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Title: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Anvil
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 28, 2014, 03:45:23 PM
With the Sith's permission.... our road to Wrestlemania 29 has finally ended! It can be re-lived here: http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=20211.0


So new Pro Wrestling Fed.... how about some generic Q&As?

1. When did you first get into wrestling?

2. Favorite promotions?

3. Favorite wrestlers?

4. Favorite shows?

5. Favorite matches?



As we all know, We're on the Road to Wrestlemania XXX. How do you feel about what WWE has done thus far in regards to shaping the card? Are you pumped for Orton Vs. Bootista? Do you cringe at the idea of Trips getting Daniel Bryan? How do you feel about Brock and Taker? Cena and Wyatt? Etc?

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 28, 2014, 03:51:46 PM
1. When did you first get into wrestling? The first show that I watched was Wrestlemania VI. Got to see The Ultimate Challenge. Good time to get on board.

2. Favorite promotions? I'll always love the WWE, but I also enjoy TNA and ROH... I haven't gotten into PWG or any of the Japanese promotions, which is a shame.

3. Favorite wrestlers? All Time: Edge, Chris Jericho, Kane, CM Punk, Chris Benoit.
                              Current: Cesaro, Daniel Bryan, Damien Sandow, Bray Wyatt, Dean Ambrose.

4. Favorite shows? I was fortunate enough to attend Wrestlemania 21, so that was a surreal experience. I also loved the 2001 Royal Rumble, Survivor Series '98, and WM19, 20 & 24.

5. Favorite matches? I'll have to think long and hard on this one... but for now, let's go with Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit in a Ladder Match for the I.C. Title at the 2001 Royal Rumble. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: ozzy554 on February 28, 2014, 03:59:56 PM
I have not watched Wrestling regularly since Vince Mcmahons limo blew up, But I see WWE has watered itself down further to a TVPG rating, and TNA is still a whole lot of wasted potential (great wrestlers, Awful Writing)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: GentlemanofDread on February 28, 2014, 04:00:42 PM
1. When did you first get into wrestling? 2000, left about 2005, got back in 2011.

2. Favorite promotions? WWE, ICW and PWG.

3. Favorite wrestlers? Sami Zayn (El Generico), Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, Antonio Cesaro, Seth Rollins, Kevin Steen, Naito and Bray Wyatt.

4. Favorite shows? MITB 2011, Wrestlemania 17, PWG All Star Weekend X & NJPW The New Begininning Night 2.

5. Favorite matches? CM Punk vs John Cena, Stone Cold vs Rock (WM17), Daniel Bryan vs Bray Wyatt, Cesaro vs Zayn

My opinion of Bootista vs Orton can be summed as this: Nobody who debuted after 2003 but The Miz has headlined Wrestlemania. Think about that.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 28, 2014, 04:02:24 PM
So new Pro Wrestling Fed.... how about some generic Q&As?

1. When did you first get into wrestling?

1992. I was 5 years old and My mom's boyfriend was huge into it and got me into it. My earliest memory of wrestling was seeing the undertaking in the deadman gimmick. Absolutely incredible and I was hooked.

2. Favorite promotions?

WCW and WWF

3. Favorite wrestlers?

Top shelf: Undertaker, Sting, Macho, Flair, Shawn Michaels, Bret. Jake the snake, Austin

Also really like: Rick the model Martel, Rick Rude, Scott hall, Nash, Old Kane

Contemporary: Shield, D Bry, Punk, Santino.

4. Favorite shows?

Too many to name

5. Favorite matches?

Brett vs. SM Iron man match
Ric flair Iron man winning the 92 rumble




Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 28, 2014, 05:08:55 PM
I'd also like to add the the WWE Network is awesome. Their archive of past PPVs is amazing.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Jaffa on February 28, 2014, 05:39:03 PM
I'll answer some of the questions later, but for now, I'm just posting to subscribe to the new thread.   :tup
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 28, 2014, 06:06:04 PM
Crowd giving Batista the business to kick off Smackdown.

Okay... he's officially heel...... so do they turn Orton face, add someone into the match, change the match.... or leave it as is...


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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: GentlemanofDread on February 28, 2014, 06:59:51 PM
Batista: Hated so much NXT crowds hate him.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Zook on February 28, 2014, 08:07:00 PM
He was booed out of the building when he left. Why would they think the WWE Universe would welcome him back?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 28, 2014, 08:25:45 PM
He was booed out of the building when he left. Why would they think the WWE Universe would welcome him back?

They would have welcomed him back under different circumstances. If he came in and got tangled in a feud with a mid or top heel, they'd be all for it. But to come back and win the Rumble on the first night back when WWE had better choices is what has garnered the Universe's ire.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Jaffa on February 28, 2014, 09:14:24 PM
I've decided I'm not going to answer those questions after all.  I started making a list of my favorite wrestlers, and by the time I stopped to check how many I had, I was at almost 30.   :lol  Same thing happened when I started trying to pick favorite matches.  A couple sprang to mind immediately, and then I kept thinking of more and more I needed to mention. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 01, 2014, 04:58:48 AM
1. When did you first get into wrestling? - When I was a young boy, with Mid-Atlantic Wrestling/Crockett Promotions/NWA

2. Favorite promotions? - see above

3. Favorite wrestlers? - Ric Flair is the greatest of all time.  I have others that I like, but none compare to Flair.  Hulk Hogan is the antichrist.

4. Favorite shows? - Again showing my age, but some of the old Starrcades and Great American Bashes from the 80s and early 90s.

5. Favorite matches? - Flair vs. Steamboat (any).  Also, one of my favorite matches remains the Austin/Hart match when Austin passed out at the end.  There is also a special place in my heart for the Mankind/Undertaker Hell in a Cell match.  And believe it or not, my first "holy shit" wrestling moment was in July 1985.  The regular weekly Mid-Atlantic Wrestling show featured a match between the reigning tag champs Ivan Koloff and Krusher Kruschev against brand-new-to-the-territory team the Rock N Roll Express.  It was a fantastic match, and pretty much took the whole hour of the show, and the Express won, their first NWA tag title.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: KevShmev on March 01, 2014, 08:21:39 AM

1. When did you first get into wrestling?



Early 80s, when my dad, my brothers and I would watch Wrestling at the Chase every Sunday morning after church.


2. Favorite promotions?


WWF from the mid 80s to early 90s.

WCW from the mid 90s to late 90s.

Currently, WWE, but mainly because there is no other good alternative.




So new Pro Wrestling Fed.... how about some generic Q&As?


3. Favorite wrestlers?

 

From the past: Hulk Hogan, Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig, Jake the Snake Roberts, Macho Man Randy Savage, and Bret Hart.

Currently: Daniel Bryan and CM Punk.


4. Favorite shows?
 

Saturday Night's Main Event was awesome back in the 80s/early 90s.  Royal Rumble has always been the best PPV.  The NWA's War Games concept back in the day was killer.


5. Favorite matches?


Flair/Steamboat at Chi-Town Rumble in '89
Savage/Steamboat at WM3
Bret/Hennig at SummerSlam '91
Flair/Funk at Great American Bash '89
Hogan/Andre at WM3
Undertaker/Michaels at WM25
CM Punk/Cena at Money in the Bank '11


As we all know, We're on the Road to Wrestlemania XXX. How do you feel about what WWE has done thus far in regards to shaping the card? 

Awful job.


 Are you pumped for Orton Vs. Bootista? 

No.


  Do you cringe at the idea of Trips getting Daniel Bryan?

No, it's the other way around: I cringe at the idea of Bryan getting stuck in a match with HHH.


  How do you feel about Brock and Taker? 

Not interested.  Undertaker it too old and beaten up to make this match as physical as it should be, and Lesnar will likely have to tone down his style a bit. 


  Cena and Wyatt? 

Cena is boring at this point, and while Wyatt's gimmick is okay, him getting Cena already at a Wrestlemania seems premature.


  Etc?

Their burying of Dolph Ziggler since last spring is a damn shame.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Cool Chris on March 01, 2014, 11:45:19 AM
And believe it or not, my first "holy shit" wrestling moment was in July 1985.  The regular weekly Mid-Atlantic Wrestling show featured a match between the reigning tag champs Ivan Koloff and Krusher Kruschev against brand-new-to-the-territory team the Rock N Roll Express.  It was a fantastic match, and pretty much took the whole hour of the show, and the Express won, their first NWA tag title.  Unbelievable.

I found that match on youtube recently. Didn't watch the whole thing, but reminded me the Rock n Roll Express were my favorites, they might still be #1 if I had to think all-time.

I also loved Ric Flair, the Four Horsemen, Dusty Rhodes, and the old NWA. I loved the Road Warriors too, though hated how most of their matches never lasted more than 60 seconds.

Also, Bobby Heenan. Nothing to say, because he probably said it all already.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Dimitrius on March 01, 2014, 12:12:39 PM
1. When did you first get into wrestling?
Had to be mid to late 1990's with PR's World Wrestling Council.

2. Favorite promotions?
WWF/E & WCW

3. Favorite wrestlers?
Stone Cold Steve Austin, CM Punk, The Rock, Daniel Bryan, Sting, Seth Rollins, Eddie Guerrero, Glamour Boy Shane, Pre-WWE Rey Mysterio, Ultimo Dragon

4. Favorite shows?
Not sure I have an all-time favorite show, but Money in the Bank 2011 came to mind when I read this.

5. Favorite matches?
Any of the Austin/Rock matches on WM, Punk/Cena MitB '11, the first Taker/HBK, the "ladder war" match between El Generico/Kevin Stein and a bunch of others I won't name because the list would be too long.


How do you feel about what WWE has done thus far in regards to shaping the card?
Bad

Are you pumped for Orton Vs. Bootista?
Is anybody pumped for this?

Do you cringe at the idea of Trips getting Daniel Bryan?
Yep! Shovel time!

How do you feel about Brock and Taker?
Has potential to be good, Brock since coming back has been selling like there's no tomorrow! :lol
Just look at how he jumped around when Big Show pushed him.

Cena and Wyatt? Etc?
I think this match is in jeopardy with that bum knee Cena got on Raw (EDIT: Hah, Cena wrestled last night, I guess that was a work). Anyway, Wyatt needs to impress me more in the ring. Luke Harper is really good though.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: GentlemanofDread on March 01, 2014, 02:56:49 PM
http://www.wwe.com/videos/byron-saxton-interviews-dolph-ziggler-wwe-app-exclusive-feb-28-2014-26186141 Thing this is all you need to know about why Ziggler should be main event.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Zook on March 02, 2014, 12:15:52 AM
What if WWE was behind all the chanting? All those chants meant to talk shit to the WWE were actually started by WWE plants...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 02, 2014, 09:06:46 AM
http://www.wwe.com/videos/byron-saxton-interviews-dolph-ziggler-wwe-app-exclusive-feb-28-2014-26186141 Thing this is all you need to know about why Ziggler should be main event.

That was an incredible promo.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Dimitrius on March 02, 2014, 09:52:59 AM
Video doesn't load for me. :/
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 02, 2014, 10:59:25 AM
There's a lot of speculation about tomorrow night's Raw in Chicago. WWE seems to be pulling out all the stops to have an entertaining show, but regardless of what they do... if Punk isn't there, the crowd is going to let them hear it all night. At this point, who knows for sure if Punk being gone is a work, is legit, or was legit and has since been resolved. Either way, tomorrow night's Raw has the potential to be great.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - v. Bootista
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 02, 2014, 11:16:16 AM
Take with a grain of salt:

"CM Punk is expected to return at tomorrow night's Raw in Chicago, Illinois, according to Dave Meltzer on today's edition of Wrestling Observer Radio.

While Meltzer won’t say he’s 100% sure Punk will be at the show, his source, who he says is "one of the biggest stars in the industry," said that it’s 100% certain.

Punk has been absent from WWE programming since the Raw following the Royal Rumble on Jan. 27."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1978470-report-cm-punk-to-appear-on-hometown-edition-of-raw


Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: jingle.boy on March 02, 2014, 11:47:40 AM
I'm up there with Hef on my memories - though he was right in the thick of it for mid-atlantic.  I'll get to the questions later, but one of my earliest wrestling memories is Piper cracking Cap'n Lou with that gold record Lauper presented him with at MSG.  And thus Wrestlemania was born.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: KevShmev on March 02, 2014, 03:35:15 PM
Punk will be there tomorrow night?  I'll believe when I see it.  It it does happen, what will his involvement in Wrestlemania be?  When they were starting to go with the Punk/HHH route a few months back, I think they missed the boat by not injecting AJ Lee and Stephanie into it.  They could have made AJ being Punk's gf as part of the storyline, and then AJ/Stephanie could have been an entertaining WM matchup.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Zook on March 02, 2014, 04:11:39 PM
When is the last time Stephanie wrestled anyone?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Jaffa on March 02, 2014, 04:18:57 PM
I hope Punk shows up, just for the crowd reaction.  The building will explode. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 02, 2014, 07:30:04 PM
I would love to see Punk show up on Raw, but I'm definitely not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: DebraKadabra on March 03, 2014, 12:17:18 AM
So new Pro Wrestling Fed.... how about some generic Q&As?

1. When did you first get into wrestling?

2. Favorite promotions?

3. Favorite wrestlers?

4. Favorite shows?

5. Favorite matches?



As we all know, We're on the Road to Wrestlemania XXX. How do you feel about what WWE has done thus far in regards to shaping the card? Are you pumped for Orton Vs. Bootista? Do you cringe at the idea of Trips getting Daniel Bryan? How do you feel about Brock and Taker? Cena and Wyatt? Etc?

1.  I remember hearing about the VonErichs growing up, but I really didn't mark out for it until probably about 2007-2008ish.
2.  WWE (all I know, really)
3.  CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Edge, Jericho, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Roman Reigns
4.  Money in the Bank 2011.
5.  Punk/Cena MitB 2011, Undertaker/Kane Inferno Match Unforgiven 1998, Undertaker/Michaels WM25, Savage/Steamboat WM3 (thanks to WWE Network for the older matches we've been watching)
6.  I used to like HHH before he became the "corporate sellout".  He did a pretty damn good job running RAW the first time around (before Yes Man Johnny Ace replaced him), but now it's just the same old shit.
7.  Pfft, please.
8.  I cringe more at how Dolph Ziggler (amongst others) was utterly buried.
9.  Yawn.  I think Punk/Taker or Bryan/Taker would've been much more enjoyable.
10. I like Cena but his schtick has gotten WAY old.  I also think Wyatt would have much more potential if he wasn't written as a hillbilly psychopath.
11. Dolph had it right on in the video posted above me - WM 30 is big enough that there should be enough room for everyone, but we (the marks) are shown/spoonfed otherwise.  That's part of the reason why Bryan is so over right now, and probably led to Punk leaving.  I'll also believe that Punk is back when I see it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Marion Crane on March 03, 2014, 09:00:24 AM
WWE would be crazy not to have Punk show up tonight.  Pay him whatever he wants.  That place is gonna flip their sh*t tonight if Punk doesn't show up. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Zook on March 03, 2014, 09:20:11 AM
1. When did you first get into wrestling?
My grandpa came to visit in '98 and he was a big wrestling fan. My older brother thought it was stupid, but my younger brother and I got into it pretty quickly thanks to Goldberg. Became a fan just in time to see him beat Hogan for the Championship.

2. Favorite promotions?
WCW and WWF/E. Watching old WCW Nitros makes me cringe though. Definitely a nostalgic memory.

3. Favorite wrestlers?
Goldberg, Stone Cold, Triple H, Kane, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, and Daniel Bryan is pretty cool too I guess.

4. Favorite shows?
No idea. Never kept track of that.

5. Favorite matches?
John Cena's recent matches with Punk and Bryan were really cool, but same as 4. I do like the TLC and ladder matches. Those are always fun.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Jaffa on March 03, 2014, 11:36:04 AM
WWE would be crazy not to have Punk show up tonight.  Pay him whatever he wants. 

May not be that simple.  If Punk doesn't want to show up, he's not going to show up.  And if he's really dealing with as many nagging injuries as he's said he is, then maybe he shouldn't show up.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Marion Crane on March 03, 2014, 11:37:36 AM
WWE would be crazy not to have Punk show up tonight.  Pay him whatever he wants. 

May not be that simple.  If Punk doesn't want to show up, he's not going to show up.  And if he's really dealing with as many nagging injuries as he's said he is, then maybe he shouldn't show up.

Yeah but it's confirmed that the main reason for his walkout was how they were booking WM, along with him being burnt out.  I seriously think if Punk doesn't show up tonight, Chicago better have some open jail cells
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: KevShmev on March 03, 2014, 11:44:20 AM
Good read below, regarding the Punk situation:

http://pwinsider.com/article/83982/whats-next-for-cm-punk-tonight-will-tell-the-tale.html?p=1

The most important thing to take from that article: CM Punk is not stupid.  Just like he leveraged his contract expiring in 2011 into the Summer of Punk, I believe his walkout was him using his leverage to come back and be in the main event of Wrestlemania 30.  The question is: will Vince give him what he wants?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Jaffa on March 03, 2014, 11:47:54 AM
What's funny to me is that Punk has said this should be Daniel Bryan's year, so if he does leverage himself into the WM main event, he'd be stealing Bryan's spot. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Marion Crane on March 03, 2014, 11:48:52 AM
I totally think Punk deserves to main event WM, just probably not this WM since they've written themselves into a whole and pretty much Daniel Bryan should be added to the main event.  Even if Punk does come back, I really don't know how they'll make the story lines work this close to the PPV
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Marion Crane on March 03, 2014, 11:49:55 AM
What's funny to me is that Punk has said this should be Daniel Bryan's year, so if he does leverage himself into the WM main event, he'd be stealing Bryan's spot.

I don't think Punk left because he himself wasn't in the main event.  I think it's because WWE went with Batista instead of Bryan.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: KevShmev on March 03, 2014, 11:54:29 AM
What's funny to me is that Punk has said this should be Daniel Bryan's year, so if he does leverage himself into the WM main event, he'd be stealing Bryan's spot.

Not true.  They seem to not want to put Bryan in the main event, so how can Punk be stealing Bryan's spot if he was never really gonna be in it anyway?

And if they do add Bryan into the main event as a triple threat, it would likely be if Punk doesn't come back and only as damage control because of how badly they screwed the pooch. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: KevShmev on March 03, 2014, 11:56:45 AM
What's funny to me is that Punk has said this should be Daniel Bryan's year, so if he does leverage himself into the WM main event, he'd be stealing Bryan's spot.

I don't think Punk left because he himself wasn't in the main event.  I think it's because WWE went with Batista instead of Bryan.

That was probably the last straw, but not the only straw.  Odds are, if Punk comes back, it will be under a new contract where he has some type of creative control over his character.  Given that Punk has zero faith in creative to do anything right, I can see him negotiating a large chunk of creative control, ala Bret Hart prior to his 1997 departure.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Marion Crane on March 03, 2014, 12:08:22 PM
Yeah I can see that
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Jaffa on March 03, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
What's funny to me is that Punk has said this should be Daniel Bryan's year, so if he does leverage himself into the WM main event, he'd be stealing Bryan's spot.

Not true.  They seem to not want to put Bryan in the main event, so how can Punk be stealing Bryan's spot if he was never really gonna be in it anyway?

Because if he really wanted Daniel Bryan to get the main event, he could try to use his leverage to make that happen.  Agree to come back and face Triple H at Mania on the condition that they add Bryan to the title match.  I'm not saying that would work, of course; I'm just saying it's something he could try if he was really doing this for the fans.  The thing is, I'm not at all sure he's doing this for the fans, or for Daniel Bryan, or for anybody other than himself.  And if he walked out on his contract as a power play to put himself in the main event, then as far as I'm concerned, he's really just a child throwing a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way. 

Don't get me wrong, I'd still love it if Punk was added to the main event.  It would be better with him than without him, because I still have the utmost respect for him as a performer.  I'm just not sure how I'll feel about him as a person if he's just been holding the WWE hostage to get himself back in the spotlight. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Marion Crane on March 03, 2014, 12:51:06 PM
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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Zook on March 03, 2014, 12:51:43 PM
What's funny to me is that Punk has said this should be Daniel Bryan's year, so if he does leverage himself into the WM main event, he'd be stealing Bryan's spot.

Not true.  They seem to not want to put Bryan in the main event, so how can Punk be stealing Bryan's spot if he was never really gonna be in it anyway?

Because if he really wanted Daniel Bryan to get the main event, he could try to use his leverage to make that happen.  Agree to come back and face Triple H at Mania on the condition that they add Bryan to the title match.  I'm not saying that would work, of course; I'm just saying it's something he could try if he was really doing this for the fans.  The thing is, I'm not at all sure he's doing this for the fans, or for Daniel Bryan, or for anybody other than himself.  And if he walked out on his contract as a power play to put himself in the main event, then as far as I'm concerned, he's really just a child throwing a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way. 

Don't get me wrong, I'd still love it if Punk was added to the main event.  It would be better with him than without him, because I still have the utmost respect for him as a performer.  I'm just not sure how I'll feel about him as a person if he's just been holding the WWE hostage to get himself back in the spotlight. 

Even if he is just throwing a temper tantrum, he's still doing what is ACTUALLY best for business.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: GentlemanofDread on March 03, 2014, 12:53:13 PM
If you've seen Punk's DVD, you'll probably get his mindset is that he's still trying to change WWE for the better, even if his methods aren't as popular as some people like. (Not too sure what people want from Punk really)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 03, 2014, 01:03:28 PM
The fact that Batista has gone heel after being brought back as a monster face proves that creative is in scramble mode. Who know's what we'll end up seeing. I hope that crowd is insane tonight. Crowds are fun.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: KevShmev on March 03, 2014, 01:24:42 PM
What's funny to me is that Punk has said this should be Daniel Bryan's year, so if he does leverage himself into the WM main event, he'd be stealing Bryan's spot.

Not true.  They seem to not want to put Bryan in the main event, so how can Punk be stealing Bryan's spot if he was never really gonna be in it anyway?

Because if he really wanted Daniel Bryan to get the main event, he could try to use his leverage to make that happen.  Agree to come back and face Triple H at Mania on the condition that they add Bryan to the title match.  I'm not saying that would work, of course; I'm just saying it's something he could try if he was really doing this for the fans.  The thing is, I'm not at all sure he's doing this for the fans, or for Daniel Bryan, or for anybody other than himself.  And if he walked out on his contract as a power play to put himself in the main event, then as far as I'm concerned, he's really just a child throwing a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way. 

Don't get me wrong, I'd still love it if Punk was added to the main event.  It would be better with him than without him, because I still have the utmost respect for him as a performer.  I'm just not sure how I'll feel about him as a person if he's just been holding the WWE hostage to get himself back in the spotlight.

I could not disagree more.

Is he trying to get a better spot for himself?  Of course, but what is wrong with that?  Should he just roll over and allow himself to be booked horribly, just so he can say he towed the company line and did what he was told?  Hell no.  Remember that the whole reason Michaels, HHH, Nash and Hall formed the Kliq back in the day was to have more say in how they were booked, instead of having to bow down to Vince and kiss his ass.  When you have power, you have leverage, and Punk has both at the moment.  When you combine how pissed the fans are at Bryan's awful booking as of late with Punk's departure, it is safe to say that right now the WWE needs Punk more than he needs them, which is why Vince has reportedly been scrambling like crazy to get him back in the fold.  Besides, there isn't a performer in the business with tons of power who hasn't used it to get what he wanted. Hogan, Flair, Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Bret, Michaels, HHH, Cena, Punk, etc....they've all done it.  It's the nature of the business.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 03, 2014, 02:13:33 PM
What's funny to me is that Punk has said this should be Daniel Bryan's year, so if he does leverage himself into the WM main event, he'd be stealing Bryan's spot.

Not true.  They seem to not want to put Bryan in the main event, so how can Punk be stealing Bryan's spot if he was never really gonna be in it anyway?

Because if he really wanted Daniel Bryan to get the main event, he could try to use his leverage to make that happen.  Agree to come back and face Triple H at Mania on the condition that they add Bryan to the title match.  I'm not saying that would work, of course; I'm just saying it's something he could try if he was really doing this for the fans.  The thing is, I'm not at all sure he's doing this for the fans, or for Daniel Bryan, or for anybody other than himself.  And if he walked out on his contract as a power play to put himself in the main event, then as far as I'm concerned, he's really just a child throwing a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way. 

Don't get me wrong, I'd still love it if Punk was added to the main event.  It would be better with him than without him, because I still have the utmost respect for him as a performer.  I'm just not sure how I'll feel about him as a person if he's just been holding the WWE hostage to get himself back in the spotlight.

I could not disagree more.

Is he trying to get a better spot for himself?  Of course, but what is wrong with that?  Should he just roll over and allow himself to be booked horribly, just so he can say he towed the company line and did what he was told?  Hell no.  Remember that the whole reason Michaels, HHH, Nash and Hall formed the Kliq back in the day was to have more say in how they were booked, instead of having to bow down to Vince and kiss his ass.  When you have power, you have leverage, and Punk has both at the moment.  When you combine how pissed the fans are at Bryan's awful booking as of late with Punk's departure, it is safe to say that right now the WWE needs Punk more than he needs them, which is why Vince has reportedly been scrambling like crazy to get him back in the fold.  Besides, there isn't a performer in the business with tons of power who hasn't used it to get what he wanted. Hogan, Flair, Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Bret, Michaels, HHH, Cena, Punk, etc....they've all done it.  It's the nature of the business.


I agree with every word of that. Vince, and other promoters through the years have had to cater to the demands of their draws. Just the cost of doing business.


This is cute:

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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: jingle.boy on March 03, 2014, 02:17:15 PM
Sounds like I need to DVR Raw.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Jaffa on March 03, 2014, 03:11:16 PM
What's funny to me is that Punk has said this should be Daniel Bryan's year, so if he does leverage himself into the WM main event, he'd be stealing Bryan's spot.

Not true.  They seem to not want to put Bryan in the main event, so how can Punk be stealing Bryan's spot if he was never really gonna be in it anyway?

Because if he really wanted Daniel Bryan to get the main event, he could try to use his leverage to make that happen.  Agree to come back and face Triple H at Mania on the condition that they add Bryan to the title match.  I'm not saying that would work, of course; I'm just saying it's something he could try if he was really doing this for the fans.  The thing is, I'm not at all sure he's doing this for the fans, or for Daniel Bryan, or for anybody other than himself.  And if he walked out on his contract as a power play to put himself in the main event, then as far as I'm concerned, he's really just a child throwing a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way. 

Don't get me wrong, I'd still love it if Punk was added to the main event.  It would be better with him than without him, because I still have the utmost respect for him as a performer.  I'm just not sure how I'll feel about him as a person if he's just been holding the WWE hostage to get himself back in the spotlight.

I could not disagree more.

Is he trying to get a better spot for himself?  Of course, but what is wrong with that?  Should he just roll over and allow himself to be booked horribly, just so he can say he towed the company line and did what he was told?  Hell no.  Remember that the whole reason Michaels, HHH, Nash and Hall formed the Kliq back in the day was to have more say in how they were booked, instead of having to bow down to Vince and kiss his ass.  When you have power, you have leverage, and Punk has both at the moment.  When you combine how pissed the fans are at Bryan's awful booking as of late with Punk's departure, it is safe to say that right now the WWE needs Punk more than he needs them, which is why Vince has reportedly been scrambling like crazy to get him back in the fold.  Besides, there isn't a performer in the business with tons of power who hasn't used it to get what he wanted. Hogan, Flair, Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Bret, Michaels, HHH, Cena, Punk, etc....they've all done it.  It's the nature of the business.

My point is that he claims this should be Daniel Bryan's year in the spotlight.  For him to then do everything in his power to put himself in the spotlight just strikes me as a bit hypocritical.  That's all. 

But I realize I'm in a minority on this.  I've already been literally cussed out elsewhere on the internet.   :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Marion Crane on March 03, 2014, 03:24:17 PM
Not trying to beat a dead horse...but I've been a wrestling fan for over 25 years now and a small part of me still sees this whole thing being a work.  I can just totally see Vince/HHH/Punk coming up with this after the Royal Rumble.  "Let's make it look like you left the company, even in your personal life.  The IWC will go crazy.  Take a month off, stay off Twitter, get your rest, then return for the RAW in Chicago in a month."

If this isn't the case, then it's almost like WWE is deliberately trying to make their creative team the new heel faction, much like the Corperation/McMahon/Helmsley regime was back in the day.  Except instead of Rock and Austin, it's now Punk and Bryan.  And instead of a work, it's a shoot. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: jingle.boy on March 03, 2014, 04:22:01 PM
Not trying to beat a dead horse...but I've been a wrestling fan for over 25 years now and a small part of me still sees this whole thing being a work.  I can just totally see Vince/HHH/Punk coming up with this after the Royal Rumble.  "Let's make it look like you left the company, even in your personal life.  The IWC will go crazy.  Take a month off, stay off Twitter, get your rest, then return for the RAW in Chicago in a month."

If this isn't the case, then it's almost like WWE is deliberately trying to make their creative team the new heel faction, much like the Corperation/McMahon/Helmsley Bischoff/Russo was back in the day.

Agreed, this could all be a very elaborate work, but I don't think that the McMahon's have that much creativity in them anymore.  Interesting theory though.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 03, 2014, 04:29:14 PM
WWE has announced that tonight, Batista will face Daniel Bryan. Interesting...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Jaffa on March 03, 2014, 04:40:40 PM
After Batista's promo on SmackDown talking about how he was going to destroy all of the fans' heroes, I kinda figured they'd be feeding him Daniel Bryan sooner or later.  I expect Bryan will end up getting Batista Bombed through the announce table or something.

I'd love to be proven wrong, of course.  But after what happened with Ziggler, I'm not optimistic. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 03, 2014, 05:35:45 PM
Watching the Pre-Show.... just heard a CM Punk chant, loud and proud..... they're currently filming O'Neil vs. Ryder for Superstars.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 03, 2014, 06:05:41 PM
Paul Heyman, I love you  :heart

and nice touch with the sitting indian style.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 03, 2014, 06:08:45 PM
Paul Heyman, I love you  :heart

and nice touch with the sitting indian style.


Well... if he's NOT there... this is certainly the best way to approach it.


Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Marion Crane on March 03, 2014, 06:32:14 PM
He HAS to be there.  And if he isn't, someone needs to call a cab and get him there in the next 2.5 hrs.  Or else this crowd will riot.  We're gonna hear Punk chants for the rest of the night, unless DB is wrestling.  Maybe even then.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 03, 2014, 06:38:57 PM
Awesome to see the Usos win the Tag Team Titles.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 03, 2014, 06:40:16 PM
Not trying to beat a dead horse...but I've been a wrestling fan for over 25 years now and a small part of me still sees this whole thing being a work.  I can just totally see Vince/HHH/Punk coming up with this after the Royal Rumble.  "Let's make it look like you left the company, even in your personal life.  The IWC will go crazy.  Take a month off, stay off Twitter, get your rest, then return for the RAW in Chicago in a month."

If this isn't the case, then it's almost like WWE is deliberately trying to make their creative team the new heel faction, much like the Corperation/McMahon/Helmsley Bischoff/Russo was back in the day.

Agreed, this could all be a very elaborate work, but I don't think that the McMahon's have that much creativity in them anymore.  Interesting theory though.

If it's all a work, then it's awesome. But I don't give them any benefit of the doubt right now that they have that kind of creativity either. I think they're just legitimately doing a shit job of business.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 03, 2014, 06:46:13 PM
Wow... I get that they're building towards Cesaro/Swagger... but what a waste.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Marion Crane on March 03, 2014, 06:48:14 PM
That seals it.  If the 6 man tag isn't closing the show, then Bryan/Batista is.  Punk is showing up then.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 03, 2014, 06:57:56 PM

If it's all a work, then it's awesome. But I don't give them any benefit of the doubt right now that they have that kind of creativity either. I think they're just legitimately doing a shit job of business.

As much as I wish they were that creative, I know in my heart that they've probably just fallen ass backwards into something special here, because D-bry and Punk are red hot over right now. And jaded, cynical me is now watching RAW for the first time in months.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Dimitrius on March 03, 2014, 06:58:20 PM
I say again, Seth Rollins is a god!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 03, 2014, 07:10:19 PM
That was an awesome match. Nice to see that Seth was the one that deserted the other two, while so many thought it would be Dean.

Think a triple threat match at Wrestlemania is likely.... perhaps for the United States Title.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: jingle.boy on March 03, 2014, 10:11:06 PM
Well, that was a lunch bag let down.  Steph and HHH are just brutal at promo's these days.  There were so many opportunities for Bryan to tear her to shreds.  I liked how he immediately dismissed her - "Anyway..."   :lol  But it would've been better for him to respond "you wouldn't have anything without your family".

Could they be possibly setting up the all-too-obvious three-way for the title?  I can't say that I'm anymore interested in what the WWE is doing these days, and was highly disappointed in no Punk.  It's clearly not a work now, because tonight would've been the night to capitalize on it if it was a work.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 04, 2014, 05:47:49 AM
Yesterday was a great show, all things considered. It does look like we're getting a triple threat for the title. Maybe Trips and Bryan's match will be a win and you're in sort of thing. We'll see.

As for Punk.... yeah, he's gone and it's legit. If it was a work, last night was the time to bring him back.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: GentlemanofDread on March 04, 2014, 05:58:11 AM
Whilst I'm sure Punk not being there is worrying, man, Heyman's line about "The man that nobody dares talk about" was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Jaffa on March 04, 2014, 06:27:38 AM
I think last night's show featured some of the loudest booing I've ever heard in my life.   :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: KevShmev on March 04, 2014, 08:58:41 AM
Having Heyman come out to Punk's music at the beginning was a cheap ploy to make most think, they wouldn't do that unless Punk was showing up later, and keep watching for the whole night.  And it probably worked. :lol :lol

Pairing Aaron Paul with Ziggler was a wise move, since you know they didn't want their guest star getting booed, and pairing him with a guy a smarky Chicago crowd loves was the way to go.

And I've never seen John Cena look so bored and irrelevant.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Dimitrius on March 06, 2014, 06:49:11 AM
Heyman is such a master! I laughed so much when he took the crowd to it's zenith of pro-Punkness and then turn all that into heat for Brock and himself with one sentence! :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Syzzle on March 09, 2014, 03:41:15 AM
- We noted before that John Cena and Daniel Bryan were being planned to be pushed as the #1 and #2 guys in WWE coming out of WrestleMania XXX. Cesaro will also be pushed big time and is being planned for a big match at SummerSlam. Other names to be pushed hard after WrestleMania include Bray Wyatt, Roman Reigns, Batista, Brock Lesnar & Paul Heyman and Randy Orton.

Not sure how you push Batista and Randy Orton any more than they already have. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 10, 2014, 08:13:21 PM
Trips vs. DB.... if DB wins, he gets added to the WWEWHC match at WM. All is well.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Raw is Punk?
Post by: GentlemanofDread on March 10, 2014, 08:25:49 PM
What's that chant to symbolize how much I like this..? YES! YES! YES!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Dimitrius on March 10, 2014, 08:55:06 PM
So he beats HHH and loses the triple threat...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: KevShmev on March 10, 2014, 09:39:07 PM
You can't help but wonder what they would have done regarding Daniel Bryan had Punk not walked out after the Rumble?  Since Punk/HHH was a near lock before that, would they have found another way to get Bryan into the main event, or would the lame ass rumored match against Sheamus been it?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 10, 2014, 09:46:42 PM
Maybe all hope is not lost after all! So that means it's basically a sure thing Bryan will beat HHH, even if he loses the title match.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: KevShmev on March 10, 2014, 09:52:11 PM
Given that you know Vince wants to promote Batista's movie that is coming out this summer, and that it will be a lot easier if he is the champ, I think a likely scenario is Bryan winning the belt at WM, but then Batista winning it shortly thereafter, leading to a spring/summer feud that will see Batista the champ and Bryan quickly back in the underdog role of trying to win it all.  He'll get the payoff at WM, and it will be glorious, but it will be short-lived.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Dimitrius on March 11, 2014, 05:24:58 PM
That isn't necessarily a bad thing, if he and Batista trade it a few times, a la Stone Cold. He never had a long reign, granted the main event talent was deeper back then.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: jjrock88 on March 12, 2014, 09:56:42 AM
Thank goodness they added the stip with Bryan possibly getting the title shot if he beats Triple H. But if it's another screw job, there may be a riot. Plus, I think everyone is ready for a major push for Cesaro, he's awesome
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Jaffa on March 18, 2014, 12:47:08 AM
I'm usually one of the first people to try to defend Triple H on the internet, but if he ends up winning the title at Wrestlemania, I might facepalm myself into a coma. 

Shield's rebellion looks promising, though. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2014, 02:55:44 AM
It would be dumb to have a champion that stays behind the scenes. I think HHH just wants to be in the main event regardless if he wins or not.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 18, 2014, 03:16:57 AM
I don't think there's any way Triple H will work that Main Event of Daniel Bryan. Last night was just him building an angle. I'm surprised how many people seem to be making it more than it was.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 18, 2014, 03:26:13 AM
They are sticking Bryan in the main event so the crowd doesn't tear that place apart during the awful title match they initially had planned. If they put HHH in there over Bryan? They're not getting out of that venue alive.
Whether they have him win the title or not, there is no way Bryan is not going to be in that title match.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Dimitrius on March 18, 2014, 06:47:44 AM
I WANT to think that it is just the WWE building the angle, but with Triple H one can never be sure!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2014, 09:23:28 AM
I didn't see it, but after hearing about it, any RAW that begins AND ends with a HHH promo is a RAW I want no part of.  His long-winded, boring monologues (which 99% of his promos are) do not interest me. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2014, 09:41:48 AM
The promos are the best part of RAW.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Marion Crane on March 18, 2014, 01:43:18 PM
Yeah they totally swerved me last night.  One of the best endings to Raw I've seen in years
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 18, 2014, 02:07:22 PM
I'm not a big Triple H fan, but he is definitely bringing his a game for this match build. Stephanie has been absolutely incredible.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: rubenchitito on March 18, 2014, 02:45:19 PM
1. When did you first get into wrestling?

2001 - Shortly before WWE acquired WCW and ECW and the invasion started

2. Favorite promotions?

New Japan Pro Wrestling and WWE

3. Favorite wrestlers?

Shinsuke Nakamura, Kazuchika Okada, Cm Punk and Antonio Cesaro.

4. Favorite shows?

Too many to mention but ECW One Night Stand 2005 and 2006 were memorable.

5. Favorite matches?

I don't know the context but assuming it's types then I will say Money In The Bank and Hell In a Cell before PG.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Cool Chris on March 18, 2014, 03:21:11 PM
I pity the fool who does not acknowledge Mr. T being inducted in to the WWE HoF! I remember that first Wrestlemania with him going face to face (literally!) with Roddy Piper in the ring. Like the promo said, that was such a huge crossover as Mr. T was about as big as you could get back then.

(http://onehellofaslobberknocker.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/8-26-2013-9-42-53-pm.jpg)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: jjrock88 on March 18, 2014, 04:10:36 PM
that was a pretty cool angle at the end of Raw; actually looking forward to a Triple H match for once.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2014, 09:07:52 AM
Mr. T will always be Clubber Lang, to me. 

"Don't give that sucka no statue! Give 'em guts!"
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Cool Chris on March 19, 2014, 09:36:38 AM
As great as he was in that movie...

Mr. T will always be Clubber Lang Sgt BA Baracus, to me. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Win and you're in.
Post by: Jaffa on March 31, 2014, 11:42:04 PM
Pretty good ending to Raw.  I really, really hope they manage to put on a good WrestleMania. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Dimitrius on April 01, 2014, 07:04:35 AM
Triple H sold that attack like a champ! Especially when Bryan drop through the ropes. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 01, 2014, 02:37:07 PM
Triple H sold that attack like a champ! Especially when Bryan drop through the ropes. :lol

Absolutely!

Trips and Steph have been absolutely fantastic on the road to Wrestlemania!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 03, 2014, 07:59:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/o5kdCFjl.jpg)

INB4 the Bryan/HHH match ends in a controversial double count-out or something, and Hogan, as the host of WM30, inserts them both into the main event for a Fatal Four-Way.  The way this has been booked, it almost seems inevitable.  Plus, it will give HHH's ego the satisfaction of not having put Bryan over in a one-on-one match.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 03, 2014, 08:08:32 AM
My brother came to the same conclusion, and the more I think about it, the more it seems exactly like something HHH would do.

Either way, Daniel Bryan has to be in that title match, after all, that's why they needed to do this, but the chance of HHH also putting himself into the mix is much more likely than Bryan having a clean victory over HHH and having the 3 way match.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: antigoon on April 05, 2014, 12:56:34 PM
I will be watching Wrestlemania tomorrow. The last time I watched WWE was last year's Wrestlemania.

Anything I should know?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Dimitrius on April 05, 2014, 07:26:59 PM
CM Punk's out. Daniel Bryan is the hottest thing in the business since Stone Cold. SHIELD is still awesome.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 06, 2014, 05:04:36 AM
SHIELD is still awesome.
Until Captain America: The Winter Soldier, that is.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: GentlemanofDread on April 06, 2014, 05:18:55 AM
And the Hall of Fame is too draining to watch from start to end.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 06, 2014, 08:47:09 AM
And the Hall of Fame is too draining to watch from start to end.

Agreed. It was pretty much a trainwreck. Lita's stories were entertaining, but she went on entirely too long. Mr. T effectively highjacked the show with a long-winded speech having nothing to do with professional wrestling whatsoever. It was a shame to see Kane have to come out prematurely and interrupt him. And Warrior's at the end, as out there as one of his promos......

Jake's speech and Bearer's induction were the highlights for me.   
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 06, 2014, 08:57:16 AM
Oh yeah... it's time for Wrestlemania XXX! Time to see guys who have been grinding all year do their thing on the biggest stage that professional wrestling provides. Guys like Cesaro, Kofi Kingston, Dolph Ziggler, R-Truth, Christian, and so many others. I can't wait to see their single matches. And teams like the Usos and the Brotherhood... can't wait to see them work on the main card.....

Oh that's right, Wrestlemania ain't about that life. Instead we've got to see cherry pickers and part-timers come out and take their spots, then stay out of the ring until it's convenient. All part of the business, but not a part that I like. At least Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, Bray Wyatt, The Shield and John Cena all get appropriate spots. And at least The Rock ain't around to be a part of the main event for the fourth year in a row.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 06, 2014, 09:25:45 AM
My picks (In the order of how i think the matches will be ordered)

Pre-Show: Usos win. Get the crowd warmed up

1. The Shield vs. Kane & New Age Outlaws: If you would have asked me months ago, I would have thought that the Shield would have been facing each other in a triple threat match for Dean's U.S. Title, instead, WWE seems content on letting this over as hell stable continue to roll. In that light, they get another big win tonight. But I wouldn't be disappointed to see Dean turn on Roman and Seth.

2. Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal. I'll take The Big Show, but wouldn't be surprised to see Sheamus add another accolade to his impressive resume.

3. Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H. I think that with this build, both Trips and Bryan could wind up in the main event. I think the logical way to do this is to have Trips win dirty as hell, and to have someone, either Hogan or Vince add Bryan to the main event, making it a Fatal Fourway. But once again, would not surprise me to see Trips do the job outright.

4. Vickie Guerrero Divas Championship Invitational. Damn, it would have been great to see a well build, one on one match for the Divas Title. I re-watched Mickey James and Trish Stratus from WM22 yesterday, and that's how you build up a women's match. Instead, we've got this. I'll go out on a limb and say that Tamina kirks out on AJ Lee and leaves with the title. But I'd love to see Natayla win this mess.

5. John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt. I've stated before that to me, neither man needs to win this match, or a loss doesn't hurt either man. This will be the first time that Cena wrestles someone at Mania who was not currently or previously a top champion. I've got Cena taking this match, but would love to see Bray pull it out like he did against Bryan at the Royal Rumble.

6. The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar. Undertaker wins a brutal match.

7. WWE World Heavyweight Championship Match.
Daniel Bryan pins Orton to win the WWE Championship. This protects Batista, who has also stated he detests the triple threat format because he doesn't have to be pinned to lose. As stated earlier, I (and many others) believe that this will actually end up being a fatal fourway match. And while the writers could throw a swerve here, or have Bryan lose (or not make the match at all), I think that they'll put over Bryan so that everyone leaves happy and WMXXX is fondly remembered for years to come.

Will CM Punk be a part of the show? I'm thinking not. But if he does show up, it would be great to see him come back all corporate looking to screw Daniel Bryan. But if he shows up tonight... people will be screaming "told you it was a work".
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 06, 2014, 09:36:09 AM
I think Wyatt will win the match against Cena. I think the only reason he's got a match against Cena is as part of his big push, and I think beating Cena will be to bring him up. I have no idea what they see in that guy though. For a Wrestlemania match, this is beneath Cena, and I'm not even a Cena fan.

I would also bet that HHH will not give Bryan a clean win. I'll give it a 70% chance they'll both end up in the title match, and a 30% chance that Bryan barely wins by interference or something else that makes HHH look like the legend he thinks he is. There's no chance Bryan is not making it to the title match though.
As for who wins the title match itself? Like everyone else, I'm hoping to see Bryan win it, but I think there's still at least as good a chance Bootista still takes it.

Hopefully there are some genuine pleasant surprises!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Dimitrius on April 06, 2014, 09:36:31 AM
Well, I think Mr. T loves his mother.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 06, 2014, 09:39:08 AM
Well, I think Mr. T loves his mother.

And I bet he treats his mother right.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 06, 2014, 03:11:46 PM
In my dream world, Sting shows up and costs Taker the lesner match, killing the streak and gaining an inferno level of heat. One year build to WM31 where Taker regains his honor by going over against sting.

It would never happen, but if it was ten years earlier I would have liked to see an angle like that, considering both Taker and Sting were my two favorite wrestlers growing up.

And this is probably nothing but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDlQ20p8BXw
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Jaffa on April 06, 2014, 03:49:47 PM
In my dream world, Sting shows up and costs Taker the lesner match, killing the streak and gaining an inferno level of heat.

Really?  This is pretty much my nightmare scenario for ending the streak.   :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 06, 2014, 03:51:24 PM
In my dream world, Sting shows up and costs Taker the lesner match, killing the streak and gaining an inferno level of heat.

Really?  This is pretty much my nightmare scenario for ending the streak.   :lol

Yeah... there's no way to justify allowing Brock to be the one to end the streak. If Sting's really in the mix, he can come down after an Undertaker win or show up tomorrow night on Raw.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 06, 2014, 06:03:11 PM
Awesome opening match. I just marked out big time.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2014, 06:52:02 PM
Good match, and judging from comments I've seen online, I am one of many who could have done without Stephanie screaming her head off every 22 seconds outside the ring.

Also, the main event now will likely see interference from HHH and Stephanie, and my money would be on it backfiring, leading to a Bryan win, and possibly leading to an Orton face turn in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 06, 2014, 07:01:59 PM
judging from comments I've seen online, I am one of many who could have done without Stephanie screaming her head off every 22 seconds outside the ring.


Agreed. That got old really fast.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2014, 07:34:54 PM
Aside from the obvious - promoting the streak for money - what was the point of this Undertaker/Lesnar match?  Lesnar looks weak and horrible, cause Undertaker is old and can't take bumps like he used to.  As much as people ragged on Rock and Batista for waltzing back in to main event Wrestlemania, Undertaker has it made in the shade: he can show up once a year to keep his kayfabe streak going.  Boring.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Jaffa on April 06, 2014, 07:46:33 PM
I'm not watching Mania live, so I can't really comment on the quality of the Taker/Lesnar match, but I definitely think they could have picked a much better opponent for him this year. 

That being said, I really don't have a problem with him showing up once a year for WrestleMania.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 06, 2014, 07:52:25 PM
Its almost painful watching this Taker match. The crowds getting restless and so am I. He should have just went out on top with 20-0


HOLY SHIT
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2014, 07:56:10 PM
Thank God it's over.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Jaffa on April 06, 2014, 07:58:22 PM
Wait, Lesnar won?

... I can't remember the last time I've been this legitimately surprised by the outcome of a match. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 06, 2014, 07:58:42 PM
Unbelievable....... why not give it to an up and comer that could have used that like Roman, Cesaro or Bray?

Unbelievable.....
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: axeman90210 on April 06, 2014, 08:05:03 PM
You could hear a pin drop when the ref counted three. I'm still in shock.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2014, 08:09:10 PM
It was time.  Like I said earlier, he is old now and can't take bumps anymore, and while they played up the "he can't get to his feet" angle, it was legit; he simply cannot go anymore, which is why he probably agreed to let Lesnar beat him.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: axeman90210 on April 06, 2014, 08:12:14 PM
I would have rather they gave that honor to a Reigns or Cesaro or Wyatt. Someone who would benefit from the rub of ending The Streak.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2014, 08:19:00 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BklWo56CcAATHvL.jpg)

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Jaffa on April 06, 2014, 08:19:26 PM
Yeah, I'm kind of torn here.  On the one hand, it's just surreal.  The streak's been going on about as long as I've been alive.  It feels incredibly strange to think that it's over.  I am literally in disbelief.

On the other hand, Undertaker obviously couldn't keep doing this forever.  At some point, he was going to stop wrestling, and there would always be a question of what to do about the streak.  I also know that Undertaker has enough creative control at this point in his career that he didn't have to do this if he didn't want to, so I have to assume that this outcome had his blessing.  And if this is the way he wanted it to end, fair enough.  I respect that. 

On the third hand (that's right; I grew a third hand just to express my disappointment), I personally think Brock Lesnar is a fucking awful choice for ending the streak. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Cool Chris on April 06, 2014, 08:38:20 PM
Sounds like the audience gave him some nice appreciation after Brock and Heyman left.

This does feel surreal, that is a good word to describe it. This match did feel like a throw away, certainly not the one that would end the streak. No build-up, momentum. Nothing like the matches he had with Michaels and HHH. And of course seeing the three of them at the top of the ramp at the end of WM28.... that would have been the most fitting way to end an era.

And of course they follow it up with the Diva Invitational or whatever.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2014, 08:52:09 PM
THat was awesome. :metal
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 06, 2014, 08:54:13 PM
THat was awesome. :metal

Hell yeah it was  :metal :metal

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 06, 2014, 09:09:32 PM
Whistles.......

(http://abload.de/img/bombvzurz.gif)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Jaffa on April 06, 2014, 09:12:50 PM
THat was awesome. :metal

Hell yeah it was  :metal :metal

The whole show, or just the main event?

I'm just curious; as I said, I haven't watched it. 

EDIT:  Also, kinda looks like Orton landed on the monitor.  Ooouuuuch...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2014, 09:19:36 PM
Bryan winning at the end and the crowd going berserk the way they did.  Awesome moment.

And I am shocked Orton was able to finish the match after landing on that monitor.  I thought he was legit hurt.  Hell, he probably is.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Jaffa on April 06, 2014, 09:31:04 PM
And I am shocked Orton was able to finish the match after landing on that monitor.  I thought he was legit hurt.  Hell, he probably is.

Seriously.  That does not look good. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Syzzle on April 06, 2014, 09:47:56 PM
Not sure Bryan winning makes up for them ending the streak what a joke :censored
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on April 07, 2014, 12:35:55 AM
Kinda weird to see Lesnar, of all people, beat 'Taker  :yeahright
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Zook on April 07, 2014, 12:42:41 AM
Triple H coming out as Shao Kahn was one of the cheesiest things I've even seen in wrestling...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Zook on April 07, 2014, 01:02:27 AM
And I bet Vince didn't like his son in law doing a crippler crossface.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: GentlemanofDread on April 07, 2014, 01:21:02 AM
Prowrestling.net can confirm reports that Undertaker (Mark Calaway) was taken by ambulance to a hospital in New Orleans after his WrestleMania 30 match with Brock Lesnar on Sunday. It is believed that he suffered a concussion during the match.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 07, 2014, 03:57:46 AM
Whistles.......

(http://abload.de/img/bombvzurz.gif)

That move was amazing. I didn't notice at the time that Orton hit the monitor right on like that.


Aside from the Undertaker match, the night they had booked could not have gone better.

I am thoroughly shocked that HHH cleanly put over Daniel Bryan, and not only that, put on a pretty darn good match that didn't devolve into weapon hits. Then after the match he did just enough to keep Bryan as the underdog going into the title match. Respect to HHH for his job. And Stephanie was awesome. I was surprised she didn't interfere during the match. Perfect performances all around.

The tag match was suitably short and sweet. It was a waste of the Shield, but luckily it was a squash match, and that triple/double powerbomb was a killer finish. Perfect outcome to a wasted booking.

The battle royale was great. It was a perfect excuse to give Kofi Kingston another fun showing, and having Cesaro body slam The Big Show over the top rope was such a brilliantly fitting finish to the match. Well played.

The Cena/Wyatt match was expectedly fairly stinky, but I was pleasantly surprised that Cena won. They got to raise Wyatt's profile without compromising one of their top guys. Another good result, and the match wasn't quite as bad as it could have been.

The Lesnar/Taker match sucked huge donkey testicles. It was just 15 minutes of basic striking moves. The crowd wasn't even pissed, they were simply in shock. Such an uneventful match that ended with zero fanfare. I didn't even believe that the match had ended, it was all over without there really being much of a match. A match that shitty did not deserve to end the streak, and Lesnar hadn't really earned that right either. The only downer of the night.

The Divas match wasn't too bad at all. The Divas matches at Wrestlemania are usually in a tough spot, and this was no exception. But it kept up a good pace, and had some decent moves, and another good result.

Then the title match. Going into the show, I would have given it an even bet of Batista still winning, but after HHH let Bryan beat him cleanly, there was no way he was letting Bryan lose. It would have made him look bad.
Again, HHH put in what was necessary to play his part in the match, then left and let Bryan have his moment.
The moments where it was just Orton/Batista, the crowd couldn't have cared less. They did a couple of big moves, but all eyes were on Bryan when he was being wheeled out on the stretcher.
That match played out so well, and it was a huge Wrestlemania moment. They've put a lot of faith in him here, and hopefully he continues to remain in the title picture regardless of the fallout from this.

They clearly had little faith in their "host" Hulk Hogan, so putting him together with two of the other icons of wrestling to kick off the show was perfect for the occasion. I'm glad there weren't any stunners etc. I loved seeing them all acknowledge each other and shake hands and leave it at that.
The other cameos were excellent too.

Overall, a really solid Wrestlemania from start to finish, and a huge turnaround from the Royal Rumble, which was a low point for the WWE.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: ZKX-2099 on April 07, 2014, 05:35:29 AM
How do they not have flat screens there yet?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: GentlemanofDread on April 07, 2014, 06:27:55 AM
Monitor looks more effective than a flatscreen would when hitting someone with it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 07, 2014, 07:41:27 AM
I doubt they had little faith in Hogan, so much as his bad knees and hips have made it to where he probably can't take even the simplest bump, thus what he can do is fairly limited.  Plus, once they got Rock and Austin on board to show up, having the three biggest stars in wrestling history together, even if it was just window-dressing, was the natural thing to do.

I'd love to know what measures Vince took to ensure that Warrior and Hogan didn't cross paths since the former still has a major beef with the latter.

The unfortunate thing for Daniel Bryan is, they actually let him win it all and have his big moment, like so many thought they should, but all anyone is talking about is the Undertaker's stupid streak ending.  Some older gal I work with is legit mad that he lost instead of just retiring with the streak intact.  I chided her on FB about it, and the next time I see her, I am gonna remind her again what a mark she is. :lol :lol :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Jaffa on April 07, 2014, 07:46:20 AM
The unfortunate thing for Daniel Bryan is, they actually let him win it all and have his big moment, like so many thought they should, but all anyone is talking about is the Undertaker's stupid streak ending.  Some older gal I work with is legit mad that he lost instead of just retiring with the streak intact.  I chided her on FB about it, and the next time I see her, I am gonna remind her again what a mark she is. :lol :lol :biggrin:

There's really no need to be so dismissive about it.  Granted, it's just professional wrestling, no big deal, but it's also the end of a storyline that has been going on for more than two decades.  I think that seems like something worth talking about.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 07, 2014, 07:50:18 AM
I doubt they had little faith in Hogan, so much as his bad knees and hips have made it to where he probably can't take even the simplest bump, thus what he can do is fairly limited.  Plus, once they got Rock and Austin on board to show up, having the three biggest stars in wrestling history together, even if it was just window-dressing, was the natural thing to do.

It did work out very nicely, and I'm actually glad Austin and Rock didn't get involved beyond that. I'm over the Rock's recent part timer wrestling, and Austin didn't need to do anything, it was just cool to see him there as part of the event. He was clearly enjoying the hell out of being in there too. :hat Having any fighting after that would have ruined the moment.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 07, 2014, 07:52:34 AM
Oh, I know, Jaffa.  I will do it in a fun way, as she is a super nice lady, so I'll be cool about it, while also having fun with it. :coolio

Also, back to one of BVD's points, Stephanie not interfering in the match made total sense when you consider the kayfabe stance she and HHH had taken.  In their minds, Bryan wasn't good enough to even wrestle HHH at Wrestlemania, and only got the match because of the Occupy Raw moment, so she shouldn't need to interfere since HHH should beat Bryan with relative ease.  Her "shocked" reaction when Bryan won was part of that arc.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 07, 2014, 08:07:15 AM
Also, back to one of BVD's points, Stephanie not interfering in the match made total sense when you consider the kayfabe stance she and HHH had taken.  In their minds, Bryan wasn't good enough to even wrestle HHH at Wrestlemania, and only got the match because of the Occupy Raw moment, so she shouldn't need to interfere since HHH should beat Bryan with relative ease.  Her "shocked" reaction when Bryan won was part of that arc.

I didn't think of it that way, but that works.
I'm glad she stayed out of that match, and that they saved the obligatory screw-job drama for the big title match (excluding the minor beating after the first match, which was expected).

It even showed that HHH is capable of wrestling a good match without using weapons and foul play as a crutch. Best match I've seen from him in a long time, and I gained a little bit of respect for him after this PPV, which I thought was impossible at this point. Bryan makes his opponents lift their game, and he can put on a good match with just about anyone, which is the mark of a great wrestler.
And seeing HHH wrestle in the opening match was also a bonus, even if he did still insert himself into the title match in some form. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Syzzle on April 07, 2014, 08:34:27 AM
(http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4252583/grr.gif)

Probably HHH's best entrance.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: GentlemanofDread on April 07, 2014, 08:38:42 AM
My love for Sasha Banks keeps distracting me in that gif.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: jjrock88 on April 07, 2014, 10:02:14 AM
I thought it was a great show overall.  I expected Bryan to come out on top at the end, but I was very legitimately surprised to see Undertaker lose cleanly.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: Ħ on April 07, 2014, 10:21:59 AM
Extremely surprised to see Taker lose. WTF happened. He had a concussion? Lesnar was supposed to put him over but chose to break script? The rumor mill keeps turning...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 07, 2014, 10:23:34 AM
People can make up any rumor they want, but anybody who believes that that match didn't end exactly as they planned it needs to get a grip on reality.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 07, 2014, 10:34:56 AM
Yes, it was a lame end to the streak, and it sucks that Undertaker lost, but losing a match isn't a conspiracy regardless of his win record. The Undertaker has wanted the streak to end in the past, but nobody else has wanted it. They ended it at Wrestlemania XXX to a powerful opponent.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: farsight on April 07, 2014, 11:52:54 AM
Where the f did that Trips come from? Tiger suplex, crossface chickenwing and crippler?  Definitely MVP of WM30 for me(Except for Punk, who seems to have saved the fans from experiencing Bryan-Shaemus and Orton-Batista).

I'm actually excited for what he has in store for next year. Steph was distractingly hot.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - WM XXX
Post by: KevShmev on April 07, 2014, 12:05:46 PM
I doubt they would have kept those plans.  They likely would have found a way to get Bryan into the title match, just not having to resurrect the feud with HHH to do it.  We'll never know what their original plans really were, but the Royal Rumble backlash - Batista not being the face they thought he'd be following his return; the anger over Bryan not being in the Rumble - forced them to change things, and that would have happened even if Punk had stayed.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: Dimitrius on April 07, 2014, 03:00:35 PM
Hate Triple H all you want, but damn he put on a great match with Bryan and jobbed clean!

At first I thought either Taker or the ref fucked up that three count because I was so surprised, but yeah it was time for him to lose. I would've if it had been in the long rumored Sting match though.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: Ħ on April 07, 2014, 05:41:52 PM
Predictions for RAW tonight? I bet Heyman and Lesnar open the show and get tons of heat. The best that can come from Taker's loss is if Lesnar gets a huge push out of it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: jjrock88 on April 07, 2014, 06:46:21 PM
Anyone think that Sting will show up tonight?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: Zook on April 07, 2014, 06:47:57 PM
That would be cool.

So are the Wyatts so over because the crowd hates Cena, cause they were cheered like faces in that match.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: jjrock88 on April 07, 2014, 06:55:37 PM
wow Wyatts were over huge tonight
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: jingle.boy on April 07, 2014, 08:13:39 PM
That Ultimate Warrior promo was painful. Dude looks like he can barely walk, let alone talk.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: Dimitrius on April 07, 2014, 08:34:53 PM
An hour ago, Heyman was being booed out the building and now he's cheered like he's Daniel Bryan lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: KevShmev on April 07, 2014, 10:36:58 PM
Has anyone ever been as over as Daniel Bryan is at the moment?  Seriously.  It is just insane.  Maybe Hogan, Rock or Austin, but that's it.  That pretty crazy company to be in.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: jingle.boy on April 07, 2014, 11:18:16 PM
Agreed. I can't recall anyone other than those three getting the pops that Brian has. Maybe Brett Hart in the USA vs Canada days, when he was a huge face up here, and a heel south of the border.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: abydos on April 07, 2014, 11:32:29 PM
I don't really care about wrestling since Stone Cold-Undertaker-Rock were the main events and I'm still pissed that they ended the streak. It killed a little from my childhood.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: farsight on April 07, 2014, 11:51:28 PM
I sure hope Bryan can sustain his popularity, but he has got to change things up a bit now that he's won the championship. Maybe get a manager.

Paige winning is cool. AJ botched the finisher though. This will be a great feud.

And this really feels like the start of a new era.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 08, 2014, 06:33:37 PM
I sure hope Bryan can sustain his popularity, but he has got to change things up a bit now that he's won the championship. Maybe get a manager.

Paige winning is cool. AJ botched the finisher though. This will be a great feud.

And this really feels like the start of a new era.

I feel like they should have waited on having the actual match. Both ladies had title reigns over 200 days long. They could have played that up and had a title for title match which might have been the biggest Women's Title Match in modern history. But that aside, still very happy for the Champ!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: KevShmev on April 08, 2014, 09:47:35 PM
Assuming the HHH twitter account is legit, and I think it is, he just announced the passing of the Ultimate Warrior.  Woah.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: KevShmev on April 08, 2014, 10:00:07 PM
It's legit.  WWE.com has announced it now as well.  That is some crazy timing, considering he was inducted into the HOF this past weekend and appeared on RAW last night for the first time in almost 20 years.  Wow.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 08, 2014, 10:51:59 PM
It's legit.  WWE.com has announced it now as well.  That is some crazy timing, considering he was inducted into the HOF this past weekend and appeared on RAW last night for the first time in almost 20 years.  Wow.

I can't help but think that can't be a coincidence. I'm thinking either the recent events were too much for him and his heart gave out (as has caused many old wrestlers to drop like flies), or maybe even suicide, given that he's a bit of an odd guy.

R.I.P Ultimate Warrior.

