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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Nick on October 31, 2014, 12:53:36 PM
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Old one here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23768.0
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Oooooh Steven Wilson
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Wow, Nick, you're really on a roll.
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I wanna know how SW listens to music when he's out and about.
Cassettes and Sony Walkman ?
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Nah. He wheels a giant vintage record player around with him.
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I'm envisioning flavor flav but with the turntable where the clock should be.
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Glorious.
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Tagging the thread and casually stating that Insurgentes (the album) rules
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My earholes are ready for new Wilson. I turned my ladyfriend onto him just yesterday and she's in that overly-addicted, 'honeymoon' phase where she wants every piece of music by him and when I told her that a new album is on the horizon she just about creamed herself after saying that Raven is her new favorite album.
I'm ready for that groovy, soulful, melancholic awesomeness that this man does so well. I'm also ready for that flowing hair and scruffy beard on tour, which I will definitely not miss this time around.
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Nah. He wheels a giant vintage record player around with him.
And the record player is on a miniature train.
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Nick this thread title delivers
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I love the new album snippets!
That "poppy" tune sounds wonderful. Anyone know what he's saying? I swear it sounds like he says "Handcat love", but I don't know what a handcat would be.
One last thing...anyone ever notice when SW says words with "n's" in them, he adds an "L" sound? Totally random, I know, but I've always been so curious as to whether or not I'm crazy, or if people know what I mean.
Example: "Window" would be "Wilndow"
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Yeah, I've noticed that too.
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Yeah, I've noticed that too.
Awesome, great to know I'm not crazy
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SW has the potential to be my favorite songwriter but he just chooses not to. TRTRTS is one of my 20 favorite albums ever, but the rest of the PT and SW catalog doesn't sound anything like that. SW is against making 1970's prog in 2014 which is a shame, because the one time he tried it, it was spectacular. I just don't like Grace and Insurgurentes (sp?). PT doesn't do anything for me almost as a whole.
If I love 70's prog and The Raven, can someone give me some SW/PT songs to check out?
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My earholes are ready for new Wilson.
What a coincedence, my penis is named Wilson.
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That doesn't go in there!
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Following! I've given GfD and Insurgentes a few listens in the past few weeks, since I love them both but TRTRTS was my first SW album and thus has a lot more listens. Particularly GfD is just AWESOME.
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If I love 70's prog and The Raven, can someone give me some SW/PT songs to check out?
His pre-Stupid Dream stuff is quite psychodelic and a bit proggy, so you should check either Signify or The Sky Moves Sideways.
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My earholes are ready for new Wilson.
What a coincedence, my penis is named Wilson.
So Tom Hanks misses your penis
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:lol
Arj, you can have my earholes anytime, BB.
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Steven Wilson has aged so well. I wonder if he works out. And what he eats...
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Steven Wilson has aged so well. I wonder if he works out. And what he eats...
He didn't get married.
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He eats iPods. For breakfast.
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Without any milk.
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Love the new thread title! :lol
Steven Wilson has aged so well. I wonder if he works out. And what he eats...
He didn't get married.
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:lol
I feel like the last couple of posts in the old SW thread should be here cause they had interesting stuff in them.
SW has the potential to be my favorite songwriter but he just chooses not to. TRTRTS is one of my 20 favorite albums ever, but the rest of the PT and SW catalog doesn't sound anything like that. SW is against making 1970's prog in 2014 which is a shame, because the one time he tried it, it was spectacular. I just don't like Grace and Insurgurentes (sp?). PT doesn't do anything for me almost as a whole.
Umm... he doesn't make music for you, brah.
My earholes are ready for new Wilson.
What a coincedence, my penis is named Wilson.
:rollin
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I don't think anyone brought this up yet but SW's just released a song he did with Mariusz Duda of Riverside and Lunatic Soul for download at Burning Shed. Proceeds go to raising money for cancer charities.
From SW himself...
'Myself and my friend Mariusz Duda have teamed up to record a song together, and for a very special reason.
Alec Wildey was a young fan who for several years had been passionate about our music, actively helping out with promotion as a leading member of the PT and SW street teams from the tender age of 17, and setting up a street team for Mariusz in 2010. Some of you will almost certainly have met Alec, as he attended many of our concerts. If you did you will have found him to be a sensitive, extremely intelligent and articulate young man. He was a devoted and enthusiastic music listener and movie watcher, as well as a self-published poet, with a very bright future ahead of him.
Unfortunately on Christmas Eve 2013 Alec learned he had a cancer of the lymphatic system, followed shortly afterwards by an additional diagnosis of liver cancer. He began a course of aggressive chemotherapy and radiation treatment, but alas to no avail. At the end of July when he understood he had only a short time left, he emailed me to ask if it was possible that his two favourite musicians could set one of his poems to music, a long held dream of his. I immediately agreed but told him I would make a deal with him - I would make it happen if he could hang on long enough to hear it. We even discussed the possibility of him playing drums on the song himself. Unfortunately he passed away only a few weeks later on 25th August at the age of just 26, and so the idea to record the song has now become about honouring Alec's memory and all too short life, as well as a form of tribute to him and his family. One of Alec's poems The Old Peace has been beautifully set to music by Mariusz and sung and performed by both of us. It is now available to download from Burning Shed for a modest sum in both high resolution FLAC and mp3, with 50% of the proceeds going to the medical centre that cared for Alec during his final months, and 50% going to other cancer support group charities. We would be happy if as many people as possible paid for the official download (so please don't share it or upload it to any other sites) in order to raise as much as we can to help others that find themselves in the same awful situation. The song will be available to download until the end of January 2015, after which all the proceeds will be paid over to the cancer support groups.'
Link for download:
https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/multiproduct/65/4853/
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That's exactly one of the things I was talking about! Someone posted that in the old thread a day before it got locked and it hadn't been reposted. I was feeling lazy. Thanks :D
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They've stopped making the iPod Classic. In a cave somewhere, Steven Wilson is writing a happy song.
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They've stopped making the iPod Classic. In a cave somewhere, Steven Wilson is writing a happy song.
Holy shit I didn't know that, I love mine.
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I wonder how Steven feels about Spotify. :lol
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Holy shit I didn't know that, I love mine.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42647.0
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I don't think anyone brought this up yet but SW's just released a song he did with Mariusz Duda of Riverside and Lunatic Soul for download at Burning Shed. Proceeds go to raising money for cancer charities.
From SW himself...
'Myself and my friend Mariusz Duda have teamed up to record a song together, and for a very special reason.
Alec Wildey was a young fan who for several years had been passionate about our music, actively helping out with promotion as a leading member of the PT and SW street teams from the tender age of 17, and setting up a street team for Mariusz in 2010. Some of you will almost certainly have met Alec, as he attended many of our concerts. If you did you will have found him to be a sensitive, extremely intelligent and articulate young man. He was a devoted and enthusiastic music listener and movie watcher, as well as a self-published poet, with a very bright future ahead of him.
Unfortunately on Christmas Eve 2013 Alec learned he had a cancer of the lymphatic system, followed shortly afterwards by an additional diagnosis of liver cancer. He began a course of aggressive chemotherapy and radiation treatment, but alas to no avail. At the end of July when he understood he had only a short time left, he emailed me to ask if it was possible that his two favourite musicians could set one of his poems to music, a long held dream of his. I immediately agreed but told him I would make a deal with him - I would make it happen if he could hang on long enough to hear it. We even discussed the possibility of him playing drums on the song himself. Unfortunately he passed away only a few weeks later on 25th August at the age of just 26, and so the idea to record the song has now become about honouring Alec's memory and all too short life, as well as a form of tribute to him and his family. One of Alec's poems The Old Peace has been beautifully set to music by Mariusz and sung and performed by both of us. It is now available to download from Burning Shed for a modest sum in both high resolution FLAC and mp3, with 50% of the proceeds going to the medical centre that cared for Alec during his final months, and 50% going to other cancer support group charities. We would be happy if as many people as possible paid for the official download (so please don't share it or upload it to any other sites) in order to raise as much as we can to help others that find themselves in the same awful situation. The song will be available to download until the end of January 2015, after which all the proceeds will be paid over to the cancer support groups.'
Link for download:
https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/multiproduct/65/4853/
That is incredibly awesome of them to do.
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I wonder how Steven feels about Spotify. :lol
The same way he feels about download culture and iTunes :lol
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(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/55866841.jpg)
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I love Steven, but he's a bit of a misanthrope.
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:lol :lol :lol
Brilliant meme!
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Today I saw the music videos for Track One and Remainder The Black Dog.
Both scared the shit out of me :omg: - especially Track One's
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:lol :lol :lol
Brilliant meme!
Thanks!
Today I saw the music videos for Track One and Remainder The Black Dog.
Both scared the shit out of me :omg: - especially Track One's
Speaking of Track One (not made by me):
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/34821273.jpg)
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I wonder how Steven feels about Spotify. :lol
The same way he feels about download culture and iTunes :lol
I mean, if his bands didn't release limited edition, hard-to-find, very expensive albums, then I'm sure people wouldn't have to download or illegally obtain them. Hell, make his music only obtainable through INEXPENSIVE, PHYSICAL formats and then I can see his point.
But the fact that he allows his music to be sold on digital and streaming websites seems counter to his POV. Sell CDs and Vinyl only, don't make music legally available in digital formats, and stand your ground on the matter. Digital music will always find its way through the internet, free or pirated, legal or illegal, fans and music lovers will obtain anything and everything they want. It's just the culture we live in now.
Then again, the man does have to make a living, so allowing digital formats to be sold sort of helps, but if he toured more often, with any or all of his bands, he'd be making bank. Maybe he's waiting to do a Porcupine Tree reunion tour to sell out and make a ton of money that way!!!
-Marc.
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Why isn't Lightbulb Sun on iTunes though? Everything else seems to be
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I don't think anyone brought this up yet but SW's just released a song he did with Mariusz Duda of Riverside and Lunatic Soul for download at Burning Shed. Proceeds go to raising money for cancer charities.
From SW himself...
'Myself and my friend Mariusz Duda have teamed up to record a song together, and for a very special reason.
Alec Wildey was a young fan who for several years had been passionate about our music, actively helping out with promotion as a leading member of the PT and SW street teams from the tender age of 17, and setting up a street team for Mariusz in 2010. Some of you will almost certainly have met Alec, as he attended many of our concerts. If you did you will have found him to be a sensitive, extremely intelligent and articulate young man. He was a devoted and enthusiastic music listener and movie watcher, as well as a self-published poet, with a very bright future ahead of him.
Unfortunately on Christmas Eve 2013 Alec learned he had a cancer of the lymphatic system, followed shortly afterwards by an additional diagnosis of liver cancer. He began a course of aggressive chemotherapy and radiation treatment, but alas to no avail. At the end of July when he understood he had only a short time left, he emailed me to ask if it was possible that his two favourite musicians could set one of his poems to music, a long held dream of his. I immediately agreed but told him I would make a deal with him - I would make it happen if he could hang on long enough to hear it. We even discussed the possibility of him playing drums on the song himself. Unfortunately he passed away only a few weeks later on 25th August at the age of just 26, and so the idea to record the song has now become about honouring Alec's memory and all too short life, as well as a form of tribute to him and his family. One of Alec's poems The Old Peace has been beautifully set to music by Mariusz and sung and performed by both of us. It is now available to download from Burning Shed for a modest sum in both high resolution FLAC and mp3, with 50% of the proceeds going to the medical centre that cared for Alec during his final months, and 50% going to other cancer support group charities. We would be happy if as many people as possible paid for the official download (so please don't share it or upload it to any other sites) in order to raise as much as we can to help others that find themselves in the same awful situation. The song will be available to download until the end of January 2015, after which all the proceeds will be paid over to the cancer support groups.'
Link for download:
https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/multiproduct/65/4853/
That is incredibly awesome of them to do.
Not a fan, but yes it was indeed awesome.
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Why isn't Lightbulb Sun on iTunes though? Everything else seems to be
Something similar - there are no pre-Stupid Dream albums on Spotify ???
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Why isn't Lightbulb Sun on iTunes though? Everything else seems to be
Something similar - there are no pre-Stupid Dream albums on Spotify ???
No pre-In Absentia* albums on Spotify.
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I wonder how Steven feels about Spotify. :lol
The same way he feels about download culture and iTunes :lol
I mean, if his bands didn't release limited edition, hard-to-find, very expensive albums, then I'm sure people wouldn't have to download or illegally obtain them. Hell, make his music only obtainable through INEXPENSIVE, PHYSICAL formats and then I can see his point.
But the fact that he allows his music to be sold on digital and streaming websites seems counter to his POV. Sell CDs and Vinyl only, don't make music legally available in digital formats, and stand your ground on the matter. Digital music will always find its way through the internet, free or pirated, legal or illegal, fans and music lovers will obtain anything and everything they want. It's just the culture we live in now.
Then again, the man does have to make a living, so allowing digital formats to be sold sort of helps, but if he toured more often, with any or all of his bands, he'd be making bank. Maybe he's waiting to do a Porcupine Tree reunion tour to sell out and make a ton of money that way!!!
-Marc.
He's sort of cooled his position on a lot of this stuff recently, and his general position is that he'd rather people hear the music in whatever form rather than not hear it at all.
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I'm surprised nobody has posted this:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, STEVEN!
That mofo is 47 today but somehow manages to still look 17.
Jordan tweeted this today: https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/529393178659803136
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I mean, if his bands didn't release limited edition, hard-to-find, very expensive albums, then I'm sure people wouldn't have to download or illegally obtain them. Hell, make his music only obtainable through INEXPENSIVE, PHYSICAL formats and then I can see his point.
But the fact that he allows his music to be sold on digital and streaming websites seems counter to his POV. Sell CDs and Vinyl only, don't make music legally available in digital formats, and stand your ground on the matter. Digital music will always find its way through the internet, free or pirated, legal or illegal, fans and music lovers will obtain anything and everything they want. It's just the culture we live in now.
Then again, the man does have to make a living, so allowing digital formats to be sold sort of helps, but if he toured more often, with any or all of his bands, he'd be making bank. Maybe he's waiting to do a Porcupine Tree reunion tour to sell out and make a ton of money that way!!!
-Marc.
He addresses that paradox you pointed out (and it's quite a valid critique on his stance, I might add) in this video that was a bonus feature in the Insurgentes documentary. Something along the lines of "Just because I make it available on iTunes doesn't mean I like it". But as someone mentioned already, he's cooled down a bit on the topic since then (after all this was back in 2009/2010)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz0Wyveu4RQ
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Jordan tweeted this today: https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/529393178659803136
While it's a nice gesture, I really don't think this particular song needed 30 times more notes
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^Agreed.
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It'd be so cool if SW reciprocated JR's gesture today.
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I have a hard time seeing SW cover a DT song. It just doesn't seem like his cup of tea. :lol
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He should cover Space-Dye Vest.
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He should cover Space-Dye Vest.
(https://s.quickmeme.com/img/a9/a9959355957a7fa43fe950e35f477ee347749ddfba4589d18dfc0559c3cfb329.jpg)
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He should cover Space-Dye Vest.
Jordan tweeted this today: https://twitter.com/Jcrudess/status/529393178659803136
While it's a nice gesture, I really don't think this particular song needed 30 times more notes
Yeah, bummer really. But, it's what he does I guess.
He should cover Space-Dye Vest.
Now that's something I would like to hear.
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What was his issue with iPods, anyway? I seem to remember something about it years ago, but it was before I really knew who he was (and thus didn't care what he had to say). Something about how it's not the proper way to listen to music?
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These days it's more of a joke than anything. People who take it seriously are morons. He's had some negative things to say about the new generation of music trends, but his problem has nothing to do with iPods themselves; it's about the effect it has on the musician and the album and what they've brought, not the hardware or the company (arguably, anyway...I mean the iPod and Apple were kind of the big bang for the paradigm shift in music). He's made a few comments on how it's become less personal and not as intimate as well as having a problem with the use of 'shuffle' in that it essentially negates the way an album is constructed; furthermore, the new emphasis on single songs instead of albums seems to rub him the wrong way as well as the 'way' it's become popular to listen to (I remember one interview had him commenting about him reminiscing, listening to an album in his room on vinyl, from start to finish and how that'll be an extreme rarity) and of course, like any other musician today, seems to have a problem with the age of music sharing, downloading, etc.
Sure, he's crotchety sometimes, but I can see why with how drastic the music industry has changed in just my own life alone. I can't imagine being born during a time when vinyl was the main format and seeing all the changes till now. It's not necessarily bad, but I don't blame him for being the grumpy old man sometimes. :laugh: Other than that, it's mostly people being people and blowing shit out of proportion and/or poking fun at it, which is never a bad thing (the latter, anyway). Adapt!
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Studio update 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49HxZ8yVpqk&feature=youtu.be
:D
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:omg: :millahhhh :metal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KSUc_mPBZU)
THIS IS GONNA BE SO FUCKIN' TITS.
Lovin' that pinao in the beginning snippit, as well as the story. Oh, and everything else.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it was more that people weren't listening to entire albums and just listening to songs out of context. Plus the issue of artwork not being able to be fully appreciated.
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I'm not sure if that was commented at me, but I said that... So yes, correct. :P
Except the artwork, I missed that point, which he seemed to emphasize. I certainly agree, now that I've bought my first album (Devy's Z2) in YEARS and it's awesome having tangible artwork. Pretty sure Mr. Wilson's work will be next that I buy tangibly.
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Damn that sounds awesome.
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This sounds like it's going to be amazing and I cannot wait. Aren't we about due for some BurningShed pre-orders soon? February is only 3-4 months away...I need to know soon so I can save up the right amount of money for the damn "super-deluxe extra-special limited edition in slipcase-digibook with bound-in 48-page full color booklet with interviews and photos with bonus chewed-on guitar pick".
-Marc.
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I love the boy's choir snippets :omg:
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Definitely that. ^
I've already listened to it three times, it really is equally beautiful and haunting; especially given the subject matter of the album.
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This is sounding awesome.
Few thoughts:
- Was Nick Beggs absent that day? Or does Steven always contribute on bass in the studio? Or is he just playing bass to write the parts, and then Nick will play them for the recordings?
- Love the female singer's voice. I may be the only one who thinks this, but I just hope that she isn't too involved. Nothing against her, I just prefer that any guest vocalist on any record be limited to a degree. 80% Steven and 20% guest vocalist would be great... Just hope it isn't 50/50 :(
- That documentary he references sounds so interesting, and so tragic. Dead in an apartment for 3 years, and nobody notices? So sad...
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Can't wait for this. :coolio :hat
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Oh wow! Can't wait for this now!
Now we know the basic story, any guesses for the title? He mentioned "Routine" a few times as a song title.
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The Chick That Died In London (and other depressing aspects)
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:| :rollin
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The concept sounds great and so does the music. Definitely my most highly anticipated album in the foreseeable future.
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The Chick That Died In London (and other depressing aspects)
:rollin
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Great clips, can't wait to hear the album. Seems a bit more lively than some previous album.
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The concept sounds sad (in typical SW fashion :P) yet interesting, and the female vocals and boy choir add something new to the music - looking forward to hearing the album!
- Was Nick Beggs absent that day? Or does Steven always contribute on bass in the studio? Or is he just playing bass to write the parts, and then Nick will play them for the recordings?
Steven played bass on The Holy Drinker on the last album, so it's not exactly a new thing.
The Chick That Died In London (and other depressing aspects)
:clap:
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- Was Nick Beggs absent that day? Or does Steven always contribute on bass in the studio? Or is he just playing bass to write the parts, and then Nick will play them for the recordings?
Steven played bass on The Holy Drinker on the last album, so it's not exactly a new thing.
Oh wow never knew that! Thanks for the info.
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The Chick That Died In London (and other depressing aspects)
:lol
You bastard!! Loving what I'm hearing
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Well, guess I know what my most anticipated album of 2015 is. The potential on this one is off the charts man!!!
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This sounds amazing. Extremely pumped for this album.
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There's not one thing this man does that doesn't impress me.
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I'm mostly positive about the news, and it's nice to see him try on some new things. With that said, it sounds like it could either be a really special album, or that it could reach Ayreon levels of cheese. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he hasn't had any major disappointments really. Even his worst albums, you can still tell he puts a lot of energy and passion into them, and it's always worth the money to pick up an SW-related album.
I think similar to Raven, I will be very excited for the album going into the year, being a February release and all, but if the history continues to repeat itself, it will probably be an album I have kinda forgotten about when the end of the year comes. I can't think of any examples in the last 3-4 years when an album from the first 3-4 months have been up there for me when the year reaches its end, I think mostly because the strongest albums seems to come out in the spring/summer or fall, at least that's how it has been for me.
But yeah, I will be excited and I think we will get a good album. I don't expect SW to top himself or make something groundbreaking, because for the last years he has kinda found his role as making very solid and predictable albums, and whenever he puts out an album these days, you know what you will get, and you know it will be well produced with great music and some nice ideas. :)
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This is sounding awesome.
- Love the female singer's voice. I may be the only one who thinks this, but I just hope that she isn't too involved. Nothing against her, I just prefer that any guest vocalist on any record be limited to a degree. 80% Steven and 20% guest vocalist would be great... Just hope it isn't 50/50 :(
- That documentary he references sounds so interesting, and so tragic. Dead in an apartment for 3 years, and nobody notices? So sad...
These three things are my thoughts exactly. I have to see that movie now!
Man, I'm pumped.
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Zantera, I have no idea what planet you are on, but TRTRTS was anything but predictable. Unless you count superb sound as predictable.
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70 prog sounding to him is playing it safe. I get it with the younger crowd because using today's technology is expanding their musical horizons.
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But how was it predictable? It sounds vastly different to his previous record, and really to anything else he's ever done. I guess that doesn't seem "predictable" to me.
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Zantera, I have no idea what planet you are on, but TRTRTS was anything but predictable. Unless you count superb sound as predictable.
Exactly.
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that new video is SO GOOD. the track with the female vocalist talking is straight out of a Max Richter album. i am so excited!
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This is sounding awesome.
- Love the female singer's voice. I may be the only one who thinks this, but I just hope that she isn't too involved. Nothing against her, I just prefer that any guest vocalist on any record be limited to a degree. 80% Steven and 20% guest vocalist would be great... Just hope it isn't 50/50 :(
- That documentary he references sounds so interesting, and so tragic. Dead in an apartment for 3 years, and nobody notices? So sad...
These three things are my thoughts exactly. I have to see that movie now!
Man, I'm pumped.
Same! Looking for it online now, to watch tonight.
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Zantera, I have no idea what planet you are on, but TRTRTS was anything but predictable. Unless you count superb sound as predictable.
It wasn't predictable because it was a 70s prog rock album, it was predictable because it was pretty much exactly what one would expect from Steven Wilson in 2013. And I don't think that predictable necessarily has to be something bad. Not every artist/band can be a Swans/Ulver-type of band and constantly surprise the listener. Many bands stick to their comfort zone and do a very good job at it, and there's really no shame in that either.
I would say Insurgentes was the last time SW really surprised me with an album, and what a fantastic album it was. Very different for him at the time, yet very refreshing. Grace For Drowning felt like a safe album IMO, and yet it is my favorite album he has done. So quality and predictability doesn't have to go hand in hand.
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I disagree with most of your points. For me, Insurgentes (my favorite SW solo album) isn't really that different, it's just a very good amalgamation of all of SWs prior projects. There is some Bass Communion, No-Man, PT and Blackfield through the album though it's far more cohesive than one could expect from such different types of music.
On the other hand, I feel TRTRTS is a lot more innovative. When I listen to songs like Luminol or The Holy Drinker I really can't find anything comparable from SW's other projects - I don't think he has ever done anything so clearly 70's prog with no hints of pop, metal or ambient at all. It might not be innovative music, but I would definitely say it's innovative in the scope of his catalog.
Regarding GfD I'm on the fence really. I don't find it as innovative as TRTRTS but I also think he explored some new territory with songs like Raider II.
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I disagree with most of your points. For me, Insurgentes (my favorite SW solo album) isn't really that different, it's just a very good amalgamation of all of SWs prior projects. There is some Bass Communion, No-Man, PT and Blackfield through the album though it's far more cohesive than one could expect from such different types of music.
On the other hand, I feel TRTRTS is a lot more innovative. When I listen to songs like Luminol or The Holy Drinker I really can't find anything comparable from SW's other projects - I don't think he has ever done anything so clearly 70's prog with no hints of pop, metal or ambient at all. It might not be innovative music, but I would definitely say it's innovative in the scope of his catalog.
Regarding GfD I'm on the fence really. I don't find it as innovative as TRTRTS but I also think he explored some new territory with songs like Raider II.
I think you bring up a good point with Insurgentes, but I feel like he made something new with elements he had only explored on the surface before. There's some Bass Communion and IEM on Insurgentes for sure, but with that album he took his darker influences and presented them in a really fresh way. Tracks like Harmony Korine or the title track could have been slightly re-arranged and worked as PT or Blackfield songs, but he really made something brand new with tracks like Salvaging, Get All You Deserve or Abandoner IMO, things I hadn't really heard from him before. Sure, influences from his more obscure projects, but never presented like this, and with interesting vocals as well.
Regarding Raven, we've had the discussion before about Raven being similar to GfD. We don't need to go down that road again, some people think Raven is totally different, others like me feel like Raven continues down the path GfD started. While 70's prog rock has been a major influence for Steven Wilson since the beginning (albums like Up the Downstair, The Sky Moves Sideways, Signify) it has resurfaced again with GfD and Raven. My comment as for it being predictable comes more from an overall view on the genre itself. Reverting back to a more traditional sound with the roots in 70's prog rock has been a trend, and apart from SW you also have bands like Opeth and Pain of Salvation doing similar things. It's just the direction the genre has been going lately, and it's also very popular, both from a fan perspective, but also because many of these bands are in that age where they grew up with 70's prog rock, and it's very likely to shrine through in their music.
Since the new album is not out yet, we don't quite know what direction it will take, apart from a few brief samples, but the progressive element which has been featured heavily on Grace For Drowning and Raven seems intact, with a refreshing variety of some softer songs as well. As for Raven, it's such a fascinating album for me. I would give it an 8.5 or maybe even 9 out of 10, but I still have a weird stance on it. Musically it's a fantastic album, but I think predictable or familiar are good words. Again, not that SW has done this a million times before, but in this day and age and looking at where Prog Rock as a genre is, it's kinda the norm to make a 70's influenced album. I pretty much expect it, after seeing several of my favorite Prog Rock bands go down that road. But as he has shown us in the past, he tends to shift gears after a few years or so.
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I think you bring up a good point with Insurgentes, but I feel like he made something new with elements he had only explored on the surface before. There's some Bass Communion and IEM on Insurgentes for sure, but with that album he took his darker influences and presented them in a really fresh way. Tracks like Harmony Korine or the title track could have been slightly re-arranged and worked as PT or Blackfield songs, but he really made something brand new with tracks like Salvaging, Get All You Deserve or Abandoner IMO, things I hadn't really heard from him before. Sure, influences from his more obscure projects, but never presented like this, and with interesting vocals as well.
Regarding Raven, we've had the discussion before about Raven being similar to GfD. We don't need to go down that road again, some people think Raven is totally different, others like me feel like Raven continues down the path GfD started. While 70's prog rock has been a major influence for Steven Wilson since the beginning (albums like Up the Downstair, The Sky Moves Sideways, Signify) it has resurfaced again with GfD and Raven. My comment as for it being predictable comes more from an overall view on the genre itself. Reverting back to a more traditional sound with the roots in 70's prog rock has been a trend, and apart from SW you also have bands like Opeth and Pain of Salvation doing similar things. It's just the direction the genre has been going lately, and it's also very popular, both from a fan perspective, but also because many of these bands are in that age where they grew up with 70's prog rock, and it's very likely to shrine through in their music.
Since the new album is not out yet, we don't quite know what direction it will take, apart from a few brief samples, but the progressive element which has been featured heavily on Grace For Drowning and Raven seems intact, with a refreshing variety of some softer songs as well. As for Raven, it's such a fascinating album for me. I would give it an 8.5 or maybe even 9 out of 10, but I still have a weird stance on it. Musically it's a fantastic album, but I think predictable or familiar are good words. Again, not that SW has done this a million times before, but in this day and age and looking at where Prog Rock as a genre is, it's kinda the norm to make a 70's influenced album. I pretty much expect it, after seeing several of my favorite Prog Rock bands go down that road. But as he has shown us in the past, he tends to shift gears after a few years or so.
I kind of agree with your analysis of TRTRTS, I think we are just taking a different point of view when deciding whether it's innovative or not - you are looking at it from the "current trends by similar bands" perspective, while I was looking at it strictly from the SW perspective.
Regarding TRTRTS vs Grace, we will just agree to disagree there, it's true that it has been discussed many times and both views have their merits, they just don't feel similar at all to me (and I realize I might have had a different opinion when the album just came out, I just feel that way now that I've got to know it better).
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This is sounding awesome.
- Love the female singer's voice. I may be the only one who thinks this, but I just hope that she isn't too involved. Nothing against her, I just prefer that any guest vocalist on any record be limited to a degree. 80% Steven and 20% guest vocalist would be great... Just hope it isn't 50/50 :(
- That documentary he references sounds so interesting, and so tragic. Dead in an apartment for 3 years, and nobody notices? So sad...
These three things are my thoughts exactly. I have to see that movie now!
Man, I'm pumped.
Same! Looking for it online now, to watch tonight.
I put it on hold from one of the local libraries, so should be getting it in the next couple days :D
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VCR Geek. :lol
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It's a DVD! :censored
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Going against all your indie morals.
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:lol
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I love 1970's prog (and thus I love The Raven) but I don't love the handful of SW/PT songs I've heard (I don't love Raider II, Somewhere But Not etc, etc), can someone rec me SW/PT songs I would like if like 70s prog?
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I love 1970's prog (and thus I love The Raven) but I don't love the handful of SW/PT songs I've heard (I don't love Raider II, Somewhere But Not etc, etc), can someone rec me SW/PT songs I would like if like 70s prog?
Dark Matter, The Sky Moves Sideways, Radioactive Toy, Even Less.
And that's relatively old Porcupine Tree. The band has had many different 'phases'. Try these.
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Couldn't agree more, especially on DM, TSMS and RT. Even Less is great but I don't get an overly 70's vibe from it. Then again I've only heard when I've been shown from my 'rents in that regard, I'm only 25. But DM and TSMS especially, ten fold over. Some of my favorite PT songs.
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Steven Wilson is being shown to kids by their parents at this point?
Fuck.
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I believe he meant the only 70's sounding music was music his parents had shown him.
Also, definitely excited for the new album. I'm happy he's going in a different direction. If he can top Raven's title track, I'll be impressed.
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Yes, that's what I mean; a bit jumbled in my description, apologies. Right, I've heard tons of 70's music due to my parents' tastes and preferences throughout the years. I had only heard SW when I got into the Kazaa era and discovered him on accident, just like Dream Theater, which started this now cosmic-sized snowball. :millahhhh :heart
Although my dad loves the Wilson, he had no idea who he was when we went to the California concert (also met up with Jackie there! Good times) for the Grace tour. He immediately fell in love with (and this came out of the absolute furthest corners of the universe's left field) Raider II and Index. I pretty much wept when I saw that he was as into it as I was. Jackie and I were on the bottom floor and he was chillin' by the upper-floor bar and was just groovin' along. I figured he'd be miserable and would leave halfway through the set, if that far. :lol
Anyway, great stuff and I love the vibe of this new entry thus far. Definitely deviating from his norm in terms of the solo-sound. Still very identifiable but also a bit...more sinister...? I can't wait to hear it all. I think there will always be that tinge of 70's influence since he is so in love with that sound, which I totally support and adore, but this time he's twisting it a bit further, it seems.
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Good times :D
I'm so willing to travel again this time if he doesn't come to CO. Or even if he does, really.
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This is sounding awesome.
- Love the female singer's voice. I may be the only one who thinks this, but I just hope that she isn't too involved. Nothing against her, I just prefer that any guest vocalist on any record be limited to a degree. 80% Steven and 20% guest vocalist would be great... Just hope it isn't 50/50 :(
- That documentary he references sounds so interesting, and so tragic. Dead in an apartment for 3 years, and nobody notices? So sad...
These three things are my thoughts exactly. I have to see that movie now!
Man, I'm pumped.
Same! Looking for it online now, to watch tonight.
I put it on hold from one of the local libraries, so should be getting it in the next couple days :D
Did you receive/watch this yet? If so, how was it?
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I picked it up but haven't had time to watch it yet. I will in the next few days :D
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Finally watched Dreams of a Life last night. Soo fucking weird and baffling that shit could happen, but the movie does point to some possibilities of explanation. Definitely would recommend it. I can see why SW was so inspired by it. Very strange.
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I literally just finished it. Yeah...it's...it gave me the same feeling as the movie 'Coherence' in that it's terrifying without actually being scary. It gave me such a deep, dark pit in my stomach and it made me want to shit myself without...ever...actually feeling it? It's fucked up in the worst way possible. It's feeling something that shouldn't ever be. It made me question what the ever-living-fuck the people in her life were doing, while still questioning her. It's just so completely and limitlessly unnerving that it eventually transforms into fear because I just didn't know what to feel. Horrifying.
All that said, absolutely BEAUTIFUL and perfect concept for an (concept?) album and it made me anticipate this music SO much more. I think this is gonna be a real treat for the dark, depressive motherfuckers such as myself.
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What's the title of the movie? I'm interested now.
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What's the title of the movie? I'm interested now.
Dreams Of A Life
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Many years after the fact, I have discovered that Insurgentes is fantastic.
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I like that one SW/PT song written in a minor key.
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Many years after the fact, I have discovered that Insurgentes is fantastic.
Always thought that Insurgentes was a fantastic album tbh.
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I like that one SW/PT song written in a minor key.
No good...I need you to be *more* vague.
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I like that one SW/PT song written in a minor key.
No good...I need you to be *more* vague.
He's talking about the depressing tune.
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Yes, that mellotron one.
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...with vocal harmonies and suspended chords.
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And impeccable drumming.
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Finally watched Dreams of a Life last night. Soo fucking weird and baffling that shit could happen, but the movie does point to some possibilities of explanation. Definitely would recommend it. I can see why SW was so inspired by it. Very strange.
Great, thanks for the info!
I found it on Amazon, just need to find the time to watch it. I read a bit more about it, and was incredibly sad to hear that she was found in her house with wrapped Christmas presents all around her. Just so sad.
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New Album has a name.
From his Facebook page:
I’m happy to announce that my new album “Hand. Cannot. Erase.” is now finished and will be released on Kscope in February. More news and previews soon, including information on how to pre-order a very special deluxe edition.
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And he's coming to my town!
What a terrible album title though :lol ah well, as long as the music is good. Definitely will catch him live though. His live concerts are awesome.
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It's too early to say if I like the title or not, because usually I need artwork and the music combined with the title to see if it fits or not. However, I thought Raven had an overly long title, and the "(and other stories)" at the end should just have been dropped all together. I think I prefer a shorter title over a longer title in this case.
And yeah, he's coming to my city too. Couldn't be more excited.
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I agree, the title is kinda terrible. Still instant buy though.
I wasn't expecting him to come to Russia, so I'm not disappointed. Like, not at all. Right.
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It is the title he's chosen, so it is the title that will forever be associated with the music contained within. Maybe it will make sense when we hear that music.
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Oh man, I saw he tweeted about a tour and I got all excited, but it's only the UK and Europe :(
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:emo:
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I don't see the problem with that title. Seems fine to me.
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:emo:
I actually looked back in his Twitter log and for Raven he announced the UK/Europe tour in October and the US one in late December, so I imagine we just have to wait a bit longer. I'm guessing it will be May/June, so I may wait to book my June trip to Alaska to see where he's going to be and when. I will not miss this shit!
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The first thing the title reminded me of was Index actually. I think I like the title though, it's the "."s that makes it look weird.
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EDIT: My mistake.
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Sweet! I missed SW's show in Helsinki last year, so I think I'll go this time.
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The first thing the title reminded me of was Index actually. I think I like the title though, it's the "."s that makes it look weird.
Same here, it made me think of the "Catalogue / Preserve / Amass" bit
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Wow, that is a craptastic title :lol
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I love the title. Seems ominous, mysterious, and a bit offsetting. Good stuff, I can't wait to hear this album! :heart
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I think the title's radular.
February woo!
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https://handcannoterase.com/
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^ Your profile pic matches the content of that webside very well.
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:lol
Clearly it's a placeholder for now but even with just the background image, I think this is going to be an equally dark album with hints of light, as we heard in the previews. But yes, very informative site. I think that's all they really need!
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I would have definitely preferred the title without the periods, but whatever.
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Yeah, the title is weird.
But then again, we loved A Dramatic Turn of Events for its music and not the title.. didn't we? :D
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Totally looking forward to HCE (yes, we're doing the abbreviations already! lol). The follow-up to TRTRTS is going to have a hard time living up to its predecessors, but I have high hopes that it will exceed expectations!
-Marc.
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This should be epic, can't wait for the album! And he's coming to play in Holland twice :metal
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Actually thrice! SW is performing as Bass Communion on Dec 7th in Doornroosje, Nijmegen.
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Ah yes. Welcome to the DTF abbreviation world, HCE! :lol
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Ah yes. Welcome to the DTF abbreviation world, HCE! :lol
HCE, after TRTRTS and GFD. I don't think Insurgentes ever had an abbreviation, did it? I mean, unless you count the use of NSRGNTS, but at that rate, you might as well spell out the whole word. NSG looks fine, or ISG, the first letter of each syllable. :lol
-Marc.
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HCE, after TRTRTS and GFD. I don't think Insurgentes ever had an abbreviation, did it? I mean, unless you count the use of NSRGNTS, but at that rate, you might as well spell out the whole word. NSG looks fine, or ISG, the first letter of each syllable. :lol
-Marc.
One-letter words don't normally need abbreviating. I mean, we never abbreviate Awake. 8VM is an exception, because Octavarium is a small handful.
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That's what she said.
I re watched the 2 studio clips today and man I an stoked!!
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HCE, after TRTRTS and GFD. I don't think Insurgentes ever had an abbreviation, did it? I mean, unless you count the use of NSRGNTS, but at that rate, you might as well spell out the whole word. NSG looks fine, or ISG, the first letter of each syllable. :lol
-Marc.
One-letter words don't normally need abbreviating. I mean, we never abbreviate Awake. 8VM is an exception, because Octavarium is a small handful.
I suppose, but Insurgentes is one letter longer than Octavarium, yet we still abbreviate it as 8VM. I impose a new abbreviation for SW's first full solo album as being ISG or NSG. Whichever fans like more.
-Marc.
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Can't wait. :coolio
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The title is like one of those cryptic lines you hear a crazy or traumatized person repeating in a movie, where they're punctuating every word for emphasis just to hold on to their sanity, and only towards the end of the story that you slowly realize just what they were talking about.
Whatever I've experienced, my hand cannot erase it, guys. My hand! Cannot! Erase!
:P
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Joking aside, that's what I pictured. It gives each word clout and impact. I really like it. Even with the exclamation points it's not the same, it seems wily. The simple... Hand. Cannot. Erase.
It's like something out of a horror film. Just what I want from an SW album.
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So, we're briefly talking about it in the PT-thread (but more to the PT side of things), but I'm curious, what songs would you guys hope to hear live, apart from the obvious new ones?
As much as I love Raider II (one of his best solo songs for me), I think it is time to retire it on this tour, because it is very long, and it would leave up a lot of free space for other, more interesting surprises.
Salvaging would be my biggest hope. I love that track, and it's a bummer that he hasn't played it live yet. Puncture Wound, Untitled or Collecting Space from the Insurgentes bonus disc would be really nice surprises, and I would also be really happy if he played Home in Negative, which is a really nice little gem from the GfD bonus discs.
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Hand. Cannot. Destroy. Erase. Improve.
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Hand. Cannot. Destroy. Erase. Improve.
Haha, I actually thought of that too.
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Joking aside, that's what I pictured. It gives each word clout and impact. I really like it. Even with the exclamation points it's not the same, it seems wily. The simple... Hand. Cannot. Erase.
It's like something out of a horror film. Just what I want from an SW album.
Yeah, I actually really like the title. A bit quirky, but not in a bad way.
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The more I hear the title the more I like it to be honest. I think it's just my preference though, I prefer shorter and more "to the business" titles rather than long & drawn out thematic names. I mean there are exceptions (like with everything), but "Hand Cannot Erase" feels very catchy and memorable.
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That's the thing though, I think "Hand Cannot Erase" sounds and reads great as a title. "Hand. Cannot. Erase.", not so much.
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That's the thing though, I think "Hand Cannot Erase" sounds and reads great as a title. "Hand. Cannot. Erase.", not so much.
I agree.
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It looks weirder, but I would still pronounce it the same way so it makes zero difference apart from what it says on the cover, for me at least.
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Same. For me, it's an artistic thing. If I'm actually talking about it, of course I'm not going to take the time to pause between each word...that's kind of ridiculous. But while reading it, in my head it'll have more of an impact. Yes, preferences and opinions and viewpoints, oh my!
/onlyatDTF
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For me, I just give each word a little more space, Hand Cannot Erase, it really doesn't sound that weird to me to say out loud.
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For me, I just give each word a little more space, Hand Cannot Erase, it really doesn't sound that weird to me to say out loud.
100% We all know it's Steven Wilson. There's a reason for this. I approve of it. It's thought provoking.
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I've just never liked the trend (or whatever you call it) of a period after each word, for emphasis. I get it; when you say it out loud, there's a pause, to stress the importance of each word, blah blah blah. I just think it looks kinda dumb when written out.
Oh. My. God.
Fish. For. Dinner.
Fuck. My. Life.
Ellipsis would be more proper, but whatever. It's just a title.
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I've just never liked the trend (or whatever you call it) of a period after each word, for emphasis. I get it; when you say it out loud, there's a pause, to stress the importance of each word, blah. blah. blah. I just think it looks kinda dumb when written out.
Oh. My. God.
Fish. For. Dinner.
Fuck. My. Life.
Ellipsis would be more proper, but whatever. It's just a title.
FTFY
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Even if the title is William Shatner-ish, I don't mind it. Music matters most anyway and I'm excited. :metal
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He should have made it like those annoying usernames on MySpace or AOL with all the ~-)>}] symbols on each side of the name along with emoticons. And the cover could be a gif file of a sparkly unicorn.
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I know. What. Will be.
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He should have made it like those annoying usernames on MySpace or AOL with all the ~-)>}] symbols on each side of the name along with emoticons. And the cover could be a gif file of a sparkly unicorn.
Or worse...
xXxHandCannotErasexXx
-Marc.
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Yeah, the title isn't that great, but he's right. Have you tried to erase something with your hand?
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UMMM YES, I CAN ERASE MARKERS WITH MY HAND YOU IDIOT (https://youtu.be/8pvtVdI9f9I?t=14s) FACE.
;D
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Watch the title be what it is because the album itself is in three parts all titled "Hand", "Cannot" and "Erase", so he just took the chunks of the album and made it the title.
I hope I'm wrong, but it would be neat. I'm sure the title will also be used as a song for a title track.
-Marc.
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Ellipsis would be more proper
This should be the album title.
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He should have made it like those annoying usernames on MySpace or AOL with all the ~-)>}] symbols on each side of the name along with emoticons. And the cover could be a gif file of a sparkly unicorn.
Or worse...
xXxHandCannotErasexXx
-Marc.
In my country it'd be like ** HAñd. cAññ0oT. eErAzheE. **~ xD
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To get back to album speculation (rather than title overanalysis), I can genuinely imagine the music at the beginning of the AIR Studios Part 1 video being an Overture-type piece at the start of the album.
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To get back to album speculation (rather than title overanalysis)
WTF, GET OUT!
:-*
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Worst. Burn. Ever.
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Since SW himself said that the album will be a bit all over the place, with some prog, some use of electronics, some ballads, I'm curious to see how some of the more recent fans will embrace the album. What SW did on Grace and especially Raven was something that resulted in a lot of new fans. Fans who might not have been much into PT or SW's earlier works, but fans of a more classic Progressive Rock style, who really loved what those albums were going for. Now it seems SW is letting go of that part a bit and doing some other things as well, hopefully with a good result, and maybe people who "only" fell in love with SW because of Raven/Grace will appreciate this new side, and be able to get into more SW/PT stuff from there.
He's an incredibly talented musician and without a doubt one of my favorites, and I'm always excited when he goes a new direction. I know Prog Rock is essentially his wheelhouse and he will forever be associated with the genre and hailed as one of the most important figures of it, but any time he gives us any indication he might be putting that aside in favor of another music style, no matter if it's pop, electronica, noise or drone, I'm even more excited than I would be normally.
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It to me has a rock opera feel. I am very interested in the flow of this album. My ears are ready.
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I'm atonished how he hasn't released a single bad, awful album since Ths SkyMoves Sideways, or even from Up the Downstairs. His discography is not perfect, as some albums are not that great (The Incident) and other have fillers, but musicians of his age don't normally keep releasing great album after great album, in whatever project he's involved into. I think Wilson will continue making music till he dies, and it'd probably still be awesome then.
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I wonder how Steven feels about Spotify. :lol
The same way he feels about download culture and iTunes :lol
And Young people and the weather and inflation and god damn hippies :tick:
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In terms of consistency he does have a great track record, maybe one of the best. While not all albums are amazing or mindblowing, it's amazing when even the worst albums of the discography are still genuinely enjoyable. I think most of us would agree On the Sunday of Life is his weakest album, and even that album has redeemable qualities, and despite some not-so-successful experiments on that album, it's still fun. It's not a superb album, but it has some stand-outs (like Radioactive Toy, Nostalgia Factory and Nine Cats), and it's also a fun and quirky album to listen to. Pretty much everything he has done since has been way better, but even the duds like The Incident or Welcome to My DNA (which I know some people weren't keen on) are still far from being bad IMO.
While he only has maybe a handful of album out of all his projects that I would consider flawless or perfect from start 'til finish, the most impressive thing is the large chunk of albums below that quality threshold, that are all really good to great. I'm not as head over heels with his music as I once was, and I think several of the PT albums have clear duds, the quality as a whole is excellent. I think albums like In Absentia, Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun all have weak moments that prevents them from being perfect albums, but the high points are so strong that the albums are still very good. SW takes risks and puts a lot of effort into his music, and for every average or slightly disappointing track, he has at least 2 that hits it out of the park. :hat
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Have you tried to erase something with your hand?
I have some weird birth marks in my penis and I try to erase them at least once a day. Maybe that's what the album is about? Hand *heavy breath* cannot *heavy breath* erase.
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(https://s22.postimg.org/vgjapq31t/getffff.gif)
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(https://i2.wp.com/memecollection.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/65-wat.jpg?resize=567%2C567)
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The Hand That Cannot Erase (and Other Stories)
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The Hand That Refused to Erase (and Other Stories)
Fixed.
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You know you guys can name the album whatever you want on your music playing devices, right?
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I'm gonna name it
FEET! ALWAYS! DRAW!
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I'm gonna name it
FEET! ALWAYS! DRAW!
Sounds more like a Devin Townsend song title :lol
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" The Latest in a long line of SW albums i'll never listen to ! "
:tick:
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damn what a valuable post
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Starbucks.
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wut
I'm atonished how he hasn't released a single bad, awful album since Ths SkyMoves Sideways, or even from Up the Downstairs. His discography is not perfect, as some albums are not that great (The Incident) and other have fillers, but musicians of his age don't normally keep releasing great album after great album, in whatever project he's involved into. I think Wilson will continue making music till he dies, and it'd probably still be awesome then.
I agree about his track record, but I think he'll eventually just go to mostly producing and remixing (maybe with some "guest" type stuff like Blackfield), as he's said that is the direction he wants to keep moving in.
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" The Latest in a long line of SW albums i'll never listen to ! "
:tick:
Thank you for your rare insight and valuable contribution.
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Not sure if this is the new "official" SW thread or if this has been posted yet but UK/European tour dates have been posted on his site (and I'm extremely happy he's comming to Train in Denmark again!)... :tup
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Have you tried to erase something with your hand?
I have some weird birth marks in my penis and I try to erase them at least once a day. Maybe that's what the album is about? Hand *heavy breath* cannot *heavy breath* erase.
I think it's another thing that can't be erased...
" The Latest in a long line of SW albums i'll never listen to ! "
:tick:
Thank you for your rare insight and valuable contribution.
:lol
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Just bought 2 tickets for the Gothenburg show, ~110 dollars, so steep, but I think totally worth it. There are only a few artists with the power of making me throw myself over the ticket-buying process, and SW is one of them. If a ticket is 30 dollars or 60 dollars, it won't matter, I'm going either way. So I'm really excited, and I hope the album is great, because seeing him on the following tour will always be better if you love the new album.
So yeah, bring on April. :angel:
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" The Latest in a long line of SW albums i'll never listen to ! "
:tick:
I'd like to thank you in the name of the participants in the thread to not like Wilson's latest output. It fuels our smugness and superiority, as we can only really feel that way if we have sorry sods to look at who can't perceive the awesomeness of Wilson's albums.
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(https://i.imgur.com/V7I4Fnb.jpg)
So there's the artwork. I like it a lot :)
and here's the Tracklisting:
1. First Regret (2.01)
2. 3 Years Older (10.18)
3. Hand Cannot Erase (4.13)
4. Perfect Life (4.43)
5. Routine (8.58)
6. Home Invasion (6.24)
7. Regret #9 (5.00)
8. Transience (2.43)
9. Ancestral (13.30)
10. Happy Returns (6.00)
11. Ascendant Here On…(1.54)
Neato burrito!
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Nice cover.
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Oh yes! It looks amazing! 2nd March can't come quickly enough! Total time is around 65 minutes, so it's a solid, full album.
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Oh yes! It looks amazing! 2nd March can't come quickly enough! Total time is around 65 minutes, so it's a solid, full album.
65:44 to be exact, given those track lengths above.
Not bad. I wonder if there were any non-album tracks that didn't make the cut? He always seems to have a few of those every so often (most PT albums do, some No-Man albums do, The Raven had a couple, etc.). Interesting cover. Not his usual style but I think it'll be well received. It certainly is different, so I wonder how different the musical content will be for him this time around.
-Marc.
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Yeah, I'm sure this will be a pretty different album from what we are used to expect from the man.
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Nice cover.
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I remember when the Raven cover was announced and most people were pretty disappointed and frustrated over a pretty meh album cover (I didn't care for it myself), but my initial feelings towards to this one is better. It's something different.
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Yeah, I'm sure this will be a pretty different album from what we are used to expect from the man.
Personally I've learned to expect the unexpected from the man. But he is reliable though. Everything I've heard from him, I've loved, so I am more than up for the ride this time round.
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Very unpredictable.
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Hand. Cannot. Fingerpaint. Either. (Apparently.) :lol
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Very cool cover.
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Yessssssss..........
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Love the cover. I don't really want to comment on the song titles until I hear them, but I'm liking the balance in song lengths. Nice to see more short-medium tracks.
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Looks like I was right! (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23768.msg1861609#msg1861609) ;D
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I remember when the Raven cover was announced and most people were pretty disappointed and frustrated over a pretty meh album cover (I didn't care for it myself), but my initial feelings towards to this one is better. It's something different.
Really? I've been thinking about getting it as a tattoo.
Love the new cover. Can't wait for the album, the tour........
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Looks like I was right! (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23768.msg1861609#msg1861609) ;D
And it turns out to be the longest track on the album! :tup
-Marc.
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I thought maybe Regret #9 had something to do with Repentance by DT, but SW's line in that song is Regret/Apology/Whatever #8.
BTW nice cover.
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I remember when the Raven cover was announced and most people were pretty disappointed and frustrated over a pretty meh album cover (I didn't care for it myself), but my initial feelings towards to this one is better. It's something different.
Really? I think it was and still is awesome. It fits the mood of the albums nicely.
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I own the limited edition of Raven, and I think some of the artwork inside of the booklet is incredible. But the album cover itself, I would probably put among SW's weaker covers. Maybe even my least favorite SW cover in the last 10 years. (Counting all albums by all projects)
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I liked both Grace and Raven covers; Insurgentes' cover was a huge miss for me. The new one kind of makes sense considering the concept, but I'm not too fond of it.
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I love the Insurgentes cover, and the cover for the DVD (which was also called Insurgentes right?). I love that abstract Lasse Hoile stuff. As much as I appreciated the visual stuff for Raven (the great pictures in the book), I did miss Lasse Hoile. I think his work really adds another layer of awesomeness to it.
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Alright, you're begging for it, it's just that no one wants to be "that guy". I'll do it.
COVER RANKS
1. Insurgentes
2. The Raven
3. Grace
4. Masturbation
Even though I said "nice cover" at first, I'm starting to think that the cover for this album works great as an standalone image, but maybe not so much as a cover. I can't explain it, it's just that I can't see that picture in a CD case or LP. Maybe when I actually hold it in my hands it'll feel different.
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Haha his facebook of the new album. UK & rest of the world, us & canada. Apparently the us and canada aren't the rest of the world.
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Home Invasion sounds interesting. I wonder if it's actually about a home invasion a la Raider II
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NOIIIICE! Beautiful cover, awesome track titles and a badass length. I love badass lengths.
Can. Not. Wait.
(I'm gonna be doing this shit for a while, just FYI)
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This cover is pretty fucking cool and I'm liking the track lengths. Looks Insurgentes-y, which is good, cause I loved Insurgentes.
Really, really looking forward to this album.
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Steven Wilson is great but arrogant as hell. I'll be honest, his hatred of DT makes me hate him
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Well, it's like, his opinion.
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lol
Too many shits given.
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Steven Wilson is great but arrogant as hell. I'll be honest, his hatred of DT makes me hate him
When has he ever shown any hatred of Dream Theater? Whenever they are brought up, for reasons that often escape me, his response is usually along the lines of it not being his cup of tea. Who the hell cares?
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Steven Wilson is great but arrogant as hell. I'll be honest, his hatred of DT makes me hate him
When has he ever shown any hatred of Dream Theater? Whenever they are brought up, for reasons that often escape me, his response is usually along the lines of it not being his cup of tea. Who the hell cares?
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE, YOU CAN GO FRIG OFF BECAUSE I HAVE TO HATE YOU NOW.
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:lol
I love how some people are masturbating over the track lengths like they actually mean something. I think the cover looks cool. I'm not reading anything into the tracks, just excited for whatever the fuck it is. Really I just want to know when the fuck he's coming to the US.
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Well, I'd rather have more songs with some short and a few long rather than 5 long songs. Personal preference, unless we're talking doom metal, then you can FRIG OFF with short songs.
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Jackie, some people are really shallow and love long penises.
Tracks. Long tracks.
But it really just comes down to more to love, quite honestly, with myself anyway. To relate to something recently that has me a little disappointed, Thomas Giles' new album Modern Noise is absolutely amazing, I think. But I cannot help but feel a bit let down when it ends so abruptly (46 minutes). It's probably what little of the prog addict that's left in me being spoiled, but I always think "Man, I would LOVE it if this album lasted a bit longer"; whether that means a couple more tracks or each track itself being a bit lengthier (my personal preference). Either way, I'm just excited to have a lot of music to listen to even though I'm not sure whether I'll like it or not. Is that such a bad thing? Now, if it ends up that I hate this album, then sure, I'll eat my words and cede. I just don't see that happening with the man's track record for my own tastes and especially with recent endeavors. They mean something...if I end up liking the music. I'm going to err on the side of optimism and say I probably will.
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It's probably what little of the prog addict that's left in me being spoiled, but I always think "Man, I would LOVE it if this album lasted a bit longer"; whether that means a couple more tracks or each track itself being a bit lengthier (my personal preference).
I say this about all Blackfield albums.
And the track lengths very much mean something! Longer tracks = More developed music, perhaps in multiple sections. Music that has room to breathe.
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I don't think any of the Blackfield songs would have benefited from being longer though, and they are great as they are. Making a short song longer just for the sake of it will only harm the overall quality of it. There's nothing worse than a band making long songs for the sake of being long, and showing some restraints is a good sign.
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Steven Wilson is great but arrogant as hell. I'll be honest, his hatred of DT makes me hate him
Godammit
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I don't think any of the Blackfield songs would have benefited from being longer though, and they are great as they are. Making a short song longer just for the sake of it will only harm the overall quality of it. There's nothing worse than a band making long songs for the sake of being long, and showing some restraints is a good sign.
EXACTLY. People who criticize Blackfield for that don't understand what Blackfield is about and should probably stick to constant wankery.
edit: I shouldn't have to say this amongst adults who know better, but quantity=/=quality.
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People who criticize Blackfield for that don't understand what Blackfield is about and should probably stick to constant wankery.
So, "people who don't view this band in the exact same way I do are wrong in their musical opinion"?
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Anti-prog snobbery is just as annoying as prog snobbery. Some people like long songs. Some don't. Who cares.
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People who criticize Blackfield for that don't understand what Blackfield is about and should probably stick to constant wankery.
So, "people who don't view this band in the exact same way I do are wrong in their musical opinion"?
Not necessarily. I think Blackfield was done to make the songs they made, which was quite different for SW. He hadn't made too many songs like that before with PT, so this was an outlet for him to explore that with someone else.
It's like comparing a screwdriver and a wrench. They're both made to do different things, and complaining that you can't tighten a screw with a wrench is like being upset that Blackfield doesn't have sprawling epics over 10 minutes. If you look at all of SW's various bands and projects, they're all different from each other, and they all serve different purposes and explore different musical ground while still having some of that signature SW sound. Granted, I'm only familiar with PT, No-Man, Blackfield, and his solo stuff, but to my ears, each of those are different from each other, at least just as much different as they are the same, if not more so.
-Marc.
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Well, I never said long songs are objectively better, just that if I like the music and it's on the shorter end, it's natural for me to want more. Unless I missed something, no one has said quantity over quality either; certainly not me. If Wilson creates amazing music that has a bit of both, all the better. I mean, I rarely listen to epics anymore and there's a reason for that, they tend to meander and I lose interest; but there is in fact a sweet spot, for me anyway. I'm also pretty sure Wilson isn't making long songs just for the sake of being long, that isn't his style and I think that's apparent. Again though, if there's a good mixture of longER songs with some short and sweet, I am absolutely all for that. Basically what DC said earlier.
I'm not sure why some peeps are acting like this is some controversial topic or that people are screaming LONG SONGS OR DEATH. :huh:
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I don't think there's any anti-prog snobbery here tbh. Some songs are better suited for being long than others, depending on the genre. Blackfield's emotional music works perfect for the format it has. The kind of music SW made on Raven works well with the +10 minute format. It's not so much about a song being good or bad because it's long, but in this case I don't really see the fit at all. Blackfield is all about the emotions and very little about the music, and I don't see how they could fill out a 3 minute pop song into a 9 minute proggy number without it seeming out of place.
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I don't think any of the Blackfield songs would have benefited from being longer though, and they are great as they are. Making a short song longer just for the sake of it will only harm the overall quality of it. There's nothing worse than a band making long songs for the sake of being long, and showing some restraints is a good sign.
EXACTLY. People who criticize Blackfield for that don't understand what Blackfield is about and should probably stick to constant wankery.
edit: I shouldn't have to say this amongst adults who know better, but quantity=/=quality.
Sorry to go all chaossystem on you, but I just WISH they were a LITTLE bit longer, that's all. I'm not after 10-minute-plus songs all the way; I can go to other bands for that. Something more around the 5-6 minute range, like the extended version of the song Blackfield, with the long instrumental coda. No "wankery" (as you so eloquently put it) there. Just great atmospheric music.
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Steven Wilson is great but arrogant as hell. I'll be honest, his hatred of DT makes me hate him
Godammit
XBOX's hatred of SW hating DT makes me hate XBOX.
(https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2011/09/mind_blown.gif)
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Which in turn makes him hate you...
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We hate in circles... woooaaahhhh
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We hate in circles... woooaaahhhh
No wait a minute man...
(non of that Shmedley bullshit...)
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Six Degrees Of Steven Wilson
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I have a prediction to make for H.C.E.
First Regret will be a spoken-word piece with the female singer (we heard a snippet of spoken-word in one of the studio videos) and an ambient background. This will lead into 3 Years Older, which will begin with the music heard at the beginning of "SW at AIR Studios Part 1" video, as an intro/overture. Themes from this 2-3-min intro will recur through the album.
As I say, this is only a prediction. I could be totally wrong. But it's fun to try and guess before the album comes out.
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I hope the female vocalist is utilized a lot. Meaning she's used at the right moments in the songs.
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It would also be cool if a female vocalist joined him for the tour.
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It would also be cool if a female vocalist joined him for the tour.
I always assumed that was a given tbh. If she has as central of a role on this album, it would pretty much be impossible to do the tour without a female singer. Overall SW really is the kind of guy who makes every tour feel like the album is central. The times I have seen him, the current album has always been the central focus of the show. Playing all of The Incident when I saw him with PT, and then seeing him live playing a really GfD-centered show (the same tour he recorded for the DVD) and then a very Raven-centric show last year. So I'm pretty certain the new tour will be very heavily focused on the new one, and I see him sticking true to the album and having a female guest.
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Agreed Jimmy. I like to have her sing backups on the older songs to give them a different vibe as well.
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Agreed Jimmy. I like to have her sing backups on the older songs to give them a different vibe as well.
That could be interesting. I'm very excited for the possibilities of the setlist this tour. I feel like he has reached that point now that an album would have to be VERY conceptual if he would play the whole thing, and while this album is a concept album, I'm not sure if that's enough for him to play all of it. Still, we'll probably get at least 70% of the album, maybe more. While Raider II is one of his best songs IMO (probably even his best epic for me), I do think it's time to drop it from the setlist. He played it during the GfD tour, and a shortened version during the Raven tour, but it still takes up a huge amount of time. If I had to pick between Raider II, or 2-3 more interesting songs that I didn't get to hear on the last two tours, I would go with the latter.
Insurgentes is the album I'm hoping we will get some surprises from. Salvaging would be my nr1 wish track for this tour, but I would also be thrilled if he decided to play the title track, or something from the bonus disc. Collecting Space, Puncture Wound or Untitled (The 78) could be neat numbers. From Grace, I've been lucky to have already experienced most of it live, on the Grace tour which was simply amazing. I think Deform to Form a Star HAS to be played, because I would consider it the Trains of his solo career so far. It's really catchy, very well written and should just be in the setlist. In terms of surprises, I love the bonus track Home in Negative, a song that gets way too little appreciation, probably because not a lot of people have the bonus disc. It reminds me a bit of some of the simpler Blackfield and Porcupine Tree tracks, but it is hauntingly beautiful and I would love it. With Raven, I don't really know. We got most of it (or all of it?) on the last tour, so I'm pretty satisfied. The title track should be played at least, considering it is one of his best. Apart from that I have no major wishes from that album.
A balanced set with mostly new songs, but some great surprises from the previous solo albums (like Salvaging, Puncture Wound and Home in Negative) would leave me satisfied. If he topped that with another PT song or two (like he did on the last tour), that would be the icing on the cake.
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Anti-prog snobbery is just as annoying as prog snobbery. Some people like long songs. Some don't. Who cares.
I truly don't understand why it even matters. Who cares if someone would rather split up their musical ideas into 3 or 4 tracks rather than try to unify them into one track? I've noticed in progressive rock and metal, that even if someone makes a long song, it might as well be 3 or 4 short songs, because instead of trying to develop their musical ideas and themes (which would lengthen a single musical idea and therefore give a song a reason to be long), they move on to completely unrelated ideas, which is where critics come up with the word "disjointed".
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:lol
I love how some people are masturbating over the track lengths like they actually mean something. I think the cover looks cool. I'm not reading anything into the tracks, just excited for whatever the fuck it is. Really I just want to know when the fuck he's coming to the US.
If I'm masturbating over something, it sure as hell ain't the track lengths.
I mean... totally not unplugging the pipe over here. Yep, no siree. Nothing to see here.
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The things is, Marco posted on facebook that the touring lineup would be the same as the previous tour except that Theo wouldn't join. I guess that doesn't ultimately exclude that a female vocalist will be present though. I really hope he brings her along, Significant Other would be amazing live.
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Third studio video from SW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW23Ck372SU
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My god that music sounds incredible. Dude is on an unstoppable roll. He's in some kind of zone where everything he touches
is genious level. Really excited to hear this album.
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I like what SW is saying, and I will pick up the deluxe edition for sure. The music at the start of this video didn't blow me away that much, sounded like more of the same with very SW-sounding prog rock, and I would love to see him leave that behind. But it seems the album will have a lot of variety so there's probably room for a little bit of everything on it.
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Guthrie's outro solo is jawdropping. Very David Gilmour-esque. Which is about as big a compliment as I can give him, that bit of guitar playing really is the only thing sometimes missing in his palet.
On a side note: I'm seeing Steven Wilson this sunday! His second ever Bass Communion show is just a couple 100 meters away from where I'm staying that very night. Great coincidence, can't wait to see what type of music is gonna come out.
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Music sounds pretty good. I can't imagine the whole album sounds like that though.
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When the video flips from the text to the keyboardist, if you watch the video @ 1080p and fulllscreen you can see the name of the song they're playing is Home Invasion.
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Any (very minimal) doubts I had about the album have been quashed already. The music in these clips is tantalising! Emtee is absolutely bang on the money here:
Dude is on an unstoppable roll. He's in some kind of zone where everything he touches
is genius level.
I cannot wait for this!
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Woah. Woah. Woah. - That should've been the title.
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Hands. Cannot. Stop. Fapping.
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As I said on facebook...
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/7d5b07ea53ac899083819905463b3be2/tumblr_mk4bvwHC1q1ru055qo10_500.jpg)
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Exactly! :lol :lol
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Absolutely beautiful stuff. Dat solo! Next year can't get here quick enough. Definitely going all out for this one and gettin' dat deluxe.
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I like the album cover and the clip in the latest video :tup
The things is, Marco posted on facebook that the touring lineup would be the same as the previous tour except that Theo wouldn't join. I guess that doesn't ultimately exclude that a female vocalist will be present though. I really hope he brings her along, Significant Other would be amazing live.
In the album and tour press release SW also said he's "casting the net further back into my songwriting past for a few surprises" - Up the Downstair or The Sky Moves Sideways 2 with a female voice would be awesome! :drool:
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Hey guys, I'm very new into my SW/PT fandom. So far I know that I love all of the PT + SW albums, in particular I LOVE (with capitals) The Raven*.
On Youtube about a year ago I found videos for many of the songs from that album performed live. I would now like to buy the DVD that the songs come from.
So...
After a quick venture to Wikipedia I'm assuming the songs come from the Drive Home EP? Which apparently had a bonus DVD disc? Or did it come in a DVD + CD format?
I want to own this DVD BADLY. I quickly looked it up on Amazon.ca because I'm not from here eh, and I see that it is only out on Blu-ray.
Now I recruit YOU, Dreamtheatre (because I'm from Canada) forums.org to help me out because I'm way too drunk to do my own research. Is the entire live performance available on a single standalone DVD? Because I quite frankly don't care about the CD EP itself. And is it only available on BLUE ray? Because I only own a DVD player and I would be very disappointed if my favorite songs from the past 20 years of music weren't available for me to experience in a live format. Any help you can give me would be very appreciated.
PS. Systematic Chaos rules
*That Refused to Sing**
**And Other Stories
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Hey guys, I'm very new into my SW/PT fandom.
my favorite songs from the past 20 years of music
whoa.
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Hey guys, I'm very new into my SW/PT fandom. So far I know that I love all of the PT + SW albums, in particular I LOVE (with capitals) The Raven*.
On Youtube about a year ago I found videos for many of the songs from that album performed live. I would now like to buy the DVD that the songs come from.
So...
After a quick venture to Wikipedia I'm assuming the songs come from the Drive Home EP? Which apparently had a bonus DVD disc? Or did it come in a DVD + CD format?
I want to own this DVD BADLY. I quickly looked it up on Amazon.ca because I'm not from here eh, and I see that it is only out on Blu-ray.
Now I recruit YOU, Dreamtheatre (because I'm from Canada) forums.org to help me out because I'm way too drunk to do my own research. Is the entire live performance available on a single standalone DVD? Because I quite frankly don't care about the CD EP itself. And is it only available on BLUE ray? Because I only own a DVD player and I would be very disappointed if my favorite songs from the past 20 years of music weren't available for me to experience in a live format. Any help you can give me would be very appreciated.
PS. Systematic Chaos rules
*That Refused to Sing**
**And Other Stories
XB0X
Drive Home is the EP you are talking about and it's available in both CD/DVD or CD/Blu Ray. Unfortunately there's no official release of that complete show.
However, there's a complete show officially released called "Get All you Deserve" and that's a complete concert from Steven's Grace for Drowning show with the same players (but they don't play anything off The Raven That Refused to Sing since that had not been released yet at the time of the filming).
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Well an earlier version of Lunimol is on there...
Dammit now I wanna listen to it
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Get All You Deserve is probably my favorite live release he has put out, PT live albums included. I don't think the setlist could have been much greater tbh. Sure, the title-track from Raven (which came afterwards) would have been a nice addition, but that concert is just epic.
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Hey guys, I'm very new into my SW/PT fandom...
...my favorite songs from the past 20 years of music
Well that escalated quickly.
Also, better than Systematic Chaos? ('Yes' is the correct answer here.)
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Get a blu ray player.
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Guthrie's outro solo is jawdropping. Very David Gilmour-esque. Which is about as big a compliment as I can give him, that bit of guitar playing really is the only thing sometimes missing in his palet.
On a side note: I'm seeing Steven Wilson this sunday! His second ever Bass Communion show is just a couple 100 meters away from where I'm staying that very night. Great coincidence, can't wait to see what type of music is gonna come out.
My thoughts exactly, I can't wait to hear all of Guthrie's playing on this record.
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Every time it gets foggy in my city and I look at my phone I'm tempted to play The Raven
(https://i.imgur.com/HjpfZ2A.png)
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Every time it gets foggy in my city and I look at my phone I'm tempted to play The Raven
(https://i.imgur.com/HjpfZ2A.png)
I saw this post, looked at my clock, and it was 11:12. And today is 12/6/2014. That's creepy lol
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The new album from Steven Wilson, “Hand. Cannot. Erase.” is now available to pre-order in 4 different formats.
The album follows the critical and commercial success of 2013's 'The Raven That Refused To Sing' (Germany #3, UK# 28) and an international run of sold-out shows, including London's prestigious Royal Albert Hall.
Joining Steven on the album is Guthrie Govan (Official) (Official) (guitar), Adam Holzman (keyboards), Nick Beggs (bass / stick), and Marco Minnemann (drums) - all part of the world-class band that graced The Raven and the 2013/2014 world tours.
"Hand. Cannot. Erase." was recorded in September 2014 at the renowned AIR Studios in London.
https://smarturl.it/HandCannotErase
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The awesome artwork and inclusion of demos and other non-final tracks just guaranteed my pre-order of the super-exclusive-awesome-boner-edition. Done and done. I can't wait for this shit.
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The awesome artwork and inclusion of demos and other non-final tracks just guaranteed my pre-order of the super-exclusive-awesome-boner-edition. Done and done. I can't wait for this shit.
For $100 bucks I think it's a bit steep. I need to think on it.
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As much as I rant against SW's 70's Prog Rock Crusade, I will probably without a doubt get the deluxe/limited edition. I got both the ones for Grace and Raven, and in my opinion, whenever an artist puts that much effort, passion and love into a physical package, it is worth my money. Even if Raven ended up being a mild disappointment for me, and not one of his best (still good of course), there is nothing bad I could say about the physical limited edition. It was spectacular, and I'm sure this one will be too.
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All of this shit (entertainment in general...music, games, movies, etc.) is steep. It all depends on what you get out of it. For me, it'll be auditory masturbation for months to come. So yeah, it's worth it to me. Then again I've had an amazing few months at my job so I'm making bank at the moment. If this were last year, I'd have to pass so...y'know, to each his own.
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the packaging might be impressive, but unfortunately it just seems like a ripoff to me :-\
ill gladly give DT $100 for a box set, but I'm usually getting a CD and vinyl and lithograph and other goodies for this price. in this case its a CD and bonus disc, a bluray with bonus stuff and mix, and redundant dvd. maybe worth $50-60 tops, not $100.
ill have to see what other options come out on this one, but i will definitely buy it in some capacity
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I'll probably buy the CD+DVD version. As much as I like the extras of the deluxe edition, I don't have a BluRay player and I don't really have the money for the deluxe version either.
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I'll probably buy the CD+DVD version. As much as I like the extras of the deluxe edition, I don't have a BluRay player and I don't really have the money for the deluxe version either.
Same here.
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I'll probably buy the CD+DVD version. As much as I like the extras of the deluxe edition, I don't have a BluRay player and I don't really have the money for the deluxe version either.
This
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On a side note: I'm seeing Steven Wilson this sunday! His second ever Bass Communion show is just a couple 100 meters away from where I'm staying that very night. Great coincidence, can't wait to see what type of music is gonna come out.
Did you like it? I wasn't there myself, but I'm really curious.
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The awesome artwork and inclusion of demos and other non-final tracks just guaranteed my pre-order of the super-exclusive-awesome-boner-edition. Done and done. I can't wait for this shit.
For $100 bucks I think it's a bit steep. I need to think on it.
https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/product/65/6311/
Guys guys guys... $80.50 at Burningshed. Always go as close to the source as possible. In this case, it's about $20 cheaper!!! Totally pre-ordering this!!!
EDIT - after adding in shipping, Newbury's Domestic Shipping totals to $110.98, while Burningshed has it at $105.45 shipped. Might as well save the $5 if I can.
Also, a release date of March 2nd means it'll be out the day after my birthday, so if it ships early, it'll be a VERY happy birthday for me!!! :tup
-Marc.
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Already have my deluxe edition pre-ordered! I'm ready for this shit! :metal
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Already have my deluxe edition pre-ordered! I'm ready for this shit! :metal
Ditto. Did it right after I posted a bit ago. I missed out on the Limited Deluxe Editions for SW's first three albums, and now they're all about double their original prices on the secondary market (like eBay), going for over $200+!!! I didn't want to miss this one, and the extras sound interesting and very immersive to the concept.
-Marc.
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Hmm, not sure why the Blu-ray comes with a download card and the DVD comes with a CD. Will likely get one of those two versions.
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Normally I don't go for the deluxe stuff, but I had told my dad I wanted nothing for Christmas and now I just asked for one. I won't get it til way after Christmas, but it'll be a nice treat.
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I do kinda want to get a deluxe SW release. I missed out on Insurgentes, GfD, and Raven, but... there's really not enough in that to justify the cost. A blu-ray, a redundant DVD, and an unimpressive-looking demo disc plus some art for $100? It just doesn't look worth it.
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I will probably get the CD + DVD version, the booklet is nice and the DVD 5.1 version is enough of an extra for me. I don't want to sacrifice the CD to get the blu-ray, plus I wouldn't want a blu-ray case in the middle of my CD collection, I'm stupid like that.
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On a side note: I'm seeing Steven Wilson this sunday! His second ever Bass Communion show is just a couple 100 meters away from where I'm staying that very night. Great coincidence, can't wait to see what type of music is gonna come out.
Did you like it? I wasn't there myself, but I'm really curious.
Well, the atmosphere was great. I just didn't know what to expect. It was all about being there, the music itself was wonderful, but you couldn't tell if they played a new record really loud, or if they actually did anything live. So... Well, I'm a musician, so I'd like to see things happening on stage, emotions, seeing what the artists do to make the music they are making. And it was like watching a hologram of two guys standing behing a desk.
Again, the music itself was wonderful, but I think I'd enjoyed it even more if there was just a light-show and backing track, no artists.
Apart from that, it was the shortest concert I've ever been, just 45 minutes of new music, and after that it was done.
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Sounds cool, but I get your point about the 'live' performance. And 45 minutes is really quite short.
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The deluxe box does look very tempting, but I think I'll let the super fanboys and -girls with a consistent income buy all the copies. :lol I'll definitely get the version with the bonus DVD, though, 'cause I want to see the making-of documentary.
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To reduce clutter in my apartment, digital download it will be as usual. If he put the making of online for a few bucks I would probably watch it.
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For certain bands like DT, Rush, Steven Wilson, I want the hard copy. Others I've downloaded for the most part. I still burn a CD of the download though and store it away.
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Yeah I've been limiting my purchases to a handful of bands lately, I'm also trying to reduce clutter (thinking about getting rid of most of my movie DVDs as well and keeping only music DVDs/BRs). I guess at some point I'll have to switch completely to digital media, but I'm still clinging on for special dudes like Stevie.
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What is the Insurgentes film? Is it worth a purchase?
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It's a documentary. I really liked it myself, some really great visuals going on, and some interesting info about Steven Wilson, plus the hilarious scene of him visiting Disney World/Land. Might be a bit weird to some people though.
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For lack of a better term, I would call the Insurgentes film a surrealist documentary film. Great documentary and on the 2nd DVD there's the Harmony Korine music video with 5.1 audio, a Q&A with SW during a screening of the film, a full "live" Bass Communion set (it's the same exact performance that was released on the BC/Pig in Mexico vinyl) and an alternate ending to the film amongst other things that might be worth of interest for SW fans.
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Yes, it's totally worth a purchase!
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Is it that when he destroys some iPods?
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Is it that when he destroys some iPods?
Yes!
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https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/product/65/6311/
Guys guys guys... $80.50 at Burningshed. Always go as close to the source as possible. In this case, it's about $20 cheaper!!! Totally pre-ordering this!!!
EDIT - after adding in shipping, Newbury's Domestic Shipping totals to $110.98, while Burningshed has it at $105.45 shipped. Might as well save the $5 if I can.
Also, a release date of March 2nd means it'll be out the day after my birthday, so if it ships early, it'll be a VERY happy birthday for me!!! :tup
-Marc.
I'm very excited because the March 3rd release in the U.S. just happens to be on my birthday! :biggrin:
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I neeeeeed to know when he is coming to the US, dammit! I have a trip to plan. Doesn't he know his tours should revolve around my schedule??
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I neeeeeed to know when he is coming to the US, dammit! I have a trip to plan. Doesn't he know his tours should revolve around my schedule??
Yeah, I need to know as well cause I too am planning a trip next year (Rome in fact).
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Sweet! Rome is awesome. I'm going to Alaska, so there is no way in hell he would be where I'm going... so I have to make sure I can at least make one of the dates somewhere.
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HORDE. COLLECT. FILE. INDEX. CATALOG. PRESERVE. AMASS. INDEX.
*FAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAP* I love this song so fucking much.
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HORDE. COLLECT. FILE. INDEX. CATALOG. PRESERVE. AMASS. INDEX.
*FAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAP* I love this song so fucking much.
Lok'tar Ogar! For the Horde!
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:lol Did not even notice I did that. That's what back to back double shifts will do to ya. IT'LL KILL YOUR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR, IT'S HORRIBLE!
But yes, for the horde. Even though I haven't played that game in years.
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Calm down Leeroy Jenkins.
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HORDE. COLLECT. FILE. INDEX. CATALOG. PRESERVE. AMASS. INDEX.
*FAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAP* I love this song so fucking much.
Such a good song, the Get All You Deserve version is the absolute best.
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HORDE. COLLECT. FILE. INDEX. CATALOG. PRESERVE. AMASS. INDEX.
*FAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAP* I love this song so fucking much.
Such a good song, the Get All You Deserve version is the absolute best.
This. Is. True.
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I'm trying to get my hands on all the SW/PT content I can. Do I have all of the official video releases?
Drive Home
Insurgentes DVD
Get All You Deserve
Anesthetize
Arriving Somewhere
Octane Twisted
Anyone other DVDs that feature Steven? Any documentaries or anything like that?
IM GOING THROUGH SUCH A STEVEN WILSON PHASE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE NO IDEA
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I'm trying to get my hands on all the SW/PT content I can. Do I have all of the official video releases?
Drive Home
Insurgentes DVD
Get All You Deserve
Anesthetize
Arriving Somewhere
Octane Twisted
Anyone other DVDs that feature Steven? Any documentaries or anything like that?
IM GOING THROUGH SUCH A STEVEN WILSON PHASE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE NO IDEA
No-Man released a couple DVDs a few years ago - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-Man#Videography
Blackfield also had a live DVD - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfield#DVDs
-Marc.
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Great, thanks!
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Don't forget about Atlanta, and Coma Divine.
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Coma Divine had a DVD?
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Not that I know of...but what he's probably referring to are the live albums that were only audio releases. In this case, these would include:
Coma Divine
Warszawa
XM
XMII
Rockpalast
Ilosaarirock
Atlanta
Some of these never had a physical release but instead were available as a FLAC or mp3 download for a few bucks on Burning Shed.
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I just came in to say that Stars Die is the most beautiful song ever.
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Eh. It's pretty, but never stood out to me that much.
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Yeah. Deform to Form a Star might own that spot.
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Stars Die is amazing :heart As a matter of fact, I'm just listening to the Octane Twisted version.
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I just came
Happens all the time when Stephen Wilson is involved.
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Eh. It's pretty, but never stood out to me that much.
I actually like the version on We Lost The Skyline more than the original to be honest.
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Yeah, I like that version too.
Yeah. Deform to Form a Star might own that spot.
:heart :heart
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Haven't seen anyone mention it here, but the song Hand Cannot Erase is available on iTunes. IMO, it has a major Blackfield vibe, which isn't a bad thing.
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I just came
Happens all the time when Stephen Wilson is involved.
Which one? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Wilson) The athlete, the U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania, the U.S. federal judge, the former Australian politician from Tasmania, or the United States Air Force Lieutenant General?
-Marc.
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Haven't seen anyone mention it here, but the song Hand Cannot Erase is available on iTunes. IMO, it has a major Blackfield vibe, which isn't a bad thing.
Really pop-drived song. Blackfield also went to my mind immediately. Sounded really nice!
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I won't hear it then. The only way to listen to the tune is to inject my computer with that cancer called iTunes. Ain't gonna happen.
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I won't hear it then. The only way to listen to the tune is to inject my computer with that cancer called iTunes. Ain't gonna happen.
Don't bother! it's not worth the effort.
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Which one? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Wilson) The athlete, the U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania, the U.S. federal judge, the former Australian politician from Tasmania, or the United States Air Force Lieutenant General?
-Marc.
There's also a football commentator here in Britain. Although he usually goes by Steve Wilson. But I still think of SW when I hear his name mentioned.
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haha oops
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I really like it.
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I really like it.
Yeah, specially when it gets heavy/intense.
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Does the song cut out at the end a la Pull Me Under or is that just the copy on YouTube?
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Wow, good song. It's pretty sunny for being an SW song, and poppy too. Reminds me of Blackfield and some Lightbulb Sun vibes.
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Does the song cut out at the end a la Pull Me Under or is that just the copy on YouTube?
I'm pretty sure we shouldn't be talking about that. I haven't see any official confirmation that a song should even have been released yet.
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I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere from an official source that the song was released on itunes. I don't use itunes myself however so I can't confirm it. As for anything being on youtube, I haven't checked since I'm waiting for the album.
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Does the song cut out at the end a la Pull Me Under or is that just the copy on YouTube?
I'm pretty sure we shouldn't be talking about that. I haven't see any official confirmation that a song should even have been released yet.
You can buy it on iTunes.
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4:13 length
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/hand-cannot-erase/id950667924
YT stream 11 seconds short?
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From Facebook
A heads up that 75% of the limited deluxe book edition of Hand. Cannot. Erase. are now accounted for on pre-order. As with previous deluxe editions it is likely to be completely sold out by release date and will not be repressed, once it’s gone it’s gone!
This special edition includes a CD of the album, an exclusive CD of demo material (including several pieces not included in the final version), a Blu-Ray with high resolution stereo / instrumental mixes / 7 alternate versions / a 30 minute making of documentary, and a DVD including a cut down version of the Blu-Ray content.
The artwork is an elaborately designed 96 page casebound book, with several additional inserts, including a diary and a sketchbook.
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Got a number of SW things for Christmas, one of them being Cover Version. Wasn't aware this even existed until today. Very unique, am enjoying it very much.
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Whoever gave you that is immensely awesome. Especially since you didn't know it existed, which means they took a leap of faith in getting it. Good stuff.
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Finally heard the new song. Quite an unexpected change of style but I really like it. I can't wait to see how it fits in the context of the album.
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/DSCN6420_zps5767ee3a.jpg)
Saw this today while walking through Mexico City :D
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:lol :metal :millahhhh :millahhhh :millahhhh :millahhhh :millahhhh
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I've been thinking back and forward about getting the deluxe of the new album or not, and it's hard to make up my mind. I do own both Grace and Raven and they are both beautiful and totally worth their price. But on the other hand they are mostly just standing in my book shelf collecting dust. The money is really not an issue for me, but I have a few other things I have been thinking about buying, and so I'm not quite sure what I will prioritize.
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I am really liking this song. In fact the chorus keeps getting stuck in my head - which is not necessarily a bad thing.
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I just pulled the trigger and ordered the deluxe edition... I was also going back and forth but as a relatively new fan of SW and PT I don't have any special editions of anything from the back catalogue (but yeah a couple of my DT box sets among others also collect dust so IDK...). I guess other than the packaging I'm doing it for the exclusive content (which will probably be downloadable at some point but still...).
I do kind of wish he had made HCE downloadable for those who pre-ordered (any version) now rather than having having to buy it on iTunes separately (which i haven't done yet but knowing myself I just might).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXKpm-y3n1M
hand cannot erase teaser
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https://handcannoterase.com/ and a website for.. reading.
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Haunting shit just by skimming through.
Will. Read. Website.
(Later.)
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Wow! Fascinating read. Love the references to several classical works in there. I happened to be listening to a Sibelius symphony when I read that. And the Messiaen quote as well. Haunting.
I wonder if it was time or love that ended first for them...
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That. Website. Zzzzz......
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How many more "Word. Word. Word." posts are we gonna get? It's getting old already.
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Probably. Some. More.
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I appreciate the level of effort he's putting into the ancillary stuff to the album. I hope the music lives up to it.
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I'm gonna try my best to avoid the side-stuff and just wait for the album, which probably won't be a problem. Kind of a bummer that he's dropping the album so early during the year, because from my own historical point of view, albums dropped in the first 3-4 months very rarely have the legs to be up there among my favorites at the end of the year. No matter the artist or album, that has just been the case for me. For some reason it seems that most of the best stuff drops in the second half of the year, and the albums you are really digging during January/February/March kinda gets lost in the mix somewhere.
I don't have any expectations for this to be a top10 album of 2015, but as long as it's a good album, I will be happy, and knowing that it is Steven Wilson, it most likely will be. There's always something to admire about his albums. Even an album like Raven, which I think was his weakest solo album, and nowhere near as good as the praise it got, it was still a great sounding album, had a great concept behind it, some beautiful imagery (The Raven music video), and some good music.
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Oh shit, have you guys seen he's announced some US dates?? Boston (5/22), Portland (6/16), and Seattle (6/17). Big gap in between obviously, so I'm sure there's a lot more waiting to be confirmed. It looks like if he does come to Denver it will be right around when I'm supposed to leave for Alaska, fuuuuck.
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Just heard the single, and it is really, really good. Very poppy, a completely different direction than previous solo work I'd say. Really looking forward to this one.
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How many more "Word. Word. Word." posts are we gonna get? It's getting old already.
Probably. Some. More.
This is what I like to see. :rollin
No shit it's old, that's the WHOLE POINT YA SILLY DOOFUS!
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Listening. Right. Now.
Eargasm in 5...4....
(I can't share it...but it's legal and legit. The perks of being a music journalist on the side) :xbones
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GOD DAMN YOUR AWESOME SIDE JOB!
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Listening. Right. Now.
Eargasm in 5...4....
(I can't share it...but it's legal and legit. The perks of being a music journalist on the side) :xbones
You better give us a review of that bad boy there.
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I only wish I could listen to it more. It's streaming only, and doesn't seem to work on my tablet...only my laptop. So I can't listen to it on the go, or in my car.
I *loved* my first time through, and I will listen to it again tomorrow after work. I don't feel comfortable giving any opinions until I've had several run throughs....but I did LOVE it.
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How representative of the album as a whole is the single?
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Aw, can we not start spoiling this already?
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Aw, can we not start spoiling this already?
This seriously, we got what, until February?
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Ok....resized for spoilers....but as a disclaimer, it's really NOT that spoiler-y at at all. Just very vague first impressions.
It's a lot to digest after just *one* single listen. I will say that the various samples that I've heard from the three "in the studio" videos that we've all seen are VERY representative of the feel of the over all album.
One insight I will offer...and I can't even tell you if I feel good or bad about it yet...is that of everything I've heard from SW, this album sound (to me...IMO) the most like it could have been a PT album. The epic track at the end (the title slips my mind at the moment, and it's not in front of me as I type this) in particular had a lot of similarity to "Arriving Somewhere But Not Here" to my ears. Upon repeated listens, this *could* turn out to be a good thing or a bad thing. Only time will tell.
It is different enough from PT to be an SW solo album, but many of the heavier parts in particular sound like they could have been lifted directly from Deadwing. But there are throwbacks to the earlier "atmospheric" material. I really have to give it a couple more spins. It's a lot to absorb in one sitting.
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Please....tell me. I'm trying to be vague on purpose. If the previous comment is too "spoiler-ish" I will delete it. But I don't feel like I really said anything....
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Or when you see Jammin post, just don't read it. Maybe putting spoiler headings will help, Jammin. Perhaps a separate thread? Buttholes are sensitive round these here parts. They're a precious thing, those beautiful buttholes.
Sounds awesome though, I would assume that SW is smart enough to put a varied amount on the samplings from the studio videos to represent the album while not giving the big moments away. He's pretty meticulous.
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Maybe some people don't care about spoilers and would like to read information regarding the upcoming Steven Wilson album in the Steven Wilson thread? I can appreciate that you guys don't want to know much before you have the album yourselves, but perhaps you could also appreciate that other people don't give a shit about doing that themselves.
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That's usually why there's separate threads, because some people don't give a shit that you need to know as much as early as possible :)
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Please....tell me. I'm trying to be vague on purpose. If the previous comment is too "spoiler-ish" I will delete it. But I don't feel like I really said anything....
Personally, I don't think it's spoiler-ish at all and I quite enjoy reading it over. But yeah, either delete this and repost it in a new thread meant for 'spoilers' or just resize it.
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I still don't think my post gave away anything at all...but it's been re-sized in respect of the more sensitive.
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BTW....I'm assuming this new link (public release) has already been posted?
www.handcannoterase.com
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That website is really interesting. Incredibly well-written and authentic for something that's just promotion for an album. I wonder if it's going to be updated?
Also, the title track that got released a while back is really nice. I like how it's very modern sounding as opposed to all the 70s prog and jazz of the last two albums.
I'm quite excited for this album, hopefully it continues the upward trend his solo albums have been following for me.
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If you want to avoid spoilers, avoid the thread. Simple as that, really. You know there's a new album coming out, and that things about said album are bound to be revealed before the release, and that people are bound to discuss said details. I'm fed up with holding back on something I feel excited about, just in case I "ruin" something for someone by revealing it "too early".
Also...
How many more "Word. Word. Word." posts are we gonna get? It's getting old already.
No shit it's old, that's the WHOLE POINT YA SILLY DOOFUS!
What's the difference between this and a personal attack on a fellow forum member (against the rules), because I'm struggling to see it.
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Reading that I caught a couple of PT references. Nice.
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I've never understood how you can spoil music. I mean it's not a movie. It's not like reading "I love the guitar-riff towards the middle" completely ruins the song because you know what will happen.
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I've never understood how you can spoil music. I mean it's not a movie. It's not like reading "I love the guitar-riff towards the middle" completely ruins the song because you know what will happen.
This. Reading something like that^^ would just got me more excited. It's not like spoiling at all.
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I've never understood how you can spoil music. I mean it's not a movie. It's not like reading "I love the guitar-riff towards the middle" completely ruins the song because you know what will happen.
Indeed. Though most people do get their expectations raised by hype and positive reviews, or are more inclined to see negative things if someone else has pointed them out to you. I think if you tend to be like that, then avoiding "spoilers" can be a good way to hear something without preconceived expectations.
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It's always people's preconceived notions that ruin music and films. i see it all the time. That's why when someone sees a film that wmost say is poor and you see it and think, "It wasn't as bad as everybody said", because your expectations were so low.
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With music I guess it's more of an expectation problem. With movies, spoilers can cause some damage. Certain movies whether it's Sixth Sense or Memento (just to name two examples), spoiling the twist to someone will actually kinda ruin their experience. With music it's a bit different. I guess you could potentially spoil cameos, like "I didn't expect Devin Townsend to sing guest vocals on the new SW album" (just an example) and that "surprise" might be spoiling it. On the other hand, in the day and age we live now, those kind of cameos rarely happen, and if someone is a guest on an album, we pretty much know about it months before hearing the actual music.
I do respect other's opinion if they feel discussing unreleased music (or released singles) might be spoilers, but just from a personal PoV, the only person who can spoil it is myself, by listening to it.
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Well, you can say that samples for new albums are like spoilers themselves. Some avoid them like the plague for the same reasons.
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I think the difference how movies and music are consumed is key. Movies are a story to be told, and that usually means that once you've heard it, there's little point to hearing it again. If you get told a key aspect beforehand, it can take away the whole thing.
Music is *meant* to be listened to over and over. So, there isn't really that amount of spoil going on. IMHO.
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Reading that I caught a couple of PT references. Nice.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Though most people do get their expectations raised by hype and positive reviews, or are more inclined to see negative things if someone else has pointed them out to you. I think if you tend to be like that, then avoiding "spoilers" can be a good way to hear something without preconceived expectations.
Exactly. This is how The Incident was partially spoiled for me, by someone giving me information I did not ask for before I had the album and totally hyping it up.
I don't understand why people are getting so pissy about some of us not wanting to discuss the album before it's out. If it was a DT album, on this forum, people would be getting warnings about discussing it before it came out. It's actually against the rules.
In the past, folks have opened separate "spoiler" threads for this purpose (like the last Opeth album) and it's worked out just fine. Don't tell me that I should be avoiding the thread about my favorite artist because you can't fucking wait until the album comes out. There's a lot more to discuss- tour, website/creepy blog, etc. I shouldn't have to avoid the thread completely because I don't want to hear about the album two months before it comes out.
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I think the difference how movies and music are consumed is key. Movies are a story to be told, and that usually means that once you've heard it, there's little point to hearing it again. If you get told a key aspect beforehand, it can take away the whole thing.
Music is *meant* to be listened to over and over. So, there isn't really that amount of spoil going on. IMHO.
Movie lovers would differ with your assessment. Some watch movies like we listen to music. I'm more in your corner but I can understand where they come from.
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It's definitely not a black-and-white distinction. Some movies are certainly more on the visually-artistic side (say, 2001 A Space Odyssey), so you can watch those over and over again. But then there are movies like Memento, where having seen the movies once, and thus knowing the twist, takes away a big piece of the movie on the second watching.
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I think the difference how movies and music are consumed is key. Movies are a story to be told, and that usually means that once you've heard it, there's little point to hearing it again. If you get told a key aspect beforehand, it can take away the whole thing.
Music is *meant* to be listened to over and over. So, there isn't really that amount of spoil going on. IMHO.
Uh, no not really. Not to be rude, rumborak, but as a Film Studies major, I actually take a bit of offense to that.
Many of the best films are the ones that improve/reveal more with repeated viewings. Practically any film by Stanley Kubrick, for example, improves upon multiple views because the point of the film goes beyond the immediate narrative. It's the themes and concepts that lie underneath everything that keeps you going back.
Take The Shining, for example. On the surface, it's a film about a haunted house or an analysis of an extremely dysfunctional family. The more you watch and analyze the film over again and again, the more you'll notice how there are more things at play than what initially appeared to be there. Just how much of the film is 'real' within itself?
Or how about Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo? The initial film is a romantic noir-thriller, but with each repeated viewing, it becomes less and less of a film and more and more of a dream. Something that evokes the sense of deja vu.
It's definitely not a black-and-white distinction. Some movies are certainly more on the visually-artistic side (say, 2001 A Space Odyssey), so you can watch those over and over again. But then there are movies like Memento, where having seen the movies once, and thus knowing the twist, takes away a big piece of the movie on the second watching.
I actually haven't watched Memento a second time, but I have a feeling it'd be a pretty different viewing this time around, considering how the ending of the film shakes up the entire definition of the whole film. I'd wager it'll probably be akin to The Sixth Sense, in which you see more and more going on within the film to indicate how that twist holds up.
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I can see both sides. With movies, if it's a good one, I can watch it over and over, and appreciate the acting, the writing, the cinematography, everything, all over again. To me, it's very much like listening to a favorite piece of music again and again.
With music, that first listen is very important to me. I want to hear the song unfold naturally, I want to be surprised if there's a key change or a mood change or something, and when I think they're going to come back to a chorus or verse but instead it goes into an instrumental, I want to be surprised by that, too. When I was younger and had more time, I'd sit and absorb it all while listening to it; reading the lyrics and liner notes, checking out of the pictures and/or artwork. Today, I listen to most "new" music (new to me) in the car, and it's great to just let it unfold. I don't even know the song lengths. When I get to the epic, I don't know it's the epic, I just keep getting blown away by the changes and the different parts, and later I look and it was a 17-minute song or whatever. I let it take me on the journey.
On a similar note, if everyone's raving about the guitar solo or the bad vocals or something in a particular song, when I get to that song, I'm going to hear it and think "eh, it's not that bad" or "eh, it's not that good" or maybe it is that bad or good, but either way, I'm going to be comparing my impression with what others have said, not just forming my own impression first.
So... for those reasons, I try to keep music "unspoiled" similar to how I try to keep movies unspoiled. But I also understand that these are music discussion boards, and I can either skip over the discussions I can see are going in that direction, or avoid them completely. I don't go to IMDb and complain about people spoiling movies that have been out for years, and I wouldn't complain about people discussing new music here.
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Again, I'm saying it's a spectrum. Movies, even though they can clearly be as artistic as any other art form, primarily have a story to tell. Stories have a plot, and once you heard the plot, you know it.
That issue doesn't really exist with music.
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Again, I'm saying it's a spectrum. Movies, even though they can clearly be as artistic as any other art form, primarily have a story to tell. Stories have a plot, and once you heard the plot, you know it.
That issue doesn't really exist with music.
Fair enough. I initially missed the bit about spoilers in comparison between films and music, so that's my bad there.
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I don't understand why people are getting so pissy about some of us not wanting to discuss the album before it's out. If it was a DT album, on this forum, people would be getting warnings about discussing it before it came out. It's actually against the rules.
In the past, folks have opened separate "spoiler" threads for this purpose (like the last Opeth album) and it's worked out just fine. Don't tell me that I should be avoiding the thread about my favorite artist because you can't fucking wait until the album comes out. There's a lot more to discuss- tour, website/creepy blog, etc. I shouldn't have to avoid the thread completely because I don't want to hear about the album two months before it comes out.
This is kind of where I lean, especially the bolded part.
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If people are truly spoiling it, they should either stop it until the album comes out, or make a separate thread for it. I really don't think this album will leak early though, so it shouldn't be much of a problem. SW has usually done a good job together with K-scope/Burning Shed, and while it may leak early, I doubt it will leak more than a week in advance. So hopefully spoilers won't be an issue.
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Just checked the venue SW is playing at in Boston. YES, it's the Berklee Performance Center!! The venue for bands that care about their sound.
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Music can be very vague. Someone could say "I liked the guitar solo in the middle", and you'd still have no idea exactly how it goes. However, if they said "The guitar solo sounds like Brian May", it automatically puts that into your head. That is probably more of a "spoiler" than the first quote.
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Just checked the venue SW is playing at in Boston. YES, it's the Berklee Performance Center!! The venue for bands that care about their sound.
Thanks for the heads-up, just bought my ticket. :)
A bit pricey, but well worth it considering the show I saw on the Raven tour was fantastic.
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Same here. I saw him there for the Raven tour, and was blissfully ignorant of the Raven. My jaw dropped to the floor once they started playing.
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How much are the Boston tickets? Not that there's any chance of me seeing him there. It'll either be here or the pacific northwest, if he doesn't come to CO. The Portland/Seattle tickets were both around $35, which is absolutely reasonable.
I can see both sides. With movies, if it's a good one, I can watch it over and over, and appreciate the acting, the writing, the cinematography, everything, all over again. To me, it's very much like listening to a favorite piece of music again and again.
With music, that first listen is very important to me. I want to hear the song unfold naturally, I want to be surprised if there's a key change or a mood change or something, and when I think they're going to come back to a chorus or verse but instead it goes into an instrumental, I want to be surprised by that, too. When I was younger and had more time, I'd sit and absorb it all while listening to it; reading the lyrics and liner notes, checking out of the pictures and/or artwork. Today, I listen to most "new" music (new to me) in the car, and it's great to just let it unfold. I don't even know the song lengths. When I get to the epic, I don't know it's the epic, I just keep getting blown away by the changes and the different parts, and later I look and it was a 17-minute song or whatever. I let it take me on the journey.
On a similar note, if everyone's raving about the guitar solo or the bad vocals or something in a particular song, when I get to that song, I'm going to hear it and think "eh, it's not that bad" or "eh, it's not that good" or maybe it is that bad or good, but either way, I'm going to be comparing my impression with what others have said, not just forming my own impression first.
So... for those reasons, I try to keep music "unspoiled" similar to how I try to keep movies unspoiled. But I also understand that these are music discussion boards, and I can either skip over the discussions I can see are going in that direction, or avoid them completely. I don't go to IMDb and complain about people spoiling movies that have been out for years, and I wouldn't complain about people discussing new music here.
Yeah, totally agree with all of this.
I guess I just became a busy "grown up" but I don't really give new albums the attention and time I used to. Like you, I'm often listening in the car. Though with albums I'm really anticipating, I sort of still make an event out of the first listen. With Raven, I turned down the lights and put it on my record player and laid on the floor while it played :lol
For that reason I like it to remain as "unspoiled" as possible because like you, I like to be totally surprised by everything.
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Guys, this is confirmed, presale began this morning.
Thursday, May 28th, Keswick Theater in Glenside.
I was able to pull a pair of row G tickets, $50 after charges. I only have myself going for now, but felt confident someone here would appreciate the heads up and good seat and hopefully buy the second one. Let me know!
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Where did you find out about that show, Nick? Kind of odd that it's not on SW's page... as far as I can tell. Makes me wonder if there are other (closer) shows that might slip by me.
Anyways, if I lived within a couple hours of Glenside I'd gobble that second ticket right up!
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I got an email from the Keswick this morning letting me know about the presale, although a bit more notice would have been nice...
Managed to get a great seat though, looking forward to my first SW show!
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Yeah, I wish this whole tour date thing was a little more organized. They're popping up here and there but he hasn't actually announced any, just posted three on his site.
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Jackie, I paid $41 for my mezzanine ticket.
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The more solo stuff I hear....the more I'm just *so* disappointed with myself for never having checked out any SW solo material until Raven came out. I've still never heard Insurgentes or GfD.
I know...I know. You may now commence the beatings.
The thing is, I just hardly have any money right now, but I am going to be pre-ordering this. Though I still don't know if I can afford the deluxe version. (I want it ***SO BADLY***) But maybe I'll just pick up the CD/DVD version and then maybe get one of the first two...
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What is wrong with you?! Go get those first two albums!
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What is wrong with you?! Go get those first two albums!
This 4 shore.
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What is wrong with you?! Go get those first two albums!
(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/thank-you-sir-may-i-have-another_zps8c05d7e5.jpg~original)
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I'm the same as Jammindude. I want to check those babies out asap.
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Wow, another Steven Wilson remix/5.1 of a band and album I love from the 80's!!
https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/simple-minds-sparkle-in-the-rain-five-disc-super-deluxe-edition-box/
Damn him. He's killing my savings account!
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Pretty cool! I like Simple Minds a lot. Great band.
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Yeah, I wish this whole tour date thing was a little more organized. They're popping up here and there but he hasn't actually announced any, just posted three on his site.
Much like the apparent appearance of a song on iTunes. You'd expect at least a tweet from his team saying that it's available. That's what made/makes me question it, even though it is on the biggest music site.
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Yeah, very strange.
What is wrong with you?! Go get those first two albums!
(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/thank-you-sir-may-i-have-another_zps8c05d7e5.jpg~original)
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Title track is :metal I like it a lot.
This is Steven Wilson's first title track that isn't a piano ballad, which kind of shows me the shift in direction and sound with this album.
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I like the melodies and the overall tone going on in the new track. Though I'm not too fond of the lyrics.
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I love this song, I got hooked the first time I heard it. :metal
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So has the title track been officially released? Am I allowed to talk about that track then?
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Well I bought it on Amazon so I'm assuming so.
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BlackInk...what was wrong with the lyrics? Did anyone else not care for them? I mean...I haven't focused on the *actual* lyrics too much. I've just been picking out phrases here and there in relation to how they fit in with the theme.
I don't think this is a spoiler at all, but I'm not sure, so I'll play it safe and put it here:
I think it's common knowledge that the story is told from the girls POV....so I feel like all the lyrics fit when taken in that context.
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Unless the lyrics are awesomely brutal or amazingly sappy/cheesy or downright horrible, I don't pay much mind to them. Granted, they're very important, but at the same time, they have to be at the epitome of either spectrum for me to be highly judgmental of them. Otherwise, I just take them as they are; the telling of a story. In this song, I didn't feel any need to single them out because I don't think they're cheesy or bad, but at the same time I didn't find any lines that stuck out to me as awesome or amazing. It's just the telling of a story, and that is fine; the music behind it is what turned me onto the song.
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I've got nothing to add but I'm following
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Lyrics are surprisingly unimportant to me. They are just words written to be sung to create melodies, and in my opinion the vocal melodies and how catchy they are, is way more important than the content of the lyrics. Great lyrics delivered in an average way is not very enjoyable, but average lyrics delivered in a great way can be really nice.
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BlackInk...what was wrong with the lyrics? Did anyone else not care for them? I mean...I haven't focused on the *actual* lyrics too much. I've just been picking out phrases here and there in relation to how they fit in with the theme.
I don't think this is a spoiler at all, but I'm not sure, so I'll play it safe and put it here:
I think it's common knowledge that the story is told from the girls POV....so I feel like all the lyrics fit when taken in that context.
There are few lines in the verses I reacted to being a bit trivial. It didn't feel like something you would say in a song lyric, too literally describing things without the 'poetic' touch usually found in SW's music.
It would be easy to take issue with the 'love'-stuff in this song, but I really enjoyed that since it fit the song. So that's not what I mean. And the chorus is pretty damn good, lyrics and all.
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Lyrics are surprisingly unimportant to me. They are just words written to be sung to create melodies, and in my opinion the vocal melodies and how catchy they are, is way more important than the content of the lyrics. Great lyrics delivered in an average way is not very enjoyable, but average lyrics delivered in a great way can be really nice.
um, pretty much this ^
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Lyrics have never mattered to me in the slightest, I can't remember the last time I read through the lyrics of an album jacket. It would literally have been 20 years ago. Even for my favorite albums that I'm eagerly anticipating, I'll look through the art work but won't even bother looking at the lyrics. There are songs from my favorite bands that I've been listening to for 20 years that if you asked me to write the lyrics to, I would be stumped.
The people in my life have never understood this, I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't care about lyrics.
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I'm a bit of a lyrics freak myself...but I can understand how people would be very dismissive of the lyrics to most music. Most of them are banal at best.
But....for a CONCEPT ALBUM? I guess the answers in this thread become much more surprising given that fact.
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Bad lyrics can completely destroy an album for me. Good lyrics are very important to me. Luckily, Steven Wilson is a good lyricist.
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I'm a bit of a lyrics freak myself...but I can understand how people would be very dismissive of the lyrics to most music. Most of them are banal at best.
But....for a CONCEPT ALBUM? I guess the answers in this thread become much more surprising given that fact.
I can only think of a few concepts albums where I cared at all about the concept itself. I don't imagine this album will be any different.
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I also pay almost no attention to lyrics. It took me several listens through SFAM before I even had an inkling of what was going on (if pressed, I probably still couldn't tell someone the story in any coherent way that made sense). I still have no idea what is going on story-wise in albums like Mercy Falls, Clockwork Angels, 01011001, Into The Electric Castle, The Old Man and The Spirit, etc and I've heard them many many times each.
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I'm the exact opposite. I pay very close attention to the lyrics, as I feel they affect for me at least the music itself. The mood that is attempted by the lyrics tying into the music creates the overall package. Just think of Raven with the desparate loneliness that the old man feels, and how that makes the music that much more harrowing. Fucking love the lyrics.
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:tup
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I'm the exact opposite. I pay very close attention to the lyrics, as I feel they affect for me at least the music itself. The mood that is attempted by the lyrics tying into the music creates the overall package. Just think of Raven with the desparate loneliness that the old man feels, and how that makes the music that much more harrowing. Fucking love the lyrics.
Ok so what's your take on the lyrics for the title track?
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This thread seems to be mostly slit between two extreme viewpoints. Either "Lyrics are really important to me" or "I don't care at all about lyrics".
I can't be the only one who's in the middle here? I like hearing/reading lyrics that speak to me, and great lyrics can really elevate a song and make it even better. But that's only one part of a song, and bad lyrics will rarely put me off music as long as the music is good. Basically, if the lyrics are really great then I'll focus on them, but if not then I'll let them essentially be another instrument.
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I can't be the only one who's in the middle here? I like hearing/reading lyrics that speak to me, and great lyrics can really elevate a song and make it even better. But that's only one part of a song, and bad lyrics will rarely put me off music as long as the music is good. Basically, if the lyrics are really great then I'll focus on them, but if not then I'll let them essentially be another instrument.
I'm with you. Unless the lyrics are REALLY bad.
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I can't be the only one who's in the middle here? I like hearing/reading lyrics that speak to me, and great lyrics can really elevate a song and make it even better. But that's only one part of a song, and bad lyrics will rarely put me off music as long as the music is good. Basically, if the lyrics are really great then I'll focus on them, but if not then I'll let them essentially be another instrument.
I'm with you. Unless the lyrics are REALLY bad.
Yeah just occasionally there's something that really puts me off. The reason varies though. Sometimes it might be the quality of the lyrics, but that's rare as like I said, I can almost always just ignore it and focus more on the music. I'm actually more likely to get annoyed by overly political lyrics with a message that puts me off. :lol
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LIFE TO SAVE LIFE
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I'm the exact opposite. I pay very close attention to the lyrics, as I feel they affect for me at least the music itself. The mood that is attempted by the lyrics tying into the music creates the overall package. Just think of Raven with the desparate loneliness that the old man feels, and how that makes the music that much more harrowing. Fucking love the lyrics.
Ok so what's your take on the lyrics for the title track?
I would put them on the bordering cheese side, but that may change once I see where they fit into the concept.
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I haven't heard this song yet, so I can't comment specifically, but I have never understood the concept of not caring about lyrics at all. I just can't fathom it.
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Agreed. I'm in the middle too. Great lyrics will really elevate a song for me, but if the lyrics are just okay and the music is awesome, I don't mind that.
LIFE TO SAVE LIFE
:lol, I was thinking more like NOW WAIT A MINUTE MAN
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LIFE TO SAVE LIFE
No, see, that song is absolutely fine because it's not taking a preachy stance, it's actually incredibly balanced. Which I rather like.
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Well then, I can't help but feel this conversation has reached a turning point.
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LIFE TO SAVE LIFE
No, see, that song is absolutely fine because it's not taking a preachy stance, it's actually incredibly balanced. Which I rather like.
Really? Maybe you should...
PAY ATTENTION TO THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE RAISED!
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YES I AM JUSTIFIED
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I've never viewed SW as a strong lyricist, but I've also rarely had problems with him. There are a few exceptions, and I think Feel So Low is probably one of my least favorite PT songs due to the lyrics/delivery, and the title track of FOABP has some weird lines, but all in all I think SW is mostly decent. He very rarely blows me away with his lyrics, but he is solid. When he avoids his typical clichéd topics of serial killers and trains, I think he does a decent job. The lyrics to The Raven That Refused to Sing were really nice, and one of my favorite lyrical moments from his last couple of albums. But he also mainly operates within a genre (Progressive Rock) which these days is not really a genre known for good lyrics.
He's no Mark Kozelek, but he hits it home with some songs from time to time.
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EVERYONE SURVIV... wait..
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Not so good lyrics don't really lower my opinion, but good lyrics definitely raise it.
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I haven't heard this song yet, so I can't comment specifically, but I have never understood the concept of not caring about lyrics at all. I just can't fathom it.
*shrug*
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Not so good lyrics don't really lower my opinion, but good lyrics definitely raise it.
I think this sums it up pretty well. I would have missed out on a lot of good music if I was nit picky about lyrics, and I probably would never have gotten into DT if that was the case. So I'm kinda happy I'm not very picky about it. If there's good lyrics, then great. Totally makes it better. If not, it's not a deal breaker.
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For me it's, the vast swath of okish lyrics simply get blended out when I listen to the song. Really good lyrics stand out positively, really bad ones negatively. That is, the bad ones draw attention to their badness, thus dragging down the experience.
Regarding SW, I had some problems with his downer lyrics, especially on FOABP. Luckily he stuck to melancholy on the Raven, and I like melancholic lyrics. Just not downer lyrics.
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I haven't heard this song yet, so I can't comment specifically, but I have never understood the concept of not caring about lyrics at all. I just can't fathom it.
I just don't listen for it, I guess. I'm not listening to music to get a story like I'm reading a book. I pay more attention to what is happening musically with the instruments, dynamics, rhythms, tempo, transitions between different sections, etc. I basically want my face to be rocked and could care less what the vocalist is singing about.
I've noticed that I listen to a lot of instrumental music like jazz and classical, and some of my favorite metal/pop/prog/whatever songs of all time are instrumentals or longer songs with extended instrumental passages. It's kind of funny to say that considering I am an amateur vocalist (although I have been paid for a few gigs over the years).
About the only music where I do pay attention to the lyrics are religious songs where the lyrics can have a deeper connection for me on a spiritual level (Neal Morse's One, or thousands upon thousands praise & worship songs for example).
This probably explains why I don't care at all for emotionally driven, singer-songwritery, ballady type stuff. Probably also explains why I don't care for songs like Vacant and Disappear.
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I definitely care more about the music a lot more than the lyrics, but they definitely can have some impact on the song for me. That said, it's usually only a major impact if they're either really good or really bad.
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I just know, as I lyricist myself, that I'd be pretty bummed out if people in the future wouldn't even listen to the lyrics. Not saying you have to, I'm not trying to force anyone here, it's just how I'd feel since there is a lot of time going into the writing of lyrics as well as the music. Especially on a concept album.
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:D :D :D, he's coming to Boulder!! The rest is up: https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/tour-dates/
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:D :D :D, he's coming to Boulder!! The rest is up: https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/tour-dates/
I maaaaaaaaaaaaaaay be able to go to the Boulder show! :D Would frickin love to see him again, dude was out of this world.
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Wait whaaat? Will you be in CO?!
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Wait whaaat? Will you be in CO?!
Moving to Fort Collins in May :)
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No way!! We need to party! That is a discussion to be had outside of this thread, but you must come to the Boulder show!
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King. Bought. Tickets.
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I hope it doesn't like sell out completely. With my situation right now... I won't know if I can go until much much closer to the date.
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:D :D :D, he's coming to Boulder!! The rest is up: https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/tour-dates/
I'll definitely be going to that show.
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King. Bought. Tickets.
Sounds like a meet up!
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King. Bought. Tickets.
Sounds like a meet up!
You know it! Got the wife and the brother going!
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:D :D :D, he's coming to Boulder!! The rest is up: https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/tour-dates/
I'll definitely be going to that show.
We should organize a little meetup, especially if Dylan will be there too! Any other Coloradans in da house? I'm obsessively checking the site to see if they're on sale yet.
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Not sure why I even bothered checking.
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Not sure why I even bothered checking.
I wasn't really expecting anything south of DC anyways, but it's still disappointing to see
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I will for sure be at the SF show. Gonna be a bit till I get tickets, but not too worried. He wasn't able to sell out the Fillmore, and the Warfield seats about 200 more at least.
Bosk, meet up? :lol
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Not sure why I even bothered checking.
I wasn't really expecting anything south of DC anyways, but it's still disappointing to see
That's a bummer. But, if DT can't even make the South work, somebody like SW clearly wouldn't.
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That's right.
I saw him in DC last time and it was worth it. And I'll propably do it again, if the timing works out.
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Not sure why I even bothered checking.
I wasn't really expecting anything south of DC anyways, but it's still disappointing to see
That's a bummer. But, if DT can't even make the South work, somebody like SW clearly wouldn't.
I could easily see him playing Charlotte or Raleigh/Durham, or even Asheville (PT has played there before, I think - or it could have been SW solo). But whatever.
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Not sure why I even bothered checking.
I wasn't really expecting anything south of DC anyways, but it's still disappointing to see
That's a bummer. But, if DT can't even make the South work, somebody like SW clearly wouldn't.
I could easily see him playing Charlotte or Raleigh/Durham, or even Asheville (PT has played there before, I think - or it could have been SW solo). But whatever.
Well Piss! I was hoping for Atlanta. The wife really wanted to make the trip with me to go to Ikea!
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:D :D :D, he's coming to Boulder!! The rest is up: https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/tour-dates/
I'll definitely be going to that show.
We should organize a little meetup, especially if Dylan will be there too! Any other Coloradans in da house? I'm obsessively checking the site to see if they're on sale yet.
Sounds fine with me. I did just order a ticket for the Center Balcony section. I was almost in the very last balcony row last show and the view was fine but I'm looking forward to be up a little bit more.
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I could easily see him playing Charlotte or Raleigh/Durham, or even Asheville (PT has played there before, I think - or it could have been SW solo). But whatever.
It's weird how certain artists seem to make a consistent bend around certain areas. Neal Morse seems to have an aversion for the Northeast, no matter what project he is in. He will make it up to CT, and then either turn around or move on to Canada.
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That's been a bug up my ass with Neal as well. I think the early 2000's with Transatlantic at The Middle East was the last time he was in the Boston area.
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You guys should try living in Alabama. Literally nobody comes here.
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Unless they want moonshine......
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That's been a bug up my ass with Neal as well. I think the early 2000's with Transatlantic at The Middle East was the last time he was in the Boston area.
You know, I have wondered whether our heathen reputation has something to do with it.
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That's right.
I saw him in DC last time and it was worth it. And I'll propably do it again, if the timing works out.
Let me know if you'd be interested in doing a road trip.
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That's been a bug up my ass with Neal as well. I think the early 2000's with Transatlantic at The Middle East was the last time he was in the Boston area.
You know, I have wondered whether our heathen reputation has something to do with it.
Then shame on him since Jesus went to the secular even if his inspired one person. He should be spreading the good word to us non believers.
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:D :D :D, he's coming to Boulder!! The rest is up: https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/tour-dates/
I'll definitely be going to that show.
We should organize a little meetup, especially if Dylan will be there too! Any other Coloradans in da house? I'm obsessively checking the site to see if they're on sale yet.
Sounds fine with me. I did just order a ticket for the Center Balcony section. I was almost in the very last balcony row last show and the view was fine but I'm looking forward to be up a little bit more.
Cool. We sat in the front of the balcony last time, which was great, but I decided to change it up and buy a seat up front this time so I can grab at his crot...I mean, have a different view.
I may also go to Madison to see him, just for shits and giggles, and to see my friend in Milwaukee.
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That's right.
I saw him in DC last time and it was worth it. And I'll propably do it again, if the timing works out.
Let me know if you'd be interested in doing a road trip.
Oh yeah, definitely interested. I'm going to have to fiddle around with some scheduling things though and given that it's a Tuesday night, my chances aren't great
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Ooh Milwaukee or Chicago.
Choices, choices, choices.. Probably will end up being Chicago since commuting up to Milwaukee after work will be a bit of a bitch.
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So, I'm thinking about going to Helsinki concert but I'm not really familiar with SW live performance. Do you recommend to go to watch him? I liked Raven and the new song but the older Wilson's solo material have just been meh. Is it worth it?
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back-2-back nights in Chicago, and no show in Minneapolis. That seems to have happened once or twice before ::)
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So, I'm thinking about going to Helsinki concert but I'm not really familiar with SW live performance. Do you recommend to go to watch him? I liked Raven and the new song but the older Wilson's solo material have just been meh. Is it worth it?
SW put on one of the best shows I've ever seen in terms of quality. I think the one show that I've seen that beats it would have to be Roger Waters' WALL Tour.
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I could easily see him playing Charlotte or Raleigh/Durham, or even Asheville (PT has played there before, I think - or it could have been SW solo). But whatever.
It's weird how certain artists seem to make a consistent bend around certain areas. Neal Morse seems to have an aversion for the Northeast, no matter what project he is in. He will make it up to CT, and then either turn around or move on to Canada.
It's similar to almost any Canadian tour any band or artist does, where they seem to forget that anything east of Quebec exists.
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So, I'm thinking about going to Helsinki concert but I'm not really familiar with SW live performance. Do you recommend to go to watch him? I liked Raven and the new song but the older Wilson's solo material have just been meh. Is it worth it?
I bet the setlist will focus on Hand... and Raven, since those two albums are newer, and even the older songs might come to life and sound better played by this band. (note: I haven't seen SW live, but I regret missing the show in Helsinki in 2013)
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So, I'm thinking about going to Helsinki concert but I'm not really familiar with SW live performance. Do you recommend to go to watch him? I liked Raven and the new song but the older Wilson's solo material have just been meh. Is it worth it?
SW put on one of the best shows I've ever seen in terms of quality. I think the one show that I've seen that beats it would have to be Roger Waters' WALL Tour.
Wow. You impressed me.
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I could easily see him playing Charlotte or Raleigh/Durham, or even Asheville (PT has played there before, I think - or it could have been SW solo). But whatever.
It's weird how certain artists seem to make a consistent bend around certain areas. Neal Morse seems to have an aversion for the Northeast, no matter what project he is in. He will make it up to CT, and then either turn around or move on to Canada.
It's similar to almost any Canadian tour any band or artist does, where they seem to forget that anything east of Quebec exists.
As someone who lives in a small 100 000 person city that is a 9 hour drive from the closest Canadian city with over 100 000 people, we never get shows that aren't from either current artists I have no interest in or washed up 70s/80s groups. :lol I was lucky enough to have Beach House visit us a while back though!
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Is anyone going to the Harrisburg, PA show? I have a family friend who lives up there and wouldn't mind going as it's on a Saturday.
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Wow, after I got my Glenside tickets I stopped paying attention, but I can't believe he's actually playing Harrisburg as well. I'd be tempted to sell my tickets and get one for Harrisburg, but that date is on a work weekend for me, so I gotta stick with the Thursday night show.
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Wow, I'm surprised that SW's playing 2 nights at the Best Buy Theater. I'm really glad that I'll be able to make it to both nights. I actually go to school in the Manhattan area, so I can actually get my tickets at their box office (just like I did last time on TRTRTS Tour) the day they go on sale after my class ends at noon on Friday. Never thought that I'd imagine seeing SW live twice in the same year much less two nights in a row, so I'm ecstatic! :metal
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Realized they're doing reserved seating at the Warfield, a rarity. The only other show I saw there (of many) that did reserved was King Crimson. Guess I gotta pick up tix before I'm stuck in the corner.
On a side note, I'm getting a serious music boner for this album.
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Anyone have a sense of when tickets will go on sale for most venues?
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Okay, so, I just watched this performance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDJks7cwSGc) of Raider II. I've heard that song before, but just by watching that video my mind blew up. What a musicianship, what a song, fuck yeah.
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Anyone have a sense of when tickets will go on sale for most venues?
I think that's actually the call of the venue. The Boston show has been on sale for quite some time now.
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I noticed that several of the shows are already on sale but it doesn't say so on his website, so I would check the venue page.
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On a side note, I'm getting a serious music boner for this album.
I thought I felt something.
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Okay, so, I just watched this performance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDJks7cwSGc) of Raider II. I've heard that song before, but just by watching that video my mind blew up. What a musicianship, what a song, fuck yeah.
I think i now love the song more than before. Astonishing performance. You know, it made myself realise how fucking weird the music is, yet somehow is totally amazing.
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Okay, so, I just watched this performance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDJks7cwSGc) of Raider II. I've heard that song before, but just by watching that video my mind blew up. What a musicianship, what a song, fuck yeah.
I think i now love the song more than before. Astonishing performance. You know, it made myself realise how fucking weird the music is, yet somehow is totally amazing.
That's the only rendition of this song I've been listening to for the last half of the year I think. Yeah, it's amazing.
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I love when Steven's voice went harsh. We need more of that.
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I don't think SW will ever write a better epic than Raider II to be honest. Anesthetize would be a close second, but Raider II is in many ways his finest achievement IMO. He has several shorter and more simple songs that I adore and would rank as high, but in terms of being a true progressive rock epic, Raider II is pretty much the top of the top.
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Pretty much. Considering the fact that that single song has almost every aspect of his writing: creepiness, lalalas, ambient, heavy stuff and shiver inducing moments.
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It doesn't have pop elements though.
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It doesn't have pop elements though.
Well, I did not write "almost every element" randomly. Although the song is kinda catchy. Just kinda. Nah.
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It's a creepy catch. So typical of him.
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Maybe his best "epic," but probably not his best song.
Anyway, I'm still debating on going to Wisconsin and leaning towards probably...
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according to Marco's Facebook, he and Guthrie won't be on the US leg of the tour? ???
I wonder what the conflict is, and who SW will have replace them?
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Oh man, that sucks. I thought they were gonna be on for at least part of it? But I do remember someone posting about The Aristocrats touring too.
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Ouch! That's a damn shame...
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MIEK POTRYON!
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No Guthrie? Crap.
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I'm more bummed about no Marco. He's so dreamy. I hope The Aristocrats come back to Denver!
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Kinda hard to figure which one will be missed more. Govan is frikkin sick, and Marco is just insane to watch. I had front row last tour and was pretty much fixated on him the whole show. I'm sure SW will find a more than suitable substitute though.
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according to Marco's Facebook, he and Guthrie won't be on the US leg of the tour? ???
I wonder what the conflict is, and who SW will have replace them?
I heard this too, sucks :( I don't think I'd go SW without Guthrie and Marco.
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I'm debating whether or not to go now, but may go anyway as it gives me an excuse for a weekend in Philly. :)
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according to Marco's Facebook, he and Guthrie won't be on the US leg of the tour? ???
I wonder what the conflict is, and who SW will have replace them?
I heard this too, sucks :( I don't think I'd go SW without Guthrie and Marco.
Same boat here. I think SW will go with Chad Wackerman on drums as he did in the previous tour. I wasn't impressed by Nico when he toured on the Grace and Insurgentes tour. Or maybe John Wesley again as he did at the beginning of the Grace for Drowning tour...He is familiar with a lot of the SW solo music.
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Damn... Marco was the highlight of the first SW show I went to. He really demands, and deserves, full attention.
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i really wish this was made clear before the tickets went on sale, as Marco and Guthrie were half the reason I was excited for this show. Ive never seen SW so obviously I'm excited to see hm and hear his music, but $70 is a lot for a ticket where half the band I want to see isn't actually participating in the tour. this whole tour announcement has been kind of a clusterfuck, hopefully the album and show makes up for the lack of info and clarification
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Most of the promotion for the whole album so far has been off-par. Releasing a song onto iTunes only and not announcing it anywhere. Shows going on sale without any announcements.
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Considering his band is technically a bunch of musicians for hire, I don't really care too much about what band he takes with him on tour, even if it seems he will bring the studio band for the EU part. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, these are all great musicians, but this is SW's show and as far as I'm concerned, anyone who isn't SW is replaceable in this band. I saw him once with Guthrie on guitars and I saw him once with Niko, and it made no difference at all IMO.
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fair enough, but i love both guthrie and marco, and have never seen guthrie live before so I'm disappointed i won't be able to see them at this show
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Yeah, I definitely don't subscribe to the "whatever, it's still SW" camp. Marco and Guthrie add a LOT to the show.
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Yeah, I definitely don't subscribe to the "whatever, it's still SW" camp. Marco and Guthrie add a LOT to the show.
I'll second this.
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I'll miss Marco but I'm excited to see who else Wilson is able to get to fill his place. I'd love to see Chad Wackerman fill in for Marco like he did a few times last tour. I'm a big fan of Wackerman's work while he played for Zappa so I'd love to see him doing this material. But I'm sure he'll find an awesome replacement regardless.
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Wackerman was alright when I saw him with SW in LA... but Guthrie... geeze... Those are some big shoes to fill.
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Wackerman was alright when I saw him with SW in LA... but Guthrie... geeze... Those are some big shoes to fill.
Yea Guthrie is no joke.
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Marco's a lot of fun to watch, but when Wilson played in Tampa last time (and Marco couldn't make it), I didn't really miss him. Guthrie is a different story altogether, though. In the end it's Steven's show so I'm sure he'll find someone good.
Also, I know I'm in the great minority when I say this but to voice the unpopular opinion, I absolutely loathe Raider II. For me, it's easy one of his worst songs he's ever written and I find it a bloated, dull mess. I'm not ashamed to say that both times I saw him tour and he inevitably played it, I found it a good time to hit the bathroom and check my messages.
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Marco's a lot of fun to watch, but when Wilson played in Tampa last time (and Marco couldn't make it), I didn't really miss him. Guthrie is a different story altogether, though. In the end it's Steven's show so I'm sure he'll find someone good.
Also, I know I'm in the great minority when I say this but to voice the unpopular opinion, I absolutely loathe Raider II. For me, it's easy one of his worst songs he's ever written and I find it a bloated, dull mess. I'm not ashamed to say that both times I saw him tour and he inevitably played it, I found it a good time to hit the bathroom and check my messages.
-gasp-
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What do you mean by bloated?
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We can only dream about him playing that entire track on this tour as well.
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I probably need to give it more listens, but I don't like Raider that much either.
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Just popping in to drop the comment that IMHO, The Raven is the best album of the last 5 years.
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I would counter that by saying that Raven is my least favorite SW solo album and probably not even in my top100 for the last 5 years.
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Just popping in to drop the comment that IMHO, The Raven is the best album of the last 5 years.
Sorry Jimmy but I agree with Rumbo. I base that on what albums I tend to play more than others. I still love his other albums. To me, Raven is that amazing.
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I do like Raven, quite a bit actually. But I just don't rank it THAT high. I'll gladly give it some appreciation since it's pretty good. I believe it was somewhere around the nr.30 spot in my top100 albums for 2013. And that sounds low, but it was a pretty good year. So my comment on it not making top100 for the last 5 years is probably accurate. There has been loads of great albums recently.
Grace For Drowning would probably be in my top10, maybe even top5 for the last 5 years though. That album is pretty much perfect, something I think few SW/PT album comes up to. Most of them are great, but most of them also have a few duds. GfD, FOABP and maybe Stupid Dream are some exceptions for me. Those are just flawless.
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I think The Raven is probably my favorite solo album from Wilson
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From SW's FB:
I’m very happy to announce that I will be starting the Americas leg of the Hand. Cannot. Erase. tour with a show in Chile at the Teatro Cariola in Santiago on 8th May.
This will also be the first show with a changed band line up, as Guthrie Govan (Official) and Marco Minnemann will be departing at the end of the European tour to fulfill touring commitments with their own band The Aristocrats. These 2 guys were always going to be a very hard act to follow, but I’m very pleased to introduce two world class British musicians in the shape of Dave Kilminster on guitar, and Craig Blundell on drums.
Many of you will know that for the last 8 years Dave has been the principal guitar player in the Roger Waters band (if you saw The Wall show you will have seen him on top of the Wall playing the solo at the end of Comfortably Numb!), while Craig has primarily concentrated on being an international clinician for Premier Drum Co, Roland U.S. and and Paiste. Both are extraordinarily gifted musicians and I’m honoured to welcome them to the SW band.
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I am okay with this
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He'll start first with South America instead of the North? Is it Christmas already?
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Just popping in to drop the comment that IMHO, The Raven is the best album of the last 5 years.
Sorry Jimmy but I agree with Rumbo. I base that on what albums I tend to play more than others. I still love his other albums. To me, Raven is that amazing.
Yeah, the replay value of the album is particularly amazing.
Regarding the "in the top 30 of 2013", Zantera, err, how much music do you listen to on a given day?
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Just popping in to drop the comment that IMHO, The Raven is the best album of the last 5 years.
Sorry Jimmy but I agree with Rumbo. I base that on what albums I tend to play more than others. I still love his other albums. To me, Raven is that amazing.
Yeah, the replay value of the album is particularly amazing.
Regarding the "in the top 30 of 2013", Zantera, err, how much music do you listen to on a given day?
Probably 8-10 hours on average. Usually more. I usually squeeze in 4-5 new albums in a week, and I'm able to listen to all of them at least 5-6 times, plus I don't repeat listen as much as a lot of other people do, so I'm constantly searching for new things rather than listening to the same old. (But I still re-listen to the good stuff as well ofc)
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Just popping in to drop the comment that IMHO, The Raven is the best album of the last 5 years.
The Raven is one of my favorite albums of all time. Top 20 for sure.
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Just popping in to drop the comment that IMHO, The Raven is the best album of the last 5 years.
I probably agree with this. I can't think of any album since the start of 2010 that I love more.
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Just popping in to drop the comment that IMHO, The Raven is the best album of the last 5 years.
Sorry Jimmy but I agree with Rumbo. I base that on what albums I tend to play more than others. I still love his other albums. To me, Raven is that amazing.
Yeah, the replay value of the album is particularly amazing.
Regarding the "in the top 30 of 2013", Zantera, err, how much music do you listen to on a given day?
Probably 8-10 hours on average. Usually more. I usually squeeze in 4-5 new albums in a week, and I'm able to listen to all of them at least 5-6 times, plus I don't repeat listen as much as a lot of other people do, so I'm constantly searching for new things rather than listening to the same old. (But I still re-listen to the good stuff as well ofc)
Do you... have a job? :lol
Anyway, as much as I love Guthrie and Marco they are still ultimately replaceable in SW's band and I'm excited to see what these other guys bring to the table.
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Jackie, sounding more and more like an old fart! welcome to the club! :lol
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Just popping in to drop the comment that IMHO, The Raven is the best album of the last 5 years.
Sorry Jimmy but I agree with Rumbo. I base that on what albums I tend to play more than others. I still love his other albums. To me, Raven is that amazing.
Yeah, the replay value of the album is particularly amazing.
Regarding the "in the top 30 of 2013", Zantera, err, how much music do you listen to on a given day?
Probably 8-10 hours on average. Usually more. I usually squeeze in 4-5 new albums in a week, and I'm able to listen to all of them at least 5-6 times, plus I don't repeat listen as much as a lot of other people do, so I'm constantly searching for new things rather than listening to the same old. (But I still re-listen to the good stuff as well ofc)
Do you... have a job? :lol
I don't, so I guess that helps. :P Also I think my approach to music just makes it a different situation for me. I listen to so much music, and after I broadened my horizons and went outside of Prog, I've gotten a very different perspective on things, and even bands like PT who I used to hold in such high regards are not as special anymore, and have lost some charm. Some people either have limited time or they just prefer staying within their wheelhouse of music, and I don't look down at those people in any way. It's a matter of what you prefer, and in the same way that I myself prefer to explore and always hear new things, there are people who just stick to what they know and love, and I don't think any of it is right or wrong, it's an individual thing.
I think if I had been the same person I was 6-7 years ago when I really lived & breathed almost 100% progressive rock, I would have hailed Raven as one of the masterpieces of the last few years. But having changed and having a wider range of music to choose from now, my perspective is just different. And this is just my own perspective I'm referring to. I hope it doesn't come off as disrespectful to the people here who do love the album more than me. You all have your reasons for loving it so much, so my example was just for me personally.
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Just speaking for me personally: I too went through a stage where I was listening to 50 albums a year but after a while I stopped enjoying it. It's sort of like that saying "If you have two quarterbacks you really have none". To me there's a point where you're taking in too much.
That's just my experience with it though. I know some people who need new stuff constantly.
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That's how it is for me, yeah. I will listen to just about anything if it's well done (and that's why my usual playlists go from prog to Pomplamoose to German rap to Ben Folds), but I also can tell pretty quickly when I won't like something. If I listened to 4-5 new albums a week, I would subject myself to a lot of crappy music.
It would also become one big blur for me.
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Just speaking for me personally: I too went through a stage where I was listening to 50 albums a year but after a while I stopped enjoying it. It's sort of like that saying "If you have two quarterbacks you really have none". To me there's a point where you're taking in too much.
That's just my experience with it though. I know some people who need new stuff constantly.
I'm somewhere in between, but probably closer to Jimmy. I definitely get "new music fatigue", but I also like to explore an absolute ton of new music as well. If I like a band or artist at all, chances are I'll check out their new material. And I like a lot of different styles of music, so there is a lot of new music for me to check out.
I think where I differ from Jimmy though is that I don't feel like this has particularly diluted my interest in styles or bands that I loved before. Maybe a little bit, but I don't feel that I've moved away at all from the metal and prog rock that I used to mostly listen to 5-10 years ago, more that I've added to it.
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I wouldn't listen to that much new music a year even if I had the opportunity.
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Agreed, hef. It's too much.
Jackie, sounding more and more like an old fart! welcome to the club! :lol
:lol, thanks bruh. I really am one of you at heart.
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Just popping in to drop the comment that IMHO, The Raven is the best album of the last 5 years.
I probably agree with this. I can't think of any album since the start of 2010 that I love more.
I probably got a pack of about six albums at the top. Raven is surely in that club.
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Just popping in to drop the comment that IMHO, The Raven is the best album of the last 5 years.
I probably agree with this. I can't think of any album since the start of 2010 that I love more.
I probably got a pack of about six albums at the top. Raven is surely in that club.
Looking at my list, Raven holds the fourth place among the albums released in 2010 - 2014, and since quite a lot of amazing music was released in these five years, it's a damn fine position.
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I think that Raven is really cool, and I like its conception, with that I mean doing 70's-styled-prog with some modern twists, but that's also the same thing that bothers me about that record: it feels pretty safe, in my opinion.
But still, it's :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I want to conduct a "poll". Looking at the song titles, which song from HCE are you most intrigued to hear?
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Based on the videos on YT, Routine is one, Home Invasion and Ancestral based on the length. But I look forward to the poppy tunes too :biggrin:
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Home Invasion and Regret #9 are the most intriguing titles IMO.
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Ancestral, definitely.
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Listening to Get All You Deserve at work right now. I absolutely love Steven's voice in a live setting
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Steven's hand gestures make the show. The way he moves and the way he checks out what every musician is doing makes him look like a sort of crooked puppeteer, I really like that.
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Oh yeah, it's a lot of fun to watch the guy. He does act like a puppeteer. ;D
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Is it me, or is he a bit more "active" on stage now compared to PT gigs? Moving about and doing the hand gestures and whatnot.
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Prog master Steven Wilson has debunked the ongoing rumors about Porcupine Tree reunion being set to occur in 2016. Confirming that he's aware of the stories circulating the web, Steven told Face Culture, "One of the funny things about the internet is how quickly something that somebody just makes up, a lie, can become a rumor, can become a fact."
He further explained, "It was just some guy - I've never met him, he pretended he knew me - and he said something like, 'Steven Wilson has told me that the next project is gonna be a Porcupine Tree album. He just made it up! I never met him!"
However, the musician further noted that he is "not ruling out going back and doing another record with Porcupine Tree one day," adding how "if I did do it, it would have to be more like a side project to what I do now. Because why would I go back? Why would I want to go back to a band now?
"But at the same time, Porcupine Tree has a really special place in my heart and in my career, and I think we really do have a distinctive sound when we work together."
Sparking a glimmer of hope for the fans, Steven added, "I'm definitely not ruling it out and I think probably we will make another record. Whether it'll be the last or not I don't know."
He concluded, "But right now, I can say I have no plans to go back to the band."
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/porcupine_tree_reunion_not_happening_yet_steven_wilson_says.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/porcupine_tree_reunion_not_happening_yet_steven_wilson_says.html)
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That "Prog Master" title made me cringe. Anyhow, I watched the video and while I am not surprised at all, I was kinda sad hearing how SW talked about PT. I've said it before in the PT thread, and my honest opinion has always been that PT ended with their special anniversary shows, and that SW would never go back. Even if he leaves the window open, it makes me genuinely sad that PT has dropped down from being the main project, to a small side project. The way he talks about it just bums me out.
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I agree Zantera.
I like SW and his projects but PT was where the magic happened IMO.
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Well, that's pretty sad. It's also disrespectful towards us fans and towards himself, he's defining what made him success "a side project", snobbing all over PT albums. I love Steven but he totally pisses me off sometimes.
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So he should pay no regard to what he enjoys and the kind of music he likes making, and only do what you want him to?
Honestly I don't know why people continue to ask him about PT, he must be getting sick of it by now, even though he's made his position on it very clear.
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When should a fan base dictate what his musical heart desires? I love PT but if this is where his heart is then I'm with him on the ride.
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I mean, I'm not saying ME WANTS PT!!!!!1!1!!
I just didn't like the way he talked about the band, snobbing it. The solo stuff is top notch, so no complaints in that sense.
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I don't think anyone blames SW for doing what he wants to do, but there are many different ways he could have handled this, and IMO this just makes me frustrated and bummed out. I also don't buy the fact that he has the rights to be pissed off because people keep asking him, because he has himself to blame for that. SW (and the others) have dangled that hope in front of the fans for 5 years now. "We will probably make a new album, just not now" and it keeps the fans asking. If SW went out 5 years ago and said "PT is over for now. It was a fun and long ride, but we want to take some time and do other things now" it would have been more of a final thing.
The way he talked about PT was like someone talking about their ex husband/ex wife which ended badly and left a really bad taste in their mouth. The way SW said "Why would I want to go back to that?" was just kinda sad. I don't really care what SW does as long as I enjoy the result, but after 20 years of Porcupine Tree, it just felt like his comments in this video were very negative.
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He's just being frank. He's not saying it was a horrible thing, he's saying "Why would I go back to a band when I can control everything?" He's not "snobbing" them by saying it would be a side project (and he never said it was before), he's saying that it would not be his primary focus like it used to be. Nobody is disrespecting anybody; he's just saying he's not going to compromise and do what other people want him to do.
I honestly think when his dad died a few years ago it changed his perspective on things a bit. I noticed a big difference in his attitude and actions after that, starting with the day he came back to the Blackfield tour when I saw them in Portland (some of you may remember they had to cancel a few dates before that because of his dad) and he looked more alive/active on stage than I had ever seen him. Maybe just my imagination but I think, more than ever, he's wanting to do what makes him happy because life is short.
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He's just being frank. He's not saying it was a horrible thing, he's saying "Why would I go back to a band when I can control everything?"
There can be lots of reasons that lots of people might want to do that. Saying "that's not what I want to be doing right now" is one thing, but "why would I want to do that?" has strong undertones of "why on earth would I do something so ridiculous?"
I'm not suggesting that's what he was actually saying, and indeed he did follow that up with some positive comments on PT as well. But I can totally understand why some people would be a bit bummed by that comment.
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Is it possible the Porcupine Tree guys can replace him? I know that doesn't make much sense as SW is/was the creative brains of PT, but this kinda reminds me of the Portnoy situation with DT. Portnoy wanted to explore other projects and take an indefinite hiatus, but the DT guys wanted to keep things going. Maybe they should consider finding a replacement while SW is off still doing his solo thing. Queensryche was able to replace Geoff Tate to moderate success so far. Fates Warning did Arch/Matheos a few years back when Ray Alder wasn't feeling the material that Jim Matheos had been working on. Maybe PT can consider a new vocalist. The band is too good to be put on a back burner any longer.
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Steven in Porcupine Tree isn't really comparable to Portnoy in DT, in my opinion.
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Replacing SW in Porcupine Tree would be like replacing Trent Reznor in Nine Inch Nails. Impossible.
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To be fair, the wording of the original article was that the journalist had heard a rumor from "a source close to the band", not SW himself. Either way, even if there was a PT reunion in the works, it would make zero sense for Steven to announce it on the eve of a new solo album release that he's about to promote, because then everyone would be asking about it instead of the record.
He's just being frank. He's not saying it was a horrible thing, he's saying "Why would I go back to a band when I can control everything?"
There can be lots of reasons that lots of people might want to do that. Saying "that's not what I want to be doing right now" is one thing, but "why would I want to do that?" has strong undertones of "why on earth would I do something so ridiculous?"
This.
Is it possible the Porcupine Tree guys can replace him?
I could see the other guys forming a new band together (maybe with John Wesley on guitar and vox) and playing PT songs live, but there's no way they could carry on as Porcupine Tree without Steven, because he started the whole band and wrote the majority of the music.
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As much as I love the other guys in PT, no way. Personally I think what made PT so special is the contributions of everyone. Someone like Colin Edwin might not be a technical mastermind bass-player like Myung or Beggs, but his playing really added to the magic of PT. None of their names have any real gravitas you know? Portnoy was a big figure of DT, but he was the drummer. SW is the frontman, the person who created the band and so replacing him would completely change the tone of the band. It's like a Pain of Salvation without Daniel Gildenlöw, or The Dear Hunter without Casey Crescenzo. Again, I love the other guys, but it's not like people will be flocking to see PT without SW.
What slightly bums me out is that SW replaced this really great group of musicians and just seems very dismissive of how special they are. I've seen and heard several interviews of SW talking about his new solo band, and how he is able to make music he would never be able to write in PT, and that these are the best musicians in the field. I can understand where he is coming from on a pure stylistic direction, since this is his solo project, he could write a reggae or techno album if he wanted. In PT that wouldn't fly because the members are more on an equal ground. There was a time when SW didn't really seem to care that much about the technical skill, but rather how the music sounded as a result. Now it just feels like technical skill is the only thing that matters.
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They will form a new band without him and call it ... Armadillo Shrubbery.
And if they don't, that's what my next PT tribute band is called.
In terms of his wording, I actually really appreciate his frankness. Because indeed, why on earth should he now, or in the foreseeable future, abandon his solo work? At least to me, he seems to have risen to new heights with his solo stuff. I also have to say, the last few PT albums were getting a bit stale.
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I think you bring up an interesting point in that PT were getting stale. The Incident was a very "by the numbers" album, and while some people really loved it when it was released, it seems the general appreciation for the album has faded more and more since its release. Most of the various ratings-sites has The Incident lower than most PT albums, with the exception of OTSOL and maybe UTD. Not an awful album, just a bit stale.
So I think a break from PT was needed. But with that said, I kinda feel the same about SW. Very nice trajectory going upwards with Insurgentes and Grace, and then came Raven which felt similar to The Incident in terms of knowing what you're gonna get. The new album looks interesting though, and he has sounded inspired when talking about it, so hopefully it's a return to form for him.
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, and then came Raven which felt similar to The Incident in terms of knowing what you're gonna get.
(https://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/179/e/0/chef_bot___does_not_compute__by_giframa-d555wi8.gif)
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:lol
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I kind of agree, I think Raven is awesome, but not that original - the only thing I've found original was The Watchmaker's 7/8 transition, you know the
dun dun dun
dun dun dun
dun dun dun
dun dun dun
GNK. GNK. GNK.
GNK. GNK. GNK.
GNK. GNK. GNK.
GNK. GNK. GNK.
And also, the lyrics.
But the goal of the album was to recreate the 70's atmosphere, and it came out extremely well.
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I kind of agree, I think Raven is awesome, but not that original - the only thing I've found original was The Watchmaker's 7/8 transition, you know the
dun dun dun
dun dun dun
dun dun dun
dun dun dun
GNK. GNK. GNK.
