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Title: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Nick on July 19, 2013, 07:57:25 AM
Old one: http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=71.0
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 19, 2013, 08:02:09 AM
NEW THREAD I BESEECH YOU
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on July 19, 2013, 08:41:51 AM
One thing I always wanted to ask: why do some forums start new threads after a while, like this?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 19, 2013, 09:09:28 AM
One thing I always wanted to ask: why do some forums start new threads after a while, like this?

Anal retention.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 19, 2013, 10:15:54 AM
Alright, Metallica. AJFA is their best effort. No doubt.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 19, 2013, 01:48:17 PM
Agreed. Justice may be the best thrash album ever.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 19, 2013, 02:35:29 PM
Na, Rust In Peace beats the shit out of Metallica's entire catalogue. That's just the truth.





Okay maybe not really. But RIP is the best thrash album ever.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 03:03:05 PM
Master Of Puppets > > > > And Justice For All.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on July 19, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
Ride The Lightning > other music. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 03:55:59 PM
Other Music = Available.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on July 19, 2013, 05:59:42 PM
NEW THREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD-AH

Ride ze Lightning is the best of them IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 06:16:28 PM
Master beats Ride just by not having Escape on it.

Track by Track :

1. Fight VS Battery ? Even

2. Ride The Lightning VS Master ? Even - Master possibly edges it.

3. Thingy VS Bells. - Thingy wins this one for me

4. Fade VS Sanitarium. Even.

5. Trapped VS Disposable . Disposable easily

6. Escape Vs Leper. Leper easily.

7.Creep VS Orion. Orion wins this for me. Orion beats Ktulu in my book too.

8.Ktulu Vs Damage?  Ktulu possibly.


Additional : Damage VS Creep ? Even.

Ktulu Vs Orion ? Orion for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: carl320 on July 19, 2013, 06:34:34 PM
(Ride = AJFA) > Master

Although I do like getting the bass out and jamming to KEA on occasion  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 06:36:49 PM
I just can't understand how anyone could prefer And Justice For all to Master Of Puppets.

That's just me though  :-\
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 19, 2013, 06:37:16 PM
Metallica was my favorite band until I heard Images & Words. Still love the metal masters though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 19, 2013, 08:05:26 PM
I just can't understand how anyone could prefer And Justice For all to Master Of Puppets.

That's just me though  :-\

Easy. More intricate writing and the darker vibe really appeals to some of us. Also, One is an epic for any occasion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 08:23:20 PM
Intricate writing = songs that outstay their welcome by a considerable margin.

Darker vibe = shit production with horrible sounding guitars.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 19, 2013, 08:26:32 PM
I remember one time when my mom came into my room when I was like 9 and looked at my copy of Load and said something like "oh neat, its a lava lamp" referring to the cover.

I looked her dead in the eye and said "yeah, definitely..."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 19, 2013, 08:31:18 PM
Because you knew what it was at 9 years old.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 19, 2013, 10:37:51 PM
Agreed. Justice may be the best thrash album ever.
Uh yeah, Justice is barely even thrash. And even if it was, there are about 100 thrash albums that I would probably prefer. The mix is hollow and there's like no energy in any of the songs other than Blackened, the second half of One, and Dyer's Eve.

Should we do the whole AJFA prog metal discussion as well while we're all here?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 19, 2013, 11:04:58 PM
Na, Rust In Peace beats the shit out of Metallica's entire catalogue. That's just the truth.





Okay maybe not really. But RIP is the best thrash album ever.

 ???

RIP is not even Megadeth's best album...much less best thrash album.     However...Holy Wars is possibly the best thrash *song* ever written.    But as an album, RIP is pretty spotty.   I personally prefer SFSGSW.   Much more solid album.   Not a weak song in the bunch.

As far as Metallica goes.   

Master = Ride >>> AJFA.

Even the day Justice came out...we (that is, the crowd I hung with) felt that the songwriting had improved...but the production sounded way too polished (seriously lacked the raw energy of the previous two albums) and at the same time, managed to sound way too thin and weak.    There are some amazing tracks...and not every album could be Puppets...but it was a step down.

Of course...thing took SEVERAL more steps back with the next effort.    A Metallica album you could DANCE to?   You have *got* to be kidding me.  :mehlin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on July 19, 2013, 11:34:32 PM
Intricate writing = songs that outstay their welcome by a considerable margin.

Darker vibe = shit production with horrible sounding guitars.
Have to agree here. AJFA is good but has a ton of flaws. One was never my favorite Metallica song, probably wouldn't even make my top ten.

Ride The Lightning is my favorite Metallica album, I really think that was their peak.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on July 19, 2013, 11:39:37 PM
1. Master of Puppets: Track title and Thing That Should Not Be are legendary and superb and are cute.
2. Ride The Lightning==And Justice For All: Extremely good albums that are also cute.
3. Kill Em All: Damned great album
4. Death Magnetic: So good, seriously.
5. Black Album: Pretty good.
6. Load/Reload: Good stuff in there, ranges from mediocre to a few fantastic tracks
7. St. Anger: Sweet Amber is on par for one of the best Metallica songs, the rest is great ideas that go on for too long.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 20, 2013, 01:01:17 AM
RIP is not even Megadeth's best album

It is. Easily. I really love most of their albums, but none of the others come close to RIP. It's just a perfect 10/10 album in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mosh on July 20, 2013, 02:16:24 AM
I dunno, Countdown To Extinction comes pretty close. However, RIP has 3 songs that are better than anything on CTE.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WDADU on July 20, 2013, 02:31:06 AM
...And Justice For All just may be my favourite album of all-time. Come on, that album never lets up. And "To Live is to Die" is just plain fucking beautiful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on July 20, 2013, 02:38:02 AM
(really good)

1. Master of Puppets
2. And Justice For All
3. Ride the Lightning

(good)

4. Load
5. Kill 'Em All

(meh/ok)

6. The Black Album

(awful/horrible)

7. ReLoad
8. St. Anger
9. Death Magnetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WDADU on July 20, 2013, 02:53:22 AM
I actually think Load is better than the Blck aLbum. But, that's just me .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 20, 2013, 03:08:46 AM
IMO there's no way is Load better than The Black Album, although I'll certainly defend Load as not deserving as much hate as it gets.

I consider TBA their best album (for reals). I also think that many of the individual songs on Load are just as good, and as good as anything they've done from any era (Until It Sleeps and Hero of the Day are two of my favourite songs of all time. OF ALL TIME), but as whole albums, Load and Reload both seriously suffer from lack of culling.
As one album, I think Load/Reload could have been excellent (pending tracklist, of course). As two albums, I think it's a collection of some excellent songs padded out with a lot of filler. Load is better than Reload though.

I have started to appreciate Load (and to a lesser extent Reload) a lot more recently, and I do think it gets more hate than it deserves, but it just isn't consistent enough to compare to TBA to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 20, 2013, 03:24:18 AM
So yeah okay

1. Ride the Lightning
2. Master of Puppets
3. Kill 'Em All
4. Death Magnetic
5. ...And Justice For All
6. Reload
7. Metallica
8. Load
9. St. Anger
10. Lolol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 20, 2013, 04:29:03 AM
Load could be really good if about five of the filler songs were left off.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on July 20, 2013, 04:35:05 AM
1. Ride The Lightning
2. Master Of Puppets
3. Metallica
4. And Justice For All
5. Load
6. Kill 'Em All
7. Death Magnetic
8. Reload
9. St Anger
10. Lulu
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 20, 2013, 04:43:05 AM
If all the cool kids are doing it (and Zydar)..........

1. The Black Album
2. And Justice For All (if it didn't have unlistenable balls production)
3. Kill 'Em All
4. Master Of Puppets
5. Load
6. Ride The Lightning
7. Reload
8. Death Magnetic
9. St Anger


More controversially, the only Metallica albums I listen to regularly are Black Album and Load/Reload. I'm not as much into the thrash side any more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 20, 2013, 04:46:28 AM
I don't listen to any of them regularly anymore, but okay:

1. And Justice For All
2. Master Of Puppets
3. Ride The Lightning
4. Black Album
5. Death Magnetic
6. Load
7. Kill Em All
8. Reload
9. Piece Of Shit
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 20, 2013, 06:13:35 AM
I remember I recently listened to AJFA in it's entirety in one go.

Then I stuck on Sad But True from Metallica immediately afterwards.

:lol After listening to AJFA for an hour or so - the difference was just colossal.



( production wise only I mean - Metallica has infinitely superior production values )


My ranking :

1.Master Of Puppets. Best Metallica album and my favourite metal album ever.
2.Metallica. Awesome production and great songs
3.Ride. Would be as good as Master if not for Escape.
4.Load. Hugely under rated.
5.And Justice For All. Long winded and stale but decent songs.
6.Kill Em All. Full of classics. Shame about the recording.
7.Reload. Has some filler but I love it. Has Carpe DIem, Fixxxer and Where The Wild Things Are.
8.Death Magnetic. Again - shame about the recording but has decent songs.
9.St Anger. This is becoming a trend these days with Metallica. Decent songs let down by the recording.

10.Lulu. I don't consider this a Metallica album because it's a collab with Lou Reed. Has some genuinely good moments and nowhere near as awful as people make it out to be. Complaining about the vocals on a Lou Reed album is like complaining about the drumming on a White Stripes record.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 20, 2013, 07:25:31 AM
AJFA would probably be my favorite Metallica album if it had better production.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 20, 2013, 07:34:51 AM
I agree. If it sounded lie either Metallica or Master Of Puppets and some of the songs were trimmed down slightly....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 20, 2013, 08:29:11 AM
Hi guys ;D

1. Ride the Lightning
2. And Justice for All
3. Kill Em All
4. Master of Puppets
5. Metallica
6. Death Magnetic

I haven't listened Load, Reload and St. Anger entirely yet...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 20, 2013, 08:44:02 AM
Because you knew what it was at 9 years old.

Well, my 22 year old uncle who gave me the CD, laughingly explained what it was when he gave it to me. He also laughed his ass off when he also gave me Tool's Ænima and showed me the guy going down on himself.

so yes, I did know what it was.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on July 20, 2013, 09:37:54 AM
I was quite fortunate to not have a creepy uncle.


ESCAPE DEFENSE ACTIVATED.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Escape. I'll never understand the hate. It has great verse and chorus melodies, and is just killer all around. I wonder if Jon Schaffer likes the song...

Anyway, rankings:

Ride The Lightning
...And Justice For All
Master of Puppets
Metallica
Kill 'Em All.


Diarrhea






The rest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 20, 2013, 10:16:57 AM
I'm very old school when it comes to "the big four"....   And I hate people from other generations (for instance those people that only listen to classic rock) that do this, but I guess I understand how they feel.    Every single one of them lost a step entering the 90's.   Maybe that's why I started listening to college stuff.  It seemed more honest than what thrash had become.    I only really love Megadeth's first four albums....RIP was a step down from SFSGSW IMO...and then the wheels just completely fell of with CtE...which was just unlistenable to me.   Anthrax was one of the more consistent bands.   Their first three albums were dynamite...then they maybe did the "comic book humor" angle a bit too much for SoE, but it was still a good album.  But after that they came out with their two *best albums* in PoT and SoWN.  (if Metallica and Megadeth wanted a change of direction, they would have been better off going heavier).    Slayer was definitely the most consistent of the big four.   But it also never really went anywhere.   They kinda tried the nu-metal thing for one album, so I at least have to give them credit for trying.   But they were really a "one trick pony".   But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

My Metallica rankings:

1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. Kill 'em All
4. ...And Justice for All




5. Death Magnetic
6. St. Anger (I actually like SA quite a bit.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  SA was to TBA what a snarling angry rabid junkyard dog is to Paris Hilton's chihuahua.)



7. Metallica
8. Load/Reload
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: carl320 on July 20, 2013, 11:24:39 AM

10.Lulu. I don't consider this a Metallica album because it's a collab with Lou Reed. Has some genuinely good moments and nowhere near as awful as people make it out to be. Complaining about the vocals on a Lou Reed album is like complaining about the drumming on a White Stripes record.

This.  I haven't listened to much of this album, but from what I've heard it's more a Lou Reed album that happens to have Metallica as the backing band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 20, 2013, 11:37:03 AM
That's what it is. Lou wrote all the lyrics and vocal melodies and even had a lot of the music already written. Metallica just beefed it up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 20, 2013, 11:39:49 AM

6. St. Anger (I actually like SA quite a bit.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  SA was to TBA what a snarling angry rabid junkyard dog is to Paris Hilton's chihuahua.)


I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD. It's not for long term listening but every now and then it's perfect listening for shitty moods.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on July 20, 2013, 01:33:27 PM
Master (my #3 album all-time)
Lightning (#16)
Justice (#48)
Metallica
Kill 'em All
Load
Death
Reload
St Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on July 20, 2013, 04:36:46 PM
Album rankings?  Alright.

Ride the Lightning
Load (No, I'm not kidding)
Master of Puppets
Metallica
... And Justice For All
Kill 'Em All
Death Magnetic
Reload
St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 21, 2013, 03:01:39 AM
Lou wrote all the lyrics and vocal melodies

wat
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 21, 2013, 04:14:47 AM
Lou wrote all the lyrics and vocal melodies

wat
Yeah, what vocal melodies? All I can here is a goat moaning while James is fucking up whatever's left of his vocal cords again, like he did with So What in the early nineties. "I AM THE TABLE!"  is possibly the funniest line on any album Metallica have made or appeared on though.


Ranking:

1. Master of Puppets
2. ...And Justice For All
3. Black Album
4. Ride the Lightning
5. Load/Death Magnetic
6. Kill 'Em All
7. St. Anger
8. ReLoad

MoP and AFJA are really close, but AFJA has production that's absolutely rubbish, and Orion > TLITD and Damage, Inc > Dyers Eve. Load and Death Magnetic are equally good IMO. Kill 'Em All is great but isn't as mature as anything ranked above it. St. Anger is also great but it definitely has some flaws: production, the ugly snare sound, and most of the songs could've been a bit better. ReLoad is just a pale shadow of Load, with only a few good/great songs and a lot of songs that I don't care about.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on July 21, 2013, 04:28:50 AM
My list is a little unusual, to say the least.

Black
Death Magnetic

Ride The Lightning
Master of Puppets

Reload
Kill 'em All
...And Justice For All
Load

St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 05:38:13 AM
LOL I AM TEH TABLEEEEEEE !!! OLOLOL

This joke has been beaten to death because people can't be bothered to find out the meaning behind the lyrics.










* However - at least the lyric isn't I AM THE POOF " :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 21, 2013, 05:48:01 AM
1. Black Album
2. Master of Puppets
3. Kill 'Em All
4. ...And Justice For All
5. Ride the Lightning
6. ReLoad
7. Load


9. Death Magnetic
10. St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 21, 2013, 06:37:13 AM
I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.

Well said, buddie. Just listened to St. Anger in full for the first time in a while. Really good album. And I gotta say it's got Het's best vocal performance.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 21, 2013, 07:26:45 AM
I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.

Well said, buddie. Just listened to St. Anger in full for the first time in a while. Really good album. And I gotta say it's got Het's best vocal performance.
Yeah, definitely!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 21, 2013, 08:00:59 AM
It's also pretty solid lyrically.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 08:18:16 AM
I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.

Well said, buddie. Just listened to St. Anger in full for the first time in a while. Really good album. And I gotta say it's got Het's best vocal performance.
Yeah, definitely!

It's probably his most dynamic range on an album as far as singing, screaming and growling go but he does veer out of tune on many occasions. It does add to the whole vibe of it being spontaneous and raw though.