And I watched this week's RAW. I haven't watched it in forever, but it was surprisingly great.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 08, 2014, 10:54:04 PM
Could this be the fastest title change, ever?  From RIP Streak to RIP Warrior?

Anywho, this is very sad and very sudden that it happened and this segment pretty much makes a good amount of sense in light of everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR08M6EUd0g
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: Jaffa on April 08, 2014, 11:42:31 PM
Holy shit.   :( :( :( :( :(

R.I.P. Warrior. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: black_biff_stadler on April 09, 2014, 12:35:42 AM
It really is sad for him to die this young but at the very least he went out sensationally: WWE HoF, Wrestlemania XXX, and a Raw reunion all in his final week. I truly feel bad for his loved ones and fans but, for him at least, this is FAR better than the standard 10-15 years of withering through a gradual decline in motor skills, mental capacity, and many other things we take for granted in our vital years. Regardless, RIP Warrior.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Streak
Post by: jjrock88 on April 09, 2014, 01:19:44 AM
RIP Warrior
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 09, 2014, 03:28:01 AM
Unbelievable. My thoughts are with his wife and children....
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Dimitrius on April 09, 2014, 05:14:09 AM
This is incredibly surprising. We just saw him the day before and everything you read about him said he always took good care of himself. Wow

RIP
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: jingle.boy on April 09, 2014, 07:38:45 AM
That is absolutely crazy. Makes his speech Monday about the last heart beat and last breath so incredibly ironic (and not in the good way). Saddened to hear this. He was one of my favorites growing up.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: El Barto on April 09, 2014, 08:30:25 AM
Down here he was just seen as a Kerry Von Erich ripoff. Nobody really had anything against him. He just didn't have a whole lot to offer. Guess it's good that he did better elsewhere. All in all he looked pretty good in the video I just saw. I suppose he's just one of the thousands of people who drop dead of a surprise heart attack and it's not wrestling related at all, or it's further evidence that coke and steroids are a really bad combination. Don't know anything about the guy's personal life, but since he started down here it's almost a foregone conclusion.

Anyway, here ya go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qoRfmcZY8
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Syzzle on April 09, 2014, 08:47:33 AM
RIP Warrior :(

Word going around is that he died of natural causes which would surprise me if that were the case.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: KevShmev on April 09, 2014, 09:05:22 AM
I was never much of a fan of his - I think I rooted against him in every major feud he had (Rude, Savage, etc.) - but there is no denying the guy had one of the best entrances ever: nothing fancy or choreographed, just him running to the ring at 100 MPH with that music playing.  It was easy to see why he was so over with the fans during his peak (1988-1990), even if I personally wasn't a fan.  Should be interesting to see what is said about him in the coming days by people in the industry since he was not well-liked at all, partly for being a bad and difficult worker back in the day, and partly for the way he spent decades trashing the industry.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: El Barto on April 09, 2014, 09:26:25 AM
I was unaware that he was unliked or that there was animosity until you mentioned it. Based on the WikiP entry it does seem that WWE brought a fair amount of it on itself. Selling a DVD titled "The Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior" after he resigns from your promotion isn't exactly a tactful move.  :lol  Furthermore, suing him over the image and IP of the Warrior schtick wasn't real cool either, since he was clearly doing most of it back here in Dallas.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: KevShmev on April 09, 2014, 09:37:59 AM
Well, look up petty in the dictionary and you'll see a picture of Vince McMahon. :lol :lol

In fact, I think that is a big reason why Bret Hart sucked it up and buried the hatchet with Vince, as there was talk that Vince was gonna do something similar with Hart and a new DVD.  Deep down, I would bet money that Bret still hates Vince's guts, and every time they trot him out for an event, like when he was there the other night, you know Bret is thinking, "I can't believe I have to do this shit." Granted, he probably gets a nice paycheck for the window dressing, but still, it has to be pretty galling.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: El Barto on April 09, 2014, 10:03:44 AM
To be honest I don't even know who Bret Hart is (there used to be a manager named Hart--bald guy, but I'm assuming that's not him). The only reason I know the Warrior is because he was the Dingo first, and that was in Dallas back when I watched wrestling. I do know who McMahon is, and he certainly seems like one of the world's leading assholes.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: jingle.boy on April 09, 2014, 10:18:25 AM
To be honest I don't even know who Bret Hart is (there used to be a manager named Hart--bald guy, but I'm assuming that's not him). The only reason I know the Warrior is because he was the Dingo first, and that was in Dallas back when I watched wrestling. I do know who McMahon is, and he certainly seems like one of the world's leading assholes.

Guess you never watched the WWF in the 90s?  He was probably their biggest name for that decade, behind the Undertaker and Michaels.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: El Barto on April 09, 2014, 10:28:49 AM
Hated WWF, and probably the biggest reason I blew off wrestling altogether. That's what changed it from blood and guts to soap opera stories with the occasional match thrown in. WCCW was dark and spooky. Those guys would turn up dead in hotel rooms or get stabbed in lockerrooms. WWF was about as dark and shady as GLOW (except without the T&A to make it worth watching).
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Marion Crane on April 09, 2014, 10:59:08 AM
SO saddened by this news.  Here is his final speech from RAW on Monday.  The guy basically gave his own eulogy....

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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Jaq on April 09, 2014, 12:32:25 PM
I started watching wrestling around the time Warrior was blowing up, and the first Mania I caught was WMVI, and everyone there was tired of Hulk Hogan and was pulling for the Warrior to win. When he got the pin the room I was in exploded. Memorable start to my watching of pro wrestling. Had some amazing matches with Rick Rude and Randy Savage (and Warrior seemed inspired when he worked with those two because if you watch them, it wasn't the classic broomstick carry, he would bust out moves you couldn't believe he KNEW against those two) and wow, that entrance was simplicity itself, and yes, blew him up for early parts of matches, but it jacked the crowd up every time.

To this day I can watch where he won the IC title from Honky Tonk Man and laugh my ass off at it. Hard to believe he died so soon after being on TV.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 09, 2014, 12:34:00 PM
It's too bad that he died, but honestly, I never saw the appeal, or the wrestling talent.  He certainly milked what he had, though.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: jingle.boy on April 09, 2014, 01:04:10 PM
Trivia time ... Who remembers this from '85/'86?  Anyone else remember what they were called?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/Delvie/CrusadeForum/Sting/sting2.jpg)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: TAC on April 09, 2014, 01:05:48 PM
Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 09, 2014, 01:16:08 PM
Trivia time ... Who remembers this from '85/'86?  Anyone else remember what they were called?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/Delvie/CrusadeForum/Sting/sting2.jpg)

Blade runners, with a young Steve borden.

I loved the Ultimate Warrior as a kid. The energy and charisma he carried always blew my mind.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Zook on April 09, 2014, 01:30:07 PM
I started watching wrestling around '98 so my only memory of warrior was the hilariously bad time he returned to WCW to haunt Hollywood Hogan. I had no clue who the guy was, but that whole thing was retarded to me, even as a kid.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 09, 2014, 01:44:54 PM
Trivia time ... Who remembers this from '85/'86?  Anyone else remember what they were called?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/Delvie/CrusadeForum/Sting/sting2.jpg)
I remember that.  They were in Mid-South Wrestling.  What a great territory that was.  It also featured (at various times) The Rock N Roll Express, The Midnight Express, The Fantastics, and The Fabulous Ones.  Fantastic time and place for tag-team wrestling. 

However, I would imagine that both Sting and the Warrior were better served for the Blade Runners splitting up.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Dimitrius on April 09, 2014, 03:42:45 PM
Blade Runner Rock and Blade Runner Flash.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: masterthes on April 09, 2014, 04:27:08 PM
WMVI was one of my favorite WWF moments growing up. The Warrior was pretty much the only guy I liked better than Hulk until Taker came up. RIP Warrior, you crazy bastard  :metal
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: jjrock88 on April 09, 2014, 04:34:51 PM
I've actually been watching the Ultimate Warrior DVD the last week.  He was more than capable of having a good match when he had the right opponent.  The match with Hogan at WM is amazing.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: jingle.boy on April 09, 2014, 08:08:33 PM
Ok all you smarty pants... what stable/faction were Helwig and Borden part of before they broke out and called themselves the Blade Runners?  No googling allowed.

And I concur with Jay... that WMVI match is one of the best ever.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Dimitrius on April 09, 2014, 08:19:32 PM
Something USA.

Powerlifting? Powerteam?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: jingle.boy on April 09, 2014, 08:47:20 PM
Something USA.

Powerlifting? Powerteam?

Atta boy.  Powerteam USA for the win.

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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: abydos on April 10, 2014, 11:39:50 AM
So why did they decide to end the streak? Any ideas? It makes no sense to me, especially by Brock Lesner. Seems like this should have been done by someone iconic - maybe a return of Steve Austin, the Rock, Kane, or anyone that he's had a big feud over the years. BL has been in and out of WWE a few times iirc? Doesn't enhance his career or anything. It all looks like a wasted opportunity, not that it should have been done in the first place.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 10, 2014, 11:45:37 AM
So why did they decide to end the streak? Any ideas? It makes no sense to me, especially by Brock Lesner. Seems like this should have been done by someone iconic - maybe a return of Steve Austin, the Rock, Kane, or anyone that he's had a big feud over the years. BL has been in and out of WWE a few times iirc? Doesn't enhance his career or anything. It all looks like a wasted opportunity, not that it should have been done in the first place.

It's possible Brock just happened to be the guy who was wrestling Taker on the year he/they chose for him to lose. For all we know, the outcome was decided after the match was booked.
Brock is definitely one of the most believable guys to defeat The Undertaker, so I don't have a problem with that, although he is a bit of a part timer right now, and doesn't seem to have as much respect for WWE or The Undertaker's legacy as someone else would have, and the build-up and match weren't really worthy of the loss. That does bother me.
I would definitely not have wanted The Rock or Kane to end the streak though. Kane has been terrible for years, so nobody would have been happier with that situation, and The Rock is a part timer, so I don't think he deserves it either.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2014, 12:01:05 PM
Word is that 'Taker wanted Lesnar to end the streak years ago, and since they are good friends apparently, it was probably an easy decision for him to decide to let Lesnar end it. 

Some have said it should have been to an up-and-comer, but I disagree.  Sure, it would give a major rub to a possible future star, but what if that guy flames out and never becomes a top star?  Then the streak was ended by someone who turned out to not be all that great.  It had to end at the hands of someone who is already a top guy, and while Lesnar might be a part-timer, he fits the bill.  The other top guy it could have gone to is Cena, but he is already hated by tons of people, and if it had been him to end the streak, my gosh, the backlash would have been unreal.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 10, 2014, 12:14:39 PM
I would be quite surprised if the Undertaker and Lesnar are, at least, decent friends.  I wouldn't think that Undertaker would like guys that was given everything the business had to offer him and he left in a manner that Lesnar did back in 2004.

The other top guy it could have gone to is Cena, but he is already hated by tons of people, and if it had been him to end the streak, my gosh, the backlash would have been unreal.

That would have be a good opportunity to really legitimately turn Cena heel.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 10, 2014, 12:36:19 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that there was major heat between them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zjHtxPew5Os#t=44

That doesn't look like friends to me.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: abydos on April 10, 2014, 12:57:02 PM
I think I read before that Brock didn't really like losing to Taker some years ago when they had some match so maybe they weren't the best of pals back then, no idea what's up now. As I've said before, I haven't really kept up with the scene, just check out the occasional Taker WM match and that's about it.

I wonder if he has a chance against Brock in an UFC match after few months of training himself.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Zook on April 10, 2014, 01:00:06 PM
Um... What was up with that divas match on Raw? Paige did one move and was able to beat AJ? I'm unfamiliar with Paige, but apparently she's well liked on NXT, but couldn't they have made her title match a little better than that? That was crap.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 10, 2014, 01:03:06 PM
Um... What was up with that divas match on Raw? Paige did one move and was able to beat AJ? I'm unfamiliar with Paige, but apparently she's well liked on NXT, but couldn't they have made her title match a little better than that? That was crap.

Female wrestlers never get up from finishing moves, and it was only a TV match, and apparently that was her finishing move, executed poorly. I couldn't even tell what it was supposed to be, as I've never seen anything else of her.
It was crap.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Syzzle on April 10, 2014, 01:37:37 PM
Yeah Paige was terrible they should put the title on someone who can actually wrestle like Natalya or Tamina.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 10, 2014, 02:43:48 PM
Yeah Paige was terrible they should put the title on someone who can actually wrestle like Natalya or Tamina.

Do what? Paige is incredible. You should probably actually watch one of her "full" matches before passing judgment on her.

Here's a clip from a recent match......   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYAtvX48xZY
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: KevShmev on April 10, 2014, 02:47:01 PM
Okay, do we really care who the divas champion is?  I mean, really? :lol :lol

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that there was major heat between them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zjHtxPew5Os#t=44

That doesn't look like friends to me.

That was part of the work, as they both knew that a Wrestlemania match was a possibility down the line, so they did that to make look like there was real animosity in case the match every came about, which it obviously did.  Those in-the-know have said that they are pals, and Lesnar supposedly rode along with him and Vince when 'Taker was taken to the hospital after the match the other night.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 10, 2014, 02:49:12 PM
Um... What was up with that divas match on Raw? Paige did one move and was able to beat AJ? I'm unfamiliar with Paige, but apparently she's well liked on NXT, but couldn't they have made her title match a little better than that? That was crap.


She is a member of a wrestling family. She's been wrestling her whole life, and is really, really good.

As for the "impromptu" match the other night, here's what I've previously posted:

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I feel like they should have waited on having the actual match. Both ladies had title reigns over 200 days long. They could have played that up and had a title for title match which might have been the biggest Women's Title Match in modern history. But that aside, still very happy for the Champ!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 10, 2014, 02:50:51 PM
Okay, do we really care who the divas champion is?  I mean, really? :lol :lol

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that there was major heat between them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zjHtxPew5Os#t=44

That doesn't look like friends to me.

That was part of the work, as they both knew that a Wrestlemania match was a possibility down the line, so they did that to make look like there was real animosity in case the match every came about, which it obviously did.  Those in-the-know have said that they are pals, and Lesnar supposedly rode along with him and Vince when 'Taker was taken to the hospital after the match the other night.

This exactly. It's very likely that Undertaker hand picked Lesnar to beat him at Wrestlemania. I'm sure Vince was content with the streak never being broken, but this may have been something that the Undertaker insisted on, or at least pushed for.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 10, 2014, 03:16:19 PM
I feel bad for the families of the wrestlers that were slandered last night. Feel bad for DDP who had to sit in on that crap.

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I went on Nancy Grace last night expecting to discuss Warrior the man. Had I known the only topic discussed would be steroids I would not have participated. At the time I was also unaware of the list that was shown to the viewing audience. To imply that all of the wrestlers on that list died from steroids was wrong and for that they owe the families an apology. Again, my only intention was to discuss Warrior the man and share some stories about how dedicated he was to the wrestling business. I am saddened that was not what happened and my thoughts remain with his family.

DDP
Source: DDP Yoga Facebook Page


Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6gv-WOE17s


Here's Cody Rhodes alleged thoughts on it:
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This is what Cody Rhodes had to say

""Why are folks surprised by @NancyGraceHLN ?? She got dumped by a pro-wrestler in the 80s' and started a life quest to be just awful... ...if she was remotely confident in her accusations, she'd interview an active talent, yet she won't do that because she'd have a... ..."Mark Cuban/Skip Bayless" situation, and she would come-off as the ignorant sweathog she actually is." "
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Ħ on April 10, 2014, 03:49:00 PM
Okay, do we really care who the divas champion is?  I mean, really? :lol :lol

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that there was major heat between them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zjHtxPew5Os#t=44

That doesn't look like friends to me.

That was part of the work, as they both knew that a Wrestlemania match was a possibility down the line, so they did that to make look like there was real animosity in case the match every came about, which it obviously did.  Those in-the-know have said that they are pals, and Lesnar supposedly rode along with him and Vince when 'Taker was taken to the hospital after the match the other night.

This exactly. It's very likely that Undertaker hand picked Lesnar to beat him at Wrestlemania. I'm sure Vince was content with the streak never being broken, but this may have been something that the Undertaker insisted on, or at least pushed for.
I'm betting it was 100% Taker's decision. And while I'm not happy that the feud was so bad (WWE's fault) and the match was so bad (circumstance's fault with the concussion), I am happy that Taker lost to someone he chose personally. Actually, it's given me a lot of respect for Taker (the man, not the superstar). I never really thought about it, but he seems like a really humble guy. Does his job, does it well, doesn't brag, and is willing to give his legendary streak over to his friend even though he didn't have to. I was also reading a story about how he stuck up for Bret Hart when Hart got screwed by McMahon.

Seems like one of the most respectable guys in the business. :tup IMO, leagues ahead of Bryan. Lesnar vs Taker should have been the main event (providing that they built up the feud properly).
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Dimitrius on April 10, 2014, 04:50:26 PM
Well, there were rumors that Undertaker picked him to stop the streak back in 2010, so I'm not that surprised.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 10, 2014, 05:26:27 PM
Well, there were rumors that Undertaker picked him to stop the streak back in 2010, so I'm not that surprised.

I've heard this as well.

If it's true, and he voiced his opinion prior to that year's Wrestlemania, Vince be like.... well, you got to work the clique 3 more times before we can have this discussion.   ;D
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Cool Chris on April 11, 2014, 10:02:28 AM
re: Undertaker. If any fellow wrestler has ever said a bad word about him, I've never heard it.

Sting signs with the WWE.

I only have a vague recollection of watching him from the 80s (NWA?) but I never followed WCW so his career pretty much passed me by.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: jingle.boy on April 11, 2014, 10:13:50 AM
Sting signs with the WWE.

I only have a vague recollection of watching him from the 80s (NWA?) but I never followed WCW so his career pretty much passed me by.

You missed so much then.  His early 90s NWA time was amazing.  He picked up the torch when Flair left for WWF in '92, and carried it all the way to and thru the nWO/Monday Night Wars.  Can't say he's done anything notable since WCW folded... gezuz... 13 years ago now!?  Wow.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Syzzle on April 11, 2014, 10:18:07 AM
Referee Chad Patton did not know that The Undertaker would be losing to Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania XXX. He was told Taker was winning but the rule every referee is told is that if the guys don't kick out, you continue the count. Right after the match ended, Lesnar whispered in Taker's ear, "Thank you."

Apparently the decision to end The Streak was finalized on March 31st. Only a few people knew the outcome before WrestleMania Sunday. The group of people that knew were most likely Vince McMahon, Taker, Lesnar, Paul Heyman, Triple H and Stephanie McMahon. None of the agents were aware. The actual script for the show did not have a finish listed but this didn't raise any red flags because that's not unusual for WrestleMania and it wasn't the only match that didn't have a finish listed.

Whether or not The Undertaker is done, Vince was going on the assumption that this was his last match and he could either win or lose. McMahon chose the idea that it's better to lose on your way out. One person close to the situation said Vince talked Taker into losing. Another person, who would also be in the know, described it as Vince making the call and Taker agreeing, and that he wasn’t talked into doing something he didn’t want to do. Losing was not Taker's original decision but he was in on it and never protested the decision. Perhaps, like he thought in 2010, if he was going to lose, maybe he thought Lesnar was the guy to lose to.

There were many people within WWE very unhappy about The Streak ending but couldn't say so publicly.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: KevShmev on April 11, 2014, 11:37:36 AM
Sting signs with the WWE.

I only have a vague recollection of watching him from the 80s (NWA?) but I never followed WCW so his career pretty much passed me by.

You missed so much then.  His early 90s NWA time was amazing.  He picked up the torch when Flair left for WWF in '92, and carried it all the way to and thru the nWO/Monday Night Wars. Can't say he's done anything notable since WCW folded... gezuz... 13 years ago now!?  Wow.

Eh, that is a bit of an overstatement. Sting flopped his first two times as world champ - 1990 after beating Flair, and 1992 after beating a departing Luger - which is why he was never given an extended world title run again (all of his world title runs after that were really short).  Yes, he was a fan favorite, and had some great matches, but he was never really the guy you could look at and say, "That is THE guy who can carry our company."   They thought he was gonna be, which is why they wanted the belt on him in '90, but he flopped so badly that they put the belt back on Flair in early '91, something the powers-that-be didn't want to do again.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 11, 2014, 01:49:03 PM
Referee Chad Patton did not know that The Undertaker would be losing to Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania XXX. He was told Taker was winning but the rule every referee is told is that if the guys don't kick out, you continue the count. Right after the match ended, Lesnar whispered in Taker's ear, "Thank you."

Apparently the decision to end The Streak was finalized on March 31st. Only a few people knew the outcome before WrestleMania Sunday. The group of people that knew were most likely Vince McMahon, Taker, Lesnar, Paul Heyman, Triple H and Stephanie McMahon. None of the agents were aware. The actual script for the show did not have a finish listed but this didn't raise any red flags because that's not unusual for WrestleMania and it wasn't the only match that didn't have a finish listed.

Whether or not The Undertaker is done, Vince was going on the assumption that this was his last match and he could either win or lose. McMahon chose the idea that it's better to lose on your way out. One person close to the situation said Vince talked Taker into losing. Another person, who would also be in the know, described it as Vince making the call and Taker agreeing, and that he wasn’t talked into doing something he didn’t want to do. Losing was not Taker's original decision but he was in on it and never protested the decision. Perhaps, like he thought in 2010, if he was going to lose, maybe he thought Lesnar was the guy to lose to.

There were many people within WWE very unhappy about The Streak ending but couldn't say so publicly.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/468463-who-knew-about-the-streak-ending



Fixed.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 11, 2014, 02:31:26 PM
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 11, 2014, 03:08:57 PM
Sting signs with the WWE.

I only have a vague recollection of watching him from the 80s (NWA?) but I never followed WCW so his career pretty much passed me by.

You missed so much then.  His early 90s NWA time was amazing.  He picked up the torch when Flair left for WWF in '92, and carried it all the way to and thru the nWO/Monday Night Wars. Can't say he's done anything notable since WCW folded... gezuz... 13 years ago now!?  Wow.

Eh, that is a bit of an overstatement. Sting flopped his first two times as world champ - 1990 after beating Flair, and 1992 after beating a departing Luger - which is why he was never given an extended world title run again (all of his world title runs after that were really short).  Yes, he was a fan favorite, and had some great matches, but he was never really the guy you could look at and say, "That is THE guy who can carry our company."   They thought he was gonna be, which is why they wanted the belt on him in '90, but he flopped so badly that they put the belt back on Flair in early '91, something the powers-that-be didn't want to do again.

So who would you say was 'the guy' (title or not) for the NWA/WCW from '92-'96?  Simmons, Vader?  Roma, Shockmaster  :lol?  Flair, Hogan?  Sting was the only Tier 1 name there the whole time.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: jjrock88 on April 11, 2014, 05:47:35 PM
I'm a huge Sting fan.  I'm glad he's signed as he deserves a proper send off.

His 45 time limit draw with Ric at the clash is a classic.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 11, 2014, 06:07:17 PM
He's got a lot of classics.  That final WCW match with Flair was pretty darn good too.  His tag bouts with Luger in the late 80s were great.  There wasn't a single heel in NWA/WCW that he didn't feud with at some point.

Now the WWE can do a proper DVD on his career.
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Post by: jjrock88 on April 11, 2014, 06:37:52 PM
That is the top reason I always wanted Sting to sign with WWE.  For a DVD, hopefully with a documentary.

I would put him number 2 behind the Naitch for my all time favorite.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 11, 2014, 10:39:04 PM
Sting signs with the WWE.

I only have a vague recollection of watching him from the 80s (NWA?) but I never followed WCW so his career pretty much passed me by.

You missed so much then.  His early 90s NWA time was amazing.  He picked up the torch when Flair left for WWF in '92, and carried it all the way to and thru the nWO/Monday Night Wars. Can't say he's done anything notable since WCW folded... gezuz... 13 years ago now!?  Wow.

Eh, that is a bit of an overstatement. Sting flopped his first two times as world champ - 1990 after beating Flair, and 1992 after beating a departing Luger - which is why he was never given an extended world title run again (all of his world title runs after that were really short).  Yes, he was a fan favorite, and had some great matches, but he was never really the guy you could look at and say, "That is THE guy who can carry our company."   They thought he was gonna be, which is why they wanted the belt on him in '90, but he flopped so badly that they put the belt back on Flair in early '91, something the powers-that-be didn't want to do again.

So who would you say was 'the guy' (title or not) for the NWA/WCW from '92-'96?  Simmons, Vader?  Roma, Shockmaster  :lol?  Flair, Hogan?  Sting was the only Tier 1 name there the whole time.

There really wasn't someone you would call THE guy in WCW during that time period, although Hogan was the man once he got there.  Sure, Sting was always in the mix, but like I said before, his two flops as champ is why he never got an extended title reign again; he simply wasn't the draw they thought he'd be as the main event guy.  Even during the whole nWo thing, his mystique being that he didn't wrestle for a long time is why he was so highly touted, and even then, he never really got over on Hogan and the nWo.  They expected Sting to dominate the 90s in WCW like Flair did the 80s in the NWA, but he fell way short.  I wouldn't even call him one of the top 5 wrestling stars of the 90s. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Jaq on April 11, 2014, 11:59:04 PM
Absolutely nothing you said about Sting, though, was his fault.

Speaking as a guy who lived in an old NWA territory, Sting was always over, was hugely popular (especially with kids), but always ran into the problem that he was booked, basically, into the grave. His first reign? No one could have drawn with Ole Anderson going with the Black Scorpion crap because it was cheaper to bring in a different jobber every night to wrestle him. Second reign? Bill Watts took over a couple of months into it and decided to put the belt on Ron Simmons, rather than have Sting chase Vader. It's worth noting that, really until Hulk Hogan showed up, WCW was basically still booked like the old NWA, which tended to give heels the long runs with the belt while the faces got the occasional, feel good victory. Sting's short title reigns until the Nitro era were as much a product of how WCW had always been booked. Sting should have beaten Vader for the belt at Starrcade '93 but by then Bischoff had given the book to Flair, who...promptly booked himself as the babyface champion after Sid Vicious got fired after attacking Arn Anderson. Then Hogan turned up in 1994 and that was it for Sting until the NWO feud, which, of course, they promptly fucked up by having Sting basically lose cleanly in a squash to Hogan, only for Bret Hart to restart the match.

Sting should have been the face of the company. As far as the fans were concerned, he was. It wasn't his fault no one who worked for Turner could book him right.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 12, 2014, 05:13:57 AM

Sting should have been the face of the company. As far as the fans were concerned, he was. It wasn't his fault no one who worked for Turner could book him right.

Agreed.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 12, 2014, 05:27:06 AM

Sting should have been the face of the company. As far as the fans were concerned, he was. It wasn't his fault no one who worked for Turner could book him right.

Agreed.

My sentiments exactly.  And while Hogan may have been the face, he didn't show up until '94, while Flair left in '91.  So at least for those three years, Sting was THE top guy carrying NWA/WCW.  He could've/should've been bigger than he was, but he was still 'the guy' (imo).  Also, Hogan didn't have the kind of impact they were expecting, and wasn't the name/draw he was in WWF.  He could've/should've been bigger than he was, but they booked the shit out of him too.

I was just checking wikipedia, and  Wrestemania matches.... seems like someone's having some fun with the entries.  From Wrestlemania XI

The Allied Powers (Lex Luger and John Cena) defeated The Blu Brothers (Jacob and Eli) (with Uncle Zebekiah)
Jim Neidhart defeated Bob Backlund - "I Quit" match with Sheamus as the special guest referee
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 12, 2014, 05:32:46 AM
Absolutely nothing you said about Sting, though, was his fault.

Speaking as a guy who lived in an old NWA territory, Sting was always over, was hugely popular (especially with kids), but always ran into the problem that he was booked, basically, into the grave. His first reign? No one could have drawn with Ole Anderson going with the Black Scorpion crap because it was cheaper to bring in a different jobber every night to wrestle him. Second reign? Bill Watts took over a couple of months into it and decided to put the belt on Ron Simmons, rather than have Sting chase Vader. It's worth noting that, really until Hulk Hogan showed up, WCW was basically still booked like the old NWA, which tended to give heels the long runs with the belt while the faces got the occasional, feel good victory. Sting's short title reigns until the Nitro era were as much a product of how WCW had always been booked. Sting should have beaten Vader for the belt at Starrcade '93 but by then Bischoff had given the book to Flair, who...promptly booked himself as the babyface champion after Sid Vicious got fired after attacking Arn Anderson. Then Hogan turned up in 1994 and that was it for Sting until the NWO feud, which, of course, they promptly fucked up by having Sting basically lose cleanly in a squash to Hogan, only for Bret Hart to restart the match.

Sting should have been the face of the company. As far as the fans were concerned, he was. It wasn't his fault no one who worked for Turner could book him right.
All of this.  In that organization, the guy pushed as the top face was rarely champ for any length of time, or sometimes even champ at all (see Magnum T.A.).  The storyline revolved around the chase by the hero.  If he accomplished his goal, the chase was over.  So when it happened, he normally wouldn't stay champ for long, so he could start the chase again.

Sure, Flair was champ forever, and deservedly so.  But he was also a heel for 99% of that time.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 12, 2014, 05:54:29 AM
No shit!  Just looking at the wiki entry for the NWA Heavyweight championship, from '83-'91, the number of days held the title:

Ric Flair- 138
Harley Race- 167
Ric Flair - 118
Harley Race - 2
Ric Flair - 44
Kerry Von Erich - 18
Ric Flair - 793
Dusty Rhodes - 14
Ric Flair - 412
Ron Garvin - 62
Ric Flair - 452
Ricky Steamboat - 76
Ric Flair - 426
Sting - 188
Ric Flair - 69
Tatsumi Fujinami - 59
Ric Flair - 112

Sting was never given the booking chance that Flair was (as hef says... deservedly so for Flair) in the 80s.  In 8 years, face's held the title for about 11 months.  Perhaps that was the nature of territorial wrestling... the heel moves from territory to territory, and local guys step up to challenge him, yet never beat him because they don't have the broader appeal/awareness in other territories?

I remember that Garvin victory... what a steel cage match.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 12, 2014, 06:25:03 AM
Dusty only held the belt once in that period?  That can't be right.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 12, 2014, 06:31:53 AM
Dusty only held the belt once in that period?  That can't be right.

It is wiki, so you never know.  There's invariably a lot of week long (or less) title reigns that only a local person would know about.  As I recall, he was always on the chase/hunt as well.  Wasn't he more often in the US Title picture?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 12, 2014, 06:48:30 AM
Dusty only held the belt once in that period?  That can't be right.

It is wiki, so you never know.  There's invariably a lot of week long (or less) title reigns that only a local person would know about.  As I recall, he was always on the chase/hunt as well.  Wasn't he more often in the US Title picture?
No.  I mean, he may have held it a few times, but he was always feuding with Flair and the Horsemen.  Well, and the Russians.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 12, 2014, 07:17:23 AM
Dusty only held the belt once in that period?  That can't be right.

It is wiki, so you never know.  There's invariably a lot of week long (or less) title reigns that only a local person would know about.  As I recall, he was always on the chase/hunt as well.  Wasn't he more often in the US Title picture?
No.  I mean, he may have held it a few times, but he was always feuding with Flair and the Horsemen.  Well, and the Russians.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IoeO5x55q6U/Tp9FogYzowI/AAAAAAAAAQg/NFVM0j12CUU/s400/N-Koloff.png)

Man Dusty (and Magnum until his accident) had a great feud with Koloff (and I don't mean zook  :lol)  I guess because "The Russian Nightmare" was always in the US title scene, I figured that's where Dusty was with all their feuding.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2014, 08:09:31 AM
Absolutely nothing you said about Sting, though, was his fault.

Speaking as a guy who lived in an old NWA territory, Sting was always over, was hugely popular (especially with kids), but always ran into the problem that he was booked, basically, into the grave. His first reign? No one could have drawn with Ole Anderson going with the Black Scorpion crap because it was cheaper to bring in a different jobber every night to wrestle him. Second reign? Bill Watts took over a couple of months into it and decided to put the belt on Ron Simmons, rather than have Sting chase Vader. It's worth noting that, really until Hulk Hogan showed up, WCW was basically still booked like the old NWA, which tended to give heels the long runs with the belt while the faces got the occasional, feel good victory. Sting's short title reigns until the Nitro era were as much a product of how WCW had always been booked. Sting should have beaten Vader for the belt at Starrcade '93 but by then Bischoff had given the book to Flair, who...promptly booked himself as the babyface champion after Sid Vicious got fired after attacking Arn Anderson. Then Hogan turned up in 1994 and that was it for Sting until the NWO feud, which, of course, they promptly fucked up by having Sting basically lose cleanly in a squash to Hogan, only for Bret Hart to restart the match.

Sting should have been the face of the company. As far as the fans were concerned, he was. It wasn't his fault no one who worked for Turner could book him right.

Fair points, but some guys simply look better when chasing the belt than when being the champ, and I think Sting was one of those guys. 

No shit!  Just looking at the wiki entry for the NWA Heavyweight championship, from '83-'91, the number of days held the title:

Ric Flair- 138
Harley Race- 167
Ric Flair - 118
Harley Race - 2
Ric Flair - 44
Kerry Von Erich - 18
Ric Flair - 793
Dusty Rhodes - 14
Ric Flair - 412
Ron Garvin - 62
Ric Flair - 452
Ricky Steamboat - 76
Ric Flair - 426
Sting - 188
Ric Flair - 69
Tatsumi Fujinami - 59
Ric Flair - 112

Sting was never given the booking chance that Flair was (as hef says... deservedly so for Flair) in the 80s.  In 8 years, face's held the title for about 11 months.  Perhaps that was the nature of territorial wrestling... the heel moves from territory to territory, and local guys step up to challenge him, yet never beat him because they don't have the broader appeal/awareness in other territories?

I remember that Garvin victory... what a steel cage match.

I don't think is accurate since Flair was a face for around 9 months of his reign from May 1989-July 1990 (he turned face when Funk attacked him right after winning the belt, and didn't turn heel till he and the Horseman threw Sting out of their group in February of the next year).

I see what you are saying, but that could be more of a fact that Flair was so dominant in the 80s, and he was more of a natural heel than face.
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Post by: masterthes on April 12, 2014, 08:34:09 AM
What kind of Sting you think we might get when he makes his first appearance?
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 12, 2014, 08:36:09 AM
Fair enough... I couldn't remember which specific run(s) Flair was a face.  The net of it is that he was always a heel at some point in his reign... all of his losses are to faces (except when it was heel-on-heel action with Harley).
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Post by: Zook on April 12, 2014, 09:08:44 AM
What kind of Sting you think we might get when he makes his first appearance?

As far as I know, the only time he's changed his gimmick after becoming the "crow" was when he did that stupid Joker thing in TNA, so I'm betting he shows up in the white face paint and trench coat.
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Post by: Jaq on April 12, 2014, 10:54:22 AM

I see what you are saying, but that could be more of a fact that Flair was so dominant in the 80s, and he was more of a natural heel than face.

No, it was how Southern wrestling was booked period. Flair benefited the most from it, but "the face chases the heel" was how you booked wrestling in the south in the 80s. Hell, any promotion with a TV champion put the belt on a heel and had him spend a year holding onto the title by time limit draws. Heel reigns for any title were usually longer by far than corresponding face reigns.

And something worth pointing out about Flair was, once the NWA became centered on Jim Crockett Promotions, he had veto power and full control over his storylines. Hell, you want to know how Ronnie Garvin won the NWA title? Flair wanted to lose it and win the belt back at Starrcade '87. No one in the company but Garvin was stupid enough to go for a reign that, regardless of how well you did as champ, was destined to end at Starrcade. (And people shit on his win so much that he wound up only defending it the once at Starrcade.) Flair's dominance wasn't because of his skill or his ability, it was because he had veto power over his matches. Whether or not he would have worked as a champion, Lex Luger was over enough in 1988 that he should have been given the shot. Instead Flair kept veoting the title changes, and along the way Flair constantly keeping the belt while Dusty Rhodes' friends held all the secondary titles bankrupted Crockett.

Flair's dominance was a combination of the way things were and his veto power. Flair was nowhere near the draw people think he was, especially in the late 80s. And really, drawing power is why you're a champion.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2014, 11:45:17 AM
Well, you'll never see me defend Flair's locker room shenanigans.  I still laugh at how he ripped Bret Hart for the Montreal screwjob, when he himself refused to put Luger over in 1990 after Sting blew his knee out, and then again in 1991 before he left.  Flair is by all accounts a POS and it always makes me laugh how some defend him to death simply because he was such a good entertainer. 
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 12, 2014, 04:06:50 PM
Flair the personality.... godlike; Richard Fliehr... 10 pounds of douche in a 5 pound bag.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: KevShmev on April 13, 2014, 08:37:40 AM
Pretty much, yeah. :lol

Also, going back to Jaq's post, why was Ronnie Garvin stupid?  He is a guy who never would have been world champ otherwise, and definitely wasn't main event material, so why not take the opportunity to be the world champ at least once?  Sure, his reign was gonna be super short no matter what, but he guaranteed both a world title and main eventing the NWA's biggest PPV of the year on his resume; not a bad deal, if you ask me.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 13, 2014, 08:51:04 AM
Oh, and...

(http://i.imgur.com/abtfe.gif)

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: Jaq on April 13, 2014, 10:17:56 AM
Pretty much, yeah. :lol

Also, going back to Jaq's post, why was Ronnie Garvin stupid?  He is a guy who never would have been world champ otherwise, and definitely wasn't main event material, so why not take the opportunity to be the world champ at least once?  Sure, his reign was gonna be super short no matter what, but he guaranteed both a world title and main eventing the NWA's biggest PPV of the year on his resume; not a bad deal, if you ask me.

Mainly because it made him a locker room laughing stock. There's a reason why Garvin was in opening matches on WWF shows against Greg Valentine within a year; he was dead in the water in the NWA after that debacle. Sure he had a reign on his resume, but everyone in the business knew he got it not because he deserved it, or was thought to be a big draw, but because Ric Flair wanted to win at Starrcade. That's the kind of choice that kills careers, and it pretty well killed Garvin's right there.
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 14, 2014, 10:52:01 AM
Everything that happens behind the scenes

Remember the good ol' days when we as fans didn't know all this stuff?
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Post by: KevShmev on April 14, 2014, 10:56:59 AM
Pretty much, yeah. :lol

Also, going back to Jaq's post, why was Ronnie Garvin stupid?  He is a guy who never would have been world champ otherwise, and definitely wasn't main event material, so why not take the opportunity to be the world champ at least once?  Sure, his reign was gonna be super short no matter what, but he guaranteed both a world title and main eventing the NWA's biggest PPV of the year on his resume; not a bad deal, if you ask me.

Mainly because it made him a locker room laughing stock. There's a reason why Garvin was in opening matches on WWF shows against Greg Valentine within a year; he was dead in the water in the NWA after that debacle. Sure he had a reign on his resume, but everyone in the business knew he got it not because he deserved it, or was thought to be a big draw, but because Ric Flair wanted to win at Starrcade. That's the kind of choice that kills careers, and it pretty well killed Garvin's right there.

I suppose, but Garvin was never really a main event guy, so that at least gave him a short time at the top.  And the Valentine feud in the WWF was a really good mid-card feud, so I don't think that was a detriment to him or anything.  I looked as his lack of a real push in the WWF as Vince's way of saying, "A guy good enough to be the NWA champion by beating Ric Flair isn't good enough to be more than a mid-carder here in the WWF."  Not that he deserved a main event push, but Vince routinely did that with NWA stars he signed.  Look at how he turned Dusty Rhodes into a polka dot-wearing buffoon (although I never liked Dusty Rhodes, so I was fine with that :lol). 
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Post by: Syzzle on April 17, 2014, 11:24:32 AM
- Dean Ambrose is currently 10 days away from having the longest WWE United States Title reign since it became a WWE title. Ambrose is currently at 333 days and MVP has the longest reign with 343 days.

 He defended it like 2 times?

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 17, 2014, 11:28:24 AM
Not his fault that creative can't do anything to make the secondary titles mean something.
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Post by: Zook on April 17, 2014, 11:32:11 AM
Hey just like the old days. I just watched CM Punk's promo where he talked about how Bruno Sanwhatever only defended the title like once a year and had a title reign of several years. I miss Punk's pipe bombs/promos.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 22, 2014, 11:25:47 AM
Er, someone should tell those bonehead writers that Kane putting his mask back on isn't gonna make most forget that he has been a glorified jobber for years now.  And yet he will be Bryan's first PPV defense as champion?  Good grief. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

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Post by: BlobVanDam on April 22, 2014, 11:33:28 AM
Yeah, you definitely can't just pull that one overnight, and expect people to buy it, even taking into a account a few good tombstones on RAW. Doesn't make a difference.
Kane hasn't been a serious contender for the belt since...... well, ever. He was only involved in the title scene while he was still coasting on Undertaker's gimmick and heat. What a letdown for Bryan's first PPV title defense.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 22, 2014, 11:37:58 AM
And you can bet your bottom dollar that the Evolution vs Shield match will be the main event.  Isn't amazing how HHH, despite not even being a full-time wrestler anymore, always throws himself into the biggest and hottest story? 
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 22, 2014, 12:06:10 PM
I never understood the appeal to Kane (assuming their was one?) in any of his incarnations.

Found this amusing on wikipedia:

Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Worst Feud of the Year (2002) vs. Triple H
Worst Feud of the Year (2003) vs. Shane McMahon
Worst Feud of the Year (2004) vs. Matt Hardy and Lita
Worst Feud of the Year (2007) vs. Big Daddy V
Worst Feud of the Year (2008) vs. Rey Mysterio
Worst Feud of the Year (2010) vs. Edge
Worst Feud of the Year (2012) vs. John Cena
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Post by: abydos on April 22, 2014, 12:20:15 PM
Kane was amazing when he first came into the scene, imo and his Big Red Machine thing. All throughout his feud with The Undertaker and then both of them partnering up. They've really fucked him up after that, losing to some stupid matches up to making him the class clown of sorts.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 22, 2014, 02:38:28 PM
Kane's been a glorified jobber for years? Alright.... I've seen it all.
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Post by: Zook on April 22, 2014, 02:40:27 PM
Kane died after the Katie Vick incident. I'll alway hold out hope that someday he'll bulk up and kick ass again though. They can do a storyline where he slowly goes mad and starts wandering the boiler room again, and actually becomes the big red machine again... and a threat to someone other than Santino.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 22, 2014, 02:50:13 PM
Kane died after the Katie Vick incident. I'll alway hold out hope that someday he'll bulk up and kick ass again though. They can do a storyline where he slowly goes mad and starts wandering the boiler room again, and actually becomes the big red machine again... and a threat to someone other than Santino.

I guess you missed his World Title reign, Tag Team Title Reign and MITB win, all occurring after the "Katie Vick incident". 
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Post by: Zook on April 22, 2014, 03:00:20 PM
Actually yeah, but title reigns don't stop a wreslter from sucking.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 22, 2014, 03:02:39 PM
Actually yeah, but title reigns don't stop a wreslter from sucking.

You think he sucks?  Wow... guess there's no point in even debating this.
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Post by: Zook on April 22, 2014, 03:09:54 PM
Kane was my favorite wrestler for a long time. After he changed his mask to the open mouth one, things went down hill. Then Katie Vick, then the mask off, then I didn't like him anymore. I tried. Team Hell No was amusing, but it just wasn't the same. I don't mind funny Kane, that epic skit with he, Rock and Hogan was hilarious.
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Post by: Syzzle on April 22, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHpd1jBWuH0

Yeah this is how you do funny Kane while still making him bad ass.
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Post by: jjrock88 on April 22, 2014, 05:52:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHpd1jBWuH0

Yeah this is how you do funny Kane while still making him bad ass.

great promo
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 22, 2014, 05:56:30 PM
That was a classic promo for sure.


You want to talk about one of the most underrated promo cutters in the business? This promo still holds up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6czHP6rzmkA

And his promos cut as Corporate Kane.... perfect for what was needed. 
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Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2014, 09:30:30 AM
Kane's been a glorified jobber for years? Alright.... I've seen it all.

Since I started watching again, five years ago, he has been. 



I guess you missed his World Title reign, Tag Team Title Reign and MITB win, all occurring after the "Katie Vick incident".

I think it goes without saying that the WWE has devalued their titles so much over the years that pointing to specific title reigns is probably not the best case to convince anyone that someone was good. The only notable thing Kane has done in the last few years was Team Hell No, and even that was more about Daniel Bryan, who had just gotten major over with the crowd, than him.  That struck me as "We don't have anything else to do with Kane right now, so we'll stick him in a tag team with one of our most over guys."  Once they broke up, Kane went back to being nothing until they dragged him into this corporate/authority storyline.

They appear to be making some effort to making their titles worth something again, hence the new emphasis on the Intercontinental title again, and finally going back to having only one world champion, but we'll see how long that lasts. 
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 23, 2014, 01:56:10 PM
Agree to disagree I suppose. Jobbers don't get World Titles, no matter how "devalued" they are, as least in my opinion.

And while DB was extremely over before Team Hell No even started, Kane definitely held up his end of the bargain, both in the ring and in the promos.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 23, 2014, 09:47:51 PM
Jack Swagger was given a world title run, albeit a brief one, a few years ago.  I rest my case. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on April 23, 2014, 10:14:02 PM
Yeah, having the title alone doesn't validate a wrestler's cred. It's one step in establishing it, but there have been many people over the years who held the title that I don't rank as being great.
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Post by: Jaffa on April 23, 2014, 11:52:56 PM
I don't think winning a title makes a wrestler great, but I do think winning a title elevates a wrestler beyond jobber status. 
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 24, 2014, 03:29:43 AM
I don't think winning a title makes a wrestler great, but I do think winning a title elevates a wrestler beyond jobber status.

BINGO!


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Post by: ozzy554 on April 24, 2014, 07:28:55 AM
Kane was my favorite wrestler for a long time. After he changed his mask to the open mouth one, things went down hill. Then Katie Vick, then the mask off, then I didn't like him anymore. I tried. Team Hell No was amusing, but it just wasn't the same. I don't mind funny Kane, that epic skit with he, Rock and Hogan was hilarious.

It's what wwe has done for a long time. Build up great characters and then either completely screw them up, or move them to the back burner and make them jobbers or mainly wrestle in dark matches
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Post by: Jaq on April 24, 2014, 07:45:21 AM
The thing I have to say about Kane is that Glen Jacobs is a consummate pro. Everything they've given him, no matter how godawful, he goes out and sells to the best of his ability, 110%. Admittedly sometimes that hurts him-see Katie Vick-but he just goes out and does his job. And based on the few times they've let him be funny (which I suspect is pretty close to the actual Glen Jacobs) he hits it out of the park. But him being Bryan's first PPV defense while HHH and his friends get the real main event? That's bullshit booking. Doesn't even get a PPV rematch of the Mania match, which is usually a given in WWE Booking 101. Just Kane.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 24, 2014, 08:18:25 AM
I don't think winning a title makes a wrestler great, but I do think winning a title elevates a wrestler beyond jobber status.

Okay, then I'll change it to jobber to the stars.  Aside from his win over Punk on RAW last year before Wrestlemania, thanks to Undertaker's distraction that helped build towards the Punk/Undertaker WM match, I can't remember him having a single significant win over a top guy since I started watching again.  I remember the LOL-worthy "embrace the hate" feud with Cena before the first Rock/Cena match. 
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Post by: Jaffa on April 28, 2014, 11:26:55 PM
I'm really interested in seeing where this Cena/Wyatt program goes. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on April 29, 2014, 01:57:33 AM
I'm expecting Wyatt to win this rematch, and it feels like they're setting up Cena to turn heel. At least I hope so, or else he's just being mopey for nothing. :lol I might even half like him if he turned heel!

I'm still not a fan of the Kane/Bryan thing. Are we supposed to believe that the mask magically turns Kane into a legitimate threat? I don't mind them doing classic early Kane stuff, but I'm not buying the sudden turn from jobber to title match contender.
I don't like whats-her-face coming out with Bryan either. Just because they're married, doesn't mean I want her tagging along all the time. I don't think they're capitalizing on Bryan's Wrestlemania win at all yet, and I hope it doesn't bring him down before he's had a chance to wrestle against someone good.

I like what's happening with Cesaro, Heyman, and RVD recently. RVD needs a good storyline.

They've built up the Shield/Evolution rivalry well since Wrestlemania, so I'm excited for that match. I've never liked Flair, so I was disappointed to see him brought into the story.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 29, 2014, 03:31:35 AM
I don't even know what to think about Kane at this point, but I do know that Corporate Kane was a travesty. I'd rather have Isaac Yankem over corporate Kane.

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/174/170/Isaacyankem_display_image.jpg?1268343523)
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Post by: KevShmev on April 29, 2014, 08:36:50 AM
That Kane segment was beyond awful.  Trying to drag someone down into a hole?  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  That is so cheesy and not believable, it's actually insulting to the audience.  Is this really the best they can do with Daniel Bryan right after he wins the belt??

And Flair was pretty hammered in that segment at the end.  I got the impression that there was supposed to be more to it, but he was so tanked that he abruptly cut it short and left the ring.
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Post by: ozzy554 on April 29, 2014, 08:59:23 AM
That Kane segment was beyond awful.  Trying to drag someone down into a hole?  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  That is so cheesy and not believable, it's actually insulting to the audience.  Is this really the best they can do with Daniel Bryan right after he wins the belt??

And Flair was pretty hammered in that segment at the end.  I got the impression that there was supposed to be more to it, but he was so tanked that he abruptly cut it short and left the ring.

Also that ring gag is overused, kane has even done it before I believe.
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Post by: Zook on April 29, 2014, 09:36:33 AM
Why was he trying to drag her into Hornswoggle's house anyway?

Also, that promo with Hugh Jackman was dreadful. Did they even rehearse? Do they rehearse with celebrities, cause if not, they should. Their improv is terrible.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on April 29, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
Why was he trying to drag her into Hornswoggle's house anyway?

Also, that promo with Hugh Jackman was dreadful. Did they even rehearse? Do they rehearse with celebrities, cause if not, they should. Their improv is terrible.

Jericho recently did a podcast with William Shatner, who was a special guest on a mid '90s episode of RAW to promote TekWar (lol), where he did a terrible monkey flip on Lawler, and he said they rehearsed that.

So I think they would do a quick rehearsal probably that day for the wrestling move (the hip toss in this case), but the rest it doesn't seem so. It seemed mostly guided by the wrestlers with a few remarks from Jackman. I doubt a celebrity would put a lot of time into a one-off promotional appearance like that.

I wouldn't want a celebrity doing a random wrestling move on a wrestler without knowing what they're doing. Actually, I don't want to see celebrities doing moves to wrestlers at all. :lol It has never made wrestling look good.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 29, 2014, 02:20:07 PM
I think that Kane is the perfect choice for Daniel Bryan to feud with, given the circumstances. I mean, they have a long, well documented history that lacks that payoff match. And let's be honest.... the Title match at Extreme Rules was probably originally going to be Batista defending against Orton. Thankfully, that's not the case. And even as things played out the way they did, Bryan would most likely be facing off against Batista if it weren't for the Shield/Evolution thing. So Kane was the perfect choice, and having him return to his roots is the absolute correct move. Corporate Kane had a fantastic interview a couple of months ago where he explained that he could put on the mask whenever he wanted (in a way that made perfect sense). On top of that, I don't understand why Kane doesn't get more credit for being one of the best big man wrestlers in history. What he does at his size is incredible. That match on Sunday will be fantastic. You heard it here first.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 30, 2014, 11:54:34 PM
Well, Daniel Bryan can pretty much get a fantastic match out of just about anyone - remember he got one out of freaking Ryback last year! - so if the match this weekend is fantastic, that will be because of Bryan's greatness more than anything. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 01, 2014, 12:17:59 AM
He salvaged the Orton/Batista match, he managed to make Bray Wyatt look good (that match was 100% Bryan despite the commentary's attempts to boost Wyatt), I'm sure it will be a good match, but as you said, it will be because of Bryan, not Kane.
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Post by: Syzzle on May 01, 2014, 07:01:04 AM
- It's said that Bill Goldberg definitely has interest in doing a match at WrestleMania 31 if the right deal can be made. He's kept himself in shape, training almost daily, and will be 48 by next year's WrestleMania.


Get it done Triple H this should be his top priority right now.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 01, 2014, 07:12:10 AM
Why??? Why would Goldberg be a top priority?
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 01, 2014, 07:14:26 AM
I think his top priority should be continuing to build up the new talent for the future of the company, not continually relying on the past to sell Wrestlemania.
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 01, 2014, 07:20:12 AM
The last time he was a relevant wrestler was more than a decade ago, most of the people watching the product now don't know him and I doubt the people that do would be like "holy shit!! Goldberg's back!!!!!"
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 01, 2014, 02:50:54 PM
Why??? Why would Goldberg be a top priority?
This, who cares?
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Post by: abydos on May 01, 2014, 02:55:08 PM
Because he was awesome then and all the new ones are shit?
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Post by: Zook on May 01, 2014, 03:41:14 PM
Because he was awesome then and all the new ones are shit?

Troof.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
Yeah, Goldberg was never awesome, even when WCW was hyping his kayfabe streak.  To me, he'll always be the braindead musclehead who ended Bret Hart's career by kicking him in the head.
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Post by: Jaq on May 01, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
Goldberg was a limited wrestler in terms of what he could do, but the man drew thermonuclear heat-that pop when he beat Hogan was earthshaking-and could have been as big a draw as the big names from the WWF at the time. But I have no interest in seeing him now. I guess the appeal is he's one of the big names from the hottest period wrestling ever had and likely ever will have?
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2014, 04:46:33 PM
Kane is a glorified jobber.

Bray Wyatt is a bad wrestler.

Goldberg is awesome and all the new wrestlers are shit.

DTF's Pro Wrestling talk never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by: Jaq on May 01, 2014, 04:49:36 PM
Bray Wyatt IS a bad wrestler, though.  :lol
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2014, 04:56:58 PM
Bray Wyatt IS a bad wrestler, though.  :lol

Again, that's an opinion I've only seen on these forums. It completely baffles me.
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Post by: Jaffa on May 01, 2014, 05:07:12 PM
I don't think Bray Wyatt is a bad wrestler, but I do think he is highly overrated on other parts of the internet.

Pretty sure I've mentioned that before, but there it is again.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2014, 05:15:33 PM
I don't think Bray Wyatt is a bad wrestler, but I do think he is highly overrated on other parts of the internet.

Pretty sure I've mentioned that before, but there it is again.

I guess I'm fortunate to call many wrestlers (no one famous) friends (offline).
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Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2014, 06:02:19 PM
Rotunda has been given an interesting and unusual character in Bray Wyatt, and he is doing a great job with it, but he is not a good wrestler in the technical sense of the word.  But he doesn't have to be.  His character is all about psychology (mentally) and brute force (physically). 

Also, getting back to the great matches thing, Daniel Bryan is to the 10s what Shawn Michaels was to the 00s, Bret Hart was to the 90s, and Ric Flair was to the 80s: put him in the ring with just about anyone and it'll be, at worst, a really good match.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2014, 06:19:25 PM
Rotunda has been given an interesting and unusual character in Bray Wyatt, and he is doing a great job with it, but he is not a good wrestler in the technical sense of the word.  But he doesn't have to be.  His character is all about psychology (mentally) and brute force (physically). 

Also, getting back to the great matches thing, Daniel Bryan is to the 10s what Shawn Michaels was to the 00s, Bret Hart was to the 90s, and Ric Flair was to the 80s: put him in the ring with just about anyone and it'll be, at worst, a really good match.

Daniel Bryan is absolutely incredible, and is virtually incapable of having a bad match. Couldn't be happier for the guy.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2014, 06:32:47 PM
I just hope they don't make him dumb his move set down, ala Cena and his five moves of doom or whatever :lol, just because certain moves (the repeated kicks to the chest before ending it with a kick to the head, for example) get the loudest pops from the crowd.  He has a massive array of moves and he should be allowed to utilize it as much as possible. 
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Post by: Zook on May 01, 2014, 08:11:33 PM
Cena has actually been doing a few new moves as of late. It makes me smile every time he busts out the hurricanrana. He's not good at it, but he has gotten better.

As far as Goldberg ending Hart's career: anyone could have done that. Accidents happen, and Goldberg has gone on record as saying he regrets what happened every day. I'd love to see Goldberg back for one more match. He was my favorite wrestler back in the day, and they misused him in WWE. Plus his last match was terrible.
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Post by: abydos on May 01, 2014, 08:18:04 PM
I saw that particular kick, it didn't seem that hard and I can't see how it's all his fault, isn't the guy getting the kick supposed to be in control of that situation and go down? Anyway I've seen much tougher kicks to the head in MMA, why was this so damaging?
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 01, 2014, 10:40:07 PM
He concussed Bret Hart which led to him developing post-concussion syndrome and making him retire.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 03, 2014, 07:50:40 AM
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10288724_501137773348951_356329895797106157_n.jpg)
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 03, 2014, 07:51:49 AM
The sad part is how many more wrestlers they could have added to that list. :lol
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 05, 2014, 07:37:10 AM
Another solid PPV!

The 3-way match was a great way to kick it off. The way it unfolded was as expected, but there were a lot of great moves from all 3, and once it was down to RVD and Cesaro, it was even better.

The Shield vs. Evolution match was another strong one. I wasn't sure who was going to win this one, so having the clean win over Batista was a pleasant surprise. I'm sure Batista's comeback is everything he hoped it would be. :lol

The Cena vs Wyatt match wasn't very good, and the result was obvious. Wyatt had to win this one after losing at Wrestlemania. I still cannot figure out what people see in Bray Wyatt at all. Very average match, with a stupidly lame ending.

The women's match was one of the better ones I've seen. There were some big moves that most of the "Divas" wouldn't have pulled off, and it flowed pretty well too.

And the title match mostly sucked. Daniel Bryan deserved better for his first PPV title defense than to be stuck carrying Kane through that stinker. I was at least hoping they'd keep it in the ring so Bryan could wrestle a match around Kane, but instead it was mostly boring weapon hits and cliche spots. They were never fooling anyone into thinking Kane had any chance of winning this. This match didn't help Bryan at all. At least Brie Bella wasn't involved.
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Post by: Marion Crane on May 05, 2014, 01:51:43 PM
I really dug Cena/Wyatt.  It may have been a little long though. 
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 05, 2014, 02:35:52 PM
Loved the Kane/Bryan fight. I mean, it's the main event of Extreme rules, in one of the most personal feuds in recent memory. Was anybody expecting (or even wanting) to see a technical match in the middle of the ring? That would make zero sense psychology wise.

There's a rumor on the internets (lol) that Batista was supposed to be the next guy to face Daniel Bryan, but he turned it down based on everything that has changed since he's returned, which is why we may not be done with Kane and Bryan. As much as I love Kane, and his interactions with Bryan, I would have preferred for it to had ended last night, and let Bryan take someone else on. It would be nice if him and someone like Dolph got a month or two to feud.... it would be amazing.... Ziggler's all but disappeared from the storylines. Hell Bryan and Cesaro for a few months would be hot until Brock decides to grace us at SummerSlam (something I'm not looking forward to seeing, if it happens).


Oh and WEELC was one of the most entertaining matches that I've seen in a long time, and that crowd last night ate it up.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 06, 2014, 01:13:05 AM
Good Raw. I'm more than happy to see the RVD/Cesaro feud continue, and a Battle Royal is always a winner.

The big downer is seeing the Bryan/Kane thing continue. This is burying Bryan. Sliding a stuntman off a car isn't going to convince me that it's still 1998 and that Kane is still a thing. Yawn.

Anyone else catch HHH calling out the move at the end? :lol
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 06, 2014, 03:26:00 AM
Good Raw. I'm more than happy to see the RVD/Cesaro feud continue, and a Battle Royal is always a winner.

The big downer is seeing the Bryan/Kane thing continue. This is burying Bryan. Sliding a stuntman off a car isn't going to convince me that it's still 1998 and that Kane is still a thing. Yawn.

Anyone else catch HHH calling out the move at the end? :lol

Let's not go overboard.... this is not burying Bryan in any way.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 06, 2014, 11:52:23 AM
It's not burying him, but it's not making him look strong at all either.  Him suddenly having his real life shrieking wife next to him this much isn't helping either.  They need to keep Brie away from Bryan on camera. 

Honestly though, they are probably stuck as to what to do with Bryan at the moment.  If Batista really did refuse to do a one-on-one match with him at the next PPV, who else is there?

-Orton, but Orton/Bryan was just a PPV main event like three or four times last year, so they probably don't want to go that route again this soon.
-HHH, but like he is really good job to Bryan twice. 
-Lesnar - too soon.
-Cesaro - too soon, as they need to slowly build him up as a legit top guy, and having him losing this early to the world champ would majorly stunt his progress.

I guess they could have turned Sheamus and had him feud with Bryan - he is better as a heel anyway - but I suspect that will be Bryan's early summer feud.

Either way, the whole Kane thing is just stupid.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 06, 2014, 12:13:35 PM
I don't follow closely, but how is Ziggler not in the equation?  Doesn't he have the MITB briefcase?  If there isn't anyone else, the WWE has no one to blame but themselves for continually putting their main event chips into the stars of the Attitude era.  They clearly haven't done enough to elevate the younger talent so there is an inventory of main event stars.  They missed the '10-'12 years to create that crop... of the names you mention Kev, 3 (+ Bautista) were built to main event status in the mid-00s, and Cesaro is only just being built up within the last 12 months.

:yawn:
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Post by: KevShmev on May 06, 2014, 12:16:24 PM
I don't follow that closely either, quite honestly, but the lack of push given to Ziggler in the last year is more than just a bit puzzling. 
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Post by: Marion Crane on May 06, 2014, 01:00:21 PM
I don't follow closely, but how is Ziggler not in the equation?  Doesn't he have the MITB briefcase?  If there isn't anyone else, the WWE has no one to blame but themselves for continually putting their main event chips into the stars of the Attitude era.  They clearly haven't done enough to elevate the younger talent so there is an inventory of main event stars.  They missed the '10-'12 years to create that crop... of the names you mention Kev, 3 (+ Bautista) were built to main event status in the mid-00s, and Cesaro is only just being built up within the last 12 months.

:yawn:

Ziggler hasn't had the briefcase for over a year now. 
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 06, 2014, 01:43:22 PM
And there you go.... now I remember, he beat Alberto for the title, right?  I remember him getting a huge pop for that.  Shows how close I follow.  Who does have the briefcase?
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 06, 2014, 03:36:59 PM
And there you go.... now I remember, he beat Alberto for the title, right?  I remember him getting a huge pop for that.  Shows how close I follow.  Who does have the briefcase?

Two briefcases were won at Money in the Bank, which was last July. Randy Orton won the "Raw" briefcase, allowing him a shot at the WWE Championship. Damien Sandow won the "Smackdown" briefcase, allowing him a shot at the World Heavyweight Title.

At SummerSlam, Daniel Bryan defeated John Cena to win the WWE Championship. Triple H attacked Bryan, allowing Orton to cash in his briefcase to win the Championship.