GNK. GNK. GNK.
GNK. GNK. GNK.
GNK. GNK. GNK.
You mean the Deliverance bit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0T-TPXS1M0#t=3m3s)? ;D
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I knew that that reminded me of something
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and then came Raven which felt similar to The Incident in terms of knowing what you're gonna get.
lol no
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I kind of agree, I think Raven is awesome, but not that original - the only thing I've found original was The Watchmaker's 7/8 transition, you know the
dun dun dun
dun dun dun
dun dun dun
dun dun dun
GNK. GNK. GNK.
GNK. GNK. GNK.
GNK. GNK. GNK.
GNK. GNK. GNK.
You mean the Deliverance bit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0T-TPXS1M0#t=3m3s)? ;D
To be honest, that's probably the most common 7/8 rhythm out there.
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Of course, in terms of technicality, it's a common thing, but I mean the mood shift and the creepiness afterwards.
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"Time has left it's curse upon this place". Goosebumps every time.
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The whole song is just shiver inducing in every aspect. Might be my favorite from Raven :hefdaddy
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There's a new SW interview by Face Culture up on their youtube channel, and the original source for the video where he spoke about the PT rumors.
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYX_sEeAV9Y
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkN_xcehtrA
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I find it kind of sad that the other guys will constantly live under PT's shadow (check out Gavin's upcoming solo record), while SW makes it big with his solo project.
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"Time has left it's curse upon this place". Goosebumps every time.
Especially that "Asian body shared". Mysterious, and creepy.
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Just checked out the tickets for the two NY shows at Best Buy Theatre. They are doing seating, not standing? Bleh. I went there during the Grace for Drowning tour and it was all standing.
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I find it kind of sad that the other guys will constantly live under PT's shadow (check out Gavin's upcoming solo record), while SW makes it big with his solo project.
The teaser for Gavin's album sounded really interesting IMO. I think it could be a nice release to fill a small part of the void of the people missing PT.
After watching the new SW interview I was happy to hear him talk about the new album, and how it will be a more modern sounding album. That to me signals that hopefully he is leaving the 70's thing behind, and combined with the other news of female vocals, no flute and just a quick look at the tracklist, it feels like this could be a very different album. Personally I would love for him to leave the progressive rock element all together, but since it's part of his DNA, this seems to be the closest we will get. The story behind the album is fascinating, and I hope he does it justice.
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I find it kind of sad that the other guys will constantly live under PT's shadow (check out Gavin's upcoming solo record), while SW makes it big with his solo project.
The teaser for Gavin's album sounded really interesting IMO. I think it could be a nice release to fill a small part of the void of the people missing PT.
After watching the new SW interview I was happy to hear him talk about the new album, and how it will be a more modern sounding album. That to me signals that hopefully he is leaving the 70's thing behind, and combined with the other news of female vocals, no flute and just a quick look at the tracklist, it feels like this could be a very different album. Personally I would love for him to leave the progressive rock element all together, but since it's part of his DNA, this seems to be the closest we will get. The story behind the album is fascinating, and I hope he does it justice.
Yeah, I'm also looking forward to listening to that album. That being said, PT was Gavin's big boom as a drummer, and he's still stuck as PT's drummer. He's done a nice job as one of KC's drummers, but I can't see him having actual growth in the industry.
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Just like with MP, drummers rise and fall with the band they play in. You can be the best drummer in the world, if people don't like the songwriting, nobody will care.
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So I finally heard the title track, and I love it. Really excited if this is representative of the album.
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On the one hand, yes, Steven Wilson has every right to decide what path his career will take going forward, and he absolutely should do what he wants to do.
On the other, he seems weirdly dismissive of his former bandmates; almost disrespectful honestly. I mean, we're talking about three talented individuals who he played with for years and created a lot of great music with. People with whom he was a part of something really unique and special.
If he sees that as being in the past, that's okay. If he's feeling much more into the whole solo thing, that's just him being honest. Saying things like "why would I ever go back to that?" is pretty damn flippant though. Even if he doesn't intend for some of his statements to come off so disrespectfully, they absolutely do, and he should maybe be a bit more aware of that.
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I disagree. I think PT had grown to a point where it was no longer SW- 100% dominated from a writing standpoint, and since he is obviously someone who likes to have full creative control, keeping at it with his solo career is the better way to go at this point. Him saying, "Why would I go back to that?" is more a reflection of him wanting to maintain full creative control than it is being dismissive of his former bandmates.
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People who interpret that comment as a slight towards the rest of PT need to have their heads checked.
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Well, I get that some want their Porcupine Tree back, and hell so would I, but I respect the right of the artist to pursue his or her true artistic vision. And I seriously doubt this is what SW intended to do. After The Incident tour, when he started working on GFD, I doubt his intention was to chuck PT to the side, but he made that album, got a band together for the live tour and had such a great time, he decided to do another solo album with that band (The Raven), and here we are. He is obviously having a blast with it all, so he is supposed to throw it all aside for PT, or lie to the press and us and say that longs to return to a real band? Of course not. And, again, what he said was not a slight to PT or any of the members; it was merely him all but saying how much he loves having full control of his artistic creativity. How can you not love that?
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The rumor about the break-up/hiatus was that SW had written some material post-Incident that he showed the other guys. They weren't extremely happy, and wanted to re-work the songs and make it more a collaborative thing, and SW wasn't ready to give up that much control. A rumor is a rumor, but it would seem logical with everything else we know. And it's entirely up to SW. If he doesn't want to give up control, then that's his decision.
I agree with Kev that PT had grown more into a direction where SW wasn't 100% of the band, and I think it showed particularly on The Incident. Similar with how Aviv Geffen's role in Blackfield had gotten bigger, and SW left that project as well. SW wants to be the guy in control, and as a musician (although nowhere near the same level) myself, I can understand him, and I'm kinda the same way. It's admirable because if he pulls it off, he is the one who will get the appreciation, but if he fails to deliver, he also has to hold the responsibility.
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SW wants to be the guy in control, and as a musician (although nowhere near the same level) myself, I can understand him, and I'm kinda the same way. It's admirable because if he pulls it off, he is the one who will get the appreciation, but if he fails to deliver, he also has to hold the responsibility.
I can understand wanting control too. But after having written and having complete control over my own music alone for like 7 years, and having recently formed a band, it's really really fun and a relief almost to share the responsibility of creating music, so I personally wouldn't give that up. But then on the other hand, maybe it works both ways. Maybe after having spent all those years in a band, he felt that it was nice to do things on his own.
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On the one hand, yes, Steven Wilson has every right to decide what path his career will take going forward, and he absolutely should do what he wants to do.
On the other, he seems weirdly dismissive of his former bandmates; almost disrespectful honestly. I mean, we're talking about three talented individuals who he played with for years and created a lot of great music with. People with whom he was a part of something really unique and special.
If he sees that as being in the past, that's okay. If he's feeling much more into the whole solo thing, that's just him being honest. Saying things like "why would I ever go back to that?" is pretty damn flippant though. Even if he doesn't intend for some of his statements to come off so disrespectfully, they absolutely do, and he should maybe be a bit more aware of that.
Exactly; the "why on earth" comment makes it sound like he thinks a PT reunion is the most ridiculous idea he's ever heard. He could've said it in a more diplomatic way, like "I may get back together with the PT guys at some point down the line, but right now I'm enjoying the freedom of being a solo artist."
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Yeah, thinking about it, in the end the problem is the way Steven expressed about the whole thing, he could've been more.. I don't know, gentle? No, I don't know if gentle is the way he should've been. Well, whatever.
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First review: https://prog.teamrock.com/reviews/2015-01-30/steven-wilson-hand-cannot-erase
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You have to register to read the review? To hell with that. Sites like that suck.
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You have to register to read the review? To hell with that. Sites like that suck.
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Someone please copy and paste it here.
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Done XBOX
Spoiler alert:
Inspired by a tragic true story, Wilson’s fourth solo album explores 21st century loneliness, and reveals fresh new depths to his musical character.
As the old adage has it, truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
Not least with the latest starting point for Steven Wilson’s fourth album. Forget the ever lengthening shadows, the haunted houses and the ghost and ghouls that made up 2013’s The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories) – the spectres that form Hand. Cannot. Erase. are very real indeed, like a bad dream from which you can’t wake up as you realise that you’ve been conscious all along.
Wilson’s no stranger to the dark stuff, he has an eye for the melancholic and a taste of the macabre, but no one can be surprised by the impact that the story of Joyce Carol Vincent (as realised in the Carol Morley’s acclaimed documentary Dreams Of A Life) had on the songwriter when he first stumbled upon it in 2011.
He was, he says, “completely spellbound” by the film. The complex story of the circumstances making up Vincent’s death is truly the stuff of nightmares. A high-flyer who suffered at the hands of an abusive partner, she went on to become a recluse living in a bedsit in north London, estranged from her family and friends. She died there and then, through a series of extraordinary and tragic circumstances, wasn’t discovered until almost three years later, in January 2006. She was found, almost skeletal, in the flickering light of her still-functioning TV, next to some partially wrapped presents she’d been preparing for Christmas.
“This planted the seed,” says Wilson, “and the rest of the concept ballooned from there. The story seemed so symptomatic of the modern world, the idea that – even in this age of social media – you could be surrounded by millions of people on the other side of walls and yet still be completely isolated. I used Joyce Vincent as a starting point, a vessel to explore all these subjects, and invented a fictional character.”
As a jumping-off point it’s precariously high, and it would be understandable if Wilson had chosen instead to continue telling horror stories in the dark, but for a man whose head was irrevocably turned at the age of eight by both Pink Floyd’s The Dark Side Of The Moon and Donna Summer’s Love To Love You Baby, each with their own intractable arc, standing still creatively was never going to be enough.
Hand. Cannot. Erase. is as expansive as Wilson might have ever been and more concise than he’s ever been before. Case in point, the almost fleeting title track – a relatively scant four minutes plus – which, with its lyrical phrasing and staccato melody could have easily featured (as strange as it may sound), on the Manic Street Preachers’ This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours album. It’s a hitherto unseen side to Wilson’s musical personality and a welcome one too.
Purists shouldn’t fret though, Wilson is as singularly uninhibited as he’s ever been on Hand. Cannot. Erase. He utilises Israeli singer Ninet Tayeb to thrilling effect on the undulating and sprawling Routine – in typical Wilson fashion, he tried the same song with four different singers before settling on her vocal. Elsewhere, there’s a choir and, perhaps most chillingly, a remote female voice who occasionally carries the storyline along in near colourless monologues set against spiralling washes of music that are as much looping, ambient dance as they are anything to do with progressive rock.
That said, Wilson and his band (Marco Minnemann, Guthrie Govan, Nick Beggs and Adam Holzman) lean heavily on Rush’s Jacob’s Ladder and The Camera Eye, not least in the co-joined opener First Regret/3 Years Older. There are also flourishes of 70s rock in the hard driven Ancestral, as fiercely overblown in parts as the lamenting Perfect Life is an exercise in defeated understatement, though both have an elegant charm all their own.
Happy Returns is the chilling denouement, sounding like one final phone call to the outside world before the shades are forever pulled down tight. Its high keening tone is the last refrain as night falls forever and the door is closed on a life ended in futility, lost and utterly alone, doomed to be shrouded by darkness for the next three years, Wilson’s wonderful elegiac soundtrack its fitting swansong.
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I feel like some (not all) of the people replying to what I said in here ignored 90% of my post.
I'm not saying SW should go back to Porcupine Tree. As much as I would like that, I absolutely respect his decision to focus on his solo material. I don't need him to keep teasing some remote chance that PT will get back together. If he were to say "Porcupine Tree is something that's behind me now, and I'm definitely going to stick with my solo career", that would be okay.
Whether or not PT will ever make another album together isn't the issue. It's how dismissive he seems to be about the band (and by extension, the other members of the band). "?" got what I was saying. SW is allowed to be done with PT if he wants to be. It's just disheartening to hear how he seems to view the band in retrospect.
There's a big difference between "we're not getting back together" and "why would I ever go back to that?", and he's a smart enough guy that he should know that.
I'm sorry, rumborak, if recognizing that different words mean different things means that I apparently need to have my head examined.
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Okay, but his exact words were, "Why would I want to go back to a band now?" He is not dismissing PT; he is dismissing the idea of going back to any band.
As for that review, wOOt! Bring it. :hat
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The funny thing is, I feel as if his current "solo" band has as much chemistry and togetherness as PT. In fact, I entertained the thought of this lineup becoming a full band, with a name and everything. Much the same way as PT started off as a solo moniker for SW then developed into a band.
And that review is awesome! Interesting comparison with the title track and one of my favourite non-prog albums.
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I think SW is just fed up with the constant asking and pestering about doing more with PT, after years of saying "this is what I want to do, not PT." He needs to be blunt to get the idea across. He even says that PT still has a close place in his heart, it simply just isn't in his interests. Which is fine. When you start doing something that isn't fun, the quality suffers. Steven Wilson sees that very clearly, and thus has consistently come out with some of the most high quality music throughout the years.
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But he has himself and the others to slightly blame for that. When you keep leading fans on for 5 years and constantly talk about "there will probably be another album", fans are gonna keep asking. If they had gone out after the anniversary shows in 2010 and said "this is it", I bet the amount of people asking would be much lower. Sure, there's always gonna be some nostalgic people who long for the old days, but the way SW and the others have handled this by constantly saying that it's not over and more music is in the future, they keep "teasing" the fans, and the fans keep asking as a result.
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I think SW is just fed up with the constant asking and pestering about doing more with PT, after years of saying "this is what I want to do, not PT." He needs to be blunt to get the idea across.
This. And I can't believe it's so hard for people to let it go finally.
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Steven follows his musical heart and that's all that should matter. None of us has any influence over him or his artistic views.
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New review (in French) https://www.lagrosseradio.com/rock/webzine-rock/chronique-rock/p10901-steven-wilson-hand-cannot-erase.html
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You have to register to read the review? To hell with that. Sites like that suck.
Don't bother with magazines like Prog anyway. "Reviews" from enthusiast press sites like that are always so predictable anyway.
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Music reviews in general has kinda worn off on me, because few have anything interesting to say. On one side you have people who are clearly blinded by fanboyism and always gives fantastic reviews for their favorite bands and never mention negative things, and on the other side you have people that are biased in a negative way and write something off before they have heard it.
Most of the pre-album release reviews are incredibly predictable, and are often just there to please the artist. "Thanks for letting us hear the album in advance, here's your good review". There's just too many reviews that talk about quality (which is just subjective in itself) rather than going into detail why they like or dislike something. I think that's why I love, and watch almost all reviews that The Needle Drop puts up on his Youtube. I don't really care if I agree or disagree with him when it comes to the rating on an album, but he is great at putting things in words that a lot of reviewers just can't. It's more interesting to learn why a reviewer liked or disliked something, than just hearing how good or bad something is.
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I tend to agree with you Zantera. I know it's been way too long since I've done a review, but I have always tried to point out interesting things and describe the music, along with simply stating what I liked and didn't like, to try and give people a sense of the album. That said I rarely ever read reviews, mainly because when an album is announced I either know I will buy it, or won't. It's only the occasional ones I'm unsure of that I'll look at reviews for.
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Any pre-release review is useless, yeah. It's just a circle-jerk between the magazine and the artist.
And even the ones written within a month of release are kinda useless, since it's often uber-fans with no perspective. After a month you start seeing honest reviews.
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Any pre-release review is useless, yeah. It's just a circle-jerk between the magazine and the artist.
And even the ones written within a month of release are kinda useless, since it's often uber-fans with no perspective. After a month you start seeing honest reviews.
Haha, I just received my review copy yesterday. Deadline to submit the review is Feb 21st. I'll take your words as a good reminder to be as objective as I can. I have to say, however, that it's for a webzine, and there's definitely no cirklejerking going on between us and SW.
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Show just got announced for us MN SW fans, tickets go on sale Friday:
May 7th, Varsity Theater, Minneapolis, MN
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yeah I'm rather surprised it happened, After both Chicago shows and Madison, but before Colorado.
Even without Guthrie and Marco, it is an "event" to look forward to..for me personally..just as long as there isn't some other guilt-ridden thing my gf will point towards to conflct (at least it's not her bday, nor her graduation which are both taking place in May).
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I really like that I don't have to drive down to Madison on a day I normally have band practice or a show and jsut wait the next day to drive a half hour away.
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yeah, that helps and will save time and money.
I also heard from my co-worker whose husband was involved in the promotion, it's a SEATED SHOW being seats, maybe tables too. Reminds me of when I saw The Dear Hunter there a few years ago.
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New review: https://www.themonolith.com/music/review-steven-wilson-hand-erase/
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Tickets for the DC show still haven't gone on sale... :-\
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOU_zWdhAoE
Music video for the track Perfect Life. To state it as nice as I possibly can . . . this track is not for me, hahah.
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I like it. Seems like an odd choice for a single though...
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Beautiful song! I know there's not a lot to it lyrically, but it must be remembered that this is only 4:43 of a 65-minute story. I'm sure it will be even better when it's heard in the context of the rest of the album.
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...and people say Steven is getting predictable.
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I think SW is predictable, or at least never surprise me anymore, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he usually delivers some pretty great music. :hat
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I'm with Randal, disappointing track. Had it just been the video and the music, it would be a boring but still beautiful enough concept. But that narration ruins it so hard. When Wilson's vocals comes in it's okay, but quickly lost me when I realized that he wasn't going to say anything else for the entire thing.
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Love the new song! Really loving this new sound Steven is doing, and I'm really pumped for the new album!
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Love the new song! Really loving this new sound Steven is doing, and I'm really pumped for the new album!
Me too, wow GREAT song!!!
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Not crazy about the narration, but it doesn't upset me either. Everything else about the song satisfies me though.
Music aside, the song sounds really good in my ears. I don't know shit about mastering, mixing, production or whatever, but I do know that this is the kind of high-quality sound that I'm used to with SW.
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Not crazy about the narration, but it doesn't upset me either.
Yep. I like the new sound SW is coming up with. Very different from the past albums.
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Liking the song so far. Nothing super amazing, but still enjoyable. It'll probably be much better in the context of the album.
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He always has these little twists in his music that I love and keeps my attention. With PT or solo, its still him but new and fresh.
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Personally, I'm not head over heels about the first two songs I've heard so far -- "Hand. Cannot. Erase" and "Perfect Life." But this is SW. I gotta hear it in the context of the full album and give it time. Everything he creates is generally amazing!
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I have listened to the album non-stop since I got the review copy a few days ago. Not going into details as I'm saving them for my review - it's quite a challenge to write a good review for this one - but from my perspective, people that liked The Raven or just Porcupine Tree for that matter don't have to fear that they won't like it based on the two released tracks. There's a lot more, and these tracks have their function in context of the record. I think some moments on the album will have lots of fans in tears of joy.
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Perfect Life sounds alright musically, but the narration and repetitive vocals don't do much for me. I guess it'll sound better in context of the album.
I also listened to the title-track on Youtube and found it very enjoyable. I like the more modern direction the album seems to be taking.
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I thought that was a pretty track. Excitement only grows these days.
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I thought that was a pretty track. Excitement. Only. Grows.
Fixed
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I thought that was a pretty track. Excitement. Only. Grows.
Fixed
Thank. You. Jay.
Can't believe I missed that :lol
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Not. A. Problem.
:heart
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Not a big fan of the spoken-word part, but it's still pretty good. Hopefully this is the least impressive track on the album.
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It sure seems odd for a single, but the excitement increased quite a bit! I wonder what it sounds like in context of the album.
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Good song. Pretty different for him. Can't wait to hear the rest. :hat
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I think I'm at a point where I'm not going to listen to another second of new material until I can hear it all together, as I'm sure it was meant to be experienced.
Again, so fucking stoked for this album.
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and tour!
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Seriously bro...
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And nothing better then seeing him at the place made for eargasms. The Berklee theater Of music.
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We got him at the Warfield, where DT has done there shows since SDOIT, always a good place.
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how can anyone not like the monologue? her voice is amazing, she doesn't say anything cringey, the music is interesting and a different direction for SW — i really don't understand what isn't likable about this song.
maybe i just have a thing for Max Richter-style ambient/narrative stuff.
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I love the 2000 seat arenas. Sonically, they are always great for music.
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how can anyone not like the monologue? her voice is amazing, she doesn't say anything cringey, the music is interesting and a different direction for SW — i really don't understand what isn't likable about this song.
maybe i just have a thing for Max Richter-style ambient/narrative stuff.
Yeah, I don't get it either. Actually, as great as Steven's melody lines are, I think the narration is my favorite part of the song, it's just beautiful.
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Just got tickets for the Philly show. Can't wait :metal
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Still have an extra ticket for Philly. If no one wants it I'll go to StubHub with it, but figured I'd make one last pitch here first.
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We've got him at the Wiltern. I haven't a clue on the acoustics there seeing as the only show I've seen there has been Cycle of Pain / Dope / SevenDust / Black Label Society.
That shit was loud.
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I think I'm at a point where I'm not going to listen to another second of new material until I can hear it all together, as I'm sure it was meant to be experienced.
Again, so fucking stoked for this album.
Yeah, I'm not listening til I get the album.
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how can anyone not like the monologue? her voice is amazing, she doesn't say anything cringey, the music is interesting and a different direction for SW — i really don't understand what isn't likable about this song.
maybe i just have a thing for Max Richter-style ambient/narrative stuff.
Same here. Although it gives me some kind of Blade Runner / noir feeling instead of the brightness that the video portrays. And indeed, her voice is great even when just talking. I just love that deep and sexy voice. If only more women spoke like that.
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The combination of that drum beat and the main line SW sings is very hypnotic. It's already stuck in my head after only two listens. :tup :tup
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New review for the album:
https://fdrmx.com/steven-wilson-hand-cannot-erase-album-review/ (https://fdrmx.com/steven-wilson-hand-cannot-erase-album-review/)
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Narration just seems like the easy way to go. "How do I tell this story through music? Too much work to turn it into actual lyrics... Narration!" Probably not how it went down, just how it feels to me.
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The combination of that drum beat and the main line SW sings is very hypnotic. It's already stuck in my head after only two listens. :tup :tup
Agreed. I'm really enjoying it. I think I'll listen again.
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Tickets purchased :metal
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I liked the tune, very different.
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I don't care if music is predictable as their's only so much keys to write in. It really comes down to Tone.
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We've got him at the Wiltern. I haven't a clue on the acoustics there seeing as the only show I've seen there has been Cycle of Pain / Dope / SevenDust / Black Label Society.
That shit was loud.
I saw King Crimson at the Wiltern and don't remember there being any problem with the sound... But it was over 20 years ago (shit time flies) so don't hold me to it :-).
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I just realized that Hand Cannot Erase is a mainstream-worthy pop song...
in 9/4. Oh Steven.
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I just realized that Hand Cannot Erase is a mainstream-worthy pop song...
in 9/4. Oh Steven.
Haha, great one!
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I haven't listened to either song yet, I just preordered the CD+DVD version in Burning Shed and I'll listen to it in full when it arrives (hopefully it won't be too long after the release date).
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Very cool song. Love it.
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I think Perfect Life will be AMAZING in context of the album. Strange as a single on its own. But following HCE and coming before one of the epics "Routine," it seems like it'll be super cool to listen to in the album.
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I bought tickets to Helsinki show! Yay!
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So, I made this, I don't know why but I did. I just adore this moment to death :hefdaddy
(https://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/sw-54d913dd1a206.gif)
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Good god, my shitty connection cannot handle that gif :lol
PS- Your avatar is the cover for Storm Corrosion II, right?
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Doing my best to stay away from the new songs. Listening to new songs individually before I check it out as a whole as always REALLY hurt my enjoyment of an album.
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Good god, my shitty connection cannot handle that gif :lol
PS- Your avatar is the cover for Storm Corrosion II, right?
That's actually the original cover
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30 second samples: https://rippletunes.com/album/Steven-Wilson/Hand-Cannot-Erase-Deluxe-Edition-/951623728/t0 (https://rippletunes.com/album/Steven-Wilson/Hand-Cannot-Erase-Deluxe-Edition-/951623728/t0)
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30 second samples: https://rippletunes.com/album/Steven-Wilson/Hand-Cannot-Erase-Deluxe-Edition-/951623728/t0 (https://rippletunes.com/album/Steven-Wilson/Hand-Cannot-Erase-Deluxe-Edition-/951623728/t0)
I knew it. I'm going to hate this album.
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While I listened to the full song, I will not listen to those 30-seconds snippets. I have found over the years that whoever chooses those snippets are absolute morons.
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While I listened to the full song, I will not listen to those 30-seconds snippets. I have found over the years that whoever chooses those snippets are absolute morons.
And again you are right for at least 5 of the snippets. :lol
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Is there somebody that chooses the snippets? I always thought they were automatic-generated.
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Yeah I'm not gonna bother with these. It's only a few more weeks anyway.
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First Regret/3 Years Older is streaming here starting at the 2:40 mark:
https://dprpradio.podbean.com/e/show-132-featuring-steven-wilson-handcannoterase/ (https://dprpradio.podbean.com/e/show-132-featuring-steven-wilson-handcannoterase/)
Edit: I wasn't too crazy about the title track or Perfect Life but 3 Years Older definitely got me excited again for the album. Amazing track.
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Wow, pretty great song!! :metal
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Yeah great song!!!
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Ok I took the title track as a single, Perfect life as a kind of trailer, but I don't wanna listen to 3 years older. At least until the leak.
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Wow, beautiful song.
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Urgh I want to wait as well but the positivity I'm seeing for this song slowly chips away at that willpower.
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I'm not sure everybody knows this, but Steven has been playing 'Ancestral' live as far back as past October.
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The new tune is definitely my fav of the three we've heard so far. :tup
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I enjoy it but I'm not ready to say it's my favorite of the three. Sure it has a bit more meat on its bones, but there's something to be said for the simple songwriting of the other two. No matter though, I expect all of them to sound better (than the relatively good first impressions) within the context of the full album.
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I'm not listening, but I am reading the creepy fake blog. Weiiird.
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Steven Wilson on "Perfect Life":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HduGKFJDBQ
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The moment he mentioned loving electronic music I thought "you know, I bet Steven totally digs Boards of Canada" and sure enough. :lol
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Wow, that new song is amazing. Getting more and more excited for the album.
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That intro in 3YO (which is also familiar from Air studio videos) is really awesome and catchy! Yes, those were my spoilers.
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That intro in 3YO (which is also familiar from Air studio videos) is really awesome and catchy! Yes, those were my spoilers.
That whole intro gets so stuck in my head
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Narration just seems like the easy way to go. "How do I tell this story through music? Too much work to turn it into actual lyrics... Narration!" Probably not how it went down, just how it feels to me.
I agree. The music itself is fine, but the narration is so annoying and overt to me that it kind of gets int he way of enjoying the song.
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The moment he mentioned loving electronic music I thought "you know, I bet Steven totally digs Boards of Canada" and sure enough. :lol
he already ripped them off nearly note-for-note to make "Collecting Space" and that came out in 2008!
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The moment he mentioned loving electronic music I thought "you know, I bet Steven totally digs Boards of Canada" and sure enough. :lol
he already ripped them off nearly note-for-note to make "Collecting Space" and that came out in 2008!
Which track from BoC did he steal from?
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Happy V-Day, y'all.
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The moment he mentioned loving electronic music I thought "you know, I bet Steven totally digs Boards of Canada" and sure enough. :lol
he already ripped them off nearly note-for-note to make "Collecting Space" and that came out in 2008!
Which track from BoC did he steal from?
I can't think of a specific track being ripped off, but the song does sound pretty Campfire Headphase now that he mentions it.
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The moment he mentioned loving electronic music I thought "you know, I bet Steven totally digs Boards of Canada" and sure enough. :lol
he already ripped them off nearly note-for-note to make "Collecting Space" and that came out in 2008!
Which track from BoC did he steal from?
I can't think of a specific track being ripped off, but the song does sound pretty Campfire Headphase now that he mentions it.
"Dayvan Cowboy." like, astoundingly unabashed influence on the sleeve there. (no less brilliant of course!)
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The moment he mentioned loving electronic music I thought "you know, I bet Steven totally digs Boards of Canada" and sure enough. :lol
he already ripped them off nearly note-for-note to make "Collecting Space" and that came out in 2008!
Which track from BoC did he steal from?
I can't think of a specific track being ripped off, but the song does sound pretty Campfire Headphase now that he mentions it.
"Dayvan Cowboy." like, astoundingly unabashed influence on the sleeve there. (no less brilliant of course!)
Yeah I definitely have that track in mind when listening to it, heh.
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Deluxe edition : https://youtu.be/HLsgd4L-nAM
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New review : https://progarchy.com
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Deluxe edition : https://youtu.be/HLsgd4L-nAM
Looks awesome :tup
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New review : https://progarchy.com
A reviewer pitching a fit because a musician doesn't give a rat's ass what reviewers think. That's rich. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I'm confused- that page is linking me to a bunch of reviews of different stuff. But the top one has a great quote from that "innerview" with him.
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$99.99 for the Deluxe per Newbury Comics
https://www.newburycomics.com/rel/v2_viewupc.php?storenr=103&upc=103-2064985N
I like Steven Wilson, but not quite that much. I'm going to wait to pickup the Vinyl (assuming this album is as good as I hope) around release day.
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I asked for the deluxe for Christmas from my dad, because I couldn't really think of anything I needed, so I'll be getting it in the mail soon :D
edit: being the meticulous person he is, my dad printed out the receipt and gave it to me in a box for xmas :lol
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Your father is awesome
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So Steven was not happy about the streaming of his new song ? :\
hand.cannot.erase.radio.show.but.Steven.Wilson.can
"I have sadly had to remove the latest edition of the DPRP Prog Rock Radio Show, at the request of the management and record label (Kscope) for Mr Steven Wilson. They objected to the show previewing two songs from Mr Wilson's new album and making the show available as a (downloadable) podcast.
In over five years of producing this show, such a move is unprecedented, as both tracks were played from a streaming promo sent to DPRP Radio on behalf of the artist.
DPRP Radio has been available as a downloadable Podcast for over 3 years now. And not a single artist or label has had a need to complain about previewing their music. A 'thank you' for our voluntary efforts is more normal.
Apparently Steven Wilson is very picky in the way that his music is distributed (video's where he's destroying ipods?) and he does not want his music to be able to be downloaded before release date and will do anything he can to avoid that.
It is of course his music but I am saddened that a respected artist, who has been happy to accept coverage from DPRP since his early days recording Porcupine Tree tracks in his bedroom, now feels the need to control his music to such an extent.
I feel especially saddened for the other artists featured on this particular show, most of whom are not supported by a label or management teams, but who were appreciating the extra exposure they were getting.
This edition will be re-listed when the album is released on the 23rd Feb. We will continue to support all progressive artists at DPRP and will publish a full RoundTableReview of hand.cannot.erase in the coming weeks."
https://dprpradio.podbean.com/e/show-132-featuring-steven-wilson-handcannoterase/
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Aw, man,I feel sorry for that. I kind of expected this though, especially from Steven.
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He's a bit of a drama queen. Oh well, his music makes up for it.
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I think he's old school with a single released to the radio and not all this with the internet. But like you said Rumbo, his music is to die for so.....
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I don't see anything wrong with a musician wanting control as to how and when his music is released. I know we live in a society now where most want everything immediately, but patience, peeps; the record will be out in a few weeks. :)
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I don't see anything wrong with a musician wanting control as to how and when his music is released. I know we live in a society now where most want everything immediately, but patience, peeps; the record will be out in a few weeks. :)
I certainly agree with this in principle, but I have one issue with this particular scenario. When promos are sent out, most promoters and such are woefully lacking in general instructions on what can be done with the promo, other than leaking the thing. I have no doubt that DRRP and other stations had no clue on what wishes they should be respecting prior to being asked to pull the podcast, and that part bothers me.
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Why can't they just mute the audio for those two tracks and re-up the podcast?
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Because they want to use Steven Wilson's music to boost ratings for their radio show.
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They can still honor those artists that want exposure that aren't on labels that were mentioned by removing the SW tracks. I don't see why the entire podcast has to be taken down because SW wants to be a girl.
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They can still honor those artists that want exposure that aren't on labels that were mentioned by removing the SW tracks. I don't see why the entire podcast has to be taken down because SW wants to be a girl.
Not necessary :\
Anyway, although I agree that he should have control over his own music, but then why share it with them in the first place? Maybe I'm missing something.
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They can still honor those artists that want exposure that aren't on labels that were mentioned by removing the SW tracks. I don't see why the entire podcast has to be taken down because SW wants to be a girl.
Not necessary :\
Anyway, although I agree that he should have control over his own music, but then why share it with them in the first place? Maybe I'm missing something.
Being the equivalent of the grammar police to another issue isn't necessary either. :p
It was shared because they wanted to generate reviews and buzz around the album. They got mad because he did something they didn't want him to with the music. But again, they probably never outlined clearly what was and was not okay to do with this particular release.
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https://soundcloud.com/kscopemusic/episode-58?in=kscopemusic/sets/podcasts
The December KScope Podcast never became downloadable for the very same reason I imagine since it included a full version of the title track. I think the whole process is silly and overly anal. The tracks will leak regardless, as long as it's shared in some form.
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Anyway, although I agree that he should have control over his own music, but then why share it with them in the first place? Maybe I'm missing something.
This was basically my reaction too.
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Being the equivalent of the grammar police to another issue isn't necessary either. :p
How is pointing out a sexist remark being "grammar police"? I get that most of you don't give a shit, but it's insulting to me when people say stuff like that and I have every right to point it out. This is nothing new.
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Being the equivalent of the grammar police to another issue isn't necessary either. :p
How is pointing out a sexist remark being "grammar police"? I get that most of you don't give a shit, but it's insulting to me when people say stuff like that and I have every right to point it out. This is nothing new.
You certainly can point it out, wasn't suggesting otherwise. All I was saying is that when your doing it, people are going to feel about you the same way they feel about the grammar police. Your likely fine with that, just wanted to point out that fixing every minor "sexist" remark on the internet would be the equivalent of becoming the sexist police.
You're*
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Fixing sexism on the Internet would be a losing battle. Pointing it out and addressing it here on DTF, however, I believe is a worthwhile pursuit.
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Fixing sexism on the Internet would be a losing battle. Pointing it out and addressing it here on DTF, however, I believe is a worthwhile pursuit.
hear hear!
about SW: i guess every genius has something that will turn me off... that said, this particular podcast was an amazing listen all the way, SW stuff included. as long as people can hear it!
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I think you bring up an interesting point that I kinda agree with, most musicians, even the ones we love the most and praise as geniuses have these qualities or personal stances/traits (whatever) that is just a bummer. But I don't think it's bad, I see it as something nice, because it's a reminder that even a great musician is only human.
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True that!
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I read the feature story about Steven Wilson in this month's Prog magazine. I found the story about Joyce Vincent very interesting. Has anyone seen the documentary about her called Dreams of a Life that Steven says inspired him?
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I read the feature story about Steven Wilson in this month's Prog magazine. I found the story about Joyce Vincent very interesting. Has anyone seen the documentary about her called Dreams of a Life that Steven says inspired him?
Yeah, I watched it last week (because of Steven Wilson). It's a cool documentary, definitely worth your time.
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Yeah, I watched it a while back. Very interesting. Think I posted about it in this thread somewhere.
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On a whim I ordered the DVD version instead of the CD version. Am I correct in saying the DVD doesn't have the documentary and only has different audio mixes? I don't have a BluRay player, wondering if there's some way of watching the documentary. :(
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On a whim I ordered the DVD version instead of the CD version. Am I correct in saying the DVD doesn't have the documentary and only has different audio mixes? I don't have a BluRay player, wondering if there's some way of watching the documentary. :(
This - I wanted to get this clear before I order
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On a whim I ordered the DVD version instead of the CD version. Am I correct in saying the DVD doesn't have the documentary and only has different audio mixes? I don't have a BluRay player, wondering if there's some way of watching the documentary. :(
The CD + DVD has the studio documentary: https://www.burningshed.com/store/kscope/product/272/6314/
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On a whim I ordered the DVD version instead of the CD version. Am I correct in saying the DVD doesn't have the documentary and only has different audio mixes? I don't have a BluRay player, wondering if there's some way of watching the documentary. :(
The CD + DVD has the studio documentary: https://www.burningshed.com/store/kscope/product/272/6314/
Fantastic news! "Making ofs" are always amazing to me. Now the question is whether to listen to the album or watch the movie first..
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I suggest everyone take a look at the rules. This is a general warning, and any further action in this thread will come with a ban.
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Well, anyways, German folks are still the luckiest ones out there. They've got only four days to wait.
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Well, anyways, German folks are still the luckiest ones out there. They've got only four days to wait.
Yeah, but well, I have exams so when they finish its gonna be around release date so I'm not losing anything until then :lol.
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What if...The record label did that promo, and Steven did not agree with it. Most times Labels will do that.
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Guess I missed something, cause I'm confuzzled.
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Guess I missed something, cause I'm confuzzled.
These are not the posts you're looking for. ;)
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That's what I figured :lol
Ahhhh I'm so pumped for this album :dangerwillrobinson:
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Yay! Friday isn't so far away, in this week!! It's not only German fans ;)
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Well, anyways, German folks are still the luckiest ones out there. They've got only four days to wait.
Perhaps not as lucky as us Australian fans living in Sydney, a local specialist store has the regular CD and CD/DVD in stock today.
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While we're building up to Hand.Cannot.Erase, it's still worth pointing out that this week marks 2 years since The Raven That Refused To Sing was released.
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It looks like I'm getting my copy this week. Didn't you guys say 27 Feb was only for Germans? :P
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February 27 is the release date in Finland as well, so I'll get it on :friday:
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https://www.musicradar.com/news/drums/craig-blundell-talks-bagging-the-steven-wilson-drum-gig-616804
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New review: https://www.prog-sphere.com/reviews/steven-wilson-hand-cannot-erase-review/
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The Progsphere review contains a "spoiler" about the album's ending, just so you know. In the last-but-one paragraph, starting "To date, the only concept..."
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I got spoiled :( - the review should contain a spoiler warning at least.
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If you don't want spoilers, why on earth would you be reading reviews?
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'Cause I want to have an impression of the album's soundscape and get an opinion of it, not the end of the damn story. If you wrote a review of SFAM, you wouldn't say that Nicholas is killed by the hypnotherapist at the end, right? You'd prefer the listener to discover it by itself. Unless you're on DTF, where it's assumed that almost everyone is familiar with the 15-year old album, of course. But Wilson's new record hasn't even been released and I already know the ending. That's why I'm angry.
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I see what your frustration is, but when reading a review EVERYTHING is essentially a spoiler to some degree or another. I guess it's why I tend to stray away from reviews of albums I already plan on getting for sure.
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Of course reviews have some spoilers, but what the reviewer did is the equivalent of writing the review of a book, telling the ending, and not warn about it. The reviewer's a moron :\
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Yeah, that's kind of shitty. I've been avoiding reviews period just to be safe, but I see what you're saying.
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Having not read any reviews myself, I'm assuming Wilson kills Dumbledore?
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WHY WOULD YOU POST THAT NOOOOOO
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Of course reviews have some spoilers, but what the reviewer did is the equivalent of writing the review of a book, telling the ending, and not warn about it. The reviewer's a moron :\
Well, while I completely sympathise, I don't think it's quite the same. With books, it is all about the story and so spoiling the plot spoils everything about the book. Whereas in music, lyrics/story are only part of it, and a part that to some (like you) is very important and to others is just a side-show or irrelevance. So I think when it comes to album/song reviews, I would definitely expect some reviews to be containing "spoilers" about the lyrics, and would therefore avoid them unless they state that they are spoiler-free.
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Definitely. There's concept albums I've listened to for 5 years that I still don't fully know the story behind.
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First Regret/3 Years Older is now officially streaming!
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/first-regret-3-years-older
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'Solos Are a Big Part of This Record' (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/steven_wilson_talks_new_album_solos_are_a_big_part_of_this_record.html)
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Sweet can't wait to hear them! Guthrie especially.
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Just got tickets to see him in May. Should be pretty sweet.
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Sweet can't wait to hear them! Guthrie especially.
Yeah... about that...
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I know it's in bad taste but...
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I laughed way too hard at that.
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I'm probably going to hell. That's a fucked up wreck that happened in my town yesterday morning.
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I love this album.
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First Regret/Three Years Older. Very nice.
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After one listen, I'm not going to give it a definitive rating/ranking. That'll be a disservice to the album. What I will say is that the mood definitely captures the "tragedy" of the tale. He set out to do so, and it was successful :tup
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So far I'm liking it a lot more than Raven, but I don't know if it could top Insurgentes, or especially Grace. It's pretty refreshing though.
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#1 (for now) on rateyourmusic.com's 2015 rankings
https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/2015
I'm sure all the Viet Cong, Father John Misty, Panda Bear and Sleater-Kinney fanboys/fangirls will go ahead and downrate it now.
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I'd say I probably rate the Viet Cong album higher. It's the same with all those rating sites though. You got SW haters who downrates his music, just as you have SW fanboys who downrate other albums. It's really just how the internet works. Same with IMDB and movies.
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Meh, I like all these albums so whatever.
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Anyone planning any SW-related listening over the weekend ahead of the release? (Apart from the lucky Germans who'll get HCE from tomorrow). I'm thinking of listening to the three solo albums, one a day, starting tomorrow.
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I'd say I probably rate the Viet Cong album higher. It's the same with all those rating sites though. You got SW haters who downrates his music, just as you have SW fanboys who downrate other albums. It's really just how the internet works. Same with IMDB and movies.
The only thing I like about rateyourmusic are the great, comprehensive lists. Besides that, the site is awful, with lots of fanboys, haters, and elitists. I think that's why I prefer SputnikMusic - not that the species mentioned don't exist there, but they aren't that common. At least OK Computer ain't in the all-times top 5 :lol .
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I would say Sputnik is even worse than RYM when it comes to elitism.
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Just pre-ordered my copy. I went with standard, because I don't particularly like digibooks and I know that I'll watch the documentary just once, and also the price between standard and limited were pretty far off each other. Also, helps saving for more stuff.
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I love this album.
This :hefdaddy .
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I love this album.
This :hefdaddy .
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I would say Sputnik is even worse than RYM when it comes to elitism.
Yeah I think it's far worse for elitism.
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Maybe the comments section, which is full of assholes, but I don't know. It has some nice reviews and a diverse overall ranking. I just use it to keep track of my fav albums and check some band's discographies.
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I'd guess both sides are equally worse when it comes to those kind of people, the main difference for me is that Sputnik looks pretty good, whereas RYM looks like a website from the 90s, and as a result I just prefer to use Sputnik.
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My deluxe edition shipped today :dangerwillrobinson: :caffeine: :dangerwillrobinson:
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My deluxe edition shipped today :dangerwillrobinson: :caffeine: :dangerwillrobinson:
Of the very short list of opinions I'm dying to hear, yours in on top.
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I picked up my copy of the CD+DVD edition right after the local record store had opened - they were playing the album and I saw another guy buy a copy as well, so clearly there's a buzz going on about the album. :D
As someone who hasn't been overly enthusiastic about the previous SW solo releases I can say I'm really happy with this record. Raven was alright, but HCE is way more diverse. The poppy and heavy moments remind me of PT, but the album still sounds fresh and doesn't feel like a throwback - it's like a combination of everything SW has ever done with some new elements thrown in. Obviously it needs more listens to sink in properly, but it definitely has the potential to become my favorite SW-related album since Blank Planet. A couple of spoilers:
I liked the recurring themes, like the HCE melody in Routine and the chord progression of Perfect Life at the end of the album - they add cohesion to the album. Also, "trains" spotted in Happy Returns!
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I'm curious what some of the prog fans will think of the album, because it isn't very progressive compared to his last few albums. Pretty diverse overall, I like it.
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I'm curious what some of the prog fans will think of the album, because it isn't very progressive compared to his last few albums.
I'm wondering the same, actually. I think it may not be as warmly received as The Raven, but the fact that it's a concept album is probably exciting for a lot of people. But who knows? :dunno:
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I don't think anyone following Steven at this point could care one way or another how "prog" something is.
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Just picked up the special 'book' edition at the local record store. They were playing the album pretty loud in the store (usually they settle for some easy going country music), and there were more people getting the album. Also, some folks around me were asking whose music they were listening to. Quite a buzz indeed.
The book edition is beautiful by the way! SW taking packaging to the next level, again.
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Reading the lyrics... I love Steven's lyrics.
Home Invasion :heart
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Brilliant album. I like the fact that some of the songs could have easily been on a prior PT album. Happy Returns especially has a Stupid Dream or Lightbulb Sun feel about it.
Ancestral is the albums tour de force IMO, although it does feel like 2 separate songs. I don't like the last 15 seconds either, think it should have ended on a high.
Enjoying it more and more each listen.
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Mine shipped two days ago. And I happened to be off today, so I'm anxiously awaiting the postman's regular visit.
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This is one of the greatest things I've ever heard.
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The book edition is beautiful by the way! SW taking packaging to the next level, again.
A big YES to that! Now I know why that edition is so expensive. Worth every cent. :hat
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Well, after a few spins, I certainly love it more than Insurgentes and Grace, but Raven is still better in my book. Ancestral is my favourite song, but it indeed feels like two songs merged together. I wish the song went in somewhat different direction after the guitar solo and the second "Icicles" section. Still amazing though.
And Happy Returns indeed has both trains and la-la-la-na-na sections with a distinctive atmosphere, haha.
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Perfect Life is probably my favorite track.
It makes me feel like I'm in a sun bathed room just soaking warmth in. It really lifts my spirits
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Dammit. No Wilson today. Got the new Kaipa in as a nice consolation prize. Hopefully tomorrow.
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I'm not a HUGE fan of SW, but this a really good album. I'm having some trouble remembering the tracks right now, since I've listened to it once, but Happy Returns is probably my favorite. Very emotional song.
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I'll just say that this album has, at least for me, survived the hype and met my expectations.
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Listening to it right now and I like it more than Grace and Raven. Those solos in Regret #9 are awesome, disappointed I won't see Guthrie with SW.
I will say this, I don't like Perfect Life. I'm not a big fan of the spoken word lyrics.
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I will say this, I don't like Perfect Life. I'm not a big fan of the spoken word lyrics.
That's less than half of the song though?
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Right now my favorite tracks are Happy Returns, Home Invasion, Routine, Perfect Life and the title track. The two longest songs (and particularly Ancestral) are going to take a bit longer for me to digest.
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Every time Wilson releases a new solo album, I say "wow, I definitely think this is my favorite of all his solo work, it definitely tops his last one!" and here I am again, thinking the same thing. It's an amazing album. Probably the first SW solo album where all of the songs are home runs for me.
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Regret #9 is so cool. It's like something out of an 80's sci-fi film but it doesn't feel cheesy at all. I'm glad the keyboardist got the chance to really show off his stuff on this album.
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I didn't like Perfect Life that much when it was released, but it works a lot better in the context of the album. And yes, Regret #9 is really cool!
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My delux edition shipped Thursday from the UK so if I'm really lucky I'll have it today... But probably not :-(... Been trying to keep from looking at the sneak peek as I want to be surprised.
As a side note I'm not sure why I thought Lasse Hoile was from Holland but I just read that he is a Dane and from Århus and where I'm going to see SW next month (and luckily only a half hour from where I live)... I had an idea that the reason SW started doing shows there might just be because we have a good venue with realy good sound called "Train"... I guess it could be both :-).
Nice to read all the positive comments in here (not that I'm surprised). Can't wait to hear the whole album start to finish!
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I bought it yesterday, but only got around to listening today. My first impression was that something about the feeling really reminded me of Porcupine Tree, more so than every other SW solo record. If I had to put my finger on it I would probably say it has a bit of a Lightbulb Sun/In Absentia feel to it, but with songwriting more like in FOABP. It starts of surprisingly happy for a SW record, but gets melancholic quite fast. I haven't quite gotten the gist of the story so far, but I quite like the lyrics, even without the context.
As far as the music goes, I still have to digest it a bit. First impression is definetely overall very positive, with a few songs I didn't warm up to yet. I already heard Ancestral live when I saw him live last time, and I really hope he plays it again, cause that song absolutely slayed live even without knowing it.
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Damn, I'm stepping on a plane tomorrow, and the album would be the perfect thing to listen to during the flight. >:(
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I've listened through front to back maybe 5 or 6 times now.
And I can say...
I FUCKING LOVE THIS ALBUM.
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Wilson's first two albums were so hit or miss for me. Raven was phenomenal, and so is this. I prefer Raven slightly, because I think the title track is one of the best songs he's ever written, and I like the self-contained nature of the other tracks . . . but man, HCE is really something. While I'd give anything to have him work with Porcupine Tree again, albums like Raven and Erase are great "substitutes".
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what's with the track splitting? seems like the actual CD has split tracking for "3 Years Older," "Regret #9," and "Ascendant Here On..." but the web release combined them with the song before?
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what's with the track splitting? seems like the actual CD has split tracking for "3 Years Older," "Regret #9," and "Ascendant Here On..." but the web release combined them with the song before?
One version also crossfades "Regret #9" into the opening of "Transience", while the other (with the combined tracks) has "Transience" apart from "Regret #9". Anyone know why there's such a difference? Did the web release get a different over-all mix?
-Marc.
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Happy Returns - I thought at first I was listening to ANTR. Had to check out twice. :lol
This album is really, really awesome. I really like the athmosphere, positive and touching vibes and progressive elements, but with more modern style. Needs still more listens but I could say this is SW's best solo work easily.
2 AWESOME albums in 2 months, Periphery's Alpha and now this. What an awesome year of music will this be!
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Wow. I'm speechless. Have been engulfed in the album in my first listen. Deluxe version on my lap, reading everything, following the story, listening to the blu ray stereo mix on high end headphones, this is an awesome album.
I've never been this impressed by any first listen of Steven's work before. I love the story, and most of all that has to do with the packaging, I really felt like I knew the girl in the pictures.
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Can't wait to listen to the album, I'll have it on Tuesday! :D
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Currently enjoying the demo disc. It's interesting. Whereas the demos for The Raven were real close to their final versions, some songs on here are a far cry from how they ended up eventually.
Also, the drums on 'Happy Returns' are done by Chad Wackerman. I was wondering why the snare on that track sounded a lot different coming from the previous tracks, but there you have it.
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i really like the track "3 years older" with its rush vibe. so many nice melodies by steven in this track. but the best part for me is the transition to the organ solo and the solo itself.
in my opinion the highlight of the album is guthries emotional solo in "regret #9"
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Shocked by how good it is, especially considering how different a vibe it is from Raven. Still totally absorbing the thematic aspects, but he does an excellent job of catching the mood, especially in Happy Returns, what a brutal song that is.
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Shocked by how good it is, especially considering how different a vibe it is from Raven. Still totally absorbing the thematic aspects, but he does an excellent job of catching the mood, especially in Happy Returns, what a brutal song that is.
Indeed. Happy Returns is definitely my favorite track on the album, so far. With the potential to be one of my favorite SW solo songs as well.
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Regret #9 is definitely my least favourite and Ancestral is definitely my favourite. Overall the album is amazing though.
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Happy Returns was a real grower for me. Ancestral was my favorite at first listen, and it still is. Truly epic track.
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Wow, this album is really really good! I think I still like Grace and Raven more, but I think it's really hard to top those two. But goddamn, what a great album, I never think that Steven embraced the concept thing so fully, there are even recurring melodies in the record. 3YO, Routine and Ancestral are instant classics, whilist all the other songs are just stunning. Love how the vibe is different, but so familiar too, Home Invasion really reminded me of PT. Like a lot, especially the intro and the chorus. And Regret #9 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy - never was I this happy of hearing a track that it's basically two solos. Waiting for my copy :metal
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Man, all these positive reactions are increasing my excitement for this album. Hopefully it'll arrive tomorrow.
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I'd say I probably rate the Viet Cong album higher. It's the same with all those rating sites though. You got SW haters who downrates his music, just as you have SW fanboys who downrate other albums. It's really just how the internet works. Same with IMDB and movies.
Most albums ends up within the 3,4-3,6 range nowadays and, looking through SW discography, most of his albums have high ratings there.
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I have to be honest. Not only is this an absolutely amazing album, this has got to be my favorite Steven Wilson solo album so far. In fact, there might be only a couple of Porcupine Tree albums I would consider better than this. It really is that fantastic. I'm too lazy to write more, just felt like joining the hype.
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what's with the track splitting? seems like the actual CD has split tracking for "3 Years Older," "Regret #9," and "Ascendant Here On..." but the web release combined them with the song before?
One version also crossfades "Regret #9" into the opening of "Transience", while the other (with the combined tracks) has "Transience" apart from "Regret #9". Anyone know why there's such a difference? Did the web release get a different over-all mix?
-Marc.
"Transience" ends side C of the vinyl, so that explains where the lack of crossfade comes from. i wonder if the masters are otherwise different though!
edit: ... woops, i was talking about the transition into "Ancestral," not the one you said. so now there's no practical reason why the "Regret #9" crossfade wouldn't be there. hm... otherwise, the CD version has a lot more time between tracks EXCEPT this crossfade, and it's ever so slightly louder — like, i'm talking a quarter of a dB or less in the difference, just enough for the occasional transient to flatten out slightly (but that's a difference caused by the limiter, so it was a choice).
i love that "Ascendant Here on..." is a piano reprise of "Perfect Life." it was the right choice to end the record.
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knowing that there are ways to listen to this album but trying to wait till my copy arrives on thursday is killing me :(
but in my pre-album SW binge i finally got around to listening to Insurgentes. great album :hefdaddy I think Raven is still my favorite of SW solo albums, but i might like it more than GfD.
Really excited for HCE since this is my first SW release since i started listening to him, then first time seeing him live in Philly in may :metal
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I listened to the new album earlier today. It is quite possibly my new favorite album from Wilson, both solo and in Porcupine Tree. This is just absolutely outstanding! :hefdaddy
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I'm just listening to SW on the train. Wait.. what... :lol
My favourite tracks are now 3 Years Older, Hand. Cannot. Erase., Home Invasion and Happy Returns.
Gotta love that new SW sound. Much more balanced, poppy and just the way I like it.
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I'm just listening to SW on the train. Wait.. what... :lol
MIND BLOWN
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Small spoilers for anyone interested in living through the story the first time listening to the record
Story wise, the end. What happens there? Does she commit suicide? Or does she disappear like the old lady in the story?
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Oh my. I am a new convert. Thank you, DTF.
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My copy arrived this morning! :caffeine:
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Small spoilers for anyone interested in living through the story the first time listening to the record
Story wise, the end. What happens there? Does she commit suicide? Or does she disappear like the old lady in the story?
The way I see it is that she stops in the middle of writing a letter because she's 'feeling drowsy', and then dies never getting to finish the letter. I haven't read the lyrics, or listened to the album more than once (except for Happy Returns), so that's just what I thought just what I've been picturing. If that's what it is, then it's really sad.
I don't even know what old lady you are referring to, so I might be way off, since the lyrics of Happy Returns are pretty much the only ones I really noticed.
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Small spoilers for anyone interested in living through the story the first time listening to the record
Story wise, the end. What happens there? Does she commit suicide? Or does she disappear like the old lady in the story?
The way I see it is that she stops in the middle of writing a letter because she's 'feeling drowsy', and then dies never getting to finish the letter. I haven't read the lyrics, or listened to the album more than once (except for Happy Returns), so that's just what I thought just what I've been picturing. If that's what it is, then it's really sad.
I don't even know what old lady you are referring to, so I might be way off, since the lyrics of Happy Returns are pretty much the only ones I really noticed.
Well in the deluxe edition there's a story of a young girl who disappears. Just off the radar. Yeaaaars later, when she's an old lady she reappears and dies at the same moment. The main character always felt like that was a sort of ideal life.
I believe she never finishes the letter because she can't, not after all those years. But the drowzyness is something I glossed over, that's a good point too.
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I think she kind of breaks her isolation and returns to society, just to discover that nothing had changed. And then she meets her brother.
My fav track definitely is Routine - DAT climax :hefdaddy :heart.
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Home Invasion or Ancestral are winning this fight for best song, but Happy Returns is so good too.
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BIG SPOILERS
Steven said that the ending is pretty ambiguos, my theory is that since Happy Returns is the last thing we (society) know about her, I think that at this point she completely isolates herself in every way, so we don't really know what happened, although she says "It's time to leave now" in the diary. I have no idea :rollin
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Ordering this one as soon as possible!
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I'm curious what some of the prog fans will think of the album, because it isn't very progressive compared to his last few albums. Pretty diverse overall, I like it.
Even though it's not as progressive as his previous albums it still has tons of prog in there so I don't think prog fans will be complaining a lot about it.
Personally I found the album to be very interesting, it keeps being an SW album even though it goes to new territories and I got a good feeling while listening to it this morning going to work.
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Amazing album. Routine is my favorite song so far.
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It's not prog. It is progressive. But Steven Wilson has always been about progression instead of making prog, in my ears.
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I had a few instant favorites (Home Invasion / Regret #9, Ancestral), but after a few weeks of listening I have to say there's not one single weak song on the damn thing. Warmed up a lot to Three Years Older and Hand Cannot Erase, and I just recently fell completely for Happy Returns.
Better than The Raven? I didn't think so at first.. but this album just seems to have so much more emotion throughout. Also, I'm not a fan of 'The Pin Drop' at all, and I kind of dislike the ending to 'The Watchmaker'. This album has it all.. SW branching out vocally, catchy songs, orgasmic solos and fortunately and finally some headbang worthy moments as well.
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what's with the track splitting? seems like the actual CD has split tracking for "3 Years Older," "Regret #9," and "Ascendant Here On..." but the web release combined them with the song before?
It looks like the promo version includes combined tracks as well, because I read a magazine review where the writer was talking about "First Regret/3 Years Older" being heavily Rush-influenced (something I agree with btw).
I'm curious what some of the prog fans will think of the album, because it isn't very progressive compared to his last few albums. Pretty diverse overall, I like it.
Even though it's not as progressive as his previous albums it still has tons of prog in there so I don't think prog fans will be complaining a lot about it.
There were some pessimistic comments from disappointed prog fans when Perfect Life was released: https://www.facebook.com/StevenWilsonHQ/posts/890573920962871 I know the rest of the album doesn't sound like that, but I still find it pretty amusing to see people deeming the album a disappointment when they've heard only one or two tracks. :lol
Better than The Raven? I didn't think so at first.. but this album just seems to have so much more emotion throughout.
Definitely! The title-track of Raven is really beautiful, but I found it hard to connect with the rest of the album emotionally, probably due to the ghost story lyrics, whereas HCE feels much more accessible and easier to relate to.
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AOTY
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Really enjoying the female vocals on this.
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I cannot help but smile everytime I hear 'Transience' and that catchy folk melody (It's only the start) pops up from out-of-nowhere. Genius.
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After multiple listens now I can say this is easily my favorite SW album, and would rank up there with the best PT albums. Truly amazing.
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I cannot help but smile everytime I hear 'Transience' and that catchy folk melody (It's only the start) pops up from out-of-nowhere. Genius.
Yeah, that melody is beautiful. Even the short transition tracks on the album are tremendous.
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Really enjoying the female vocals on this.
I actually wished there were more. Her voice is stunning.
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Really enjoying the female vocals on this.
I actually wished there were more. Her voice is stunning.
The version of Routine with only her vocals on the Blu Ray is awesome.
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Haven't gotten my copy yet, excited to hear all the positive reviews. My only concern is how unprogressive it is and how pop it is. I'm definitely not a pop fan and can't even see how a SW album could be solely of the pop genre. Surely even if it is pop it has that trademark SW sense of melancholy, right?
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Haven't gotten my copy yet, excited to hear all the positive reviews. My only concern is how unprogressive it is and how pop it is. I'm definitely not a pop fan and can't even see how a SW album could be solely of the pop genre. Surely even if it is pop it has that trademark SW sense of melancholy, right?
Some vocal melodies are a bit more pop or classic rock inspired. That said, there's enough prog on it and the solos play an even bigger part than before.
More than anything though, it sounds more contemporary instead of looking towards the 70's.
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Really enjoying the female vocals on this.
I actually wished there were more. Her voice is stunning.
Yes indeed. I also think on the behind the scenes videos these parts on Ancestral: "You can shut the door, but you can't ignore..." were female and I loved them more than what we've got in the final product. I totally enjoy her voice though, and the way she provides the backing vocals is just incredible; or course, when she's doing the lead ones it's even more incredible.
AOTY
It's a sure contender for it, but until I've heard Nightwish, Kamelot, The Gentle Storm, Mark Knopfler, Dream Theater, possible David Gilmour and a lot of other albums I will reserve my judgement.
Damn awesome album though. Steven didn't disappoint me once again, even though I was a bit anxious when I've heard about the poppy approach.
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really liking the alt mix of "Perfect Life" more than the album version! the extra few minutes are just stunning.
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stop getting me so hyped for this I'm not getting this until like a month from now because I tend to buy albums in bulk omg
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stop getting me so hyped for this I'm not getting this until like a month from now because I tend to buy albums in bulk omg
Online discount?
I'm going tomorrow. I know I'll love the hell out of it then see it live in May.
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Forgot to check out the alternate mixes, nice! Something to look forward to again.
P.S. Has somebody gave the 5.1 mix a listen yet?
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Haven't gotten my copy yet, excited to hear all the positive reviews. My only concern is how unprogressive it is and how pop it is. I'm definitely not a pop fan and can't even see how a SW album could be solely of the pop genre. Surely even if it is pop it has that trademark SW sense of melancholy, right?
The title track is the only one I'd call "pop". If SW does pop, you can guarantee it's a hundred times better than most pop. But it's also not as out-and-out proggy as Raven. It calls for Steven Wilson to have his own genre named after him.
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Haven't gotten my copy yet, excited to hear all the positive reviews. My only concern is how unprogressive it is and how pop it is. I'm definitely not a pop fan and can't even see how a SW album could be solely of the pop genre. Surely even if it is pop it has that trademark SW sense of melancholy, right?
I'd say SW does simple songs with catchy melodies and great choruses even better than he does Prog tbh. Albums like Stupid Dream (by PT) or Blackfield (by Blackfield) are incredibly accessible, catchy and not very progressive compared to portions of his discography, yet they are two of his best albums. Even on the more recent albums, the biggest highlights have been songs like The Raven That Refused to Sing and Deform to Form a Star.
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stop getting me so hyped for this I'm not getting this until like a month from now because I tend to buy albums in bulk omg
Online discount?
I'm going tomorrow. I know I'll love the hell out of it then see it live in May.
free shipping on amazon
because screw shipping costs lol
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Haven't gotten my copy yet, excited to hear all the positive reviews. My only concern is how unprogressive it is and how pop it is. I'm definitely not a pop fan and can't even see how a SW album could be solely of the pop genre. Surely even if it is pop it has that trademark SW sense of melancholy, right?
I'd say SW does simple songs with catchy melodies and great choruses even better than he does Prog tbh. Albums like Stupid Dream (by PT) or Blackfield (by Blackfield) are incredibly accessible, catchy and not very progressive compared to portions of his discography, yet they are two of his best albums. Even on the more recent albums, the biggest highlights have been songs like The Raven That Refused to Sing and Deform to Form a Star.
Yes, I agree. It's also funny that some of his most accessible songs are those having a go at the mainstream industry, such as Piano Lessons and The Sound of Muzak.
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Anyway, I've not long finished HCE. My favourite tracks on first impression are Home Invasion and Regret #9, which segue so seamlessly together that they feel like one song. Other highlights include the haunting choir sounds on Routine & Ascendant Here On..., and the recurring musical ideas.
Needless to say, SW has pulled it off again. Incredible album!
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May as well be Steven Wilson's best solo album. It's really different and hard to compare, surprisingly. I kind of expected The Raven pt. 2 with some pop, but it's something completely different. Routine-Home Invasion-Regret#9-Transience is definitely the best song run in the album, those have got to be my favorites.
Ancestral is really cool and Happy Returns/Ascendant, well... It's a good ending for the album, but it's a grower. The music of the song itself wasn't as melancholic as I expected, I think The Raven spoiled me a bit with that :lol
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Nothing in the mail today.
RAAAAAAAAGE.
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Nothing in the mail today.
RAAAAAAAAGE.
Did you also order yours from Newbury? If so, that makes me feel a lot better about not getting mine yet, since you're way closer to MA. I'm nervous about it being left in my building when I'm not home. I checked the mail like four times today :lol
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Nothing in the mail today.
RAAAAAAAAGE.
Did you also order yours from Newbury? If so, that makes me feel a lot better about not getting mine yet, since you're way closer to MA. I'm nervous about it being left in my building when I'm not home. I checked the mail like four times today :lol
No, I ordered from Burning Shed. I suppose I can't really be upset if it comes on release tomorrow, it's just making me salivating seeing all those who did get theirs already!
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Can't say I'm not a little hesitant with the new direction the album takes. He's such a great songwriter, he could do nothing but bubblegum pop and make it enjoyable, but I'll definitely miss the prog and the melancholy that this album is supposedly missing. It's the melancholy thing that's especially surprising. I don't know how an upbeat SW album will make me feel.
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Can't say I'm not a little hesitant with the new direction the album takes. He's such a great songwriter, he could do nothing but bubblegum pop and make it enjoyable, but I'll definitely miss the prog and the melancholy that this album is supposedly missing. It's the melancholy thing that's especially surprising. I don't know how an upbeat SW album will make me feel.
I'm not sure how anyone could listen to the record and say it's missing prog and/or melancholy. This is just as proggy and sad as anything he's done.
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Can't say I'm not a little hesitant with the new direction the album takes. He's such a great songwriter, he could do nothing but bubblegum pop and make it enjoyable, but I'll definitely miss the prog and the melancholy that this album is supposedly missing. It's the melancholy thing that's especially surprising. I don't know how an upbeat SW album will make me feel.
It's like He's gone full Britney Spears in your eyes. :lol
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So far to me, this is like Wilson taking a little bit of everything he has done in his career and blending into one album.
The hard rock riffs from the Harrison-era of Porcupine Tree are back.
The prog is still there.
The melancholy is still there.
The gloriously catchy melodies are there.
Something that sounds like Storm Corrosion (Transience) is even there.
Overall, this is yet another magnificent achievement of epic proportions by Steven Wilson. Honestly, it just blows my mind how this guy continues to release one freaking great album after another. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Can't say I'm not a little hesitant with the new direction the album takes. He's such a great songwriter, he could do nothing but bubblegum pop and make it enjoyable, but I'll definitely miss the prog and the melancholy that this album is supposedly missing. It's the melancholy thing that's especially surprising. I don't know how an upbeat SW album will make me feel.
I don't think you'll be disappointed at all. This album has a lot of prog and melancholy, there's really only one upbeat song.
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Trying to figure out IF I am going to see him in LA. My buddy is NOT giving me any definite answer. $35 at The Wiltern is NOT bad. Hell if they want to make it a full night we could do Anaheim. He's playing The City National Grove. LOVE LOVE LOVE the venue... but it's pricier and twice as far.
ugh
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Anybody else getting a Signify / Up the Downstair vibe from Regret #9?
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Just got my Deluxe Edition in the mail, and HOLY CRAP YOU GUYS - this is one intense and well-made package, and I don't mean just the cover or the binding. This thing in TOTALLY immersive. I won't spoil anything for you guys that also ordered it and want to feel the surprise that I did just now as I thumbed through the thing, but the level of attention and detail made towards this is astonishing and I'm really kicking myself that out of SW's four albums, this is the only Deluxe Edition I have. I wish I could have afforded the other three as they came out.
If anyone here has the first three and has ordered the new one, let me know how it compares to the first three, just because I'm very curious as to how much better, the same, or worse HCE's Deluxe Edition compared to the other three.
-Marc.
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Ahhhh, I can't wait! This is the only deluxe I've ordered- same boat as you. I just got this one because it was a Christmas gift :D
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Ahhhh, I can't wait! This is the only deluxe I've ordered- same boat as you. I just got this one because it was a Christmas gift :D
Nice! :tup I splurged on this one as well, and figured that, due to the conceptual nature of the album, that the Deluxe Edition would deliver some great goodies within and be a sweet package, and I was totally right, AND THEN SOME...x 100. The text, the visuals, the inserts, everything is just top-notch and A LOT of careful thought went in to the making of this package. I'm so glad I ordered this version because I really feel like I'm going to get the most out of this album and its concept because of the Deluxe Edition.
-Marc.
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I've only got The Raven's deluxe edition. And that's less good than this one. I think I enjoyed that box at first too, but I've never really went back and listened to the album with the book and all. With this album, I can really imagine I'll be listening to it in the car from time to time, but when I really want to dive in, I'll use the book.
Apart from that, I now wish I had the other two too.
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Just got the CD in the mail. I'm going to listen to it in a while :)
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Shiiit!!! Mine didn't come today (sent from Burning Shed UK thursday... thought it would be here today for sure). The waiting is killing me :'(.
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I preordered the album on iTunes(Sorry Mr. Wilson, I don't have money for your extravagant box sets...) I'm on my third listen today and goddamn, this really is an amazing album yet.
Some of the standout tracks are: 3 Years Older(I think this may be Steven's best song ever), Home Invasion/Regret #9, and Ancestral.
I don't know yet if it's his best, it'll take a few more listens for that. I still wish he had a tour date here in Atlanta.
A friend of mine who lives in Canada also bought it. He texted me this morning and said:
"Poutine keeps me alive."
I hope that means he's enjoying it. :lol
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I'm always a big Insurgentes lover because of how dark it is, Grace for Drowning has some monumental stuff but also some so-so songs, The Raven is an excellent old fashioned progressive rock record but this... Hand. Cannot. Erase. is an album that looks at the NOW, it's contemporary. It's relevant. I have to say, Steven Wilson has hit the nail on the head in terms of the concept.
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If anyone here has the first three and has ordered the new one, let me know how it compares to the first three, just because I'm very curious as to how much better, the same, or worse HCE's Deluxe Edition compared to the other three.
-Marc.
I do have all of them. They are all beautiful, but the new one really sets a new standard. All those items put in (postcard, birth certificate, newspaper cuttings, letter etc) and the diary of the character make you feel like you're following a real person's life. You can clearly see why it was so expensive.
Some lyrics are included, but not all of them.
A minor complaint: it's a bit hard to follow the story while listening to the music and watching the visuals on the BluRay (which I guess will be the visuals of the live show as well). I tried to turn the pages in the book just as shown on the BR, but sometimes you have to go back a few pages to read the lyrics to the recent song.
Oh, and the BR is edited for content (nudity) - but that's understandable.
I love those limited editions and would buy them any time again.
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Anybody else getting a Signify / Up the Downstair vibe from Regret #9?
Listened to regret #9 last night and man, that song is intense. For those of you lucky enough to be seeing the show, hoping the guitar and drums are great without the guys that played on the cd. That bass player is great also.
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If anyone here has the first three and has ordered the new one, let me know how it compares to the first three, just because I'm very curious as to how much better, the same, or worse HCE's Deluxe Edition compared to the other three.
-Marc.
I do have all of them. They are all beautiful, but the new one really sets a new standard. All those items put in (postcard, birth certificate, newspaper cuttings, letter etc) and the diary of the character make you feel like you're following a real person's life. You can clearly see why it was so expensive.
Some lyrics are included, but not all of them.
A minor complaint: it's a bit hard to follow the story while listening to the music and watching the visuals on the BluRay (which I guess will be the visuals of the live show as well). I tried to turn the pages in the book just as shown on the BR, but sometimes you have to go back a few pages to read the lyrics to the recent song.
Oh, and the BR is edited for content (nudity) - but that's understandable.
I love those limited editions and would buy them any time again.
Actually, I believe all the lyrics are in the book, I think I've read them all along with the songs.
I must say that with the first listen, I never once looked at the screen of my television. I just had the book on my lap and read through it.
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Yeah, might be - not sure. I tried to synchronize reading and watching. :hat
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I don't have any sleepless nights over missing out on The Incident, but I do feel bad about not picking up Insurgentes when it came out. I could probably still get a hold of it, but rather expensive I would assume.
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Just looked up what Hand... costs on ebay now: ridiculous already... :censored I paid 74 Euro, now it goes for almost the double price...
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Okay, now it's officially time...
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.
Even got to be home 2 hours early today, was looking forward to using all that extra time on HCE.
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Today I was relistening the On Studio videos for this album. It was amazing to see how much passion these guys put on each song - and it was also fun trying to guess which excerpt belonged to which tune.
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Listening in the car and 5.1 when I get home.
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-03/F7D5799E-AFB1-4DA1-9E38-154782A743AB_zpssuqb59ln.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-03/F7D5799E-AFB1-4DA1-9E38-154782A743AB_zpssuqb59ln.jpg.html)
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5.1? Me. Super. Jelly.
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Jesus, it's sounds amazing in 5.1.
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I wish I had that setup. Hopefully some day soon.
Anyways, this album is growing on me with each additional listen.
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Anybody else getting a Signify / Up the Downstair vibe from Regret #9?
Honestly, not really.
The keyboard solo is very Pink Floyd-esque more than anything, and the guitar solo is far more flashy than anything Wilson himself plays. Regardless, that is a beast of a song. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Jesus, it's sounds amazing in 5.1.
I can imagine. Actually, I don't have to, cause a buddy of mine who has a great surround sound set-up will be getting the 5.1, so I'll listen to it over there pretty soon. :coolio
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I GOT MINE :dangerwillrobinson:
Unfortunately I don't have enough time between work and the writing group I'm going to, so I won't be able to listen to it til about 9 tonight. I think I'm going to leave the package sealed until then, because I'm not sure I'll be able to control myself once it's open.
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Just give in and do it. :biggrin: :lol
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Ancestral is pretty much my favorite song ever right now. It's Steven Wilson reinventing himself for 13 minutes. It's blows my mind and my balls away with the emotion, its epic nature and raw intensity.
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HCE is pretty much my favorite SW album right now. It's Steven Wilson reinventing himself for 66 minutes. It's blows my mind and my balls away with the emotion, its epic nature and raw intensity.
Fixed for me.
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Just give in and do it. :biggrin: :lol
I only had 45 minutes! No way.
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I went into the music store expecting to pick up just the CD and Blu-ray packages. I told myself I didn't need the Deluxe Edition. Then, I saw it just sitting in the store. Beckoning me.
...suffice it to say, I have no regrets picking up that set. Following the Blu-ray along with the pages in the book was a great experience and adds a lot to the concept as a whole.
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Every. Single. Person.
That I've seen talk about the deluxe set has been fucking drooling over it. The content for the $ was certainly not there, but the set itself is obviously fantastic, and now I'm kinda regretting not getting it.
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Every. Single. Person.
That I've seen talk about the deluxe set has been fucking drooling over it. The content for the $ was certainly not there, but the set itself is obviously fantastic, and now I'm kinda regretting not getting it.
My wallet is f*cking regretting it, I'll tell ya that much! I'll be passing on my next few impulse buys for sure. "No, you're not getting that Blu-ray. You picked up the Deluxe Erase, remember?"
Still, money comes and goes. Even if I only pull out the box a handful of times, those are experiences I wouldn't have had otherwise.
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Routine is just...my...God. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Routine is just...my...God. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Seriously.
Only on my first listen right now, on Home Invasion. I was kinda hesitant at the first few songs, but now I'm diggin it all sorts of hard.
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Yeah, this album is just really good. Continually impressed with how much good music this man can create.
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Routine is just...my...God. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
When it explodes after the piano part... shivers.
Actually, on my first time I nearly shitted myself :lol
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Small spoilers for anyone interested in living through the story the first time listening to the record
Story wise, the end. What happens there? Does she commit suicide? Or does she disappear like the old lady in the story?
The way I see it is that she stops in the middle of writing a letter because she's 'feeling drowsy', and then dies never getting to finish the letter. I haven't read the lyrics, or listened to the album more than once (except for Happy Returns), so that's just what I thought just what I've been picturing. If that's what it is, then it's really sad.
I don't even know what old lady you are referring to, so I might be way off, since the lyrics of Happy Returns are pretty much the only ones I really noticed.
Well in the deluxe edition there's a story of a young girl who disappears. Just off the radar. Yeaaaars later, when she's an old lady she reappears and dies at the same moment. The main character always felt like that was a sort of ideal life.
I believe she never finishes the letter because she can't, not after all those years. But the drowzyness is something I glossed over, that's a good point too.
Well, as for the story of the "old" lady, she's not actually old. She disappears for many many years but when she returns she's still 28, even though she was born 104 years ago. Which leads me to my next point...
Why is nobody addressing the weird, potentially paranormal shit going on in this woman's life? She is being visited by unnamed beings and is talking about going somewhere with them. I suppose these could be hallucinations that come from isolating herself, buuut a lot of the signs point to maybe not. I mean, she wrote a diary entry as a teen that mentioned some weird related shit (a mysterious girl talked to her about how she can come back if she wants to, etc., and her sister told her not to mention it to anybody), and there's a copy of the weird "Key of Skeleton" book that was supposedly given to her by "them" in the deluxe edition. Sure, things are a bit ambiguous but I don't understand how people can just be saying "she reenters society" or "she dies" with all of this other crap on the table.
Anyway, I've listened twice so far and it's gorgeous, but it's going to take some further absorption.
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Wow, the reviews here are amazing. I really need to get this album!
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My only "fear" is that this will become another The Incident, great the first X amount of listens, but fades away a lot with time. I mentioned it on another forum, but my only complaint (which is fairly small) is that the album lacks any major powerhouses for me. All of the songs are great, but none of them blew me away the same way that Raven title-track did, or Deform/Raider II on Grace did. I will say that a strong album with only great songs is probably much better than a decent/good album with a few home runs and a few misses, so I just hope the life length on the album is long.
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Routine is just...my...God. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
When it explodes after the piano part... shivers.
Actually, on my first time I nearly shitted myself :lol
It's my favorite song on the album. Unbelievable.
EDIT: This album is incredible. Hard to tell if it's on my top shelf of albums yet, as it needs to stand the test of time, but I love it about as much as one can love an album after a day or two.
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Well, as for the story of the "old" lady, she's not actually old. She disappears for many many years but when she returns she's still 28, even though she was born 104 years ago. Which leads me to my next point...
Why is nobody addressing the weird, potentially paranormal shit going on in this woman's life? She is being visited by unnamed beings and is talking about going somewhere with them. I suppose these could be hallucinations that come from isolating herself, buuut a lot of the signs point to maybe not. I mean, she wrote a diary entry as a teen that mentioned some weird related shit (a mysterious girl talked to her about how she can come back if she wants to, etc., and her sister told her not to mention it to anybody), and there's a copy of the weird "Key of Skeleton" book that was supposedly given to her by "them" in the deluxe edition. Sure, things are a bit ambiguous but I don't understand how people can just be saying "she reenters society" or "she dies" with all of this other crap on the table.
Anyway, I've listened twice so far and it's gorgeous, but it's going to take some further absorption.
Nonono, the way I read it is she returns as a 104 year old women, but dies age 28 cause that was her age when she disappeared. She only had 28 years of life as a regular person. But I do have to say that the way I read it, the years don't add up. So there could be something to say about your view.
Well, the 'aliens' are hallucinations. I don't see SW writing about paranormal or even extra terrestrial beings. I think she saw things, and even drew things while under the influence of hallucinations. But your point remains, this wouldn't be in the deluxe edition if it had no influence on the story. So maybe it's a key to understanding her disappearance better, I just don't hope SW comes out and says: 'well my idea was that she was abducted by green marsians'
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Another day, another RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.
And I basically won't be able to listen tomorrow, so even if it comes I'm stuck till Friday. Great work Burning Shed. Back to Amazon it is with any future purchases.
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My copy arrived today! :DDDDDD
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Another day, another RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.
And I basically won't be able to listen tomorrow, so even if it comes I'm stuck till Friday. Great work Burning Shed. Back to Amazon it is with any future purchases.
Same here, still waiting. It's really baffling how preordering and showing support ends up being a negative. Next time I will just wait for the release date and pick it up at the local store.
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Listening to Routine Ninet solo vocal version. SW made the right choices which parts to give away and which to keep for himself.
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I love the vocal melodies in Routine.
and I think I am in love with the female vocalist's voice. Like... her voice is fucking sexy. I'd have sweet relations with her voice.
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and I think I am in love with the female vocalist's voice. Like... her voice is fucking sexy. I'd have sweet relations with her voice.
:lol
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It's really baffling how preordering and showing support ends up being a negative.
Yep. It's why I never bother with pre-orders anymore, especially when I know it is a CD I can pick up at Best Buy.
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As a small matter, what's everyone's preference/opinion on the varying track-listings? Is the album 8 tracks of 11?
Personally, I like the track-list with 8 tracks on it, especially since the 3 pairs of tracks that are stuck together definitely flow together and are meant to be together, so sticking them together as one track just makes sense to me. Then again, I love SFAM where each Scene is a single track, but that's just me.
-Marc.
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My mp3 review copy had 8 tracks, and as far as I know every retail version has 11.. At least my special edition does.
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My mp3 review copy had 8 tracks, and as far as I know every retail version has 11.. At least my special edition does.
The iTunes deluxe version has the main album as 8 tracks with 2 bonus tracks from the Alt Mix bonus disc off the Limited/Deluxe Edition.
-Marc.
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As a small matter, what's everyone's preference/opinion on the varying track-listings? Is the album 8 tracks of 11?
Personally, I like the track-list with 8 tracks on it, especially since the 3 pairs of tracks that are stuck together definitely flow together and are meant to be together, so sticking them together as one track just makes sense to me. Then again, I love SFAM where each Scene is a single track, but that's just me.
-Marc.
ehhh the only one that makes absolute, inarguable sense to keep together is "Home Invasion/Regret #9." while the first and last tracks obviously overlap (or use the same synth from the track before, as in "Ascendant...") and you're supposed to listen in order, they're very clearly separate entities, their own thoughts – small paragraphs of the same story. so besides the overlap (which also happens across "Regret #9" and "Transience," which i don't see anyone arguing as a required pairing for this exact reason), i don't see why "First Regret" and "Ascendant Here On..." need to be grouped in, save the shuffle playlist thing.
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Still no HCE for me either. And I got mine from Amazon (Canadian, though).
Not yet shipped
Delivery estimate: Friday, March 6, 2015 - Tuesday, March 10, 2015 by 8:00pm
...why.
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Still truly amazing, nothing's changed. It's a bar-raising conceptual rock album with almost a 'pop' face to it, and yet it takes way more listens than you might think in order to fully grasp what SW has accomplished here. It's almost scary.
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Still truly amazing, nothing's changed. It's a bar-raising conceptual rock album with almost a 'pop' face to it, and yet it takes way more listens than you might think in order to fully grasp what SW has accomplished here. It's almost scary.
Well said.
Every listen is getting better than the previous one.
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Goddamn you people. My copy is still en route. Where is it oh ye gods of the mail system?
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Listening now. Already blown away by the guitar in 3 Years Older.
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Plot spoilers below for anyone still waiting for their albums and whatnot...
Well, as for the story of the "old" lady, she's not actually old. She disappears for many many years but when she returns she's still 28, even though she was born 104 years ago. Which leads me to my next point...
Why is nobody addressing the weird, potentially paranormal shit going on in this woman's life? She is being visited by unnamed beings and is talking about going somewhere with them. I suppose these could be hallucinations that come from isolating herself, buuut a lot of the signs point to maybe not. I mean, she wrote a diary entry as a teen that mentioned some weird related shit (a mysterious girl talked to her about how she can come back if she wants to, etc., and her sister told her not to mention it to anybody), and there's a copy of the weird "Key of Skeleton" book that was supposedly given to her by "them" in the deluxe edition. Sure, things are a bit ambiguous but I don't understand how people can just be saying "she reenters society" or "she dies" with all of this other crap on the table.
Anyway, I've listened twice so far and it's gorgeous, but it's going to take some further absorption.
Nonono, the way I read it is she returns as a 104 year old women, but dies age 28 cause that was her age when she disappeared. She only had 28 years of life as a regular person. But I do have to say that the way I read it, the years don't add up. So there could be something to say about your view.
Well, the 'aliens' are hallucinations. I don't see SW writing about paranormal or even extra terrestrial beings. I think she saw things, and even drew things while under the influence of hallucinations. But your point remains, this wouldn't be in the deluxe edition if it had no influence on the story. So maybe it's a key to understanding her disappearance better, I just don't hope SW comes out and says: 'well my idea was that she was abducted by green marsians'
Well first, I'm not sure I'd agree that SW wouldn't write about paranormal or extraterrestrial stuff when his last album was all ghost stories :lol
Anyway, a few other points I want to make, first regarding Lena Springer.
The end of the entry for 28 March 2013 says:
Reports were made by the family and an investigation was undertaken by authorities, but no trace of his missing aunt ever surfaced. The year was 1876. Lena Springer was 28.
Herr Springer was able to produce an old family photograph of his mother with his aunt Lena. It was the exact likeness of the woman killed on the busy Vienna street.
Lena Springer died 104 years after her birth, at the age of 28.
I think that last line is pretty self-explanatory. She was born 104 years ago, but she was 28 when she reappeared/died. Also, if she came back as an old lady she would not have looked exactly like the photograph, which had to have been taken before she went missing. Ya dig?
Anyway, I'm willing to accept that she could be having hallucinations, but I don't have enough reason to fully buy that idea.
Regarding the isolation thing... It's not like she has completely disappeared from society for years. There are entries in the blog where she talks about going out, like to a party and a bar. There are periods where she says she hasn't talked to anybody in a while, but she's still talking about going to work as of April 2014. So no, I don't really buy that it's just "she's totally isolated and then reenters society." It doesn't add up.
Sure, all this talk about being "ready to go" could be killing herself because the voices say so, but again it doesn't really add up for me. One of the major reasons? The entry from 12 January 2015: if she's totally just out of her mind and making this all up, how the fuck does that photo exist? That legitimately creeps me out and I can't think of a logical explanation for it that doesn't involve actual "visitors" who are watching the two girls.
I'm sure I'll have more opinions on this the more I read through the book :biggrin:
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Got this today and just listened to it for the first time. Obviously my opinions are not very well formed at the moment, but I was impressed by it. It'll be interesting to see how it ages compared to The Raven..., particularly because the two are such different albums. The Raven... is basically Steven Wilson pulling out all the stops and going 100% prog, while Erase is probably the most diverse album I've ever heard from him (granted I haven't heard his first two solo albums). But from one listen, this is a very good album and a worthy addition to the Steven Wilson discography.
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Still truly amazing, nothing's changed. It's a bar-raising conceptual rock album with almost a 'pop' face to it, and yet it takes way more listens than you might think in order to fully grasp what SW has accomplished here. It's almost scary.
Well said!
Also, I think I might have to go to both NY shows after hearing this album, not just one show. I'm gonna love hearing this live.
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Another day, another RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.
And I basically won't be able to listen tomorrow, so even if it comes I'm stuck till Friday. Great work Burning Shed. Back to Amazon it is with any future purchases.
Same here, still waiting. It's really baffling how preordering and showing support ends up being a negative. Next time I will just wait for the release date and pick it up at the local store.
Same here :-(... I'm sorry you guys are in the same boat as me but it at least reassures me that mine didn't get lost or stolen in route. Not sure where you guys are located but I order stuff from Amazon UK all the time and nothing ever takes a week to get to Denmark so not sure why it should be any different for Burning Shed... Hell, I sent a book to my mom in Las Vegas last month and she had it in five days. A tracking number would've been nice too.
I guess if it doesn't show up today I'll have to write and complain (I should probably do that anyway).
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As a small matter, what's everyone's preference/opinion on the varying track-listings? Is the album 8 tracks of 11?
Personally, I like the track-list with 8 tracks on it, especially since the 3 pairs of tracks that are stuck together definitely flow together and are meant to be together, so sticking them together as one track just makes sense to me. Then again, I love SFAM where each Scene is a single track, but that's just me.
-Marc.
ehhh the only one that makes absolute, inarguable sense to keep together is "Home Invasion/Regret #9." while the first and last tracks obviously overlap (or use the same synth from the track before, as in "Ascendant...") and you're supposed to listen in order, they're very clearly separate entities, their own thoughts – small paragraphs of the same story. so besides the overlap (which also happens across "Regret #9" and "Transience," which i don't see anyone arguing as a required pairing for this exact reason), i don't see why "First Regret" and "Ascendant Here On..." need to be grouped in, save the shuffle playlist thing.
I definitely agree about "Home Invasion / Regret #9" being paired together. I haven't fully delved into the story as much as I'd like quite yet, but musically speaking, the first two tracks flow together very well, as well as the last two, and I like that the one version of the album keeps them together.
On the version with 8 tracks, "Transience" doesn't crossfade from "Regret #9", though, so that's not an issue there, and I think I like those tracks apart anyway. I may, I make my own version of the album that includes that crossfade anyway, and also "Key Of Skeleton" and "Last Regret", but we'll see. I still want to completely 100% absorb this album before I tinker with the various tracks and such, but as it is, either version, the music is amazing.
-Marc.
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Regret #9 feels very much like Home Invasion just going into an instrumental break. Just that the break lasts 5 minutes and ends the song. Much like what Haken did with The Mind's Eye and Portals off the Visions album.
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Finally received it, let's spin this muthafucka
EDIT: eargasming just from the production already
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There is so much to soak in with any SW albums that it makes multiple listens in a day enjoyable.
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Even songs like "Hand Cannot Erase", which I originally weren't completely blown away by, are now destroying my soul. This is easily my favorite SW album.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the meaning/significance of the album cover?
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Recieved my copy of the deluxe edition today and just finished my first spin, amazing! This man is unbelievable, and the packaging is fantastic!
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Shmeg just pinged me regarding the album. Sorry, late to the party! (On vacation in Germany right now)
Brilliant album, absolutely. Very different from the Raven, but fuck, that guy is a pure artist if he can so seamlessly grow into a new style and still produce such a deep and satisfying album.
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Have a few Hefeweizen on vacation sir! I was shocked not seeing your take to the new album. Get back to vacation now.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the meaning/significance of the album cover?
she seems to be emerging out of the paint (obscurity), which is a nice visual representation of what seems to happen in "Happy Returns" (ish?).
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the meaning/significance of the album cover?
She's a painter, and for some reason she prefers isolation to being with people. And for some reason that's not enough - she wants to disappear (according to her blog). The cover just shows exactly that.
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Just listened to a little bit of the new album in one of Full Sail's Mastering rooms on B&W speakers. Sounds stupidly good.
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Even songs like "Hand Cannot Erase", which I originally weren't completely blown away by, are now destroying my soul. This is easily my favorite SW album.
YES. The title track is just a HIT. It's the first thing I heard (with the iTunes single), and I didn't like it at all at first. In fact, I listened to it once, and since then not at all anymore, because I didn't feel like it. It made me extremely worried about the direction SW was going in.
But within this album, it's placed brilliantly and I guess it's really the 'anthem' of this record.
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Just listened to a little bit of the new album in one of Full Sail's Mastering rooms on B&W speakers. Sounds stupidly good.
Nice! I'd love to hear it on high end equipment in a treated room as well. The album still sounds amazing on my dynaudio studio monitors though.
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Perfect Life, while not seemingly much on its own, proves to be one of the pivotal tracks on the album. It tells an important part of the story, and its chord progression returns at the album's culmination, Ascendant Here On..., with an incredibly sad sense of nostalgia. They had the Perfect Life, and now it's gone forever.
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So true. And the beat of Perfect Life is massive. I love how it continues at the end of the track, almost on its own.
Also, best sounding album by SW ever. In any case, the most natural and pleasant recording he's ever produced. You're literally inside the music, it's so freaking detailed.
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Still. No. Album.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the meaning/significance of the album cover?
I haven't delved as deep into the complexity of this story as some, but to me it relates to the fact that she was trying to disappear (and that she was a painter), as she's seemingly tried to paint over her face. However, the title, to me, implies that no matter how hard you try, you can't completely obliterate a human life—Hand Cannot Erase—hence the fact that much of her face is still visible despite the paint.
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I worry that I might be listening to the album too much. It's normally not the best sign for longevity when I'm listening to the album on repeat so early.
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Yea I've been listening to it like twice a day.
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There's no getting around it- it's made such great first impressions for a reason. Hopefully it doesn't wear us out too much going forward.
Still think Happy Returns is my favorite track. Followed by essentially every other song, all tied for second :lol
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Steven Wilson, you are a freakin' badass. :tup
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Still. No. Album.
Just.Learned.Lesson.
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Typical. Nick. Fail.
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No album for me either. I think the Gods are taunting me. Probably my 2nd most anticipated album ever (behind the little slice of heaven in my avatar) and it's been a solid week of running to my mail box in anticipation followed by
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:lol Kev
I worry that I might be listening to the album too much. It's normally not the best sign for longevity when I'm listening to the album on repeat so early.
See, I'm listening to it a lot because I'm still trying to take it all in. It hasn't all clicked with me yet but I do love it. I'm on listen five in three days, so not too excessive.
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I'm still trying to take it all in
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I like to take my time when taking all of Steven in.
:eyebrows:
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I like procreating with Steven Wilson.
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I like to take my time when taking all of Steven in.
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Yes, but how does he compare to Lonestar?
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:corn
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Mine still hasn't arrived :censored... If it doesn't come today I might not have it till Monday since we don't get packages on Saturdays :censored :censored.
I did find out through BS's FAQ that it could take up to 7 working days, right after I sent them an inquiry of course. I got a fast response from a friendly person that reassured me that it should be here any time... Tracking numbers only come with insured packages btw (which I considered at the time because of it being a limited edition but I have NEVER had anything go missing in the mail in over 15+ years of net shopping).
If it doesn't come to day I may have to resort to ITunes since I really don't think I can wait any longer but at the same time I really want the whole experience of opening the deluxe package and listening for the first time with it in my hands...
Edit: And yet another day with a no show. Now I'm starting to really get a sinking feeling in my stomach that it is lost or stolen as uncommon/unlikely as that may be (although out where I live it would be such an unknown niche product that I have a hard time thinking it could disappear locally). The worst part is without insurance or tracking it doesn't look like I have any recourse if it is really gone :-(.
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I like to take my time when taking all of Steven in.
:eyebrows:
Yes, but how does he compare to Lonestar?
I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION
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Does anyone else absolutely love the "it's only the start, it's only the start" part of Transcience? I don't see much talk about that song but for a short interlude type song it is really, really good.
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Does anyone else absolutely love the "it's only the start, it's only the start" part of Transcience? I don't see much talk about that song but for a short interlude type song it is really, really good.
I mentioned exactly that part a few pages back. It's a great song by itself and it bridges Regret no. 9 nicely to Ancestral.
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Routine/Home Invasion/Regret #9 must be one of the best three-song runs on any SW album :hefdaddy
Does anyone else absolutely love the "it's only the start, it's only the start" part of Transcience? I don't see much talk about that song but for a short interlude type song it is really, really good.
Oh yeah, I like how the "aaah" melody reminds me of Lips of Ashes and the song itself sounds like Storm Corrosion.
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This album is just amazing. Wow.
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Routine/Home Invasion/Regret #9 must be one of the best three-song runs on any SW album :hefdaddy
Does anyone else absolutely love the "it's only the start, it's only the start" part of Transcience? I don't see much talk about that song but for a short interlude type song it is really, really good.
Oh yeah, I like how the "aaah" melody reminds me of Lips of Ashes and the song itself sounds like Storm Corrosion.
Indeed! I aldo get a Stupid Dream vibe from the harmonies in the "chorus"
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I just realized that the woman dies at the end of "Happy Returns." Steven's final words on that song, and the entire album itself, are: "I'm feeling kinda drowsy now, so I'll finish this tomorrow..." However, as we know from the real-life inspiration for the album, she never did wake up. She died surrounded by Christmas gifts she was wrapping. Steven really did a great job conveying that, I feel.
There's just so much to discover on this album musically, lyrically and artistically. I see myself still listening to, and appreciating, this album decades from now.
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There's just so much to discover on this album musically, lyrically and artistically. I see myself still listening to, and appreciating, this album decades from now.
Everything about it just screams 'classic' to me.
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I think Ancestral is going to turn out like Raider II did for me. A grower, that requires several listens to get it. It's starting to click now.
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Yeah, Ancestral has become my favorite at this point :heart
I just realized that the woman dies at the end of "Happy Returns." Steven's final words on that song, and the entire album itself, are: "I'm feeling kinda drowsy now, so I'll finish this tomorrow..." However, as we know from the real-life inspiration for the album, she never did wake up. She died surrounded by Christmas gifts she was wrapping. Steven really did a great job conveying that, I feel.
I think people are taking the Joyce Vincent thing a bit too seriously- it's not supposed to be exactly about that scenario, just inspired by it. Sure those are the last lyrics on the album, but if you read through the deluxe book and blog entries (though I realize not everybody has access to all of this) you will see there's no way she could die at that point, because she makes several entries after that. I suppose maybe the album and book are supposed to be considered two separate pieces of art with two different endings, but I dunno.
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As Steven says in album documentary, "she disappears", he never states how or that she dies.
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For me, and I don't have access to the booklet yet, just press tracks, the thing he really succeeds in conveying as the album progresses is how someone can disappear unnoticed from society, and that last line does a great job of representing her final step into isolation. Just brilliant.
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Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Me.
At this point I wish I could say fuck you to Burning Shed, refuse delivery, get my money back, and just go out to Best Buy. This is ridiculous.
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Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Me.
At this point I wish I could say fuck you to Burning Shed, refuse delivery, get my money back, and just go out to Best Buy. This is ridiculous.
Hate the USPS, they're the real dicks behind this.
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Yeah, Ancestral has become my favorite at this point :heart
I just realized that the woman dies at the end of "Happy Returns." Steven's final words on that song, and the entire album itself, are: "I'm feeling kinda drowsy now, so I'll finish this tomorrow..." However, as we know from the real-life inspiration for the album, she never did wake up. She died surrounded by Christmas gifts she was wrapping. Steven really did a great job conveying that, I feel.
I think people are taking the Joyce Vincent thing a bit too seriously- it's not supposed to be exactly about that scenario, just inspired by it. Sure those are the last lyrics on the album, but if you read through the deluxe book and blog entries (though I realize not everybody has access to all of this) you will see there's no way she could die at that point, because she makes several entries after that. I suppose maybe the album and book are supposed to be considered two separate pieces of art with two different endings, but I dunno.
I'll definitely have to read through the blog this weekend. Thanks for suggesting that. I didn't get the book, unfortunately. I love all these extra features that SW creates to enhance the experience.
Just knowing how Joyce ended up, I get chills every time I listen to "Happy Returns" where SW mentions the gifts -- and then more chills when I hear "Ascendant Here On."
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Great album. First two listens I liked it a lot but it didn't really standout.
Third listen and it really clicked!
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Yeah, Ancestral has become my favorite at this point :heart
I just realized that the woman dies at the end of "Happy Returns." Steven's final words on that song, and the entire album itself, are: "I'm feeling kinda drowsy now, so I'll finish this tomorrow..." However, as we know from the real-life inspiration for the album, she never did wake up. She died surrounded by Christmas gifts she was wrapping. Steven really did a great job conveying that, I feel.
I think people are taking the Joyce Vincent thing a bit too seriously- it's not supposed to be exactly about that scenario, just inspired by it. Sure those are the last lyrics on the album, but if you read through the deluxe book and blog entries (though I realize not everybody has access to all of this) you will see there's no way she could die at that point, because she makes several entries after that. I suppose maybe the album and book are supposed to be considered two separate pieces of art with two different endings, but I dunno.
I'll definitely have to read through the blog this weekend. Thanks for suggesting that. I didn't get the book, unfortunately. I love all these extra features that SW creates to enhance the experience.
I know! The blog actually has lots of entries the book doesn't (and there is a lot of weird, unexplained shit going on) so let me know what you think when you go through it. It's not that long of a read.
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Got this at Best Buy after searching other places.
It's a really fantastic album. I enjoy everything about it, the atmosphere, story, lyrics. It's finding beauty in the dark.
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Three listens in, and I'm liking it a lot. Lots of atmosphere and emotion, and I like how modern it sounds compared to GFD and TRTRTS.
The only real complaints I have so far is that, like Zantera said, while the whole album is very consistent I can't really see any of the songs being my absolute favorites of SW's solo work. In addition, some of the songwriting in the longer songs feels a bit incohesive. 3 Years Older goes from soft to loud and back again a bit too much in my opinion, Routine has a couple weird transitions but otherwise it's fine, and as others have pointed out, Ancestral kinda feels like two different songs, which is a bit annoying because the first half is so damn good.
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I love that the song go right into a different dynamics (Soft to loud). How many bands do that. There's purpose in his songwriting and SW is on top of that mountain.
I've cried for years now that dynamics have been lost in a large amount of music, specially in rock and metal. No doubt Steven get this.
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I think people are taking the Joyce Vincent thing a bit too seriously- it's not supposed to be exactly about that scenario, just inspired by it. Sure those are the last lyrics on the album, but if you read through the deluxe book and blog entries (though I realize not everybody has access to all of this) you will see there's no way she could die at that point, because she makes several entries after that. I suppose maybe the album and book are supposed to be considered two separate pieces of art with two different endings, but I dunno.
Agreed. To me, SW kind of leaves it open-ended where you can interpret it however you like.
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I love that the song go right into a different dynamics (Soft to loud). How many bands do that. There's purpose in his songwriting and SW is on top of that mountain.
I've cried for years now that dynamics have been lost in a large amount of music, specially in rock and metal. No doubt Steven get this.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that having dynamics and transitioning from soft to loud / vice versa is a bad thing, I love it. I'm just saying some songs do it better than others.
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I think people are taking the Joyce Vincent thing a bit too seriously- it's not supposed to be exactly about that scenario, just inspired by it. Sure those are the last lyrics on the album, but if you read through the deluxe book and blog entries (though I realize not everybody has access to all of this) you will see there's no way she could die at that point, because she makes several entries after that. I suppose maybe the album and book are supposed to be considered two separate pieces of art with two different endings, but I dunno.
Agreed. To me, SW kind of leaves it open-ended where you can interpret it however you like.
Yeah, and to me it's fucking aliens!
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I like to think that she died.
Not suicide... just.... bam. Dead.
I don't think too much about the "visitors" or anything :lol
But that's just me and my sick mind.
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Three listens in, and I'm liking it a lot. Lots of atmosphere and emotion, and I like how modern it sounds compared to GFD and TRTRTS.
The only real complaints I have so far is that, like Zantera said, while the whole album is very consistent I can't really see any of the songs being my absolute favorites of SW's solo work. In addition, some of the songwriting in the longer songs feels a bit incohesive. 3 Years Older goes from soft to loud and back again a bit too much in my opinion, Routine has a couple weird transitions but otherwise it's fine, and as others have pointed out, Ancestral kinda feels like two different songs, which is a bit annoying because the first half is so damn good.
Weird because I was actually thinking that this album features some of his best and most sensible songwriting compared to his other works, especially Routine. I had a problem with 3 years older's songwriting at first but it's starting to grow on me and really come together the more I listen.
Also, I really like the modern city vibe the album gives. SW is really good at creating atmospheres without changing his musical sound drastically (comparing GFD and The Raven to this album)
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My first listen through the album I was...underwhelmed. This is my first anticipated album of SW's career since I got into PT and his solo right before Raven was released. I was expecting the same melancholic feels that I love about his work, but it didn't happen. Now, a couple listens later and I think it is a brilliant album. The way SW can write whatever the hell he wants and do it PERFECTLY amazes me to know end. It's defiitely a grower album for me, so I can't say it's the best ever, but it has impressed me a lot.
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Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Me.
At this point I wish I could say fuck you to Burning Shed, refuse delivery, get my money back, and just go out to Best Buy. This is ridiculous.
Hate the USPS, they're the real dicks behind this.
It could be something that happened with the Royal Mail in the UK... I'm in Denmark and mine hasn't arrived yet either and our postal service is generally pretty damn reliable (like I said earlier I have never had anything go missing ever through mail order).
I'm not sure which version Nick ordered but if mine doesn't show up I'm just fucked since the Deluxe Box is sold out. Another thing is after reading Burning Sheds FAQ they seem to put all the responsibility on the buyer and the postal service in the country of destination but that seemed off to me so with a quick google search I found this (pertaining to EU residents at least, but can't imagine it's any different if you live in the US):
"I ordered a CD that I never received. I contacted the seller, who says it is the postal service that is responsible, not him. Is he right?
NO - The seller is responsible for the delivery of your purchase. It is the seller who must contact the delivery service and prove that the product was delivered. If the seller cannot prove this, they must send you the product again or give you a refund."
So optional insurance or not (never had to ensure or have ever been asked to ensure at my expense, anything I bought from Amazon or anywhere else for that matter) it looks like Burning Shed is responsible for safe delivery of my product (I stopped in the local shop where parcels are to be picked up if undeliverable yesterday anyway just to be sure that a delivery notice didn't get lost and they didn't have it).
All that being said, I'm not going to judge them before I see how they handle it if I doesn't show up today or Monday (then we'll be past the 7 working days they say to give it)... in the one mail correspondence I had with them so far they were fast and courteous with their response.
Unfortunately no matter what the reason is, this has kind of put a damper on the whole experience for me... not that I'll like the album any less because of it (of course) but being let down day after day when it hasn't shown up has been frustrating to say the least.
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I ordered the Blu-Ray. Friday was the 7th business day for me, 8th working day (as USPS delivers Saturday), and so I'm past the point of understanding. Be it Burning Shed, Royal Mail, or USPS I just want blood from someone. :lol
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I'm cleaning the house so I guess I'll put in my Blu Ray 5.1 in honor of you not driving to a store Nick. :lol
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I would have driven to a store on Tuesday if it didn't mean having two copies of the same damned thing.
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So this is all to say that Nick does not have The Perfect Life?
:millahhhh
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:lolpalm:
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So this is all to say that Nick does not have The Perfect Life?
:millahhhh
Maybe I'll pass the time by listening to some Fates Warning, and hoping once the postman comes, this will be another perfect day.
But likely I'll end up huddled in the corner, full fetal.
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Man, I would have just went and bought the regular CD at the store by now, which you could then give to a friend once your Blu-ray arrives.
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I have the tracks sitting on my computer. That's not the problem. SW 5.1 albums are glorious, and I don't intend to listen to the album for the first time any other way.
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Wow. Ancestral - Happy Returns - Ascendant Here On... may be my favourite three song run in SW's entire music catalogue. It's just absolutely perfect.
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Incredibly frustrating, it better be coming Monday..
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As much as I love his solo work, it'd be awesome if he would bust out some PT tracks other than Trains and Radioactive Toy. I'd imagine a track like Deadwing (underplayed live track; although the first time I went to see PT they opened with it) would sound killer with this band. The solos could be altered to Guthrie's style.. It would be great.
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He's built up enough solo songs to not have to do that anymore.
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It's not like he HAS to do it, but I agree that it would be nice. Considering he isn't very interested in going back to PT (except for maybe a one off thing), it would be a shame if he just disregarded 60-70% of his work of the last 20 years.
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Right, but he shouldn't really be expected to play the music of a totally different band just because people wanna hear it (especially now that he has four albums of solo material). Don't get me wrong, I was THRILLED to hear the Radioactive Toy encore last time I saw him... but I sorta considered that a special treat and would not expect it at future shows.
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Now... the way he opened some of the shows on the last tour with Trains before going in to Luminol... THAT would be cool to see.
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Finally listening for the first time now. Loving 3 Years Older so far.
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Man, I would have just went and bought the regular CD at the store by now, which you could then give to a friend once your Blu-ray arrives.
In my case, sadly, I don't have any friends that are fans (locally). I've been close to buying it on iTunes but hate to fork out extra "krone" when I already paid 60£/100$ for the deluxe (and like Nick, that's not how I want to hear it for the first time).
I just have to be patient and hope it shows up next week... If it doesn't arrive then it will mean it most likely won't show up and then I'll go out and buy the BD version. I just read that 28 days has to pass before I can contact support about a missing order.
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Now... the way he opened some of the shows on the last tour with Trains before going in to Luminol... THAT would be cool to see.
That was really cool, also the way it integrated with the opening video sequence... I was still a new SW fan at that point and wasn't a PT fan yet so probably would have enjoyed it that much more had I been (how I could be 48 at the time, a fairly big prog fan most of my life, and very aware of Gavin Harrison being a drummers drummer and NOT known about SW still kind of amazes me... I was just aware of the name PT but never took the initiative to find out more about them).
Does anyone know if Theo is going to be in the line up because if not he'll probably be focusing on material without so many, if any, wind instruments (Luminol has a bit of winds) and probably why he mentioned there will be songs that haven't been played in a long time (hopefully some PT songs).
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The press release announcing the new tour said there'd be some surprises from his past in the setlist, which makes me believe we may hear a PT song or two.
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I remember him saying he would pull out a couple of PT songs that had a similar vibe to
Hand. Cannot. Erase. He also stated that Theo will not be a part of this tour.
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Does anyone know if Theo is going to be in the line up because if not he'll probably be focusing on material without so many, if any, wind instruments (Luminol has a bit of winds) and probably why he mentioned there will be songs that haven't been played in a long time (hopefully some PT songs).
I can't imagine him not playing Ancestral and The Watchmaker, both of which feature wind instruments. I suspect he will be there.
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What about Signify, The Sky Moves Sideways, Hatesong, Shesmovedon, Russia On Ice or Buying New Soul? All old PT tracks, and I think they'd fit the show perfectly. And I'd love to see those live!
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Hand. Cannot. Erase. just entered the Finnish album chart at #4, which is the highest position for any SW release (including Porcupine Tree albums) to date here! :metal It also topped the Rumba magazine chart, which only counts purchases from independent record stores. Looks like I was correct about there being a buzz :D
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Bought the album from HD Tracks, the best option for us who do not have access to the CD. :)
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What about Signify, The Sky Moves Sideways, Hatesong, Shesmovedon, Russia On Ice or Buying New Soul? All old PT tracks, and I think they'd fit the show perfectly. And I'd love to see those live!
That'd be cool, but he has so much great solo material now that he doesn't need to play PT stuff to make a great set list.
Personally, I'd love to see him bust out some of his non-album/bonus solo tracks like The Birthday Party, Please Come Home, Collecting Space or Puncture Wound.
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Just a quick thought for the people saying that Ancestral seems like tow different songs, disjointedly pasted together:
It's the same bassline under Icicles as it is under the King-Crimson-esque section! It's actually a brilliantly subtle way to tie the two together...very different architecture atop the same foundation.
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Good call!
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What about Signify, The Sky Moves Sideways, Hatesong, Shesmovedon, Russia On Ice or Buying New Soul? All old PT tracks, and I think they'd fit the show perfectly. And I'd love to see those live!
That'd be cool, but he has so much great solo material now that he doesn't need to play PT stuff to make a great set list.
Personally, I'd love to see him bust out some of his non-album/bonus solo tracks like The Birthday Party, Please Come Home, Collecting Space or Puncture Wound.
Oh totally, he's got enough material for sure, but he has stated that he was bringing back at least one old song, I was just naming a few that would be cool and that would fit.
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I would become instantly aroused if Shesmovedon made an appearance at a show I'm at...
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It's the same bassline under Icicles as it is under the King-Crimson-esque section!
Guys, it's not "icicles", it's "a bicycle". :lol
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(accidental double post)
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I think people are taking the Joyce Vincent thing a bit too seriously- it's not supposed to be exactly about that scenario, just inspired by it. Sure those are the last lyrics on the album, but if you read through the deluxe book and blog entries (though I realize not everybody has access to all of this) you will see there's no way she could die at that point, because she makes several entries after that. I suppose maybe the album and book are supposed to be considered two separate pieces of art with two different endings, but I dunno.
There are no blog entries after the 'It's time to leave now' and 'Ascendant Here On...' ones. What more information is in the book? I'm really curious about the entries you mentioned.
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In the book, they skip all entries between 21st December 2014 and 28th February 2015, there's some weird shit happening between those dates on the blog.
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Hand. Cannot. Erase. UK chart positions: No. 13 in the main chart, and NO. 1 in the Rock Chart! :metal
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Hand. Cannot. Erase. UK chart positions: No. 13 in the main chart, and NO. 1 in the Rock Chart! :metal
How does this compare with previous SW/PT albums in the UK?
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What about Signify, The Sky Moves Sideways, Hatesong, Shesmovedon, Russia On Ice or Buying New Soul? All old PT tracks, and I think they'd fit the show perfectly. And I'd love to see those live!
That'd be cool, but he has so much great solo material now that he doesn't need to play PT stuff to make a great set list.
Personally, I'd love to see him bust out some of his non-album/bonus solo tracks like The Birthday Party, Please Come Home, Collecting Space or Puncture Wound.
Oh totally, he's got enough material for sure, but he has stated that he was bringing back at least one old song, I was just naming a few that would be cool and that would fit.
Understand. :coolio
I would become instantly aroused if Shesmovedon made an appearance at a show I'm at...
If he busted out Waiting, both parts 1 and 2, I would buy a ticket and making travel plans immediately for the nearest show to me after that. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I think people are taking the Joyce Vincent thing a bit too seriously- it's not supposed to be exactly about that scenario, just inspired by it. Sure those are the last lyrics on the album, but if you read through the deluxe book and blog entries (though I realize not everybody has access to all of this) you will see there's no way she could die at that point, because she makes several entries after that. I suppose maybe the album and book are supposed to be considered two separate pieces of art with two different endings, but I dunno.
There are no blog entries after the 'It's time to leave now' and 'Ascendant Here On...' ones. What more information is in the book? I'm really curious about the entries you mentioned.
That's not what I was talking about, though- the post I replied to (I forget who said it) was saying she dies after not finishing the letter to her brother, and I was saying that can't be possible because there are several entries after that. The "Ascendant Here On..." is the last entry in both the blog and the book, but the blog has many posts that the book doesn't... and like BRGM says, there is some WEIRD shit happening in those entries.
The only thing the book has that the blog doesn't is the additional documents- her birth certificate, her journal from when she was younger (which also has some weird stuff in it), the "Key of Skeleton" book (kinda creepy)... oh, and the song lyrics of course, which are sometimes presented in very cool ways (on a postcard, in an envelope, in her journal).
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Do we have ANY idea what "Ascendant Here On..." means? Either the title or the weird (though lovely) pictures?
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It's her disappearing, we don't know if she dies, she completely isolates herself or gets abducted by those strange "visitors"
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That's not what I was talking about, though- the post I replied to (I forget who said it) was saying she dies after not finishing the letter to her brother, and I was saying that can't be possible because there are several entries after that. The "Ascendant Here On..." is the last entry in both the blog and the book, but the blog has many posts that the book doesn't... and like BRGM says, there is some WEIRD shit happening in those entries.
The only thing the book has that the blog doesn't is the additional documents- her birth certificate, her journal from when she was younger (which also has some weird stuff in it), the "Key of Skeleton" book (kinda creepy)... oh, and the song lyrics of course, which are sometimes presented in very cool ways (on a postcard, in an envelope, in her journal).
Ok, but the letter to her brother isn't mentioned in the blog, right? Is it mentioned in the book?
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it's in the book as an actual letter in an envelope.
the book and the blog are the same thing, spread across two platforms. the entries in the blog fit into the date gaps in the book content.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the albhm has one production flaw: the bass drums are low. It's hard to discern Marco's footwork.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the albhm has one production flaw: the bass drums are low. It's hard to discern Marco's footwork.
What are you listening the album on? Make sure to listen on some good equipment and turn off EQ.
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Yeah, though the physical letter to her brother is only in the book, the text of it is exactly the same as the song lyrics, except the letter has a date on it, which coincides with the journal entry where she says she barely knows her brother.
Do we have ANY idea what "Ascendant Here On..." means? Either the title or the weird (though lovely) pictures?
It's her disappearing, we don't know if she dies, she completely isolates herself or gets abducted by those strange "visitors"
I think the photos serve the purpose of being intentionally ambiguous but meant to evoke images of alien/space-type stuff. The last photo in the book (which isn't in the blog) almost looks like an actual space photo, but may just be a very starry night sky.
As for the title, it obviously refers to some sort of ascension, which could be literal or figurative. If there are "visitors" it could mean she's actually ascended with them, or that in death she believes she will be ascending, or if she's crazy that she thinks in her isolation/hallucinations she's reaching some sort of higher plane. The "here on" could mean "from here on out" oooor even possibly be referring to wherever she has gone or thinks she has gone. Like "here on Mars." Who the hell knows, but it's fun to speculate :lol
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Am I the only one who thinks that the albhm has one production flaw: the bass drums are low. It's hard to discern Marco's footwork.
What are you listening the album on? Make sure to listen on some good equipment and turn off EQ.
I am listening on good earphones, but not in-ears. I damaged my in-ears. I have been comparing the bass drums to those of Haken's The Mountain and some DT albums, and I think I prefer the more audible bass drums in those albums.
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Had to stop at home today and...
IT HATH ARRIVED.
Can't wait to get out of work. This thing is going to be on a loop tonight and tomorrow night.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the albhm has one production flaw: the bass drums are low. It's hard to discern Marco's footwork.
What are you listening the album on? Make sure to listen on some good equipment and turn off EQ.
I am listening on good earphones, but not in-ears. I damaged my in-ears. I have been comparing the bass drums to those of Haken's The Mountain and some DT albums, and I think I prefer the more audible bass drums in those albums.
Yeah those albums've got some pretty loud bass drums, I do however find the bass drums to be alot more audible on this release than on the Raven.
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Yeah, though the physical letter to her brother is only in the book, the text of it is exactly the same as the song lyrics, except the letter has a date on it, which coincides with the journal entry where she says she barely knows her brother.
Do we have ANY idea what "Ascendant Here On..." means? Either the title or the weird (though lovely) pictures?
It's her disappearing, we don't know if she dies, she completely isolates herself or gets abducted by those strange "visitors"
I think the photos serve the purpose of being intentionally ambiguous but meant to evoke images of alien/space-type stuff. The last photo in the book (which isn't in the blog) almost looks like an actual space photo, but may just be a very starry night sky.
As for the title, it obviously refers to some sort of ascension, which could be literal or figurative. If there are "visitors" it could mean she's actually ascended with them, or that in death she believes she will be ascending, or if she's crazy that she thinks in her isolation/hallucinations she's reaching some sort of higher plane. The "here on" could mean "from here on out" oooor even possibly be referring to wherever she has gone or thinks she has gone. Like "here on Mars." Who the hell knows, but it's fun to speculate :lol
I will not have your alien stuff, I'm sorry :lol
There's a big difference in the ghost stories of Raven, and stories of alien abduction. Ghost stories are classic, they have been written for ages, and though there are stories of extra-terrestrial beings going back a long time, most of them have been written by lunatics, ghost stories by writers.
(https://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/58/d3/58d38fcd1fd4173b0028a11d06beb247.jpg?itok=ASxDDxjy)
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If this album is confirmed to be about alien abductions I will definetaly like the album a lot less. For now I will just ignore all that and stick to my own interpretation.
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I'm eagerly waiting for SW to announce more shows in South America, so far Chile is the only country where the shows are confirmed..... WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG??!!!
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With all those different packaging options, I'm still missing the "adult diaper package". For that first listen.
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So Rumbo it's true then that Hands.Cannot.Erase. that mess.
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I love this album so much I shelled out $150 for an unopened copy of the Deluxe Edition on eBay. It's my compensation for not being able to see Wilson live this year. :(
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*wrong thread*!
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So Rumbo it's true then that Hands.Cannot.Erase. that mess.
:rollin :rollin
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Once you regret #2, the stench is ascendant, from there on.
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I was wondering, what do you think of the title now? Do you still hate it? I've got used to it, and kind of like it - it gives it a modern artistic air, which fits considering how modern it sounds, and the character's job as a painter.
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I always liked it. Still like it.
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I always liked it. Still like it.
Yup
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Still neutral on the title here. It's fine.
Once you regret #2, the stench is ascendant, from there on.
:rollin
Yeah, though the physical letter to her brother is only in the book, the text of it is exactly the same as the song lyrics, except the letter has a date on it, which coincides with the journal entry where she says she barely knows her brother.
Do we have ANY idea what "Ascendant Here On..." means? Either the title or the weird (though lovely) pictures?
It's her disappearing, we don't know if she dies, she completely isolates herself or gets abducted by those strange "visitors"
I think the photos serve the purpose of being intentionally ambiguous but meant to evoke images of alien/space-type stuff. The last photo in the book (which isn't in the blog) almost looks like an actual space photo, but may just be a very starry night sky.
As for the title, it obviously refers to some sort of ascension, which could be literal or figurative. If there are "visitors" it could mean she's actually ascended with them, or that in death she believes she will be ascending, or if she's crazy that she thinks in her isolation/hallucinations she's reaching some sort of higher plane. The "here on" could mean "from here on out" oooor even possibly be referring to wherever she has gone or thinks she has gone. Like "here on Mars." Who the hell knows, but it's fun to speculate :lol
I will not have your alien stuff, I'm sorry :lol
There's a big difference in the ghost stories of Raven, and stories of alien abduction. Ghost stories are classic, they have been written for ages, and though there are stories of extra-terrestrial beings going back a long time, most of them have been written by lunatics, ghost stories by writers.
Well, for the record in the post you quoted I was presenting several different options, not saying "It's definitely aliens, yo." But I'll still debate you on this because I find it very interesting :P
I'm still not sure why it would be soo out of the blue for someone like Steven Wilson to cover that topic, considering his track record. Even if ghost stories are "classic" there's just as little evidence to back them up AND true or not, the whole alien thing has become almost as much a part of culture. It's a very common topic in books, in film, on TV... why not music? What if he finds the concept interesting? Writing about the topic doesn't mean he's a crazy person who thinks he's going to be abducted by aliens, it just means he wanted to write about it. The songs in Raven imply that ghosts are real, so why can't this album imply that aliens are among us? Why does it have to be realistic or logical? It's art!
And really, whether or not it's all in her head or it's real, one read through the blog and there is no denying that it's full of references to "visitors" and her leaving the world with them... so I'm not sure why it's so far-fetched to think aliens are a possibility for a fictional concept written by the same man who's responsible for On The Sunday of Life and a song that samples Richard Nixon's phone call to the moon :lol
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Ghost stories are classic, they have been written for ages, and though there are stories of extra-terrestrial beings going back a long time, most of them have been written by lunatics, ghost stories by writers.
Also, the more I read it the more I completely disagree with this point. (First of all, you're implying that ghost stories are inherently more legit, but this just doesn't make sense.) There are tons of respectable alien/space stories out there in so many different venues. I can't even begin to list them, but just think of all the movies/books/shows you can name that involve aliens. Sure, the people who created some of these might be (awesomely) weird, but they're not all lunatics. They're people interested in the subject matter, from an artistic perspective, from a sociological perspective, from a money-making perspective, from the perspective I hold which is "There's no fucking way Earth has the only life in this giant fucking universe. Maybe it's like this..."
Whether or not you believe in aliens, they exist in our consciousness, if that makes sense. And they're a part of society. Therefore, ART!
Also, even IF you were right about the ghosts vs. aliens thing... so what? Why would that discount SW's interest in the topic and/or the possibility that he wanted to include it in his album? I just don't actually see why this is relevant, the more I think about it.
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Anyways, I don't give too much importance on how she disappears, the album's not about that. So i simply ignore any speculation of sorts :lol
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I believe she's schizophrenic, and sees and perceives these visitors. That explains a lot of her visions, and how she finds new photos from time to time.
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Yeah, I simply interpreted all the weird/supernatural stuff towards the end of the blog as her finally losing her mind from the isolation. No aliens. She isolates herself, she slowly goes insane, she dies. That's it. :lol
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I believe she's schizophrenic, and sees and perceives these visitors. That explains a lot of her visions, and how she finds new photos from time to time.
Okay... so who took the photo of her and her sister sitting by the water, and how did she post it on a blog if it doesn't actually exist? Is the reader also hallucinating? :lol
(Also, there's not nearly enough info here for a DSM diagnosis, but the odds of schizophrenia onset at such a young age-considering these visitors have been coming since she was 13 or younger-are very unlikely.)
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Yeah, though the physical letter to her brother is only in the book, the text of it is exactly the same as the song lyrics, except the letter has a date on it, which coincides with the journal entry where she says she barely knows her brother.
Hmm, that's interesting. Having read only the blog (I don't have the deluxe) and listened to the album, I thought the 'Happy Returns' bit was supposed to be after she disappeared and came back. Why? Because the 28th February entry of the blog says 'You can come back if you want to...' which is also in Ancestral, which of course is the song before Happy Returns. I also interpreted the lyrics to 'Happy Returns' as having a positive/optimistic side to them: it always seemed to me she realised while writing that letter that she wanted to change how she lived (because of the 'I feel I'm living in parentheses' and 'do the kids remember me?' parts). That, of course, meant for me that the story ended with her disappearing/dying/whatever after not finishing that letter.
However, with the letter (21 December 2014 then, isn't it?) being dated before the 'Ancestral' (28th February 2015) part means that she decides to leave in the end after all? Or dies, or gets abducted, or whatever. I found a quote in this interview (https://www.undertheradarmag.com/interviews/steven_wilson/):
Interviewer: 'Joyce Carol Vincent's story didn't end well. But your story seems to end on a hopeful note on "Happy Returns" and "Ascendant Here On"—the protagonist of your story is trying to reconnect with her loved ones. The music is bright rather than melancholy. Take me into your decision to end the album on that note rather than end on a downbeat, like Joyce Carol Vincent's story.'
Steven Wilson: 'I think it would've been a real downer and depressing to base the story exactly on Joyce Carol Vincent. It had a tragic ending. In my story, [the ending] is definitely ambiguous. It's interesting—we talked a little bit about science fiction earlier on—there's actually a little frisson of sci-fi possibility in there. In her blog, she talks about visitors in the night and people talking to her about some other place so there's little hint of that. I like the fact that it's ambiguous.
I think you're right, it has got a hopeful ending. You can make up your own mind about where this character goes.'
Regarding the alien abduction stuff: I think I agree with Buddyhunter here, at least on the supernatural stuff being hallucinations. I do find it very intriguing though. The 'they visited today' etc. parts give the story a really cool David Lynch-like quality, especially with them never being explained properly.
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Yeah, definitely some Lynch in there. Like I said, I'm not discounting the possibility of her being crazy, but it simply doesn't explain the photograph and other things.
The letter, I believe is dated December 22nd 2014, so the day after the blog entry.
Thanks for sharing that interview, haven't read it yet but the fact that he says there's sci-fi "possibility" shows that I'm not completely fucking crazy for interpreting this the way I do, as some folks here would like to have me think :lol
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The alien stuff doesn't bother me much; I find it interesting. What I find frustrating is that now in the blog and the book it seems to me as if 'Ancestral' and 'Happy Returns' have swapped places regarding their lyrics. It's great to have a story/concept to speculate about and to discuss, but now it almost seems to me we have two different versions of the story...
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A non-alien-related lyrical question I've been thinking about: From whose perspective is 3 Years Older written? Is it the guy that the main character dated in college who fell in love with her?
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I assumed it was for her sister, who was three years older.
edit: also, in the deluxe book those lyrics are included in with her little teenage journal from when her sister lived with her.
The alien stuff doesn't bother me much; I find it interesting. What I find frustrating is that now in the blog and the book it seems to me as if 'Ancestral' and 'Happy Returns' have swapped places regarding their lyrics. It's great to have a story/concept to speculate about and to discuss, but now it almost seems to me we have two different versions of the story...
Well, the blog technically doesn't have either song, because the lyrics are only in the book/album. Yeah, there's a blog entry about her brother and one saying "You can come back," but I don't think the latter should be taken as a one-time thing. She's obviously talked to these "visitors" (whoever they are) maaany times and been told a lot of the same things. So I don't think anything is swapped, necessarily, because I don't think it needs to be in a particular order.
Anyway, the story is supposed to be ambiguous as he says, so it's no wonder we are getting it from different angles... but I don't really think it's two whole different versions.
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That makes more sense than what I thought, probably.
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Well, interesting first day with this album, but in a word I'd say I'm underwhelmed. With Raven I loved the album from listen 1 and it only grew from there. Here I just have a problem latching on to much after the title track. I feel a track similar to the title track thrown in half way and nearer the end of the album could have really balanced it more.
Soundwise, it is of course pristine, and I enjoy the ambient sections a good bit, it just seems to wander musically and lyrically into nowhere. I usually don't read into lyrics much, but I read everything, and even read the online journal thing, and was just kinda left pissed off. Like, this is all very cool, but what the fuck does it all mean? I suppose it's why I hate poetry most of the time, I hate open ended bullshit. I want to be told a story and have some clue what the hell is going on. I realize that's not Wilson's style, but since I took a rare investment into that realm of things I was kinda annoyed.
I full expect the album will grow on me, but I can't even fathom this touching Raven.
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How many times have you heard it? The first time I heard it I wondered what the fuck was even going on. The second time it started to come together a little clearer, and within a few hours I was craving listen #3. For me, it grew massively. No idea if it'll beat Raven; it's way too early to say, but they're both fantastic in my opinion.
I have to say that I have no idea what the fuck it all means either, but I'm used to Steven writing lyrics that are far from my cup of tea. When the music is THIS good, I'll take it.
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Yeah, I didn't love it on first listen but it definitely grew on me a lot and still is growing.
Nick, I don't think the story is THAT ambiguous. Sure, we don't know how it ends, but the blog and all of that give you a really interesting glimpse into the life of a person, at the very least. It's not like the language is hard to follow or understand- it just leaves you not knowing if this woman is crazy or has actually left the earth with some visitors. But it's not like you have absolutely no idea what's going on. You know a lot about her and her life, her past, her art, etc. Everything doesn't need to be spelled out for it to be enjoyable IMO. I rather enjoy the discussion we've been having here, which wouldn't be possible had things been laid out more obviously.
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IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH BIRDMAN AND PLAN TO PLEASE DPN'T READ THIS MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD
It's like Birdman, we don't know if he died or flied or hell, even hallucinated the whole scene, IMO it's the last one.
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Well, the blog technically doesn't have either song, because the lyrics are only in the book/album. Yeah, there's a blog entry about her brother and one saying "You can come back," but I don't think the latter should be taken as a one-time thing. She's obviously talked to these "visitors" (whoever they are) maaany times and been told a lot of the same things. So I don't think anything is swapped, necessarily, because I don't think it needs to be in a particular order.
Anyway, the story is supposed to be ambiguous as he says, so it's no wonder we are getting it from different angles... but I don't really think it's two whole different versions.
I see your point. Nonetheless, as I said, my view on the story was that 'Ancestral' showed the part where she decides to leave or at least hits a low in her mental situation. Following that, 'Happy Returns' could be seen as a semi-positive turn, where she wants to reconnect with her family, but failing to do so because she gets drowsy and 'disappears' after that. With the blog having the stories in different orders, I think my view on the story is disproven :(
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I have no idea what this album is about, other than that is was somewhat inspired by the film 'Dream of a Life' (which I have watched), but from the lyrics I can hear and connect with, I find it hard to make them fit with what was portrayed in that film. That said, I'm not really much of a lyrics person anyway, so I couldn't really care less what they are about (that is; unless they're so blatantly in-your-face bad that you can't ignore them, but that doesn't seem to be the case with this album.
That said, and here comes a statement that's probably made every time this man makes a new album, but I honestly think that after 3-5 listens this is his strongest solo album to date. The album is full of highlights, with the only 'low' point for me being the first quarter/third of 'Ancestral' (the second half however, from the guitar solo on, is gorgeous). My favourite part of the record will have to be the amazing double-punch of 'Home Invasion' and 'Regret #9', the latter being especially great (that guitar solo, holy shit Guthrie Govan I love you.). I'm seeing him live in two weeks and I honestly hope he will play the album in full. It would be quite the experience! :)
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For me, the weakest point at first was Home Invasion (I didn't like the 'Download...' parts), but you're right, that one-two punch in combination with Regret #9 is amazing.
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I have no idea what this album is about, other than that is was somewhat inspired by the film 'Dream of a Life' (which I have watched), but from the lyrics I can hear and connect with, I find it hard to make them fit with what was portrayed in that film.
That's the thing. The album is not supposed to be a portrayal of the film. Just inspired by it.
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Posted my review for the album on my blog. What a masterpiece!
And on the subject of Home Invasion, the way the second half instantly transitions from prog jamming to that gorgeous chorus is just mindblowing.
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The album is full of highlights, with the only 'low' point for me being the first quarter/third of 'Ancestral'
That's actually my favourite section from the album, including the guitar solo.
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This album has no weak parts.
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I'm not sure whether I like this more than Raven yet. Take out Regret #9 and it's definitely better than Raven. Still need more time to decide for sure.
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Take out Regret #9 and it's definitely better than Raven.
What?
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I was wondering, what do you think of the title now? Do you still hate it? I've got used to it, and kind of like it - it gives it a modern artistic air, which fits considering how modern it sounds, and the character's job as a painter.
I love it. I'm curious about the meaning of the periods between each word in the title. Anyone have a thought on that?
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Ok, I just looked through the booklet and the center of it seems to indicate some sort of Visitors.
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I feel like this is probably more cohesive and consistent than Raven, but Raven had a few standout tracks that none of the new tracks comes even close to. Surprisingly enough it's the epics that are among the weaker ones on HCE. Routine is an exception, but Ancestral has 5 great minutes at the start, but once the big climax is over, the song just kinda drifts aimlessly. 3 Years Older is good enough, but I probably prefer Luminol.
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Take out Regret #9 and it's definitely better than Raven.
What?
Eh, it just feels kind of pointless. Maybe solos don't speak to me as much as they used to but I find it pretty skippable.
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Regret #9 guitar solo is the best solo I've heard in ages, just sayin'.. that's an unskippable part for me, but I get what you're trying to say.
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I agree with LLTWM. I appreciate a good solo, of any kind, every now and then, but when you dedicate an entire 5 min track to it, it feels a bit wasteful.
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Guys, I think I figured out the story.
It's all just a program of the Dream Sequencer.
Well, I can sleep easy now.
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Guys, I think I figured out the story.
It's all just a program of the Dream Sequencer.
Well, I can sleep easy now.
/thread
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I agree with LLTWM. I appreciate a good solo, of any kind, every now and then, but when you dedicate an entire 5 min track to it, it feels a bit wasteful.
Yeah that's basically how I feel. Just kind of excessive.
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I got my copy last Thursday. And I share my disappointment with the rest of you about Burning Shed. Annoying to have it be delayed so much. And the Bluray version I got had a download code. It would have been nice if they could have sent that ahead of time to my email so I could enjoy the album prior to getting my Bluray. In contrast, last year I bought an album by a fairly small band called Cea Serin as soon as the preorders were available. It took a couple months for the CD to show up but I was immediately given access to the album on FLAC which also had a PDF of the liner.
Anyway onto the album itself. I was hesitant when listening to this as Raven is easily my favorite album of the last 10 years. So I was worried I would be letdown and fortunately I was not! This album is extremely good though I might like Raven better. Time will tell. The highlights for me are definitely Regret #9, Ancestral, and Happy Returns. That's not to say I don't like the rest of the album, it is just those tracks that stand out the most for me. The guitar solos on both Regret #9 and Ancestral are absolutely amazing. The solo on Ancestral in particular might be the best guitar solo I've ever heard. And I love the moog solo on Regret #9. In someone ways it reminds me of Zappa's "Sy-Borg" but it is so much better than that solo.
The title track is really good though I'm still not sure exactly what "Hand cannot erase this love" even means. I like the Yes elements on 3 Years Older. I imagine that is his 5.1 work on their catalog rubbing off. Much like his work with KC rubbed off on parts of Grace for Drowning.
Speaking of 5.1, the 5.1 mix of this album sounds awesome though at this point I'd be very surprised if it didn't. Steven just has a great knack for it.
I'll probably be avoiding this thread once the tour starts in a couple of days. I really don't want any spoilers when I see them in Boulder in June.
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having never seen SW live before I'm wondering if someone can shed some light on this...
how does he perform songs on his next album while touring for a current album? like playing Luminol on GFD tour, or Ancestral on TRTRTS tour. Does he just write albums way ahead of when he records them? Id be surprised otherwise, especially in the case of Ancestral, where its a piece of a story that wouldn't have been written yet. any insight to this?
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having never seen SW live before I'm wondering if someone can shed some light on this...
how does he perform songs on his next album while touring for a current album? like playing Luminol on GFD tour, or Ancestral on TRTRTS tour. Does he just write albums way ahead of when he records them? Id be surprised otherwise, especially in the case of Ancestral, where its a piece of a story that wouldn't have been written yet. any insight to this?
well it has to be written or else they don't have anything to perform, now do they? :D
have you listened to his demos released with Raven and GFD? he probably sends them to the band once he knows he wants to debut them on tour and they learn them.
as for lyrics, it's very easy to work the whole frame around one or two bits you've got written. that's how longer poems and so on get constructed.
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Eh, I like Regret #9 and understand if people don't like instrumentals, but it doesn't seem wasteful regardless cuz it's not like SW was desperate to fill disc space or anything. I think it packs an awesome punch given the generally melodic, musically timid feel of HCE. Compared to The Raven, at least, which basically had everyone showing how good they were for most of the album.
But yeah, album/album ending interpretation below for anyone who cares to read :metal (spoilers of course for anyone avoiding them..?)
The aliens idea is interesting, idk if I'd fly that way :biggrin: It seems unlikely for Steven, but maybe likely at the same time. The space imagery in the blog just gives me that "disappeared" or "drifted away" sense, that she has ascended past the physical world and has simply disappeared or been "erased," ambiguously speaking.
In more non-ambiguous terms, I think she might've offed herself in Ancestral. The growing tension of the ending almost seems to represent suicide. Disturbing, dark, building up and ending on that final burst of action and then nothing, calmness (the clean guitar at the end). That's how I took it, at least.
I interpret Happy Returns as a look in the past of letters she wrote (and perhaps never sent) while she was isolated, perhaps the night before the events of Ancestral. It adds a sense of irony and sadness to wrap up as she says "I bet you thought I was dead, but I'm still here," "I have gifts for them," "I'll finish this tomorrow." Nothing's changed, the years just passed by, etc. etc.
It's really depressing if you look at it that way, that it seemed like she was doing better and planned on going back out and seeing her friends/family, before then declining again and ultimately ending her life the next day (the events of Ancestral). It seemed like in the end she could erase herself, but she could never erase the love she had for her family (hence the title/title track? ). And then Ascendant represents her fading life, and how she's now drifted off and is gone from the "living world," forever erased.
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Nel. Buys. Album.
Will. Listen. Soon.
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Again, I have no idea what the story should be, but the ending of Ancestral representing suicide is probably a good guess!
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Makes sense, the Ancestral entry on the blog is after the Happy returns one.
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Finally, I have bought a new set of in-ears.
BLISS. Now I can appreciate the album fully (and hear the bass drums :p).
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Listened to Key of Skeleton, got Silent Sorrow by The Flower Kings stuck in my head rest of the day! :o
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Theneedledrop review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHShxTVDv7E
Haven't watched it yet, but I'm thinking he'll rate it higher than he rated The Raven, which was like a 5/10 if I recall correctly.
EDIT: Yeah, thought so. He just doesn't dig SW's music, no biggie. At least he can clarify his opinion. I disagree completely, but I think he's an excellent reviewer nonetheless.
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Great review as usual from him. I think he puts it pretty perfectly in words. I agree with the negatives and some of the positives, though I was slightly more favorable with my rating. (I would say this album like Raven is somewhere in the 7.5-8 out of 10 region) Pretty good, but not modern day classic.
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He's a fantastic reviewer, although I agree with him only in about 50% of cases. And this is obviously not one of those.
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Just shoot me:
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I get long shipping times, but how could there possibly be such a huge uncertainty on the delivery date? Does Canada get spontaneously and unpredictably larger at times? :yeahright
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Man, 'First Regret' is such an excellent start. I just love that deep electronic vibe. And the Boards of Canada piano part.. crazy how much it sounds like them. I wouldn't mind if Steven did a full on electronic song-based album.
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This is off topic but does anyone listen to No-Man, how are they and how do they compare with SW/PT?
Has anyone seen or bought the No-Man Mixtaped documentary DVD?
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No-man is quite a mix of ambient with folk, very minimalistic. The music is beautiful, but I guess you have to like that kind of stuff to get into it.
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This is off topic but does anyone listen to No-Man, how are they and how do they compare with SW/PT?
Has anyone seen or bought the No-Man Mixtaped documentary DVD?
I can't get into No-Man no matter how hard I try. It's good.. it sounds good. But I just don't care for it.
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I like some of the No-Man stuff a lot, but I rarely listen to it simply because there is only so much time per week for me to listen to tunes and SW has too much other stuff that is better for when I want my fix.
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I once tried to get into No-Man, and realized about a month later that I had bought a bunch of albums by Nosound. Still need to take an actual crack at No-Man someday. :lol
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No-Man are awesome. Flowermouth and Returning Jesus are great albums.
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This is off topic but does anyone listen to No-Man, how are they and how do they compare with SW/PT?
Has anyone seen or bought the No-Man Mixtaped documentary DVD?
Mixtaped is great, but not a great intro to the band. try Together We're Stranger, especially if you're familiar with Bass Communion.
or, if you'd rather do the compilation route, All the Blue Changes is an excellently well made one.
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He thanks Gavin in the liner notes. Maybe I missed something in the song credits, but I wonder he did to be thanked in the liner notes.
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Regret #9, oh my god...
I love Home Invasion.
This is a great concept album, musically and lyrically.
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RE: No-Man - Apart from SW's solo career and PT, I find that I enjoy No-Man the most after those two aforementioned discographies. From Flowermouth onward, there's some great music on each album, although I'm partial to Together We're Stranger and Schoolyard Ghosts, which came out about 7 years ago (which is REALLY hard to believe). It's sad that with SW's solo career, there will likely never be another No-Man album any time soon, although Tim Bowness released a great album last year.
I'm not sure why, but the music of No-Man just hits me harder than other things like IEM or Bass Communion, which just aren't for me. I get why some might like them and what their appeal might be to certain music lovers, but the ambient, drone stuff just doesn't do it for me. I like great SONGS with good lyrics, hooks, drum beats and grooves, and most of the stuff that SW does in those groups just doesn't have it, so after PT, Blackfield, No-Man and SW's solo career, I just sort of stopped with SW's other projects, but to be honest, between those four discographies alone, there's still SO MUCH GOOD MUSIC that I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything huge in regards to SW's output.
-Marc.
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Man...This story is sad....Good, beautiful, heartening, music.
This is my first AOTY...Ever.. It's that good folks.
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No-Man is awesome. Schoolyard Ghosts is a true gem, and I would rate it among his top6 albums or something.
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It's been two weeks today since mine was posted and I still don't have it (and I'm not on the other side of the Atlantic but a four hour boat ride from the UK) :-(.
I wrote to BS yesterday and they are still assuring me that as long as my address was correct (which of course it was) that I should get it.
Like someone else mentioned I really wish they had included a download code for pre orders (redeemable on release day). It REALLY sucks that I can't even listen to the album and participate in the discussion going on here (doing my best to avoid story details) without buying it again or pirating it (I don't want to do either).
On a side note pictures are up on SWs site from production rehearsals... Can't wait to see him in April!!!
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...long story... mentions Flowermouth, Together We're Stranger and Schoolyard Ghosts...
Yes, exactly that! I even think I like No Man more than Porcupine Tree.
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As I enjoy SW the vocalist more, it's taken me longer to get into No-Man than his other projects.
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So tonight is the first show of the tour, wonder what the setlist will look like.
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So tonight is the first show of the tour, wonder what the setlist will look like.
Everybody PLEASE spoiler warn before posting anything set related. I'm seeing him two weeks from now and I prefer to be surprised.
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So tonight is the first show of the tour, wonder what the setlist will look like.
I'm hoping he plays the entire album start to finish.
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So tonight is the first show of the tour, wonder what the setlist will look like.
Everybody PLEASE spoiler warn before posting anything set related. I'm seeing him two weeks from now and I prefer to be surprised.
Agreed. I will probably be avoiding the setlists, though of course I know it'll be a lot of new stuff. Can't fucking wait, and it's three more months!
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So tonight is the first show of the tour, wonder what the setlist will look like.
I'm hoping he plays the entire album start to finish.
That would be neat, but without Ninet and Theo? I guess it's still doable.
I'd also like to not get the setlist spoiled but I know I'm not strong enough :lol
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Yeah lets avoid posting the set lists here if that's cool.
If anyone IS curious, it should be on setlist.fm very soon.
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So tonight is the first show of the tour, wonder what the setlist will look like.
Everybody PLEASE spoiler warn before posting anything set related. I'm seeing him two weeks from now and I prefer to be surprised.
Yes please.
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So tonight is the first show of the tour, wonder what the setlist will look like.
I'm hoping he plays the entire album start to finish.
That would be neat, but without Ninet and Theo? I guess it's still doable.
I'd also like to not get the setlist spoiled but I know I'm not strong enough :lol
Is Theo not touring with him this time? I hadn't heard that confirmed anywhere. Only thing I heard about the tour is that he got replacements for Marco and Guthrie for the Americas/Canada tour. I get that most of the new album doesn't have him on it, but there is plenty of material from older records where I don't see how they do it without a wind player.
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So tonight is the first show of the tour, wonder what the setlist will look like.
I'm hoping he plays the entire album start to finish.
That would be neat, but without Ninet and Theo? I guess it's still doable.
I'd also like to not get the setlist spoiled but I know I'm not strong enough :lol
Is Theo not touring with him this time? I hadn't heard that confirmed anywhere. Only thing I heard about the tour is that he got replacements for Marco and Guthrie for the Americas/Canada tour. I get that most of the new album doesn't have him on it, but there is plenty of material from older records where I don't see how they do it without a wind player.
I'm not a hundred percent certain, but I recall Steven mentioning it, plus I haven't seen him on Lasse Hoiles pictures of them rehearsing.
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I remember Steven mentioning that Theo wasn't needed as much in the recording of the album... hence the reason he is listed as an extra musician or something in the notes.
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Little bit of a PSA a moment.
This is the Steven Wilson thread. People are going to talk about the Steven Wilson tour. If people choose to try and keep any big spoilers hidden that's up to them and fine. But the onus is on people who don't want it spoiled not to visit the thread until their show if they truly want to be spoiler free. Please do not come in here, have something spoiled, and complain about it. Avoid the thread till your show.
And now back to your regularly scheduled program.
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That's right, Nick. If I was afraid of having the setlist spoiled I would stay as far away from the thread as possible.
With that being said, since it's really not an inconvenience for me, I'm going to use the tiny text anyways.
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I'm not sure why, but the music of No-Man just hits me harder than other things like IEM or Bass Communion, which just aren't for me.
y'know, i think the reason i enjoy No-Man so much is that it's like looking at SW's work through a whole other perspective. the way he's reworked PT and BC stuff into No-Man songs is just a really awesome take on some of his best work – "Mute" vs. "Days in the Trees," "Something Falls" vs. "Spiral Circus," "Wake as Gun" vs. "Jack the Sax," "Drugged" vs. "Together We're Stranger"; it's all the other side of a prolific musician.
everyone at least needs to hear "Truenorth." it's all of No-Man encapsulated in 13 minutes. if you don't like it, you won't like the band.
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I really he hopes busts out Track One and/or Salvaging (which would work fine live without the extended string section at the end) on this tour.
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I really he hopes busts out Track One and/or Salvaging (which would work fine live without the extended string section at the end) on this tour.
Yes please, these would be great, I'd also like to add Significant Other.
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It was only a kind request. I won't get mad if people post the setlist haha.
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Setlist seems to be up at setlist.fm, I dig it.