However - for best vocals on a CD i think Load takes the crown.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on July 21, 2013, 08:25:27 AM
I'm very old school when it comes to "the big four"....   And I hate people from other generations (for instance those people that only listen to classic rock) that do this, but I guess I understand how they feel.    Every single one of them lost a step entering the 90's.   Maybe that's why I started listening to college stuff.  It seemed more honest than what thrash had become.    I only really love Megadeth's first four albums....RIP was a step down from SFSGSW IMO...and then the wheels just completely fell of with CtE...which was just unlistenable to me.   Anthrax was one of the more consistent bands.   Their first three albums were dynamite...then they maybe did the "comic book humor" angle a bit too much for SoE, but it was still a good album.  But after that they came out with their two *best albums* in PoT and SoWN.  (if Metallica and Megadeth wanted a change of direction, they would have been better off going heavier).    Slayer was definitely the most consistent of the big four.   But it also never really went anywhere.   They kinda tried the nu-metal thing for one album, so I at least have to give them credit for trying.   But they were really a "one trick pony".   But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

My Metallica rankings:

1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. Kill 'em All
4. ...And Justice for All




5. Death Magnetic
6. St. Anger (I actually like SA quite a bit.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  SA was to TBA what a snarling angry rabid junkyard dog is to Paris Hilton's chihuahua.)



7. Metallica
8. Load/Reload

I agree with a lot of what you say. Great to see the love for SFSGSW, an incredible album, but you've got to give RiP its due.

My rankings:

Kill 'Em All
Justice
Master Of Puppets
Death Magnetic
Ride The Lightning
The Black Album
Load
St. Anger
ReLoad


Have they really only made 9 albums? I over 30 years?? That sucks!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 21, 2013, 08:29:35 AM
I love how pissed off St Anger is . And it's not fake. It's pure aggression and frustration on a CD.

Well said, buddie. Just listened to St. Anger in full for the first time in a while. Really good album. And I gotta say it's got Het's best vocal performance.
Yeah, definitely!

It's probably his most dynamic range on an album as far as singing, screaming and growling go but he does veer out of tune on many occasions. It does add to the whole vibe of it being spontaneous and raw though.

However - for best vocals on a CD i think Load takes the crown.

I think I'd agree with you on Load. His vocals are very melodic, and powerful and emotional on Load. That extends to some of Reload too, although Reload doesn't have as much of the good material on it imo.
The other contender for best Hetfield vocals would be The Black Album. He's singing actual melodies, and started layering vocals more, and still had the growly grit of the thrash era.

I don't agree on St Anger's vocals though. A lot of those vocals just make me wince. Too raw for my liking, with his voice cracking and breaking up and pitchy in many places. I get that's what they were going for, I just didn't like it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 21, 2013, 08:41:04 AM
Funny thing is I rarely care for the "raw" sound of bands and I love guitar solos.

Any way. Time to rank 'em all.

1. Master
2. Magnetic
3. Justice
4. Anger
5. Lightning
6. Load/Reload
7. Black
8. Kill
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2013, 08:49:08 AM
Whenever someone likes Death Magnetic, I die a little on the inside.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 21, 2013, 08:52:03 AM
Whenever someone likes Death Magnetic, I die a little on the inside.

Eh, even though it's a cheap imitation of their glory days, and the drumming and lead guitars are pretty bad, it's not St Anger levels of bad. I wouldn't put it in the ballpark of the first 5 albums though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 21, 2013, 09:11:00 AM
Quote from: Metallica haters before 2008.
Metallica should make music like their first 4 albums.

Quote from: Metallica haters after 2008.
Metallica is trying too hard to recapture former glory by ripping themselves off.

Don't seem like they can win.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Moor on July 21, 2013, 09:37:48 AM
AJFA would probably be my favorite Metallica album if it had better production.

This. Jason Newsted was kept outside the studio  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on July 21, 2013, 09:46:31 AM
I think Load/ReLoad are both the kind of albums I appreciate because the band did what they wanted to do themselves, and even though you can argue about the result (I don't think Load is better than any of RTL, MoP or AJFA), it was still a good release, and the band did what they wanted to do. With Death Magnetic, personally I felt like it just lacked any energy or creativity. It basically felt like the band forced themselves into the studio to make a record tailor made after what the fans requested, with no real interest in going down that road again. Whatever they said themselves, Death Magnetic to me feels a bit like when a director is almost forced to come back to a movie-franchise he has no interest in continuing, so the result is just something to "get it over with" and shut people up.

And at least Load and Reload had variety and were different. Death Magnetic is pretty much a carbon copy of the classic albums, except it is 50 times worse.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 21, 2013, 09:51:25 AM
I think Load/ReLoad are both the kind of albums I appreciate because the band did what they wanted to do themselves, and even though you can argue about the result (I don't think Load is better than any of RTL, MoP or AJFA), it was still a good release, and the band did what they wanted to do. With Death Magnetic, personally I felt like it just lacked any energy or creativity. It basically felt like the band forced themselves into the studio to make a record tailor made after what the fans requested, with no real interest in going down that road again. Whatever they said themselves, Death Magnetic to me feels a bit like when a director is almost forced to come back to a movie-franchise he has no interest in continuing, so the result is just something to "get it over with" and shut people up.

And at least Load and Reload had variety and were different. Death Magnetic is pretty much a carbon copy of the classic albums, except it is 50 times worse.

I can't really disagree with any of that, although I still felt the result of Death Magnetic was overall ok. The biggest problem was forcing the song lengths to be long JUST LIKE JUSTICE-AHHHH, except Lars and Kirk can't pull off instrumental sections at all anymore, and they sound like they're about to fall apart at any moment.
But a lot of the general songwriting is alright imo. The whole approach was very forced though, and I'd rather they just evolve to do whatever suits them now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 21, 2013, 10:19:00 AM
Yeah god forbid anybody "try hard."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on July 21, 2013, 10:20:07 AM
Master of Puppets is one of my favourite metal albums ever. I'm not a fan of thrash metal, the only real contender for the best thrash album ever is Arise by Sepultura.

Ranks:
1. Master of Puppets (pretty much perfect)
2. Load (I don't dislike any songs, + two epic tracks, Bleeding Me and The Outlaw Torn)
3. ...And Justice For All (aside production, a good album)
4. Metallica (I used to love it, but some songs just didn't bear the time)
5. ReLoad (not bad, some great tracks, but some fillers)
6. Ride the Lightning (don't like the production, and there are some songs I don't care about (Fight Fire, Bells, Trapped))
7. Death Magnetic (not bad either, but too long)

I haven't heard Metal Militia, so I left KEA out. It would be between ReLoad and RTL. And I haven't heard St.Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 21, 2013, 10:57:38 AM
Lightning
Puppets
Justice

Death
Kill'em
Black

Load / Reload (they aren't bad... just haven't listened really much)

LouLou
St Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: FourthHorseman on July 21, 2013, 10:58:39 AM
Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning, and ...And Justice For All should be the top three (no particular order) for everyone.

But that's just my opinion..
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 12:16:12 PM
Justice would probably be in my top 3 if the production wasn't dreadful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 12:26:16 PM
Yeah god forbid anybody "try hard."


I think Death magnetic went beyond trying too hard and into the realms of beating an idea to death until the initial spark which made it great was unrecognisable.

[ if you listen to "Demo Magnetic" - you'll hear that some of the songs were much better in demo form than on the final CD ]


They over analyse way too much and if you've been in a  band - you should know that the initial version of an idea is usually the best and if you force something to fit then it invariably ends up sounding weak and forced.

The best songs are the ones that seem to write themselves and are formed from pure inspiration - not hammered into some kind of usable shape over months and months.

Metallica just need to be more spontaneous in the studio and not re-work and re-work and re-work ideas until they're stale.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 21, 2013, 03:51:46 PM
[if you listen to "Demo Magnetic" - you'll hear that some of the songs were much better in demo form than on the final CD]
I never paid much attention to Demo Magnetic, but as a result of your comment I listened to bits of songs from it and found that for example BB&S is much better on Demo Magnetic than on the final CD. Wow, that's cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 05:41:49 PM
The demo for All Nightmare Long has WAY more groove than the final version.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: carl320 on July 21, 2013, 06:12:07 PM
I listened to most of Demo magnetic and was glad that I didn't feel like I had to turn the volume down.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 21, 2013, 06:37:17 PM
I listened to most of Demo magnetic and was glad that I didn't feel like I had to turn the volume down.

Because the songs are better :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 21, 2013, 07:12:46 PM
1. MoP
2. AJFA
3. RTL
4. S/T
5. ReL
6. Load
7. DM
8. Kill
9. St. A
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: WebRaider on July 21, 2013, 07:20:08 PM
And Justice For All is one of my favorite albums of all time and is my favorite Metallica album. RTL and MOP are right there with it but I just prefer AJFA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on July 21, 2013, 07:42:39 PM
I'm very old school when it comes to "the big four"....   And I hate people from other generations (for instance those people that only listen to classic rock) that do this, but I guess I understand how they feel.    Every single one of them lost a step entering the 90's.   Maybe that's why I started listening to college stuff.  It seemed more honest than what thrash had become.    I only really love Megadeth's first four albums....RIP was a step down from SFSGSW IMO...and then the wheels just completely fell of with CtE...which was just unlistenable to me.   Anthrax was one of the more consistent bands.   Their first three albums were dynamite...then they maybe did the "comic book humor" angle a bit too much for SoE, but it was still a good album.  But after that they came out with their two *best albums* in PoT and SoWN.  (if Metallica and Megadeth wanted a change of direction, they would have been better off going heavier).    Slayer was definitely the most consistent of the big four.   But it also never really went anywhere.   They kinda tried the nu-metal thing for one album, so I at least have to give them credit for trying.   But they were really a "one trick pony".   But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
It's funny, I pretty much agree with all of this now, but felt pretty differently at the time. I listened to SFSGSW a couple of weeks ago and still think it's their best album. Pretty much the only one I listen to anymore. Thought it week when it first came out. PoT and SoWN are the only Anthrax albums I still listen to, despite StD being a seminal album for me growing up. Side two of AtL is pretty solid, as well. Can't stand The Black Album, and while I like Lode and ReLoad a good deal, it's pretty much a different band altogether for me. Slayer just became to samey for me. Everything up to SitA is great. After that I couldn't tell you one album from another.

As for Metallica, the one thing I want to know is WTF they haven't released a remastered AJFA yet.

And just to annoy the youngsters here in the new thread:
(http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo299/000jesus/hetfield.gif?t=1249672620)
(http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo299/000jesus/burton.gif?t=1249672530)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 21, 2013, 08:09:41 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ya...I officially hate you now.   :angel:  (j/k my friend)

I had tickets to see Metallica open for Ozzy in Seattle in July of '86.   My friends and I had heard that Ozzy was getting booed off the stage by Metallica fans, and we didn't dig "The Ultimate Sin" at all...or the hairspray look he had adopted, so we were going to go to the show and join the fun and hope we could get a few extra songs from our new favorite band....

Ozzy cancelled the show.   The official reason was "laryngitis", but I have my doubts.   The rumors were that Metallica fans were dominating the shows, and the backlash against the glam movement was beginning.   In any event, I know that we were not the only show that was mysteriously cancelled on that tour.

That would have been the last time anyone in Seattle would have seen Cliff alive.    He was killed just two months later.    Our only consolation was that they came back to make up for it...only this time they were HEADLINING.    (and I don't care what James said about GnR opening up the way to sell out arenas....that's complete BS.   They sold out the arena in Seattle in Dec '86!!)

I was at that show.   Metal Church opened, and it was about Jason's 12th(?) show.    Fantastic show.   Great times.   Still probably the greatest Metallica show I ever saw.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on July 21, 2013, 08:34:33 PM
Don't recall ever seeing Metal Church open for them (although my memory of that era is spotty, at best). I did see John Marshall play rhythm guitar for Metallica on two different occasions, though. Of all of the bands I've seen over the years, Metallica is where I always wind up with the most interesting stories.

Aside from those two shows, I spent all of the first Dallas Justice show at the barricade. Newstead gave me beer during the first beer break. During the second beer break I reached for another and he kicked my hand and said "don't be greedy!" He did give me a pick later, though.

During a later Summer Sanitarium gig, Hetfiled wasn't even in the country. They had a variety of guest singers come out, and Kid Rock's midget was running around the whole show screaming "yeah motherfucker!" in that little midget voice of his. Immediately after that stadium tour, as in 2 days after, they played two makeup gigs in Dallas and packed every single piece of their stadium rig under the shed at Starplex, and everything that couldn't fit went out on the lawn facing back in. Only show I've ever been to that was too loud for me. During One, the explosions would go off, and they were completely silent because the prerecorded gunfire and helicopter noise totally drowned them out. About halfway through I went out to the lawn for a while, and even that was so loud I went to the outer concourse for a couple of songs. Ears rang for 10 days after that. I was on the floor during the Theater of Pain Tour when Motley Crue claimed to break the world record for SPL at a rock concert, and that didn't come close to what Metallica did in an outdoor venue; not by a longshot.

Got to see another Sanitarium tour from on stage a few years later. During Fuel and Nothing Else Matters my host took me back to sit behind the drum riser. I'd been over in the VIP section where things were relatively calm, and he called me over just as Fuel started up, and they had flames erupting all over the stage like the inside of a V8. People are walking around like it's just no big deal at all, and I'm hunched down covering my head like the world's on fire. My host tells me "now don't move--anywhere!" Yeah, no shit.  :lol

There's actually a small, onstage dressing room immediately behind the drum kit where they can go for water, or to tend to their monitors and such, and they had a Make A Wish dying kid in there who got to see the whole show from 3' behind Ulrich. Thought that was pretty nice of them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 21, 2013, 09:03:06 PM
As for Metallica, the one thing I want to know is WTF they haven't released a remastered AJFA yet.

it's been remastered many times, they just don't advertise it. for instance, the label reissued all the albums for a Japanese release a few years ago (i think they were mini-LP sleeve replicas, or another one of those garbage cash grab sort of things) and they were all remastered to be approximately as brickwalled as St. Anger — it sounds awful, especially AJFA.

i'm pretty sure they've just been remastering the exact same needle drop used to press the first CD editions of the first four albums, too, which doesn't help anything.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on July 21, 2013, 09:49:34 PM
There is supposed to be one Japanese import that stands out above the others, but even that's supposedly halfassed. The annoying thing is that it wouldn't take much effort for them to do it right. Hell, amateurs are doing mixes of the first two tracks from Rock Band that sound better than any official release.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 22, 2013, 03:27:43 AM
What AJFA really needs is a remix, not a remaster.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 05:25:38 AM
What AJFA really needs is a remix, not a remaster.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 22, 2013, 07:24:29 AM
What AJFA really needs is a remix, not a remaster.

That, although it would certainly need a better mastering to boot, because it's wonked in both.

The remixes people have done from the GH stems sound a ton better, although still a bit amateurish, and not the whole album. I would kill for a good version of that album, because the bass adds a lot. It's not just doubling the guitars.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 22, 2013, 08:20:56 AM
Metallica just need to be more spontaneous in the studio and not re-work and re-work and re-work ideas until they're stale.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2f/Metallica_-_St._Anger_cover.jpg/220px-Metallica_-_St._Anger_cover.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 09:30:50 AM
 :facepalm: I FUCKING hate when people "disprove" your argument by presenting the WORST CASE SCENARIO.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 22, 2013, 11:10:56 AM
Oh Lars...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCAq9LmySnY
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 22, 2013, 11:22:44 AM
Oh Lars...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCAq9LmySnY
Oh Kirk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Marion Crane on July 22, 2013, 11:25:33 AM
1. Load
2. MoP
3. Lightning
4. Black Album
5. Reload
6. Justice
7. DM
8. Kill
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 22, 2013, 12:51:02 PM
Oh Lars...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCAq9LmySnY
Wow.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 01:11:47 PM

Oh Kirk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw

I knew it would be that clip.

Sometimes rhythms take a while to get into your brain. If it's a weird pattern that doesn't accent in the logical places then it can be really confusing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 22, 2013, 01:16:13 PM

Oh Kirk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546KjKMB9kw

I knew it would be that clip.