At Hell in a Cell, John Cena, in his first match since losing the WWE Championship to Bryan (he needed time off for an arm injury), defeated Alberto Del Rio to win the World Heavyweight Title. The next night on Raw, Sandow cashed in on Cena, who was still "selling" an injury. Despite Sandow attacking Cena before the match, and dominating the match itself, Cena beat Sandow, leaving Sandow with nothing to show for his MitB victory. Since that match, Sandow has been misused, and then seldom used.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 06, 2014, 06:16:09 PM
A MUST SEE VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RAhxhIHdpM
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Post by: Dimitrius on May 06, 2014, 07:43:29 PM
It was retarded how scared Bryan was of the same guy he just beat down, brought back to ring in a forklift and pinned for the win just 24 hours before.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 06, 2014, 07:55:02 PM
It was retarded how scared Bryan was of the same guy he just beat down, brought back to ring in a forklift and pinned for the win just 24 hours before.

Yeah, considering all that DB's been through and everyone who he has stood up to as of late (including Kane at Extreme Rules), he shouldn't be showing an ounce of fear. Concern for his wife, I get that, but not fear.
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Post by: Zook on May 06, 2014, 08:42:29 PM
I am by no means an actor, and probably wouldn't be a good one, but if I was being paid a good chunk of change like these entertainers, I'd at least make an attempt to try. Brie Bella needs to be taken off TV.

Also, being eliminated by Santino means your career is pretty much over. Ziggler is at Zack Ryder status now.
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Post by: Jaq on May 07, 2014, 08:25:45 AM
Poor Dolph. He had the temerity to get iover huge with the crowds when he was a heel, and no one who does that shit gets spared the wrath of Vince for not playing along.

It amazes me how many guys get flat out buried because they manage to draw heat on their own. You'd think you'd want that, sure as shit worked back in the Attitude era, but today? Nope.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 14, 2014, 12:29:33 PM
No chatter about Daniel's Bryan's injury, eh?

The timing of it is absolutely horrible, and I fear that it could be the end of the reckless guy we see in the ring.  I mean, his wrestling at neck break speed is probably why he has that injury in the first place  - doing that flying headbutt off the top rope and that missile dropkick (imagine falling five feet on your back every time you do that) probably contributed mightily to him getting this injury - and when he comes back, I wouldn't be surprised if he has to tone it down a bit, which could kill his momentum, as his style in the ring is largely why he is so over with fans.  He's a pretty average talker, so his promos had nothing to do with him getting as over as he is.  Should be interesting to see what happens.  If he is back in a few weeks, then okay, but if he's out for close to two months or longer, then I'd start worrying big time.

Honestly, it makes CM Punk's decision to leave the business when he did look that much smarter.  His body took a beating for years, too, although he didn't throw himself around quite as much as Bryan does, and assuming the stories about him having saved his money well are true, he's probably thinking he doesn't need it anymore.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2014, 01:09:45 PM
This is why pre-taped shows suck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMKGm0pgwY&feature=player_embedded#at=143

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

If nothing else, they have good sound engineers. 

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Post by: abydos on May 20, 2014, 01:30:05 PM
At least she's still cute. In an I-want-to-punch-her-face type of way, at least on stage.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2014, 02:17:05 PM
I don't quite get the fascination with her that a lot of male fans have.  Yeah, she has a pretty face, but her boobs are way too big (yes, there is such a thing) and she is too muscular.  Don't get me wrong, a girl in good shape is sexy as hell, but when she is bigger than most of the guys I see at the gym every day...no thanks.
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Post by: Marion Crane on May 20, 2014, 02:51:20 PM
I'd totally let her see me naked
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Post by: Phoenix87x on May 20, 2014, 05:23:04 PM
To all the kids of the world, if you see Hulk Hogan coming, just go find an Adult

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CCROasz8F0

creepy
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 20, 2014, 05:47:41 PM
I don't quite get the fascination with her that a lot of male fans have.  Yeah, she has a pretty face, but her boobs are way too big (yes, there is such a thing) and she is too muscular.  Don't get me wrong, a girl in good shape is sexy as hell, but when she is bigger than most of the guys I see at the gym every day...no thanks.

Right with ya there. I always hated her boob job. She looks better with age, and all though I concede she's attractive, she does nothing for me.
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Post by: abydos on May 20, 2014, 06:02:25 PM
Her boobs are terrible but I don't think she had much to work with in the first place. She has that type of face which can loo bitchy and cute depending on what she wants, which is what I meant. Nothing special, but I've always enjoyed watching her in the past- some good entertainment, especially when she was getting beaten by wrestlers.

Phoenix87x, it's not creepy. It's just Japanese :P
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Post by: BlobVanDam on May 20, 2014, 10:55:01 PM
This is why pre-taped shows suck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMKGm0pgwY&feature=player_embedded#at=143

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

If nothing else, they have good sound engineers. 



WWE love getting revisionist with things that don't go their way. You can even hear the quick crossfade on the "boo" to the alternate audio track.
Where did the first broadcast come from though? It's obviously the real deal, so did it air live there before the RAW broadcast?
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Post by: KevShmev on May 20, 2014, 10:58:53 PM
Let's not forget that Stephanie also inherited her dad's annoying, shrilling, screechy voice. :lol :lol

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Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 20, 2014, 11:05:27 PM
To all the kids of the world, if you see Hulk Hogan coming, just go find an Adult

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CCROasz8F0

creepy

Terry's dreamy :hearts:
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Post by: masterthes on May 21, 2014, 04:39:14 AM
I've always had a thing for Stephanie. I too though always thought her boob job was unnecessary though. That being said, I'd still love to see her in all her glory
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 21, 2014, 07:52:01 AM
Oh, her boob job was necessary.  She had a pair of sunny-side eggs for tits before it.

It's just a bad boob job.
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Post by: masterthes on May 21, 2014, 08:30:43 AM
How do you know? Are there naked pics out there I don't know about? lol
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Post by: ozzy554 on May 21, 2014, 08:33:23 AM
http://youtu.be/QSaayI1S5yQ?t=5m35s (http://youtu.be/QSaayI1S5yQ?t=5m35s)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Believe in the Shield...Creative does.
Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2014, 07:06:37 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JNtpctj.gif)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Believe in the Shield...Creative does.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 04, 2014, 01:43:09 PM
Talk about a rush job. But Seth's good enough to pull it off.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Believe in the Shield...Creative does.
Post by: jjrock88 on June 04, 2014, 04:00:36 PM
Seth is an awesome worker and I'm interested to see where they go with this one.  Do you think Shield will bring in someone new?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Believe in the Shield...Creative does.
Post by: Dimitrius on June 04, 2014, 04:19:13 PM
Maybe, it would be a good way to introduce someone from NXT (Sami Zayn please!!!)

But, I don't know about the rush job or not, they teased the SHIELD breaking up twice before and kept them together. For one thing, it instantly propels Rollins as a top heel and gives him nuclear heat. He's been my favorite member of them for all this time so I'm certainly looking forward to what happens.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Believe in the Shield...Creative does.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 04, 2014, 04:32:28 PM
Maybe, it would be a good way to introduce someone from NXT (Sami Zayn please!!!)

But, I don't know about the rush job or not, they teased the SHIELD breaking up twice before and kept them together. For one thing, it instantly propels Rollins as a top heel and gives him nuclear heat. He's been my favorite member of them for all this time so I'm certainly looking forward to what happens.

You're right that there's been talk of breaking up the Shield for quite a while now. I thought it would happen to set up a match at Mania (Either Dean vs. Roman for the US Title, or a triple threat).  I meant rush job as in the 24 hour window where Rollins was helping beat Evolution, to turning on his group.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Believe in the Shield...Creative does.
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 06, 2014, 04:46:19 PM
When I look at Batista, this is all I can think of:

(http://www.technologytell.com/gaming/files/2014/06/Bluetista-Mega-Man.jpg)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Believe in the Shield...Creative does.
Post by: Zook on June 06, 2014, 09:25:52 PM
We may not think Vince is very creative anymore, but I'm willing to bet that he might be more creative than we think and he came up with the blue attire because he knew it would get a crowd response. This applies to other things as well.

"They are totally going to chant "Bluetista". "I'm a genius!"
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Believe in the Shield...Creative does.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 06, 2014, 09:45:58 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TIyGq77eBqM/U4wIKjp7OiI/AAAAAAAAWwY/562ydPMfMlM/s1600/Bluetista+wwe+gay.png)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Zook on June 06, 2014, 09:47:23 PM
Ducktista!

I'm a genius!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Believe in the Shield...Creative does.
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 07, 2014, 03:24:53 AM
We may not think Vince is very creative anymore, but I'm willing to bet that he might be more creative than we think and he came up with the blue attire because he knew it would get a crowd response. This applies to other things as well.

"They are totally going to chant "Bluetista". "I'm a genius!"

Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking too, since like I really didn't give two shits about Batista, but now I'm like "what the hell is this mess"

If there's one thing that Vince is good at, its definitely provoking a response.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Believe in the Shield...Creative does.
Post by: Marion Crane on June 07, 2014, 08:31:45 AM
Seth is an awesome worker and I'm interested to see where they go with this one.  Do you think Shield will bring in someone new?

Fantasy booking.....you book Evolution vs Shield for MITB (2 on 3 handicap match).  Then on Raw the Monday before the PPV, The Shield announces they have a 3rd member (ala Nash and Hall in 96 with the NWO).  At the PPV, have Reigns and Ambrose get beaten down and just when it looks like it's over, The Shield's music hits and from the ramp, NOT from the crowd, in full riot gear, out comes John Cena.  So you basically have the 96 Bash at the Beach NWO scenario, except with the most over babyface faction in the business.

Cena has been in serious need of a repackaging for years now, but WWE can't turn him heel.  This would be a great way to repackage him as a babyface, it elevates The Shield further, and I think Cena would get the crowd back because of it. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Jaffa on June 07, 2014, 08:44:35 AM
I think Cena would get the crowd back because of it. 

Honestly, I think the crowd would probably start losing interest in the Shield rather than gaining interest in Cena. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Dimitrius on June 07, 2014, 08:50:00 AM
Cena joining Shield is a horrible idea. If the Shield go back to 3 people, they should use that spot to elevate someone from NXT (like Sami Zayn or Adrian Neville) not on someone who needs no help selling tickets and merchandise.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 07, 2014, 08:58:29 AM
Cena joining Shield is a horrible idea. If the Shield go back to 3 people, they should use that spot to elevate someone from NXT (like Sami Zayn or Adrian Neville) not on someone who needs no help selling tickets and merchandise.


This exactly. Shoving Cena into a hot stable would only piss off the hardcore fans. But if creative had the notion that it would make money, I wouldn't put it past them :(
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Marion Crane on June 07, 2014, 09:34:00 AM
While I am in no way a Cena mark, there's no denying that the guy has essentially carried the company for the last 10 years, a much longer time than Hogan or Austin ever did.  They would have gotten stale at some point too.  Hell, even people got sick of The Rock.  Any anyone who thinks he can't work is just wrong.  And he has put plenty of people over.  He doesn't have creative control, so him winning all the time isn't his decision, it's a creative one. 

I think the hardcore fans are just sick of the same old Cena.  I kind of am as well.  I think they would embrace the change honestly.  At least I would.  He needs some sort of repackaging as opposed to a heel turn, which they will NEVER do because of his staggering merch sales and Make a Wish grants. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2014, 09:39:35 AM
Pfft, Cena already gets enough cheap pops by mentioning other wrestlers, like Daniel Bryan, in his promos, and sticking him in the Shield would be a pathetic way to try and force the fans to cheer for him. Besides, they are supposedly trying to slowly build Reigns up as a monster face, and you put Cena in that faction, he automatically is the biggest star in it, and Reigns would be a tougher sell as the top face they eventually want him to be. 

Also, who said Cena can't work or doesn't put people over? ???
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Marion Crane on June 07, 2014, 10:05:52 AM
Pfft, Cena already gets enough cheap pops by mentioning other wrestlers, like Daniel Bryan, in his promos, and sticking him in the Shield would be a pathetic way to try and force the fans to cheer for him. Besides, they are supposedly trying to slowly build Reigns up as a monster face, and you put Cena in that faction, he automatically is the biggest star in it, and Reigns would be a tougher sell as the top face they eventually want him to be. 

Also, who said Cena can't work or doesn't put people over? ???

Ehh...I thought about the Reigns thing too.  Here's the thing though.....traditionally, you can't build a monster babyface without them being a very significant heel first.  Rock, Austin, HBK, Triple H, Undertaker, Batista, Eddie Guerrero, Punk...even Daniel Bryan were all pretty major solo heels before their huge babyface runs.  The only time I've seen otherwise would be with guys like Hogan, Bret Hart or Goldberg.  Also, Rollins, Ambrose and Reigns are still VERY young in the WWE.  Rollins aligning with Triple H and Orton is a very smart booking move because this will SIGNIFICANTLY push Rollins into the stratosphere.  The Shield is still too young in the business to elevate someone even younger (I LOVE Sami Zayn btw).  I feel them pushing Reigns into a major babyface role might be a little presumptuous.    Who knows though?

Also traditionally....anytime ANYONE has aligned themselves with one of the 5 biggest names in the history of the business (Hogan, Flair, Rock, Austin, Cena), whether it's in a faction or a feud, they get elevated.  Hence what's happening with Bray Wyatt currently.  I just think it would be a significant shake up for a character that should have been shook up 5 years ago.  I'm still pulling for the 3rd man to be Ziggler though :)  They are completely wasting him.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Marion Crane on June 07, 2014, 12:11:15 PM
In the mean time.....

http://www.kayfabenews.com/wwe-wrestlers-sent-live-ddp-just-case/
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: jjrock88 on June 07, 2014, 01:50:01 PM
In the mean time.....

http://www.kayfabenews.com/wwe-wrestlers-sent-live-ddp-just-case/

 :D
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Dimitrius on June 10, 2014, 08:37:18 AM
God-tier promo by Dean Ambrose last night.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=exDkCIZHzXg
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Zook on June 10, 2014, 09:43:28 AM
Is he Scottish? I've been wondering that for a while.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 10, 2014, 02:23:08 PM
Ambrose is the man.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Zook on June 10, 2014, 02:45:05 PM
I guess he isn't. Sounds like he has an accent.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Dimitrius on June 10, 2014, 02:58:50 PM
He's from Ohio...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Zook on June 10, 2014, 03:08:42 PM
YOU'RE FROM OHIO!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: jjrock88 on June 10, 2014, 07:41:49 PM
awesome promo by both
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 10, 2014, 07:53:05 PM
awesome promo by both

Agreed, very badass stuff.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 17, 2014, 02:53:43 PM
Yeah, so this happened:

(http://wrestlingnews.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/stardust-goldust-300x194.jpg)

At first I was like "ah, hell no", but the more I think about it, the more I think it could have some potential. Kind of brings back memories of 80's tag teams that share the same gimmick.

We'll see where it goes.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Dimitrius on June 17, 2014, 03:01:33 PM
Dusty was stuck with polka dots, he put that over. Dustin got this homoerotic persona, he got that over, so over he's been doing pretty much for the last 20 years.

Do not underestimate the ability of a Rhodes to put a gimmick over. Shit, Cody already got himself over once by growing a mustache and even sold some t-shirts of it!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Syzzle on June 22, 2014, 04:34:58 PM
Apparently John Cena is in line to win the WWE World Heavyweight Title at next Sunday's Money In the Bank pay-per-view.

It was previously reported that word from within WWE was that a heel would be leaving Money In the Bank with the title. During Monday's RAW, it appeared they may be grooming Roman Reigns for the title as they had him work his way into the match but that may not be the case as it's likely too soon for Reigns to have a title run.

Cena is going to pass Ric Flair next year at this rate :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 22, 2014, 10:29:01 PM
Apparently John Cena is in line to win the WWE World Heavyweight Title at next Sunday's Money In the Bank pay-per-view.

It was previously reported that word from within WWE was that a heel would be leaving Money In the Bank with the title. During Monday's RAW, it appeared they may be grooming Roman Reigns for the title as they had him work his way into the match but that may not be the case as it's likely too soon for Reigns to have a title run.

Cena is going to pass Ric Flair next year at this rate :lol

I thought it was going to be a heel too, ready for Bryan to return and win it back. I think it's way too early for Roman Reigns to win the title right at the moment, so I'll be glad if he doesn't win it for now. It very rarely turns out well for people to win it too early. WWE is littered with mid-cards who all suffered that fate.

And do they really need to stick the belt on Cena yet again to keep pushing the merch onto the kids? Isn't the guy hated enough already? :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Dimitrius on June 23, 2014, 05:05:46 AM
But they need a big face so Brock can have a match for the title on Summerslam. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Zook on June 25, 2014, 05:39:18 PM
So everyone here hates Vickie Guerrero right? I mean, she was awful on the mic, super annoying, and couldn't act for shit. On a certain wrestling news site I frequent it seems like now that she retired, she's suddenly a likable person and has been liked. Didn't she redefine "X Pac heat"?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 25, 2014, 07:14:31 PM
Well, I know how Eddy feels at least:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbQgH_nni_8
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 29, 2014, 04:46:45 PM
My picks for tonight....

 Summer Rae vs. Layla (Fandango as referee) - Layla

Rusev vs. Big E - Rusev

Stardust and Goldust vs. Ryback and Curtis Axel -Team Dust

Divas Championship Match
Paige vs. Naomi - Paige

WWE Tag Team Championship Match
The Usos vs. The Wyatt Family = The Usos

Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Seth Rollins vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. Bad News Barrett vs. Rob Van Dam vs. Dean Ambrose vs. Jack Swagger vs. Kofi Kingston - I would have taken Barrett had he not been hurt, but now, Kofi, why not. I think that Seth and Ambrose will cancel each other out.

WWE World Heavyweight Championship Ladder match
Kane vs. Randy Orton vs. Alberto Del Rio vs. Sheamus vs. Cesaro vs. Bray Wyatt vs. John Cena vs. Roman Reigns - John Cena...... I hope he doesn't win, but I see them doing what they think is "safe". I'll be rooting hard for Cesaro and Wyatt.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Dimitrius on June 29, 2014, 08:54:38 PM
lolcenawins
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Road to Money in the Bank.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 29, 2014, 09:00:50 PM
lolcenawins


Same shit different day. So not looking forward to seeing him and Brock at SS.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on June 30, 2014, 09:25:40 AM
Predictable, but not surprising.

Remember 1993 when they put the belt on Hogan with his impromptu victory over Yokozuna even though it was obvious that fans were getting tired of seeing him as the champ?  That was John Cena...five years ago, and yet they keep putting the belt on him. :lol :lol :lol

Granted, he is likely only a transitional champ, which was needed after Bryan's injury, but still, this just proves how right CM Punk was all along.  The view never changes.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 30, 2014, 09:44:31 AM
Pretty average PPV. Not bad, not great. Cena winning was predictable, although it could have been worse. A few good spots, but not a stellar match.

I was hoping one of the former Shield would win the Money in the Bank match, and I was expecting it to be Rollins. I'm glad he won, but having Kane come in was a crappy ending, and the match was not very good overall considering it had so many great performers in it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on June 30, 2014, 01:11:32 PM
So is Cena going to drop the belt to Daniel Bryan again? Are they going to give it to Lesnar? Will Goldberg return and apologize to the fans through a decent match with Lesnar? Will The Rock return to beat Cena at The Royal Rumble only to drop the belt to Santino at Wreslemania 31?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Marion Crane on July 01, 2014, 11:23:40 AM
Jericho  :metal
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on July 01, 2014, 01:47:14 PM
Jobbercho
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Dimitrius on July 02, 2014, 12:13:03 PM
Jericho has reached such a status that he can literally do anything he wants and no one really minds. Since coming back in 2012 he's been jobbing to everyone he's been in a feud with (and I'm pretty sure also having a hand in picking the feuds) and helping to put over new talent like the legend he is!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 02, 2014, 03:32:29 PM
I'm thinking there's got to be a work visa issue. If not, WTF WWE?


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2117638-wwe-diva-emma-released-following-arrest
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Syzzle on July 02, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
Not sure why anyone cares if WWE releases Emma just seems like another blonde bimbo that they picked up off the street.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 03, 2014, 04:44:18 AM
Not sure why anyone cares if WWE releases Emma just seems like another blonde bimbo that they picked up off the street.

If by that you mean, she's been busting her ass in the Indys to get to where she's gotten, then your statement isn't ridiculous.

Apparently, WWE realized their mistake and has ...."un-fired" her.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Dimitrius on July 03, 2014, 05:18:17 AM
I'd like to think that Triple H's reaction (who signed Emma) to her being fire for a minor shoplifting incident while Cameron and Swagger weren't for their DWI was something like:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rwro8doozUw/T755eP-AslI/AAAAAAAABPU/nCWLy9hg7Dg/s1600/triple-h-angry.gif)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 08, 2014, 02:22:12 PM
For whoever is interested, WWE is offering a free one week trial of the Nework. No credit card either  :tup

http://www.wwe.com/

I've been messing with it for about 2 hours and I have truly fallen in love with it. As soon as I'm done school, I will be a lifetime member.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 14, 2014, 05:45:16 PM
never mind. It was sting in TNA ring, but it looked like NXT and I fell for it.


Here it is, for anyone who is curious what the hell I'm talking about.

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/ScreenShot2014-07-14at74310PM_zps120b1a3f.png) (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/phoenix87x/media/ScreenShot2014-07-14at74310PM_zps120b1a3f.png.html)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 14, 2014, 05:48:00 PM
Damn he looks familiar.


































:neverusethis:

My first reaction was

No.  Fucking. Shit.   :omg:

Guess I have a reason to watch NXT.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on July 14, 2014, 09:21:18 PM
Seth Rollins appeared to legit blow his knee out at the end of RAW just now.  The ref threw up the X sign, too.  That would make Bryan, Barrett and Rollins all lost to injuries in the last three months when all were being pushed hard.  Meanwhile, John Cena is still the picture of health, as always. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on July 14, 2014, 09:34:15 PM
That's because John Cena is a terminator.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2014, 12:06:15 AM
That's because John Cena is a terminator. eats roids for breakfast.

FTFY. :P
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 15, 2014, 05:28:34 AM
I was wondering if that was legit, or just part of the angle to get the final four in the ring together leading up to the ppv. I missed the X, but did see the medic go rushing over, and with the camera not panning to him at all, figured it was legit.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2014, 07:38:01 AM
The way it happened and was shown looked legit to me. We'll find out soon enough, I suppose.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Syzzle on July 15, 2014, 07:56:15 AM
- Word from backstage at last night's RAW is that Seth Rollins is fine and is not injured. A source said Rollins was just selling the knee injury from the main event and doing a good job of it. It was noted that it was suspicious how WWE kept the cameras off Rollins when he went down.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 15, 2014, 08:42:40 AM
It doesn't surprise me that they would try to work the Smarks by making it seem fully legit.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: wkiml on July 15, 2014, 10:21:22 AM
Just read the same on PWI...WWE wanted only the 4 participants for the Battlefield PPV in the ring at the end

which explains the earlier beat down of Ambrose
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on July 16, 2014, 08:04:57 AM
CM Punk's contract expires this week and he sent out this tweet yesterday:

(http://i.imgur.com/rpCCZun.png)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on July 16, 2014, 08:55:30 AM
I'm going to miss the pipebombs.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on July 17, 2014, 01:55:13 PM
Honestly, I barely watch anymore.  I still have RAW set to DVR every week, but more often than not, I just see what happened at the beginning and end, and that's it; I am done with it in less than 20.  The only two guys I still liked watching a lot aren't even there anymore (Punk and Bryan), so there is no one that makes me want to watch.  The Shield guys are fun to watch, but they aren't must-see performers. 

And while I am not a big fan of his, how badly have they bungled Cesaro's momentum?  Fans were dying to root for him like mad after Wrestlemania, but they crushed his momentum by not turning him heel and now he is losing to Del Rio?  Another genius move by the writers. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 18, 2014, 09:15:56 PM
I find it hard to believe how much they are screwing up Cesaro's momentum.  This guy is major money.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on July 18, 2014, 10:33:07 PM
I find it hard to believe how much they are screwing up Cesaro's momentum.  This guy is major money.

I don't know, I don't think I can trust a guy like Cesaro selling me Fruity Pebbles.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 19, 2014, 08:45:29 AM
I find it hard to believe how much they are screwing up Cesaro's momentum.  This guy is major money.

I don't know, I don't think I can trust a guy like Cesaro selling me Fruity Pebbles.

If you don't buy them, he will swing you off a bridge into the river.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on July 19, 2014, 09:04:34 AM
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/723/501/330.gif)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Dimitrius on July 20, 2014, 07:49:54 PM
Chris Jericho... didn't job to the up and coming talent? I guess he's back for a while.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on July 20, 2014, 08:15:17 PM
So much for Mr. Wyatt.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 21, 2014, 08:21:53 AM
Chris Jericho... didn't job to the up and coming talent? I guess he's back for a while.

Wyatt will win the rematch at Summerslam. The same happened in his Cena feud. It doesn't have any impact for Jericho to come back and instantly job to Wyatt without re-establishing himself first in the feud. Wyatt continues to be an extremely unimpressive performer both in and out of the ring. I'll never figure out what anyone sees in him. :dunno:

It's a shame we got screwed out of a real Rollins/Ambrose match, but on the plus side, it means it won't be rehash when the match happens at Summerslam. And they had some good segments throughout the PPV. With another month of build-up on top of what's happened already, that will be the match.

The opening tag match and the women's match were both really good.

The Battle Royal was excellent except for the screwy finish. I thought it was going to be either Miz or Sheamus to win it from the start, but I really wanted Ziggler to win, so that ending was a huge tease. It would have been a great finish if not for that too.
And I swear they only do these an excuse for Kofi Kingston to put on a show, and I'm all for it! Always entertaining.

The title match was average. I wasn't expecting much from it anyway. We knew Cena would retain the title, and we knew Kane would turn on Orton, so there were no surprises here.

All in all though, pretty solid.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on July 21, 2014, 01:20:01 PM
I read that many thought it sucked, but while I disagree with much of what they do these days, their handling of Bray Wyatt makes a lot of sense.  I think his fans need to remember that not every new star has to be a main event guy.  He has been around for only around a year and has already worked a long program with John Cena; that is pretty darn good.  And do people really think Vince would let a guy who looks like him be the face of his company?  Hell no. 

From 1988-1991, in the WWF, you had:

-the two or three main event guys: Hogan, Warrior and Savage for a spell)
-guys just below that level who were occasional main eventers whom you were always gonna get good matches out of: Rude, Hennig, Savage again, DiBiase, etc.
-the one guy who almost always had the most interesting feud: Jake Roberts.

In a sense, Bray Wyatt is like the modern day Jake Roberts.  And Jake was almost never in main events and never held a title, but he was always at the forefront.  That is likely to be Wyatt's future, although Wyatt will likely hold some titles and be in the occasional main events, because nowadays there are 18 titles and 288 PPVs a year.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 21, 2014, 06:37:24 PM
Comparing late 80s wrasslin to the entertainment of today isn't apples to apples.  There were Tier 1 main eventers (those that you mentioned), and then tier 2 main eventers, of which I'd say there was a much bigger crop - the tag teams, Steamboat, Honky, Orndorff, Andre, Studd, Murroco, Piper and a few others.  Everyone else was a mid-carder.  And rarely, RARELY did people move too much in between.  A few lucky mid-carders might get to the Tier-2 main event group, but I can't think of anyone that broke through.  Also, the big names never fell down to the mid-card territory.  Nowadays, guys can get propelled like Miz, then in less than a year be nobody's.  That didn't happen too much back then.

Wyatt is more like the modern day Junkyard Dog.   :rollin
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Jaq on July 21, 2014, 07:43:34 PM

In a sense, Bray Wyatt is like the modern day Jake Roberts.  And Jake was almost never in main events and never held a title, but he was always at the forefront.  That is likely to be Wyatt's future, although Wyatt will likely hold some titles and be in the occasional main events, because nowadays there are 18 titles and 288 PPVs a year.

Yeah but Jake in his prime was a great worker and the best promo guy in the business. Wyatt...isn't  :rollin
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on July 21, 2014, 08:21:00 PM


Yeah but Jake in his prime was a great worker and the best promo guy in the business. Wyatt...isn't  :rollin

Very true.  Jake was so great, he didn't need a title to get over, as a face or heel.

Comparing late 80s wrasslin to the entertainment of today isn't apples to apples.  There were Tier 1 main eventers (those that you mentioned), and then tier 2 main eventers, of which I'd say there was a much bigger crop - the tag teams, Steamboat, Honky, Orndorff, Andre, Studd, Murroco, Piper and a few others.  Everyone else was a mid-carder.  And rarely, RARELY did people move too much in between.  A few lucky mid-carders might get to the Tier-2 main event group, but I can't think of anyone that broke through.  Also, the big names never fell down to the mid-card territory.  Nowadays, guys can get propelled like Miz, then in less than a year be nobody's.  That didn't happen too much back then.

Wyatt is more like the modern day Junkyard Dog.   :rollin

 :lol :lol :lol

Imagine a promo like this nowadays:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aSRUJ9XQC-o#t=91

The look on Mean Gene's face right after Valentine calles JYD a "nasty black man" is freaking priceless. :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on July 22, 2014, 10:41:48 AM
If I was Heath Slater I would just quit. He even has to job to celebrities.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Marion Crane on July 23, 2014, 10:00:24 AM
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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Dimitrius on July 26, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Love or hate Triple H, you can't deny he's been killing it for months now! God he's such a heel!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: masterthes on July 26, 2014, 02:55:46 PM
He's always been a great bad guy, and I'm sure he loves doing it. One of the many reasons why probably he doesn't stay a face for long. What was his longest face run? Probably less than a year (with the exception of the DX runs)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Dimitrius on July 26, 2014, 03:43:22 PM
I think what he's doing now is his best stuff, IMO. How he needles the smarks from time to time, like on this Monday saying the stuff about "I'm gonna complain about it... on Twitter", all the stuff with Bryan, screaming at the cops "career choices". It's sooooo good!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on July 26, 2014, 04:09:07 PM
I think what he's doing now is his best stuff, IMO. How he needles the smarks from time to time, like on this Monday saying the stuff about "I'm gonna complain about it... on Twitter", all the stuff with Bryan, screaming at the cops "career choices". It's sooooo good!

That was great and all, but what ruined it for me was Brie/Nicki's acting. She really needs to get lessons/give a fuck.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on July 26, 2014, 11:05:05 PM
He's always been a great bad guy, and I'm sure he loves doing it. One of the many reasons why probably he doesn't stay a face for long. What was his longest face run? Probably less than a year (with the exception of the DX runs)

I started watching again early in 2009 and he was a face since then until his heel turn last summer, and that's 4 1/2 years.  Granted, he had a few long spells where he wasn't on TV at all, but he was a face for a pretty long time there. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 26, 2014, 11:24:03 PM
I think what he's doing now is his best stuff, IMO. How he needles the smarks from time to time, like on this Monday saying the stuff about "I'm gonna complain about it... on Twitter", all the stuff with Bryan, screaming at the cops "career choices". It's sooooo good!

That was a fantastic promo. My problem with HHH is that a lot of the time you know the heel stuff he says is what he actually thinks in real life, and I don't like him inserting himself into whatever the biggest storyline is.
But to his credit, he does play the heel well.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 28, 2014, 03:17:13 PM
Apparently TNA Impact has been cancelled

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2143311-tnas-impact-wrestling-will-reportedly-not-be-renewed-by-spike-tv
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: jjrock88 on July 28, 2014, 07:50:56 PM
I can't say I've ever watched a complete TNA show from beginning to end.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 28, 2014, 08:10:47 PM
I haven't watched a single second  :|

And honestly WWE doesn't hold my attention either
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Dimitrius on July 29, 2014, 10:12:54 AM
I watched a few episodes of it, mostly when AJ Styles was in it and Sting first got there.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on July 29, 2014, 10:16:25 AM
Cesaro's promo was funny but sill pretty awful, not to mention awkward. If they're going to keep him heel, he needs to improve his mic skills so he doesn't end up like Ryback.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Dimitrius on July 29, 2014, 10:18:53 AM
Unlike Ryback, Cesaro can actually wrestle so he won't end up like him.... hopefully.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on August 05, 2014, 04:17:37 PM
I'm rooting for Stephanie just because Brie is so terrible on the mic.

Also, Stephanie does the Pedigree better than HHH.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Dimitrius on August 05, 2014, 06:09:25 PM
And the Bellas sold it better than half the male roster too! :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: abydos on August 05, 2014, 06:51:05 PM
So I just found out there's a fellow Bulgarian in the WWE. Quite disappointed to see them basically turning him into some comic version of an 80s baddie. He could have had some future. Talking about Rusev. That guy is as old as me, yet looks twice my age xD
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 05, 2014, 11:10:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCUzAts4ifs
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Jaffa on August 05, 2014, 11:23:47 PM
Pretty soon they're going to start selling WWE Network For $9.99 t-shirts. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 05, 2014, 11:26:37 PM
:lol I wouldn't put it past them.
When HHH did it, it was just part of the "authority" heel gimmick, and it was hammy and funny. But when the announcers kept doing it all night, it was just obnoxious and lame.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Jaffa on August 05, 2014, 11:33:03 PM
Yeah, I'm not really sure what they're going for here.  Do they want people to hate the WWE Network?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Dimitrius on August 05, 2014, 11:35:43 PM
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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 05, 2014, 11:40:13 PM
Yeah, I'm not really sure what they're going for here.  Do they want people to hate the WWE Network?

I have no idea, but that seems to have been the result. The endless repetition did nothing to gain more subscribers. Is this episode of Raw supposed to set an example of the kind of show I'm encouraged to sign up for?

Maybe they should focus on a stronger product and more original content if they want people to subscribe. Just a crazy thought. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: abydos on August 05, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
I have no idea what The Network is but I know I don't want it after watching that youtube clip :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: ozzy554 on August 06, 2014, 07:18:20 AM
I have no idea what The Network is but I know I don't want it after watching that youtube clip :lol

but it's only 9.99
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on August 06, 2014, 07:25:57 AM
There is no doubt that Punk's sudden departure and Bryan's injury have hurt them this year, but their writing is so terrible that this is what happens when you have no clue.

Think about it: Cesaro was getting over like mad after Wrestlemania, but instead of turning him face, which would have made sense since fans were dying to cheer for the guy like crazy, they kept him as a heel with Heyman, and now four months later, he is losing matches on RAW in two minutes. :lol :lol

Does anybody really want to see The Miz being a featured guy again every week?  I thought we were done with the silly idea that that clown was a legit star.

The Brie/Stephanie feud closes RAW two weeks in a row?? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

And how about this pathetic build-up of the Cena/Lesnar match?  But hey, that is what happens when you put in the main event a guy who never shows up.  They still haven't learned their lesson from the Batista disaster.  If CM Punk is paying attention to this at all, he has to be thinking, "This is why I left and don't intend on ever coming back."

The WWE will always do well cause they are the only major game in town, but it's sad how terrible it is now compared to what it used to be.  Basically, WWE is like Metallica: fans are still hanging around cause they remember how good it used to be and they still cling to that hope that maybe someday, somehow, they will recapture that former greatness.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 06, 2014, 07:35:28 AM
I stopped listening to Metallica 15 years ago.  Never went back.  Too many other listening options.

I stopped watching WWE about 5 years ago.  Never went back.  Too many other (sporting) entertainment options.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on August 06, 2014, 07:38:14 AM
If not for DVR, I'd honestly never watch WWE anymore, since I would never go out of my way to make sure I was home on Monday night to watch live.  I usually get through RAW in about 20 minutes, and that is factoring in the time it takes to forward through commercials and most of the crap (which is most of everything these days :lol :lol).

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 06, 2014, 07:51:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCUzAts4ifs

That is hilarious

If not for DVR, I'd honestly never watch WWE anymore, since I would never go out of my way to make sure I was home on Monday night to watch live.  I usually get through RAW in about 20 minutes, and that is factoring in the time it takes to forward through commercials and most of the crap (which is most of everything these days :lol :lol).


Same thing with me. I really have no idea how someone can legitimately sit through the show from beginning to end. I just fast forward.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: ozzy554 on August 06, 2014, 08:11:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCUzAts4ifs

That is hilarious

If not for DVR, I'd honestly never watch WWE anymore, since I would never go out of my way to make sure I was home on Monday night to watch live.  I usually get through RAW in about 20 minutes, and that is factoring in the time it takes to forward through commercials and most of the crap (which is most of everything these days :lol :lol).


Same thing with me. I really have no idea how someone can legitimately sit through the show from beginning to end. I just fast forward.
I use a book, I read during the commercials and matches I don't care about. I still think making raw 3 hours long was a mistake.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: ozzy554 on August 07, 2014, 05:00:27 PM
WWE announced the release of Alberto Del Rio due to unprofessional conduct and an altercation with an employee.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on August 07, 2014, 05:17:27 PM
And no fucks were given that day.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Marion Crane on August 09, 2014, 12:05:45 PM
I stopped listening to Metallica 15 years ago.  Never went back.  Too many other listening options.

I stopped watching WWE about 5 years ago.  Never went back.  Too many other (sporting) entertainment options.

Well that really sucks for you
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on August 09, 2014, 12:34:56 PM
I stopped listening to Metallica 15 years ago.  Never went back.  Too many other listening options.

I stopped watching WWE about 5 years ago.  Never went back.  Too many other (sporting) entertainment options.

Well that really sucks for you

Why?  If he doesn't enjoy it, and can find much more enjoyment in other places, why force himself to watch it?  That's why I barely watch anymore; it's a waste of time most of the time now.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 09, 2014, 07:09:14 PM
Wrestling during the Monday Night Wars era, and the Attitude era was way better than it has been in the last 5 years. As Kev said, when there are are more entertaining options to occupy my time, why spend it on the WWE of today? 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 12, 2014, 02:20:21 PM
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One of these guys is one of the greatest, most entertaining wrestlers that I've ever seen. 

The other is Triple H.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Cool Chris on August 12, 2014, 02:34:16 PM
Serious question here for wrestling fans: Does anyone get anything out of the women in WWE, from the wrestlers, to the managers, to the... others? Even in my big WWF/E days in the 80s and 2000-2002, I never got any enjoyment out of women in or outside the ring, with the possible exception of Miss Elizabeth who had a great thing going with Savage's character. Now when I happen across Raw or Smackdown, a women gets in the ring or grabs a mic, and I change the channel.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 12, 2014, 02:45:40 PM
I liked a few of them in the Attitude era... Trish Stratus and Amy Dumas could put on a good program.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 12, 2014, 02:46:47 PM
Like anything else, it's how the writers set them up and how they handle it that determines my interest.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Zook on August 12, 2014, 02:51:35 PM
Sure they're nice to look at, but they are so terrible at wrestling and just about everything else that I skip right over them.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Jaffa on August 12, 2014, 07:26:23 PM
Well, yes and no.  The current state of the WWE women's division is pretty pathetic, so I can't say that I get very much out of them right now.  But in general?  Yeah, I love women's wrestling. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: jjrock88 on August 12, 2014, 09:12:27 PM
I've been impressed with Paige for the most part
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: KevShmev on August 13, 2014, 11:27:42 AM
The divas matches are always lame, but I never mind looking at AJ. 

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img661/6797/o7r1wn.gif)

Ah, to be that other woman... :lol :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Dimitrius on August 16, 2014, 12:05:50 PM
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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 16, 2014, 10:18:12 PM
Such a terrible storyline, even Bryan has said it's stupid. :lol
http://au.ign.com/articles/2014/08/15/daniel-bryan-on-brie-bella-s-summerslam-match-and-why-hes-not-sure-when-hell-be-back-on-wwe-tv?page=1
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 17, 2014, 06:43:35 AM
Such a terrible storyline, even Bryan has said it's stupid. :lol
http://au.ign.com/articles/2014/08/15/daniel-bryan-on-brie-bella-s-summerslam-match-and-why-hes-not-sure-when-hell-be-back-on-wwe-tv?page=1


After reading this, it seems that he's all for the story line (never called it stupid), but only said how he was brought into the story line was stupid.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 17, 2014, 07:06:21 AM
I don't mean the general Brie vs. Stephanie thing that's been going on recently, I mean the cheating angle (ie. how he was brought into it), which he did call stupid and groan-worthy. And it is.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 17, 2014, 10:52:01 AM
I don't mean the general Brie vs. Stephanie thing that's been going on recently, I mean the cheating angle (ie. how he was brought into it), which he did call stupid and groan-worthy. And it is.

Yeah, it was bad when TNA did it with AJ Styles, and it's even worse now. The feud didn't even need it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 17, 2014, 11:00:07 AM
It just has a bad soap opera feel to it, and detracts from the wrestling. Hopefully they drop that part of the angle soon. As you said, the Stephanie / Brie feud didn't need it, and Bryan definitely doesn't need it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: kingshmegland on August 17, 2014, 11:45:56 AM
It just has a bad soap opera feel to it, and detracts from the wrestling. Hopefully they drop that part of the angle soon. As you said, the Stephanie / Brie feud didn't need it, and Bryan definitely doesn't need it.


Um, that's every storyline Wrestling has. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 17, 2014, 11:56:35 AM
It just has a bad soap opera feel to it, and detracts from the wrestling. Hopefully they drop that part of the angle soon. As you said, the Stephanie / Brie feud didn't need it, and Bryan definitely doesn't need it.


Um, that's every storyline Wrestling has. :lol

I know, but I don't want to be reminded of it! :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Da Champ is here (again)
Post by: kingshmegland on August 17, 2014, 12:01:35 PM
In 1983 Blob, I saw Sunka and the  Samoan Brothers team up against nobodys.  Freddie Blassie was there as well as, gosh gee willickers bob Backlund in a skating rink.  Ah the days of the WWE when it only aired Saturday mornings.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: Zook on August 17, 2014, 12:37:02 PM
Katie Vick. /worststorylineever


Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: Dimitrius on August 17, 2014, 07:41:10 PM
Steph looks smoking hot!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 17, 2014, 07:51:10 PM
Steph looks smoking hot!

(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1947585_304050193110433_995432046809969518_n.jpg?oh=91ba11afb1d0acfdc91a5f1fb14f9a04&oe=547148B8)


I ain't mad.


Also, Paige and AJ had a great match!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on August 17, 2014, 08:54:41 PM
Brock Lesnar......
Debuted on the main roster in April of 2002.
Won the 2002 King of the Ring
Won the WWE Undisputed Championship at SummerSlam 2002 by beating the Rock.
Won the 2003 Royal Rumble
Won the WWE Championship in the Main Event of his first ever Wrestlemania by beating Kurt Angle
Ended the Undertaker's Wrestlemania Undefeated Streak at Wrestlemania XXX
Won the World Heavyweight Championship by being the first person to Completely dismantle John Cena at SummerSlam 2014.

This might be the best track record in the modern era of professional wrestling


Would rather see a full time guy with the belt, but we'll see how this goes. This could be a huge payoff if they have Brock dominate until WM and drop it to an up and comer like Roman Reigns. Now if Brock just drops it back to Cena at some point, then it's all for naught.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: Dimitrius on August 17, 2014, 08:57:27 PM
I understand why the match had to be longer, but it would've been a much more impressive win if that first F5 would've ended the match!

Talk about "conquering!"
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: Zook on August 18, 2014, 12:41:31 AM
So it was a good match? Cena\Punk quality?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: Dimitrius on August 18, 2014, 07:41:22 AM
The match told the story it wanted to tell really well, which was "Brock Lesnar is gonna beat the ever loving shit out of you". It was really a squash match, with Cena getting squash.

By the way, I can't believe that we got an entertaining lumberjack match! I now want Rollins and Ambrose to have a series of dumb gimmick matches and make them entertaining!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2014, 07:45:19 AM
That was a really enjoyable PPV!

The Miz vs Dolph Ziggler was a strong opener. I hate the Miz because he's terrible at everything, but Ziggler put on a good show, and to my surprise won! Nice way to kick things off. 

AJ Lee vs Paige was an excellent women's match for the 5 whole minutes they gave it. A lot of big moves, and that T-bone DDT was awesome. I'm glad Paige won too.

Jack Swagger vs Rusev was pretty bad. The injured leg thing always is. I really thought Swagger was going to win this one and end the feud, so I was surprised that he lost. I guess that means another month of the same thing. Bleh.

Dean Ambrose vs Seth Rollins stole the show. Being a lumberjack match, I thought it was going to suck despite the talent, but it actually enhanced the match a lot. It gave it that much more payoff when they were able to leave the ring, and Ambrose did a lot of good dives. I'll be glad to see this continue in future.

Bray Wyatt vs Chris Jericho sucked. Can't say I expected anything else from Wyatt.

Brie Bella vs Stephanie McMahon was just wrong. I shouldn't be surprised that Stephanie made herself look super strong throughout the match given who she's married to, but it made no sense given that she was helped out with Nikki's turn at the end. It should have at least been an even fight until then. Stephanie's outfit looked like it was made by NASA for a superhero movie.

Randy Orton vs Roman Reigns was incredibly boring, and the crowd let them know it. I don't know why they're backing Reigns when he's the weakest member of the former Shield. He's a one trick pony who hasn't evolved one bit since the split, unlike the other two. Same old punches, superman punch and spear.

John Cena vs Brock Lesnar was beautiful to behold. That start with them going at it then the F5 was a pleasant surprise, and Lesnar dominated for the entire match. Those german suplexes looked brutal. John Cena can job like a champ when he has to. I respect that.

By the way, I can't believe that we got an entertaining lumberjack match! I now want Rollins and Ambrose to have a series of dumb gimmick matches and make them entertaining!

It was a first! :lol TLC PPV, ladder match for the briefcase. Make it happen.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: jingle.boy on August 18, 2014, 07:53:49 AM
I confused.

8 matches ; 4 comments are "pretty bad" + "sucked" + "just wrong" + "incredibly boring"  = "Really enjoyable PPV"??

Just how low are the expectations that the WWE has set?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: Dimitrius on August 18, 2014, 07:57:22 AM
When you watch a WWE PPV, you're hoping for 2 good matches out of the card, mostly the main ones.

I for one, thought the Orton/Reigns one was enjoyable after they got all the slow start out of the way and had those nice spots. As boring as Randy seems to be: when he's walking to the ring, cutting a promo; there's no denying his ability and his two counters (spear into powerslam and superman punch into RKO) where some of the moves of the night.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: GentlemanofDread on August 18, 2014, 08:03:24 AM
I didn't like the main event. But that's mainly because the suplexs got too much and I got bored.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: KevShmev on August 18, 2014, 08:08:17 AM
I read a review of the event and the thing that stood out to me the most was this:

(http://i.imgur.com/4aRexIF.gif)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2014, 08:08:50 AM
I confused.

8 matches ; 4 comments are "pretty bad" + "sucked" + "just wrong" + "incredibly boring"  = "Really enjoyable PPV"??

Just how low are the expectations that the WWE has set?

How many PPVs have ever been amazing from start to finish? You're always going to have a combination of lower/mid card wrestlers along with your better guys. Overall I enjoyed the PPV despite some not so good matches.
It also comes down to expectation vs the result. If I expect a match to not be good, and it's not so good, it doesn't really disappoint me. But if I expect a match to be good, and it's not, then that drags it down. Likewise, if I expect a match to be bad, and it ends up being good, then it's exceeded my expectations. It's not always just a sum of its parts. It's an overall package. It started very strong, it ended strong, mixed bag inbetween. I was entertained.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 18, 2014, 08:32:12 AM
^ Gotchya.  I guess it's been so long since I saw a PPV (geez... gotta be well over 5 years), when I remembered there might be one stinker, or couple of sub-par matches, but the majority was at least decent - with always the chance (and regular occurrence) of an "O-mah-fawkin-gawd!!!" match
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2014, 08:35:32 AM
It may also be a bit of lower expectation for PPV's these days, but having watched every PPV this year for the first time in a long time, I think it was the best since Wrestlemania.
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Post by: Zook on August 18, 2014, 11:49:42 AM
Lesnar could have done a few powerbombs and slams to change it up a bit. It really didn't have to be a squash match either. Unless of course this is supposed to mirror Superman and Doomsday or something.
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 18, 2014, 06:53:01 PM
Ambrose dousing Rollins in ice water then going "what? It's for charity!" before punching him was just gold! Please never let this feud end!
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Post by: Syzzle on August 18, 2014, 07:24:03 PM
Lets introduce the Miz from Hollywood now after introducing him from Cleveland for the past few years surely nobody will notice :lol
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Post by: KevShmev on August 18, 2014, 07:37:07 PM
That's not that unusual.  I remember when Ted DiBiase was at his height of the Million Dollar Man gimmick.  They would announce where he was from based on where his seasonal residence was. "Making his summer residence in..." :lol :lol
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 18, 2014, 07:58:51 PM
It's really not unusual at all. Hogan changed his billing when he turned into Hollywood Hogan, so did The Rock when he went "movie star heel", 'Taker when he was Biker Taker, Sting did for a time. And that's just off the top of my head, it's pretty common.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2014, 12:58:25 AM
Lets introduce the Miz from Hollywood now after introducing him from Cleveland for the past few years surely nobody will notice :lol

There was a period years ago where they were no longer announcing any Canadian wrestlers as actually being from Canada, and instead changed them all to US locations.

Seth Rollins and Ambrose is the best feud of the year. Their match on RAW is the best RAW match in a long time, and you could have stuck that match on Summerslam and it still would have stolen the show. It's just a shame that Kane has to exist. He had no place in that match. He has no place in wrestling at all anymore.
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Post by: Syzzle on August 19, 2014, 04:32:50 AM
Didn't they use to just introduce every Canadian from Toronto? Which led us to this gem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77NwC2TLR8
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 19, 2014, 08:28:23 AM
Seth Rollins and Ambrose is the best feud of the year. Their match on RAW is the best RAW match in a long time, and you could have stuck that match on Summerslam and it still would have stolen the show. It's just a shame that Kane has to exist. He had no place in that match. He has no place in wrestling at all anymore.
Yeah, his inclusion in their last two matches have been incredibly unnecessary!
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2014, 08:34:23 AM
It's even worse now that he's back to being Corporate Kane. There's nothing threatening about a middle-aged dude with a terrible haircut dressed for a day at the office.

Kane could have just come out and revealed the blocks to skew the match, if anything at all.  The curb stomp through the cinder blocks was enough to make Rollins look like the cheating heel and to take out Ambrose for a while.
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Post by: KevShmev on August 19, 2014, 08:37:41 AM
Wait, so this family-oriented PG show is now having one star curb stomp another?  That's rich.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2014, 08:45:43 AM
The curb stomp is Seth Rollins finishing move. Where have you been? :biggrin:

It was a pretty hardcore match for Raw these days though. The bit with all of the chairs was a highlight.
It was funny how they let people vote for the kind of match they were going to have, when the options were all the exact same thing! :lol
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Post by: KevShmev on August 19, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
I told ya, I don't watch much anymore.  It still DVRs every week, so perhaps I'll check out that match.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 19, 2014, 08:51:43 AM
If anything from Raw in the past year is actually worth watching (which isn't a lot), it would be this match. It was PPV quality.
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Post by: Zook on August 19, 2014, 09:49:35 AM
Curb stomping a man's face into cinder blocks and the blocks breaking is some Dragonball Z quality shit. I know the kids don't know any better, but adults still watch this stuff. I bet there was a whole lot of eye rolling after that, cause realistically, Ambrose would be beyond death if that happened. Still a cool spot though.
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Post by: jjrock88 on August 19, 2014, 08:34:58 PM
The Ambrose/Rollins match on Raw was one of the best tv matches I've seen in recent memory.  What a feud!!
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 20, 2014, 09:51:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/iYEvoEq.png)
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Post by: Cool Chris on August 21, 2014, 10:41:32 AM
Found this online. I could watch this promo all day long. The Snake tells you everything you need to know about him, his thoughts on his opponent, and the upcoming match, all in 1:20. And he even threw in a people's eyebrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzE9UgLGjWs
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Post by: dreamtheaters#1fan on August 21, 2014, 08:04:42 PM
So what do you guys think about the new logo?  I'm really excited about it!
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Post by: Zook on August 21, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Eh, it's a logo. Makes no difference to me.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on August 21, 2014, 09:11:11 PM
Eh, it's a logo. Makes no difference to me.

That.
I figured they were going to change over when they started using this logo with the WWE Network, then this week on Raw I noticed they were now exclusively using it, for the entrance and turnbuckles and graphics.
Doesn't really make a difference to anything. It's an angular version of the same logo.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 04, 2014, 11:16:18 AM
Looking forward to the Sting DVD on the 23rd.  This is the DVD I've been hoping for since WCW went under.
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 04, 2014, 12:11:09 PM
ooohhh... didn't know there was one coming out.

*goes and investigates*

Um, yeah... think I'll be getting this one.  All I needed to see was "Great Muta".  Twice.  That one-on-one match between the two was one of the greatest things I think I ever saw.  Better than Flair v Windham or Flair v Steamboat.

The only thing I think missing is Fall Brawl '96 with Fake Sting.  Pretty pivotal match in his career, as it was essentially the starting point for 'Crow' Sting.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 04, 2014, 01:08:09 PM
It's missing the first clash match against Flair, which is a five star epic. The set itself looks awesome and it's great to see the Muta matches. Lots of obscure matches too
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Post by: Jaffa on September 04, 2014, 11:29:03 PM
Pretty soon they're going to start selling WWE Network For $9.99 t-shirts.

http://shop.wwe.com/WWE-Network-%249.99-T-Shirt/W08156,default,pd.html?dwvar_W08156_color=Black&start=17&cgid=shop-wwe-products-men-tshirts-authentics

(http://www.thewrestlinganswer.com/images/9-99-t-shirt.jpg)
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Post by: Zook on October 27, 2014, 04:21:54 PM
Pretty soon they're going to start selling WWE Network For $9.99 t-shirts.

http://shop.wwe.com/WWE-Network-%249.99-T-Shirt/W08156,default,pd.html?dwvar_W08156_color=Black&start=17&cgid=shop-wwe-products-men-tshirts-authentics

(http://www.thewrestlinganswer.com/images/9-99-t-shirt.jpg)

Well WWE is really predictable.

Were there always big holes on the sides of the HIAC for easy climbing?
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Post by: Dimitrius on October 27, 2014, 04:50:44 PM
No, but they have been for a few years now.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 27, 2014, 05:17:47 PM
Were there always big holes on the sides of the HIAC for easy climbing?

Or the ledge on the outside for them to stand on?

Love how the PPV went to a blank screen when everyone with a phone had their flashlight on.  Damn that was a lame-ass ending to an otherwise decent match.  I would've been more satisfied if Kane did what he did 17 years ago, and ripped the door off it's hinges.
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Post by: Cool Chris on October 27, 2014, 05:23:37 PM
So... at the beginning of the year, Brock Lesnar comes out of nowhere, wrestles Taker at WM and beats him, does nothing for a while, beats Cena for the title, then does nothing for a while?

Is this the worst use of a wrestler ever, or just his new t-shirt/slogan?

Big Match
Disappear
Repeat
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Post by: Zook on October 27, 2014, 05:27:15 PM
Does Brock do anything else that keeps him from WWE for that long?
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Post by: ozzy554 on October 27, 2014, 05:37:37 PM
I don't mind the ending. They needed something to end the rollins/ambrose feud. With Wyatt thrown in the mix ambrose will be feuding with him and it looks like they are setting up a rollins/orton rivalry. So it looks like were getting a break from the rollins/ambrose feud for a while which is a good thing because i think they were stretching it out far too long.
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on October 27, 2014, 05:44:57 PM
Does Brock do anything else that keeps him from WWE for that long?

No. He stays at home and hunts.
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Post by: Zook on October 27, 2014, 05:46:38 PM
Does Brock do anything else that keeps him from WWE for that long?

No. He stays at home and hunts.

Why is he indorsed by Jimmy John's?
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on October 27, 2014, 05:48:09 PM
Because they sponsored him when he was a UFC fighter and he kept the sponsorships.
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Post by: Zook on October 27, 2014, 05:50:21 PM
Because they sponsored him when he was a UFC fighter and he kept the sponsorships.

Wouldn't the sponsorships end after he left UFC? Why endorse a guy who's barely on TV to promote a product? Maybe that's not how it works. I'm not well versed. You could say I'm........ Ignorant.
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on October 27, 2014, 05:55:28 PM
I don't have a clue why he's still got them on his trunks other than it was his big sponsor in UFC and having sponsors makes him look "legitimate".
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Post by: Zook on October 27, 2014, 05:57:54 PM
I don't have a clue why he's still got them on his trunks other than it was his big sponsor in UFC and having sponsors makes him look "legitimate".

I guess JJ's doesn't care much. I'm pretty sure a big company like Pepsi would threaten to sue if their product was visible and they weren't getting a cut.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on October 28, 2014, 06:16:04 AM
Were there always big holes on the sides of the HIAC for easy climbing?

The first couple of matches didn't have them, but they've been there since at least the 6 man HIAC at Armageddon 2000, so a long time now.
Best HIAC match in a while, especially considering it's the PG era. It's no wonder they put that on last and distanced the Cena/Orton match from it, which was totally boring and worthless.
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Post by: Cool Chris on November 07, 2014, 12:50:27 PM
Why is Orton RKOing random people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TQ1I6Ey5hc
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on November 07, 2014, 02:22:00 PM
Because RKO OUTTA NOWHERE.
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Post by: Dimitrius on November 07, 2014, 02:30:19 PM
Because it's hilarious.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on November 07, 2014, 04:08:25 PM
Because it's hilarious.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 07, 2014, 04:22:22 PM
I haven't laughed at any of these yet... probably because I've already seen most of the original videos.


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Post by: abydos on November 07, 2014, 05:18:58 PM
That guy with the bike looked dead.
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on November 15, 2014, 06:39:01 AM
Cesaro vs Ziggler vs Kidd on Smackdown was the best Smackdown match for ages. Go out of your way and watch it because it's incredible.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 15, 2014, 09:22:33 AM
Cesaro vs Ziggler vs Kidd on Smackdown was the best Smackdown match for ages. Go out of your way and watch it because it's incredible.

It was really good. You typically see these good of matches on Smackdown rather than Raw.
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Post by: Dimitrius on November 15, 2014, 11:21:23 AM
Holy shit this match was awesome!! Easily the best thing I've seen this year in WWE since the Rollins/Ambrose lumberjack match!
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Post by: Cool Chris on November 19, 2014, 01:45:49 PM
Sorry if this is old news.

An awesome video where Jake the Snake shares bad news with DDP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52MECk0mb9g

A moving update on Kamala

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2267803-from-wrestling-legend-to-double-amputee-kamala-keeps-fighting?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t4

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Post by: Jaffa on November 23, 2014, 10:07:37 PM
Sting.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 23, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
 :omg:  Guess I'm recording RAW tomorrow.
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Post by: jjrock88 on November 23, 2014, 10:36:57 PM
Finally, Sting!!!
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Post by: Jaffa on November 23, 2014, 10:46:06 PM
Also, before we get too caught up on Sting, Ziggler.  Hell of a performance. 
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Post by: Zook on November 24, 2014, 03:08:37 AM
Seeing Sting was awesome, but they gave the belt to Nikki Bella. NIKKI BELLA. What the fuck?!
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on November 24, 2014, 04:22:05 AM
I'm not upset they put the title on Nikki more than... WTF was that entire match and feud about?
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Post by: Dimitrius on November 24, 2014, 05:39:42 AM
While Nikki is still a horrible actress, she's been not bad in the ring recently. This whole feud with AJ was a whole lotta nothing though.

Ziggler, what a fucking performance! What a hoss! Once I saw Cena get eliminated, I was so happy that they left Ziggler to win the match by himself! Would've love for him and Rollins to have gone even longer.

And, fucking Sting man! I hadn't read any rumors about him being in the arena so I was completely taken by surprise! Too bad he's not using the WCW theme. :(
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2014, 06:02:49 AM
Good god that was an awful PPV overall, but go Ziggler! That was about the only good part of the PPV, seeing Ziggler fight team authority alone and win. I knew Sting was coming back, but that didn't soften the blow of the disappointment, and it was just booooring.

I figured before the PPV that they were going to be light on matches, so that was super drawn out, and starting a PPV with 15 minutes of talking like every Raw was a bad move. The whole thing just felt like a typical episode of Raw.

AJ Lee getting squashed was pathetic.
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Post by: Marion Crane on November 24, 2014, 07:52:02 AM
I don't know man...I thought it was exactly what the "free subscribers" needed to see to get them to keep the network.  Sure, some of the matches were unnecessary or poorly executed (Adam Rose/Nikki Bella), but what was good about it was VERY good.  The 4 way tag was very strong with a lot of intensity and movement.  We got exactly what we needed to set up the TRUE Wyatt/Ambrose match, and that main event was fantastic. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2014, 08:38:19 AM
I thought it was about the worst PPV they could present to get people to buy the network. It was no better than an average episode of Raw they get for free. The WWE is going to end up going till the Rumble without a title match, and most of the other title holders were in the one big match (which I thought was very good btw).
The tag match was also pretty good, but the rest was overly drawn out with rehashes of Raw footage and talking, and was not very good. It was a contender with the Rumble for the worst PPV of the year.

They have a habit of copout finishes to draw out feuds lately, so the Wyatt/Ambrose match didn't feel conclusive or important, when PPV matches should always feel more important than the cycle of matches they do on Raw. Not to mention that Wyatt just can't wrestle, so that feud is an absolute waste of Ambrose's talents.

The only thing of importance was the big match, and that felt somewhat manufactured due to the lack of a title match, just like Cena's match with Orton to determine the #1 contender at HIAC, which has gone unmentioned since because the champion is still sitting at home getting a paycheck for doing nothing. It was easily the highlight of the PPV, but it couldn't save it.

Having Lesnar as a champ is a big deal, but it's actually dragging them down to have so many PPVs without the title even being defended.
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Post by: ozzy554 on November 24, 2014, 08:53:57 AM
I liked the 4 way tag match (although I hate the two men in the ring at a time rule)

I really liked the ambrose/wyatt match and I am really looking forward to their rematch at TLC

I liked the main event but I did not like how quickly ryback was eliminated or the random heel turn from big show.

Overall Survivor Series was disappointing, but it did have its moments. At least I liked it more than battleground.

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Post by: Marion Crane on November 24, 2014, 09:21:08 AM
The whole point of providing the network for free during November was to provide "can't miss" content to non subscribers.  And technically people don't watch RAW for free.  They pay their cable provider to watch it.  So if there's 4 million people watching RAW every week and only 750,000 Network subscribers, then there needs to be "can't miss" content on the Network.  They need to reach out to the 95% of people who don't have the Network, especially cable subscribers who are going to tune into RAW to see if Sting shows up because they missed it last night.   Regardless of the overall quality of the PPV, bringing Sting out was can't miss.  Having the US Title match was can't miss.  Austin's exclusive interview with McMahon next week will be can't miss.  If all of that new/original/exclusive content, plus the thousands of hours of new and pre-existing content on the Network isn't enough for people to cough up $9.99/month, then I'm not sure what else WWE needs to do.  For me, the Network is easily worth $49.99/month. 
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Post by: Jaffa on November 24, 2014, 09:36:00 AM
I was extremely excited to see Sting, but I have to admit, I do think they could have made that match's ending much better.  As amazing as it was to see Sting, he did kind of take away from the awesome match Ziggler and Rollins were putting on.  Having them just lie there motionlessly while Sting and HHH stared each other down for five minutes was a little sad, and having Sting trigger the finish wasn't great, either.  I think it would have been much better if Sting had just dropped HHH and then left, leaving Ziggler and Rollins to get up and finish the match on their own.  Ziggler hits one last big move and gets the win for real, rather than being literally dragged into it. 