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i am very happy with this setlist, its gonna be a great first SW show :hefdaddy
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Setlist seems to be up at setlist.fm, I dig it.
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Indeed. I'm looking forward to it.
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Just looked at the setlist. Damn, I was hoping he would come to Atlanta, GA.
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Upon seeing the set list... I can say if it stays like this annnnd iiiiffffff I dooooo see him...I'd be satisfied.
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Good set list, but seems kind of short. Only 16 songs, two of which are really short.
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I'm cool with it. :RJ:
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The setlist is.... gorgeous
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I was supposed to comment on how Marco's drums are great on this record, but I cannot help but say that the instrument playing that really stuck out to me in this record was Steven Wilson's bass guitar playing. Home Invasion is amazing.
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Mini text is spoiling! I'd like to see something different than Index and Harmony Korine though. And the set seems a bit short yes...
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That's one fine looking set list. :tup
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That's one fine looking set list. :tup
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Yeah, great setlist (not that he could have a bad one).
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It's a great setlist but I'd still say I'm slightly disappointed in a few of the choices. He might change the setlist a bit though, the first concert is not always THE setlist.
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Why the PT covers? :(
I would have liked to see some other songs there, but this setlist is pretty good regardless.
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Why the PT covers? :(
I would have liked to see some other songs there, but this setlist is pretty good regardless.
I agree, I want all SW solo songs.
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Having never seen PT live before, I certainly appreciate it. But I would've been cool with just solo songs too :D
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^this... although I was leaning more towards really hoping there would be a couple PT songs rather than not... but I haven't seen the set list yet so don't know which PT songs he's playing (not so much because I don't want to be spoiled as much as I haven't even heard the new album yet and want to be familiar with the new songs and their names before I look at the set list(s)... Think I'll write to Burning Shed again and ask for a download voucher to hold me over since my order has been lost for two weeks now :-[).
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There is maybe one song in the setlist I would change... That being one of the PT songs swapped for another.... but besides that I love the setlist.
Also I love the Pull Me Under encore. Very unexpected.
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honestly, i'd rather SW pull songs from everything, even BC, IEM, Blackfield and No-Man. waste of great songs leaving them unplayed if they fit the latest record — which the first PT song does, but the second is quite a bit... darker, and thus unexpected.
hoping the one HCE leave-off gets thrown in, since it's just as awesome as the rest!
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I'm not a huge fan of the second PT song in the setlist... but seeing it live would be pretty fucking awesome.
That's how it went with Radioactive Toy. I knew the song but it was actually seeing it live made it 111% better.
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I treated my self with a ticket today! :biggrin:
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hoping the one HCE leave-off gets thrown in, since it's just as awesome as the rest!
Yeah, I wonder why he didn't include it in. Not a big deal, but seems a bit strange.
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Pretty good setlist, as this is a concept I expected it to be fully played. And, the last encore song should be his definitive last song now.
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Pretty good setlist, as this is a concept I expected it to be fully played. And, the last encore song should be his definitive last song now.
I agree 100% with this
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Wonder if we'll see any changes tonight.
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Alright I know I'm late, everyone has already discussed the album and setlists are the new hot topic, but I guess I wanted to give it a few listens before commenting, so here it goes.
As most SW albums (both solo and with PT) the album is a mixed bag for me, but overall positive. There's some really high peaks and some other stuff that doesn't interest me as much, which is mainly the instrumental parts.
Every time I listen to the album I get similar feelings:
- It starts out pretty well, I like the intro and the first riffs in 3 years older.
- During 3 years older I kinda lose interest.
- Hand cannot erase is amazing and it starts a brilliant 3 song run there. BTW, am I the only one that hears some Chroma Key in Perfect Life?
- Home invasion also starts out pretty rad, but when the porn downloading starts I again lose interest.
- I only briefly regain interest during the first few minutes of ancestral, the rest is too convoluted for me.
- Happy returns is fucking amazing. I only dislike the "years just pass like trains" line, feels forced to me. Every time I hear it I expect "the years just passed me by" which rhymes with the previous line, then I remember the train lovefest.
Like I said, a mixed bag. There's 3 or 4 songs that I don't particularly care for, but there's also another 4 great songs and all the interludes that I love. Some of these songs are some of the best SW I've ever heard (HCE, Perfect Life and Happy Returns), so I can't complain.
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Do you guys think he will make a live album? I see that Lasse is touring too with the rest of the guys, maybe there's something in program.
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Nice looking setlist and I don't mind at all a couple of PT tracks there!! :metal :metal
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Do you guys think he will make a live album? I see that Lasse is touring too with the rest of the guys, maybe there's something in program.
Noticed this as well! That would be great.
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- Happy returns is fucking amazing. I only dislike the "years just pass like trains" line, feels forced to me. Every time I hear it I expect "the years just passed me by" which rhymes with the previous line, then I remember the train lovefest.
I've sung along to that one, incorrectly, almost every single time. I agree though- fucking amazing. My favorite track on the album, so far.
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- Happy returns is fucking amazing. I only dislike the "years just pass like trains" line, feels forced to me. Every time I hear it I expect "the years just passed me by" which rhymes with the previous line, then I remember the train lovefest.
I've sung along to that one, incorrectly, almost every single time. I agree though- fucking amazing. My favorite track on the album, so far.
I second all of that. My top 3 from the album would be Happy Returns - Ancestral - Hand Cannot Erase, in that order. And the "passed me by" line fits way better.
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SET LIST SPOILERS TALK BELOW
I am surprised both Drive Home and The Holy Drinker were not played. I figured The Pin Drop would be the odd tune out from The Raven, and Luminol not making the cut made sense since it got played on the GFD and Raven tours, but I thought the other four Raven songs were a lock to get played on this tour. Very surprised. Hopefully, that changes.
Also, it's cool to see two PT songs, and while I love both of those songs, I would rather have seen two songs that hadn't been played in a ton during PT's last few tours.
Quibbles aside, still a great set list. :hat
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Happy Returns is the only track that has properly stuck with me so far, and yeah, it's wonderful. I also agree with the 'passed me by' thing, I always expect to hear that as well. Have sung it wrong a few times too. But I guess otherwise the 'I wave but they don't slow down' bit wouldn't make as much sense.
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'I wave but they don't slow down' bit wouldn't make as much sense.
And that is why 'The years just passed like trains' works really well. Would not wanna change that.
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Nah, it feels a bit forced for him to make YET ANOTHER reference to trains..
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There's a line in Transience that mentions trains as well.
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Oh god, really? :lol
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Yeah, second line: "A child in a train, tristessa departs."
For my part, I love hearing SW make his train references. I find that most lyricists have little quirks or images that they like to use and reuse, and I find nothing wrong with it. It's a touchstone, something that feels familiar. I think it's really cool that trains showed up in Happy Returns. When I first listened to the album, I actually half expected a Trains reprise to come during the instrumental part of the song, but I guess once was enough for that trick. :lol
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Alright, I was the one who requested spoiler warnings but I checked out the setlist. Forget it.
Awesome. Great set. Love the PT tracks, I'm hoping those tracks will stay.
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Found a nice interview with Steven and Guthrie about the new album.
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/22261-steven-wilson-and-guthrie-govan-to-shred-or-not-to-shred
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OK, so I finally got it, and I've been listening to it for a week now.
I think I can sum up my feelings on the album in this fashion:
Holy shit, this is good.
To my ears, this is the best thing that SW has yet produced, and I know how that sounds. This is just stupendous. My ears love me more now than they did last week.
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It sounds great in my car, on earphones, in 5.1 on Blu Ray. It's just perfect. I love that as usual, the separation of instruments is perfection as well as the mix.
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Listened to the 5.1 at a buddy's house last night. Yeah, it slayed. :hat
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Also, watching the documentary, his attitude towards music in general is just so freaking awesome. The blurb about Theo Travis not being used much illustrates why he is better off as a solo artist than in a band. In a band, if you have a guy like that, you'd feel like you have to write something for him, but on his own, he can do whatever he wants, and if it turns out that Travis isn't needed as much, so be it. Granted, all four members of PT play traditional rock instruments (guitar, bass, keys and drums), so it's easy to say he wouldn't have that problem with them, but I think in the bigger picture, it makes so much sense.
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True that! Still need to watch that...
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True that! Still need to watch that...
Yeah, me too.
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As the former chairman of the "Steven Wilson is vastly overrated" committee, I have to say that I am thoroughly impressed.
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As the former chairman of the "Steven Wilson is vastly overrated" committee, I have to say that I am thoroughly impressed.
Same here, the album is way better than I expected.
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I'd say that I was at least chairman of that club as well and I really dig this album too. Damn you Steven Wilson, how am I going to hang onto my preconceived notions like this? :P
In related news, I have not seen A SINGLE NEGATIVE REVIEW for this album anyway. This is unreal.
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Any chance this album gets a grammy nomination. Possibly in the alternative category. I looked at the latest grammy list and Jack White was nominated in rock and alternative and won in one of those.
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In related news, I have not seen A SINGLE NEGATIVE REVIEW for this album anyway. This is unreal.
The nearest I've seen are the Needle Drop's review, and some assholes on rateyourmusic who clearly haven't heard a single note of the album, calling it a 70's-carbon-copy, passionless work. Quite ironic that it's exactly the opposite :lol .
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Any chance this album gets a grammy nomination. Possibly in the alternative category. I looked at the latest grammy list and Jack White was nominated in rock and alternative and won in one of those.
I would not get my hopes up. Might get a nomination for best 5.1 mix, but that's all I'd expect.
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Yeah, he's gotten a few noms for that so I wouldn't be surprised, but probably not for anything else.
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The masses are too clueless about music here in the States. All one needs to do is see SW's post today about where the album debuted all over the world. In the top 20 in eight countries, including three top 5s (Germany, Netherlands and Finland), yet only 39 here. Knuckleheads. :lol :lol
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As anticipated the album certainly has grown on me. That said, I still don't think it approaches Raven.
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Well, no, but few albums do.
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Found a nice interview with Steven and Guthrie about the new album.
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/22261-steven-wilson-and-guthrie-govan-to-shred-or-not-to-shred
SW hates chorus ? Interesting.
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How is the documentary and how long is it?
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Maybe 20 minutes or so (going from memory). It's good. A lot of Steven Wilson chatter, and a lot of footage of them playing in the studio.
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I broke down yesterday and bought it on iTunes (on my way to work OT on a Saturday so I had time to let it play repeatedly). I absolutely hate the fact that I ended up paying double (+++) for it but if there was ever an artist I didn't mind giving the extra support then I guess it would be SW :hefdaddy.
Like just about everyone else on the planet that has heard it I love it... Although not instantly on the first listen, it took a few turns to settle in and become familiar (which is usually the case with a lot of my favorite music). Right this moment a melody from Routine is the one that is stuck in my head (which I might not have expected on my first listen).
I also looked at the set list which looks really good to me (set list spoilers follow obviously)... I really like the two PT songs that he's playing (the second wasn't my favorite song either when I first heard it but after I got the Anesthetize BD it grew on me a lot and think it will be a great song to actually see performed live :-).
Someone also asked why the PT covers earlier (not sure if "cover" is the word I would use) and when I thought back to my first SW concert he opened with an acoustic version of Trains and closed with Radioactive Toy so there's nothing really new there.
One thing I don't understand is why Transience is the only new song not in the set especially when it's only 2:50 long??? Also, I'm assuming the female vocals and maybe the flutes etc will be pre-recorded(?). Looking forward to hearing from someone who's been to a show.
Anyway, April 12 can't get here fast enough!
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How did Steven present the music to you?
Steven gives us demos of such quality that normal people would just release them as a finished album.
:rollin
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How did Steven present the music to you?
Steven gives us demos of such quality that normal people would just release them as a finished album.
:rollin
I can imagine. This speaks volumes about :
i. How devoted SW is to making quality music and won't even give out demoes that don't sound good
ii. How easy it is in this day & age to record great sounding demoes.
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One thing I don't understand is why Transience is the only new song not in the set especially when it's only 2:50 long??? Also, I'm assuming the female vocals and maybe the flutes etc will be pre-recorded(?). Looking forward to hearing from someone who's been to a show.
I'm curious about that as well.
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I was there last night: flutes and female vocals are pre-recorded. Steven addressed the female vocals question before they played Routine (which is apparently one of his favourite pieces from the new album).
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I was there last night: flutes and female vocals are pre-recorded. Steven addressed the female vocals question before they played Routine (which is apparently one of his favourite pieces from the new album).
How was the show? Or should I say, how great was the show?
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lol.
Routine.
I LOVE how he says "school books".
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I was there last night: flutes and female vocals are pre-recorded. Steven addressed the female vocals question before they played Routine (which is apparently one of his favourite pieces from the new album).
How was the show? Or should I say, how great was the show?
It was my first time at one of his shows, having only recently taken an interest in his work (I share his view of the world in many respects and that's helped me along). I thought 'Grace for Drowning' was wonderful in places, 'Raven' was pretty good although a little too jazzy in some respects. 'Hand. Cannot. Erase.', however, has absolutely floored me musically and the love afforded to the deluxe edition is something else. Wonderful stuff.
I thought the show was utterly absorbing, particularly enjoyed the video to Routine (my girlfriend almost had tears in her eyes, so sad it was) and also to The Raven that Refused to Sing. The surround sound worked incredibly well, the first time I've seen it used at a concert, actually. Wilson surprised me as a frontman - in a positive way - and I thought his voice was excellent live.
The crowd surprised me. Middle (us) to old-aged being the flavour of the day, most sporting bald heads. Quite a high female contingent, too. I guess many would say the show was ever so slightly on the short side (we were out of the venue about 10:10 which is pretty early for a concert to finish in the UK) but it felt perfect in length to me.
Edit: oh, and special mention to the crowd for honouring Steven Wilson's request, posted around the venue, not to take pictures or videos. Can't remember the last time I went to a show where no-one's view was spoiled by a phone or tablet being held up.
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lol.
Routine.
I LOVE how he says "school books".
I hear " school boobs" every single time.
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lol.
Routine.
I LOVE how he says "school books".
I hear " school boobs" every single time.
Mind. Cannot. Unhear.
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3 Years Older, at 9:12. I just love that small figure Guthrie plays.
Overall, Guthrie is MVP for me on the album.
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Yeah I was also at the Manchester gig last night. Amazing show.
Nice to see him playing some PT as well, which just shows he's not completely moved on from the band. They played almost the entire HCE album minus Transcience, Index from Grace for Drowning, Harmony Korine from Insurgentes, Lazarus and Sleep Together by Porcupine Tree, and finished with Watchmaker and Raven from TRTRTS.
I, for one, wasn't expecting any PT songs so these two were a welcome bonus. The entire band were on top form. Marco especially.
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3 Years Older, at 9:12. I just love that small figure Guthrie plays.
Overall, Guthrie is MVP for me on the album.
As good as Wilson's songwriting is on the new album, mr. Govan is just unreal and quite possibly the best guitarist active in this dag and age. He overshadows everything and the guitar solos he delivered on Raven and HCE are so freaking fantastic words. cannot. express. how awesome they are. It's a shame he isn't touring with Steven. (Or was this only the case for the USA tour? I can't remember)
I'm stoked to see him next week!!
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Yeah, only the US is getting screwed.
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Having seen Guthrie and Marco on the last TRTRTS tour, it'll be both a shame and an interesting change to see the show without them. I'm still equally excited to see them come May :biggrin:
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Fantastic album! 3 Years Older steals it for me.
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What the fuck is with a 20 dollar service/'order processing' fee on a 35 dollar ticket? And how many venues these days don't allow for a print-at-home ticket option? ???
I like Steven Wilson a lot and I'm sure it'll be worth it, but this venue is pissing me off.
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The surround mix on the bluray is orgasmic. There are several nuances and layers that get buried in the stereo mix but 5.1 is outstanding to listen to on headphones.
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What the fuck is with a 20 dollar service/'order processing' fee on a 35 dollar ticket? And how many venues these days don't allow for a print-at-home ticket option? ???
I like Steven Wilson a lot and I'm sure it'll be worth it, but this venue is pissing me off.
if I wasn't traveling from out-of-town and the venue wanted to charge that much for processing, I would just wait until the day of the concert and try and find someone with an extra down on the street, Even buying a ticket at the door, I'd be surprised if the "processing fee" would run more than half the ticket price. If so, I would ask the sales person what that processing fee is for, and even consider haggling around the time of the show starts.
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Nice to hear a little about the show... Thanks :-).
Theres also new pictures up on Stevens website from the Manchester show. They show quite a bit more then the production rehearsal photos that went up recently. I didn't Think I could be more pumped for this show but my anticipation just went up a notch!
I hope it will be filmed for a live release (as others have suggested) with Lasse Hoile being around.
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The surround mix on the bluray is orgasmic. There are several nuances and layers that get buried in the stereo mix but 5.1 is outstanding to listen to on headphones.
I'm curious, do you have 5.1 headphones? Do they exist apart from gaming? Or maybe your player supports 5.1, and somehow digitalises and remaps the channles to stereo so it gives you the surround feel?
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What the fuck is with a 20 dollar service/'order processing' fee on a 35 dollar ticket? And how many venues these days don't allow for a print-at-home ticket option? ???
I like Steven Wilson a lot and I'm sure it'll be worth it, but this venue is pissing me off.
if I wasn't traveling from out-of-town and the venue wanted to charge that much for processing, I would just wait until the day of the concert and try and find someone with an extra down on the street, Even buying a ticket at the door, I'd be surprised if the "processing fee" would run more than half the ticket price. If so, I would ask the sales person what that processing fee is for, and even consider haggling around the time of the show starts.
I am wayyy too paranoid (about not getting a ticket and/or getting ripped off) to try to get a ticket on the street. I will deal with service fees if the venue is far away, but usually if you go to a box office you won't have any (though one place by me does charge extra if you use a credit card). The show in Boulder already sold out, so I'm very glad I paid the fees, though I agree with seneca- that shit is whack.
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The surround mix on the bluray is orgasmic. There are several nuances and layers that get buried in the stereo mix but 5.1 is outstanding to listen to on headphones.
I'm curious, do you have 5.1 headphones? Do they exist apart from gaming? Or maybe your player supports 5.1, and somehow digitalises and remaps the channles to stereo so it gives you the surround feel?
most are software-based (they apparently do a better job of defining separate speakers than headphones with multiple speakers built in, which also exist).
anyone have a recommended pair?
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The surround mix on the bluray is orgasmic. There are several nuances and layers that get buried in the stereo mix but 5.1 is outstanding to listen to on headphones.
I'm curious, do you have 5.1 headphones? Do they exist apart from gaming? Or maybe your player supports 5.1, and somehow digitalises and remaps the channles to stereo so it gives you the surround feel?
No I have a not so amazing pair of noise cancelling headphones called ableplanet Linx audio that just plays regular stereo. I do however have a PC with a Realtek® ALC 892 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC chip on the motherboard and some of its features include
- DTS Surround Sensation UltraPC
- Absolute Pitch 192kHz/ 24-bit True BD Lossless Sound
So even if you just have stereo headphones or speakers it still plays it in surround and while not being 5.1 in the truest of listening settings, it's still very encompassing(still better than just stereo). I use VLC player and choose the 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio stream. My previous PC's audio chip wasn't this good and the 5.1 would sound worthless to listen to on a stereo output. Heck I can even easily differentiate FLAC vs mp3s on my PC now.
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I am wayyy too paranoid (about not getting a ticket and/or getting ripped off) to try to get a ticket on the street.
Same. And unfortunately a 9 hour drive to buy the ticket in person isn't feasible. I'll just have to suck it up and pay a the stupidly high service fee.
Anyhow, it's starting to feel like the album is getting shorter with each additional listen. 66 minutes has become a lot closer to 30.
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I am wayyy too paranoid (about not getting a ticket and/or getting ripped off) to try to get a ticket on the street.
Same. And unfortunately a 9 hour drive to buy the ticket in person isn't feasible. I'll just have to suck it up and pay a the stupidly high service fee.
Anyhow, it's starting to feel like the album is getting shorter with each additional listen. 66 minutes has become a lot closer to 30.
That temporal distortion is a classic symptom of time traveling, is there anything you haven't told us? :P
Also, I got my tickets for the Buenos Aires show and am super excited! Expensive but worth it.
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What's that I smell?
Rankings? Oh dear!
Happy Returns/Ascendant Here On...
Ancestral
First Regret/3 Years Older
Routine
Home Invasion/Regret #9
Perfect Life
Transience
Hand Cannot Erase
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Ancestral
Routine
Happy Returns / Ascendant
Hand Cannot Erase
First Regret / 3 Years Older
Home Invasion / Regret #9
Transience
Perfect Life
Something like that. Perfect Life is really the only clunker on the album, if you ask me.
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Ancestral
Home Invasion / Regret #9
Routine
Happy Returns / Ascendant Here On
First Regret / Three Years Older
Transience
Perfect Life
Hand Cannot Erase
All killer no filler
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All I know is Perfect Life is my favorite. I need to listen to the album a bit more before I could rank the other songs though.
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Perfect Life is really the only clunker on the album, if you ask me.
All I know is Perfect Life is my favorite.
:lol
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If I had to rank them I'd probably put Perfect Life in last as well but by no means is it a track I don't like. It's still a great song and I don't think there's a clunker or filler track on here at all.
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Whenever Perfect Life comes up through shuffle I hurry to skip the spoken word section. I don't like that part and has only heard it once. What comes after is nice though.
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1. Routine
2. Home Invasion/Regret #9
3. First Regret/3 Years Older
4. Ancestral
5. Happy Returns/Ascendant Here on...
6. Hand Cannot Erase
7. Transience
8. Perfect Life
Yeah Perfect Life is actually super pivotal and important in the album, not to mention beautiful, but it is the only one I probably wouldn't sit down to listen to on its own.
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1. Regret #9
2. Regret #9
3. Regret #9
4. Regret #9
5. Regret #9
6. Regret #9
7. Regret #9
8. Regret #9
ok the real ranking now
1.Routine
2.Home Invasion / Regret #9
3.3 Years Older
4.Transience
5.Ancestral
6.Perfect Life
7.Hand Cannot Erase
8.Happy Returns
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Also, I got my tickets for the Buenos Aires show and am super excited! Expensive but worth it.
Yeah, they're a bit expensive, but I'm seriously planning to see him live this time - would hate to miss the chance. It just sucks living like 6 hours from the city :lol .
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Let's see...
Happy Returns
Ancestral
Routine
Hand Cannot Erase
First Regret / 3 Years Older
Transience
Perfect Life
Home Invasion / Regret #9
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Just sat down in the train for my daily commute, was going to have my first listen of the day, and I forgot my headphones at home :facepalm:... Man it's going to be a long day!!! :-[
On a side and much more positive note, I can see that Burning Shed is getting more copies of the Deluxe edition from Stevens "tour stock" after the first european leg is over which means if mine doesn't show up (which I have given up all hope of at this point) they should be able to send me a new copy...
I can't really rank the songs yet but I'd say Routine and Home Invasion/Regret #9 are at the top of my list at the moment.
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:hefdaddy
Routine
:metal
Perfect Life
First Regret / 3 Years Older
Hand Cannot Erase
:coolio
Ancestral
Home Invasion / Regret #9
:tup
Happy Returns
:|
Transience
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I'm not saying it's my favorite song from the album, but IMO the title track is like a perfectly constructed idealized pop song. In other words, it is pretty much my idealized version of what a great pop song should be.
I hope it gets some recognition.
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Ooh, this is hard...
Routine
Perfect life
Happy returns
Ancestral
Hand. Cannot. Erase.
Transience
3 years older
Home invasion
Regret 9#
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I don't know if I could rank the songs. IMO the album doesn't have any standout songs that I would consider among SW's finest, and the biggest strength of the album is how it works as a whole. If we just pick out the individual pieces 1 and 1, I don't think any HCE songs would make my top10 favorite SW solo songs, but the album as a whole is great.
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I'm having an almost-impossible time ranking the songs, as well.
Apart from Happy Returns, my favorite, the rest of the album is very strong and very consistent.
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I'm not saying it's my favorite song from the album, but IMO the title track is like a perfectly constructed idealized pop song. In other words, it is pretty much my idealized version of what a great pop song should be.
I hope it gets some recognition.
Checking in, for that much-needed recognition apparently. I think it breaks up the mood perfectly, and indeed it is a nice and clean pop song.
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OKAY
1. Home Invasion / Regret #9
2. (First Regret +) 3 Years Older
3. Happy Returns (+ Ascendant Here On)
4. Perfect Life
5. Ancestral
6. Routine
7. Hand Cannot Erase
Fuck, this is impossible and this above ranking doesn't make sense.
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I'm preparing my english oral report, based off HCE. Wish me luck :D
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'Hand. Cannot. Erase. is a clear example of how punctuation is used wrongly.'
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'Hand. Cannot. Erase. is a clear example of how punctuation is used wrongly.'
:rollin - not really talking about the album, just about the concept of isolation and stuff.
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One thing I kinda miss from PT when listening to SW's solo albums is the subtle transitions and how the longer songs were constructed. Whether it's Deadwing, Hatesong, Dark Matter or Anesthetize, I feel like the longer PT songs has a natural flow to them, and they are progressive in a very smooth way. His solo stuff is progressive in another way, and some of it doesn't quite work for me personally. 3 Years Older has some great vocal melodies and I like pretty much everything with SW singing, but the progressive rock element in that song feels completely disconnected from the vocal parts. Basically like two different songs. Two great ideas on their own right, but it doesn't quite "mesh" for me as one coherent song. Ancestral is another good example. To me the first 5-6 minutes are masterful and SW bringing his A-game, but once that guitar solo is over (which should have been the final climax), it's like he doesn't quite know what to do, and the song just kinda wanders aimlessly for 7 minutes.
It's just a minor "complaint", because quality-wise I feel like SW still brings good albums to the table. He has a lot of good ideas, and my only problem is that sometimes he doesn't mesh those ideas together in the smoothest way.
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Although I love the album, I have the same problem. Most of the instrumental sections are just unnecessary, even when they musically fit. I still like them, but I pretty much prefer the sections when Steven sings.
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Although I love the album, I have the same problem. Most of the instrumental sections are just unnecessary, even when they musically fit. I still like them, but I pretty much prefer the sections when Steven sings.
Uh, I don't agree (again :lol). The guitar solo in Ancestral and Happy Returns are my favourite parts on the album.
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Although I love the album, I have the same problem. Most of the instrumental sections are just unnecessary, even when they musically fit. I still like them, but I pretty much prefer the sections when Steven sings.
Um.........no.
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To me it's more of a problem with song structure rather than the individual parts being bad. And as for the ones Evermind mentioned (guitar solo in Ancestral and Happy Returns), those are among the better parts of the album for sure. When I think of "out of place" prog sections, 3 Years Older is the first one that comes to mind, and maybe the second half of Ancestral. Parts of Home Invasion.
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for me, I don't think you have to have the same structure all the time. That's boring if it's smooth all the time. Life is filled with jarring moments and smooth roads and i think music is like life. No one song or episode in your life should be the same.
Sometimes, it's jarring for a purpose.
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I'm not against the idea of sudden transitions in general. In fact, Between the Buried and Me is one of my favorite Progressive Metal bands, and they have pretty much built their career and sound on sudden shifts and changes. It's all in the execution. With SW, I would say it doesn't bother me THAT much, but I do miss the PT way of doing it sometimes. I would say even songs that I really like, and hold among the best on HCE/Raven like Routine and Watchmaker has those weird sudden changes with sections coming in from nowhere. But if those sections are still good, then it's not a big problem. I think Watchmaker is the second best song on Raven, but I agree with the majority that some of the moments in the song feels "forced", and the ending is a bit random. But I still like those parts enough that it doesn't bother me. :)
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I'm not saying it's my favorite song from the album, but IMO the title track is like a perfectly constructed idealized pop song. In other words, it is pretty much my idealized version of what a great pop song should be.
I hope it gets some recognition.
Agree. If I were to introduce someone to SW's music, I would include HCE along with Drive Home.
I love the short song Transience, but feel the song could have been expanded a bit.
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I'm not against the idea of sudden transitions in general. In fact, Between the Buried and Me is one of my favorite Progressive Metal bands, and they have pretty much built their career and sound on sudden shifts and changes. It's all in the execution. With SW, I would say it doesn't bother me THAT much, but I do miss the PT way of doing it sometimes. I would say even songs that I really like, and hold among the best on HCE/Raven like Routine and Watchmaker has those weird sudden changes with sections coming in from nowhere. But if those sections are still good, then it's not a big problem. I think Watchmaker is the second best song on Raven, but I agree with the majority that some of the moments in the song feels "forced", and the ending is a bit random. But I still like those parts enough that it doesn't bother me. :)
Sounds to me it's a personal preference. I get it!
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Raven definitely had way more random/unexpected/jagged parts and transitions, generally as part of the aesthetic SW was going for. HCE definitely has a few, but they sound pretty natural to me, including "Ancestral." i definitely lose the plot but once the metal riff kicks in, the whole thing has a purposeful build. it's just as coherent as "Raider II," which has a few nonsensical/"unnatural" changes as well as some smooth blending.
otherwise, i find SW has been writing smooth transitions into his solo work quite often: "Routine" is the best example HCE, but also "Track One" is basically three totally different songs that transition very naturally (as is the case with "Salvaging").
and some of those mentioned PT epics have quite jagged ends, too: "Anesthetize," whilst retaining the tempo throughout, has very clear delineations between sections because they're basically blocks sat next to each other (the only preparation heading into "The Pills I'm Taking" is a drum fill, and the only link to the final section is the phasing fadeout of the sequencer pattern – the three parts are otherwise quite separate!), "Russia on Ice" has a very obvious switchover into the second part, even "Radioactive Toy" is held together merely by keyboard pads across the quiet section into the big solo. a lot of his lengthy songwriting has essentially remained stuck in the "phase 1, then phase 2" style that started aaaaall the way back at V34!
it seems far more usual that long SW songs have jagged transitions but the short/medium ones have the smoothest – take the FOABP title track for example, which has an unrelated/unexpected coda that totally shifts the mood in prep for "My Ashes" BUT has an extremely smooth, natural transition. same deal for the flow of "Blind House" into the quiet synth part (though not the following transition into the heavy end, obviously), the vocal section of ".3," the synth atmosphere break in the middle of "Wedding Nails," the two very different halves of "Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth," and so on.
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The Ancestral instrumental section grew on me, the whole song structure reminds me of Starless by King Crimson actually
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Sudden transitions are one of my favorite elements of SW songwriting. You never know what's gonna happen.
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I don't know if I could rank the songs. IMO the album doesn't have any standout songs that I would consider among SW's finest, and the biggest strength of the album is how it works as a whole. If we just pick out the individual pieces 1 and 1, I don't think any HCE songs would make my top10 favorite SW solo songs, but the album as a whole is great.
I agree with this.
Although I love the album, I have the same problem. Most of the instrumental sections are just unnecessary, even when they musically fit. I still like them, but I pretty much prefer the sections when Steven sings.
I somewhat agree with this. I don't hate the instrumental sections or anything, but I think they're weaker.
for me, I don't think you have to have the same structure all the time. That's boring if it's smooth all the time. Life is filled with jarring moments and smooth roads and i think music is like life. No one song or episode in your life should be the same.
Sometimes, it's jarring for a purpose.
Good point! The transitions don't bother me, I just don't find some of the sections (mostly instrumental ones/solos) holding my attention as much.
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Out of curiosity then, what are people's favourite SW solo songs? Let's do top fives.
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That's a tough with HCE still being so new, bit my top 5 would be something like
1. Raider II
2. Ancestral
3. The Watchmaker
4. Remainder the Black Dog
5. The Raven That Refused To Sing
There are so many great songs though, this list could be consisting of five completely different songs tomorrow.
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1. Insurgentes
2. Raider II
3. Harmony Korine
4. Index
5. Salvaging
None from HCE and The Raven, even though I love them as a whole. Maybe it has to do with the fact that the above songs have manifested themselves into my.. subconscious or something.
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I can't really rank them, but without HCE my favs are probably
Raider II
The Raven That Refused To Sing
Luminol
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
Remainder The Black Dog
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1. Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
2. Deform to Form a Star
3. Postcard
4. The Raven That Refused to Sing
5. Remainder the Black Dog
I guess you can figure out which of his albums is my favorite.
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People who are putting Home Invasion/Regret #9 bottom of their rankings......
No.
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In no particular order:
Raider II
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
Deform to Form a Star
The Raven That Refused to Sing
Salvaging
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Out of curiosity then, what are people's favourite SW solo songs? Let's do top fives.
I can't put anything from the new album in there yet (still too early to fairly rate them, although I think Routine will be in there once enough time passes), but so far:
The Raven That Refused to Sing
The Watchmaker
Remainder the Black Dog
Raider II
The Holy Drinker
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Insurgentes title track is my favorite.
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Routine
The Raven...
Harmony Korine
Deform to form a Star
Perfect Life
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Ranking SW solo songs is hard for me.
In NO particular order (excluding newest album for the sake of not sploding my mind):
Raven
Raider II
Harmony
Index
Watchmaker
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Yeah... that's hard
Insurgentes
Veneno Para Las Hadas (don't hear people talking about this one very often and I'm not sure why)
Deform to Form a Star
Raven
Happy Returns
Hard to leave off Like Dust.../Watchmaker/Raider II
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The Watchmaker
Raider II
Drive Home
Raven
Happy Returns
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Not good at choosing favorites... Just want to say that I can see that Theo performed with the band last night... Wonder if they happened to record it?
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1. Routine
2. Home Invasion/Regret #9
3. First Regret/3 Years Older
4. Ancestral
5. Happy Returns/Ascendant Here on...
6. Hand Cannot Erase
7. Transience
8. Perfect Life
Yeah Perfect Life is actually super pivotal and important in the album, not to mention beautiful, but it is the only one I probably wouldn't sit down to listen to on its own.
My ranking is the same as yours :D Also, agreed on Perfect Life.
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In no order:
The Watchmaker
The Holy Drinker
Routine
Home Invasion/Regret #9
Raider II
The Pin Drop
Sectarian
Remainder The Black Dog
Deform To Form A Star
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Not good at choosing favorites... Just want to say that I can see that Theo performed with the band last night... Wonder if they happened to record it?
Noticed that as well, and apparently, David Gilmour showed up in the crowd. But I haven't seen anyone mentioning a live recording yet though.
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Since I was the one that asked the question in the first place:
1. Get All You Deserve (hasn't even been mentioned once! Hands down my favourite)
2. Drive Home
3. The Watchmaker
4. Raider II
5. Harmony Korine
And then I left off the other awesome tracks from GfD, as well as Luminol and any track from HCE (this last thing was deliberate).
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For me it came down to Salvaging vs Get All You Deserve for the last spot on my top5, and I went with the first. But if we stretched it to top10, it would easily be there. Love the song, love the live version with SW appearing in his gas-mask. One of the highlights of the GfD tour for me.
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Yes, getting to see and experience that wall of sound live was especially amazing. It's funny how Wilson can create such rich textures with quite simple musical ideas. Salvaging isn't all that bad either ;) it would make my top 10 for sure.
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Not good at choosing favorites... Just want to say that I can see that Theo performed with the band last night... Wonder if they happened to record it?
Noticed that as well, and apparently, David Gilmour showed up in the crowd. But I haven't seen anyone mentioning a live recording yet though.
And Bono was there as well... wow. From Marco Minnemann's Facebook page:
Tonight's concert in London had a few surprises. First of all it was the only show on this leg on which Theo Travis joined us on stage again, and as always he played amazing. And Bono and also David Gilmour (who's a very lovely guy, so cool to meet him) came to the show, so yeah, no pressure :-)). Thanks again for the great reactions. Next stop, Wolverhampton. Stage picture by the one and only Lasse Hoile.
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Wow, that's one epic audience. :omg:
As far as favorites go...
1. Remainder the black dog
2. Luminol
3. Raider II
4. Routine
5. The Raven that refused to sing
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Not good at choosing favorites... Just want to say that I can see that Theo performed with the band last night... Wonder if they happened to record it?
Noticed that as well, and apparently, David Gilmour showed up in the crowd. But I haven't seen anyone mentioning a live recording yet though.
Yeah, I thought about that after I posted... It would probably be pretty obvious with multiple camera men and what not. Plus I hope if he films a show that it might be with Theo and live female backing vocals, although that may be too much to hope for.
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Veneno Para Las Hadas (don't hear people talking about this one very often and I'm not sure why)
I love having it on repeat when I'm tired. What a vibe. Utterly beautiful and fantastic. I considered the song for my top five but I ended up choosing other songs.
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It sounds too The Sky Moves Sideways-y. The intro is basically the same. And it doesn't help that TSMS is a much better song IMO. VPLH is still good though.
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I'll try to list favorites, but it'll probably be half of each album :lol
"Top" 10, in order of album:
Harmony Korine
Significant Other
Get All You Deserve
The 78
Deform to Form a Star
No Part of Me
Postcard
Luminol
The Holy Drinker
Raven
Like Zantera said before, I'm not sure anything on HCE would place at this point but I love the album as a whole. It needs more time.
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Not good at choosing favorites... Just want to say that I can see that Theo performed with the band last night... Wonder if they happened to record it?
Noticed that as well, and apparently, David Gilmour showed up in the crowd. But I haven't seen anyone mentioning a live recording yet though.
And Bono was there as well... wow. From Marco Minnemann's Facebook page:
Tonight's concert in London had a few surprises. First of all it was the only show on this leg on which Theo Travis joined us on stage again, and as always he played amazing. And Bono and also David Gilmour (who's a very lovely guy, so cool to meet him) came to the show, so yeah, no pressure :-)). Thanks again for the great reactions. Next stop, Wolverhampton. Stage picture by the one and only Lasse Hoile.
Porcupine Tree was influenced by Pink Floyd and now Gilmour has been to a SW concert... The circle is complete! :dangerwillrobinson:
However, according to some commenters "Bono" was just a look-alike and the real Bono was somewhere else last night.
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Its so hard to rank H.C.E. but I'm in love with the title track and Transcience.
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Yeah I heard Bono was in Monaco, maybe there are two of them :o
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Listening to the keyboard solo in Regret #9 makes me want to dig out There and Back and give it a listen again :hefdaddy
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Got the deluxe version at a local record store! So excited to flick through
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I'm very disappointed today. I spent $50 on Amazon for a CD/DVD version of The Raven with the bonus disc that includes demos/5.1 mixes/documentaries etc. It came in the mail today... no DVD. 50 bucks for a CD I already own. Not even mad about the money, I just want to watch the documentary. Anyone know of another site where I can purchase this thing? Please note that I don't have a Blu Ray player.
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FWIW Amazon has always been amazing with returns. If they sent you the wrong thing they will pay to ship it back to them and let you print the label at home so minimize your work.
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FWIW Amazon has always been amazing with returns. If they sent you the wrong thing they will pay to ship it back to them and let you print the label at home so minimize your work.
Wow, those sound like happy returns.
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Not deciding to return it to Amazon wouldn't be your first regret. It'd probably be your ninth.
I'm going to bed.
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Imagine what a perfect life you will have when you get the right CD+DVD version in return.
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It looks like awful online purchases are becoming routine here.
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:|
In other news, the more I listen the more I realize how much Home Invasion sounds like a Porcupine Tree song. Like, it would not be at all out of place on Deadwing or IA.
Also, the more I listen the more I realize that Ancestral suffers from "Russia on Ice Syndrome", which is to say the first part of it is absolutely gorgeous and heartbreaking and one of my favorite things ever, and the rest is really good, but it feels sort of soulless in comparison and doesn't keep my attention nearly as much.
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We'll probably be three years older before everyone has recieved their copy of the album.
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I'll probably end up doing what I did with The Raven, and just pick up a copy on Vinyl hopefully, at the show here in June.
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HCE entered the German charts on place 3! :omg:
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It looks like awful online purchases are becoming routine here.
This is my first really bad experience in over 15 years... Mostly because of the delay, not because Burning Shed has treated me poorly. I Have a continuing correspondance with them but they say it has to run its course and they have to exhaust all possibilities before sending me another copy (I'm assuming the 28 days they mention on their web site)... But they keep assuring me I will get my copy. It's just a long time to wait IMO.
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HCE entered the German charts on place 3! :omg:
Germans love David Hasslehoff and Steven Wilson.
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In other news, the more I listen the more I realize how much Home Invasion sounds like a Porcupine Tree song. Like, it would not be at all out of place on Deadwing or IA.
Also, the more I listen the more I realize that Ancestral suffers from "Russia on Ice Syndrome", which is to say the first part of it is absolutely gorgeous and heartbreaking and one of my favorite things ever, and the rest is really good, but it feels sort of soulless in comparison and doesn't keep my attention nearly as much.
I agree with the Home Invasion thing, I remember thinking it was totally like something off Deadwing. and Ancestral is totally like Russia On Ice! I never realized that, I think both have amazing instrumental sections though.
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This thread was going along beautifully till Jackie ruined it. >:(
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I had more important things to say :P
In other news, the more I listen the more I realize how much Home Invasion sounds like a Porcupine Tree song. Like, it would not be at all out of place on Deadwing or IA.
Also, the more I listen the more I realize that Ancestral suffers from "Russia on Ice Syndrome", which is to say the first part of it is absolutely gorgeous and heartbreaking and one of my favorite things ever, and the rest is really good, but it feels sort of soulless in comparison and doesn't keep my attention nearly as much.
I agree with the Home Invasion thing, I remember thinking it was totally like something off Deadwing. and Ancestral is totally like Russia On Ice! I never realized that, I think both have amazing instrumental sections though.
Oh yeah, I think both instrumental sections are great... but I'm not sure if I like them as part of the same song, I guess is what I'm saying. When you have a start THAT strong and emotional, I feel like the instrumental does it a bit of a disservice. It sounds badass, sure, but I dunno if it belongs.
I still absolutely love both songs.
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I agree with Ancestral. The first part of the song is great, and the instrumental section on its own is great, but to me they don't quite work together. In an earlier post I brought up the lack of natural progression, and that's kinda how I feel. I don't think there's just two extremes - one being an incredibly patchy song with random twists and turns that changes identity every 15 seconds, or a song that stays the same, or evolves very slowly and predictable. There's a lot of shades in between those.
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This thread was going along beautifully till Jackie ruined it. >:(
lol
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SW added two shows at the Royal Albert Hall in september with special guest and two different sets... Doesn't this sound like a potential live recording event (please be)?
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/two-royal-albert-hall-shows-announced-for-september/ (https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/two-royal-albert-hall-shows-announced-for-september/)
Damn, I wish I could afford a few days in London right now!!!
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If I hadn't bought tickets and reserved my vacation from 14th to 27th of September for The Theater Equation, I would have definitely considered flying to London for this gig and also one of David Gilmour live performances, which are happening the same week.
I'm hoping for DVD recording though.
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Hmmm, David Gilmour at the same week. Maybe we know one of the special guests... ;)
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Yeah, it's totally suspicious for two British musicians to be in London around the same time :P
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Yeah, it's totally suspicious for two British musicians to be in London around the same time :P
lol
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Hmmm looks like it will still be without Marco and Guthrie since The Aristocrats will still be touring (not that it won't be great with their replacements, just I think I*d prefer a video release, if there was one, with them (again without knowing much about the other two).
As far as me getting to London, air fares can be really cheap from Denmark, I just have my daughters confirmation to think about (a big national thing hear) next May, and a trip for the whole family back to Southern Cal/Vegas next sommer (that isn't gonna be so cheap) so I just can't justify it.
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Yeah, it's totally suspicious for two British musicians to be in London around the same time :P
Was thinking the exact same thing :lol
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If you could get Gilmour and Wilson on stage for ONE SONG, which one song would you guys like to seem them play? And be reasonable in your choice - no "Echoes" or "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" in their entirety.
-Marc.
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I don't even know. I would say any Gilmour song with his band playing it, while SW is doing his weird moves somewhere near. :lol
Actually, out of HCE, I think Happy Returns would be the best. Gilmour can play some extended guitar solos on that one.
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Time.
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If you could get Gilmour and Wilson on stage for ONE SONG, which one song would you guys like to seem them play? And be reasonable in your choice - no "Echoes" or "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" in their entirety.
-Marc.
Paying tribute to both of them and their body of work I could only settle for 2 songs. Shine On You Crazy Diamond and Time Flies.
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Dogs and Time Flies.
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Would love to see Gilmour in Like Dust...
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Yes, yes, Like Dust is a cool one.
BUT GUYS
THE GUITAR SOLO IN REGRET #9
THAT'S HIS STYLE
THE HYPE
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While having SW and Gilmour on stage together would be totally amazing, there's no way in hell it'll ever happen. :P However, I'd love it if Steven got Åkerfeldt to join him for some Storm Corrosion songs.
Dogs and Time Flies.
I thought they were the same song :neverusethis:
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Dogs Fly
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Dogs Fly
And then you realize
Dogs fly
..back to On the sunday of life?
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I just got back from the Utrecht show. Amazing!
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I just got back from the Utrecht show. Amazing!
Yes. Yes, it was.
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"Dogs Fly" would be awesome :lol
Did y'all see he just announced a second Mexico City date and dates in Newark and Worcester? Good stuff. I'm also happy to see how many of these shows are selling out.
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Awesome yeah. Great to see him seeing the appreciation he deserves.
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Personally, I hope he can get all he deserves.
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Personally, I hope he can get all he deserves.
Calling all Pun Police!!
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I just got back from the Utrecht show. Amazing!
Yes. Yes, it was.
I was there too! It was a great gig, a loooot of backing track though. But the show was great.
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I liked that he actually apologised for using backing tracks.
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Yeah he did, that was cool. Even so I think he used a click-track as well.
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Oh, he definitely did, as well as a backing track. You can't really use a backing track without click
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I remember reading an interview with Guthrie where he confirmed they were playing to a click track live. But I guess with the kind of stage show SW does (videos and all) you kind of have to be playing to a click in order for everything to work together fine and look and sound cool.
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I liked the show. Not the best SW gig I've been to, but not the worst either. I thought it started off kinda weak and got stronger as the concert progressed. When it was good, it was absolutely brilliant. A little bit static, though. I'm under the impression that the band were a bit more goofy and loose on The Raven tour, which resulted in a more 'fun' gig.
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I liked that he actually apologised for using backing tracks.
Well, I thought that he apologized for using the vocals of Ninette (?) without her being there. But all the time, even before Routine, you could hear keyboard parts that weren't played, background vocals that no-one sang, and if I'm not mistaken even a guitar once or twice. So I really got the impression he mentioned it in that intro, because everyone would notice that. As if he was hoping no one would spot the other backing tracks.
I remember reading an interview with Guthrie where he confirmed they were playing to a click track live. But I guess with the kind of stage show SW does (videos and all) you kind of have to be playing to a click in order for everything to work together fine and look and sound cool.
I get the live show, video effects argument for using backing tracks, but with all the drumloops, and all the other backing tracks I really had the idea I was looking at a band playing along to a live album. It's hard to say, but I guess I started looking for things no one was playing. And I understand it totally wasn't like that, but once you notice all the backing tracks, you're going to search for them. At least I do.
Oh and BTW, I was sitting looking at the side of the stage, and I'm 90% certain I saw the guitar tech changing the video show. On cue, but live.
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If you could get Gilmour and Wilson on stage for ONE SONG, which one song would you guys like to seem them play? And be reasonable in your choice - no "Echoes" or "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" in their entirety.
-Marc.
Voyage 34
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I just stumbled across something on Youtube. I was listening to the full Moonloop improvisation from Transmission IV, and someone in the comments suggested listening to the whole thing while playing Glass Arm Shattering for the first 6 minutes simultaneously. That was pretty cool.
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If you could get Gilmour and Wilson on stage for ONE SONG, which one song would you guys like to seem them play? And be reasonable in your choice - no "Echoes" or "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" in their entirety.
-Marc.
Voyage 34
:tup
-Marc.
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I guess I'm not sure why you should be "reasonable" while fantasizing...
Interesting about all the backing track stuff- I'm not surprised considering the new album, but still a bit of a bummer. Oh well, I'm sure the show will still be awesome.
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I think there were backing tracks on the last tour as well. That awesome moment where the big harmonies come in after the 2nd verse in Postcard, where the voices were only behind you in the crowd, was a backing track, for example. Doesn't bother me at all.
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every PT and SW gig with a full band since 2002ish has had backing tracks - at this point, it'd be weird to see him play live WITHOUT one!
i get why it'd be weird with the Ninet parts, though. it'd come off better if he sang them.
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So I got this message from DTF's resident SW non-fanboy....
(https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-h.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t35.0-12/11097069_729158017182308_1273910354_o.jpg?oh=ed572d3e37a77819ada86d366f8eabaf&oe=5515F354&__gda__=1427508676_2392d5079b0bc0f45e1b03ccbf716520)
Guess Steven finally reinvented himself to jingle's taste :lol
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You know it's a great album when even non-SW fans like it :D
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So I got this message from DTF's resident SW non-fanboy....
(https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-h.ak/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t35.0-12/11097069_729158017182308_1273910354_o.jpg?oh=ed572d3e37a77819ada86d366f8eabaf&oe=5515F354&__gda__=1427508676_2392d5079b0bc0f45e1b03ccbf716520)
Guess Steven finally reinvented himself to jingle's taste :lol
*Cracks head on pavement from fainting*
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:rollin
I know, right??
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:lol
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Haaa! One of us...
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Seems he played one more song the other night in Paris.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2015/lolympia-bruno-coquatrix-paris-france-3cb1183.html
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That's what I call an encore. Love that track, it really comes to life played live.
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I waited too long to buy tickets for the upcoming Steven Wilson tour, and it's sold out in Boston. So last night I bought 4 tickets to an NYC show at the Best Buy Theater, and didn't notice the 16+ age restriction until after I printed the tickets. :facepalm: :loser: :lol I plan to attend with my wife and two teenage boys, but one will be 2 years shy of 16. Am I screwed? Any thought?
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Does your kid look really young? I mean, I didn't have an ID when I was 16 so you can always just say that he doesn't have one but he's your son and you sweaaaar he's 16.
FYI he also announced another show in MA.
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Yeah he did and I hate the Worcester Aud. What a pithole. Saw DT there on BC&SL.
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Well, DT have a tendency to only play in the sonically worst places in Boston.
But yeah, I'm super-happy I see him at Berklee. It's one of the best-sounding venues in the area.
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Going to see Steven tomorrow near Frankfurt/Germany. It's the place where they shot most of the "Drive Home"-DVD/BluRay. I usually hate seated venues, but for this concert, I don't care. :hat
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Well, DT have a tendency to only play in the sonically worst places in Boston.
But yeah, I'm super-happy I see him at Berklee. It's one of the best-sounding venues in the area.
Yes sir it is. Saw Porcupine tree there as well. Another place I love sonically is The Somerville Theater.
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Yeees, right down the street from my place! I saw TFK there, great show.
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Got tickets for both nights at RAH, Flying from the US to see it. First time In London. For some reason I think these shows will be bucket list worthy.
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Damn, I wish I could afford to just buy tickets to London on a whim :lol
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Damn, I wish I could afford to just buy tickets to London on a whim :lol
No shit right(?)!... Oh well at least I finaly found someone with a lower post count than me :-).
I've been a member for years but just don't post much and it can seem a little daunting when I see all these big hitters with 5000-20000 post in here :hefdaddy...
Anyway, I agree completely that it seems like a bucket list worthy and would be there in a heart beat if I could! Enjoy the shows mabowe!!!
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I've been a member for years but just don't post much and it can seem a little daunting when I see all these big hitters with 5000-20000 post in here :hefdaddy...
Don't let that hold you back. Get in there and participate.
:djhef:
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The more, the merrier! :metal
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I've been a member for years but just don't post much and it can seem a little daunting when I see all these big hitters with 5000-20000 post in here
A lot of those posts are, well... I wouldn't worry, put it that way.
We managed to bag two tickets for both nights. Given that the shows were virtually sold out within minutes, I think there'll be a few very disappointed Steven Wilson fans out there, sadly.
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I've been a member for years but just don't post much and it can seem a little daunting when I see all these big hitters with 5000-20000 post in here :hefdaddy...
You are quite correct in assuming that a high post count indicates import and wisdom beyond age. In fact, many of us high-count posters are regularly contacted by the highest officials in this world (Obama, Merkel, Gandhi) on all matters prog. For example, the successful assassination of Osama bin Laden is often attributed to our suggesting a perfect playlist of prog tunes to be played alongside the mission.
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For a second I though I read Gandalf contacted you regularly. :lol
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I have been, yeah, but only by Gandalf the Gray. Gandalf the White is apparently too wise for my advice. From what I heard he still listens to Dragonforce and thinks it's prog, sheesh.
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After a few weeks without listening it, fearing to burn it, I decided to replay HCE today. Damn, it's destroying my soul. Again.
I wish I had the gorgeous deluxe edition (https://theshamansblog.com/2015/03/06/asi-es-la-edicion-de-lujo-de-hand-cannot-erase/).
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I saw the merchandise link on FB today. I dunno, I wish bands didn't just slap the album cover on a black shirt and call it a day.
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Especially an album cover as ugly as this one. :lol :lol
I love HCE, but man oh man, that is one ugly cover.
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Especially an album cover as ugly as this one. :lol :lol
I love HCE, but man oh man, that is one ugly cover.
Eh it's probably one his best yet actually ::)
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I really don't like the cover neither. It's weird when someone's best album has their worst cover art. :lol
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Especially an album cover as ugly as this one. :lol :lol
I love HCE, but man oh man, that is one ugly cover.
Eh it's probably one his best yet actually ::)
I don't know, Insurgentes is pretty sweet. But HCE is a great cover and probably second.
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Funny thing in Neu-Isenburg tonight: Steven messed up the beginning of "Routine" and immediately stopped the song. A second attempt ended as fast as the first one - mostly because Nick, Adam and Marco were making fun of him. ;D Too bad we most likely will never see any footage...
Routine, Index and The Raven... were my highlights. Fantastic gig - as expected. :tup :tup
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Insurgentes is probably my favorite cover of his solo albums. HCE is not good, and while I like a lot of the Raven artwork in the limited deluxe edition, he picked probably the ugliest one for the actual cover. Grace one is kinda nice, but doesn't stick out much.
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Maybe it's subjective to say that the cover for HCE is the best/worst one yet, but I think the artwork/photography for it is one of his best yet. Especially some of the photos inside the special edition version. Insurgentes is probably my favorite of the four album covers as well. There's something dark and unsettling about SW in a gas mask gracing the album cover that draws me in.
IDK about how the rest of you feel, but Routine is my favorite song off of HCE followed by Ancestral and Happy Returns. Especially when the whole band comes crashing in after that piano interlude in Routine before Ninet's solo part at the end, that part gets me everytime I hear it.
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So after a couple weeks of listening to HCE I can comfortably say that it shattered my expectations. As a huge 70s prog fan and as a fan of Steven's melancholic side, I was very skeptical of this release. It's definitely more progish and melancholic than I expected it to be, and although it's more poppy and modern (two words I'm normally very afraid of) than his previous releases, the actual melodies themselves are EXCEPTIONAL. Maybe it's just confirmation bias. Maybe if I actually gave modern pop music a chance I'd like it. All I know is, Hand Cannot Erase is a 110% pop song and I LOVE it. Perfect Life is unlike anything I would ever intentionally listen to but it's GORGEOUS. The way Steven's voice is so... delicate and vulnerable when he begins his vocals for that song just gets me. So beautiful. Probably the first moment on the album that clicked with me. Happy Returns is just spectacular, probably my favorite song on the album. Every second of it is just phenomenal. The line " but I'm feeling kind of drowsy now, so I'll finish this tomorrow" gives me chills every time. I prefer to think MAIN CHARACTER is writing a suicide note and is going into a permanent sleep from painkillers. Gives me the same sense of utter sadness/utter happiness that Stop Swimming gave me with "the lift is painfully slow, so I think I'll leave by the window." Steven Wilson is just a phenomenal in a Canadian accent song writer. God damn, this album is too good for paragraph breaks. The guitar part right after the "sorrow" line gives me chills every time. My only fault with Happy Returns is the infamous "trains" line. Seems very silly to me, but doesn't hurt my enjoyment of this perfect song. Routine is tied with Happy Returns as my favorite song on the album. The female vocals make this song. Brilliant melodies. The climax of this song is one of my favorite SW moments. Fine, I'll give you a paragraph break, but I'll give it in the most inopportune pl
ace. This entire album is full of nothing but brilliant melodies and moments. There were times on the 1st 2 SW albums that I didn't LOVE, but I'm in awe from opening to close with HCE, the chills never stop. The Raven was an album solely in the 70s prog style that I worship, and in December I would have bet my life that HCE wouldn't match up to The Raven's legendary quality. It did. It really did. This album is so good I don't even have the words
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Well, DT have a tendency to only play in the sonically worst places in Boston.
But yeah, I'm super-happy I see him at Berklee. It's one of the best-sounding venues in the area.
Yes sir it is. Saw Porcupine tree there as well. Another place I love sonically is The Somerville Theater.
Did you go to the show there with Fripp back in 2006 or so?
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2005 Yes I was there. Man did they sound awesome there.
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They did, until Steven blew his vocals out during Halo. Also the one thing I remember distinctly was when that asshole shouted "PLAY SOMETHING" about 2/3 through Fripp's....set.
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It's definitely more progish and melancholic than I expected it to be, and although it's more poppy and modern (two words I'm normally very afraid of) than his previous releases, the actual melodies themselves are EXCEPTIONAL. Maybe it's just confirmation bias. Maybe if I actually gave modern pop music a chance I'd like it.
I would say there's a good chance you would at least like some modern pop. Modern pop gets a bad rap from prog fans and from people over the age of 30. Some of it is deserved, but a lot of it isn't. If you care about strong melodies, and stuff like the song Hand Cannot Erase, you'll probably be able to find SOMETHING to love from modern pop. Personally, I try to be careful when judging music based on stylistic labels, because in my experience here are plenty of bad albums that are progish and melancholic and plenty of good albums that are poppy and modern. Anyway, there's that random diversion.
I'm four or five listens in to HCE by now (I'm really not one of those people who gets a new album and listens to it twenty times; I'll listen a few times in the first week and then usually will shelve it for a little while and let it come around), and I still like it. However, at this moment in time I would not rank it above The Raven... or my Porcupine Tree favorites. I still don't really "get" what SW is doing with the latter part of Ancestral. The first half or so is dynamite, but it seems to wander on and on and on thereafter. I may get it at some point, who knows. Also, like some others, I'm not wild about the "Download" part of Home Invasion. One of my dislikes of Steven's songwriting and lyrical style is that sometimes he writes material that is clearly meant as some kind of harsh social criticism that is often pretty harsh musically and lyrically. In the past, those songs have settled into songs with which I have a... "like/dislike" (not quite "love/hate") relationship with. My other examples would be Four Chords That Made a Million and Halo.
But overall there's a lot to love. I'm not as head-over-heels for Happy Returns as some are, though that could have to do with being fatigued after Ancestral's meandering. Routine is probably my favorite on the album; I love the dynamics and the use of Ninet's voice. In fact, the run from First Regret through Routine is spectacular. Then it takes a dip for me with Home Invasion for the aforementioned reason, and Regret #9 which is good but not as great as the earlier stuff. The quality level gets right back to a high level for me with Transience, which is one of my favorite songs and one that seems to me to be underrated in discussions of the album so far. I've already pretty much described my opinions on Ancestral and Happy Returns, and then Ascendant Here On is just an outro. Overall at this moment I would give the album a 7.5/10, because there's a lot that I really love but some stuff that doesn't cut it for me and makes the overall thing feel a bit too long. But that rating could easily change; I've had several PT albums start out with me having that opinion "a lot of greatness, but some stuff I don't especially care for: 7/10" that would now be 9/10 for me. Remember, it's only the start.
It's only the start.
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It's definitely more progish and melancholic than I expected it to be, and although it's more poppy and modern (two words I'm normally very afraid of) than his previous releases, the actual melodies themselves are EXCEPTIONAL. Maybe it's just confirmation bias. Maybe if I actually gave modern pop music a chance I'd like it.
I would say there's a good chance you would at least like some modern pop. Modern pop gets a bad rap from prog fans and from people over the age of 30. Some of it is deserved, but a lot of it isn't. If you care about strong melodies, and stuff like the song Hand Cannot Erase, you'll probably be able to find SOMETHING to love from modern pop.
Definitely. There are lots of art pop bands and artists that make some amazing catchy songs, with lots of creativity and smart songwriting - the kind of thing you won't see on the radio or at MTV :lol . I'm still getting into pop, but these are some albums that might interest you, XBOBX:
Susanne Sundfor - The Silicone Veil
Bjork - Homogenic (or Post, if this one feels too experimental)
Janelle Monae - The Archandroid
Destiny Potato - Lun (djent-pop)
Belle & Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
Blackfield - Blackfield II (you might know this one though)
Flying Colors - Flying Colors
Devin Townsend - Addicted! (pop-metal at it's finest)
Fiona Apple - The Idler Wheel...
There's lots of amazing music that actually mixes pop with another elements, and not always it's crap. And even DT has pop influence, mainly in the vocal lines. James is a big fan of pop in all it's forms - just see his last solo albums.
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Perfect Life is still my favorite track.
Also the cover art is fantastic, no idea what you chaps are on about.
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Perfect Life is still my favorite track.
Also the cover art is fantastic, no idea what you chaps are on about.
This.
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Yeah, I like the cover but the merch is a bit boring.
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They did, until Steven blew his vocals out during Halo. Also the one thing I remember distinctly was when that asshole shouted "PLAY SOMETHING" about 2/3 through Fripp's....set.
I remember that guy yelling that as well. Tell you what, I sing in my car and I blow out my voice. I can't imagine how singers get through a tour. You really have to baby your vocal chords.
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Also the cover art is fantastic, no idea what you chaps are on about.
That big blur of pink or whatever color that technically is, is just very ugly to me. Ruins the entire cover. I like the idea behind the cover, but that particular color ruins it, IMO. But hey, different strokes and all that, right? ;)
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It's a fairly generic picture of a woman with paint smeared over it. There's plenty of "simple" covers that I like, HCE is just kinda average IMO.
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HCE is probably my favourite SW cover. I love the juxtaposition between the bleak woman's face and the screaming pink colour. Grace for Drowning cover is awesome too though.
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Jimmy, there is nothing generic about a Steven Wilson album cover. Everything is done with a purpose. It may not be your cup of tea but it's far from generic.
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A lot of mediocre things are done with a purpose. :P And obviously it's just an opinion anyways. Even some of the worst ideas ever originates from someone somewhere doing something they think is right and they do it with a purpose. Now with SW, I think in most cases the artwork is awesome, but with the last few albums he has chosen probably the worst picture out of 100 (?) in the whole package to have as the album front cover.
I don't mind it too much though, an album cover is JUST an album cover. SW and PT has a few great ones, a few ok ones, a few terrible ones and overall it's just separate from the music. Signify is my second favorite PT album but I would say the front cover is one of the worst in the PT catalog. :P
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I've been thinking, Leo the chorist, is he singing any lyrics during Routine?
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I'm pretty much with Zantera on the HCE album cover. Not really a huge fan of this one. Most SW/PT album covers for me are just okay, though. The only one I outright love is Deadwing, which is an absolutely great album cover.
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Signify is my favourite of his.
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I do notice he (or whoever he uses as art director) has done similar things for different album covers. Grace for Drowning could pretty much be Deadwing zoomed out.
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Compared to so many bands out there, his album and the art that comes with it is well thought out. Like it or not it is not Generic. That was my point. I get if some may not like it but that was a bad description for his album art.
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Agreed.
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Today I was wondering if Ninet was as gorgeous as her voice, since I never saw pictures of her, so...
(https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w185/1xxdkREWPNOPGQhFrUWvbLjiNTm.jpg)
:heart :heart :heart
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Daaaamn.
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Today I was wondering if Ninet was as gorgeous as her voice, since I never saw pictures of her, so...
(https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w185/1xxdkREWPNOPGQhFrUWvbLjiNTm.jpg)
:heart :heart :heart
i don't really understand wanting to see the face of the voice. it usually comes off really misogynistic, though i didn't really get that vibe from you necessarily, Sacul – your post just reminded me of a friend who i got into Anathema. he loves Lee Douglas' vocals mightily, but expressed disappointment to me when he saw a photo of her (and watched Universal which i gifted). to this day, he says, "i would (this and that) her voice..." like it's disconnected from her because he considers her less than beautiful compared to her voice.
i hate when i can see what the band looks like, though, so i'm biased either way.
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You can never look again then. I'll keep staring. :lol
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seasons, I agree with what you're saying on the misogyny end of things, but I also agree with wanting to see the face behind a voice, no matter who it is. For me it's just sort of an added bonus when I find out a singer is attractive, but your friend's response was sort of lame.
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The cover is good, but it could have been better. I do like the face being "erased," but it doesn't always fit the music.
All other SW album covers are perfect to me and fit the music incredibly well: the noisiness and soundscapes in Insurgentes, the subtlety and beauty in Grace, and the wrenching emotion in Raven
Which brings me to another point, I never thought the PT covers were all that great ???
The artwork is always phenomenal though
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I always thought SD to FOABP all had great covers, specially the last one and In Absentia :P .
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SW solo covers are not bad. Insurgentes especially, it has some kind of mystic creepy power. The great PT covers IMO are TSMS and Deadwing. The rest are ok, and the incident one is hideous. :lol
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Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia and Insurgentes are my favorite 3 probably.
I don't particularly care for Deadwing or GfD style covers, they just seem vague and undefined to me.
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I like GfD and Deadwing, but I also like the vagueness. Sometimes I think the color on the artwork really adds to the music, and it really does on Deadwing. My only problem with it would be the font used for Deadwing which I'm not overly fond of. But it's a neat artwork.
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I love the Raven cover, it's weird that there isn't that much appreciation for it. As for the Porcupine Tree covers.... I don't know, none of them really grab me.
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I do to. So much so that the cover of TRTRTS will be my next tattoo.
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I've been a member for years but just don't post much and it can seem a little daunting when I see all these big hitters with 5000-20000 post in here :hefdaddy...
Don't let that hold you back. Get in there and participate.
:djhef:
Trust me, it's not that I don't want to but I just have a tendency to enjoy reading what others are talking about then to jump in with my own two cents... especially if it's been a long day, and since I've been remodelling my house for the last two year there have been a lot of those ;).
Unfortunately the next thing I'll probably end up posting about is my less than stellar experience with Burning Shed as I still have not received my HCE Deluxe Box after more than four weeks :(... but more on that later.
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I buy so few actual albums these days that the covers are almost meaningless to me. Since SW is not an "autobuy" artist for me, it's digital only.
That said, this album is easily his best, most focused, and possibly the most diverse album he's made as a solo artist. I don't always like his output. In fact, I dislike more of his music than I actually like, but when we makes stuff that I DO like he almost always hits a home run and this album is a home run in my book. 4 stars is a lock. The decision to make next is whether or not it rises above that 4 star level over time. I own about 1200 albums and I think I've given maybe 10 or 12 of them more than 4 stars. It's that good.
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As I said before, I am a new convert to Steven Wilson because of DTF. so the past week, I listened to his previous solo albums. I have discovered that much of the elements in Hand.Cannot.Erase are already in his previous music. But I found that it is only in Hand.Cannot.Erase that he produced music that is deserving of K Scope's pretentious label of post prog. SW's previous albums still sound prog to me, but this current one deserves to be called post prog. It acknowledges its prog roots but it uses these same elements to turn prog music on its head.
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HCE is kinda like a better executed Incident 2.0. It has elements from earlier SW albums but combines them into something new and fairly fresh.
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I do to. So much so that the cover of TRTRTS will be my next tattoo.
I love it also. Would be cool if the tattoo glowed in the dark like the tshirt
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FYI, for anyone who missed out, they just released a limited stock of the HCE deluxe editions.
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What's Steven's connection to Israel?
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I'm almost annoyed by how much this album has grown on me. So many albums later and still able to be surprised how much things can change from an initial impression. First spin I was wondering if this would even make my top 10 at the end of the year, and now I just bought the deluxe edition. Damn you Wilson, damn you.
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What's Steven's connection to Israel?
The main dude in Blackfield is Israeli.
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What's Steven's connection to Israel?
The main dude in Blackfield is Israeli.
Does Steven himself have any family from Israel? It seemed from the Insurgentes movie that Israel has played a big part in his life.
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He lived for some years in Tel Aviv.
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He was in Blackfield for years with Aviv Geffen who wrote most of their music and he was Israeli, and he also moved to, and lived in Tel Aviv for several years.
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It seems so odd for a British guy to live in Tel Aviv. Must have discovered it through Blackfield and loved it so he stayed.
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Why is living in a different country for a while weird? Lots of people do it, just for the experience of it. And Israel is a fascinating country.
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Yeah, in Insurgentes he says he's been there a ton, and he likes that nobody there has iPods :rollin
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"Do the kids remember me?" might be the most emotionally powerful line of the album. Fantastic..
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I love that line as well. However, the 'But I'm feeling kind of drowsy now, so I'll finish this tomorrow...' takes the cake for me.
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Yeah, but the cake was a lie, and will always be now.
But you're right, that line is a great ending to the album.
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:lol
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I love that line as well. However, the 'But I'm feeling kind of drowsy now, so I'll finish this tomorrow...' takes the cake for me.
That's a great one too, but that's only sad because we know what comes next. The 'do the kids remember me' line in filled to the limit with emotions of pain and longing not only for the listener, but for the character as well.
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That's a great one too, but that's only sad because we know what comes next.
Do we, though? ;)
The heaviest line on the album for me is probably "When the world doesn't want you/it will never tell you why"
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Download sex and download god.
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Xbox is a God to me.
Personally, I like Transience the best lyrically. "At the failing of the day she heard her father always say 'Remember, it's only the start. It's only the start.'"
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My highlights are
"When you're on your own, that's when you're free"
The whole coda of routine hits me pretty hard
"Download the things that make you mad, download the life you wish you had"
"In this city there are these who'd live alone
Twilight brings them from the gloom into our homes
And hiding there among the wreckage left behind
They see things that aren't there when they close their eyes"
and (I actually quite like this phrase, haters gonna hate)
The years just pass like trains, I wave but they don't slow down.
and of course I'm feeling kinda drowsy now, so I'll finish this tomorrow.
The whole album has great lyrics, not considering the title-track.
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The heaviest line on the album for me is probably "When the world doesn't want you/it will never tell you why"
This one is probably my favourite too.
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The years just pass like trains, I wave but they don't slow down.
This one is just fantastic.
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The years just pass like trains, I wave but they don't slow down.
This one is just fantastic.
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They see things that aren't there when they close their eyes"
It's actually "They see things that haunt them when they close their eyes", and yeah, it's a great line. I also agree with you about "The years just passed like trains".
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Not sure whether this was talked about before, but I'm really impressed with Steven's singing on the album. Especially the end of "But now there's no one left to catch me" is really well sung.
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Not sure whether this was talked about before, but I'm really impressed with Steven's singing on the album. Especially the end of "But now there's no one left to catch me" is really well sung.
I agree. That line instantly stood out to me. I love what he does with his voice on the word 'me'.
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Amen.
That's probably my single favorite moment on the entire album.
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Not sure whether this was talked about before, but I'm really impressed with Steven's singing on the album.
Definitely agree. He just keeps getting better and better in that regard.
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Agreed. He sounds fucking awesome on this album.
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I was actually listening to my music on random while driving through Southern Arizona yesterday. It just happened the way that Happy Returns was followed by DT's Far from Heaven. Man, gotta be brutally honest here, but I thought James' singing was awful, while Steven's was brilliant.
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Yeah, I think they're going in opposite directions.
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It's not that JLB's singing is unskilled, far from it. But, if I had to describe the style, I would call it "T-Girl make out session". I appreciate his attempt of infusing vulnerability into his singing, but it ends up in a place I find rather unfortunate.
Whereas Steven gets the vulnerable element into his songs without ending in a weird place.
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I agree, The 80's metal singers are not my thing anymore. I still love DT but I gravitate more towards music like SW.
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Same here, yeah. I think another reason why that is is, SW conveys "grownup moods", which I can relate to. Take Happy Returns for example, which just pulls you into this bittersweet moment before she dies. Or The Watchmaker. " I never really loved you, but I'll miss you anyway " is just awesome.
DT still mostly focuses on a lot of teenage anger, or esoteric topics such as Freemasons. It's entertaining to some degree, but it doesn't draw me in.
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I think one big difference is Wilson's style is more simple, which means his voice will sound pretty much the same live as it does in the studio, and it will age well since his limited range means he will never blow it out on a nightly basis live and lose its power. He is similar to David Gilmour in that regard, whose voice, while sounding older and weary now, has definitely aged well, as opposed to, say, Roger Waters, whose voice is a massive shell of its former self, but then again, you scream that stuff in Careful With That Axe, Eugene for years and see how your voice holds up. :lol :lol
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Though, I never expect singers to sound like they did in they're 50's. Even Ann Wilson and Paul Stanley are finally showing their vocal age. Nut I do agree Kev that Steven simplifies his singing though, it's how you arrange your vocals to the melody and phrasings that is most important.
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The nut strikes again!
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Anyone have a song by song analysis of the album? I still have no clue what 3 Years Older is about. And as someone who doesn't have the deluxe version of the album, I have no clue where aliens are coming into this picture.
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Just finished my first listen and damn this was solid. It started off a lot more grandiose than it ended but it wrapped everything up nicely. It feels like Wilson finally made the complete album he wanted instead of just a collection of songs.
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The Raven is an incredibly complete album.
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Not that it'll completely clear it up for you, XB0BX, but https://www.handcannoterase.com (https://www.handcannoterase.com) apparently has a lot of the material that the deluxe edition does and tells you a bit more about the character.
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Anyone have a song by song analysis of the album? I still have no clue what 3 Years Older is about. And as someone who doesn't have the deluxe version of the album, I have no clue where aliens are coming into this picture.
Wasn't it established that the album isinspired by the case of Joyce Carol Vincent? Three years older could be a reference to three years having passed nefore somebody even noticed that she died alone in her flat.
Reading this made me sad.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2011/oct/09/joyce-vincent-death-mystery-documentary
I don't know why some would read aliens into this. I think a lot of the album is about the loneliness, the anomie of modern life in the city.
Anyway, I never had access to the album inlays because I bought this from HDTracks so I am reading this only based on the lyrics and the music.
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erwinrafael, the album was inspired by Joyce Carol Vincent, but the story is its own thing. The link I posted gives some insight into the fictional character that Steven has created, who is not intended to be anywhere near an exact representation of Vincent. 3 Years Older probably refers to the foster sister being three years older than the main character, as we learn in Perfect Life.
If you look at the blog, probably even more so if you look into the deluxe materials, there's definitely room at least for the alien interpretation. This album's meaning is not just captured in the lyrics and the Vincent story. You need to access more than that, really, to get the full scope of what people are talking about here.
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Ok. Maybe I would stick to my Joyce Vincent version because I have constructed a conceptual story of being alone and anonymous in the city based on the lyrics. :lol Happy Returns in particular is so sad if you think of it as Joyce's final moments. She was found with boxes of undelivered Christmas gifts.
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I agree, The 80's metal singers are not my thing anymore. I still love DT but I gravitate more towards music like SW.
One really unexpected side affect of me discovering SW and a little later PT (starting around the time DT 12 came out) is that I have all but stopped listening to DT (something I thought would NEVER happen) and have been completely consumed by SW/PT. I saw SW within a few months of DT last time around and enjoyed the SW concert so much more.
I can't say exactly why. I embraced the MP/MM change and loved ADTOE and liked DT 12 well enough and while I never thought I'd loose interest in DT but that is just kind of what happened (this is the first time in years I haven't been following every step DTs studio progress and so on).
But I'm sure I'll go back one day...
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I was actually listening to my music on random while driving through Southern Arizona yesterday. It just happened the way that Happy Returns was followed by DT's Far from Heaven. Man, gotta be brutally honest here, but I thought James' singing was awful, while Steven's was brilliant.
Well, that's not exactly a fair comparison, as Far From Heaven is easily JLB's most over the top, cheesy studio performance in years. :lol
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I think one big difference is Wilson's style is more simple, which means his voice will sound pretty much the same live as it does in the studio, and it will age well since his limited range means he will never blow it out on a nightly basis live and lose its power. He is similar to David Gilmour in that regard, whose voice, while sounding older and weary now, has definitely aged well, as opposed to, say, Roger Waters, whose voice is a massive shell of its former self, but then again, you scream that stuff in Careful With That Axe, Eugene for years and see how your voice holds up. :lol :lol
Agreed!
erwinrafael, the album was inspired by Joyce Carol Vincent, but the story is its own thing. The link I posted gives some insight into the fictional character that Steven has created, who is not intended to be anywhere near an exact representation of Vincent. 3 Years Older probably refers to the foster sister being three years older than the main character, as we learn in Perfect Life.
If you look at the blog, probably even more so if you look into the deluxe materials, there's definitely room at least for the alien interpretation. This album's meaning is not just captured in the lyrics and the Vincent story. You need to access more than that, really, to get the full scope of what people are talking about here.
Yes, all of this. If you take the album by itself without all the supplemental stuff it totally makes sense for it to just be a Joyce Vincent-like story, since the lyrics don't have the really weird stuff the blog/book have... although I do think Three Years Older sort of hints at it. For instance "You only have to say and the world will slip away from you." If you read the blog, the "visitors" (real or not) are clearly trying to talk her into leaving with them, and her diary from age 13 says they were visiting her (and most likely her sister) then, so it sort of adds up. Of course you could also look at that as "Hey, you can kill yourself if you want to" but I don't get that vibe. Also the whole "Shame on you for getting older every day" thing COULD be a reference to the fact that those who go with the visitors (like Lena- https://handcannoterase.com/28th-march-2007/) apparently do not age.
Other than that, regarding Three Years Older: it definitely touches on how she isolates herself, but I do find some of the lyrics confusing, and I can't quite figure out whose perspective it's supposed to be from. Sure the sister is three years older, but the song doesn't seem to be directed towards the sister at all. It could be the main character to herself, looking back on the past, or... roll with me here, I'm in a beer-induced state and thinking out loud... but what if it's from the perspective of one of the visitors?! "I can feel you more than you really know"? It's a bit creepy. It's like "I'm watching you, I know you're kind of miserable and this place sucks... so come on my ship, baby."
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I totally agree that everything doesn't add up in 3 Years Older... I kinda just went with what the consensus answer on the meaning of the title was when I asked about it a few pages ago. I have no idea from whose perspective it's written.
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My theory is that it's just somebody discovering the life she had, and commenting about it. "You're three years older and you'll always be now" may be because she was found dead 3 years after she disappeard, and died, so she didn't grow anymore. She stayed forever three years older. Strange tho, this would place the song at the end of the story, chronologically speaking :justjen
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I personally simply took it to mean it in the same way as Happy Returns, where they years passed like trains. Like, life just meaninglessly trudged on, and there's no way of getting the 3 years back.
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Last night I saw Steven Wilson live for the first time.
This guy is a true artist. So much charisma, yet such a carefully restrained performance on several occasions. Very dramatic. I love how at some point during the encore song (spoiler, if necessary) he basically sat down, crossed his legs, put his hands down and started singing. No one else could pull it off.
The rest of the band is tremendous as well, especially Marco. Not to mention that the bassist performs those backing vocals flawlessly. The video show was also gorgeous, truly touching in some places.
I'd love to attend such a show at least once more. :heart
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Ok, prog geek show of hands: Who else made sure he got the beat down at the beginning of Home Invasion? :lol
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Little analysis on the 3 years older discussion:
I didn't get 3 Years Older at first, but it's starting to make sense as just a reference the main character's childhood/adolescence and initial claustrophobic feelings towards love, but with various impersonal perspectives (not directly referencing, but more like just using general statements to portray the character's feelings).
Sometimes it references "you" as the main character ("You cross the schoolyard..." - "You only have to say, and the world will slip away...").
Sometimes it references "you" as the sister from the main character's perspective ("You're 3 years older..." - "I will love you more than..." - "Shame on you for getting older...").
It's a little confusing, but either way I think the point was to just establish the character's feelings and the ideals that would be reflected on throughout the album. Steven can be a little confusing with his lyrics anyway :lol
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Didn't she have a boyfriend during college? Maybe is a reference to that. But it wouldn't make sense too chronologically.
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Didn't she have a boyfriend during college? Maybe is a reference to that. But it wouldn't make sense too chronologically.
I think that's talked about in the "tourist in your bed part" of 3 Years Older, as well as one of the subjects of the title track. Found someone who seemed to care, tourist in your bed you left him there - it kind of makes sense with the entry about it on the blog.
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Right, there are definitely references to that stuff and her wanting to be alone ("...that's when you're free") but it just doesn't all fit together.
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I finally read the blog. So that's where the alien idea is coming from. :lol
Anyway, my novel idea is that there are no aliens. There is not even a sister who is three years older (which is why the "sister" just disappeared, and then the "sister" by magic appeared in a photograph which she was sure was not there before). The "sister' is like Tyler Durden, an aspirational figure that the protagonist imagines is a separate person. There are some clues in the blog, like the phone call to the "woman" in her apartment. Or when she says she's haunting herself. Or how when she describes her sister, you get the sense that she's describing herself (smoking cigarettes, having her sister's tapes, etc.)
The visitors I think are also not really separate persons. They are all in her head. In the December 2, 2014 entry, she said "I think the visitors ask me this, or maybe I just ask myself in my head, but sometimes over and over again like an anti-mantra."
My interpretation of Three Years Older is that she was aspiring to be like the "sister" who has disappeared completely. And she has been asking to herself why she won't disappear completely like her "sister" every time she gets three years older, as if it is a marker. She has been asking this to herself since she was 13 (the age she met her "sister"). So 13 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 31. We will start our investigation when she turned 31 years old, which is October 8, 2009.
The first two stanzas of Three Years Older refer to blog entries before her birthday on October 8, 2009:
You cross the schoolyard with your head held down
And walk the streets under the breaking cloud
With a 100 futures cascading out
It’s complicated (THIS STANZA corresponds to the January 11 2009 entry)
You think of love as just a memory (January 10, 2009 entry; possibly August 12, 2009 entry too?)
A fog that smothers you, its hard to breathe
But when you're on your own that’s when you're free (September 14, 2009 entry)
OCTOBER 8 2009 birthday (31 years old)
You're three years older
And you’ll always be now
I can feel you more than you really know
I will love you more than I’ll ever show
There was a time when someone seemed to care
A tourist in your bed you left him there
You found a simple life with no-one to share
It’s not complicated (THIS STANZA corresponds to the December 19, 2009 entry)
You make a list of all your big regrets (no it's not the "Book of Regrets" entry. Regret was first mentioned in the September 11, 2011 entry)
You share with people that you never met (June 19, 2011 entry)
You slowly move towards the medicine chest (October 2, 2011 entry,, where she listed the cat and cigarettes as the things that calm her, but afterwards, she swallowed a "couple of pills". She said "I think I should go to a doctor".)
OCTOBER 8 2012 birthday (34 years old)
You're three years older
And you’ll always be now
I can feel you more than you really know
I will love you more than I’ll ever show
You only have to say
And the world will slip away
From you………
Shame on you for getting older every day (March 28, 2013 entry. Lena Springer did not get older in between her disappearance and reappearance! Shame on you for choosing not to disappear even if you can!)
This place is not for you so why do you still stay? (December 2, 2014 entry)
You stand there with the other fuckers in the rain (rain has been referenced in the entries in January 1, 2015, December 12, 2014, November 24, 2014)
Life is not some sinecure for you to claim
You have to pay (Is this a reference to money problems? In the February 10 2015 entry, just before she disappeared, "My money is running out. Maybe in the end it will be this that makes me give in. There’s not much more they can tell me now, I have no more questions, and no more reasons to stay." Sinecure means "an office or position requiring little or no work, especially one yielding profitable returns" according to dictionary.com, so maybe she has lost her work and she is feeling the pressure of being unemployed.)
(NO MORE REFERENCE TO THREE YEARS OLDER. SHE DID NOT REACH HER 37TH BIRTHDAY)
I can feel you more than you really know
I will love you more than I’ll ever show
You only have to say
And the world will slip away
From you…
I am convinced with my explanation. :rollin Three Years Older is J's song to herself as the "visitors" or the "sister".
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Interesting theory. Some of it makes sense to me, some doesn't.
I know you're saying it's all the same person, but for the record she is not supposed to be "J." That's someone she address in her entries a few times but is never really explained- possibly the sister, or somebody else.
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I think the protagonist is J. I think this is Steven's nod to his protagonist being inspired by "Joyce".
I think there are a lot of hints that the protagonist and the sister are the same.
"It is of me and my sister, down at Grand Union, it’s twilight. I know that this photograph was never taken, it simply cannot exist."
"I was just about to hang up when the phone was answered. After a few moments of heavy silence I said “who are you and what are you doing in my flat?”. A woman’s voice responded “I’m waiting for you…. And anyway what do you mean by calling at this time of night? People are normally asleep at this time you know.” I could hear one of my sister’s old mix tapes playing in the background...“Yes I suppose so, will you still be there when I get back?” “Yes of course, I told you I’m waiting for you. We have a lot of catching up to do. I always liked this tape”...When I got back of course there was no one there."
"A week ago WE WERE ONE, now we are two...My sister used to say that to me. She has returned to my thoughts a lot recently, after years of barely thinking about her at all. It was a strange feeling when my parents adopted a child, but in a nice way, to have someone I could talk to and confide in. I think she’s the person I talked to the most in my whole life, even though we were only together for the 6 months leading up to Mum and Dad separating. At the time I wondered if they adopted her to try to bring them closer together, or just to distract me from what was happening between them. I never saw her again and I don’t really understand why I never tried that hard to find her, or why it seemed so easy to forget, but then I assume she never tried to find me either. Sometimes things that meant so much at the time mean nothing in the end."
"It was only us, WE WERE INSEPERABLE. Later that year my parents separated and my sister was rehoused with a family in Dollis Hill....But gradually she passed into another distant part of my memory. Until I could no longer remember her face, her voice, even her name."
The kicker is when the blog actually explained what HAND. CANNOT. ERASE means.
"How do you erase what was never there in the first place?"
I think the statement "we were one" is a telling sign that there was no real sister. I think there is even no cat. I based this on this throwaway statement she made about going online:
"After about 6 months I woke up one morning and just felt sick to my stomach with the whole thing and deleted my page – boy, that felt so good, to erase myself again. Me, the disappearer."
The sister was with her for 6 months before the sister disappeared. The cat was also with the protagonist for 6 months before it disappeared. ME, THE DISAPPEARER." said the protagonist. Me = the sister = the cat = the disappearer.
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But where does the Miracle and the Sleeper fit in with all this?!?
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You know, I gotta be honest, I'm actually happy not reading the "auxiliary material". I like the album to simply be about a girl who eventually ends up dead. No aliens or whatever :lol
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:lol Me, too, until 425 pointed me to the auxiliary material. My reading of it still does not involve any aliens, I still see it as a story of loneliness in (post)modern urban society.
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Just when I think I have the concept pretty much figured out, I find out that the aliens are somehow involved in the story? Really? I'm too lazy to read all of the comments, but I'll have to do it at some point.
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Very interesting analysis, Erwin.
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Wow, that is some deep analysis.
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Yeah, but maybe too deep. A lot of the stuff you have referenced could have a much more simple explanation. Like "Me, the disappearer," meaning the person who isolates. Why does that have to be a reference also to the sister and the cat?
Also, if the sister doesn't exist how are there other pictures of her?
(And again, my original question still stands- if that photo "that can't exist" is in her imagination, how is she posting it on a blog?)
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shooped
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Yeah, but maybe too deep. A lot of the stuff you have referenced could have a much more simple explanation. Like "Me, the disappearer," meaning the person who isolates. Why does that have to be a reference also to the sister and the cat?
Also, if the sister doesn't exist how are there other pictures of her?
(And again, my original question still stands- if that photo "that can't exist" is in her imagination, how is she posting it on a blog?)
Because the blog is not to be taken literally. It's an artistic presentation, like Brad Pitt being in the same frame as Ed Norton even though they are the same person in Fight Club. If the photos are real, then J will not have a reason to say that she can not remember the face of her sister. The pictures on the blog are not actual pictures on a blog. They are like comic book panels contributing to the story.
The songs in the album actually have a pattern. The created persons alternate with the real persons.
The "visitors" - 3 years older
The boyfriiend - Hand. Cannot. Erase.
The "sister" - Perfect Life
The brother - Routine
The "online persona" - Home Invasion
The parents - Transience
The "visitors" - Ancestral
The protagonist - Happy Returns
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You know, I gotta be honest, I'm actually happy not reading the "auxiliary material". I like the album to simply be about a girl who eventually ends up dead. No aliens or whatever :lol
Same.
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You know, I gotta be honest, I'm actually happy not reading the "auxiliary material". I like the album to simply be about a girl who eventually ends up dead. No aliens or whatever :lol
That was pretty much my take until Steven mentioned in an interview that his character doesn't die though :o
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To add to the theory, here's a translated version of the symbols found in the tourbook:
Six March
My friend
I am here
My sister is here
We wait for you
They will come
Talk to them
Trust
They know you better
than you know yourself
You are not lost
You are not alone
You are
Found
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You know, I gotta be honest, I'm actually happy not reading the "auxiliary material". I like the album to simply be about a girl who eventually ends up dead. No aliens or whatever :lol
That was pretty much my take until Steven mentioned in an interview that his character doesn't die though :o
Is it possible that Steven has to be extra vague and introduce possible alternatives to her dying so he doesn't get in trouble with the Joyce Vincent's family? If he followed too closely to her storyline, would he have had to get their permission, etc., or even pay royalties? By simply saying he was "inspired" by Vincent's case and then introducing new elements that weren't part of her situation, maybe he skirts that issue.
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Somewhere, in Europe, Steven's reading through this, laughing at the speculation (even though I don't think he knows how to laugh)
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You know, I gotta be honest, I'm actually happy not reading the "auxiliary material". I like the album to simply be about a girl who eventually ends up dead. No aliens or whatever :lol
That was pretty much my take until Steven mentioned in an interview that his character doesn't die though :o
Is it possible that Steven has to be extra vague and introduce possible alternatives to her dying so he doesn't get in trouble with the Joyce Vincent's family? If he followed too closely to her storyline, would he have had to get their permission, etc., or even pay royalties? By simply saying he was "inspired" by Vincent's case and then introducing new elements that weren't part of her situation, maybe he skirts that issue.
Interesting thought.
I think Steven, himself, probably didn't want to just base the whole concept about Joyce and follow the documentary exactly.
Like you said I think he was mainly just inspired and fascinated about the whole story and he used the idea as a starting point. He then created and added his own character and his own touch on it through a female's perspective.
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(even though I don't think he knows how to laugh)
only Mikael Åkerfeldt can do this, and only about obscure music! :rollin
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I am going back to my interpretation before I saw the blog and make this album jusy about loneliness in the modern city. I will require this song for listening in my sociology class to discuss anomie and alienation. :lol
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Yeah, but maybe too deep. A lot of the stuff you have referenced could have a much more simple explanation. Like "Me, the disappearer," meaning the person who isolates. Why does that have to be a reference also to the sister and the cat?
Also, if the sister doesn't exist how are there other pictures of her?
(And again, my original question still stands- if that photo "that can't exist" is in her imagination, how is she posting it on a blog?)
Because the blog is not to be taken literally. It's an artistic presentation, like Brad Pitt being in the same frame as Ed Norton even though they are the same person in Fight Club. If the photos are real, then J will not have a reason to say that she can not remember the face of her sister. The pictures on the blog are not actual pictures on a blog. They are like comic book panels contributing to the story.
The songs in the album actually have a pattern. The created persons alternate with the real persons.
The "visitors" - 3 years older
The boyfriiend - Hand. Cannot. Erase.
The "sister" - Perfect Life
The brother - Routine
The "online persona" - Home Invasion
The parents - Transience
The "visitors" - Ancestral
The protagonist - Happy Returns
Eh. Also, how is Routine about the brother? It's about a woman whose family is dead basically trying to keep herself sane.
To add to the theory, here's a translated version of the symbols found in the tourbook:
Six March
My friend
I am here
My sister is here
We wait for you
They will come
Talk to them
Trust
They know you better
than you know yourself
You are not lost
You are not alone
You are
Found
Ohh, I'm guessing those are the same as the ones in the deluxe book. I was trying to figure out wtf they were. Does the tour book have a translation or did you figure it out?
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short behind-the-scenes doc series "Ghosts of the Road"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO5IfGsrTDk
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That was really cool! I never really thought about what that must be like to be so isolated for so long and then surrounded by tons and tons of people for so long. And aww, him worrying about his 82-year old mum :heart
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OK, I gotta ask this question: What's Stevens marital status? You never hear anything about it, and even in this interview he doesn't talk about a wife or family, he talks about his mom.
Regarding the documentary, it is truly clear where the enjoyable music comes from. The man has great depth.
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I don't think he likes to talk much about his personal life, though I seem to recall he has an Asian looking girlfriend. I think I've also read on some interview that he doesn't plan on having kids, but that's about all I've seen him say about his personal life.
On a side note, I've been playing the album a lot lately and it's massively grown on me. It's now battling Insurgentes for the top spot at SW's discography for me, I really couldn't decide at this point.
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I know he had a girlfriend around Stupid Dream/LBS, but the only thing I've heard him talk about in the last 10 years is that the music is his focus and that he wouldn't have time for a family as well.
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All I ever saw / heard was an interview where he stated he had a "partner" and a dog.
That's the only thing about his personal life I know. And the whole UK / Israel thing. Living in both places.
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Yeah, but maybe too deep. A lot of the stuff you have referenced could have a much more simple explanation. Like "Me, the disappearer," meaning the person who isolates. Why does that have to be a reference also to the sister and the cat?
Also, if the sister doesn't exist how are there other pictures of her?
(And again, my original question still stands- if that photo "that can't exist" is in her imagination, how is she posting it on a blog?)
Because the blog is not to be taken literally. It's an artistic presentation, like Brad Pitt being in the same frame as Ed Norton even though they are the same person in Fight Club. If the photos are real, then J will not have a reason to say that she can not remember the face of her sister. The pictures on the blog are not actual pictures on a blog. They are like comic book panels contributing to the story.
The songs in the album actually have a pattern. The created persons alternate with the real persons.
The "visitors" - 3 years older
The boyfriiend - Hand. Cannot. Erase.
The "sister" - Perfect Life
The brother - Routine
The "online persona" - Home Invasion
The parents - Transience
The "visitors" - Ancestral
The protagonist - Happy Returns
Eh. Also, how is Routine about the brother? It's about a woman whose family is dead basically trying to keep herself sane.
Yeah, I only placed the Brother there because he's the only character that could be associated with kids if we follow the story in the blog. Routine is the only song I have a hard time placing whether in Joyce Vincent's life, or if I go by the alien abduction interpretation, or my own interpretation. I also think it does not necessarily mean that the family of the woman in Routine is dead. It could be that the family just left her alone, maybe a divorce?
I'm more inclined now to just think of the album as a story about the different dimensions of being alone and having a transient life in the modern city. It's more enjoyable than the story of the blog.
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SW's gf in the late 90s was the lady who speaks in Japanese on Tinto Brass. I've also heard he had a girlfriend in Israel when he lived there, but he doesn't talk a lot about his personal life in interviews, so it's unclear if he's together with someone nowadays.
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Yeah, I know there were girlfriends in the past but he's very vague about that stuff. It would seem hard to keep a relationship going when you keep as busy as him, but maybe it's not a very serious one.
Yeah, I only placed the Brother there because he's the only character that could be associated with kids if we follow the story in the blog. Routine is the only song I have a hard time placing whether in Joyce Vincent's life, or if I go by the alien abduction interpretation, or my own interpretation. I also think it does not necessarily mean that the family of the woman in Routine is dead. It could be that the family just left her alone, maybe a divorce?
In the deluxe book there are articles about this particular woman, whose kids and husband were all killed in a school shooting, then she goes missing. And really if you look at the lyrics it's pretty obvious. There has clearly been a very sudden change and all of this stuff, like their clothes/shoes (still smelling of them) is still there. Not to mention she's obviously been traumatized and is hanging by a thread. Why else would she be cleaning and cooking all day for people who aren't even there?
In the Insurgentes doc, Steven talks about a fear of having kids. He basically says he's so afraid of losing them in some tragic way that he'd rather just not have them at all. So I think that is where Routine comes from.
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Yeah, I only placed the Brother there because he's the only character that could be associated with kids if we follow the story in the blog. Routine is the only song I have a hard time placing whether in Joyce Vincent's life, or if I go by the alien abduction interpretation, or my own interpretation. I also think it does not necessarily mean that the family of the woman in Routine is dead. It could be that the family just left her alone, maybe a divorce?
In the deluxe book there are articles about this particular woman, whose kids and husband were all killed in a school shooting, then she goes missing. And really if you look at the lyrics it's pretty obvious. There has clearly been a very sudden change and all of this stuff, like their clothes/shoes (still smelling of them) is still there. Not to mention she's obviously been traumatized and is hanging by a thread. Why else would she be cleaning and cooking all day for people who aren't even there?
In the Insurgentes doc, Steven talks about a fear of having kids. He basically says he's so afraid of losing them in some tragic way that he'd rather just not have them at all. So I think that is where Routine comes from.
So it is a song that is not connected to the story of the protagonist? The concept behind the concept album is not a narrative, I guess. Maybe the concept is more thematic than narrative (and it actually works better for me that way). I wish I was not exposed to anything more than the album. :lol the blog and the info I get from the materials from the deluxe edition just muddles the concept.
I also don't think the lyrics is *that* obvious in that the departure of the kids could very well be of a very angry husband who took the kids with him against the will of the wife who is now using a routine to stay sane. It seems obvious if you have the deluxe book, which unfortunately I do not have. But it is still not obvious that the woman you are referring to is the reference because if the woman is doing the same routine over and over at the home where she and her family stayed, how could she have gone missing? Did she go missing after she "let go"?
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Well, not everything has to happen simultaneously. She could be the woman in the song who's doing the routine, and then go missing after that. The book and the blog talk a lot about people who go missing, so I think she ties to the theme that way.
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It's crazy to suddenly see a casual article in German news such as "why do people have to sit in SW concerts?". Shows how much more popular he has become.
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Heading out to the SW show now... Can't wait!
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Ticket purchased for the NYC show :smiley:
Looking forward to it!
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Seeing him in 3 days, will be my 4th time (third solo, 4th including PT). :) Not a huge fan of HCE, but the man always delivers live, and for the most part his songs come to life better in a live setting, so it should be nice.
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So jelly
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I've been spinning this CD a lot recently. Especially, Routine. I relate to it because it reminds me of when my mom was in the hospital last November after having heart failure. As her stay progressed, we found out it was much worse then it appeared and she needed emergency bypass surgery or else she wouldn't have lived much longer.
So in my way of grieving, I went about my daily routine and would only go to the hospital every so often for the two weeks she was there. I went to work, I went to school, I did my homework. It was how I grieved and the chorus really relates to how I felt during that time.
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No, that's the CD/DVD version.
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No, that's the CD/DVD version.
I edited my post after realizing that. :lol So now this looks weird. But thanks, I found THE deluxe version and have swiftly ordered that.
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I probably had the worst couple of days with bad luck. So this last friday I was suppose to see Evergrey but couldn't because I had to do some extra work, luckily I could refund the tickets but that was hard. Next thing was this last tuesday when I was soooooo locking forward to see Steven Wilson for the first time. So I had my ticket but again couldn't go because I had to substitute for a colleague that got sick so extra work AGAIN. The tipping on the cake was that the Steven Wilson tickets couldn't be refunded. :sadpanda: #FUCK LIFE
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That sucks! What kind of job do you have that you HAD to substitute for somebody? There's no way I'd do that if I had a concert ticket.
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Err, if I had to sub for someone at my company and I would lose the concert ticket, you bet I would at least get the money back for the ticket from the company.
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Yeah man, your job sucks. I needed to fly to a business trip to another town this spring, they were going to send me there from Tuesday to Saturday morning, and I had tickets for the Sabaton gig for Friday evening; so well, I said I'll either be back in Moscow at Friday morning, or I'm not flying anywhere at all. Surprisingly, it worked. :lol
And since SW never plays anywhere near me at all, if I had a choice to go to his concert and therefore, say, lose my monthly payment, I would've gladly picked this option.
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Err, if I had to sub for someone at my company and I would lose the concert ticket, you bet I would at least get the money back for the ticket from the company.
I mean, I'd fight hard to not even get to that point, but yes, had I gone to work when I already had put out money for something, the only way they would get me near my desk was to have that cash waiting there for me.
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Err, if I had to sub for someone at my company and I would lose the concert ticket, you bet I would at least get the money back for the ticket from the company.
I would have the money, or I would have someone's ass.
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I couldn't see Evergrey on friday because I got asked a gig and they rehearsed that night so it was pay or no pay basically. The reason I couldn't go to Wilson on tuesday was because I also work part time as a drum teacher. My colleague called me and asked to fill in and help because she was sick. Usually I would say no but because we have a big concert with students in a month time I just couldn't say no. It sucks but sometimes certain things come in the way and you gotta suck it up. :sadpanda:
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If somebody is still thinking to go or not to go to watch this band live, you definitely should! We were there in Helsinki yesterday with the "?" (What a friendly guy!) and it really was an amazing experience! The visualization was perfect, the band did sound spectacular and the setlist was so freaking good! Damn, I think I am now more SW fan than PT fan!
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Wow, last night's show was probably the best I've ever seen by anyone! :hefdaddy The band was in top form and the visuals were stunning. As someone who never got to see PT live I was happy to hear Lazarus and Sleep Together.
Marco is such an entertaining guy, and you can't watch him play without having a smile on your face. :D Steven talked a lot more than I'd expected based on the GAYD DVD. It was cool that he said Routine is his favorite song on the new album, 'cause it's mine as well and was the highlight of the show for me. He seemed a little embarrassed of the fact that there were backing tracks running on an Apple computer, possibly due to his relationship with iPods. :lol I had no idea the choir boy was Tony Blair's son! :o
The T-shirts were too expensive for me so I bought Nick Beggs' comic instead:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/20810_852735314796095_7461550317678895010_n.jpg?oh=657987b161aa5998772b75cad807acdf&oe=55D84458&__gda__=1439912627_de36b5568a69ac14a225751b0217ce97)
Speaking of Nick, when he walked through the crowd after the show to sign someone's HCE box set, he touched my shoulder (Nick Beggs Touches Your Shoulder :lol)! I didn't want to bother him though, as that guy seemed to be a friend of his.
Thanks to YtseJamittaja for hanging out with me; it was cool to finally meet a fellow DTFer in person! :metal
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My deluxe box came today. Won't be able to open it for 10 hours or so, as I have something planned right after work, but I'm very excite.
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Quality of his recent albums aside, I think it is really great to finally see SW getting some great recognition. I have seen him three times as a solo artist, and it is really nice how he has grown as an artist from time to time. The first time I saw him, it was on the GFD tour and he was playing a smaller rock bar, with maybe 200-300 people there. The second time was during the Raven tour, and he played a slightly bigger bar/venue with maybe 500 people there. This time he played a ~800 capacity seated theatre, the place with the best sound here in my city. And it's not just cool that each time he plays a bigger venue, but you notice how the whole "spectacle" around the gig becomes bigger and bigger, the crowd gets bigger and people seem more excited, and in terms of merchandise people are flocking around the merchandise table. He even has his own plastic bag that says Steven Wilson on it! :lol
I may not have been the biggest fan of Raven or Hand Cannot Erase (even though I think both are good), but I do feel happy for SW, and it's nice to see him get some recognition. I don't think Prog will ever be considered cool or a mainstream thing again, but someone like SW filling out big theatres, making very artistic music with a lot of time, effort and passion put into it at his age, it's great to see.
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As someone who never got to see PT live I was happy to hear Lazarus and Sleep Together.
Sleep Together was absolute amazing performance, one of the highlights for me because of that outro. Second highlight for me was Index. That live version was far more superior than the album version. And that song was my least favourite of the set before the concert!!
But Lazarus seemed a bit out of place there, they just played it but it sort of seemed that it was just for the fans and SW himself didn't quite enjoy of it. That was my interpretation, I might be wrong.
That was my only complaint but overall it was so great evening with SW. And I really liked to hear SW speak so much between the songs :)
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Quality of his recent albums aside, I think it is really great to finally see SW getting some great recognition. I have seen him three times as a solo artist, and it is really nice how he has grown as an artist from time to time. The first time I saw him, it was on the GFD tour and he was playing a smaller rock bar, with maybe 200-300 people there. The second time was during the Raven tour, and he played a slightly bigger bar/venue with maybe 500 people there. This time he played a ~800 capacity seated theatre, the place with the best sound here in my city. And it's not just cool that each time he plays a bigger venue, but you notice how the whole "spectacle" around the gig becomes bigger and bigger, the crowd gets bigger and people seem more excited, and in terms of merchandise people are flocking around the merchandise table. He even has his own plastic bag that says Steven Wilson on it! :lol
I may not have been the biggest fan of Raven or Hand Cannot Erase (even though I think both are good), but I do feel happy for SW, and it's nice to see him get some recognition. I don't think Prog will ever be considered cool or a mainstream thing again, but someone like SW filling out big theatres, making very artistic music with a lot of time, effort and passion put into it at his age, it's great to see.
Looking back at his colossal discography and all his projects, and considering how much passion he has put on every album just to bring the best and never repeat himself, I can only say: He f*cking deserves it. He's even selling out entire venues everywhere he goes on this tour.
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Amen! I can't wait to get my very own SW plastic bag :caffeine:
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As someone who never got to see PT live I was happy to hear Lazarus and Sleep Together.
Sleep Together was absolute amazing performance, one of the highlights for me because of that outro. Second highlight for me was Index. That live version was far more superior than the album version. And that song was my least favourite of the set before the concert!!
But Lazarus seemed a bit out of place there, they just played it but it sort of seemed that it was just for the fans and SW himself didn't quite enjoy of it. That was my interpretation, I might be wrong.
Yeah, I loved the new version of Index (that video in the background was creepy as hell! :lol), and Sleep Together was awesome. I thought Lazarus was really beautiful combined with the nostalgic projections on the screen, and I didn't get the impression SW was going through the motions, because he said it's a song he's still proud of and it fits thematically into the set with the new album.
BTW, I checked Wikipedia and it turned out that Nick was right for once: Kajagoogoo topped the Finnish single charts in March 1983 (https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_Suomen_singlelistan_ykk%C3%B6sist%C3%A4_vuonna_1983) :D Also, when I took the bus back to Tampere I heard a couple talking about the show - nice coincidence!
Quality of his recent albums aside, I think it is really great to finally see SW getting some great recognition. I have seen him three times as a solo artist, and it is really nice how he has grown as an artist from time to time. The first time I saw him, it was on the GFD tour and he was playing a smaller rock bar, with maybe 200-300 people there. The second time was during the Raven tour, and he played a slightly bigger bar/venue with maybe 500 people there. This time he played a ~800 capacity seated theatre, the place with the best sound here in my city. And it's not just cool that each time he plays a bigger venue, but you notice how the whole "spectacle" around the gig becomes bigger and bigger, the crowd gets bigger and people seem more excited, and in terms of merchandise people are flocking around the merchandise table. He even has his own plastic bag that says Steven Wilson on it! :lol
I saw someone with that plastic bag at the show! :lol
I didn't see SW the last time he played in Helsinki, but the venue's capacity is 1,500 people and I've read the show was sold out, which is impressive. I don't know whether the show on Sunday was sold out, but the venue was pretty packed so I'm pretty sure it was - the high attendance numbers probably have a lot to do with the fact that he didn't play in any other Finnish cities, which means that plenty of people (including yours truly and YtseJamittaja) travelled to see him.
But yes, Steven truly deserves all the success and recognition because of the hard work he has done over the years, and I find it really cool that his music still reaches new fans. :)
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Now all he needs to do is release another live video album after the tour ends with stuff mostly from the last two albums.
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BTW, I checked Wikipedia and it turned out that Nick was right for once: Kajagoogoo topped the Finnish single charts in March 1983 (https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_Suomen_singlelistan_ykk%C3%B6sist%C3%A4_vuonna_1983) :D Also, when I took the bus back to Tampere I heard a couple talking about the show - nice coincidence!
Haha, that really is hardcore as Steven said :rollin
Great that SW fans are everywhere! :D
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Kajagoogoo's Too shy was #5 in America on the charts and you could miss that song on MTV. It played every 2 hours.
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So, I was just browsing my usual news sites and found an article that stated that Taylor Swift's 1989 album was louder than AC/DC's Back in Black and the article was discussing stuff like the loudness wars of the modern age of music and there was a chart about the dynamic range and, uhhh, here's the reason why I posted here.
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Naturally, Metallica's Death Magnetic album was the worst in this category, but they friken listed Steven Wilson's Hand. Cannot. Erase. and judging from the looks of it, it's probably amongst the most dynamic albums there is in these modern times. I got to listen to that album again. I had good impressions on it on the 1st listen.
https://411mania.com/music/new-study-shows-taylor-swifts-1989-is-louder-than-acdc/
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Now all he needs to do is release another live video album after the tour ends with stuff mostly from the last two albums.
Seconded. A Live EP in the style of the track list of the Drive Home CD/BluRay (or DVD) EP wouldn't be to shabby either.
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I just read an interview with him yesterday in which he says live videos are boring to him, so I wouldn't hold my breath for another one, especially when Get All You Deserve is somewhat recent. Between that and Drive Home the first three albums are pretty covered, a new live DVD would just be HCE plus some repeated songs from the previous albums and maybe 1 or 2 new ones.
He mentioned Heima (by Sigur Ros) as the sort of video that's interesting to him because it's different, not just footage from a single concert. I would freaking love it if he did something conceptually different in that vein, not necessarily exactly like Heima but with the same scope.
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Heima is one of those "one of a kind" experiences, and I don't know if SW, or anyone for that fact could come close to capturing that kind of magic. Sigur Rós is a very unique, down to earth band, and that in combination with them being from Iceland and embracing the very unique essence of their home resulted in something really special.
I think SW will put out another live album, but my guess would be after the next studio album.
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I just read an interview with him yesterday in which he says live videos are boring to him, so I wouldn't hold my breath for another one, especially when Get All You Deserve is somewhat recent. Between that and Drive Home the first three albums are pretty covered, a new live DVD would just be HCE plus some repeated songs from the previous albums and maybe 1 or 2 new ones.
He could release the HCE material only, just like PT's Octane Twisted.
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Didn't he not want to release Octane Twisted?
I just got my vinyl copy of his electronic music release, can't wait to listen to it!
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I bought Octane Twisted but I gave it just one quick listen. Subpar audio compared to the usual PT standards.
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I think Octane Twisted was released mainly because the label pushed for it, and not because SW wanted to release it. If I'm not mistaken, SW also had less involvement and the sound quality of Octane Twisted is not as good as other recent SW/PT live releases, which makes me think he wasn't involved at all, or just didn't put the most effort into it.
It kinda felt like the label pushing to release another PT album to keep the name alive and relevant, since SW had at that point already gone 100% into his solo career.
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He was outvoted by the other band members in releasing it. He didn't want it to be released.
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Heima is one of those "one of a kind" experiences, and I don't know if SW, or anyone for that fact could come close to capturing that kind of magic. Sigur Rós is a very unique, down to earth band, and that in combination with them being from Iceland and embracing the very unique essence of their home resulted in something really special.
I think SW will put out another live album, but my guess would be after the next studio album.
I think he was referring more to the idea of doing a documentary/film rather than just straight concert footage, not specifically doing something exactly like Heima.
Here is the link but the interview is only in Spanish (it's from the chilean PT fanclub facebook page), they haven't posted an English version afaik.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/porcupine-tree-chile/entrevista-exclusiva-a-steven-wilson/886652428042874
My attempt at translating this question specifically:
PTChile: Ahora tengo algunas preguntas al azar. ¿Se grabarán los shows en el Royal Albert Hall? ¿Hay algún plan de lanzar un DVD en vivo en el futuro?
Steve: No, no serán grabados. No tengo ningún plan de lanzar un DVD en vivo. ¿Sabes qué? tengo sentimientos encontrados con los DVD en vivo. Hice uno muy temprano en mi carrera solista. Es levemente insatisfactorio hacer un DVD en vivo, sobretodo en un show como éste, que es un show muy envolvente y visual, tiene sonido cuadrafónico, tiene muchos videos y proyecciones en distintas pantallas. Es muy difícil encapsular todo en un DVD de alguna forma y creo que en este último tiempo hay una tendencia en que las bandas lanzan un DVD en vivo con cada álbum que sacan. ¿Sabes de qué estoy hablando? Y creo que a veces es mucho. Una parte de mí dice “¿Sabes qué? Si quieres ver el show, ¡ven a verlo!”. Y otra parte dice “OK, pero no todos pueden ir a ver el show, gente que vive en, no sé, Pakistán, nunca va a ver el show”. Así que también entiendo eso. Creo que un evento como el Royal Albert Hall va a ser eso, un evento. Tienes que estar ahí. Podría grabarlo y lanzarlo, pero una parte de mí piensa “no, hay que estar ahí esa noche”. Creo que si vamos a hacer algún tipo de lanzamiento en vivo, me gustaría hacer algo realmente extraordinario. ¿Has visto el DVD en vivo que hizo Sigur Ros? (Heima) es increíble. Hacen cada canción en un ambiente distinto, hacen uno donde están literalmente en la ladera de una montaña, y luego otra donde están en una sala de clases, vuelven a su vieja escuela y la graban en su sala. No hay público y cada canción tiene alguna ubicación física y un contexto y me encanta lo que hicieron con eso, porque le da un vuelco a toda esta idea. Digamos que no creo estar interesado en hacer un DVD genérico, eso es aburrido para mí. Pero sí sé que hay expectación y algunos quieren alguna especie de lanzamiento pero realmente deberían venir al show si pueden.
PTChile: I've got some random questions now. Will the Royal Albert Hall shows be recorded? Is there any plan to release a live DVD in the future?
Steve: No, they will not be recorded. I don't have any plans to release a live DVD. You know what? I have mixed feelings with live DVDs. I did one very early in my solo career. It's somewhat unsatisfactory to do a live DVD, especially in a show like this, which is a very surrounding and visual one, has quadraphonic sound, has a lot of video and projections in different screens. It's very difficult to encapsulate all of this in a DVD somewhow and I think lately there's a tendency for bands to release a live DVD with each album. You know what I mean? And I think it's sometimes too much. Part of me says "You know what? If you want to see the show, come see it!" And another part says "OK, but not everybody can attend the show, people that live, I don't know, in Pakistan, they can never attend the show". So I understand that part too. I think an event like the RAH shows will be that, an event. You have to be there. I could record it and release it, but part of me thinks "no, you have to be there that night". I think that if we are going to do some kind of live release, I'd like to do something really extraordinary. Have you watched the live DVD that Sigur Ros did? (Heima) It's incredible. They perform each song in a different setting, they do one literally in the slopes of a mountain and then another in a classroom, going back to their old school and recording a song there. There's no audience and each song has a specific location and context and I love what they did with that, because it turns the whole idea upside down. Let's just say I don't think I'm interested in a generic DVD, that's boring to me. But I acknowledge there's an expectation and some people want some kind of release but they really should attend the show if possible
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I wouldn't mind if SW releases a track or two from the tour on his Soundcloud like he did with Radioactive Toy live at the RAH.
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Just came in to say that Guthrie's guitar sound is outstanding, particularly during the solo in Regret #9. Screw "chocolate cake" or whatever, that sound on HCE is where it's at.
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Those who have been to US shows, how are the replacement players doing?
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I don't think he's been here yet.
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Sorry if this is irrelevant and/or immature, i'm just :rollin
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Wut
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Wut
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:zydar:
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I finally had a chance to dedicate some "Me" time to sit down with album alone and no distractions. I had spun it several times already
but this was different. It was like the old days of getting a new vinyl album. I pulled out the liner notes and read the lyrics along with
blasting the music and I really don't have the right words to describe how much this album moves me. This man has a very unique ability
to reach down and give my soul a ride...only Pink Floyd hits me on the level SW has recently. I could say it's 10/10 but that still
does not describe how breathtaking this piece of music is. Couple this album with TRtRtS and some of of PT material and I thing
I would have to say he is my favorite musician right now. I'm actually speechless trying to find to words to describe this album.
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:tup I need to listen to HCE again. I still think it's amazing, but I want to take the time for it instead of just putting it on when I'm doing something completely different in the meantime.
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It was all I listened to for about a month, and now I probably haven't listened to it in over a month because I sort of overdid it. I'll come back to it when the Boulder concert gets closer :D
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It was all I listened to for about a month, and now I probably haven't listened to it in over a month because I sort of overdid it. I'll come back to it when the Boulder concert gets closer :D
Yeah, exactly that. And I've already promised myself that the next time I'll listen to it will be sort of like a second virginity. Again with the book, immersing myself with the album.
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I very rarely get burned out on albums, but I think that's mainly because I only listen to an album once per day, and when you listen to music 9-10 hours a day, that one album is hard to burn out on. For me it's more an issue of life length. Some albums keep a solid spot and I rotate them frequently, others fade into oblivion. Grace For Drowning was played frequently the whole year it came out, and I still listen to it whenever I want some SW solo music. Raven had slightly shorter life length for me, but still holds up fairly well, and I liked it more upon revisiting it after HCE came out. HCE was great for a few weeks, but I don't see myself returning to it much more, maybe just to see how it holds up in a year. Not a bad album, just nothing noteworthy to bring me back. If I want my SW fix, I will most likely turn to the best of PT, or his first two solo albums, which are just incredible. :heart
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[...] and when you listen to music 9-10 hours a day...
:|
I hope you aren't actually listening to music for that insane amount of time. I can barely listen to 3 albums per day before my head (and ears) start hurting :-[ .
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I don't get the chance to listen to music that much any more. But in my formative years, I listened to music AT LEAST that much.
Not only that, but I was such an addict that when I couldn't listen to music, I would have it in my head, and would often hum without realizing it. This was a common complaint from teachers.
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I don't think it's that much. But I think the fact that I listen to so many different music styles makes it easier. There is no way I could sit through 9-10 hours of the same music in one day. Variety makes it easier and more enjoyable.
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I agree with that. It all depends on my mood.
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I don't think it's that much. But I think the fact that I listen to so many different music styles makes it easier. There is no way I could sit through 9-10 hours of the same music in one day. Variety makes it easier and more enjoyable.
Oh totally agree with this point on variety, but I was talking heath-wise - I guess it depends on everyone's ears, but such amount of music seems a bit too much for me.
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I'm seeing Steven Wilson this Friday for third time (fifth if you count the two PT shows I went to in 2007 and 2010 respectively). I'm excited as hell, I love hand.cannot.erase so much.
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I just saw him in Albany for the first time. I had never been to any of either his or porcupine tree's shows.
it was a great show - absolutely - but does he always do that weird stuff with his hands? he was flaring them and clenching them and pointing at the drummer and all that other stuff when he wasn't playing. it seemed a little goofy to me :lol
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Yeah, that's a part of his performance. It makes him look even more eccentric and weird, which can't be bad. :lol
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He's just being expressive.
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He started doing that with his solo band. I saw him with PT in 2009 and he did nothing like that back then. But when I saw him on the GFD tour in 2011, he was flailing all over the place.
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Not sure that's right Jimmy, he definitely did a fair bit the times I saw PT. Not saying he doesn't do MORE of it now though, I haven't seen his solo band live.
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absolutely nothing he did in PT live shows is comparable.
i think it's because he doesn't constantly have a guitar to play for every song. he probably had the aesthetic direction to do weird shit with PT but couldn't out of practicality, so you'd just get the weird hand points with the pick between his fingers, and only when he had a break from playing.
now he's pretty free for a lot of moments just to sing. seems like he plays more keyboards than guitar, too!
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My turn tonight! Second time seeing him solo!
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seasonsinthesky is probably on point. With PT he was always playing something (piano, keys or guitar) and it didn't allow him to do those things.
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seasonsinthesky is probably on point. With PT he was always playing something (piano, keys or guitar) and it didn't allow him to do those things.
Ah ok, sounds like it's a lot more eccentric now then. It was odd enough back then. :lol
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I'm surprised you haven't seen his solo band live! Surely there has been plenty of UK dates? :P
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not to mention some excellent video releases – "The Watchmaker" on the Drive Home video release is beyond amazing!
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Great time hanging with Rumbo and now the show!
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Great time hanging with Rumbo and now the show!
:tup :tup
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:D :D
Can't wait til he gets to Colorado! Just a couple more weeks...
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One hell of a show.
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Jealous.
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Also, best cover song ever :lol
He played "Thank you India" by Alannis Morissette.
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It's actually just "Thank U" and he has played it with Blackfield live before. :) It's a nice song.
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Nice!
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Thank U is also on the Cover Version compilation. Good stuff!
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Man Routine was depressing enough without that live video.
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There's going to be a live stream of him on June 13 at 10:30 PM PST. I'll probably watch it. I hope it's good.
https://screen.yahoo.com/live/event/steven-wilson
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That's the show I WOULD be going to if I were going.
I DONT HAVE TO MISS IT NOW!
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1:30am ET on a Sunday? Man, I would love to watch this, but I don't think I will be able to. I'd be up until 4am essentially. I guess the West Coasters are good, so are the Europeans. Can't fault Steven for scheduling it like that.
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The good news is that, I think, the stream will still be up for 24 hours of repeats after the show and I think, eventually, someone may upload the stream to youtube.
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Oh, that would be excellent.
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Frankly, I'm shocked Steven agreed to that sort of thing. He's such a control freak, and doesn't allow bootlegs to be freely traded anymore. He's gotta know that as soon as that airs it's going to get around like wildfire.
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Gee, SW doing a livestream? Strange. Especially considering his recent "if you want to see the show, just come and see it, no dvds will be made" statement. Can't complain tho
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I wouldn't be surprised if all of his shows are sold out, and he's realizing there's no way for some people to see him.
On another note, loved the crowd interaction between the songs. He's so well-spoken and clearly smart, even the most random ramble about Kajagoogoo's highest ranking in the US was thoroughly delightful.
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And Nick them complaining, "He does this to me all the time". :lol
I just loved the banter.
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I may have an extra free pair of tickets for tomorrow night in Glenside. If that ends up being the case, would anyone be interested in them?
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Buy me two plane tickets and I'm there. I am due to use two sick days at work anyway. :lol :lol
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Yes, that sounds very economical for me!
I did indeed get the two tickets. If anyone wants them please get in touch ASAP.
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Show. Did. Amaze.
Pretty much everything I expected and more, fantastic.
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Wow. That was incredible.
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That show was great.
Tom, you probably saw Nick and I, we were selling tour books before and after the show.
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That show was great.
Tom, you probably saw Nick and I, we were selling tour books before and after the show.
I saw you guys, one of you had a Haken shirt right?
And amazing show! Couldn't have asked for a better first SW show :metal
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I was Haken.
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Ah yes indeed I did see you guys :tup
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Mason, looks like you have become a convert!
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You would have to be a soulless person to not be converted by a SW concert. Great music, outstanding musicianship, and excellent visuals. What more could one ask for.
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NYC tonight, baby! Oh, yeah! :metal
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Anyone who attended the last shows of the tour could comment about the new drummer and guitarist, please? I'm curious if they really match the level of Marco and Guthrie...
Thanks!
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I didn't go, but I saw some videos
Craig is pretty great, and stands up to Marco pretty well actually. He's definetly better than Chad Wackerman (last tour's replacement for Marco).
Dave has a very different style from Guthrie, but he seems more into the music than Guthrie does. Then again, he didn't record his parts, so he kind of switches the solos up a bit, but nothing too shockingly different.
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They were both good. The only time it was ever really noticeable that either Guthrie or Marco was missing was the solo in The Watchmaker, though that's probably Guthrie's craziest solo in Steven Wilson's discography, so I can't blame the new guy for not being able to play it.
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They can both hold their own. But I would lie if I said I didn't miss Guthrie and Marco.
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They can both hold their own. But I would lie if I said I didn't miss Guthrie and Marco.
I agree. I think I was so jazzed when the same band was recording that it was a slight letdown finding out they would be on our leg of the tour but both guys didn't miss a beat with only 10 days of rehearsals between the change of band members.
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Thanks for the feedback! :tup
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I haven't seen them yet, but my friend who went to the Newark show said that they were good but you could tell they were new with the band/still getting used to it. I'm hoping it will be less obvious by the time they get to Boulder :D
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Holy crap. I just realized that in 2001, I lived in SW's hometown (Kingston upon Thames) for several months.
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I haven't seen them yet, but my friend who went to the Newark show said that they were good but you could tell they were new with the band/still getting used to it. I'm hoping it will be less obvious by the time they get to Boulder :D
I didn't think it was obvious at all. Especially the guitar player. He was pretty much flawless. The drummer was awesome, but I did still wish I got to see Marco.
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Just got back from the 1st NYC show. Spectacular show! I'm seeing the concept of the album in totally different light thanks to the awesome live visuals. Thought that Craig and Dave did a great job of filling in for Marco and Guthrie.
Jordan Rudess was at the show as well (as he was for the last few times SW was in NYC). At the end of the show I said hello to him and even got a picture with him.
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Great show tonight! Definitely missed Marco. I love watching him perform. The highlight for me was "Sleep Together." Love FoaBP but didnt see that tour. It was pure magic live!
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Going tonight :biggrin:
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Amazing show tonight. Saw both NYC shows and personally, I thought the 2nd night was the better of the two. Crowd was more vocal and expressive 2nd night and it truly showed in the way the band's stage presence came across tonight.
That video for Routine though...man, it was a depressing song as it is, but now after seeing the video, I'm seeing the song in a different light (though just as melancholic as I saw it before) :'(
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What exactly happens in the Routine video? I've heard the song is about a mom whose husband and children were killed, but I've read many comments about the video.
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There was a bit with the woman washing the dishes and bleeding into the sink, it was both terrifying and touching. But I don't remember much more, I was mostly floored by the performance and the band.
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Amazing show tonight. Saw both NYC shows and personally, I thought the 2nd night was the better of the two. Crowd was more vocal and expressive 2nd night and it truly showed in the way the band's stage presence came across tonight.
That video for Routine though...man, it was a depressing song as it is, but now after seeing the video, I'm seeing the song in a different light (though just as melancholic as I saw it before) :'(
Where we you sitting? I was talking to a guy in my row who said the same exact thing.
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Amazing show tonight. Saw both NYC shows and personally, I thought the 2nd night was the better of the two. Crowd was more vocal and expressive 2nd night and it truly showed in the way the band's stage presence came across tonight.
That video for Routine though...man, it was a depressing song as it is, but now after seeing the video, I'm seeing the song in a different light (though just as melancholic as I saw it before) :'(
Where we you sitting? I was talking to a guy in my row who said the same exact thing.
Fifth row center.
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I am so stoked for that live stream on the 13th.
I'm gonna have the house to myself... I think I may even reinstall my surround system and make it into an event.
Also.. I kinda burnt myself out on H.C.E... but pulled it out this morning and am listening to it... and falling in love with it all over again!
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Anyone else going to the Pittsburgh/Greensburg show on Tuesday?
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Amazing show tonight. Saw both NYC shows and personally, I thought the 2nd night was the better of the two. Crowd was more vocal and expressive 2nd night and it truly showed in the way the band's stage presence came across tonight.
That video for Routine though...man, it was a depressing song as it is, but now after seeing the video, I'm seeing the song in a different light (though just as melancholic as I saw it before) :'(
I was there last night but didn't go to the first show in NYC so I'm glad to hear that :lol Did you see Jordan in the crowd? He was sitting pretty close to me and I happened to notice him a little bit before the show started.
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Very decent show tonight
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SW was in a very good mood. Lots of smiles, and crowd interaction. Very cool and small venue. Overall a really great show.
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Very decent show tonight
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SW was in a very good mood. Lots of smiles, and crowd interaction. Very cool and small venue. Overall a really great show.
I was there as well and had an amazing time. Sound was incredible, SW banter was fun, and the entire sensory experience was really impactful. Will definitely be seeing him next time around.
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There was a bit with the woman washing the dishes and bleeding into the sink, it was both terrifying and touching. But I don't remember much more, I was mostly floored by the performance and the band.
The first night, I missed the part where she bleeds into the sink as I was watching the band but the second night I saw it and had quite what they call a "fridge horror" moment seeing that. I remember after that sequence she goes back into the children's room and throwing the toys and the sequence after that was epileptic sequence showing the cutout the newspaper article of the woman's husband and children being killed. It ended with her standing in front of a tree of her house as if that was her personal grave marker for her deceased family.
I was there last night but didn't go to the first show in NYC so I'm glad to hear that :lol Did you see Jordan in the crowd? He was sitting pretty close to me and I happened to notice him a little bit before the show started.
I didn't see him in the crowd even though I knew he was in attendance both nights. I was pretty close in the front and center and quite short so I would've had a hard time trying to look for him. :lol But the first night I saw him talking to a few fans as I was walking out of the theater and said a quick hello to him.
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The good news is that, I think, the stream will still be up for 24 hours of repeats after the show and I think, eventually, someone may upload the stream to youtube.
Has this been confirmed? I'll happily stay up until 3 in the morning for live SW, but I'd rather not if possible.
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What exactly happens in the Routine video? I've heard the song is about a mom whose husband and children were killed, but I've read many comments about the video.
I think what made the video extra depressing is the fact that it reveals that they were killed in a school shooting. Children dying is depressing enough, but having it be a school shooting that caused it is extra fucked up.
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The good news is that, I think, the stream will still be up for 24 hours of repeats after the show and I think, eventually, someone may upload the stream to youtube.
Has this been confirmed? I'll happily stay up until 3 in the morning for live SW, but I'd rather not if possible.
I don't know if it has been officially confirmed, but I've seen many of these Yahoo live streams over the past year, and have caught some replays during the day after. I don't see why this case would be any exception.
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The good news is that, I think, the stream will still be up for 24 hours of repeats after the show and I think, eventually, someone may upload the stream to youtube.
Has this been confirmed? I'll happily stay up until 3 in the morning for live SW, but I'd rather not if possible.
Actually, i just checked the link again, and it says 11pm ET! That i can definitely watch.
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I will say while HCE is my favorite Wilson album since probably Deadwing, I came away from his show with somewhat of a bitter taste in my mouth. Seemed a bit like he was trying to act deep and smart, which I've never seen him do before. We all know that he's deep and smart, I just could have done without him talking about the "poetry of melancholia" on stage.
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I saw him twice this tour, and while I wasn't at the same show as you, I didn't get that vibe. He explained his music and why he writes melancholy music, but it didn't seem like he was trying to be "deep and smart" as you put it. Most people seemed to like the banter, and I think the shows would have been worse off if he just introduced songs.
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Aviv Geffen, Steven Wilson & Alan Parsons
Blackfield 5 - recording session
February 2015
This was posted on the Blackfield official page a few hours ago along with a pic of them together. Is Steven back? Is he just a producer this time? The hell is Parsons doing there?
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Blackfield 5 warms my heart
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Holy fuuuuck, the Boulder show.
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Holy fuuuuck, the Boulder show.
And holy fuuuuck, the DC show as well. It's been a couple of weeks since I saw him, and I'm still kind of digesting it all, but I really enjoyed SW this go around. A bit more than the last time I saw him, on TRTRTS tour, which makes sense given that I've become much more interested in his music these past couple years. My girlfriend cried during Routine and afterwards said that SW clearly isn't human. That he's some sort of extra terrestrial creature using music as a way to get in with the human population. Of course, as she said, he hasn't quite mastered the aging thing yet. I loved the visuals as well and was really tickled with the amount of interaction with the crowd.
Also it was really nice seeing the turnout. Last time I saw him in a smaller venue and there were a lot more people lining up before the show this time.
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Yeah, this particular show was sold out and the crowd was clearly very into it. I was in the second row and the view was amazing! I cried/teared up about five times. I wasn't expecting to hear Lazarus, so that really got me (as did Routine, Ancestral, Happy Returns and Raven). The rendition of Index they did was very fucking cool, sorta had a more Insurgentes vibe to it... and speaking of, Harmony Korine was wonderful to hear. Sleep Together= badass. I was next to another woman who was super into it and we were groovin' our asses off. Watchmaker was awesome as usual... and what am I forgetting? I dunno, but it was amazing. Possibly my favorite of the five or so shows I've seen from this band. Of course there are always songs you wished you could've heard, but I really couldn't have asked for a better set. The drummer/guitarist were both great too. Not quite the same as Marco and Guthrie, but clearly very talented dudes and comfortable with the material at this point.
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That Drummer Guy interviews Steven Wilson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWBK5XGwLxU
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That Drummer Guy interviews Steven Wilson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWBK5XGwLxU
Nice. What I liked most of all of that is that he sounds so passionate about the here and now and what the future holds for his solo material. Doesn't sound like he has any plans on throwing in the towel on his solo career anytime soon, and that we will see many more solo albums to come in the future. This is a fantastic thought. Also, I think it's awesome that he puts so much effort into designing a complete experience from the moment you arrive at the venue to the moment you walk out. Perfect evening with experience.
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What exactly happens in the Routine video? I've heard the song is about a mom whose husband and children were killed, but I've read many comments about the video.
I think what made the video extra depressing is the fact that it reveals that they were killed in a school shooting. Children dying is depressing enough, but having it be a school shooting that caused it is extra fucked up.
I missed that part of the video. I hadn't put much thought into the lyrics prior to the show. I guess I had been thinking the mother had been divorced and no longer had the children with her. The video was extremely sad, more so from the fact that I have kids 5 and 3 years old so I can't imagine going through something like that.
I cried/teared up about five times. I wasn't expecting to hear Lazarus, so that really got me (as did Routine, Ancestral, Happy Returns and Raven).
I'll admit I was sobbing during Happy Returns but that song frequently does that to me. It makes me think of a family member who is closed off a lot of the time and I can imagine them writing something like the lyrics in the song and never sending it.
Anyway onto less depressing thoughts. :) I thought the show was really awesome. Probably not as awesome as the last tour but I still have a slight preference for the Raven anyway which taints that a bit. As usual his banter on stage was a lot of fun.
The new song/material was really interesting. I'm not sure if it will be on the next album since he said it was a leftover from the new album. In any case hopefully it gets an official release.
I do find it interesting that his stance towards Porcupine Tree music has changed. Last tour he said he didn't feel bad taking stuff from the Porcupine Tree albums that were more solo work and the ones he played this time around certainly didn't fall into that category. I did go back and look at other sets and see that he did an acoustic version of Trains at some shows. That would have been cool. And apparently some shows got "How is your Life Today" in place of "Lazarus".
It was cool to meet up with you and your friend Jackie. Lots of good conversation and laughs prior to the show.
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Hey guys, glad you're digging the interview.
I am still around, but I've been extremely busy the first half of the year, all winding up with me FINALLY moving to Minnesota (about 15 minutes from 80% of the venues I go to here). I still have a few boxes and pieces of furniture to go, then set up internet and BOOM, I'll be back.
The interview was a bit last minute for me. It wasn't till the Thursday night before the show that I was told by Steven's PR that HE wanted ME to interview him (not the other way around, well obviously that too, but his PR sent me the first email). I was hoping to do it at the show on Sunday, but due to time restraints I wasn't able to make it happen. So it got moved to yesterday where I had to make a makeshift studio setup with my phone, the mic I use to record my radio show and my computer that is about to die. I think it turned out great and once I get set up tp do it again, I definitely plan on doing more phone interviews, it was a hell of a lot of fun.
The only downside is that I didn't get to ask nearly the amount I wanted to and you can tell that right as i hit the vein of some killer stuff to talk about, it was over (I edited out the part where his PR told me I had to stop so he could go to the next interview). But I know this won't be the last time I get to do this, so I have much more to talk about on the horizon.
And I will be back! I promise!
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It was cool to meet up with you and your friend Jackie. Lots of good conversation and laughs prior to the show.
Same to you!
As for Routine, the deluxe edition tells you about the school shooting, so that part wasn't surprising to me. The video was quite sad, though not as heartbreaking as some people seem to think. Maybe it's different for those who didn't know the entire context before.
As for his banter, that was great. When he flipped off the people from Texas and said "We came from England," :lol
I would've been thrilled with Trains or How Is Your Life Today, but I'm really glad we got Lazarus :heart
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He is playing Lazarus at every show on this tour. I was fortunate enough to see him twice (in Newark, NJ and NYC) and for whatever reason, I lucked out with the extended set list with How Is Your Life Today? and Trains at both shows. It is unfortunate that he isn't playing them at every show on this tour, but I'm thrilled that I got to see them :hefdaddy
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i dunno, "Lazarus" seems to be swapped out for the medley of HCE leftovers, and i think i'd rather hear that, personally!
hopefully he includes a studio version somewhere (but i'm sure there'll be a Bluray for this tour that includes it, given the live stream thing)!
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Holy crap, good thing I checked this thread! It just popped into my mind that SW's online stream is happening tomorrow.
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i dunno, "Lazarus" seems to be swapped out for the medley of HCE leftovers, and i think i'd rather hear that, personally!
hopefully he includes a studio version somewhere (but i'm sure there'll be a Bluray for this tour that includes it, given the live stream thing)!
According to setlist.fm, the only show on this tour that Lazarus was not played at was the 2nd show in Chicago on June 5th. I wasn't a huge fan of the song prior to the show but seeing it live made me appreciate the song a lot more.
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So I thought the live stream was yesterday and I woke up at 5AM just to see it, only to find out that it was 24 hours later. Still excited tho :lol
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So I thought the live stream was yesterday and I woke up at 5AM just to see it, only to find out that it was 24 hours later. Still excited tho :lol
Son of a..........
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I'm getting together with some friends tonight to watch the stream, can't wait :metal
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All righty, then. Less than 9 hours to go. I don't know what to do till then. I might as well relisten to Hand. Cannot. Erase.
Here's the link though.
https://screen.yahoo.com/live/event/steven-wilson
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:caffeine:
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It'll go up at 6 a.m. for me, not sure if I should try to watch it, it's Sunday morning after all, I want to get some sleep after a six day working week, haha. Are we sure there's no repeated streams after that?
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So very excited.
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It'll go up at 6 a.m. for me, not sure if I should try to watch it, it's Sunday morning after all, I want to get some sleep after a six day working week, haha. Are we sure there's no repeated streams after that?
I think there's bound to be 24 hours worth of replays on the same channel after the live stream is down. We'll see.
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Fuck.
Stuck working late. I should be home an hour before the stream begins but there is a chance that I won't.
Fuck
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So I thought the live stream was yesterday and I woke up at 5AM just to see it, only to find out that it was 24 hours later. Still excited tho :lol
Son of a..........
i wasn't a day early but I thought it was going to be at 4 am my time so set the alarm to 3:30 (to get a couple snoozes in) and found out it is at 5 :facepalm:. Not what I needed since working almost non stop 12 hour days on my house to meget the deadline... What i wont do to see SW :hefdaddy
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Is the show starting? All I see on the screen is the stage with some buildings on the big screen.
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It's starting! I haven't been this excited since the day Systematic Chaos came out.
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YES
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I don't like what Steven added there.
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Fist pumping
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I think I'm going to have a good time here and they are only three songs in.
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I just can't believe I'm getting this free entertainment right now. It doesn't add up in my brain.
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Man, he's got a good point about happy music being depressing.
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"The saddest songs should also be the most beautiful and uplifting" Throwback to Warszawa, that's what Steven said before playing Stop Swimming ;D
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Jesus, that was something else.
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INDEX
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The performances have been fantastic so far. The rendition of Perfect Life was so much more livelier and I think I prefer it to the studio version.
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Steven's my hero, he's exactly what every touring musician should be. He makes the songs different and fresh in a live context. This is awe-inspiring.
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Lol
Steven on bass
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the "Index" remix has world's most pretentious opening! he's outdone himself there :p
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Nice of Steven to point up to the heavens in honor of the diseased and rotting Porcupine Tree
:(
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I'm missing Guthrie here. Also, this is my least favorite song and I think it's kind of dragging here in a live context.
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OOOOOHHH SHIT REGRET #9 THEY CHANGIN IT UPPPPPP
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The Regret #9 solo :hefdaddy
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The Regret #9 solo :hefdaddy
there are pieces of my face on the walls after that
also the stream died for me in the middle of his acoustic signature guitar talk :(
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ok piss break time
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WHO THE HELL GOES TO PEE DURING LAZARUS.
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Haven't heard Lazarus in forever, might have to revisit that album.
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WHO THE HELL GOES TO PEE DURING LAZARUS.
It's not a bad song... but it's no where near something I'm excited to hear.
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stars die
c'mon stars die
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nope harmony korine :heart :heart :heart
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God, that is such a f***ing mammoth song. One of the top 5 songs he's ever written for sure.
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Ancestral now, just Happy Returns and all of HCE will have been performed save for some of the interludes.
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Damn, that was epic.
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I like how the account of Steven Wilson is live tweeting the setlist, unless SW himself is taking breaks between songs to go tweet.:-)
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How long have SW's setlists been this tour? I think we're approaching almost an hour and a half now.
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About 2 hours I believe
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I've never been a fan of the second to last song, I hope a miracle happens and plays any song but that.
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What s great show! Yeah Regret #9 is just frigging epic live. I saw him earlier in the tour with MM and GD but I really like their replacements... It's also nice to be able to actually see the show since I couldn't see shit when I saw them.
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Fun Fact: The Raven is the greatest 70's prog rock album ever recorded.
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Fun Fact: The Raven is the greatest 70's prog rock album ever recorded.
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Raven is my favorite SW solo album. I can listen to it back to back endless times.
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die die die die
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It made me a bit sad to see The Watchmaker without the flute solo in the middle. I would rather have had them trigger it from the album than have a keyboard solo replace it.
This is still very cool, regardless. :tup :tup
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This song is a tour de force. I also think I just heard blast beats in a Steven Wilson song.
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Bathroom break time!
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The curtain rises and 2 hours are up, I hope there's an encore with hopefully The Raven title track.
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Sleep Together live is better than in studio :hefdaddy
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FREEBIRD
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I heard rumors that he's just going to play Trains 3 times in a row.
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And my wish is granted.
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I think this is the most beautiful song I've ever heard.
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I can listen to the Raven title track infinitely.
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That was an amazing concert. I really hope this tour gets an official bluray release.
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Raven made me tear up some.
It didn't do that when I saw it on the Raven tour... but this time... at least the first half... was so much more emotional.
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Next up, San Francisco. My turn bitches....
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I just watched the replay in the stream. What an underwhelming rendition of Regret #9. Marco's replacement is not up to snuff. And I hate how they forgot that what made Regret #9 great musically are the moments of gradual buildup to climaxes. Here the guitar solo just hit the high notes way too early. And the keys were all over the place, it did not build-up to the guitar solo.
Really disappointed.
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The live stream was wonderful :hefdaddy
Loved the new version of Index with DAT explosion of noise and The Watchmaker video/light show were stunning. I almost crapped my pants in the outro.
Other than that, Craig should chill a bit, some of those drum fills are completely unnecessary, but I get him, he's just having fun. Great show overall!
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Yeah, just watched a portion of the stream. And although I know it's near impossible to replace Guthrie and/or Marco, I must say I'm surprised about the style of players Steven has chosen. Both are totally different type of players, but you can hear they somehow try to imitate the original touring player.
I must say that if there is to be a Blu Ray release, I'll only buy it with the Europe band. No offense of course to the two new guys, I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.
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How long is the stream?
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I woke up and started watching the stream in the middle of Ancestral. Unfortunately the stream died right before The Watchmaker, but I was able to watch the rest of the show afterwards. I thought the substitute players fit in alright, but of course they can't beat the original band. That commercial break was fun! :lol I also agree with SW on the "sad vs happy music" issue.
BTW, I wrote a review of HCE yesterday: https://echotester.blogspot.com/2015/06/steven-wilson-hand-cannot-erase-2015.html I know SW has said he hates how everyone can write a review these days, but I swear I'm at least slightly better at writing than that 12-year-old kid from Utah. :lol
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I thought the substitute players fit in alright, but of course they can't beat the original band.
Well I guess that
Band. Cannot. Replace.
:neverusethis:
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I thought the substitute players fit in alright, but of course they can't beat the original band.
Well I guess that
Band. Cannot. Replace.
:neverusethis:
:lol
(My inner grammar nazi says it should be Band. Cannot. Be. Replaced., but it still gave me a good chuckle)
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Well, that was amazing to watch. So good memories from a few months ago. The band truly cannot be replaced ( :lol) but they did really good job, especially the drummer!
I'm in love. :hefdaddy
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I thought it was a masterful performance by everyone last night :tup I'm very appreciative that we all had the opportunity to witness that from home.
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Watching the show again, :metal :metal
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Almost out of work, then off to the show. So fucking stoked!!1 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Almost out of work, then off to the show. So. Fucking. Stoked. :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
fix'd
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Happened to turn this on earlier today and Raven was playing. Perfect. Looped back to the beginning and had just enough time to relive this incredible tour.
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Found a way to record it from my computer, did it 2.5 times so I can splice it together and avoid any buffering issues. Can't wait to watch it!
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Damn man. A perfect show. Took my bro with me who had a passing familiarity with SW, he's totally converted.
Lots of brilliant moments but Ancestral really put everything in the dirt, damn did that track slay, and there perfect segue into Happy Returns was perfect, a tear inducing moment for sure.
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I love how during Ancestral there's almost no light show at all, and the focus is on the band. The dynamics in that tune make it great to witness live, and fun. Nick Beggs was goin' crazy.
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I watched the entire show, it was definitely enjoyable to watch and listen to. Not the 100% perfection SW likes to attain, but it's totally live and unedited and I dig that.
Vocally I thought he was ok, but I've heard him do better. Happy Returns is not my favorite song ever or something, but I thought that one was played particularly well this time. Dave Kilminster did a lot better on the Ancestral solo as opposed to Regret #9. Overall, impressed by the replacement musicians, must be a ridiculous amount of work to internalize everything. Dave really came very close tonally to everything on the album. I can see why Guthrie recommended him.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD-MwPmbljg&feature=youtu.be
The whole show.
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Sweet, gotta watch Ancestral again :caffeine:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD-MwPmbljg&feature=youtu.be
The whole show.
Already removed because of Yahoo complaint.
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How do you guys think you'd rank all the SW projects (SW, PT, Blackfield, Bass Communion etc)?
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For me it's probably PT > Blackfield > SW > No-Man > Bass Communion > IEM
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Difficult one!
SW > No-Man > Bass Communion > PT > IEM > Blackfield
But I guess it really depends on my mood.
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SW > PT > Blackfield > rest
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SW > PT > Blackfield > rest
This exactly.
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PT > SW > Bass Communion
Don't really care about the rest. PT and SW is kind of close, but I'm still pretty sure my heart belongs to PT. The rock band type of feel, the 'unit', is what sets the group apart from me. Love Barbieri's influence big time.
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SW > PT > Blackfield > rest
This exactly.
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PT>Blackfield=SW>No-Man
Haven't checked IEM and Bass Communion yet. The former's albums are quite hard to find.
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Haven't checked IEM and Bass Communion yet. The former's albums are quite hard to find.
IEM's complete discography was released on a box set back in 2010 and repressed again in 2014. Both pressings of which have sold out unless you want to fork a lot of $$$ for one in good condition off of eBay or something. The only other way you could get the IEM stuff is through the Burning Shed store where they have the whole discography up for digital download in MP3 or FLAC.