Sometimes rhythms take a while to get into your brain. If it's a weird pattern that doesn't accent in the logical places then it can be really confusing.
Yeah, I think we already discussed that clip some time (well, a lot of time) ago in the previous thread.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: FourthHorseman on July 22, 2013, 02:12:25 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 22, 2013, 05:05:11 PM
Pantera was certainly a double agent in that war :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 06:12:29 PM
Let us be thankful that Het never fucked his voice up as badly as Phil Anselmo has.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 22, 2013, 08:04:01 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal

Not to forget:

Raven
Overkill
Testament
Fates Warning
Exodus
Voivod
Kreator
Destruction
Sodom
Venom
Exciter
Dark Angel
Death
Nuclear Assault
Flotsam and Jetsam
Hirax
Sacred Reich
Trouble
Candlemass
Hallow's Eve
S.O.D
M.O.D
and Vio-Lence

Good times....   :angel:

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2013, 08:08:54 PM
I don't yet have Reload or St. Anger, but figured I'd go ahead and post my list and create some controversy now.

1. Ride the Lightning - Perfect fusion of energy and melody. Not a single bad song (Escape is awesome go away), and Ktulu, Fade and Bellz are all among their best.
2. Death Magnetic - Combines the technicality of the 80s releases with maturity. Again, no bad songs (My Apocalypse is awesome go away) and The End of the Line, The Day that Never Comes and The Unforgiven III (really) are favorites. Production sucks but there are... alternatives.
3. …And Justice For All - The production is bad and Eye of the Beholder really isn't that special, but One and To Live Is To Die are top-notch for the band.
4. Load - The Black Album is more consistent, but this one has higher highs with Bleeding Me and The Outlaw Torn, which are both among the band's best. Poor Twisted Me and Wasting My Hate didn't really need to happen, though.
5. The Black Album - It is what it is. 12 excellent songs. I love Nothing Else Matters regardless of how often it's played and The Unforgiven through NEM is a GREAT run.
6. Master of Puppets - Sue me. Puppets has Thingy, Sanitarium and Orion going for it, but… Where did the melody go? Ride was a clinic in how to do a very heavy style of music with some great melody, and aside from Orion, this album almost entirely lacks in it.
7. Kill 'Em All - There was a time when I swore THIS was my favorite of theirs. But that was my (fortunately brief) "Only tr00 metal" period. Kill shows promise and you can definitely see Ride and Justice and all the other greats in this album, but it is not nearly at their level. The outright juvenile lyrics also grate.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: carl320 on July 22, 2013, 08:14:16 PM
I do like the Unforgivens.  I actually prefer II to I and III is pretty good as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 08:34:59 PM
II is the best themforgivens  :metal

III should have been left off Death Magnetic and they should have worked a bit harder on Just A Bullet Away
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on July 22, 2013, 08:36:45 PM
I think if anything from Beyond Magnetic should have made the album, it should have been Rebel of Babylon. But the 10 songs on the album are the 10 best of that 14, I think. Just barely.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 08:38:14 PM
At least DM gave us All Nightmare Long & That Was Just Your Life. Two future Metallica classics. Cyanide was a very good intro to the album too.

Although I can't recall if they debuted Cyanide live before or after they released The Day That Never Comes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on July 22, 2013, 08:41:22 PM
Personally, I've come to really like Unforgiven III.  It's not nearly as good as the other Unforgivens, but it's good enough that I would rather have it than anything from Beyond Magnetic. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on July 22, 2013, 08:41:54 PM
Unforgiven III is my favorite.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 22, 2013, 09:03:35 PM
Unforgiven III is by FAR my least favourite song on Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 22, 2013, 10:56:52 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal

Your memory has a strange way of warping history.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 23, 2013, 01:05:44 AM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Wait....what? All those bands existed during the 80s. You should take a listen to Panteras first release. The glam scene basically dried out in the early 90s and it was pretty easy for the grunge scene to kill it last breath but they basically also in the process strangeld the metal scene to become an underground movement which of course as you say helped build a new generation of metal acts. There are/will of course always be exceptions to the rule.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on July 23, 2013, 02:15:19 PM
Have they really only made 9 albums? I over 30 years?? That sucks!!

#stillbetterthantool
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 23, 2013, 05:51:55 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Uh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 23, 2013, 06:20:48 PM
Have they really only made 9 albums? I over 30 years?? That sucks!!

#stillbetterthantool

Not a hard feat.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: FourthHorseman on July 24, 2013, 01:05:13 AM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Uh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.

By the time Master of Puppets and AJFA thrash was far more than "underground" and although it is obvious that grunge had a lot to do with the decline in popularity of glam/hair metal, I argue that thrash metal played a part. I know several people who were huge glam metal fans but started to like thrash/groove/death metal as the sub-genres became more relevant.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 24, 2013, 09:25:15 AM
Metallica is still one of my favorite bands and always will be one my favorite bands. I listened to MOP and AJFA yesterday and yeah, the magic is still there. I can't imagine myself getting tired of listening to Orion, what a friggin' nice song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 24, 2013, 04:48:37 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Uh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.

By the time Master of Puppets and AJFA thrash was far more than "underground" and although it is obvious that grunge had a lot to do with the decline in popularity of glam/hair metal, I argue that thrash metal played a part. I know several people who were huge glam metal fans but started to like thrash/groove/death metal as the sub-genres became more relevant.

Thrash was the pushback against glam from the start.    Both trends were getting started in the early 80's....but as the heroes of the 70's (Judas Priest with Turbo, Ozzy with The Ultimate Sin, Iron Maiden withe SiT, Whitesnake with S/T...etc) began to follow the more commercial trend that glam offered through the mid-80s, more and more of the hard core fans began to jump ship and investigate thrash more. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 24, 2013, 10:00:17 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Uh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.

By the time Master of Puppets and AJFA thrash was far more than "underground" and although it is obvious that grunge had a lot to do with the decline in popularity of glam/hair metal, I argue that thrash metal played a part. I know several people who were huge glam metal fans but started to like thrash/groove/death metal as the sub-genres became more relevant.

Thrash was the pushback against glam from the start.    Both trends were getting started in the early 80's....but as the heroes of the 70's (Judas Priest with Turbo, Ozzy with The Ultimate Sin, Iron Maiden withe SiT, Whitesnake with S/T...etc) began to follow the more commercial trend that glam offered through the mid-80s, more and more of the hard core fans began to jump ship and investigate thrash more. 

Whitesnake's S/T is by far their most popular / well known album to this day, and they only did one album after that before they stopped and grunge set in. Ozzy Osbourne remained popular throughout the '80s, with all of those albums going multi-platinum.
I don't see any correlation between glam and thrash, or any real evidence that people were jumping from glam to thrash. They're entirely different genres. The only trend I see is grunge becoming popular, which had an impact on most rock/metal, including glam and thrash.

Sometimes I wonder if DTF is using bizarro-wikipedia or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 25, 2013, 12:21:28 AM
Or Uncyclopedia.


Their article on Alliteration  has to be seen :lol

Every single word in the entire article begins with the letter A. :lol

Outstanding. http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Alliteration
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 25, 2013, 04:27:52 AM
Yeah, I don't understand this thrash/glam discussion at all. Sure, the bands probably weren't fans of each other, but neither side ever "killed" the other side. Grunge killed them both at the same time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on July 25, 2013, 05:56:04 AM
Looks like Metallica's next album will be called "Revisionist History"?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 25, 2013, 06:50:53 AM
Yeah, I don't understand this thrash/glam discussion at all. Sure, the bands probably weren't fans of each other, but neither side ever "killed" the other side. Grunge killed them both at the same time.
Thrash bands seemed to have a much higher rate of survival than glam bands though.

And glam killed itself, too many bands, too much over-saturation for too long a time, grunge just gave it that final, little push to send it careening down the stairs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 25, 2013, 07:15:17 AM
The record labels and MTV killed glam.

Fixed that one there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 25, 2013, 04:17:51 PM
Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Pantera killing the glam metal movement is one of my favorite parts in music history  :metal
Uh, yeah. Thrash and glam existed in the same time period. Like it or not, glam was always more popular. Thrash was always the underground scene. And Pantera was a glam band through and through during the heyday of the big 4, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.

By the time Master of Puppets and AJFA thrash was far more than "underground" and although it is obvious that grunge had a lot to do with the decline in popularity of glam/hair metal, I argue that thrash metal played a part. I know several people who were huge glam metal fans but started to like thrash/groove/death metal as the sub-genres became more relevant.

Thrash was the pushback against glam from the start.    Both trends were getting started in the early 80's....but as the heroes of the 70's (Judas Priest with Turbo, Ozzy with The Ultimate Sin, Iron Maiden withe SiT, Whitesnake with S/T...etc) began to follow the more commercial trend that glam offered through the mid-80s, more and more of the hard core fans began to jump ship and investigate thrash more. 

Whitesnake's S/T is by far their most popular / well known album to this day, and they only did one album after that before they stopped and grunge set in. Ozzy Osbourne remained popular throughout the '80s, with all of those albums going multi-platinum.
I don't see any correlation between glam and thrash, or any real evidence that people were jumping from glam to thrash. They're entirely different genres. The only trend I see is grunge becoming popular, which had an impact on most rock/metal, including glam and thrash.

Sometimes I wonder if DTF is using bizarro-wikipedia or something.

I was just part of the crowd, at the concerts, listening to fans, talking to people....hearing them talk about how pissed they were that the bands they loved just a few years ago had "pussed out" on them.    Many of the people I talked to were between the ages of 14 and 18...and were expressing a feeling of betrayal. 

I wasn't following sales...I was in the audience, listening to the bands, and my peers. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on July 25, 2013, 05:41:14 PM
Okay boys and girls, sit down. Let Uncle Jaq tell you a story.

No, not one of those, Kev, hush.

See, it's like this.

The notion that the 80s was all "scenes" and people abandoned subgenre x for the purity of subgenre y? Is totally an invention of the post-80s explosion of subgenres. Oh, sure, you had elitists back then that insisted that certain bands were better, or more "true", or more whatever, but in the 80s? We were heavy metal fans. The stark delineations of "glam" and "thrash" and all that which people insist was a thing? Didn't happen. You could have in your collection Poison's Look What The Cat Dragged In, the first Vinnie Vincent Invasion album, Diamond Head's Lightning to the Nations, Master of Puppets, and Quiet Riot's Metal Health, and people wouldn't even bat an eye at you.

I know, because I owned every one of those albums.

Yeah, back then you had people who liked a band and thought people who liked other bands were poseurs and wimps and whatnot. That's never going to change. But back in 1987, every metal head I knew-every fucking one of them-liked Whitesnake's self titled, and not just for the videos. The war between thrash and glam was largely created after the fact by a few journalists and guys in bands trying to overstate the importance of their legacies. Truth was, in the actual world of metal, you could and did like both Slayer and Ratt.

Thrash had nothing to do with killing glam metal, for what it's worth. For one thing, the number of thrash bands with legitimate, chart topping success could be counted on your fingers. The reason why the Big Four was the Big Four? They were successful. For another, the supposed death of glam by grunge was simply record labels finally finding something else to move on to. Glam as a commercial force largely was spent by 1990, with only a few bands having the success of the bands in the mid-80s. Grunge finally gave them an excuse to jettison the dozens of big hair metallers that hadn't been making them money. The writing was on the wall for Glam by 1990, it just took the labels two years to see it.

Trust me, guys. I was there. Anyone who was there and says different is a minority. Metal really was different back then. And oddly enough, far more open minded.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on July 25, 2013, 05:51:54 PM
Okay boys and girls, sit down. Let Uncle Jaq tell you a story.

No, not one of those, Kev, hush.

See, it's like this.

The notion that the 80s was all "scenes" and people abandoned subgenre x for the purity of subgenre y? Is totally an invention of the post-80s explosion of subgenres. Oh, sure, you had elitists back then that insisted that certain bands were better, or more "true", or more whatever, but in the 80s? We were heavy metal fans. The stark delineations of "glam" and "thrash" and all that which people insist was a thing? Didn't happen. You could have in your collection Poison's Look What The Cat Dragged In, the first Vinnie Vincent Invasion album, Diamond Head's Lightning to the Nations, Master of Puppets, and Quiet Riot's Metal Health, and people wouldn't even bat an eye at you.

I know, because I owned every one of those albums.

Yeah, back then you had people who liked a band and thought people who liked other bands were poseurs and wimps and whatnot. That's never going to change. But back in 1987, every metal head I knew-every fucking one of them-liked Whitesnake's self titled, and not just for the videos. The war between thrash and glam was largely created after the fact by a few journalists and guys in bands trying to overstate the importance of their legacies. Truth was, in the actual world of metal, you could and did like both Slayer and Ratt.

Thrash had nothing to do with killing glam metal, for what it's worth. For one thing, the number of thrash bands with legitimate, chart topping success could be counted on your fingers. The reason why the Big Four was the Big Four? They were successful. For another, the supposed death of glam by grunge was simply record labels finally finding something else to move on to. Glam as a commercial force largely was spent by 1990, with only a few bands having the success of the bands in the mid-80s. Grunge finally gave them an excuse to jettison the dozens of big hair metallers that hadn't been making them money. The writing was on the wall for Glam by 1990, it just took the labels two years to see it.

Trust me, guys. I was there. Anyone who was there and says different is a minority. Metal really was different back then. And oddly enough, far more open minded.

I'm not worked up...I'm just stating what I lived through from 1983-1988.  (I was born in late '69...so I'm talking about the time in my life from 13-18).   I knew guys who were actively *pissed* at Iron Maiden for introducing synths on SiT.     This isn't something I invented in retrospect...I'm talking about my memories *of that time*. 

Heck, I remember being at a Celtic Frost show, and many people there were talking about how Metallica was *already* selling out with Puppets....I disagreed...but the fans who felt that way were out there. 

I didn't like IM introducing synths at first...but SSoaSS was amazing...and I couldn't find ANYONE to agree with me.   Why?  Everyone was still pissed about the synths. 

I knew people who loved "glam" and a few people who loved "thrash"...I personally didn't see a lot of line crossing...but there were a few exceptions. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on July 25, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
So today is the 30th anniversary of the release of Kill Em All :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 25, 2013, 06:16:13 PM
Looks like Metallica's next album will be called "Revisionist History"?


That's why they're Stalin :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 26, 2013, 07:50:23 PM
The band's manager Peter Mensch did an AMA.

A couple of titbits :

1.) He says the band are not allowed to tour next year and have to deliver a new album.

2.) He says he and Cliff Bernstein aren't fans of the loudness wars and states " certain people habitually brickwall their albums. We don't like that. "

Could this be a clue that Rick Rubin is NOT set to produce Metallica 10 ?

Anyway - a couple of interesting and promising little vignettes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 26, 2013, 07:56:58 PM
The band's manager Peter Mensch did an AMA.

A couple of titbits :

1.) He says the band are not allowed to tour next year and have to deliver a new album.

2.) He says he and Cliff Bernstein aren't fans of the loudness wars and states " certain people habitually brickwall their albums. We don't like that. "

Could this be a clue that Rick Rubin is NOT set to produce Metallica 10 ?

Anyway - a couple of interesting and promising little vignettes.


NICE
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on July 27, 2013, 02:59:40 AM
The band's manager Peter Mensch did an AMA.

A couple of titbits :

1.) He says the band are not allowed to tour next year and have to deliver a new album.

2.) He says he and Cliff Bernstein aren't fans of the loudness wars and states " certain people habitually brickwall their albums. We don't like that. "

Could this be a clue that Rick Rubin is NOT set to produce Metallica 10 ?

Anyway - a couple of interesting and promising little vignettes.


NICE
This!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 27, 2013, 07:46:37 AM
The band's manager Peter Mensch did an AMA.

A couple of titbits :

1.) He says the band are not allowed to tour next year and have to deliver a new album.

2.) He says he and Cliff Bernstein aren't fans of the loudness wars and states " certain people habitually brickwall their albums. We don't like that. "

Could this be a clue that Rick Rubin is NOT set to produce Metallica 10 ?

Anyway - a couple of interesting and promising little vignettes.

I don't think my expectations for the upcoming album will be very high, but I'll definitely check it out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 27, 2013, 07:49:55 AM
To be honest, I'd rather see Metallica tour again. They haven't been to the UK for a while and I'd be quite happy to see the same old classics again. I can't imagine the new album will top DM (which I actually thought was quite good).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 27, 2013, 09:40:57 AM
DM and St Anger both suffer from " Would have been great if they'd been produced well. "

Give St. Anger Black Album production and it would have been awesome.