I also think Sting's entrance could have been much cooler.  I'm okay with him just walking out (it would be amazing to see him lowered from the ceiling, but I totally understand why we're never going to see that in a WWE arena again, and having the lights go out and him appear in the ring might be too similar to Undertaker for WWE's liking), but it would have been cool for him to come out to classic music.  And for crying out loud, why didn't he have a baseball bat?!?  It was Sting, with his crow gimmick, coming out to challenge the corrupt ruling entity, and he didn't have a baseball bat!   :lol

But anyway, all small complaints aside, I thought it was amazing to see him.  If nothing else, this means we're finally going to get a proper DVD package of his career, and probably a Wrestlemania match as well. 
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 24, 2014, 10:59:28 AM
I preferred Sting before he started ripping off the Crow.  Of course, he wasn't a brooding supernatural creature then, he was just a hell of a wrestler who could hang with almost anyone in the ring and painted his face.
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Post by: Zook on November 24, 2014, 11:04:38 AM
Yeah, he sure did look odd without the bat.
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Post by: Jaffa on November 24, 2014, 12:18:49 PM
I preferred Sting before he started ripping off the Crow.  Of course, he wasn't a brooding supernatural creature then, he was just a hell of a wrestler who could hang with almost anyone in the ring and painted his face.

To be honest, I'm not all that familiar with pre-Crow Sting. 
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 24, 2014, 12:28:38 PM
I preferred Sting before he started ripping off the Crow.  Of course, he wasn't a brooding supernatural creature then, he was just a hell of a wrestler who could hang with almost anyone in the ring and painted his face.

To be honest, I'm not all that familiar with pre-Crow Sting.
That's too bad, because that's when he was awesome.
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on November 24, 2014, 12:51:05 PM
Pre-Crow Sting was much more about being impressive in ring, and whenever someone mentions how good Sting was, I always presume they mean Pre-Crow.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 24, 2014, 01:12:35 PM
He was really good then.  I saw him go to a draw with Ric Flair in Flair's heyday - was at least a 45-minute match, may have been an hour.  It was fantastic.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: jingle.boy on November 24, 2014, 01:31:40 PM
I got the Best of Blu-Ray last month. Watched a few of the early matches, and man he was rough to start, but by the early 90s, was amazing.  Gotta revisit that.  Looking forward to the Great Muta match
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 24, 2014, 03:25:08 PM
I loved Sting since the day I started watching wrestling and I'm really praying that they don't just completely ruin his run with their tame, watered down WWE non-sense.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: jjrock88 on November 24, 2014, 06:28:32 PM
He was really good then.  I saw him go to a draw with Ric Flair in Flair's heyday - was at least a 45-minute match, may have been an hour.  It was fantastic.

You are probably thinking about the first Clash of the Champions. 45 minute draw. 5 star classic, amazing match.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2014, 08:08:38 PM
I was extremely excited to see Sting, but I have to admit, I do think they could have made that match's ending much better.  As amazing as it was to see Sting, he did kind of take away from the awesome match Ziggler and Rollins were putting on.  Having them just lie there motionlessly while Sting and HHH stared each other down for five minutes was a little sad, and having Sting trigger the finish wasn't great, either.  I think it would have been much better if Sting had just dropped HHH and then left, leaving Ziggler and Rollins to get up and finish the match on their own.  Ziggler hits one last big move and gets the win for real, rather than being literally dragged into it. 


I agree. It was Ziggler's moment, and having a washed up Sting come in and take up so much time for nothing was classic WCW at its worst. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 24, 2014, 09:10:55 PM
He was really good then.  I saw him go to a draw with Ric Flair in Flair's heyday - was at least a 45-minute match, may have been an hour.  It was fantastic.

You are probably thinking about the first Clash of the Champions. 45 minute draw. 5 star classic, amazing match.
Nah, I watched that too, but on PPV.  I am talking about a house show I attended in Charlotte.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - DOLPH ZIGGLER SHOWED THE WORLD!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 27, 2014, 08:49:43 AM
CM Punk speaks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxHRJnZsinQ

Source: PWInsider & Art of Wrestling Podcast

*Punk made it clear that he's the happiest he's personally been in many years and that at times, he will come off bitter while discussing what happened, but it's "OK to be bitter" and that's part of going through the process of dealing with everything and that his appearance wasn't meant to be an attack on WWE, but a discussion of what his led to his departure.

*The most amazing thing to come out of the interview is that Punk didn't quit WWE after all - he was fired. While he left the company in January, he was told weeks later by Vince McMahon via text that he was suspended for two months. The next day, Vince told stockholders that Punk was on a "sabbatical." When the suspension ended, no one in WWE contacted Punk. When Punk finally reached out asking where royalties that were owed to him were, he got a run-around from WWE Execs until he received termination papers informing him he was in breach of contract on his wedding day. So, they technically fired him on his wedding day in June 2014, which Punk said was "going too f***ing far." Punk claimed the company tried to find him in "retro-breach" in June, instead of claiming he breached his deal back in January 2014 and he knew legally, that wouldn't stick.

*Punk said he left WWE the day after The Royal Rumble for one main reason: his health. During the podcast, Punk went into great, esquisite detail about the last several months in the company, which includes Punk being so injured that he's working with broken ribs (thanks to Ryback), a concussion (which he ignored after WWE medical asked him if he was OK to go on a European tour, so he toughed it out, which he noted was his own mistake) and injured knees. During the November tour, Punk was getting so sick that he was puking and dry heaving every night after wrestling, had a fever for months and had no appetite. WWE medical had given him so many antibiotics by that he pooped himself in the ring on Smackdown all while watching his checks shrink. Punk described it as the worst he ever felt in his life and being unable to sleep because he was so sick. This went all the way through the end of his WWE run.

*At the Royal Rumble, Punk suffered a concussion early on and still worked the entire match. The next day, he passed the company's concussion test (which he described as "bullsh**") while texting Colt Cabana and wearing headphones. WWE then told him he passed the test but they wanted him to go run the ring ropes to check him again. Punk said he felt like they wanted him to go run the ropes like some 2 week rookie in front of everyone and refused. At that point, Punk demanded they just decide he has a concussion and admitted that until then he was just trying to deny he was hurt and tough it out.

That same day, the company began pressuring him about signing visas for future tours and taking a drug test instead of listening to his requests to "f***ing help me" because something was obviously wrong with all the issues that had built up. Deciding he had enough, Punk said he decided to tell Vince McMahon and Triple H he was going home. Punk's version of this conversation is something to behold as he calmly tears into Triple H for cutting off his momentum in 2011 (Punk goes into great detail on issues with HHH), complains to Vince that he's stifled Punk's creativity and tells them both it's garbage they aren't considering Daniel Bryan for the main event of Wrestlemania 30, passing him by the way they've passed Punk by. He told them he was done and didn't want to do this anymore. Vince hugged him goodbye in tears and told him he was family, yet later suspended and fired Punk.

*Punk also told a story of going to WWE's doctor because he found a lump on his back during the same time period as the November 2013 European tour. The WWE Doctor, identified by Punk as Dr. Chris Amann, diagnosed it as a fatty deposit. Punk told several stories of asking for Amann to cut it out, but Amann says no because it wasn't hurting Punk. Punk explained that WWE docs cut things out of the wrestlers on a regular basis. Amann declined several times to remove it with Punk describing him as "lazy" in explicit, colorful terms. The day of the 2014 Rumble, Punk told Amann that it was now badly hurting and purple and bigger. Amann told him he couldn't do it then because Punk had to work the Rumble. After the Rumble, Punk demanded it be cut out right now and Amann noted that Punk would need to be on antibiotics, to which Punk responded that had been put on antibiotics WWE docs have given him for three months, which is why he pooped his pants.

*After leaving WWE and still not feeling any better weeks later, his wife AJ Lee convinced him go to her doctor. Her doctor (without knowing who Punk was or having any background information), immediately looked at the lump and diagnosed Punk with a MERSA staph infection. The doctor proceeded to squeeze the lump so hard the puss hit the ceiling. Punk said getting it cleaned out was the worst pain in his life and he needed specific medications for the infection, so none of the meds WWE had been giving him were any help. So, Punk had been wrestling the last few months of his WWE run with a staph infection in his back, which he stated was ignored and/or misdiagnosed by WWE's medical staff. When the doctor asked Punk how long he had the lump and Punk told him a few months, the doctor told him, "You should be dead."

*Punk talked about how badly hurt he was during his 2011-2014 WWE run and that on two occasions, he literally came out of surgery (and in one story, was walking out of the hospital following knee surgery) to find out he was being brought back almost immediately to TV with no time off. After elbow surgery, he was told he was being brought back to the road and TV to cut promos and after the knee surgery, was told he was being brought back in three weeks to work a TLC match against Ryback. Punk's version of these stories were enough to really make you shake your head and really need to be heard in his own voice.
*Punk described his wrestling career as a failure as he failed to get to the main event of Wrestlemania and that he's come to terms with that as he's moving on to the next stage of his life. He said that it was ridiculous that so many current roster members have not been in the Mania main event position. Punk talked about politicking to get to that level, but it was never about winning or being the guy. He said he needed to get there so he could learn to work at that level and get better, draw more and be an asset to the company. He said he would hear he wasn't a draw, but every chance he had, he "shoved it down their f***ing throats." He said that it all comes down to an "out of touch old man" (Vince McMahon) and his decisions.

*Punk said he knew he had the best match at Wrestlemania 29 and he was praised for it, but he knew he didn't get the money that John Cena, Undertaker, Brock Lesnar, Rock, and Triple H got for the show.

*Punk said that for anyone complaining he left WWE in a lurch, he didn't hold WWE up for money and didn't ask for anything and didn't walk out in the middle of a storyline. He was chokeslammed by Kane and he was gone. He went home for his health and sanity, although he did note he was frustrated with seeing smaller checks and not getting answers as to how the WWE Network will change the pay scale. Punk noted that everyone was afraid to ask Vince McMahon and even Randy Orton was coming to him asking if he knew anything.

*Punk said that when WWE fired him and issued him a contract breach, he hired a very "vicious" Los Angeles lawyer to go after WWE to fight the breach and in the end, he got a settlement that gave him everything he asked for "and more." He said he's just not allowed to talk about the settlement, but pretty much made it clear he got everything he wanted and noted it was stupid of WWE to even advertise him for the next WWE 2K15 videogame. He said he is completely done and clear of WWE and they will never, ever have a working relationship ever again.

*Punk said they were terrified that as an independent contract for the last ten years, that he would take them to court and ruin their way of doing business.
*When WWE later asked to issue a joint statement between the two, he told them to "F*** off."

*Punk talked in detail about WWE using the independent contractor status, noting the company does concussion testing to help themselves, not the wrestlers. He noted all the money the NFL Player's Union is forcing the NFL to pay for old injuries and medical concerns of players and that WWE is doing all this to prevent wrestlers from being able to say that they aren't. Punk said that if WWE truly cared for the talents, they would allow a union to be created for the talents.
*Punk also noted that he was to star in "12 Rounds 2" while he was WWE champion. When signing the paperwork, he noticed the filming dates were the same as a WWE European tour and Triple H. Triple H told him that was not the case but he will look into it. The next day, WWE announced Randy Orton would star in the move with HHH never calling Punk to inform him of the change because, as Punk said, "He thinks I'm a piece of sh**." Punk said it was indicative of the lack of respect he was shown by those in the company.

*Punk said wrestling Ryback took "20 years off his life" and talked in detail about how badly hurt he was working with, as Punk described him, "Steroid guy."
*WWE was afraid he was going to TNA, but his lawyer told WWE that he despises wrestling now and will never wrestle again.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 27, 2014, 08:52:40 AM
Listening to it now. Its awesome
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: KevShmev on November 27, 2014, 09:37:29 AM
While Punk probably embellished some stuff and has a big ego, I'm thinking most of what he said was true, especially about Vince and HHH.  Too many stories about those guys over the years for it not be mostly true.  HHH has never struck me as anything but an asshole, and this interview just reaffirms what I've always thought.  Vince always treats most of his wrestlers like shit.

And with Punk and Bryan gone, the product is so awful now.  I've barely watched for months, and I don't see me ever really being someone again who watches it regularly.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: jingle.boy on November 27, 2014, 09:45:29 AM

And with Punk and Bryan gone, the product is so awful now.  I've barely watched for months, and I don't see me ever really being someone again who watches it regularly.

I flipped by Raw on Monday, and saw Bryan come out in the opening segment.  Is he back full-time now?

And yeah, HHH is 10 pounds of asshole in a 5-pound bag.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 27, 2014, 09:52:00 AM

And with Punk and Bryan gone, the product is so awful now.  I've barely watched for months, and I don't see me ever really being someone again who watches it regularly.

I flipped by Raw on Monday, and saw Bryan come out in the opening segment.  Is he back full-time now?


Daniel Bryan's return is for Monday's Raw and Friday's Smackdown only. From what I understand, he has a ways to go yet.

WWE should take this is a chance to severely overhaul how they do business. Sometimes, I think they're headed in the right direction, like when they had Bryan win at WM, and when they had Dolph be the sole survivor the other night. But still, so much other bad stuff going on, none worse than an absent WWEWHC. But those are all "creative" things. What Punk shed light on (which comes as no surprise to most of us) is the overuse of antibiotics and painkillers along with how wrestlers are forced to play through injuries/concussions etc are much bigger issues that must be addressed immediately. It's 2014... get with the times!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 27, 2014, 01:32:23 PM
Oh dang, I just read this news at 411mania.com and was about to post this, but you guys are on the ball of it as usual.  Well, that sucks that what happened, happened and all.  Hopefully, Punk can be happy with his life and with AJ and move on.  I heard he's a writer for Marvel now or was that just a one-time thing?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: KevShmev on November 28, 2014, 12:35:42 PM
I would guess it's only a matter of time before A.J. Lee leaves wrestling, too.  She is probably staying until her contract is up and then she'll leave.  That has to be kind of weird for her to still be working there, knowing how poorly they treated her husband - all of that stuff with the doctors not taking care of him properly and firing him on his wedding day - and knowing how much her husband now hates the company.  Hell, if I were her, I'd be worried about Vince or HHH having one of the divas stiff her on purpose and jack her face up or something near the end of her contract.  I don't put anything past those petulant children otherwise knows as the McMahons and HHH.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: GentlemanofDread on November 28, 2014, 12:48:27 PM
The response to this has been pretty good and damning of some people.
Road Dogg only read the headlines because he made the comment "how would anyone of known he was getting married", when Punk told Trips.
Ryback is digging himself into a whole by mocking Punk.
Jericho took a shot at Colt Cabana by saying "Colt Who?" before deleting that tweet.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - TEAM PART TIME - EAT, SLEEP, WIN THE TITLE, REPEAT
Post by: Sub Luna Vitrea on November 28, 2014, 01:30:01 PM
Regardless of the overall quality of the PPV, bringing Sting out was can't miss.

I used to miss Sting every week for Monday Night Raw, back in 1998 when he was in his prime.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Dimitrius on November 28, 2014, 10:12:03 PM
WWE should take this is a chance to severely overhaul how they do business. Sometimes, I think they're headed in the right direction, like when they had Bryan win at WM, and when they had Dolph be the sole survivor the other night. But still, so much other bad stuff going on, none worse than an absent WWEWHC. But those are all "creative" things. What Punk shed light on (which comes as no surprise to most of us) is the overuse of antibiotics and painkillers along with how wrestlers are forced to play through injuries/concussions etc are much bigger issues that must be addressed immediately. It's 2014... get with the times!

Agreed. I've been in favor of some kind of offseason or forced vacation for the talent. Stack them in a way that you never miss good/top guys while others are in vacation.

There is no need for this guys to kill themselves for 4-5 days a week, absolutely no need
 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 30, 2014, 08:30:27 AM
WWE should take this is a chance to severely overhaul how they do business. Sometimes, I think they're headed in the right direction, like when they had Bryan win at WM, and when they had Dolph be the sole survivor the other night. But still, so much other bad stuff going on, none worse than an absent WWEWHC. But those are all "creative" things. What Punk shed light on (which comes as no surprise to most of us) is the overuse of antibiotics and painkillers along with how wrestlers are forced to play through injuries/concussions etc are much bigger issues that must be addressed immediately. It's 2014... get with the times!

Agreed. I've been in favor of some kind of offseason or forced vacation for the talent. Stack them in a way that you never miss good/top guys while others are in vacation.

There is no need for this guys to kill themselves for 4-5 days a week, absolutely no need

Agreed. They have so many wrestlers, that they could come up with a way to work guys in and out of the road schedule.


Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 30, 2014, 08:30:49 AM
This "New Day" garbage is just the same old shit. Take three minorities with potential and repackage them into this crap where they've got to sing and dance and be caricatures. Kofi Kingston has been on the main roster for SEVEN YEARS.... he should be a main eventer by now. If I were Booking, 2011 Little Jimmy I'll be a good R-Truth R-Truth would have been pushed through the roof and he'd have been a World Champion for sure. This shit is so sad, stale and stagnant.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: KevShmev on November 30, 2014, 11:19:11 AM
Nah, I think Kingston is actually used properly.  Not every guy is a main eventer, and Kingston does well as an upper mid-carder who always dazzles in the specialty matches like the RR and EC cause of the acrobatic things he can do. 

I agree though that the little jimmy thing they had R-Truth doing was hilarious, but he was merely fed to Cena and then buried after that.  Same old, same old.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Dimitrius on November 30, 2014, 05:16:05 PM
I agree with that R-Truth sentiment, I also thought they had something nice they could do when he and Miz paired up and had that whole conspiracy thing going.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 02, 2014, 07:17:37 PM
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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Zook on December 02, 2014, 07:23:45 PM
Zack Ryder is a loser. I don't see the appeal.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 02, 2014, 08:09:42 PM
Zack Ryder is a loser. I don't see the appeal.

Doesn't matter. He was over as fuck, and was immediately buried. So unless he did something backstage to deserve that.... it's total bs.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 04, 2014, 02:09:39 PM
Come on next Thursday!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nncCOvls0Sk

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: KevShmev on December 04, 2014, 05:08:23 PM
The fact that Zack Rydar was over just shows how dumb fans are sometimes.  That whole "woo woo" chant was the stupidest thing ever.  Sounded like something a 11-year old would come up with.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Dimitrius on December 04, 2014, 05:24:06 PM
Because screaming "yes" or "no" over and over is super original?

Stupid or not he made it work for him.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 04, 2014, 06:28:36 PM
Because screaming "yes" or "no" over and over is super original?

Stupid or not he made it work for him.

Yeah..... Zack Ryder was so much more than that chant. Long Island Iced Z is how he got so over..... but you already knew that  :angel:
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: Sub Luna Vitrea on December 05, 2014, 05:42:17 AM
I never saw the appeal of The Rock back in WWF's Attitude era. The People's Elbow looked like the dumbest thing in the world to me. His stupid catch phrases made me want to vomit. Everything about him just seemed ridiculous, not cool at all. I always wondered why he was so over, and I finally concluded that I was not the WWF's target market. My dreams of being the next Chyna shattered, I had no recourse but to go to college, study Latin and become a snobby overeducated curmudgeon.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: KevShmev on December 05, 2014, 10:28:53 PM
Because screaming "yes" or "no" over and over is super original?

I never said it was.  Neither Bryan's "YES!" nor Steve Austin's "WHAT?" were original, but both were over as hell already and added a silly, simplistic catchphrase to take advantage of being so over.

I never saw the appeal of The Rock back in WWF's Attitude era. The People's Elbow looked like the dumbest thing in the world to me. His stupid catch phrases made me want to vomit. Everything about him just seemed ridiculous, not cool at all. I always wondered why he was so over, and I finally concluded that I was not the WWF's target market. My dreams of being the next Chyna shattered, I had no recourse but to go to college, study Latin and become a snobby overeducated curmudgeon.

Well, it's all in the eye of the beholder, but while I agree that the people's elbow is a dumb-looking finisher, The Rock has the IT factor and just oozes charisma.  When a guy has the IT factor and has that kind of charisma, he can get away with that kind of simple finisher (see: Hogan's leg drop, which didn't look so simple in the 80s).
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 06, 2014, 07:17:41 AM
My dreams of being the next Chyna shattered, I had no recourse but to go to college, study Latin and become a snobby overeducated curmudgeon.

You could probably get with X-pac at this point.  :tup
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on December 07, 2014, 12:50:10 AM
CM Punk is joining the UFC (http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/11991124/cm-punk-joins-ufc-fight-2015)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 07, 2014, 05:11:22 AM
Saw that.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: KevShmev on December 07, 2014, 08:18:32 AM
I'm sure he'll be spoon fed a few equally-green UFC wannabes, but once he goes against anyone with real experience, I expect he'll be in for a major wakeup call.  I'm sure he'll make great bank for the ass-kicking he'll inevitably take though. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - CM Punk speaks
Post by: jjrock88 on December 07, 2014, 08:43:55 AM
This news will get my money.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Cool Chris on December 07, 2014, 08:47:16 PM
I would give up a whole paycheck to see Bond hit someone over the head with a chair in the next film.

(http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276352/Article/images/25153314/8729642-large.jpg)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 08, 2014, 04:15:57 PM
Cheap plug for a wrestling forum that I'm helping to start up. If you like talking wrestling much more than we do in this thread, then consider joining up!

http://thewrestlenation.b1.jcink.com/index.php
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 09, 2014, 03:19:21 PM
My wrestling related thought of the day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ope4A-U92qo&list=UUa-cuUnQJqBgSSYNEq6P_7w
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Zook on December 09, 2014, 03:40:32 PM
Seth Rollins to Seth Green: "back off kid!"

Seth Green is 12 years older than Seth Rollins.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: GentlemanofDread on December 10, 2014, 12:44:47 AM
Seth Green is also a small man,
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 11, 2014, 08:22:21 AM
Seth Rollins to Seth Green: "back off kid!"

Seth Green is 12 years older than Seth Rollins.

I'm liking Rollins more every time I see him.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 11, 2014, 02:32:58 PM
So excited that Mr. Wrestling is making his NXT debut tonight!!!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/10633841_760275277355372_4255073694806810287_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: GentlemanofDread on December 11, 2014, 02:46:59 PM
Mr Wrestling? ADAM COLE BAYBAY?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 11, 2014, 02:47:45 PM
Mr Wrestling? ADAM COLE BAYBAY?

Lol... would be great to see Austin.... err Adam, sign with WWE.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Dimitrius on December 11, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Yeah, I can't wait to watch Steen Owen and Balor and Itami!




Can someone explain to me, in kayfabe, why would Seth Rollins care at all about being #1 contender when he has the MitB briefcase?

The whole build up to this PPV (who no one should watch) has been atrocious!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 11, 2014, 04:07:26 PM
Yeah, I can't wait to watch Steen Owen and Balor and Itami!




Can someone explain to me, in kayfabe, why would Seth Rollins care at all about being #1 contender when he has the MitB briefcase?

The whole build up to this PPV (who no one should watch) has been atrocious!

I suppose that Rollins' motivation is not so much to earn a title shot (we all that he already has one) as it is to take a title shot away from Cena. Anyone's kayfabe motivation should be to beat John Cena, especially a character bent on becoming... (I hate to say it) the next big thing.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 11, 2014, 06:12:28 PM
So excited that Mr. Wrestling is making his NXT debut tonight!!!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/10633841_760275277355372_4255073694806810287_o.jpg)


K.O. killed it. WWE has another star on their hands. Hopefully they make the most out of it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 11, 2014, 06:38:52 PM
HOLY SHIT.... they let Finn break out the PAINT!!!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Jaffa on December 11, 2014, 06:48:51 PM
Can someone explain to me, in kayfabe, why would Seth Rollins care at all about being #1 contender when he has the MitB briefcase?

Well, I mean, he would have two guaranteed title shots.  Granted, if he wins the title as number one contender, MITB would be useless, but if he lost as number one contender, he'd still have MITB to fall back on. 

Actually, that could be a pretty cool scenario.  Lesnar is in the ring celebrating a successful title defense after beating Rollins, then Rollins gets back to his feet, blasts Lesnar from behind with the briefcase, and cashes in.  Curb stomp, new champion. 

I dunno.  Just a thought. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 11, 2014, 07:51:29 PM
What a fantastic show. Charlotte and Sasha did work.  And Neville and Zayn... outstanding match with superb storytelling.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Dimitrius on December 12, 2014, 02:28:20 PM
Dude that crowd was so hot during the Zayn/Neville match! Especially when Neville brought the belt in and Sami grabbed it and everyone started "NO!! NO!! NO!!" that was awesome!

If you've never saw anything WWE until last night you would think that he's the #1 guy in the company! Also, never a bad thing to have a continuation of the Steen/Generico feud, though there's no way we're getting something as brutal as their Ladder War match.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 12, 2014, 03:17:50 PM
Dude that crowd was so hot during the Zayn/Neville match! Especially when Neville brought the belt in and Sami grabbed it and everyone started "NO!! NO!! NO!!" that was awesome!

If you've never saw anything WWE until last night you would think that he's the #1 guy in the company! Also, never a bad thing to have a continuation of the Steen/Generico feud, though there's no way we're getting something as brutal as their Ladder War match.

You said it. Last night was magical.



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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 12, 2014, 08:10:34 PM
Absolutely love Finn and always have. I can't wait to see him as he continues to work.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Tables, Ladders & Chairs, and stairs, I guess.
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 15, 2014, 05:35:26 AM
A better PPV than I was expecting, with some pleasantly surprising match placement, but still many disappointments.

The Ziggler / Harper match was a great way to kick off a PPV, and that was a great match. I'm glad Ziggler won too. Harper did well considering how new he is to singles matches since splitting from Wyatt. He's my favourite of the Wyatts by far.
Mizdow continues to amuse. Shame about the screwy finish. They've done a lot of that lately.
I skipped the Big Show match, but I can only assume it sucked.
John Cena vs Rollins was a good match. I thought the bit with both of them going through the tables was going to be another screwjob finish, but as a mid match bit, it was a good little break. I wish the stooges would stay out of the matches, because Rollins doesn't need them. The double AA through the table was impressive too. Oh and I forgot that Reigns is back. Yay. Because I was really missing seeing his same 3 moves and boring promos every week. He's going to win the rumble and win at Wrestlemania, and it's going to suck.
Nikki Bella vs AJ was a predictable disappointment. Sadly very one sided.
I skipped Kane/Ryback too. See Big Show / Rowan.
The Rusev match was pointless. I didn't see the point of this rematch. It was lazy booking.
I was pleasantly shocked that they put Ambrose/Wyatt on last. Very good overall, but that finish stunk. WTF was that about? If you're going to do a screwy finish, at least have Wyatt involved, and not some random accident.

I was expecting this PPV to be as bad as Survivor Series given how rushed it was, but it wasn't bad.
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on December 15, 2014, 05:42:52 AM
Ambrose/Wyatt should of ended with Ambrose missing a very big move (elbow drop through the announcer's table, for instance) and Bray hitting the sister abigail in a big way. It was simple, but you can't have simple in WWE at the moment.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on December 15, 2014, 05:45:39 AM
That would have made too much sense. It didn't serve any purpose to do it this way, other than possibly prolonging the feud with yet another screwjob finish.
But I think Ambrose is due for a big win, and the reason for them pushing Wyatt so hard continues to elude me.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Roman Reigns......great.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 15, 2014, 06:37:10 AM
NXT R Evolution absolutely slayed TLC in every way. Not even close.

Dolph and Luke should have been the main event, all things considered.

Commence Roman Reigns being forced down out throats.
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on December 15, 2014, 06:40:58 AM
I can count who I considered on the main roster to have "stepped up" after the success of NXT R Evolution on one hand. (Harper, Ziggler, Wyatt and Ambrose.) Rollins got the typical Cena booking shenanigans and everyone else.. didn't get time, we've seen too many times before or are just dog awful.
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Post by: Dimitrius on December 15, 2014, 07:42:35 AM
Didn't watch the show, but I've read up on it. That Cena/Rollins match must've been a trainwreck!

And Reigns announcing he's in the Rumble? Way not to telegraph who's winning that, WWE!

I'll just stick to watching NXT for the foreseeable future.
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Post by: Marion Crane on December 15, 2014, 09:17:47 AM
I thought it was a very entertaining PPV.  Big Show/Rowan was better than expected.  I think some of the smarks are a little too hard on the product.  There are gonna be shitty matches on every card.  That's how you develop talent.  I think the overall WWE and NXT products have been very strong in 2014, especially considering how many top guys they've lost (Punk, Bryan, Reigns).  2015 will only be better, especially when they start adding more new/exclusive content to the network, which I still say is the best thing ever.

But yeah.....Ramen....Royal....Rain...Rambler Reigns sucks
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Post by: Jaffa on December 15, 2014, 12:11:29 PM
Regarding the finish of Ambrose/Wyatt, I actually didn't mind it.  Everyone is calling it a screwy finish, but the story it was trying to tell seemed pretty straightforward to me: Ambrose was so obsessed with hurting Wyatt that he didn't realize the TV was plugged in, and handling it so roughly came back to bite him in the ass.  This is his 'lunatic fringe' attitude getting in his own way.

Or that's my take on it, anyway. 

The match could still have had a much better ending, don't get me wrong.  I just don't think it was horrible.
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 15, 2014, 06:21:04 PM
Regarding the finish of Ambrose/Wyatt, I actually didn't mind it.  Everyone is calling it a screwy finish, but the story it was trying to tell seemed pretty straightforward to me: Ambrose was so obsessed with hurting Wyatt that he didn't realize the TV was plugged in, and handling it so roughly came back to bite him in the ass.  This is his 'lunatic fringe' attitude getting in his own way.

Or that's my take on it, anyway. 

The match could still have had a much better ending, don't get me wrong.  I just don't think it was horrible.

You're right. The finish made sense, and played to the lunatic fringe thing perfectly. But it was still an underwhelming way to end the show.

If I were running it.... I'da have the hometown kid win his ladder match in the last match, instead of the first.
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Post by: Dimitrius on December 19, 2014, 04:00:48 PM
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Kill Owens kill!
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Post by: LordCost on December 25, 2014, 05:45:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRm-2loMupM

By reading some comments on youtube I found an awesome 30-minute Ironman Match between Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose when they were in FCW!

I started watching wrestling when Evolution broke up and I stopped between Wrestlemania 24 and 25 (I bought PPVs regularly from Vengeance 2005, maybe there was a more economic way to follow WWE  ;D). After that, I watched only a few matches on youtube after reading Wrestlemania reviews and I really enjoyed the epic Undertaker matches with Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels. I regret to have missed the period when CM Punk had the belt for more than one year because he was one of my favourite wrestlers when I decided not to follow WWE anymore!
Lately, when I have time, I follow Raw or Smackdown maybe once every three weeks and I read something on internet. I regained interest  thanks to the Shield first, in particular Dean Ambrose, and then I followed most of the storyline between Daniel Bryan and the Authority. I like also Bray Wyatt and Paige from the other new entries

This week I've seen half of TLC, Charlotte vs Sasha Banks and Sami Zayn vs Adrian Neville of NXT Revolution. I rarely saw a women's match like this one and the main event was fantastic. I have registered NXT for tomorrow :)
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 29, 2014, 01:46:23 PM
One of my Christmas presents to my wife are floor seats for tonight's episode of Raw in Washington D.C. She is a HUGE Edge fan, and she has never seen him live.
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Post by: jjrock88 on December 29, 2014, 02:14:46 PM
It should be a cool show with Edge & Christian hosting
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 29, 2014, 10:53:53 PM
Fantastic show, for Raw standards. Seats were awesome, as well.

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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: jjrock88 on December 30, 2014, 12:32:27 AM
Wow amazing seats!!
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 02, 2015, 07:14:35 PM
Anybody ordering/watching NJPW's Wrestle Kingdom 9?

I shelled out money for the PPV, first time I've bought a wrestling PPV in I don't know how long!

I've bought it for two reasons: 1) JR is doing the commentary for the US broadcast. 2) Support the great stuff NJPW is doing and has for a few years now. Man, if someone found a way to broadcast more NJPW stuff in the US it could have a legitimate chance at becoming a new WCW (i.e., competition). 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 02, 2015, 07:22:09 PM
We're gonna watch it just because JR. I assume the wrestling is going to kick WWE's ass either way, but having JR calling it just elevates anything to must-see at this point.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 02, 2015, 07:23:41 PM
Not getting  the PPV but I'm sure I read somewhere that New Japan is starting a network too, just like WWE
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 02, 2015, 08:26:52 PM
Yeah, it's already up and running. Though, I can't seem to find an English version of it.

njpwworld.com
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on January 03, 2015, 05:46:48 AM
I am apparently the hipster of the internet because I'm not looking forward to Wrestle Kingdom at all.  Mainly because I've seen 90% of the matches before.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 05, 2015, 04:25:39 AM
I just finished watching Wrestle Kingdom. Damn good PPV from start to finish! There were a couple of matches in the middle that weren't as good, but even those would have been standouts at the typical WWE PPV these days.
That opening tag match was crazy, and those last two singles matches were easily among the best recent matches I've seen. A lot of variety in styles, and watching 4 hours of this was much less of a chore than a WWE PPV or even Raw is. It flew by. Having JR on commentary was just the icing on the cake.

I've also been rewatching aa lot of Rumbles lately in preparation for this year's one. The 2003 Royal Rumble would have to be the best I've seen. Amazing wrestling and pacing from start to finish. The other early 2000s ones are also great due to the big names. You know it's good when it comes down to Undertaker, Kane, Austin and Rock. They don't even have the big names to top that any more.
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on January 05, 2015, 04:33:10 AM
From Wrestle Kingdom, I'd give props to three matches: Ishii/Makabe, Naito/Styles and Nakamura/Ibushi. Though I might be biased towards Naito [He's my fav]. I don't think Tanahashi/Okada lived up to some of their previous work, and there's some problems with it. JR really helped, and hearing him say "Superkick Party" was fantastic.

Also 2001 Rumble is my favourite, I think. Or 2007.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 05, 2015, 04:44:56 AM
Ishii/Makabe was actually my least favourite, but even then, a very good match for bigger guys wrestling that style.
The opening match and the last two would be my favourites. Outside of the last two matches, I generally preferred the tag matches over the singles ones, but I wouldn't say there was a bad match among them. Nothing close to skip-worthy.

Those early 2000s Rumbles are all among the better ones I've seen. I watched the 2007 Rumble, and the ending of that was killer. The 2008 Rumble was also great, starting off with those two again.
Of the post-2000 Rumbles, 2012 is easily the worst of them imo. Barely anyone of note, and only 2 or 3 who had any real chance of winning.
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Post by: Marion Crane on January 05, 2015, 08:51:18 AM
They can't honestly think having Reigns winning the Rumble is a good idea.  He is a decent wrestler at best.  He's beyond terrible on the mic.  People are already getting sick of him.  And especially with Bryan's announcement last week, anyone else winning it will piss the crowd off even worse than last year.  The best thing for Roman Reigns right now going into WM season would be to turn him heel.  Have it payoff with a match with Ambrose at WM 31.  Maybe even a Shield triple threat match. 

My fantasy booking would have Bryan beat Lesnar at WM 31 in a classic David vs Goliath match.  Then have Rollins cash in either that same night, or the next night on Raw in front of that hot crowd.  Have Bryan and Rollins feud with the blow off match being at SummerSlam.  Hell, make it a 60 min Iron Man match for the belt and have them tear the house down. 

But they're lunatics if they think putting Reigns in the title picture right now is a good plan. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 05, 2015, 09:20:49 AM
It doesn't seem to me as if the crowd is sick of Reigns yet, but I hope they catch on before the Rumble that he's not particularly good. He's awful on the mic, and he only has a few moves, and no variety. He can't carry a 30 minute match, and has no place in the title match at Wrestlemania.

But if Daniel Bryan and Roman Reigns are both in the Rumble at the same time, I think the crowd will turn on Reigns in an instant like they did last year with Batista (and anyone else once it was apparent Bryan wasn't in it). All they could do is eliminate Bryan before Reigns even comes in, and hope for the best. I don't expect either guy will be in the Rumble for too long no matter how they book it, so they better be careful.
In a perfect world, Bryan would win the Rumble and make the big comeback rather than Reigns, but I have no delusions of that at all at this stage.
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Post by: Marion Crane on January 05, 2015, 09:37:27 AM
I don't know man....I really think if you eliminate Bryan from the Rumble it's gonna be SUPER tough to get the crowd back into it.  He's still that over. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 05, 2015, 09:41:32 AM
I don't know man....I really think if you eliminate Bryan from the Rumble it's gonna be SUPER tough to get the crowd back into it.  He's still that over. 

I agree completely. I just meant the best case scenario for Reigns to win the Rumble is for them to keep him and Bryan as far apart in the Rumble as possible, to give the crowd as much time as possible to accept that somebody else is winning the Rumble.
I'm not sure it will necessarily work (and I hope not), but it's all they could do if they want to stick to Reigns. I was going to say they could just take Bryan out of the Rumble, but I think that would cause an even bigger backlash. :lol It didn't help last year!
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Post by: Marion Crane on January 05, 2015, 09:57:26 AM
They'd also have to have Reigns eliminate someone the crowd really wants to see lose to win it
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 05, 2015, 11:37:27 AM
Yeah WK9 was great! That opening match was insane! And the last 3 matches were all great! Though I would've love Ibushi/Nakamura to have gone longer, I love watching Ibushi man! That dude can literally get a great match out of a blow up doll (google it). Kenny Omega is basically a video game villain and I love it!

Also, loved JR! The little underhanded jabs thrown here and there like "The champions, as they always should be, coming to the ring last" were great! :lol
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 05, 2015, 10:10:52 PM
Also, loved JR! The little underhanded jabs thrown here and there like "The champions, as they always should be, coming to the ring last" were great! :lol

I noticed lots of subtle little comments like that. :lol But as usual JR was all class, and there were still positive mentions too. WWE has been taking subtle pot shots at JR since he left too.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on January 07, 2015, 08:40:49 AM
Loved WK9. I'll take that over that WWE non-sense any day. New japan is something I can actually respect.
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 16, 2015, 09:09:54 AM
A new one hour show on NJPW debuts tonight on AXS TV, so far it's just some of the best matches from the past 2 years but I encourage anyone to watch it!

Tanahashi vs Okada from WK7 is the match being showed tonight!!
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 16, 2015, 09:13:11 AM
I've got Wrestle Kingdom 8 ready to watch. I can't wait to see that title match! Those two put on such a good show in their respective matches at WK9, so I can't wait to see them together.

I've also just gotten into Lucha Underground. That's the kind of wrestling I like!
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Post by: Zook on January 16, 2015, 02:23:24 PM
Does anyone know which Raw it was that CM Punk was referring to where Ryback missed the table and dumped him on the floor?
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on January 16, 2015, 02:49:56 PM
September 23, 2013.
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Post by: Cool Chris on January 16, 2015, 02:50:57 PM
Randy "Macho Man" Savage finally headed to the HoF.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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Post by: Zook on January 16, 2015, 03:20:04 PM
September 23, 2013.

Thanks. :metal

Poor Punk.
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 16, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
September 23, 2013.

Thanks. :metal

Poor Punk.

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Post by: Phoenix87x on January 16, 2015, 06:24:23 PM
"dumb as fuck..."
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 16, 2015, 06:39:09 PM
Randy "Macho Man" Savage finally headed to the HoF.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

cool news!!
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Post by: Zook on January 16, 2015, 06:43:57 PM
Did he hit his head on that blue cart too?
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 16, 2015, 07:19:23 PM
It seems like when he hit the side of the table and broke the end part of it came up and hit the back of his head.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 16, 2015, 08:20:45 PM
Ryback is a dipshit who can't wrestle.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 16, 2015, 08:23:32 PM
Randy Savage in the HOF is too little, too late.  It should have been done years ago when he was still alive, and it seems more like a FU at CM Punk, since he was the one modern guy who did a tribute to Savage in the ring (the flying elbow, which always got the crowd to chant Savage's name), and they induct Savage immediately after Punk had his falling out with the company (his firing was months after last year's HOF thing).  The timing is just too suspect, and we all know what a spiteful dick Vince is.  Plus, the word is that Hulk Hogan will be the one inducting him, which is even dumber, since Savage supposedly hated Hogan in real life.
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Post by: Jaffa on January 16, 2015, 08:26:40 PM
Honestly, that sounds a bit paranoid to me.  I mean, if they finally got it worked out with Savage's family, what should they do, wait a year for the Punk thing to blow over?  Makes sense to me to do it as soon as possible. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 16, 2015, 08:28:30 PM
I don't think the timing has to do with CM Punk, but I wouldn't put anything past WWE.
Austin asked McMahon about Savage being inducted on his WWE Network podcast a few months ago, and McMahon said it would happen at some point, but probably not the next one. Maybe it snowballed from there after Austin raised the question. That was a great interview btw. Austin didn't hold back anything, but he didn't push to the point of badgering either. There was also the recent Randy Savage DVD, so it may have all been part of the deal with his estate anyway.

They'll probably keep Hogan on the leash and script his entire induction speech too.
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Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 23, 2015, 11:19:14 PM
I'm really pulling for Ziggler or Ambrose to win the rumble.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 23, 2015, 11:26:23 PM
I'm really pulling for Ziggler or Ambrose to win the rumble.

Not gonna happen, but I'd love to see either of those guys win a Rumble at some point. They're not happy with Ziggler at the moment after he did some standup gigs or something, which is why they took the IC belt off him. They don't know what they're doing with Ambrose lately.

It's still going to be Roman Reigns, and if not, maybe they'll wise up and it will be Daniel Bryan. The comeback story there writes itself, but they haven't played it up near as much as they should have. I'm hoping the Philly crowd tears it apart like last year's Rumble when Bryan gets eliminated. But for some reason Reigns is still really over despite his awful promos and boring matches.

Also, this must be posted. So much truth here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB3wzO4NWEg
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Post by: Marion Crane on January 24, 2015, 09:37:15 AM
Yeah it's gonna be Reigns or Bryan.  Hopefully Bryan if they wanna avoid the same boo fest they got last year
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on January 24, 2015, 09:47:11 AM
If Reigns does win, and has his rumoured tag match at Fast Lane, Wrestlemania will be his second singles match.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 24, 2015, 09:52:29 AM
If Reigns does win, and has his rumoured tag match at Fast Lane, Wrestlemania will be his second singles match.

And his first one with Orton stunk. I know he's been out for a while, but still, he hasn't evolved one bit since leaving the shield. Same music, same attire, same 4 moves, same bad promos.
Daniel Bryan isn't great at promos either, but he's gotten over with consistently impressive matches, and doesn't look to have dialed it back at all since returning.

Interestingly, there are no one on one matches at the Royal Rumble this year. The title match is a triple threat, and the rest are tag matches, plus the rumble itself.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 24, 2015, 10:46:58 AM
Bryan is so awesome in the ring that he doesn't have to be great at promos.  Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels, neither of whom were ever that good at promos, were similar in that regard.
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Post by: Marion Crane on January 24, 2015, 11:47:37 AM
Roman Reign's "push" reminds me so much of when they shoved Rocky down our throats in 96-97.  Didn't work and the crowd turned on him.  Best thing for The Rock's career was turning heel and feuding with Austin.

Best thing for Reigns' career at this point would be for him to turn heel and feud with Ambrose.  It would get them both over big time.  Reigns could cut a promo talking about how Ambrose stole his spot while he was hurt, etc.....or some version of that. 

Other than that, he's becoming more and more worthless every appearance. 
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 24, 2015, 12:06:21 PM
Roman really needs to change things up; the Rocky comparison is right on.

Both Dean and Seth have changed thier gear, music, etc and moved away from the Shield.  Roman still has the same look, gimmick and its holding him from going to the next level
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 24, 2015, 09:51:36 PM
Bryan is so awesome in the ring that he doesn't have to be great at promos.  Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels, neither of whom were ever that good at promos, were similar in that regard.

Shawn Michaels was good with promos, especially later on, but Bret Hart is the perfect comparison for Bryan. Bret Hart even admits that his mic skills were his weakness, but despite what Vince McMahon wants to believe, the wrestling is ultimately what people want to see, not storylines and promos. Those are all just there to enhance the wrestling, not to be a substitute.
Daniel Bryan was the most over guy they had before he got injured, but they're just going to keep pushing him aside, because he's not the roided up beefcake that Vince thinks sells. Heck, Mick Foley wouldn't have even been hired if it weren't for JR nagging him constantly, and Vince still only hired him to prove JR wrong. Unfortunately he's still none the wiser.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: KevShmev on January 25, 2015, 06:13:04 AM
I haven't watched at all for a while, but with Bryan back, I'll probably tune in tomorrow to see what they did with the Rumble, and the Rumble through WM season is usually really good anyway.  I've read that supposedly Reigns has been awful lately, which means we can expect him to win the Rumble tonight and headline WM, right? :lol :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 25, 2015, 09:03:46 AM
I'm thinking that Brock retains, Bryan wins the Rumble... and we have the ultimate David vs. Goliath for WM31.

I'd also be cool with seeing either Ziggler, Ambrose, or Wyatt winning the Rumble.

I would be THRILLED to see someone from complete left field like Kofi. But... let's get back to reality.

I think that Bryan was thrust back on TV and into the Rumble match because people aren't buying Reigns as a top guy yet. But even then, I wouldn't put it past WWE to shove him down our throat.

I also think we'll see Miz get eliminated from the Rumble, and then Mizdow, on the other side of the ring, will eliminate himself. Comedic gold. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 25, 2015, 09:16:41 AM
I also think we'll see Miz get eliminated from the Rumble, and then Mizdow, on the other side of the ring, will eliminate himself. Comedic gold. 

I think they'll actually have something where through Mizdow's antics he eliminates Miz himself, or he doesn't eliminate himself after Miz gets eliminated, something to set up a singles match between them, possibly at WM.

I've been saying a lot lately that I'd love to see someone completely unexpected win it, with Kofi actually being my pick. He's so damn entertaining in Rumbles, and I think people would dig it. They don't even need him to go to Wrestlemania, there are any number of ways he could lose the spot or it could be a 3 or 4 man match, but it would be great to be seriously surprised for once.

I don't think they're having any doubts about Reigns yet unfortunately, and he's still getting over, at least during his entrance. It will no doubt be either Reigns or Bryan winning it, but I wouldn't be betting on Bryan, even though I want that more than anything else. It would be the ultimate underdog comeback after being stripped of the belt and being out with injury.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: Dimitrius on January 25, 2015, 01:12:49 PM
I'd love for Rollins to win the title! He's been the company's #1 heel since breaking off from The Shield and he's been absolutely terrific at it! Cena can win, Brock destroys him and then leaves, Rollins cashes in. I think it would be a good swerve for the crowd too, if Cena wins in Philly he's getting booed worse than Batista last year.

A Rollins/Bryan match at WM would be one hell of a match!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: jjrock88 on January 25, 2015, 03:25:37 PM
I kind of hoped that Kurt Angle wouldn't have resigned with TNA. Tonight would have been a great time for him to return
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: Dimitrius on January 25, 2015, 08:09:46 PM
Unless there's a swerve coming, WWE did not learn its lesson last year...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: KevShmev on January 25, 2015, 08:28:16 PM
INB4 The Rock.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: Dimitrius on January 25, 2015, 08:35:33 PM
Wow, they're really go with Reigns... wow!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: Dimitrius on January 25, 2015, 08:38:06 PM
By the way, Big Show and Kane in the final four... in 2015!

EDIT: lol you know you fucked up when not even The Rock can save the segment!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: Zook on January 25, 2015, 08:56:16 PM
At least the triple threat match was awesome.

Also, why develop mic skills when you can just have The Rock do them for you?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: KevShmev on January 25, 2015, 08:59:25 PM
Reading  the reaction on twitter, all I have to say is, LOL at anyone who gives the WWE money for ANYTHING, whether it be the WWE network, live shows, merchandise, etc.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: Dimitrius on January 25, 2015, 09:01:53 PM
Man, it would be amazing to read that tomorrow morning the WWE subscription falls off a cliff! :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - BRING BACK BRYAN! BRING BACK THE AUTHORITY! REIGN IT IN!
Post by: jjrock88 on January 25, 2015, 09:03:46 PM
Show was still worth is for the title match. Amazing!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Syzzle on January 26, 2015, 03:26:44 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8QCvXLCEAAz7nm.jpg)

Also #CancelWWENetwork was the #1 trend on twitter, and the page to cancel the WWE network crashed  :lol

There's also rumors going around that fans were blocking WWE talents cars, and not letting them leave everyone was pretty pissed off.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2015, 04:10:33 AM
How over does a guy need to be before you take the fucking hint, WWE? That was 2 years in a row the Royal Rumble match was a complete trainwreck because they didn't do what's "best for business". They're clueless.

I predicted it. The only way they could book it was to put Bryan in early and hope the crowd gets over it, and when you have him come in at a nowhere early spot like #10, of course he's not going to win it. But that didn't work. Thank you, Philadelphia. The only saving grace of the Rumble.
Not even The Rock could save the WWE's new poster boy from getting unanimous boos. Try to ram your person of choice down audience's throats, and that's what you get. When your final 3 is Roman Reigns and Kane and The Big Show, you could bet your life on the winner. As if Kane or Big Show are ever winning a Rumble! Did they think having him eliminate two big guys was going to put him over? The audience do not care for big guys, either heel or face.
Ziggler comes in #30 and gets unceremoniously dumped out of the ring. That'll teach him to do a stand-up gig. Best for business my ass.

It's a shame they fucked that up so badly, because the title match before it is one of the best matches they've had in a long time, and by far Lesnar's best match since his return. Forget Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins is your next star. That guy put on an incredible show, and they were smart enough to make him look strong despite being pinned. All 3 of those guys put on an impressive show.

Here's to Rollins cashing in the briefcase immediately after Reigns' predictable and undeserved Wrestlemania win and taking the belt.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Dimitrius on January 26, 2015, 04:24:09 AM
I said before, you fucked up when not even The Rock can save the segment, also, when the crowd starts chanting for the guy who hates America... in the birthplace of America.

Ziggler and Ambrose's elimination was like the WWE purposefully sent a "fuck you" to the fans. "Oh you like these guys, well watch Big Show and Kane just dropped them out of the ring like they are dolls".

#CancelWWENetwork is still the #2 trend in the US. That makes me so happy!
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2015, 04:30:22 AM
Speaking of which, that was weird with Rusev still being in it and then just getting thrown right back out. It was like that last little chance for them to surprise us, but it was just so Reigns could have another chance with the crowd after sucking up some Rock heat. It didn't work either.

I cannot wait for the fallout on Raw.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Dimitrius on January 26, 2015, 04:38:54 AM
Yeah, I'll probably watch Raw to see what they do after this debacle. But probably a stream or wait and download the episode later though, they don't deserve my TV rating.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2015, 04:43:22 AM
Last year they scrambled in the Wrestlemania lead-up and put Daniel Bryan in the title match. The response to this year's Rumble was far worse, so I'm interested to see what happens in the next 2 months.
Having Reigns get the obvious win against a most likely departing Lesnar in what would no doubt will be a stinkfest of a match would not be a good way to end their biggest PPV of the year.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Dimitrius on January 26, 2015, 04:45:43 AM
It would have an even worse reception than the Lesnar/Goldberg match!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Bruinsfan25 on January 26, 2015, 05:17:08 AM
Ok, so I never post here but I felt like I had to bring up a few things: Curtis Axel never got eliminated, I'd rather have him win than Reigns; Why not have Bubba Ray and D-von (assuming you could sign them both) attack the Ascension so we can maybe add another tag to the awful tag division instead of Miz and Mizdow vs the Usos every week? Why wasn't Randy Orton brought in to either the Rumble or the triple threat match to add something? Not that the title match really needed anything, I thought it was fantastic. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2015, 05:35:33 AM
Ok, so I never post here but I felt like I had to bring up a few things: Curtis Axel never got eliminated, I'd rather have him win than Reigns; Why not have Bubba Ray and D-von (assuming you could sign them both) attack the Ascension so we can maybe add another tag to the awful tag division instead of Miz and Mizdow vs the Usos every week? Why wasn't Randy Orton brought in to either the Rumble or the triple threat match to add something? Not that the title match really needed anything, I thought it was fantastic. Just my two cents.

I've recently watched every single Rumble from 1997 onwards (and some of the ones before that), and it's very common for someone to be taken out so someone could take their place, and it's never been an issue. It's pro wrestling, so the rules are whatever they want them to be. :lol

There have been times when wrestlers have been eliminated by non participants, and it didn't count as an elimination. In more recent times, it does count. There have been cases where people have left the match without technically being eliminated, and it's been ignored. Sometimes they come back later on. The "both feet touching the floor" rule was never even a thing until the year Michaels decided to pull the hanging on trick.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Bruinsfan25 on January 26, 2015, 06:04:24 AM
Ok, so I never post here but I felt like I had to bring up a few things: Curtis Axel never got eliminated, I'd rather have him win than Reigns; Why not have Bubba Ray and D-von (assuming you could sign them both) attack the Ascension so we can maybe add another tag to the awful tag division instead of Miz and Mizdow vs the Usos every week? Why wasn't Randy Orton brought in to either the Rumble or the triple threat match to add something? Not that the title match really needed anything, I thought it was fantastic. Just my two cents.

I've recently watched every single Rumble from 1997 onwards (and some of the ones before that), and it's very common for someone to be taken out so someone could take their place, and it's never been an issue. It's pro wrestling, so the rules are whatever they want them to be. :lol

There have been times when wrestlers have been eliminated by non participants, and it didn't count as an elimination. In more recent times, it does count. There have been cases where people have left the match without technically being eliminated, and it's been ignored. Sometimes they come back later on. The "both feet touching the floor" rule was never even a thing until the year Michaels decided to pull the hanging on trick.

I know it's happened in past Rumbles, just pointing out that I'd rather not have 2 months of terrible Reigns promos. I think it'd be hilarious for Curtis Axel to try and use not having been eliminated to draw some heat, although we all know that it won't happen.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2015, 06:16:51 AM
I know it's happened in past Rumbles, just pointing out that I'd rather not have 2 months of terrible Reigns promos. I think it'd be hilarious for Curtis Axel to try and use not having been eliminated to draw some heat, although we all know that it won't happen.

Oh yeah, that would be hilarious to see. :lol But they wouldn't have even acknowledged his existence but for needing a throwaway spot for Rowan to take over.

Hopefully the response at the Rumble is the turning point for Reigns being over, and may lead to them changing their plans again.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Dimitrius on January 26, 2015, 09:46:32 AM
We need to bring attention to this issue! #Axelgate, get it trending!

I did noticed that and was hoping that it would somehow turn into a swerve for Bryan to come back in.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: KevShmev on January 26, 2015, 03:55:35 PM
Think the Rock was stunned by him and Reigns getting booed last night?

(http://abload.de/img/untitled-4b5u5o.gif)

It shows how awful the Rumble must have been when even the Rock gets booed. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Dimitrius on January 26, 2015, 05:35:48 PM
I feel the need to say: I like Roman, from what I've seen in pictures and read he seems like a nice guy and a devoted father. I loved Roman in The Shield, he was without a doubt the best hot tag in the business during that time and I believe that when The Shield and the Wyatts where staring down each other in the ring it would not have felt the same if Roman hadn't been the guy in the middle.

But we ALL can see that he's not ready! He fumbles and forgets lines constantly in promos ("sufferin' succotash, son!" not withstanding which by the way, that seriously must've been a Jericho promo from 2001 they had lying around) and he doesn't even have 4 moves of doom, much less five. As much as the IWC loves to criticize Cena (fairly and unfairly) you put Cena with a quality opponent and and he will give you a great fucking match! (Punk/MitB 2011, Bryan/SS13, Edge, last night's 3-way) which is not the case with Reigns right now. Not even Cesaro could get a great match out of him!! And Vinny Mac has the gall to say in that Austin podcast that the fans tell him what to do! And he has the stupidity and arrogance to actually let his chosen "next big thing" win in front of a smart crowd! :lol 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 26, 2015, 05:50:12 PM
I feel the need to say: I like Roman, from what I've seen in pictures and read he seems like a nice guy and a devoted father. I loved Roman in The Shield, he was without a doubt the best hot tag in the business during that time and I believe that when The Shield and the Wyatts where staring down each other in the ring it would not have felt the same if Roman hadn't been the guy in the middle.

But we ALL can see that he's not ready! He fumbles and forgets lines constantly in promos ("sufferin' succotash, son!" not withstanding which by the way, that seriously must've been a Jericho promo from 2001 they had lying around) and he doesn't even have 4 moves of doom, much less five. As much as the IWC loves to criticize Cena (fairly and unfairly) you put Cena with a quality opponent and and he will give you a great fucking match! (Punk/MitB 2011, Bryan/SS13, Edge, last night's 3-way) which is not the case with Reigns right now. Not even Cesaro could get a great match out of him!! And Vinny Mac has the gall to say in that Austin podcast that the fans tell him what to do! And he has the stupidity and arrogance to actually let his chosen "next big thing" win in front of a smart crowd! :lol


I'm with you. I don't have any ill will towards Roman whatsoever. My beef's with creative, or lack therof. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 26, 2015, 07:18:18 PM
Overall, I like reigns and think he's got potential, but he is no where near ready for this.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: KevShmev on January 26, 2015, 07:47:59 PM
Right, it's not his fault that Vince is pushing him too hard too fast. 

Interesting that they are showing the Rumble for free on RAW tonight.  Bryan just got eliminated, and the gasp from the crowd was deafening.  Getting ready for some boos. :lol :lol
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Post by: ozzy554 on January 26, 2015, 07:56:24 PM
Right, it's not his fault that Vince is pushing him too hard too fast. 

Interesting that they are showing the Rumble for free on RAW tonight.  Bryan just got eliminated, and the gasp from the crowd was deafening.  Getting ready for some boos. :lol :lol

 I feel the same way. This is another of many questionable and or baffling creative decisions by Vince lately.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2015, 09:08:54 PM
It's nothing against Reigns personally, and some people have incorrectly tried to argue that fans are fickle for cheering him in the Rumble last year, then booing him this year. But that completely misses the point.

People cheered Reigns last year, because he was the last alternative to the guy they were trying to obviously ram down our throats as the returning good guy last year, Batista. And The Shield was very over at the time, despite being a heel faction, and it would have been a pleasant surprise to see someone like that win it. But he still wouldn't have been ready for a push.

Fast forward a year, and the Shield have split up, and Reigns has had a total of one singles match against Orton before getting injured, and it sucked. He's clearly not ready for a 20-30 minute singles match. On top of that, since returning he has had a string of embarrassingly bad promos that have shown that he's not ready on the mic either, and have been a major WTF.
In the meantime, Ambrose and Rollins have worked their asses off and become potential stars, good on the mic, good in the ring, and get a response from the crowd. But from the moment The Shield split up, the plan was always for Reigns to be the next top guy, and they've stuck to it despite him being out with injuries for the better part of the year, and despite his total lack of progress in any regard. This is the sign of a company that doesn't adapt or evolve or listen to fans. They live in a bubble. They made up their minds at the time, and they haven't taken note of what's happened since.
And they've shunned Bryan with the excuse that he's not a top guy due to getting injured. Because their biggest star of all time Steve Austin was never out for the same amount of time with a career threatening neck injury. HHH was never out twice for a quad injury. Nope, top guys don't get injuries.
You'd have to be allergic to making money to overlook the most over guy in the company in the past decade, especially when their chosen top guy of the past decade, Cena, hasn't been without boos for the better part of that time. It was unanimous booing at the Rumble match, too.

And the RR match had a ton of deserving people get treated like total crap to make Reigns look as good as possible. Bryan gets booted out as early as possible because they knew the fans wouldn't be happy about it, yet they did it anyway. Ziggler gets the #30 spot, not to give him a good opportunity in the final moments of the Rumble, but to give him as little time as possible in the ring, and for him to get tossed out two minutes later literally like a piece of garbage by Big Show and Kane, same with Wyatt (even though I think nothing of him, but at least he got a good run), and Cesaro. It's frustrating as a fan to see the company time and time again overlook so many talented guys that the fans love, all because WWE doesn't care who the fans like, they want to continue to try to tell us who we like, and treat potential moneymakers like crap because of petty personal vendettas. This is not what's "best for business" at all.

People turned on this Rumble not just because the wrong guy won, but because the rest of the Rumble match suffered so greatly and obviously to make it happen. It was entirely booked knowing the fans wouldn't be happy about any of it, and trying to minimize the damage so they could stubbornly stick to what they wanted, instead of what the fans wanted. That doesn't mean you always have to give the fans exactly what they want by any means, but at least don't spit in their faces in the process. Bryan's WM win was all the sweeter for fans last year because he had to fight for it, instead of just instantly making him champion like fans wanted. WWE were lucky they managed to turn that around, but they should always have a greater plan that takes into account what the fans want to see.
This Rumble insulted the intelligence of the fans by thinking we'd have the memory span of a goldfish after Bryan's elimination, and cheer once they dangled their chosen one in front of us. Then as damage control, they thought they could simply transfer The Rock's heat onto Roman Reigns just because they get buddy buddy in the ring. How easily manipulated do they think the fans are?

They brought this on themselves two years in a row by not respecting their audience, resulting in twice the RR match has been a trainwreck to the point of being newsworthy. This is not good publicity for WWE, and like last year, they'll need to do better to avoid a disaster at WM.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: GentlemanofDread on January 27, 2015, 01:54:26 AM
I'm going to say, the sitdown interviews on Raw were very good, and I though that aspect of Raw was a good cover for the fact they couldn't host a show due to the travel ban in CT.

Plus Ambrose walked from Philly to there in kayfabe and that's incredible.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 27, 2015, 02:48:57 AM
They were actually lucky to have this buffer week after the Rumble. I thought they did a decent job of trying to address the fans' concerns head on without sugar coating it. Reigns spoke about the fan response, although taking the Cena approach isn't going to work for him any better than it has for Cena. Cena handles that stuff like only a pro can.

Bryan's interview was excellent, and didn't feel scripted, and really spoke directly to what the fans are thinking. It actually makes it feel like they have plans for Bryan in the long term after all. I think it would feel too forced and repetitive to try and shoehorn him in to WM as champion, but after that, they better do something with him.

Brock was solid, and Heyman was gold as usual. They better keep that man around after Brock leaves. Have Rollins cash in the briefcase in WM, Heyman can be his new manager, and have Reigns and Bryan chasing the title all year.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Dimitrius on January 27, 2015, 06:13:34 AM
Rollins has been the best damn heel in the company since The Shield broke up. He can handle the mic and is a god in the ring (granted, I'm a bit biased towards him), he has EARN, more than anyone else, a title run!

I've been actually surprise with Ambrose's babyface run in that it has worked. He's still kinda weird to watch in the ring, but I guess that's part of the character. Anyway, when he finally goes heel it's gonna be delicious!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Marion Crane on January 27, 2015, 11:33:29 AM
Ambrose's promo last night was brilliant.  He's so good. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 27, 2015, 01:27:20 PM
It's nothing against Reigns personally, and some people have incorrectly tried to argue that fans are fickle for cheering him in the Rumble last year, then booing him this year. But that completely misses the point.

People cheered Reigns last year, because he was the last alternative to the guy they were trying to obviously ram down our throats as the returning good guy last year, Batista. And The Shield was very over at the time, despite being a heel faction, and it would have been a pleasant surprise to see someone like that win it. But he still wouldn't have been ready for a push.