Burning Shed's got a couple of Bass Communion stuff as well on CD/vinyl including what he once claimed to be his all time favorite album he's ever done, Ghost On Magnetic Tape.
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For those who don't normally/aren't currently frequent(ing) the Polls/Survivors forum, the 2015 edition of the Steven Wilson Survivor will be starting a week today.
Home thread is here (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44000.0).
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Anyone know the best place to buy SW/PT albums, in particular the rare ones like Nil Recurring?
I noticed on SW's website the "USA/Canada" button links to: https://stevenwilsonmerch.com/, but the selection is terrible as I only see a few shirts and a 2 solo albums.
Meanwhile, https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/headphonedust/ seems to have a great selection but it seems to be shipping from overseas and is in pounds. Anyone from NA had any issue buying from this site? The albums will still play on our players, but I'm assuming the DVDs won't, correct?
Anyone bought anything from burning shed?
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I've bought plenty from burning shed. No issues for me.
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The FOABP 5.1 DVD I bought from Burning Shed was region free, so I would guess that the other DVDs are region free. I've been getting almost all my SW stuff (as well as other KScope/Peaceville related bands) on Burning Shed since 2010 and have been quite happy with buying stuff from there. It usually takes 7-10 days for me to receive stuff from there here in the US as they're UK based. The limited edition of HCE was actually cheaper on Burning Shed than it was on the American pre-ordering site, Newbury Comics when shipping was also taken into account. Occasionally, I'll buy off of SW's Headphone Dust store if it's a Bass Communion album as they're usually released on that store only or on Tonefloat Records for much more.
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On another message board (https://tlboard.com/topic/21431-steven-wilson-hand-cannot-erase/) someone stated that Happy Returns has a callback to Collapse the Light Into Earth, am I deaf or what because I've never heard that
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Anyone listened to Aviv Geffen's stuff? Anything worth listening to there?
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A very in depth 45 minute interview with Steven Wilson :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Oo9UVpHedI&feature=youtu.be
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On another message board (https://tlboard.com/topic/21431-steven-wilson-hand-cannot-erase/) someone stated that Happy Returns has a callback to Collapse the Light Into Earth, am I deaf or what because I've never heard that
yeah i don't hear it either. maybe he confused the recollection of "First Regret" during the intro?
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The show was amazing last night in Montreal. :hefdaddy
They have also played a new song...yes there's a new SW album coming later this year.
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Really? He said that? Is that the leftovers/tracks that didn't make it onto HCE, that I've heard talk of in a couple interviews?
Sorry to be difficult, but in the most recent interview (from Montreal) he seemed to suggest he had no idea when that material might see the light of day. Is he trying to surprise us? Regardless- I sure hope you're right!
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Really? He said that? Is that the leftovers/tracks that didn't make it onto HCE, that I've heard talk of in a couple interviews?
Sorry to be difficult, but in the most recent interview (from Montreal) he seemed to suggest he had no idea when that material might see the light of day. Is he trying to surprise us? Regardless- I sure hope you're right!
I think he said that the new songs just didn't fit with the concept of HCE.
The new song that they have played last night was really really good, it's a long hard-rocking and very catchy song (around 10 mins) with a beautiful instrumental interlude in the middle.
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I haven't given up on SW but I feel so uninterested in what he's currently doing, that he would probably have to change up his band (or get rid of them completely), do something completely different to peak my interest. Raven was fine, HCE was fine, but I haven't been overly impressed with SW since Grace. I feel like he has found a really boring comfort zone that does cater to himself and most of the prog fanbase, but just doesn't do it for me. I enjoyed HCE, but it's not even on the radar for my favorite albums of 2015, in fact it's miles off.
After Raven and HCE I feel like I probably won't pre-order another deluxe edition blindly, but I'll always be interested in a new album and check it out. Here's hoping that SW returns to PT.
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A very in depth 45 minute interview with Steven Wilson :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Oo9UVpHedI&feature=youtu.be
I loved it. So much was great about that interview and I agree with him on a lot of parts. One that sticks out right now that made me laugh that I wholeheartedly agree with is:
"One of the worst things you can ever do as a musician is ever listen to your fans what they want. Don't EEEEEVVVER listen to your fans. Because everyone has an opinion." - Steven Wilson
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He is so right, and I think most knowledgeable SW fans would agree that he writes and records what he wants to, without any regard for what the fans want, which is what a true artist should do. It is so refreshing to have an artist like that nowadays, especially when he keeps making music this good. :tup :tup
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Zantera's loss is my huge gain. Steven Wilson's music has finally become accessible to me. And what wonderful music it is.
Saw him live for the first time earlier this year and can't wait for the two Albert Hall dates in September.
Hand. Cannot. Erase. is my favourite album in what feels like forever.
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The show was amazing last night in Montreal. :hefdaddy
They have also played a new song...yes there's a new SW album coming later this year.
He must mean the "mini album" or "EP" he talks about in that interview. I wouldn't be surprised if we see an EP of the leftover material written during HCE later this year.
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"No one makes videos like that anymore... except me"
Not sure if serious :rollin
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I could listen to Steven talk for hours :hearts:
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What a splendid interview that was! Thanks for linking.
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I haven't given up on SW but I feel so uninterested in what he's currently doing, that he would probably have to change up his band (or get rid of them completely), do something completely different to peak my interest. Raven was fine, HCE was fine, but I haven't been overly impressed with SW since Grace. I feel like he has found a really boring comfort zone that does cater to himself and most of the prog fanbase, but just doesn't do it for me. I enjoyed HCE, but it's not even on the radar for my favorite albums of 2015, in fact it's miles off.
After Raven and HCE I feel like I probably won't pre-order another deluxe edition blindly, but I'll always be interested in a new album and check it out. Here's hoping that SW returns to PT.
I completely agree. I listened to some PT the other night for the first time in a long time and it just clicked better. The solo stuff is definitely more ambitious and well executed but comes off as a little, I dunno, cold? I personally don't find a majority of it that interesting save for the entire first album and parts of HCE.
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I feel like he has found a really boring comfort zone that does cater to himself and most of the prog fanbase
I certainly won't argue that his new material might not be everyones cup of tea, and that he does cater to himself... But he really doesn't cater to the prog fanbase. Or anyone else. He has too much going on in his head to allow anything else thats relevant to anyone else to be a consideration for him. From what I've also gathered from interviews and such is that he's certainly not doing this because he's getting lazy or anything. If anything, this is his way of attaining exactly what he desires and what he finds interesting. SW does what SW wants and nothing else these days. He even said himself that his solo career is his main focus because he is 100% in control of the final material.
Sure, his latest offerings might not be up to the expectations of some, nor be interesting to some, but one thing about SW that excites me is he shows no sign of giving up, and he's always changing his headspace up due to life situations and new musical inspirations. I think Hand. Cannot. Erase is fantastic, but I'm looking forward to being blown away or even disappointed by whatever's next. As long as the dude keeps on crankin' out music, remixing albums, and staying relevant in the scene, I'm a happy guy.
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Got through most of the interview on my way home from work today and also really enjoy hearing him talk so looking forward to hearing the rest of it! I can see he is coming back to Copenhagen on the second leg of the tour so hopes he also makes a stop on mainland Denmark.
I never reported back after seeing him back in April but although the performance was stellar my experience was not because of changes made to the venue for the worse IMO which didn't happen to fit my needs and expectations (I wasn't able to move around and experiment since my wife was nice enough to come with me and she needed to sit, as I also prefer to when possible, but due to a physical issue in her case). I'll be better prepared next time.
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Yeah, I'm not sure how HCE is catering to a prog fanbase.
Anyway, looking forward to that interview later when I have time!
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Yeah, I'm not sure how HCE is catering to a prog fanbase.
Anyway, looking forward to that interview later when I have time!
Right! How about he's doing what he wants right now. That's how Steven has always struck me. He does what he wants.
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I don't think anyone has said otherwise.
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When some insinuate he's catering to the prog fanbase they are stating that. He caters to himself.
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Well, what I said in my original post was that he makes music that caters to himself and also happens to cater to the prog fanbase. :P There's no doubt he's making the music he wants to do, but he also hits that sweet spot where most of the prog community are also swooning over his albums, so I guess it's a pretty good outcome.
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Don't worry, I sense an avant-garde album soon. That's who he is.
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But what I'm saying is I don't consider this a "prog" album. It has its moments, but I'd say it's way less prog than the last two albums.
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Definitely - HCE is quite modern-sounding, with very little prog. Almost the opposite of what he did on The Raven... It surprises me me that some people think this is a carbon-copy, 70s rehash - they clearly haven't listened it enough. Or at all.
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On the whole "progressive" and "catering" thing:
This is kind of a duh, but his music (or anyone's music, for that matter) shouldn't be judged simply for how "prog" it is. At least, if people bat an eye at HCE just because it has a couple 4 minute songs, then that's their own problem.
I think most people like him for the emotional qualities tied to his music, and how interesting and "quality" his songwriting is in general. Not because it's proggy, he's just able to use it to amplify his songwriting. Like people have said, he is writing for himself and indulging in his own musical interests as a songwriter. He just happens to have progressive qualities when he writes, and if those qualities are less prominent to fit the themes of the music then so be it. Being prog for the sake of prog is.. not necessary if you aren't that kind of writer. Which SW isn't.
That all being said, HCE is definitely a "prog" album. At least, I don't see how it's not. But it isn't meant to "cater" to anyone in the first place.
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I fell asleep a little during the interview but enjoyed it overall. Loved what he had to say about the album, about isolation in the city, etc. Also interesting points about rock stars being gods in the past, compared to Ozzy Osbourne now :lol
Of course I adore him with all my heart, but he frequently comes across as a bit pretentious. "I genuinely don't understand why there aren't more people like me." Umm...
I also think he's a bit off the mark with what he says about other forms of art and interpretation. I'm actually surprised to hear him say stuff like that, since I think he's pretty into film. Film and literature often involve just as much interpretation as music. Maybe not the big blockbusters or things on the Orpah list, but then again, how much interpretation does your average pop song require? Or a song like... oh, I dunno, "Go to Hell" by Blackfield? (I know he didn't write it, but it's a project he's been highly involved in with an artist he's very close with) :lol
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He sure does love to mention over and over how an unnamed member of PT hates jazz, doesn't he? :lol :lol
Personally, as good as the band he has right now is, I'd love to see him start getting different players for every solo album. Would keep things ever-fresh. Granted, the players he has now are beyond great, and if he keeps it going with them on the next album, I'll be more than happy. :biggrin:
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I see what you're seeing, Kev. To me he hasn't hit saturation yet though, so I'm all for another album in this configuration.
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I feel like the jazz-argument gets weaker and weaker with every new album he releases. It was fine during Grace, that album has some jazzy moments, and I could even buy it for Raven, because Holy Drinker had some jazz-vibes going on, but there's nothing jazz about HCE, and if this is a direction he will continue in (though with some minor changes), the next one will probably be even further from jazz.
I didn't listen to the 45 minute interview yet, but from the posts above it sounds like he's basically going over the same topics he usually talks about. :P
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I'm pretty torn with HCE... I found Raven to be stunning, one of the most flawless albums I've ever known. I loved Grace, thought it had some blinding moments on it, and thought Insurgentes was excellent in parts. HCE has some fantastic songs on it too (Ancestral gives me full body goosebumps and Happy Returns actually made me cry the first time I heard it, Home Invasion is awesome, but I'm kinda netural about most of the other songs) but I'm not as keen on it as a whole. I don't really find the album is too heavy on emotional pull throughout for some reason, so it falls a bit flat. But the standout songs are really great so I would say I like it overall, I'd just place it last on my list of favourite SW records.
Hasn't stopped me from going to see him twice on the HCE tour though, or booking to see him both nights at the Royal Albert Hall later this year and another show in London next January... Seriously, all my disposable income seems to be going on Wilson at the minute!
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I definitely think HCE suffers from a lack of really good songs. Most of them are good, but they aren't great. I do have a certain appreciation for Routine, which in my opinion is a really lovely song and the heart and soul of the album. But otherwise I feel it's similar to The Incident, flows great as an album and enjoyable overall (with an interesting theme), but lacking those clear standouts. A song like Ancestral starts off really promising, but the second half is just another prog instrumental that doesn't really go anywhere unfortunately. Happy Returns is a good ballad, but it really pales in comparison to songs like The Raven That Refused to Sing, Deform to Form a Star, or even Insurgentes. Heck, you can even go back to the PT catalog and it pales compared to most of their piano ballads.
It's definitely not a bad album though, certainly enjoyable. It does feel like it could have been a PT album though. Honestly, I would be interested in seeing Richard/Gavin/Colin's take on this music, much rather than hearing his solo band doing their usual prog thing when the songs allow it. His weakest solo album, but I do feel like the direction could be promising. While HCE wasn't as good as I hoped for, it was a step in a new direction, and I think with another album, SW could find something even more special. (hopefully)
However I have noticed that he has changed a bit as a person, something noticeable in interviews and live shows, and I'm not sure if all of it is for the best. It's great that he's coming out of his shell, enjoying talking to the audience more, but it does feel a bit scripted. With some bands like Opeth, I have read about various live shows and the banter between songs, and a lot of it seems very spontaneous. You had to be there, and in the right moment something unique was said. Reading about SW concerts, he has pretty much said the same things on all shows, with maybe a few very minor differences. I also don't like it when he bashes PT. Even if he feels the way he does, it does feel like a stab in the heart, being a PT/SW fan, to hear him say all the negative stuff about his former band. Fine if you prefer doing your solo thing, but there's no need to throw those jabs at PT.
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I don't understand why Wilson always tries to pass off "prog" as "jazz". Does he really hate the p-word that much? His albums are prog. GFD is prog, not jazz. If you showed it to a prog fan they'd be like "that's prog" and if you showed it to a jazz fan they'd say "that's prog".
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Happy Returns is a good ballad, but it really pales in comparison to songs like The Raven That Refused to Sing, Deform to Form a Star, or even Insurgentes. Heck, you can even go back to the PT catalog and it pales compared to most of their piano ballads.
I may be in minority, but for me Happy Returns is better than all those songs, and also my favourite on HCE.
And I like Raven (the album) more than HCE, so it's not like I'm overly biased on that matter.
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I don't understand why Wilson always tries to pass off "prog" as "jazz". Does he really hate the p-word that much? His albums are prog. GFD is prog, not jazz. If you showed it to a prog fan they'd be like "that's prog" and if you showed it to a jazz fan they'd say "that's prog".
For some reason I think attaching "jazz" to it makes it sound like it's something more than it is. After all, SW has been making progressive rock since the 90s, adding "jazz" to GfD makes it stand out, on paper at least.
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I don't understand why Wilson always tries to pass off "prog" as "jazz". Does he really hate the p-word that much? His albums are prog. GFD is prog, not jazz. If you showed it to a prog fan they'd be like "that's prog" and if you showed it to a jazz fan they'd say "that's prog".
That's not what he is doing. He never says his music is straight jazz, but at times, there are elements reminiscent of jazz - his keyboard player after all used to work with Miles Davis - and I think his point is that those are elements in his music that he probably couldn't have done with PT. I don't think he's ever denied that his solo work is prog.
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I think you missing a word Skeever. He's always said influenced. It doesn't mean straight up jazz. He'said always wore prog on his sleeve with many other styles.
Hell, 80's synth pop being another he's talked about of late.
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I can't blame him for staying away from the p-word as far as possible. That genre overall has vultures circling over it, it's stagnant and repetitive.
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I have been following the guy for about 15 years, and he always has avoided the p-word. This is really nothing new, but emphasizing "jazz" is just the newest way he seems to creatively find other words to call his prog rock. The fact is Raven and GfD were albums where he maybe increased the 70s prog influences by 100% and the jazz influences by 5%, but reading interviews with the man you would get the impression he feels like he's made a jazz album.
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Durring the GfD promotion he talked about the jazz influence for all his interviews and it was a big reason he asked Adam Holman to play on his albums with his jazz background.
Even though Adam did not play on GfD, he was asked to join specifically because of Steven's leaning to a jazzier side.
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He never said he made a jazz album, he's just more jazz influence, which is why he hired a guy who played with Miles.
However I have noticed that he has changed a bit as a person, something noticeable in interviews and live shows, and I'm not sure if all of it is for the best. It's great that he's coming out of his shell, enjoying talking to the audience more, but it does feel a bit scripted. With some bands like Opeth, I have read about various live shows and the banter between songs, and a lot of it seems very spontaneous. You had to be there, and in the right moment something unique was said. Reading about SW concerts, he has pretty much said the same things on all shows, with maybe a few very minor differences. I also don't like it when he bashes PT. Even if he feels the way he does, it does feel like a stab in the heart, being a PT/SW fan, to hear him say all the negative stuff about his former band. Fine if you prefer doing your solo thing, but there's no need to throw those jabs at PT.
I agree with the "scripted" thing... but perhaps it's because he's sort of socially awkward and doesn't want to sound stupid. I dunno, just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Also, when we come up with something we really like as part of he "narrative" of who we are, we tend to stick with it and keep telling the same story. There's my psych/counseling background input for the day ;)
As for your thoughts on him "bashing" PT, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. In this interview he goes into some clear pros/cons of being in a "democratic" band, and just says it's not for him (and that all of the members had other stuff they wanted to do). You've been very vocal on here about your preference for PT's material over his solo stuff- maybe that has something to do with it? Because although it sucks to think PT won't really be an "item" again, there was nothing he said in this interview (or any that I can remember) that I found out of line or bashing. He's just being honest about where things are at.
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Exactly, Jackie.
I think Zantera likes to fabricate these things in his head, since he's as bad now at bashing SW as I was with DT back in the mid 00s. :lol :facepalm: I can recognize the symptoms.
SW clearly likes being in charge and free to let his creativity run wild without constraints, and PT had reached a pointed where that was no longer possible, so he has opted to go on his own as a solo artist so can he do it.
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Was PT more of a complete and equal band over their last few albums or was it still Steven Wilson with a consistent group of regulars? I still get the feeling that Wilson still wrote and came up with a majority of the music but left it up the rest of the band to fill in the gaps. It seems like almost the same with the solo projects outside of the rotating members. I could be way off base though.
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I would say in the latter years of PT, Steven was totally in xharge. I think the guys wanted to be more involved and this lead Steven to do his solo music to have no backlash. He is in charge. A few years ago, I remember him being out voted on releasing Octane Twisted and that won't happen now.
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I suspect a big part of it, too, was SW knowing that certain members of the band didn't like this or that (not just jazz), and it kept him from bringing ideas he had to the table, because he knew they wouldn't go over well with some of the others, and that had to be frustrating for a guy as creative as him, to not have the free reign to express yourself within your own band, especially one you created. That could be why The Incident sounded like a mish-mash of nearly all of the styles PT had done previously; it sounds a bit like SW was writing to fit what he felt PT had become, instead of letting the writing flow naturally. He now has free reign to do whatever he wants.
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And in that recent interview he's said that. He likes the flexibility he didn't have in PT.
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As for your thoughts on him "bashing" PT, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. In this interview he goes into some clear pros/cons of being in a "democratic" band, and just says it's not for him (and that all of the members had other stuff they wanted to do). You've been very vocal on here about your preference for PT's material over his solo stuff- maybe that has something to do with it? Because although it sucks to think PT won't really be an "item" again, there was nothing he said in this interview (or any that I can remember) that I found out of line or bashing. He's just being honest about where things are at.
In this interview I fully agree with you, he talked about PT without being too negative. But in earlier interviews (not too long ago) he has said things like "Why would I go back to PT?" and talking about how much he is over some of that material. Heck, he even said something during a recent live show when they cranked out How is Your Life Today, how "I could never have played this with PT".
As for the preference PT vs SW, I honestly don't feel biased either way. GfD and Insurgentes are among the best albums SW has done as far as I'm concerned, and I would take both over most of the PT albums in a heart beat.
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As for Kev's comment, I have rated both HCE and Raven at around 7.5/8 out of 10 and said that I liked/enjoyed both albums, which apparently counts as "bad bashing".
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I didn't say your bashing was about those albums specifically. Your praise of him nowadays always comes with a "Yeah but...", and the implication that he now bashes PT, when he does no such thing, reminds me of how I used to pick nits about Dream Theater, until I reached that "Why do I keep ripping one of my favorite bands for piddly little things?" moment. It is much more fun being a fan when you enjoy things and focus on the positive. I realized that...eventually; hopefully you will someday, too. :biggrin:
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I understand that there's a certain style that Jimmy loves by SW. Steven changes so much stylistically that it will come back at some point. While us older farts love this direction better thanks his first solo album.
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To me, it's so hard to pick that one favorite style of SW's. Lightbulb Sun and Deadwing are my two favorite PT albums, and they are from different eras, and I'd put up there with them, The Raven, which isn't that much like either of those stylistically. He just does many styles very well. I like Insurgentes a ton, as well, but if I look solely at the PT/SW new albums since I became a fan around 2004, which totals seven (DW, Fear, The Incident, Insurgentes, Grace, Raven and Hand), Insurgentes is the one I have listened to by far the least. The Incident would probably be my 2nd least, which sounds odds to me at first since I was obsessed with it for much of 2009 and 2010, but I haven't listened to it that much the last few years, especially when compared to the other PT/SW albums.
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I'm with you Kev. It's what I love about SW. He never sits still while putting an effort to his craft like no other. It's inspiring.
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I don't know, I feel like being nuanced in your criticism and opinions is always good no matter what topic it is, and it adds some validity to your opinion. If you blindly buy everything and praise everything, to me that's hard to take seriously. But if you can point out what you don't like and what you do like, then hey, you do have some sort of quality control or preferences. I guess it depends on how you are as a person. When I was younger I definitely used to auto-buy albums before they even came out, and in retrospect I feel bad about that. Being a fan of something is great, but I can never get behind that blind fanboyism of always having to defend everything. Even the best musicians have slightly weaker moments, even if those can be good too. I just can't get behind that mentality of "everything is awesome", but that's me.
SW has definitely taken some jabs at PT, but I can also understand it partially, because he's still getting asked about a project that died 5 years ago, when all he wants to do is his solo thing. In this most recent review, he definitely had a more "mature" stance on it, unlike some earlier reviews where he has sounded frustrated and annoyed about the questions. It's hard to blame him, his last experiences of PT includes The Incident, an album he wasn't overly happy with (in retrospect), and a live album he didn't want to release, which got released without his consent. As a solo artist, he can do whatever he wants.
He was definitely more restricted in PT, but I think that can be both good and bad. He definitely has solo songs that would have benefited from being more restrained, perhaps a bit more polished and done the "PT way", but he also has songs like Raider II, that is just pure perfection, and would have been ruined if it had been given the same treatment. The guy has so many influences, so many things he wants to try, he will hit many of them out of the park, but also have some misses. It's only natural. :P
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Well his quality has been so good Jimmy at least in my eyes, it's hard to criticize. I can be so much more critical on other bands. I personally love the run Steven has been on.
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SW has definitely taken some jabs at PT, but I can also understand it partially, because he's still getting asked about a project that died 5 years ago, when all he wants to do is his solo thing.
I've honestly never heard him say anything I would interpret as a "jab" at PT.
In this most recent review, he definitely had a more "mature" stance on it, unlike some earlier reviews where he has sounded frustrated and annoyed about the questions. It's hard to blame him, his last experiences of PT includes The Incident, an album he wasn't overly happy with (in retrospect), and a live album he didn't want to release, which got released without his consent. As a solo artist, he can do whatever he wants.
I'd think it's more likely that he's simply frustrated of having to answer the same questions repeatedly for years when he's been pretty clear about his stance on it.
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Well his quality has been so good Jimmy at least in my eyes, it's hard to criticize. I can be so much more critical on other bands. I personally love the run Steven has been on.
This. It's not my fault that nearly everything he releases is great. :P And I am not one to shy away from criticizing a favorite (see: my dt.net/DTF activity for much of the 00s :lol), but in the case of SW, even the least best stuff he releases is usually pretty great. Since becoming a fan, if I include Blackfield and Storm Corrosion to the PT and SW solo mix, the 3rd and 4th Blackfield records were probably the only two I didn't gush over at some point, and it's not like I didn't like those; they were just solid, not noteworthy (SW's limited involvement in the 4th aside).
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I know a guy who knows Guthrie Govan, and apparently Wilson is a real boss to be around, hence why Wilson went on the tour without Marco or Govan who were already going to be busy touring with the Aristrocrats. From what I understand neither guy are upset about this, but understand that's just how it is. Wilson is very particular about his music, and needs to be the boss. Despite what some people think, there was likely some politics involved with PT, even if Wilson had major sway over most creative decisions. Wilson said as much on the tour when he brought out How is Your Life Today?
I for one am starting to see how unchecked Wilson is something to be a bit concerned about. Honestly, it wasn't HCE that made me realize this, but the HCE show. While I loved it, there were certain aspects that I found absolutely frustrating: the scripted and quite pretentious stage banter, the heavy amount of backtracking, and just how "on the rails" the entire night felt. Honestly, it is the same exact critique I have for post-Portnoy DT.
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Regarding How Is Your Life Today?, I could see some members having a problem with solo spots like that (since that song would mostly be Wilson singing and likely playing the piano himself), feeling that it takes away from the band experience, but that is kind of crazy to me. When you look at bands like Radiohead and Muse, it is always awesome when Yorke or Bellamy sit down at the piano to do a song by themselves.
As for being bossy, most musical geniuses, of which I am calling Wilson, tend to be pretty particular about how their music sounds and is presented, so he is no different than someone like Bowie or Peter Gabriel in that regard. Some musicians are meant to be in bands and be followers, and some are meant to be leaders who follow their own path, others be damned.
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Skeever, you must have witnessed Steven on an unfortunate off night. In Boston the banter was very natural I felt.
And yeah, I think he's similar to Frank Zappa (one of his heroes) in his control over the product.
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^True that. I doubt SW is as much of a control freak as FZ was, but I definitely wouldn't want to work for either of them :lol
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Any fans of Unreleased Electronic Music Vol. 1 here? I just realized "Observer Commercial 1998" is an enormous Massive Attack ripoff (of "Inertia Creeps")! I wonder if they specifically asked him to do that...
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Deform to Form a Star on a rainy, somewhat chilly day is so good. :coolio :hat
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Deform to Form a Star on a rainy, somewhat chilly day is so good. :coolio :hat
Totally agree. I feel the same with Drive Home when driving in the dark.
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Any fans of Unreleased Electronic Music Vol. 1 here? I just realized "Observer Commercial 1998" is an enormous Massive Attack ripoff (of "Inertia Creeps")! I wonder if they specifically asked him to do that...
Well, it's quite similar, but I don't think it really is somewhere near a ripoff. It's just an experiment Steven did, and lasts around a minute against 6 mins of the Mezzanine tune.
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Deform to Form a Star on a rainy, somewhat chilly day is so good. :coolio :hat
Totally agree. I feel the same with Drive Home when driving in the dark.
Drive Home is an awesome song! One of my favorite solos. :tup
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Deform to Form a Star on a rainy, somewhat chilly day is so good. :coolio :hat
Totally agree. I feel the same with Drive Home when driving in the dark.
Hell yeah! It's been rainy and unseasonably not warm lately here in St. Louis, so SW has been getting most of the love this week on my car stereo. :coolio
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Deform to Form a Star is great anytime, anywhere.
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What SW/PT albums have liner notes? So far the only ones I've seen are Up the Downstair (CD/DVD version) and Stars Die.
Also, I have purchased a number of 2 disc CD/DVDA 5.1 mix versions. Do the songs sound any better if playing the DVD versions on a TV with no 5.1 surround sound system? Or is the sound quality identical to the CDs? I do not own a 5.1 system.
Final question: Is 5.1 worth? Anyone have a good guide for how to create a good setup?
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Deform to Form a Star is great anytime, anywhere.
That is true, but certain weather can definitely enhance particular songs and/or artists, at least for me. SW is great rainy day music. :hat
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Also, I have purchased a number of 2 disc CD/DVDA 5.1 mix versions. Do the songs sound any better if playing the DVD versions on a TV with no 5.1 surround sound system? Or is the sound quality identical to the CDs? I do not own a 5.1 system.
Normally, Steven's mixes come in these ways: normal CD, and a DVD or BluRay which have both 2.0 (stereo) and 5.1 high definition mixes. Even if you don't have a surround setup, you can definitely enjoy the high-resolution stereo mix, which sounds better to a normal CD. You can even rip it to your computer if you're audiophile like me :lol .
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What SW/PT albums have liner notes? So far the only ones I've seen are Up the Downstair (CD/DVD version) and Stars Die.
If you mean commentary about the album and not just lyrics, it's just the remaster series.
Also note the first edition of Stars Die: The Delerium Years '91-'97 has significantly longer liner notes than the later editions, and also that the versions from 2005 onward use the remastered tracks, resulting in both discs being significantly louder. Gavin doesn't play drums on the extended "Synesthesia," though.
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Any fans of Unreleased Electronic Music Vol. 1 here? I just realized "Observer Commercial 1998" is an enormous Massive Attack ripoff (of "Inertia Creeps")! I wonder if they specifically asked him to do that...
I have been digging that album a lot! Not familiar with the Massive Attack song but will have to look it up...
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What SW/PT albums have liner notes? So far the only ones I've seen are Up the Downstair (CD/DVD version) and Stars Die.
If you mean commentary about the album and not just lyrics, it's just the remaster series.
Also note the first edition of Stars Die: The Delerium Years '91-'97 has significantly longer liner notes than the later editions, and also that the versions from 2005 onward use the remastered tracks, resulting in both discs being significantly louder. Gavin doesn't play drums on the extended "Synesthesia," though.
I believe the remaster of On The Sunday Of Life has liner notes as well. On the topic of the original release of Stars Die: The Delerium Years, I own the original and those "longer liner notes" are actually a 40 page history of the band from 1986-1997ish which was compiled of interviews of the band circa Lightbulb Sun era.
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What SW/PT albums have liner notes? So far the only ones I've seen are Up the Downstair (CD/DVD version) and Stars Die.
If you mean commentary about the album and not just lyrics, it's just the remaster series.
Also note the first edition of Stars Die: The Delerium Years '91-'97 has significantly longer liner notes than the later editions, and also that the versions from 2005 onward use the remastered tracks, resulting in both discs being significantly louder. Gavin doesn't play drums on the extended "Synesthesia," though.
I believe the remaster of On The Sunday Of Life has liner notes as well. On the topic of the original release of Stars Die: The Delerium Years, I own the original and those "longer liner notes" are actually a 40 page history of the band from 1986-1997ish which was compiled of interviews of the band circa Lightbulb Sun era.
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Where on earth can I purchase this and why is it not in my hands right now
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New SW double vinyl compilation (https://"https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/product/65/6810/") includes "Lazarus" re-recording and new version of "Transcience". Hell of a cash grab, imo.
What SW/PT albums have liner notes? So far the only ones I've seen are Up the Downstair (CD/DVD version) and Stars Die.
If you mean commentary about the album and not just lyrics, it's just the remaster series.
Also note the first edition of Stars Die: The Delerium Years '91-'97 has significantly longer liner notes than the later editions, and also that the versions from 2005 onward use the remastered tracks, resulting in both discs being significantly louder. Gavin doesn't play drums on the extended "Synesthesia," though.
I believe the remaster of On The Sunday Of Life has liner notes as well. On the topic of the original release of Stars Die: The Delerium Years, I own the original and those "longer liner notes" are actually a 40 page history of the band from 1986-1997ish which was compiled of interviews of the band circa Lightbulb Sun era.
It has extended notes for the individual songs, too, with the newer one mostly excising the band quotes.
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I can't quite comprehend the stupidity of this release.
"I hate compilations, but I figured if I had a cool idea, like a collection of stuff specifically tailored for easy listening, for the masses to get into, then I'd do it. What's more, is I want this to be available on the most limited format available, and only for sale at 1 location, which rapes non-European costumers on shipping."
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:rollin
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This feels like a "gotta pay the bills" release similar to when he dropped Catalogue / Preserve / Amass.
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Or maybe he's just trolling us.
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My friend said it best:
>Accessibility
>Vinyl only
pick one steven wilson
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I definitely have the funds available to get this Transcience vinyl but it's really a matter of me feeling like I should get it or not. It's be nice to expand my SW related vinyl collection but is it worth it for the new version of Lazarus alone? I'm sure most would say no but me personally IDK TBH.
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Cover Version is an amazing album. I was skeptical about it going in because of the covers but the covers are done well and they're not just of popular songs that I'd heard to death. Moment I Lost, Please Come Home, Four Trees Down and Well You're Wong (all the originals, actually) are all amazing songs that could be on any SW album.
One thing that came from my listening to this album was my curiosity of the band Momus, anyone here listen to them?
Also, I swear to god the first 10 seconds of this song were borrowed for part of a new SW song (from HCE... Routine?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft1Nc5eP5vg
Anyone who can point out what I'm thinking of wins a million
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Also, I've heard about this famed "Unreleased Electronic Music" release, but for whatever reason it doesn't show up on progarchives.com, is this a worthwhile release? What's the story behind its release?
Any other hidden SW releases I might not be aware of (ie, that don't show up on progarchives.com (please say yes (please)))?
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Also, I've heard about this famed "Unreleased Electronic Music" release, but for whatever reason it doesn't show up on progarchives.com, is this a worthwhile release? What's the story behind its release?
Any other hidden SW releases I might not be aware of (ie, that don't show up on progarchives.com (please say yes (please)))?
Err, UEM is on progarchives! It's in with all the singles.
I'm not sure why he didn't release it as a Bass Communion record, if that gives you any indication of what it's like.
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Any other hidden SW releases I might not be aware of (ie, that don't show up on progarchives.com (please say yes (please)))?
Besides his well-known projects (Blackfield, No-Man, Bass Communion, IEM, and Storm Corrosion), there are some obscure PT releases. And a few EPs of him, like the Tape Experiments 85-86. Other side projects are Altamont, Pride of Passion, and Karma (some of his first bands) and Continuum (dark ambient/drone). Check his rateyourmusic, and you'll find them all ;D
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I dearly love Steven and his work, but this feels so hipster just for the sake of it.
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Aren't all hipster things just for the sake of it?
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Meh, vinyl is too mainstream - he should release that compilation on cassette to be the ultimate hipster. :P
Also:
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Here's a premise. You don't have to buy it. I'm not.
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Here's a premise. You don't have to buy it. I'm not.
That's a concept quite a few DT fans seem to be missing when DT brings out those "special releases".
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Let bands release the world. If I have no need for it, someone else might. Such a hard concept.
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I don't see anything wrong with some of the posts poking fun at SW for releasing this, some of the posts were actually quite amusing to read, yet someone always needs to swoop in and defend SW. There's definitely a fun contradiction in someone releasing an accessible album for newcomers to hear their music, and then only releasing it on vinyl. No matter what band/artist does it. :P
Even though I consider myself a collector, I'm not very tempted to pick this up. I fell for Catalogue/Preserve/Amass and got that vinyl for around 40 dollars, but that was before he released Get All You Deserve, so at least it was "fresh" in the sense that it was 4 live songs. This one however doesn't really have a draw for me at least. Definitely feels like one of those things he just puts out in order to finance the next album/tour, and there's nothing wrong with that. It will sell out anyways, though I think more likely that collectors will buy this, than newcomers.
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Yeah, SW can release whatever he wants, but I just can't imagine a lot of people thinking "hey, I'll pick up this limited edition vinyl to get into Steven Wilson's music". :lol It would make a lot more sense to put together a CD/digital release for the newbies, because I imagine those who listen to music on vinyl generally have an attention span long enough to sit through the proggier songs.
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Yeah, SW can release whatever he wants, but I just find can't imagine a lot of people thinking "hey, I'll pick up this limited edition vinyl to get into Steven Wilson's music". :lol It would make a lot more sense to put together a CD/digital release for the newbies, because I imagine those who listen to music on vinyl generally have an attention span long enough to sit through the proggier songs.
Definitely. Judging by the song selection, it feels like he wants to reach out to people who might be more song-people than album-people, so he has chosen songs that are more simple and straight forward, and you "get" the songs right away, instead of something like Raider II which might need 5-10 listens before you have taken in everything. So songs like Lazarus, Deform to Form a Star or Insurgentes are songs people can randomly hear on a streaming site or shuffle function and instantly go "I want to hear more of this". But like you say, people who buy vinyl generally aren't doing so to listen to it once or twice and just check something out. In my experience, vinyl listeners are really dedicated and if you buy a vinyl, you're planning on playing it a lot. So this release would definitely have made more sense as a CD or digital release, at least IMO.
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Also, I swear to god the first 10 seconds of this song were borrowed for part of a new SW song (from HCE... Routine?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft1Nc5eP5vg
Anyone who can point out what I'm thinking of wins a million
I guess you're talking about the outro to Routine (from 7'25 onward). Both start with the same I-II7 in sixth position-VII harmonic sequence (Am-Bm7-GM7 in the Momus song and Em-F#m7-Dadd9 in Routine).
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My feeling have nothing to do with SW, I say this about every band that people complain about.
I've seen people complain about Rush releasing a live Blu Ray every tour. I tell them the same, don't buy it then. I had to uy shitty bootleg on VHS every tour. Now I get 5.1 all the time.
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Plus, think about the bands who never or rarely give us live videos (Radiohead, I am looking at you). It's a treat to get so many live releases from our favorites nowadays, and like you said, no one is forcing anyone to buy anything.
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I was just listening to Routine and this never came to mind before, but does anyone know what the choir boy singer is singing at ~2:36? At least it SOUNDS like lyrics of some sort
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Is there an easy to view website that comprehensively lists all SW projects and songs? It seems with every album there are countless b-sides, outtakes and unreleased songs that get released in various forms, and I like to track them down. I know there was that monstrous 500 page pdf document, that was a bit hard to use for me..
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Is there an easy to view website that comprehensively lists all SW projects and songs? It seems with every album there are countless b-sides, outtakes and unreleased songs that get released in various forms, and I like to track them down. I know there was that monstrous 500 page pdf document, that was a bit hard to use for me..
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/steven_wilson
From there you have a link to his other projects.
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Someone reeeeeeeally needs to make an SW wiki. Like the one for Nine Inch Nails.
(I'd gladly contribute to the content, but I have no means to host a wiki, nor the ability to handle the technical side.)
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Someone reeeeeeeally needs to make an SW wiki. Like the one for Nine Inch Nails.
(I'd gladly contribute to the content, but I have no means to host a wiki, nor the ability to handle the technical side.)
https://www.voyage-pt.de/swdisco.html
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Someone reeeeeeeally needs to make an SW wiki. Like the one for Nine Inch Nails.
(I'd gladly contribute to the content, but I have no means to host a wiki, nor the ability to handle the technical side.)
https://www.voyage-pt.de/swdisco.html
As mentioned in a post above mine, the discog PDF is unbearably difficult to use. Great if you have a catalog number to look up, but even Discogs has a better data display method for that. All its info needs to be distilled into a wiki so it's navigable – nobody wants to search a PDF for a song title and keep clicking through the results to get to the release they're looking for, at least not if a wiki is accessible instead. Not to mention it takes ages for updates with every new release, which would be easily addressed if it were editable like a wiki.
Basically, the PDF was awesome in 2002, but not so much now!
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Aren't all hipster things just for the sake of it?
Touché, good man.
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My feeling have nothing to do with SW, I say this about every band that people complain about.
I've seen people complain about Rush releasing a live Blu Ray every tour. I tell them the same, don't buy it then. I had to uy shitty bootleg on VHS every tour. Now I get 5.1 all the time.
People aren't complaining that it's "another SW release."
They are complaining that this release is allegedly more accessible music designed for new fans, but it is vinyl only and not easily available. Which seemingly contradicts its stated purpose for existence.
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I'm commenting on a whole that a few complain every time something is released. I was generalizing Hef. Always complaining.
Hey, I've been waiting for Lucas to release the original Star Wars Trilogy in Blu Ray 5.1 forever. Guess what, I didn't worry about it. Someday he will and I just won't but any other release like he does until it happens. No whining.
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Um, OK.
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My feeling have nothing to do with SW, I say this about every band that people complain about.
I've seen people complain about Rush releasing a live Blu Ray every tour. I tell them the same, don't buy it then. I had to uy shitty bootleg on VHS every tour. Now I get 5.1 all the time.
People aren't complaining that it's "another SW release."
They are complaining that this release is allegedly more accessible music designed for new fans, but it is vinyl only and not easily available. Which seemingly contradicts its stated purpose for existence.
That's their premise that it's to draw in new fans and if that was true Hef, why wouldn't he release it on all formats. I don't believe it's to draw in new people at all. So simply, don't buy it.
Is it hard to figure out SW is old school and loves these album releases for the purists? I can skip it. Other seem to lament over whatever weird releases he does. It's not the first and it's not the last.
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So, yesterday I was at the pharmacy at Walmart. The girl behind the counter (kinda cute) commented on my Raven Album Cover shirt. She asked what it was.
I then went into a deep explanation on who Steven Wilson was and what not.
And her eyes glazed over.
SHE IS NOT WORTHY
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She may go down to hell like The Holy Drinker.
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:lol
Next time you just gotta be like "Girl, you have to hear this album." Make sure she writes it down/looks it up, and leave it mysterious.
As for this new vinyl, I kinda think it's dumb but at least it comes with a download code. But yeah, nobody without a record player, unless they're already a SW collector, is going to buy that. I guess maybe a big SW fan could buy it and invite a friend who's never heard it over to listen on a record player. But I'm personally not crazy about the track list. Lots of songs I love, but I just don't see them going together well. *shrug*
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So, yesterday I was at the pharmacy at Walmart. The girl behind the counter (kinda cute) commented on my Raven Album Cover shirt. She asked what it was.
I then went into a deep explanation on who Steven Wilson was and what not.
And her eyes glazed over.
SHE IS NOT WORTHY
My mother in law saw the album cover for Raven on my 5.1 Blu Ray next to my TV and asked, "What's with the Halloween music"? :lol
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So, yesterday I was at the pharmacy at Walmart. The girl behind the counter (kinda cute) commented on my Raven Album Cover shirt. She asked what it was.
I then went into a deep explanation on who Steven Wilson was and what not.
And her eyes glazed over.
SHE IS NOT WORTHY
Why a deep explanation?
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Because, ya know, trains are deep, right?
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(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/881ae8a15e4c1be9ee2137df3c45212cb43fbdcc6cd3f48feea07cf3a06ed43b_zps2v7vhqld.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/881ae8a15e4c1be9ee2137df3c45212cb43fbdcc6cd3f48feea07cf3a06ed43b_zps2v7vhqld.jpg.html)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
It took me a second tho...
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Why the deep explaination? Because Prog.
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I don't know why it took so long, but I decided to delve into Steven Wilson this past week. I'm majorly bummed that I missed his stop in SF in June. :'( :'(
On the bright side, I headed over to my local Rasputin music and lo and behold, they had a single copy of the deluxe box set of Hand. Cannot. Erase. :caffeine:
I was actually about to buy the Blu-Ray when I noticed the cover art on the shelf behind her, so I stopped the cashier a moment before she swiped my card and verified that this was the same version that was sold out everywhere online. I've only glanced through the book, but I can't wait to delve into it this weekend. :metal
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That's awesome! It's a great piece of art.
Because, ya know, trains are deep, right?
:lol, duh. But yeah, that's probably why the girl's eyes glazed over. Somebody you don't know is not going to get super excited when you go into a long monologue on a band they've never heard of. Hence the mystery approach.
(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/881ae8a15e4c1be9ee2137df3c45212cb43fbdcc6cd3f48feea07cf3a06ed43b_zps2v7vhqld.jpg) (https://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/881ae8a15e4c1be9ee2137df3c45212cb43fbdcc6cd3f48feea07cf3a06ed43b_zps2v7vhqld.jpg.html)
:rollin
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On the bright side, I headed over to my local Rasputin music and lo and behold, they had a single copy of the deluxe box set of Hand. Cannot. Erase. :caffeine:
Love Rasputin! That and Amoeba are my favorite record stores in the Bay Area :metal
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I'm afraid I won't be able to attend the two shows next month at the Royal Albert Hall :-[. Should there be anyone who'd want the chance to purchase tickets for these gigs, please let me know.
There are both a seated and a standing ticket available for each of the nights. (Both seated tickets are located in the Circle section).
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I am going to see him in Rome in about a month oh god i'm just gonna :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Why the deep explaination? Because Prog.
And thus the glazed eyes.
I had a revelation recently; my wife, daughter and step daughter were all talking about the relative merits of Rally Green versus Julep Green for the downstairs bathroom, and I've come to the realization that that conversation... prog. Doesn't mean they are not worthy, doesn't mean I love them any less, but... prog.
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I'm afraid I won't be able to attend the two shows next month at the Royal Albert Hall :-[. Should there be anyone who'd want the chance to purchase tickets for these gigs, please let me know.
There are both a seated and a standing ticket available for each of the nights. (Both seated tickets are located in the Circle section).
Good gawd I wish. Why can't you go??
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Good gawd I wish. Why can't you go??
Unfortunately it's a financial matter. Tickets were bought right when they went on sale but I've had to wait a bit to book a hostel and transport, with some dumb luck mixed in between it's something that I just can't afford at the moment. :-[
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Some of you have asked about the 2016 shows, and if the set list will be the same as on the recent Hand. Cannot. Erase. tour, to which the answer is definitely not!
While there will still of course be a focus on the music and visuals of the recent album, the set is being considerably revamped, and we are learning songs going back to the 90’s that I have not played at my solo shows before, as well as music from a forthcoming EP of previously unreleased / unfinished tracks originating from the Hand. Cannot. Erase. sessions. Some of this new/old material will also feature in the forthcoming September dates, concluding with the Royal Albert Hall shows where we’ll be performing around 4 hours of repertoire across the two nights (with some friends helping out).
Ok, this makes me even more excited.
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So, those shows are gonna be filmed, right?
Someone say yes.
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SW is coming to Finland again in February, this time also to the city where I live! :metal Can't wait for the new EP and the show... :caffeine:
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So, those shows are gonna be filmed, right?
Someone say yes.
Don't think so, Steven said something about live DVDs being boring.
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On the bright side, I headed over to my local Rasputin music and lo and behold, they had a single copy of the deluxe box set of Hand. Cannot. Erase. :caffeine:
Love Rasputin! That and Amoeba are my favorite record stores in the Bay Area :metal
Rasputin FTW, all of DTF should be hella jelly they don't have access to such quality record stores.. :metal :metal :metal
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So, those shows are gonna be filmed, right?
Someone say yes.
Don't think so, Steven said something about live DVDs being boring.
He has certainly done them before.
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I would bet they are gonna be filmed.
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He certainly has done them before, he also stated in an interview earlier this summer that the royal albert hall shows would not be filmed. It's a shame though...
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More often than not, SW seems to take that "a live DVD can never capture the spirit of the actual show, so why bother" stance. On the one hand, it'd be great to get a live DVD from every tour, but on the flip side, it will make it more special when he does eventually release another.
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Got my fingers crossed for the OTSOL 25 Year Anniversary DVD set in two years.
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More often than not, SW seems to take that "a live DVD can never capture the spirit of the actual show, so why bother" stance. On the one hand, it'd be great to get a live DVD from every tour, but on the flip side, it will make it more special when he does eventually release another.
I would have wished a DVD for The Raven. For me, the live songs were so much better than the studio. Would be great if we get both Raven and HCE played entirely on this Albert Hall 2 night run.
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Some bands have a trend of putting out a new live dvd/cd from every tour, but in general it's really not a common thing. I can think of many bands that haven't put out a live release at all, or just a single one. I think SW has done a pretty good job at it through his career, we have several from PT, we have gotten live albums by both No-Man and Blackfield, and we have Get All You Deserve as well as Catalogue/Preserve/Amass. Plus the live stuff on the Drive Home EP. He probably won't drop another live release until after the next studio album or so, and that's pretty much the frequency you could expect I think.
No matter how good the band/artist is, I don't think there's ever a need for a live album every tour.
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Agreed.
Rush did one for every tour this century, but to me, that was making up for the fact that they only had three concert videos for their first 16 albums (none of which were whole shows, and two of which were only about an hour long), so I doubt anyone had a problem with that, especially since the set lists were usually radically different from tour to tour following the R30 tour (outside of the handful or so of usual suspects).
As for SW and PT, I guess I tend to be in the minority of people who think his live stuff, while good, rarely approaches the awesomeness of his studio recordings. That's not to say I wouldn't have loved a DVD from The Raven tour (since that was like a perfect set list).
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I have always felt like a new live release is justified when the artist has put out enough new albums that they can do pretty much an entire different setlist for the new release compared to the previous one. It doesn't have to be 100% different, but if you drop a new live release with every tour, it's basically the same rehashed songs with some new ones. I think every 3 albums or so is a good mark for a new live release. Then you have mostly new stuff but can also throw in some of the older ones.
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Well, we did get the Drive Home EP, and the stream of the LA show is still floating on the Internet, so that's better than nothing. Who knows, maybe Steven will change his mind and put together a full-length official DVD at some point?
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I only just recently picked up HCE (after getting a streaming press link before it came out) so I'm only just now getting the chance to truly sink my teeth into it.
It's just freakin amazing. I'm just on "freakin amazing" overload lately. Just ***SO*** much good music coming out right now.
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Just ***SO*** much good music coming out right now.
Absolutely this.
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Just ***SO*** much good music coming out right now.
Like what? I'm curious what amazing new music you've been listening to recently.
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I can't speak for him, but I agree with his sentiments:
Riverside, The Dear Hunter, Ghost, Amorphis, Iron Maiden, and Unified Past all in the last week or two.
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Spock's Beard too. There are some more big albums in the next month too. Scale the Summit, Stratovarius, and Subsignal just to cover the S bands
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David Maxim Micic released the best EPs of the year just a few months ago. It's been a fantastic year for music.
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Just ***SO*** much good music coming out right now.
Like what? I'm curious what amazing new music you've been listening to recently.
New Riverside, new Steven Wilson, new Iron Maiden, new Spock's Beard...and that's just in my latest haul.
In reflecting over the last year, I'm reminded how many bands are releasing stuff at the absolute peak of their craft. The new Between the Buried and Me and Haken releases leap immediately to mind.
Just got turned on to a new band called The Great Discord that's totally blowing my doors off. Native Construct is another brand new amazing band that I can't get enough of.
All of the above (with the exception of Haken) are things I've picked up just in the last couple of months. I still can't digest it all. That's *A LOT* of new music to take in in such a short time.
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It's a wonderful time to be alive :heart
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Looking forward to the new Redemption, Haken and of course DT. I am hopeful that the new DT will be a totally different style than the self titled cd.
Just bought Steven Wilsons Grace for the Drowning and am really enjoying most of the cd. Steven and his band have a knack for setting the mood in whatever style they play. I am going to try Insurgentes next.
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Steven Wilson September 2015 Tour Rehearsals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhI0ZNBXacc) (setlist spoilers)
Hopefully they'll play all those PT songs in February! :caffeine:
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I was tempted to watch the whole thing including the spoilers, but after Steven said 'rehearsing two hours of new repertoire' I closed the video. I NEED TICKETS
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Seriously considering a 4+ hour solo drive to Toulouse next Friday to see the show. Watching Wilson is the most important music related goal I have for the foreseeable future and I just can't keep missing opportunities.
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Steven Wilson September 2015 Tour Rehearsals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhI0ZNBXacc) (setlist spoilers)
Hopefully they'll play all those PT songs in February! :caffeine:
And he's wearing a Coil shirt, no less!
It'll be a damn shame if the RAH gigs don't get released as, at least, audio CDs.
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Seriously considering a 4+ hour solo drive to Toulouse next Friday to see the show. Watching Wilson is the most important music related goal I have for the foreseeable future and I just can't keep missing opportunities.
Totally worth 8hrs of driving IMO. But I've also traveled a lot to see him.
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Tour starts pretty much now, ignite anti-spoiler mode for the following week.
Although I've been spoiled some songs and expect some obvious tracks, I feel ok since there's 4 hours of material, and I really don't know what they'll play.
EXCITED
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Seriously considering a 4+ hour solo drive to Toulouse next Friday to see the show. Watching Wilson is the most important music related goal I have for the foreseeable future and I just can't keep missing opportunities.
Totally worth 8hrs of driving IMO. But I've also traveled a lot to see him.
Yeah, I think 10 hours would probably be my limit for SW, if everything else allowed. There're only a couple bands/artists that I can say that for.
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What's the best Steven Wilson album to get? I'm currently listening to... The Raven that Refused to Sing, its quite nice. It sounds like Porcupine Tree to me, but that being said I never got hardout into them like most people here.
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I'd start either go in chronological or reverse-chronological order, with an edge to Hand. Cannot. Erase., since it's newer and more indicative of where he's at right now.
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Depends on your tastes. Dark and experimental, with some shoegaze and drone: Insurgentes. Jazzy, proggy like King Crimson, yet eclectic: Grace for Drowning. 70s prog tribute: The Raven... Modern approach, with come electronic and lots of feels, Hand. Cannot. Erase.
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alright so according to your post I should be going
Grace
Insurgentes
Raven
Hand lots of feels hand raise
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Pretty much ;D
Btw, EP with songs that didn't fit in HCE kind of confirmed to be released (https://www.prog-sphere.com/interviews/steven-wilson-uncompromised-creativity/) earlier next year. Plus some extra details on other stuff.
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What the fuck? Has it seriously been two years since HCE released? Jesus. Fucking. Christ. (follow up album?) I cannot believe that...I feel like it was released at most last year sometime, if that...wow. That is baffling. I dunno why these two years flew by for me but they did. Immensely. :eek :o
And AWWWWWESOOOOOOOME news about the EP. Some of my favorite songs of his, whether by PT or solo (a lot, actually) are from b-sides, songs that didn't make the cut, etc. Fantastic news, I can't wait to hear what's on it. Only reason I don't consider PT's The Incident to be a complete shithole is because I really like the songs on the second disc (for the most part).
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Huh? It was released earlier this year. Or did you mean to say Raven?
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I think what he means is that Steven said in the interview that 'it's been two years since I finished the writing for HCE' (second-to-last paragraph).
That really amazes me as well. It probably took a long time to record then!
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I'm surprised to see no one commenting on these most recent SW shows. I won't spoil anything, but we really should. Interesting set lists- wish I was somewhere in Europe right about now.
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I think this shows how disconnected I've been till recently. :rollin :rollin Wow. Yeah I read that wrong, but also could totally believe that two years passed. Fuuuuck me. :millahhhh :laugh:
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Oh yeah the new setlists indeed, I must get to see him this time, can't miss him times in a row, it's fucking ridiculous!! But yeah, he's pulled out some really neat songs.
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It's good to see he's playing so many PT songs on his current solo tour, although that gives less room for songs from his solo albums. I assume My Book of Regrets is the new song as yet unreleased?
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It's good to see he's playing so many PT songs on his current solo tour, although that gives less room for songs from his solo albums. I assume My Book of Regrets is the new song as yet unreleased?
He's played most of the solo songs to death after the last two tours. I suppose there are Insurgentes songs and leftovers that could be thrown in, though. And "Cut Ribbon."
"My Book of Regrets" is formerly Song X from previous setlists, refined and finished. The poppy one, I guess – waiting for the EP to hear it, myself.
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When is he ever gonna bring out Salvaging? Probably the best one from Insurgentes and a top5 song if you only count his solo songs.
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I don't quite rank Salvaging that high, but it is still pretty awesome, and I'd love to see him play it.
I'm just happy I got to see him on that last tour. While the current tour would certainly melt my face off :lol, I am thrilled I got to see all of the Raven and most of the GfD material played in one show. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I know we're at the end of the day, but it's 4 years since Grace for Drowning was released today.
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I was at a parade today (I'm in a marching band) and they had Trains blasting on the loud speaker at the end of the parade before step-off.
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Nice! Funny you mention hearing that outside of the norm; i rewatched the movie 4 Brothers today and realized that, for an extremely brief moment, they had Shallow playing when the brothers meet at a bar towards the beginning-middle of the movie. I was stunned because first off, the bar does NOT look like a place that would have that playing, but also the movie itself is just a super random film to have PT featured. :lol
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I know we're at the end of the day, but it's 4 years since Grace for Drowning was released today.
Wow that's awesome. Probably not his best but still SW's most intriguing, interesting, and ambitious album imo
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While I love The Raven a little bit more, I'd have no problem with anyone saying Grace... is his best solo album. In fact, all four of his solo albums are so good, I can see a good argument for any of them being the best (even though I rate Insurgentes quite a bit lower than the other three; still like it a ton, though).
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I love HCE a lot, and Raven to me is still his most cohesive, complete work and truly one of the only concept albums I can sit through entirely and not notice that I went through an album. But Grace is still my absolute favorite because of both the cohesiveness and the fact that I can pick out any song on the album and listen to it alone and still love it just as much as listening to the album or picking any other random song. It's also got one of the best bonus discs of all the timelines. Insurgents was a fantastic start and I love all the songs, it's just that I love the songs on Grace a bit more. With the glaring, massive exception of Veneno, which will make me cry every motherfucking time.
I dunno why the simplicity of The Map hits me so hard, but I love that song so fucking much. It's one of the most relaxing yet eerie, dreary songs there is, I think. I'm prone to those types of instrumentals though (and instrumentals in general, if done the way I like 'em).
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I'd rank them GFD > Insurgentes > Raven > HCE probably. Still impressive that he cranks out a new album every other year (considering how much he puts into each album).
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I find it very hard to rank SW's solo albums. They're all fantastic. Probably I'd go with HCE > Raven > GfD > Insurgentes, but the former three are really almost equally amazing.
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HCE > Raven > GfD > Insurgentes
This.
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Raven
HCE
GfD
Insurgentes
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Holy shit, this forum ranks things more often than Billboard.
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Though they are all pretty close, I definitely have a preference between them:
Raven > HCE > GFD > Ins. > Billboard
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I was at a parade today (I'm in a marching band) and they had Trains blasting on the loud speaker at the end of the parade before step-off.
Nice! I went to see my friend's band live a few years ago at an outdoors event and the first disc of The Incident was being played on the PA system while they were preparing for the soundcheck. I also noticed that Deadwing (the whole album) was on the jukebox in a bar a week ago.
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The much more difficult question is picking your 10 favorite songs from Steven Wilson's solo career thus far... :biggrin:
The Raven That Refused to Sing
The Watchmaker
Routine
Deform to Form a Star
Raider II
Driver Home
Remainder the Black Dog
Salvaging
The Pin Drop
The Holy Drinker
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Fucking DTF. Shit, man. :rollin :rollin :lol :corn :metal
...
:millahhhh
I'd like to express my love for Home In Negative. That is one of my favorites as well, again from a bonus disc. I dunno what it is about Wilson's bonus discs, but very often some of my favorites are not on the actual album but on either a b-side/bonus/demo releases. The last line of 'Summer me all Winter' gives me the bumps of geese every damn time. Such beautiful! So harmony!
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Top 10 solo songs?
I'd probably go with:
Harmony Korine
Salvaging
Get All You Deserve
Deform to Form a Star
Raider II
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
Home in Negative
The Watchmaker
The Raven That Refused to Sing
Routine
(No particular order)
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Rankings? I'm in.
Raven > Grace = HCE > Insurgentes
Top 10 songs:
1. Happy Returns
2. Raider II
3. The Watchmaker
4. Drive Home
5. Ancestral
6. The Raven that Refused to Sing
7. Deform to Form a Star
8. Postcard
9. Routine
10. Hand Cannot Erase
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Oh man, this is going to be hard...
1. Luminol
2. Remainder the black dog
3. Raider II
4. Routine
5. The Raven that refused to sing
6. The Watchmaker
7. Perfect life
8. Ancestral
9. Happy returns
10. Belle de jour
The first two can switch places every now and then, and the 6-10 might switch around. Also worth mentioning: Like dust I have cleared from my eye, 3 years older, Index, The Holy drinker, Track one and maybe Insurgentes, because it would be fair to choose at least one song from the debut.
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Count me in too… :biggrin:
Grace > HCE > Raven > Insurgentes
Raider II
Routine
Happy Returns
The Raven That Refused To Sing
Postcard
The Pin Drop
Deform To Form A Star
Index
Harmony Korine
First Regret
(In no particular order)
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GFD > HCE > Insurgentes >>> Raven
Will do songs later.
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Top ten songs is almost impossible. I got my top 2 and then the second guessing begun.
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1. Raider II
2. Insurgentes
3. Harmony Korine
4. Salvaging
5. The Raven that Refused to Sing
6. Ancestral
7. Remainder the Black Dog
8. Luminol
9. Drive Home
10. Happy Returns
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No order
Deform to Form a Star
Postcard
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye (Favorite)
Salvaging
The Raven That Refused to Sing
3 Years Older
Perfect Life
Routine
Ancestral
Happy Returns
Album Rankings
1. Grace for Drowning
2. Hand. Cannot. Erase.
3. Insurgentes
4. The Raven That Refused to Sing
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I had a much-needed cry to HCE tonight. That is all.
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I mean this as a compliment (because it's my all time favorite PT song)... but doesn't the over all theme and feel of this album remind you of a 65 minute version of Heartattack in a Layby?
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So the setlist for the first RAH show is up and man what a show it must have been. I really hope someone from DTF was there and can give their thoughts on the show. I also really wish these two nights were being filmed.
I read what someone wrote earlier about SW feeling that it was difficult
to capture the energy of the show (or something to that affect) but tbh, although Raven sucked me in pretty much instantly with just a listen, i had a more difficult time getting into his other solo stuff and an even harder time getting hooked on PT (probably didn't help that the very first album I bought was OTSOL... Which I really like parts of today btw). What really hooked me and drew me in was when I started buying the various concert films and watching the live performances.
I think I saw The Watch Maker vid first then I bought the GAYD BD and loved it, then started watching PT vids on YouTube that were recommended here (Anesthitize was the first) and Them bought up all the live BD/DVDs i could get and have been hooked ever since.
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That is a lovely setlist.
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It was a very good show.
Loved the new song (a holdover from the 'Hand. Cannot. Erase.' sessions); had leaky eyes during Routine. Ninet forgot a bucketload of words but what a voice - and that scream was blood curdling.
Hardcore Wilson fans will likely disagree but Drag Ropes felt superfluous to me. Nice to see Akerfeldt although surprised he only sang (does he play guitar on the Storm Corrosion album? I'm sure he does).
There was an artist on stage before the show began, silently sketching. She eventually packed up after the intro tape began to roll. Couldn't quite see who it was but it turned out to be the actress in the 'Hand. Cannot. Erase.' video production. Along with Lasse Hoile, the lady who does the animations and Ninet, she was introduced at the end of the show.
Overall, I preferred the production at the Manchester show several months ago but like I said, a very good show. Still astonished it wasn't filmed (although I knew it wouldn't be beforehand): surely one of the shows from this tour must be? The video presentation is just marvellous.
Looking forward to tonight's show.
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Thanks, glad you enjoyed the show :-). Too bad she didn't remember all the words though.... Maybe that's (one of the reasons) why he didn't want to film it; The possibility/likelyhood of mistakes in such a big one off undertaking that are most likely forgiven by the live audience but might be more scrutinized on a video release.
Wish I could have been there... Looking forward to hearing about tonight's show!
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Wow, Drag ropes! I didn't see that coming. :metal
Why is Steven Wilson avoiding performing Transcience at all costs?
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I'm also disappointed by the lack of Transcience. That song is great!
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Wow, Drag ropes! I didn't see that coming. :metal
Yeah that's awesome. I'd love to see all of this on a Lasse Hoile blu-ray. Wonder what he'll do tonight...
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Nice setlist. The one tonight is the exciting one though, I think there will be some really great picks in it. If I could only attend one show, it would have been the one tonight, but sadly I will have to read about it on setlist.fm.
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I'd love a Blu-Ray or DVD of this!
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Drag Ropes had reportedly been rehearsed in the soundcheck at another show, so its inclusion is not a surprise to me. Anyway, I can't wait to see which songs get played tonight!
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Wow, sounds like an awesome show!
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I'm also disappointed by the lack of Transcience. That song is great!
Came in here to post the same response. It's my second favorite from the album.
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I'm also disappointed by the lack of Transcience. That song is great!
Came in here to post the same response. It's my second favorite from the album.
Great song. This song and many others is why I love SW. He creates a mood with his music.
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Yeah, I don't understand why he wouldn't play Transience as well. Would love to hear/see that live.
I was trying to see if anyone had posted anything from last nights show on youtube... although didn't have high hopes since most people tend to respect it if he ask not to record (which I'm not sure if he did at last nights show) but I did stumble across this which I hadn't seen before so I got my new SW live material fix partially filled (it's a sanctioned drum cam video of Home Invasion from a sound check in Luxembourg).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4WPm3ZVaIQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4WPm3ZVaIQ)
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I still don't understand the logic of not playing Transience. It's like 3 mins long at the most (and a great song)!!
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Yeah, I don't understand why he wouldn't play Transience as well. Would love to hear/see that live.
I was trying to see if anyone had posted anything from last nights show on youtube... although didn't have high hopes since most people tend to respect it if he ask not to record (which I'm not sure if he did at last nights show) but I did stumble across this which I hadn't seen before so I got my new SW live material fix partially filled (it's a sanctioned drum cam video of Home Invasion from a sound check in Luxembourg).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4WPm3ZVaIQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4WPm3ZVaIQ)
Thanks for posting that! I love this song, love the album and would really dig seeing him live some day.
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Second night setlist:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2015/royal-albert-hall-london-england-73f4da81.html
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Nice!
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That playlist is incredible.
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Holy fuck... I've had the pleasure of seeing him play the albums live the few times I've seen him but it's setlists like this that give me a jealousy boner. ARGH! I want to go to another show so bad but...it's just possible for quite some time... :'(
The only one I'd replace is Lazarus. That is one of the few songs by the man that I'm just not that into. It's more than likely got to do with the fact that an ex of mine played it CONSTANTLY whenever I attempted to get her into my music and is literally the only motherfucking song that she liked. :lol As if to say "YEAH! I LIKE YOUR MUSIC! LEMME PLAY THIS ONE SONG OVER AND OVER!". Good for you, woman. Good. For. You. Shiiiiiieet. I wasn't into the song that much already, but that put it on my do-not-play list...and other than maybe two other songs, is the only PT/solo songs that I haven't liked all that much. The other I can think right off the top of my head is YOUR UNPLEASANT FAMILY. Hoooollly shit. It's...funny because it's one of the only songs I'd call from Wilson that's...bad. Okay, I digress. Not the time/place. Oopsie!
That said...man, the next chance I get that I possibly can, I am going to a show and dollars to doughnuts the setlist will pale in comparison to the ones you guys have posted because my luck is just that good.
Also count me in the group that is disappointed that he hasn't been playing Transience. It's tied as my favorite with Routine off the new album and it's so damn beautiful. I mean...not that it'd affect me right now anyway, but it'd be nice to know that he is playing it for whenever I do see him live again.
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Killer set lists. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Bummer there won't be a live DVD from those shows. :(
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Shesmovedon would be so great... Ahh!!!
Great setlists
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Duuude.
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SW and Gavin sharing the stage again? Nice! :tup
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Another very entertaining show although I admit I didn't know (although have previously heard at least once, I think) about 3/4 of the setlist.
I can tell you Routine was astonishingly good again and Ninet remembered all the words, too.
There was a printed request on both nights for people not to take pictures or videos but many people did and were seemingly discreet about it. No-one was forced to watch either show through someone else's mobile device which was, as I said previously, refreshing. As for me, I was in a box on both nights and did record some video last night. I don't know how the audio came out yet (and I admit to feeling a little ashamed for having taken it) but I'll let you all know. I got the whole of Routine, and I think the whole of the encore, too, with Gavin Harrison.
As a side note, Matt Berry was amazing! For those who don't know, he's a fairly well-known comedic actor in the UK. Turns out he's also released some wonderful music.
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Were the shows filmed professionally?
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As a side note, Matt Berry was amazing! For those who don't know, he's a fairly well-known comedic actor in the UK. Turns out he's also released some wonderful music.
Haha really? What'd he do? I did know he was a muso, but didn't think he would be the type to hang with Steven Wilson.
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Okay so Steven just posted some exciting news on Facebook.
"And so another leg of the Hand. Cannot. Erase. tour has come to an end, and although reasonably short (12 shows) there were some unforgettable evenings, concluding with 2 fantastic nights at one of the most special concert venues in the world, The Royal Albert Hall in London. A big thank you to everyone that came along to any of these shows. Special mention and praise has to be given to the 2 new guys joining myself, Nick, and Adam for their first European tour; Craig Blundell on drums, and Dave Kilminster on guitar, who not only had the daunting task of filling extremely large shoes, but had to learn over 4 hours of music in just over 4 months, which they then proceeded to play brilliantly and make their own. I’d also like to thank all my special guests at the 2 RAH shows for helping to make these shows such a memorable experience. My personal highlight (among many) would have to be the performances of Routine - relieved of vocal duties I was able to step back, and the combination of one of my favourite songs, the band’s stellar performance, Jess Cope's amazing animated video on the big screen, and Ninet Tayeb’s astounding vocal performance and charisma, all conspired to create a powerfully emotional moment that made me think maybe I did something pretty good with my life after all (-:
Next up for me is to assemble and record a mini album of previously unreleased material, mostly from the HCE writing sessions, including the fairly long piece My Book of Regrets that we played on the recent tour. This project will essentially be album "4 and a half", a companion to the main album, but also a stepping stone to the next album proper. I’m proud of the pieces on it, which are by no means “leftovers”, more like pieces that just didn’t fit in at the time, and subsequent reworking and additional composition has taken place since. This should be released in January, at which point we will be back on the road for another major touring period that will continue on and off until the Summer, and take in a lot of countries for the first time. I have also invited Ninet to join me and the band for this part of the tour, although exactly how many and which shows she will appear at will depend on her availability, as she has a very active career of her own - you can watch her new video here: https://youtu.be/k6qc9bX_7vQ
During this period we're also planing to shoot a live performance film. These days I’m not so enthusiastic about the standard filmed live concert format, so myself and Lasse have been looking at a way to do something really different and to perhaps push the envelope a bit with regard to what a live performance film can be.
But the bottom line is that there will be a visual live document of the HCE era, and hopefully a very special and unique one.
Photo credit - Miles Skarin - Crystal Spotlight"
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Alright, he knows just how awesome HCE is that it'd be crazy not to document the live shows somehow.
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Nice, I'm thinking of going to Manchester in January to watch him live (couldn't attend the concert in France two weeks ago) so I might get to watch some new stuff live. Hopefully it won't replace some of the PT songs, it'd be nice to get a varied show.
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at which point we will be back on the road for another major touring period that will continue on and off until the Summer, and take in a lot of countries for the first time.
I wish he would visit Russia, though I know it will probably never happen. Still, I can hope.
And nice to hear about the live performance filming, I'm certainly looking forward for this one.
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Okay so Steven just posted some exciting news on Facebook.
During this period we're also planing to shoot a live performance film. These days I’m not so enthusiastic about the standard filmed live concert format, so myself and Lasse have been looking at a way to do something really different and to perhaps push the envelope a bit with regard to what a live performance film can be.
But the bottom line is that there will be a visual live document of the HCE era, and hopefully a very special and unique one.
Photo credit - Miles Skarin - Crystal Spotlight"
I just hope he doesn't pull an Chaos in Motion...not so much about the quality but the format. You know, several live clips from different shows, some interviews in between...HCE deserves to be played completely (and documented).
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Awesome blossom!! Still looking forward to the new HCE unreleased session album very much so! But also really great to hear I'll get to see some of the tour myself since I won't be able to make it this time around. What a fuckin' badass and a hard as hell worker. He and Townsend are just nonstop amazingness.
Goo, there's no way that happens. Only Chaos In Motion can pull a Chaos In Motion. Such a horrible idea... :lol I get what they were going for but they didn't have to be so literal with the chaos. :P
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Awesome blossom!! Still looking forward to the new HCE unreleased session album very much so! But also really great to hear I'll get to see some of the tour myself since I won't be able to make it this time around. What a fuckin' badass and a hard as hell worker. He and Townsend are just nonstop amazingness.
Goo, there's no way that happens. Only Chaos In Motion can pull a Chaos In Motion. Such a horrible idea... :lol I get what they were going for but they didn't have to be so literal with the chaos. :P
LOL..I just meant the format: no complete show, just a compilation of live songs...I would be extremely disappointed if the HCE tour would be documented that way. HCE needs to be filmed completely (including Transience which I still dont understand the reason why it wasn't included in the RAH shows).
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Ahhh, gotcha. I think that's a long shot as well though, at least I too am hoping... Like he said in that announcement though, that's been done so many times before and is almost always received poorly and he wants to do something original and make it special, so I think we're safe.
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Good to see that there will be some type of live video from this tour. :coolio
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New EP, new DVD, Ninet possibly touring with the band... 2016 is going to be an awesome SW year! :caffeine:
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I personally felt that Arriving Somewhere accomplished this goal already.
I know not everyone likes the look of that film, but to me it is a MUCH more watchable end product than Anesthetize by miles and miles. The visual effects make the whole thing seem more like an actual art film or (dare I say) movie than just a bland visual representation of a concert.
I own dozens of concert videos, but Arriving Somewhere is the only one that I enjoy watching multiple times, and it is strictly for the visual aspect. I hope this new video does something similar.
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I personally felt that Arriving Somewhere accomplished this goal already.
I know not everyone likes the look of that film, but to me it is a MUCH more watchable end product than Anesthetize by miles and miles. The visual effects make the whole thing seem more like an actual art film or (dare I say) movie than just a bland visual representation of a concert.
I own dozens of concert videos, but Arriving Somewhere is the only one that I enjoy watching multiple times, and it is strictly for the visual aspect. I hope this new video does something similar.
I prefer the audio on Arriving Somewhere. It's a bit more raw and energetic than the overly produced audio in the Anesthetize live album. But I love the Anasthetize video. I can't stand the artsty feel of Arriving Somewhere.
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at which point we will be back on the road for another major touring period that will continue on and off until the Summer, and take in a lot of countries for the first time.
I wish he would visit Russia, though I know it will probably never happen. Still, I can hope.
And I just found out on his official site he's coming to Moscow next year February 15th and the tickets are already on sale! Wow, I'm so happy right now it's ridiculous.
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I bought my ticket for the January Hannover show this week. Can't wait :)
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As far as solo SW song rankings go:
1. The Watchmaker
2. Ascendant Here On...
3. Perfect Life
4. Significant Other
5. Ancestral
6. Luminol
7. Drive Home
8. 3 Years Older
9. The Holy Drinker
10. Harmony Korine
Notice how GFD is omitted completely? That's because nothing in the album is memorable. I've tried hard to enjoy the album as a whole and as a collection of songs, but I feel nothing for it. Sigh.
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No specific ranking other than being top10 songs from his solo career:
Raider II
Deform to Form a Star
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
Home in Negative
Salvaging
Harmony Korine
Get All You Deserve
The Raven That Refused to Sing
The Watchmaker
Routine
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Home in Negative
I didn't even know that song, since I don't own the BluRay version of GfD. Are the rest of SW's bonus tracks also this good?
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Home in Negative
I didn't even know that song, since I don't own the BluRay version of GfD. Are the rest of SW's bonus tracks also this good?
The bonus tracks on Insurgentes (there's 5 of them) are definitely great and worth checking out. The other ones from GfD are cool I guess, but Home in Negative is the one that stands out. I think Raven had a b-side? (not entirely sure) and I guess that's that. He also has that album called Cover Version which features 6 covers and 6 original songs, some of those are really neat as well.
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Great, thanks. I have heard Cover Version, though I don't own it yet. Great album.
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Alright, here's the b-side rundown.
Insurgentes:
Deluxe bonus disc (posted to Soundcloud as well)
- Port Rubicon
- Puncture Wound
- Collecting Space
- Insurgentes Mexico
- The 78
Film bonus music
- Desperation
- Veneno Para Las Hadas (Early Version)
- A Western Home
- Deadwing Theme
- Collecting Space (Demo)
- Insurgentes (Sweet Billy Pilgrim remix)
- Vapour Trail Lullaby (demo of what became Blackfield song "Lullaby")
Grace for Drowning:
Deluxe edition bonus disc (The Map)
- Home in Negative
- Fluid Tap
- The Map
- Raider Acceleration
- Black Dog Throwbacks
- Raider II (Demo)
Bluray Demos
- Sectarian
- Deform to Form a Star
- No Part of Me
- Remainder the Black Dog
- Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
- Cut Ribbon (app bonus/Soundcloud download)
Raven:
Demo CD deluxe edition bonus disc
- Clock Song
- plus the whole album in demo form
Bluray
- instrumental version
Drive Home single
- The Birthday Party
- Drive Home (Lounge Version)
- Raven (Orchestral Version)
- plus the live tracks
HCE:
Deluxe edition
- First Regret alt mix
- HCE radio
- Perfect Life (Grand Union mix)
- Routine (Ninet solo vocal version)
- Regret #9 alt take
- Happy Returns radio
- instrumental version of the album
- Key of Skeleton (Demo)
- Last Regret (Demo) plus the proper album in demos minus HI/R#9
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For what it's worth, my current top 10 SW solo songs:
1. Drive Home
2. Deform to Form a Star
3. Raider II
4. The Watchmaker
5. The 78
6. Regret #9
7. Luminol
8. Abandoner
9. Harmony Korine
10. The Raven That Refused to Sing
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Tickets bought for february, really interested in seeing him live!
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Video for Routine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh5mWzKlhQY
Wow.
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Finally! I keep hearing about how sad the video was and I was always curious.
Wow is right
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I can't handle all these feels :'(
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Well, hadn't seen that since the tour. Cried like a baby.
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Um...wow. So that was soul crushingly beautiful. Jesus fucking christ does that man know how to make tearing out someone's heart and grinding it away the most amazing thing ever. Definitely teared up a bit but I didn't actually shed one till that damn ending. I usually get choked up at the end of that song, it's gorgeous and a perfect ending. The first time I heard it whenever Tayeb seemingly ends it I was kinda like "aw damn"...and then Wilson and her come back with that ending and it's just like "Oh, your heart is in pieces? WELL WE'RE GONNA TURN IT TO DUST!"
Powerful, to say the absolute least.
On a lighter note, that animation and direction is really awesome and extremely well done. I like how she never actually cries but eyes always glazed over; then at the end you can see she's getting better. I half-expected a jump off the cliff at some point but I figured not given the story (at least for the isolated song). I love how every time a music video is made, it's apart of a story and the imagery and animation is always so perfect. Even though it's similar to others, the tone and movement is different enough and I can't see this type working with other songs; it shows how much detail and work goes into them. Truly, while I'm not putting other bands down for the 'usual' videos, that's still great and even needed at times (given that this takes something out of you, I'm sure both for the creators and viewers alike), it really is in a different league than other videos. You can't even call this a traditional music video, it's almost apples and oranges.
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Just.....wow.....
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Yeah hadn't seen that since the show. It was definitely just as powerful. My wife watched it and told me "damn you!"
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That was amazing.
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Yeah. It was gripping live.
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I absolutely would've been balling if I saw it live. :lol My emotions usually run pretty high at a concert, and for SW they're all over the place despite the fact that I expect a certain amount of melancholy. But seeing HCE live would just blow all that away and I'd be elated yet a scared little boy who is exposed to all the horrors of the world and WAAAAAHHH!
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Wow. Just as powerful as it was live.
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I absolutely would've been balling if I saw it live. :lol My emotions usually run pretty high at a concert, and for SW they're all over the place despite the fact that I expect a certain amount of melancholy. But seeing HCE live would just blow all that away and I'd be elated yet a scared little boy who is exposed to all the horrors of the world and WAAAAAHHH!
Yup. I cried like five times during that show.
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HCE was a mild disappointment for me, but Routine is definitely the big highlight, and the video is beautiful. It was definitely one of the most emotional moments of the show when he played it (the video really elevated it), apart from The Raven That Refused to Sing, which is just.. probably his best song.
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Good to know we're all crybabies when it comes to this video and not just me. I was really moved by it live and it was great too see it again, I've been waiting for it for quite a while now. It's just as powerful and moving as it was in concert.
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Video for Routine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh5mWzKlhQY
Wow.
Dear God.
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Video for Routine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh5mWzKlhQY
Wow.
Dear God.
That video in the background live was intense. So wonderful live.
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Jesus that was... powerful. In a way I'm glad I missed the chance to see him live because I would have broke down seeing that live. I can't imagine how amazing that would have been to see in that environment though.
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I still haven't seen this song live - hoping to see it next year - but damn, this video made me shed a tear or two. Powerful doesn't even describe it.
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I'm such a Steven Wilson fanboy. I've loved deeply everything he has done for the bast several years, and this video is no exception. I remember that watching it live was an extremely surreal experience, one which struck me emotionally big time.
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Jess Cope is the fucking shit. All of her videos have kicked serious ass.
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Wow... I'm not a fan of music videos in general, but this was fantastic. All the feels.
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The new video inspired me to give a belated review of HCE, and give props to Owl House and Jess Cope in my new Jammin Dude's Neighborhood episode...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RRHaBlsLkg
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New half-album in January!
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/new-steven-wilson-album-4-%c2%bd-coming-in-january-2016/
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https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/product/65/7069/
An interim release between Hand. Cannot. Erase. and his next album, Steven Wilson's 4 ½ comprises 6 tracks with a total running time of 37 minutes.
Four of the songs originated during the sessions for Hand. Cannot. Erase. and one from the recording sessions for The Raven That Refused To Sing. The final track is a new version of Don't Hate Me - a song recorded by Porcupine Tree in 1998 - based on a live recording made on the recent tour of Europe, with additional recording in the studio. The vocals on this new version are sung as a duet between Steven and Ninet Tayeb.
Adam Holzman, Nick Beggs, Guthrie Govan, Dave Kilminster, Craig Blundell, Marco Minnemann, Chad Wackerman and Theo Travis also contribute to 4 ½
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CD version in a digipak with an 8 page booklet and a beautiful die-cut slipcase (photographed by Lasse Hoile and designed by Carl Glover).
Pre-order for 22nd January 2016 release. All orders through Burning Shed / Kscope come with an exclusive postcard.
And from Facebook:
22nd January will see the release of a new Steven Wilson album “4 ½”, so titled because it forms an interim release between Steven’s recently released fourth album Hand. Cannot. Erase. and the next studio album.
4 ½ comprises 6 tracks with a total running time of 37 minutes. 4 of the songs originated during the sessions for Hand. Cannot. Erase., and one from the recording sessions for the previous album The Raven that Refused to Sing. The final track is a version of Don’t Hate Me, a song originally recorded by Porcupine Tree in 1998, and is based on a live recording made on the recent tour of Europe with additional recording later done in the studio. The vocals on this new version are sung as a duet between Steven and Ninet Tayeb.
Also appearing on the album are members of Steven’s band over the last few years; Adam Holzman, Nick Beggs, Guthrie Govan (Official), Dave Kilminster, Craig Blundell, Marco Minnemann, Chad Wackerman, and Theo Travis.
4 ½ will be released by Kscope on CD, 180 gram vinyl, and blu-ray, with all formats housed in a beautiful die-cut sleeve photographed by Lasse Hoile and designed by Carl Glover. The blu-ray (audio only) edition includes high res stereo, a 5.1 mix of the album, and a bonus 5.1 mix of the new version of Lazarus (recently included on the Transience vinyl compilation). The vinyl edition will include a download code for the album in a choice of FLAC or mp3. The album will also be available digitally on 22nd January from iTunes, Amazon.com, Google Play & Apple Music.
Steven Wilson - "4 ½"
1. My Book of Regrets (9.23)
2. Year of the Plague (4.15)
3. Happiness III (4.31)
4. Sunday Rain Sets In (3.50)
5. Vermillioncore (5.09)
6. Don’t Hate Me (9.34)
https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/
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Wow! It's all happening today, isn't it? All the excitement on DT-side, and now this?
:dangerwillrobinson:
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Oh boy. If DT drops in January as rumored, it's gotta suck that their new ambitious double concept album will be overshadowed quality-wise by an EP of leftover songs from SW.
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Man, Hand Cannot Erase is definitely a top 10 album for me this year. Might be my favourite of his solo releases. More stuff from those sessions has me excited.
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Oh boy. If DT drops in January as rumored, it's gotta suck that their new ambitious double concept album will be overshadowed quality-wise by an EP of leftover songs from SW.
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I'm not going to pretend like I'm a huge DT fan anymore but come on dude, you're already stating what the quality of the album will be when we've heard zilch from it. You never go full dingus dude.
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Oh boy. If DT drops in January as rumored, it's gotta suck that their new ambitious double concept album will be overshadowed quality-wise by an EP of leftover songs from SW.
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I'm not going to pretend like I'm a huge DT fan anymore but come on dude, you're already stating what the quality of the album will be when we've heard zilch from it. You never go full dingus dude.
Agreed. Not necessary. Though I won't be surprised if SW's half album is fantastic.
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Oh boy. If DT drops in January as rumored, it's gotta suck that their new ambitious double concept album will be overshadowed quality-wise by an EP of leftover songs from SW.
I'm more stoked to blast 2 albums back to back for a month.
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Yeah, albums of music don't work quite like movies at a box office :lol
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Oh boy. If DT drops in January as rumored, it's gotta suck that their new ambitious double concept album will be overshadowed quality-wise by an EP of leftover songs from SW.
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I'm not going to pretend like I'm a huge DT fan anymore but come on dude, you're already stating what the quality of the album will be when we've heard zilch from it. You never go full dingus dude.
It doesn't happen often, but I totally agree with you.
Unless someone is using your user name elsewhere, Zantera, your stance on the forthcoming DT album is pretty ridiculous. You haven't heard a second of it and you already hate it.
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I'd just like to somehow give my account number to SW and have him take whatever money he desires at any time, shipping me anything he does automatically. If my cellphone carrier can do that, why not SW?
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So, I've got a rather unimportant question - do we count this as a new album or an EP? :lol
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So, I've got a rather unimportant question - do we count this as a new album or an EP? :lol
Hmmm. My first instinct is to say it's an EP, but it follows the convention of his solo album numbering, so it's a kind-of album. I mean, I suppose the Drive Home EP could be 3.5, right?
I mean, it's only 6 tracks (one is a cover), and it's under 40 minutes total.
What I want to know is how the other HCE tracks fit into the story of the album, if at all? I'd love to expand the album with these other session studio pieces and hear more of the story.
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Yeah definitely an EP IMO. I guess we have seen albums of leftover songs before but what seals the deal IMO is Don't Hate Me being on it, in a new/live version.
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Oh boy. If DT drops in January as rumored, it's gotta suck that their new ambitious double concept album will be overshadowed quality-wise by an EP of leftover songs from SW.
I don't think the albums are going to feature music that is even remotely similar (aside from proggyness). Especially this time around from the looks of it. And I think nobody in DT, nor the fans, are going to care either way.
That said, I will see both artists in Feb and it is highly likely I will have two great albums to spin in Jan ;D
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Hey people, if you're interested, I'll soon start the Mega Steven Wilson Survivor (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44902.0), in which we'll decide the best song of his overall discography. Should be fun ;D .
Edit: So now both Insurgentes and Blackfield's debut are up for voting!
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From Steven's FB:
Some more details about my forthcoming European tour, which starts in mid January: The show will be divided into 2 halves with an interval. The first half will be a complete performance of Hand. Cannot. Erase. (including Transience which has not been played live before), and the second half will be based on music from the forthcoming album 4 ½ and older repertoire, some of which we played at the recent Royal Albert Hall shows but have not yet toured.
Those that attended the RAH shows won't have forgotten Ninet Tayeb's incredible performance, so I'm happy to announce that she is able to join me at some of the shows to sing Routine, Don't Hate Me, and perhaps something else too. Ninet will be with us for the following dates: January 12 - Stuttgart, 13 - Munich and 14 - Bochum, 18 - Berlin, 19 - Frankfurt, 20 - Leipzig, 21 - Hannover, 25 - Brighton, 26 - Bristol, 27 - London, February 1 - Paris.
Well, seems like no Ninet in Moscow, but I can't wait to see HCE (with Transience, no less!) in full anyway. This sounds too good to be true even.
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Sounds kinda meh tbh, we already got HCE live (apart from Transcience) on the last tour so doing it again but also playing songs from the upcoming EP, it doesn't feel THAT exciting. He's not playing in my city, but if he did, I would probably go because he always delivers, but I thought the setlist on the HCE tour was the weakest one out of his last 3 album tours, and doing most of that again, but with a few new songs just seems rather safe.
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You Europeans may have already got HCE live, but we didn't. I'm extremely glad I've got this opportinuty to see this great album performed in full. :tup
It would've made sense if, for example, he'd switch the setlist for the cities he already played HCE on the previous tour, but I guess you can't have everything.
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Pfft Russia is part of Europe! :P Nice that it helps some I guess. It was a similar experience for me on the GFD-tour. He didn't play near me on the original GFD-tour, but then he did the second tour (when he also added Luminol to the set) and I was lucky enough to get to see him on that tour instead. So there is some validity to doing it that way.
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Pfft Russia is part of Europe! :P Nice that it helps some I guess. It was a similar experience for me on the GFD-tour. He didn't play near me on the original GFD-tour, but then he did the second tour (when he also added Luminol to the set) and I was lucky enough to get to see him on that tour instead. So there is some validity to doing it that way.
Not for the touring bands it isn't. :lol Russia is almost never included in so-called European tours, but then the bands fix the Russian dates with promoters and end up calling it "Russian tour". In the end, the tour shirts at merch stand are featuring the proud "Russian BandName Tour 2015" on the back with two dates included - Moscow and St. Petersburg - and a whole lot of blank space under these two dates. Most anticlimactic thing ever.
Still, I'm grateful the bands are coming over here.
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Yea, SW will probably go to Siberia before he comes to the Southeast US.
Same thing for Dream Theater
FYI: I am not bitter. ;)
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I was hoping for a more varied setlist, but HCE is such a fantastic album that I don't mind hearing it from start to finish, and I'm seeing SW in a different city this time, so it's gonna be a different experience anyway. Hopefully Dark Matter will be kept in rotation - I'd imagine there's room for at least one more PT song in the second half besides Don't Hate Me.
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Yea, SW will probably go to Siberia before he comes to the Southeast US.
Same thing for Dream Theater
FYI: I am not bitter. ;)
Yup. An hour south of Atlanta for me.
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:lol :lol :lol
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:rollin
So true.
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So you've probably already discussed this in the previous 58 pages but bloody hell, just played First Regret / Three Years Older when it came up on YouTube.
That's a bit cheeky. Rush called and want their riff back. :biggrin:
Was this a deliberate homage?
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So you've probably already discussed this in the previous 58 pages but bloody hell, just played First Regret / Three Years Older when it came up on YouTube.
That's a bit cheeky. Rush called and want their riff back. :biggrin:
Was this a deliberate homage?
That riff reminded me of Xanadu on first listen already, but SW himself said it was a Pete Townshend influence and the song's working title was "The Who": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozuCWbZScoI#t=5m46s
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One does not simply listen to SW without hearing what artists he took inspiration from. Whether it's Pink Floyd in the earlier days of PT, King Crimson on Grace For Drowning or Boards of Canada on Perfect Life, he really pulls a lot of stuff from the music he listens to, but so does a lot of musicians. The Rush in Three Years Older is no worse than any of his other "loans". :P
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The first time I heard that opening riff, The Who was the first thing that came to my mind...and I didn't even know.
But ya. SW does wear his influences on his sleeve. But then again, as with anything, there is no individual piece of the puzzle that is truly original. Nothing anyone does is absolutely "original". It is only the new mosaic you create from existing things which then becomes an entirely original piece of art.
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Yep. It reminds me of both The Who and Rush, actually.
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I think there is original music still being made, but the progressive rock/metal genre has been pretty stagnant for a decade now. Not to say there's not good music being made, but it's usually the package we already know and like, and nothing groundbreaking. I guess the new thing with many of the "original" bands is mixing genres that haven't really been mixed before in unique ways, and with progressive rock, since back in the 70s it has pretty much always been a "everything is possible" genre, so it's kinda hard to do something different with it. You can definitely count a few fairly modern albums in the genre that defined and changed the scene, whether it's Images & Words or Blackwater Park, but even those albums are getting kinda old now. I don't think SW will be remembered as much for originality or making a game-changing album, but rather consistency. And that's no shame. Some bands put out one game-changing album and everything else is underwhelming. SW on the other hand has a great track record of putting out great & consistent albums. It's really incredible how many great albums he has made in his different projects, in different styles, and in terms of overall discography consistency, few measure up to him.
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Zantera, I feel that post-rock has been the next evolutionary step for prog in the last 10 years. Sure, it is different enough that it has its own genre, but it still is a form of prog-rock at the end of the day.
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Who's this Steven Wilson guy? He's seems really mean >:(
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Sure, it is different enough that it has its own genre, but it still is a form of prog-rock at the end of the day.
Not really, post-rock comes from math rock, and experimental bands like Slint, Talk Talk, Tortoise, Mogwai, etc. and have little to do with prog.
Who's this Steven Wilson guy? He's seems really mean >:(
Just because he likes to destroy iPods? :P
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Just because he likes to destroy iPods? :P
>:( :censored
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Just because he likes to destroy iPods? :P
>:( :censored
I'm not even kidding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06JWDLTx4l0) :lol
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yeah i've never liked SW as a person and i find a lot of FOABP to be groan-worthy lyric-wise
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Bad opinion zone, indeed :lol
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Any of you get the Index book? I'm debating asking for it for Christmas, since I normally would not spend $60 of my own money on something like that but it looks cool...
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Sure, it is different enough that it has its own genre, but it still is a form of prog-rock at the end of the day.
Not really, post-rock comes from math rock, and experimental bands like Slint, Talk Talk, Tortoise, Mogwai, etc. and have little to do with prog.
There's no foundation of post-rock in math rock. Its progenitors are the bands you mentioned in addition to the shoegaze movement, Krautrock/space rock, and Neurosis post-hardcore, as well as contemporary classical.
And it's quite mistaken to think post-rock (and post-hardcore) are unrelated to prog. The bands obviously don't group in the same 'scene' as people like SW, but the musical lineage is incredibly clear. The legacies of prog acts like King Crimson carry directly through post-rock, to the point where Dream Theater even used it (the end of "Repetence"). One is the stone hitting the pond, the other a set of ripples resulting.
Not to mention anything avant-garde can automatically be considered progressive. The two are intimately linked.
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Sure, it is different enough that it has its own genre, but it still is a form of prog-rock at the end of the day.
Not really, post-rock comes from math rock, and experimental bands like Slint, Talk Talk, Tortoise, Mogwai, etc. and have little to do with prog.
There's no foundation of post-rock in math rock. Its progenitors are the bands you mentioned in addition to the shoegaze movement, Krautrock/space rock, and Neurosis post-hardcore, as well as contemporary classical.
Dude, Slint are math rock as fuck, and one of the biggest influences on the post-rock movement, as well as Don Caballero, therefore stating that genre has nothing to do with post-rock is quite wrong imo. Post-rock as we know it (second wave bands like GYBE!, Sigur Ros, etc. and beyond) may not really sound math-y, but it also sounds different from the movements you cited, which can be considered as part of the first wave. All those influenced converged into a unique genre, that it's more or less defined.
And it's quite mistaken to think post-rock (and post-hardcore) are unrelated to prog. The bands obviously don't group in the same 'scene' as people like SW, but the musical lineage is incredibly clear. The legacies of prog acts like King Crimson carry directly through post-rock, to the point where Dream Theater even used it (the end of "Repentance"). One is the stone hitting the pond, the other a set of ripples resulting.
I don't really see (or hear, actually) how progressive acts like KC may have had an influence on post-rock other than inspiring the musicians to expand the limits of what can be conceived musically - you're talking about a philosophy, the one of progressive rock, I'm refering to the "prog sound". Just because two genres follow the same train of thought, it doesn't mean they're really connected at all.
Dunno what Repentance has of post-rock - the layered voices and/or the extended ending? Can't see what you mean there :P
Not to mention anything avant-garde can automatically be considered progressive. The two are intimately linked.
Not really, since avant-garde is more of an ideology and not a musical movement per se.
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it's a shame I don't like Slint and don't really like Don Caballero either
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You're just on fire with the bad opinions lately aren't you? :P
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I never heard that song Routine before, and I just watched the video for the first time, and I was already tearing up before we find out what happened to the woman's family. Quite a beautiful piece of music there. That end part is pretty emotional, too. A slice of optimism, but I find that part even sadder.
I can't take music like this very often, especially when I feel bad for animated characters.
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There's no foundation of post-rock in math rock. Its progenitors are the bands you mentioned in addition to the shoegaze movement, Krautrock/space rock, and Neurosis post-hardcore, as well as contemporary classical.
Dude, Slint are math rock as fuck, and one of the biggest influences on the post-rock movement, as well as Don Caballero, therefore stating that genre has nothing to do with post-rock is quite wrong imo. Post-rock as we know it (second wave bands like GYBE!, Sigur Ros, etc. and beyond) may not really sound math-y, but it also sounds different from the movements you cited, which can be considered as part of the first wave. All those influenced converged into a unique genre, that it's more or less defined.
C'mon now, saying "Slint are math rock as fuck" is like saying SW's solo work is 'Rush as fuck' – definitely elements carried from one to the other, but 30 seconds of a riff with a random 3/4 bar in a Slint song vs. entire songs composed with a different meter every 5 bars is hardly the same genre. Influenced: definitely. Are? I dunno. The similarity to what math rock actually is, as defined by all the bands playing it whether influenced by Slint or not (though they likely are), is pretty shallow. And the 30 seconds of math rock moments in songs on Spiderland pale in comparison to the 4-6 minutes that make up the rest of each song, wherein they primarily play what can easily be called post-rock. Y'know? Not a denial of their obvious influence; a denial of it as an accurate genre for Slint.
I don't really see (or hear, actually) how progressive acts like KC may have had an influence on post-rock other than inspiring the musicians to expand the limits of what can be conceived musically - you're talking about a philosophy, the one of progressive rock, I'm refering to the "prog sound". Just because two genres follow the same train of thought, it doesn't mean they're really connected at all.
Absolutely right to point out philosophy vs. sound. Still, the sound is quite related, whether it's the build-up in a song like "Starless" or the Spin review saying Spiderland sounds like "mid-'70s King Crimson gone emo." I'd say the influence is completely undeniable, though I think there is definitely a case to argue a lot of that initial influence has faded in the current crop of post-rock acts. Even GY!BE are stepping further into drone and (more) minimalist territory compared to the early days.
Appropriately for this topic, SW is one of the prog guys who's been working post-rock influence into his stuff for many years now (particularly FOABP and Insurgentes). If you want post-rock and prog separate, I'm afraid not only is the history interrelated, but they've become hybridized by bands like everything else now!
Dunno what Repentance has of post-rock - the layered voices and/or the extended ending? Can't see what you mean there :P
I was thinking of the ending in particular. DT don't often repeat a riff ad infinitum with subtle changes and layering, so the most obvious time they do, it comes across pretty post-rock influenced! Was Mogwai in the inspiration corner?!
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oceansize was basically a fusion of prog rock and post-rock from the start
some metal in there too
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How about, who gives a shit about influences and enjoy the hell out of the music.
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Yeah, genre analysis in musicology can get... labyrinthine, if not just dry. :lol
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How about, who gives a shit about influences and enjoy the hell out of the music.
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Seriously, why the fuck is this discussion even happening in this thread when SW just announced tour dates today?!
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/steven-wilson-announces-new-dates-for-2016-in-usa-canada/
I'm wondering if there's anything more to come, or if I should start making plans to travel to NYC or Chicago...
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Hate going to NYC, but at least it's on a Saturday that I don't work, so I'll be there.
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Seriously, why the fuck is this discussion even happening in this thread when SW just announced tour dates today?!
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/steven-wilson-announces-new-dates-for-2016-in-usa-canada/
I'm wondering if there's anything more to come, or if I should start making plans to travel to NYC or Chicago...
They will be playing HCE in its entirety plus some of the songs on the new 4 1/2 EP he is releasing in January
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Seriously, why the fuck is this discussion even happening in this thread when SW just announced tour dates today?!
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/steven-wilson-announces-new-dates-for-2016-in-usa-canada/
I'm wondering if there's anything more to come, or if I should start making plans to travel to NYC or Chicago...
They will be playing HCE in its entirety plus some of the songs on the new 4 1/2 EP he is releasing in January
Well all of HCE except Transience :laugh: Would love to hear a longer edition, spin off of that song
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Steven has confirmed he'd be playing Trascience too ::)
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Damn- that little tour ends right before my break begins.
I'd love to see him again, twice within the span of a year no less, but those are impossible for me.
I'm wondering if there's anything more to come
Hopefully this
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Ah, that sucks. Tickets go on sale Friday, so I may end up just buying some for Chicago and then crossing my fingers for a CO date. I really don't want to go to NJ three months after I've just been there; no offense to my family :lol.. but I do love the Beacon! Dammit.
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Even though I am (mostly) retired from concerts, SW is the one guy I'd still make an exception for, except that those Chicago dates are on a Monday and Tuesday. :facepalm: :facepalm: With work, there is no way I can swing either of those. Damn it.
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Looks like I'll be seeing Steven again in NYC on March 5th :metal
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He announced a date in Chile - maybe he'll return to Argentina too :o
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Do you think there will be more dates announced soon? I want to buy tickets, but being in western Canada there has to be a few spots closer that he normally plays.
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Do you think there will be more dates announced soon?...
I certainly hope there will be more U.S. dates. I would road-trip to Chicago but both of those shows are on a f**kin' Monday & Tuesday :sad:
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I asked for PTO and bought Chicago tickets :D
If he ends up announcing a Colorado date, I guess I'll just have to see him again.
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I'm debating just buying plane tickets to Chicago. I can get them for $390.
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If he ends up announcing a Colorado date, I guess I'll just have to see him again.
Unfortunately I think a Colorado date isn't happening at this point. I see he recently added one for Mexico City on March 11th. And with the 2nd Chicago date being the 8th, I'm not sure there will be enough time to hit Colorado between there.
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Yeah, I saw the Mexico date too. Well I'll survive not seeing him three nights in a row, but sucks for you :P
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I got my ticket for the Orpheum in Boston. Even though I fucking hate the venue.
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Yeah, I saw the Mexico date too. Well I'll survive not seeing him three nights in a row, but sucks for you :P
As I'll be out of the country for the first half of March I think I was screwed either way. :)
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I got my ticket for the Orpheum in Boston. Even though I fucking hate the venue.
I may miss this one. I want to go to RoSfest again this year in June.
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I got my ticket for the Orpheum in Boston. Even though I fucking hate the venue.
Is that where DT played on the ToT tour? If so yeah, I wasn't crazy about it.
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No I thought that was the Palladium in Worcester, Ma. Then they played Harborlights.
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Nope, definitely have never been to either of those.
Yeah, it was the Orpheum: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2004/orpheum-theatre-boston-ma-6bd6d236.html
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Ok, yeah that's the one. I don't mind that venue like Rumbo.
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It's a good venue for that
BWWWWMZZZZMMMHMZZHMMMZMZZZZHHH
kind of aural experience.
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Maybe for the heavier bands. I've seen a wide range of music there. Nothing compared to the Wang Center for concerts.
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I went to the Orpheum one time only to discover that the four seats I got which I bought at the venue as soon as tickets went on sale were directly behind the sound guy with almost no visibility. Why the hell would you even sell those seats? Luckily they gave us orchestra level seats to make up for it.
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Hello guys, long time, no log-in!
I just thought I'd pop back to tell you all I just got off the phone interviewing Steven Wilson about all his new material! As someone who was formerly a HUUUUUGE Porcupine Tree fan, as some older users here may remember, I'm just buzzing and wanted to share it with like-minded folk!
I hope all is well here, with my renewed interest in Wilson's stuff I might start hanging around here again, I've missed you all, and I can see some familiar faces in this thread already.
Cheers,
MarvellousG
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Is the HCE streaming video available anywhere btw? I would love to listen/watch it on my long flight on Saturday.
EDIT: Never mind. I did ze Google, and there's an obvious link.
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Is the HCE streaming video available anywhere btw? I would love to listen/watch it on my long flight on Saturday.
EDIT: Never mind. I did ze Google, and there's an obvious link.
The 5.1 Blu Ray is glorious.
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First reviews of the new mini album
https://ramzine.co.uk/reviews/review-steven-wilson-4-12/
https://theprogressiveaspect.net/blog/2016/01/02/steven-wilson-4%C2%BD/
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WOW that first review by Wheeler... What a douchebag. I stopped actually reading at the end of the first paragraph because the amount of pretentious masturbation was already about to make me puke. Skimmed the rest and read the end...and its got a (the most cliche, massively overused) Shakespeare line in existence (it's like I'm reading a highschool paper). :lol Awesome stuff. Even as a massive SW fan...that kind of rhetoric is why SW fans get shit. Gives the ones who aren't cocksure of their factual opinions a bad wrap. Gaw damn.
Second review that was readable and didnt ooze with dickery was nice and informative. Really excited for this and am interested in the new take on Don't Hate Me.
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I tend to stay away from SW reviews because most of them are overly positive in a fanboy-kind of way. I expect the new EP to be good, like I thought HCE was good (but not great), but with some reviewers it's like every new SW release is the best thing in human existence.
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WOW that first review by Wheeler... What a douchebag. I stopped actually reading at the end of the first paragraph because the amount of pretentious masturbation was already about to make me puke. Skimmed the rest and read the end...and its got a (the most cliche, massively overused) Shakespeare line in existence (it's like I'm reading a highschool paper). :lol Awesome stuff. Even as a massive SW fan...that kind of rhetoric is why SW fans get shit. Gives the ones who aren't cocksure of their factual opinions a bad wrap. Gaw damn.
I hope that review was at least somwhat satirical because my god that was embarrasing to read as someone who likes SW's work.
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New review
https://mwiemetalblog.over-blog.com/2016/01/cd-review-steven-wilson-4-1-2-ep.html?utm_source=flux&utm_medium=flux-rss&utm_campaign=music-entertainment
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Another new review : https://www.metalwani.com/2015/12/review-steven-wilson-4-12.html
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4 1/2 is out a little early on iTunes!! Bout to listen now.
Already listened to Don't Hate Me and other than a few of the instrumentals.. Wow, I like the original SO much more its not even funny.
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The new EP is pretty much what I expected, it's decent, but nothing amazing or anything. The instrumental songs could have used some more work and added vocals, Don't Hate Me doesn't live up to the original and as far as the standout I would probably say My Book of Regrets.
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I love the shit out of the rest of the album and am really surprised by how much I like the instrumental songs. I enjoy the more upbeat nature of the songs with vocals too and am equally surprised at that. I am pretty disappointed with DHM though given that I was really looking forward to it. There is just zero emotion in the female-sung lines where in the original you can really hear Wilson's lonliness and desperation; she cuts off the words really quickly instead of letting them linger and subsequently it sounds like she is rushing through it.
Overall I really like the mini album! Especially Regrets, Plague and Vermillioncore. Great stuff with that latter one. Supreme stuff. Good segue; its about what I expected and also what I didn't given that I thought I'd love DHM the most and didn't expect the majority (not counting DHM) to be instrumentals but Vermillioncore blew my socks off and Plague is just really gorgeous.
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I'm probably going to get the new EP this afternoon if my local store has it :metal
Also went to see the show in Hannover yesterday. It was magical. Ninet was amazing. Loved the setlist!
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I'll get my copy of 4½ next week... I. Cannot. Wait.
I'm probably going to get the new EP this afternoon if my local store has it :metal
Also went to see the show in Hannover yesterday. It was magical. Ninet was amazing. Loved the setlist!
That's great to hear! :tup I wish Ninet would appear at the Finnish shows... :-\ How was Space Oddity?
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Just looked up the setlists and I hope to get the one with The Watchmaker and TRTRTS. I'm not too fond he has only included Index from his previous three solo albums..
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@Ville: It was very good, but I'm not very familiar with David Bowie's music so I'm not the best judge but I knew the song and it sounded fantastic.
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Wow, this release totally sneaked up on me. Will buy and listen later today.
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Vermillioncore sounds kinda Porcupine Tree-ish :heart
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@Ville: It was very good, but I'm not very familiar with David Bowie's music so I'm not the best judge but I knew the song and it sounded fantastic.
Cool! I watched a YT video and it sounded really good. A bit of a bummer that it probably won't be played at the shows without Ninet, but on the other hand it looks like I may get Dark Matter instead, which would be awesome.
Just looked up the setlists and I hope to get the one with The Watchmaker and TRTRTS. I'm not too fond he has only included Index from his previous three solo albums..
I'd imagine he'll play an extended version of last year's standard set (which included more solo songs) in the countries where his solo band hasn't played before, including Russia. Just my prediction, though...
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My Book of Regrets is really nice and I like it more than 90% of HCE. But the other songs feel more like B-sides and don't really add that much to his discography. They're not bad, they're fine, but with SW you expect better, but he is excused because it is B-sides. As far as Don't Hate Me goes, it has nothing on the original.
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Just looked up the setlists and I hope to get the one with The Watchmaker and TRTRTS. I'm not too fond he has only included Index from his previous three solo albums..
I'd imagine he'll play an extended version of last year's standard set (which included more solo songs) in the countries where his solo band hasn't played before, including Russia. Just my prediction, though...
Yep, that's what I'm hoping for!
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Surprised to see he sold out the show I am going to. It is on a Wednesday evening in the south, there is another show in the Netherlands the next evening, and the venue houses 3000 people. And if I remember correctly he already sold out several shows here last year, which is largely part of the same tour (even though the new material now). Good to see he is doing well.
Looking forward to the show, it will be my first time seeing him (3rd of February). Too bad Ninet and Minneman won't be there, would've liked to see them.
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Cool! I watched a YT video and it sounded really good. A bit of a bummer that it probably won't be played at the shows without Ninet, but on the other hand it looks like I may get Dark Matter instead, which would be awesome.
I looked up some other setlists today and saw that song you mentioned. Wow. I would've loved it if he'd played that one.
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I got my copy of 4½ this morning and gave it a listen in the afternoon. It's fantastic! Each of the original songs seems to highlight a certain aspect of SW's music.
1. Long-form song
2. Acoustic instrumental sans drums
3. Pop song
4. Creepy slow instrumental
5. Full-band rocking out
Great work all round, and I'm looking forward to getting familiar with these songs.
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Just went up on Amazon and got the MP3 version. Loved.Last.Release
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I'm gonna post my DT rant here:
I don't get it. I'm listening to 4 1/2, and there's bass, drums, guitar, keys and vocals. And I can make out every one of them. Even in full blast, I hear the bass gurgling, I hear the snare's ghost notes.
And then I put on DT. Same instrumentation, but it's an aural clusterfuck. I mean, granted, SW doesn't do prog metal, but I feel he's heavy enough at times to warrant the comparison. Why is DT so incapable of producing ac decent mix, when Steven so clearly is?
To make a mean comparison, listening to SW is like standing on a hill of an Irish pasture, overseeing the wide green fields, whereas listening to DT is a visit to /r/shittyhdr on Reddit.
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Not just SW. A lot of debut albums from young prog metal bands recorded in their bedrooms sound better than what DT produce in a studio.
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Agreed. Although I haven't heard The Astonishing yet (well who has, it's not out yet...), I'm hoping for something better than the sonic abomination that was DT12. ADTOE was sonically shit as well.
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Agreed. Although I haven't heard The Astonishing yet (well who has, it's not out yet...), I'm hoping for something better than the sonic abomination that was DT12. ADTOE was sonically shit as well.
Have you listened to the two songs? The drums sounds like a typewriting session during a Mexican standoff gone wrong.
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Quite pleased by this release. I thought My Book of Regrets and Hapiness III were pretty awesome, and the instrumentals were pretty solid too. Don't Hate Me was good too, but I preferred the original.
Overall, it doesn't really stand up to one of his full length albums, but it's not really supposed to, as most the songs were things that missed the cut on previous albums. As an EP I'm pretty pleased by the quality.
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Quite pleased by this release. I thought My Book of Regrets and Hapiness III were pretty awesome, and the instrumentals were pretty solid too. Don't Hate Me was good too, but I preferred the original.
Overall, it doesn't really stand up to one of his full length albums, but it's not really supposed to, as most the songs were things that missed the cut on previous albums. As an EP I'm pretty pleased by the quality.
Agreed on all of this, with a special mention to Vermillioncore - sounds like something from the IA-Deadwing era.
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Bought this last night on iTunes before I went to sleep. I only listened to My Book of Regrets so far, but it sounded good. That riff in the middle sounds like the Time Flies acoustic riff played on an electric.
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I just checked this out.
I'm kind of biased with Steven Wilson, having loved dearly everything the man has released for the past 20 years or so, and this is no exception.
That being said, I think this is a very nice collection of songs but they don't feel that cohesive in an album point of view, and I think that kinda makes sense. Some of these songs do feel like they had some kind of Hand.Cannot.Erase spirit to them, but didn't really fit in the overall scheme of the album. Also, unlike Hand which I usually listen from start to finish, I see myself popping some of these songs occasionally without having to listen to the rest.
In my first listen, probably my favorite track was Year of the Plague. Such a weird choice, I know, but I'm a sucker for the quiet Steven Wilson tracks. Such nice ambience paired with harmonic/melodic heaven. I found Happiness III to be quite catchy, and Don't Hate Me with Ninet does sound like a different song. I love the Stupid Dream version of that tune dearly, so it took a couple of minutes for me to get adjusted to the new version, but it clicked just well with me.
For two years or so I've had Steven Wilson and Peter Gabriel as my favorite songwriters, but given how prolific (and constantly good) Wilson is, he might just edge Peter Gabriel and become my favorite songwriter. The guy has done a ridiculous amount of great music, and I hope there's still plenty of ideas left in those naked feet!
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I really love Plague as well and it might be my favorite, just about tying with Vermillioncore (god damn I love that name too). DHM has grown on me but man...I just do not like the way Ninet sings it very much at all. It really feels like she's just saying the words in a really pretty well as opposed to truly feeling it. I don't get the feels like I do when I listen to the original and it's a true downer for me because I expected to love the hell out of it. Expectations, on one hand...on the other, it could've had a lot more power to it, to be sure. C'MON, FEEL THOSE DEPRESSION FEELS! is pretty much what I want. :lol
I love it though. It's definitely a good choice to have the album labeled as is and known that it's pretty much just a teaser and a look into what didn't make the cut. Even so, it's got some great material and I am very much looking forward to the fleshed out next album. The group has such a great dynamic and that is heard ten fold on Vermillioncore.
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Agreed. Although I haven't heard The Astonishing yet (well who has, it's not out yet...), I'm hoping for something better than the sonic abomination that was DT12. ADTOE was sonically shit as well.
Have you listened to the two songs? The drums sounds like a typewriting session during a Mexican standoff gone wrong.
I've only listened to TGOM once and I haven't heard the other song, but I thought the drums sounded at least better than on ADTOE (everything MM did was audible) and DT12 (the snare didn't sound like crap and there was less clipping... I think). However, I'm waiting for the album to come out on CD for a proper judgement.
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Kinda wish he had finished "My Book" at the time and included it on the album instead of "Home Invasion" and "Regret #9."
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Listened to an EP two times. Alright effort overall, definitely not album quality but still, some nice tunes there. I didn't like My Book of Regrets much, though. Highlights for me are Year of the Plague and Vermillioncore. Sunday Rain Sets In is pretty nice too, and Happiness III vocal melodies reminded me of Postcard a lot.
Re-recorded Don't Hate Me is meh. As much as I liked Ninet's parts on Routine, her voice is kind of lifeless here.
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To me, Year of the Plague has a Storm Corrosion/Grace for Drowning vibe. And Happiness III's chorus is a real earworm!
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I loved Ninet's vocals on Don't Hate Me. Very solid EP.
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Has anyone tried coming up with a track list of HCE that includes the four tracks from the new EP that were recorded during those sessions? Do they even belong in the album, story-wise, or were these just extra songs that weren't written with the story in mind? I've only listened through the EP once and haven't paid TOO much attention the lyrics, at least not enough to notice whether or not they fit into the story of HCE.
As for the one Raven outtake, it's pretty nice and soothing. I'm trying to find a spot for it in my already-expanded personal track list of Raven:
Luminol
Drive Home
THe Holy Drinker
The Pin Drop
The Birthday Party
Clock Song
The Watchmaker
The Raven That Refused To Sing
Not sure where it would fit...hmm, any suggestions?
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First Regret
3 Years Older
Hand.Cannot.Erase.
My Book of Regrets
Perfect Life (Grand Union mix)
Vermillioncore
Routine
Sunday Rain Sets In
Home Invasion
Regret #9
Transience (single version)
Ancestral
Last Regret
Happy Returns
Ascendant Here On
I'd rather leave out Vermillioncore, though.
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Interesting to hear that Happiness III was originally conceived as part of the Deadwing era.
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Interesting to hear that Happiness III was originally conceived as part of the Deadwing era.
Really? It sounds so different from anything of that era IMO.
Maybe it's the actual SW, that has come a long way ever since.
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I dunno. "Christenings" and "Godfearing" are both from the same period. He's as versatile now as he ever was.
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I dunno. "Christenings" and "Godfearing" are both from the same period. He's as versatile now as he ever was.
I agree, but you can't deny that back then SW made everything sound like PT and of course that's not a bad thing. PT, as musically and stylistically diverse as they were, had a very peculiar sound core and SW knew that (same goes for Blackfield, for example). Nowadays, he has no boundaries or limits of how his music has to turn out and that's what makes it more exciting than ever in my book.
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I wouldn't say he's more diverse now. If anything I'd say he was at his most diverse peak a few years ago when he was juggling PT, his recently launched solo project, Blackfield, Bass Communion, the occasional No-Man. HCE didn't bring anything new that he hasn't done before, and while Raven and Grace did, those were still fairly restrained albums that kept to their style.
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I get that, but both Insurgentes and Grace for Drowning would've turned out very different if they were worked and released under the PT name. By diverse, I meant that he has now the skill to expand his musical palette as much as we wants to (and I really think he's doing that).
Maybe HCE didn't bring something that new to the table, but the album is such an amazing experience from start to finish that I really don't mind it's not a deep noise-60s-jazz-experimental-circuits-bonanza.
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I wouldn't say he's more diverse now. If anything I'd say he was at his most diverse peak a few years ago when he was juggling PT, his recently launched solo project, Blackfield, Bass Communion, the occasional No-Man. HCE didn't bring anything new that he hasn't done before, and while Raven and Grace did, those were still fairly restrained albums that kept to their style.
Except his solo work is every one of those put together. So he's still exactly that varied.
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I think HCE is extremely diverse.
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Yeah, I think so as well. You have poppy stuff like the title track, almost electronic stuff like Perfect Life, long, proggy tracks, an instrumental...
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I think Insurgentes is my favorite solo album of his. Everything on it is either dark or badass. I feel that SW has turned a bit too much to the soft and sweet side of things on recent releases, even though I like all of his songs anyway.
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I think HCE is extremely diverse.
It's diverse in the way The Incident is diverse, and feels a bit like a mix of everything SW has done. But despite being more diverse than Grace or Raven, it doesn't expand into new territory like those two did.
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I think HCE is extremely diverse.
It's diverse in the way The Incident is diverse, and feels a bit like a mix of everything SW has done. But despite being more diverse than Grace or Raven, it doesn't expand into new territory like those two did.
I'll agree that it doesn't expand into new territory as much as Raven or especially GFD, but I don't think it stayed completely stagnant. I haven't listened to a lot of No-Man or Bass Communion, but I've never heard anything in any other SW project that sounded like Perfect Life, or even 3 Years Older. I think those are pretty unique tracks in SW's catalog.
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He said in an interview for Prog Mag that his next album would be contemporary, so I'm hopeful he brings more electronic influences. I need more tracks like Perfect Life :heart
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I want some more Transience type stuff. Even though it's brief, it's one of my tip top favorites off the album.
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Anyone seen SW on current leg of the tour? What time does he come on stage?
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6:00 on a Christmas morning.
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Anyone seen SW on current leg of the tour? What time does he come on stage?
In Hannover it was 8 PM. There's no support act.
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6:00 on a Christmas morning.
This had me laughing way too hard :lol
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I want some more Transience type stuff. Even though it's brief, it's one of my tip top favorites off the album.
Agreed. His acoustic stuff is wonderful.
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Finally got my record last night! I need to listen more when I'm not super tired to have a strong opinion, but it was definitely an experience listening to it in the dark while not fully awake. Mixed feelings about Don't Hate Me. To be continued...
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So, you guys remember PerpetualChange? AKA Joe AKA Two Point Tingle?
In any case, he has a full review of the new EP which you can read OR listen to here: https://wpapu.com/review-steven-wilson-4-12/
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Well, this was a nice release from Steven. And I love the new version of don't hate me with female vocals, it works so well
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Finally, "4 1/2" has arrived, listened through the album (EP?) twice now. How come this man never disappoints? This is great, I really like the new version of Don't Hate Me, I like how it's a bit more intense and jammy during the instrumental section. This really got me stoked for friday when I'll finally get to see this man live! Oh, and Craig can certainly play the drums :biggrin:
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My Book Of Regrets. Holy :censored what a song!!! That middle bass part! :metal
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I had cempletely forgotten that 4 1/2 had come until a few days ago. So far I really like it. But the slightly changed chorus to Don't Hate Me will take some getting used to.
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I just wanted to say My Book of Regrets has a wonderful chorus :heart
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Happiness III makes me happiness, three times.
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I don't think it will stand the test of time like the PT B-Sides stuff. As an EP it has nothing on Nil Recurring for example.
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Honestly, the chorus is my least favourite part of My Book of Regrets. :lol
I don't know what the hell I'm doing in your roulette, Sacul.
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I don't know what the hell I'm doing in your roulette, Sacul.
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I still need to devote more time to this. I have listened to My Book of Regrets several times, and it is great, but I was on a massive Bowie kick for several weeks until last Friday, and then it has been nothing but The Astonishing since. I'll get to it soon.
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I don't know what the hell I'm doing in your roulette, Sacul.
Well you Evermind somehow won my first one, and now are forced to defend your title :P
And you mikemangioy are in because I wanted you to send me Adrenaline Mob :angry:
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I still need to devote more time to this. I have listened to My Book of Regrets several times, and it is great, but I was on a massive Bowie kick for several weeks until last Friday, and then it has been nothing but The Astonishing since. I'll get to it soon.
Kev, you need to see the new live video Steven Wilson just releaaed. I won't say anymore.
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I saw it. Very nice. :tup :tup
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Saw him Wednesdsay, fantastic concert!
I see people here liking My Book of Regrets, I agree! For me, that song was the highlight of the concert, amazing performance. And Vermillioncore was another highlight, partially due to the awesome visuals (projected on a transparent curtain in front of the stage).
I was totally expecting to like the Hand. Cannot. Erase. set the most, but I enjoyed set 2 even moreso. While I do not like every song he played during the second set, in a live setting it all worked extremely well and some tracks had more balls to them. Overall I really enjoyed having a more coherent concept telling a story at the beginning, with a more varied and regular setlist visiting all kinds of past and present material after it.
I still need to devote more time to this. I have listened to My Book of Regrets several times, and it is great, but I was on a massive Bowie kick for several weeks until last Friday, and then it has been nothing but The Astonishing since. I'll get to it soon.
Kev, you need to see the new live video Steven Wilson just releaaed. I won't say anymore.
Where? Not on yt? Edit: I was being blind :facepalm:
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Seeing him in 10 days and damn I'm so excited about that. Great to hear that about set 2.
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I'm still waiting for him to announce a date in Argentina. He already has one in Chile so I would assume he'll come here as well, if he doesn't I'll be very pissed off....
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Same, as I didn't caught him on the last 2 tours :(
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You're in for a treat :smiley:
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I've been listening to 4½ for the past few weeks and I like it. My Book of Regrets and Year of the Plague are awesome, and Happiness III and Vermillioncore (heard this one on the radio a week ago :D) are pretty good too. The new version of Don't Hate Me doesn't measure up to the original, though: it's a little too slow, the guitars in the verses sound kind of rigid (for lack of a better word) compared to the PT version, and Ninet's vocals lack the tortured feel that the chorus calls for.
BTW, does anyone else think the cover art may have been inspired by this? ;)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/Kajagoogoo_White_Feathers.jpg)
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I agree on Don't Hate Me after listening again. It's not bad, but it does not have that same mood. But overall I'm really enjoying 4 1/2 so far, especially Year of the Plague.
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I like this version of Don't Hate Me just as much as the original, but, I'm also totally in love with Ninet's voice :heart so... Yea
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Finally giving the EP a good listen...
That chorus from Happiness III is going to be stuck in my head all day now. :biggrin:
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Finally giving the EP a good listen...
That chorus from Happiness III is going to be stuck in my head all day now. :biggrin:
While I think My Book of Regrets is the best song, Happiness III really gets stuck in my head more than anything.
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Didn't hear the whole EP yet but I heard Happiness III on new year's episode of WPaPU and this reminded me I liked it so now I have it on repeat on Youtube :lol catchy tune, it really shows how diverse Steven's music is
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Okay, so I managed to finally see this man live after missing out on 4 shows during the last 3 years. This was probably the greatest show I've ever been to, granted, I haven't seen many live acts (DT thrice, Steve Vai and Neal Morse Band (with haken)) but they were all stellar as well. Performancewise, this tops them all, the band was on fire, they really nailed it, the sound was great, every instrument was audible and the setlist was to die for. The Entire Hand. Cannot. Erase. album alone was amazing, but the clear highlight was Dark Matter, then again, it's a top 5 SW song (ever) for me so that meant alot. Bottom Line, I had the greatest friday of my life, if you get the chance to catch this show live, take it!
(Craig seemed to have some problem with The Sound of Muzak though, a bit strange if you ask me)
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Craig didn't have any problems with TSoM (or indeed with any song) during the Hannover show.
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Aaaaand I got my tickets :D
March 22nd it is
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I'll get mine soon, colour me fucking hyped :caffeine:
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Mine is in four days and oh hell yes I'm so ready for this.
I'm going to be useless at work at Monday. All my thoughts are going to be about this gig.
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Well, that was really magical and fantastic show.
Setlist (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2016/yotaspace-moscow-russia-4bf307ea.html)
I'm not even going to write a lot about this show here, everyone who saw him live (and now I'm a happy part of this group) knows what I'm talking about. Great, clear sound, every musician is so precise and the emotions I felt during songs like Routine, Happy Returns, Lazarus and Raven are really can't be compared with anything I felt on other concerts (well except for The Theater Equation). Just as I thought, I indeed teared up on the Routine.
Glad we've got Open Car instead of Dark Matter or Drag Ropes, it was a fitting opener for the second set which was heavier than HCE in its entirety, this song set the mood just fine. Another big highlight was the Bowie cover. Space Oddity sounded fantastic and drew a huge ovation from the audience. I wish they played The Watchmaker though, but this seemed to be the case only for one odd show on this tour. Well, maybe next time!
Steven was also a lot of fun with his banter between the songs.
All in all, loved the show and I hope he'll be coming a bit more often down here.
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I really hope I get to hear Dark Matter live at some point, definitely the best PT song. Would be magical to hear it, but he seems rather fond of it, so it might appear in future live sets as well.
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I think I'm getting my ticket on the next payday. Cash is tight this week. If they're sold out by then, I'll just have to miss him. :sadpanda:
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Does someone here know if there is an official way to purchase/stream the H.C.E. Yahoo live show? I see most (all?) songs on yt but would like to have the full, official thing. But I can only find a broadcast link that says the show is finished? (and that the re-broadcast was finished).
Well, that was really magical and fantastic show.
Setlist (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2016/yotaspace-moscow-russia-4bf307ea.html)
I'm not even going to write a lot about this show here, everyone who saw him live (and now I'm a happy part of this group) knows what I'm talking about. Great, clear sound, every musician is so precise and the emotions I felt during songs like Routine, Happy Returns, Lazarus and Raven are really can't be compared with anything I felt on other concerts (well except for The Theater Equation). Just as I thought, I indeed teared up on the Routine.
Glad we've got Open Car instead of Dark Matter or Drag Ropes, it was a fitting opener for the second set which was heavier than HCE in its entirety, this song set the mood just fine. Another big highlight was the Bowie cover. Space Oddity sounded fantastic and drew a huge ovation from the audience. I wish they played The Watchmaker though, but this seemed to be the case only for one odd show on this tour. Well, maybe next time!
Steven was also a lot of fun with his banter between the songs.
All in all, loved the show and I hope he'll be coming a bit more often down here.
Glad that you loved it too!
I always liked SW's material but never considered myself to be a "fan" (to the extent I call myself a fan of an artist), but seeing him live definitely changed that for me. Some songs (from PT) I do not really like all that much were really great live. Like I said before, I really liked the contrast between the two sets and overall the show felt perfectly balanced. I hope we will at least get an audio release of a current liveshow, as they are in fantastic shape indeed. And I was surprised by his banter, he was genuinely funny in the show I attended, gotta love that dry British humor.
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That's a fantastic setlist!
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I REALLY like the EP... And i really wish he was playing Train (in Denmark) again on the second leg :-(.
I was fortunate enough to see him on the first leg of this tour and the second leg of Raven but I'd have to go to Copenhagen this time around and just can't swing it (plus I really hate going to concerts over there).
Glad everyone who can is enjoying the second leg, I'll be looking forward to the live release he talked about earlier which I'm sure will cover some of new material on this leg :-).
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Ex-Mansun singer Paul Draper is finally releasing some solo music aaaaaand......it's a collaboration with SW! :o That should be good
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I hear SW has a cold which is why Raven has been dropped from the set a few nights. hoping he's better by the show in NY tomorrow, easily one of my favorite tracks so it'd be a shame to not hear it :-[
anyone else going tomorrow?
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I hear SW has a cold which is why Raven has been dropped from the set a few nights. hoping he's better by the show in NY tomorrow, easily one of my favorite tracks so it'd be a shame to not hear it :-[
anyone else going tomorrow?
Yeah, I'll be there tomorrow, really looking forward to it!
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does anyone know what time his show's have been ending this tour? just trying to make my travel plans back to philly from new york, if it's done by 10:45 I'll be in much better shape..
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So damn close Rumbo.
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Dude, those are the cheapest seats in the venue.
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Figures. I'm getting a new furnace plus DT show and RoSfest again this year so I passed on this show.
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Nice! I'm leaving for Chicago tomorrow morning and staying til Wednesday to see both shows there. Anybody else going to either show?
So. Pumped.
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So yeah, it's DT that sucks. The Orpheum is perfectly capable of delivering good sound, as long as the band cares about it.
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That's why I was surprised you saying you hated the sound there, I've had mostly good experiences there.
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DT's sound guy is probably bipolar or something. :lol :lol
Saw them twice two years ago in the span of five days. The show in Chicago sounded awesome; perfect volume and you could hear everything. The show five days later in Kansas City was ear-crushing loud. Two of us even bolted for empty seats in the balcony, instead of staying down front with two of other friends who went, thinking it wouldn't be as bad up there, but it was still ear-splitting loud. I credit that as the concert that did the most damage to my ears ever, resulting in my decision this past year to stop going to them altogether. So thanks to DT's sound guy for that. :tdwn :tdwn
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I actually chatted with a concession stand woman at some point, and she had also worked at the BTFW show. Her view was also that it was painfully loud. All the ushers had fled into the outside lounge area, and she said she still couldn't communicate.
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So yeah, it's DT that sucks. The Orpheum is perfectly capable of delivering good sound, as long as the band cares about it.
I was at the show in Tampere, Finland, and it was easily the best-sounding concert I've attended. I heard that SW was using his own PA system, so he may have it with him on the NA tour as well. A lot of rock bands need to learn that louder =/= better, because SW didn't play at a really high volume, and the clarity of the sound was simply incredible.
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I agree. I think the problem is that bands like DT drive the house PA to the absolute limit, and at that level the PA craps out, and so does your hearing.
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Well, DT has had problems off and on with getting as good a sound as possible in the studio since the late 90s, while SW's stuff almost always sounds awesome, so it's no surprise that it would be the same way live. Some artists simply care about sound quality more than others.
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And I've never understood that tbh. In DT's music there's so much going on, sonic clarity is of the essence. Brickwalling a performance totally takes away one of the major points of attending a DT performance, which is to see and hear challenging material being performed.
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True, but DT certainly isn't the first band, and they won't be the last, to have issues with getting a good, consistent sound in the live environment. The meathead approach of "louder = better," which I guess we can thank The Who for, is still far too prevalent nowadays.
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Steven had to cancel Monday's Chicago show :(
I got this email last night:
Steven Wilson's Monday Show - Cancelled
“Unfortunately, due to health issues I have with great reluctance cancelled my show in Chicago at the Vic Theatre tomorrow night. Having battled against a severe virus through the previous 3 shows, reaching a low point last night at the Beacon Theater in New York where I was struggling to speak let alone sing (a big thank you to Ninet and Dave K for stepping in to save the day!), I have been told by the doctor that I require 48 hours complete rest in order to recover. My sincere apologies to anyone who was planning to come to this show, especially if you made special travel plans, and I hope you will understand that this an absolute last resort for me. Please note that the second show at the Vic Theater on Tuesday night will definitely go ahead.” Steven Wilson
All ticket holders for Monday night's show will receive a full refund, including all ticketing fees. If you purchased them online, you don't need to do anything – you will automatically receive a full refund. If you purchased them in person at the box, you must return your tickets there for your refund.
Those that wish to attend Tuesday night's show, you can go here: https://www.etix.com/ticket/p/3820693/steven-wilson-chicago-vic-theatrechicago-il to purchase those tickets. Sorry for any inconvenience
Your Friends at Jam Productions
Fortunately I was able to get tickets for Tuesday instead. I live pretty close so not a huge deal for me. But this will be a bummer for Jackie and others who are traveling. I hope he feels better.
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Yeah. I feel bad for Jackie. She traveled for this show.
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SW got vocal help from Ninet and Dave Kilminster in NYC: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2016/beacon-theatre-new-york-ny-3bf08834.html
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Yeah. I feel bad for Jackie. She traveled for this show.
Well I already had tickets for both, but I'm still terrified he's going to have to cancel tomorrow because he's bedridden or something. On the bright side, I had a blast tonight in his honor!
Yeah. I feel bad for Jackie. She traveled for this show.
Well I already had tickets for both, but I'm still terrified he's going to have to cancel tomorrow because he's bedridden or something. On the bright side, I had a blast tonight in his honor!
Soylent, even though we don't know each other (unless my memory is totally failing me right now) PM me if you'd like to meet up before/at the show! That would make it two DTF encunters (keeping that typo :lol) on one trip.
I still haven't figured out if I'm gonna line up early or anything. I did not dish out the extra dough for the special seats since I knew I would be spending a lot on travel expenses and whatnot. Also, I don't always like to sit close... but am curious about your thoughts on the venue if you're familiar with it.
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Forgot to chime in here about the NYC show. No question one of the most unique shows I've seen, and still absolutely fantastic. This man and his band deliver more ill than most bands do on their A game.
Dave only had two songs to sing, and did well, but nothing spectacular.
Ninet on the other hand was nailing it for most of the night. Of particular enjoyment was Hand Cannot Erase. The first chorus she sang very low, and very reserved, and then the 2nd chorus... she just let loose, and it was amazing. She really did a fantastic job picking up a lot of vocals. And Steven did a good enough job making it through the few songs he sang.
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Videos from the Boston Show:
Perfect Life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtxJ1ygSCc
Home Invasion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU3p6ovfYi8 (annoyingly, only partial. My phone decided to stop recording)
Regret #9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4d0GB26Bds
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You do realise the first video is Hand.Cannot:erase, not Perfect Life, right?
Great videos otherwise. Really looking forward to seeing him again in April.
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Crap, just edited the title! :lol
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Fuuuck, the Chicago show was amazing. Those of you who are my FB friends have probably seen this already, but Steven actually called me out from the stage during the show because he liked my shirt. I just about died. Then I had him sign it later and now I can never wear it again :lol
(https://rsmg.pbsrc.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/Mobile%20Uploads/20160309_013427_zpsrpcxvdy5.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)
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That's fantastic. :lol :tup
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Holy shit, that's awesome Jackie!
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THE BOMB!
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That is freaking sweet.
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Yeah, I felt my face turning beet red as he basically told the audience to look at me and then described the shirt to those who couldn't see :lol... my friend in the front row was all like " :caffeine: :tup" because she had said earlier "he's gonna love that if he sees it!"
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Jackie, that's so damn amazing. One in a lifetime experience for sure!
I'm seeing his concert on Sunday, and I'm pretty excited considering I saw him live last year.
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Freakin' awesome!! :tup
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One of these days I'll get around to a SW concert. He's definitely become one of my favorite artists in the last few years.
Regarding the Orpheum Theater in Boston....I have a love/hate relationship with that place. When I saw Dream Theater there in 2002 it was spectacular. Amazing sound, amazing performance.
I saw them at the same venue a few years later and had to leave after about 5 or 6 songs because it was so loud my brain was melting.
When I saw them two years ago on their "Breaking The Fourth Wall" tour (I was at the Boston show they recorded for the DVD) it was absolutely terrible. Worst sound I've ever heard from them, especially Petrucci's way, way over-processed guitar.
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Awesome T-shirt and story, Jackie! :tup
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Sooo jelly, Jackie! That's fucking ballin', fur shizzle. I'd have shit myself out of excitement and ruined the experience.
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Just posting, slightly inebriated, that the song combo Home Invasion -> Regret #9 leaves me speechless every single time. Sometimes I throw the album on during work, but when Home Invasion starts, essentially all bets are off and I listen to the music.
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Probably my least favorite section on the album... Home Invasion - SW goes Djent, Regret #9 - SW goes over-the-top prog solo wank in the same vein as DT sometimes does.
Routine is the shining light on the album IMO.
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I definitely don't mind djent stevie :metal
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Just posting, slightly inebriated, that the song combo Home Invasion -> Regret #9 leaves me speechless every single time. Sometimes I throw the album on during work, but when Home Invasion starts, essentially all bets are off and I listen to the music.
It is pretty awesome. The keyboard solo in Regret 9 is very Pink Floyd-esque, and the guitar solo manages to be beastly without ever getting wanky or anything like that. It really is a true gem. :coolio :hat
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I don't dislike that combo because the whole album is amazing, but it's also probably my least favorite of the album and probably the least original in my eyes. It's fine, but I don't love it nearly as much as most people seem to.
Sooo jelly, Jackie! That's fucking ballin', fur shizzle. I'd have shit myself out of excitement and ruined the experience.
:lol, I very well could have.
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Holy shit, I got a pretty amazing setlist yesterday.
Set 1:
Hand.Cannot.Erase (With some songs entirely sung by Ninet, such as Hand.Cannot.Erase, Routine and Ancestral)
Set 2:
Drag Ropes
Open Car
My Book of Regrets
Index
Don't Hate Me (With Ninet, obviously!)
Vermillioncore
Sleep Together
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Space Oddity
The Sound of Muzak
I would've loved to get Dark Matter, but I never thought I would someday see a song from Storm Corrosion live! Also, I already had seen Dark Matter live back in 2007 (Fear of a Blank Planet tour), so there's that. The show was an easy 10/10, and one of the most powerful performances I've seen live (almost as as awesome as the 2012 Grace for Drowning show in Mexico City that was recorded for DVD).
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I feel like he brings it up live with every tour. While the HCE show I saw wasn't my favorite, that was mainly because I thought HCE was his weakest solo album, and much of the setlist revolved around that. My favorite live show was still probably the GFD tour, since GFD/Insurgentes was his two best solo albums IMO, but if we're talking just the show/spectacle itself, it got better on Raven and got even better on HCE.
Can't wait to see what he does for the next album.
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I hope for something more modern and electronic :metal
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I hope for something in the style of Raven only with more parts like the beginning of The Watchmaker, the whole Drive Home with addition of ballads like Routine and Happy Returns. So I guess a blend of Raven and HCE with bringing out their best parts will work for me.
Or he can go 70s hard rock / power metal route and I still won't complain.
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I read on Prog Mag that Steven wants to do something different now, unlike HCE or Insurgentes, so I doubt he'll return to the prog worship boat :P
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I read on Prog Mag that Steven wants to do something different now, unlike HCE or Insurgentes, so I doubt he'll return to the prog worship boat :P
I've read the same. But I still hope for something like I described, because what the hell, I can hope.
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It would be exciting if he made something with other musicians. As great as his current band is, and how diverse they are, as a solo musician he has the chance to change it up and do something with some other musicians (who has another view on music) and get something really different. I think most of us would say PT had a nice evolution going, but eventually SW got tired of the band environment because there will always be limitations and you still gotta have a somewhat similar view on the music. Even though his last few solo albums have had their differences, it's never gonna be truly different unless he makes it so. Plus, nothing says he can't use those guys for the next solo album again. Just make a one-off truly unique/different album either entirely by himself and some guests, or create a new little group of musicians who are different and have their roots in other genres.
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Yeah, as much as I love Guthrie and Marco, I'd love to see him playing with someone else - maybe with Gavin again, once he's free from the King Crimson stuff. I'd personally love to hear Ninet more involved in the next album.
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Gavin is thanked in the liner notes for HCE, so I'm curious where he worked on the album
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Gavin is thanked in the liner notes for HCE, so I'm curious where he worked on the album
I don't think he worked on HCE but he did work on Storm Corrosion and was part of the Royal Albert Show (after HCE was released).
He also worked on Insurgentes as well.
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I miss Gavin's drum sound in Steven's recordings.
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Yeah, he may just be thanked or maybe he lent something to the recording, like a drum or something. Akerfeldt is also mentioned, so it may just be a shout-out.
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So I was bored and made a list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r3Ku1oB9RDXICPnreLtpenOT8MLZ6VfJ3lmsyYG9GJ8/edit?usp=sharing) with every album on every Steven Wilson playlist and thought of sharing it here :corn
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I miss Gavin's drum sound in Steven's recordings.
I'm a big sucker for Gavin's drumming, but Marco's work is pretty damn sublime too.
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I like Marco more than Gavin probably, but both are excellent. Still, would love for SW to work with musicians he hasn't worked with before. Sure, bringing back Gavin, or Colin, or even Richard in some capacity sounds nice on paper, but then I'd rather take a full on PT album. If we're just speculating what he could do next, working with some new faces who aren't necessarily working within the progressive rock realm would be interesting I think.
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So I was bored and made a list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r3Ku1oB9RDXICPnreLtpenOT8MLZ6VfJ3lmsyYG9GJ8/edit?usp=sharing) with every album on every Steven Wilson playlist and thought of sharing it here :corn
No DT? What the hell is this?
:P
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I don't think SW has ever been a fan of DT. He probably respects them as musicians, but I've never heard him speak about them in any positive light (nor negative). It makes his appearance on Repentance a bit weird, and one of few moments in his career where it felt like he sold a bit of his soul to pay the rent, or something like that. I guess being on the same label as DT at the time helped. But I can just imagine the Roadrunner-guys telling him about it, pushing him and going "it will be a good marketing ploy for your own music" :P
I guess it was a sarcastic remark tho
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So I was bored and made a list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r3Ku1oB9RDXICPnreLtpenOT8MLZ6VfJ3lmsyYG9GJ8/edit?usp=sharing) with every album on every Steven Wilson playlist and thought of sharing it here :corn
Wow thanks! I'll be digging into that a lot!
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I don't think SW has ever been a fan of DT. He probably respects them as musicians, but I've never heard him speak about them in any positive light (nor negative). It makes his appearance on Repentance a bit weird, and one of few moments in his career where it felt like he sold a bit of his soul to pay the rent, or something like that. I guess being on the same label as DT at the time helped. But I can just imagine the Roadrunner-guys telling him about it, pushing him and going "it will be a good marketing ploy for your own music" :P
I guess it was a sarcastic remark tho
He apologised in that song for making lots of statements quite snob about prog and Dream Theater, saying that he tends to express his opinions as facts, and accepts that's arrogant. I also think he said Repentance was "amazing", which wouldn't surprise me considering the dark atmosphere and the emotion behind it.
So I was bored and made a list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r3Ku1oB9RDXICPnreLtpenOT8MLZ6VfJ3lmsyYG9GJ8/edit?usp=sharing) with every album on every Steven Wilson playlist and thought of sharing it here :corn
Wow thanks! I'll be digging into that a lot!
You're welcome! Steven seems to be pretty big on jazz, drone, and even harsh noise (wtf), among other stuff, so have fun :smiley:
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He apologised in that song for making lots of statements quite snob about prog and Dream Theater, saying that he tends to express his opinions as facts, and accepts that's arrogant. I also think he said Repentance was "amazing", which wouldn't surprise me considering the dark atmosphere and the emotion behind it.
Bummer that there's no other song or moment in DT's discography that sounds even remotely like Repentance. :P
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Yeah, like has been said, I don't think SW, by and large, cares for DT's style of prog (lots of notes). Heck, even though his music has gotten busier on the last few albums, it is still miles behind DT's when it comes to notes played fast and whatnot. But that's okay. It would be boring if we all liked the same thing and all of our favorite bands were similar.
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I guess it was a sarcastic remark tho
Indeed :smiley:
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At the venue, about an hour for the show to begin :caffeine:
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HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT.
I just came back from the gig and it was AMAZING AAAAAAHHH. Fantastic setlist :hefdaddy
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My report of last month's show in Tampere is finally out: https://www.musicalypse.net/?p=235
Easily one of my best concert experiences ever! :metal
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I miss Gavin's drum sound in Steven's recordings.
I'm a big sucker for Gavin's drumming, but Marco's work is pretty damn sublime too.
I agree with you on this (like many here), but I'm really impressed with Craig Blundell work too (and it seems in interviews that SW too):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4WPm3ZVaIQ (drum cam home invasion)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-E6QS--Gfs (drum cam vermillioncore)
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New musical direction for the next album comfirmed: It's dubchickenpostfunkcore.
(check his facebookpage if you're confused)
And daaamn, I have the sound and beat of the chicken stuck in my head in an endless loop :lol
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HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT.
I just came back from the gig and it was AMAZING AAAAAAHHH. Fantastic setlist :hefdaddy
Couldn't agree more. He kicked ass. It's a shame that the AC issue prevented me from enjoying the show 100%
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Oh it didn't bother me tbh, since it only happened during the first half of the show. They fucking rocked anyways :2metal:
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Finally giving the new EP a ton of listens and it is really good.
My Book of Regrets is a great freaking tune, with a wonderful solo.
Year of the Plague was a grower, and I really dig it now. Beautiful little instrumental.
Happiness III is pure musical bliss. SW rarely does happy, but he did it here, and did it marvelously.
Sunday Rain Sets In and Vermillioncore are both solid tunes.
The new Don't Hate Me can't top the original, but is still nice.
Very nice little EP before we get the next full length record. :tup :tup
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Yeah I have a bit more of an opinion on it now that I've listened a ton. I really enjoy My Book more and more as I listen (dat organ too), still loove Plague, so pretty and haunting... Happiness is like, the catchiest thing EVER and I adore it... Sunday Rain is short and sweet, Vermillion is badass (and I loved how they performed it live with that video), and Don't Hate Me is still easily my least favorite. I respect what SW did as he had a vision of it being sort of a duet, but I thought it was perfect before and Ninet's voice kind of gets on my nerves in this one.
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Ninet's voice kind of gets on my nerves in this one.
*Gasp*
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I know, pretty much all of you are in love with her. I think she has a good voice, but it sometimes irritates me with all the little squeaks and whatnot. It doesn't really work for me in that song. In the original, Steven's wail is really kind of heartbreaking, but hers lacks the same soul.