Something like this : http://open.spotify.com/track/3OQzljlfWDjM9S9l8b0JGz   \m/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 27, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on July 27, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
Or Uncyclopedia.


Their article on Alliteration  has to be seen :lol

Every single word in the entire article begins with the letter A. :lol

Outstanding. http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Alliteration
I laughed my ass off in the Metallica article. Dunno why it was taken off.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on July 27, 2013, 10:02:58 PM
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.

This is the true problem. DM could have been saved if it had better production, though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 12:26:54 AM
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.

That. It definitely would have been an improvement, but regardless, the songs are sloppily played, lazily written and repetitive, and there would still only be a few decent songs on the album.

I can't even listen to the regular DM. It is unlistenable. I have the GH3 version, which sounds much better. DM was a well recorded and mixed album, then they messed it up and brickwalled the crap out of it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on July 28, 2013, 12:31:04 AM
Yeah, Death Magnetic could be much better with decent mixing and whatnot, but there is absolutely nothing that could save St. Anger. What a fucking mess of an album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 06:34:07 AM
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.

That. It definitely would have been an improvement, but regardless, the songs are sloppily played, lazily written and repetitive, and there would still only be a few decent songs on the album.

I can't even listen to the regular DM. It is unlistenable. I have the GH3 version, which sounds much better. DM was a well recorded and mixed album, then they messed it up and brickwalled the crap out of it.

Even in the GH3 versions - The rhythm guitar sounds really weak and fizzy. This is a massive error when you have James Hetfield in the band - who usually gets colossal rhythm tones.

The next album *has* to have good production. Sonically - Lulu was a huge improvement - the guitars and drums at least sound massive.

It's kind of a relief to know that they can still make decent sounding albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 06:40:19 AM
Good production does not excuse poor songwriting though.

That. It definitely would have been an improvement, but regardless, the songs are sloppily played, lazily written and repetitive, and there would still only be a few decent songs on the album.

I can't even listen to the regular DM. It is unlistenable. I have the GH3 version, which sounds much better. DM was a well recorded and mixed album, then they messed it up and brickwalled the crap out of it.

Even in the GH3 versions - The rhythm guitar sounds really weak and fizzy. This is a massive error when you have James Hetfield in the band - who usually gets colossal rhythm tones.

I really like the guitar tone on it. The guitars are maybe mixed a *touch* too low, and the lack of proper mastering (good mastering, that is) makes it sound thinner and weaker than an official release too, but I'd still be more than happy for their next album to sound as good as the GH3 versions. It would still be better than 95% of modern metal albums end up sounding.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 07:24:09 AM
The album was mastered by Ted Jensen - he mentioned in an email to someone who wrote to him from the Metallica forum that the album was already ruined by the time he got it and there wasn't much he could do with it. He said that whoever was mixing it had already tried to do their own mastering on it by compressing the shit out of it and it was already brickwalled when he got the final mix.

MusicRadar and Rolling Stone attribute a quote to the album's mastering engineer Ted Jensen in which he claims that "mixes were already brick-walled before they arrived" for mastering

He went on to say that this is increasingly more common these days - getting final mixes that are already ruined. He even asked for his name to be taken off the final product. [ His name is missing on some copies of Death Magnetic ].

So i think it's more Greg Fidelman / Rick Ruin that are to blame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 07:26:54 AM
Looking at his recent output - the latest Biffy album sounds really good as do the recent trilogy by Green Day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 07:27:50 AM
I recall reading that too, so GH3 is probably using a more raw mix, and not what is on the album.
It's a shame it got ruined after that point, because it's a well recorded album imo. Hetfield's singing well, the guitar tone is good, the bass tone is good, and the drums sound good (although lacking a little punch from the rough mix/master).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 07:28:51 AM
I think it could use a little reverb in places and a bit of colour [ it's quite a light, drab sounding record to me. ].

*snip*  < - - Have you heard these  ? basically the GH3 stems with a lot more punch. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Adami on July 28, 2013, 07:35:23 AM
Regarding production for Death Magnetic, I have a few issues that go beyond the clipping etc.

1) Lars' tom heads are coated, and really don't sound great.
2) They need to trigger his kick drums. Lars doesn't have the ability to play fast double bass as intensely as he does when he's doing accent kicks. So what you get is really quiet double bass, and then very loud accented bass. This is even more noticeable on St. Anger.
3) Rob's Bass tone is lacking muscle. It's not bad by itself, but I think the best bass tone they had was Jason's from the Black Album - Reload days. It had muscle, thickness and warmth.
4) The complete lack of vocal harmonies. I honestly don't understand the motivation behind that one at all.
5) Kirk's solos. Oh Kirk. He needs someone to really push him very VERY hard on his solos. Wah or no wah, you obviously can't just say "do whatever you want" because it will sound horrible. I remember seeing how hard he was pushed on the solo from The Unforgiven, and how well that turned out. He needs someone to guide him.
6) Lars needs a Ride cymbal again. I don't think I have to explain that.

Now, I had a lot of problems with the song writing on DM, but strictly production wise, those were my issues that go beyond the mere clipping of it all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 07:47:01 AM
I'd love it to have more reverb. I hate dry mixes (ADTOE is far too dry for me too).
Kotowboy- My version of the GH3 DM is early (D34DL1N3R). I haven't heard those ones, but you may want to remove that link for obvious reasons.

Adami - Hugely agree on 2, 4, 5, and 6. The kick drum is weak as piss and inconsistent in volume when he tries to play fast. The lack of vocal harmonies makes it sound too raw and incomplete (especially being a melodic rock fan where I'm used to much more layering). Kirk's solos are all absolutely embarrassingly dreadful (no exaggeration), and a ride cymbal is just a no brainer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 28, 2013, 08:02:12 AM
I love the DM solo's...  :-\

I don't get you guys.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 08:03:42 AM
The best solos on Death Magnetic are James' solos. No surprise there.

The melodic solo and first half of the big Suicide & Redemption solo where it's really interesting. You can tell the instant Kirk comes in as it goes WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 28, 2013, 08:06:16 AM
The best solos on Death Magnetic are James' solos. No surprise there.

The melodic solo and first half of the big Suicide & Redemption solo where it's really interesting. You can tell the instant Kirk comes in as it goes WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

:lol

I love that part...

Is there somewhere that clarifies who's doing what solo?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 08:10:16 AM
As a general rule - if it has Wah on - it's Kirk.

But i'm not sure exactly.

Pretty sure Kirk did all the solos apart from S&R and the dual guitar harmonies.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 28, 2013, 08:32:37 AM
What's bad about wah anyway?

I always thought it was a nice way to stand out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 08:39:39 AM
What's bad about wah anyway?

I always thought it was a nice way to stand out.

Wah is cool, but it doesn't stand out when you use it for every single solo, and he doesn't really use it well at all. He just rocks it back and forth instead of using it to add real expression or style with a sense of timing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on July 28, 2013, 08:48:30 AM
..................I think you guys just like to find things about Metallica to bitch about.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2013, 08:55:53 AM
Discussing the quality of Kirk Hammett's recent solos is far from nitpicking. His solos on DM are honestly garbage, and none of them are good enough to have made the album.

And I like the majority of his stuff even up until Load/Reload, but since then, he's just been fudging it with a wah pedal, and hoping he's playing fast enough that nobody notices his lack of timing or scale.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 09:23:30 AM
Discussing kirks solos or death magnetics poor audio or even Lars' lack of practice is far from nitpicking.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 09:28:31 AM
I do some basic masters on my own music and even I know that you can't do much

If the original audio is too loud. It's just gonna distort or be too harsh or

You will have pumping issues. I wonder what, if anything Ted Jensen actually

Did to the final mix. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on July 28, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
Even if they remix ...AJFA, Ulrich's bass drum will still have that annoying clicking sound.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2013, 12:23:49 PM
Unless they do audio replace with a nice fat bass drum form the Black Album :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on July 31, 2013, 07:26:24 AM
Just purchased the 6/8/13 Detroit show where they played Kill 'Em All in its entirety. :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 31, 2013, 02:20:13 PM
Regarding production for Death Magnetic, I have a few issues that go beyond the clipping etc.

1) Lars' tom heads are coated, and really don't sound great.
2) They need to trigger his kick drums. Lars doesn't have the ability to play fast double bass as intensely as he does when he's doing accent kicks. So what you get is really quiet double bass, and then very loud accented bass. This is even more noticeable on St. Anger.
3) Rob's Bass tone is lacking muscle. It's not bad by itself, but I think the best bass tone they had was Jason's from the Black Album - Reload days. It had muscle, thickness and warmth.
4) The complete lack of vocal harmonies. I honestly don't understand the motivation behind that one at all.
5) Kirk's solos. Oh Kirk. He needs someone to really push him very VERY hard on his solos. Wah or no wah, you obviously can't just say "do whatever you want" because it will sound horrible. I remember seeing how hard he was pushed on the solo from The Unforgiven, and how well that turned out. He needs someone to guide him.
6) Lars needs a Ride cymbal again. I don't think I have to explain that.

Now, I had a lot of problems with the song writing on DM, but strictly production wise, those were my issues that go beyond the mere clipping of it all.

I agree with everything you mentioned, but the vocal harmony thing stood out to me a lot as well as the lack of reverb on the vocal tracks.  They sound so dry that I almost feel bad for James a little.  The dude is getting older, has a TON of miles on his voice, so help him out a little by adding some reverb and some layering to his tracks in the studio! 

The vocals on The Black Album sounded good because yes, James was arguably in his vocal prime, but also because the production of that record made his voice sound huge!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 31, 2013, 03:48:21 PM
So it seems that 2014 will be spent *solely* on the new album according to virtually everyone in Metallica land.

Lars said " 2014 is new album - you'll hear it in 18 months or so ".

Kirk said that after the movie is out - they wanna focus on nothing else but a new album.

Manager Peter Mensch has said that they have to deliver an album in 2014.

So it's finally on the way.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 01, 2013, 12:15:59 PM
So it seems that 2014 will be spent *solely* on the new album according to virtually everyone in Metallica land.

Lars said " 2014 is new album - you'll hear it in 18 months or so ".

Kirk said that after the movie is out - they wanna focus on nothing else but a new album.

Manager Peter Mensch has said that they have to deliver an album in 2014.

So it's finally on the way.

Wow thats good news I guess, still a little skeptical... But hopefully it ends up being true!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 01, 2013, 12:19:05 PM
I hope it's true too. And I hope it'll be a good album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 01, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
I hope it's true too. And I hope it'll be a good album.

That's what makes me worried :-\
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 01, 2013, 12:36:00 PM
I hope it's true too. And I hope it'll be a good album.

That's what makes me worried :-\

Haha yeah that's true, delivering the album is a very small part of the battle, the album actually being good is a whole different thing!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on August 01, 2013, 12:42:51 PM
Speaking as someone whose first favorite band ever was Metallica and loved them with all of his heart for years in spite of all the jabs thrown at them, the album will probably suck. The dudes are washed up creatively. DM was an attempt to please fans after the shitstorm that was St. Anger. Before the album came out, they said that it fit would fit in a timeline between Justice and TBA, and it sounded like they were just trying to play fast, have crazy solos and be metal again. Bad idea. Bands are allowed to change sounds overtime, and Metallica shouldn't have tried to rehash their old days when they aren't in their 20s anymore. Load is arguably my favorite album by them and ReLoad has a number of good-great songs on it. My guess is that this album will be another shitty mixed and recorded attempt at Justice or Puppets or whatever. If they came out and said "This will be Re-re-load" I would be infinitely more excited. James is at the point where he can't really do metal, but he still has some singing chops. Kirk's muddled waway solos are fucking old and they are missing the bluesy punch that made them great even back when they weren't playing pseudo-bluesy hard rock. I'm just going on and on and on and I know a lot of you will probably disagree with me. 'Tis what it is. In truth, after loving Metallica with all my heart, I'll probably download the album, listen to it once or twice, and chuck it, and that honestly makes me really sad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 01, 2013, 12:44:53 PM
:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2013, 01:18:26 PM
They can't top Death Magnetic. They had lots of pressure into releasing a good album after St. Anger, and they wanted to swallow the whole world and scream "Hey! Metallica's back!". They were kinda successful, their world tour supporting Death Magnetic was great and fans became invested in the band once again. Now, this was 5 years ago. The weak flame that was again burning in the hearts of Metallica fans now was completely extinguished, given momentum by Lars Ulrich's horrible drumming, Kirk's mediocre soloing and Hetfield's fading voice. All that remains is nostalgia and memory. The Memory Remains olol.

True, they're grown ups now. Happily married men with families, and nowadays Hetfield instead of insulting the audience and throwing f-bombs anywhere he could now addresses the audience as the Metallica family, "you love Metallica, and Metallica loves you", the power of the heart, among other heartfelt things. Truth is that, I enjoyed Metallica more when they were aggressive as fuck, which really translated into powerful live performances. I'm happy for the guys, and I'm grateful they still have plans of making new music and sticking around for a while and playing concerts, but I did enjoy more the fury-driven band that changed my perspective of metal. Metallica should record this album, get out all what's left of their creative minds, and start waving their good-byes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 01, 2013, 01:22:51 PM
This absolutely has to be their last album.

But I do think Lars and James have stepped up in recent years and if they bring that to the new album it could be decent.

They just need a producer who will push them for excellence and not clip the shit out of it.

If they went with the crew that made In Waves - that would sound fantastic.

[ Metallica manager Peter Mensch also hinted that Rick Ruin would not return as " He distorts all his albums and we [ Q Prime ] don't like that..." ]
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 01, 2013, 01:26:12 PM
This absolutely has to be their last album.

But I do think Lars and James have stepped up in recent years and if they bring that to the new album it could be decent.

They just need a producer who will push them for excellence and not clip the shit out of it.

If they went with the crew that made In Waves - that would sound fantastic.

[ Metallica manager Peter Mensch also hinted that Rick Ruin would not return as " He distorts all his albums and we [ Q Prime ] don't like that..." ]
:biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 01, 2013, 01:30:18 PM
?  :biggrin: ?

Y U Do Dis ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 01, 2013, 01:47:22 PM
True, they're grown ups now. Happily married men with families, and nowadays Hetfield instead of insulting the audience and throwing f-bombs anywhere he could now addresses the audience as the Metallica family, "you love Metallica, and Metallica loves you", the power of the heart, among other heartfelt things. Truth is that, I enjoyed Metallica more when they were aggressive as fuck, which really translated into powerful live performances.

Totally agree.  Watching old Metallica footage from the Moscow 91 show or the Seattle 89 show, when Metallica was at, what I would consider their live performance peak, these guys were incredible.  Especially Hetfield, his intensity, his power stance, just his overall presence was fantastic.

I remember reading an interview with I think Bob Rock discussing the Load and Reload sessions.  At one point the question arose whether Hetfield still had lyrics in him or if he had hit some sort of creative wall.  Bob Rock had confronted James about it back then and James' response was something along the lines of "I've got plenty of hate left in me."  Hate always seemed to fuel the creative juices of this band, particularly Hetfield from a lyrical point of view.  I guess we will find out what he and the other guys still have left in the tank.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 01, 2013, 03:36:33 PM
?  :biggrin: ?