Fast forward a year, and the Shield have split up, and Reigns has had a total of one singles match against Orton before getting injured, and it sucked. He's clearly not ready for a 20-30 minute singles match. On top of that, since returning he has had a string of embarrassingly bad promos that have shown that he's not ready on the mic either, and have been a major WTF.
In the meantime, Ambrose and Rollins have worked their asses off and become potential stars, good on the mic, good in the ring, and get a response from the crowd. But from the moment The Shield split up, the plan was always for Reigns to be the next top guy, and they've stuck to it despite him being out with injuries for the better part of the year, and despite his total lack of progress in any regard. This is the sign of a company that doesn't adapt or evolve or listen to fans. They live in a bubble. They made up their minds at the time, and they haven't taken note of what's happened since.
And they've shunned Bryan with the excuse that he's not a top guy due to getting injured. Because their biggest star of all time Steve Austin was never out for the same amount of time with a career threatening neck injury. HHH was never out twice for a quad injury. Nope, top guys don't get injuries.
You'd have to be allergic to making money to overlook the most over guy in the company in the past decade, especially when their chosen top guy of the past decade, Cena, hasn't been without boos for the better part of that time. It was unanimous booing at the Rumble match, too.

And the RR match had a ton of deserving people get treated like total crap to make Reigns look as good as possible. Bryan gets booted out as early as possible because they knew the fans wouldn't be happy about it, yet they did it anyway. Ziggler gets the #30 spot, not to give him a good opportunity in the final moments of the Rumble, but to give him as little time as possible in the ring, and for him to get tossed out two minutes later literally like a piece of garbage by Big Show and Kane, same with Wyatt (even though I think nothing of him, but at least he got a good run), and Cesaro. It's frustrating as a fan to see the company time and time again overlook so many talented guys that the fans love, all because WWE doesn't care who the fans like, they want to continue to try to tell us who we like, and treat potential moneymakers like crap because of petty personal vendettas. This is not what's "best for business" at all.

People turned on this Rumble not just because the wrong guy won, but because the rest of the Rumble match suffered so greatly and obviously to make it happen. It was entirely booked knowing the fans wouldn't be happy about any of it, and trying to minimize the damage so they could stubbornly stick to what they wanted, instead of what the fans wanted. That doesn't mean you always have to give the fans exactly what they want by any means, but at least don't spit in their faces in the process. Bryan's WM win was all the sweeter for fans last year because he had to fight for it, instead of just instantly making him champion like fans wanted. WWE were lucky they managed to turn that around, but they should always have a greater plan that takes into account what the fans want to see.
This Rumble insulted the intelligence of the fans by thinking we'd have the memory span of a goldfish after Bryan's elimination, and cheer once they dangled their chosen one in front of us. Then as damage control, they thought they could simply transfer The Rock's heat onto Roman Reigns just because they get buddy buddy in the ring. How easily manipulated do they think the fans are?

They brought this on themselves two years in a row by not respecting their audience, resulting in twice the RR match has been a trainwreck to the point of being newsworthy. This is not good publicity for WWE, and like last year, they'll need to do better to avoid a disaster at WM.


I just wanted to say that this is spot on and perfect...... might end up stealing it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Marion Crane on January 27, 2015, 02:12:16 PM
Miz and Mizdow should have been 1 and 2.  Without a doubt.  I've been seeing that coming for months.  Also, if you have Orton backstage and dressed to wrestle, why not have him enter the Rumble, especially right after DDP did the Diamond Cutter to like 5 dudes.  Same with Bo Dallas.  Feed him to Wyatt instead of Sin Cara.  Everyone would have marked out.  Missed opportunities there.

But yeah Blob, you're spot on. 
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Post by: KevShmev on January 27, 2015, 03:58:19 PM
Miz and R-Truth, two guys who are such afterthoughts, being 1 and 2 was laughable.  The Rumble needs to start with some excitement, not two bozos who lack the ability to excite fans (other than Truth's stupid "What's up?" chant).

Having fan favorites like Ambrose, Ziggler and even Wyatt just tossed out of the ring like they were trash was such awful writing.  Obviously, the point was to make Reigns look even better by overcoming the two guys who were eliminating the others with such ease, but it failed miserably.  It looked like sophomoric writing.

I get why they brought Bryan back for the Rumble; his presence alone probably resulted in more buys, but bringing him back to have eliminated like that did nothing but piss most fans off.  Him not winning could have worked had they done it right, but they seemingly did everything wrong.

Oh, and you can tell Bryan is being a lot more careful.  When he does that running dropkick, where he runs from one corner to the other, he is landing a lot more safely now, turning on his way down so he doesn't land on his back or neck.  I wonder if he'll still do that missile dropkick off the top rope, a move that is nearly impossible to do without landing on your back. 
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Post by: Phoenix87x on January 27, 2015, 04:14:15 PM
As gimmicky as it is, I have to admit that I really enjoy Mizdow.
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 27, 2015, 07:47:32 PM
As gimmicky as it is, I have to admit that I really enjoy Mizdow.

I think it may have saved his career.  He's doing great with the gimmick
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 27, 2015, 08:30:34 PM
Yeah, Mizdow is great! Making chicken salad out of chicken shit.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 27, 2015, 10:05:59 PM
I just wanted to say that this is spot on and perfect...... might end up stealing it.

Go right ahead.


I've watched a lot of Rumbles lately, and the first two spots are really important to setting the tone of the Rumble. I was expecting them to go with either Bryan or Ziggler in the opening spot.

Starting with Bryan would have started off with a bang, and I knew they were going to get him out of the way as possible. But they didn't want to establish the guy who goes on a good run and lasts a while, and they didn't want Bryan to establish that momentum and get the crowd onside uncontested from the start. They figured the longer he's in, the more disappointed fans will be when he gets eliminated. All it did was make it more obvious early on that Reigns was the winner.

Ziggler would also have been a great choice, because they seem to have valued Ziggler lately in the opening spot to get the crowd pumped, and it would have fit perfectly with the storyline of the Authority punishing him for helping team Cena at Survivor Series. But again, he would have gained too much support from the crowd. The #30 spot was a poor choice though, because when you put a guy that popular in that late, there's no way you can expect them to get on board with Reigns.

They didn't allow anyone else to look good, because it was the only way they could push Reigns, and the only time they let anyone look strong was so Reigns looked even stronger by defeating them. They weren't just pushing Reigns, they buried everyone else in the process. They can't multitask, and think about more than one guy at a time, which is how they've managed to paint themselves into a corner and end up with no main eventers in their title scene other than Cena and Lesnar.
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Post by: Marion Crane on January 28, 2015, 10:29:22 AM
I don't know...they made Wyatt look super strong until he was eliminated. 
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Post by: KevShmev on January 28, 2015, 07:46:08 PM
The Rumble disaster aside, I think it is important to remember that you don't have to get a "fake" win to be put over.  Wyatt did look strong for most of the Rumble, even if his elimination was similar to that of Ambrose and Ziggler (being tossed out of the ring like trash).  Flair used to put wrestlers over all of the time in the 80s, even when the other guy would lose (or in the case of Sting in '88, battle to a draw).  Hell, even Hogan would often allow himself to be dominated for much of a match before hulking up and winning. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 28, 2015, 09:39:44 PM
Wyatt was I think the only one who got a good run, but I don't think he looked that impressive in doing so, especially with his exit.
Beyond that, they just didn't let anyone look good. They didn't start off with good people who could have a decent run, they didn't let anyone get a lot of eliminations, they only made Big Show and Kane look good to make Reigns look better. But it didn't really help Reigns to have him up against the Rumble's most prolific jobbers, because it was so transparent, and such a typical misguided Vince McMahon thought process.

There have been many Rumbles that were great despite a poor choice of winner. The 40 man Rumble that Del Rio won was actually one of the best ones imo, even though Del Rio is about the least deserving winner in history. But the rest of the Rumble was well thought out, it had a lot of good stories to it, and it was entertaining throughout.
For this Rumble they didn't give the fans a chance to latch onto anyone else, ignoring so much potential to elevate a lot of guys. At least they did a good job with Miz/Mizdow, but those guys were never in competition with Reigns as potential winners. Mizdow did get the biggest pop after Bryan got eliminated though, so maybe they should have gone with him. :P
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Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 29, 2015, 03:59:23 PM
You're all ignoring the best part of the rumble. Cena didn't win.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 29, 2015, 09:17:16 PM
I would have even preferred Cena to win, but I doubt the crowd would have reacted any better. :lol
The guy was already in the title match (and every other for the past year), so like he needed yet another opportunity!
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Post by: Jaffa on January 29, 2015, 09:23:55 PM
I'm hearing buzz about a possible Bryan vs. Ziggler match at Wrestlemania. 

:caffeine:
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 29, 2015, 09:28:22 PM
I'm hearing buzz about a possible Bryan vs. Ziggler match at Wrestlemania. 

:caffeine:

So am I. That would be much better than their original plan of sticking Bryan against Sheamus.
Even though it's a throwaway plan that would probably put them in the opening slot with about 7 minutes of ring time, Ziggler vs Bryan would easily steal the show, and remind people that Bryan should be in the title scene (and hey, I'd argue Ziggler too). Put that together with the most disliked WM match since last time Lesnar left the company, and you've got yourself another crowd ready to turn. Crash and burn. :lol
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Post by: jjrock88 on January 29, 2015, 09:31:10 PM
I'm hearing buzz about a possible Bryan vs. Ziggler match at Wrestlemania. 

:caffeine:

This would steal the show!
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Post by: Jaffa on January 29, 2015, 10:34:05 PM
I think Ziggler and Bryan could put on the kind of match that would remind disillusioned fans why they used to love wrestling. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 29, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
I think Ziggler and Bryan could put on the kind of match that would remind disillusioned fans why they used to love wrestling. 

It's ok, NJPW and Lucha Underground have already reminded me why I love wrestling. Matches like that really just rub in the fact that WWE wastes so much talent.
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 30, 2015, 07:58:39 AM
NXT itself rubs that in every week! And it's a WWE product! :lol
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Post by: ozzy554 on January 30, 2015, 08:58:33 AM
NXT itself rubs that in every week! And it's a WWE product! :lol

Thats because HHH is in charge of NXT and vince isn't involved in any way. I've read that Vince doesn't even watch it.
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Post by: Marion Crane on January 30, 2015, 10:05:39 AM
The really should start incorporating the NXT roster more into the RAW's and PPV's. 

Opening WM31 with a title match between Sayn and Balor for instance would be sick.  NXT is probably the most valuable asset on the network and that would definitely give non-subscribers a “see what you’re missing?” feel. 

Also, having Ziggler vs Bryan would be awesome.  But the IC strap not having any relevance anymore sucks.  Perfect opportunity to elevate it.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on January 30, 2015, 12:01:21 PM
NXT itself rubs that in every week! And it's a WWE product! :lol

Thats because HHH is in charge of NXT and vince isn't involved in any way. I've read that Vince doesn't even watch it.

With that being said, I would honestly like to see vince step aside. He's been out of touch for a long time and at the very least it would provide something new/different.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on January 30, 2015, 09:06:00 PM
Opening WM31 with a title match between Sayn and Balor for instance would be sick.  NXT is probably the most valuable asset on the network and that would definitely give non-subscribers a “see what you’re missing?” feel. 

Apparently Vince isn't too happy that NXT gets such a good reputation without him, so I wouldn't expect that to happen. I'd definitely like to see NXT guys used more on the main show, for opening PPVs, and I was hoping they'd even throw a couple into the RR.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 03, 2015, 02:23:31 AM
Pretty dead crowd for Raw this week. That's a shame. Reigns was only getting a few boos.

Given his exchange with Reigns in the locker room, and the fact WWE have zero plans for Bryan to be champion and having his WM match already planned, I think the plan is to use Bryan's popularity to get Reigns over as a heel at fast lane and have Lesnar as the face. If they really want to stick to that match at WM, that would be a smart move. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit though. It would also mean Rollins wouldn't cash in on him, which would also have been a good move.

I can't wait to see the HHH / Stone Cold interview. Just about to watch that.
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Post by: Marion Crane on February 05, 2015, 09:30:07 AM
Looks like they're setting up Reins to have a clean victory over Bryan at Fastlane.  They're hoping Bryan will endorse Reigns in the title fight at Mania.  I still think this is horrible.  Hopefully they'll have Rollins cash in after Reigns beast Brock and WM31 ends with Rollins as champ.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on February 05, 2015, 06:46:40 PM
Just watched the SC/HHH interview. Very solid.
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Post by: KevShmev on February 05, 2015, 06:48:57 PM
Looks like they're setting up Reins to have a clean victory over Bryan at Fastlane.  They're hoping Bryan will endorse Reigns in the title fight at Mania.  I still think this is horrible.  Hopefully they'll have Rollins cash in after Reigns beast Brock and WM31 ends with Rollins as champ.

I don't see that.  WM never ends with a heel celebrating.  Hell, even the one time I can remember where a heel won the main event (Miz), the show still ended with the Rock storming the ring and taking him out and celebrating in the rings to loud cheers.  Rollins is far more likely to cash in at RAW the next night.
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Post by: Bruinsfan25 on February 05, 2015, 08:53:02 PM
I had this thought today, might be dumb but i figured I'd post it here anyway. What if in the title match at Wrestlemania Lesnar does the typical heel stuff, knocking out the ref, using a chair, etc. and then suddenly the lights go out and the Undertaker shows up. He doesn't do anything, just distracts Lesnar so Reigns can hit him with the spear or whatever for the win.
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 05, 2015, 09:55:31 PM
I think turning Reigns heel would be the best for him right now.  Changing his outfit is a must too.
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Post by: Marion Crane on February 06, 2015, 10:06:41 AM
Looks like they're setting up Reins to have a clean victory over Bryan at Fastlane.  They're hoping Bryan will endorse Reigns in the title fight at Mania.  I still think this is horrible.  Hopefully they'll have Rollins cash in after Reigns beast Brock and WM31 ends with Rollins as champ.

I don't see that.  WM never ends with a heel celebrating.  Hell, even the one time I can remember where a heel won the main event (Miz), the show still ended with the Rock storming the ring and taking him out and celebrating in the rings to loud cheers.  Rollins is far more likely to cash in at RAW the next night.

WM 16, 17 and 19 did.  Also, if Rollins cashes in on a freshly won Roman Reigns, it'll be a babyface pop for sure.
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 06, 2015, 11:14:57 AM
If either Lesnar wins or Rollins cashes in they'll get a babyface pop for sure. Most of the people who'll go there are the hardcore fans. If Reigns win, the boos at next night's Raw will be unbelievable!
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Post by: Marion Crane on February 06, 2015, 01:02:19 PM
I really think the best option at this point is to have Bryan beat Lesnar and have Rollins cash in, either at WM31 or the next night on Raw. 
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Post by: jjrock88 on February 06, 2015, 05:47:40 PM
I really think the best option at this point is to have Bryan beat Lesnar and have Rollins cash in, either at WM31 or the next night on Raw.

That would be a good route.  Or go with Bryan as champion for a lengthy reign and see how it effects the ratings and network buys.
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Post by: ozzy554 on February 06, 2015, 07:23:29 PM
I don't think Bryan should be in the mainevent at WM31. With him just returning from a neck injury I dont think putting him in the ring with a man who mainly does german suplexes (sometimes rather sloppily) is such a great idea.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 06, 2015, 08:38:42 PM
I don't think Bryan should be in the mainevent at WM31. With him just returning from a neck injury I dont think putting him in the ring with a man who mainly does german suplexes (sometimes rather sloppily) is such a great idea.

That, and also I think it would be a bit too on the nose to force him into the main event at WM two years in a row. It would be caving at this point to go "We're sorry Reigns won the Rumble, so we're giving you Bryan anyway!". I'm also not sure fans would accept it, and might start to turn on Bryan. I think it works better for him to have a longer underdog story. I actually hope he doesn't end up in the main event under these circumstances.

I'm absolutely all for any situation that involves Rollins cashing in though. He deserves it much more than Reigns, and he's your top heel once Lesnar leaves.
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 07, 2015, 06:29:12 AM
I'd rather them be "too on the nose" than watching Bryan/Sheamus yet again (which is the plan right now).
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 07, 2015, 06:54:13 AM
The plan is currently Bryan/Ziggler last I heard, unless they've changed their minds back to Bryan/Sheamus.
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on February 07, 2015, 07:13:55 AM
The bryan/ziggler plans got dropped so Ryback and Ziggler can be a tag team.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 07, 2015, 07:15:19 AM
Jebus, so much talent going to waste. Wrestlemania is going to a trainwreck at this rate.
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Post by: Dimitrius on February 07, 2015, 07:25:08 AM
Hey, at least we have a new NXT Takeover event this Wednesday!
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Post by: Marion Crane on February 07, 2015, 08:12:59 AM
They just can't have Reigns as champ.  They can't.
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Post by: Jaq on February 07, 2015, 01:19:41 PM
You'd think even Vince would figure out by now that when he forces someone down the fans throat for the WM build, they turn violently on it.

Hell, let's be honest: I watched the Rumble the night they had to replay matches because of the blizzard on Raw, and all it did was prove that the Rumble is a beyond stale concept, and it's been handing out title shots for 22 years now. The whole "Road to Wrestlemania" period needs to be blown up and started again. Hell, the whole fucking company is stuck in 1998, but the Rumble is just boring anymore.
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on February 07, 2015, 02:27:05 PM
It's also because they've telegraphed who's going to win for so long. Royal Rumble has never had this "you never know" feel.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 07, 2015, 09:40:58 PM
You'd think even Vince would figure out by now that when he forces someone down the fans throat for the WM build, they turn violently on it.

Hell, let's be honest: I watched the Rumble the night they had to replay matches because of the blizzard on Raw, and all it did was prove that the Rumble is a beyond stale concept, and it's been handing out title shots for 22 years now. The whole "Road to Wrestlemania" period needs to be blown up and started again. Hell, the whole fucking company is stuck in 1998, but the Rumble is just boring anymore.

This year's Rumble was boring and awful, but they're still a great idea that regularly has unique creative ideas you haven't seen before, and allows wrestlers to interact who normally wouldn't.
It's definitely an issue with how predictable the outcome has become, but that's an issue with booking, not with the concept itself. The problem is that they place too much importance on the RR as the lead up to their biggest event of the year, instead of taking the chance to truly surprise the fans. They regularly change their plans before WM anyway, so I don't think they need to overthink it quite so much.
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Post by: Jaq on February 08, 2015, 10:57:35 AM
There might BE creative ideas to do with the Rumble, but no one at WWE seems to want to use them. The average Rumble usually has the following:

1. People who stopped wrestling for the company years ago coming in for a nostalgia pop.
2. Comic relief quick eliminations.
3. Someone eliminates a ton of people to hopefully increasing crowd response. (The Diesel Push. Amazing how different wrestling history would be if any other big man other than Kevin Nash had gotten the job in 1994 of clearing out the jobbers.)
4. The match stops dead when the last four people are left. Odds are someone points at the Wrestlemania sign. There are two heels and two faces left.
5. One of the final four is the guy who has been pushed as the new top guy since Survivor Series if not Summerslam.

WWE has made everyone so generic and having such similar movesets and doing scripted promos that the Royal Rumble now has no personality. It's like setting up WWE 2K15 to do the Rumble with all computer controlled characters. They don't look at who is over BEFORE the show and build from the Rumble to Mania. It's the same thing year after year, and people are so tired of it unless it's an out of the blue choice getting elevated from nowhere or the rarest of things, the guy who got over on his own and got buried like Bryan, the end result is 100% guaranteed to annoy the crowds. WWE has become risk averse in the past decade anyway-it's why the Money in the Bank title shot booking is always the same, and why we're speaking confidently that Rollins is going to walk out of Mania with the belt because we just know he's going to cash it in on a weakened opponent. They're stuck doing the same things over and over again to the same audience that doesn't mind it, rather than going utterly mad. There's no WAY to go utterly mad. No one's allowed to be the Rock or Steve Austin or DX's version of HHH anymore. Hell, even Bray Wyatt's been turned into "the guy who sings about having the whole world in his hands and everyone holds up their phone when he comes in." Bland, boring wrestlers with storylines that don't take any risks. It's why I've stopped watching.

WWE needs to blow itself up and start again. John Cena's been the face of the company since 2005. And he had to be neutered and made dull to the point that half the crowd turned on him. Just time for a massive change.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on February 08, 2015, 11:10:49 AM
Vince needs to step down and get out of the way. From what's he done with NXT, I'm anxious to see what HHH can do with the main product. Until then, the WWE will continue to be a farce.

either that, or bring back the goon. At least then, I can start taking wrestling seriously again.

(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag150/Curtis_Dwayne/goon_display_image_zpsccdf0809.jpg)
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Post by: ozzy554 on February 08, 2015, 11:36:13 AM
I know HHH wants less scripted promos, that alone I think could be a huge improvement. Also it sounds like he wants raw back to 2 hours which I hope happens because 3 is just too long.
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Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2015, 12:25:47 PM
Great post, Jaq.

Honestly, the people who are sick of Cena need to stop booing him.  Keep quiet when he comes out or wins and turn your back to the ring.  Booing indicates heat, which indicates he's doing something right.  They can pipe in cheers or boos all they want on TV, but frequent crowd shots of people with their back to the ring because they are sick of Cena would look bad and send a real message.

They need to embrace the change in climate in regards to faces and heels and stop making everything about face vs heel. 

Add some realism back into it.  Hell, have Rollins come out and say, "How can I cash in money in the bank when the champion is never around?"

The fact that promos are scripted to where every word has to be said the way it is written is pathetic.  How are wrestlers supposed to have any identity when thy aren't allowed to be themselves?
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Post by: Marion Crane on February 08, 2015, 04:29:04 PM
Went to the WWE live event in Jacksonville last night.  Hate to say it, but Reigns was SUPER over. 

Second biggest pops went to Ambrose and Jericho
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 08, 2015, 08:12:57 PM
I know HHH wants less scripted promos, that alone I think could be a huge improvement. Also it sounds like he wants raw back to 2 hours which I hope happens because 3 is just too long.

I really don't know how they expect any breakaway stars to ever occur again while they script them word for word, it's just not natural.
The Rock and Austin would not exist if they were kept on that tight a leash. Neither one was amazing in the ring, but they became stars because they had great personalities that made them worth watching every week.

The only person I can think of currently on Raw who has promos worth hearing is Paul Heyman, and that's because he's very obviously not scripted. :lol They wouldn't let anyone else get away with what he says.
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Post by: Marion Crane on February 09, 2015, 09:13:22 AM
Pretty sure Bray writes his own stuff, and I believe they let Ambrose kinda go on his own too.  But I agree.  They should really let people do their own thing and just hit the key points like Heyman does.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 09, 2015, 09:19:10 AM
I'm not sure Ambrose is less scripted, I think he just sounds a bit more natural doing it. I wouldn't know about Bray Wyatt. His promos are so painfully boring and pointless that I can't watch them.
The only person I think gets any real leeway out of the active roster is John Cena, being the pro that he is. And Lesnar is either mostly guided by Heyman or just speaks from the heart about hating everyone and wanting to hurt them. :lol
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Post by: Marion Crane on February 09, 2015, 10:18:40 AM
Ha you really don't like Wyatt do you
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 09, 2015, 10:23:11 AM
No, I really don't. :lol He's had so many chances in big feuds, and continually failed to impress me in any way. His only decent match was with Bryan, because Bryan wrestled a good match around him.
I'm hoping Undertaker doesn't come back for WM only so he doesn't get stuck in a match with Wyatt. It would be a waste of The Undertaker at this point in his career.
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Post by: Marion Crane on February 09, 2015, 10:41:22 AM
Interesting....

http://www.24wrestling.com/report-vince-mcmahon-decides-new-wrestlemania-main-event/
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 09, 2015, 10:58:59 AM
I love Daniel Bryan, and I want him to be champ again at some point, but I don't like that idea for so many reasons. Lesnar will kill him, I worry fans will start to turn on him making his way into the WM main event twice lime this, and he's probably going to have to job to Reigns so Lesnar doesn't look bad.
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Post by: Marion Crane on February 09, 2015, 11:36:27 AM
I agree for the most part.  Bryan definitely won't win.  However I don't see the point of building up Lesnar to be this monster if he doesn't end up putting someone over.  Especially if he's leaving.
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Post by: Jaffa on February 09, 2015, 11:47:05 AM
I worry fans will start to turn on him making his way into the WM main event twice lime this

I'm not going to turn on Daniel Bryan, but to be honest, at this point, I think I'd rather see Reigns vs. Lesnar as planned than see Bryan shoehorned into that match because the fans threw another fit. 
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 09, 2015, 11:47:47 AM
The thing for me is that Lesnar has been built up so far, breaking The Undertaker's WM streak of over two decades, and crushing the top guy of the past decade, Cena on multiple occasions.
So I'm not buying that Roman Reigns, who has only had like 1 PPV match since becoming a singles wrestler and just came back from injury, is going to defeat Lesnar with a punch and a tackle.
To be fair, I don't really buy anyone beating Lesnar cleanly at this point, so having a triple threat gives them an out there. Reigns is not going to get over with Bryan and Lesnar in the same ring though.

Jaffa, I agree. I don't want Bryan shoehorned in either, and while its good that they do listen to fans at some point, they go about it wrong and it doesn't benefit anyone.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 09, 2015, 01:51:01 PM
I only marginally keep up with wrestling anymore, but my brother is religious about it.  He said that in his opinion, the biggest problem in the WWE right now is actually Lesnar, because he is so much better in the ring than anyone else.  He is such a beast that he has no real competition.  How accurate is that?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: jjrock88 on February 09, 2015, 02:58:54 PM
For somebody who doesn't even really like wrestling, it's unreal how good Lesnar is. He just adds such a realism to his matches that is unmatched by anyone.  I hope he sticks around past WM
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Marion Crane on February 09, 2015, 03:17:28 PM
I only marginally keep up with wrestling anymore, but my brother is religious about it.  He said that in his opinion, the biggest problem in the WWE right now is actually Lesnar, because he is so much better in the ring than anyone else.  He is such a beast that he has no real competition.  How accurate is that?

Definitely not better than everyone else, no.  As far as workers go, I wouldn't put him in the top 10.  But the WWE has build him up to he this unstoppable monster, so he's still over
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Zook on February 09, 2015, 05:11:55 PM
He needs some more moves though. He actually had a move set 10 years ago. Now he just does German suplexes and maybe a clothesline.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 10, 2015, 02:51:18 AM
Well........... it doesn't look like Rollins will be cashing in the briefcase and winning the title any time soon. Probably back to the mid card for him for the next couple of years now, even though they desperately need him with Lesnar leaving.

It seems as if Reigns is turning heel, and it's already working for the better. The heel attitude is already paying off for his promos, and both him and Bryan had a pretty good opening segment this week. And Bryan used the W word! He said WRESTLING! I'm guessing Vince didn't write that. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Marion Crane on February 10, 2015, 08:54:13 AM
Yeah I was pretty happy about last night.  REALLY sucks about Rollins though.  2015 was definitely gonna be his year.  Looks like he'll be tagging with Tyson Kidd in 6 months.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: ozzy554 on February 10, 2015, 09:04:05 AM
If this was a few years ago they would've worked it into the storyline. Now I'm not so sure, I hope they don't stop his push because of this.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 10, 2015, 09:16:56 AM
There's no way WWE would acknowledge it on air in the current PG era. HHH basically said Chyna isn't in the hall of fame because she did the porn stuff, and they didn't want young fans looking her up and seeing it associated with them. I imagine they'll want to distance themselves from this incident too.
Just how badly it affects Rollins, we'll have to wait and see. It would have to hurt their immediate plans for him, I would think.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 10, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
What happened?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 10, 2015, 09:59:53 AM
What happened?

A nude pic of some NXT chick was posted on Seth Rollin's Twitter, and then his fiance posted nude pics of him on her Twitter in retaliation. It's all been deleted now, but the pics and tweets are circulating. He says he was hacked, but who knows what actually happened.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 10, 2015, 10:00:52 AM
What a moron.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: ozzy554 on February 10, 2015, 10:02:18 AM
http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2015/0210/589323/backstage-wwe-reaction-to-seth-rollins-nude-photo-debacle/ (http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2015/0210/589323/backstage-wwe-reaction-to-seth-rollins-nude-photo-debacle/)


If this is true then seth just dodged a bullet.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 10, 2015, 01:32:55 PM
this is the same fed that allowed Orton to keep rolling despite 2 failed drug tests and doing stuff like taking a dump in a diva's purse. If the person is money... the fed will protect him.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Zook on February 10, 2015, 04:14:51 PM
Good thing I didn't like him much. He's a good worker, but I just don't like his character. And if he's a cheating bastard, I don't have much respect for him anyway as a person.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 10, 2015, 07:42:36 PM
the sting/hhh build has got to be the lamest thing I've ever seen.

You wait like 100 years for sting to finally work a program in the WWE and he literally just comes out on the ramp, points and turns around and walks away. Then last night, it just reads "I accept". For the love of god, do something

Its a shame I don't have insomnia, cause this shit's betting than ambien.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Marion Crane on February 10, 2015, 07:53:05 PM
I think it's been building perfectly.  WM31 is still 2 months away.  Plenty of time.  Can't blow their wad too early.

Remember too back in 97, the Sting/Hogan build was like a year long
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 11, 2015, 05:38:05 PM
NXT in about 20 minutes. This could be the best WWE related show of WM season.... if not the whole year.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 12, 2015, 08:06:32 AM
I watched NXT Takeover. Balor vs Neville was solid, the women's match was quite good, and the title match got better as it went on. Zayn really knows how to sell. Owens is really good for a big guy too, better than the ones they've got on the main show.
The match with the Luchas was painful though. Those guys botched pretty much everything.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Marion Crane on February 12, 2015, 08:20:09 AM
Yeah Zayn put on a selling clinic last night
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 12, 2015, 08:32:30 AM
The way he takes those whips to the corner, and his reaction to the big chop in the middle of the ring, just great.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: jjrock88 on February 12, 2015, 10:18:57 AM
I think Owens will do very well in WWE
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: ozzy554 on February 12, 2015, 10:26:09 AM
Looks like they set Owens up as the Brock lesnar of NXT, and I have no problem with that.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Dimitrius on February 12, 2015, 12:36:20 PM
The 3 main matches were all fucking fantastic! And I'll add to all the love for Zayn selling, he's perfect at it! Even with the pins he's great at selling them, everytime someone pins him early in a match he'll always kick out at 1; as the match wears on his kick out get delayed more and more.

I laughed in just stupid amazement at how effortless Owens made that swanton bomb or whatever it was look.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: ozzy554 on February 12, 2015, 12:42:16 PM
The 3 main matches were all fucking fantastic! And I'll add to all the love for Zayn selling, he's perfect at it! Even with the pins he's great at selling them, everytime someone pins him early in a match he'll always kick out at 1; as the match wears on his kick out get delayed more and more.

I laughed in just stupid amazement at how effortless Owens made that swanton bomb or whatever it was look.

For a second there I thought he was going for this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpsD1mXeFQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpsD1mXeFQM)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Dimitrius on February 12, 2015, 12:55:09 PM
That would have, literally, made the crowd spontaneously combust!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Marion Crane on February 13, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
I know they won't, and I've mentioned it before, but they should totally open WM31 with Balor vs Owens.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 13, 2015, 07:30:31 PM
Forget opening, they should main event WM31 with Balor vs Owens   ;D



but then again, I'm a psycho mark for the those 2
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: GentlemanofDread on February 14, 2015, 05:17:24 AM
NJPW update: Honma vs Ishii is a must watch match (from New Beginning in Sendai)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 14, 2015, 05:22:14 AM
I was going to watch that PPV, but it appeared to be such a damn long event. Not that it's not worth it, but that's a lot of wrestling!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: GentlemanofDread on February 14, 2015, 05:27:39 AM
Yeah, we're over 3 hours at this point, but that's including an intermission. And really, I'd only say Honma/Ishii is the only thing watching from this one.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 14, 2015, 05:35:06 AM
I might have to get it and just skim it. After Wrestle Kingdom, I was expecting the skip percentage on this one to be low.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Romans Reigns is your 2015 Royal Rumble match winner....
Post by: Dimitrius on February 14, 2015, 05:47:27 AM
I downloaded that PPV yesterday. Gonna see if I can watch it over the weekend.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on February 14, 2015, 02:02:52 PM
That tag team turmoil on Smackdown was actually pretty good
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 20, 2015, 11:45:50 AM
Well, this saga between Punk and the WWE has taken an interesting turn now.  Now the doctor is suing him and Cabana for defamation.  I'm just wondering why now rather than roughly three months ago when Punk made those comments.

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- It looks like CM Punk will need to get his amazing lawyer ready because he is currently facing a $1 million defamation lawsuit. The Cook County Record reports that WWE in-house physician, Dr. Chris Amann, has filed a lawsuit against former WWE Superstars CM Punk and Colt Cabana after comments made on Colt Cabana’s Art of Wrestling Podcast last November.

Amann says his reputation has suffered as a result of the comments made by Punk. He is reportedly seeking more than $1 million in compensatory damages and an undetermined amount in punitive damages. Cabana is also included in the complaint for helping Punk “falsely depict” Amann.

Amann claims that Punk (real name Phillip Brooks) and Cabana (real name Scott Colton) “knowingly fabricated the false and disparaging statements” about him and that both men knew their comments would be heard by third parties.

In the complaint, Amann also says the statements made by Punk and Cabana “are highly offensive in that they accuse [him] of a gross lack of integrity as a medical doctor, an inability to perform his professional duties as a medical doctor, and in placing the financial interest of his employer above life-threatening health conditions of his patients.”

Phillip J. Zisook and Brian D. Saucier of Deutscy, Levy & Engel out of Chicago, Illinois are representing Amann.

http://411mania.com/wrestling/cm-punk-and-colt-cabana-sued-by-wwe-doctor-over-comments-on-art-of-wrestling-podcast/
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on February 20, 2015, 04:01:29 PM
I believe Punk. He's smart enough to know that this kind of thing could happen if he told a bunch of lies, so I'm thinking the doctor is just pissed that Punk exposed him for his negligence, and is trying to make some money off him. Hopefully some other wrestlers step up in Punk's defense.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on February 20, 2015, 05:49:35 PM
Good luck with that.  I am pretty sure Vince would fire and/or bury just about any wrestler who would testify in court against his doctor and in favor of Punk.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on February 20, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
Ex-WWE wrestler?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: GentlemanofDread on February 21, 2015, 02:09:49 AM
Well plus, Punk also has his own doctor's evidence.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 21, 2015, 02:33:41 AM
Good luck with that.  I am pretty sure Vince would fire and/or bury just about any wrestler who would testify in court against his doctor and in favor of Punk.


He doesn't even let active employees go on JR's podcast, and has buried wrestlers for the most trivial crap. There's zero chance of any current wrestlers backing him up, even if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on February 21, 2015, 08:35:16 AM
Well according to the statement released today about it, with accompanying video, they've got the gloves off

http://www.24wrestling.com/wwe-statement-video-denying-cm-punks-claims-of-medical-incompetence/
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 21, 2015, 08:38:56 AM
If you watch the linked video out of context, it's just strangely homoerotic. :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alLmQFx801M
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 22, 2015, 11:42:44 AM
Kane is teaching me about economics

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/l8xphl-CyvU/maxresdefault.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8xphl-CyvU
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 22, 2015, 12:42:19 PM
He should take that up as his day job. He seemed much better at that than being a WWE entertainer. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on February 22, 2015, 12:47:35 PM
Speaking of entertaining, has the Undertaker really been that great?  I mean, take away the streak, which created most of the drama in his great WM matches, and what else is there?  I think it goes without saying that 'Taker is by far Vince's most successful gimmick ever.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 22, 2015, 01:00:43 PM
The Undertaker has had a lot of classic matches, none of which relied on his streak to be entertaining imo. It's such a corny typical early 90s Vince gimmick when you think about it, and any lesser wrestler would have ended up relegated to the same category of Doink the Clown or the Repo Man. For The Undertaker to have endured so long at that level says it all.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaffa on February 22, 2015, 01:09:54 PM
Honestly, it's amazing to me that someone would ask that question.  Even if you ignore everything about his gimmick (his entrance, his persona, his storylines, his feuds), you're still looking at an impressively large athlete who has always moved amazingly well for his size and who, in my estimation, is capable of telling a story in a match better than just about anyone else in wrestling history.

And I don't know why you would ignore his gimmick.  Granted, he didn't create it himself, but he damn sure made it work, and it led to a decade's worth of compelling storylines and great feuds that improved the careers of other wrestlers around him. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 22, 2015, 01:21:10 PM
Undertaker has been my favorite since I started watching wrestling.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on February 22, 2015, 01:26:53 PM
His two WM matches with Michaels and his HITC with Triple H are absolute classics
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: abydos on February 22, 2015, 02:51:13 PM
Kane is teaching me about economics

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/l8xphl-CyvU/maxresdefault.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8xphl-CyvU
I opened that just to see it. It was actually interesting so I watched the whole thing. But damn, that cliffhanger ending!
Also, The Undertaker has always been entertaining no matter how ridiculous his story lines have been- his presentation on and off ring has been spot on and he's just such an iconic figure with great moves that it would be very hard not to be impressed by his craft, even if it's not your cup of tea.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 22, 2015, 03:03:57 PM
Kane is teaching me about economics

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/l8xphl-CyvU/maxresdefault.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8xphl-CyvU

Crap, I may need to free up 75 min. to watch this somewhere in the week.  I could learn a lot more about economics which is something I should do more of as a business major.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on February 22, 2015, 06:30:15 PM
I am not saying the Undertaker hasn't been good; he has been.  But he is more gimmick than pure great.  Yes, he moved extremely well for a guy his size, but without the gimmick or streak, he'd be an afterthought.  That is all I am saying.  Mad props to him for taking that gimmick and doing as well as he did with it.   
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaffa on February 22, 2015, 06:34:51 PM
I guess I just don't have a clue how you define greatness in the wrestling world.  As far as I'm concerned, Undertaker has been great by any measuring stick. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on February 22, 2015, 06:36:31 PM
I'm probably just being dumb. :lol :lol

Speaking of dumb, that applies to anyone these days who gives the WWE money for anything, especially in the light of the CM Punk lawsuit.  I have never seen a company shit on their customers as much as the WWE has, only for customers to keep throwing money at them.  I haven't given them money for ANYTHING since 1991.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: farsight on February 23, 2015, 12:15:15 AM
So what happens to Bryan? Back to mid-card I guess?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 23, 2015, 05:46:45 AM
I guess I just don't have a clue how you define greatness in the wrestling world.  As far as I'm concerned, Undertaker has been great by any measuring stick. 

Agreed. That gimmick only succeeded because the Undertaker was great enough to make it work. That gimmick would have buried anyone else's career. He moved like nobody else his size can, did a lot of big impressive moves, had many all time great matches, he had the presence, the look. It's a shame his last WM match was so bad, and it looks like this year's will be equally bad. Hopefully he has one more match in him next year in his home town against someone good so he can go out on a high.


And Fast Lane sucked huge balls.

The Rollins/Ziggler tag match had a super lame finish, with Big Show laying out Ziggler to job, and Rollins doing nothing. Orton was like the icing on the shit sandwich. What a waste of talent. It was like an encore of everything that was wrong with the Rumble. They haven't learned a thing.

The Goldust/Stardust match was another lame one. The ref missing a proper 3 count is your finish? Lame. Rematch at Wrestlemania.

The tag title match was ok. Good outcome, some good moves. Nothing we haven't seen 100 times this year though.

The HHH/Sting promo stunk. 5 minutes of promos rehashing HHH talking and Sting doing nothing, followed by 15 minutes of HHH talking and Sting doing nothing. And then more pointing at the WM sign. Lame as shit setup for a match everyone knew was happening anyway.

The Divas match was another lame one. Paige loses to a rollup pin with a hand full of tights that wasn't actually a hand full of tights. Rematch at Wrestlemania.

Ambrose vs Barret? Lame! A lame DQ for something that is never enforced or an issue. Rematch at Wrestlemania? Probably.

Obviously the Undertaker wasn't coming out, so that cocktease intro was obviously going to be Wyatt. Lame Wyatt promo setting up the match I was hoping wouldn't happen. That match is going to stink. What a waste of Undertaker's one match a year.

The Rusev match was ok, and the finish was great, except it means Cena is obviously winning the obligatory rematch at Wrestlemania. Lame. Rusev beating Cena should have been the WM match, not Rusev losing his streak to Cena.

Reigns / Bryan was an ok match, but Bryan was so aggressive and dominant for the whole match that it was obvious Reigns was going to win. We knew that going in though. But it actually did nothing to help Reigns look strong for facing Brock.
There was a point near the end where both guys were on the ground being counted, and Bryan had his leg over Reigns, so if they intended to get Bryan into the title match as a triple threat, I guess that would be their backdoor, because often that would be considered a pin.

On paper this looked like an ok PPV, with lots of potentially good matches, but they screwjobbed everything. Lame/10.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on February 23, 2015, 07:17:39 AM
Yeah I noticed the leg thing too.  That was a total pin. 

Loved the Wyatt promo and I think that match will be a lot stronger than you think.  Cena/Rusev was MUCH better than I thought it would be, probably becuase both guys did a helluva job selling.

Bryan/Reigns was pretty good.  No clue where they're gonna put Bryan at this point, but a mid-card match with Ziggler or Sheamus just seems awkward.

Yeah I'm not sure I've ever watched a PPV with THAT many botched endings. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 23, 2015, 07:52:14 AM
Wyatt has yet to put on a single good match outside of Bryan imo, and that match was 100% Bryan. The Undertaker is great, but he really needs to work with someone who can construct the match with him. Put Undertaker with Wyatt, and it's going to be a bore. It will be 20 minutes of strikes and running clotheslines.

I had really high hopes for Cena/Rusev, because this was Rusev's first real test. Cena is the only non jobber Rusev has gone against in the year since he joined the WWE roster. It was definitely Rusev's best match to date, and Cena helped make him look good, but I was hoping to see a bit more range from Rusev. Hopefully the Wrestlemania rematch steps it up. The match was fine, but I was hoping to be surprised.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on February 23, 2015, 08:08:36 AM
I saw Wyatt/Ambrose a few weeks back at a house show.  They were given around 30 min and it was easily the best match I saw between the two.  I think Wyatt has a big future with the company.  He's much better than you give him credit for :)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 23, 2015, 08:19:28 AM
Luke Harper has already impressed me a lot more with his very short time as a singles wrestler than Wyatt has over the past year. They can keep hyping and talking up Wyatt all they want, but he's yet to deliver the goods imo. I doubt he's ever going to live up to what they want him to be. I'm always open to change my mind on that, and this WM is a prime opportunity for that.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on February 23, 2015, 08:53:28 AM
They did fool me though.  I honestly thought it was gonna be Taker coming out to respond to Wyatt's promos.....until I saw the casket
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on February 23, 2015, 09:35:16 AM
I saw Wyatt/Ambrose a few weeks back at a house show.  They were given around 30 min and it was easily the best match I saw between the two.  I think Wyatt has a big future with the company.  He's much better than you give him credit for :)

Thats because at the house shows they get a lot more freedom to do what they want. Vince has the main show so tightly scripted it can be hard for the talent to shine in the few minutes the're given most of the time.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 23, 2015, 09:52:37 AM
I saw Wyatt/Ambrose a few weeks back at a house show.  They were given around 30 min and it was easily the best match I saw between the two.  I think Wyatt has a big future with the company.  He's much better than you give him credit for :)

Thats because at the house shows they get a lot more freedom to do what they want. Vince has the main show so tightly scripted it can be hard for the talent to shine in the few minutes the're given most of the time.

Agreed. You can see some terrific matches at the house shows.

I enjoyed Fast Lane a lot more than I thought I would. The Tag Team Title match was spectacular, and I'm thrilled that Kidd & Cesaro are the new champions.  Cena and Rusev was everything I hoped it would be, and opens the door for a submission match at Mania. Dean and Wade wasn't great, and I'm not a huge fan of Ambrose magically forgetting his  issues with Rollins and Wyatt to chase this title, but it's a case of WWE having more faces than creative knows what to do with. Bryan vs. Reigns was good, and I'm happy with the finish.

Wyatt vs. Undertaker is intriguing from a promo standpoint, but Bray is absolutely the wrong type of opponent for the Undertaker at this stage of his career. If you thought Brock/Taker was painful, stay tuned.

All in all, expectations should have been low on Fast Lane, and honestly, this wouldn't have been a show that I would have dropped 50 bucks for. But since I had the network, I watched it, and overall I'm glad that I did.

But NXT is still absolutely killing it :)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on February 23, 2015, 10:39:55 AM
I'd LOVE to see Ambrose/Bryan.  Their indy matches were awesome
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on February 23, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
That sledgehammer sure did bounce high when HHH dropped it. They should really add some weight to it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on February 23, 2015, 03:21:16 PM
Oh my.  :lol :lol I am pretty sure a sledgehammer should not bounce at all. :rollin :rollin

Anyway, most reviews I have read said last night stunk, which is no surprise.  Their booking has been god-awful for a while now, and expecting them to turn it around at a PPV that is bottom of the barrel wasn't realistic.

As for Wyatt, I am not sold on him either, but his fans can't say he isn't be given major opportunities.  Cena and Undertaker at back-to-back is more than anything could ask for.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on February 23, 2015, 03:40:50 PM
I could never really get behind The Undertaker, although when I started watching WWE, it was when he was doing the American Badass gimmick. But knowing what his gimmick was before, and him doing something so drastically different, it just takes away the whole aesthetic. The fact that he went from an "undead guy" to a normal biker and back to an undead guy AND made it work is incredible though. Someone similar would be Mick Foley. He constantly breaks the fourth wall/kayfabe jumping in and out of his gimmicks, but somehow makes it work and the fans are still behind that. I just can't get behind it. When I see The Undertaker, I just think, why is he acting like that when he was just fine before driving around on a motorcycle?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Cool Chris on February 27, 2015, 12:21:26 PM
Random Friday thoughts.

Undertaker. I think like it other sports (or real sports), it is hard to quantify a person's impact in numbers, or stats. Sometimes their greatness transcends whatever the sum of their career parts is. It is hard to explain why Undertaker is so great, but it is hard to argue that he isn't. Yes, greatest gimmick ever. But he was able to change over time, and not outlive his schtick. He was also somehow able to make it cool to come out to a Fred Durst song.  And he commanded and earned the respect of the locker room and the brass. I normally hate when wrestlers take 5 minutes getting to the ring, but seeing an Undertaker WM entrance in person is something that will go unfulfilled on my bucket list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI5YDqkrbkc

Commentators. How has Michael Cole been the play-by-play guy for so long? He isn't bad, he is just... well, there. Now he is along side JBL and Booker T? Listening to a match called by JR had a quality to it, like the Undertaker, that you can't describe. He made the average match sound great, and the great match sound epic. I grew up listening to Monsoon and Heenan, Jesse the Body and Lord Alfred Hayes, Tony Schiovone, and even Vince call matches. They all had their gifts and drawbacks, but they all brought something special to the mic. Cole and company don't. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on February 27, 2015, 12:39:59 PM
I don't mind cole, For me its the combination of JBL and Cole thats terrible. The commentary for fast lane was especially bad.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on February 27, 2015, 01:03:16 PM
I can't stand JBL on commentary. I loved when he broke character and returned to his APA gimmick a few weeks ago. I miss that.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 27, 2015, 01:12:40 PM
JBL is god awful on commentary. Cole is just satisfactory and King is no where near what he used to be.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on February 27, 2015, 01:17:42 PM
Was King ever really that great? He's been pretty annoying to me ever since I started watching WWE full time in 2001, and I don't think he was much different before that. He just isn't perverted anymore because PG.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on February 27, 2015, 02:15:26 PM
Not a fan of any of the current announcers. JBL is brutal.

Nothing will ever beat the team of Gorilla/Brain for me
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Phoenix87x on February 27, 2015, 02:17:42 PM
Gorilla/Brain was legendary. I also loved jesse as well.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on February 27, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
"It's Pandemonium Brain!!!"
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on February 27, 2015, 04:17:30 PM
Monsoon/Heenan was by far the best, yes, and Vince and Jesse were damn good as well, mainly because Ventura was such a great heel announcer, and those two argued well.  It was always great, too, when Monsoon and Ventura did PPVs together.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: sneakyblueberry on February 27, 2015, 04:22:58 PM
JR. 
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 28, 2015, 03:59:47 AM
I guess it's just that I grew up in the South, so our main wrestling was the NWA/Mid-Atlantic Wrestling, but I always thought Monsoon was hokey as hell.  But Heenan had a certain charm.

Tony Schiavone was great, especially in the earlier days.  As the NWA eventually became WCW and the Monday Night Wars started, he became more of a tool.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on February 28, 2015, 04:58:45 AM
Was King ever really that great? He's been pretty annoying to me ever since I started watching WWE full time in 2001, and I don't think he was much different before that. He just isn't perverted anymore because PG.



True. He always just gave crass comments about the women, and now that they're PG, he hardly does anything at all. He's basically redundant. A 3 man announcer is a terrible idea, and there's no point to it. JBL is also awful, just automatically defaulting to obvious heel cliches. Michael Cole has never been great, but he used to be ok. Now he's just a dead husk of a human being spouting Twitter advertisements to earn his paycheck.

It's never been the same without JR. He enhances every match, and I always appreciate watching old matches for that reason. WWE really has no appreciation or respect for that role, or many other roles that they'll just give to whoever they've got hanging around *cough*Booker T*cough*
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on February 28, 2015, 07:00:43 AM
Was King ever really that great? He's been pretty annoying to me ever since I started watching WWE full time in 2001, and I don't think he was much different before that. He just isn't perverted anymore because PG.



True. He always just gave crass comments about the women, and now that they're PG, he hardly does anything at all. He's basically redundant. A 3 man announcer is a terrible idea, and there's no point to it. JBL is also awful, just automatically defaulting to obvious heel cliches. Michael Cole has never been great, but he used to be ok. Now he's just a dead husk of a human being spouting Twitter advertisements to earn his paycheck.

It's never been the same without JR. He enhances every match, and I always appreciate watching old matches for that reason. WWE really has no appreciation or respect for that role, or many other roles that they'll just give to whoever they've got hanging around *cough*Booker T*cough*

It also doesn't help that they have vince in their ear all night directing their commentary.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on March 02, 2015, 08:01:41 PM
This Jon Stewart stuff reminds me of WCW and MadTV.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on March 02, 2015, 08:14:11 PM
if this was wcw stewart would have been in an actual match and ended up with a title.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 03, 2015, 08:34:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDs37KO5m_I&

Paul Heyman is a legend, Paul Heyman is a god!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 04, 2015, 12:47:09 AM
Yep, Heyman is the best thing they have on the mic right now and it's no contest. Everything that comes out of that man's mouth is pure gold, and his Raw promo this week was amazing.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 04, 2015, 05:58:19 AM
In their fake little cardboard show, Heyman is one of the few shreds of what wrestling should be. Engrossing and genuine.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: dparrott on March 05, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Dude performs classic wrestling moves on his girlfriend into a pool.  Best.  Girlfriend.  Ever.
http://uproxx.com/prowrestling/2015/03/wwe-finishers-on-girlfriend/
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 05, 2015, 04:18:32 PM
I saw that last night.  That took quite a bit of trust, especially to let him do the tombstone piledriver.  Even into water, that could go really wrong.

On family vacations when we were teenagers, my brother, two of our cousins and I would always do the Savage elbow and Hogan leg drop into the deep end.  Good times. :hat
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Post by: Cool Chris on March 05, 2015, 04:29:29 PM
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“Guy finishes his girlfriend multiple times in the pool before her sister joins in” sounds like another Brazzers post, but I promise that this video of YouTube personality Joe Weller RKO-ing his girlfriend is as safe for work as you’re going to get with “brutal” and “girl” in the title.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on March 05, 2015, 05:06:24 PM
15 or so years ago my brother and I used to do wrestling moves on each other on my brand new bed that was given to me by my grandpa. The bed got pretty fucked up. The mattress had a huge dent in it so much so that I had to put pillows under it to make it somewhat confortable, the box spring legs were bent. We stashed all that behind the huge tree across the street. I wonder if it's all still there. We threw a couch back there too. The weeds made good cover. Anyway, one time I went to do a Rock Bottom, but tripped and pushed him into the corner of the wall. He has a dent in his head to this day. Other times I've nearly killed him by dropping him on his head. It was fun doing choke slams, spears, and suplexes. Pump handle slams were fun as well. Though I almost broke my back one time trying to do a power bomb.

We were stupid kids.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 05, 2015, 05:30:32 PM
When I was 9 years old, I took a razor's edge on the couch. My friend lost his footing or something and my right knee went through the dry wall. Too this day, my knee is screwed up. Still love wrestling though   :heart
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on March 05, 2015, 05:58:31 PM
Dude performs classic wrestling moves on his girlfriend into a pool.  Best.  Girlfriend.  Ever.
http://uproxx.com/prowrestling/2015/03/wwe-finishers-on-girlfriend/

Very dangerous, but very funny!!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 07, 2015, 05:22:55 AM
I used to do that shit to my daughters on vacation.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: abydos on March 07, 2015, 10:27:38 PM
Dude performs classic wrestling moves on his girlfriend into a pool.  Best.  Girlfriend.  Ever.
http://uproxx.com/prowrestling/2015/03/wwe-finishers-on-girlfriend/

Very dangerous, but very funny!!
That's awesome. Reminds me how we used to do that in the school gym. As well as anywhere in the school actually. Stunners, submission moves (that probably hurt more than those we watched) and the smaller guys received the Lex Luger finisher. Made my best friend power bomb me Kevin Nash-style on the floor at home on a couple of blankets. Ah, 5th grade. Good times. Not very smart, but it was fun.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaq on March 08, 2015, 07:05:38 AM
Was King ever really that great? He's been pretty annoying to me ever since I started watching WWE full time in 2001, and I don't think he was much different before that. He just isn't perverted anymore because PG.

Lawler worked best with Jim Ross, because they had a certain amount of chemistry where Lawler's wacky horndog act was kept in check by JR's serious professionalism. These days everyone is a shadow of themselves because they're reduced to cliche spouting social media machines. (I can't figure out if I should give WWE credit for being pretty massively ahead of the curve where Twitter is concerned or so annoyed that they're one of the reasons why it's so pervasive in entertainment media today, but that's another rant.)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Syzzle on March 08, 2015, 12:00:59 PM
Dude performs classic wrestling moves on his girlfriend into a pool.  Best.  Girlfriend.  Ever.
http://uproxx.com/prowrestling/2015/03/wwe-finishers-on-girlfriend/

Very dangerous, but very funny!!
That's awesome. Reminds me how we used to do that in the school gym. As well as anywhere in the school actually. Stunners, submission moves (that probably hurt more than those we watched) and the smaller guys received the Lex Luger finisher. Made my best friend power bomb me Kevin Nash-style on the floor at home on a couple of blankets. Ah, 5th grade. Good times. Not very smart, but it was fun.
Did he tear his quad while doing it?
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Post by: Dimitrius on March 10, 2015, 05:04:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOpJKNlIcos&t

I say again, Paul Heyman is a legend, Paul Heyman is a god!

How am I suppose to NOT cheer for Lesnar after those two promos by Heyman?!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 10, 2015, 05:41:56 AM
Nobody gives a promo like Heyman. The bit about the Montreal screwjob was incredible. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 10, 2015, 09:54:54 AM
I wonder if he'll get flack for that UFC comment, especially considering recent events.  I doubt he was supposed to say that.  Still....AMAZING promo.  I really don't see how the majority of the WM crowd won't be rooting for Lesnar at this point.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on March 10, 2015, 10:28:43 AM
I realized something really sad about WM today - three of the biggest matches on the card are pretty much one sided feuds. So much for big stories with buildup at WM.
Undertaker hasn't showed up for his buildup with Wyatt, and it doesn't look like he's going to show up before WM at all. Sting has barely showed up for his buildup with HHH, and I don't think he's even said anything. They've even had to resort to stunt doubles and apparently fake voiceovers. Lesnar barely shows up at the best of times, and when he does, he stands there while Heyman talks up a storm.

They've really messed up booking for Wrestlemania, so I don't have high hopes this year.
They've stuck most of their best wrestlers in a nothing ladder match for the IC title, there's a rematch of Cena vs Rusev that Cena is certain to win, an awful and predictable title match where Roman Reigns will look really strong, yet another HHH stinker with an old has-been, and a wasted Undertaker match against the most overrated guy in the company. And a battle royal for anyone else they didn't care to make matches for.
The only match I have any expectations for at all is the ladder match, and the better it is, the more it will remind me how much talent the WWE is wasting.
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Post by: Marion Crane on March 10, 2015, 11:37:17 AM
I mean....you've got Lesnar and Reigns in the same building.  You're less than 3 weeks out.  They haven't done ANYTHING for this feud together except stare at each other at the studio RAW well over a month ago....why not have them do SOMETHING?  Especially since you're paying Brock a shit load of money to appear. 

The Sting/HHH and Wyatt/Taker matches don't bother me as much because of the mystique around the two protagonists.  We don't need to see Taker again until WM, and I'm willing to bet Sting makes another appearance before the PPV.  I still think they'll be solid 7/10 matches.  I mean, on a technical level, Hogan/Rock at 18 was like a 4/10 match, but it's still my favorite match of all time because of the spectacle and how the story unfolded in ring.  I think there's a bit of that spectacle in these two matches. 

Also, while I totally don't agree with Bryan eventually being in and probably winning the ladder match, I DO like the idea of adding considerably more prestige to the IC title.  Same with the US title.   And he'll definitely do that.  It's just stupid that the guy who headlined and won last year's event is in the IC title picture, through no fault of his own and he's still over as balls. 

But yeah, the crowd is gonna eat the Lesnar/Reigns match alive. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on March 10, 2015, 11:41:53 AM
I think The IC title ladder match could be a way to restore some value to the belt. Especially if someone like Bryan or even Ambrose wins it, but it would only work if he holds on to it for a long time. The IC title switched hands so damn much that it became less of a title and more of a prop.

Also I Like roman reigns and he can put on a good singles match with the right opponent. I just don't know how he will look with lesnar.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on March 10, 2015, 02:09:57 PM
The three main events consist of part timers; I guess that can be viewed as a bit of a slap in the face to the guys around year round.  Plus it forces WWE to cram everyone into the battle royal, IC match and likely a tag team 4 way.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 10, 2015, 02:28:36 PM
See I'm not so sure I agree with all of the part timers heat.  I mean.....part timers=special attractions=bigger draws=more buys/subscribers.

I guarantee you that the WWE Network will see a significant increase in subscriber count because the "part-time" fans will want to see Sting and the return of the Undertaker, especially after how bad he got banged up last night.

I for one have loved how they've handled Lesnar as the part time champion.....as far as keeping him off tv goes.  They definitely could have improved on the quality of his non fight appearances though.
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Post by: KevShmev on March 10, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
Yeah, nothing restores prestige to the I-C title like having the champion losing to everyone for a month straight. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: BlobVanDam on March 10, 2015, 09:37:47 PM
See I'm not so sure I agree with all of the part timers heat.  I mean.....part timers=special attractions=bigger draws=more buys/subscribers.

I guarantee you that the WWE Network will see a significant increase in subscriber count because the "part-time" fans will want to see Sting and the return of the Undertaker, especially after how bad he got banged up last night.

I for one have loved how they've handled Lesnar as the part time champion.....as far as keeping him off tv goes.  They definitely could have improved on the quality of his non fight appearances though.

I agree partially.

On one hand, Brock Lesnar has been turned into an attraction, and Paul Heyman as usual gave a compelling promo for that. But while it has elevated the title having a high profile champion, the lack of title matches at every PPV has devalued the PPVs to the point where they're barely better than Raw these days. They've tried to compensate with matches of contrived importance, like the Survivor Series match to ditch the Authority, and #1 contender matches, but overall it's been a really shitty year for PPVs.
I don't blame Lesnar for this, I blame the WWE for making the decision to put the belt on him and then not pay to have him show up more often. And he's been so strong that I don't buy the very inexperienced Reigns having a chance at beating him with a tackle and a punch, yet that's what we're going to have to swallow come WM.

I'm fine with the Undertaker only having his one big match a year, and with the streak he's become a big WM draw. But you can't build up a real feud with one person completely absent. That's not a story. It's the bare minimum they need to cobble together a highlight package for before the match. Just look at the two Undertaker/Michaels matches. Both of those matches told great stories because they built them up beforehand to have some significance and relevance. As a result, they've both among the best WM matches ever.
It just would have been nice to have Undertaker show up for at least one or two Raw appearances, he doesn't need to fight.

As for Sting, the whole thing feels super phoned in. All he's done is show up 3 times over the past half a year and stand there doing nothing and collecting his paycheck. I've never liked him one bit, and like most HHH matches, I'll be skipping this one.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: SuperTaco on March 10, 2015, 10:09:33 PM
I don't buy the very inexperienced Reigns having a chance at beating him with a tackle and a punch, yet that's what we're going to have to swallow come WM.


This really bothers me, too.. How are they going to have Brock lose after the things he's stood up from? Take his triple threat match with Cena and Rollins for example. He no sells 3 straight AA's from Cena. Later takes two briefcase shots to the head from Rollins, only to get up very quickly and F5 him for the victory. How can they possibly make the fans believe that Reigns has the arsenal to put Brock away? It couldn't even be done in a No DQ match with weapon use, yet we're supposed to believe that Reigns can pin Lesnar with a simple spear? A simple shoulder to the ribs, which Lesnar (kayfabe) broke one of in that Royal Rumble match and still won? No, just no. Reigns thinks he's ready, but I have a feeling he's going to be exposed in his match with Lesnar. What I mean is he lacks the cardio to carry a long match. Lesnar suffers from the same thing. What happens when you put two guys with limited gas tanks together for a long, high profile main event? It will likely include lots of Brock standing over Reigns just doing nothing but staring at him while they both gasp for air.

I'm hoping for something other than Reigns as WWE Champion. I would much rather see Rollins cash in, and have Reigns continue to build his character over the Spring/Summer towards a big match at Summerslam.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on March 10, 2015, 10:41:11 PM
I think the best scenario for everyone involved would be for Rollins to cash in, and have Reigns chase the title, while he builds up over the year. They need a top heel, and it will benefit Reigns to not look like he's being handed everything on a silver platter. I really don't expect it to play out that way though, at least not at WM.

Having interference would be the most believable scenario for Lesnar losing. Have Heyman switch sides if Brock is leaving, maybe turn Reigns full heel, or have Rollins interfere because he's going to cash in. They need something. A straight 1 on 1 victory to Reigns is going to stink, and the audience won't swallow it, and it won't get Reigns over. Vince doesn't seem to have gotten it through his head yet that making someone look really strong hasn't worked since the 1980s. It's not that people hate Reigns, they just hate the way he's been handled.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 11, 2015, 07:58:43 PM
What kills me is that so many people bitch about the product, yet still go to house show and PPVs.  Booing Reigns or cheering Bryan non-stop will never get the bottom line across to Vince.  Do not go to live events, do not buy any merchandise, and do not pay for the WWE network.  That is the best way to send the message that you think the product stinks.  I think Vince thinks a lot of their fans are stupid, and I am not sure he is wrong.
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Post by: Zook on March 11, 2015, 08:05:17 PM
Why did Reigns stop doing other moves? In the clip Heyman showed, you see Roman Reigns doing a lot of different stuff in NXT, but now he literally does 3 moves if we're lucky.
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on March 11, 2015, 09:10:44 PM
Because it's the style of the main roster. You stick to moves that people know you by and don't bust a new one out often.
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Post by: Zook on March 11, 2015, 09:50:51 PM
That's strange. Here I thought people wanted to see as much cool shit in the ring as possible. I know I do. Even thought he botched it, it was cool seeing Cena do a hurracanrana. We need more of that. Are powerbombs not cool anymore? Cena did that too. I was like, hey that was cool, do more of that. Reigns does maybe a clothesline, samoan drop, and then that stupid superman punch and the spear. Brock Lesnar is worse. He might kick you and then nothing but german suplexes. Meanwhile 12 years ago he had all kinds of moves and even talked on the mic.  Special attractions aren't supposed to be boring as fuck.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 12, 2015, 12:40:38 AM
My favourite thing to see in a match is something I haven't seen before. I want to be surprised. Exciting moves get stale quickly when that's all you're going to see.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 13, 2015, 08:36:05 AM
Absolutely hilarious

http://www.kayfabenews.com/demott-undergoes-sensitivity-training-returns-hugh-manitarian/
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on March 13, 2015, 09:36:20 AM
My favourite thing to see in a match is something I haven't seen before. I want to be surprised. Exciting moves get stale quickly when that's all you're going to see.