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I entirely and wholeheartedly agree Jackie. Once I started noticing her squeaks they started to take over the performance for me. To me Steven's performance is still the gold standard. Also agree that she doesn't capture the mood quite right.
Also, random comment: One of my favorite moments on HCE is Home Invasion, 1:20 exactly. Marco's drum roll that turns into a hit is just so delightful. It's bizarre to say, but that single snare hit might be my favorite drum moment of 2015.
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That is not a bizarre thing to say here :lol
And good, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. I like her voice, but can't get down with the squeakness.
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Guys, don't ruin her voice for me.
:emo:
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I like her voice, I just wish she was given more interesting things to sing. A cover song is always hard to sing, especially a song like Don't Hate Me which is a very emotional song and the delivery has to capture the feeling of the lyrics, something SW nailed in the original (because he wrote it).
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I noticed the squeaks on Don't Hate Me immediately. Definitely a down-point on that song. But then, I consider the EP proper to end at Vermillioncore, and Don't Hate Me acting as a "bonus track".
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I agree, which is why I often skip it and start from the beginning.
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So they put on 4 1/2 in the record store today! I made my friend stay there with me for the first two tracks and ended up buying a Bruce Willis vinyl while we listened :lol... I found the guy who had put it on and apparently it was his first time hearing it but he liked HCE. He had never heard of SW or PT prior to that. I geeked out on him a bit before finally leaving. Good times. Nothing like hearing your favorite not-that-famous artist suddenly come on in a store!
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I finally caved in and bought the book edition of HCE... Pricey but worth it! I love the album so much that I would've regretted not getting one. The extra stuff like the birth certificate, the drawings and the letters are really cool!
I know, pretty much all of you are in love with her. I think she has a good voice, but it sometimes irritates me with all the little squeaks and whatnot. It doesn't really work for me in that song. In the original, Steven's wail is really kind of heartbreaking, but hers lacks the same soul.
Agreed. I love Ninet's voice on the HCE originals, but the squeaks are distracting and I prefer SW on Don't Hate Me.
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It's a nice book edition (like all his book editions). Even though I thought HCE was his weakest solo album, and overall underwhelming, IMO it's never a bad purchase to buy a Steven Wilson book-edition. I really regret not getting Insurgentes back in the day though. After GFD that one is my favorite, but it must cost a fortune on ebay now.
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I noticed the squeaks on Don't Hate Me immediately. Definitely a down-point on that song. But then, I consider the EP proper to end at Vermillioncore, and Don't Hate Me acting as a "bonus track".
That's interesting because I find those squeaks to be one of the coolest things about her vocal delivery. :hat
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People seem to overlook something. If those 'squeaks' are part of the final version, it's because both Ninet and Steven were OK with them. That's how Steven wanted this new version of Don't Hate Me to sound, so that's entirely ok by me. Steven, as a producer, has all the authority in the world to guide Ninet's performance and tell her 'hey Ninet, maybe you could try this a little bit different'.
Now, if you don't like it, that's also fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the 4 1/2 version of the song is how Steven wants it to sound with all its tiny details included.
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People seem to overlook something. If those 'squeaks' are part of the final version, it's because both Ninet and Steven were OK with them. That's how Steven wanted this new version of Don't Hate Me to sound, so that's entirely ok by me. Steven, as a producer, has all the authority in the world to guide Ninet's performance and tell her 'hey Ninet, maybe you could try this a little bit different'.
Now, if you don't like it, that's also fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the 4 1/2 version of the song is how Steven wants it to sound with all its tiny details included.
Sure, but that doesn't really matter to us listeners. If it's good - it's good, if it's bad - it's bad. Whether the artist intended for the song to be that way, or it was accidental, it doesn't really matter. Any artist would say that their song sounds like they wanted it to sound.
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Yeah, nobody is overlooking anything. It's the same as saying you don't like absolutely any other song or element of a song in the world- an opinion. I never said the squeaks indicated bad decision-making or production, I said I don't like them. I know what SW intended with the song and that's fine (as I said in my post above from two days ago), I just think it's weaker than the original.
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IMO the instrumental section from 3:10 to 5:19 is even more amazing in this new version, with a fantastic bass/drum work here!
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The bass/drum work are great, but I kinda miss the flute.
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If it's at the same tempo and in the same key, you can just grab those solos from the Stupid Dream surround mix (center channel) and drop them right in the new recording!
... May try that when I get home.
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The flute-ness is greatly missed. I think this is one of the handful of PT or SW songs that I actually just don't like. Definitely the first song that I dislike Ninet. I think she's the worst part of it to be blunt, but overall the whole atmosphere of the song feels off to me. The isolation, desperation and all around melancholy that make the original so beautiful to me seem lost. Other than that I love the half album and really look forward to what comes next but at this point I'd rather bands in general leave originals the way they are. I rarely like remakes.
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Amen.
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I also agree with that.
I don't dislike the remake, but I have no use for it. The original is about 100 times better, in every way.
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SW's remakes in general don't work for me. His remake of Shesmovedon was also inferior to the original, IMHO.
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Very true. And let's not forget how badly he botched Burning Sky on the Up the Downstair remaster. SW can do no wrong...except when it comes to remaking his own songs apparently. :lol
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Dunno, the live version of Index is fantastic and miles better than the album one :P
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Dunno, the live version of Index is fantastic and miles better than the album one :P
I completely agree with this. And each tour he changes it a little and I still like it.
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Dunno, the live version of Index is fantastic and miles better than the album one :P
The live version he played on the GfD/Raven tour was great but then he did a weird a capella version with snapping his fingers on the HCE tour which was not good IMO.
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Dunno, the live version of Index is fantastic and miles better than the album one :P
The live version he played on the GfD/Raven tour was great but then he did a weird a capella version with snapping his fingers on the HCE tour which was not good IMO.
What, the version were he snaps his fingers at the intro was amazing live! It really added to the creepy atmosphere of the song.
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Fingersnapping should only be reserved for barbershop quartets.
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Disagree my friend. I found it very cool but to each his own.
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Count me among people who liked the finger-snapping version. I thought it worked very well live.
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It's was very 80's like. Bowie, Gary Newman like.
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I wasn't sure what to make of that version, to be honest. I appreciated the effort to do something different, though, but it still wasn't one of the highlights.
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I love that version of Index. I also still like the Deadwing version of Shesmovedon a lot even though it is indeed inferior.
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Ninet's voice kind of gets on my nerves in this one.
*Gasp*
I feel like I'm the only on this forum who doesn't care/like any of Ninet's vocals.
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Ninet's voice kind of gets on my nerves in this one.
*Gasp*
I feel like I'm the only on this forum who doesn't care/like any of Ninet's vocals.
I'm with you. Her voice is not bad or anything, but Steven could have taken just about any female singer out there and it would have sounded equally good or better.
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Dunno, the live version of Index is fantastic and miles better than the album one :P
The live version he played on the GfD/Raven tour was great but then he did a weird a capella version with snapping his fingers on the HCE tour which was not good IMO.
What, the version were he snaps his fingers at the intro was amazing live! It really added to the creepy atmosphere of the song.
I'm with Zantera. The finger snaps version is by far the most pretentious he's ever been and it reeks of trying-too-hard-ism (whatever that means, I guess :lol ). It would sound very cool if the snaps were replaced with the solo'd industrial percussion thing instead.
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I don't care, it was awesome when I went to the gig, despite having little coordination :lol
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Steven said live he is pretentious. :lol
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Just came back from the gig. It was my third time seeing him (the most I've seen any artist), but there was enough new stuff to still keep it fresh.
At first when they came on stage they all seemed a bit down (especially Steven), which Steven explained after 3 Years Older. They had just gotten the news that Prince had died, one of his musical idols apparently. They cheered up after a time though, and by the time the second set started, everyone was smiling (at least when it was appropriate to smile, during the more fun songs and breaks). When they came back on for the encore, Steven said he wanted to try and play a song by Prince, but he hadn't had time to look up the chords or rehearse with the band so he just started playing the song he covered on Cover Version. It took him a few tries before he got the key to sing along with, and none of the other musicians on stage were familiar with the song so he just showed Dave Kilminister the chords quickly and he played some kind of a rhythm line, with the audience clapping along and Steven joining in with his acoustic guitar during the chorus (and singing all the time obviously). They stopped after about two minutes, probably because Steven was realizing there was another chord in there somewhere but couldn't quite figure out which chord it was on the spot. Still, it was a nice tribute and a very special, spontaneous moment in the show that I'll remember for a long time. I love it when artists to something that obviously wasn't planned, even if it's not perfect. Moments like these make such good memories.
Other than that cover, Sleep Together was my highlight of the show. I'd forgotten how epic the end of that song is, especially in a live setting. Great concert, I'm glad that I went and cancelled some other stuff the day before.
Oh, and I liked the fingersnapping in Index, especially in combination with the pictures in the background changing with every snap.
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Dunno, the live version of Index is fantastic and miles better than the album one :P
:iagree:
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I agree as well. It's way better, even though the album version is still really good.
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I hope for the next tour I see him with Marco and Guthrie again. The two current ones are good too, but it's not quite the same.
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At least Marco recently hinted that he may not be involved with SW's band anymore: https://www.facebook.com/marco.minnemann.77/photos/pb.60833133772.-2207520000.1461563233./10153746080283773/?type=3
Just found this shot of Steven and I, taken a few months ago at the Classic Rock Awards in London. And it just reminded me about how cool that band was after all and also of course about the albums we've recorded together over the last few years. Life's sometimes crazy when you tour a lot, it's sort of like rotating at the edge of a black hole, where time morphs and you lose perspective :). With all the touring for Steven Wilson, Joe Satriani and the Aristocrats, I wasn't even home since June last year! And then while browsing through the tour pictures, this one showed up, and I thought: Right, we used to play together, ...almost a bit emotional, isn't it.. :)
TBH I don't mind, because Craig Blundell is a great drummer (and a down-to-earth guy judging by his FB posts) too, and I actually prefer Kilminster to Guthrie on guitar. Don't get me wrong, Guthrie is a great player, but he seemed a little bit distant at the show I went to last year and I feel like Kilminster's playing style meshes better with Wilson's.
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At least Marco recently hinted that he may not be involved with SW's band anymore: https://www.facebook.com/marco.minnemann.77/photos/pb.60833133772.-2207520000.1461563233./10153746080283773/?type=3
Just found this shot of Steven and I, taken a few months ago at the Classic Rock Awards in London. And it just reminded me about how cool that band was after all and also of course about the albums we've recorded together over the last few years. Life's sometimes crazy when you tour a lot, it's sort of like rotating at the edge of a black hole, where time morphs and you lose perspective :). With all the touring for Steven Wilson, Joe Satriani and the Aristocrats, I wasn't even home since June last year! And then while browsing through the tour pictures, this one showed up, and I thought: Right, we used to play together, ...almost a bit emotional, isn't it.. :)
TBH I don't mind, because Craig Blundell is a great drummer (and a down-to-earth guy judging by his FB posts) too, and I actually prefer Kilminster to Guthrie on guitar. Don't get me wrong, Guthrie is a great player, but he seemed a little bit distant at the show I went to last year and I feel like Kilminster's playing style meshes better with Wilson's.
Added to that, I don't know for sure, but it seems that Craig and Kilminster are more avaible to a full/exclusive comitement with a band.
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So I was bored and made a list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r3Ku1oB9RDXICPnreLtpenOT8MLZ6VfJ3lmsyYG9GJ8/edit?usp=sharing) with every album on every Steven Wilson playlist and thought of sharing it here :corn
Bumping the thread because I've updated this :P
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So I was bored and made a list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r3Ku1oB9RDXICPnreLtpenOT8MLZ6VfJ3lmsyYG9GJ8/edit?usp=sharing) with every album on every Steven Wilson playlist and thought of sharing it here :corn
Bumping the thread because I've updated this :P
I bookmarked it, whenever I don't know what to listen to, I'll just grab an album off of there. Thanks for your effort!
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You're welcome! I hope you've found some good stuff there :smiley:
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Looks like Insurgentes has been re-relased with a more quiet, dynamic master. From DR6 to DR9. I can confirm it sounds even better now, less compressed and a bit cleaner :hat
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Even though we all already knew this and/or expected it, it's nice to get an update of sorts! Workin' on SW5 (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwFAdnvYpn/?taken-by=stevenwilsonhq)! I cannot wait to hear what the man comes up with.
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Hopefully something more electronic and modern :smiley:
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Not really sure what to expect from SW5. Though he dabbles and showcases other genres (electronic, jazz), his solo career style has been somewhat confined to just that - prog with some other genres sprinkled in there - ever since Grace.
Which definitely works for him, but I'm hoping for something a little different and jarring akin to Grace following Insurgentes, for example. HCE was a good step in that direction. He does great at not repeating himself so it's hard to imagine him disappointing.
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I'm definitely hoping for something more like the first couple albums. I like the supremely emotional stories he's told but the sound of them is waning on me. Love the orchestral macabre world he's created but I'd love a change. As long as the feels keep coming, I'm all good no matter what though, but I'd prefer to be feelsy and grooving as well.
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I really couldn't care less what style it is, I'm just pumped!
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So, several months ago after 4 1/2 came out, I had asked if anyone had any idea where the non-album tracks from the HCE sessions would fit, and after a lot of listening and lyric-reading, and visiting the HCE blog, I came up with a final track listing for a "complete" HCE, which runs at 96 minutes, or two CD-rs at exactly 48 minutes each (it just worked out that way after I cross-faded tracks and what not).
1. First Regret / 3 Years Older
2. Hand Cannot Erase
3. Perfect Life
4. Key Of Skeleton
5. My Book Of Regrets
6. Sunday Rain Sets In
7. Routine
8. Happiness III
9. Vermillioncore
10. Home Invasion / Regret #9
11. Transience
12. Ancestral
13. Happy Returns / Ascendant Here On... / Last Regret
Each chunk was made out to be about a side of vinyl (as I like to do with most of my 2-CD tracklist remixes), each running 22 to 25 minutes or so, and I also kept in mind the pacing of instrumental tracks throughout the whole album as well.
It runs together very nicely, and the new tracks transition well with the older ones, at least to me, and I enjoy this version as much as I did the old one. I'm sure SW purists will scoff at the idea of making his albums longer "than they need to be", but I personally love longer albums, especially double/2-CD albums, more so if they're conceptual in nature. If anyone tries out this tracklisting, let me know what you think, or if you have ideas for alternative tracklistings, though I'll probably stick to this one for the time being (if not the rest of my life) as I quite enjoy it now (and have had the 2-CDrs burned and in my car for a couple of weeks).
-Marc.
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I tried to do something like that with FOABP/NR, but I could never find anything that was satisfying. The running order on the 2-LP seems more like the NR tracks are just "tacked on" as an afterthought, so I never really accepted it. I had at least 2 different orders that I liked better, but nothing that really flowed like I had hoped it would.
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Not to be a spoil sport, but I don't think the 4 1/2 tracks fit amongst the HCE tracks; they were left off that album for a reason.
I also agree about Fear/Nil Recurring.
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I tried to do something like that with FOABP/NR, but I could never find anything that was satisfying. The running order on the 2-LP seems more like the NR tracks are just "tacked on" as an afterthought, so I never really accepted it. I had at least 2 different orders that I liked better, but nothing that really flowed like I had hoped it would.
Regarding FOABP/NR, I actually grew to really enjoy the 2LP version of the track list quite a bit. The recurring themes and ideas presented on Side 4 really help tie together the album and the first three sides. The opening drum groove to "Nil Recurring" is the closing drum groove from the title track, while "Normal" is a great flip-side to "Sentimental", as the protagonist begins to realize that life isn't what they thought it was, and they wake up to reality, moving into the final track, "What Happens Now?" which revisits some lyrical and musical ideas from previous songs on the album, and works better as a closer than "Sleep Together" (at least, to me it does).
Sure it looks like those three tracks from NR were "just tacked on the end" because of time, but in terms of the flow of the "story" of the album, it fit very well to me. The final side was the wrap-up/conclusion to the rest of the album that we didn't already get, and it fits perfectly to me.
As for HCE, after reading the lyrics to the four HCE-outtakes (or at least the tracks recorded during those sessions), and reading numerous interviews with SW about those tracks, I did feel like they could be included, and some of them were intended to be but were eventually cut due to wanting the album to be shorter and more concise. As someone who enjoys inserting non-album same-session tracks back into their "parent album" (as I've done with numerous Flower Kings albums, Porcupine Tree albums, Dream Theater albums where applicable, as well as Genesis and Yes albums, etc.), having these HCE outtakes really spurred me on to try and accomplish the same thing, but it seemed harder since this was a concept album, so trying to find out how those other pieces fit felt like a challenging puzzle, but I understand if some folks don't see how they might fit, or just don't prefer to have them in there at all. Some fans are completely content with keeping their albums as they are, and that's fine, but I like exploring the possibilities of including more material when possible.
-Marc.
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Regarding FOABP/NR, I actually grew to really enjoy the 2LP version of the track list quite a bit. The recurring themes and ideas presented on Side 4 really help tie together the album and the first three sides. The opening drum groove to "Nil Recurring" is the closing drum groove from the title track, while "Normal" is a great flip-side to "Sentimental", as the protagonist begins to realize that life isn't what they thought it was, and they wake up to reality, moving into the final track, "What Happens Now?" which revisits some lyrical and musical ideas from previous songs on the album, and works better as a closer than "Sleep Together" (at least, to me it does).
Sure it looks like those three tracks from NR were "just tacked on the end" because of time, but in terms of the flow of the "story" of the album, it fit very well to me. The final side was the wrap-up/conclusion to the rest of the album that we didn't already get, and it fits perfectly to me.
It's good you put that level of consideration into it, but the fact is FOABP is a theme album rather than a proper concept: every song is about or related to the disaffected teen theme, but there is no coherent storyline whatsoever. You have to make MASSIVE leaps of logic for the whole thing to read like event-to-event. The clincher is, quite simply, "My Ashes" – the eulogy for the disaffected kid AFTER he's shed the problems and can look back in 20/20, placed as track #2 after the title track introduces the kid and his disaffectation (I made a word!). Then it's followed by "Anesthetize" which is, lyrically (if not musically), a smattering of the same stuff from FOABP without any progression or change, and "Sentimental" which also talks about the same stuff without progression or change. The only 'events' are in WOOH and potentially "Sleep Together," plus the bonus tracks.
It's much, much more related musically than it is lyrically. Dropping in Nil Recurring tracks will fit anywhere because it's already a set of vignettes placed out of order lyrically but in a nice set of transitions musically. That's why "Cheating the Polygraph" works so well as track 3 on the vinyl – makes zero sense lyrically, but the music follows perfectly after MA, and sets up a better transition into the music of "Anesthetize."
I quite like what you did with HCE, since it has much more of a narrative sense. (I'd leave out "Key of Skeleton" because I think it's really awful, though...)
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Going from memory... I think my listing for FOABP/NR was
1. Fear of a Blank Planet
2. My Ashes
3. Normal
4. Anesthetize
5. Cheating the Polygraph
6. Sentimental
7. Way Out of Here
8. What Happens Now?
9. Nil Recurring
10. Sleep Together
EDIT - Fixed.
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Going from memory... I think my listing for FOABP/NR was
1. Fear of a Blank Planet
2. My Ashes
3. Normal
4. Anesthetize
5. Cheating the Polygraph
6. Sentimental
7. Way Out of Here
8. Way Out of Here
9. Nil Recurring
10. Sleep Together
You must really like "Way Out Of Here", eh?
-Marc.
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Guessing one is supposed to be What Happens Now? Shame. That and Sleep Together are my top 2 for sure.
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1. Anesthetize
2. Fear of a blank planet
3. Way out of here
4. Cheating the polygraph
5. Normal
6. What happens now?
7. Sleep together
8. Sentimental
9. My ashes
10. Nil recurring
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No no no no no.....it's not a ranking. It was my running order to put the two albums together as a single album.
Stay on topic!!! :rollin
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No no no no no.....it's not a ranking. It was my running order to put the two albums together as a single album.
Stay on topic!!! :rollin
You listed Way Out Of Here twice in your running order, hence his comment ;)
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Dang. I honestly need to learn how to read, this isn't the first time this has happened. :lol
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No no no no no.....it's not a ranking. It was my running order to put the two albums together as a single album.
Stay on topic!!! :rollin
You listed Way Out Of Here twice in your running order, hence his comment ;)
DOH!!!! I just noticed that. Yes....track 8 (beginning side 4) is What Happens Now. Thanks for the catch.
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Just read that he is (or has) remixed KC Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair 🙂... Gonna have to buy those as well as his Dicipline remix. I love that era of Crimson. Can also see there will be a box set coming in October that will include all three... So guess I'll hold off on Disipline for now.
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On 17th June, Steven is releasing Insurgentes, Grace for Drowning, The Raven that Refused to Sing (and Other Stories), Hand.Cannot.Erase, 4½ and Cover Version to the following services: Apple Music, Deezer, Google Play, Napster, Spotify and TIDAL.
I'm sure most of you have this in physical format and don't care much about this but for a long time now I've been using spotify 95% of the time and having these available makes me super happy
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That is good news.
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That is good news.
This.
Also, updated the albums list. Lots of weird stuff there.
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Yay, finally I'll be able to listen to his solo stuff at work! :D
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Wonder what made him change his mind?
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Wonder what made him change his mind?
https://t.co/u8xHmHJkuD
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That's a good interview.
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Yes, that's a very interesting read! I really hope he gets more fans through streaming, he deserves it :tup
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I liked 4 1/2 when it came out, but got bored with it soon. Not of the same creative quality as HCE in my opinion.
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I liked 4 1/2 when it came out, but got bored with it soon. Not of the same creative quality as HCE in my opinion.
Well it is B-Sides...
But I agree, even though I found it kinda meh initially as well. But there's nothing worth returning for.
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I view 4 1/2 as a little snack to hold us over until the next full length album comes out.
That said, I do like all of it, and Happiness III is one of his catchiest songs ever.
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Wonder what made him change his mind?
https://t.co/u8xHmHJkuD
Thanks, pretty interesting read.
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New North America dates this fall courtesy of SW's Facebook!
Steven Wilson is returning to North America in November! See tour dates below. Tickets are on sale this Friday, 24th June.
3rd - Roseland Theater, Portland
4th - The Masonic, San Francisco
5th - The Belasco, Los Angeles
6th - Belly Up, Solano Beach
9th - Celebrity Theatre, Phoenix
11th - In The Venue, Salt Lake City
12th - Gothic Theatre, Denver
15th - Majestic Theatre, Dallas
17th - Center Stage, Atlanta
18th - The Plaza Live, Orlando
19th - State Theatre, Tampa
20th - culture room, Fort Lauderdale
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/tour-dates/
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I'm kind of surprised that SW is hitting NA again..not that I'm complaining. I just thought the HCE/4 1/2 cycle was over. I think I'll hit the Dallas show.
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Wow that is surprising... Hopefully I'll get to that Atlanta show
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So pumped he's coming to Denver!
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I want to go to the LA show. I missed the HCE tour. But... I don't know where I will be financially at that time. /shrugs
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So pumped he's coming to Denver!
Heh, I am already trying to talk a friend into us flying out there for that show, since it is on a Saturday (and we both work days job M-F).
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I'm thinking bout hitting up the Denver show.
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Oh yes, I can't wait. Atlanta for sure.
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Oops, wrong thread.
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just got a ticket for LA with the live nation presale, although it was odd that all seats were GA despite it being a nice-looking seated theater. I'm hoping live nation didn't mess up and screw me, but i guess ill figure it out
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So pumped he's coming to Denver!
Heh, I am already trying to talk a friend into us flying out there for that show, since it is on a Saturday (and we both work days job M-F).
Do iiiiiiit! We could party!!
I'm thinking bout hitting up the Denver show.
You too!
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Hehe, we shall see. It's all a matter of money and us both being able to go that weekend. Would be fun as heck for sure. :coolio
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Just saw an email that SW is coming to my town later this year, not sure if I'm going to see him without Guthrie. I might pop by anyway because the venue is a three minute walk from my apartment.
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I'm just going to pretend I didn't read that :|
And Kev, if you need a couch I'm maybe 20min from the venue :biggrin:
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Noted. :biggrin:
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Does anybody have the presale code for Dallas?
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I'm just going to pretend I didn't read that :|
And Kev, if you need a couch I'm maybe 20min from the venue :biggrin:
Jackie if you want to come to Florida and crash at my place to watch SW you're more than welcome too, I'll be more motivated to go :lol
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Wonder what made him change his mind?
https://t.co/u8xHmHJkuD
Not trying troll or anything but I never understood he hate on the iPod or selling songs by individual songs. I feel that if you're releasing music out into the world then people are free to dissect and read into it how they like.
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I read that interview earlier and I agree with SW for the most part.
His stance on Prince was spot-on. You have to get with the times, and going out of your way to prevent people from hearing your music at all is just not smart in the current age we live in.
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Wonder what made him change his mind?
https://t.co/u8xHmHJkuD
Not trying troll or anything but I never understood he hate on the iPod or selling songs by individual songs. I feel that if you're releasing music out into the world then people are free to dissect and read into it how they like.
He's just a lover of the old tradition of listening to music - albums as a whole piece and dedicating your time to read the lyrics and appreciate the artwork. I personally respect that, I rarely listen to songs outside their original context, I just follow what the artist intended.
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Wooo, bought tickets to the Denver show! I got two, just in case...
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Wonder what made him change his mind?
https://t.co/u8xHmHJkuD
Not trying troll or anything but I never understood he hate on the iPod or selling songs by individual songs. I feel that if you're releasing music out into the world then people are free to dissect and read into it how they like.
He's just a lover of the old tradition of listening to music - albums as a whole piece and dedicating your time to read the lyrics and appreciate the artwork. I personally respect that, I rarely listen to songs outside their original context, I just follow what the artist intended.
The thing that always annoyed me about the SW iPod smashing is that this critique you've brought up - I'm pretty sure he did indeed say nearly that exact thing a few times - is that iPods can do that! Once they updated them (and iTunes) to do gapless playback, this was no longer an issue. Whatsoever. It was people CHOOSING to make playlists and not pay attention to albums that resulted in the 'playlist mentality' he hates on, which he did HIMSELF by making mixtapes back in the day (also admitted many times). There's no less care taken in making playlists vs. cassettes except dubbing time, for all sorts of people.
The actual issue is that there's no physical thing to play or art to look through. So SW shouldn't have been smashing iPods, he should have been smashing computers with "MP3" sprayed on the monitors.
Someone should make a video of taking a sledgehammer to one of his huge boxsets just to end the whole damn thing. :rollin
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I don't mind SW's opinion about it, since I share the same opinion, that an album should be listened to as an album and not split up for a "randomized" play-list, but he is fighting an uphill battle and at this point we've heard the same rants from him for almost a decade. The iPod-smashing and all of this started around Insurgentes and that was back in 2008. Cool for the fans who actually use streaming services that he finally released the albums, though personally I don't really care either way. The general idea that making your music available on as many formats as possible is beneficial is something I agree with, and at SW's position, he doesn't need to chose between hardcore fans or casual fans. He can let the passionate fans experience his albums in one sitting and he can let the Spotify-generation experience the music one song at the time, and it will benefit him both ways.
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While I generally listen more to albums and far less to individual songs I don't see the big fuss about it.
There are records that don't work when listening to the songs individually and there are records where it really doesn't matter. And there are records that have some good songs and a lot of crap. It always depends on the type of listener and the type of record.
And it was this way before ipod and spotify. We listened to the radio, we went to clubs and pubs and bars and we made our mixtapes.
And what is it with live concerts? Following SW''s argument strictly, the artist should always play whole records and not the best songs from different records. Sure sometimes they do this, especially when it's concept records or anniversaries but mostly it's a career spanning selection of individual songs. And the concerts aren't worse for it.
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While I generally listen more to albums and far less to individual songs I don't see the big fuss about it.
There are records that don't work when listening to the songs individually and there are records where it really doesn't matter. And there are records that have some good songs and a lot of crap. It always depends on the type of listener and the type of record.
And it was this way before ipod and spotify. We listened to the radio, we went to clubs and pubs and bars and we made our mixtapes.
And what is it with live concerts? Following SW''s argument strictly, the artist should always play whole records and not the best songs from different records. Sure sometimes they do this, especially when it's concept records or anniversaries but mostly it's a career spanning selection of individual songs. And the concerts aren't worse for it.
Exactly.
Steven may have a point, generally, about audio quality, fidelity, and the album as an experience or some such, but he carried it a bit too far and as a result comes off a bit curmudgeonly and luddite-ish.
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I don't think the problem is that he "carried it too far", some artists are not on streaming services and probably never be, but the difference is they don't really talk about it. With SW, it has been brought up in almost every interview for 10 years. "The poetry of the album", "today's youth don't know what we had" and so on. He could have said that once in 2008 and it would have been fine, but when it has been brought up every year for almost a decade, it gets annoying to hear it.
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I've never had a problem with Steven's opinion, but then again he would have in the past had a problem with my opinion despite me being a huge fan and supporter of his for a long fucking time. Which is to say, I'm not sure why anyone would care that much about what someone else does with their own property. This extends to many things in life (the old "YOU HATE WHAT I LOVE" or visa versa shtick) but this one is particularly interesting because no matter what, he was basically giving the bird to people that support and love his music and gave them shit for listening to it in a certain format and way.
I'm glad he lightened the fuck up and similarly woke up because it really doesn't matter. In this age of music, it's a god send and a miraculous thing if people even buy the music at all. Hell, even on a streaming service, it's at least something. These days buying the album/physical format is just the other nine yards of fandom it seems. It is what it is. I personally will always buy his physical formats, but I do so to support him extra and to fuel my useless, stupid human condition of materialism. I can't remember the last time I actually listened to a physical album. I've used digital and will continue to for a while because of the sheer and utter convenience of it and while I don't have particularly bad hearing, I sure as shit cannot hear the difference between audio and a motherfucking CD/Vinyl. Kudos to those who can. Which not only isn't hurting anyone, but Steven gets my extra support and I get to not carry around loads of albums and shit during my hectic life and still listen to all my favorite bands. Win-win.
Excited to see all his stuff on Apple Music despite the fact that I already had it in my collection. It's actually helpful to me also because of memory usage. There's a lot of bands I listen to that don't have their music on Apple Music so I have a lot of space taken up due to having it on my phone's drive. In celebration of this, I will listen to every album of his out of order, and then make a mixed playlist of each of my favorite songs across all his albums. :lol :metal :millahhhh
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As someone with light OCD myself (when it comes to certain things), I can relate to him though. He's putting his work out there, and I can understand him wanting people to experience it as he created it. Not just randomly in a playlist out of order or something. But in the end he is not really controlling it but rather holding it back. The only way he could really get around it would be if he made albums with 1 songs on them, like a 55 minute song and that's the album. Then you can't split it up and listen to it out of order as easily. :lol
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The only way he could really get around it would be if he made albums with 1 songs on them, like a 55 minute song and that's the album. Then you can't split it up and listen to it out of order as easily. :lol
That's about the only thing on the prog checklist he hasn't done!
In the technical sense, of course. The Incident is basically that but with track splits.
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The only way he could really get around it would be if he made albums with 1 songs on them, like a 55 minute song and that's the album. Then you can't split it up and listen to it out of order as easily. :lol
That's about the only thing on the prog checklist he hasn't done!
In the technical sense, of course. The Incident is basically that but with track splits.
It would end up being at LEAST two tracks, though, being the vinyl-lover that he is. So if it's one album, it'd end up being two 20-25 minute tracks for one album. Maybe he'd splice them together on the CD though... :rollin
-Marc.
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Wow, opened this thread and found two cool pieces of news: Steven Wilson on spotify and the USA tour.
Never seen him live, but I might check out the Denver show.
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As someone with light OCD myself (when it comes to certain things), I can relate to him though. He's putting his work out there, and I can understand him wanting people to experience it as he created it. Not just randomly in a playlist out of order or something. But in the end he is not really controlling it but rather holding it back. The only way he could really get around it would be if he made albums with 1 songs on them, like a 55 minute song and that's the album. Then you can't split it up and listen to it out of order as easily. :lol
Well, as an artist, Steven Wilson should realize that once he puts his art out there, how people perceive, interpret, and enjoy it is completely out of his hands. The artist's intentions only go so far and I'm glad he's at least realized that people enjoying his music is more important than how they enjoy it.
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Wow, opened this thread and found two cool pieces of news: Steven Wilson on spotify and the USA tour.
Never seen him live, but I might check out the Denver show.
Woah, he's finally on Spotify. Granted, most of the Porcupine Tree disco is missing, but it's a start.
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The only way he could really get around it would be if he made albums with 1 songs on them, like a 55 minute song and that's the album. Then you can't split it up and listen to it out of order as easily. :lol
That's about the only thing on the prog checklist he hasn't done!
In the technical sense, of course. The Incident is basically that but with track splits.
It would end up being at LEAST two tracks, though, being the vinyl-lover that he is. So if it's one album, it'd end up being two 20-25 minute tracks for one album. Maybe he'd splice them together on the CD though... :rollin
-Marc.
Not that it's the same, but this was indeed the case with The Sky Moves Sideways alternate mix (one 34 minute piece on CD, split across two sides of vinyl).
The Incident disc 1 runs 55:08 though, so they'd be mighty long sides of vinyl! "The Yellow Windows..." is a pretty clear split point though. And perhaps some pieces could be edited down: mostly looking at some of the excess repetition in "Blind House" and atmospherics in "Occam's Razor," among other places. Potentially could've made the album better!
And then there's placing the 4 remaining songs between the two pieces, like TSMS...
Edit: Welp, I did it. The Incident part I after a bit of editing hits 23:15 and part II with hardly anything touched is 23:28. This is with "Yellow Windows" almost entirely removed (i.e. shortened to about 30 seconds on the end of I) and "I Drive the Hearse" left out (cuz then II runs 30 minutes!). I've always kinda considered IDTH separate anyway, what with the direct silence after "Circle of Manias," so it made sense to just sorta... leave it with the disc 2 songs.
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Lots of classic albums from the 70's were that long. Selling England by the Pound was 53:50 and side 2 alone was 28:30.
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Lots of classic albums from the 70's were that long. Selling England by the Pound was 53:50 and side 2 alone was 28:30.
True. Genesis albums tended to be on the longer side of vinyl. As for The Incident, the main album itself only comes up to about 55:08 long, which isn't unheard of in a single-vinyl album. Unfortunately, the 2nd half would be a bit too long due to the lopsided track order with "Times Flies" being SMACK DAB in the middle of the album, quite literally. If you cut the album in half just before "Time Flies", the first side would be an OK 25:02 long, which isn't bad. However, side two would be a little over 30 minutes long, and I'm not sure if vinyl can really handle that?
The official vinyl split the main album across three sides, with lengths of approximately 15:54, 20:48, and 18:26, which are all fairly standard lengths of a side of vinyl, and given Steven's penchant for wanting vinyl to sound good by not over-loading the sides with too much music, these are pretty perfect. It also allowed him to fill side four with the remaining four songs at about 20:27. As a double-vinyl, it definitely does work, but if Steven ever tries to do a single-song-length album, I can't imagine it being any longer than 40-45 minutes in length.
-Marc.
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However, side two would be a little over 30 minutes long, and I'm not sure if vinyl can really handle that?
It can indeed, but at risk of grooves running too closely together. Mostly it just results in lower volume and the loss of high frequency fidelity across more music as the needle comes closer to the centre label.
Good point about Genesis running long. Atom Heart Mother side 2 is another example, as well as first presses of some Bathory albums and, for some contemporary examples, Transatlantic!
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I had a random thought while listening to Steven Wilson the other day. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has mentioned this already, but here she goes...
Dream Theater get criticism sometimes for writing overindulgent instrumental sections, but to me, SW is perhaps even more guilty of that kind of thing. I feel like, perhaps, SW gets a pass sometimes because there's no shredding in his music. Everything he does has a real atmosphere and feel to it, but in some ways, his music can still go even more off the rails than DT's can. For example, Hand.Cannot.Erase has what is essentially 11 straight minutes of jamming and soloing during "Home Invasion" and "Regret #9". It takes me out of the album a little bit.
Was just curious if anyone else feels this way. I love SW to death, I guess there are just one or two aspects of his music that I'm not completely in love with. :justjen
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Nope, I do not agree.
For one, it is not essentially 11 straight minutes of jamming. The latter half of Home Invasion, around three minutes, is the "song" part of the song, with verses and a chorus and all that.
As for Regret #9, both of those long solos are very tasteful. Not that DT doesn't have plenty of tasty solos, but SW's music never spills over into that "wanky" style, even if his music has gotten a little more busy than it used to. And let's face it, long instrumental sections are not new to his music; the newer stuff just focuses a little more on playing than the PT music of the early to mid 90s (that was largely instrumental).
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I love both bands. They both get self indulgent in different ways.
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SW has definitely gotten more "wanky" (like DT) with time. Definitely moreso on his last few albums than in the past. Whether or not that plays a part in why I've liked those albums less is a different question, but I've definitely noticed the change in him.
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SW has definitely gotten more "wanky" (like DT) with time. Definitely moreso on his last few albums than in the past. Whether or not that plays a part in why I've liked those albums less is a different question, but I've definitely noticed the change in him.
Exactly the same for me. There's a couple sections in HCE that kinda take me out of the album too and I haven't listened to the Raven in a while because it's too busy for me (other than the title song and Drive Home).
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That's funny. I never thought of a Steven Wilson album as too busy. All his solo albums let every instrument breath.
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From Steven's FB:
The Transience compilation will be reissued on CD by Kscope in September. I'm not normally a fan of compilations, but I liked the idea of collecting the more accessible side of my solo material as an introduction for listeners who may not be familiar with my music. I think on those terms it works pretty well, but when it came out last year many people quite rightly pointed out the flaw in that plan by releasing it only on vinyl, and there have been regular requests for a CD edition, so here it is. Since the original release, a track from the recent 4 ½ mini album "Happiness III" has become the first song of mine in years to get any attention from BBC radio here in the UK, so I've taken the opportunity to add it the running order of the CD version, as it certainly fits the brief. On the compilation it's the full length version, but a 3.35 radio edit will also be released simultaneously on a limited run 7 inch vinyl and digitally, with my tribute to David Bowie "Space Oddity" recorded live at the Hammersmith Apollo Theatre (with Ninet Tayeb on guest vocals, you can watch a video of the performance by following the link below) as the B side. As with Transience the 7 inch cover is a portrait, this time by Susana Moyaho.
Yeah, you don't say. :lol
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bump.
nice new Question and Answer video:
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/for-those-that-missed-it-steven-wilson-facebook-live-qa-session/
new album should be more electronic.
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Bumping because I updated the playlist list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r3Ku1oB9RDXICPnreLtpenOT8MLZ6VfJ3lmsyYG9GJ8/edit?usp=sharing)again :corn
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Marco seems to have a bone to pick with Steven:
Just flew by Mount Everest on our way from Nepal to Bangkok. Pretty amazing I have to say.
Now on a different quick note, I received a few questions about the gold awards for 'The Raven' and 'Hand.Cannot.Erase'. I'll try to keep it brief: Yes, some of the people involved in these productions had to learn through social media that these albums went gold. I seriously had no idea, so thanks for letting me know 😊.
Well and what can I say, also at the end of the day they're SW's albums and he decides whom to share the success with.
From what I've heard, some gold awards were given to one half of the band and the other half was excluded and not notified (very likely because of our decision for other band and touring commitments).
But nevermind, we were all involved and played in the studio and live as a band and I'd like to believe that our musical contributions somehow at least to a certain degree shaped the vibe and style of these albums.
Most important thing is that YOU appreciate and value the playing and contributions. So, thank you very much.
Happily moving on, come to see the Aristocrats 'Tres Caballeros' world tour. We're in the middle of our Asian/ Australia leg and wow, India and Nepal were surely new and amazing places for us to explore and play and I can't thank everyone enough for making this tour such a huge success.
Love you all :-),
M.
He also posted a comment on that post - he's deleted it since then, but I found it on Reddit:
Well, to be honest, Raven and HCE are the only gold awards in that catalogue, aren't they... And excluding us, just because we cherish our own band The Aristocrats and refuse to ass crawl, is kind of a dick move.... Take your gold records and shove it.
Marco is a great drummer and probably a cool guy too, but he can be pretty passive-aggressive with his posts sometimes, like when he was unhappy with the way he was portrayed in the DT drummer doc. Nick Beggs posted a pic of the HCE gold disc he got, but he didn't mention anything about Raven, so it seems to be unclear who got the gold discs for which albums.
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I can understand his frustration and I'm surprised SW didn't share that info with all his band members. You'd think after making albums and touring for 5 years or so, that a simple phone call or text message about the album going gold wouldn't be that much to ask.
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I bet Marco and Mike Portnoy would get along really well. :lol
All kidding aside, it's sad to see things playing out like that. Marco contributed some tremendous drumming on the last two Steven Wilson albums and was an incredibly charismatic drummer live. But it's equally sad to see passive-aggressive comments online.
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I can also see how that would be frustrating, but I am not sure crying about it on the internet like a scorned teenager is the best way to channel that frustration. :lol :lol
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Which is also very Portnoy like.
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I'm not surprised SW didn't share that info. He's always been pretty arrogant.
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I'm not surprised SW didn't share that info. He's always been pretty arrogant.
He definitely strikes me as the kind of musician who doesn't put too much value in the effort and performances of the people around him. After all it's HIS solo project with HIS name on it. The other people are just replaceable parts of his puzzle.
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Is that Wilson's personal job to let everyone know?
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I'm not surprised SW didn't share that info. He's always been pretty arrogant.
He definitely strikes me as the kind of musician who doesn't put too much value in the effort and performances of the people around him. After all it's HIS solo project with HIS name on it. The other people are just replaceable parts of his puzzle.
I agree.
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Pardon my French, but that is utter crap. He has been vocal about how blessed he is to be surrounded by such great musicians, even saying on several occasions that having these guys around him enables him to expand his writing since they are all capable of playing better than he can. He certainly has a bit of that British pretentious thing going on :lol, but to suggest that he doesn't value the work others put into his projects makes absolutely no sense.
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Marco should have aired his grievances with SW personally rather than moan about it online, making it public. Again, like Portnoy, fine drummer but not a particularly pleasant man. Respect level gone down in my book.
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Pardon my French, but that is utter crap. He has been vocal about how blessed he is to be surrounded by such great musicians, even saying on several occasions that having these guys around him enables him to expand his writing since they are all capable of playing better than he can. He certainly has a bit of that British pretentious thing going on :lol, but to suggest that he doesn't value the work others put into his projects makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah, I agree. Though I think Steven should have shared the info it doesn't mean he doesn't value the musicians he works with or justify this melodramatic crap.
That said, I still want to have both of their babies.
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A lot of SW's decisions as of the last couple years have perplexed me - I mean, come on, releasing an album of single-like accessible songs for people to *DISCOVER* his music, but only release it in limited quantities, on a format that only people who might already be his fans would have....way to LIMIT the ability for new fans to discover you, Steven... :facepalm:
At least he rectified that mistake, and even acknowledged that it was a stupid mistake. I wonder, if anything, what he will say about his lack of acknowledging half of his band mates for the gold records of Raven and HCE. Marco makes a good point, though, that I don't think SW's first two solo albums went gold, and so to ignore the band that put out the two albums that DID go gold seems a bit odd to me. For all we know, the draw to Raven and HCE was probably widened BECAUSE OF Marco and those other band members joining the band before Raven came out. I remember being pretty hyped for an SW album that featured the likes of Marco and Guthrie, so I'm sure many others were too. Having them on board was a huge draw for me, so it's not impossible to think the same for thousands of other fans.
-Marc.
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I wonder if people would be defending if it was Mike Portnoy who did that. :biggrin:
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I wonder if people would be defending if it was Mike Portnoy who did that. :biggrin:
Well, it would be a different situation. Mike doesn't really WRITE music, but Steven does, although as to how much input the other members of SW's band put in on the Raven and HCE albums is questionable, I'm sure the majority of the music IS Steven's. Mike wouldn't hide gold records from any of his band mates, he seems too humble for that these days, especially with how much he loves Neal Morse, as well as his bandmates in The Winery Dogs. Mike doesn't really head-up a band anymore, at least not in the way he did with DT, so I think he's smart enough to not be that rude to his band mates. At least with Steven, though, because it is his music (more or less), I can understand why he wouldn't share the gold records with some the band members who helped him record his last two albums.
-Marc.
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Pardon my French, but that is utter crap. He has been vocal about how blessed he is to be surrounded by such great musicians, even saying on several occasions that having these guys around him enables him to expand his writing since they are all capable of playing better than he can. He certainly has a bit of that British pretentious thing going on :lol, but to suggest that he doesn't value the work others put into his projects makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah, I agree. Though I think Steven should have shared the info it doesn't mean he doesn't value the musicians he works with or justify this melodramatic crap.
That said, I still want to have both of their babies.
This, except the baby bit.
Or I don't know, maybe that one too...
Maybe SW considers Marco and Guthrie former members of his band and hence didn't bother contacting them? I've got the impression that gold and platinum awards are usually given to the musicians who are still part of the band. Also, according to Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_recording_sales_certification#Manufacture_of_awards) it's typically the record label that manufactures the gold records, so Kscope may not have been willing to make more than a few of those.
Anyway, this is just speculation, and I agree everyone involved in the making of the albums should've been awarded, or at least SW should've given Marco and Guthrie a call and thanked them for contributing to his success.
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I thought this was fairly common in the music industry? For example, Blind Guardian got gold records for their live DVD Trough the Looking Glass and one of the members that got a gold one was their current drummer, but not the drummer who you actually see/hear on given material (which, granted, is a bit silly, but also somewhat logical given that is the band in its current state). Furthermore, the one who hands these out is likely the record company themselves.
That said, I can totally understand Marco, but one would think a personal/direct message to SW would suffice instead of an immediate passive agressive social media approach (depending on the answer he gets).
In regards to the whole vinyl-only thing, over here it kind of makes sense, as vinyls dominate the physical market. I know very few people under the 30 with a CD player (a dedicated one, that is), a lot of people from any age, however, own a vinyl player. You can also see it in the stores, quite often the CD corner is very small in comparison. That said, there have been many releases where the vinyl edition also contains the CD's (some Arjen Lucassen releases, and many pop releases) at the same standard pricing.
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Marco has always been outspoken about being treated poorly. Remember his comments on the DT audition?
I think it comes down to this: bands like Dream Theater and Steven Wilson are run like a business. In Wilson's case, he's the primary stakeholder and everyone else just comes and goes, regardless of what he may say in interviews about being "blessed" or whatever - it's Wilson's show and if you don't like it you're replaceable. At the NYC Wilson show, I actually met someone who claimed to have talked to Guthrie Govan recently, and I got the impression that Govan was just as annoyed with Wilson's dictator approach to his band, even if Govan has a lot more self-restraint than Minneman.
Wilson just strikes me as a nasty snob, even though I love the music. I'll never forget the interview where he completely trashed Roine Stolte, calling The Flower Kings and Transatlantic "the death of progressive music" - harsh words for a guy who's on his 3rd album of Genesis worship solo material. I've often wondered if Wilson didn't leave PT - a band where he probably had 90% control - because he couldn't stand knowing that the other 10% would never be his.
Love the music, but damn, the man is annoying.
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Yea, Wilson is a bit of a hypocrite with his whole "Flower Kings are the death of prog" deal.
I'm sure Wilson means it when he says that the musical contributions of his bandmates are important, but that doesn't make them any less hired guns to him.
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Steven Wilson has kinda made it a recurring thing to shoot down certain genres only to dip his feet into them himself. Maybe it's some form of reverse psychology, by shooting down bands that channel 70s prog by calling them regressive, when he puts out an album like that himself, the fans think "Oh this must be really good since he doesn't like newer bands making that kind of music". He's also been very outspoken for a long time about not really liking metal much at all (Opeth being an exception) yet PT brought in a metal element which stayed with them through several albums.
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I think he loves Meshuggah and NIN too, but those aren't any kind of typical metal I guess. Maybe he's just dissatisfied with most metal and wanted to try bring something new or interesting, dunno.
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Why is it not ok for a musician to say he or she does not like a genre when I see so many on here do the same thing? Are musicians who make it not allowed to have opinions?
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I think it has to do with the fact that a lot of fans see Steven's statement about disliking bands who tread on 70's prog to be a bit hypocritical while he himself treads on his 70's prog influences as much as Roine and the Flower Kings do on theirs.
Granted, the difference between SW and Roine is almost night and day, where as Steven is more of the King Crimson and Pink Floyd side of 70's prog, while Roine is more of the Yes and Genesis side of 70's prog, and while they all hailed from the hey-day of progressive rock music, they're still fairly different from each other.
Either way, his statement about TFK being the "death of progressive rock" or whatever seems odd, if he is referring to bands that produce the same kind of music that Yes and Genesis did back in the day, because he himself has created music, between Raven and HCE, that is fairly reminiscent of his 70's prog influences. I can't listen to most of Raven without thinking of King Crimson, and I also think of Floyd and even Rush when listening to HCE. Maybe *HE* doesn't see it that way, and he might not be very transparent about his influences on his music, but the fans will, and the fans will call him out on hypocritical statements.
-Marc.
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Even his opinions like those on here can be wrong.
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Why is it not ok for a musician to say he or she does not like a genre when I see so many on here do the same thing? Are musicians who make it not allowed to have opinions?
He can like whatever he wants, it's the holier than thou attitude that is annoying. When he slams other prog bands for being too retro sounding, then proceeds to make retro sounding prog rock albums.
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I see many commentating here that have that same holier than thou attitude as well. Just saying I see a lot of calling the kettle black.
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I believe his death of prog comment was well over 10 years ago, which he has since walked back a little, so I am not sure why that is still relevant.
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About the Marco thing I do think that Steven should of said something to Marco/Guthrie but those awards are given to whoever is playing at the time. Hell the only reason I ran out to buy HCE was to hear Marco and Guthrie play, the album wouldn't of been as good without those two.
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I believe his death of prog comment was well over 10 years ago, which he has since walked back a little, so I am not sure why that is still relevant.
I've never seen him walk back those comments. If he has, I'd love to see it. From what I can tell, he still gives prog the cold shoulder. When I saw him, he even had the audacity to say something like, "you know, back in my day, we didn't call this music prog, we called it jazz!"
I think Zantera is spot on that Wilson seems to take subtle digs at his competition but then goes and dips right in to the same genre, so that you think "oh, this guy hates modern prog, but he's doing it here, so his version must be the good kind, with real integrity." Don't get me wrong, I still love most of Wilson's music, but I am personally so over his attitude.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but what would SW music qualify genre wise? It certainly seem like Prog to me.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but what would SW music qualify genre wise? It certainly seem like Prog to me.
This is exactly why the discussion is taking place. It's blatant hypocrisy, particularly since GFD, but really since he started PT.
I'm glad he at least admits he's über-pretentious. Maybe that's what he wants his music called: not prog rock, pretentious rock.
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He admits it? Where?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but what would SW music qualify genre wise? It certainly seem like Prog to me.
Rock.
He is all over the map stylistically enough throughout his career to pigeonhole him into one subgenre.
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Agreed.
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Who gives a flying $%#& about labels.
Now that I got that out :lol Like Steven my tastes have changed over the years. I just tend not to bash most because I just am lazy and don't want to type a thousand posts debating it on my cell phone. :lol
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He is only all over the map stylistically if you look at his entire spectrum of work with all the side projects. But PT was definitely progressive rock since the early days. The older albums are definitely more of a nod to 70s prog rock and the more modern PT albums are a more fresh take on the genre, but it's still progressive rock. His solo career is essentially the same, Insurgentes is really the only exception because it's so heavy on the shoegaze/drone/noise/post-punk influences. But GFD, Raven and HCE while different are all still progressive rock albums.
SW goes out of his way to call his music jazz, classic rock, or just about any genre that isn't prog, yet he is the face of progressive rock and has been perhaps the most iconic artist in the genre of the last 10 years, and he puts out progressive rock album after progressive rock album. He even jumped ship on several of his side projects like Blackfield (which he did return to) and No-Man to focus even more on his solo progressive rock project. Bass Communion was also side swept so that he could focus more on his solo project.
Not saying it's a bad thing. But SW used to be a more diverse musician with how many different albums he put out under different names, but not so much anymore.
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Didn't he say he was going for the early 70's prog style with TRTRTS? I remember that's why he wanted to work Alan Parsons.
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I've never heard anything from SW outside of his solo albums and PT, but I don't have any problems classifying that as simply prog rock. The label isn't important anyway, I definitely give SW credit for introducing lots of influences outside of what you'd expect from the prog rock genre. So I definitely don't get the impression that he confines himself to anything, but the influences that come out most often are King Crimson/Genesis/etc.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but what would SW music qualify genre wise? It certainly seem like Prog to me.
When an interviewer talked about prog and asked Steven about what music does PT plays he said: Porcupine Tree plays Porcupine Tree music. So I guess Steven Wilson plays Steven Wilson music, not prog. You know, an unique genre. :biggrin:
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He thinks (or at least thought) that prog-rock as a genre has become stale and retro-oriented and is not evolving. He thinks that his own music with PT or his solo band is not stale, not retro and that it is evolving, so he doesn't want to be thrown in in the same category as the rest of the not evolving prog-rock bands.
Imo, sometimes he's just a little bit too pretentious and elitist.
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I've often heard artists try and deny they belong to particular genres, even though their music absolutely screams it. They should face it: we decide where they belong in the music spectrum. We notice the music's elements and based on that, we clump them in with a genre.
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I will file his music under the prog-rock label till he comes along personally to rearrange my cd-collection :biggrin:
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He thinks (or at least thought) that prog-rock as a genre has become stale and retro-oriented and is not evolving. He thinks that his own music with PT or his solo band is not stale, not retro and that it is evolving, so he doesn't want to be thrown in in the same category as the rest of the not evolving prog-rock bands.
Imo, sometimes he's just a little bit too pretentious and elitist.
I have no problem with his opinion. The problem comes when he treats his opinion as the ultimate truth, disconsiders what everybody else think and has that "high and mighty" attitude. The only bands truly prog, the only bands that truly innovate, are the ones that HE likes. Funny isn't it?
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Yeah, Wilson is definitely prog, which makes his evasion of the term so silly.
Not only is most of his music prog, but also very few people know of him outside prog circles. I know plenty of people who love genres like jazz, noise, drone, shoegaze, classic rock etc., and none of them know who Wilson even is, despite knowing of tons of way more obscure bands. The fact is, Wilson is a major blip on one radar - the prog one. He's not even a little blip anywhere else.
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Apologies if this is going off on a tangent, but further to my earlier point about genres, we as consumers of music need these labels and genres to describe their music. It's really the only way to answer so many questions: "What music do you like?", "How would you describe [artist/band]'s music?", to name just two.
It would be nice to be all "We don't need labels; music is music!", but that is simply impossible with something so hugely varied and otherwise indescribable. Labels and genres are here to stay, and bands need to accept that that's just the way it is. They can go in other directions, but they'll still essentially be labelled "prog" because prog by its very nature takes elements from many different styles.
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Apologies if this is going off on a tangent, but further to my earlier point about genres, we as consumers of music need these labels and genres to describe their music. It's really the only way to answer so many questions: "What music do you like?", "How would you describe [artist/band]'s music?", to name just two.
It would be nice to be all "We don't need labels; music is music!", but that is simply impossible with something so hugely varied and otherwise indescribable. Labels and genres are here to stay, and bands need to accept that that's just the way it is. They can go in other directions, but they'll still essentially be labelled "prog" because prog by its very nature takes elements from many different styles.
I don't think we need labels at all, but it certainly helps to get to know similar bands. Music is so diverse that having labels makes it easier, but I see it as a necessary evil.
I could answer the first question by saying the name of the bands I like and the second question is irrelevant, since music has to be heard and not described. The description is not the described.
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I don't know what's wrong with labels. If you list the bands you like and the other person hasn't heard of them, then your answer isn't much help. Giving the generally direction would then be more helpful.
Sure music is for listening, but it's for discussing also, otherwise we wouldn't need this forum :biggrin:
And I simply don't have the time to listen to everything everyone mentions. If it's labeled I at least have a general idea, not about good or bad, that is up to the personal opinion of each listener, but of what to broadly expect. You can't describe music completely, but without labels you can't describe it all for someone who doesn't know the band.
When we begin to add judgements to labels, like all rap is not music, jazz is too artsy fartsy, country is just for rednecks, then it gets problematic.
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I don't see what's wrong with labels either. It doesn't constrict the creative output of the artist, which is the only thing that would have made it bad. Aside from that I see only positives.
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SW is a reverse prog-snob. Who's in denial.
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I’m not talking specifically about SW, but everytime an artist or musician says that his work can’t be labeled, I have always the impression that he/she thinks that “my work is so incredibly original and creative that it’s impossible to be labeled”, which sounds a bit pretensious and arrogant to me. All right, maybe they just don't want to be "confined" to a determinate style, but still...
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I’m not talking specifically about SW, but everytime an artist or musician says that his work can’t be labeled, I have always the impression that he/she thinks that “my work is so incredibly original and creative that it’s impossible to be labeled”, which sounds a bit pretensious and arrogant to me. All right, maybe they just don't want to be "confined" to a determinate style, but still...
We just go ahead and label it anyway. And on another pre-album marketing cliché, when a band say their album is "like nothing we've ever done before", it usually ends up being similar to their previous work anyway. It's the same musicians, the same singer with the same voice. And even if it is quite different, after a little while when we've digested the album, it becomes part of the band's "sound" anyway. So that apparent originality doesn't last for long at all.
(PS. Steven Wilson. Just to keep this on topic.)
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I suspect a lot of his reason for wanting to avoid any genre tag is he knows how weird fans can be if you stray too far from your alleged core sound, so if you get labeled a certain way and then do something outside of that box, some fans get weird/nervous/critical/etc. However, I think he has softened towards it in recent years because he probably realizes how hardcore his fans are now and that they will stay with him along for the ride no matter what he does, so he is more comfortable with labels he would have wanted to avoid like the plague 15 years ago, for example.
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You also have to consider that prog was an ugly word in the British music press in the late 90s and early 00s, and SW most likely didn't want to alienate any potential listeners because of the genre tag.
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Then it's on the potential listeners to change their attitude and thinking. The way prog has been treated by the mainstream press is just as "snobbish" as they purport prog to be, so they have no moral high ground to criticise prog for apparent snobbishness (whatever that stupid term even means). Criticising musicians just because they can actually play? Pah! How ridiculous!
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I suspect a lot of his reason for wanting to avoid any genre tag is he knows how weird fans can be if you stray too far from your alleged core sound, so if you get labeled a certain way and then do something outside of that box, some fans get weird/nervous/critical/etc.
When you have a core sound that is liked by the fans then it doesn't matter if it's given a genre tag. When you stray from your core sound, when you vary your musical output there are always fans that complain.
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That's how labels are negative. If you have no labels then you have no way of pre-judging the music and you listen to it without having any thoughts, assumptions or expectations. If you have a label, you are already expecting the music to be a certain way, you already have an idea about it, and this can seriously affect how much you will enjoy the album or the band. Not to mention that if you know a band has a certain label, it often makes you not want to listen to it at all because you already have a bad experience with bands with the same or similar label. It can make you close-minded.
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... Not to mention that if you know a band has a certain label, it often makes you not want to listen to it at all because you already have a bad experience with bands with the same or similar label. It can make you close-minded...
Or if you don't have even the slightest hint of what kind of music a band makes, you are not interested in it. There is simply too much music out there so that you have to make a preselection based on some kind of criteria, and that can be the label.
True, you get close-minded when you put too great an emphasis on the labels and when you actively reject everything that's not from your favorite genre. But I think that those people want to be close-minded for whatever reasons and attaching a label to music or removing it won't change that.
Everything is labeled/grouped into certain genres from movies to literature to art in general. Why should music make an exception?
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I feel like the point with progressive rock is that it has almost become a genre tag for bands that do a little bit of everything and don't really fit in anywhere else. Not to get into the prog vs prog discussion, but a band like The Dear Hunter is usually described as progressive rock, yet they aren't really progressive in the traditional sense. No odd time signatures, no complex solos, they are categorized as progressive mainly because they dabble in several different musical styles and you don't really know what to expect.
"Prog" doesn't necessarily refer to the pretentious 30-40 minute epics with musicians who go off on their 5 minute solos (not that there's anything wrong with that), it can also be bands that are progressive in other ways.
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That my friend is what we call a music lover. I never just stick to one genre. Whatever a band is playing, how short or long, if it's good I'll buy and listen.
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Speaking of long or short, I have noticed that the more I listen to HCE, the more I realize that two of the three long songs are my least favorites. I like both Ancestral and 3 Years Older, but I like most of the songs on that record more. Routine, on the other hand, is still one of his best songs ever. I listened to that on the way home from work earlier and the ending gave me goosebumps on my arm (as it usually does). :hat
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Speaking of long or short, I have noticed that the more I listen to HCE, the more I realize that two of the three long songs are my least favorites. I like both Ancestral and 3 Years Older, but I like most of the songs on that record more. Routine, on the other hand, is still one of his best songs ever. I listened to that on the way home from work earlier and the ending gave me goosebumps on my arm (as it usually does). :hat
Routine has quite the impact on me. I remember listening to it after it came out and remembering my mom's quadruple bypass surgery from a few months prior. It hits me for several reasons because the chorus reminds me of how I coped with all of it, by going to work and school and going to the hospital afterwards for two weeks. I kept my routine to keep my mind of the depressing, horrible stuff that was going. The last part of the song talking about the bees and the jasmine sway reminds my of how I felt the day after her angiogram where they found that her heart had significant blockage and it wasn't 100% sure if she would survive surgery. I just couldn't believe that a beautiful fall day where everything in the world seemed perfect, our world was falling apart. That just connects to me.
Long story short: I equate Routine with my emotions during my mom's heart surgery.
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That took guts to share that story, man. Everything turn out well with your mom?
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Yeah, the surgery was a success. Her dad died on the operating table from the same surgery many years ago, so that was also part of our worries as well. Now, her heart is back to normal functioning and she's healthy and fit. It's truly amazing.
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Yeah, Steven's music can do that. It's unbelievable how it just reaches you. Also great to hear everything turned out well, man.
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Ditto that. :tup :tup
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For anyone interested, SW appears to be in NZ this week, and there's a 20min interview with him here. If the article is anything to go by, it's probably entry level stuff, but whatever.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/nat-music/audio/201820490/steven-wilson-producer-progressive-without-being-prog-rock
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hi de ho, neighbor
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Happy birthday to Steven! So pumped for the Denver show next week :caffeine:
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In the upcoming release of Rush's 2112 - 40th Anniversary edition, Steven Wilson provides a cover of "The Twilight Zone".
Ya know....wrap your head around that one. I cannot wait to hear it.
-Marc.
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I just got home from the show in Portland. Amazing!
The lead singer from the pineapple thief was supposed open, but his visa didn't arrive in time. So we had no opening act and Steven Wilson played an evening with show.
The crowd sang happy birthday to him, and he was generally in excellent spirits all night.
The first set was all of hand. Cannot. Erase. I'm trying to remember the second set off the top of my head. I know he played dark matter, don't hate me, sleep together, Lazarus, the sound of Muzak, and a cover of sign of the times by Prince.
It ended up being about a 3 hour show. There was more, but it's extremely late and I actually have a kidney stone procedure in about four hours. So I'm going to try to get a little bit of shut eye before going to the hospital.
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It ended up being about a 3 hour show. There was more, but it's extremely late and I actually have a kidney stone procedure in about four hours. So I'm going to try to get a little bit of shut eye before going to the hospital.
Now that is dedication. Some would rest up before a procedure, others go to rock concerts.
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I don't know why it took so long, but I decided to delve into Steven Wilson this past week. I'm majorly bummed that I missed his stop in SF in June. :'( :'(
Fixing this tonight in SF! Looks like the singer from Pineapple Thief is still delayed, so here's hoping for another extended set! :caffeine:
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As awesome as SW is, man I'd be bummed to not see Pineapple Thief live.
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As awesome as SW is, man I'd be bummed to not see Pineapple Thief live.
I thought Bruce was playing solo acoustic? I could be wrong.
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Yeah, I think it's just Bruce. I wonder if he will open here next week. I love TPT but I would also be fine with a longer SW set.
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Great show, and SW even referenced the genre discussion a couple times between songs, first loosely identifying with pop music: "No politics...Let's make pop great again!". Later he opined on his distaste of "genre" as a label, and that good music was just good music. He also lamented on the increased time between albums starting in the 80s, growing from 18 months to 2, 3, and 5 years, "and then you get to TOOL" :lol His thought process was that by having a continuous annual release cycle, you can afford to be more creative and risky with each individual release, and that bands can be hesitant to venture outside their established sound because they have this pressure to not lose a significant portion of their fanbase between fresh material.
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Makes sense, and while I know some have had a problem with his distaste for the prog label, I think he's just a guy who doesn't want any specific label put on his music for the reasons he stated: fans then expect your music to almost always be in that genre.
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can't wait for the LA show tonight! :metal :metal
anyone else going?
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I still don't quite get the genre hate. I'm going to expect him to have a certain sound whether there's an official prog stamp on it or not. When I say that Wilson plays progressive rock I'm not saying that all his future work will always be prog, just that what he's done so far has definetely been progressive rock.
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A bit of an odd statement to make from Steven given how he himself is on a 2+ year cycle.
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A bit of an odd statement to make from Steven given how he himself is on a 2+ year cycle.
Yeah, though he never explicitly claimed to meet that ideal, he did point to 4 1/2 as an attempt to give fans new material on a more frequent basis.
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I was looking at Queen's and Bowie's discography. Man, yeah, in the 70s they released a new album every year.
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Well I think album length maybe a factor, albums were shorter.
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I was looking at Queen's and Bowie's discography. Man, yeah, in the 70s they released a new album every year.
Well I think album length maybe a factor, albums were shorter.
Very true. More albums, but shorter ones, can mean a "larger" discography in a shorter time. Look at The Beatles - 7 years together, but all of that music!!! It's pretty nuts when you think about it, but in terms of total length of music put out, it's not that much. Then you look at a band like The Flower Kings, who between 1995-2007, released about 18 hours of studio material (considering they released 4 double albums, and others with bonus discs).
Then again, once you get into this discussion, it becomes about quantity or quality, how to balance both, etc. etc. If bands or artists need time between albums, I would at least expect something of good-to-great quality. I'd hate to wait 3-5 or more years and get a 35 minute album of 10 songs that ranged from meh-to-OK. Conversely, I'd probably hate it if I got a new album every 2 years where the music slowly became stale and repetitive.
-Marc.
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I'd be all for annual EPs tbh. Maybe my life just changed but I can hardly find time for a full LP these days, much less for a double LP.
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A little off-topic, but Jess Cope - who made the videos for Raven, Drive Home and Routine, as well as Storm Corrosion's Drag Ropes - has directed the animated video for Metallica's Here Comes Revenge (https://metallica.com/videos/31775/here-comes-revenge-official-music-video). Maybe Trujillo got her to work for them, being a SW fan? https://s4.postimg.org/7d9vjdpdp/swtrujillo.jpg
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Cool, when I saw Metallica video, I thought the style was too similar from that SW videos and I didn't know that was the same director (directress like actress? I don't know, my english isn't very good :loser:)
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Well I think album length maybe a factor, albums were shorter.
Probably also had to do with artists being more able to live almost entirely off of album sales, whereas today most of the money comes from merch and touring. Albums are just a way to get feet to the floor/butts into the seats.
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Rob's a fan of SW? That's pretty cool!
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Great show, and SW even referenced the genre discussion a couple times between songs, first loosely identifying with pop music: "No politics...Let's make pop great again!". Later he opined on his distaste of "genre" as a label, and that good music was just good music. He also lamented on the increased time between albums starting in the 80s, growing from 18 months to 2, 3, and 5 years, "and then you get to TOOL" :lol His thought process was that by having a continuous annual release cycle, you can afford to be more creative and risky with each individual release, and that bands can be hesitant to venture outside their established sound because they have this pressure to not lose a significant portion of their fanbase between fresh material.
Pretty much had the same banter in St.Pete as well, he did add during the encore that he appreciates Kanye West as an artist a lot to the boos of the crowd, he said to give his material a chance to appreciate his creativity even though he wasn't a fan of his music at all.
We had John Wesley as the opener and he played a great set.
Scroll past if you don't want to know SW's setlist but at this point I think he only has a few shows left on the tour.
They played HCE the entire first set.
2nd set was
No twilight within the court
Index
My book of regrets
Insurgentes
Harmony korine
Don't hate me
Vermilioncore
Sleep together
Encore---
Space oddity (David Bowie)
Sign of the times (Prince)
Sound of Muzak
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No, the album must remain! Albums are the symphonies of rock music.
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I cannot stop listening to "My Book of Regrets."
I'm almost a year behind in buying this EP, but I love this song so much.
For everyone who heard it when it first came out, has this song's awesomeness diminished at all?
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I'm pretty high on both My Book of Regrets and Happiness III, although neither can top the best songs from HCE, The Raven or Grace, IMO.
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My favorite 15 songs (chronologically):
1. No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun
2. Insurgentes
3. The 78
4. Deform to Form a Star
5. Postcard
6. Index
7. Home in Negative
8. Luminol
9. Drive Home
10. The Holy Drinker
11. The Watchmaker
12. First Regret/3 Years Older
13. Routine
14. Ancestral
15. My Book of Regrets
That's like a 1/3 of his songs, and it was an incredibly tough list to narrow down.
EDIT: I forgot about Cover Version, but I didn't really like any of it that much. It's really closer to 1/4 of his songs with that.
EDIT 2: Replaced "Like Dust I Have Cleared from My Eye" with "No Twilight."
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I cannot stop listening to "My Book of Regrets."
I'm almost a year behind in buying this EP, but I love this song so much.
For everyone who heard it when it first came out, has this song's awesomeness diminished at all?
Not for me. It's one of my favourite Steven Wilson tunes, if not the favourite.
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I cannot stop listening to "My Book of Regrets."
I'm almost a year behind in buying this EP, but I love this song so much.
For everyone who heard it when it first came out, has this song's awesomeness diminished at all?
Not for me. It's one of my favourite Steven Wilson tunes, if not the favourite.
I don't listen to HCE without it anymore. It's usually either sandwiched in somewhere, or it replaces "Home Invasion/Regret #9" (yes, I do end up missing the R#9 solo).
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Honestly, the two longest songs on HCE I do not listen to that much anymore. Ancestral and First Regret are both really good tunes, but I prefer most of the rest of the album to them. Routine, Happy Returns, Home Invasion, Regret #9, Perfect Life and Transience are all songs I will never tire of, and I can throw My Book of Regrets and Happiness III into that mix, as well.
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Steven Wilson starts recording his new album today
https://twitter.com/xtcfans/status/808272517358043136
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Awesome. :coolio :hat
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Steven Wilson starts recording his new album today
https://twitter.com/xtcfans/status/808272517358043136
For those who didn't know, that was tweeted by Andy Partridge of XTC. I haven't really listened to XTC, but I know they've got a post-punk/new wave background, so I'm curious to see if any of that surfaces on the next SW album.
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Well, hope it doesn't sound as boring as Skylarking :P
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Sweet, I'll check it out when it's released. I'm out of the loop though; are Guthrie and Marco on this album?
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Great news, I'm curious too about who are the contributing players. The way Marco sounded off on the gold record thing makes me think Craig Blundell might play the drums this time round, not sure about Guthrie.
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I'd honestly be really disappointed with Guthrie didn't play. He is my favorite guitar player but I feel like he works best with someone like SW giving him a restriction on his playing. I also think that Guthrie can really elevate SW's music.
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After the gold disc shitstorm I'd be shocked if Marco and Guthrie were involved. Craig Blundell also posted this (https://www.facebook.com/craigblundelldrums/photos/a.188152991274493.43354.183320435091082/1195008113922304/?type=3&theater) a couple of days ago:
I start work on a new album on Thursday. Some of it is quite heavy and needs big cymbals.
Not sure if he's referring to SW, but judging by the fact that the recordings have started, it's very likely.
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Didn't know about the XTC-connection, that's great considering how good they were. Skylarking is probably better than anything SW has been involved with so good news. :)
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After the gold disc shitstorm I'd be shocked if Marco and Guthrie were involved. Craig Blundell also posted this (https://www.facebook.com/craigblundelldrums/photos/a.188152991274493.43354.183320435091082/1195008113922304/?type=3&theater) a couple of days ago:
I start work on a new album on Thursday. Some of it is quite heavy and needs big cymbals.
Not sure if he's referring to SW, but judging by the fact that the recordings have started, it's very likely.
Yea I figured the gold disc thing might have had some effect
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I'm very excited for any new Steven Wilson material.
I knew I'd heard of XTC somewhere before. Apparently, Dave Gregory did string arrangements for the Lightbulb Sun album, as well as ".3" and "Collapse the Light into Earth." I'm sure his former bandmate Andy Partridge will do a great job working with SW too.
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I'm not too sour over someone not playing since I know Wilson isn't going to put someone sub-par in their spot. He'll get someone who is on par with their skill and innovation.
Other than that, I'm super excited to see what kind of feels this album brings!
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I think I missed that gold disc thing... what happened?
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According to my understanding: Steven won an award or something for HCE, and didn't mention it to Marco/Guthrie, who were not touring with SW's band at the time. Marco made some passive-aggressive comments about it on facebook. I don't know whether Guthrie ever addressed it or not.
Someone else can correct me if any of this is wrong.
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According to my understanding: Steven won an award or something for HCE, and didn't mention it to Marco/Guthrie, who were not touring with SW's band at the time. Marco made some passive-aggressive comments about it on facebook. I don't know whether Guthrie ever addressed it or not.
Someone else can correct me if any of this is wrong.
His label presented the current touring band with gold discs of HCE for reaching whatever amount of sales. Minneman has posted two incredibly whiny posts bitching about he and Guthrie not receiving any despite playing on the record and, apparently, being SUPER INTEGRAL to its success.
Guthrie hasn't said a word. As if he's some kind of professional who knows SW decided nothing about this and whinging on the internet to all his fans makes him look like a douchebag.
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The intimation, from recent Wilson interview comments, is that both Blundell and Kilminster will be present for these sessions.
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Minnemann is an excellent drummer, but he is a bit of a whiner, yeah. He did the same when DT management crossed him.
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Will be cool to have Blundell and Kilminster on a full-length studio album. My Book of Regrets and Vermillioncore prove that we have nothing to worry about. It's SW's backing band, no more and no less.
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Yeah, I love Marco and Guthrie but these guys will be great and I'm not at all worried about it.
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Marco was being very butt hurt regarding the award. Guthrie never said anything publicly and I hope he returns in some fashion at least for part of the album. I'm still not very fond of Klimister's playing though.
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Yep, I am not worried at all. Grace for Drowning was totally awesome, and that was before he ever assembled a real band to back him up full time as a solo artist.
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Can you really blame Marco for being upset if you put yourself in his shoes though? As much as I love Steven, something tells me he can be a pain in the ass to work with :lol
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"Just flew by Mount Everest on our way from Nepal to Bangkok. Pretty amazing I have to say. Now on a different quick note, I received a few questions about the gold awards for 'The Raven' and 'Hand.Cannot.Erase'. I'll try to keep it brief: Yes, some of the people involved in these productions had to learn through social media that these albums went gold. I seriously had no idea, so thanks for letting me know 😊. Well and what can I say, also at the end of the day they're SW's albums and he decides whom to share the success with. From what I've heard, some gold awards were given to one half of the band and the other half was excluded and not notified (very likely because of our decision for other band and touring commitments). But nevermind, we were all involved and played in the studio and live as a band and I'd like to believe that our musical contributions somehow at least to a certain degree shaped the vibe and style of these albums. Most important thing is that YOU appreciate and value the playing and contributions. So, thank you very much. Happily moving on, come to see the Aristocrats 'Tres Caballeros' world tour. We're in the middle of our Asian/ Australia leg and wow, India and Nepal were surely new and amazing places for us to explore and play and I can't thank everyone enough for making this tour such a huge success. Love you all :-), M."
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"Well, to be honest, Raven and HCE are the only gold awards in that catalogue, aren't they... And excluding us, just because we cherish our own band The Aristocrats and refuse to ass crawl, is kind of a dick move.... Take your gold records and shove it."
I don't see any whining. Actually I agree with him and I totally understand why he reacted like this.
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Whining or not, it's still childish and unprofessional. Take up with Wilson, don't tell him to "shove it" on social media to thousands of people.
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Hmm okay, that doesn't sound that good. It's a bit weird on SW's part, but...
Whining or not, it's still childish and unprofessional. Take up with Wilson, don't tell him to "shove it" on social media to thousands of people.
Agreed.
That said, I also think SW will have no problems finding the right people to play on his next solo album.
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Steven's response: https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/music/We-are-all-in-it-together/article16729642.ece
Both Hand. Cannot. Erase. and The Raven That Refused To Sing were certified Gold in Europe. There was, however, some initial discontent by drummer Marco Minnemann and guitarist Guthrie Govan about not being notified or given gold discs that were given out to the band?
I didn’t know about that. I haven’t spoken to Marco in over a year now. The gold discs were awarded by the record company to the artists. I mean I don’t award the gold discs. They gave them to other members of the band, I don’t know which but it’s first I’ve heard of any issues, to be honest.
For me, the gold disc is nice, but it is not that important to me (laughs). The most important thing is the work and the idea that it is reaching people is nice. Certainly this album seems to have reached more people than any of my previous records. It is great to be sitting here, 20 years into my career and saying, I’ve just had my most successful record.
Btw, in that same interview SW also says he's only in touch with the rest of PT on business matters. I hope it's not because of any bad blood. :-[
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I doubt it's bad blood, I just think the SW is a solo show now and he is interested in picking and choosing band members.
Also just because you're in a band doesn't mean you have to be best friends.
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I've always said that there is a difference between "selfish" and "self focused"....but people often confuse the two.
"Selfish" is when you notice other people's feelings, needs...etc. But you just don't care. You think that your interests are more important than theirs.
"Self focused" is when other people's feelings and needs never even occurred to you in the first place. It never even entered your thoughts because you were hyper focused on what *you* were doing.
I have often been guilty of the latter. (though I try very hard to break out of the thought process) That last interview quote sounds like SW may be the same way.
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I think that's just how SW has always been in his "bands", the other members are disposable and it's 90% about him. Whether or not you like it, that's pretty much how it was for him in PT and how it is in the solo project.
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And I'm sure that SW wants to freshen things up from time to time, to stop things from getting too stale creatively. And the music is so brilliant that I am perfectly fine with this.
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Whining or not, it's still childish and unprofessional. Take up with Wilson, don't tell him to "shove it" on social media to thousands of people.
Bingo.
And then there is this:
Steven's response: https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/music/We-are-all-in-it-together/article16729642.ece
Both Hand. Cannot. Erase. and The Raven That Refused To Sing were certified Gold in Europe. There was, however, some initial discontent by drummer Marco Minnemann and guitarist Guthrie Govan about not being notified or given gold discs that were given out to the band?
I didn’t know about that. I haven’t spoken to Marco in over a year now. The gold discs were awarded by the record company to the artists. I mean I don’t award the gold discs. They gave them to other members of the band, I don’t know which but it’s first I’ve heard of any issues, to be honest.
For me, the gold disc is nice, but it is not that important to me (laughs). The most important thing is the work and the idea that it is reaching people is nice. Certainly this album seems to have reached more people than any of my previous records. It is great to be sitting here, 20 years into my career and saying, I’ve just had my most successful record.
Btw, in that same interview SW also says he's only in touch with the rest of PT on business matters. I hope it's not because of any bad blood. :-[
Meaning Marco didn't actually call Steven to ask him about it. If he did I'm sure Steven would have said something to the effect of, "I wasn't asked who the awards went to or who is notified, and didn't think much of it". Or at least said something to diffuse the situation. I love Marco, but sometimes he can be an ass.
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Marco needs a sticker on his computer screen saying "first call mom, then write tweet".
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In better news, Craig Blundell tweeted earlier:
Delight to finally say I'm Tracking drums for @StevenWilsonHQ fifth full studio album
This is happening, people! SW5 is go go go! Perhaps a summer 2017 release, maybe even as soon as May?
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In better news, Craig Blundell tweeted earlier:
Delight to finally say I'm Tracking drums for @StevenWilsonHQ fifth full studio album
This is happening, people! SW5 is go go go! Perhaps a summer 2017 release, maybe even as soon as May?
No, better new would have been Marco coming to his senses, apologizing, and getting on this album. That said, while I obviously prefer Marco, I am excited to see what Craig brings to the album.
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It's still mindboggling to me how Marco is the bad guy for calling out Steven Wilson's awful treatment of his band members. Sure, posting about it on the internet may not be the best solution, but it's not THAT uncommon for people to react like that in an emotional state. So impulsive and a bit rash? Definitely. Him being the bad guy in the scenario? Nah that feels almost like calling out the victim of a bully for complaining about being bullied.
Just my five cents, I know Steven Wilson is considered a deity around here and we should tread lightly of ever saying something remotely negative, but his actions towards both the PT members and the newer members have really made me sour on him. I know most musicians are assholes, so SW is far from being one of the worst. In fact maybe it's even refreshing to see SW show "human" signs.
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Just my five cents, I know Steven Wilson is considered a deity around here and we should tread lightly of ever saying something remotely negative,
But literally nobody acts like this. People have no problem expressing disagreements with stuff Steven does, it's just in this case he came off better.
I mean, I don't care about the gold disc thing one way or another, and it kinda sounds like Steven didn't either, so he didn't make a big deal out of a thing that wasn't a big deal, but maybe Marco's grievance was legitimate. What people are taking issue with was the way he dealt with the grievance, where he came across quite poorly and kind of soured some people's opinion of him.
You can disagree, obviously, but building this 'everyone thinks SW is god' strawman just so you can tear it down comes across as rather condescending.
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calling out Steven Wilson's awful treatment of his band members
C'mon dude, really? It has nothing to do with SW. He doesn't pick who receives the gold discs. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with him. If you even read what he said, it's pretty clear he doesn't give a shit whatsoever about receiving it.
And I'm very far from the "SW is god" club – trust me, I very much understand what you mean about people like that, and they're very vocal – so this is a very sober view of the debacle. Minneman is a baby.
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Maybe SW is just bad at communicating? This "problem" may not be that big of a deal but it strikes me as weird when you go a year without speaking to someone who has been in your band and don't recognize there's bad blood there. Either SW and Marco did speak behind the scenes and had a falling out, or SW just comes off as very socially awkward if he is completely oblivious to the situation. Not to defend Marco entirely, I think his reaction was a bit strong (but I understand the reasons why), but it still strikes me as weird that SW is either lying, not caring or not able to pick up on someone who he has been working with being frustrated with him.
Outside of this specific thing, you also have his treatment of the PT members post-PT disbanded which also comes off as very strange comments. Maybe he doesn't mean for it to be that way but I think Jammindude said it well with "self focused". I can see SW as someone who has very little (if any) concern for the musicians he surrounds himself with, because they're just tools for him to make the kind of music he wants to make. And there's nothing wrong with that approach if it works for him.
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You can disagree, obviously, but building this 'everyone thinks SW is god' strawman just so you can tear it down comes across as rather condescending.
New to this thread? That is Zantera's shtick more often than not when it comes to SW.
Minneman is a baby.
Yep. Bitching about what happened on social media like he did is something a 15-year old would do.
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I doubt it's bad blood, I just think the SW is a solo show now and he is interested in picking and choosing band members.
Also just because you're in a band doesn't mean you have to be best friends.
Hmm... yeah, now that I think about it, SW is definitely not the kind of guy I can imagine sending Christmas cards to his ex-bandmates, even if they didn't part on bad terms. :lol
I mean, I don't care about the gold disc thing one way or another, and it kinda sounds like Steven didn't either, so he didn't make a big deal out of a thing that wasn't a big deal, but maybe Marco's grievance was legitimate. What people are taking issue with was the way he dealt with the grievance, where he came across quite poorly and kind of soured some people's opinion of him.
:iagree:
You have to remember that this isn't an isolated incident, if you think about Marco's comments around the time the DT drummer doc came out. IIRC he complained about the way he was portrayed in the audition videos or something like that, and at the end of his post he basically said "fu DT :)". Again, he had a right to be angry, but the way he expressed it was pretty unprofessional. When you're doing session gigs for a living, you should be careful with how you portray yourself in the social media, because some artist may be looking for a drummer and even considering Marco for the job, but then they see all this stuff and think "nah, this guy is nothing but drama" and get someone else instead.
I'm just speculating, but I bet this gold disc incident (pun intended) was just the straw that broke the camel's back and that there's been some tension between SW and MM before. Remember when Marco posted that pic of the two of them from some award show and said he "used to" play with Steven? I think this article sums it up quite well - they've got totally different personalities, so they were bound to clash sooner or later: https://progressivemusicplanet.com/2016/12/03/steven-wilson-vs-marco-minnemann-a-study-in-personalities/
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l love Marco's drumming. I think recently, he, Ray Luzier (with KXM) and Bobby Jarzombek have done my favourite drum works of any albums, but also I think SW is looking for a drummer (and a band) who can make a fuller commitment with him, because I see SW is becoming a bigger band in terms of popularity. And, in this case, Craig Blundell is a great drummer, who still don't have a major band to work with, so I guess he's a perfect fit for SW band nowadays and vice-versa.
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I don't know if it's entirely down to commitment. Like others have said so well before me, SW likes to move on after a few albums and change things up, and it's only natural to change up the band members in the process. His issue with PT was working with the same people who had their preferences so that when he wanted to move on, those guys weren't necessarily on board. And many musicians (if not most) are somewhat genre-centric where they work within a certain space, and SW is someone who kinda goes between genres more. As much as I like the band he has been using on his last few albums, it would be refreshing with some new personalities, and if SW wants to make the next album truly different, then that's a good first step I think.
Do we know yet 100% who will play on the album?
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We know 100% that Craig is the drummer.
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For those who don't know, on the recording of My Book of Regrets is Craig that is playing and he's really great, I must say! Although I really don't know how much of this song (or if any of it) was already demoed by Marco.
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Didn't SW already confirm (on the FB Q&A or in some interview) that his current live line-up will play on the record as well?
I think the bigger question is whether Kilminster will tour with him after the release of the album, considering that he'll be playing with Roger Waters next year, and I'd imagine that tour will get extended to other continents after the end of the North American run in October.
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For those who don't know, on the recording of My Book of Regrets is Craig that is playing and he's really great, I must say! Although I really don't know how much of this song (or if any of it) was already demoed by Marco.
And Vermillioncore, and that is an amazing track. In fact, if I recall correctly, the only song on 4½ with Marco is Happiness III.
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My Book of Regrets is great, but it's like a homage to SW's past works. The part that comes in a little after the 2-minute mark sounds right out of Time Flies, and then the heavy riff around the 5-minute mark sounds eerily similar to one in Always Never from Up the Downstair. There are a couple other little nods in there, too, but I can't place them offhand.
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Wilson posted a bunch of photos on his site today, some of them have been on his twitter feed the past few days
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/recording-drums-and-bass-for-the-new-steven-wilson-album-in-london/ (https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/recording-drums-and-bass-for-the-new-steven-wilson-album-in-london/)
"Recording sessions for the new album started in London last week, with tracking of drums and bass. As you can see we’re working hard but having a lot of fun! Craig Blundell on drums, myself and Nick Beggs on bass guitar (and Nick on stick), and the amazing Paul Stacey engineering. Photographs by Lasse Hoile. More updates from the studio soon…"
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No Marco. Is Guthrie Govan still playing guitar?
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Cool pics, sad there probably won't be Guthrie.
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like he did for new album from The Monkees, Andy Partridge co-wrote 2 songs for the upcoming Steven Wilson album
https://twitter.com/xtcfans/status/808272517358043136
Steven Wilson starts recording his new album today,including two songs co-written with me. Do well Steven.
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like he did for new album from The Monkees, Andy Partridge co-wrote 2 songs for the upcoming Steven Wilson album
https://twitter.com/xtcfans/status/808272517358043136
Steven Wilson starts recording his new album today,including two songs co-written with me. Do well Steven.
Yea it was posted on the previous page a couple of weeks ago...can't wait to hear this new album.
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ah, well worth reminding again.
clip from "Pariah"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEFvI-Tmezo
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Awesome clip. Sounds great, even though I somewhat cringe at that lyrical line "I'm tired of facebook" everything else in that clip was great, Ninet sounded fantastic.
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Awesome clip. Sounds great, even though I somewhat cringe at that lyrical line "I'm tired of facebook" everything else in that clip was great, Ninet sounded fantastic.
Exactly that. It started off with the Facebook line, and I cringed...Then the rest was absolutely beautiful.
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ah, well worth reminding again.
clip from "Pariah"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEFvI-Tmezo
Yeesh not a fan of that facebook line, brings me back to his ipod line on Way Out Of here
I will say this, I've never liked Ninet in any of SW's work until that clip. She sounded great.
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I don't mind the Facebook line at all. It's a nice view into modern society.
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I don't think the FB line is any worse than all the product references on Blank Planet, though it does sound weird in such a beautiful song.
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Really nice clip. Yeah facebook sounded a bit weird, but I'm okay with it. Rest was great.
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That is awesome.
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Lyrically SW has never been great IMO (lyrics are usually good with the occasional great and occasional terrible lines), the music sounds alright but it's just a 90 second teaser or w/e. It does nothing to make me more or less excited about the album, but it sounds less proggy so it makes me hopeful that he might go outside the prog-box a bit more on this album.
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Lyrically SW has never been great IMO (lyrics are usually good with the occasional great and occasional terrible lines), the music sounds alright but it's just a 90 second teaser or w/e. It does nothing to make me more or less excited about the album, but it sounds less proggy so it makes me hopeful that he might go outside the prog-box a bit more on this album.
This. Although he already stepped outside of it a little bit on HKE imo.
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Donald Trump needs a sticker on his computer screen saying "first call mom, then write tweet".
So true
On that subject matter, it was really a bummer that Marco reacted that way. I thought his reaction was somewhat uncalled for with the DT audition videos, but although I kinda understood his approach those videos probably gave him more exposure than everything he did previously in his musical career; so they probably weren't as bad as he made them look like.
With the Steven Wilson thing, that was totally wrong. As Nick said, he seems like a great guy all-around but he needs to think twice before posting on social media. I find it nice that Steven didn't hear about that previously, which kinda tells me he isn't all consumed in the social media world (like our very own and dear Mr. Portnoy, for example). That's healthy and better for the long run for him.
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I find it nice that Steven didn't hear about that previously, which kinda tells me he isn't all consumed in the social media world
I guess I'm not surprised by that. :laugh:
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A line about facebook isn't inherently bad writing in my opinion, it is one of the major communication platforms of modern society. Though I do pefer not having brands/companies in lyrics myself, so maybe thats why.
Also, I really like the new teaser and am glad we will get more Ninet as well. Musically, I hope it does not get too poppy or electronic as the overall direction. I prefer prog/singer songwiter/rock/metal SW music.
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For me the FB line makes me a bit worried that be might be going back to the outright negativity of FOABP. It's the main reason I don't listen to that album much.
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New interview with Steven
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/steven_wilson_what_to_expect_from_my_new_album.html
"It's a new day and a new direction. Of course, it's still going to sound like one of my records, but it's a little more song-based, a little more contemporary-sounding.
"And I'm playing more guitar myself, which is very different. Because on the last couple of records I had Guthrie Govan doing most of the guitar work. But this time around, I've gone for a different approach.
"I've played some solos that I'm really pleased with. It's nice to be back in the saddle of actually being a guitar player again."
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I'm interested in hearing this album. While I will really miss Guthrie's guitar playing SW has written some great solos so I'll be interested in hearing what he has going.
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I've been listening to his solo album lately and I have to say that "Harmony Korine" has officially become my favorite song by him. His voice is so beautiful in the song and it just sends pleasure through my whole body. It's like a soft lullaby and I always listen to this song in loop as it always puts me to sleep peacefully. Love him and his songs. I'm a sucker for those haunting songs...I'm happy I found out about him.
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Even though it rocks pretty hard at times, it does have that "soft lullaby" feel at times, the way those guitar lines in the verses move along slowly while he sings.
Also, it's great to see SW will be playing guitar a lot again. He is a great soloist, in particular.
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I've been listening to his solo album lately and I have to say that "Harmony Korine" has officially become my favorite song by him. His voice is so beautiful in the song and it just sends pleasure through my whole body. It's like a soft lullaby and I always listen to this song in loop as it always puts me to sleep peacefully. Love him and his songs. I'm a sucker for those haunting songs...I'm happy I found out about him.
Hope you check his other solo albums and his work on Porcupine Tree. And the Blackfield and No-Man projects as well :P
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I've been listening to his solo album lately and I have to say that "Harmony Korine" has officially become my favorite song by him. His voice is so beautiful in the song and it just sends pleasure through my whole body. It's like a soft lullaby and I always listen to this song in loop as it always puts me to sleep peacefully. Love him and his songs. I'm a sucker for those haunting songs...I'm happy I found out about him.
Just about anything that man touches is gold.
If you want another song like that, check out Type O Negative's aptly named Haunted. Make sure to check out the Haunted (Per Version) version.
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I've been listening to his solo album lately and I have to say that "Harmony Korine" has officially become my favorite song by him. His voice is so beautiful in the song and it just sends pleasure through my whole body. It's like a soft lullaby and I always listen to this song in loop as it always puts me to sleep peacefully. Love him and his songs. I'm a sucker for those haunting songs...I'm happy I found out about him.
Hope you check his other solo albums and his work on Porcupine Tree. And the Blackfield and No-Man projects as well :P
SW is one of those REALLY prolific prog guys, who seems to be ALWAYS busy, and he's got a ton of back-catalog to prove it. Generally, a lot of it is good, though I'll admit to not even having checked out some of it (Bass Communion, IEM), but there are some great, lesser-known gems like the aforementioned No-Man (and if you end up liking No-Man, Tim Bowness, the other half of the duo, has been putting out pretty great solo albums in the last few years).
I'd say, for Blackfield, check out their first album first. I think it set the benchmark for the duo, and a lot of fans seem to favor it a lot!
For No-Man, it really depends on your individual tastes, but I'd say Schoolyard Ghosts (their last album) or Together We're Stranger (the one before that). I tend to reach for those two out of the six of their main studio albums, but even beyond that, they've got several EPs and Singles. I cannot imagine being a 100% collector of No-Man materials as some of that stuff has to be SUPER rare these days.
And speaking of duo-collaborations, you cannot forget his work with Opeth's Mikael Åkerfeldt - Storm Corrosion - which I haven't listened to in a long while, so maybe it's time to revisit it.
-Marc.
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I revisited Dead Wing today, what a flawless album, did not skip a song.
I didn't like The Incident that much but I find In Absentia, Dead Wing, Fear of a Blank Planet and Nil Recurring all to be gold, so is there any SW solo record that I might like? If so please recommend it to me.
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The Raven That Refused To Sing
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I revisited Dead Wing today, what a flawless album, did not skip a song.
I didn't like The Incident that much but I find In Absentia, Dead Wing, Fear of a Blank Planet and Nil Recurring all to be gold, so is there any SW solo record that I might like? If so please recommend it to me.
The Raven That Refused To Sing
Came to say this. It's pretty much a flawless album, especially if you liked IA/DW/FOABP. It's kind of like those, but with some more 70's prog influences (more in the King Crimson vein), with some amazing performances by the whole band. If you like TRTRTS, then try out Grace For Drowning, though I find that one a bit harder to "get into" by comparison.
-Marc.
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Thanks fellas
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I revisited Dead Wing today, what a flawless album, did not skip a song.
I didn't like The Incident that much but I find In Absentia, Dead Wing, Fear of a Blank Planet and Nil Recurring all to be gold, so is there any SW solo record that I might like? If so please recommend it to me.
The Raven That Refused To Sing
Came to say this. It's pretty much a flawless album, especially if you liked IA/DW/FOABP. It's kind of like those, but with some more 70's prog influences (more in the King Crimson vein), with some amazing performances by the whole band. If you like TRTRTS, then try out Grace For Drowning, though I find that one a bit harder to "get into" by comparison.
-Marc.
It definitely resonates with that 70s prog sound. That's the first thing I thought of when I listened to it the first time. It hooked me immediately.
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I revisited Dead Wing today, what a flawless album, did not skip a song.
I didn't like The Incident that much but I find In Absentia, Dead Wing, Fear of a Blank Planet and Nil Recurring all to be gold, so is there any SW solo record that I might like? If so please recommend it to me.
The Raven That Refused To Sing
Came to say this. It's pretty much a flawless album, especially if you liked IA/DW/FOABP. It's kind of like those, but with some more 70's prog influences (more in the King Crimson vein), with some amazing performances by the whole band. If you like TRTRTS, then try out Grace For Drowning, though I find that one a bit harder to "get into" by comparison.
-Marc.
It definitely resonates with that 70s prog sound. That's the first thing I thought of when I listened to it the first time. It hooked me immediately.
It also helps that Alan Parsons was the recording engineer, and I'm pretty sure SW and crew used all vintage instruments and equipment, as well as some recording live in the room (I think, though I could be wrong about that?), so even by process of MAKING the album, let alone writing, it had a very 70's feel to it. Easily one of my favorite releases by him, of any of his bands/projects. You can tell he took his time with it, and even whittled it down to under 55 minutes long, considering there were some songs and ideas leftover that were not put on the album (the Clock Song, The Birthday Party, and Year Of The Plague).
-Marc.
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I didn't know Alan Parsons was the recording engineer.
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I'm only a casual PT fan and haven't checked out much of his solo work but I listened to 4 1/2 the other day and thought it was great. I have recently made a playlist, on Spotify, of all the albums I've been meaning to check out over the last few years. All Steven's solo stuff is on there and so are some of the PT albums I've not heard.
I generally like everything I've heard but other than the song Lazarus I've not LOVED any of his songs (PT or solo). 4 1/2 did leave an impression though. I know I listened to TRTRTS back in 2015, and enjoyed it, but I never listened to it more than that original listen.
I'll see if anything else can draw me into being more than a casual fan :corn
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I revisited Dead Wing today, what a flawless album, did not skip a song.
I didn't like The Incident that much but I find In Absentia, Dead Wing, Fear of a Blank Planet and Nil Recurring all to be gold, so is there any SW solo record that I might like? If so please recommend it to me.
I'd recommend Hand Cannot Erase, because it's closest to PT stylistically.
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I agree. While I think the other SW solo albums all sound like they could be old PT albums, Hand Cannot Erase sounds the most like the modern PT.
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While not a Steven Wilson record, he helped produced and played in Opeth's Blackwater Park, Damnation and Deliverance albums. Damnation is mellow by Opeth standards and sounds a bit like Porcupine Tree and Wilson.
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A bit shocked people are recommending Raven or HCE to follow up the metal PT albums. They're about as far from each other as SW music gets.
Meanwhile, Insurgentes is a sonic twin with Deadwing. It simply gets weirder and explores more genres. Anyone who digs DW will probably dig Insurgentes before any other SW solo album.
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Seriously?
If anything, I thought the metal section of Ancestral made the whole things sound too much like Arriving Somewhere. And Home Invasion was another one that sounded like it could have been lifted straight from FOABP.
SW's first two albums are much different....but Raven started to go *a bit* more in the direction of latter day PT.....and now HCE just sounds like a straight up PT album to my ears. Not in a bad way....but ya. HCE could have easily been the follow up to The Incident without even batting an eye. (and it would have made a great comeback)
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Even though it rocks pretty hard at times, it does have that "soft lullaby" feel at times, the way those guitar lines in the verses move along slowly while he sings.
Also, it's great to see SW will be playing guitar a lot again. He is a great soloist, in particular.
Oh yes, definitely, the guitars. <3
Though his vocal harmonies are just so hypnotizing! Oh man, songs like these sends waves all over me. I want moar!!
I've been listening to his solo album lately and I have to say that "Harmony Korine" has officially become my favorite song by him. His voice is so beautiful in the song and it just sends pleasure through my whole body. It's like a soft lullaby and I always listen to this song in loop as it always puts me to sleep peacefully. Love him and his songs. I'm a sucker for those haunting songs...I'm happy I found out about him.
Hope you check his other solo albums and his work on Porcupine Tree. And the Blackfield and No-Man projects as well :P
Are they any good? I mean, I've heard only a couple of songs by PT, but it doesn't give me that feel like his solo albums do. But, I'll check it out!
I've been listening to his solo album lately and I have to say that "Harmony Korine" has officially become my favorite song by him. His voice is so beautiful in the song and it just sends pleasure through my whole body. It's like a soft lullaby and I always listen to this song in loop as it always puts me to sleep peacefully. Love him and his songs. I'm a sucker for those haunting songs...I'm happy I found out about him.
Just about anything that man touches is gold.
If you want another song like that, check out Type O Negative's aptly named Haunted. Make sure to check out the Haunted (Per Version) version.
Definitely. I'm really glad I found him. :)
Also checked it out and guess what?
Loved it~!!
I've been listening to his solo album lately and I have to say that "Harmony Korine" has officially become my favorite song by him. His voice is so beautiful in the song and it just sends pleasure through my whole body. It's like a soft lullaby and I always listen to this song in loop as it always puts me to sleep peacefully. Love him and his songs. I'm a sucker for those haunting songs...I'm happy I found out about him.
Hope you check his other solo albums and his work on Porcupine Tree. And the Blackfield and No-Man projects as well :P
SW is one of those REALLY prolific prog guys, who seems to be ALWAYS busy, and he's got a ton of back-catalog to prove it. Generally, a lot of it is good, though I'll admit to not even having checked out some of it (Bass Communion, IEM), but there are some great, lesser-known gems like the aforementioned No-Man (and if you end up liking No-Man, Tim Bowness, the other half of the duo, has been putting out pretty great solo albums in the last few years).
I'd say, for Blackfield, check out their first album first. I think it set the benchmark for the duo, and a lot of fans seem to favor it a lot!
For No-Man, it really depends on your individual tastes, but I'd say Schoolyard Ghosts (their last album) or Together We're Stranger (the one before that). I tend to reach for those two out of the six of their main studio albums, but even beyond that, they've got several EPs and Singles. I cannot imagine being a 100% collector of No-Man materials as some of that stuff has to be SUPER rare these days.
And speaking of duo-collaborations, you cannot forget his work with Opeth's Mikael Åkerfeldt - Storm Corrosion - which I haven't listened to in a long while, so maybe it's time to revisit it.
-Marc.
Will be sure to try them out! I've tried Storm Corrorsion, but it just doesn't work for me. Will try your other suggestions and maybe give SC another spin. Hopefully one of these listens can benefit me.
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SW's style is not samey, so I don't see the issue with recommending great stuff that isn't a lot like Insurgentes.
Serah Farron, if you are aching for great vocal harmonies, PT is right up your alley. Albums like Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun and In Absentia have some amazing vocal harmonies. And all three albums are freaking awesome.
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Serah Farron, if you are aching for great vocal harmonies, PT is right up your alley. Albums like Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun and In Absentia have some amazing vocal harmonies. And all three albums are freaking awesome.
All of this. And The Watchmaker, from The Raven That Refused to Sing, has an absolutely gorgeous "choir" section in the middle. SW harmonizing with himself is one of the most beautiful sounds in all of music.
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Ok, this will be pretty long and complicated so bear with me. I'm in love with Steven Wilson, and for me, I just love to listen to albums in order by their release date. So, I listened to samples of many projects Wilson was involved in and I made a list and put them in order of their date.
Bass Communion
1) I (April 1998)
2) II (July 1999)
3) III (March 2001)
4) Ghosts on Magnetic Tape (Feb 2004)
5) Indicates Void (Oct 2005)
6) Loss (Jan 2006)
7) Pacific Codex (Feb 2008)
8) Molotov and Haze (July 2008)
9) Chiaroscuro (July 2009)
10) Cenotaph (Nov 2011)
Blackfield
1) Blackfield (Jan 2004)
2) Blackfield II (Feb 2007)
3) Welcome to My DNA (March 2011)
4) Blackfield IV (August 2013)
5) Blackfield V (February 2017)
Continuum
1) Continuum I (March 2005)
2) The Continuum Recyclings, Volume One (July 2006)
3) Continuum II (July 2006)
4) The Continuum Recyclings, Volume Two (June 2010)
Incredible Expanding Mind
1) Arcadia Son (May 2001)
2) I.E.M. Have Come for Your Children (September 2001)
3) I.E.M. 1996-1999 (September 2005)
No-Man
1) Together We're Stranger (September 2003)
2) Schoolyard Ghosts (May 2008)
Porcupine Tree
1) In Absentia (September 2002)
2) Deadwing (March 2005)
3) Fear of a Blank Planet (April 2007)
4) The Incident (September 2009)
Storm Corrosion
1) Storm Corrosion (May 2012)
Solo Work
1) Insurgentes (Feb 2009)
2) Grace for Drowning (September 2011)
3) The Raven That Refused to Sing (And Other Stories) (February 2013)
4) Hand.Cannot.Erase (February 2015)
Then I placed all of them in order and here is what I came up with. So, this will be the beginning of my trek of Steven Wilson. :)
Now, I only some albums aren't here, so you don't have to tell me that, but I'm content with all this. Thoughts? Are there any albums that I missed that you'd personally recommend? If you do, I'll try to give that a try. Thanks. :)
Steven Wilson Discography in Order:
1) I (April 1998) Bass Communion
2) II (July 1999) Bass Communion
3) III (March 2001) Bass Communion
4) Arcadia Son (May 2001) I.E.M
5) I.E.M. Have Come for Your Children (September 2001) I.E.M
6) In Absentia (September 2002) Porcupine Tree
7) Together We're Stranger (September 2003) No Man
8) Blackfield (Jan 2004) Blackfield
9) Ghosts on Magnetic Tape (Feb 2004) Bass Communion
10) Continuum I (March 2005) Continuum
11) Deadwing (March 2005) Porcupine Tree
12) I.E.M. 1996-1999 (September 2005) I.E.M
13) Indicates Void (Oct 2005) Bass Communion
14) Loss (Jan 2006) Bass Communion
15) The Continuum Recyclings, Volume One (July 2006) Continuum
16) Continuum II (July 2006) Continuum
17) Blackfield II (Feb 2007) Blackfield
18) Fear of a Blank Planet (April 2007) Porcupine Tree
19) Pacific Codex (Feb 2008) Bass Communion
20) Schoolyard Ghosts (May 2008) No-Man
21) Molotov and Haze (July 2008) Bass Communion
22) Insurgentes (Feb 2009) Solo Album
23) Chiaroscuro (July 2009) Bass Communion
24) The Incident (September 2009) Porcupine Tree
25) The Continuum Recyclings, Volume Two (June 2010) Continuum
26) Welcome to My DNA (March 2011) Blackfield
27) Grace for Drowning (September 2011) Solo Album
28) Cenotaph (Nov 2011) Bass Communion
29) Storm Corrosion (May 2012) Storm Corrosion
30) The Raven That Refused to Sing And Other Stories (February 2013) Solo Album
31) Blackfield IV (August 2013) Blackfield
32) Hand.Cannot.Erase (February 2015) Solo Album
33) Blackfield V (???) Blackfield
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I would suggest most of the Pre-In Absentia Porcupine Tree albums for sure.
I consider "Lightbulb Sun" to be best PT album.
Signify, Stupid Dream, The Sky Moves Sideways, Up the Downstair and Voyage 34 as well.
The only record that many including myself don't see at a similar level is On the Sunday of Life, their debut album, which actually still has some decent tracks on it.
Also not his project, but I'd throw in "shutDOWN" from OSI.
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I would suggest most of the Pre-In Absentia Porcupine Tree albums for sure.
I consider "Lightbulb Sun" to be best PT album.
Signify, Stupid Dream, The Sky Moves Sideways, Up the Downstair and Voyage 34 as well.
The only record that many including myself don't see at a similar level is On the Sunday of Life, their debut album, which actually still has some decent tracks on it.
Also not his project, but I'd throw in "shutDOWN" from OSI.
Ah, the other PT albums? I'll give them a spin. Might like it the second time around. Thanks for the suggestions! Will also check out OSI.
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I'd personally skip the bass communion, continuum, and IEM albums unless you're into ambient/drone/experimental stuff. I'd recommend just one project at a time - they're all varied and you won't get bored. Finish with his solo stuff and dive into Porcupine Tree. Then I'd suggest Blackfield -> No-Man -> Storm Corrosion -> Bass Communion/Continuum -> IEM. Have fun :)
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New interview with Steven
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/steven_wilson_what_to_expect_from_my_new_album.html
"It's a new day and a new direction. Of course, it's still going to sound like one of my records, but it's a little more song-based, a little more contemporary-sounding.
"And I'm playing more guitar myself, which is very different. Because on the last couple of records I had Guthrie Govan doing most of the guitar work. But this time around, I've gone for a different approach.
"I've played some solos that I'm really pleased with. It's nice to be back in the saddle of actually being a guitar player again."
I am not very thrilled that he's gonna play more guitar and that Guthrie is not a part of the new album. I'm sorry but Steven is a terrible guitarist and I felt like Marco and Guthrie contributed a lot to Steven's last two albums and in the end they made HCE the great album it is. I always felt that Steven is a great composer, but he needs the right people behind him to play his great compositions. That's why I find most of the Porcupine tree albums very poor in comparison to his last three solo efforts. Sorry to all the PT fans.
Anyway, I think he will make a great album. He really surprised me with his last three albums and I'm sure he will do so again.
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That is a great list Serah. I'm a fan of ambient stuff so I'll have to check out some of his other work.
New interview with Steven
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/steven_wilson_what_to_expect_from_my_new_album.html
"It's a new day and a new direction. Of course, it's still going to sound like one of my records, but it's a little more song-based, a little more contemporary-sounding.
"And I'm playing more guitar myself, which is very different. Because on the last couple of records I had Guthrie Govan doing most of the guitar work. But this time around, I've gone for a different approach.
"I've played some solos that I'm really pleased with. It's nice to be back in the saddle of actually being a guitar player again."
I am not very thrilled that he's gonna play more guitar and that Guthrie is not a part of the new album. I'm sorry but Steven is a terrible guitarist and I felt like Marco and Guthrie contributed a lot to Steven's last two albums and in the end they made HCE the great album it is. I always felt that Steven is a great composer, but he needs the right people behind him to play his great compositions. That's why I find most of the Porcupine tree albums very poor in comparison to his last three solo efforts. Sorry to all the PT fans.
Anyway, I think he will make a great album. He really surprised me with his last three albums and I'm sure he will do so again.
I have to disagree with you. I'm probably the biggest Guthrie fan on the forum and a large part of the reason I got the last album was because Guthrie was playing on it but SW isn't a bad guitarist. I always thought he was able to play what the songs needed. As long as he doesn't try to do a solo like Drive Home or Regret #9 it'll be fine.
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33) Blackfield V (???) Blackfield
This little bit here had me worried that Blackfield V has been delayed yet again. Still February 10th release as far as I'm aware.
On another subject, has everyone forgotten all the great Porcupine Tree guitar solos? SW is a very good guitarist, better than many here give him credit for.
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I think Fritzinger is the only one. :P
SW had countless great solos with PT, which cannot be overlooked. No, he's not a technical player like Govan, but I say, so what? Wilson comes more from the David Gilmour school of playing.
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Countless great solos like...?
I am not saying that you have to play fast or technical to be a good guitarist. My favorite guitarist is still Mark Knopfler. But also, Steven imo opinion is not even close to Gilmour's genius guitar playing. Name one PT solo that has as much class as.. say, Time or the midsection in Atom Heart Mother.
He does fine as a rhythm guitarist. But now we have to say goodbye to solos like Ancestral, Drive Home, Regret, The Watchmaker. And I always felt, that solos like those, alongside other things, were something PT music was missing compared to his solo stuff.
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Leave out comparisons to Gilmour (who has almost no peers when it comes to soloing). Just his solos on their merit alone, not on him vs. anybody, especially since your comment was that he was a terrible guitarist, which is the point we were addressing, not how he compares to anyone else.
Dark Matter
Waiting
Prodigal
Time Flies
Lips of Ashes
Always Never
The Sound of Muzak
Shesmovedon
Lightbulb Sun
The Moon Touches Your Shoulder
Stranger by the Minute
Russia on Ice
Shall I go on?
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Agreed. Especially Dark Matter has such an incredible solo, I love it.
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TWO great solos, actually! The one between the first chorus and second verse is also stellar.
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You forgot the Half Light solo. Such a beautiful solo. It could go on for a long time and I would never tire of it
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I'd personally skip the bass communion, continuum, and IEM albums unless you're into ambient/drone/experimental stuff. I'd recommend just one project at a time - they're all varied and you won't get bored. Finish with his solo stuff and dive into Porcupine Tree. Then I'd suggest Blackfield -> No-Man -> Storm Corrosion -> Bass Communion/Continuum -> IEM. Have fun :)
Ah, thanks Sacul! Yeah, it's still going to take a long while to get used to the drone stuff so yeah, I'll follow your advice. I did start with Insurgentes, so it would make sense to finish his solo album. Just downloaded Grace for Drowning and am ready to be blown away. Thanks for your suggestion!
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That is a great list Serah. I'm a fan of ambient stuff so I'll have to check out some of his other work.
Thanks Reap! :)
You should check it out. Just listened partly to Drugged and it was awesome!
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I love me some SW guitar solos. It's a combination of a good lead guitar tone with a knack for interesting or emotionally moving melody. As much as I liked Guthrie on his new albums - and he did play some solos occasionly - I missed the signature SW lead guitar style. Good to hear he's letting those return on his upcoming record.
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but what if he got David Gilmour to do the solo's? The guy attended his concert, which was mentioned, so why not get the real deal for his next album?
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Just listened partly to Drugged and it was awesome!
The Drugged suite is the best non-PT/SW thing SW ever made. It was also used as the skeleton for the No-Man title track on Together We're Stranger. Just beautiful stuff.
Other notable Bass Communion stuff that's easy/cool to get into is Atmospherics (all short pieces, includes that 'barking' synth from the intro of ".3" on In Absentia) and "43553E99.01" from BCIII (the hammered dulcimer piece that solos on the "Lips of Ashes" intro). I think having context from other SW work lets BC shine a little brighter than it does on its own if you're unfamiliar.
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I love me some SW guitar solos. It's a combination of a good lead guitar tone with a knack for interesting or emotionally moving melody. As much as I liked Guthrie on his new albums - and he did play some solos occasionly - I missed the signature SW lead guitar style. Good to hear he's letting those return on his upcoming record.
This.
Besides all the aforementioned SW guitar solos (Dark Matter, Lips of Ashes and The Sound of Muzak are my favorites), I Drive the Hearse, I Find That I'm Not There and Way Out of Here are great too.
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Radioactive Toy has a great solo c. 7 minutes in.
And it might be cool to have someone like Gilmour guest solo on a track, but Steven Wilson wants Steven Wilson on guitar for this album.
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there's actually a new 7" single for Radioactive Toy coming out soon on KScope.
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I like SW's guitar playing, but I can't deny that Marco's and Guthrie's additions to the last two albums gave them a sparkle that I would like to see continued.
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there's actually a new 7" single for Radioactive Toy coming out soon on KScope.
There's a what? Must be the short version/s.
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there's actually a new 7" single for Radioactive Toy coming out soon on KScope.
There's a what? Must be the short version/s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6FwpT1XHHw
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there's actually a new 7" single for Radioactive Toy coming out soon on KScope.
There's a what? Must be the short version/s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6FwpT1XHHw
I think you confused the Pineapple Thief and Porcupine Tree entries in this podcast.
The Pineapple Thief song with Anchoress is coming out on a 7".
"Radioactive Toy" is the Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape version, played in promotion of the Delerium Years vinyl box.
Once he moves on to the Porcupine Tree section, Billy Reeves does not say the words "seven inch" anywhere.
(Not that I blame you, when TPT and PT are so bloody close to the eye!)
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Guthrie had some great playing on the SW solo discs but I couldn't really connect with them. Guthrie does everything right, the Drive Home solo is almost out of a book that teaches the perfect solo, BUT it doesn't reach me on an emotional level.
SW solos can do that, and in addition he has some really out there solos, like the one in Strip The Soul, the atonal thing, which I find really great.
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I like SW's guitar playing, but I can't deny that Marco's and Guthrie's additions to the last two albums gave them a sparkle that I would like to see continued.
I agree 100% with this. GG's solos were outstanding.
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New interview with Steven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbi1PpfiH4Q
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Interesting interview.
I wonder why he hates the whole playlist culture or seems to think negatively about people listening to music while doing other things.
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Interesting interview.
I wonder why he hates the whole playlist culture or seems to think negatively about people listening to music while doing other things.
His whole anti-MP3/anti-streaming mentality goes against the idea of DIY-playlists of music. He holds the sanctity of the "album" very high, and believes music that is crafted as an art form, meant for active listening, can only be appreciated in the order the songs were originally presented in by the artist.
In some ways, I do agree with him, and in others, he comes off as very elitist in his views, but this is nothing new at all.
-Marc.
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Yeah, Steven is an album guy, and playlists are the most anti-album thing that has ever happened to music. I understand playlists because 95% of music out there is song-oriented and not album-oriented, but I agree that it kinda takes a bit away from the album art form that most of us (at least members of the forum) know and love.
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See, that's intriguing to me especially since just a few days ago I gained him a new devout fan who has literally never listened to an entire album of his, she only listens to her favorites and has her own little SW/PT playlist. But she's still super into him and wants to go to a concert and buy more albums, memorabilia, the whole 9 yards.
It's completely out of her usual favorite genre and is a breath of fresh air for her but I wonder if SW, knowing this, would really just kind of shrug her off and think poorly of her just because of that?
Hm.
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This whole playlist vs. album discussion makes it always sound like you can't have both.
There are times when I prefer the whole album and there are times when I want to listen to some of my custom playlists. And guess what, it's cool do to what I want. :biggrin:
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Steven is just an oldschool guy in that way. For some bands/artists, the singles is a way to sell/promote the album, and for others the album is a way to sell/promote their singles. Steven is one of those guys banking on the album experience as a whole, but I agree that you can have both. Personally I listen to albums 95% of the time I listen to music, but there's nothing wrong with a mixed list either. People were making mix tapes back in the day as well to get mixed flavor.
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This whole playlist vs. album discussion makes it always sound like you can't have both.
There are times when I prefer the whole album and there are times when I want to listen to some of my custom playlists. And guess what, it's cool do to what I want. :biggrin:
Exactly, it's not like you have to exclusively do either. I mainly listen to albums as a whole but I also just love listening to my favourite songs on random. I find that side of SW to be quite off putting.
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This whole playlist vs. album discussion makes it always sound like you can't have both.
There are times when I prefer the whole album and there are times when I want to listen to some of my custom playlists. And guess what, it's cool do to what I want. :biggrin:
Of course you can have both (I have my Spotify playlists as well), but they have changed the way people listen to music.
I mean, playlists as a concept have been around ever since custom tapes were made by peeps out there, but there are more people nowadays that exclusively listen to playlists without ever putting attention to the albums from which the songs are from.
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I put music on my phone when I'm showering.
I buy vinyl and cd but I guess I'm not a proper fan of music
Unless I listen to an album from start to finish every time ...
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SW would be disgusted with you Kotow
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I put music on my phone when I'm showering.
SW would be disgusted with you Kotow
He would be, wasting time showering!! What sort of music fan are you? Anyone who is serious is certainly not clean! :lol
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I think it is fairly obvious that he is talking about the general trend of music consumption. Not necessarily that the mere act of playlisting is a bad thing.
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I think it is fairly obvious that he is talking about the general trend of music consumption. Not necessarily that the mere act of playlisting is a bad thing.
Agreed. And while I get his frustration, the way things are now make it easier for fans to get more good music and far less likely to have to buy bad music. Think of albums back in the 70s that had a classic or two and then a lot of crap on it, and fans had to buy the whole album to get that good song or two. Not anymore.
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Yea there are pros and cons of the current state of music. Overall I think it is a positive thing because people can listen to music pretty much any way they want now. Those of us who still appreciate the full album experience are able to have that. I doubt anyone who doesn't consume music that way is going to be listening to SW's music anyway (generally speaking, I know there was an exception to this mentioned here already).
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Obviously when i buy a new album I listen to it from start to finish several times over.
If i'm just going out for a quick walk then i'll shuffle my music.
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I listen must WAY more music now that I ever did back in the day and that is all that matters as far as I'm concerned.
Cut back to 92 where here I am taking a cassette out and putting it in the stereo. Fast forwarding, then rewinding trying to find a song I like. Having to flip the thing over and then worst of all, having to just sit there. Because of that whole process, I might listen to a song here or there from time to time. And on top of that, starting out with cassettes, there was no beautiful album art and liner notes to fawn and gush over. It was all printed and typed out on that tiny ass paper and it was a pain the ass getting it folded back up and in the casette case, so most the time I never even looked at it.
now cut to today, where my iphone is playing music all day long. Whether its during the commute, getting stuff done at work, cleaning up around the house, making dinner, you name it.
So the former vinyl age he's talking about, I never experienced it. If it was that sweet, then more power to him. But for me I love the new technology. It has made listening to music a million times easier.
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We've got a new clip. This time featuring harmonica.
Kinda remind me of Time Flies for some reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAPJvWJAOFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAPJvWJAOFI)
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I have no idea how you get Time Flies from that but it sounds SOOO GOOOOD! Love that sound. I can't wait for this.
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I think it was the guitar sound that reminds me of the middle of Time Flies.
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Reminded me of Pink Floyd's "Time" actually. Or is that what you meant?
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That clip has got me really excited for the album now.
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Reminded me of Pink Floyd's "Time" actually. Or is that what you meant?
No, sorry guys. I just heard something and made a connection I thought I heard.
Really looking forward to the new album though. These clips have me pumped
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Have there been any hints as to what KIND of album SW5 will be? Conceptual (in the loose, thematic sense, or perhaps in the over-arching, 'rock opera' kind?), or just another collection of songs?
I suspect another album of 5-7 songs, all in the 6-12 minute range.
...yeah, that's pretty vague.
-Marc.
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Reminded me of Pink Floyd's "Time" actually. Or is that what you meant?
No, sorry guys. I just heard something and made a connection I thought I heard.
I get it. You mean the middle section of Time Flies, the solo section.
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I really would like another regular album. Even if it's one of those concept albums that is more thematic than story focused, it'd be a nice change of pace.
Also the older I get the less inclined towards concept album I am. I suppose chalking it up to less time to sit and listen, but I know it's also my own tastes changing.
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The only problem I see with concept albums is when it's a shitty concept that can bring down the album. But, I trust Steven to know when he's sitting on something good or whether to scrap it.
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I get it. You mean the middle section of Time Flies, the solo section.
Bingo. That's what I was thinking of
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I'll be excited for it whatever he does, but a 'normal' collection of unrelated songs would be more of a change of pace than a thematic concept album. The album before last (Raven) was that. HCE was a story-based concept, but a loose story, more like Marillion's Brave than DT's The Astonishing. He hasn't done a non-concept album since Grace for Drowning.
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For those interested, I reviewed the new album by The Mute Gods (https://www.musicalypse.net/2017-the-mute-gods-tardigrades-will-inherit-the-earth/), which features Nick and Marco from SW's band. It's a pretty solid record and a few songs have a SW/PT vibe, so I recommend it!
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signs with Major Label
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSgE4MZAOeM/
stevenwilsonhqVery happy to announce that I have signed a new worldwide record deal with Caroline International, part of the Universal Music Group. Caroline is also home to some of the most respected artists in the industry, including Peter Gabriel, Iggy Pop, Underworld, Van Morrison, and Thurston Moore, among others. The new album is almost finished, lots more news soon!
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I can already hear certain types among our prog community moaning at this. Who cares what label he's on. We know the music's gonna be amazing! We should have no doubts about that now.
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I can already hear certain types among our prog community moaning at this. Who cares what label he's on. We know the music's gonna be amazing! We should have no doubts about that now.
Yeah, it's not like he's someone that you have to worry about. I'm sure any deal he signs keeps him in control of everything he wants to be in control of, which is typically most everything.
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As long as the label doesn't force a certain style on a performer, it's fine. And that doesn't happen too often in the prog sphere, so I can't see there being any problems with this.
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I see SW as the absolute last person on earth to change for the label. In 2017 at least.
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Well I mean he has done it before. But I think the problem is that people make a bigger deal out of it than it really is. At most you'll probably see a label have some ideas or suggestions but the notion that a label forms the output of a band/artist in 2017 doesn't really ring true. And SW especially has worked himself up to a point where he doesn't need to take input from anyone.
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People love to blow shit out of proportion.
I think it's pretty clear from anyone that knows the man even through interviews, watching and hearing him, reading about him (or even briefly speaking to him), it's more than likely that he wouldn't have signed in the first place if he thought he'd be pressured into anything by the label.
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Creative freedom + more publicity = win-win, and it's not like SW has never flirted with the mainstream before.
I wonder if the way Kscope delayed Blackfield V by three months had anything to do with the change of label.
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I would say SW definitely flirted with the mainstream when PT was starting to build momentum. Like In Absentia and Deadwing. There's definitely songs on both, Shallow being a good example which definitely has that "written to be a single"-vibe and SW has even acknowledged as much. And I know he kinda hates Shallow and has expressed negative feelings towards some other songs for similar reasons, but funny enough those are some of the most popular albums so it's not like the fans have had a problem with it. So even with the few occasions where SW could be blamed for selling out or trying to appeal to the masses, even the fans ended up happy with the result and it was only really himself who became disappointed.
But SW back then and now is such a difference, and he has also accepted his role as king of prog rather than trying to make it into the mainstream, so I really doubt we'll ever hear him try to write songs adjusted for the radio again.
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That was Steven's choice. Not the record label.
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SW is one guy I trust that would never sign away any kind of creative control just to be on a label.
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It's all about promotion and distribution.
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https://www.progrock.co.uk/Mobile/MBSCProduct.asp?pdtid=23255544
TO THE BONE
Coming out August 18th
1. To The Bone
2. Nowhere Now
3. Pariah
4. The Same Asylum As Before
5. Refuge
6. Permanating
7. Blank Tapes
8. People Who Eat Darkness
9. Song Of I
10. Detonation
11. Song Of Unborn
-Marc.
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Cool! I'm getting a sort of autobiographical vibe from it. I wonder if there's a concept at all, though I doubt SW can write an album without a concept whatsoever :lol
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Looking forward to that...of course. He never disappoints.
This always makes me laugh no matter how many times I see it.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5a/50/e0/5a50e07e570f209b39c33c418bf0dec5.jpg)
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Awesome news!
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I'll check it out, I'm sure with most Steve Wilson solo output I'll find a couple of great songs.
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I'll always check it out, but him solo just isn't something I regularly listen to. I bought HCE, and while obviously good, I just don't get into his solo stuff as much as I did PT.
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HCE was the album of 2015 and one of the overall highlights of his rich and encompassing career, and the two albums before it were also remarkable. I'm really looking forward to this.
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I'm interested even though disappointed Guthrie won't be on this album.
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The link doesn't work for me, though. I wonder what else it featured, did we get the cover art or anything else cool? There isn't any official info out there yet, though, I just checked Steven's FaceBook page.
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The link died, but this is what they had
(https://i.redd.it/igz93kdsg8wy.jpg)
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https://metalwani.com/2017/05/steven-wilson-reveal-tracklisting-release-date-for-new-album.html
Fusing driving futurist rock and spectral electronics to elegiac hyper-space ambience and dizzying, squalling guitars, ‘To The Bone’ is Steven Wilson’s hat-tip to the hugely ambitious progressive pop records of his youth (think Peter Gabriel’s So, Talk Talk’s Colour of Spring, Tears for Fears Seeds of Love).
Lyrically, the album’s eleven tracks veer from the paranoid chaos of the post-truth era and the creeping self-loathing of the technology age to steely fly-on-the-wall observations of the everyday lives of religious fundamentalists with a welcome shot or two of wide-eyed escapism. Sonically and melodically stunning, To The Bone is a high definition snapshot of the disconcerting times we live in. The album will release on August 18, 2017.
It’s been over two and a half years years since the release of Steven Wilson’s last album Hand. Cannot. Erase., a major conceptual project involving the creation of a whole back story for the main character through the blog and the most elaborate deluxe edition to date. The album sold very well, reaching the top 5 in Germany, The Netherlands and Finland, number 13 in the UK and number 38 in the US Billboard top 200. The subsequent tour consisted of 150 shows, including 2 special sold out shows at the Royal Albert Hall, London.
All of Steven’s 4 albums have been very different in character from each other, and once again this latest album will be a step into something quite different, as well as on a new label.
As a fan of Peter Gabriel and Tears for Fears I'm stoked to hear about the 80s influence, but the cover looks a little cheesy with him posing on it.
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That album cover reminds me of this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/67/Prince_SelfTitled.jpg)
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Well, out of SW solo album covers, I only like Raven and perhaps Grace for Drowning ones, so it's not like I was expecting something wonderful. As long as the music is good, I'm fine.
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Sincerely hope that is not the cover art. It's horrible.
Well, out of SW solo album covers, I only like Raven and perhaps Grace for Drowning ones, so it's not like I was expecting something wonderful. As long as the music is good, I'm fine.
HCE has an incredible cover, imo. It's a perfect representation of the concept.
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I do agree it's terrible cover art.
My favorite I think would be Ravens.
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I haven't liked any of his covers except for Insurgentes and Grace, but this new one doesn't feel worse than Raven or HCE imo.
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The art for HCE is stunning and I love it. GFD is pretty good too. The others are just ok for me. New one is whack
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Until it's confirmed I'm just going to hope that that isn't the official cover art.
I really love both the art for HCE (even got the shirt) and Raven :azn:
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https://progreport.com/hear-new-track-steven-wilson-pariah-featuring-ninet-tayeb/
New song "Pariah"
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Listening.
It's... interesting.
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I like that song a lot. While I thought HCE was very good, I'm ready for another SW album that I cannot get out of my CD player for months. :hat
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I like that song a lot.
Beautiful song.
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I love this song. Ninet sounds amazing!
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"Purple rain, purple rain "
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Album cover looks like a mix between Peter Gabriel's So with the colors of Us. If that's the vibe he's going for, makes sense.
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I think the cover is fine.
The HCE cover is amazing though.
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https://metalwani.com/2017/05/steven-wilson-reveal-tracklisting-release-date-for-new-album.html
No, MetalWani, Steven Wilson hasn't said a thing about it through his official channels yet. Progrock .co .uk jumped the gun and leaked the info early.
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HCE has an incredible cover, imo. It's a perfect representation of the concept.
:iagree:
The new song sounds really good, Ninet's vocals = :heart
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Pretty good song I guess, got some chills so it must be good then. Bring on the album.
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Holy shit, that announcement on Facebook! That's how you do it :)
I'm at work, so I can't listen to the song right now (maybe I can sneak away in a bit).
I want to pre-order the LP, because I'm sure this is going to be good.
Does anyone know who's playing on the album? I kind of want to know this as well, before ordering it. I'd say Nick Beggs and Adam Holzman are a given. I'm pretty sure Guthrie isn't on there ( :( ), so my first guess is Dave Kilminster on guitars. But who's drumming? Marco Minnemann is available as far as I know, but the last tours we had Craig Blundell.
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I'm loving the new song! :omg: Ninet's vocals are really great, I also love the post-rock feel of the bridge,
He just officially anounced the album, and it's indeed the official album cover that was posted on the previous page :P
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I'm glad Pariah is as good as the teaser from a few months ago made me hope it would be.
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Song was okay, nothing wrong with it, it's just not something I personally would want to come back to often.
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Not super excited after that. Wilson doesn't do pop very well
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For the amount of praise Wilson gets, his music does little to nothing for me. This new song didn't change that.
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Holy shit, that announcement on Facebook! That's how you do it :)
I'm at work, so I can't listen to the song right now (maybe I can sneak away in a bit).
I want to pre-order the LP, because I'm sure this is going to be good.
Does anyone know who's playing on the album? I kind of want to know this as well, before ordering it. I'd say Nick Beggs and Adam Holzman are a given. I'm pretty sure Guthrie isn't on there ( :( ), so my first guess is Dave Kilminster on guitars. But who's drumming? Marco Minnemann is available as far as I know, but the last tours we had Craig Blundell.
Looks like the confirmed musicians so far include
Nick Beggs
Adam Holzman
Ninet Tayeb
Craig Blundell
David Kollar (guitar on 3 songs)
Mark Feltham (harmonica)
Andy Partridge (co-writer on 2 songs)
The Wikipedia article on SW also claims that some of the drums were played by Jeremy Stacey, but I don't know if there's any real confirmation on that besides the fact that his brother Paul Stacey was the recording engineer.
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Not super excited after that. Wilson doesn't do pop very well
Wrong, sir! Wrong! Piano Lessons. Pure Narcotic. The Sound of Muzak. Halo. Basically the vast majority of his shorter songs. SW does pop very very brilliantly indeed.
I love the idea that it's influenced by the artier/proggier end of 80s pop, Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel, Talk Talk, Tears for Fears etc.
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The Wikipedia article on SW also claims that some of the drums were played by Jeremy Stacey, but I don't know if there's any real confirmation on that besides the fact that his brother Paul Stacey was the recording engineer.
I'm glad he's left the High Flying Birds. I hate his drumming and i'm really happy that Chris Sharrock from oasis is now Noel Gallagher's drummer.
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What a mediocre offering. Disappointed. Even Ninet does not sound good.
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"Bonus CD exclusive to the deluxe edition."
Uuuuggghhhhh.
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Song was pretty good! I remember feeling on the fence about the first song released from HCE, but loved it in the context of the album. I'm sure this will be the same.
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Well, I caved and got the box set, $97 after shipping to California. Didn't get the deluxe box for HCE so I didn't want to miss out on this one. Loved the new track, so even though I'm bummed it won't be as proggy of an album, I expect it to be incredible :tup
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The song was alright, I'll check it out again but it wasn't anything special.
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SW releases a new track and I don't know how he does it, but it again hits me straight in the feels.
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Lengths (https://itunes.apple.com/nl/album/to-the-bone/id1229887725), for those who like to know such things:
1. To the Bone - 6:41
2. Nowhere Now - 4:03
3. Pariah - 4:46
4. The Same Asylum as Before - 5:14
5. Refuge - 6:43
6. Permanating - 3:34
7. Blank Tapes - 2:08
8. People Who Eat Darkness - 6:02
9. Song of I - 5:21
10. Detonation - 9:19
11. Song of Unborn - 5:55
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Checking out Ninet's latest album now, and it's seriously cool stuff. It's adventurous and it rocks, solid tunes.
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Lengths (https://itunes.apple.com/nl/album/to-the-bone/id1229887725), for those who like to know such things:
1. To the Bone - 6:41
2. Nowhere Now - 4:03
3. Pariah - 4:46
4. The Same Asylum as Before - 5:14
5. Refuge - 6:43
6. Permanating - 3:34
7. Blank Tapes - 2:08
8. People Who Eat Darkness - 6:02
9. Song of I - 5:21
10. Detonation - 9:19
11. Song of Unborn - 5:55
Not a single 10+ minute track, a first since his first solo album Insurgentes, though "Detonation" comes close. Looks like the album will be 59:46 long, just under an hour (which has always been Steven's magic-length of a perfect album, or so it seems since FOABP). Like many of his albums though, there will undoubtedly be material that was not put on the album that may or may not relate to the concept and many fans, or maybe just me, will attempt to reconstruct the "full album" with said outtakes (because really, I think almost every PT album and all of his solo albums have some collection of B-sides and outtakes that never made the cut).
-Marc.
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Interesting.
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Song was okay, nothing wrong with it, it's just not something I personally would want to come back to often.
That's why I thought about Perfect Life the first time I heard it. Then I heard it within the context of the album and it is now one of the 4-5 songs from HCE that I often go back to. With SW, it really is about the whole album experience.
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Song was quite good, and I expect it to be even better within the context of the album. That deluxe edition looks nice and all, but I have little use for the pictures and the journal, other than looking at them once, and the $100+ price tag to get it to Canada is way too high a price to pay. That's a shame, those demos and unused songs, as well as the 7 inch vinyl instrumental and the making of documentary would be nice to have, but I simply cannot afford that.
Do these type of things usually get released or made available afterward? I would pay $40-50 for an edition with all of the songs and the making of doc, but as it stands, I will likely just be using my spotify account to access this.
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That's why I thought about Perfect Life the first time I heard it. Then I heard it within the context of the album and it is now one of the 4-5 songs from HCE that I often go back to. With SW, it really is about the whole album experience.
Exactly. Had anyone told me Perfect life would be my 2nd favorite on the album after the first time I had heard it, I wouldn't have believed it.
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Song was okay, nothing wrong with it, it's just not something I personally would want to come back to often.
That's why I thought about Perfect Life the first time I heard it. Then I heard it within the context of the album and it is now one of the 4-5 songs from HCE that I often go back to. With SW, it really is about the whole album experience.
That's a good point. I'm sure the song in context, on the record, could shift my opinion.
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Sweeeeeeeet! Off the grid a few days only to come back to this. Great stuff. Super sexy cover. I think he should have gone with a naked sushi bar cover though. Same lighting.
Pariah is awesome, though I'm sure it'll take a little while to really sink in, as does most of Wilson's work.
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I think the new song is beautiful. I can't wait for the new album and another chance to see SW again next year. Last time I saw them was in NYC last year and SW could barely sing because he was so sick :sadpanda:
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there is a presale for the tickets in germany. best seats cost over 60 euros. do you think the tickets are cheaper on friday on the official sale date?
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That song was a big old pile of "meh" for me, but then again I haven't cared much for anything he's released since FoaBP so I'm probably not the best judge at this point :lol
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Looking forward to the cd, but three months is a long time to wait for the entire cd. I know it is all about marketing, but I love the way Avenged Sevenfold released the latest cd with little to no notice.
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SW releases a new track and I don't know how he does it, but it again hits me straight in the feels.
Exactly!
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Pariah is Steven Wilson's Don't Give Up. He just needs to do a video where he and Ninet hug the whole time. Great song, especially with that big post rock crescendo.
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Just realized how the thread title was punctuated. :lol Bravo.
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Just realized how the thread title was punctuated. :lol Bravo.
I probably wouldn't have snapped if you didn't post this.
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:natalieportman:
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Just realized how the thread title was punctuated. :lol Bravo.
Happy to be of service. :biggrin:
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https://progreport.com/hear-new-track-steven-wilson-pariah-featuring-ninet-tayeb/
New song "Pariah"
Meh.
So far, HCE was the only Steven Wilson album (including PT) that resonated with me, and this song is clearly in the vein of his pre-HCE offerings.
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https://progreport.com/hear-new-track-steven-wilson-pariah-featuring-ninet-tayeb/
New song "Pariah"
Meh.
So far, HCE was the only Steven Wilson album (including PT) that resonated with me, and this song is clearly in the vein of his pre-HCE offerings.
I'd actually say it's mostly in the vein of HCE, especially the pop and electronic influences
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Absolutely. It sounds like it could have been on HCE - which is great news for me personally.
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https://progreport.com/hear-new-track-steven-wilson-pariah-featuring-ninet-tayeb/
New song "Pariah"
Meh.
So far, HCE was the only Steven Wilson album (including PT) that resonated with me, and this song is clearly in the vein of his pre-HCE offerings.
I'd actually say it's mostly in the vein of HCE, especially the pop and electronic influences
It's not really the style. It's more of the mood. This sounds dark, almost depressed. A lot of songs in HCE is brimming with emotions, the underlying loneliness was very palpable. Routine made me cry. A song like Raven just leaves me numb because of the darkness.
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Pariah is a nice soothing uplifting song. The mood is calming, the atmosphere sounds ethereal. I enjoyed it, made me want to buy the album now.
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Steven Wilson released another song last might. It's pretty nice, not really new ground but still very solid. Perhaps the most Porcupine Tree sounding song since Porcupine Tree. Also some rather high singing for him.
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Ouch, those vocals are quite bad.
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Steven Wilson released another song last might. It's pretty nice, not really new ground but still very solid. Perhaps the most Porcupine Tree sounding song since Porcupine Tree. Also some rather high singing for him.
Yeah, very PT indeed. It's a nice song overall, that's as much as can be said.
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Cool song I like it. The high vocal thing on the verses isn't great though.
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Steven Wilson released another song last might. It's pretty nice, not really new ground but still very solid. Perhaps the most Porcupine Tree sounding song since Porcupine Tree. Also some rather high singing for him.
Yeah, it sounds straight out of SD/IA/DW with the chord changes and slide guitar. Bastard son of Prodigal and Muzak or something.
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I'm not gonna listen to it, I've been burned before with ruining my "first album listen" experience by knowing some of the songs already.
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Pretty good song, I like it more than pariah.
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Okay that riff is waaay too Prodigal but I really like the energy in the beat. I dig Blundell's grooves a lot.
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What new song? A title or a link would be helpful.
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What new song? A title or a link would be helpful.
It's on Spotify and various other streaming platforms. Also on Dailymotion and a small teaser on YouTube. Duuude
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DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDEEEEEEE! :lol
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Really good song. I love hearing the hard rock back, ala PT style, and Wilson playing the guitar again will be great. I am so ready for this record. :hat
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I liked the song. But I don't know if it is the effect of the alcohol. ;D
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Apparently the drums on the track are performed by Jeremy Stacey.
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Ouch, those vocals are quite bad.
My first reaction as well... decent song other than that though.
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I've seen the reaction from several people now, including my wife who is a huge fan when I showed her the song.
Ugh, the rest of the song is fine. But that falsetto is really *that* bad.
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Not. A. Fan.
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I don't mind the vocals that much. It'll probably take some getting used to though. The rest of the song is quite good though. I love the rock feel he has going on here.
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Love the new song in its entirety. Much better than the (now) by-the-book Pariah.
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Really enjoy both tracks so far. I have no problem with the vocals in the new one.
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I like both new songs quite a bit, especially Pariah (though I wish Ninet was a bit more to the front in the mix?). I can hear what people mean by "bad" vocals in the newest one, but while he won't win any prices for "best falsetto", I think it sounds fine. The falsetto parts do not detract from the song for me personally, and I think the vocal melodies themselves are pretty catchy.
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Song of I is now available on Spotify etc.
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He also premiered the music video for it:
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7825580/exclusive-steven-wilson-song-of-i (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7825580/exclusive-steven-wilson-song-of-i)
The song is kinda cool, I do not like instantly like it as much as the previous two singles. I think there's quite some difference in emotion Steven and Sophie Hunger put into their voices while singing at the same time which sounds kinda odd. I do get Massive Attack vibes from the song which is pretty nice.
Also what's with that bright red background in some parts of the video-clip, I feel it really doesn't fit :P
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On first listen I don't like Song of I as much as the others either, but it feels like it could grow on me, and I stil liked it.
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Generally, I'm getting Insurgentes vibes from the songs I've heard so far. Minus the extreme distortion, obviously.
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This song is fine, but I don't like it as much as the others. Clip does look interesting, SW has a knack for finding artists that produce striking visuals (shame of the generic cover of To The Bone, however).
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I like all three tracks a lot but Song of I is my favorite so far! Amazing track and video. I was hoping to hear a return to an Insurgentes type of sound, and this song has it in spaces. The middle orchestral section is excellent! My only gripe is that the song afterwards just seems to paddle along without much of a satisfying conclusion.
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Interesting song. That one might take a few more listens and be heard within the context of the record to really grab me.
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I'm very impressed by this one. Interesting how well the Steven's vocals fit with that kind of sound. Smart move with the stylistic change.
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I've been listening to it as much as I can today. Holy shit. Monumental. I like this so much. SW electronica and orchestral. It's glorious.
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Every song I've listened in bits. I want it to be fresh when I get it in few months.
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The new song is interesting, but so far the only song I really enjoy from start to finish is Pariah. I have faith in Steven that this album will be great though and the others will grow on me with time. It is going to be tough to get past that falsetto though, as Skeever implied.
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Eh, the falsetto is fine, relative to his normal singing. SW is never gonna win any awards for vocals anyway.
Also, it is my imagination, or does he rarely use vocal effects anymore? He used them quite a bit back in the late 90s-early mid 00s, but he seems to rarely use them anymore.
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SW is never gonna win any awards for vocals anyway.
Really? The sound of him harmonizing with himself is one of the most beautiful things in music. See the choir section of The Watchmaker, and plenty of Porcupine Tree songs.
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A lot of people I know are not a fan of his voice. It's not a typical singer's voice but that's exactly what I like about it. Somehow I always believe everything he sings, and that's most important to me.
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I am going to not listen to any of the songs until the cd comes out. It has been a while since I did this for an upcoming album by any artist.
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Haven't really listened to Wilson's solo stuff much, but those two songs from his new album are really solid!
Song of I, reminds me of David Bowie's more experimental stuff somehow.
And his singing sounds fine!
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I only heard Song of I, but I really liked it!
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Just heard Song of I and I think it's the best of the three released so far.
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Just heard Song of I and I think it's the best of the three released so far.
I am not caught up at all and don't feel like going back pages into this thread, what are the other two songs? Any chance you can give a link to the youtube? Thaaaaanks!
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Pariah - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNTaFArEObU
The Same Asylum As Before: https://stevenwilson.lnk.to/TSAABSO
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Yeah Song of I is really really good, hope the album is more in line with it than with the other 2 tracks.
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I am totally an completely in love with everything I've heard from this album so far. :caffeine:
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Holy Shit. It's Sigz!
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new interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDPPSzzfpt0
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Man, I cannot wait for this album! I've really fallen in love with The Same Asylum As Before now. He can write such memorable melodies, which is what he is letting be the dominant force here, rather than complexity. Of course, the great hummable tunes have always been there, but now they're set to be to the fore.
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Man, I cannot wait for this album! I've really fallen in love with The Same Asylum As Before now. He can write such memorable melodies, which is what he is letting be the dominant force here, rather than complexity. Of course, the great hummable tunes have always been there, but now they're set to be to the fore.
I heard it once before and thought it was just ok. Today I relistened it and now I can't get the chorus out of my head, it is really catchy. Even those controversial verses have grown on me.
Pariah is still my favorite out of the 3. Song of I lacks some feelings imo, for being SW song, but it's still good. Also can't wait for the album to come out.
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Permanating is starting to appear across the web. Somehow I suspect it'll divide opinion even more. Me, I love it!
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Interestingly, we might be getting an EP of extra songs from the To the Bone sessions next spring, according to the Facebook Q&A video (available on Youtube).
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Permanating is on Spotify now. I love how he's doing this divisive music. Never staying in one genre, which, despite what many will tell you, is the very definition of "progressive". If you didn't think that pop music was part of his DNA, you clearly haven't been listening to his music properly over the years. He is a great writer of genuinely catchy melodies. While the other albums have been fantastic, it's really good to see SW create an album where pop (good pop at that) is the main influence.
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Hmm, this single doesn't do much for me at first listen
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I think the new song is pretty good! Gives me some Andromeda vibes (not the Mastodon song :D, the Gorillaz song)
Listened to all 4 released songs again and I think this has some potential to become a pretty good pop album. Song of I is extremely boring though, I hope that's just a one-time fluke. Honestly this is shaping up to be a more pop-induced variant of Thomas Giles' "Pulse", I feel like Steven Wilson fans should really like that album.
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I've only heard the snippet. Having been a huge of Montreal fan for a while, this might be right up my alley. And of course, there's ELO influence in there as well, and given that I enjoy their dancy, happy stuff, this might do it for me.
