/A3925C9F-968C-43D3-9E75-FFEA9CE63491_zpsm8tldqyk.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on January 23, 2015, 12:00:59 PM
Space-Dye Vest Pt. 2: Open Again
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 23, 2015, 12:10:47 PM
DT 13 , Part 2: Falling into Recursion
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mikemangioy on January 23, 2015, 01:14:43 PM
DT12 pt.2: revenge of the watermark
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2015, 01:40:26 PM
DT 14 - Hugh Syme Uses Something Other Than Stock Images
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mikemangioy on January 23, 2015, 01:50:43 PM
DT15 - Hugh Syme gets sued for plagiarism by himself, because he's just that lazy and doesn't want to work
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bl5150 on January 23, 2015, 01:52:54 PM
Space-Dye Vest Pt. 2: Open Again

Operation Mindcrime 3 : The Vest Spaced.

(https://s10.postimg.org/dhapongwp/tate.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on January 23, 2015, 02:51:05 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 23, 2015, 03:22:39 PM
DT15 - Hugh Syme gets sued for plagiarism by himself, because he's just that lazy and doesn't want to work


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/906371_1571249616465214_4896174001652172135_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 23, 2015, 04:06:37 PM
Glorious. You missed the diagonal cut though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 23, 2015, 04:37:46 PM
Glorious. You missed the diagonal cut though.

:lol I thought about it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: LCArenas on January 23, 2015, 08:46:03 PM
Chaos in Motion 2: Now in 240p!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on January 24, 2015, 11:58:17 AM
A Dramatic Turn of Events pt.1,5: The Clown Revealed
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: GasparXR on January 24, 2015, 12:10:52 PM

A Dramatic Turn of Events 2: Still On The Rope

Don't you mean...

A Dramatic Turn of Events 2: Images and Words 3

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: aprilethereal on January 24, 2015, 01:30:19 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/906371_1571249616465214_4896174001652172135_o.jpg)

:lol :clap:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 24, 2015, 03:00:57 PM
:) Thank you.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wizard of Thought on January 27, 2015, 02:37:05 PM
Panic Attack Pt.2: A Right Sence of Urgency
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2015, 04:32:10 PM
Metropolis Part III : Whyiiiii'm alive again .
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 27, 2015, 08:13:46 PM
Only A Matter Of Time 2: Any Minute Now
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Grizz on January 27, 2015, 09:23:17 PM
Metropolis Part III : Whyiiiii'm alive again .
Dockniss fah behind me
Whyiiiii'm invincible dis pair will nevah find meehee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JLa on January 28, 2015, 06:33:16 AM
So many hilarious suggestions in here.  :lol

How about an artwork thread? Those always crack me up.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 28, 2015, 07:11:25 AM
Do it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dreamer81 on January 28, 2015, 09:14:32 AM
From Mike Mangini Fb page

Doing some preparations for getting set up in the studio next week for Dream Theater.

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on January 28, 2015, 09:16:38 AM
That's exciting news!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2015, 09:21:58 AM
From Mike Mangini Fb page

Doing some preparations for getting set up in the studio next week for Dream Theater.

 :metal :metal

Pardon me, Stewardess, I speak Mangini.  He said, "I'm trying to rent a fleet of U-Hauls to get all my drums from Boston to New York."
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 28, 2015, 09:32:23 AM
Yeah, no kidding.



 :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2015, 10:19:24 AM
Do it!

Oh god please. Those threads are always full of win.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 28, 2015, 11:26:51 AM
From Mike Mangini Fb page

Doing some preparations for getting set up in the studio next week for Dream Theater.

 :metal :metal

Pardon me, Stewardess, I speak Mangini.  He said, "I'm trying to rent a fleet of U-Hauls to get all my drums from Boston to New York."

He'll need a sleigh right now.  Trust me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OsMosis2259 on January 28, 2015, 12:00:37 PM
Great news!  :metal

Just hoping that he'll bring a better sounding snare this time!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 28, 2015, 01:25:15 PM
Just hoping that he'll bring a better sounding snare this time!

100% this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 28, 2015, 02:17:13 PM
Just hoping that he'll bring a better sounding snare this time!

100% this.

Was the awful DT12 snare a result of the drum itself or the production?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 28, 2015, 02:36:02 PM
I think the result of having a guitarist as a producer.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2015, 02:39:15 PM
I never really had much issue with the snare, so I don't really know what you guys are talking about.  :dunno:

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2015, 03:16:02 PM
I never really had much issue with the snare, so I don't really know what you guys are talking about.  :dunno:

It worked for the most part but sounded dreadful especially on Along For The Ride. For a nice ballad like that you want something like and airy - not some big fat

huge sounding snare stomping all over the song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 28, 2015, 03:20:31 PM
It doesn't drive me nuts like most but I like most recording of instruments to have dynamics and DT12 did not have dynamics in the instruments.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: commanderbob on January 28, 2015, 03:33:54 PM
Well here's this for contrary opinion: the drum sound on DT12 was one of my favorite things about it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2015, 03:36:00 PM
I never really had much issue with the snare, so I don't really know what you guys are talking about.  :dunno:

It worked for the most part but sounded dreadful especially on Along For The Ride. For a nice ballad like that you want something like and airy - not some big fat

huge sounding snare stomping all over the song.

Actually, that contrast is one of the things I like about the song.  It grabbed me right away that it was so unusual and was not a typical "ballad."  I find Along For The Ride's indecision about whether it is a ballad or something else to be one of its best features.  But I guess by virtue of you pointing it out, I can understand how it might be jarring and turn some people off.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on January 28, 2015, 07:54:37 PM
It doesn't drive me nuts like most but I like most recording of instruments to have dynamics and DT12 did not have dynamics in the instruments.

My sentiments as well.  I think Rich Chycki may have been trying to push the DT sound toward what he achieved on Impermanent Resonance and I hope DT uses a different engineer just in case.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on January 28, 2015, 08:01:05 PM
It doesn't drive me nuts like most but I like most recording of instruments to have dynamics and DT12 did not have dynamics in the instruments.

My sentiments as well.  I think Rich Chycki may have been trying to push the DT sound toward what he achieved on Impermanent Resonance and I hope DT uses a different engineer just in case.

I think you mean Elements of Persuasion. Rich didn't engineer IR or Static Impulse
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 28, 2015, 08:07:16 PM
I never really had much issue with the snare, so I don't really know what you guys are talking about.  :dunno:

It worked for the most part but sounded dreadful especially on Along For The Ride. For a nice ballad like that you want something like and airy - not some big fat

huge sounding snare stomping all over the song.

Actually, that contrast is one of the things I like about the song.  It grabbed me right away that it was so unusual and was not a typical "ballad."  I find Along For The Ride's indecision about whether it is a ballad or something else to be one of its best features.  But I guess by virtue of you pointing it out, I can understand how it might be jarring and turn some people off.

This. Nothing Else Matters does the same thing and it's one of the greatest rock ballads of all time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 28, 2015, 08:29:51 PM
I never really had much issue with the snare, so I don't really know what you guys are talking about.  :dunno:

It worked for the most part but sounded dreadful especially on Along For The Ride. For a nice ballad like that you want something like and airy - not some big fat

huge sounding snare stomping all over the song.

Actually, that contrast is one of the things I like about the song.  It grabbed me right away that it was so unusual and was not a typical "ballad."  I find Along For The Ride's indecision about whether it is a ballad or something else to be one of its best features.  But I guess by virtue of you pointing it out, I can understand how it might be jarring and turn some people off.

This. Nothing Else Matters does the same thing and it's one of the greatest rock ballads of all time.

So do most '80s power ballads. The snare sounds on some of them are just massive, and really assist. I don't find AFTR to be a particularly good song, but that's because it seems a bit underbaked (as if they wrote the (admittedly quite good) chorus and then just rushed it into a song by pasting on a couple other relatively inoffensive sections) rather than the actual tonality of the instruments. I strongly dislike the snare in general, but I like it there more than I do on the TEI heavy riffs, where it gets dangerously close to St. Anger territory for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on January 28, 2015, 08:37:44 PM
It doesn't drive me nuts like most but I like most recording of instruments to have dynamics and DT12 did not have dynamics in the instruments.

My sentiments as well.  I think Rich Chycki may have been trying to push the DT sound toward what he achieved on Impermanent Resonance and I hope DT uses a different engineer just in case.

I think you mean Elements of Persuasion. Rich didn't engineer IR or Static Impulse

Oh Snap!  I stand corrected big time.  Elements of Persuasion sounded great.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 28, 2015, 11:56:49 PM
Aside from the snare not even sounding like a real snare, my biggest problem with it is that it doesn't sound like he's hitting a drum with a stick, it sounds like he's pressing a button.  It sounds like the exact same "hit" sampled over and over again. Also, the volume moderation (I don't know any proper technical terms) is really lazy. Sometimes when there are a few snare hits after each other in a fill or something, the hits all sound identical in both sound and volume.

It is a completely unfathomable mystery to me how a band with DT's resources and experience can produce something that amateur-sounding. Actually, it is even rare to come across amateurs with drum production that lazy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 29, 2015, 12:06:46 AM
Aside from the snare not even sounding like a real snare, my biggest problem with it is that it doesn't sound like he's hitting a drum with a stick, it sounds like he's pressing a button.  It sounds like the exact same "hit" sampled over and over again. Also, the volume moderation (I don't know any proper technical terms) is really lazy. Sometimes when there are a few snare hits after each other in a fill or something, the hits all sound identical in both sound and volume.

It is a completely unfathomable mystery to me how a band with DT's resources and experience can produce something that amateur-sounding. Actually, it is even rare to come across amateurs with drum production that lazy.

Of course, the same can be said of Images and Words...but they had an outside producer who had the good sense to use a sample that was sonically pleasing (though the sampling method obviously came with some drawbacks that have been much discussed and don't need to be rehashed). Here, you have similar issues with the dynamics but a tone that sounds...yeah, amateur isn't far off. Sounds kind of like some sort of sound a garage-thrash band would be getting.

Which makes it all the more (pleasantly) surprising that BTFW had easily the best snare sound of DT's career.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 29, 2015, 12:44:02 AM
Just checked out 'The Shattered Fortress' from BtFW, and yeah, that snare is great. I hope they use something like that for the new album.

Although, I sincerely hope JP doesn't use that mess of a guitar tone. Those lower notes are basically indistinguishable.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lynxo on January 29, 2015, 12:49:15 AM
Yeah, I also hope for a better drums sound this time around. I've had my opinions of Mike Portnoy but one thing I always thought he brought to the table was GREAT sounding drums, at least from Awake and forward. Always really clear, massive and you can hear every little nuance in his playing.

Not so much with Mike Mangini. A lot of the brilliant things he's doing gets lost and I can only hear them if I'm really trying to listen for it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on January 29, 2015, 01:11:54 AM
Aside from the snare not even sounding like a real snare, my biggest problem with it is that it doesn't sound like he's hitting a drum with a stick, it sounds like he's pressing a button.  It sounds like the exact same "hit" sampled over and over again. Also, the volume moderation (I don't know any proper technical terms) is really lazy. Sometimes when there are a few snare hits after each other in a fill or something, the hits all sound identical in both sound and volume.

It is a completely unfathomable mystery to me how a band with DT's resources and experience can produce something that amateur-sounding. Actually, it is even rare to come across amateurs with drum production that lazy.

But what if MM is actually talented enough to hit the snare at almost the same velocity and same position in the drum for short spurts or rolls to maintain a consistent sound? I remember that he made  a big deal about it in some interviews. For example:

“My challenge was keeping the velocities extremely high – if I hit one hit light in the middle of a run, it got lost. And to me it wasn’t light, because I could hear it perfectly fine. But with the recording software we use today, if it’s just a couple of dBs shy, it’s no good.”

I think the snare could definitely improve, but not about the hits sounding even because it can be done. Music school actually emphasizes evenness of hits as part of the discipline.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on January 29, 2015, 02:03:24 AM
Was the awful DT12 snare a result of the drum itself or the production?
It has little to do with the drum itself, with proper setup and production, even a 'cheap' snare can sound great (conversely, a hi-end, top of the line snare can be made to sound like a tin can, as it so often happens). I'd say tuning is the most crucial factor when it comes to the DT12 snare. It was tuned really low, thus it doesn't have the crispness and crack that snare drums usually do. It was also muffled a lot, so it's really dry, with a short attack, no ringing and no overtones. Overall, I don't have much of a problem with it, but it's kind of dull, in the end. A really nice example of a crisp, organic and lively snare (with some pleasant overtones and lots of dynamics) is the FII snare, it's especially conspicuous at the beginning of Trial of Tears. I'm really hoping for a FII sounding album next time around.

Also, the volume moderation (I don't know any proper technical terms)
Dynamics. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 29, 2015, 02:32:32 AM
Just checked out 'The Shattered Fortress' from BtFW, and yeah, that snare is great. I hope they use something like that for the new album.

Although, I sincerely hope JP doesn't use that mess of a guitar tone. Those lower notes are basically indistinguishable.

Yeah. Give me BTFW's drums and Train Of Thought's guitar, along with audible non-muddy bass and...well, I can't say I've ever really had issues with how Jordan's been produced.

Yeah, I also hope for a better drums sound this time around. I've had my opinions of Mike Portnoy but one thing I always thought he brought to the table was GREAT sounding drums, at least from Awake and forward. Always really clear, massive and you can hear every little nuance in his playing.

Not so much with Mike Mangini. A lot of the brilliant things he's doing gets lost and I can only hear them if I'm really trying to listen for it.

Couple things here:

Agreed, MP generally sounded good. Every now and then, he'd have something off on an album (the ACOS snare is too thin, sometimes the kicks had too many overtones), but the clarity and nuances were quite clear. One of the very few drummers who I can immediately pick out, just on cymbal sound alone. The only drawback with MP's sound was the toms, which always seemed a little...punchless? Maybe that's not the right word. They always came off a bit trebly and muffled to me compared to the kick and snare. But I'm guessing that's more a matter of taste than oversight on his part, especially given how consistent that sound was.

The second thing, of course, is that a big difference between MP and MM is that MP produced while MM didn't. Part of the reason you can hear every nuance in MP's playing is that his production was designed to bring out those nuances. With all due respect to JP and Chycki, it's hard to imagine MM's parts are given the same scrutiny on the production side. When they finally got it right on BTFW, I don't think Mangini's any less clear than Portnoy. If anything, he's clearer, I'd think, though I'd have to do a side-by-side comparison to stand behind that claim with authority.

Was the awful DT12 snare a result of the drum itself or the production?
It has little to do with the drum itself, with proper setup and production, even a 'cheap' snare can sound great (conversely, a hi-end, top of the line snare can be made to sound like a tin can, as it so often happens). I'd say tuning is the most crucial factor when it comes to the DT12 snare. It was tuned really low, thus it doesn't have the crispness and crack that snare drums usually do. It was also muffled a lot, so it's really dry, with a short attack, no ringing and no overtones. Overall, I don't have much of a problem with it, but it's kind of dull, in the end. A really nice example of a crisp, organic and lively snare (with some pleasant overtones and lots of dynamics) is the FII snare, it's especially conspicuous at the beginning of Trial of Tears. I'm really hoping for a FII sounding album next time around.

Thanks for clarifying--this was basically what I thought but I wasn't fully sure. So clearly it's more a production thing than an equipment (or even playing) thing--hence the massive sound difference between BTFW and ADTOE/LALP/DT. So overall, to place the blame on Mangini for the sound issues with the drums on the two studio albums, while not completely erroneous, seems to be a significant overreach at the least. And I do like the FII snare as well. MP also had good snare sound on Awake and from ToT through his exit. It got a bit dry in the SFAM-SDOIT era and ACOS was an odd misstep, but otherwise (I&W samples disregarded, since that's not really him), he was pretty consistent with the snare. Not my favorite snare sound by any stretch, but comfortably above average.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on January 29, 2015, 02:58:31 AM
I am not that fond of the Systematic Chaos drum sound. Awake and FII are tops for me. ToT is also good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 29, 2015, 03:32:00 AM
But what if MM is actually talented enough to hit the snare at almost the same velocity and same position in the drum for short spurts or rolls to maintain a consistent sound? I remember that he made  a big deal about it in some interviews. For example:

“My challenge was keeping the velocities extremely high – if I hit one hit light in the middle of a run, it got lost. And to me it wasn’t light, because I could hear it perfectly fine. But with the recording software we use today, if it’s just a couple of dBs shy, it’s no good.”

I think the snare could definitely improve, but not about the hits sounding even because it can be done. Music school actually emphasizes evenness of hits as part of the discipline.

Evenness is fine. I would emphasize that too in playing any sort of beat. But when doing a fill or roll of sorts I think some moderation is necessary. Otherwise it sounds like a drum machine, and it just comes off stale. By what I have heard from Mangini on the albums so far, he is the worlds greatest drum machine, but doesn't have the "emotion" that is there on previous DT records.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on January 29, 2015, 03:35:06 AM
Agreed, MP generally sounded good. Every now and then, he'd have something off on an album (the ACOS snare is too thin, sometimes the kicks had too many overtones), but the clarity and nuances were quite clear. One of the very few drummers who I can immediately pick out, just on cymbal sound alone. The only drawback with MP's sound was the toms, which always seemed a little...punchless? Maybe that's not the right word. They always came off a bit trebly and muffled to me compared to the kick and snare. But I'm guessing that's more a matter of taste than oversight on his part, especially given how consistent that sound was.

MP also had good snare sound on Awake and from ToT through his exit. It got a bit dry in the SFAM-SDOIT era and ACOS was an odd misstep, but otherwise (I&W samples disregarded, since that's not really him), he was pretty consistent with the snare. Not my favorite snare sound by any stretch, but comfortably above average.
I pretty much dead-on agree with your assessments of DT's drum sound. I wrote a more in-depth analysis about this a while back, if you haven't seen it: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41497.0

Out of curiosity, what are some of your overall favorite drum sounds/snare sounds ever?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 29, 2015, 05:36:09 AM
I think Metallica's Black Album, Load and Reload, Garage Inc all have fantastic drum sounds.

The drums on Troublegum by Therapy?  :metal

Alan's kit on Whats The Story Morning Glory  :coolio



...Ooh and Nevermind by Nirvana of course. DAT DRUM SOUND.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on January 29, 2015, 05:49:59 AM
Eric Carr on "Creatures Of The Night" by Kiss (1982). Huge drum sound, not just the snare.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on January 29, 2015, 07:30:59 AM
Just checked out 'The Shattered Fortress' from BtFW, and yeah, that snare is great. I hope they use something like that for the new album.

Although, I sincerely hope JP doesn't use that mess of a guitar tone. Those lower notes are basically indistinguishable.
Oh yeah, that's probably JP's worst (7-string) tooone ever...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 29, 2015, 07:46:56 AM
But what if MM is actually talented enough to hit the snare at almost the same velocity and same position in the drum for short spurts or rolls to maintain a consistent sound? I remember that he made  a big deal about it in some interviews. For example:

“My challenge was keeping the velocities extremely high – if I hit one hit light in the middle of a run, it got lost. And to me it wasn’t light, because I could hear it perfectly fine. But with the recording software we use today, if it’s just a couple of dBs shy, it’s no good.”

I think the snare could definitely improve, but not about the hits sounding even because it can be done. Music school actually emphasizes evenness of hits as part of the discipline.

Evenness is fine. I would emphasize that too in playing any sort of beat. But when doing a fill or roll of sorts I think some moderation is necessary. Otherwise it sounds like a drum machine, and it just comes off stale. By what I have heard from Mangini on the albums so far, he is the worlds greatest drum machine, but doesn't have the "emotion" that is there on previous DT records.

This indeed. When they emphasize evenness in drumming classes, they are trying to combat beginners' habit of sometimes hitting the drum really hard, and the next barely audible.
However, when you overdo evenness, with a combination of technique and compression, you end up with the drum computer sound on DT12.
I'd also make the comment of, *what if* this was due to MM's crazy skill of being so even? While that might get you another trophy of "world's most consistent drummer" right next to the "world's fastest drummer", it simply isn't desirable in a musical sense.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 29, 2015, 10:39:21 AM
Agreed, MP generally sounded good. Every now and then, he'd have something off on an album (the ACOS snare is too thin, sometimes the kicks had too many overtones), but the clarity and nuances were quite clear. One of the very few drummers who I can immediately pick out, just on cymbal sound alone. The only drawback with MP's sound was the toms, which always seemed a little...punchless? Maybe that's not the right word. They always came off a bit trebly and muffled to me compared to the kick and snare. But I'm guessing that's more a matter of taste than oversight on his part, especially given how consistent that sound was.

MP also had good snare sound on Awake and from ToT through his exit. It got a bit dry in the SFAM-SDOIT era and ACOS was an odd misstep, but otherwise (I&W samples disregarded, since that's not really him), he was pretty consistent with the snare. Not my favorite snare sound by any stretch, but comfortably above average.
I pretty much dead-on agree with your assessments of DT's drum sound. I wrote a more in-depth analysis about this a while back, if you haven't seen it: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41497.0

Out of curiosity, what are some of your overall favorite drum sounds/snare sounds ever?

Generally I like very big-sounding drums in the '80s tradition. The first two Steelheart albums have some of the most gloriously over-the-top snare/tom sounds I've ever heard. On a less extreme note, a lot of the Scandinavian bands (Nightwish, Children of Bodom, etc.) tend to have some excellent snares and toms.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on January 29, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
Eric Carr on "Creatures Of The Night" by Kiss (1982). Huge drum sound, not just the snare.

Yeah that was a monster sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 29, 2015, 03:49:44 PM
I think Metallica's Black Album, Load and Reload, Garage Inc all have fantastic drum sounds.

The drums on Troublegum by Therapy?  :metal

Alan's kit on Whats The Story Morning Glory  :coolio



...Ooh and Nevermind by Nirvana of course. DAT DRUM SOUND.

I think that the snare sound on The Black Album is one of the best sounding drums ever recorded.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on January 29, 2015, 07:35:36 PM
But what if MM is actually talented enough to hit the snare at almost the same velocity and same position in the drum for short spurts or rolls to maintain a consistent sound? I remember that he made  a big deal about it in some interviews. For example:

“My challenge was keeping the velocities extremely high – if I hit one hit light in the middle of a run, it got lost. And to me it wasn’t light, because I could hear it perfectly fine. But with the recording software we use today, if it’s just a couple of dBs shy, it’s no good.”

I think the snare could definitely improve, but not about the hits sounding even because it can be done. Music school actually emphasizes evenness of hits as part of the discipline.

Evenness is fine. I would emphasize that too in playing any sort of beat. But when doing a fill or roll of sorts I think some moderation is necessary. Otherwise it sounds like a drum machine, and it just comes off stale. By what I have heard from Mangini on the albums so far, he is the worlds greatest drum machine, but doesn't have the "emotion" that is there on previous DT records.

This indeed. When they emphasize evenness in drumming classes, they are trying to combat beginners' habit of sometimes hitting the drum really hard, and the next barely audible.
However, when you overdo evenness, with a combination of technique and compression, you end up with the drum computer sound on DT12.
I'd also make the comment of, *what if* this was due to MM's crazy skill of being so even? While that might get you another trophy of "world's most consistent drummer" right next to the "world's fastest drummer", it simply isn't desirable in a musical sense.

Which is a matter of taste. It's like not wanting slow mo reviews in baseball to retain the "human" element, whatever that means.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on January 29, 2015, 09:40:19 PM
But what if MM is actually talented enough to hit the snare at almost the same velocity and same position in the drum for short spurts or rolls to maintain a consistent sound? I remember that he made  a big deal about it in some interviews. For example:

“My challenge was keeping the velocities extremely high – if I hit one hit light in the middle of a run, it got lost. And to me it wasn’t light, because I could hear it perfectly fine. But with the recording software we use today, if it’s just a couple of dBs shy, it’s no good.”

I think the snare could definitely improve, but not about the hits sounding even because it can be done. Music school actually emphasizes evenness of hits as part of the discipline.

Evenness is fine. I would emphasize that too in playing any sort of beat. But when doing a fill or roll of sorts I think some moderation is necessary. Otherwise it sounds like a drum machine, and it just comes off stale. By what I have heard from Mangini on the albums so far, he is the worlds greatest drum machine, but doesn't have the "emotion" that is there on previous DT records.

This indeed. When they emphasize evenness in drumming classes, they are trying to combat beginners' habit of sometimes hitting the drum really hard, and the next barely audible.
However, when you overdo evenness, with a combination of technique and compression, you end up with the drum computer sound on DT12.
I'd also make the comment of, *what if* this was due to MM's crazy skill of being so even? While that might get you another trophy of "world's most consistent drummer" right next to the "world's fastest drummer", it simply isn't desirable in a musical sense.

Which is a matter of taste. It's like not wanting slow mo reviews in baseball to retain the "human" element, whatever that means.

Sort of. In the case of baseball, there's a definite "right call" and "wrong call." In music, there's not so much of a "right thing" vs. "wrong thing." There are two major things to consider when it comes to "wrong" playing (uneven drums, missed notes, etc.). First off, the tradition of music doesn't have too many examples of people who get everything perfect every time. Even musicians as world-class as the ones in DT miss things all the time, to say nothing of the standard rock bands or what not. So along comes someone who does sound "perfect," and it's a bit jarring. That's why most people don't like the I&W triggers, either. They may be perfectly even, but they don't reflect what it actually sounds like to hear music. Taken to a further extreme, this is one of the (many) reasons that autotune sucks.

Second, and on a related note, there is a certain catharsis that gets induced by playing that is in that tight "imperfect but still good range." The most obvious example of this in modern DT is James' live singing. There are plenty of spots where he's just off and it doesn't sound good, but there are also a ton where he manages to pull off a tough section, and you can feel the effort he's putting in in a way that you simply don't when you listen to I&W. Drumming can work the same way--as long as the section is ultimately sound, sometimes having tiny imperfections in there gives it more character and propulsion.

Of course, if a given listener can find a way to get a mental handle on the more mechanical playing and get the same emotional stimulation from it, they're entitled to it. If anything, I personally tend toward that, given my preference for more of the '80s style snare. My second favorite album is Crimson Glory's Transcendence, which uses a drum machine, after all. But the preference for "imperfect" playing definitely isn't as hard to understand (or anywhere near as wrongheaded) as the instant replay haters.

I still don't think Mangini's studio sound issues have much to do with him being "too perfect," though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on January 29, 2015, 10:15:42 PM
I still don't think Mangini's studio sound issues have much to do with him being "too perfect," though.

I agree. Here is an example of MM going "drum machine mode" and sounding good. I hope he does something like this in the next album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWhqGPKfqvA
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on January 30, 2015, 06:27:32 AM
Just FYI, he doesn't play all that you hear in that video. Pretty sure the conga thing is still a backing track that runs the whole way through.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: puppyonacid on January 30, 2015, 08:53:39 AM
Yea that's true. It's one of Nunos earlier pieces that he wrote with a sequenced drum track.

In that vid MM is just kind of jamming along with that backing track

Still cool though. As an aside, Midnight Express is one on the most badass (and tricky to play properly!) acoustic pieces I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on January 30, 2015, 09:23:55 AM
I love the drum sound of the "In from the storm" version of "The wind cries Mary" with Vinnie Colaiuta.

And the full Greg Howe's "Introspection" CD with Kevin Soffera on drums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: MarkFitDT on January 30, 2015, 10:00:29 AM
I still don't think Mangini's studio sound issues have much to do with him being "too perfect," though.

I agree. Here is an example of MM going "drum machine mode" and sounding good. I hope he does something like this in the next album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWhqGPKfqvA

thanks for that. Never seen that before. Mangini is amazing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on January 30, 2015, 10:21:35 AM
This afternoon, I got that little buzz of excitement about this new album cycle, and all the buildup that is ahead of us over the coming months. All the announcements that will come, like the title, tracklist, release date, and the first track release.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 30, 2015, 10:23:45 AM
I've always enjoyed the mix in Neal Morse's releases. Very 'fair' to each instrument and no matter what his projects always sound good. It'd be cool if he did the mix for DT's next album....I know it won't happend but I bet it'd sound good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Laughingplace56 on January 30, 2015, 08:17:26 PM
I LOVE the way Periphery mixes their albums. PII and Juggernaut are mixed absolutely perfectly imo. I'd love a mix like those albums. Maybe they could ask Nolly to do it  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on January 31, 2015, 12:53:40 AM
I LOVE the way Periphery mixes their albums. PII and Juggernaut are mixed absolutely perfectly imo. I'd love a mix like those albums. Maybe they could ask Nolly to do it  :lol

While I absolutely agree, those albums sound fantastic, especially Juggernaut. I don't think it's the right style for DT. Too raw.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dellers on January 31, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
I just hope they can get Jens Bogren to mix it. I haven't really liked any of the mixes from the last decade. Such a shame that a band with some of the most talented musicians in the world never sounds as good as far less known bands.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: tofee35 on January 31, 2015, 11:22:59 AM
I think I'm late to the party, but..

I think MM's evenness and robotic sound has everything to do with his accent (and flam) placement and stick velocity choices. In other words, he doesn't accent during rolls or change how hard he hits the drums while he's rolling. He chooses to have a more even sound. MP, in contrast, accented and flam'd all over the place.

-Tof
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2015, 11:39:11 AM
I think I'm late to the party, but..

I think MM's evenness and robotic sound has everything to do with his accent (and flam) placement and stick velocity choices. In other words, he doesn't accent during rolls or change how hard he hits the drums while he's rolling. He chooses to have a more even sound. MP, in contrast, accented and flam'd all over the place.

-Tof


I've always thought that being taught how to play something "properly" takes away your creativity and individuality.

After a few months on my music degree I could only think in theory and scales when I was writing and I wanted to get away from that.

But then again - Mangini's goal wa always to be as technically proficient as he could - so it's a case by case thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on January 31, 2015, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: Dellers link=topic=43071.msg1917482#msg1917482 date= :hefdaddy
I just hope they can get Jens Bogren to mix it. I haven't really liked any of the mixes from the last decade. Such a shame that a band with some of the most talented musicians in the world never sounds as good as far less known bands.

While I actually agree, I think Jens really should mix it but he shouldn't compress the sound too much.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on January 31, 2015, 12:33:28 PM
I think I'm late to the party, but..

I think MM's evenness and robotic sound has everything to do with his accent (and flam) placement and stick velocity choices. In other words, he doesn't accent during rolls or change how hard he hits the drums while he's rolling. He chooses to have a more even sound. MP, in contrast, accented and flam'd all over the place.

-Tof

I agree and it's part of the reason why I prefer Portnoy. Mangini is an incredible drummer, but the evenness of his hits makes for less dynamic and engaging drumming. MP has an incredible gift for knowing exactly which hits to accent to enhance his drum parts and in turn the whole song. His flams in the second verse of Trial of Tears really hit you in the face and make that whole section better. MM's playing while technically astounding is also too perfect at times. I feel like I'm listening to a drum machine sometimes and that's not always enjoyable. I could listen to Portnoy's drum parts without any other instrumentation and still enjoy it because his playing is so musical. I can't do that with Mangini's parts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on February 01, 2015, 06:45:46 AM
Jordan posted this video of him playing the Continuum wiith its internal sounds yesterday: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152726256062989

I think it sounds pretty cool and I'd love to hear something like that on the next album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 01, 2015, 06:48:59 AM
So would I. But I think that every single time I see a video of him playing outside of DT...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on February 01, 2015, 06:50:14 AM
Jordan posted this video of him playing the Continuum wiith its internal sounds yesterday: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152726256062989

I think it sounds pretty cool and I'd love to hear something like that on the next album.
Yeah, it's cool and the sound has plenty of character and uniqueness. A lot of times, it reminds me of the Mellotron (w/o all the bending, of course), but the thing definitely has a sound of its own.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 01, 2015, 06:57:11 AM
I'm sure Jordan has a trillion sounds he can call upon across all his keyboards and rack units.

Didn't they say that they spent a couple of hours on each song for DT12 going through all of his sounds to find the best one ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 01, 2015, 10:18:31 AM
Here's hoping for excellent tones from all instruments, especially MM.

Loved JP's tone on DT12, hope he keeps that  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on February 01, 2015, 01:01:56 PM
So would I. But I think that every single time I see a video of him playing outside of DT...

For many years, I disagreed with this stance, because I found a lot of the "JR sections" to be out of place in DT and stall the flow. Having gotten more into LTE and his solo albums recently, though, I've come around. Not that I suddenly want DT's sound to be driven by JR rather than JP, but the problem is that JR only seems to get these occasional parts where his influence comes through, and they're so identifiable and different that they don't fit. If he could be incorporated more organically in places, or better yet, if he could be the "main driver" of at least one song, I think the music would be better for it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 01, 2015, 01:37:27 PM
Also, LMR shows JR can integrate his ideas very well into someone else's songwriting, provided he gets the space.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jonny108 on February 02, 2015, 11:49:47 AM
Mike Mangini Facebook:

Congratulations to the New England Patriots !! That game lived up to the hype. Now, it is on to the studio tomorrow to set up to be sure DT's next album also delivers !!

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 02, 2015, 12:45:18 PM
If the album turns out like the game, I'd like to get out of this 'life' thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 02, 2015, 12:46:31 PM
 :rollin DETH PLZ COZ LOST GAME
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 02, 2015, 12:49:25 PM
KIL MZ NAO FOOL
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on February 03, 2015, 10:12:14 AM
Mike Mangini Facebook:

Congratulations to the New England Patriots !! That game lived up to the hype. Now, it is on to the studio tomorrow to set up to be sure DT's next album also delivers !!

I'm cool with that, as long as they don't use it for inspiration.

Then again, a song about that controversial pass play/interception would be pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 03, 2015, 10:34:14 AM
^ They could just do a cover of 'The Rains of Castamere' and it would pretty much sum up the mood of those final moments.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 03, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
Mike Mangini Facebook:

Congratulations to the New England Patriots !! That game lived up to the hype. Now, it is on to the studio tomorrow to set up to be sure DT's next album also delivers !!

I'm cool with that, as long as they don't use it for inspiration.

Then again, a song about that controversial pass play/interception would be pretty awesome.

There will be a gloomy, hopeless sounding song called Cheaters Always Prosper. (sorry, bitter Jet fan here).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 03, 2015, 11:17:25 AM
It's February. Is the album done yet?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mike099 on February 03, 2015, 11:29:51 AM
^ They could just do a cover of 'The Rains of Castamere' and it would pretty much sum up the mood of those final moments.

Or Systematic Chaos 2
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on February 03, 2015, 11:39:08 AM
It's February. Is the album done yet?

no
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 03, 2015, 12:10:03 PM
It's February. Is the album done yet?

no

You're so negative.   ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 03, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Tomorrow then?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 03, 2015, 12:36:42 PM
Tomorrow then?

That's the spirit!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 03, 2015, 01:05:36 PM
:soon:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mladen on February 03, 2015, 01:52:55 PM
Every time when I open one of these topics, I wonder how in the world do we ever make it to the release date. They're not even in the studio yet, and we're already going crazy.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 03, 2015, 02:20:35 PM
I predict that 3:20 - 4:00 on track 4 will blow our minds.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 03, 2015, 02:25:13 PM
But yeah, I really hope they show some stuff from the studio. Like, SW's videos made me super-excited about his new album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Letter M on February 03, 2015, 02:30:48 PM
I predict that 3:20 - 4:00 on track 4 will blow our minds.

You assume that the album will have more than 3 tracks. ;)

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 03, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
But yeah, I really hope they show some stuff from the studio. Like, SW's videos made me super-excited about his new album.

I'm really hoping for that, too. I love those production videos with the band in the studio goofing off and getting little hints as to what the album might sound like.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 03, 2015, 02:43:27 PM
Jordan should jot some bullshit down on sheet and "accidentally" us see it in a video. Then they can laugh their asses off as we try ti decipher it. .. .. . ..  . . .
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on February 03, 2015, 03:33:08 PM
:soon:

How do you use this smiley? just by writing "soon" ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 03, 2015, 03:50:51 PM
I think you do : soon : without the spaces in between.  Like this.

:soon:.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on February 03, 2015, 03:56:23 PM
I predict the guitar/keyboard unison at 68:52 of track 1 will rock!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on February 03, 2015, 03:59:51 PM
I think you do : soon : without the spaces in between.  Like this.

:soon:.

Thanks. I just didn't see it on the smileys above.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 03, 2015, 04:02:36 PM
:soon:

How do you use this smiley? just by writing "soon" ?

All you need to do to see what is used is click like you're going to quote his message and the text used for the icon will be there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 03, 2015, 04:10:38 PM
I think you do : soon : without the spaces in between.  Like this.

:soon:.

Thanks. I just didn't see it on the smileys above.

There are many, many, many emotes not shown. You have begun an incredible journey of discovery and wonderment.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 03, 2015, 04:17:19 PM
I think you do : soon : without the spaces in between.  Like this.

:soon:.

Thanks. I just didn't see it on the smileys above.


There are many, many, many emotes not shown. You have begun an incredible journey of discovery and wonderment.


And most I never jotted down.  What the hell is wrong with me?! :lol

:king:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 03, 2015, 05:22:14 PM
I predict that 3:20 - 4:00 on track 4 will blow our minds.

 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 03, 2015, 06:06:50 PM
I think you do : soon : without the spaces in between.  Like this.

:soon:.

Thanks. I just didn't see it on the smileys above.


There are many, many, many emotes not shown. You have begun an incredible journey of discovery and wonderment.


And most I never jotted down.  What the hell is wrong with me?! :lol

:king:

:JayOctavarium:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: metrojam on February 04, 2015, 05:47:21 AM
All I hope for is that whatever style/sound/inspiration that they go for, the quality of the album is streets ahead of that i.m.o. "career low point" last album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on February 04, 2015, 06:37:46 AM
I think you do : soon : without the spaces in between.  Like this.

:soon:.

Thanks. I just didn't see it on the smileys above.


There are many, many, many emotes not shown. You have begun an incredible journey of discovery and wonderment.


And most I never jotted down.  What the hell is wrong with me?! :lol

:king:

:JayOctavarium:

:rant:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 04, 2015, 07:09:33 AM
:kotowboy:











:emo:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 04, 2015, 07:33:48 AM
:progsnob:


Well I've always been know to be a flirt.   :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 04, 2015, 08:15:35 AM
All I hope for is that whatever style/sound/inspiration that they go for, the quality of the album is streets ahead of that i.m.o. "career low point" last album.

Career low point.  :loser:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on February 04, 2015, 11:29:58 AM
:progsnob:


Well I've always been know to be a flirt.   :lol

For the life of me, I have no recollection whatsoever for how that one came to be associated with you.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on February 04, 2015, 11:34:45 AM
I ran a forum search for ": progsnob :" (without the spaces)... This is the third time it's been used. Both the preceding times were you, bosk, with very little explanation or context given...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 04, 2015, 11:36:15 AM
Forum search is notoriously inefficient, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on February 04, 2015, 11:38:07 AM
Eh. I still thought it would be interesting to see the results.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 04, 2015, 12:10:39 PM
Forum search is notoriously inefficient, though.

I honestly use Google when I need to search something in this forum.  I just type whatever key word I want along with site:dreamtheaterforums.org and I get what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 04, 2015, 12:22:35 PM
:progsnob:


Well I've always been know to be a flirt.   :lol

For the life of me, I have no recollection whatsoever for how that one came to be associated with you.  :lol

Me neither, to be completely honest.   :lol    I'm too lazy to go back and look.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 04, 2015, 12:35:13 PM
I want my own emote!!!! :yj: :ytsejam: :ytsejamittaja: :bosky: :ariich: :adami: :zydar: :weymolith:


:lucien:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Podaar on February 04, 2015, 12:39:36 PM
That would totally :jingleboy:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on February 04, 2015, 12:41:31 PM
I want my own emote!!!! :yj: :ytsejam: :ytsejamittaja: :bosky: :ariich: :adami: :zydar: :weymolith:


:lucien:

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 04, 2015, 12:46:50 PM
(https://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/ToxicTampons1_zpsf51c1db1.gif)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 04, 2015, 12:50:14 PM
:natalie

:natalie:

:NataliePortman

:NataliePortman:



(a guy can dream...)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on February 04, 2015, 01:07:43 PM
No, we already have a Natalie Portman emoticon.  :cow:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 04, 2015, 01:12:09 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 04, 2015, 01:33:27 PM
deja vu
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 04, 2015, 01:37:41 PM
SO HOW ABOUT THAT NEW DREAM THEATER STUDIO ALBUM EH GUYS
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 04, 2015, 01:45:21 PM
Dream whata?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 04, 2015, 01:46:12 PM
It's taking soooooo long.   
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 04, 2015, 02:04:10 PM
I assume they are recording in the same studio as the last two albums?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 04, 2015, 02:29:31 PM
RIFF Tracks
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 04, 2015, 03:12:31 PM
Beartracks? Right?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 04, 2015, 03:21:12 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 04, 2015, 06:54:06 PM
I want my own emote!!!! :yj: :ytsejam: :ytsejamittaja: :bosky: :ariich: :adami: :zydar: :weymolith:


:lucien:

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/DTF/emotes.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 04, 2015, 06:59:21 PM
 :lol

Classic!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on February 05, 2015, 02:41:40 AM
Haha, cool, that's like DTF's own "All your base are belong to us!"
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 05, 2015, 04:40:09 AM
 :lol

"Dear bosk, i do i get my own emote?"
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Implode on February 05, 2015, 03:57:31 PM
You can also make your own. :implode:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on February 06, 2015, 12:25:08 AM
Has the band posted any pics yet from the studio?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Moor on February 06, 2015, 02:50:08 AM
No...unless there are sources to check other than DT/JP/JR/JLB and MM's twitter and FB.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Moor on February 06, 2015, 02:54:25 AM
As for JM...don't even bother   :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on February 06, 2015, 12:56:25 PM
As for JM...don't even bother   :)

Wonder what it'd be like to look at the DT studio process from his perspective.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on February 06, 2015, 01:00:50 PM
As for JM...don't even bother   :)

He has Twitter:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16833.0
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 06, 2015, 01:02:04 PM
True, true.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 08, 2015, 12:03:04 AM
Has the band posted any pics yet from the studio?

So....are we taking bets on which member will post the first photo update?  video update?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 08, 2015, 01:52:54 AM
Has the band posted any pics yet from the studio?

So....are we taking bets on which member will post the first photo update?  video update?

JP - photo
JR - video
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jammindude on February 08, 2015, 01:54:32 AM
Nope....the first video will be from a long silent JLB....in character as "the pirate"...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: AngelBack on February 08, 2015, 12:52:39 PM
Has the band posted any pics yet from the studio?


Soon.......too soon?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on February 08, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
Has the band posted any pics yet from the studio?

So....are we taking bets on which member will post the first photo update?  video update?

JM to all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 08, 2015, 03:17:46 PM
I'm guessing Rudess will update first.

He always seems to be the most active on social media.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 08, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
I'm guessing Rudess will update first.

He always seems to be the most active on social media.

I was thinking JR also.  I'm stalking all of their pages so it's Only A Matter of Time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Podaar on February 09, 2015, 06:54:42 AM
Jordan posted the word scenes on his facebook, Jordan posted "scenes", Jordan posted "scenes"!1!!!1

:panicattack:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 09, 2015, 07:07:18 AM
...and?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 09, 2015, 07:36:59 AM
More like "Scenes From my Practice" but I will not crush anyones dreams, so plz continue!  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: AngelBack on February 09, 2015, 09:01:26 AM
Jordan is a smart man and he know DTF is now the official DT fan board.  No way he throws that word around without knowing we are scrutinizing every post, tweet and photo.  He may has well announced SFAM Pt 2.  Yes it is 100% gonna happen. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 09, 2015, 09:03:30 AM
If they're taking note of DTF, they'll probably feel inclined to name the next album "Clutching at  Straws".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on February 09, 2015, 09:05:48 AM
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: AngelBack on February 09, 2015, 09:06:57 AM
If they're taking note of DTF, they'll probably feel inclined to name the next album "Clutching at  Straws".

 :biggrin:  Gotta FAN the flames....gonna be a long wait.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: MarkFitDT on February 09, 2015, 10:18:37 AM
If they're taking note of DTF, they'll probably feel inclined to name the next album "Clutching at  Straws".

wouldn't that have to be part 2 as well seeing as Marillion did the first one?!  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 09, 2015, 10:21:02 AM
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.

Never heard of it. Oh well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 09, 2015, 10:25:30 AM
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.

Never heard of it. Oh well.

They should write Scarred Part 2: Blob's Bane
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 09, 2015, 10:27:44 AM
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.

Never heard of it. Oh well.

What am I going to do with you Blob? :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 09, 2015, 10:33:49 AM
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.

Never heard of it. Oh well.

What am I going to do with you Blob? :lol


 :lol

I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 09, 2015, 11:01:03 AM
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.

Never heard of it. Oh well.

What am I going to do with you Blob? :lol

Nothing, and you know it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on February 09, 2015, 11:21:56 AM
They should just get it over with.  Just tell us you're in the studio and can't say anymore.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 09, 2015, 11:50:11 AM
Then people will draw parallels to the Marillion album by the same name.

Never heard of it. Oh well.

What am I going to do with you Blob? :lol

Nothing, and you know it!

CYBER THREAT!!!


Ah, he's to lazy to get me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on February 10, 2015, 05:11:18 PM
NEW MEWZEK NAO
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Edergilmour on February 12, 2015, 05:32:28 AM
"I'll be in studio mode with DT until I do a two week tour for UK's FINAL Tour for the 2nd half of April." Mangini said it!  ;D

At least now we know until when they will be working in the studio. haha
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 12, 2015, 06:17:36 AM
Not even a photo at this point?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: paulstfu on February 12, 2015, 07:24:00 AM
It has been almost two weeks since the MM's post about entering the studio.  ???
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 12, 2015, 07:52:51 AM
It has been almost two weeks since the MM's post about entering the studio.  ???

They're probably still setting up his kit. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 12, 2015, 08:13:23 AM
:clap:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on February 12, 2015, 08:34:33 AM
"I'll be in studio mode with DT until I do a two week tour for UK's FINAL Tour for the 2nd half of April." Mangini said it!  ;D

At least now we know until when they will be working in the studio. haha
Are we thinking they will be done with recording by the end of April then?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 12, 2015, 08:39:48 AM
What is the UKs final tour ? Is that the final leg of the DT12 promo ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BelichickFan on February 12, 2015, 08:54:02 AM
I love all the video teases of the recording process but it would be kind of cool in a month or so for them to have not said a word and just announce "we're done".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 12, 2015, 09:19:35 AM
I love all the video teases of the recording process but it would be kind of cool in a month or so for them to have not said a word and just announce "we're done".

pls not one month

fans will go all like 'IT'S LIKE TOT ALL OVER AGAIN THEY DON'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME WRITING THAT'S WHERE THE CIRCUS MUSIC BITS COME FROM WTF JORDAN MANGINI DRUM SOUND SUCKS'
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on February 12, 2015, 09:20:12 AM
What is the UKs final tour ? Is that the final leg of the DT12 promo ?

UK Band

https://www.ukreunion.com/
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Podaar on February 12, 2015, 09:27:08 AM
Does that mean that MM will be filling in for Virgil during the U.S. east coast leg or something?  ???
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BelichickFan on February 12, 2015, 09:35:01 AM
pls not one month
fans will go all like 'IT'S LIKE TOT ALL OVER AGAIN THEY DON'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME WRITING THAT'S WHERE THE CIRCUS MUSIC BITS COME FROM WTF JORDAN MANGINI DRUM SOUND SUCKS'
However long.  I have a feeling this one may go quickly, though.  Just a gut feeling based on the schedules and the quote from, I think, James, about knowing what they're going to record.  I may have read WAY too much into that but I'm going with it.

Regardless of the length I think it would be cool to not leak a word and just announce that it's done.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 12, 2015, 09:51:09 AM
Yeah, I don't actually mind how much time they spend writing a record as long as the result is good. That being said, this time I'd like something more...adventurous. With A Dramatic Turn of Events (still an amazing album) they had the 'with Portnoy gone, we need to prove our fandom that DT is still going strong'. With DT (still a good album), they had the 'now that we showed you that we're still here... well, we're still recording a progressive album with heavy and melodic elements. The DT sound, yo.' This time around, I'd love if they ventured deeper into experimental territory just like they did back in 2002.

Also, I really think it's time for a new concept album. 1999/2005 are way back in time now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BelichickFan on February 12, 2015, 09:58:06 AM
Yeah, I don't actually mind how much time they spend writing a record as long as the result is good. That being said, this time I'd like something more...adventurous.
I don't know what I want, I'm just confident that I'll like it.  My dream is DT's version of Tales from Topographic Oceans with three 20+ minute epics (I know Tales has 4 but this way it would fit on one CD).  But I really don't care, I have full confidence in the boys.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 12, 2015, 10:00:49 AM
That would be awesome, and something new for them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 12, 2015, 10:14:54 AM
I love all the video teases of the recording process but it would be kind of cool in a month or so for them to have not said a word and just announce "we're done".

I think that would be a cool approach for a band that is known for usually documenting their recording process. Sort of "this time we go into hiding, and will emerge with this gem". But, ever since MP left, the fan communication has (IMHO) suffered a great deal. Not doing any updates would just come across as ... meh.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Edergilmour on February 12, 2015, 10:42:14 AM
We can assume that the composing and at least the drum tracks will be done then.

quote author=Another_Won link=topic=43071.msg1922254#msg1922254 date=1423755273]
"I'll be in studio mode with DT until I do a two week tour for UK's FINAL Tour for the 2nd half of April." Mangini said it!  ;D

At least now we know until when they will be working in the studio. haha
Are we thinking they will be done with recording by the end of April then?
[/quote]

I'm really hoping for a concept album this time and I remember that after the release of DT12 they were asked in some interviews if it would happen... James said it would happen at some point, but in that same interview he said he was going to tour with his solo band, so... haha
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 12, 2015, 12:07:43 PM
And he also said we'd get more Ytsejam Records releases at some point.  So.... thanks James.   :lol     

All kidding aside, I am sure the drums will be done before Mike leaves.  If anything, and they need to redo a few drum tracks, I'm sure MP wouldn't mind helping out. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on February 12, 2015, 12:25:55 PM
Does that mean that MM will be filling in for Virgil during the U.S. east coast leg or something?  ???

Looks like he is.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 12, 2015, 12:31:56 PM
I don't want to say anything ... but look what happened last time when the drummer went on another band's tour....
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on February 12, 2015, 12:49:55 PM
I don't want to say anything ... but look what happened last time when the drummer went on another band's tour....

Yeah and btw, didn't JP say he should have thought twice before accepting? Well, probably nothing in there but still...

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: nikatapi on February 12, 2015, 03:11:17 PM
Well drums are the first that get recorded, so i guess MM can have a break from the studio having recorded his parts.
I wonder if the guys had some material prepared, since it seems a short period to write-record. It's not that they aren't able and that they haven't done it before, but it seems a little strange to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 12, 2015, 04:22:57 PM
I love all the video teases of the recording process but it would be kind of cool in a month or so for them to have not said a word and just announce "we're done".

I think that would be a cool approach for a band that is known for usually documenting their recording process. Sort of "this time we go into hiding, and will emerge with this gem". But, ever since MP left, the fan communication has (IMHO) suffered a great deal. Not doing any updates would just come across as ... meh.

Their 'DT Studio Diary' videos from the last album were really lackluster in that department.

You got four 1:30 videos of the guys saying 'we're inspired, we're better than ever, this is going to be DT to the max, chocolate cake, we have to prove ourselves to our fans', etc. and no actual new music or something that might hook you in. I agree that in their post MP era, DT hasn't lived much to their 'we're going to speak a lot to the fans' stance that they took in their first post-MP months.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on February 12, 2015, 04:35:54 PM
I agree that in their post MP era, DT hasn't lived much to their 'we're going to speak a lot to the fans' stance that they took in their first post-MP months.

I know.  Bummer.  They never talk to the fans at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8cLlXnHpA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNrsD2JF6Q8
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 12, 2015, 05:45:10 PM
Nobody is saying they don't do any communication. But since MP's departure it has become very "corporate", for lack of a better word. I actually unfriended DT on Facebook because 95% of the updates were just RR marketing messages, with no personality behind it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on February 12, 2015, 05:50:16 PM
I agree, and in all fairness, stuff like that probably isn't part of their nature, which is why none of them were doing in the first place.  Sure, they'll do the occasional this or that, like stuff bosk1 linked to, but did anybody really expect them to jump online and communicate with fans the way Portnoy did/does?  I would say that anybody who did was being totally unrealistic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on February 12, 2015, 05:56:48 PM
Nobody is saying they don't do any communication. But since MP's departure it has become very "corporate", for lack of a better word. I actually unfriended DT on Facebook because 95% of the updates were just RR marketing messages, with no personality behind it.

I know.  I don't disagree.  I'm just gently indirectly reminding that we are sort of spoiled as a fanbase, and even though it "ain't like it once was," the band still goes out of its way to do some really cool things that are above and beyond what most bands do.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 12, 2015, 05:58:19 PM
@Kev: Nah, I personally never did. I know a lot of people bought into every statement they made right after MP's departure, I.e. the communications, the continuation of YtseJam etc., but maybe because I've worked for the last 13 years in the corporate world, I knew that maybe 50% of those things wouldn't come to fruition. I also can't fault them; on one hand they likely had no idea how this would shake out in the long run, and on the other, soothing the fans' minds was more important at that time than being historically accurate in the long run.

That said, I think the let go of the reins too much. They lost the personability they used to have, IMO. And I also just can't imagine that out of the 5 guys that are in the band, there isn't a single one who wouldn't be up to the task of doing some band-fan communication.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 12, 2015, 06:19:05 PM
Maybe their "MO" this time is to record an album quickly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 12, 2015, 06:30:21 PM
That is one of the things I do miss about MP.  If the band farted a new tune out, he'd be sure to make sure it was recorded on CD, DVD, Bluray, and there would be a commentary track.  I'll admit I loved those DT commentary tracks on the live video releases.  I bought everything that MP offered from the band.  So in a way we were spoiled by MP because he really did make everything easily accessible, including the band themselves.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 12, 2015, 06:52:37 PM
Good thing that we never had access to those here in the Philippines, so all I get to care about is the music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 12, 2015, 09:27:54 PM
True, but I sometimes wonder how much MP did for the fans, without the rest of the band even knowing about it.

I miss the old fan interaction as much as everybody else, but you gotta admit that communication within the band is better now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ZKX-2099 on February 12, 2015, 11:50:31 PM
They gave a free double live album for X-mas.

Just feel I should state that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 13, 2015, 12:05:22 AM
We all realize the band has done things to try and keep the same level of interaction that MP would ensure was there.  However, I doubt anyone can argue that it has actually reached that level over the past couple of albums.  I'm not being spoiled as I can and will take anything I get graciously, I am just pointing out the simple fact of the matter.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 13, 2015, 01:35:55 AM
They gave a free double live album for X-mas.

Just feel I should state that.

Free album? We'd rather have livechats to show that they love us, fans!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2015, 05:02:52 AM
I am fine with the level of fan interaction the band has & with keeping us updated.


Better than Tool level where they do almost nothing for several years upon end with barely any updates except for some trolling newsletter written by a sniggering

webmaster.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mladen on February 13, 2015, 05:14:52 AM
I am fine with the level of fan interaction the band has & with keeping us updated.
Me too.

And I hate to do this, but I honestly think it's accurate - the fans got spoiled because of Mike Portnoy's communication with the fans. Don't take it for granted, people, be grateful.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on February 13, 2015, 07:00:13 AM
I am fine with the level of fan interaction the band has & with keeping us updated.
Me too.

And I hate to do this, but I honestly think it's accurate - the fans got spoiled because of Mike Portnoy's communication with the fans. Don't take it for granted, people, be grateful.

Everything is never enough...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: the_silent_man on February 13, 2015, 08:17:47 AM
I agree, DT are generally pretty good with fan interaction/updates. I wouldn't expect a studio update until early March. They've been in less than 2 weeks people!

It does concern me that they've boxed themselves in time-wise though and if they need extra time they should take it after the mini-tour and return to the studio. I'd rather a great album released early - mid 2016 then an ok one this year. And its the production that'll suffer most as they're usually mixing throughout this tour period...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: MajorBoobage on February 13, 2015, 09:03:38 AM
Doing studio work at home, but No DT Studio for me for days ago and days to come. It is all about snow management and kids home from school...again. I'm sure my fellow Bostonians have it bad too. Unbelievable !! And we're expecting another 18" where I am tomorrow ! On top of the over 7' high on one side of my house, that'll be a record setter that's hopefully never broken ! Our front yards on my street are 3-5' high solid blocks !! I suppose every place has something crazy: earthquakes, floods, tornado and hurricane rampages, drought, excessive heat, locusts and rain made of frogs and toads... we have snow. I have come up with some wicked cool, multi-polyrhythmic but groovy drum patterns and riffs though !!

Update from MM facebook
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 13, 2015, 09:11:03 AM
Now I'm officially confused. How do you write/record an album from home? I know Steven Wilson did that with Gavin Harrison for many PT albums, but that worked because SW had essentially written the complete songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 13, 2015, 09:18:26 AM
Now I'm officially confused. How do you write/record an album from home? I know Steven Wilson did that with Gavin Harrison for many PT albums, but that worked because SW had essentially written the complete songs.

He might be composing his parts based on the demos they've come up with, or practicing his parts. I wouldn't expect it's anything to do with recording.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Chino on February 13, 2015, 09:18:28 AM
Now I'm officially confused. How do you write/record an album from home? I know Steven Wilson did that with Gavin Harrison for many PT albums, but that worked because SW had essentially written the complete songs.

Well, if JP, JR, and JM came up with something funky, I suppose MM could write some drum stuff for it on his own.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 13, 2015, 09:44:29 AM
Probably somewhat overanalyzing this thing, but that means he's not gonna be directly involved in the songwriting process on this one either, doesn't it? "No DT studio for days ago and days to come". He can only be "reactive" in that scenario, not proactive, no?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Chino on February 13, 2015, 10:29:56 AM
There's got to be a music callaboration tool that allows bands to play over the internet together without lag.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on February 13, 2015, 10:34:59 AM
There's got to be a music callaboration tool that allows bands to play over the internet together without lag.

Not really, latency is always going to be there. It does take time for information over the internet to get from one place to another, usually just a few (50-200) milliseconds. It's virtually never instant, especially across the ocean.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on February 13, 2015, 10:41:10 AM
I could be wrong, but I took the "days ago" part to mean that they were in the studio together, which means they wrote some material together as a group already.  But that is just a guess on my part.  I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 13, 2015, 10:59:43 AM
There's got to be a music callaboration tool that allows bands to play over the internet together without lag.

Not really, latency is always going to be there. It does take time for information over the internet to get from one place to another, usually just a few (50-200) milliseconds. It's virtually never instant, especially across the ocean.

Yeah. I have tried that with my previous band, but the lag, even when you're down at 50 ms, is killing it. What you need is <20ms, and the internet just can't handle that. Not when it gets routed through 10 servers on the way.

I could be wrong, but I took the "days ago" part to mean that they were in the studio together, which means they wrote some material together as a group already.  But that is just a guess on my part.  I could be wrong.

I think given that the snow situation is the reason he's not down there right now, I think it's unlikely that he was before, given how Boston had a big blizzard + statewide travel ban just a few days ago.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: nikatapi on February 13, 2015, 11:27:16 AM
Ι'm certainly curious about the creative process of this album, given the schedules and MM's limited time in the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OsMosis2259 on February 13, 2015, 12:08:29 PM
Group Skype session?

They can't jam online but I think JP and JR have a lot of riffs and ideas and they can kind of just go over them. They also have all the tools that they need to demo their song ideas  at home and present them to each other in a more complete way.

I know DT is kind of old school and they like to all be together in the studio for 5 months to write and record but that's pretty much how a lot of bands(Periphery, Alter Bridge to name a couple) do it nowadays.   
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on February 13, 2015, 12:38:58 PM
I could be wrong, but I took the "days ago" part to mean that they were in the studio together, which means they wrote some material together as a group already.  But that is just a guess on my part.  I could be wrong.

I think given that the snow situation is the reason he's not down there right now, I think it's unlikely that he was before, given how Boston had a big blizzard + statewide travel ban just a few days ago.

Oh, okay.  I dunno then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 13, 2015, 01:03:33 PM
I mean, I don't think it's particularly hard to piece it together. JP and JR have always been the core songwriters, and given DT12's lack of drum-driven parts, I don't think it's too far fetched to assume that MM's involvement for that album was on the same level as it seems is now, where JP+JR lay down the basic songs, and then JM and MM play along to it. That playing-along-and-figuring-parts-out can be done from home as well as in the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on February 13, 2015, 02:00:17 PM
I'm sure my fellow Bostonians hav it bad too. Unbelievable !! And we're expecting another 18" where I am tomorrow !
Someone needs to Photoshop a fake album cover:

18 Inches of Bostonian Snow
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 13, 2015, 02:31:48 PM
I also gotta say, as a Bostonian here, it's not that we're in a Katrina-esque state here. We got FEMA helping out, and given that we usually know two days before when another snow storm will hit, you can easily plan around it. Meaning, if MM wanted to be in New York, he would be in New York. I myself went to, and came back, from Florida during all this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 13, 2015, 02:33:40 PM
I agree that in their post MP era, DT hasn't lived much to their 'we're going to speak a lot to the fans' stance that they took in their first post-MP months.

I know.  Bummer.  They never talk to the fans at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8cLlXnHpA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNrsD2JF6Q8

Yeah, those were cool things obviously, but even without those live chats you would get 80% more info from Portnoy in social media back then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 13, 2015, 02:39:45 PM
I also gotta say, as a Bostonian here, it's not that we're in a Katrina-esque state here. We got FEMA helping out, and given that we usually know two days before when another snow storm will hit, you can easily plan around it. Meaning, if MM wanted to be in New York, he would be in New York. I myself went to, and came back, from Florida during all this.

As can be seen from his post, he has kids to think about.

First thing I thought when I read this in FB was I hope he is ok.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 13, 2015, 02:43:34 PM
Come on, seriously. Yes, it's a ton of snow. But, it's a nuisance, at best. The roads are cleared, all you have to do to get to New York is to get in a car and drive to Logan airport.
I would also think that DT management has the wherewithals to hire a snow clearing service and a nanny if need be.
All I'm saying is, I think it just shows he's not considered a key ingredient in the current phase of writing for a) him going down there or b) DT pushing out the schedule. The fact that he agreed to play the UK shows kinda seems to go into the same direction.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 13, 2015, 03:52:06 PM
I know this may piss off drummers but for the most part, I think that they are not involved in the writing process but are involved in shaping the song and making they mark once they all get together to round the songs up.

In bold so no drummer loses their mind.  I do understand some are involved.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 13, 2015, 03:59:41 PM
PREDICTION.


Gonna go out on a limb here.


DT 13 will be...




.. Released....


..Before Metallica 10 and Tool 5
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on February 13, 2015, 04:27:50 PM
I know this may piss off drummers but for the most part, I think that they are not involved in the writing process but are involved in shaping the song and making they mark once they all get together to round the songs up.

In bold so no drummer loses their mind.  I do understand some are involved.

An example of the exception would be Virgil Donati.

But why are drummers given so little credit for the drum parts they come up with as if they are less than some of the melodic content.  And when it comes to metal (especially prog), drums probably add more to the song than bass.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on February 13, 2015, 04:42:19 PM
Yeah it is pretty obvious that if MM needed to be at the studio, he could be. He doesn't need to be there right now, especially if it's unsafe or inconvenient to be there.

Guys, hate to be the spoiler, but the idea that DT are five guys who get together and write their albums together is just that - an idea. Hasn't been true for years. JP writes the vast majority of the material, the other guys show up and contribute later on, James does everything from Canada now. This isn't a hungry young band of guys sharing the same flat and same practice space every night. This is a well oiled machine. If that sounds controversial, you haven't read the later version of Lifting Shadows.

EDIT: Most concerning of all this info to me is the fact that Mangini is already booked to play with another band when he could be in the studio with the band. To me that seems like poor planning at best, lack of commitment and taking ownership of his role as the DT drummer at worst. Not saying it *is* that way, but those are the things that have me a bit worried.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 13, 2015, 04:51:29 PM
I think I've done it months ago in another thread, but if I had to put percentages on what my impression of each person's contributions to the writing process are:

Music - JP 85%, JR 10%, JM 2%, MM 2%, JLB 1%
Lyrics - JP 60%, JLB 30%, JM 10%

EDIT: I should point out, I'm not saying someone is telling JM or MM what exactly to play. I think what they play there came up with themselves. But the creative part lies squarely in JP's and JR's hands.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 13, 2015, 04:59:02 PM
My own assumption is the reverse. With the short  production time, MM working in his home studio, MM going on a short tour with UK, DT booking tour dates early, these all point to me that the songs are already substantially completed. They were not starting from scratch.

These are professionals. They know what they are doing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 13, 2015, 05:09:13 PM
Come on, seriously. Yes, it's a ton of snow. But, it's a nuisance, at best. The roads are cleared, all you have to do to get to New York is to get in a car and drive to Logan airport.
I would also think that DT management has the wherewithals to hire a snow clearing service and a nanny if need be.
All I'm saying is, I think it just shows he's not considered a key ingredient in the current phase of writing for a) him going down there or b) DT pushing out the schedule. The fact that he agreed to play the UK shows kinda seems to go into the same direction.

You are assuming that MM is talking about snow as blocking roads and stuff. Based on his post, I don't think that is what he is referring to. He talks about snow management, his kids at home, the snow at one side of the house, the snow at the front lawn. This indicates to me that MM is concerned not with road conditions but rather with the danger the snow posed at his home and his family. So he chose to stay at home.

I am a father to a very young child and I have cancelled business trips when typhoons threaten the security of my family. That's how I read MM's post based on the context clues in his post.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on February 13, 2015, 05:11:02 PM
I think "get everyone in the same room and write and record our album simultaneously" was more of an MP thing, looking back. The man was always on a tight schedule, DT could finish an album in a few weeks that way.

With MP gone, I speculate that JP prefers more of a piecemeal approach. He'll write a lot, the other guys will bring some ideas or make some modifications when they visit the studio. I honestly would not be surprised if JP has several full demos ready by the time the whole band get together (if that happens at all). JLB does his vocals from Canada now, and MM is capable of recording at home too. I'd be surprised if they don't all video the studio at one point but I would not be surprised at all if they don't really meet as a group until it's time for tour rehearsal.

Plenty of bands function that way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on February 13, 2015, 05:30:45 PM
I didn't even see the MM facebook post quoted here until now.  That is a bit depressing, especially the UK dates somebody else brought up.  Maybe MM just isn't the songwriting type.  It doesn't matter that Petrucci is the main songwriter.  As most that have written a song will tell you, real collaboration can really bring out the best in everybody.  So even if Petrucci came up with the actual riffs/progressions/melodies, there is something to be said for having a collaborator there to say "hey.  Instead of going into this next section that way, what if we did something like .... ?"  That person doesn't have to even write that part.  They could just be talking about a tempo, meter, chord change or just overall feel that they relate communicate by relating to another song/artist.

If MM is just following along to a pre-written structure, it really limits his effect on the song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 13, 2015, 05:46:01 PM
MM did say that he is writing drum patterns and "riffs". Riffs. MM is writing riffs.

I also think that people here are understating the MM effect on the DT12 songs. There are songs where the MM contributions are obvious (Illumination Theory, Enigma Machine, the odd-timed rolls in Surrender to Reason, the STR instrumentals which has one of the weirdest rhythmic structures I have heard, and some portions of TEI). Trained ears would also hear that the cohesiveness of the songs in DT12 is different, even from the ADTOE songs which MM played. The orchestration is also very different.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: evz on February 13, 2015, 05:48:16 PM
could be they are sharing ideas, like JP sent out a batch of riffs, "here are a bunch of ideas, see what you come up with and we'll start piecing them together when we get to the studio..."

There's a lot of ways to approach things.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on February 13, 2015, 07:42:22 PM
My concern is the "commitment" from MM to DT. Wasn't that the reason Minnemamn didn't accept the gig( (he didnt want to be committed to just DT) in the first place?

Other than that, there are many ways to record, especially with Mangini having his own studio. I don't Mike would miss a beat.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 13, 2015, 07:57:53 PM
My concern is the "commitment" from MM to DT. Wasn't that the reason Minnemamn didn't accept the gig( (he didnt want to be committed to just DT) in the first place?

Wouldn't that concern be overblown? The guy left a full-time job as a professor in a prestigious music university. He's doing a short fill-in gig for Virgil Donati, and is working at home for "snow management" while record-levels of snow is falling on Boston. Give the guy a break.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on February 13, 2015, 08:47:35 PM
My concern is the "commitment" from MM to DT. Wasn't that the reason Minnemamn didn't accept the gig( (he didnt want to be committed to just DT) in the first place?

Wouldn't that concern be overblown? The guy left a full-time job as a professor in a prestigious music university. He's doing a short fill-in gig for Virgil Donati, and is working at home for "snow management" while record-levels of snow is falling on Boston. Give the guy a break.

I don't have a problem with the snow management and to be with his family. I would probably have done the same. I was just try to say that this is similar to what happened to MP. He started doing outside projects and whatnot and suddenly, he was out of DT. I'm not saying that him playing with Avengefold was the only reason why he left, but it definitely made at least, a small influence on MPs decision.

Second, DT's gig is probably most lucrative than being a prof at Berkeley. I would have left Berkeley to join DT if I was given that choice as well because it would have benefited me musically, professionally, and financially.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 13, 2015, 09:14:31 PM
MP asked for a 5 year break.

MM is doing a two week fill in for a band that has a farewell tour and has Virgil Donati as its full time drummer.

It's not even remotely the same.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on February 13, 2015, 09:54:35 PM
MP asked for a 5 year break.

MM is doing a two week fill in for a band that has a farewell tour and has Virgil Donati as its full time drummer.

It's not even remotely the same.
Agreed but it seems odd that he would allow himself to be booked during the couple months window every 2-3 years when DT actually write and record new albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 13, 2015, 10:53:25 PM
I think you guys are looking way too much into this. We don't even know what they're doing in the studio right now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 13, 2015, 10:59:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmJGXcxfmjY
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 14, 2015, 01:26:36 AM
I think you guys are looking way too much into this. We don't even know what they're doing in the studio right now.

Jordan is playing with his new Linnstrument.

Agreed but it seems odd that he would allow himself to be booked during the couple months window every 2-3 years when DT actually write and record new albums.

I think this actually indicates that they are expecting to already be finished by that time. So most likely, they are already well into the songwriting process already.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 14, 2015, 04:20:52 AM
I think you guys are looking way too much into this. We don't even know what they're doing in the studio right now.
Goddammit, this is DTF, I don't even know why you would say such things.



Yeah I do.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: the_silent_man on February 14, 2015, 05:58:07 AM
While I am concerned about the time  period, I just remembered that petrucci said in January of last year that they'd already started formulating song ideas. Maybe they did do a lot while on tour
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mladen on February 14, 2015, 06:53:59 AM
If they're taking a different approach this time around, maybe that means something exciting in terms of chemistry and creative process.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 14, 2015, 01:05:54 PM
If they're taking a different approach this time around, maybe that means something exciting in terms of chemistry and creative process.

This. Different way of 'shaking it up'. Instead of throwing off the album release schedule, they find a different way of making them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on February 14, 2015, 03:03:27 PM
If they're taking a different approach this time around, maybe that means something exciting in terms of chemistry and creative process.
I don't really think that's the case, I think it's more just sinking in for some people that this is how they've been doing things since MP left.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on February 14, 2015, 07:38:02 PM
If MM records in his own studio, on his own terms, that might be real beneficial for the drum sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 14, 2015, 07:47:28 PM
That would be great, yeah. Gavin Harrison does it that way too, and his drum sounds are spectacular.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on February 14, 2015, 11:35:36 PM
Right now, we have just enough evidence to jump to wild conclusions.

If you're the negative sort, you could look at MM over the last six or so months and start to wonder if he's losing interest in DT. He seemed miffed at the compression/production of his drums on DT12 in the one interview, then he's decides to play a few shows for another band, and now we find out he's not in the studio two weeks into recording. Given the level of consistent enthusiasm in his tooooooone when he joined, it isever so slightly noticeable. Maybe the honeymoon is over and Mangini, who is, after all, over 50, is finding this isn't as fulfilling as he wanted. If therewere issues, we likely wouldn't know until a split happened, this being well-oiled PR-machine-era DT. John Petrucci isn't going to take to Twitter and decry Mike's absence from the studio.

Or...if you're the positive type, John Petrucci explicitly noted that they were "planting seeds" for the new album in the last tour, perhaps even early in the tour if I recall. Granted, he/DT have always said they jam and record ideas at soundchecks etc. and occasionally they make it on the album, but it seems like on past cycles, it was always downplayed, like "Yeah, we jam and it's cool, and every now and then, something makes it on." Knowing how carefully Petrucci chooses words, maybe this a real indicator of either a concept album or a change in approach. This is further underscored by the fact that we have yet to see a real studio update two weeks in and that Mike isn't needed in the studio yet.

Either conclusion (or anything in between) has multiple data points that could back it (if you squint), but the meanings of all of them are so fluid that it's all beyond mere speculation (nothing wrong with that, given that we're a fanbase and this is what we have to go on right now). Personally, I suppose I'm more on the optimistic side, but frankly nothing would shock me. Given the nature of DT, anything could be going on behind closed doors. Heck, when Portnoy--one of metal's most communicative, open musicians--left, that came out of the blue. Imagine how little warning we'd get of a member quitting, or other turmoil, in the DT camp nowadays.

Wow, more of this post is about the possibility of MM leaving than I thought. Again, don't think it's likely. Just making a broader comment on the nature of DT information nowadays and where that puts our minds at this point in the cycle. Here's hoping that the latest round of news is evidence of a revitalized band trying new things--or, that they're trying old things with some weird snow delays, and that a great album will come out of it anyway. Disappointed as I've been with their last two releases, I'm going in with reasonably high expectations.

As a complete aside, those of you who were talking about James doing everything in Canada--wasn't he with the band on DT12? I thought it was just ADTOE where he was in Canada. If so, a bit presumptuous to cite as evidence of some sort of drifting apart of the band.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 14, 2015, 11:40:49 PM
MM has posted an intriguing update.

Jordan Rudess will make music out of this.

Electronic drum kit. 4/4. Habanero.

Exciting times.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: PetFish on February 15, 2015, 01:48:02 AM
I've been trying to avoid this thread.

It feels like a tabloid show where every little thing is taken out of context and scrutinized and insane conclusions and predictions and assumptions are made... and some are rather harsh.

Can't we just let Dream Theater make their music and judge them based on that?  Who cares how they do it or how long it takes, let the results carry them or bury them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 15, 2015, 02:51:11 AM
MM UPDATE

Some of you are wondering what I'm playing while snowed in. Mainly, I am redoing my leg technique to not hit as hard. Mind you, what I'm putting below is an exercise for being snowed in. It is not meant to be "groovy" mannnn smile emoticon I'm working on lighter played single foot tempos between patterns that keep my mind occupied.

 Here's an example: My ride side plays a 19/8 sticking, while the left hand plays points that resemble 17/8, while the left foot plays the in between 16th notes, while my mind is basing the whole thing in say, a 6 or 7-tuplet, or just in 4/4. I then flip it to totally lefty, or I reassign limbs with no 'side' preference, which is actually easy after knowing the sound of the whole mess. The bad thing is that there are no limbs to reflect what my mind hears, so it is kind of useless unless there's music to designate the "one" of every 7, or whatever my base time tuplet is. No groove to it if you can't hear the base groove tuplet. Anyway... I know... "make a video !" comments are coming. Rudess will make music of this, trust me!

 I'm also working on electronic kit sounding simple, 4/4 grooves using some over the bar ride patterns just to give it some habanero spice. It is stuff that kids can feel, so it sort of pleases all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 15, 2015, 03:11:32 AM
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Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 15, 2015, 04:09:32 AM
And JR is on the other end of the line going  :omg: :omg: :omg:

 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on February 15, 2015, 06:12:21 AM
Whenever MM shares his musical intelligence, I can only be impressed. He is on a completely different level from most drummers.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Clairvoyant on February 15, 2015, 06:48:57 AM
I'm so curious how next dream theater album will be, I hope it will be more on the vein of metal and not progressive rock like the last two!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on February 15, 2015, 10:38:52 AM
I'm so curious how next dream theater album will be, I hope it will be more on the vein of metal and not progressive rock like the last two!

I disagree. If they make something heavier, 9 times out of 10 in modern Dream Theater it will sound (quality of sound) bad. To have a big album of that just doesn't appeal to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on February 15, 2015, 11:00:57 AM
James on his Twitter:

"Hey Everyone, Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk."
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 15, 2015, 11:03:08 AM
James on his Twitter:

"Hey Everyone, Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk."

I'm calling it now. The Count of Tuscany pt 2 - Scenes From a Vineyard.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 15, 2015, 11:04:11 AM
The Count of Tuscany pt 2: BACK TO THE VILLA
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Clairvoyant on February 15, 2015, 11:05:59 AM
I'm so curious how next dream theater album will be, I hope it will be more on the vein of metal and not progressive rock like the last two!

I disagree. If they make something heavier, 9 times out of 10 in modern Dream Theater it will sound (quality of sound) bad. To have a big album of that just doesn't appeal to me.

I understand but I wanted to mean simply "progressive metal" but more progressive clearly!! Dream Theater properly are indeed "progressive metal".
Anyway I like the last two albums both simply I want to hear something more strong and a new drums sound!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mosh on February 15, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
MM UPDATE

Some of you are wondering what I'm playing while snowed in. Mainly, I am redoing my leg technique to not hit as hard. Mind you, what I'm putting below is an exercise for being snowed in. It is not meant to be "groovy" mannnn smile emoticon I'm working on lighter played single foot tempos between patterns that keep my mind occupied.

 Here's an example: My ride side plays a 19/8 sticking, while the left hand plays points that resemble 17/8, while the left foot plays the in between 16th notes, while my mind is basing the whole thing in say, a 6 or 7-tuplet, or just in 4/4. I then flip it to totally lefty, or I reassign limbs with no 'side' preference, which is actually easy after knowing the sound of the whole mess. The bad thing is that there are no limbs to reflect what my mind hears, so it is kind of useless unless there's music to designate the "one" of every 7, or whatever my base time tuplet is. No groove to it if you can't hear the base groove tuplet. Anyway... I know... "make a video !" comments are coming. Rudess will make music of this, trust me!

 I'm also working on electronic kit sounding simple, 4/4 grooves using some over the bar ride patterns just to give it some habanero spice. It is stuff that kids can feel, so it sort of pleases all.
Gotta say I'm not thrilled to read this. I get it Mike, you're a superhuman drummer, now show me you can groove.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on February 15, 2015, 12:07:48 PM
MM UPDATE

Some of you are wondering what I'm playing while snowed in. Mainly, I am redoing my leg technique to not hit as hard. Mind you, what I'm putting below is an exercise for being snowed in. It is not meant to be "groovy" mannnn smile emoticon I'm working on lighter played single foot tempos between patterns that keep my mind occupied.

 Here's an example: My ride side plays a 19/8 sticking, while the left hand plays points that resemble 17/8, while the left foot plays the in between 16th notes, while my mind is basing the whole thing in say, a 6 or 7-tuplet, or just in 4/4. I then flip it to totally lefty, or I reassign limbs with no 'side' preference, which is actually easy after knowing the sound of the whole mess. The bad thing is that there are no limbs to reflect what my mind hears, so it is kind of useless unless there's music to designate the "one" of every 7, or whatever my base time tuplet is. No groove to it if you can't hear the base groove tuplet. Anyway... I know... "make a video !" comments are coming. Rudess will make music of this, trust me!

 I'm also working on electronic kit sounding simple, 4/4 grooves using some over the bar ride patterns just to give it some habanero spice. It is stuff that kids can feel, so it sort of pleases all.
Gotta say I'm not thrilled to read this. I get it Mike, you're a superhuman drummer, now show me you can groove.

If you look at the context of the quote, there's nothing to worry about. The man is trying to push the technical boundaries of his craft. Whatever "groove" is, it certainly isn't at the technical boundary. A drummer who can play some basic beats and fills could have "groove." Whatever groove Mangini has is going to be there no matter what; anything that those on this forum might define as groovy is likely something he can already do. So he doesn't need to be doing exercises to strengthen it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mosh on February 15, 2015, 12:12:11 PM
I know, but this is the sort of stuff that ends up on the DT albums. I guess that's my issue with his drum parts on the last two records: it's technically impressive but there's not much musicality to it. I have no doubt that he can groove, the issue is that he doesn't seem to have any interest in it. In a lot of cases less is more, one of my favorite Mangini moments so far is the simple 12/8 in Illumination Theory.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on February 15, 2015, 12:19:22 PM
Which is fine--I'm not a big fan of the drumming either (BTFW excepted; that's great). Just yesterday I was listening to MP-era DT and kept thinking "Man, I miss these memorable fills." But should he be doing exercises on simple 12/8 riffs he could play in his sleep, or should he be prepping complex stuff just in case the band has some use for it? There's a lot of talk here on DTF about the band being closed-off to weird stuff (particularly from JR) in favor of the "DT sound." Just as we're not going to get a ragtime album, it seems odd to expect that we're going to get an album of crazy grooveless polyrhythms just because one member does some work on them in his spare time. Maybe one or two crop up somewhere, and they might work or might not, but MM's most extreme playing isn't suddenly going to be this dominating force in the DT sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 15, 2015, 03:13:32 PM
James on his Twitter:

"Hey Everyone, Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk."

I'm calling it now. The Count of Tuscany pt 2 - Scenes From a Vineyard.


Better not be Maynard Keenan's Vineyard or the next DT album will take 9 years.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 15, 2015, 03:18:03 PM
James on his Twitter:

"Hey Everyone, Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk."

Who the hell *is* in the studio at this point? :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mladen on February 15, 2015, 04:22:28 PM
Did anyone confirm being in the studio?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 15, 2015, 06:21:06 PM
James on his Twitter:

"Hey Everyone, Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk."

Who the hell *is* in the studio at this point? :lol

 :lol   Good question.  I guess Jordan and the Johns are proposing material to each other and John Myung is silently killing them with his mind.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on February 16, 2015, 03:10:32 AM
"Groove" - thanks to DTF, this has become my most hated music related term, the basis of some of the most pointless arguments I can think of. Whenever someone uses it, especially in the same sentence with MM, I cringe.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on February 16, 2015, 03:12:10 AM
James on his Twitter:

"Hey Everyone, Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk."

Who the hell *is* in the studio at this point? :lol

JM is sitting there alone, drinking his Starbucks, waiting for the other guys to show.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 16, 2015, 04:00:14 AM
"Groove" - thanks to DTF, this has become my most hated music related term, the basis of some of the most pointless arguments I can think of. Whenever someone uses it, especially in the same sentence with MM, I cringe.

Why? I have probably missed those 'pointless arguments', so I can't quite relate to your comment one way or the other. So I'm not trying to contradict you here, just curious.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 16, 2015, 05:44:19 AM
"Groove" - thanks to DTF, this has become my most hated music related term, the basis of some of the most pointless arguments I can think of. Whenever someone uses it, especially in the same sentence with MM, I cringe.

Are you saying MM can't groove or does not grove in DT because it doesn't fit their style?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 16, 2015, 06:06:37 AM
"Groove" - thanks to DTF, this has become my most hated music related term, the basis of some of the most pointless arguments I can think of. Whenever someone uses it, especially in the same sentence with MM, I cringe.

Are you saying MM can't groove or does not grove in DT because it doesn't fit their style?

I think Sycsa is referring to the tendency of MM critics to repeat ad nauseum that MM can not groove, but when pressed for meaning, they can never really specify what not having a groove means. So instead of just straightforwardly saying that they just prefer MP over MM as a matter of taste, they throw the not having a groove argument to give their arguments some kind of gravitas.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 16, 2015, 06:16:05 AM
"Groove" - thanks to DTF, this has become my most hated music related term, the basis of some of the most pointless arguments I can think of. Whenever someone uses it, especially in the same sentence with MM, I cringe.

Are you saying MM can't groove or does not grove in DT because it doesn't fit their style?

I think Sycsa is referring to the tendency of MM critics to repeat ad nauseum that MM can not groove, but when pressed for meaning, they can never really specify what not having a groove means. So instead of just straightforwardly saying that they just prefer MP over MM as a matter of taste, they throw the not having a groove argument to give their arguments some kind of gravitas.

Groove is groove, and groove can be hard to quantify in absolute terms because it's a subtle nuance, but it's a perfectly valid opinion. Groove is about the way a drummer accents dynamics and timing to give a pattern a certain sound beyond simply what is being played, usually creating a more energetic and exciting feel. It's why a MIDI file or drum machine completely lacks groove, because every beat has literally identical dynamics and perfectly metric timing throughout, which is why that criticism also ties into the discussion. I agree with Mosh, that the straightforward 12/8 beat in IT is one of my favourites from MM, because it's not about being mathematical or complex, it's a simple beat played hard.

It is not about preferring one drummer over another, it's a self contained opinion. It's fine to disagree with it, but don't dismiss it simply because you don't agree with it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 16, 2015, 08:01:33 AM
Are we really going back to the groove thing again?

There is a technical definition of groove as a style of drumming (ala Jeff Porcaro), but as you say it can be defined as the "feel" of a song. The reason I dismiss some of these groove arguments is that "feel" is a very subjective thing. Whether one "feels" like moving to a drum pattern is most of the time really a matter of taste.

The lack of dynamics and too much precision argument also tends to be selective, chopping up parts of MM's drumming and magnifying the point as if it is something generalizable to the whole of MM's work. The drum machine caricature, is it applicable to to BITS? Can you program  a drum machine to sound like the drumming in IT? Is there no pulse in the drumming in BTV? Is there no dynamics in the drums in BAI?No groove in the playing of the rides and hihats in the instrumental of TLG, TBP and the stanzas of STR?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 16, 2015, 08:12:25 AM
Everything we discuss is ultimately a matter of taste, so I don't see that as a valid reason to dismiss it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 16, 2015, 08:17:02 AM
Porcaro and Chad Smith are great examples of Groove drummers.  Though if you listen to MM in Extreme, he grooved.  Sometimes a style doesn't fit with another style.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 16, 2015, 08:29:34 AM
Everything we discuss is ultimately a matter of taste, so I don't see that as a valid reason to dismiss it.

But stating "Mike Mangini DOES NOT KNOW how to groove" or "There IS NO DYNAMICS in Mike Mangini's drumming" does not come off as a statement of taste. It comes off as a statement of fact.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on February 16, 2015, 10:14:45 AM
"Groove" - thanks to DTF, this has become my most hated music related term, the basis of some of the most pointless arguments I can think of. Whenever someone uses it, especially in the same sentence with MM, I cringe.

Are you saying MM can't groove or does not grove in DT because it doesn't fit their style?

I think Sycsa is referring to the tendency of MM critics to repeat ad nauseum that MM can not groove, but when pressed for meaning, they can never really specify what not having a groove means. So instead of just straightforwardly saying that they just prefer MP over MM as a matter of taste, they throw the not having a groove argument to give their arguments some kind of gravitas.
Basically this. Arguments based on "I can't explain it, but that's how I feel" are rarely productive. Also, DT is not a "groovy" type of music by default, so idk why is it suddenly such an important criteria in evaluating MM's performance.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 16, 2015, 10:32:22 AM
Because people want to find faults in MM because they like MP's playing better.  Like it's been said, it's a taste thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 16, 2015, 10:50:34 AM
People praised MM before he was in the band.  Now it's like their opinions changed. I don't get it. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 16, 2015, 11:05:11 AM
The minority is always louder than the majority because the majority never speaks up.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 16, 2015, 11:17:30 AM
Or it can just be that people like to complain a lot.   ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 16, 2015, 11:32:07 AM
It would be healthier if we stopped discussing these matters and talk again once we have any real updates/material.


That would be nice, right.


It won't happen, though.

 :coolio
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2015, 11:39:38 AM
My feelings regarding the drummers :

I liked MP a lot until he quit the band and it was revealed how much of a control freak he was.

I love MM as a person - genuinely grateful to be in the band and his technical abilities are off the charts.

As for their playing on DT albums - I really liked MP's rock approach more than MM's robotic technique.

I think MM's solos are incredibly dull - even as a drummer myself who understands what he's doing.

I wish MM would lay back a bit more and just feel the music a bit more and not go

" Oh this bit is in 15 - i'll play 12 over 16 and then one bar of 3 over 6 and then reverse it between my left and right side "

Just PLAY.





- But overall i'd rather have MM in the band than MP.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2015, 11:44:35 AM
Oh and Mangini can groove when he wants to...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GXRzoJbiI
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 16, 2015, 11:52:18 AM
MM is super-talented and he can probably adapt to any style he wants to.  I  think he is far from boring and I really do like his tech talk.  It's what makes him so amazing.  He actually knows what he is playing and doesn't just pick up sticks and bang drums just because it sounds good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 16, 2015, 12:32:37 PM
I don't worry about any of that crap.  MM comes across as a great person, and he is definitely a technical beast on the kit.  As long as they keep making music I love, I don't care who is more technical or who grooves more.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mosh on February 16, 2015, 12:35:00 PM
My feelings regarding the drummers :

I liked MP a lot until he quit the band and it was revealed how much of a control freak he was.

I love MM as a person - genuinely grateful to be in the band and his technical abilities are off the charts.

As for their playing on DT albums - I really liked MP's rock approach more than MM's robotic technique.

I think MM's solos are incredibly dull - even as a drummer myself who understands what he's doing.

I wish MM would lay back a bit more and just feel the music a bit more and not go

" Oh this bit is in 15 - i'll play 12 over 16 and then one bar of 3 over 6 and then reverse it between my left and right side "

Just PLAY.





- But overall i'd rather have MM in the band than MP.
This exactly.

Also, I've never said that MM can't groove. I know he can, I've listened to him play with Extreme and Nuno's solo band. The problem is that he doesn't groove. He doesn't seem to be interested in that. His drumming in DT has no feeling.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 16, 2015, 12:48:21 PM
I remember back when he was completely new to the band I posted something like "I must be the only one to like his playing more than his personality". MM does seem like a nice person. But I recognize the type of personality he has, I know a few people who are like that. And quite honestly, I can't really stand them. It's not the 'being-nice' part that bothers me, that is of course really good and admirable. But MM has always come across as a try-hard. Someone who always says what everyone wants and is afraid to speak up against people. I'm quite convinced that that's not all of what he actually is though, and it's just an image I've formed through the limited information I have from him. But that is why I'm not as sold on him being a swell dude as most others seems to.

So between that, and the 'control freak' personality of Portnoy, I actually don't know who I'd prefer. Not that it matters, but still. Discussion.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mikemangioy on February 16, 2015, 01:42:52 PM
You know, there are pros and cons to both drummers for me. In the end I've got no preferences in the contest of DT(even though MP might be my favorite drummer ever). Even if MP was a control freak, I admired his perfect combo of grooviness and technicality, and just loved the little things that he added live. He's kind of mean, sometimes though.And towards the end of his carreer in the band (talking about SC and BCSL) he was definetly taking too much control. MM on the other end is a nice person, so fucking funny, and it really shows that he's so passionate about what he does, and truly believes in it - if the guy wants to do extremely technical stuff on drums in this band, let him do that, I enjoy the different approach he has compared to the other Mike. But still, he's pretty much a machine, and his drum sounds are a bit.. plastic. Although BTFW proved me wrong on both those aspects, maybe he was really enjoying playing in Boston, since it's his hometown, and so he kicked ass like never before.  So yeah, I'm pretty 50/50 about the whole thing, it also explains my username  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on February 16, 2015, 02:31:04 PM
People praised MM before he was in the band.  Now it's like their opinions changed. I don't get it.

It's almost like they formed an initial impression and then received new data and in some cases had their impression change.

From my limited knowledge of Mangini I formed a tentative opinion, and then I listened to two whole DT albums that he played on, and my opinion changed. Are you saying that once I formed an opinion once I should never ever have had my opinion change?

Honestly don't get the "You MUST have an unreservedly positive opinion of Mangini's drumming or you're just a whiner who doesn't understand" thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 16, 2015, 02:42:58 PM
People praised MM before he was in the band.  Now it's like their opinions changed. I don't get it.


From my limited knowledge of Mangini I formed a tentative opinion, and then I listened to two whole DT albums that he played on, and my opinion changed. Are you saying that once I formed an opinion once I should never ever have had my opinion change?


Not at all. What I'm saying is that it seems some people praised him based on knowing very little about him or just formed their opinion based on what other people said instead of waiting to have sufficient information to form a valid and respectable opinion.  It seems that sometimes people will just speak to be heard and not necessarily have anything concrete to back what they say. 

By the way, don't assume that I'm referring to you. This is just a generalization based on what I've seen.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on February 16, 2015, 02:59:11 PM
Ah, okay. That makes a bit more sense. I wasn't around here pre-ADTOE, anyway, so there's that. Thanks for clearing it up. Also, my third paragraph is a generalization and not necessarily directed at you. :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mosh on February 16, 2015, 03:10:14 PM
When I heard Mangini was joining the band I was really excited. I liked what he did with Extreme and he seemed like a good fit. Then ADTOE came out and I didn't find any of the drum parts interesting and also really disliked the mix. I felt like had to struggle to find the nuances in his playing. I know a lot of people boil it down to an ego thing with MP, but I loved how high his drums were in the mix. DT12 had a much better drum sound, I still don't hear what people are complaining about with it, but again a lot of Mangini's parts just didn't resonate with me. It's definitely a step in the right direction and there were some moments I really liked from him, but I'm not sold on him in DT just yet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 16, 2015, 03:12:28 PM
Ah, okay. That makes a bit more sense. I wasn't around here pre-ADTOE, anyway, so there's that. Thanks for clearing it up. Also, my third paragraph is a generalization and not necessarily directed at you. :tup

 ;)   No problem, my friend. 

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 16, 2015, 04:20:16 PM
Wait.... MP left Dream Theatre?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 16, 2015, 04:48:32 PM
When I heard Mangini was joining the band I was really excited. I liked what he did with Extreme and he seemed like a good fit. Then ADTOE came out and I didn't find any of the drum parts interesting and also really disliked the mix. I felt like had to struggle to find the nuances in his playing. I know a lot of people boil it down to an ego thing with MP, but I loved how high his drums were in the mix. DT12 had a much better drum sound, I still don't hear what people are complaining about with it, but again a lot of Mangini's parts just didn't resonate with me. It's definitely a step in the right direction and there were some moments I really liked from him, but I'm not sold on him in DT just yet.

3rd time's a charm  ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 16, 2015, 04:51:50 PM
Regarding the groove thing, my take on it is that while he *can* groove, it's a bit of an acquired skill for him, because it's not how he approaches drumming by default. His natural approach seems to be "deconstruct, then reconstruct". So, he focuses on playing a 5/8 on his left hand and a 12/16 on his right, and then switches left and right hand. That is impressive indeed.
There is a YouTube video where he kinda gives a public lesson in a big auditorium. The interesting part is when he talks about some style where one of the grandmasters told him "no, you have to be a bit sloppy here. That's what makes the style.". He then proceeds to explain " Ah, so I need to be ahead by 1/32, and some other times be late by a 1/32." He then proceeds to give an example ... and it sounds awful. It sounded exactly like someone who's been practicing his whole life to be precise, and then added a style's "feel" as a controlled addition to this precision.

TLDR: I think MM is by nature a technical drummer. So, joining DT I think he felt he could (and should) live out that part which comes natural to him.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 16, 2015, 05:00:36 PM
Yeah I subscribe to the school of thought that you can't teach "feel" - you just have to have it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 16, 2015, 05:02:30 PM
Oh and Mangini can groove when he wants to...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GXRzoJbiI

I loved everything about that video, from the playing to the sound of his drums and cymbals... Great stuff, and definitely had some "groove" IMO.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on February 16, 2015, 05:47:40 PM
Yeah I subscribe to the school of thought that you can't teach "feel" - you just have to have it.

Yes and no.  The more comfortable you get playing a song, the more you concentrate on dynamics as opposed to playing the notes.

Groove really is a meaningless debate though.  I'm sure we've all had the band rehearsal situation where visitors knock on your door to say "dude, that was so tight.  It is just so solid .... locked in  <blah blah blah>".  Then you get another visitor that doesn't really subscribe to your style tell you "the problem is it just doesn't groove".  Now these are fellow musicians, so you can hear what their definition of groove is.  They just have a *different* groove than you and assume their groove is right. Telling somebody to "groove more" really seems to be more of a condescending comment rather than constructive criticism.

What is groove:
Is it that funky staccato?
Is it that R&B flow?
Is it that Pantera machine lock?
Is it Meshuggah playing with groove?
Is it that classical 3/4 push?

Is it the way the drummer locks in with the rhythm (like lots of metal)?
Or is it the way the drum establishes a beat and the rhythm weaves more than locks (like hard rock such as AC/DC)?

Groove debates are largely ruled by style ... where both are right.

As far as Mangini goes, my reservations are not his ability, his groove, his technical prowess ....   I just want him to have more effect on the final product (songwriting effect, not technique effect).  It is more encouraging more Mangini than a claim there is anything wrong with him.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on February 16, 2015, 07:25:19 PM
I remember back when he was completely new to the band I posted something like "I must be the only one to like his playing more than his personality". MM does seem like a nice person. But I recognize the type of personality he has, I know a few people who are like that. And quite honestly, I can't really stand them. It's not the 'being-nice' part that bothers me, that is of course really good and admirable. But MM has always come across as a try-hard. Someone who always says what everyone wants and is afraid to speak up against people. I'm quite convinced that that's not all of what he actually is though, and it's just an image I've formed through the limited information I have from him. But that is why I'm not as sold on him being a swell dude as most others seems to.

So between that, and the 'control freak' personality of Portnoy, I actually don't know who I'd prefer. Not that it matters, but still. Discussion.
I don't agree with all of this, but I do agree that, to some extent Mangini strikes me as a player who is maybe too respectful to really have his voice heard. With so many albums he's played on, you always hear retroactive excuses for why the performance is underwhelming:

(not verbatim paraphrases of how I've interpreted things)
Elements of Persuasion: "I only had a few days"
Dramatic Turn: "I tried to respect the parts that were written"
DT12: "I had no control over how the drums were going to sound"

And with DT13, it's shaping up to be "I was snowed in and couldn't make it to the studio."

Mangini seems like a great, friendly, respectful guy, and he's a hell of a player. But I do feel like he's the kind of person who just doesn't want to speak up and take ownership for what he records. I read into things this way, because I'm the same type of person usually, and like Mangini I always seem to be trying to accommodate everyone else. I just wish he'd flex some muscle and do something that expresses his full potential as a player.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on February 16, 2015, 07:51:20 PM
Is there a YouTube video out there yet of a Mangini clinic where he breaks down some of his DT recording drum work?  Mangini mega fans .... a little help?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on February 17, 2015, 12:45:39 AM
Is there a YouTube video out there yet of a Mangini clinic where he breaks down some of his DT recording drum work?  Mangini mega fans .... a little help?

Mangini time sigs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzmrjnODMsQ)

A bit of a stretch on what I was requesting, but there's something.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: nikatapi on February 17, 2015, 02:30:06 AM
Since this thread has turned out to be a MM discussion, i'll add my two cents.
First of all, yes, Mike wants to keep everyone happy and try not to be pushy as far as his demands are concerned, he has admitted that. And i'm sure that all this time in DT he wanted to keep the band together and not be another MP to push things too far.
On the other hand, he is not very happy with his sound on ADTOE, he specifically said to me that his interpretation of the sound is like being recorded with just two mics. And i couldn't agree more, a lot of stuff is hidden behind the horrendous production, which is not his responcibility but mostly JP's. And the snare sound on DT12 was also not his decision, but he decided to go forward just to try something different, and respect the producer's vision.

Given that, when i told him about BTFW, in terms of sound and in terms of playing-intrepreting older parts, he told me that he feels more comfortable and he now feels free to be more like himself, since he has been accepted by most of the fans, and he doesn't need to prove himself anymore as being capable of keeping the band sounding like Dream Theater. He also said that he has found ways to make his drum recordings easier for everyone (i hope he doesn't mean triggering drums, but he didn't want to answer in specific) and improve his sound, so i guess BTFW levels of drum sound or better are to be expected of the next album.

As far as grooving, i personally feel that MM has more dynamics and groove than MP, he might play superfast some times, but he is definitely a very different drummer, he feels the rhythm in a certain (unique) way, and he is sometimes more subtle in accenting things and complimenting the other instruments. Of course crappy drum production doesn't help, so maybe this is why he sounds robotic. But listening to his natural sound during the Zildjian day event, where he played TEI and part of IT, he is definitely a groovy and very powerful player.

So i guess on the new album, first of all the drum sound needs to be improved (and all the cymbals should be audible this time, not buried) and maybe Mike will try to be more experimental. Of course in the end, it is a matter of production, so if JP rejects some of his ideas, it's not entirely Mike's fault for more generic sounding parts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 17, 2015, 06:17:42 AM
I think that the positive reaction of fans to MM's drumming in BTFW indicates that the perception of being robotic is really more of a production issue. I have been playing the DT12 and BTFW versions of the DT12 songs back to back, and MM is not really deviating much from the studio versions, but the drumming feels more alive.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Woodworker1 on February 17, 2015, 06:19:40 PM
I completely agree; I was one who did not really appreciate MM's drumming until I saw BTFW.  Being able to see and hear what he is playing made all the difference.  I was blown away by how much better I could hear MM on the DVD, and the amount of drum parts shown that I never would have caught by listening the CD.

I think that the positive reaction of fans to MM's drumming in BTFW indicates that the perception of being robotic is really more of a production issue. I have been playing the DT12 and BTFW versions of the DT12 songs back to back, and MM is not really deviating much from the studio versions, but the drumming feels more alive.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 17, 2015, 07:38:06 PM
TLG, in particular, really shone in the BTFW version compared to the DT one.

On another note, JP is not in the studio as well based on the FB update.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 17, 2015, 07:39:18 PM
So it's just JMX sitting there alone. What is he doing?


...bass
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: GasparXR on February 17, 2015, 10:05:32 PM
So it's just JMX sitting there alone. What is he doing?


...bass

Yeah, bassically.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 17, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
But... we're talking about John Myung, Not Geezer...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: GasparXR on February 17, 2015, 10:11:15 PM
But... we're talking about John Myung, Not Geezer...

Oh, come on, you don't have to be such a nib about it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 17, 2015, 10:19:34 PM
But... we're talking about John Myung, Not Geezer...

Oh, come on, you don't have to be such a nib about it.

Oh shit... :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 17, 2015, 11:12:00 PM
Whatever happened to Gaspar Green?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: GasparXR on February 18, 2015, 08:32:42 AM
Whatever happened to Gaspar Green?

John Myung's silly bow face took priority. :coolio
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 18, 2015, 08:44:52 AM
Whatever happened to Gaspar Green?

John Myung's silly bow face took priority. :coolio

Clearly, the wiser choice.   :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 18, 2015, 02:58:01 PM
Vacant's a pretty good song.  If JM and JR want to just write some stuff on their own, I'm not going to complain.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 19, 2015, 06:39:46 AM
Vacant's a pretty good song.  If JM and JR want to just write some stuff on their own, I'm not going to complain.
No doubt.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on February 19, 2015, 11:14:52 AM
Vacant's a pretty good song.  If JM and JR want to just write some stuff on their own, I'm not going to complain.
No doubt.
Hush, hush, darlin'.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 19, 2015, 11:16:53 AM
Vacant's a pretty good song.  If JM and JR want to just write some stuff on their own, I'm not going to complain.
No doubt.
Hush, hush, darlin'.

Don't Speak bosk1.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on February 19, 2015, 12:37:57 PM
That's what she Zydar said. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 19, 2015, 12:42:59 PM
I just blew a bubble from my nose laughing. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on February 19, 2015, 12:43:02 PM
Don't tell me cause it hurts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Podaar on February 19, 2015, 12:52:01 PM
Don't tell me cause it hurts stings.

Edited to sound raunchier.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on February 19, 2015, 01:04:09 PM
Your talent is virtually boundless.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: dtfaninvancouver on February 19, 2015, 01:19:09 PM
Fantastic. All albums are great, best band ever, blah, blah ... can't freakin' wait!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Podaar on February 19, 2015, 01:25:30 PM
Your talent is virtually boundless.

I prefer to think of virtuosity as being bound by talentlessness.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 19, 2015, 01:29:45 PM
Back on OP topic: Remember the creepy guy a few years back who wanted to stalk the studio?
Where's that guy when you need him!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 19, 2015, 02:08:29 PM
Back on OP topic: Remember the creepy guy a few years back who wanted to stalk the studio?
Where's that guy when you need him!!

I forgot about him! :lol

Imagine now since this is the predominant messageboard for DT and they read that? :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on February 20, 2015, 02:04:08 AM
Back on OP topic: Remember the creepy guy a few years back who wanted to stalk the studio?
Where's that guy when you need him!!
:lol Who was that again?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: the_silent_man on February 20, 2015, 03:03:13 AM
Is there any actual news? Is mangini back in the studio yet?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on February 20, 2015, 03:54:11 AM
I remember back in 2011 someone did some detective work based on DT's studio photos and tweets and found out which studio they were recording at - that was pretty awesome! :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 20, 2015, 04:36:34 AM
Yeah I remember that too! Creepy DT fans who stalk studio and find out midi from a blurry image! :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on February 20, 2015, 04:37:46 AM
I remember back in 2011 someone did some detective work based on DT's studio photos and tweets and found out which studio they were recording at - that was pretty awesome! :D

And we can't figure out why they don't release more in-studio info.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Plasmastrike on February 20, 2015, 06:37:36 AM
Exciting times ahead. Looking forward to updatessssss
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 20, 2015, 06:43:05 AM
Exciting times ahead. Looking forward to updatessssss

omg my feeeeellllsssss i just cannntttttttt help no
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on February 20, 2015, 08:18:45 AM
Exciting times ahead. Looking forward to updatessssss

We'll get one :soon:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Trooper on February 20, 2015, 09:42:19 AM
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Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 20, 2015, 10:17:58 AM
.

..
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on February 20, 2015, 10:21:36 AM
...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Trooper on February 20, 2015, 10:42:19 AM
.... :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 20, 2015, 10:42:50 AM
What have I started?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 20, 2015, 11:04:26 AM
Let's just end it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on February 20, 2015, 11:04:59 AM
This thread wouldn't get derailed so often if we had more (any) updates.   ;D Everyone is just hanging around  . . . bored.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 20, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
I wonder if they could pull off not giving ANY updates.... until release day. Not even a title. That'd be cool


Let's just end it.


YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 20, 2015, 11:12:48 AM
Jay




Hef is your daddy.



This really is the best time.  The anticipation of a new album and then tour.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 20, 2015, 11:22:42 AM
Let's just end it.


YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!
I'm everyone's supervisor.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 20, 2015, 11:45:32 AM
I had just this weird notion of God looking like Lumbergh from Office Space.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 20, 2015, 11:46:54 AM
What's going on?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 20, 2015, 04:00:04 PM
I had just this weird notion of God looking like Lumbergh from Office Space.

Yeahhh...I'm going to have to get you to cut it out with the masturbation while using my name in vain, that'd be great.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 20, 2015, 05:22:24 PM
I wonder if they could pull off not giving ANY updates.... until release day. Not even a title. That'd be cool

That would be fantastic. We need more mystery!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 21, 2015, 04:13:31 AM
I think that'd be a nightmare from a marketing standpoint.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 21, 2015, 04:30:51 AM
Depends on how quickly they move through writing and recording.  If they absolutely flew through it, it would be kind of cool to just get the news that they are done, and it will be out soon.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on February 21, 2015, 09:11:11 AM
Yeah, but there's no way they'd wait all the way until release day to mention a) that an album is coming b) what the title is and c) what the artwork looks like. That's essential to any artist of Dream Theater's level of popularity, especially because they probably make more on physical sales compared to digital sales than the average artist.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 21, 2015, 10:06:21 AM
Give us a fake title / listing / artwork
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: manticore999 on February 21, 2015, 11:06:10 AM
Depends on how quickly they move through writing and recording.  If they absolutely flew through it, it would be kind of cool to just get the news that they are done, and it will be out soon.

Personally, I think it would be better if they don't 'fly thorough' the writing and recording.  IMHO that's what a lot of their albums end up sounding like - jam, record it, jam, record it, mix it together into a song - repeat.  I haven't felt like an album was really 'crafted' since 6DOIT, although I did enjoy the last two albums more than the four that preceeded them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Fatal Tragedy on February 21, 2015, 03:47:20 PM
Yeah I remember that too! Creepy DT fans who stalk studio and find out midi from a blurry image! :D
Making that midi was a blast! Being able to gradually piece together music note by note in this unique fashion was an experience I'll never forget, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat for the fans. Also, that wasn't the only thing I recreated from those studio session videos...
(https://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/188/e/7/the_guitar_must_sound_like_this_______by_s1impikenz-d6cenny.png) :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jmasterx on February 21, 2015, 04:13:56 PM
My personal feeling of the Mangini era albums is they lack experimenting. The songs feel safe IMO. I want them to try new things, and really use Mangini for what he can really do; I want to hear crazy stuff.

MP worked with NM recently on an album called The Grand Experiment and I really liked it. Especially The Call. That song has a nice DT-ish vibe for me that's experimental and really interesting to me. Plus I obviously love the sound of MP's drums. But I just want to hear that from DT, and I want MM to take control of the drum production, but MM is too much of a team player to ever say, hey, mr engineer, I don't want my snare sounding like st anger, fix it!

I really hope this new DT album will bring something fresh and new and experimental. A bit like the jam the band had with Mangini during his audition, I really enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 21, 2015, 04:30:10 PM
Depends on how quickly they move through writing and recording.  If they absolutely flew through it, it would be kind of cool to just get the news that they are done, and it will be out soon.

Personally, I think it would be better if they don't 'fly thorough' the writing and recording.  IMHO that's what a lot of their albums end up sounding like - jam, record it, jam, record it, mix it together into a song - repeat.  I haven't felt like an album was really 'crafted' since 6DOIT, although I did enjoy the last two albums more than the four that preceeded them.
I wasn't recommending that they fly through it.  Although given their touring commitments, they may do some version of that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on February 21, 2015, 06:13:27 PM
Weren't there very few announcements of Scenes before release because they wanted to keep the story under wraps? If the rumors of a concept album happen to be true, couldn't we be in for something similar? Granted, the proliferation of online media over the last 15+ years certainly changes the landscape, but who knows.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Implode on February 21, 2015, 11:56:59 PM
metropolis 3 confirmed
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 22, 2015, 12:09:59 AM
metropolis 3 confirmed

Well then it's going to be a prequel because they're mostly dead.   ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 22, 2015, 12:14:26 AM
metropolis 3 confirmed

Well then it's going to be a prequel because they're mostly dead.   ;)

It can be a sequel. What part of reincarnation don't you get? :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 22, 2015, 12:20:37 AM
metropolis 3 confirmed

Well then it's going to be a prequel because they're mostly dead.   ;)

It can be a sequel. What part of reincarnation don't you get? :lol

 :lol   Lay off man. I lack sleep and things are moving that shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bolsters on February 22, 2015, 12:24:41 AM
Metropolis part 3: The Miracle and the Rehash
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 22, 2015, 12:26:17 AM
Metropolis pt.3: Victoria's Secret
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 22, 2015, 01:28:15 AM
Metr0pol15 prt le 3 : There we fick'n did it - now will you all shut up ? And no - there isn't going to be a pt 4 in another 15 years. Jordan is already like 60 or whatever.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 22, 2015, 05:26:28 AM
Metropolis pt.3: Victoria's Secret
Oh God I hope so
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 22, 2015, 05:27:44 AM
^I'm not sure how exciting that would be on an audio only album though..
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: the_silent_man on February 22, 2015, 09:00:12 AM
If they were to a do a concept album, which would be wicked, I wouldn't want Metropolis Part 3 but something different with a new story.

Let's face it, they won't ever make Metropolis Part 3, because the story is complete and also it will never live up to Part 2. It will constantly be compared to it. It's a terrible idea as it'll never live up to the hype.
All up for another concept album, though!

More than anything, I would just like the album to be more progressive this time. The last album was great, but it was very safe for DT (granted that was their plan) and I'd like to see an album with longer songs, such as ADTOE but with less ballads.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on February 22, 2015, 12:18:34 PM
Yeah, if they are doing a concept, the odds that it's M3 are...maybe 10% at best.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 22, 2015, 01:04:35 PM
No, it's 0%. At least I hope it is. SFaM is a great album, but I sincerely hope the guys in DT are imaginative enough to come up with something new.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 22, 2015, 01:10:32 PM
As awesome as the album is, the concept itself was kinda campy. Doing another sequel would just be bound to step into awful territory.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on February 22, 2015, 01:26:40 PM
As awesome as the album is, the concept itself was kinda campy. Doing another sequel would just be bound to step into awful territory.

Yeah. You'd hope that the band, if they went the concept route, had something a bit more fresh.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: PetFish on February 22, 2015, 09:11:02 PM
Let's face it, they won't ever make Metropolis Part 3, because the story is complete and also it will never live up to Part 2.

But it's not complete.  The villain gets away with it... twice (thrice).  Just cuz we now know the truth and Victoria can finally smile (and be in colour) doesn't make the story complete.  Far from it, actually, since Nicholas never had a chance to actually tell anyone what really happened before he was murdered himself and so there's no justice for anyone other than Edward The Killer.

If there's one general constant in storytelling is that the good guy(s) win in the end.  People like a happy ending.  This guy got away with three murders in two different time periods.  I would have no problem if they did a third act and the good guy(s) win.

Saying it will never live up to Part 2 is rather dismissive as well.  How can you assume and say that without actually experiencing it?

Plus trilogies.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 22, 2015, 10:16:34 PM
No, good guy winning does not equal 'complete story'. The story of 'Metropolis' is completely concluded in my mind, there is no need for more.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 22, 2015, 11:39:03 PM
That Metropolis pt.3 discussion will never end. Then if they choose to do it, we will discuss about Metropolis 4. I hope they don't do it. It's like The Unforgiven. Two is enough.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 22, 2015, 11:49:08 PM
That Metropolis pt.3 discussion will never end. Then if they choose to do it, we will discuss about Metropolis 4. I hope they don't do it. It's like The Unforgiven. Two is enough.

Or they will make Metropolis 3 and everyone will complain about it in some way.  Or go right to Metropolis 4: The Search For 3. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 23, 2015, 12:05:33 AM
Maybe we should do a poll who really wants Metropolis pt.3.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on February 23, 2015, 12:25:10 AM
There is no way they are doing Metropolis Part 3.

They are renaming Part 1 & 2 to Part 3 & 4 and are doing the prequel.  It will be about the parents of Julian and Victoria, who it turns out, are twins ... making their affair extra gross.

It will also reinvent Edward's character as the hero.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 23, 2015, 12:30:17 AM
There is no way they are doing Metropolis Part 3.

They are renaming Part 1 & 2 to Part 3 & 4 and are doing the prequel.  It will be about the parents of Julian and Victoria, who it turns out, are twins ... making their affair extra gross.

It will also reinvent Edward's character as the hero.

I still want to know what the gift is that she is carrying from her home.  Is the "she" Victoria?  The dawn? 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 23, 2015, 01:36:35 AM
That Metropolis pt.3 discussion will never end. Then if they choose to do it, we will discuss about Metropolis 4. I hope they don't do it. It's like The Unforgiven. Two is enough.

It is. Unforgiven III is by far the worst song on Death Magnetic and a HUGS drop off in quality from the first two.


( with II being my personal favourite ) .
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jonnybaxy on February 23, 2015, 05:29:30 AM
This conversation is had every time.

It won't happen.


 :corn
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on February 23, 2015, 05:32:01 AM
This conversation is had every time.

It won't happen.

The better statement is:  It shouldn't happen.  If DT does a Met3, they will officially be regressive metal.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on February 23, 2015, 06:00:33 AM
Let's face it, they won't ever make Metropolis Part 3...

There must be the third and last dance.
This one will last forever.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on February 23, 2015, 06:07:20 AM
This conversation is had every time.

It won't happen.

The better statement is:  It shouldn't happen.  If DT does a Met3, they will officially be regressive metal.
I don't see how the concept of an album has a significant bearing on whether or not the music is actually good or not.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 23, 2015, 07:23:02 AM

I don't see how the concept of an album has a significant bearing on whether or not the music is actually good or not.

This entirely. If the next album is their best - it won't be marred by the fact that it wasn't a concept album.

Conversely - if it IS a concept album - it could potentially be their all time worst album.

It's all about the songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on February 23, 2015, 08:59:24 AM
They should release Metropolis Pt. 4 just to mess with our minds... :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 23, 2015, 09:03:26 AM
They tried to do that with Hot Tub Time Machine. The current movie was supposed to be called "Hot Tub Time Machine 3", because of the time travelling involved. It was rejected by the studio as "too confusing".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on February 23, 2015, 09:22:14 AM
Which reminds me of the Leisure Suit Larry VG series. The third installment wrapped things up nicely and designer Al Lowe was struggling with the writing of the 4th episode, so he decided to skip it entirely and do Larry 5 instead, were everything went wrong for the character and he even struggles with amnesia with regards to the missing episode.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 23, 2015, 09:48:40 AM
Oh god, I remember that! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 23, 2015, 11:55:37 AM
That Metropolis pt.3 discussion will never end. Then if they choose to do it, we will discuss about Metropolis 4. I hope they don't do it. It's like The Unforgiven. Two is enough.

Except for the fact that The Unforgiven III is the best of the trilogy. On topic, I don't believe they should do Metropolis Pt. 3. This is a band very much living in the present and for the future. They don't seem like they would be interested in rehashing old ideas. If they do decide to to another concept album, it will be an entirely different story/idea. For me, a concept album would be cool but it's not needed. They already made one of the grestest concept albums of all time and have two more albums that can be considered concept albums in Six Degrees and Octavarium. If they do decide to do another concept album, I'm sure it will be great, but I hope they don't do Metropolis Pt. 3 because Part 2 is already perfect.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Evermind on February 23, 2015, 12:10:21 PM
If they do decide to do another concept album, I'm sure it will be great, but I hope they don't do Metropolis Pt. 3 because Part 2 is already perfect.

Well, I do agree with you on that.

Except for the fact that The Unforgiven III is the best of the trilogy.

I wouldn't call it "fact". In my opinion, third one isn't even getting close to the brilliance of first two.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: AngelBack on February 23, 2015, 12:12:46 PM
I don't see a full blown Met3 concept album, but I can a song that in some way would keep the story alive or end it.  Would be especially nice if it weren't blatantly obvious and then DTF could argue for ages to come over what it meant and whether it was indeed Met3.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 23, 2015, 02:19:52 PM
Except for the fact that The Unforgiven III is the best of the trilogy.
Given the law of averages, I knew that it was inevitable that SOMEONE would have this opinion.  I just never saw it expressed before.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 23, 2015, 02:30:40 PM
Except for the fact that The Unforgiven III is the best of the trilogy.
Given the law of averages, I knew that it was inevitable that SOMEONE would have this opinion.  I just never saw it expressed before.

I almost typed the same response myself.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mosh on February 23, 2015, 03:55:29 PM
I don't see a full blown Met3 concept album, but I can a song that in some way would keep the story alive or end it.  Would be especially nice if it weren't blatantly obvious and then DTF could argue for ages to come over what it meant and whether it was indeed Met3.
They could write a new album using the same structures as the songs on SFAM without telling anyone and let DTF endlessly debate it.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Randaran on February 23, 2015, 06:57:55 PM
They could write a new album using the same structures as the songs on SFAM without telling anyone and let DTF endlessly debate it.  :biggrin:

But they have not copied FII yet! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on February 24, 2015, 09:59:09 AM
So... at least Jordan is in the studio now: https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/photos/a.10151821986107989.1073741826.8717682988/10152773698542989/?type=1

Reportedly JP said the European summer shows will be the only touring they do this year, so maybe they'll finish work on the album after the summer dates and release it closer to the end of the year like they did with TOT in 2003?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 24, 2015, 10:06:07 AM
Jordan's got a problem with free image editing apps.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on February 24, 2015, 11:26:46 AM
So... at least Jordan is in the studio now: https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/photos/a.10151821986107989.1073741826.8717682988/10152773698542989/?type=1

Reportedly JP said the European summer shows will be the only touring they do this year, so maybe they'll finish work on the album after the summer dates and release it closer to the end of the year like they did with TOT in 2003?

Yes, that's true. 

Interestingly enough, it is beginning to sound more and more like DT will only be doing the summer European festival circuit this year.  That is kind of interesting news.  That means that they may not have an artificially imposed deadline to finish the new album - they will write/record for a few months, then get ready for the live shows, play them, and then they could come back and finish up the album.

The quote here from Hef came from the "That Metal Show" thread.

I like the idea that they're not rushing to finish.  I know some people were concerned about that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mladen on February 24, 2015, 11:27:47 AM
Reportedly JP said the European summer shows will be the only touring they do this year, so maybe they'll finish work on the album after the summer dates and release it closer to the end of the year like they did with TOT in 2003?
That would be great, they could indulge in it as much as they want, they don't need to hurry.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: kirksnosehair on February 24, 2015, 12:24:00 PM
Except for the fact that The Unforgiven III is the best of the trilogy.
Given the law of averages, I knew that it was inevitable that SOMEONE would have this opinion.  I just never saw it expressed before.


100 million monkeys x 100 million typewriters x 100 million years = "Hamlet" ?   :P   ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 24, 2015, 12:31:19 PM
I don't think it is quite that drastic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 24, 2015, 12:35:49 PM
That Jordan's picture is hurting my brains. :puke:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OsMosis2259 on February 24, 2015, 03:48:02 PM
Jordan Rudess:
On break at the studio.
https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/photos/a.10151821986107989.1073741826.8717682988/10152775696057989/?type=1&theater
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 24, 2015, 09:04:16 PM
DT on drugs confirmed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 25, 2015, 12:43:36 AM
They could write a new album using the same structures as the songs on SFAM without telling anyone and let DTF endlessly debate it.  :biggrin:

But they have not copied FII yet! :biggrin:

If that means having another song that is Peruvian Skies 2, I approve!

Also, it's my first time to watch this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdBeeph0aFM
I did not know that they already did Peruvian Skies with Mangini!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Eldomm on February 25, 2015, 01:42:36 AM

If that means having another song that is Peruvian Skies 2, I approve!