I get saving cool stuff for the PPVs, but they should give roman SOMETHING. If they had let him do more than his 3 moves of doom the backlash against him might not have been as strong.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 13, 2015, 10:31:54 AM
My favourite thing to see in a match is something I haven't seen before. I want to be surprised. Exciting moves get stale quickly when that's all you're going to see.

I get saving cool stuff for the PPVs, but they should give roman SOMETHING. If they had let him do more than his 3 moves of doom the backlash against him might not have been as strong.

There are lots of people like me who don't dislike him, but just feel he's not ready and hasn't developed since leaving the Shield yet. So if he started showing signs of growth in the ring and expanded his repertoire a bit, I'd be open to changing my mind on him.
Variety of moves is a necessity if you expect to carry a half hour headlining match. The 3 moves are ok for a Raw match, but it won't cut it on PPV if you want him to be a top guy.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaq on March 13, 2015, 10:34:39 AM
My favourite thing to see in a match is something I haven't seen before. I want to be surprised. Exciting moves get stale quickly when that's all you're going to see.

I get saving cool stuff for the PPVs, but they should give roman SOMETHING. If they had let him do more than his 3 moves of doom the backlash against him might not have been as strong.

That's one of the things I loved about All Japan in the 90s. A guy had finisher levels. Like Mitsuharu Misawa had the Tiger Driver, and if he put you away with it, you weren't ready to move to the next level. Get out of that? You got the Tiger Driver '94. Get out of THAT? Emerald Fusion. It added drama to see if the wrestler could kick out of the big moves and measured his progress against his opponent. When Kenta Kobashi finally kicked out of the Emerald Fusion in a title match, you knew Misawa was going to lose. You knew who had lost to who and how.

Modern WWE is "You have three moves that caused a pop. They're ALL YOU GET NOW."
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 16, 2015, 07:40:09 PM
Anyone watched the New Japan Cup final? Currently going through it, Ibushi just had a great match and keeps solidifying his place as my favorite Japanese wrestler by far. Currently watching the tag match with Cody Hall (Scott Hall's son) he's one tall sunovabitch!

Also, I love Japanese crowds! How they "oooh" and "aaah" at all the big spots and pop for them and stay silent for the rest of the match, in an attentive manner, it's awesome!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 17, 2015, 08:11:45 AM
Not sure how Sting got in the ring that fast during the blackout, but it was awesome
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 17, 2015, 08:16:10 AM
Not sure how Sting got in the ring that fast during the blackout, but it was awesome

Must have been hiding under the ring. There was plenty of time for him to climb out. It was more awesome when they were doing it 15 years ago......

As usual, Heyman was the highlight of the night, everything else is going through the motions until Wrestlemania. Wouldn't it be awesome if Lesnar retained at WM? And even better, snapped Roman Reigns like he deserves? *sigh* One can dream.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 17, 2015, 08:19:59 AM
I thought about hiding under the ring, but surely the live crowd would have seen it during the break before the last segment. 

But yeah Heyman killed it as per usual.  I really hope Lesnar retains.  I HATE Reigns so much.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 17, 2015, 08:31:24 AM
I thought about hiding under the ring, but surely the live crowd would have seen it during the break before the last segment. 


Maybe he was incognito at the front of the crowd or near the timekeeper area the whole show and jumped over the barricade (hilariously, to make this work he'd probably have to wear one of the plastic Sting masks to cover up his actual Sting facepaint :lol ).
I don't know, but they've done it so many times in the past that they've obviously got a system for it. He had about 10 seconds of darkness to get in there, so it shouldn't have been too hard.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 17, 2015, 08:35:08 AM
Seemed shorter than that to me.  Maybe he just ran down the ramp real quick
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: GentlemanofDread on March 17, 2015, 08:42:14 AM
I thought about hiding under the ring, but surely the live crowd would have seen it during the break before the last segment. 


Maybe he was incognito at the front of the crowd or near the timekeeper area the whole show and jumped over the barricade (hilariously, to make this work he'd probably have to wear one of the plastic Sting masks to cover up his actual Sting facepaint :lol ).
I don't know, but they've done it so many times in the past that they've obviously got a system for it. He had about 10 seconds of darkness to get in there, so it shouldn't have been too hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTzHd1h47o
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 17, 2015, 08:43:16 AM
I timed it out, and it was about 9 seconds. I don't think a guy of his age could run down the ramp that quickly and get into position without being spent, but still a good amount of time.
I think he was either in the audience the whole time, or they managed to sneak him out under the ring shortly beforehand off camera. Maybe he came out there during the Wyatt promo just before the main event. That seems a likely possibility.


I thought about hiding under the ring, but surely the live crowd would have seen it during the break before the last segment. 


Maybe he was incognito at the front of the crowd or near the timekeeper area the whole show and jumped over the barricade (hilariously, to make this work he'd probably have to wear one of the plastic Sting masks to cover up his actual Sting facepaint :lol ).
I don't know, but they've done it so many times in the past that they've obviously got a system for it. He had about 10 seconds of darkness to get in there, so it shouldn't have been too hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GTzHd1h47o

:lol Fantastic.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 17, 2015, 08:44:14 AM
^^Ah good point
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 17, 2015, 10:49:21 AM
Ok this is wonderful...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvMOf3hsGA
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on March 17, 2015, 05:29:05 PM
Ok this is wonderful...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvMOf3hsGA

good stuff
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 17, 2015, 09:44:55 PM
That was so so good!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 18, 2015, 06:31:35 AM
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/6da3895401bb1b7f7944a08c6c21733d/tumblr_nlcnhmHd7u1qjj817o1_r1_400.gif)

This is the greatest thing ever!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: abydos on March 18, 2015, 12:28:26 PM
Ok this is wonderful...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvMOf3hsGA
This is hilarious. Also, I never thought I'd say this but... Batista is cute as fuck :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2015, 05:34:53 PM
AAA wrestler Hijo del Perro Aguayo has died in a match that included Rey Mysterio, after taking a dropkick to set up the 619. There's plenty of video floating around for anyone who wants to check it out, but it looks like a complete freak accident, you'd think nothing of it. RIP.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2015, 06:26:07 PM
Yeah, it's pretty awful to see.  Apparently the dropkick knocked him into the ropes, which cause whiplash and cervical spine trauma.  It looks like he was out immediately.  If nothing else, at least maybe if he was out immediately, he didn't suffer.  Just a terrible thing.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2015, 06:40:00 PM
I don't know if there was existing injury, and he just hit the ropes badly, but he appeared to be unconscious as soon as he hit the ropes, perhaps already dead from the whiplash, so hopefully it was at least quick. It doesn't look like the event staff handled the situation all that great, but I'm not sure it could have made a difference at that point. I can't imagine the guy shaking him hard (Konnan?) helped.

I just hope it doesn't have any repercussions for Mysterio, because he must be feeling terrible about it already, and I don't think either guy did anything wrong there. It was a tragic accident.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
That's one thing you gotta give WWE props for: if that had happened there, the ref would have checked on him immediately, instead of just acting like the guy was "dead selling" (which happens a lot) and ignoring it like the ref there did.  You gotta make sure your performers aren't really hurt.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaffa on March 21, 2015, 07:23:53 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2015, 09:18:56 PM
That's one thing you gotta give WWE props for: if that had happened there, the ref would have checked on him immediately, instead of just acting like the guy was "dead selling" (which happens a lot) and ignoring it like the ref there did.  You gotta make sure your performers aren't really hurt.

WWE is a very safe company in that regard, and they would have stopped the match as soon as they couldn't get him to regain consciousness. That match wouldn't have continued past the 619 attempt. Mysterio was clearly questioning it, and I think it was a careless decision by whoever was in charge to continue the match. All of the ring movement and untrained people intervening would have been really bad if he was alive at that point.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 22, 2015, 09:06:53 AM
Wow that's very very sad
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 22, 2015, 09:10:03 AM
So, it looks like it was cervical spine trauma that did Perro Aguayo Jr. in. :(
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 24, 2015, 11:00:55 AM
For the final RAW before Wrestlemania, that was pretty bad. It doesn't look like anyone liked that lame ending with Lesnar and Reigns. Not even Heyman's usual great promo beforehand can save that match.

Not much else to say. Everything has been set up piss poorly. The only match I'm even half interested in is the ladder match, and half of those guys deserve better.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 24, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
I actually laughed at that final image from the show. Pretty pathetic.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 24, 2015, 12:27:50 PM
I was too confused to laugh, because it wasn't even really an ending. It ended right when something should have happened. Like, what happened once the show went off air?
I get that they don't want to give away the fight yet, and maybe having Brock wrestle would have cost them more than just having him appear, but they could easily have had them appear to try to go at it, and have a shit ton of guys to pull them apart and have all hell break loose. Anything.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on March 24, 2015, 03:59:44 PM
"But most importantly, Brock, make him look strong"

*belt tug of war*
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 24, 2015, 04:22:59 PM
I didn't see it, but based on what you guys are saying, I am standing by my theory that Vince thinks most WWE fans are morons and will keep giving him money no matter how much stupid shit he does. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on March 24, 2015, 08:01:51 PM
Its official Brock lesnar will be staying with WWE.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Cool Chris on March 24, 2015, 08:19:11 PM
I sometimes find it hard to believe he is currently with the WWE.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 24, 2015, 08:33:38 PM
And now they pretty much have to turn Reigns heel.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on March 24, 2015, 11:08:18 PM
hopefully his contract will be restructured for more dates
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 03:15:50 AM
Its official Brock lesnar will be staying with WWE.

Which at least means there's theoretically some possibility of him retaining now, although given Vince's stubbornness of getting what he wants, it's still highly unlikely.
I don't think we'll be getting more appearances out of Brock than before. They've hyped him as as a rare attraction, and if he loses the belt at WM, there will be even less need for him to appear at every PPV. Given how tough the negotiations have been this time, I don't think Lesnar is budging to give them more dates. It will probably be the same contract as before.

The biggest surprises to me would be Reigns not winning the title (whether it be by Lesnar winning, or Rollins cashing in), and Rusev beating Cena again. Given that Rusev won their last PPV match, and got the better of Cena on Raw, it seems all but assured that Cena is intended to win the feud at WM.

I'd also be shocked if Sting lost (one of the very few times I'm going for HHH, which says a lot about how much I dislike Sting). I expect the WM match is a one off match for Sting, so I can't imagine any scenario where he signs a contract agreeing to job to HHH at WM. That's not how WCW veterans are used to working. :P

I'm still 50/50 on how they'll go in the Undertaker match. I don't think Wyatt deserves to even have a match with Undertaker let alone win, but for some reason they think a fat hawaiian shirt wearing redneck is the next Undertaker and might think it's "passing the torch", and now that Lesnar has taken the flack for being the one to beat the streak, they might think fans are more receptive to Undertaker losing now.

Rollins really needs the big Wrestlemania win over Orton, but they're still treating him like a pipsqueak heel, and Orton just came back and they think he's a big deal. If Rollins does win, it won't be cleanly.

I'm expecting Bryan to win the ladder match, but there are several legitimate contenders in the match, all deserving.

They'll probably continue to make the Bellas look ridiculously strong and flatten Paige and AJ, but I'm hoping Paige and AJ win.

There are a number of ways they could go for the Battle Royal, but I expect Sheamus will return and take it. It's a shame they squashed Axelmania on Raw, because having him win would have been hilarious. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: masterthes on March 25, 2015, 07:09:25 AM
I don't see Taker losing two years in a row, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Heyman screw Lesnar and ally himself with Reigns if they were to turn him heel
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 07:14:48 AM
I don't see Taker losing two years in a row, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Heyman screw Lesnar and ally himself with Reigns if they were to turn him heel

If Lesnar was leaving, I'd say that was a very likely scenario. With Lesnar returning, I think he needs to keep Heyman as his mouthpiece in his absence. It could happen, but I don't think Lesnar would agree to continue without Heyman.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Chino on March 25, 2015, 07:15:10 AM
I'm a little bummed.

I've been a monster truck fan since I was a kid. I paperviewed the first ever world finals event 15 years ago and have wanted to go ever since. I'm finally going this year. One of my favorite drivers, Madusa, also used to be a professional wrestler. She's missing the event for the first time in 16 years because she's getting inducted into the wrestling hall of fame this weekend.  :tdwn
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 07:22:30 AM
Hey, this is the pro-wrestling thread, not the anti-wrestling thread! :neverusethis: (see what I did there?)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2015, 08:11:49 AM
I'm a little bummed.

I've been a monster truck fan since I was a kid. I paperviewed the first ever world finals event 15 years ago and have wanted to go ever since. I'm finally going this year. One of my favorite drivers, Madusa, also used to be a professional wrestler. She's missing the event for the first time in 16 years because she's getting inducted into the wrestling hall of fame this weekend.  :tdwn
Madusa Micelli?

She's going into the Hall of Fame?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Chino on March 25, 2015, 08:16:48 AM
I'm a little bummed.

I've been a monster truck fan since I was a kid. I paperviewed the first ever world finals event 15 years ago and have wanted to go ever since. I'm finally going this year. One of my favorite drivers, Madusa, also used to be a professional wrestler. She's missing the event for the first time in 16 years because she's getting inducted into the wrestling hall of fame this weekend.  :tdwn
Madusa Micelli?

She's going into the Hall of Fame?



I think her wrestling name was Blaze.

(http://clatl.com/binary/a3da/1326491928-0131.jpg)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 08:19:14 AM
She was Alundra Blayze in WWF. I swear Alundra Blayze vs Bull Nakano was on every single PPV we hired back in the mid 90s. :lol She was a good wrestler too. She deserves to be in the HOF.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Chino on March 25, 2015, 08:22:41 AM
For whatever reason, a bunch of wrestlers had monster trucks in the 90s.

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/monsterjam/images/e/e1/Sting.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131004052727)
(http://image.fourwheeler.com/f/8520139+w600+cr1/0201_10zoom%2Bgoldberg_monster_truck%2Bside_driver_side_view.jpg)
(http://www.samson4x4.com/photos/2013/allison-patrick/DSC_1984-lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 08:31:28 AM
Back when wrestling was going for more mainstream appeal. We have this old toy of a monster truck with the Undertaker's face on the hood, and when you press it down it plays a sound clip of "I AM THE UNDERTAKER!" Seems like it was a happy meal toy or something.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on March 25, 2015, 09:33:47 AM
(http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1873/4323/original.jpg)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: masterthes on March 25, 2015, 09:35:55 AM
I remember she had a brief return in the 90's. Good for her
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 26, 2015, 09:19:24 AM
I have never seen a build for a WM main event where neither competitor even threw a punch.  Worst main event build ever.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 26, 2015, 09:25:08 AM
I have never seen a build for a WM main event where neither competitor even threw a punch.  Worst main event build ever.

Can you just imagine the highlights package before the match? Reigns getting booed as he wins the Rumble. Reigns and Lesnar sitting down talking. Reigns getting booed as he beats Bryan. Reigns and Lesnar both grabbing the title in slow motion. Overlay with Heyman promo audio in an attempt to salvage this mess of a build-up.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on March 26, 2015, 09:52:29 AM
Thats  a good point. That will be a terrible highlight package
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 26, 2015, 11:18:49 AM
It's all a big swerve.  Neither of them will actually be there.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ZKX-2099 on March 26, 2015, 06:11:46 PM
Can't be worse than Lesnar/Goldberg.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on March 26, 2015, 08:35:21 PM
Speaking of Lesnar/Goldberg. You think Brock's middle fingers to the crowd and Stone Cold were planned? I suppose so since Lesnar sold the stunner, but I wonder if they knew the crowd was going to be that against the match before it started. Either way, it was very unprofessional of them to put on such a stinker just because it was their last match with the company. Goldberg says he's all about the fans, so why not go out with a bang?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 26, 2015, 11:55:28 PM
Can't be worse than Lesnar/Goldberg.

I don't think anything could be worse than that match, but at least it had the consolation of Stone Cold kicking their asses afterwards. :lol
If Lesnar was leaving, this match had the potential to be in the same ballpark of bad, but with Lesnar staying, there's some small hope they could salvage it now.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 27, 2015, 06:37:56 AM
He will probably still come out and no-sell the hell out of RR and then kill him.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: abydos on March 27, 2015, 12:06:52 PM
Why is Lesnar even in WWE? He was a crap wrestler even when he first showed up, then apparently he's said all over the place that he doesn't enjoy it, why come back after UFC or w/e he was doing? Did he get his ass kicked over there or what?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on March 27, 2015, 01:24:20 PM
Why is Lesnar even in WWE? He was a crap wrestler even when he first showed up, then apparently he's said all over the place that he doesn't enjoy it, why come back after UFC or w/e he was doing? Did he get his ass kicked over there or what?

He's an awesome wrestler.  He just never liked the full time schedule of WWE
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on March 27, 2015, 09:26:32 PM
Sable probably threatened to not put out.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 27, 2015, 09:30:01 PM
With Lesnar staying on, he needs to keep the belt for a long time.  Otherwise, what is the point of a part time Brock Lesnar showing up once in a while for otherwise meaningless feuds?  While I am not a fan of a part time champion in theory, if done right, keeping Lesnar as the unstoppable beast is the way to go.  Plus, him only wrestling at PPVs gives it that 80s feel when we only saw Hogan wrestle on TV a few times a year, which made it feel special, instead of yet another world champion who wrestles on RAW every week.  But, knowing Vince, he'll still have Reigns win the belt, and fans everywhere will piss and moan and keep watching every week and giving him their money. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaffa on March 28, 2015, 09:44:27 PM
So, Wrestlemania is tomorrow.  The question is, does anybody care?

I've never felt this ambivalent about Wrestlemania. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: GentlemanofDread on March 28, 2015, 09:47:46 PM
I care, but only because I feel this is the first Mania in a long time where I don't feel like I know who wins every match.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 29, 2015, 01:58:32 AM
So, Wrestlemania is tomorrow.  The question is, does anybody care?

I've never felt this ambivalent about Wrestlemania.

Man, I just don't care much about this year's Wrestlemania, so much, I'm considering watching an EDM festival on Twitch.tv over WM and I'm not a huge fan of EDM.

Which pretty much sucked considering at the beginning at WM 28, I was so hyped about the whole show.  And then 18 seconds into the 1st match later......., and then the following matches later.......
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 29, 2015, 03:44:02 AM
I definitely don't care. This year its incredibly underwhelming.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on March 29, 2015, 04:19:57 AM
Wrestlemania has been at the level of every other PPV for years. When was the last time it was actually a big deal?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaq on March 29, 2015, 09:09:44 AM
If I could pinpoint the precise year where they started the whole "everyone starts pointing and looking at the Wrestlemania sign" I could tell you. The last time 'Mania felt huge to me was the first Shawn Michaels/Undertaker match, and even then that wasn't the whole show, just that match. Mania's been basically just another PPV in the biggest place they go to each year for years.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 29, 2015, 09:19:07 AM
I've always been a huge wrestling fan, and family and friends treat Wrestlemania much like the Super Bowl. We're having a huge party tonight, and regardless of whether the show is great, shit, or somewhere in the middle, we'll have fun, and that's the most important thing.

With that said, I can understand why many aren't excited for the show tonight. NXT's white hot product proves that there are some folks in power who know how to deliver a great product. So it was very frustrating to see Roman Reigns win the Royal Rumble, not because of anything that Roman did or didn't do personally, but because it was so damn predictable, and there were other guys that are considered to be more deserving by many.

I personally am very excited for the Intercontinental Title Ladder match. It has a lot of my current favorites in it. And while I'd rather see guys like Ziggler, Ambrose and Stardust doing something "bigger", I can't help but think that this will be an amazing match. It's also great to see R-Truth in a meaningful match at Mania. Much deserved.

I'm also excited for Orton and Rollins. That will probably have the best wrestling of the night.

Sting vs. Trips.... yeah, I would have preferred to have seen Sting show up years ago. But I am curious to see what he has left in the tank, and love him or hate him, Trips has still got it.

I'm a bigger Bray Wyatt fan than most, but this match against Taker isn't one I'm looking forward to... however the entrances should be fantastic.

Rusev vs. Cena. Great build. I think Rusev comes out looking great whether he wins or loses. I'm not the biggest Cena fan, but this should still be good.

The Beast vs. The Chosen One.  At this point, I'm okay with either one of these guys, or Rollins leaving Mania with the strap. I don't have high hopes for the match itself, but maybe they'll surprise me.

All in all, expectations are down for tonight's show. So maybe it will surprise. We shall see.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 29, 2015, 11:16:44 AM
^^ Pretty much this.  It's my favorite day of the year.  Watching the network all day.  Wearing 3 different WWE shirts throughout the day.  Huge party at my house tonight.  Lifelong fan and always will be.

Even though the card is slightly underwhelming, you're all are still watching it tonight.  You wouldn't have posted in this thread otherwise.  My predictions:

Cesaro/Kidd retain
Mizdow or Ryback wins the battle royal
Bella Twins go over
Orton goes over
Rusev beats Cena
Ambrose wins the IC title
Sting beats HHH
Taker beats Wyatt
Lesnar retains

Rollins attempted cash in either tonight or tomorrow
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on March 29, 2015, 11:35:02 AM
Sheamus most likely will be returning tonight. I predict he will win the battle royal or the IC title.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2015, 12:53:33 PM


Even though the card is slightly underwhelming, you're all are still watching it tonight.  You wouldn't have posted in this thread otherwise.   
 

You are incorrect.  I haven't paid for a PPV since the early 90s.   I will not be watching.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 29, 2015, 12:56:33 PM
You don't have to pay for it to watch it tonight. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 29, 2015, 01:01:01 PM
I just watched Wrestlemania 2000 yesterday. Such a perfect snapshot of the Attitude era in both the worst and best possible way. A really solid Wrestlemania, especially considering there was no Austin or Undertaker.

My expectations for Wrestlemania 30 were not high going in, but that ended up being a surprisingly solid Wrestlemania too, as good as it could have been given the card.
My expectations are much much much lower this year, and I'm not sure if it can be salvaged, but I'm still a little excited, because Wrestlemania is the one PPV of the year they pull out all stops and do something big.


My final predictions are-

Don't know/care who wins the tag titles, or the battle royal. Maybe Ryback? They're all jobbers. I was thinking Sheamus would return and win this, but now that it's on the preshow, that doesn't seem likely.

Orton vs Rollins - This could go either way. Rollins needs the win much more than Orton, but Orton just came back and is apparently supposed to be liked now.

Rusev vs Cena - I think this one is a definite lock for Cena. I can't see Rusev winning this match unless they do a screwball finish, which would be terrible for the end of a big feud at WM.

AJ Lee & Paige vs The Bellas - Probably the Bellas.

The Undertaker vs Bray Wyatt - I don't think having Undertaker lose two years in a row would benefit anyone, so I think The Undertaker should win this one, but there's a good case for them wanting Wyatt to win it.

Sting vs HHH - I think this is another sure thing with Sting winning, unless he intends to continue wrestling after this. For that reason, I hope Sting wins it and disappears.

IC ladder match - Daniel Bryan, unless Sheamus is in it, in which case Sheamus, which would ruin the one match I even care about. Hooray.

Lesnar vs Reigns - My money is still on Reigns winning, because Vince is a stubborn old fool. My expectations could not be lower, so if anything slightly different to "Reigns conquers the beast and wins the belt" happens, I'll consider it a success.

Someone told me there's a possible plan for Miz/Mizdow to have something happen in the battle royal and then have a match later in the night, which would be stupid as they've had plenty of time to build that up right and book a match.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaffa on March 29, 2015, 01:27:26 PM
Even though the card is slightly underwhelming, you're all are still watching it tonight.  You wouldn't have posted in this thread otherwise.  My predictions:

Nope.  I'll still get once it comes out on DVD - I have every Wrestlemania on DVD, and the collection has a lot of sentimental value for me, so I'm not ready to give up on it yet - but I'm definitely not watching it tonight. 

I don't even have any real problem with the card in and of itself, as I think most of the matches could have the potential to be good.  They just haven't done anything to make me excited about anything.  In my opinion, the build up has been kind of pathetic, and almost every feud and storyline has been awkward in some way or another.  Wyatt vs. Undertaker, for instance, could be a very interesting program for me, but considering the Undertaker hasn't actually shown up for any of it, it's been very difficult for me to muster any interest.  And I've been wanting Sting to show up in WWE for years, so that should be huge for me, but it isn't, because they've been treating him like a pure novelty attraction.  The only cool thing about Sting's appearances on RAW has been the basic fact that Sting was appearing on RAW.  Not to mention Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar, whose only physical interaction in the buildup to their Wrestlemania main event world championship match has been a tug of war.

The only feud that has been legitimately interesting to me is Rusev vs. Cena.  I might be excited about that match, except I'm 99% sure Cena is going to win.  I literally cannot imagine them ending this feud with Rusev gonig over Cena clean.  Maybe they'll surprise the hell out of me, but at this point, there's very little suspense for me, because the finish seems obvious. 

As I said, I'll get it on DVD eventually, and I'm sure some of the matches will be good, especially the ladder match.  But my excitement level is in the toilet. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 29, 2015, 01:44:18 PM
I might be excited about that match, except I'm 99% sure Cena is going to win.  I literally cannot imagine them ending this feud with Rusev gonig over Cena clean.  Maybe they'll surprise the hell out of me, but at this point, there's very little suspense for me, because the finish seems obvious. 

I feel the same. They shouldn't have had the match at Fast Lane, with Rusev getting the win on technicality. It made it too obvious that Cena had to get back the win at WM to end the feud. Wrestlemania should have been their first time, with one clean winner, and a big buildup.
Rusev getting the win at WM would have been the big story, not Cena getting the win, because that is the path of least resistance and the most obvious and boring outcome. They've booked this whole feud backwards, if they want to build up Rusev. He'll be back to beating up jobbers next week and never leave the midcard again. Then WWE wonders why they've got no stars anymore.
It would have been a big deal to see who would win out of their top guy of the past decade, and the guy on the 1 year winning streak (or at least not pinned or submitted). The Fast Lane match, plus their encounter on Raw just made it all too obvious who was going to win.
If Rusev got a clean win over Cena at WM? I'd be legitimate shocked, and pleasantly surprised.


I follow WWE Creative Humor ‏(@WWECreative_ish) that tweets the funniest stuff during the shows. Here are some of their gems today-

"WrestleMania is the magical day of the year where fans around the world gather in front of their TVs to bitch about wrestling"

"We will continue to move matches to the preshow until you start cheering for @WWERomanReigns"

"The winner of the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal will headline next year's WrestleMania...preshow"

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2015, 02:17:47 PM
So, I just read that Cena apparently lost by submission to Rusev at that Fast Lane PPV?  See, this just shows how clueless they are.  The first time Cena ever loses by submission, and it happened at a transitional PPV. :lol :lol :lol

You don't have to pay for it to watch it tonight. :lol

Lol, I am aware.  I might try to find a stream online at some point, but there's nothing this year that I really want to see.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: GentlemanofDread on March 29, 2015, 02:19:41 PM
So, I just read that Cena apparently lost by submission to Rusev at that Fast Lane PPV?  See, this just shows how clueless they are.  The first time Cena ever loses by submission, and it happened at a transitional PPV. :lol :lol :lol
They gave him the treatment Swagger had back in the Summer and Cena 'passed out' rather than tapped out.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 29, 2015, 02:21:34 PM


Even though the card is slightly underwhelming, you're all are still watching it tonight.  You wouldn't have posted in this thread otherwise.   
 

You are incorrect.  I haven't paid for a PPV since the early 90s.   I will not be watching.

Yet you still regularly visit and comment in the only wrestling thread on the board that you're an elder of?  And haven't watched a WWE PPV in over 20 years?  Strange.....
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 29, 2015, 02:21:45 PM
So, I just read that Cena apparently lost by submission to Rusev at that Fast Lane PPV?  See, this just shows how clueless they are.  The first time Cena ever loses by submission, and it happened at a transitional PPV. :lol :lol :lol


They had Rusev cheat and kick Cena in the balls and then Cena passed out during the submission, he didn't tap. Typical half-assed screwjob finish to protect both wrestler's reputations. At least that's what they think they're doing. Very clueless indeed.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2015, 02:23:26 PM
So, I just read that Cena apparently lost by submission to Rusev at that Fast Lane PPV?  See, this just shows how clueless they are.  The first time Cena ever loses by submission, and it happened at a transitional PPV. :lol :lol :lol


They had Rusev cheat and kick Cena in the balls and then Cena passed out during the submission, he didn't tap. Typical half-assed screwjob finish to protect both wrestler's reputations. At least that's what they think they're doing. Very clueless indeed.

Ah.



Even though the card is slightly underwhelming, you're all are still watching it tonight.  You wouldn't have posted in this thread otherwise.   
 

You are incorrect.  I haven't paid for a PPV since the early 90s.   I will not be watching.

Yet you still regularly visit and comment in the only wrestling thread on the board that you're an elder of?  And haven't watched a WWE PPV in over 20 years?  Strange.....

I said I haven't paid for a PPV since the early 90s. I think WM 7 or 8 was the last one I paid for.  SummerSlam '88 was the first I talked my parents into paying for back in the day.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 29, 2015, 02:26:33 PM
I think you read me wrong.  I said "you're all watching tonight".  You responded by saying I was incorrect and that you hadn't paid for a PPV since the early 90's. 

So are you saying you're not watching tonight because you don't pay for PPV's?  Or because you haven't watched one in over 20 years?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 29, 2015, 02:36:48 PM
JHC, what's with the semantics game? :lol :lol

I AM NOT WATCHING TONIGHT.

I NEVER said I haven't watched one in over 20 years.

Reading is fundamental.

Is that clear enough??
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: GentlemanofDread on March 29, 2015, 02:50:09 PM
Plus this is a Pro Wrestling thread! There's other promotions!
Speaking of other promotions, Ring of Honor just lost Tommaso Ciampa to the wild. Hoping WWE pick him up because Ciampa is a special talent.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 29, 2015, 02:55:55 PM
Plus this is a Pro Wrestling thread! There's other promotions!
Speaking of other promotions, Ring of Honor just lost Tommaso Ciampa to the wild. Hoping WWE pick him up because Ciampa is a special talent.

If he's a special talent, I'd hope for WWE not to get their hands on him. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on March 29, 2015, 04:20:59 PM
Whoever put those video packages together deserves a raise. I'm watching the pre-show and the videos that summarize  the "build" to mania are better than the actual build.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 29, 2015, 04:24:46 PM
I guess two months of time gives them just enough video to work with for the montage. And I'm out for now. I won't be seeing Wrestlemania until a few hours after it airs, so I don't want any spoilers.

And to the OP, please don't edit the thread title with any WM spoilers! I want to be able to browse GD safely.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 29, 2015, 05:07:47 PM
Its cool to have the day to night transition again. Always thought that was pretty cool.

Or maybe not, I'm bad with time zones
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: GentlemanofDread on March 29, 2015, 05:49:38 PM
THAT FINISH TO ROLLINS/ORTON HOLY HELL
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 29, 2015, 06:00:20 PM
I'm marking out
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on March 29, 2015, 06:04:44 PM
Triple H's entrance was pure cheese, but it was still pretty cool.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on March 29, 2015, 07:13:13 PM
Triple H's entrance was pure cheese, but it was still pretty cool.

would have looked MUCH better if they werent in a sunny outdoor arena. That entrance was begging for dark lighting.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 29, 2015, 08:18:14 PM
JHC, what's with the semantics game? :lol :lol

I AM NOT WATCHING TONIGHT.

I NEVER said I haven't watched one in over 20 years.

Reading is fundamental.

Is that clear enough??

Hence why I think it's strange that you frequent a WWE thread.  Oh well.

Missing out though.  Fantastic show so far
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: GentlemanofDread on March 29, 2015, 08:32:09 PM
Worst match was Taker/Bray but that was probably to do with some of the issues that surround them both.
...
Like a sprained ankle for Bray and an old broken body for Taker.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 29, 2015, 08:34:46 PM
I'd still give it a 7.5/10.  Bray told a good story
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 29, 2015, 09:00:46 PM
That was a sweet Wrestlemania, i really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 29, 2015, 09:01:54 PM
One of the best main events I've ever seen.  I NEVER thought I'd say it.  Absolutely BRILLIANT booking. 

I give WM31 9/10
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaffa on March 29, 2015, 09:03:56 PM
We're talking about Reigns/Lesnar?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 29, 2015, 09:09:09 PM
Not gonna lie, marked the fucked out at Rollins cashing in!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on March 29, 2015, 09:15:15 PM
Lesnar clotheslining Reigns off the ring apron got a pop out of me.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 29, 2015, 09:19:02 PM
Absolutely brilliant and brutal main event. Fantastic booking. Fantastic show!  :metal
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 29, 2015, 09:19:39 PM
I guess two months of time gives them just enough video to work with for the montage. And I'm out for now. I won't be seeing Wrestlemania until a few hours after it airs, so I don't want any spoilers.

And to the OP, please don't edit the thread title with any WM spoilers! I want to be able to browse GD safely.

Glad that you posted this  :angel:
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 29, 2015, 09:22:56 PM
In all of my years watching wrestling, I've NEVER once considered cashing in during a match.  Brilliant booking.  Made everyone look better.

That main event was totally Rocky IV. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on March 29, 2015, 09:50:25 PM
For a Wrestlemania with one of the worst build ups ever, I thought it actually turned out pretty good.

The Fatal 4 way tag match was fun, a bit too chaotic but fun. The only thing I did not like was the inclusion of the usos because since one of them is legitimately injured they had to pull him out fast. Why not pick a tag team with 2 healthy members like the acension, they could use it.

The andre the giant memorial battle royal was alright. It was nice to see mizdow finally turn on the miz, but it just made me wish miz vs mizdow was a mania match. I had no problem with Big show winning it. For a man who's been with the company as long as he's had I think he deserved a wrestlemania moment, since he has lost almost all of his matches at WM.

The IC title match was pretty solid but I wish it was longer. Ambrose has been screwed over repeatedly in all of his solo ppv matches, but I can't complain here that powerbomb to the outside was a good way to take him out of the match. With Bryan winning hopefully this is the first step in rebilding the IC title.

Seth Rollins vs Randy Orton was also pretty solid. I don't have much to say for this one it was a good match with a great finish.

Sting vs HHH I have mixed feelings on. It was a good match until the DX vs NWO stuff started. It was kinda fun to see them but it was just so unnecessary. I just wanted to see a normal match between these two. Especially since I thought sting looked good out there. He was energized and overall looked damn good for being 56. I hope this is not his last mach, because he still has some gas left in the tank and he deserves to go out on a much bigger note.

the bellas vs AJ & Paige was alright. There was nothing really wrong with this match but it just seemed kinda pointless since there was nothing at all on the line.

John Cena Vs Russev I enjoyed more than I thought I would even though the ending was totally predictable. Hopefully russev will be alright, I mean he lost but he still looked impressive IMO. It wasn't a one sided make cena look ridiculously strong match like I was fearing.  I do have to give cena some credit for that springboard stunner thing that he did.

Undertaker vs Bray Wyatt I thought was pretty good but I think it was harmed by the fact it happend in daylight. Taker looked 100x better than he did last year and I loved that he was wearing his 2004 attire. It was nice that they used the fact that he was severely concussed by lesnar and had Bray use it to his advantage (although he messed up what ever the hell that spot on the outside was.) Although it did not make Taker look the greatest. Overall I liked it and it was nice to see that taker has at least has a little left in him.

Brock Lesnar vs Roman Reigns I thought was a pleasent surprise. Roman got a lot more offense in than cena did at summerslam but brock still looked dominant throughout. Also it looked like they intentionally busted lesnar open on the ringpost which was a surprise. Its like they needed something as visual as blood to make seem possible that brock could come anywhere close to losing. Rollins coming out and cashing in was one of the best things they could have done. Rollins looked smart, Brock is still unpinned as champ and roman isn't the champ.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on March 29, 2015, 10:05:34 PM
Fantastic card! I enjoyed every match
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 29, 2015, 10:49:47 PM
I wish that now that Cena and Bryan are holding the secondary belts, WWE Creative tries to build them up and make them mean something!

But then again

(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/6da3895401bb1b7f7944a08c6c21733d/tumblr_nlcnhmHd7u1qjj817o1_r1_400.gif)


Some thoughts on Haitch/Sting:

That match was book exactly like a big WCW main event was booked! :lol And while the Sting mark in me wanted him to win, once it was a WCW vs WWE thing there was no chance for him. WCW is dead anyway so it doesn't matter, plus that handshake at the end kinda made sure no one was buried (and his oversold bump on Ronda Rousey's judo throw was hilarious!) I thought Sting look really good and would definitely want to see him again. Also, wth was that bruise on HHH's leg??
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: abydos on March 30, 2015, 12:01:06 AM
I just checked it out, skipped through most of it. I have to say, I did enjoy seeing Hogan, Hall and Nash. Those were my favourites back in the WCW days.
I don't watch MMA but damn, Rousey is so hot.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaffa on March 30, 2015, 02:29:46 AM
Ok, you guys talked me into finding a video of the main event.  I have to admit, that was a hell of a match. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 30, 2015, 05:29:47 AM
Well shit, that was good.

The opening IC match was great, although it would have been nice to have it longer. Obviously they wanted Bryan as far from the main event as possible, but he won the belt, and everyone looked good. Excellent way to open the show.

Randy Orton vs Seth Rollins wasn't very good. Orton looked really sluggish and out of shape, and he put on a poor performance even for him, and he didn't sell any moves. Rollins should not have lost that match. Orton needs to piss off.

The HHH / Sting match was surprisingly fun. The wrestling wasn't pretty, but it was better than I expected, and they gave the fans a good dose of nostalgia with DX vs NWO. I'm shocked that Sting lost, but in hindsight that shouldn't surprise me coming from HHH. HHH's entrance was cheesy as hell. Sting's wasn't much better.

The women's match was solid. I wish they had more time, but there was some good wrestling all around, and I'm happy that AJ / Paige won. I didn't like that Paige spent most of the match on the floor though. Paige's outfit was awesome.

John Cena vs Rusev was a really good match, easily the best Rusev has had, but the outcome could not have been more obvious. Yeah, Cena was going to tap out at WM when representing USA against Russia. Yup, that was totally a plausible outcome.
Rusev's entrance was amazing. Riding out on a fucking tank to the Russian national anthem while vigorously waving your flag and wearing a Russian teamster jacket. I love you Rocky IV gimmick man.

I could have done without the usual long winded HHH promo. Hey, it's the Rock. And now he's bringing in some fighter chick I've never heard of. You could have used this time for a match. I don't want to see this lead to any matches at next year's WM either. It also wore out the term "Wrestlemania moment". I think telling people you're making a Wrestlemania moment negates making a Wrestlemania moment. :lol It would have been fine if it took up half the amount of time.

The Undertaker vs Wyatt was almost sad to watch. Undertaker was looking better than last year, but not by much. He was struggling throughout the match, and it was completely forgettable. I don't know why they thought Wyatt could put on a good match. And both entrances were total buzzkills during the daytime. Hopefully they choose a better opponent for next year and Undertaker has one final match.

The title match. THAT TITLE MATCH. Holy crap, that was perfect. SUPLEX CITY, BITCH! The whole time I was worried because Reigns was smiling as he took the beating like the arrogant son of a bitch he's been since he won the Rumble, and I thought he was going to overcome all odds and look super strong, especially once he started giving the flurry of superman punches and spears.
Then once Rollins' music hit, I got excited. But then I figured they were just throwing him in there for Reigns to have someone to pin while Rollins was still distracted cashing in the briefcase, but then he got the pin without cheating.
I'm not happy about Reigns kicking out after 3 F5's in the match, or again after the first curb stomp, but they got to make Reigns look good without him winning the belt. It's a win-win as far as I'm concerned.

The stage setup and arena had a great vibe, the crowd was great, they packed in a lot of veterans, it really felt like a big Wrestlemania. Much like last year, they took what on paper looked like a pretty weak card, and turned it into a very enjoyable show.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 30, 2015, 07:18:09 AM
I went back to see the 4-way tag, man what a hot mess of a spot fest... loved every second of it!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 30, 2015, 07:33:22 AM
Wrestlemania is like the Super Bowl for my brother as well.  Reading the outcomes sounds like something he would have really enjoyed.  Can't wait to talk to him about it this evening.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: masterthes on March 30, 2015, 11:54:38 AM
There's a small part of me that wants to get back into the WWE. I was a huge Hulkamaniac, watched it on Saturdays, then became all about Taker and his mystique, then RAW came on and that was appointment TV for me for a long ass time. Then, there's the part of me that just got tired of the whole thing and says, nevermind, I'm good
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on March 30, 2015, 12:07:51 PM
I was too busy watching The Walking Dead and missed some of the later matches, but I don't watch wrestling too much anymore. My brother, father, and sister like it a lot, but I don't really watch it now unless it's Wrestlemania. I used to be really into it though. Kurt Angle will always probably be my favorite. Or Mick Foley.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 30, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
One of my favorites was Chris Benoit, and, well, you know...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on March 30, 2015, 12:16:40 PM
What? Is he not wrestling anymore?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaffa on March 30, 2015, 12:19:41 PM
...

 :(
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on March 30, 2015, 12:21:05 PM
Ok ok. :millahhhh
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on March 30, 2015, 12:22:10 PM
a tragic reminder that head injuries are a serious thing.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on March 30, 2015, 04:47:22 PM
REALLY excited for RAW tonight.  Post WM Raw's are always great and after last night's fantastic show, tonight should be great.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 30, 2015, 04:50:58 PM
I can't wait for the crowd tonight! If Sheamus does show up tonight, the rain of boos will be too sweet!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on March 30, 2015, 05:10:58 PM
I wonder how CM Punk feels about the UFC plugs and Rhonda Rousey showing up especially when he brought the idea to Vince he was totally against it, especially the women fighters. "People could die!" Maybe he doesn't care at this point, but I'd be pissed.

I didn't even know RR existed before yesterday, but damn she's a looker. The arm hold was a bit weak, but it was the only realistic thing they could do. Rolling around with Steph in a catfight would have destroyed her credibility.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 30, 2015, 07:35:32 PM
I think Brock Lesnar just killed everyone.  :lol :lol  But hey, that's one excuse to explain why Lesnar isn't there for months.

As for last night, reading the reviews, sounds like it was a good show.  Rollins cashing in seems like an audible similar to last year's, cause Vince knew that Reigns winning would erupt in boos that would have been deafening.  Like BVD said, Sting losing isn't a surprise in hindsight, since we know Vince loves any opportunity to make WCW guys look bad.  But Sting is overrated and probably got paid a ton for his handful of appearances and that loss, so I am sure he's just fine.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: PuffyPat on March 30, 2015, 07:44:21 PM
i haven't watched the wwe in years. but tonight is the night i change that. i was gonna watch wrestlemania last night, but i had to work.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on March 30, 2015, 07:53:10 PM
Loved Brock coming in and fucking all shit up! Laughed as hell as Booker and JBL had to sell like death a table falling on them :lol

But holy shit this guy they have replacing them is baaaaaad!

EDIT: Oh god now they brought out King!!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on March 30, 2015, 07:58:32 PM
He's bad, but I'd rather listen to him than the other 3 guys.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 30, 2015, 08:02:26 PM
The Raw after Wrestlemania is always one of the best of the year.

I rewatched the title match, and the more I think about it, the more perfect it was. It worked out best all around. They got to make Reigns look really strong and survive a beating by Lesnar without winning the belt and having him piss off the fans. They got to keep Lesnar looking strong and unbeatable and take the belt off him without him being pinned. They got to elevate Rollins to champion as he deserves.

And the best bit is that they've got a lot of potential title matches that write themselves. Lesnar will get a rematch at some point, and can either win it back, or lose because Rollins is a heel who will cheat to retain. Reigns can feud with Rollins based on both robbing him of his title shot and being a former Shield member, and it helps lift Reigns to main event status where they want him, so he can still eventually win if things work out. This is the better scenario for him in the long run. And Orton could argue that he deserves a shot because he cleanly defeated Rollins at WM, and there's already a long running feud there, so that already makes him a legitimate contender for the title without any work.

And on top of that, Rollins is a star who has stolen the show at every PPV, so you're also going to have great title matches regardless of the challenger.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Illethal on March 30, 2015, 08:06:30 PM
Raw after Wrestlemania is always a good show. Especially coming off of one of the hottest Wrestlemanias!

Seriously, that show last night reinvigorated why I love wrestling.

(I'm new here, glad to see some fellow DT fans are WWE fans as well!)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 30, 2015, 09:19:37 PM
The Raw after Wrestlemania is always one of the best of the year.
 

Change that to "almost always."  With the exception of the Lesnar segment, tonight was just another mediocre RAW. 

Kane and Show in the main event?  :lol :lol

I don't know who that guy was who took over play-by-play, but he was dreadful.  Which is putting it nicely.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 31, 2015, 06:17:10 AM
That main event was the only major weak part of the show to me. The rest was a bit better than usual. Some good match ups, Lesnar tore it up, and no HHH at all. But I say it's one of the best of the year mostly due to the crowd, and they didn't disappoint. I wish the crowds gave that much of a shit all year-round. :lol

And yeah, that guy on commentary sucked big time. I've never liked him when they him on panel discussions and whatever else. You know a guy is bad when you're glad they bring out the king. :lol
And I know they had to sell that a table flip took out two guys (who are both ex-wrestlers), but surely someone was capable of putting an up-turned table back to the upward position. Those tables break at the drop of a hat. Nobody believes they weigh that much.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 31, 2015, 04:28:05 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBY8OVhUMAASqyZ.jpg)

 :lol :lol

Oh, and this gif from WM is pretty cool:

(http://i.imgur.com/m4ALEPX.gif)

Now I want to see that match just for that ending. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 31, 2015, 04:42:20 PM
Oh, and this gif from WM is pretty cool:

(http://i.imgur.com/m4ALEPX.gif)

Now I want to see that match just for that ending. :lol

Don't bother. You've literally seen every bit of that match worth seeing. All you're missing is 10 minutes of Orton sluggishly not selling.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 31, 2015, 05:45:55 PM
I suppose.  But I have no problem with Orton winning that match.  Considering what Rollins did to him in kayfabe - putting him out for months by curb stomping him - Orton returning as a face and winning their match was only natural.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 31, 2015, 06:10:36 PM
In retrospect I don't have a problem with Orton winning, given that Rollins is a heel and won the title later that night, which automatically sets up a potential title match, I just didn't like the way Orton handled the match itself at all. I've never liked Orton's in ring ability (or anything out of the ring either), but he was really out of shape in this match imo, and did nothing to help Rollins look competitive.
I can't wait for the day when talent is more important than how good buddies you are with HHH.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on March 31, 2015, 07:28:13 PM
If you listen closely you can hear Rollins thanking Reigns as he's pinning him. Unless my computer just sucks (and it does) your best bet is to just find the show, 'cause the vine that's floating around doesn't appear to be working. Pretty cool.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on March 31, 2015, 07:34:27 PM
Heh, that's funny.

Also, do you guys realize how much Rollins sounds like Punk?  When he talks in that candid voice, he sounds like just CM Punk, with the voice inflections and the way he phrases things.  I think it goes without saying that Punk is one wrestler Rollins definitely patterned himself after.  They even have the same smarmy grin. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: LordCost on April 02, 2015, 11:21:53 AM
I watched Wrestlemania this afternoon and I agree with you that it was a great show! It was fun to watch through all the 4 and more hours. The divas match and Taker vs Wyatt were the only average matches, a very consistent show. I thought the ladder match would be more spectacular but I didn't expect much from all the other matches, I was surprised, especially by the main event!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on April 02, 2015, 08:42:52 PM
Fun fact:

-Four men have lost the WWE title in the last year; three of those four did not get pinned or submit to lose the title (Orton and Lesnar lost in triple threat matches where someone else took the losing fall, and Bryan was stripped of the title last spring).
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on April 02, 2015, 09:20:12 PM
Another fun fact:

Since the "inception" of the WWE World Heavyweight Championship only two persons have gotten their rematch after losing at the next PPV. Both of them are John Cena.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on April 03, 2015, 08:04:10 AM
I'm likely getting the DVD of WM31- I enjoyed it greatly and would rank it near or at the top for WM'S of all time.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 03, 2015, 08:57:30 AM
I'm likely getting the DVD of WM31- I enjoyed it greatly and would rank it near or at the top for WM'S of all time.
My brother told me it was one of his favorite ones ever.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ZKX-2099 on April 04, 2015, 07:17:58 AM
I was so happy when Brock hit that first F5 on Roman.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on April 04, 2015, 10:06:11 AM
My favorite Wrestlemania will always be WM17.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on April 04, 2015, 06:32:05 PM
My favorite Wrestlemania will always be WM17.

Yeah that's pretty much the best card ever
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 04, 2015, 06:43:32 PM
I was so happy when Brock hit that first F5 on Roman.

Me too. Roman got his ass handed to him  :metal
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on April 04, 2015, 06:50:52 PM
AJ Lee has, unsurprisingly, retired from the WWE.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on April 04, 2015, 08:21:50 PM
AJ Lee has, unsurprisingly, retired from the WWE.

I figured that was going to happen sooner then later
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 04, 2015, 11:30:16 PM
Everybody saw that coming. Just before WM I was discussing with someone that after WM would be the time to go before things went downhill, so I think this was the right decision at the right time for her.

Rewatched the Undertaker / Punk match from WM 29 today. Damn, Taker was still in top shape there and was looking like he could have easily gone longer. Great match. Hopefully he can be match ready for one last match at WM 32 in Texas.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: GentlemanofDread on April 05, 2015, 04:30:18 AM
Rewatched the Undertaker / Punk match from WM 29 today. Damn, Taker was still in top shape there and was looking like he could have easily gone longer. Great match. Hopefully he can be match ready for one last match at WM 32 in Texas.
A very good match, with probably the most heelish build for a wrestler I can imagine. Probably my third favourite Taker's Streak matches.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ZKX-2099 on April 05, 2015, 07:09:42 AM
I'll always be fond of his match with Batista at 23. He was in top form there too... and I was there.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 05, 2015, 07:17:10 AM
i was fortunate enough to attend WM 21, and I thought that the build and match between Taker and Orton was outstanding.


But overall... hard to top Taker/Michaels at WM 25.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Illethal on April 05, 2015, 10:57:07 AM
I was lucky enough to attend WM28 in Miami.

Needless to say, if you have the means to attend a Wrestlemania, DO IT.

I met so many cool people in my section (I was on the floor risers, maybe about 50ft from the ring).

We did not sit down once during the Undertaker/HHH match. Every hit, every pin attempt, every kick out, my entire section freaked out. The emotion in that match was off the charts. HBKs super kick into the pedigree combo, oh god the entire section just about lost it. I get goosebumps just thinking about it.

But seriously, if you are any type of wrestling fan and have a chance to go to a Wrestlemania, DO IT! Being around nothing but true wrestling fans for a few hours was amazing, made even the suckiest of matches so much better. I've been to a few Raws and Smackdowns, and they are usually littered with kids that dragged their parents to the event, so its hard to show emotion when you got these parents looking at you like your crazy lol.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on April 05, 2015, 10:59:54 AM
A guy I worked with at the time tried talking me into going to 1,000th RAW a few summers back, which was here in St. Louis, but I told him that went against my policy of giving Vince McMahon money for anything. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on April 05, 2015, 11:34:50 AM
i was fortunate enough to attend WM 21, and I thought that the build and match between Taker and Orton was outstanding.


But overall... hard to top Taker/Michaels at WM 25.
That was still "Legends Killer" Orton right? Man, that was the best Orton!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 05, 2015, 03:43:58 PM
i was fortunate enough to attend WM 21, and I thought that the build and match between Taker and Orton was outstanding.


But overall... hard to top Taker/Michaels at WM 25.

Both of his Michaels matches are hard to top. I hate the 2 more recent HHH matches. Typical HHH matches where he makes himself look super strong and relies on weapons. The WM17 HHH match was great though. :tup
I've never seen the Orton or Batista ones that I can remember, because it's so hard to voluntarily watch their matches, even for The Undertaker.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Jaffa on April 05, 2015, 05:23:39 PM
i was fortunate enough to attend WM 21, and I thought that the build and match between Taker and Orton was outstanding.


But overall... hard to top Taker/Michaels at WM 25.

Both of his Michaels matches are hard to top. I hate the 2 more recent HHH matches. Typical HHH matches where he makes himself look super strong and relies on weapons. The WM17 HHH match was great though. :tup
I've never seen the Orton or Batista ones that I can remember, because it's so hard to voluntarily watch their matches, even for The Undertaker.

I strongly encourage you to watch Orton vs. Undertaker. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 05, 2015, 05:29:01 PM
I've already watched one Orton match in the past week, so I think I'm at my limit, and that match certainly did nothing to convince me to watch more. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: SuperTaco on April 06, 2015, 09:01:43 AM
I'm going to miss AJ Lee. She was my favorite diva for a really long time. It looks like she may be starting a family though, so all the best to her :)

WM31 was solid with a couple of spectacular moments. Orton's RKO made me damn near jump out of my seat. The DX/NWO stuff during the HHH/Sting match was right up my alley, since I used to watch all those guys during their heyday (Except Hogan, he was before my time). Seeing Scott Hall and Hogan take a bump was great to see, considering the health issues those two have had over the years.

The Lesnar/Reigns match was stellar. The psychology was great, Lesnar looked as dominant as ever, while Reigns finally established himself as a top guy. I even got my wish on the finish, when Rollins successfully cashed in. I did disagree with one thing, though. The fourth F5 to Reigns should have been the third, and the third F5 should not have happened at all. It was the only hiccup in the match. Here you have Reigns doing something that not even Undertaker could do, which is kick out of three F5's, including 2 in succession. That is not believable to me. I was totally invested in the match until that happened. Reigns is not on the level of Taker. Not even close.

Other than that, it was better than I expected. I wish Ryback won the Battle Royal, and I wish Sting won his match, but that's the way she goes.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on April 06, 2015, 07:08:59 PM
Only Byron Saxton can make Michael Cole look great.  Seriously, Cole is still "out" cause of the Lesnar beatdown and Saxton is the best they got to replace him? :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 06, 2015, 08:03:19 PM
Neville vs. Rollins? Oh hell yeah!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on April 07, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
You gaaaiizzz you need to watch more NJPW if you aren't because AJ Styles is catching people off Phoenix Splashes and into his finisher! (https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CB0nw_uUoAA7xM4.mp4)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 07, 2015, 03:25:52 PM
I'm good. Actually appalled that he refuses to change his finisher.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: abydos on April 07, 2015, 03:37:13 PM
Why should he change it?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on April 07, 2015, 04:08:54 PM
Because last year two guys got legitimately hurt taking the move. They tucked in their head making them land on their neck.

Also, "refuse" is a pretty strong word to use here, has he gone on record saying that? Or are we just going off on him still using it?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 07, 2015, 05:29:15 PM
Yeah you're right. He never refused, so poor choice of words. He said that he doesn't have to do it to guys who are uncomfortable with taking it, but I'm of the opinion that he should take the initiative of retiring the move. Even if the accidents were 100% on the other person, him not doing the move would prevent future incidents. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Ħ on April 08, 2015, 09:45:31 PM
I watched Taker vs Wyatt and Reigns vs Lesnar today. Two solid matches as far as wrestling goes, though I didn't understand the angles (mainly because I haven't been keeping up.

Taker is looking strong, much better than last year or the year before that. Doesn't look like he needs to be carried as much anymore. Though to be fair I heard Wyatt was injured.

Reigns vs Lesnar was a great match. For a Wrestlemania main event booking, it sounded awful. Neither are that entertaining, IMO. But the match told a story, and of course Rollins is pretty cool.

I noticed after looking at the results - no matches longer than 20 minutes. Smart move. We've had too many grueling borefests in the past couple years.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 08, 2015, 09:56:21 PM
Taker is looking strong, much better than last year or the year before that. Doesn't look like he needs to be carried as much anymore. Though to be fair I heard Wyatt was injured.

There's no comparison between Taker this year and against CM Punk a couple of years ago. Against CM Punk, Undertaker was in top form, and easily looked like he could have kept going. This year was marginally better than last year, but he was still struggling to get up, and looked winded the entire time. He needed someone better to carry him.

It was really interesting that for a WM of big singles matches, none of them really went that long, which was surprising given that there weren't that many matches on the show, and it didn't feel padded aside from the HHH/Rock segment.
It was a smart move to not have the title match go on too long, because Reigns couldn't have sustained it. I initially expected that match was going to be the worst thing since Lesnar/Goldberg, but I really don't think they could have done any better with that match. I even rewatched it the next day, and it was still just as enjoyable.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Sub Luna Vitrea on April 20, 2015, 03:38:10 PM
undertaker still wrestles? jesus
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 21, 2015, 12:00:48 AM
God, that was an especially awful Raw. Way too much Orton (ie. more than zero), HHH is back with his usual long promo for nothing, Sheamus is back to ruin good matches, the Cena match was wasted on tired old has-been Kane, more throwaway matches than usual, and no Bryan at the moment. I skimmed through that one much faster than usual.

It's no coincidence that episodes of Raw without HHH+friends are noticeably better.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on April 21, 2015, 05:29:28 AM
They really need to go back to the two hour Raw. Extra revenue notwithstanding, even Hunter has mentioned this should happen
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Sub Luna Vitrea on April 21, 2015, 05:44:13 AM
Undertaker was old, fat and useless when I was still watching wrestling (at least 15 years ago). How on earth is he still drawing a crowd?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 21, 2015, 05:46:48 AM
Because most of his best matches have been in the last 15 years.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Sub Luna Vitrea on April 21, 2015, 06:03:40 AM
I miss the days when old wrestlers retired to WCW.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: abydos on April 21, 2015, 10:51:34 AM
I miss WCW too. For a while it was way better than WWF which had only 3 people worth watching.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on April 21, 2015, 05:41:03 PM
I miss WCW too. For a while it was way better than WWF which had only 3 people worth watching.

I don't know. Have you watched Nitro recently? Even before Russo, that shit was pretty bad. I definitely had nostalgia glasses on.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on April 21, 2015, 06:58:12 PM
Yeah, even the nWo storyline was only so great for so long.  They ruined it quickly by turning too many people, to where you'd have Nitros where there were 20 nWo guys in the ring, and it was just stupid.  It should have always been just four or five of them against all of WCW, but Bischoff was so worried about ratings and beating the WWF that he needed the shock factor of "who will turn this week?" to get people to watch.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 22, 2015, 06:34:36 AM
Yeah, I was raised on Mid-Atlantic Wrestling/NWA.  But when it changed over to WCW, with Turner delegating control to the assemblage of idiots he had, it was never better than WWF/WWE.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on April 27, 2015, 01:04:04 PM
I've been catching back up with all of the old attitude era RAW's on the network lately.  It's amazing how they had such a tighter and more exciting show back then.  I remember watching all of them live, but just don't remember them being this good.  1 huge difference, little to ZERO commercial breaks in matches.  Which happens during virtually every televised match nowadays. 

Last night during the Extreme Rules pre-show (on the network) they literally had a commercial break in the MIDDLE OF A MATCH on their own network for....the WWE NETWORK. 

They should be embarrassed. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: GentlemanofDread on April 27, 2015, 01:36:06 PM
They do it every time.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Marion Crane on April 27, 2015, 01:58:27 PM
I don't ever recall seeing a commercial during a match on the network before
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on April 27, 2015, 06:45:05 PM
So is Cena going to make Rusev look like a sissy in their I Quit match like he did Batista?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on April 27, 2015, 07:30:15 PM
I'm just interested in what they do with Lana. She is an absolute smoke show
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on April 27, 2015, 07:32:20 PM
I wish the Belle Twins would go away.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 27, 2015, 09:41:11 PM
So is Cena going to make Rusev look like a sissy in their I Quit match like he did Batista?

4 PPV matches in a row, with what will be 3 losses for Rusev. I just don't get the point of that. Was having him lose to Cena at WM not enough? And this doesn't help Cena either, because then people think Cena buries people, when he's not the one booking it.

Sunday Night Raw...... I mean Extreme Rules was even worse than expected. A few surprise results, like Ziggler actually winning a match, but overall it was even worse than expected, with no good matches.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on April 28, 2015, 09:35:57 AM
The crowd didn't help anything, although we can't blame 'em for being asleep most of the show.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on April 28, 2015, 10:15:14 AM
If you didn't think there were any good matches on Extreme Rules I don't know what you watched because the tag team match was a ton of fun and Ziggler/Sheamus was good.

About that next I Quit match between Cena/Rusev, if Rusev doesn't threaten Lana's safety to make Cena quit then the match would be a complete waste.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 28, 2015, 10:24:12 AM
If you didn't think there were any good matches on Extreme Rules I don't know what you watched because the tag team match was a ton of fun and Ziggler/Sheamus was good.

Eh, by today's WWE standards they were ok, but they weren't great by any stretch. I can't recall anything in particular from them.
And it's especially hard to take any interest in WWE's half assed tag scene when Lucha Underground is doing stuff like this-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRWZbLrGJIo&feature=youtu.be&t=375
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on April 28, 2015, 10:33:11 AM
Oh yeah, I've been catching up on Lucha Underground after I saw that and that 10 way match from a few months back.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on April 28, 2015, 06:15:56 PM
Top rope stomp? That's..... Quite dangerous. But that high flying maneuver was awesome.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 22, 2015, 12:46:40 AM
Angelico does it again on Lucha Underground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuSgGtD2S7Y

Every wrestling fan should be watching this show.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Syzzle on May 22, 2015, 07:05:37 AM
So good to see Samoa Joe with WWE hopefully they give him a decent run, but it's WWE so who knows what will happen. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on May 22, 2015, 09:04:35 AM
So good to see Samoa Joe with WWE hopefully they give him a decent run, but it's WWE so who knows what will happen. :lol

It would be interesting to see him on the main roster and what he does. But I also wouldn't be surprised if he is gone quickly either
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on May 22, 2015, 09:43:51 AM
So good to see Samoa Joe with WWE hopefully they give him a decent run, but it's WWE so who knows what will happen. :lol

If he stays on NXT i'm sure he will have a good run.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: ozzy554 on May 30, 2015, 08:43:47 PM
so apparently Kevin Owens has already been signed to the main roster. I hope HHH makes sure Vince doesn't do something stupid with him because he is the best heel in the company right now IMO.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on May 30, 2015, 10:37:08 PM
Angelico does it again on Lucha Underground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuSgGtD2S7Y

Every wrestling fan should be watching this show.
Indeed! It's so fun and over the top I love it!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 30, 2015, 10:41:36 PM
The return of Mexican Undertaker Mil Muertes this week was pretty awesome too. That little venue has so many possibilities for "holy shit" moments! :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on May 30, 2015, 10:46:11 PM
Yeah, I'm such a mark for Mil Muertes, but then again I've been following Ricky Banderas/El Mesías/Mil Muertes since he started out.