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Love it :woot:
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Never staying in one genre, which, despite what many will tell you, is the very definition of "progressive".
I don't agree with that. Only if you take the meaning of the word "progressive" literally. But that doesn't have anything to do with the genre itself. It would be the same thing to say that if you play pop you have to be popular, because that's what pop means. There are countless bands that play prog-rock or prog metal or some other subgenre of prog that maintained their sound throughout their whole careers. Does that mean they are not progressive? I don't think so. This idea that you are only progressive if you never stay in only one genre is fairly new and it is a made-up thing.
But let's say you are right. How much do you have to change in order to be considered progressive? To what extent? Is there a machine that can measure it? Where do you draw the line? How much "change" is enough and who is the judge to evaluate it? Do you have to totally reinvent your sound? Even if you do, it is impossible. Even if you make a pop album, then a jazz album, then an avant-garde album and keep changing, there's a limit, isn't there? And your identity is there no matter what genre you play. You'll end up repeating something you already did, sooner or later. So it is impossible to be truly, literally progressive.
Take the new Steven Wilson album. You can clearly recognize his sound because his identity is there. He did pop before with the Hand. Cannot. Erase. There are stuff in the new album that he did before, even though it is new.
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Just listened to the entire song.
It's great.
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Really good song!
I am sure a portion of his fan base will lose their minds over this, but that's their problem. :biggrin:
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Never staying in one genre, which, despite what many will tell you, is the very definition of "progressive".
I don't agree with that. Only if you take the meaning of the word "progressive" literally. But that doesn't have anything to do with the genre itself. It would be the same thing to say that if you play pop you have to be popular, because that's what pop means. There are countless bands that play prog-rock or prog metal or some other subgenre of prog that maintained their sound throughout their whole careers. Does that mean they are not progressive? I don't think so. This idea that you are only progressive if you never stay in only one genre is fairly new and it is a made-up thing.
But let's say you are right. How much do you have to change in order to be considered progressive? To what extent? Is there a machine that can measure it? Where do you draw the line? How much "change" is enough and who is the judge to evaluate it? Do you have to totally reinvent your sound? Even if you do, it is impossible. Even if you make a pop album, then a jazz album, then an avant-garde album and keep changing, there's a limit, isn't there? And your identity is there no matter what genre you play. You'll end up repeating something you already did, sooner or later. So it is impossible to be truly, literally progressive.
Take the new Steven Wilson album. You can clearly recognize his sound because his identity is there. He did pop before with the Hand. Cannot. Erase. There are stuff in the new album that he did before, even though it is new.
I can see what you mean but I also disagree with you ;) The Progressive Movement was based on making music that was "progressive" in the true meaning of the word. Musicians tried to expand the limits of popular and rock music with influences from other musical genres. After the first wave of the Prog Movement, the term "progressive" of course became a definition for music that sounded like that by the bands from said first wave. Musical subgenres with strange terms like "Retro-Progressive Rock", which in itself is already a contradiction, evolved and bands wanted to revive the kind of music that Genesis, Yes, Crimso, VdGG, Gentle Giant and all those bands made from 1969-1976. That is not what "progressive" stands for. Therefore I think one should make a difference between the term "Progressive Rock" and making music that is "progressive" in the true sense of the word.
And yes, it is possible to be progressive. Take Robert Fripp for instance. He always disbanded King Crimson in the exact moment when he felt that their new way of making music became a concept or subgenre in some way.
Others are Frank Zappa or David Bowie. They always did something new, for their entire career.
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Really good song!
I am sure a portion of his fan base will lose their minds over this, but that's their problem. :biggrin:
I love that he's never stagnant with styles of music. Ever changing.
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I can see what you mean but I also disagree with you ;) The Progressive Movement was based on making music that was "progressive" in the true meaning of the word. Musicians tried to expand the limits of popular and rock music with influences from other musical genres. After the first wave of the Prog Movement, the term "progressive" of course became a definition for music that sounded like that by the bands from said first wave. Musical subgenres with strange terms like "Retro-Progressive Rock", which in itself is already a contradiction, evolved and bands wanted to revive the kind of music that Genesis, Yes, Crimso, VdGG, Gentle Giant and all those bands made from 1969-1976. That is not what "progressive" stands for. Therefore I think one should make a difference between the term "Progressive Rock" and making music that is "progressive" in the true sense of the word.
And yes, it is possible to be progressive. Take Robert Fripp for instance. He always disbanded King Crimson in the exact moment when he felt that their new way of making music became a concept or subgenre in some way.
Others are Frank Zappa or David Bowie. They always did something new, for their entire career.
There is no such thing as the "Progressive Movement". Musicians didn't just get together and decided to make progressive music. It simply happened as a natural evolution of music, the same with any other genre. Like you said, they started mixing rock with jazz, blues, classical music, etc. So the term "Progressive Rock" was invented to describe the bands who played such kind of music. And like I said, this idea that you have to reinvent yourself constantly to be progressive didn't exist. It was simply used to describe that kind of music. Nothing else. But this idea keeps spreading. I think somehow people get confused about the genre and too attached to the word "progressive".
I don't think Fripp disbanded KC just because he didn't want to fit into a subgenre or to repeat himself.
As I said in my previous post, it is impossible to make "progressive" music in the true sense of the word. You can progress only to a certain extent. Yes, Zappa, Bowie and many others reivented their sound constantly, but you can't escape who you are. Your signature and identity is still in the music, it doesn't matter what you play.
If you have to reinvent yourself constantly, then there is no Progressive Rock as a genre. DT and all other bands aren't progressive. And the ones who reivent themselves are only progressive to a certain extent. Musical genres, musical notes and melodies are limited. If you could live 5 thousand years and you released one album per year, someway down the line you would repeat yourself. Then you wouldn't be progressive anymore...
It really doesn't matter how much you try to be authentic and create something new. You have influences, inspirations, you are born and raised in a certain environment and that shapes who you are and what you will play. Whether you listen to In the Court of the Crimson King or The Power to Believe or Red, it doesn't matter. Fripp is Fripp, he has his style and you can clearly recognize his playing. If you could change who you are and transform into a new person constantly, losing all your memories and you experiences, then, and then only you could be progressive, but, again, only to the extent that music allows you.
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I like the new song. That style isn't really what I usually go for, but I can certainly appreciate this.
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The thing is, we can all talk about the stylistic shifts, daring, being open-minded to bands changing their sound etc. But guess what? Not only it's an experiment, a brave move and different - it's also a damn good song.
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The piano chords at the beginning (they come back a few times throughout) remind me a bit of Supertramp.
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Really good song!
I am sure a portion of his fan base will lose their minds over this, but that's their problem. :biggrin:
The first comment on the song on his YouTube channel is hilarious. A lot of the comments are hilarious.
I love this track! Can you imagine making a CD for someone to turn them on to Steven Wilson and the track after this song is Raider II? Jarring
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Steven went full Coldplay? Ok
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The thing is, we can all talk about the stylistic shifts, daring, being open-minded to bands changing their sound etc. But guess what? Not only it's an experiment, a brave move and different - it's also a damn good song.
Very true. I am definitely not one of those "experimental music is good because it is experimental" people. A good song is a good song, and this is a good song.
I love that he's never stagnant with styles of music. Ever changing.
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Steven went full Coldplay? Ok
He did? Where??
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I wish Ninet's part at the end where she backs Steven would have been longer. I really enjoy this song. Looking forward to getting the lyrics too, I think I have most of it
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Steven went full Coldplay? Ok
He did? Where??
Mostly the new song tbh. I'm not into coldplay so I hope the rest of the album is closer to Song of I :P
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I'm not into the new song. I agree with Sacul, I wish it's more like Song Of I.
Steven went full Coldplay? Ok
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This new song sounds like a cheap attempt at a coldplay song.
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I love the new song. Really cool, definitely a different approach. It's pop but it's like it's a smarter pop with a better structure than most.
I say this as a mild fan of some pop songs.
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Steven went full Coldplay? Ok
Coldplay has a lot of songs that are way better than this song tho
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Am I the only one who hasn't listened to ANY of the songs that he's released so far? I'm kind of wanting to go into TTB with fresh ears for once, with no preconceived notions about the music. I've even strayed from most comments and reviews on the songs, just so I can go in with a blind-eye (or ear) and be surprised, though hopefully it ends up being a GOOD surprise and not a BAD one.
-Marc.
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Mostly due to laziness, I haven't heard any of the new songs. :lol Since Wilson's stuff isn't on any radio station I listen to, it's easier to not spoil the first listen experience. With a lot of the more mainstream stuff, there's always that "oh, and here's the single I've heard a million times" moment. I like going through a new album with each song having the same level of freshness. It's easier to focus on the whole album that way.
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I'm not hearing any Coldplay influence on this song. I wonder which Coldplay song it reminds people of.
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I get it. I can't really think of any specific song. Maybe there is one but for me it would more be the overall vibe. Fortunately I enjoy Coldplay so I don't mind at all.
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I don't hear any Coldplay in this new song, but to each his own. It has more of an old school ABBA vibe, if you ask me.
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the intro piano sounds a lot like the piano used in ABBA's mama mia and dancing queen. Not at all coldplay to my ears
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Oh yeah, the first thing I thought when I heard this song was definetely 'old school 80s pop music', so that seems to be the main influence here. But I can hear what people mean when they say they hear some Coldplay.
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Am I the only one who hasn't listened to ANY of the songs that he's released so far? I'm kind of wanting to go into TTB with fresh ears for once, with no preconceived notions about the music. I've even strayed from most comments and reviews on the songs, just so I can go in with a blind-eye (or ear) and be surprised, though hopefully it ends up being a GOOD surprise and not a BAD one.
-Marc.
I have not listened to any of the songs on the new album. Will buy on iTunes when released with a nice glass of wine and good headphones.
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don't forget your monocle and fedora
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If you only knew a mod here owns a monocle. :lol
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Mostly due to laziness, I haven't heard any of the new songs. :lol Since Wilson's stuff isn't on any radio station I listen to, it's easier to not spoil the first listen experience. With a lot of the more mainstream stuff, there's always that "oh, and here's the single I've heard a million times" moment. I like going through a new album with each song having the same level of freshness. It's easier to focus on the whole album that way.
That's exactly what I intend by not listening to anything before it's released with the whole album. Since The Astonishing I have always managed not to listen to anything, although sometimes it's killing me :lol
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I haven't got the patience for that. Time's going too slowly. Still just under 7 weeks until the release, and the hype is well and truly real.
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I haven't got the patience for that. Time's going too slowly. Still just under 7 weeks until the release, and the hype is well and truly real.
Actually, in case you have forgotten, time flies. ;)
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I haven't got the patience for that. Time's going too slowly. Still just under 7 weeks until the release, and the hype is well and truly real.
Yes, sometimes I am very close to die but in the end it's totally worth it.
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Wasn't very excited about this release upon hearing the singles as they came out, but just spun them a few times on long car ride, and they're starting to grow on me.
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Has anyone realised that 3 of the 4 singles end with a fade out? Probably a conscious choice because back in the 80's, like 80 percent of pop tunes ended that way. Nowadays, it's probably the other way around.
So this track 'Permanating'. I'm kind of amused by it. It'll probably be the worst track but it's good to hear him try this type of thing. But still, cool disco vibes but his vocals are just not 'good' enough to carry such a track. I have to say I'm surprised by all the backlash. I thought Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson fans were open minded, but apparently a lot of them are as close minded as a lot of pop music listeners.
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I don't think the fans being close minded applies to all of the negative backlash though. I feel like compared to many artists, Steven Wilson has pretty much always (since PT got popular at least) had a fan base defending his music like no other. Even the albums that got lesser reception are usually held up as the pinnacle of what musicians should strive for, and I would say he has stayed away from a lot of criticism. I don't think all of it is blind fanboyism though. I don't think the ground he walks is holy, and he definitely has albums I don't consider near the classic status they have, but I do think that even on a bad day, he usually delivers an album that is at worst, a decent album. But there's only so long you can have that luck going before you have a miss fire.
The new album could be amazing but even if the general reception turns out lukewarm, it's not that bad for an artist who puts out an album every 2-3 years and generally hits. Just for me personally, I don't mind SW changing styles, I just feel that lately (more than before) his take on different music styles haven't been nearly as interesting as the bands that did it initially. There's definitely some fans who are close minded and just want him to write prog, but I have seen a lot of people who prefer the poppier SW side (trains, lazarus, Blackfield etc) who didn't like Permanating, not because of the style, because they just didn't like it.
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Has anyone realised that 3 of the 4 singles end with a fade out? Probably a conscious choice because back in the 80's, like 80 percent of pop tunes ended that way. Nowadays, it's probably the other way around.
I didn't even notice, to be honest, but then again, fade-outs do not bother me (most of the time).
So this track 'Permanating'. I'm kind of amused by it. It'll probably be the worst track but it's good to hear him try this type of thing. But still, cool disco vibes but his vocals are just not 'good' enough to carry such a track. I have to say I'm surprised by all the backlash. I thought Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson fans were open minded, but apparently a lot of them are as close minded as a lot of pop music listeners.
While I would never call SW a great singer, that song doesn't need one for it to be good; I think his vocals are fine in it. And he seems to not use vocal effects nearly as much as he used to.
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I don't think the fans being close minded applies to all of the negative backlash though. I feel like compared to many artists, Steven Wilson has pretty much always (since PT got popular at least) had a fan base defending his music like no other. Even the albums that got lesser reception are usually held up as the pinnacle of what musicians should strive for, and I would say he has stayed away from a lot of criticism. I don't think all of it is blind fanboyism though. I don't think the ground he walks is holy, and he definitely has albums I don't consider near the classic status they have, but I do think that even on a bad day, he usually delivers an album that is at worst, a decent album. But there's only so long you can have that luck going before you have a miss fire.
The new album could be amazing but even if the general reception turns out lukewarm, it's not that bad for an artist who puts out an album every 2-3 years and generally hits. Just for me personally, I don't mind SW changing styles, I just feel that lately (more than before) his take on different music styles haven't been nearly as interesting as the bands that did it initially. There's definitely some fans who are close minded and just want him to write prog, but I have seen a lot of people who prefer the poppier SW side (trains, lazarus, Blackfield etc) who didn't like Permanating, not because of the style, because they just didn't like it.
Yeah this is a very good point. Let's not forget that are are still people who are genuinely pissed he went pop and left prog, accusing him of selling out. Which is just dumb.
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Well, it's dumb to think he left prog (he hasn't), and I am guessing the people who think he went the pop route have probably never heard Stupid Dream. Writing catchy songs has been a part of SW's pallet for decades.
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I think people are stupid to want to limit him to What They want out of him musically. That's not how he works and they should know better.
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And the best part is, instead of worrying about it, Wilson doesn't give two shits what any of us want, which is why he is a true artist in every sense of the word. :coolio
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Which I love!
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I think people are stupid to want to limit him to What They want out of him musically. That's not how he works and they should know better.
Thats how feel about a lot of fans
And the best part is, instead of worrying about it, Wilson doesn't give two shits what any of us want, which is why he is a true artist in every sense of the word. :coolio
Yup and why I love it when they decide to screw those people by doing a 180 or something similar.
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I think people are stupid to want to limit him to What They want out of him musically. That's not how he works and they should know better.
Well, it's dumb to think he left prog (he hasn't), and I am guessing the people who think he went the pop route have probably never heard Stupid Dream. Writing catchy songs has been a part of SW's pallet for decades.
All of this. Honestly, if more pop music was like SW's brand of pop, it would be an immense improvement on a lot of what we've got atm.
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Video for Permanating:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0gryiltJo0&t=122s
I like to think he did this just to take the piss. :lol :lol
Good song and fun little video. :hat
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I wouldn't voluntarily watch that video again. Nothing's wrong with it, it's just too odd for me. :lol
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See what he did there is what I love about musicians. But at the same time, it's not really nothing new with Wilson.
The best ending too..
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I don't know how Steven Wilson got the idea of using Bollywood-like dancers for the video. I actually like Permanating though.
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I don't know how Steven Wilson got the idea of using Bollywood-like dancers for the video. I actually like Permanating though.
He said on Facebook. Don't feel like looking though, too lazy now.
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I'm gonna get flak for this, but nothing that's been released has really grabbed me. I want to like it. But it's just too.. poppy. Which isn't a bad thing. I'm not trying to sound pretentious but... yea
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I'm gonna get flak for this, but nothing that's been released has really grabbed me. I want to like it. But it's just too.. poppy. Which isn't a bad thing. I'm not trying to sound pretentious but... yea
Same. Nothing against pop music, SW has made incredible pop music before. These songs just haven't grabbed me for whatever reason.
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just listened to the leak, i guess this album will be in the bottom tier for as far as his solowork goes.. :-\
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just listened to the leak, i guess this album will be in the bottom tier for as far as his solowork goes.. :-\
I think it's excellent. Not as good as HCE but it's quite a different beast from it. Apples and oranges, etc.
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Discussing leaks (even revealing that a leak is out there) for any band should be against forum rules. It certainly is for Dream Theater; why should other bands be treated differently? We get to see who the true fans are now, those who hold out until the time the artist wants us to hear it.
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I mean.. I don't see why we are discussing the beginning of Beneath The Surface on a Steven Wilson thread...
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To the Bone is very good.
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just listened to the leak, i guess this album will be in the bottom tier for as far as his solowork goes.. :-\
That is not necessarily a bad thing, though, considering that Insurgentes is very good and the next three were all pretty great (to varying degrees).
To compare, many thought The Incident wasn't that great and among the least best Porcupine Tree albums, which I now agree with, but it is still a really good record.
Even a songwriter as gifted and consistent as Wilson isn't going to hit it out of the park every time. Sometimes, he just hits a ground rule double. :biggrin:
Discussing leaks (even revealing that a leak is out there) for any band should be against forum rules. It certainly is for Dream Theater; why should other bands be treated differently? We get to see who the true fans are now, those who hold out until the time the artist wants us to hear it.
Oh, come on.
Note: I am waiting till the release of it to hear the rest, but I am not copping that "I am a real fan because I choose to wait" attitude.
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Note: I am waiting till the release of it to hear the rest, but I am not copping that "I am a real fan because I choose to wait" attitude.
Thank you. People are overreacting way too much over this.
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Note: I am waiting till the release of it to hear the rest, but I am not copping that "I am a real fan because I choose to wait" attitude.
Thank you. People are overreacting way too much over this.
I have not heard one note, but am waiting just so that I can hear the whole cd fresh from start to finish. I try the same with concerts, but usually end up knowing the set list ahead of time. I saw the Rush40 show and did not know the set list and it was great.
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Note: I am waiting till the release of it to hear the rest, but I am not copping that "I am a real fan because I choose to wait" attitude.
Thank you. People are overreacting way too much over this.
I have not heard one note, but am waiting just so that I can hear the whole cd fresh from start to finish. I try the same with concerts, but usually end up knowing the set list ahead of time. I saw the Rush40 show and did not know the set list and it was great.
You're lucky to be so patient. I wish I could do that everytime a favorite band releases a new album.
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Note: I am waiting till the release of it to hear the rest, but I am not copping that "I am a real fan because I choose to wait" attitude.
Thank you. People are overreacting way too much over this.
I have not heard one note, but am waiting just so that I can hear the whole cd fresh from start to finish. I try the same with concerts, but usually end up knowing the set list ahead of time. I saw the Rush40 show and did not know the set list and it was great.
You're lucky to be so patient. I wish I could do that everytime a favorite band releases a new album.
I've had my moments over the years where I couldn't resist, but most of the time I am pretty good about waiting till the official release.
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I'm with Kev. I cheated a little and listened to every released song once but they are not fresh in my mind.
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I listened to the first tune, liked it and then decided to not listen to anything else.
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August is upon us! Another step closer to release day! :caffeine:
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Blank Tapes is one of the most lovely songs ive ever heard.
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Refuge is here! https://www.allmusic.com/blog/post/song-premiere-steven-wilson-refuge (https://www.allmusic.com/blog/post/song-premiere-steven-wilson-refuge)
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Yeah, I'm fairly sure this is the song I liked the most from all the released ones I've heard. This is great.
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Love the harmonica, especially along with the piano near the end of the song.
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WOW :hefdaddy
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That may be my favorite track so far. That outro with the piano and harmonica is absolutely awesome!
Since I have no clue how to listen to this before release without doing a stupid survey or whatever, these will tide me over for 15 days
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Definitely my favorite so far; fucking love Refuge. And DAT HARMONICA DOE.
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So I just listened to the leak and it's much like all SW solo release; a few really great songs, the rest mostly forgettable.
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At least we're getting the critics' opinions out of the way before the release. I know it's all going to be awesome. Because everything else he has done before is awesome, a perfect track record. So there is absolutely no reason to doubt anymore.
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Vinyl arrived early today, I listened to To The Bone twice now and I love it! I haven't heard any of the released songs until now. Detonation is a beast :O
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GAAH! One more sleep! I am so hyped up and ready for this! It doesn't feel like that long ago since The Raven That Refused to Sing (my first SW pre-order) landed on my doormat. And now we get that thrill all over again! It will be a special day for all SW fans around the world!
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Vinyl arrived early today, I listened to To The Bone twice now and I love it! I haven't heard any of the released songs until now. Detonation is a beast :O
The remainder of mine should download from ITunes tonight. I too have not listened in advance. Some of the critics comments are rather harsh.
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I have heard it and really liked it. I prefer a prog/rock/metal approach over a more pop-direction, but I think it is a very well excecuted album that has the essence of what makes SW's music so captivating.
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Glad I'm in the +1 timezone 🙂... just downloaded the rest and am listening to To the Bone atm... really like the song.
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^^ I'm in the Pacific Timezone. I'm glad that I can listen to this album at 9PM and yes, the title track is a pretty good start to the album.
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Fabulous piece of work with only only sightly weaker track, for me, Song of Unborn.
Looking forward to seeing him three times in the spring.
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I've been spinning the leak for the past few weeks while I wait for my copy of the album to reach me, but I assume it's ok to talk openly about it now. Overall this is a great album, although it is bottom tier solo work in my opinion which is not saying much because I love every solo album he's put out. There's a couple tracks that I usually skip which is something I never found myself doing with his other albums. Namely, 'Permanating,' which I enjoyed at first, but like most pure pop songs they grab you quick and drop you just as fast. Which is another way of saying I am already extremely bored of this song. 'The Song of I' is another one; it never really grabbed me in the first place. I feel like it would have been much better with some rock instrumentation.
There's a few other songs that I can take or leave, but there's also several gems on this record. 'Refuge' is probably my favorite track on the record. 'Detonation' is a dark, brooding and epic track then a little over halfway through it has an instrumental section that is very reminiscent of The Sky Moves Sideways. 'Song of the Unborn' is an absolute perfect album closer and has one of the best choruses SW has written imo. 'People Who Eat Darkness' is probably the highest energy song on the album, very catchy, and has really interesting instrumentation. Love it. As I already said in a previous post, 'Blank Tapes' is heavenly. Very short, but it has very touching melodies and lyrics.
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RELEASE DAY :caffeine:
Listening to the full thing for the first time now.
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^^ I'm in the Pacific Timezone. I'm glad that I can listen to this album at 9PM and yes, the title track is a pretty good start to the album.
Thats cool, so you got it on the 17th? Thought you might have to wait til midnight or something :).
I'm originally from pacific time so, yeah am 9 hours ahead over here. Only had time for one listen so far but like it over all... need a few more listens to see what grows on me and like someone else wrote, what, if any songs I start skipping...
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I'd say To the Bone is definitely better than Hand Cannot Erase, but it doesn't reach the level of Insurgentes or Grace For Drowning.
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OH YES! What a spectacular album!
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Pleasantly surprised.
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First listen now...
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Once again Wilson doesn't disappoint. Truly a great album
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On my first listen. Musically, this man doesn't make mistakes.
Here's a stripped down version of Pariah he shared this morning....I am officially in love with Ninet...
https://www.facebook.com/StevenWilsonHQ/videos/1566196436733946/?hc_ref=ARRbVmGW5cI-nBbUdPvcrXRTeUBeTgXUYbDQOdYwVk2GBxXeyE9WxIzOa4PPgmAMaKE&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/StevenWilsonHQ/videos/1566196436733946/?hc_ref=ARRbVmGW5cI-nBbUdPvcrXRTeUBeTgXUYbDQOdYwVk2GBxXeyE9WxIzOa4PPgmAMaKE&pnref=story)
Edit: Detonation is a fucking beast of a track.
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...So that first line in People Who Eat Darkness. :lol
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On my first listen. Musically, this man doesn't make mistakes.
Here's a stripped down version of Pariah he shared this morning....I am officially in love with Ninet...
https://www.facebook.com/StevenWilsonHQ/videos/1566196436733946/?hc_ref=ARRbVmGW5cI-nBbUdPvcrXRTeUBeTgXUYbDQOdYwVk2GBxXeyE9WxIzOa4PPgmAMaKE&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/StevenWilsonHQ/videos/1566196436733946/?hc_ref=ARRbVmGW5cI-nBbUdPvcrXRTeUBeTgXUYbDQOdYwVk2GBxXeyE9WxIzOa4PPgmAMaKE&pnref=story)
Edit: Detonation is a fucking beast of a track.
Her voice is sex.
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...So that first line in People Who Eat Darkness. :lol
What, you're surprised he lives in a flat? He's not that kind of rock star that can afford a mansion. ;)
This album is good. It's really good. Some of the prog stuff is kind of old now, especially Steven already perfected that style already, so I'm not too crazy about Pariah and Detonation. However, the pop stuff sounds truly fresh. I'm in love with Nowhere now, Permanating, Song of unborn and the title track.
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It's pretty good, not something I'd personally come back to a lot, but definitely not bad. That's kinda how I felt about HCE as well, nothing "wrong" with it, just doesn't draw me back in to repeated listens.
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the bassline in the middle of the title track is almost identical to the start of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLqNUvVqpmI&
like omg.
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On my first listen, and so far, I'm impressed, even with the overt Abba homage that is Permanating.
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Just passively listened through.
It's. Not. Bad.
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Unlike the latest albums by The Tangent and Marillion, which are unrelenting politics/current affairs through and through, at least To the Bone makes room for a bit of wide-eyed escapism in the form of Nowhere Now and Permanating. Makes the ride a little easier.
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Listening to it some more today and, yes, I definitely like it, very much so even.
Anyone here owns/heard the bonus disc of that deluxe edition? Curious to hear how those demo's and songs that didn't made the album are (I picked the vinyl version, as I usually do).
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Detonation truly is something else! I love it to bits! That high guitar 'riff' that repeats throughout the first half, and then that incredible instrumental at the end. You can just lose yourself in it for a good 4 minutes.
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Yeah. I listened to it once today, and Detonation was the standout track for me too. I can hear him closing a show with this one, like he did with Ancestral on the last tour.
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love Permanating, no complaints just overall a great rock album
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Thats cool, so you got it on the 17th? Thought you might have to wait til midnight or something :).
I'm originally from pacific time so, yeah am 9 hours ahead over here. Only had time for one listen so far but like it over all... need a few more listens to see what grows on me and like someone else wrote, what, if any songs I start skipping...
Since I listened to the album on Spotify, which I'm actually surprised it is there given Steven Wilson's stance of being against Spotify and streaming services in general, typically, I get to hear new albums on Spotify after 9PM PST, since I guess the official time to have albums available on iTunes, Spotify, etc. is at 12 PM EST, I think.
As for the album, I had an enjoyable time listening to it for the most part.
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I'm liking the album but not sure if I will be playing that often. I do like the new vocal styles he used on this record. His previous records sounded the same in the vocal melody department.
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A lot to digest, but sounds really good after one listen. Many more listens to come. :hat
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Two listens in, it's quite good already.
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which I'm actually surprised it is there given Steven Wilson's stance of being against Spotify and streaming services in general,
I think, while he may still be against it in his own mind, he's accepted that streaming is here to stay as one of the ways that many people consume music. Tbh, railing against streaming is kind of a lost cause now. It's like trying to stop the tide.
On another note, I woke up this morning with Detonation stuck in my head. I haven't gotten into an album this quickly since The Astonishing in January 2016. The album is every bit as incredible as I thought it would be, and more. And I kind of hope that some of those who dismissed it pre-release just because it was "pop" will get a chance to eat their words. This is Steven Wilson through and through.
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Haven't posted here for a while but man, this record is great. I wasn't really hyped for it but gave it a spin anyways because I trust Steven. It's like a modern-day Stupid Dream.
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Except Stupid Dream is one of the worst PT albums and To the Bone is very good.
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...So that first line in People Who Eat Darkness. :lol
What, you're surprised he lives in a flat? He's not that kind of rock star that can afford a mansion. ;)
Got both the album (love it) and Prog Magazine yesterday.
Prog has an interview with Steven that was done in "the conservatory of his Heartfordshire home".
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On another note, I woke up this morning with Detonation stuck in my head. I haven't gotten into an album this quickly since The Astonishing in January 2016. The album is every bit as incredible as I thought it would be, and more. And I kind of hope that some of those who dismissed it pre-release just because it was "pop" will get a chance to eat their words. This is Steven Wilson through and through.
Amen to that. I listened to this a lot last night and have it on already this morning, and I am loving it already. Detonation is incredible. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Haven't posted here for a while but man, this record is great. I wasn't really hyped for it but gave it a spin anyways because I trust Steven. It's like a modern-day Stupid Dream.
I guess I get the comparisons to Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun, in that it is pretty catchy overall like those records are, but To the Bone sounds little like either of them.
Got both the album (love it) and Prog Magazine yesterday.
Prog has an interview with Steven that was done in "the conservatory of his Heartfordshire home".
:lol :lol :tup :tup
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So it took me four listens to find out it's not "once we've made sense of our world, we wanna go fuck up everybody else's because his or her shoes doesn't match mine." :lol
I'm really liking the album so far, only Permanating got boring already. It's also kind of a shame there's this block of four songs I already listened to a lot in the middle of the album. (Kinda my own fault tho). Pariah en Refuge remain my favourite so far.
Also really hope those rumours of a video of People Who Eat Darkness are true :azn:
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Except Stupid Dream is one of the worst PT albums and To the Bone is very good.
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Love it! This is what I needed from Wilson to stay into his solo career. I needed something different from the purely macabre, story-focused concepts he's been so into the last handful of years. This has the same attention to detail as his past albums, the same mastery in instrumentals and intrigue in lyrics except he's taken his usual approach and turned it upside down. I love that. One of the most depressing things about artists that I love is seeing them get into a horribly boring habit of staying safe. Even if I hadn't liked this, I would've loved the fact that he tried something different. I was really getting close to getting bored of his solo albums. Funny enough, my least favorite song on this album is the one that's closest to his previous couple albums, Pariah.
On the opposite end I really love Same Asylum and Permanating. Also really love Refuge and Detonation, while having similar qualities and approach as his usual stuff, it's certainly got a few twists and a different side that makes it interesting and fresh.
Really love this stuff, I'm glad he's taking chances still and trying new things. Pop star Wilson is great.
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Except Stupid Dream is one of the worst PT albums and To the Bone is very good.
No way man. Stupid Dream is easily better than most of their discography.
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Except Stupid Dream is one of the worst PT albums and To the Bone is very good.
glad to see i'm not the only one who thinks Stupid Dream is particularly weak by PT standards, it's my least favorite of the PT albums i own
i need to give this one another listen but i did think it was at least pretty decent first listen, tbh better than GfD and raven overall
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Except Stupid Dream is one of the worst PT albums and To the Bone is very good.
No way man. Stupid Dream is easily better than most of their discography.
Dunno if I'd put it THAT high but it's kind of a middle-tier for me, which still means it's awesome because most PT records are brilliant.
tbh better than GfD and raven overall
Better than TRTRTS? Aye. Better than GFD? :justjen
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gfd is the worst of the three SW albums i own, so if it's better than raven it's better than gfd by default
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Love it! This is what I needed from Wilson to stay into his solo career. I needed something different from the purely macabre, story-focused concepts he's been so into the last handful of years. This has the same attention to detail as his past albums, the same mastery in instrumentals and intrigue in lyrics except he's taken his usual approach and turned it upside down. I love that. One of the most depressing things about artists that I love is seeing them get into a horribly boring habit of staying safe. Even if I hadn't liked this, I would've loved the fact that he tried something different. I was really getting close to getting bored of his solo albums. Funny enough, my least favorite song on this album is the one that's closest to his previous couple albums, Pariah.
On the opposite end I really love Same Asylum and Permanating. Also really love Refuge and Detonation, while having similar qualities and approach as his usual stuff, it's certainly got a few twists and a different side that makes it interesting and fresh.
Really love this stuff, I'm glad he's taking chances still and trying new things. Pop star Wilson is great.
Great post!
Even though I like the EP a lot, 4 1/2 sounded like Wilson was running out of things to say in regards to that retro-prog style, so a wide left turn and change of pace was just what the doctor ordered, and as usual, he delivered the goods. It might end up being only my 4th favorite SW solo record (still way too early to tell), but that would be no shame considering how good Grace, The Raven and HCE all are.
I am still not getting this "pop" thing people are talking about. Most of the songs seem to be growers, rather than having catchy choruses that are going to instantly grab you, ala Stupid Dream, which is an AWESOME record.
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More of a joke on my end than anything but it's tough to ignore the more upbeat, near pop-like sound that Same Asylum and absolutely Permanating has in the forefront of those songs. Even the usual sexy yet dark Song Of I has sprinkles of a more groove focused beat than a lot of his previous solo works.
Definitely overblown by many but I can certainly see where it stems from. Wilson has also been very vocal himself about how he is interested in having at least a minor pop-like influence in his music and stated in a couple interviews that Permanating is the song he's proud of most on the record. So it makes sense, but yeah it's not like this is a full on Abba album despite him mentioning them as a big influence. I don't think we have to worry about Wilson going all Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber on us. :lol
Actually...and I say this with a straight face...even if he did make a completely pop focused album, I am certain it'd still be awesome and have the depth of oceans compared to the puddles of most super overplayed pop hits of today. Not to say I want that, but I do have a tendency to enjoy some weirdly detailed and well played pop in the albums of men who are considered by many to be musical savants. It's pretty enjoyable to think of Wilson standing up on stage with his usual restrained self as he sings Permanating and people dancing to it. :millahhhh
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I am very underwhelmed by Detonation and it's a surprise to see so many people picking it as their favorites. It goes on for far too long without any major changes and for me it hardly provides any memorable riffs or melodies.
On the other hand, The Same asylum as before is growing on me like crazy. What a fantastic chorus. Steven's falsetto is working perfectly.
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I've only listened to the album once on Spotify, but I definitely liked it. Of course HCE is unbeatable, but I'd wager To the Bone will be my 2nd favorite SW solo record by default, because I'm not a massive fan of his 70s retro stuff, and Insurgentes is a little hit-or-miss.
My only complaints are that Permanating - a song I liked alright as a single - sounds really jarring in the album context, especially coming right after Refuge, and I'm still not into the falsetto in the verses of Asylum, and that rock riff sounds too much like Prodigal IMO. On the other hand, the title-track hit me like a ton of bricks right away, People Who Eat Darkness is a cool rocker, and that second half of Detonation is funky as hell indeed.
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Saying something sounds like something else is a petty reason to criticize, really. When there's only 12 notes to choose from in the octave, you're bound to repeat yourself occasionally. And its context is what makes it completely and utterly its own thing. When I first heard that riff, I thought "That's an awesome riff, and use of rhythm", not "Oh, that's from Prodigal." Once again, it's down to more cynical people to point these things out and be like "This is a rip-off. You're supposed to be angry that he's done this."
My only complaints are that Permanating - a song I liked alright as a single - sounds really jarring in the album context,
It's not that jarring, really. I mean, it's not the only track on the album offering positivity and hope. You've got Nowhere Now, Pariah and Song of Unborn as well, so the balance of positivity to negativity (all based on reality, of course) is more even than we may think.
Another thing we must remember (nothing really to do with the aforementioned) is that SW creates characters, and writes from their point of view, not his own. But sadly, we'll probably get some buffoons who just jump in with their hate without reading all the details we have about the proper context of the songs.
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Wilson has used the falsetto when singing for as long as I can remember, yet all of sudden some have an issue with it. Seems like an odd thing to get shuked over.
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I love Same Asylum's chorus. It's super catchy and full of melodic twists that I definitely didn't see coming when I first heard the track.
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Hey guys with the folks at Prog Talk we reviewed the album, I think you should check the last review, make an interesting analogy with candies :lol
"I’ve felt that Stephen Wellson are rather funny about their branding ever since I noted the words ‘GO OUTSIDE YOU GODDAMN LOSER’ scrawled hastily on a bar of their chocolates this one time. This branding rang true at this event as well, though it was generally handled a bit more delicately than prior occasions with ‘Song of Ice Cream’ and ‘Detonating Candy’. All of that was undone however with ‘People Who Eat Dark Chocolate’, a dark chocolate bar with a picture of a skeleton at a computer blemishing the rapper (how meta…). That said, these were some of my favourite flavours from the bunch, reminding me of the similarly edgy but similarly delicious ‘Feathers of a Black Parrot’ line of confectionary from one of Wellson & Co.’s other branches. Great texture and a greater mixture of bittersweetness which only a Wellson snack could pull off."
https://progandtalk.wordpress.com/2017/08/20/roundabout-steven-wilson-to-the-bone/ (https://progandtalk.wordpress.com/2017/08/20/roundabout-steven-wilson-to-the-bone/)
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I've only listened to the album once on Spotify, but I definitely liked it. Of course HCE is unbeatable, but I'd wager To the Bone will be my 2nd favorite SW solo record by default, because I'm not a massive fan of his 70s retro stuff, and Insurgentes is a little hit-or-miss.
My only complaints are that Permanating - a song I liked alright as a single - sounds really jarring in the album context, especially coming right after Refuge, and I'm still not into the falsetto in the verses of Asylum, and that rock riff sounds too much like Prodigal IMO. On the other hand, the title-track hit me like a ton of bricks right away, People Who Eat Darkness is a cool rocker, and that second half of Detonation is funky as hell indeed.
I agree with everything you've said. I found the placement of Permanating to be jarring as well, but I don't know where you put it on the album. Maybe after Nowhere Now---I don't know.
The only song that isn't clicking for me is Same Asylum, it just doesn't do anything for me and I didn't like it when it first came out. I thought maybe in the context of the album I would like it, but no go. To me, it's the weakest track. I love Blank Space as well, I wish it were longer with Ninet being more prominent or if she had another verse.
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I'm a bit late to the party with Steven Wilson. I checked out some of his stuff a couple of years ago, and nothing really made an impact on me. I don't even recall what the songs were, exactly.
However, a few months ago, I saw a "reaction" video for the song/video "Routine" and was fucking floored, so I went back and listened to more of his music. This time around, I connected with a lot more of it. Some really amazing stuff.
I can't say I understand the issue with him singing in falsetto, either. This isn't a guy who sings with heavy vocal mass in the first place. So, it's really not that much of a contrast.
Oh, and this Ninet Tayeb woman. She's something special, and just might be my crush of the month.
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I love Blank Space as well[...]
Me, too. Although I find Shake It Off a little more stirring.
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Hey guys with the folks at Prog Talk we reviewed the album, I think you should check the last review, make an interesting analogy with candies :lol
"I’ve felt that Stephen Wellson are rather funny about their branding ever since I noted the words ‘GO OUTSIDE YOU GODDAMN LOSER’ scrawled hastily on a bar of their chocolates this one time. This branding rang true at this event as well, though it was generally handled a bit more delicately than prior occasions with ‘Song of Ice Cream’ and ‘Detonating Candy’. All of that was undone however with ‘People Who Eat Dark Chocolate’, a dark chocolate bar with a picture of a skeleton at a computer blemishing the rapper (how meta…). That said, these were some of my favourite flavours from the bunch, reminding me of the similarly edgy but similarly delicious ‘Feathers of a Black Parrot’ line of confectionary from one of Wellson & Co.’s other branches. Great texture and a greater mixture of bittersweetness which only a Wellson snack could pull off."
https://progandtalk.wordpress.com/2017/08/20/roundabout-steven-wilson-to-the-bone/ (https://progandtalk.wordpress.com/2017/08/20/roundabout-steven-wilson-to-the-bone/)
Favorite track: eject disc
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To the Bone is number 1 on the UK "midweek" album chart, which means a top-10 placing is quite likely when the proper chart is released on Friday. One of the UK's finest musicians seems to be finally getting the success and coverage his music deserves.
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To the Bone is number 1 on the UK "midweek" album chart, which means a top-10 placing is quite likely when the proper chart is released on Friday. One of the UK's finest musicians seems to be finally getting the success and coverage his music deserves.
He is playing in bigger venues around here this tour as well it seems, I think his solo work is gaining recognition (over here a venue with a capacity of 5500 compared to the 3000 I saw him in during the last tour). Deserved I'd say ;D
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I love Blank Space as well, I wish it were longer with Ninet being more prominent or if she had another verse.
To me, Blank Tapes has a very strong Storm Corrosion-vibe. Listening to that song really makes me long for another SC record.
I'm a bit late to the party with Steven Wilson. I checked out some of his stuff a couple of years ago, and nothing really made an impact on me. I don't even recall what the songs were, exactly.
However, a few months ago, I saw a "reaction" video for the song/video "Routine" and was fucking floored, so I went back and listened to more of his music. This time around, I connected with a lot more of it. Some really amazing stuff.
I can't say I understand the issue with him singing in falsetto, either. This isn't a guy who sings with heavy vocal mass in the first place. So, it's really not that much of a contrast.
Oh, and this Ninet Tayeb woman. She's something special, and just might be my crush of the month.
Very nice! It's always good to see new fans. :coolio
As for Routine, I love more SW songs (from his many projects) than you can shake a stick at and Routine would definitely be one of my favorites. That song is too good for words.
To the Bone is number 1 on the UK "midweek" album chart, which means a top-10 placing is quite likely when the proper chart is released on Friday. One of the UK's finest musicians seems to be finally getting the success and coverage his music deserves.
He is playing in bigger venues around here this tour as well it seems, I think his solo work is gaining recognition (over here a venue with a capacity of 5500 compared to the 3000 I saw him in during the last tour). Deserved I'd say ;D
I'll be interested to see where it charts here in the U.S., relative to how his records have done. HCE seems to have brought in quite a few new fans and that should spill over and result in increased sales for this CD.
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Steven posted on Facebook something I am uncomfortable with. He said 25 years ago, he released his first solo album under the name Porcupine Tree.
So he views Porcupine Tree as a solo act?
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Steven posted on Facebook something I am uncomfortable with. He said 25 years ago, he released his first solo album under the name Porcupine Tree.
So he views Porcupine Tree as a solo act?
No.
On the Sunday of Life was not a band effort; it was Steven Wilson releasing a solo record under the name Porcupine Tree, which later became a real, full-time band.
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Right. On the Sunday of Life was a solo effort. My bad.
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It's all good. :coolio :hat
BTW, have you guys heard A Door Marked Summer, a bonus track from To the Bone? It's on YT. Another fantastic tune.
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Thanks I didn't know that. Just listened to it and I'm blown away, absolutely beautiful. Updated Drown With Me kind of songwriting, love it. Dig the psychedelic pop influence.
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Steven playing 4 songs off the new album live :tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TVOez5ZXB4
BTW I absolutely adore this album. After the first listen I wasn't really into it, probably wasn't in right mood but I'm SW fanboy so I'm not surprised I liked it after all :P
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Steven playing 4 songs off the new album live :tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TVOez5ZXB4
came here to post this, this is pretty great :angel:
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Steven playing 4 songs off the new album live :tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TVOez5ZXB4
BTW I absolutely adore this album. After the first listen I wasn't really into it, probably wasn't in right mood but I'm SW fanboy so I'm not surprised I liked it after all :P
PWED is amazing live.
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It's funny, looking back now, how people were moaning about the line "I'm tired of Facebook" from Pariah, which was the first snippet from this album that we heard. Now we know the full context of that line, and how it's a fictional character, the negative side to Ninet's positivity and encouragement, it just proves that people shouldn't jump to conclusions about these things.
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Has someone done a mashup of Prodigal and Same Asylum yet, they are way too similar
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It's funny, looking back now, how people were moaning about the line "I'm tired of Facebook" from Pariah, which was the first snippet from this album that we heard. Now we know the full context of that line, and how it's a fictional character, the negative side to Ninet's positivity and encouragement, it just proves that people shouldn't jump to conclusions about these things.
It's still a cringe line imo :P
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Has someone done a mashup of Prodigal and Same Asylum yet, they are way too similar
No, they're not. That one little bit is, but apart from that, they're completely and utterly different songs. Now, all of you, stop going on about it.
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Has someone done a mashup of Prodigal and Same Asylum yet, they are way too similar
No, they're not. That one little bit is, but apart from that, they're completely and utterly different songs. Now, all of you, stop going on about it.
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I have posted this somewhere else before: I think Pariah is a Peter Gabriel homage.. Don't give up you still have us? Pariah, you'll begin again, take comfort from me? A sad, verse-singing dude and a hopeful, chorus-singing woman? Trademark Don't Give Up.
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Thanks I didn't know that. Just listened to it and I'm blown away, absolutely beautiful. Updated Drown With Me kind of songwriting, love it. Dig the psychedelic pop influence.
:tup :tup
Steven playing 4 songs off the new album live :tup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TVOez5ZXB4
BTW I absolutely adore this album. After the first listen I wasn't really into it, probably wasn't in right mood but I'm SW fanboy so I'm not surprised I liked it after all :P
PWED is amazing live.
That song has quickly risen on my list of favorites from this record. Killer tune. :metal
Has someone done a mashup of Prodigal and Same Asylum yet, they are way too similar
No, they're not. That one little bit is, but apart from that, they're completely and utterly different songs. Now, all of you, stop going on about it.
This.
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Steven posted on Facebook something I am uncomfortable with. He said 25 years ago, he released his first solo album under the name Porcupine Tree.
So he views Porcupine Tree as a solo act?
No.
On the Sunday of Life was not a band effort; it was Steven Wilson releasing a solo record under the name Porcupine Tree, which later became a real, full-time band.
I'm quite sure even the followup Up the downstairs was pretty much a solo effort save a couple of guest appearances of Colin and Richard. Signify I believe was the first full on band album with contributions and all.
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What Kev said. UTD could probably pass as a solo effort with some features but yeah...OTSOL is full on wacky Wilson mode with Duffy lyrics (except I think just Radioactive Toy).
Awesome to think of and I'm glad he still cherishes that part of his career. I am probably still the only huge fan of OTSOL here. Love that shit. Quite some time ago...wowee. *cue obligatory Time Flies pun*
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I have posted this somewhere else before: I think Pariah is a Peter Gabriel homage.. Don't give up you still have us? Pariah, you'll begin again, take comfort from me? A sad, verse-singing dude and a hopeful, chorus-singing woman? Trademark Don't Give Up.
Yeah I thought about Don't Give Up after I heard Pariah too.
Pariah is by the way my favourite track off this album.
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Steven posted on Facebook something I am uncomfortable with. He said 25 years ago, he released his first solo album under the name Porcupine Tree.
So he views Porcupine Tree as a solo act?
No.
On the Sunday of Life was not a band effort; it was Steven Wilson releasing a solo record under the name Porcupine Tree, which later became a real, full-time band.
I'm quite sure even the followup Up the downstairs was pretty much a solo effort save a couple of guest appearances of Colin and Richard. Signify I believe was the first full on band album with contributions and all.
What happened to The Sky Moves Sideways? That one is the first full band effort.
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Awesome to think of and I'm glad he still cherishes that part of his career. I am probably still the only huge fan of OTSOL here. Love that shit. Quite some time ago...wowee. *cue obligatory Time Flies pun*
I love OTSOL too. For me, it's a 90s equivalent of The Beatles' White Album in terms of its diversity of songs and styles.
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Wilson has used the falsetto when singing for as long as I can remember, yet all of sudden some have an issue with it. Seems like an odd thing to get shuked over.
I don't mind his falsetto in general, it's just that those particular verses in Asylum would sound a lot better and more natural sung an octave lower IMO.
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I am just about finished with my first listen and wanted to offer my own perspective.
First, some background -- I'm a Porcupine Tree fan...mostly starting with Stupid Dream. I don't really care for most of what came before it. But I found the band with In Absentia. I've been sorta meh on his solo albums. I dig some of all of them, but I think I'd be accurate in saying that I'm not a "fan" of his solo work like I am a fan of Porcupine Tree from Stupid Dream through The Incident.
I've been fortunate over the years to get advances of his records and always listen to them intently. They've been hit and miss for me, but I have to say, I really like what he's done here on To the Bone. It's still very much prog, and does have some classic PT-sounding moments (the last track in particular). But he's infused it with this 80s pop sound that while not usually my cup of tea, I am finding really entertaining. PROG magazine referenced Peter Gabriel's SO era, and that's about right. But its definitively Steven Wilson.
Even after one listen, I find it much better than Hand. Cannot. Erase. Although that record received a lot of acclaim, I didn't get into it much. I did enjoy Raven Refused to Sing, but it has been a while since I listened to it, so I'd hate to do a comparison without giving it another spin first.
But simply put, if you like Steven Wilson, and don't mind a little 80s pop mixed in (it doesn't distract at all, it sorta just "works") it'll be a real enjoyable listen. Again, I'm not the biggest SW solo fan. I much prefer Porcupine Tree. But I was pleasantly surprised with To The Bone. Worthy of checking out for sure.
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What happened to The Sky Moves Sideways? That one is the first full band effort.
Sort of. Dislocated Day and The Moon Touches Your Shoulder, I believe, were originally just Steven Wilson on those tracks playing everything, while the other tracks were full band efforts.
Wilson has used the falsetto when singing for as long as I can remember, yet all of sudden some have an issue with it. Seems like an odd thing to get shuked over.
I don't mind his falsetto in general, it's just that those particular verses in Asylum would sound a lot better and more natural sung an octave lower IMO.
Fair enough. :coolio
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But simply put, if you like Steven Wilson, and don't mind a little 80s pop mixed in (it doesn't distract at all, it sorta just "works") it'll be a real enjoyable listen. Again, I'm not the biggest SW solo fan. I much prefer Porcupine Tree. But I was pleasantly surprised with To The Bone. Worthy of checking out for sure.
This could be said by me after the first real listening.
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This outtake from To The Bone (A Door Marked Summer) is pretty rad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IIx6g_2DsE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IIx6g_2DsE)
It's pretty Porcupine Tree-ish, hence why it's probably not on the album. The last two minutes especially are really beautiful. :angel:
Edit: this was already mentioned before, oops
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His performance at HMV in London is on his YouTube channel. I love how relaxed he seems on stage nowadays, chatting away with the crowd and all. He seems really happy with where he is atm, and he deserves every success that comes to him.
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Really wish A Door Marked Summer was on the record, it would've been one of, if not the best song on the album.
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Why doesn't SW wear shoes?
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Really wish A Door Marked Summer was on the record, it would've been one of, if not the best song on the album.
I can't go that far, but it is a highly enjoyable tune.
His performance at HMV in London is on his YouTube channel. I love how relaxed he seems on stage nowadays, chatting away with the crowd and all. He seems really happy with where he is atm, and he deserves every success that comes to him.
:tup :tup
This outtake from To The Bone (A Door Marked Summer) is pretty rad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IIx6g_2DsE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IIx6g_2DsE)
It's pretty Porcupine Tree-ish, hence why it's probably not on the album. The last two minutes especially are really beautiful. :angel:
Edit: this was already mentioned before, oops
My guess is that it didn't make the album because it didn't fit with the flow of the album. Wilson has left songs off albums before that he thought were album-worthy, but didn't fit the flow (Drown with Me, Half Light).
Also, several of the songs on To the Bone are very PT-sounding, so I doubt that would be any factor in his decision.
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Why doesn't SW wear shoes?
I think he said it's easier for him to use his pedal board without shoes on.
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He's also barefooted in interviews.
He doesn't like shoes. :lol
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Yeah I've noticed live he is barefooted and a few recent interview he is also shoeless.
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It's to reinforce his hipster identity of course
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It's to reinforce his hipster identity of course
Where is Wilson's Beard?
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Probably can't grow one to save his life, he has a bit of a baby face.
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I take that back, he just appeared on BBC Breakfast TV, with stubble and wearing shoes.
He really is mainstream 'pop' now ;D
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Where is Wilson's Beard?
He recently started growing a beard, didn't you know?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4416/35983866543_efb23e4e9b_b.jpg)
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:rollin
BBC with Wilson
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1572538919433031&id=114657261887878
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1572538919433031&id=114657261887878
the interviews are really well prepared here: "so there are no words? " after playing an instrumental part of Pariah :lol
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Yeah SW made both hosts look completely foolish with his answers to their unprepared and often stupid questions.
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German TV, his promo people are doing a great job of getting him mainstream exposure.
https://youtu.be/0E2ZggYs5z8
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That German TV appearance is so incongruous. It's hilarious.
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Also: why does Ninet appear to be wearing a rusty screw in her left ear? ;D
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German TV, his promo people are doing a great job of getting him mainstream exposure.
https://youtu.be/0E2ZggYs5z8
And the crowd goes wild :metal :biggrin:
As good as it is that SW is recognized by the greater public, the viewers of moma (daily German morning magazin) are not necessarily his target audience.
AND THEY CALLED HIS MUSIC CONSTANTLY PROGRESSIVE ROCK!!!!!!!!!! and Steven didn't even flinch.
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It's to reinforce his hipster identity of course
I don't know anything about SW personally but he comes off as the most pretentious musician at times which why it really struck me odd the first time I saw him live he was very warm and making lots of jokes.
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It's to reinforce his hipster identity of course
I don't know anything about SW personally but he comes off as the most pretentious musician at times which why it really struck me odd the first time I saw him live he was very warm and making lots of jokes.
He actually jokes about being pretentious.
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The album made no. 4 in the Dutch album charts. Has to be his highest yet here IIRC.
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26th place on the Swedish charts.... I am ashamed of my fellow country men
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No. 3 in the UK! Incredible showing!
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I think the song 'The raven that refused to sing' is one of the most beautiful songs ever written, but I am loving the last song on the latest cd 'song of unborn'. I like how Steven Wilson does what he wants. Would love to see him live some day. :tup
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It is still too early to rank the songs, but Song of Unborn is definitely one of my favorites. SW almost always does a masterful job when it comes to the last song on a record, and Song of Unborn is no exception; add it to his list of amazing album finishers! :hat
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Song of Unborn is wonderful. Pleased to say my opinion has changed on it since earlier in the thread.
What a lovely album it is.
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Me and a friend bought tickets for the show in Stockholm on the 30th of june. There were not too many tickets left but say 1/5th of the seats were free. We got what we thought were quite ok spots.
A month and a half later (less seats left but still some here nd there) another friend buys a ticket and then tells me:
- Bought a ticket to Steven Wilson
- Oh cool, where are you?
- On the left
- We too.... row 7
- Me too, I'm in 706
- Unbelivable! We are in 704 and 705.
Turned out that the seat he got was the only free one on that row.... what are the odds?
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Song of Unborn is wonderful. Pleased to say my opinion has changed on it since earlier in the thread.
What a lovely album it is.
I agree, Song Of Unborn is really moving. The album is more immediate sounding, and less good as the last 3 for me but still very enjoyable, I love it. Congrats to SW for reaching No.3 and No.2 in the UK and German album charts. :tup
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26th place on the Swedish charts.... I am ashamed of my fellow country men
2nd place on the physical sales
1st place on vinyl
Maybe we swedes are not as hopeless as the album chart seems to say....
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I'm really enjoying 'People Who Eat Darkness' at the moment.
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'Refuge' is definetely my favorite. I also really like 'People Who Eat Darkness' and 'Detonation'.
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I like almost every song a ton. Song of I and Nowhere Now are probably the only two songs I would call merely "good," but everything else is in the area of very good to great.
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I was struck by Nowhere now almost immediately. It's one of his simplest, most concise songs ever. Also, it's super catchy. Probably my favorite of the bunch.
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Yep, I agree that it is very catchy. I do like it; I just like most of the others more.
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So far my Favs are:
The Same asylum As Before
Refuge
People Who Eat Darkness
Kev I also agree Wilson is the best at picking his ending tracks. He's the best at that.
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Top 3 right now:
People Who Eat Darkness
Pariah
Nowhere Now
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Nowhere Now is probably my least favorite.
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For me, the most beautiful moment on the album is the choir / acoustic guitar / piano section in Song of Unborn. Complete and utter genius if you ask me, hauntingly beautiful and emotional.
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1. Nowhere now
2. Permanating
3. Song of unborn
4. To the bone
It had to be top 4, sorry. ;D
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Looks like, as usual with a SW record, that it is so good that opinions will all over the map as to what the best songs are.
PixelDream, I adore that section, too! It is just gorgeous and does a great job of setting up the final section of the song and album. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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What's happened to the album in the US? I'm not entirely sure how the chart works there, what day it's published etc., so is it supposed to be there? Or did it just not get in the 200?
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#1 in Finland! (https://ifpi.fi/tilastot/virallinen-lista/albumit/2017/34)
HCE peaked at #4 and PT never got higher than #11 (with The Incident), so this is his first time at the top of the chart.
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What's happened to the album in the US? I'm not entirely sure how the chart works there, what day it's published etc., so is it supposed to be there? Or did it just not get in the 200?
It's an interesting thing regarding the Billboard 200. Based on pure album sales, To The Bone made it to #16. To compare, Hardwired is still selling about 7k copies on pure album sales and is at #18.
(https://i.imgur.com/73JqUwK.png)
https://hitsdailydouble.com/building_album_chart
As for how he did with the Billboard 200, with streaming #s, he did not crack the top 50. If I had to guess where he ended up. I say around #51-75.
https://hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming
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Can anyone verify if the BluRay audio version comes with the free audio downloads the way HCE did? HCE specified on the cover that it did, TtB didn't. I wasn't sure whether to risk it. I would love to own the BR Audio, but I don't often get the chance to actually sit down and listen to that particular version, so knowing that the free download came with it would be a big incentive.
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Song of Unborn is just fucking amazing from start to finish. What a great way to wrap an album up.
The whole album is very well rounded, in my opinion.
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Can anyone verify if the BluRay audio version comes with the free audio downloads the way HCE did? HCE specified on the cover that it did, TtB didn't. I wasn't sure whether to risk it. I would love to own the BR Audio, but I don't often get the chance to actually sit down and listen to that particular version, so knowing that the free download came with it would be a big incentive.
I'll let you know when mine arrives. I think the BR have been delayed.
My HCE and 4 1/2 didn't mentioned anything on the cover of the BR about a code.
But new label, might not come with the FLAC code.
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The TTB blu ray description on the Burning Shed store says that it doesn't include a download code.
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I can confirm that there is NO download code with the Blu-Ray audio disc release.
You will need to 'seek' the audio files from another 'source' ;D
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Maybe this was shared before, but there is a video game coming out tomorrow for Windows and PS4 called Last Day of June
Last Day of June is an interactive tale about love and loss that takes players on a profound and poignant journey. Join Carl and June on what begins as a magical outing to their favorite spot, and try to unlock the sequence of events that could save the day -- and June's life -- in this cinematic experience that compels players to ask themselves "What would you do to save the one you love?"
A true artistic innovation in visualizing a bittersweet story, Last Day of June is experienced through a welcoming, painterly world that showcases the beauty of life and love, but also the contradictions of loss. Relive this fateful day by traveling back in time through her paintings in an attempt to change the results of the fateful and final drive home by solving emotionally challenging puzzles.
SW let them use the characters from the Drive Home video and create a story. He does the soundtrack as well, but it may just be instrumentals of existing tracks. Still pretty cool
https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/30/16228320/last-day-of-june-review (https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/30/16228320/last-day-of-june-review)
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I read that review last night and was frankly surprised the author didn't once mention the music and its relevance to the game.
Looking forward to picking it up (as a gamer, rather than as a Steven Wilson fan (which I am!)).
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Maybe this was shared before, but there is a video game coming out tomorrow for Windows and PS4 called Last Day of June
Last Day of June is an interactive tale about love and loss that takes players on a profound and poignant journey. Join Carl and June on what begins as a magical outing to their favorite spot, and try to unlock the sequence of events that could save the day -- and June's life -- in this cinematic experience that compels players to ask themselves "What would you do to save the one you love?"
A true artistic innovation in visualizing a bittersweet story, Last Day of June is experienced through a welcoming, painterly world that showcases the beauty of life and love, but also the contradictions of loss. Relive this fateful day by traveling back in time through her paintings in an attempt to change the results of the fateful and final drive home by solving emotionally challenging puzzles.
SW let them use the characters from the Drive Home video and create a story. He does the soundtrack as well, but it may just be instrumentals of existing tracks. Still pretty cool
https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/30/16228320/last-day-of-june-review (https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/30/16228320/last-day-of-june-review)
I totally missed this, but here's an interview with Steven Wilson himself in regards to this title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7smOfrUStEE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7smOfrUStEE)
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No. 20 in the UK album chart for To the Bone's 2nd week, which is far less of a drop from last week's heights than I thought it would experience.
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I'm very pleased that Steven is on Spotify... because I finally got to listen to To The Bone yesterday and loved it. Ordering it this evening. Very good stuff. Permanating is even better in the context of the album proper. Lovely music.
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The next move is to put all of PT's catalog on Spotify.
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It mostly is tho, just missing on Fear of a Blank Planet and a couple little things more.
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After digesting this album and it's related B-Sides, I've come up with, yet again, another personal playlist that puts together all of these tracks. As usual, they're set-up as vinyl sides, each about 19-20 minutes long with minor edited here and there, mostly to crossfade "Antisocial" and "People Who Eat Darkness" (as the former was intended as the intro to the latter).
Side 1 - 20:48
01 To The Bone 6:42
02 Nowhere Now 4:04
03 Pariah 4:47
04 The Same Asylum As Before 5:15
Side 2 - 20:10
05 Refuge 6:45
06 Permanating 3:35
07 A Door Marked Summer 7:41
08 Blank Tapes 2:09
Side 3 - 20:06
09 Ask Me Nicely (Intro) 1:43
10 Antisocial 3:09
11 People Who Eat Darkness 6:01
12 Song Of I 5:22
13 Northern Cyclonic (Inst.) 3:51
Side 4 - 19:10
14 Ask Me Nicely 3:54
15 Detonation 9:20
16 Song Of Unborn 5:56
As the album by itself, it's really grown on me, but I really enjoy the songs that were cut as well, especially "A Door Marked Summer" and "Antisocial", but I can understand why SW would want to cut some of that stuff, especially the intro pieces and instrumentals, going for a more concise album with "just the songs", but you guys know me - I love having a complete playlist of an album's (released) songs, because I read that SW even wrote a song called "How Big The Space?" that wasn't recorded for this album, but was written at the time. He's also said he wrote songs at the start of the sessions but those few were cut for sounding too much like HCE material, as he says happens when beginning a new album (that the first few tunes are reminiscent of the previous album).
-Marc.
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Marc that's pretty cool what you have done and I will throw that together on to a CDR if it will fit.
Did you do something similar with FOABP and the NR EP?
I'm sure I read somewhere that someone combined the two with a really seamless running order.
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I've had a chance to listen to this repeatedly now... And I love it! I now find myself skipping no songs and just playing it on repeat, as I usually end up doing ever since I discovered SW/PT just a few short years ago (on the Raven album.. ok maybe more than a few years now).
BTW, I'm one who really likes Stupid Dream. There's just so many thing I relate to in general in his music (Piano Lessons really takes me back to my youth)...
Really wish I had pulled the plug on the box set. I hesitated then it was sold out before I knew it :sad:.
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I remember SW once saying that his definition of progressive music is that the music takes you on a journey. With that definition, he is probably the most prog artist currently in business. Every album of his tries to take you into an entirely different spot.
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Marc that's pretty cool what you have done and I will throw that together on to a CDR if it will fit.
Did you do something similar with FOABP and the NR EP?
I'm sure I read somewhere that someone combined the two with a really seamless running order.
I've used the Vinyl running order for yesrs, which puts CTP after My Ashes, and the rest after ST - NR, Normal, and WHN, tho I recently discovered the track "Always Recurring" and have used it as an intro to "What Happens Now?" as it ends with the same sounds that open WHN.
-Marc.
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"Antisocial" and "People Who Eat Darkness" (as the former was intended as the intro to the latter).
Where was that info? In the box?
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The documentary is awesome, watch it.
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It mostly is tho, just missing on Fear of a Blank Planet and a couple little things more.
Holy shit you're right! Last I checked (a long time ago) it had only a couple of albums.
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The documentary is awesome, watch it.
The doco is great, but the state of the 'studio' is something else, I cannot find the words to describe it.
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The documentary is awesome, watch it.
The doco is great, but the state of the 'studio' is something else, I cannot find the words to describe it.
It's quite bizarre indeed. The guy obviously doesn't give a shit as to how it all looks. Remember that segment where he said he didn't now where a lot of his pedals went? :lol
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What documentary?
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The doco that is on the blu-ray audio release of TTB.
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Ah ok. I wish I could see it, but I only have the standard CD.
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It mostly is tho, just missing on Fear of a Blank Planet and a couple little things more.
Holy shit you're right! Last I checked (a long time ago) it had only a couple of albums.
Same... very pleasant surprise!
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"Antisocial" and "People Who Eat Darkness" (as the former was intended as the intro to the latter).
Where was that info? In the box?
Yes. The instrumental also features a lot of similar riffs and motifs used in PWED, so it's a natural fit as it's intro.
-Marc.
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I didn't get the deluxe edition, so I haven't heard Antisocial, I should check the usual places for it.
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It mostly is tho, just missing on Fear of a Blank Planet and a couple little things more.
Holy shit you're right! Last I checked (a long time ago) it had only a couple of albums.
Yep. I'm pretty sure Lightbulb Sun, Stupid Dream and In Absentia weren't there week ago.
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It mostly is tho, just missing on Fear of a Blank Planet and a couple little things more.
Holy shit you're right! Last I checked (a long time ago) it had only a couple of albums.
Yep. I'm pretty sure Lightbulb Sun, Stupid Dream and In Absentia weren't there week ago.
All the Kscope+Warner albums were sorta popping on and off all year. Now they're all back (save FOABP for some reason) because Kscope now has the rights for all of them – note that it says Kscope 2017 for the copyright. There's a lot of hope now for DW and IA vinyl reissues and remasters, with even Burning Shed being coy about it on Twitter.
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Fear of a Blank Planet isn't even on iTunes. I was gonna by it since I lost my copy :(
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This album is awesomely chill. Its a good combination of his previous 3 albums. I'm really enjoying it a lot.
Song of I is calm and soothing and just mesmerising. Wish I could see it live one day. I don't think there's a song I dont like. Glad I bought the deluxe box.
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This album is coming round nicely, I feel like I get into it a lot easier than his last records. I just hope that doesn't mean I grow tired of it too fast.
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I've decided to check out his other solo stuff. I've heard To The Bone and HCE - right now I'm focusing on The Raven. I really like the tracks Drive Home and The Holy Drinker.
How would you rank his solo albums? Which is your favourite?
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Hand. cannot. erase.
The Raven
Grace
To the bone
Insurgentes
Grace and To the bone might switch places, To the bone is growing on me quite a bit.
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Grace
Insurgentes
Raven
To the Bone
Hand Cannot Erase
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Raven
Insurgentes
To The Bone (ranking may change over time)
Hand
Grace
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Raven
To the Bone
H.C.E
Grace
Insurgentes
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H.C.E
To The Bone
Raven
Insurgentes
Grace
(tho Raven still has my favourite SW song)
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Grace
Insurgentes
HCE
To the Bone
Raven
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The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories)
Hand. Cannot. Erase.
To The Bone
Grace For Drowning
Insurgentes
-Marc.
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Raven
HCE
Grace
Insurgentes
I'm slow and I haven't heard To the Bone yet.
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To The Bone
Hand. Cannot. Erase.
Raven
Insurgentes
Grace For Drowning
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Insurgentes
Grace for Drowning
Hand. Cannot. Erase.
To The Bone
The Raven That Refused to Sing
Apparently the only one so far that thinks the first is his best. That kind of surprises me.
TRTRTS gets saved mainly by The Watchmaker and the Drive Home solo for me. I listened to it last week and found some of the changes in the longer songs (Luminol and Holy Drinker) to be quite forced. HCE suffers from this occasionally too, though I think Ancestral is pretty damn great, despite forced changes. Raven's title track is okay-ish, but never did as much to me as it does to others. To the Bone is doing a good job in running up to HCE, which I really loved initially, but haven't come back to in quite a while. It might overtake it, but definitely won't outdo his first two for me.
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1. Hand. Cannot. Erase.
2. The Raven That Refused to Sing
3. To the Bone
4. Grace For Drowning
5. Insurgentes
Probably.
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1. Hand. Cannot. Erase.
2. The Raven That Refused to Sing
3. To the Bone
4. Grace For Drowning
5. Insurgentes
Probably.
Flip 1 and 2 and that's me.
BTW, all are great albums.
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BTW, all are great albums.
Oh, I don't think anyone doubts that :)
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Thank you all for the rankings. Looks like HCE and The Raven are among the most popular ones.
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1. Insurgentes
2. The Raven
3. To The Bone
4. Hand Cannot Erase
5. Grace For Drowning
Could change every day, they're all great.
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1. Hand. Cannot. Erase.
2. The Raven That Refused To Sing
3. To The Bone
4. Grace For Drowning
5. Insurgentes
Dont know Insurgentes so well yet.
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1. Insurgentes
:hifive:
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:tup
I could listen to Veneno Para Las Hadas on repeat, so relaxing. And especially when it came out, I appreciated it a lot for how different it was to Porcupine Tree.
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:tup
I could listen to Veneno Para Las Hadas on repeat, so relaxing. And especially when it came out, I appreciated it a lot for how different it was to Porcupine Tree.
I find this funny considering I always (even since the first listen) heard The Sky Moves Sideways in it. :lol I love Insurgentes too though, probably a tie between that and Grace for my favorite SW album. I just feel like SW doing his take on drone/noise/shoegaze/post-punk was much more refreshing and interesting than what he's done on the last few albums.
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Raven
Hand.Cannot.Erase
To The Bone
Grace
Insurgentes
HCE and To the Bone are just behind Raven for me. All of them are good though.
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1. Insurgentes, it's probably my favorite PT-SW album
2. HCE, it drags a bit in some instrumental sections but I love most of it
3. Probably TTB, though I haven't listened to it that much so far.
4. GfD, it has some incredible highs but a double is too much for me
5. Raven, just too proggy for my current taste
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:tup
I could listen to Veneno Para Las Hadas on repeat, so relaxing. And especially when it came out, I appreciated it a lot for how different it was to Porcupine Tree.
I find this funny considering I always (even since the first listen) heard The Sky Moves Sideways in it. :lol I love Insurgentes too though, probably a tie between that and Grace for my favorite SW album. I just feel like SW doing his take on drone/noise/shoegaze/post-punk was much more refreshing and interesting than what he's done on the last few albums.
Yes, it's pretty much identical to TSMS, he literally quotes himself basically.
Agreed on what you said. I really like the virtuoso guitar solos on Raven and HCE and all that proggy stuff, but that dark, soundscapist approach is something else SW totally nails. If there's any cheese in SW's prog tracks, there's absolutely none of that in his post-punk/drone stuff. I hope to hear something of a spiritual follow-up to that record from him in the future. He succesfully kinda ditched 'prog' on his latest, but I don't see him going any more Scissor Sisters either.
On a side note, I can't get into Nowhere Now at all. The 'speed of sound' feels like a not-so-subtle Coldplay reference, especially when the music already feels like Coldplay.
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HCE
To The Bone
GFD
(quality gap)
TRTRTS
Insurgentes
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Right now?
1. HCE
2. Raven
3. Bone (ing)
4. Insurgents
5. Grace
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As someone who never really got into Wilson's solo albums, i really like To The Bone!
One of the highlights of the year so far, along with the new The Night Flight Orchestra album!
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I'm the same with SW solo stuff, nothing has ever clicked until TTB.
I was a massive PT fan, but the solo stuff never did anything for me until this album.
Now that I am fully engrossed, I have ordered the first 3 albums, I hope they are as good as the Bone!
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I just feel like SW doing his take on drone/noise/shoegaze/post-punk was much more refreshing and interesting than what he's done on the last few albums.
Yeah, that's pretty much why I rate his first two solo albums as his best. Insurgentes seriously contains some of his best songs ever, most notably Get All You Deserve, which I absolutely adore.
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I just feel like SW doing his take on drone/noise/shoegaze/post-punk was much more refreshing and interesting than what he's done on the last few albums.
Yeah, that's pretty much why I rate his first two solo albums as his best. Insurgentes seriously contains some of his best songs ever, most notably Get All You Deserve, which I absolutely adore.
Yeah agreed. The first two solo albums definitely has his best solo songs on them. There are some gems on the last 3 (like title track of Raven) but for me it's all about those earlier songs. Like you said, Get All You Deserve is massively underrated and as far as I'm concerned a top3 solo track probably.
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H.C.E
To The Bone
Raven
Insurgentes
Grace
This, though Raven and Insurgentes may swap places depending on my mood.
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Raven
H.C.E
Grace
Bone
Insurgentes
Mainly because I never really listen it Insurgentes. It's not bad.. I just prefer the others more
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1. The Raven That Refused to Sing
2. Hand. Cannot. Erase.
3. Grace For Drowning
4. To The Bone
5. Insurgentes
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Thank you all for the rankings. Looks like HCE and The Raven are among the most popular ones.
Let us know how you like the solos in Drive Home off the Raven cd and Home Invasion/Regret #9 off the HCE cd.
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Drive home has to be one of my favorite solos of all time. I sorely miss Guthrie because I think when SW contained Guthrie some real magic happened.
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TRTRtS
HCE
TtB
GfD
Ins.
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HCE
GfD
TRTRtS
Insurgentes
TtB
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I'm not good at putting albums in order, but considering TRTRTS is the album that introduced me to SW, and totally hooked me from the first listen, it kind of surprises me that it's the one I go back to the least these days. I still love the album though.
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My order is this, with certainty:
1. Hand. Cannot. Erase.
2. The Raven That Refused to Sing
3. To The Bone
4. Grace For Drowning
5. Insurgentes
I like Insurgentes, but rarely listen to it. I absolute love Hand. Cannot. Erase. and The Raven That Refused to Sing and listen to them often. To The Bone and Grace For Drowning are two high quality records I'll frequently visit as well.
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1. Hand. Cannot. Erase.
2. The Raven That Refused To Sing
3. To The Bone
4. Grace For Drowning
5. Insurgentes
About the same for me. I still need to listen to To The Bone a little more but so far I find it to be a very fun and enjoyable album
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Has there been any information about a potential North American tour? When the announcement (https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/steven-wilson-announces-major-2018-tour/) came out for the European one, it said that détails for NA/SA would be released "soon"... :| It seems kind of weird for me to start his tour so long after the album's release.
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Maybe Steven has the same team booking the gigs as Dream Theater. :lol
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Reply starting to love To the Bone, like way more than any of his other solo albums. I don't know if it's because I started listening to it when I've been going through a tough time or what but it's resonating with me. I particularly love Pariah, mainly because of the beautiful female vocals :heart
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I'm glad he did something different. Raven and HCE are my favorites, but if he would have done another album that was similar to those two, it might have started to get stale. The change up on TtB really kept things fresh.
That being said, this album is growing on me, but I'm not sure it will rise to the level of Raven and HCE. My favorites so far are Nowhere Now, Same Asylum as Before (LOVE the Prodigal call back), Detonation, and Song of Unborn.
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Really cool interview with Steven on That Pedal Show. They go through his new pedal board for the tour, the guitar and amp that inspired the writing of the new record, and more -
https://youtu.be/L2DuEX-i9HI
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Even though Luminol has not aged that well for me, the other five songs are still amazing enough that The Raven... remains my favorite of his solo records.
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Crazy. I just saw that Steven at this point sells out the Colosseum in Essen (1500 seats) and added a second concert at the same venue the next day. Same for Manchester, in a 2300 venue.
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Here he plays in a 5500 capacity venue (we generally don't do seats). I actually have no doubt he could mostly fill it (last time was 3000 people sold out, with another show in another venue the evening after it), but the concert is on a wednesday, which lowers the chances of people outside of the region attending.
Anyways, I will definitely try to go, last time was one of my favourite concerts ever.
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It's great to see that he finally gets the recognition he so clearly deserves.
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Boston concert announced! April 27th.
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Damnit no FL dates. Might have to make a road trip somewhere.
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Damnit no FL dates. Might have to make a road trip somewhere.
Also surprised there are no Texas dates, even though both of the Dallas shows were sold out in the HCE leg.
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Maybe they only started announcing? The list seems to end somewhat abruptly.
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I'm hoping there is a second round of dates that addresses the southern states.
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Boston concert announced! April 27th.
See you there!
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I'll have to go see him this time around. I wish I could travel because that's my birthday...like why the heck couldn't he be in Houston on that day. Why can't you live your life around mine, WILSON!? :lol
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Ugh, the two Chicago dates are on a Tuesday and Wednesday. I need to talk my brother into flying out to Denver for the Friday show. :hat
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Ugh, the two Chicago dates are on a Tuesday and Wednesday. I need to talk my brother into flying out to Denver for the Friday show. :hat
Hook up with Jackie out there.
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I'm curious to see who he has playing guitar on the tour. That'll make or break my excitement.
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Alex Hutchinson. That's the nane of the new guitarist.
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Interesting. I just pulled a couple super quick clips up on youtube. Seems like he's got the chops, but is more... bluesy? than both Govan and Kilminster. I am okay with this.
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I was actually really concerned that the lack of either Marco or Guthrie on the album would lessen my enjoyment of it. But, I have to say, the lack of obvious fireworks actually works in its favor. It makes the album incredibly "round".
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I was actually really concerned that the lack of either Marco or Guthrie on the album would lessen my enjoyment of it. But, I have to say, the lack of obvious fireworks actually works in its favor. It makes the album incredibly "round".
It's refreshing that again, the album is different yet still Steven Wilson.
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Exactly. I think I know now what artists I like: the ones that get tired of themselves. Akerfeldt is that way, Wilson, even Genesis, and certainly Queen. They did a certain thing for a while, and when they got back in the studio they said "man, let's not play the same shit for yet another two years. I want to do some fresh, something fun." Opeth wrote a 70s prog album, Wilson a pop album, and if course Genesis and Queen need no mention.
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It's a rarity this day in age for a musician to change its stripes while still sounding like who they are. For me I'm always looking for new music and when it comes to Steven Wilson, he feeds that fire.
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I was actually really concerned that the lack of either Marco or Guthrie on the album would lessen my enjoyment of it. But, I have to say, the lack of obvious fireworks actually works in its favor. It makes the album incredibly "round".
The drums for me are a highlight. Jeremy Stacey's sound is just so awesome, especially his snare. A lot of the drum parts aren't complex by any measure, but they serve the song really well with no overt flashiness. Nowhere Now has one of my favorite drum breaks towards the end. It just fits the track so well
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I hear a lot of Porcupine Tree from the Stupid Dream era in To The Bone. It's not the same obviously but the overall atmosphere reminds me a lot of it. So while he does something new he's not really straying that far from his core sound imo.
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When I listen to People Who Eat Darkness, the band that keeps coming into my head as to who it sounds similar to is Foo Fighters. Probably the Foo Fighters would give it more kick (not to say that PWED doesn't have any kick to it), but I could imagine Foo Fighters doing a song like that.
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Still enjoying the new album, that harmonica on Refuge is outrageous.
Also, revisiting some older SW. Always loved Drive Home but for the first time saw the animated video. That was incredibly well done.
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Have you seen his new video for 'Nowhere Now'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENfI942SJTY
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Have you seen his new video for 'Nowhere Now'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENfI942SJTY
Thanks Z! Where the hell was that shot? Enjoyed it (although there were no explosions, slow-motion water soaked cymbals or girls in cages) ;D
SW is an amazing artist in so many ways.
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Have you seen his new video for 'Nowhere Now'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENfI942SJTY
Thanks Z! Where the hell was that shot? Enjoyed it (although there were no explosions, slow-motion water soaked cymbals or girls in cages) ;D
SW is an amazing artist in so many ways.
From his Facebook: "Filmed in various stunning locations in the Atacama Desert in Chile earlier this year".
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I'm very happy that my favorite song from the album got a video.
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The video starts well and then immediately becomes total cheese once the guitar is out of the case. It's awful. I love that the dude who did the Perfect Life video (who was originally going to do many of these TTB videos) has left so many hilarious, rude, accurately critical posts on social media about this and other recent videos.
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Eh. Yeah...that wasn't great at all. I mean it wasn't horrible, there was definitely cheese there, but it was more in good fun. The bad part was the video's very generic and cut-heavy direction. Like...yes, the scenery is great but that's not going to do much when we see it for a total of .5 seconds in increments of thirty snippets with the occasional 3 second shot of Wilson playing a guitar. Again, it's not the worst thing in the world but at this point I've come to expect something pretty original from the group and especially Hoile.
Amazing song. Sub par video. I don't think I'd be viewing it as so mediocre if his other videos weren't so epic, perfect and innovative though.
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Yeah, the song is great, but that video was pretty cheesy.
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Damnit no FL dates. Might have to make a road trip somewhere.
Has Steven Wilson or Haken ever toured in the Southeast US? They may have been to Atlanta for the progressive festival, but for a full concert?
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Damnit no FL dates. Might have to make a road trip somewhere.
Has Steven Wilson or Haken ever toured in the Southeast US? They may have been to Atlanta for the progressive festival, but for a full concert?
Yes, I saw The Incident tour at the Tabernacle. Well that was PT, so close.
HCE tour Center Stage fall of 16.
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SW's Grace for Drowining show (his first US show ever as a solo artist )was in Orlando at the House of Blues. Saw him with John Wesley subbing in for Niko Tsonev.
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Damnit no FL dates. Might have to make a road trip somewhere.
Has Steven Wilson or Haken ever toured in the Southeast US? They may have been to Atlanta for the progressive festival, but for a full concert?
He had many Florida dates for the HCE tour. I can't remember if he did two legs or just the one.
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I'm looking at setlist.fm and it appears that he has done 5 headlining shows in Florida within a 5 year span.
https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=steven+wilson+florida&ref=opensearch
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Happy birthday Steven, 50 years old today.
https://www.facebook.com/StevenWilsonHQ/posts/1634443886575867
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The trolling going on here is gold:
https://www.last.fm/music/Steven+Wilson
:rollin :rollin
"Guys! I've just read an interview with SW where he says the next album will be aimed solely at extradimensional beings as he wants to expand his fanbase further. He expects to lose a portion of his current fanbase as the music won't be perceivable in our reality because for us people inhabiting only three standard geometric dimensions the music on the album will appear as silence. He's mentioned it's safe for him to expect it will be called a masterpiece by many of earthlings nevertheless. It will be considered a very progressive and brave thing to release 60 minutes of silence. There will be an E8 crystal vinyl edition and a deluxe quantum edition including a brain implant with an immersing documentary of the album recording session at CERN. And the live visuals will be also something completely else! Shame we won't be able to see them. Still, can't wait!"
:rollin
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Happy birthday Steven, 50 years old today.
https://www.facebook.com/StevenWilsonHQ/posts/1634443886575867
I saw that as well. I’d like to look 35 when I reach 50 as well, damn!
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Happy Birthday to SW.
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Best post in Facebook
Wikipedia states:
"Wilson is also famous for using his sad music to feed off the tears of his fans, which he uses to preserve his relative youth, thereby explaining why he has not looked a day older than 35 for 15 years."
Which explains a lot.
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Lmao
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Yep, it is on Wikipedia. :lol
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Finally got to watch the documentary that comes on the Blu-ray. Though I'm not completely done watching it, does SW ever mention about Nick Beggs' bass playing being used for 'Song of I'? They show in the doc him playing and even label it as such. However, in the booklet, he isn't credited with the bass playing for that song. Furthermore, there isn't anyone credited to playing the bass in that song. Weird.
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Finished watching the documentary, it was really great to be a fly on the wall of the recording in the studio. I appreciate all the layers for each track a lot more now. I'm willing to bet there will be an EP out for this album as well, they showed some track that isn't listed anywhere 'Love saves us all' or something to that effect. I thought I heard a bunch of other snippets that weren't on the demo disc.
Either way been listening to the new record a lot more the past few days, I think the BR audio makes it that more enjoyable.
I think if I were to rank the albums now it would be something like this. Though I'd give all albums scores of 9/10 as I enjoy them all immensely. Ranking last doesn't mean it's a bad record for me at all.
1. Raven
2. HCE/To the Bone
3. Grace
4. Insurgentes
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SW did mention a follow-up EP in an interview sometime around the release, so we do have that to look forward to, next year presumably.
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Since I didn't get the CD or get a download code from the bluray and was listening to the streaming version so far, I ripped the bluray audio and then used foobar to convert the tracks to mp3. I downmixed the 5.1 DTS MA HD tracks to stereo 320 kbps mp3 and they sound really great on my regular earphones. It's a great listening experience on my iPhone as well. I'm so glad Steven Wilson does these high resolution audio mixes on his blurays.
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Since I didn't get the CD or get a download code from the bluray and was listening to the streaming version so far, I ripped the bluray audio and then used foobar to convert the tracks to mp3. I downmixed the 5.1 DTS MA HD tracks to stereo 320 kbps mp3 and they sound really great on my regular earphones. It's a great listening experience on my iPhone as well. I'm so glad Steven Wilson does these high resolution audio mixes on his blurays.
What software did you use to rip the audio?
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Questions for fans of To The Bone: What's your favourite track at this stage? How familiar with the album do you feel you are now?
For me, my favourite track is still Detonation. But I still keep being wowed by the sequence of Nowhere Now and Pariah. They are perfect examples of finding beauty in the sadness.
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Since I didn't get the CD or get a download code from the bluray and was listening to the streaming version so far, I ripped the bluray audio and then used foobar to convert the tracks to mp3. I downmixed the 5.1 DTS MA HD tracks to stereo 320 kbps mp3 and they sound really great on my regular earphones. It's a great listening experience on my iPhone as well. I'm so glad Steven Wilson does these high resolution audio mixes on his blurays.
What software did you use to rip the audio?
I personally use ISO2DSD, it's free and easy to use.
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Questions for fans of To The Bone: What's your favourite track at this stage? How familiar with the album do you feel you are now?
Favorite track is Refuge for me, which is an incredible track and became one of my favorite SW songs, followed by To The Bone and Same Asylum...I also enjoy A Door Marked Summer, specially the outro. Loved that instrumental outro section.
Other than that, the rest of the album is ok. Not his best work in my opinion. Would probably put it in the lower end of the SW catalog. Haven't played it much since the 1st week of release except for those tracks I mentioned above.
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People Who Eat Darkness still rocks my socks. It's a contender for my Song Of The Year when we sum up 2017.
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I'm still most drawn to the shorter, simpler songs. Nowhere now is a masterpiece, and I also adore Permanating, Song of unborn and the title track.
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I haven't listened to the album for a few weeks now, I overplayed it a bit. But damn, it's definitely another stellar album by the man. After all those spins, I have to say Song of Unborn is my favorite. The emotions during the quiet parts run pretty deep, feel very genuine.
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My favourite is probably Pariah, closely followed by Refuge and People Who Eat Darkness.
Also I suspect a video for People Who Eat Darkness by Jess Cope is released soon, Jess Cope posted on fb something about working for a video and the frames were labeled with PWED some time ago :p
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Questions for fans of To The Bone: What's your favourite track at this stage? How familiar with the album do you feel you are now?
For me, my favourite track is still Detonation. But I still keep being wowed by the sequence of Nowhere Now and Pariah. They are perfect examples of finding beauty in the sadness.
Detonation and Song of Unborn are my two favorites, without question. I think I'd give the slight nod to Song of Unborn.
The next tier would include People Who Eat Darkness, Refuge and the title track.
I think those will persist as the five classics (IMO) from this record.
Song of I is still my least favorite, and everything else is good.
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Permanating and Detonation are my favourites, but I admit I haven't listened to the album much since the week it came out. Tied with The Raven as my third favourite SW album
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Since I didn't get the CD or get a download code from the bluray and was listening to the streaming version so far, I ripped the bluray audio and then used foobar to convert the tracks to mp3. I downmixed the 5.1 DTS MA HD tracks to stereo 320 kbps mp3 and they sound really great on my regular earphones. It's a great listening experience on my iPhone as well. I'm so glad Steven Wilson does these high resolution audio mixes on his blurays.
What software did you use to rip the audio?
I use MakeMKV. Great free tool that pretty much rips an exact copy of the files on the disc with some simple options. Been using it for ages now. I used foobar to convert the mkv tracks to mp3 after using the LAME codec.
As for favorite track, it's probably Nowhere Now, followed closely by The Same Asylum As Before. Hard to decide on a favorite track, they are great I feel. The passage in Nowhere Now at 2:15 to 2:37 and then Rush sounding part around 3:15 leading into the last chorus just gives me goosebumps everytime. I love the part in the documentary that shows the recording of that passage, fascinating stuff on the layers they create in each song and how they decide what sound best suits the track.
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Kinda strange that he is waiting so long after the release of the album to start touring on it. Granted, tickets for it went on sale back then, but you rarely see an act wait this long between the release of an album and the start of the tour for it.
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Questions for fans of To The Bone: What's your favourite track at this stage? How familiar with the album do you feel you are now?
For me, my favourite track is still Detonation. But I still keep being wowed by the sequence of Nowhere Now and Pariah. They are perfect examples of finding beauty in the sadness.
Yea, I agree about Nowhere Now and Pariah. Those two are my faves with Pariah being my #1, it's so damn good :heart
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Kinda strange that he is waiting so long after the release of the album to start touring on it. Granted, tickets for it went on sale back then, but you rarely see an act wait this long between the release of an album and the start of the tour for it.
I may be wrong, but I seem to recall DT doing that with one of their recent tours. Not sure if it was ADTOE or DT12, but they released the album in September, then waited until January to start the tour. It makes sense in one way. Get autumn and Christmas out of the way; time for people to digest the album, then they get to hear the songs live.
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Kinda strange that he is waiting so long after the release of the album to start touring on it. Granted, tickets for it went on sale back then, but you rarely see an act wait this long between the release of an album and the start of the tour for it.
I may be wrong, but I seem to recall DT doing that with one of their recent tours. Not sure if it was ADTOE or DT12, but they released the album in September, then waited until January to start the tour. It makes sense in one way. Get autumn and Christmas out of the way; time for people to digest the album, then they get to hear the songs live.
He's also got a followup EP in the making for (I think) December, and I'm sure other commitments working for other artists that'll be released next year. Guy is busy!
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Just saw the Get all you deserve BlueRay as I just bought the new BR + 2CD version. Love it.... got me thinking on how will the band differ on the TTB tour?
Marco Minneman has been changed for Craig Blundell
Nick Beggs and Adam Holzman are still there
Who is the guitarplayer now?
And is Theo Travis still there? Hope so as I love what he adds.
Also Ninet Tayeb will be there on the dates she has no concert of her own.... really hope she will be with Steven in Stockholm as I love her voice.
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I can't get out of my head the idea of running a new Steven Wilson tournament in Polls & Survivors. Especially as two albums have come out since the last Steven Wilson Survivor was run in 2013. I've got two formats in mind, either of which I would vastly prefer to running a standard survivor.
1. A tournament like soccer's World Cup, with a round-robin "group stage", followed by a single-elimination tournament (last 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals and final).
2. A straight-ahead round-robin where each song will go up against all the others across 49 rounds.
Whichever format we go for, the idea is for 50 songs to participate. Most of the standard album tracks are included, giving us 45 songs. The remaining songs (including bonus tracks, the 4½ EP, Cover Version, plus shorter interlude tracks from the albums) will compete in a qualifying tournament for the remaining five slots. (This may be fairly short, so we can get to the main tournament as quickly as possible.)
I know there are pros and cons to both formats. The more I'm thinking about it, I'm swaying towards format 1. I like the idea of having a Final match, whereas with format 2 it's fairly likely we'll know the champion before we get to the final round of matches.
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I was making a survivor like a year or two ago but life got busy and forgot to keep it up :P Feel free to pick it up or restart it.
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Just saw the Get all you deserve BlueRay as I just bought the new BR + 2CD version. Love it.... got me thinking on how will the band differ on the TTB tour?
Marco Minneman has been changed for Craig Blundell
Nick Beggs and Adam Holzman are still there
Who is the guitarplayer now?
And is Theo Travis still there? Hope so as I love what he adds.
Also Ninet Tayeb will be there on the dates she has no concert of her own.... really hope she will be with Steven in Stockholm as I love her voice.
I can't think of his name , but I think I remember hearing that it is the same guy who is touring as the lead guitarist on the current Roger Waters tour.
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Just saw the Get all you deserve BlueRay as I just bought the new BR + 2CD version. Love it.... got me thinking on how will the band differ on the TTB tour?
Marco Minneman has been changed for Craig Blundell
Nick Beggs and Adam Holzman are still there
Who is the guitarplayer now?
And is Theo Travis still there? Hope so as I love what he adds.
Also Ninet Tayeb will be there on the dates she has no concert of her own.... really hope she will be with Steven in Stockholm as I love her voice.
According to goo goo who posted in the previous page, it'a new guitarist for this tour Alex Hutchinson. Theo wasn't there on the HCE tour, don't think he was there for the Raven tour either. I do love that bluray. Such an amazing performance and the sounds mixing kills it as well. It's so weird when you can finally appreciate those little things like sound mixing and formats, etc.. when you have a somewhat decent sound setup that is able to translate those nuances. Prior to my current PC everything sounded pretty much flat and you couldn't tell the difference between any sound format or quality.
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Oh yeah, Alex Hutchinson... I do recall seeing that name.
The Get all you deserve BlueRay is amazing... such a great band and I love what Theo brings.
Haven't seen Steven live before but will in February, that's why I asked about the live band.
By the way... isn't it high time for a new live BlueRay? Get all you deserve was recorded in 2012 and there has not been one since, has there?
Well.... there are a couple of live tracks on the Drive home BR but not a full concert.
Anyone think he will release one of this tour?
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if so i hope it's a royal albert hall recording, considering he's doing 3 nights there..
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It's definitely time for a new BR release. He did release a mini Bluray performance with 4 songs on the Drive Home EP right after Raven came out which is why I'm guessing he's waited a while before releasing a new one.
The four tracks being:
3."The Holy Drinker" (live in Frankfurt)
4."Insurgentes" (live in Frankfurt)
5."The Watchmaker" (live in Frankfurt)
6."The Raven that Refused to Sing" (live in Frankfurt)
I saw his concert last year on the HCE tour and it was fantastic. The band is the same listed here apart from the guitarist being Dave Kilminster. Now with having Ninet along the tour and several nights being sold out, I'm positive there will be a video release from this tour.
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Fully agreed, I hope they make a new one. Too bad it wasn't from the previous tour, because it is one of the best shows I have ever seen. That said, at least there is some really great pro shot footage out there ;D
For those who missed it, youtube playlists of two pro shot shows:
A large part of the HCE show streamed through Yahoo! Live Nation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEbfBiHYAGY&list=PLy3oj87cC2jBRYRySN7IjzxFN9G7-yqR7&index=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEbfBiHYAGY&list=PLy3oj87cC2jBRYRySN7IjzxFN9G7-yqR7&index=1)
And a partial broadcast of North Sea Jazz Festival:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqe2R77Encc&index=1&list=PL4_LCgyOEiK2yiEM9teVGxN07OukreF09 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqe2R77Encc&index=1&list=PL4_LCgyOEiK2yiEM9teVGxN07OukreF09)
(Steven also uploaded a vid from the second show, but as you can see there are more clips out there).
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Oh yeah, Alex Hutchinson... I do recall seeing that name.
The Get all you deserve BlueRay is amazing... such a great band and I love what Theo brings.
Haven't seen Steven live before but will in February, that's why I asked about the live band.
By the way... isn't it high time for a new live BlueRay? Get all you deserve was recorded in 2012 and there has not been one since, has there?
Well.... there are a couple of live tracks on the Drive home BR but not a full concert.
Anyone think he will release one of this tour?
No, SW has stated recently that You Tube has killed off live DVD/BR sales and he really isn't interested in doing another one.
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Oh yeah, Alex Hutchinson... I do recall seeing that name.
The Get all you deserve BlueRay is amazing... such a great band and I love what Theo brings.
Haven't seen Steven live before but will in February, that's why I asked about the live band.
By the way... isn't it high time for a new live BlueRay? Get all you deserve was recorded in 2012 and there has not been one since, has there?
Well.... there are a couple of live tracks on the Drive home BR but not a full concert.
Anyone think he will release one of this tour?
No, SW has stated recently that You Tube has killed off live DVD/BR sales and he really isn't interested in doing another one.
Noooooooooooo...............
Get him on Kickstarter for that.
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Oh yeah, Alex Hutchinson... I do recall seeing that name.
The Get all you deserve BlueRay is amazing... such a great band and I love what Theo brings.
Haven't seen Steven live before but will in February, that's why I asked about the live band.
By the way... isn't it high time for a new live BlueRay? Get all you deserve was recorded in 2012 and there has not been one since, has there?
Well.... there are a couple of live tracks on the Drive home BR but not a full concert.
Anyone think he will release one of this tour?
No, SW has stated recently that You Tube has killed off live DVD/BR sales and he really isn't interested in doing another one.
Really? That blows. I have every and any album that he's released on bluray, wasn't aware that youtube took away a lot from his sales to make him consider abandoning live video releases altogether. I gather his fanbase are more in tune with his album presentations that others, which I would think prefer to listen to his music mix in the most pristine way possible rather than on youtube of all places.
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I think he's mostly not all that interested in a typical concert recording, he'd love to be able to make something like Sigur Rós did tho.
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What did Sigur Ros do?
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Basically, they did a free tour through Iceland where they played in many different places. Some concerts in small cities, some in the middle of the countryside, some in the highlands. The film is called "Heima" and is basically the main reason that made me really want to go to Iceland (which I finally did last summer). It's basically a concert film that is also a documentary about Icelandic culture. I think it's on youtube somewhere, so go check it out if you find yourself with 100 minutes of free time. Highly recommended, it's probably my favourite "concert" film by any band.
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Sounds intriguing, that definitely would be a change of things. Anyone have a link to the article/video where Steven talks about youtube killing his video sales?
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I think it was during one of his recent Facebook chats when quizzed over why there was never a video release of the 'Hand. Cannot. Erase.' tour. I personally don't recall him saying he'd never do another one, though.
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Heads up to the EU playstation 4 gamers, Last Day of June, the SW related game discussed earlier, is on sale for 10 euros the coming days (instead of 20). Has anyone checked it out yet? Due to Black Friday sales and a vinyl convention, I can't allow myself to buy more entertainment products at this point of time, but it is definitely on my radar.
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Has anyone checked it out yet?
I started playing the game with my girlfriend last week and I think we're about halway trough now. If you like games driven by a story and atmosphere instead of gameplay I'd definitely recommend it. The art style combined with Steven Wilson's emotional music really makes it something else.
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So I’ve been waiting patiently to see if they would ad a show in Århus (Denmark) where I have seen Steven two times before but doesn’t look like that is going to happen so I was going to bite the bullet and get a ticket to the show in Copenhagen (where I absolutely hate driving for a show, but at least it is on a Saturday (and I really regret not buying the box set so am hoping there will be some tour stock available as well).
Went to SW’s site clicked the tickets n info link, got the app... and the damn thing is sold out :(.
So now I have decided to drive to Hamburg (actually not much different time wise from going to CPH.. minus the toll bridge or ferry charges)...
Anyway, to make a short story long, there are two shows at the Merh Theater and I was wondering if there would be an advantage set wise taking one over the other (no I can’t afford to do both... unfortunately)... And anyone been there before and can give me tips on tickets? Think there is seated and non seated, but I couldn’t see where I’d be sitting... so maybe it is unreserved seating(?).
Thanks :).
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Right, I have a bone to pick with some of you (no pun intended).
Some of you have claimed that part of The Same Asylum As Before is a ripoff of PT's Prodigal. I'm listening to Prodigal now and the part I thought might have been it sounds nothing like Asylum at all. Seriously, if you're gonna have a go, at least be accurate about it, for goodness' sake!
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Speaking of PT, surprised nobody mentioned we're finally getting remasters of In Absentia and Deadwing :metal.
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Yea I saw that, I gotta pre-order the vinyls today.
The vinyl's don't have chloroform on them do they?
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Speaking of PT, surprised nobody mentioned we're finally getting remasters of In Absentia and Deadwing :metal.
I'm happy about this, but I don't think they really needed a remaster (given I feel they already sounded great, limiting and everything). But hey, any excuse to check these magnificent pieces of music again, right? :D
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Speaking of PT, surprised nobody mentioned we're finally getting remasters of In Absentia and Deadwing :metal.
I'm happy about this, but I don't thing they really needed a remaster (given I feel they already sounded great, limiting and everything). But hey, any excuse to check these magnificent pieces of music again, right? :D
IA sounds great but DW really suffers from the limiter, imo. The kick drums are crushed right out of the mix on a lot of songs, especially the title track, and I will never unhear the clipping distortion when the heavy guitars enter for the chorus of "Open Car." On the DVD-A, "Mother & Child Divided" in stereo is so squashed it's just a giant brick, including in the middle ambient part!
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The vinyl's don't have chloroform on them do they?
Yeah, IA has the original CD tracklist, but seems Deadwing has Half-Light and So Called Friend, nice.
Speaking of PT, surprised nobody mentioned we're finally getting remasters of In Absentia and Deadwing :metal .
I'm happy about this, but I don't thing they really needed a remaster (given I feel they already sounded great, limiting and everything). But hey, any excuse to check these magnificent pieces of music again, right? :D
IA sounds great but DW really suffers from the limiter, imo. The kick drums are crushed right out of the mix on a lot of songs, especially the title track, and I will never unhear the clipping distortion when the heavy guitars enter for the chorus of "Open Car." On the DVD-A, "Mother & Child Divided" in stereo is so squashed it's just a giant brick, including in the middle ambient part!
Having recently listened to a vinyl rip of IA, I really can't go back to the original at all, and I agree about DW. Both albums are finally getting a proper, dynamic remaster. I'll just wait for the CDs sometime next year :metal
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Funny this thread popped up, just listened to this album for the first time in a while today. I still love some elements, but To the Bone is definitely his least memorable for me, of the solo stuff. It just doesn't pack the same punch, but I always appreciate when he branches out and does different stuff. I do enjoy his poppy side.
I guess I wasn't active here when this came out so I missed the whole discussion. It's fresh in my mind so here are a few thoughts:
For me the shining moments are Refuge (gorgeous), Permanating (and the way this heartbreaking song leads into one soo upbeat- it's so SW), People Who Eat Darkness (so much fun, amazing energy), Song of I (so dark/haunting and sexy, gawd), and Detonation (total badassery and then groovy as hell).
The title track is very catchy and I enjoy it. Nowhere Now and Pariah have grown on me but I could still take or leave. Total cheesefest- same with Song of Unborn. Meh.
Same Asylum is pretty good, aside from the vocals feels kinda like a PT song, which isn't a bad thing but it's nothing special.
Blank Tapes is very pretty.
I have no beef with Ninet but I also have never been as into her as I know others are, and I am kinda over the obsession with her. Sophie Hunger, on the other hand, I would love to hear more of.
As some of you know I'll be traveling to London for the first time in March and going to all three RAH shows! Followed by the Denver one about a month later. Can't wait to see what he has in store for this tour. Also if anybody wants to meet up... :caffeine:
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Speaking of PT, surprised nobody mentioned we're finally getting remasters of In Absentia and Deadwing :metal.
I'm happy about this, but I don't thing they really needed a remaster (given I feel they already sounded great, limiting and everything). But hey, any excuse to check these magnificent pieces of music again, right? :D
IA sounds great but DW really suffers from the limiter, imo. The kick drums are crushed right out of the mix on a lot of songs, especially the title track, and I will never unhear the clipping distortion when the heavy guitars enter for the chorus of "Open Car." On the DVD-A, "Mother & Child Divided" in stereo is so squashed it's just a giant brick, including in the middle ambient part!
Clipping distorsion? My, I don't recall that. It's been a while since I last listened to those two albums, so I guess I'll just wait for the new remasters.
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While the mix in In Absentia is gorgeous, the master is very hot and compressed AF.
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While the mix in In Absentia is gorgeous, the master is very hot and compressed AF.
Same for DW. I think most people don't notice it at first because both records have an amazing production, but the compression is just ridiculous, even Steven as been critical of those, and I'm glad he finally got the chance to give us a new version. His latest remasters have been brilliant :hefdaddy
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While the mix in In Absentia is gorgeous, the master is very hot and compressed AF.
Same for DW. I think most people don't notice it at first because both records have an amazing production, but the compression is just ridiculous, even Steven as been critical of those, and I'm glad he finally got the chance to give us a new version. His latest remasters have been brilliant :hefdaddy
That's what I dont really like about the albums, mainly Deadwing. Open Car and The Start of Something Beautiful really have the compression in the chorus.
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As some of you know I'll be traveling to London for the first time in March and going to all three RAH shows! Followed by the Denver one about a month later. Can't wait to see what he has in store for this tour. Also if anybody wants to meet up... :caffeine:
We're going to all three shows at the Royal Albert Hall, too. Given the amount of material the band have been asked to learn, I suspect it'll be three fairly varied setlists - which'll be nice!
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I do hope we get some sort of live recording. HCE live was even better than the studio album.
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As some of you know I'll be traveling to London for the first time in March and going to all three RAH shows! Followed by the Denver one about a month later. Can't wait to see what he has in store for this tour. Also if anybody wants to meet up... :caffeine:
We're going to all three shows at the Royal Albert Hall, too. Given the amount of material the band have been asked to learn, I suspect it'll be three fairly varied setlists - which'll be nice!
Yes, for sure. I was glad when I started seeing his announcements about that. I was on the fence about getting tickets for all three because I'm sure there will still be a lot of overlap (and because I will be in a new city for the first time that I'm excited about exploring), but I enjoy the album enough to hear it three nights in a row :D
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Getting tickets to Hamburg was proving more frustrating than I thought it was worth (so far) so I got my Christmas present to my self and bought the deluxe box on EBay and just finished watching the documentary and really enjoyed it (“These are the sort of make something happen type pedals” :laugh:)...
And am now listening to the 5.1 mix... LOUD and am also enjopying the hell out of that. I liked the album pretty much from the start but it has grown on me even more.. even/especially some of the more popy songs.
I also really hope he does another live bd. I love the emersiveness of his live recordings and don’t want/hope not to be relegated to clips on youtube.
I really hope I get to see him Live again on this tour but the cost of mailing a ticket from Germany to Denmark is 34€ From Ticketmaster (For a frigging piece of paper)... half the price of the ticket (no will call or E-ticket available). And the other “official” place couldn’t show me my seat location and I refuse to buy reserved seats blind :-\
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That's some bullshit.
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Funny this thread popped up, just listened to this album for the first time in a while today. I still love some elements, but To the Bone is definitely his least memorable for me, of the solo stuff. It just doesn't pack the same punch, but I always appreciate when he branches out and does different stuff. I do enjoy his poppy side.
This mostly sums it up for me as well. I like all of it, and it has some major keepers like Refuge, Detonation and Song of Unborn, but the album as a whole is merely "very good," which would be fine for most artists, but for us spoiled Steven Wilson :P, we are used to be utterly destroyed by the greatness of his albums, and this one just doesn't quite reach that level And that is okay. :tup :tup
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I wish he trusted his musicians more than him playing multiple instruments. That was the magic for The Raven That Refused To Sing.
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True, but he said he was going for a more simple approach on this album from a playing standpoint, so it was never going to be an album with playing as "flashy" as his prior two solo records.
I will say this: the drumming on this album is really lacking. Every time I listen to Nowhere Now, the drums irk me. Maitland, Harrison and Minnemann could all play, but they could always make the simple stuff still sound great. There are too many moments on this album where the drums lack "oomph," most notably in Nowhere Now. The drumming in that song fails to drive the song as much as it should.
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though it's exactly the way Steven wanted it. ;)
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Even the greats aren't always totally right. ;)
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I do like the drums on People Who Eat Darkness!
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True, but he said he was going for a more simple approach on this album from a playing standpoint, so it was never going to be an album with playing as "flashy" as his prior two solo records.
I will say this: the drumming on this album is really lacking. Every time I listen to Nowhere Now, the drums irk me. Maitland, Harrison and Minnemann could all play, but they could always make the simple stuff still sound great. There are too many moments on this album where the drums lack "oomph," most notably in Nowhere Now. The drumming in that song fails to drive the song as much as it should.
I actually think the drums are perfect for the song. Maybe it’s just me, but Nowhere Now reminds me of a Tom Petty track, namely in the guitar sound. The drums play for the song and have that bombastic ending (bombastic in the sense of the album). Then again, I’m just in love with the drum sound for the album, especially on Refuge during the solos.
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Anyone listen to the Last Day of June soundtrack?
I love hearing this take on his music.
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Nope, not yet but have been meaning to check it out.
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I actually think the drums are perfect for the song. Maybe it’s just me, but Nowhere Now reminds me of a Tom Petty track, namely in the guitar sound. The drums play for the song and have that bombastic ending (bombastic in the sense of the album). Then again, I’m just in love with the drum sound for the album, especially on Refuge during the solos.
Listening to this the other day, I did think the drums in Refuge were really good, so I am with ya on that one. :tup :tup
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I think the drumming on this album is great. Though it's mainly simple stuff, Craig makes it sound pretty awesome. And that's a very hard thing for a drummer imo. The masters in this field are of course Keith Carlock, Steve Gadd, Vinnie Colaiuta (and pretty much everyone involved with later Steely Dan records) but I think this approach fits the album well and is exactly what Steven intended. No huge fills, no polyrhythm stuff, just basic, awesome 4/4 that grooves AF.
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I think the drumming on this album is great. Though it's mainly simple stuff, Craig makes it sound pretty awesome.
Craig Blundell only plays on Pariah, Song of I, People Who Eat Darkness and Song of Unborn. It's Jeremy Stacey on the other tracks.
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Refuge is such an ode to Red Rain by Peter Gabriel. Play them back to back. Refuge is my favorite tune on the album.
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I think the drumming on this album is great. Though it's mainly simple stuff, Craig makes it sound pretty awesome.
Craig Blundell only plays on Pariah, Song of I, People Who Eat Darkness and Song of Unborn. It's Jeremy Stacey on the other tracks.
Damn this is embarrassing... Anyway, Craig AND JEREMY make it sound pretty awesome!
Refuge is such an ode to Red Rain by Peter Gabriel. Play them back to back.
And I think Pariah is an ode to Don't Give Up by Peter Gabriel! But you're totally right, the Red Rain comparison works just as well.
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https://www.facebook.com/notes/steven-wilson/steven-wilsons-2018-new-year-update/1695867870433468/
Moving into 2018, the big event is touring most of the year with my band. As well as playing music from To the Bone, I’m going to be dedicating some of the repertoire to two albums that are soon to receive high-profile reissues, which are In Absentia and Deadwing (starting first with remastered vinyl editions in February/March). There is also going to be a lot of new visual elements to the show – myself, Lasse Hoile, Jess Cope and lighting designer Martin have all been working hard to try to take everything to the next level in terms of spectacle.
Let the setlist speculation begin, right? :P I'm expecting at least Blackest Eyes to make an appearance, given that it's one of the biggest PT songs, but SW hasn't played it with his solo band yet. Out of the more obscure tracks, maybe Mellotron Scratch and the live premiere of Collapse the Light into Earth?
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I thought both of these albums had already been reissued and remastered over and over again and released as cd, vinyl, 5.1 audio, bluray audio, etc. If the new reissue doesn't have any unreleased tracks or live tracks, I don't see the point.
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I think they've only been reissued once, but never remastered, so I'm glad he's giving them the proper treatment now, and will release them on CD as well. Deadwing has So Called Friend and Half-Light included so that's nice. But yeah, more unreleased tracks and maybe demos would have been nice.
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https://www.facebook.com/notes/steven-wilson/steven-wilsons-2018-new-year-update/1695867870433468/
Moving into 2018, the big event is touring most of the year with my band. As well as playing music from To the Bone, I’m going to be dedicating some of the repertoire to two albums that are soon to receive high-profile reissues, which are In Absentia and Deadwing (starting first with remastered vinyl editions in February/March). There is also going to be a lot of new visual elements to the show – myself, Lasse Hoile, Jess Cope and lighting designer Martin have all been working hard to try to take everything to the next level in terms of spectacle.
Let the setlist speculation begin, right? :P I'm expecting at least Blackest Eyes to make an appearance, given that it's one of the biggest PT songs, but SW hasn't played it with his solo band yet. Out of the more obscure tracks, maybe Mellotron Scratch and the live premiere of Collapse the Light into Earth?
I'm seriously hoping for Collapse The Light Into Earth or Lips Of Ashes. Both previously unplayed but my favorites on the album along with Heartattack In A Layby (which is likely to be played considering SW loves it). I'd really be disappointed if it's the "usual suspects" like Blackest Eyes, Trains, and Sound of Muzak.
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How about Gravity Eyelids? Am I the only one who loves that song?
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no :-)
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Collapse... and HAIALB are two of my favorite songs ever written, not just by SW. I'd pay just to see those live. Used to play Collapse all the freaking time in college in the practice rooms when I'd get sick of Beethoven :)
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How about Gravity Eyelids? Am I the only one who loves that song?
Nope. I love that song.
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I think they've only been reissued once, but never remastered, so I'm glad he's giving them the proper treatment now, and will release them on CD as well. Deadwing has So Called Friend and Half-Light included so that's nice. But yeah, more unreleased tracks and maybe demos would have been nice.
I’m really bummed chloroform didn’t make it on the reissue.
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I'm not a big fan of that song so I don't mind, but I'm really disappointed Drown With Me isn't included.
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Where are results, sacul :corn
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Gawd, after seeing that announcement I am even more excited that I'm seeing him four times this year :caffeine:
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I thought both of these albums had already been reissued and remastered over and over again and released as cd, vinyl, 5.1 audio, bluray audio, etc. If the new reissue doesn't have any unreleased tracks or live tracks, I don't see the point.
Only vinyl reissues have been announced so far, but SW's post seems to hint at CD releases as well.
I'm seriously hoping for Collapse The Light Into Earth or Lips Of Ashes. Both previously unplayed but my favorites on the album along with Heartattack In A Layby (which is likely to be played considering SW loves it). I'd really be disappointed if it's the "usual suspects" like Blackest Eyes, Trains, and Sound of Muzak.
I'd love to hear Lips of Ashes, but I get the feeling that it's more of a studio song, with the hammered dulcimer, guitar and vocal layers and all. I could see Heartattack being played though.
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Gawd, after seeing that announcement I am even more excited that I'm seeing him four times this year :caffeine:
I'm definitely considering switching from the Philly show to the back to back NYC shows.
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Song of Unborn is my favorite new song of any artist in 2017. Musically and lyrically fantastic.
I have a question though. Do any of you hear a slight slur in some of SW's pronunciations? I've been a huge fan since the early PT days and have always wondered if anyone else heard it. NOT criticizing - it actually adds a little to the "mystique" that is SW. Just curious if others hear it.
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I think Song of Unborn is wonderful. Sometimes I forget that it's there buried at the end of the album.
I don't hear any slurs, do you have an example?
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I think Song of Unborn is wonderful. Sometimes I forget that it's there buried at the end of the album.
I don't hear any slurs, do you have an example?
It's very subtle, I hear it on some "S"'s and moreso on "L"'s.
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I think Song of Unborn is wonderful. Sometimes I forget that it's there buried at the end of the album.
I don't hear any slurs, do you have an example?
It's very subtle, I hear it on some "S"'s and moreso on "L"'s.
Since English is not my first language, I don't quite understand the word "slur". Can you explain what you mean?
BTW, Song Of Unborn is indeed fantastic. Definitely one of my 3 favs on To The Bone and a perfect way to end the album.
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I think Song of Unborn is wonderful. Sometimes I forget that it's there buried at the end of the album.
I don't hear any slurs, do you have an example?
It's very subtle, I hear it on some "S"'s and moreso on "L"'s.
Since English is not my first language, I don't quite understand the word "slur". Can you explain what you mean?
BTW, Song Of Unborn is indeed fantastic. Definitely one of my 3 favs on To The Bone and a perfect way to end the album.
It's like his lips are improperly forming the way an S or L would normally be spoken. Again, not a big deal I was just curious is others ever noticed.
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Yeah, I've noticed it too.
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I really want to gauge how much interest there would be for taking part in a new SW tournament. We'd start with a qualifying tournament involving most of the non-album tracks (bonus tracks, 4½ EP, original tracks from Cover Version), plus the interlude tracks from the main albums (songs like First Regret and Raider Prelude). I kinda want this to be done as quickly as possible, so it'll probably be a simple "vote for your favourites", and we'll cull so many in one go. We'll probably need subsequent rounds, but certainly not 35 rounds. Anyway, five of these qualifiers will join the 45 songs in the main tournament, which will involve a round-robin group stage, then a 16-song knockout tournament.
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I'd participate, but feel free to revive my old Survivor or start something new :P
Also, has anybody been listening to the latest Porcupine Tree/Blackfield/No-Man Remasters? I think Steven has massively improved his mastering skills in the last 5 years or so, and it's now making his backlog way more dynamic and clear. Was listening to the new 2 CD edition of No-Man's Returning Jesus and it sounds fantastic. The first two Blackfield and the early PT albums got an amazing treatment as well. Really looking forward to the In Absentia and Deadwing ones :metal
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I don't want to run it as a Survivor. I want it to be where we vote for the songs we like more rather than those we like least. Also, there will be some elements of chance involved, as the groups and each round of the knockout stage will be determined by a random draw.
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https://www.facebook.com/notes/steven-wilson/steven-wilsons-2018-new-year-update/1695867870433468/
Moving into 2018, the big event is touring most of the year with my band. As well as playing music from To the Bone, I’m going to be dedicating some of the repertoire to two albums that are soon to receive high-profile reissues, which are In Absentia and Deadwing (starting first with remastered vinyl editions in February/March). There is also going to be a lot of new visual elements to the show – myself, Lasse Hoile, Jess Cope and lighting designer Martin have all been working hard to try to take everything to the next level in terms of spectacle.
Let the setlist speculation begin, right? :P I'm expecting at least Blackest Eyes to make an appearance, given that it's one of the biggest PT songs, but SW hasn't played it with his solo band yet. Out of the more obscure tracks, maybe Mellotron Scratch and the live premiere of Collapse the Light into Earth?
PLEASE STEVEN PLAY GRAVITY EYELIDS AND MELLOTRON SCRATCH :heart
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Oh man Mellotron Scratch would be awesome. That was the first PT song I heard.
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I can't remember which one was mine, but Deadwing was the first PT album I ever bought, followed by Signify. Hearing Coma Divine for the first time cemented my love for the band. They became my most listened-to band during high school, even more so than Dream Theater, which I listened to almost exclusively in the second-to-last year. Coma Divine still is my favourite PT release and all-round favourite live album.
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Well, I'm taking the plunge. Only one way to find out how this will pan out. I hope we have some fun.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51648.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51648.0)
We begin on January 15th.
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https://www.facebook.com/notes/steven-wilson/steven-wilsons-2018-new-year-update/1695867870433468/
Moving into 2018, the big event is touring most of the year with my band. As well as playing music from To the Bone, I’m going to be dedicating some of the repertoire to two albums that are soon to receive high-profile reissues, which are In Absentia and Deadwing (starting first with remastered vinyl editions in February/March). There is also going to be a lot of new visual elements to the show – myself, Lasse Hoile, Jess Cope and lighting designer Martin have all been working hard to try to take everything to the next level in terms of spectacle.
Let the setlist speculation begin, right? :P I'm expecting at least Blackest Eyes to make an appearance, given that it's one of the biggest PT songs, but SW hasn't played it with his solo band yet. Out of the more obscure tracks, maybe Mellotron Scratch and the live premiere of Collapse the Light into Earth?
PLEASE STEVEN PLAY GRAVITY EYELIDS AND MELLOTRON SCRATCH :heart
Oh yes! That would be amazing.
You're probably going to the Amsterdam show as well, right?
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Just a heads-up that The Wilson Cup will be kicking off tomorrow with the Qualifying section. This will involve the following songs:
PORT RUBICON, PUNCTURE WOUND, COLLECTING SPACE, INSURGENTES (MEXICO), THE 78, GRACE FOR DROWNING, RAIDER PRELUDE, BELLE DE JOUR, HOME IN NEGATIVE, FLUID TAP, THE MAP, RAIDER ACCELERATION, BLACK DOG THROWBACKS, CLOCK SONG, THE BIRTHDAY PARTY, FIRST REGRET, ASCENDANT HERE ON..., KEY OF SKELETON, LAST REGRET, MY BOOK OF REGRETS, YEAR OF THE PLAGUE, HAPPINESS III, SUNDAY RAIN SETS IN, VERMILLIONCORE, DON'T HATE ME (2016), MOMENT I LOST, PLEASE COME HOME, FOUR TREES DOWN, THE UNQUIET GRAVE, WELL YOU'RE WRONG, AN END TO END, ASK ME NICELY (INTRO), A DOOR MARKED SUMMER, ASK ME NICELY, NORTHERN CYCLONIC
These comprise bonus tracks from special editions of the five studio albums, interlude-type tracks from the albums, the entire 4½ EP, and the original songs from the Cover Version EPs. Five of these songs will join the 45 songs (every studio album track except the few listed here) in the main tournament. You'll be asked to pick the five songs you want to see in the main draw. Depending on how many participants we get, the songs with fewer votes (certainly those with 0 votes, and likely those with 1 vote) will be eliminated and we'll go again until we get down to five songs. More information is available in the Home thread (link in my signature below) and on the voting thread I'll start tomorrow.
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The Wilson Cup is GO!
Head here for the Qualifying stage (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51671.0) and vote however you choose. The poll is open for THREE days.
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Sweet I'll be voting!
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So, I missed the boat on seeing Steven this time in Boston :( The venue is too small for his popularity, and the tickets are sold out. Ticketmaster has resale tickets, but for $230, which is absurd. Maybe I'm lucky and I can snag a ticket the day of.
EDIT: Stubhub has some for $150, but even that is outrageous. $80 is my pain threshold.
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Round 2 of Qualifying for the Wilson Cup is underway! (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51699.0) Eight songs remain, of which five will go through to compete with the big boys in the main tournament! Go vote now!
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The Group Stage of the Wilson Cup has begun! Groups A & B are here (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51722.0). There will be new polls starting each day, so make sure to go check Polls & Survivors regularly.
Voting in each poll lasts for 24 hours.
And this will be the last "plug" (from me anyway) in this thread, at least until the latter end of the group stage.
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So, I missed the boat on seeing Steven this time in Boston :( The venue is too small for his popularity, and the tickets are sold out. Ticketmaster has resale tickets, but for $230, which is absurd. Maybe I'm lucky and I can snag a ticket the day of.
EDIT: Stubhub has some for $150, but even that is outrageous. $80 is my pain threshold.
Same thing happened to me for the Montreal and Quebec city shows, they'Ve been sold out for months. For a "prog" act in 2018 that's pretty impressive.
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So, I missed the boat on seeing Steven this time in Boston :( The venue is too small for his popularity, and the tickets are sold out. Ticketmaster has resale tickets, but for $230, which is absurd. Maybe I'm lucky and I can snag a ticket the day of.
EDIT: Stubhub has some for $150, but even that is outrageous. $80 is my pain threshold.
Same thing happened to me for the Montreal and Quebec city shows, they'Ve been sold out for months. For a "prog" act in 2018 that's pretty impressive.
The show that I will go to in Stockholm on the 26th of February has been sold out for a while too... he is definitely popular
BTW; Don't forget to vote in group C of the Wilson tournament
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51730.0
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So, I missed the boat on seeing Steven this time in Boston :( The venue is too small for his popularity, and the tickets are sold out. Ticketmaster has resale tickets, but for $230, which is absurd. Maybe I'm lucky and I can snag a ticket the day of.
EDIT: Stubhub has some for $150, but even that is outrageous. $80 is my pain threshold.
Same thing happened to me for the Montreal and Quebec city shows, they'Ve been sold out for months. For a "prog" act in 2018 that's pretty impressive.
The show that I will go to in Stockholm on the 26th of February has been sold out for a while too... he is definitely popular
The Helsinki show was sold out a couple of months ago as well, which is a first for SW. Luckily I managed to buy a ticket from a guy who was selling his. :angel:
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I guess he is getting more exposure with TTB than before bringing in new fans.... I am one.
Listened to some tracks before (Porcupine Tree) but they did not click with me.
When he came around for HCE I thought it strange that I was not going. Considered diving in...
When TTB was announced I started listening and newer songs clicked, then older.... now I love most of what I have heared.
Have all soloalbums and some other stuff and starting to dig into PT as well....
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So, I missed the boat on seeing Steven this time in Boston :( The venue is too small for his popularity, and the tickets are sold out. Ticketmaster has resale tickets, but for $230, which is absurd. Maybe I'm lucky and I can snag a ticket the day of.
EDIT: Stubhub has some for $150, but even that is outrageous. $80 is my pain threshold.
Damn you! I'm going again with the wife.
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So... the TTB tour trailer (https://twitter.com/StevenWilsonHQ/status/958388918893891590) is online and includes a clip of Arriving Somewhere :caffeine:
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Awesome, always been a big favorite of mine and I haven't heard that since PT's last US show.
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I still say that is one of the 3-4 best songs PT ever did, although it really is hard to narrow it down to just 3 or 4.
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Assuming it is correct, the set list of the first show tonight in Portugal looks pretty great:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2018/sala-tejo-altice-arena-lisbon-portugal-53ee9b71.html
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Thats an amazing set.
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Assuming it is correct, the set list of the first show tonight in Portugal looks pretty great:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2018/sala-tejo-altice-arena-lisbon-portugal-53ee9b71.html
That encore looks amazing. Great choices all around.
I haven't paid much attention in the sphere of SW news, but has it been said if there will be a live album/video for this tour?
-Marc.
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I don't think he ever announces that kind of stuff this far ahead of time. I always assume he won't release one unless it's actually in my hands.
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Except for song #17 for some reason being dragged out yet again, it's a great set.
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As amazing as Sleep Together is live, I’m pretty sure it’s been on all three shows I’ve seen. I’d like to see a different track from DW/IA, although the other selections are great :metal
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Sleep Together isn't on IA or Deadwing? Unless you're referring to another song in the set... which I'm not looking at because I want to be somewhat surprised. I am psyched about Arriving Somewhere, which I haven't seen since 2006!
Edit: Oh wait, do you mean an additional song off IA or Deadwing instead of ST? I'd be on board with that since I've seen it a bunch already. It's so good live though!
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Assuming it is correct, the set list of the first show tonight in Portugal looks pretty great:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2018/sala-tejo-altice-arena-lisbon-portugal-53ee9b71.html
I don't see the need to keep songs #13 and #17 as staples (although they're great), and song #4 has never been a big favorite of mine, but the rest of the set looks pretty cool (#10 and #15 :hefdaddy). I assume there'll be some rotation, given that there'll be 3 shows at the Royal Albert Hall and SW talked about playing different songs at each of them - I could see at least the first spot of the encore where he's performing solo changing nightly.
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You're probably going to the Amsterdam show as well, right?
Yes. Got my tickets about a year ago :lol
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That's a really good set list. :tup
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looks like Ninet Tayeb performed with the band this evening, but not yesterday. Anyone know what shows she'll be at? Fingers crossed for Amsterdam :metal
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Tonight's set list (assuming it is correct):
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2018/wizink-center-madrid-spain-7bee96a8.html
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looks like Ninet Tayeb performed with the band this evening, but not yesterday. Anyone know what shows she'll be at? Fingers crossed for Amsterdam :metal
Unfortunately if what I have heared is true, she will only perform in Spain and the UK.
I was really hoping she would perform in Stockholm...
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I could see at least the first spot of the encore where he's performing solo changing nightly.
Called it!
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You're probably going to the Amsterdam show as well, right?
Yes. Got my tickets about a year ago :lol
Excellent, same here :biggrin:
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should we have a forum meetup?
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I had tickets to the Amsterdam show, but a month ago it was announced that I have to make an educational trip to the UK. The song you are referring to is the last song I saw PT play during their last tour, and for sure one of my most dearly loved songs. It has been for years. I envy everyone who can go, and I'm especially glad for the new fans who discovered that song when PT already weren't around anymore.
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Setlist looks ace.
Surprised to see several people going to Amsterdam here. I live in Amsterdam and love Steven Wilson, but will (unfortunately) sit this one out. Almost wrapped up my Master's degree (finally!), but I simply don't know where I will be in terms of financial state a couple of months from now, when all student benefits and the likes are gone. But in terms of awesome concerts, recent times have been really good, so I can't complain too much about missing something good.
Would be really cool if he manages to fill Afas live (god I hate that new name of the venue), because it holds 6000 people which would put him up there with many relatively known pop artists.
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Song #6 is a pretty big surprise. I didn't think SW rated that one that highly (even though it's excellent, it's very much a "lost" track and not one I expected him to play). Songs #13 and #17 should definitely get replaced by something else. They're good songs, but so overplayed by him at this point. Also, why is Harmony Korine appearing in every setlist? It seems to be the sole representation from Insurgentes each tour, and I can't figure out why. It's not like it was a hit or anything. I'll never understand why bands make the setlist choices they do...it's like they're scared to omit certain songs for whatever reason.
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I have never been a big fan of Harmony Korine (good song, but not even one of the best from that record), but I have to admit that when I saw SW on The Raven tour, that song kicked ass. The way it builds really gets the crowd going; I can see why he plays it at every show.
While I love his selection of PT songs, I was hoping he would have pulled out something rare from Stupid Dream or Lightbulb Sun. Oh well.
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Harmony Korine is a great song, but I think the title track from that album would work perfectly as a quiet part of the encore. There's something magical about it that would be ethereal in a live setting.
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Interesting change at the top of the set for the last couple of nights.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eQe0ZvzOwg
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Not too happy To The Bone has been dropped. It's my favorite of the album. I know that there will be changes before the tour hits the US but I would be disappointed if TTB was dropped at my show for Vermillioncore.
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I have never been a big fan of Harmony Korine (good song, but not even one of the best from that record), but I have to admit that when I saw SW on The Raven tour, that song kicked ass. The way it builds really gets the crowd going; I can see why he plays it at every show.
While I love his selection of PT songs, I was hoping he would have pulled out something rare from Stupid Dream or Lightbulb Sun. Oh well.
It's not the worst song ever, and I've enjoyed it live, but it only gets the crowd going because it's played often enough to elicit that kind of reaction. Remainder The Black Dog would get the same reaction if it was played as much. Not to go off on yet another setlist rant, but it bugs me so much that musicians lock themselves into playing certain songs throughout their entire career when they could constantly vary their song choices and have multiple energetic crowd songs to choose from. The man has basically given himself an entire second career with an ever-expanding catalog, yet he wastes valuable setlist space on songs people have seen him do a bunch of times already. And now a song from the new album that no one has heard live yet is already dropped from the setlist, yet HK survives. I hate everyone.
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It makes me think that To the Bone either wasn't working well live or the crowd wasn't digging it. If all you hear are crickets during your opener, I get changing it on the fly. Just speculation of course.
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You’re probably right. Though I actually think the amount of songs he is doing from TTB is actually a bit high for the first time through. Considering he usually does more than one leg in each area, he may want to save some of the new album for the next time around.
Nowhere Now seems like an odd song to open with so I’m guessing he may switch up the order a bit in the next few shows.
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I really think we can drop The Raven now, Steven...
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I really think we can drop The Raven now, Steven...
No, please don't.
Bring back To The Bone, drop Lazarus.
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It's a good song, it's just been in the set for what feels like forever. Due a rest.
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When I was at the Portland show for the HCE tour last year, he made the comment that he felt Raven was the greatest song he had ever written...so I doubt it’s going anywhere.
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Shame if that's the case, because To the Bone works fantastically as the opener of the album.
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Raven is his best song ever. Its so hauntingly beautiful and sad.
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It was the perfect closer when I saw Steven live. He might as well stick with it for a while, I wouldn't mind.
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He should never exclude Raven from any future sets. Beautiful everytime i hear it. I'd rather have Routine as well back in the set, same caliber qualitymusic to me.
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He should never exclude Raven from any future sets. Beautiful everytime i hear it. I'd rather have Routine as well back in the set, same caliber qualitymusic to me.
Raven should be played in every live show ever. Not even just Steven Wilson.
EVERY CONCERT EVER PLAYED BY ANYONE.
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It makes me think that To the Bone either wasn't working well live or the crowd wasn't digging it. If all you hear are crickets during your opener, I get changing it on the fly. Just speculation of course.
Craig confirmed this: https://mobile.twitter.com/craigblundell/status/960277240398393344?p=v
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putting together a good show is such delicate alchemy. I don't think we can fuly gauge, from out there in the stands, what really works or doesn't for the main artist standing there on stage doing the thing. Sure we have an experience, a point of view, but it's not the same.
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I really think we can drop The Raven now, Steven...
Yes, please.
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I'm in agreement with all who say that Raven should always be in the set, even JayOctavarium who said it should be played by everyone ever. :lol
Not understanding how after 2 shows To The Bone is designated "not a live track". They rehearsed it and opened 2 shows with it and just drop it? Has anyone heard it from the first 2 shows? I like Nowhere Now but that is a kind of an underwhelming opening song for a concert. Maybe stick To The Bone a little more back in the set, not open with it. I would much rather hear TTB as opposed to Song Of I or Refuge, but that's me. Vermillioncore doesn't excite me either, still 2.5 months until my show in PA, maybe some more changes are coming?
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It makes me think that To the Bone either wasn't working well live or the crowd wasn't digging it. If all you hear are crickets during your opener, I get changing it on the fly. Just speculation of course.
Craig confirmed this: https://mobile.twitter.com/craigblundell/status/960277240398393344?p=v
I feel smart. :lol :lol
It's a good song, it's just been in the set for what feels like forever. Due a rest.
Or, more accurately, only three tours now. :lol :lol
When I was at the Portland show for the HCE tour last year, he made the comment that he felt Raven was the greatest song he had ever written...so I doubt it’s going anywhere.
Let's hope not.
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I don't mind Raven live, but it's such a downer ending and would work better as the main set closer, while a more energetic (and less depressing lol) song at the end of the encore could send everybody home on a high note.
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I don't mind Raven live, but it's such a downer ending and would work better as the main set closer, while a more energetic (and less depressing lol) song at the end of the encore could send everybody home on a high note.
Bro, do you even Steven Wilson?
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I don't mind Raven live, but it's such a downer ending and would work better as the main set closer, while a more energetic (and less depressing lol) song at the end of the encore could send everybody home on a high note.
Bro, do you even Steven Wilson?
LOL so true. But I'm not sure I want to leave an SW show NOT having heard Lazarus. Such a beautiful song.
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I don't mind Raven live, but it's such a downer ending and would work better as the main set closer, while a more energetic (and less depressing lol) song at the end of the encore could send everybody home on a high note.
Bro, do you even Steven Wilson?
Oh sorry, I forgot every SW song ever was a slow and brooding ballad ::)
Seriously, a rocker like Harmony Korine or something from PT would be better as the very last song IMO.
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If you aren't depressed when leaving a SW show, you are doing it wrong :lol
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I don't mind Raven live, but it's such a downer ending and would work better as the main set closer, while a more energetic (and less depressing lol) song at the end of the encore could send everybody home on a high note.
Bro, do you even Steven Wilson?
Oh sorry, I forgot every SW song ever was a slow and brooding ballad ::)
Seriously, a rocker like Harmony Korine or something from PT would be better as the very last song IMO.
What show are you going to? I'm going to write Steven Wilson and have him play Raven, then Routine, and then Raven again for good measure. :p
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Why does it have to be a solo or PT number to close? Why not Bass Communion? :P
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What are the chances that Michael Åkerfeldt will guest in Stockholm for some Storm Corrosion?
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What show are you going to? I'm going to write Steven Wilson and have him play Raven, then Routine, and then Raven again for good measure. :p
Don't forget to have him play Feel So Low as well!
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What show are you going to? I'm going to write Steven Wilson and have him play Raven, then Routine, and then Raven again for good measure. :p
Don't forget to have him play Feel So Low as well!
Next tour setlist:
Drive Home
Pariah
Heartattack in a Layby
Collapse the Light into Earth
Refuge
Routine
Feel So Low
Stop Swimming
Happy Returns
The Raven
Free tissues at the door :P
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Next tour setlist:
Drive Home
Pariah
Heartattack in a Layby
Collapse the Light into Earth
Refuge
Routine
Feel So Low
Stop Swimming
Happy Returns
The Raven
Free tissues at the door :P
Sign. Me. Up.
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What are the chances that Michael Åkerfeldt will guest in Stockholm for some Storm Corrosion?
Zero. I’ve been to two different festivals in different years where both Opeth and Steven Wilson were playing (one time on the same day), hoping something like that would happen during one of the shows and it did not.
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I’ve been listening to Anesthetize a lot recently and I gotta say, I think it would be really cool to see him do The Pills In Me. I think it’s a great section and should be dusted off on one of these tours. I think the middle part is one of my favorite PT moments, it’s so moody.
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Next tour setlist:
Drive Home
Pariah
Heartattack in a Layby
Collapse the Light into Earth
Refuge
Routine
Feel So Low
Stop Swimming
Happy Returns
The Raven
Free tissues at the door :P
Sign. Me. Up.
You and me both. That would be an amazing set list.
I’ve been listening to Anesthetize a lot recently and I gotta say, I think it would be really cool to see him do The Pills In Me. I think it’s a great section and should be dusted off on one of these tours. I think the middle part is one of my favorite PT moments, it’s so moody.
Hasn't he done that section on one of his solo tours? I honestly cannot remember.
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Not that I can remember, although I could very well be mistaken
He did do the mashup of the first half of Russia on Ice leading into The Pills I'm taking on The Incident Tour in 2009/2010
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I saw them on the co-headlining thing they did with Coheed and Cambria and they did the middle section of Anesthetize on its own, IIRC. It rocked.
And while we can't ask for more since it did get featured heavily on two tours, it is a shame that Raider II will probably never be a song he plays live again with any regularity.
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Lucky for me I saw it played live. He'll have to bring it back at some point I'd guess.
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I saw The Raven tour, which featured, among others, every song from that album and a lot of songs from Grace for Drowning, including Raider II. And we were like 10 feet from the stage, dead center. Easily one of the best shows I have ever seen.
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Next tour setlist:
Drive Home
Pariah
Heartattack in a Layby
Collapse the Light into Earth
Refuge
Routine
Feel So Low
Stop Swimming
Happy Returns
The Raven
Free tissues at the door :P
Sign. Me. Up.
You had me at Stop Swimming.
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I saw The Raven tour, which featured, among others, every song from that album and a lot of songs from Grace for Drowning, including Raider II. And we were like 10 feet from the stage, dead center. Easily one of the best shows I have ever seen.
Absolutely. It was a top 5 show for me. I just won't tell you what row I was in. :lol
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What are the chances that Michael Åkerfeldt will guest in Stockholm for some Storm Corrosion?
Zero. I’ve been to two different festivals in different years where both Opeth and Steven Wilson were playing (one time on the same day), hoping something like that would happen during one of the shows and it did not.
I would say it's better than zero since there's a precedent: 28/9/2015.
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I have no idea what that means.
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They played Drag Ropes twice.
Once in the date he listed, and again in 2016. At least that's what I found in a five minute quick scouring of the net. One song a total of two times. Precedent? Sure. Chances? Maybe not zero, but I wouldn't bet on it.
I'd absolutely love for something to happen though. It's still my favorite collaboration of all time and my favorite late-night twisted ambiance.
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Drag Ropes was played a total of 25 times: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/storm-corrosion-23d164a7.html?song=Drag+Ropes I was at one of those shows and it was awesome ;D I doubt he'll do it on this tour, though.
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I will hold out hope until after the show...
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Drag Ropes was played a total of 25 times: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/storm-corrosion-23d164a7.html?song=Drag+Ropes I was at one of those shows and it was awesome ;D I doubt he'll do it on this tour, though.
I doubt he'll play it, too, never mind with Akerfeldt in tow which was the original question.
To those curious, the point about the specific date I mentioned is that it was performed with Akerfeldt, hence the ever-so-slightly greater than zero chance Akerfeldt will guest and they'll play it again ;)
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Well Stockholm is on monday and London on tuesday, wednesday and thursday.
He will have guests in London. Maybe Åkerfelld.... and why not do a "rehersal" in Michaels hometown Stockholm the day before.
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What's this thing with 'guests' in London?
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What's this thing with 'guests' in London?
I read somewhere that SW said there will be different guests and different setlist every night in London.
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Drag Ropes was played a total of 25 times: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/storm-corrosion-23d164a7.html?song=Drag+Ropes I was at one of those shows and it was awesome ;D I doubt he'll do it on this tour, though.
I doubt he'll play it, too, never mind with Akerfeldt in tow which was the original question.
To those curious, the point about the specific date I mentioned is that it was performed with Akerfeldt, hence the ever-so-slightly greater than zero chance Akerfeldt will guest and they'll play it again ;)
What the fuck, I just suck at looking shit up whether it's on the forum or the net. :lol
A little more hopeful but yeah, I'm not going to go to a show and actually expect to see it; that's just inviting disappointment.
I mean, at least it's more than what we originally got, which was "this will never be played live". Though to be fair, I'm pretty sure Wilson was referring to the album in its entirety, or a tour based around the album. At the very least though, I would absolutely go bananas over another studio album in this vein. It's the perfect time too given that Akerfeldt seems to be in limbo in his own career (creatively, at least) and Wilson is still doing much of the same kind of music he did when Storm Corrosion initially released.
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I am not sure I agree with that. To the Bone doesn't sound that much like Storm Corrosion or Grace for Drowning (its SW solo album counterpart).
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What's this thing with 'guests' in London?
I read somewhere that SW said there will be different guests and different setlist every night in London.
Ohhh, did he say that? I mean I figured he would be mixing it up to a certain point but was expecting a lot of the same stuff. I can't fucking wait regardless!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5E3_J7W5ZU
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Through Reddit, I find myself today on the Wikipedia page for "Brainfuck", an esoteric programming language. The Wikipedia page says at the top "Not to be confused with Brain Fuck Scheduler or Mindfuck", so of course I click on Mindfuck. The third entry on that page:
"Incredible Expanding Mindfuck, an experimental music group founded by Steven Wilson"
Steven is everywhere.
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:lol :lol :tup :tup
BTW, are the three To the Bone bonus tracks available anywhere? A buddy of mine got the Blu-ray with the 5.1 finally and was shocked that they weren't on there.
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"Incredible Expanding Mindfuck, an experimental music group founded by Steven Wilson"
Fantastic band name.
:metal :natalieportman: :metal :natalieportman: :metal
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:lol :lol :tup :tup
BTW, are the three To the Bone bonus tracks available anywhere? A buddy of mine got the Blu-ray with the 5.1 finally and was shocked that they weren't on there.
What 3 bonus tracks?
You mean the TTB demo's with the songs that didn't make the final cut?
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:lol :lol :tup :tup
BTW, are the three To the Bone bonus tracks available anywhere? A buddy of mine got the Blu-ray with the 5.1 finally and was shocked that they weren't on there.
I think they were only on a bonus disc that came with the big special 'book' edition, but I could be wrong about that
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Yeah their is a bonus disc of demo's of which was only available in the long sold out ultra deluxe edition.
The three songs in question are;
Ask Me Nicely
A Door Marked Summer
Northern Cyclonic
The rest of the demo disc songs made it to the actual album.
There is also another song which was only issued on 7" vinyl as part of the above mentioned edition called, 'Antisocial' (instrumental)
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We're into the penultimate round of The Wilson Cup group stage over at Polls and Survivors now. Still 10 places up for grabs in the knockout stage.
Voting is underway in Groups A & B (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51868.0).
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:lol :lol :tup :tup
BTW, are the three To the Bone bonus tracks available anywhere? A buddy of mine got the Blu-ray with the 5.1 finally and was shocked that they weren't on there.
What 3 bonus tracks?
You mean the TTB demo's with the songs that didn't make the final cut?
Yes.
I think they were only on a bonus disc that came with the big special 'book' edition, but I could be wrong about that
Hmmm, that is disappointing. I like all three songs a lot.
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:lol :lol :tup :tup
BTW, are the three To the Bone bonus tracks available anywhere? A buddy of mine got the Blu-ray with the 5.1 finally and was shocked that they weren't on there.
What 3 bonus tracks?
You mean the TTB demo's with the songs that didn't make the final cut?
Yes.
I think they were only on a bonus disc that came with the big special 'book' edition, but I could be wrong about that
Hmmm, that is disappointing. I like all three songs a lot.
I'm pretty sure they were on the deluxe book edition as well, as was the case with his previous two albums - HCE had some non-album tracks and demos (with slightly different arrangements) on its bonus disc, and Raven had one demo that didn't make the final album (an unused idea titled "Clock Song").
Of the five (yes, five, if you count "Ask Me Nicely (Intro)" as a separate track, even though it's just the first bit of "Ask Me Nicely" mixed differently) non-album tracks from TTB, I'd say "Antisocial" is one of my faves, mostly because it works so well as a prelude to "People Who Eat Darkness". I'm not sure where "Antisocial" was released though, as it wasn't included on the Deluxe Bonus Disc like the other four tracks.
-Marc.
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People Who Eat Darkness remains one of my favorites. That totally could have been on one of the 00's PT albums.
Having revisited the whole album recently, it is pretty great. Even if it not one of his best (which is a tough nut to crack), it is still very worthy.
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:lol :lol :tup :tup
BTW, are the three To the Bone bonus tracks available anywhere? A buddy of mine got the Blu-ray with the 5.1 finally and was shocked that they weren't on there.
What 3 bonus tracks?
You mean the TTB demo's with the songs that didn't make the final cut?
Yes.
I think they were only on a bonus disc that came with the big special 'book' edition, but I could be wrong about that
Hmmm, that is disappointing. I like all three songs a lot.
I'm pretty sure they were on the deluxe book edition as well, as was the case with his previous two albums - HCE had some non-album tracks and demos (with slightly different arrangements) on its bonus disc, and Raven had one demo that didn't make the final album (an unused idea titled "Clock Song").
Of the five (yes, five, if you count "Ask Me Nicely (Intro)" as a separate track, even though it's just the first bit of "Ask Me Nicely" mixed differently) non-album tracks from TTB, I'd say "Antisocial" is one of my faves, mostly because it works so well as a prelude to "People Who Eat Darkness". I'm not sure where "Antisocial" was released though, as it wasn't included on the Deluxe Bonus Disc like the other four tracks.
-Marc.
Obviously no one is reading my posts, re Antisocial, same page 3 posts above yours ;D
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Quick plug:
The knockout stage of The Wilson Cup has begun over at Polls & Survivors, with the Round of 16.
Go and vote here! (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51933.0)
Plug over.
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I was in Vienna for the Steven concert. My friend and I stood outside in the snow storm for more than three hours but we were the first ones inside. It was totally worth it.
Steven was in very good mood, Nick is awesome as always (also what a good looking dude), the new guitarist Alex is no Guthrie but he is very good, he has great stage presence and is having a blast! I was, however, completely blown away by Craig Blundell, man what a MONSTER!!! I already saw him with the David Cross Band last year at the Loreley, where he was magnificent too, BUT DAMMMMNNNNN HE WAS AWESOME in Vienna!!