Y U Do Dis ?
Check the bolded part  ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 01, 2013, 05:10:14 PM
Ah. :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on August 01, 2013, 05:35:14 PM
Speaking as someone whose first favorite band ever was Metallica and loved them with all of his heart for years in spite of all the jabs thrown at them, the album will probably suck. The dudes are washed up creatively. DM was an attempt to please fans after the shitstorm that was St. Anger. Before the album came out, they said that it fit would fit in a timeline between Justice and TBA, and it sounded like they were just trying to play fast, have crazy solos and be metal again. Bad idea. Bands are allowed to change sounds overtime, and Metallica shouldn't have tried to rehash their old days when they aren't in their 20s anymore. Load is arguably my favorite album by them and ReLoad has a number of good-great songs on it. My guess is that this album will be another shitty mixed and recorded attempt at Justice or Puppets or whatever. If they came out and said "This will be Re-re-load" I would be infinitely more excited. James is at the point where he can't really do metal, but he still has some singing chops. Kirk's muddled waway solos are fucking old and they are missing the bluesy punch that made them great even back when they weren't playing pseudo-bluesy hard rock. I'm just going on and on and on and I know a lot of you will probably disagree with me. 'Tis what it is. In truth, after loving Metallica with all my heart, I'll probably download the album, listen to it once or twice, and chuck it, and that honestly makes me really sad.

my history-with and view-of the band are pretty much identical...'cept i cant say nothing about death magnetic as i havent been willing to spin tallitunes since '06, and i wont be listening to anything new even once or twice.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Nel on August 01, 2013, 07:14:18 PM
Eh, I don't care. Death Magnetic's my favorite Metallica album (I'm not joking, the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful) so I'm already satisfied and I'll take whatever at this point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on August 01, 2013, 08:07:31 PM
Eh, I don't care. Death Magnetic's my favorite Metallica album (I'm not joking, the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful) so I'm already satisfied and I'll take whatever at this point.

I will never feel like my Metallica opinions are weird ever again. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 01, 2013, 08:23:58 PM
Eh, I don't care. Death Magnetic's my favorite Metallica album (I'm not joking, the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful) so I'm already satisfied and I'll take whatever at this point.

I will never feel like my Metallica opinions are weird ever again. 

:lol

I'd be very disappointed if this next album just ends up being DM2, because they really need a different approach, and it needs to be better. And having remotely listenable production would be a plus too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 01, 2013, 10:40:45 PM
If we get good solos and nothing hillbillyish ala the loads, I'll be a happy camper.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2013, 10:56:52 PM
Eh, I don't care. Death Magnetic's my favorite Metallica album (I'm not joking, the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful) so I'm already satisfied and I'll take whatever at this point.

I will never feel like my Metallica opinions are weird ever again. 

:lol

I'd be very disappointed if this next album just ends up being DM2, because they really need a different approach, and it needs to be better. And having remotely listenable production would be a plus too.

They should really listen to some modern and good-sounding metal albums to grab some inspiration sound-wise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on August 01, 2013, 11:26:35 PM
They should cover DT's cover of Master of Puppets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 02, 2013, 12:54:54 AM
If we get good solos and nothing hillbillyish ala the loads, I'll be a happy camper.

We won't :(
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 03:23:42 AM
If we get good solos and nothing hillbillyish ala the loads, I'll be a happy camper.
I don't think we'll get hillbilly stuff. But we'll get shitty solos probably. And uninspired drumming.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 02, 2013, 03:30:38 AM
If we get good solos and nothing hillbillyish ala the loads, I'll be a happy camper.
I don't think we'll get hillbilly stuff. But we'll get shitty solos probably. And uninspired drumming.

I'd settle for uninspired drums, I'd just be thrilled if they were played in time. And I'd settle for hillbilly solos, for the same reason. :lol

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 03:49:53 AM
Apart from the horrible production (GH3 rip for the win), Death Magnetic was a great return to form, dunno what all the fuss is about.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 04:03:26 AM
I love DM, but it's not as good as the first 5 albums. The songs are sometimes too long, the solos are cool but often have a lot of wah, and the drumming is really boring. And of course, the production was Rick Ruined.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 04:38:30 AM
I definitely prefer it to the first 2 albums. The ones I definitely like more than DM are MOP, AJFA and Load - possibly the Black Album as well, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 02, 2013, 04:43:41 AM
I definitely prefer it to the first 2 albums. The ones I definitely like more than DM are MOP, AJFA and Load - possibly the Black Album as well, but I'm not sure.

I'd say MOP, AJFA anc the Black Album are better than DM, but other than that, it's pretty damn good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on August 02, 2013, 04:46:44 AM
Apart from the horrible production (GH3 rip for the win), Death Magnetic was a great return to form, dunno what all the fuss is about.
This. I also enjoyed the solos quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 02, 2013, 04:54:13 AM
I'd rank all of their albums above DM except for St Anger. Load and Reload aren't classics, but I still love a lot of those songs more than anything on DM. Even the best songs on DM have too many faults imo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 06:39:36 AM
With a little bit more work - That Was Just Your Life, Cyanide & All Nightmare Long could have been Metallica classics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 06:41:10 AM
the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful

In what way are the Loads awful ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on August 02, 2013, 07:03:17 AM
the first five albums are 50% listenable each and the Load albums are awful

In what way are the Loads awful ?

The sarcastic response is "every way"  :lol

The more honest response is: they're two albums full of Metallica becoming a full on boogie hard rock band. And they weren't very good at it. I know, it's cool now to look at the Loads and find diamonds in the rough, but they're not there. Metallica is a heavy metal band, and the Loads saw Metallica run as fast away from being a heavy metal band as was humanly possible. And that's not even getting into the absurd image changes the band went through at the same time, which just made the overall experience that much worse. Metallica spent from 1995 to the release of Death Magnetic basically denying they were Metallica, and the Loads were the worst symbols of that notion. Uninspired, bland songwriting, attempts to be something they utterly weren't...hell, that's enough reason to say the Loads were awful right there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 07:07:27 AM
 :angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.

I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.

However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 02, 2013, 07:08:15 AM
With a little bit more work - That Was Just Your Life, Cyanide & All Nightmare Long could have been Metallica classics.

I agree with that. I also think the Judas Kiss would be a total home run if they took out the attempted instrumental section. None of the songs on the album warranted being that long, but the riff/verse/chorus of The Judas Kiss are excellent imo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 02, 2013, 07:15:31 AM
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.

I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.

However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.

I enjoy Load, there are some great songs on there, but the problem with both albums is: there is way too much filler. Load's good tracks save it, but most songs on Reload fall into the "filler" category IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 02, 2013, 07:21:50 AM
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.

I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.

However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.

I enjoy Load, there are some great songs on there, but the problem with both albums is: there is way too much filler. Load's good tracks save it, but most songs on Reload fall into the "filler" category IMO.

That's about how I feel about it. Between those two albums is a lot of my favourite Metallica music (especially Load), so I don't think they deserve hate simply due to not being thrash/metal. They do however still deserve criticism for being two hugely padded out albums that would have worked much better as one.
If they were total crap, I wouldn't care, but there was definitely potential their for them to become one really strong album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
Thing is, even keeping just the good songs from both albums, I more than fill one CD. So while Reload especially has quite a bit of filler, there's still a ton of great music across the two albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on August 02, 2013, 07:41:29 AM
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.

I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.

However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.

Wait.

Hang the fuck on.

Did you just suggest that it's wrong for someone to say it's COOL to like the Loads, and then come right back and say that the dissenting opinion is the very evil you just decried? Even if that opinion was held like mine (and just about every other Metallica fan I personally know IRL) since 1995?

That's kind of funny.  :rollin

If it's wrong of me to think that someone liking the Loads is just being cool, it's just as wrong to accuse someone who sat in his car in 1995 when Until It Sleeps debuted on the radio and feeling my excitement disappear as I realized I thought the song flat out sucked is hating it because they think it's cool to hate on it. I will say that I have known more people who thought the Loads sucked based on their merits as music than those who loved them until the past few years, where suddenly the albums appear to be being judged in a vacuum where everything surrounding them is thrown aside (I think a lot of it had something to do with St. Anger, where a lot of people went "yeah, these albums weren't that bad after all!" but that's just a guess.) The Loads have evolved into some sort of noble, albeit failed experiment, but most of the people I know never liked the Loads because they thought they sucked. I will admit that a lot of the places I go to, the love the Loads get feels like bandwagon jumping, so I apologize if I let that color how I address it here. But yeah, if I can't get on someone for thinking they're just being "cool", the opposite holds true.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 07:56:09 AM
Ugh. TL;DR.

I'm saying it was trendy to say the Loads were shit but now people are coming around to them whereas i've always liked them...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 07:59:23 AM
Thing is, even keeping just the good songs from both albums, I more than fill one CD. So while Reload especially has quite a bit of filler, there's still a ton of great music across the two albums.

Even RTL had filler and that was only 8 songs.

I bet if Ride had 14 songs it would have a ton of filler on it too.

But most of my favourites from the Loads are on ReLoad.

Devils Dance. Carpe Diem Baby. Wild Things. Fixxxer. Attitude.


I even like Bad Seed - because it has that awesome swing to it. I'm a drummer :lol sometimes I like a song purely for it's groove and feel.


Which was partly the problem with Death Magnetic - the songs were played to be fast at the expense of feel.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 02, 2013, 08:34:44 AM

Even RTL had filler and that was only 8 songs.

I bet if Ride had 14 songs it would have a ton of filler on it too.

But it didn't.

To me, both Loads have a handful of enjoyable songs, but an awful lot of dreck, too.  And most of those enjoyable songs cannot touch the best material from the 80s and The Black Album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
I'm with Kotow on that point, RTL definitely has some pretty dull songs. But at the same time, I do appreciate how original and influential they were at the time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on August 02, 2013, 09:01:13 AM
Ok, out of curiosity, a poll for everybody: which songs on Load and Reload do you consider to be filler?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 02, 2013, 09:05:00 AM
I hate the word filler, as it implies that the band just threw it on the album to fill up space, instead of just calling it a song you don't like. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 09:06:50 AM
Ok, out of curiosity, a poll for everybody: which songs on Load and Reload do you consider to be filler?
From Load:
 - Cure (despite the groovy opening riff)
 - Thorn Within

From Reload:
 - Better Than You
 - Slither
 - Bad Seed
 - Attitude (still enjoyable though)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on August 02, 2013, 09:09:18 AM
I hate the word filler, as it implies that the band just threw it on the album to fill up space, instead of just calling it a song you don't like. 

True, I generally don't use the term very much, but I guess I feel it applies with Load and especially Reload. I don't think they were intended as filler, but it's just how they feel to me. I think it's the combination of the fact that the albums are quite long, and that the songs in question don't really bring anything new to the albums - they are similar to other ones but not very good and do feel as though they're just filling up space.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 09:18:56 AM
Ok, out of curiosity, a poll for everybody: which songs on Load and Reload do you consider to be filler?
From Load:
 - Cure (despite the groovy opening riff)
 - Thorn Within

From Reload:
 - Better Than You
 - Slither
 - Bad Seed
 - Attitude (still enjoyable though)

I don't think Load has any filler. I love Cure and Thorn Within. ReLoad, though, has the songs you mentoined and Prince Charming (which is still good though). How they've won a Grammy for Better Than You is beyond me. Oh wait, I forgot the Grammy Awards were just commercial crap. Never mind.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 02, 2013, 09:22:24 AM
I think Ronnie is by far the worst song on either record.  Even when I liked Load a lot when it first came out (a feeling that didn't last long, but hey, I had just gotten into Metallica), I thought that Ronnie sucked major swamp water.  That guitar lead is just so annoying.  It's like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on August 02, 2013, 09:48:51 AM
From Load and Reload I only like 5 songs:
Ain't My Bitch
Bleeding Me
Wasting My Hate
The Outlaw Torn
Fuel

That's it!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 09:56:40 AM
Ronnie is fucking awesome  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on August 02, 2013, 12:42:05 PM
I hate the word filler, as it implies that the band just threw it on the album to fill up space, instead of just calling it a song you don't like.

I use that word to imply that there is a difference between a bad song and filler. Bad songs annoy you, you want to a void them and sometimes skip them if you listen to a whole album. Filler songs don't do much for you, but you don't mind them when you listen to an album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 01:22:23 PM
I hate the word filler, as it implies that the band just threw it on the album to fill up space, instead of just calling it a song you don't like.

I use that word to imply that there is a difference between a bad song and filler. Bad songs annoy you, you want to a void them and sometimes skip them if you listen to a whole album. Filler songs don't do much for you, but you don't mind them when you listen to an album.
This, and for me the word 'filler' implies that they could have been left out and I wouldn't have minded.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 01:28:07 PM
I stand by my opinion that the weakest songs on Reload are better than the weakest songs on Load.

For example - I much prefer a song like Better Than You to Poor Twisted Me.


Better Than You is simple yes but at least it doesn't sound like a jam that's come out of trying out a delay pedal ( PTM ). . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow2222 on August 02, 2013, 01:31:09 PM
So how about their bizarre movie coming out in roughly two months? The trailer was very strange for it. I liked Nightwish's movie, and I like 3D, but this looks... odd.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 01:41:18 PM
So how about their bizarre movie coming out in roughly two months? The trailer was very strange for it. I liked Nightwish's movie, and I like 3D, but this looks... odd.
It looks weird, not interesting and really, really commercial. Like they don't have enough money.

I stand by my opinion that the weakest songs on Reload are better than the weakest songs on Load.

For example - I much prefer a song like Better Than You to Poor Twisted Me.


Better Than You is simple yes but at least it doesn't sound like a jam that's come out of trying out a delay pedal ( PTM ). . .
PTM is bloody epic if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dr. DTVT on August 02, 2013, 01:42:19 PM
Apart from the horrible production (GH3 rip for the win), Death Magnetic was a great return to form, dunno what all the fuss is about.

I've been saying this for years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 02, 2013, 01:44:02 PM
Apart from the horrible production (GH3 rip for the win), Death Magnetic was a great return to form, dunno what all the fuss is about.

I've been saying this for years.
It is a good return to form, but it has a few flaws. But all Metallica (aside from MoP) have that IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 02, 2013, 01:52:37 PM
That section in trivium's new single that sounds like All Nightmare Long.

I was thinking - if Death Magnetic sounded that fat - instead of a thin clippy mess - it would have been amazing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 02, 2013, 02:08:50 PM
^^ yep. As much as I like the most of the songs on DM, I can't listen to it simply because of the horrible sound.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on August 03, 2013, 09:09:25 AM
:angry: btw. It's not *COOL* to say you've always liked the Loads.

I HAVE always liked them. I played Reload to death when it came out.. I can barely bring myself to put on And Justice For All.

However - it is *COOL* to habitually bash the Loads along with everyone else who wanted The Black Album part 2.

I enjoy Load, there are some great songs on there, but the problem with both albums is: there is way too much filler. Load's good tracks save it, but most songs on Reload fall into the "filler" category IMO.

I don't think Load has any filler on it (sue me), but ReLoad has some weaker tracks, and the highs are lower than on Load. Still a pretty good album though.

Ok, out of curiosity, a poll for everybody: which songs on Load and Reload do you consider to be filler?

Load: none
ReLoad: Better Than You, Attitude, FiXXXer (sorry Kotow)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 03, 2013, 10:08:28 AM
I consider the "filler" on Reload to be much better than the "filler" on Load.

Just My opinion. :)

I can easily listen to Attitude, Bad Seed, Better Than You but can never manage Cure or Poor Twisted Me.


Seriously - put on Better Than You really f---ing loud and tell me you don't enjoy it  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 03, 2013, 10:26:19 AM
Better Than You is easily one of the worst Metallica songs ever imo :tdwn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 03, 2013, 11:30:31 AM
Better Than You has a decent riff, but the lyrics are shit, the intro and outro are shit and it's a bit boring.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 03, 2013, 11:47:16 AM
I could say the same verbatim for Cure.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on August 03, 2013, 11:50:50 AM
Cure is a top 5 song on Load.

I'm pretty indifferent towards BTY. It's not really bad, but not really good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on August 03, 2013, 12:25:21 PM
Some of the songs from those two albums that I kind of liked back at the time now don't sound very good, largely because of some really ugly vocal melodies.  For example, I used to like Slither, but that "See you crawling..." section now sounds laughably bad. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 03, 2013, 12:56:15 PM
Some of the songs from those two albums that I kind of liked back at the time now don't sound very good, largely because of some really ugly vocal melodies.  For example, I used to like Slither, but that "See you crawling..." section now sounds laughably bad.
I dislike the vocal melodies in that whole song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on August 03, 2013, 01:56:13 PM
never understood the dislike for ronnie / poor twisted me. theyre kinda the two coolest/funnest songs on Load. well, sped up 2X4 might challenge in the fun department.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 03, 2013, 02:18:25 PM
never understood the dislike for ronnie / poor twisted me. theyre kinda the two coolest/funnest songs on Load. well, sped up 2X4 might challenge in the fun department.
:tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on August 05, 2013, 02:05:06 AM
Some of the songs from those two albums that I kind of liked back at the time now don't sound very good, largely because of some really ugly vocal melodies.  For example, I used to like Slither, but that "See you crawling..." section now sounds laughably bad.
I dislike the vocal melodies in that whole song.