..but they already did it with Endless Sacrifice!!!  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 25, 2015, 03:43:36 AM

If that means having another song that is Peruvian Skies 2, I approve!


..but they already did it with Endless Sacrifice!!!  :P

You have a point.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 25, 2015, 03:48:45 AM
Jordan's got a problem with free image editing apps.

 ::) Seriously. It's like he's got this image of being a wizard and a master of technology so he can't just post a pic without fucking it up.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on February 25, 2015, 04:17:04 AM
DT on drugs confirmed.
Psychedelia baby!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 25, 2015, 04:46:31 AM
Except for the fact that The Unforgiven III is the best of the trilogy.
Given the law of averages, I knew that it was inevitable that SOMEONE would have this opinion.  I just never saw it expressed before.

I almost typed the same response myself.

Unforgiven III is dreadful. They should have binned it and replaced it with one of the Beyond Magnetic songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on February 25, 2015, 09:02:07 AM
I like Unforgiven III. Though it's probably not quite as good as the other two.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 25, 2015, 09:10:51 AM
I've never even heard it.  Should I even bother?  I thought Unforgiven II was terrible.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 25, 2015, 09:20:29 AM
I don't mind Unforgiven III. But it is also not a song that I'd listen to outside of the context of the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 25, 2015, 09:54:50 AM
I've never even heard it.  Should I even bother? 
No.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on February 25, 2015, 10:33:40 AM
Jordan's got a problem with free image editing apps.

 ::) Seriously. It's like he's got this image of being a wizard and a master of technology so he can't just post a pic without fucking it up.

He has to or we'll transcribe the new music in the background and release it before the album  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Randaran on February 25, 2015, 02:47:28 PM
Unforgiven III is dreadful. They should have binned it and replaced it with one of the Beyond Magnetic songs.

Though the song itself is not that great, it had the best solo on the album. Though that is not an impressive accomplishment, considering how most of them are terrible.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on February 25, 2015, 04:30:52 PM
Unforgiven III is dreadful. They should have binned it and replaced it with one of the Beyond Magnetic songs.

Though the song itself is not that great, it had the best solo on the album. Though that is not an impressive accomplishment, considering how most of them are terrible.

I love all 3 of those songs. I read that TU3 was the only song that James was fighting for to have a place on the album, cuz he wanted to complete the trilogy and it's personal to him.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on February 25, 2015, 04:32:27 PM
See, I never understood the hate for Unforgiven III. It's not as good as I, but it's a solid addition to the trilogy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on February 25, 2015, 04:41:22 PM
See, I never understood the hate for Unforgiven III. It's not as good as I, but it's a solid addition to the trilogy.

Thank you, glad someone else thinks this! ;D
I completely agree. I think they're all not too bad in their own right. Maybe they're all just living in the shadow of the first one and you probably can't beat the nostalgic associations and the reputation of the first one; but the second and third are still solid tracks in their own regard. Not to mention the Unforgiven series can be a nice change of pace for Metallica.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: MirzekDT on February 25, 2015, 05:20:04 PM
See, I never understood the hate for Unforgiven III. It's not as good as I, but it's a solid addition to the trilogy.

Thank you, glad someone else thinks this! ;D
I completely agree. I think they're all not too bad in their own right. Maybe they're all just living in the shadow of the first one and you probably can't beat the nostalgic associations and the reputation of the first one; but the second and third are still solid tracks in their own regard. Not to mention the Unforgiven series can be a nice change of pace for Metallica.

I like Unforgiven III as well. It's definitely in top half and one of the more interesting tracks of Death Magnetic for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on February 25, 2015, 06:15:45 PM
:emo: Unforgiven II is actually my favourite.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 25, 2015, 11:48:28 PM
:emo: Unforgiven II is actually my favourite.

Mine too. :hifive:
I recall Hetfield has said Unforgiven 3 shouldn't have been named Unforgiven, and it was an afterthought to do so. I think it would also be a huge mistake for DT to do a Metropolis pt 3. I don't know why either discussion has come up.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on February 26, 2015, 12:25:05 AM
Because there's little to no news yet and everyone's bored. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on February 26, 2015, 12:41:37 AM
Blob does have a point though.  We resorted to talking about crappy Metallica songs.   Why don't we try and figure out how many songs are going to be on the album or how many instrumentals, if any?  Will there be a John Myung lyric again?  Will there be more Jordan on the CD?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on February 26, 2015, 03:47:19 AM
From Jordan: "After a busy day in the studio it's great to connect with my new Linnstrument as well as practicing on my next iOS app release GeoShred! Shred alert."
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on February 26, 2015, 07:55:35 AM
We are probably getting JLB lyrics, after his self imposed exclusion from the lyrical writing of DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 26, 2015, 08:30:09 AM
I hope we get more of the other guys, lyrically as well as musically. Since Portnoy left DT, it has felt a bit more like JP's project, instead of a band.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Podaar on February 26, 2015, 09:09:30 AM
I disagree somewhat. Sure, JP has a lot of control but I think there has been plenty of JR's influence in the last two albums and certainly JM's contribution has been felt as well.

I think it's fair to say that if JLB contributed more, that would be a welcome change. I wouldn't mind if MM's role transitioned a bit more 'in front' too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: the_silent_man on February 26, 2015, 11:03:09 AM
Labrie really needs to step and and write some more lyrics. As the lead vocalist who doesn't play an instrument, it'd be nice to get at least 3 songs from him per album. If you put it in perspective, in the 8 years since "Prophets of War" in 2007, he's contributed a 4 min song that's essentially an intro-piece to BAI.

Need me some more Labrie lyrics!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: krands85 on February 26, 2015, 11:53:55 AM
Didn't he submit more for ADTOE, but they were rejected or something?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2015, 01:53:43 PM
Labrie really needs to step and and write some more lyrics. As the lead vocalist who doesn't play an instrument, it'd be nice to get at least 3 songs from him per album. If you put it in perspective, in the 8 years since "Prophets of War" in 2007, he's contributed a 4 min song that's essentially an intro-piece to BAI.

Need me some more Labrie lyrics!

Didn't he submit more for ADTOE, but they were rejected or something?

Yeah, I recall reading that he submits quite a few lyrics to the process......whether they use them or not is the question. I really dig his lyrics though....I'd like to hear an album where he and Myung were the only lyricists.....split the songs half and half and call it a day. I like JP's lyrics to an extent.....but JLB and JMX's lyrics IMO are just a bit more 'thoughtful' than JP's. Or at least....more 'poetic' and not strictly based on song structure.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2015, 02:03:06 PM
Labrie really needs to step and and write some more lyrics. As the lead vocalist who doesn't play an instrument, it'd be nice to get at least 3 songs from him per album. If you put it in perspective, in the 8 years since "Prophets of War" in 2007, he's contributed a 4 min song that's essentially an intro-piece to BAI.

1.  Just because he does not write lyrics does not mean he is not contributing.
2.  As long as James and the rest of the band are happy with his level of contribution (or "not-contribution," as the case may be), why does it even matter?  And by the way, he is credited for being a composer on 3 of the songs on ADTOE and 6 songs on DT12 if I am not mistaken.
3.  Far From Heaven is not "essentially an intro-piece to BAI."  That description doesn't even fit--especially from a lyrical perspective. 

I would say he has "stepped up" just fine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2015, 02:06:22 PM
I would say he has "stepped up" just fine.

Besides....it's probably hard to step up with a wooden leg and all.......
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2015, 02:13:45 PM
Not to mention trying to navigate with a wooden leg without the benefit of stereoscopic vision.  Because eye patch.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on February 26, 2015, 02:24:15 PM
Yeah, it's hard to drive a fork truck with an eyepatch on.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 26, 2015, 02:26:57 PM
In fact, it is likely forbidden, so he proably had to get special permission. That should give you an idea of how good he is.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 26, 2015, 02:35:57 PM
Don't forget having to contend with that ridiculous parrot all the time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2015, 02:47:05 PM
I know I wouldn't be able to concentrate being around so much booty.....
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 26, 2015, 03:26:17 PM
Plus... ya know... carrying that shovel around...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on February 26, 2015, 05:44:44 PM
And there's that ship to worry about.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Stray Seed on February 27, 2015, 02:19:27 AM
This thRead is gauld :yarr

*Alestorm yelling and shredding in background*
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 27, 2015, 03:39:05 AM
Yarrrrrr.


Or


Rawwwwwwkkkkkk.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on February 27, 2015, 06:36:15 AM
Labrie really needs to step and and write some more lyrics. As the lead vocalist who doesn't play an instrument, it'd be nice to get at least 3 songs from him per album. If you put it in perspective, in the 8 years since "Prophets of War" in 2007, he's contributed a 4 min song that's essentially an intro-piece to BAI.

2.  As long as James and the rest of the band are happy with his level of contribution (or "not-contribution," as the case may be), why does it even matter?

Because it is an entirely different way to write a song, which would only be expanding DT's songwriting arsenal?  DT has stated many times that they write the music first, lyrics/melody second.  As a result, the songs are more rifftastic, but the melodies (which most people latch onto) take a back seat.  It isn't that one way (writing lyrics/melody to the instrumental) is better than the other (orchestrating to a melody), but it would definitely be one of the biggest advancements DT could make in their songwriting career.

And judging by JP's question to Geddy Lee on the recent That Metal Show, this seems to be something on JP's mind.

Nobody is telling DT how to write a song.  We've just been listening to DT for so long that we are searching for new areas of enjoyment.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on February 27, 2015, 07:21:28 AM
Labrie really needs to step and and write some more lyrics. As the lead vocalist who doesn't play an instrument, it'd be nice to get at least 3 songs from him per album. If you put it in perspective, in the 8 years since "Prophets of War" in 2007, he's contributed a 4 min song that's essentially an intro-piece to BAI.

2.  As long as James and the rest of the band are happy with his level of contribution (or "not-contribution," as the case may be), why does it even matter?

Because it is an entirely different way to write a song, which would only be expanding DT's songwriting arsenal?  DT has stated many times that they write the music first, lyrics/melody second.  As a result, the songs are more rifftastic, but the melodies (which most people latch onto) take a back seat.  It isn't that one way (writing lyrics/melody to the instrumental) is better than the other (orchestrating to a melody), but it would definitely be one of the biggest advancements DT could make in their songwriting career.

And judging by JP's question to Geddy Lee on the recent That Metal Show, this seems to be something on JP's mind.

Nobody is telling DT how to write a song.  We've just been listening to DT for so long that we are searching for new areas of enjoyment.

I was thinking about that too.  You've got a chance to meet one of your idols and ask him a question.  JP chose to ask this one.  I think it's a good thing, especially given Geddy's answer.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 27, 2015, 08:10:43 AM
DT has stated many times that they write the music first, lyrics/melody second.  As a result, the songs are more rifftastic, but the melodies (which most people latch onto) take a back seat.

That is definitely true. The vocal melodies are never bad, but you can tell they were added after the music was written. Like, now that I think of it, when was the last DT song where JLB was singing on his own, i.e. without any instruments?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on February 27, 2015, 01:04:42 PM
DT has stated many times that they write the music first, lyrics/melody second.  As a result, the songs are more rifftastic, but the melodies (which most people latch onto) take a back seat.

That is definitely true. The vocal melodies are never bad, but you can tell they were added after the music was written. Like, now that I think of it, when was the last DT song where JLB was singing on his own, i.e. without any instruments?

IT?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on February 27, 2015, 01:10:32 PM
What part? The "Mothers for their children" part? That stretches the definition of "vocals only" :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on February 27, 2015, 01:12:06 PM
Yeah that's what I was referring to.

One part that isn't vocals only, but feels very melody-first, is the "Could this be the end" part of TCOT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on February 27, 2015, 05:07:50 PM
Don't get me wrong.  I'm not saying DT has no melody, that they are bad or that they aren't even pretty good.  You just create different melodies with your voice than with an instrument.  Instrumentalists practice with metronomes.  It gives a nice strong tight sound.  Vocalists don't.  It gives a freer flow.  Vocalists are more likely to do things like:

Start singing lines of the chorus while the instruments are still on the last bar or beat(s) of the verse or pre-chorus.
Sing consecutive notes in the same pitch with the slightest of inflections that sound downright lame on a piano or guitar.
Borrow notes from other scales that ends up creating some great progression possibilities with borrowed chords.

I go through these phases when I write a song myself.  Force myself to start with the melody first.  Force myself to start with the guitar (kind of easy being a guitarist).  Force myself to play along to a drum beat I came up with (especially in odd times).

I end up writing some very crappy stuff, but then it comes out more naturally down the line.

So in regards to LaBrie, what better way to develop that side of DT than to let the actual singer lead the way?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on February 27, 2015, 05:11:22 PM
One part that isn't vocals only, but feels very melody-first, is the "Could this be the end" part of TCOT.

I feel that about much of Forsaken as well. Even though that song most likely began with Rudess doing the intro piano stuff, the chorus just feels like vocal melodies really took center stage while hammering out those chords.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mosh on February 27, 2015, 08:12:33 PM
What part? The "Mothers for their children" part? That stretches the definition of "vocals only" :lol
Yea but how many bands have many sections with only vocals? I think that's a bit of an unfair challenge. It'd be better to examine sections where the vocals are the main focus. Like the beginning of Surrounded or Far From Heaven.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on February 27, 2015, 11:40:57 PM
What part? The "Mothers for their children" part? That stretches the definition of "vocals only" :lol
Yea but how many bands have many sections with only vocals? I think that's a bit of an unfair challenge. It'd be better to examine sections where the vocals are the main focus. Like the beginning of Surrounded or Far From Heaven.

I agree with the above strongly.

A lot of times, it's really obvious that the music was written before the vocals.  Something like About to Crash has so much stuff going on under the vocals.  It feels like they recorded the music and were like "oh yeah, singing has to happen here.  We have to fit it somehow."  The music under the vocals is just so melodically and rhythmically dense.  It feels like a disservice to JLB a bit.

On the other hand, you look at a song like IT where, even though JLB isn't in the song a lot, he's clearly the main focus of every section he's in.  There's no overly dense rhythms or competing lead melodies to distract you.  It's about quality, not quantity, and the quality is there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: nikatapi on February 28, 2015, 10:14:20 AM

A lot of times, it's really obvious that the music was written before the vocals.  Something like About to Crash has so much stuff going on under the vocals.  It feels like they recorded the music and were like "oh yeah, singing has to happen here.  We have to fit it somehow."  The music under the vocals is just so melodically and rhythmically dense.  It feels like a disservice to JLB a bit.


Well, i really liked that, and i think it's something that feels boring these days. JP usually plays some powerchords during the choruses, while on older albums he kept things interesting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 28, 2015, 10:24:16 AM

A lot of times, it's really obvious that the music was written before the vocals.  Something like About to Crash has so much stuff going on under the vocals.  It feels like they recorded the music and were like "oh yeah, singing has to happen here.  We have to fit it somehow."  The music under the vocals is just so melodically and rhythmically dense.  It feels like a disservice to JLB a bit.


Well, i really liked that, and i think it's something that feels boring these days. JP usually plays some powerchords during the choruses, while on older albums he kept things interesting.

Yeah. I don't think a more melodic backing takes anything away from JLB, it just makes the music more densely melodic, and gives JLB more to contrast and harmonize with to create interest.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Stray Seed on February 28, 2015, 10:44:57 AM
Well said, Blob :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Tim van Duijn on March 01, 2015, 07:36:29 AM
I don't care what they'll write and how they write it, as long as it's awesome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: theanalogkid7 on March 01, 2015, 02:30:52 PM
Im hoping for a concept album of some kind.  A Dark Side of the Moon type album.  That'd be awesome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on March 01, 2015, 06:06:24 PM

A lot of times, it's really obvious that the music was written before the vocals.  Something like About to Crash has so much stuff going on under the vocals.  It feels like they recorded the music and were like "oh yeah, singing has to happen here.  We have to fit it somehow."  The music under the vocals is just so melodically and rhythmically dense.  It feels like a disservice to JLB a bit.


Well, i really liked that, and i think it's something that feels boring these days. JP usually plays some powerchords during the choruses, while on older albums he kept things interesting.

Yeah. I don't think a more melodic backing takes anything away from JLB, it just makes the music more densely melodic, and gives JLB more to contrast and harmonize with to create interest.

I also, and I realize I've said this before, miss the days of multiple voices on the album. Nowadays, all the album backing vocals are done by JLB, which is fine, but I miss hearing JP and MP do some of the backing vocals. It gave the whole thing more of an authentic "band" feel. I guess MP is the one who agrees with me, since it's been done in just about every project he's been in, and it was evidently pretty easy for the rest of the guys to get rid of once MP was gone.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mosh on March 01, 2015, 06:34:48 PM
I miss that too. I've never been a big fan of backing vocals done by the lead singer. It just seems kinda lame and makes the recording sound more artificial. When you get a bunch of people to do backing vocals it adds a new dimension to the singing and you get different personalities in the voices.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on March 01, 2015, 11:22:39 PM
There are definitely times when it makes sense for it to be James (Imagine BMUBMD with John singing those backing screams). But I miss the multiple voice approach as well. It usually added to the songs even though Mike and especially John are quite limited in terms of emotive capacity (and John has very little range). I think the biggest thing is how that translates to the live performances, where post-MP, we've seen some very awkward turns from John (with the whole lipsyncing debate) up there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 01, 2015, 11:42:51 PM

A lot of times, it's really obvious that the music was written before the vocals.  Something like About to Crash has so much stuff going on under the vocals.  It feels like they recorded the music and were like "oh yeah, singing has to happen here.  We have to fit it somehow."  The music under the vocals is just so melodically and rhythmically dense.  It feels like a disservice to JLB a bit.


Well, i really liked that, and i think it's something that feels boring these days. JP usually plays some powerchords during the choruses, while on older albums he kept things interesting.

It doesn't have to be all one way or another.  During the second verse of Live, Die, Kill in IT, there's a lot of cool instrumental stuff going on.  But it's all either pure rhythm from the drums/bass/guitar or the keyboards directly complimenting the vocals by almost doubling the line or playing counterpoint to it.  The vocals are very clearly the focus.  Is that not interesting?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OsMosis2259 on March 02, 2015, 09:32:38 AM
Mike Mangini
The stoppage of scheduled plans and work from forces out of one's control could really be a terrible thing. Snow happens. Well, record snow is rare. Anyway, I'm healing my muscle pulls, getting dental work, cut the hair, changed the diet, learning more ultra-prog AND opposite feeling electronic drumming than I'd ever take time to soak up, viewing online courses to catch up on things I should know about composing and studio gear I really didn't understand, spending more time with my family, compiling some non-drum riff seeds and taking a break from "science project" drum pattern building and killing myself and my need for hours for that in trying to get more coordinated and faster by brute force. I am posting an iPhone video of my 19&17 pattern on my YouTube Channel today (if it loads correctly.) Y'll know the cliche phrase ..."go with the flow ...." I hope anybody side tracked this this is also making lemonade out of lemons. I don't post a lot and get involved too much on the internet as you know, but I hope all this work produces things you can hear and hopefully enjoy and that all who have their course changed by outside forces, to see opportunity in it. This all looks overwhelming in print, but cleaning house really will be a big time saver in the end.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SystematicThought on March 02, 2015, 09:36:11 AM
I wish he would mention the studio  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Edergilmour on March 02, 2015, 10:19:27 AM
I'm starting to hope they are making all this mystery on purpose. (Cause they have something big and they want to keep it a secret) haha
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 02, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
I'm sure they are writing away.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 02, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
3 weeks later he is still stuck at home because of snow?

o_O
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on March 02, 2015, 03:28:26 PM
He says this is not meant to be musical but I hope that some of the things he showed here gets in the record, specially the 17 and 19 combo with the 32nd notes on the bass.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ37nonagho&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 02, 2015, 04:06:45 PM
There are definitely times when it makes sense for it to be James (Imagine BMUBMD with John singing those backing screams). But I miss the multiple voice approach as well. It usually added to the songs even though Mike and especially John are quite limited in terms of emotive capacity (and John has very little range). I think the biggest thing is how that translates to the live performances, where post-MP, we've seen some very awkward turns from John (with the whole lipsyncing debate) up there.

I sometimes miss the members backing on vocals too.  It got too much towards the end of Portnoy's tenure but when it is balanced it is pretty cool. 

I hate to bring up a previous intense debate but I definitely DO NOT mind the backing tracks for vocals.  So much better than some of the attempts by other members to replicate James's voice. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 02, 2015, 04:20:32 PM
He says this is not meant to be musical but I hope that some of the things he showed here gets in the record, specially the 17 and 19 combo with the 32nd notes on the bass.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ37nonagho&feature=youtu.be

That was really cool! 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2015, 04:52:00 PM
He says it's not musical but that was probably the most musical "exercise' i've heard him play.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on March 03, 2015, 09:51:30 AM
I hate to bring up a previous intense debate but I definitely DO NOT mind the backing tracks for vocals.  So much better than some of the attempts by other members to replicate James's voice.
Totally agreed; I've been listening to older DT live albums like LSFNY on Spotify recently and was struck by how cringeworthy the backing vocals were on some songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 03, 2015, 10:00:18 AM
There are definitely times when it makes sense for it to be James (Imagine BMUBMD with John singing those backing screams). But I miss the multiple voice approach as well. It usually added to the songs even though Mike and especially John are quite limited in terms of emotive capacity (and John has very little range). I think the biggest thing is how that translates to the live performances, where post-MP, we've seen some very awkward turns from John (with the whole lipsyncing debate) up there.

Agreed. The simpler singing voices work well for backups in the studio imo. I felt that vocal element was missing on ADTOE (I still wanted to hear prominent backups from JP), and live the backing tracks look silly.
I think they should take an all or nothing approach. Have the backup vocals entirely live, or entirely use backing tracks without anyone standing at a mic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TL on March 03, 2015, 10:05:53 AM
3 weeks later he is still stuck at home because of snow?

o_O
The north-east has gotten an insane amount of snow over the past few weeks, and in such a way that there's also a ridiculous amount of solid ice everywhere. Like, to an extent where those of us in the north-east think it's a lot of snow. I know that here in Halifax, every time some progress is made in clearing it, more rolls in. Boston has been one of the hardest hit areas too. I could see it being less than easy to get from Boston to New York at the moment.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 03, 2015, 10:13:42 AM
You may not be aware of that fact, but I live in Boston. There is no part of Massachusetts where for the last two weeks a person could not just have gotten into a car and driven/flown to New York.
I'm not suggesting anything, but snow is not the reason MM is not in the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on March 03, 2015, 10:29:11 AM
Not defending Mike (I have no idea and won't even hazard a guess as to why he is where he is), but I know for me, I put off some non-essential work travel because I didn't want to leave my house unattended.  If you get an ice dam, you can get some pretty significant damage in a very short amount of time.  Granted, you can also get people to take care of that sort of thing, but still.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 03, 2015, 10:31:24 AM
You may not be aware of that fact, but I live in Boston. There is no part of Massachusetts where for the last two weeks a person could not just have gotten into a car and driven/flown to New York.
I'm not suggesting anything, but snow is not the reason MM is not in the studio.

yeah, it's not as if people are trapped in their homes. Something else is the reason.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 03, 2015, 11:20:55 AM
You may not be aware of that fact, but I live in Boston. There is no part of Massachusetts where for the last two weeks a person could not just have gotten into a car and driven/flown to New York.
I'm not suggesting anything, but snow is not the reason MM is not in the studio.

But the T rumbo, the T!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 03, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
Not defending Mike (I have no idea and won't even hazard a guess as to why he is where he is), but I know for me, I put off some non-essential work travel because I didn't want to leave my house unattended.  If you get an ice dam, you can get some pretty significant damage in a very short amount of time.  Granted, you can also get people to take care of that sort of thing, but still.

That was maybe a good reason three weeks ago. Boston has actually gotten only smatterings of snow in the last three weeks. And we're not talking flying to another country. He could be back in Boston within an hour if a new snow storm was predicted.
I think the reason is really that JP and JR *write* the songs, and there's little point in having MM sit around.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 03, 2015, 11:45:11 AM

I think the reason is really that JP and JR *write* the songs, and there's little point in having MM sit around.

An unfortunate truth, If it is true. As good as those two are at writing songs, I think some significant input from JM and MM would do the end result good. They're the rhythm section, and they're both in the top echelon of their chosen craft (Especially MM).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
They're the rhythm section, and they're both in the top echelon of their chosen craft (Especially MM).
I always felt like JM could be right up there as well, but he just doesn't want to go the extra mile in getting more exposure and making a bigger name out of himself. Although I did hear it once that he has some fundamental flaws in his technique, but I didn't buy it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dream Team on March 03, 2015, 12:57:28 PM
Speaking of JM, it would be nice if EVERY song had an interesting bass line instead of just doubling the guitar. DT12 was a step in the right direction.

Now onto my real reason for posting - production quality. I just listened to some 70s and 80s metal albums with awesome, crystal-clear production where every instrument has space. Stuff like Metal Heart from Accept, and a couple of Priest's older albums. What are the chances that the new DT and Metallica albums will have quality production like that? Less than zero?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 03, 2015, 02:02:24 PM
I think the reason is really that JP and JR *write* the songs, and there's little point in having MM sit around.

JM and JLB are there too I assume.

The real issue I think is they liked the environment of the ADTOE sessions a lot.  You can't have that with a drum kit in the room.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 03, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
What's peculiar I find is also, given how he sits at home and practicing rhythms and concepts "that might become useful", it sounds to me he isn't even privy to the progress made in the studio. Like, if they sent him rough cuts here and there, I'm pretty sure he would work on those, not on making his legs stronger or 17+19 patterns.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 03, 2015, 03:10:38 PM
Speaking of JM, it would be nice if EVERY song had an interesting bass line instead of just doubling the guitar. DT12 was a step in the right direction.

Yeah.  JP shouldn't double JM's bassline.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 03, 2015, 03:14:19 PM
I just wish Mangini would be there during the writing process.  If he doesn't feel like he is the songwriting type, a simple "I like that guys" can be almost effective during the songwriting process.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 03, 2015, 03:58:59 PM
Speaking of JM, it would be nice if EVERY song had an interesting bass line instead of just doubling the guitar. DT12 was a step in the right direction.

Yeah.  JP shouldn't double JM's bassline.
Yeah, no kidding.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 03, 2015, 04:52:46 PM
Not defending Mike (I have no idea and won't even hazard a guess as to why he is where he is), but I know for me, I put off some non-essential work travel because I didn't want to leave my house unattended.  If you get an ice dam, you can get some pretty significant damage in a very short amount of time.  Granted, you can also get people to take care of that sort of thing, but still.

Exactly.  Not only that but when you have a wife and two young kids, it really sucks to leave them and run the risk of not being able to get back and leaving her stuck with all of the problems at the house.  Maybe it was a mutual decision of the band to say, "Hey, if you dont really need me right now i'd rather stay home with the family just in case" even if he technically could make it there with minimal problems. 

One of the times I met MM I specifically asked him if he would be writing with DT for what turned out to be DT12 and he gave a very diplomatic answer but seemed excited to write with them.  Likewise, he seemed excited about not being forced to write with them for ADTOE (since he had a lot of odds and ends to wrap up).  He is just an excitable guy.   

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 03, 2015, 05:52:31 PM
I just wish Mangini would be there during the writing process.  If he doesn't feel like he is the songwriting type, a simple "I like that guys" can be almost effective during the songwriting process.

He was.

For DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 03, 2015, 06:47:47 PM
I just wish Mangini would be there during the writing process.  If he doesn't feel like he is the songwriting type, a simple "I like that guys" can be almost effective during the songwriting process.

He was.

For DT12.

And his drumming was better incorporated.  Don't know how much he got in the mix of songwriting non-drum parts as opposed to sitting on the bench waiting to record his parts.

Does Mangini have any songs out there that he was a main (at least co-equal) songwriter?  I honestly don't even know what his songwriting style is.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Grizz on March 03, 2015, 10:19:32 PM
I think the reason is really that JP and JR *write* the songs, and there's little point in having MM sit around.

JM and JLB are there too I assume.

The real issue I think is they liked the environment of the ADTOE sessions a lot.  You can't have that with a drum kit in the room.
James isn't there, according to his FB.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on March 03, 2015, 10:24:22 PM
So either DT is in the middle of their most scattered and disorganized writing/recording in years (if not ever), or there's some sort of giant misdirect/something they're not telling us.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on March 03, 2015, 10:26:01 PM
From JLB: Hey Everyone,
 Hope all is great at your end. Can't wait to get in the studio with my Bruthas and create the next album. Raaaawwwwk.

----

Also, sensing too much judgment on MM in this thread for staying home with the family during a record snowfall. MM took down his lengthy post about what he's doing at home and replaced it with a generic short update. I hope it's not him getting annoyed at people questioning his decision as if music is more important than family, as if he's not committed enough for these vocal fans.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on March 03, 2015, 10:32:21 PM
Not questioning MM--I just wish we'd get some sort of idea from the people who actually are at the studio. You know, just a "Hey, writing on DT13 is moving forward! Mike got held up in Boston but he's still going to be contributing, and we're excited to get James down soon as well!" The fact that we keep getting these posts about stuff going on that isn't the album is the odd part. Maybe this is just being spoiled by MP for all the years--the idea that they'd be in the studio for a month in that era and say nothing is unfathomable. At least it's not the Symphony X situation, where one band member's going "Hey, I did my tracks, no idea what else is going on." Which maybe underscores that DT is hardly the only band that has these periods of non-updates during studio time, but it's still frustrating because of the minimal effort required to put the fan's minds at ease.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 03, 2015, 10:38:24 PM
Talking about the band in terms of musical contribution seems far more appropriate than discussing their weight issues, hairline, clothing and even family.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on March 04, 2015, 02:46:08 AM
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.

WILL YOU NEVER BE OPEN AGAIN HAPPY?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 04, 2015, 03:10:57 AM
My theory is that *this* is the routine, and that previous albums' other member's contributions were somewhat overstated for the sake of pleasing the fans.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 04, 2015, 04:06:26 AM
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.

WILL YOU NEVER BE OPEN AGAIN HAPPY?

Neither of those approaches are particularly good. I think people would just like to see the full band writing together and give the songs more time to develop.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on March 04, 2015, 04:43:28 AM
I think typically, JP writes most DT songs himself, and then brings the others in to fill out and expand on his parts. We'll never have confirmation of this, because JP is the type of humble guy who's not going to come out and "that was ALL ME" like MP would have. Ultimately, though, I think JP is being generous by letting the music of the songs be credited to "Dream Theater". I think it's probably 70% JP, 15% JR 6% JM, 5% MM, and maybe 4% JLB.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on March 04, 2015, 05:47:51 AM
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.

WILL YOU NEVER BE OPEN AGAIN HAPPY?

Neither of those approaches are particularly good. I think people would just like to see the full band writing together and give the songs more time to develop.

If those approaches are not good, why were they able to produce good songs?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 04, 2015, 05:55:54 AM
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.

WILL YOU NEVER BE OPEN AGAIN HAPPY?

Neither of those approaches are particularly good. I think people would just like to see the full band writing together and give the songs more time to develop.

If those approaches are not good, why were they able to produce good songs?

Just because the approach isn't ideal, doesn't mean it can't produce some good music, after all they're pros. But for me the hit rate has been dropping off on recent albums, and it could benefit from that change in approach.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 04, 2015, 06:19:05 AM
We really don't know the thought process behind everything.  This is all just speculation. We don't know what was decided ahead of time, if James and MM are sending ideas to the rest of the guys via email or downloads, or if even MM and JLB wanted to be there if they weren't needed at that moment in time. It's a lot of time away from their families if their presence isn't truly needed.  I'm sure if James had some lyrical or melody ideas he wanted to be considered, he sent them over to the guys. When it's time to record, they'll work out any kinks and what not.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on March 04, 2015, 07:10:32 AM
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.

WILL YOU NEVER BE OPEN AGAIN HAPPY?

Neither of those approaches are particularly good. I think people would just like to see the full band writing together and give the songs more time to develop.

If those approaches are not good, why were they able to produce good songs?

Just because the approach isn't ideal, doesn't mean it can't produce some good music, after all they're pros. But for me the hit rate has been dropping off on recent albums, and it could benefit from that change in approach.

Who is the authority to judge what is an ideal approach to creating music? What works for you doe not necessarily works for them. Just like the hit rate dropping off for you could very well be DT getting a second wind for a lot of others, a lot of which are not vocal posters.

From my personal experience, the last thing I would want is somebody lecturing me on what an ideal approach to doing things is when it is obviously working for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on March 04, 2015, 08:02:29 AM
Yeah I don't understand why any approach would be inherently better or worse than another. Blob (and a number of others) may well find that they're less keen on the more recent output, but I see no evidence or even indications that this would have anything to do with the sorts of things we're talking about.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 04, 2015, 08:19:39 AM
I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.

WILL YOU NEVER BE OPEN AGAIN HAPPY?

Neither of those approaches are particularly good. I think people would just like to see the full band writing together and give the songs more time to develop.

If those approaches are not good, why were they able to produce good songs?

Just because the approach isn't ideal, doesn't mean it can't produce some good music, after all they're pros. But for me the hit rate has been dropping off on recent albums, and it could benefit from that change in approach.

Who is the authority to judge what is an ideal approach to creating music? What works for you doe not necessarily works for them. Just like the hit rate dropping off for you could very well be DT getting a second wind for a lot of others, a lot of which are not vocal posters.

From my personal experience, the last thing I would want is somebody lecturing me on what an ideal approach to doing things is when it is obviously working for me.

Calm down, it's called an opinion.
Obviously their current approach works for their schedule, but I don't feel it's the best approach to create the best music they're capable of as a band, and the last couple of albums support my own opinion. Don't care if you agree with it or not.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 04, 2015, 08:26:18 AM
The only thing we know about what they've been doing in the studio is that we don't know anything. 

Everything else is speculation.

We know that MM hasn't been there due to snow.  We know that JLB just got there.  That's all we know.

Once it was apparent that they wouldn't be there, maybe everything else was put on hold.  Maybe the other three guys wrote some stuff.  Who knows?  Well, the 5 members of DT know, but no one else knows shit.

Either way, the only ones they need to satisfy in whatever writing/recording strategy they settle on is themselves.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 04, 2015, 08:44:31 AM
I always find these "we can not infer anything unless we have a notarized document by DT" notions weird.
JP, JR and MP had been the core writers since SFAM essentially. With MP gone, that left JP and JR. And while they said publicly that the other guys were more involved in the process, evidence for that is spurious at best. JM wrote some lyrics, but James' or MM's influence is not really evident.
I think the basic assumption should be that things were kept as they always had been. JP and JR write the basic songs, and once they got the songs in decent enough shape, they bring in JLB and MM to integrate them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 04, 2015, 08:48:23 AM
I always find these "we can not infer anything unless we have a notarized document by DT" notions weird.
JP, JR and MP had been the core writers since SFAM essentially. With MP gone, that left JP and JR. And while they said publicly that the other guys were more involved in the process, evidence for that is spurious at best. JM wrote some lyrics, but James' or MM's influence is not really evident.
I think the basic assumption should be that things were kept as they always had been. JP and JR write the basic songs, and once they got the songs in decent enough shape, they bring in JLB and MM to integrate them.

And I happen to think that idea works very well. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 04, 2015, 08:54:51 AM
I think it has served them well for a long time. But I think a lot of fans have that "been there done that" feeling. For me personally it's frustrating to watch a band of such talented guys box themselves in like that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 04, 2015, 08:57:07 AM
I think it has served them well for a long time. But I think a lot of fans have that "been there done that" feeling. For me personally it's frustrating to watch a band of such talented guys box themselves in like that.

well let's take a look at their most revered releases and see how they recorded them.  We can look at I&W, Awake,  Metropolis 2, and Six Degrees.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 04, 2015, 09:04:51 AM
I think repeating something they've done before is exactly the opposite to what people would like to see :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on March 04, 2015, 09:09:38 AM
Calm down, it's called an opinion.
Obviously their current approach works for their schedule, but I don't feel it's the best approach to create the best music they're capable of as a band, and the last couple of albums support my own opinion. Don't care if you agree with it or not.

The opinion card again. Just like the so many times that somebody pushes very authoritative strong claims phrased as if a truth proposition like the ideal approach, MM has no groove, MM lacks commitment, HDtracks is a sham, etc. and when somebody actually attempts to engage, the defense becomes it is just an opinion.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 04, 2015, 09:18:03 AM
I think repeating something they've done before is exactly the opposite to what people would like to see :lol

That could be true.  Though I am also honing in on what worked for them the best.   Who would complain about them taking the same measures they did when recording Metropolis 2 or Images and Words?   ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 04, 2015, 09:18:16 AM
Calm down, it's called an opinion.
Obviously their current approach works for their schedule, but I don't feel it's the best approach to create the best music they're capable of as a band, and the last couple of albums support my own opinion. Don't care if you agree with it or not.

The opinion card again. Just like the so many times that somebody pushes very authoritative strong claims phrased as if a truth proposition like the ideal approach, MM has no groove, MM lacks commitment, HDtracks is a sham, etc. and when somebody actually attempts to engage, the defense becomes it is just an opinion.

Nobody is making authoritative claims. I only pointed out that it's an opinion since some people don't seem to recognize one without a big bold disclaimer that says "IN MY OPINION", regardless of how clear it is that it's an opinion. Counters to these opinions are also just opinions. Now let's move along.....
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 04, 2015, 09:21:26 AM
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Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on March 04, 2015, 09:25:41 AM
I think repeating something they've done before is exactly the opposite to what people would like to see :lol

Who are these people? Are they many? Do a substantial amount of DT fans actually even care what they do in the studio?

I mean, the DTF album ranking thread seems to show that many people hate DT12, but if you look at the DT 12 poll, the above average votes  significantly outnumber the below average. This has been an observation for a while, that vocal posts are full of negativity about the last record but silent polls tell a different story.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 04, 2015, 09:36:20 AM
I think repeating something they've done before is exactly the opposite to what people would like to see :lol

Who are these people? Are they many? Do a substantial amount of DT fans actually even care what they do in the studio?

I mean, the DTF album ranking thread seems to show that many people hate DT12, but if you look at the DT 12 poll, the above average votes  significantly outnumber the below average. This has been an observation for a while, that vocal posts are full of negativity about the last record but silent polls tell a different story.

There is a huge amount of vocal praise for the latest album. The ranking thread is just a ranking thread, it's not some vocal minority speaking against DT12, it's any person on the forum giving an overall ranking of albums, that happens to include data about DT12, among other albums. Nothing is stopping anyone from posting their own list and showing their love for DT12.

In the DT12 poll, 58% of people voted it average or below, which given the relative strength of DT's albums, is consistent with many people ranking it lower. Ranking an album low doesn't mean people don't still enjoy it a lot, it just means they enjoy other albums more. It does not mean they hate it, or that there's an inconsistency between the two different sets of data.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 04, 2015, 09:58:57 AM
I always find these "we can not infer anything unless we have a notarized document by DT" notions weird.
Of course you do.  You prefer speculating rather than just accepting that we don't really know.

Even if it turns out later that you were right, you still don't know now.  It won't mean then that you knew all along.

That's all I'm saying.  I don't care how they do it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on March 04, 2015, 10:12:28 AM
I always felt a bit "sad" when I found out that a band I liked has one member who contributes almost all of the material, like Opeth or Porcupine Tree or TesseracT. I think it gave me a sense that it's not a real band but just a group playing one of the guys' songs, but after learning that that is the case with most bands, I have abandoned that way of thinking. In the end, these are all bands whose music I thoroughly enjoy, so it doesn't really matter how it's written, or by whom.

But I still enjoy hearing about bands who write together, knowing from personal experience how fun it can be.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 10:32:10 AM
Just chiming in to say that MM IS involved and has been going back and forth quite a bit.
The album is well under way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Plasmastrike on March 04, 2015, 11:08:03 AM
I always find these "we can not infer anything unless we have a notarized document by DT" notions weird.
Of course you do.  You prefer speculating rather than just accepting that we don't really know.

Even if it turns out later that you were right, you still don't know now.  It won't mean then that you knew all along.

That's all I'm saying.  I don't care how they do it.
I feel like that's an unnecessarily black and white way to look at it, but I see what you're saying mate
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: lithium112 on March 04, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
Just chiming in to say that MM IS involved and has been going back and forth quite a bit.
The album is well under way.

Awesome!  :metal

Btw, out of curiosity (and probably most people are aware already?) but how do you know this and what's your relationship to the band, if you can say?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 04, 2015, 11:19:07 AM
I love DT12 and ADTOE.  Unlike when Portnoy was in the band, not a lot was released about how those albums were made, fueling speculation and controversy.  And I think DT's music's gotten a lot better since he left.

So basically, the more DT fans speculate and argue about the process, the better the music is?  If so, this album should be a classic.

I find it really funny that people have been complaining for years that they want DT to get out of the routine of all going in the studio for a short burst where they do all the writing and recording and then buggering off. Now that it's all more sporadic and scattered, people are complaining about that instead.

WILL YOU NEVER BE OPEN AGAIN HAPPY?

Shout outs to this post.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 04, 2015, 11:27:28 AM
Just chiming in to say that MM IS involved and has been going back and forth quite a bit.
The album is well under way.

Awesome!  :metal

Btw, out of curiosity (and probably most people are aware already?) but how do you know this and what's your relationship to the band, if you can say?

I would like to hear that as well. Especially since it goes against what MM posts on FB.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Crow on March 04, 2015, 11:30:19 AM
Plot twist: TAC was John Petrucci all along!  :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mike099 on March 04, 2015, 11:35:08 AM
The only thing we know about what they've been doing in the studio is that we don't know anything. 

Everything else is speculation.

We know that MM hasn't been there due to snow.  We know that JLB just got there.  That's all we know.

Once it was apparent that they wouldn't be there, maybe everything else was put on hold.  Maybe the other three guys wrote some stuff.  Who knows?  Well, the 5 members of DT know, but no one else knows shit.

Either way, the only ones they need to satisfy in whatever writing/recording strategy they settle on is themselves.

We do know that JM has been there all along and has spent all of the coffee budget waiting and has now finished his solo album with no lyrics -  of course.

On a more serious note:  For DT is the music written first and then lyrics and who decides which songs go to which guy for the lyrics?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 04, 2015, 11:35:25 AM
the album is being written entirely by mike portnoy
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 04, 2015, 11:40:36 AM
:lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 04, 2015, 11:47:54 AM
from Indonesia
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Crow on March 04, 2015, 11:50:09 AM
Charlie Dominici is playing bass and Kevin Moore is playing lead guitar on DT13

clearly
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Edergilmour on March 04, 2015, 12:03:08 PM
Petrucci and Rudess got to the studio first 'cause they wanted to develop themes based on the Scenes From A Memory outtakes.
Brace yourselves. Metropolis part 3 is coming.

(obviosly kidding haha)

This suspense is really making our minds work. I choose to believe that MM "is involved and has been going back and forth quite a bit."  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 12:23:11 PM
Rumbo, I have no idea what MM has posted on Facdbook but how does what I posted go against it?

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 04, 2015, 12:46:33 PM
MM's posts indicate he's been home bound for weeks, that he's been practicing drumming techniques and watching audio engineering videos.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 12:49:46 PM
I just pulled up his web page and read through his posts. Yes, I saw the one about being "home for days ago and days to come".

I do not know when the last time he was in NY. I do not believe it was a month ago.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 04, 2015, 12:51:21 PM
There's also the one a few days ago that he edited (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43071.msg1929861#msg1929861), which was in the same vein.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BelichickFan on March 04, 2015, 12:53:39 PM
I just pulled up his web page and read through his posts. Yes, I saw the one about being "home for days ago and days to come".
I've been home every day for about a decade.  However I also leave the house virtually every day, especially to go to work.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 12:55:36 PM
There's also the one a few days ago that he edited (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43071.msg1929861#msg1929861), which was in the same vein.
Yes I saw that.

 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: lithium112 on March 04, 2015, 01:14:28 PM
So TAC, for those of us that don't have access to rumborak's PMs, care to explain why your post is anything other than speculation?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 01:19:11 PM
So TAC, for those of us that don't have access to rumborak's PMs, care to explain why your post is anything other than speculation?
Not really. ;D

The snow has definitely been an issue so maybe the "quite a bit" might be a stretch, but there has been back and forth.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 04, 2015, 01:29:29 PM
I think all of them are reading this thread and laughing their asses off because the album is already finished,
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 04, 2015, 01:30:01 PM
Just chiming in to say that MM IS involved and has been going back and forth quite a bit.
The album is well under way.
TAC has the inside scoop.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 01:32:16 PM
Just chiming in to say that MM IS involved and has been going back and forth quite a bit.
The album is well under way.
TAC has the inside scoop.
As usual Hef is correct in all things.

I would retract the "quite a bit" from my post, but everything else is correct.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: lithium112 on March 04, 2015, 01:32:48 PM
So TAC, for those of us that don't have access to rumborak's PMs, care to explain why your post is anything other than speculation?
Not really. ;D

The snow has definitely been an issue so maybe the "quite a bit" might be a stretch, but there has been back and forth.

Haha alright fair enough. If what you say is true, then I'm just glad MM is still able to contribute!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 04, 2015, 02:20:36 PM
:dangerwillrobinson:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Counselor of Prog on March 04, 2015, 03:03:46 PM
I think all of them are reading this thread and laughing their asses off because the album is already finished,

Yeah, I get that vibe too.  They're also devouring much  :corn and taking bets on how many pages this discussion lasts.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 03:06:43 PM
They're also devouring much  :corn and taking bets on how many pages this discussion lasts.  :lol

Just like every time they enter the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 04, 2015, 03:24:42 PM
There is 1 hidden and 4 guests viewing this thread at the time I am posting this. hmmmmm
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on March 04, 2015, 09:38:11 PM
Ninja! Gotcha!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 04, 2015, 09:41:32 PM
what
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on March 04, 2015, 09:50:03 PM
There is 1 hidden and 4 guests viewing this thread at the time I am posting this. hmmmmm

So the hidden 1 is...the silent myung?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 04, 2015, 09:55:38 PM
If we caught him doing it, then it couldn't have been Myung.   ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 05, 2015, 11:50:34 AM
it's been two years since DT last entered a studio and we're getting antsy already :lol


Imagine being a Tool or Metallica fan.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: vtgrad on March 05, 2015, 12:10:16 PM
I think all of them are reading this thread and laughing their asses off because the album is already finished,

I may disappoint you there... normally, I surf in inprivate until I have something to say; then I log in.  Normally when I'm on inprivate, there is only 1 Hidden.  Not saying that no one else does that, but it was likely me.

However, I could be wrong... our hidden guest(s) might be one of the guys too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on March 05, 2015, 12:10:33 PM
Imagine being a Tool or Metallica fan.

I laughed too much at this :lol

It's time to go to bed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 05, 2015, 12:20:49 PM
Imagine being a Tool or Metallica fan.

I laughed too much at this :lol

It's time to go to bed.


Alone?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on March 05, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
Yeah :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on March 05, 2015, 12:34:47 PM
it's been two years since DT last entered a studio and we're getting antsy already :lol


Imagine being a Tool or Metallica fan.

Worst: imagine a Sade or Portishead fan.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 05, 2015, 01:26:57 PM
Imagine being a Mozart fan. Fucking Requiem still isn't finished.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 05, 2015, 10:15:07 PM
Imagine being a Tool or Metallica fan.

I laughed too much at this :lol

It's time to go to bed.

:zydar:


I think all of them are reading this thread and laughing their asses off because the album is already finished,

I may disappoint you there... normally, I surf in inprivate until I have something to say; then I log in.  Normally when I'm on inprivate, there is only 1 Hidden.  Not saying that no one else does that, but it was likely me.

However, I could be wrong... our hidden guest(s) might be one of the guys too.

Well I was just being facetious, so no disappointment.   ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Octavarious on March 06, 2015, 02:55:40 PM
Imagine being a Mozart fan. Fucking Requiem still isn't finished.
:rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on March 07, 2015, 12:45:17 AM
Imagine being a Mozart fan. Fucking Requiem still isn't finished.

 :rollin

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Trooper on March 07, 2015, 05:19:35 AM
I live in Jersey and in the past 3 weeks have driven to Boston and back 3 times to see a sick family member. weather is not an issue.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 07, 2015, 05:24:21 AM
I live in Jersey and in the past 3 weeks have driven to Boston and back 3 times to see a sick family member. weather is not an issue.

Well then maybe you should have given MM a ride.    ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Trooper on March 07, 2015, 05:28:41 AM
LOL No prob. I would be more than willing Jon.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 07, 2015, 05:30:32 AM
LOL No prob. I would be more than willing John.

FTFY & M   :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Trooper on March 07, 2015, 05:32:59 AM
 :rollin Sorry have not had my coffee yet brotha.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 07, 2015, 05:41:03 AM
Not a problem.   ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: madscot on March 09, 2015, 05:36:10 PM
I'm hoping for a full on concept album, 70 minutes with a full orchestra, mind-blowing thought
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: the_silent_man on March 09, 2015, 05:45:59 PM
So... Does anyone remember the date we first had any news about DT12? Just wondering as thing have been very quiet...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Onno on March 09, 2015, 05:48:20 PM
I'm hoping for an album where they don't focus that much on what they want to write or want to create and instead just start playing/jamming and draw their inspiration from that. DT12 felt very... calculated to me.

I'm also hoping for a sonically better album than DT12. The times that I actually do listen to it, I listen to the HDTracks Version, which sounds ok. I hate the CD master.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on March 09, 2015, 06:35:00 PM
I'm hoping for something like this:

1- Trial of tears
2- Breaking all illusions
3- Wait for sleep
4- Learning to live
5- Metropolis pt. 1
6- A change of seasons

Just sayin'...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on March 09, 2015, 08:54:58 PM
I'm hoping for something like this:

1- Trial of tears
2- Breaking all illusions
3- Wait for sleep
4- Learning to live
5- Metropolis pt. 1
6- A change of seasons

Just sayin'...

We were once told we were getting something like that...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SystematicThought on March 09, 2015, 10:04:49 PM
And as I normally never give away song descriptions, titles, lengths, etc....I will say just this:

Imagine a DT album with A Change Of Seasons, Octavarium, Learning To Live, Pull Me Under and The Glass Prison....all on one album....
 
COULD YOU HANDLE IT???

MP
 

 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fischermasamune on March 09, 2015, 10:14:53 PM
Let me guess: it was BC&SL?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SystematicThought on March 09, 2015, 10:18:08 PM
Haha, yeah. I mean, he was right in a sense--song lengths alone.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on March 10, 2015, 07:26:28 AM
I'm hoping for something like this:

1- Trial of tears
2- Breaking all illusions
3- Wait for sleep
4- Learning to live
5- Metropolis pt. 1
6- A change of seasons

Just sayin'...

We were once told we were getting something like that...

I remember...  :yeahright
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Edergilmour on March 10, 2015, 08:13:00 AM
I remember that was a little misleading at the time. haha

Comparing to this MP statement, I rather have the silent treatment.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dream Team on March 10, 2015, 08:38:21 AM
And as I normally never give away song descriptions, titles, lengths, etc....I will say just this:

Imagine a DT album with A Change Of Seasons, Octavarium, Learning To Live, Pull Me Under and The Glass Prison....all on one album....
 
COULD YOU HANDLE IT???

MP
 

 

This was a far worse offense than his recent facebook rant.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 10, 2015, 09:55:15 AM
And as I normally never give away song descriptions, titles, lengths, etc....I will say just this:

Imagine a DT album with A Change Of Seasons, Octavarium, Learning To Live, Pull Me Under and The Glass Prison....all on one album....
 
COULD YOU HANDLE IT???

MP
 

 

I remember this clearly. MP really hyped that album. The expectation level was so high that it was very difficult to live up to the billing. I like the production on the album, and the combo of ANTR/ACOT is terrific, but it doesn't come close to the impact that those five songs have.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on March 10, 2015, 11:26:38 AM
Posted this on Mangini's page. Looks like our prayers have been answered! (sorry about the image size)
(https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f6%5f22832%5fAJsMiWIAAAK6VP6RTQuU2OLuOTQ&m=YaDownload&pid=2&fid=%2540B%2540Bulk&inline=1&appid=yahoomail)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 10, 2015, 11:30:52 AM
Can't see anything.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on March 10, 2015, 11:53:47 AM
Oh. Well basically, on his FB page I posted "Mangini, I love you man, I really do, but your snare sound is just so..."
And he replied "Changed. :)"

Pretty sure that means they changed his snare sound for this record. hahaha.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 10, 2015, 12:03:42 PM
That's cool.....but I'm confused, does this mean he's there in the studio with them, or is he still snowed in at home?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fischermasamune on March 10, 2015, 01:39:41 PM
Posted this on Mangini's page. Looks like our prayers have been answered! (sorry about the image size)
(https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f6%5f22832%5fAJsMiWIAAAK6VP6RTQuU2OLuOTQ&m=YaDownload&pid=2&fid=%2540B%2540Bulk&inline=1&appid=yahoomail)

Image is really small. I can see the mountain, but who's there in the picture? Mangini?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 10, 2015, 02:03:23 PM
Can't see anything.


*Ahem* :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on March 10, 2015, 02:06:22 PM
How about this one?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/18108_10204938106366898_5172891883974330874_n.jpg?oh=38b319a221616ca3886c87567e1b7bda&oe=557634CB&__gda__=1433501942_7cc0c6364ae2c4a2ebbe1a0645b3c9e2)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on March 10, 2015, 02:09:42 PM
Posted this on Mangini's page. Looks like our prayers have been answered! (sorry about the image size)
(https://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f6%5f22832%5fAJsMiWIAAAK6VP6RTQuU2OLuOTQ&m=YaDownload&pid=2&fid=%2540B%2540Bulk&inline=1&appid=yahoomail)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/46/170645523_eacbb1ad37.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 10, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
How about this one?


Just that one word gives me more hope :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 10, 2015, 02:17:52 PM
I can see it Cody.




PROOF!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 10, 2015, 02:18:49 PM
That's cool.....but I'm confused, does this mean he's there in the studio with them, or is he still snowed in at home?
I believe he's in the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Voices on March 10, 2015, 02:23:57 PM
I remember that was a little misleading at the time. haha

Comparing to this MP statement, I rather have the silent treatment.

This!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 10, 2015, 06:38:55 PM
Oh. Well basically, on his FB page I posted "Mangini, I love you man, I really do, but your snare sound is just so..."
And he replied "Changed. :)"

Pretty sure that means they changed his snare sound for this record. hahaha.

And this might be an example where the bitching helped Mangini.  Perhaps he was already having this conversation the previous albums and getting vetoed.  DT and the people in the studio see the bad fan response and give in saying "ok, Mike.  Let's try it the way you've been talking about."

Who knows?  The point is simply that not all bitching is done with vindictive intent.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 11, 2015, 02:59:43 AM
I'll believe it when I hear it tbh. DT12 was supposed to have chocolate cake guitars and MM unleashed, neither of which really happened.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: nobloodyname on March 11, 2015, 03:17:47 AM
...and, of course, the dynamics on a couple of recent albums were supposed to have been better. 'Better' is relative so in that regard it could be said they were indeed 'better' but the dynamics on the standard releases have been sorely lacking.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JiM-Xtreme on March 11, 2015, 04:05:24 AM
Oh. Well basically, on his FB page I posted "Mangini, I love you man, I really do, but your snare sound is just so..."
And he replied "Changed. :)"

Pretty sure that means they changed his snare sound for this record. hahaha.

Or he could just be messing with you, since you publicly criticized him (sort of).  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 11, 2015, 07:07:33 AM
I'll believe it when I hear it tbh. DT12 was supposed to have chocolate cake guitars and MM unleashed, neither of which really happened.

I agree with you regarding MM, and perhaps I'm not that educated on toooone, but JP's guitars sure sounded thick and cakey to me. Is there a better example of chocolate cake guitars that you know of? I would love to listen to it  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 11, 2015, 07:25:17 AM
For example his SFAM tone I would classify as much more chocolate cake. I mean, it's not terrible on DT12 by any means (LALP has an awful guitar tone), but just not really wowing in any sense.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Voices on March 11, 2015, 12:45:22 PM
I really enjoyed JP's tone in DT12, but it doesn't sound the same he used in BTFW. It sounds way more dirty, and not as clear as in DT12, although I liked it too.
But speaking of MM's tooooone, the one he used in BTFW is way better than DT12. I don't know if it's just a matter of production, but the tone itself sounded way better in the live record. Let's wait to see what will change this time around.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mikemangioy on March 11, 2015, 01:16:35 PM
(https://scontent-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10917185_10153203863791340_5374051038673816498_o.jpg)

SIGNS OF LIFE
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Marion Crane on March 11, 2015, 01:39:02 PM
I just hope there are at least some redeeming qualities about this next record, but DT12 did absolutely nothing for me
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 11, 2015, 01:48:31 PM
(https://scontent-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10917185_10153203863791340_5374051038673816498_o.jpg)

Seeing all those devices in the back, I'm kinda imagining him doing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afwYMdN43Mc&t=25
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 11, 2015, 02:05:19 PM
Apparently JR posted on facebook that he was on vacation, so I'm not sure what's going on.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2015, 02:14:26 PM
Apparently JR posted on facebook that he was on vacation, so I'm not sure what's going on.

 :lol  Maybe he needs inspiration. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Voices on March 11, 2015, 02:37:56 PM
I think JR WAS in studio back in February. Maybe he already did what he had to. Well, I hope so.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Implode on March 11, 2015, 02:41:51 PM
Which of those dials controls the temperature of the sun again?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 11, 2015, 02:46:45 PM
Can't wait to hear whatever song he uses that sweet looking phone on.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Letter M on March 11, 2015, 03:26:29 PM
Which of those dials controls the temperature of the sun again?

Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2015, 03:34:36 PM
Can't wait to hear whatever song he uses that sweet looking phone on.

That would be a prog rendition of Tommy Tutone's  Jenny. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on March 11, 2015, 04:02:24 PM
Can't wait to hear whatever song he uses that sweet looking phone on.

That would be a prog rendition of Tommy Tutone's  Jenny.

Mike Mangini: the world's only drummer who could play in 867/5309 time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 11, 2015, 04:58:06 PM
Can't wait to hear whatever song he uses that sweet looking phone on.

That would be a prog rendition of Tommy Tutone's  Jenny.

Mike Mangini: the world's only drummer who could play in 867/5309 time.

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 11, 2015, 05:07:55 PM
Jenny, Jenny.  Who can I report this to?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on March 11, 2015, 05:47:39 PM
Apparently JR posted on facebook that he was on vacation, so I'm not sure what's going on.

Could it be possible that the album has been completely written already? Because of they had already moved to the tracking phase than having only a couple of members in the studio at the time would make sense.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SystematicThought on March 11, 2015, 08:42:00 PM
In this interview from November, MM mentions getting together in pieces to work on the new record or just get together and do it. Nothing new really, but maybe this was the plan to record it in snippets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APmwPHNdFvA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APmwPHNdFvA)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Trooper on March 11, 2015, 09:31:46 PM
This will piss off a lot of people, but does anyone here know how to produce , play drums, guitar, bass, keyboards, mix etc. If so let me hear your record. I think they have deserved enough credit to TRUST them. Stop putting the cart before the horse. The guys have  been around long enough to know what they are doing. NOBODY hits 100% home runs. You think they sat around one day an said yeah, lets put out a shit record.

When I got married 18 years ago, I remember a friend telling me...........you can have the best wedding in the world. 1/2 will like it 1/2 will not.

I am not saying anyone is not entitled to opinions, but it is way to early to form one regarding the next album
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 11, 2015, 09:42:19 PM
This will piss off a lot of people, but does anyone here know how to produce , play drums, guitar, bass, keyboards, mix etc. If so let me hear your record. I think they have deserved enough credit to TRUST them. Stop putting the cart before the horse.

Until you produce a forum equal to DTF in quality and popularity about Dream Theater and related topics, then you aren't allowed to complain about DTF members.

See how that works?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Trooper on March 11, 2015, 09:57:55 PM
I did not nor did mention DTF or our members, so please do not put words in my mouth. All I meant was people can speculate, which does make for interesting talk. But people are complaining about the way DT are putting this album together, of which NOBODY is sure how they are doing it. Let them do what they want. They know how to make a DT album than anyone here. Unless Calvin6s you are JP.

Judge after it comes out, I am sure whatever the process, good or bad will determine if we get a DT album after this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on March 11, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
This will piss off a lot of people, but does anyone here know how to produce , play drums, guitar, bass, keyboards, mix etc. If so let me hear your record.

I hate the "if you're not a chef don't judge the food" analogy used here because it really doesn't apply here. Compare the waveforms and data about the separate tracks to records of Steven Wilson or Haken, you'll notice DT is a lot louder, more compressed, and more clipped. Objectively, the sound on some of these recent albums (SC, BCSL, ADTOE, DT12) is subpar at best. We speculate the same will most likely happen, though evidence has been brought to the table that at least a couple of things will be better, but a LOT of things need to be better.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Trooper on March 11, 2015, 10:15:22 PM
I will not argue that because I agree. All I meant was nobody has heard a bit of this album or even the current status. Maybe they will improve that aspect and hope they do, I was not going after any DTF member because if I was I would call them by name. All I meant was, and like I said, do not put the cart before the horse.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on March 11, 2015, 10:23:32 PM
All I meant was nobody has heard a bit of this album or even the current status.

Oh, well I did miss something in your post:

I think they have deserved enough credit to TRUST them.

I don't think they have. They make great music, sure, but as I said earlier, none of the recent albums have sounded good at all. The only ounce of hope of improvement we have comes from Mangini's reply "Changed. :)" and the sound of BTFW, which indeed is much better than DT12. We can only hope, and there's reason for a bit of optimism, but no, I do not trust them yet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 11, 2015, 10:53:53 PM
I will not argue that because I agree. All I meant was nobody has heard a bit of this album or even the current status.

So it is the perfect time for DT fans to give some feedback about what they like and dislike.  Once the album is out, the opinions on how to fix them become less useful because the odds of them re-recording/mixing/mastering them are slim to none.

They can make a lot of fans happy by offering a dynamic, minimally compressed album.  And worst case, do it via HDTracks and promote it as much as the CD/itunes/Amazon release so people know they won't have to wait to buy the HD Tracks version.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Trooper on March 11, 2015, 11:43:02 PM
You guys are missing my point. I am not disagreeing with you. All I am saying is ............We do not know what is up yet. So do not judge yet. Yeah, I was actually happy about MM changed comment. SO to me that gives me hope it also means entire band sound recording an album. I did not come back in here for an argument. That was entirely not my intent.

I think bands should listen to feedback. If not, nobody buys their music or  goes to see them.
 
But I am just gonna thro this out there.  Do you honestly think that when Iron Maiden can get 50,000 people to a show on a regular basis it is because the album sounds great. That is not the case. I tend to overlook an albums mix to an extent. Mixes are not that bad (except for ST. Anger}. Do not get me wrong, it is important, but I put musical ability over a mix.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Stray Seed on March 12, 2015, 05:10:01 AM
The Wizard actualy said "I'm chillin out this week. Clearing out the old notes to get ready for the new ones!" Doesn't this mean that he still has to write the music for the new album? At least, this is the way I read it =)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 12, 2015, 07:04:43 AM
The Wizard actualy said "I'm chillin out this week. Clearing out the old notes to get ready for the new ones!" Doesn't this mean that he still has to write the music for the new album? At least, this is the way I read it =)
That's the way I read it too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: devieira73 on March 12, 2015, 07:06:00 AM
The Wizard actualy said "I'm chillin out this week. Clearing out the old notes to get ready for the new ones!" Doesn't this mean that he still has to write the music for the new album? At least, this is the way I read it =)

If I'm not mistaken, for ADToE they written the album in one month (during January 2011). So it's very plausible that they are in the recording phase by now, only with JP and the one that is recording its instrument at the moment.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 12, 2015, 07:48:08 AM
If I had to venture a guess as to the status:
I think it's reasonably safe to assume that no major songwriting is happening without JR being there. So, given how far they're in, and how MM's UK gig is approaching quickly, I would say they've recorded the basic songs, and now they're (re)recording tracks for instruments (iron out flubs, record solos). Since you usually start with drums and bass for that, MM and JM are likely recording this week. And that's why JR can take a week off.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 12, 2015, 07:49:34 AM
If I had to venture a guess as to the status:
I think it's reasonably safe to assume that no major songwriting is happening without JP being there. So, given how far they're in, and how MM's UK gig is approaching quickly, I would say they've recorded the basic songs, and now they're (re)recording tracks for instruments (iron out flubs, record solos). Since you usually start with drums and bass for that, MM and JM are likely recording this week.
I think that makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dream Team on March 12, 2015, 10:12:47 AM
I really enjoyed JP's tone in DT12, but it doesn't sound the same he used in BTFW. It sounds way more dirty, and not as clear as in DT12, although I liked it too.
But speaking of MM's tooooone, the one he used in BTFW is way better than DT12. I don't know if it's just a matter of production, but the tone itself sounded way better in the live record. Let's wait to see what will change this time around.

JP over-thinks things way too much. Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibson or a Strat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone? Go back to basics.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on March 12, 2015, 10:26:37 AM
Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibson or a Strat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?

Yes.

Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibson or a Strat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?

No.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 12, 2015, 10:39:05 AM
 :lol

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 12, 2015, 10:50:27 AM
Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibson or a Strat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?

Yes.

Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibson or a Strat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?

No.

Perfect. Fender makes good amps and great basses, but their guitars sound ok at best. Gibson's guitars are much better.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 12, 2015, 11:00:25 AM
I really enjoyed JP's tone in DT12, but it doesn't sound the same he used in BTFW. It sounds way more dirty, and not as clear as in DT12, although I liked it too.
But speaking of MM's tooooone, the one he used in BTFW is way better than DT12. I don't know if it's just a matter of production, but the tone itself sounded way better in the live record. Let's wait to see what will change this time around.

JP over-thinks things way too much. Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibson or a Strat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone? Go back to basics.

I think it's a combination of his choice of amp and effects. To begin with, he plays Mesa Boogies, which are very compressed. It gives you that beautiful singing lead sound and in-your-face power chords, but it leaves you with virtually no dynamics. For example, doing this stuff (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5VwPfyEq3w&t=354) will be very hard for him these days.
Secondly, he also has a lot of chorus on his clean sounds. Maybe it's because he's a big fan of Alex Lifeson, but I think it also robs him from a more natural clean sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: GandL on March 12, 2015, 11:20:20 AM
Quote
I think it's a combination of his choice of amp and effects. To begin with, he plays Mesa Boogies, which are very compressed. It gives you that beautiful singing lead sound and in-your-face power chords, but it leaves you with virtually no dynamics. For example, doing this stuff will be very hard for him these days.
Secondly, he also has a lot of chorus on his clean sounds. Maybe it's because he's a big fan of Alex Lifeson, but I think it also robs him from a more natural clean sound.

Damn I like his young style when he was integrating jazz and blues fills.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on March 12, 2015, 12:07:13 PM
So the album WILL contain acustic guitars.  ;D

Quote from: John Petrucci
Just got this beautiful Taylor Guitars acoustic. Can't wait to use it on the new DT album!
(https://scontent-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10854445_921628701222476_3680164983104187719_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 12, 2015, 12:13:28 PM
So the album WILL contain acustic guitars.  ;D

13 in a row! What are the odds? :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 12, 2015, 12:18:48 PM
lol

Still, it would be cool to have another acoustic/mostly acoustic song. There weren't any on DT12, unless I'm misremembering?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 12, 2015, 12:30:53 PM
lol

Still, it would be cool to have another acoustic/mostly acoustic song. There weren't any on DT12, unless I'm misremembering?

Not to my recollection.  The only times I recall any acoustic guitar sounds on DT12 were during the beginning verses of Surrender to Reason.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BRGM on March 12, 2015, 01:31:04 PM
lol

Still, it would be cool to have another acoustic/mostly acoustic song. There weren't any on DT12, unless I'm misremembering?

Not to my recollection.  The only times I recall any acoustic guitar sounds on DT12 were during the beginning verses of Surrender to Reason.

The first verses of The Bigger Picture and Along For the Ride are also acoustic. To an extent.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on March 12, 2015, 02:18:48 PM
So the album WILL contain acustic guitars.  ;D

13 in a row! What are the odds? :lol

Hmm, does ToT contain any real acustic guitars? ES intro is acustic but I think it's still his Music Man...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OsMosis2259 on March 12, 2015, 02:29:01 PM
So the album WILL contain acustic guitars.  ;D

13 in a row! What are the odds? :lol

Hmm, does ToT contain any real acustic guitars? ES intro is acustic but I think it's still his Music Man...

Sounds like the ES and the ITNOG intro is the Music Man.

I like how on the OTBOA intro, he combined it with the acoustic guitars as well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 12, 2015, 02:29:56 PM
He has said there are acoustic guitars on every album.

Also, he wouldn't use the Music Man for acoustic in the studio.  He would record an actual acoustic.

He also doubles lots of parts with acoustic, for texture. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on March 12, 2015, 04:47:26 PM
I wish he would just shave that beard...he looks like someone on Duck Dynasty.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 12, 2015, 07:11:25 PM
Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibson or a Strat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?

Yes.

Remember when a guy could just plug a Gibson or a Strat into a Marshall amp and get an awesome tone?

No.

Perfect. Fender makes good amps and great basses, but their guitars sound ok at best. Gibson's guitars are much better.

What the hell?  No.  Fender guitars sound great, stop taking crazy pills.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mosh on March 12, 2015, 08:52:46 PM
They're ok but aren't really anything to write home about. Most of the good Fender guitars I've heard are so heavily modified that they're barely even fenders anymore.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mazelir2br on March 12, 2015, 09:36:39 PM
wow thats a lot of posts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on March 13, 2015, 03:49:46 AM
Do we even know what studio they're in this time around? Cove City again??
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on March 13, 2015, 04:00:41 AM
CONFIRMED --- Guest artist for DT13: DEREK SHERINIAN






(https://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn105/SteveAudrey/DT13DS_zpsfotsuwfv.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2015, 04:02:04 AM
Les Paul into a Blackstar  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on March 13, 2015, 04:02:10 AM
Source?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 13, 2015, 04:38:10 AM
CONFIRMED --- Guest artist for DT13: DEREK SHERINIAN

You had me deeply worried there for a few minutes until I finally figured out the picture.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on March 13, 2015, 05:15:21 AM
CONFIRMED --- Guest artist for DT13: DEREK SHERINIAN

You had me deeply worried there for a few minutes until I finally figured out the picture.
Hold on, wasn't Derek your favourite of the keyboard lot?  :huh:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 13, 2015, 05:26:35 AM
CONFIRMED --- Guest artist for DT13: DEREK SHERINIAN

You had me deeply worried there for a few minutes until I finally figured out the picture.
Hold on, wasn't Derek your favourite of the keyboard lot?  :huh:

You are most definitely mistaking me for someone else there. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 13, 2015, 05:59:27 AM
DT co-writing one song with Derek Sherinian on DT13 would almost certainly produce great results.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2015, 07:25:56 AM
DT co-writing one song with Derek Sherinian on DT13 would almost certainly produce great results.
That would be amazing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 13, 2015, 07:45:45 AM
I always felt DT could use some collaboration for the occasional track here and there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Eldomm on March 13, 2015, 09:25:50 AM
I always felt DT could use some collaboration for the occasional track here and there.

Like ...Desmond Child? :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 13, 2015, 09:42:35 AM
Lines In The Sand II: Riptide
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on March 13, 2015, 09:46:32 AM
CONFIRMED --- Guest artist for DT13: DEREK SHERINIAN






(https://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn105/SteveAudrey/DT13DS_zpsfotsuwfv.jpg)

that beard should have it's own credit on the liner notes.

John Petrucci: John Petrucci
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 13, 2015, 09:48:52 AM
Peruvian Skies Pt 2: VANESSA'S REVENGE
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2015, 09:53:39 AM
that beard should have it's own credit on the liner notes.

John Petrucci: John Petrucci
Someone used to do that.

I'm wanting to say it was Jon Kalodner.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zook on March 13, 2015, 09:57:22 AM
That beard needs to go. He just looks goofy. I'll take Super Saiyan Petrucci over Grizzly Adams any day. Hell, I might even take Emotrucci over his current look. Soon his beard will cover his whole face!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2015, 09:59:45 AM
Hell, I might even take Emotrucci over his current look.
Oh God no
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 13, 2015, 10:03:08 AM
YOU NOT ME II: STILL A SELFISH BITCH



Throw me a bone damnit
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zook on March 13, 2015, 10:07:59 AM
Anna Lee Pt. 2: Analy
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 13, 2015, 10:08:33 AM
:slowclap:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Flacracker on March 13, 2015, 10:16:21 AM
I'll believe it when I hear it tbh. DT12 was supposed to have chocolate cake guitars and MM unleashed, neither of which really happened.

I agree with you regarding MM, and perhaps I'm not that educated on toooone, but JP's guitars sure sounded thick and cakey to me. Is there a better example of chocolate cake guitars that you know of? I would love to listen to it  :metal
Opening riff of About to Crash Reprise.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 13, 2015, 10:23:26 AM
I'm wondering if JP had an accident or something and is hiding his face until it has healed.


Total Guess of course but in 2002 when Noel Gallagher was in a car accident - he grew a beard to hide the bruises.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 13, 2015, 11:09:50 AM

He also doubles lots of parts with acoustic, for texture.

His clean/acoustic lines are one of my favorite things about his style, specifically on WDADU and I&W. It's probably a huge stretch, but I hope there's at least one moment on the new album that invokes the same kind of atmospheric quality as either of those two. I'm not talking about vocals, or even production. I mean the spirit and the passion behind what's being played. It'll probably never be the same again, but one can hope.

I'm a nostalgia freak at 24... Is this bad? Lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 13, 2015, 01:16:57 PM
I'm wondering if JP had an accident or something and is hiding his face until it has healed.

Maybe he's still bummed from finding out that he was the one who was actually the killing hand?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 13, 2015, 02:15:21 PM
that beard should have it's own credit on the liner notes.

John Petrucci: John Petrucci
Someone used to do that.

I'm wanting to say it was Jon Kalodner.

Then what you are saying is correct.   :tup


That's a beautiful Taylor by the way, that JP is playing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 13, 2015, 02:53:29 PM
that beard should have it's own credit on the liner notes.

John Petrucci: John Petrucci
Someone used to do that.

I'm wanting to say it was Jon Kalodner.

Then what you are saying is correct.   :tup
:metal

That's a beautiful Taylor by the way, that JP is playing.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 13, 2015, 09:30:58 PM
Anna Lee Pt. 2: Analy

Anna Lee Pt. 2:  Welcome to Prison
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 14, 2015, 09:54:59 AM
JR appears to be in Arizona.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zook on March 14, 2015, 10:07:00 AM
Initiate stalking mode
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 14, 2015, 05:36:44 PM
Initiate stalking mode
:tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on March 15, 2015, 05:25:30 AM
He also doubles lots of parts with acoustic, for texture.
His clean/acoustic lines are one of my favorite things about his style, specifically on WDADU and I&W.
Oh yeah, I love it when he does that on songs like Afterlife and Another Day. :heart
I'm wondering if JP had an accident or something and is hiding his face until it has healed.
Maybe he's still bummed from finding out that he was the one who was actually the killing hand?
He'll never get rid of the beard, because he's Scarred for life. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 15, 2015, 07:23:09 AM
Ha
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 16, 2015, 06:49:14 AM
JR appears to be in Arizona.
Vacation is now over apparently.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Yazman on March 17, 2015, 12:51:26 AM
Octavarium Pt. II: Hexadecatarium!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 17, 2015, 08:15:07 AM
Octavarium Pt. II: Hexadecatarium!

But that would be 16 and this is the 13th album. 

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Onno on March 17, 2015, 09:13:58 AM
Octavarium Pt. II: Hexadecatarium!

But that would be 16 and this is the 13th album.

5+8 = 13

NUGGETZ
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Elite on March 17, 2015, 10:06:51 AM
I'm wondering if JP had an accident or something and is hiding his face until it has healed.

Maybe he's still bummed from finding out that he was the one who was actually the killing hand?

He needs to find the shaving hand.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: puppyonacid on March 17, 2015, 10:12:00 AM
Following on from the discussion about JPs guitar tone, I'm sure he has said in a a few interviews now that when it comes to recording (particularly rhythm tracks) that he plugs straight in to his amp.

And for the guy who said "remember when you could just plug a gibson or a strat into a marshall and get a great tone?" - yup I do. Marshall is one thing, but give me a Musicman over a strat or Gibson any day. Gibsons are horrendously over priced average guitars.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Elite on March 17, 2015, 10:20:09 AM
^ that is a little too generalising. While I agree with you somewhat (I don't like Gibson guitars a lot either), it's not that all their guitars are bad. The quality differences between the same models are way too high. There are Gibsons that work beautifully and the next guitar from the same model can be a total clunker. On a guitar-to-guitar basis, at least in my experience, Gibson's quality is not very consistent.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 17, 2015, 10:35:08 AM
^ that is a little too generalising. While I agree with you somewhat (I don't like Gibson guitars a lot either), it's not that all their guitars are bad. The quality differences between the same models are way too high. There are Gibsons that work beautifully and the next guitar from the same model can be a total clunker. On a guitar-to-guitar basis, at least in my experience, Gibson's quality is not very consistent.

You're buying a name, that's why.  They don't all have to be perfect sounding.  As long as that Gibson name is on there, people will buy it regardless. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on March 17, 2015, 10:37:54 AM
JR appears to be in Arizona.
Vacation is now over apparently.

This forum's discussion has reached tabloid magazine levels.  (There's nothing else to talk about though, so I can't blame anyone)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 17, 2015, 10:49:17 AM
It is such a shame that they can't just grab a camera and share a video here and there. Steven Wilson's HCE studio vignettes added so much to the excitement about the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 17, 2015, 10:50:44 AM
It is such a shame that they can't just grab a camera and share a video here and there. Steven Wilson's HCE studio vignettes added so much to the excitement about the album.

They sure did.  The 6 Degrees shorts got all of us riled up.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2015, 10:55:33 AM
JR appears to be in Arizona.
Vacation is now over apparently.

This forum's discussion has reached tabloid magazine levels.  (There's nothing else to talk about though, so I can't blame anyone)
Not sure I would relate it to tabloids.  They tend to give information that the celeb in question didn't volunteer.

JR posted this on his facebook page.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 17, 2015, 10:56:51 AM
This thread is more like a DT TMZ.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 17, 2015, 10:59:46 AM
It is such a shame that they can't just grab a camera and share a video here and there. Steven Wilson's HCE studio vignettes added so much to the excitement about the album.

They sure did.  The 6 Degrees shorts got all of us riled up.

All of the more recent MP era albums were like that.  I still watch the Bear Tracks studio visits from Metropolis 2.  I love the behind the scenes stuff when MP was at the helm.  As a super fan, my appetite was constantly fulfilled.  Now, not so much.  We were basically spoiled as fans for the longest time and  I think that's what is happening here.  I wish we still had the YJR releases coming out.  Who knows what MP has in that vault of his! 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 17, 2015, 11:02:01 AM
This thread is more like a DT TMZ.

I admit, I stop and watch TMZ if I like the celeb.  More for them mocking each other though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 17, 2015, 11:34:24 AM
Who knows what MP has in that vault of his!
Probably everything, and then some! I wouldn't be surprised if he has every single take of every instrument from all of the DT albums he was involved with, never mind all the jams and other things he recorded during the writing sessions that served as a basis for many songs and lots of parts that were left on the cutting room floor. I'd love to spend a year just going thru and cataloging everything in his vault.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 17, 2015, 11:49:08 AM
Who knows what MP has in that vault of his!
Probably everything, and then some! I wouldn't be surprised if he has every single take of every instrument from all of the DT albums he was involved with, never mind all the jams and other things he recorded during the writing sessions that served as a basis for many songs and lots of parts that were left on the cutting room floor. I'd love to spend a year just going thru and cataloging everything in his vault.

Seriously!  I remember reading in an old interview that he said he tapes every moment that DT are in the studio.  Imagine the box set he could put out if he did it by album.  I am almost positive The Beatles have released such box sets. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 17, 2015, 11:50:13 AM
I would've love to have seen the bootleg live DVD of the BC&SL tour that never saw the light of day.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 17, 2015, 12:05:16 PM
I would've love to have seen the bootleg live DVD of the BC&SL tour that never saw the light of day.

I have two DVD boots from that tour.  One from the Kaliakra Rock Fest in Bulgaria and another from Brazil, the Kaliakra show being the better of the two in my opinion, which is a 2 DVD set.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on March 17, 2015, 12:17:50 PM
Typical shaky hand holding a cell phone types, complete with muffled sound and black screen every so often when security comes by?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 17, 2015, 01:37:14 PM
Typical shaky hand holding a cell phone types, complete with muffled sound and black screen every so often when security comes by?

The Kailakra boot is steady throughout. I haven't watched the whole thing from start to finish, but after skipping around a bit I am not sure there are many close-ups. The picture is really clear though.  The Brazil boot is done with a handheld and is a  bit shaky at times but it has more close-ups.  Neither are ideal for a professional release but it's better than having nothing at all.  I'll take a crappy quality boot of some of the rarer Dream Theater shows over nothing at all any day.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 17, 2015, 02:39:09 PM
Since we are on bootlegs, it would be cool to have video of just the best version of each DT song rolled up into a few DVDs/BluRays.

Best just meaning a subjective opinion weighing Audio/Video quality, video angle(s) of there most unique performance of each song.
So just have a WDADU+I&W DVD of the best live versions of each song out there.  That means Pull Me Under could be 1993 San Francisco and Another Day could be 2013 Thailand.

I spent more time collecting / cataloging my bootlegs than watching / listening / simply enjoying them.   So I'd probably be excited getting into Portnoy's vault for a few hours, then I'd probably start to lose interest.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dream Team on March 17, 2015, 02:39:26 PM
Following on from the discussion about JPs guitar tone, I'm sure he has said in a a few interviews now that when it comes to recording (particularly rhythm tracks) that he plugs straight in to his amp.

And for the guy who said "remember when you could just plug a gibson or a strat into a marshall and get a great tone?" - yup I do. Marshall is one thing, but give me a Musicman over a strat or Gibson any day. Gibsons are horrendously over priced average guitars.

Poor Hetfield, he never realized he had such an awful rhythm tone back in the 80s . . .  :'(
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 17, 2015, 02:44:27 PM
I somewhat agree with the notion that, for their sound, Gibsons are heavily overpriced. They were kinda the original Apple product, where the image of having one heavily drove up the price.
And I also agree that while Strats can sound amazing, they can also sound like total ass.
Regarding MusicMans, they are very versatile in their sound, but at the same time they're master of none (and this is coming from an owner of a MusicMan).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 17, 2015, 02:52:41 PM
I would've love to have seen the bootleg live DVD of the BC&SL tour that never saw the light of day.
Weren't two of the songs broadcast somewhere?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on March 17, 2015, 03:00:58 PM
Another Day could be 2013 Thailand

But the problem with having the best version of Another Day is that what you are stuck with is a version of Another Day.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 17, 2015, 03:12:46 PM
Knock it off, Bosk! ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 17, 2015, 03:28:12 PM
Who knows what MP has in that vault of his!
Probably everything, and then some! I wouldn't be surprised if he has every single take of every instrument from all of the DT albums he was involved with, never mind all the jams and other things he recorded during the writing sessions that served as a basis for many songs and lots of parts that were left on the cutting room floor. I'd love to spend a year just going thru and cataloging everything in his vault.

Well, why don't you?  You're friends, right?  Give him a call and tell him you'll be over in a week.  If everyone on this forum chipped in a dollar, we could donate in upwards of 100 dollars to supply you with gas or food (take your pick, you don't get both) and you could give us a full report. 

Everybody in?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on March 17, 2015, 03:33:48 PM
Another Day could be 2013 Thailand

How can that be AD's best performance when the band didn't even tour in 2013? In this half decade (10-15) Another Day has only been performed once, in Austin on the 20th anniversary of the release of Images And Words (7/7/12).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 17, 2015, 04:17:45 PM
Following on from the discussion about JPs guitar tone, I'm sure he has said in a a few interviews now that when it comes to recording (particularly rhythm tracks) that he plugs straight in to his amp.

And for the guy who said "remember when you could just plug a gibson or a strat into a marshall and get a great tone?" - yup I do. Marshall is one thing, but give me a Musicman over a strat or Gibson any day. Gibsons are horrendously over priced average guitars.

Poor Hetfield, he never realized he had such an awful rhythm tone back in the 80s . . .  :'(

It was pretty terrible for all intents and purposes, especially on AJFA.  eww.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 17, 2015, 04:46:50 PM
Who knows what MP has in that vault of his!
Probably everything, and then some! I wouldn't be surprised if he has every single take of every instrument from all of the DT albums he was involved with, never mind all the jams and other things he recorded during the writing sessions that served as a basis for many songs and lots of parts that were left on the cutting room floor. I'd love to spend a year just going thru and cataloging everything in his vault.
Well, why don't you?  You're friends, right?  Give him a call and tell him you'll be over in a week.  If everyone on this forum chipped in a dollar, we could donate in upwards of 100 dollars to supply you with gas or food (take your pick, you don't get both) and you could give us a full report. 

Everybody in?
Oh trust me, I've tried! He knows how much I'd love to see his vault and the times I've been in his neck of the woods, I've made subtle hints at stopping by for a visit. But it's never come to fruition. Even just to back up his DAT collection (and all his other recordings on cassette) since some of those tapes are 20+ years old now, and who knows how long they'll last? But he's been resistant since he was always busy with other projects, and once he left DT, that stuff took even more of a back seat.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 17, 2015, 04:59:02 PM
I wonder how bittersweet that collection ends up being to him. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 17, 2015, 05:24:44 PM
It must be weird for him, yeah. Especially because it's an "unfinished" collection. Of any other band he would just go to the record store or eBay to conclude his collection to the level he desires, but now he sits on this pile of documents that meticulously chronicles one part of the band, but abruptly misses everything from there on. From a collector's point of view it's the worst scenario.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 17, 2015, 05:59:58 PM
Oh trust me, I've tried! He knows how much I'd love to see his vault and the times I've been in his neck of the woods, I've made subtle hints at stopping by for a visit. But it's never come to fruition. Even just to back up his DAT collection (and all his other recordings on cassette) since some of those tapes are 20+ years old now, and who knows how long they'll last? But he's been resistant since he was always busy with other projects, and once he left DT, that stuff took even more of a back seat.

You are missing the other possibilities.

1.  90% of the tapes are blank.  And this has become like the Fort Knox conspiracy.  The gold isn't in there.
2.  All those are actually his porn collection.  He knows the wife hates watching bootlegs, so she will never find it .. hiding in plain sight.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 17, 2015, 06:00:24 PM
He will be back.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 17, 2015, 06:07:24 PM
It must be weird for him, yeah. Especially because it's an "unfinished" collection. Of any other band he would just go to the record store or eBay to conclude his collection to the level he desires, but now he sits on this pile of documents that meticulously chronicles one part of the band, but abruptly misses everything from there on. From a collector's point of view it's the worst scenario.
I don't think this incompleteness would be an issue. I'm sure he has NO interest in competing it now. But I'm sure it must take away from his experience if he ever listens to them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2015, 06:31:37 PM
^ that is a little too generalising. While I agree with you somewhat (I don't like Gibson guitars a lot either), it's not that all their guitars are bad. The quality differences between the same models are way too high. There are Gibsons that work beautifully and the next guitar from the same model can be a total clunker. On a guitar-to-guitar basis, at least in my experience, Gibson's quality is not very consistent.

I  :heart my Gibsons. I've a 2011 Les Paul and a 2014 SG. Both are awesome to play and sound / feel great.

However - some of the more lower priced models can be a bit ropey.

The upper priced guitars are just stunning though - like the Les Paul Supremes. SO beautiful. I very nearly bought one once.


Not only that but I used to own a £500 Epiphone Custom and after a pro set-up and The James Hetfield signature pickups in - that thing gave my Gibson a run for

it's money.


Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on March 17, 2015, 06:59:36 PM
Interesting to hear you say that.  I haven't played a Gibson in years, but I had actually heard the opposite:  That for the past 10 or 15 years or so, the higher-end Gibsons were really inconsistent.  You might get a great one; you might get a so-so one.  But the Epiphones and lower-end Gibsons were more consistent.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 17, 2015, 07:05:54 PM
^ I've definitely heard that.  The folk over at TalkBass are always saying that.  I bought an Epiphone Thunderbird bass and A/B it against a Gibson in the shop and the only difference was about $2000.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: puppyonacid on March 18, 2015, 09:47:51 AM
Yup pretty much where I was coming from as well.

Did Noel Gallagher play Epiphones? From what I remember they were streets ahead of guitars around the same price range. I read an article I got through an email from Reverb.com about the new range of high end gibbos coming out and the comments...well there seems to be a lot of folk prepared to walk away from Gibson.

To be honest though, I have no beef with what people like and don't like. Gibson, Strats, Marshall, Musicman....all can be top quality and great if that's what you're into. What I took exception to was the Grandadian "In my day we just took a  Gibson and plugged it straight  in" crap. That kind of comment is so full of patronising bs. So if its not a strat or gibbo plugged into a Marshall, its not legit? Sorry but that's horse crap.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dream Team on March 18, 2015, 11:08:20 AM
Yup pretty much where I was coming from as well.

Did Noel Gallagher play Epiphones? From what I remember they were streets ahead of guitars around the same price range. I read an article I got through an email from Reverb.com about the new range of high end gibbos coming out and the comments...well there seems to be a lot of folk prepared to walk away from Gibson.

To be honest though, I have no beef with what people like and don't like. Gibson, Strats, Marshall, Musicman....all can be top quality and great if that's what you're into. What I took exception to was the Grandadian "In my day we just took a  Gibson and plugged it straight  in" crap. That kind of comment is so full of patronising bs. So if its not a strat or gibbo plugged into a Marshall, its not legit? Sorry but that's horse crap.

I didn't say it wasn't legit, I said JP was mucking around too much. Way to totally miss my point.  ::)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on March 18, 2015, 11:14:03 AM
Maybe he missed your point because it wasn't clear.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 18, 2015, 04:59:59 PM
Did Noel Gallagher play Epiphones?

Yep, because ALL 3 of the MUTHAFUCKIN BEATLES guitarists used them.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 18, 2015, 06:18:10 PM
Gallagher was an awesome comedian.  Watermelons everywhere.

Don't sit in the front row.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2015, 07:39:11 PM
Did Noel Gallagher play Epiphones?

Yep, because ALL 3 of the MUTHAFUCKIN BEATLES guitarists used them.  :lol

He doesn't use Epiphones anymore. He probably did on the first three oasis albums since they're cheaper than Gibsons.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 18, 2015, 09:21:24 PM
Did Noel Gallagher play Epiphones?

Yep, because ALL 3 of the MUTHAFUCKIN BEATLES guitarists used them.  :lol

He doesn't use Epiphones anymore. He probably did on the first three oasis albums since they're cheaper than Gibsons.

He used them on the Oasis albums because if they rode the Beatles' D any harder they'd be genital warts. 

There's a reason John, George and Paul all preferred the Epiphone Casino over any Gibson model guitars, and I doubt the reason is the financial aspect. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: LastShoot on March 18, 2015, 09:51:57 PM
From MM's Facebook:

The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.


Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 18, 2015, 10:11:13 PM
Gallagher was an awesome comedian.  Watermelons everywhere.

Don't sit in the front row.

Apparently that went over everyone's head.  I think we need an older crowd here.  Between the batmobile joke and Gallagher, I think we're coming off as old fuckers.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2015, 10:17:35 PM
Gallagher was an awesome comedian.  Watermelons everywhere.

Don't sit in the front row.

Apparently that went over everyone's head.  I think we need an older crowd here.  Between the batmobile joke and Gallagher, I think we're coming off as old fuckers.

I got it just fine. I didn't think I had to acknowledge it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 18, 2015, 10:19:00 PM
Gallagher was an awesome comedian.  Watermelons everywhere.

Don't sit in the front row.

Apparently that went over everyone's head.  I think we need an older crowd here.  Between the batmobile joke and Gallagher, I think we're coming off as old fuckers.

I got it just fine. I didn't think I had to acknowledge it.


I stand corrected.   ::)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2015, 10:23:06 PM
DID EVERYONE SEE MY JOKE?!?!?!!?


Hef didn't do that. I don't think he cared if anyone got it or not.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 18, 2015, 10:25:19 PM
DID EVERYONE SEE MY JOKE?!?!?!!?


Hef didn't do that. I don't think he cared if anyone got it or not.

You're really making more of this than it is.  Settle down.  ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2015, 10:33:55 PM
Don't you know who I am? I've been starting pointless arguments with the members of this forum for 9 years now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bl5150 on March 18, 2015, 10:42:31 PM
Don't you know who I am? .

I hope you're feeling better now  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 18, 2015, 11:40:11 PM
Don't you know who I am?
Why yes, you're the one and only ZookDick!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22380.msg1763895#msg1763895
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2015, 11:42:37 PM
I'm the Zookernaut, bitch!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on March 18, 2015, 11:43:43 PM
From MM's Facebook:

The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.

Well that's good to hear!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Onno on March 19, 2015, 03:21:14 AM
From MM's Facebook:

The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.
Sounds great!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2015, 06:45:55 AM
From MM's Facebook:

The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.

Well that's good to hear!

Is it? I don't want to be overly pessimistic, but his DT12 snare sound could be described as "gun shot".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 19, 2015, 07:28:19 AM
Gallagher was an awesome comedian.  Watermelons everywhere.

Don't sit in the front row.

Apparently that went over everyone's head.  I think we need an older crowd here.  Between the batmobile joke and Gallagher, I think we're coming off as old fuckers.
:tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on March 19, 2015, 03:11:25 PM
From MM's Facebook:

The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.

Well that's good to hear!

Is it? I don't want to be overly pessimistic, but his DT12 snare sound could be described as "gun shot".

The term could apply to almost any snare tone, good or bad. Spinning it in any real direction is really unfair. All we know is MM likes it. Heck, he didn't even say this was what he was using on the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Thoughtspart3 on March 20, 2015, 11:28:43 AM
I really hope there is a different snare sound on the new album.  The DT12 sound was really distracting.  I noticed it right away before being biased by anyone else here.  I was thankful that I wasn't the only one who didn't like it.  Was there ever any problems with the snare sound on previous albums to the same degree?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 20, 2015, 11:30:47 AM
I'd be perfectly fine with the drums to get the same mix/sound as they did in Behind the 4th Wall DVD. I thought MM sounded incredible in that DVD.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on March 20, 2015, 11:35:33 AM
This video would tell you what MM thinks is a good snare sound.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lI4BXrLJW1c
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 20, 2015, 04:46:28 PM
From MM's Facebook:

The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.

Well that's good to hear!

Is it? I don't want to be overly pessimistic, but his DT12 snare sound could be described as "gun shot".

The term could apply to almost any snare tone, good or bad. Spinning it in any real direction is really unfair. All we know is MM likes it. Heck, he didn't even say this was what he was using on the album.

Again, I don't want to come across as a Negative Nancy, but the Remo P77 is a marching band snare, and I assume you know what those snares sound like.

This is Tony Roster Jr playing a P77:
https://youtu.be/tHJ99HW8jb4

I'm not pretending to understand much of drum sounds, but I definitely understand that it is very hard to coax a marching band snare into anything but a "Pang!". Or, as MM put it, a gunshot. That's what they're *designed* to sound like.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheGreatPretender on March 20, 2015, 05:42:37 PM
From MM's Facebook:

The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.

Well that's good to hear!

Is it? I don't want to be overly pessimistic, but his DT12 snare sound could be described as "gun shot".

I'd say that the snare on I&W could be described as "gun shot" too. Triggered or not, a lot of people seem to like it. In fact, you could say it's a "triggered gun shot".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 20, 2015, 06:21:23 PM
I think a lot of people like the gunshot snare of IAW as they love Molly Ringwald :lol It fit the time perfectly, but it's not something that works when brought back.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2015, 06:27:20 PM
I'm not too worried about the snare choice, as production has a bigger an effect on the final sound. If they mess up the production, it wont matter what snare he uses. If they get it right, it could sound good regardless.
I'm glad he's still experimenting with his kit, so I don't expect an exact repeat of DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 20, 2015, 07:11:19 PM
I think a lot of people like the gunshot snare of IAW as they love Molly Ringwald :lol It fit the time perfectly, but it's not something that works when brought back.


Don't yanky my wanky Rumbo.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on March 20, 2015, 08:36:10 PM
Her cameo in "Not Another Teen Movie" is great.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on March 21, 2015, 01:18:43 AM
Her cameo in "Not Another Teen Movie" is great.

Am I missing something there? :justjen

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zook on March 21, 2015, 02:43:39 AM
Her cameo in "Not Another Teen Movie" is great.

Am I missing something there? :justjen

B.Lee

She showed up at the end of the movie.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: nikatapi on March 21, 2015, 04:14:58 AM

Again, I don't want to come across as a Negative Nancy, but the Remo P77 is a marching band snare, and I assume you know what those snares sound like.

This is Tony Roster Jr playing a P77:
https://youtu.be/tHJ99HW8jb4

I'm not pretending to understand much of drum sounds, but I definitely understand that it is very hard to coax a marching band snare into anything but a "Pang!". Or, as MM put it, a gunshot. That's what they're *designed* to sound like.

It also depends on the snare drum besides the skin, but i like the sound on the video you posted, i would love some ghost notes (almost absent on DT12) on the new album, i missed them a lot, and the few of them on DT12 sounded bad due to the lower tuning.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2015, 04:21:41 AM
Snares tuned that high will *never* sound good in *any* context.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on March 21, 2015, 04:27:13 AM
Did Mike's snare actually sound like that live though? In the studio I mean. I always got the impression that it sounds the way it does on the album because it got messed up after it was recorded. How do you even get a snare to sound that bad in real life?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2015, 04:30:25 AM
Did Mike's snare actually sound like that live though? In the studio I mean. I always got the impression that it sounds the way it does on the album because it got messed up after it was recorded. How do you even get a snare to sound that bad in real life?

The actual snare was tuned low, but there's also a lot of compression and limiting on the album that makes it sound worse, so it was a combination. I think BTFW is how that snare is supposed to sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2015, 04:32:30 AM
Did Mike's snare actually sound like that live though? In the studio I mean. I always got the impression that it sounds the way it does on the album because it got messed up after it was recorded. How do you even get a snare to sound that bad in real life?

The actual snare was tuned low, but there's also a lot of compression and limiting on the album that makes it sound worse, so it was a combination. I think BTFW is how that snare is supposed to sound.

Yes. In a drum interview - Mangini said he loosened the snare skin so it was more like a thud than a snap.

That combined with gating and probably bad EQ and overall compression etc...

I imagine that it probably sounded a lot better in the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2015, 04:41:29 AM
A few times i've recorded a great drum sound that is almost completely lost by the time the whole CD is finished.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on March 25, 2015, 10:31:21 AM
Their new Facebook profile pic:

(https://i.imgur.com/rbBgX46.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 25, 2015, 10:41:53 AM
 :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on March 25, 2015, 10:43:25 AM
:letam:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 25, 2015, 10:45:08 AM
Their new Facebook profile pic:


That is pretty.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on March 25, 2015, 10:48:29 AM
Upon first glance Aerosmith popped into my thoughts :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
Sweet
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Nest777 on March 25, 2015, 10:51:45 AM
From the official website

(https://scontent-mad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10577178_804897106224341_7299085119459169823_n.jpg?oh=81b0509f8547525cf30b3da90b0d3209&oe=55BC37EF)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: AngelBack on March 25, 2015, 10:58:23 AM
New wallpaper deployed....
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 25, 2015, 11:07:30 AM
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.

Not for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:08:17 AM
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.

Not for me.

You don't get to decide the anniversary of the band.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 25, 2015, 11:09:11 AM
You sound like my wife.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 25, 2015, 11:10:09 AM
I like the winged logo better, but they're both nice. Let the promotional train begin.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.
Was it ever not?  The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?

The only other real date possible would be 1989, when the first album came out.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:25:09 AM
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.
Was it ever not?  The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?

The only other real date possible would be 1989, when the first album came out.

Have you forgotten the big DTF debate a while back when JLB said that he didn't continue 1985 the anniversary of the band? It's just nice to see it reconfirmed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2015, 11:26:59 AM
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.
Was it ever not?  The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?

The only other real date possible would be 1989, when the first album came out.

Have you forgotten the big DTF debate a while back when JLB said that he didn't continue 1985 the anniversary of the band?
I remember the debate vaguely, but how JLB as an individual sees it and how the group as a collective sees it aren't necessarily the same thing.

And I'm not sure JLB gets a vote, anyway, since no matter which date is picked, he wasn't there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 25, 2015, 11:28:13 AM
Yeah, I'm one of those 1989'ers.  Blob's arch nemesis.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:30:38 AM
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.
Was it ever not?  The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?

The only other real date possible would be 1989, when the first album came out.

Have you forgotten the big DTF debate a while back when JLB said that he didn't continue 1985 the anniversary of the band?
I remember the debate vaguely, but how JLB as an individual sees it and how the group as a collective sees it aren't necessarily the same thing.

And I'm not sure JLB gets a vote, anyway, since no matter which date is picked, he wasn't there.

I agree. It's just nice to see any doubts put to rest for the misguided few. :biggrin:


YES KING I'M REFERRING TO YOU. :getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on March 25, 2015, 11:35:32 AM
I don't think it matters how many people in the band vote for a certain date because quality over quantity.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2015, 11:42:17 AM
Yeah, I'm one of those 1989'ers.  Blob's arch nemesis.
I see both sides, and I've seen bands do it both ways (for example, Kansas just celebrated their 40th anniversary in 2014, 40 years after the release of their first album).  So for me, it's up to the band, and DT appears to have always considered 1985 to be the anniversary.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: vtgrad on March 25, 2015, 12:25:44 PM
I was going to wait until I remembered to bring the new Guitar World to work so that I could copy JP's comments verbatim... but in light of the new promotional material I'll go from memory.

The GW preview for the new album quotes JP with something along the lines of "we originally got the idea (for the new album) during the promotional tour in 2013 and we've been working through ideas since..."  Something along those lines.  He then says something like "... now we have to work through what works and what doesn't work".  Again, I'm going from memory.

I'll bring the mag to work tomorrow and post the article verbatim.

Excited... to say the least!   :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 25, 2015, 12:41:56 PM
Yeah, I'm one of those 1989'ers.  Blob's arch nemesis.
I see both sides, and I've seen bands do it both ways (for example, Kansas just celebrated their 40th anniversary in 2014, 40 years after the release of their first album).  So for me, it's up to the band, and DT appears to have always considered 1985 to be the anniversary.

1985 was indeed when the band was formed so I have no issues with using that date. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: perfey on March 25, 2015, 12:50:13 PM
q
nice!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: dream416 on March 25, 2015, 05:29:28 PM
Their new Facebook profile pic:

(https://i.imgur.com/rbBgX46.jpg)

Already my wallpaper on my IPhone   :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on March 26, 2015, 08:15:18 AM
Do you think there is any foreshadowing in those designs? These guys are pretty cerebral and generally have much thought and purpose
with these kinds of things. Did someone just propose this design or is there calculated imagery there for interpretation?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2015, 08:18:22 AM
I wonder if that'll be the theme of this summer's tour.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: dream416 on March 26, 2015, 08:38:22 AM
It may be just me.....but I think there is something big coming our way this summer
from the band.  :tup
Or I'm completely wrong & just ignore this post.  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 26, 2015, 09:24:47 AM
I wonder if that'll be the theme of this summer's tour.

It would certainly fit. Also, I really want DT to come back to Toronto this year :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 26, 2015, 09:30:26 AM
CONFIRMED : The new album is a cover of Wings Greatest Hits :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 26, 2015, 09:32:08 AM
I don't think it matters how many people in the band vote for a certain date because quality over quantity.

:rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 26, 2015, 11:25:15 AM
I wonder if that'll be the theme of this summer's tour.
I was under the impression that this summer's tour was limited to European festival dates.

Which means they could still have a setlist composed of their "greatest" songs over 30 years, I suppose.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on March 26, 2015, 11:30:42 AM
I don't see why it necessarily has to be "greatest."  Just bring Chris Collins out onstage for a song and call it a day.  Bam!--30th anniversary complete.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 26, 2015, 11:37:17 AM
I don't see why it necessarily has to be "greatest."  Just bring Chris Collins out onstage for a song and call it a day.  Bam!--30th anniversary complete.
:|
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 26, 2015, 01:51:17 PM
That would be a trainwreck I would fly over for.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on March 27, 2015, 02:18:06 AM
Maybe they could still announce a one-of-a-kind "An Evening With.." show for late autumn..

But I think the summer festival tour will include PMU and couple of other hits and James will say that they are celebrating 30 years of music. I think this is the case but I really hope could bring on some surprises!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 27, 2015, 04:51:47 AM
A ha.  The new DT album will be their swan song(s).  The lyrics will be a big FU to the fans a la Never Enough.

Tracks
1.  Wayward fans  :tdwn
2.  Bitchy fans  :loser:
3.  Equation fans  :chill
4.  Blind Melon  :\
5.  Geoff "The Vest" Taint  :censored
6.  Kevin Moore   :huh:
7.  Mike Portnoy  :|
8.  Play it backwards  :corn
9.  Fans that bought every release  :-*
10. Thanks for the Bank.  C ya in 8 years  :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: drod1985 on March 27, 2015, 11:33:49 AM
Pic from the studio? From JP's Facebook today...

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10999000_10153245512831340_5379713648232413461_n.jpg?oh=61edfcf6751cc62df43933107288d4ad&oe=557613ED&__gda__=1437991444_6235fce0834fa4b2159d6126ff6a7f24)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 27, 2015, 11:39:11 AM
What, a song is in G? I already don't like the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 27, 2015, 11:48:48 AM
What, a song is in G? I already don't like the album.

He might just be passing to the A. It could still be salvageable!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 27, 2015, 11:50:37 AM
A guitarist that doesn't like G?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 27, 2015, 11:55:12 AM
You had him at G Minor.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on March 27, 2015, 11:59:25 AM
I see no chocolate cake.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 27, 2015, 12:00:20 PM
Going for more of an Angel Food flavor this time
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on March 27, 2015, 12:00:50 PM
I see no chocolate cake.

Thank god for that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: dparrott on March 27, 2015, 12:03:56 PM
CONFIRMED : The new album is a cover of Wings Greatest Hits :neverusethis:

Haha...or Aerosmith!  "JMX looks like a ladaaaay..."
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 27, 2015, 12:13:20 PM
A guitarist that doesn't like G?

When followed by the word "spot", I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 27, 2015, 12:43:16 PM
A guitarist that doesn't like G?

When followed by the word "spot", I'm all for it.
That's what she said.

Like, word for word.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on March 27, 2015, 12:59:58 PM
Strange deja vu.  I thought I was in the "moaning" thread again for a second.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 27, 2015, 01:21:00 PM
Look how low he is playing on the neck.  Obviously that means this will be a ToT heavy album. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 27, 2015, 01:33:51 PM
Strange deja vu.  I thought I was in the "moaning" thread again for a second.

How uncanny
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on March 27, 2015, 08:11:27 PM
Major update. MM just posted pics of him assembling a new kit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on March 27, 2015, 08:18:16 PM
Ooops. Apparently old pics, not an update. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on March 28, 2015, 02:10:02 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11081424_10152845679867989_3587719440431712492_n.jpg?oh=dfdc86c336303e4f2c9689accde2ebea&oe=55A2529E&__gda__=1438278536_aa0f1a439508118c03da10e330daf3c4)

"This is me right now in the studio working on mysterious DT stuff!"
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2015, 06:33:52 AM
CONFIRMED : The new album may / may not feature Jordan / Keyboards / Beard.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Plasmastrike on March 28, 2015, 07:12:17 AM
That photo makes me happy
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on March 28, 2015, 07:16:39 AM
Mellotron! :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 28, 2015, 07:25:38 AM
Pic from the studio? From JP's Facebook today...


A 6 string, but in what tuning? Typically JP uses E or D.

Also, I know it's been brought up before, but his hair sure is thinning on top :P When people can see the balding pattern through your hairstyle, it's time to do something.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 28, 2015, 02:26:53 PM
really?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 29, 2015, 07:14:36 AM
really?

What is this in response to?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bl5150 on March 29, 2015, 07:15:52 AM
Compensate with an even bigger beard  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 29, 2015, 07:19:31 AM
Show your back hair!!




AMIRITE?!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on March 29, 2015, 12:51:29 PM
Their new Facebook profile pic:

(https://i.imgur.com/rbBgX46.jpg)

I know I'm late to the party here, but I can't help seeing this as "3TH Anniversary" or Threeth Anniversary, with the Majesty logo just inside a circle as part of the design.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on March 29, 2015, 01:49:31 PM
Am I the only one who sees two eyes under the DT logo in that pic?^^  :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 29, 2015, 02:03:11 PM
Am I the only one who sees two eyes under the DT logo in that pic?^^  :rollin

It's Gollum.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 29, 2015, 02:20:45 PM
really?

What is this in response to?

I just think it is kind of mean spirited to talk about Petrucci's hairline.  I mean what is constructive about the criticism?  There aren't too many things that should be off limits, but talking about their genes should be one of them.  Should we ask him to be a little less "Italiany"?

And it isn't a direct response to you per se.  Just the fact that it seems to show up everywhere (here, youtube, probably twitter/facebook) and I doubt it puts a smile on Petrucci's face.  So it is more of a request that we at least kind of drop that here.  People can talk about the beard all they want.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 29, 2015, 03:35:34 PM
I don't see those comments as out of bounds at all. The man is 47 years old. That comes along with certain things for most men, including thinning hair. This isn't the 1980s where your sales were directly proportional to your follical prowess; I think if JP cut his hair short (and it looks good on him when he does), a lot of people would probably say "finally!!".
I dunno; to me, when a long-existing band starts cutting their hair (e.g. Rush), I see it as a sign of maturation. It's essentially saying " yup, we're not a band in our twenties. We do this stuff for the love of music, not to keep up some pretense. ". I find the longer DT tries to run this " ZZ Top in a biker bar" image, the less believable it becomes. MM's caked-on hairdo during the ADTOE tour was reaaaally stretching it. Especially when he had such a likable hairdo during the documentary.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 29, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
I basically agree with Calvin on this one.  Not really for the fact that it's personal and that we shouldn't be passing judgement on him but why are we discussing their hair styles and whatnot like we're the first wives club?   It's a bit tacky and effeminate.  I'm waiting for Melissa Rivers to join in and comment on James' clothing selection. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 29, 2015, 03:52:45 PM
Discussing hairdos is "effeminate"? What year is this?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 29, 2015, 03:56:56 PM
Discussing DT's public image is "effeminate"? o_O?

I think a conversation based around JP's inevitable baldness is a bit much, no?  That's just my personal view of it though.  People can discuss whatever they want, just like I can opine that I think it's a tacky conversation.   :smiley:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 29, 2015, 04:00:59 PM
Personally, I'm confident enough in my masculinity to discuss DT's hair without feeling uncomfortable.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 29, 2015, 04:02:25 PM
I agree with Prog Snob. If information on the new album is so scarce that we've stooped to the level of criticizing their hair, maybe we should just give it a rest until we have some actual information. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 29, 2015, 04:05:10 PM
Personally, I'm confident enough in my masculinity to discuss DT's hair without feeling uncomfortable.



Same here. No offense Prog Snob, but equating awareness of looks with being effeminate is 1950s gender stereotype.
Especially when it comes to a band that so clearly makes use of hair extensions and dying.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 29, 2015, 04:13:22 PM
Personally, I'm confident enough in my masculinity to discuss DT's hair without feeling uncomfortable.

 :lol

It's not even remote close to that.  ;)   

I agree with Prog Snob. If information on the new album is so scarce that we've stooped to the level of criticizing their hair, maybe we should just give it a rest until we have some actual information. :lol

 :lol

I think we should look into that picture of JP playing the six-string some more.  Or the picture of Jordan in the  studio. We can now confirm that Jordan is indeed still in the band.   :lol



Same here. No offense dude, but equating awareness of looks with being effeminate is 1950s gender stereotype.
Especially when it comes to a band that so clearly makes use of hair extensions and coloring.

Why do I care about hair extensions and coloring though?  At the most, when it comes to their look, I've maybe said that the shirts that JP wears are pretty cool looking.  That's one thing.  But to nitpick at his inevitable baldness and MM's hair extensions is a bit on the side of lacking in better topics for conversation.  Maybe it is a stereotype.  Maybe I feel that a group of men chattering over JP's bald spot or MM's hair extensions is a bit much.  So sue me.   :P    ;)


Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on March 29, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
I can't comment.  I'm balding, overweight, and fashion has passed me by. :lol


Rumbo, if only JP had a blue metal sweater like you.  Think of all the possibilities.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 29, 2015, 04:41:28 PM
:lol

Seriously, for me this is all part of the greater discussion about Dream Theater's image. Ever since they switched to RoadRunner, they ran with a certain image, which for a while was okay, but at this point I think has seen its day, especially when it is clear that the image can only be upheld with hair extensions and dying.
I personally wouldn't mind if they made a clean cut (pun intended) and went for a new image, one which they could maintain for the remainder of their career.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2015, 04:44:01 PM
the image can only be upheld with hair extensions and dying.

:emo: let's hope not.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 29, 2015, 04:53:43 PM
I personally wouldn't mind if they made a clean cut (pun intended) and went for a new image, one which they could maintain for the remainder of their career.

Somebody's angling for that DT fashion consultant job.  I vote assless leather chaps.  That's so metal and so manly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 29, 2015, 04:56:41 PM
They don't have their hair a certain way because of some unified image they're trying to have, or because of RR. They present themselves how they want. Why are we criticizing people for how they choose to dress or have their hair? It's a prog band, I thought prog fans were supposed to be above image.

Basically it just comes down to "I don't like the way they look", which is irrelevant on so many levels.

SO HOW ABOUT THAT ALBUM THEY'RE APPARENTLY RECORDING?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2015, 05:05:45 PM
 :omg: Wait ? Dream Theatre are in teh studio ?

I hope it's as good As Metro Police : Part 2 ; Scenes of Inner City Turbulence.

That one was Rad.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 29, 2015, 07:16:56 PM

SO HOW ABOUT THAT ALBUM THEY'RE APPARENTLY RECORDING?

I don't know what you're talking about.  I'm home trying to grow my beard like JPs.   ;)

Now the album would be done if MM would get out of the snow and JR would stop taking vacations.   :lol   Kidding of course. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 29, 2015, 09:28:48 PM


*le sigh* I just can't get mad at someone with that avatar. It would have to be really bad xD

I'm sorry if I sounded rude about it. The image of a band holds some importance to me, and hair is a big part of a person's image. I'll stop talking about it now. Continuing the discussion about the 6 string, I'm curious to find out how much of the album will feature a 6 as opposed to a 7. Usually JP keeps it pretty balanced, but will he perhaps lean toward one side this time around?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on March 29, 2015, 09:44:48 PM
I'm sorry if I sounded rude about it.
I wouldn't worry about it.  You weren't the first.  You won't be the last.  And none of us are guilt free.  It probably wouldn't be that hard to find me doing something similar.  I'm sure it's out there.

I wasn't really calling *you* out, just a call for some empathy.  It isn't like his beard has to grow and he can't change that up, so that's kind of good natured joking.  I doubt that bothers him.

Well, I don't want to dwell on it and I don't want to be the spokesman for this.  Just wanted to let you know there is zero ill will toward you from me.

Quote
I'm curious to find out how much of the album will feature a 6 as opposed to a 7. Usually JP keeps it pretty balanced, but will he perhaps lean toward one side this time around?

I'm wondering if he is going to explore outside the guitar instruments he's used in the past.  Has he ever used an 8 string?  A MIDI (synth) guitar?  Or just some new effects chain that creates guitar tones we haven't heard before (from DT or other guitarist - think Tom Morello).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 29, 2015, 09:58:48 PM
When it comes to sounds, JP is a very meat-and-potato kind of guy. Delay and chorus, that's usually it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 30, 2015, 05:23:27 AM
I seem to recall JP saying he wouldn't use an 8 string.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on March 30, 2015, 05:51:21 AM
When it comes to sounds, JP is a very meat-and-potato kind of guy. Delay and chorus, that's usually it.

No delicious chocolate cakes.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Plasmastrike on March 30, 2015, 06:41:04 AM
really?

What is this in response to?

I just think it is kind of mean spirited to talk about Petrucci's hairline.  I mean what is constructive about the criticism?  There aren't too many things that should be off limits, but talking about their genes should be one of them.  Should we ask him to be a little less "Italiany"?

No we shouldn't ask him that. Quit being silly and touchy. It's not a big deal what so ever what was said.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 30, 2015, 07:07:13 AM
really?

What is this in response to?

I just think it is kind of mean spirited to talk about Petrucci's hairline.  I mean what is constructive about the criticism?  There aren't too many things that should be off limits, but talking about their genes should be one of them.  Should we ask him to be a little less "Italiany"?

No we shouldn't ask him that. Quit being silly and touchy. It's not a big deal what so ever what was said.
Exactly. It's no different than seeing a long-lost friend of your's for the first time in several years, and later on commenting to your spouse or other friends about a change in their appearance. It's an observation more than anything else, but what he does with his appearance is fair game just like anything else. Shouldn't be the primary topic of conversation (unless he does something controversial) but it's a natural thing to do amongst fans of public figures.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 30, 2015, 07:40:01 AM
I agree of course with Blob that if there actually were any news from the studio, we'd likely be discussing that instead. But since there isn't any, this is fair game too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 30, 2015, 08:08:46 AM
When it comes to sounds, JP is a very meat-and-potato kind of guy. Delay and chorus, that's usually it.

It's better that way, IMO. JP has a very distinguishable sound. If the tone is processed too much, it starts to lose some of that individuality.

Speaking of tones, if I ever meet him I want to ask him about some of the equipment he's used in the past. I'd probably be the first person to ever ask him "How did you get your WDADU tone?"

EDIT: I read that he used a B.C Rich guitar and some Ibanez's, but he doesn't know what amp he used. Damn...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on March 30, 2015, 08:25:42 AM
I agree of course with Blob that if there actually were any news from the studio, we'd likely be discussing that instead. But since there isn't any, this is fair game too.
Yeah, basically.

For the record, I don't like JP's beard at all. It doesn't even remotely affect my opinion of their music, but personally I don't think it looks good.

And when people say image shouldn't matter, that's surely down to each individual fan? It doesn't bother me in the slightest, and that seems to be the case for many people, but for some people it does matter. And image can also be used to draw in fans. If the band genuinely have their hair and clothes based on what each of them individually wants and likes, then that's cool. I can't dispute Rumby's point that the "metal" image stepped up a lot when they joined RR and hasn't really decreased much since.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 30, 2015, 08:26:29 AM
But since there isn't any, this is hair game too.

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 30, 2015, 09:39:23 AM
I agree of course with Blob that if there actually were any news from the studio, we'd likely be discussing that instead. But since there isn't any, this is fair game too.

If we do the Christmas gift thing again, I hope I get you.  I'm sending you a year subscription to Glamour magazine.   ;)    ;D    I kid I kid of course. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 30, 2015, 10:24:11 AM
If the band genuinely have their hair and clothes based on what each of them individually wants and likes, then that's cool. I can't dispute Rumby's point that the "metal" image stepped up a lot when they joined RR and hasn't really decreased much since.

I mean, obviously we will never know for sure, but I thought the distinct switch in looks when they signed with RR, and the fact that MM suddenly had clearly-dyed, straight hair the moment he joined DT, I think strongly suggests that DT has a specific image in mind they're trying to maintain.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: GandL on March 30, 2015, 10:30:56 AM
When it comes to sounds, JP is a very meat-and-potato kind of guy. Delay and chorus, that's usually it.

It's better that way, IMO. JP has a very distinguishable sound. If the tone is processed too much, it starts to lose some of that individuality.

Speaking of tones, if I ever meet him I want to ask him about some of the equipment he's used in the past. I'd probably be the first person to ever ask him "How did you get your WDADU tone?"

EDIT: I read that he used a B.C Rich guitar and some Ibanez's, but he doesn't know what amp he used. Damn...

Doesn't remember or doesn't want to remember ? I can recall all the equipment I used ...

Anyway, I do the same, over the years I learned to remove a lot of stuff from my gear and I'm mostly left with delay, chorus and Wah.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Fiery Winds on March 30, 2015, 06:44:20 PM
Quote
Greetings from the studio-where we are busy writing this album!!


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBYoF3UUIAA1pJR.jpg)
https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/582697284326047744

8 weeks in the studio and still writing? I wonder if they decided to postpone a US tour to devote more time to the album. IIRC most of their recent output has been written in 2 months or less.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bl5150 on March 30, 2015, 07:04:38 PM
I like Jordan's taste in live Dvds  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on March 30, 2015, 09:17:43 PM
It could mean it's a double CD.    :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on March 30, 2015, 09:22:21 PM


For the record, I don't like JP's beard at all. It doesn't even remotely affect my opinion of their music, but personally I don't think it looks good.
 

That seems to be a trend in the last few years.  Guys growing their beards so thick that it looks like it hasn't been cut in years.  Pretty stupid look if you ask me, on just about anybody, but to each his own.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Infinite Cactus on March 30, 2015, 09:39:01 PM
I like Jordan's taste in live Dvds  :lol
THIS
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sfam2112 on March 30, 2015, 09:53:42 PM

Speaking of tones, if I ever meet him I want to ask him about some of the equipment he's used in the past. I'd probably be the first person to ever ask him "How did you get your WDADU tone?"

EDIT: I read that he used a B.C Rich guitar and some Ibanez's, but he doesn't know what amp he used. Damn...

He says in the WDaDR commentary he used a Randall solid state amp. That's all I got.

I like Jordan's taste in live Dvds  :lol
THIS

Is that EVH? Live Without A Net?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Infinite Cactus on March 31, 2015, 04:00:26 AM
Pretty sure it is. As a matter of fact, a screen shot of that face was my avatar for like 3 years.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bl5150 on March 31, 2015, 04:12:27 AM
Yup.........the beginning of Why can't This Be Love with Ed on keys (which were piped in for most of their subsequent tours)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mladen on March 31, 2015, 05:00:32 AM
8 weeks in the studio and still writing? I wonder if they decided to postpone a US tour to devote more time to the album. IIRC most of their recent output has been written in 2 months or less.
It could mean they're taking their time with the writing, maybe they will release the album at the beginning of 2016, which would be a welcome change from them releasing an album every two years. I'm probably saying that because I wasn't that impressed with DT12, otherwise I wouldn't mind them following the trend.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 31, 2015, 05:04:28 AM
If this next album takes them longer than usual and isn't released til Spring next year - it won't matter in the slightest if it turns out to be one of

the best they've done.