I don't want to spoil the Setlist for anyone who still wants to go, but let me tell you that it is good. VERY GOOD.
If you haven't planned already to see this show, you should do it!
Oh I forgot: I listened to Storm Corrosion yesterday, first time since 2012 and second time overall. I had listened to it when it came out and remembered it as extremely boring. But now I find it pretty awesome. What do you guys think?
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Oh I forgot: I listened to Storm Corrosion yesterday, first time since 2012 and second time overall. I had listened to it when it came out and remembered it as extremely boring. But now I find it pretty awesome. What do you guys think?
Haunting. And truly unique. No other album like it. One of those albums you have to be in the right frame of mind to listen to.
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Spoiler ahead....
I saw him yesterday in Hamburg, at the Mehr Theater. The concert was sold out and today is another concert here, quite an archievement - I bet that must be about 8000 people alone here in Hamburg.
The concert was absolutely fantastic. He played about 2.40 hrs PLUS intermisson. When I saw Roger Waters on his "The Wall Tour", I was amazed about the surround sound in a concert setting. Yesterday was my second concert with surround sound, and it blew my mind. The sound was absolutely amazing from the first second. I saw DT at the same place... DT really should hire Steven's soundguy!
When I first listened to the new record, it really didn't click with me. A couple of good tracks, Pariah for instance is one of the best things he has ever done in my opinion. But really some mediocre stuff as well, well at least for me. However, in the live setting some song really began to shine. Refugee would be the best example. The drummer really killed that one...
Here are a couple of tracks I recorded (Harmony Korine, The raven..., Heartattack in a layby, Pariah). If you have the chance to see this tour - go out and see one of the leading artists in the Prog scene right now. And a fun guy too... His speech before Permanating and how this one splits his fanscene was really funny.
https://youtu.be/7H8PecKAcCs (https://youtu.be/7H8PecKAcCs)
https://youtu.be/VXGnvw-IiIg (https://youtu.be/VXGnvw-IiIg)
https://youtu.be/8_viFBSj-pw (https://youtu.be/8_viFBSj-pw)
https://youtu.be/KMHQgMcDi5w (https://youtu.be/KMHQgMcDi5w)
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seeing him in Amsterdam in about 2 weeks! :)
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Seeing him in Stockholm on monday.... can't wait
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Spoiler ahead....
I saw him yesterday in Hamburg, at the Mehr Theater. The concert was sold out and today is another concert here, quite an archievement - I bet that must be about 8000 people alone here in Hamburg.
The concert was absolutely fantastic. He played about 2.40 hrs PLUS intermisson. When I saw Roger Waters on his "The Wall Tour", I was amazed about the surround sound in a concert setting. Yesterday was my second concert with surround sound, and it blew my mind. The sound was absolutely amazing from the first second. I saw DT at the same place... DT really should hire Steven's soundguy!
When I first listened to the new record, it really didn't click with me. A couple of good tracks, Pariah for instance is one of the best things he has ever done in my opinion. But really some mediocre stuff as well, well at least for me. However, in the live setting some song really began to shine. Refugee would be the best example. The drummer really killed that one...
Here are a couple of tracks I recorded (Harmony Korine, The raven..., Heartattack in a layby, Pariah). If you have the chance to see this tour - go out and see one of the leading artists in the Prog scene right now. And a fun guy too... His speech before Permanating and how this one splits his fanscene was really funny.
https://youtu.be/7H8PecKAcCs (https://youtu.be/7H8PecKAcCs)
https://youtu.be/VXGnvw-IiIg (https://youtu.be/VXGnvw-IiIg)
https://youtu.be/8_viFBSj-pw (https://youtu.be/8_viFBSj-pw)
https://youtu.be/KMHQgMcDi5w (https://youtu.be/KMHQgMcDi5w)
Thanks for this great review. I am seeing him in April. How did "Nowhere Now" go over as an opening song? I am disappointed To The Bone got scratched from the setlist.
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Last night had a different set though, with To The Bone as an opener :coolio
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Wow, that's quite a different setlist than he had been doing. I anticipate it will keep evolving.
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Quite the setlist that is...I'd like to hear the cover.
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Wow, that's quite a different setlist than he had been doing. I anticipate it will keep evolving.
It's only different because it was the second night at the same venue - I suspect the standard set will be played in most cities.
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Damn, that's a way better set imo.
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Wow! That is one fabulous second set! :o
Makes me even more excited for the three nights at the Royal Albert Hall :biggrin:
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I would have rather seen How Is Your Life Today than Stevens sloppy Even Less :D (Only weak spot of the show)
But apart from that, I liked the setlist I saw in Vienna better. Arriving Somewhere was awesome.
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Today I suddenly remembered that we're approaching the 5th anniversary of The Raven That Refused to Sing being released, and it turns out that 25 February (this coming Sunday) is the day. Just a heads-up.
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Time really does fly. Hard to believe it has been five years already. :eek :eek
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It's crazy when you realize albums you love were released 5, 10, 15+ years ago and you remember them coming out like it was yesterday.
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Happy 5th Anniversary to The Raven That Refused to Sing!
I still remember hearing the album for the first time. Drive Home just floored me. Still probably my favourite SW song.
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Drive home top 3, if not favorite SW song. Guthrie really shines in that song and brings it to a new level.
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Last night in Helsinki rocked :metal Spoilers ahead...
Steven fucked up the first verse of Even Less... twice :lol First the chords sounded a bit sloppy and he started again, and then he started singing the lyrics of the second verse after the first line before realizing his mistake and cutting it off. He started again when someone shouted the correct line and the lyrics came back into his head. Afterwards Steven admitted that he always gives the guys in the band a hard time if they screw up, but now he deserved their scorn for forgetting his own song. :D
As for the rest of the show, the setlist was awesome (Arriving = awesomesauce) and had a great pacing, with the exception of starting with Nowhere Now, which didn't strike me as an opener at all. Craig's playing really amazed me - what a beast of a drummer! :hefdaddy I'd seen him with SW once before, but he's more at home in the band now. Hopefully next time Ninet will join the Euro tour, would love to hear her vocals live.
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They probably don't want to juggle around what was probably a well crafted set list around too much after dropping To the Bone from most shows (I think it has been played once or twice since being dropped after the first two shows), but People Who Eat Darkness seems like a natural opener. Hit fans with that riff to start to the show, and then, bam, when the second verse kicks in and the song really gets going, you are off to the races. :coolio
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I saw that he did Routine during one of the shows. Wish he still would have done Heart Attack in a Layby, that would have been quite the sad set :lol
I love those two tracks
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They probably don't want to juggle around what was probably a well crafted set list around too much after dropping To the Bone from most shows (I think it has been played once or twice since being dropped after the first two shows), but People Who Eat Darkness seems like a natural opener. Hit fans with that riff to start to the show, and then, bam, when the second verse kicks in and the song really gets going, you are off to the races. :coolio
I agree, that would be a great opener, better than (IMO) Nowhere Now.
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bump.
special Record Store Day item
https://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/10212
How the Big Space
12" featuring an unreleased exclusive b-side "How Big The Space" plus an instrumental of the same and a new version of "People Who Eat Darkness" from Steven's latest studio album "To the Bone", this new version with Ninet Tayb's vocals up in the mix. On dark blue vinyl.
A1: How Big The Space? A2: How Big The Space? (Instrumental)
B2: People Who Eat Darkness (featuring Ninet Tayeb)
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I'm sure I will get that. But I would rather have the 3 To The Bone bonus tracks on vinyl...
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just got back from the concert in amsterdam. Fucking brilliant!
Steven had some nice banter in between songs here and there, production was a big step up from the Hand cannot erase tour. Really well done.
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Dilemma, should I go see Steven on the 22nd?
This is probably pointless as most of you are probably going to say "Go!". He's playing about an hour and a half drive away from me and I'm not working. I'm a fairly new fan and I'm not obsessed with him or anything. I really enjoy his latest and have listened to all but one of his solo albums. I do enjoy his latest most (Which is good if he's playing a lot off it on this tour. I'll check setlist.fm).
I know he's playing PT songs as well but I'm only a casual fan of theirs, also. Normally I'd just go but the ticket prices are a lot steeper than most shows I go to. I know he's good live and that's making me tempted to go to a show that I normally wouldn't pay this price for, unless I loved the band.
So yea, I'm going to try and get as cheap a ticket as I can...
Discuss
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I haven't LOVED the last few of his albums as much as previous ones but I would say go see him. He puts up a great show and the visual element of his show makes it a cut above most shows you'll see. It's one of those cases where you gotta see him once, and then you'll most likely continue to see him every time he plays near you.
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Go!
Saw him yesterday in a sold out ex-Heineken Music Hall. Best live sound I have ever heard. The setlist was awesome and Steven and his band put on a great show. If you’re only a casual fan, I bet it would be a great introduction to his music. For me it was definitely worth the money and the evening!
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Zantera and Elite pretty much summed up my Steven Wilson experiences.
Not a big fan of the last album but I'm looking forward to the Phoenix show later in the US leg of the tour. Wilson and crew do not disappoint at all. Great visuals, great musicianship, great music. You see him live once, and you pretty much keep going back to his shows.
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yeah i've maybe listened to the new albums 3 times or so on youtube in total, but live it's a whole other experience with the video and quadrophonic sound.
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Tickets are £30 on stubhub. I might just go on my own as none of my friends really have a clue who Steven Wilson is and my girlfriend automatically hates any music I like, before even giving it a chance :yeahright
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Tickets are £30 on stubhub. I might just go on my own as none of my friends really have a clue who Steven Wilson is and my girlfriend automatically hates any music I like, before even giving it a chance :yeahright
Which venue are you considering? Of the upcoming UK tour, we've seen Steven Wilson at the Bridgewater Hall and the Royal Albert Hall previously. Both venues were fantastic for his music. I particularly love being able to sit down and listen, just... listen... and take it all in. If you're looking for a show where you can bob around and end up wearing Tuborg, this won't be it (not saying you are, just making the distinction!).
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Tickets are £30 on stubhub. I might just go on my own as none of my friends really have a clue who Steven Wilson is and my girlfriend automatically hates any music I like, before even giving it a chance :yeahright
Which venue are you considering? Of the upcoming UK tour, we've seen Steven Wilson at the Bridgewater Hall and the Royal Albert Hall previously. Both venues were fantastic for his music. I particularly love being able to sit down and listen, just... listen... and take it all in. If you're looking for a show where you can bob around and end up wearing Tuborg, this won't be it (not saying you are, just making the distinction!).
It's the Birmingham show I'm looking at. I'm fully aware it's a seated show but thanks. I do normally like to be in the crowd at most gigs but this is the sort of gig when I don't mind just sitting down and appreciating the music. I'm really in two minds but I do want to go. I think I'll make a Spotify playlist of the setlist he is playing at the moment and get to know the songs I don't know so well, then maybe it'll sway me.
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don't spoil the setlist for yourself :biggrin:
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I'd just get more familiar with the In Absentia and Deadwing albums before the gig since he'll play some songs from those :P
Also, Steven is back to destroying iPods :metal
https://youtu.be/MYVRHbu7mwo?t=15m18s (https://youtu.be/MYVRHbu7mwo?t=15m18s)
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what the hell
Also, that’s a major spoiler in your post!
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I mean, he's been posting about it for a while but fair, fixed :P
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As usual, great interview. His approach to and outlook on music is so awesome. :coolio :hat
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Also, don't know if it was posted here but last year he did an interview and part of it was about why PT ended. Some good reasons here.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/steven_wilson_why_i_ended_porcupine_tree.html
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/steven_wilson_the_chances_of_porcupine_tree_reunion_are_zero.html
Not even gonna ressurect the PT thread for this, but here's just one more "last nail". :lol
I'm not too broken up about it at this point, as it's been accepted and I love Wilson's music no matter what (for the most part, though it wanes every now and again with the overly melancholic shit). But pour one out for the PT homies, cause it's truly (this time TRULY truly) done and done. Even though it's been done and done. I'd love to say maybe now people will stop theorizing about it but...nope. It'll still happen. :police:
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/steven_wilson_the_chances_of_porcupine_tree_reunion_are_zero.html
Not even gonna ressurect the PT thread for this, but here's just one more "last nail". :lol
I'm not too broken up about it at this point, as it's been accepted and I love Wilson's music no matter what (for the most part, though it wanes every now and again with the overly melancholic shit). But pour one out for the PT homies, cause it's truly (this time TRULY truly) done and done. Even though it's been done and done. I'd love to say maybe now people will stop theorizing about it but...nope. It'll still happen. :police:
I guess Peter Gabriel joining Genesis or Jon Anderson joining Yes are now more likely than a Porcupine Tree Reunion... :rollin
-Marc.
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How many 'last nails' in the coffin do people need before they realise that this is simply not happening?
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How many 'last nails' in the coffin do people need before they realise that this is simply not happening?
There is still hope as long as there is still wood left in the coffin... ;)
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Steven's local show is on my radar, but it is sold out. Tickets on the secondary market now over 100 bucks. Just not worth it to me. If I can score a ticket a few days prior at half that, I'll go, if not, boooooo.
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How many 'last nails' in the coffin do people need before they realise that this is simply not happening?
Oh I have absolutely no doubt that some of the more cult-ish rabid fans will pine for it and somehow divert his answer. He may not get as many questions during interviews and such after such a definitive answer (and to be fair, while he's made it pretty clear in the past, he hasn't been so resolute and downright assured as he was in this answer in the way that he answered).
But yeah it'll never be truly finished. :millahhhh
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re: PT and "last nails in the coffin."
>>>>Is that pretty much Steven's answer to the question of PT reuniting? The "no, because I look forward, not backward" line? Or has he ever given another reason.
Because as much as I respect that from an artistic point of view, it seems awfully weird to shut down a band that had become big and was getting bigger, just because...no reason.
My guess is, Steven realized that he could probably play the same places as PT on his own (after a few albums, which he has done), and instead of having to be in a band situation, he could just call all the shots and not worry about anyone else. I don't know what PT's business affairs looked like, but I always assumed it was a "band" in name only. I figured Steven was the sole owner of the band and all its stuff, and the other guys were just hired hands.
And if that was indeed the case, then it made little sense to me to fold up that band and go "solo," if PT was his baby anyway. I do know he let the other guys swing the direction of PT creatively, and maybe he hated that. But ya know, I just can't shake the feeling there is something more behind the decision to shut down PT...other than "hey, I look forward, not backward."
While I can understand it to a degree, I can't help but think it really hurt the careers of the other guys in PT.
Anyone who has followed SW and PT intently over the years have any insight? I just got the official PT biography written by Rich Wilson, but I haven't opened it yet (this weekend).
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I read in a separate interview something to the effect of that he knew some of the guys wouldn't be interested in some of the directions he wanted to take his music, I guess from prior conversations, and he didn't want anybody to be in a place where they were out on stage every night playing material they resented or didn't like. So he decided to just pull the plug and do something where he had 100% control of the creative direction.
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I wouldn't call this the "last nail in the coffin", because SW seems to change his mind about PT all the time - first he's saying it's dead and buried, then half a year later he'll state that he's not ruling out a reunion. I think he's just tired of answering PT questions when his solo career is flourishing and more successful than ever.
In Rich Wilson's book it was mentioned that according to some insiders the guys had a fight right before going on stage at the Royal Albert Hall in 2010, and some of them haven't spoken to each other since that last show. The break wasn't caused by this though, but it was rather a consequence of the Incident tour being too long and exhausting everybody, and Tim Bowness, John Wesley and the former Roadrunner boss all believe that the band will get back together at some point. However, there's also a lot of stuff in the book that makes it clear that SW is a solo artist at heart - he's described as a person who wants to avoid conflicts as much as possible, and it's said that a lot of the songs where another band member had a cowriting credit were basically born when they gave SW a musical idea, and he went and wrote a song around it, rather than sitting down to jam and collaborate.
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The Raven That Refused to Sing is the best song Steven Wilson has ever written and one of the best songs anyone has ever written. That is all.
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Not surprised about the PT news, still bummed it won't happen because there was something special there that IMO hasn't been captured in any of his other projects
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I suppose, as long as SW is alive, there's always the chance a reunion/reformation of PT could happen. And it doesn't necessarily have to involve Edwin, Harrison/Maitland and/or Barbieri. Although it would seem like nothing more than a cashgrab/appeasement measure now. I feel like PT got as far as it was ever going to go, maybe even one album too far with The Incident, as much as I enjoy that album.
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I hope whoever booked Steven to play the Belfast students' union on St Patrick's Day got a stern talking to. One of the most WTF bookings I've ever heard of; that music being played to a bunch of hammered students? Strange
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Even though their histories and band dynamics were very different, just like Peter Gabriel was often asked about Genesis for decades, Steven Wilson will probably always get asked about Porcupine Tree. Amazing how some interviewers can't help but get stuck in the past.
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The "i never go backwards i go forward" statement feels strange considering SW has gone back to Blackfield and No-Man and done albums/live shows after kinda dropping out to focus more on PT/Solo stuff.
For a while he used the "I couldn't have made the music I make now with PT" argument, which was fine for Grace/Raven but then he kinda went back for a sound that was closer to PT anyways, so it feels clear that something went sour between him and some of the other guys. Whether SW is hard to work with or he just doesn't have interest in keeping the same people around for too long (cause then he gets trapped) is another question.
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By backwards I think he feels that PT didn't give him the variety or choice to change what style of music he wants to make at that time.
At least, that's what he thinks. Here he can work with whoever he wants to work with using their strengths in a certain style of music "he" wants to make. He's not limited by a musician that can branch out into different styles.
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I honestly thought he just wanted to call all the shots like his side projects whereas PT seemed more like a band than anything else he has done.
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Per Wilson's Facebook:
Tomorrow myself and the band play the first of 3 nights at what is probably my favourite venue in the world, The Royal Albert Hall in London. I know many of you are coming along to one or more nights, and in some cases travelling in from abroad, so I welcome everyone and hope you will enjoy the experience as much as I plan to! It's nearly always magical at the Royal Albert Hall.
Although all nights will be centred around the current To the Bone show, each will also have exclusive content. The first night (Tuesday) will be essentially a presentation of the show we've been doing across Europe for the last 8 weeks or so, but will include a live premiere of a song with a brand new beautiful animated video by Jess Cope, and one or two other surprises. The second night will delve more into my back catalogue, including a performance of most of Hand. Cannot. Erase, and an opening "unplugged" set where I'll be playing a few older songs either in solo or duo (with Adam on piano) format.
The final night is in many ways the most exciting for me, because the big news is that we are filming it for a blu-ray/DVD release. As I've constantly wanted to raise the bar in terms of the production levels in the show itself, so it is with the way we are going to film this show, I want to create something that captures as much of the spectacle and immersive aspects of the show as possible. We also have my former band-mate from the Porcupine Tree days Richard Barbieri doing an opening set on this evening, and it would seem rude to not get together to do at least one old PT song! We’ve just released the last few production seat tickets and as we’re filming it would be great to have a completely full house, so if you haven’t got a ticket for this show, please come along, make some noise, and be in my video!
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Fuck yeah :2metal:
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And About To crash is there for the show. Lucky girl.
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Would of preferred for Wilson to have filmed an HCE show than a To The Bone show. Maybe he will play both albums completely, which I highly doubt.
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lmao awesome!
"Fuck that shit, I'm not doing PT again!"
"YO RICHARD!" :lol :corn
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Awesome news!
Since there hasn't been a full concert release since the GfD tour, hopefully the 3rd night has a lot from the last three albums, not just To the Bone. They all need representation! :coolio
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A DVD/Bluray gig with Richard making an appearance? I'm down with that :2metal: I hope the show will be a combination of the TTB and HCE sets.
lmao awesome!
"Fuck that shit, I'm not doing PT again!"
"YO RICHARD!" :lol :corn
Don't forget:
"A concert film? Meh."
"Royal Albert Hall, let's film this shit!"
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Great news about the filming..... need this tour on BR
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I have two spare tickets for Thursday night, if anyone's interested. It's the first two seats in a loggia box. (Partner and I purchased at the same time due to initial lack of availability regarding the first two nights.)
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This whole recalling previous statements thing is absolute rubbish! SW has just as much right to change his mind on things as any of us have. It should never be a case of once you say something you are committed to it for life and can never ever do anything even remotely against that. Give the guy a break, for crying out loud!
I'm sure these gigs will be truly memorable occasions for all involved. Playing the Albert Hall is a pinnacle in one's career. I hope anyone here attending has the most fantastic evening(s), with memories to last a lifetime.
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This whole recalling previous statements thing is absolute rubbish! SW has just as much right to change his mind on things as any of us have. It should never be a case of once you say something you are committed to it for life and can never ever do anything even remotely against that. Give the guy a break, for crying out loud!
Bang on.
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Exciting news about the recording for a future BD/DVD release! I hope we get a couple songs from each of his albums that haven't been recorded on video yet, with a good focus on his last two. It would be nice if he recorded all 3 nights, but would be expensive I'm sure.
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Excellent news. Can't wait for the release. Can't make it to any of the US shows this tour so a Blu-ray release is most welcome.
Also as an aside I picked up PT arriving somewhere on Blu-ray. They just had a release where it comes with 2 CD and photobook. There's apparently no remaster of the sound which is fine by me. The original mix was amazing. So this is an upgrade to the video and a beefier version of the audio. Should be a fun listen.
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I'm very happy with this show release, since probably it won't be possible to see the São Paulo show, and even happier that Steven Wilson can change his mind about some things (maybe about Porcupine Tree in the future?)
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I enjoy SW's solo material more and more with each album he puts out so I'm very excited for this Blu-ray.
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Excellent news. Can't wait for the release. Can't make it to any of the US shows this tour so a Blu-ray release is most welcome.
Also as an aside I picked up PT arriving somewhere on Blu-ray. They just had a release where it comes with 2 CD and photobook. There's apparently no remaster of the sound which is fine by me. The original mix was amazing. So this is an upgrade to the video and a beefier version of the audio. Should be a fun listen.
I thought it was remastered. That's what the Burning Shed website says. I did pick it up as well.
Also, BS just reprinted and released the HCE and Grace for Drowning Blu rays again.
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It's on Steven Wilson's Facebook page regarding the new issue being the same mix.
Steven Wilson
February 6 at 4:22pm ·
A new edition of Porcupine Tree's first concert film "Arriving Somewhere" will be released by Kscope as a 3 disc Blu-Ray / 2 CD combo on 23rd March. Filmed across 2 nights in Chicago and originally issued as a double DVD set in 2006, Arriving Somewhere wasn't shot in high-definition so the transfer to blu-ray here is more for convenience, containing as it does all the contents from both DVDs. Contrary to record company promotion which claims I have remastered it, the audio uses the original Darcy Proper master for both the stereo and 5.1 (which sounds great, Darcy did a great job in 2006). The main changes are that for the first time the concert audio has been included on 2 CDs, and the cover image has been revised. The release coincides with the forthcoming vinyl reissues of 2 of the Porcupine Tree's signature albums In Absentia (2002) and Deadwing (2005), from which a lot of the repertoire in the concert film is taken.
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It's on Steven Wilson's Facebook page regarding the new issue being the same mix.
Steven Wilson
February 6 at 4:22pm ·
A new edition of Porcupine Tree's first concert film "Arriving Somewhere" will be released by Kscope as a 3 disc Blu-Ray / 2 CD combo on 23rd March. Filmed across 2 nights in Chicago and originally issued as a double DVD set in 2006, Arriving Somewhere wasn't shot in high-definition so the transfer to blu-ray here is more for convenience, containing as it does all the contents from both DVDs. Contrary to record company promotion which claims I have remastered it, the audio uses the original Darcy Proper master for both the stereo and 5.1 (which sounds great, Darcy did a great job in 2006). The main changes are that for the first time the concert audio has been included on 2 CDs, and the cover image has been revised. The release coincides with the forthcoming vinyl reissues of 2 of the Porcupine Tree's signature albums In Absentia (2002) and Deadwing (2005), from which a lot of the repertoire in the concert film is taken.
Huh. Interesting...Thanks for the clarification. I did like the original mix a lot. Very punchy.
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This whole recalling previous statements thing is absolute rubbish! SW has just as much right to change his mind on things as any of us have. It should never be a case of once you say something you are committed to it for life and can never ever do anything even remotely against that. Give the guy a break, for crying out loud!
Relax, it was a joke :) (at least on my part)
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It's on Steven Wilson's Facebook page regarding the new issue being the same mix.
Steven Wilson
February 6 at 4:22pm ·
A new edition of Porcupine Tree's first concert film "Arriving Somewhere" will be released by Kscope as a 3 disc Blu-Ray / 2 CD combo on 23rd March. Filmed across 2 nights in Chicago and originally issued as a double DVD set in 2006, Arriving Somewhere wasn't shot in high-definition so the transfer to blu-ray here is more for convenience, containing as it does all the contents from both DVDs. Contrary to record company promotion which claims I have remastered it, the audio uses the original Darcy Proper master for both the stereo and 5.1 (which sounds great, Darcy did a great job in 2006). The main changes are that for the first time the concert audio has been included on 2 CDs, and the cover image has been revised. The release coincides with the forthcoming vinyl reissues of 2 of the Porcupine Tree's signature albums In Absentia (2002) and Deadwing (2005), from which a lot of the repertoire in the concert film is taken.
Huh. Interesting...Thanks for the clarification. I did like the original mix a lot. Very punchy.
As did I, so I am glad. I pre-ordered this and sold the DVDs. Having this as a big package with the CDs is perfect.
>>>>Been reading Rich Wilson's biography on PT. Good stuff so far.
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One of the other live releases, from a production point of view, that I enjoy a lot from PT is the Live in Atlanta from the FOABP. This show sounds very raw and energetic. Same goes for that fan club cd "ilosaarirock" that was released during that time as well. I enjoy them more than Anesthetize, which sounds a bit overly produced in my opinion.
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One of the other live releases, from a production point of view, that I enjoy a lot from PT is the Live in Atlanta from the FOABP. This show sounds very raw and energetic. Same goes for that fan club cd "ilosaarirock" that was released during that time as well. I enjoy them more than Anesthetize, which sounds a bit overly produced in my opinion.
Are those available anywhere? I don't own them, and probably should.
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One of the other live releases, from a production point of view, that I enjoy a lot from PT is the Live in Atlanta from the FOABP. This show sounds very raw and energetic. Same goes for that fan club cd "ilosaarirock" that was released during that time as well. I enjoy them more than Anesthetize, which sounds a bit overly produced in my opinion.
Are those available anywhere? I don't own them, and probably should.
Here's the Burning Shed link for Live in Atlanta, and Rockpalast (which is from the Deadwing tour). The fan club CD is out of print and wasn't released as a download.
https://burningshed.com/store/porcupinetree/porcupinetree_downloads
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Much appreciated. Thank you!
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Nick Beggs is ready for tonight's 1st show in the RAH :D
https://twitter.com/NickBeggs/status/978680622930628608
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No filming going on here tonight as far as I can tell (I think someone wondered if there would be), looks like it'll just be Thursday.
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This whole recalling previous statements thing is absolute rubbish! SW has just as much right to change his mind on things as any of us have. It should never be a case of once you say something you are committed to it for life and can never ever do anything even remotely against that. Give the guy a break, for crying out loud!
Relax, it was a joke :) (at least on my part)
Fair enough, but many people do this deadly seriously, and it's a ridiculous trait of the times we live in.
No filming going on here tonight as far as I can tell (I think someone wondered if there would be), looks like it'll just be Thursday.
The final paragraph of SW's Facebook statement says...
Per Wilson's Facebook:
The final night is in many ways the most exciting for me, because the big news is that we are filming it for a blu-ray/DVD release. As I've constantly wanted to raise the bar in terms of the production levels in the show itself, so it is with the way we are going to film this show, I want to create something that captures as much of the spectacle and immersive aspects of the show as possible. We also have my former band-mate from the Porcupine Tree days Richard Barbieri doing an opening set on this evening, and it would seem rude to not get together to do at least one old PT song! We’ve just released the last few production seat tickets and as we’re filming it would be great to have a completely full house, so if you haven’t got a ticket for this show, please come along, make some noise, and be in my video!
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Yes, I know he's filming on the third night. Someone earlier in the thread wondered if they might have cameras around the other RAH nights. Was just advising there aren't any.
Aside from that, the moaning about the new guitarist is so utterly unjustified. He's been incredible to this point (intermission).
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Meanwhile, I'm currently swaying along to the awesome jam session at the end of Detonation. This is a serious contender to knock off Drive Home as my favourite SW song. The atmosphere and drive of Detonation (no pun intended) is just extraordinary. I love everything about it, but the keyboards in that closing instrumental really take it to another level, in terms of atmosphere.
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As much as I love Detonation, it might only be my 4th favorite from the record, behind Refuge, Song of Unborn and the title track (which has really risen for me lately).
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Song of Unborn was debuted tonight. Superb live.
And the instrumental part of Detonation was possibly my highlight of the evening.
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Nice :tup, I'm jealous of everyone who will be there for those shows
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I know SW does his thing his way but to be honest if I bought a ticket last year for this tour and he decided to perform a lot of HCE material I would be a bit disappointed as I saw that tour 3 times. As far as I know he didn’t specify that all the nights would be different when tix went on sale. Unless you got tix to all 3 which I’m not sure many people do anymore due to prices.
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As much as I love Detonation, it might only be my 4th favorite from the record, behind Refuge, Song of Unborn and the title track (which has really risen for me lately).
I can't get enough of Refuge.
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Well, tonight's show was quite the breath-taker. Worth checking out on setlist.fm.
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Well, tonight's show was quite the breath-taker. Worth checking out on setlist.fm.
Wonder what the setlist might be for tomorrow...full To The Bone album possibly?
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Pretty sick set list.
I suspect tomorrow night's will have most of both To the Bone and Hand Cannot Erase, The Raven (the song), most of the PT songs he has been playing this tour, and maybe a surprise or two.
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Fuck, he did The Sky Moves Sideways !?? :o :o
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Well, tonight's show was quite the breath-taker. Worth checking out on setlist.fm.
That is a very good setlist. Really intrigued to see what makes it to the set tonight
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Still loving To The Bone. Would have loved to have heard what Gavin H would have done on Asylum (assuming he could play what he wanted).
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I know SW does his thing his way but to be honest if I bought a ticket last year for this tour and he decided to perform a lot of HCE material I would be a bit disappointed as I saw that tour 3 times. As far as I know he didn’t specify that all the nights would be different when tix went on sale. Unless you got tix to all 3 which I’m not sure many people do anymore due to prices.
He didn't initially announce that he was doing multiple shows, just one night was announced. I wasn't particularly happy with the tickets available at the time and did think he may announce further shows but couldn't take the risk and got what was available on night one. Absolutely loved the show and the Royal Albert Hall (always wanted to see a show there) but I would definitely have gone with the 3rd night if I'd known up front that they were filming that night. Can't complain though, I still got an amazing show and only £40.00 a ticket in that venue is very reasonable. I saw him in Manchester on HCE tour for £25.00 which is unbelievable value in today's market.
Can't believe Dream Theater have never played this venue, just seems like the type of historic venue that would have appealed to Mike Portnoy in particular, always dreamed they would do a special show there with full orchestra etc. Would have paid for that in an instant but instead they have historically gone with Hammersmith Apollo and Wembley Arena when choosing a larger London venue.
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Hmmmm, no discussion on the 3rd night at RAH? Set list mostly looked like standard fare considering this year's sets thus far. Bummer to see no Routine considering Ninet was there; that feels like a missed opportunity to capture that song on a live DVD with both SW and Ninet singing. Regardless, I am sure the Blu-ray/DVD will kick all kinds of ass.
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Just saw the setlist and I'm mildly disappointed in the final product. I hope that's not the ONLY night he filmed (though I think it is). There's just too much that has already been released in video form, and considering how rarely he actually releases home video, I think it's bullcrap to fill it up with stuff we've seen already.
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Just saw the setlist and I'm mildly disappointed in the final product. I hope that's not the ONLY night he filmed (though I think it is). There's just too much that has already been released in video form, and considering how rarely he actually releases home video, I think it's bullcrap to fill it up with stuff we've seen already.
Huh?
He played 21 songs last night, none of which were on Get What You Deserve, the only other full concert he has released from his solo career.
Sure, the 5 PT songs were on the two concerts they released in the 00's, but that is only 5 of 21 songs.
While I wish The Raven would have had more representation than just the title track, I think he did a great job of not repeating any songs from his solo career from the last DVD.
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Let's put it this way. If I had to choose between the show that got filmed, and the show on the 28th.....I would choose the latter every single time....and maybe even paid extra.
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Well, despite the absence of the Raven at that show, I probably agree with that. I think SW looks at shows like that as something special for those in attendance only, while he'd rather the video release be an accurate representation of the tour. Awesome for those in attendance, and certainly a bit frustrating for those of us who would have killed to have been at that show.
That said, I was not expecting any video release from this tour, so I am thrilled with what we will get.
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For me, the second night was easily the best of the three. Not because I was ever a Porcupine Tree fan - I wasn't - but because of the beautifully verbose informality of proceedings. And yes, it's a real shame it wasn't recorded.
The recording absolutely affected the atmosphere, and in a couple of ways: 1) the venue was comparatively brightly lit (I remember RCMH being the same way for the recording of Score), 2) Steven spent two minutes after the first song or two telling us how he was barely going to speak for the rest of the evening so he could cram all the songs in (he referred to the strict 11 pm curfew at the RAH although he finished at 2302 on Wednesday and 2305 on Thursday).
I agree with an earlier comment that Routine absolutely should have been committed to film. Could have dropped Home Invasion and Regret #9 for that without really losing anything from the show (plenty of instrumental songs/passages already included). I suspect Harmony Korine was originally going to be played but following the resounding success of Song of Unborn on the first two nights, Steven said he wanted to include it in the filming.
He did say during the show that other songs will be included on the blu-ray, and someone in the Facebook group said several songs had been filmed the afternoon of the show so we'll see.
Don't get me wrong: it was a great show, especially Permanating (dancers were back following a break for the middle night), Song of Unborn and Song of I (I am in love with the projection!). And the instrumental breaks in both Ancestral and Detonation were again worth the price of admission alone. It's just that my personal preference would have been for the informality of the middle show to have been captured.
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I am happy that he filmed the show he did as it is very close to the one I saw.
Would have loved a double feature with the second night also included.
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He did say during the show that other songs will be included on the blu-ray, and someone in the Facebook group said several songs had been filmed the afternoon of the show so we'll see.
That's good to hear :tup It's a pity they didn't play Routine with Ninet during the main show, but as Kev said, SW probably wanted the recording to be a representation of a standard show on this tour.
BTW, Steven joined Richard at the end of his opening set to play Buying New Soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es0t-gN8XG4 Great to see them together again :)
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Let's put it this way. If I had to choose between the show that got filmed, and the show on the 28th.....I would choose the latter every single time....and maybe even paid extra.
Same here. The set that got filmed isn't bad or anything, but the one on the 28th was awesome
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He did say during the show that other songs will be included on the blu-ray, and someone in the Facebook group said several songs had been filmed the afternoon of the show so we'll see.
That's good to hear :tup It's a pity they didn't play Routine with Ninet during the main show, but as Kev said, SW probably wanted the recording to be a representation of a standard show on this tour.
BTW, Steven joined Richard at the end of his opening set to play Buying New Soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es0t-gN8XG4 Great to see them together again :)
Hmmm...I always thought that the friction that occurred near the end of PT between members was with Richard and Steven. Good to see that there's no hard feelings anymore. Richard's playing was probably my favorite part of PT so maybe there's a chance they'll work together again on something.
Also, Buying New Soul is without a doubt one of the greatest songs PT (or SW) has ever written btw. Glad to see it's still on his radar.
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Buying New Soul is incredible and definitely one of the best songs PT ever did. Of course, PT had so many great songs that trying to narrow down a list is extremely difficult (although a certain handful are pretty much always going to top the list).
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I would've loved to of heard buying new soul played a few nights ago.
Why did PT have to end :(
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Why did PT have to end :(
I hear ya. I just cannot get into Steven Wilson solo. Granted, I didn't get into PT until In Absentia. But I did travel back and get the whole catalog. But for me, the golden period of IA - Fear of a Blank Planet is just all sorts of awesome (although my favorite tune is still Even Less from Stupid Dream). I am halfway through Rich Wilson's biography on the band (about to hit the IA period), and all I can think about is how I wish PT was still around. I totally respect Steve's solo work, but PT just had this edge...and its gone.
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Still flogging that dead horse again, are we?
Porcupine Tree got stale. Thankfully they only went one album too far rather than just keeping going for the sake of it. SW is making the best music of his career right now, and it's the music he wants to make. The PT ship sailed long long ago.
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Still flogging that dead horse again, are we?
Porcupine Tree got stale. Thankfully they only went one album too far rather than just keeping going for the sake of it. SW is making the best music of his career right now, and it's the music he wants to make. The PT ship sailed long long ago.
So let me get this straight -- conversation regarding preferring Porcupine Tree to Steven Wilson solo is a "dead horse," because...some have the opinion his solo music is "the best music of his career right now," right? ::)
Nah, I think we'll continue to discuss PT when we feel like it. Thanks.
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It's not that, just that PT is dead now and we've all discussed how much we'd like them to reunite and such, and have overanalized everything SW has said about them. That's the dead horse, and I think most of us would love to discuss anything about the band but that again.
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It's not that, just that PT is dead now and we've all discussed how much we'd like them to reunite and such, and have overanalized everything SW has said about them. That's the dead horse, and I think most of us would love to discuss anything about the band but that again.
Well, honestly, I think that's pretty stuck up. I get it, but if people want to discuss PT, they shouldn't be made to feel it is unwelcome. I very much respect SW's work. I prefer his work as a member of PT, as do many others.
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To me, I just don’t understand how someone could be that dismissive of SW’s solo work.
I mean, ya....Insurgents was very different, but then Grace for Drowning had some stuff that sounded more PT on it, but more than half didn’t. Then Raven started to seriously sound a lot more like PT to my ears. As in, 2/3rds of it could have been on any PT album from IA to Fear. And then Hand Cannot Erase just plain sounds like a straight up wall to wall PT album from start to finish. I think that’s probably why he wanted to do something more drastic with To the Bone. Because for all of his talk about trying to do something different, he has started off drastically different, and then over four albums had turned into an exact PT clone. And even now there are about 3 or 4 songs from To the Bone that I could picture PT doing in a heartbeat. Detonation in particular.
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Still flogging that dead horse again, are we?
Porcupine Tree got stale. Thankfully they only went one album too far rather than just keeping going for the sake of it. SW is making the best music of his career right now, and it's the music he wants to make. The PT ship sailed long long ago.
So let me get this straight -- conversation regarding preferring Porcupine Tree to Steven Wilson solo is a "dead horse," because...some have the opinion his solo music is "the best music of his career right now," right? ::)
Nah, I think we'll continue to discuss PT when we feel like it. Thanks.
I think we actually have a Porcupine Tree thread.
And I don't think anyone has a problem discussing PT generally, it's just when the thread (nominally about SW's solo career) starts to get full of 'BRING PT BACK' it gets kind of annoying, especially since Steven's been really clear about his feelings on the matter.
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To me, I just don’t understand how someone could be that dismissive of SW’s solo work.
I mean, ya....Insurgents was very different, but then Grace for Drowning had some stuff that sounded more PT on it, but more than half didn’t. Then Raven started to seriously sound a lot more like PT to my ears. As in, 2/3rds of it could have been on any PT album from IA to Fear. And then Hand Cannot Erase just plain sounds like a straight up wall to wall PT album from start to finish. I think that’s probably why he wanted to do something more drastic with To the Bone. Because for all of his talk about trying to do something different, he has started off drastically different, and then over four albums had turned into an exact PT clone. And even now there are about 3 or 4 songs from To the Bone that I could picture PT doing in a heartbeat. Detonation in particular.
Huh? Hand Cannot Erase sounds like PT from start to finish? That's a new one.
It feels like I have been disagreeing with you a lot lately. Stop saying crazy stuff I have to post and disagree with. :P :biggrin:
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If SW doesn't want to bring PT back then he doesn't have to, it's his choice to put PT to rest.
That said very little, if any, of his solo work sounds like PT.
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I think Jammindude brings up a good point honestly. At the start of SW's solo project there was all this talk of "now I can do more things and I'm not limited" and I think it showed especially on Insurgentes but even Grace/Raven, but we're now 5 albums into his solo career and it doesn't seem like he wants to do anything that different to what he was doing after all.
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Just why Bollywood dancers of all things to bring when associated it to a song like Permanating? Nothing wrong with that. It's a nice touch to a song like that. I just don't understand why.
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Jimmy, I think you are looking for harsh changes like we saw from Insurgentes through Raven but the last few were subtle. Like the 80's influence. It's still SW but just the tinge of difference.
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Jimmy, I think you are looking for harsh changes like we saw from Insurgentes through Raven but the last few were subtle. Like the 80's influence. It's still SW but just the tinge of difference.
I'm not denying the changes are there, it's just that to me there hasn't been enough distinction to warrant the "I gotta leave PT to do my own thing". Especially the last two albums have plenty of songs that could have been PT songs, and he's started playing a lot of PT songs live again, which I think strengthens that because SW feels like those PT songs fit into the set that's mostly HCE and TTB songs.
Overall I'm somewhere in the middle as I think PT is probably the best SW has done, but he has made really good albums in his solo career (I would put Insurgentes and Grace over half of the PT albums at least) and with The Incident being somewhat of a disappointing end to PT (not bad, just a lesser PT album compared to earlier ones) and him getting a bit of a spark with the solo stuff initially, I'm somewhere in the middle I guess. I haven't LOVED any of his last 3 albums (though they were all good) but I don't know if a new PT album would have turned out any better either, at least if The Incident was anything to go by.
I do miss PT and would like new PT stuff at some point but I think SW is equally capable of delivering a good solo album as a new PT album.
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Could it be also for financial reasons that he canceled PT?
In a band the individual band members get maybe more of the record and tour money, even though SW is almost the lone songwriter, than the hired musicians he takes on tour nowadays.
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Jimmy, I think you are looking for harsh changes like we saw from Insurgentes through Raven but the last few were subtle. Like the 80's influence. It's still SW but just the tinge of difference.
I'm not denying the changes are there, it's just that to me there hasn't been enough distinction to warrant the "I gotta leave PT to do my own thing". Especially the last two albums have plenty of songs that could have been PT songs, and he's started playing a lot of PT songs live again, which I think strengthens that because SW feels like those PT songs fit into the set that's mostly HCE and TTB songs.
Overall I'm somewhere in the middle as I think PT is probably the best SW has done, but he has made really good albums in his solo career (I would put Insurgentes and Grace over half of the PT albums at least) and with The Incident being somewhat of a disappointing end to PT (not bad, just a lesser PT album compared to earlier ones) and him getting a bit of a spark with the solo stuff initially, I'm somewhere in the middle I guess. I haven't LOVED any of his last 3 albums (though they were all good) but I don't know if a new PT album would have turned out any better either, at least if The Incident was anything to go by.
I do miss PT and would like new PT stuff at some point but I think SW is equally capable of delivering a good solo album as a new PT album.
I totally get what you are saying. I also think he is so hands on in the music the other in PT were complaining about their input and in the end. Steven wanted his vision where he writes it all or plays a lot of it. No one can tell me Steven is a better bass player than Nick Beggs yet Steven plays a lot of the bass on the albums.
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Just why Bollywood dancers of all things to bring when associated it to a song like Permanating? Nothing wrong with that. It's a nice touch to a song like that. I just don't understand why.
Because it's a nice touch maybe?
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Could it be also for financial reasons that he canceled PT?
In a band the individual band members get maybe more of the record and tour money, even though SW is almost the lone songwriter, than the hired musicians he takes on tour nowadays.
SW has stated that none of his solo tours have been profitable yet, because the big production and the musicians's salaries cost so much. In fact, staying with PT would've been more safe and reasonable from a financial point of view, because they were on an upward trend and were even told that the next album would be their big break and the tour would gross $5 million (https://www.innerviews.org/inner/wilson2.html).
I'm pretty sure it simply boils down to creative control in the end: SW started doing the solo stuff to break away from PT for a while, but then he realized he was having more fun being 100% in charge and decided to stay on that path. That's probably why he didn't return to the band even though he got the jazz/retro prog out of his system and the latest two solo albums are closer to the PT sound - he can do slightly similar things musically, but without compromises now. As a fan who got into PT after the band was put on ice, I'd love to see them live at least once and I think they deserve a better swansong than The Incident, but I don't want them to reunite out of obligation - SW is doing well right now, and working on his own is more natural for him anyway, as Rich Wilson's book points out. Maybe if he gets stuck in a rut with his solo career at some point and feels the need to branch out and collaborate with other people again to get his mojo back, the time may come for PT again.
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PT was basically just Steven Wilson anyway, he wrote nearly everything so makes no difference to me whether it's Porcupine Tree or SW solo. The solo band live completely smokes Porcupine Tree in my opinion though and I also agree that The Incident was the sound of them going stale as SW was maybe pandering to the other band members and/or PT fans.
I will admit that I went away from SW during the Grace For Drowning, Storm Corrosion period and didn't even buy Raven as I thought I wouldn't like it. Hand Cannot Erase brought me back as it is basically classic Porcupine Tree in all but name and I went back and bought Raven which is also brilliant, as is the new record. I really don't pine for Porcupine Tree to be honest as much as love their stuff, I just really see it as part of Steven Wilson's back catalogue and he is still making great music with better musicians imo. He is also doing much better as a solo artist than he ever did with PT so no reason for him to go back unless, as he has said in the past, they pull their fingers out and bring something to him rather than him having to carry them.
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I see the argument that he's making music with better musicians now a lot and while I think that's true, to me the heart and soul of his music has always been him. Listening to a more bare-bone song like Last Chance to Evacuate Planet Earth Before It Is Recycled or something like A Smart Kid - there's a type of magic there that SW has the ability to capture no matter who he is working with. If you want a more recent example I think the title track of Raven stands head and shoulders above other songs on the album that feature more stand-out musicianship, whereas the title track is very "basic" in comparison.
Listening to the older PT albums I especially like SW's guitar playing. I don't think there's anyone here who would say he's a better guitarist than Guthrie Govan, but to me he has a personal sound and it adds something to the music which I've missed a bit from some of his solo albums. There's something to be appreciated about being limited and pulling off something great compared to someone like Guthrie who can play just about anything and I'm still not as impressed.
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Totally agree, particularly about his guitar playing, he's one of my favourite guitar players. It was one of my issues with Porcupine Tree in the later years when I went to see them live he had John Wesley playing most of his guitar solos and he is not good at all imo. At least with the SW solo stuff, he is not generally playing all the guitar solos on the record so I have no problem when he is not playing them all live. SW does play most of the guitar on the new record though.
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Yep, that is one major advantage SW's live band as a solo artist has over PT; a far better 2nd guitarist next to SW. I cringed every time John Wesley would play a solo live with PT, as it was always...not good.
As for comparing PT to SW solo, sure, it is easy to look at a few songs from the last few albums and say, "Sounds like PT," but really, that means, "Sounds like classic SW." If you look at it from a micro level, not a macro one, the differences are pretty evident.
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I think it depends on how much of PT you’re looking at. I mean ya, if you only look at the classic period (IA-Fear) then you’re going to hear a lot of differences. But I also hear his solo stuff harkening more back to the Signify-SD-LS era. Of course, you’re also venturing back into a time when Steven was a bit more of a driving force. I got the impression that it all started with just him...then as the band came on board, it slowly became more and more of a “band effort” (for example, Steven explicitly stated later on during the classic era of the band that there were certain jazz elements that he had been wanting to try that Richard was flatly against.). This statement leads me to believe that he found the group dynamic limiting, even though it had all started with just him and no band.
To tell you the truth, I must echo the sentiments of what was said earlier. I have a feeling that it was more of a legal thing. If Steven Wilson had 100% of a share in the Porcupine Tree name, he could have just told the hired guns to play what he wrote....or even just replaced members as he saw fit. But I have a feeling that it was drawn up with Richard, Colin and Gavin having a say in what happened. So he just had to throw the baby out with the bath water in order to regain full control.
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Sometimes being restricted can be a good thing, I think the nice thing about PT was the band did have some say it seems, even if it might have been very little say. To me there was a sense of cohesion in PT that his solo work lacks to my ears. I think the only SW album that came close was The Raven.
I'm happy he is happy doing what he loves, but tt would've been interesting to hear what the next PT releases would've sounded like post PT if he kept it going.
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Sometimes being restricted can be a good thing, I think the nice thing about PT was the band did have some say it seems, even if it might have been very little say. To me there was a sense of cohesion in PT that his solo work lacks to my ears. I think the only SW album that came close was The Raven.
This I can actually agree with and hadn't thought about. But when I think about Stupid Dream or Signify, or Lightbulb Sun - I think of very cohesive albums that has a "sound" or style that oozes through the whole album and everything feels like it fits. I feel like that's something I miss from his last few albums. I think Insurgentes, Grace and even Raven works in that regard cause they create like their own worlds where the music just fits, but HCE and TTB have both felt more like "anything goes" albums. As much as I like Permanating, Detonation and Song of I for example, I don't think those three songs should be on the same album.
But I don't wanna be too harsh about it either because if you're branching out and trying new things and other musical styles you're also sacrificing the cohesion of the album at the same time so it's kinda like a "cant have the cake and eat it too" scenario.
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Great mini documentary regarding the tour and the stage setup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrvkSZu0mac&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrvkSZu0mac&feature=youtu.be)
I so wish I had gone somewhere to see a show. Can't wait for the blu-ray now.
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Hello, simple question from a SW noob (but I liked lot of things on youtube from his solo work).
What songs or album do you recommend me in the Luminol kind ?
I'm very proggy, so I'm not searching in the ambient or pop vibes (lol SW pop)
Or maybe PT had some more rock tunes ?
Cheers !
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Hello, simple question from a SW noob (but I liked lot of things on youtube from his solo work).
What songs or album do you recommend me in the Luminol kind ?
I'm very proggy, so I'm not searching in the ambient or pop vibes (lol SW pop)
Or maybe PT had some more rock tunes ?
Cheers !
The Raven That Refused to Sing (And Other Stories) is his most proggy album and also his best (imo). Luminol is from it.
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I'd go with Hand Cannot Erase and Grace For Drowning. The former has some catchy tunes but it also has Ancestral and Home Invasion/Regret.
The latter one is very Crimso-Like and obscure.
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I know some will find it stupid, but I came across this again today and I can never not watch it and laugh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGtUyDznsr4&feature=youtu.be&t=5m17s
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what
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fuck
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I was laughing at the terrible attempt to do SW accent, not even close!
I picked up the SW 12" RSD 2018 single today, looks nice, haven't opened it yet.
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Hello, simple question from a SW noob (but I liked lot of things on youtube from his solo work).
What songs or album do you recommend me in the Luminol kind ?
I'm very proggy, so I'm not searching in the ambient or pop vibes (lol SW pop)
Or maybe PT had some more rock tunes ?
Cheers !
Luminol is really the only song like it that SW has. Sure, the rest of The Raven is proggy in the classic sense, but Luminol is what I would say almost all other SW songs are not: showy (from a playing standpoint).
If you want the prog, get The Raven, Grace for Drowning and Hand Cannot Erase, as far as solo SW.
As for PT, if you want prog, get The Sky Moves Sideways, Signify and Fear of a Blank Planet.
If you want ROCK, get Deadwing and In Absentia.
Or just get it all, which you will eventually anyway. :coolio
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Thank you all for your insight, I'm gonna sit back and enjoy your recommendations :)
Cheers
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Saw the show last night in Philly and am still grinning ear to ear today. It just gets better every time. Sad Ninet was not with him of course, but it was yet another amazing Steven Wilson experience. Saturday and Sunday in NYC will be rounds 2 and 3!
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I was also at the Philly show and it was probably my favorite show from him yet. The new songs were outstanding live and the visuals were interesting and unique. Detonation was my favorite song of the night as was Song Of I , a song in which I was not that interested in on the album. He's obsessed with dancing girls it seems. The first In Absentia song he played (trying to be vague to avoid spoilers) was incredibly good, yet the one in the second set, which is probably close to being my favorite PT song, didn't come across that well live. Overall, it was just an incredible night.
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I was also at the Philly show and it was probably my favorite show from him yet. The new songs were outstanding live and the visuals were interesting and unique. Detonation was my favorite song of the night as was Song Of I , a song in which I was not that interested in on the album. He's obsessed with dancing girls it seems. The first In Absentia song he played (trying to be vague to avoid spoilers) was incredibly good, yet the one in the second set, which is probably close to being my favorite PT song, didn't come across that well live. Overall, it was just an incredible night.
That first IA song... oh man, was so fucking awesome to hear that. Still doesn't top seeing my favorite PT again, THE one from Deadwing. :D
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Amazing show, on par with the HCE show I saw at Keswick a few years ago. Band was on fire, Blundell was great and smiling throughout. Show was one song short (SW's solo song at the beginning of the encore) of the usual setlist I guess due to time restraints (they had to be done by 11PM) but I wasn't complaining. Favorites of the night were "People Who Eat Darkness", "Ancestral" and "Detonation" was also great. The rockers REALLY rocked!! I thought the To The Bone songs translated much better live than on the album.
To whoever is going to NYC- enjoy, this show is fantastic!
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I was at the DC show Tuesday night. First time seeing Steven and I could not ask for a better setlist, though I was a little disappointed he didn't play the title track to the new album. The few PT songs he did were a nice surprise. I never thought I'd get the chance to see some of those songs live.
My dad went with me to the show(He works in DC and got me a nice deal on a hotel room in a Navy Lodge.) This normally isn't his kind of music, but he really enjoyed it. He thought the videos that played during the songs were a little weird, and he audibly said "What the fuck" during the one for People Who Eat Darkness. The people who have seen the show might know what moment I'm referring to.
The other guys in his band are all killer musicians. Alex Hutchings is an amazing guitarist and I hope he sticks with Steven's band for a while. I know some people were on the fence about him now that Guthrie Govan is gone, but Alex's take on his solos were just as amazing as the original. Craig Blundell is also an incredibly talented and energetic drummer. Overall it was an amazing concert and I can't wait till the next one.
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I was at the DC show Tuesday night. First time seeing Steven and I could not ask for a better setlist, though I was a little disappointed he didn't play the title track to the new album.
I am also curious about this omission. I know he's played it a few times but I wonder what about it makes it tough to play.
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It wasn’t a good opener during the European lego so he changed it. I would love to hear the title track as well.
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Berklee in Boston last night.
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Nice! That looks like a great, intimate setting. How big is the venue? It looks smallish, which I think is perfect for this kind of music.
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It holds about 2000.
This is were MP, JM & JP went to school.
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Does Steven Wilson have a deal with the Berklee Performance Center to always perform there when he visits Boston?
It's a fantastic venue but it's getting way too small for the crowds he pulls.
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It holds about 2000.
This is were MP, JM & JP went to school.
:tup
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Does Steven Wilson have a deal with the Berklee Performance Center to always perform there when he visits Boston?
It's a fantastic venue but it's getting way too small for the crowds he pulls.
I agree. I hope he plays another venue but he needs to grow in his fan base to do so.
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(https://s14.postimg.cc/lagyxwbip/IMG_20180429_223149.jpg)
Incredible show yesterday, and super long too. Acoustic guitar encore with some Blackfield!
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It wasn’t a good opener during the European lego so he changed it. I would love to hear the title track as well.
Has the overall crowd response been bad to it, or did SW think it's not a good fit?
Personally, having seen the show in Frankfurt, I think it was a perfect opener for the show.
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It wasn’t a good opener during the European lego so he changed it. I would love to hear the title track as well.
Has the overall crowd response been bad to it, or did SW think it's not a good fit?
Personally, having seen the show in Frankfurt, I think it was a perfect opener for the show.
SW was asked about it in some podcast interview and he claimed that the song didn't translate well live - too many layers or something.
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I was at the show last night too, it was excellent. I was a little disappointed to have missed out on some of the songs that were played on Saturday though, but the setlist was still great. Refuge was goose bump inducing as expected, it's become a top 5 Steven Wilson song for me. :hefdaddy
Also, I thought To The Bone was an excellent opener... it sounded perfect to me and seemed to be well received by the crowd.
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It wasn’t a good opener during the European lego so he changed it. I would love to hear the title track as well.
Has the overall crowd response been bad to it, or did SW think it's not a good fit?
Personally, having seen the show in Frankfurt, I think it was a perfect opener for the show.
SW was asked about it in some podcast interview and he claimed that the song didn't translate well live - too many layers or something.
I think it was also said that not having the harmonica live really takes away from the song.
In the end, some songs are great in the studio, but just don't work as well live for whatever reason.
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Just got home from a long weekend in NYC focussed on Steven Wilson, and will hopefully get some comments in before I pack bags again for RoSfest, but for now, my three best pictures. :D
(https://www.wpapu.com/images/SWAP01.jpg)
(https://www.wpapu.com/images/SWAP02.jpg)
(https://www.wpapu.com/images/SWAP03.jpg)
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The last one is clearly a fake. The dude you claim is SW, is smiling.
BTW I give you double of what you paid for this Haken shirt!!! :biggrin: (Kidding, I don't think it's my size)
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Nick,
That's a great picture. Very cool.
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Steven Wilson was on Jools Holland's BBC Radio 2 show last night. They played Permanating and Pariah off the album, ABBA and Donna Summer tracks that influenced him, and a live cover of Sign o' the Times.
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The last one is clearly a fake. The dude you claim is SW, is smiling.
I know that it's not fake, and yet I can't argue with your logic.
As for the shirt, basically got it off of some site where someone uploaded the design to be printed. Had wanted it forever, but only had the chance to get it in M and needed XXL.
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The last one is clearly a fake. The dude you claim is SW, is smiling.
I know that it's not fake, and yet I can't argue with your logic.
As for the shirt, basically got it off of some site where someone uploaded the design to be printed. Had wanted it forever, but only had the chance to get it in M and needed XXL.
That same shirt was on sale at Haken's shows around 2011-2012, when they released Visions. I own the same shirt, though Haken took it out of print (probably because of the obvious reference to a certain beer brand).
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The last one is clearly a fake. The dude you claim is SW, is smiling.
I know that it's not fake, and yet I can't argue with your logic.
As for the shirt, basically got it off of some site where someone uploaded the design to be printed. Had wanted it forever, but only had the chance to get it in M and needed XXL.
That same shirt was on sale at Haken's shows around 2011-2012, when they released Visions. I own the same shirt, though Haken took it out of print (probably because of the obvious reference to a certain beer brand).
Yup, and they never played in American during the span the shirt was on sale in all sizes. They brought it on a cruise and tour later, but only M was left at that point, and they obviously can not print more.
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Nice pictures. Who is the guy with Nick in the top picture?
I bought a Haken hooded jacket a few years ago with that same picture.
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Craig Blundell. He's drumming for Steven Wilson. He also recently recorded drums for the last Frost*.
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Awesome photos, Nick. :tup
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The last one is clearly a fake. The dude you claim is SW, is smiling.
I know that it's not fake, and yet I can't argue with your logic.
As for the shirt, basically got it off of some site where someone uploaded the design to be printed. Had wanted it forever, but only had the chance to get it in M and needed XXL.
Damnit I need M :D
Can I get the design from somewhere? The Haken guys are so cool, maybe they send it to me...
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I had not heard this before:
https://youtu.be/Z_deuyn5UZo
SW covering Sign 'O the Times
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Yeah, there's a whole album of those and some original material, they're all fantastic. A lot better quality than that radio version, although I suppose hearing it new and with a slightly different sound is cool. I prefer the album version, really awesome cover. I also really love Thank You despite hating the original. A Forest and The Guitar Lesson are fucking incredible though, I think. Both of those give me goosebumps every time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_Version
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I'm beginning to think maybe I should pick up Cover Version, now it's so readily available. More SW can't be a bad thing.
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I'm beginning to think maybe I should pick up Cover Version, now it's so readily available. More SW can't be a bad thing.
Do it..... wonderful collection of songs
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I had never listened to his music until this week. I caught his concert in Denver while out here on a work trip and was pretty impressed with his show. I was all the way in the back so didn't have a great view, but did manage to get one full song:
Steven Wilson - People Who Eat Darkness Live @ Ogden Theater Denver CO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loPgf-XMwAw)
I love his banter before the song too about the electric guitar :lol
I'd say his music is a bit all over the place in that not everything I heard clicked with me, but there was a lot of awesomeness in there. Set 2 was really good, I found it better than the first set. The videos and the front drop for the videos really added to the show especially for someone who didn't know the music. Made it real easy to just sink into the music when there were cool visuals to go along with it.
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In my view, there's quite a bit of music in the setlist that isn't 'instant' so I'd say you did pretty well :biggrin:
One interesting note about the night you went to is they tried opening with To the Bone again. It was dropped early on in the tour for Nowhere Now simply because they didn't feel it worked too well live. It then became the de facto opener on the second night of a two night stand.
Also interesting you enjoyed his speech before People Who Eat Darkness: a lot of people Stateside have been complaining about his 'rants'. I found them all pretty funny but then I'm British and was born and raised within 30 miles of Steven's hometown so it was just like me or one of my mates being British and moaning/whinging as sport. Suspect that's been lost on quite a few people :lol
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I'm not sure if his rants change topics or not, but the making fun of young people for not knowing a guitar was kind of funny. Maybe if he ranted on something else that I'd be more annoyed. It did seem like it was more of a comedic rant vs. serious though so I thought it all came up fine.
As for trying to open with a different song... how do you know that? Is it because they had issues with the opening video? They actually played the audio and there was no video which lead to a lot of WTF? from the crowd before they restarted the show and the video projection worked. I loved it because I love that sort of spontaneity at a concert. Also Steven apologized for the rough start later in the set :lol
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Oh, I just know they opened that particular show in Denver with To the Bone because I found myself watching the intro video, recorded at that show, on Facebook the other day. The video went on long enough for the first song to have started. I don't know why they chose to open with To the Bone that night, all I know is why they originally stopped playing it as the regular opener.
Going back to the intro video on Facebook, I was amazed how engaged the US audience was in all the headings that appeared. The audience in the UK was silent throughout each of the four shows I attended, save for the first scientology reference where there was a brief titter each time :lol
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oh :lol yea, well I found the intro video to be pretty interesting and definitely something that would cause a reaction, positive or negative. I felt it definitely drew out some sort of emotion so I didn't think it odd at all to see the audience engaged.
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I found the intro (if it's still the same now as in February) totally genius. So easy, but it makes you think.
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Can anyone who’s seen the US run give an update on the merch they’ve got? Basic prices too if known? :tup
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I found the intro (if it's still the same now as in February) totally genius. So easy, but it makes you think.
It's very well done, isn't it? Love the music in the background. Does anyone know if it's a published piece?
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New interview with Steven: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-steven-wilson/
Reinforced what I've believed for awhile about him and prog festivals/cruises.
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New interview with Steven: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-steven-wilson/
Reinforced what I've believed for awhile about him and prog festivals/cruises.
Nice one.... thanks
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Thanks for sharing the interview. Interesting that Gavin played drum tracks on "To The Bone" but those tracks weren't used. Good to know that they're still friends.
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Honestly, I am happy he didn't use Harrison on To the Bone. Harrison is a great player, but is a little too busy at times and his tendency to overplay can be a bit frustrating. I can simply point to the live rendition of Hatesong from the Octane Twisted live album which he singlehandedly destroyed by overplaying the crap out of it and failing to capture the groove of the original.
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I personally love Harrison, I wish he was still with SW. I thought that Marco overplayed more than Gavin.
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Very upset I'm not at the show tonight, but this weekend is just a bit too busy at work for me to be out till early morning.
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On the rail for the LA show tonight, 4th time seeing Wilson and I’m so hyped :metal
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I realize that this is a PT question rather than a SW question, but I was wondering if someone could clear something up for me.
One of my favorite songs from PT is Drown with Me. Is the phrase drown with me some sort of english slang? I've always assumed that it had something to do with drinking alcohol, but I've never really been sure.
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It's not commonly used, no. I'm in no position to delve into any possible meaning of it. It's just words set to truly incredible music.
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I was just thinking that with SW's music there are almost always instances that I prefer songs left off to some on the album.
In Absentia is a great example of that; if Drown with Me and Chloroform were on the album they would have been the two best tracks.
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One of my favorite songs from PT is Drown with Me. Is the phrase drown with me some sort of english slang? I've always assumed that it had something to do with drinking alcohol, but I've never really been sure.
No, it isn't slang. I'm not sure what inspired the question – the lyric fits with the serial killer theme used in other songs like Blackest Eyes, Lips of Ashes and Strip the Soul, even reprising phrases from them (gave away the books from Blackest Eyes, unwinding the coil from Gravity Eyelids, etc.).
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I'm not sure what inspired the question
Forgive my ignorance. I'll consult you prior to making any more inquiries.
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Great interview with SW, including some rarely asked questions: https://fabriziopedrotti.com/2018/05/22/steven-wilson-every-time-i-go-on-stage-i-can-get-shot/
The DVD/Bluray is called Steven Wilson’s Home Invasion – Live at the Royal Albert Hall and will be released in Oct/Nov, but we'll have to wait a few more years for the IA and Deadwing reissues, because there'll be tons of extras and SW has to do a whole lot of compiling.
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That is one of the more interesting interviews of his I have seen in a while. Thanks for posting it! :tup :tup
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Confirmation that the upcoming blu-ray will feature additional songs recorded in an empty RAH:
"For those of you who haven’t been able to see the To the Bone tour in the flesh, or if you have but just want to see it again in the comfort of your own home, the Royal Albert Hall concert film is being edited and mixed as we speak. It will include the whole of the third night’s performance in this beautiful venue, as well as some extra songs not included in the gig set list that were filmed earlier in the day in an empty venue. Official announcements on title, contents and formats coming soon."
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/bone-americas-tour-roundup/ (https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/bone-americas-tour-roundup/)
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Songs played in an empty venue? That could be interesting :lol
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https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/bone-americas-tour-roundup/ (https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/bone-americas-tour-roundup/)
Dat cap tho:
(https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/E7A0372-copy-1024x788.jpg)
Songs played in an empty venue? That could be interesting :lol
This seems to be a bit of a trend - Rush had a soundcheck recording of Limelight on the Clockwork Angels Tour DVD, and Sabbath included some live-in-studio material on The End.
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This could indeed be interesting, as "other artists" have already proven ..
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/y3pL4CNfIRo/hqdefault.jpg)
But since this seems to be "only" soundcheck recordings, I am way more hyped for the real concert!
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Have the 2018 re-issues on CD of Deadwing and In Absentia been officially released?
Reason I ask is my local indie metal store has them on their website for sale.
I even went down to the store to check them, the sticker on the digipaks mentioned nothing about any remastering though.
https://www.utopia.com.au/porcupine-tree-deadwing-2018-reissue-cd-new.html
https://www.utopia.com.au/porcupine-tree-in-absentia-2018-reissue-cd-new.html
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Have the 2018 re-issues on CD of Deadwing and In Absentia been officially released?
Reason I ask is my local indie metal store has them on their website for sale.
I even went down to the store to check them, the sticker on the digipaks mentioned nothing about any remastering though.
https://www.utopia.com.au/porcupine-tree-deadwing-2018-reissue-cd-new.html
https://www.utopia.com.au/porcupine-tree-in-absentia-2018-reissue-cd-new.html
Yes, I have them sitting in my record collection :smiley:
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How's the sound compared to the original?
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How's the sound compared to the original?
I have the new ones on vinyl, the old ones on CD. So I can't really compare them, sorry :(
I am not the most audiophile guy, but to my ears they sound just as good as everything Steven does...
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Have the 2018 re-issues on CD of Deadwing and In Absentia been officially released?
Reason I ask is my local indie metal store has them on their website for sale.
I even went down to the store to check them, the sticker on the digipaks mentioned nothing about any remastering though.
https://www.utopia.com.au/porcupine-tree-deadwing-2018-reissue-cd-new.html
https://www.utopia.com.au/porcupine-tree-in-absentia-2018-reissue-cd-new.html
I believe they are just straight reissues under the Kscope umbrella since they just bought the rights to those album. In a recent interview, Wilson said that the remasters will be released in 2-3 years with a lot of material.
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Listening to the In Absentia remaster in vinyl, boy, this is state of the art sound - it's just masterful mastering to an album that already had an amazing mix. Beautiful :hefdaddy
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Gotta pick it up. Sad to hear Chloroform didn't make it on the vinyl.
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The photo we all have waited for:
(https://scontent-arn2-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/b28cef6ad5de3e2e4cf8df2944e31e0c/5BE61815/t51.2885-15/e35/36768326_241278890018286_361778341021220864_n.jpg?_nc_eui2=AeGJJAFss79lEv7dCD-ntowjldq3MegwM2Z-dOZXKTGIYyB8D3iSiLuixm0qCnz1kaGPbOwjDLnyOiaApO1FRuqE)
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:lol :lol
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Gotta pick it up. Sad to hear Chloroform didn't make it on the vinyl.
Yeah disappointing those bonus tracks were omitted.
But I can see future releases or box set with them on the vinyls.
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Looking at discogs apparently the originals vinyl had chloroform on the record
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Radio broadcast of the first set of the Essen gig from March: https://srv.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.3265.de.html?mdm:audio_id=652715
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thanks!
soundboard recording? it sure doesn't have the impact from when i saw this show live, but still very cool document.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjW5bPnX0AAmMSJ.jpg:large)
oooo coming local to me in NJ on a Saturday. I will be there.
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Wonder if this will have any ramifications for the upcoming blu-ray? Hope not.
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I'm in Illinois. Got so excited to hear he was coming back this year only to find not a single date anywhere close to me. :censored :(
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I'm in Illinois. Got so excited to hear he was coming back this year only to find not a single date anywhere close to me. :censored :(
Maybe there will be more to come in 2019? Fingers are crossed.
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December 8th is a Saturday, I might make the drive to Asheville to see him
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I was so excited to see the news, but the NJ date is the same day as I was planning on flying out to Chicago to see the end of the Haken tour. I bought the concert ticket but not the plane ticket. Much conflicted.
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I was so excited to see the news, but the NJ date is the same day as I was planning on flying out to Chicago to see the end of the Haken tour. I bought the concert ticket but not the plane ticket. Much conflicted.
I saw Haken and Steven Wilson at the same festival last weekend; much more convenient!
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I was so excited to see the news, but the NJ date is the same day as I was planning on flying out to Chicago to see the end of the Haken tour. I bought the concert ticket but not the plane ticket. Much conflicted.
You can see SW in Philly the night before. The Fillmore is an awesome venue and real close to I-95.
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I was so excited to see the news, but the NJ date is the same day as I was planning on flying out to Chicago to see the end of the Haken tour. I bought the concert ticket but not the plane ticket. Much conflicted.
You can see SW in Philly the night before. The Fillmore is an awesome venue and real close to I-95.
Possible, and I'm looking into it. My problem is that I don't drive, so would either need to figure out a way to get back home after the show Friday night and then fly out of Newark Saturday morning, or potentially book two separate one way tickets and fly out of Philly and then then home to Newark.
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Nowhere close to St. Louis, except Nashville, and on a Monday. :facepalm: :censored
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Nowhere close to St. Louis, except Nashville, and on a Monday. :facepalm: :censored
Yea.
And I'm shocked....SHOCKED I say that they're not coming to North Dakota.
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Awesome that he's coming to Tampa again. I'm very surprised he's going to Pensacola. Didn't think there'd be that big a crowd.
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Nowhere close to St. Louis, except Nashville, and on a Monday. :facepalm: :censored
I will be going to the Nashville show. I looked up the venue and no seating.
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Nowhere close to St. Louis, except Nashville, and on a Monday. :facepalm: :censored
I will be going to the Nashville show. I looked up the venue and no seating.
Not surprised. I read that he booked a lot of venues for this little tour that have no seating, in light of his comments over the tour earlier this year about how he is tired of playing seated venues.
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The NJ venue is all GA as well
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Radio broadcast of the first set of the Essen gig from March: https://srv.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.3265.de.html?mdm:audio_id=652715
Oh man, that guy's pronunciation of Steven's last name. "Steven Vilzen". :lol
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Radio broadcast of the first set of the Essen gig from March: https://srv.deutschlandradio.de/dlf-audiothek-audio-teilen.3265.de.html?mdm:audio_id=652715
Oh man, that guy's pronunciation of Steven's last name. "Steven Vilzen". :lol
*Goose steps*
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I wonder if he will debut any new songs on this tour. I know he said he already has written three songs for his next studio album, and with plenty of time before now and then, he could easily write more stuff and then prep it to play. Or maybe he will wanna stick with what he played so far on the To the Bone tour.
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I’m hoping the setlist is pretty different from last time. I don’t mind some repeat songs, but I’d like to see more solo/PT material that is different than what he’s played the last few times around.
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I think with him making this big leap to standing venues he's gotta switch things around just to make the most out of the atmosphere.
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For our European pals:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjeVs7vX4AEFJDL.jpg:large)
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My thinking is that since he's hitting different venues/markets than last time we're less likely to see much of a change in the set.
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I think with him making this big leap to standing venues he's gotta switch things around just to make the most out of the atmosphere.
I was thinking the same thing.
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I think with him making this big leap to standing venues he's gotta switch things around just to make the most out of the atmosphere.
I was thinking the same thing.
I saw him in March in AFAS Live (Amsterdam, The Netherlands), which is a standing venue of over 5000 capacity. It was sold out.
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I think with him making this big leap to standing venues he's gotta switch things around just to make the most out of the atmosphere.
I was thinking the same thing.
I saw him in March in AFAS Live (Amsterdam, The Netherlands), which is a standing venue of over 5000 capacity. It was sold out.
It's not that it's sold out but arranging his show for the energy. A show standing up brings more energy then a seated venue.
I think he picked these venues with a purpose.
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Oh, the sold out part was just an addendum. What I just meant to say was that he played the same setlist in Europe as he did in the States and in Europe there were definitely a lot of standing venues (although Steven himself ranted about not really liking to play seated venues during the show as well :lol )
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I remember that rant when he was here in May. I did feel that the setlist was appropriate for a standing venue though, with his new material being more upbeat and him bringing some good headbanging songs from PT.
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Oh he ranted about that in Boston as well. The venue he is playing in Boston in November is the same venue I say Porcupine Tree on The Incident tour.
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I think with him making this big leap to standing venues he's gotta switch things around just to make the most out of the atmosphere.
I was thinking the same thing.
I saw him in March in AFAS Live (Amsterdam, The Netherlands), which is a standing venue of over 5000 capacity. It was sold out.
For the most part, in America, his solo shows have been seated, and through multiple shows he talked about how he wants to do standing in the future. So yeah, not saying he hasn't done it, but it certainly wasn't the norm, this run seems to intentionally take to his wish to play to standing crowds.
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The show I went to in denver was a GA show, so I guess that's why I didn't hear the rant, although there were seats on the balcony. I always felt those venues are the best, GA floor pit with balcony stadium style seating for those who prefer that. Best of both worlds. His shows on this next tour at the Paramount and Capital theater have that same style and the show in NJ is all GA. Love the Starland ballroom, there's a spot where you can wait and often times talk to the band right before they hit the stage since there isn't a true back entrance to get on stage. That's how I got to speak to Devin Townsend last year and got a pic with Less Than Jake earlier this year and also got high 5s with everyone in Kamelot a couple years ago.
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Seeing the extension of this tour through the end of February is gonna bum me out if it means we have to wait even longer for the next studio album. :(
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Nice.... another date in Stockholm. I can live with that.
Haven't been to The Waterfront yet but am told it's a great venue.
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My gf and I were planned to go to Copenhagen in october, but we're considering postponing that to february now, to catch Steven Wilson there :)
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My gf and I were planned to go to Copenhagen in october, but we're considering postponing that to february now, to catch Steven Wilson there :)
I heared that it's a huge arena taking about 16.000 capacity.
Stockholm and Waterfront might be a better venue.
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Was there an opening band for the prior shows on this tour?
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Was there an opening band for the prior shows on this tour?
No, it was an evening with format which it looks like it will be again.
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Was there an opening band for the prior shows on this tour?
No, it was an evening with format which it looks like it will be again.
In North America in the last leg, Paul Draper opened for a few shows and Ninet also played the opening slot on a few shows as well.
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I guess just not at the show I went to? I didnt realize he had some support.
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his show in Amsterdam had an opening act, i didn't see it as it started pretty early and the youtubevideos of that artist didn't interest me.
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Got my ticket for NJ, presale is happening now.
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I guess just not at the show I went to? I didnt realize he had some support.
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I guess just not at the show I went to? I didnt realize he had some support.
In my opinion, Paul Draper wasn't much support. :D
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After his rants about people sitting down, I find it a little ironic that he's actually playing the House of Culture (a partially seated venue) instead of The Circus (a club) in Helsinki this time around, but then the previous few shows were all sold out, so it was about time he moved to a bigger venue. Bought my ticket on Monday :metal
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SW just posted on instagram with a new look, a haircut and new glasses.
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wow, looks good, looks younger.
I thought he was going to bring back the earrings from the early days of PT :lol
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He looks 30 in that picture. What the fuck.
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I'm not a fan of the new glasses, but WHOA! This man defies time! :eek
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It's 1 year to the day since To The Bone was released! Still regularly listening to it and enjoying it immensely.
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It's 1 year and 3 days to the day since To The Bone was released. I don't really listen to it much. Meh.
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I think it's a great album and probably my 2nd favorite of his solo albums, but I haven't played it in months. I should go on a SW binge.
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I have a question for those of you a little more knowledgeable than I.
I noticed he's playing two gigs in mid-December at the same venue (Culture Room in Ft. Lauderdale, FL). I wouldn't think that the area would warrant two of the same show, but I haven't really been following his set-lists lately. Do you all think he'd be playing something different on the second night?
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A two nighter on the first leg featured a hugely different setlist the second night. Worth checking out setlist.fm for examples if you don't mind spoilers (although I suspect the basic setlist will be varied from that leg anyway).
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Steven Wilson (and Porcupine Tree before that) usually does two different setlists if he plays the same venue twice in a row. I'm not saying he switches the entire setlist, but I would be surprised if he doesn't at least change a couple of songs.
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I'm happy to announce 3 additional shows for the To The Bone tour in 2019:
10th Feb - Refinery Gallery, Bratislava, Slovakia
27th Feb - Glavclub, Moscow, Russia
2nd Mar - October Palace, Kyiv, Ukraine
:metal
Not a big fan of To The Bone, but he's a must see artist for me live. HCE live show was incredible.
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Whoa! September 12th! Home invasion! I guess that's the new Blu-ray release?
Saw it on his Twitter feed.
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That's in no time. I'll have to check it out.
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I don't think the release is that soon. I believe it is coming out in late October. I think the September 12th is probably for when the next trailer will be out.
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1. Intro – “Truth”
2. Nowhere Now
3. Pariah
4. Home Invasion / Regret #9
5. The Creator Has A Mastertape
6. Refuge
7. People Who Eat Darkness
8. Ancestral
9. Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
10. Permanating
11. Song Of I
12. Lazarus
13. Detonation
14. The Same Asylum As Before
15. Song Of Unborn
16. Vermillioncore
17. Sleep Together
18. Even Less
19. Blank Tapes
20. The Sound Of Muzak
21. The Raven That Refused To Sing
Rehearsals:
22. Routine
23. Hand Cannot Erase
24. Heartattack In A Layby
25. Interview
Too bad To the Bone didn't make the cut, but at least we're getting Routine and Heartattack in the extras :heart
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It's obviously not coming on September 12th, my guess that is when the promo/pre-orders/trailers are beginning to kick in.
It was up for pre-order last week on CD Japan's website, with a release date of October 19th.
For some reason, it is now gone.
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That makes more sense, I imagine all the details on the different versions being sold and preorder info will all be revealed on the 12th. An Oct release date is not too far in the future either.
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The way this year has been going October will be here in no time.
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The way this year has been going October will be here in no time.
It's just around the corner. I'd buy this on blu-ray but amazon only shows 2CD/DVD. I hope that's not the case
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Pre-orders are now live for Home Invasion! I've already pre-ordered from Burning Shed, the 2CD/1BD set (https://burningshed.com/steven-wilson_home-invasion_blu-ray_2cd?filter_tag=Steven%20Wilson), cost me $31.32 after shipping. There's also a 2CD/1DVD set (https://burningshed.com/steven-wilson_home-invasion_dvd_2cd?filter_tag=Steven%20Wilson), single sets for just the video, and a massive 5 LP set that won't ship til next March (https://burningshed.com/steven-wilson_home-invasion_boxset?filter_tag=Steven%20Wilson).
LINK TO BURNING SHED (https://burningshed.com/tag/Steven%20Wilson)
Also, the vinyl has 27 tracks on it, while the concert video only lists 21, but the bonus features on the video include 3 of those 6 extra tracks. The other three appear to be versions of "How is Your Life Today?". "Blackfield", and "Postcard" on Side 10 of the vinyl set. Were these alternate tracks on the different nights of the 3-night residence at RAH, or are they from other nights on the tour? Either way, it sucks that these 6 extra tracks probably won't be on the CD set. Might have to buy the album on digital if there's a 27-track version available.
-Marc.
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The other three appear to be versions of "How is Your Life Today?". "Blackfield", and "Postcard" on Side 10 of the vinyl set. Were these alternate tracks on the different nights of the 3-night residence at RAH, or are they from other nights on the tour?
I would be very surprised if they weren't from the solo acoustic set played on the second night.
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Shipping for the vinyl box (to Germany) is almost expensive as the item itself. Nope, sorry...
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Shipping for the vinyl box (to Germany) is almost expensive as the item itself.
As a person who pretty much has to deal with this every time ordering something from abroad, that sucks indeed.
Case in point: Haken's new album + T-shirt bundle: £27; shipping costs: £20.
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I have now relocated back to So Cal from Denmark and can only find CD/DVD as well. I’m gonna be friggin pissed if it doesn’t get released over here on BD... plus, what’s the deal with leaving the US west coast out entirely on the second leg of this tour?
There are so many great places for concerts on mainland Denmark that I refuse(d) near the end to go all the way to Copenhagen for a concert (and so missed SW since he stoped playing Århus)... But figured EVERYONE stops in or close to L.A. so thought I’d get another chance anyway... but no luck :(.
Edit: Guess I was having a bad day when I posted that lol... In the mean time looks like the BD popped up on Amazon and should be arriving on nov 2... And will just have to be patient till SW makes his way to the West Coast again :).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwtaqozGwIY
Great new interview with SW.
His best interview, in my humble opinion.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwtaqozGwIY
Great new interview with SW.
His best interview, in my humble opinion.
Wonderful interview.... thanks for the link
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwtaqozGwIY
Great new interview with SW.
His best interview, in my humble opinion.
Wonderful interview.... thanks for the link
It's nice to see an interview where the questions are as thoughtful as the responses. Really good interview.
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Excellent interview indeed! About the mandatory Porcupine Tree question, one thing that caught my atention was that SW admited explicity that, if PT had continued, they would recorded the same records from its solo career. I always felt strongly this way, specially about the last 2 SW's albums. And about this question, I think it's time to reformulate it to this one :"Would you play with Gavin Harrison again?". Personally it's what I miss most of the band. With no disrespect to Craig Bludell or any other drummer, but SW music + GH drumming is the perfect match IMO.
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Excellent interview indeed! About the mandatory Porcupine Tree question, one thing that caught my atention was that SW admited explicity that, if PT had continued, they would recorded the same records from its solo career. I always felt strongly this way, specially about the last 2 SW's albums. And about this question, I think it's time to reformulate it to this one :"Would you play with Gavin Harrison again?". Personally it's what I miss most of the band. With no disrespect to Craig Bludell or any other drummer, but SW music + GH drumming is the perfect match IMO.
I personally belive that despite PT music being great, they did the right thing by calling it quits. Many bands nowadays are making money on the back of their 2 decades old success without giving the bands a new story to get excited about. I also think that it takes a lot of courage to admit that their last output had been sub-optimal.
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Great interview!
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Excellent interview indeed! About the mandatory Porcupine Tree question, one thing that caught my atention was that SW admited explicity that, if PT had continued, they would recorded the same records from its solo career. I always felt strongly this way, specially about the last 2 SW's albums. And about this question, I think it's time to reformulate it to this one :"Would you play with Gavin Harrison again?". Personally it's what I miss most of the band. With no disrespect to Craig Bludell or any other drummer, but SW music + GH drumming is the perfect match IMO.
I miss Gavin working with Steven a lot too but I definitely think that SW would play with Gavin again. I think Gavin even recorded the drum tracks for a few songs on To The Bone. I think SW didn’t use those tracks though (I could be wrong)
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Gavin is great and all, but Richard Barbieri is the real MVP for Porcupine Tree, aside from Steven of course. The amazing atmospheres he creates with his soundscapes are what I miss from Porcupine Tree the most in Steven's solo work.
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Of the former members I most want to see SW work with again, Gavin is a distant 3rd on my list, with Edwin and Barbieri duking it out for first place.
I will check out that interview later tonight.
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I don't think he has any intention of working with them.
In fact, I would not be surprised if his next album is with a completely different set of musicians.
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Excellent interview indeed! About the mandatory Porcupine Tree question, one thing that caught my atention was that SW admited explicity that, if PT had continued, they would recorded the same records from its solo career. I always felt strongly this way, specially about the last 2 SW's albums. And about this question, I think it's time to reformulate it to this one :"Would you play with Gavin Harrison again?". Personally it's what I miss most of the band. With no disrespect to Craig Bludell or any other drummer, but SW music + GH drumming is the perfect match IMO.
I miss Gavin working with Steven a lot too but I definitely think that SW would play with Gavin again. I think Gavin even recorded the drum tracks for a few songs on To The Bone. I think SW didn’t use those tracks though (I could be wrong)
Yup, he definitely mentioned that in an interview a little while ago. That Gavin had recorded drum tracks for at least one To The Bone track but SW ended up not using his takes.
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I think Richard opened some shows for him on his last tour so it appears as if they’re on positive terms. I assumed they had a falling out of some sort near the end of PT. I’d love him to work with Steven again as he was easily my favorite part of PT. That makes Colin the only member that SW has not had any professional dealings with since PT. I wonder if he’s the one on bad terms with SW.
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Gavin is great and all, but Richard Barbieri is the real MVP for Porcupine Tree, aside from Steven of course. The amazing atmospheres he creates with his soundscapes are what I miss from Porcupine Tree the most in Steven's solo work.
That reminds me that I should check out Richards solo work sometime
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I think Richard opened some shows for him on his last tour so it appears as if they’re on positive terms. I assumed they had a falling out of some sort near the end of PT. I’d love him to work with Steven again as he was easily my favorite part of PT. That makes Colin the only member that SW has not had any professional dealings with since PT. I wonder if he’s the one on bad terms with SW.
They shared a very warm public embrace at one of the Albert Hall shows (can't recall if it was the second or third. Think it must have been the third because of where I was sat).
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Got my Blu-ray copy today from England shipped by burning shed.
Will have to check it out tonight.
Blu-ray.com's review highly recommends it.
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Burning Shed and Eagle absolutely fucked up on the distribution. About half the orders didn't get shipped until yesterday. Burning Shed knew about the issue earlier this week but couldn't be arsed to tell its customers, thereby removing the option to purchase from elsewhere on day of release. First world problem, absolutely, but deliberately shitty customer service annoys me.
Anyway, rant over.
Since I didn't have the blu-ray to salivate over yesterday, I listened to a few snippets on Spotify. OH MY LIFE! The sound of the drums! Gosh, they sound so vivid. My suggestion for everyone is to play The Creator Has a Mastertape loud. Very loud indeed! :metal
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Can't wait for everyone's thoughts about this! I have an exam on Monday, after that I will head to Vienna to get this DVD - it will be my ultimate reward :metal
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Burning Shed and Eagle absolutely fucked up on the distribution. About half the orders didn't get shipped until yesterday. Burning Shed knew about the issue earlier this week but couldn't be arsed to tell its customers, thereby removing the option to purchase from elsewhere on day of release. First world problem, absolutely, but deliberately shitty customer service annoys me.
Anyway, rant over.
Since I didn't have the blu-ray to salivate over yesterday, I listened to a few snippets on Spotify. OH MY LIFE! The sound of the drums! Gosh, they sound so vivid. My suggestion for everyone is to play The Creator Has a Mastertape loud. Very loud indeed! :metal
There's a local record shop I go to to pick up the latest CD/Blu-ray releases, and they only had the CD/DVD edition in. Even Amazon won't have the American release available until the 7th. Weird.
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I could only get to watch the first track last night and man this is hands down the his best video presentation. It looks absolutely amazing.
It sounded great as usual. I listened in stereo and didn't try the 5.1 output yet.
Regarding shipping I am honestly very surprised I got it on release day. Probably first time in my life something I pre-ordered and it came as planned.
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I forgot about this, seems amazon doesn't have the blu-ray? That's what I want so maybe I'll just wait a little bit to get it
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I forgot about this, seems amazon doesn't have the blu-ray? That's what I want so maybe I'll just wait a little bit to get it
I havn’t checked lately, but I got my pre order BD/CD in the mail yesterday from Amazon US... it wasn’t completely clear in the description when I ordered (mentioned DVD and BD) but it was the BD That I received.
Absolutely awesome BD/performance. I so do wish I could have seen him on this tour.
Edit: sorry, can see it is out of stock till the 7th.
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So . . . Steven has a stepdaughter, apparently?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BpuHCQ7gkdu/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BpuHCQ7gkdu/)
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I. Didn’t. Know. That.
I didn’t think he was dating anybody.
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I saw that two, and I was wondering about it too. Wasn't Steven always the dude who had no family so he can fully concentrate on making music?
Don't you think of making less/less good music now just because you have a girlfriend, Steven >:(
Just kidding of course.
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He went to the Prog Awards with his gf: https://www.instagram.com/p/BnrxHYtn-1n/
He also mentioned in some recent interview that he's now with a lady who has kids, which is new for him.
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Well, during the last years, he seemed more and more relaxed on stage. Maybe the girlfriend has something to do with it?
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Well, during the last years, he seemed more and more relaxed on stage. Maybe the girlfriend has something to do with it?
He's also getting older. He might be tired of his failing health. :azn:
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Listening to all of Raider II on the way home from work on a chilly, drizzly evening... :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Just finished watching Home Invasion with some friends, and when this moment came up, we laughed uncontrollably. Maybe it's because we think he looks like a Jim Henson creation. Either way, good show!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/cQ2fozCK1sBpkOaZcW/giphy.gif)
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I forgot about this, seems amazon doesn't have the blu-ray? That's what I want so maybe I'll just wait a little bit to get it
I havn’t checked lately, but I got my pre order BD/CD in the mail yesterday from Amazon US... it wasn’t completely clear in the description when I ordered (mentioned DVD and BD) but it was the BD That I received.
Absolutely awesome BD/performance. I so do wish I could have seen him on this tour.
Edit: sorry, can see it is out of stock till the 7th.
Just placed my pre-order for the CD/Blu-Ray combo. I'm really still a noob to SW. Saw him during his last tour on a whim without knowing the music and while I enjoyed the show, I haven't come back to his music. Once I get these CDs I will be rocking out to it as his concert approaches and I'll see him again more armed with his music knowledge.
Too bad I won't have Jackie to rock out with this time around
Also, reason I just did it is because I've got Nick's radio show streaming and they are playing Arriving Somewhere But Not Here from the live album and it sounds fantastic. Reminded me I should just place the order before I forget.
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I forgot about this, seems amazon doesn't have the blu-ray? That's what I want so maybe I'll just wait a little bit to get it
I havn’t checked lately, but I got my pre order BD/CD in the mail yesterday from Amazon US... it wasn’t completely clear in the description when I ordered (mentioned DVD and BD) but it was the BD That I received.
Absolutely awesome BD/performance. I so do wish I could have seen him on this tour.
Edit: sorry, can see it is out of stock till the 7th.
Just placed my pre-order for the CD/Blu-Ray combo. I'm really still a noob to SW. Saw him during his last tour on a whim without knowing the music and while I enjoyed the show, I haven't come back to his music. Once I get these CDs I will be rocking out to it as his concert approaches and I'll see him again more armed with his music knowledge.
Too bad I won't have Jackie to rock out with this time around
Also, reason I just did it is because I've got Nick's radio show streaming and they are playing Arriving Somewhere But Not Here from the live album and it sounds fantastic. Reminded me I should just place the order before I forget.
Well, here's my hero of the day. :D
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next album likely in 2020
https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/interview/steven-wilson-on-the-home-invasion-concert-film-and-touring-to-the-bone/
SDE: Does that mean we shouldn’t expect anything new next year, but more likely the year after?
I think that’s quite likely, yeah. I’m looking at Spring 2020 for the new record
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Bummer to have to wait that long, but he will deliver as always, so it will be worth the wait.
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I feel like we'll get an EP sometime in 2019, though. He's usually pretty good about that.
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The Home Invasion blu ray is beautiful. I haven't watched the entire show, but I've had a couple sessions watching a few songs here and there. The quality is superb, both picture and such crisp audio. The CDs sound fantastic in my car too (well, ripped them to my phone since my new car doesnt even have a CD player anymore). The shots from above the hall looking down are just so awesome, plus the front of the band screen with the projection came off really well on video too. Looks amazing.
Having said that, I think this confirms what I thought I might have felt before with my intro to Steven Wilson. I like his music, but not all of it. There's some stuff he does that just doesn't interest me. Then there's some stuff he does that is just amazing. I guess that's just because it's a solo prog artist, they have the freedom to go beyond any certain sound and sometimes its a hit and sometimes its a miss, for me. That goes for someone who I love like Devin Townsend as well where their music is just more than any single style.
I'll be seeing him in less than two weeks, should be a fun show. I'm expecting to go into this concert much more armed with his music knowledge though than the first time.
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If I remember correctly, a few weeks ago there was some discussion here regarding Steven Wilson's pronunciation. I've always thought he sometimes pronunces 'N's as 'L's but I didn't have any example in mind at the moment so I didn't post anything. I've been on a bit of a SW binge lately and I've got three examples now, from three different projects to boot. Please keep in mind that I'm not a native English speaker plus my hearing is so-so - it could very well be that I'm just wrong.
Porcupine Tree > Stupid Dream > Even Less
(https://youtu.be/3NrhKM3G8Mg?t=145)
And I may / just waste away / from doing Lothing
Steven Wilson > The Raven that Refused to Sing > The Raven that Refused to Sing (https://youtu.be/u4XevlloPY4?t=110)
But I Leed you Low / I Leed our former life (being generous it could be that he says "I'll need" instead of "I need")
I had a Blackfield example too but I can't find it now, will post it later if I remember.
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Native English speaker here, and you're not alone. I've always heard that line in the Raven that way.
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Earlier this week I was picking my dad up from the airport and we had enough time in my car that we listened to the entire disk 1 from the Home Invasion concert. I put it on not only because I've been listening to it a lot, but my father is a fan of classic rock and really likes good instrumentation rock music. I thought he might dig it. First comment was he saw on the screen in my car that it was live from Royal Albert hall "whoa these guys played there? why haven't I heard of them?" :lol so the venue already got his attention. He later asks what radio station plays them :lol I was thinking of saying he needs to listen to Nick's internet radio show, but I knew that would just confuse him so told him there's really no mainstream play for this music. At the end of our drive listening, he said he heard influences of Pink Floyd and Santana. Seemed he really liked it, may get him the blu-ray/cd combo I have as part of his christmas gift.
Either way, I keep listening and found a few other of his songs on youtube that I really enjoy..... Routine, wow. I wish he played this song, I am totally in love with it. Also, judging by the songs on the live album I like most, I may need to check out Porcupine Tree.
Show here in NJ is tomorrow night, I wonder how it will be since the venue is not really like any of the ones I see on his youtube live videos or something you see prog bands typically playing as it has a big pit but no real stadium style layout or seating. Plus they had 2 for 1 deals for this concert last week so I'm not sure it sold terribly well, but I have no real idea of that. Looking forward to it for sure and hoping for some different songs than the Home Invasion concert (seems he rotates a few songs)
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My mother in law, who is the spawn of Satan loved The Raven That Refused To Sing.
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Saw the show last night in philly! Great show, Steven and the boys were on fire and seemed to be having fun joking around with each other. Craig's drums sounded fantastic and he was seriously kicking it! I loves me some Nick Beggs and watching him play the Chapman stick is so Prog!!
All the material ( with the exception of the Prince cover imo) was fantastic. I loved all the PT material although like I noticed in april, something about The Sound of Muzak sounded "off" to me and I can't quit put my finger on it.
As usual, Stevens banter between songs in his quirky British humour cracked me up.
It was my first time at The Fillmore and I was really impressed with the venue. Nice and clean with a very organised, polite staff. The sound was fantastic. All in all a great night out with a tremendous band hanging with my best bud. Good times!!
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The NJ show over the weekend was really fun. They had a curtain down on one side of the venue since I guess it didn't sell the greatest, but the floor was mostly packed, felt a bit more intimate than when I saw him last time. I chilled on the side stage near the entrance so I got fist pumps from everyone except Steven himself, he kind of just ran off/onto the stage every time. The bass player was rocking out essentially with me a few times since I was really close to him. But since it wasn't very packed I moved around to the back during the meat of the sets for the better view. He said it was the 100th To The Bones tour and they switched up a couple songs for the people who saw the show in Philly the night before (and that they would switch it up some more for the next show in NY). Song of Unborn and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here were probably my favorite songs of the night. There was also a miss timing with Steven on People Who Eat Darkness which was kind of funny with the video starting but his guitar was off so he re-did the intro :lol
However, maybe the highlight of the night was Steven's banter and unexpected response from the crowd where he brought up that he saw a Bruce Springsteen guitar picture in the venue and the crowd booed for Bruce :lol Bruce is a local to the area so I was kind of shocked and so was Steven who clearly couldn't believe it.
Here is where he brings it up first: https://youtu.be/UTzQFZkrd-w?t=713 (https://youtu.be/UTzQFZkrd-w?t=713)
Then he comes back to it later in the set: https://youtu.be/UTzQFZkrd-w?t=1234 (https://youtu.be/UTzQFZkrd-w?t=1234)
And again one more time near the end briefly: https://youtu.be/UTzQFZkrd-w?t=1702 (https://youtu.be/UTzQFZkrd-w?t=1702)
oh and one more last time during the encore: https://youtu.be/UTzQFZkrd-w?t=2103 (https://youtu.be/UTzQFZkrd-w?t=2103)
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First clip is brilliant but goodness did you have someone who liked the sound of his own voice stood near you! (Sorry if it's actually you :lol)
That second one is excellent, too :biggrin:
I know a lot of people don't like them, but I could listen to Steven's monologues for two hours and go home happy. (Nice fairy tale reference in the third one :lol)
Your comment re Routine a couple of posts back: it's an incredible song, one that has actually reduced me to tears on a couple of occasions live (we've seen it performed by Ninet live more often than not, curiously). Combine it with Jess Cope's animation and it becomes even more powerful.
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Native English speaker here, and you're not alone. I've always heard that line in the Raven that way.
I always figured it was an (intentionally left-in) autotune artifact in Raven...hadn't thought about the others.
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loved Steven's comment about Prince (yes, he never left, as he is "one of us" being Minnesotan).
also a lot of Bruce Springsteen stuff is great, namely the 70's stuff. Jungleland = stone cold prog classic.
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Today is the 25 year anniversary of the 1st Porcupine Tree concert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej_9eswpHjI
25 years ago today, on the 4th December 1993, Porcupine Tree made its first ever live appearance at the Nag's Head in High Wycombe, UK. By then 2 albums and an EP had been released under the name (and a third one was half finished), all of which gave the impression that Porcupine Tree was a band, when in fact it was a solo project, just me messing about in my bedroom studio, although Colin and Richard had both guested on one song each on Up the Downstair released earlier that year. Positive press and a growing fanbase had led to increased pressure for live appearances, so in late 1993 I asked 3 brilliant musicians I knew, Colin Edwin (from my home town of Hemel Hempstead), Richard Barbieri and Chris Maitland (both of whom had played with my other band no-man) to join me in forming a real band line up of the project. For some reason they all agreed, and on the strength of the buzz about the project, Richard Allen at my then record company Delerium managed to book this show, as well as 2 others and a BBC radio session. After one week of rehearsals this was our first ever gig in front of an audience, performing a 7 song, 70 minute set in a backroom of a pub to about 200 people that had traveled from all over the country. The first song played was Voyage 34. which you can find elsewhere on the web, but here is a mixing desk recording of the second song Always Never. This would have also been the first time I had sung in front of an audience, at least since the days of my various school bands, so I can only imagine now how nervous I must have been at the prospect!
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Is there any opening act before Steven Wilson comes on?
Last time he came down to Florida, he had John Wesley do a short set for about 30-40 mins before the band came on.
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I attended the Starland Ballroom show on Saturday night. Earlier that day me and my girlfriend went to Vintage Vinyl in Fords, NJ to get our DVDs signed by Steven. The line was long but Steven was very nice, chatting to anyone who wanted to chat and took pictures with everyone. It was great meeting him!
The show was fantastic, as usual. I saw the show earlier this year at Keswick and I wasn't too much in favor of standing for the whole night (I'm 57 and standing for long amounts of time are murder on my back and legs) but we found a railing at the back, which was not really too far from the stage and it made it bearable. The band was on fire, I love Blundell's drumming and the rest of the guys are amazing too. So glad I decided to do this concert (at the insistence of my girlfriend, who would probably run off with SW if he asked! :D )
Steven's speeches about Bruce and Bon Jovi and Sinatra were very funny. I know he seems like a very self-important guy, but from what I have seen, he is a nice guy.
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Is there any opening act before Steven Wilson comes on?
Last time he came down to Florida, he had John Wesley do a short set for about 30-40 mins before the band came on.
Hi, no opener for the show in NJ on Saturday.
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He is going to have John Wesley as opener for the Florida dates only I believe.
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How did Florida get so unlucky?
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What do you mean? John Wesley's stuff is really good. I enjoyed his set when he did it last time.
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How did Florida get so unlucky?
John's from Tampa, if I'm not mistaken. His opening set was...interesting. Just him playing with himself. So to speak.
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What do you mean? John Wesley's stuff is really good. I enjoyed his set when he did it last time.
Saw him in Utrecht opening for Marillion. Let's just say I didn't like what he did...
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How did Florida get so unlucky?
Is it just me or is John always the worst performer on the live PT stuff? Some of his solos just leave me going wtf?!?!
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Yep, his solos were atrocious. I was so looking forward to Dark Matter on the Anesthetize live DVD, only to see it and realize that Wilson let him play one of the solos, which he butchered beyond belief.
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My mother in law, who is the spawn of Satan loved The Raven That Refused To Sing.
:lol my bedtime iPod music usually ends with Drive Home and The Raven That Refused To Sing.
Going to see SW Monday night in Nashville. Another standing concert for me.
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Yep, his solos were atrocious. I was so looking forward to Dark Matter on the Anesthetize live DVD, only to see it and realize that Wilson let him play one of the solos, which he butchered beyond belief.
*shudders* you just reminded me a memory I thought was long lost
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Yep, his solos were atrocious. I was so looking forward to Dark Matter on the Anesthetize live DVD, only to see it and realize that Wilson let him play one of the solos, which he butchered beyond belief.
I just watched it and didn't know this song before at all. Honestly, good band, but this video shows why I like SW solo a lot better than Porcupine Tree. The song is very good (very Floydesque in the verses!), but man, what a "real" lead guitarist could have done with those two solos! Imagine what the Govanator would have done here? Think of Ancestral or Drive Home...
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Yep, his solos were atrocious. I was so looking forward to Dark Matter on the Anesthetize live DVD, only to see it and realize that Wilson let him play one of the solos, which he butchered beyond belief.
I just watched it and didn't know this song before at all. Honestly, good band, but this video shows why I like SW solo a lot better than Porcupine Tree. The song is very good (very Floydesque in the verses!), but man, what a "real" lead guitarist could have done with those two solos! Imagine what the Govanator would have done here? Think of Ancestral or Drive Home...
Listen to the studio version of Dark Matter. Wilson's solos are masterful.
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As the show gets closer to Nashville, noticed that the 2 North Carolina shows are sold out. One venue capacity is 750 and the other 1,050. Hope we have a good crowd in Nashville. The venue holds 1K.
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Going to the show this Saturday in Ft. Lauderdale
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Listen to the studio version of Dark Matter. Wilson's solos are masterful.
Quoted just for emphasis. Studio Dark Matter is one of PT's best songs without a doubt imo and the solos are a big part of that. The live version... I honestly don't know how SW let that make it to the DVD to be honest. It's beyond horrible.
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And it's not like it was just a bad night for John. The Anesthetize DVD and the Atlanta live album were recorded about a year apart and there's really no change or improvement between either version of his solo on Dark Matter. Hell, his solo early on in Anesthetize(The song) is even worse on both DVDs. It's like he runs out of ideas after 2 bars and then just noodles aimlessly until it's over. :tdwn
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One of the things that Steven said to John was that he didn't want the solos to be like in the studio albums. Steven gave him a green light to do what he does. Usually, that's what he does when he brings other players.
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Listen to the studio version of Dark Matter. Wilson's solos are masterful.
Quoted just for emphasis. Studio Dark Matter is one of PT's best songs without a doubt imo and the solos are a big part of that. The live version... I honestly don't know how SW let that make it to the DVD to be honest. It's beyond horrible.
Nah, it's not beyond horrible. It's not God-tier as the studio version, but it was nice to have that song documented. I thought that the extra small things Harrison played and some of the extra synth textures were nice.
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One of the things that Steven said to John was that he didn't want the solos to be like in the studio albums. Steven gave him a green light to do what he does. Usually, that's what he does when he brings other players.
*Wonders how Guthrie would've handled the solos*
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Nah, it's not beyond horrible. It's not God-tier as the studio version, but it was nice to have that song documented. I thought that the extra small things Harrison played and some of the extra synth textures were nice.
I meant Wesley's solo sorry, the way I worded it sounds like I'm bashing the whole song.
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Went the Nashville show last night. The venue holds about 1K and looked to be about 750 or so in attendance. The venue is an old converted warehouse and the overall sound was great. Steven does a great job involving the audience with his stories. The funniest one he told was about a festival in Turkey this past summer. A kid turned his back to the band when they played the pop song Permanating. He stated the kid had one of those black metal t-shirts that was designed so that you could not see the band name.
The highlight for me was Detonation and Sleep Together. I am not too fond of the studio version of Detonation, but it rocked live. It was nice a surprise that they played Routine(apparently for the first time in a while), but we did not get Arriving Somewhere. All of the musicians were good, but the bass player was on fire and was really enjoying himself.
Before the final two songs of the encore, Steven apologized that the final 2 were sort of downer songs and probably not the songs to send the audience off with, but he would play them anyway. The two songs were the Sound of Muzak and The Raven Refused to Sing.
If you get a chance to see the show, well worth the money.
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Given his current thing about playing to standing audiences only, I am a little surprised he didn't tweak the set list to close the show with a couple of rockers. He should play Permanating in the encore just to bug the prog snobs who can't deal with a good pop song. :biggrin:
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The highlight for me was Detonation and...
Completely agree with you on this point. I too am not crazy for this song on the album, but thought it was awesome live.
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Given his current thing about playing to standing audiences only, I am a little surprised he didn't tweak the set list to close the show with a couple of rockers. He should play Permanating in the encore just to bug the prog snobs who can't deal with a good pop song. :biggrin:
Why would he play a mediocre pop song to do it? :biggrin:
I'd be bummed not getting Arriving Somewhere after it was heavily featured in the previous shows. I hope it returns to the setlist eventually.
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I am not too fond of the studio version of Detonation, but it rocked live.
It does, doesn't it? I thought the live presentation was fabulous (dancing figures) although I've always loved the instrumental part of the song, especially when played loud. Very loud. (Which might explain why I've developed tinnitus in my left ear over the last year, alas.)
All of the musicians were good, but the bass player was on fire and was really enjoying himself.
That'll be Sir Nicholas Beggs. Fascinating chap and career, look him up.
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All of the musicians were good, but the bass player was on fire and was really enjoying himself.
That'll be Sir Nicholas Beggs. Fascinating chap and career, look him up.
Agreed, there were moments when I felt like he was playing just for me and showing off :lol Really enjoyed his playing and I am not familiar with him at all. And he gave me a fist bump :metal
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His first band professionally was Kajagoogoo. An 80's pop band and the big single was Too Shy.
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All of the musicians were good, but the bass player was on fire and was really enjoying himself.
That'll be Sir Nicholas Beggs. Fascinating chap and career, look him up.
Agreed, there were moments when I felt like he was playing just for me and showing off :lol Really enjoyed his playing and I am not familiar with him at all. And he gave me a fist bump :metal
When Steven introduced the band during the encore, he stated now the only girl in our band(Sir Nicholas Beggs) and Sir Nicholas replied it takes a woman to keep you all in line.
After seeing the long set by Steven Wilson with no opening act, I hope someday to see Haken do a show with no opening bands. When I saw them a couple of weeks ago the set just flew by with me wanting more. With Steven Wilson, I needed or wanted no more after the long set list because my legs were jelly and hurting. :lol
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Going to the concert now. Does Steven come on exactly at 8?
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Going to the concert now. Does Steven come on exactly at 8?
Not for the Florida dates. John Wesley will be opening for those shows.
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In other words, don't show up until like 8:45. :lol :lol
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In other words, don't show up until like 8:45. :lol :lol
Would kill to see JW open up in Texas.
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John pkayed about 30 minutes. Steven Wilson started at 845. He said the show will go on til midnight.
20 minutes break right now
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Concert was amazing! After the show met Adam, John and Alex who were hanging out at the merchandise desk.
I think it was the same setlist as Atlanta with the exception of blackfield we got even less instead.
Nick was on fire as was Craig.
Loved the bit where Steven said at the show in Japan the audience was clapping out of time and they've been trying to mess with Craig ever since by going up to him during some sections and clapping in the wrong time.
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:lol nice
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Setlist for those who want to know
Set 1:
1. Nowhere Now
2. Pariah
3. Home Invasion
4. Regret #9
5. The Creator Has a Mastertape (Porcupine Tree song)
6. Refuge
7. The Same Asylum as Before
8. Ancestral
Set 2:
9. Arriving Somewhere but Not Here (Porcupine Tree song)
10. Permanating
11. Song of I
12. Lazarus (Porcupine Tree song)
13. Detonation
14. Heartattack in a Layby (Porcupine Tree song)
15. Vermillioncore
16. Sleep Together (Porcupine Tree song)
Encore:
17. Even Less (SW electric guitar with amp on stage playing solo) (Porcupine Tree song)
18. Sign “☮” the Times (Prince cover)
19. The Sound of Muzak (Porcupine Tree song)
20. The Raven That Refused to Sing
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i really hope he keeps Raven as his set closer. Seen it on HCE and TTB tour now, and it's just a perfect ending to an evening of his music. (until he writes something even better of course if possible)
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I really liked the show I caught and can't complain, but man I would've freaked out to hear Even Less, Arriving Somewhere... and Heartattack In a Layby.
Maybe next time
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I really liked the show I caught and can't complain, but man I would've freaked out to hear Even Less, Arriving Somewhere... and Heartattack In a Layby.
Maybe next time
+ 1 on Heartattack In a Layby... love that song and would love to see it performed live. Really wish he was stopping by the West coast on this leg.
Oh, well... at least I finally get to see Gavin Harrison live as I just bought my tickets to King Crimson at The Greek Theater here in L.A. ;D. Last time I saw them there was on the Beat tour...
Edit: damn, forgot it was part of the extras on the new BD.
Edit 2: I would also LOVE to see him do Mellotron Scratch Live... The whole song but especially the last couple minutes from 5:05 :hefdaddy
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Heartattack in a layby was a surprise for me. I too forgot about it being an extra on the concert Blu-ray. All the songs were awesome to witness.
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Oh, well... at least I finally get to see Gavin Harrison live as I just bought my tickets to King Crimson at The Greek Theater here in L.A. ;D.
You'll be in for a treat. Fripp smiles during one of the last encore songs when Gavin does a solo. When Fripp smiles, you listen and watch.
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Thanks for the tip. Will keep an eye out for it. Can’t wait, but damn sept is a long way off yet.
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Finally watched the entire Home Invasion bluray. The sound and video is breathtakingly amazing. I heard the concert on my Sennheiser HD 6xx and what a joy to listen in stereo. I so wish the other nights were recorded esp night 2 at the Albert Hall. This is probably my favorite concert video of Steven Wilsons'.
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It's probably the best sounding and best looking concert blu-ray I own, and I have quite a collection now.
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I was lucky enough to be at all three of those shows. For me, the third night was the least best partially because Steven didn't speak anywhere near as much as the other two nights although I get why, and also because the venue was simply too well lit so some of the atmosphere was lost. That was presumably for filming purposes. Obviously you can't tell how comparatively bright it was on the blu-ray because it's been processed back to how it appeared on the first two nights. Score was the same.
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What I would give to have been at all those three shows.
I too noticed how little Steven spoke on the bluray show. I just assumed it was to save time, no complaints though. At the actual concert that I saw a few days ago, he was his talkative self.
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Yea I just assumed they cut out most of the banter even though he did say at one point he wasn't going to go on
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Saw SW last night in San Antonio for the last show of the US tour. Steven was sick and stuggled a lot in the high notes/falsetto sections. He seemed to be frustrated at this and said “fuck, I can’t sing this” cutting the lines he was singing. Sometimes the crowd picked up the slack, sometime we didn’t. We got to hear Permanating which was about 1/2 instrumental since Steven couldn’t sing it. Highlight of the night for me was Arriving Somewhere...God i miss that metal sound that SW has with his PRS guitar. Overal, much better experience than the Phoenix gig earlier this year. Craig is a monster on drums and Alex was great. It was a fun show.
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Really sucks about him being sick, I wonder if Nick or Alex could've filled in at parts. Like how John would essentially sing lead verses on many songs during PT's tours.
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Always sucks when someone in the band is sick. It's tough because at my desk job I can completely do it while sick but performing is completely different, especially singing. I was with my gf when we saw barenaked ladies and the lead singer was incredibly sick. He looked like he was going to pass out at any moment, obviously the show wasn't that great (especially compared to previous times we've seen them) but it was admirable to see him get through a 2 hour set.
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I believe JP was sick with a cold when performing Score (I think you can see him sniff a few times). I know there were touch-ups on the DVD but I remember people who attended the show saying he still played like a champ. Oddly enough my first DT concert was in London on the ToT tour and he was sick then as well.
If Steven was sick during the recording of the Albert Hall show, now that would really have sucked. I wonder what they would've done in that case.
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Maybe studio magic or rescheduled the shows. But agreed that it sucks for these guys to get sick, cool he did his best and didn't cancel the show, but also good for him the tour is over so he can recover.
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I believe JP was sick with a cold when performing Score (I think you can see him sniff a few times). I know there were touch-ups on the DVD but I remember people who attended the show saying he still played like a champ. Oddly enough my first DT concert was in London on the ToT tour and he was sick then as well.
Yeah, JP was right rough that night and looked it, too, from about four rows back. Never would have known it from the way he played, though.
Your first DT concert: was that the 17th January 2004? That was my first DT concert, too, and my birthday! :biggrin:
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I believe JP was sick with a cold when performing Score (I think you can see him sniff a few times). I know there were touch-ups on the DVD but I remember people who attended the show saying he still played like a champ. Oddly enough my first DT concert was in London on the ToT tour and he was sick then as well.
Yeah, JP was right rough that night and looked it, too, from about four rows back. Never would have known it from the way he played, though.
Your first DT concert: was that the 17th January 2004? That was my first DT concert, too, and my birthday! :biggrin:
Yeah unforgettable night. First time dt were doing the evening with tours and watching the 3 hour set was something else .I'm super glad they released a video of the tour as well .
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Finally watched the blu ray; as much as I miss PT and all, I have to say he raised the bar again! Fantastic sound, vision and setlist. Love Arriving Somewhere on it, one of his best songs ever afaic. This concert film is also miles ahead of Get All You Deserve as it doesn’t suffer from Marco Minneman’s tinny snaredrum. It’s just fantastic except for Permanating. It’s a funny song for him but I have to say, even live it falls a bit flat.
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Last year, I ran a Steven Wilson tournament over at Polls & Survivors, which went pretty well. Nothing's set in stone yet, but recently the thought has entered my mind about potentially doing it again for the new year. Unlike a survivor, a lot of this tournament as far as which songs go up against each other relies on the luck of the draw, which means we won't have exactly the same tournament as last year. It's just a thought, but all of a sudden I'm rather excited by the prospect of doing this again.
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Hey all
just got an e-mail from Rocket 88 books, announcing that they are having a sale, selling many of their books at half price, including Rich Wilson's biography on Porcupine Tree. So if you've been sitting on the fence on whether to pick it up, now would be a good time to do so!
https://rocket88books.com/collections/porcupine-tree?utm_source=Rocket+88&utm_campaign=238ffe7efb-New_Year_sale_1&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3673dcadbc-238ffe7efb-380242493&goal=0_3673dcadbc-238ffe7efb-380242493&mc_cid=238ffe7efb&mc_eid=f77dbcb771
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I'd love to buy it but with 58 GBP for shipping I think I'll pass :'(
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Still waiting on the ebook. I know they said there will be none, but then Steven Wilson once said that his music wouldn't be on spotify.
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Still waiting on the ebook. I know they said there will be none, but then Steven Wilson once said that his music wouldn't be on spotify.
The difference is, SW had nothing to do with the making or publication of this book. :P
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I know, I just used it as an analogy.
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Fair enough.
Has Lifting Shadows ever come out as an ebook btw?
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I'd love to buy it but with 58 GBP for shipping I think I'll pass :'(
If you are refering to shipping for the book mentioned above, that seems like an awful lot... the shipping price shown for me is just under 15 USD (to So Cal).
I have not ordered yet but am thinking about it... has anyone read it? is it good?
On a side note, I bought the new BD, love it, but wish there were a digital copy included (would've liked to be able to watch it on my phone or iPad while at the gym etc). I've had luck ripping other stuff (strictly for personal use) before with Handbrake, but not with this.
Edit: Can see it is available on iTunes... am buying (again) for convenience, but not thrilled about having to do so (after already buying the double CD/BD version to begin with).
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I came up with the worst joke ever:
What did the snare drum say to Steven Wilson in the 80s?
"Don't Gate Me"
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:facepalm:
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I came up with the worst joke ever:
What did the snare drum say to Steven Wilson in the 80s?
"Don't Gate Me"
Mike Mangini with DT: Hold my beer :biggrin: :lol
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Saw SW live last night in Helsinki :metal Not the best gig I've seen by him (only because the second leg of the HCE tour set the bar really high), but I enjoyed it more than the one last year, mainly because I had a much better view this time. There was a lot of joking around, such as the guys lying down during Ancestral and going up to Craig and clapping out of time next to him in an attempt to throw him off. However, during the intermission Steven learned of Talk Talk frontman Mark Hollis' death and was in a slightly more somber mood for the rest of the show - he dedicated Song of Unborn to him, which was nice. It was cool to hear Don't Hate Me again after a bit of a break, as well as one of my SW solo faves, Get All You Deserve, for the first time, and he even played an acoustic version of PT's Sentimental with Adam in the encore. An amusing thing I paid attention to was that while Permanating gets a lot of hate online, people go bananas for it when it gets played live. By contrast, Get All You Deserve, No Twilight... and Index got a pretty subdued reaction last night.
I also attended the VIP event before the show - I don't usually buy those kinds of packages, because I don't find the typical meet-and-greets interesting, but this one included an exclusive signed live CD and a 3-song soundcheck instead, so I decided to shell out the bucks for it. SW performed Trains acoustically and Sectarian with the whole band, and finally Adam played a piano version of Abandoner. The soundcheck had been advertised as including 3 acoustic songs by Steven, but he explained that he has to save his voice for the shows, which is why he only sings Trains in the soundchecks now. I haven't listened to the CD yet, but all-in-all I'd say the experience was worth the price :tup I even managed to get a guitar pick, as one of the techs was handing those out to us while we were waiting for Steven to arrive.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0SATBuX0AAaSzS.jpg:small)
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The M&G thing has never really interested me, but a signed CD and being able to watch the soundcheck is extremely interesting. Sounds like a good time.
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Saw SW live last night in Helsinki :metal Not the best gig I've seen by him (only because the second leg of the HCE tour set the bar really high), but I enjoyed it more than the one last year, mainly because I had a much better view this time. There was a lot of joking around, such as the guys lying down during Ancestral and going up to Craig and clapping out of time next to him in an attempt to throw him off.
I also attended the VIP event before the show - I don't usually buy those kinds of packages, because I don't find the typical meet-and-greets interesting, but this one included an exclusive signed live CD and a 3-song soundcheck instead, so I decided to shell out the bucks for it. SW performed Trains acoustically and Sectarian with the whole band, and finally Adam played a piano version of Abandoner. The soundcheck had been advertised as including 3 acoustic songs by Steven, but he explained that he has to save his voice for the shows, which is why he only sings Trains in the soundchecks now. I haven't listened to the CD yet, but all-in-all I'd say the experience was worth the price :tup I even managed to get a guitar pick, as one of the techs was handing those out to us while we were waiting for Steven to arrive.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0SATBuX0AAaSzS.jpg:small)
We had pretty much the same experience in Hamburg, picks included. What's curious is that it seemed to me SW actually played with different picks on stage.
Also I'm seeing him tonight again, we'll see if he changes anything.
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A few minutes until the show. Also spotted Marjana from iamthemorning in the crowd. :P
Edit: The Creator Had a Mastertape instead of Don't Hate Me, not bad already! And Refuge, holy shit.
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I love Refuge. What a great song.
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I love Refuge. What a great song.
I was sad they didn't play it a week ago.
Now I just hope Arrival Somewhere but not Here will also be played now that they're changing the setlist.
Edit: YEEESSSSSSSSSS and also Heartattack in a Layby wow
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Playing all those songs in Russia makes sense, considering that SW hadn't played there on this tour yet. Arriving was my favorite part of the show on the first leg, so I'm happy for you :tup
We had pretty much the same experience in Hamburg, picks included. What's curious is that it seemed to me SW actually played with different picks on stage.
Yeah, I bet most guitarists don't actually play with the picks that their bands sell in the merch booths, but at least they look nice :P
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Playing all those songs in Russia makes sense, considering that SW hadn't played there on this tour yet. Arriving was my favorite part of the show on the first leg, so I'm happy for you :tup
Thank you! The whole two different shows thing ended up in a best case scenario possible. I worried a bit about getting the same setlist and instead got five different songs (the fifth being Even Less), and a lot of the regular songs like Ancestral, Lazarus or Raven are the ones I absolutely don't mind hearing again and again.
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They probably have a cheaper one to hand out so they can make them in mass quantities and then they play with one they enjoy using more. That's just my guess.
Also having seen SW on two shows, I was happy to have gotten Arriving Somewhere both times. That's just such a fantastic song, and then we got a rotation of maybe 5 other songs. I was happy.
Evermind, did he have the projection set up with the see through screen in front of the band? He only had that on one of the two shows I saw and it was really cool stage production that the second time I was really bummed they just had a backdrop behind them.
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Evermind, did he have the projection set up with the see through screen in front of the band? He only had that on one of the two shows I saw and it was really cool stage production that the second time I was really bummed they just had a backdrop behind them.
He had it for the intro film, Nowhere Now, Pariah (with Ninet projection singing her parts), Song of I, Lazarus and Vermillioncore for both Hamburg and Moscow shows. It was pretty great, but there was one side-effect I didn't notice the first time around, but definitely noticed in Moscow where I didn't go for the first row: pretty much everyone in front of me whipped out their phones and started taking videos for Song of I. And Steven literally said he would appreciate people not doing that a few minutes before that. :lol
They probably have a cheaper one to hand out so they can make them in mass quantities and then they play with one they enjoy using more. That's just my guess.
This makes sense. The pick looks pretty good though.
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Ah thats cool you got it for both shows. Why did he ask for no videos from that song? I don't recall him asking that when he played it in NJ.
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Ah thats cool you got it for both shows. Why did he ask for no videos from that song? I don't recall him asking that when he played it in NJ.
It wasn't for that song, it's just before playing Permanating (and then Song of I) he had a talking spot where he said something along the lines of "I see a lot of people with iPhones and whatnot filming the show... well, just saying folks, I recently spent a lot of time and funds making this video of one of my shows, releasing it on Blu-Ray and all, and I can certainly guarantee you guys the quality there is better than your shitty iPhone videos. And, you know, I'm just saying. So how about you guys just cut it out with the filming? I mean, just saying, you aren't annoying me, but I can assure you, you're definitely annoying the person right behind you."
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oh one of those types of speeches :lol we also didn't get that in NJ, it wasn't a very well attended show though (compared to say the show he played in Denver)
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oh one of those types of speeches :lol we also didn't get that in NJ, it wasn't a very well attended show though (compared to say the show he played in Denver)
Well, up until this tour, he'd have notices posted around the venue clearly stating no recording of any kind. And security was incredibly hot on it in the UK, at least. This tour was definitely more relaxed in that regard. Shame, in my opinion, because it weakened the atmosphere. But hey, not everyone feels the same, I get that.
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oh one of those types of speeches :lol we also didn't get that in NJ, it wasn't a very well attended show though (compared to say the show he played in Denver)
Well, up until this tour, he'd have notices posted around the venue clearly stating no recording of any kind. And security was incredibly hot on it in the UK, at least. This tour was definitely more relaxed in that regard. Shame, in my opinion, because it weakened the atmosphere. But hey, not everyone feels the same, I get that.
Cameras were actually banned in Helsinki this week - maybe it depends on the venue or he decided to return to that policy following the DVD release.
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I was not aware, there was no policy like that in Denver before the live album release or in NJ after the album release. I actually thought he was OK with it, but if his issue is more about bothering others, I know for both those shows I can safely say I wasn't bothering anyone as no one was behind me either shows :lol
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but if his issue is more about bothering others
I HATE it when I have to watch a gig through the smart phone-/whatever-device-screen of the guy/gal in front of me.
Just as much as people talking all the way during the gig.
But that's all another topic...
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but if his issue is more about bothering others
I HATE it when I have to watch a gig through the smart phone-/whatever-device-screen of the guy/gal in front of me.
Just as much as people talking all the way during the gig.
But that's all another topic...
No, it's relevant. I didn't care about it when I was in the first row, but fuck is it annoying to see people in front of you filming. It's not even a good quality or anything, they're quite far from the stage, as I am.
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Steven complimented the crowd in Tampa for enjoying the show in its entirety with very minimal phone recording.
He said he's never seen a show so dedicated to just watching the performance. He was like what is wrong with you guys. Lol.
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Steven Wilson is also into Carl Sagan and PBD stuff !! He just released a VC for the Song of Unborn inspired by Carl Sagan...IMO he should have chosen a different topic given that a large part of his audience are DT fans, anyway...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXki_m6bF7o
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Eh? You know that Song of Unborn was recorded (and almost certainly, written) well before Pale Blue Dot, right? And that the video was used from early on in the To the Bone tour, as soon as Jess Cope had finished it?
And why on earth would Steven Wilson modify his material or approach because some Dream Theater fans are also part of his audience?
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I am fully aware that the Song of Unborn was recorded and released way before PBD, however the video I was referring to was only released on SW youtube channel last week, and I never knew that this video was previously displayed during the tour.
I guess my post shows clearly that I was not aware that the video was used or created in the past, but obviously not that clear to you (given the fact that you used almost half a dozen of questions marks in two sentences).
Anyway...
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Steven posted a clip on his Instagram from the recording of his new album he just started.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx8PdcTAhnS/
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Love the keyboard tone on that clip. Since he's recording it now I imagine he's written the album already. I'm guessing an early 2020 release.
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Love the keyboard tone on that clip. Since he's recording it now I imagine he's written the album already. I'm guessing an early 2020 release.
likely so, yes. (IIRC, he mentioned a 2020 release last year already when the promotion for Home Invasion happened)
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https://www.instagram.com/stevenwilsonhq/
"stevenwilsonhq
No matter what music and artists come and go in my life and listening habits, one remains constant. There is a song on my next record which I thought of as my electro soul ballad in which I was somehow channelling Marvin Gaye (ok, stop laughing now). But everyone I play it to compares it only to the mighty Floyd. So it seems I just can’t get away from it, and why would I want to? They are in my DNA, my “Beatles”. Thanks to Lana T for the vintage t-shirt. Enjoy the Summer! #bandtshirt @pinkfloyd"
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https://progreport.com/steven-wilson-to-release-new-deluxe-2-disc-cd-blu-ray-edition-of-hand-cannot-erase
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Is there anything new on this reissue?
The standard HCE album and BR edition and nothing more?
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There doesn't seem to be anything new on it, as far as I can tell, by comparing the Discogs listing (https://www.discogs.com/Steven-Wilson-Hand-Cannot-Erase/release/6707231) with the one provided by The Prog Report.
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bump.
at 1 time this seemed incredibly unlikely.
But dude tied the knot
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2ZzSLoAfkI/
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Looked very formal, if his attire is any indication. :lol
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Looks like he married the first girl who wasn't a man. I wonder if he laughed as the spiders ran all over his hand? ;)
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Saw that on instagram, good for him, he looks happy.
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Anyone know who she is?
Looks the spitting image of Ninet Tayeb in that picture to me...
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I don't think it's Ninet. Pretty sure she is married to Joseph Mizrachi
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I don't think it's Ninet. Pretty sure she is married to Joseph Mizrachi
I'm pretty sure it's not Ninet too.... but she looked strikingly similar to me
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She's also from Israel, i guess that's why
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Sources says her name is Rotem Rom.
https://www.facebook.com/rotemrom (https://www.facebook.com/rotemrom)
https://www.reddit.com/r/stevenwilson/comments/d4793a/steven_got_married/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/stevenwilson/comments/d4793a/steven_got_married/)
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no-man will release Love You To Bits, its first studio album for eleven years on 22nd November 2019. Pre-order now: https://no-man.lnk.to/LoveYouToBitsSo
A gloriously ambitious statement unlike anything in its back catalogue, the album consists of two connected five-part pieces and combines shimmering Pop and pulsating Electronica elements in fresh and surprising ways (incorporating aspects of Fusion, Ambient and much more).
Twenty-five years in the making and lyrically chronicling the aftermath of a relationship from different perspectives, Love You To Bits features poignant melodies, big beats and breathtaking solos that collide with ethereal textures and bold experiments to create the most dynamic and diverse no-man release to date.
Adam Holzman, David Kollar, Ash Soan, Pete Morgan, and the Dave Desmond Brass Quintet guest.
Produced by no-man, the album was mixed by Bruno Ellingham and mastered by Matt Colton.
https://youtu.be/vAvQ-ckcNS4
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The album is just under 36 minutes long, and consists of two 5-part suites that take up a vinyl side each. The preview sounds groovy, and simultaneously sounds like nothing they've done before but also very much like no-man! Can't wait for this album!
-Marc.
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I'm excited both for No-Man and Steven's Marriage. She looks really pretty and he looks really happy to marry her, too; I'm honestly Glad for the man. And I've really been looking forward to No-Man since Schoolyard Ghosts left me wanting for more a long time ago. Honestly Glad for no-man.
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anyone else see the Instagram clips?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3xF2vtApzn/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3zpMIUg389/
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I am so ready for Steven-Wilson-bubblegum-80s-synthpop in which he criticises consumerism! Seriously psyched right now!
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anyone else see the Instagram clips?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3xF2vtApzn/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3zpMIUg389/
somewhat remisicent of Radiohead in some ways (think Fitter Happier), but then again, anyone is better than Radiohead. That being said, I like the idea he had with these two.
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The first bit of music in the second clip sounded like Voulez-Vous-era ABBA. Like he's taken Permanating to the next level.
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The first bit of music in the second clip sounded like Voulez-Vous-era ABBA. Like he's taken Permanating to the next level.
that too (of course) and I'm sure that can be a good thing
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I'd honestly be down for a complete album with songs like that. Make it twelve tracks, all four minute long dancy songs. I know Steven would make them jam packed with musicianship, catchiness and good lyrics.
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Might be a dumb question, but are these teasers related to the new no-man album? I've never actually listened to no-man so I have no clue.
Also, I'm supporting anything Steven does. Although Permanating is by far my least favorite song from his solo catalogue, I would be pretty cool with some more pop.
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I'd honestly be down for a complete album with songs like that. Make it twelve tracks, all four minute long dancy songs. I know Steven would make them jam packed with musicianship, catchiness and good lyrics.
I was just going to post exactly this...
Might be a dumb question, but are these teasers related to the new no-man album? I've never actually listened to no-man so I have no clue.
no-man is more quiet, atmospheric and the most songs I know of them have no or very little drums... I don't think it's a teaser for their new album. Here is a song by them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8-WLOPIHNI
Btw, as I was listening to the link I just postet myself, I realised how beautiful this is and now I'm going to listen to the whole album :lol
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While the new No-Man is supposedly disco music, SW doesn't sing there and judging by the snippets that's SW.
I would be down for a poppy SW album as well, I love variety and I like it when artists take risks and don't just stick to their traditional sound out of fear that the grumpy fanboys will start hating them if they try something different.
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I want him to make an entire album full of Permanating-like songs, just to aggravate the fans who lost their mind over it. :P :lol
Jokes aside, I agree with you, Zantera, and I have the upmost faith that SW will continue to mix it up on every album while maintaining the high overall quality. :tup :tup
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Those clips are definitely intriguing. The one from today and the last one prior had some disco-esque samples and I wonder if he's headed towards a more 70s-80s synth pop sound.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YkURKMLT0g
"ARENA SHOWS ACROSS EUROPE AND UK
SEPTEMBER 2020
“Every time I make a new album, it's hugely important for me that it holds a unique place in my catalogue and won't simply be more of the same. Moving into the third decade of the 21st century and my second decade as a touring solo artist, it felt like time to apply the same philosophy to the live experience. I want to challenge myself to create something that confronts my own notions (and hopefully the audience's too) of how to present my music in a concert situation. This has become The Future Bites - a series of special events at larger venues, something on a grander and more immersive scale. I'm already hugely excited about them!” - SW
The Future Bites - September 2020:
Thu 17th - Motorpoint Arena Nottingham, UK 🇬🇧
Sat 19th - The O2, London, UK 🇬🇧
Mon 21st - Zenith Paris - La Villette, France 🇫🇷
Wed 23rd - Mediolanum Forum, Milan, Italy 🇮🇹
Fri 25th - König-Pilsener-ARENA, Oberhausen, Germany 🇩🇪
Sat 26th - Sporthalle, Hamburg, Germany 🇩🇪
Mon 28th - Ziggo Dome, Amsterdam, Holland 🇳🇱
Weds 30th - COS Torwar, Warsaw, Poland 🇵🇱
http://stevenwilsonhq.com
http://facebook.com/stevenwilsonhq
http://twitter.com/stevenwilsonhq
http://instagram.com/stevenwilsonhq"
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Interesting. I am inclined to think the smaller scale works best for his type of music, but I also think Steven is the kind of guy very well aware of that and will do everything to accomodate for an immersive larger show. But Ziggodome is quite big (17000), it will be interesting to see how much he manages to fill, though I guess the outer rings can be closed off.
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I just hope "The Future Bites" isn't the name of the next album :lol
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To celebrate The Future Bites Tour, there will be a very limited edition vinyl of my forthcoming sixth album (details/release date TBC). These are available to pre-order now. https://stevenwilson.lnk.to/TVINID
For my fans in the UK and Germany, everybody that pre-orders via the link above before 5pm tomorrow (22nd October) will receive priority access to a fan ticket pre-sale for the tour.
Access will be provided via email at 9:30am local time on Wednesday 23rd October ahead of the pre-sale launch at 10am the same day. General onsale tickets for The Future Bites Tour will be available at 10am local time this Friday (25th October).
-Marc.
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I would be down for a poppy SW album as well, I love variety and I like it when artists take risks and don't just stick to their traditional sound out of fear that the grumpy fanboys will start hating them if they try something different.
The problem is, we still have to put up with the grumpy "fanboys" (I have major issues with calling them fans) whinging and moaning about this.
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The tour sounds cool assuming he can pack those arenas well enough. Kind of hard to create an immersive concert if the arena isn't packed but he might be able to sell well enough. Certainly like the idea of trying this.
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The tour sounds cool assuming he can pack those arenas well enough. Kind of hard to create an immersive concert if the arena isn't packed but he might be able to sell well enough. Certainly like the idea of trying this.
I'm guessing he will be able to (in Europe anyway, seeing as some of the shows he did on the 2TB tour were in arenas, Madrid and some others IIRC, medium sized halls in Germany though, no arenas here at that time, until right now that is)
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I already pre-ordered that limited edition of the new album and I can't wait for 31/12/2029.
Love the cover artwork too.
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It was weird seeing comments on Facebook from people being upset that he 1. got married 2. "selling out" playing big arenas. Even if SW never makes another album I like (which I find highly unlikely) I would still be happy that in his 50s he finally found love and he got his break and earning the type of money I feel he should have been making earlier in his career. Even if his dark prog days of melancholic sadness is behind him, how is it a negative that he's finally getting to play big venues? :P
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Haters gonna hate. Never understood the dislike towards success some people have. Sometimes artists change with success and I understand that, but sometimes they don't and still people hate.
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I already pre-ordered that limited edition of the new album and I can't wait for 31/12/2029.
Love the cover artwork too.
How do you handle your anxiety for such a long period of time? I need some tips
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people being upset that he got married
Incels?
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How are his fans so ridiculous? And I thought Opeth and Dream Theater fan bases get awkward.
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Man, imagine being upset that your favourite artist gets married :lol Larger venues I can somewhat get being dissapointed by, because the experience is so different. But man, some fans are insane.
I think I will go to the show here, looking forward to his new show/material.
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people being upset that he got married
Incels?
I don't think so, it's more along the lines of "now that he's happily married and has someone who loves him he wont write the moody dark music i've loved from him" which is kinda weird because you're basically wishing the worst on someone you like, only so you can keep getting that kind of music. :P
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Even if that logic made any sense, to me, Steven Wilson never seemed like the kind of guy who was genuinely depressed or disturbed and created depressing music from that. I get that sense from say, Have A Nice Life or early Nine Inch Nails, but even Steven's most depressing music sounds like it was written just because Steven Wilson thinks sad music is beautiful. He's always come across as more bitter than depressed. :lol
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Well, I remember that during one of his concerts he mentioned that he wrote sad music as a sort of outlet and he then joked that he felt better by making the audience sad. I don't think that meant he is depressed and makes sad music because of that, but as a regular person he has his ups and downs and music is a great way to express things and let them out.
I for one I'm happy that he has found such happiness and success recently and I'm really excited to listen to the new album.
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Totally agree, Nekov!
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I listen to a lot of sad and depressing music, and I'm not sad or depressed all of the time.
I listen to a lot of aggressive music, and I'm not aggresive at all.
I rarely listen to happy music, but I'm happy most of the time.
Just because Steven Wilson likes a lot of his music to be sad doesn't mean he has to be sad to make it.
Do you have to be blue to play the blues?
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I listen to a lot of sad and depressing music, and I'm not sad or depressed all of the time.
I listen to a lot of aggressive music, and I'm not aggresive at all.
I rarely listen to happy music, but I'm happy most of the time.
Just because Steven Wilson likes a lot of his music to be sad doesn't mean he has to be sad to make it.
Totally agree on this! But...
Do you have to be blue to play the blues?
...yeah, you kinda have to.
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Do you have to be blue to play the blues?
...yeah, you kinda have to.
I saw B.B. King live and he was smiling and generally happy all of the time, joking and having fun and flirting with almost every girl in the front rows and he still played the blues. ;)
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My girlfriend is upset that Steven got married. I don't know what that says about me. ;D
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He has said that sad music for him is more interesting since he can convey more emotion to the songs and that connects more to the listener
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Bought tickets to Ziggodome! :biggrin:
I also bought the exclusive vinyl to these shows (which you can buy along with the tickets, at least that is how it works here). I have no clue what is on this vinyl, but it is Steven Wilson and I collect vinyls, so that was a no brainer for me.
Edit: it is a "very" limited edition of his upcoming studio album, which is fine by me! (Especially since the price is the same as his regular editions here).
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The new No-Man single is out! Found it on YouTube, here are the links:
"Love You To Bits (Bit 1)" - https://youtu.be/cIhy_U0ttIg
"Love You To Shreds (Shreds 1-3)" - https://youtu.be/9epzkVDQUQc
Just 2 more weeks til the album drops!
-Marc.
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So the new no-man album is out for 2 days now and no man is talking about it?
The blue vinyl is still in the mail ( :censored ) but I couldn't resist listening on Apple Music. It's gorgeous. Sinister, melancholic, wilson-ish and bow-nish (?). I love the thought of a "disco-symphony" and I think this approach works very well.
Highlights:
The finale of the first part. I won't spoil anything, but it just sounds so majestic and - sorry for this - Bavarian/German, without being bombastic or over the top. Maybe a Big Big Train influence?
The variation of themes and the many reprises of the main theme.
Adam Holzman's solo. Love that guy.
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So the new no-man album is out for 2 days now and no man is talking about it?
The blue vinyl is still in the mail ( :censored ) but I couldn't resist listening on Apple Music. It's gorgeous. Sinister, melancholic, wilson-ish and bow-nish (?). I love the thought of a "disco-symphony" and I think this approach works very well.
Highlights:
The finale of the first part. I won't spoil anything, but it just sounds so majestic and - sorry for this - Bavarian/German, without being bombastic or over the top. Maybe a Big Big Train influence?
The variation of themes and the many reprises of the main theme.
Adam Holzman's solo. Love that guy.
I could never get into No-Man, but I'm digging this!
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Had my first listen last night, and WOW, what an album. It's so short, but it packs a lot in it's runtime. I love the repeating themes and motifs and the way the album transforms them throughout it's various bit and pieces. Definitely going to be spinning this one for awhile. It's quite different for No-Man, and for Steve and Tim as well, but it's still go that No-Man vibe to it that I enjoy.
-Marc.
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The new no man is great. I like how well the new Steven Wilson music combines with what Tim brings into the mix. This is not what I expected at all and I am very happy about that :)
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What's a good jumping off point for No-Man. I want to check out an album and don't know really where to start.
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All their albums are very different, their first two are very much into electronic and synthpop. Returning Jesus is all acoustic, with a similar vibe to late Talk Talk, a very subtle and warm art pop album. Together We're Stranger and Schoolyard Songs are much more ambient and laid back. Seems the latest one kinda goes back to the former style but with a symphonic twist?
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Thanks, by that description I think ill start with Return to Jesus
I'm not a big fan of SW's pop stuff.
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New No-Man is pretty good! Out of their older albums I think my favorites are Schoolyard Ghosts and Together We're Stranger but there's some of the older albums I haven't listened to in years.
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https://burningshed.com/store/kscope/porcupine-tree_in-absentia-deluxe_boxset
Is it worth $73+shipping? Hmmm...
-Marc.
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Yeah that price is steeep.
..And ordered :biggrin:
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B6dYd1nAJQF/
So goodbye 2019 and cheerio to another decade. This was an amazing year for me thanks to the biggest and happiest event of my life, getting married to the love of my life and gaining 2 lovely step-daughters! And I want to once again thank everyone for the wonderful well wishes you sent our way.
If it seems like it was a quiet year for me professionally, rest assured I haven’t stopped working. A new album is pretty much finished, so there will be a lot of news and information coming soon. As I’m sure most of you know I have already announced 8 arena shows in the UK, Germany, France, The Netherlands, Italy and Poland for next September. I’m doing something on a whole different scale this time, possibly something I’ll never be able to do again! So if you like what I do, dare I say that these “event” shows are not to be missed.
These days most new artists apparently focus on finding a single song that will impact big on Spotify and YouTube, to the point that an album is often an afterthought or simply not released at all. And maybe these artists have the right idea - in this world ruled by the internet and social media, most people don’t have the time or inclination to engage with a whole album, and playlist culture renders the flow of an album redundant anyway. But even if it’s stylistically something different, as usual my new record is most definitely an album intended to be listened to as a sequence of songs, and I feel confident most of you are going to like it a lot.
One of the wonderful things about music and listening tastes is that they continue to evolve. A lot of rock fans claim music isn’t as good or innovative as it used to be, and while I have to concede they’re probably right, I think that’s because the golden era for rock has passed and the real innovation is now happening in genres that don’t focus on guitars, bass and drums. This year one of the commercially successful songs I really liked was Bury a Friend by @billieeilish - because it’s brilliant, but also because the production was so sonically fresh.
Read the full end of year update on my website, find the link on my profile!
#stevenwilson #thefuturebitestour #newalbum #2020 #newmusic
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I think Steven is becoming less curmudgeonly as he ages.
Also, damn, he works fast.
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Crikey, that Billie Eilish song is powerful (especially in conjunction with the video).
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I think Steven is becoming less curmudgeonly as he ages.
Also, damn, he works fast.
I guess so. I think some of it was an act too. I was surprised when he went back on the whole spotify thing.
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Part of it has to be that, after years of trying to fight the tide, you get tired. Even with the best intentions, there's no use trying to defy the musical tide, because you will only lose.
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I'm sure that's it too, and while spotify pay outs are crap it's still a great way to expose your music to a broader audience. Cant get someone to buy that $100 double lp set if they never hear your music in the first place.
On a personal level I never agreed with his "listen to the whole album in one setting" opinion
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I think the "listen to the album as it was intended" is easy to relate to and I definitely agree, though people like to skip tracks after 20 seconds and jump around just like people want to watch movies on 2x or 4x speed to get through it faster. There's definitely a shift in the old mentality of "lets take time and really absorb this" with the newer "consume, consume, consume" mentality, but in terms of keeping your music as available as possible I think it's a no brainer. I don't use Spotify myself as I consider it essentially pirating in terms of how much the artist get out of it, so I just prefer to buy the stuff. However, considering how popular Spotify is, it's definitely smarter to bite the bullet than to stay out in the cold. I'm sure for every 4 people who look SW up on Spotify and think his music sucks, there's at least 1 guy who really likes it and sinks money into merchandising or physical copies, and ultimately that's probably worth it for him.
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I do feel listening to an album from start to finish is very important in the "getting to know you" phase of consuming a new album. And I still subscribe heavily to the "5 spin rule" of listening to an album *at a bare minimum* of 5 full times through (not in succession, but sometimes over the course of a week) before I will even pass judgement on whether I like the album or not.
Having said that, once I become familiar with an album, I have gotten to the point where I prefer a variety of styles when I'm listening to music all day at work. So I take about 100+ albums from all sorts of different varieties (from Frank Sinatra to Frank Zappa, from Tool to Toad the Wet Sprocket, from The Mars Volta to The Cure...etc...etc) and hit shuffle. The results can be almost schizophrenic at times, but never dull.
So I kindof get (and dabble in) both sides of the argument.
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Release last friday:
http://www.resident-music.com/productdetails&product_id=66670
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asex3WtLPOA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asex3WtLPOA
:omg:
I *NEED* IT!!!
...wait, what is it?
-Marc.
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It’s Deluxe Toilet Stationery
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we live in a society the album
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we live in a society the album
:lol
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Looks like an announcement of sorts is coming this Thursday. I am so ready for a new record.
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http://thefuturebites.com
I have to say, that advertisement campaign that Steven is doing right now is genius. Nobody really knows what is going on, but it's intriguing. Have you guys seen those weird job descriptions of the team on this website? Love the medical face masks, too :lol
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I have no basis for this, but I have a feeling this album is going to be like a modern-day The Who Sells Out. I can see there being "commercials" for various mundane products as interludes on the album.