It's an ugly, dirty, sludgy song, so I don't have problem with them. Not my favourite on ReLoad, but pretty good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: nobloodyname on August 05, 2013, 02:19:41 AM
never understood the dislike for ronnie / poor twisted me. theyre kinda the two coolest/funnest songs on Load. well, sped up 2X4 might challenge in the fun department.

Certainly with you on Ronnie. Highly original composition and foot-tappingly good.

With each new album for a band I really care about, I sit down quietly with the album and listen properly all the way through. I still remember buying Reload and being so mind numbingly bored that I wandered off to do other things instead. That said, I have a soft spot for Low Man's Lyric; another original sounding composition.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 19, 2013, 03:45:13 AM
Live Shit : Mexico City is now on Spotify :)

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikemangioy on August 20, 2013, 07:18:18 AM
Am I too late here for top albums?
Anyways, Metallica, favorite band ever, I love this guys and despite all the critics they receive, I love everything they've done.

1.And Justice For All
2.Death Magnetic
3.Master Of Puppets
4.Ride The Lightning
5.Load
6.Kill 'Em All
7.Black Album
8.St. Anger
9.ReLoad
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2013, 07:35:59 AM
Just not Kill Em All ? :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 20, 2013, 09:11:42 AM
I love everything they've done.

:-\



Just not Kill Em All ? :P

:lol

Well Kill Em All is basically a Megadeth album, so no need to list it here
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on August 20, 2013, 09:35:55 AM
if that's true, it's the best Megadeth album I've ever heard.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2013, 09:59:11 AM
Everyone knows Kill Em All was written by Lloyd Grant and Brian Slagel  !!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikemangioy on August 20, 2013, 10:12:56 AM
oh god, that's what was missing  :omg:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 20, 2013, 11:12:03 AM
if that's true, it's the best Megadeth album I've ever heard.
:lol I agree  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 20, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
if that's true, it's the best Megadeth album I've ever heard.
:lol I agree  :rollin

Well you guys are weird :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on August 20, 2013, 01:05:55 PM
^ and by weird, he means retarded.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 20, 2013, 01:40:58 PM
Nothing's wrong if I don't like Megadeth, right? I used to listen to them pretty much when I started out listening to metal, but I just can't stand Dave's vocals. KEA is just pure energy. Instrumentally I'd like some Megadeth albums more, but as a whole I think I like KEA better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on August 20, 2013, 01:41:53 PM
Nothing's wrong if I don't like Megadeth, right? I used to listen to them pretty much when I started out listening to metal, but I just can't stand Dave's vocals. KEA is just pure energy. Instrumentally I'd like some Megadeth albums more, but as a whole I think I like KEA better.
Pretty much this in a nutshell
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 20, 2013, 02:11:25 PM
Yeah I've tried to enjoy Megadeth but Dave's voice just kills it stone dead for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 20, 2013, 11:14:28 PM
Three words: Rust In Peace
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on August 21, 2013, 12:06:00 AM
Three words: Rust In Peace

One word: Youthanasia.

But I think I prefer Metallica to Megadeth nowadays. Both have their ups and downs, but Metallica's best albums (MOP and Load) beat every Megadeth album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on August 21, 2013, 12:35:39 AM
We probably shouldn't start the whole Metallica vs Megadeth thing again, but it's just too much fun :D


Three words: Rust In Peace

One word: Youthanasia.

The "mainstream era"? Two words: Cryptic Writings



But I think I prefer Metallica to Megadeth nowadays. Both have their ups and downs, but Metallica's best albums (MOP and Load) beat every Megadeth album.

Not even close IMO. I can think of at least three 'deth albums (RIP, CW, Endgame, maybe even Countdown and The System Has Failed) that beat Metallica's "masterpieces" (AJFA and MOP).

Metallica is and was a very important band for me, since they were the first band I was really a fan of and they introduced me to metal. I used to say that unlike them, Megadeth still put out great albums, but after 13 and Super Collider, that's unfortunately not the case anymore.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 21, 2013, 02:15:50 AM
We should just all agree to disagree about Megadeth/Metallica :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on August 21, 2013, 09:46:37 AM
We should just all agree to disagree about Megadeth/Metallica :)
But don't we want this to become like a Youtube comments section ???
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 21, 2013, 09:59:28 AM
OMG GO BACK TO YOUR MAMA. CLIFF BURTON IS GOD. BEST BASSIST EVER. NEWSTED PLAYED WITH A GOD DAMNED PICK !!!!!!!!!!


 :rollin


I love that argument. Playing with a pick creates a different SOUND but playing with your fingers is seen as "correct" and " better".

Mark Knopfler plays guitar with his fingers and he's one the best guitarists ever. Should he use a pick ? Is that " correct " ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on August 26, 2013, 07:55:36 AM
Just recently listened to Lulu again. Been a while.

I love it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 26, 2013, 10:40:03 AM
I do too. I occasionally like listening to some weird shit and Lulu just did it for me.

Dragon is by far my favourite song on the album. Then Frustration and The View.

The only one I really have any trouble with is Pumping Blood. Lou's vocals are the worst on that one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 26, 2013, 04:12:45 PM
I just can't stand Lulu. I think it's boring, the music is shit and Lou's vocals are some of the worst I've ever heard.

Might listen again sometime though, to see if I've changed my mind.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BanksD on August 26, 2013, 05:17:01 PM
I don't hate lulu like most people do, in fact i can totally see what they were going for from a pretentious hipster standpoint, but oh god did they fail so bad it hurts.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on August 26, 2013, 05:18:50 PM
You do realize it's not a Metallica album right? Lou Reed just hired them as the backing band, the music is the one solid thing about the album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 26, 2013, 05:19:21 PM
Indeed. BUT - I admire them for it AND the way some Metallica fans have reacted - it's as if it was the bona fide follow up to Death Magnetic and Lou Reed was the new permanent vocalist for the band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on August 26, 2013, 05:20:48 PM
Indeed. BUT - I admire them for it AND the way some Metallica fans have reacted - it's as if it was the bona fide follow up to Death Magnetic and Lou Reed was the new permanent vocalist for the band.
Yeah, my post was more so aimed towards BanksD, but I agree with you whole heartedly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 27, 2013, 06:58:11 AM
News Update !

Apparently Lars did a recent interview with a German magazine and few juicy titbits came from it :

1. " We already have songs finished . . "

2. " Once we finish this current leg of the tour - we're in album mode throughout all of 2014 . "

3. " New album ? 'probably next year. . "

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 27, 2013, 07:03:06 AM
I thought it was already confirmed that they were obligated to do an album in 2014.

I'm just hoping it's not a Death magnetic pt 2. While the album was an improvement (would have been impossible not to have been), it was very forced to me, and they just can't pull off that kind of music any more (by which I mean Lars and Kirk).

I'd like to hear them just find the sound that fits them best now. Something closer to The Black Album, more concise and melodic songwriting, but still nice and heavy. Mediocre sloppy thrash doesn't excite me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on August 27, 2013, 09:33:02 AM
I'd be happy with Load 3.

As long as the songs were good and the production was nice.

The one thing that St Anger has that Death Magnetic does not is energy and enthusiasm in the playing.

Death Magnetic sounds really tired by comparison and has no life to it - all the compression does not help.

St. Anger - even though it sounds weird and raw as fuck - it has ENERGY in the playing. Lars is on fire on that album and his playing on the

Rehearsals DVD is even better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on August 27, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
I'd be happy with Load 3.

As long as the songs were good and the production was nice.

The one thing that St Anger has that Death Magnetic does not is energy and enthusiasm in the playing.

Death Magnetic sounds really tired by comparison and has no life to it - all the compression does not help.

St. Anger - even though it sounds weird and raw as fuck - it has ENERGY in the playing. Lars is on fire on that album and his playing on the

Rehearsals DVD is even better.
Pretty much this. I don't really care what kind of music they're gonna make, as long as it's good and sounding energetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 04, 2013, 12:58:03 PM
Stream of Master of Puppets from the soundtrack of that 3D movie: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-unleash-fury-on-master-of-puppets-live-song-premiere-20130904

I quite like it, James sounds great and it's pretty energetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on September 04, 2013, 10:02:06 PM
If the movie turns out to be just corny and shitty, at least we got a live version of MoP where James actually sings more than 30% of it.

EDIT: Yaaaaay! Lars overdubbed the bass drum!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 17, 2013, 08:22:09 PM
Harvester & Nightmare not on the soundtrack :/
Hetfield stopped singing "How I'm fucking you" at the end of the second verse of MoP, for the same reason they don't play So What anymore heh
It just occurred to me that Dream Theater have released 3 fuckin albums since Death Magnetic, Lazitallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 17, 2013, 11:01:20 PM
It just occurred to me that Dream Theater have released 3 fuckin albums since Death Magnetic, Lazitallica.

And all of them (even BC&SL) are far better than DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 18, 2013, 09:08:21 AM
Harvester & Nightmare not on the soundtrack :/
Hetfield stopped singing "How I'm fucking you" at the end of the second verse of MoP, for the same reason they don't play So What anymore heh
It just occurred to me that Dream Theater have released 3 fuckin albums since Death Magnetic, Lazitallica.

And I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes 4 in 2015.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 21, 2013, 03:08:02 PM
It just occurred to me that Dream Theater have released 3 fuckin albums since Death Magnetic, Lazitallica.

And all of them (even BC&SL) are far better than DM.

I'm not totally with you on that, firstly cause I cannot compare between the two bands musically but as an impact on me I'd say ADoTE is the only one that had a stronger impression than DM.

And I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes 4 in 2015.

Haha very possible.

Just watched the live bluray that comes with Fan Can 6 and I think it's better than all other recent live releases. They played Last Caress and I don't get how it's more appropriate than So What..
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 21, 2013, 03:10:17 PM
More DT vs Metallica productivity discussion :

I highly doubt that Metallica will ever reach 12 studio albums.

They'll barely reach 10 at this rate.

The only way they could do it is if they record three albums now and release one a year.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 21, 2013, 03:11:10 PM
Pretty much, yeah.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 21, 2013, 03:15:41 PM
Logical but on the other hand you gotta think Metallica won't be touring at this rate forever and in a couple of years less touring could mean more studio time.
Trujillo said recently that Lulu and the movie kept them busy since 2011 and that 2014 will be all about recording a new album, which means we could expect it to be out around the next DT album. Maybe I'm dreaming too far ahead but a joint tour would be very cool and I don't think either bands would oppose it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 21, 2013, 03:16:01 PM
Metallica 10 will be out late 2014 at the earliest.

If it takes them another 14 years to do 2 more albums - they'll all be in their mid 60's.

Dream Theater are on album 12 and Myung & Petrucci are still only 46.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on September 21, 2013, 03:18:25 PM
Does it really matter who releases more albums??
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on September 21, 2013, 03:21:22 PM
No, but it's just kind of ridiculous how little some of the most successful bands have actually released when you think about it, at least in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on September 21, 2013, 03:21:37 PM
Difference is that a break would be good for DT... For Metallica, whatever, they turned into a joke anyway  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 21, 2013, 03:22:17 PM
Does it really matter who releases more albums??

YES
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on September 21, 2013, 03:34:44 PM
More DT vs Metallica productivity discussion :

I highly doubt that Metallica will ever reach 12 studio albums.

They'll barely reach 10 at this rate.

The only way they could do it is if they record three albums now and release one a year.

Let's look at it from this perspective: after Lulu, do you even want them to reach 12 albums? Maybe it's better for humanity of they just continue touring with songs from KEA, RTL, MOP and AJFA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on September 21, 2013, 03:35:27 PM
LULU IS NOT A METALLICA ALBUM, JEEZUS.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on September 21, 2013, 03:38:55 PM
LULU IS NOT A METALLICA ALBUM, JEEZUS.

JOKES ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE LIBERTIES WITH REALITY, MERY AND JOZEPH.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on September 21, 2013, 03:40:09 PM
LULU IS NOT A METALLICA ALBUM, JEEZUS.

JOKES ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE LIBERTIES WITH REALITY, MERY AND JOZEPH.
I HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING SUBTLE JOKES, ABRAHAM AND ISSAC
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on September 21, 2013, 03:49:03 PM
LULU IS NOT A METALLICA ALBUM, JEEZUS.

JOKES ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE LIBERTIES WITH REALITY, MERY AND JOZEPH.
I HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING SUBTLE JOKES, ABRAHAM AND ISSAC
I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS PROBABLY WHY YOU DIDN'T THINK TO MISSPELL THE BIBLICAL NAME ABRAHAM, JAKOB AND MOZES.

...now that I mention Moses, I usually dislike music that has religious themes, but in the case of Creeping Death I don't mind.
Feels good to be back on topic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 21, 2013, 03:55:43 PM
I enjoyed this exchange heh
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 21, 2013, 03:57:15 PM
I SHALL PAZZ YA MATHAFAKKA YEAHHHH
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 22, 2013, 04:45:17 AM
Difference is that a break would be good for DT...

Not really. ADTOE was great, and DT12 is fantastic. In my opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2013, 05:20:01 AM
Difference is that a break would be good for DT...

Not really. ADTOE was great, and DT12 is fantastic. In my opinion.

DT got the break they needed when Portnoy left.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2013, 05:21:56 AM
 :\ So how about that Metallica?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2013, 05:29:47 AM
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.

They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2013, 05:32:14 AM
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.

They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.

I recall reading a comment from Hetfield that were contractually obligated to deliver an album in/by 2014, although I'm probably mistaken. I can't remember where I read it, but I should search for it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on September 22, 2013, 05:40:16 AM
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.

They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.

Maybe we'll get some Lulu leftovers, like ReLoad was to Load.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2013, 05:42:56 AM
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.

They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.

Maybe we'll get some Lulu leftovers, like ReLoad was to Load.

The Call of 2Lu
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2013, 05:44:24 AM
I hope they do deliver an album in 2014 but it will most likely be mid 2015.

They just need to write songs and pick the best. Forget about being old school. Just jam and see what comes out.

Maybe we'll get some Lulu leftovers, like ReLoad was to Load.

The Call of 2Lu

:lol

Relu.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2013, 05:49:28 AM
Lulu Up Your Ass
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 22, 2013, 05:50:27 AM
Lulu Up Your Ass

:clap: :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on September 22, 2013, 05:52:23 AM
Lulu #3
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on September 22, 2013, 05:55:20 AM
Lulu - The Thing That Should Not Be
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 22, 2013, 05:57:16 AM
Sad But Table
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 22, 2013, 05:58:20 AM
Sad 'bout Lu...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on September 22, 2013, 06:47:25 AM
Sad But Table
This cracked me up. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 23, 2013, 08:03:14 PM
Reed The Lightning.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on September 23, 2013, 09:56:20 PM
Difference is that a break would be good for DT...

Not really. ADTOE was great, and DT12 is fantastic. In my opinion.

Ah, you DTFers just don't get the bigger picture  :-\
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on September 23, 2013, 10:20:46 PM
Difference is that a break would be good for DT...

Not really. ADTOE was great, and DT12 is fantastic. In my opinion.

Ah, you DTFers just don't get the bigger picture  :-\
I see what you did there.