I think we've been spoiled slightly with expecting an album every other year.

Therapy? rushed out an album in 2006 and have since said that they weren't happy with it and since then have taken 3 years per album.


( and the first album they released after the 2006 one was one of their very best ).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on March 31, 2015, 07:48:59 AM
Quote
Greetings from the studio-where we are busy writing this album!!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBYoF3UUIAA1pJR.jpg)
https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/582697284326047744

8 weeks in the studio and still writing? I wonder if they decided to postpone a US tour to devote more time to the album. IIRC most of their recent output has been written in 2 months or less.

What is that guy on the screen doing? Operating a mixing board, or playing a key instrument?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 31, 2015, 07:59:50 AM
That's Eddie Van Halen playing a keyboard from a concert in 1986 or so.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bl5150 on March 31, 2015, 08:00:17 AM
See above rumbo - it's EVH on the Van Halen Live Without A Net DVD.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on March 31, 2015, 08:13:01 AM
Nice, we'll get a bonus cover CD with Jump and Hot For Teacher then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on March 31, 2015, 09:21:54 AM
Next album is Nightmare Cinema with JP on keyboards making the same silly face as EVH. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 31, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
JR's got a problem with image editing apps.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dream Team on March 31, 2015, 11:08:38 AM
It would be cool if Roth-era Van Halen was in the inspiration corner (which may no longer exist, R.I.P. since MP's departure).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SystematicThought on March 31, 2015, 11:38:30 AM
That's Eddie Van Halen playing a keyboard from a concert in 1986 or so.
Eddie Van Halen on August 27th, 1986 in New Haven, Connecticut at the New Haven Coliseum playing Why Can't This Be Love on the Live Without A Net VHS/DVD


Thank you Good Night
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Siddhartha on March 31, 2015, 12:01:34 PM
See above rumbo - it's EVH on the Van Halen Live Without A Net DVD.

I shit my pants every time I see what Sammy did during Ain´t Talking About Love in that concert.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SystematicThought on March 31, 2015, 12:09:10 PM
One slip and the Van Halen story could have forever been changed  :lol
He did that on every show too I think

Here's another one. Starts at 4:40 and ends at 5:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mnC0tEAeH8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mnC0tEAeH8)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 31, 2015, 12:51:25 PM
That's Eddie Van Halen playing a keyboard from a concert in 1986 or so.
Eddie Van Halen on August 27th, 1986 in New Haven, Connecticut at the New Haven Coliseum playing Why Can't This Be Love on the Live Without A Net VHS/DVD


Thank you Good Night

New HALEN
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SystematicThought on March 31, 2015, 03:04:34 PM
"We are renaming this town. This is now New Halen. NEW HALEN!!!! Now dig it, every time someone up here yells 5150, all you have to do is go nuts, because 5150 is a police code for someone who is crazy, flipped out. We got 12,000 5150s here tonight. Ow! 5150!!! It's a hot summer night, Edward, c'mob baby."

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Progressive Metal Fusion on March 31, 2015, 03:38:26 PM
From JR's fb account:

"Today's pic from the studio:"

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11077925_10152854287207989_4654001319436765200_n.jpg?oh=329f456f6f8ef3f17dc7f2e2d1b6bb55&oe=55A105CC&__gda__=1437455785_97dd5b5e13ddf277efba73bc5477ad0c)

Did JP cut his hair, or is just the edited photo that is playing tricks?  :o
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sfam2112 on March 31, 2015, 03:43:06 PM
From JR's fb account:

"Today's pic from the studio:"

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11077925_10152854287207989_4654001319436765200_n.jpg?oh=329f456f6f8ef3f17dc7f2e2d1b6bb55&oe=55A105CC&__gda__=1437455785_97dd5b5e13ddf277efba73bc5477ad0c)

Did JP cut his hair, or is just the edited photo that is playing tricks?  :o

I think he has it in a pony tail. ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 31, 2015, 04:29:19 PM
It would be cool if Roth-era Van Halen was in the inspiration corner (which may no longer exist, R.I.P. since MP's departure).

Never gonna happen, but that would be badass. :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SystematicThought on March 31, 2015, 05:57:19 PM
It would be cool if Roth-era Van Halen was in the inspiration corner (which may no longer exist, R.I.P. since MP's departure).
What specifically about the Roth era? The aggressive and angry guitar tone on Fair Warning was what came to my mind
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on March 31, 2015, 05:58:19 PM
I can't wait to see JR's Jack Daniels keytar.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on March 31, 2015, 06:00:39 PM
I just wish JR would upload a fucking picture without some shit all over it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SystematicThought on March 31, 2015, 06:06:15 PM
I can't wait to see JR's Jack Daniels keytar.
Myung can have the Tabasco bass
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Nest777 on March 31, 2015, 06:21:00 PM
Idk if this has been posted...

Quote
Progressive rock titans Dream Theater are currently hard at work on album number 13, which is due in September – but the groundwork for the album goes surprisingly far back. “The process started two years ago,” says guitarist John Petrucci. “The seed was planted during the promo trip for the previous album, in August 2013, and it’s something that we started to work on a little bit on the road from last January.”

Petrucci and keyboard player Jordan Rudess began putting the songs together in November 2014, with sessions beginning this February. Petrucci is remaining tight-lipped about the direction for now. “We don’t like to reveal anything this early,” he says. “And the reason is because it’s fun to do that! I think it makes it more interesting as it gets closer and you finally start to hear about it, as opposed to a built-up type of thing. We still write albums, as apposed to singles, with the mindset that people will listen to it like they’re sitting down to watch a movie. You don’t watch the first seven minutes – you sit down and watch a movie from beginning to end.”

Petrucci’s songwriting demos begin in a very stripped-down form, often as simply as an iPhone recording. “It could be as crude as me singing an idea, or playing my guitar amplified or unplugged – however an idea occurs,” he says. “Jordan does the same. Then it’s a matter of sifting through, figuring out what’s usable and what’s not. When we write together like that we focus more on what the vocal sections are, main themes… sometimes we’ll go off into instrumental parts but we save a lot of that for when we’re all together and we can jam it out.”

Source: Guitar World - April 2015
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on March 31, 2015, 07:23:24 PM
I wonder if he's putting effects on the pictures so we can't ninja search any fine details that may or may not be written on pieces of paper  :lol The laptop looks really cool in that most recent picture. It's like a portal to another dimension. I don't really mind all the effects, really. They look cool and stuff.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Flacracker on March 31, 2015, 09:43:29 PM
Idk if this has been posted...

Quote
Progressive rock titans Dream Theater are currently hard at work on album number 13, which is due in September – but the groundwork for the album goes surprisingly far back. “The process started two years ago,” says guitarist John Petrucci. “The seed was planted during the promo trip for the previous album, in August 2013, and it’s something that we started to work on a little bit on the road from last January.”

Petrucci and keyboard player Jordan Rudess began putting the songs together in November 2014, with sessions beginning this February. Petrucci is remaining tight-lipped about the direction for now. “We don’t like to reveal anything this early,” he says. “And the reason is because it’s fun to do that! I think it makes it more interesting as it gets closer and you finally start to hear about it, as opposed to a built-up type of thing. We still write albums, as apposed to singles, with the mindset that people will listen to it like they’re sitting down to watch a movie. You don’t watch the first seven minutes – you sit down and watch a movie from beginning to end.”

Petrucci’s songwriting demos begin in a very stripped-down form, often as simply as an iPhone recording. “It could be as crude as me singing an idea, or playing my guitar amplified or unplugged – however an idea occurs,” he says. “Jordan does the same. Then it’s a matter of sifting through, figuring out what’s usable and what’s not. When we write together like that we focus more on what the vocal sections are, main themes… sometimes we’ll go off into instrumental parts but we save a lot of that for when we’re all together and we can jam it out.”

Source: Guitar World - April 2015
Due in September? My lord... Also, that other info sounds amazing. I have a feeling that the easter egg at the end of IT is going to be some sort of recurring theme on the new album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on March 31, 2015, 09:56:33 PM
interesting that he reiterates the comparison of the listening to entire album and a movie going experience.   I've only listened to DT10 - D12 from front to back once each on the release days.  (I believe DT10 was the first time the 75 minute continuous listening experience of an album was suggested by the band).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on April 01, 2015, 05:37:10 AM
So the album will come out in September and according to Jordan they're still writing it? Given that MM will be on tour with UK in 3 weeks, they'll probably start recording pretty :soon:

At least now we know what JP meant when he said they had "started planting seeds" for the next album a year ago - it's cool that they've developed ideas so far ahead of the recording! :tup I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be a concept album, but I'm not going all OMG over it. :lol
JR's got a problem with image editing apps.
"Hi, my name is Jordan and I'm an image-editoholic."
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on April 01, 2015, 05:42:09 AM
Dude, it's April 1st. There is no release date yet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on April 01, 2015, 05:46:53 AM
From JR's fb account:

"Today's pic from the studio:"

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11077925_10152854287207989_4654001319436765200_n.jpg?oh=329f456f6f8ef3f17dc7f2e2d1b6bb55&oe=55A105CC&__gda__=1437455785_97dd5b5e13ddf277efba73bc5477ad0c)

Did JP cut his hair, or is just the edited photo that is playing tricks?  :o

My first thought was that it was an older picture back when he had short hair.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on April 01, 2015, 05:49:27 AM
Dude, it's April 1st. There is no release date yet.
Quote
Progressive rock titans Dream Theater are currently hard at work on album number 13, which is due in September
Source: Guitar World - April 2015
The story is legit, because there actually is an article on DT in the latest issue of Guitar World: https://www.guitarworld.com/april-2015-guitar-world-joe-satriani-tosin-abasi-and-guthrie-govan-plus-zakk-wylde-exodus-and-more
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Plasmastrike on April 01, 2015, 06:13:44 AM
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on April 01, 2015, 08:07:29 AM
Excellent news that they have been working on ideas for a long time.

Still keeping fingers crossed for Kevin Shirley. I know the sound will be good if he is on board.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on April 01, 2015, 09:08:45 AM
I wonder if he's putting effects on the pictures so we can't ninja search any fine details that may or may not be written on pieces of paper  :lol The laptop looks really cool in that most recent picture. It's like a portal to another dimension. I don't really mind all the effects, really. They look cool and stuff.

Well, I did mention to him and JP that someone here had taken a still of the frame from the video where part of FAS was showing on Jordan's tablet and programmed it to midi last album cycle, so...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on April 01, 2015, 09:28:56 AM
Just flaunting it in our face aren't you your lordship.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dream Team on April 01, 2015, 12:27:30 PM
It would be cool if Roth-era Van Halen was in the inspiration corner (which may no longer exist, R.I.P. since MP's departure).
What specifically about the Roth era? The aggressive and angry guitar tone on Fair Warning was what came to my mind

Sure, but also the attitude and catchy songwriting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: took_the_time11 on April 01, 2015, 04:36:48 PM
I'm super excited! I hope the album isn't as compressed as the last album. I think the new album will rawkkkk  :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on April 03, 2015, 01:43:22 AM
"Big day in the studio. The excitement is growing. Here is a pic from today."

(https://i.imgur.com/cUIQbG1.png)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SystematicThought on April 03, 2015, 02:00:31 AM
I like how the music is blurred out
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on April 03, 2015, 02:04:46 AM
" uh - uh - uh ! You didn't say the magic word ! uh - uh - uh ! "   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on April 03, 2015, 02:56:59 AM
I like how the music is blurred out
Couple it with that cynical JR expression, the whole scene becomes hilarious. He's like "Ha, try to decipher the music this time. Sucka!"
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 03, 2015, 03:18:04 AM
There must be some kind of unblur feature that Blob can figure out.    :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on April 03, 2015, 03:21:07 AM
Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on April 03, 2015, 03:33:44 AM
So it's pretty much confirmed there will be keyboards on the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 03, 2015, 03:48:13 AM
And they will be played by Jordan Rudess. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on April 03, 2015, 07:39:20 AM
"Big day in the studio. The excitement is growing. Here is a pic from today."

(https://i.imgur.com/cUIQbG1.png)

Why did that JR face remind me of UkaUka from Crash Bandicoot? o.o I think there's something wrong with me.

Also loltrolled cause the notes are blurred.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on April 03, 2015, 07:42:24 AM
I like how the music is blurred out
Couple it with that cynical JR expression, the whole scene becomes hilarious. He's like "Ha, try to decipher the music this time. Sucka!"
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too  :lol :lol  I love it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on April 03, 2015, 08:53:09 AM
Why did that JR face remind me of UkaUka from Crash Bandicoot? o.o I think there's something wrong with me.

HAHAHA, if there's something wrong with you, it's contagious, because I thought the same thing!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on April 03, 2015, 09:05:10 AM
I like the white 30th Anniversary logo.  I just noticed that this one doesn't have the "eyes" at the bottom of the zero, like the one on Facebook.

edit - or they're just harder to see?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 03, 2015, 09:33:52 AM
I wanna see Jordan troll us by posting something with music NOT blurred out... but upon translation we find it to be like I'm A Little Teapot.


fuck yea
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on April 03, 2015, 10:36:56 AM
So it's pretty much confirmed there will be keyboards on the album.

Surely there is keyboards on this album.



And don't call me Shirley.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on April 03, 2015, 10:38:34 AM
So it's pretty much confirmed there will be keyboards on the album.

Surely there is keyboards on this album.



And don't call me Shirley.

(https://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Leslie-Nielsen-in-Airplane.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on April 03, 2015, 10:40:56 AM
:shirley:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on April 03, 2015, 10:41:58 AM

(https://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Leslie-Nielsen-in-Airplane.jpg)

Good luck, we're all counting on you.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on April 03, 2015, 11:00:50 AM
Police Squad is on it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 03, 2015, 06:11:51 PM
"Big day in the studio. The excitement is growing. Here is a pic from today."

(https://i.imgur.com/cUIQbG1.png)

Why did that JR face remind me of UkaUka from Crash Bandicoot? o.o I think there's something wrong with me.

I totally got reminded of this:

https://youtu.be/E_PnuXelvWA?t=51
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 03, 2015, 06:12:47 PM
:lol I was thinking more Wizard of Oz
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sacul on April 03, 2015, 07:54:11 PM
(https://i59.tinypic.com/21dk46a.jpg)

Guests?  :eek :omg: :o
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on April 03, 2015, 07:57:33 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I would just interpret "guests" as their openers/support acts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 03, 2015, 08:04:36 PM
Hugh Syme makes concert posters too now?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on April 03, 2015, 08:41:53 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I would just interpret "guests" as their openers/support acts.

are you over analyzing a bit. :lol  Of course is means an opening band.  It;s always meant that.

Hugh Syme makes concert posters too now?

You're a bad boy. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on April 03, 2015, 08:50:09 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I would just interpret "guests" as their openers/support acts.
are you over analyzing a bit. :lol  Of course is means an opening band.  It;s always meant that.

Well, I was responding to Sacul's post:

Guests?  :eek :omg: :o

Which seemed to imply something else.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on April 04, 2015, 04:34:10 AM
Still seems funny to me.  What else could it be? :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on April 04, 2015, 05:38:13 AM
Still seems funny to me.  What else could it be? :lol

A Nespresso maybe? Joke aside, yes, guests means the opening act. Nothing more, nothing less.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on April 04, 2015, 05:56:11 AM
It says: "An historic concert"

 :omg:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 04, 2015, 06:17:24 AM
It says: "An historic concert"

 :omg:
Hyperbole?

Promotion?

Dare I say...

Derek Sherinian?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on April 04, 2015, 06:38:15 AM
It says: "An historic concert"

 :omg:
Hyperbole?

Promotion?

Dare I say...

Derek Sherinian?

Shall we say...Shall we....Dominici?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 04, 2015, 07:11:47 AM
Opening act Nicky Lemons and the Migraines
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 04, 2015, 09:13:15 AM
Opening act: Nicky Spanjaards and the Bleeding Ears
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on April 04, 2015, 01:03:58 PM
Opening act: Winterspell.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on April 04, 2015, 02:39:48 PM
Opening act: Nicky Spanjaards and the Bleeding Ears

:lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on April 04, 2015, 03:13:45 PM
Opening act: Adrenaline Mob going Psychosane
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 04, 2015, 03:16:55 PM
Opening act: Adrenaline Mob going Psychosane
(Exact lineup, please check on day of concert)

FTFY
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on April 04, 2015, 03:41:08 PM
It'll be a Frisbee dog.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 04, 2015, 03:45:05 PM
Opening act: Adrenaline Mob going Psychosane
(Exact lineup, please check on day of concert)

FTFY
oh snap
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on April 05, 2015, 05:48:53 PM

(https://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Leslie-Nielsen-in-Airplane.jpg)

Bingo.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on April 07, 2015, 01:05:24 AM
Why did that JR face remind me of UkaUka from Crash Bandicoot? o.o I think there's something wrong with me.
HAHAHA, if there's something wrong with you, it's contagious, because I thought the same thing!!!
Now I can see it too! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 07, 2015, 08:26:56 AM
JP (not from the studio) bbqing again. That looks damn tasty. 

(https://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/11120533_936143056437707_2061180061049528001_n_zpspokbeb2p.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on April 07, 2015, 08:33:05 AM
I'm just a poor grill...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 07, 2015, 09:17:25 AM
Trapped.  Inside, This. Bar-Be-Quariuuuuuuummmmmm!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Chino on April 07, 2015, 09:22:39 AM
Will mankind be a steaaaaak?!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on April 07, 2015, 09:23:58 AM
God I'm high, I'm a steak.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Big Hath on April 07, 2015, 10:18:43 AM
Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.

ok I ran it through the filter half a dozen times.  Here is what I came up with:

(https://i55.tinypic.com/fkwffc.gif)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on April 07, 2015, 10:23:43 AM
I think I see KFC's secret spices recipe from your decipher.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 07, 2015, 10:51:31 AM
Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.

ok I ran it through the filter half a dozen times.  Here is what I came up with:

(https://i55.tinypic.com/fkwffc.gif)
Oh, a ballad.  Nice.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on April 07, 2015, 11:58:00 AM
Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.

ok I ran it through the filter half a dozen times.  Here is what I came up with:

(https://i55.tinypic.com/fkwffc.gif)

Oh, they're trying to make music out of old, worn out jokes?  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 07, 2015, 01:23:42 PM
Hugh Syme makes concert posters too now?

Solid joke
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 07, 2015, 04:08:13 PM
Is that the first lesson of Learning Guitar With Buckethead? 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 07, 2015, 07:12:19 PM
So the guitar tone on this album is going to be a thick juicy steak?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: vtgrad on April 08, 2015, 10:15:51 AM
JP (not from the studio) bbqing again. That looks damn tasty. 

(https://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/11120533_936143056437707_2061180061049528001_n_zpspokbeb2p.jpg)

 :o JP's a communist!  Thick as they come.  Like a big juicy steak.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on April 08, 2015, 01:21:25 PM
Nice. I wonder what the rest of his family had for dinner. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaperKK on April 08, 2015, 01:24:45 PM
I'd love to get that recipe.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on April 08, 2015, 01:32:34 PM
1. Add meat
2. Add heat
3. Add pepper and salt
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: AngelBack on April 08, 2015, 01:55:00 PM
1. Add meat
2. Play Steam of Consciousness
3. Add salt and pepper
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 08, 2015, 01:57:41 PM
1. Add meat
2. Add heat
3. Add pepper and salt

So easy, even a bear could do it. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on April 10, 2015, 07:46:32 AM
Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.

ok I ran it through the filter half a dozen times.  Here is what I came up with:

(https://i55.tinypic.com/fkwffc.gif)

I hope this doesn't mean they are selling out.    :(
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on April 10, 2015, 07:52:28 AM
One of my favorite things from that:
"Note: If you are a 2nd Violinist, please do not use a 1st Violin. Use the 2nd Violin you were issued."

It just caught me funny :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: paulstfu on April 10, 2015, 10:28:14 AM
1. Add meat
2. Play Steam of Consciousness
3. Add salt and pepper

Pretty accurate.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on April 10, 2015, 05:03:39 PM
Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.

ok I ran it through the filter half a dozen times.  Here is what I came up with:

(https://i55.tinypic.com/fkwffc.gif)


Would NOT be surprised if some Asian band actually learned and performed that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on April 10, 2015, 08:13:31 PM
Yeah, it's time to undust the CSI filter, boys.

ok I ran it through the filter half a dozen times.  Here is what I came up with:

(https://i55.tinypic.com/fkwffc.gif)


Would NOT be surprised if some Asian band actually learned and performed that.

The more I look at this, the more wrong things I see about it and realize that, yes, it was a joke, no, it can't be played, no, it is unplayable and if it were played it would sound like a string quartet mutilating their respective instruments. Sexually.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Nearmyth on April 10, 2015, 09:32:30 PM
"with pesto"

That picture is a gem because you discover new things about it every day...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 10, 2015, 10:18:14 PM
This place is really dead right now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on April 10, 2015, 10:26:38 PM
The lack of updates from DT actually gives me comfort that the band is working in the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 10, 2015, 10:32:29 PM
Uh oh... with the lack of updates and studio photos, are we going to descend into a discussion about beauty tips now?    ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on April 10, 2015, 11:56:22 PM
That sheet music thing looks more like one of the experimental 1960s works by Krzysztof Penderecki.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 11, 2015, 11:49:46 AM
Uh oh... with the lack of updates and studio photos, are we going to descend into a discussion about beauty tips now?    ;)

JR crazy edited photos in free image editing iOS apps.

That's what we get.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 11, 2015, 11:59:18 AM
Apparently JR will be in Germany all next week. I'm assuming all recording is over at this point.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: the_silent_man on April 11, 2015, 01:10:45 PM
Is it just me or are they being particularly quiet about this album? Anyone remember how long into DT12's production that we got any sort of insight into the album direction/progress??
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 11, 2015, 01:57:50 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this silence is the most pronounced they've ever done for an album. I don't think JR's sudden love for editing photos is random coincidence either.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SystematicThought on April 11, 2015, 02:22:48 PM
It feels more secretive then the making of ADTOE where I think by a month into making the record, we had pictures of everyone except MM. I remember a picture of Myung where we found out they were recording at Cove City by comparing it to a picture taken during the ToT sessions
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 11, 2015, 02:44:11 PM
Wasn't SFAM kept on the DL during the making of? Maybe they're pulling the same stint? 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 11, 2015, 03:21:30 PM
Rerecording SFAM



I'm calling it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 11, 2015, 03:43:53 PM
Metropolis Y3K: Victoria's Secret
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: the_silent_man on April 11, 2015, 04:05:29 PM
I hope this means this time we may be something truly different... Maybe I'm just getting my hopes up though!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 11, 2015, 04:13:07 PM
My guess is studio documentary.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 11, 2015, 07:44:43 PM
Metropolis Part 4: The Search  For 3
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: PetFish on April 11, 2015, 08:26:29 PM
The lack of updates from DT actually gives me comfort that the band is working in the studio.

I'm more excited than usual cuz I'm not sitting here thinking about it every day like I would be if I saw daily updates.  I love going into things as fresh as possible, especially movies.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dream Team on April 12, 2015, 05:33:28 AM
My guess is studio documentary.

Mmmmm, I was hoping for that LAST album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on April 12, 2015, 07:15:36 AM
Jordan seems to have some tics?

https://phhhoto.com/i/cIkLsE89ue8
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 12, 2015, 07:33:04 AM
Jordan seems to have some tics?

https://phhhoto.com/i/cIkLsE89ue8

What time signature is he doing that in?  That's the new album's time signature.  NUGGETZZZ
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on April 12, 2015, 07:33:26 AM
Ah hidden messages ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on April 12, 2015, 08:09:50 AM
Why does JR upload this random shit ? :lol


To me it's like he has this reputation of being a technology buff so he has to use

every app going. But he uses them like a 10 yr old girl would.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 12, 2015, 08:18:25 AM
Somewhat related to your post, Kotow, but I find just about every new instrument he's showcased in the last 5 years sounds the same. He posted a video the other day with a "Linnstrument" but frankly I can't tell the difference to the Continuum, or the Seaboard, or whatever.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 12, 2015, 08:26:04 AM
Somewhat related to your post, Kotow, but I find just about every new instrument he's showcased in the last 5 years sounds the same. He posted a video the other day with a "Linnstrument" but frankly I can't tell the difference to the Continuum, or the Seaboard, or whatever.

It depends on what he's running it through. If he's running it through his lead sound, they're going to sound the same, but they're different ways of creating expression on his end. There are plenty of videos of JR using different sounds on the Seaboard though, so it doesn't sound anything like the others.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Jaq on April 12, 2015, 09:37:32 AM
Reading the posts about the amount of information we're getting from DT about the recording of this album makes me realize how spoiled we are, as a whole, by bands today with social media.

I mean, back in the day, we were lucky if we got this in a magazine, a few months after the band actually started recording because that's how print media deadlines used to work: "Band A is the studio with Producer X recording the follow up to album Y. They expect it to be out by the end of the year." And sometimes, that was it. You tended to not get big things like the title until just before release, and you rarely if ever got track listings. Hell it wasn't uncommon for a band or act to put out a press release with an album title and then change the title before the news cycle of the day could catch up with it. (Ozzy Obsourne's The Ultimate Sin was touted as being called Killer of Giants in magazine articles, and most people found out about the last minute change in title when they bought the album.)

I guess that's why when bands don't put out in studio photos and videos and we don't know the track listings months out, I just pay it little mind. It's how bands used to do things.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on April 12, 2015, 09:43:00 AM
So, so true Jaq.  Remember the same stock photos and the same stock quotes they used every article?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2015, 09:56:49 AM
The quietness from the band, plus the fact that they said they had the idea for the next album on the last tour, makes me think they have decided to do another concept album or something very, very different. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 12, 2015, 10:13:21 AM
The quietness from the band, plus the fact that they said they had the idea for the next album on the last tour, makes me think they have decided to do another concept album or something very, very different.

That's what I'm leaning towards, too, Kev. I'm still thinking a double CD, though that's just wishful thinking.  Either way, I can't wait!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 12, 2015, 10:17:27 AM
Double Album Prog Rock Opera ft: a couple special guests, including Derek Sherinian, Myles Kennedy and Zakk Wylde.



A guy can dream, right?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on April 12, 2015, 10:19:09 AM
The quietness from the band, plus the fact that they said they had the idea for the next album on the last tour, makes me think they have decided to do another concept album or something very, very different.

I would say it's a fair statement. I think it's quite likely that a concept album is currently brewing in the Dream Theater cauldron.  :tup

Single album, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 12, 2015, 10:20:16 AM
Single album, though.



Wasteland: shatterer of hopes and dreams.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on April 12, 2015, 10:28:49 AM
I remember an interview with JLB and JP where they pretty much stated that another concept album is inevitable. They just weren't sure of when. Perhaps this is the time.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on April 12, 2015, 11:08:28 AM
Jordan seems to have some tics?

https://phhhoto.com/i/cIkLsE89ue8

What time signature is he doing that in?  That's the new album's time signature.  NUGGETZZZ

To answer your question, it's a really fast 3/4. Like a waltz. Nothing too uncommon.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on April 12, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
Single album, though.



Wasteland: shatterer of hopes and dreams.

Oh, come on! A double album would mean less space for the historic songs on tour, a single album has its undeniable advantages with regard to this  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 12, 2015, 04:29:43 PM
Welcome to the wasteland,
where you find ashes,
your dreams are in ashes.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on April 12, 2015, 05:33:30 PM
So EP?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Ħ on April 12, 2015, 06:00:33 PM
I predict we'll be getting an announcement soon. They have been SO quiet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 12, 2015, 07:14:30 PM
Fuck it. All or nothing. If no Double Album... then we better just be getting a Single. (No B Side)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 12, 2015, 07:37:01 PM
Reading the posts about the amount of information we're getting from DT about the recording of this album makes me realize how spoiled we are, as a whole, by bands today with social media.

I mean, back in the day, we were lucky if we got this in a magazine, a few months after the band actually started recording because that's how print media deadlines used to work: "Band A is the studio with Producer X recording the follow up to album Y. They expect it to be out by the end of the year." And sometimes, that was it. You tended to not get big things like the title until just before release, and you rarely if ever got track listings. Hell it wasn't uncommon for a band or act to put out a press release with an album title and then change the title before the news cycle of the day could catch up with it. (Ozzy Obsourne's The Ultimate Sin was touted as being called Killer of Giants in magazine articles, and most people found out about the last minute change in title when they bought the album.)

I guess that's why when bands don't put out in studio photos and videos and we don't know the track listings months out, I just pay it little mind. It's how bands used to do things.

That is of course true. But at the same time, consider also the amount of resources that had to be thrown in back in the day to make people aware of a new album or tour. Magazines, TV time, posters plastered in the city...
In contrast, a modern band that maintains their social media well barely need any of that. With regular updates, people stay interested, and they know when stuff is happening. Take Steven Wilson's studio update videos. They generated excitement, and kept people up to date with when to expect the album (and to a small degree even what to expect). And it cost him virtually nothing.
They will of course know the band and the business behind it best. But in general it is good business sense to continue engaging your followers.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on April 12, 2015, 11:37:11 PM
I predict we'll be getting an announcement soon. They have been SO quiet.

:soon:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Laughingplace56 on April 13, 2015, 12:27:27 AM
I think they'll wait till it's closer to when they start hitting the European festivals. Announce album title and coverart, release date, maybe the 1st leg of the world tour, and say the single's coming in a few days so they can play it at the festivals.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: the_silent_man on April 13, 2015, 05:15:38 AM
^This is probably correct. I'd be surprised if the single isn't out just before the you dates. Makes sense, promotion-wise
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 06:43:15 AM
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we have NO album specifics before the tour dates.  Those all seem to be, for the most part, regular summer festival dates, and they may not have anything to do with the new music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 13, 2015, 06:47:57 AM
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we have NO album specifics before the tour dates.  Those all seem to be, for the most part, regular summer festival dates, and they may not have anything to do with the new music.
I'm with Hef on this one. Being that they said this run thru Europe are the only shows they're doing this year, it's evident that they are not tied to supporting the new album that they are working on, just as was the case with their "Escape from the Studio" tour with QR in 2003. I can't remember when they announced all the info and cover art for ToT, but I know that it was after that tour was over, being that they were writing lyrics on that tour (which is generally where the title comes from, either directly or indirectly).

edit: Just found on MP's website that apparently the info about ToT leaked around Sept. 22nd, a couple months before they planned on making the announcement themselves (and a month and a half after their summer run with QR ended). So if this next album follows a similar pattern, I wouldn't expect any album info until October or November.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 13, 2015, 06:56:12 AM
If they played those European shows without playing a new tune, that would be sad though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 13, 2015, 06:59:14 AM
If they played those European shows without playing a new tune, that would be sad though.
But not unexpected.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 07:00:00 AM
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we have NO album specifics before the tour dates.  Those all seem to be, for the most part, regular summer festival dates, and they may not have anything to do with the new music.
I'm with Hef on this one. Being that they said this run thru Europe are the only shows they're doing this year, it's evident that they are not tied to supporting the new album that they are working on, just as was the case with their "Escape from the Studio" tour with QR in 2003. I can't remember when they announced all the info and cover art for ToT, but I know that it was after that tour was over, being that they were writing lyrics on that tour (which is generally where the title comes from, either directly or indirectly).

edit: Just found on MP's website that apparently the info about ToT leaked around Sept. 22nd, a couple months before they planned on making the announcement themselves (and a month and a half after their summer run with QR ended). So if this next album follows a similar pattern, I wouldn't expect any album info until October or November.
I mean, they may well release some specific info around that time, to drum up interest.  But I just doubt that the festival tour has anything to do with the new album, so I doubt any new music will be played.

I would imagine the album will be released later in the year, with a supporting tour next year.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on April 13, 2015, 07:55:39 AM
Without a song from WDADU and DT13, the concert wouldn't cover 30 years of DT, just 28 years at most.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 07:59:02 AM
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we have NO album specifics before the tour dates.  Those all seem to be, for the most part, regular summer festival dates, and they may not have anything to do with the new music.
I'm with Hef on this one. Being that they said this run thru Europe are the only shows they're doing this year, it's evident that they are not tied to supporting the new album that they are working on, just as was the case with their "Escape from the Studio" tour with QR in 2003. I can't remember when they announced all the info and cover art for ToT, but I know that it was after that tour was over, being that they were writing lyrics on that tour (which is generally where the title comes from, either directly or indirectly).

edit: Just found on MP's website that apparently the info about ToT leaked around Sept. 22nd, a couple months before they planned on making the announcement themselves (and a month and a half after their summer run with QR ended). So if this next album follows a similar pattern, I wouldn't expect any album info until October or November.
I mean, they may well release some specific info around that time, to drum up interest.  But I just doubt that the festival tour has anything to do with the new album, so I doubt any new music will be played.

I would imagine the album will be released later in the year, with a supporting tour next year.

I'm pretty sure that in recent years the festival dates never showcased new music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 13, 2015, 08:09:35 AM
I mean, they may well release some specific info around that time, to drum up interest.  But I just doubt that the festival tour has anything to do with the new album, so I doubt any new music will be played.

I would imagine the album will be released later in the year, with a supporting tour next year.
It is possible that they could say something earlier, and especially since MP doesn't take the lead in the announcements anymore, it is possible that things might be handled differently. But if they aren't planning on releasing the album until towards the end of the year, they probably wouldn't want to release the details about it too far in advance, which was the issue that MP/DT had with the ToT info leaking 2 months before they intended to make the announcement. They didn't want to much speculation going on, which still happened - I remember people worried that ToT was gonna be a Christian album, based strictly on the song titles and the fact that MP had been working with Neal Morse - how wrong they were!

So I would expect that they would probably hold off on making any announcements until they're within a month of releasing the album.

An interesting side note I noticed is that (with the schedule as it is listed now), they are gonna be on tour during the same exact period they were for the 2003 tour with QR. Not that this means everything else is gonna mirror 2003, but an interesting detail nonetheless.
 
 
I'm pretty sure that in recent years the festival dates never showcased new music.
They haven't played material that hasn't been released since 2002 (SDoIT was released a few days after the start of the European tour), and really since 1996-1997, when they previewed material that later ended up on FII. With the advent of smart phones and digital cameras (nevermind those sneaky taping guys!) it's highly unlikely DT will ever preview unreleased material live ever again.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 08:15:03 AM

I'm pretty sure that in recent years the festival dates never showcased new music.
They haven't played material that hasn't been released since 2002 (SDoIT was released a few days after the start of the European tour), and really since 1996-1997, when they previewed material that later ended up on FII. With the advent of smart phones and digital cameras (nevermind those sneaky taping guys!) it's highly unlikely DT will ever preview unreleased material live ever again.

Damn those bootleggers.   :lol   ;)

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 08:30:04 AM
Without a song from WDADU and DT13, the concert wouldn't cover 30 years of DT, just 28 years at most.
What does that matter?  They are just celebrating their 30th anniversary this year.  That doesn't mean they have to play something from every single year.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 13, 2015, 08:31:17 AM
They're celebrating the band existing for 30 years. The only thing necessary to celebrate that is continuing to exist. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 08:32:26 AM
They're celebrating the band existing for 30 years. The only thing necessary to celebrate that is continuing to exist. :lol
:metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 08:38:55 AM
Without a song from WDADU and DT13, the concert wouldn't cover 30 years of DT, just 28 years at most.

The fault in that logic is that 30 years means starting in 1985, so then they would have to play something from the Majesty days too right? 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 08:44:23 AM
Without a song from WDADU and DT13, the concert wouldn't cover 30 years of DT, just 28 years at most.

The fault in that logic is that 30 years means starting in 1985, so then they would have to play something from the Majesty days too right?
No no, please no.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 13, 2015, 08:45:17 AM
Without a song from WDADU and DT13, the concert wouldn't cover 30 years of DT, just 28 years at most.

The fault in that logic is that 30 years means starting in 1985, so then they would have to play something from the Majesty days too right?
No no, please no.

 :lol  Vital Star anyone? 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on April 13, 2015, 08:53:10 AM
John Thinks He's Yngwie Song as an encore. I'm calling it now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mladen on April 13, 2015, 09:01:07 AM
I've finally got an excuse to get into the early Majesty stuff.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on April 13, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
I think they should bring back "Another Won"   :metal

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on April 13, 2015, 09:14:46 AM
'A Vision' is alright. Terrible vocals, awful production, but there's a decent track somewhere behind the mess. Or maybe it's just compared to the others.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 13, 2015, 10:00:42 AM
'A Vision' is alright. Terrible vocals, awful production, but there's a decent track somewhere behind the mess. Or maybe it's just compared to the others.
I think it is just as compared to the others.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on April 13, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we have NO album specifics before the tour dates.  Those all seem to be, for the most part, regular summer festival dates, and they may not have anything to do with the new music.
I'm with Hef on this one. Being that they said this run thru Europe are the only shows they're doing this year, it's evident that they are not tied to supporting the new album that they are working on, just as was the case with their "Escape from the Studio" tour with QR in 2003. I can't remember when they announced all the info and cover art for ToT, but I know that it was after that tour was over, being that they were writing lyrics on that tour (which is generally where the title comes from, either directly or indirectly).

edit: Just found on MP's website that apparently the info about ToT leaked around Sept. 22nd, a couple months before they planned on making the announcement themselves (and a month and a half after their summer run with QR ended). So if this next album follows a similar pattern, I wouldn't expect any album info until October or November.
I mean, they may well release some specific info around that time, to drum up interest.  But I just doubt that the festival tour has anything to do with the new album, so I doubt any new music will be played.

I would imagine the album will be released later in the year, with a supporting tour next year.

I'm pretty sure that in recent years the festival dates never showcased new music.
In 2011 they played OTBOA during the summer tour, though that might have only been to make Mangini a little more comfortable by giving him one of "his" songs to play.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 13, 2015, 12:17:25 PM
In 2011 they played OTBOA during the summer tour, though that might have only been to make Mangini a little more comfortable by giving him one of "his" songs to play.
While the full album had not been released yet, OtBoA had been released to the public as the lead-off single, so that's why it was played on that warm-up/opening leg of the tour. It had nothing to do with making MM more comfortable, nor was the band previewing a new song that had not been released yet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 13, 2015, 12:18:49 PM
Yes, but that was after the single was released. They did not play anything that had not been officially released.





Ninja'd by Scotty
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 13, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
Can you imagine them introducing something as "A New Song" and then they break out in to like PMU or something. lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on April 13, 2015, 12:20:09 PM
In 2011 they played OTBOA during the summer tour, though that might have only been to make Mangini a little more comfortable by giving him one of "his" songs to play.
While the full album had not been released yet, OtBoA had been released to the public as the lead-off single, so that's why it was played on that warm-up/opening leg of the tour. It had nothing to do with making MM more comfortable, nor was the band previewing a new song that had not been released yet.

How dare a person join a band and then is forced to play their back catalog!!  It's so uncomfortable!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 13, 2015, 12:30:08 PM
This is just me spitballing, but it would seem to me that they either release a single *before* the European tour, or after it. I would think people would be miffed if halfway during the tour they start playing a new tune.
As Scotty said, likely they won't do anything until after the tour.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on April 13, 2015, 12:32:14 PM
I know they had already released the song. I was just saying that perhaps they released it that early so they could play it during the summer festivals. And I guess I shouldn't have said to make him more comfortable. Just to give him a chance to show the audience what DT sounds like with Mangini's fills and style.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 13, 2015, 01:36:15 PM
Can you imagine them introducing something as "A New Song" and then they break out in to like PMU or something. lol
They already did that with OtBoA on the opening leg of the Dramatic tour...    :omg:     :biggrin:
 
 
In 2011 they played OTBOA during the summer tour, though that might have only been to make Mangini a little more comfortable by giving him one of "his" songs to play.
While the full album had not been released yet, OtBoA had been released to the public as the lead-off single, so that's why it was played on that warm-up/opening leg of the tour. It had nothing to do with making MM more comfortable, nor was the band previewing a new song that had not been released yet.
How dare a person join a band and then is forced to play their back catalog!!  It's so uncomfortable!
I know! And to think those scumbags did that to both Derek and JR when they joined the band, not even playing *any* songs they were involved in at their respective first shows!! Jerks!   :biggrin:
 
 
This is just me spitballing,
Don't be doing that here son, or I'll have to send you to the principal's office!!!


but it would seem to me that they either release a single *before* the European tour, or after it. I would think people would be miffed if halfway during the tour they start playing a new tune.
There's no way they'd start playing a new song midway thru the tour unless the album was released at that time, which is exactly what happened on the opening/warm-up leg of the Black Clouds tour. BCaSL was released midway into that leg of the tour, and at that point MP started including not only ARoP, but also ANtR in the set.
 
 
I know they had already released the song. I was just saying that perhaps they released it that early so they could play it during the summer festivals. And I guess I shouldn't have said to make him more comfortable. Just to give him a chance to show the audience what DT sounds like with Mangini's fills and style.
Right, but the point that is being discussed is whether they would perform a song that has not yet been released on this upcoming summer run of shows in Europe - not anything to do with MM being more comfortable or showing the audience his style.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on April 13, 2015, 01:50:09 PM
Can you imagine them introducing something as "A New Song" and then they break out in to like PMU or something. lol
They already did that with OtBoA on the opening leg of the Dramatic tour...    :omg:     :biggrin:

Damnit I was going to make that joke but you already beat me to it
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Calvin6s on April 13, 2015, 03:34:21 PM
Can you imagine them introducing something as "A New Song" and then they break out in to like PMU or something. lol
They already did that with OtBoA on the opening leg of the Dramatic tour...    :omg:     :biggrin:

Damnit I was going to make that joke but you already beat me to it

Standing on the backs of old songs, watch us recreate
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 13, 2015, 03:40:39 PM
:clap:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Onno on April 13, 2015, 03:51:08 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Laughingplace56 on April 14, 2015, 02:31:00 AM
Didn't that Guitar World (I  think that's the name of the magazine?) article with JP mention the album is due September? Assuming that's factual, which it may not, I don't think they'd wait until after July to say anything about it. The Enemy Inside wasn't released until August, so the single may wait until after the festival shows, but if the album's coming in September, I'd assume some info will be released between June and July.

If it's planned on being released between October and December, then I'd assume they'll wait till after the festival dates.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on April 14, 2015, 05:43:42 PM
Somewhat related to your post, Kotow, but I find just about every new instrument he's showcased in the last 5 years sounds the same. He posted a video the other day with a "Linnstrument" but frankly I can't tell the difference to the Continuum, or the Seaboard, or whatever.

I just watched the most recemt vid today.  The differenve in the Linnstrument is not the sound but the design, which allows the player to go uo and down octaves by just going up and down the board.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseCullen on April 16, 2015, 11:23:53 PM
We got an album teaser / announcement in June last time around, did we not?

Then a single before the festival shows? (I'm not too sure on this one) But september still seems plausible!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: thedrumanimal on April 17, 2015, 01:53:00 AM
I was at the Musikmesse yesterday. Early in the morning we went to the CME stand in order to see Jordans performance. He was a bit early so my friend and I had a short but very nice chat with him. I ask him how things are developing in the studio - of course he answered that everything is perfect. They have been writing music for one month now, now they are tracking the music. I told him with a twinkle in the eye that I know he is here just to tell me everything about the new album and that I want to share this information here on the DTF forum. We laughed about that and of course he replied that he will not give me any information - however after I asked if it will be a concept album? I know that he refused to give any information - however, the situation was really relaxed and we had a good laugh so I kept on asking.

He just smiled and said something like this "it will something a bit different..." - and I replied: So it will be a concept album? He replied with a huge smile that a concept album would not be anything different!! What was clear is that I would not read too much into this. I think that due to the mimics of him my questions remained completely unanswered. But what I read from his reaction was a huge satisfaction about the development and the progress of DT13.

After his performance on the CME keyboard we were able to talk to him again, there were not many people around - like 12-15 or something... We told him that we released a well-perceived prog CD under the name P.A.W.N. - The Gift of Awareness last year and that eventhough he - of course - did not play on it, nevertheless somehow he "appears" on it, due to the fact that DT and especially Jordan and his playing has such a huge impact on our writing and playing. He was really happy about what we said. We gave him a CD and he signed two for us. Such a nice and humble guy!

Later we saw him performing on the seaboard, which was amazing. I recorded like 20 minutes of that and will upload it on youtube later.

I thought to share this here in this thread since we talked about the album and I am not sure if the information that they have been busy writing for one month and now they moved forward to tracking has been posted here before.

Eventhough I followed everything they did since 1996 I am not sure about the writing time of 1 month... Is that long for their standards? How long did the writing for DT12 last?

Please apologize for my mediocre English...

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Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on April 17, 2015, 03:57:16 AM
Great, cool story bro! :tup so great that you got to talk with him. Weird that no more people were there!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on April 17, 2015, 04:00:27 AM
Great! I wonder what he meant about it being a bit different... :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 17, 2015, 04:08:30 AM
Great! I wonder what he meant about it being a bit different... :P

Dream Theater: Duets
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ddtonfire on April 17, 2015, 08:11:05 AM
I, for one, am looking forward to the JM and JLB duet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on April 17, 2015, 08:39:07 AM
Great! I wonder what he meant about it being a bit different... :P

Dream Theater: Duets

DT: Acapella
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Fiery Winds on April 17, 2015, 09:16:04 AM
They entered the studio 2.5 months ago and only started writing a month ago? I wonder what they were doing for a month and a half.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: GasparXR on April 17, 2015, 09:17:46 AM
Great! I wonder what he meant about it being a bit different... :P

Dream Theater: Duets

DT: Acapella

Dream Theater with Haken influence? Wouldn't be the first time DT takes inspiration from more contemporary bands. :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 17, 2015, 09:24:35 AM
They entered the studio 2.5 months ago and only started writing a month ago? I wonder what they were doing for a month and a half.



Trying to find the right sweet to describe the tone JP wants...



Cobbler?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: thedrumanimal on April 17, 2015, 10:18:36 AM
Here is the video of Jordan demonstrating the Seaboard and jamming with Marco Parisi and Elijah Woods.

https://youtu.be/QZYdOa6pmqI
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 17, 2015, 11:21:53 AM
They entered the studio 2.5 months ago and only started writing a month ago? I wonder what they were doing for a month and a half.
Working on a coffee order.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on April 17, 2015, 11:23:44 AM
They entered the studio 2.5 months ago and only started writing a month ago? I wonder what they were doing for a month and a half.
Working on a coffee order.

Nobody can order a coffee anymore with just cream and sugar. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 17, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
Maybe they were waiting for MM with his snow situation?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 17, 2015, 12:42:33 PM
Here is the video of Jordan demonstrating the Seaboard and jamming with Marco Parisi and Elijah Woods.

https://youtu.be/QZYdOa6pmqI

The poor guy's name is Elijah Wood? Oh man.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 17, 2015, 12:59:24 PM
Here is the video of Jordan demonstrating the Seaboard and jamming with Marco Parisi and Elijah Woods.

https://youtu.be/QZYdOa6pmqI

The poor guy's name is Elijah Wood? Oh man.

For a good solid minute I tried to make out if that was THE Frodo Baggins.   The mind plays tricks on you when you're going on...60 hours with no sleep. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on April 17, 2015, 04:22:46 PM

For a good solid minute I tried to make out if that was THE Frodo Baggins.   The mind plays tricks on you when you're going on...60 hours with no sleep.

I have no idea why you're doing that, but I couldn't even make 24 probably.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on April 17, 2015, 10:22:47 PM

For a good solid minute I tried to make out if that was THE Frodo Baggins.   The mind plays tricks on you when you're going on...60 hours with no sleep.

I have no idea why you're doing that, but I couldn't even make 24 probably.

I work the night shift.  Normally I can come home and sleep for at least a few hours. However, I've had things going on during the day so I haven't been able to sleep.  I fell asleep a little while ago for two hours.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on April 18, 2015, 01:43:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/7Y7Snov.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on April 18, 2015, 01:46:30 AM
He looks like he's holding very hard his breath!  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on April 18, 2015, 06:47:47 AM
As buff as ever :P It's also the first studio picture I've seen in a while that doesn't have tons of image editing stuff all over it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on April 18, 2015, 06:56:26 AM
Gimme just one of those guitars and I'm a happy man!

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Cable on April 18, 2015, 07:48:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/7Y7Snov.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/RickRubinSept09.jpg/220px-RickRubinSept09.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on April 18, 2015, 09:20:15 AM
Forever, and ever, and ever...  :rollin

Dear god, they look the same  :o
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on April 18, 2015, 09:26:51 AM
Throw in some Tom Araya as well.

(https://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/3bfd/Slayer__Tom_portrait_.JPG)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on April 18, 2015, 09:48:31 AM
Petryabin.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on April 18, 2015, 04:35:27 PM
John Petrucci 2045:

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Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 18, 2015, 07:44:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7Y7Snov.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/RickRubinSept09.jpg/220px-RickRubinSept09.jpg)
Beat ya to it!   :P   I already made that comparison in the thread about JP's beard here:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=10189.msg1874896#msg1874896
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 18, 2015, 08:04:16 PM
John Petrucci 2045:

(https://www.jmeshel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/hermetopascoal.jpg)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/work.3650855.7.fc550x550white.v3%202_zpsobyk0yxa.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 20, 2015, 07:23:52 AM
Isn't MM going on tour tomorrow?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on April 20, 2015, 10:27:20 AM
Isn't MM going on tour tomorrow?

Yep, UK's final tour apparently begins April 21st.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 22, 2015, 10:41:40 AM
Only somewhat related, but just found this sweet video of Marco Minnemann playing on the UK Reunion tour in 2012:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmVLp0PU93Y

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on April 22, 2015, 06:11:50 PM
MM's update:

"I'm on a slight break from DT fun and played the 1st show with U.K. tonight in San Francisco. It was a great time; fun playing a small kit too. Hope to see people in Philadelphia, New York, then Osaka and Tokyo. It is a major honor for me to play the last UK shows ever."

I laughed when I read his comment about the kit.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: countoftuscany42 on April 23, 2015, 03:42:52 PM
Thank god for friends who work at venues, just scored free tickets to the UK gig in philly and just met Mangini on their way in!  :metal
Signed my dt12 vinyl and LALP book  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on April 23, 2015, 06:05:37 PM
Thank god for friends who work at venues, just scored free tickets to the UK gig in philly and just met Mangini on their way in!  :metal
Signed my dt12 vinyl and LALP book  :tup

Congrats man :metal

That would be a highlight of my life if that ever happened to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on April 24, 2015, 08:17:27 AM
Thank god for friends who work at venues, just scored free tickets to the UK gig in philly and just met Mangini on their way in!  :metal
Signed my dt12 vinyl and LALP book  :tup

Congrats man :metal

That would be a highlight of my life if that ever happened to me.

That is awesome! A similar thing happened to me when I met Mangini at the Dedham, MA cinema when they showed Live at Luna Park. He was just there to watch the movie, but stayed afterwards to take pictures with the few fans that came out to the show. Very down to Earth, very nice and personable. Congrats on getting to meet him and siggies! ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on April 24, 2015, 08:54:34 AM
Thank god for friends who work at venues, just scored free tickets to the UK gig in philly and just met Mangini on their way in!  :metal
Signed my dt12 vinyl and LALP book  :tup

No studio update?  :lol

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: dream416 on April 29, 2015, 11:06:58 AM
John Petrucci 2045:

(https://www.jmeshel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/hermetopascoal.jpg)

This is just gold......lol. The likeness is uncanny.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on April 30, 2015, 03:23:43 AM
Here's Mangini doing great with UK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMWpw_-pyGs

This has clearer drums:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9E_7q0w5mk

There were some hits where I felt some bit of tentativeness or restraint in terms of fills, then I listened to the studio version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRkkJKf-hnA

MM was actually replicating the fills of Bill Bruford including the fills that sound restrained. MM the chameleon is again at work here. Even the drum kit sounds a bit retro. (He did play more Mangini-esque in the end. You can hear him following the instruments in the final movement, for example.).

It's a different approach from Virgil Donati, who, you could hear from this link, sounds very Donati-esque in his interpretation of the same song.

https://youtu.be/TlunvUSOaIs?t=1h8m11s

There's also a Minnemann version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na4aBPLxf_w

This is like watching the DT drummer auditions, I love it.  :rollin We can actually see the same differences in styles noted by DT when they assessed these drummers. Mangini is most faithful to the source, Donati is the most stylish, while Minnemann is the most...joyful? :p
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on April 30, 2015, 06:26:30 AM
Wow, that's a great post.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: devieira73 on April 30, 2015, 06:53:57 AM
erwinrafael, thank you for the links! :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: devieira73 on April 30, 2015, 06:55:37 AM
sorry, double post!  :facepalm:
And yes, very cool post!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 30, 2015, 07:03:14 AM
Of the three drummers,  Minnemann (as usual) is my favorite version. Donati has a tendency to make drum fills these "artful bursts outside time", which sounds weird. Mangini's version, maybe it's just the camera audio, but it sounds like he's hammering the snare to death.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on April 30, 2015, 07:56:16 AM
Loving how frisky Minnemann is with the bass drum in his fills.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: devieira73 on April 30, 2015, 08:11:35 AM
For the last posts, DT drummer auditions all over again and again...  :lol Like, Minneman is my favorite for UK, but Mangini is truly great on UK, although personally I really would like to see Gavin Harrison or Bobby Jarzombek on UK :rollin
Anyway, I found a sequence of good videos of Mangini on UK: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=UK+Live+%40+The+Highline+Ballroom+NYC.+4%2F24%2F15
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on April 30, 2015, 08:12:15 AM
The Minnemann video seems to be a professional recording, so the sound is much better. Maybe if we cam get a better sounding audio of Mangini, we could hear more of the bass work. I assume that Minnemann's would sound more impressive because Mangini is trying to stay as close to Bruford.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on April 30, 2015, 08:33:36 AM
Back when Mangini first joined Dream Theater - it was nigh on impossible to find a video clip of him playing or soloing on YouTube that wasn't diabolical audio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on April 30, 2015, 09:17:28 AM
LOL. Is this legit? We have a DT version also?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8zUE-y-jTwc
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 30, 2015, 09:22:22 AM
You didn't know this? How do you think they came up with the solo in Trial of Tears?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Progressive Metal Fusion on April 30, 2015, 09:36:35 AM
I prefer Donati's interpretation. I still think that DT would have done a huge step forward with him on drums, but nevermind.

Anyway, we're almost in May, it's time for some official news?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2015, 10:13:29 AM
You didn't know this? How do you think they came up with the solo in Trial of Tears?
Yeah, no kidding.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: FLEEBS on April 30, 2015, 10:20:39 AM

Anyway, we're almost in May, it's time for some official news?

Seriously. This is getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on April 30, 2015, 10:30:29 AM
Even though I usually prefer the regular studio-videos and updates routine, I must say I'm digging this secretive approach at the moment.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: James Mypetgiress on April 30, 2015, 10:47:09 AM
Even though I usually prefer the regular studio-videos and updates routine, I must say I'm digging this secretive approach at the moment.
So am I. I think it's interesting
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 30, 2015, 11:38:40 AM
Um, yeah, I guess.  Doesn't bother me either way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 30, 2015, 12:32:11 PM
Dunno, I personally don't think it's the greatest PR move. It's not as if DT is in a stage of their career where hordes of people are sitting on the edge of their seat waiting for the next release. If that was the case, radio silence could build suspense. But right now, frankly, the DT section has tumbleweed rolling through it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on April 30, 2015, 12:32:29 PM
The lack of updates makes it easier to kinda 'forget' there's a new album coming, therefore the anticipation isn't driving me fuckin nuts. haha
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Scorpion on April 30, 2015, 01:00:56 PM
Dunno, I personally don't think it's the greatest PR move. It's not as if DT is in a stage of their career where hordes of people are sitting on the edge of their seat waiting for the next release. If that was the case, radio silence could build suspense. But right now, frankly, the DT section has tumbleweed rolling through it.

But DT also have quite a devoted fanbase who will probably buy the new album when it comes out, regardless of how many updates they gave on its creation. And while I don't really care all that much, I do prefer this approach to just spamming us with videos that don't contain any content beyond "This album is going to be good." because they feel obligated to do so.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 30, 2015, 01:26:52 PM
I don't know, don't you get the impression that the die-hards are dwindling too?

And maybe it's just me, seeing some studio footage always excites me, particularly when it has a few snippets of music in it. Steven Wilson's studio vignettes were freaking awesome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: James Mypetgiress on April 30, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
I don't know, don't you get the impression that the die-hards are dwindling too?

And maybe it's just me, seeing some studio footage always excites me, particularly when it has a few snippets of music in it. Steven Wilson's studio vignettes were freaking awesome.
I partially agree with you. I wouldn't say that the die-hard fans are dwindling, but I do love seeing studio updates. I think it's really just about getting a balance between keeping people happy and keeping it "shrouded in mystery." I think that at the moment, they're perhaps doing a little too much of the latter, however.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on April 30, 2015, 02:03:52 PM
Back when Mangini first joined Dream Theater - it was nigh on impossible to find a video clip of him playing or soloing on YouTube that wasn't diabolical audio.
This video was on YouTube a long time ago, now they uploaded again after years of absence. It has by far the best audio quality of any MM drum solo, and the playing is extremely fun to watch and listen to as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxiMuk3FkIY

I prefer Donati's interpretation. I still think that DT would have done a huge step forward with him on drums, but nevermind.
I second this. Donati has such a unique style and technique, feels like he's in a different league than everyone else. I think if DT wanted to explore uncharted territories, freshen up their style, kick their technical side up a notch, and integrate technical fusion elements into their music, Donati would have been the way to go. Understandably, that never was their intention and, apparently, Donati wasn't keen on joining either. I'm perfectly happy with MM, ADTOE, DT12 and BTFW are among my very favorites, but still, a DT album with Donati is a big "what if" fantasy of mine.

But right now, frankly, the DT section has tumbleweed rolling through it.
Yeah, no kidding. I'm no veteran, but since I joined the forum (2012) it never was this deserted, not even close. Were there other slow periods like this or did we just hit rock bottom?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sacul on April 30, 2015, 02:05:16 PM
I honestly prefer it this way, with very low expectations. I want the band to surprise me with whatever they do. Remember the hype towards DT12 was ridiculous, and it didn't do it favours.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 30, 2015, 02:09:48 PM
Yeah, no kidding. I'm no veteran, but since I joined the forum (2012) it never was this deserted, not even close. Were there other slow periods like this or did we just hit rock bottom?

Well, this is a bit of an unspoken reality around here, but DTF has been steadily dwindling. Check out https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?action=stats ,specifically when you expand the month-by-month stats at the bottom. These days we just barely make it over 10k posts per month, when even in 2011 is was still more than 3 times as many. Google Trends for the term "Dream Theater" looks very similar.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Scorpion on April 30, 2015, 02:36:43 PM
I don't know, don't you get the impression that the die-hards are dwindling too?

And maybe it's just me, seeing some studio footage always excites me, particularly when it has a few snippets of music in it. Steven Wilson's studio vignettes were freaking awesome.

Perhaps they are dwindling, it does seem that way. In fact, I didn't notice how deserted this was until just now - shows how much I still follow the band, I guess. :P

But I didn't find the studio footage from DT12 very exciting. I mean, SW's was great, but DT aren't SW and I'd rather not have them feel obligated to do something that they don't want to do and then fill it up with Jordan going nuts on the image-editing and James saying how much the new album will rawk and how it's going to be their best since Images and Words.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on April 30, 2015, 03:34:44 PM
Yeah, no kidding. I'm no veteran, but since I joined the forum (2012) it never was this deserted, not even close. Were there other slow periods like this or did we just hit rock bottom?

Well, this is a bit of an unspoken reality around here, but DTF has been steadily dwindling. Check out https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?action=stats ,specifically when you expand the month-by-month stats at the bottom. These days we just barely make it over 10k posts per month, when even in 2011 is was still more than 3 times as many. Google Trends for the term "Dream Theater" looks very similar.

This is actually quite interesting to look at. I haven't thought about it too much, but personally, I just don't spend much time in the Dream Theater subforum, in part because I don't listen to the band all that much at this time, but more importantly because there are just very few interesting topics in here.

On the other hand, I think the General Music subforum is still going pretty strong. Probably because it's a collection of people who have some overlap in music taste talking about a wider variety of bands, instead of a subform that basically mandates that a number of users maintain a fairly strong interest in Dream Theater for a long time. The quality of the General Music subforum here is actually one of the big reasons why this is probably the forum on which I have maintained the longest period of activity. I think I joined very early into the DT12 hype, so I'm over two years now, which isn't a whole lot, but it's pretty high for me, and it's because the forum grew with me, so to speak, as I evolved from intense DT fandom to having a wider diversity of musical interests. The quality of General Music (and, realistically, Polls/Survivors, which I consider to be an offshoot of General Music), along with, of course, the quality of the forum staff and userbase, is really what makes DTF worth it for me.

Numbers aren't everything, though, and I'm not all that worried about DTF. There seems to be a core group of users of a pretty decent size who don't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon. Same with DT's fanbase, really. While it's interesting to see the numbers on both DTF and DT, I don't really see them as a dying forum and a dying band.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on April 30, 2015, 04:13:24 PM
Yeah, no kidding. I'm no veteran, but since I joined the forum (2012) it never was this deserted, not even close. Were there other slow periods like this or did we just hit rock bottom?

Well, this is a bit of an unspoken reality around here, but DTF has been steadily dwindling. Check out https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?action=stats ,specifically when you expand the month-by-month stats at the bottom. These days we just barely make it over 10k posts per month, when even in 2011 is was still more than 3 times as many. Google Trends for the term "Dream Theater" looks very similar.

That might be, but activity on online forums in general is down a lot over the years, largely because I think younger people tend to go now more towards social media rather than forums.  Activity on this site is still pretty high, especially considering we are in an in between period for the band at the moment.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on April 30, 2015, 04:16:20 PM
They're not a dying band, but I suspect the grand days of the big venues they played under RR are slowly coming to an end. They are not going to be a Rush who 40 years into their career still fill huge venues.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 30, 2015, 05:15:35 PM
Speaking for myself (in the deserted forum topic), upon giving it a little thinking I came to the conclusion that the reason I don't hang here that much anymore is that every song, album, bootleg, performance and nuance in the band has already been discussed to death. That's not a bad thing, it's just the way it is. Also, considering that every now and then new members join the forum, discussions will always keep showing up. DT's discography isn't endless, so the 'new' conversation topics somehow got to an end; also taking into account that things have been dead quiet in DT land since the release of the Boston DVD.

I know most bands are like this, but not all fans were used to a Portnoy-ish type of treatment, in which we constantly received goodies, photos, rarities, etc. Now, when DT releases their new album, we will be discussing it for a couple of months; the setlist of their show won't change and we will discuss it for another couple of months and so on, until we reach once again a silent period. It's not a bad thing per se, it's just that DT has become more of a regular band, whereas back then I felt really embraced by the band for being a loyal fan.

My two cents. You may continue your conversation, gentlemen.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 01, 2015, 12:44:50 AM
Hello, update, anyone?  >:(  They're in the studio since february. Portnoy would have kept the interest in the band going. No doubt about it. It will pick up around the time of a new release. It always does. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 01, 2015, 01:21:51 AM
There's definitely no point in following any of their social media. They're all just auto-generated marketing entries generated by management.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 01, 2015, 01:35:52 AM
There's definitely no point in following any of their social media. They're all just auto-generated marketing entries generated by management.

Except for Jordan.  He's obviously been watching too much Scooby Doo in the studio. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 01, 2015, 01:39:29 AM
There's definitely no point in following any of their social media. They're all just auto-generated marketing entries generated by management.

Except for Jordan.  He's obviously been watching too much Scooby Doo in the studio. 

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/metropolis2000.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on May 01, 2015, 01:41:48 AM
:lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 01, 2015, 01:46:08 AM
See what I mean.  Now we know why everything is so damn secretive and quiet. They've all had one too many Scooby Snax
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on May 01, 2015, 01:49:29 AM
That might be, but activity on online forums in general is down a lot over the years, largely because I think younger people tend to go now more towards social media rather than forums.  Activity on this site is still pretty high, especially considering we are in an in between period for the band at the moment.

DT's facebook likes have also dropped with 3,81% (almost 150'000) since september last year. Yeah I like statistics..
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ErHaO on May 01, 2015, 02:32:34 AM
I am not worried. Could be the crowd is getting a bit smaller, but that happens to most artists really. 

DT does seem to have loyal buyers and often gets new releases in one way or another. For example, you can buy their vinyls in almost any recordshop over here and they are one of the very few metal bands of which new releases can often be found in regular media stores.

Also, I do not even have half of my favourite artists liked on fb and neither google most of them. I often look at the big release lists and check stuff out on streaming services nowadays (I use Deezer). Now that I think of it, do we have something like spotify numbers btw? And how does this affect the band?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on May 01, 2015, 03:04:11 AM
I posted it in the Haken thread, but I'll post it here too:

"With @mikeportnoy Max and @erenbasbug at the Haken and Next to None show in NYC tonight!"

(https://i.imgur.com/93XoVZd.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 01, 2015, 03:17:04 AM
And I will repeat it here, that is so fucking awesome!!   :hefdaddy    :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on May 01, 2015, 03:41:33 AM
Now that I think of it, do we have something like spotify numbers btw? And how does this affect the band?

Dream Theater has 180'403 followers on Spotify. As to how that affects the band, no idea.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 01, 2015, 08:44:48 AM
I posted it in the Haken thread, but I'll post it here too:

"With @mikeportnoy Max and @erenbasbug at the Haken and Next to None show in NYC tonight!"

(https://i.imgur.com/93XoVZd.jpg)

It's so nice to see Rudess and Portnoy hanging out, with such genuine smiles on their faces :)

Now then, Rudess... Studio update?  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on May 01, 2015, 08:52:09 AM
That might be, but activity on online forums in general is down a lot over the years, largely because I think younger people tend to go now more towards social media rather than forums.  Activity on this site is still pretty high, especially considering we are in an in between period for the band at the moment.
DT's facebook likes have also dropped with 3,81% (almost 150'000) since september last year. Yeah I like statistics..
I've read that in March FB started to remove page likes from inactive accounts, and as a result all pages have less likes than they did at the beginning of the year.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: comment on May 01, 2015, 12:26:15 PM
Love to get an update from the band since they went in about 2 months ago.  Kinda wish they would drop an EP soon too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 01, 2015, 12:46:29 PM
Love to get an update from the band since they went in about 2 months ago.  Kinda wish they would drop an EP soon too.
I don't think they'll do that. The Wither EP was just a promo, and CoS was, if I remember correctly, because the fans wanted an official release of the song, but it had to be on an EP, not a full length, to keep the label happy...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: comment on May 01, 2015, 12:56:01 PM
Love to get an update from the band since they went in about 2 months ago.  Kinda wish they would drop an EP soon too.
I don't think they'll do that. The Wither EP was just a promo, and CoS was, if I remember correctly, because the fans wanted an official release of the song, but it had to be on an EP, not a full length, to keep the label happy...

Yeah, I hear ya.  I'd just love to hear some word or new snippet about now...  I wonder how their side stuff is going.  Like JPs solo album for instance.  He mentioned it like a year ago or something.   :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: FLEEBS on May 01, 2015, 01:43:30 PM
Yeah, I hear ya.  I'd just love to hear some word or new snippet about now...  I wonder how their side stuff is going.  Like JPs solo album for instance.  He mentioned it like a year ago or something.   :yarr

We are way overdue for some news, that's for sure.

I saw and met Petrucci at a clinic in Colorado last year in April, and when someone asked if he would ever do another solo record, he said yes, and the way he made it sound was like he was definitely in the process of working on it. I don't remember the exact wording or the way it all went down, but it left me rather excited.

Break the silence, guys! Please?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on May 01, 2015, 01:57:29 PM
Honestly what can they really say at this point in the process? They can't give any specific details about anything w/o giving too much away.
The big marketing push comes when they are much closer to release time. Interviews, a single, maybe a video..etc. but at this juncture
there really isn't much to say. You don't want to generate hype too early and then have it slowly fizzle out. You want mega hype at release
time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 01, 2015, 02:04:13 PM
wtf. Thousands of artists manage to give studio updates without giving away "too much".

There is a lot of downtime/joking around in a studio. Take videos of that, upload.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on May 01, 2015, 02:11:13 PM
That is true but it's never really been DT's style. They have always been guarded about details until it's gets closer to release date.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mladen on May 01, 2015, 02:34:48 PM
Does it really matter? Maybe it would be more fun if they pulled a Bowie or Radiohead and simply went "The new album is coming out next week." I mean, whatever, updates and small videos are all fine, but it's not really crucial in my opinion.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 01, 2015, 03:03:21 PM
Now that I think of it, do we have something like spotify numbers btw? And how does this affect the band?

Dream Theater has 180'403 followers on Spotify. As to how that affects the band, no idea.

It means that each member gets an extra 35 bucks at the end of the year (James only gets $28.50 with the Canadian conversion rate)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on May 01, 2015, 03:37:06 PM
Per follower, or in total? The first scenario is very much and the second is very little.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 01, 2015, 04:42:11 PM
Per follower, or in total? The first scenario is very much and the second is very little.

Probably in total. My music is on Spotify and despite me not having any middle men - just a distributor and me - I still only get £1 for every 10,000 plays.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 01, 2015, 06:03:53 PM
Does it really matter? Maybe it would be more fun if they pulled a Bowie or Radiohead and simply went "The new album is coming out next week." I mean, whatever, updates and small videos are all fine, but it's not really crucial in my opinion.

Dunno, just my personal taste I guess. To me, DT's allure often was that they were the parked Ferrari with the hood propped up.  You'd walk up, and just be mesmerized by how everything worked, all those intricate parts, and you knew how everything worked and still be enthralled by the orchestration of all those independently moving parts, coming together to produce that infernal roar you love.

Sorry, maybe a bit too nostalgic/poetic :lol I just miss the days where there was no metal pretense, no neck beards; no click tracks, no taped backing vocals. They were the Beastie Boys of metal, the guys who wore sneakers, who played just plain good music because the world needed to have that music in existence.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on May 02, 2015, 02:11:11 AM
Does it really matter? Maybe it would be more fun if they pulled a Bowie or Radiohead and simply went "The new album is coming out next week." I mean, whatever, updates and small videos are all fine, but it's not really crucial in my opinion.

Dunno, just my personal taste I guess. To me, DT's allure often was that they were the parked Ferrari with the hood propped up.  You'd walk up, and just be mesmerized by how everything worked, all those intricate parts, and you knew how everything worked and still be enthralled by the orchestration of all those independently moving parts, coming together to produce that infernal roar you love.

Sorry, maybe a bit too nostalgic/poetic :lol I just miss the days where there was no metal pretense, no neck beards; no click tracks, no taped backing vocals. They were the Beastie Boys of metal, the guys who wore sneakers, who played just plain good music because the world needed to have that music in existence.

Or maybe it is that you are just old?!? :biggrin: Which reminds me that I am too.... :rollin

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on May 02, 2015, 02:32:27 AM
"Vibing in the studio on a beautiful Steinway grand."

https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/10152922658377989/?_rdr
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 02, 2015, 02:58:10 AM
"Vibing in the studio on a beautiful Steinway grand."

https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/10152922658377989/?_rdr
Love how the top rated facebook comment is "How did you learn to play like that?" half expecting a response from Jordan of "you can never be like me! Don't even attempt it"
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on May 02, 2015, 03:33:58 AM
Tbh, I could listen to hours of that.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on May 02, 2015, 03:34:57 AM
Something like this in a DT song would be great. Let the guy play, it seems like his potential is being restricted for the albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 02, 2015, 05:01:17 AM
Who's restricting him?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on May 02, 2015, 05:13:42 AM
I just miss the days where there was no metal pretense, no neck beards; no click tracks, no taped backing vocals. They were the Beastie Boys of metal, the guys who wore sneakers, who played just plain good music because the world needed to have that music in existence.
Nicely put, I feel your sentiments. I could do without the metull, the beards, the dyed hair (ew!), the click tracks and the backing vocals as well, I'd certainly prefer the alternative in all these cases. I remember watching the Live in Tokyo commentary and JP mentioned how he looked like Jerry Seinfeld with the clean shave and the white sneakers, and - as an avid Seinfeld fan, among other things - I was like "yeah, these guys were way cooler back in those days."

However, especially with regards to the clicks and backing vocals, I can definitely understand them wanting to change things up a bit musically. I play drums in a couple of bands and I recently started playing everything to a click and it's such a refreshing experience. I can also easily see JP enjoying the heck out of his record long beard. Not sure about MM and his hairdo, though. I guess he feels that his long awaited and overdue "superstar" status comes with such spoils. Maybe the metal pretense is the only case where the "cuz that's what sells and that's what fans expect" angle is at play.

The bottom line for me (and probably where our conclusions differ) is that none of the above really matters as long as the music itself is good. I view the MM-era as a musically pivotal period in DT's career and I find it amazing that, after all these years and all these albums of complex and sophisticated music, they still have so much steam left in them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 02, 2015, 06:27:44 AM
Who's restricting him?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on May 02, 2015, 06:35:59 AM
"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"

Now, that is not a criticism of Portnoy because, hey, sometimes you have to talk your own band up, since, if you don't, no none else will sometimes :lol, but if silence means more focus and a better result, I am fine with it.

Granted, those updates he gave were usually cool and did generate a bit of excitement during the album-making process, but I thought we all knew by now that that kind of thing is not really the forte of anyone still in the band.

Ultimately, little updates and nuggets from the band along the way have nothing to do with how good the album will end up being, and to me, the end result, the music, is what matters the most.  I don't remember them giving us much during the makings of ADTOE and DT12, and both of those albums turned out pretty great and really good, respectively, IMO.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on May 02, 2015, 07:15:25 AM
"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"
CAN U HANDLE IT??!?!?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 02, 2015, 07:55:16 AM
I've been enjoying the lack of updates, to be honest. The album is still months away, and the less I know about it, the more excited I'll be when I finally spin the album for the first time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on May 02, 2015, 08:06:21 AM
"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"
BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:

The Best of Times=ACOS
The Count of Tuscany=Octavarium
it gets trickier from here
The Glass Prison could be both TSF and ANTR.
LTL=AROP? Wither?
PMU=?

Damn, this is way harder than finding the links between I&W and ADTOE. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on May 02, 2015, 08:13:41 AM
Not even sure anymore, but I just know that that quote became kind of a running joke, because the new songs did not match up to their supposed past counterparts, when Portnoy probably meant they were similar in style, but when you compare new songs to old classics, comparing the quality will happen, which is why I think that is one case where the pre-album hype came back to bite them a little bit (since the album isn't that popular now anyway, and when comparing the songs off it to Octavarium, Learning to Live, etc., it falls even shorter).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Scorpion on May 02, 2015, 08:28:34 AM
I would take every song on Black Clouds except for A Rite of Passage over the snoozefest that is Octavarium.

/controversialopinion
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 02, 2015, 08:36:30 AM
I would take every song on Black Clouds except for A Rite of Passage over the snoozefest that is Octavarium.

#controversialopinion
I love both...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 02, 2015, 08:49:34 AM
Even more controversial opinion: I really like all the songs on BC&SL and think it's a pretty great album overall.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sacul on May 02, 2015, 10:20:13 AM
I guess I'm alone on this, but I actually prefer FII a bit more than I&W.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Scorpion on May 02, 2015, 11:09:43 AM
I guess I'm alone on this, but I actually prefer FII a bit more than I&W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLScpWIbxjY
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 02, 2015, 11:25:58 AM
I would take every song on Black Clouds except for A Rite of Passage over the snoozefest that is Octavarium.

/controversialopinion

I love Black Clouds, but the only song on that album that comes remotely close to the greatness of Octavarium is TCoT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 02, 2015, 07:01:14 PM
Looks like MM's UK gig is finished.

"It was a huge honor for me to play with U.K. for their very last shows. Not only was the music really fun to play, but both the band and crew were great to work with. I have so much gratitude flowing in me as I keep ending up playing with responsible, talented, very respectful and nice people to be on and off stage with."
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 02, 2015, 10:21:15 PM
I guess I'm alone on this, but I actually prefer FII a bit more than I&W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLScpWIbxjY

I'd rank FII just a smidge behind IaW, but it's close enough that I would like to join your club so we can listen to FII.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: PetFish on May 02, 2015, 10:36:57 PM
Hello, update, anyone?  >:(  They're in the studio since february. Portnoy would have kept the interest in the band going.

So why is my interest in the band even STRONGER right now WITHOUT daily social spam and minutiae?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 02, 2015, 10:39:49 PM
Hello, update, anyone?  >:(  They're in the studio since february. Portnoy would have kept the interest in the band going.

So why is my interest in the band even STRONGER right now WITHOUT daily social spam and minutiae?

Because you're doing it wrong? :P

I might actually have some interest if DT-side wasn't thoroughly dead due to lack of news.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2015, 03:56:29 AM
I guess I'm alone on this, but I actually prefer FII a bit more than I&W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLScpWIbxjY

I'd rank FII just a smidge behind IaW, but it's close enough that I would like to join your club so we can listen to FII.

I rank Falling Into Infinity above Awake.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 03, 2015, 05:29:17 AM
I guess I'm alone on this, but I actually prefer FII a bit more than I&W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLScpWIbxjY

I'd rank FII just a smidge behind IaW, but it's close enough that I would like to join your club so we can listen to FII.

I rank Falling Into Infinity above Awake.

In my case, I think that's a given. :lol FII is my 4th, Awake is in the bottom 1/3.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on May 03, 2015, 07:46:05 AM
If you look for the word "grower" in the dictionary, you will find "FII".  ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on May 03, 2015, 07:50:13 AM
If you look for the word "grower" in the dictionary, you will find "FII".  ;)

True. On first listen, I hated it. Now, it's one of my favourites.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 03, 2015, 08:19:57 AM
If you look for the word "grower" in the dictionary, you will find "FII".  ;)

Actually I find Systematic Chaos in my dictionary.   ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on May 03, 2015, 09:14:39 AM
If you look for the word "grower" in the dictionary, you will find "FII".  ;)

Actually I find Systematic Chaos in my dictionary.   ;)

TRUE. Right beside  ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 03, 2015, 09:48:11 AM
If you look for the word "grower" in the dictionary, you will find "FII".  ;)

Actually I find Systematic Chaos in my dictionary.   ;)

TRUE. Right beside  ;)

Train of Thought falls under that category for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on May 03, 2015, 11:07:12 AM
If you look for the word "grower" in the dictionary, you will find "FII".  ;)

Actually I find Systematic Chaos in my dictionary.   ;)

TRUE. Right beside  ;)

Train of Thought falls under that category for me.

I could easily agree with you soon. And that's it. Sadly, I don't see 8V, BC&SL & DT12 on that category.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 03, 2015, 02:42:02 PM
"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"
BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:

The Best of Times=ACOS
The Count of Tuscany=Octavarium
it gets trickier from here
The Glass Prison could be both TSF and ANTR.
LTL=AROP? Wither?
PMU=?
Pretty sure it was:
ANtR = ACoS
ARoP = PMU
Wither = none
TSF = TGP
TBoT = LtL
TCoT = 8v
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 03, 2015, 04:13:45 PM
"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"
BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:

The Best of Times=ACOS
The Count of Tuscany=Octavarium
it gets trickier from here
The Glass Prison could be both TSF and ANTR.
LTL=AROP? Wither?
PMU=?
Pretty sure it was:
ANtR = ACoS
ARoP = PMU
Wither = none
TSF = TGP
TBoT = LtL
TCoT = 8v

If you ask me, none of those compare well at all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2015, 04:40:19 PM
"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"
BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:

The Best of Times=ACOS
The Count of Tuscany=Octavarium
it gets trickier from here
The Glass Prison could be both TSF and ANTR.
LTL=AROP? Wither?
PMU=?
Pretty sure it was:
ANtR = ACoS
ARoP = PMU
Wither = none
TSF = TGP
TBoT = LtL
TCoT = 8v

If you ask me, none of those compare well at all.

Yes. If anything - the BC&SL counterparts are all worse.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Scorpion on May 03, 2015, 04:43:09 PM
The Count of Tuscany > Octavarium

COME AT ME
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2015, 04:58:57 PM
The Count of Tuscany > Octavarium

COME AT ME

:bosk1:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 03, 2015, 06:02:52 PM
The Count of Tuscany > Octavarium

COME AT ME

WHY I NEVER
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 03, 2015, 08:55:07 PM
The Count of Tuscany > Octavarium

COME AT ME

I like the Count of Tuscany over Octavarium,  particularly the last verses of the TCOT.  Even if the story seems tad too strange, I, for some reason, can relate to that part when I hear the words "Could this be the end? Is this the way I die? Sitting here alone. No one by my side."
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 04, 2015, 05:30:58 AM
"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"
BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:

The Best of Times=ACOS
The Count of Tuscany=Octavarium
it gets trickier from here
The Glass Prison could be both TSF and ANTR.
LTL=AROP? Wither?
PMU=?
Pretty sure it was:
ANtR = ACoS
ARoP = PMU
Wither = none
TSF = TGP
TBoT = LtL
TCoT = 8v

Those are some poor comparisons, Scotty.  Wouldn't you agree?  Maybe TSF = TGP, but that's because some of the same melodies appear in both songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 04, 2015, 05:42:32 AM
"BC&SL has songs like Learning to Live, A Change of Seasons, Pull Me Under, The Glass Prison and Octavarium all on it!"
BTW, is there a consensus regarding which song was supposed to be which? I guess:

The Best of Times=ACOS
The Count of Tuscany=Octavarium
it gets trickier from here
The Glass Prison could be both TSF and ANTR.
LTL=AROP? Wither?
PMU=?
Pretty sure it was:
ANtR = ACoS
ARoP = PMU
Wither = none
TSF = TGP
TBoT = LtL
TCoT = 8v

Those are some poor comparisons, Scotty.  Wouldn't you agree?  Maybe TSF = TGP, but that's because some of the same melodies appear in both songs.
The comparisons might not be great, but I think we're talking about general feel/song length, not carbon copy and/or structure like IaW/ADToE. I know that the ARoP to PMU comparison is correct for a fact (heavy, catchy, 8 minute-ish songs). If the others are incorrect, then what do you think they'd be otherwise?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 04, 2015, 06:04:07 AM
I'm not saying you're assumptions are wrong. I'm just saying that MP's descriptions misled us.  Don't get me wrong BC&SL has grown on me a lot lately.  So I love the CD more than I did last year at this time.  I just would not even attempt the compare ANTR to ACOS or TBOT to LTL.  Thinking more about it, I could see the TCOT to 8V comparison. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on May 04, 2015, 08:53:04 AM
The Count of Tuscany > Octavarium
:hifive:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ZirconBlue on May 04, 2015, 10:05:41 AM
. . .and CoS was, if I remember correctly, because the fans wanted an official release of the song, but it had to be on an EP, not a full length, to keep the label happy...

I don't think you remember correctly.  I'm pretty sure MP was behind calling it an EP, since it only had the one new track on it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: lyfeternl on May 04, 2015, 10:25:23 AM
And here I was thinking I was coming back to a few new pages of updates and discussion on the new album...silly me...  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 04, 2015, 10:34:51 AM
The Count of Tuscany > Octavarium
:hifive:

That's a really close call for me.  I could pick one today but then tomorrow decide I like the other one better. They're both amazing songs. I would have to sit down and analyze it because it's just that close. The song TCOT is great from start to finish.  But the end of the song, from the acoustic guitar part to the end solo, is one of the most amazing pieces of music they have ever done.  It's one of JP's best solos. It easily beats the outro solo in 8V.  The lyrics in 8V are better. The ridiculous unisons in 8V are a favorite part of mine. The intro to 8V is cool but maybe goes on a tad too long. The vocal melodies for the verse in TCOT could have been better. 

I just don't know. Right now I would say The Count of Tuscany.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on May 04, 2015, 11:22:51 AM
Not even sure anymore, but I just know that that quote became kind of a running joke, because the new songs did not match up to their supposed past counterparts, when Portnoy probably meant they were similar in style, but when you compare new songs to old classics, comparing the quality will happen, which is why I think that is one case where the pre-album hype came back to bite them a little bit (since the album isn't that popular now anyway, and when comparing the songs off it to Octavarium, Learning to Live, etc., it falls even shorter).

NOT specifically to KevShmev, but this is the problem with updates.   We clamor for updates, and when we get them, we lambaste them for not being what we wanted (or from our perspective).  I can ABSOLUTELY see how those line up, be it from a lyrical perspective, a feel perspective, etc., and whether that means I think of them that way is immaterial. 

Personally, for me, it's all noise until I hear the album.    I'm even anti-pre-release-snippets, since I seem to always find them misleading and inaccurate. I think it is fun to "banter" with the band and hear their take, then do the compare, but I'm of the opinion (back to the BC&SL thing), if there is ultimately a discrepancy with how the band sees things (compared to the final product) and how the fans see things (compared to the final product), the band wins, since they are there every day. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on May 04, 2015, 01:10:24 PM
When it comes to the BCSL comparisons, frankly I think TCoT has more in common with LTL and ACOS than it does with 8V. If anything, TBOT is more like 8V, with the long slow intro, triumphant ending solo, and fairly middle-of-the-road vocal sections in between (obviously it's shorter and less proggy and diverse, but I could see it being like 8V with III/IV stripped out, sort of). Obviously TGP/TSF makes sense, and I think you could sort of compare AROP to PMU and TBOT/TCOT to two of the other trio. What makes no sense is comparing ANTR to anything in that group other than TGP (covered by TSF already).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: j on May 04, 2015, 04:54:24 PM
That's a really close call for me.  I could pick one today but then tomorrow decide I like the other one better. They're both amazing songs. I would have to sit down and analyze it because it's just that close. The song TCOT is great from start to finish.  But the end of the song, from the acoustic guitar part to the end solo, is one of the most amazing pieces of music they have ever done.  It's one of JP's best solos. It easily beats the outro solo in 8V.  The lyrics in 8V are better. The ridiculous unisons in 8V are a favorite part of mine. The intro to 8V is cool but maybe goes on a tad too long. The vocal melodies for the verse in TCOT could have been better. 

I just don't know. Right now I would say The Count of Tuscany.

This sums up my feelings on the issue almost perfectly, except I don't think TCOT is "great from start to finish."  The bulk of the song leaves a lot to be desired, but the intro and ending are so good that I still think it might edge out Octavarium, which is consistent but without anything jaw-dropping.

-J
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: PetFish on May 04, 2015, 11:58:51 PM
Stadler gets it.

I think people just set themselves up for disappointment if they start analyzing every syllable of every text snippet or every piece of a photo.

I'm so anti-spoilers these days.  There's just too much friggin' social media bombs showing up everywhere.  Staying away from them is an art form and judging by how much more awesome the last few movies I've seen after avoiding any discussion about them is the way I'm going to be going from now on.

I've already said this but I am LOVING no updates from the guys.  It's so refreshing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 05, 2015, 12:05:22 AM
If you don't like updates, stay away from them. No need for everyone else to put up with none.

Personally I could do with any kind of update, because my expectations and interest level right now is basically zero. There's nothing refreshing about....... nothing. And it's just good PR to engage with the fans and build some momentum leading up to a new album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 05, 2015, 03:18:19 AM
I don't mind lack of updates if at some point we suddenly get artwork, album title and tracklist all on the same day.

I seem to remember a similar thing happening for Black Clouds.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 05, 2015, 05:09:03 AM
I like SOME updates.  Maybe some artwork or a track listing without song lengths. Set up some kind of discussion for us. I'm sure we'll get something eventually but I don't mind some secrecy. I'd rather appreciate the rest when I listen to the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: nikatapi on May 05, 2015, 06:00:45 AM
I'm sure that the album is not finalised at this point, they were still in the studio according to Jordan's social media updates, and Mike also said he was taking a break from the studio for the UK tour. So we'll get updates once the album starts to take a more specific form.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 05, 2015, 04:22:49 PM
If you don't like updates, stay away from them. No need for everyone else to put up with none.

Personally I could do with any kind of update, because my expectations and interest level right now is basically zero. There's nothing refreshing about....... nothing. And it's just good PR to engage with the fans and build some momentum leading up to a new album.

Leading up to the new album?  They don't even have an album title, cover, or most importantly release date.  There is plenty of time to build momentum to lead up to a new album.  We haven't even gotten to the point of "leading up to a new album".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: VincentMDO on May 05, 2015, 07:16:16 PM
If it follows the pattern, we'll have some info by next month. Both ADTOE and DT were announced in June. Supposing things seems rather slow this time, I guess we'll hear the name of the new album by July.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 05, 2015, 09:28:25 PM
If you don't like updates, stay away from them. No need for everyone else to put up with none.

Personally I could do with any kind of update, because my expectations and interest level right now is basically zero. There's nothing refreshing about....... nothing. And it's just good PR to engage with the fans and build some momentum leading up to a new album.

Leading up to the new album?  They don't even have an album title, cover, or most importantly release date.  There is plenty of time to build momentum to lead up to a new album.  We haven't even gotten to the point of "leading up to a new album".

As soon as they enter the studio to record a new album, you're leading up to a new album! It's hard to put a lid on that once it's begun. I don't expect much at this stage, but in the past we've had plenty of photos of instrument setups, brief videos, something small. Just something to see that more than one band member is in the studio at a time would do me fine. :P The whole process feels very segmented from an outside POV this time, because we're seeing so little.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: PetFish on May 05, 2015, 11:53:02 PM
If you don't like updates, stay away from them. No need for everyone else to put up with none.

What the hell, man?  I'm not trying to get anyone to put with not having any, just saying how much I've been enjoying things not being spoiled these days.  Jeez.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on May 06, 2015, 09:53:26 AM
Personally I could do with any kind of update, because my expectations and interest level right now is basically zero.

This. It's just...there. Something that will happen in the future, but something that right now I'm not buzzing with excitement about. I'm sure that will change when details start being revealed. At least, I hope I get at least a little bit excited. Y'know, butterflies in the stomach and all that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Aythesryche on May 06, 2015, 12:37:32 PM
I'm suddenly reminded of The Boy Who Cried Wolf for some reason. I occasionally come into the thread seeing there are new posts, thinking theres some update on the new DT album, and, well... Disappointment ensues.

Personally, I enjoy the little snippets of hype, but I don't need them. I'll be equally pumped for DTs new album with or without it. Until then, there is so much other good music out there to keep me entertained.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 06, 2015, 02:35:25 PM


Personally, I enjoy the little snippets of hype, but I don't need them. I'll be equally pumped for DTs new album with or without it. Until then, there is so much other good music out there to keep me entertained.

This
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: chrisbDTM on May 06, 2015, 04:09:09 PM
haven't been following them as closely as I had for previous albums but I'm really hoping for something different. I'd love for them to take some sort of a risk where they don't stick to the regular formula
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 06, 2015, 04:19:37 PM
haven't been following them as closely as I had for previous albums but I'm really hoping for something different. I'd love for them to take some sort of a risk where they don't stick to the regular formula

6DOIT.

I hear you bro, although I find it very unlikely to happen. We're probably getting another 'DT at its best...being melodic, progressive and heavy'
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 07, 2015, 04:47:36 AM
haven't been following them as closely as I had for previous albums but I'm really hoping for something different. I'd love for them to take some sort of a risk where they don't stick to the regular formula

I think it's a little late in their career for them to do anything too risky. They're pretty much set with a specific formula.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on May 07, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
haven't been following them as closely as I had for previous albums but I'm really hoping for something different. I'd love for them to take some sort of a risk where they don't stick to the regular formula

Not saying this to you directly, but I don't think - generally - that people are telling the truth when they say this.

They HAVE taken risks, and by and large, they get pounded for it.   If you look at it fairly objectively, their "riskier" albums (which for the benefit of this post would be those things that veer from the "Rush/Yes/Maiden" type template - ala I&W) have all been met with varying degree of scorn and derision.   FII, ToT, SC, BC&SL are all divisive albums in the catalogue.   

It seems as a whole, we DON'T want risk.  We want more of what it is we like, and shooting for that, as an artist, is the kiss of death, if you ask me. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 07, 2015, 07:17:59 AM
Interesting post, Stad.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 07, 2015, 07:32:45 AM
Yeah, to a certain extent, they can't win.

BC&SL: "These compositions are too bloated and metal influenced.  This is too far afield from what I like about DT."

ADTOE: "These songs are too reminiscent of older albums.  They played it too safe.  I wish they would focus more on concise songwriting with less wankery."

DT12: "These songs are too short."

Sure, it's a different group complaining with each complaint.  But they will never satisfy everyone.  So they should just focus on producing something that THEY like.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 07, 2015, 07:48:06 AM
haven't been following them as closely as I had for previous albums but I'm really hoping for something different. I'd love for them to take some sort of a risk where they don't stick to the regular formula

I think it's a little late in their career for them to do anything too risky. They're pretty much set with a specific formula.

If anything, being so established should give them the opportunity to take a chance, without it affecting them much. DT's album sales are mostly from loyal diehard fans, who will support the band regardless, because DT have earned that. And album sales would only be a small percentage of DT's income compared to touring, I would imagine.

DT have covered so much ground over time that there is always going to be some subset of fans that complain. That's not a problem, it's just the nature of being a (prog) band, and shouldn't discourage DT from doing what they want, instead of aiming for a safe middle ground to satisfy the average fan, because DT don't really have an average fan.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 07, 2015, 09:00:15 AM
This may be a bit cynical, but I actually think those previous attempts by them to branch out, were really all they could do. It seems that *when* they decide to incorporate new stuff, it ends up being carbon copies of whatever the influence was. So, when they try their hand on a modern synth-rock tune, you end up with a Muse song. When they try a thrash-inspired song, you get a Metallica carbon copy. Even a classical section can apparently not go out the door without plugging straight Tchaikovsky into it.
They've tried it so many times, and with almost always disastrous results, they simply may have said "let's stick with what we do".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 07, 2015, 09:08:23 AM
You're absolutely right.



That was cynical. :lol


I'm not even necessarily talking different styles, just a different approach to writing the music, a different dynamic.
I sometimes don't feel that all of the individual members current interests and influences get filtered through to the music. I've lost count of how many times I've heard JR play something cool for Youtube or Facebook and wanted something like that on the album, and then get nothing like any of it.
#JRUnleashed #MMMoreUnleashed #FreeTheChapmanStick
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on May 07, 2015, 09:12:59 AM
This may be a bit cynical, but I actually think those previous attempts by them to branch out, were really all they could do. It seems that *when* they decide to incorporate new stuff, it ends up being carbon copies of whatever the influence was. So, when they try their hand on a modern synth-rock tune, you end up with a Muse song. When they try a thrash-inspired song, you get a Metallica carbon copy. Even a classical section can apparently not go out the door without plugging straight Tchaikovsky into it.
They've tried it so many times, and with almost always disastrous results, they simply may have said "let's stick with what we do".

it's funny because Jordan's awesome composition Explorations for Keyboard and Orchestra is awesome
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: FiberglassMoon on May 07, 2015, 09:30:24 AM
haven't been following them as closely as I had for previous albums but I'm really hoping for something different. I'd love for them to take some sort of a risk where they don't stick to the regular formula

I think it's a little late in their career for them to do anything too risky. They're pretty much set with a specific formula.

If anything, being so established should give them the opportunity to take a chance, without it affecting them much. DT's album sales are mostly from loyal diehard fans, who will support the band regardless, because DT have earned that. And album sales would only be a small percentage of DT's income compared to touring, I would imagine.

DT have covered so much ground over time that there is always going to be some subset of fans that complain. That's not a problem, it's just the nature of being a (prog) band, and shouldn't discourage DT from doing what they want, instead of aiming for a safe middle ground to satisfy the average fan, because DT don't really have an average fan.

Man I completely agree.  It's not like these DT releases are "Make or break" albums for them.  They have a direhard fan base with diverse reasons for loving the band; they shouldn't have to worry about appeasing people or pandering to a certain sound. 

The whole idea of a "safe middle ground" for a "progressive" band is paradoxical. Whatever music they feel inspired to create is the music I want to hear....not what they think I want to hear.  They have enough cache with me that I'm going to support them even if the next release doesn't resonate with me.  Obviously I can't be sure if the band thinks this way, but they really shouldn't have to.

As far as updates are concerned...

I'd like to see some sort of studio update or update in general.  Just something to keep me interested and to give a feel for what the band's been up to.  I don't even want any sort of BCSL-esque updates about the sound of the album...more along the lines of something fun and behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 07, 2015, 09:33:18 AM
And I'm not saying that DT aren't making the music they want, or playing it safe on every album, but I do feel like they sometimes limit themselves by fan expectations.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on May 07, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
What's weird to me is that JP is seem to be heavy on the marketing side with Ernie Ball lately. Every week I get a FB update on John and Ernie Ball and his guitars.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 07, 2015, 05:56:39 PM
Did they not take risks in the last album by challenging themselves to write concise songs?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on May 07, 2015, 09:08:12 PM
Did they not take risks in the last album by challenging themselves to write concise songs?

No, they didn't.

The problem with Dream Theater and their fanbase is the fanbase's definition of "safe" songwriting. Most of us seem to be completely okay with long instrumentals during a bridge between 2 choruses and the end of a song. Others like the songs where they do less of that. It's not really risky at all to write shorter songs, and to be completely honest, shorter songs in general will always be "safer", if Dream Theater is writing them. The length of a song means nothing in how popular it will be among the Dream Theater fanbase, however drawing new fans in is probably always going to be easier with shorter songs.

It's risky of them to not write music like they've been writing. See, even though they've got cool time signature changes and noodly instrumental sections, the structure of their songs is really never complicated. They might as well just be composers of virtuosic pop songs. ----Verse Chorus Verse Chorus Bridge (insert long instrumental section so the song is longer than 10 minutes) Chorus---- is still the structure for 90% of their songs. The songs that avoid that are their epics, instrumentals, and some of the songs on SFAM. That's basically it.

To be completely honest, the band isn't really that risky at all. I would like to see them write something risky, like a standalone mellow instrumental, a song written in a complex structure like sonata-allegro form (not necessarily instrumental), something atonal (because why the hell not), greater usage of other instruments besides keyboard, drum, bass, vocals, and guitar (like some actual real orchestral instruments played by other people, I would totally dig a bassoon or contrabass solo in a mellow section of an instrumental). People have talked about jazz fusion, why not have them make some actual jazz? That's risky. Let an entire song be a Jordan solo (there's too much unison in this band, everything's too loud), or have a little duel song between Myung and Mangini. Maybe an ambient song (mellow instrumental like I said earlier) where it's just Jordan and Petrucci (or even Myung) improving slowly.

Stuff like that. Except they'll never do any of that (except for the mellow instrumental as a part of IT) because of the box they've closed themselves in. Shorter songs aren't risky, I have heard 0 strong opinions that shorter songs are bad, and if it were a risky move, people would be saying things like this is the death of Dream Theater, etc etc. Sure, many people don't like DT12 that much, but I assume that's more because of the songwriting than the length of the songs. Dream Theater haven't done too many new things recently. Putting a little string section in the middle of a song isn't that impressive or risky when the 6-minute overture to a song made 11 years before has a lot more to it than a melody from Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yue6Cb5OULM&t=44s) (that's a bit of an exaggeration, but you get my point).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 07, 2015, 09:36:18 PM
People don't understand that Dream Theater is a business.  A band like Metallica is so popular that they could do nothing the rest of their careers and still live extravagantly off the royalties from their previous work.

Dream Theater's bigger than their non-fans realize, but smaller than their fans realize.  A bad album or two could shrink their fanbase enough for it to be unprofitable.  Given that, after FII's failure, SFAM was considered a make-it-or-break-it album for the band, let's assume that two bad albums could kill them.  This means that, if they take a risk with their next album and it fails, another bad album might end their careers.  What motivation do they possibly have to put themselves in that situation?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on May 07, 2015, 11:29:22 PM
you have to wonder how people don't just hate devin townsend

oh I know, because no matter what style he does, he does it well

dream theater could do the same, they could probably perfect any style

but apparently all their fans want is metal with noodly instrumental sections so that's all they do

great
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Onno on May 08, 2015, 01:43:30 AM
Did they not take risks in the last album by challenging themselves to write concise songs?

No, they didn't.

The problem with Dream Theater and their fanbase is the fanbase's definition of "safe" songwriting. Most of us seem to be completely okay with long instrumentals during a bridge between 2 choruses and the end of a song. Others like the songs where they do less of that. It's not really risky at all to write shorter songs, and to be completely honest, shorter songs in general will always be "safer", if Dream Theater is writing them. The length of a song means nothing in how popular it will be among the Dream Theater fanbase, however drawing new fans in is probably always going to be easier with shorter songs.

It's risky of them to not write music like they've been writing. See, even though they've got cool time signature changes and noodly instrumental sections, the structure of their songs is really never complicated. They might as well just be composers of virtuosic pop songs. ----Verse Chorus Verse Chorus Bridge (insert long instrumental section so the song is longer than 10 minutes) Chorus---- is still the structure for 90% of their songs. The songs that avoid that are their epics, instrumentals, and some of the songs on SFAM. That's basically it.

To be completely honest, the band isn't really that risky at all. I would like to see them write something risky, like a standalone mellow instrumental, a song written in a complex structure like sonata-allegro form (not necessarily instrumental), something atonal (because why the hell not), greater usage of other instruments besides keyboard, drum, bass, vocals, and guitar (like some actual real orchestral instruments played by other people, I would totally dig a bassoon or contrabass solo in a mellow section of an instrumental). People have talked about jazz fusion, why not have them make some actual jazz? That's risky. Let an entire song be a Jordan solo (there's too much unison in this band, everything's too loud), or have a little duel song between Myung and Mangini. Maybe an ambient song (mellow instrumental like I said earlier) where it's just Jordan and Petrucci (or even Myung) improving slowly.

Stuff like that. Except they'll never do any of that (except for the mellow instrumental as a part of IT) because of the box they've closed themselves in. Shorter songs aren't risky, I have heard 0 strong opinions that shorter songs are bad, and if it were a risky move, people would be saying things like this is the death of Dream Theater, etc etc. Sure, many people don't like DT12 that much, but I assume that's more because of the songwriting than the length of the songs. Dream Theater haven't done too many new things recently. Putting a little string section in the middle of a song isn't that impressive or risky when the 6-minute overture to a song made 11 years before has a lot more to it than a melody from Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yue6Cb5OULM&t=44s) (that's a bit of an exaggeration, but you get my point).

I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 08, 2015, 04:44:52 AM


Sure, it's a different group complaining with each complaint.  But they will never satisfy everyone.  So they should just focus on producing something that THEY like.

That's exactly what they should do.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on May 08, 2015, 05:34:59 AM
It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 08, 2015, 05:57:50 AM
It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.

Maybe that's what Jordan meant when he said they going to be something completely different for the upcoming release.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on May 08, 2015, 06:43:11 AM
It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.

Maybe that's what Jordan meant when he said they going to be something completely different for the upcoming release.
Did he actually say "completely"?  I thought it was more like "a little" or "a bit".  I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 08, 2015, 06:47:05 AM
It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.

Maybe that's what Jordan meant when he said they going to be something completely different for the upcoming release.
Did he actually say "completely"?  I thought it was more like "a little" or "a bit".  I could be wrong though.

Actually, I thought he said they were doing something they never did before.  Who was it that met him and asked him?  I forget.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on May 08, 2015, 07:05:05 AM
It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.

Maybe that's what Jordan meant when he said they going to be something completely different for the upcoming release.
Did he actually say "completely"?  I thought it was more like "a little" or "a bit".  I could be wrong though.

Actually, I thought he said they were doing something they never did before.  Who was it that met him and asked him?  I forget.

Here is the one I remember from earlier in this thread . . .

I was at the Musikmesse yesterday. Early in the morning we went to the CME stand in order to see Jordans performance. He was a bit early so my friend and I had a short but very nice chat with him. I ask him how things are developing in the studio - of course he answered that everything is perfect. They have been writing music for one month now, now they are tracking the music. I told him with a twinkle in the eye that I know he is here just to tell me everything about the new album and that I want to share this information here on the DTF forum. We laughed about that and of course he replied that he will not give me any information - however after I asked if it will be a concept album? I know that he refused to give any information - however, the situation was really relaxed and we had a good laugh so I kept on asking.

He just smiled and said something like this "it will something a bit different..." - and I replied: So it will be a concept album? He replied with a huge smile that a concept album would not be anything different!! What was clear is that I would not read too much into this. I think that due to the mimics of him my questions remained completely unanswered. But what I read from his reaction was a huge satisfaction about the development and the progress of DT13.

After his performance on the CME keyboard we were able to talk to him again, there were not many people around - like 12-15 or something... We told him that we released a well-perceived prog CD under the name P.A.W.N. - The Gift of Awareness last year and that eventhough he - of course - did not play on it, nevertheless somehow he "appears" on it, due to the fact that DT and especially Jordan and his playing has such a huge impact on our writing and playing. He was really happy about what we said. We gave him a CD and he signed two for us. Such a nice and humble guy!

Later we saw him performing on the seaboard, which was amazing. I recorded like 20 minutes of that and will upload it on youtube later.

I thought to share this here in this thread since we talked about the album and I am not sure if the information that they have been busy writing for one month and now they moved forward to tracking has been posted here before.

Eventhough I followed everything they did since 1996 I am not sure about the writing time of 1 month... Is that long for their standards? How long did the writing for DT12 last?

Please apologize for my mediocre English...


Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 08, 2015, 07:35:06 AM
I think they've said something like that for the last 5 albums though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on May 08, 2015, 08:13:24 AM
you have to wonder how people don't just hate devin townsend

oh I know, because no matter what style he does, he does it well

dream theater could do the same, they could probably perfect any style

but apparently all their fans want is metal with noodly instrumental sections so that's all they do

great

I don't know for sure, but my sense is that Dream Theater is bigger and more mainstream than Devin Townsend and thus relying on more of a casual fanbase. Devin Townsend, I assume, has a lot of die-hards who will buy anything he does. Dream Theater has those people, yes, but to meet their usual sales numbers they also need a lot of more casual fans. So if they put out a new album and the first single is a bluegrass song, they're going to take a big sales hit from people who don't want a bluegrass album. A lot of people, especially casual fans, want the sound, not the name on the spine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 08, 2015, 08:17:18 AM
It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.

Via did something similar? To the world music thing, or did Vai make a Six Degrees like album? A quick google search gave me nothing but a live album from 2001 by Vai.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on May 08, 2015, 08:41:34 AM

To be completely honest, the band isn't really that risky at all. I would like to see them write something risky, like a standalone mellow instrumental, a song written in a complex structure like sonata-allegro form (not necessarily instrumental), something atonal (because why the hell not), greater usage of other instruments besides keyboard, drum, bass, vocals, and guitar (like some actual real orchestral instruments played by other people, I would totally dig a bassoon or contrabass solo in a mellow section of an instrumental). People have talked about jazz fusion, why not have them make some actual jazz? That's risky. Let an entire song be a Jordan solo (there's too much unison in this band, everything's too loud), or have a little duel song between Myung and Mangini. Maybe an ambient song (mellow instrumental like I said earlier) where it's just Jordan and Petrucci (or even Myung) improving slowly.



No offense, but the only thing worse that having to listen to the music you describe above (I have absolutely ZERO interest in listening to John Petrucci play something atonal, or hearing a bassoon solo in a DT song) would be having to listen to the fanbase bitch about them making the music you describe above. 

The band (currently) is: John, John, Jordan, James, and Mike.  Let them go in a room, and make the music they want.  If it is ten carbon copies of "Pull Me Under" or ten versions of a kazoo solo in Eb minor, so be it.  THEY are the artists, not us.   I have no interest in telling them what I want to hear; I want to hear what THEY want me to hear.   
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on May 08, 2015, 09:20:06 AM
The problem is that I fear they're just writing what they think we will like, not what they like, which is far more important.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 08, 2015, 09:27:27 AM
No offense, but the only thing worse that having to listen to the music you describe above (I have absolutely ZERO interest in listening to John Petrucci play something atonal, or hearing a bassoon solo in a DT song) would be having to listen to the fanbase bitch about them making the music you describe above. 

You know, you're not the first person I've heard say this, but it really is a bummer. I think the willingness of some of DT's fanbase to rather hear the 5th regurgitated version of Metropolis than something that really dares, is a shame, and probably reinforces DT's stagnation. I'd rather DT to try large, and maybe fail, than have a decade full of discography that just sort of is "there".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2015, 09:38:36 AM

To be completely honest, the band isn't really that risky at all. I would like to see them write something risky, like a standalone mellow instrumental, a song written in a complex structure like sonata-allegro form (not necessarily instrumental), something atonal (because why the hell not), greater usage of other instruments besides keyboard, drum, bass, vocals, and guitar (like some actual real orchestral instruments played by other people, I would totally dig a bassoon or contrabass solo in a mellow section of an instrumental). People have talked about jazz fusion, why not have them make some actual jazz? That's risky. Let an entire song be a Jordan solo (there's too much unison in this band, everything's too loud), or have a little duel song between Myung and Mangini. Maybe an ambient song (mellow instrumental like I said earlier) where it's just Jordan and Petrucci (or even Myung) improving slowly.



No offense, but the only thing worse that having to listen to the music you describe above (I have absolutely ZERO interest in listening to John Petrucci play something atonal, or hearing a bassoon solo in a DT song) would be having to listen to the fanbase bitch about them making the music you describe above. 

The band (currently) is: John, John, Jordan, James, and Mike.  Let them go in a room, and make the music they want.  If it is ten carbon copies of "Pull Me Under" or ten versions of a kazoo solo in Eb minor, so be it.  THEY are the artists, not us.   I have no interest in telling them what I want to hear; I want to hear what THEY want me to hear.   

This pretty much sums it up for me as well.


The problem is that I fear they're just writing what they think we will like, not what they like, which is far more important.

Granted I cannot claim to know any of the band members on any sort of deep level.  But as someone who has met them several times and has spoken to JP a few times on a pretty in-depth level about his approach to writing and composing songs, I have NEVER had the sense that they are simply writing what they think we will like at the expense of writing what they like.  Not once.

No offense, but the only thing worse that having to listen to the music you describe above (I have absolutely ZERO interest in listening to John Petrucci play something atonal, or hearing a bassoon solo in a DT song) would be having to listen to the fanbase bitch about them making the music you describe above. 

You know, you're not the first person I've heard say this, but it really is a bummer. I think the willingness of some of DT's fanbase to rather hear the 5th regurgitated version of Metropolis than something that really dares, is a shame, and probably reinforces DT's stagnation. I'd rather DT to try large, and maybe fail, than have a decade full of discography that just sort of is "there".

Well, no offense, but the majority of the fan base would never use terms like "stagnation" in connection with Dream Theater.  It's sad that a few folks on an Internet forum, perhaps propped up by their insular circle of friends, may feel that way.  But since most in the fan base or, more importantly, the band do NOT feel that way, I don't see much for them to be concerned about.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: krieger on May 08, 2015, 10:03:52 AM
To be completely honest, the band isn't really that risky at all. I would like to see them write something risky, like a standalone mellow instrumental, a song written in a complex structure like sonata-allegro form (not necessarily instrumental), something atonal (because why the hell not), greater usage of other instruments besides keyboard, drum, bass, vocals, and guitar (like some actual real orchestral instruments played by other people, I would totally dig a bassoon or contrabass solo in a mellow section of an instrumental). People have talked about jazz fusion, why not have them make some actual jazz? That's risky. Let an entire song be a Jordan solo (there's too much unison in this band, everything's too loud), or have a little duel song between Myung and Mangini. Maybe an ambient song (mellow instrumental like I said earlier) where it's just Jordan and Petrucci (or even Myung) improving slowly.

I see your point. And I agree with you.

Imho, the "problem" with DT is that they have too much control of what they are doing. They have the time and equipment and they spend 2 months writing the songs and then 2 months recording the album and then the tour (with a DVD) and everything is completely under control. We do this, and then do that, first this, then a solo, then another solo, then...

But most bands are like that, I believe. Few of them really take chances. Maybe people miss the feeling they got when first listening to something like I&W. It sounded completely daring at the time. But that was it. After that was always the same thing, better and better - but never daring anymore.

Maybe that was the reason Kevin Moore always inspired me more than DT. Because he was risky. Maybe he was not sucessful in everything, but you can see he is always trying to do something nobody could predict. When DafR was released it was like - wtf? And then You Go Now, wtf again! Graveyard Mountain Home - what is this all about? Ghost book? Snubbing Portnoy in OSI? Re:Free? The covers he choose?

Maybe you don't like what he does, but from an artistic point of view, he should be admired, I think. Sometimes I think - "That old bugger disappears when he wants and goes to study Medicine instead of recording more albums" and I'm upset but then the guy post a picture of himself in front a computer and I know that whatever he will release next I will buy because I know it will surprise me and remember me that music has a lot of boundaries that can be crossed.

Sometimes it seems DT is a one-trick pony. It is a quite complex, hard to make, impressive, we study our instruments 8 hours a day to be able to do this, "don't do this at home" trick. It's a f***ing amazing trick, that I enjoy seeing again and again, and I thank them for that. But it's only one trick, nonetheless.

P.S. - Strange thing is, after writing that, I can understand more Portnoy's decision of quitting DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 08, 2015, 10:06:44 AM
It's sad that a few folks on an Internet forum, perhaps propped up by their insular circle of friends, may feel that way.  But since most in the fan base or, more importantly, the band do NOT feel that way, I don't see much for them to be concerned about.

WTF, dude. Do you at this point only fire broadshots? If you weren't the admin of this place, you would have banned yourself a long time ago.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on May 08, 2015, 10:18:10 AM
Along about the time of 8V I was one of those fans who wanted DT to change up the process and take what I felt were risks. But after some
time I realized that I was applying a different standard to DT then I did with my other favorite bands. I was actually wanting them to
be something they're not. Truth is there are thousands of bands out there that give me plenty of variation. What I am adamant about
though as a fan is THIS ALBUM MUST SOUND GOOD. IMO there are no excuses to put out another poor to mediocre sounding album.
There is too much talent and technology surrounding these guys. So in short, I'm game with whatever they want to create but give me
sonic quality. I don't think that is asking too much as a fan.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 08, 2015, 11:00:36 AM
It's a pity DT scrapped the original idea they had for the follow-up to Scenes (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#351), which was combining prog metal with world music. I'm happy with Six Degrees as is, and as MP points out the timing wasn't the best, as Steve Vai did something similar in 2001, but I wish they'd done the world music album later instead of abandoning the idea completely. I think the result could've been really cool, and that kind of experimenting with different styles and genres is missing in today's DT.

Via did something similar? To the world music thing, or did Vai make a Six Degrees like album? A quick google search gave me nothing but a live album from 2001 by Vai.
He did a world music album, which actually is also a live album. The songs were written and recorded at various shows throughout his previous tour. The liner notes include a lot of details about the songs, the recording of them, etc. Pretty cool release. Here's the wikipedia link that will tell you what songs were for which countries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alive_in_an_Ultra_World

And here's an excerpt of an interview I did with MP in 2002, regarding the world music idea and general direction of DT albums:
Quote
SH: Do you think you'll ever do the world-music influenced type of album you originally were thinking of doing before you started working on what became Six Degrees?

MP: Nah. I think that was an idea that came and went - especially now that Vai has done it.

SH: It just doesn't hold the same interest? Do you have some sort of master plan for what you want to accomplish in terms of musical direction with each Dream Theater album, for instance thinking 'I want this one to be heavy' and 'the next one will be more progressive' and then we'll do this and we'll do that? Do you have the next three or four albums outlined as to what you would like to accomplish?

MP: Oh no, definitely not three or four. Like I said, we've just barely discussed the direction or the details of the next record, so it's impossible to know until we're doing it. Like that world music thing you just mentioned? We talked about it and thought we were gonna go there, but as soon as we mic'd up in the studio and started actually playing-

SH: Pantera took over.

MP: So you never know where it's gonna go until it's going.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 08, 2015, 11:13:05 AM
Sometimes it seems DT is a one-trick pony. It is a quite complex, hard to make, impressive, we study our instruments 8 hours a day to be able to do this, "don't do this at home" trick. It's a f***ing amazing trick, that I enjoy seeing again and again, and I thank them for that. But it's only one trick, nonetheless.

Funnily enough, that same thought applies to MP's playing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 08, 2015, 11:25:27 AM
Quote
SH: Do you think you'll ever do the world-music influenced type of album you originally were thinking of doing before you started working on what became Six Degrees?

MP: Nah. I think that was an idea that came and went - especially now that Vai has done it.

SH: It just doesn't hold the same interest? Do you have some sort of master plan for what you want to accomplish in terms of musical direction with each Dream Theater album, for instance thinking 'I want this one to be heavy' and 'the next one will be more progressive' and then we'll do this and we'll do that? Do you have the next three or four albums outlined as to what you would like to accomplish?

MP: Oh no, definitely not three or four. Like I said, we've just barely discussed the direction or the details of the next record, so it's impossible to know until we're doing it. Like that world music thing you just mentioned? We talked about it and thought we were gonna go there, but as soon as we mic'd up in the studio and started actually playing-

SH: Pantera took over.

MP: So you never know where it's gonna go until it's going.

That's a really interesting interview, thanks for that.
I think it illustrates maybe *why* DT can't do something like that. It would require an overarching "orchestrator", or maybe even pre-written songs by one individual, to achieve this different style. DT's songwriting works, as I understand it, on a purely improvisational basis; they start the tape and play what comes to their mind, probably "seeding" the improvs with ideas they've come up during touring. But, from personal experience, jam-writing kinda puts you on the defensive; you are forced to play something on the spot, and the only thing you can do (at least for me) is to play in the style that is the most familiar to you.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: nikatapi on May 08, 2015, 11:41:37 AM
Along about the time of 8V I was one of those fans who wanted DT to change up the process and take what I felt were risks. But after some
time I realized that I was applying a different standard to DT then I did with my other favorite bands. I was actually wanting them to
be something they're not. Truth is there are thousands of bands out there that give me plenty of variation. What I am adamant about
though as a fan is THIS ALBUM MUST SOUND GOOD. IMO there are no excuses to put out another poor to mediocre sounding album.
There is too much talent and technology surrounding these guys. So in short, I'm game with whatever they want to create but give me
sonic quality. I don't think that is asking too much as a fan.

Couldn't agree more. Even though i'm not greatly fond of DT12, i think still DT like what they do and write good (even great) music. But the production needs to be better, it's been getting worse and worse since BC&SL and with the amount of money they spend on making the albums, it's unbelievable that they can put out so bad sounding albums.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2015, 12:08:53 PM
It's sad that a few folks on an Internet forum, perhaps propped up by their insular circle of friends, may feel that way.  But since most in the fan base or, more importantly, the band do NOT feel that way, I don't see much for them to be concerned about.

WTF, dude. Do you at this point only fire broadshots? If you weren't the admin of this place, you would have banned yourself a long time ago.

???  That isn't meant to be insulting, and I apologize if you took it that way.  I mean only to say that your view is the minority.  And often, I have seen you respond along the lines of, "pretty much everyone I know thinks along similar lines."  So my comment was only meant to be directed at the fact that you and your friends may feel a certain way, and the fact that your friends feel the same way as you do has a tendency to prop up one's own beliefs and make them seem like a majority position when it is in fact not.  Again, sorry if it came across differently than that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 08, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Oh, I see.  :blush Well, scratch my comment then.

It is an interesting angle though to think about. I can *definitely* say that of the 10-odd DT fans I've known closely (like, direct fans) over the years, none of them are remaining. They all started checking out around the ToT-Octavarium era.

Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 08, 2015, 12:25:38 PM
When I read
WTF, dude. Do you at this point only fire broadshots? If you weren't the admin of this place, you would have banned yourself a long time ago.
I thought a full scale thermonuclear war was gonna break out... I grabbed by popcorn  :corn
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 08, 2015, 12:26:42 PM
I never had a DT Friends Circle to begin with! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 08, 2015, 12:31:19 PM
I never had a DT Friends Circle to begin with! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on May 08, 2015, 12:34:35 PM
I never had a DT Friends Circle to begin with! :lol

You're not brainwashing your kids?! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 08, 2015, 12:54:05 PM

Here is the one I remember from earlier in this thread . . .

I was at the Musikmesse yesterday. Early in the morning we went to the CME stand in order to see Jordans performance. He was a bit early so my friend and I had a short but very nice chat with him. I ask him how things are developing in the studio - of course he answered that everything is perfect. They have been writing music for one month now, now they are tracking the music. I told him with a twinkle in the eye that I know he is here just to tell me everything about the new album and that I want to share this information here on the DTF forum. We laughed about that and of course he replied that he will not give me any information - however after I asked if it will be a concept album? I know that he refused to give any information - however, the situation was really relaxed and we had a good laugh so I kept on asking.

He just smiled and said something like this "it will something a bit different..." - and I replied: So it will be a concept album? He replied with a huge smile that a concept album would not be anything different!! What was clear is that I would not read too much into this. I think that due to the mimics of him my questions remained completely unanswered. But what I read from his reaction was a huge satisfaction about the development and the progress of DT13.

After his performance on the CME keyboard we were able to talk to him again, there were not many people around - like 12-15 or something... We told him that we released a well-perceived prog CD under the name P.A.W.N. - The Gift of Awareness last year and that eventhough he - of course - did not play on it, nevertheless somehow he "appears" on it, due to the fact that DT and especially Jordan and his playing has such a huge impact on our writing and playing. He was really happy about what we said. We gave him a CD and he signed two for us. Such a nice and humble guy!

Later we saw him performing on the seaboard, which was amazing. I recorded like 20 minutes of that and will upload it on youtube later.

I thought to share this here in this thread since we talked about the album and I am not sure if the information that they have been busy writing for one month and now they moved forward to tracking has been posted here before.

Eventhough I followed everything they did since 1996 I am not sure about the writing time of 1 month... Is that long for their standards? How long did the writing for DT12 last?

Please apologize for my mediocre English...



That's the one I was referring to. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2015, 01:02:30 PM
Oh, I see.  :blush Well, scratch my comment then.

Well, I did in fact ban myself once, so at least that part wasn't far off.  :lol

In answer to your other question, I don't really have any long-time DT fans in my circle of friends.  At least, none that were fans back in the beginning.  I do have a few that became fans later.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on May 08, 2015, 01:27:44 PM
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?
Pretty much, yeah. There's quite a mix among my IRL DT-fan friends, pretty evenly balanced between no interest in the newer stuff, preferring the newer stuff, and having no particular preference either way (which includes me).