But who I've become such a mark and I'm all in for is Pentagón Jr.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 30, 2015, 10:57:19 PM
I've only been following this stuff since Lucha Underground, and only since Aztec warfare, so I'm a noob. I llike Pentagon Jr too, heck I like most of them. There's very rarely a dull match.
I've taken a liking to (Willie) Mack. He looks like a crummy 1980's WWF jobber, but that man can move! :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on May 30, 2015, 11:07:48 PM
Yeah you're right, there's very rarely a dull match!

But man everything about Pentagón is just awesome to me! The look, the way he carries himself, the "CERO MIEDO" line and the hand gesture and, of course, the move set

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/c57f2186e6b1bdae7896f2416625e63d/tumblr_nocfidhCpt1rofocqo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 30, 2015, 11:14:24 PM
I remember that one well! Brutal. Was that in the 7 way match? It's like every other promotion can do multi-person matches well except for WWE.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on May 31, 2015, 01:46:32 AM
Whenever there's a battle royal or even just a huge brawl in WWE, all the wrestlers look lost. They kind of just wander around and look confused. It's like if it's not a spot they're fucked. You'd think working together for years would develop some kind of chemistry.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 31, 2015, 01:50:23 AM
In WWE, they'll just immediately pair off and get fake injured on the outside so they can lie there while two people at a time come in for a quick spot.
The 7 man match on Lucha Underground a few weeks ago started off a little slow like that, but once it got going, it was crazy.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on May 31, 2015, 07:20:48 AM
It was insane! Lucha Underground is so awesome!

You're doing yourself a disservice by not watching it if you're a wrestling fan.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 01, 2015, 07:56:06 AM
I had moderate hopes for Elimination Chamber, and it exceeded my expectations. Solid PPV.

The tag team elimination chamber went well, and I was happy with the outcome (I want to see Cesaro/Kidd win it at some point though).
The women's match was decent for a Divas match, and Naomi didn't win and got pinned. I want Paige to win it back, but that can also come later.
The Owens/Cena match turned out well, with both men putting on a good show. Since it was non title, I was hoping and kind of expecting Owens would win, and it works out best for both guys. Let's hope Cena doesn't get booked to beat him for 3 PPVs in a row like his last feud. :lol
Neville got wasted in what is usually the divas spot. Poor guy. He deserves better.
The IC match was crap, and Ryback? Really? I was expecting Sheamus to win it (which I wouldn't have been happy about either). What a huge downgrade from Bryan.
Title match was solid, but not up to the standard of their matches last year. Obviously Rollins wasn't losing the belt, so it was obvious the decision was getting overturned, but this wasn't a bad way to end the match considering. Having Ambrose pinned cleanly wouldn't have helped him, and as far as screwy finishes go, the reversed decision isn't a bad choice, and Ambrose will get another title match out of it.

Aside from Wrestlemania, I think that was probably the most consistent PPV of the year.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: KevShmev on June 01, 2015, 02:34:29 PM
Reading about the finish, this is the legacy that dipshit Dusty Rhodes has left on the industry: fake out finishes that pull the rug out from fans, by nullifying big wins, almost always by faces, and for the stupidest freaking reasons.  I thought those kind of finishes sucked back then and they suck now.  I lost track of how many NWA PPVs had sucky endings in the later 80s thanks to what was deemed a Dusty finish.  Worst booker ever.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Dimitrius on June 01, 2015, 04:28:49 PM
I enjoyed the main event a lot, until the Dusty Finish, I saw it a mile away!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: BlobVanDam on June 01, 2015, 09:12:57 PM
I enjoyed the main event a lot, until the Dusty Finish, I saw it a mile away!

The sad part is that it was so obvious, that when Ambrose won, we didn't even get excited because it was clear what they were doing.
But given that Ambrose was never going to win, I was ok with it.

Although it goes to show how jaded a WWE fan I am that I consider that one of the best outcomes. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: Zook on June 09, 2015, 02:56:12 PM
Ryback's mic skills sure did improve.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - NXT > WWE
Post by: jjrock88 on June 09, 2015, 06:02:49 PM
Ryback's mic skills sure did improve.

He's improving quite a bit overall
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 11, 2015, 12:16:00 PM
Rest in Piece to the American Dream.....

http://www.wwe.com/
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 12:27:12 PM
RIP Dusty.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Cool Chris on June 11, 2015, 01:47:00 PM
My favorite wrestling feud of all time was Rhodes vs the Four Horsemen. Thank you Dusty for the memories.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2015, 06:26:17 PM
I was never a fan of Dusty Rhodes, as a wrestler or a booker, but he definitely had charisma, and proved that you didn't need to look like you lived in the gym to be a top wrestling star.  R.I.P.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: mrrct on June 11, 2015, 09:02:07 PM
Da Uhmehikin Dweem, takin' it to da big pay winda in the sky.

Even if his booking sucked, the man was a great speaker, though.  His "Hard Times" promo was one of the best ever, right up there with CM Punk's pipe bomb and Chris Jericho's promo for his WWF debut.  Jim Cornette also had some good ones when he was managing the Midnight Express.

R.I.P. Dusty
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: jjrock88 on June 12, 2015, 01:06:34 AM
One of the best of all time

RIP
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 13, 2015, 06:01:02 AM
I loved Dusty.

RIP
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: ozzy554 on June 15, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
Money in the bank was a bit disappointing but still alright in my opinion.

The MITB match being first on the card was surprising. I didn't expect it to be the main event because of the title match but I wasn't expecting it to be first. I thought it was pretty good but kinda forgettable. I was actually surprised that sheamus won, I really like heel Sheamus so I can't complain. I hope that the Wyatt/reigns feud that they set up lasts a while because just throwing him at everybody isnt doing him any favors and it could be good for both men

I cant judge the divas match because my stream was acting up and I missed a good chunk of it. That ending however was dusty as hell.

I was actually enjoying Big show vs Ryback which was surprising. Then they decided Miz had to interfere to set up a triple threat at battleground or maybe even summerslam.

Kevin Owens vs John Cena once again stole the show for me. Cena even pulled out all the stops with moves I've never seen from him before. Even though some of his experiments didn't work out as well as he would have liked it was nice to see. I did not mind the ending (even though cena did an awful job of taking the apron powerbomb) and I am looking forward to the rubber match.

The New Day vs The Prime Time Players was also pretty good. I think Titus and young are very entertaining and I am glad that they won the titles.

Ambrose vs rollins was my second favorite match of the night. I'm glad they FINALLY put rollins out there on his own with out J&J and Interference Kane. Rollins was in control for most of the match focusing on Ambrose's leg which you don't see much of anymore. I did wish Ambrose got some more offence in but overall I really liked it. I just hope creative has something lined up for Ambrose now that this feud is over (well at least for now.)



Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: jjrock88 on June 15, 2015, 09:40:53 PM
I would imagine Owens-Cena 3 will be at Summerslam. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Dimitrius on July 08, 2015, 06:03:04 PM
Holy shit! Cesaro and Cena tore the house down on Monday!

VKM says that Cesaro "doesn't connect with fans"?? LOL

He doesn't need to have a big personality! Just continually do what you did on Monday! Tell him to go out there with a quality worker and tell him to tear the house down!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: jjrock88 on July 08, 2015, 07:13:43 PM
Cesaro is awesome
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 08, 2015, 11:26:01 PM
Holy shit! Cesaro and Cena tore the house down on Monday!

VKM says that Cesaro "doesn't connect with fans"?? LOL

He doesn't need to have a big personality! Just continually do what you did on Monday! Tell him to go out there with a quality worker and tell him to tear the house down!

And people think Cena can't wrestle, when he continually brings his A game.
Fantastic match. Cesaro is like Daniel Bryan in that he's not great on the mic, but stick him in the ring with someone capable, and people are going to respond well to his impressive skills. It was such a pleasant surprise to have a 20 minute wrestling match as the main event of Raw.
That and Lesnar going all Street Fighter on that car were the only redeeming qualities of Raw.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Cool Chris on July 20, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAv72T_3T74

Poor Teddy.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 20, 2015, 01:54:12 PM
Wrestling is awesome
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: kaos2900 on July 22, 2015, 12:16:20 PM
Was big on wrestling years ago during the Attitude era. No interest now, but I just saw a thing on John Cena doing another Make-A-Wish thing. Guy seems like legit good human being.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 22, 2015, 12:20:54 PM
Was big on wrestling years ago during the Attitude era. No interest now, but I just saw a thing on John Cena doing another Make-A-Wish thing. Guy seems like legit good human being.

John Cena is a great guy. From interviews he seems genuinely very humble, hard working, and completely selfless. If he chose to, he could be complacent and lazy and pull moves to get what he wants, but he's constantly pushing himself in the ring, helping out other guys, and is a fantastic ambassador for the company.
That's why despite not liking his character, I just can't possibly hate the guy, and I get why they stick with his gimmick.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: jjrock88 on July 22, 2015, 03:53:58 PM
I just can't see Cena ever turning heel for the sole reason of all the ambassador/make a wish events that he does.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Zook on July 23, 2015, 06:10:08 PM
I liked the spring board stunner when it was first used, but it worked because it was RKO OUT OF NOWHERE, but now that he does it every match, it's not a surprise anymore, and it sucks that his opponents have to let him do it even when it can be easily avoided. "ok I'll just stand here and watch you jump off the rope."

Similarly, I hate the shoulder tackles into the Five Knuckle Shuffle. It's like an uncounterable move in the Smackdown games. --> + Square initiates the move, two tackles, and after the second one the opponent absolutely has to swing at him, and then the back drop. Hell, when Kevin Owens steals the move even John Cena goes for the swing.

The obvious leg slaps for effect were always silly, but Roman Reigns is so obvious with them it's annoying.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 24, 2015, 06:57:53 AM
So apparently Hulk Hogan made a racist tirade and the WWE has removed him from Tough Enough and removed all traces of him from their website.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: jingle.boy on July 24, 2015, 06:59:11 AM
Guess he recently read Michael Richards' memoirs?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 24, 2015, 07:02:44 AM
I heard about that. I think it was stuff he said a few years ago. It's no surprise they kept him on a tighter leash when he was back in WWE than their other legends. It's bad enough to say these kinds of things at all, but someone who's been around for as long as him should definitely know better than to say them publicly.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: kaos2900 on July 24, 2015, 09:37:57 AM
I read an excerpt of the interview, and not hearing the context of the quote I personally don't see what the big deal is. I don't think he was maliciously using the word in a derogatory/racist fashion. That being said, the Hulkster has been washed up for awhile now so I don't see why the WWE brought him back in the first place.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: El Barto on July 24, 2015, 10:13:59 AM
From what I gather he didn't say them publicly. It was pillow talk, quite possibly from that sex tape a couple of years ago. Just another example of people no longer allowed to be an asshole, even in the privacy of their own house.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 24, 2015, 10:32:24 AM
From what I gather he didn't say them publicly. It was pillow talk, quite possibly from that sex tape a couple of years ago. Just another example of people no longer allowed to be an asshole, even in the privacy of their own house.

I've seen a few different comments mentioned, both from public interviews, and from private conversations, so I'm not 100% of what exactly weighed in to their decision.

These companies don't really care that they've employed assholes, but they care that the public knows they've employed assholes, and want to distance themselves from it purely for the sake of PR.

The irony is that firing Hulk Hogan turned it into a much bigger public story than it otherwise would have been to a few wrestling fans. The other irony is that WWE is a pretty racist company (or at least Vinnie Mac), so it's almost hypocritical. The only difference is that Vince's racism isn't so blatant to shareholders.

WWE is very touchy with these kinds of things these days, and while I'm all for Hulk Hogan's (or anyone's) freedom to be an asshole, as a public figure, public perception is important.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Anguyen92 on July 24, 2015, 11:03:35 AM
I also read from the reports at 411mania.com was that part of his racist rant was that he made racial derogatory comments on, wait for it, The Rock.  One commenter in that article stated something along of lines of this. 

Quote
"Various media outlets, including (the link that I got this from), have received short audio of a disgustingly racist rant Hogan unleashed toward fellow wrestler, Dwayne Johnson, otherwise known as The Rock. Among other things, Hogan calls Johnson,

“An uppity, half-breed ni**er undeserving of his success”

“An untalented, no-good shit talking Sambo”

And also claims

“I never liked having to wrestle with anybody who wasn’t white”

http://411mania.com/wrestling/hulk-hogan-apparently-gone-from-wwe/

Of course, it's from a comment section, so there's not much weight on it yet until there's actual audio of it to confirm it.  Now I don't know how accurate this is, and I hope Hogan really didn't say what he say about the Rock.  The Rock wrestling in his prime, he was the full consummate professional that pretty much earned everything amount of praise he received, and did what's best for the good of the company.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: mrrct on July 24, 2015, 11:09:29 AM
How many times has Vince said that he would never use Hogan again, only to bring him back.  This time will be no different, and he'll be back once this blows over.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 24, 2015, 11:14:55 AM
How many times has Vince said that he would never use Hogan again, only to bring him back.  This time will be no different, and he'll be back once this blows over.

It might just be a kneejerk reaction by WWE, or they might know more of the story than we do and he's entirely screwed.
Depending on what of this ends up being truth, they might bring him back for WM next year, as they're going to need all the starpower they can get to put butts in seats. But I wouldn't expect him back before or after then. He's nothing but a mascot at this point anyway.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: KevShmev on July 24, 2015, 04:55:34 PM
Anybody who heard Hogan's comments about his son's friend who was injured badly in that car accident years ago, knows that he is a POS.  Hearing this news today, I wasn't surprised at all. 

Pretty crazy to think that two of the most beloved celebrities in the 80s were Hulk Hogan and Bill Cosby, and now both of their reputations are in the toilet for good.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: jjrock88 on July 24, 2015, 06:48:13 PM
sad to hear
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: ozzy554 on July 24, 2015, 07:33:12 PM
well I guess its time for the return of Mr. America https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNavOLpxHek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNavOLpxHek)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Dimitrius on July 25, 2015, 08:07:46 PM
Private or not, there should be no room for something as ignorant as racism in 2015! So, good riddance!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 27, 2015, 07:51:35 AM
This is both the best and worst thing ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTSahJxT0Q
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: jingle.boy on July 27, 2015, 08:16:13 AM
This is both the best and worst thing ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTSahJxT0Q

You are correct.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Zook on July 27, 2015, 08:17:33 AM
This is both the best and worst thing ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTSahJxT0Q

Pretty good job recreating that scene, but they could have done a few more takes.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 27, 2015, 08:18:23 AM
Now I wanna see a buddy cop flick with Dean and Arnold.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 27, 2015, 08:20:34 AM
This is both the best and worst thing ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTSahJxT0Q

Pretty good job recreating that scene, but they could have done a few more takes.

Do you really think more takes would have resulted in it being any better? :lol
As a T2 fan, I thought they did a really good job of recreating the scene given it's an ad for a video game, but Terminator in a wrestling game? That's your pre-order incentive?
I thought the new Terminator movie was great, but the crossover with wrestling (including HHH's Wrestlemania entrance this year) is lame. Almost as lame as Robocop saving Sting in WCW.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Zook on July 27, 2015, 01:57:46 PM
This is both the best and worst thing ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZTSahJxT0Q

Pretty good job recreating that scene, but they could have done a few more takes.

Do you really think more takes would have resulted in it being any better? :lol
As a T2 fan, I thought they did a really good job of recreating the scene given it's an ad for a video game, but Terminator in a wrestling game? That's your pre-order incentive?
I thought the new Terminator movie was great, but the crossover with wrestling (including HHH's Wrestlemania entrance this year) is lame. Almost as lame as Robocop saving Sting in WCW.

They obviously put a lot of effort into it, but Paige's reaction wasn't quite as good as the woman from the movie, as if she didn't care. That and Arnold said his line too slow. I'm picky about stupid shit like that.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - RIP Dusty Rhodes
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 27, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Anybody who heard Hogan's comments about his son's friend who was injured badly in that car accident years ago, knows that he is a POS.  Hearing this news today, I wasn't surprised at all. 

Pretty crazy to think that two of the most beloved celebrities in the 80s were Hulk Hogan and Bill Cosby, and now both of their reputations are in the toilet for good.

(http://wrestlinglol.com/images/4a06c35a6eced61bb5f6fde77758d858.jpg)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: jingle.boy on July 27, 2015, 06:01:55 PM
That took longer than I expected actually.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: KevShmev on July 27, 2015, 08:13:54 PM
So, I turn on the beginning of RAW, which I haven't tuned in to for a while, to see if there are any Hogan chants, and what happens?  Rollins, Stephanie and HHH come to the ring...to HHH's music.  Yeah, don't play the music of the world champion; play the music of the mostly-retired son-in-law. :lol :lol 

Oh, and I read that the Undertaker is back, but looks awful.  They must really be desperate if they are bringing him back in the summer time instead of trotting him out like usual during WM season.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Cool Chris on July 27, 2015, 09:52:27 PM
To be fair, it was The Authority coming out to the ring, not HHH, Steph, and Rollins  ;)

I am an avid Undertaker defender, so disclaimer, but I think he looks better than he should, and that brawl with Lesnar was pretty cool. I think they are trying to redeem themselves after the lackluster WM match last year, and Taker doesn't have many good feud potentials. Hopefully they can work a good match at Summerslam. I don't know what Taker has left after this, either physically, or in terms of opponents. The most recent WM match against Wyatt seemed like a huge drop-off after his run of Michaels x2, HHH x2, Punk, and Lesnar.

I thought Sting was going to be in the Summerslam mix somewhere, maybe it is still in the works.

And Hogan, well.... without him, how many of us would even be talking about wrestling in 2015? I know he was the most significant part of my WWF fandom in the 80s. For me, wrestling was him, and Flair in the NWA, and then everyone else.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 27, 2015, 10:50:36 PM
I think Undertaker wanted to come back earlier and get match fit for WM this time to avoid the same fate as the last two disappointing matches. This WM is almost definitely his last.
I think that's a good idea, however putting him against Lesnar is a terrible idea. Lesnar will kill him. Undertaker will look even worse against a current Lesnar than he did a couple of years ago against him, and injure himself for WM. Plus he needs to be against someone who can help carry a match.
For his last match at WM, he needs to be against someone experienced, like Cena.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: masterthes on July 28, 2015, 08:55:23 AM
WWE made a bad move I think. Just terminating Hulk from his contract should have been enough. Hogan slipped up, he's human. If it was something he was known to do more consistently, then okay, but one incident shouldn't tarnish his legacy
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Zook on July 28, 2015, 10:29:12 AM
WWE made a bad move I think. Just terminating Hulk from his contract should have been enough. Hogan slipped up, he's human. If it was something he was known to do more consistently, then okay, but one incident shouldn't tarnish his legacy

They just dug up more crap on him. This time, bigotry.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: ozzy554 on July 28, 2015, 12:03:09 PM
I think he was just blowing off some steam in the privacy of his own home. I know I say things I don't mean when I'm angry.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: jjrock88 on July 28, 2015, 05:53:39 PM
nobody is perfect and everyone says things they don't mean.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Zook on July 28, 2015, 06:15:46 PM
I say things I don't mean as well, but that doesn't include racism and bigotry.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 28, 2015, 08:20:41 PM
I'm with Zook (and Scott Steiner on this one). There's having a bad day, then there's getting exposed for what you truly are.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: KevShmev on July 28, 2015, 09:01:21 PM
Agreed, although given what a nut job Scott Steiner is, he probably shouldn't be the one casting stones. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: kaos2900 on July 29, 2015, 01:30:56 PM
I've thought about this and honestly I don't really give a shit about what he said. Rather than try to erase him from WWE I think the better option would have been to give him a chance to explain himself and apologize if he wanted to and try to turn this into something positive or a learning opportunity for others. People get nothing out him just getting fired. And news flash to the WWE, you will never erase Hulk Hogan. No Hulk Hogan = No WWF. People can learn and grow from negative situations. Look at Riley Cooper and the Eagles. I thought America was the land of second chances not knee jerk reactions.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 29, 2015, 02:05:18 PM
I've thought about this and honestly I don't really give a shit about what he said. Rather than try to erase him from WWE I think the better option would have been to give him a chance to explain himself and apologize if he wanted to and try to turn this into something positive or a learning opportunity for others. People get nothing out him just getting fired. And news flash to the WWE, you will never erase Hulk Hogan. No Hulk Hogan = No WWF. People can learn and grow from negative situations. Look at Riley Cooper and the Eagles. I thought America was the land of second chances not knee jerk reactions.

I'd be all for this if he screwed up or had a bad day. But by all accounts, this is who he was/is, so screw him. He wouldn't be sorry for what he is and what he said/felt, but he'd be sorry that he got caught. This reminds me a lot of Michael Vick, and how sorry he was. Anyone who still follows the product knows that Hogan was only there to plug the network, do some interviews, make some appearances and help try to make Tough Enough something that people care about.   And while it may be silly for WWE to act as if Hogan and Benoit and whomever else didn't exist, it is absolutely their right to as a business.

And I've never bought into that no Hogan - No WWF line of thought. While I cannot deny his impact on the industry, I'm of the opinion that if it weren't him, it would have been someone else.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: KevShmev on July 29, 2015, 05:00:20 PM
You can think that all you want, but it's not true.  Given your age, DoC, you weren't old enough to be around when Hogan was THE man in the 80s.  Heck, go back and look at how awful those cards were for the first Wrestlemanias, but they were something big because of one man: Hulk Hogan.  His influence on the industry is undeniable. 

Also, considering what a racist organization the WWE has always been, it's a bit comical for them to react this way, but it's still understandable.  Hogan deserved to be fired.  But trying to erase him from history is just moronic.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 29, 2015, 05:51:37 PM
That's akin to saying I didn't know that Hitler was a bad dude because I wasn't around to see it first hand. I know that the Golden Age of Pro Wrestling in the States was a combination of Hogan, Vince going national, and the advent and utilization of cable television  and Pay Per View services. And while Hogan's impact on the industry is undeniable, I credit him second only to Vince himself on the list of reasons the WWF blew up in the 80s. To say that it would not or could not happen without Hogan is speculation. No way to know for sure.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: KevShmev on July 29, 2015, 06:37:24 PM
The Hitler comparison is a poor one, because we are talking scripted entertainment vs. real life.

Vince's vision wouldn't have worked without Hogan, and proof is in how poorly the WWF/WWE has done under his tenor when they didn't have a Hogan or Austin or Rock to stand at the top.  Once Hogan went part time in '92 and left in '93, the WWF struggled until Austin blew up four or five years later.  And as massive as the attitude era was, it wouldn't have been nearly what it was without Austin or the Rock. 

Hogan, basically, is to wrestling what the Beatles were to music. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Cool Chris on July 29, 2015, 07:12:33 PM
Kev, you are not wrong, and I don't want to put words on DoC's keyboard, but what I think he is implying is that if there was no Hogan, there is nothing to suggest that Vince would not have found another flagship wrestler for his burgeoning enterprise. There could have been another charismatic individual out there, with the look, the physique, and the ability to rip off a t-shirt that could have served equally well.

Same thing goes with The Beatles. It could have been The Stones, or The Kinks, or a band that never made it out of the British club circuit. It's just speculation.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: jingle.boy on July 29, 2015, 08:07:57 PM
You're all right.  It is just speculation. But to speculate what the past might have been isn't the point. The point is what actually was. And Hogan was the WWF. Back in the 80s and early 90s, the average fan didn't know that lead commentator Vinnie Mac was pulling all the strings, so to the public and WWF fans, Hogan was the WWF.

No sense on speculating what might have been. This is what was.  Without Hogan, who would've filled his place in 1983?  David Sammartino?  Dino Bravo?  Rick Martel?  C'mon. Hogan was lightning in a bottle at the time.

And by that argument, if not for Hitler, then there would have been some other baddie to start WWII?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 29, 2015, 08:23:22 PM
Kev, you are not wrong, and I don't want to put words on DoC's keyboard, but what I think he is implying is that if there was no Hogan, there is nothing to suggest that Vince would not have found another flagship wrestler for his burgeoning enterprise. There could have been another charismatic individual out there, with the look, the physique, and the ability to rip off a t-shirt that could have served equally well.

Same thing goes with The Beatles. It could have been The Stones, or The Kinks, or a band that never made it out of the British club circuit. It's just speculation.

Bingo!


You're all right.  It is just speculation. But to speculate what the past might have been isn't the point. The point is what actually was. And Hogan was the WWF. Back in the 80s and early 90s, the average fan didn't know that lead commentator Vinnie Mac was pulling all the strings, so to the public and WWF fans, Hogan was the WWF.

No sense on speculating what might have been. This is what was.  Without Hogan, who would've filled his place in 1983?  David Sammartino?  Dino Bravo?  Rick Martel?  C'mon. Hogan was lightning in a bottle at the time.

And by that argument, if not for Hitler, then there would have been some other baddie to start WWII?


I brought up Hitler to make the point that you can be knowledgeable about someone or something that took place before your time, since my opinion on Hogan was being discredited by my age. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: jingle.boy on July 29, 2015, 08:35:01 PM
On my Hitler comment, I was being mostly facetious.  Shoulda put an emot after that.

Still... I don't agree with either example that "someone woulda come along an filled the void".  That might fly with something rudimentary, or even above average... but to use that for The Beatles?  Sorry, I can't fathom that.  Just because there was The Beatles, doesn't mean that anyone could've done what they did.  Same goes for Hogan.  If Gretzky didn't come along, would someone else have been the best ever?  If there was no Jordan or Woods (in his prime), does that mean someone would've filled that void?  I don't for a second believe that. 

Look, Vinnie Mac didn't alone create The Rock... it was very much with the help of Dwayne Johnson, and because of who Dwayne was.  I think the same goes for Hogan (and Austin).  Those are three persona's in the WWF/WWE that are unparalleled.  Not all the credit goes to Vince, so it's illogical to assume he could've simply found or plucked some other talent and done the same thing.  If so, why haven't there been any since The Rock?  Cena is close, but not quite.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 29, 2015, 08:41:42 PM
My belief that Vince is the #1 reason for the WWF's golden age extends much father than his ability to develop characters. Again, it was the decision to go national, utilizing cable television and Pay Per View.  We can speculate all we want, but no one's denying Hogan's impact on the industry, and pop culture in general. We're free to believe whatever we want about how it would have played out had Hogan not been there.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Zook on July 29, 2015, 08:45:04 PM
I've thought about this and honestly I don't really give a shit about what he said. Rather than try to erase him from WWE I think the better option would have been to give him a chance to explain himself and apologize if he wanted to and try to turn this into something positive or a learning opportunity for others. People get nothing out him just getting fired. And news flash to the WWE, you will never erase Hulk Hogan. No Hulk Hogan = No WWF. People can learn and grow from negative situations. Look at Riley Cooper and the Eagles. I thought America was the land of second chances not knee jerk reactions.

"Let me tell you something, brother! I'm a racist/bigot/asshole, dude!"

Hulk Hogan is the new Mel Gibson. An apology wouldn't mean anything. He is what he is.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: jingle.boy on July 29, 2015, 08:45:46 PM
Well said DoC.  We shall agree to disagree.

My belief that Vince is the #1 reason for the WWF's golden age extends much father than his ability to develop characters.

Freudian slip?  Was it perhaps his father's ability to develop characters?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: KevShmev on July 29, 2015, 08:51:47 PM
jingle.boy doing some great work here.  That 2nd to last post of his was perfect. :tup :tup

What's really funny is that some of the WWF/WWE's biggest characters were accidents:

-Austin wasn't supposed to get the push he did in 1996/1997, but HHH getting punished for the MSQ curtain call and the fans going nuts for Austin, all but forced Vince to make him the man.

-It took a couple years for Vince to even figure out what he had in the Rock.

-Daniel Bryan got over with the fans, despite Vince never wanting him to be a main event guy.  The fans basically made Vince put Bryan in the main event of WM30 and win, because clueless Vince wanted Batista.  :lol :lol  And then he botched it again this year with Reigns. Vince single-handedly ruined Roman Reigns this year.

-Same with CM Punk, whom I believe never would have gotten that long run with the title in 2011-2013 had he not done what he did in the summer of 2011 (forcing their hand when his contract was running out). 


Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: jingle.boy on July 29, 2015, 09:12:11 PM
Ergo nowadays... it's even more on the talent to create their success, rather than the WWE.  Great examples Kev.  Think about all the people that Vince tried to push in a big way that never made it big - Chris Masters, Vladimir Kozlov, Snitski, Ludvig Borga (man, I forgot about him!), and how many more shots is Matt Bloom going to get?  I'm sure many others.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: jjrock88 on July 30, 2015, 01:22:03 PM
I read somewhere years back that Kerry Von Erich was Vince's first choice in 1983 to play the main babyface in his rock n wrestling expansion. When he wasn't available, Hogan was the next pick.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: jingle.boy on July 30, 2015, 04:49:14 PM
Interesting.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: KevShmev on July 30, 2015, 05:31:22 PM
I remember hearing that.  What a disaster that would have been.  No disrespect intended towards the Von Erich family, who have endured way more self-inflicted tragedies than any family should ever have to, but from a wrestling standpoint, it wouldn't have lasted.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 31, 2015, 07:55:32 AM
I agree.

I understand the history and tradition they built up in Texas, but outside of Texas, their biggest claims to fame are their tragedies and the fact that Ric Flair was willing to put Kerry over and hold his belt for 18 days before taking it back.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: jingle.boy on July 31, 2015, 12:07:45 PM
I bought that was Ronnie Garvins Claim to Fame?  There's probably a good sized list with that claim on their resume.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 31, 2015, 12:40:04 PM
I bought that was Ronnie Garvins Claim to Fame?  There's probably a good sized list with that claim on their resume.
Off the top of my head, I thought Garvin held it longer than Von Erich.  I could be wrong.

That whole deal was stupid.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: mrrct on July 31, 2015, 03:53:27 PM
Kerry held it for 18 days.  Garvin held it for about two months.   Neither was a good idea.  Kerry only got it to pop the crowd at Texas Stadium as a feel good moment, after David von Erich died (he was being looked at as a potential long-term champ, unlike Kerry).  Garvin only got a brief reign after Magnum T.A. (Flair's perceived long-term successor) had a career-ending car accident, and people like Lex Luger and Sting were deemed not yet ready.  Why Jim Crockett or Dusty chose Garvin is a mystery.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 31, 2015, 04:27:32 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/31/roddy-piper-dead-dies-wwe-wrestler-cancer/
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 31, 2015, 04:35:30 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/31/roddy-piper-dead-dies-wwe-wrestler-cancer/

Holy shit. Feels so out of no where. RIP
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: masterthes on July 31, 2015, 04:38:07 PM
And there goes part of my childhood  :'(
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: Anguyen92 on July 31, 2015, 04:40:11 PM
Well, this has not been a pretty period for old-school wrestling guys.  Hulk Hogan is exposed as a racist and Dusty Rhodes and Roddy Piper is gone. Sigh....
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: KevShmev on July 31, 2015, 05:05:20 PM
Kerry held it for 18 days.  Garvin held it for about two months.   Neither was a good idea.  Kerry only got it to pop the crowd at Texas Stadium as a feel good moment, after David von Erich died (he was being looked at as a potential long-term champ, unlike Kerry).  Garvin only got a brief reign after Magnum T.A. (Flair's perceived long-term successor) had a career-ending car accident, and people like Lex Luger and Sting were deemed not yet ready.  Why Jim Crockett or Dusty chose Garvin is a mystery.

What happened was, the NWA wanted Flair to drop the title to someone and then win it back at Starrcade a few months later, but quite a few guys said no, since they don't want to be a token champion for two months merely to job to Flair at Starrcade, which seems like a dumb stance to me. Garvin was more than willing, which is why he got that one single world title reign.

http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/31/roddy-piper-dead-dies-wwe-wrestler-cancer/

Damn.  :(
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 31, 2015, 05:05:44 PM
RIP Piper......
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: El Barto on July 31, 2015, 05:10:57 PM
 That's too bad. He was on my deadpool list last year, and it always makes me happy when decent people work their way off of it; in his case beating cancer. Shame that it didn't work out.
   
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - Hulk Who?
Post by: jingle.boy on July 31, 2015, 05:13:05 PM
And there goes part of my childhood  :'(

Yup.  That's shitty news to start the long weekend.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: TAC on July 31, 2015, 05:55:56 PM
Just saw this. He was awesome in They Live.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 31, 2015, 06:36:08 PM
(https://thesauceofchaos.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/bubblegum.jpg)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: jjrock88 on July 31, 2015, 07:04:41 PM
"They Live" is a fantastic movie!!  The 10 minute back alley fight is one of the most epic fight scenes in movie history.

Sad news.

RIP Roddy
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Cool Chris on July 31, 2015, 08:44:25 PM
My first kiss was during "They Live." True story. Was a good movie up till that point, don't recall much of it after that.

Goodbye Hot Rod, thanks for the memories. Your face off with Mr. T is one of my top WWF/E all time images.

Re-reading this thread... Piper, Magnum TA, Flair, Garvin.... Damn, I'm gonna throw in some Rock N Roll Express to finish off this nostalgia trip.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Anguyen92 on July 31, 2015, 10:38:04 PM
Well, on another subject.  So my household got Dish Network and the package got AXS TV, which is good because I wanted that and Palladia since those are the only channels that I will watch.  Heard from various sources that AXS shows highlights and some full matches of various events of NJPW every Friday. 

Watched them, today, and I find myself liking watching wrestling on TV again after a long hiatus of WWE disappointing me.  It's very refreshing to see programming of a wrestling company actually be a wrestling company that emphasis a lot about competition rather than soap opera drama (nothing wrong with that if done right though).  Although I would have really loved it to hear Japanese commentators, those that did commentate did a good job emphasizing why a win of a certain match means a lot for a certain wrestler in a competitive sense, which is good since I have no idea who these wrestlers are aside from, what I saw, AJ Styles and Davey Boy Smith Jr.  In the episodes I watched, the events took place during the G1 Climax tournament, I think, and the episodes did a good job highlighting why a win means so much in the context of the tournament.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 31, 2015, 11:17:47 PM
RIP Piper. He did great promos, and was one of the all time best heels. A bit unexpected for him to go right now.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: KevShmev on August 01, 2015, 12:14:33 AM
At least he went in his sleep.  We all have to go sometime, and dying in your sleep is the best we can all hope for.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 01, 2015, 05:40:10 AM
Too bad, Rowdy.  Definitely one of the best promos in the business.

My earliest memories of him were from the Mid-Atlantic/NWA days, feuding with Ric Flair and Greg "The Hammer" Valentine (culminating in a bloody dog collar match at the first Starcade).

RIP
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: ZKX-2099 on August 01, 2015, 06:46:01 AM
I guess god changed the questions this time.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: jingle.boy on August 01, 2015, 07:08:20 AM
Ya know... as much as we discussed/debated the Hogan = WWF topic, Rowdy Roddy was just as important.  He was Hogan's first major feud and heel; he was the lightning rod for the Rock 'n' Wrestling era with the whole Cap'n Lou/Lauper thing at MSG; he was the main event along with Hogan (Orndorff and T were just along for the ride) for Westlemania.  If WM tanks, there is no WMII, and perhaps the how the WWE structure's PPVs is different.  He was front and centre every single week on WWF weekend TV with Piper's Pit.

Personally, I think he's #2 in importance to the national launch of the WWF after Hogan.

Gonna miss him, but thankful I grew up watching him in his prime.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: KevShmev on August 01, 2015, 07:17:02 AM
I agree.

Also, it is worth pointing out as well that as much grief as Hogan gets from some people for supposedly never putting people over, Piper was just as bad, if not worse.  The only televised matches Piper was ever pinned in supposedly were the loss to Bret Hart at WM 8 and the legends match where he, Snuka and Steamboat all lost to Jericho at WM25, and even during that big feud with Hogan, he never let Hogan pin him, always losing their many house matches by countout or DQ.  He later said that he felt like had he let Hogan pin him, it would have taken his heel heat away.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on August 01, 2015, 07:50:58 AM
Ya know... as much as we discussed/debated the Hogan = WWF topic, Rowdy Roddy was just as important.  He was Hogan's first major feud and heel; he was the lightning rod for the Rock 'n' Wrestling era with the whole Cap'n Lou/Lauper thing at MSG; he was the main event along with Hogan (Orndorff and T were just along for the ride) for Westlemania.  If WM tanks, there is no WMII, and perhaps the how the WWE structure's PPVs is different.  He was front and centre every single week on WWF weekend TV with Piper's Pit.

Personally, I think he's #2 in importance to the national launch of the WWF after Hogan.

Gonna miss him, but thankful I grew up watching him in his prime.

I agree. Hot Rod is the greatest heel of all time. Nobody was as good at getting under people's skin than him. And since a hero is only as good as the villain they're up against, then the top heel must be as important as the top face. He's also the greatest WWE superstar to never win the WWE title.


RIP Roddy Piper. You will be greatly missed.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Stadler on August 01, 2015, 08:02:50 AM
Too bad, Rowdy.  Definitely one of the best promos in the business.

My earliest memories of him were from the Mid-Atlantic/NWA days, feuding with Ric Flair and Greg "The Hammer" Valentine (culminating in a bloody dog collar match at the first Starcade).

RIP

YES!!!   He was legend.  I remember I was working at the Hartford Civic Center as a security guard (we had to wear blazers, white button down shirts, and clip on ties), and was working the cage match between him and Jake The Snake.   Friggin' best match ever, by the way, but at one point, I was leaning against the rail facing away from the match and a little kid says to me "Mister, why aren't you watching the fight?" and I said "Because I already know who's going to win." And the mom shot me a look of death, like "Don't blow this for my kid, a-hole!"  The kid says something like "You do?" and I said yes, and flipped my tie over, and unbuttoned my shirt like Superman to show the "HOT ROD" t-shirt I was wearing underneath.  For about 12 minutes I was the coolest security guard ever to about 10 pre-teen kids and their parents.  ;)

Ya know... as much as we discussed/debated the Hogan = WWF topic, Rowdy Roddy was just as important.  He was Hogan's first major feud and heel; he was the lightning rod for the Rock 'n' Wrestling era with the whole Cap'n Lou/Lauper thing at MSG; he was the main event along with Hogan (Orndorff and T were just along for the ride) for Westlemania.  If WM tanks, there is no WMII, and perhaps the how the WWE structure's PPVs is different.  He was front and centre every single week on WWF weekend TV with Piper's Pit.

Personally, I think he's #2 in importance to the national launch of the WWF after Hogan.

Gonna miss him, but thankful I grew up watching him in his prime.

Favorite wrestler ever, and it isn't even close.   I've heard the rumblings, but truth be told, he was Derek Jeter.  Or Terry Bradshaw.   Was he the best or most flamboyant guy on the floor?  Nope, but he was money, always, and he made the people he was with better than they would have been without him there.  Even the Hogan rivalry and the "no pin", it made that feud legend, and it let Hogan be that "David Lee Roth" character.   

I generally tend toward the guys like that, so for me, he is my all time favorite. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 01, 2015, 08:12:10 AM
I remember I was working at the Hartford Civic Center as a security guard (we had to wear blazers, white button down shirts, and clip on ties), and was working the cage match between him and Jake The Snake.   Friggin' best match ever, by the way, but at one point, I was leaning against the rail facing away from the match and a little kid says to me "Mister, why aren't you watching the fight?" and I said "Because I already know who's going to win." And the mom shot me a look of death, like "Don't blow this for my kid, a-hole!"  The kid says something like "You do?" and I said yes, and flipped my tie over, and unbuttoned my shirt like Superman to show the "HOT ROD" t-shirt I was wearing underneath.  For about 12 minutes I was the coolest security guard ever to about 10 pre-teen kids and their parents.  ;)
That is fucking badass.  :metal
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 24, 2015, 08:07:28 AM
Boy, that Undertaker / Lesnar finish was a new level of lame even for WWE, but otherwise that was a surprisingly good match, and much better than their Wrestlemania one.

Overall a good PPV though. Cesaro / Owens was good as expected, and Cena / Rollins stole the show (shame that the title match wasn't even the main event). Rollins just keeps getting more and more impressive. The Jon Stewart interference was stupid, but it wasn't too bad considering.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 24, 2015, 09:02:48 AM
How did Stephen Amell do in his tag match against Stardust?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 24, 2015, 09:05:47 AM
We skipped over it for time, but it appeared as if he took quite a bit of offense and gave a few moves, and did a splash from the top rope to the outside while Neville got the win. I'll have to watch it properly, but it seemed as though he put in a strong effort for an actor coming in for a one-off match.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 24, 2015, 09:53:22 AM
Cool.  I am a fan of his work on Arrow, so I was interested in this.  He has apparently been a wrestling fan forever, and was extremely excited to do this.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 24, 2015, 10:19:04 AM
I didn't know that, but it does appear he put in a lot more work than the usual celebrity wrestling performance, which generally I think is a terrible idea to begin with.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: ZKX-2099 on August 24, 2015, 10:57:05 AM
TAKER TAPPED!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Zook on August 24, 2015, 03:25:26 PM
You'd think Seth Rollins was the good guy based on the crowd last night.

But I think they were cheering for the wrestler, not the character.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Jaffa on August 24, 2015, 03:45:54 PM
Well, his opponent was John Cena.  There are fans out there who would cheer for a rotten potato if it was billed against John Cena. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Zook on August 24, 2015, 03:49:35 PM
Yeah, but normally he gets some cheers for good spots. He got zilch last night. Was it Rollins' home town or something?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Dimitrius on August 24, 2015, 06:17:11 PM
It was New York. THE smarkiest crowd in the world.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 25, 2015, 02:10:36 AM
I thought Chicago was the most smarkiest crowd in the world?  Or the most ahole-ish?  No wait, that's probably Philly.  Chicago can be a lot of things, nvm.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 25, 2015, 02:37:16 AM
I'd say a combo of a smart crowd cheering for a good wrestler, and hating Cena.

Aside from Sting being alive, it was a really good Raw this week, with some nice surprises. The great crowd also helped.

I just watched the Summerslam tag match with Stephen Amell properly, and thought he did a good job. The match was short and sweet, and Amell took a decent beating without doing anything unbelievable for a non-wrestler, and got a nice high spot to set up the finish.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: mrrct on August 25, 2015, 07:34:18 AM
A three-hour wrestling show with four whole matches.  Granted, they gave each match time, but still.  Did they rehire Vince Russo or something?

That Miz TV segment was a total train wreck.  Team PCB should never be allowed to speak, especially Becky Lynch.  When someone comes across as more annoying than the Bellas, that is quite an accomplishment.  Then the crowd totally dumped on their match, chanting "We want Sasha!" among other things.  They couldn't find time for Team BAD on the card, but we got three or four segments of Triple H and Steph.

It was cool to see Sting under the curtain, if a little predictable.  It would have been a better visual to have him destroy Rollins' statue with his baseball bat, though.  I'm sure the thing was only plastic, since they wouldn't immortalize in bronze a guy who's only been in the company a few years.  It still could happen, since they never showed it again after the backstage segment. 

It still seems stupid to bring Sting in just to job two matches, since they're not going to take it off Rollins.  They should make Sting look strong, just for merchandise and t-shirt sales if nothing else, and they should show highlights of his WCW and Mid-South career since they own the tape libraries to build him up as a credible challenger.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 25, 2015, 07:40:40 AM
It still seems stupid to bring Sting in just to job two matches, since they're not going to take it off Rollins.  They should make Sting look strong, just for merchandise and t-shirt sales if nothing else, and they should show highlights of his WCW and Mid-South career since they own the tape libraries to build him up as a credible challenger.

Keep in mind that Sheamus will likely cash in very soon, so I wouldn't put it past them to have Sting get a victory.


Every single part of that scenario makes me vomit a little in my mouth.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: ZKX-2099 on August 25, 2015, 10:36:17 AM
God damn Sheamus is so boring. I really hope he gets a botched cash in.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: mrrct on August 25, 2015, 10:47:45 AM
Sheamus won't cash in on Rollins, not unless Rollins turns face, and that isn't happening anytime soon.  Most briefcase holders job for about six months until they are no longer considered a legitimate threat (Bryan, Ziggler), then cash in out of nowhere.  Sheamus has been booked unusually strong for a Mr. Money In the Bank, although he has been booked strong for just about his entire career.  He'll probably cash in once a face beats Rollins, and that probably won't be Sting.  And he'll be successful, because he's Trip's spotter in the weight room.  Then he'll lose it before WrestleMania so they can put him in with Bryan (if healthy) for the umpteenth time, since that match is seemingly penciled in every year.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: jjrock88 on August 25, 2015, 01:36:51 PM
I'm a huge fan of the Stinger.

Nice to see him getting some recognition in WWE.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: dparrott on August 27, 2015, 07:23:27 PM
I watched some old interviews recently on youtube that Mean Gene did, when I was young I never realized what a pro he was.  He usually kept his cool even with big muscle men towering over him.   And his delivery was so smooth.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: KevShmev on August 27, 2015, 07:32:50 PM
Yep, Mean Gene was awesome.  His facial expressions were priceless, too. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: mrrct on August 27, 2015, 09:12:24 PM
Two of his interviews stand out for me.  The first was at the Royal Rumble where Flair won the title and Naitch, Perfect, and Heenan were gloating.  Somebody off camera was smoking and Gene angrily told him to "Put that cigarette out!"  The second was when he was interviewing Ted DiBiase and the background of the set fell down behind him and Gene started shouting profanities.  They cut away from him, then cut back, and DiBiase had broken character and was smirking.
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Post by: KevShmev on August 27, 2015, 09:18:59 PM
That was Rick Rude, during SummerSlam '89.  Mean Gene yelled, "Fuck it!" when the part of the set fell, and it immediately cut back to a crowd shot.

Or did it happen with DiBiase, too??
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 27, 2015, 10:57:45 PM
I watched some old interviews recently on youtube that Mean Gene did, when I was young I never realized what a pro he was.  He usually kept his cool even with big muscle men towering over him.   And his delivery was so smooth.

Mean Gene is a legend. The way he was always able to play it cool and straight was the perfect foil dynamic for the roided up coked up wrestlers. They'll never match it again, especially now that they keep their wrestlers on a scripted leash, and give the interview job to any random person they happen to have employed at the time.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Cool Chris on August 27, 2015, 11:16:59 PM
Not to mention, this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fgfXGPeX24

Found this with Lord Alfred too. Glorious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7lHGyV7jTg
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: mrrct on August 28, 2015, 06:11:22 AM
KevShmev, you might be right.  I just saw it on YouTube, but if it was the same interview that I'm thinking of, the downloader cut off the end, because a few moments later they went back to Gene and whoever he was supposed to be interviewing (I thought it was DiBiase but it could have been Rude) had a shit eating grin on his face.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Marion Crane on August 29, 2015, 09:50:03 PM
New wresting podcast I started with some friends. I think you'll all dig it.

http://degenjax.landofbunnies.com

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Phoenix87x on September 01, 2015, 04:46:23 PM
Snuka busted

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-jimmy-snuka-grand-jury-announcement-20150901-story.html
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: KevShmev on September 01, 2015, 05:03:40 PM
Not surprised.  The popular theory has always been that Vince paid some lawyers big time to get him off the hook back then, since Snuka was one of the WWF's main attractions at the time. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2015, 06:43:11 AM
Quite a good card for Night of Champions, and good results overall. I was really expecting Sting to win, especially given the way they booked both Rollins matches back to back and had him AA'd onto the floor. It looks like Sting might have a legit injury, so it's possible they had to change their plans on the fly for that ending though. And we dodged Sheamus cashing in for now. I've been dreading that inevitable moment all year.

Owens proved he's a true talent by putting on a watchable match with Ryback. :lol The New Day get more entertaining by the week, and I'm glad they retain for now. As usual they'll milk the feud out for probably 3 PPVs, so it's only a matter of time before the Dudleys win the belts, which I'm not against, but it was too soon for them to just walk in and win them.
Rollins and Cena stole the show as expected.

I'm also relieved that they're not saving the final Undertaker/Lesnar match for Wrestlemania. I'd rather they not have another match at all given Undertaker's condition after the first two, but better to have a fresh match of Wrestlemania for both of those guys.
Oh shit, they might do Undertaker vs Sting now. Can you imagine the levels of suck? :|
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Dimitrius on September 21, 2015, 09:22:09 AM
New Day is the best thing in the WWE.

Xavier Woods with the Rufio hair was the best thing to happened last night!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2015, 09:25:33 AM
I didn't even notice that's what the hair was. :lol Even better.
When New Day first formed, I just thought it was a terrible way of lumping together a few black guys they had no story for (and it probably was), but since turning heel they've worked amazingly together as a team. If that trombone doesn't get inducted into the hall of fame, there is no justice.
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Post by: Dimitrius on September 21, 2015, 09:30:42 AM
Yeah! I love that they have had the freedom to just do whatever! I've laughed so much in their interviews/promos (like E telling Bubba "you ain't got bars!" or the first time Kofi went "the Dudleys don't respect furniture!") and just been thoroughly entertained any time they're on. A 3-hour Raw of just New Day would be the best Raw in the history of 3-hour Raws!
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Post by: BlobVanDam on September 21, 2015, 09:42:02 AM
I want to see a compilation just of Xavier Woods' comments during matches. The term "tricep meat" would have a recurring role, and during the PPV match I heard him yell out that the Dudley's camouflage didn't match, and that they weren't even brothers. :lol
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Post by: ich bin besser on September 21, 2015, 11:16:54 AM
Nobody read that Sting obviously got hurt pretty badly fighting Seth Rollins??
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Post by: Dimitrius on September 21, 2015, 11:58:27 AM
Yeah, WWE.com finally acknowledge it. I hope it isn't as serious as some dirtsheets are making it up to be, he was definitely having a good match and taking some big bumps for a 56 year old until that turnbuckle power bomb.
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Post by: jjrock88 on September 21, 2015, 03:30:56 PM
I hope the Stinger is going to be ok.

I was hoping for him to win the title, but I wasn't holding my breath on the change.
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Post by: Marion Crane on September 24, 2015, 05:26:02 PM
Newest episode of the podcast is up. We discuss pretty much everything you guys have talked about in the last few days. Check it out.

http://degenerationjax.com/podcast/episode-5
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Post by: mrrct on October 18, 2015, 03:21:52 PM
Marion Crane, I've listened to all eight of your episodes over the last couple of weeks, and I must say that I like your podcast more than most of the others.  It's good to hear fans give their opinions instead of "insiders."  Too many of them feature drunk old wrestlers slurring their words for two hours (ahem, Ric Flair), or hip hop dj's hijacking the show to talk about hip hop feuds (Cheap Heat).  Jericho's is decent, although he is just as likely to have a musical guest as he would a wrestler.  Austin's is okay, as is Sam Roberts', although I can only take so much of his voice.
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Post by: ZKX-2099 on November 06, 2015, 03:19:27 PM
Seth Rollins injured his ACL Triple H style. He's out for months. Looks like they are doing Deadly Game 2 at Survior Series.
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Post by: BlobVanDam on November 06, 2015, 04:46:12 PM
WWE is so hurting right now. No Cena, no Orton, no Rollins, no Bryan (although I don't know what the reason for that is since he's been cleared). We're gonna get Reigns as champion, maybe a cash-in soon, it's going to be awful.
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Post by: Anguyen92 on November 06, 2015, 11:11:39 PM
^^ All of that means nothing to me, atm, as in about less than two hours, I'm going to go and watch NJPW's Power Struggle event.

I'm not expecting any big mind-blowing matches (though they are always welcomed, of course) like the big matches of this year's Wrestle Kingdom, Dominion, G1 Climax, etc.  However, it should be a good watch, anyway, and going to be worth staying up late.
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Post by: Zook on November 07, 2015, 08:40:41 AM
I miss CM Punk.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: mrrct on November 07, 2015, 09:00:24 AM
Anguyen, right now New Japan is by far the best promotion in wrestling.  Their match quality (at least the year-old matches that AXS TV have been showing) is far above anything WWE lets their performers do or are capable of (I lean toward the former). The Nakamura-Ibushi and the Tanahashi-Okada matches from WrestleKingdom were the best matches I've seen all year.  The only WWE matches in their ballpark are the Royal Rumble triple threat and Bayley-Sasha from Takeover: Brooklyn.

It can be argued that WWE is actually the fourth best promotion right now, behind New Japan, Ring of Honor, and WWE's own developmental league, NXT.  I don't get Lucha Underground on my cable, so I can't comment on it.  Production values don't matter if it's just two ancient guys or two immobile, muscle-bound guys clotheslining each other.  The NXT wrestlers get neutered once they get called up or get stuck with terrible gimmicks, while you listen to three announcers bicker and try to get themselves over instead of calling the match. 

I'm not crazy about Mauro Ranallo as a boxing blow-by-blow guy, but he's great for wrestling.  And his colorman, Josh Barnett, actually gives insight as to what the various holds and moves are supposed to accomplish, unlike JBL or Booker T.

It sucks about Rollins getting hurt and being out until after WrestleMania, because it means they'll either usher in the Reigns Era or panic and go back to Cena once he comes back from taping his fitness show.  Or worse, give it to Del Rio.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Dimitrius on November 07, 2015, 09:26:18 AM
You should find a way to watch Lucha Underground, it's the second best wrestling show in the USA behind NXT.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 07, 2015, 09:32:25 AM
Lucha Underground is much better than NXT. NXT is much better than WWE, but they're still stuck under a lot of the restrictions that WWE place on themselves that holds them back.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 07, 2015, 12:13:27 PM
Lucha Underground is much better than NXT. NXT is much better than WWE, but they're still stuck under a lot of the restrictions that WWE place on themselves that holds them back.

Part of that is probably why I cannot get into NXT even though it has been highly acclaimed because we know the moment these young great wrestlers get into the main roster, they are going to get neutered hard and it's hard to get into it knowing that.

It just sucks that they are not getting paid as much (even if anything at all) as the main roster, but I guess that's developmental for you.  At least, for hockey players and the likes, that are in development farm systems, those guys don't get neutered when getting called to the main roster, sometimes.

As for Power Struggle, it was a fine event.  All I asked was that the top 3 matches was good/great and that's what I got.  Most importantly, the post-match in the last two match sets up the two big matches of Wrestle Kingdom.  Okada/Tanahashi, which has been established already, but the disdain from Tanahashi on Okada has elevated to another level, he just coming after Okada very aggressively in the post-match.  I was hoping Okada tombstoned Tanahashi on the floor, but the refs and the Young Lions didn't want that. 

Most importantly, we got AJ Styles vs Shinsuke Nakamura at the Tokyo Dome, baby.  That's one of the few matches NJPW has yet to do since AJ went to NJPW in 2014.  Should a great one.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Dimitrius on November 07, 2015, 01:59:15 PM
Well you can think about what may happen down the line and not get into NXT or just say fuck it and enjoy the great matches the NXT roster routinely put on, especially the women.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: mrrct on November 07, 2015, 02:22:57 PM
I have only been watching the year-old matches of NJPW on AXS for a couple of months now.  I was under the impression that Tanahashi was supposed to be a face and Okada, Nakamura, and all the members of Chaos were supposed to be heels.  I know that the Japanese fans always cheer for their own (even Chaos) against Americans, who are cast as de facto heels.  In the events since WrestleKingdom 9, have Tanahashi and Okada done a double turn?  Or are the fans just sick of Tanahashi like the American fans are of Cena, even if he doesn't do anything heelish?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 07, 2015, 03:46:48 PM
The Chaos face/heel dynamics are weird, at times.  You got Nakamura whose actually an uber-face in most peoples' (foreign or Japanese) eyes.  Guys like Yano and the other guys of Chaos could be heel, but are indeed very face against guys from Bullet Club.

Okada, with his arrogant Rainmaker persona, screams heel, but he's the main guy that can take down the face of the Bullet Club in the form of AJ Styles, and the crowd was with him loudly in Dominion back in July.  Also, people can acknowledge how talented he is and probably thinks he is the right guy to lead NJPW's future when Nakamura and Tanahashi may scale things down.  People would want to root for that.  Though he can act very heelish, even against his own stable members (Check out Okada/Nakamura in G1 25 of this year, not the one in AXS TV, the one that took place a year later).

Tanahashi is the uber-face, the John Cena of NJPW, atm, though he works like Eddie Guerrero or Shawn Michaels, whose capable of working heel well even as a babyface, during the proper matches.  I don't want to say the fans are tired of Tanahashi, though I do not blame them since he's going to headline Wrestle Kingdom for the sixth year in a row.  I feel like Tanahashi's ongoing huge "disdain" over Okada is going to push him to be the de-facto heel going into January 4th.  He just kept coming after Okada very heelishly after their Power Struggle tag match, yesterday, though he may still be a huge face against guys like Naito.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - R.I.P. Piper
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 22, 2015, 08:33:30 AM
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Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: jjrock88 on November 22, 2015, 08:59:15 AM
Should be interesting tonight.

I think a Roman win along with a heel turn will happen
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: ZKX-2099 on November 22, 2015, 09:22:42 AM
I would love a Reigns heel turn just to watch the net smarks do a 180 on him overnight.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: jjrock88 on November 22, 2015, 09:35:58 AM
After a Roman win/heel turn, then maybe a surprise return at the Rumble for Daniel Bryan and a win. Then Bryan-Roman at WM
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: ZKX-2099 on November 22, 2015, 09:53:15 AM
No. Roman goes heel over Ambrose. Ambrose wins Rumble. Seth screws Reigns at WM.

HIRE ME VINCE
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: Marion Crane on November 22, 2015, 11:15:18 AM
http://degenerationjax.com/podcast/episode-11

Our final SS preview for tonight's show. Plus we discuss the Paige/Charlotte controversial promo, the terrorist threat rumors, the Rousey loss and finish it up with some SS trivia. Check it out guys.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: mrrct on November 22, 2015, 12:37:52 PM
I'm thinking that it's going to be Reigns over Ambrose, and joining the Authority in the process.  My preferred choice would be to just give it to Owens, because the WWE badly needs a heel that can talk, and Del Rio certainly isn't it.  Ambrose looks like he would be fun for a month or two, but fans would get sick of his act after a couple of months.  Reigns will eventually be the face of the company, because Vince is dead set on it, but he still needs to be rehabilitated and now isn't the time to give him the belt.

No sooner than I espouse New Japan's virtues, I see a Junior Heavyweight Title match where Kenny Omega and Ryusuke Taguchi sodomize each other with the Bullet Club's flag pole and make me look like a total idiot in front of my friends.  Then, the rematch between Tanahashi and Styles was very lackluster compared to their previous match and the Tanahashi-Okada Wrestle Kingdom match.  I'm hoping that AXS TV leapfrogs a few months and shows the G1 Climax matches soon, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: ozzy554 on November 22, 2015, 12:37:56 PM
I would have Ambrose win over Reigns clean. Reigns instead of being happy for his friend proceeds to beat the shit out of him.




Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: Cool Chris on November 22, 2015, 09:34:44 PM
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Wait... did this actually happen?!?!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: jjrock88 on November 22, 2015, 09:48:12 PM
Overall, the event was solid.  I knew a swerve of some kind was going to happen with the main event only lasting 9 minutes.  Interested to see where this will lead.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: mrrct on November 22, 2015, 09:58:19 PM
Sheamus is the WWE Champion.

"That ought to put butts in seats!" -Tony Schiavone

Nice to know that they think our attention span is so short that they can recycle finishes from only two years ago.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: jjrock88 on November 22, 2015, 10:01:28 PM
They will need to completely revamp Sheamus' character IMO.  As is, nobody really has much interest in him and the character has been stale for quite some time.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: Zook on November 23, 2015, 12:57:33 AM
They will need to completely revamp Sheamus' character IMO.  As is, nobody really has much interest in him and the character has been stale for quite some time.

They'll give him a suit and some shades.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 23, 2015, 05:52:17 AM
Ugh, same tired old shit ending. Without Rollins and Cena and now with Sheamus as champ, I'm struggling to find any reason to want to watch Raw. Maybe the whole point of this is to make the prospect of Reigns being champ not look so bad by comparison. :lol

That crowd started off great, but by the end of the night they were asleep. That women's match deserved a much better response than it got. That was good stuff.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: ZKX-2099 on November 23, 2015, 07:29:18 AM
I miss Seth.

(http://i.imgur.com/XyhF7CN.gif)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 23, 2015, 07:49:15 AM
I miss Seth too. :( So many great matches in a short time.

And I could rewatch that WM ending all day.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: ozzy554 on November 23, 2015, 08:04:44 AM
I should have known. Rollins getting injured was a perfect opportunity to hit the reset switch and try something different. So of course Vince just went with the safest option possible instead of turning somebody heel.


I DO like sheamus. When they give him something to do he can be entertaining, but the problem is most of the time they dont and he's just kinda there.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 23, 2015, 08:07:59 AM
I've never liked Sheamus, but they haven't done anything with him since winning the briefcase. I thought that tonight maybe they'd make him single handedly win the rest of the Survivor Series match to look stronger when he cashed in, but nope not even that.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: KevShmev on November 23, 2015, 06:11:18 PM
I'm so glad I don't watch this crap anymore.  Even my dad, who has watched wrestling regularly since I was born, barely watches anymore, because of how bad it is.  Sheamus is a mid-carder, yet now he's the champion?  Oh my. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin For those old enough to remember, that would be like if The Warlord was the champion in 1991.

Let me know when Bryan or Punk are back, and then maybe I'll watch again. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 23, 2015, 07:01:11 PM
It's hard for me to convince myself to watch WWE again, with the exception of NXT, after sitting back and enjoying watching NJPW in real time during the very late nights.  I mean over the past weekend, I watched two shows from NJPW in real time and it was nothing but tag matches and one of those shows had no commentary and only a single camera angle. Basically a house show, but I had a good time watching it and it was well worth it to me in the end.  I wouldn't do the same thing for WWE nowadays, in a scenario like that, and I don't know what would convince me to watch them again.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: jingle.boy on November 23, 2015, 09:05:59 PM
I'm so glad I don't watch this crap anymore.  Even my dad, who has watched wrestling regularly since I was born, barely watches anymore, because of how bad it is.  Sheamus is a mid-carder, yet now he's the champion?  Oh my. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin For those old enough to remember, that would be like if The Warlord was the champion in 1991.

Let me know when Bryan or Punk are back, and then maybe I'll watch again.

I'll always remember The Warlord for his 2 second Royal Rumble appearance.  From what I've seen of Seamus, he's barely even worthy of the IC title.

I stopped watching the WWE shortly after the Attitude era ended - I'm trying to remember the last PPV I watched live... it was probably with Lesnar's first go-around.  Lesnar/Angle was a great WM match.  Nowaday's, there's just no depth in the roster.  I never ever 'got' Punk, and there is no "star" power anywhere after Cena.  I've watched (YT'd) a few matches that you guys go gaga over, but Raw is about 15 minutes of action, and 2 hours of filler ... oh wait, they upped it to a 3 hour show a while back, didn't they?  I remember someone (Kev?) saying it was like making a double cheeseburger a 'triple', but still using the same amount of meat.   :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: KevShmev on November 23, 2015, 09:14:45 PM
I didn't say that, but it sounds about right. :lol :lol

From the way it sounds, this corporate angle is probably never-ending, which is a way for the attention whore that is HHH to keep himself involved in the top program without actually having to wrestle.  What a shock.

That is a big reason why I stopped watching.  He and Stephanie are both brutal to listen to on the mic, and not in a "they are heels so we are supposed to hate them" way, but more in a "they make me turn if off" way.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: jingle.boy on November 23, 2015, 09:19:17 PM
I didn't say that, but it sounds about right. :lol :lol

From the way it sounds, this corporate angle is probably never-ending, which is a way for the attention whore that is HHH to keep himself involved in the top program without actually having to wrestle.  What a shock.