But I still think that, while taking more than 2 years to release their next album wouldn't be a bad thing for DT, a hiatus would be a really bad decision.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on September 23, 2013, 10:32:08 PM
Yeah, with the "break" thing, i was actually talking about "more time to write music" (more ideas, more cohesiveness, less filler, etc...), not a real hiatus.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 24, 2013, 12:03:16 AM
I honestly don't see any filler on the last two DT albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on September 24, 2013, 12:35:31 AM
Yeah, with the "break" thing, i was actually talking about "more time to write music" (more ideas, more cohesiveness, less filler, etc...), not a real hiatus.
We know, and we disagree.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 24, 2013, 12:39:19 AM
I must be in the wrong thread, because I thought this was the Metallica thread. :dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 24, 2013, 12:42:43 AM
I must be in the wrong thread, because I thought this was the Metallica thread. :dunno:

So, Metallica. They're a pretty cool band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 24, 2013, 12:46:05 AM
Is anyone going to see this Through The Never thing? It looks kind of stupid to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on September 24, 2013, 12:50:23 AM
Yeah, with the "break" thing, i was actually talking about "more time to write music" (more ideas, more cohesiveness, less filler, etc...), not a real hiatus.
We know, and we disagree.

Though you was one person  :biggrin:

LOL, i saw the trailer Blob, WTF was that?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on September 24, 2013, 04:37:22 AM
Yeah, with the "break" thing, i was actually talking about "more time to write music" (more ideas, more cohesiveness, less filler, etc...), not a real hiatus.
We know, and we disagree.

Though you was one person  :biggrin:

Two ;)


LOL, i saw the trailer Blob, WTF was that?

A huge cash cow.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 24, 2013, 05:19:00 AM
Is anyone going to see this Through The Never thing? It looks kind of stupid to me.

I think it looks interesting. A concert movie interspersed with dialogue free narrative elements.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 24, 2013, 05:49:47 AM
Is anyone going to see this Through The Never thing? It looks kind of stupid to me.

I think it looks interesting. A concert movie interspersed with dialogue free narrative elements.

Oh, is it more of a concert movie? I saw the trailer a while back and didn't know wtf to make of it! It looked kind of silly though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 24, 2013, 05:56:52 AM
It's based around a Metallica concert - but there is some kind of story interspersed with it. With no dialogue.

It was filmed in 3D which interests me slightly as it will probably be the closest i'll get to a Met gig :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on September 24, 2013, 06:31:10 AM
I know very little about the film, but it seems to be a pretty major release. Might check it out if it gets a good response!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on September 24, 2013, 06:52:41 AM
I've seen the production they put into the concert part of the movie and I want to see it just for that! Also, listened to the soundtrack of it and apparently they do a bit like Cunning Stunts where the show breaks down and they have to stop mid-song because of "technical issues".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 24, 2013, 07:00:06 AM
I've seen the production they put into the concert part of the movie and I want to see it just for that! Also, listened to the soundtrack of it and apparently they do a bit like Cunning Stunts where the show breaks down and they have to stop mid-song because of "technical issues".

They chuck in every stage prop they've used over the years.

The Crosses. Lady Justice. An Electric Chair - made from 6 tesla Coils. The collapsing set etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 24, 2013, 07:05:35 AM
I downloaded the soundtrack... was it like recorded in a semi live controlled setting or is it just like rerecordings with audience noise? Can't tell.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on September 24, 2013, 07:12:49 AM
I've seen the production they put into the concert part of the movie and I want to see it just for that! Also, listened to the soundtrack of it and apparently they do a bit like Cunning Stunts where the show breaks down and they have to stop mid-song because of "technical issues".

They chuck in every stage prop they've used over the years.

The Crosses. Lady Justice. An Electric Chair - made from 6 tesla Coils. The collapsing set etc.
Plus the stage is full of LED monitors and the coffins too. I think I read they spend like $15 million making that show happen!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on September 24, 2013, 07:20:25 AM
I downloaded the soundtrack... was it like recorded in a semi live controlled setting or is it just like rerecordings with audience noise? Can't tell.

Is it worth listening to?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 24, 2013, 08:32:11 AM
I downloaded the soundtrack... was it like recorded in a semi live controlled setting or is it just like rerecordings with audience noise? Can't tell.

I believe that it was recorded after three shows or so in Vancouver.  I think that's where the setting of the entire movie will be at.

So as for the movie itself, it's hard to for me to justify watching it, if I already heard good performances of these songs already in the 2000s age.  So that leaves the non-performance bits with that roadie dude and quite frankly, looks pretty actiony but does not leave much substance, imo.  As a result, I'm 50/50, leaning downwards.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 24, 2013, 08:39:40 AM
I'll probably wind up seeing it. Seems like it would make a good BroNight / ManDate movie.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 24, 2013, 09:59:01 AM
I'll probably wind up seeing it. Seems like it would make a good BroNight / ManDate movie.

But watching it is not ManDate-ory :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on September 25, 2013, 10:21:56 PM
Metallica's live shows are completely stunning but daaaaang there has been a lot of DVDs lately. They used to do one VHS/DVD video per album (Master=>Cliff'Em,  AJFA=>Seattle '89, TBA=>Mexico '93, Load-Reload=>Cunning Stunts, Garage Inc.=>S&M, St.Anger=>SKOM?) but since Death Magnetic came out they've released the Nimes '09 show, the Mexico '09 show, the Big 4, Quebec Magnetic and now Through the Never. I love the 'Tallica shows, but don't you think five is way too much?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2013, 01:17:07 AM
To be fair - Nimes & Mexico were limited to releases in those two countries.

Quebec was the first "proper" worldwide release and Through The Never is more of a movie.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on September 26, 2013, 08:10:19 AM
If Through The Never had come out when I was in my adventure days (or if I was of that age today) I probably would have been at the first midnight show, shitfaced and headbanging, because that's perfect midnight movie fodder. Would've been the new Song Remains The Same for the rock crowd.

These days I watch the latter movie and laugh my ass off at the fantasy sequences, though, and really, that's all Through The Never seems to be: a concert movie with an assload of fantasy sequences  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 26, 2013, 11:43:47 AM
Watching with Mr. Hammett on Friday :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on September 26, 2013, 02:42:10 PM
Watching with Mr. Hammett on Friday :D

tell him I have (nearly) the same belly tattoo as him.
also tell him I have a Metallica tattoo on my arm, but that i'm dying to get it laser'd off.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on September 26, 2013, 03:18:37 PM
So is this a concert movie or a real movie with a plot?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 26, 2013, 04:07:49 PM
I think it's a concert movie?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 26, 2013, 04:31:20 PM
It's a hybrid of both, the events that happen to the kid supposedly correspond with the songs Metallica are playing in the concert.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on September 26, 2013, 09:17:49 PM
It's a hybrid of both, the events that happen to the kid supposedly correspond with the songs Metallica are playing in the concert.

So....nothing from Lulu then. 

 :angel:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on September 26, 2013, 09:34:41 PM
It's a hybrid of both, the events that happen to the kid supposedly correspond with the songs Metallica are playing in the concert.

So....nothing from Lulu then. 

 :angel:

Yeah, kid gonna escape from the movie if they play that album  :biggrin:
Actually, would be funny to imagine what would happen during the "I am the table" sequence  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on September 26, 2013, 09:53:36 PM
It's a hybrid of both, the events that happen to the kid supposedly correspond with the songs Metallica are playing in the concert.

So....nothing from Lulu then. 

 :angel:

Yeah, kid gonna escape from the movie if they play that album  :biggrin:
Actually, would be funny to imagine what would happen during the "I am the table" sequence  :lol

Or "spermless like a girl"...   :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on September 27, 2013, 07:12:15 AM
Sounds pretty damn corny.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
Lars Ulrich has announced a "secret" Metallica project to come out in December.

No clue what this is. Maybe the dates for the Thru The Never tour ?

Best case scenario is obviously a christmas release of an album that they've been working on in absolute secrecy.

I'm leaning towards the first option though.

I reckon about 10 dates worldwide on the Thru The Never stage to recoup some of the money they spent on the film.

30th Anniversary Kill Em All CD/Vinyl/Boxset ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 30, 2013, 11:40:27 AM
Some shitty Lulu-like thing perhaps.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2013, 11:49:30 AM
Yes because they'll definitely do that again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on September 30, 2013, 12:07:31 PM
All right fellas, saw the movie on Friday but had no internet at home.
The movie is 90% concert which is cool but not new, the crosses coming out of the stage on Master of Puppets were cheesy, lady justice was not Doris, but Cinnabon or possibly Krystal, she looked nothing like the one from Damaged Justice tour and her coming apart wasn't nearly as dramatic or climatic as it was in the Damaged Justice tour, the electric chair from Ride The Lightening competes with the crosses from MoP in the double cheese race and Cunning Stunts Sandman stunt was.. the same as it was in Cunning Stunts, "oh haha stuntman on fire and James acting freaked out".
It was not all lame, the projections of the marching army on One and For Whom The Bell Tolls were pretty cool.
But the scenes with the actor's little story were really well executed IMO. Amazing imagery and great cinematography, pretty morbid, basically it's an anarchist protest that clashes violently with the police and escalates a downtown kinda area into a war zone. Trying not to spoil it, not that there's much to spoil.
This movie would have worked for me had they cared more about what songs are fitting for the kid's story, which runs parallel to the concert, instead of having giving the "career highlights" a higher priority, the movie NEEDED Harvester and Nightmare and could have very well used Sad But True instead of having Hit The Lights, Nothing Else Matters and The Memory Remains.
So overall it fails as a movie IMO but it's worth watching for the acting scenes and the sharpness and quality of music at an IMAX theater.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2013, 12:09:35 PM
I wanna see it at least. I think it would obviously be better on a Big Screen with a fuck-off sound system than on DVD in your bedroom.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 30, 2013, 02:14:36 PM
I just don't see how The Memory Remains has somehow hung on as a live "staple." If you polled 1000 Metallica fans and asked them these two questions:

1. What are your top 30 favorite Metallica songs?

2. Would you be bothered if Reload wasn't represented at all in our live set?

...I pretty safely speculate the answers would go like this:

1. The Memory Remains would not crack the top 25.

2. The majority would answer "no."

If they have such a greasy boner for keeping Reload alive, they should at least give deserving songs like Where the Wild Things Are and Carpe Diem, Baby their fair due.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2013, 02:21:49 PM
Or Devil's Dance or f.i.x.x.x.e.r or even Attitude.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on September 30, 2013, 03:08:09 PM
I dislike Attitude. Devil's Dance, Fixxxer, WTWTA and CDB are all awesome though. I love Low Man's Lyric too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on September 30, 2013, 05:11:34 PM
I like The Memory Remains, come at me bro
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on September 30, 2013, 05:15:25 PM
*Comes at Dimi*
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on September 30, 2013, 05:16:00 PM
*Their memories remain*


 :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 01, 2013, 12:33:47 AM
I love the Memory Remains, it's one of my favourite Metallica songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on October 01, 2013, 03:18:54 AM
The Memory Remains is a very good song, but they could give it and Fuel a rest. Prince Charming is my fave track on ReLoad, so I wish they'll play it live, and Low Man's Lyric would be cool too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on October 01, 2013, 05:04:46 AM
The "nadada" section ruins the entire song imo :-\
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 01, 2013, 10:05:18 AM
I like The Memory Remains, come at me bro

+1
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 01, 2013, 10:08:27 AM
I like The Memory Remains too. If people want to hear anything off Reload, it's going to be the songs they actually know, ie. the singles. If people don't want to hear them, there's very little chance they're going to care about hearing the rest of the album instead.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2013, 12:33:17 PM
Reload > St Anger & Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on October 01, 2013, 12:35:20 PM
Death magnetic > Load, Reload and St. Anger combined

However, when it comes to the songs from the latter three albums I enjoy, The Memory remains is certainly one of the better ones.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2013, 12:40:34 PM
DM has average songs and awful production and really terrible playing from both Kirk & Lars.

Load is just better on every level. There is nothing on Death Magnetic in the same league as Outlaw Torn or Bleeding Me.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on October 01, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
There is nothing on Death Magnetic in the same league as Outlaw Torn or Bleeding Me.

Except for That Was Just Your Life, My Apocalypse, All Nightmare Long, Cyanide and The Day That Never Comes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 01, 2013, 01:36:38 PM
Yeah the songs on DM are really solid, it's just very poor production wise, but I only listen to the GH3 rip which sounds so much better, even if the mix is flawed in places.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2013, 01:55:02 PM
I'd love for Metallica 10 to be another classic - to be ranked alongside the first 5 ( and Load to a lesser extent ).

But I imagine it will be Death Magnetic part 2 with more slower songs a la the self-titled.

I'm expecting better production this time since they know full well how bad the sound on DM is.
[they have acknowledged it and the production on Lulu was much better regardless of the actual songs]

An album of Cyanide and Broken, Beat & Scarred tempo songs would be good.

They need to stop trying to be an older version of themselves and simply make whatever they come up with the best it can be.

If they put out an album of 10 " The Outlaw Torn " then so be it.

But i'm really expecting another album like the self-titled in tempo and song arrangement - with maybe one or two longer/faster songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 01, 2013, 02:01:10 PM
To be honest - if the next album is 10 ballads instead of 10 thrash songs - they'll still make millions from touring the hits anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on October 01, 2013, 02:50:35 PM
Yeah the songs on DM are really solid, it's just very poor production wise, but I only listen to the GH3 rip which sounds so much better, even if the mix is flawed in places.
Yep, all of that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 01, 2013, 09:47:05 PM
DM is pretty consistent in terms of good vs bad songs, but it needed a lot of work for most of those songs to be good from start to finish.

The problem is that the songs are mostly very artificially inflated in a contrived attempt to emulate the structures of MoP/AJFA, and in the process it highlights that Kirk and Lars simply cannot play that style of music anymore. Those instrumental sections feel like they're a hair away from falling apart entirely, and it's pretty embarrassing they couldn't do better in a studio environment.
Kirk doesn't manage a single passable solo on the album. He's out of time, and can't play that style of music. He sounds like a 15 year old bedroom shredder trying to play his old solos.

Had they trimmed the songs down, and perhaps written a couple of stronger songs to replace the duds, they could have had a great album, but still no competition for the first 5 albums. If they give up trying to recapture the past on the next album, I think they still have a great album left in them.


Load and Reload are wildly inconsistent albums, ranging from some of their best songs to absolute filler crap, but I would still take either album over DM any day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 03:59:28 AM
DM is pretty consistent in terms of good vs bad songs, but it needed a lot of work for most of those songs to be good from start to finish.

The problem is that the songs are mostly very artificially inflated in a contrived attempt to emulate the structures of MoP/AJFA, and in the process it highlights that Kirk and Lars simply cannot play that style of music anymore. Those instrumental sections feel like they're a hair away from falling apart entirely, and it's pretty embarrassing they couldn't do better in a studio environment.
Kirk doesn't manage a single passable solo on the album. He's out of time, and can't play that style of music. He sounds like a 15 year old bedroom shredder trying to play his old solos.

Had they trimmed the songs down, and perhaps written a couple of stronger songs to replace the duds, they could have had a great album, but still no competition for the first 5 albums. If they give up trying to recapture the past on the next album, I think they still have a great album left in them.


Load and Reload are wildly inconsistent albums, ranging from some of their best songs to absolute filler crap, but I would still take either album over DM any day.

:hifive:

The Worst songs from DM > The worst songs from L&R

The Best songs from L&R > The best songs form DM
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on October 02, 2013, 04:04:19 AM
Always thought Death Magnetic was like ADTOE, a (much, MUCH, MUCH MORE) generic version of their most acclaimed album (or golden era in general).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 04:12:43 AM
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 02, 2013, 05:49:34 AM
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.

Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on October 02, 2013, 05:59:37 AM
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.
Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?
Bob Rock played bass for that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2013, 06:49:21 AM
They also both suffer from mix and master issues and are the first to feature a new member.
Wasn't St. Anger Rob's first album?
Bob Rock played bass for that album.

Yep. Trujillo played on the live in the studio DVD that came with the album, but he didn't play on any of the album itself. The Some Kind of Monster DVD is good for seeing the story there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on October 02, 2013, 07:17:02 AM
To be honest - if the next album is 10 ballads instead of 10 thrash songs - they'll still make millions from touring the hits anyway.