EDIT: And it is indeed true that bosky has banned himself, which I know because I was the one who had to unban him. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 08, 2015, 01:35:44 PM
Imho, the "problem" with DT is that they have too much control of what they are doing. They have the time and equipment and they spend 2 months writing the songs and then 2 months recording the album and then the tour (with a DVD) and everything is completely under control. We do this, and then do that, first this, then a solo, then another solo, then...

But most bands are like that, I believe. Few of them really take chances. Maybe people miss the feeling they got when first listening to something like I&W. It sounded completely daring at the time. But that was it. After that was always the same thing, better and better - but never daring anymore.

Maybe that was the reason Kevin Moore always inspired me more than DT. Because he was risky. Maybe he was not sucessful in everything, but you can see he is always trying to do something nobody could predict. When DafR was released it was like - wtf? And then You Go Now, wtf again! Graveyard Mountain Home - what is this all about? Ghost book? Snubbing Portnoy in OSI? Re:Free? The covers he choose?

Maybe you don't like what he does, but from an artistic point of view, he should be admired, I think. Sometimes I think - "That old bugger disappears when he wants and goes to study Medicine instead of recording more albums" and I'm upset but then the guy post a picture of himself in front a computer and I know that whatever he will release next I will buy because I know it will surprise me and remember me that music has a lot of boundaries that can be crossed.

Sometimes it seems DT is a one-trick pony. It is a quite complex, hard to make, impressive, we study our instruments 8 hours a day to be able to do this, "don't do this at home" trick. It's a f***ing amazing trick, that I enjoy seeing again and again, and I thank them for that. But it's only one trick, nonetheless.


A few things to address here.  First of all, you summed up one of the main reasons why I love Kevin Moore's stuff.  From the start of his career as a solo artist, he has been known for that so we knew what to expect.  If DT after 3 decades of making progressive metal music all of the sudden made an avantgarde jazz fusion rap album, every single fan would go "what the fuck?"  If Kevin Moore did that, only about half of Kevin Moore's fans would say "What the fuck?" (so like, 600 people) and the other half would love it. 

Therefore, I am glad Dream Theater delivers progressive metal albums 100% of the time.  Sometimes they are more prog and sometimes they are more metal so not everyone will be happy every time but the majority of their fanbase will surely like it. 

That does not mean they are a one trick pony. 

People hear I&W for the first time and their mind is blown.  There has never been anything like it.  Then they hear Awake and they are so happy that there is a band that will fulfill this progressive metal void but after about the 8th or 9th album, people are saying, "Another progressive metal album?!?!" 

Well, of course.  They are a progressive metal band. 

A friend of mine was into DT before me and then when I got into them he just made fun of their tired gimmick (this was about the 6DOIT time period).  I finally just challenged him about how he can claim I&W is such a groundbreaking album while hating what they do 10 years later which isn't that far apart from I&W.  He finally conceded that he was at a different time in his life so it affects him differently.  Not that it was a problem with the band. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on May 08, 2015, 02:01:07 PM

Imho, the "problem" with DT is that they have too much control of what they are doing.
Congratulations, that was officially the stupidest statement I've read all day.

What you guys need to realize is that music is art, and the guys in DT are the artists. No one has ever said, "The problem with Van Gogh was that he had too much control over his paintings". S
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 08, 2015, 02:08:27 PM
Yeah DT should definitely let Roadrunner dictate the sound of the next album.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 08, 2015, 04:00:31 PM

Imho, the "problem" with DT is that they have too much control of what they are doing.
Congratulations, that was officially the stupidest statement I've read all day.

What you guys need to realize is that music is art, and the guys in DT are the artists. No one has ever said, "The problem with Van Gogh was that he had too much control over his paintings". S

I think the analogy would fit better if van Gogh had tried to makes his own frames and colors as well. I think that's the aspect people think DT should leave to professionals.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on May 08, 2015, 04:19:38 PM
I've always been in the camp that a producer can push a band like a coach. Sometimes even the greats need a nudge or an inspiration.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: commanderbob on May 08, 2015, 04:43:56 PM
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?

I don't have a circle, but a line (1 friend, who got me into them 21 years ago),  and were both just as nuts over them as ever lol.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 08, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
I would love to see another "Evening with JP and JR" type of tune.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Aythesryche on May 08, 2015, 08:30:02 PM
I would love to see another "Evening with JP and JR" type of tune.

This would be fantastic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on May 08, 2015, 08:40:43 PM
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?

I don't have a circle, but a line (1 friend, who got me into them 21 years ago),  and were both just as nuts over them as ever lol.

As for me, most of my friends stopped being interested in DT around 2005-2006. Especially as people went to college, or got married and had kids. I did talk to a few of my old band mates awhile back, and all were pretty down on the band, so I think it's safe to say that I'm the fan who's held out the longest.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 08, 2015, 09:15:06 PM
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?

I don't have a circle, but a line (1 friend, who got me into them 21 years ago),  and were both just as nuts over them as ever lol.

As for me, most of my friends stopped being interested in DT around 2005-2006. Especially as people went to college, or got married and had kids. I did talk to a few of my old band mates awhile back, and all were pretty down on the band, so I think it's safe to say that I'm the fan who's held out the longest.

I don't understand this. Why should your musical interests change just because you went to college or started a family? I'm pretty new to the Dream Theater fandom, but I've been a Metallica fan since I'm 3 years old, and likely will be for life. If you truly love a band, then you don't just stop becoming a fan because of changes in your life. Maybe you can't devote as much time or money to them, but that doesn't mean you tune out entirely.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 08, 2015, 09:21:34 PM
Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?

I don't have a circle, but a line (1 friend, who got me into them 21 years ago),  and were both just as nuts over them as ever lol.

As for me, most of my friends stopped being interested in DT around 2005-2006. Especially as people went to college, or got married and had kids. I did talk to a few of my old band mates awhile back, and all were pretty down on the band, so I think it's safe to say that I'm the fan who's held out the longest.

I don't understand this. Why should your musical interests change just because you went to college or started a family? I'm pretty new to the Dream Theater fandom, but I've been a Metallica fan since I'm 3 years old, and likely will be for life. If you truly love a band, then you don't just stop becoming a fan because of changes in your life. Maybe you can't devote as much time or money to them, but that doesn't mean you tune out entirely.

Tastes could change. It's the same way why I only got to appreciate the later Beatles work only when I entered my 20s. There are also some pop songs I liked when I was a kid, but I now can not bear listening to after my musical horizons expanded.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 08, 2015, 09:23:24 PM
RELEVANT!

MM FB update:

"What have I been up to?
Muaah ha ha ha ... it is a secret  ;) But I am hitting a lot of drums, smiling more than anyone should be allowed and burning a lot of calories too."

JR reply:

"Let me begin to guess. 17 against 4 while whistling Dixie?"

 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bl5150 on May 08, 2015, 09:56:41 PM
I never had a DT Friends Circle to begin with! :lol

I brainwashed my sister to like DT, Queensryche etc....does she count?   ;D   I have a couple of guys who I'd call more acquaintances than friends who are DT fans and the experience is the same for all of us AFAIK.

That is - started listening in 1992 to I&W (all time fave), enjoyed Awake (not as much) , WTF'ed at FII but grew to like it more , dropped off the wagon more and more through the JR years until BC&SL and have been on board properly again (for new music) since ADTOE and DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 08, 2015, 11:28:46 PM
Oh, I see.  :blush Well, scratch my comment then.

It is an interesting angle though to think about. I can *definitely* say that of the 10-odd DT fans I've known closely (like, direct fans) over the years, none of them are remaining. They all started checking out around the ToT-Octavarium era.

Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?

Of the DT fans I know in real life (which is maybe a handful), they stopped listening around ToT/8V too, and haven't come back with the more recent ones.
I'd be the biggest DT fan of the people I know.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 08, 2015, 11:43:57 PM
Oh, I see.  :blush Well, scratch my comment then.

It is an interesting angle though to think about. I can *definitely* say that of the 10-odd DT fans I've known closely (like, direct fans) over the years, none of them are remaining. They all started checking out around the ToT-Octavarium era.

Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?

Of the DT fans I know in real life (which is maybe a handful), they stopped listening around ToT/8V too, and haven't come back with the more recent ones.
I'd be the biggest DT fan of the people I know.

Which shows that a lot of DT fans jumped...when the band took a huge risk? Because ToT / 8V is them leaving behind the trademark sound of the I&W to SFAM era.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 08, 2015, 11:47:16 PM
ToT was a risk style-wise. But 8V, other than the "cover songs" was the beginning of business-as-usual for DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 08, 2015, 11:53:38 PM
ToT was a risk style-wise. But 8V, other than the "cover songs" was the beginning of business-as-usual for DT.

Yeah, you could say that about Octavarium and Sacrificed Sons. But do you think that these are the songs that made old DT fans jump after listening to the Octavarium album? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 09, 2015, 12:21:08 AM
Oh, I see.  :blush Well, scratch my comment then.

It is an interesting angle though to think about. I can *definitely* say that of the 10-odd DT fans I've known closely (like, direct fans) over the years, none of them are remaining. They all started checking out around the ToT-Octavarium era.

Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?

Of the DT fans I know in real life (which is maybe a handful), they stopped listening around ToT/8V too, and haven't come back with the more recent ones.
I'd be the biggest DT fan of the people I know.

Which shows that a lot of DT fans jumped...when the band took a huge risk? Because ToT / 8V is them leaving behind the trademark sound of the I&W to SFAM era.

That's a bit of a spin. Awake was a huge departure from IaW, FII was a huge departure from what came before it, and while SFAM was more in the style of IaW, it was still a risky concept album with a lot of wacky and still controversial instrumental sections (which I would kill for them to return to at this point), and SDOIT was their most experimental album and a shift to heavier music.
ToT was a bit risky given the vanilla prog fanbase, but I agree that 8V was a return to pretty safe, and even with the last two albums being safe (especially ADTOE), nobody I know has regained interest in the band. And the majority of these people are very diverse musicians and music listeners, not the average narrow prog fan.
You can also simply make the case that the quality of the music hasn't been as strong since SDOIT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 09, 2015, 12:32:54 AM
Oh, I see.  :blush Well, scratch my comment then.

It is an interesting angle though to think about. I can *definitely* say that of the 10-odd DT fans I've known closely (like, direct fans) over the years, none of them are remaining. They all started checking out around the ToT-Octavarium era.

Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?

Of the DT fans I know in real life (which is maybe a handful), they stopped listening around ToT/8V too, and haven't come back with the more recent ones.
I'd be the biggest DT fan of the people I know.

Which shows that a lot of DT fans jumped...when the band took a huge risk? Because ToT / 8V is them leaving behind the trademark sound of the I&W to SFAM era.

That's a bit of a spin. Awake was a huge departure from IaW, FII was a huge departure from what came before it, and while SFAM was more in the style of IaW, it was still a risky concept album, and SDOIT was their most experimental album and a shift to heavier music. ToT was a bit risky, but I agree that 8V was a return to pretty safe, and even with the last two albums being safe, nobody I know has regained interest in the band. And the majority of these people are very diverse musicians and music listeners, not the average narrow prog fan.
You can also simply make the case that the quality of the music hasn't been as strong since SDOIT.

Of course we are working from our own interpretations, because I find that your interpretation is also quite a spin to fit how you would like to frame it. I am just working from my own experience as somebody who lost interest after 8V, did not buy SC and BC&SL at the time of release after finding them meh during my casual listen (I bought them after ADTOE), and only came back as a loyal fan with ADTOE and DT. And I have a couple of people I know who also went the same route. The quality indeed dropped after ToT, but I think a lot of the quality drop is because DT lost its identity, rather than the usual "safe" hypothesis being bandied around by the vocal posters in this forum.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on May 09, 2015, 04:11:20 AM
I would love if the songs for the new album were recorded "live" in the studio with minimal post-processing. Along with a BluRay that features multiple camera angles.
The last two albums (and ADTOE in particular) were overproduced and overprocessed. DT are an amazing live band, just harness that sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 09, 2015, 08:20:31 AM
Yeah just mic everything up but have all the cabs in a different room.

Use minimal gating and compression and almost no EQ, double track rhythms and solos and do a very slight master. Just an overall punch and sheen.

Bingo.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on May 09, 2015, 08:30:11 AM


Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?

Sort of.

My older brother is still a big fan, but he is not the kind to dissect anything at all.  He likes a lot of the newer stuff way more than I do (like, stuff from SC, for example), but still prefers the classic stuff the most.

My younger brother, however, who was the first of us three brothers to like them back in 1993, jumped ship on them a long time ago, largely because his musical preferences changed a lot.  I think he'll still bust out the occasional DT song and enjoy it, but it's not something he listens to regularly at all anymore.  And the only new stuff he's heard by them in probably the last 10 years is stuff he might have heard in my car by chance.

My friends Mike, Matt and Mark are all still fans, but to varying degrees.  Matt is the casual "I'll go see them for the hell of it" kind of fan, Mark likes them a lot and rarely expresses preferences, and Mike is of the "old stuff great, new stuff not-so great" variety. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 09, 2015, 08:53:40 AM



Do other people here have their "DT fan friends" circle still intact?

I really only have a few. My brother and I are still in to them and make road trips to shows together.....I'd say he's the biggest DT fan "friend" I have.

This is sad and sucks but the other huge DT fan friend of mine died in a car accident three years ago. He was an amazing guitarist...had his own teaching guild and was the person who really got me in to music back when I was a sophomore in High School. We went to our first DT show together in '93....he told me I had to come with him. I remember being floored watching them play that awesome instrumental section after "the third aaaarrrrives...." In Metropolis. Anyway, his younger brother and I now hang out and talk a bit and he's a big DT fan also.

And, I have a buddy who I've been close friends with since third grade who still can't believe when I mention DT that I STILL listen to them  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TL on May 09, 2015, 09:52:56 AM
My friend who introduced me to DT lost a bit of interest in them when they released Systematic Chaos. I think it was a combination of him not really digging that direction, and just exploring a lot of different styles of music around that time. He still liked their material before that, but wasn't listening to them as much as he had.
When MP left, he started paying attention again. First because he was worried that it could be the end of the band, but then when MM joined he got really excited about how that could turn out. He absolutely loved ADTOE and DT, and is a huge fan of theirs again, while also listening to all the stuff he had gotten into in the mean time.

I also had several friends who went through a phase where a lot of DT was suddenly too cheesy or silly for them. At that time, they only wanted to listen to 'serious' and 'mature' music (a lot of what they thought of that way back then they now look back on as being really childish, ironically). They didn't want to listen to anything 'uncool'. In the past few years though, a lot of them have come back around, and while they still think that some of DT's music is cheesy, that's a selling point for them these days. That element of music can be really fun.

Interestingly enough, as my musical tastes have broadened drastically over the past few years, the main effect that has had on my DT listening is that I've come to like some of their material that I wasn't all that crazy about in the past.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: dvargas on May 10, 2015, 10:05:33 AM
This place is deader than dead!

I don't think I have ever seen it as bad as this.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 10, 2015, 10:14:05 AM
Isn't it time we start discussing their hair or clothes or something?  :P  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2015, 10:25:25 AM
I think either the writing is going badly and they don't want to let on - or they're cooking up something extra special and are keeping it secret.

If it was business as usual - I think we'd have more updates by now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Plasmastrike on May 10, 2015, 10:35:30 AM
Man, DT being low key lately is making me so eager. They've been putting in work on the new record's music for quite some time. Squeeeeeeeee ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 10, 2015, 10:52:07 AM
Isn't it time we start discussing their hair or clothes or something?  :P  :biggrin:

Don't tempt me :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 10, 2015, 10:53:31 AM
I think either the writing is going badly and they don't want to let on - or they're cooking up something extra special and are keeping it secret.

If it was business as usual - I think we'd have more updates by now.

I just think they're doing a good job of keeping it secret. It was different with MP in the band. I don't mind either way really. Some people start to lose interest with all of this secrecy but not me. It actually builds my curiosity more.  Even albums that originally didn't blow me away have grown on me since their release like Systematic Chaos, so I'm not worried about loving the music they put out.


Isn't it time we start discussing their hair or clothes or something?  :P  :biggrin:

Don't tempt me :D

 :angel:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 10, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
I just think they're doing a good job of keeping it secret. It was different with MP in the band. I don't mind either way really. Some people start to lose interest with all of this secrecy but not me. It actually builds my curiosity more. 
I think what it does for me is that I kind of forget about them being in the studio. If we got a snippet every 3 weeks or so, I feel like that would drive me crazy. This time of not paying attention to DT allows me to listen to an already fantastic year of music.

When DT is ready, I sure as hell will be as well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 10, 2015, 04:12:40 PM
Isn't it time we start discussing their hair or clothes or something?  :P  :biggrin:
Been there
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 10, 2015, 05:56:15 PM
I just think they're doing a good job of keeping it secret. It was different with MP in the band. I don't mind either way really. Some people start to lose interest with all of this secrecy but not me. It actually builds my curiosity more. 
I think what it does for me is that I kind of forget about them being in the studio. If we got a snippet every 3 weeks or so, I feel like that would drive me crazy. This time of not paying attention to DT allows me to listen to an already fantastic year of music.

When DT is ready, I sure as hell will be as well.

Exactly.  It's not like I'm sitting in front of the computer waiting for the next update. When it's time, it's time. We know they're working on something and we know it's not going to be like waiting for a new Tool or Metallica CD, so people just need to have patience. You get some people who take the hints and references MP used to give and they hate the CD before they've even heard it. Get over yourselves.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on May 10, 2015, 07:07:27 PM
That's because you're too busy typing to all your love interests Johny.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 10, 2015, 09:07:05 PM
That's because you're too busy typing to all your love interests Johny.  :lol

Well that's one reason...   :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 11, 2015, 08:36:27 AM
Isn't it time we start discussing their hair or clothes or something?  :P  :biggrin:
Been there

 And there: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43685.0
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on May 11, 2015, 09:02:26 AM
I've spent some significant time with ADToE and DT12 over the last couple weeks. Setting aside the sound issues and focusing on
what MM has brought to the band and I have to say, even though I have a TON of respect for his super human abilities I just can't
seem to latch onto anything memorable or even a signature style. I know many will disagree with this and that is fine. I hope that
he is allowed to be unleashed and on his 3rd DT album we will see him shine and become an integral asset that raises the overall
level of the music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 11, 2015, 09:02:56 AM
Isn't it time we start discussing their hair or clothes or something?  :P  :biggrin:
Been there

 And there: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43685.0

I was actually saying it condescendingly. If you read some of the past pages of this thread, you would understand better. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on May 11, 2015, 09:10:12 AM
I've spent some significant time with ADToE and DT12 over the last couple weeks. Setting aside the sound issues and focusing on
what MM has brought to the band and I have to say, even though I have a TON of respect for his super human abilities I just can't
seem to latch onto anything memorable or even a signature style. I know many will disagree with this and that is fine. I hope that
he is allowed to be unleashed and on his 3rd DT album we will see him shine and become an integral asset that raises the overall
level of the music.

I really doubt this will happen. Don't get me wrong, I would love for this to happen but I was kind of expecting this to happen in DT12. JR and JP are the main composers of the music. I think MM knows his position in the band and be a contributor and not a composer. He might add a few sections here and there but I'm not expecting to be overblown by  the complete piece of music.

I've been enjoying ADTOE more on a live setting. Made a playlist from the Luna Park release with the songs from ADTOE and the songs shine a lot more than the original recording. Would of loved for DT to have changed the Bridges on the Sky outro verse.. The ending feels so anti-climatic on how it's currently setup. Would of loved for James to have stuck with the high note belting out and finish the song that first time around...But oh well..can't have them all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sacul on May 11, 2015, 11:19:22 AM
I just noticed that DT's day was a few days ago, May 8th (5/8) :facepalm: .
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: kirksnosehair on May 11, 2015, 11:56:09 AM
I've spent some significant time with ADToE and DT12 over the last couple weeks. Setting aside the sound issues and focusing on
what MM has brought to the band and I have to say, even though I have a TON of respect for his super human abilities I just can't
seem to latch onto anything memorable or even a signature style. I know many will disagree with this and that is fine. I hope that
he is allowed to be unleashed and on his 3rd DT album we will see him shine and become an integral asset that raises the overall
level of the music.


He's an amazing technician.  But I think what makes him amazing in terms of technical prowess also works against him in terms of being able to put together a memorable performance.  I am a big fan of technical ability and that is one of the things that drew me to Dream Theater in the first place.


I gave Mangini a pass on ADTOE because he wasn't involved in the writing process.  With that said, for me ADTOE is a vastly superior album, musically speaking. 


Now it may be just the fact that DT12 isn't one of my favorite DT albums - So, by extension, the drums being the only really "NEW" thing in the mix of DT12, I'm starting to understand why some people are having a difficult time warming to Mangini's playing.  For me the biggest issue, unfortunately, is the lackluster nature of DT12.  I seem to rate it lower and lower over time, it's near the bottom of my list now.  And obviously that doesn't help me enjoy Mangini's drumming. 


For now I'm going to say the jury is still out on Mangini.  For me, that is. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 11, 2015, 01:31:52 PM
I just noticed that DT's day was a few days ago, May 8th (5/8) :facepalm: .

Yeah, I went looking for the DT Day thread that day but couldn't find it.  Honestly, I prefer Sept. 8 (9/8) anyways, as that's the day I've historically celebrated my favorite prog bands.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Scorpion on May 11, 2015, 01:38:10 PM
Well, for normal people DT day is on the 5th of August anyway, so...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2015, 02:11:52 PM
Well, for normal people DT day is on the 5th of August anyway, so...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on May 11, 2015, 03:56:36 PM
So where's our update Dream Theater?

:soon:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 11, 2015, 07:25:47 PM
Well, for normal people DT day is on the 5th of August anyway, so...

Bah, save that date for the British prog rock bands.  There are plenty of 'em.  We Yanks will do the ole switcheroo date for the stateside rockers.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on May 12, 2015, 03:23:44 AM
Well, for normal people DT day is on the 5th of August anyway, so...

Bah, save that date for the British prog rock bands.  There are plenty of 'em.  We Yanks will do the ole switcheroo date for the stateside rockers.
Not just British - pretty much every country in the world apart from 'Mericuh.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 12, 2015, 03:44:58 AM
I've spent some significant time with ADToE and DT12 over the last couple weeks. Setting aside the sound issues and focusing on
what MM has brought to the band and I have to say, even though I have a TON of respect for his super human abilities I just can't
seem to latch onto anything memorable or even a signature style. I know many will disagree with this and that is fine. I hope that
he is allowed to be unleashed and on his 3rd DT album we will see him shine and become an integral asset that raises the overall
level of the music.

I have been one of the more active advocates of Mangini in this forum, and I am still quite puzzled at why people would not find anything memorable in MM's playing in Illumination Theory, Surrender to Reason, The Enemy Inside, and The Looking Glass. The distinct patterns are there to be picked up, and  they do not sound generic at all.

I said before that maybe MM does not yet have a really distinct style because it's his first time to really put the drum ideas that he used to teach in Berklee as a full-time member of a band. But, if you have intently listened to the DT album, there are seeds of a distinct style there, which includes 1) the syncing and highlighting of what the other instruments are doing, sometimes displaying extreme limb independence with different limbs highlighting different instruments, 2) the use of left and right cymbals, especially for the rides and hi-hats where he plays his "ghost notes", 3) the purposive use of very fast drum speed, especially in The Enemy Inside and in the one handed drum rolls in IT, 4) polyrhythms, which is heard a lot in Illumination Theory, 5) odd time signature combinations, like the "mothers for their children..." part of IT, and the instrumental section of Surrender to Reason, and 6) his amazing command of the bass drums, which you could hear in TEI, IT, and BTV.

MM drums differently from how Portnoy composed his drum parts, but that is to be expected. MM's distinct style is not really heard in drum fills, which MP has gifted us with a lot of air-drumming moments over the years. MM's genius, however, manifests in how he drums the song along with the other instruments. I have been looking at drum covers in the internet, and I have not seen anybody play correctly how he highlighted the high harmony in The Bigger Picture instrumental using his ride cymbals, for example.

Or even the intro of IT, where he hits the downbeat on a large oriental cymbal with his left hand, small cymbal highlights and the snare with his right hand, double time hi-hat with his left leg, and the bass drum syncing with the other instruments with his right leg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD7v2sTr1Es&t=03m40s

It's those drumming moments, simple they may seem to be (but are actually difficult to play once you do it) where he contributes a lot to the song without calling much attention to himself with flashy fills.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 12, 2015, 05:49:48 AM
I see your point...but some people just want the flashy fills.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on May 12, 2015, 05:52:03 AM
^That's a great post and I agree with it. That doesn't change my opinion though. He is a master at blending in and accenting the other
instruments and his interdependent limbs and speed are astonishing but there is nothing that makes it memorable or lasting to me.
To be fair though he may not have the freedom that MP did where he had total creative license. Joining an established band is far
different than being an original member. I would hope that on this 3rd album he is given complete creative control over his parts and then
we will see how it sounds.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 12, 2015, 06:12:29 AM
I think he will if they do not stick to the short song structure. Short songs, even for MP, did not really allow the drums to noticeably shine especially with abbreviated instrumental parts. This is why MM's drumming gets displayed noticeably in IT. Given the short song structures, he did ok. Especially in TEI, TLG and STR. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 12, 2015, 07:38:07 AM
The other thing Mp did a lot was to do flashy fills when they weren't needed.  The one that comes to mind right now as I type this is the

" SS BB SSSS BB SS BB SSSS " just before the instrumental section 3:50 in Fatal Tragedy.

Plus some other big herta type fills in ballady songs that don't fit the mood.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 12, 2015, 07:42:29 AM
There's nothing wrong with that fill. It fits perfectly. MM has also had sections where I felt he overplayed or played unnecessary fills (more so on the live DVDs). It goes with the territory. And I don't mean that's always a bad thing. I mean, it's DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on May 12, 2015, 07:59:03 AM
" SS BB SSSS BB SS BB SSSS " just before the instrumental section 3:50 in Fatal Tragedy.
Yeah, I noticed that as well, it's a bit over the top. Or, I should say, more over the top than usual. It's not really a complaint though, this kind of playing fits DT and I love it. One of the highlights of BTFW for me is MM's huge drum fills. One could argue that that big fill in the slow part of The Shattered Fortress doesn't really fit, but that kind of playing is the main reason I prefer that rendition over the studio version.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2015, 08:05:50 AM
I don't think overplaying is the issue, on either side of the trench. To me it's more about the lack of "good beats" so to speak. MM directly follows different instruments with different limbs. Which is incredibly impressive of course, but that makes his drumming kinda disappear in the back. DT was, even for me as a guitar player, a lot about prominent drums and how they often re-interpreted certain sections, given them different feels. MM does almost no reinterpretation.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Voices on May 12, 2015, 08:43:30 AM
I think he will if they do not stick to the short song structure. Short songs, even for MP, did not really allow the drums to noticeably shine especially with abbreviated instrumental parts. This is why MM's drumming gets displayed noticeably in IT. Given the short song structures, he did ok. Especially in TEI, TLG and STR. :)

This. I believe that if DT13 go back into the "longer songs structure", we'll have the best from MM. I really like the way he highlights what the others are playing, but specially how detailed is his drumming style. IMO, MP was repeating himself in so many ways, that I started to find his drumming a bit predictable over the years.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ResultsMayVary on May 12, 2015, 09:44:47 AM
There's nothing wrong with that fill. It fits perfectly. MM has also had sections where I felt he overplayed or played unnecessary fills (more so on the live DVDs). It goes with the territory. And I don't mean that's always a bad thing. I mean, it's DT.
Exactly. Overplaying on a "ridiculous" scale is pretty much DT SOP, to a certain degree. There is a thing as too much, but I don't think DT reaches that particular plateau.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2015, 10:52:06 AM
Besides, that Fatal Tragedy fill couldn't fit any better. It makes for a perfect cut to the next section.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on May 12, 2015, 11:45:56 AM
Besides, that Fatal Tragedy fill couldn't fit any better. It makes for a perfect cut to the next section.
As I said, I don't really have a problem with it (although I certainly see Kotowboy point of view, as this particular fill stood out to me a long time ago), but it's really nothing special, just the same overplayed RL KK RLRL KK Portnoy-ism he always does (other noticeable examples would include the fill before the final chorus of PMU and the beginning of Paradigm Shift). On the DVD 'Progressive Drum Concepts', he even acknowledges that he overplays this fill, and that was in the Awake-era. He didn't push himself too hard since then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on May 12, 2015, 01:05:37 PM
There's nothing wrong with that fill. It fits perfectly. MM has also had sections where I felt he overplayed or played unnecessary fills (more so on the live DVDs). It goes with the territory. And I don't mean that's always a bad thing. I mean, it's DT.

HAHAHA, that's a great point.  Saying a member of Dream Theater "overplayed" is kinda like saying Kate Upton is TOO hot. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on May 12, 2015, 03:13:33 PM
There's nothing wrong with that fill. It fits perfectly. MM has also had sections where I felt he overplayed or played unnecessary fills (more so on the live DVDs). It goes with the territory. And I don't mean that's always a bad thing. I mean, it's DT.

HAHAHA, that's a great point.  Saying a member of Dream Theater "overplayed" is kinda like saying Kate Upton is TOO hot.

yes because every dream theater song should have all the members playing as fast as they can all the time

Yes, there is a such thing as overplaying. I don't want to hear blast beats in my ambient music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
To me, it always comes back to Enigma Machine. This was prime time DT showcase material; no vocals, pure focus on the instruments. MM unleashed, this was gonna be the moment.
Reality is, it's barely better than Raw Dog. The drum solo spot shines through its number of hit drums per second. Other than that there's nothing interesting or memorable about it.
Somewhere deep down I hope that MM is a more interesting drummer than he comes as across. All I see and hear are, pun intended, hand exercises.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on May 12, 2015, 03:44:26 PM
I think the issues to that instrumental is on the melody more than the drumming.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 12, 2015, 03:45:53 PM

Reality is, it's barely better than Raw Dog.
Thank you..thank you.

I raised this when it was released. In fact, I'm taking Raw Dog every time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 12, 2015, 03:59:44 PM
To me, it always comes back to Enigma Machine. This was prime time DT showcase material; no vocals, pure focus on the instruments. MM unleashed, this was gonna be the moment.
Reality is, it's barely better than Raw Dog. The drum solo spot shines through its number of hit drums per second. Other than that there's nothing interesting or memorable about it.
Somewhere deep down I hope that MM is a more interesting drummer than he comes as across. All I see and hear are, pun intended, hand exercises.

The highlight of the drumming in Enigma Machine is not the drum solo. It's the odd arrangment of the time signatures and the polyrhythns.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2015, 04:00:41 PM
I think the issues to that instrumental is on the melody more than the drumming.

There's no doubt that neither component shines in that song. Just like Raw Dog, it's essentially finger exercises, concatenated for minutes.
But, does that excuse MM? I know that sometimes you can't polish a turd, but a sign of a true star is to take an unfortunate scenario and transform it into something special. MM decided to go safe; not change the drum sound, not change the song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2015, 04:04:26 PM
The highlight of the drumming in Enigma Machine is not the drum solo. It's the odd arrangment of the time signatures and the polyrhythns.

Can you point those out, as a genuine request? There's a good chance I'm simply not hearing it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on May 12, 2015, 04:16:14 PM
I think the issues to that instrumental is on the melody more than the drumming.

There's no doubt that neither component shines in that song. Just like Raw Dog, it's essentially finger exercises, concatenated for minutes.
But, does that excuse MM? I know that sometimes you can't polish a turd, but a sign of a true star is to take an unfortunate scenario and transform it into something special. MM decided to go safe; not change the drum sound, not change the song.

While I agree that MM's style lends to the background rather than the forefront,  and that might be his personality, sometimes on instrument can't save a below average song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2015, 04:28:19 PM
Ready for another can of worms?

Was MM the right decision during the audition? He was clearly one of the most capable, and even more so malleable. But it seems to me what DT really needed was a seismic shift, a la JR joining.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 12, 2015, 04:34:30 PM
That's not a can of worms. It was asked after the choice was made. MM was obviously the safe choice, and the band was very happy with him. Now is the jump from MP to MM as large as the jump from DS to JR? No.

But They haven't exactly tapped JR's talents either.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on May 12, 2015, 04:35:04 PM

Reality is, it's barely better than Raw Dog.
Thank you..thank you.

I raised this when it was released. In fact, I'm taking Raw Dog every time.

Never noticed this, but now I can't unhear it :omg:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 12, 2015, 04:42:42 PM
The last thing DT wanted in 2010/11 was a seismic shift.  They were looking for someone that fit like a glove so that the band could continue from where it left off.  To me, the drumming performance in ADTOE is mind bending, so I've never questioned Mangini's role in the band (yeah, I know he didn't write those parts, but it doesn't negate the awesomeness for me).

Anyway -- hope there will be some studio updates soon so that this thread becomes topical and relevant again.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2015, 04:49:42 PM

Reality is, it's barely better than Raw Dog.
Thank you..thank you.

I raised this when it was released. In fact, I'm taking Raw Dog every time.

Never noticed this, but now I can't unhear it :omg:

It's an interesting discussion on its own actually.  The last two instrumentals were almost carbon copies of each other.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 12, 2015, 04:56:02 PM

Reality is, it's barely better than Raw Dog.
Thank you..thank you.

I raised this when it was released. In fact, I'm taking Raw Dog every time.

Never noticed this, but now I can't unhear it :omg:
The last two instrumentals were almost carbon copies of each other.

Um no.  Just no. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 12, 2015, 04:58:50 PM
Why not? How on Earth is Raw Dog worse than Enigma Machine.? I've never understood this. I kept asking this when DT 12 came out.

And though I am not a fan of King Crimson, Raw Dog is a huge nod to KC in the beginning and end. I also think it's way more interesting in the middle. Enigma Machine, if you ask me, is kind of boring.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2015, 05:02:19 PM
The first 30 seconds of Raw Dog are actually cool.  After that I really don't see the difference to Enigma Machine.  They could make a medley out of them and it would sound like one  song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 12, 2015, 05:15:22 PM
I guess I always viewed Enigma Machine as a reflection of Erotomania (the atonal keyboard opening and shifting time signature patterns, followed by an upbeat semi-atonal guitar melody), whereas Raw Dog was a straight forward chugging thrashy tune more suited for a video game.  So my listening experience will always be influenced by those parameters (and the reason I don't hear the comparison like Rumborak).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on May 12, 2015, 05:57:25 PM
I guess I always viewed Enigma Machine as a reflection of Erotomania (the atonal keyboard opening and shifting time signature patterns, followed by an upbeat semi-atonal guitar melody), whereas Raw Dog was a straight forward chugging thrashy tune more suited for a video game.  So my listening experience will always be influenced by those parameters (and the reason I don't hear the comparison like Rumborak).

Enigma Machine has no atonality.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 12, 2015, 06:04:51 PM
The first 30 seconds of Raw Dog are actually cool.  After that I really don't see the difference to Enigma Machine.  They could make a medley out of them and it would sound like one  song.
Maybe, which is why I still never get why Enigma Machine would be praised while Raw Dog gets slagged. Now, while I do like RD better, objectively, I feel it's no where as inferior to EM as most make it out to be.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 12, 2015, 06:31:44 PM
Given that I rate Enigma Machine as one of their top 2 or top 3 instrumentals (behind SOC and maybe Erotomania), and Raw Dog dead last, I can't agree.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 12, 2015, 07:51:27 PM
Yeah, Raw Dog really sounds like a jam with a lot of thrashy riffing.

Enigma Machine actually has a concept, which you can glean from its title. An Enigma Machine is a cipher machine used by the Germans before and during World War II. The theme of the song, as narrated by Jordan: "I don’t know if we were thinking Pink Panther-ish or a television-worthy kind of theme, but we were playing around with those concepts." JP was more explicit when he said "It has a spy-theme motif, which is why I called it ‘Enigma Machine."

Unlike Raw Dog, Enigma Machine also is structured like a song. As JP said: "We also knew we didn't want to make an extended instrumental track that went on forever, we wanted to write a song at the same time, so it has a form structure of a song, with vocals with verses, choruses and bridges."

And in keeping with the Enigma Machine theme, a real Enigma Machine is where you would encode a message, which would go through different permutations in the process of encryption, then goes back to the original message once decrypted. They followed the same pattern in the song, where an original theme is introduced, goes through several complex permutations, then returns to the original theme in the end. As noted in one review, "So, it’s built up on many different riffs, and there’s a lot of changes between styles and rhythms. It kinda builds up with a couple of different shorter sections, then has a mid section with fast and furious guitar and keyboard solos, then a bass-solo breakdown into a slower and more emotional solo section, before it unravels the song it has built up by repeating the sections the song built up with, only in almost the opposite order."

So Enigma Machine does not really compare to Raw Dog. Only a very "surface-only" understanding would lead one to make that comparison.

EDIT: SInce we are talking Enigma Machine, there is a very good rum cover of this song in youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JgQ95miYe4 I like how he explained the MM drum fill in the end.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 12, 2015, 09:06:53 PM
Ready for another can of worms?

Was MM the right decision during the audition? He was clearly one of the most capable, and even more so malleable. But it seems to me what DT really needed was a seismic shift, a la JR joining.
Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 12, 2015, 09:23:23 PM
Read that before (maybe from you). Regardless, using accounting parlance, it's sunk cost so it is now irrelevant.  ;) We would not have heard Marco's great drumming with the Aristocrats and Steven Wilson if that pushed through.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 12, 2015, 09:54:14 PM
Ready for another can of worms?

Was MM the right decision during the audition? He was clearly one of the most capable, and even more so malleable. But it seems to me what DT really needed was a seismic shift, a la JR joining.
Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?

Oh my god worms everywhere.  That's actually quite funny.  MM got MM's sloppy seconds.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2015, 10:35:36 PM
Obviously speaking here from personal preference, but I'm not surprised they offered it first to Marco. What he's done for Steven Wilson is nothing short of brilliant.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2015, 10:40:22 PM
Enigma Machine actually has a concept, which you can glean from its title. An Enigma Machine is a cipher machine used by the Germans before and during World War II. The theme of the song, as narrated by Jordan: "I don’t know if we were thinking Pink Panther-ish or a television-worthy kind of theme, but we were playing around with those concepts." JP was more explicit when he said "It has a spy-theme motif, which is why I called it ‘Enigma Machine."

Unlike Raw Dog, Enigma Machine also is structured like a song. As JP said: "We also knew we didn't want to make an extended instrumental track that went on forever, we wanted to write a song at the same time, so it has a form structure of a song, with vocals with verses, choruses and bridges."

And in keeping with the Enigma Machine theme, a real Enigma Machine is where you would encode a message, which would go through different permutations in the process of encryption, then goes back to the original message once decrypted. They followed the same pattern in the song, where an original theme is introduced, goes through several complex permutations, then returns to the original theme in the end. As noted in one review, "So, it’s built up on many different riffs, and there’s a lot of changes between styles and rhythms. It kinda builds up with a couple of different shorter sections, then has a mid section with fast and furious guitar and keyboard solos, then a bass-solo breakdown into a slower and more emotional solo section, before it unravels the song it has built up by repeating the sections the song built up with, only in almost the opposite order."

So Enigma Machine does not really compare to Raw Dog. Only a very "surface-only" understanding would lead one to make that comparison.

I must gracefully disagree. Enigma Machine's relation to the WWII device is no more than the title. As JR said, it's a spy theme. "Enigma Machine" sounds neat, so they went with that name.
Somehow transferring the history and complexity of the machine to this song is, IMHO disingenuous, and just tries to give it heft that it doesn't possess on its own merits.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 12, 2015, 10:59:09 PM
There's nothing wrong with that fill. It fits perfectly. MM has also had sections where I felt he overplayed or played unnecessary fills (more so on the live DVDs). It goes with the territory. And I don't mean that's always a bad thing. I mean, it's DT.

HAHAHA, that's a great point.  Saying a member of Dream Theater "overplayed" is kinda like saying Kate Upton is TOO hot. 

She's a generic blonde fridge.

I also agree with rumby that EM wasn't that much better than Raw Dog (I don't hate Raw Dog btw). EM has a really fun riff, but it's largely just riff, and it doesn't really go anywhere with it. I found it disappointing for their first album instrumental in a long time.

Did they officially offer the drum gig to Minnemann? I recall something about them asking him if he'd commit to the full time gig of touring and he didn't want to, and he appears to have been one of the top two contenders along with Mangini, but was he outright offered the part? I initially wanted Minnemann to get the part, so I would have been curious to hear what he brought to the table.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 12, 2015, 11:12:01 PM
I must gracefully disagree. Enigma Machine's relation to the WWII device is no more than the title. As JR said, it's a spy theme. "Enigma Machine" sounds neat, so they went with that name.
Somehow transferring the history and complexity of the machine to this song is, IMHO disingenuous, and just tries to give it heft that it doesn't possess on its own merits.

The thing is, Enigma Machine is not a title that you would just pull out of thin air.

I find it funny that people here, when they like a song, would portray Dream Theater as a very purposive band in terms of composition, giving titles, etc. (like, how many times was Octavarium or the SFAM songs analyzed for its structure, its lyrical and instrumental meaning). But when it's a song they do not like, DT is portrayed as an unthinking bunch who pick titles out of nowhere and just compose their songs out of jams with musical choices picked just because they sound cool (see how any interpretation of Illumination Theory in this board is dismissed as just a mere interpretation and how IT is really just a  bunch of musical ideas pasted together).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 12, 2015, 11:22:58 PM
I'm not sure whether you've ever written a song,  but that's  *exactly* how most instrumental song titles are chosen.  Simply by association.  "Oh, kinda spy-ish theme to the riff.  Let's call it something mysterious.  Enigma Machine?  Sounds good."

Songs with lyrics, different story.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 12, 2015, 11:23:51 PM
Ready for another can of worms?

Was MM the right decision during the audition? He was clearly one of the most capable, and even more so malleable. But it seems to me what DT really needed was a seismic shift, a la JR joining.
Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?

If that were true, it would explain... basically everything about how MM's relationship with the band always feels kinda weird.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 13, 2015, 12:03:48 AM
I think there's a big difference between having a conversation that queries "how would you feel if we were to ask you to join?" vs straight out extending the invitation. 

Perhaps Marco interpreted it as him being asked to join first, when in reality DT was just exploring further conversations of what it would mean to have Marco in the band without actually committing to an "exclusive" offer.   Given DT's delicacy at the time, I can imagine them posing a "what if we were to offer the job to you" scenerios to both finalists to compare responses.

This is sorta how JP and MP approached Jordan in '99.

Of course, this is all conjecture- so its just a hunch.  I've seen  plenty of these exploratory non-committal conversations in the industry, which are always misinterpreted as an "offer" -- but hey maybe there really was one in this case.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 13, 2015, 12:14:01 AM
I'm not sure whether you've ever written a song,  but that's  *exactly* how most instrumental song titles are chosen.  Simply by association.  "Oh, kinda spy-ish theme to the riff.  Let's call it something mysterious.  Enigma Machine?  Sounds good."

Songs with lyrics, different story.

That. It's not like you typically think "hm what can we write this instrumental song about?", then choose a name and write music that evokes it. They have a bunch of musical ideas, and one might develop into an instrumental, then they choose a name. The thought goes into the music, not into naming it.

It has nothing to do with not liking a song, or trying to portray anyone as not thoughtful, that's just how it generally works. I don't think the name of any of DT's instrumentals came before the song. A name is ultimately trivial.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on May 13, 2015, 02:57:38 AM
I love Enigma Machine and I find Kate Upton, her ill-shaped melons and the dumb look on her face, repulsive. Opinions.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 13, 2015, 04:06:41 AM
When I write music - I either :

- Name the song based on how the song sounds or what kind of vibe it invokes.

Or

- Think of a title I like the sound of and write a song based on what I hear in my head when I say the   

title.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 13, 2015, 04:47:28 AM
Ready for another can of worms?

Was MM the right decision during the audition? He was clearly one of the most capable, and even more so malleable. But it seems to me what DT really needed was a seismic shift, a la JR joining.
Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?

If he was just going to turn them down, why did he even bother auditioning?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bl5150 on May 13, 2015, 04:51:50 AM
If he was just going to turn them down, why did he even bother auditioning?

A number of them ,incl Donati , really had little interest in the gig .  The whole thing was pretty weird I reckon, even though it seemed to achieve its objective of exposure for all involved..
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 13, 2015, 04:54:21 AM
If he was just going to turn them down, why did he even bother auditioning?

A number of them ,incl Donati , really had little interest in the gig .  The whole thing was pretty weird I reckon.

Seemed like more of a publicity stunt.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bl5150 on May 13, 2015, 04:56:16 AM
You quoted me before my edit ,so yeah I agree........ :lol

I can't remember the drummer involved but in an interview afterwards he said "not interested ,but looks good on the resume". And presumably DT were happy with that side of things as they had the names involved that they wanted.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 13, 2015, 05:01:26 AM
You quoted me before my edit ,so yeah........ :lol

I can't remember the drummer involved but in an interview afterwards he said "not interested ,but looks good on the resume". And presumably DT were happy with that side of things as they had the names involved that they wanted.

Most of those guys don't seem like the type to settle down in a band environment. They do their own thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on May 13, 2015, 05:20:02 AM
If he was just going to turn them down, why did he even bother auditioning?

A number of them ,incl Donati , really had little interest in the gig .  The whole thing was pretty weird I reckon.

Seemed like more of a publicity stunt.
It's a professional courtesy as well, if DT invites you to audition, you do it. Millions of people watched those videos, it's probably the biggest exposure most of those drummers ever got. Marco is a strange specimen, however. He said he wanted no part of the "reality show documentary" and that they used the footage against his will.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jonnybaxy on May 13, 2015, 05:28:53 AM
You quoted me before my edit ,so yeah........ :lol

I can't remember the drummer involved but in an interview afterwards he said "not interested ,but looks good on the resume". And presumably DT were happy with that side of things as they had the names involved that they wanted.

Most of those guys don't seem like the type to settle down in a band environment. They do their own thing.

I believe Marco just went to Jam and see where that went with them.

To me the last album have very little actual content that I could stick my teeth into. IT was felt like it was mainly orchestral filler, Enigma machine was very underwhelming (as already mentioned) and there was a couple other over processed songs with way too many vocal effects (IMO) which just really put me off the album, I haven't listened to a single song off DT12 in over a year... and I listen to DT almost everyday.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2015, 06:25:12 AM
Enigma Machine sounds like an actual composed piece.  It all sounds like it goes together, a unified composition.  I can see how people may not like it, or like other instrumentals much more, but it that's a different matter.

Raw Dog sounds exactly like what they said it was - a collection of previously unused riffs and sections left over from previous album recording sessions, completely unrelated to each other, that they stitched together over the course of a day or two in the studio, as a release that most people would never even know about.  I still can't believe they even did it.

The King Crimson parts are cool, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 13, 2015, 06:39:14 AM
 I just listened to Raw Dog for the first time since 2010 today. The keyboard lead in 05:35 is repeated almost exactly the same in Enigma Machine. I prefer Raw Dog!

 I didn´t know they had offered the gig first to Marco Minneman! The audition videos are obviously misleading because so much was cut from them, but imho, based on what was shown, Minneman, Wildoer and Lang did a great job too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2015, 07:09:09 AM
I learned two new things in this thread!

One, MM was apparently not the first choice for replacement drummer.

I am turned on by generic blonde refrigerators!

Happy day!

 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 13, 2015, 08:36:03 AM
You quoted me before my edit ,so yeah........ :lol

I can't remember the drummer involved but in an interview afterwards he said "not interested ,but looks good on the resume". And presumably DT were happy with that side of things as they had the names involved that they wanted.

Most of those guys don't seem like the type to settle down in a band environment. They do their own thing.

I believe Marco just went to Jam and see where that went with them.

You get a free ticket to NYC and a chance of exposure. Who would say no to that. Derek Roddy also said later that when he got the call by JR, he was very open about his commitments (particularly his snake-breeding business) and how he was not willing to just ditch that. Nonetheless they asked him to come out to New York.
I'm assuming similar things happened with Donati, or Lang. I think the only person other than MM who was really fully interested in joining DT was Aquiles Priester.

I would also assume there were other drummers asked, but who declined the invitation. For example, I can not imagine them not having asked Gavin Harrison. He was being heaped on with accolades in those days, and Porcupine Tree was already in hiatus mode.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bl5150 on May 13, 2015, 08:56:01 AM
Bobby Jarzombek was asked and declined .
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 13, 2015, 09:46:44 AM
Ready for another can of worms?

Was MM the right decision during the audition? He was clearly one of the most capable, and even more so malleable. But it seems to me what DT really needed was a seismic shift, a la JR joining.
Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?

If that were true, it would explain... basically everything about how MM's relationship with the band always feels kinda weird.
How dies it feel weird? Never noticed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 13, 2015, 10:29:10 AM
They're relationship goes like this:

MM is happy. It's his dream job.
DT is happy. They keep doing what they have been doing all their lives.

No loss there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on May 13, 2015, 12:03:39 PM
Clearly, no one wanted the job more than Mangini. Plus, he nailed it at the audition. So it was the only logical choice. Otherwise, if you wanted someone in particular, you could just offered the job directly. Period.

Personally I'd loved to see some of my favourites drummers auditioning: John Macaluso, Kevin Soffera and Glen Sobel.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jammindude on May 13, 2015, 12:10:23 PM
Marco was my first choice as well.  And wasn't he the one that JLB just *glowed* about in the doc?   But I heard basically the same thing.  That the job was Marco's and it just wasn't a situation he wanted to be a part of.   I know that a lot of people don't understand the concept of trying out for a gig you don't necessarily want, but it is just the way things are done for the most part. 

In the end, Mangini turned out to be a great fit. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 13, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
I think it's a take/take situation. With Minnemann, the band would probably have kept that 'sweaty spark' of fun and improvisation that was present with Portnoy, and I'm not quite sure if they would have played with a click track with him. With Mangini, the band turned into a more 'academic' side of music and it shows. Both approaches aren't bad, they are just different.

For the record, Minnemann is my favorite drummer. I would have loved seeing with with DT, but as it has been said for the past 5 years, Mangini is a perfect fit. Taking the bigger picture into account (OMG NUGGIT), keeping Mangini was the best decision.

Also, if Minnemann had gotten the gig back then, we probably wouldn't have had the glorious Steven Wilson band he have today.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 13, 2015, 12:50:10 PM
Also, if Minnemann had gotten the gig back then, we probably wouldn't have had the glorious Steven Wilson band he have today.

That's why, as much as I also think that Marco would have been my favorite of the audition, I don't regret the decision at all. It is unlikely that Marco would have been able to steer the rudder much, so his input likely would have been somewhat subdued. In SW's band he had way more leeway and could really shine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Randaran on May 13, 2015, 01:53:43 PM
I learned two new things in this thread!

One, MM was apparently not the first choice for replacement drummer.

I am turned on by generic blonde refrigerators!

Happy day!

Tits on a refrigerator would be awesome.

Everything makes sense now.  :o
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 13, 2015, 02:12:51 PM
We move in circles
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ResultsMayVary on May 13, 2015, 02:13:43 PM
something something Octavarium
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 13, 2015, 02:22:41 PM
ROOOOAAAAAAR!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 13, 2015, 03:09:41 PM
youre gonna shine
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on May 13, 2015, 09:49:52 PM
Enigma Machine sounds like an actual composed piece.  It all sounds like it goes together, a unified composition.  I can see how people may not like it, or like other instrumentals much more, but it that's a different matter.

Raw Dog sounds exactly like what they said it was - a collection of previously unused riffs and sections left over from previous album recording sessions, completely unrelated to each other, that they stitched together over the course of a day or two in the studio, as a release that most people would never even know about.  I still can't believe they even did it.

The King Crimson parts are cool, though.

Agreed. I don't get the hate for Enigma Machine at all. It's a composed instrumental and a pretty solid one at that. I don't even really care about the flashy parts one way or another, I just find it to be a solid piece. I wouldn't rank it among the top DT instrumentals, but it's better than Raw Dog by miles and miles. It's also better than Ytse Jam to me, and not too far below Erotomania.




I learned two new things in this thread!

One, MM was apparently not the first choice for replacement drummer.

I am turned on by generic blonde refrigerators!

Happy day!

Yup.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ErHaO on May 14, 2015, 06:51:52 AM
I am not overly fond of Enigma Machine, but I thought it was really great in a live setting, and that has to count for something too.

I think Mangini was a great choice. While the last two albums are not their best, each had some truly great songs and while it may not be the direction some of us prefer, I do think DT12 brought some new elements to the table.

As for my personal wishes:
I like (DT) wankery, so I would be glad if they steer a bit into madness again (so, a few longer songs). I hope they use the "groove" of some of the Illumination Theory parts, I feel they can do more with that to liven up their straight on metal songs. And since Labrie pulls of Awake material greatly live (in a cleaner, more controlled manner), I hope some songs will venture a bit more into that in terms of vocals in some sections. A concept or some tied songs with recurring themes would be great too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Nearmyth on May 14, 2015, 07:35:03 PM
On the Enigma Machine discussion: I actually see a lot of "similarities," for lack of a better word, between DT12 and Rush's "Moving Pictures." More specifically, Enigma Machine is very structurally similar to YYZ - just something I noticed.
Soft intro - louder intro - funky main riff - some solos (bass solos) - spacey guitar/synth part - reprise funky main riff - reprise intro riff

Then again you could say that's a common structure for any instrumental, but I just thought the similarities between the two were interesting
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 14, 2015, 09:35:32 PM
I listened to EM again randomly today, and the guitar solos (especially the first one) are still as awesome as the first time I heard them. I enjoy the song a lot as a whole, but those moments stand out for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Miss Bangkok on May 14, 2015, 10:40:29 PM
Just wanted to chime in regarding the drummer auditions, since the topic has been touched on. It really was nothing more than a publicity stunt. I personally know Thomas Lang, and while I can't speak for the other guys, I know for a fact that when they called him, they told him up front that they had already chosen MP's replacement, and it wasn't him. Thomas declined, so they ended up paying him to audition. It was the only way he was willing to take time off for it, and obviously the only real reason worth it; that and as others have said, having it on your resume. Heard it straight from the horse's mouth. I thought the whole thing was weird, but I suppose in the end it was just business.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on May 15, 2015, 02:58:14 AM
Here's a bigger can of worms. Apparently they offered the gig to Marco Minnemann first, and only after he turned them down did they go with Mangini. I say this from speaking with Marco after a show in Feb of 2011. Funny how that detail is missing from the documentary, eh?
I personally know Thomas Lang, and while I can't speak for the other guys, I know for a fact that when they called him, they told him up front that they had already chosen MP's replacement, and it wasn't him. (...) Heard it straight from the horse's mouth
As quoted above you, these are two contradictory statements, both allegedly coming from the "horse's mouth." They couldn't have chosen the drummer beforehand and then juggle between MM and MM. Something got lost in translation, so to speak. Not to mention, choosing a drummer is a bilateral decision, so either Mangini is the world's greatest actor putting that performance on at the end of the third episode, or DT (after getting Mangini's confirmation that he'd be in no matter what) just put him through that ordeal for no good reason. Also, they obviously wanted to keep an extremely tight lid on the whole thing, so starting out by gossiping to the other prospects that it's a done deal seems unreasonable and unlikely. It wouldn't have made for a good documentary if everyone involved already knew the outcome.


Thomas declined, so they ended up paying him to audition. It was the only way he was willing to take time off for it, and obviously the only real reason worth it;
They all got payed, at least based on Minnemman's butthurt FB post:
Quote
I btw have an email where they promised me to not use the video if I don't want to. Well, they lied:-). But thanks for your kind words. For the entire filming I received $500, broken promises about the release and collaborations on my new CD. And someone calling me and complaining he heard I was telling people in advance who the new drummer is. And on top of it I never got even send a copy. So FU DT, I'm sorry:-)
I don't get it why he wouldn't have wanted the exposure the documentary brought him, but Levin Minnemann Rudess happened, so it's all good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Scorpion on May 15, 2015, 03:03:31 AM
I wouldn't call Minnemann's post butthurt. I found his reaction very mild, if anything, if what he is saying is true.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on May 15, 2015, 03:13:15 AM
I wouldn't call Minnemann's post butthurt. I found his reaction very mild, if anything, if what he is saying is true.
I found it passive-aggressive, unnecessary and shady. He obviously must have signed a contract, which made it abundantly clear whether the footage will be used or not. He agreed to filming, said all the stuff about wanting to be in DT (which he didn't have to, as other guys who didn't really want the gig handled way more tactfully) and then he went back on it all publicly. He must've realized as well that the post wasn't kosher, since he removed it after a while. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 15, 2015, 04:00:06 AM
I wouldn't call Minnemann's post butthurt. I found his reaction very mild, if anything, if what he is saying is true.
I found it passive-aggressive, unnecessary and shady. He obviously must have signed a contract, which made it abundantly clear whether the footage will be used or not. He agreed to filming, said all the stuff about wanting to be in DT (which he didn't have to, as other guys who didn't really want the gig handled way more tactfully) and then he went back on it all publicly. He must've realized as well that the post wasn't kosher, since he removed it after a while. 

I agree.

As for these apparently contradicting stories about the drummer audition, I don't think that's necessarily the case. I think we're just dealing with different viewpoints of the process filtered through some misunderstandings along the way. They're probably all correct from their POV.

There were probably only a few legitimate contenders out of the drummers who auditioned, but I know for a fact DT didn't have someone decided beforehand, or that MM knew he was getting the gig.
And maybe they were hoping some of the drummers would become more open to joining DT if they clicked well in the jam session.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Scorpion on May 15, 2015, 04:09:31 AM
I guess I worded it wrong. Yeah, it's unprofessional. I'm just saying that his reaction is understandable and I wouldn't call it butthurt, which implies unreasonableness to me, if what he says is true.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 15, 2015, 06:07:46 AM
I definitely don't see a contradiction with Marco's story.  DT management had a business to save,  and that took precedence.  When Marco turned down the offer  (BTW probably also the reason why Mangini didn't get the call for a long time) but they then got Mike,  I'm sure when faced with the options  a)  keeping the promise to Marco and not having a documentary or b) having the documentary that likely would reignite the fans,  I'm sure DT management decided on the latter and see what will come out of it.  And I'm sure the LMR collaboration  was part of the "making up for it".

Regarding Thomas Lang,  maybe they told him he wasn't actually being considered as replacement but he should show up nonetheless, and he took that to mean that they had already chosen the next person.  Wouldn't be surprised if they said the same to Donati.

On a side note,  it's probably rather known that I'm not the biggest fan of their late musical output,  but the documentary was a stroke of genius.  Hands-down the thing I enjoyed the most since BCSL probably.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 15, 2015, 06:18:38 AM
 From a business / career perspective, all the drummers who were shown in the audition benefitted IMMENSELY from it. A lot of people, even though they are prog metal fans, didn´t know half the guys on the list...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Scorpion on May 15, 2015, 06:33:29 AM
Positivity in a rumborak post on the DT side? Has hell frozen over? :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 15, 2015, 06:43:23 AM
From a business / career perspective, all the drummers who were shown in the audition benefitted IMMENSELY from it. A lot of people, even though they are prog metal fans, didn´t know half the guys on the list...

I only knew of Mangini and Donati so I'm inclined to say you're right. I mean, being asked to audition for the most successful progressive metal band of all time to replace one of the most well regarded and well respected drummers out there doesn't hurt your credibility that's for sure.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 15, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
I knew of Aquiles too because he played in Angra and he lives in Brazil like me, and I think Minneman was in the back of my mind because he played also with Paul Gilbert, but can´t be sure. I´d never heard of Wildoer, Lang or the other dude.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 15, 2015, 07:18:06 AM
Positivity in a rumborak post on the DT side? Has hell frozen over? :P

No seriously, I have rewatched the documentary many times over (and might do again today; it's Friday!  :P ). I think it's thoroughly enjoyable to see all these different approaches by the different drummers. It gives an *actual* insight into the band (which sadly is quite rare these days), and shows them just in a practice room, doing their band thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on May 15, 2015, 07:26:15 AM
Positivity in a rumborak post on the DT side? Has hell frozen over? :P

No seriously, I have rewatched the documentary many times over (and might do again today; it's Friday!  :P ). I think it's thoroughly enjoyable to see all these different approaches by the different drummers. It gives an *actual* insight into the band (which sadly is quite rare these days), and shows them just in a practice room, doing their band thing.
Same here. I watched it dozens of times over the years, it was the very thing that got me into DT and prompted me to start playing drums, which I enjoy immensely and had great success with since. It's probably one the most influential and important videos of my life.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 15, 2015, 07:28:33 AM
I knew of Aquiles too because he played in Angra and he lives in Brazil like me, and I think Minneman was in the back of my mind because he played also with Paul Gilbert, but can´t be sure. I´d never heard of Wildoer, Lang or the other dude.

As a drummer myself, only Priester was new to me. I've been aware of Thomas Lang since 2004 and wanted him to get the job.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 15, 2015, 08:15:28 AM
Just watching the videos again, I think this comment by JLB ("That was the most incredible ... by far!")

https://youtu.be/L609JsPFmmI?t=1214

also corroborates that MM wasn't the immediate first choice. You can only say "by far" if you have a point of comparison, and Mangini was the first to audition, so that comment can't have been about him. It was very likely about Marco.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on May 15, 2015, 08:55:36 AM
So how many months have they been in studio now? Right around 4 months right? If it's an early fall release they must be getting
close to wrapping this baby up soon.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 15, 2015, 09:02:55 AM
Just watching the videos again, I think this comment by JLB ("That was the most incredible ... by far!")

https://youtu.be/L609JsPFmmI?t=1214

also corroborates that MM wasn't the immediate first choice. You can only say "by far" if you have a point of comparison, and Mangini was the first to audition, so that comment can't have been about him. It was very likely about Marco.

Hard to say.  That comment to me has always been a bit enigmatic.  That clip is certainly edited to imply that James was completely gaga over Marco in general, but at the end of the day, all we have is an isolated comment out of context that was cleverly edited into the footage to create a certain appearance that may or may not have been true.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on May 15, 2015, 09:13:21 AM
So how many months have they been in studio now? Right around 4 months right? If it's an early fall release they must be getting
close to wrapping this baby up soon.

So how many months have they been in studio now? Right around 4 months right? If it's an early fall release they must be getting
close to wrapping this baby up :soon:.

Fixed  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 15, 2015, 09:16:24 AM
Just watching the videos again, I think this comment by JLB ("That was the most incredible ... by far!")

https://youtu.be/L609JsPFmmI?t=1214

also corroborates that MM wasn't the immediate first choice. You can only say "by far" if you have a point of comparison, and Mangini was the first to audition, so that comment can't have been about him. It was very likely about Marco.

Hard to say.  That comment to me has always been a bit enigmatic.  That clip is certainly edited to imply that James was completely gaga over Marco in general, but at the end of the day, all we have is an isolated comment out of context that was cleverly edited into the footage to create a certain appearance that may or may not have been true.

Oh, of course, there is only limited conclusions you can draw from that quote. But it definitely indicates that there was a drummer JLB considered to be far superior to the ones he had seen to that point. MM was the first, so it can not have been about him. And in the same token, MM was included in that comparison.

EDIT: Mind you, I am absolutely convinced DT made the right decision in the end.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 15, 2015, 09:30:24 AM
Just watching the videos again, I think this comment by JLB ("That was the most incredible ... by far!")

https://youtu.be/L609JsPFmmI?t=1214

also corroborates that MM wasn't the immediate first choice. You can only say "by far" if you have a point of comparison, and Mangini was the first to audition, so that comment can't have been about him. It was very likely about Marco.

Hard to say.  That comment to me has always been a bit enigmatic.  That clip is certainly edited to imply that James was completely gaga over Marco in general, but at the end of the day, all we have is an isolated comment out of context that was cleverly edited into the footage to create a certain appearance that may or may not have been true.

Oh, of course, there is only limited conclusions you can draw from that quote. But it definitely indicates that there was a drummer JLB considered to be far superior to the ones he had seen to that point. MM was the first, so it can not have been about him. And in the same token, MM was included in that comparison.

But see, the part that I bolded is what gives me pause.  The footage is edited to imply that that is the case.  And he is definitely talking about Marco.  But we do not know what about Marco he is saying that about.  For all we know, the entire comment could have been something like, "I didn't really care for his interpretation of the material as a whole, and I'm not sure he would be a great fit...but MAN!  The ending fill he did on The Dance of Eternity...  That was the most incredible by far!"  Or it could have been his response to an interview question.  Or it could have been anything for that matter. 

Believe me, I'm not trying to minimize his playing or anything.  But it's just that the documentary was, again, meant to convey the auditions in a particular light, and with a dramatic "reality show" kind of flair.  So not everything may have unfolded exactly how the editing of the footage might tend to imply.  And, no, I don't have any inside knowledge, in case anyone is wondering.  It's just that that comment has always been a bit interesting to me because it could potentially mean a lot of different things other than what the editing would suggest. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 15, 2015, 09:37:28 AM
He could have been talking about the ensemble he wore that day.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 15, 2015, 09:37:50 AM
I agree with bosky. Out of context, we don't know what "that" was. Did he mean the whole audition? Did he mean just the jam session? Did he mean just the performance of one of the songs? Did he mean one little nuance? We don't know. It was a typical "reality TV" edit, where they edit it to tell the story they want to tell to the viewer, even if it requires some manipulation.

He may have meant the entire audition, although to say it was by far the best makes that seem less likely to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 15, 2015, 10:15:31 AM
I agree with bosky. Out of context, we don't know what "that" was. Did he mean the whole audition? Did he mean just the jam session? Did he mean just the performance of one of the songs? Did he mean one little nuance? We don't know. It was a typical "reality TV" edit, where they edit it to tell the story they want to tell to the viewer, even if it requires some manipulation.

My conservative guess is that he referred to a subsection of the audition, be that the jams, or songs. Somebody must have come out with flying colors.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 15, 2015, 10:19:19 AM
I agree with bosky. Out of context, we don't know what "that" was. Did he mean the whole audition? Did he mean just the jam session? Did he mean just the performance of one of the songs? Did he mean one little nuance? We don't know. It was a typical "reality TV" edit, where they edit it to tell the story they want to tell to the viewer, even if it requires some manipulation.

My conservative guess is that he referred to a subsection of the audition, be that the jams, or songs. Somebody must have come out with flying colors.

If it was referring to Minnemann, I'd say it was the jam, which I recall he sounded great on. Mangini nailed the DT song performance section, so I doubt they would have said anyone else's performance was the best by far.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 15, 2015, 10:21:50 AM
Yeah, that's what I'm guessing. They were drooling so much over Marco in the documentary, and none of the other guys (except MM) so much, I can really only attribute that comment to one of Marco's performances.
And yeah, the way MM made it sound in the documentary when he gets told, it must have been a *long* time between auditions and them telling him.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 15, 2015, 11:03:14 AM
Its been a while since Ive watch the audition doc but I always took James statement as being impressed by the blast beats.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 15, 2015, 02:03:38 PM
It's gonna get confusing using MM for both.

How about :

• MiMa for one.

&

• MaMi for the other.

Less confusing. ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 16, 2015, 09:08:20 AM
k KoBy
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 16, 2015, 09:22:07 AM
Min & Man
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Thoughtspart3 on May 16, 2015, 07:35:01 PM
Man.  The silence about the album is starting to get to me.  I usually don't get that worked up about it but I am wondering what is going on. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dave_Manchester on May 16, 2015, 08:39:50 PM
I on the other hand am loving the silence the longer it goes on.

3 and a half months in the studio already and not a word about what they're doing in there. I'm among Portnoy's biggest fans but even I grew tired of the "this new album is Pink Floyd meets Black Sabbath meets The Supremes meets late Beethoven string quartets meets The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band" nonsense. I think it's great (and, in this age of social media, actually pretty original) that the band are giving no hint about what they're up to. Long may this continue, right up to the announcement of the album itself.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jammindude on May 16, 2015, 08:47:15 PM
I on the other hand am loving the silence the longer it goes on.

3 and a half months in the studio already and not a word about what they're doing in there. I'm among Portnoy's biggest fans but even I grew tired of the "this new album is Pink Floyd meets Black Sabbath meets The Supremes meets late Beethoven string quartets meets The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band" nonsense. I think it's great (and, in this age of social media, actually pretty original) that the band are giving no hint about what they're up to. Long may this continue, right up to the announcement of the album itself.

..........so that we can start bitching about the cover!!!   :angel:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Thoughtspart3 on May 16, 2015, 10:18:20 PM
Don't get me wrong.  I like the silence too.  I guess their strategy is working.  It is got me checking every few days for the big reveal.

Does anyone know if they are actually still in the studio?  It looks like Jordon has been doing some other things although he seems to be saying he is taking a break from the studio.

 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on May 17, 2015, 02:37:10 AM
I on the other hand am loving the silence the longer it goes on.

3 and a half months in the studio already and not a word about what they're doing in there. I'm among Portnoy's biggest fans but even I grew tired of the "this new album is Pink Floyd meets Black Sabbath meets The Supremes meets late Beethoven string quartets meets The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band" nonsense. I think it's great (and, in this age of social media, actually pretty original) that the band are giving no hint about what they're up to. Long may this continue, right up to the announcement of the album itself.

..........so that we can start bitching about the cover!!!   :angel:

If it's done by Syme, let's make a competition who will find the first watermark or weird cutting. :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 17, 2015, 04:34:53 AM
The artwork for the new album has been revealed, as well as the name:
(https://i57.tinypic.com/n2eloo.png)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on May 17, 2015, 04:36:48 AM
Seems legit. No watermark or weird cutting though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on May 17, 2015, 05:14:41 AM
No watermark or weird cutting though.

Then it's not legit :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 17, 2015, 07:27:47 AM
The authenticity burns.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 17, 2015, 08:43:20 AM
The authenticity burns.
:lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 17, 2015, 09:31:00 AM

Does anyone know if they are actually still in the studio?  It looks like Jordon has been doing some other things although he seems to be saying he is taking a break from the studio.

Someone is.....

(https://i50.tinypic.com/v5y6bt.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on May 17, 2015, 09:33:03 AM
:lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: James Mypetgiress on May 17, 2015, 09:34:02 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Octavarious on May 17, 2015, 11:55:42 AM
Thinking loud:
If they will start their European Festival Tour end of June, wouldn't they need a bit to  agree on setlist and rehearsal? Moreover, wouldn't they release the new single just before touring - like they did in 2011?
That's why it's possible they will soon end recording in studio and start preparing... If I' right we may know something soon...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 17, 2015, 12:00:37 PM
Thinking loud:
If they will start their European Festival Tour end of June, wouldn't they need a bit to  agree on setlist and rehearsal? Moreover, wouldn't they release the new single just before touring - like they did in 2011?
That's why it's possible they will soon end recording in studio and start preparing... If I' right we may know something soon...

Yes. And sometimes the first single is finished first so they can release it - then they finish mixing the rest of the album later.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on May 17, 2015, 06:55:33 PM
Darn...I go out of town for a week, and come back to find 4 unread pages in this thread.  Still nothing.

But this silence is making me even more excited about it!  I can't wait!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 17, 2015, 09:13:28 PM
Thinking loud:
If they will start their European Festival Tour end of June, wouldn't they need a bit to  agree on setlist and rehearsal? Moreover, wouldn't they release the new single just before touring - like they did in 2011?
That's why it's possible they will soon end recording in studio and start preparing... If I' right we may know something soon...
Yes. And sometimes the first single is finished first so they can release it - then they finish mixing the rest of the album later.
Perhaps, but I don't recall DT ever doing this previously. So while it's possible that they could, it's highly unlikely given their previous track record. I'm expecting they'll probably hold off on premiering any new material until after the album itself is released after this summer run of shows, just as they did with the Escape from the Studio tour in 2003, and by extension, the G3 tour in 2001.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BRGM on May 18, 2015, 04:41:35 AM
The did the same thing with AROP 2009.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 18, 2015, 10:53:34 AM
Update: Mike Mangini is participating in a golf game.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Jaq on May 18, 2015, 11:00:24 AM
I on the other hand am loving the silence the longer it goes on.

3 and a half months in the studio already and not a word about what they're doing in there. I'm among Portnoy's biggest fans but even I grew tired of the "this new album is Pink Floyd meets Black Sabbath meets The Supremes meets late Beethoven string quartets meets The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band" nonsense. I think it's great (and, in this age of social media, actually pretty original) that the band are giving no hint about what they're up to. Long may this continue, right up to the announcement of the album itself.

As I said elsewhere in this thread, this is how bands used to do it all the time, before social media demanded constant studio updates and videos from the studio and posts about the content. Not particularly novel at all, just how bands did things.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 18, 2015, 11:08:28 AM
The point of listening to music is the music and I've never been as intrigued about the musical direction of a Dream Theater album.  I think their approach has a logic to it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on May 18, 2015, 11:24:07 AM
Opeth didn't post any studio updates for their last two records either. This kind of silence is atypical for DT, but as long as the resulting music is good I don't mind.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 18, 2015, 02:23:51 PM
The did the same thing with AROP 2009.
Yes, but the whole album was already mixed and mastered, and was actually released during that first leg of the tour. So it wasn't like what Kotowboy was suggesting - completing one track in time for the tour for public release, and then finishing off the rest of the album after the tour ends.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Darkstarshades on May 18, 2015, 05:52:41 PM
New album will have an epic titled "My observational point of view" lyrics by Labrie.
It will last around 38 minutes.
One part will be titled "Pull my chicken"
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 18, 2015, 07:11:13 PM
I guess JP's new videos of him playing with his new gear isn't exactly quenching anyone's thirst.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 18, 2015, 08:32:16 PM
Was just watching that video. Very nice guitar for sure. Was kinda wishing halfway through that he played with a less hot sound. All those nuances he talks about get buried once he goes into distortion.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 18, 2015, 08:48:09 PM
May 23.

https://www.facebook.com/golfrocks.net

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 19, 2015, 03:23:38 AM
No, the beard is offputting to me. Alsol, I keep waiting for him to go into 'There, you see? I just played 23.000 notes in three seconds. Now YOU do it'.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2015, 07:52:19 AM
New album will have an epic titled "My observational point of view" lyrics by Labrie.
It will last around 38 minutes.
One part will be titled "Pull my chicken"

Choke My Finger ( Pull Me Under pt. 2 )
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: theaterdream on May 21, 2015, 09:26:40 AM
I have to admit I kind of like not getting lots of updates on an albums progress, but little bits of information every once and a while would be cool. I'm starting to wonder what surprises the guys might have in store for us. Does anyone think they might be cooking up a double album? Writing that much music would I'm sure take up a lot more time which could explain why we aren't hearing much or maybe it is as simple as them wanting to wait until its near complete.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ErHaO on May 21, 2015, 10:36:20 AM
I wonder if they will do something special for their 30th anniversary. Not expecting a new dvd/show this year, but given their site has a 30th anniversary logo and the fb page tying with the forum, I am expecting them to at least celebrate it to a certain extent aside from a regular new album. Rarities? Documentary? Rerecorded version (s) of some old stuff? A song/songs revisiting old material/concept? I like all that stuff, so I hope so  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fischermasamune on May 21, 2015, 10:36:37 AM
Well, if they started on February and had all the pauses they seemed to have (MM for example had time to plow snow, do a minitour in Europe and play golf), I wouldn't expect it done in May, even if it's a one-disc album (probably is).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 21, 2015, 11:01:28 AM
I wonder if they will do something special for their 30th anniversary. Not expecting a new dvd/show this year, but given their site has a 30th anniversary logo and the fb page tying with the forum, I am expecting them to at least celebrate it to a certain extent aside from a regular new album. Rarities? Documentary? Rerecorded version (s) of some old stuff? A song/songs revisiting old material/concept? I like all that stuff, so I hope so  ;D

Bolded what I'm hoping for. I'd love for them to rerecord the Majesty demos in the studio with James. 30th Anniversary Majesty EP. Put it as a second/bonus disc for the new album. And then a third disc for a doc of the making of both the new album and EP.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on May 21, 2015, 12:47:28 PM
I wonder if they will do something special for their 30th anniversary. Not expecting a new dvd/show this year, but given their site has a 30th anniversary logo and the fb page tying with the forum, I am expecting them to at least celebrate it to a certain extent aside from a regular new album. Rarities? Documentary? Rerecorded version (s) of some old stuff? A song/songs revisiting old material/concept? I like all that stuff, so I hope so  ;D

Bolded what I'm hoping for. I'd love for them to rerecord the Majesty demos in the studio with James. 30th Anniversary Majesty EP. Put it as a second/bonus disc for the new album. And then a third disc for a doc of the making of both the new album and EP.

I'm not sure I'm prepared to discuss the nuances of what I'm about to say (the "how's" and "why's") but first reaction is that I don't want that if Portnoy is not involved. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 21, 2015, 01:13:06 PM
I don't think I will ever understand this desire of some people for DT to rerecord stuff. I mean, what should even be rerecorded? Frankly, the only stuff maybe worth rerecording is WDADU and DT13.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on May 21, 2015, 01:22:38 PM
I don't think I will ever understand this desire of some people for DT to rerecord stuff. I mean, what should even be rerecorded? Frankly, the only stuff maybe worth rerecording is WDADU and DT13.

Plus, what's on the Majesty demo is not good. What would be the point?

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ErHaO on May 21, 2015, 01:24:33 PM
I wonder if they will do something special for their 30th anniversary. Not expecting a new dvd/show this year, but given their site has a 30th anniversary logo and the fb page tying with the forum, I am expecting them to at least celebrate it to a certain extent aside from a regular new album. Rarities? Documentary? Rerecorded version (s) of some old stuff? A song/songs revisiting old material/concept? I like all that stuff, so I hope so  ;D

Bolded what I'm hoping for. I'd love for them to rerecord the Majesty demos in the studio with James. 30th Anniversary Majesty EP. Put it as a second/bonus disc for the new album. And then a third disc for a doc of the making of both the new album and EP.

I'm not sure I'm prepared to discuss the nuances of what I'm about to say (the "how's" and "why's") but first reaction is that I don't want that if Portnoy is not involved.

Like I always say to these opinions, the originals are always there for you to enjoy and it does not take away from the new material that is coming. And also, regardless of the quality of the rerecorded stuff, there are often some additional benefits. Examples of this would be Iced Earth revisiting Dante's Inferno for an epic comeback of this fan-favourite at their setlists, Sonata Arctica rerecording Ecliptica to revitalise live renditions and even make a whole tour around it and Blind Guardian remixing all their old stuff led them to the concept and tone of their latest album (which the people on this forum clearly did not like, heh).

Also, I honestly do not see why pro-recorded LALP/BtFW of pre-Mangini material are okay and them doing a retake in the studio with a new line-up would be a problem. Live or not, good music is good music. And the old good music is still there (alltough in this case I never listen to those old demo's). And I think Labrie has much to add to those old demo's.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: countoftuscany42 on May 21, 2015, 01:29:46 PM
prediction!  they're holding off on releasing the album until next year so it comes out for their 31st anniversary, and it'll be titled 3113, because What Would Rush Do  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jammindude on May 21, 2015, 01:32:13 PM
I don't know if a straight up re-record would work.    But Haken certainly proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that it can be a very cool idea to take those old ideas and bring them into the studio as if they were just that....unfinished ideas.   Then completely base a whole new writing session around them.   Have all new members contribute their "tweaks" and write entirely new material based on the old ideas. 

A completely re-written A Vision would be totally badass.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 21, 2015, 01:33:04 PM
prediction!  they're holding off on releasing the album until next year so it comes out for their 31st anniversary, and it'll be titled 3113, because What Would Rush Do  :biggrin:

That's clever, but...well, actually, it's not.  I was just trying to be generous.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on May 21, 2015, 01:37:28 PM
The "why" of re-recording WDaDU for me is easy. Sonic quality. Love the album to death but hate the sound. I would LOVE to get
a modern day studio version of WDaDU with JLB but I'm 100% certain it will never happen.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 21, 2015, 01:46:09 PM
I don't know. Some stuff on WDADU really only works with Charlie. I honestly don't think you could get anything much better than what WDADRU already is anyway.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 21, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
I'm not sure I'm prepared to discuss the nuances of what I'm about to say (the "how's" and "why's") but first reaction is that I don't want that if Portnoy is not involved.

I understand and somewhat agree. I had this idea back when he was in the band, and the desire has not gone away just because he left.

I don't think I will ever understand this desire of some people for DT to rerecord stuff. I mean, what should even be rerecorded? Frankly, the only stuff maybe worth rerecording is WDADU and DT13.

Well, the Majesty demo isn't really available to the masses. You really have to be searching for it. Most DT fans that don't come to sites like this may not even know what the Majesty Demo is, and it would be a good way of teaching fans about the history of the band and bring new life to the songs.

Plus, what's on the Majesty demo is not good. What would be the point?

B.Lee

I disagree with your opinion. I really enjoy most of the demos, especially Another Won & A Vision. I would love to hear LaBrie on these. And I'll go out on a limb and say I'm not the only one.

The "why" of re-recording WDaDU for me is easy. Sonic quality. Love the album to death but hate the sound. I would LOVE to get
a modern day studio version of WDaDU with JLB but I'm 100% certain it will never happen.

Probably not, but that's because they kind of already did that with the Reunite show. But they haven't touched four out of six of the Majesty songs in 28 years. It would be really fun to hear them dusted off.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: paulstfu on May 21, 2015, 02:17:25 PM

A completely re-written A Vision would be totally badass.

You read my mind. Amazing song, needs to return from the afterlife.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 21, 2015, 03:01:54 PM

 needs to return from the afterlife

Speaking of which, I'd like to see that song rerecorded :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on May 21, 2015, 03:08:21 PM

A completely re-written A Vision would be totally badass.

You read my mind. Amazing song, needs to return from the afterlife.  :metal

+1  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2015, 04:28:50 PM

 needs to return from the afterlife

Speaking of which, I'd like to see that song rerecorded :)

It's perfectly fine on Score and WDARDU.  I don't understand the want for the re-record of WDADU.  They did the entire album live and it's a solid rendition of it, plus most of the other tracks are on other live releases.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 21, 2015, 04:31:18 PM
I agree.  There was a time when a re-record of WDADU would have been a good thing.  But that has long since passed now that we have WDADRU and lots of other live versions of most of the songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 21, 2015, 04:46:10 PM
Plus, in the commentary of WDADRU, the band explicitly states that they had no interest in going into the studio to re-record the album, but a live rendition had an appeal.  It takes a lot time, energy and MONEY to reserve the studio, work out the pre-production sounds and skillfully record the session. For that amount of work, I can understand why the band would only want to concentrate on new material in a studio setting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: PetFish on May 21, 2015, 04:55:37 PM
I agree.  There was a time when a re-record of WDADU would have been a good thing.  But that has long since passed now that we have WDADRU and lots of other live versions of most of the songs.

We have a lot of great, easy-to-find, live versions of Afterlife, Only A Matter of Time, and The Killing Hand and the rest are on the official bootleg.  If Dream Theater hadn't done the special official bootleg version, and all we had were crappy bootlegs, then MAYBE I can see still wanting these re-recorded in-studio, but the recording of that show was done properly and sounds phenomenal and that should be the end of it.

The only old stuff I'd be interested in at this point, especially considering how awesome Another Won was live, would be the stuff that has yet to be "modernized", but as for When Dream and Day Unite... stick a fork in it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 21, 2015, 05:13:40 PM
Four straight posts trying to crush my dreams xD I'm smart enough to know that it isn't viable, but that doesn't mean I don't want it. Oh well, maybe in 4 years.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 21, 2015, 05:18:18 PM
Once MP is back in the band and they recorded Metropolis Pt. III.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Another_Won on May 21, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
Four straight posts trying to crush my dreams xD I'm smart enough to know that it isn't viable, but that doesn't mean I don't want it. Oh well, maybe in 4 years.
Have you listened to WDADR?  It's good.  Should satisfy any desire for a remake.  At least IMHO.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 21, 2015, 06:24:26 PM

Have you listened to WDADR?  It's good.  Should satisfy any desire for a remake.  At least IMHO.

I think it's great :) It's just a different kind of great, because it's live. Meh, I feel like I'm digging my hole even deeper by replying :D

In other news, anyone see JP's latest Facebook post? That Amethyst Quilt Top is absolutely beautiful.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 21, 2015, 06:37:17 PM
Once MP is back in the band and they recorded Metropolis Pt. III.

Ain't gonna happen...Prophets of War Pt. II is in the plans though. True story!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 21, 2015, 07:44:16 PM
I agree that Another Won sounded great on Score (and the other live shows where it was performed).  I've always felt that it had all the trademark components of a DT song, and with the current lineup, these songs would be greatly served from contemporary guitar rig, a modest vocal interpretation, and proper mix in a live setting.  More Majesty songs for the 30th anniversary tour, please.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: GasparXR on May 21, 2015, 08:07:25 PM

Have you listened to WDADR?  It's good.  Should satisfy any desire for a remake.  At least IMHO.

I think it's great :) It's just a different kind of great, because it's live. Meh, I feel like I'm digging my hole even deeper by replying :D

In other news, anyone see JP's latest Facebook post? That Amethyst Quilt Top is absolutely beautiful.

If he's actually using that baritone on tour like it says in that FB post, that probably means they're planning on playing Blind Faith, These Walls, Panic Attack, or Wither! :o Unless there's a new single that uses it and that's what's being played.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 21, 2015, 08:55:57 PM

Have you listened to WDADR?  It's good.  Should satisfy any desire for a remake.  At least IMHO.

I think it's great :) It's just a different kind of great, because it's live. Meh, I feel like I'm digging my hole even deeper by replying :D

In other news, anyone see JP's latest Facebook post? That Amethyst Quilt Top is absolutely beautiful.

If he's actually using that baritone on tour like it says in that FB post, that probably means they're planning on playing Blind Faith, These Walls, Panic Attack, or Wither! :o Unless there's a new single that uses it and that's what's being played.

Panic Attack please (and keep playing it for the next U.S. tour).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 21, 2015, 09:10:02 PM
Update: Mike Mangini is participating in a golf game.
That sounds exciting as hell.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 22, 2015, 02:19:07 AM
Plus, in the commentary of WDADRU, the band explicitly states that they had no interest in going into the studio to re-record the album, but a live rendition had an appeal.  It takes a lot time, energy and MONEY to reserve the studio, work out the pre-production sounds and skillfully record the session. For that amount of work, I can understand why the band would only want to concentrate on new material in a studio setting.

If people can record albums in their bedrooms these days - you'd think DT would have their own studio by now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Prog Snob on May 22, 2015, 05:26:04 AM
I don't think we're ever going to see a re-recording of WDADU and the Majesty Demos without MP in the band. He said it was hard enough to convince the guys to do the WDADRU show.  I believe his comment on the commentary was that they would do it if he stopped asking about the Majesty Demos.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ErHaO on May 22, 2015, 06:43:04 AM
I don't think we're ever going to see a re-recording of WDADU and the Majesty Demos without MP in the band. He said it was hard enough to convince the guys to do the WDADRU show.  I believe his comment on the commentary was that they would do it if he stopped asking about the Majesty Demos.

I agree that it is very unlikely.

But I was just listing some stuff that I think would be cool. And I am not wishing them to release an entire rerecorded record or something, but a bonustrack or some neat (instrumental) medley covering 30 years of trademark material. And that is the kind of stuff Portnoy always seemed to push (covers, remakes, Ystejam stuff, medleys, documentaries, recurring concepts between albums etc.).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on May 22, 2015, 07:01:34 AM
Well, the Majesty demo isn't really available to the masses. You really have to be searching for it. Most DT fans that don't come to sites like this may not even know what the Majesty Demo is, and it would be a good way of teaching fans about the history of the band and bring new life to the songs.

Respectfully, I don't understand this.   Notwithstanding that the "masses" aren't interested in it, either in it's original form or rerecorded, if a DT fan wants the Majesty Demo, they can have it.  It is available right now, officially, for $15.00 if I'm not mistaken (it might be out of stock, but the point is it was made available).

Even if you are right, why would a fan who is too casual to know about the Majesty Demos originally then care about them rereleased?   They'd still have to "search them out", no?   None of the "re-recordings" have ever been released by their "main label"; even WDADR was a Ytsejam release (which is where the Majesty Demos were re-released) so I don't understand the conundrum. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on May 22, 2015, 07:59:42 AM
Well, the Majesty demo isn't really available to the masses. You really have to be searching for it. Most DT fans that don't come to sites like this may not even know what the Majesty Demo is, and it would be a good way of teaching fans about the history of the band and bring new life to the songs.

Respectfully, I don't understand this.   Notwithstanding that the "masses" aren't interested in it, either in it's original form or rerecorded, if a DT fan wants the Majesty Demo, they can have it.  It is available right now, officially, for $15.00 if I'm not mistaken (it might be out of stock, but the point is it was made available).

Even if you are right, why would a fan who is too casual to know about the Majesty Demos originally then care about them rereleased?   They'd still have to "search them out", no?   None of the "re-recordings" have ever been released by their "main label"; even WDADR was a Ytsejam release (which is where the Majesty Demos were re-released) so I don't understand the conundrum.

Agree with Stadler.

Also, I highly doubt that they would go back and re-record MP material with Mangini on drums. It seems DT is staying away from anything MP related. I was quite surprised they played The Shattered Fortress since it's a more personal MP track. Would of loved to hear Home though instead of that one on BTFW.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on May 22, 2015, 08:30:26 AM
Well, the Majesty demo isn't really available to the masses. You really have to be searching for it. Most DT fans that don't come to sites like this may not even know what the Majesty Demo is, and it would be a good way of teaching fans about the history of the band and bring new life to the songs.

Respectfully, I don't understand this.   Notwithstanding that the "masses" aren't interested in it, either in it's original form or rerecorded, if a DT fan wants the Majesty Demo, they can have it.  It is available right now, officially, for $15.00 if I'm not mistaken (it might be out of stock, but the point is it was made available).

Even if you are right, why would a fan who is too casual to know about the Majesty Demos originally then care about them rereleased?   They'd still have to "search them out", no?   None of the "re-recordings" have ever been released by their "main label"; even WDADR was a Ytsejam release (which is where the Majesty Demos were re-released) so I don't understand the conundrum.

Agree with Stadler.

Also, I highly doubt that they would go back and re-record MP material with Mangini on drums. It seems DT is staying away from anything MP related. I was quite surprised they played The Shattered Fortress since it's a more personal MP track. Would of loved to hear Home though instead of that one on BTFW.

Then clearly they arent staying away from anything MP related.  That statement is very much false, they just aren't running the band the same way MP did such as the idea of doing all of WDADU in concert, but they aren't hiding from anything that MP contributed to the band.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 22, 2015, 08:53:28 AM
clearly they arent staying away from anything MP related.  That statement is very much false, they just aren't running the band the same way MP did such as the idea of doing all of WDADU in concert, but they aren't hiding from anything that MP contributed to the band.

This.  Not sure where that is even coming from.  That said, doing a re-recording of material that only two of the existing 5 bandmembers participated in and original performed on seems silly.  Not that they wouldn't dig something up for a live show, but that's different from doing a re-recording.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 22, 2015, 08:54:55 AM
To say that the commercial appeal of DT re-recording old stuff, especially the Majesty demos (shudder), is LIMITED at best, is to be generous.

I can think of no reason under the sun for them to go into a studio and re-record anything.  They clearly don't want to do it, and only a handful of people would spend money on it.

Make new music and get out on the road and play.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on May 22, 2015, 09:01:47 AM
I'm pretty confident they will offer some really special options/bundles with this one. Not sure what but they appreciate the fans as much
as we appreciate them and this 30 year anniversary is a pretty big deal. We will know soon enough.

Journey provided a really nice package with Revelation even though the re-recorded songs were unnecessary IMO. But it was a good
value for the fans with a new album, live concert DVD and 11 studio songs re-recorded.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 22, 2015, 09:14:38 AM
Journey provided a really nice package with Revelation even though the re-recorded songs were unnecessary IMO. But it was a good
value for the fans with a new album, live concert DVD and 11 studio songs re-recorded.

That package really angered a lot of fans, actually.  A lot of people felt that re-recording the Perry-era songs with a different singer was incredibly disrespectful and unnecessary.  For me personally, I was more put off by the re-recording of Faith In The Heartland.  There was NO need to do that song at all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 22, 2015, 09:16:19 AM
Never any reason for that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on May 22, 2015, 09:21:21 AM
Yeah it was weird. I don't know what their thought process or motivation was. Didn't mean to derail the thread, I was just pointing out
that all in all you got a good value for your dollar when you bought that album and I think DT will have some offerings along that line.
Not necessarily anything re-recorded but good value for your dollar. Then again...I know Jack squat and it might be nothing special :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 22, 2015, 09:21:52 AM
Journey provided a really nice package with Revelation even though the re-recorded songs were unnecessary IMO. But it was a good
value for the fans with a new album, live concert DVD and 11 studio songs re-recorded.

That package really angered a lot of fans, actually.  A lot of people felt that re-recording the Perry-era songs with a different singer was incredibly disrespectful and unnecessary.  For me personally, I was more put off by the re-recording of Faith In The Heartland.  There was NO need to do that song at all.

I'm glad they did it, because that's what got me into the band. It's a win-win for new fans. It was a new album, and a "best of". And it makes obvious business sense for Frontiers to have their own recordings of those songs. It's not much different to releasing a live album of a new singer doing old songs, just better quality. Don't see the problem with it.
(I do prefer the original Faith in the Heartland despite the worse vocals btw, but I have no problem with them re-recording it either)

I don't see any motivation for DT to do such a thing though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on May 22, 2015, 11:03:57 AM
Journey provided a really nice package with Revelation even though the re-recorded songs were unnecessary IMO. But it was a good
value for the fans with a new album, live concert DVD and 11 studio songs re-recorded.

That package really angered a lot of fans, actually.  A lot of people felt that re-recording the Perry-era songs with a different singer was incredibly disrespectful and unnecessary.  For me personally, I was more put off by the re-recording of Faith In The Heartland.  There was NO need to do that song at all.

A lot of bands re-record songs because they don't own the rights to the song so if they do record an older song they can peddle that song for commercials and such.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on May 22, 2015, 11:05:56 AM
Def Leppard is doing the same thing (re-recording old songs) right now because of label issues.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 22, 2015, 11:07:19 AM
I can maybe see it for legal reasons like that.

But that's not why Journey did it.

And it's no reason for DT to do it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bl5150 on May 22, 2015, 11:10:17 AM

A lot of bands re-record songs because they don't own the rights to the song so if they do record an older song they can peddle that song for commercials and such.

Yep.

As far as the Journey album goes I don't know anyone who was bothered by it. For those who were interested in how Arnel would sound singing the classics (a preview of their live show perhaps) it was a great bonus - for those who weren't all that interested (me included) it just never got played and I enjoyed the new album.   Foreigner did similar sorts of things when Kelly Hansen joined.

I have no real desire to see DT do it though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on May 22, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
A lot of the bands from the 70's and 80's did that because the record companies were shysters and owned most to all of the songwriting credits.  More modern bands don't have to worry about that since record companies made themselves outdated.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on May 22, 2015, 12:59:14 PM
A lot of the bands from the 70's and 80's did that because the record companies were shysters and owned most to all of the songwriting credits.  More modern bands don't have to worry about that since record companies made themselves outdated.

Not to split hairs, but it wasn't the songwriting credits (and even then it would be the PUBLISHING, not the credit) as much as the masters and the rights to the actual performance.  There is, in some cases, issue as to the royalty rate on downloads.   On older contracts it is one rate, on newer it is another (presumably higher).   Def Leppard's instance was specifically because Universal wouldn't pay them more for downloads of material from prior to a certain date (I don't know what that date is).   
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 22, 2015, 01:01:51 PM
I don't think we're ever going to see a re-recording of WDADU and the Majesty Demos without MP in the band. He said it was hard enough to convince the guys to do the WDADRU show.  I believe his comment on the commentary was that they would do it if he stopped asking about the Majesty Demos.
Correct. Here's what he said in the interview I did with him at the end of the 2004 North American leg of the Evening With tour:
Quote

SH: Can we expect that with the other album anniversaries, that we’ll be seeing similar performances of those albums?

MP: No – I mean every year we could say it’s the anniversary of something. This year is the tenth anniversary of Awake, and we already celebrated the tenth anniversary of Images and Words. That’s not to say that special things like this won’t pop up from time to time, because anything is possible. But When Dream and Day Unite was a special anniversary, because that was something that everyone had always wanted to see performed with the current line-up. So it made sense to celebrate that.

SH: What about the Majesty demos in that case?

MP: <laughs> When I ran this idea by the band, and said “we’ll do Dream and Day complete,” it was delivered with the promise “Don’t worry, we’re not gonna do the Majesty demos in 2006!”

 
doing a re-recording of material that only two of the existing 5 bandmembers participated in and original performed on seems silly.  Not that they wouldn't dig something up for a live show, but that's different from doing a re-recording.
I disagree. Assuming it wouldn't simply be a re-recording without any changes (which I wouldn't want), it would allow the members who did not perform on those songs to put their stamp on them with their own style. Perfect example of that is ACoS. The song was completed in 1991 (if not sooner) but never recorded. Then when they finally were allowed to do it, they rewrote some of it and allowed Derek to put his spin on things in the keyboard department. Why shouldn't songs that have been officially released be rewritten and re-recorded by the current lineup, especially if they are obscure and/or the band dislikes the final product? I'm not saying that it should be a standalone release, but to provide it as a bonus CD in the deluxe package of the next album (so people can choose whether they want it or not) seems totally reasonable to me.
 
 
I can think of no reason under the sun for them to go into a studio and re-record anything.
As I said, it would be a selling point for a deluxe package, which I'm sure the band would be interested in, seeing as it is their means of supporting themselves financially.
 
 
Make new music and get out on the road and play.
Well, I think that's a given. Nobody's arguing that point. But that doesn't mean there isn't room to rewrite and re-record a handful of older tracks.
 
 
A lot of people felt that re-recording the Perry-era songs with a different singer was incredibly disrespectful and unnecessary.
I could be wrong because I haven't listened to that CD in years, but perhaps because they didn't really do anything new to the songs aside from have the current members play them? Had they done some new interpretations or changed things up more, would the Journey fans still have gotten that bent out of shape?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 22, 2015, 01:22:39 PM
Why shouldn't songs that have been officially released be rewritten and re-recorded by the current lineup, especially if they are obscure and/or the band dislikes the final product?

Because
doing a re-recording of material that only two of the existing 5 bandmembers participated in and original performed on seems silly. 

The ACOS example is different.  That was not previously released.  There is no point in re-doing material that has already been released and is out there for the public to get.


A lot of people felt that re-recording the Perry-era songs with a different singer was incredibly disrespectful and unnecessary.
I could be wrong because I haven't listened to that CD in years, but perhaps because they didn't really do anything new to the songs aside from have the current members play them? Had they done some new interpretations or changed things up more, would the Journey fans still have gotten that bent out of shape?

Hard to say.  I mean, I'm sure you would have had some people upset no matter what.  But it probably would have been less if they had done something other than simply remove Steve's vocals and replace them with Arnel's.  The problem is, aside from fan loyalty to Perry, Schon and Cain have shown themselves to be complete jerks at times, often toward former vocalists.  I think to many, this looked like a deliberate middle finger to Perry.  It wasn't like they came out and said, "Hey, we're doing this because we know we are picking up a lot of new fans, and it seemed to us like a bonus disk with a re-recorded greatest hits is a nice way to let the new fans who don't have all those old albums get free sampling of some of the songs that put us where we are."  (although even that would have rung a bit hollow since they already had at least two different hits packages available:  the Greatest Hits album and the much more comprehensive Time3)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 22, 2015, 01:24:03 PM
doing a re-recording of material that only two of the existing 5 bandmembers participated in and original performed on seems silly.  Not that they wouldn't dig something up for a live show, but that's different from doing a re-recording.
I disagree. Assuming it wouldn't simply be a re-recording without any changes (which I wouldn't want), it would allow the members who did not perform on those songs to put their stamp on them with their own style. Perfect example of that is ACoS. The song was completed in 1991 (if not sooner) but never recorded. Then when they finally were allowed to do it, they rewrote some of it and allowed Derek to put his spin on things in the keyboard department. Why shouldn't songs that have been officially released be rewritten and re-recorded by the current lineup, especially if they are obscure and/or the band dislikes the final product? I'm not saying that it should be a standalone release, but to provide it as a bonus CD in the deluxe package of the next album (so people can choose whether they want it or not) seems totally reasonable to me.
 
 
I can think of no reason under the sun for them to go into a studio and re-record anything.
As I said, it would be a selling point for a deluxe package, which I'm sure the band would be interested in, seeing as it is their means of supporting themselves financially.
 
 
Make new music and get out on the road and play.
Well, I think that's a given. Nobody's arguing that point. But that doesn't mean there isn't room to rewrite and re-record a handful of older tracks.

This is my point exactly. I didn't bring up re-recording the Majesty demos as a standalone release. Put it as a bonus disc with the new album. That way, the people that don't know the songs can learn them with the band as it is now. I see nothing wrong that. I'm sure Chris Collins would not give one  :censored if they rerecorded the demos. And as for KM and MP, they left the band, so who cares what they think?

If you don't think you'd like it, you don't need to buy the deluxe edition, and if you do end up buying it, you don't have to listen to it. I'll never understand the mentality of "I wouldn't like this, so it shouldn't exist." If I don't think I'd like something, I just stay away from it. This goes for music, video games, movies, whatever. I don't think I'm going to enjoy the new Star Wars, but it can exist. What the hell do I care? Someone else I'm sure will enjoy it.

That's really all I'm trying to say: I would enjoy a re-recorded version of the Majesty Demos, and I don't care if anyone else would.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 22, 2015, 01:38:43 PM
What I am saying is that the the audience that, like you, would really want something like a re-recording of the Majesty Demos is so small that the rest of us would be quite disappointed if THAT was the deluxe version extra.

Combine that with the fact that no one associated with the band outside of MP has every really shown much interest in those songs at all leads me to think it is a strange suggestion.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jammindude on May 22, 2015, 01:42:02 PM
What I am saying is that the the audience that, like you, would really want something like a re-recording of the Majesty Demos is so small that the rest of us would be quite disappointed if THAT was the deluxe version extra.

Combine that with the fact that no one associated with the band outside of MP has every really shown much interest in those songs at all leads me to think it is a strange suggestion.

Really?  After the success Haken had with Restoration?  You think Dream Theater fans wouldn't like something really similar?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 22, 2015, 01:43:02 PM
Glad I'm not a Haken fan so I can bow out of the conversation now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2015, 01:54:20 PM
What I am saying is that the the audience that, like you, would really want something like a re-recording of the Majesty Demos is so small that the rest of us would be quite disappointed if THAT was the deluxe version extra.

You think? I think that'd be a great choice for a deluxe edition. I'd rather have that than more covers.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 22, 2015, 02:00:01 PM
I think there's a world of difference between the Haken demos and the Majesty demos.

Also, as has been mentioned, it doesn't seem like any of the current members have any interest at all in redoing the demos. So there's that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 22, 2015, 02:12:36 PM
What I am saying is that the the audience that, like you, would really want something like a re-recording of the Majesty Demos is so small that the rest of us would be quite disappointed if THAT was the deluxe version extra.

Combine that with the fact that no one associated with the band outside of MP has every really shown much interest in those songs at all leads me to think it is a strange suggestion.

Really?  After the success Haken had with Restoration?  You think Dream Theater fans wouldn't like something really similar?
Apples and Oranges.  Haken is a relatively young band.  The songs they reworked aren't 30 years old.  And they were already pretty good.

The Majesty Demos just aren't very good to begin with. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jammindude on May 22, 2015, 02:13:32 PM
I think there's a world of difference between the Haken demos and the Majesty demos.


How?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jammindude on May 22, 2015, 02:18:07 PM
What I am saying is that the the audience that, like you, would really want something like a re-recording of the Majesty Demos is so small that the rest of us would be quite disappointed if THAT was the deluxe version extra.

Combine that with the fact that no one associated with the band outside of MP has every really shown much interest in those songs at all leads me to think it is a strange suggestion.

Really?  After the success Haken had with Restoration?  You think Dream Theater fans wouldn't like something really similar?
Apples and Oranges.  Haken is a relatively young band.  The songs they reworked aren't 30 years old.  And they were already pretty good.

The Majesty Demos just aren't very good to begin with.

Other than Haken being a younger band, I respectfully but totally disagree.   I think there are *A LOT* of DT fans who think that there are some great ideas in the Majesty Demos, but the quality of the recordings make them a little difficult to listen to.   A Vision in particular is fairly widely praised as being a pretty cool song.

Plus (as Haken did), you don't have to take every single idea.    Again....we're not talking about a straight up re-record.   Haken's idea was better.   Take the ideas and completely re-write them from the ground up with new member input.      I think Haken's demos were just like the Majesty demos.   Good ideas, but poor sound quality and a relatively "unfinished" feel to them.    Restoration really breathed new life into the old ideas and I think the Majesty demos would benefit from the same treatment.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2015, 02:19:58 PM
I don't know, Hef. Another Won was spectacular on Score.

Also, as has been mentioned, it doesn't seem like any of the current members have any interest at all in redoing the demos. So there's that.

It ain't gonna happen, I get it, and that doesn't bother me at all. I was just saying that if they did do it for say a deluxe edition, I'd be all for it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 22, 2015, 02:29:12 PM
I think there's a world of difference between the Haken demos and the Majesty demos.


How?

Well to be blunt, because the Haken demos kinda.... don't suck.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 22, 2015, 02:39:42 PM
What I am saying is that the the audience that, like you, would really want something like a re-recording of the Majesty Demos is so small that the rest of us would be quite disappointed if THAT was the deluxe version extra.

Combine that with the fact that no one associated with the band outside of MP has every really shown much interest in those songs at all leads me to think it is a strange suggestion.

Really?  After the success Haken had with Restoration?  You think Dream Theater fans wouldn't like something really similar?
Apples and Oranges.  Haken is a relatively young band.  The songs they reworked aren't 30 years old.  And they were already pretty good.

The Majesty Demos just aren't very good to begin with.

Other than Haken being a younger band, I respectfully but totally disagree.   I think there are *A LOT* of DT fans who think that there are some great ideas in the Majesty Demos, but the quality of the recordings make them a little difficult to listen to.   A Vision in particular is fairly widely praised as being a pretty cool song.

Plus (as Haken did), you don't have to take every single idea.    Again....we're not talking about a straight up re-record.   Haken's idea was better.   Take the ideas and completely re-write them from the ground up with new member input.      I think Haken's demos were just like the Majesty demos.   Good ideas, but poor sound quality and a relatively "unfinished" feel to them.    Restoration really breathed new life into the old ideas and I think the Majesty demos would benefit from the same treatment.
I guess I think more of Haken's demos than you do.

I think it was a neat idea for a relatively young band to do.  I think it would be a little...I don't know, "pathetic" isn't the right word, but it isn't 100% wrong, either...for a band like DT.

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 22, 2015, 02:52:54 PM
Well to be blunt, because the Haken demos kinda.... don't suck.

I haven't heard them, but I am skeptical of this statement.  ...unless of course they are written and performed by some band other than Haken.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 22, 2015, 02:55:28 PM
Well to be blunt, because the Haken demos kinda.... don't suck.

I haven't heard them, but I am skeptical of this statement.  ...unless of course they are written and performed by some band other than Haken.
bosky, I am flabbergasted by your non-like of Haken.  They are an awesome band.

Although I could understand not liking the singer's voice.  I like it, but it's one of those voices that some people won't like.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 22, 2015, 03:11:05 PM
Well to be blunt, because the Haken demos kinda.... don't suck.

I haven't heard them, but I am skeptical of this statement.  ...unless of course they are written and performed by some band other than Haken.

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Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 22, 2015, 03:25:06 PM

Quote

SH: Can we expect that with the other album anniversaries, that we’ll be seeing similar performances of those albums?

MP: No – I mean every year we could say it’s the anniversary of something. This year is the tenth anniversary of Awake, and we already celebrated the tenth anniversary of Images and Words. That’s not to say that special things like this won’t pop up from time to time, because anything is possible. But When Dream and Day Unite was a special anniversary, because that was something that everyone had always wanted to see performed with the current line-up. So it made sense to celebrate that.

SH: What about the Majesty demos in that case?

MP: <laughs> When I ran this idea by the band, and said “we’ll do Dream and Day complete,” it was delivered with the promise “Don’t worry, we’re not gonna do the Majesty demos in 2006!”

 


But they DID play Another Won in 2005 and 2006, so anything is possible.  Plus, I recall JP commenting that now having performed the song that it still sounded like DT and fit fine in a live show.   Meaning, after hearing it with the current lineup, it wasn't so bad after all.  So I'm just hoping another Majesty track makes an appearance (even if a limited number of shows) for the 30th anniversary.   
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on May 22, 2015, 04:18:15 PM
Well to be blunt, because the Haken demos kinda.... don't suck.

I haven't heard them, but I am skeptical of this statement.  ...unless of course they are written and performed by some band other than Haken.

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Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 22, 2015, 04:37:53 PM
I guess I think more of Haken's demos than you do.

I think it was a neat idea for a relatively young band to do.  I think it would be a little...I don't know, "pathetic" isn't the right word, but it isn't 100% wrong, either...for a band like DT.
I get that it would be pathetic if DT redid the songs just as their next album. But as tracks on a bonus CD for a deluxe package, how does that come across as pathetic or anything related? I fail to see your logic.

And let's consider that some of the songs were never recorded completely - especially the 1987 demos. I think Cry For Freedom could be cool given a major update, as could The School Song, which never was even completed instrumentally, let alone lyrically.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on May 22, 2015, 04:58:14 PM
I think most of the time, demos that stayed just demos, stayed that way for a reason; they weren't that good in the first place.  Another Won was okay and had some nice moments, but everything on WDADU is better, and I'm not sure I'd want to see them waste time on demos from when they were 18 or 19, when they could likely write tons of better songs nowadays that they could play.  I get that some fans want to see every note they ever played end up on a live DVD somewhere, but most fans don't.  Like others have said, the number of fans who give two shits about the majesty demos is probably like 0.0001% of the fan base.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on May 22, 2015, 05:05:56 PM
Nothing from any of the DT demos or tracks that got cut from some of the albums comes close to any of the three tracks on Haken's 'Restoration'. I would say leave the DT demos to oblivion and work out some new stuff instead.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on May 22, 2015, 05:09:29 PM
Majesty Demos are better than a few DT albums IMO :D :lol:, i love old stuff <3.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jammindude on May 22, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
Nothing from any of the DT demos or tracks that got cut from some of the albums comes close to any of the three tracks on Haken's 'Restoration'. I would say leave the DT demos to oblivion and work out some new stuff instead.

Now THAT is apples and oranges....completely.   What do you think of the Majesty Demos compared to "Enter the 5th Dimension"?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 22, 2015, 06:22:10 PM
Nothing from any of the DT demos or tracks that got cut from some of the albums comes close to any of the three tracks on Haken's 'Restoration'. I would say leave the DT demos to oblivion and work out some new stuff instead.

Now THAT is apples and oranges....completely.   What do you think of the Majesty Demos compared to "Enter the 5th Dimension"?

If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good. The Majesty demos are pretty dated to be resurrected at this time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on May 22, 2015, 09:14:41 PM
I think there are *A LOT* of DT fans who think that there are some great ideas in the Majesty Demos, but the quality of the recordings make them a little difficult to listen to.   A Vision in particular is fairly widely praised as being a pretty cool song.

Plus (as Haken did), you don't have to take every single idea.    Again....we're not talking about a straight up re-record.   Haken's idea was better.   Take the ideas and completely re-write them from the ground up with new member input.      I think Haken's demos were just like the Majesty demos.   Good ideas, but poor sound quality and a relatively "unfinished" feel to them.    Restoration really breathed new life into the old ideas and I think the Majesty demos would benefit from the same treatment.

As far as demos go, I couldn't really expect the band to prioritize something like this. But I do believe a decent chunk of DTs fan base would completely dig that kind of thing. So if they ever did something like re-record some of the old majesty demos (or even WDADU) I hope I speak for large enough chunk of the fans to say that would be pretty damn cool. (I guess so long as it doesn't interfere with touring or current album studio time).

Maybe the reason this continually interests some people is because those majesty demos actually sound like they've got a lot of potential, and I don't think they're necessarily inferior to anything on say; WDADU. But their presentation is abysmal to the point that it brings the general quality and overall impression down. At least WDADU still has replay value as the quality is listenable despite being otherwise unimpressive sonically. Unlike Majesty demos which while interesting, aren't particularly pleasing to listen to it. As far as the compositions go, it might not be as 'mature' from a songwriting perspective but I would suggest that people would connect with the melodies and progressions a lot more over time (in the way that many DT songs tend to be 'growers') before dismissing them - if these tracks were properly produced. As they are, they're not very accessible to most listeners and require effort to appreciate. But relevant or not, either way these songs could definitely benefit from some remakes.  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on May 23, 2015, 12:29:56 AM
Nothing from any of the DT demos or tracks that got cut from some of the albums comes close to any of the three tracks on Haken's 'Restoration'. I would say leave the DT demos to oblivion and work out some new stuff instead.

Now THAT is apples and oranges....completely.   What do you think of the Majesty Demos compared to "Enter the 5th Dimension"?

I blame my drunkness.

Et5D is miles and miles better. If 'Cleaning Out the Closet' was included, then Speak to Me or Raise the Knife would perhaps get closer and maybe beat Manifest. But overall, Et5D is much better than any of DT's demos or cut songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on May 23, 2015, 02:22:48 AM
If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.

I disagree. The lack of harsh vocals is one of the issues I have with Restoration.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: erwinrafael on May 23, 2015, 03:29:35 AM
If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.

I disagree. The lack of harsh vocals is one of the issues I have with Restoration.

Really? You like the growling Ross Jennings? It's one element that I am happy they removed, which made me enjoy the Haken records after Aquarius.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on May 23, 2015, 04:41:45 AM
I'm all for diversity. Adding harsh vocals into the mix to make heavy passages even heavier is a nice.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2015, 04:55:22 AM
If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.

I disagree. The lack of harsh vocals is one of the issues I have with Restoration.

Really? You like the growling Ross Jennings? It's one element that I am happy they removed, which made me enjoy the Haken records after Aquarius.
Me too.

A key point in the discussion of the Majesty Demos is the fact that no one in the band has ever given a wet fart about them except MP, and he is gone.  Given how many times JP has mentioned wanting to move forward, it would seem to be a moot point.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 23, 2015, 09:20:13 AM
If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.

I disagree. The lack of harsh vocals is one of the issues I have with Restoration.

Really? You like the growling Ross Jennings? It's one element that I am happy they removed, which made me enjoy the Haken records after Aquarius.
Me too.

A key point in the discussion of the Majesty Demos is the fact that no one in the band has ever given a wet fart about them except MP, and he is gone.  Given how many times JP has mentioned wanting to move forward, it would seem to be a moot point.

I think the fact that the band played nothing off the demos except for a few times for nostalgic purposes (a few one off times and the 20th anniversary tour) proves that they don't think much of them. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 23, 2015, 09:44:24 AM
If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.

I disagree. The lack of harsh vocals is one of the issues I have with Restoration.

Really? You like the growling Ross Jennings? It's one element that I am happy they removed, which made me enjoy the Haken records after Aquarius.
Me too.

A key point in the discussion of the Majesty Demos is the fact that no one in the band has ever given a wet fart about them except MP, and he is gone.  Given how many times JP has mentioned wanting to move forward, it would seem to be a moot point.
Yeah. Including Another Won in Score was a great decision, but that's as far as it should get.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DP_Gumby on May 23, 2015, 10:12:39 AM
Do you guys think that they will ever produce a new album on a level equal to Awake or SFAM?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 23, 2015, 10:28:15 AM
Do you guys think that they will ever produce a new album on a level equal to Awake or SFAM?

Being on the same level as those two would imply that those two are my favorite, which they aren't :P It's subjective, but from my POV, absolutely. They're still more than capable of producing something that transcends their previous work, it's just about being in the right creative frame of mind.

Generally speaking, I don't think they'll ever make something as widely well-received as SFAM.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 23, 2015, 11:20:04 AM
Do you guys think that they will ever produce a new album on a level equal to Awake or SFAM?
Anything is possible, but I don't expect it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: DP_Gumby on May 23, 2015, 11:55:12 AM
Indeed, I think it's best to keep it to a "let's hope so"-level.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 23, 2015, 12:33:11 PM
If you remove the growling in Enter the 5th Dimension, the songs are actually pretty good.

I disagree. The lack of harsh vocals is one of the issues I have with Restoration.

Really? You like the growling Ross Jennings? It's one element that I am happy they removed, which made me enjoy the Haken records after Aquarius.
Me too.

A key point in the discussion of the Majesty Demos is the fact that no one in the band has ever given a wet fart about them except MP, and he is gone.  Given how many times JP has mentioned wanting to move forward, it would seem to be a moot point.
Yeah. Including Another Won in Score was a great decision, but that's as far as it should get.
Because you heard Another Won in that lineup and it sounded pretty darn cool?  Why not March of the Tyrant? or Too Far?  I bet those songs would work out better than people expect, or even kinda awesome.  Plus its a treat to the hardcore fans.  Plus its a humbling way of appreciating their own career.  30 years is a long time for a band to endure.  Whether we embrace it or not, those demos are a part of the fabric of the band.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ResultsMayVary on May 23, 2015, 01:28:24 PM
Based on the last few pages in this thread, we REALLY need DT to say something or show us something about the new album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mike099 on May 23, 2015, 03:06:37 PM
Based on the last few pages in this thread, we REALLY need DT to say something or show us something about the new album.

 :lol Yesterday I was going to post 52 pages of nothing, but did not want to come across as being negative.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on May 23, 2015, 03:09:30 PM
Based on the last few pages in this thread, we REALLY need DT to say something or show us something about the new album.

 :lol Yesterday I was going to post 52 pages of nothing, but did not want to come across as being negative.

How is that negative? I think we are really quite mild, actually. On the westeros.org forum they have spend so far 142 THREADS (30 pages each) on the discussion of one single theory/rumor (to the book/show fans, you know which one). Now, that's impressive bordering on concerning  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 23, 2015, 06:55:19 PM
I must assume that DT are following some grand master plan with this, since I really don't see this working on their favor.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on May 24, 2015, 01:35:12 AM
I must assume that DT are following some grand master plan with this, since I really don't see this working on their favor.

Hope so, too. On the other hand, it brings us back to a time when we didn't have any news and that the joy when having a new cd was all the more important. Hope the JR's comment "something we haven't done before" is true nonetheless.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 24, 2015, 02:06:39 AM
Triple album :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on May 24, 2015, 02:40:46 AM
I'm still hoping for a BluRay akin to Metallica's "St. Anger Rehearsals".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on May 24, 2015, 03:20:32 AM
Do you guys think that they will ever produce a new album on a level equal to Awake or SFAM?

Being on the same level as those two would imply that those two are my favorite, which they aren't :P It's subjective, but from my POV, absolutely. They're still more than capable of producing something that transcends their previous work, it's just about being in the right creative frame of mind.

Generally speaking, I don't think they'll ever make something as widely well-received as SFAM.
Indeed. Reaching the universal acclaim of Scenes again seems impossible, but I'll take DT12 over Awake any day.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 24, 2015, 09:04:00 AM
I'm still hoping for a BluRay akin to Metallica's "St. Anger Rehearsals".

Yes. i can't imagine it being very costly to film edit . Just the mass production of it. But it's Roadrunner. I'm sure they can afford it.

I want another Documentary like Chaos In Progress or something. ADTOE had the drummer doc but DT12 had nothing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 24, 2015, 10:45:03 AM
I think it's funny when people post some version of "I don't know why fans would want DT to rerecord X, it just isn't very good."

If there's enough people talking about it for you to make that post, then obviously people think it's good.  They want it re-recorded because the quality of the Majesty Demos and WDADU is pretty lackluster.  And they want to hear JLB sing the songs.  I know I'm explaining the obvious, but it seems like it's not understood.  I&W is over 20 years old but no one wants it re-recorded because the quality of the record is great.

Just speaking for myself, Another Won is one of the only things I really listen to off of Score, because it's a great recording of a cool song.  If they released a live version of, say, Two Far, I'd be all over that.  That song is great.

Also, people bring up WDADRU a lot.  It's not that great a product.  If the record's supposed to be the "definitive" re-recording, then why do I enjoy AFIL and TKH from LATM more?  Why do I enjoy Afterlife from Score more?  On WDADRU, JLB is very off (his throat injury isn't his fault, just stating my opinion) and the performances feel very loose.  I always want more when I hear it.  To its credit, OAMT is really good though.

This is all opinion and if you still disagree then whatever.  But I don't understand how people can be like "lol people who want DT to re-record their old material."  The desire comes from a genuine place.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Implode on May 24, 2015, 11:07:44 AM
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2rs3vze471rtcfaqo1_500.gif)

Hey.... I made that gif... Where'd you find it?

And also, this thread is the DT hiatus thread. We're going crazy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 24, 2015, 11:40:05 AM
I'm pretty sure I just googled something like "john eyeroll," and grabbed it from the Google Image results. Gotta be pretty careful with HS-related searches these days.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 24, 2015, 01:13:41 PM
I think it's funny when people post some version of "I don't know why fans would want DT to rerecord X, it just isn't very good."

If there's enough people talking about it for you to make that post, then obviously people think it's good.  They want it re-recorded because the quality of the Majesty Demos and WDADU is pretty lackluster.  And they want to hear JLB sing the songs.  I know I'm explaining the obvious, but it seems like it's not understood.  I&W is over 20 years old but no one wants it re-recorded because the quality of the record is great.

Just speaking for myself, Another Won is one of the only things I really listen to off of Score, because it's a great recording of a cool song.  If they released a live version of, say, Two Far, I'd be all over that.  That song is great.

Also, people bring up WDADRU a lot.  It's not that great a product.  If the record's supposed to be the "definitive" re-recording, then why do I enjoy AFIL and TKH from LATM more?  Why do I enjoy Afterlife from Score more?  On WDADRU, JLB is very off (his throat injury isn't his fault, just stating my opinion) and the performances feel very loose.  I always want more when I hear it.  To its credit, OAMT is really good though.

This is all opinion and if you still disagree then whatever.  But I don't understand how people can be like "lol people who want DT to re-record their old material."  The desire comes from a genuine place.