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I have no basis for this, but I have a feeling this album is going to be like a modern-day The Who Sells Out. I can see there being "commercials" for various mundane products as interludes on the album.
maybe concerning the cover art, not musically though I guesss (as this teaser may suggest: https://www.instagram.com/p/B9hsGMpjynN/)
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Well, looks like we have a tracklist: https://twitter.com/StevenWilsonHQ/status/1237447059764129792 (https://twitter.com/StevenWilsonHQ/status/1237447059764129792)
My idea of "commercial" interludes isn't quite dead yet, as they could be unlisted segues between some of these tracks.
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Also looks like we’re getting our first single on March 12th.
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I just hope "The Future Bites" isn't the name of the next album :lol
...welp
I guess I've warmed up to it a bit though
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"12TH MARCH 2020 9AM GMT"
refers to a PREORDER TIME it hits the website?
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More likely a single release, since it says 'Personal Shopper' as well, which is one of the probable album tracks.
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Don't singles usually go out on Fridays though?
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If it's the 12th, that would be a nice birthday present.
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Don't singles usually go out on Fridays though?
Not always. It's not like the single is a physical product anymore. They just go on Youtube any old time.
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Don't singles usually go out on Fridays though?
Not always. It's not like the single is a physical product anymore. They just go on Youtube any old time.
Sure, but it's been a trend for singles to come out on Friday. It's not a law though, just a trend.
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This is pretty exciting. I like how SW is still committed to producing something with some real momentum and creativity behind it rather than releasing just another album and touring behind it. Reminds me of the buildup before The Astonishing though I wish DT would've played with it a bit more.
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June 12
1 UNSELF 1:05
2 SELF 2:55
3 KING GHOST 4:06
4 12 THINGS I FORGOT 4:42
5 EMINENT SLEAZE 3:52
6 PERSONAL SHOPPER 9:49
7 MAN OF THE PEOPLE 4:41
8 FOLLOWER 4:39
9 ANYONE BUT ME 3:53
https://music.apple.com/au/album/the-future-bites/1500457578
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Seems like a shorter album - anyone done the math for the total runtime?
And of course the single's twice the length of any other on the album :lol
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Runtime looks like it is under 40 minutes. I'm not too fussy if it's too long or too short. I just want every minute to count and matter.
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Runtime looks like it is under 40 minutes. I'm not too fussy if it's too long or too short. I just want every minute to count and matter.
Same, but when an album is short and there's a couple songs that aren't so great, it really dampens the album as a whole IMO. Like Haken's Vector. The last two songs aren't that great and since it's short, it feels like an incomplete release even though the other tracks are excellent.
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Seems like a shorter album - anyone done the math for the total runtime?
And of course the single's twice the length of any other on the album :lol
If those numbers are accurate, it should be 39:42.
I suspect the vinyl will look like this:
Side A: 16:40
1 UNSELF 1:05
2 SELF 2:55
3 KING GHOST 4:06
4 12 THINGS I FORGOT 4:42
5 EMINENT SLEAZE 3:52
Side B: 23:02
6 PERSONAL SHOPPER 9:49
7 MAN OF THE PEOPLE 4:41
8 FOLLOWER 4:39
9 ANYONE BUT ME 3:53
...assuming that the running order remains the same for the vinyl.
With an album under 40 minutes long, I suspect we will see the usual batch of unused songs/demos on the Super Ultra Limited Deluxe Collector's Edition that goes for $1XX.99 and will contain a roll of toilet paper with Steven's face on every square.
-Marc.
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That price for toilet paper may be a bargain!
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That price for toilet paper may be a bargain!
Maybe he'll also include the face mask (seen in the promos) and a bottle of Hand Sanitizer as well.
-Marc.
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There was a pre-order link available when the European shows went on sale. It was for a very limited run of the vinyl release. Can't remember the exact contents of it.
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Looks good to me. :tup
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Unless we're getting an edit of Personal Shopper in about five minutes, we might be about to hear a quarter of the album in one shot.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_H0NO-Cyew&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2IZAQKuhNf_NEIrkS7fWYUpJzw95ojLo9exERHVznTTuwoROrraaDfAmc
Not listening to any singles as always, but what are your opinions? I'm surprised that he seemed to put out the longest song as a single.
I always like albums done in the LP format. I didn't expect this to be so short though. Anyway, doesn't matter, the last no-man wasn't longer and it was awesome. SW will deliver, I'm sure.
Also, under the video, it says:
Steven Wilson - synthesisers/samplers, acoustic and electric guitars, percussion, vocals
David Kosten - programming
Elton John - voice
Rotem Wilson - voice
Nick Beggs - bass guitar
Michael Spearman - drums
Wendy Harriott, Bobbie Gordon, Crystal Williams - vocals
Fyfe Dangerfield - vocals
Elton John - voice??? THE Elton John???
Since I don't listen to this until the album is out, can anyone confirm if Elton John's voice is heard in this song?
There was a pre-order link available when the European shows went on sale. It was for a very limited run of the vinyl release. Can't remember the exact contents of it.
I pre-ordered that. This is what it said:
"Ltd. Vinyl Edition (German Ver Steven Wilson LP OS - Mehrfarbig"
"Mehrfarbig" means "multicolored". There is a red vinyl up for pre-order right now, I hope the one I pre-ordered is cooler than the red one :biggrin: Not only because I pre-ordered it half a year ago without hearing a single note on it, but also because I paid double the price of the red vinyl.
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OMFG, love it to pieces on first listen. Literally danced when the bass drum entered. And laughed out loud during the chorus. Just brilliant.
The butt-hurt is going to be real with this album.
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I think it is a nice song and I enjoy the chorus/non-falsetto vocals, but honestly after No-Man and the last album, I was hoping for something else. I have heard beats like this a million times already (not necessarily from Steven Wilson). I hope the large concerts he is giving won't focus on these type of songs to be honest. Also, I just don't think he has a very good falsetto voice. Some people sound amazing doing that, Steven is not one of them.
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I liked the song and it drew my interest more than anything he did in his latest album. I just found it extremely hypocritical to make a song attacking consumption and mentioning deluxe editions and 180 gram vinyl editions when he is the MASTER of doing such things.
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I didn't like it at all. In fact, I would be content if I never heard this song again.
I guess this may be the first SW album I won't buy, especially if the rest of the material is like this.
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I liked the song overall. It does have some similarities with the last No-Man album, but it is delving deeper into the electronic sound. The lyrics are a bit on the nose but I guess it works well with the music. And while I didn't recognize him while listening to the song, Elton John is definitely there, just not the way you would expect.
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Permanating II.
In all seriousness, I enjoyed it. As long as he doesn’t command his audience to dance to it at his shows, I dig.
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Ah yes, along with the excitement of the best artist ever releasing new music comes the disappointment of hearing other people react to it.
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... the excitement of the best artist ever releasing new music...
John Lennon's releasing new music??
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https://store.thefuturebites.com/cart/product.php?id=61825
Well, as a “personal buyer” I woul like to pay a reasonable price for 3CD+BD version of it(around 20£?). The demos on cassete... ::)
By the way, good song as always Steven does, but I like better his pop/prog side.
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Yikes. This is what a newly married and happy SW creates.
Props for a new direction but thumbs down for me. No appeal whatsoever.
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Yikes. This is what a newly married and happy SW creates.
What? This isn't the new Chance The Rapper record. The song has nothing to do with marriage or his wife and it's not even all that happy.
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I'll be personally shopping elsewhere for new music based on that...
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Looks like the website is down to pre-order the album.
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CD3 - The Future Bites bonus material (4 additional songs and 19 minute extended version of Personal Shopper)
Excuse me? :rollin
Guess he only listed out a quarter of the products in that middle section as he wanted to.
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It's alright. Sounds like something I've heard before though....
Permanating II.
Ah yea. It's a bit too long for this type of song IMO. I'm not a huge SW fan so my opinion probably doesn't mean much. The chorus is definitely catchy.
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A bit disappointing since this single is very much alike the latest No-man offering (which was done way better than this song). Feels like the end of an era for me with Steven Wilson. Hopefully this song is not representative of the full album.
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listened to it 3x this morning. I like it. I don't love it and honestly if it wasn't SW I may not have gotten through the 9 1/2 minutes but it is SW so I give it a chance with open ears. It does harken back in some ways to early PT in groove. I didn't love the falsetto on the last album but with it double tracked (or whatever effect he has on it) it isn't so bad here. The harmonies of course are heavenly. I could just listen to an album of SW harmonies. I'll give it a shot and looking forward to the album.
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I only listened to it one time and so far I like it a lot better than anything from TTB.
I get that it is electronica and catchy, but I honestly hear absolutely no “happiness“ in it whatsoever as some people have said. I saw one person compare it to NIN and I think that’s fairly accurate.
I’m just thrilled that he’s trying something so completely different. Because I thought some of the darker material from TTB was starting to sound very “samey”....like he was starting to get in a rut and needed to do something different. I mean, the poppy stuff from TTB was very different, but it was sprinkled in among a bunch of SW standard “by the numbers” pieces, and it made the album a bit uneven. Of course that also makes TTB a perfect transition album between HCE and this one.
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I like it enough. I'd like to hear more, but I'd also like to afford the Deluxe Edition (the only Deluxe SW album I own is for HCE, which was TOTALLY worth it, especially for the album's conceptual nature).
I may have to settle for just the CD this time, given the $80 difference. But as I called it on the previous page, there are some bonus tracks exclusive to the Deluxe Edition.
Also - time for a thread title update?
-Marc.
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A bit disappointing since this single is very much alike the latest No-man offering (which was done way better than this song). Feels like the end of an era for me with Steven Wilson. Hopefully this song is not representative of the full album.
It's certainly representative of a quarter of the album, given it's nearly 10 minutes out of nearly (but not quite) 40.
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Also - time for a thread title update?
The. Future. Bites.
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Looks like the power is vested in Nick to do that.
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Meh, not a fan of the new single. It seems like every new Steven Wilson release is worse than the previous release. The song has a catchy chorus but the rest sounds like a sad Scissor Sisters song.
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First thought - I gotta get me some diamond cuff links :rollin
Dig the music but not too original wrt NIN. The lyrics though, oof I feel for the guy. It’s OK to be happy!!
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While the song itself didn't really blow me away or anything, I gotta give him props for trying new things. Progressive Rock has become somewhat of a dead swamp of bands rehashing the same ideas and many fans are almost fanatic about how prog 'should be', so even if SW puts out some misses, I think it's refreshing that he's trying to shake things up.
Kinda feel bad for his wife though because I would imagine she's gonna get a lot of hate messages from prog fans who will blame her for SW changing styles. :lol
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While the song itself didn't really blow me away or anything, I gotta give him props for trying new things. Progressive Rock has become somewhat of a dead swamp of bands rehashing the same ideas and many fans are almost fanatic about how prog 'should be', so even if SW puts out some misses, I think it's refreshing that he's trying to shake things up.
Kinda feel bad for his wife though because I would imagine she's gonna get a lot of hate messages from prog fans who will blame her for SW changing styles. :lol
Compared to his body of work as a whole this song may seem different/original, but I'd argue there is little original sounding stuff amongst these 9 minutes.
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Yea, I'm not sure anything sounded new to me from the single including the lyrical content which seems to be what everyone likes to sing about these days.
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Also - time for a thread title update?
The. Future. Bites.
You. Got. It.
-Marc.
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Personal Shopper :tup
the narrative made me laugh out loud half a dozen times, although I suppose its novelty may not hold up in the long run (although I might have felt the same way about The Great Debate back in 2002, and it has held up).
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the narrative made me laugh out loud half a dozen times
Yes! :lol
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While the song itself didn't really blow me away or anything, I gotta give him props for trying new things. Progressive Rock has become somewhat of a dead swamp of bands rehashing the same ideas and many fans are almost fanatic about how prog 'should be', so even if SW puts out some misses, I think it's refreshing that he's trying to shake things up.
Kinda feel bad for his wife though because I would imagine she's gonna get a lot of hate messages from prog fans who will blame her for SW changing styles. :lol
Compared to his body of work as a whole this song may seem different/original, but I'd argue there is little original sounding stuff amongst these 9 minutes.
Oh you're definitely not wrong, I guess I mean new for him. I think SW could have quite easily played it safe with his career and put out 70s prog album after 70s prog album but the fact he's trying different things is something that makes me appreciate him more, even if I haven't loved an album of his in some time now.
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While the song itself didn't really blow me away or anything, I gotta give him props for trying new things. Progressive Rock has become somewhat of a dead swamp of bands rehashing the same ideas and many fans are almost fanatic about how prog 'should be', so even if SW puts out some misses, I think it's refreshing that he's trying to shake things up.
Kinda feel bad for his wife though because I would imagine she's gonna get a lot of hate messages from prog fans who will blame her for SW changing styles. :lol
He needs to put her in the band and have her do growling vocals. I mean, nobody else is doing that these days, right?
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I like this new single and style quite a bit. I wouldn't say it's better than the whole of To The Bone like I've read in some places, but it's a great track. I'm definitely looking forward to this album :metal
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Song isn't bad. The lyrics are a bit off putting but the music is nice.
I did skip over the shopping list part. Was just really boring and I couldn't connect to whatever he was going for there.
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Song isn't bad. The lyrics are a bit off putting but the music is nice.
I did skip over the shopping list part. Was just really boring and I couldn't connect to whatever he was going for there.
You skipped over sir Elton John?!
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Song isn't bad. The lyrics are a bit off putting but the music is nice.
I did skip over the shopping list part. Was just really boring and I couldn't connect to whatever he was going for there.
You skipped over sir Elton John?!
Yeah, seriously, that was probably one of the best parts of the whole song!
-Marc.
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https://store.thefuturebites.com/cart/product.php?id=61825
Well, as a “personal buyer” I woul like to pay a reasonable price for 3CD+BD version of it(around 20£?). The demos on cassete... ::)
By the way, good song as always Steven does, but I like better his pop/prog side.
Anybody else see the irony (or perhaps the hypocrisy) of the lyrics being a sarcastic commentary on the buying culture of today, with him selling a limited edition box set for £75? Nevermind all the vinyl reissues he's put out of older releases.
Buy the box set and the kind of stuff
You've bought before a million times
Buy in green, buy in blue
Buy in patterns cos I tell you to
Sell it on then buy it back
Buy the shit you never knew you lacked
Indeed.
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There are very few artists today who have the variety that Steven Wilson has in his music, so I give him huge respect for that. To have everything from Raider II to Permanating in his solo catalogue is really impressive. He always seems to do exactly what he wants to do at that time in his life and I love that kind of artistic integrity.
With that said, this new track isn't really the side of his music that I respond to. My top 5 Wilson songs are Raven, Drive Home, Song of Unborn, Happy Returns and Refuge, and I guess the pattern is clear enough about the things I love in his music. Don't get me wrong, this is still a very fine piece of music. It's just not really my kind of thing. Wonderful vocal harmonies though, as always with him. He really has an amazing talent for that.
Lyrically...meh. While I've enjoyed enormously his releasing a tune about crass commercialism on the day the arse falls out of the global economy, I can't say it's something I have much interest in hearing about. A 2-disc concept album about a bear taking a shit in the woods would be more eye-opening to me at this point. I am keen though to hear the rest of it all and I'll be buying it on the day of release, something I only do these days with a small handful of artists.
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Is this really the album cover?
(https://townsquare.media/site/366/files/2020/03/SW_TFB_AlbumCover_Web.jpg)
Would you guys prefer this, or shirtless Steven in the To the Bone cover?
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Song isn't bad. The lyrics are a bit off putting but the music is nice.
I did skip over the shopping list part. Was just really boring and I couldn't connect to whatever he was going for there.
You skipped over sir Elton John?!
Apparently.
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That is by far his worst album cover. Right down there with Cover Version.
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I didn't hear anything that would make that song Happy sounding. It's dark. Don't get the purpose of having Elton John read a shopping list either.
Don't think I'll be buying this.
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I don't think "happy" was being used to describe the music. They're saying that SW is a happy person now and stuff and this is the result of him being happy.
People had similar complaints when James Hetfield or others got sober.
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I don't get calling this another Permanating or whatever. Sure, it's poppy and he sings in a falsetto, but the songs otherwise are nothing alike.
Now...after a couple listens, I am not sure what I think. There are parts I like, and then other parts seem a bit head-scratching. Considering this is nearly 1/4 of the album (given the times of the tracks we now have), my enthusiasm for it isn't quite as high as it was a day ago, but time will tell. I am sure many of the other songs will be major instant grabbers (crossing my fingers...).
Regardless of my personal opinion, it's great to once again to see SW throwing a curveball at us and doing what he wants, rather than giving the fans what they want.
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https://store.thefuturebites.com/cart/product.php?id=61825
Well, as a “personal buyer” I woul like to pay a reasonable price for 3CD+BD version of it(around 20£?). The demos on cassete... ::)
By the way, good song as always Steven does, but I like better his pop/prog side.
Anybody else see the irony (or perhaps the hypocrisy) of the lyrics being a sarcastic commentary on the buying culture of today, with him selling a limited edition box set for £75? Nevermind all the vinyl reissues he's put out of older releases.
Buy the box set and the kind of stuff
You've bought before a million times
Buy in green, buy in blue
Buy in patterns cos I tell you to
Sell it on then buy it back
Buy the shit you never knew you lacked
Indeed.
He's poking fun at everyone. Most of all, himself.
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I've had the chorus stuck in my head all morning despite only listening to it twice yesterday, and I also think parts of the song are really nice. What drags it down for me is the length (it doesn't have to be this long) and Elton John just feels utilized poorly. With that said, hearing it in the context of the album will make a difference (for better or worse).
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Yeah, the chorus is catchy as hell. And regarding Sir Elton John, maybe he sings in other songs, just not this one. And even then, he has an amazing voice even when he is not singing.
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People had similar complaints when James Hetfield or others got sober.
Man, I'm still pissed Stevie Nicks got off the cocaine. She's not written a decent song since... ;D ;D ;D
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I like it, it sounds like Steven Wilson, not sure what the fuss is about. He does sad songs, he does pop songs, he does ethereal atmospheric songs, he does prog songs. This is a Steven Wilson pop song, it doesn’t sound like some huge departure to me, it sounds like trademark Steven Wilson.
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https://store.thefuturebites.com/cart/product.php?id=61825
Well, as a “personal buyer” I woul like to pay a reasonable price for 3CD+BD version of it(around 20£?). The demos on cassete... ::)
By the way, good song as always Steven does, but I like better his pop/prog side.
Anybody else see the irony (or perhaps the hypocrisy) of the lyrics being a sarcastic commentary on the buying culture of today, with him selling a limited edition box set for £75? Nevermind all the vinyl reissues he's put out of older releases.
Buy the box set and the kind of stuff
You've bought before a million times
Buy in green, buy in blue
Buy in patterns cos I tell you to
Sell it on then buy it back
Buy the shit you never knew you lacked
Indeed.
This is what I thought too. I mean it seems like he re-released a super premium ultra deluxe double rare track version of in absentia every year.
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I like it, it sounds like Steven Wilson, not sure what the fuss is about. He does sad songs, he does pop songs, he does ethereal atmospheric songs, he does prog songs. This is a Steven Wilson pop song, it doesn’t sound like some huge departure to me, it sounds like trademark Steven Wilson.
I agree to some extent. I enjoyed his beat focused/pop songs on recent albums, but this time around the release of this single meant that 1/4th of his new album is just a solid pop song that does not explore anything new, nor does it utilize the elements I personally enjoy the most in his music. And we just got No-Man, which honestly kind of filled my SW synth-pop/dance music appetite. I can't hate on the song, because it does wat it does very well, but I would be lying if I said I was not dissapointed.
Now off course we don't know the other 30 minutes and all, but this is just how I feel right now.
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Yeah, I will admit that 40 min is a little disappointing by his own standards and this is a big chunk out of it. I don’t listen to no-man so can’t comment on that side of things.
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He's poking fun at everyone. Most of all, himself.
Plus, SW has made it clear that he doesn't think buying music is a bad thing. In fact, he wishes more people would still buy music, and I am sure it breaks his heart a little to see people spending so much money on wireless airpods and the latest Apple watch, while refusing to spend a dime on recorded music. So there really isn't any irony or hypocrisy in his message.
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My disappointment in this single is that he wears his sleeves (musical influences) a little bit too much. And it happens like in every other album:
Insurgentes - music felt very original but it was just a blend of PT and his IEM/Bass Communion thing..but it was very well done
Grace and Raven - at this time, he was mixing a lot of the Jethro Tull and King Crimson catalogue. Grace felt a little more original and Raven just a like a copy of what he was working on at that time.
HCE - Very original although this could have easily been a Porcupine Tree album
To The Bone - He was working a lot on the XTC and Tears for Fears catalogue (remixing them) and you can hear the influences loud and clear. I loved the title track though.
Futue Bites - so far the single is on the synth pop side, which I like when it's done properly. However, he did the synth pop album with Noman which is perfectly executed. The single falls very short on that in my opinion. Hopefully this single is not indicative of the full album (sucks that this single is 25% of the album)..You can hear the Everything Everything influence loud and clear (hell, the drummer is the one from EE).
Anyways, I pre-ordered the box set (lol :facepalm:) and will see how it goes. He still puts out great material, but he has a great ear in the mixing department and I still love the fact that he focuses on the album experience. So we will see what the rest of the album sounds like.
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While what is influencing him at the time is occasionally more than obvious, I think Wilson usually does a really good job of working those influences into his own sound. And let's face it, even though he does a lot of different stuff, he does kind of have an identifiable sound.
Going back to my first point, look at To the Bone, for instance. Yeah, he was working on the remixes for XTC and Tears for Fears at the time and had that 80's thing going in his head, but it still very much sounded like a SW record overall; it didn't come off like a retro-80's record by any means. On the flip side, even though I love it to pieces, if someone wants to say that The Raven sounds like retro-70's record, I wouldn't really dispute it, although I think that is more of an individual song then, where Luminol and The Watchmaker are very 70's sounding and the others really aren't (in relative terms).
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SW DROPPIN A DANCE FLOOR BANGER!!!!! :o :o :o Love it. Noel Gallagher has been doing the same style of music lately.
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Quite a few outputs by Steven have been playing here the last few days, mainly the ones I haven't paid that much attention to until now.
Bass Communion - I
I always loved the opening of no-man's Together We're Stranger: the way the chords appear out of nothing is just beautiful. This album is basically an extended edition of that intro and I could listen to it all day. Which is basically what I am doing. The limited clear vinyl of Bass Communion - II is also on its way to my house!
Storm Corrosion - Storm Corrosion
When this came out it did absolutely nothing for me. No drums? Sign me out. But now that I have gotten a lot more into ambient music - I would consider myself a Tangerine Dream "fan" by now - I learned to appreciate this kind of music a lot more. It flows, it's dark, melancholic and it sounds like red wine and old horror flicks. Which is what this album inspired ;) Plus, I have possibly never heard an album which deserved the description "hauntingly beautiful" more.
Steven Wilson - Insurgentes
His first real solo album never clicked for me and by now I am asking myself: why tf not? He incorporated many drone and ambient influences and I love it. Yes, it's not as easily accessible as f.e. HCE. But I loved Grace For Drowning on first listen. Why not this one? Twilight in the Court is a fantastic King Crimson/Red/THRAK homage (Tony Levin & Gavin Harrison as rhythm section, just wow), Veneno para las hadas and the title track are beautiful (I know, I have used that word in all three short reviews, but what can I do). And the sound is amazing! Yes we're talking about Steven Wilson, so what else.
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Storm Corrosion finally clicked with me some months ago, damn what a gorgeous record. Hope they make another one someday.
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January 2021 is a long way off now...
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Just read it. This sucks. Especially since he had to postpone it because of all the stuff around the release (marketing, videos etc) which I actually don't care about at all. I just want the music. But I understand it, because Steven is an artist who heavily features the audiovisual component of his music...
For everyone who has no social media:
As with many of my albums, The Future Bites is not just about the music, it's a high concept project which involves design, artwork, video and a tour production, all on a grander scale than anything I've attempted before. However, due to the pandemic, there are unprecedented challenges, ranging from manufacturing issues (particularly in relation to the elaborate deluxe edition) and the uncertainty facing record stores as the coronavirus forces them to close their doors, to being unable to shoot most of the video material I planned. It's therefore with a very heavy heart that I reluctantly need to postpone the release of The Future Bites until such time everything can happen as intended. This will now be January next year, with new music and video starting to be issued again around October. In the meantime the pre-order page for the various editions of the album will remain online, although I plan to take the deluxe edition off the site some time before it completely sells out, in order to give fans simply not in a position to purchase at the moment a chance to get it nearer the time. Meanwhile, myself, management, agent and promoters are monitoring the situation regarding the live shows scheduled for this autumn. Should events change we will let everyone know as soon as we do.
I understand that this may be disappointing news, and to no one more that myself, believe me. I worked on the music and background of this project for the last two years and was thrilled to finally be able to launch it. The response to the Personal Shopper track released last month has been phenomenal, and I was looking forward to unveiling more over the next few months in the build up to the release of the album. But alas due to the current circumstances it was not to be.
I sincerely send everyone reading this a message of good health, and I hope that one day in the not too distant future we can once again focus on things like music, which even if it isn't strictly essential seems to somehow make life more worthwhile.
SW x
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The future bites, but the present has bitten harder. Music is music, it has nothing to do with visuals or promotional material. If the album is already done, just release it digitally.
That said, heck maybe there's more time to add more material to the album to at least bump its running time up beyond 45 minutes.
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The future bites, but the present has bitten harder. Music is music, it has nothing to do with visuals or promotional material. If the album is already done, just release it digitally.
That said, heck maybe there's more time to add more material to the album to at least bump its running time up beyond 45 minutes.
"Just release it digitally" might apply to almost any other artist/band than Steven Wilson. I mean I know he has loosened his strong beliefs on streaming and digital music but I think if you told him he could release it digital only (for now) or delete it entirely he might opt for the latter. :lol
I think also the odds of him adding anything to the album at this point is about the same as Pink Floyd reuniting with both Waters and Gilmour for a new album/tour. He might use this downtime to work on some new music (maybe an EP or side projects) but he's an artist who is very proud of the stuff he puts out so I can't imagine he would backtrack and change an album that by all signs was a finished one. :p
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Not surprised he is doing this, but it is somewhat disappointing. With all that is going on in the world right now, music is a godsend, especially new music from a favorite artist, and now fans have to wait more than six months to hear the new album. But given all of the work he has been putting into its release and everything that is going along with it, I get wanting to not release until he can go full tilt as planned with all of the promo and whatnot. I am sure this was a very tough call for him.
The future bites, but the present has bitten harder. Music is music, it has nothing to do with visuals or promotional material. If the album is already done, just release it digitally.
That said, heck maybe there's more time to add more material to the album to at least bump its running time up beyond 45 minutes.
April Fool's Day was earlier this month.
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The response to the Personal Shopper track released last month has been phenomenal
...has it though? :lol
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The response to the Personal Shopper track released last month has been phenomenal
...has it though? :lol
Maybe he meant from a volume standpoint. :P :lol
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The response to the Personal Shopper track released last month has been phenomenal
...has it though? :lol
On youtube it currently has a ratio of almost 12k likes to 1k dislikes and while youtube isn't necessarily entirely accurate i'd say that's still a fairly great positive ratio (though i wouldn't say phenomenal). But it's quite interesting to read comments on both youtube and facebook because there's currently a battle between the 'I like many music styles but in reality i only like prog' guys who loathe the track and anything that isn't progressive rock, and the other camp which is the 'i love everything he puts out and even his worst stuff is better than anything else out there'.
I saw some comments from people legit wanting him to scrap the whole album and make a "real" album again (hint they mean prog album) and it just makes me roll my eyes. I feel it's getting harder these days to find level headed people for nuanced discussions that go beyond something either being the worst abomination ever OR the best thing ever made. :p
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The future bites, but the present has bitten harder. Music is music, it has nothing to do with visuals or promotional material. If the album is already done, just release it digitally.
That said, heck maybe there's more time to add more material to the album to at least bump its running time up beyond 45 minutes.
"Just release it digitally" might apply to almost any other artist/band than Steven Wilson. I mean I know he has loosened his strong beliefs on streaming and digital music but I think if you told him he could release it digital only (for now) or delete it entirely he might opt for the latter. :lol
I think also the odds of him adding anything to the album at this point is about the same as Pink Floyd reuniting with both Waters and Gilmour for a new album/tour. He might use this downtime to work on some new music (maybe an EP or side projects) but he's an artist who is very proud of the stuff he puts out so I can't imagine he would backtrack and change an album that by all signs was a finished one. :p
I wouldn't be surprised if he is working on a new deluxe ultra 2020 corona virus reissue of In Absentia
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The response to the Personal Shopper track released last month has been phenomenal
...has it though? :lol
On youtube it currently has a ratio of almost 12k likes to 1k dislikes and while youtube isn't necessarily entirely accurate i'd say that's still a fairly great positive ratio (though i wouldn't say phenomenal). But it's quite interesting to read comments on both youtube and facebook because there's currently a battle between the 'I like many music styles but in reality i only like prog' guys who loathe the track and anything that isn't progressive rock, and the other camp which is the 'i love everything he puts out and even his worst stuff is better than anything else out there'.
I saw some comments from people legit wanting him to scrap the whole album and make a "real" album again (hint they mean prog album) and it just makes me roll my eyes. I feel it's getting harder these days to find level headed people for nuanced discussions that go beyond something either being the worst abomination ever OR the best thing ever made. :p
I think this is possibly the worst comment you have ever written. Why don't you just delete it and write a new one, maybe praising prog a little bit more. Not that I don't like other musical styles, I enjoy jazz, rap, pop... if they have the right amount of prog in them of course.
Anyways, I think you used to be a lot cooler back in the day, you sold out.
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I feel it's getting harder these days to find level headed people for nuanced discussions that go beyond something either being the worst abomination ever OR the best thing ever made. :p
It's hard to find people for nuanced discussions period. If the band I want to discuss has no fanbase on DTF I'm basically screwed. I miss forums so much. You can't talk to people on most bands' Facebook pages and it gets tricky to balance when you want to write something critical, knowing it might hurt the band members' feelings needlessly. Spaces like these are the best.
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The response to the Personal Shopper track released last month has been phenomenal
...has it though? :lol
On youtube it currently has a ratio of almost 12k likes to 1k dislikes and while youtube isn't necessarily entirely accurate i'd say that's still a fairly great positive ratio (though i wouldn't say phenomenal). But it's quite interesting to read comments on both youtube and facebook because there's currently a battle between the 'I like many music styles but in reality i only like prog' guys who loathe the track and anything that isn't progressive rock, and the other camp which is the 'i love everything he puts out and even his worst stuff is better than anything else out there'.
I saw some comments from people legit wanting him to scrap the whole album and make a "real" album again (hint they mean prog album) and it just makes me roll my eyes. I feel it's getting harder these days to find level headed people for nuanced discussions that go beyond something either being the worst abomination ever OR the best thing ever made. :p
I think this is possibly the worst comment you have ever written. Why don't you just delete it and write a new one, maybe praising prog a little bit more. Not that I don't like other musical styles, I enjoy jazz, rap, pop... if they have the right amount of prog in them of course.
Anyways, I think you used to be a lot cooler back in the day, you sold out.
:lol :lol :lol
Well played. *golf clap*
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I feel it's getting harder these days to find level headed people for nuanced discussions that go beyond something either being the worst abomination ever OR the best thing ever made. :p
It's hard to find people for nuanced discussions period. If the band I want to discuss has no fanbase on DTF I'm basically screwed. I miss forums so much. You can't talk to people on most bands' Facebook pages and it gets tricky to balance when you want to write something critical, knowing it might hurt the band members' feelings needlessly. Spaces like these are the best.
+1
The "comments section" of any type of website or post is pretty much the worst environment for conversations in existence.
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The thing is, if he wanted to go the synth pop route..I don't mind it if it's done properly. I actually have been listening to a lot of synth pop lately. Daniel Tompkin's Castles and Nik Mystery (Periphery singer) and some Tears for Fears...they are done way better than what SW put out.
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The thing is, if he wanted to go the synth pop route..I don't mind it if it's done properly. I actually have been listening to a lot of synth pop lately. Daniel Tompkin's Castles and Nik Mystery (Periphery singer) and some Tears for Fears...they are done way better than what SW put out.
Admit it, it's just not enough prog for you. You're living in the past. People like you make me sick.
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The thing is, if he wanted to go the synth pop route..I don't mind it if it's done properly. I actually have been listening to a lot of synth pop lately. Daniel Tompkin's Castles and Nik Mystery (Periphery singer) and some Tears for Fears...they are done way better than what SW put out.
Admit it, it's just not enough prog for you. You're living in the past. People like you make me sick.
:lol :lol
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This just means we've got the AOTY for 2021 instead of 2020! Steven Wilson can do no wrong! #MELLOTRONGANGFORLIFE #RIDETHETRAINORDIE
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I feel it's getting harder these days to find level headed people for nuanced discussions that go beyond something either being the worst abomination ever OR the best thing ever made. :p
It's hard to find people for nuanced discussions period. If the band I want to discuss has no fanbase on DTF I'm basically screwed. I miss forums so much. You can't talk to people on most bands' Facebook pages and it gets tricky to balance when you want to write something critical, knowing it might hurt the band members' feelings needlessly. Spaces like these are the best.
This is why I still love forums. I browse sites like Reddit, Facebook and Youtube frequently but the problem with comments is if you have a controversial opinion for example - it doesn't matter how you present it because you get downvoted or hammered with dislikes and the top comments are usually the most popular opinion and/or the typical troll/flame/bait stuff.
Whether you agree or disagree with someone, I will always love to have nuanced discussions where you get to the main core of something which for me is WHY someone has an opinion. It's always interesting to hear what parts about an album or a song that hooked someone else because sometimes getting that perspective can also give you a newfound appreciation for something. :)
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Yeah it's sad that forums have gone out of fashion, they're one of the few places in which having nuanced discussions is possible - just look at how we spent dozens of posts about getting used to growls on Indi's roulette, plenty of interesting points of view among mostly shitposts. The long format and the persistence of threads encourage this sort of discussions I think - other platforms put too much emphasis on throwaway comments and posts.
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#RIDETHETRAINORDIE
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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So, with Steven Wilson having potentially the rest of the year off (if his tour is postponed, which I think it will since it is in bigger arenas, hence a higher risk for infection), would you think he would write more music?
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likely, unless his responsibilities as a stepfather impact that.
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Sounds like The Future Bites will now be officially released on January 29th, 2021.
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Sounds like The Future Bites will now be officially released on January 29th, 2021.
yes, as per SW's announcement on April 22nd. (see here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B_RwCGxDiMW/) The next single will likely be released in 5 months.
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Sounds like The Future Bites will now be officially released on January 29th, 2021.
yes, as per SW's announcement on April 22nd. (see here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B_RwCGxDiMW/) The next single will likely be released in 5 months.
I couldn't remember if he had given a new release date back then or if he had just said it was postponed. Either way, it is what it is.
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New podcast from Steven and Tim Bowness
https://anchor.fm/the-album-years
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Looking forward to listening to that, it's in my queue at the moment.
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Two episodes have been released so far. I’m enjoying it but my god does Steven talk at 100 miles an hour.
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Steven Wilson
@StevenWilsonHQ
I'm delighted to announce that after the great response to my previous appearance on @Tim_Burgess
' #TimsTwitterListeningParty
for Hand.Cannot.Erase, I'm doing another one on 5th June at 7pm BST for my first solo album from 2008, Insurgentes, one of my favourites in my catalogue!
Somewhere, Zantera is smiling at the bolded. ;)
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So, with Steven Wilson having potentially the rest of the year off (if his tour is postponed, which I think it will since it is in bigger arenas, hence a higher risk for infection)
Actually I think Steven would be in a position to be one of the first acts able to tour again effectively, if he wanted to push things quicker. His tour was already arena based because he wanted a bigger spectacle, there was no way he was going to sellout any of those venues. Tickets could be free and there would still be plenty of empty seats. So he was already in a position that he could socially distance his shows by spacing out used rows and putting a hard cap on the total venue capacity.
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I've been listening to Porcupine Tree for the first time in a while (as in, years). God, they were great. Fear of a Blank Planet in particular really stood out. When I first heard it, it didn't click with me 100% because I thought it was a little too on the nose, but in hindsight, it was quite prescient and I really respect its strong vision.
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I've been listening to Porcupine Tree for the first time in a while (as in, years). God, they were great. Fear of a Blank Planet in particular really stood out. When I first heard it, it didn't click with me 100% because I thought it was a little too on the nose, but in hindsight, it was quite prescient and I really respect its strong vision.
Welcome to the Blank Planet. FOABP is such a landmark album in SW's career, IMO, and that was the only tour I've ever gotten to see SW, and MAN what a set that was! They definitely loved the music, and performed pretty much the whole album every night.
I guess this would be a good time to ask if anyone here has heard the "full version" of What Happens Now?, which begins with a short piece titled Always Recurring, which I believe was part of the original ideas that evolved into WHN?, as there are similar lyrics in the verses. When I discovered it, and mixed it to segue into the beginning of WHN?, it's been my default album-closer for my complete-FOABP personal mix (which includes the other Nil Recurring EP tracks, eleven songs clocking in at 83:13).
-Marc.
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So, with Steven Wilson having potentially the rest of the year off (if his tour is postponed, which I think it will since it is in bigger arenas, hence a higher risk for infection)
Actually I think Steven would be in a position to be one of the first acts able to tour again effectively, if he wanted to push things quicker. His tour was already arena based because he wanted a bigger spectacle, there was no way he was going to sellout any of those venues. Tickets could be free and there would still be plenty of empty seats. So he was already in a position that he could socially distance his shows by spacing out used rows and putting a hard cap on the total venue capacity.
The show I bought tickets for was selling fast, but at least half the seats (back rows, behind the stage etc.) were blocked out anyway
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He sold out a 6000 people venue here last tour, in 2018, and that was with at least one other show on a couple of hours travelling distance in the same week. While I don't think he would've sold out Ziggodome by a long shot, I think he could've pulled a very decent amount of people, given that this tour only was going to have a handful of shows.
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I don't think it was that big of an upgrade in venue sizes to the O2 Arena in London. He already did 3 shows at the Royal Albert Hall when he toured under the To The Bone album. That's roughly 15k people (and I don't think much saw him multiple times in that run in that venue).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqIlIePsKF8&feature=emb_title
AND NO BIRDS SING (SHORT FILM)
Filmed in London just before lockdown, this is a 4 minute short film using temporary actors to show the concept of the film And No Birds Sing, written by Mike Bennion and Steven Wilson. Directed by Mike Bennion, produced by Gaby Whyte Hart, sound design by Steven Wilson. Due to be cast and in production by late 2021.
And No Birds Sing is a story that crosses genres, having aspects of Psychological Thriller, Horror and Mystery. Reality merges with film and the supernatural when a London director starts to experience strange events and is forced to confront his troubled past. The film blurs the lines of reality, memory and fiction where sound constantly motivates the twists and turns of the action.
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New song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUKmOkrcMig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUKmOkrcMig)
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Yeah. I like the groove and the slight pink floyd vibes it has. Stephen is really embracing this new side to his music which will piss a lot of his fans off :lol
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Catchy tune. I dig that gritty bass grove.
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Yeah. I like the groove and the slight pink floyd vibes it has. Stephen is really embracing this new side to his music which will piss a lot of his fans off :lol
It sure pissed off a bunch of people in his FB comments section. The way they're talking, you'd have thought he crapped in their cereal or something. :lol Dude's trying different styles of music. Let him. It's been over a decade now and people are still whinging about PT being gone.
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Unfortunately it doesn't do anything for me. I don't mind the musical direction, I listen to plenty of pop and electronic. I liked Personal Shopper better and can't say I have been returning to that song either. Oh well, glad some of you like it.
I do think To The Bone had a lot of these elements already (which I find to be excellent), not seeing this as a major change, just a shift of focus/balance. And it is a focus on element of his music I do appreciate, but not always enjoy as much as the rest of his work.
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A couple thoughts:
1. I appreciate that he’s taking some risks with his music, even if I’m not super excited by the sound of this one.
2. It kind of reminds me of “I’m Gone” from Nick D’Virgilio’s solo album.
3. It really reminds me of Pink Floyd, which is super ironic as SW has basically made a career out of sounding like Pink Floyd, yet his fans seem to hate this song.
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I like it.
Reminded me of Pink Floyd on my first listen, too.
Video's worth watching.
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I can definitely see the PF vibe. I realized I've been hearing snippets of this song on his Album Years podcast for a while now.
I thought the song was ok. I'll probably listen to it again when the album comes out but I don't think I'll ever seek out to listen to it.
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2. It kind of reminds me of “I’m Gone” from Nick D’Virgilio’s solo album.
I can hear the similarity too - but "I'm Gone" is better - Nick is a much better singer.
It's ok for me I guess. Far from his best. Don't really have an urge to listen to it again anytime soon though.
The bass tone was the best part.
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I thought the song was okay. Definitely admire him going a different way for this album and not caving in to what the fans want.
While I get the feeling of disappointment if you don't like a new song or direction by an artist you love, I think the current outcry against this album mostly on FB and Youtube is really quite sad. Some people have this bizarre thing where they seem to treat it like a relationship saying absurd things like "i've been with you for all these years but i can't be with you any further". Are we talking about an artist who might have made an album you didn't like much OR are we talking about your girlfriend who cheated on you? Because it sounds a lot more like the latter than any sane reaction you would have to the former.
I also find it hilariously ironic that some people are saying these songs is him out of ideas and ripping off bands X, Y and Z while in the same breath praising The Raven That Refused to Sing - which no matter what you think about it (good, okay, bad) is arguably his least original album.
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I can understand why fans are upset, but totally agree about the overreaction and hostile negativity. But that seems to be the new norm with anything on social media.
I'm not crazy about either of the two singles. Neither are bad, but neither really get my attention either. I'm not a huge SW fan generally so the change in style doesn't bother me, and in general, if this style of music is catchy I can totally enjoy it, but these two songs just didn't really captivate me enough to enjoy this style. I probably won't get his new album as of now.
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Only one listen but not keen on this at all. Liked Personal Shopper but not this one. Saying that, he’s done plenty of songs over the years that I’m not keen on so I’m not too concerned. It may end up growing on me or may sound better in the context of the album or it may just end up being a song that I don’t like.
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I can definitely see the PF vibe.
Not hearing the PF vibe at all, aside from the keyboards that start at 1:40. Before that, I fail to hear anything that sounds remotely like PF (tho admittedly I don't know all their albums). Definitely prefer Personal Shopper over this one. Props to him for branching out, but I dunno what my thoughts will be on the full album.
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I can definitely see the PF vibe.
Not hearing the PF vibe at all, aside from the keyboards that start at 1:40. Before that, I fail to hear anything that sounds remotely like PF (tho admittedly I don't know all their albums). Definitely prefer Personal Shopper over this one. Props to him for branching out, but I dunno what my thoughts will be on the full album.
Agree, the only PF sounding thing on this is the keyboard/organ riff. Song in general was a chore to get though for me and Personal Shopper wasn’t much different.
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I can understand why fans are upset, but totally agree about the overreaction and hostile negativity. But that seems to be the new norm with anything on social media.
I'm not crazy about either of the two singles. Neither are bad, but neither really get my attention either. I'm not a huge SW fan generally so the change in style doesn't bother me, and in general, if this style of music is catchy I can totally enjoy it, but these two songs just didn't really captivate me enough to enjoy this style. I probably won't get his new album as of now.
Pretty much. This may be the first SW album I won't buy. I still appreciate him branching out however. I'll still keep checking out his albums in the future.
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Dug the song. Video was meh.
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I can definitely see the PF vibe.
Not hearing the PF vibe at all, aside from the keyboards that start at 1:40. Before that, I fail to hear anything that sounds remotely like PF (tho admittedly I don't know all their albums). Definitely prefer Personal Shopper over this one. Props to him for branching out, but I dunno what my thoughts will be on the full album.
Agree, the only PF sounding thing on this is the keyboard/organ riff. Song in general was a chore to get though for me and Personal Shopper wasn’t much different.
It’s a combination of that little organ/electric piano part, the female singers, and the general Money-ish vibe in the lyrics.
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Dug the song. Video was meh.
Opposite of my opinion. :lol
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Song is pretty cool, wished it had more punch, but it's nice. Video is pretty much we live in a society.
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I can understand why fans are upset, but totally agree about the overreaction and hostile negativity. But that seems to be the new norm with anything on social media.
I'm not crazy about either of the two singles. Neither are bad, but neither really get my attention either. I'm not a huge SW fan generally so the change in style doesn't bother me, and in general, if this style of music is catchy I can totally enjoy it, but these two songs just didn't really captivate me enough to enjoy this style. I probably won't get his new album as of now.
Pretty much. This may be the first SW album I won't buy. I still appreciate him branching out however. I'll still keep checking out his albums in the future.
+2. Hand. Cannot. Erase. and The Raven are two of my all-time favorite albums - but this just does not speak to me at all, so will probably pass. I'm sure he'll change it up again on his next release, so hopefully that style will be something that I can enjoy.
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I like all his albums and I like these two singles as well. I'm interested to see where he will go on this album. (and on every forthcoming one as well. Call me open-minded I guess)
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I just listen to it for the first time. I honestly can’t figure out if I like it or not. He’s walking a very fine line between irony and hypocrisy.
It’s polished, and it sounds commercial, but it’s not exactly radio friendly either. It does seem like the more commercial he gets the more he makes fun of commerciality. It’s just hard to figure out which side of the line he’s falling on sometimes.
I don’t know if I like it, but I kind of like the fact that it’s pissing everybody off. On that level, it kind of reminds me of when Frank Zappa used to make fun of the very audience that was listening to his music and yet somehow still managing to sell records to them.
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The song is ok, but I can already tell this album will probably not be one of my favorites of his. I appreciate his willingness to do anything in his power to shake up people's idea of what his music is supposed to sound like, but he may be going too far in a direction I just don't enjoy listening to.
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No connection to that song at all. I'll be passing on this one.
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New song ain’t bad. I respect any artist that’ll do what they want with their music. I agree that the outrage from people on social media is ridiculous. It’s really not “that” big of a deal. There’s so much other music to listen to if you don’t like this.
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RIP Steven Wilson I wanted to say that he's dead to me musically.
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RIP Steven Wilson :(
Eh? Hang on. He didn't die did he?
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RIP Steven Wilson :(
Eh? Hang on. He didn't die did he?
No, he's dead to him musically, I'd guess.
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Hahaha yeah he's still alive ;)
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I can definitely see the PF vibe.
Not hearing the PF vibe at all, aside from the keyboards that start at 1:40. Before that, I fail to hear anything that sounds remotely like PF (tho admittedly I don't know all their albums). Definitely prefer Personal Shopper over this one. Props to him for branching out, but I dunno what my thoughts will be on the full album.
Agree, the only PF sounding thing on this is the keyboard/organ riff. Song in general was a chore to get though for me and Personal Shopper wasn’t much different.
It’s a combination of that little organ/electric piano part, the female singers, and the general Money-ish vibe in the lyrics.
I thought it had more of a "Not Now John" vibe
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I can definitely see the PF vibe.
Not hearing the PF vibe at all, aside from the keyboards that start at 1:40. Before that, I fail to hear anything that sounds remotely like PF (tho admittedly I don't know all their albums). Definitely prefer Personal Shopper over this one. Props to him for branching out, but I dunno what my thoughts will be on the full album.
Agree, the only PF sounding thing on this is the keyboard/organ riff. Song in general was a chore to get though for me and Personal Shopper wasn’t much different.
It’s a combination of that little organ/electric piano part, the female singers, and the general Money-ish vibe in the lyrics.
I thought it had more of a "Not Now John" vibe
I somewhat agree. Not a bad reference IMHO. (but then again, I actually like The Final Cut quite a bit.)
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Wow, the people on Facebook :rollin Holy Shit!
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No connection to that song at all. I'll be passing on this one.
What he said
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Wow, the people on Facebook :rollin Holy Shit!
I logged into facebook just to see the comments :lol, "please go back to being miserable" :lol
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I think it's great he is trying out things. Not my cup of tea but it must be fun and creative for him to do this!
Personal shopper worked better but I am not a fan of the production I must say. Both songs sound like 80s future which is bleeeh.
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I logged into facebook just to see the comments :lol, "please go back to being miserable" :lol
When I saw that he got a puppy, a guy at work said “Oh, this is really going to make his music happy, isn’t it?”
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RIP Steven Wilson :(
Ever since 2016 happened to the music world, my heart almost skips a beat whenever I read something like this. Please don't post stuff like this...
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RIP Steven Wilson :(
Ever since 2016 happened to the music world, my heart almost skips a beat whenever I read something like this. Please don't post stuff like this...
hence my being confused above. He is alive.
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I liked the song :)
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I enjoyed the song. It's a nice funky groove. Love how the music style is playing into the concept.
Also...I haven't seen this much disappointment since The Astonishing.. :corn
I listened to Personal Shopper again. And I think I understand exactly why the music is in the style it's in. I need to hear the album to confirm this. If so, then this may be one of my all time favorite concept albums.
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Honestly, I don't know what the big deal is. I've seen so many bands I liked change their sound to the point where they are a bunch of generic pieces of crap and a shell of their former selves. Honestly, I would say Permanating was a much bigger change of direction for him and I liked that song. This new song is all right, but I probably wouldn't listen to it too much. I think from what I've seen people describe other people's reactions to it, I think people may be overexaggerating on how the song is.
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Honestly, I don't know what the big deal is. I've seen so many bands I liked change their sound to the point where they are a bunch of generic pieces of crap and a shell of their former selves. Honestly, I would say Permanating was a huge change of direction for him and I liked that song. This new song is all right, but I probably wouldn't listen to it too much. I think from what I've seen people describe other people's reactions to it, I think people may be overexaggerating on how the song is.
I think it's the style of music people are upset about. One guy I know, on Facebook, said exactly that, he enjoys his Prog more than this Disco/Funk/Electronic style he has with this album.
I for one am liking this style the more I listen to both songs. I say it's slightly more Funky than Disco personally. It reminds me of a more Electronic Proggy Prince.
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If you don't care for some genres as much as others and you feel a lowered interest because of that, I think it's perfectly fine and logical. But to me it goes beyond any rational logic the way some people are acting on his FB like he has betrayed them or anything.
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If you don't care for some genres as much as others and you feel a lowered interest because of that, I think it's perfectly fine and logical. But to me it goes beyond any rational logic the way some people are acting on his FB like he has betrayed them or anything.
Same here. I just laugh at them though.
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Honestly, I don't know what the big deal is. I've seen so many bands I liked change their sound to the point where they are a bunch of generic pieces of crap and a shell of their former selves. Honestly, I would say Permanating was a huge change of direction for him and I liked that song. This new song is all right, but I probably wouldn't listen to it too much. I think from what I've seen people describe other people's reactions to it, I think people may be overexaggerating on how the song is.
I think it's the style of music people are upset about. One guy I know, on Facebook, said exactly that, he enjoys his Prog more than this Disco/Funk/Electronic style he has with this album.
I for one am liking this style the more I listen to both songs. I say it's slightly more Funky than Disco personally. It reminds me of a more Electronic Proggy Prince.
Yeah, the music style issue for me is where my problem is. Although Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson have always been very hit or miss with me, mostly miss. I think Deadwing, In Ansentia, The Raven album and Hand.Cannot.Erase are all brilliant. There was a pretty nice solo EP in there somewhere too that was obviously leftovers from some earlier sessions but still pretty nice. But I've never made it all the way through any of the other albums. Based on the two songs I've heard and based on the fact that To The Bone did nothing for me, I guess he's moving off in a new direction now. I hope it works out for him, he seems like a nice enough kid.
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Not getting the whole disco/funk stuff. This is still fairly prog to me, more Peter Gabriel than his usual morose stuff but it’s hardly disco.
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I hope it works out for him, he seems like a nice enough kid.
Does he though? From the two shows I've seen of him live, he kind of rubbed me off as a bit of an asshole. Not to the point that I don't like him or I'm turned off, but kind of a noticeable attitude.
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He's just British. :lol
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He's just British. :lol
Yup, I do think that's it :lol
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I've been to 3 or 4 gigs and I don't get an asshole vibe from him. I expected it, but I think it's his British humor that may rub some people the wrong way. I actually had some fun and enjoyable evenings.
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He lives about 10 miles from where I was brought up. I can tell you he seems perfectly normal to me - and I say that without a trace of irony :biggrin:
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Not getting the whole disco/funk stuff. This is still fairly prog to me, more Peter Gabriel than his usual morose stuff but it’s hardly disco.
I appreciate this. Prog should be a broad church. Anything's prog if you let it be.
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Not getting the whole disco/funk stuff. This is still fairly prog to me, more Peter Gabriel than his usual morose stuff but it’s hardly disco.
I appreciate this. Prog should be a broad church. Anything's prog if you let it be.
I fully agree. To me it is. And to him it is as well.
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I still haven't listened to the new single, but I did order the CD single from Burning Shed, which comes with 2 exclusive songs that won't be on the special edition of the album.
-Marc.
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Personal Shopper was okay for me, but this is really the first time SW releases a track where I'm genuinely getting worried if I'm going to like the album. But we'll see. I'm allowing him one self indulgent pop record before getting back to teh pr0gz ;D
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I disliked these singles pretty strongly, but I actually don't have a problem with To The Bone at all.
I've been trying to dismantle why that's the case, but I haven't gotten very far. :lol
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I disliked these singles pretty strongly, but I actually don't have a problem with To The Bone at all.
I've been trying to dismantle why that's the case, but I haven't gotten very far. :lol
I mean, To The Bone really doesn't sound like either of the two recent singles. Sure, there's Permenating, but that's just one song and hardly a good representation of the album's overall sound. There's a handful of other songs that aren't overtly-proggy, but they're not overtly-poppy either. And that's not new territory for Steven Wilson by any means.
I like To The Bone a lot - I think it's his second-best solo album behind Hand Cannot Erase.
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I disliked these singles pretty strongly, but I actually don't have a problem with To The Bone at all.
I've been trying to dismantle why that's the case, but I haven't gotten very far. :lol
Because To The Bone could have easily been a PT or Blackfield album. It was very much a regular SW album in my opinion.
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I disliked these singles pretty strongly, but I actually don't have a problem with To The Bone at all.
I've been trying to dismantle why that's the case, but I haven't gotten very far. :lol
To The Bone was a bit more "poppy" than his previous albums, but it was still pretty proggy as well. Plus they're well written, well crafted songs, IMO. I'm sorry, but these two singles - let's just say they're far from his best. I'm still going to support him and give the album a try, but these two songs just are not the type of music I enjoy. I'm happy for those of you who can find enjoyment out of this "style" - but unfortunately that's not me.
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I don't really understand all the hate for Steven's "poppier" direction of To The Bone and the new singles (haven't heard those two though). He has put out songs like Piano Lessons and Four Chords That Made A Million before. He has been part of a project making poppy music called Blackfield and he put out disco music on his last album with Tim Bowness (Love You To Bits by no-man). No one complained. Everyone completely freaked out over To The Bone though, but I don't see how that album goes into a more pop-oriented direction than f.e. Stupid Dream or Lightbulb Sun. In fact, I agree with HOF: I think, To The Bone could have very well been a PT album.
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On reflection, I agree that To The Bone is comparable to Stupid Dream/Lightbulb Sun, but I don't think the same applies to The Future Bites. They may both be "pop" but they're very different types of pop.
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I don't really understand all the hate for Steven's "poppier" direction of To The Bone and the new singles (haven't heard those two though). He has put out songs like Piano Lessons and Four Chords That Made A Million before. He has been part of a project making poppy music called Blackfield and he put out disco music on his last album with Tim Bowness (Love You To Bits by no-man). No one complained. Everyone completely freaked out over To The Bone though, but I don't see how that album goes into a more pop-oriented direction than f.e. Stupid Dream or Lightbulb Sun. In fact, I agree with HOF: I think, To The Bone could have very well been a PT album.
They are pop, but also different styles of pop. To The Bone, Stupid Dream/Lightbulb Sun, Blackfield, are more songwriter-esque pop, with To The Bone leaning a bit to the dance side.
Personal Shopper, is pop with Disco, Funk, and some EDM bits. I personally love the way he's using these genres with his lyrics. It's like he made it this way to show exactly how people buy this shit up. It's why he had Elton John saying the shopping list.
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I don't really understand all the hate for Steven's "poppier" direction of To The Bone and the new singles (haven't heard those two though). He has put out songs like Piano Lessons and Four Chords That Made A Million before. He has been part of a project making poppy music called Blackfield and he put out disco music on his last album with Tim Bowness (Love You To Bits by no-man). No one complained. Everyone completely freaked out over To The Bone though, but I don't see how that album goes into a more pop-oriented direction than f.e. Stupid Dream or Lightbulb Sun. In fact, I agree with HOF: I think, To The Bone could have very well been a PT album.
You haven't heard the new singles yet. Would be interested to hear your opinion after you do..
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Personal Shopper, is pop with Disco, Funk, and some EDM bits. I personally love the way he's using these genres with his lyrics. It's like he made it this way to show exactly how people buy this shit up. It's why he had Elton John saying the shopping list.
That part was pretty weird. You had Elton John say ok to work with you on a song. He could have wrote/sung some lyrics. He could have played something on the piano. Nope, Steven Wilson had a list of things on a shopping list and asked Elton to just say those things without any hint of emotion. It's mind-boggling.
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I don't really understand all the hate for Steven's "poppier" direction of To The Bone and the new singles
Let me help you understand that 1.) I don't really "hate" anything except maybe eggs. 2.) I don't listen to Steven Wilson for "pop" just like I don't go to a shoe store for pancakes.
Now that Steven Wilson has moved off in a direction that doesn't interest me, I won't be getting his new CD. It's disappointing because as I mentioned in #2 I didn't get into Steven Wilson because I wanted to listen to pop music.
It's just a taste thing. I have less than no interest in pop music. It's just not my thing. No hate needed.
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2.) I don't listen to Steven Wilson for "pop" just like I don't go to a shoe store for pancakes.
But pancakes have eggs in them, which you say you hate, so duh! :biggrin:
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I was going to start a new thread for this but it’s probably best suited here.
If an artist that you had known to be “prog” for a long time suddenly shifted direction and did a completely different style *that you were otherwise a fan of* and happened to do it really well...would you accept it?
For example. Let’s say that you REALLY liked ELO, and then Dream Theater released an album in the style of ELO, but they happened to do a pretty damn good job of it...could you accept it on its own merit? Or would you be constantly hung up on the idea that “it’s not DT”?
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Honestly, and with all my respect to a musician that I truly admire, that new song makes you ask yourself "is this a joke"? Seriously, my first impression is the same when I saw MP playing on the Hello Kitty drum kit or Corey Taylor singing Sponge Bob square pants :lol
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I was going to start a new thread for this but it’s probably best suited here.
If an artist that you had known to be “prog” for a long time suddenly shifted direction and did a completely different style *that you were otherwise a fan of* and happened to do it really well...would you accept it?
For example. Let’s say that you REALLY liked ELO, and then Dream Theater released an album in the style of ELO, but they happened to do a pretty damn good job of it...could you accept it on its own merit? Or would you be constantly hung up on the idea that “it’s not DT”?
Anyone playing any genre well, I usually don't have much of a problem with. But it's just about what you come to people for. I'm generally pretty game for taking things at face value and accepting what my music library throws at me when it's next album time. But some or even most genre enthusiasts look at the music market as an actual market, where they come to pick up what they need. They aren't into DT to follow DT's artistic impulses, but to hear the DT kind of music played really well.
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Prog should be a broad church. Anything's prog if you let it be.
While I like the general idea of this, in my experience that's absolutely not how the usual prog fan approaches music.
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Prog should be a broad church. Anything's prog if you let it be.
While I like the general idea of this, in my experience that's absolutely not how the usual prog fan approaches music.
That's how a Music Fan approaches music.
Prog Snobs and Metalheads are the same, if not worse than the other genres of fans. Because they feel a sense of musical dominance, my music is better than yours type of attitude.
I personally will listen to any style of music. I do have my favorites and dislikes. But I will find songs I do like within those styles.
If you want to evolve as a musician and grow, you need to explore other styles of music, if it's good then great. If not then oh well. In this case Steven thought it was good enough to release. Or maybe it's a contract thing. Who knows in this music business world.
Honestly, and with all my respect to a musician that I truly admire, that new song makes you ask yourself "is this a joke"? Seriously, my first impression is the same when I saw MP playing on the Hello Kitty drum kit or Corey Taylor singing Sponge Bob square pants :lol
I see it as a Joke that's Serious. Meaning he's serious in the music he's making, and the joke is how he's using the popular style of Dance and Electronic music to sell his product.
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Steven Wilson has always done pop songs though from the days of Stupid Dream onwards. Not all of his songs are prog epics. I really didn’t find Personal Shopper a particularly big departure at all, it would fit pretty comfortably on most of his albums including PT. The new one is a bit more of a departure and grated a little at first but it’s pretty sophisticated pop in a Prince/Peter Gabriel kind of way. It’s not teeny bopper chart music and probably much less commercial than a song like Hand Cannot Erase which is pure pop.
Would I want SW to make albums full of jagged falsetto pop songs like Eminent Sleaze for the rest of his career? No. At the moment though, it’s one song on one album and it’s grown on me quite a bit.
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Steven Wilson has always done pop songs though from the days of Stupid Dream onwards. Not all of his songs are prog epics. I really didn’t find Personal Shopper a particularly big departure at all, it would fit pretty comfortably on most of his albums including PT. The new one is a bit more of a departure and grated a little at first but it’s pretty sophisticated pop in a Prince/Peter Gabriel kind of way. It’s not teeny bopper chart music and probably much less commercial than a song like Hand Cannot Erase which is pure pop.
Would I want SW to make albums full of jagged falsetto pop songs like Eminent Sleaze for the rest of his career? No. At the moment though, it’s one song on one album and it’s grown on me quite a bit.
Well... Hand. Cannot. Erase. (the song) is quite pop-influenced, but because of its odd time rhythms alone I wouldn't call it "pure pop"...
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https://www.facebook.com/StevenWilsonHQ/videos/2710969272564837/
Steven Wilson new interview.
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It's on Youtube as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9L5JF7oKoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9L5JF7oKoY)
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I love SW interviews, all of them are very informative and he's such a intelligent guy and also a regular, nice person. Thanks for youtube link, there's english subtitles, it helps a lot!
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Speaking of SW interviews, does anybody else listen to his podcast with Tim Bowness? They basically pick a year and then talk about all the albums they know from that year. It’s very well done and highly entertaining even if you don’t know all the music they’re talking about (and it’s a cool way to learn about new stuff).
What makes it really cool (I think) is you get their perspective as fans/music enthusiasts, but also as musicians and producers/engineers. So they can talk about all levels of an album articulately and intelligently.
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yes, The Album Years podcast has been a go-to podcast since it launched.
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So I learnt from the interview that SW has made some adjustments to the album, including a different closing track which bumps the album up over the crucial 40-minute mark. I can't tell if the running order has changed at all. I thought Personal Shopper was right in the middle of the original tracklist rather than third-from-last.
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It was originally track 6, but now it's track 7. I assume this was just to make it more vinyl-friendly, because otherwise, with the added length of the closing track, side 2 would have either been too long for vinyl or PS would've had to have been split across the two sides.
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2.) I don't listen to Steven Wilson for "pop" just like I don't go to a shoe store for pancakes.
But pancakes have eggs in them, which you say you hate, so duh! :biggrin:
Well played, young man :rollin
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We are getting punished with a new Steven Wilson song tonight. King Ghost
People that have heard this one said it sticks out for the better compared to the rest. I have been excited for each track though, nothing has changed for this one. How do people already have the lyrics though?
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We are getting punished with a new Steven Wilson song tonight. King Ghost
People that have heard this one said it sticks out for the better compared to the rest. I have been excited for each track though, nothing has changed for this one. How do people already have the lyrics though?
The song leaked many months ago. I think it was supposed to be the 2nd single, but it got taken down & the song's "real" release got pushed back when the album delayed.
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Listening to Welcome To My DNA, and noticed that Oxygen sounds familiar...
It's Hand. Cannot. Erase.
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Listening to Welcome To My DNA, and noticed that Oxygen sounds familiar...
It's Hand. Cannot. Erase.
Oxygen is better though, and came out earlier.
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Listening to Welcome To My DNA, and noticed that Oxygen sounds familiar...
It's Hand. Cannot. Erase.
Oxygen is better though, and came out earlier.
Me, being me, played them back to back, and I don't know which one I want to come first. They both go into each other really well, and it's like, you have Avivs Section, where he takes the lead role, and then Stevens section, where he takes the lead role.
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King Ghost is easily the best of the three singles thus far, though that's a bit of a low bar. The electronic production is really nice on this one.
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Listening to Welcome To My DNA, and noticed that Oxygen sounds familiar...
It's Hand. Cannot. Erase.
Don't hear it at all.
And while I think Oxygen is a good tune, Hand. Cannot. Erase. is miles ahead of it in every way imo.
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sigh...it's like that time when people had the ridiculous idea that Same Asylum was Prodigal again...
This thread is insanely toxic.
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sigh...it's like that time when people had the ridiculous idea that Same Asylum was Prodigal again...
This thread is insanely toxic.
What? :rollin
Nobody's even attacking anyone here. You can have the opinion that pointing out similarities between songs is stupid and pointless (I don't entirely disagree) but where the hell are you pulling "toxic" from?
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Is the red lettering over Steven Wilson's face really the cover for this album? :rollin
Talk about analog :lol
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Oh, wait, was that too toxic ::)
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Same Asylum being like Prodigal seems like a fair, reasonable comparison. Not exactly the same of course, but similar styles/arrangements/choruses.
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Same Asylum being like Prodigal seems like a fair, reasonable comparison. Not exactly the same of course, but similar styles/arrangements/choruses.
There's definitely some similarities, especially the post-chorus riffs. That, of course, doesn't make them the same song. It makes sense for an artist to repeat themselves stylistically and compositionally here and there.
Oxygen on the other hand... just listened to that for the first time and I would have never compared that to Hand Cannot Erase. They barely sound alike at all.
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Same Asylum being like Prodigal seems like a fair, reasonable comparison. Not exactly the same of course, but similar styles/arrangements/choruses.
There's definitely some similarities, especially the post-chorus riffs. That, of course, doesn't make them the same song. It makes sense for an artist to repeat themselves stylistically and compositionally here and there.
Oxygen on the other hand... just listened to that for the first time and I would have never compared that to Hand Cannot Erase. They barely sound alike at all.
It's mainly the Vocals rhythm and style, also it has that same vibe...I found that similarity pretty neat.
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Speaking of SW interviews, does anybody else listen to his podcast with Tim Bowness? They basically pick a year and then talk about all the albums they know from that year. It’s very well done and highly entertaining even if you don’t know all the music they’re talking about (and it’s a cool way to learn about new stuff).
What makes it really cool (I think) is you get their perspective as fans/music enthusiasts, but also as musicians and producers/engineers. So they can talk about all levels of an album articulately and intelligently.
I've been listening to it. I love the podcast but I wish they would slow down just a bit, they both sound like drank a gallon of coffee right before the podcast.
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Speaking of SW interviews, does anybody else listen to his podcast with Tim Bowness? They basically pick a year and then talk about all the albums they know from that year. It’s very well done and highly entertaining even if you don’t know all the music they’re talking about (and it’s a cool way to learn about new stuff).
What makes it really cool (I think) is you get their perspective as fans/music enthusiasts, but also as musicians and producers/engineers. So they can talk about all levels of an album articulately and intelligently.
I've been listening to it. I love the podcast but I wish they would slow down just a bit, they both sound like drank a gallon of coffee right before the podcast.
This was not something I anticipated from either of them (the talking a million miles an hour thing). I expected them to be more like the NPR radio hosts from SNL, but this is more like Fry and Laurie.
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I don't care if SW wants to make prog or not, that's not why I didn't really feel the first two singles. Personal Shopper starts out in pure dark SW mode, but then the ABBA choruses just turn me off. Eminent Sleaze has fantastic production but the song just doesn't make me feel anything. I also don't think it's funky or anything.. it sounds too intellectual to really groove.
But King Ghost though, I have to say I'm relieved to hear he's still got it this time around. Really a beautiful track. Love the synth patterns and vocal production. The wordless chorus with the falset voice works very well! The melody is so strong, I'm not bothered at all by the absence of actual lyrics there.
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This thread is insanely toxic.
Dude that's nothing. Have you seen the comments on Wilson's Facebook page?
Also, I am in a German progressive rock community on Facebook and somehow they always bash him, no matter what he does. I think it has something to do with prog fans not liking when one of their artists is becoming commercially successful because then that artist is no longer an insider's tip and the fans are not better than others anymore because they know and listen to said artist. Sometimes one of those guys writes "okay, this is actually not that bad" under a link someone posted in there and I always have to think "wow thank God you like it, I'm sure Steven will be very happy to hear that YOU have mercy with him and that he could please you". Of course everyone can like what they want to and dislike Wilson's new direction. But I am sick of so many people being so full of themselves thinking they could tell someone like Steven Wilson what to do. I have read somewhere that liking his new music is betrayal (!) to the older stuff. As mentioned, like what you want, but that arrogance is just making me sick.
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I read through SW's page and it's truly pathetic but not shocking.
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Very enjoyable song. I would prefer acoustic sounding percussion elements but I still like it. Love the chorus.
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Easily the best song of the 3. But as someone else said, that's not saying much. I love that he's always trying new things and being truly "progressive", even if I don't always like it. You can't hit a home run every time - especially when you change your style this drastically. So while all indications so far are that this will be my least favorite of his solo records, based on the apparent style and the songs we've heard so far - I hold out hope that his next release will be a complete 180 and something that does resonate with me.
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Gotye does that style of music better.
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Gotye does that style of music better.
+1
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I am in a German progressive rock community on Facebook and somehow they always bash him, no matter what he does.
There's only two kinds of prog communities: "DT is washed up and they need to retire" and "SW has lost the plot and he should retire".
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The three singles have grown on me a lot in the past day or so, & King Ghost also is my favourite of the three. :tup
(edit: typos)
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I think Steven's falsetto isn't very good. Other than that, I do think it's a solid song.
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I watched that interview he did the other week and the outcry over him calling PT a side project seems even more ridiculous now. He was talking about his career as a whole and how it started with No-Man and PT when it was formed was basically the side project to that, and when PT took off the focus shifted more towards that and No-Man became the side project essentially. But judging on some of the response on FB and reddit, and the headlines of some articles you would have thought he said something outrageous.
It's been a while since SW made an album I really liked (GFD, but even in retrospect a lot of that love has faded) and with Raven, HCE and TTB his albums have fallen lower and lower on my 'best of the year' lists, even though I've still enjoyed them. So while my hype for a new SW album in 2020 isn't nearly as big as it was a decade ago, I think the fact he is shaking things up and going for something different is still keeping the spark alive for me. Even though none of the songs so far have wowed me, I'm still very much interested to hear the new stuff once it comes out. SW talked in the interview about how many bands find their niche or winning formula and they build a career out of that but he was always wants to try new things. I think 'admire' is a good word. There are bands I like more than SW that I feel less admiration for because they are sticking to what they know. With SW you can tell a lot of fans won't like this and some are even outraged about it, and he's doing it because he wants to.
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Easily the best song of the 3. But as someone else said, that's not saying much. I love that he's always trying new things and being truly "progressive", even if I don't always like it. You can't hit a home run every time - especially when you change your style this drastically. So while all indications so far are that this will be my least favorite of his solo records, based on the apparent style and the songs we've heard so far - I hold out hope that his next release will be a complete 180 and something that does resonate with me.
I was trying to think of another artist who has morphed this much over a 10 to 15 year period and I guess the only thing that comes close in my collection would be Pain of Salvation who kind of went from Prog metal to almost a grunge style (Roadsalt albums) then back to prog metal with the last two albums.
I only really like a very small slice of Steven Wilson's overall output. The only albums of his that I ever listen to are In Absentia, Deadwing, The Raven and Hand.Cannot.Erase - so my expectations for his albums are always pretty low, but I'm with you, I'd really like to hear something more in line with The Raven or HCE
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I watched that interview he did the other week and the outcry over him calling PT a side project seems even more ridiculous now. He was talking about his career as a whole and how it started with No-Man and PT when it was formed was basically the side project to that, and when PT took off the focus shifted more towards that and No-Man became the side project essentially. But judging on some of the response on FB and reddit, and the headlines of some articles you would have thought he said something outrageous.
It's been a while since SW made an album I really liked (GFD, but even in retrospect a lot of that love has faded) and with Raven, HCE and TTB his albums have fallen lower and lower on my 'best of the year' lists, even though I've still enjoyed them. So while my hype for a new SW album in 2020 isn't nearly as big as it was a decade ago, I think the fact he is shaking things up and going for something different is still keeping the spark alive for me. Even though none of the songs so far have wowed me, I'm still very much interested to hear the new stuff once it comes out. SW talked in the interview about how many bands find their niche or winning formula and they build a career out of that but he was always wants to try new things. I think 'admire' is a good word. There are bands I like more than SW that I feel less admiration for because they are sticking to what they know. With SW you can tell a lot of fans won't like this and some are even outraged about it, and he's doing it because he wants to.
That's basically Social Media in a nutshell. People post all this ridiculousness in their comments. But, once you actually look at it yourself, you find out it's not exactly what they are portraying it to be. It's why I really try not to assume much of anything anymore, until I actually see it for myself, if I am able to. If not, I then make an assumption with the momento it can change when I get more information.
It is pretty funny though once you really snap, these bands are considered PROGRESSIVE. And are actually doing what that term describes. They're progressing the way they compose their music. Doesn't mean I have to enjoy it either, but they are doing what their Genre entails and fans are upset about it. So I find that funny as all hell.
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So I got my Eminent Sleaze single CD last week and... I haven't listened to it yet. I've kind of been luke-warm on his music lately. The recent singles were OK, but I think I won't enjoy them until I hear the whole album in context. I honestly don't know why I got the single. Maybe because it seemed like it would be difficult to buy later on? I have regretted not buying the big deluxe editions of his earlier albums.
-Marc.
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So I got my Eminent Sleaze single CD last week and... I haven't listened to it yet. I've kind of been luke-warm on his music lately. The recent singles were OK, but I think I won't enjoy them until I hear the whole album in context. I honestly don't know why I got the single. Maybe because it seemed like it would be difficult to buy later on? I have regretted not buying the big deluxe editions of his earlier albums.
-Marc.
I bought the Eminent Sleaze Record Store Day vinyl single for exactly that reason. It's still sitting right next to the Home Invasion box set within my collection - wrapped ;) Just like you, I won't listen to the singles Steven puts out. In fact, I haven't heard a single note from the new songs.
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About time I listened to King Ghost, and as always with the songs I don't bother with until late, It's great.
I'm loving the synth key sounds, and the beat behind those.
This one has solidified my interest in buying the cd.
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Not to derail...I would put Bowie very high on the list of those who morphed drastically.
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I do see Steven Wilson as a bit of a modern day Bowie. Not in terms of crazy outfits and probably not even in terms of how he sounds. Just a guy who makes sophisticated intelligent music and doesn’t pander to his audience but still manages to be successful. He’s nowhere near the legendary status of David Bowie nor has he written iconic songs so I am not putting him on that level, I just kind of see him as an artist of the same ilk.
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https://youtu.be/7wZrYAgf8d8
New single premiers in less than 13 minutes. I'd stay up to listen to it but I'm really tired, so I'll check back in the morning.
-Marc.
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https://youtu.be/7wZrYAgf8d8
New single premiers in less than 13 minutes. I'd stay up to listen to it but I'm really tired, so I'll check back in the morning.
-Marc.
I wish Steven would just stop releasing singles off this album.
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https://youtu.be/7wZrYAgf8d8
New single premiers in less than 13 minutes. I'd stay up to listen to it but I'm really tired, so I'll check back in the morning.
-Marc.
I wish Steven would just stop releasing singles off this album.
Hasn't he released the whole album as individual songs by now? :p
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https://youtu.be/7wZrYAgf8d8
New single premiers in less than 13 minutes. I'd stay up to listen to it but I'm really tired, so I'll check back in the morning.
-Marc.
I wish Steven would just stop releasing singles off this album.
Yeah, for someone who's said he doesn't like releasing singles out of context, he sure seems to be doing that a lot this time, especially for such a short album. Maybe it's just a consolation for the huge delay, but still strange.
Anyway, I liked the song. It's quite poppy & radio-friendly, but the melodies are strong & I like the production. It also reminds me a lot of 2000s Porcupine Tree (namely The Rest Will Flow). This isn't what I was expecting, but I'll gladly take it. :tup
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I stopped paying attention to the singles. It's better to wait for the whole thing. ;D
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From Steven’s FB page:
THE FUTURE BITES. ULTRA DELUXE MUSIC PRODUCT ON OBSOLETE MEDIA. LIMITED EDITION OF ONE. £10,000. All proceeds to Music Venue Trust. https://store.thefuturebites.com
In addition, new single 12 THINGS I FORGOT from THE FUTURE BITES is online everywhere now! https://StevenWilson.lnk.to/12TIFSo
The ULTRA DELUXE MUSIC PRODUCT ON OBSOLETE MEDIA bespoke box includes the already announced deluxe box set of the album, and a plethora of additional exclusive music and artwork, hand-written lyrics, video props, and items of personal ephemera from Steven Wilson’s archive. A truly incredible and unique collector’s piece for one single collector!
Full contents are:
- A one sided 7 inch single containing the track THE TASTEMAKER, a song from the album sessions that will never be released anywhere else. Only ONE copy of this single has been pressed!
- Unique designer laptop bag as used in EMINENT SLEAZE video
- THE FUTURE BITES album test pressing
- EMINENT SLEAZE’ 12 inch single test pressing (with b-sides EYEWITNESS / IN FLORAL GREEN)
- 12 THINGS I FORGOT 12 inch single test pressing (with b-sides MOVE LIKE A FEVER / KING GHOST - TANGERINE DREAM REMIX)
- Hand-made CDR of a one-off 2016 soundcheck performance by the SW band of a cover version never otherwise performed live
- Steven's Grammy nomination certificate and medal from 2011 for Grace For Drowning, which was nominated for best surround sound mix
- Printed materials used in the EMINENT SLEAZE video
- 6 x laminated AAA passes for various tours between 2011-18
- Polaroids taken during THE FUTURE BITES cover shoot photo session
- An original drawing of Steven Wilson by German artist Hajo Mueller
- Original lyric sheets for various songs written between 1996-2020. These are the actual sheets Steven used when recording the songs and they contain his corrections, notes and rejected lines. Included are COUNT OF UNEASE, FOLLOWER, EMINENT SLEAZE, Salvaging, Veneno Para Las Hadas, PERSONAL SHOPPER, The Raven that Refused to Sing, and Dark Matter.
All items are housed in their own bespoke folders and packaging, created especially for this single copy edition.
“The ultra edition of THE FUTURE BITES takes the whole notion of deluxe limited editions to its logical and extreme conclusion, by being just a premium priced single copy. This approach is more analogous with the world of art, where only one person can own the actual painting with the artist’s brush strokes on it. Many of the contents are things that in reality are impossible for me to put a price on.
With regard to the 2 exclusive audio items included, it’s entirely up to the purchaser as to whether they decide to share, or keep them to themselves. Do they want to exhibit ‘the painting’, or put it on ‘display’ for everyone else?” - SW
All proceeds from the sale of ULTRA DELUXE MUSIC PRODUCT ON OBSOLETE MEDIA will go directly to the Music Venue Trust to help save grassroots venues across the UK affected by COVID-19. Many of these are venues that Steven spent his formative years performing in.
“The first Porcupine Tree show was in a small club called The Nag’s Head in High Wycombe, in fact for the first ten years the band gigged solely in that subterranean world of clubs and pub venues. As someone who has never really been a part of the mainstream I can safely say I wouldn’t even be here without these venues and the people who run them. Live music is an inspiration and magical thing for so many people, so it’s essential we work now to save these places for future generations of both artists and fans.”
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From Steven’s FB page:
THE FUTURE BITES. ULTRA DELUXE MUSIC PRODUCT ON OBSOLETE MEDIA. LIMITED EDITION OF ONE. £10,000. All proceeds to Music Venue Trust. https://store.thefuturebites.com
In addition, new single 12 THINGS I FORGOT from THE FUTURE BITES is online everywhere now! https://StevenWilson.lnk.to/12TIFSo
The ULTRA DELUXE MUSIC PRODUCT ON OBSOLETE MEDIA bespoke box includes the already announced deluxe box set of the album, and a plethora of additional exclusive music and artwork, hand-written lyrics, video props, and items of personal ephemera from Steven Wilson’s archive. A truly incredible and unique collector’s piece for one single collector!
Full contents are:
- A one sided 7 inch single containing the track THE TASTEMAKER, a song from the album sessions that will never be released anywhere else. Only ONE copy of this single has been pressed!
- Unique designer laptop bag as used in EMINENT SLEAZE video
- THE FUTURE BITES album test pressing
- EMINENT SLEAZE’ 12 inch single test pressing (with b-sides EYEWITNESS / IN FLORAL GREEN)
- 12 THINGS I FORGOT 12 inch single test pressing (with b-sides MOVE LIKE A FEVER / KING GHOST - TANGERINE DREAM REMIX)
- Hand-made CDR of a one-off 2016 soundcheck performance by the SW band of a cover version never otherwise performed live
- Steven's Grammy nomination certificate and medal from 2011 for Grace For Drowning, which was nominated for best surround sound mix
- Printed materials used in the EMINENT SLEAZE video
- 6 x laminated AAA passes for various tours between 2011-18
- Polaroids taken during THE FUTURE BITES cover shoot photo session
- An original drawing of Steven Wilson by German artist Hajo Mueller
- Original lyric sheets for various songs written between 1996-2020. These are the actual sheets Steven used when recording the songs and they contain his corrections, notes and rejected lines. Included are COUNT OF UNEASE, FOLLOWER, EMINENT SLEAZE, Salvaging, Veneno Para Las Hadas, PERSONAL SHOPPER, The Raven that Refused to Sing, and Dark Matter.
All items are housed in their own bespoke folders and packaging, created especially for this single copy edition.
“The ultra edition of THE FUTURE BITES takes the whole notion of deluxe limited editions to its logical and extreme conclusion, by being just a premium priced single copy. This approach is more analogous with the world of art, where only one person can own the actual painting with the artist’s brush strokes on it. Many of the contents are things that in reality are impossible for me to put a price on.
With regard to the 2 exclusive audio items included, it’s entirely up to the purchaser as to whether they decide to share, or keep them to themselves. Do they want to exhibit ‘the painting’, or put it on ‘display’ for everyone else?” - SW
All proceeds from the sale of ULTRA DELUXE MUSIC PRODUCT ON OBSOLETE MEDIA will go directly to the Music Venue Trust to help save grassroots venues across the UK affected by COVID-19. Many of these are venues that Steven spent his formative years performing in.
“The first Porcupine Tree show was in a small club called The Nag’s Head in High Wycombe, in fact for the first ten years the band gigged solely in that subterranean world of clubs and pub venues. As someone who has never really been a part of the mainstream I can safely say I wouldn’t even be here without these venues and the people who run them. Live music is an inspiration and magical thing for so many people, so it’s essential we work now to save these places for future generations of both artists and fans.”
I think that's kinda hilarious :lol
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That's EXTREMELY cool.
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Does he see the irony? *insert lyrics of Personal Shopper here* ;)
But at least it's for a good cause.
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I would think he surely does. The whole marketing campaign for this album feels very tongue-in-cheek.
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Does he see the irony? *insert lyrics of Personal Shopper here* ;)
But at least it's for a good cause.
I think that’s exactly what this whole thing is about ;)
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He's probably sitting at home, laughing about it all. But sometimes I'm not sure if he's not really an arrogant snob.
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Listened to the single just before passing out last night. It was....okay. This is certainly shaping up to be an interesting album, but with every single I listen to, I'm more and more glad I didn't shell out for the big box set and just pre-ordered the normal CD.
I wonder if this will be the last single release considering the album is due out in less than 2 months? I also wonder if he wishes he just released the album in the summer because at this rate, it doesn't look like he'll be able to tour the way he wants to for at least another half-year.
-Marc.
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Does he see the irony? *insert lyrics of Personal Shopper here* ;)
But at least it's for a good cause.
I think that’s exactly what this whole thing is about ;)
I'm loving it... :lol :lol
But damn, that is one expensive designer handbag. :biggrin:
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Very milquetoast song. Without the lyrics it's entirely forgettable. Nothing to grab my attention and hold it. Background music while doing chores. Gonna pass on this release and see how he morphs next time.
Props to him for following his muse though.
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I stopped paying attention to the singles. It's better to wait for the whole thing. ;D
As with Transatlantic's new upcoming release, I haven't heard any of the new tracks or samples of the new albums. Will just hear the entire thing. I've found I enjoy the album a lot more when I do that, similar to not watching trailers for upcoming movies or shows.
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Very milquetoast song. Without the lyrics it's entirely forgettable. Nothing to grab my attention and hold it. Background music while doing chores. Gonna pass on this release and see how he morphs next time.
Props to him for following his muse though.
I've heard it once and have no desire to hear it again, which is extremely weird for me after being a huge fan of his since 2002. The whole song and arrangement/chords is typical SW but I'm not feeling the magic this time around.
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Sounds like a Blackfield song. Same as emtee, not feeling this one either.
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At this point I have heard more than half of the album (4 singles together are somewhere in the 20 minutes total, album is 42 minutes) and basically every song is solid but forgettable for me, which means at least half the album is. So this time I'll pass buying it as well.
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Music video for Personal Shopper
https://youtu.be/sX22dFMSNcg
That is a fantastic music video. Perfectly describes the song. Perfect for today as well.
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Music video for Personal Shopper
https://youtu.be/sX22dFMSNcg
That is a fantastic music video. Perfectly describes the song. Perfect for today as well.
Great video. The song is still one I merely like, but I almost always like videos that are that arty and creative. :hat :hat
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Music video for Personal Shopper
https://youtu.be/sX22dFMSNcg
That is a fantastic music video. Perfectly describes the song. Perfect for today as well.
Great video. The song is still one I merely like, but I almost always like videos that are that arty and creative. :hat :hat
The entire album is very creative and arty. Reminds me of Bowie, in that Art aspect. And Prince with the creativity within the art and music. Actually this album is reminding me of a mix of Bowie and Prince. But we'll see when it gets released.
I do see Steven Wilson as a bit of a modern day Bowie. Not in terms of crazy outfits and probably not even in terms of how he sounds. Just a guy who makes sophisticated intelligent music and doesn’t pander to his audience but still manages to be successful. He’s nowhere near the legendary status of David Bowie nor has he written iconic songs so I am not putting him on that level, I just kind of see him as an artist of the same ilk.
While typing that and looking for something else, saw this. It's not just me then, and a lot of other people likely notice this. :lol
Makes me wonder just exactly how he was planning on doing the touring. How he would've fit that aspect into the concept, with the ticketing, venues, promotion, and Day of show dealings within the venue. Kind of like how Dream Theater had that NOMAC screen to give you your Astonishing name and whether you are either part of Ravenskill or Great Northern Empire.
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The entire album is very creative and arty. Reminds me of Bowie, in that Art aspect. And Prince with the creativity within the art and music. Actually this album is reminding me of a mix of Bowie and Prince. But we'll see when it gets released.
When you look at the direction he went on To the Bone and the sound of these new songs so far, I think it goes without saying that the deaths of Bowie and Prince made him want to chase the internal part of his musical self that has always been influenced by those two.
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The entire album is very creative and arty. Reminds me of Bowie, in that Art aspect. And Prince with the creativity within the art and music. Actually this album is reminding me of a mix of Bowie and Prince. But we'll see when it gets released.
When you look at the direction he went on To the Bone and the sound of these new songs so far, I think it goes without saying that the deaths of Bowie and Prince made him want to chase the internal part of his musical self that has always been influenced by those two.
I never realized about that. Good point. That makes a lot of sense, and shows just how much the music of Prince and Bowie really affected Steven.
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The entire album is very creative and arty. Reminds me of Bowie, in that Art aspect. And Prince with the creativity within the art and music. Actually this album is reminding me of a mix of Bowie and Prince. But we'll see when it gets released.
When you look at the direction he went on To the Bone and the sound of these new songs so far, I think it goes without saying that the deaths of Bowie and Prince made him want to chase the internal part of his musical self that has always been influenced by those two.
Very interesting point indeed!
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No one commenting on the EP? I really like 2 of the 3 new songs, not sure about Move Like a Fever yet. Love Eye Witness and Love the chorus of In Floral Green.
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No one commenting on the EP? I really like 2 of the 3 new songs, not sure about Move Like a Fever yet. Love Eye Witness and Love the chorus of In Floral Green.
Well, I plan to listen to all released songs together with the album, once I am able to listen to the whole thing ;) I already have the Eminent and 12 Things vinyl singles standing in my collection, unopened. It seems like there is actually more "extra" music than on the actual album :lol I hope, Steven will release this EP on vinyl, too.
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No one commenting on the EP? I really like 2 of the 3 new songs, not sure about Move Like a Fever yet. Love Eye Witness and Love the chorus of In Floral Green.
Well, I plan to listen to all released songs together with the album, once I am able to listen to the whole thing ;) I already have the Eminent and 12 Things vinyl singles standing in my collection, unopened. It seems like there is actually more "extra" music than on the actual album :lol I hope, Steven will release this EP on vinyl, too.
Listening to B-sides won’t spoil the album though surely. The remix of the album track bears virtually no resemblance to the album version either. It’s barely even recognisable as the same song.
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Sorry, just re-read what you said, now I get it. For me it’s something to tide me over until the album arrives!
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Sorry, just re-read what you said, now I get it. For me it’s something to tide me over until the album arrives!
In the beginning it was quite hard, but now I got used to resisting the pre-released songs of my favourite artists. I want hear everything together with fresh ears ;)
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I heard Eyewitness a few weeks ago and love it to pieces. Easily my favorite so far, and it's not even an album track! SW is funny like that sometimes.
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Sorry, just re-read what you said, now I get it. For me it’s something to tide me over until the album arrives!
In the beginning it was quite hard, but now I got used to resisting the pre-released songs of my favourite artists. I want hear everything together with fresh ears ;)
Oh, I totally get not listening to actual album tracks as you can wear out those songs by the time the album arrives if you’re not careful. Not really thought about B-sides so much but I suppose if you’re going to kind of add them onto the album it makes more sense. I can’t resist even when it’s album tracks but I do try to limit myself and not listen to them too many times. With this B-sides EP though, I just see it as a separate entity and it won’t spoil the proper album for me by listening to it as I probably won’t listen to them together.
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Voyage 34 is the latest in the Future Bites sessions! This might be my favorite version of it yet, as it is more compact and not so drawn out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Ql5nVY4Ao
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So here's a question about Voyage 34.
It was recorded and released well before I became a Steven Wilson fan, and I've never bothered buying it (or indeed listening to it). Yesterday, he announced he would be playing it on tour next year so I looked it up on Spotify. There are four separate parts to the track listed there but on reading up about it, it appears only Phase I and Phase II may make up the actual track since Phases III and IV appear to be remixed added a later date. Phase II also appears to have been added at a later date but seems to have been an extension of the original track. Am I understanding this correctly? Will it just be Phase I he's likely to play?
Too much confusion for this early on a Saturday morning!
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So here's a question about Voyage 34.
It was recorded and released well before I became a Steven Wilson fan, and I've never bothered buying it (or indeed listening to it). Yesterday, he announced he would be playing it on tour next year so I looked it up on Spotify. There are four separate parts to the track listed there but on reading up about it, it appears only Phase I and Phase II may make up the actual track since Phases III and IV appear to be remixed added a later date. Phase II also appears to have been added at a later date but seems to have been an extension of the original track. Am I understanding this correctly? Will it just be Phase I he's likely to play?
Too much confusion for this early on a Saturday morning!
There's probably less than zero chance you'd see anything other than Phase I. I think Phase II made some impromptu appearances back in the early to mid 90's, but only Phase I has seen any sort of regular live play over the years.
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Thanks for that. It's a really good track. Strange how I'd never heard it before now.
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It's a pretty unique song in PT's catalog. Have you heard Up The Downstair and Sky Moves Sideways? They're the closest to that sound/style
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I love voyage 34! I think it’s a perfect example of how borrowing an idea, fleshing it out, and making it your own can be extremely healthy for artistic expression.
He basically took the first 20 seconds of Run Like Hell, slowed it down ever so slightly, and then “riffed” on the idea for 15 minutes. I think it’s absolutely brilliant.
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No one commenting on the EP? I really like 2 of the 3 new songs, not sure about Move Like a Fever yet. Love Eye Witness and Love the chorus of In Floral Green.
Anyone got links to this EP/b-sides?
Actual b-sides in 2020 is a small miracle.
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No one commenting on the EP? I really like 2 of the 3 new songs, not sure about Move Like a Fever yet. Love Eye Witness and Love the chorus of In Floral Green.
Anyone got links to this EP/b-sides?
Actual b-sides in 2020 is a small miracle.
It's on Spotify, if you have access.
Thanks for the info about Voyage 34, folks. It really is a splendid track, isn't it? Also like the shortened version he's just put out on YouTube as part of The Future Bites Sessions. Actually, he's done some really nice stuff as part of those.
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The EP tracks are also on his YouTube channel.
I dug Eyewitness and the Tangerine Dream remix the most, more so than the actual album cuts from The Future Bites.
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Steven Wilson just released a video of him covering a recent Taylor Swift song to close out 2020.
Yep. That's 2020 for ya.
-Marc.
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As a recent convert to Taylor Swift (her two 2020 albums, mainly), this is pretty cool to see.
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Steven Wilson just released a video of him covering a recent Taylor Swift song to close out 2020.
Yep. That's 2020 for ya.
-Marc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUGVuqakYtE
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It's a nice cover, with the added bonus of aggravating the fans who are still crying themselves to sleep every night because he has the nerve to make new music that isn't prog. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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As someone who has zero interest in Taylor Swift (then again as a 29 y/o man i'm hardly the target audience anyways) I don't get why people get so upset over things like this. An artist covering another artist is interesting to me not because of who they cover but how they do it. If SW wants to do a Jay-Z cover next, that's cool. Let's see what he does. Not being familiar with the original Taylor Swift song, I can't say if this is better or worse than the original but just judging it on its own it's like a B-tier SW song but it's not bad. It's alright.
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As someone who has zero interest in Taylor Swift (then again as a 29 y/o man i'm hardly the target audience anyways)
Well, I'm 47 and couldn't care less what her perceived target audience is. If I like the music, I like the music.
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It seems to me that Taylor Swift now is so big that she doesn't have to worry about a target audience, otherwise I doubt she would have done the two 2020 albums that she did.
But let's face it, SW has always covered a wide range of styles, like in his cover series back in the 00's where he covered (among others) The Cure, Prince, Alanis Morissette and ABBA (among others), so I wasn't really surprised at all when I saw this yesterday about him covering a Taylor Swift song.
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Agreed. As it relates to Taylor Swift, the concept of a target audience is outdated.
Substantial parts of both Folklore and Evermore sound like they could have been written by Steven. Right in his wheelhouse.
I just don't understand why people lose their shit over this kind of thing. I mean, this is a chap who's repeatedly said he doesn't belong conform to one specific genre and his career-long body of work confirms that is indeed the case.
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I think it's an ego thing, really. A big part of the prog aesthetic is being "more advanced" than the norm, so some (emphasis on SOME) fans of the genre tend to interpret that as the genre being objectively better, & by extension, them being smarter for enjoying it. When something shatters that (like a prog artist paying tribute to a pop one), I think there's some cognitive dissonance at play there, which combined with the ego element of it, makes for a very emotional response.
That's not a justification btw, but it is kind of a sad reality (if I'm correct in assuming that's what's happening). :-\
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I think it's an ego thing, really. A big part of the prog aesthetic is being "more advanced" than the norm, so some (emphasis on SOME) fans of the genre tend to interpret that as the genre being objectively better, & by extension, them being smarter for enjoying it. When something shatters that (like a prog artist paying tribute to a pop one), I think there's some cognitive dissonance at play there, which combined with the ego element of it, makes for a very emotional response.
That's not a justification btw, but it is kind of a sad reality (if I'm correct in assuming that's what's happening). :-\
It does indeed happen. I've read some astounding mental gimnastics on certain forums from prog fans trying to justify why they love a pop/rock artist by saying they have prog elements in their music.
EDIT: maybe it's not clear from my post, I'm not saying it's necessary to justify yourself, quite the opposite. Just enjoy whatever you like, if someone is critizicing your taste and acting superior because of it they're probably a huge asshole to begin with. Normal people generally just don't care what you like or why you like it, don't waste your time trying to adhere to a perceived "norm".
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I think it's an ego thing, really. A big part of the prog aesthetic is being "more advanced" than the norm, so some (emphasis on SOME) fans of the genre tend to interpret that as the genre being objectively better, & by extension, them being smarter for enjoying it. When something shatters that (like a prog artist paying tribute to a pop one), I think there's some cognitive dissonance at play there, which combined with the ego element of it, makes for a very emotional response.
That's not a justification btw, but it is kind of a sad reality (if I'm correct in assuming that's what's happening). :-\
This is absolutely at play and the same thing happens with metal fans when a metal band throws in something unexpected.
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I think it's an ego thing, really. A big part of the prog aesthetic is being "more advanced" than the norm, so some (emphasis on SOME) fans of the genre tend to interpret that as the genre being objectively better, & by extension, them being smarter for enjoying it. When something shatters that (like a prog artist paying tribute to a pop one), I think there's some cognitive dissonance at play there, which combined with the ego element of it, makes for a very emotional response.
That's not a justification btw, but it is kind of a sad reality (if I'm correct in assuming that's what's happening). :-\
This is absolutely at play and the same thing happens with metal fans when a metal band throws in something unexpected.
Don't get me started on "Pussy" songs. Or the "chick" songs. :lol
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I think it's an ego thing, really. A big part of the prog aesthetic is being "more advanced" than the norm, so some (emphasis on SOME) fans of the genre tend to interpret that as the genre being objectively better, & by extension, them being smarter for enjoying it. When something shatters that (like a prog artist paying tribute to a pop one), I think there's some cognitive dissonance at play there, which combined with the ego element of it, makes for a very emotional response.
That's not a justification btw, but it is kind of a sad reality (if I'm correct in assuming that's what's happening). :-\
Regrettably, I used to have that prog snob mentality (thank goodness I grew out of it a long time ago), so I agree with this take.
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We had the radio on the other day :omg: while playing board games with the kids and some song comes on, kinda catchy, whatever, I'm not really paying much attention, and my wife says "You can change it if you want". It hadn't occurred to me to change the station, so I asked her why. It was a Taylor Swift song, and she assumed I hated Taylor Swift, so it was okay with her if I changed the station.
I don't hate Taylor Swift. Actually, I think she's cute, but she wears way too much makeup. But as far as her music goes, I wouldn't recognize it from any of a thousand other pop singers. Mrs. Orbert just assumed that I don't like "that kind of music". What is that, reverse prog snobbery? Assuming someone doesn't like something because it's not prog? Pop music isn't my bag, but it's not like I hear the first two chords and reach for the remote. If I recognize the song and know it's something I don't like, sure, I'll switch to something else, but honestly I've never really listened to most popular artists, so I have no real opinion of any of them.
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We had the radio on the other day :omg: while playing board games with the kids and some song comes on, kinda catchy, whatever, I'm not really paying much attention, and my wife says "You can change it if you want". It hadn't occurred to me to change the station, so I asked her why. It was a Taylor Swift song, and she assumed I hated Taylor Swift, so it was okay with her if I changed the station.
I don't hate Taylor Swift. Actually, I think she's cute, but she wears way too much makeup. But as far as her music goes, I wouldn't recognize it from any of a thousand other pop singers. Mrs. Orbert just assumed that I don't like "that kind of music". What is that, reverse prog snobbery? Assuming someone doesn't like something because it's not prog? Pop music isn't my bag, but it's not like I hear the first two chords and reach for the remote. If I recognize the song and know it's something I don't like, sure, I'll switch to something else, but honestly I've never really listened to most popular artists, so I have no real opinion of any of them.
I hear ya, but you have never struck me as someone who would dismiss non-prog on site.
It's funny because a friend (whom I have known for 30+ years now) was totally perplexed when I told him that I had discovered that Taylor Swift had some good music and jokingly asked, "What, are you listening to her because she's hot?" And I was like, "She's hot?" Sorry, but that "I am wearing tons of makeup" look to me is quite unappealing. I will take the more natural look. Taylor is kinda cute, but I would never listen to someone's music solely because she's cute/hot, otherwise I would have been blasting Britney Spears from the rooftops back in the early 00's. :lol :lol
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Ever since the advent of music videos, looks have been important, and have continued to become more important. Not the only factor, often not the most important, but it's in there somewhere. Countless people out there can sing or write a song; all else being equal, the one with the looks is gonna beat out the one without. I don't know how much it affects things, but it has to somehow. So it's no surprise that most pop singers are hot. My daughter and I were just talking about this this afternoon, and she completely agrees. No question that looks help. Way back in the 80's, Frank Zappa spoke against the very concept of music videos because it will lead to "music that looks good, not necessarily music that sounds good" (or something very close to that). He also admitted that they were the future and were here to stay, and eventually he embraced music video as a medium, but as a purist, he was most definitely against it and what it meant for the music industry.
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Fair points by Mr. Zappa, but you have to adjust with the times. The 80's were loaded with artists who made their bones in the 70's (or even the 60's) and continued to flourish due to making good, memorable videos - Billy Joel, Yes, Genesis, ZZ Top, Bowie, Fleetwood Mac, etc. The list goes on and on. Was that a good thing or a bad thing? Debatable for sure, but if the last 20-30 years as told us anything, it's that the music industry is ever-changing. In a perfect, pure world, the music would be all that matters, but it is rarely that simple anymore.
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The Future Bites is out in a little over a week!!! :coolio :coolio
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It's sure been a long time coming. Truth be told, I can't even remember what editions I ordered. Aside from the SUPER DELUXE EDITION BOX SET :lol
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Apparently I will still get that limited tour edition vinyl. I got refunded the tickets, but not the entire amount. After an email toward customer service I was told another company (the label?) will send that edition to me. But I haven't seen any info on it on the internet regarding this edition.
(when ordering the tickets, you got the option to preorder this special vinyl edition, which could be picked up during the concert).
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The Future Bites is out in a little over a week!!! :coolio :coolio
I had all but forgotten that I already ordered this thing back in early 2020. :D
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While I find this format very odd, SW is interviewed by two guys at the prog report and they all give their top 5 audiophile albums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHABfwrVwc
Without spoiling too much, I find it funny that Steven was totally unfamiliar with Devin Townsend and his music (and I am huge fan of both!), and even funnier that he just sat there and didn't say a word while one of the hosts sat there and gushed over Transatlantic, a band SW criticized in the early 00's for being too much of a homage to classic prog, or something to that effect (slight paraphrasing on my part).
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While I find this format very odd, SW is interviewed by two guys at the prog report and they all give their top 5 audiophile albums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHABfwrVwc
Without spoiling too much, I find it funny that Steven was totally unfamiliar with Devin Townsend and his music (and I am huge fan of both!), and even funnier that he just sat there and didn't say a word while one of the hosts sat there and gushed over Transatlantic, a band SW criticized in the early 00's for being too much of a homage to classic prog, or something to that effect (slight paraphrasing on my part).
Doesn't surprise me...
Steven doesn't seem to be interested in listening to Metal or that style of music much.
Just because a musician makes a certain style or makes music at all, does not mean they are familiar with another artists work. Although, what the musician listens to can affect the output of said musicians music. I look at Polyphia and Chon, and how they are incorporating R&B, and Rap style beats into their guitar playing music, and it's a cool blend. Also, Post Malone doing rap, and listening to Metal, and playing Cliffs of Dover live as well. That's all, what a musician listens to affecting their own musical output.
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Got an email from Amazon that my blu-ray will arrive on Tuesday Feb 2nd.
I'll wait to listen to the album when the blu-ray comes.
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http://www.undertheradarmag.com/interviews/steven_wilson_on_the_future_bites
In recent years it seems fair to say that your interest in electric guitar has waxed and waned—much like the attitude toward guitar in Western culture. Last year, Rolling Stone magazine published an article with the headline “Is the Guitar Solo Finished?” On this new album the guitar has a more textural approach. But there are guitar solos on “Eminent Sleaze” and “Follower.” Tell me about your non-traditional approach to those guitar breaks.
I am a bit bored of the guitar right now. But I think there’s a broader thing here, which is we live in the electronic world now. All the sound we hear on a daily basis around us is electronic. My kids, they don’t hear guitars unless they actually go and specifically listen to a guitar song. Everything around them from the sounds that their iPad makes, to the sound coming from the TV, to the doorbell chimes. What place does the guitar or the bass or the drums have in the world like that? Well, increasingly less and less. I like the idea that music continues to evolve and continues to upset old people like me because it’s gone in a direction that is not as familiar to us.
I think the golden era of rock and roll music, rock music, classic rock music that prevailed for about 50 years—from the 1950s through to the end of the 20th century—is going the same way that jazz music went. Because jazz music was the popular mainstream music of the first half of the 20th century. And classic rock and rock music was the popular mainstream music of the second half of the 20th century.
I believe the music of the first half of the 21st century ultimately is going to come down to the sound of urban music, electronic music, R&B music—or at least music that has a strong electronic element to it.
I’ve increasingly felt myself bored by guitar. I feel like I’ve kind of exhausted the possibilities, at least that I’m capable of exploring, on that instrument. And when a band like Greta Van Fleet is the best that the new wave of rock bands has to offer, you know it’s dead. And I say that with the caveat that I’m sure there is some really great guitar music out there. But my point is this: It’s not in the mainstream.
So, I think Rolling Stone is absolutely right, music moves on, it evolves. And that means that the musical vocabulary, the musical palette also dies and is reborn in different ways. And I think the reality is that the guitar is going to become a bit like a saxophone or the trumpet before it. It’s going to be something that is still passionately pursued by some people. But it will be a niche kind of thing. And there’s always casualties along the way. And I might be one of those casualties, you know, but I have to accept that.
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He's not wrong though? If anything he's late by at least 10 years.
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Great interview with Steven by Anil Prasad from Innerviews.
https://www.innerviews.org/inner/steven-wilson-4?fbclid=IwAR3X_kkmQn0Auf9OhK-9GJWpFGbVUfQ1NRrOflzrmdEz-r1vkQiHrh4YWr4
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http://www.undertheradarmag.com/interviews/steven_wilson_on_the_future_bites
In recent years it seems fair to say that your interest in electric guitar has waxed and waned—much like the attitude toward guitar in Western culture. Last year, Rolling Stone magazine published an article with the headline “Is the Guitar Solo Finished?” On this new album the guitar has a more textural approach. But there are guitar solos on “Eminent Sleaze” and “Follower.” Tell me about your non-traditional approach to those guitar breaks.
I am a bit bored of the guitar right now. But I think there’s a broader thing here, which is we live in the electronic world now. All the sound we hear on a daily basis around us is electronic. My kids, they don’t hear guitars unless they actually go and specifically listen to a guitar song. Everything around them from the sounds that their iPad makes, to the sound coming from the TV, to the doorbell chimes. What place does the guitar or the bass or the drums have in the world like that? Well, increasingly less and less. I like the idea that music continues to evolve and continues to upset old people like me because it’s gone in a direction that is not as familiar to us.
I think the golden era of rock and roll music, rock music, classic rock music that prevailed for about 50 years—from the 1950s through to the end of the 20th century—is going the same way that jazz music went. Because jazz music was the popular mainstream music of the first half of the 20th century. And classic rock and rock music was the popular mainstream music of the second half of the 20th century.
I believe the music of the first half of the 21st century ultimately is going to come down to the sound of urban music, electronic music, R&B music—or at least music that has a strong electronic element to it.
I’ve increasingly felt myself bored by guitar. I feel like I’ve kind of exhausted the possibilities, at least that I’m capable of exploring, on that instrument. And when a band like Greta Van Fleet is the best that the new wave of rock bands has to offer, you know it’s dead. And I say that with the caveat that I’m sure there is some really great guitar music out there. But my point is this: It’s not in the mainstream.
So, I think Rolling Stone is absolutely right, music moves on, it evolves. And that means that the musical vocabulary, the musical palette also dies and is reborn in different ways. And I think the reality is that the guitar is going to become a bit like a saxophone or the trumpet before it. It’s going to be something that is still passionately pursued by some people. But it will be a niche kind of thing. And there’s always casualties along the way. And I might be one of those casualties, you know, but I have to accept that.
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Why the facepalm? It's a pretty valid and strong argument. The 95% of the music we discuss and enjoy in this place is nowhere close to being considered as mainstream. Electronics are king and that's not an opinion, but a fact. It's cool that he recognizes it as such.
Also, he put an awesome guitar-centric album just a few years ago (Hand.Cannot.Erase) so that's pretty much still in his DNA and it ain't going anywhere. Wilson is the poster boy of incendiary public speaking, so no surprises here. He loves making his most intense followers angry and the debate the hell out of this ideas and positions regarding his own music. Remember the whole iPod destroying ordeal during the early 2010s? lol
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Definitely don't think there's anything wrong about what he's saying. I certainly sense the same thing, however the shot at GVF (again from him) is just lame.
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Dude says some really fucking stupid shit sometimes. His comment about GVF was helpful to me because I was actually considering buying his new album even though I pretty much despise the direction his music has taken, but he just went out of his way to insult a band he doesn't like for no reason other than to massage his own ego. Fuck this guy. Words have consequences you fucking elitist tool >:(
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Well, not liking GVT is like his opinion dude :P
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Is it bad that I agree with him about GVF too? :P
It's not even about thinking they're a bad band. It's just a reflection of the state of rock in the mainstream eye at this point that a band that derivative is vastly out-popularizing so many other rock bands that are so much better and more creative (and no, I'm not talking about Steven Wilson necessarily; he can be plenty derivative too which does make him a bit of a hypocrite here).
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If I refused to buy an album because a musician said stupid shit I would own precisely 0 albums.
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I just personally am turned a bit off by his attitude. He's not bad enough to make me not buy an album I'd otherwise buy though. I do get his point of saying GVF, as in a popular rock band today that isn't doing anything new, but it's at least the second time he's brought them up in an interview. It seems they get under his skin for some reason. I personally find their success due to marketing, not because they sound like classic rock bands.
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It's not JUST because he says stupid shit, but that comment about GVF was gratuitously mean and completely uncalled for. It doesn't matter if GVF sucks, I can't honestly say I've heard a single note of their music, but I am a musician and while I will certainly be critical of what I perceive as bad music, I'm not going to go out of my way to bag on another band just to try to make myself look better or smarter like he did here. That's juvenile shit. He comes across as a fucking tool and yeah, I probably wasn't going to buy his album anyway since he hasn't made a piece of music I've liked in about 10 years, but his comment about GVF solidified that decision for me. Fuck this guy.
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Wilson is British and has strong opinions, so it's nearly impossible for him to NOT insult someone when he speaks. :P :lol
I get his point, about how guitar-driven music isn't mainstream anymore, although he forgot about Muse whose music is still guitar-driven, even with the added synths and electronics over the years, and of course Foo Fighters, who are huge and have loud guitars as the driving force. But his point is valid, even if the way he said it wasn't very diplomatic.
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Wilson is British and has strong opinions, so it's nearly impossible for him to NOT insult someone when he speaks. :P :lol
I get his point, about how guitar-driven music isn't mainstream anymore, although he forgot about Muse whose music is still guitar-driven, even with the added synths and electronics over the years, and of course Foo Fighters, who are huge and have loud guitars as the driving force. But his point is valid, even if the way he said it wasn't very diplomatic.
I think GVF makes his point more because they are new, Muse and Foo Fighters started in the 90s which by his definition, was still when guitar driven music was popular. I do agree with the bolded.
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I have a lot to say but I'll try to keep it short.
He made a living off of aping retro prog. Then he decided it was cliche. Btw, he completely ripped off the total structure of Dogs.
Saying the guitar is dead and electronic music is the future means trends are important to him. That troubles me. He spent many years bucking trends. Now he wants to be trendy and relevant.
GVF doesn't deserve sagging. He comes off as pretentious.
I've truly loved a lot of his music but from here forward, I might be done. He can follow his muse and seek to be hip and trendy. Nothing wrong with that. But I'll pass on this album and this attitude.
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Wilson has been pretty open about the times his music was too much of a homage to his influences (see: Voyage 34). I think the Floyd references in Time Flies (Dogs, Sheep, Time) are intentional, given the subject matter of the song.
I do agree that it is a bit eyebrow-raising to hear him talk so openly about having to possibly abandon the guitar because it's not "in" anymore as a mainstream lead instrument. Given his age, I think there is definitely a part of him that wants to be more mainstream than he has been prior to now (don't most musicians want their music to be heard by as many people as possible??), and I think the deaths of Bowie and Prince inspired him to explore a different side of his musical self, which was evident at times on To the Bone and seems to be on most of the songs we've officially heard from The Future Bites so far, which is obviously closer to what is mainstream now than the music he did for much of his career before then. Not everyone wants to wallow in prog obscurity forever. ;)
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I have a lot to say but I'll try to keep it short.
He made a living off of aping retro prog. Then he decided it was cliche. Btw, he completely ripped off the total structure of Dogs.
Saying the guitar is dead and electronic music is the future means trends are important to him. That troubles me. He spent many years bucking trends. Now he wants to be trendy and relevant.
GVF doesn't deserve sagging. He comes off as pretentious.
I've truly loved a lot of his music but from here forward, I might be done. He can follow his muse and seek to be hip and trendy. Nothing wrong with that. But I'll pass on this album and this attitude.
SW has been chasing trends at least since Radiohead and Tool were the bees knees. He’s kind of always been this way (trying to maintain that he is cool and relevant while other artists are dinosaurs or simply rehashing old ideas).
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Yes, he was very open that Time Flies was an homage. Nonetheless, even though I love the song, it borders on thievery.
He can do whatever he wants. He'll gain some young fans and lose some old ones.
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Personally, I didn't interpret that interview as him saying he's transitioning away from the guitar because it isn't trendy any more. Like I said, it hasn't been trendy for over a decade now, and he must realize that as well. If he truly was a trend chaser he would have dropped the guitar years ago. And while his new stuff is electronic, it's still quite retro and doesn't really sound like most popular electronic music today, at least to me. I highly doubt it's something that'll win the kids over.
He kept making guitar-driven music for years despite it not being popular because that's just what interested him, and interests change over time. He says he got bored of the guitar, and I have no reason to doubt that. I'm guessing it's probably just where he's at right now and that interest will probably get sparked again sometime in the future. Desire for popularity could be a slight influencing factor there too, but when is it not?
The trendiest thing about this new album is probably the songs BEING IN ALL CAPS. :lol
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My impression has never been that he chases trends, but that is new music is influenced by whatever he is listening to at the time. He was doing the 5.1 for bands Yes, King Crimson and Jethro Tull, and that was right around when he did Grace, The Raven and HCE, and then he did the ones for XTC and Tears for Fears, and then boom here came To the Bone. And of course it seemed like the early 00's was his big metal phase, which is when PT incorporated a little into their sound starting with In Absentia.
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My impression has never been that he chases trends, but that is new music is influenced by whatever he is listening to at the time. He was doing the 5.1 for bands Yes, King Crimson and Jethro Tull, and that was right around when he did Grace, The Raven and HCE, and then he did the ones for XTC and Tears for Fears, and then boom here came To the Bone. And of course it seemed like the early 00's was his big metal phase, which is when PT incorporated a little into their sound starting with In Absentia.
That’s a fair assessment. I don’t have a problem with him incorporating trends or whatever he’s listening to BTW. But it is a little rich for him to slag other bands for not being original.
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Mostly unrelated: To The Bone is a great album. Super underrated. People only shit on it because Permanating is on it. :lol
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Mostly unrelated: To The Bone is a great album. Super underrated. People only shit on it because Permanating is on it. :lol
Permanating is my favorite song on the album. I think it’s a great song. The album is fine, but like other SW music I just hardly ever feel the need to put it on.
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:corn :corn :corn
This is what I love about Steven Wilson, and musicians that just don't give a shit what they're fans think and say, and will do whatever the fuck they want, because they are the artist.
Steven feels like Guitar based music is heading toward a trend of slowly going away, or more that style of music, just as Jazz did. And I agree with him about where the music is going, Urban, Electronic, R&B. People still use the saxophone, he's just saying how The Saxophone was the guitar back in the age of Jazz, it was the solo instrument. Now that guitar took over that, in that era. In this era, something new is going to replace that Guitar as a solo instrument, and take over it's spotlight.
Then he goes on to respond to the Question asked by the interviewer, and is responding to the example the interviewer gave with the Rolling Stone Magazine, and gave his opinion on that question posed by Rolling Stone.
And I agree with him about Greta Van Fleet. I mean, they are supposedly the best, as they are popular, and they sound like Led Zeppelin, and rehash of that old sound. So in Stevens eyes, it's doing nothing new with it, and the bands that are doing some good interesting new stuff with the guitar is not mainstream. He acknowledges there is still music with guitar that is good, but his point is that those Guitar bands are not in the mainstream.
But, when he says, the new sound will have some electronic element, I think of bands like Polyphia, Chon, Plini, Arch Echo. These bands are putting these R&B, Hip-Hop, beats and putting them with Electronic sounds, and making guitar licks off of that.
But, it seems that he is upset that a band like Greta Van Fleet is popular while these bands like Polyphia whom are doing new things with Guitar are not popular. And to me, that feeling made him utilize other ways of making music, and experimenting with making a new sound, one that is liked by the masses, and that is the current electronic sound and style that his current album has.
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Wilson is British and has strong opinions, so it's nearly impossible for him to NOT insult someone when he speaks. :P :lol
I'm British and I approve of this message :rollin
People losing their shit about him again... love it. As someone who grew up very close to Steven's manor, it's like listening to a friend in a pub. I can see why people would choose to take offence but there is none intended whatsoever.
As for The Future Bites? Best album I've heard this year (I say that with my tongue in my cheek, obviously, at this stage) and there's a strong chance it'll remain that way until in 31 December, too.
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English, when people ask where I was born or about my accent I say I am from England, not Britain, or the UK. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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If you have to degrade other bands to make your point, that's never a good idea. But then SW for me was always a little bit of a pretentious dick, right from the start, so no surprise there. And I think he does it on purpose.
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I might be bursting into this discussion but I had the please of writing a review for The Future Bites and I thought I'd share it with you guys ;)
http://www.loudhailermagazine.com/album-reviews/the-future-bites-by-steven-wilson/
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Here is the thing though, I don’t think Steven's latest music necessarily sounds more novel than his previous works when looking at music in general. Sure, it is recognisably SW, but it has a lot in common with electronic music from the last 30-40 years.
I love To The Bone btw, and I like Permeating.
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I might be bursting into this discussion but I had the please of writing a review for The Future Bites and I thought I'd share it with you guys ;)
http://www.loudhailermagazine.com/album-reviews/the-future-bites-by-steven-wilson/
That is very well-written and knowledgeable review. Good read, thank you.
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Well that escalated quickly...
Kidding aside, it's a pretty standard Steven Wilson interview with pretty standard Steven Wilsonisms. Should have the new album in a week fingers crossed. Can't wait. I haven't heard a single second of the album so far and I'm sure I'll be a fan of it regardless.
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I fundamentally disagree on the point that there is something different in every Porcupine Tree album. With the four metal albums they basically made the same album four times. They're interchangeable, and with The Incident they went to the well once too often. The solo career, however, is quite different. Every album is truly unique and vastly different from the last.
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I'm quite lukewarm to all the singles so far. I didn't even return to 12 Things I Forgot after hearing it for the first time, and that's the first time ever for me. Always when there's a new PT or SW track, I'm playing the shit out of it.
We'll see though. I'm not holding my breath because I've basically heard more than half of the album and it's not very promising. Has nothing to do with the electronic direction though, I like electronic music. It's not radical enough and way too radio friendly for my tastes. I like the Kid A approach a bit more.
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Why is this man still releasing singles for a 40 minute album that comes out this Friday?
Not even gonna listen to this one, I can wait three days. :lol
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I used to think SW & PT were super diverse with every album having a unique feel to it, but a decade after my initial binge period and with all the music I have discovered since then, I think a lot of it blends together. That's not necessarily bad though, some people tend to put a lot of emphasis on an artist changing with every album but I don't think there's anything bad with having a sound and staying true to it either - it depends on the artist. And no, I'm not saying Raven is the same thing as Bass Communion or The Future Bites is the same thing as The Sky Moves Sideways but there's an element there that you recognize and I do think SW has more variety to his repertoire than some other artists, but he also isn't like Ulver or something where every album is a drastic turn.
I'm still pretty hyped for new SW music. He's not one of my favorites anymore but I'm more curious in him doing something that feels new and weird for him with The Future Bites than I would be in him doing a Raven 2.0 or whatever else.
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If you have to degrade other bands to make your point, that's never a good idea. But then SW for me was always a little bit of a pretentious dick, right from the start, so no surprise there. And I think he does it on purpose.
I do too, and I highly enjoy when the artist or bands do these things on purpose. They know their audience follows them like sheep, and will say stuff just to get them riled up, Or even put on a persona. It's why I hilariously laughed when Devin Townsend even told that to the audience when he made them Boop, and they just laughed. :lol
But then this part of that interview explains the concept better than I can...
The Future Bites is a record whose themes explore the intersections of consumerism and identity in the social-media age. Songs such as “King Ghost” ask how much our sense of self is tied to The Id that we present online. The album queries why we’re so keen to brand ourselves through our products. Yet, for all its serious introspection, The Future Bites also displays the wry humor of its promotional website. For instance, the song “Personal Shopper” features Elton John—whose extravagant shopping sprees are the stuff of legend—listing a series of conspicuous consumption items: “teeth whitening...deluxe edition box sets...volcanic ash soap….”
See, that's why he got Elton John to do the shopping list, because he is known for being a "personal shopper".
and this one, which is really important to understand Stevens views of music and the music buisness and how people view music. I may just end up buying that book when it's released...
The main things I’ve done in lockdown, that I probably wouldn’t have done otherwise, are the [Album Years] podcast with Tim [Bowness] and working on my book, which is a really big project. It’s about my ideas about music. There’s a chapter in there about my feelings about my relationship with fans and social media. There’s a chapter on my ideas about how to listen to music—do away with this notion of genre for a start. I talk about my philosophy about making music and how I try to avoid having a set of parameters that you work within. So the book’s been really interesting and I’m really proud of the way it’s coming. That’s taken up a lot of time. I’ve carried on working on music.
I 100% agree with him about listening to music. It's why I love genre blending music, and when bands do genre covers of songs that are not close to that genre. Rush is actually really close to Reggae sound, and they proved it by doing a full intro/verse to Working Man, in the Reggae Style, I fucking loved it and did not expect that at all...
And this one....
The answer to your question is, does it help to undercut the kind of artifice side of it? Possibly a little bit. I’ve realized from experience that this is what a lot of people actually want. If I post something on Instagram or Facebook about a new album I’m about to release—something I’ve worked on for three years of my life, writing the demo, recording, mixing, mastering, promoting, sweating blood, sweat, and tears, you know, to make this album—I’ll get a certain amount of likes and comments. If I post a picture of me doing something silly with my dog, I get twice as many comments and interactions! [Laughs.]
This is partly what the album is about. It’s about the change in the climate of social media and how everyone there really only sees the world reflected back through this prism of social media. On the first sort of real song on the record, “Self,” there’s a line in the song that says, “Self sees a billion stars, but still can only self-regard.” And it’s the idea that we used to, as a species, look out at the cosmos. We used to look at the universe and be curious about the world we live in. And now we just look at this little screen on our phone to see how many likes our Instagram posts have got, how many comments our Facebook posts have got, how many views our YouTube post has got. So there’s a much more kind of insular sense of engaging with the world through the prism of social media.
There’s something a bit tragic about that for me. I think a lot of the interest in music now has understandably waned in the face of almost an overload of music, just the noise of constant noise, of new music being released into the world. And how do you get above that noise? Well, one of the ways to get above that noise is to, I guess, make more out of the cult of personality into showing more of your private life, your personal life. I’m okay with that. I’m proud of my family and proud of my wife, my kids.
I would highly suggest reading that interview...
Steven says a lot of things I agree with him about....
And these all lead into the question where he mentions Greta Van Fleek. You have to read these to understand what he means when he mentions Greta Van Fleet, and how they play into the context of which Wilson is describing.
One last thing...I laughed my ass off at this...
But this is my point. It’s not about the utility of it. It’s about the box ticking. It’s like, “OK, got that. Got that. Oh, yeah, that’s good, the rare 7-inch remix that only came out in Iceland for a week. Yeah, that’s on there, great. The rare bootleg board tape from the Plumpton Festival recorded in the toilets at the back of the [venue]. Yeah, got that. Okay, great. Tick, tick, tick. Oh my God. I can’t believe they’ve missed out the rare Guatemalan sex dance mix. Shit, it’s a disaster!”
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Personally, I didn't interpret that interview as him saying he's transitioning away from the guitar because it isn't trendy any more. Like I said, it hasn't been trendy for over a decade now, and he must realize that as well. If he truly was a trend chaser he would have dropped the guitar years ago. And while his new stuff is electronic, it's still quite retro and doesn't really sound like most popular electronic music today, at least to me. I highly doubt it's something that'll win the kids over.
He kept making guitar-driven music for years despite it not being popular because that's just what interested him, and interests change over time. He says he got bored of the guitar, and I have no reason to doubt that. I'm guessing it's probably just where he's at right now and that interest will probably get sparked again sometime in the future. Desire for popularity could be a slight influencing factor there too, but when is it not?
The trendiest thing about this new album is probably the songs BEING IN ALL CAPS. :lol
Just slap the label of Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, or even Porcupine Tree. It'll sell then, and make his point even more greater. :lol
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Why is this man still releasing singles for a 40 minute album that comes out this Friday?
Not even gonna listen to this one, I can wait three days. :lol
Same, I’ve heard enough of the album already, I want some surprises left.
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Part of me thinks the way he's been releasing singles and pretty much the whole album before it releases is just a reference to how the music business in general seems to be going. I feel like with popular music there seems to be more buzz around singles than albums and we've gone from a 'album is an art form' to 'making playlists with individual songs' mentality.
Considering pretty much everything he's done to market this album has been like this, it wouldn't surprise me if the over-feeding us on singles is done by purpose. It's not like he does it normally after all.
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Let's hope he didn't make the album bad on purpose as a commentary too. :lol
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Wasn't the album supposed to be released awhile ago and it got pushed back due to the pandemic? If that's the case, I can see why they release songs like this so that the casual fans don't forget about the album.
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I listened to all five songs from the proper album that have been officially released and all sounded good. I suspect the rest of the album will be even better, as SW does not strike me as the kind of guy who will put all of the best stuff out as pre-release singles. Ya know those comedies that end up not being funny and you think, "all of the funny stuff was in the trailer." I don't see that happening here.
In SW WE Trust!! :lol :lol :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Let's hope he didn't make the album bad on purpose as a commentary too. :lol
The singles amount to around 65% of the album, so anyone now has a clear indication for what is the quality of the majority of the album.
I am not feeling it, unfortunately. But I appreciate SW going into the artistic direction that he wants to.
I do listen to To The Bone and Love You To Bits quite a lot , so I do not have an aversion for SW pop and/or disco.
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Part of me thinks the way he's been releasing singles and pretty much the whole album before it releases is just a reference to how the music business in general seems to be going. I feel like with popular music there seems to be more buzz around singles than albums and we've gone from a 'album is an art form' to 'making playlists with individual songs' mentality.
Considering pretty much everything he's done to market this album has been like this, it wouldn't surprise me if the over-feeding us on singles is done by purpose. It's not like he does it normally after all.
He even released his B-Side:EP digitally, and it's up on Youtube. :lol
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I think if Steven wanted to make a commentary on the dominance of the single over the album in modern times, he should have done a "Song Machine" type thing like the new Gorillaz album. It ended up working out really well for them.
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Does the bluray include a Making of Documentary? I have always enjoyed those.
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Does the bluray include a Making of Documentary? I have always enjoyed those.
Reading the description, it doesn't look like there is one. I too have loved all the making of docs so far. The last one was probably my favorite. I loved the fly on the wall footage of recording in that tiny studio he went to and how they settled on the guitar tones, it was a very fun watch.
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New single is up
https://youtu.be/G_yW8ornhK4
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New single is up
https://youtu.be/G_yW8ornhK4
That atmosphere reminds me of ZETA. I love that ethereal, floating like, atmosphere.
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Wow, yeah, I began thinking he was going somewhere I have no interest in going musically, but these songs he's releasing are confirmation that there is nothing here for me. It's not surprising since I only really like about 25% of the material he's ever put out, and that includes Porcupine Tree who have exactly 2 albums that interest me. I think there are a total of 4 albums of his that I like. In Absentia and Deadwing are the only PT albums I have any interest in and The Raven and Hand.Cannot.Erase are the only two solo albums I have any interest in so I was expecting I wouldn't like his new stuff and my expectations were on the money. Just because I wanted to hear what they sound like I downloaded a Gretta Van Fleet album last night. It didn't do much for me either. :lol
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New single is up
https://youtu.be/G_yW8ornhK4
Heard that yesterday. Didn't do much for me at first, but I liked it a lot on the second listen. Love the atmosphere and vibe.
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New review: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/82746/Steven-Wilson-The-Future-Bites/
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Just looking at all the videos and audio that has been released so far, I didn't realize how much was already officially out. 5 tracks from the 9 track album of which the 1st is just an intro, so really only 3 tracks are not out.
Then SW has a B-Side collection of 4 tracks released as a digital EP and on top of that, there are the Future Bites sessions with the Taylor Swift cover and other SW/PT tracks. Missed out on so many of these. Will have to catch up on them all, was debating on the deluxe edition but seems way too steep for 2 extra CDs, don't care about the rest in the package.
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I might be bursting into this discussion but I had the please of writing a review for The Future Bites and I thought I'd share it with you guys ;)
http://www.loudhailermagazine.com/album-reviews/the-future-bites-by-steven-wilson/
That is very well-written and knowledgeable review. Good read, thank you.
Thank you very much :tup
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I might be bursting into this discussion but I had the please of writing a review for The Future Bites and I thought I'd share it with you guys ;)
http://www.loudhailermagazine.com/album-reviews/the-future-bites-by-steven-wilson/ (http://www.loudhailermagazine.com/album-reviews/the-future-bites-by-steven-wilson/)
That is very well-written and knowledgeable review. Good read, thank you.
Thank you very much :tup
That was indeed an excellent review and am really looking forward to the album even without having heard a second of it.
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Count of Unease was probably the best track on the new album.
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I'm on my first listen now, and so far I really enjoy it. My instant favourites are 12 Things I Forgot and Man Of The People.
I haven't listened to a second of any of the singles before, so I'm going in blind.
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I'm on my first listen now, and so far I really enjoy it. My instant favourites are 12 Things I Forgot and Man Of The People.
I haven't listened to a second of any of the singles before, so I'm going in blind.
I know I'd listened to all the singles but it seems like ages ago! I remember being underwhelmed by Personal Shopper but that's about it.
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I can't say I'm extremely hyped over for the songs that weren't already released as singles, but I do like how they put the singles into context, & for the most part it flows quite nicely. I say "for the most part" because Follower feels really weird as track 8/9 when it seems more suited to be around the middle, but oh well.
The only other gripe I have with the album is that it feels too short. I don't mind short albums but I feel like this one has such an elaborate concept that the brevity doesn't really fit. I'll be watching out for the bonus tracks to surface online, so I hope they'll be fleshed out enough to give the album a bit more weight.
Overall though, this was much better than I was expecting. The album's flow wasn't the confused mishmash of styles that I feared it'd be after hearing the singles, & I don't think there's a single song I dislike here. :tup
Edit: Oh, & my favourites are King Ghost & 12 Things I Forgot.
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I'm halfway through. It wasn't sure about King ghost, but I'm enjoying everything else up to and including Eminent sleaze.
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Amazon shipped the bluray already and should be getting tomorrow. Listening on Youtube Music. wow this is really different. Going to have to wrap my head around this one. Definitely going to need a few listens and really like what I'm hearing.
Still can't believe how many singles were released prior to album date.
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I can't say I'm extremely hyped over for the songs that weren't already released as singles, but I do like how they put the singles into context, & for the most part it flows quite nicely. I say "for the most part" because Follower feels really weird as track 8/9 when it seems more suited to be around the middle, but oh well.
The only other gripe I have with the album is that it feels too short. I don't mind short albums but I feel like this one has such an elaborate concept that the brevity doesn't really fit. I'll be watching out for the bonus tracks to surface online, so I hope they'll be fleshed out enough to give the album a bit more weight.
Overall though, this was much better than I was expecting. The album's flow wasn't the confused mishmash of styles that I feared it'd be after hearing the singles, & I don't think there's a single song I dislike here. :tup
Edit: Oh, & my favourites are King Ghost & 12 Things I Forgot.
Interesting, the brevity is part of the concept if I understood Steven correctly, and I think it's actually one of the album's best features that it's only 1LP long!
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Interesting, the brevity is part of the concept if I understood Steven correctly, and I think it's actually one of the album's best features that it's only 1LP long!
Yes, a commentary on short attention spans and our urge to move on to the next piece of media quickly. That said, the inclusion of Count of Unease pushed the album above the magic 40-minute mark, putting this at Misplaced Childhood and Dark Side of the Moon level, length-wise.
Intriguing to note that Anyone But Me, the track that Count of Unease replaced from the originally-announced tracklist, does not appear anywhere on any of the deluxe editions, as far as I can see.
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Upon first listen - it's alright. Some cool sounds and textures. Not sure the songs are something I really dig yet.
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First listen in and I like it. There is an interesting mix of new stuff and just classic Steven. I'm going on a car trip next week and I'll sure blast this several times while traversing shifting landscapes. It should be a nice ride.
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Just for a perspective, I must say that I'm a SW fan of his work from Porcupine Tree (from Lightbulb to Incident) and his solo career (from Drowning to To the Bone)..
Now about TFB... although SW is referring to this album to be situaded more in the "now", my perception is that it's really grounded in the 80's art pop sound, with a lot of 80's and 90's keyboard sounds. He can run, but he's essentaially a nostalgic artist.
It's a good album, specially from King Ghost to Follower (I love this one, it has a cool guitar solo and, in some places, a bit reminescent of Yes's Drama, like said in a previous review here). Count of Ease is in that more melancolic SW style, which it's not my favorite side of his, but I think a lot of people will really appreciate it.
My main "problem" with the album is that it has 100% of songs that I normally apreciate if they are one or two in a "regular" prog album by SW. I get that SW wanted to do an entire album in this style partially because "why he should repeat himself if he never did this kind of album before?". Well, my simple aswer is: because he makes better prog albums IMO.
And Eyewitness and Floral Green should be in the album, I like them more than Unself/Self.
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Just for a perspective, I must say that I'm a SW fan of his work from Porcupine Tree (from Lightbulb to Incident) and his solo career (from Drowning to To the Bone)..
Now about TFB... although SW is referring to this album to be situaded more in the "now", my perception is that it's really grounded in the 80's art pop sound, with a lot of 80's and 90's keyboard sounds. He can run, but he's essentaially a nostalgic artist.
It's a good album, specially from King Ghost to Follower (I love this one, it has a cool guitar solo and, in some places, a bit reminescent of Yes's Drama, like said in a previous review here). Count of Ease is in that more melancolic SW style, which it's not my favorite side of his, but I think a lot of people will really appreciate it.
My main "problem" with the album is that it has 100% of songs that I normally apreciate if they are one or two in a "regular" prog album by SW. I get that SW wanted to do an entire album in this style partially because "why he should repeat himself if he never did this kind of album before?". Well, my simple aswer is: because he makes better prog albums IMO.
And Eyewitness and Floral Green should be in the album, I like them more than Unself/Self.
I'm glad I'm not the only hearing some Tempus Fugit in Follower!
I think In Floral Green is gorgeous, but it' "only" a cover and originally by John Mitchell's Lonely Robot. In my opinion, it would have fit perfectly on To The Bone, but it would be misplaced on The Future Bites.
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I didn't know that about Floral Green. I didn't hear the original to compare, but the SW's version is really nice! Yes, it has a more traditional arrangement, I see what you mean.
By the way, you did a great review of the album, congratulations!
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On first impression I like it. There are some great tunes buried in there. Obviously not very guitar heavy and I'm perfectly fine by that. It does remind me of 70s/80s pop, intentionally or not I think of ABBA and Boney M to an extent.
12 Things I forgot might be the most straightforward pop/rock track on it. Good album, will have to check out the B-sides next.
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12 Things I forgot might be the most straightforward pop/rock track on it.
I guess that's why I like it so much :P
I thought the entire album would sound like Eminent Sleaze (have that very modern production and instrumentation, lots of keyboards etc), but there are plenty of guitars here which I really like.
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Oh the guitars there for sure, but they are more layered in that Rush 80s kind of way. Not front and center as previous albums. I really like the Floydian-Voyage 34 electronic guitar texture used on Eminent Sleaze. Can't wait to hear that on Blu-ray, the atmosphere in surround will be a treat.
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I could easily change my mind in the hours and days to come but I’m not in love with it so far. It’s not terrible or anything but nothing really grabbing me yet either. I enjoy Eyewitness more than anything on here. Not listened to the bonus disc yet and there’s also a hidden disc in the back of the book in the Deluxe set which says on it that it’s blank but don’t know if that is true.
I suspect that this SW album will not end up being my type of thing as it’s not what I throw on a SW album for but we’ll see.
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Hidden disc, now I'm intrigued!
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Hidden disc, now I'm intrigued!
Nah, I bet it's just a blank tape.
sorry
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I didn't know that about Floral Green. I didn't hear the original to compare, but the SW's version is really nice! Yes, it has a more traditional arrangement, I see what you mean.
By the way, you did a great review of the album, congratulations!
Thank you :)
I like Wilson's version of In Floral Green better than the original, I think the mix is better and I'm not such a big fan of Mitchell's voice (although it works fine in Frost*, in combination with other singers).
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I could easily change my mind in the hours and days to come but I’m not in love with it so far. It’s not terrible or anything but nothing really grabbing me yet either.
Pretty much this. The quality's just not consistent enough IMO, King Ghost and 12 Things I Forgot are my favorites at the moment and even those aren't super standout. Personal Shopper also just hogs so much of the album and it's not very good. Also count me in as one of the people wondering why the hell Eyewitness isn't on the album proper.
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Hidden disc, now I'm intrigued!
Nah, I bet it's just a blank tape.
sorry
LOL!
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Interesting, the brevity is part of the concept if I understood Steven correctly, and I think it's actually one of the album's best features that it's only 1LP long!
Yes, a commentary on short attention spans and our urge to move on to the next piece of media quickly. That said, the inclusion of Count of Unease pushed the album above the magic 40-minute mark, putting this at Misplaced Childhood and Dark Side of the Moon level, length-wise.
Intriguing to note that Anyone But Me, the track that Count of Unease replaced from the originally-announced tracklist, does not appear anywhere on any of the deluxe editions, as far as I can see.
It's on the cassette tape included in the LIMITED EDITION DELUXE BOX SET.
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@faizoff
It’s literally a cd in a little paper pocket which says something like “this is a deliberately blank cd” on the disk. That may be exactly what it is, I haven’t had a chance to try it yet as am working but would be a little bit weird if there is actually nothing on it.
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Hidden disc, now I'm intrigued!
From a quick whizz-through, there appears to be a bit of sound somewhere around the 40-minute mark of 58 minutes in total.
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@faizoff
It’s literally a cd in a little paper pocket which says something like “this is a deliberately blank cd” on the disk. That may be exactly what it is, I haven’t had a chance to try it yet as am working but would be a little bit weird if there is actually nothing on it.
That would fit perfectly with the concept if it was actually a blank cd. Because then, you bought a blank cd :lol
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@faizoff
It’s literally a cd in a little paper pocket which says something like “this is a deliberately blank cd” on the disk. That may be exactly what it is, I haven’t had a chance to try it yet as am working but would be a little bit weird if there is actually nothing on it.
That would fit perfectly with the concept if it was actually a blank cd. Because then, you bought a blank cd :lol
Or maybe he bought an extended mix of SW's cover version of John Cage's 4'33?
Seriously though, what a complete waste of resources if that's true :lol
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@faizoff
It’s literally a cd in a little paper pocket which says something like “this is a deliberately blank cd” on the disk. That may be exactly what it is, I haven’t had a chance to try it yet as am working but would be a little bit weird if there is actually nothing on it.
That would fit perfectly with the concept if it was actually a blank cd. Because then, you bought a blank cd :lol
Or maybe he bought an extended mix of SW's cover version of John Cage's 4'33?
Seriously though, what a complete waste of resourcesif that's true :lol
Also, part of the concept. :lol
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Maybe a bit to 80s sounding for me and in the end nothing that triggers that "wow". It's good background music for me with some song that will be nice in a playlist.
Also get the feeling that this can be a misfit album. It's not what Wilson does best imo. Surely a lot of fans won't be convinced by the new style, and as far as mainstream goes this feels done already and isn't competing with the best of what's out there, something he did do in the prog sphere. Could be 100% wrong however 😁
Also will add that his singing never been a favorite for me but neither too much of a problem. Sometimes even impressive, mostly live actually. But here it's many times a problem for me. I am happy he mixes up the production with other singers however even if Elton John should have been singing, not talking.
But fun that he gets to do what he love!
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Ok I tried to listen to the new album, but I can't stand this type of music. I'm very disappointed, but at the same time I know that Steven is not into guitars and prog-rock music anymore.
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Interesting, the brevity is part of the concept if I understood Steven correctly, and I think it's actually one of the album's best features that it's only 1LP long!
Yes, a commentary on short attention spans and our urge to move on to the next piece of media quickly. That said, the inclusion of Count of Unease pushed the album above the magic 40-minute mark, putting this at Misplaced Childhood and Dark Side of the Moon level, length-wise.
Intriguing to note that Anyone But Me, the track that Count of Unease replaced from the originally-announced tracklist, does not appear anywhere on any of the deluxe editions, as far as I can see.
What I mean is that with the level of commitment to the concept outside of the album itself, it seems like it would have more to say than it actually does.
The album isn't quite as dense as some of my favourite 1LP albums, & the songs (namely PS & COE) have quite a bit of room to breathe, so the album leaves me wanting more. Maybe that was intentional, but I don't really like it. :-\
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The three new songs (that weren't released as singles prior to today) all sound pretty good, but I will need to give them better listens this weekend when I can crank them up on a good stereo.
As much as Wilson goes through different phases, this is a major departure. Sure, To the Bone had the ABBA-influenced Permanating and the futuristic electronic bits in Song of I and Detonation, but this feels similar to Radiohead's move from OK Computer to Kid A, except that To the Bone, for as really good as it was, was no OK Computer, and I don't see The Future Bites being a Kid A. I like it, but I'll be shocked if it becomes an album I love.
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I listened to the album several times today. I like it, but I don't love it. Musically it's fine, I personally don't mind the pop/electronic side of SW's music, and I'm actually kinda glad this wasn't just another prog album. He's already done that style to death and I'm glad to see him branching out a bit more.
I'm still digesting the album, but my main complaint as of now is just how short it is, which I know was a conscious decision, but I feel like since we've waited 3+ years now for a new album, I think there should be a bit more to it. I'm gonna put together my own extended version of the album with the B-Sides, bonus tracks and whatnot once my box set arrives.
If anyone's curious, the guy that bought the £10,000 Ultra Deluxe Limited Edition Box Set did an unboxing video, and he will be releasing the song from the exclusive 7" included in the box set soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1vm4mUyuGo&t=861s
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If anyone's curious, the guy that bought the £10,000 Ultra Deluxe Limited Edition Box Set did an unboxing video, and he will be releasing the song from the exclusive 7" included in the box set soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1vm4mUyuGo&t=861s
That is pretty sweet. I guess I will have to keep my eyes open for the unofficial release of The Tastemaker.
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I decided to give The Future Bites a listen. I didn't really have any expectations in terms of quality, but overall I quite like it so far. After one listen, the highlights on here to me are SELF, PERSONAL SHOPPER, and COUNT OF UNEASE. The last one in particular was really nice. It feels like it combines the "blueprints" of Collapse the Light into Earth and Glass Arm Shattering, and makes it sound just like it belongs on this album. I'll definitely be coming back to this album, I think all of the songs on here could grow on me a lot.
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It doesn't hurt it much, but there is a clear simiarity between 12 Things I Forgot and Lazarus.
It's in the same key at points.
Also my wife's observation when hearing this album:
"Personal Shopper needs to be remixed and played in the Clubs (when Clubbing happens again).
Yes, things were better in the 80's
I don't want to like your music"
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Pleasant surprise that the Blu-ray contains the instrumentals too. I was curious about that since To The Bone Blu-ray had them.
I sorta wished I had a Dolby Atmos system to hear the Atmos mix. I checked out the stereo mix and it so much more sublime than the Youtube Music version.
Still digesting this album, lots of stuff to like.
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Surprised to say the least. Far more enjoyable than I anticipated. Somehow he always manages to get emotion into his music. That is his secret sauce.
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I think it's an incredible album. So many ear worms. And the production and mastering are just par excellence.
And I don't think it's actually as big a stylistic leap from To the Bone as some would have you believe.
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Yeah, I'm not seeing this as an enormous departure either. We kind of saw it coming. Perfect life lead to Permanating and Song of I, and now we have an entire album of mostly electronic, art pop stuff. I admire the ambition of the album, but I'm still getting into it.
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Yeah, I'm not seeing this as an enormous departure either. We kind of saw it coming. Perfect life lead to Permanating and Song of I, and now we have an entire album of mostly electronic, art pop stuff. I admire the ambition of the album, but I'm still getting into it.
Not to mention The 78 from Insurgentes. :P
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While it is a good listen, all I can say is there is no distinctive element that would make me identify this album as a Steven Wilson album. It's just a generic pop / electronic album.
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While it is a good listen, all I can say is there is no distinctive element that would make me identify this album as a Steven Wilson album. It's just a generic pop / electronic album.
I am reading that a lot, that this is a pop album, and I don't hear it. How exactly is this a pop album?
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Another new song, ripped from the vinyl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxHXQfV7Mt4
I like that one quite a bit.
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That's a demo from years ago, isn't it?
I actually have that Tour Edition. Curious little bait and switch was pulled. Supposed to be clear vinyl for the album with the 7" being red, I think it was. And the album was supposed to have alternative artwork, too. What they've delivered to everybody is standard black vinyl, no artwork differences, with a white 7". Naughty.
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That's a demo from years ago, isn't it?
I actually have that Tour Edition. Curious little bait and switch was pulled. Supposed to be clear vinyl for the album with the 7" being red, I think it was. And the album was supposed to have alternative artwork, too. What they've delivered to everybody is standard black vinyl, no artwork differences, with a white 7". Naughty.
I ordered the German touring version and was as disappointed as you. I wrote an extremely furious email to Universal and I would recommend for you to do the same. This is false advertising and I feel tricked out of my money.
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I dropped them a line earlier asking for a refund. It's not a good look for them.