That is a big reason why I stopped watching.  He and Stephanie are both brutal to listen to on the mic, and not in a "they are heels so we are supposed to hate them" way, but more in a "they make me turn if off" way.

I'd still hit her.  Just press mute.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: KevShmev on November 23, 2015, 09:51:21 PM
I've never found her that attractive, but then again, balloon-looking fake boobs and overly muscular, manly shoulders don't really do it for me. :P :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: mrrct on November 24, 2015, 08:17:52 AM
I'm so glad I don't watch this crap anymore.  Even my dad, who has watched wrestling regularly since I was born, barely watches anymore, because of how bad it is.  Sheamus is a mid-carder, yet now he's the champion?  Oh my. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin For those old enough to remember, that would be like if The Warlord was the champion in 1991.

Let me know when Bryan or Punk are back, and then maybe I'll watch again. 

Sheamus keeps getting pushed because he is or used to be Triple H's spotter.  That, and the fact that Vince likes big men.

The MITB briefcase holder does nothing but job after he wins the briefcase, so that it's a surprise when he actually cashes in and succeeds.  Ziggler and Bryan never won a match in the interim.  Rollins and Sheamus were protected a little better, but even Sheamus was jobbing left and right lately, including earlier in the PPV.

I wouldn't consider Sheamus a midcarder, per se.  He was pushed to the moon immediately.  He beat Cena twice for the WWE title, albeit in table matches and that sort of thing, and then he singlehandedly started the Yes Movement when he was booked to beat Bryan for the World Title in record time and the fans revolted.  He was also one of the stars who crossed the picket line and was given mic time with Cena and Punk during that stupid "strike" by the rest of the roster when Mark Henry among others made the WWE an unsafe work environment, essentially positioning him as a top guy who "cared more about the fans" than the rest of the roster.  He also got to pass out to Rusev's accolade instead of tap, which Vince doesn't allow his top faces to do, so he's been positioned as a big deal for years now.  It's just that his reaction, face or heel, doesn't justify his placement.

I've never found her that attractive, but then again, balloon-looking fake boobs and overly muscular, manly shoulders don't really do it for me. :P :lol

It works for Nikki Bella.

My opinion on Stephanie changes, depending on how her weight fluctuates.  I thought she looked good in her dominatrix ring gear when she "wrestled" Brie at SummerSlam in '14, but she goes through periods where she's as big as a horse.  That said, she and Triple H are the reason the show gets 2's in the Nielsens instead of 3.5s-4s, because we're accustomed to having a 20 minute Authority promo every week shoved down our throats, then 3 or 4 backstage segments with them, and half the time they go back and forth as crooked or benevolent authority figures (the Divas Revolution, i.e.) that there's no continuity.  Maybe they're just supposed to be incompetent like Roger Goodell?

Either way, the WWE is the fourth or fifth best promotion on TV right now, behind New Japan and their own developmental league (albeit online, prescription channel), Ring of Honor, and in some people's eyes, Lucha Underground.  At least while they're still on the air, TNA is far worse, but even their product was better than current WWE in the late 2000s, before Hogan and Bischoff strip mined the company.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2015, 08:29:15 AM
I cannot wait for Lucha Underground to come back. That show is a clinic in good booking and utilizing all of your talent effectively, not to mention the wrestling being consistently top notch.

Someone needs to tell them that using the term Divas Revolution as a storyline defeats the entire purpose of the Divas Revolution. :facepalm: Kind of like how at Wrestlemania they kept telling us something was a Wrestlemania moment.

I skimmed through Raw quicker than ever this week. I just can't sit through the same old tired Authority bullshit week after week. It's not because they're good at being heels, it's because it's tedious as hell and redundant to watch and makes me hate WWE. Even in fast forward, I can tell exactly what they're saying, because it's the same generic crap they said last week and the week before. Just because you did it well once in the attitude era, doesn't mean it will work with every single top face of the week. It's obviously not getting Reigns over. Time to just nuke it all and start fresh.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 24, 2015, 08:31:45 AM
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TNA is far worse, but even their product was better than current WWE in the late 2000s, before Hogan and Bischoff strip mined the company.

It was so depressing to see that TNA delivered in 2009 back-to-back quality main-event matches, two PPVs in a Row, regarding guys like Styles, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, Kurt Angle, and Desmond Wolfe (Nigel Mcguinness) and then it all just went to crap a few years later (maybe even sooner).
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: jjrock88 on November 24, 2015, 09:07:25 AM
Between Raw, Smackdown, NXT, the Network, and the half dozen other weekly shows, WWE has just oversaturated their product. I'm as big of a wrestling fan as you'll get, and I'm tired of the current product. That should tell you something.

The first thing they need to do is go back to a two hour Raw, but that likely won't happen due to the lost revenue. But their current ratings are getting scary low. It's going to get worse if they continue as is
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: ZKX-2099 on November 24, 2015, 12:55:37 PM
Just wanted to add one thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci1wkgqt6g8
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: mrrct on November 24, 2015, 01:11:45 PM
Between Raw, Smackdown, NXT, the Network, and the half dozen other weekly shows, WWE has just oversaturated their product. I'm as big of a wrestling fan as you'll get, and I'm tired of the current product. That should tell you something.

The first thing they need to do is go back to a two hour Raw, but that likely won't happen due to the lost revenue. But their current ratings are getting scary low. It's going to get worse if they continue as is

NXT is almost an alternate universe of WWE, where feuds are well thought out and matches are well-choreographed and given enough time.  Sasha Banks was awesome in NXT and she's nothing on the main roster right now, although the fans are definitely making it known that she should be the star of the division.

Smackdown is essentially just a Raw recap show with a few throw-away matches added in that don't seem to count as much as Raw matches.  Superstars and Main Event are C level shows the way that Metal, Jakked, et al used to be, although when Main Event started it had only 1 or 2 long matches and appealed to work rate fans like myself.  They probably felt that it was too redundant with the NXT weekly show, so they changed it.  So Raw is really the only show to watch if you want to be caught up in the storylines (or read 411mania).
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: mrrct on November 24, 2015, 01:20:30 PM
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TNA is far worse, but even their product was better than current WWE in the late 2000s, before Hogan and Bischoff strip mined the company.

It was so depressing to see that TNA delivered in 2009 back-to-back quality main-event matches, two PPVs in a Row, regarding guys like Styles, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, Kurt Angle, and Desmond Wolfe (Nigel Mcguinness) and then it all just went to crap a few years later (maybe even sooner).

The Joe/Kurt feud was good until they brought in Karen Angle.  She may be the only person in the world more annoying than Stephanie McMahon. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 26, 2015, 07:13:44 PM
Ahhh, sweet promotion video for NJPW's Wrestle Kingdom 10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOZ2pE0WRaU&user=NJPW

Looks good.  Highlights how big this is, how it's probably the largest wrestling event in the world outside of Wrestlemania, and highlights how popular NJPW is nowadays (far from their prime in the 90s, but I think they are on an uptick atm).  Shows a good wide range of demographics from the adult men, to the women, to the kids on how they can enjoy this wrestling promotion without feeling out of place.

Entrances from past events look good.  They had Marty Friedman, formerly from Megadeth, play out to Hiroshi Tanahashi while Shinsuke Nakamura came out with strippers during the 2014 version.  Such swag.  I didn't see too much high production values in the entrances in WK 9 outside of the last two matches and I hope the production values get a little better for the next one. 

As for the rest of the video, it mainly highlights the past Wrestle Kingdom main events, mainly seeing Hiroshi Tanahashi winning the majority of the main events with two high fly flows (frog splashes), and shows the card thus far.  It's a good watch.  I'll be sure to stay up late to watch this event live.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: mrrct on November 26, 2015, 07:57:03 PM
Wrestle Kingdom will have a really hard time matching last year's.  The Ibushi-Nakamura match for the IC Title was the best match I've seen all year, with only the Royal Rumble three-way and Sasha-Bayley from Brooklyn coming close to it.  The rematch between Okada and Tanahashi might not be as good as previous ones because I think it is going to be the eighth match between the two of them, and it will just be more of the same, except that I expect Tanahashi will put him over and there might be a changing of the guard moment.

It sucks that Ibushi is off the card due to his neck injury.  He absolutely stole the show last year and was probably destined to replace Tanahashi as the #1 face, although if Tenryu and Mutoh still wrestle at their ages and physical conditions, who knows how much longer Tanahashi will wrestle full time and still be the ace.

I haven't seen the NEVER or IWGP Heavyweight Tag Title matches announced.  The Makabe-Ishii match was great in a train wreck sort of way, so they could go that way again.  Shibata and Goto could face Guns and Gallows again, based on the World Tag League results, but I think I would rather see Shibata face Makabe or Ishii in a battle of forearms and stiff kicks.  The Junior Title Match will be better with Kushida facing Omega instead of Taguchi (the worst native wrestler on the roster IMHO), and the Jr. Tag four-way will be another car crash.  They'll probably bring in guys from NOAH or All Japan to fill out a few matches as well.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: mrrct on November 26, 2015, 08:34:48 PM
I forgot to mention this year's IC Title Match between Styles and Nakamura.  I've always found Styles to be overrated, other than for a couple of his moves, and his character always bored the shit out of me, whether he was a face or a heel.  Nakamura is the best in the world, so I'm sure the match will be good, but not as good as last year's, because Ibushi was fantastic.

That video hyping Wrestle Kingdom was awesome, showing the closing sequences of all the main events.  I would have liked to see the Mutoh-Tanahashi match in its entirety, even though Mutoh was probably about as mobile as Khali even five years ago.  Also, it was cool to see Marty Friedman play Tanahashi out, like Living Color did with Punk and (ugh) Limp Bizkit did with 'Taker.

I'm sure the two Tanahashi-Nakamura matches were probably mind-blowing.  I didn't discover the show on AXS until this past August, so I think they played the WK8 match last winter or spring, with the G1 over the summer, since they're almost a year behind.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: mrrct on December 05, 2015, 08:29:56 AM
The New Japan show on AXS was good again last night.  The NEVER Openweight Title match was extremely good with Honma and Ishii, with one unbelievably crazy spot by Honma.  There was a good comedy tag team match with Ibushi and Naito against Sakuraba and Yano.  New Japan even does comedy better than WWE, with Yano's exploits (hairpulling, nutshots) at least being funny.  The only mediocre match was the six-man with Meiyu Tag and Tanahashi against Guns and Gallows and Tama Tonga.  Guns and Gallows are very mediocre compared to even WWE teams like the Usos.  There is nothing that stands out about them other than their size.  Goto and Shibata did everything they could to make the match watchable, and when Tanahashi came in for his cameo there was little doubt what was going to happen (new boy Tama eats the pin).  The best thing about the show every week is that there is no 20 minute long opening promo, and that the only interview segments are taped away from the ring and shown in a retrospective manner months after the matches, at the very end of the show.  If WWE copied this, they might regain a few tenths of a ratings point.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 09, 2015, 10:20:24 PM
The card for Wrestle Kingdom 10 is set.

Pre-Show New Japan Rumble - Over-the-top rope battle royal with two participants starting and one minute between entrances. Number and identity of participants TBD.

IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship 4-Way - reDRagon (Kyle O'Reilly & Bobby Fish) (c) vs. The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson) vs. Roppongi Vice (Rocky Romero & Beretta) vs. Ricochet & Matt Sydal

Special Six Man Tag Team Match - Toru Yano & Two Mystery Wrestlers vs. Bullet Club (Bad Luck Fale, Yujiro Takahashi & Tama Tonga)

Special Singles Match (Note: If Lethal holds the belt at this point, it is performed for the ROH World Championship.)

Jay Lethal vs. Michael Elgin

IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship - Kenny Omega (c) vs. KUSHIDA

IWGP Tag Team Championship - Bullet Club (Karl Anderson & Doc Gallows) (c) vs. Great Bash Heel (Togi Makabe & Tomoaki Honma)

Special Singles Match - Hirooki Goto vs. Tetsuya Naito

NEVER Openweight Championship - Tomohiro Ishii (c) vs. Katsuyori Shibata

IWGP Intercontinental Championship - Shinsuke Nakamura (c) vs. AJ Styles

IWGP Heavyweight Championship - Kazuchika Okada (c) vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi

My thoughts.  Well, this should be a tremendous show.  The last three matches, if everyone is 100% and left to their own devices, should be mind-blowing.  The junior tag match should be a nice spotfest match (though I did wish it would be just 2v2).  The heavyweight tag match, if booked well, could be a great moment in the sun for Honma.  As for Elgin/Lethal, Lethal has got a title match coming up against AJ Styles on 12/18, but since this is wrestling and AJ is already in a big title match at WK, there's no way Elgin/Lethal isn't for the ROH belt.

I look forward to the watch.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread - New Champ to be crowned @Survivor Series.
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 09, 2015, 10:27:46 PM
Those last two matches should be excellent. I haven't seen a lot of NJPW, but I look forward to Wrestle Kingdom. Last year was amazing.

Speaking of amazing wrestling next year, Lucha Underground returns on 27th of January.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: mrrct on December 10, 2015, 05:20:16 AM
AJ's health, last I read, was up in the air.  If he can't go, the Nakamura match will be lackluster because they'll have to pull a retread out of the Battle Royal (Tenzan, Nagata, i.e.).

The NEVER match should be stiff as hell with Ishii against Shibata.  Even though Shibata wasn't a particularly good MMA fighter, he looks the part, and everything he does looks as though it hurts.  And Ishii gives and takes a great beating, as evidenced by his matches with Makabe and Honma last week.

I'm still a little confused about the heel/face dynamic when it comes to Great Bash Heel.  I've always thought that Makabe was a heel, just in the way he carried himself in the ring and how he calls the press "Bastards" repeatedly in the faux press conferences after the matches.  His tag team partner, Honma, is cheered big-time however, and Ishii was booed last week.  Ishii, meanwhile, is Nakamura's tag team partner.  Nakamura is the most over guy in the promotion, even though he is nominally a heel, and the crowd actually laughs or cheers when he cheats, much like Toru Yanu.

The junior singles match will be better this year with Kushida instead of Taguchi, just for the sake of not having to look at Rear Views as a finisher in a serious wrestling match.  However, since Kushida is challenging for the singles title, the junior tag match will not be as good with the Time Splitters not in it, although Ricochet and Evan Bourne should be a good replacement, and Roppongi Vice isn't that much different than Forever Hooligans.

Finally, it looks like Tanahashi is going to pass the torch to Okada this year, unless his backstage, political skills rival Triple H's, in which case, he'll continue to hold the top stop long after people want to see new blood.  I personally think Nakamura should be the man, because even though they went with him earlier (circa 2003-2004) he was just a bland heel then and not the performer that he is today.  I think Tanahashi is credited with bringing the company out of the doldrums of the mid-2000s (Inoki leaving the company, dual IWGP world champions, stronger competition from AJPW and NOAH, etc.), so that is why he still has his spot, but from what I've read, he's becoming Cena-stale.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 12, 2015, 07:24:09 AM
So, I have barely watched this since the spring, but let me get this straight: in the span of two months, Seth Rollins legit broke John Cena's nose and then legit messed up Sting's neck?  Yeah, they have a word for wrestlers like that: unsafe.  It's probably good for the other performers that he is now out for a while with a torn ACL, since he can't anyone else in the ring if he isn't there.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 12, 2015, 07:41:09 AM
I think it's just bad luck to happen in such close proximity, but two does not make a pattern here. Sting is 100 years old and brittle. The move was done fine, but Sting was clearly too old to be trying to take such a move. If done the same on any current wrestler, there wouldn't have been a problem, and I don't blame Rollins for not having experience fighting someone 20-30 years older than the rest of the roster.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on December 12, 2015, 09:37:11 AM
and sting took 2 of the damn things. He said the first one felt rough but he thought he could take the second one better. He should have called the spot off.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: jjrock88 on December 12, 2015, 09:40:27 AM
Sting took at least the partial blame for that one.

From what I remember, the John Cena nose injury was a Seth screw up completely.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: mrrct on December 12, 2015, 09:41:54 AM
Broken noses happen all the time in wrestling, especially in the indies, where WWE has to find its new talent now that they've put all of the other "Sports Entertainment"-style promotions out of business (TNA is on life support).  The non-Lucha indies wrestle a much stiffer, more realistic style, as does New Japan, where most of their competitors came from martial arts and some also fought shoot matches in PRIDE.  New Japan guys bust each other open the hard way all the time, and I'm sure I've seen Okada, one of their biggest stars, finish a match with a legitimate concussion, something that WWE wouldn't allow now.  Where WWE screwed up is letting Rollins keep too much of his indie move set, as the leaping knee strikes aren't a particularly entertaining move and are capable of legit damage, but then again it is his indie move set that got him over in the first place.

The Sting injury was going to happen with any simple bump, as it was later determined that he has spinal stenosis, which is essentially what ended Steve Austin's and Edge's careers.


Raw's ratings are lower now than Nitro's were when they were cancelled by AOL/Time Warner.   There is a major lack of star power on the roster right now.  Cena is on hiatus.  Rollins and Bryan are out with injuries, and from what I've read, the WWE is never going to clear Bryan (concussion related).  Orton is out again with his semi-annual shoulder dislocation, and they pay Lesnar $1M/date, so he's never on TV except on the go-homes before a Top Four p-p-v.  The good news is that Big Show is also out with a knee injury, so we're spared more Roman Reigns/Big Show main events, which is what Vince would give us every week.

The WWE has failed to produce new stars for several years now, and they refuse to listen to their fans and continue to push people nobody cares about.  The fans want Cesaro as a main eventer, but he's a jobber to the stars (and now he's injured too).  They have stopped and started pushes for Dolph Ziggler for about five years now.  Everybody they bring up from NXT is buried immediately, like Neville, Tyler Breeze, the Ascension, Adam Rose, etc., although most of them suck anyway.  Kevin Owens is the only NXT guy who gets any response at all, and it's mostly favorable, which is bad because he's a heel.  They will make Roman Reigns the face of their company no matter how many years it takes, and no matter how little number of fans want to see it happen.

The Divas Revolution is a disaster.  They bring up three good female wrestlers from NXT, after years of having bikini models in throwaway, 90-second matches, and essentially integrate them with the holdovers by forming three three-woman-teams and having throwaway, 90-second matches. One of the call ups, Sasha Banks, was an absolute star in NXT and should be the face of the division for years, but she is completely lost in the shuffle and just another girl.  The result of all of this is, other than sometimes two divas segments instead of one, is that casual fans don't want to sit through women's matches, while the fans that like NXT-style women's matches are disappointed greatly, so nobody is satisfied.  And the fact that they have a Charlotte-Paige feud where they miscast the face-heel dynamic, never have a blow off, and then turn the other heel clearly shows they have no idea what they're doing.  Or that Vince and Kevin Dunn just think that all women are bitches.

The fact is people will watch good wrestling if it's available.  My cable alone has 900 odd channels. and there are subscription channels in addition.  The New Japan show blows everybody else away.  The ROH show, despite its low production values, is more entertaining than Raw right now.  I don't get Lucha Underground on my cable, but people swear by it.  NXT does everything right that the main roster does wrong, except for heavily pushing Eva Marie, but that's a side product of Total Divas
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 12, 2015, 09:44:36 AM
One of the first rules of being a pro wrestler is, you have to protect yourself AND your opponent.  I can't recall any other top wrestler over decades injuring two wrestlers to that extent in such a short span.  If they were loaded right now, I'll bet he would have punished by being demoted to the mid-card after the Cena incident alone, but given that at the time he was the champ and they the cupboard was/is bare, they likely had no choice to let him maintain his position (prior to his injury).
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 12, 2015, 09:51:09 AM
Bryan won't get cleared to wrestle because Vince blames him for Reigns being hated by the smarks now.  I think it's clear their plan after WM30 was for:

-Lesnar to beat Bryan for the belt at SummerSlam
-Because he beat Bryan, Lesnar would get even more heat as a heel
-Reigns would eventually beat Lesnar at WM31 as a massive face and fans would relish in seeing Lesnar go down

However, once Bryan's neck put him out of commission, Cena became the champ and what happened was:

-Lesnar beat Cena for the belt at SummerSlam, which instead of making him even more of a hated heel, turned him into somewhat of a tweener, since so many dislike Cena
-Bryan was brought back too soon and then eliminated quickly at the Rumble, angering fans, and making fans turn on Reigns, whom they feel the WWE had predetermined to be the man, instead of Bryan, who organically got over as a face because of his natural charisma and awesome wrestling style
-Thus, Reigns did not win over Lesnar at WM, because the fans would have booed him unmercifully, like they did at the end of his Rumble win, so they did the swerve with Rollins running in and cashing in to win the belt

So now, Vince isn't about to let Bryan come back in and take all of the face cheers again, to where the fans take the "we'll boo anyone you put in the WM main event who isn't Daniel Bryan" approach.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: mrrct on December 12, 2015, 10:04:30 AM
Everything you wrote until your last paragraph is entirely correct, Kev.

Bryan suffered a major concussion just after winning the Intercontinental Title at WrestleMania.  It was either in a televised match against Ziggler or on the English tour in a match against Sheamus.  The plan was for Bryan to elevate the IC belt the same way that Cena elevated the U.S. belt, by being defended every week on Smackdown and carrying the championship for months, maybe losing it briefly a time or two (like Rollins' month-long U.S. reign) but always regaining it.  Vince finally realized that passing the two mid-card belts around like a hot potato did nothing for their credibility and that by putting them on main eventers they'd become more than trinkets.  Plus it had the added benefit of giving Bryan's fans the satisfaction that he would at least be the undisputed star of Smackdown, since the WHC rarely appeared on it.

Of course, after Bryan relinquished the belt, it became a trinket again as it was given to Ryback and now Owens.

The WWE is struggling very badly right now and Vince would definitely activate Bryan right now if there was no issue.  He'd be the IC champ, although with Raw in the low 2's they'd probably bring him back to the flagship show.  They would just keep him out of the main event scene to not sabotage Reigns.  Vince is clearly worried about the Billy Jack Haynes/class-action concussion lawsuit and isn't going to let the plaintiffs use Bryan as exhibit A.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on December 12, 2015, 12:28:13 PM
I thought Ryback and Kevin owens were good IC champs, and if ambrose wins at TLC I'm sure he will be too.


On a side note they just announced a Takeover event for Wrestlemania Weekend. Takeover Brooklyn blew summerslam out of the water IMO and I would not be surprised if people end up liking this one more than mania.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 14, 2015, 07:09:50 AM
TLC wasn't as bad as I expected (although I expected nothing).

The pre-show match with Sasha Banks vs Becky Lynch was great, it's a shame it was a match with no build-up blown on the pre-show. Maybe don't parrot Divas Revolution endlessly when you can't stick another women's match on the main show despite the popularity of Sasha (who's supposed to be a heel). The crowd still got behind it though. That match flowed so well, it just annoyed me more that any of the existing "divas" have been booked in competitive matches with these NXT girls.

The opening match was excellent. The New Day are stars, and are so over right now. The match itself was better than I expected, some great original high spots, and Xavier Woods on commentary was one of the best things ever.

Dean Ambrose winning was a pleasant surprise. I suppose this means they'll feud for another PPV or two, which I'm more than ok with. The match was solid.

The Diva's title match was ok, except that they can't even book their title feud properly. Diva's revolution my ass. Let's turn the champ heel right before the match, but leave Paige a heel too. Why do they have to make this look so hard?

The title match stunk, but the crowd knew it, so that softened the blow. I'm thoroughly over the tired done to death story they're pushing for Reigns leading into the Rumble /Wrestlemania stretch. If it worked in the Attitude era, surely it will keep working again and again for the next 20 years, right?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on December 14, 2015, 08:36:30 AM
I thought the title match was actually pretty good. The crowd really got on my nerves during it.


Also Im glad there is an actual storyline developing with Charlotte alienating Becky with her actions. First time a divas storyline has made sense in months.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 14, 2015, 08:38:28 AM
Hopefully they can build enough of a storyline to stop using the words "diva's revolution" ever again. :lol

Heel Charlotte vs face Sasha Banks, Wrestlemania, make it happen.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: mrrct on December 14, 2015, 08:48:16 AM
So Vince poached Mauro Ranallo from New Japan to take over haed announcing duties on Smackdown.  That sucks for the AXS New Japan show, because Ranallo's commentary was awesome. I hope they let Ranallo call matches the way he wants to, without Vince in his headset and Booker and Lawler arguing for time and trying to get themselves over, but with Vince, who knows.  I wish Ranallo got the RAW and p-p-v announcing gig, but he can't do it because it's a live show and he'll always be travelling weekends calling Showtime fights.  He can do Smackdown because it's a taped in the middle of the week.  Between Ranallo and Cole there is no comparison, and the B show will probably be worth watching now.  It just sucks that he won't be doing the A Show.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 14, 2015, 01:50:50 PM
^^ That's a shame.  Is it possible to pull triple duty between AXS NJPW show, Smackdown, and the Showtime fights?  Too much to ask for?  All right, I guess we need a new guy for NJPW on AXS TV.  I wonder who will it be? I say either Matt Striker or J.R.  They seem to do a decent job at Wrestle Kingdom 9, albeit JR was a tad rusty and didn't have a great grasp (still decent though) of the NJPW guys, but he still brought a big-time vibe to it and put NJPW over as a credible alternative product well.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: mrrct on December 14, 2015, 03:16:50 PM
My understanding is that Jeff Jarrett brokered Jim Ross for Wrestle Kingdom 9, and that Ross himself does not want a permanent gig, and would probably cost more than what NJPW wants to do the voice overs post production.  Striker is more of color man, and Barnett is the best in the business at that as far as I am concerned.  They have a partnership with ROH, so my guess is that Kevin Kelly will end up doing it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 16, 2015, 09:24:51 AM
Hey now we don't have to worry of Roman is gonna win the rumble again.   :yeahright
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 17, 2015, 06:17:55 PM
Sounds like smart booking for a change, for a variety of reasons:

1) it got the belt off of that clown Sheamus.
2) it added some unpredictability to the Rumble.
3) it got Reigns over a bit with the smarks (although I am sure they will turn on him again soon :lol), which wouldn't have happen with another Rumble win and inevitable WM win.
4) it makes RAW worth checking out again, since you never know when a title change might happen on it.

Also, checking out the end of TLC on YT, Stephanie has officially entered the Vickie Guerrero territory of getting heat because she is annoying in general, not because she acts like a heel.  When she screams, it's like nails on the chalkboard.  That is mainly why I stopped watching, since any promo with her and HHH features her being annoying as hell and him droning on in his boring token promo voice for 14 minutes.  When either starts talking, I change the channel.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 17, 2015, 07:51:15 PM
Also, checking out the end of TLC on YT, Stephanie has officially entered the Vickie Guerrero territory of getting heat because she is annoying in general, not because she acts like a heel.  When she screams, it's like nails on the chalkboard.  That is mainly why I stopped watching, since any promo with her and HHH features her being annoying as hell and him droning on in his boring token promo voice for 14 minutes.  When either starts talking, I change the channel.

You mean something like what The Rock is referencing here?

https://youtu.be/KYEhpByMUD4?t=5m55s

It's hard to believe it, but somehow almost 16 years later, they apparently still do the same thing.  It's also hard to believe that NXT HHH is so much different and gives more purpose in the grand scheme of things to wrestling than the main shows HHH.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 05, 2016, 09:27:36 AM
Hey now we don't have to worry of Roman is gonna win the rumble again.   :yeahright

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
Hey now we don't have to worry of Roman is gonna win the rumble again.   :yeahright

I stand corrected.

The ONE upside to Roman Reigns being champ gone. Maybe they'll make it 3/3 for RR trainwrecks. Either RR is winning the rumble, or he's losing it to win it back at WM. Either way he'll be in the title match at WM. I really don't want anyone to have to job to Reigns at WM.

In better news, I watched Wrestle Kingdom 10 today. Perhaps not quite as good as last year's overall, but still excellent. The commentary was a downer, with Striker playing second fiddle, plus the addition of that worthless 3rd guy.

In worse news, WWE has signed Nakamura and AJ Styles. :(
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 05, 2016, 09:47:50 AM
This one hurts my soul. Triple H is #30... wins the Rumble....and the belt... setting up Triple H and Reigns at Mania.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 05, 2016, 10:10:43 AM
This one hurts my soul. Triple H is #30... wins the Rumble....and the belt... setting up Triple H and Reigns at Mania.

I'd laugh, but I wouldn't even put it past HHH.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: jjrock88 on January 05, 2016, 02:28:46 PM
I find the AJ Styles signing very interesting.  I would imagine they will utilize him on the main roster instead of just NXT.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on January 06, 2016, 08:24:44 AM
The rumor going around is that they'll make a Bullet Club-WWE with Balor, Karl Anderson, Doc Gallows and AJ Styles. Which wouldn't be a bad idea, but AJ deserves a singles push.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 06, 2016, 08:30:19 AM
Maybe it will be like the Radicalz where Benoit and Guerrero eventually branched out.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on January 06, 2016, 08:35:26 AM
I would totally be OK with that! Balor and AJ branching out would be great! Karl Anderson is a good wrestler but I don't see him getting a big push in WWE.

I'm also expecting WWE to totally shit all over what makes Nakamura great.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: jjrock88 on January 06, 2016, 08:39:14 AM
A group would be a good place for AJ to start and hopefully develop into a singles star.

Kenny Omega is somebody that would be an awesome fit for NXT. He resides in Japan but is from my hometown and still works an independent organization here every three months or so. It's a small bar show but this guy is just an amazing athlete and he is doing very well in Japan
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on January 06, 2016, 08:58:36 AM
Kenny Omega was once under a development deal with WWE but left because he hated Bill DeMott and has (rumors) turn them down twice because of that bad experience.

And he's about to get a mega push on NJPW so he won't be leaving anytime soon!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 07, 2016, 10:51:58 AM
Now Cena is out for most of the year...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 07, 2016, 07:55:07 PM
Now Cena is out for most of the year...

Which sucks. :( People like to hate on Cena, but he always puts on excellent matches, and Undertaker vs Cena was the only potential and likely match at this point I was excited to see. I don't know what they're doing with Taker now, but unless it's Kevin Owens or something, it's gonna be total shit.
Wrestlemania is going to be awful this year. Every single title winner out of last year's Wrestlemania is currently out injured. If they were smart, they could build up the mid-card that deserves to be in the bigger matches, and maybe even get totally crazy and have two Divas matches, but they won't. Instead they'll scrape together part timer veterans, and probably pad it out with jobber big guys.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: KevShmev on January 07, 2016, 07:58:47 PM
The WWE deserves this.  Now, that doesn't mean I am happy to see Cena or Rollins or anybody else hurt, but after years of them giving the majority of the best spots in the biggest PPV of the year to part-timers, this is the roosters coming home to roost.  I think it's hilarious that they are having Wrestlemania this year in a venue that holds so many people, with such a depleted talent pool.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 07, 2016, 08:11:03 PM
The WWE deserves this.  Now, that doesn't mean I am happy to see Cena or Rollins or anybody else hurt, but after years of them giving the majority of the best spots in the biggest PPV of the year to part-timers, this is the roosters coming home to roost.  I think it's hilarious that they are having Wrestlemania this year in a venue that holds so many people, with such a depleted talent pool.

And even before a lot of the injuries, I haven't heard about a lot of solid plans anyway. Last year the big matches were known months in advance, but this year it's been a bunch of vague rumours.
It's their own fault they're scrambling. They arguably have a more talented roster than ever overall, but they have no idea how to develop stars or handle multiple story lines, or even give people what they clearly want. They have NXT to develop great new talent, then basically bury them out of spite once they get to the main roster, they dismiss fan response to a lot of popular wrestlers, and the few times they manage to let something good develop, they manage to ruin it because they don't understand why it worked in the first place.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: KevShmev on January 07, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
Well, I have to admit that I never watch NXT, and I barely watch RAW anymore, but I did tune in the other night at the end and that was embarrassing.  Even Vince did a horrific job of selling that shit at the end. 

Oh, and Stephanie has reached Vickie Guerrero status: she is so annoying in general that she makes me change the channel instantly.  It's not a matter of "heal heat where you are supposed to hate her"; it's a matter of "when she talks, I just want to rip my ears off and throw them at her."
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 07, 2016, 08:19:16 PM
I haven't watched or followed Raw at all since Sheamus won the title, and it was only downhill from there with Reigns. I don't watch the weekly NXT shows, but I usually catch the special shows, so I know how good they really are before being buried in tag matches on Smackdown on the main roster.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 19, 2016, 07:31:00 AM
I bothered to watch this last Raw before the Royal Rumble, and boy is it going to suck. The rest of the card actually looks pretty good, but the RR match itself is going suck even harder than last year.

With Reigns coming in #1, the entire Rumble will be about him regardless of whether he wins or loses, since whoever wins is just setting him up to win at Wrestlemania anyway. Last year he came in around half way, and the entire Rumble still suffered hugely because it was completely one track minded, so imagine that with Reigns in there the entire time. Forget side stories, forget good pacing, it's all Reigns Reigns Reigns this year. Win or lose, he'll make it to the end.

It's the most blatant rehash of Austin in the Attitude era, except without the personality, the popularity, the justification or the dynamic, and the worst part is that it's going to be a dumbass crowd who will eat it right up and validate McMahon's ass-backwards way of thinking and his belief that Reigns is over.

It looks like they're setting up to possibly waste Lesnar in a throwaway feud with Wyatt, which doesn't leave many real legitimate contenders to win the Rumble. We'll probably get HHH as a surprise entrant at #30 to win it so Reigns can win it back at WM, because HHH loves to insert himself into any big storyline and pump up his legend status in his own mind. Reigns can't go into WM as the champ, because there's no real story there.

On the plus side, I decided to sign up for the free month on the WWE Network to watch the PPV live for the first time in over a decade, so at least I'll be disappointed in realtime with everyone else. :lol
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: jjrock88 on January 19, 2016, 08:18:36 AM
I do always enjoy looking forward to the Rumble match itself; even though most of them are disappointing overall. I wonder who will be the surprise entrants this year- Triple H, Angle, Styles?

The 1992 Rumble match is one of my all time favorite matches ever. Monsoon and Brain were on fire commentating as well.

RIP Iron Mike Sharpe
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 19, 2016, 08:22:10 AM
My brother and I were talking about this last night, and I came up with what and who the WWE really needs.

Hogan.



















































:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 19, 2016, 08:25:39 AM
I do always enjoy looking forward to the Rumble match itself; even though most of them are disappointing overall. I wonder who will be the surprise entrants this year- Triple H, Angle, Styles?

The 1992 Rumble match is one of my all time favorite matches ever. Monsoon and Brain were on fire commentating as well.

RIP Iron Mike Sharpe

Monsoon and Heenan. That's a classic announcing team! Rewatching the old Rumbles, it's so refreshing to hear great commentary from JR, Striker, and even Taz and a few others (the oldest I've watched recently is 1996). The current commentary is just wallpaper noise. They should use that new Smackdown guy for PPVs.

I heard that Styles will debut the Raw after the Rumble, so I wouldn't expect him as a surprise entrant. They don't want to create too much buzz for anyone but Reigns, and the average WWE viewer probably doesn't know him well enough. I think Angle is recovering from injuries, and they didn't want to hire him last time he was free (which sucks because he's one of my absolute all time favourite wrestlers).
I expect HHH, and maybe a couple of NXT guys to pad out numbers if they're running low. Or just dig out some wrestlers you forgot were still employed like Goldust.

The Royal Rumble has always been my favourite PPV, but the last couple of years they've missed the mark so hard and ignored all of that potential. In the old Rumbles, they would plant the seeds of so many Wrestlemania feuds.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: jjrock88 on January 19, 2016, 08:30:32 AM
I agree about the commentating, it's really been lacking. And I really can't stand listening to JBL

Mauro Ranallo is one of their best signings. I think he should become the lead announcer on Raw and PPV's. Awesome announcer!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 19, 2016, 08:40:17 AM
I agree about the commentating, it's really been lacking. And I really can't stand listening to JBL

Mauro Ranallo is one of their best signings. I think he should become the lead announcer on Raw and PPV's. Awesome announcer!

I hate JBL. His heel colour style is too forced, not like the classic personalities who did it naturally. WWE doesn't value the announcing role which is why we've been stuck with ex-wrestlers and random employees. Who thought it was a good idea to give Byron Saxton a microphone? :lol The three man announcer team needs to go. Too many cooks in the kitchen.

I haven't heard a lot of Ranallo since I don't watch Smackdown, but I hear nothing but good things, and they badly need a real commentator like him. Commentary is crucial for more than just advertising the WWE Network and plugging Twitter hashtags, it's important to put over the talent and sell the storylines. JR got you emotionally invested in a match and made it feel real, the current team just makes you feel like you're watching a rifftrack of a tacky comedy soap.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: jjrock88 on January 19, 2016, 09:03:31 AM
Ranallo is the real deal. He's Canadian so I've been hearing and seeing him for years on various fight/mma shows. He is very credible and knowledgable about all things wrestling and fighting.

WWE is in a major rut right now and they need to change up many aspects, announcing is one of them. IMO they are on the right track by getting Ranallo.

But the Raw format itself needs an overhaul. Maybe change up the look and design, the entrance ramp, music. It's just so stale as is. There was a time where I wouldn't dare miss an episode of Raw, but now it's just meh if I do.

It desperately needs to go back to two hours
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 19, 2016, 09:09:07 AM
Agreed on all counts. The only reason they stick to three hours is money, which wouldn't be an issue if the product was good/popular enough, but it isn't. I'm tired of seeing the exact same set for every single Raw and PPV, the same music, the same commentary (and getting worse going from King to Saxton), the same tired promo to start the show, the worn out authority thing, seeing the exact same kinds of guys getting pushed while the same guys continue to get overlooked and held back, the same storylines told the same way.

The whole company is stuck in a rut that I don't see ending until McMahon dies, and even then...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: jjrock88 on January 19, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
The authority gimmick needs to be shut down for sure
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on January 19, 2016, 09:16:30 AM
I dont really blame the commentators for the commentary. I blame the fact that Vince is always in their ear directing them. That was one of the reasons Mick Foley quit doing it.

The authority gimmick needs to be shut down for sure

And yes totally. HHH even looks bored as hell most of the time now like he would rather be doing something else.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 19, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
The authority gimmick needs to be shut down for sure


I'm just sick of seeing the same Attitude era storyline recycled, especially when it makes no sense, and is just face = bad, heel = good. At one point the authority was trying to stop Cena being champ FFS.

We want a dependable champion who's best for business. Mr "Make-A-Wish all time champion who never misses a day of work unless he breaks his neck and needs to take a week off to recover" isn't a good fit at all!

I dont really blame the commentators for the commentary. I blame the fact that Vince is always in their ear directing them. That was one of the reasons Mick Foley quit doing it.

I bet Michael Cole hears permanent voices in his head at this point telling him what to do. That dude is an empty husk of a human being.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 19, 2016, 01:01:15 PM
In other news, JR is now going to do commentary for NJPW on AXS TV.

http://411mania.com/wrestling/jim-ross-official-for-njpw-on-axs-tv-commentary-job/

Huzzah!!!  This is actually something, even though NJPW themselves has nothing to do with it, NJPW needs that could be to their benefit.  They lost four guys, two of them some of their top guys of the company, and AXS lost a really great commentator in Mauro Ranallo that did a great job on the AXS show.  AXS bringing JR in could somehow bring a little more eyeballs to the NJPW product, even if the matches occurred a lot of months ago.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 24, 2016, 01:43:02 PM
Bad feeling about tonight's rumble match. Don't want to see any of my top 3 win.....
Since TLC, I've been saying that Triple H is going to win the Royal Rumble, and now, hours away, I am sticking with that pick, even as it's gained traction. I can realistically see him, Brock or Roman winning it. Outside chance to Bryan, if he's healthy and reliable, or Rollins if he had a freakish recovery.
I will be rooting for Ambrose, Ziggler, or any other "deserving" grinder. Hope it's entertaining.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 24, 2016, 06:07:20 PM
Zero chance of Bryan being in it, or Rollins. Brock will get cost his chance by the Wyatts and that will be his wasted WM match.

I'm sticking with HHH from man #30, if not then Reigns retaining.

And the Last Man Standing opening? FFS
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 24, 2016, 09:01:18 PM
ugh... goodnight.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on January 24, 2016, 09:08:12 PM
I don't mind HHH winning as it at least makes sense with the ongoing storyline. Since he's going to be seeing more action maybe he actually wont look bored as hell during the authority segments now.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 24, 2016, 09:11:15 PM
And not a single person was surprised in the slightest.

Well, that was predictable as hell, but otherwise that was a great show. Every match was good and had the best outcome, AJ Styles had a good showing, the crowd was amazing, and the RR match itself was overall well booked.

I'm not happy about the Wyatt family taking on Lesnar, but they were smart with having the entire family come out to beat him and toss him out before Reigns came back, and it made sense to have them clear house.
HHH at #30 was the worst kept secret ever, but I was slightly surprised they got rid of Reigns before Ambrose, but that was quite smart of them. People didn't boo the final two, and HHH didn't get cheered as he did against Reigns. It does't make sense that Reigns disappeared and didn't help his former Shield buddy win the belt to get back at HHH.

Kofi got a crap deal. They gave him his little spot of getting caught and parading around a while, and I was getting nervous it took so long to get back in the ring, then suddenly I couldn't see him and it turns out he got eliminated off camera. Poop.

It was silly that Reigns got beaten up but was able to walk to the back. If you can walk, you get back in the Rumble. You couldn't even take Foley out of a HIAC match on a stretcher, but Reigns went and took a breather. Then when he came back, he wasn't stumbling or selling his injury, he burst out like he was well rested. You don't sit out that long. The way that was booked didn't make him look like a fighter or an underdog as they wanted.

And I'm sorry Orlando I underestimated you. An amazing crowd. They got into everything, they cheered (and booed) loudly.

The rest of the show was good. Ambrose/Owens was very good, and that table spot was a cool ending. The tag match was a lot of fun (although watching this one live, I missed a bit due to loading). The New Day keep getting better and better. The women's match was good but could have even gone longer. It was well built up and booked though. Sasha Banks got one of the biggest pops of the night, and I'm excited for Charlotte/Sasha at WM. I hate Del Rio, but that match wasn't too bad.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Zook on January 24, 2016, 09:21:33 PM
Triple H's retirement reign maybe?

Roman Reigns wouldn't be so bad if he had more than 3 moves. Even Goldberg had more moves, and was more entertaining too. I like Lesnar, but Suplex City is boring. Do something else for fucks sake.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 24, 2016, 09:27:20 PM
Lesnar is capable of a lot more, but that's his thing these days. I still find it entertaining to just see him snap the shit out of everyone, so I'm fine with that, especially in a Rumble.

Reigns just sucks though. He has a punch, a tackle, and a jump kick. Space that out with punches and clotheslines. That's it. He makes the Rock look like Bret Hart by comparison, and the Rock at least compensated with charisma, which Reigns lacks entirely.

Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: jjrock88 on January 24, 2016, 09:52:01 PM
Solid show overall.  Very cool to see Styles show up; interested to see what they do with him tommorow on Raw.

Triple H champ?  meh
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 28, 2016, 04:44:37 AM
First episode back of Lucha Underground was great. That's how you do a heel manager/champion!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on January 28, 2016, 03:17:30 PM
First episode back and they set up resistance to the heel manager/champion's reign, broke the champion's arm (by a heel that got a white meat babyface pop), had a woman compete in the main event for it's top championship and killed 3 people!

I fucking love this show!
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 28, 2016, 04:18:17 PM
Well I just started watching NXT after hearing all the rave reviews and I love it... guess I'll check out LU as well. Where can I watch it though?

By the way NXT is fucking great.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Dimitrius on January 28, 2016, 04:24:01 PM
Unfortunately, if you don't have El Rey network or like Sling or (I think) Roku, you'd have to, illegally, stream or torrent it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 28, 2016, 04:27:36 PM
Ok. Gonna have to do the stream thing. Thanx, bro.  :tup
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 28, 2016, 07:00:33 PM
If you were a professional wrestler, and could use any piece of music, what would your walk-up music be?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 28, 2016, 08:12:05 PM
First episode back and they set up resistance to the heel manager/champion's reign, broke the champion's arm (by a heel that got a white meat babyface pop), had a woman compete in the main event for it's top championship and killed 3 people!

I fucking love this show!

:lol Beautiful summary.
I loved how the look on lvelisse's face slowly changed from "I just won the match and earned a title shot" to "Oh shit I'm about to get killed by Mil Muertes". :lol That's how you sell!

I also like how they changed the look to match the new management by darkening the lighting and removing the band. I miss the band, but it works to make the whole thing feel like it's legitimately being run differently and evolving. Not just the same thing year in, year out........

The filmed sections were pretty cool too. They didn't just ignore Vampiro's storyline and go right back to commentary, they gave him a little video to bring him back. I'm glad Dario Cueto is still around too.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 28, 2016, 08:55:22 PM
Yep just watched the season 2 premier. I'm loving it. Shoulda told me Johnny Nitro was there.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: LordCost on January 30, 2016, 10:30:21 AM
I watched the Royal Rumble without reading anything on the web about wrestling for some time and I was shocked about the entrance of AJ Styles and really surprised that Triple H won the Rumble.
It's difficult for WWE to not be predictable when every news is available on the web. If Dean Ambrose had lost the Intercontinental Title at the start of the show I would have believed in his winning at the end (I hoped for a moment that given the low ratings they wanted to give the title to Ambrose).

I think it was the best PPV since the last Wrestlemania
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 01, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
If you were a professional wrestler, and could use any piece of music, what would your walk-up music be?

Quite frankly, I'd would use this theme.  It's NJPW/DDT's Kota Ibushi theme song.  Sounds very rocking and has a, I want to say, heroic feel to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lq4zrFo_mI
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on February 01, 2016, 08:12:04 PM
Me watching Tyler Breeze get wasted on the main roster:

(http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/braincrying_zpsmywusxhg.gif)
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on February 01, 2016, 08:16:29 PM
If you were a professional wrestler, and could use any piece of music, what would your walk-up music be?

The Zoo by the Scorpions. I've always thought this would be a bad ass tune to walk down to.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on February 08, 2016, 11:39:13 AM
Daniel Bryan's announced his retirement. I need to go lay down for a couple hours.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: jjrock88 on February 08, 2016, 12:45:20 PM
That sucks.  A Bryan-Styles match would have been epic.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: lordnafaryus on February 08, 2016, 12:49:03 PM
Daniel Bryan's announced his retirement. I need to go lay down for a couple hours.

I just read he's going to appear on Raw to announce it... Is it a work? Could be an angle leading to a retirement match at Mania? I hope  :-[
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on February 08, 2016, 12:55:04 PM
Daniel Bryan's announced his retirement. I need to go lay down for a couple hours.

I just read he's going to appear on Raw to announce it... Is it a work? Could be an angle leading to a retirement match at Mania? I hope  :-[

Yeah, I'm holding out hope it's some kind of work, but we'll see. He tweeted that he was retiring effective immediately and that he'll be on Raw tonight to explain.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: lordnafaryus on February 08, 2016, 01:01:10 PM
Daniel Bryan's announced his retirement. I need to go lay down for a couple hours.

I just read he's going to appear on Raw to announce it... Is it a work? Could be an angle leading to a retirement match at Mania? I hope  :-[

Yeah, I'm holding out hope it's some kind of work, but we'll see. He tweeted that he was retiring effective immediately and that he'll be on Raw tonight to explain.

Looks like a lot of non-wrestling news sources are reporting it too. This might be the real deal :(
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2016, 08:03:23 PM
If true, that really sucks.  I almost never watch anymore, and with Bryan retired and Punk seemingly done for a while, I can't see watching regularly ever again.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: jingle.boy on February 08, 2016, 08:04:34 PM
If true, that really sucks.  I almost never watch anymore, and with Bryan retired and Punk seemingly done for a while, I can't see watching regularly ever again.

Punk in MMA?  Wonder if he'll do any good?

The most I've followed WWE in the past 7-8 years is this thread.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on February 09, 2016, 06:38:30 AM
I used to be a big fan back in the late 90's but the best thing to happen to the WWE would be to get rid of anyone with the last name of McMahon and HHH.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 09, 2016, 06:40:17 AM
I used to be a big fan back in the late 90's but the best thing to happen to the WWE would be to get rid of anyone with the last name of McMahon and HHH.

Oh if only.

Bryan's retirement segment was so sad. If you didn't tear up during that, you have no soul.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on February 09, 2016, 09:58:06 AM
I used to be a big fan back in the late 90's but the best thing to happen to the WWE would be to get rid of anyone with the last name of McMahon and HHH.

Nah if anything HHH should be in charge. I have enjoyed NXT a whole lot more than I have the main roster shows for a while now.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Marion Crane on February 09, 2016, 05:05:33 PM
I used to be a big fan back in the late 90's but the best thing to happen to the WWE would be to get rid of anyone with the last name of McMahon and HHH.

Oh if only.

Bryan's retirement segment was so sad. If you didn't tear up during that, you have no soul.

I honesty didn't. Mostly because I didn't believe a word of it. My bad. That's on me.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 09, 2016, 05:14:22 PM
Yep, I tuned it at the end last night to watch and it was pretty brutal.  That guy spend so many years working his way up, gets as over with the crowd as many as any wrestler ever, finally gets to the top against all odds, and then has his career taken out from under him due to injuries.  Very unfair.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 09, 2016, 08:51:09 PM
I honesty didn't. Mostly because I didn't believe a word of it. My bad. That's on me.

Sometimes, that's a fair thought.  We never really want the things we love so much to be taken away from us that we want to deny any information that can take away the things we love.  With all these information becoming more and more pronounced, it's quite clear that Daniel Bryan, or Bryan Danielson, will not step into a wrestling ring as an active wrestler ever again in any promotion.  The shock is still there where Edge retired out of nowhere, and I'm sure some people want to deny that, during his retirement speech, but they knew that Edge had his problems with his neck (similar with Austin) and that it was a matter of time.  In Bryan's case, his time to retire has come now as sad and as soon as it is.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 09, 2016, 08:58:10 PM
I used to be a big fan back in the late 90's but the best thing to happen to the WWE would be to get rid of anyone with the last name of McMahon and HHH.

Oh if only.

Bryan's retirement segment was so sad. If you didn't tear up during that, you have no soul.

I honesty didn't. Mostly because I didn't believe a word of it. My bad. That's on me.

Bryan has never been very natural on the mic for promos, so I knew that was all straight from the heart and honest. You could tell he was really soaking in that final experience and not taking it for granted, and was tearing up. :(

It's so sad to see a guy who worked so hard to earn his spot get taken out that way at the height of his popularity. Almost nobody else in the company gets a pop like that.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 16, 2016, 05:44:01 PM
Just saw on FB that Wade Barrett is leaving because he is dissatisfied with his role.  While he had bad luck with injuries, I always thought they wasted him.  He had that natural heel charisma, yet he was never really relevant once the Nexus storyline ended, and that was like five years ago or so.

I flipped on RAW right at 10 last night to see what the main event was and about fell off my couch laughing at how pathetic it was. 
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: lordnafaryus on February 18, 2016, 09:11:35 AM
Just saw on FB that Wade Barrett is leaving because he is dissatisfied with his role.  While he had bad luck with injuries, I always thought they wasted him.  He had that natural heel charisma, yet he was never really relevant once the Nexus storyline ended, and that was like five years ago or so.

Yeah, it must be frustrating, WWE is supposed to be the Mount Olympus of the wrestling world and everybody aspires to get there, so to actually get there and then basically be put on the shelf must be a terrible feeling... Just waiting for all the 'I'm afraid I've got some bad news' memes to show up now  ;D

On another note, does anybody know anything about The Undertakers Wrestlemania opponent? Apparently he will definitely be wrestling and Vince has chosen his opponent, but it is not somebody on the current roster.... Sting has been suggested but he still has a spinal injury from taking that second turnbuckle powerbomb from Rollins so seems unlikely...
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 18, 2016, 09:21:06 AM
Just saw on FB that Wade Barrett is leaving because he is dissatisfied with his role.  While he had bad luck with injuries, I always thought they wasted him.  He had that natural heel charisma, yet he was never really relevant once the Nexus storyline ended, and that was like five years ago or so.

Yeah, it must be frustrating, WWE is supposed to be the Mount Olympus of the wrestling world and everybody aspires to get there, so to actually get there and then basically be put on the shelf must be a terrible feeling... Just waiting for all the 'I'm afraid I've got some bad news' memes to show up now  ;D

On another note, does anybody know anything about The Undertakers Wrestlemania opponent? Apparently he will definitely be wrestling and Vince has chosen his opponent, but it is not somebody on the current roster.... Sting has been suggested but he still has a spinal injury from taking that second turnbuckle powerbomb from Rollins so seems unlikely...

It better not be Sting, or Goldberg, or The Rock. I have a sinking feeling The Undertaker is going to end up in another terrible match this WM. I'm still praying that Cena makes a miraculous recovery, because an old Undertaker and a recovering Cena is still going to be by far the best match they've got going. I would have loved Owens, but that got shot down. Ambrose would be a great option too, but probably unlikely. In a perfect world, Kurt Angle would make a surprise comeback. :lol

They've got piss poor plans right now if they expect to fill up a stadium of 100k people, and keep them there by the end of the title match. But hey, maybe they'll scrape something together. The last two Wrestlemanias were surprisingly good considering the card.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: lordnafaryus on February 18, 2016, 09:32:49 AM
It better not be Sting, or Goldberg, or The Rock. I have a sinking feeling The Undertaker is going to end up in another terrible match this WM. I'm still praying that Cena makes a miraculous recovery, because an old Undertaker and a recovering Cena is still going to be by far the best match they've got going. I would have loved Owens, but that got shot down. Ambrose would be a great option too, but probably unlikely. In a perfect world, Kurt Angle would make a surprise comeback. :lol

They've got piss poor plans right now if they expect to fill up a stadium of 100k people, and keep them there by the end of the title match. But hey, maybe they'll scrape something together. The last two Wrestlemanias were surprisingly good considering the card.

Sting is unlikely, The Rock apparently can't wrestle due to his insurance but will still 'appear' at the event, and GOLDBERG!!? Dear lord let's hope not... Kevin Owens/Taker could be a great match if they gave it some time and build up, I even found myself thinking Chris Jericho would be good opponent for Taker, again with the right build up, but this is when the leading rumour was Braun Strowman so I'd take just about anybody other than him  :-\ Kurt Angle returning to face Taker would be awesome, they've had some really good matches in the past.... I really hope his opponent isn't something completely stupid :(

They've also been pestering Shawn Michaels to come back and do something fro a while but he keeps turning them down... They wanted him at the Rumble but he said no... Wonder if they'll get him in for Mania?
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on February 18, 2016, 09:40:01 AM
I don't think so. Shawn seems to be enjoying retirement. He liked his retirement match so much he does not want to ruin it by coming back.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 18, 2016, 09:45:58 AM
I doubt they'll be able to sway Michaels, and I'm with Michaels on that one. He went out on an incredible high, and there's no point coming back for an average WWE storyline just so they can make some money. Michaels doesn't need it.

Braun Strowman should not have a 1 on 1 match at all at WM. He cannot wrestle, he doesn't deserve the spot over all of the veterans who have busted their asses off over the years only to not get good WM matches, and he's just the last in an unfortunately far too long list of shitty big guys that Vince has a raging boner for. He's fine as part of the Wyatts in an enforcer role, but that's it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Zook on February 18, 2016, 09:52:44 AM
Did Strowman only get sent to the main roster because of his looks? I thought only the best of the best from NXT got sent up.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on February 18, 2016, 10:42:39 AM
Its obvious vince cares more about looks than actual wrestling ability. Pretty much always has.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: lordnafaryus on February 18, 2016, 11:59:16 AM
he's just the last in an unfortunately far too long list of shitty big guys that Vince has a raging boner for.

I genuinely LOL'd at this! It's so true... Sticking Taker with lumbering big guys who can barely work was bad enough when he was full-time, but it's just a waste now he only wrestles a couple of times a year, so I'm glad this isn't happening.

And totally agree about HBK, his final few rivalries with Ric Flair, Chris Jericho and Undertaker were just perfect, and the retirement match was fantastic, anything else would just spoil it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on February 18, 2016, 12:00:27 PM
I'd love to see Undertaker go up against Demon Balor at Mania.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 18, 2016, 12:03:15 PM
Kamala

or possibly

King Kong Bundy
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on February 18, 2016, 12:11:03 PM
A match with Kamala would be pretty entertaining, considering the dude has no legs.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: lordnafaryus on February 18, 2016, 12:11:37 PM
I'd love to see Undertaker go up against Demon Balor at Mania.

YES PLEASE!!!!!!  :tup
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on February 18, 2016, 12:59:01 PM
Too bad Giant Gonzalez isn't still around for a rematch.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 18, 2016, 01:01:51 PM
A match with Kamala would be pretty entertaining, considering the dude has no legs.
:metal
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 22, 2016, 06:53:03 AM
Predictable as hell outcome to that triple threat, but an enjoyable match nonetheless thanks to Lesnar and Ambrose.
The opening Divas tag match was quite good, obviously thanks to Sasha and Becky.
I couldn't watch Big Show/Kane/Ryback against the Wyatts, but what the hell were they thinking having the Wyatts job to those losers? Even having seemingly changed their plans for the Wyatts at WM, that was just a pointless and stupid move.
I feel sorry for Charlotte having to work with Brie Bella in that match. Brie sucked, and shouldn't be trying to mooch heat off Bryan. Poor Charlotte probably wished she stuck to NXT after that one.
AJ Styles vs Jericho was pretty good. Even though he actually got the Styles Clash in this match, I feel like they're working to phase it out very quickly.
The whole segment with the New Day was a waste of time. The New Day are awesome, but it was just an ad for Edge and Christian's show, and was a waste of New Day and made it feel like a Raw episode. And it made the League of Nations look more like worthless bitches. What is the point of that faction? They could have actually put the US Title match on the main card instead. Good job devaluing the title after Cena had such a great run with it.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Bruinsfan25 on February 22, 2016, 07:25:59 AM
The New Day segment was a complete waste of time as was the R-Truth Goldust thing. Way to make it seem like even more of a Raw episode.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 22, 2016, 07:32:05 AM
And what were they thinking having those back to back? Total buzzkill for the main event. The crowd was reluctant from the start, so that didn't help.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: jjrock88 on February 22, 2016, 11:20:51 AM
The show was ok.  However, it was predictable and felt like a Raw episode.

I did enjoy the triple threat match and Jericho/Styles.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on February 22, 2016, 11:27:30 AM
The matches were pretty good for the most part except for the divas title match(man did Brie stink it up out there) and whatever the hell that R-truth vs curtis axel thing was. The storytelling is still pretty bad. This was the perfect opputunity to shake things up and make mania exciting, but instead Vince continues to try his hardest to make Reigns the top guy even though nobody wants him to be. It's like trying to cram a square peg in a round hole at this point. The only match I really cared about was Styles vs Jericho which did steal the show IMO.

Overall it was very middle of the road. Atleast I thought it was better than the Survivor series with the thrown together tag matches and the Summerslam with Jon Stewart.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on February 22, 2016, 01:16:22 PM
Some of the in ring work was good, but overall it was a very safe PPV from a booking standpoint. I don't get why they had Jericho kick out of the Styles Clash, and it's really sad what they've done to the Wyatt family.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: ozzy554 on February 22, 2016, 02:17:59 PM
Some of the in ring work was good, but overall it was a very safe PPV from a booking standpoint. I don't get why they had Jericho kick out of the Styles Clash, and it's really sad what they've done to the Wyatt family.

I personally think they are trying to phase the styles clash out which I'm not completely against. When that move goes wrong it's terrifying and can cause massive damage. just ask yoshi tatsu.

With the wyatts im just baffled. They were finally looking dominant again after winning their last couple feuds. Making them lose here makes no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 23, 2016, 01:46:18 AM
An interesting Raw.

The return of Shane McMahon was an unexpected surprise. I don't like the idea of Shane McMahon getting a match with the Undertaker when so many other hard working full time guys got overlooked, but I have a feeling this is intended to leave the door open for Cena to fight in his place if he's healthy. If not, Shane has proven to do some crazy stuff in the past, so being a HIAC, hopefully it could still be ok. But it's a weird dynamic of having Shane as a good guy against Taker.

Dean Ambrose vs Lesnar. FUCKING YES. This is exactly what I wanted. Ambrose in a scrappy street fight against Lesnar. Ambrose won't win, and nor should he against the beast, but he'll take an awesome beating for 15 minutes and put up a good fight. This will be good for both sides.

I look forward to a triple threat women's match at WM with Charlotte, Becky and Sasha. Those NXT girls are all excellent wrestlers and have proven they can do multi person matches very well.

HHH busting Reigns open was awesome. What was that red stuff coming out of Reigns' face?! Won't somebody think of the children! It looked intentional too.

The McMahons setting up a WM match, Ambrose getting taken out in an ambulance only to drive it back himself later, blood; This episode of Raw was brought to you by 1998.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Marion Crane on February 23, 2016, 06:01:16 AM
Byron handed Roman a blood packet.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: BlobVanDam on February 23, 2016, 06:06:20 AM
Lol did he? Checking back, they take the camera off Roman for the entire time he's on the announcer table, so you don't see anything, and I notice his hands are very covered in blood, so that makes sense.
I'm just surprised they went against their no blood policy. I guess HHH can do whatever the hell he wants.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: lordnafaryus on February 23, 2016, 10:39:35 AM
The McMahons setting up a WM match, Ambrose getting taken out in an ambulance only to drive it back himself later, blood; This episode of Raw was brought to you by 1998.

My thoughts exactly! And a car park ambush to boot. Really old-school style episode. I'm not sure if that was Reigns blood or not, but it's still a rare enough occurrence to be shocking either way. There is no doubt at this point that Trips is the babyface of this feud, so are they really planning to end the biggest show of the year with Reigns winning at WM? I just don't see how it could work....

I agree with you on Shane/Taker as well, this might be a stopgap until they can make a final call on Cena's condition, but even so, considering the crowd is obviously gonna get behind the idea of Shane taking control of Raw, are we really supposed to buy Taker as a heel at this point?

Lesnar/Ambrose could be  show stopper, Lesnar hasn't actually been pinned for 3 years so I can't see Ambrose actually winning but it'll be great for him to have such a high profile match guaranteed to have a 'big fight' feel.

Y2AJ? ADORABLE!! Let's see where this goes....
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: cramx3 on February 23, 2016, 11:09:40 AM
Sooo I haven't watched or followed WWE in at least 10 years, maybe more, but I just bought two tickets to WWE Payback in May in NJ.  Because why not?   :lol  I've been to a bunch of events as a kid, Raw, Smackdown, Royal Rumble, Survivor Series, ECW events.... they were always fun so why not try it out now that I am older and can have a beer? (or 10).
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: axeman90210 on February 23, 2016, 12:41:50 PM
I'm trying to figure out how they end up booking this Mania match with Shane. Obviously Shane doesn't go over Taker clean, and what's the point in bringing Shane back just to take a straight loss. My first thought was that some storyline injury happens to Shane before Mania and he gets either Sting or Cena as a stand in. I saw someone pitch the idea this morning that he could bring in the Bullet Club signees and/or some NXT talent to help him. Then you get a Shane/his guys vs Vince, Stephanie and the Authority for a couple months after Mania.
Title: Re: Pro Wrestling Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on February 23, 2016,