Thank you :) It's nice reading that after having my desire squashed by the all-knowing DTF veterans :P Speaking of desires...

Triple album :neverusethis:

OHGODYES
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 24, 2015, 01:20:20 PM
HEY EVERYONE !! IT'S TIME FOR :

" What Would Dream Theater name their 13th album if it was a triple concept album ? "



Metropolis Part III : Scenes From A Trilogy :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 24, 2015, 04:21:39 PM
HEY EVERYONE !! IT'S TIME FOR :

" What Would Dream Theater name their 13th album if it was a triple concept album ? "



Metropolis Part III : Scenes From A Trilogy :neverusethis:
Or, in the style of the most recent pages in this thread:

Metropolis part WDADU: Re-recordings from a Memory :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on May 24, 2015, 05:10:13 PM
Looks like I missed a lot of convo about rerecordings so I only one comment: Iced Earth. Perfect example of why you simply do not want to rerecord things just because you have a new lineup.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 24, 2015, 10:03:06 PM
Looks like I missed a lot of convo about rerecordings so I only one comment: Iced Earth. Perfect example of why you simply do not want to rerecord things just because you have a new lineup.
For those of us who don't follow Iced Earth at all, care to give us the Cliff-notes version of why they are an example of why it's best not to re-record tracks because of a new lineup?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 25, 2015, 01:44:49 AM
Can you imagine if Oasis re-formed without Noel and decided to re-record Definitely Maybe and Whats The Story Morning Glory with the new line up ?

I can't imagine those turning out very well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 25, 2015, 01:59:51 AM
Can you imagine if Oasis re-formed without Noel and decided to re-record Definitely Maybe and Whats The Story Morning Glory with the new line up ?

I can't imagine those turning out very well.

Well you can't polish a turd, as they say.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 25, 2015, 02:02:53 AM
I've never tried. However i did used to polish my CDs back in the day and I swore it made them sound clearer :lol

I didn't know about digital. I was coming from the cassette era where tapes fade over time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 25, 2015, 04:45:47 AM
Can you imagine if Oasis re-formed without Noel and decided to re-record Definitely Maybe and Whats The Story Morning Glory with the new line up ?

I can't imagine those turning out very well.

Well you can't polish a turd, as they say.
Another reason to leave the Majesty Demos in the past.

Having said that, obviously some people really like them.

My point isn't "Why would the people who like them want to see them re-recorded" but rather "Why would the band want to such a thing?"
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Viking of the Sagas on May 25, 2015, 07:26:57 AM
I'm very excited. Just thinking what they've come up with. Hopefully something exciting. Like Dream Theater feat. Toehider.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 25, 2015, 08:52:02 AM
Looks like I missed a lot of convo about rerecordings so I only one comment: Iced Earth. Perfect example of why you simply do not want to rerecord things just because you have a new lineup.
For those of us who don't follow Iced Earth at all, care to give us the Cliff-notes version of why they are an example of why it's best not to re-record tracks because of a new lineup?

I for one think what Iced Earth did was the right way to rerecord.  They released a "greatest hits" of sorts and added some tracks with new drums and vocals.  The originals still exist and are readily accessible if you want to find them.  In fact, you would need to try harder to find the Days of Purgatory collection with the rerecorded songs. 

Iced Earth didn't do full rerecordings though.  They only wanted to fix the elements that they thought were poorly done the first time.  The vocals, which I think were fine the first time, were definitely more raw.  The original vocalist didn't have any formal training and had a more raspy tone with little melody.  They rerecorded it with Barlow that had an excellent range and skilled voice. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 25, 2015, 09:24:12 AM
"Iced Earth wanted to redo the parts that were poorly done" ... so they did record the whole thing then?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: genome on May 25, 2015, 11:27:34 AM
This has probably already been posted as the video is 3 weeks old, but sounds like a new riff right at the end of this interview with JP (10:35).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao9JIdNXJ5Q

If it is, we're in for a heavy album...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on May 25, 2015, 11:47:03 AM
hmmm, why I think I have heard that riff also on some his other PR videos... I might be wrong though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 25, 2015, 11:52:46 AM
This has probably already been posted as the video is 3 weeks old, but sounds like a new riff right at the end of this interview with JP (10:35).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao9JIdNXJ5Q

If it is, we're in for a heavy album...

On a related note, DAYUM those are some juicy pinch harmonics.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on May 25, 2015, 12:01:50 PM
That's a good riff, but that sound is really... Not what I would call good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: GasparXR on May 25, 2015, 12:50:30 PM
This has probably already been posted as the video is 3 weeks old, but sounds like a new riff right at the end of this interview with JP (10:35).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao9JIdNXJ5Q

If it is, we're in for a heavy album...

I love that C tuning. I've been trying to learn some of DT's C-tuned songs lately (ITNOG, ANTR), and this gives me a little bit of hope that perhaps there's another long heavy epic coming. I wouldn't put too much stock into one riff, though :P It creates the opportunity to be let down.

On a related note, DAYUM those are some juicy pinch harmonics.

That's his seven-string in B actually, but you were very close! :P I do enjoy the C tuning though, especially at parts like the solos in ANTR, that tone is soo good!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 25, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
That's a good riff, but that sound is really... Not what I would call good.

Had the same reaction, totally. I wish he returned to his straightforward sound.

Totally random comment also, bummer he mispronounces piezo, given how he's been using it for the last 20 years or so.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 25, 2015, 02:39:57 PM


That's his seven-string in B actually, but you were very close! :P I do enjoy the C tuning though, especially at parts like the solos in ANTR, that tone is soo good!

I just realized that xD I had my guitar tuned to B and I forgot.. anywho... moving on xD
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 25, 2015, 10:25:01 PM
That's a good riff, but that sound is really... Not what I would call good.

Had the same reaction, totally. I wish he returned to his straightforward sound.

Totally random comment also, bummer he mispronounces piezo, given how he's been using it for the last 20 years or so.

Oh good, when I saw that I was wondering if I was mispronouncing it all this time, because I would expect that someone like JP would surely say it right.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 26, 2015, 03:21:37 AM
Especially since he's part Italian. :P

Every time I watch a guitar video and someone says " PIE - zoh " I squirm.

It's like " Noter Dame " or " N Rowt " or " Van Go "

:|


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLTQv8RH1TE
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Onno on May 26, 2015, 03:45:00 AM
Pronouncing Van Gogh as 'Van Go' makes me cringe everytime  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on May 26, 2015, 03:46:44 AM
Is it pronounced Van Goff?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 26, 2015, 03:49:47 AM
Is it pronounced Van Goff?

Apparently it's more gutteral than that like a clearing of the throat sound. Van Hocccchhhh . Like Klingon :p


Freedom Fries is the funniest one.

" :angry: You won't help us invade Iraq because you don't agree with our illegal war ? Well....wel'll call French Fries Freedom Fries from now on ! "

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 26, 2015, 07:51:14 AM
Yeah, the G is pronounced harsh. Goggggghhhh. Untill your throat bleeds...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 26, 2015, 09:21:22 AM
Especially since he's part Italian. :P

Well, it's a Greek word, but I know what you mean :lol
That said, I doubt he actually speaks any Italian. Other than a few culturally-inherited phrases and words.

Like Klingon :p

Funnily enough, Klingon's favorite dish, Gagh (https://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Gagh), gets very close in pronunciation to the word. Replace the "a" with an "o" sound, and you're there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Octavarious on May 26, 2015, 02:16:59 PM
Especially since he's part Italian. :P

Well, it's a Greek word, but I know what you mean :lol
That said, I doubt he actually speaks any Italian. Other than a few culturally-inherited phrases and words.
I think you are right. But I think he understands more than what he is able to articulate. This was my impression when I met him last year during the meet & greet here in Rome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on May 27, 2015, 03:56:22 AM
You tried some italian with him? You were brave, I was afraid of wasting the few seconds of chat we had after the last two shows in Italy babbling some nonsensical words in a language incomprehensible to him. Which is why I just babbled some nonsensical words in my best excuse for the English language.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 27, 2015, 01:00:21 PM
:rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Octavarious on May 27, 2015, 02:59:48 PM
You tried some italian with him? You were brave, I was afraid of wasting the few seconds of chat we had after the last two shows in Italy babbling some nonsensical words in a language incomprehensible to him. Which is why I just babbled some nonsensical words in my best excuse for the English language.
No, I talked in English with them, but other folks spoke in Italian to our 5 heroes (yes to JMX too but anyway his expression wouldn't change) and sometimes he gave me the impression to understand more than "ciao, grazie".

Anyway, it's 4 weeks now for their 1st show on the European Tour in Poland, and still not a word about the album, no rumors of any single release before the tour (I thought they were planning it but probably I was wrong), and... Where are they now? I cannot believe they're still in studio recording, they should be planning the 2015 setlist and presumibly starting rehearsals for the show...
I cannot see them improvising "well guys, what are we going to play tonight? Ideas?"
By the way, Wasteland, are you coming to Pistoia?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on May 27, 2015, 03:39:27 PM
1st Belarus now, im going on 4 DT shows on this summer, in polish magazine JP said that the album will be next year...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Frank on May 27, 2015, 06:46:00 PM
1st Belarus now, im going on 4 DT shows on this summer, in polish magazine JP said that the album will be next year...

Source?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on May 27, 2015, 07:21:10 PM
(https://www.terazrock.pl/upload/magazines/terazrock_06_2015_5907.jpg)

Latest issue
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: VincentMDO on May 27, 2015, 07:35:23 PM
Jordan said on his live seaboard class that he'll still be doing some touchs on his keyboard parts with the seaboard on DT's new album, at the studio. Which means the album is not finished yet. Which means we ain't gonna get the same schedule as the last two in terms of months.  :P :-\
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on May 27, 2015, 10:46:43 PM
That only makes me feel better about things, makes it feel less lile a corporate product.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ResultsMayVary on May 27, 2015, 11:22:43 PM
Would love to hear something form a more credible source (no offense to a few words posted on a forum) about a release date. Would love to see something in 2015, which would be totally possible if they finished the album prior to their show obligations starting in July.

That only makes me feel better about things, makes it feel less lile a corporate product.
Since when has a Dream Theater been a corporate product? Since FII, at least.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on May 28, 2015, 12:33:24 AM
Not saying the albums themselves feel like corporate products, just that the process has felt very machine-like for the past few years. If that means we get a new album every other year, then fine. But I'm all for a more organic schedule. Plus, this makes it feel like they're taking their time to craft something special. We'll have to wait and see if that's the case, but for what it's worth, 'album not until next year' gives me a good feeling.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jammindude on May 28, 2015, 01:09:16 AM
Corporate product isn't quite the right terminology.    I think what you're getting at is that they are breaking the rut.   ....and I agree. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2015, 04:46:58 AM
If it takes them a bit longer and we get another Six Degrees or Scenes From A Memory - then i'm all for it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2015, 04:53:23 AM
...and it'll *still* be out before the next Metallica album.

making a grand total of FOUR original studio albums from Dream Theater since Death Magnetic.  :rollin









...and before anyone says " Quality not quantity " - may I remind you ....


... DEATH MAGNETIC.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Scorpion on May 28, 2015, 08:06:56 AM
Hey here's an idea.

How about you stop bringing up the fact that Metallica and Tool are taking a long time between albums in about every other topic that somehow deals with release dates.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 28, 2015, 08:07:42 AM
THANK YOU
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 28, 2015, 08:52:01 AM
Still no new release by Tool or Metallica
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 28, 2015, 09:20:41 AM
...and it'll *still* be out before the next Metallica album.

making a grand total of FOUR original studio albums from Dream Theater since Death Magnetic.  :rollin









...and before anyone says " Quality not quantity " - may I remind you ....


... DEATH MAGNETIC.

The quality not quantity argument doesn't work not because Death Magnetic sucks (it kicks ass besides the production) but because the past three DT albums are all amazing (as are all of the rest of their albums).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2015, 09:31:35 AM
...and it'll *still* be out before the next Metallica album.

making a grand total of FOUR original studio albums from Dream Theater since Death Magnetic.  :rollin









...and before anyone says " Quality not quantity " - may I remind you ....


... DEATH MAGNETIC.

The quality not quantity argument doesn't work not because Death Magnetic sucks (it kicks ass besides the production) but because the past three DT albums are all amazing (as are all of the rest of their albums).

^This guy gets it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 28, 2015, 09:59:16 AM
Listen to bosk1 in all things.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2015, 10:21:12 AM
Still no new release by Tool or Metallica

THIS
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2015, 10:21:34 AM
Hey here's an idea.

How about you stop bringing up the fact that Metallica and Tool are taking a long time between albums in about every other topic that somehow deals with release dates.

Oh My Effing Gee. Lighten Up Will Ya ? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on May 28, 2015, 10:38:51 AM
Still no new release by Tool or Metallica

Or Kansas either.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2015, 11:00:38 AM
Or The Beatles :angry: Lazy F***s
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sacul on May 28, 2015, 11:02:09 AM
Still no new release by Tool or Metallica
I imagine the glorious day they'll be out, it will be on a combo pack along with Half-Life 3, and The Last Guardian.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Plasmastrike on May 28, 2015, 11:04:26 AM
We get it. Metallica is a big band and they take a long time between albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 28, 2015, 11:15:36 AM
Or The Beatles :angry: Lazy F***s

Mozart still hasn't finished his Mess in C Minor  >:( :censored
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2015, 11:18:29 AM
And Schubert's 8th Symphony is still Unfinished. :angry: In your own time, Schube !!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on May 28, 2015, 11:36:06 AM
We get it. Metallica is a big band and they take a long time between albums.

Any word on the new Metallica?  What about Tool?   It's been years. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2015, 11:37:59 AM

Metallica?  Tools?

Pretty much.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Edergilmour on May 28, 2015, 12:03:06 PM
Sooo, about the new album. Since Jordan said that he plans to take the seaboard to the studio "pretty soon" and add it to the recording.

Now we can assume that the keys aren't recorded yet (or at least not completely done).

I'm starting to feel like something really special is coming. I might be wrong but that's a very different approach from what we are accustomed to.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 28, 2015, 12:30:39 PM
Still no new release by Tool or Metallica

Or Kansas either.
Yeah, but one is on the way. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on May 28, 2015, 12:50:33 PM
Sooo, about the new album. Since Jordan said that he plans to take the seaboard to the studio "pretty soon" and add it to the recording.

Now we can assume that the keys aren't recorded yet (or at least not completely done).

I'm starting to feel like something really special is coming. I might be wrong but that's a very different approach from what we are accustomed to.

I hope so too.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Scorpion on May 28, 2015, 01:08:09 PM
Or The Beatles :angry: Lazy F***s

Mozart still hasn't finished his Mess in C Minor  >:( :censored

Come on, it's not THAT bad. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on May 28, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
Sooo, about the new album. Since Jordan said that he plans to take the seaboard to the studio "pretty soon" and add it to the recording.

Now we can assume that the keys aren't recorded yet (or at least not completely done).

I'm starting to feel like something really special is coming. I might be wrong but that's a very different approach from what we are accustomed to.

Not feeling optimistic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Octavarious on May 28, 2015, 02:14:52 PM
Would love to hear something form a more credible source (no offense to a few words posted on a forum) about a release date. Would love to see something in 2015, which would be totally possible if they finished the album prior to their show obligations starting in July.
Their obligations start in exactly 4 weeks from today, 25th of June in Minsk, Belarus (apologies before I mentioned Poland but that's only 2 days later). So what can they do in 4 weeks, including planning tour setlist and do sone rehearsal? Not much, I think... Yeah, maybe some seabording here and there, fine tuning of minor details - but then they won't have a chance to add anything or mix stuff etc until August... Tour ends August 2 in Finland.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on May 28, 2015, 03:19:38 PM
So do you guys think they will be ready to debut a new song this summer live?  I would guess not if the album release isn't close enough for them to start promoting it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 28, 2015, 05:41:59 PM
So do you guys think they will be ready to debut a new song this summer live?  I would guess not if the album release isn't close enough for them to start promoting it.

No, I do not.  Doubtful that they've had enough time to complete the full writing, recording and mixing process for any of the new material.  And even if they have a completed song, I don't think they want to premiere new material in a live setting in the digital age, given that people will make poor quality videos and the song's initial exposure will be out of their control.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on May 28, 2015, 06:47:35 PM
Long not played track >>> New song (Let's suppose seven minutes)

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on May 28, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
Long not played track >>> New song (Let's suppose seven minutes)

I disagree.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on May 28, 2015, 07:17:58 PM
If I had to choose LFAGA or New Track :p, I take song from WDADU :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on May 28, 2015, 08:30:07 PM
Long not played track >>> New song (Let's suppose seven minutes)

I agree.  I think.  Do you mean a track not played in a long time?  Or a track that has a long running time?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on May 28, 2015, 08:59:16 PM
Quote from: RaiseTheKnife link=topic=43071.msg1963875#msg1963875
[/quote

Do you mean a track not played in a long time?

+1

Here's my proposal set from Metropolis forum (older than DTF:P) :


1.Behind The Veil
2.Innocence Faded
3.Constant Motion
4.Through Her Eyes
5.New Song (7 min)
6.The Glass Prison
7.This Dying Soul
8.Wither
9.Take The Time
10.This Is the Life
11.Anna Lee
12.Octavarium
13.Another Hand/The Killing Hand

Encore:

14.A Change of Seasons

A little too long.


Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Frank on May 29, 2015, 02:28:51 AM
1st Belarus now, im going on 4 DT shows on this summer, in polish magazine JP said that the album will be next year...

I'm still really interested in this. Thanks for providing the magazine, CharlesPL - I don't speak Polish, but I went on the website and searched "Dream Theater" and the latest article is this:

https://www.terazrock.pl/aktualnosci/czytaj/Muzycy-Dream-Theater-zapraszaja-na-koncert-w-Polsce.html

Google Translate doesn't have anything to say about 2016. Earlier articles this year that the magazine wrote up reference 2016 only in terms of a world tour (again, according to Google Translate). I presume the article about Dream Theater isn't online yet...

If the article within the magazine says that an album release date is in 2016, then we've at least got a piece of big news.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on May 29, 2015, 06:31:57 AM
2016? Wonder if that is accurate.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 29, 2015, 06:39:04 AM
I think I will wait for secondary confirmation on this one. Right now there's an absolute dearth of information coming from DT; I wouldn't be surprised at all if a magazine "extrapolated" a bit to write an article.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 29, 2015, 06:57:19 AM
I think I will wait for secondary confirmation on this one. Right now there's an absolute dearth of information coming from DT; I wouldn't be surprised at all if a magazine "extrapolated" a bit to write an article.

A miscommunication based on a translated interview as our only source of information? Vintage DTF.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 29, 2015, 07:19:33 AM
Exactly :lol

"I couldn't drum up the courage to give them a call"

=>

"MIKE PORTNOY HAS ANXIETY TO GET BEHIND DRUM KIT. ALSO, SPEECH DIFFICULTIES?!"
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Frank on May 29, 2015, 08:33:00 AM
I think I will wait for secondary confirmation on this one. Right now there's an absolute dearth of information coming from DT; I wouldn't be surprised at all if a magazine "extrapolated" a bit to write an article.

A miscommunication based on a translated interview as our only source of information? Vintage DTF.

Ha ha! Indeed. Back to the waiting game!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on May 29, 2015, 09:01:23 AM
Based on the schedule so far, I wouldn't be shocked if the album doesn't come out until next year. I'm just glad that instead of hurrying up they... take the time. :lhk:
Would love to hear something form a more credible source (no offense to a few words posted on a forum) about a release date. Would love to see something in 2015, which would be totally possible if they finished the album prior to their show obligations starting in July.
Their obligations start in exactly 4 weeks from today, 25th of June in Minsk, Belarus (apologies before I mentioned Poland but that's only 2 days later). So what can they do in 4 weeks, including planning tour setlist and do sone rehearsal? Not much, I think... Yeah, maybe some seabording here and there, fine tuning of minor details - but then they won't have a chance to add anything or mix stuff etc until August... Tour ends August 2 in Finland.
They've already started planning the setlist, because JP recently posted a photo of his new baritone guitar that he said he'll be taking on the road with him this year. There aren't a lot of DT songs with baritone guitars, so at least some specific song choices must've been made.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BRGM on May 29, 2015, 09:06:29 AM
Where did he post said pic?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 29, 2015, 09:07:02 AM
They've already started planning the setlist, because JP recently posted a photo of his new baritone guitar that he said he'll be taking on the road with him this year. There aren't a lot of DT songs with baritone guitars, so at least some specific song choices must've been made.

It's probably more likely that he's used it on the new album. I doubt they've locked in anything concerning setlists at this point.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on May 29, 2015, 09:08:28 AM
Where did he post said pic?

It's on Petrucci's Facebook.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on May 29, 2015, 09:38:43 AM
They've already started planning the setlist, because JP recently posted a photo of his new baritone guitar that he said he'll be taking on the road with him this year. There aren't a lot of DT songs with baritone guitars, so at least some specific song choices must've been made.

It's probably more likely that he's used it on the new album. I doubt they've locked in anything concerning setlists at this point.
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10985479_10153385098066340_4406457265972520779_n.jpg?oh=ff522852d93ab7b24d9eac6a7e4d5f99&oe=55FF11DF)
Quote from: JP
I'll be taking this beauty with me this summer on DT's 30th Anniversary European festival tour.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 29, 2015, 09:44:52 AM
What are the songs that use the baritone?


I know These Walls does... and.... ANTR... right?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 29, 2015, 09:45:47 AM
Oh right, the festival tour. Yeah, they'd have a setlist put together for that. I was thinking the album tour. Sorry, my bad!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 29, 2015, 09:54:41 AM
These Walls seems unlikely, given its relative obscurity and the fact that it was played the tour before last.  I mean, anything is possible.  The band could have really enjoyed playing it and decided they want to bring it back.  But it seems unlikely to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on May 29, 2015, 09:58:17 AM
What are the songs that use the baritone?


I know These Walls does... and.... ANTR... right?
ANTR is in C tuning on a normal 6-string. Besides These Walls there's at least Blind Faith, Panic Attack and Wither - I'm probably forgetting one or two. I know Blind Faith is one of James' favorites, so I hope that one will get played :caffeine:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 29, 2015, 10:06:20 AM
These Walls seems unlikely, given its relative obscurity and the fact that it was played the tour before last.  I mean, anything is possible.  The band could have really enjoyed playing it and decided they want to bring it back.  But it seems unlikely to me.

What's obscure about These Walls? It would be a perfect festival choice, being "shorter" and heavy and catchy, and the fact it's been played recently could very well work in its favour, as the current line-up already knows the song, so it's less work for them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 29, 2015, 10:12:39 AM
I was just trying to remember what was on Baritone.



I can see Wither coming out. I'd be cool with that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on May 29, 2015, 10:16:46 AM
I say Wither or Blind Faith if those are the choices,  These Walls was awesome when they played it but that was more recent than the other choices.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on May 29, 2015, 11:12:39 AM
I presume the article about Dream Theater isn't online yet...

 :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: VincentMDO on May 29, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
https://www.e-kiosk.pl/numer,86394,teraz_rock

Here's the online edition of that magazine. 2 dolars. If anyone wanna buy it and translate for us....  :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on May 29, 2015, 11:32:04 AM
2 dolars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsxJfcFVnpo

EDIT:  Or extended, if you prefer:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z9Cg46Nktw
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on May 29, 2015, 11:40:27 AM
Sorry guys, but it's not my 1st language I haven't yet bought a new issue:)

In the June edition of the monthly Now Rock he has just been published interview with Dream Theater guitarist, John Petrucci. The musician told about the progress in recording the new album, recalled previous visits to Poland, and also summed up the past 30 years of the band. Petrucci: "It's really crazy, just does not reach me that we've been together so long. Flew like a whip shot. But we did a lot of great things: we spent lots and lots of records, played many, many routes and met many, many great people. We are happy and grateful for what happened to us, "- said in an interview with" Now Rock ".

The performance in Katowice is one of the first concerts during the next tour the band, guitarist assured, however, that we expect the best show on what they can afford. "(...) During the first concert you have to get used again to being on stage. But you know what? We always do everything to make first appearance was as good as the last. We will celebrate thirty years on stage, or we do it for a long time and so we know what to expect and how to do it well. And every concert we play the best we can, "- JP
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on May 29, 2015, 12:54:26 PM
"Flew like a whip shot."
 —John Petrucci
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 29, 2015, 01:08:01 PM
Sorry guys, but it's not my 1st language I haven't yet bought a new issue:)

In the June edition of the monthly Now Rock he has just been published interview with Dream Theater guitarist, John Petrucci. The musician told about the progress in recording the new album, recalled previous visits to Poland, and also summed up the past 30 years of the band. Petrucci: "It's really crazy, just does not reach me that we've been together so long. Flew like a whip shot. But we did a lot of great things: we spent lots and lots of records, played many, many routes and met many, many great people. We are happy and grateful for what happened to us, "- said in an interview with" Now Rock ".

The performance in Katowice is one of the first concerts during the next tour the band, guitarist assured, however, that we expect the best show on what they can afford. "(...) During the first concert you have to get used again to being on stage. But you know what? We always do everything to make first appearance was as good as the last. We will celebrate thirty years on stage, or we do it for a long time and so we know what to expect and how to do it well. And every concert we play the best we can, "- JP

Thanks dude.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Voices on May 29, 2015, 01:12:34 PM
I'm pretty sure they'll be playing Blind Faith on this tour.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2015, 01:15:04 PM
I'm pretty sure they'll be playing Blind Faith on this tour.
Now that's what I call blind faith!  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Voices on May 29, 2015, 01:19:28 PM
I'm pretty sure they'll be playing Blind Faith on this tour.
Now that's what I call blind faith!  :D

 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 29, 2015, 02:17:01 PM
"Flew like a whip shot."
 —John Petrucci

You heard it here first. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ResultsMayVary on May 29, 2015, 09:32:36 PM
"Flew like a whip shot."
 —John Petrucci

You heard it here first. :lol
God damn. :lol

There's just NO WAY he actually said that in English.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 30, 2015, 01:49:54 AM
He actually said " brew like an espresso shot " :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on May 30, 2015, 07:28:34 AM
"Flew like a whip shot."
 —John Petrucci

You heard it here first. :lol
God damn. :lol

There's just NO WAY he actually said that in English.

Why?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on May 30, 2015, 07:35:25 AM
"Flew like a whip shot."
 —John Petrucci

You heard it here first. :lol
God damn. :lol

There's just NO WAY he actually said that in English.

Why?

Because nobody ever has.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ResultsMayVary on May 30, 2015, 05:15:38 PM
"Flew like a whip shot."
 —John Petrucci

You heard it here first. :lol
God damn. :lol

There's just NO WAY he actually said that in English.

Why?

Because nobody ever has.

My logic is that I've never heard of that phrase before and I've lived in three pretty unique areas of the United States. And knowing he's from Long Island, there's just no way that phrase would be in his vocabulary. I'm almost certain it's a hilarious translation error. Think of him saying a phrase in English, then it gets translated to another language, and then back to English. Shit gets messed up all the time when you have these types of situations.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Frank on May 30, 2015, 06:32:01 PM
Oftentimes languages have set expressions that sound perfectly fine to a speaker of the language ("time passes in the blink of an eye") but would be ridiculous if said word-for-word in another language ("jikan wa matataiteiru aida ni tatsu") - in this case the English expression in Japanese sounds awkward grammatically, phonetically, and even semantically, as the word for "blink" simply is not acceptable as a verb that can be used metaphorically. All of this is completely arbitrary, by the way - there's no real reason why "whip shot" isn't the norm - and everybody knows exactly what the idea is conveying - but it just wasn't because that's not how history worked out. Anyway, I could go on but I think it's fairly clear. In this case this is not as much about translation as much as semantic morphology.

And because it's fairly clear, I also think it's reasonable to not just poke fun at him, but to also suggest better alternatives. So instead of "flew like a whip shot," which indeed sounds very strange in English, one could use "flew by in an instant" and hopefully that would approximate whatever original phrase the Polish magazine used, which ideally conveys JP's ideas accurately enough.

Just as we'd appreciate people helping us when we learn a new language, I think it is common courtesy to offer helpful advice to others in that same boat - and we don't have to sacrifice having fun at the same time to do so.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on May 30, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't intend to insult either JP or the magazine. I know that the way things like that usually go is that you have an interview probably done in English that is translated to another language (in this case Polish) that is then translated back to English, and that a lot of idiomatic expressions are lost in those translations.

I just wanted to point it out because "Flew like a whip shot" is humorously non-sensical to anyone who speaks English as their first language.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Frank on May 31, 2015, 01:22:48 AM
Yep, no problem at all! I have no idea what phrase JP used in English and what that became in Polish - we only have what our poster here said. I was talking more about the way people were only making fun of "whip shot" and not also taking the opportunity to help the original translator here improve his English. Sometimes people could get the wrong idea and be discouraged, and it's a good opportunity to both have some fun and help somebody out while we wait.

Anyway, I'd say let's talk about the new album, but... ;P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sacul on May 31, 2015, 11:52:57 AM
Well, to be fair, Polish is the hardest, most complex language on Earth :P .
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on May 31, 2015, 12:26:43 PM
Doesn't Kotow mean cat ? :p
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: jakepriest on May 31, 2015, 12:31:26 PM
As far as I know "kot" is cat in Polish. "kočka" in Czech but that's just a fun trivia.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 31, 2015, 02:27:07 PM
Well, to be fair, Polish is the hardest, most complex language on Earth :P .

I can probably say I've heard that statement being said about every major language in this world.
It's not just about the language you're learning; it's equally as much about the language you're coming from. German with its three genders and four different cases must be hell for a Chinese speaker. For a Dutch person it would just be a shoulder shrug.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Nihil-Morari on May 31, 2015, 03:41:05 PM
Du hast recht. Deutsch ist nicht ganz schwer um zu lernen. Verstehen ist ganz einfach, aber schreiben ein bisschen mehr nachdenken. Dankeschön.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 31, 2015, 04:28:59 PM
Tranquilo amigão!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on May 31, 2015, 06:15:39 PM
Mieli dzieci: Jachce z Cepką mieli Szacha, Jachce Drachce z Cepką Drepką mieli Szacha Szarszaracha, Jachce Drachce Drachcedroni z Cepką Drepką Rompomponi mieli Szacha Szarszaracha Fudżi Fajkę. Kto powtórzy całą bajkę?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: NotePad on May 31, 2015, 07:30:38 PM
Trust me, this album will be like BC&SL part 2. They will not repeat the shorter song thing two times in a row. This album will have the longest, most drawn out songs they will ever do. This album will break the world record for having the worlds longest keyboard solo.

"After crafting these shorter songs, we really want to let loose on our next record. If a song starts sounding too catchy or memorable, that's when we know to let Jordan loose so he can do his thing and add some dynamic to it. I've always said every good song needs to be ruined by a goofy sounding keyboard solo that sounds nothing like the rest of the song. Really lets the song have breathing room......and expect more of the same as recent years from James because I've always thought he sounded best when he sings like a fag."
- John Petrucci, 2015 interview
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on May 31, 2015, 07:36:01 PM
Du hast recht. Deutsch ist nicht ganz schwer um zu lernen. Verstehen ist ganz einfach, aber schreiben ein bisschen mehr nachdenken. Dankeschön.

I can't write Dutch (we just never had to learn it in school) but reading it is pretty straightforward. It's mostly just funky spelling.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on June 01, 2015, 12:16:09 AM
I don't particularily like JLB's stuff on the latest album either, but there's no need to be a dick about it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on June 01, 2015, 12:20:21 AM
inb4 :bosk1:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 01, 2015, 01:57:16 AM
Du hast recht. Deutsch ist nicht ganz schwer um zu lernen. Verstehen ist ganz einfach, aber schreiben ein bisschen mehr nachdenken. Dankeschön.

I can't write Dutch (we just never had to learn it in school) but reading it is pretty straightforward. It's mostly just funky spelling.

Yeah the other way around is exactly that. When you pretend to speak German, you're accidentally speaking it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on June 01, 2015, 02:30:50 AM
Was this page copy-and-pasted from fiveeightforums?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: XJDenton on June 01, 2015, 04:33:02 AM
"... Really lets the song have breathing room......and expect more of the same as recent years from James because I've always thought he sounded best when he sings like a fag."

May I remind you of rule 5:

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5. Keep your language reasonable. Repeated and inappropriate usage of explicit language is forbidden. Violators will be warned before any serious action is taken. No racially offensive posts. No posts that are derogatory toward gender or sexual preference. No posts that use slang terms for any race, sexual preference, or religious background. Includes signatures.

Consider this a warning.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on June 01, 2015, 06:48:18 AM
...My vision is augmented.

That is all :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ErHaO on June 01, 2015, 06:58:38 AM
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?

Well, to be fair, Polish is the hardest, most complex language on Earth :P .

I can probably say I've heard that statement being said about every major language in this world.
It's not just about the language you're learning; it's equally as much about the language you're coming from. German with its three genders and four different cases must be hell for a Chinese speaker. For a Dutch person it would just be a shoulder shrug.

Totally offtopic, but this is not entirely true. Some languages are fairly scientific and thus can be learned quite efficiently by knowing the basic set of rules. A 26-letter alphabet with generally clear rules of pronounciation and grammar is way less complex than Mandarin, with it's vast  amount of characters and information gap between writing and pronouncing, for example.

Offcourse German and English are very easy for a Dutch person like me (and vice versa to some extent) compared to Spanish. But languages do vary a lot in terms of complexity. So there is merit to some people saying their language is difficult.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 07:18:35 AM
Offcourse German and English are very easy for a Dutch person like me (and vice versa to some extent) compared to Spanish. But languages do vary a lot in terms of complexity. So there is merit to some people saying their language is difficult.
I would think that Spanish would be easier than English, because at least the rules and letter pronunciations are consistent in Spanish.  There are no silent "K"s in Spanish, and there is no "i before e except after c" rule.  Likewise, in Spanish there is no ridiculousness like rough not rhyming with bough, or owl not rhyming with bowl.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on June 01, 2015, 07:21:37 AM
So.... how about them Dream Theater, huh? I hear they're in the studio making something?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 01, 2015, 07:38:05 AM
I've heard they'll enter the studio next februari.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on June 01, 2015, 08:22:21 AM
Offcourse German and English are very easy for a Dutch person like me (and vice versa to some extent) compared to Spanish. But languages do vary a lot in terms of complexity. So there is merit to some people saying their language is difficult.
I would think that Spanish would be easier than English, because at least the rules and letter pronunciations are consistent in Spanish.  There are no silent "K"s in Spanish, and there is no "i before e except after c" rule.  Likewise, in Spanish there is no ridiculousness like rough not rhyming with bough, or owl not rhyming with bowl.
I don't think the spelling inconsistencies are that hard to master. You learn the words anyway, you see them written down a couple of times and there, they're memorized. Having grammatical genders and difficult conjugation (which is by far the easiest in the English language) makes Spanish and other Romance languages harder to learn, imo.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 01, 2015, 08:25:28 AM
We're discussing learning languages in the thread about DT's new album. This is what happens when we don't get any news.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on June 01, 2015, 08:27:41 AM
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?

I think it is. It's just not my opinion. He was loads better on ADToE, or he at least knew his limitations better then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 01, 2015, 09:04:52 AM
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?

Well, to be fair, Polish is the hardest, most complex language on Earth :P .

I can probably say I've heard that statement being said about every major language in this world.
It's not just about the language you're learning; it's equally as much about the language you're coming from. German with its three genders and four different cases must be hell for a Chinese speaker. For a Dutch person it would just be a shoulder shrug.

Totally offtopic, but this is not entirely true. Some languages are fairly scientific and thus can be learned quite efficiently by knowing the basic set of rules. A 26-letter alphabet with generally clear rules of pronounciation and grammar is way less complex than Mandarin, with it's vast  amount of characters and information gap between writing and pronouncing, for example.

Yes, but the grammar of Mandarin, to my understanding, is very simplistic. There is no "the horses will have jumped tomorrow". It's just "two horse jump maybe tomorrow".
English, supposedly an "easy" language to learn, is only easy in its grammar. It dropped the genders and cases. But the vocabulary, which is a mix of old Germanic, old Norse, French and Latin, alongside with the different spellings due to that, is a disaster.

The general point is, any civilized country has a language that is complex enough to encode the subtleties of that society. The languages just plug that complexity into different spots. German has a lot of it in the grammar, English in the vocabulary.

EDIT: More on the topic, check out page 40 of this paper: https://www.ddl.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/fulltext/pellegrino/Pellegrino_to%20appear_Language.pdf
With the exception of Japanese, all the languages there have essentially the same information flow. That information needs to be communicated somehow. Each language does it in a different way, but as a language learner, you will have to learn that.

We're discussing learning languages in the thread about DT's new album. This is what happens when we don't get any news.

Seriously :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on June 01, 2015, 10:23:27 AM
I've heard they'll enter the studio next february.

 :censored 8 more months...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on June 01, 2015, 10:30:43 AM
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?

I think it is. It's just not my opinion. He was loads better on ADToE, or he at least knew his limitations better then.

But he shines even more on Frameshift, or even JLB's last couple of solo album. I still think DT under utilizes him in the vocal department.

I also agree with ErHao: James definitely sounded and sang better on ADTOE. He seemed to sing with more melody instead of just "reciting" lines like on most of DT12. At least that's my impression.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on June 01, 2015, 10:34:40 AM
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?

I think it is. It's just not my opinion. He was loads better on ADToE, or he at least knew his limitations better then.

Apart on IT, I don't see where he exceeds his limitations. Plus, I find him safer on DT 12 than on ADToE. Opinions vary.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 01, 2015, 11:28:39 AM
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?

I think it is. It's just not my opinion. He was loads better on ADToE, or he at least knew his limitations better then.

But he shines even more on Frameshift, or even JLB's last couple of solo album. I still think DT under utilizes him in the vocal department.
One thing you have to remember is that DT has to utilize him in such a way that what he does on the album can be recreated live. That's not something he has to worry about on side projects (at least, not anywhere near the same extent).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 01, 2015, 11:29:25 AM
Not that I will repeat the f** word here, but I think I know what he is referring to, and I too find it somewhat unfortunate when he sings that way. I realize it's supposed to be a more intimate, softer type of singing, but it does indeed go into rather unfortunate territory when he sings that way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on June 01, 2015, 12:17:02 PM
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?

I think it is. It's just not my opinion. He was loads better on ADToE, or he at least knew his limitations better then.

But he shines even more on Frameshift, or even JLB's last couple of solo album. I still think DT under utilizes him in the vocal department.
One thing you have to remember is that DT has to utilize him in such a way that what he does on the album can be recreated live. That's not something he has to worry about on side projects (at least, not anywhere near the same extent).

Well James did take his solo material on the road and that worked pretty well. At least for the couple of bootlegs that I heard...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on June 01, 2015, 12:28:20 PM
Not that I will repeat the f** word here, but I think I know what he is referring to, and I too find it somewhat unfortunate when he sings that way. I realize it's supposed to be a more intimate, softer type of singing, but it does indeed go into rather unfortunate territory when he sings that way.

I'm pretty happy to say that I've never thought this about JLB's vocals, ever. It seems immature to even respond to NotePad when he's clearly flaming. He got warned and that's all the attention he should get, but hey.. If you feel the same way..
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 01, 2015, 12:35:30 PM
Is a point immediately invalid just because the way it was delivered?

i can definitely say that when I first heard the ending of Through Her Eyes, I had a *very* raised eyebrow.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on June 01, 2015, 01:19:48 PM
I don't necessarily disagree with your overall point, but I really like that part.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 01, 2015, 01:28:51 PM
Rumborak just has overactive eyebrows.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on June 01, 2015, 02:17:00 PM
Rumborak just has overactive eyebrows.

That's his Internet twitch.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 01, 2015, 03:33:39 PM
Rumborak just has overactive eyebrows.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/Kvz2H6973dZN6/200.gif)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on June 01, 2015, 03:44:42 PM
Rumborak just has overactive eyebrows.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/Kvz2H6973dZN6/200.gif)

LOL :lol :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 01, 2015, 04:04:22 PM
The one you had originally was FAR less creepy.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 01, 2015, 04:20:15 PM
That's why I changed it! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on June 01, 2015, 04:47:41 PM
Not that I will repeat the f** word here, but I think I know what he is referring to, and I too find it somewhat unfortunate when he sings that way. I realize it's supposed to be a more intimate, softer type of singing, but it does indeed go into rather unfortunate territory when he sings that way.
The only time that crossed my mind was at the "I ran into Julian...it's time for him to goooo-eeeehh-ooow" part, but he's channeling Victoria there, so it fits perfectly. Not to mention, I love that part and JLB's delivery (especially in the studio version), one of my favorite DT sing-along parts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 01, 2015, 05:03:56 PM
Not that I will repeat the f** word here, but I think I know what he is referring to, and I too find it somewhat unfortunate when he sings that way. I realize it's supposed to be a more intimate, softer type of singing, but it does indeed go into rather unfortunate territory when he sings that way.
The only time that crossed my mind was at the "I ran into Julian...it's time for him to goooo-eeeehh-ooow" part, but he's channeling Victoria there, so it fits perfectly. Not to mention, I love that part and JLB's delivery (especially in the studio version), one of my favorite DT sing-along parts.

My favorite aspect of James' singing is that he always seems to accurately convey the emotions behind the music to the listener. He sings a song like Vacant completely differently than a song like Panic Attack. His voice covers such a broad range of emotions and he does it so effortlessly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on June 01, 2015, 06:18:51 PM
I'm a little baffled by this discussion. James' sometimes feminine sounding voice has never really bothered me, but I'm a huge Mercury fan. What does bother me is his occasional pitchiness and sometimes thin timbre  :-\
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 01, 2015, 09:43:48 PM
Interesting comparison there with Mercury. I think in his case that type of singing came with his persona that was larger than life.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: 425 on June 01, 2015, 11:05:27 PM
My favorite aspect of James' singing is that he always seems to accurately convey the emotions behind the music to the listener. He sings a song like Vacant completely differently than a song like Panic Attack. His voice covers such a broad range of emotions and he does it so effortlessly.

I agree. My musical tastes have been shifting for a while away from the JLB style of bombastic singing towards more straightforward, plain deliveries, but I still really enjoy and admire JLB, largely for this reason. JLB has one of the greatest emotional ranges of any singer I've ever heard. He really does embody whatever emotion the song requires. Not that many people could hit the right emotional notes for This Dying Soul, Wait for Sleep, Breaking All Illusions, Finally Free and The Dark Eternal Night. Whatever flaws he may have, JLB is an extraordinarily strong singer in this department.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ErHaO on June 02, 2015, 06:52:23 AM
Not that I will repeat the f** word here, but I think I know what he is referring to, and I too find it somewhat unfortunate when he sings that way. I realize it's supposed to be a more intimate, softer type of singing, but it does indeed go into rather unfortunate territory when he sings that way.
The only time that crossed my mind was at the "I ran into Julian...it's time for him to goooo-eeeehh-ooow" part, but he's channeling Victoria there, so it fits perfectly. Not to mention, I love that part and JLB's delivery (especially in the studio version), one of my favorite DT sing-along parts.

My favorite aspect of James' singing is that he always seems to accurately convey the emotions behind the music to the listener. He sings a song like Vacant completely differently than a song like Panic Attack. His voice covers such a broad range of emotions and he does it so effortlessly.

This is indeed one of his best aspects. Last tour and his great performance made me appreciate this aspect more. Lie, The Looking Glass, Finally Free, Space Dye Vest and Lifting Shadows are all very distinct peformances, for example.


A quote from Arjen Lucassen about working with Labrie for Human Equation:

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– What was something you absolutely didn’t expect?

Arjen: That he would come so well-prepared. He knew the story and the character he had to portray even better than I did! And the amount of emotion he put into his performance, I can easily see why he sells millions of albums.

Sometimes he attempts lines that I feel do not suit his voice though (especially some moments during 8V, SC and TOT) and offcourse there are certain styles that are simply not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2015, 07:59:08 AM
I thought JLB on the last album was pretty great, I thought that was the popular opinion?

I think it is. It's just not my opinion. He was loads better on ADToE, or he at least knew his limitations better then.

But he shines even more on Frameshift, or even JLB's last couple of solo album. I still think DT under utilizes him in the vocal department.
One thing you have to remember is that DT has to utilize him in such a way that what he does on the album can be recreated live. That's not something he has to worry about on side projects (at least, not anywhere near the same extent).

Well James did take his solo material on the road and that worked pretty well. At least for the couple of bootlegs that I heard...
Yeah, but only for a handful of performances, not a months-long world tour.  Which is why I said "not anywhere near the same extent."
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 02, 2015, 08:33:07 AM
JR posted a video on FB, practicing for the tour. Just FYI. Nothing long though, don't get overly excited.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BelichickFan on June 02, 2015, 08:46:36 AM
The wait and the lack of information on direction, etc, doesn't bother me a bit.  However I would kill for a statement that "The album is going well and we're hoping for a (fall, winter, spring, whichever) release".  Just one line is all I need  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 02, 2015, 09:00:40 AM
The wait and the lack of information on direction, etc, doesn't bother me a bit.  However I would kill for a statement that "The album is going well and we're hoping for a (fall, winter, spring, whichever) release".  Just one line is all I need  :biggrin:
That would be nice.

Either way, it seems evident that they are now no longer in music production mode, but rather tour preparation mode.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 02, 2015, 09:35:36 AM
That Jordan's latest fb video (introducing Cinematic Guitars Infinity) shows a few tasty riffs. I found that riff which starts at 0:48 very interesting, only if that would be a new riff for a DT song...  :angel:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 02, 2015, 10:01:41 AM
That Jordan's latest fb video (introducing Cinematic Guitars Infinity) shows a few tasty riffs. I found that riff which starts at 0:48 very interesting, only if that would be a new riff for a DT song...  :angel:

That one was great, as were many others.
I don't like watching these videos, because I always want stuff like this on the albums, and it doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: NotePad on June 02, 2015, 12:50:16 PM
I really like ADTOE despite what I say about the wankery and such. When that's not going on, its very good. Same can be said about most other DT albums. So I don't know what i can say I want to hear next from them.

I would like to see them branch out more from their traditional sound. Like when I put in an album like ADTOE and the first song begins, you know immediately that its DT, and honestly when that happened it did not excite me. It was a more of the same old thing situation. You know exactly what you're in for (it did grow on me and now I enjoy it). Now its good for a band to have their own sound and style. But I want to see them change that sound more. Honestly, I think they should take inspiration from Awake because its their best album, it has a different sound and atmosphere, but also is recognizable as Dream Theater. I guess the last album was a step in the right direction, but not enough.

I'm not saying they should make Awake 2 (as cool as that would be). I'm saying they need to do something more unique, because nothing they have done since are what I'd call unique. And yea, something raw and dark like Awake would be amazing but I can't see that happening in a million years, which depresses me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: GandL on June 02, 2015, 02:01:56 PM
That Jordan's latest fb video (introducing Cinematic Guitars Infinity) shows a few tasty riffs. I found that riff which starts at 0:48 very interesting, only if that would be a new riff for a DT song...  :angel:

That one was great, as were many others.
I don't like watching these videos, because I always want stuff like this on the albums, and it doesn't happen.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BelichickFan on June 02, 2015, 02:26:30 PM
I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD).  The End.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on June 02, 2015, 02:40:25 PM
I'm glad most of the comments picked up the two best riffs of the video! I really do hope, as all the other people, that those two will be featured in some way in the new album. It won't happen, though.

If I remember correctly, in the wilderness months between the auditions announcement and the documentary, when the DT fan base was reaching an unparalleled level of left-in-the-darkness psychosis, JP was featured in some guitar-techy video demoing some new feature playing a few riffs. One of those in particular appeared to be more structured and coherent than your average improvised on the spot riff. For a while there was some talk about that riff being part of the then to be announced ADTOE.
It much later turned out to be the main riff of the JP solo song Zero Tolerance, that I believe was premiered in the SA G3 tour of 2012.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on June 02, 2015, 03:04:46 PM
I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD).  The End.

i'd rather have an album of 12 / 13 eight to 10 minute songs.

Screw the big epic at the end. They need to get off of that treadmill now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BelichickFan on June 02, 2015, 04:11:37 PM
I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD).  The End.

i'd rather have an album of 12 / 13 eight to 10 minute songs.

Screw the big epic at the end. They need to get off of that treadmill now.
No problem with what you want, I just would love to see DT's take on "Tales from Topographic Oceans", four 30 minute tracks certainly wouldn't be them being on a treadmill; not that there's any chance of it actually happening.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 02, 2015, 05:14:00 PM
I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD).  The End.

i'd rather have an album of 12 / 13 eight to 10 minute songs.

Screw the big epic at the end. They need to get off of that treadmill now.

100% agree.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sacul on June 02, 2015, 05:25:09 PM
I'd love them to make a more experimental album. With each member's background, something really good can come out of it. And with such a solid fanbase, I don't think they have much to lose.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on June 02, 2015, 05:56:01 PM
I'd love them to make a more experimental album. With each member's background, something really good can come out of it. And with such a solid fanbase, I don't think they have much to lose.
I'm not so sure about that. It seems like fans take a few years to come around to their less conventional material. It took fans forever to warm up to FII, and for awhile SDOIT disc 1 was something many fans considered vastly inferior to disc 2. I also remember the tepid reaction to Octavarium when that first came out. Albums like Dramatic Turn and DT12 may not satisfy fans in the long term, but they do seem to make fans happy enough initially, and get people back into the seats for shows.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on June 02, 2015, 07:32:34 PM
I'd love them to make a more experimental album. With each member's background, something really good can come out of it. And with such a solid fanbase, I don't think they have much to lose.

Absolutely this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 03, 2015, 07:55:58 AM
I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD).  The End.

i'd rather have an album of 12 / 13 eight to 10 minute songs.

Screw the big epic at the end. They need to get off of that treadmill now.
Yeah, they've done one in a row.  It's really getting tedious.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on June 03, 2015, 07:56:44 AM
I'd like to see them jam out an album instead of their usual writing process, but that won't happen  :lol

Also
I'd love them to make a more experimental album. With each member's background, something really good can come out of it. And with such a solid fanbase, I don't think they have much to lose.

Absolutely this.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dream Team on June 03, 2015, 08:03:33 AM
Just catching up in this thread - re: James on DT12. Yes, overall he sounded good but there were a LOT of effects on the vocals weren't there?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2015, 09:58:19 AM
I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD).  The End.

i'd rather have an album of 12 / 13 eight to 10 minute songs.

Screw the big epic at the end. They need to get off of that treadmill now.
Yeah, they've done one in a row.  It's really getting tedious.

What the fuck are you talking about ?

Octavarium. The Count Of Tuscany. Illumination Theory. All songs are 20 minutes or over.

And don't start with that " BUT DER NOT LE LE EPICS LE !!!!! !!1111!!! " - You know I meant finishing the album with a lengthy song.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 03, 2015, 10:05:30 AM
And don't start with that " BUT DER NOT LE LE EPICS LE !!!!! !!1111!!! " - You know I meant finishing the album with a lengthy song.
Aren't you a little old to speak like that?  I certainly am.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2015, 10:07:16 AM
No Comment.  :angel:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BelichickFan on June 03, 2015, 10:35:56 AM
I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD).  The End.

i'd rather have an album of 12 / 13 eight to 10 minute songs.

Screw the big epic at the end. They need to get off of that treadmill now.
Yeah, they've done one in a row.  It's really getting tedious.

What the fuck are you talking about ?

Octavarium. The Count Of Tuscany. Illumination Theory. All songs are 20 minutes or over.
He said one in a row, not one ever.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2015, 10:36:48 AM
He knows exactly what I meant.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2015, 10:44:04 AM
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track? 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 03, 2015, 11:04:17 AM
I'd like to see them jam out an album instead of their usual writing process, but that won't happen  :lol

Um...that's pretty much how they write every album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on June 03, 2015, 11:24:18 AM
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?

It would be one thing if they always wrote the albums in order, such that the writing session was "Oh gosh guys, we have eight short tracks...we gotta make sure we do the epic now!" If it's shoehorned in, I get the complaint. But on SC for example, the epic was the first thing they wrote. As long as it's developed organically, I'm fine with it. DT's made great 20+ minute songs and less great ones, and they've made great short songs and less great ones. Whatever preferences we have about lengths (and I have them as much as anyone), ultimately those preferences become (largely) irrelevant once we actually have the music and are simply evaluating its quality.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 03, 2015, 11:26:49 AM
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?

I would even go as far to say that I'm disappointed when they don't end with the longest track. I love Beneath the Surface but Breaking All Illusions should absolutely be the last song you hear when listening to A Dramatic Turn of Events. Ditto for Scarred with Awake (although I don't really like Space-Dye Vest) and The Killing Hand for When Dream and Day Unite. The only album where the longest song not ending the album is fine is Finally Free with Scenes From a Memory but being the last part of a whole story, it's different.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Evermind on June 03, 2015, 11:45:41 AM
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?

I would even go as far to say that I'm disappointed when they don't end with the longest track. I love Beneath the Surface but Breaking All Illusions should absolutely be the last song you hear when listening to A Dramatic Turn of Events.

I disagree. Beneath the Surface is the perfect way to end ADTOE.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 03, 2015, 11:56:46 AM
ITT:  DT can't win.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on June 03, 2015, 12:00:54 PM
We need a baby crying meme stating "I want my DT My Way!"
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 03, 2015, 12:04:00 PM
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?

I would even go as far to say that I'm disappointed when they don't end with the longest track. I love Beneath the Surface but Breaking All Illusions should absolutely be the last song you hear when listening to A Dramatic Turn of Events.

I disagree. Beneath the Surface is the perfect way to end ADTOE.

Truth
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on June 03, 2015, 12:11:34 PM
I wouldn't listen to BTS no matter where it's placed on an album--fairly well-executed but just not my cup of tea. Seems like it would be odd to have it anywhere but last. Same applies to SDV. Can't really just pick back up from that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on June 03, 2015, 12:14:55 PM
Ending on the longest song is sooo cliche by now. It's refreshing when I see an album that has the longest track in the middle or something.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 03, 2015, 12:37:31 PM
ITT:  DT can't win.

I think that might be the biggest reason for not changing things up actually. Whatever they're doing right now is at a spot they know works; not everybody is happy, but enough people are to make it work. If they switched thing they might end up with a lot of people not liking it. And from what I've seen on this forum, there's a good chunk of people who are happy with DT's experimental past staying in the past, and their new output being very similar across albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: FLEEBS on June 03, 2015, 01:27:46 PM
I've always appreciated Dream Theater's different tangents from album to album, and the recent sameness of recent releases has bothered me a bit. I'd hate for Dream Theater to become the AC/DC of progressive metal, but maybe they already have.   :(
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 03, 2015, 01:34:25 PM
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?

I'd like DT to challenge themselves to keep the songs shortER and poignant, make difficult editorial decisions that bring each song into a sharp focus, brisk, effective and where every riff is all that more important because there a fewer necessary components.  The album could still have a track that "feels" like a juggernaut with an 8 minute running time. 

I'm not saying that DT doesn't already do this.  I would be interested to hear an album that made a deliberate effort to create an "immediate experience" with each song.

And less indulgent seven layer chocolate cake in the tone.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2015, 02:18:04 PM
I've always appreciated Dream Theater's different tangents from album to album, and the recent sameness of recent releases has bothered me a bit. I'd hate for Dream Theater to become the AC/DC of progressive metal, but maybe they already have.   :(
How recent? I thought the last two albums were quite different. I also thought ADTOE was quite different than what came before it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2015, 03:19:19 PM
I've always appreciated Dream Theater's different tangents from album to album, and the recent sameness of recent releases has bothered me a bit. I'd hate for Dream Theater to become the AC/DC of progressive metal, but maybe they already have.   :(
How recent? I thought the last two albums were quite different. I also thought ADTOE was quite different than what came before it.

While ADTOE might have been a pretty standard DT album, I agree that BC&SL and then DT12 were both quite different to say the recent releases have been the same.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 03, 2015, 03:30:26 PM
If I remember correctly, in the wilderness months between the auditions announcement and the documentary, when the DT fan base was reaching an unparalleled level of left-in-the-darkness psychosis, JP was featured in some guitar-techy video demoing some new feature playing a few riffs. One of those in particular appeared to be more structured and coherent than your average improvised on the spot riff. For a while there was some talk about that riff being part of the then to be announced ADTOE.
It much later turned out to be the main riff of the JP solo song Zero Tolerance, that I believe was premiered in the SA G3 tour of 2012.
When exactly is his new solo CD supposed to be released? It feels like all the songs have been around for 4+ years.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on June 03, 2015, 04:05:23 PM
ITT:  DT can't win.

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 03, 2015, 05:48:07 PM
Talking about wishes, the one thing that I wish is that they'd write a lot more material than ended up on the album. And by that, I mean completed songs (including lyrics) that are recorded in the studio and saved for various other purposes, be it B-sides, extra tracks for a deluxe version, future compilations and/or other things. This way, they can work out all their ideas to the full and then pick what they feel are the best/strongest tracks for the album, instead of simply writing just enough to fill an album. I know it won't happen, based on their history, post-FII, but I'll continue to dream about it...


I still hope for "Tales from Theatrical Dreams", double CD, four 30 minute tracks (2 per CD).  The End.
In a roundabout way (no pun intended - really!) they already did this between SDoIT and BCaSL. But I get what you're saying nonetheless. Not sure if that would be a good idea tho. Certainly you can imagine that the majority of this board would be up in arms over it.
 
 
I'd love them to make a more experimental album. With each member's background, something really good can come out of it. And with such a solid fanbase, I don't think they have much to lose.
Absolutely this.
Amen. I think there could be some interesting things that happen with this, going in new directions and keeping things fresh, without sounding just like a mix of everything they've done before.
 
 
I'd like to see them jam out an album instead of their usual writing process, but that won't happen  :lol
Um...that's pretty much how they write every album.
Bosk beat me to it. I'd like to know how SuperTaco would want things different in the writing process than what they do now.
 
 
I dont see what the problem is with ending the album with a long song, assuming they write such a song, isnt the best spot the last track?
I would even go as far to say that I'm disappointed when they don't end with the longest track. I love Beneath the Surface but Breaking All Illusions should absolutely be the last song you hear when listening to A Dramatic Turn of Events. Ditto for Scarred with Awake (although I don't really like Space-Dye Vest) and The Killing Hand for When Dream and Day Unite. The only album where the longest song not ending the album is fine is Finally Free with Scenes From a Memory but being the last part of a whole story, it's different.
Not getting the reasoning of why an album must end with the longest track - seems rather silly to me, TBH. While I think it would get tiring if the band had an epic on every album, I'm not against them periodically being on an album. But requiring them, or even just a semi-epic to be the last track on the album because it's the longest would become cliche. I'd rather them select the order of the songs based on how well they flow from one to another, rather than on some requirement.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Rodni Demental on June 03, 2015, 09:09:53 PM
I like 'epics', I don't really care where they put them and I don't expect them to do one every album, but they normally fit well as a closer so meh, might as well place it there if it fits.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on June 03, 2015, 09:46:29 PM
27th June will be the star of Metal Hammer Festival in Katowice "Spodek".You play something new?

JP : No I don't think so. This year marks the thirtieth anniversary of our existence and rather, we will present our older songs also those whose long or almost never played.
Festivals are unique, because they usually do not allow for the preparation of the whole show, we play them a little less than normal. But I assure you that it will be two hours spent with Dream Theater in top form imaginable. Always we focus on perfection. We can not wait, because every meeting with Polish fans is a fantastic experience.

+ :P

A decade ago, you released your debut solo album "Suspended Animation". You are about to record his successor?

Yes, very soon. It is not easy,  because most of my professional time I devote attention to the band.

Always the same :/


I would like to ask for your forbearance.



Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on June 04, 2015, 02:49:46 AM
ITT:  DT can't win.

I think that might be the biggest reason for not changing things up actually. Whatever they're doing right now is at a spot they know works; not everybody is happy, but enough people are to make it work. If they switched thing they might end up with a lot of people not liking it. And from what I've seen on this forum, there's a good chunk of people who are happy with DT's experimental past staying in the past, and their new output being very similar across albums.
I also think what they're doing is pretty good for keeping the majority of their fanbase on board. They ARE changing things up, but in small ways, rather than radical ways. A new drum sound here, shorter, more concise songs there. Nothing mindblowing and not necessarily even things they haven't done in the past, but enough difference in approach from one album to the next that most (not all) fans don't get too bored.

Now, personally, I'd be quite happy with more radical changes, but I'm equally happy with what they're doing. I listen to absolutely hundreds of different bands, so if DT prefer to keep things reasonably stable, I'm fine with that.

As for the whole long songs vs short songs thing, I really don't care - that's such a specific and irrelevant requirement to me, considering I like or dislike albums with all sorts of variations in song lengths. I don't find any real correlation between those features and quality.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Plasmastrike on June 04, 2015, 06:47:55 AM
ITT:  DT can't win.
It's not about DT winning or losing or pleasing. People are just stating what they happen to prefer, and that's fine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on June 04, 2015, 06:57:19 AM
Except that people (fans) go overboard in that they want and not what the band wants.  You or I may not like it but it's their music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2015, 07:00:58 AM
27th June will be the star of Metal Hammer Festival in Katowice "Spodek".You play something new?

JP : No I don't think so. This year marks the thirtieth anniversary of our existence and rather, we will present our older songs also those whose long or almost never played.

Well, that's disappointing. But at least there'll be some rarities. I wonder what they'll play.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 04, 2015, 07:01:14 AM
ITT:  DT can't win.
It's not about DT winning or losing or pleasing. People are just stating what they happen to prefer, and that's fine.
Everything is fine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on June 04, 2015, 07:01:14 AM
ITT:  DT can't win.

I think that might be the biggest reason for not changing things up actually. Whatever they're doing right now is at a spot they know works; not everybody is happy, but enough people are to make it work. If they switched thing they might end up with a lot of people not liking it. And from what I've seen on this forum, there's a good chunk of people who are happy with DT's experimental past staying in the past, and their new output being very similar across albums.
I also think what they're doing is pretty good for keeping the majority of their fanbase on board. They ARE changing things up, but in small ways, rather than radical ways. A new drum sound here, shorter, more concise songs there. Nothing mindblowing and not necessarily even things they haven't done in the past, but enough difference in approach from one album to the next that most (not all) fans don't get too bored.

Now, personally, I'd be quite happy with more radical changes, but I'm equally happy with what they're doing. I listen to absolutely hundreds of different bands, so if DT prefer to keep things reasonably stable, I'm fine with that.

As for the whole long songs vs short songs thing, I really don't care - that's such a specific and irrelevant requirement to me, considering I like or dislike albums with all sorts of variations in song lengths. I don't find any real correlation between those features and quality.

Yes. Id hate for them to suddenly go all Radiohead and put out a "Kid A".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 04, 2015, 07:01:36 AM
That would be awesome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on June 04, 2015, 07:46:36 AM

Um...that's pretty much how they write every album.

I was unable to locate it, but I remember reading a John Myung interview where he said the band wrote songs differently at the start of their careers, and he wanted to get back to that. This post is going to mean absolutely nothing unless I can back it up with a fact, so I will keep searching for that interview.

Does anyone else happen to remember this?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 04, 2015, 07:49:12 AM

Um...that's pretty much how they write every album.

I was unable to locate it, but I remember reading a John Myung interview where he said the band wrote songs differently at the start of their careers, and he wanted to get back to that. This post is going to mean absolutely nothing unless I can back it up with a fact, so I will keep searching for that interview.

Does anyone else happen to remember this?

Maybe you're thinking of the WDADRU commentary?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 04, 2015, 09:12:25 AM
I was unable to locate it, but I remember reading a John Myung interview where he said the band wrote songs differently at the start of their careers, and he wanted to get back to that. This post is going to mean absolutely nothing unless I can back it up with a fact, so I will keep searching for that interview.

Does anyone else happen to remember this?

Yeah...it was part of the drummer audition tapes. He said that he and JP had sat down and wrote songs together in the way they used to earlier in their career for ADTOE....and that he liked that format and hoped to keep doing it. Not sure if that's how they wrote DT but I do recall him saying that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 04, 2015, 09:47:47 AM
ITT:  DT can't win.

I think that might be the biggest reason for not changing things up actually. Whatever they're doing right now is at a spot they know works; not everybody is happy, but enough people are to make it work. If they switched thing they might end up with a lot of people not liking it. And from what I've seen on this forum, there's a good chunk of people who are happy with DT's experimental past staying in the past, and their new output being very similar across albums.
I also think what they're doing is pretty good for keeping the majority of their fanbase on board. They ARE changing things up, but in small ways, rather than radical ways. A new drum sound here, shorter, more concise songs there. Nothing mindblowing and not necessarily even things they haven't done in the past, but enough difference in approach from one album to the next that most (not all) fans don't get too bored.

Now, personally, I'd be quite happy with more radical changes, but I'm equally happy with what they're doing. I listen to absolutely hundreds of different bands, so if DT prefer to keep things reasonably stable, I'm fine with that.

As for the whole long songs vs short songs thing, I really don't care - that's such a specific and irrelevant requirement to me, considering I like or dislike albums with all sorts of variations in song lengths. I don't find any real correlation between those features and quality.

Yes. Id hate for them to suddenly go all Radiohead and put out a "Kid A".

That's too bad, i.e. that you feel that way, since so many others feel that way too.
I find, now that Dream Theater have put out 12 full-length albums (with SDOIT, one could even count it as 13, and with ACOS even 14), there's so much well-trodden ground there, even if they released a Kid A, you'd have 14 albums to go back to if you don't like. Want an epic? About 8 tunes to choose from. Want a power ballad? 10 songs to choose from.
To me, artistically there's so little to gain at this point from the "small changes here and there" approach.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: NotePad on June 04, 2015, 10:09:41 AM
I'd like to see them jam out an album instead of their usual writing process, but that won't happen  :lol

Also
I'd love them to make a more experimental album. With each member's background, something really good can come out of it. And with such a solid fanbase, I don't think they have much to lose.

Absolutely this.

Agreed.

Isn't that their usual writing process, jamming out? They write songs as a group,. together.

I'd like to see them write an album differently. An album of individual compositions. Like Kiss, or Queen.

And what i want to see is either a power metal album from them, or something that's more traditional metal, like Maiden or Priest. Wouldn't that be aweesome? I'm a big DT fan, but lately their approach is getting very stale.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 04, 2015, 10:22:18 AM
I was unable to locate it, but I remember reading a John Myung interview where he said the band wrote songs differently at the start of their careers, and he wanted to get back to that. This post is going to mean absolutely nothing unless I can back it up with a fact, so I will keep searching for that interview.

Does anyone else happen to remember this?

Yeah...it was part of the drummer audition tapes. He said that he and JP had sat down and wrote songs together in the way they used to earlier in their career for ADTOE....and that he liked that format and hoped to keep doing it. Not sure if that's how they wrote DT but I do recall him saying that.
The difference was that, with this "old way" he was talking about, they got together all the time and jammed and worked on music, or wrote/demoed songs before going into the studio. 

The music is still produced basically the same way (jamming together); the only difference is that now they wait to do most of their jamming/writing until they get into the studio.  So before, it was jam/write THEN studio; now it is jam/write IN studio (and has been, for the most part, since SFAM).
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 04, 2015, 10:55:15 AM
^That is my understanding as well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on June 04, 2015, 11:09:52 AM
And what i want to see is either a power metal album from them, or something that's more traditional metal, like Maiden or Priest.

I hope this never happens. I have always found power metal to be extremely cheesy and I'd like every band I follow to stay away from that. And a traditional metal album from DT would be beyond disappointing. I imagine I'd listen to that once, and then never again because I rarely find 'traditional metal' interesting at all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 04, 2015, 11:23:58 AM
I was unable to locate it, but I remember reading a John Myung interview where he said the band wrote songs differently at the start of their careers, and he wanted to get back to that. This post is going to mean absolutely nothing unless I can back it up with a fact, so I will keep searching for that interview.

Does anyone else happen to remember this?

Yeah...it was part of the drummer audition tapes. He said that he and JP had sat down and wrote songs together in the way they used to earlier in their career for ADTOE....and that he liked that format and hoped to keep doing it. Not sure if that's how they wrote DT but I do recall him saying that.
The difference was that, with this "old way" he was talking about, they got together all the time and jammed and worked on music, or wrote/demoed songs before going into the studio. 

The music is still produced basically the same way (jamming together); the only difference is that now they wait to do most of their jamming/writing until they get into the studio.  So before, it was jam/write THEN studio; now it is jam/write IN studio (and has been, for the most part, since SFAM).

If the statement in question is from the DVD commentary, my take was that JM missed the incremental process, i.e. jam->refine->jam->refine over the course of months.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on June 04, 2015, 12:04:30 PM
I was unable to locate it, but I remember reading a John Myung interview where he said the band wrote songs differently at the start of their careers, and he wanted to get back to that. This post is going to mean absolutely nothing unless I can back it up with a fact, so I will keep searching for that interview.

Does anyone else happen to remember this?

Yeah...it was part of the drummer audition tapes. He said that he and JP had sat down and wrote songs together in the way they used to earlier in their career for ADTOE....and that he liked that format and hoped to keep doing it. Not sure if that's how they wrote DT but I do recall him saying that.
The difference was that, with this "old way" he was talking about, they got together all the time and jammed and worked on music, or wrote/demoed songs before going into the studio. 

The music is still produced basically the same way (jamming together); the only difference is that now they wait to do most of their jamming/writing until they get into the studio.  So before, it was jam/write THEN studio; now it is jam/write IN studio (and has been, for the most part, since SFAM).

If I recall correctly, they shifted a bit from that approach in the ToT sessions. I thought they jammed in a rehearsal space for a couple of weeks and then went into the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on June 04, 2015, 12:05:15 PM
Here's a novel idea:  let them put out the album they want to put out.  If I wanted to hear an album like Maiden or Priest, I'd put on an album by Maiden or Priest (first concert ever, Maiden opening for Priest on the Screaming tour).    If I wanted a power metal album, I'd put on something by Yngwie (I don't really listen to power metal).  If I wanted to listen to Kid A, I'd go out and get wasted (I strongly dislike Radiohead.  Unlistenable to me.) 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: emtee on June 04, 2015, 12:05:57 PM
I thought about asking this question in a dedicated thread but instead will ask here.

What do you think this next album means to DT?

-Nothing more than any other album in their past. Everything is fine. Nothing to prove. Just try to make music they are happy with.
-Needs to make a statement. Attendance trending slightly down. Album sales trending slightly down.
-Want to make a significant artistic statement late in career. Nothing else is more important.

There are many other possible questions, I'm just wondering what they actually set out to do when they had their meeting(s) prior
to getting into the studio. And after 30 years as a band I'm curious as to what others think. I would have loved to be a fly on the
wall and hear their comments on this album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 04, 2015, 12:34:48 PM
Here's a novel idea:  let them put out the album they want to put out.
Now you're just being irrational.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 04, 2015, 01:02:16 PM
What do you think this next album means to DT?
I would assume:
-Nothing more than any other album in their past. Everything is fine. Nothing to prove. Just try to make music they are happy with.
I don't know that there is good reason to assume otherwise.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Lucien on June 04, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
I thought about asking this question in a dedicated thread but instead will ask here.

What do you think this next album means to DT?

-Nothing more than any other album in their past. Everything is fine. Nothing to prove. Just try to make music they are happy with.
-Needs to make a statement. Attendance trending slightly down. Album sales trending slightly down.
-Want to make a significant artistic statement late in career. Nothing else is more important.

I want 3, probably 1 though

Here's a novel idea:  let them put out the album they want to put out.
Now you're just being irrational.

Is it the album they want to put out, or the album they think they should put out?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2015, 01:43:57 PM
I honestly dont care what kind of album it is or what it means to them.  DT have a history or consistently releasing good music.  If they change things up, I expect it will still be good.  If they do things similar, it will still be good.  DT is one band that I have complete faith in that whatever they release, will be good music to my ears.  I want DT to release an album that they want to release.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wasteland on June 04, 2015, 02:27:22 PM
I think they might want to do something different, but not out of any external pressure. I believe they are extremely fine with the way their career is evolving in the second half of their life, so whatever change might come musically with DT13 will exclusively stem from artistic reasons only.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JediKnight1969 on June 04, 2015, 03:28:19 PM
At this point I don't care if they release a Beach Boys tribute album called "Boogie-Boogie Jamboree". Just release something!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 04, 2015, 05:47:55 PM
27th June will be the star of Metal Hammer Festival in Katowice "Spodek".You play something new?

JP : No I don't think so. This year marks the thirtieth anniversary of our existence and rather, we will present our older songs also those whose long or almost never played.


This is great news.  I love it when DT dusts off the older neglected material and breathes new life into those tunes.  I hope the U.S. will get to see some of these obscure tracks in due course. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 04, 2015, 08:31:40 PM
For some reason, his quote about "long or almost never played" songs makes me think Octavarium might be making a comeback.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 04, 2015, 08:51:41 PM
For some reason, his quote about "long or almost never played" songs makes me think Octavarium might be making a comeback.

Doubt they'd squeeze Octavarium into a festival set, but maybe on a DT headlining tour.  Medleyvarium perhaps?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 04, 2015, 08:53:09 PM
For some reason, his quote about "long or almost never played" songs makes me think Octavarium might be making a comeback.

Doubt they'd squeeze Octavarium into a festival set, but maybe on a DT headlining tour.  Medleyvarium perhaps?
I doubt it. JP always said he doesn't like medleys all that much. And Octavarium could totally be possible for a festival headlining set, provided they don't play any other 15+ minute tunes in the set. The typical DT festival headliner is something near 80-ish minutes, right?

Songs that stick out to me initially as "long or almost never played" are songs like Octavarium, The Mind Beside Itself suite songs, Disappear, The Great Debate, Repentance, New Millennium, etc. That's without mentioning b-sides and cleaning out the closet songs. Raise The Knife is another that they should play occasionally, because it is just so good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Voices on June 04, 2015, 09:37:46 PM
I hope JP was referring to A Change Of Seasons and The Glass Prison...specially the first one.

But again, I am pretty sure they'll be playing Blind Faith. Mark my words  :metal 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 04, 2015, 09:42:55 PM
For some reason, his quote about "long or almost never played" songs makes me think Octavarium might be making a comeback.

Doubt they'd squeeze Octavarium into a festival set, but maybe on a DT headlining tour.  Medleyvarium perhaps?
I doubt it. JP always said he doesn't like medleys all that much. And Octavarium could totally be possible for a festival headlining set, provided they don't play any other 15+ minute tunes in the set. The typical DT festival headliner is something near 80-ish minutes, right?

Songs that stick out to me initially as "long or almost never played" are songs like Octavarium, The Mind Beside Itself suite songs, Disappear, The Great Debate, Repentance, New Millennium, etc. That's without mentioning b-sides and cleaning out the closet songs. Raise The Knife is another that they should play occasionally, because it is just so good.

I'm thinking Wither, Disappear, Anna Lee and Only a Matter of Time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: CharlesPL on June 04, 2015, 09:52:33 PM
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Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 04, 2015, 09:56:42 PM
Explain.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 04, 2015, 11:53:38 PM
Explain.

Well, see, when you take one of those out of the rack, fret notes with your left hand, and simultaneously strike the strings with the right hand, while the instrument is plugged in, it makes cool sounds.

Hope that helps!  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ? on June 05, 2015, 12:17:14 AM
For some reason, his quote about "long or almost never played" songs makes me think Octavarium might be making a comeback.
The translation is a little ambiguous, but I read it as "songs that haven't been played in a long time, if ever".
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on June 05, 2015, 05:40:39 AM
For some reason, his quote about "long or almost never played" songs makes me think Octavarium might be making a comeback.
The translation is a little ambiguous, but I read it as "songs that haven't been played in a long time, if ever".

Yea thats what I thought too, although if they did mean long and not played, then my guess and hope is for A Change of Seasons.  While they could fit one of those songs into a headlining festival gig (Wacken they only get 75 minutes) I doubt they go with Octavarium just because the first 5 minutes are all JR and that is not the type of music to play in a festivals IMO, you'd want a rocker all the way through like ACoS, but that's just my opinion.

It could also mean say TGP which would be suitable and awesome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: JiM-Xtreme on June 05, 2015, 05:51:53 AM
Hmm... long or almost never played?

How about...

A Vision
Light Fuse and Get Away
Voices
You Not Me/You Or Me
Burning My Soul (original arrangement i.e. with Hell's Kitchen in the middle)
Anna Lee
Raise the Knife
Through Her Eyes
The Glass Prison/This Dying Soul (back-to-back i.e. like on the 20th Anniversary tour)
In The Name of God
The Answer Lies Within (has this ever actually been played live???)
Repentance
The Bigger Picture
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 05, 2015, 05:53:42 AM
The Answer Lies Within (has this ever actually been played live???)

It was played a few times on the Octavarium tour (including Score), but not since.


As usual, I don't read too much into translated interviews.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on June 05, 2015, 06:13:49 AM
Voices has seen a lot of play time over the last bunch of years, I think I've seen it 3 times since 2007.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on June 05, 2015, 06:44:22 AM
Never played?

RAW DOG!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: SuperTaco on June 05, 2015, 07:00:12 AM

Yeah...it was part of the drummer audition tapes. He said that he and JP had sat down and wrote songs together in the way they used to earlier in their career for ADTOE....and that he liked that format and hoped to keep doing it. Not sure if that's how they wrote DT but I do recall him saying that.


The music is still produced basically the same way (jamming together); the only difference is that now they wait to do most of their jamming/writing until they get into the studio.  So before, it was jam/write THEN studio; now it is jam/write IN studio (and has been, for the most part, since SFAM).

Thank you guys :) I was having the damnedest time trying to find that. It probably takes the band a lot less time to write an album than it used to. (Then again, we're seriously lacking news about this upcoming album.. I hope it means an even better album this time around :) )
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 05, 2015, 07:07:20 AM
Any bets on how many pages for this thread before any actual news? Now that JP confirmed they won't play anything live, I'll bet on the round number 100.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 05, 2015, 07:12:08 AM
The Answer Lies Within (has this ever actually been played live???)
Unfortunately, yes.

Never played?

RAW DOG!
SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 05, 2015, 10:02:54 AM
I think 99% from the debut up to the latest has been played. The exceptions are: The Best of Times, Surrender to Reason, The Bigger Picture and Behind the Veil. If I was to bet, I think they'll play The Bigger Picture.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on June 05, 2015, 10:04:29 AM
  If I was to bet, I think they'll play The Bigger Picture.
That'd be awesome. I hope you're right.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: goo-goo on June 05, 2015, 10:28:19 AM
Now that JP confirmed they won't play anything live, I'll bet on the round number 100.

So you are saying, JP will be playing air guitar?   ??? ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zydar on June 05, 2015, 10:32:41 AM
Now that JP confirmed they won't play anything live, I'll bet on the round number 100.

So you are saying, JP will be playing air guitar?   ??? ;)

I guess they'll just be standing there on stage, doing nothing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 05, 2015, 11:17:59 AM
Me prediction: JP's beard will be gone.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 05, 2015, 11:22:13 AM
The Answer Lies Within (has this ever actually been played live???)
Unfortunately, yes.

Never played?

RAW DOG!
SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH

I think Raw Dog would actually work well live. It's a high energy song and those type of songs are usually well suited for a live setting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 05, 2015, 11:24:07 AM
I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: mike099 on June 05, 2015, 11:25:18 AM
Any bets on how many pages for this thread before any actual news? Now that JP confirmed they won't play anything live, I'll bet on the round number 100.

Thread renamed - Dream Theater back in the Studio February 2016.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Octavarious on June 05, 2015, 03:45:07 PM
Now that JP confirmed they won't play anything live, I'll bet on the round number 100.

So you are saying, JP will be playing air guitar?   ??? ;)
:rollin
That would be the coolest thing ever, especially if he pretends to sing too...
Maybe the festival crowd is not the best choice for such test, but I would give it a try after 2:00 AM with everyone in the audience more than drunk or definitely sick.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sycsa on June 05, 2015, 04:25:46 PM
So you are saying, JP will be playing air guitar?   ??? ;)
:rollin
That would be the coolest thing ever, especially if he pretends to sing too...
Well, he already kinda does that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on June 05, 2015, 04:35:42 PM
So you are saying, JP will be playing air guitar?   ??? ;)
:rollin
That would be the coolest thing ever, especially if he pretends to sing too...
Well, he already kinda does that.
:lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 05, 2015, 05:08:23 PM
And if anybody remembers the initial teaser video of BTFW, that was damn close to air guitar as well :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 05, 2015, 08:29:08 PM
The Answer Lies Within (has this ever actually been played live???)
Unfortunately, yes.

Never played?

RAW DOG!
SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH

I think Raw Dog would actually work well live. It's a high energy song and those type of songs are usually well suited for a live setting.

Truth.  So much energy, so powah!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 05, 2015, 10:17:36 PM
Explain.

Well, see, when you take one of those out of the rack, fret notes with your left hand, and simultaneously strike the strings with the right hand, while the instrument is plugged in, it makes cool sounds.

Hope that helps!  :D
Oh my God. You're saying I've been playing the guitar wrong this whole time?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Bertielee on June 06, 2015, 01:22:31 AM
I also like it when JR goes ethnic :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z2RyLKONfI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z2RyLKONfI)

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 06, 2015, 12:15:47 PM
Oh god, that was fucking phenomenal.

Just imagine DT used that stuff to make something similar to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1-7kCAK4Nc
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on June 06, 2015, 02:43:08 PM
I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.
Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: zecawolf on June 07, 2015, 10:22:10 AM
any news about the new release?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on June 07, 2015, 11:58:35 AM
any news about the new release?

If there was, the page count for this thread would go through the roof. You would know about it straight away.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 07, 2015, 05:56:05 PM
I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.
Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 07, 2015, 07:10:06 PM
I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.
Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.

Guilty as charged! Them playing it live has sparked my interest in TSF big time!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 07, 2015, 07:35:47 PM
I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.
Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.

Guilty as charged! Them playing it live has sparked my interest in TSF big time!

Me too although I think it translates live MUCH better than in the studio.  There are some songs that just take a live performance to change your mind about the song but with this one, I think it is definitely better served in a live setting.  I still don't really dig the studio version that much. 

For what its worth, I like Raw Dog but I could live without it. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 07, 2015, 09:57:53 PM
I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.
Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.

Guilty as charged! Them playing it live has sparked my interest in TSF big time!

Me too although I think it translates live MUCH better than in the studio.  There are some songs that just take a live performance to change your mind about the song but with this one, I think it is definitely better served in a live setting.  I still don't really dig the studio version that much. 

Count me amongst the swayed as well. The studio version does little for me but that live version on the last DVD was pretty great! It's like a whole different song....different feel. Mangini owns that song and sounded awesome playing it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on June 08, 2015, 02:52:10 AM
I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.
Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.
Well, I think any hatred of TSF was totally unreasonable and I wasn't even slightly surprised at how good it was live. It's a great song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Mladen on June 08, 2015, 04:05:53 AM
The Shattered fortress is still one of my least favorite Dream Theater songs, but there are some great bits in it and it was worth seeing it live just for those little bits and sections. I was impressed that they decided to play it for the first time and perform it with so much power and attitude, even though I'm not too crazy about it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2015, 06:51:47 AM
TSF was always good, but that BTFW version is really awesome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 08, 2015, 09:45:52 AM
I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.
Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.
Well, I think any hatred of TSF was totally unreasonable and I wasn't even slightly surprised at how good it was live. It's a great song.

This.  But I still will give Scotty's point some support by pointing out the example of SDV, which I have long held to be one of DT's absolute worst songs, but yet was one of my personal highlights of BTFW.

But to bring that back to Raw Dog, I do not expect something similar.  SDV got a revamp.  Raw Dog just isn't very good as a complete song.  I have a difficult time seeing how it could be improved on significantly in a live setting.  And I have an even more difficult time seeing the band wanting to play it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2015, 11:59:48 AM
If they can make Enigma Machine sound interesting live, then surely Raw Dog, which is far better to begin with, would be awesome live.

But..not expecting to see it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 08, 2015, 12:17:02 PM
The Shattered fortress is still one of my least favorite Dream Theater songs, but there are some great bits in it and it was worth seeing it live just for those little bits and sections. I was impressed that they decided to play it for the first time and perform it with so much power and attitude, even though I'm not too crazy about it.
Yeah that took me completely by surprise. I was under the impression that that track would only be played if they did the whole suite.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2015, 12:32:30 PM
The Shattered Fortress might have been good live if Petrucci's guitar sound didn't butcher those low notes.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RoeDent on June 08, 2015, 12:40:03 PM
I actually agree. I don't particularly like Enigma Machine as an album track, but live it's much more entertaining.
Same, though I'm not sure Raw Dog would be as fun.
Perhaps, but let's remember how much TSF was hated here until they finally did it live. All of the sudden, a lot of people made a complete 180 and start liking the song. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened with Raw Dog as well.

If that's all it takes to make people like a song, then they should play Anna Lee live.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2015, 12:47:07 PM
Raw Dog isn't that bad. The intro kinda sucks and goes on too long, but once the song gets going, it's pretty cool.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2015, 03:06:42 PM
I also enjoy Raw Dog, it seems a bit of a mish mash of different/cool riffs that were just pulled together to make an instrumental for a video game and if you take it like that and not as some serious song, then it can be fun and enjoyable.  Theres lots of cool riffs in that song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: The Fatal Tragedy on June 08, 2015, 06:16:41 PM
Raw Dog might not sound exactly as it was originally intended by the band. I don't quite remember what specific interview it came from, but Jordan Rudess stated that when writing Raw Dog they had originally incorporated the main melody/motif used in the soundtrack to the God of War franchise into the track but they couldn't use it due to copyright related issues.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 08, 2015, 07:34:50 PM
Raw Dog isn't that bad. The intro kinda sucks and goes on too long, but once the song gets going, it's pretty cool.

The intro is the BEST part for me.  It's a great dismantling of a power chord.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on June 08, 2015, 07:47:06 PM
I don't remember The Shattered Fortress being that hated around here. ???  I've always liked it, and still think it is the 3rd best song of the suite (behind Glass Prison and Repentance).  It having so many parts from the previous songs doesn't bother me that much since I almost never listen to The Root... or This Dying Soul.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on June 08, 2015, 07:55:15 PM
Kev, Repentance?  Man that's the worst song of the Suite.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Sacul on June 08, 2015, 08:41:27 PM
Kev, Repentance?  Man that's the best song of the Suite.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on June 08, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
Kev, Repentance?  Man that's the worst song of the Suite.

No way.  It's a song with a lovely melody, and I actually like the long ending; the vibe is very nice.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Nearmyth on June 08, 2015, 09:34:37 PM
and I actually like the long ending; the vibe is very nice.

Marry me?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 08, 2015, 10:23:16 PM
The only problem with Repentance is that it drags on about 4 minutes too long. Other than that, it's really good (I'd still put it second last, but it's still well ahead of TSF).

Raw Dog might not sound exactly as it was originally intended by the band. I don't quite remember what specific interview it came from, but Jordan Rudess stated that when writing Raw Dog they had originally incorporated the main melody/motif used in the soundtrack to the God of War franchise into the track but they couldn't use it due to copyright related issues.

I think you're thinking of the samples. I don't recall anything about a main melody, but they originally had game samples at the end of the song, which they were eventually not allowed to use.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Voices on June 09, 2015, 04:16:52 AM
Repentance has a extremely deep and beautiful melody, but the biggest problem IMO are those samples of other artists talking about their personal deceptions and stuff...the song would've been A LOT better if there was a tasteful and long moog solo, a la This Is The Life, or a freakin' lapsteel like the one from 8V into. I do like Repentance, and I have to say that I love JP's solo too...but it is my least favorite from the suite.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2015, 06:58:52 AM
I also enjoy Raw Dog, it seems a bit of a mish mash of different/cool riffs that were just pulled together to make an instrumental for a video game and if you take it like that and not as some serious song, then it can be fun and enjoyable. 
Well, it's not "for a video game" in the sense that it is background music for the game.  It was for the release of the game - it was written to be on a companion collection of music put together to help promote the game.  None of that music is in the game.

Besides, there is no reason not to take it as a serious song.  They wrote it and released it with their name on it, so it gets judged just like all of their other songs.  I'm glad you like it, but it shouldn't get a pass for any reason.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2015, 07:13:53 AM
I also enjoy Raw Dog, it seems a bit of a mish mash of different/cool riffs that were just pulled together to make an instrumental for a video game and if you take it like that and not as some serious song, then it can be fun and enjoyable. 
Well, it's not "for a video game" in the sense that it is background music for the game.  It was for the release of the game - it was written to be on a companion collection of music put together to help promote the game.  None of that music is in the game.

Besides, there is no reason not to take it as a serious song.  They wrote it and released it with their name on it, so it gets judged just like all of their other songs.  I'm glad you like it, but it shouldn't get a pass for any reason.

I know it was not used in the video game, my wording was confusing, but Im not sure how to take the song seriously.  Just because the band puts their name on it does not make it automatically a serious song.  Other than having the DT name on it, what of the actual music would make someone take that song seriously?  Is the band not allowed to right a song that is just fun and not meant to be anything more than that?  Im not even sure thats the case, thats just the feeling I get from listening to the music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2015, 07:16:00 AM
Kev, Repentance?  Man that's the best song of the Suite.
Fixed.

Without my permission.  Bant! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2015, 07:19:20 AM
I also enjoy Raw Dog, it seems a bit of a mish mash of different/cool riffs that were just pulled together to make an instrumental for a video game and if you take it like that and not as some serious song, then it can be fun and enjoyable. 
Well, it's not "for a video game" in the sense that it is background music for the game.  It was for the release of the game - it was written to be on a companion collection of music put together to help promote the game.  None of that music is in the game.

Besides, there is no reason not to take it as a serious song.  They wrote it and released it with their name on it, so it gets judged just like all of their other songs.  I'm glad you like it, but it shouldn't get a pass for any reason.

I know it was not used in the video game, my wording was confusing, but Im not sure how to take the song seriously.  Just because the band puts their name on it does not make it automatically a serious song.  Other than having the DT name on it, what of the actual music would make someone take that song seriously?  Is the band not allowed to right a song that is just fun and not meant to be anything more than that?  Im not even sure thats the case, thats just the feeling I get from listening to the music.
They are professional musicians that were hired to provide a song for this.  It's not any different than other artists having songs on a film soundtrack.  I just don't understand in any way why the song should be judged any other way than any other song they have released.

The reason that it's hard to take seriously is that it's awful.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2015, 08:50:55 AM
Hef, I don't agree with your logic on this one.  Just because the band put their name on a song and released it does not NECESSARILY mean it was intended to be taken seriously.  Do you think ’Mission from ‘arry’ was intended by Iron Maiden to be taken seriously and judged by the same criteria as ANY of their album tracks?  I really don't think so.  From what I seem to recall the band saying about Raw Dog when it was released, the band was just goofing around with some leftover ideas and not trying to write a fully fleshed out song.  I'm not saying that somehow elevates it.  It doesn't.  But because of the context in which it was created, it is fairly obvious to me that it should not even really be considered and ranked alongside their "official" material.  You can certainly do that if you like.  But to me, it doesn't make much sense. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dream Team on June 09, 2015, 08:55:22 AM
Kev, Repentance?  Man that's the best song of the Suite.
Fixed.

Yup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on June 09, 2015, 08:55:49 AM
More to the point, cramx didn't say the song shouldn't be taken seriously, he said it wasn't serious (which I took to mean serious in tone). DT have other, similarly non-serious songs, like Enigma Machine, a comparison that was made earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2015, 09:07:14 AM
Kev, Repentance?  Man that's the best song of the Suite.
Fixed.

Yup

Nope.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlackInk on June 09, 2015, 10:01:05 AM
Repentance has a extremely deep and beautiful melody, but the biggest problem IMO are those samples of other artists talking about their personal deceptions and stuff...the song would've been A LOT better if there was a tasteful and long moog solo, a la This Is The Life, or a freakin' lapsteel like the one from 8V into. I do like Repentance, and I have to say that I love JP's solo too...but it is my least favorite from the suite.

I really like that bit. It's personal, and not just fake personal for the sake of a song, this is actual personal things, which makes it sort of powerful for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2015, 10:20:44 AM
Hef, I don't agree with your logic on this one.  Just because the band put their name on a song and released it does not NECESSARILY mean it was intended to be taken seriously.  Do you think ’Mission from ‘arry’ was intended by Iron Maiden to be taken seriously and judged by the same criteria as ANY of their album tracks?  I really don't think so.  From what I seem to recall the band saying about Raw Dog when it was released, the band was just goofing around with some leftover ideas and not trying to write a fully fleshed out song.  I'm not saying that somehow elevates it.  It doesn't.  But because of the context in which it was created, it is fairly obvious to me that it should not even really be considered and ranked alongside their "official" material.  You can certainly do that if you like.  But to me, it doesn't make much sense.
I don't like Iron Maiden, so I have no idea what that song is.  But I don't see how it would have any bearing on this.

I don't remember the phrase "goofing around" in conjunction with Raw Dog, or any other info coming from the band in any way saying that it was seen by them as "less than" their other compositions or not to be serious.  Certainly it was assembled from other unused parts of songs they had lying around.

In short, take it however you want, but I have certainly never seen anything from the band to the effect that this song is less serious than anything else they've written.  In fact, they promoted it quite heavily, so if they actually blatantly half-assed it, I would be kind of upset, since I paid for it.

More to the point, cramx didn't say the song shouldn't be taken seriously, he said it wasn't serious (which I took to mean serious in tone). DT have other, similarly non-serious songs, like Enigma Machine, a comparison that was made earlier in the thread.
Where does it follow that Enigma Machine isn't serious?  What does that even mean?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on June 09, 2015, 10:49:43 AM
Raw Dog is also the only DT track not on a DT release I believe, maybe there is something to be said about that.  Regardless, my point was the song doesn't sound serious and was meant as my opinion and I will also reiterate that I enjoy the song.  But I will agree with he point Bosk made, just because a band puts its name on it, doesn't automatically make the song "serious".  Many of bands have done purely stupid songs such as the IM track mentioned, but I am sure we can find many more examples from various bands.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2015, 11:20:05 AM
Raw Dog is also the only DT track not on a DT release I believe, maybe there is something to be said about that.  Regardless, my point was the song doesn't sound serious and was meant as my opinion and I will also reiterate that I enjoy the song.  But I will agree with he point Bosk made, just because a band puts its name on it, doesn't automatically make the song "serious".  Many of bands have done purely stupid songs such as the IM track mentioned, but I am sure we can find many more examples from various bands.
I'm not sure that it matters whether other bands would do it.  It only matters whether or not DT would do it.

If that's what they said, then I missed it.  Without that, I see no reason to take it as anything different than the rest of their output.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on June 09, 2015, 11:26:22 AM
Kev, Repentance?  Man that's the best song of the Suite.
Fixed.

Yup

Nope.

Nope.

The Root Of All Evil > The Glass Prison > Honor Thy Father > The Shattered Fortress > Repentance.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on June 09, 2015, 11:38:41 AM
Hef, I don't agree with your logic on this one.  Just because the band put their name on a song and released it does not NECESSARILY mean it was intended to be taken seriously.  Do you think ’Mission from ‘arry’ was intended by Iron Maiden to be taken seriously and judged by the same criteria as ANY of their album tracks?  I really don't think so.  From what I seem to recall the band saying about Raw Dog when it was released, the band was just goofing around with some leftover ideas and not trying to write a fully fleshed out song.  I'm not saying that somehow elevates it.  It doesn't.  But because of the context in which it was created, it is fairly obvious to me that it should not even really be considered and ranked alongside their "official" material.  You can certainly do that if you like.  But to me, it doesn't make much sense.
I don't like Iron Maiden, so I have no idea what that song is.  But I don't see how it would have any bearing on this.

I don't remember the phrase "goofing around" in conjunction with Raw Dog, or any other info coming from the band in any way saying that it was seen by them as "less than" their other compositions or not to be serious.  Certainly it was assembled from other unused parts of songs they had lying around.

In short, take it however you want, but I have certainly never seen anything from the band to the effect that this song is less serious than anything else they've written.  In fact, they promoted it quite heavily, so if they actually blatantly half-assed it, I would be kind of upset, since I paid for it.

It's actually hilarious, if you ask me; it's a b-side from around the time of Piece of Mind, and it's a backstage argument between Steve Harris and Nicko McBrain, surrepticiously recorded by Bruce.  Harris sent his roadie to give a message to Nicko about his bass rig (the "mission from Harris") and the roadie screwed up Nicko's playing.  After about three and a half minutes of arguing, Harris says "some c***'s recording this" and it clicks off.  More audio verite than song.   There's better examples in the Maiden catalogue ("The Sheriff of Huddersfield", "Black Bart Blues").   

Here's the thing:  Maiden's tongue in cheek b-sides are legendary.   What are Dream Theater's?  Eve?  That's a serious instrumental; so why isn't Raw Dog? I'm not arguing (I don't know where I fall yet, and I haven't listened to Raw Dog in ages), just asking questions.

I think I am most disturbed by the "I don't like Iron Maiden" part.  Is that legal?  Can you do that?  :)

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2015, 11:45:05 AM
I can do it.

Also, in this particular discussion, I am attempting to leave like/dislike for the song aside, and just talking about how it should be viewed in relation to the rest of their output.  Until I see a reason to treat it differently, I see no reason to do so.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 09, 2015, 11:59:14 AM
While I don't agree with hef's feelings on Raw Dog (IMO, it's a decent song, but not great), I do agree with his assertion that the song is not simply the band goofing off. While I do remember reading some interviews reading about how the song came about (being put together from unused ideas from the BCaSL writing sessions, keeping it instrumental) I don't recall any comments at all about it being something they threw together without any thought or that it was intentionally done as a goof.

And not to get off track, but Bosk cited Iron Maiden's "Mission From 'Arry" which for those not in the know, simply was an argument between Maiden's bassist and Maiden's drummer, secretly recorded by Maiden's vocalist. Comparing that or tracks like Black Bart Blues or The Sheriff of Huddersfield to Raw Dog is pretty far off as it was evident that they were just goofing off. It would be more fair to compare those tracks to the 7 mini guitar songs (John Thinks He's Yngwie Song, etc.) found on the Majesty demos.

edit: Stads beat me to it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2015, 12:21:46 PM
To clarify for the record, I am not saying that Raw Dog was intended to be anywhere near the degree of "casual" as "Mission From 'Arry."  Merely making the point that there is not reason to assume that, just because a serious band officially releases something, the band must somehow have intended it to be up to the same standards as their most polished, produced material.  There are degrees of "seriousness"/"casualness."  Call it a spectrum, if you like.  That's all I was trying to point out by referencing that...er...song.  Sorry for not being more clear.

With respect to Raw Dog, again, I am not suggesting it is on the same level of "goofing around" as "Mission From 'Arry."  But from what I remember being said about it by the band, combined with the fact that it was merely released on a video game "soundtrack" (for lack of a better term), it is fairly obvious to me that the band was far more casual about this track than their album material.  As such, I can easily write it off as a casual little release that I don't judge against their other material.  Yeah, it is part of the DT catalog.  And, yeah, it is something I never care to listen to.  And beyond that, I don't even really register it.


EDIT:  And, Hef, for your edification:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q0bGH8ScxE  (the description of what is actually going on is probably more helpful (and perhaps funnier) than the actual audio)

EDIT2:  This description of it by Bruce, Steve, and Nicko is actually funnier than the actual recording:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzN9JvDT0Oc
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Magikernandy on June 09, 2015, 01:05:33 PM
I thought about asking this question in a dedicated thread but instead will ask here.

What do you think this next album means to DT?

-Nothing more than any other album in their past. Everything is fine. Nothing to prove. Just try to make music they are happy with.
-Needs to make a statement. Attendance trending slightly down. Album sales trending slightly down.
-Want to make a significant artistic statement late in career. Nothing else is more important.

There are many other possible questions, I'm just wondering what they actually set out to do when they had their meeting(s) prior
to getting into the studio. And after 30 years as a band I'm curious as to what others think. I would have loved to be a fly on the
wall and hear their comments on this album.

I think it depends a lot on MM. I think he will be more involved in the songwriting and if his ideas fit the band they will go on with Mangini (if he wants too).

They won´t change anything unless MM is pushing them in a different direction, it will be just another DT album that sound pretty similar to their last album.

Something tells me that Mangini  won´t stay in the long run. I hope I ´m wrong though.

Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: wizard of Thought on June 09, 2015, 02:43:48 PM
Kev, Repentance?  Man that's the best song of the Suite.
Fixed.

Yup

Nope.

Nope.

The Root Of All Evil > The Glass Prison > Honor Thy Father > The Shattered Fortress > Repentance.

I think you got something wrong right there  ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Kotowboy on June 09, 2015, 03:22:02 PM
Oh crap :lol. What's the second one called again ? This Dying Soul.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on June 09, 2015, 04:03:21 PM
and I actually like the long ending; the vibe is very nice.

Marry me?

 :lol

 :tup :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2015, 04:26:25 PM
To me, that part of the song is a really cool, ingenious device for conveying the point of that step of the 12 step program in a unique and personal way.  Unfortunately, to me (and I think many others), it just isn't something that is interesting to listen to repeatedly as part of a song.  I still think it is really cool.  But the novelty wore off after the first few listens, and I just do not feel like it is enjoyable to actually sit and listen to.  It makes the song just feel too long and drawn out, and it just seems to plod and meander.  It is a case of "brilliant concept that falls flat in the execution."  That is why, although there is nothing that I actively dislike about the song and plenty that I do like, it still ranks VERY low for me and doesn't have a lot of replay-ability.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2015, 04:31:03 PM
To me, that part of the song is a really cool, ingenious device for conveying the point of that step of the 12 step program in a unique and personal way.  Unfortunately, to me (and I think many others), it just isn't something that is interesting to listen to repeatedly as part of a song.  I still think it is really cool.  But the novelty wore off after the first few listens, and I just do not feel like it is enjoyable to actually sit and listen to.  It makes the song just feel too long and drawn out, and it just seems to plod and meander.  It is a case of "brilliant concept that falls flat in the execution."  That is why, although there is nothing that I actively dislike about the song and plenty that I do like, it still ranks VERY low for me and doesn't have a lot of replay-ability.
I agree with all of that.

Also, the intro is too long.

The actual song is pretty great.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on June 09, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
To me, that part of the song is a really cool, ingenious device for conveying the point of that step of the 12 step program in a unique and personal way.  Unfortunately, to me (and I think many others), it just isn't something that is interesting to listen to repeatedly as part of a song.  I still think it is really cool.  But the novelty wore off after the first few listens, and I just do not feel like it is enjoyable to actually sit and listen to.  It makes the song just feel too long and drawn out, and it just seems to plod and meander.  It is a case of "brilliant concept that falls flat in the execution."  That is why, although there is nothing that I actively dislike about the song and plenty that I do like, it still ranks VERY low for me and doesn't have a lot of replay-ability.
This is how I feel. I think it's a cool song, and I'm glad they have it in their catalog, but I hardly ever listen to it, unless I'm committed to listening to the album in full.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 09, 2015, 04:52:41 PM
To clarify for the record, I am not saying that Raw Dog was intended to be anywhere near the degree of "casual" as "Mission From 'Arry."  Merely making the point that there is not reason to assume that, just because a serious band officially releases something, the band must somehow have intended it to be up to the same standards as their most polished, produced material.  There are degrees of "seriousness"/"casualness."  Call it a spectrum, if you like.  That's all I was trying to point out by referencing that...er...song.  Sorry for not being more clear.

With respect to Raw Dog, again, I am not suggesting it is on the same level of "goofing around" as "Mission From 'Arry."  But from what I remember being said about it by the band, combined with the fact that it was merely released on a video game "soundtrack" (for lack of a better term), it is fairly obvious to me that the band was far more casual about this track than their album material.  As such, I can easily write it off as a casual little release that I don't judge against their other material.  Yeah, it is part of the DT catalog.  And, yeah, it is something I never care to listen to.  And beyond that, I don't even really register it.

I do think it's true that they may not have taken as much time to craft or develop this song as they have with others, but then again, they already had various parts of songs already in the can looking for a home, so they didn't need to take the same amount of time that they would have if they had started writing fresh. Plus IIRC, they were under a relatively tight timeline to do the song - can't remember if it was due to touring commitments, other things scheduled, or if the song was needed within a short period of time. In any case, I'd wager they worked as hard on that song as they could given the time frame. Does it mean that it's of the caliber of most of the songs in their catalog? Maybe not. But it's an interesting song that is different and one that I like being in the catalog, even if I don't listen to it often

As for it being something that you acknowledge as being in the catalog but something that you don't really register, you hate Eve, Hell's Kitchen and the studio version of Space Dye Vest, so I wouldn't consider that added detail as having much weight on the seriousness/casualness of Raw Dog.  :P ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2015, 04:56:21 PM
As for it being something that you acknowledge as being in the catalog but something that you don't really register, you hate Eve, Hell's Kitchen and the studio version of Space Dye Vest, so I wouldn't consider that added detail as having much weight on the seriousness/casualness of Raw Dog.  :P ;D
Yes, but I don't hate those other songs because they are not "serious."  I just don't like them because they are not good songs.  There is a difference.

But, hey, I'll give DT half a dozen "not good songs" out of the 100 or so that they've written.  They've more than earned my fan-dom, many times over.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Skeever on June 09, 2015, 06:04:47 PM
I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions. At least I can say Eve, Hell's Kitchen, and Space Dye-Vest are really beautiful and atmospheric outlines, which I prefer wholeheartedly over the really violent and aggressive sounding Raw Dog. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Stadler on June 09, 2015, 06:52:04 PM

EDIT:  And, Hef, for your edification:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q0bGH8ScxE  (the description of what is actually going on is probably more helpful (and perhaps funnier) than the actual audio)

EDIT2:  This description of it by Bruce, Steve, and Nicko is actually funnier than the actual recording:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzN9JvDT0Oc

I'm sorry, but that makes me laugh every time I hear it.  I remember getting that 12" Maxi single and hearing that and going "Wha?".   That was the day of cassette decks in your car, so the end of every Maiden tape would be the last song ending, and then ".... some c***'s recording this".   Good times.

(By the way, Maiden is top three - with Genesis and Oasis - as band with the best b-sides.)
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TAC on June 09, 2015, 07:10:27 PM
Mission From 'Arry might just be the greatest thing any band has ever released.

Major props to the band for allowing such a thing to heard in public.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 10, 2015, 01:57:24 AM
My recollection was that the band was flattered and honored to be asked to contribute a song to the video game, and they viewed it as a feather in their cap.  Much in the way DT would love to someday be involved with scoring a movie.  They dropped everything on short notice and cut short their post-holiday break with their families, so yeah my guess is that they took the assignment pretty seriously.   They saw it as an opportunity to grow their brand and reach into a new market.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: me7 on June 10, 2015, 01:59:58 AM
...Hell's Kitchen...feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions...

Couldn't disagree more.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: ariich on June 10, 2015, 02:17:52 AM
As for it being something that you acknowledge as being in the catalog but something that you don't really register, you hate Eve, Hell's Kitchen and the studio version of Space Dye Vest, so I wouldn't consider that added detail as having much weight on the seriousness/casualness of Raw Dog.  :P ;D
Yes, but I don't hate those other songs because they are not "serious."  I just don't like them because they are not good songs.  There is a difference.

But, hey, I'll give DT half a dozen "not good songs" out of the 100 or so that they've written.  They've more than earned my fan-dom, many times over.
u crazy

Those are three of DT's nicest songs, IMO.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 10, 2015, 06:49:26 AM
uh... oh....

Every day I come here to watch if there's anything new but no... just the same Raw Dog discussions :D


A little bit of news could be refreshing, just a little video clip, interview, something...
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 10, 2015, 07:51:49 AM
I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions.
??? ??? ???

I get Raw Dog, but those other three are definitely complete.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 10, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions.
??? ??? ???

I get Raw Dog, but those other three are definitely complete.

I agree. The other three are perfect the way they are.

I've listened to Raw Dog literally one time... that's how impressed I was by it. I personally don't consider it a "real" DT song. They were hired to write some notes for a video game. JMX wasn't even present for any of the writing process (from what I recall from an interview from MP) and it seemed like just a mish mash of notes anyway.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 10, 2015, 09:59:46 AM
I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions.
??? ??? ???

I get Raw Dog, but those other three are definitely complete.

I wouldn't call Hell's Kitchen a complete song. It's the instrumental section that was taken out of Buring my Soul with an ending added just so it can segue into Lines in the Sand. It wasn't originally intended to be a full, standalone song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 10, 2015, 10:04:29 AM
I wouldn't call Hell's Kitchen a complete song. It's the instrumental section that was taken out of Buring my Soul with an ending added just so it can segue into Lines in the Sand. It wasn't originally intended to be a full, standalone song.

Yup, exactly.  If not for the fact that it serves as an intro to Lines In The Sand, they would have been better off scrapping it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 10, 2015, 10:07:04 AM
I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions.
??? ??? ???

I get Raw Dog, but those other three are definitely complete.

I wouldn't call Hell's Kitchen a complete song. It's the instrumental section that was taken out of Buring my Soul with an ending added just so it can segue into Lines in the Sand. It wasn't originally intended to be a full, standalone song.

It wasn't originally intended to be a full standalone song, but they turned it into one by completing it. All of those listed songs are complete songs. I don't understand this argument at all.

Also, you people have no souls. Hell's Kitchen is beautiful.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 10, 2015, 10:07:39 AM
I wouldn't call Hell's Kitchen a complete song. It's the instrumental section that was taken out of Buring my Soul with an ending added just so it can segue into Lines in the Sand. It wasn't originally intended to be a full, standalone song.

Yup, exactly.  If not for the fact that it serves as an intro to Lines In The Sand, they would have been better off scrapping it.
You're a silly person.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2015, 10:13:16 AM
I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions.
??? ??? ???

I get Raw Dog, but those other three are definitely complete.

I wouldn't call Hell's Kitchen a complete song. It's the instrumental section that was taken out of Buring my Soul with an ending added just so it can segue into Lines in the Sand. It wasn't originally intended to be a full, standalone song.

It wasn't originally intended to be a full standalone song, but they turned it into one by completing it. All of those listed songs are complete songs. I don't understand this argument at all.

Also, you people have no souls. Hell's Kitchen is beautiful.

I agree with this, personal opinion on the song aside, it did end up being a complete song even though it was not meant to be.  I also do like this, but I think I like Raw Dog better  :lol  Got to keep the Raw Dog talk going  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on June 10, 2015, 11:28:05 AM
So, given the last two album titles and track lists were announced in June of their respective years (and DT seems to be on the same schedule considering Jordan stating a few months ago that they're expecting a september release), should we be expecting some info in the coming days/weeks?
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: bosk1 on June 10, 2015, 11:32:59 AM
No.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: cramx3 on June 10, 2015, 11:57:12 AM
I would say its possible for a slight snippet of info during one of their shows this summer, something along the lines of "we are working on a new album that we hope to have out in early 2016" or something like that, but I doubt anything more and even that may be a long shot.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: comment on June 10, 2015, 04:49:01 PM
We need to start a prediction thread.  What date will DT give an update on the new album?  Whoever guesses the closest date could win ...  Some.. Kudos or something.  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: PetFish on June 10, 2015, 08:32:05 PM
I think if Hell's Kitchen is left off of the next tour Dream Theater should get a thousand paper cuts.

It hasn't been played live since the late 90s and even then it was only for a few shows so we have no real good bootleg of it and definitely no official live version.

Also, it's totally complete, it has a nice intro bit, a beefy middle, and a majestic ending.  There are no cut/paste moments like in The Dance of Eternity or Raw Dog.  Taking Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul was a brilliant move by DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 10, 2015, 11:12:03 PM
Taking Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul was a brilliant move by DT.

IIRC that move was made by Kevin Shirley. But yeah, that was brilliant move anyways.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on June 11, 2015, 09:15:22 AM
To me, that part of the song is a really cool, ingenious device for conveying the point of that step of the 12 step program in a unique and personal way.  Unfortunately, to me (and I think many others), it just isn't something that is interesting to listen to repeatedly as part of a song.  I still think it is really cool.  But the novelty wore off after the first few listens, and I just do not feel like it is enjoyable to actually sit and listen to.  It makes the song just feel too long and drawn out, and it just seems to plod and meander.  It is a case of "brilliant concept that falls flat in the execution."  That is why, although there is nothing that I actively dislike about the song and plenty that I do like, it still ranks VERY low for me and doesn't have a lot of replay-ability.
I agree with all of that.

Also, the intro is too long.

The actual song is pretty great.

All of this. These are the reasons I think the Flying Colors version is waaay better.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: Dream Team on June 11, 2015, 12:57:04 PM
I think if Hell's Kitchen is left off of the next tour Dream Theater should get a thousand paper cuts.

It hasn't been played live since the late 90s and even then it was only for a few shows so we have no real good bootleg of it and definitely no official live version.

Also, it's totally complete, it has a nice intro bit, a beefy middle, and a majestic ending.  There are no cut/paste moments like in The Dance of Eternity or Raw Dog.  Taking Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul was a brilliant move by DT.

No, it was played on the Six Degrees tour. Plus there are much more glaring omissions in the recent set lists.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 11, 2015, 01:01:48 PM

Plus there are much more glaring omissions in the recent set lists.

My wish list includes but is not limited to:

- Behind the Veil
- The Glass Prison
- A Change of Seasons
- Blind Faith
- Misunderstood
- Learning to Live
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 01:14:30 PM
I think if Hell's Kitchen is left off of the next tour Dream Theater should get a thousand paper cuts.

It hasn't been played live since the late 90s and even then it was only for a few shows so we have no real good bootleg of it and definitely no official live version.

Also, it's totally complete, it has a nice intro bit, a beefy middle, and a majestic ending.  There are no cut/paste moments like in The Dance of Eternity or Raw Dog.  Taking Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul was a brilliant move by DT.

No, it was played on the Six Degrees tour.
Hell's Kitchen was not played on the Six Degrees tour.

The outro from Hell's Kitchen was used as the outro of the Instrumedley, which was played on the Six Degrees tour (and once on the TOT tour, at Budokan).

The song itself has only been performed by Dream Theater 4 times, all in December of 1998.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 11, 2015, 02:48:51 PM
I think if Hell's Kitchen is left off of the next tour Dream Theater should get a thousand paper cuts.

It hasn't been played live since the late 90s

No, it was played on the Six Degrees tour.

The song itself has only been performed by Dream Theater 4 times, all in December of 1998.

One of the best DT shows I've been to, included the live debut of Where Are You Now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: rumborak on June 11, 2015, 03:56:09 PM
This thread is in a serious need of a renaming.
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 04:01:06 PM
This thread is in a serious need of a renaming.
How did I do?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on June 11, 2015, 04:34:04 PM
:lol

Perfect.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on June 11, 2015, 04:42:47 PM
 :lol

Your hired!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on June 11, 2015, 06:06:55 PM
you made me think there was news  :-[
Title: Re: Dream Theater in the Studio February
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2015, 06:15:09 PM

 Hell's Kitchen was not played on the Six Degrees tour.

The outro from Hell's Kitchen was used as the outro of the Instrumedley, which was played on the Six Degrees tour (and once on the TOT tour, at Budokan).

The song itself has only been performed by Dream Theater 4 times, all in December of 1998.

That is mind boggling to me.  For a band that has long been damn good at catering to the fans, to ignore a song, that is beloved by most of the fanbase, for this long is pretty unbelievable. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on June 11, 2015, 06:24:54 PM
It is?

Maybe the band/MP was never really satisfied with the final version, still possibly viewing it as an incomplete piece?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2015, 06:29:21 PM
Eh, personally, I think it was kind of arrogant confidence on Portnoy's part (him being the writer of the set list for every tour from FII through BC&SL), like, "We had it right the first time (the Burning My Soul demo), so we didn't need someone else to tell us what to do."  Playing it would be like admitting that someone else knew better than them how to make a song of theirs great.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on June 11, 2015, 06:31:29 PM
Right, that's what I was getting at.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2015, 06:39:03 PM

 Hell's Kitchen was not played on the Six Degrees tour.

The outro from Hell's Kitchen was used as the outro of the Instrumedley, which was played on the Six Degrees tour (and once on the TOT tour, at Budokan).

The song itself has only been performed by Dream Theater 4 times, all in December of 1998.

That is mind boggling to me.  For a band that has long been damn good at catering to the fans, to ignore a song, that is beloved by most of the fanbase, for this long is pretty unbelievable. 

???  That would seem to imply that there are more than a handful of people that like the song, wouldn't it?  I don't believe that is the case.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 11, 2015, 06:41:48 PM
I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.

I wouldn't say I dislike it.  I just don't find anything likeable about it.  It is hard for me to understand why it was released as a standalone song by a band who plays such complex music, since it just repeats the same 4 notes over and over and over for 10 minutes or however interminably long it drags on.  Yeah, that makes it easy for JP to throw down some tasty soloing over the same notes.  But I just don't need to hear a solo stretched out over the same 4 notes for so long without going anywhere. 
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Post by: TAC on June 11, 2015, 06:50:53 PM
I'm kinda with you Bosk on this one. I have never gotten the love for Hell's Kitchen. I think it speaks to the overall weakness of FII.
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Post by: rumborak on June 11, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
I love Hell's Kitchen. It's a rare DT instrumental that convinces through its simplicity. Essentially a good jam.
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Post by: Zook on June 11, 2015, 07:20:19 PM
Hell's Kitchen is great. I love the mellow atmosphere. It's just a nice, calm piece.
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Post by: Lucien on June 11, 2015, 07:27:57 PM
I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.
It is hard for me to understand why it was released as a standalone song by a band who plays such complex music, since it just repeats the same 4 notes over and over and over for 10 minutes or however interminably long it drags on.

The entire song is 4:22, the 4 note pattern starts at 3:18

bit of an exaggeration  :lol
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Post by: BlobVanDam on June 11, 2015, 09:24:57 PM
I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.

That. I wouldn't say it's close to universally loved, nor loathed. I think it's middle of the road as far as fan response goes. I'd love to hear them bust it out though. It worked so nicely in the Instrumedley.
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 11, 2015, 11:09:56 PM
We desperately need new album news. Desperately.
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Post by: ReaPsTA on June 12, 2015, 12:23:12 AM
Hell's Kitchen coherently goes from psychedelia to prog rock to heavy prog rock to epic prog metal in barely over four minutes.  One of the best mixed DT songs too (the bass is nice and loud).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 12, 2015, 02:08:11 AM
Hell's Kitchen coherently goes from psychedelia to prog rock to heavy prog rock to epic prog metal in barely over four minutes.  One of the best mixed DT songs too (the bass is nice and loud).
Have we given up talking about a new album and just started talking about random, unrelated songs?
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Post by: Zydar on June 12, 2015, 02:15:52 AM
Hell's Kitchen coherently goes from psychedelia to prog rock to heavy prog rock to epic prog metal in barely over four minutes.  One of the best mixed DT songs too (the bass is nice and loud).
Have we given up talking about a new album and just started talking about random, unrelated songs?

Welcome to the last 50 pages :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 12, 2015, 02:21:40 AM
It's either discuss random songs, or discuss nothing and lock the thread.


You know, I think you might be onto something here.......
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Post by: jonnybaxy on June 12, 2015, 06:04:34 AM
So how good is sandstorm - Darude?

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Post by: SuperTaco on June 12, 2015, 07:47:57 AM
The general dislike for HK makes me sad, but it can never take away my love for it. I take that song as its own entity, as I have since the first time.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 12, 2015, 07:51:40 AM
Hell's Kitchen coherently goes from psychedelia to prog rock to heavy prog rock to epic prog metal in barely over four minutes.  One of the best mixed DT songs too (the bass is nice and loud).
This exactly.  It is a wonderful composition, showing many different sides of the band's personality.
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Post by: wizard of Thought on June 12, 2015, 08:00:44 AM
So how good is sandstorm - Darude?

No, just pls no... :tdwn
Don`t even let this discussion start
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on June 12, 2015, 08:05:02 AM
I think what bosk points out dislikingly, i.e. the dwelling on simple note progressions, is exactly what I love about it. To some degree it's Pink Floydesque in that regard. Let the tune carry itself for a while, don't just make a hard cut to yet another theme just because you've played a certain progression twice.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Ħ on June 12, 2015, 09:44:16 AM
I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.

I wouldn't say I dislike it.  I just don't find anything likeable about it.  It is hard for me to understand why it was released as a standalone song by a band who plays such complex music, since it just repeats the same 4 notes over and over and over for 10 minutes or however interminably long it drags on.  Yeah, that makes it easy for JP to throw down some tasty soloing over the same notes.  But I just don't need to hear a solo stretched out over the same 4 notes for so long without going anywhere. 
When I read this, I thought you were describing Stream of Consciousness (in which case I concur). But Hell's Kitchen? It's relatively short and ends where it should.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 12, 2015, 01:37:04 PM
For anyone else who's attempted it, the unison section toward the end of Hell's Kitchen is super tricky to play.   This is probably where my appreciation of this song stems from.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on June 14, 2015, 06:35:41 PM
I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.

I wouldn't say I dislike it.  I just don't find anything likeable about it.  It is hard for me to understand why it was released as a standalone song by a band who plays such complex music, since it just repeats the same 4 notes over and over and over for 10 minutes or however interminably long it drags on.  Yeah, that makes it easy for JP to throw down some tasty soloing over the same notes.  But I just don't need to hear a solo stretched out over the same 4 notes for so long without going anywhere. 
When I read this, I thought you were describing Stream of Consciousness (in which case I concur). But Hell's Kitchen? It's relatively short and ends where it should.

Now that I think about it, yeah, SOC fits that description a hell of a lot more  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: PixelDream on June 15, 2015, 07:52:19 AM
Is Hell's Kitchen not a liked song generally speaking? I'm surprised. That outro is glorious and the intro is so mysterious, I love it.
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 15, 2015, 10:34:21 AM
That video of the band playing Hell's Kitchen with Portnoy's drums with his back to the crowd - was my first experience of any DT.
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Post by: Crow on June 15, 2015, 10:38:51 AM
hell's kitchen is still top ten DT imo
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: GasparXR on June 15, 2015, 11:22:52 AM
I would love for them to play Hell's Kitchen. It's a great instrumental.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Raise the Drum on June 15, 2015, 07:04:00 PM
Jordan posted this earlier today on FB

"Rehearsals have begun for the European tour. Time to sort through the gear!"

(https://i59.tinypic.com/ehxzl.jpg)


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Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on June 15, 2015, 07:05:43 PM
I like that filter.  Makes everything look cartoon-ish.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: emblempride on June 15, 2015, 09:41:18 PM
So how good is sandstorm - Darude?
It's my favorite song by Sandstorm
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Infinite Cactus on June 15, 2015, 10:43:16 PM
Jordan Darudess
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 16, 2015, 03:25:32 AM
I wish JR could just upload pics without drowning them in filters.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on June 16, 2015, 03:52:31 AM
I wish JR could just upload pics without Kotowboy bitching about filters.
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Post by: genome on June 16, 2015, 03:52:48 AM
I hope JP starts using the Mark V's again.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 16, 2015, 04:11:16 AM
...


So if they're packing up / setting up for the tour - that must mean that tracking is done ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 16, 2015, 06:45:05 AM
...


So if they're packing up / setting up for the tour - that must mean that tracking is done ?
Not really.

It could just as easily mean that they are done for now, and will resume after the tour.
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Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 16, 2015, 06:50:44 AM
...


So if they're packing up / setting up for the tour - that must mean that tracking is done ?
Not really.

It could just as easily mean that they are done for now, and will resume after the tour.

That's what I'd guess. Especially since they won't play any new songs, according to JP.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: RoeDent on June 16, 2015, 07:01:44 AM
Not really.

It could just as easily mean that they are done for now, and will resume after the tour.

That's what I'd guess. Especially since they won't play any new songs, according to JP.

I wonder if they booked this tour with the hope that they would have had a new song ready for performance, but things didn't go to plan. Idk.

Considering DT are one of the quicker studio-to-release bands out there, maybe they're just taking more time and care with this one. Trying to break out of the "studio-January-release-September" cycle that's been the case for the last two albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 16, 2015, 07:03:17 AM
You'll at least want the drums done so they sound consistent throughout the album.

Unless Mangini has more than one of his kit. One for studio. One for live ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on June 16, 2015, 07:23:50 AM
I suspect they are fully done, and they delay is purely due to timing. They don't want to mix album/single release with touring, and so they just let the material sit until the summer is over.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 16, 2015, 08:37:44 AM
You'll at least want the drums done so they sound consistent throughout the album.

Unless Mangini has more than one of his kit. One for studio. One for live ?

Why would the drums not sound consistent if you'd use them on the road? It's not that he keeps the same skins for years and years.
Apart from that, I think Mangini (or the company he gets his drums from) has plenty of his drums. I don't think you could count it in terms of kits, but my guess is that he could get spare drums whenever he wants to.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on June 16, 2015, 08:48:04 AM
It's probably more with regards to set-up in the studio rather than the drums themselves, mic placement, etc etc. For consistency it's best to set up and leave it, changing a mic just a little bit can drastically change the sound.

I doubt they would tear down in the middle of drum tracking. Mangini may have a 2nd kit for live use, but even then, they'd be paying for studio time all summer when they're not there. Doesn't make sense.

I'm going to guess that they've wrapped drums already, and are ready to record the rest when they get back.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 16, 2015, 08:54:49 AM
The drum tracks are usually one of the first things done when recording, so I expect that's done. They've probably at least got all of the basic tracks done at this point, and are probably working on solos, additional tracks, and lyrics/vocals.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 16, 2015, 09:17:28 AM
It's probably more with regards to set-up in the studio rather than the drums themselves, mic placement, etc etc. For consistency it's best to set up and leave it, changing a mic just a little bit can drastically change the sound.

Yes that.

it's why you normally find a great live room for the drums and you can record guitar amps anywhere and they'll sound the same.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 17, 2015, 05:11:46 AM
Exclusive look at Dream Theater's preparation for the summer tour!

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/dtsummertour_zpsu5i5cgio.gif)
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Post by: Zydar on June 17, 2015, 05:17:31 AM
:lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on June 17, 2015, 06:05:32 AM
Exclusive look at Dream Theater's preparation for the summer tour!

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/dtsummertour_zpsu5i5cgio.gif)

What a funny contraption. It looks like they're turning right into the crowd of people at the end.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on June 17, 2015, 06:06:40 AM
Guys roll by and I roll with them...
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on June 17, 2015, 06:08:30 AM
Looks more like The Geoff Tate band on tour.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ZKX-2099 on June 17, 2015, 06:09:05 AM
So that guy with the sax indicates they will be playing Another Day.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on June 17, 2015, 06:10:40 AM
He played in... Spyro Gyra right?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 17, 2015, 06:12:03 AM
Jay Beckenstein... right?


EDIT: Damn Zydar, ninjad.. :CJS:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bl5150 on June 17, 2015, 06:19:19 AM
 :lol to all
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 17, 2015, 08:12:03 AM
hmmm, Jordan posted a clip of ACOS to his fb... they're preparing for summer tour... Or why is he otherwise watching old videos...
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on June 17, 2015, 08:18:28 AM
hmmm, Jordan posted a clip of ACOS to his fb... they're preparing for summer tour... Or why is he otherwise watching old videos...

To troll us into a false hope?  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on June 17, 2015, 08:30:38 AM
I'd be shocked if they didn't play it on a 30th Anniversary Tour.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Dream Team on June 17, 2015, 08:36:37 AM
This year is the 20th anniversary of ACOS and the 10th anniversary of OV. How about "condensed" versions of both songs? (not medleys)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 17, 2015, 08:40:53 AM
This year is the 20th anniversary of ACOS and the 10th anniversary of OV. How about "condensed" versions of both songs? (not medleys)
No, full versions only.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2015, 08:54:35 AM
New Tour : Seasovarium.

Set 1 : A Change Of Seasons

Set 2 : Octavarium

Encore : Drum Solo
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: zecawolf on June 17, 2015, 08:56:29 AM
New Tour : Seasovarium.

Set 1 : A Change Of Seasons

Set 2 : Octavarium

Encore : Drum Solo

too short
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SkiFiX on June 17, 2015, 09:00:38 AM
Maybe the drum solo is about 1 hour... ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2015, 09:00:51 AM
Good job it's not real then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Bertielee on June 17, 2015, 09:00:58 AM
New Tour : Seasonovary, a Change of Menstruation. OK, sorry, I go....

B.Lee
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Post by: SkiFiX on June 17, 2015, 09:09:00 AM
Anyway I'm pretty sure that A Change of Season will come back for the next tour. ACOS would be very special and the perfect song to celebrate an anniversary.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ? on June 17, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
Looks more like The Geoff Tate band on tour.
The Way I Roll :P
hmmm, Jordan posted a clip of ACOS to his fb... they're preparing for summer tour... Or why is he otherwise watching old videos...
To troll us into a false hope?  :lol
If ACOS isn't in the opening night setlist, I'll scream "DAMMIT JORDAN!!!" and proceed to smash my tablet on the floor...

...or probably not, because it was pretty expensive. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on June 17, 2015, 12:35:15 PM
Octourvarium 10th Anniversary Summer Tour

Set 1: Octavarium
Set 2: Octavarium

Encore: Octavarium
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: GasparXR on June 17, 2015, 12:46:12 PM
Octourvarium 10th Anniversary Summer Tour

Set 1: Octavarium
Set 2: Octavarium

Encore: Octavarium

Well, it's a cycle, so the show should continue with Set -2 and Set -1 featuring the same after the Encore.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2015, 02:52:40 PM
Well set 1 should be Octavarium and Set 2 should be the 12SS then Set 3 should be Octavarium backwards.

The gig ends where it began. :dangerwillrobinson:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ninja1125 on June 17, 2015, 03:06:38 PM
Well set 1 should be Octavarium and Set 2 should be the 12SS then Set 3 should be Octavarium backwards.

The gig ends where it began. :dangerwillrobinson:
:rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 17, 2015, 03:29:43 PM
Well set 1 should be Octavarium and Set 2 should be the 12SS then Set 3 should be Octavarium backwards.

The gig ends where it began. :dangerwillrobinson:

:clap:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on June 17, 2015, 03:36:13 PM
Well set 1 should be Octavarium and Set 2 should be the 12SS then Set 3 should be Octavarium backwards.

The gig ends where it began. :dangerwillrobinson:

I've heard Muiravatco is great live.
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Post by: SuperTaco on June 17, 2015, 07:27:39 PM
Well set 1 should be Octavarium and Set 2 should be the 12SS then Set 3 should be Octavarium backwards.

The gig ends where it began. :dangerwillrobinson:

I've heard Muiravatco is great live.

Yawa Spils Ecneicsnoc Ym Sa
Raeppa Stceffe Edis
Em Etartlifni
Em Etacidem

That's pure emotion, right there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mikemangioy on June 18, 2015, 12:57:54 AM
The whole song is in 8/5
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on June 18, 2015, 01:25:29 AM
JR posted a speeded-up video pf the reharsal. Anyone with musical knowledge cares to slow it down and guess the song from the hand motion on the instruments? (Assuming they are indeed playing a song) :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 18, 2015, 01:34:12 AM
Figure out how to save the video, and I'd do that.
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Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 18, 2015, 02:32:00 AM
Figure out how to save the video, and I'd do that.

And Blob strikes!  :D
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Post by: Zydar on June 18, 2015, 02:32:37 AM
The Blobpire Strikes Back
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Nest777 on June 18, 2015, 02:50:59 AM
Figure out how to save the video, and I'd do that.
There you go  ;) https://mega.co.nz/#!uRhkBTrK!DrsqX27I6lR3jzGT03RtaQCkhCr89wJDDwEv48JCJjA
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ? on June 18, 2015, 03:28:40 AM
Could someone please take a screenshot of the paper at 0:22 and apply the CSI filter to it? :D It looks like a setlist.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 18, 2015, 03:40:17 AM
The one at 0:22 is too blurry, but the one at 6:00 I can sorta almost make out. I can make out Behind The Veil at the bottom. I'm CSI filtering it right now.
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 18, 2015, 03:46:39 AM
The song at 6:00 is 6:00 :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 18, 2015, 03:53:37 AM
:lol Actually it's at 6:03 (3 frames, 6.1 seconds).

I think I can make out Panic Attack. Not 100% on that.
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Post by: wasteland on June 18, 2015, 04:06:50 AM
:lol Actually it's at 6:03 (3 frames, 6.1 seconds).

I think I can make out Panic Attack. Not 100% on that.

So far it would be a 2/2 on my predicted setlist  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ? on June 18, 2015, 04:09:13 AM
I also downloaded the video, slowed it down and paused at 0:06. In addition to those two songs I can make out As I Am.

Maybe we should start a setlist spoiler thread where we can continue to investigate? :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 18, 2015, 04:10:55 AM
DT reading this thread :

:lol Ha ! they nothing...NOTHING...NOTH........what!?!?!?!?!  :omg: :omg: DAMMIT NOT AGAIN !!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 18, 2015, 04:13:24 AM
I think maybe As I Am. (edit - looks like ? spotted the same one)

So far it looks like-

As I Am
Panic Attack
Bridges In The Sky
Behind The Veil

I think those 4 will be all I can see from that frame. The rest is too blown out. If those are correct, those are all good choices for that kind of setlist.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on June 18, 2015, 04:14:36 AM
I should stop reading this thread, I wanted to go to the Rome gig knowing absolutely no set spoilers after having the whole set spoiled last tour  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 18, 2015, 04:16:42 AM
I should stop reading this thread, I wanted to go to the Rome gig knowing absolutely no set spoilers after having the whole set spoiled last tour  :P

Sorry, maybe I should have added a spoiler warning, although this is just us trying to make out vague words from a blurry video, so these aren't confirmed songs.

edit: Ok, I think I've figured out the other song and I've edited it into my last post.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on June 18, 2015, 04:20:59 AM
It's cool, it's not definite, and only a couple of potential songs!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 18, 2015, 04:24:20 AM
I don't think I'll be able to make out more than those 4 anyway, and that's only about 35 minutes of predicted music out of a whole setlist. They'd be great choices though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on June 18, 2015, 04:24:57 AM
I'd be psyched for BTV!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 18, 2015, 04:33:04 AM
As I Am would be good. It's not been on a DVD since Budokan has it ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2015, 04:34:37 AM
BTV would be awesome and BitS would be fine, but As I am and Panic Attack get too much play from DT live.  Good songs and all, but not songs that get me excited to see.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on June 18, 2015, 04:36:48 AM
Well, in all fairness PA has been off the stages for the past 5 years!

By the way, perhaps it's better if we put the setlist discussion under spoiler or maybe move it under a different thread? People might be spoiled coming here looking for info about the new album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Mladen on June 18, 2015, 05:18:24 AM
My God, those would all be a thrill to see live! As for ACOS and Octavarium... One can only hope.

This is the perfect time to start speculating about the set list, I bought the ticket for the Vienna show just yesterday.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: jonnybaxy on June 18, 2015, 05:45:44 AM
I cant wait till July 9th.. travelling from England to Germany to watch DT...

But Haken and Devin Townsend are also the supports... BEST GIG EVER.  :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Implode on June 18, 2015, 08:55:54 AM
Incredibly jealous of that. Once in a lifetime show for sure...
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DreamerTV on June 18, 2015, 10:48:10 AM
While i don't see any problem in this "silence strategy" about the new album, i don't really understand why there was no promotion at all about the upcoming tour. I mean, i know it mostly consists in festivals, which have their own promotional circuit, but here and there they're headlining some of the gigs - i'm thinking about Italy where 2 out of 3 dates are not festivals, and since here they use to play almost every summer if you don't have nothing new to give to the audience, it may become hard to sell tickets in a period where the general offer is so vast (as we saw with last summer tour).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on June 18, 2015, 10:59:45 AM
Barletta and Roma are not festival dates?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 18, 2015, 11:09:34 AM
While i don't see any problem in this "silence strategy" about the new album, i don't really understand why there was no promotion at all about the upcoming tour. I mean, i know it mostly consists in festivals, which have their own promotional circuit, but here and there they're headlining some of the gigs - i'm thinking about Italy where 2 out of 3 dates are not festivals, and since here they use to play almost every summer if you don't have nothing new to give to the audience, it may become hard to sell tickets in a period where the general offer is so vast (as we saw with last summer tour).

They probably just wanted to play some concerts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on June 18, 2015, 11:20:39 AM
That's a great point DreamerTV. Pump up the 30th!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DreamerTV on June 18, 2015, 11:46:42 AM
Barletta and Roma are not festival dates?

Nope, "Prog in" is just a random name to indicate a gig that is not a festival one (Rome and Barletta are headlining gigs but with opening acts)

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on June 18, 2015, 12:04:07 PM
Still confused as to why the Rome gig says the show starts at 9pm. DT wouldn't be on until extremely late. What's the curfew?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on June 18, 2015, 12:06:51 PM
That whole Barletta gig is really hard to find, btw. The place doesn't even seem to have a website.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CharlesPL on June 18, 2015, 12:08:21 PM
In Katowice DT started 10pm +
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DreamerTV on June 18, 2015, 12:27:06 PM
Still confused as to why the Rome gig says the show starts at 9pm. DT wouldn't be on until extremely late. What's the curfew?

Midnight.

That whole Barletta gig is really hard to find, btw. The place doesn't even seem to have a website.

Because it's just an open space inside a Castle.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Octavarious on June 18, 2015, 03:12:21 PM
That whole Barletta gig is really hard to find, btw. The place doesn't even seem to have a website.
There's one unneeded / misleading word in your post: and it's "gig". All the rest is fine :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on June 18, 2015, 03:37:34 PM
Still confused as to why the Rome gig says the show starts at 9pm. DT wouldn't be on until extremely late. What's the curfew?

Midnight.


So... provided the other two bands have 30 minutes each we're looking at a 10:30 DT start? Still seems late.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on June 18, 2015, 03:59:16 PM
That whole Barletta gig is really hard to find, btw. The place doesn't even seem to have a website.
There's one unneeded / misleading word in your post: and it's "gig". All the rest is fine :rollin

Not sure I understand. Granted, not being a native speaker of English I might have an erroneous concept of the word gig. I am loosely using the term to mean "musical performance".
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: zecawolf on June 18, 2015, 04:05:31 PM
That whole Barletta gig is really hard to find, btw. The place doesn't even seem to have a website.
There's one unneeded / misleading word in your post: and it's "gig". All the rest is fine :rollin

Not sure I understand. Granted, not being a native speaker of English I might have an erroneous concept of the word gig. I am loosely using the term to mean "musical performance".

I use it the same way. I sometimes find it very hard to convey some ideas because I'm never sure if I'm using the "right" word, or at least the "most common" way to say something. Where are you from?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on June 18, 2015, 04:07:33 PM
Germany. But I've been living in Boston for 13 years, so I don't think I'm too off on my concept of "gig". That's at least how we used it in my band back in the day :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: paulstfu on June 18, 2015, 04:14:34 PM
Guys, I don't know if this is allowed (If it's not, please delete this... Or at least ignore), but some random guy got this on the video JR uploaded yesterday.

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11401224_10207135951982583_5533870132129502478_n.jpg?oh=4c095d36b940bbccdcfa948a1c55d36e&oe=5628C53E
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on June 18, 2015, 04:19:23 PM
That whole Barletta gig is really hard to find, btw. The place doesn't even seem to have a website.
There's one unneeded / misleading word in your post: and it's "gig". All the rest is fine :rollin

Not sure I understand. Granted, not being a native speaker of English I might have an erroneous concept of the word gig. I am loosely using the term to mean "musical performance".
He was making a joke about the fact that Barletta is itself a very obscure place.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Octavarious on June 18, 2015, 04:22:26 PM
Indeed. The word "gig" is absolutely correct, but not in that sentence... ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on June 18, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
I am aware of the existence of Barletta only because it's the homeplace to a notorious Serie A referee  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Octavarious on June 18, 2015, 04:27:15 PM
I am aware of the existence of Barletta only because it's the homeplace to a notorious Serie A referee  :lol
Which explains a lot of things... :facepalm: :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CharlesPL on June 18, 2015, 06:52:49 PM
Guys, I don't know if this is allowed (If it's not, please delete this... Or at least ignore), but some random guy got this on the video JR uploaded yesterday.

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11401224_10207135951982583_5533870132129502478_n.jpg?oh=4c095d36b940bbccdcfa948a1c55d36e&oe=5628C53E

?
?
?
?
?
?
?

SPOILER :rollin :

PanicAttack on 70 % i think
ANTR 70 , BitS 70 , Lits 30-50, or something else.
Behind The Veil on 99
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on June 19, 2015, 05:29:58 AM
ANTR and LITS? Damn I should extend my stay in Europe to make it to Italy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 19, 2015, 05:34:26 AM
I don't see ANTR or LITS in there, unless someone can make out the titles above the bottom 4.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 19, 2015, 05:50:51 AM
What are BitS and Lits?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 19, 2015, 05:54:37 AM
What are BitS and Lits?

Bridges in the Sky, Lines in the Sand.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 19, 2015, 05:56:57 AM
I would bet that one is Bridges in the Sky
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 19, 2015, 05:58:33 AM
Oh cool!!! I like all the songs that have been hinted at so far. But aside from Behind the Veil, I´ve seen them live a whole bunch of times...I´d be  curious to find out how Mangini will perform A Nightmare to Remember.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: devieira73 on June 19, 2015, 06:23:55 AM
Oh cool!!! I like all the songs that have been hinted at so far. But aside from Behind the Veil, I´ve seen them live a whole bunch of times...I´d be  curious to find out how Mangini will perform A Nightmare to Remember.

Yeah, very cool, it seems that the set list will be one song (not very long) for each record. I hope they include Another Won and ACoS too, so we'll have kind of "totally representative" set list of the 30 years. I think it's cool to see that they are selecting pre-MM DT songs that weren't played live by MM (or at least only a few times, like As I Am).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ninja1125 on June 19, 2015, 07:39:46 AM
I'm thinking they are going in chronological order and that's why Behind The Veil is last on the set. I'm hoping that for the shows that have more time they have an encore with A Change Of Seasons.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 19, 2015, 08:01:54 AM
Oh cool!!! I like all the songs that have been hinted at so far. But aside from Behind the Veil, I´ve seen them live a whole bunch of times...I´d be  curious to find out how Mangini will perform A Nightmare to Remember.

Just watch the audition video.  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Voices on June 19, 2015, 08:22:11 AM
Lines In The Sand??  :huh:

From what I could figure out: Panic Attack, Bridges In The Sky and Behind The Veil.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Implode on June 19, 2015, 08:32:14 AM
FINALLY SOME NEWS!!

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/c3b37d1ebb78c31bfbfa452c879467e0/tumblr_nq74cpLpMw1qgg53uo1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Octavarious on June 19, 2015, 08:35:52 AM
FINALLY SOME NEWS!!

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/c3b37d1ebb78c31bfbfa452c879467e0/tumblr_nq74cpLpMw1qgg53uo1_1280.png)

Spot on... :rollin

Sorry but while "As I am" looks probable even if not so clear, "Behind the veil" and "Panick Attack" defintely yes, where do you read the word "in"in the third title on that frame?
I read XXXXXXXX AT XXX (THE?) XXXXX so simply cannot figure out... No DT song with the word "at" as I can remember... Unless it's a new one? Wow! Or cover? Naaaaahhh....
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 19, 2015, 08:37:55 AM
FINALLY SOME NEWS!!

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/c3b37d1ebb78c31bfbfa452c879467e0/tumblr_nq74cpLpMw1qgg53uo1_1280.png)

Spot on... :rollin

Sorry but while "As I am" looks probable even if not so clear, "Behind the veil" and "Panick Attack" defintely yes, where do you read the word "in"in the third title on that frame?
I read XXXXXXXX AT XXX (THE?) XXXXX so simply cannot figure out... No DT song with the word "at" as I can remember... Unless it's a new one? Wow! Or cover? Naaaaahhh....

Pretty sure that one is Bridges in the Sky. It's so blurry that I'm looking more at the general shapes rather than expecting to interpret specific letters too clearly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wizard of Thought on June 19, 2015, 08:47:31 AM
I cant wait till July 9th.. travelling from England to Germany to watch DT...

But Haken and Devin Townsend are also the supports... BEST GIG EVER.  :metal :metal :metal :metal

Haha, I`ll be there too  :D
Will be my first DT show, so I hope the setlist is good, but the spoiled tracks were pretty good by now imo
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Krissi91 on June 19, 2015, 11:58:11 AM
I will be going to the show in Pratteln, Switzerland with Queensryche. As there are only playing 4 bands in total at this "festival", I'm assuming that they will play the more extended set. :tup
So I'm also hoping that they will pull out A change of Seasons, that would be a dream come true.

I love all of the 4 songs on the bottom of the blurry list. Maybe I would rather hear The Bigger Picture from the self titeled, but I'm REALLY ok with Behind the veil, too. :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on June 19, 2015, 12:10:57 PM
Welcome, Krissi.  Hope you enjoy the show.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on June 19, 2015, 12:20:12 PM
I will be going to the show in Pratteln, Switzerland with Queensryche. As there are only playing 4 bands in total at this "festival", I'm assuming that they will play the more extended set. :tup
So I'm also hoping that they will pull out A change of Seasons, that would be a dream come true.

I love all of the 4 songs on the bottom of the blurry list. Maybe I would rather hear The Bigger Picture from the self titeled, but I'm REALLY ok with Behind the veil, too. :D

I would not bet against The Bigger Picture being played. JP was always vocal about his fondness for the song :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: zecawolf on June 19, 2015, 12:48:49 PM
The Bigger Picture, to my taste, is the best song on DT12
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: PetFish on June 20, 2015, 01:38:45 AM
The Bigger Picture, to my taste, is the best song on DT12

This might even be my favourite one of all time.  There's just something about it that I love.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Bertielee on June 20, 2015, 01:43:01 AM
The Bigger Picture, to my taste, is the best song on DT12

This might even be my favourite one of all time.  There's just something about it that I love.

Idk if it's the best of all time, but I can fairly say it's the best on DT 12 for me, the only one with a replay value.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on June 20, 2015, 05:30:42 AM
I agree, The Bigger Picture is the best on DT12. But even the best on that album only just barely breaks into my top 50.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 20, 2015, 08:33:25 AM
I was about to say 'Panic Attack again? Bummer!', but then I remembered the song hasn't been played for a while. Time goes by fast enough, eh!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Bertielee on June 20, 2015, 08:35:05 AM
I agree, The Bigger Picture is the best on DT12. But even the best on that album only just barely breaks into my top 50.

I think DT 12 suffers from the same problems found on every album after 8vm : well-executed but cold and clinical.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Krissi91 on June 20, 2015, 09:09:18 AM
Welcome, Krissi.  Hope you enjoy the show.

Thank you, I sure will. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2015, 10:09:50 AM
Exclusive pic of JP pondering the setlist choices he has made for the summer tour.




















































(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/DTF/JPlol_zpsymf59wru.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: James Mypetgiress on June 20, 2015, 10:36:39 AM
 :lol I spent a worryingly long time laughing. Someone actually came into my office to see if something was wrong...
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Post by: Zydar on June 20, 2015, 10:37:56 AM
;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 20, 2015, 10:54:40 AM
I will be going to the show in Pratteln, Switzerland with Queensryche. As there are only playing 4 bands in total at this "festival", I'm assuming that they will play the more extended set. :tup
So I'm also hoping that they will pull out A change of Seasons, that would be a dream come true.

I love all of the 4 songs on the bottom of the blurry list. Maybe I would rather hear The Bigger Picture from the self titeled, but I'm REALLY ok with Behind the veil, too. :D

I would not bet against The Bigger Picture being played. JP was always vocal about his fondness for the song :tup

James said he loves the song too and it might be his favorite in the entire DT catalog. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: comment on June 20, 2015, 11:02:09 AM
 :D ... Yeah!  Great pic.

DT12:  I seem to like the epics the best off the albums.  Really I see them separate from the shorter songs.  For me the epic IT is the tops for that album.  But the Bigger Picture is the best of the shorter songs.  Those 2 and Along For The Ride are the ones I primarily listen to.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: paulstfu on June 20, 2015, 11:12:28 AM
The bigger picture is amazing, but I do hope they play Surrender to reason, IMHO the best song on DT12
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Laughingplace56 on June 21, 2015, 12:27:01 AM
IT is probably my favorite, but I listen to the The Bigger Picture-Behind the Veil-Surrender to Reason stretch of the album more than any other part of it. Those 3 songs, especially in a row, feel the most inspired out of the shorter songs, imo, and of course they're the only 3 NOT played on the DT12 tour, even when 2/5 members gave TBP heaps of praise.


(I love how the new album thread has become a setlist decoder/DT12 discussion thread  :rollin)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on June 21, 2015, 03:24:03 AM
Can someone link me the image you guys are looking at? Or tell me on what page it is? I'm curious.

EDIT: Nevermind, found the source.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: paulstfu on June 21, 2015, 03:41:01 PM

(I love how the new album thread has become a setlist decoder/DT12 discussion thread  :rollin)

The lack of any hints or news has driven us to talk about the closest thing to DT13  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Krissi91 on June 21, 2015, 03:48:55 PM

(I love how the new album thread has become a setlist decoder/DT12 discussion thread  :rollin)

The lack of any hints or news has driven us to talk about the closest thing to DT13  :lol

Well, the tour will start in a few days, so I hope that we get some news soon. James probably will say something about the release date on stage. :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on June 21, 2015, 09:47:31 PM
I don't think there will be news, other than what the actual setlist is (which i never care about too much). Other than that, the festival concerts are usually much more bare-bones. I don't expect anything other than a few YouTube videos.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: jonnybaxy on June 22, 2015, 05:40:58 AM
I cant wait till July 9th.. travelling from England to Germany to watch DT...

But Haken and Devin Townsend are also the supports... BEST GIG EVER.  :metal :metal :metal :metal

Haha, I`ll be there too  :D
Will be my first DT show, so I hope the setlist is good, but the spoiled tracks were pretty good by now imo

I don't even care about the set list if all 3 of my favourite bands are on a stage in the same night!

What an experience for your first show!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wizard of Thought on June 22, 2015, 05:55:33 AM
I cant wait till July 9th.. travelling from England to Germany to watch DT...

But Haken and Devin Townsend are also the supports... BEST GIG EVER.  :metal :metal :metal :metal

Haha, I`ll be there too  :D
Will be my first DT show, so I hope the setlist is good, but the spoiled tracks were pretty good by now imo

I don't even care about the set list if all 3 of my favourite bands are on a stage in the same night!

What an experience for your first show!  :metal

Yeah, I don`t even know that much music by Devin Townsend, but Haken and Dream Theater (of course) are gonna be awesome. I also only live about 100 miles away from Bonn so this is completely ridiculous!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 22, 2015, 09:20:19 AM
I know it's hopeful thinking, but as Jordan posted an old-school ACOS video a few days ago I hope they are reviewing the song for the upcoming tour. Probably not going to happen, but still a man can dream.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on June 22, 2015, 12:31:19 PM
He's not going to post anything related to ACOS if they weren't going to play it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on June 22, 2015, 12:57:58 PM
My guess is that they will play a subsection of it. It's too long to play on the festival circuit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 22, 2015, 01:00:40 PM
I know it's hopeful thinking, but as Jordan posted an old-school ACOS video a few days ago I hope they are reviewing the song for the upcoming tour. Probably not going to happen, but still a man can dream.

That would be very cool!  It's long overdue.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on June 22, 2015, 01:00:48 PM
My guess is that they will play a subsection of it. It's too long to play on the festival circuit.
They did play TCOT in the 2011 summer festival dates, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on June 22, 2015, 01:06:17 PM
Right, Marco.   
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Dream Team on June 22, 2015, 02:14:11 PM
IT is probably my favorite, but I listen to the The Bigger Picture-Behind the Veil-Surrender to Reason stretch of the album more than any other part of it. Those 3 songs, especially in a row, feel the most inspired out of the shorter songs, imo, and of course they're the only 3 NOT played on the DT12 tour, even when 2/5 members gave TBP heaps of praise.


(I love how the new album thread has become a setlist decoder/DT12 discussion thread  :rollin)

Totally this. Still baffled that none of them made it to the DVD.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: paulstfu on June 22, 2015, 03:16:44 PM
I know it's hopeful thinking, but as Jordan posted an old-school ACOS video a few days ago I hope they are reviewing the song for the upcoming tour. Probably not going to happen, but still a man can dream.

I said that last sentence before the last tour, when I was dreaming about the band finally playing SDV after 20 years, so yeah, it's quite possible.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Yazman on June 27, 2015, 10:44:22 AM
So when is the new album actually going to come out?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on June 27, 2015, 10:46:50 AM
For the first time since SDOIT, on an even year.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: zecawolf on June 27, 2015, 10:48:15 AM
Some guy here (I can't remember who, sorry) said that James delcared in the Minsk concert that the album is expected by january, 2016.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 27, 2015, 11:24:15 AM
2016

2 + 6 = 8
6 - 1 = 5

OMFG NUGGETZ
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on June 27, 2015, 11:45:39 AM
 :tdwn
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 27, 2015, 11:50:44 AM
You want a real nugget? This will be the first time DT has released a studio album in a year with a 6 in it, and will complete having used every single digit from 0 - 9.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on June 27, 2015, 11:55:02 AM
You want a real nugget? This will be the first time DT has released a studio album in a year with a 6 in it, and will complete having used every single digit from 0 - 9.

Well... There's still the possibility of it being released on 2015... So no, the circle wouldn't be fulfilled...
There is no 8 either, tho.
1989
1992
1994
1997
1999
2002
2003
2005
2007
2009
2011
2013
Unless you count the 1989 which I think you do. In which case it's true.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 27, 2015, 12:00:54 PM
:tdwn


No U
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 27, 2015, 12:04:31 PM
2016

2 + 6 = 8
6 - 1 = 5

OMFG NUGGETZ

 :omg: OMG 2 + 0 + 1 + 6 = 9 !!!

the next album is their NINTH if you don't count FOUR of their albums !!!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
You want a real nugget? This will be the first time DT has released a studio album in a year with a 6 in it, and will complete having used every single digit from 0 - 9.

Well... There's still the possibility of it being released on 2015... So no, the circle wouldn't be fulfilled...
Well, JLB said the album would drop in January 2016, so there's no large possibility of being released in 2015.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 27, 2015, 12:08:15 PM
You want a real nugget? This will be the first time DT has released a studio album in a year with a 6 in it, and will complete having used every single digit from 0 - 9.

Well... There's still the possibility of it being released on 2015... So no, the circle wouldn't be fulfilled...
There is no 8 either, tho.
1989
1992
1994
1997
1999
2002
2003
2005
2007
2009
2011
2013
Unless you count the 1989 which I think you do. In which case it's true.

My crackpot theory is working under the assumption that they'll release it in 2016 as JLB apparently said at concert. And yes, I was counting the 8 in 1989, otherwise it wouldn't have been a sound crackpot theory at all!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 27, 2015, 12:55:41 PM
All theories on this forum are crackpot !!!!!!!




Except the one that says Octavarium isn't a concept album ;) ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on June 27, 2015, 01:09:22 PM
They must really be making this thing big if they needed four extra months from Jordan's (or Mike's, can't remember) original comment about it probably being released in September.
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 27, 2015, 01:54:18 PM
OBVIOUSLY A CONCEPT ALBUM


FFS - ITS THEIR 13TH ALBUM.


8 + 5 = 13

ITS OBVIOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Krissi91 on June 27, 2015, 02:09:16 PM
Maybe it will be a double album after all... like Iron Maiden's ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CDrice on June 27, 2015, 02:38:14 PM

:omg: OMG 2 + 0 + 1 + 6 = 9 !!!

the next album is their NINTH if you don't count FOUR of their albums !!!!!

Well, it's actually Jordan's 9th album with the band sooooo... I guess you're unto something  :laugh:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DP_Gumby on June 27, 2015, 04:09:31 PM
What if the new album only has four tracks, each about 22-23 minutes in length?
And every track consists of multiple parts, like they did with ACOS.

But then again.. They wouldn't need four extra months for that kind of album, would they?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 27, 2015, 04:47:55 PM
And an album like that would get boring so quickly.

If you want to listen to DT13 you've basically got 4 choices.

That was partly my problem with BC&SL . if you don't like two songs - that leaves four songs to choose from to listen to.

Whereas Six Degrees has like 13 songs on it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Mosh on June 27, 2015, 05:31:10 PM
Maybe it will be a double album after all... like Iron Maiden's ;D
Maiden was way less likely to do a double album than DT, so yea it's not a huge stretch at this point.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 27, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
One Plus Two Plus Two Plus One

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ROhf5Soqs

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Sacul on June 27, 2015, 06:30:55 PM
OBVIOUSLY A CONCEPT ALBUM


FFS - ITS THEIR 13TH ALBUM.


8 + 5 = 13

ITS OBVIOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

It makes sense, SFAM -> 5th album. Concept album. 8VM -> 8th album. Another concept album. 8+5 = 13. This is their 13th album, so it's gonna be conceptual.

METROPOLIS PT. 3: THE CHEMTRAIL CONSPIRACY CONFIRMED!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 27, 2015, 06:31:49 PM
 :police: Metropolis Part 3 : Scenes From A Trilogy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Randaran on June 27, 2015, 06:35:24 PM
Metropolis Part 4: The Valve Solution
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on June 27, 2015, 06:36:53 PM
Does this mean we get to start predicting character development for the next album?
You heard it first here: Nicholas travels back in time and saves Victoria, hereby killing himself!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 27, 2015, 06:47:55 PM
Does this mean we get to start predicting character development for the next album?
You heard it first here: Nicholas travels back in time and saves Victoria, hereby killing himself!

This is heavy
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2015, 06:52:19 PM
2016

2 + 6 = 8
6 - 1 = 5

OMFG NUGGETZ

 :omg: OMG 2 + 0 + 1 + 6 = 9 !!!

the next album is their NINTH if you don't count FOUR of their albums !!!!!
:lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zook on June 27, 2015, 07:01:17 PM
Does this mean we get to start predicting character development for the next album?
You heard it first here: Nicholas travels back in time and saves Victoria, hereby killing himself!

This is heavy

Weight has nothing to do with it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on June 27, 2015, 08:38:02 PM
Metropolis Part 4: The Valve Solution

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 27, 2015, 10:15:35 PM
And an album like that would get boring so quickly.

If you want to listen to DT13 you've basically got 4 choices.

That was partly my problem with BC&SL . if you don't like two songs - that leaves four songs to choose from to listen to.

Whereas Six Degrees has like 13 songs on it.

No it doesn't. It has 6 songs. 13 tracks.
Also it's a double album, so it's more music than a regular DT album regardless of the number of songs, so it's not an entirely fair comparison.

If they're taking longer on this album, I hope it's to refine the songs, and not to put out a double album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on June 28, 2015, 01:38:31 AM
Whereas Six Degrees has like 13 songs on it.

No it doesn't. It has 6 songs. 13 tracks.

Oh god not here too..
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 28, 2015, 02:48:18 AM
It has 13 BITS which you can SELECT. I call those SONGS because they ALL start and end individually...
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on June 28, 2015, 03:06:12 AM
It has 13 BITS which you can SELECT. I call those SONGS because they ALL start and end individually...

What a repetitive album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 28, 2015, 03:29:21 AM
:lol Terrible.

It has 13 BITS which you can SELECT. I call those SONGS because they ALL start and end individually...

Not really. I have never listened to a section of SDOIT outside of the context of the song, because it would feel incomplete, and they DON'T all end individually, so that would be weird to try to listen to that way.
Parts of Octavarium start/end just as neatly (same goes for many of their other epics, including IT), the difference being that they didn't stick track markers in there for convenience. I actually wish they didn't put track markers in SDOIT at all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on June 28, 2015, 03:43:43 AM
The SDOIT song-status conundrum is the greatest debate (nuggetz?!) in our fandom, probably even surpassing the one concerning our shady first keyboardist.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on June 28, 2015, 03:46:38 AM
Blob speaks the truth.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 28, 2015, 03:53:24 AM
The SDOIT song-status conundrum is the greatest debate (nuggetz?!) in our fandom, probably even surpassing the one concerning our shady first keyboardist.

We move in circles...

I guess it will be a little while until we get some real news on the new album to discuss given that they're on tour for a bit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on June 28, 2015, 04:01:40 AM
In my opinion, dividing SDoIT into tracks was a good decision. Listening to a 42 minute track would be rather tiresome after only a few spins.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DP_Gumby on June 28, 2015, 04:16:25 AM
In my defense, I'm not hoping for a four track album, I just had a "what-if" thought.

I don't really care how many, or how few, tracks the new album has. So long as each song has an excellent production.  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on June 28, 2015, 04:18:09 AM
I hope we can minimize the neverending "1 song or divided into more songs" discussion to solely my Systematic Chaos thread..  :'(
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 28, 2015, 05:49:39 AM
In my opinion, dividing SDoIT into tracks was a good decision. Listening to a 42 minute track would be rather tiresome after only a few spins.

After 12 years of only ever listening to SDOIT as a whole, and it still being my #1/#2 DT song, I very strongly disagree!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on June 28, 2015, 08:21:32 AM
DT calls it a single song, the end
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Plasmastrike on June 28, 2015, 08:31:37 AM
Blob doing the work of God. Thanks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: JediKnight1969 on June 28, 2015, 08:32:27 AM
DT calls it a single song, the end

Proof:

(https://www.copertinedvd.org/copertine-cd-file/D/dream_theater_-_six_degrees_of_inner_turbulence_-_back.jpg)

Only 6 (six) f...ing songs. PERIOD.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 28, 2015, 09:24:42 AM
:lol Terrible.

It has 13 BITS which you can SELECT. I call those SONGS because they ALL start and end individually...

Not really. I have never listened to a section of SDOIT outside of the context of the song, because it would feel incomplete, and they DON'T all end individually, so that would be weird to try to listen to that way.
Parts of Octavarium start/end just as neatly (same goes for many of their other epics, including IT), the difference being that they didn't stick track markers in there for convenience. I actually wish they didn't put track markers in SDOIT at all.

I like listening to Solitary Shell on it's own. As well as About To Crash ( sometimes )
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 28, 2015, 03:02:34 PM
Only 6 (six) f...ing songs. PERIOD.
And let's not forget that on the CD version of Score, all of SDoIT is one track - it's not subdivided, which is further evidence that it is one song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: KevShmev on June 28, 2015, 03:22:39 PM
A Mind Beside Itself is presented as one song on the LSFNY DVD. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Mosh on June 28, 2015, 04:27:04 PM
Yes but it is divided on the CD. It makes sense to keep it together on the DVD since it was that bonus feature thing and you could watch it altogether instead of having to select the next song in the extra features menu.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 28, 2015, 11:48:38 PM
Yes but it is divided on the CD. It makes sense to keep it together on the DVD since it was that bonus feature thing and you could watch it altogether instead of having to select the next song in the extra features menu.

And nowhere is it labeled a song anyway. It's presented as a unit because it is a unit; a suite.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 29, 2015, 07:30:58 AM
I think the band made the right call splitting SDOIT into separate tracks as opposed to making a single 42 minute track. It's always nice to have the option of skipping around, and I don't think there's a real downside to it, outside of the debate it causes in fan circles (is it a song or a suite?).

To me, if the band says it's a song, then it's a song, but I don't really care either way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DP_Gumby on June 29, 2015, 08:10:43 AM
There's things happening, look!
Richard Chicky is apparently working on the new album. 

https://instagram.com/p/4g7yT8i9ql/


Yes, I admit.. It's not the most exciting image ever, but it's something nonetheless.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 29, 2015, 08:35:26 AM
I spotted Chycki in the video JR posted a while back that we used to figure out parts of their current setlist.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: zecawolf on June 29, 2015, 08:37:30 AM
Yes but it is divided on the CD. It makes sense to keep it together on the DVD since it was that bonus feature thing and you could watch it altogether instead of having to select the next song in the extra features menu.

And nowhere is it labeled a song anyway. It's presented as a unit because it is a unit; a suite.

GREATEST HIT - AND 21 OTHER PRETTY COOL SONGS.

Solitary Shell is in it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 29, 2015, 08:45:09 AM
Yes but it is divided on the CD. It makes sense to keep it together on the DVD since it was that bonus feature thing and you could watch it altogether instead of having to select the next song in the extra features menu.

And nowhere is it labeled a song anyway. It's presented as a unit because it is a unit; a suite.

GREATEST HIT - AND 21 OTHER PREETY COOLS SONGS.

Solitary Shell is in it.

Because it would have really rolled off the tongue to name it "GREATEST HIT AND 21 OTHER PRETTY COOL SONGS PLUS A SECTION OF A SONG AND SOME HACKED RADIO EDITS AND REMIXES ETC". You're in trouble if you're relying on a joking tongue in cheek compilation name as evidence of anything.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on June 29, 2015, 08:46:45 AM
It's not hugely surprising or anything, but at least we know there will be some piano on the new album. It never goes out of style IMO.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 29, 2015, 08:48:37 AM
Yes but it is divided on the CD. It makes sense to keep it together on the DVD since it was that bonus feature thing and you could watch it altogether instead of having to select the next song in the extra features menu.

And nowhere is it labeled a song anyway. It's presented as a unit because it is a unit; a suite.

GREATEST HIT - AND 21 OTHER PRETTY COOL SONGS.

Solitary Shell is in it.
A radio edit of Solitary Shell is in it.  Meaning, a version of the song that was altered from its original presentation.  And kind of a worthless one, at that, since I doubt it ever got very much airplay.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 29, 2015, 08:51:10 AM
It's not hugely surprising or anything, but at least we know there will be some piano on the new album. It never goes out of style IMO.

Not too surprising at all given that every DT album has piano on it (except maybe WDADU, which I can't recall any on). But it's hard to go wrong with piano, so it's always good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: zecawolf on June 29, 2015, 08:59:44 AM
Yes but it is divided on the CD. It makes sense to keep it together on the DVD since it was that bonus feature thing and you could watch it altogether instead of having to select the next song in the extra features menu.

And nowhere is it labeled a song anyway. It's presented as a unit because it is a unit; a suite.

GREATEST HIT - AND 21 OTHER PREETY COOLS SONGS.

Solitary Shell is in it.

Because it would have really rolled off the tongue to name it "GREATEST HIT AND 21 OTHER PRETTY COOL SONGS PLUS A SECTION OF A SONG AND SOME HACKED RADIO EDITS AND REMIXES ETC". You're in trouble if you're relying on a joking tongue in cheek compilation name as evidence of anything.

That's evidence that it can pass for a song on its own. They could never do that with "heretic" or "crimson sunset"
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 29, 2015, 09:05:43 AM

That's evidence that it can pass for a song on its own. They could never do that with "heretic" or "crimson sunset"

It's evidence that the heavily edited radio single of Solitary Shell can stand alone, just as sections of ACOS have stood alone when played live. I've also heard the middle section of A Nightmare To Remember edited to stand alone as a "song", but that doesn't make it so.
I don't know why these things are even debated when the evidence from the band is actually very clear.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: zecawolf on June 29, 2015, 09:11:46 AM

That's evidence that it can pass for a song on its own. They could never do that with "heretic" or "crimson sunset"

It's evidence that the heavily edited radio single of Solitary Shell can stand alone, just as sections of ACOS have stood alone when played live. I've also heard the middle section of A Nightmare To Remember edited to stand alone as a "song", but that doesn't make it so.
I don't know why these things are even debated when the evidence from the band is actually very clear.


Well, I can give you MY reason to debate it. I ranked solitary shell as one of my favorite songs and Bosk argued that it was NOT a song. As I saw some people arguing otherwise too, and given that I can listen to it separately AS IT IS originally on  SDoIT, I think it's fine to state my reasons for thinking what I am saying. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Thoughtspart3 on June 29, 2015, 09:17:42 AM
I guess hopes for a dynamically mixed album are nill since Richard Chicky is mixing and mastering it.  That is, unless he has recently changed his mastering philosophy or DT requests a dynamic mix which is unlikely.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Dream Team on June 29, 2015, 09:46:20 AM

That's evidence that it can pass for a song on its own. They could never do that with "heretic" or "crimson sunset"

It's evidence that the heavily edited radio single of Solitary Shell can stand alone, just as sections of ACOS have stood alone when played live. I've also heard the middle section of A Nightmare To Remember edited to stand alone as a "song", but that doesn't make it so.
I don't know why these things are even debated when the evidence from the band is actually very clear.


Well, I can give you MY reason to debate it. I ranked solitary shell as one of my favorite songs and Bosk argued that it was NOT a song. As I saw some people arguing otherwise too, and given that I can listen to it separately AS IT IS originally on  SDoIT, I think it's fine to state my reasons for thinking what I am saying.

I'm with you. Each of the 7 "movements" not counting the instrumental has its own verses, chorus, instrumental part, etc. I think of them as 8 songs glued together, even though I realize the band wants it received as a single song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Flacracker on June 29, 2015, 11:42:08 AM
DT needs to get Steven Wilson to produce their stuff.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Scorpion on June 29, 2015, 01:12:30 PM
I think it's likelier that MP would rejoin than SW being involved in any way with DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 29, 2015, 02:07:11 PM
And JP has said on multiple occasions that he and his beard will continue to produce the upcoming DT albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: paulstfu on June 29, 2015, 02:29:46 PM
How in heaven the DT13 discussion turned into a grat debate about SDOIT?

BTW, I do consider SDOIT as a whole song divided into 8 sections/tracks as MP said once.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: jmasterx on June 30, 2015, 06:18:02 AM
How in heaven the DT13 discussion turned into a grat debate about SDOIT?

BTW, I do consider SDOIT as a whole song divided into 8 sections/tracks as MP said once.

*Great
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2015, 10:44:52 AM
I look at SDOIT is a book.  It has chapters that tell a whole story. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2015, 10:57:23 AM
I look at SDOIT as a marriage analogy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2015, 10:57:57 AM
I look at SDOIT is a book.  It has chapters that tell a whole story.
Wow, that's profound!
Did you get that in a fortune cookie or something? :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2015, 11:14:28 AM
No.  I thought that up all by myself.


Give me a cookie now.


Seriously though, that how I always looked at long songs like.

I look at SDOIT as a marriage analogy.

You're stuck with us bosk1.  Like a marriage.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: emtee on June 30, 2015, 11:39:35 AM
I use it as a description of how my guts feel after Taco Bell.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2015, 11:54:38 AM
I use it as a description of how my guts feel after Taco Bell.

1. Gluttony
2. Remorse
3. Acceptance
4. Pressure Beyond Words.
5. Reprieve Act 4.
6. Forgiveness
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on June 30, 2015, 11:59:34 AM
I use it as a description of how my guts feel after Taco Bell.

The Ass Prison
This Dying Hole
The Booty of All Evil
Incontinence
The Splattered Toilet
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2015, 12:00:36 PM
I should have put,

Beyond This Pressure. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 30, 2015, 12:17:26 PM
TRAPPED INSIDE THIS LAVATORIUM!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on June 30, 2015, 12:25:39 PM
TRAPPED INSIDE THIS LAVATORIUM!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/1D8eSq2.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2015, 12:25:58 PM
The Ass Prison
This Dying Hole
The Booty of All Evil
Incontinence
The Splattered Toilet

This guy just came from the record release party!

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/10473726_827797047239159_7432027198852725019_n.jpg?oh=eca93f9a0f42bf19f771a7d4f6c5987e&oe=55E7E9F5)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: JediKnight1969 on June 30, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
The Ass Prison
This Dying Hole
The Booty of All Evil
Incontinence
The Splattered Toilet

 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on June 30, 2015, 03:57:01 PM
I look at SDOIT as a marriage analogy.

:marriageanalogy:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Nest777 on July 01, 2015, 03:26:48 PM
New interview with John Petrucci (only in spanish) https://mariskalrock.com/index.php/2015/07/01/dream-theater-sera-un-show-agil-y-afin-a-los-gustos-de-los-fans/

To sum up, the new album is coming early 2016 and this tour would be the only one til next year. So, I think that's short of a confirmation (?)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2015, 03:35:32 PM
Early 2016 = Double CD!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: jjrock88 on July 01, 2015, 05:42:12 PM
Early 2016 = Double CD!

That and a double Iron Maiden album would be TAC overload
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2015, 05:49:56 PM
Early 2016 = Double CD!

That and a double Iron Maiden album would be TAC overload
I'd have a heart aTAC!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 01, 2015, 05:55:07 PM
Well, that would be specTACular, to say the least!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2015, 05:55:42 PM
 :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 01, 2015, 06:18:28 PM
You guys are TACky.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on July 01, 2015, 06:29:57 PM
Early 2016 = Double CD!

Early 2016 doesn't mean anything. It just means they took longer. Doesn't mean they wrote a ton more music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 01, 2015, 06:33:45 PM
You guys are TACky.

Don't get too atTAChed yet, it'll soon be over.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 01, 2015, 06:48:14 PM
Don't force me to use my TAChyon beam Rumbo.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 01, 2015, 07:06:40 PM
Early 2016 = Double CD!

Early 2016 doesn't mean anything. It just means they took longer. Doesn't mean they wrote a ton more music.
But this is DTF.

THE SPECULATION IS ALIVE!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on July 01, 2015, 07:40:10 PM
Well aren't you sharp as a TAC.

So, early 2016. That certainly breaks the routine. I'm hoping it means this next one will be a milestone in their career, much like Images and Scenes are (Please not a part 3 though xD).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2015, 07:47:11 AM
I hope it's better than Scenes, which it probably will be. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on July 02, 2015, 07:49:46 AM
I hope it's better than Scenes, which it probably will be. :P
I guess that remains to be..um..scene. :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on July 02, 2015, 07:57:47 AM
I hope it's better than Scenes, which it probably will be. :P

:getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on July 02, 2015, 08:01:22 AM
I hope it's better than Scenes, which it probably will be. :P

So you don't want Scenes in your Memory?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2015, 08:34:01 AM
I hope it's better than Scenes, which it probably will be. :P

So you don't want Scenes in your Memory?
Oh no it's a solid enough album, I just think it's one of DT's weakest.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 02, 2015, 09:55:59 AM
Oh no it's a solid enough album, I just think it's one of DT's weakest.

You need to be punished for that comment....20 lashes with a we noodle or something. How dare thee?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bl5150 on July 02, 2015, 10:00:15 AM
I'm one of the few who can agree with ariich on that - bottom 4 for me too  :angel:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 02, 2015, 10:06:27 AM
DT haven't topped SFAM since SDOIT, and I have no expectation of that happening again.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 02, 2015, 10:41:00 AM
My top 3 :
Octavarium
Scenes From A Memory
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence

My bottom 3 :

Systematic Chaos
Awake
When Dream And Day Unite
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on July 02, 2015, 11:15:41 AM
SFaM is not in my top 5 or bottom 5. A middle-of-the-pack album for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 02, 2015, 11:24:59 AM
I'm one of the few who can agree with ariich on that - bottom 4 for me too  :angel:

SFaM is not in my top 5 or bottom 5. A middle-of-the-pack album for me.

Hmmm....musical taste is so random....

DT haven't topped SFAM since SDOIT, and I have no expectation of that happening again.

I've enjoyed DT's releases since SDOIT but I'll agree that every album since hasn't been up to that type of level. I love the last two more than the previous two before them, SDOIT may have been the summit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 02, 2015, 11:50:45 AM
I however think that Octavarium was their last properly great album.

Although A Dramatic Turn Of Events comes close. It just needed a nicer all around production.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Implode on July 02, 2015, 11:55:38 AM
DT haven't topped SFAM since SDOIT, and I have no expectation of that happening again.

Pretty much. Some songs have come close in quality, but no album as a whole has gotten close to that caliber.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ? on July 02, 2015, 12:11:06 PM
SFaM is not in my top 5 or bottom 5. A middle-of-the-pack album for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 02, 2015, 12:26:45 PM
SFAm+SDOIT was their absolute peak. Since then they've had "blips" of good interspersed (ToT, BCSL, 8V, ADTOE), but the blips have been getting weaker.

Or, to use the RYM ranking:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/dt_zpsf66f0f33.png) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/rumborak/media/dt_zpsf66f0f33.png.html)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on July 02, 2015, 12:57:25 PM
I think the next one will fit right in that gap between TOT and DT12 (Hoping for better though :) )
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on July 02, 2015, 01:28:58 PM
They haven't topped Scenes since ever. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 02, 2015, 01:42:10 PM
Worse so, they have not released another top-5 album in 13 years. And i think the DT12 rating can't be trusted, at least judging by how the album's reputation has developed in this forum.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on July 02, 2015, 02:16:39 PM
There's no reason why the next album they make can't be just as great as all their other "great" albums
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: PetFish on July 02, 2015, 04:02:03 PM
There's no reason why the next album they make can't be just as great as all their other "great" albums

Exactly.  Why not wait until we can actually hear it instead of making pre-judgments and assumptions?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Scorpion on July 02, 2015, 04:28:37 PM
rumborak, why are you always trying to convice other people that DT are on the decline and will never make something worthwhile again? I mean, if that's your opinion, that's OK, but there are people that legitimately enjoy their latest output, and that's totally fine, so I don't get what you're trying to accomplish other than seeking validation for your opinion.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 02, 2015, 05:10:51 PM
I'm actually not saying at all that they can't. In fact, I strongly believe they still have it in them. I'm more saying they're not utilizing their immense potential. Anybody who listened to  LMR knows of the immense treasure trove of potential at least JR is sitting on.
My, admittedly, somewhat negative posts come from the stance of "come on guys, I know you can do much, much better". It pains me to see *the* band I can think of that has potential left to essentially release so many autopilot albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2015, 05:25:01 PM
I hope it's better than Scenes, which it probably will be. :P

So you don't want Scenes in your Memory?
Oh no it's a solid enough album, I just think it's one of DT's weakest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uHBFiAnpZs
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2015, 05:32:10 PM
Worse so, they have not released another top-5 album in 13 years. 

Why does that matter?  I think most DT fans would agree that an "average" DT album is still better than an average record in general, just like fans of most bands would say the same thing about those other bands, which is why we are fans, so I don't think DT releasing an "average DT" album at this juncture is bad.  Think of it this way: what other bands had 11th and 12th studio albums as good as Dream Theater's?  While I am sure you can list a few, most bands either do not last till as 11th album or are releasing total crap by then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 02, 2015, 06:02:26 PM
I see your point, but it all depends of course whether one indeed considers those "low" albums to be better than other bands' output. I obviously don't listen to music I don't enjoy, so in my mind I will compare it to the other recent albums I liked (Steven Wilson, Muse etc). There I must, personally, confess that no, I don't think those low DT albums are as good. I don't really listen to Systematic Chaos or DT12, at all at this point. ADTOE gets the occasional spin because there was something fresh about it. But there are definitely DT albums that I consider as bad as other bands' bad albums. DT doesn't have that "implicit offset" to me that it seems to have for some of you.

Maybe that's why I think they should try harder.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ninja1125 on July 02, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
Worse so, they have not released another top-5 album in 13 years. 

Why does that matter?  I think most DT fans would agree that an "average" DT album is still better than an average record in general, just like fans of most bands would say the same thing about those other bands, which is why we are fans, so I don't think DT releasing an "average DT" album at this juncture is bad.  Think of it this way: what other bands had 11th and 12th studio albums as good as Dream Theater's?  While I am sure you can list a few, most bands either do not last till as 11th album or are releasing total crap by then.
I totally agree with you. For example, Rush's 12th album (Hold Your Fire) is my least favorite from the band and DT12 is one of the weakest albums from Dream Theater imo. Keeping that in mind Hold Your Fire doesn't hold a candle to DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
I see your point, but it all depends of course whether one indeed considers those "low" albums to be better than other bands' output. I obviously don't listen to music I don't enjoy, so in my mind I will compare it to the other recent albums I liked (Steven Wilson, Muse etc). There I must, personally, confess that no, I don't think those low DT albums are as good. I don't really listen to Systematic Chaos or DT12, at all at this point. ADTOE gets the occasional spin because there was something fresh about it. But there are definitely DT albums that I consider as bad as other bands' bad albums. DT doesn't have that "implicit offset" to me that it seems to have for some of you.

Maybe that's why I think they should try harder.

i don't think their alleged lack of great material in recent years is from lack of trying.  DT doesn't strike me as a band that is just churning out material just for the hell of it, especially in the post-Portnoy era. They, like 99.99% of the acts out there, were at their most creative early in their career.


I totally agree with you. For example, Rush's 12th album (Hold Your Fire) is my least favorite from the band and DT12 is one of the weakest albums from Dream Theater imo. Keeping that in mind Hold Your Fire doesn't hold a candle to DT12.

Well, I love Hold Your Fire (although it's still only middle of the pack for me for Rush), but that's me. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 02, 2015, 06:54:17 PM
I see your point, but it all depends of course whether one indeed considers those "low" albums to be better than other bands' output. I obviously don't listen to music I don't enjoy, so in my mind I will compare it to the other recent albums I liked (Steven Wilson, Muse etc). There I must, personally, confess that no, I don't think those low DT albums are as good. I don't really listen to Systematic Chaos or DT12, at all at this point. ADTOE gets the occasional spin because there was something fresh about it. But there are definitely DT albums that I consider as bad as other bands' bad albums. DT doesn't have that "implicit offset" to me that it seems to have for some of you.

Maybe that's why I think they should try harder.

i don't think their alleged lack of great material in recent years is from lack of trying.  DT doesn't strike me as a band that is just churning out material just for the hell of it, especially in the post-Portnoy era. They, like 99.99% of the acts out there, were at their most creative early in their career.

I would agree with that if it hadnt been for ADTOE. For some reason, and I personally think that reason is "challenge", DT creates fresh material whenever things are uncertain.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 02, 2015, 06:58:53 PM
I just don't see a "lack of great material" at all.  I don't.  That's one of the reasons I am as big a fan as I am.  They have consistently put out albums where I think the vast majority on any given album is fantastic.  So...I'm good with what they've done on their recent albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 02, 2015, 11:34:22 PM
I hate to say it, but this is one of those cases where I unfortunately mostly agree with rumby.
While I definitely think DT has generally had a way higher batting average than most bands, and have very few songs I'd call bad, if it's average, it's average, not "average by DT standards but still better than other bands".
I was completely over the last couple of albums very quickly, while the top part of their discography still feels unbelievably fresh and exciting after over a decade. I have no reason or desire to listen to average.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 02, 2015, 11:38:21 PM
I just don't see a "lack of great material" at all.  I don't.  That's one of the reasons I am as big a fan as I am.  They have consistently put out albums where I think the vast majority on any given album is fantastic.  So...I'm good with what they've done on their recent albums.

Agree with you here. The last two albums are great.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 03, 2015, 02:01:16 AM
DT12 sounded great to begin with and I thought it would end up being a favourite but it soon got old ( quicker than most DT albums ) and I barely listen to it now.

Of all the Roadrunner era albums - I probably listen to A Dramatic Turn Of Events the most.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on July 03, 2015, 02:03:28 AM
Of the two MM albums DT12 has "aged" the best for me. Whenever I spin ADTOE I usually just go to BAI and perhaps also BITS.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on July 03, 2015, 04:02:13 AM
Hearing only one note from DT12 usually annoys me, but I don't agree that they're not putting out great stuff, as I really like ADToE. But DT12 is just completely bereft of all sorts of emotional, lyrical, and production quality, so I would love for the next album to be as far from that as possible, which I'm not really expecting it will be.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 03, 2015, 04:03:53 AM
Hearing only one note from DT12 usually annoys me, but I don't agree that they're not putting out great stuff, as I really like ADToE. But DT12 is just completely bereft of all sorts of emotional, lyrical, and production quality, so I would love for the next album to be as far from that as possible, which I'm not really expecting it will be.

I could use this in class as an example for what a hyperbole is.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 03, 2015, 06:18:40 AM
I just think DT is taking approaching writing and recording music that is not experimental and for some that's not enough.  Some are ok that they are not pushing boundaries though they'd like them too and other are turned off that they are not.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BelichickFan on July 03, 2015, 06:56:30 AM
I guess I'm in the minority but I like the last two CDs more than FII, 6DoIT, Octavarium, Systematic Chaos, BC&SL.  About equal with ToT.  They fit in great for me only for sure behind I&W, Awake, Scenes.  And I can't wait for the new one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 03, 2015, 08:55:17 AM
Of the two MM albums DT12 has "aged" the best for me. Whenever I spin ADTOE I usually just go to BAI and perhaps also BITS.

ADTOE only has the one song i'm not overly keen on ( Breaking All Illusions ). It's a good song but I don't worship it like most people on here....

DT12 has Surrender To Reason & Along For The Ride - the latter of which I can't even listen to. One of my least favourite DT songs ever.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: adamack on July 04, 2015, 11:58:25 AM
Hey all, been a long time since I've been here! Moved out to the west coast and I have been insanely busy. Hope everyone is doing great.

I was curious....what's the latest on the new album? This thread is massive! Figured it may be easier to ask.

I appreciate any answers. Thanks!

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 04, 2015, 12:06:36 PM
I was curious....what's the latest on the new album? This thread is massive! Figured it may be easier to ask.

Quick summary:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on July 04, 2015, 12:07:35 PM
To be released in early 2016.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 05, 2015, 04:24:16 AM
The band is being extremely guarded and tight-lipped about this album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 05, 2015, 07:49:28 AM
Well, that's it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on July 05, 2015, 08:41:12 AM
I was curious....what's the latest on the new album? This thread is massive! Figured it may be easier to ask.

Quick summary:

:clap:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 05, 2015, 09:27:51 AM
Well, we do have a ballpark release date. So rumby isn't entirely accurate.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: NotePad on July 05, 2015, 10:12:35 AM
I wouldn't mind another album like 8VM. But I have a feeling their next release will be more ADTOE/SFAM than Awake or  8VM.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on July 05, 2015, 10:14:40 AM
I wouldn't mind another album like 8VM. But I have a feeling their next release will be more ADTOE/SFAM than Awake or  8VM.

You say it as if it would be a bad thing  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 05, 2015, 10:16:50 AM
If the next release was like ADTOE, I'd be disappointed. If it was like SFAM, I'd be over the moon. :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Sycsa on July 05, 2015, 12:31:09 PM
I've been away a couple of weeks, where was it established that the release will be in 2016? Originally, it was supposed to be late this year, iirc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Fiery Winds on July 05, 2015, 01:04:07 PM
I've been away a couple of weeks, where was it established that the release will be in 2016? Originally, it was supposed to be late this year, iirc.


Someone at the Minsk show reported that JLB said the album is likely to drop in January 2016:


Later on he said they're working on the album, which is not 100% finished yet, but will be right after this tour. Planned release date is Jan 2016 and then obviously a world tour (he also promiced to come in Minsk again on that tour, but that's probably what he would say at any show).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Infinite Cactus on July 05, 2015, 01:50:31 PM
FII-8VM-TOT
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on July 05, 2015, 03:56:58 PM
FII-8VM-TOT

Sure.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 05, 2015, 06:12:58 PM
I've been away a couple of weeks, where was it established that the release will be in 2016? Originally, it was supposed to be late this year, iirc.


Someone at the Minsk show reported that JLB said the album is likely to drop in January 2016:


Later on he said they're working on the album, which is not 100% finished yet, but will be right after this tour. Planned release date is Jan 2016 and then obviously a world tour (he also promiced to come in Minsk again on that tour, but that's probably what he would say at any show).

JLB is on video saying that album will be out in the early part of 2016 and he has said that at several shows on the current festival tour. He also said there would be an extensive world tour to follow the release.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 05, 2015, 06:58:55 PM
I'm pretty much convinced that the new album will be very proggy, and I find very likely that it will be a concept album.

We have since SC without a real Labrie lyric, and now they say that he has more influence during the creative process of the album. I think the man has a lot of ideas he hasn't been able to materialize.
Now, let me be honest with you, as much as many people hate Prophets of War, I actually think that's the second strongest and most stand-alone song in the entire SC, and it's very well structured.
Sacrificed Sons is too much instrumental, too little voice, but the ideas that he wrote in there were actually pretty cool, and the Medicate part of Octavarium is probably the greatest part lyric-wise in the song.
6DOIT had two Labrie songs, and while Blind Faith wasn't his greatest moment, Disappear is very, very powerful and does create a lot of emotions on me.
One Last Time, although short, is also incredibly powerful, and personally, it's the lyrical climax of the entire album (Here I am inside his home...), gives me chills everytime I hear it.

I don't know, but given his reading tastes and musical ones, I think he has some nice ideas for a story he can work around with Petrucci and Myung, and create a concept album, because I'm pretty much tired of Petrucci writing all the lyrics, and I'm quite sure he's tired as well.

(Anna Lee rocks btw)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 05, 2015, 07:09:15 PM
Thr JLB albums are very good. I especially like MullMuzzler 2 and Elements of Persuasion.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Thoughtspart3 on July 05, 2015, 08:02:29 PM
I am thinking they are going to something big or different for this album since it is their 30th anniversary.  That is why I am leaning to concept album or something more different than what we have seen lately. 

One big reason they might be in a rut is that they give too much weight to "this is what DT's sound is" or "this is the DT brand"  I have heard JP make statements like this. It seems like he and that band believe that fans expect a certain experience from DT and that they can't stray from that.  They don't say that explicitly but it is implied in these types of comments.  I have wondered that if this type of thinking is holding them back and keeping them from experimenting.   
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 06, 2015, 12:32:29 AM
I don't think Dream Theater is in a rut. The reason that the self-titled sounds like standard DT is because that was their goal with their last album: to make a concise statement of what Dream Theater is about, which is consistent with their decision to self-title it. From John Petrucci interviews:

"Well, it’s sort of like, you know, renewing our commitment to what we do, to what we love to do, to our fans that have been with us for a long time in this thing. The band, this year with this album is just as enthusiastic and passionate about what we do, we’re excited about it, we’ll never stop putting our best foot forward. We’re always going to love doing this kind of thing and we wanted to illustrate that with the title, and share that, demonstrate that the music we have been doing for a long time is something that we believe in and it’s something that we still feel really strong about. And we also appreciate everybody that stayed with us for so long, continuing to like that kind of music. In a lot of ways its a renewal of our commitment to the music and to the band and it felt like the right time to do it, for sure, on this album."

"Because we believe that, although we have a very deep and rich history and we’re incredibly proud of everything we’ve done, we’re still making our best music. So we wanted to make a point of that. The other thing is that a lot of our longtime fans already have their favorite albums of ours, but newer fans don’t have that reference point. We wanted to make this album a reference point for them as far as what Dream Theater is all about. That was the goal and the mission, and it set the tone for the entire project."

From Jordan Rudess:

" When we started to put this material together we felt like you know what? This is an album we can really put our stamp of approval on it and this is something we can really call Dream Theater because we felt like this is so representative of where we are as musicians and as people that if anybody asks ‘what is Dream Theater all about?’ well in 2013 this is our presentation, it’s who we are, it’s totally us."

From James LaBrie:

"I think with going into this album, it was just about us saying, ‘ Ok, look. We don’t have anything to prove. It’s about us being ourselves and writing an album that we feel epitomizes who and what we are as a band’. So what better time in our career than now to write what we felt would support that with a self-titled album."

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on July 06, 2015, 01:24:59 AM


We have since SC without a real Labrie lyric,

What's not real about Far From Heaven?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 06, 2015, 02:00:11 AM


We have since SC without a real Labrie lyric,

What's not real about Far From Heaven?

My bad, missed it.
Guess it's because I'm not very fond of ADTOE, pretty cool song still, good one there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ? on July 06, 2015, 08:04:16 AM
I am thinking they are going to something big or different for this album since it is their 30th anniversary.  That is why I am leaning to concept album or something more different than what we have seen lately. 
Yeah, someone met Jordan in April and asked him about the album - apparently it won't be conceptual, but something different:
I was at the Musikmesse yesterday. Early in the morning we went to the CME stand in order to see Jordans performance. He was a bit early so my friend and I had a short but very nice chat with him. I ask him how things are developing in the studio - of course he answered that everything is perfect. They have been writing music for one month now, now they are tracking the music. I told him with a twinkle in the eye that I know he is here just to tell me everything about the new album and that I want to share this information here on the DTF forum. We laughed about that and of course he replied that he will not give me any information - however after I asked if it will be a concept album? I know that he refused to give any information - however, the situation was really relaxed and we had a good laugh so I kept on asking.

He just smiled and said something like this "it will something a bit different..." - and I replied: So it will be a concept album? He replied with a huge smile that a concept album would not be anything different!! What was clear is that I would not read too much into this. I think that due to the mimics of him my questions remained completely unanswered. But what I read from his reaction was a huge satisfaction about the development and the progress of DT13.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 06, 2015, 08:52:14 AM
I don't think DT is in a rut, they're just never going to be the kind of band that throws curve balls. They're always going to do their signature sound, but put a small twist on it, which is fine with me. It's kind of nice to know what you're getting sometimes.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 06, 2015, 12:32:01 PM
It's gonna be a triple album, and they're gonna choreograph a stage play for the tour.


and Labrie is gonna play the pan flute.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 06, 2015, 01:11:55 PM


and Labrie is gonna play the pan flute.

 :metal That's what i'm talking a BOAT
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 06, 2015, 01:53:32 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Thoughtspart3 on July 06, 2015, 04:58:35 PM
Rut might be too strong of a word.  It just seems like there is something amiss when long time fans are saying that they barely listen to some of the newer albums.

I do think poor production has a bigger effect than most people realize.  I like the song writing on DT12 but the production, especially the snare tone, makes it hard to listen to.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 06, 2015, 05:20:34 PM
Rut might be too strong of a word.  It just seems like there is something amiss when long time fans are saying that they barely listen to some of the newer albums.

Well, two things:
1.  MOST long time fans are not saying that. 
2.  As far back as I can remember, people have said that about every single release.  Nothing new here.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 06, 2015, 05:34:46 PM
I think the onus for innovation, for pushing the boundaries of the prog genre, is on the next generation of prog artists, not on these legends that are in their late 40s / early 50s, still playing in the context of a band that they established 30 years ago.

Of course, Haken would sound like they are touching on new ground, because it would be a shame on them if their older influences would become more daring than them at this day. Steven Wilson, for all the praise that he gets for pushing boundaries, had to break out of the context of Porcupine Tree to do what he is doing today.

I also hope that Dream Theater would push boundaries in the next album, but I am not placing on them the burden of becoming the vanguards of innovation. They are the old guard now, and as long as they still continue to produce good music, I would continue listening to them. If I want a dose of innovation, I would turn to the newer acts because they are supposed to innovate.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2015, 05:49:42 PM
Rut might be too strong of a word.  It just seems like there is something amiss when long time fans are saying that they barely listen to some of the newer albums.

Well, two things:
1.  MOST long time fans are not saying that. 
2.  As far back as I can remember, people have said that about every single release.  Nothing new here.

Well I think bands with longevity have older fans that don't like the modern sound.  Bands that last into multiple decades change their sound for the most part being influenced by the times.  Band like Rush and U2 have many old fans that did not like the Rush synth or the U2 experimental phase.  The rabid fans still stay with them over the decades like us bosk1. 

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Prog Snob on July 07, 2015, 06:27:27 AM
Well, we do have a ballpark release date. So rumby isn't entirely accurate.

Define ballpark.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on July 07, 2015, 07:21:59 AM
:soon:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 07, 2015, 08:24:28 AM
Well, we do have a ballpark release date. So rumby isn't entirely accurate.

Define ballpark.

I would say having a projected month qualifies.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 07, 2015, 08:45:06 AM
Well, we do have a ballpark release date. So rumby isn't entirely accurate.

Define ballpark.

I would say having a projected month qualifies.
I concur with Bosk.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Prog Snob on July 07, 2015, 10:07:08 AM
Well, we do have a ballpark release date. So rumby isn't entirely accurate.

Define ballpark.

I would say having a projected month qualifies.

I wasn't aware that there was a projected month. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 07, 2015, 11:01:19 AM
January 2016.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 07, 2015, 12:41:20 PM
The year beginning January 2016.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Prog Snob on July 07, 2015, 01:37:53 PM
January 2016.

Oh that's great then. I must have missed that announcement.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 07, 2015, 01:43:42 PM
That information came to us at great cost, including the sacrifice of some of our dearest brothers' lives.  Their sacrifice will not be forgotten.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 07, 2015, 01:44:29 PM
brother's? that means they must be sons, sacrificed sons.  I get it now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CDrice on July 07, 2015, 01:49:28 PM
Poor count of Tuscany... he'll have to suck on his pipe alone now  :-\
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: adamack on July 07, 2015, 01:49:45 PM
Thanks all, sounds like early 2016 it is.

Side note, I was listening to Suspended Animation the other day for the first time in awhile. I never thought it'd be possible, but I'm looking forward to JP's next solo album almost as much as DT13! Hope that comes out soon as well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: JediKnight1969 on July 07, 2015, 03:14:29 PM
That information came to us at great cost, including the sacrifice of some of our dearest brothers' lives.  Their sacrifice will not be forgotten.

"Many Bothans died to bring us this information..."  :'(
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Prog Snob on July 07, 2015, 03:58:13 PM
brother's? that means they must be sons, sacrificed sons.  I get it now.

I thought he meant Lost Not Forgotten. 

 :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 07, 2015, 04:31:03 PM
Side note, I was listening to Suspended Animation the other day for the first time in awhile. I never thought it'd be possible, but I'm looking forward to JP's next solo album almost as much as DT13! Hope that comes out soon as well.


Yeaaaah, about that ....
We might as well rename :soon: to :jpsoloalbum: :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Krissi91 on July 07, 2015, 05:01:29 PM
Thanks all, sounds like early 2016 it is.

Side note, I was listening to Suspended Animation the other day for the first time in awhile. I never thought it'd be possible, but I'm looking forward to JP's next solo album almost as much as DT13! Hope that comes out soon as well.

I just discovered this album a few weeks ago, it's amazing! I didn't know that he was planning to release another one... really cool :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 07, 2015, 07:24:21 PM
Side note, I was listening to Suspended Animation the other day for the first time in awhile. I never thought it'd be possible, but I'm looking forward to JP's next solo album almost as much as DT13! Hope that comes out soon as well.


Yeaaaah, about that ....
We might as well rename :soon: to :jpsoloalbum: :lol
Pls bosk

Thanks all, sounds like early 2016 it is.

Side note, I was listening to Suspended Animation the other day for the first time in awhile. I never thought it'd be possible, but I'm looking forward to JP's next solo album almost as much as DT13! Hope that comes out soon as well.

I just discovered this album a few weeks ago, it's amazing! I didn't know that he was planning to release another one... really cool :metal
AFAIK, he has the entire album written and just needs to take the time (heh) to record the damn thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Storm Rider on July 08, 2015, 05:20:50 AM
I'm sorry if this has been posted already, but here's confirmation of the new album being released early 2016 directly from the band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3QRT3guI3g
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 08, 2015, 07:22:43 AM
I'm sorry if this has been posted already, but here's confirmation of the new album being released early 2016 directly from the band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3QRT3guI3g

Great video...the dude screaming "JOOOOHN" at 04:48 before the solo is epic!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 08, 2015, 09:15:32 AM
That information came to us at great cost, including the sacrifice of some of our dearest brothers' lives.  Their sacrifice will not be forgotten.

Lost, Not Forgotten.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 08, 2015, 10:59:34 PM
DT13 will be pop-focused.
It will be pussies to the wall (instead of balls)
That's something different.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 08, 2015, 11:17:27 PM
Pussies to the wall is either a PETA lawsuit waiting to happen, or urinary tract infection.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 08, 2015, 11:29:10 PM
Well, they weren't sued for the raw dog...
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on July 09, 2015, 10:00:39 AM
Pussies to the wall is either a PETA lawsuit waiting to happen, or urinary tract infection.
Well, they weren't sued for the raw dog...
OHOHOHOHOHO you clever people you.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 09, 2015, 10:01:25 AM
Says the SuperTaco guy :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on July 09, 2015, 10:27:59 AM
Says the SuperTaco guy :rollin

I'm not sure how to take that :lol but thank you for the mention. I tried to be clever once, and it didn't end well :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 09, 2015, 01:22:24 PM
Well, you know, "taco" is yet another euphemism for ... you know ...  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 09, 2015, 02:01:10 PM
Well, you know, "taco" is yet another euphemism for ... you know ...  ;D

You are so worldly Rumbo. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Another_Won on July 09, 2015, 02:13:35 PM
Well, you know, "taco" is yet another euphemism for ... you know ...  ;D

Yea, but can you use it just by itself?  I always thought you had to use a modifier like pink or fish  . . .
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 09, 2015, 02:16:34 PM
Sometimes Rumbo you have to lead a joke to the .............
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: GasparXR on July 09, 2015, 02:29:26 PM
Sometimes Rumbo you have to lead a joke to the .............

There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data...
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on July 09, 2015, 02:58:33 PM
Well, you know, "taco" is yet another euphemism for ... you know ...  ;D

Yea, but can you use it just by itself?  I always thought you had to use a modifier like pink or fish  . . .

Well, his username is SuperTaco.

Edit: Never mind.. if this thread was a person, he would be so confused about life right now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 09, 2015, 03:47:39 PM
As far as I know, no other words are necessary.  Taco is good enough for me to eat.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on July 09, 2015, 06:55:53 PM
Well, you know, "taco" is yet another euphemism for ... you know ...  ;D

Oh my goodness  :blush :lol

As far as I know, no other words are necessary.  Taco is good enough for me to eat.

Damnit I just ate and you made me hungry again xD
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 10, 2015, 05:02:50 AM
Sometimes Rumbo you have to lead a joke to the .............

There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data...
:tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: emtee on July 10, 2015, 05:49:26 AM
So Chycki is the engineer on this one too. He tweeted 3 photos from the studio. I didn't know that until now. Maybe I missed something
and it's already known. I will wait and see with an open mind but I sure hope he made some changes on his approach to sonic values
on this one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 10, 2015, 06:01:06 AM
Going by his track record, he likes loud records. Maybe if he could jist do it Elements of Persuasion style which is loud but still ok to the ears.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 10, 2015, 06:32:23 AM
Didnt he also mix Breaking the Fourth Wall?  From what I recall, that was a very popular sounding mix (I know I liked it).  Granted thats a live album not studio, but I'm fine with him doing the next album personally although I'm not against the idea of someone new.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on July 10, 2015, 06:36:32 AM
Going by his track record, he likes loud records. Maybe if he could jist do it Elements of Persuasion style which is loud but still ok to the ears.
As I understand it, he didn't master DT12? I think he's involved at the recording stage, and in mixing (which for sure might be on the loud side already) but I don't find that bad in itself, the problem stems from too much compression at the final stage.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2015, 08:37:30 AM
I've never really had a problem with the production of any DT studio album.  I honestly think people that do are just too picky and need something to complain about.  That said, the sound on Awake was somewhat jarring and took some getting used to.  That doesn't mean it is bad--it is just...jarring.  Kind of in the same way Mindcrime's production was intentionally jarring.

But the last two live albums have, for different reasons, had strange sonic issues.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 10, 2015, 08:40:01 AM
Awake? Are you in the correct thread, bosk1? ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2015, 08:44:02 AM
:lol  Well, since we were veering off into talking about production, it made sense to bring it up. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 10, 2015, 08:46:20 AM
I'm getting confused by the criss-crossing of dicussions in the threads.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2015, 10:51:29 AM
I've never really had a problem with the production of any DT studio album.  I honestly think people that do are just too picky and need something to complain about.

I just don't like that fact that when I have shuffle on my phone, almost every piece of music in there is a decent volume, but if a DT12 song comes on, it blasts my ears out and is rather startling
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 10, 2015, 11:05:45 AM
Yeah, that has happened a lot of times for me as well. I listen to music on headphones at work, and occasionally I ripped them out of my ears because a DT12 song came on.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 10, 2015, 11:10:28 AM
Is it really that loud compared to recent stuff from other artists? When I play DT12 and Restoration or The Mountain by Haken, for example, the difference to my ears is not that much.

Just played The Enemy Inside and James LaBrie's  Pretender back to back. LaBrie's song is louder. Will test with an Annihilator song. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2015, 01:48:37 PM
Try playing The Enemy Inside and then " Calling Elvis " by Dire Straits. Make sure it's not a remastered version :p
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TL on July 11, 2015, 10:00:20 AM
I had some music on shuffle when I was doing some work around the house the other day, and at one point The Looking Glass came on. It just sounded so much more flat than most of the other music that had been playing. For reference, the version of DT12 I have in my library is the HD Tracks version. The album version is flat, and also way too loud.

For me, it's usually not about looking at waveforms and checking out dynamic range ratings. It's about if something sounds noticeably off when I'm listening to it. With DT12, it's noticeably flat. It's a shame, because a lot of the music on there is really great, and would really shine in a more dynamic mix.

I was listening to Rush's Power Windows yesterday. There's a record where the louder you turn the volume on your stereo, the better it sounds. With DT12, I want to listen to it at a decent volume, but with the way it sounds, I usually find myself turning the volume down a bit.

It's fine if some people don't really notice or care about differences in mixes and dynamic production. The good news for those people is, they probably wouldn't mind if the mix was more dynamic, and there would be the added benefit of not having to listen to a bunch of us complain on and on about the sound quality.  :lol

Edit: It's worth noting, there are certainly worse sounding albums out there. It's just more likely that people are going to complain about it on a record by a band like DT, where there's often a lot going on, and a lot of smaller details and nuances that get drowned out a bit when the mix/master isn't good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 11, 2015, 10:35:10 AM
The HDTRacks DT12 is loud? It is compressed, but it is not loud. I often had to adjust the volume upwards when played in a shuffled playlist because the volume suddenly goes down. The HDTracks volume is almost one third less loud than the CD's.

Try playing The Enemy Inside and then " Calling Elvis " by Dire Straits. Make sure it's not a remastered version :p

Well, I did say recent recording right? Generally, most of the recent recordings are relatively louder compared to older ones.

But I have a feeling that you are messing with me, comparing a metal song to a country song.  :rollin


To also put into context, I do have a high tolerance for loudness. I can listen to a full volume James LaBrie Elements of Persuasion album, the Dream Theater album, or Tribe of Judah's Exit Elvis album using in-ears when I am commuting outdoors. In a quiet room, I can listen at 60% total volume (as I am doing now).  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2015, 10:40:42 AM
Well - On Every Street by Dire Straits is a really well produced album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 11, 2015, 10:48:34 AM
Most albums in the 1990s are well-produced. I just think the notion that "i had to remove my earphones because it's suddenly so loud when a DT12 song comes up" is a bit overblown. If that really happens, then your playlist must be full of songs that were released more than 10 years ago, or, if more recent recordings, must be of a quieter genre (or a Steven Wilson album, which has very good dynamics).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2015, 12:20:46 PM
Most modern smartphones can adjust each track to the same volume anyway...
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: KevShmev on July 11, 2015, 12:27:14 PM
That's true, but most of their albums from the past 12 years still sound a bit too muddy.  For example, go to listen to anything from I&W and then immediately listen to the beginning of This Dying Soul or Breaking All Illusions; it's like someone threw a blanket over your speakers.  Any hope that DT will go back to making records that sound great is pretty much gone, for me at this point.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: me7 on July 11, 2015, 02:09:14 PM
Is it really that loud compared to recent stuff from other artists? When I play DT12 and Restoration or The Mountain by Haken, for example, the difference to my ears is not that much.

It's a bad comparison. Haken's material released under Inside Out is brickwalled as well.
Better compare it to a heavier song from "Hand Cannot Erase" - now that's a well produced album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TL on July 11, 2015, 02:29:10 PM
The HDTRacks DT12 is loud? It is compressed, but it is not loud. I often had to adjust the volume upwards when played in a shuffled playlist because the volume suddenly goes down. The HDTracks volume is almost one third less loud than the CD's.

No, that's not what I was saying, though I can see how my post could be misinterpreted. To clarify, the HD Tracks version, while certainly an improvement over the album version, is still very flat.
The album version (CD, standard MP3 version) is flat and overly loud.

With the HD Tracks master, I'll turn it up because it is a bit quieter, but because of the flatness of the track, cranking the volume doesn't do it any favors, and I usually end up turning it back down a bit. While it's certainly less fatiguing than the album version, and is a bit of an improvement, it's still pretty flawed.

Basically, the level to which they reduced the base volume vs how much they improved the range is disappointingly disproportionate.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 11, 2015, 06:50:17 PM
Is it really that loud compared to recent stuff from other artists? When I play DT12 and Restoration or The Mountain by Haken, for example, the difference to my ears is not that much.

It's a bad comparison. Haken's material released under Inside Out is brickwalled as well.
Better compare it to a heavier song from "Hand Cannot Erase" - now that's a well produced album.

Yes, but Ibwas referring to the reaction that ome conaistently has to rempve earphones when a DT12 song kicks in a shuffled. Which leads me to the conclusion that the shuffled playlist may be composed mostly of songs produces more than a decade ago, non-metal songs, or a well produced recent albun like Steven Wilson's. Or maybe the poster just loves hyperbole.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 13, 2015, 03:40:02 AM
Just wanted to chime in that I forgot that there were interviews back during the Along for the Ride tour which indicates that the next album would be different because there would be more LaBrie input.

https://www.rockurlife.net/interview/english/dream-theater-19-08-13

"Well, here's the funny thing. I didn't write any lyrics on this album. I step back. Because I was finishing up with my solo album and I just felt that my head, you know; as much as I was involved with all of this Dream theater album, when it came to the lyrics, I just said to John and the guys, "you know what, I'm gonna step back. I'll get involved in the next album, but right now, I've written all these words for my solo album and I'm gonna step back" that's just where I wanted it to be...I just felt I've expressed myself enough as it is and everyone was cool, they wanted me to write like John "you got to write a couple, man." I was like "no, I think you should do it."

Am a bit not clear with Mangini. His statement could either mean he's going to develop ideas more fully for Dream Theater...or for a solo project?

https://www.technologytell.com/entertainment/32930/entertainment-tell-interview-dream-theater-drummer-mike-mangini-makes-his-dream-a-reality/

"Whitman: Some of the other guys are involved in other projects. Jordan has his CD with Tony Levin and Marco Minnemann, Levin Minnemann Rudess. Are looking to do anything on the side, like a solo project or a grouping with some other musicians?

Mangini: I wasn’t, because I felt like joining this band meant that I had musicians to work with. For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold. So now, I’ve changed my tune and by default I would like to use these ideas at some point. But only after I do my work for the band. And once we’re on the road next year, then all this work, all this preproduction work I’m doing for the show, and preparation, will be finished. And I will be able to concentrate on bringing my ideas into making them a reality. Also, because I have now remodeled the top of my home, so I have a nice-looking area to have a B-room studio and my drum room is great, and I have all the equipment that I think I could ever need, so I’m kind of ready to do this now."
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: goo-goo on July 13, 2015, 05:12:27 AM
I remember that JLB interview. It alwas a bittersweet read because I love JLb lyrics. But I can't complain since DT12 (and ADTOE) was a great return to better written lyrics by JP compared to BCaSL
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Mladen on July 13, 2015, 05:18:52 AM
I thought ADTOE was a massive step in the right direction lyrically. DT also has some fine words, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 13, 2015, 10:21:42 AM

For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.

 :(
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Nihil-Morari on July 14, 2015, 02:42:00 AM

For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.

 :(

Yeah, totally. Fit the mold. You get a great, creative drummer, but the moment he starts drumming for your band he needs to fit the mold.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Tim van Duijn on July 14, 2015, 02:45:01 AM
So, about the new album. What's it gonna be? Will it be more in the line of DT12 or did they create something more experimental? Or something completely new? Something tells me this album will be magnificent.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on July 14, 2015, 06:58:46 AM

For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.

 :(

That is worrisome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 14, 2015, 07:21:00 AM

For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.

 :(

Yeah, totally. Fit the mold. You get a great, creative drummer, but the moment he starts drumming for your band he needs to fit the mold.

Judging by JR's playing on LMR, I'm pretty sure the same story applies to him. Only that he has side/solo projects where he can use his ideas.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: emtee on July 14, 2015, 07:43:23 AM
None of us here know what the truth is. Supposedly MM is a full member of the band. To me that means he has an equal say in the
creative department. Maybe they only want creative ideas from MM in the "drum" department. Like freedom to create drum parts
that fill a certain mold within a song but nothing more than that. Who knows. Only time will tell if he is totally happy with his
role in DT.

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 14, 2015, 08:48:34 AM

For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.

 :(

That is worrisome.

I think you guys are reading this in a negative light. I think the key thought in MM's statement is that the DT guys wants to do things together. So a DT composition is a song that they come up with AS A GROUP together. If it is a musical idea that you came up with on your own, then it is yours. This only reinforces why the song credit for DT songs is always Music by Dream Theater. I think this is the reason whu JR and JLB always have a lot of solo material. If you came up with it on your own, then it is yours.

Maybe they do not want another Space Dye Vest situation.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 14, 2015, 08:58:37 AM

For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.

 :(

That is worrisome.

I think you guys are reading this in a negative light. I think the key thought in MM's statement is that the DT guys wants to do things together. So a DT composition is a song that they come up with AS A GROUP together. If it is a musical idea that you came up with on your own, then it is yours. This only reinforces why the song credit for DT songs is always Music by Dream Theater. I think this is the reason whu JR and JLB always have a lot of solo material. If you came up with it on your own, then it is yours.

Maybe they do not want another Space Dye Vest situation.

JP wrote songs like Wither and Beneath the Surface before the band entered to the studio. He came in, presented the songs in their demo forms for the band to learn and make arrangements if necessary. That's a 'Space Dye-Vest' situation if you ask me, which has nothing wrong with it IMO. Portnoy was the one that put the dark label on SDV by saying Kevin Moore wrote the song, and after they decided to include it in the Awake album he left the band; leaving the song unplayable.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 14, 2015, 09:05:13 AM
I see no problem with coming up with musical ideas outside of the studio, and then developing them as a band. This is actually how many bands operate, and it works. I don't think writing everything together right there is necessarily always the best approach for every band member, and I think it's part of why the music shows less of their individual styles lately.
I want to hear all of these ideas that they might not think fits the "DT" mold, or something that differs from routine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 14, 2015, 09:06:44 AM
Then maybe it is what MM meant that if you will offer something you came up with on your own, then it has to be extraordinary and fit the mold.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 14, 2015, 09:09:52 AM
I see no problem with coming up with musical ideas outside of the studio, and then developing them as a band. This is actually how many bands operate, and it works. I don't think writing everything together right there is necessarily always the best approach for every band member, and I think it's part of why the music shows less of their individual styles lately.
I want to hear all of these ideas that they might not think fits the "DT" mold, or something that differs from routine.

I don't think the "mold" is more important than the idea that you came up with it on your own. For example, a lot of JLB's solo stuff sounds like Dream Theater, but he came up with it outside DT, so he uses is for his solo project.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 14, 2015, 09:10:02 AM
There are so many examples of great songs throughout history that almost didn't exist because the individual member who came up with it was reluctant to show it because it didn't fit the band's mold, but that's what made it extraordinary.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 14, 2015, 09:16:39 AM
Maybe Mangini brought his Chix N Stix demo. LOL
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 14, 2015, 09:19:42 AM
I don't know what that is but it sounds perfect for DT!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 14, 2015, 09:34:53 AM
This is the only surviving remnant of that project in the internet that I can find:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFUJSUJBJks&feature=youtu.be&t=3m14s

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 14, 2015, 10:13:25 AM
There are so many examples of great songs throughout history that almost didn't exist because the individual member who came up with it was reluctant to show it because it didn't fit the band's mold, but that's what made it extraordinary.

Nothing Else Matters almost wasn't a Metallica song. James wrote it as a personal song and the rest of the band somehow got a hold of it. He didn't want it to be a Metallica song because he didn't think it fit their style but the rest of the band really liked it. I think that if a member of any band comes up with a musical idea on their own, they should feel comfortable showing it to their fellow band mates. I would love to hear a song based around ideas from James or Jordan. It would certainly make the album more diverse.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 14, 2015, 10:23:12 AM
Well, the downside of strong ownership of an individual member over an idea developed on his own that is used by the band is that it could lead to messy disputes in the future. I always find it sad when I see former bandmates engaging in a legal batle over a song they have played for decades.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 14, 2015, 12:06:34 PM
None of us here know what the truth is. Supposedly MM is a full member of the band. To me that means he has an equal say in the
creative department. Maybe they only want creative ideas from MM in the "drum" department. Like freedom to create drum parts
that fill a certain mold within a song but nothing more than that. Who knows. Only time will tell if he is totally happy with his
role in DT.
You're right, we don't. But when MP was in the band, both he and JP directed things and as producers had the authority to veto an idea. That certainly was true especially when JR first came into the band - he had all these ideas he'd already come up with, but was vetoed numerous times. Recall even the crazy instrumental section in TDEN - JR had that idea but was almost afraid to share it with the other guys for fear of it being rejected.

With MP gone and JP being the sole producer, I'd imagine that he still is the authority to veto ideas, and with MM joining, it was probably similar to what happened when JR first joined. So I imagine that they are welcomed to introduce different ideas, but they don't have equal say in the creative department.
 
 
For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.
:(
That is worrisome.
I think you guys are reading this in a negative light. I think the key thought in MM's statement is that the DT guys wants to do things together. So a DT composition is a song that they come up with AS A GROUP together. If it is a musical idea that you came up with on your own, then it is yours. This only reinforces why the song credit for DT songs is always Music by Dream Theater. I think this is the reason whu JR and JLB always have a lot of solo material. If you came up with it on your own, then it is yours.

Maybe they do not want another Space Dye Vest situation.
JP wrote songs like Wither and Beneath the Surface before the band entered to the studio. He came in, presented the songs in their demo forms for the band to learn and make arrangements if necessary. That's a 'Space Dye-Vest' situation if you ask me, which has nothing wrong with it IMO. Portnoy was the one that put the dark label on SDV by saying Kevin Moore wrote the song, and after they decided to include it in the Awake album he left the band; leaving the song unplayable.
When MP was in the band, I think there was more of a push to write everything as a band in the studio - that's what MP likes to do, and it's for the most part what he still does in his other projects (aside from when he's just a hired gun), altho he obviously is open to fully written songs, if they are good enough (such as Wither and Bridges Across Forever). After he left, I remember reading interviews with JP and JR where they commented about how they'd work and develop ideas over time - if I'm not mistaken, they might have had the seeds planted in the studio, but then took some time away to work them out and fully develop them. So theoretically, they should be more open to MM's ideas than they would've previously.
 
 
I think that if a member of any band comes up with a musical idea on their own, they should feel comfortable showing it to their fellow band mates. I would love to hear a song based around ideas from James or Jordan. It would certainly make the album more diverse.
I agree - while I do think DT is a fairly diverse band, there is always room for more. And now with new personnel in the line up, there can be an injection of new and different ideas than previously. That's not to say I want to see DT make a 180º turn into something they're not, but certainly moving in some different directions than previously while still maintaining their core sound is something I welcome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 14, 2015, 12:42:46 PM
Who's to say these ideas aren't so off the wall that "fitting the mold" actually makes sense.  Just because someone has a musical idea and DT are diverse doesn't mean those ideas can't be too diverse for DT.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Stadler on July 14, 2015, 12:46:53 PM
I used to do this thing in the classes I would teach:  I'd ask everyone to look around the room and count the number of blue shirts and write the number on a slip of paper.  And I'd collect the papers and start looking at them, and really dramatically stop and go (the clean version of) "WTF?  You are all adult professional people.  How come so many of you don't know what "blue" is?" because invariably (it never failed even once) I would get like four or five different numbers.

The point being, ALL words are subjective to a degree.  What does "the mold" mean?   DT is not a band to have a song like "Five Percent For Nothing" on it.  Or a song with banjos.  Or kazoos.   Not knowing what it is that MM is bringing in, or the context for how it is presented to the group, I think it is foolhardy and presumptuous to conclude that DT is neglecting or not taking full advantage of it's new star drummer. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 14, 2015, 03:04:28 PM
Not knowing what it is that MM is bringing in, or the context for how it is presented to the group, I think it is foolhardy and presumptuous to conclude that DT is neglecting or not taking full advantage of it's new star drummer. 

Well, yes, but this is Dream Theater Forums, where some folks have virtually it their life's calling to bend over backwards to misconstrue everything the band says
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 14, 2015, 04:48:25 PM
Keep it clean bosk1 for the kids now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: KevShmev on July 14, 2015, 05:36:36 PM

For example, I have a lot of song chunks, a lot of demos, a lot of work that I’ve done, and I thought “Wow, I would love these guys to take some of my ideas, no matter what, and just do something with it.” But what I have learned is that the band really kind of does things together, and if I was to offer something, it would have to be extraordinary and be something that already fits the mold.

 :(

That is worrisome.

It's kind of always been like that.  The story I always remember is Portnoy commenting that the LTE song Liquid Dreams is something DT could never do, and I wondered, "Why not? It is your band; you can do whatever you want with it!" :facepalm:

And, no, I do not think DT should radically change their sound or anything, but band members being hesitant to bring in ideas because they know ahead of time that they will be rejected is very unfortunate.  That has never happened with a band like Rush, being that Geddy Lee has always said, "If one member wanted to try something different, the other two are always like, 'okay, let's give it a try.'"
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 14, 2015, 05:47:02 PM
This is something I've agreed on always.
DT members are very technically advanced, and they know their fellow musicians do as well, so, in their minds it's like "There is an universal sound that DT has to play, and that's the sound where we can all agree on and no argues on that".

That didn't happen when MP was in the group, simply because MP was waaay more vocal and often forced his ideas into the group, or worked them around with the other members. Now, with MM, everyone is like "Ok, so we recorded this at the soundcheck... Let's work it... Or scrap it"
Or Petrucci, who apparently brought a lot of riffs and stuff from home but they didn't really end up using any of his ideas.
And I'm convinced that Beneath the Surface was added simply because it fit in the few remaining minutes of the CD.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 14, 2015, 05:51:08 PM
That didn't happen when MP was in the group, simply because MP was waaay more vocal and often forced his ideas into the group, or worked them around with the other members.

Not sure where you got that from, but you are misinformed.  That is not how the band functioned, ever.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 14, 2015, 05:56:30 PM
The point being, ALL words are subjective to a degree.  What does "the mold" mean?   DT is not a band to have a song like "Five Percent For Nothing" on it.  Or a song with banjos.  Or kazoos.   Not knowing what it is that MM is bringing in, or the context for how it is presented to the group, I think it is foolhardy and presumptuous to conclude that DT is neglecting or not taking full advantage of it's new star drummer.
This.
Even when they said MM wasn't at the creative process from the start of ADTOE, they never said he had nothing to do.
They programmed the drum parts with a computer but there is no way to tell how much was added and modified and done by Mangini himself unless you were there. The other members constantly praise him for his work, so, where is the point in them not letting his ideas in?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Skeever on July 14, 2015, 06:42:54 PM
That didn't happen when MP was in the group, simply because MP was waaay more vocal and often forced his ideas into the group, or worked them around with the other members.

Not sure where you got that from, but you are misinformed.  That is not how the band functioned, ever.
:huh:

I'm pretty sure MP would be the first person to own up to that kind of behavior.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 14, 2015, 06:45:29 PM
He has never said he "forced" his ideas onto anyone, and others in the band that I have spoken to have denied it (pretty vigorously at that).  And there is not really any evidence that he did.  Most of the music ideas have always come from JP.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 14, 2015, 07:56:38 PM
While that is true in terms of the majority of songs, both KM and DM contributed their own ideas and songs. I know this is eons ago at this point, but it shows that the dynamics must have been different back in the day.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Skeever on July 14, 2015, 08:16:43 PM
I never felt like most musical ideas came from JP until recently.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 14, 2015, 08:26:28 PM
Okay, but however you felt does not change the facts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Skeever on July 15, 2015, 04:19:40 AM
I'm pretty sure that whoever writes lyrics also writes vocal melodies for a particular song, so it's safe to say JP contributes more musical ideas than ever, as the amount of JP lyrics has just continued to increase over the years.

I have a lot of other reasons for thinking that Myung used to bring more to the table, though. Same goes for Portnoy bringing more to the table musically than Mangini. I've seen how Portnoy works on various documentaries like the one for the newest Transatlantic album, and the fact that he plays drums does not stop him from verbally suggesting or even singing parts he'd like to hear the band try and produce. I haven't seen any evidence that Mangini takes on a similar role in DT.

So the dynamic has definitely shifted from one where vocal melodies are more split and where the drummer gives a lot of musical input, to one where JP writes most of the vocal melodies and the drummer just plays drums.

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 15, 2015, 05:49:39 AM
I dont think anyone denies that MP played a larger role in the DT writing process than MM does now and that dynamics were changed when MP left. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 15, 2015, 06:40:25 AM
Here's where I stand on this whole "Member X doesn't contribute ideas" thing:

Honestly, that just seems to be how it works in most bands. You have one or two primary songwriters, and everyone else either chimes in occasionally or just records what they're told do. I don't think that's worrisome at all. It's not like JM and MM can't contribute ideas, they just don't as much.

Also, while I 100% agree that it would be cool if DT experimented a little more, it's pretty common for bands to want to write their music a certain way or place certain limits around themselves. Even Steven Wilson has said numerous times that in Porcupine Tree, he didn't want to bring music to the table that was too far out there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on July 15, 2015, 07:41:47 AM
I  pretty much agree with TOX, and think he doing a very disappointing job of being unseasoned considering how reasonable he is all the bloody time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 15, 2015, 07:46:04 AM
Here, let me help.  :TOX:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 15, 2015, 07:51:10 AM
:lol





Now I got "Aahhh, push it!" stuck in my head.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on July 15, 2015, 03:54:22 PM
Quote from: JR, Interview in Norway
– What about Dream Theater’s future?

– We have been working hard on a new album, which will be released early next year. The good thing with this band is that we always manage to change the direction a bit. I think the Dream Theater fans will find what we have been working on interesting.

Nothing new, but still quite interesting. Again there are hints that the next album might be slightly different from the usual standard.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 15, 2015, 04:15:50 PM
I can't remember a single album in history, DT and non-DT, where I have not seen that kind of statement :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 15, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
" Our new album will be the heaviest shit we've ever done "


* release softest album they've ever done *



 - All Bands.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2015, 11:41:21 PM
I can't remember a single album in history, DT and non-DT, where I have not seen that kind of statement :lol

Yup. A comment like that is so general and vague, that it could mean something very different, or it could mean absolutely nothing at all. DT haven't really made any statements yet about the new album that don't fit under the same category.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BelichickFan on July 16, 2015, 06:36:09 AM
I'm not expecting the album to be any more different than other album to album changes over the years.  Clearly the band seems to think so, though.  Going back in this thread somewhere, there was someone who talked to Jordan and (paraphrased) Jordan said it would be somewhat different, was asked if he meant a concept album and responded that they've already done that so it wouldn't be different.  So it seems clear that the band, or Jordan anyway, thinks this is a little different than anything they've done before.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 16, 2015, 07:04:46 AM
So no double album either then.

An album as one massive suite ? I guess they've kinda done that before too.

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BelichickFan on July 16, 2015, 07:23:48 AM
So no double album either then.

An album as one massive suite ? I guess they've kinda done that before too.
I wish I could find the quote but this thread is too long.  Regardless, I paraphrased it about right.  Which would eliminate a double album.  But not a triple album  :biggrin:

Whether the difference is something obvious (like length, concept, # tracks) or more stuff that only a musician would notice, who knows but, again, clearly they think it's something different.  Something like Fragile would be cool where each player gets his own space on a track; but I've been listening to a lot of Yes since Squire's death.  Who knows, I can't wait to find out more.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mimipetrucci on July 16, 2015, 01:21:02 PM
excited about this :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 16, 2015, 05:11:28 PM
I said, it's going to be pop oriented.

A song will feature Ludacris on vocals with LaBrie while they rap at weird time changes.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: zecawolf on July 16, 2015, 05:15:58 PM
I said, it's going to be pop oriented.

A song will feature Ludacris on vocals with LaBrie while they rap at weird time changes.

call me radical. if that was the case, I wouldn't bother giving it one listen. Gladly, I highly doubt it will ever come close to happening
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 16, 2015, 05:30:48 PM
They're finally going to do their world album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 17, 2015, 12:15:33 AM
They're finally going to do their world album.

I'd like them to explore that, although I get the feeling if it's something that different, it will be a completely new idea rather than a known old one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 17, 2015, 12:18:16 AM
I think their world album thing was a one time idea that none of them probably remember at this point. They're probably in a 'let's make the best DT album we could ever do... heavy, melodic and progressive in every aspect!' state of mind like they've been for the past 3 albums or something like that. Shame.

They could really get inspired by artists like Peter Gabriel and their marvellous explorations of world music and create something really authentic. Probably not gonna happen, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on July 17, 2015, 03:25:41 AM
I can't remember a single album in history, DT and non-DT, where I have not seen that kind of statement :lol

And also "I feel like it's our best album so far. We've managed to do something fresh and original, while still maintaining our core sound and identity. It's a heavy album with loud guitars, but also very prog. We really felt a sense of unity as a band while recording the album"
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 17, 2015, 05:00:28 AM
Thing is, as far as I'm concerned, DT never used to have a "signature sound".  The first DT album I heard was I&W, back in 1992. The first song on that album is "Pull Me Under", the second is "Another Day". I can't think of another band that has put two completely different songs back to back on an album like that, a heavy, thrashy metalfest followed by a soft, almost jazz-fusion ballard. With a saxophone. And if that wasn't weird enough, the third song is "Take The Time", which sounds like Rush, Yes and the Red Hot Chilli Peppers playing different songs in different keys and tempos at the same time.

Awake sounded nothing like I&W, and FII sounded nothing like either of those. The simple fact is, I listened to every new DT album with a sense of wonder - could music really be like this?

For my money, DT can/could do anything they want. World music? A classical symphony? A bluegrass album? Bring it on, I'm sure it would still have the innovation, musicality and attitude that make it DT.

But they do seem to have stopped trying. For me, Systematic Chaos was the first album that, while it has some moments of brilliance, doesn't really bring anything new to the party (although both TOT and 8VM lacked something). I've loved every album since, but they just don't compare IMO. The changes to their live shows haven't helped either.

I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.

This is evidenced in two ways, firstly the song-writing itself, where even the quiet songs have to have metal bits (everytime I hear the intro to The Bigger Picture I wish it started with the piano part - the only reason I can see for that loud intro is that they don't want the metal kidz to think "OMG a ballard" and switch off. That intro just sceams "don't worry kidz, it'll get loud again in a minute".

And secondly, audio quality. For a few albums now, DT seem to have embraced this "everything louder than everything else" approach to their albums. For those of us with quality top-end hi-fis, their recent albums are just a wall of noise. I would love to see DT's next album be a proper audiophile release, but it ain't gonna happen.

So while DT never used to have a signature sound, I guess they do now. And that is very restricting for a band that a great many fans would follow anywhere. So I reckon the next DT album is going to sound exactly like the last few. Like the man said - Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss. I'm sure the metal-head kidz will love it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: GandL on July 17, 2015, 05:51:27 AM
Hopefully not, but I agree with you and fear the same.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2015, 05:55:47 AM
I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.

This is evidenced in two ways, firstly the song-writing itself, where even the quiet songs have to have metal bits (everytime I hear the intro to The Bigger Picture I wish it started with the piano part - the only reason I can see for that loud intro is that they don't want the metal kidz to think "OMG a ballard" and switch off. That intro just sceams "don't worry kidz, it'll get loud again in a minute".

Just because some of us enjoy metal, does not make the music "dumb".  This whole notion of kidz and metal and not being able to enjoy a ballad is garbage.  I would imagine there are many fans who do fall into this category, who only like the heavy songs, but I think thats a smaller subset of the fan base and not representative of the "metal fan" in general.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: jmasterx on July 17, 2015, 06:13:05 AM
The new album will be 13 songs @ 3.5 minutes each:

The time sinuratures will be:
4/4
2/4
3/4
4/4
5/4
6/4
7/4
4/4
9/8
10/4
11/4
12/8
13/4

They will expand on the idea of short songs from DT 12 and make an entire album of short songs! Never been done!

Also, this album will feature microtonal riffs!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 17, 2015, 06:48:11 AM
A couple of thoughts:

But they do seem to have stopped trying. For me, Systematic Chaos was the first album that, while it has some moments of brilliance, doesn't really bring anything new to the party (although both TOT and 8VM lacked something). I've loved every album since, but they just don't compare IMO. The changes to their live shows haven't helped either.

Honestly, I don't think the band has stopped trying so much as they're simply at a point in their career where they just want to play the music they love. There are artists who will always want to push the boundaries of what they've done before, but most bands get to a point where they just wanna do what they do.

I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.

I understand there's probably some intentional hyperbole here, and I certainly agree there's a portion of every metal fan base that's a little meat-headed, but I don't fit into these categories. I got into DT when I was 14, which was ten years ago now. I love most of their material, am less keen on some of it, but overall still feel like I'm part of a really cool club and think that the band is in a good place right now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 17, 2015, 07:13:34 AM
I've been a fan since 1997 and I do not wish them to go back to their old sound. I am not a nostalgia freak who sees their I&W phase as their peak. What's with these generalizations that only newer fans like the newer stuff?

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: 425 on July 17, 2015, 07:59:17 AM
I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.

As a Dream Theater fan who is under the age of 21 and has been a fan for fewer than five years, I did not know that all I want is "something dumb and more and more metal." Thank you for informing me of this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ? on July 17, 2015, 08:04:43 AM
I'm 20, have been a fan since 2009 and the first three albums are in my top 4, so the generalization doesn't work for me, either.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 17, 2015, 08:34:39 AM
I've only been a fan since 2008 and my top four albums are Scenes From a Memory and Images and Words (their two most classic albums) along with Octavarium and A Dramatic Turn of Events (the two albums in the second half of their discography that are closest to the "classic" sound). Why generalize?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CDrice on July 17, 2015, 08:39:01 AM
This is evidenced in two ways, firstly the song-writing itself, where even the quiet songs have to have metal bits (everytime I hear the intro to The Bigger Picture I wish it started with the piano part - the only reason I can see for that loud intro is that they don't want the metal kidz to think "OMG a ballard" and switch off. That intro just sceams "don't worry kidz, it'll get loud again in a minute".

First I want to say that I agree with some of the thing you've wrote (like the first three paragraphs). But this part kind of makes me confused. You could very well say something similar about the instrumental/guitar solo section of Lifting Shadows or the second verse of Learning to Live. Switching between heavy and soft is what they do since forever.

I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.

As a Dream Theater fan who is under the age of 21 and has been a fan for fewer than five years, I did not know that all I want is "something dumb and more and more metal." Thank you for informing me of this.

Similar thing here. I'm in my mid-twenties and I became a fan with Black Clouds and Silver Linings. My top three is the typical Images and Words, Six degrees and Scenes. However I guess since I was never a metal-head, what The Curious Orange wrote doesn't really apply to me. I was into pop punk before before discovering Dream Theater :lol

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Randaran on July 17, 2015, 09:16:58 AM
However I guess since I was never a metal-head, what The Curious Orange wrote doesn't really apply to me. I was into pop punk before before discovering Dream Theater :lol

I am an under-20 metal head, and what he wrote doesn't apply to me.  :lol In fact, I am willing to bet that it applies to, at most, a very small portion of DT's fanbase.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 17, 2015, 09:39:15 AM
I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.

As a Dream Theater fan who is under the age of 21 and has been a fan for fewer than five years, I did not know that all I want is "something dumb and more and more metal." Thank you for informing me of this.

Young, Dumb & full of......metal. :lol


I just want a good sounding album that is organic and has separation in the instruments.  Otherwise, this old fart is good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Sycsa on July 17, 2015, 09:40:42 AM
I was a huge prog snob in my mid-late teens, looking down on dumb metal music and dumb metal fans from my ivory tower built from ivory, flutes, Hammonds, Mellotrons and Minimoogs, became more open minded and started to appreciate metal in my early 20s (largely thanks to DT) and now I play drums in cover bands playing classic thrash metal and I can't wait to see Judas Priest next week (still, a small compensation for the cancelled-in-the-last-minute DT show I was supposed to see a couple of weeks ago). Yeah, as usual, no point to generalize.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on July 17, 2015, 11:05:29 AM

I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.


Swing and a miss.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: zecawolf on July 17, 2015, 11:27:21 AM
As I have said, I am "of a certain age" (45) and I follow DT's career since the very beginning. I had a lot of friends that were very impressed and liked it at first listen. I was not  the case. I didn't like the band at first and STILL do not like the fisrst albuns. I am only a fan now because I kept listening to their releases without prejudice from my previous opinion. To me, DT is a band LIGHT YEARS ahead now from where they were in the 90's. I certainly do not hope they go back to what they were in the beginning.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 17, 2015, 12:30:30 PM
Song Setlist

REM (2:10): Similar to FAS, created to open live shows. Features light guitars, strings, joyful drumming to introduce an album filled with smiles and happiness.

New Awakening (6:13): Unusual composition to start the album. It is a Progessive Pop Song and features lyrics about a boy who wakes up a morning and gets everything ready to school, takes the bus, enjoys the classes and laughs and has fun with everyone of his little friends at school. Returns and greets his parents and feels happy and excited for tomorrow. Cheesiest lyrics ever made by a human being. Lyrics by: John Petrucci

Conqueror (5:55): A very techno song about a man who is all about watching porn. He watches so much porn and faps so much that he becomes the fastest fapper in the world. roughly 20 cycles per second. Because his constant self-pleasure is paying a toll on his health, he decides to leave his home and meets another guy who casually fingers just about as fast. This other guy teaches him his way with girls. Lyrics by: Mike Mangini

Metropolis Pt III: The Wizard and the Fairy (Isn't this a song by a span...nvm) (11:54): Incredibly difficult prog symphonic song, it deals with a man who practices 6 hours a day to play his favorite instrument, but in the process loses all touch with the entire world. He's a brilliant mind that falls in love with a girl who surprisingly lacks any talent but is just awesome. She drags him out of the music world until he eventually realizes that he's placed in her curse and has two choices, either accept her and live with her but leaving his musical career, or murdering her and going on with his music dream. Lyrics by: Jordan Rudess

Whiteout Blackout (8:51): A man who constantly suffers from stage fright discovers a way to perform and do things correctly without anything going wrong: he just pretends nobody's there and goes along with the ride. The cost? People begin to doubt his humanity and loses many friends in the process. He disconnects from everyone and gets to a point where he cannot communicate verbally with people. To the point where he uses his instrument as a shield to protect his emotions from the outer world. Ballad, and saddest song so far in the album. Lyrics by: John Myung

Plank Walk (7:37): A sailor prays to the heavens for aid in his loot. The gods answer and allow him to earn the power of being feared and respected as if he lived among them. The gods tell him which places to assault and earn loots, as well as how and when. In exchange, they ask him to become their spokesman, the gods were powerful but could not make the people of earth adore them by sheer power, they needed the voice of a mortal. So now the man, everytime he assaulted and looted someplace, was forced to tell everyone that he was a servant of some omnipotent gods. The man regrets this... A line in this song is done by invited rapped Ludacris, who makes a very remorseful voice. Heaviest song on the album. Lyrics by: James LaBrie.

Stream of Anxiousness (10:00): The previous song morphs into this heavy "instrumental", which, with every minute that passes, slowly becomes darker, heavier, more grotesque and with far more and more strange time signatures. Throughout the first minutes, audio samples of children laughing can be heard, like the ones from the first track. Near the end, the wailing and painful cries of agony of many people can be heard, the person is clearly going utterly insane. Samples from a last part describe a person inside a room writing random 13's in the wall.

Falling Into Insanity (26:00): Epic track, split in two main parts of 13 minutes each and each one with it's own variations.
1.- Quiet, calm, but also very erratic and with weird parts which are described as Disturbing. LaBrie's lyrics sound better than ever and clearer. Piano passages and guitar passages form some of the most complex and beautiful things DT has ever done. The lyrics deal with an individual coming to realize that He's not Insane, rather, everyone is. Thus he is placed in seclusion and forced to deal with the aspects of life that brought him there. How he had a family, and how he considered them to be his brothers and how much he loved and admired them, but is ultimately forced to abandon them for reasons he has grown to believe were a conspiration against him from his old friends. Now, forced to switch from room to room, thinks this. He recalls of when he wrote parts for a very long distant song, and convinced himself that he might be stuck in the same place where his other characters where and examines his trip through the different aspects of life.

2.- Agressive, progressive, extreme and very random, the lyrics here deal with the same man accepting that now he can't end that cycle. And recalls when he wrote a story about a man trapped inside something he called an "Octavarium" (thus, this giant song reprises parts from Octavarium as well as having lyrical continuity with Razor's Edge). He feels he's trapped in this process now, where now all he can do is wonder on whether or not he can bring himself to good terms with his inner demons represented by his old friends who left him away. Also wonders on whether or not this is worth it, as when the end cames, the universe ceases to exist, since there is no basis for time and space.
At the end, a slight ray of hope is seen where REM is reprised but with lyrics. He feels he can do something, just hopes to have enough time to do so and that they will take it.
Who wrote the lyrics to this part is left as a mistery and is simply labeled as "Dream Theater"
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: jakepriest on July 17, 2015, 12:51:43 PM
*snip*

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

This forum hasn't made me laugh like this in a long time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CDrice on July 17, 2015, 12:55:48 PM
*hilarious post*

What did I just read  :rollin

Also since the album is suppose to be a bit different I'm expecting we'll read the following in the CD booklet

James Labrie-Drums
John Petrucci-Vocals
Jordan Rudess-Guitar
John Myung-Bass
Mike Mangini-Keyboards

You heard it here first!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 17, 2015, 01:06:03 PM
*snip*

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

This forum hasn't made me laugh like this in a long time.





:emo: I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Evermind on July 17, 2015, 01:31:09 PM
Quote
Plank Walk (7:37): A sailor prays to the heavens for aid in his loot. The gods answer and allow him to earn the power of being feared and respected as if he lived among them. The gods tell him which places to assault and earn loots, as well as how and when. In exchange, they ask him to become their spokesman, the gods were powerful but could not make the people of earth adore them by sheer power, they needed the voice of a mortal. So now the man, everytime he assaulted and looted someplace, was forced to tell everyone that he was a servant of some omnipotent gods. The man regrets this... <cut> Heaviest song on the album. Lyrics by: James LaBrie.

You know, I actually like this one. Sounds like it would fit on Systematic Chaos alright.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CDrice on July 17, 2015, 02:19:13 PM
Quote
Plank Walk (7:37): A sailor prays to the heavens for aid in his loot. The gods answer and allow him to earn the power of being feared and respected as if he lived among them. The gods tell him which places to assault and earn loots, as well as how and when. In exchange, they ask him to become their spokesman, the gods were powerful but could not make the people of earth adore them by sheer power, they needed the voice of a mortal. So now the man, everytime he assaulted and looted someplace, was forced to tell everyone that he was a servant of some omnipotent gods. The man regrets this... <cut> Heaviest song on the album. Lyrics by: James LaBrie.

You know, I actually like this one. Sounds like it would fit on Systematic Chaos alright.

A sailor of the seas
The incarnation of fear
Behold his majestic beard
For it's the last thing you'll see
RAAAWR!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Octavarious on July 17, 2015, 04:02:46 PM
THAT post
Brilliant - I endorse with enthusiasm but I would then get John Zorn as guest musician to add a little bit of improvisational chaos here and there...
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 17, 2015, 05:23:21 PM
Thank you, thank you so much.
Maybe you guys don't know but I'm the one responsible for writing Metropolis Pt I lyrics and the entire SFAM except for One Last Time.

One Last Time features comments made by the band about my work.
"It doesn't make any sense..."
"In spite of the evidence... There's something still missing"
And so they asked me things like "Did Victoria wound his soul? Did she bid him farewell?" and so on.

James actually helped me nail a few of the lyrics and we discovered together that the section after the solo in One Last Time was the same as the Strange Deja Vu chorus, which is why he wrote "Coincidence I can't believe!"

Since I cannot wait for you guys to see my work at DT13, I've leaked it all for you exclusive DTF Material.
Thanks, thank you all
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Bertielee on July 18, 2015, 01:35:09 AM
Dark, you're unbelievable. Hilarious posts!

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 18, 2015, 04:45:59 AM
OK, firstly, I didn't mean to insult anyone, least of all younger fans. I like big, dumb metal just as much as anyone, it's just that I feel that there always used to be more to DTs sound - metal was just one of the colours in their pallette. It just seems to me that the "metal" has taken over, and there really seems to be a drive towards this "everything louder than everything else" sound that is so prevalent thesedays. 

I was really just wondering aloud whether the band are trying to cater to a particular sort of fan at the expense of a larger section of their fanbase that they're risking alienating.

Secondly, I DON'T want the band to go back to their old sound - I want the band to experiment and try something new, to move forwards and progress (like they used to). I for one think they've grown a little stale lately. If, as some people suggest, that's the band's artistic decision, then good luck to them. But seeing as this change happened about the time they signed to Roadrunner, I can't help wondering how much of it is commercially driven, rather than artistically driven.

Again, sorry if I offended anyone - we're all DT fans together, and therefore all have the great taste in music!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 18, 2015, 07:12:44 AM
Bands don't cater to their fans, band make music they want and the fan base has to adjust, or not.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on July 18, 2015, 06:01:58 PM
Something they've never done before...

A 10 track album?  ???
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: jammindude on July 20, 2015, 06:37:14 PM
OK, firstly, I didn't mean to insult anyone, least of all younger fans. I like big, dumb metal just as much as anyone, it's just that I feel that there always used to be more to DTs sound - metal was just one of the colours in their pallette. It just seems to me that the "metal" has taken over, and there really seems to be a drive towards this "everything louder than everything else" sound that is so prevalent thesedays. 
<snip>

Wow...I just do not hear this *at all*.    I believe DT *was* kindof going that way when MP was still in the band.   ToT and SC particularly stuck out at me as trying way too hard to just cater to the metal side.    ToT I feel at least did it successfully, but I think they should have just let it be after that.   "Here.  We did one 'all metal' album, so we're happy now."     At least 8V was more balanced (brilliantly so) but then SC and even BCSL to an extent just tended to try to be "walls of power chords" instead of really honing in their more melodic side.   

I feel like ADTOE was a much needed 'return to the melody' and DT12 was even moreso.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on July 20, 2015, 06:48:00 PM
I mostly agree J Dude. That was the real victory of ADTOE. A little less so on DT12, but DT 13 I expect to be very balanced.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Anguyen92 on July 21, 2015, 12:56:37 AM
I strongly believe there are two sorts of DT fan - those of us of a certain age who've followed this band for 20 years and really want to see a return to the glory days when being a DT fan really made you feel part of something special, and younger metal-head kidz, who really only want something dumb and more and more metal. DT are more frightened of losing the kidz than they are of losing the long-time fans.

As a Dream Theater fan who is under the age of 21 and has been a fan for fewer than five years, I did not know that all I want is "something dumb and more and more metal." Thank you for informing me of this.

Similar thing here. I'm in my mid-twenties and I became a fan with Black Clouds and Silver Linings. My top three is the typical Images and Words, Six degrees and Scenes. However I guess since I was never a metal-head, what The Curious Orange wrote doesn't really apply to me. I was into pop punk before before discovering Dream Theater :lol

Pretty late to comment on that, but I'm catching up in reading this thread now and I'm pretty much in that boat as you guys are.  I'm 23 now.  Been a fan of DT for about two years now, before the self-titled is out.  Whist I do agree the albums like Images & Words and Scenes From A Memory are their "prime" albums, if I was going to do a top 50 albums list (which I probably will start, hopefully, once I get my 1,000th post here), I would put the self-titled above those albums, for my own personal reasons and opinions.  I feel like not all moments of DT12 have been overcomed by the "heavy sounds for the sake of it" mentality and there are certain songs like The Bigger Picture, Surrender to Reason, etc. felt like good songs with parts that was placed in the right time and stuff like that.

I mean, at this point in life, I do my best to not really claim to be a metalhead.  I claim to be a fan of rock music that likes certain sounds of metal and try to appreciation any form of music as long as I can understand the hard work and effort the act makes and they are legit and stuff like that and not prefab BS.

Bands don't cater to their fans, band make music they want and the fan base has to adjust, or not.

I concur.  One of things that makes me buy albums of my favorite bands from stores, before listening to that album, is that I have to trust that the band to deliver regardless of the direction they want to go to.  If they do not give me that confidence for me to trust them, buying the album is a no go.  I don't want them to cater to me, because I sure as hell do not know what I want sometimes at certain points of time.  However, I want them to convince me, which can be easy to do with the right tone, that I would like what I'm going to hear even if it could be something that I'm hesitant on sometimes.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: me7 on July 21, 2015, 05:02:56 AM
ToT, SC and BCaSL at least were pushes for modern progressive metal. DT12 (at least the middle half of the album) is geared towards Iron Maiden and is too cheasy at times for my taste. I wish they'd stop doing that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2015, 05:15:43 AM
ToT, SC and BCaSL at least were pushes for modern progressive metal. DT12 (at least the middle half of the album) is geared towards Iron Maiden and is too cheasy at times for my taste. I wish they'd stop doing that.

Geared towards IM?  Maybe Enigma Machine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 21, 2015, 05:32:13 AM
Bands don't cater to their fans, band make music they want and the fan base has to adjust, or not.

I hate to burst your bubble, but bands cater to their record label. The label is putting up the money, and gets the final say. Yeah, sure, bands like DT have a hell of a lot more creative freedoms than many other bands, but if they decide to record an album of Patagonian nose flute music, you can bet your bottom dollar Roadrunner would most likely refuse to release it and demand their advance back.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: sneakyblueberry on July 21, 2015, 06:38:02 AM
ToT, SC and BCaSL at least were pushes for modern progressive metal. DT12 (at least the middle half of the album) is geared towards Iron Maiden and is too cheasy at times for my taste. I wish they'd stop doing that.

Geared towards IM? 

Yeah, waaah?  I don't think anything DT has done since the 90s has sounded anything remotely like Maiden.  By 'Maiden' I mean 'any good'.

hahaha lol jk
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Nest777 on July 21, 2015, 07:19:23 AM
Well, here's some new info about DT13 and the tour directly from James LaBrie (source-in spanish-: https://www.themetalcircus.com/entrevistas/dream-theater-celebran-treinta-anos-de-carrera-con-su-fecha-unica-en-rock-fest-bcn/#)

-They won't do a special show this year ala Score to celebrate de 30 years of the band. Maybe in 2016.
-John Petrucci came up with the entire setlist for this summer tour.
-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost Souls, Disappear and Take the Time in the next tour.
-The Evening With shows will stay for the next tour.
-The release date for DT13 is late January/early February.
-DT13 is being recorded in Cove City Sound Studios, just like ToT, ADToE and DT12.
-James LaBrie will record vocals right afeter the summer tour ends, in Richard Chycki's studio in Canada.
-Richard Chycki is the sound engineer once again...
-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues.
-James LaBrie hints at a concept album, but he can't confirm nor deny that fact.
-We'll have news on the album this fall, including some audio snippets. They're dying to finally reveal it!

Aaaand that's it  ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on July 21, 2015, 07:25:03 AM
Cool. Glad to hear they're "dying to reveal it", it may be a routine thing to say, but it's still good to hear.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on July 21, 2015, 07:31:20 AM
"-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues."

ohyes  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Bolsters on July 21, 2015, 07:34:13 AM
Yeah, that is definitely the most exciting tidbit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BelichickFan on July 21, 2015, 07:36:19 AM
'Evening With" = I will definitely be there again.  Awesome.

And their excitement = my excitement, I am so ready to hear what's coming.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 21, 2015, 07:43:05 AM
"-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues."

ohyes  :hefdaddy

Not to be a downer, but they've made comments about sound issues before. Before the release of BCASL they said something to the effect of being aware of the loudness war and not wanting to be a part of it. I'd say the most recent album they've released where I haven't had major audio gripes is Octavarium. It's becoming a standard problem for most modern albums unfortunately.
I'm optimistic the album will sound better than DT12 though.

Everything else is pretty routine, but it's interesting that JLB will be recording the vocals right after some touring. I wonder if the warm-up will help him in the studio?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on July 21, 2015, 07:49:22 AM
If the new album sounds like BC&SL, I'll be fine with that. The sound is the least of that album's problems. But I don't know much about sound stuff, so honestly that album sounds fine to me. But even for someone as uneducated about that as me, DT12 still sounds like shit, so as long as the production is better than that, I'll be content.

I wouldn't mind for the songwriting and lyrics to be better as well, but that's another matter.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2015, 07:49:54 AM
Hopefully he is %100 since its been said he has been sick and struggling a bit this tour.

Either way, all is good news.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: emtee on July 21, 2015, 07:51:46 AM
The comments about the sound are HUGE for me. Absolutely huge. This one single detail has me very pumped for the new album.
I'm thankful they recognized it's a legit issue and have addressed it.

Awesome!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: goo-goo on July 21, 2015, 08:06:48 AM
Great news about the sound. Hopefully DT13 will satisfy everyone. ADTOE and DT12 have been very controversial sound wise. Would of loved for Jens Boergen to mix DT13. He's done a great job with Katatonia, Symphony X, JLB solo albums, etc...

I was listening to Devin Townsend's Epicloud and Sky Blue and the snare on those albums sound very similar as MM's snare in DT12. So I'm not sure how DT got all the flack but the other DT (Townsend) didn't (as far as I know).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 21, 2015, 08:15:16 AM
I hope they would retain the more up front bass though. Just give it more bottom, less treble.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2015, 08:15:39 AM
I don't think ADToE & DT12 are *unlistenable* - but they would both be improved with one small change.

The former needed more prominent drums and the latter needed a much snappier drum sound and slightly less hotter mastering.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on July 21, 2015, 08:18:00 AM
I don't think Epicloud's snare sounds like DT12. On Epicloud, it actually sounds like a snare.

I don't think ADToE & DT12 are *unlistenable* - but they would both be improved with one small change.

I think ADToE is fine, aside from a bit unenergetic and somewhat unnatural drum sound. But DT12 is nigh on unlistenable.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 21, 2015, 08:22:26 AM
It's the hyperboles that kill me. Unlistenable?

The worst drum sound is Luna Park. Makes Mangini sound like an amateur that hits drums softly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2015, 08:29:09 AM
Yeah DT12's snare sounds like when you break the snare skin - stick gaffer tape on the rip and tighten it up again.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 21, 2015, 08:29:17 AM
I don't think Epicloud's snare sounds like DT12. On Epicloud, it actually sounds like a snare.

I don't think ADToE & DT12 are *unlistenable* - but they would both be improved with one small change.

I think ADToE is fine, aside from a bit unenergetic and somewhat unnatural drum sound. But DT12 is nigh on unlistenable.

The HDTracks version of DT12 is acceptable (still not great, but a noticeable improvement), but the CD is a wall of over-compressed guitar noise drowning out everything.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on July 21, 2015, 08:34:17 AM
It's the hyperboles that kill me. Unlistenable?

The worst drum sound is Luna Park. Makes Mangini sound like an amateur that hits drums softly.

Haven't listened to Luna Park so I wouldn't know. But I'm not kidding with my statements about DT12. I can't really listen to the DT12 tracks without constantly thinking about how dull the production is. I can find almost zero enjoyment in listening to it, therefore I call it "nigh on unlistenable".

Yeah DT12's snare sounds like when you break the snare skin - stick gaffer tape on the rip and tighten it up again.

I've always thought they sound like some cheap sample on a free drum program. All the hits sound like button presses. Which would be fine if they were making electronic dance music, but not on a prog metal album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Voices on July 21, 2015, 09:43:04 AM
The problem with ADTOE is the drum sound. It's not very loud and clear enough. But, the overall sound is not that bad.
DT12 has a clear problem with the overall mix. Too much compression and the lack of dynamics ended up hiding many brilliant details of the melodies (such as cymbals and keyboards). The bass sound is delightful, but the keys are buried in the mix.

I'm glad that the band heard the negative feedback about the mix and want to make changes for this new record. Both of the recent albuns has positive things, that I think they can apply on this new record.

Can't wait to hear those snippets they're dying to reveal!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2015, 09:45:53 AM
I just want an album that sounds as nice and airy as Octavarium again.

But I also know it won't happen.

The best we can hope for is the BC&SL mix again.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 21, 2015, 09:57:10 AM
I just want an album that sounds as nice and airy as Octavarium again.

But I also know it won't happen.

The best we can hope for is the BC&SL mix again.

The BC&SL mix was good except for the keyboards and bass being way too low in the mix. Listen to the isolated keyboards from TCoT. Jordan is doing a lot of amazing stuff that you can barely hear. The bass mix is extremely inconsistent. On TCoT you can hear the bass just fine but on TSF you can't barely hear it at all. If they had mixed the bass and keyboards better the mix on BC&SL would be amazing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Voices on July 21, 2015, 11:20:18 AM
My biggest problem about BCSL's bass is the tone. I listened to the bass stems, and it sounds kinda dirty. DT12's bass is so much better in every aspect. And for DT13, I'm not expecting that the best we can hope for, is something like BCSL. They have the capacity to break new ground and throw us something brand new in therms of mix and dynamics.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2015, 12:19:32 PM
I have faith it will be... different, but will it be better? That's a matter of opinion, but I'd say it'll likely be better than the last two albums. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 21, 2015, 01:09:27 PM
Good info from James in that interview. Encouraged to hear the band realizes the sound issues, not all bands are willing enough to listen to outside criticism and take it constructively, it sounds like DT may have done that here.

This also pretty much confirms (I think it was assumed but not confirmed) that all the instruments are done being recorded and James' vocals are the only thing left.

I'm really happy to hear the Evening With shows are sticking around for another tour as well! I wonder if MM is happy about that...
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
I'm really happy to hear the Evening With shows are sticking around for another tour as well! I wonder if MM is happy about that...

Im sure his bank account is happy with that  :lol  I know us fans are also happy about that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 21, 2015, 01:58:42 PM
My biggest problem with DT12's mix is that everything is so friggin' loud. Everything, all the time. It doesn't sound natural or musical. The Bigger Picture could've been of my favorite DT songs of all time if it didn't sound so demn-in-your-face. The  song has some beautiful piano and string arrangements that are barely audible because of the big chocolate cake guitar and the big, loud and lifeless snare drum that is almost painful to listen to.

That's something the band lost with MP, I reckon. I mean...his drums usually sound incredible, both in live and studio settings. I'm incredibly excited for the new sonic direction the band's gonna take after this, so I'm all in.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Crow on July 21, 2015, 02:18:43 PM
DT12 and WDADU are the only two DT albums I think suck on a production level, I'm not that picky  :lol
DT12 sounds worse than WDADU though which is just impressive more than anything, those 24 years made a huge difference didn't they
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 21, 2015, 02:33:35 PM
I'm really happy to hear the Evening With shows are sticking around for another tour as well! I wonder if MM is happy about that...

Im sure his bank account is happy with that  :lol  I know us fans are also happy about that.

 :lol For sure! I just meant that it seemed like the size of the set last tour among other things was stressful for him. Hopefully the longer he is in the band, the more comfortable he is with the songs and the performances. Also it will help that the percentage of tunes in the sets that he has recorded original drum parts for will probably continue to increase as more and more albums with him are released.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2015, 02:40:57 PM
I'm really happy to hear the Evening With shows are sticking around for another tour as well! I wonder if MM is happy about that...

Im sure his bank account is happy with that  :lol  I know us fans are also happy about that.

 :lol For sure! I just meant that it seemed like the size of the set last tour among other things was stressful for him. Hopefully the longer he is in the band, the more comfortable he is with the songs and the performances. Also it will help that the percentage of tunes in the sets that he has recorded original drum parts for will probably continue to increase as more and more albums with him are released.

Oh totally, I cant imagine how grueling an evening with DT world tour must be.  But, he did it before and is still going at it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 21, 2015, 03:48:00 PM
"-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues."

ohyes  :hefdaddy
I wonder if this is a result of them trying to be more involved in the social media side of things. This is especially good news, as is the rest of the info that was posted. I'm pretty stoked for this record.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 21, 2015, 03:55:06 PM
"-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues."

ohyes  :hefdaddy
I wonder if this is a result of them trying to be more involved in the social media side of things. This is especially good news, as is the rest of the info that was posted. I'm pretty stoked for this record.

Or just checked a thread on this site, like any DT related thread.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 21, 2015, 03:56:48 PM
"-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues."

ohyes  :hefdaddy
I wonder if this is a result of them trying to be more involved in the social media side of things. This is especially good news, as is the rest of the info that was posted. I'm pretty stoked for this record.

Or just checked a thread on this site, like any DT related thread.
Apparently they have been around this forum in the recent year or two, which I meant to include in my point.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 21, 2015, 05:10:04 PM
Most people deal with the 3-hour set playing as if they were forced to do that.

Musicians and a lot of people will agree with this.
My university has a band with which I've played gigs with less than 24 hours apart around here, and the night between both shows, I barely slept and was very tired during the second day. Even during the small rehearsal we had before the second show, I was still considerably tired. However, when the group that played before us finished and it was our turn, just listening to the "roar" of the audience (which was a local festival with around 1000 people haha), the adrenaline just fills you up entirely, completely, and you get focused and what you're doing, but most importantly: you have fun.

Because it's something you love. And now, these 1000 people were not there exclusively to see us, they were probably waiting for another group that was to play before us or after. Anyway, that was enough to cause a giant adrenaline rush that just keeps you moving. I wanted to play more until I ran out of repertory (And I'm not really good at all!)
Now, I can just imagine how is it to have WAAAY more people that that EVERY NIGHT at DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE WORLD to see YOU, just YOU. Man, I think it's like being the king of the world.
So no, I doubt the 3 hours long shows are an issue.
I think the main problem is traveling, most people got troubles to catch sleep while traveling, especially at planes. The time changes, you might sleep at 8 P.M. regularly but when you get overseas it might be 3 A.M. so you got to sleep earlier and that's normally not possible to do in less than a day. My thoughts.

Now, if age is another issue, I wouldn't mind Rudess having to sit during the gig to play, I'm not there to see him spinning around tho.

And for drummers, there is a TECHNIQUE, most non-drummers get tired after less than a short song of playing (Petrucci himself), and others endure much much longer, it's just matter of getting used to it, and this band, being better than the average group, has definitely mastered that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 21, 2015, 05:51:14 PM
And these guys take care of themselves. James always runs and stays in shape while on tour, as well as keeping away from alcohol on tour for the sake of his voice. We all know JP lifts and what not. These guys are in good shape physically and of course they are in good enough shape to play their complex music for 2.5+ hours a night. For the next 5+ years, I don't really see stamina at a show as an issue. Rudess will more or less be the first to show signs of not being able to do as much, but he's considerably older than the rest of the guys, I believe.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on July 21, 2015, 08:49:23 PM
"-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues."

ohyes  :hefdaddy
I wonder if this is a result of them trying to be more involved in the social media side of things. This is especially good news, as is the rest of the info that was posted. I'm pretty stoked for this record.

Or just checked a thread on this site, like any DT related thread.
Apparently they have been around this forum in the recent year or two, which I meant to include in my point.

Yes, isn't this forum "official" now? As far as we know, bosk and the others might just be putting some of our posts together and talking to the band themselves  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 21, 2015, 09:10:20 PM
The "DT wants to hear from you" thread has been around for more than 2 months, but there's really no indication that it was read by any of the DT members. If I had to venture a guess, I think DTF's interaction with the band is through management, which shares new album information and media for releases.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 21, 2015, 09:24:14 PM
The "DT wants to hear from you" thread has been around for more than 2 months, but there's really no indication that it was read by any of the DT members. If I had to venture a guess, I think DTF's interaction with the band is through management, which shares new album information and media for releases.

Usually.  But I periodically share things directly with the band.  I honestly don't think they read very often.  Rena used to read and share information with John, but I do not think she has been on in a long time.  But there are a couple of other people who have a direct line to the band who read the forum as well, so you never know what info they are aware of even if they are not reading.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 21, 2015, 10:00:16 PM
No need to mention the actual handles, but do they have accounts? I do not recall ever having seen a post aside from Rena.
EDIT: Except of course "Mr. Picasso" :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 21, 2015, 10:20:10 PM
No need to mention the actual handles, but do they have accounts? I do not recall ever having seen a post aside from Rena.
EDIT: Except of course "Mr. Picasso" :lol
Please explain who is this Mr. Picasso  :\
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 21, 2015, 10:20:59 PM
Charlie Dominici. He used to post here, with hilarious results.

EDIT: Wow, I just found Charlie's Facebook account. He looks totally different these days.  :eek
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 22, 2015, 04:12:30 AM

-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost Souls
Yay!
 
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Disappear
Meh.

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and Take the Time
Yay!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 22, 2015, 05:35:24 AM

-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost Souls
Meh.
 
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Disappear
Yay!

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and Take the Time
OK
FFTY
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Bertielee on July 22, 2015, 07:09:49 AM

-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost Souls
Meh.
 
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Disappear
Yay!

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and Take the Time
OK
FFTY

2nded, Scotty.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Mladen on July 22, 2015, 07:35:43 AM
I would be absolutely thrilled to hear The Ministry of lost souls live, it's such a touching epic song and also features my favorite John Petrucci guitar solo at the end.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: kaos2900 on July 22, 2015, 08:24:04 AM
Replace The Ministry of Lost Souls with Sacrificed Sons and Take the Time with Home and I'd be a happy camper!

As far as the concept album goes, it would be cool to see them write one cohesive piece of music again. Lat January/Early February is a long way off, but hopefully that means a US tour in the Spring!

Oh, and I may in the minority here but I was hoping that they would do away with the Evening With Format. I may be getting old but 3 hours is a freaking long time to stand now adays. I would have a preferred a 2 hour DT Set with a high quality hour opener (Maybe Symphony X or Haken).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on July 22, 2015, 08:34:14 AM
Oh, and I may in the minority here but I was hoping that they would do away with the Evening With Format. I may be getting old but 3 hours is a freaking long time to stand now adays. I would have a preferred a 2 hour DT Set with a high quality hour opener (Maybe Symphony X or Haken).

Who stands for the entire 3 hours
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 08:59:08 AM
Oh, and I may in the minority here but I was hoping that they would do away with the Evening With Format. I may be getting old but 3 hours is a freaking long time to stand now adays. I would have a preferred a 2 hour DT Set with a high quality hour opener (Maybe Symphony X or Haken).

Who stands for the entire 3 hours

I have in GA floor concerts.  Not all venues are fully seated.  But I have no problem with standing because im most likely rocking out and enjoying it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 22, 2015, 09:14:37 AM
Oh, and I may in the minority here but I was hoping that they would do away with the Evening With Format. I may be getting old but 3 hours is a freaking long time to stand now adays. I would have a preferred a 2 hour DT Set with a high quality hour opener (Maybe Symphony X or Haken).

Even when I was still hugely into DT, I always thought the 3-hour sets were just too long. I totally agree that a 2-hour set with a strong opener is better.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: As I Am on July 22, 2015, 09:32:29 AM
-They won't do a special show this year ala Score to celebrate 30 years of the band. Maybe in 2016. (Interesting)
-John Petrucci came up with the entire setlist for this summer tour. (So, HE'S to blame!)
-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost Souls :tdwn, Disappear  :tdwn and Take the Time  :tup in the next tour.
-The Evening With shows will stay for the next tour.  :metal
-The release date for DT13 is late January/early February. (Interesting)
-James LaBrie will record vocals right after the summer tour ends, in Richard Chycki's studio in Canada.  :tdwn
-Richard Chycki is the sound engineer once again...
-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues.  :\
-James LaBrie hints at a concept album, but he can't confirm nor deny that fact. (Interesting)
-We'll have news on the album this fall, including some audio snippets. They're dying to finally reveal it!  :\
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on July 22, 2015, 10:05:46 AM
Lots of cool/interesting news coming from James there.

LOVE the Evening With shows. Probably the best news from that article. The more DT can play in one night, the better. I've only been able to see them twice in the last four years, so I'll take as much as I can get in a night. I would also love to hear Disappear live, one of the few post-FII songs I have yet to hear. The rest is fine. I will wait for the album to be out to make any assumptions on sound (which I hardly ever have any issues with).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on July 22, 2015, 10:13:16 AM
Then I definitely think Disappear makes the set.
Number 1, 6 D's has basically been ignored save for TGD on the early '11 shows, and 2, I think JP is cognizant of what's been rarely played.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 22, 2015, 10:33:50 AM
Oh, and I may in the minority here but I was hoping that they would do away with the Evening With Format. I may be getting old but 3 hours is a freaking long time to stand now adays. I would have a preferred a 2 hour DT Set with a high quality hour opener (Maybe Symphony X or Haken).
Even when I was still hugely into DT, I always thought the 3-hour sets were just too long. I totally agree that a 2-hour set with a strong opener is better.
So just get to the venue late or leave early. Problem solved!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 22, 2015, 10:50:32 AM
:lol

Seriously though, I think opening bands, when well-chosen, can add more to the concert than just another hour of the main band. One of my favorite DT concerts was when they had Spock's Beard open up for them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 22, 2015, 11:01:12 AM
Random thought from the comments James made in that interview... Does anybody else think its weird they acknowledged the negative reaction to the sound of the last album and then brought back the same guy to engineer the new album?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on July 22, 2015, 11:07:11 AM
Random thought from the comments James made in that interview... Does anybody else think its weird they acknowledged the negative reaction to the sound of the last album and then brought back the same guy to engineer the new album?

Not really, there is probably a good working relationship between Chycki and the band since there is some history there.  They probably talked it over and expressed they want something new which I assume he was cool with, otherwise they wouldn't work together again.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 22, 2015, 11:19:11 AM
Also, there is a difference between saying "we are aware that people are saying this" and "yes, we acknowledge this was a problem".
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 22, 2015, 11:26:54 AM
Also, there is a difference between saying "we are aware that people are saying this" and "yes, we acknowledge this was a problem".

We also don't know what specifically they have heard about and are changing. Is it the snare/drum sound? The guitar volume? The mastering issues? All of the above? Something else?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2015, 01:04:16 PM
Oops !
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2015, 01:04:36 PM

-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost Souls
Meh.
 
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Disappear
Yay!

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and Take the Time
OK
FFTY

Fixed Fixed That You !
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2015, 01:05:52 PM
Random thought from the comments James made in that interview... Does anybody else think its weird they acknowledged the negative reaction to the sound of the last album and then brought back the same guy to engineer the new album?

Ehhh. A good producer can get the sounds the band are after. Just because they went with the sound of DT12 - doesn't mean he can't make an album sound any other way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on July 22, 2015, 01:25:58 PM
Random thought from the comments James made in that interview... Does anybody else think its weird they acknowledged the negative reaction to the sound of the last album and then brought back the same guy to engineer the new album?

Ehhh. A good producer can get the sounds the band are after. Just because they went with the sound of DT12 - doesn't mean he can't make an album sound any other way.
Indeed. It could very well be that this was the sound they were going for, and I don't blame them, many people (including me) actually like the sound, but I guess they would be doing the right thing if they would adjust to the opinions of their fanbase.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
Saying Richard Chycki only knows how to make albums that sounds like DT12 is like saying Bob Rock can only make albums like St. Anger.


Both albums exist because the band were on board with them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 22, 2015, 02:04:42 PM
I think Chycki has had far more wrongs than rights during his time as DT's main audio engineer. Live at Luna Park was underwhelming sonically, DT12 was a step down from ADTOE's mix and BTFW was good but could've been better (Score sounds way, way better).

It's funny how a band like Haken, which obviously doesn't have as much resources to record and produce an album as Dream Theater, could come up with an album like 'The Mountain' which is pure sonic (and musical) bliss; wheras DT comes up with DT12 which isn't pure sonic bliss at all (both 2013 albums).

If the new DT studio album can't live to the expectation, better fire the guy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on July 22, 2015, 02:07:42 PM
While I agree on most of the points you've made, BTFW really is up there with things like Score and Budokan, great production overall.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: me7 on July 22, 2015, 02:12:29 PM
It's not just DT. The bigger the band, the worse the albums sound (Avenged Sevenfold's last album being the only exception I can think of).
I guess with too much budget, productions start to suffer from George-Lucas-Syndrome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 22, 2015, 02:13:52 PM
While I agree on most of the points you've made, BTFW really is up there with things like Score and Budokan, great production overall.

I enjoy BTFW a lot, really. I think it's a great live album and fantastic testimony of what a great tour that was, but I wouldn't put it up there with Budokan and Score. The crystal clear sound quality of Score suits a band like DT in a better way, because you can hear all of the musical arrangements with more detail. JP's guitars are muddy in general and the mix has too much reverb on it to my liking. Budokan's visual quality is, IMO, unmatched by DT's other DVDs. Maybe that's because of the lesser FPS that give the concert a film-like quality? I don't know, but every time I think about DT the image of Budokan pops into my head. Maybe because that's the time when I became a fan and I was crazy about them back then, but who knows.

I'd rate BFTW with a solid 8, and both Budokan and Score with 9 and 10 respectively.

lolchaosinmotion
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 22, 2015, 02:22:26 PM
:lol

Seriously though, I think opening bands, when well-chosen, can add more to the concert than just another hour of the main band. One of my favorite DT concerts was when they had Spock's Beard open up for them.
That can be the case depending on the opening act *and* each individual. So at best, I'd say it's a 50-50 proposition. For the vast majority of the opening acts that I've seen with DT, I'd happily give them up for another hour or so of music. Doing an Evening With show is more likely to satisfy the audience because there's more time to play more songs. And not having any extra bands on the bill, you won't have to worry about disappointing the fans with some band that the majority of the audience don't enjoy. Plus it's better for the band because they don't have to worry about splitting the revenue with any other bands or crew. So Evening With shows are win-win in my eyes.
 
 
FFTY
Fixed Fixed That You !
No silly - that's Fixed For That You!!!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2015, 05:18:05 PM
Yeah, better to disappoint fans by wasting one of your two sets during an "Evening with..." show by covering someone else's entire album.

Oh yes, I went there. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Crow on July 22, 2015, 05:25:20 PM
-James LaBrie would like to play The Ministry of Lost Souls
Ooh yes.
 
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Disappear
YES.

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and Take the Time
YYYYYEEEEEEESSSSS

one day I'll see these guys on tour and if these songs are in the next tour it might be a good opportunity for me to go see them  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bosk1 on July 22, 2015, 05:38:33 PM
No need to mention the actual handles, but do they have accounts? I do not recall ever having seen a post aside from Rena.
EDIT: Except of course "Mr. Picasso" :lol

The band members, or the others I mentioned?  I am not aware of the band members actually having accounts.  I created some for the live chat, but we ended up going with a different format where they weren't needed, so those have never been used.  I am guessing the band members do not, but it is possible.

As for the others who have a direct line to the band, yes, some do have accounts here.  I mean, Wey is an obvious example.  But there are others as well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on July 22, 2015, 06:15:53 PM
Where's Major Thirteen?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 22, 2015, 08:43:57 PM
Yeah, better to disappoint fans by wasting one of your two sets during an "Evening with..." show by covering someone else's entire album.

Oh yes, I went there. :biggrin:
I'll bite!

Damn straight! After they did a 3 hour show of all their own material the night before, and did a 1.5 hour set of their own material before covering said album, nevermind a 20 minute (or so) encore following? Yup, I'll take that over any opening act they've ever had.   :-*
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: KevShmev on July 22, 2015, 09:20:42 PM
 :biggrin: :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on July 23, 2015, 02:08:31 AM
Random thought from the comments James made in that interview... Does anybody else think its weird they acknowledged the negative reaction to the sound of the last album and then brought back the same guy to engineer the new album?

Not weird at all. In terms of technical skill, he's obviously a very competent engineer. In terms of artistic and production choices, it sounds he was making suggestions that the band went along with and now realise the fanbase have reacted badly too. So keeping those same technical skills but making your own decisions about sonic approach is a perfectly sensible way to improve.

EDIT: On Darklol's point about Haken, that's true, and is basically why every metal band should just use Jens Bogren.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: kaos2900 on July 23, 2015, 06:41:45 AM
I know the Progressive Nation tours did not technically have an "opener" in the traditional sense, but if it wasn't for those shows I'd never have been exposed to Three, Between the Buried and Me, Zappa Plays Zappa (Frank Zappa in general), and Big Elf. Also, I'd never have checked out Redemption who kick all kinds of ass. A Dream Theater show with Haken or Spock's Beard would be a dream show for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 23, 2015, 07:19:33 AM
Random thought from the comments James made in that interview... Does anybody else think its weird they acknowledged the negative reaction to the sound of the last album and then brought back the same guy to engineer the new album?

Not weird at all. In terms of technical skill, he's obviously a very competent engineer. In terms of artistic and production choices, it sounds he was making suggestions that the band went along with and now realise the fanbase have reacted badly too. So keeping those same technical skills but making your own decisions about sonic approach is a perfectly sensible way to improve.


Yea but... Totally this...

I think Chycki has had far more wrongs than rights during his time as DT's main audio engineer. Live at Luna Park was underwhelming sonically, DT12 was a step down from ADTOE's mix and BTFW was good but could've been better (Score sounds way, way better).

At what point do you try something different? If you are basing the reason for keeping him off of his technical capabilities, I'm sure there are literally hundreds of other viable engineers that DT could choose with comparable capabilities. To me, the engineer plays a pretty large part in the process for DT, it seems like larger than most bands (usual you bands announce producers not engineers) so I'd look for something more than technical knowledge, I'd look for someone who aligns with their artistic vision as well, and it sounds like that might be a different vision sonically for this record.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 23, 2015, 07:23:59 AM
What you are talking about is a producer, and JP is filling that role.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 23, 2015, 07:32:41 AM
Engineers have to buy into the artistic vision when figuring out how to capture sounds, especially when the actual producer isn't at the board with them the whole time to guide them. I'm sure JP provides guidance, but since he is a band member as well, he has many other hats to wear, so he can't be guiding that vision every second.

At the end of the day, I'm not sure the work distribution between JP and Chycki.I know the traditional roles of the engineer and the producer, but clearly those lines were blurred if Chycki had that big of an effect on the sound of DT12, that's usually the role of the producer. All I'm suggesting is that it might be healthy to try someone new, I'm not sure why that's being met with criticism.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: kaos2900 on July 23, 2015, 08:00:25 AM
ADToE and DT12 are not the best sounding albums but they are far from unlistenable.  All I really care about is if the music connects with me. I could care less about who mixes it at this point. It sounds like the band has heard the complaints from fans and are working on improving the sound of the next album. Just because Chycki tried something and it didn't work doesn't mean that they should fire him as long as he learns from his mistakes. It seems like the band has a good working relationship with him so I don't care if they keep using him.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 23, 2015, 08:05:09 AM
If you read interviews, a lot of the band members, especially JP and JM, actually liked the sound. In an interview, Rich said "Getting the sound is a collaborative effort. The main thing going in is, when speaking to John, we shared a similar vision. John has a very specific guitar sound in mind. I was up for the challenge of working with him on sounds. There were some days when we were working on guitar sounds until 2 or 3 in the morning. He kept saying it was like chocolate cake with all these layers."

This was sort of confirmed by JP:

"UG: For the "A Dramatic Turn of Events" album you talked about wanting to do something on a grand scale that was musically interested. Did you continue with that approach on the Dream Theater album? 

JP: I think it's building on it but taking it to the next level. One of the things I really wanted to do on "A Dramatic Turn of Events" was to create something that was sonically very rich and high-def and powerful and I think we accomplished that. But on this album [n]I wanted to take that even further.[/b] 

In what ways? 

Get more cinematic with it and more earthy and aggressive and bigger. I wanted a bigger, more forward in-your-face kind of sound. I think that kind of dictated the sounds we went for while we were writing and recording and then ultimately how it was mixed. So yeah, it was kind of building on that but taking it to the next level. You always need to progress and to try and do something different and kind of have a little bit different take on it and a different perspective. But hopefully make it better as you go. 

You talked about how you wanted the album to sound in the mix and for this album you brought in Richard Chycki. What did he bring to the final sound of the album?   

From the beginning and the way we set up and started writing and recording this, the concept was to have all of the sounds that would ultimately be contributing to the mix. To have them filed in from day one so while we were writing and building the album we could really hear what it was gonna sound like and how it was shaping up realistically.

That's a very interesting approach. 

Yeah, so when the songs were in their early stages, they already sounded like kinda what you hear today. So it was like Rich is so intimately a part of what's going on here from day one and it already sounds the way we want it, so it made sense to move forward with him doing that. 'Cause he was kind of already there.

You actually played the songs with the same guitars, amps and effects that you'd be using on the final recording?

Yeah, and not only the guitars but the whole band. Everybody's instrument was miked and captured while we were writing with the idea that if there were any performances that were great at that point that we'd be able to use them."

John Myung also said this:

"It was a real special record in the fact that it was just this really cool vibe, this real cool energy that was driving the record. I think maybe part of the reason was we started working with Rich Chycki, who’s engineered and worked with Rush a lot. So we brought him in for this record and he was an amazing person to work with. His knowledge of sounds and the things that he did to help improve my bass sound also played into it because a lot of what I played was because of how I was interpreting the sound. The sound has a big influence on how you play, the responsiveness of it and the energy you get from your sound. So it was sort of everything connecting and working out and, for me, it was how to get the sound that I always wanted. I was able to get that with Rich on this record."

If anything, I think JLB's comment is just a sign that they are still learning, and are open to feedback, so even if it is a sound that they liked, their minds can change based on what people who listened to their music said.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 23, 2015, 08:09:45 AM
I don't put any stock in comments bands make around the time an album is released. It's only with time you can gain perspective and objectivity.
I really hope they do hear the problems with DT12's production, and make changes accordingly. If you had production smack bang inbetween ADTOE and DT12, I think you'd actually end up with something quite good! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: goo-goo on July 23, 2015, 08:12:04 AM
JM's tone on DT12 was great imo. By far by favorite album as far as bass tone and sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 23, 2015, 08:20:54 AM
I don't put any stock in comments bands make around the time an album is released. It's only with time you can gain perspective and objectivity.
I really hope they do hear the problems with DT12's production, and make changes accordingly. If you had production smack bang inbetween ADTOE and DT12, I think you'd actually end up with something quite good! :biggrin:

Like the Happy Holidays release.

The point of my quoting JP and JM is that the sound in DT12 is pretty much what JP and JM wanted, and Rich Chycki getting what they wanted to sound like. So it's not really Chycki who is ultimately the one to "blame" for how DT12 sounded.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 23, 2015, 08:23:59 AM
I don't put any stock in comments bands make around the time an album is released. It's only with time you can gain perspective and objectivity.
I really hope they do hear the problems with DT12's production, and make changes accordingly. If you had production smack bang inbetween ADTOE and DT12, I think you'd actually end up with something quite good! :biggrin:

Like the Happy Holidays release.

The point of my quoting JP and JM is that the sound in DT12 is pretty much what JP and JM wanted, and Rich Chycki getting what they wanted to sound like. So it's not really Chycki who is ultimately the one to "blame" for how DT12 sounded.

In that case I can blame all of them? :P

Perhaps more like BTFW actually. That is easily the best sounding release with MM imo. His drums sounded really good on that (and I believe that's still the same snare as DT12). Obviously being a live release, it's not quite what I'd want for a studio album, but it does show Chycki can do the job.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: emtee on July 23, 2015, 08:30:00 AM
"Sonically very rich high-def and powerful"


I love those fellas to death but to my ears and through my system ADToE is the polar opposite of that.

Oh well...dead horse so to speak. Time to move on and look forward to the new one which will hopefully get them back on track!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 23, 2015, 08:36:18 AM
Yeah, we can blame all of them. But I think JP more than others, because in pretty much all interviews with him about the release, he's saying that he is the one who has this vision of them having this more in-your-face sound and them getting the sounds as they hear it while writing the music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 23, 2015, 08:48:09 AM
If they could get the drums to sound like BTFW and the bass to sound like DT12 and just cut the damn guitar down and keys up, that would be OK with me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 23, 2015, 08:49:52 AM
If they could get the drums to sound like BTFW and the bass to sound like DT12 and just cut the damn guitar down and keys up, that would be OK with me.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 23, 2015, 08:50:13 AM
If they could get the drums to sound like BTFW and the bass to sound like DT12 and just cut the damn guitar down and keys up, that would be OK with me.

All of that, and not too much mastering compression sounds pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 23, 2015, 08:51:53 AM
I think Chycki got the right mix of keys and guitar in the Happy Holidays record.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 23, 2015, 08:53:19 AM
If they could get the drums to sound like BTFW and the bass to sound like DT12 and just cut the damn guitar down and keys up, that would be OK with me.

All of that, and not too much mastering compression sounds pretty damn good.
:tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 23, 2015, 08:57:43 AM
I can't think of a Chycki record even outside DT that is not compressed during the mastering.

Chycki has shown that he can capture a good Mangini drum sound in studio. Elements of Persuasion.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 23, 2015, 09:00:30 AM
I think Chycki got the right mix of keys and guitar in the Happy Holidays record.

For sure, that's one thing that jumped out to me on my first listen of the Happy Holidays record. JR was mixed much more upfront with the guitars, and it was great!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: metrojam on July 23, 2015, 09:05:53 AM
The "Happy Holidays" freebie was a MUCH better sounding release than the dreadfully poor LALP "Official" release!.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on July 23, 2015, 09:09:31 AM
Yeah, we can blame all of them. But I think JP more than others, because in pretty much all interviews with him about the release, he's saying that he is the one who has this vision of them having this more in-your-face sound and them getting the sounds as they hear it while writing the music.
Well yeah, the general approach was in your face and in the HDtracks version it's still loud and up-front, but at least it's not compressed to shit. I think the former is what the band were going for, and that's what they would have heard in the studio. It seems to have been at the mastering stage that things went wrong.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on July 23, 2015, 09:15:19 AM
Yeah, we can blame all of them. But I think JP more than others, because in pretty much all interviews with him about the release, he's saying that he is the one who has this vision of them having this more in-your-face sound and them getting the sounds as they hear it while writing the music.
Well yeah, the general approach was in your face and in the HDtracks version it's still loud and up-front, but at least it's not compressed to shit. I think the former is what the band were going for, and that's what they would have heard in the studio. It seems to have been at the mastering stage that things went wrong.

I think rumbo has shown before that the compression is the same for both, it's just that HD Tracks was at a lower volume so there is not much clipping, which appears to have affected some of the sounds in the CD.

Also, even in the HD Tracks version, JP's guitars is really loud compared to JR's keys. I think they overcompensated with BtFW in this aspect, as JP is the one that got lost in that record.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ? on July 23, 2015, 02:08:10 PM
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-James LaBrie will record vocals right afeter the summer tour ends, in Richard Chycki's studio in Canada.
-Richard Chycki is the sound engineer once again...
-...but they are very aware of the negative feedback about the sound in the last two albums. James says the sound in DT12 was a Richard Chycki thing, and they all agreed then, but now they're not interested in that direction anymore. Expect no more sound issues.
:tup

ADTOE was James' best performance on a DT album in many years and he sounds relaxed on that album, so I'm happy he's recording in Canada again. I'll judge the sound of the album when it comes out, but it's great that the band acknowledged the criticism regarding the production.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 23, 2015, 02:21:38 PM
If they could get the drums to sound like BTFW and the bass to sound like DT12 and just cut the damn guitar down and keys up, that would be OK with me.

Agreed!
Absolutely this. That would be fucking awesome!

JP, if you're reading, please do this!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 27, 2015, 05:39:21 AM
Holy shit Blob, 30k+ posts!?
How the hell do you do that?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 27, 2015, 05:54:08 AM
Holy shit Blob, 30k+ posts!?
How the hell do you do that?

By not having a life? :lol I hadn't even noticed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on July 27, 2015, 06:20:05 AM
And he'll keep posting beyond this life.


:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 27, 2015, 07:00:19 AM
Holy shit Blob, 30k+ posts!?
How the hell do you do that?

By not having a life? :lol I hadn't even noticed.

30,000 post of procrastinating.  It's impressive and telling.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on July 27, 2015, 09:04:31 AM
How many do I have ?



EDIT : 14,000 - i'm half a Blob :neverusethis:


EDIT EDIT : blob and I both joined in 2007 !
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 27, 2015, 02:22:43 PM
Holy shit Blob, 30k+ posts!?
How the hell do you do that?
It's easy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on July 27, 2015, 02:41:02 PM
Excuse me, where was everyone when I reached a hundred posts?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on July 27, 2015, 02:42:47 PM
In the 20k+ lounge, partying it up.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 27, 2015, 02:43:16 PM
Holy shit Blob, 30k+ posts!?
How the hell do you do that?
It's easy.

One screen DTF, the other, Japanese porn. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 27, 2015, 02:47:32 PM
Not me, Japanese ANYTHING is generally too fucked up for me.

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on July 27, 2015, 02:53:19 PM
No, talking Blob.  It's exactly up his alley.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: dparrott on July 31, 2015, 11:46:55 PM
Is it save to say if we don't have a DT13 announcement by end of the month, then a release this year is unlikely?  A fall release is probably out, they usually announce albums months in advance.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: gm5k on August 01, 2015, 12:17:43 AM
Is it save to say if we don't have a DT13 announcement by end of the month, then a release this year is unlikely?  A fall release is probably out, they usually announce albums months in advance.

Pretty sure the band has already said the album will be coming out in early 2016.

Edit: James mentioned it here https://youtu.be/ER9Y57sjC3o?t=2867
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on August 01, 2015, 04:10:21 AM
Yeah it's all been cleared up in the interview yesterday, but I think it has been mentioned several times before.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: dparrott on August 01, 2015, 10:03:33 AM
Sorry, not caught up.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on August 01, 2015, 10:48:18 AM
Is it save to say if we don't have a DT13 announcement by end of the month, then a release this year is unlikely?  A fall release is probably out, they usually announce albums months in advance.

Pretty sure the band has already said the album will be coming out in early 2016.

Edit: James mentioned it here https://youtu.be/ER9Y57sjC3o?t=2867

Is Constant Motion slower than usual ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on August 01, 2015, 11:09:01 AM
An update from Chycki:

Quote
It's a wonderfully innovative, diverse and complex album that will be a testament to DT's renowned creativity and musicianship that continues to garner international praise.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on August 01, 2015, 11:27:44 AM
Sounds good to me!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on August 01, 2015, 11:29:18 AM
An update from Chycki:

Quote
It's a wonderfully innovative, diverse and complex album that will be a testament to DT's renowned creativity and musicianship that continues to garner international praise.

"innovative"

we'll see about that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 01, 2015, 11:33:10 AM
Hopefully more prog rock than prog metal (feel free to swap "progressive" for "prog").
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: dparrott on August 01, 2015, 11:41:42 AM
That's about as general of a statement as one can be. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 01, 2015, 11:54:13 AM
So, given the update from the guys at the Wacken interview, where they're saying they went into the studio in January, but they're still in there.... I mean, not to assume that this is consecutively day in day out, but it means they've been in the studio for 6 months now, which is a lot shorter than the previous two albums.
I'm gonna cross my fingers that this album will be especially special.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 01, 2015, 11:50:08 PM
That's about as general of a statement as one can be. 

Yeah. :lol There hasn't been any comment yet that makes me think one way or another yet. Can't wait until we can hear something.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2015, 02:15:01 AM
So, given the update from the guys at the Wacken interview, where they're saying they went into the studio in January, but they're still in there.... I mean, not to assume that this is consecutively day in day out, but it means they've been in the studio for 6 months now, which is a lot shorter than the previous two albums.
I'm gonna cross my fingers that this album will be especially special.

Shorter ?

They've been in the studio since Jan / Feb and usually the albums are out in September and we've had a single by now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 02, 2015, 02:37:55 AM
I have this one theory...
This could be DT's most ambitious album in a long while.
Many people say that they always say the same,that it's "different" or "special" or "unique", etc. But maybe this time they actually mean it.
It can't be that they say that so much this time, while at the same time remaining so silent about it. During the short interview, they actually stated that the album process was interrupted by the tour, which means that it's not complete.
Alright, consider that they got the base stuff, some organized and planned, yet they still got enough things to do to keep them "very busy" at hotel rooms and that. Which means that they are using this tour to see how the audience reacts to different moments of their careers and see what they can come up with, maybe indeed something unique we've not seen so far.
This tour is teaching them more about us, the fans, and it was to be inspiring, absolutely.
Dunno, the fact that it's taking so long, that there's no single and that they decided to get into a festival tour at this point, means that they're definitely doing something big.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on August 02, 2015, 03:46:41 AM
I like your theory, and yeah, maybe the reason we haven't gotten a single is because this album is meant to be listened to as one piece or something, I don't know.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 02, 2015, 04:12:04 AM
I have this one theory...
This could be DT's most ambitious album in a long while.
Many people say that they always say the same,that it's "different" or "special" or "unique", etc. But maybe this time they actually mean it.
It can't be that they say that so much this time, while at the same time remaining so silent about it. During the short interview, they actually stated that the album process was interrupted by the tour, which means that it's not complete.
Alright, consider that they got the base stuff, some organized and planned, yet they still got enough things to do to keep them "very busy" at hotel rooms and that. Which means that they are using this tour to see how the audience reacts to different moments of their careers and see what they can come up with, maybe indeed something unique we've not seen so far.
This tour is teaching them more about us, the fans, and it was to be inspiring, absolutely.
Dunno, the fact that it's taking so long, that there's no single and that they decided to get into a festival tour at this point, means that they're definitely doing something big.

I think they always mean it. They're not going to release something if they think it's subpar or not at the level of the other albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on August 02, 2015, 04:44:19 AM
Why do people go on these crazy rants about theories when we will hear news about the new album?  There still in the middle of recording and broke off from a tour.  How hard is that to understand.  When they finish the album, they will release some info.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2015, 04:54:01 AM
I think they always mean it. They're not going to release something if they think it's subpar or not at the level of the other albums.
In terms of it being "the best thing we've done", yeah definitely. Have to say, though, the language being used this time definitely feels different tonally. Chycki's comments such as "innovative" and "complex" are quite different from the sort of words being used before we knew anything about the last couple of albums, from what I remember anyway. Not saying that necessarily means anything.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 02, 2015, 04:57:16 AM
Why do people go on these crazy rants about theories when we will hear news about the new album?  There still in the middle of recording and broke off from a tour.  How hard is that to understand.  When they finish the album, they will release some info.

Because DTF. :lol
How else do you get to 79 pages of discussion without over-analyzing generic platitudes?

It does appear they've had more time in the studio this time around. We'll just have to wait and see if and how this affects the end result.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on August 02, 2015, 05:04:51 AM
Why do people go on these crazy rants about theories when we will hear news about the new album?  There still in the middle of recording and broke off from a tour.  How hard is that to understand.  When they finish the album, they will release some info.

Because DTF. :lol
How else do you get to 79 pages of discussion without over-analyzing generic platitudes?

It does appear they've had more time in the studio this time around. We'll just have to wait and see if and how this affects the end result.

But common sense Blob! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 02, 2015, 06:23:55 AM
That's about as general of a statement as one can be. 

I'm saying I'd rather they don't try to be the heavy metal guys and write inspired music instead, letting elements of metal be there is it feels natural. They seem to write better music that way. Sometimes it seems they force their music to be heavy and it ends up feeling awkward instead.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on August 02, 2015, 06:35:54 AM
That's about as general of a statement as one can be. 

I'm saying I'd rather they don't try to be the heavy metal guys and write inspired music instead, letting elements of metal be there is it feels natural. They seem to write better music that way. Sometimes it seems they force their music to be heavy and it ends up feeling awkward instead.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Chycki's statement on the new album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 02, 2015, 11:40:04 AM
So, given the update from the guys at the Wacken interview, where they're saying they went into the studio in January, but they're still in there.... I mean, not to assume that this is consecutively day in day out, but it means they've been in the studio for 6 months now, which is a lot shorter than the previous two albums.
I'm gonna cross my fingers that this album will be especially special.

Shorter ?

They've been in the studio since Jan / Feb and usually the albums are out in September and we've had a single by now.

Dunno why I said shorter. I meant longer.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2015, 12:17:42 PM
 :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 02, 2015, 12:45:19 PM
Well, the fact that the tour appeared and that it lasted a few months, will totally give them some chance to think differently of what they've done so far. So if they're polishing stuff at this point at hotel rooms, is because they feel that "this doesn't work" here and here, or that they could add something.
As long as this has an epic, it's ok for me  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2015, 12:57:42 PM
I am totally cool with no "epic".
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on August 02, 2015, 02:57:23 PM
Me too. It's always nice with long songs, but I don't need them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 02, 2015, 05:42:40 PM
Same here.  If there is one, and it rocks, then that is awesome too but I will not whine if we get a great album and there happens to be no epic. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: chaossystem on August 02, 2015, 05:49:38 PM
I would be okay with no songs longer than Breaking All Illusions. It doesn't have to be over 15 or 20 minutes to be good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 02, 2015, 05:53:54 PM
As long as it has classic Dream Theater elements like extended instrumental sections (which should stretch some of the songs to around 10 minutes), complex parts, and hopefully some high vocals by LaBrie, or at least vocal melodies as interesting as Misunderstood and Forsaken, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Dream Team on August 02, 2015, 06:24:13 PM
As long as it has classic Dream Theater elements like extended instrumental sections (which should stretch some of the songs to around 10 minutes), complex parts, and hopefully some high vocals by LaBrie, or at least vocal melodies as interesting as Misunderstood and Forsaken, I'll be happy.

Yes, interesting vocal melodies are a must. They usually play it pretty safe, I'd welcome some variety on phrasing, etc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: dparrott on August 02, 2015, 06:29:26 PM
That's about as general of a statement as one can be. 

I'm saying I'd rather they don't try to be the heavy metal guys and write inspired music instead, letting elements of metal be there is it feels natural. They seem to write better music that way. Sometimes it seems they force their music to be heavy and it ends up feeling awkward instead.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Chycki's statement on the new album.

Yes I was.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on August 02, 2015, 06:33:14 PM
I would be okay with no songs longer than Breaking All Illusions. It doesn't have to be over 15 or 20 minutes to be good.

honestly it doesn't need to be over 5 minutes to be good
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 02, 2015, 06:34:22 PM
I really hope they force Kevin Moore to write some lyrics for the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 02, 2015, 06:35:00 PM
As long as it has classic Dream Theater elements like extended instrumental sections (which should stretch some of the songs to around 10 minutes), complex parts, and hopefully some high vocals by LaBrie, or at least vocal melodies as interesting as Misunderstood and Forsaken, I'll be happy.

Yes, interesting vocal melodies are a must. They usually play it pretty safe, I'd welcome some variety on phrasing, etc.
The ones on DT12 grew on me more. They weren't bad. Major improvement over the past 2 albums, but yeah, I'm not saying he has to go F# on every song, but make it fun.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 02, 2015, 08:34:29 PM
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Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 02, 2015, 11:35:32 PM
I thought that was a strength of DT12, some of the vocal phrasings were fresh. Maybe I am thinking of only a few and overgeneralizing, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: |KirK| on August 03, 2015, 01:44:31 AM
I would be okay with no songs longer than Breaking All Illusions. It doesn't have to be over 15 or 20 minutes to be good.

honestly it doesn't need to be over 5 minutes to be good
I'd like a 60 minutes song...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 03, 2015, 04:07:17 AM
I thought that was a strength of DT12, some of the vocal phrasings were fresh. Maybe I am thinking of only a few and overgeneralizing, though.

(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_984_1329032545.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: dream416 on August 03, 2015, 10:26:30 AM
I'm in the camp where if we don't hear anything that's fine with me. And I hope it stays that way...
Because I'm enjoying all the theories people are coming up with....makes for some interesting reading  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Randaran on August 03, 2015, 11:08:42 AM
Because I'm enjoying all the theories people are coming up with....makes for some interesting reading  ;D

And then we can all act butthurt when said theories inevitably end up being completely wrong!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on August 03, 2015, 11:16:19 AM
I'm enjoying the secrecy at the moment, but eventually I will want to know something, which I'm sure will come. I'd actually be fine if they just released the tracklisting and the track lengths, and nothing else. I don't need more than that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Voices on August 03, 2015, 11:28:08 AM
I'm enjoying the secrecy at the moment, but eventually I will want to know something, which I'm sure will come. I'd actually be fine if they just released the tracklisting and the track lengths, and nothing else. I don't need more than that.

Maybe it's too early for them to release the tracklisting and song lengths. I'd be happy with that too, but for now I think probably they'll give a few details about DT13 before they reveal the title and throw us some snippets.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: wasteland on August 03, 2015, 02:06:36 PM
Last time we didn't get any sample of the album (barring the "a cappella" line of The Looking Glass from the studio videos) until Enemy was released a few weeks before the album, right'
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 03, 2015, 05:42:45 PM
I think BlackInk was saying he'd like them to release that stuff in general, not necessarily that it should've been already done.
Considering they're still in the studio, it wouldn't be too surprising to me if they released a single, maybe in October or something.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 03, 2015, 10:20:50 PM
Last time we didn't get any sample of the album (barring the "a cappella" line of The Looking Glass from the studio videos) until Enemy was released a few weeks before the album, right'

You forgot the view of the notation of FAS from the studio videos!. :biggrin:

The first thing we'll hear now is the single.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 03, 2015, 10:33:13 PM
False Awakening Suite is the shortest suite ever.
That disappointed me as hell.
Why weren't they honest and called it "False Awakening Show Intro"?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 03, 2015, 10:35:02 PM
I don't know if it was just a tongue in cheek name, or whether it came from the way they composed the song, but I find it amusing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: 425 on August 03, 2015, 10:43:24 PM
I remember when we first got the track listing, how a lot of us thought it was going to be like an 12-minute thing because it had three listed parts, and then we found out what it actually was. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on August 04, 2015, 01:13:07 AM
Yeah that was pretty disappointing. Would've been such a cool name too, for a 10+ minute track.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: YtseJamittaja on August 04, 2015, 01:13:50 AM
I remember when we first got the track listing, how a lot of us thought it was going to be like an 12-minute thing because it had three listed parts, and then we found out what it actually was. :lol

Actually does it have 3 parts listed somewhere? I have never really cared about it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: RoeDent on August 04, 2015, 01:14:45 AM
]It's only August 4th. If the album isn't due until Jan/Feb, then we probably won't get announcements until late October at the earliest, if not November. So still 2-3 months of groundless speculation lie ahead of us. This thread is on 80 pages as it is...

And yes, I was hugely surprised at False Awakening Suite when it was revealed. You expect any song split into movements to be of reasonable length.


Actually does it have 3 parts listed somewhere? I have never really cared about it.

I. Sleep Paralysis
II. Night Terrors
III. Lucid Dream
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 04, 2015, 01:34:14 AM
My relationship with FAS is actually interesting.
I first heard it when I bought the CD. And I was unaware of how long it was since I decided not to check.
I just knew the title "False Awakening Suite". And I thought, man, this has to be a long song or whathever in the likes of The Glass Prison. I actually recall saying "Maybe this is something like 6DOIT, a split song at the beginning and an epic at the end".

When it began I thought... "Man, this is a really really nice change to DT!" it quite reminded me of Rhapsody of Fire, y'know, this heavy guitarr riffing with strings and choruses and that thing, it's pretty pretty cool.
A minute in I was thinking "This is the coolest song intro I've ever heard for DT", I was expecting the voice to come in at any time, I was very excited and decided to check the timing. Then I read, in horror, that it was a short instrumental, which I already heard half of it.
Then all of sudden, it's over. It really pissed me off.
As a last hope and resort I said "Well it was cool! Maybe it's like a modern Overture 1928?". Then became even more disappointed when I realized the next songs were not this epic thing I thought they would.
It's been a while since then, and now I appreciate DT12 more than I&W itself, but that wound remains.

It would be cool if they did this again for the next album, BUT PLEASE! Don't name it Suite or split it in parts!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 04, 2015, 01:40:10 AM
Should have called it False Expectations Suite, I guess.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 04, 2015, 01:43:35 AM
Should have called it False Expectations Suite, I guess.

Fixed.
A friend of mine actually theorized that it was the original intro they had thought for Illumination Theory, and was reworked into a show opener.

Anyways, I love it now, and I'm looking forward to have a new cool show opener for 2016!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on August 04, 2015, 01:53:15 AM
I have a feeling that they will be using FAS as a show opener for a long time. They have gone on record to say that the motivation in writing FAS is to have their own intro music in their concerts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 04, 2015, 02:12:57 AM
Don't know you guys, but I've always considered the last two albums this way.
ADTOE: A working effort to make everyone certain that DT still exists without it's original drummer. I've always thought that, more than the songs themselves, ADTOE mirrors I&W in that both albums were written with a missing member (but taking it into consideration), I&W with no singer and ADTOE with no drummer. The album is a pretty interesting experiment and was totally not a playsafe. Pretty standard album with a lot of variety, no epic and has every single aspect of DT covered.

DT12: A more focused effort, which as far as I know generated a lot of hype since it was the first album with Mangini in the table. Again this reminds me of Awake. Sound is more consistent than in ADTOE, but I would say this was played more safely than ADTOE.

I don't, however, feel that any of these two albums brought anything new to DT sound. Sure, cool melodies and new stuff by JR, but that's it, they really had no serious changes in formula and stuff.
So I think the new album might be the first one where they are actually going to do what they did a lot with MP, "experimenting", changing stuff and expressing their crazy ideas. All of this supports my previous post where I said that now, when they claimed that it was something "different", it was for real.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Moor on August 04, 2015, 03:33:49 AM
JR on new DT album: "The good thing with this band is that we always manage to change the direction a bit. I think the DREAM THEATER fans will find what we have been working on interesting."

Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/jordan-rudess-on-next-dream-theater-album-fans-will-find-what-we-have-been-working-on-interesting/#sRKi2C7UW8P4kH0Z.99

Sounds promising  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Scorpion on August 04, 2015, 04:22:04 AM
That told us approximately nothing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 04, 2015, 04:23:43 AM
That told us approximately nothing.

Yep. You know a story lacks substance when even Blabbermouth can't twist it into controversy. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on August 04, 2015, 07:38:59 AM
The comments on that Blabbermouth page  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 04, 2015, 07:41:36 AM
Don't you know better than to read Blabbermouth comments? :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on August 04, 2015, 08:28:08 AM
Without reading it I bet it's something like this:
hurr durr Mangini sucks Portnoy da best, Labrie sucks, we want Images and Words back!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on August 04, 2015, 08:31:51 AM
Some of them are actually quite humorous :lol

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The band would be better without Rudess taking them deep into Casio Forest.

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Hmmyes this math problem is quite fascinating
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 04, 2015, 08:32:59 AM
All of Blabbermouth is aids.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 04, 2015, 09:43:44 AM
In regards to FAS, they should've just called it False Awakening and drop the whole 'suite' and 3 parts thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 04, 2015, 09:49:31 AM
In regards to FAS, they should've just called it False Awakening and drop the whole 'suite' and 3 parts thing.

What difference does it make? The music is the same regardless of what it's called. They apparently wrote it to have distinct parts to represent different things, so why not?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 04, 2015, 09:59:13 AM
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The band would be better without Rudess taking them deep into Casio Forest.

This is now my favorite quote ever.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CDrice on August 04, 2015, 09:59:48 AM
In regards to FAS, they should've just called it False Awakening and drop the whole 'suite' and 3 parts thing.

Well maybe False Awakening Suite is not the ''Suite of False Awakening'', but it's the ''False Suite of Awakening''  :omg:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: GasparXR on August 04, 2015, 10:15:25 AM
In regards to FAS, they should've just called it False Awakening and drop the whole 'suite' and 3 parts thing.

Well maybe False Awakening Suite is not the ''Suite of False Awakening'', but it's the ''False Suite of Awakening''  :omg:

Yes. They were referring to the label of "suite" being false, meaning all of this bickering is useless. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 04, 2015, 10:33:03 AM
That told us approximately nothing.
Amen. Typical pre-album hype.
 
 
Without reading it I bet it's something like this:
hurr durr Mangini sucks Portnoy da best, Labrie sucks, we want Images and Words back!
Haven't read BM comments for a while, but you're right, which is a surprise, since every time I've read them in the past, almost every single post was a dig at Portnoy, and how he sucks, has an ego, blah blah blah. I still expected the same.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: The Stray Seed on August 04, 2015, 11:36:19 AM
Alright, consider that they got the base stuff, some organized and planned, yet they still got enough things to do to keep them "very busy" at hotel rooms and that. Which means that they are using this tour to see how the audience reacts to different moments of their careers and see what they can come up with
If there's something I'm really hoping for, is for them not to follow any audience reaction at all. To write something that is unaffected by what others want/expect from them.

They went to some of the main metal festivals in Europe this summer: the crowd of those venues is most likely keen to react to the metal/heavy/virtuoso side instead of other aspects of their music.

No, I hope they just won't take any suggestion from what people <express>, yeah because reaction is all about what you show on the outside - I might absolutely love a song and just remain silent because I want to hear each and every note (I did this many times in a DT concert, because well... you don't always feel like headbanging and screaming in their gigs, do you?).

And after all, you really are "innovative" and "interesting" when you follow your own road, not the one the others lead you to.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 04, 2015, 12:01:38 PM
In b4 'this is our best album, a great representation of everything that Dream Theater does. It is melodic, heavy and progressive.'
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on August 04, 2015, 12:06:32 PM
I have a feeling that they will be using FAS as a show opener for a long time. They have gone on record to say that the motivation in writing FAS is to have their own intro music in their concerts.

Yes and won't have to pay Hans Zimmer any more
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 04, 2015, 01:44:07 PM
I have a feeling that they will be using FAS as a show opener for a long time. They have gone on record to say that the motivation in writing FAS is to have their own intro music in their concerts.

It's fine as an intro track it serves it's purpose....but what is a "let down" for me is the few second gap between the ending of the FAS track and the beginning of whatever the opening song is. I'd like to see that first note/drum hit of the show opening song happen right as the ending note/drum hit of the FAS track ends.....have a seamless intro rather than that few second delay.

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on August 04, 2015, 02:04:25 PM
Boxset of the previous 3 albums ?

LaBrie to begin tracking vocals on August 6th.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on August 04, 2015, 04:58:24 PM
I have a feeling that they will be using FAS as a show opener for a long time. They have gone on record to say that the motivation in writing FAS is to have their own intro music in their concerts.

It's fine as an intro track it serves it's purpose....but what is a "let down" for me is the few second gap between the ending of the FAS track and the beginning of whatever the opening song is. I'd like to see that first note/drum hit of the show opening song happen right as the ending note/drum hit of the FAS track ends.....have a seamless intro rather than that few second delay.

I think I can go with this.  Maybe add a couple fireworks to the sound of that note too  :corn :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 04, 2015, 05:01:22 PM
Maybe they should add lyrics to it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on August 04, 2015, 05:36:49 PM
Boxset of the previous 3 albums ?

LaBrie to begin tracking vocals on August 6th.


Did nobody else watch the interview ?

Also - Album in Feb and probably a LaBrie solo tour.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheGreatPretender on August 04, 2015, 07:06:17 PM
Boxset of the previous 3 albums ?

I think he was talking about the deluxe editions. As in the big fancy box set for each separate album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Mladen on August 05, 2015, 03:06:56 AM
Boxset of the previous 3 albums ?

LaBrie to begin tracking vocals on August 6th.


Did nobody else watch the interview ?

Also - Album in Feb and probably a LaBrie solo tour.
Which one?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 05, 2015, 03:38:25 AM
I didn't know there was an interview :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu-KSxUd0tY
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on August 05, 2015, 05:36:20 AM
Boxset of the previous 3 albums ?

LaBrie to begin tracking vocals on August 6th.


Did nobody else watch the interview ?

Also - Album in Feb and probably a LaBrie solo tour.

Oooo Labrie solo.... sounds good to me
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on August 05, 2015, 05:37:47 AM
I didn't know there was an interview :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu-KSxUd0tY

Thanks!
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Post by: mikeyd23 on August 05, 2015, 06:55:42 AM
Nice JLB interview. Basically confirms the band will remain pretty quiet in the later part of 2015 and then gear up for the new album in Feb. of 2016.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: bl5150 on August 05, 2015, 07:01:21 AM
Yeah cool interview.  I like it how at the start he's saying he's been in the country a few hours (and already doing interviews) and she asks him how he has been enjoying the country and James is  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mike099 on August 05, 2015, 07:51:25 PM
That told us approximately nothing.

Yes and this subject will be over 200 pages by the time the cd comes out.

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 05, 2015, 09:27:25 PM
Boxset of the previous 3 albums ?

I think he was talking about the deluxe editions. As in the big fancy box set for each separate album.

He was saying that they're going to be releasing a boxset of HIS last 3 albums: Elements of Persuasion, Static Impulse, and Impermanent Resonance. I guess that would be cool, but I'd only get it if it came with extensive bonus tracks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Metro on August 06, 2015, 08:40:59 AM
From James' Facebook page

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Begin recording vocals today for the new album.
Completely pumped, time to kick some serious Buccaneer ass...yaaarggh.

https://www.facebook.com/officialjameslabrie/posts/966177460091144
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on August 06, 2015, 09:13:33 AM
very cool
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Mladen on August 06, 2015, 09:24:11 AM
Finally some exciting news!   :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on August 06, 2015, 09:35:27 AM
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Pirate concept album incoming
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on August 06, 2015, 11:06:58 AM
I guess this thread title can be changed, since at least one member is in the studio in August.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 06, 2015, 11:26:12 AM
I don't understand one thing. On Wacken interview JP said they are still writing in their hotel rooms, on the road. But if JLB is already recording vocals, didn't they finish with recording all songs? Or could it be James is recording songs others already recorded and then he'll wait for songs not yet finished? I always thought they leave vocals after everything else is done. But of course, maybe they reserved studio for recording vocals from today and they have to finish them before some deadline.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Voices on August 06, 2015, 12:03:48 PM
James is recording in Canada, not in the same studio that the rest of the guys were writing and recording. I think they recorded the basic structure of the songs, James will record vocals now and they'll finish recording solos and minor stuff later.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 06, 2015, 12:09:45 PM
Yeah I assumed JP meant they were still writing some of the finishing touches, like solos or some layering, overdub stuff. I'd assume all the basic instrument tracks are done being recorded or else JLB probably wouldn't be tracking vocals yet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Mladen on August 06, 2015, 12:13:00 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they were putting finishing touches on the lyrics during the summer tour, in order for James to be able to start recording in August.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on August 06, 2015, 04:36:14 PM
I don't understand one thing. On Wacken interview JP said they are still writing in their hotel rooms, on the road. But if JLB is already recording vocals, didn't they finish with recording all songs? Or could it be James is recording songs others already recorded and then he'll wait for songs not yet finished? I always thought they leave vocals after everything else is done. But of course, maybe they reserved studio for recording vocals from today and they have to finish them before some deadline.
I interpreted that as solos and overdubs being the things they were still writing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 06, 2015, 05:18:18 PM
It's extremely common for bands to record additional layers once the basic tracks are done. When you have the songs laid out in front of you and sounding good, it's much easier to step back and say, "we need something more here." This happens right up through the entire mixing stage, usually.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on August 06, 2015, 06:52:48 PM
Looks like Mangini is done recording.

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I am off to teach, commune and enjoy all things drums at the Fantasy Camp in Chicago. I'll be at Vic's Drum Shop each day. Going over my curriculum today made me think that I should open up to teaching online starting in September. I'll be working to prep for DT 2016 w/song & show learning, photos, promos, video probably in the fall, but have time ... I may just book clinics.

Anyway, I think I can do classes between. Perhaps via Google Hangouts. Any Ideas? I had great fun & success teaching in the Lab format at Berklee and could possibly offer a set of topics where 9 people could sign up to focus on their interest. It is also cheaper and people get to see multiple perspectives. I'd be interested to know topics and times of the day people would sign up for. I have a lot of formulas and concepts as most of you know. Coordination, Speed, DT Drum Parts, Audition Prep, Quick Song Learning, learning Rhythm Knowledge 5 systems, Advanced Rhythm Knowledge in mixing the Systems, Polyrhythms, Advanced Coordination Polyrhythms... I could outline each on my website on a new page depending on who and how many people were interested in what. I have somebody to evaluate interested parties for grouping and do administrative stuff if enough people show interest.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 06, 2015, 07:59:03 PM
I didn't know there was an interview :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu-KSxUd0tY

That's an odd water bottle she has. 

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: AboutToCrash on August 07, 2015, 02:39:25 AM
I'm hoping they do an album similar to SDOIT in format. A few epics and a concept disc, That would be fantastic, and given the prolonged studio time it could be possible this time around. It's anyones guess though what DT13 will sound like. In reality we will probably have ADTOE mixed with DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: mike099 on August 07, 2015, 11:19:02 AM
I'm hoping they do an album similar to SDOIT in format. A few epics and a concept disc, That would be fantastic, and given the prolonged studio time it could be possible this time around. It's anyones guess though what DT13 will sound like. In reality we will probably have ADTOE mixed with DT12.

I think I  remember one of the DT forum members spoke with JR tried to get info.  JR said the cd would be different.  The member asked about a concept cd and JR said we already did that, so it would not be different.  The question comes to mind, what would be different?

Concept album - done, progressive - done  progressive metal - done

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on August 07, 2015, 12:09:15 PM
Polka
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on August 07, 2015, 12:10:36 PM
Duh-Jent?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: JiM-Xtreme on August 07, 2015, 12:36:48 PM
Slap bass!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 07, 2015, 01:38:45 PM
I think it will be a bubblegum pop album now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 07, 2015, 05:59:52 PM
I herd the Roadrunner guy appeared in the studio thread for DT12, I wonder where he is right now...
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on August 07, 2015, 06:20:09 PM
Where are you now?
Blind and deaf
No one's left to come around
Where are you now?
Lost out there
Where eyes no longer stare
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: KevShmev on August 07, 2015, 06:41:06 PM
I'm hoping they do an album similar to SDOIT in format. A few epics and a concept disc, That would be fantastic, and given the prolonged studio time it could be possible this time around. It's anyones guess though what DT13 will sound like. In reality we will probably have ADTOE mixed with DT12.

I think I  remember one of the DT forum members spoke with JR tried to get info.  JR said the cd would be different.  The member asked about a concept cd and JR said we already did that, so it would not be different.  The question comes to mind, what would be different?

Concept album - done, progressive - done  progressive metal - done

I think it's important to remember that what some artists think is different, quite often is not.  Neal Morse has said that he tries to make every album not sound like others, and he is one of the most samey-sounding artists ever (although I still love his music to pieces), so I wouldn't put a lot of stock into them saying it is going to be "different."
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 07, 2015, 06:42:35 PM
*failed post*
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on August 08, 2015, 12:03:54 AM
I'm hoping they do an album similar to SDOIT in format. A few epics and a concept disc, That would be fantastic, and given the prolonged studio time it could be possible this time around. It's anyones guess though what DT13 will sound like. In reality we will probably have ADTOE mixed with DT12.

I think I  remember one of the DT forum members spoke with JR tried to get info.  JR said the cd would be different.  The member asked about a concept cd and JR said we already did that, so it would not be different.  The question comes to mind, what would be different?

Concept album - done, progressive - done  progressive metal - done



Maybe a more contemporary sounding album, with less prog, aimed at "younger" fans. Mike said this once when he was snowed in Boston:

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I'm also working on electronic kit sounding simple, 4/4 grooves using some over the bar ride patterns just to give it some habanero spice. It is stuff that kids can feel, so it sort of pleases all.

"electronic kit sounding", "4/4", "stuff that kids can feel"
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Flacracker on August 08, 2015, 12:15:44 AM
I'm hoping they do an album similar to SDOIT in format. A few epics and a concept disc, That would be fantastic, and given the prolonged studio time it could be possible this time around. It's anyones guess though what DT13 will sound like. In reality we will probably have ADTOE mixed with DT12.

I think I  remember one of the DT forum members spoke with JR tried to get info.  JR said the cd would be different.  The member asked about a concept cd and JR said we already did that, so it would not be different.  The question comes to mind, what would be different?

Concept album - done, progressive - done  progressive metal - done



Maybe a more contemporary sounding album, with less prog, aimed at "younger" fans. Mike said this once when he was snowed in Boston:

Quote
I'm also working on electronic kit sounding simple, 4/4 grooves using some over the bar ride patterns just to give it some habanero spice. It is stuff that kids can feel, so it sort of pleases all.

"electronic kit sounding", "4/4", "stuff that kids can feel"

Can't wait for the Skrillex and A$AP Ferg features.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 08, 2015, 03:04:34 AM
I herd the Roadrunner guy appeared in the studio thread for DT12, I wonder where he is right now...
People are torturing him to extract information about DT13?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on August 08, 2015, 04:23:03 AM
To make the wait more bearable, I've made a compilation of every DT album in one YouTube video for your listening pleasure.

Unfortunately there was an accident during the export and they all got laid on top of each other instead of sequentially, but it's still good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7TITDPuMo

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on August 08, 2015, 04:28:27 AM
I see my shooped pic is in there too :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 08, 2015, 04:31:09 AM
I see my shooped pic is in there too :lol

That masterpiece is your handiwork? It's glorious. :lol
And so is that mish-mash of noise. And all of these years I've been wasting time listening to them individually. Pffffft.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 08, 2015, 04:52:22 AM
To make the wait more bearable, I've made a compilation of every DT album in one YouTube video for your listening pleasure.

Unfortunately there was an accident during the export and they all got laid on top of each other instead of sequentially, but it's still good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7TITDPuMo

Enjoy.
That is...incredible.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on August 08, 2015, 04:58:01 AM
I see my shooped pic is in there too :lol

I got it from the Meme Theater facebook page  :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: JiM-Xtreme on August 08, 2015, 04:58:47 AM
the most shocking thing about that video is the revelation that FII is apparently the longest album  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on August 08, 2015, 05:06:19 AM
My favourite part is the last two minutes of the whole video, where JLB is trying to sing Beneath the Surface over the end of TOT.

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on August 08, 2015, 05:40:38 AM
New Millenium and ITPOE pt. 1 are possibly the two most annoying intro's combined.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on August 08, 2015, 03:49:43 PM
New Millenium and ITPOE pt. 1 are possibly the two most annoying intro's combined.

NM I will give you... but ITPOE pt1?!  That was cut from the second half because it was too good not to be an album intro. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on August 08, 2015, 04:42:02 PM
I like how the Razor's Edge solo mixes with everything else, even if it's still chaos.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: gm5k on August 08, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
I see my shooped pic is in there too :lol

That masterpiece is your handiwork? It's glorious. :lol
And so is that mish-mash of noise. And all of these years I've been wasting time listening to them individually. Pffffft.

That TOT and BTS mashup at 1:14:32  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 08, 2015, 07:08:56 PM
You've just infricted copyright 13 times.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 08, 2015, 07:12:08 PM
To make the wait more bearable, I've made a compilation of every DT album in one YouTube video for your listening pleasure.

Unfortunately there was an accident during the export and they all got laid on top of each other instead of sequentially, but it's still good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN7TITDPuMo

Enjoy.

They could play that live, it's just that they don't want to kill their fans instantly by reality shattering.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 08, 2015, 10:02:02 PM
My God, genome, this is beautiful noise.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on August 08, 2015, 10:56:12 PM
I herd the Roadrunner guy appeared in the studio thread for DT12, I wonder where he is right now...
That was a glorious moment in DTF history.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SystematicThought on August 08, 2015, 11:30:00 PM
The ending is really nice. After all that noise, you get the beautiful ToT ending.

And I do find it funny that the album that the record company wanted to be more commercial is also their longest.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 08, 2015, 11:36:38 PM
The ending is really nice. After all that noise, you get the beautiful ToT ending.

And I do find it funny that the album that the record company wanted to be more commercial is also their longest.

That is a little funny. I guess it's because they had longer to write a lot of songs before they eventually got the green light to record it. Look at how many leftover tracks they still had from FII, when I don't think they've had any unused songs since.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on August 08, 2015, 11:47:47 PM
Raw Dog was left out of BC&SL in favor of Wither.

But since Raw Dog is 7 minutes long and Wither is only 5, this would leave 2 minutes of empty disk, so they filled the remainder by making ANTR longer.
Hope this info helps.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on August 09, 2015, 04:09:25 AM
New Millenium and ITPOE pt. 1 are possibly the two most annoying intro's combined.

NM I will give you... but ITPOE pt1?!  That was cut from the second half because it was too good not to be an album intro. 
Yea, I meant after they are combined.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on August 09, 2015, 04:46:23 AM
You've just infricted copyright 13 times.

Is it technically copyright infringement if the songs are basically indecipherable?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 09, 2015, 05:32:47 AM
Raw Dog was left out of BC&SL in favor of Wither.

But since Raw Dog is 7 minutes long and Wither is only 5, this would leave 2 minutes of empty disk, so they filled the remainder by making ANTR longer.
Hope this info helps.

I don't know where you got any of this information from, unless I just missed the joke. Raw Dog was not written at the time of BCASL, it was written specifically for the God of War soundtrack, using some leftover ideas from BCASL as a basis.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on August 09, 2015, 05:41:25 AM
But it's on the Internet so it has to be true! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Onno on August 09, 2015, 06:11:45 AM
Raw Dog was left out of BC&SL in favor of Wither.

But since Raw Dog is 7 minutes long and Wither is only 5, this would leave 2 minutes of empty disk, so they filled the remainder by making ANTR longer.
Hope this info helps.

I don't know where you got any of this information from, unless I just missed the joke. Raw Dog was not written at the time of BCASL, it was written specifically for the God of War soundtrack, using some leftover ideas from BCASL as a basis.

I assumed that was a joke  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 09, 2015, 06:19:28 AM
I don't know Darkstarshades well enough to assume one way or another, but if it's a joke, he played it straight enough to fool me. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on August 09, 2015, 06:45:51 AM
I don't know Darkstarshades well enough to assume one way or another, but if it's a joke, he played it straight enough to fool me. :lol

How's the manure taste Biff?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on August 09, 2015, 07:14:47 AM
Raw Dog was left out of BC&SL in favor of Wither.

But since Raw Dog is 7 minutes long and Wither is only 5, this would leave 2 minutes of empty disk, so they filled the remainder by making ANTR longer.
Hope this info helps.
Nah dude I'm pretty sure the remaining 2 minutes were filled by JR in A Rite of Passage.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: KevShmev on August 09, 2015, 07:20:30 AM
Raw Dog was left out of BC&SL in favor of Wither.

But since Raw Dog is 7 minutes long and Wither is only 5, this would leave 2 minutes of empty disk, so they filled the remainder by making ANTR longer.
Hope this info helps.

(https://i.imgur.com/xQJwmTx.gif)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 09, 2015, 09:52:53 AM
Look at how many leftover tracks they still had from FII, when I don't think they've had any unused songs since.
And I think it's a shame that this has happened. I mean, how many cool ideas for songs ended up on the cutting room floor just because they had 75 minutes of completed music? If they're on a roll, why not pursue some of those other ideas further and see how they develop? At the very least, they could be B-sides or saved as bonus tracks for compilations, and at most they might replace some of the lower quality songs that they originally were gonna have on the album. For that matter, if they feel that strongly about the all material, they could release a double album, or release 2 albums 6 months or a year apart.

I know it's a money thing, especially if they still camp out in the studio the same way they did for SFaM, SDoIT, 8v, SC and BCaSL, but I think there's some lost opportunities that could have been awesome. Had they simply written enough for FII to fill a single CD, neither Trial of Tears, Hollow Years and New Millennium would've never existed and Where Are You Now would have been on the album.

I remember talking to JP about doing more tracks than needed for an album in Dec 2011, and he seemed very agreeable to the idea, but I doubt this is the case considering they haven't done any extra tracks since then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 09, 2015, 10:05:03 AM
Raw Dog was left out of BC&SL in favor of Wither.

But since Raw Dog is 7 minutes long and Wither is only 5, this would leave 2 minutes of empty disk, so they filled the remainder by making ANTR longer.
Hope this info helps.
Nah dude I'm pretty sure the remaining 2 minutes were filled by JR in A Rite of Passage.

By Bebot, specifically.  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on August 09, 2015, 01:06:14 PM
And I think it's a shame that this has happened. I mean, how many cool ideas for songs ended up on the cutting room floor just because they had 75 minutes of completed music?

I find this whole "one CD worth of music" concept rather silly anyway, especially in regard to DT who really straight-jacket themselves with that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: The Cat Of Tuscany on August 09, 2015, 01:12:59 PM
I don't understand - how is FII their longest album when Six Degrees is nearly 20 minutes longer?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: GasparXR on August 09, 2015, 01:47:34 PM
I don't understand - how is FII their longest album when Six Degrees is nearly 20 minutes longer?

I think they just mean longest disc. I think SDOIT disc 1 and 2 are playing at the same time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on August 09, 2015, 01:52:29 PM
I don't understand - how is FII their longest album when Six Degrees is nearly 20 minutes longer?

I think they just mean longest disc. I think SDOIT disc 1 and 2 are playing at the same time.

But even then, Systematic Chaos is 29 seconds longer.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SystematicThought on August 09, 2015, 02:26:33 PM
Then why did FII finish last on the mashup video?  Did they start at different times or was ITPOE combined?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on August 09, 2015, 02:30:26 PM
I think the uploader altered the tempo so the most part of the allbums would end at around the same time, only explanation I can come up with.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on August 09, 2015, 03:10:49 PM
Don't tell anyone but there's a chance I may have accidentally left out Repentance. :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SystematicThought on August 09, 2015, 03:33:03 PM
MP might give you a call to see if you want to speak on a song about how you're sorry for omitting his deeply personal song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on August 09, 2015, 03:34:14 PM
Don't tell anyone but there's a chance I may have accidentally left out Repentance. :rollin
Well that explains everything, too bad because I was really looking forward to solving a mystery.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on August 09, 2015, 11:14:19 PM
This interview (https://www.idrummag.com/interviews/mike-mangini-living-the-dream/) is dated May 2015, but it also says it was done in the recent UK tour, so I do not know if Mangini is talking about the new album or the self-titled when he said this:

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Dream Theater’s keyboard player, the professorial Jordan Rudess, has said in an interview that maths and music are one complete thing in the mind of Mike Mangini – an observation that the drummer is quite happy to accept as being an accurate assessment of his approach to the science of playing drums. “Yes, that’s true, because understanding simple things like multiplication tables means I can work out how many bars to play before we come around to ‘one’ again. I practise as many permutations of this as I can with all 24 limb combinations. That means that I am prepared if the band is playing in 12/8, a standard time like that, Jordan can play 11/8, or 21/8, or 27/8 and I have the ability to keep the 12/8 beat that the band are following, but also follow the pattern that Jordan is playing at the same time. The vision is mathematical, and though I have to put the musical part in to make it sound good, the numbers are always in my head. We are now composing with these time signatures; there is a section on the new album where there is a part that sounds like the timings are all over the place, but it is actually just 4/4. We are learning to diversify our timings, and then re-sync up as and when needed.”
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SystematicThought on August 10, 2015, 12:05:34 AM
I think he may be referring to the "Bridges we build to connect" part in Illumination Theory which sounds like an odd time sig but it's not, it's 4/4. I may be wrong
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: genome on August 10, 2015, 07:18:34 AM
Would interesting to know if he counts that part, I find it far easier just to count the chugs I'm playing (four lots of 2 then 1, repeat) than count the beats that go by.

I think JP said the same about TDOE, that if he tried to count it he'd go insane, so you just learn the notes and feel it. Interesting perspective though, must be different for a drummer I guess.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on August 10, 2015, 08:59:03 AM
In his interviews, Mike often says that his counting is really more like seeing shapes and seeing how these shapes fit together. Which is how he gets to play with large numbers, not just combos of 3s, 4s and 2s.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on August 10, 2015, 02:50:16 PM
Whats the deal with magazine articles putting a pun of the band's name as the headline for every band piece they do ?

What purpose does it serve ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: GasparXR on August 11, 2015, 10:23:42 AM
Whats the deal with magazine articles putting a pun of the band's name as the headline for every band piece they do ?

What purpose does it serve ?

Because it's a very easy opportunity to make a stupid joke. I take ALL of those opportunities. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on August 17, 2015, 05:58:32 AM
From JLBs Twitter:

"The vocals for the next DT album are coming out amazing. Back in the studio tomorrow for some more tracking.  Can't wait."
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SwedishGoose on August 17, 2015, 06:22:31 AM
From JLBs Twitter:

"The vocals for the next DT album are coming out amazing. Back in the studio tomorrow for some more tracking.  Can't wait."

Sounds great.... can't wait to hear the results  :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: goo-goo on August 17, 2015, 07:27:50 AM
I think JLB has been two weeks in the studio.. :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on August 17, 2015, 08:40:09 AM
I appreciate updates - but those sort of things mean absolutely nothing. He's hardly going to say " New album vocals are patchy at best rawwwwwwwwwwk !! "

:lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Bertielee on August 17, 2015, 09:25:57 AM
I appreciate updates - but those sort of things mean absolutely nothing. He's hardly going to say " New album vocals are patchy at best rawwwwwwwwwwk !! "

:lol

yeah, or "I can't sing shit but whatever...Walk the plank!"

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Crow on August 17, 2015, 01:47:24 PM
"i accidentally recorded my vocals on the same track as myung so we had to go with the first takes, #yolo  :hat"
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Robo4900 on August 17, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
"I don't like singing that much, but I had a studio and a microphone, so what the fuck?"
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on August 17, 2015, 02:53:25 PM
" Listen up guys - I can categorically state that I recorded my absolute best vocals since Awake.


..because I don't record vocals when i'm asleep rrraaawwwwkk  :yarr "
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Onno on August 18, 2015, 01:13:55 AM
 :lol :lol
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 18, 2015, 05:07:56 AM
 :rollin that was pretty funny
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Post by: Darkstarshades on August 18, 2015, 05:16:54 AM
"I wrote lyrics to this album... based on my observational point of view... There are stuff that I see, that I want to see in a song"
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on August 18, 2015, 07:46:13 PM
Really hoping we get something in the realm of a single and/or song teasers of some kind within the next month. This wait is starting to really dragggggggg.
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Post by: Rodni Demental on August 18, 2015, 08:00:53 PM
I like singles but I hate what happens to them as a result of being out before an album. I over listen to them until the album comes out, to the point where I end up skipping that track on the album for a while until it starts to feel less familiar.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 18, 2015, 09:12:31 PM
Really hoping we get something in the realm of a single and/or song teasers of some kind within the next month. This wait is starting to really dragggggggg.

It seems way too early for that. We probably won't even get a title or anything until at least October.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2015, 10:04:37 PM
Really hoping we get something in the realm of a single and/or song teasers of some kind within the next month. This wait is starting to really dragggggggg.

It seems way too early for that. We probably won't even get a title or anything until at least October.

Given that JLB is still recording vocals (and I'm not sure if they're still recording some overdubs for guitar/keys), then they have to mix it, then master it, I'm not expecting anything too soon either. If they're estimating an album release early next year, then I think at least October.
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 19, 2015, 07:47:15 AM
I hope an October single is gonna happen. I really wanna get my teeth stuck into some new DT stuff. I've went back to Mars Volta and Dananananakroyd now just because I've listened my favourite DT songs to death now.
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 19, 2015, 08:54:46 AM
I hope an October single is gonna happen. I really wanna get my teeth stuck into some new DT stuff. I've went back to Mars Volta and Dananananakroyd now just because I've listened my favourite DT songs to death now.

Not gonna happen, I think. They already said the album is going to be released in early 2016, so I expect a single by the end of this year at most.
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Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2015, 09:07:35 AM
Really hoping we get something in the realm of a single and/or song teasers of some kind within the next month. This wait is starting to really dragggggggg.

Not for me. 2 years is really nothing and I still feel like DT12 just came out.

When new albums come out - I listen to them a lot for a couple of weeks then almost never again so i don't get sick of them immediately.

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Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2015, 09:08:58 AM
I hope an October single is gonna happen. I really wanna get my teeth stuck into some new DT stuff. I've went back to Mars Volta and Dananananakroyd now just because I've listened my favourite DT songs to death now.

Not gonna happen, I think. They already said the album is going to be released in early 2016, so I expect a single by the end of this year at most.

Yeah - LaBrie only started tracking vocals a couple of weeks ago?? If they still have keys and solos to overdub - they'd still have to finalise a tracklist and sequencing - mix and master it and then

decide a single and do a video ? Unless they rush one out with a lyric video for hype but I can't see it happening.
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Post by: rumborak on August 19, 2015, 11:07:04 AM
It doesn't have to be a single, but man, even just a small video, or even pictures, would be nice.
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 19, 2015, 04:03:46 PM
yeah. would be nice.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2015, 10:07:28 PM
Don't they usually have the single out a while before the video? I seem to recall OTBOA originally just having the album cover behind the video, then the video came out while they were doing festivals.

But my memory is basically useless.
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Post by: 425 on August 19, 2015, 10:08:20 PM
That's how I think it was for The Enemy Inside. I think TEI might even have been released on Soundcloud and then the video came out a while later on YouTube.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 20, 2015, 02:06:57 AM
I know for TEI they had a lyric video early on (not sure how far behind the audio single that was), then later they released a proper music video for it. It varies a little bit each time I suppose.
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Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2015, 02:15:37 AM
Don't they usually have the single out a while before the video? I seem to recall OTBOA originally just having the album cover behind the video, then the video came out while they were doing festivals.

But my memory is basically useless.

That's it. I think it was the first time we'd seen the album art too ??
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Post by: Train of Naught on August 20, 2015, 03:01:05 AM
I thought they used an alternative art cover, not the original album cover, this one?

(https://pre07.deviantart.net/3485/th/pre/f/2013/227/0/0/review__dream_theater_s__the_enemy_inside__by_crucifythewolf-d6ibud5.jpg)
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Post by: Zydar on August 20, 2015, 03:02:07 AM
I remember them releasing snippets of the different cover art on Instagram and Facebook.
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Post by: genome on August 20, 2015, 06:42:50 AM
I think my albums video was shared somewhere, as it's just doubled in views in about 3 hours...
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 20, 2015, 07:39:19 AM
It was shared on "John Petrucci's Beard" FaceBook Page.
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Post by: genome on August 20, 2015, 08:39:37 AM
Haha, crazy. It had 600 views when I got to work this morning and 6 hours later it's on 1575.  :lol
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Post by: Zydar on August 20, 2015, 09:05:38 AM
That's one hell of a boost :lol
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Post by: genome on August 20, 2015, 09:09:16 AM
Be proud, your photoshop is getting exposure!

I sent it to the Meme Theater page but they didn't respond.  :-[
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 20, 2015, 11:05:46 AM
That's a shame. Maybe it isn't a "dank enough meme"
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Post by: genome on August 20, 2015, 12:58:04 PM
I've cracked 2k. Gotta love the internet.
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 20, 2015, 03:01:29 PM
I've cracked 2k. Gotta love the internet.
I'll try and make an "all mars volta songs at once..." I want 2000 views too!
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Post by: Sacul on August 20, 2015, 04:09:22 PM
I sent it to the Meme Theater page but they didn't respond.  :-[
They've been pretty inactive for a year or so, since most of the admins set up a new page called "Prog Talk", which is quite awesome tbh. Will share your video there - let's see how many views it can get  ;D .
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Post by: genome on August 20, 2015, 04:55:37 PM
I've cracked 2k. Gotta love the internet.
I'll try and make an "all mars volta songs at once..." I want 2000 views too!

Go for an album approach. I tried all DT songs at once and it was literally just white noise. With albums you can pick out the odd vocal line or guitar/key melody.

Thinking of making another one. I might try someone less heavy, like Rush or Genesis.

Sacul, you're an admin?
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Post by: Sacul on August 20, 2015, 05:46:01 PM
Yup.
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Post by: genome on August 21, 2015, 05:43:34 AM
Awesome.

4k now. Not bad for a video that took longer to upload than it did to make.
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Post by: BlackInk on August 22, 2015, 12:53:50 AM
I dreamt that I heard DT's new album last night. The music was okay, but at least the production was great. So I was a bit disappointed when I woke up.
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Post by: Mladen on August 22, 2015, 03:48:21 AM
I had a dream that I was attending LaBrie's tracking in the studio, JP and Richard Chycki were also there. I was hanging in front of their studio with some friends, then James suggested he went out and bought some juice and then we can come in to have a listen. It was so weird.  :lol
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 22, 2015, 07:30:17 AM
What did it sound like?  :lol
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Post by: Mladen on August 22, 2015, 07:51:07 AM
I remember getting in, having a seat with a whole lot of people I didn't know (the friends suddenly disappeared), and I honestly don't remember what happened next. A friend of mine called me slightly later and asked why I wasn't in the studio. Dreams can be fucked up.  :biggrin:
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on August 22, 2015, 08:40:03 AM
I remember getting in, having a seat with a whole lot of people I didn't know (the friends suddenly disappeared), and I honestly don't remember what happened next. A friend of mine called me slightly later and asked why I wasn't in the studio. Dreams can be fucked up.  :biggrin:
Shame. I was hoping for some sneak peaks.  :biggrin:
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Post by: Pax on August 24, 2015, 03:57:05 AM
I had a dream that the new album would be a two-disc concept album, with no song shorter than 10 minutes, multiple songs longer than 20 mins, featuring Metropolis pt 3, ITPOE pt 3 and (8*8=64)varium
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 24, 2015, 04:10:33 AM
I had a dream that the new album would be a two-disc concept album, with no song shorter than 10 minutes, multiple songs longer than 20 mins, featuring Metropolis pt 3, ITPOE pt 3 and (8*8=64)varium

:lol Awesome dream, probably a terrible idea.
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Post by: King Postwhore on August 24, 2015, 07:03:36 AM
My dreams are of naked women.  You're all doing it wrong.
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Post by: Lynxo on August 24, 2015, 07:38:55 AM
My dreams are of naked, hairy DT members. AmIdoinitrite?
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Post by: King Postwhore on August 24, 2015, 07:44:14 AM
My dreams are of naked, hairy DT members. AmIdoinitrite?

No that's the RHCP's dream. :lol
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Post by: Kotowboy on August 24, 2015, 05:55:51 PM
I had a dream that the new album would be a two-disc concept album, with no song shorter than 10 minutes, multiple songs longer than 20 mins, featuring Metropolis pt 3, ITPOE pt 3 and (8*8=64)varium

It's the sequel to Octavarium !

DecaHexavarium !

1. The Square Root Of All Evil
2. The Answers Lies Withins
3. These WaIIs
4. II Walk Beside You
5. PanIIc Attack
6. Never Ever Enough Already
7. Scarified Sons ( Featuring Paul Gilbert )
8. DecaHexavarium (48:00)

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Post by: rumborak on August 24, 2015, 06:48:41 PM
Speaking of DecaHexavarium, I still can't believe MP would seriously have a song called "Triangulum" with a following band.
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Post by: Kotowboy on August 24, 2015, 06:50:51 PM
Triangulum ?!

But Octavarium is 2.5x better ! ! ;D
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Post by: Pax on August 31, 2015, 11:20:07 AM
https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/posts/1011118722273473
''Hope everyone's summer has been awesome! Had a great time on DT's Euro festival run and we continue to work real hard on the new album. Couldn't be happier with the way it's coming out! Will have news to share very soon. Got some really cool announcements coming in the next couple of months as well. Lots of things in development. Enjoy the rest of the summer!''
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Post by: Voices on August 31, 2015, 11:45:06 AM
"Very soon"  :'(
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Post by: Evermind on August 31, 2015, 11:54:58 AM
The rest of the summer? Autumn is starting tomorrow.
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Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 11:56:38 AM
The rest of the summer? Autumn is starting tomorrow.

 :lol


I like the "lots of things in development" comment.
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Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 31, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
The rest of the summer? Autumn is starting tomorrow.

September starts tomorrow. Autumn starts on the 23st.

and JP's comment def has me excited.
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Post by: BlackInk on August 31, 2015, 12:07:01 PM
To me, september is the start of autumn. #relevant

But yeah, looking forward to some news. "Very soon" sounds good, but we'll see.
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Post by: Evermind on August 31, 2015, 12:22:24 PM
To me, september is the start of autumn. #relevant

But yeah, looking forward to some news. "Very soon" sounds good, but we'll see.

Yeah, all of that.

Does autumn really start on September 23rd for American guys? I didn't know.
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Post by: TAC on August 31, 2015, 12:23:33 PM
For Evermind, Autumn starts tomorrow and then Winter starts on the 23rd! :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 31, 2015, 12:23:36 PM
"Very soon"  :'(
Though optimistically speaking "Very soon" can be everything from in a week to 6 months so there's potential happiness in that statement.

(https://uldissprogis.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/optimism-640x492.png)
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Post by: TL on August 31, 2015, 12:37:23 PM
To me, september is the start of autumn. #relevant

But yeah, looking forward to some news. "Very soon" sounds good, but we'll see.

Yeah, all of that.

Does autumn really start on September 23rd for American guys? I didn't know.
In North America at least, Fall is Sep 21 to Dec 21.
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Post by: Prog Snob on August 31, 2015, 12:44:04 PM
(https://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/Prog_Snob/soon_zpscy9optpg.png)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 31, 2015, 12:45:32 PM
Very :soon:
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Post by: Stadler on August 31, 2015, 12:48:59 PM
I could be wrong, but most people here in the States don't refer to "summer" and "fall" via dates; it's more tied to school and Labor Day.   Labor Day (first Monday in September, this year: September 7) usually signifies the 'end of summer' and most schools go back just before or immediately after (my town public school, Thursday, September 3, my daughter's private school, Wednesday September 9) Labor Day. 

So I can imagine John thinking there is another week or so of "summer". 
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Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 31, 2015, 12:57:59 PM
really it depends on where you live and what you go by, but the way winter has been crushing us in Boston the last few years I think TAC is on to something. All I know is that Summer ain't over for me until I say it is. Or, well, google. https://www.google.com/search?q=START+OF+FALL
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Post by: Evermind on August 31, 2015, 12:59:16 PM
I see. Most schools in Russia go back operating at 1st of September, and the same date marks the beginning of autumn, so autumn lasts for full September, October and November, and winter begins at 1st of December. The more you know.

For Evermind, Autumn starts tomorrow and then Winter starts on the 23rd! :lol

:rollin That would be 26th, the day I'll return from Netherlands.

Actually, with all the stereotypes about Russia, winter isn't so bad here. In fact, it's my favourite season.
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Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on August 31, 2015, 01:44:21 PM
*deleted*

that didn't work (well it did, but it's not there now). not sure what happened here.
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Post by: ariich on September 01, 2015, 04:14:51 AM
Very :soon:
Dammit, got there before me.
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Post by: SuperTaco on September 01, 2015, 08:56:09 AM
I hope something comes out in the next 4 weeks. Even just an album title, or a more specific release date would be a terrific present. I'm happy to read that short, but sweet update from JP. It gets my excitement rolling again :)
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 01, 2015, 12:11:34 PM
Well they said the album should be out around February. That's *still* 5 - 6  months away or so.


Is it too far away to be releasing info ?

Probably too far away for a single.. ?
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Post by: GasparXR on September 01, 2015, 03:57:05 PM
Well they said the album should be out around February. That's *still* 5 - 6  months away or so.


Is it too far away to be releasing info ?

Probably too far away for a single.. ?

I imagine we'll get info on the album by the end of October, and probably a single by the end of the year.
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Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 01, 2015, 03:59:54 PM
*hopes*
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Post by: Moor on September 02, 2015, 03:29:31 AM
The winter is coming.
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Post by: ? on September 03, 2015, 01:15:07 AM
There's an interview with JP in the next issue of Prog Magazine, which will come out on the 9th of September: https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/official-charts-and-prog-magazine-join-forces-to-launch-the-official-prog-albums-chart__10626/

I couldn't copy the image link of the mag cover on my phone, but it says:

DREAM THEATER
"It's gone on longer than ever. You'll see why..."
John Petrucci on why the brand new album could be a double
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 03, 2015, 01:19:01 AM
Please not a double album.
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 03, 2015, 04:12:14 AM
I wouldn't want a double album either. Unless the 2nd disc was the album again on all acoustic instruments.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 03, 2015, 04:43:01 AM
I wouldn't mind a double.
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Post by: Sacul on September 03, 2015, 04:49:29 AM
I wouldn't mind a double.
This. But in the end, I'll care more about the quality of the songs, whether they're just 3 or 17 or whatever.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 03, 2015, 04:50:10 AM
Please not a double album.
Why does that matter? Sure if it's filled with filler tracks but nobody knows at this point. I don't see a reason why a double album would be a negative thing before you've heard the actual album?
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Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 04:51:29 AM
Please not a double album.
Why does that matter? Sure if it's filled with filler tracks but nobody knows at this point. I don't see a reason why a double album would be a negative thing before you've heard the actual album?

Agreed.  Who cares how long it is until we actually hear it?
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Post by: Mladen on September 03, 2015, 05:14:57 AM
Double album? Why in the world not?
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 03, 2015, 05:19:00 AM
Historically double albums are never the bands best work or have enough great material on to warrant so many tracks.

You get the inevitable " oh - imagine if DT13 was one album " talk for years afterwards.

I suppose a double album could be a reaction to DT12 being relatively short.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 03, 2015, 05:38:49 AM
Hey you only have to play one at a time...
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 03, 2015, 05:43:26 AM
Although i'd prefer 15 tracks with the occasional clunker than an album of 6 tracks with a few clunkers on.
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Post by: fischermasamune on September 03, 2015, 05:50:49 AM
DREAM THEATER
"It's gone on longer than ever. You'll see why..."
John Petrucci on why the brand new album could be a double

It doesn't make sense to me. Why would JP especulate about the length of the album? It is or it is not.
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Post by: Viking of the Sagas on September 03, 2015, 06:37:34 AM
I prefer more DT to less DT. The more songs there are on the album, the more chances there are of encountering something truly MAJESTIC.
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Post by: ariich on September 03, 2015, 06:48:28 AM
Historically double albums are never the bands best work or have enough great material on to warrant so many tracks.
Well, Six Degrees is my favourite DT so I don't agree with that. But that's because of the quality of the music, rather than the length. I have no strong opinion about it being a double album or not.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 03, 2015, 06:59:29 AM
DREAM THEATER
"It's gone on longer than ever. You'll see why..."
John Petrucci on why the brand new album could be a double

It doesn't make sense to me. Why would JP especulate about the length of the album? It is or it is not.
Because it is possible that they wrote more music than would fit on one album (which would be the first in a long, long time), but they haven't decided whether to release it all at once as a double album or maybe hold some back for an EP or B-sides or something like that.
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Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 07:00:21 AM
There's an interview with JP in the next issue of Prog Magazine, which will come out on the 9th of September: https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/official-charts-and-prog-magazine-join-forces-to-launch-the-official-prog-albums-chart__10626/

I couldn't copy the image link of the mag cover on my phone, but it says:

DREAM THEATER
"It's gone on longer than ever. You'll see why..."
John Petrucci on why the brand new album could be a double

Called a double album months ago!
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Post by: Stadler on September 03, 2015, 07:04:01 AM
Historically double albums are never the bands best work or have enough great material on to warrant so many tracks.

You get the inevitable " oh - imagine if DT13 was one album " talk for years afterwards.

I suppose a double album could be a reaction to DT12 being relatively short.

I have never heard that once regarding "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road", "Physical Grafitti", or "The Wall", and rarely with regard to "The White Album" or "Marbles" (and with the former, it's usually from haters wanting less "experimentation" ala Revolution 9 and more "same" ala "Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da").
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Post by: mikeyd23 on September 03, 2015, 07:09:42 AM
Ain't nothing necessarily wrong with a double album, that's for sure!
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Post by: ReaperKK on September 03, 2015, 07:11:37 AM
Historically double albums are never the bands best work or have enough great material on to warrant so many tracks.

You get the inevitable " oh - imagine if DT13 was one album " talk for years afterwards.

I suppose a double album could be a reaction to DT12 being relatively short.

After listening to both Use Your Illusion albums recently I agree, there is about one album's worth of great songs there.
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Post by: ? on September 03, 2015, 07:11:49 AM
DREAM THEATER
"It's gone on longer than ever. You'll see why..."
John Petrucci on why the brand new album could be a double

It doesn't make sense to me. Why would JP especulate about the length of the album? It is or it is not.
Perhaps they've recorded more than 80 minutes of music, but haven't decided whether all of it will make the final cut? (myung'd by hef)

I'm firmly in the "please no double album" camp. I'd prefer a tight album and an EP of outtakes, à la Porcupine Tree's Fear of a Blank Planet and Nil Recurring. Six Degrees turned out pretty well, but most of 00s DT albums have included plenty of filler IMO.
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Post by: 425 on September 03, 2015, 07:13:53 AM
I don't particularly care for the length of double albums, because it's hard to maintain quality. I'm not even particularly keen on filling up the one CD, unless you're really sure you can do it. I've liked double albums (usually concepts) and plenty of 75+ minute albums, but there are also a lot that feel too long and are tiring to listen to.

The one DT made a double album, I don't hold in high esteem compared to their other works, so just based on that I'd prefer if they'd keep it to one disc. They're allowed to go up to 80 minutes, though, because they can often pull that off.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on September 03, 2015, 07:25:54 AM
Historically double albums are never the bands best work or have enough great material on to warrant so many tracks.

You get the inevitable " oh - imagine if DT13 was one album " talk for years afterwards.

I suppose a double album could be a reaction to DT12 being relatively short.

After listening to both Use Your Illusion albums recently I agree, there is about one album's worth of great songs there.

That's for me the prime example of "double album that should have been one".
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 07:31:58 AM
No doubt. Except I wouldn't trust GnR to keep the best songs, so I'm glad they released both so I could make my own UYI!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: goo-goo on September 03, 2015, 08:21:43 AM
I have mixed feelings about DT13 being a double album. I was hoping more of an experimental approach to this new album but it seems (appears) that is going to be more of a quantity vs quality approach.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 08:25:39 AM
I have mixed feelings about DT13 being a double album. I was hoping more of an experimental approach to this new album but it seems (appears) that is going to be more of a quantity vs quality approach.

How can anyone make this assumption?  No one has heard anything so how would anyone know what quality the album will be. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on September 03, 2015, 08:27:33 AM
Do we even have confirmation that it's going to be a double album?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 08:33:37 AM
Do we even have confirmation that it's going to be a double album?

No, just a vauge JP quote that we at DTF are picking apart as usual  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on September 03, 2015, 08:37:06 AM
Forgot about that :lol

Carry on.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: RoeDent on September 03, 2015, 08:46:16 AM
These days, with playlisting, you can take out the tracks you don't like and make your own album, without the "filler". Or just don't listen to the whole thing in a single go, if you don't want to. No one's forcing you.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: goo-goo on September 03, 2015, 08:56:02 AM
I have mixed feelings about DT13 being a double album. I was hoping more of an experimental approach to this new album but it seems (appears) that is going to be more of a quantity vs quality approach.

How can anyone make this assumption?  No one has heard anything so how would anyone know what quality the album will be.

I know. My point being is that DT has spent time in the studio since February and finished before this last tour they did. 4 months maybe in the studio? Ever since Systematic, DT seems to try and fill the disc with 70-80 mins of music instead of working on stronger songs. Again, this is my opinion. One of DT's problems in my view is quantity vs quality.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 03, 2015, 09:07:29 AM

I'm firmly in the "please no double album" camp. I'd prefer a tight album and an EP of outtakes, à la Porcupine Tree's Fear of a Blank Planet and Nil Recurring. Six Degrees turned out pretty well, but most of 00s DT albums have included plenty of filler IMO.


Nil Recurring was just as good as FOABP in my view.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 09:07:47 AM
These days, with playlisting, you can take out the tracks you don't like and make your own album, without the "filler". Or just don't listen to the whole thing in a single go, if you don't want to. No one's forcing you.

Good point, one person's filler is another one's ... treasure?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 03, 2015, 09:10:37 AM
Well technically everyones filler should be everyone's filler since people misuse the word filler to mean " I don't like this song " when it should be used for when the band purposefully

writes a song with the sole intention of filling up space on an album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 09:18:37 AM
Well technically everyones filler should be everyone's filler since people misuse the word filler to mean " I don't like this song " when it should be used for when the band purposefully

writes a song with the sole intention of filling up space on an album.

True, but do bands ever openly admit to doing this?  Do we know of any reason to think DT does this? I guess evidence is that they write long albums, but that doesn't necessarily mean they write "filler" songs.  hell, they even play all their songs live so I doubt they would play a "filler" song live.  I get what you mean though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: 425 on September 03, 2015, 09:19:30 AM
Black Sabbath I'm pretty sure admits that Paranoid was filler.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 03, 2015, 09:22:27 AM
And Metallica with Escape.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 09:24:43 AM
Ha funny, now that you mention it, I think Def Leppard admitted Pour Some Sugar on Me was filler.  lol funny how things work out.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: 425 on September 03, 2015, 09:25:52 AM
And Metallica with Escape.

And note, neither of those songs is particularly awful. One is just about the simplest rock song ever written, but it's obviously been memorable, and the other is kind of childish compared to the other ones on the album but is also a decent song that doesn't drag the quality of the album down.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 03, 2015, 10:07:52 AM
Black Sabbath I'm pretty sure admits that Paranoid was filler.

Yes, in the sense that they wrote it to take up space but i think they had equal purpose to put a faster song on there to switch things up a bit. Neon Knights was the same way.

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 10:14:14 AM
Didn't PMU start out as filler?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 03, 2015, 10:15:59 AM
Didn't PMU start out as filler?

Yeah they couldnt be bothered to finish it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Robo4900 on September 03, 2015, 11:41:46 AM
The way it's been working for years is they write and record until they're satisfied, do all the post production stuff, and release. If they have written more music than will fit on once disc this time, there's no reason they can't do another double album.

I don't see the logic behind writing more music and then putting half the stuff you've written on B-sides or an EP. It just... Doesn't make sense IMO. All it does is essentially lock off all the extra music to the hardcore fans, who would probably just end up complaining about it anyway.
So, consider me in support of the album being exactly as long as needs to be. Even if it comes in a box the size of my house and is on 300 CDs; it means I won't need planning permission to build my evil lair.


Didn't PMU start out as filler?
PMU came from an idea from Derek Olver(One of the people from their label at the time). His suggestion laid the groundwork for the song, thus its working title of "Oliver's Twist".
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: The Dark Master on September 03, 2015, 11:53:12 AM
The way it's been working for years is they write and record until they're satisfied, do all the post production stuff, and release. If they have written more music than will fit on once disc this time, there's no reason they can't do another double album.

I don't see the logic behind writing more music and then putting half the stuff you've written on B-sides or an EP. It just... Doesn't make sense IMO. All it does is essentially lock off all the extra music to the hardcore fans, who would probably just end up complaining about it anyway.
So, consider me in support of the album being exactly as long as needs to be. Even if it comes in a box the size of my house and is on 300 CDs; it means I won't need planning permission to build my evil lair.




Pretty much this.  I hate b-sides and non-album tracks.  If you have a complete song, put it on a proper album.  If that means the album needs to be a double album, then make it a double.  I don't want to have to get every goddamn single and EP to hear all these extra songs that should have just been on the full album anyways.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 03, 2015, 12:43:12 PM
These days, with playlisting, you can take out the tracks you don't like and make your own album, without the "filler". Or just don't listen to the whole thing in a single go, if you don't want to. No one's forcing you.
Good point, one person's filler is another one's ... treasure?
Absolutely. How often have there been those "best of" threads on here with people listing their favorite song(s) from each album or listing them in order of preference. It amazes me how many people's opinions conflict with each other's about what's great and what's not.

That being said, I have no problem with the band setting aside some of the songs that they've written and recorded for something other than an album, whether it be for bonus tracks, B-sides, compilations, soundtracks, etc. It might be a bit of a pain to collect, but as a collector, I do enjoy hunting them down like a hidden treasure that has to be found.

And really, I'd rather the band write more material than is needed and then pick what songs are strongest and/or are most fitting for the overall feel of the album, even if I don't ultimately agree with all of their song choices. I can't help but think of Porcupine Tree's song Drown With Me - an absolutely beautiful song, that has a great hooky chorus; but it didn't fit the vibe feel of the album (In Absentia) so it was (IMO) properly left off the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: The Dark Master on September 03, 2015, 01:11:50 PM

That being said, I have no problem with the band setting aside some of the songs that they've written and recorded for something other than an album, whether it be for bonus tracks, B-sides, compilations, soundtracks, etc. It might be a bit of a pain to collect, but as a collector, I do enjoy hunting them down like a hidden treasure that has to be found.


You may like the "hunt", but for me, it has always proved to have been a major annoyance and a  waste of money.  I was really into Nightwish back towards the end of the Tarja era, and I bought a whole bunch of singles just for the extra tracks that didn't make the albums (even though they totally could have fit; and did on the European special editions).  Spending 7 dollars a pop on obscure singles that maybe had one new song each that I couldn't get any other way...  it's really not worth it.

And sure, now I could just get each extra track from Amazon or iTunes for a buck each, but then I don't have them on the physical CD that I just bought, and it's an annoyance if I want to listen to those songs with the record.  I'd rather just have them on the album proper, with the rest of the songs.

The only reason Dream Theater did not release Image and Words or Falling Into Infinity as double albums was because of the lack of control they had over their careers at the time.  If the record company had been willing to give them carte blanche back then, as they did after SFAM, I'm sure we would have seen an 11 track 80+ minute I&W, and a 16 track 2+ hours FII.  And frankly, that's the way it should have been.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Stadler on September 03, 2015, 01:15:27 PM
Some of you are forgetting too that some of these musicians grew up in the same era I (and several others here) did, where albums were a cohesive piece of work.  They had a theme, or a sound, or a feel, and anything that didn't fit ("Total Eclipse" by Maiden), or that sounded too much like something else already on the album ("Paperlate" by Genesis) got relegated to a B-Side. 

That art is lost by most bands, though, interestingly, I think Rush still adheres to that ethos, Maiden too, they are just not beholden to "two halves of 18 minutes each".
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on September 03, 2015, 01:20:39 PM


The only reason Dream Theater did not release Image and Words or Falling Into Infinity as double albums was because of the lack of control they had over their careers at the time.  If the record company had been willing to give them carte blanche back then, as they did after SFAM, I'm sure we would have seen an 11 track 80+ minute I&W, and a 16 track 2+ hours FII.  And frankly, that's the way it should have been.

FII was weak enough as a single album. ;D

Back in the day, bands had to cut songs out that thy did not ultimately feel were strong enough for the album. I have no problem with songs getting left off.
One of the criticisms against DT is that once they had sufficient material to fill a CD (which is basically a double album based on yesteryear's time limits) they stopped writing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Voices on September 03, 2015, 01:43:24 PM
Now, reading all of this, I think this album will be longer than the others.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Sacul on September 03, 2015, 01:46:32 PM
FII was weak enough as a single album. ;D
That's because Raise the Knife didn't make the cut :'(
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on September 03, 2015, 02:25:20 PM
FII was weak enough as a single album. ;D
That's because Raise the Knife didn't make the cut :'(

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: rumborak on September 03, 2015, 03:09:35 PM
Music isn't like a construction site where after a certain amount of work you can be sure of the quality of the output. I have personally been in the situation of writing songs in a band situation, and there are always the songs that everybody feels have great potential, but even after spending so much time on them, they just don't come together.
In DT's mode of operation, where they stop writing the moment they have enough material, those songs actually end up on the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Scorpion on September 03, 2015, 03:11:29 PM
But apparently, it's different this time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 03, 2015, 03:28:16 PM
One of the criticisms against DT is that once they had sufficient material to fill a CD (which is basically a double album based on yesteryear's time limits) they stopped writing.
Music isn't like a construction site where after a certain amount of work you can be sure of the quality of the output. I have personally been in the situation of writing songs in a band situation, and there are always the songs that everybody feels have great potential, but even after spending so much time on them, they just don't come together.
In DT's mode of operation, where they stop writing the moment they have enough material, those songs actually end up on the album.
I agree with both these posts. It's why I'd love for them to stay in the studio to develop all the other ideas that they had jammed out to see what might end up being some of their best material. Maybe that might mean economically they'd have to go back to writing in a rehearsal studio and do demos before moving up to the big recording studios - if so, I'm for it.

In a past interview MP told me that there's plenty of ideas that get left on the cutting room floor because they didn't fit in to the songs that they wrote for that writing session, and the vast majority of the time, those ideas are forever forgotten. Two exceptions to that are the heavy riff in TGP (beginning at 1:44) which they came up with during soundcheck on Touring Into Inifinity, and which they couldn't find a place for on SFaM, and IWBY which was mostly written during the ToT writing sessions but was abandoned because it didn't fit with the overall feel of the album. But how many other cool ideas did they develop that never found a "home" simply because they stopped writing once they got roughly 80 minutes of material?

Going back to FII, consider the fact that if Elektra simply accepted the first songs that DT came out with and they stuck to the 80 minute limit, there would be no Trial of Tears, Cover My Eyes, Speak to Me or New Millennium since those songs were written after they already had more than 80 minutes of material, not including Metropolis part II.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 03, 2015, 05:34:49 PM
^perfect summary.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on September 03, 2015, 05:36:37 PM
But how many other cool ideas did they develop that never found a "home" simply because they stopped writing once they got roughly 80 minutes of material?

Probably all ended up in Raw Dog  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on September 03, 2015, 07:36:28 PM
Music isn't like a construction site where after a certain amount of work you can be sure of the quality of the output.

This also applies to the inverse. Some of my favorite things that I've made myself have taken only a few hours to write. Writing good music isn't always hard work.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Stadler on September 04, 2015, 07:32:27 AM
I understand all the points here, but it's not that cut and dry.   It depends on whether DT is trying to put out "80 minutes of the best possible ideas we've had between xx/xx/201x and xx/xx/201x", or whether they have a conceptual idea of what this record is going to sound like and try to get to as close to it as they can.

Allegedly, Gene Simmons is threatening to put out a six-CD box set of all his song ideas that he's had over the years, and while he hasn't mentioned this in a while (it was first mooted around the time of the Kiss box set) his point was, I have all these ideas that either don't fit on a Kiss record, or at that point Paul (or whoever) had something they wanted to say.   Whether any one person thinks those songs on that box set are "better" than what appeared on the various Kiss albums is irrelevant.   The record that came out is the statement the band wanted to make.

I can't help but think that if that riff or that vocal line was SO good, the band would have made it happen.  These are our heroes, in a sense, and I wish we'd trust their judgment more in terms of their output.  This is what they do, for a living.  They have been able to not just make do, but thrive on making music for a living, which we all know is not an easy thing to do.   
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: lucasembarbosa on September 04, 2015, 09:05:51 AM
I have mixed feelings about DT13 being a double album. I was hoping more of an experimental approach to this new album but it seems (appears) that is going to be more of a quantity vs quality approach.

How can anyone make this assumption?  No one has heard anything so how would anyone know what quality the album will be.

I know. My point being is that DT has spent time in the studio since February and finished before this last tour they did. 4 months maybe in the studio? Ever since Systematic, DT seems to try and fill the disc with 70-80 mins of music instead of working on stronger songs. Again, this is my opinion. One of DT's problems in my view is quantity vs quality.

Actually, they started gathering ideas since the beginning of DT12 tour during the soundchecks... That's completely different to entering the studio with a blank page, nothing in mind. The process is much faster and easier.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 04, 2015, 09:54:42 AM
I am very excited for this release and love that they're taking so much time to make it :laugh:

Then again, always excited for new DT. It's DT man
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 04, 2015, 09:55:41 AM
One of the criticisms against DT is that once they had sufficient material to fill a CD (which is basically a double album based on yesteryear's time limits) they stopped writing.
Music isn't like a construction site where after a certain amount of work you can be sure of the quality of the output. I have personally been in the situation of writing songs in a band situation, and there are always the songs that everybody feels have great potential, but even after spending so much time on them, they just don't come together.
In DT's mode of operation, where they stop writing the moment they have enough material, those songs actually end up on the album.
I agree with both these posts. It's why I'd love for them to stay in the studio to develop all the other ideas that they had jammed out to see what might end up being some of their best material. Maybe that might mean economically they'd have to go back to writing in a rehearsal studio and do demos before moving up to the big recording studios - if so, I'm for it.

In a past interview MP told me that there's plenty of ideas that get left on the cutting room floor because they didn't fit in to the songs that they wrote for that writing session, and the vast majority of the time, those ideas are forever forgotten. Two exceptions to that are the heavy riff in TGP (beginning at 1:44) which they came up with during soundcheck on Touring Into Inifinity, and which they couldn't find a place for on SFaM, and IWBY which was mostly written during the ToT writing sessions but was abandoned because it didn't fit with the overall feel of the album. But how many other cool ideas did they develop that never found a "home" simply because they stopped writing once they got roughly 80 minutes of material?

Going back to FII, consider the fact that if Elektra simply accepted the first songs that DT came out with and they stuck to the 80 minute limit, there would be no Trial of Tears, Cover My Eyes, Speak to Me or New Millennium since those songs were written after they already had more than 80 minutes of material, not including Metropolis part II.
While all of this makes sense in theory, one big problem is that nobody agrees on WHICH parts would have been better left out. It has become very clear over the years that pretty much every DT song has some people who love it and some who hate it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on September 04, 2015, 01:05:33 PM
Let's complain about the length of the album after we've listened to it. I can't stand the whole "I'm firmly against a double album" when we haven't heard a single note. How can people can so closed minded?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: GasparXR on September 04, 2015, 02:38:53 PM
Let's complain about the length of the album after we've listened to it. I can't stand the whole "I'm firmly against a double album" when we haven't heard a single note. How can people can so closed minded?

This. Whether or not we will enjoy this album and/or the length of it remains to be seen. It could very well either be too short or too long or just the perfect length, even if it's a double album. Plus, there could be other reasons why the album is taking longer. One reason we already know is that there was a summer festival tour partway through. The rest could simply be that they spent more time on it, reflecting on the stuff they've already written much like when they wrote for Images and Words and they had songs on the shelf for a few years. Or, the music is already done and they're simply busy preparing other things for the album, like special packaging (like with Steven Wilson's Hand Cannot Erase album). Who the hell knows? Speculation is really fun (and we at DTF know this! :lol )but jumping to conclusions and then complaining about them is a bit unhealthy for the fan experience.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 04, 2015, 03:21:59 PM
::) duh it's TOTES obvious.

1.A Dramatic Turn Of Events was Images and Words again.

2.DT12 was dark and heavy like AWAKE. both have 9 tracks if you count AMBI as one "suite" or "song"

3.DT13 is going to be the double album that Falling Into Infinity was originally supposed to be.


ITS BLATES MATE !!! :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CDrice on September 04, 2015, 04:51:46 PM
::) duh it's TOTES obvious.

2.DT12 was dark and heavy like AWAKE. both have 9 tracks if you count AMBI as one "suite" or "song"


It goes deeper than that. The second song of both album is a melodic riff-driven heavy metal track. It's followed by a more pop-ish hard rock track. Then you have the instrumental. After that you have the second longest track on the album. The third to last song on both albums has lyrics by John Myung. And both albums end with a piano driven section.

You know what that means? Two albums from now we'll finally have Metropolis Part: 3  :omg:
 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 04, 2015, 04:57:38 PM
Oh.

My.



PETRUCCI. :dangerwillrobinson:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: 425 on September 04, 2015, 04:59:41 PM
You know what that means? Two albums from now we'll finally have Metropolis Part: 3  :omg:

Nah, it's going to be Outcry, Pt. 2.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on September 04, 2015, 05:49:02 PM
You know? This Awake theory is actually pretty reasonable.

The cycle ended with Octavarium, and started again with Systematic Chaos.
SC is considered bad (albeit not by me), so was most of their demo stuff.
BC&SL is also considered bad, even worse than SC (again, not by me). This could have been the new WDADU.

Portnoy is the modern Charlie. Leaves DT.
Joins new member, then it was James, now MM.
New album is written WITHOUT that member (I&W was written with no vocals and ADTOE was written without the drummer, JP creating it).
ADTOE resembled I&W as they would have done it back then.
DT12 is the new Awake.
The next album is totally FII related. Will someone leave the band?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 04, 2015, 09:44:54 PM
You know? This Awake theory is actually pretty reasonable.

The cycle ended with Octavarium, and started again with Systematic Chaos.
SC is considered bad (albeit not by me), so was most of their demo stuff.
BC&SL is also considered bad, even worse than SC (again, not by me). This could have been the new WDADU.

Portnoy is the modern Charlie. Leaves DT.
Joins new member, then it was James, now MM.
New album is written WITHOUT that member (I&W was written with no vocals and ADTOE was written without the drummer, JP creating it).
ADTOE resembled I&W as they would have done it back then.
DT12 is the new Awake.
The next album is totally FII related. Will someone leave the band?

Holy shit.  Do you think they're going to kick Derek Sherinian out?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on September 04, 2015, 09:45:39 PM

The next album is totally FII related. Will someone leave the band?

Never! This version of Dream Theater should stay until they decide as a band to call it a day (Which is hopefully a very long time away).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 05, 2015, 01:37:41 AM
I don't get how DT12 would be the "new Awake".
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Onno on September 05, 2015, 03:53:35 AM
I don't get how DT12 would be the "new Awake".
I don't either.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 05, 2015, 04:20:09 AM
I don't get how DT12 would be the "new Awake".
I don't either.
That's cause it isn't.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 05, 2015, 06:24:40 AM
I don't get how DT12 would be the "new Awake".
I don't either.
That's cause it isn't.
:lol yeah... i don't really get that
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Pax on September 05, 2015, 07:15:33 AM
Maybe there'll be a song ''Metropolis pt 3'' on the album, just like Metropolis pt 2 should've been on the FII, but they weren't allowed to make a double album
lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 05, 2015, 07:43:09 AM
Maybe there'll be a song ''Metropolis pt 3'' on the album, just like Metropolis pt 2 should've been on the FII, but they weren't allowed to make a double album
lol
If that happens, then I predict that, after the album, Dream Theater will announce their new headlining world tour, with opening act, Ariana Grande.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 05, 2015, 09:04:17 AM
I don't get how DT12 would be the "new Awake".
I don't either.
That's cause it isn't.

That's cause it's a joke.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: NotePad on September 05, 2015, 10:47:05 AM
No double album please. With Dream Theater, hearing their doing a double album will just result in a Oh Geez response from me because it doesn't really mean anything special from them. Every DT album feels like a double album. It just means more long instrumental parts and unnecessary keyboard solos, which we have heard enough of. I want a tight short album from them, like Awake :p
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: 425 on September 05, 2015, 10:48:24 AM
You already just got that, though.

While I don't want a double album, I do want to see them return to writing songs in the 8-13 minute range.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: GasparXR on September 05, 2015, 12:23:10 PM
You already just got that, though.

While I don't want a double album, I do want to see them return to writing songs in the 8-13 minute range.

Well, maybe they wrote lots of those songs just for you, and as a result, it's a double album. :p
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: 425 on September 05, 2015, 02:00:47 PM
Maybe :rollin

Honestly, I just don't like the pressure of "here's an album that is this long." However, I have no problem with situations where two albums are released back to back (as in, less than 6 months apart) and are meant to be related, because then they can be listened to individually or as a pair. So if they really have almost two hours or more of high quality music, I'd like to see a double release.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Rodni Demental on September 05, 2015, 07:32:32 PM
No double album please. With Dream Theater, hearing their doing a double album will just result in a Oh Geez response from me because it doesn't really mean anything special from them. Every DT album feels like a double album. It just means more long instrumental parts and unnecessary keyboard solos, which we have heard enough of. I want a tight short album from them, like Awake :p

You seem to be describing what they did for Self Titled. Unless you mean you want them keep doing that or you want them to retry it for some other reasons but tbh I wouldn't expect them to try that twice in a row.

I don't even care what happens, but I certainly have nothing against a double album, there's no pressure or limitations and DT can unleash whatever they want. And as far as the perceived (or in this case preconceived) quality of a larger quantity of music goes; this will be completely subjective just as it has been for DTs entire music library.

Now, speaking of preconceptions. - Long instrumental Jams and over the top solos is part of what drew me to this band in the first place, more of that to fill up a double album sounds like win to me. Not to mention some of my favourite albums from this band are the 'epic' ones with a bunch of longer tracks, ie. 6DOIT/TOT/BC&SL. :P

Whatever happens, it's at least refreshing to see them try a different approach to what we expected. And I'm excited to hear whatever will come out of it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Octavarious on September 06, 2015, 02:31:16 AM
Maybe :rollin

Honestly, I just don't like the pressure of "here's an album that is this long." However, I have no problem with situations where two albums are released back to back (as in, less than 6 months apart) and are meant to be related, because then they can be listened to individually or as a pair. So if they really have almost two hours or more of high quality music, I'd like to see a double release.
I guess you mean something like SOAD's Mezmerize + Hypnotize in 2005... The 2 CDs actually bundled together building one double CD in the end... They were just 6 months apart from each other, same year.
Well that was great but it doesn't happen frequently, and a resounding success like those 2 albums it' s not granted. I am not saying it won't be the case, but I doubt about DT considering this option...
We'll see next year...
By the way, a CD or a XMas gift online with the "best" of recent 30th aniversay tour could not be an option?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Bertielee on September 06, 2015, 02:36:14 AM
Exactly this, Rodni!

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on September 06, 2015, 05:52:45 AM


Now, speaking of preconceptions. - Long instrumental Jams and over the top solos is part of what drew me to this band in the first place, more of that to fill up a double album sounds like win to me.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 06, 2015, 08:53:48 AM


Now, speaking of preconceptions. - Long instrumental Jams and over the top solos is part of what drew me to this band in the first place, more of that to fill up a double album sounds like win to me.

Exactly.

At first it did but after Octavarium they started to sound less interesting and more like they were putting them in just because.

I got into DT around 2007 and I adored Rudess but over the years i've gotten really tired of his wacky lead playing and his lead tones have steadily gotten worse and his solos less interesting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 06, 2015, 10:08:25 AM


Now, speaking of preconceptions. - Long instrumental Jams and over the top solos is part of what drew me to this band in the first place, more of that to fill up a double album sounds like win to me.

Exactly.

At first it did but after Octavarium they started to sound less interesting and more like they were putting them in just because.

I got into DT around 2007 and I adored Rudess but over the years i've gotten really tired of his wacky lead playing and his lead tones have steadily gotten worse and his solos less interesting.

I agree on the Rudess point. I don't know why he ditched the lead sound he used on SFaM and SDoIT. It was beautiful and made some of his weaker solos like the one in TTTSTA sound better. He hasn't had a truly great solo since the moog solo in Octavarium. Since SC, his solos have been serviceable (AftR) at best and atrocious (ANtR) at worst.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: paulstfu on September 06, 2015, 02:28:54 PM
You know? This Awake theory is actually pretty reasonable.

The cycle ended with Octavarium, and started again with Systematic Chaos.
SC is considered bad (albeit not by me), so was most of their demo stuff.
BC&SL is also considered bad, even worse than SC (again, not by me). This could have been the new WDADU.

Portnoy is the modern Charlie. Leaves DT.
Joins new member, then it was James, now MM.
New album is written WITHOUT that member (I&W was written with no vocals and ADTOE was written without the drummer, JP creating it).
ADTOE resembled I&W as they would have done it back then.
DT12 is the new Awake.
The next album is totally FII related. Will someone leave the band?

JR posted he's doing a solo album, so JORDAN RUDESS IS LEAVING THE BAND. DIEGO TEJEIDA (Haken's Keyboardist and JR's adoptive son) IS THE NEW KEYBOARDIST, METROPOLIS PT 3 CONFIRMED.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 06, 2015, 02:49:44 PM
M3TROPOLIS PART III : Scenes From A Trilogy.



It will be a double album because Part 1 = song. Part 2 = Album. Part 3 = Double Album. It will bring the whole Metropolis Saga to a close.

It will also feature 8 tracks and a 24 minute epic at the end like Octavarium because Album 5 + Album 8 = Album 13 or something.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on September 06, 2015, 03:20:42 PM
If one day they decide to make another concept album, I wouldn't want the shows to be like the SFAM ones, where the album was played entirely during the FIRST act, I think it's better if it's played during the Second act (after the intermission). More climatic, more exciting and the buildup during the first act would be awesome.

As for whether or not it's a double album. I got no problems with that, however, it's not a situation that I really see happening as they appear to be a largely situational group. So, unless they get a tremendous inspiration peak worth 75+ minutes of music, it won't happen.
Another thing is that if they get like 80 minutes of music, the're most likely going to cut or shorten stuff rather than making a double album, they would have to exceed the timing by at least 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Cedar redaC on September 06, 2015, 04:33:21 PM
I'd love to see something that Dream Theater hasn't ventured too deep into yet, but I plan on buying the album on release day anyway
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Crow on September 07, 2015, 12:11:16 AM
comparing DT12 to Awake in any way is a travesty  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 07, 2015, 03:14:16 AM
comparing DT12 to Awake in any way is a travesty  :lol

Yes ! They're both terrible ! :neverusethis:


Nah i kid i kid.....




DT12 is way better than Awake.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 07, 2015, 07:13:35 AM
I'm not a big fan of Awake, bit it's miles and miles better than DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 07, 2015, 07:45:16 AM
I'm not a big fan of Awake, bit it's miles and miles better than DT12.

I agree.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 07, 2015, 08:20:09 AM
If DT12 had a much nicer drum sound and wasn't so compressed it would be a much better album.  I enjoy nearly all the tracks on it but Awake I only enjoy three tracks on it. . .
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 07, 2015, 08:49:50 AM
Super amateurish production aside, the only way DT12 would be better than any other DT album is if all the songs were replaced with songs that are good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Crow on September 07, 2015, 09:25:05 AM
DT12 is probably my least favorite of all their albums because it's soooo boring and soooo badly produced
Awake on the other hand is fantastic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on September 07, 2015, 09:41:35 AM
I tend to agree that DT12 is better than Awake, but it's pretty close.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on September 07, 2015, 09:56:09 AM
And the DT12 haters are out again in bunches. Very predictable. ;)

For me, DT12 is more like Images and Words. And before you lynch me, let me explain what I mean. Images and Words is taking the direction they started with WDADU (marrying prog and metal), and making a definitive album out of that core sound.  The second album they did this is Train of Thought, which took a new direction they experimented with in SDOIT (heavier, darker, more riff heavy) and then built an album around that core sound. Dream Theater, in my view, is an attempt to build on the direction they took in ADTOE (updating the more melodic DT classic sound) and make a definitive album around a core sound. Whether they succeeded in their attempt is a separate question.

For the two earlier "definitive" albums, they were both followed by albums that tried to infuse the core sound with then-contemporary elements. Awake with grunge, Octavarium with Muse. Maybe the next album would also infuse the core sound of the Dream Theater album with more contemporary elements. I hope it's not djent!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 07, 2015, 10:08:41 AM
I wouldn't want DT to do the old classic chugga-chugga aspect of djent, but experimenting with some more complex polyrhythmic riffs would be really cool, which is really what djent has become these days.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TL on September 07, 2015, 10:52:21 AM
I definitely feel that DT12 is a good album with production bad enough to be actively detrimental. Fairly often, you'll sort of notice an interesting thing going on in one of the songs, and think, "man, it would be great if I could actually clearly hear that part".
With proper mixing and mastering, I think that it would be one of my favorite DT albums, instead of just "pretty good".
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on September 07, 2015, 11:15:00 AM
Hopefully DT13 will be massively different in that regard. I remain cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: MarkFitDT on September 07, 2015, 03:02:25 PM
And the DT12 haters are out again in bunches. Very predictable. ;)

For me, DT12 is more like Images and Words. And before you lynch me, let me explain what I mean. Images and Words is taking the direction they started with WDADU (marrying prog and metal), and making a definitive album out of that core sound.  The second album they did this is Train of Thought, which took a new direction they experimented with in SDOIT (heavier, darker, more riff heavy) and then built an album around that core sound. Dream Theater, in my view, is an attempt to build on the direction they took in ADTOE (updating the more melodic DT classic sound) and make a definitive album around a core sound. Whether they succeeded in their attempt is a separate question.

For the two earlier "definitive" albums, they were both followed by albums that tried to infuse the core sound with then-contemporary elements. Awake with grunge, Octavarium with Muse. Maybe the next album would also infuse the core sound of the Dream Theater album with more contemporary elements. I hope it's not djent!

agree! would take DT12 over Awake any day of the week.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Rodni Demental on September 07, 2015, 07:35:56 PM
Agreed, I like me some Awake but DT12 is far more interesting to my ears at this point. Until I've listened to it more than Awake I couldn't say for sure. But as it is: DT12 > Awake. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: pcs90 on September 07, 2015, 09:58:27 PM
Totally agree, with Awake there are several tracks I skip over. With DT12 I like every single track. Sure, the mix and the drum sound are pretty bad, but in my opinion it's worth dealing with it for the music...and there are not many bands I could say that for.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on September 08, 2015, 12:35:44 AM
And the DT12 haters are out again in bunches. Very predictable. ;)

For me, DT12 is more like Images and Words. And before you lynch me, let me explain what I mean. Images and Words is taking the direction they started with WDADU (marrying prog and metal), and making a definitive album out of that core sound.  The second album they did this is Train of Thought, which took a new direction they experimented with in SDOIT (heavier, darker, more riff heavy) and then built an album around that core sound. Dream Theater, in my view, is an attempt to build on the direction they took in ADTOE (updating the more melodic DT classic sound) and make a definitive album around a core sound. Whether they succeeded in their attempt is a separate question.

For the two earlier "definitive" albums, they were both followed by albums that tried to infuse the core sound with then-contemporary elements. Awake with grunge, Octavarium with Muse. Maybe the next album would also infuse the core sound of the Dream Theater album with more contemporary elements. I hope it's not djent!

agree! would take DT12 over Awake any day of the week.

Thank you for agreeing with my point. But I did not say I prefer Dream Theater over Awake. :p (Actually, Awake is my favorite album followed by Dream Theater). Or is that a separate thought? ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: NotePad on September 08, 2015, 09:38:10 AM
Just give us another Awake goddamnit! Everything since SFAM has just been a slight variant of the same thing. Not different enough! They need to be that unpredictable band again. What happened to the guys who released I&W and then Awake right after? And don't say they've done everything there is to do, because that's not true. They've just gotten too comfortable doing the same thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on September 08, 2015, 09:43:14 AM
How is SDOIT, ToT  a variant of the same thing as SFAM? Or even SC and BC&SL?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Bertielee on September 08, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
How is SDOIT, ToT  a variant of the same thing as SFAM? Or even SC and BC&SL?

I was asking myself the same question.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 08, 2015, 10:29:08 AM
How is SDOIT, ToT  a variant of the same thing as SFAM? Or even SC and BC&SL?

I was asking myself the same question.

B.Lee


Octavarium is basically the sequel to SFAM because both albums begin and end :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 08, 2015, 10:30:45 AM
ALSO :


Scenes From A Memory has 9 "scenes" and Octavarium ALSO has some songs on too :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 08, 2015, 10:31:31 AM
All joking aside - SFAM has 13 tracks and is the 5th album and Octavarium is the 8th album and 5 + 8 = 13 and DT13 is out next year :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: fischermasamune on September 08, 2015, 11:51:24 AM
SFAM has 13 tracks?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: MarkFitDT on September 08, 2015, 12:01:24 PM
And the DT12 haters are out again in bunches. Very predictable. ;)

For me, DT12 is more like Images and Words. And before you lynch me, let me explain what I mean. Images and Words is taking the direction they started with WDADU (marrying prog and metal), and making a definitive album out of that core sound.  The second album they did this is Train of Thought, which took a new direction they experimented with in SDOIT (heavier, darker, more riff heavy) and then built an album around that core sound. Dream Theater, in my view, is an attempt to build on the direction they took in ADTOE (updating the more melodic DT classic sound) and make a definitive album around a core sound. Whether they succeeded in their attempt is a separate question.

For the two earlier "definitive" albums, they were both followed by albums that tried to infuse the core sound with then-contemporary elements. Awake with grunge, Octavarium with Muse. Maybe the next album would also infuse the core sound of the Dream Theater album with more contemporary elements. I hope it's not djent!

agree! would take DT12 over Awake any day of the week.

Thank you for agreeing with my point. But I did not say I prefer Dream Theater over Awake. :p (Actually, Awake is my favorite album followed by Dream Theater). Or is that a separate thought? ;)

I was agreeing with you and also having a separate thought of my own ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CDrice on September 08, 2015, 12:38:17 PM
SFAM has 13 tracks?

There is a actually a song after Finally Free on the album, but due to a mistake made during the production it ended up sounding like static noise.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 08, 2015, 02:18:21 PM
That's right. SFAM has 12. It's Six Degrees that has 13 tracks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on September 08, 2015, 02:35:13 PM
SFAM has 13 tracks?

There is a actually a song after Finally Free on the album, but due to a mistake made during the production it ended up sounding like static noise.
:rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Pax on September 09, 2015, 04:52:25 AM
prog magazine with 6 pages long Petrucci interview comes today
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: AboutToCrash on September 09, 2015, 05:35:16 AM
as I have access to prog mags articles in full I found the JP interview, there's not too much mention of the new album.. Mainly the past. But I managed to get this info out of it;

As for the new album, you’ve been writing for a lot longer than normal, which suggests either writer’s block or a double album.
 There’s certainly no writer’s block and there’s been no shortage of ideas. Without going into detail, this is a huge undertaking, what we’re doing. We’ve been working really hard and probably longer on this than other albums in the past. But you’ll see why.

Some fans suggested you played it too safe with the last two albums, whereas with Train Of Thought or Octavarium you took different approaches. Will this new album address those concerns?
 Absolutely. This new album is definitely not like anything else we’ve done before. Sometimes you feel like you need to make a change and do something totally different like this, and that’s when the albums like the ones you mention come out. But those albums were also very polarising and a lot of people said they hated them at first. So you take a huge chance whenever you do anything like that, but it’s part of the growth of a band and is massively important to keeping things interesting and keeping the spirit alive, and keeping people engaged, ourselves engaged, and excited.

It’s not going to be a blues album, then?
 No, it’s not a blues album! But we felt like we needed to do this, and that we needed to do something right now that is going to ground us. This album absolutely addresses that.

In the past, it’s been mentioned that if Dream Theater are unsure about something, you use the maxim: “What would Rush do?” Does that still hold true?
 Ha, yes, it does in a lot of instances. Even for us, there are iconic bands out there who we still look up to, and we may try to emulate some of the decisions they would make. You could be sitting there, trying to make a decision, and think, “Hmm. Would Geddy do that?”

Not sure if this is from the actual mag but not too much detail being given away at all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on September 09, 2015, 05:51:41 AM
Interesting, thanks to AboutToCrash for the facts :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 09, 2015, 05:55:36 AM
Interesting indeed. I'm hoping the extra studio time has gone into crafting one disc of something especially special, and not just creating a longer album of the same (although that wouldn't be anything different that they haven't done before).
I'm hoping the mention of a double album was just the equivalent of clickbait.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Pax on September 09, 2015, 06:18:44 AM
yeah, here's the article
https://prog.teamrock.com/features/2015-09-04/the-prog-interview-john-petrucci#
you'll have to register to read it though

Damn, cannot wait for the news anymore...
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ? on September 09, 2015, 06:50:28 AM
Thanks for the link! :tup

So the double album quote was taken out of context, but it's cool to hear that it'll be something different this time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on September 09, 2015, 07:05:07 AM
I hope that is a recent pic of him, if so - he's trimmed the beard.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2015, 07:48:04 AM
Interesting, thanks to AboutToCrash for the facts :tup

Haha. I forgot about that meme ! And the crying girl.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 09, 2015, 07:48:25 AM
Great read. Thanks for sharing.

My sense at this point is that the next album is going to be a little different. I don't think the guys are just saying that, nor do I think it's going to be some massive Watershed -> Heritage-esque departure, but it sounds like it's going to have a unique character about it, which is very cool.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2015, 08:00:30 AM
So the double album quote was taken out of context, but it's cool to hear that it'll be something different this time.
Yeah, he said no to the writers' block but not to the double album MUST BE A DOUBLE ALBUM THEN.

Of course, it is entirely possible, so we'll see. I was most interested in his comment accepting that the last couple of albums were safer and that there is some sort of change on the new one that they "needed to do". I've mentioned a bit earlier in this thread that the noises we're getting definitely go quite a lot beyond the usual fluff you get at this stage. It seems like the band genuinely believes they are doing something a bit different this time, more than previously.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: reneranucci on September 09, 2015, 08:05:48 AM
This new album is definitely not like anything else we’ve done before.
LOL
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2015, 08:08:30 AM
Anyone wanna do some bullet points of the main nuggetz of info in that article ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2015, 08:20:32 AM
Never Mind - I was already registered and I signed in.




As for the new album, you’ve been writing for a lot longer than normal, which suggests either writer’s block or a double album.
There’s certainly no writer’s block and there’s been no shortage of ideas. Without going into detail, this is a huge undertaking, what we’re doing. We’ve been working really hard and probably longer on this than other albums in the past. But you’ll see why.

It’s not going to be a blues album, then?
No, it’s not a blues album! But we felt like we needed to do this, and that we needed to do something right now that is going to ground us. This album absolutely addresses that.

Some fans suggested you played it too safe with the last two albums, whereas with Train Of Thought or Octavarium you took different approaches. Will this new album address those concerns?
Absolutely. This new album is definitely not like anything else we’ve done before. Sometimes you feel like you need to make a change and do something totally different like this, and that’s when the albums like the ones you mention come out. But those albums were also very polarising and a lot of people said they hated them at first. So you take a huge chance whenever you do anything like that, but it’s part of the growth of a band and is massively important to keeping things interesting and keeping the spirit alive, and keeping people engaged, ourselves engaged, and excited.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: 425 on September 09, 2015, 08:33:14 AM
Okay, so he actually just didn't comment at all on the suggestion that it might be a double album. He entirely ignored that part of the question.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2015, 08:39:32 AM
Kotow, dunno if you saw but AboutToCrash posted all that on that on the last page, and without unreadable yellow text. :P
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2015, 08:43:04 AM
Kotow, dunno if you saw but AboutToCrash posted all that on that on the last page, and without unreadable yellow text. :P

Feel free to change it to white.
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2015, 08:43:57 AM
Or delete it.


And this.


And this.

And this as well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 09, 2015, 09:05:41 AM
For the three album releases and the time before I've seen, the talk has always been that "this is something new, different, the next step", but I agree with ariich, there's a different vibe over it all this time. It's all quite interesting and I'm definetely excited.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2015, 09:08:31 AM
Kotow, dunno if you saw but AboutToCrash posted all that on that on the last page, and without unreadable yellow text. :P

Feel free to change it to white.
That would be even worse on my light background. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2015, 09:28:43 AM
For the three album releases and the time before I've seen, the talk has always been that "this is something new, different, the next step", but I agree with ariich, there's a different vibe over it all this time. It's all quite interesting and I'm definetely excited.

I just hope it's better than DT12. It's a shame that they intended that album to be their archetypal album but it's really not that great.

Octavarium is more like their archetypal album as it contains elements of every style that they do.

I massively prefer ADTOE to DT12 and another one like that would be fine by me as long as the drums sound great this time and the album is not squashed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ? on September 09, 2015, 10:28:12 AM
For the three album releases and the time before I've seen, the talk has always been that "this is something new, different, the next step"
Dunno, JP has typically said "this album has got all the elements DT is known for and I'm sure our fans will love it" etc. Either way, this interview makes me believe this time they've genuinely made an effort to create something totally new, and it makes me curious and excited.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on September 09, 2015, 11:14:51 AM
The fact that the recording process is taking so long and very little updates makes the quotes of this being a different album have a bit more merit IMO.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Onno on September 09, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
That makes me about five times more excited than I was. JP saying in an interview that DT13's gonna be different? Good!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Nihil-Morari on September 09, 2015, 11:19:43 AM
Quite possibly the best thing they've ever done!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: emtee on September 09, 2015, 11:34:53 AM
Excellent. I'm all for polarization and taking chances.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on September 09, 2015, 12:21:32 PM
Excellent. I'm all for polarization and taking chances.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Prog Snob on September 09, 2015, 12:38:41 PM
That makes the anticipation grow even more. What could they be doing for him to make such statements as, "this is a huge undertaking, what we're doing", "we needed to do something right now that is going to ground us", and "sometimes you feel like you need to make a change and do something totally different"?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Nihil-Morari on September 09, 2015, 01:41:12 PM
Call me blunt, but I don't think it's that much. Maybe a studio record with an orchestra? A concept album? A double album? What more could it be? It's not like they're going in an entirely different direction right now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on September 09, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
Call me blunt, but I don't think it's that much. Maybe a studio record with an orchestra? A concept album? A double album? What more could it be? It's not like they're going in an entirely different direction right now.

As I said before, I remain cautiously optimistic. The kind of things I've wanted to hear about a new Dream Theater album are being said, but I'll wait to hear a single or snippets before I decide to be hyped
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: cramx3 on September 09, 2015, 01:54:28 PM
Probably best to reserve judgement to set expectations.  All we know is that it isn't a blues record.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2015, 02:11:05 PM
An album using only acoustic instruments.

Acoustic Guitar, Piano, Drums with no triggers or pads or anything, acoustic fretless bass and vocals.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Nihil-Morari on September 09, 2015, 02:15:51 PM
An album using only acoustic instruments.

Acoustic Guitar, Piano, Drums with no triggers or pads or anything, acoustic fretless bass and vocals.

Well yeah but seriously. It's not that we're dealing with Steven Wilson who can come up with Bass Communion, or an artist like David Sylvian. We are dealing with Dream Theater, they have their sound, they have their style. I'm sure they'll do things that are unknown to the Dream Theater style, but it won't be groundbreaking. They couldn't. Although of course I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on September 09, 2015, 02:31:24 PM
An album using only acoustic instruments.

Acoustic Guitar, Piano, Drums with no triggers or pads or anything, acoustic fretless bass and vocals.

I would actually love if they did this. OR, like the Foo Fighters' In Your Honor album, have one disc be acoutic, and another be a "normal" like DT album. Then they could do two tours out of it, one regular, evening with tour focusing on the normal disc, and an intimate acoustic tour. I'd be all about that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SystematicThought on September 09, 2015, 02:38:53 PM
It makes me more curious, that's for sure. It also sounds like JP realized that they needed to do something different. The way he phrases it makes it sound so urgent and that it was a wakeup call or something. Maybe they'll even ditch Hugh Syme!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
" You'll see why "

Maybe they've done one 80 minute song broken up into 13 "movements".

Mind you they kinda did that on Six Degrees so that might rule that out too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: As I Am on September 09, 2015, 08:53:51 PM
If DT12 had a much nicer drum sound and wasn't so compressed it would be a much better album.  I enjoy nearly all the tracks on it but Awake I only enjoy three tracks on it. . .

 :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Dream Team on September 09, 2015, 09:52:35 PM
Something different like Yes' Fragile album might be cool. 4 -5 good prog songs and some shorter, experimental instrumental stuff.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: The Stray Seed on September 10, 2015, 02:54:19 AM
I actually like yellow. Really...
So thank you Kotow =D
Back IT, I'm so glad to hear this kind of news from JP. Especially that they spent I lot of time shaping and polishing this new work. This, plus them being so inspired in making something totally different, is making me really excited. I needed this.... the hope to feel totally amazed again.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 10, 2015, 03:19:43 AM
If DT12 had a much nicer drum sound and wasn't so compressed it would be a much better album.  I enjoy nearly all the tracks on it but Awake I only enjoy three tracks on it. . .

 :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn

:dunno: . . . . .
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on September 10, 2015, 07:30:21 AM


As I said before, I remain cautiously optimistic.

This has gotta be the most widely use comment with regards to the new album. I've seen a lot of people use it over the last few months xD It's so true, though. Everything feels a bit different this time. We might be in for a huge treat (Or it could be average).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: kaos2900 on September 10, 2015, 09:10:54 AM
Dream Theater has never disappointed me so for me there is no need to be cautiously optimistic. I'm sure I'll like it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Voices on September 10, 2015, 09:41:45 AM
Dream Theater has never disappointed me so for me there is no need to be cautiously optimistic. I'm sure I'll like it.

Same here. I'm trying to think what would be "very different" from what they've ever done...and there's a lot of things DT haven't done yet. For example, a more experimental album, a 'organic' kind of sound (like Heritage), a longer album divided in two different acts (same ideas with two different approaches), etc.

There's a lot of room for changes when it comes to DT13. I'm truly excited, and I won't be disappointed!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 10, 2015, 02:08:25 PM
Like I said before, I've been part of three album releases so far, and two of those have been big disappointments. So they most definetely have the ability to disappoint me, but I do like ADToE, so they seemingly still have it in them to create good things. I'm pretty confindent by now though that they will never "amaze" me again, even though I'm sure they can make music I'll enjoy. So what I'm thinking is "it'll be interesting to see what they'll do", rather than "this is going to be great!".
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ResultsMayVary on September 10, 2015, 02:28:30 PM
So the double album quote was taken out of context, but it's cool to hear that it'll be something different this time.
Yeah, he said no to the writers' block but not to the double album MUST BE A DOUBLE ALBUM THEN.

Of course, it is entirely possible, so we'll see. I was most interested in his comment accepting that the last couple of albums were safer and that there is some sort of change on the new one that they "needed to do". I've mentioned a bit earlier in this thread that the noises we're getting definitely go quite a lot beyond the usual fluff you get at this stage. It seems like the band genuinely believes they are doing something a bit different this time, more than previously.
This interests me the most. He's goes out of his way (not being led by the interviewer thankfully) to say this was something they needed to do, which implies very strongly that it's something noticeably different. And this excites me.

Octavarium is more like their archetypal album as it contains elements of every style that they do.
I absolutely agree with this. It was the first album I heard, so I may be a bit biased, but I think it's the perfect example of all of DT's elements on one album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 10, 2015, 03:14:39 PM

I absolutely agree with this. It was the first album I heard, so I may be a bit biased, but I think it's the perfect example of all of DT's elements on one album.

And what better epic than Octavarium !
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Rodni Demental on September 10, 2015, 09:33:28 PM
IT? :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 11, 2015, 01:18:39 AM
IT? :P

Eh no, not in a million years.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Onno on September 11, 2015, 01:29:03 AM
IT? :P

Eh no, not in a million years.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: AboutToCrash on September 11, 2015, 01:33:48 AM
I still highly believe they are doing something in the vein of SDOIT. One disc being regular tracks and the second disc being conceptual but separate tracks as opposed to a 42 minute concept song. The only problem would be that it has kinda been done before. Maybe a heavier record? or even a lighter record? who knows. We'll probably hear something in October/November! Until then let us continue expanding upon the 90+ pages of speculation before anything has even been revealed yet  :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on September 11, 2015, 03:33:08 AM
IT? :P
Yes, IT is better than Octavarium. *grabs popcorn* i'm serious about this though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on September 11, 2015, 03:35:07 AM
IT? :P
Yes, IT is better than Octavarium. *grabs popcorn* i'm serious about this though.

I'm with you. Share some popcorn.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 11, 2015, 03:36:50 AM
Here is Octavarium.


Here is the ballpark.















Here is IT.



Nope, not even close.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Sycsa on September 11, 2015, 04:46:08 AM
Yeah, I'll take IT over Octavarium any day. IT has so many good riffs and themes and it's just rockin. James put on his best studio performance since Awake, MM played his ass off. Octavarium, while it might be a better composition overall (plus it has JR's absolutely best solo ever), I really have to be in the mood to enjoy it (but then, I enjoy it immensely). It's a bit soft and slow for my tastes.

The other thing about Octavarium is that it's more '70s prog rock than modern prog metal. You just can't do '70s prog better than Pink Floyd, ELP, Jethro Tull, Yes, Genesis, Gentle Giant & co. used to do in the 70s. In my view, every modern band who try to play '70s prog fall short for this reason (that's why I could never really get into Spock's Beard, The Flower Kings, Transatlantic, Neal Morse...I absolutely love Riverside, though, the way they fused classic prog with metal on ADHD is spectacular).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Rodni Demental on September 11, 2015, 04:58:21 AM
Don't get me wrong I think Octavarium is great (even though it actually took a while to grow at first) but... Illumination Theory just seems more interesting at this point. Maybe because the former I've listened to hundreds of times and the latter probably less than 50. lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ReaperKK on September 11, 2015, 05:17:59 AM
Interesting indeed. I'm hoping the extra studio time has gone into crafting one disc of something especially special, and not just creating a longer album of the same (although that wouldn't be anything different that they haven't done before).
I'm hoping the mention of a double album was just the equivalent of clickbait.

I really hope you're right.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: MirzekDT on September 11, 2015, 05:23:20 AM
Yeah, I'll take IT over Octavarium any day. IT has so many good riffs and themes and it's just rockin. James put on his best studio performance since Awake, MM played his ass off. Octavarium, while it might be a better composition overall (plus it has JR's absolutely best solo ever), I really have to be in the mood to enjoy it (but then, I enjoy it immensely). It's a bit soft and slow for my tastes.

This. Every second of IT is pure bliss for my ears and I can listen to it any day. Especially the live version. Octavarium while very very good I have to be in mood for it and even then IT is still clearly better for me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 11, 2015, 06:04:21 AM
1) The production - The guitars on IT sound really weird and muffled, one of JP's worst guitar sounds on a DT album so far. The drums are just awfully produced. This lessens the listening experience of IT considerably for me. Octavarium sounds fine in every aspect of production.

2) Vocals - There are some truly cringe-worthy vocal lines by JLB on IT. Notes he just can not pull off. There are no such moments on Octavarium. The vocal melodies in IT are also just very "tame", or "nice". Most tracks on DT12 have that problem.

3) Lyrics - The lyrics on IT is just are okay at best, and horrible at worst. Cliche, preachy, silly, and seems as if just thrown together in an afternoon, with very little thought put into it. Octavarium's lyrics are amazing at best, and completely fine at worst. This is also a problem this track shares with most other tracks on DT12.

4) Flow - Octavarium has a very clear and defined flow throughout its entire length. The opening minutes might drag on repeated listens, but it's at least in the beginning, and doesn't disrupt any flow. On IT though, the extended bit is in the middle, and not only repeats that structure that they only just recently used in TCoT, but brings the track to a jarring halt halfway through. The other shifts between sections in IT are also much more awkward than in Octavarium, where they feel very natural.

5) The orchestra bit - The melodies are nice, but an orchestra with only strings sounds pretty hollow.

Musically, IT contains a quite a few cool ideas, I'll admit that much, but it has sooo many issues that just completely overshadows the good stuff.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: puppyonacid on September 11, 2015, 06:30:18 AM
but an orchestra with only strings sounds pretty hollow.

.....unless it's supposed to be a string orchestra
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 11, 2015, 06:44:26 AM
but an orchestra with only strings sounds pretty hollow.

.....unless it's supposed to be a string orchestra

Should it really matter what it's "supposed to be". It's the end result that matters, isn't it?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 11, 2015, 08:15:05 AM
Here is Octavarium.


Here is the ballpark.















Here is IT.



Nope, not even close.

This. :hifive:

Illumination Theory doesn't stay on one idea long enough for it to grab you. There's that bit near the beginning where it changes riff and feel every few bars and you're just getting into the groove and

then it changes. ??? Plus THOSE DRUMS.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 11, 2015, 08:18:01 AM
If I had to choose, I do prefer 8VM to IT.  But not by much.  Both are fantastic songs, and very compelling examples of progressive rock/metal songwriting (albeit for different reasons).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: emtee on September 11, 2015, 08:33:19 AM
3 disc concept album with multiple songs where an orchestra is used. Liner booklet that has written story with artwork galore.


Or not  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on September 11, 2015, 08:39:54 AM
I like both songs. Octavarium is special to me because it was the first DT song I listened to, and it blew my mind at the time. Illumination Theory was a song I was hyped for (mostly because of the name :P ) releasing, and it delivered massively.

I like a whole lot of music more than either of those, though. I rarely listen to DT epics/songs anymore. Obviously, that will change once DT13 comes out, but until then, Scheherazade, The Rite of Spring, Sky Blue (the other DT), and To Pimp a Butterfly are my jam right now :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 11, 2015, 09:27:59 AM
Illumination Theory is an amazing song but Octavarium is simply on another plane of existence. I love all of their epics but ItPoE, IT, SDoIT, ACoS, and TCoT simply can't compete with the greatness of 8VM. IMO, it's the greatest song ever written.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on September 11, 2015, 09:32:37 AM
As one of the resident IT lovers here, I just have to say that if the snare sound is enough for you to not appreciate the single best drumming composition in a DT song, I would say that you really are just predisposed not to like it from the start.

In terms of structure, they are just apples and oranges. IT has a narrative. Octavarium is thematic. I think it's much easier to appreciate the IT structure if you appreciate the story it is telling, as the transitions and changes in mood contribute to the narrative.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: goo-goo on September 11, 2015, 09:42:28 AM
Not a fan of Octavarium at all (although I do like it more in a live setting). But in my opinion, IT is leaps ahead than 8V. For me 8V is my least favorite DT epic...by a lot. I just find it "glued together". The section where songs and bands are names, I just cringe at it. Sounds very forced, especially lyrically. Musically, the intro is very long but I do like the Medicate Me and the Someone Like Him and Razor's Edge, which seem to have the same feel and flow as About To Crash and Losing Time. I love it when DT goes into this mode (Losing TIme, About To Crash, Trial of Tears, etc...).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 11, 2015, 09:47:04 AM
Don't get me wrong I think Octavarium is great (even though it actually took a while to grow at first) but... Illumination Theory just seems more interesting at this point. Maybe because the former I've listened to hundreds of times and the latter probably less than 50. lol

I was worn out on IT well before 50 listens, probably at about 10-20, and it was as much of a slog to hear live as ITPOE, which is about where I rank it with. No idea how many countless times I've heard Octavarium, but it still sounds as fresh and beautiful as ever.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 11, 2015, 09:52:37 AM
Don't get me wrong I think Octavarium is great (even though it actually took a while to grow at first) but... Illumination Theory just seems more interesting at this point. Maybe because the former I've listened to hundreds of times and the latter probably less than 50. lol

I was worn out on IT well before 50 listens, probably at about 10-20, and it was as much of a slog to hear live as ITPOE, which is about where I rank it with. No idea how many countless times I've heard Octavarium, but it still sounds as fresh and beautiful as ever.

:hifive: Yep. Octavarium never gets old ( song or album ) but I was bored of DT12 and IT after about 10 listens.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 11, 2015, 09:53:41 AM
Illumination Theory is an amazing song but Octavarium is simply on another plane of existence. I love all of their epics but ItPoE, IT, SDoIT, ACoS, and TCoT simply can't compete with the greatness of 8VM. IMO, it's the greatest song ever written.

I wouldn't go that far but I definitely think it's the best Dream Theater song - with Lines In The Sand a close second.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 11, 2015, 10:09:57 AM
Illumination Theory is an amazing song but Octavarium is simply on another plane of existence. I love all of their epics but ItPoE, IT, SDoIT, ACoS, and TCoT simply can't compete with the greatness of 8VM. IMO, it's the greatest song ever written.

I wouldn't go that far but I definitely think it's the best Dream Theater song - with Lines In The Sand a close second.

Stop reading my diary.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: MarkFitDT on September 11, 2015, 10:12:51 AM
Don't get me wrong I think Octavarium is great (even though it actually took a while to grow at first) but... Illumination Theory just seems more interesting at this point. Maybe because the former I've listened to hundreds of times and the latter probably less than 50. lol

I was worn out on IT well before 50 listens, probably at about 10-20, and it was as much of a slog to hear live as ITPOE, which is about where I rank it with. No idea how many countless times I've heard Octavarium, but it still sounds as fresh and beautiful as ever.

I cant remember the last time that I listened to Octavarium....I listen to IT nearly every day.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: 425 on September 11, 2015, 10:40:21 AM
As one of the resident IT lovers here, I just have to say that if the snare sound is enough for you to not appreciate the single best drumming composition in a DT song, I would say that you really are just predisposed not to like it from the start.

**puts stick in cage**

Metropolis, Pt. 1 has the single best drumming composition in a DT song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 11, 2015, 10:41:15 AM
Illumination Theory is an amazing song but Octavarium is simply on another plane of existence. I love all of their epics but ItPoE, IT, SDoIT, ACoS, and TCoT simply can't compete with the greatness of 8VM. IMO, it's the greatest song ever written.

I wouldn't go that far but I definitely think it's the best Dream Theater song - with Lines In The Sand a close second.

Stop reading my diary.

Your secret is safe with me. I won't tell anyone you have a massive crush on Hef.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 11, 2015, 10:42:19 AM
Passionate love hardly qualifies as a crush.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 11, 2015, 11:01:35 AM
As one of the resident IT lovers here, I just have to say that if the snare sound is enough for you to not appreciate the single best drumming composition in a DT song, I would say that you really are just predisposed not to like it from the start.

**puts stick in cage**

Metropolis, Pt. 1 has the single best drumming composition in a DT song.
Actually, I don't think much of most of the drumming composition in most of the DT songs.  There is certainly a lot of cool playing (such as in Metropolis Pt. 1), but in real composing of drum parts, as a craft unto itself, I'm not crazy about a lot of it, despite my admiration of the drummers involved.

I think IT is an exceptional drum composition.

IMHO, MP's best DT drum composition is perhaps The Great Debate (although I don't actually like the song itself all that much).

I think MP's best compositions were always with outside projects (LTE, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc) rather than within the boundaries of DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 11, 2015, 01:35:56 PM
The discussion topics in this thread are so random. I think I now understand why our attempts to revive the DT-side chat thread failed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 11, 2015, 01:59:20 PM
The discussion topics in this thread are so random. I think I now understand why our attempts to revive the DT-side chat thread failed.
Yeah... we're not the best at sticking to thread titles.  :-\
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Crow on September 11, 2015, 02:15:37 PM
who's ready for DT to release a djent record? i know i am

terrified of the prospect and hope that's not the case
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Bertielee on September 11, 2015, 02:26:42 PM
who's ready for DT to release a djent record? i know i am

terrified of the prospect and hope that's not the case

So am I!

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 11, 2015, 02:58:13 PM
OH FUCK NO.

I cannot stand Tech/Djent/Mathcore whatever the fuck you wanna call it.

Just one string for the entire song with constant arpeggios underneath. YUK. :puke:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 11, 2015, 03:03:26 PM
OH FUCK NO.

I cannot stand Tech/Djent/Mathcore whatever the fuck you wanna call it.

Just one string for the entire song with constant arpeggios underneath. YUK. :puke:
Good thing djent isn't defined that way then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 11, 2015, 03:04:06 PM
Quote
whatever the fuck you wanna call it.


 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on September 11, 2015, 05:34:10 PM
As one of the resident IT lovers here, I just have to say that if the snare sound is enough for you to not appreciate the single best drumming composition in a DT song, I would say that you really are just predisposed not to like it from the start.

**puts stick in cage**

Metropolis, Pt. 1 has the single best drumming composition in a DT song.
Actually, I don't think much of most of the drumming composition in most of the DT songs.  There is certainly a lot of cool playing (such as in Metropolis Pt. 1), but in real composing of drum parts, as a craft unto itself, I'm not crazy about a lot of it, despite my admiration of the drummers involved.

I think IT is an exceptional drum composition.

IMHO, MP's best DT drum composition is perhaps The Great Debate (although I don't actually like the song itself all that much).

I think MP's best compositions were always with outside projects (LTE, Transatlantic, Neal Morse, etc) rather than within the boundaries of DT.

I think Metropolis Pt. 1 has a good drum composition, but it's not at the level of IT where the drumming parts highlight the rhythms, the other instruments, has a variety of techniques, and has subtle complexities like polyrhythms, four limb independence (that intro!), one hand drum rolls that are purposive, bursts of speed, etc. The melodic drumming is also good, going up and down and midrange in a scale the way marching band drums are played melodically. The only thing missing is a Xanadu-like use of percussion, which is one of MM's dreams. Maybe we'll see something like that in the next album.

For me, the best MP drum composition in a single song is Trial of Tears. It's a smorgasbord of catchy drum patterns, with each pattern giving the different sections a different character. And the drum fills are great (one aspect that MP has been better than MM so far in DT songs). Some other faves of mine among MP drum compositions are The Mirror, Scarred and LITS. Awake and FII has amazing drum compositions.TGD is also great but I see it more as a fill-fest than a showcase of drum composition.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: 425 on September 11, 2015, 06:00:36 PM
To be totally candid, I am not a drumming person at all. I mean, I don't know much (anything) about music theory as is, and drums are the instrument I pay least attention to. I haven't really thought about what drum compositions I would qualitatively rank as the best. I said that for two reasons: 1) I know erwinrafael is very passionate about the drumming on IT and wanted to poke a little fun and 2) In all honesty, Metropolis is the Dream Theater song on which I notice the drumming most and think "wow, this is really impressive."

Erwinrafael, while I have no doubt that Mangini does a lot of interesting and subtle stuff in his drumming, I must say honestly that I don't have that feeling towards any of his songs. All the DT songs where the drumming sticks out to me are MP. Which should not be taken that seriously or harshly by Mangini and his fans, because it's rare that I pay attention to the drumming, and there are plenty of drummers who I know are great but also I never notice. Portnoy is more of an exception than a rule.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on September 11, 2015, 06:59:35 PM
Yeah, it's pretty easy to understand MP's appeal because he plays with a lot of flash, with a lot of air drummable fills. MM on the other hand plays drums a lot like how they are played in an orchestra. It melds into the background and most of the time enhances what the other instruments are doing.

425, try to listen to the Paradox of Black Light part of IT. It's not very flashy, but when you pay attention, you wpuld notice that there are four drum patterns being played simultaneously. If you listen with headphones, you will hear a very loud china cymbal playing the downbeat somewhere in the "back". That's MM's left hand. Then you hear some cymbals playing counter patterns and highlights on the upbeat. That's MM's right hand. Then you hear a hi-hat playing sixteenth notes, going chikichikichikichiki.  That's MM's right foot. And then finally the bass and snare playing the rhythm to support the main melody. That's MM's left foot and right hand. Each pattern adds texture and it takes composition skills to think that you can play all of these patterns simultaneously.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: fischermasamune on September 11, 2015, 08:08:01 PM
425, try to listen to the Paradox of Black Light part of IT. It's not very flashy, but when you pay attention, you wpuld notice that there are four drum patterns being played simultaneously. If you listen with headphones, you will hear a very loud china cymbal playing the downbeat somewhere in the "back". That's MM's left hand. Then you hear some cymbals playing counter patterns and highlights on the upbeat. That's MM's right hand. Then you hear a hi-hat playing sixteenth notes, going chikichikichikichiki.  That's MM's right foot. And then finally the bass and snare playing the rhythm to support the main melody. That's MM's left foot and right hand. Each pattern adds texture and it takes composition skills to think that you can play all of these patterns simultaneously.
Is it the part starting at 0:28? I tried different timestamps and was never sure I was hearing it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: erwinrafael on September 11, 2015, 09:18:11 PM
Yes, that's it. Try to hear first that loud cymbal hitting the downbeat and notice how it's playing continuously the whole movement. Then play it again and listen at all the other patterns playing at the same time.

Then following the "verse change", MM reverses hands. You know hear a different pitched cymbal playing the downbeat playing in the left speaker, which means MM is now playing the downbeat with his right hand. The shift to a different pitched cymbal corresponds to the shift in the melody of the other instruments. Then it goes back to the initial pattern when the other instruments return to the main melody.

Following the mirror structure of the song, MM returns to a variation of this pattern in the outro, particularly after JP hit the climactic note.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Crow on September 11, 2015, 09:36:57 PM
djent as a genre has been really wearing on me lately, it's all incredibly samey and when you've heard like two or three bands you've heard them all, a few exceptions but not many  :lol

i don't imagine a DT djent record would be very good, though they could probably add some flavor to it at least???
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: pcs90 on September 11, 2015, 10:44:43 PM
Yes, that's it. Try to hear first that loud cymbal hitting the downbeat and notice how it's playing continuously the whole movement. Then play it again and listen at all the other patterns playing at the same time.

Then following the "verse change", MM reverses hands. You know hear a different pitched cymbal playing the downbeat playing in the left speaker, which means MM is now playing the downbeat with his right hand. The shift to a different pitched cymbal corresponds to the shift in the melody of the other instruments. Then it goes back to the initial pattern when the other instruments return to the main melody.

Following the mirror structure of the song, MM returns to a variation of this pattern in the outro, particularly after JP hit the climactic note.

Exactly. MM's drumming is so well thought out and fits the songs so well. If you really take the time to listen to every rhythm and extract all the different parts, it really is incredible.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 12, 2015, 12:49:07 AM
djent as a genre has been really wearing on me lately, it's all incredibly samey and when you've heard like two or three bands you've heard them all, a few exceptions but not many  :lol

i don't imagine a DT djent record would be very good, though they could probably add some flavor to it at least???

Yeah, I'm pretty sure DT would not be able to pull of an all out djent album, which is not at all what I would want them to try. But I know that to have some small djenty influences in more standard prog can be really cool. Haken is doing it lately, and it sounds great.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 12, 2015, 01:23:17 AM
djent as a genre has been really wearing on me lately, it's all incredibly samey and when you've heard like two or three bands you've heard them all, a few exceptions but not many  :lol



Yep. My bro has to listen to a lot of them for his work and they really do all sound pretty much the same.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 12, 2015, 02:26:42 AM
djent as a genre has been really wearing on me lately, it's all incredibly samey and when you've heard like two or three bands you've heard them all, a few exceptions but not many  :lol



Yep. My bro has to listen to a lot of them for his work and they really do all sound pretty much the same.
That has nothing to do with the genre and all to do with the fact that there are lots of bands who aren't very good. The same could be said about any genre (and often is said about prog metal, for example).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 12, 2015, 02:28:03 AM
There is an ocean of bad djent bands out there that all sound about the same. The good ones are the ones that stand out and do their own thing. Just like there is an ocean of boring regular prog bands who all sound exactly the same. 90% of everything is crap, you just have to find the 10% that are good.

ninja'd by ariich
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 12, 2015, 05:22:26 AM
There is an ocean of bad djent bands out there that all sound about the same. The good ones are the ones that stand out and do their own thing. Just like there is an ocean of boring regular prog bands who all sound exactly the same. 90% of everything is crap, you just have to find the 10% that are good.

ninja's by ariich
o/
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 12, 2015, 06:12:54 AM
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Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Progressive Metal Fusion on September 12, 2015, 07:52:16 AM
That has nothing to do with the genre and all to do with the fact that there are lots of bands who aren't very good. The same could be said about any genre (and often is said about prog metal, for example).

There is an ocean of bad djent bands out there that all sound about the same. The good ones are the ones that stand out and do their own thing. Just like there is an ocean of boring regular prog bands who all sound exactly the same. 90% of everything is crap, you just have to find the 10% that are good.

ninja'd by ariich


Yeah, I'm pretty sure DT would not be able to pull of an all out djent album, which is not at all what I would want them to try. But I know that to have some small djenty influences in more standard prog can be really cool. Haken is doing it lately, and it sounds great.

I completely agree with you ariich and BlackInk.
Djenty riffs are cool, and if used in the right way, they can bring a lot of "power" into a song or section.
Like everything in the music, it's just a matter of balance.

If you look at what Haken did in their last album, or for example Animal As Leaders, TesseracT, or Periphery, if you don't overload songs with too many djenty stuff, a song can be powerful but at the same time breathe without being overly heavy and cause you headache.

I personally think that DT's flavor with some djent riffs could bring in something really interesting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 12, 2015, 08:05:50 AM
If DT had one song on the new album which had a djenty section - that would be really cool if it was like for 4 - 16 bars for example.

I think the best riffs are the ones that you throw away for one section and everyone goes :o wow that part should be longer.

Instead of ::) yeah yeah 4 minutes of the same riff I get it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on September 12, 2015, 08:35:26 AM
I think the best riffs are the ones that you throw away for one section and everyone goes :o wow that part should be longer.
That's a perfect summary of TGP.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Siddhartha on September 12, 2015, 10:41:27 AM
What is djent?  ???
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 12, 2015, 10:43:41 AM
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Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 12, 2015, 11:59:17 AM
What is djent?  ???

A bit difficult to explain these days. I'd say it's a sub-genre of progressive metal that focuses a bit more on rhythmically complex and polyrhythmic ideas, while still maintaining a clear groove instead of having it be as head on "confusing" as regular prog can be for some.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 12, 2015, 04:30:06 PM
What is djent?  ???

A bit difficult to explain these days. I'd say it's a sub-genre of progressive metal that focuses a bit more on rhythmically complex and polyrhythmic ideas, while still maintaining a clear groove instead of having it be as head on "confusing" as regular prog can be for some.

That's actually a great description. I feel like describing djent to someone that way would make them want to listen to that genre.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Sacul on September 12, 2015, 05:49:52 PM
All you need to know about djent is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psDZdQKgzoE).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Siddhartha on September 12, 2015, 06:30:37 PM
All you need to know about djent is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psDZdQKgzoE).

Hey, I like that.  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on September 12, 2015, 09:13:03 PM
All you need to know about djent is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psDZdQKgzoE).

Hey, I like that.  :tup

Seconded. That was pretty awesome. I can understand how the genre might get samey after a while, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 13, 2015, 03:21:37 AM
Seconded. That was pretty awesome. I can understand how the genre might get samey after a while, though.
Wouldn't any genre if that was all you listened to?

EDIT: And actually I'm not even sure it's right to call "djent" a genre is it? It's a style of writing/playing, but that doesn't really define it as a genre. As others have pointed out, it gets used within prog metal quite a lot. If a band ONLY uses djent riffs and nothing else then that's probably just not a very good band, like a prog metal band only using the same styles in every song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 13, 2015, 08:51:23 AM
I usually say djent is a genre. It wasn't at first, but that's pretty much what it has become by now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 13, 2015, 11:05:47 AM
I'm with Ariich, Djent is a style much the same way Rap is a style.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 13, 2015, 11:56:46 AM
I'm with Ariich, Djent is a style much the same way Rap is a style.


I agree.



Both are dreadful.  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Sacul on September 13, 2015, 12:08:10 PM
Well rap isn't considered a musical genre so maybe that comparision doesn't really work  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 13, 2015, 01:44:32 PM
Well rap isn't considered a musical genre so maybe that comparision doesn't really work  :P
I would agree
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on September 13, 2015, 01:49:13 PM
Well rap isn't considered a musical genre so maybe that comparision doesn't really work  :P

???
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CDrice on September 13, 2015, 01:59:56 PM
Well rap isn't considered a musical genre so maybe that comparision doesn't really work  :P

???

I think he means that rap is supposed to be a vocal delivery technique. The musical genre that we refer as rap should be hip-hop. At least that's what I think he means...

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Sacul on September 13, 2015, 02:03:20 PM
Well rap isn't considered a musical genre so maybe that comparision doesn't really work  :P

 ???

I think he means that rap is supposed to be a vocal delivery technique. The musical genre that we refer as rap would be hip-hop. At least that's what I think he means...
Exactly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 13, 2015, 02:06:53 PM
Well rap isn't considered a musical genre so maybe that comparision doesn't really work  :P

???

I think he means that rap is supposed to be a vocal delivery technique. The musical genre that we refer as rap would be hip-hop. At least that's what I think he means...

Hit the nail on point. I've heard people calling Hip-Hop Rap, but Rap is the style most dominate in Hip-Hop, much like beat-boxing.

On topic: I wouldn't mind some djenty moments.

Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 13, 2015, 02:09:34 PM
I'm with Ariich, Djent is a style much the same way Rap is a style.

Yes, that's what djent used to be, where it came from, but over the past few years it had really grown into its own genre. So rather than saying "progressive technical groove metal band" you can just say "djent band" and people will know what you mean.

But then again, there are those who only uses small djent influences, like Haken, who I would not at all call a "djent band". And then the bands like TesseracT, who I absolutely would call that, so granted, it's pretty difficult thing to define.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 13, 2015, 02:51:03 PM
So rather than saying "progressive technical groove metal band" you can just say "djent band" and people will know what you mean.
Unfortunately that doesn't really work though, because in reality lots of people react like Kotow in thinking that you mean a band where every song is like that (and obviously bands like that exist, but again that's the same for any style).
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 06:56:11 AM
The thing with Djent is that it gets old really fast.  Like that video Lucas posted, its awesome for a one off listen, but as soon as you start sampling other bands from the genre you realise how one dimensional it is. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 14, 2015, 07:19:31 AM
The thing with Djent is that it gets old really fast.  Like that video Lucas posted, its awesome for a one off listen, but as soon as you start sampling other bands from the genre you realise how one dimensional it is. 
Again, it isn't, because it isn't a genre.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 07:24:39 AM
Of course it is.  There are enough bands around doing that kind of thing for it to be considered a genre.

People would've been arguing the same thing about 'Heavy Metal' back in the day.  "Its not heavy metal, its ____". 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 14, 2015, 07:57:53 AM
Of course it is.  There are enough bands around doing that kind of thing for it to be considered a genre.

People would've been arguing the same thing about 'Heavy Metal' back in the day.  "Its not heavy metal, its ____".

Shcrew you Guysh ! Itsh not Heavy Metal. It's Progresshive Death FunkCore !!! :angry: Jeeeezshe ! I need a Pepto Bishmol !!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 07:58:46 AM
... yes.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 14, 2015, 08:03:04 AM
:angry:

PEPTO.



BISHMOL
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 14, 2015, 12:28:16 PM
It's no more a genre than palm-mute is a genre. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 14, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
:angry:

Oh is that so ?

Well i'll have you know that my band is x_Extreme_Palm_Mute_Death_Core_x

Our slogan is " We are Extreme Palm Mute Death Core. Everyone else is Medio Core " .  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: ariich on September 14, 2015, 02:18:42 PM
:lol Nice.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: King Postwhore on September 14, 2015, 02:44:16 PM
I'd love to palm mute you.

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TAC on September 14, 2015, 03:02:56 PM
This thread sucks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on September 14, 2015, 03:10:28 PM
This thread sucks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: The Stray Seed on September 14, 2015, 03:26:11 PM
Dream Theater has created the actual trend of progressive metal in the first place.
The last thing that I would like to see now is them following the present day prog metal trend.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 14, 2015, 03:26:23 PM
Like a Nuclear Powered Dyson ! :neverusethis:


It requires 1.21 Gigawatts !
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 03:54:18 PM
It's no more a genre than palm-mute is a genre. :P

No waaaaay.  Djent-ing isn't a guitar technique, so that comparison doesn't make sense.  I think it's valid term for the subgenre of Progressive Metal that does all that stupid djenty shit.  It's a term that describes a sound that has morphed into the name of the genre, just like 'heavy metal' as a descriptor for a certain kind of music became the genre of Heavy Metal.  Bands don't want to be associated with Djent because its stupid.  "nah, we're progressive metal' - no you're not you're djent wanking all over the place mate.

Anywhoo, hows that new Dream Theatre album coming along anyway?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 14, 2015, 03:55:21 PM
Quote from: sneakyblueberry
Anywhoo, hows that new Dream Theatre album coming along anyway?


I hear it's going to rrrraaaaawwwwwwwwwkkkkkk  :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 03:57:04 PM
I just wish they'd throw their fans a freaking bone so we don't have to argue the merits of Djentism in a thread dedicated to the new DT album. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 14, 2015, 03:59:34 PM
tl;dr :


• No New DT album

• No Djent on New DT album, please

• Djent sucks.


Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 14, 2015, 04:01:31 PM
So basically, 92 pages and all we know is shit we already knew. 

Goddammit. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 14, 2015, 04:03:55 PM
Not quite.


92 pages and now we know shit we only allegedly knew before.


Dag Nabbit !
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on September 14, 2015, 04:40:37 PM
well we know the sound will be different, and that this album will be pretty different in general

maybe
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Train of Naught on September 14, 2015, 04:43:29 PM
And according to James the vocals are coming out amazing, so we can go ahead and confirm that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: pcs90 on September 14, 2015, 04:48:05 PM
There was a Korg demo video from earlier in the year and Jordan had mentioned that he was using a harp sound somewhere on the new album, and played a demo of the patch (not the part on the album though)...that doesn't exactly help a lot but it's something.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: CDrice on September 14, 2015, 04:48:31 PM
Well I know for a fact that the album got cancelled because while they were in the studio John recorded the fastest guitar solo ever known to mankind. However this created an unbalance in the space-time continuum and John reverted back to his baby form.

The other guys then asked Mike if they could wish him back to his adult form with the help of his genie powers. He said that it would be possible, but since we're talking about John Petrucci he would need to channel Jordan wizard's power to increase his magical abilities to a sufficient level. This plan unfortunately failed as the spell fizzled, draining all of Jordan's power and turning Mike into a tambourine.

James and Jordan then realized that, in the chaos, John Myung swiftly fled with baby John. He only left a note saying: ''...''. They both understood that Myung had brought baby John to his secret ninja training ground to raise him as a ninja for the next few decades. Seeing as the band was basically over at this point, James offered the Jordan a place amongst his pirate crew. They were last seen riding a forklift towards Canada, with James rocking a tambourine in 19/16 over a bar of 7/8.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: SuperTaco on September 14, 2015, 05:32:50 PM
Well I know for a fact that the album got cancelled because while they were in the studio John recorded the fastest guitar solo ever known to mankind. However this created an unbalance in the space-time continuum and John reverted back to his baby form.

The other guys then asked Mike if they could wish him back to his adult form with the help of his genie powers. He said that it would be possible, but since we're talking about John Petrucci he would need to channel Jordan wizard's power to increase his magical abilities to a sufficient level. This plan unfortunately failed as the spell fizzled, draining all of Jordan's power and turning Mike into a tambourine.

James and Jordan then realized that, in the chaos, John Myung swiftly fled with baby John. He only left a note saying: ''...''. They both understood that Myung had brought baby John to his secret ninja training ground to raise him as a ninja for the next few decades. Seeing as the band was basically over at this point, James offered the Jordan a place amongst his pirate crew. They were last seen riding a forklift towards Canada, with James rocking a tambourine in 19/16 over a bar of 7/8.

u wot m8
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 14, 2015, 05:36:17 PM
OMFG THATS IT

" something we havent done before. to ground ourselves. an album we needed to make "



CONFIRMED !!!!!!


Whole album in 4/4 !!!!!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 14, 2015, 05:39:40 PM
AN ALBUM WITH NO BASS !!!




( on purpose this time )
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 14, 2015, 06:12:18 PM
Well I know for a fact that the album got cancelled because while they were in the studio John recorded the fastest guitar solo ever known to mankind. However this created an unbalance in the space-time continuum and John reverted back to his baby form.

The other guys then asked Mike if they could wish him back to his adult form with the help of his genie powers. He said that it would be possible, but since we're talking about John Petrucci he would need to channel Jordan wizard's power to increase his magical abilities to a sufficient level. This plan unfortunately failed as the spell fizzled, draining all of Jordan's power and turning Mike into a tambourine.

James and Jordan then realized that, in the chaos, John Myung swiftly fled with baby John. He only left a note saying: ''...''. They both understood that Myung had brought baby John to his secret ninja training ground to raise him as a ninja for the next few decades. Seeing as the band was basically over at this point, James offered the Jordan a place amongst his pirate crew. They were last seen riding a forklift towards Canada, with James rocking a tambourine in 19/16 over a bar of 7/8.

(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_10183_1435260182.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Sacul on September 14, 2015, 07:37:37 PM
The thing with Djent is that it gets old really fast.  Like that video Lucas posted, its awesome for a one off listen, but as soon as you start sampling other bands from the genre you realise how one dimensional it is.
Maybe you didn't really listen to it - djent doesn't get any more creative than that. Seriously.  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Rodni Demental on September 14, 2015, 08:11:45 PM
It's no more a genre than palm-mute is a genre. :P

No waaaaay.  Djent-ing isn't a guitar technique, so that comparison doesn't make sense.  I think it's valid term for the subgenre of Progressive Metal that does all that stupid djenty shit.  It's a term that describes a sound that has morphed into the name of the genre, just like 'heavy metal' as a descriptor for a certain kind of music became the genre of Heavy Metal.  Bands don't want to be associated with Djent because its stupid.  "nah, we're progressive metal' - no you're not you're djent wanking all over the place mate.

Anywhoo, hows that new Dream Theatre album coming along anyway?

Well sorry to bring this up again but just wanted to throw my opinion into the mix. :P
I would argue that Djent is as much a genre as it is a guitar technique at this point. I mean, the word Djent in itself is even an onomatopoeia for the sound the guitar makes. That's something we can call a guitar technique. But the style has actually become big enough to represent a generalised description of a type of music now too, which is all a genre is. Genres aren't supposed to be just for categorising songs (in many cases there are limitations to this anyway), and they certainly don't define the music. They're supposed to describe them or represent/symbolise an aspect of what you could expect.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Darkstarshades on September 14, 2015, 08:25:58 PM
The new album is obviously reggae oriented.
It's done, but they're so ashamed of it that they're thinking on realasing it or writting an entierly different album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: fischermasamune on September 14, 2015, 09:24:02 PM
Is Afterlife's intro considered djent?
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 14, 2015, 10:03:39 PM
Is Afterlife's intro considered djent?

I just think of that as kinda thrashy/metal, inspired by the 80s bands they liked.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 14, 2015, 10:41:08 PM
I think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Rodni Demental on September 14, 2015, 11:49:15 PM
Is Afterlife's intro considered djent?

Hmm... With a more modern tone like The Enemy Inside, I could imagine Afterlife's intro sounding djenty. Far too old to be considered that though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: AboutToCrash on September 15, 2015, 01:26:57 AM
back to the original topic; What do you think he meant by 'A huge undertaking'?. What could that mean? Possibly a concept album because they are incredibly difficult to write/tie all themes up/flow. I think most peoples assumptions are a double disc or concept album or even a double disc concept album. I can't wait for more news.... Roll on October/November!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 15, 2015, 01:41:05 AM
Concept album is the first thing that came to mind when I read that part.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 03:09:17 AM
I think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.

I'd say the intro to The Mirror is proto-djent... but not really.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlackInk on September 15, 2015, 04:27:45 AM
back to the original topic; What do you think he meant by 'A huge undertaking'?. What could that mean?

Collab with Skrillex
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2015, 04:46:06 AM
#1. Skrillex went to the hairdressers for a £20 haircut. But he only had £10 :neverusethis:


#2. Skrillex went to the hairdressers and they had an offer on : " 50% off " :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 04:48:51 AM
back to the original topic; What do you think he meant by 'A huge undertaking'?. What could that mean?

A Dramatic Turn of D-jents
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on September 15, 2015, 05:17:00 AM
Ladies And Djentlemen.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 15, 2015, 05:19:03 AM
When Dream and Djent Unite
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 05:21:32 AM
The Djent Eternal Night
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Mladen on September 15, 2015, 05:44:25 AM
Imadjents and words
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: YtseJamittaja on September 15, 2015, 06:14:10 AM
Falling Into Polyrhytm Infinity.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: JediKnight1969 on September 15, 2015, 06:18:37 AM
Time to rename the band "Djent Theater".
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Rodni Demental on September 15, 2015, 08:44:59 AM
Based on the info so far, we may have figured out what they're doing for the new album...

6 Degrees of infinite Djent:
 1. The Djent Prison
 2. Blind Djentage
 3. Misunderstood Djent
 4. The Great Djent Debate
 5. Please Disappear Djent (just kidding)
 6. I: Djent Overture
   II: About to Djent Again 
  III: Djent Inside My Head (that won't stop)
   IV: The Djent that Djented Them All (djent)
    V: Djent Kiss
   VI: Solitary Djenting (extended djent solo)
  VII: About To Djent All Over Again (djent reprise)
 VIII: Loosing Djent...
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Cedar redaC on September 15, 2015, 09:02:28 AM
Djent inside this Djentavarium!
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Lucien on September 15, 2015, 09:33:03 AM
This thread sucks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Zydar on September 15, 2015, 09:54:12 AM
:lol Pretty much.
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 15, 2015, 10:27:06 AM
Someone scream for me when there's news, rather than just djent theater...
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 15, 2015, 11:12:23 AM
Thread retitled for accuracy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Cool Chris on September 15, 2015, 11:19:59 AM
What the fuck is djent? I swear I've never seen or heard that word before reading it in this thread.

Off to Wikipedia....
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 15, 2015, 11:27:46 AM
What the fuck is djent? I swear I've never seen or heard that word before reading it in this thread.

Off to Wikipedia....
You and I are too old to understand the need for a new term.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 15, 2015, 11:27:54 AM
What the fuck is djent? I swear I've never seen or heard that word before reading it in this thread.

Off to Wikipedia....
I can't tell if you're serious or not... Would sarcasm green come in useful here?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 15, 2015, 11:52:25 AM
What the fuck is djent? I swear I've never seen or heard that word before reading it in this thread.

Off to Wikipedia....
I can't tell if you're serious or not... Would sarcasm green come in useful here?
He's serious.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2015, 12:07:42 PM
What the fuck is djent? I swear I've never seen or heard that word before reading it in this thread.

Off to Wikipedia....
I can't tell if you're serious or not... Would sarcasm green come in useful here?
He's serious.

And not really wrong, either.  Is it just me, or do the best bands in history just play rock, and not worry about unpronounceable labels?   With very few exceptions most of the greatest bands in history cross multiple genres and styles, and reside solely in none.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: BlackInk on September 15, 2015, 12:48:58 PM
^ I don't quite get what you're trying to say with that. I mean, yeah?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2015, 12:51:32 PM
My least favourite thing about that whole genre is the drummer in each band plays basically a drum solo through every song.

If you watch " play thru " or " drum covers " of some of these bands - it's basically one long drum fill.

I much prefer it when they have a steady groove going.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2015, 01:35:48 PM
What the fuck is djent? I swear I've never seen or heard that word before reading it in this thread.

Off to Wikipedia....
I can't tell if you're serious or not... Would sarcasm green come in useful here?
He's serious.

So am I, never heard of it before reading this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: RoeDent on September 15, 2015, 02:00:32 PM
Just wait until djent is even further broken down. Progressive djent, death djent, post-djent. I can see it now.

(Dream Theater. Just thought I'd mention that to try and keep this post on-topic.)
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2015, 02:01:25 PM
The Count Of Tuscany Part 2 : Bearded Djentleman.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Onno on September 15, 2015, 02:12:07 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: jonnybaxy on September 15, 2015, 02:38:25 PM
Djent = Periphery...


Now that's sorted, Lets talk crap about something else that will also mean nothing....

Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Sacul on September 15, 2015, 02:41:48 PM
(https://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/0514mishpet.jpg)

j0hn p0tr0c11
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: ariich on September 15, 2015, 02:45:18 PM
Djent = Periphery...
That can't be right, they don't do the various things that Kotow and others seem convinced that "all djent bands" do.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2015, 02:47:14 PM
Djent = Periphery...
That can't be right, they don't do the various things that Kotow and others seem convinced that "all djent bands" do.

Are you telling me they don't have one song where it's constant arpeggios under the vocals ? And awkward guitar rhythms and busy drums ?

I shall have to check them out in that case ! ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Progressive Metal Fusion on September 15, 2015, 02:48:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkl7CiCghVI&feature=youtu.be that's the official TesseracT new album stream. I decided to post it because I think that now is quite in topic :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2015, 03:01:26 PM
DT needs to give news for the sake of this thread.  Even if its "the music will be like chocolate cake" or whatever. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2015, 03:18:53 PM
Quote
John Petrucci @JohnPetrucci 5m

This new album will be like Victoria Sponge.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Onno on September 15, 2015, 03:25:38 PM
How about a Shepherd's Pie record?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: cramx3 on September 15, 2015, 03:29:48 PM
How about a Shepherd's Pie record?

Too corny.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 03:43:49 PM
I just read on BLABBERMOUTH that John Petrucci is filling in guitar duties for Periphery after the untimely death of their current guitarist.  Apparently it's just for the recording of this album and subsequent tour, but recent reports show JP sporting a Periphery logo tattoo on his right calf, so we'll see where this goes.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: rumborak on September 15, 2015, 04:27:12 PM
If they make it another two weeks, it will have been a whole year without any public release.

You can do it, DT!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 15, 2015, 04:36:36 PM
No Press Release ?  :eek


This Would Never Have Happened Under Portnoy ! :angry:
Title: Re: Dream Theater was allegedly in the Studio February - To Be Continued
Post by: Crow on September 15, 2015, 06:23:33 PM
I think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.

I'd say the intro to The Mirror is proto-djent... but not really.
what the heck, no it isn't, it's just heavy chords   :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 15, 2015, 06:49:09 PM
I think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.

I'd say the intro to The Mirror is proto-djent... but not really.
what the heck, no it isn't, it's just heavy chords   :rollin

if you were to type it out what would it look like Parama???

DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT

srsly tho, heavy palm muted chords is the basis of djent so...

Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Calvin6s on September 15, 2015, 06:54:26 PM
Djent and grunge.  We know they exist, but application seems to be a constant debate.

For the record, I'm not even 100% what djent is.  Every time somebody claims they've defined it, somebody else challenges them.  How did we get to djent in this thread?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Darkstarshades on September 15, 2015, 09:01:15 PM
Isn't Honor Thy Father pretty djenty?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Calvin6s on September 15, 2015, 10:45:18 PM
It all comes down to whether or not the djent floor pedal was in or out of the signal chain.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 16, 2015, 12:56:24 AM
No Press Release ?  :eek


This Would Never Have Happened Under Portnoy ! :angry:

Don't You Just Hate It When Posts Are Typed With Capitals At The Beginning Of Each Word Despite There Being No Reason To Do So?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Moor on September 16, 2015, 01:37:35 AM
Interview: Dream Theater’s John Petrucci Gives Update from the Studio
https://www.revolvermag.com/news/interview-dream-theaters-john-petrucci-gives-update-from-the-studio.html

Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 16, 2015, 01:44:52 AM
TL;DR version - “it’s really too early for us to be revealing anything" - JP

More nothing. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 16, 2015, 01:46:10 AM
TL;DR version - “it’s really too early for us to be revealing anything" - JP

More nothing. :lol
Ha! Beat me to it! Yeah, that was an article that said a whole lot about nothing at all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Moor on September 16, 2015, 02:20:37 AM
"The new album will be a further progression of the band’s creative identity"

Fair enough  :biggrin: :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: rumborak on September 16, 2015, 07:04:43 AM
Quote from: John Petrucci
This album will be significantly different from the previous. We have gone to great lengths to not just rerecord the same songs, even though, there were moments that were close. Several times we had a "wait, isn't that..." moment. The thing that usually keyed us in was James starting to sing the lyrics already. Since James doesn't write lyrics, we knew something was up.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 16, 2015, 07:55:11 AM
No Press Release ?  :eek


This Would Never Have Happened Under Portnoy ! :angry:

Don't You Just Hate It When Posts Are Typed With Capitals At The Beginning Of Each Word Despite There Being No Reason To Do So?


Quote from: hefdaddy42
No
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 16, 2015, 08:03:20 AM
John Petrucci : " Y'know. We really set out this time to do something we hadn't really done before and we actually recorded the album twice.

We finished it and we were all of us in the mastering suite and I suddenly slapped myself in the face.

I suddenly just realised that the album was absolutely filled with guitars bass and drums and vocals. So we had to literally scrap the entire album and start over. "
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: emtee on September 16, 2015, 09:25:07 AM
Quote from: John Petrucci
This album will be significantly different from the previous. We have gone to great lengths to not just rerecord the same songs, even though, there were moments that were close. Several times we had a "wait, isn't that..." moment. The thing that usually keyed us in was James starting to sing the lyrics already. Since James doesn't write lyrics, we knew something was up.

I've read this 3 times and I still don't really understand what he is trying to say about James and the vocals/lyrics. I'm lost.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: BlackInk on September 16, 2015, 09:26:37 AM
Yeah I don't quite get it either.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: rumborak on September 16, 2015, 09:32:59 AM
You guys realize that was a joke post, right?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 16, 2015, 09:33:52 AM
:lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: BlackInk on September 16, 2015, 09:57:07 AM
You guys realize that was a joke post, right?

... Well, I do now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: emtee on September 16, 2015, 09:59:48 AM
D'oh
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 16, 2015, 10:04:31 AM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 16, 2015, 10:40:57 AM
This sucks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 16, 2015, 11:26:52 AM
again... yeah. we know.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: ReaPsTA on September 16, 2015, 12:45:24 PM
They're taking their time so they can put out something interesting. I'm fine with this. The album only comes out once. If it comes out and is really interesting, we'll all be glad we waited for it instead of something rushed out.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Sacul on September 16, 2015, 01:38:04 PM
I think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.

I'd say the intro to The Mirror is proto-djent... but not really.
what the heck, no it isn't, it's just heavy chords   :rollin

if you were to type it out what would it look like Parama???

DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT

srsly tho, heavy palm muted chords is the basis of djent so...
You forgot about polyrhythms, so it'd more like this:

DJENT DJENT, D-D-D-DJENT DJENT, DJENT, DJENT DJENT
D-D-DJENT DJENT, DJENT DJENT, D-D-D-D-DJENT


 :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Darkstarshades on September 16, 2015, 01:47:17 PM
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: pcs90 on September 16, 2015, 01:51:57 PM
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.
This is so accurate.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: King Postwhore on September 16, 2015, 02:19:10 PM
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.

One by one, you all look like a chicken leg and I'm getting hungry. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: jonnybaxy on September 16, 2015, 02:24:09 PM
If anyone needs me I'll be with Wilson.

(https://snd1.splashpress1.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/tom-hanks-wilson.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 16, 2015, 02:35:27 PM
At least we know it will be out Q1 2016.



Other bands have been giving release dates for the past 5 - 10 years...

Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: RoeDent on September 16, 2015, 03:31:03 PM
If we're looking at a February release (just as an example), we should certainly start getting info before November starts. Info for DT12 came in early June 2013, for a late-September release.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 16, 2015, 03:41:14 PM
They'll release all the info at once with the single on....christmas day.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 16, 2015, 03:42:51 PM
They'll release all the info at once with the single on....christmas day.

At 6:00.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: SuperTaco on September 16, 2015, 06:39:15 PM
They'll release all the info at once with the single on....christmas day.

At 6:00.

6:00PM. They're doing something different this time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: CDrice on September 16, 2015, 06:45:09 PM
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.

Judging from the previous post I've made a few pages back, I think I'm already way past that point  :lol

But more seriously, maybe they are planning to do some kind of documentary. Something like the making of the new album. That would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: ninja1125 on September 16, 2015, 07:27:10 PM
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.
That what seems to have happened in this thread
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 16, 2015, 07:38:52 PM
I think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.

I'd say the intro to The Mirror is proto-djent... but not really.
what the heck, no it isn't, it's just heavy chords   :rollin

if you were to type it out what would it look like Parama???

DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT

srsly tho, heavy palm muted chords is the basis of djent so...
You forgot about polyrhythms, so it'd more like this:

DJENT DJENT, D-D-D-DJENT DJENT, DJENT, DJENT DJENT
D-D-DJENT DJENT, DJENT DJENT, D-D-D-D-DJENT


 :P

Actually, if you say 'djent' out loud it actually kind of resembles to harsh chuggin' sound that defines the genre.

dJent dJent d dJent
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Sacul on September 16, 2015, 09:02:03 PM
How to be DJENT! (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDgQtwIwBWoVChMIro2YkYr9xwIVxYuQCh0L7QTR&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwfPOANlbyWw&usg=AFQjCNE58RPK6yN60Rc3rt5BpBBO4QuVLQ&sig2=Ev2TkoV2RjaCvYiI_D7Ciw)
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 16, 2015, 10:37:53 PM
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.

Judging from the previous post I've made a few pages back, I think I'm already way past that point  :lol

We all are, sir. We all are. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 16, 2015, 10:54:01 PM
I think the closest that they've come to djent is the into and out to to Raw Dog. Which may explain why a lot of people around here are so against them doing it again lol. If they had a section here or there with djent influences or even one song I would be all for it but I wouldn't want an entire album full of it.

I'd say the intro to The Mirror is proto-djent... but not really.
what the heck, no it isn't, it's just heavy chords   :rollin

if you were to type it out what would it look like Parama???

DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT
DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT - DJENT DJENT DJENT

srsly tho, heavy palm muted chords is the basis of djent so...
You forgot about polyrhythms, so it'd more like this:

DJENT DJENT, D-D-D-DJENT DJENT, DJENT, DJENT DJENT
D-D-DJENT DJENT, DJENT DJENT, D-D-D-D-DJENT


 :P

Actually, if you say 'djent' out loud it actually kind of resembles to harsh chuggin' sound that defines the genre.

dJent dJent d dJent

O RLY?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 17, 2015, 12:39:47 AM
The lack of DT related news in DTF is like a bunch of people trapped at an island with no food.
It'll slowly descend into chaos, before everyone goes utterly insane.

That's fairly accurate.  Haven't we gone insane yet at this point in the waiting game, though?

In comparison, if this forum is an island with no food, then the Alter Bridge Nation forum, I frequent, is a huge ghost town.  Deserted and silence.  Just waiting for some good news relating to the band, the forum is built on, to happen that does not revolve around any other projects but themselves.

I'm surprised I can keep my calmness and sanity with all of this waiting and being patient regarding my favorite bands.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Nihil-Morari on September 17, 2015, 03:58:53 AM
Well, to make matters worse. In the old scheme albums got released in September, right? And we'd get information 2-3 months before that, and a single a month before. There must be people over here with the exact dates, but to me that sounds about right.

If this record gets released in the first quarter of next year (possibly even later, but we'll gloss over that) so let's say March 2016, it is totally possible we won't hear anything until early 2016. So there is a real possibility that we'll be discussing JP's underpants until christmas.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Train of Naught on September 17, 2015, 04:05:29 AM
At least we know it will be out Q1 2016.



Other bands have been giving release dates for the past 5 - 10 years...



Man, I feel like a Tool saying this, but...


Ya mean Tool?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 17, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
At least we know it will be out Q1 2016.



Other bands have been giving release dates for the past 5 - 10 years...



Man, I feel like a Tool saying this, but...


Ya mean Tool?


:lol But Seriously. How many DT releases will have we had since 2006 ?

Score.
Systematic Chaos.
Chaos In Motion.
Black Clouds & Silver Linings.
A Dramatic Turn Of Events / The Spirit Carries On Doc...
Dream Theater.
Happy Holidays / Breaking The 4th Wall / Live at Luna Park
DT13

Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 17, 2015, 09:12:54 AM
Lets pretend Chaos in Loltion doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on September 17, 2015, 09:21:12 AM
:lol But Seriously. How many DT releases will have we had since 2006 ?

Score.
Systematic Chaos.
Chaos In Motion.
Black Clouds & Silver Linings.
A Dramatic Turn Of Events / The Spirit Carries On Doc...
Dream Theater.
Happy Holidays / Breaking The 4th Wall / Live at Luna Park
DT13

Also...
Awake / Falling Into Infinity / Train of Thought Demos
Old Bridge '96 / NYC '93
Dark Side / Made In Japan / Uncovered 2003-2005
Making of FII Re-release
A Walk Beside the Band / Romavarium / I&W 15th Anniversary Performance / Progressive Nation '08
Bucharest '02 DVD / Santiago '05 DVD
Raw Dog

Man. We had it good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 17, 2015, 10:29:51 AM
Lets pretend Chaos in Loltion doesn't exist.

Chaos in Lotion!!


CHAOS IN LOTION OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN !!!!!


:angry: Yeah i'd fuck me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: The Trooper on September 17, 2015, 10:57:23 AM
now put it in the f'n basket :smiley:
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Nest777 on September 17, 2015, 11:05:55 AM
Quote
Get excited @dreamtheaternet fan - pick up the latest @Revolvermag to see what's good with their new record!

https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/644540160022048768
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: mikeyd23 on September 17, 2015, 11:23:13 AM
Quote
Get excited @dreamtheaternet fan - pick up the latest @Revolvermag to see what's good with their new record!

https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/644540160022048768

Haha is that the same article that showed up in this thread that said basically nothing about the new album?!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 17, 2015, 11:47:14 AM
I don't understand the phrase " What's Good ? "
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 17, 2015, 11:58:47 AM
I don't understand the phrase " What's Good ? "
It means "we really have nothing, so we're gonna say something that sounds good so you'll buy it."
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: ? on September 17, 2015, 12:09:40 PM
To be fair, that interview was conducted during the summer tour, so it's not shocking that JP didn't really have anything to say yet. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Cedar redaC on September 17, 2015, 08:03:39 PM
How to be DJENT! (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDgQtwIwBWoVChMIro2YkYr9xwIVxYuQCh0L7QTR&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwfPOANlbyWw&usg=AFQjCNE58RPK6yN60Rc3rt5BpBBO4QuVLQ&sig2=Ev2TkoV2RjaCvYiI_D7Ciw)
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Crow on September 17, 2015, 08:15:37 PM
They're doing a collaborative album with Tool. The expected release date will always be at least three months ahead of the current date. It will never come out.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Mladen on September 18, 2015, 03:33:41 AM
Lets pretend Chaos in Loltion doesn't exist.
No way, that's one of their best DVD packages. Some of the material is a bit rough, but most of it is awesome.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 18, 2015, 06:56:28 AM
Lets pretend Chaos in Loltion doesn't exist.
No way, that's one of their best DVD packages. Some of the material is a bit rough, but most of it is awesome.  :metal
DOES NOT COMPUTE
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: GasparXR on September 18, 2015, 12:37:37 PM
Lets pretend Chaos in Loltion doesn't exist.
No way, that's one of their best DVD packages. Some of the material is a bit rough, but most of it is awesome.  :metal
DOES NOT COMPUTE

I will agree, but because of the non-live material. I think it's more than worth the purchase for the documentary and backstage stuff etc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Mladen on September 18, 2015, 02:42:45 PM
Yeah, the release is worth getting for the bonus footage alone. As for the live performances, they're great. LaBrie isn't in his best shape, and the production is hit-and-miss, but it's a collection of raw footage, it even says so on the package. It's great to have a DVD like that in the era where everything is overproduced and polished. It's weird how fans get excited about messy fan recordings on youtube, yet this feels unacceptable.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: cramx3 on September 18, 2015, 02:47:50 PM
Yeah, the release is worth getting for the bonus footage alone. As for the live performances, they're great. LaBrie isn't in his best shape, and the production is hit-and-miss, but it's a collection of raw footage, it even says so on the package. It's great to have a DVD like that in the era where everything is overproduced and polished. It's weird how fans get excited about messy fan recordings on youtube, yet this feels unacceptable.

Well one is by a fan in the audience for free and the other is a paid product put out by the band.  It's easily the worst DT DVD, but that's not to say it has no value.  The audio/video is terrible for most of the songs, but for a diehard, it is definitely cool and has a bunch of songs that aren't on other DT live releases.  And of course, the backstage footage and extras are great.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 19, 2015, 04:19:38 AM
It's weird how fans get excited about messy fan recordings on youtube, yet this feels unacceptable.
No it isn't.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: AboutToCrash on September 19, 2015, 11:42:24 AM
Rudess posted a video of him using that new seaboard keyboard.. Saying he was building a sound and preparing to play some seaboard lead in the upcoming album... Also stated it was out after the new year. Not much info but should generate 5-10 more pages of speculation  ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 19, 2015, 11:46:13 AM
Seabord ? See : "bored".
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Rodni Demental on September 19, 2015, 10:08:46 PM
Oh man, the Seaboard is awesome. I want one so bad but couldn't justify the price atm. I think he didn't use it enough on the last album. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 19, 2015, 10:19:21 PM
I almost forgot they were working on an album.


*almost*
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: pcs90 on September 19, 2015, 10:19:55 PM
I love the seaboard...I don't even play keyboard and I want one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Nihil-Morari on September 20, 2015, 05:07:14 AM
Oh man, the Seaboard is awesome. I want one so bad but couldn't justify the price atm. I think he didn't use it enough on the last album. :P

I've ordered a Seaboard Rise, much cheaper, same thing!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Train of Naught on September 20, 2015, 06:01:42 AM
Yea, I saw that Seaboard video on his Facebook, it sounded awesome, looking forward to the new album even more now!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: the keyboard wizard on September 22, 2015, 12:14:10 AM
Hey guys, you wanna debate over something really substantial ?
In his live report of the gig in Arles, Stéphane Auzilleau (creator of the former French Fan Club Your Majesty and reporter for the French Hard Rock magazine) said that the album was about to be a "rather special concept album"

Here's the article for those who understand French (click on the picture to get the full article) :

(https://img.xooimage.com/files110/e/2/3/dt-extract-4cd2922.png) (https://img.xooimage.com/files110/a/1/e/dt-4cd2956.png)

Now you got the info, unleash your ideas!!!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Zydar on September 22, 2015, 12:21:13 AM
Hmm what's his source on that? Did the band say it right at the gig?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2015, 12:25:14 AM
96 pages, and we're still hanging on scraps from translations. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: the keyboard wizard on September 22, 2015, 01:11:23 AM
Hmm what's his source on that? Did the band say it right at the gig?
I have no idea but you can be sure that if Stéphane Auzilleau (who's been close to the band since a real long time) says that, it's the truth. I think he got to interview or at least talk to the band members and they revealed it to him. Had the band said it out loud during the gig, it would have leaked sooner. In the article, he says : "a few leaks are talking about a rather special concept album".
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Zydar on September 22, 2015, 01:14:22 AM
Thanks :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: JediKnight1969 on September 22, 2015, 06:57:27 AM
Raw dog Pt. 2: Supper's ready.

Special guest: Peter Gabriel as The Dog.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: GandL on September 22, 2015, 07:25:26 AM
Then again, my first language is French, and the way I read it, it is still not definitive.

There’s the word ‘’évoque’’ that I would translate to ’’which suggest’’ and then  ‘’un concept album un peu particulier’’. I wouldn’t translate that to ‘’rather special concept album’’ but into ‘’some kind of unusual form of concept album’’.

So for me the complete sentence would be: The singer (JLB) informed us that the band has worked on a new album that will be available early 2016 (some indiscretions suggest that it could be some kind of unusual form of concept album).


Vague, ambiguous, unclear.......
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2015, 07:29:22 AM
That appears to be consistent with what DT have said, which is that the new album is something a bit different that they haven't done before, but not necessarily a concept album. Maybe it's something more along the lines of an Octavarium style "concept" album, where it all fits together in a grander concept, but not in a traditional way?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 22, 2015, 07:47:06 AM
It's a concept of an album of some sorts!  :corn
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Stadler on September 22, 2015, 07:56:24 AM
I know it's fun to speculate - it's what we do - but for me, I've heard all this before in so many permutations that, well, I've got a fever, and the only prescription is... actually hearing the music.   
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2015, 09:02:46 AM
It's a bit different to the "concept" of a traditional album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Lucien on September 22, 2015, 09:37:57 AM
As long as it's completely new, not some metropolis pt. 3 bullshit, I'm fine with it
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2015, 09:40:02 AM
As long as it's completely new, not some metropolis pt. 3 bullshit, I'm fine with it

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't do a Metropolis pt 3, especially at this point. It would be a bad idea on so many levels. If they do a concept album, it would be something new.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Calvin6s on September 22, 2015, 10:27:44 AM
Star Wars Ep 3.5:  Darth Vader throws down

It all lines up.  (Sheesh.  I honestly will not be into new news album until the first music clips or single is released)
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Lucien on September 22, 2015, 11:32:45 AM
So sequels, no dumb Pt. # memes, none of that. Just a solid, narrative album with an extreme variety of musical styles. That is what I want.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Onno on September 22, 2015, 11:35:06 AM
So sequels, no dumb Pt. # memes, none of that. Just a solid, narrative album with an extreme variety of musical styles. That is what I want.
Yes!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2015, 11:51:48 AM
I just want a good produced album with 60 - 75 minutes of the best material they've written in the last 2 years.

No contrived genre or direction.

Just record the absolute best ideas you've had in the last two years and put it out.

if it's a double - so be it.

If it all confirms to a concept - fine.

What I place above anything else is well written songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 22, 2015, 11:55:20 AM
Star Wars Ep 3.5:  Darth Vader throws down

It all lines up.  (Sheesh.  I honestly will not be into new news album until the first music clips or single is released)

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/DTF/banner.jpg)

TransImperial Rides Again!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Rodni Demental on September 22, 2015, 09:14:38 PM
Just a solid, narrative album with an extreme variety of musical styles. That is what I want.

Just sayin, you're definitely setting yourself up for disappointment with those expectations :P

I'm with Kotow on this one, I don't want it to try too hard to achieve a specific sound or style, but if it succeeds in doing something new then cool. Pretty much so long as DT feel they've put their best in. We'll see what comes out of it...
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: ErHaO on September 24, 2015, 08:16:26 AM
I would really like another DT album with a clear narrative, like with SFAM. Musically I have no real preferences, as long as they do it up to their own par. Since I enjoyed basically every DT album with Labrie, I am not too worried. Production wise I am a bit worried though, I think the main problems of the last two albums are how they sound. I actually think ADTOE would be higher in my ranking if it sounded different. And LALP is also significantly worsened by the sound production.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: JediKnight1969 on September 24, 2015, 08:28:02 AM
Memorable songs. That's all I ask for.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: GasparXR on September 24, 2015, 10:05:26 AM
Memorable songs. That's all I ask for.

I know they will accomplish that for me, they never really fail in that department. :tup I never get tired of hearing a new direction from a band/artist though, maybe that will happen.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: emtee on September 24, 2015, 12:05:24 PM
The music is always good for me. No concerns about that. All they have to do is get the sound quality back in order.

JP said this will happen. I'll trust him but verify before I make the album purchase.

I expect grandiosity, pomp and deep nugget filled story lines with artwork that will blow the mind.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: AboutToCrash on September 25, 2015, 02:50:01 AM
It's amazing that a band in their 50's (well 3 of them) after a 30+ year career and 12 studio albums that people can still believe they can put out a masterpiece and get so excited for new material. That mindset is so rare for other bands of this longevity. That's what makes this band truly special, you still feel that they can release something incredible and rival some of their best work if everything clicks into place this time around.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: RoeDent on September 25, 2015, 04:13:54 AM
you still feel that they can release something incredible and rival some of their best work if everything clicks into place this time around.

And, as always, some will say that everything has clicked into place, and some will say that it hasn't.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: The Stray Seed on September 25, 2015, 04:36:32 AM
It's amazing that a band in their 50's (well 3 of them) after a 30+ year career and 12 studio albums that people can still believe they can put out a masterpiece and get so excited for new material. That mindset is so rare for other bands of this longevity. That's what makes this band truly special, you still feel that they can release something incredible and rival some of their best work if everything clicks into place this time around.
Absolutely!!! :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Enalya on September 25, 2015, 05:13:24 AM
It's amazing that a band in their 50's (well 3 of them) after a 30+ year career and 12 studio albums that people can still believe they can put out a masterpiece and get so excited for new material. That mindset is so rare for other bands of this longevity. That's what makes this band truly special, you still feel that they can release something incredible and rival some of their best work if everything clicks into place this time around.

Agreed! :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on September 25, 2015, 10:35:45 AM
(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11260573_1026290327422979_7707626730632525742_n.jpg?oh=8636a397589412f200a29e9a998ff24e&oe=5662FB20)
JP posted "last day...".
Pretty sure that means the last day in the studio? Or maybe last day of guitar tracking/solos? For some reason I was under the impression that they'd be finished with most of the instrument tracking by now, but I guess there was no real reason for me to think that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: ResultsMayVary on September 25, 2015, 10:43:50 AM
I think he just means the last day in the studio. Most likely the last day before mixing/mastering?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on September 25, 2015, 10:48:33 AM
You're probably right. I just thought it odd that his guitars are still there. Would have thought he'd taken them home if guitar tracking has been finished for a while.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 25, 2015, 11:03:44 AM
You're probably right. I just thought it odd that his guitars are still there. Would have thought he'd taken them home if guitar tracking has been finished for a while.
Me too.

That, combined with JR's posting last week about preparing some SeaBoard work for the new album, indicates to me that they are just now finishing up the actual recording process.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 11:06:20 AM
1. Last Day in Studio. Just Mixing / Mastering / Promotion remains. Late Feb / Early March release date likely.

2. Last day tracking guitars. Isn't James doing vocals in Canada with Rich Chycki ? That should be done by now ! When did James put on facebook that he had entered the studio to begin

vocals ? Wasn't hat like the start of August or something ?

3. Last day full stop. No more mixing or mastering to do. Promotion is imminent. Single in October ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 25, 2015, 11:09:20 AM
I would guess that # 3 is the least likely.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 11:19:06 AM
I would guess that # 3 is the least likely.

:hifive:
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on September 25, 2015, 11:49:50 AM

2. Last day tracking guitars. Isn't James doing vocals in Canada with Rich Chycki ? That should be done by now ! When did James put on facebook that he had entered the studio to begin

vocals ? Wasn't hat like the start of August or something ?

A lot of times, bands record vocals and then solos last.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 12:04:19 PM
Yeah and some metal bands record bass after guitars so they can lock in with the rhythm better than vice versa.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 12:37:04 PM
If it was Metallica it would be " Last day !!!!!!!! Of pre production. Now we start writing ! "
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Lucien on September 25, 2015, 12:56:40 PM
when I write music I just put notes on the page and hope they sound good together
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 02:05:30 PM
" I tried a triad with F#, C and D#

Sounded horrible. :emo: "
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Sacul on September 25, 2015, 02:10:24 PM
Sounds like I'm not the only who tries to write music that way  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 02:12:49 PM
That's how Lamb Of God wrote " Redneck ".



" So God - Damned easy to write this - I just put notes on a page..."
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: CDrice on September 25, 2015, 05:14:58 PM
So has anyone has tried to find if we can see the reflection of a lyric sheet or midi sequence on one of John's guitar?

Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 25, 2015, 06:10:13 PM
" I tried a triad with F#, C and D#

Sounded horrible. :emo: "

You don't like the sound of a diminished chord?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Lucien on September 25, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
" I tried a triad with F#, C and D#

Sounded horrible. :emo: "

Those are 3 of the 4 notes in a dominant V7 in G major. It works. The fifth of the chord is simply omitted, which is fine in part-writing

edit: read that as a D at first, this chord (*C, Eb. Gb) functions as a weak vii to Db major. Still works
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: ResultsMayVary on September 25, 2015, 08:47:39 PM
I would guess that # 3 is the least likely.
My guess is they just finished solos while James is finishing vocals. And that mixing/mastering should start probably next week.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Nihil-Morari on September 26, 2015, 02:27:52 AM
" I tried a triad with F#, C and D#

Sounded horrible. :emo: "

Those are 3 of the 4 notes in a dominant V7 in G major. It works. The fifth of the chord is simply omitted, which is fine in part-writing

edit: read that as a D at first, this chord (*C, Eb. Gb) functions as a weak vii to Db major. Still works

Or as the top of a Vb9 in Bbm  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2015, 02:28:36 AM
" I tried a triad with F#, C and D#

Sounded horrible. :emo: "

You don't like the sound of a diminished chord?

:p i just picked up my guitar and tried to find something dissonant.

Maybe E, F, F# would have been more appropriate ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 26, 2015, 05:03:06 AM
This thread isn't even about DT13 anymore...   :-\
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Bertielee on September 26, 2015, 07:40:39 AM
This thread isn't even about DT13 anymore...   :-\

Hey, you're on DTF : anything is possible, especially the derailing of threads....Above all the derailing of threads!  ;D

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2015, 08:18:30 AM
Speaking of non-sequiters... Slayer are rubbish aren't they ? 
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 26, 2015, 08:29:42 AM
Speaking of non-sequiters... Slayer are rubbish aren't they ?

Reign in Blood is their only good album. The most overrated metal band ever.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2015, 08:32:19 AM
Speaking of non-sequiters... Slayer are rubbish aren't they ?

Reign in Blood is their only good album. The most overrated metal band ever.

And their cartoon faux-satanic controversial bullshit is just ludicrously juvenile.

 
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Train of Naught on September 26, 2015, 08:49:40 AM
The most overrated metal band ever.
I went to see one of their recent singles, because when bands like that put out new stuff they usually go all commercial, and sometimes it's way better than their normal stuff. Well, Slayer haven't changed a bit and are still very boring sounding to me..
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TheGreatPretender on September 26, 2015, 11:42:16 AM
Not sure why this thread has turned into bashing Slayer, but while we're at it, yeah, I mean, I understand that for every type of sound there is, there's gonna be someone out there who will like it, but I will never understand how Slayer has such a huge and loyal following, or how they got to be one of the "Big Four".
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2015, 12:34:24 PM
The Big Four. Slayer don't even have four songs ::) ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Pax on September 26, 2015, 03:25:06 PM
Reign in Blood is not Slayer's best album, Hell Awaits is. In that period, they wrote music now considered progressive thrash, and it was before DT existed, so show some respect
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Sacul on September 26, 2015, 03:27:38 PM
B-but... Slayer is for posers and angry teens who wanna feel br00tal.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2015, 03:39:22 PM
B-but... Slayer is for posers and angry teens who wanna feel br00tal.

Yes !
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 26, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Not sure why this thread has turned into bashing Slayer, but while we're at it, yeah, I mean, I understand that for every type of sound there is, there's gonna be someone out there who will like it, but I will never understand how Slayer has such a huge and loyal following, or how they got to be one of the "Big Four".

Really the Big Four only matters because Metallica dropped the thrash sound and found mainstream success. If it wasn't for the Black Album, this discussion probably wouldn't even be happening.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TAC on September 26, 2015, 05:54:15 PM
Slayer deserves respect.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2015, 06:15:02 PM
not true
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Lucien on September 26, 2015, 06:38:37 PM
not true

stop
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on September 26, 2015, 09:56:22 PM
I will give Slayer this: Angel of Death is awesome. When I think of thrash metal, that's the first song that comes to mind and it gets me pumped every time I hear it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 27, 2015, 04:58:39 AM
Kotowboy, we get it, you don't like Slayer.

Fuck, get on with it, people.

I have half a mind to just lock the thread until there IS actually some news.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2015, 07:51:48 AM
Kotowboy, we get it, you don't like Slayer.

Fuck, get on with it, people.

I have half a mind to just lock the thread until there IS actually some news.

INB4 LOCk
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: mike099 on September 27, 2015, 07:54:11 AM
Kotowboy, we get it, you don't like Slayer.

Fuck, get on with it, people.

I have half a mind to just lock the thread until there IS actually some news.

You cannot lock it until the thread reaches 100 pages.

Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: JediKnight1969 on September 27, 2015, 08:22:41 AM
I have half a mind to just lock the thread until there IS actually some news.

Yeah. I would lock it as soon as we have news so we can start a real DT13 thread from fresh. In the meantime I'd leave it open so everybody can catharsis.

Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2015, 08:35:35 AM
To speed up the locking process :


Slayer SUCK.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 27, 2015, 08:58:45 AM
ahem *shouts* oh, moderator, your attention is required
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2015, 09:00:45 AM
IT'S VLASTO DAY !!!!!!!!!!

 :metal :corn :metal :corn :metal :corn :metal :corn :hifive: :hifive: :hifive: :hifive: :hifive: :hifive:

:neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 27, 2015, 09:06:32 AM
This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on September 27, 2015, 09:32:37 AM
Lock it when it gets to the last comment of the 99th page
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: pcs90 on September 27, 2015, 09:44:52 AM
Lock it when it gets to the last comment of the 99th page
Genius.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 27, 2015, 10:22:23 AM
IT'S VLASTO DAY !!!!!!!!!!

 :metal :corn :metal :corn :metal :corn :metal :corn :hifive: :hifive: :hifive: :hifive: :hifive: :hifive:

:neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:
Have a great Vlasto day, everyone!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2015, 10:31:35 AM
IT'S VLASTO DAY !!!!!!!!!!

 :metal :corn :metal :corn :metal :corn :metal :corn :hifive: :hifive: :hifive: :hifive: :hifive: :hifive:

:neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:
Have a great Vlasto day, everyone!


THIS
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: YtseJamittaja on September 27, 2015, 10:38:54 AM
Bet how many pages over 100 we reach until the actual news?

:soon:
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: CDrice on September 27, 2015, 12:04:39 PM
So about the last picture John posted, it would suggests that there will be electric guitars on the new album. Or maybe it's only to trick us and there will be no guitars at all. :omg:

They did said that the album would be a bit different, so it's totally plausible!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Train of Naught on September 27, 2015, 12:16:40 PM
Okay, stay with me on this one, we can't be 100% sure, but I think that's John Petrucci on the picture, so maybe he is a guest feature on the new album?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2015, 12:17:26 PM
Laaaaaast Christmas ( actually two years ago ) - they gave us a free live album.

But the very next year ( or two - 2015 dependant ) - they did nothing. :(

Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: sfam2112 on September 27, 2015, 12:54:47 PM
That's not entirely true. They did give us a desktop background. Big deal, I know. But, it's something. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2015, 01:13:58 PM
Thiiiiiiis year - to save us from tears - please god give us an update. :emo:
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Lucien on September 27, 2015, 01:31:08 PM
just lock this thread and make a new one when actual news happens; until then this place is simply a shitpost magnet
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: pcs90 on September 27, 2015, 01:34:26 PM
Okay, stay with me on this one, we can't be 100% sure, but I think that's John Petrucci on the picture, so maybe he is a guest feature on the new album?
Yeah, and since Jordan Rudess was working on sounds for it, I guess he's playing on it too. Hard to believe they're both going to play on the same album, it has to be great! :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Crow on September 27, 2015, 02:06:33 PM
i don't understand the appeal of slayer, at all  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: goo-goo on September 27, 2015, 02:19:52 PM
I have the feeling this is going to be an awesome album. They have taken their time in the studio with this one. I hope they revisited during the summer tour, the material they had written and made a few changes...
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2015, 02:55:51 PM
I have the feeling this is going to be an awesome album. They have taken their time in the studio with this one. I hope they revisited during the summer tour, the material they had written and made a few changes...

What was the longest *actual studio time* ( not time between albums ) previous to this ? Which album did it produce ?

Shortest studio time was probably Train of Thought ? I know it only took 3 weeks to write the entire album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: jammindude on September 27, 2015, 03:02:12 PM
I have the feeling this is going to be an awesome album. They have taken their time in the studio with this one. I hope they revisited during the summer tour, the material they had written and made a few changes...

What was the longest *actual studio time* ( not time between albums ) previous to this ? Which album did it produce ?

Shortest studio time was probably Train of Thought ? I know it only took 3 weeks to write the entire album.

I think it was still FII.   I mean, I don't think all those demos were done at someone's house.   But it's been too long since I dug up that info, so I don't remember.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2015, 03:58:50 PM
Common sense says it should be Six Degrees for obvious reasons... ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: GasparXR on September 27, 2015, 04:40:26 PM
Common sense says it should be Six Degrees for obvious reasons... ?

Probably, unless you take into account FII as jammindude said.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2015, 04:49:41 PM
Yes. My post was just an aside...


Wiki said they actually recorded FII very quickly. The studio time was taken up with the writing.


Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 27, 2015, 06:42:26 PM
Kotowboy, we get it, you don't like Slayer.

Fuck, get on with it, people.

I have half a mind to just lock the thread until there IS actually some news.

This wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing at all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: ronnibran on September 27, 2015, 07:41:11 PM
I think time to make the album is completely irrelevant. It all has to do with the amount of inspiration and creative flowing of juices. That said most of my favorite albums have been the ones not hyped up so I'm hoping this one as well will be something awesome. And to stick with the theme of this thread, i couldn't name a single slayer song and so i assume they are an overrated band lol.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: pcs90 on September 27, 2015, 07:50:58 PM
And to stick with the theme of this thread, i couldn't name a single slayer song and so i assume they are an overrated band lol.
This...
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Rodni Demental on September 27, 2015, 08:05:03 PM
" I tried a triad with F#, C and D#

Sounded horrible. :emo: "

Those are 3 of the 4 notes in a dominant V7 in G major. It works. The fifth of the chord is simply omitted, which is fine in part-writing

edit: read that as a D at first, this chord (*C, Eb. Gb) functions as a weak vii to Db major. Still works

Or as the top of a Vb9 in Bbm  :D

Aren't you guys over-complicating it a bit? Looks like a C minor (2nd inversion) with a flattened (diminished) 5th. Or at least that would be a simplified enhamonic equivalent of those notes.

i don't understand the appeal of slayer, at all

I wouldn't go out of my way to listen to it all the time, but I think it's sometimes undercredited by some people for what it actually is and represents.. It definitely doesn't appeal to everyone and even to the people it does appeal to, you probably have to be in the right mood. But pretty much the music is just "fun", "chaotic", "energetic", "dis ordered wankery" perhaps? As DT fans I figured we'd be able to recognise some of the appeal in these qualities even if we don't personally resonate with it. One thing I can confidiently say about Slayer is that they have some of the funnest songs to play on Guitar Hero as far as crazy rhythms and unpredictable leads go. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TheGreatPretender on September 27, 2015, 09:11:18 PM
Yeah, Slayer sucks. ...


So um, back to the album, there's this: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104.42405.126844294034258/1026290327422979/?type=3


I'm assuming he's referring to the new album. And the guitars behind him would mean... Tracking? Or would he be talking about mixing and everything else?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 27, 2015, 09:16:44 PM
Someone posted that a little while back, probably buried by the discussion about completely irrelevant topics.......

Given how recently JR was talking about still recording, and the guitar cases in the pic, I'd be inclined to say it's just the last day of recording guitars. I wouldn't think they'd have done a final mix at this point. Does anyone know when/if JLB has been recording vocals yet?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 27, 2015, 11:49:00 PM
I have the feeling this is going to be an awesome album. They have taken their time in the studio with this one. I hope they revisited during the summer tour, the material they had written and made a few changes...

What was the longest *actual studio time* ( not time between albums ) previous to this ? Which album did it produce ?

Shortest studio time was probably Train of Thought ? I know it only took 3 weeks to write the entire album.

One trip to Wikipedia later:
WD&DU: July 18 - August 12 (1988)
I&W: October - December (1991)
Awake: May - July (1994)
FII: June - July (1997)
SFAM: Unspecified months in 1999
6DOIT: Unspecified months in 2001
ToT: March 10 - September (2003)
8VM: November - February (2004-2005)
SC: September - February (2006-2007)
BC&SL: October - March (2008-2009)
ADTOE: January - May (2011)
DT12: January - May (2013)

Going by this, either SFAM, 6DOIT or ToT could be the longest, & the shortest is probably WD&DU.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TheGreatPretender on September 28, 2015, 12:06:12 AM
Someone posted that a little while back, probably buried by the discussion about completely irrelevant topics.......

Given how recently JR was talking about still recording, and the guitar cases in the pic, I'd be inclined to say it's just the last day of recording guitars. I wouldn't think they'd have done a final mix at this point. Does anyone know when/if JLB has been recording vocals yet?

https://www.facebook.com/officialjameslabrie/posts/966177460091144
https://www.facebook.com/officialjameslabrie/posts/971373612904862

So, I'm guessing it's reasonable to think he's done recording by now. Though it is possible that he took a break to do the Theater Equation, and will continue imminently. But I'd guess he was done.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 28, 2015, 06:32:33 AM
6DOIT: Unspecified months in 2001
ToT: March 10 - September (2003)
I don't know the actual months they were in the studio, but don't forget that in 2001, MP and JP did the summer G3 tour, so the band wasn't in the studio for probably 2 months.

And the same thing is true for 2003 - the band did the tour with QR, which started at the end of June and went thru the beginning of August. I'm sure that there was at least a week or two before and after the tour before they returned to the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 28, 2015, 10:21:36 AM
ooh, we're close to the 100 page mark! well done guys! 3 pages of dream theater talk - 96 pages of nonsensical and off-topic dribble. that's gotta be a record  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 28, 2015, 10:42:32 AM
This thread:

*Post with meaningful-ish content*
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 28, 2015, 10:55:22 AM
Are we at 100 pages yet ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: pcs90 on September 28, 2015, 11:02:16 AM
Getting pretty close!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 28, 2015, 11:17:02 AM
Closer now!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: James Mypetgiress on September 28, 2015, 11:23:36 AM
closer
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 28, 2015, 11:26:13 AM
(https://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5677/194/1600/moi.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 28, 2015, 11:29:50 AM
Dammit guys
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: goo-goo on September 28, 2015, 12:09:36 PM
*snip

Shit, I had forgotten how much I dislike that promo picture.  :(
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: fischermasamune on September 28, 2015, 12:43:53 PM
More 20 posts until 100th page.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Train of Naught on September 28, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
More 1 post until 100th page.
So that means this comment marks the 100th page? Oh, gotta stay on topic:

Mike Mangini said in an interview that their first single will be released early October, source: Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: goo-goo on September 28, 2015, 01:24:10 PM
More 1 post until 100th page.
So that means this comment marks the 100th page? Oh, gotta stay on topic:



Not yet :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 28, 2015, 01:27:59 PM
More 1 post until 100th page.
So that means this comment marks the 100th page? Oh, gotta stay on topic:

Mike Mangini said in an interview that their first single will be released early October, source: Wikipedia.

Wikipedia's source : Lars Ulrich.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 28, 2015, 01:45:53 PM
*snip
Shit, I had forgotten how much I dislike that promo picture.  :(
How about this one?   :biggrin:
(https://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z5/gallardosegura/JohnPetrucci.jpg)

or even this one (which I find almost as ridiculous)
(https://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/pyrostasis/36-0021f.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: goo-goo on September 28, 2015, 02:01:29 PM
*snip
Shit, I had forgotten how much I dislike that promo picture.  :(
How about this one?   :biggrin:
*snip

or even this one (which I find almost as ridiculous)
*snip

LOL. Those are probably the 3 worst JP promo pictures ever!
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: The Trooper on September 28, 2015, 03:31:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5egA3dZ91Dc&list=RD5egA3dZ91Dc#t=0
Rick Astley had prior commitments so collaboration on DT13 is taking a bit longer than expected. But we have this gem
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Lucien on September 28, 2015, 05:46:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5egA3dZ91Dc&list=RD5egA3dZ91Dc#t=0
Rick Astley had prior commitments so collaboration on DT13 is taking a bit longer than expected. But we have this gem

old gold
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on September 28, 2015, 06:07:54 PM
Can this be the new Wither?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: goo-goo on September 28, 2015, 06:33:36 PM
Isn't Jordan doing some kind ofmasterclass at Seawater in Indiana later this month?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 28, 2015, 07:28:56 PM
Isn't Jordan doing some kind ofmasterclass at Seawater in Indiana later this month?

He's doing it through a new app of his.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Crow on September 28, 2015, 08:17:38 PM
i use 50-post pages instead of 35 so this is only page 70 for me lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Cedar redaC on September 28, 2015, 08:32:21 PM
100 pages, 98 pages of recycled speculation, analysis of said speculation, djent conspiracies, slayer bashing and much more.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 28, 2015, 08:52:00 PM
This has been some quality non-content posting here.  I'm proud of you guys for trying to keep yourselves sane for going that long.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 28, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
More 1 post until 100th page.
So that means this comment marks the 100th page? Oh, gotta stay on topic:

Mike Mangini said in an interview that their first single will be released early October, source: Wikipedia.

Can we get a link or was that a joke?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: rumborak on September 29, 2015, 01:05:40 AM
And today marks the one-year mark since anything was released by DT :(
(BTFW was released last year on this day)

Say what you will about MP, but that would have been unheard of in his days.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: reneranucci on September 29, 2015, 01:06:56 AM
Kevin Moore
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 29, 2015, 01:56:03 AM
Rewatched some of Breaking the Fourth Wall. Quality release, but it's hard to get used to the pre-recorded backing vocals....

Also: 100 pages!!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 29, 2015, 04:43:56 AM
Rewatched some of Breaking the Fourth Wall. Quality release, but it's hard to get used to the pre-recorded backing vocals....

Also: 100 pages!!  :metal


Also : Not quite ! :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Bolsters on September 29, 2015, 04:46:01 AM
I do believe this will be the second last post on this page.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 29, 2015, 04:49:55 AM
I do believe this will be the second last post on this page.

OH REALLY ?! :angry:
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Evermind on September 29, 2015, 04:51:18 AM
So, what now? 200 pages?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 29, 2015, 04:53:20 AM
So, what now? 200 pages?
NOW WE CAN DELETE THIS THREAD  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Train of Naught on September 29, 2015, 05:29:32 AM
YESSS, I'm glad to be a part of the 100 pages full of shit, thank you all for participating.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: KevShmev on September 29, 2015, 05:35:55 AM
And today marks the one-year mark since anything was released by DT :(
(BTFW was released last year on this day)

Say what you will about MP, but that would have been unheard of in his days.

Like when 1996 came and went without any kind of release from DT? (unless you count the fan club CD, which was still over a year since ACOS)

Like when Scenes came out in October 1999 and we didn't get Live Scenes till September 2001? (are you really gonna count the Through Her Eyes single?)

Like when we got nothing from the band the last 14 1/2 months he was in the band? 

Yep, unheard of. ;)

Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 29, 2015, 05:37:57 AM
When did they release nothing for 2.5 years when Portnoy was in the band ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Enalya on September 29, 2015, 06:12:09 AM
When did they release nothing for 2.5 years when Portnoy was in the band ?

Startin' here as well?  ::)
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2015, 06:19:52 AM
DT still released music on a faster pace than most bands out there so I can't complain.  We all know the album was delayed so it's not like they didn't want to have a release, they are still working on it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: Kotowboy on September 29, 2015, 06:41:47 AM
When did they release nothing for 2.5 years when Portnoy was in the band ?

Startin' here as well?  ::)

It's a perfectly legitimate question. Run along now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 29, 2015, 08:35:39 AM
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