They're in that kind of place, where it really doesn't matter what kind of album they put out they'll still sell out most, if not all, of their shows.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on October 02, 2013, 07:51:44 AM
Death Magnetic smokes Load. Even with the production issues-and really, lets face it, it wasn't like Metallica's thrash era albums sounded much better anyway-it takes Load out behind the woodshed and makes it it's bitch. I'm never going to get the "hindsight is wonderful" thing about the Loads. They're dreck. Total shit. Even with Kirk's playing being pretty sloppy on DM-I'll gladly admit there's no saving Lars now, but Kirk's kind of always been a lead player who played pretty awful solos for the songs they're in and buried things in too much wah wah-the songs are light years better than anything on the Loads. Light years.

Yes, DM has a certain sense of contrivance. "Here's the uptempo opener, here's the long, medium paced song, here's the ballad with the really fast coda, here's the long instrumental, and don't forget the fastest song on the album as a closer." But you know what? I'd rather have Metallica be contrived and make heavy metal than be contrived and make really bad generic hard rock and try to get the attention of the alternative crowd. Which was all the Loads were, really.

Whenever "oh the Loads were great" comes up, I'm gonna be to rebut.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on October 02, 2013, 08:13:35 AM
It's almost like people have different tastes in music or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 09:59:33 AM
FOR FUCKS SAKE - LOAD IS NOT " TOTAL SHIT ".

Justin Bieber - One Direction. The White Stripes.  Lady Fucking Gaga.  That's TOTAL SHIT.

No album that features
•The Outlaw Torn
•Bleeding Me
•Ain't My Bitch
•King Nothing
•Hero Of The Day

can ever be considered " TOTAL SHIT ".

However - " baby baby baby ooooh baby baby baby ooooh "


Whenever "oh the Loads were great" comes up, I'm gonna be to rebut.  :lol
Because - like it's like - fact or something - it was on mythbusters that one time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on October 02, 2013, 10:01:15 AM
WHOAH, WHOAH, WHOAH.
The White Stripes are far and above shit, they're fucking awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 10:01:54 AM
Load has some of James best lyrics EVER.

But obviously they're not as good as " No Life Til LEather - Gonna Kick SOme Ass Tonite !!! "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 10:06:20 AM
I think Load, Reload & the S&M songs, I disappear were what Metallica were coming up with at the time.

Death Magnetic is Metallica forcing themselves to write in a certain way. It's their most contrived album and their most un-natural.

Rick Ruin basically told them to make another Master Of Puppets & It's obvious they can't do that anymore.

I'd be *more than happy* with Load III - because at least it would be Metallica writing the kind of music that comes naturally to them instead

of trying to be an earlier version of themselves that had long gone.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on October 02, 2013, 10:37:22 AM
I'll be OK with Load III as long as it doesn't have artwork by Andres Serrano.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 10:38:04 AM
Well we all know that whatever the artwork is - people will say it looks like genitals.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 02, 2013, 01:23:06 PM
FOR FUCKS SAKE - LOAD IS NOT " TOTAL SHIT ".

Justin Bieber - One Direction. The White Stripes.  Lady Fucking Gaga.  That's TOTAL SHIT.
No, none of that is total shit.

Jeez, some people on this forum really need to learn to respect the opinions of other people.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 01:26:47 PM
 :'( :'( LEAVE BIEBER ALONE !!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 02, 2013, 01:33:40 PM
Death magnetic > Load, Reload and St. Anger combined

Agreed.

I dislike Attitude. Devil's Dance, Fixxxer, WTWTA and CDB are all awesome though. I love Low Man's Lyric too.

Also agreed, Attitude is pretty bad.

I just don't see how The Memory Remains has somehow hung on as a live "staple."

Because James likes the audience singing along at the end, really.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 02:41:40 PM
Death Magnetic smokes Load. Even with the production issues-and really, lets face it, it wasn't like Metallica's thrash era albums sounded much better anyway-it takes Load out behind the woodshed and makes it it's bitch. I'm never going to get the "hindsight is wonderful" thing about the Loads. They're dreck. Total shit. Even with Kirk's playing being pretty sloppy on DM-I'll gladly admit there's no saving Lars now, but Kirk's kind of always been a lead player who played pretty awful solos for the songs they're in and buried things in too much wah wah-the songs are light years better than anything on the Loads. Light years.

Yes, DM has a certain sense of contrivance. "Here's the uptempo opener, here's the long, medium paced song, here's the ballad with the really fast coda, here's the long instrumental, and don't forget the fastest song on the album as a closer." But you know what? I'd rather have Metallica be contrived and make heavy metal than be contrived and make really bad generic hard rock and try to get the attention of the alternative crowd. Which was all the Loads were, really.

Whenever "oh the Loads were great" comes up, I'm gonna be to rebut.  :lol

I'm with you 100% Jaq!

There are only five songs that stand up from Load/Reload for me:
Ain't My Bitch
Bleeding Me
The Outlaw Torn
Wasting My Hate
Fueled

I love every one of them, but I shouldn't have to sift through 19 other songs to find them!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on October 02, 2013, 02:47:41 PM
I recently listened through Metallica's discography again, and I think Load might actually be my favorite Metallica album.  Maybe.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 02:53:38 PM
I recently listened through Metallica's discography again, and I think Load might actually be my favorite Metallica album.  Maybe.

:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on October 02, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on October 02, 2013, 04:20:51 PM
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol
You say that like it's a bad thing  :heart
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 04:24:08 PM
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol

Well that would certainly explain this;


I recently listened through Metallica's discography again, and I think Load might actually be my favorite Metallica album.  Maybe.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on October 02, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 02, 2013, 05:00:09 PM
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5.
:lol yup that would be taking it a step further...

Just messing with you. Everyone has a right to what they like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 06:14:01 PM
The S&M version of Hero is much better too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 02, 2013, 06:14:21 PM
Before you go applauding me, you should know that I also like Lady Gaga.   :lol


:slowclap:
 


 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 02, 2013, 09:12:20 PM
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5. 

One of my favourite songs EVER, and I'd rank it just as highly among Metallica songs. :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 03, 2013, 02:24:22 AM
I could take it a step further and say that Hero of the Day might possibly be my favorite Metallica song.  Certainly in the top 5. 
It's a great song, nothing to be embarassed about there!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on October 03, 2013, 04:15:56 AM
Yeah, it's easily my favorite Metallica song of that era.  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 03, 2013, 06:44:22 AM
I feel like - when people talk about Kill - Justice that Metallica and Load should be included too.

People just automatically dismiss Load & Reload as being in the same ballpark as St. Anger.

Like - " Of Course Load & Reload are shit ".

It's like everyone just says every odd-numbered Trek film is shit - when that includes TMP, Generations and 2009 - which are all fine films and that doesn't include Nemesis - which is universally seen as the worst one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 03, 2013, 07:02:59 AM
I feel like - when people talk about Kill - Justice that Metallica and Load should be included too.

People just automatically dismiss Load & Reload as being in the same ballpark as St. Anger.

Like - " Of Course Load & Reload are shit ".

It's like everyone just says every odd-numbered Trek film is shit - when that includes TMP, Generations and 2009 - which are all fine films and that doesn't include Nemesis - which is universally seen as the worst one.

I definitely include The Black Album with the first 4 albums (and think it's better than all of them), but Load and Reload I'd put in a group of their own. They're not the same era or strength as the first 5, but they don't deserve to be lumped in with St Anger by any stretch either.

And it bugs me when people say something to the effect that DM is their best album since AJFA. Um no. The Black Album kicks the shit out of it. The Black Album is a very well crafted accessible metal album, that is much more complex and layered than a lot of people give it credit for. DM is poorly done recycled thrash.

And TMP IS shit. :lol But we already have another thread for that. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 03, 2013, 06:04:39 PM
Metallica has great songs - immaculate production - great playing from everyone - nice overdubs and guitar harmonies.

DM Is mostly decent songs with awful production, sloppy playing from everyone except james & rob and terrible solos / no vocal harmonies.

Unforgiven III has that orchestrated intro but it's still the worst song on the album / worst unforgiven ( in my book ).

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 03, 2013, 10:07:02 PM
The lack of vocal harmonies is a big one to me. It makes the songs feel incomplete and raw. Obviously they were going for the raw thrash sound, so that's just personal taste, but that's a big one for me.
The Black Album and Load/Reload have a lot of harmonies for Metallica, and that's why I prefer a lot of those songs over their other material. They feel like developed songwriting, with a strong sense of musicality and melody, and not just grunting out an E (which Hetfield had mastered!)

But I only listen to the GHIII version of the album, so the production is just fine. The album was very well recorded, with good guitar and bass tones, and a nice natural drum sound. Unfortunately what ended up on the final album is unlistenable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 04, 2013, 03:13:11 AM
The studio diaries for DM made it sound like it was going to sound fantastic. Such a shame they fell at the final hurdle after all that good work.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on October 04, 2013, 03:23:22 AM
And it bugs me when people say something to the effect that DM is their best album since AJFA. Um no. The Black Album kicks the shit out of it. The Black Album is a very well crafted accessible metal album, that is much more complex and layered than a lot of people give it credit for. DM is poorly done recycled thrash.

Yeah, just because Black Album is more "mainstream and acessible" and DM is "thrash (pretty poor, generic and recycled), they dismiss the better songwriting of the first.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on October 05, 2013, 04:59:58 PM
I like The Memory Remains, come at me bro
To add to this, not only do I really like it, the video is by far my favorite Metallica video.

I just loved that whole 360 swing thing! It just looks so cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 05, 2013, 06:49:05 PM
Watching the movie again, this time with Trujillo in San Antonio, Totally unplanned, pretty cool. Trujillo did a little introduction and now we're waiting for the movie to start.best thing about this is the crowd I met and hanging out with here.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 05, 2013, 07:46:02 PM
* POSSIBLE SPOILER *






Someone mentioned online that the guy's name is Trip because he takes a drug at the start and hallucinates the entire thing.





Slow Start : http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=metallica2013.htm
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on October 05, 2013, 08:24:59 PM
Slow Start : http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=metallica2013.htm
Not really. That total is only up to Wednesday, and it didn't hit wide release until Friday. From the information given there, including the daily numbers, it looks like it actually had a pretty good per-screen average.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow2222 on October 06, 2013, 08:11:38 AM
Ah, the Trip thing does make sense. Why else would that scene be there?

Anyways, the movie was pretty good. I enjoyed the stage gimmicks, and most of the regular movie scenes were pretty entertaining, although they basically made no sense. The concert footage was well captured, and the 3D was amazing. It really added a lot of depth.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:07:05 AM
Lars @ BFI London Q&A  Highlights :

No Thru The Never Tour til After the next album.
•The Thru The Never DVD will feature the entire concert filmed for the movie PLUS the entire narrative seperate from the movie.
•2014 is all about the new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on October 07, 2013, 10:10:12 AM
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:33:40 AM
 :tup He definitely practices. He was never that great to begin with but his playing on the 2012 Black Album anniversary tour compared to the 2004 World Tour was like night and day.

I don't want this to just turn into a Lars sucks thread - but he has admitted to practicing a lot more than usual lately. He'll never be 1988 Lars ever again but he was never that great to begin with [ by his own admission ].

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on October 07, 2013, 10:38:05 AM
Pretty much, I still wouldn't call him a great drummer but at least he's a lot better than in the early 00s.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:39:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBaTbAP-Pu8&t=3m5s

They're pretty solid here except for Kirk's solo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on October 07, 2013, 10:42:27 AM
Everyday I'm thankful that Kirk left Exodus. He's really a detriment these days.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:46:23 AM
He's responsible for helping to write Creeping Death and Enter Sandman but his live solo playing is just non existent.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on October 07, 2013, 10:48:40 AM
Even his solos on Death Magnetic were just not terrible at best.
I'm not saying he hasn't put out great stuff, their past albums speak for themselves, but he's really bad these days.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
Lars has improved in terms of stamina/speed I think, but he still has no sense of timing. He needs to practice with a metronome and re-learn his own music on a technical level. He botches every fill, and every pause just ends up equally short because he doesn't count it out, and the tempos are always just as fast as he can manage, because faster is apparently more thrash or something.

When I saw them live a year or two ago, it felt like the band had just learned to work around his problems and play in time with him regardless of how out of time he was.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:54:58 AM
Back to the front next album.

It's pretty much written in stone that they'll be working on the next album for the vast majority of next year.

Lars mentioned in the Q&A that they will be going into the studio in November / December.

If we take the studio turnaround of Death Magnetic as a template - the next album could be out at the end of 2015 at the latest.

Pretty sure they entered the studio Spring 2006 for DM and it was finished spring 2008 for a September 2008 release.



The Metallica forum is full of people saying " lol 2020 for next album!!!111!!!111 " But I can't see it taking as long as DM took. If they don't do as many Escape From The Studio mini-jaunts then the turnaround will be much quicker.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on October 07, 2013, 10:56:31 AM
Lars has improved in terms of stamina/speed I think, but he still has no sense of timing. He needs to practice with a metronome and re-learn his own music on a technical level. He botches every fill, and every pause just ends up equally short because he doesn't count it out, and the tempos are always just as fast as he can manage, because faster is apparently more thrash or something.

When I saw them live a year or two ago, it felt like the band had just learned to work around his problems and play in time with him regardless of how out of time he was.

Usually when that happens it means it's time to get a new drummer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 10:59:23 AM
I hope they go with a decent producer again this time.

Rick Ruin just turns up once a month and go Yep or Nope and takes all the credit.

They need a decent producer who will help them write the best material - not just say " Do Master Of Puppets again " then goes to a BBQ.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 05:11:22 PM
 :omg: Oh God - i want this rumour to be true !!!!

Word is going around that Kevin Shirley will produce the next album !

•Lars said that the most recent iron Maiden album is a big clue to what their big announcement will be tomorrow.
•Kevin is "moving to California for a while"
•Kevin produced mixed their recent Deep Purple cover - so they might have liked his work .


 :hefdaddy Please let this be true. A Metallica album produced by Kevin Shirley would be amazing. The next best thing to Steven Wilson doing it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2013, 08:44:22 PM
:omg: Oh God - i want this rumour to be true !!!!

Word is going around that Kevin Shirley will produce the next album !

•Lars said that the most recent iron Maiden album is a big clue to what their big announcement will be tomorrow.
•Kevin is "moving to California for a while"
•Kevin produced mixed their recent Deep Purple cover - so they might have liked his work .

I hope that's true. Kevin Shirley knows how to get a great heavy mix, and I'd be confident in him getting Metallica sounding their best.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 09:01:26 PM
Plus FII & Joe Bonamassa albums all sound great.

If Kevin could bring that Ballad Of John Henry sound to Metallica - all's good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2013, 09:12:59 PM
Plus FII & Joe Bonamassa albums all sound great.

If Kevin could bring that Ballad Of John Henry sound to Metallica - all's good.

I'm not familiar with Joe Bonamassa, but he has an excellent track record with DT imo, and the latest Journey album sounds excellent. If anyone can make Metallica sound good again, it's him.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 09:15:09 PM
Listen to the JB song " The Ballad Of John Henry ".

or even " Black Lung Heartache "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 07, 2013, 09:18:49 PM
Driving in car... Unforgiven comes on radio. Sabrina (11) this she hears "Never free lemonade so I dub thee unforgiven"


I can't unhear it now...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 07, 2013, 09:22:51 PM
Enter Sandman :

Dream of War. Dream Of Liars. Dream of Dragons fire.

AND OF BAKED APPLE PIE !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 07, 2013, 09:27:07 PM
Listen to the JB song " The Ballad Of John Henry ".

or even " Black Lung Heartache "

Just checked out Black Lung Heartache. Great sounding production. Check out City of Hope or Edge of the Moment by Journey. A great drum and bass sound on that album.

So how reliable is this Kevin Shirley rumour? I'm going to be really disappointed if it turns out not to be true now. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on October 08, 2013, 02:41:59 AM
Hmmh. I don't really like how Iron Maiden albums produced by Kevin Shirley sound. But then again, he produced FII, so he's not that bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 08, 2013, 05:45:40 AM
I'd love it to be true but it probably isn't.

Mind you - when Rick was rumoured to be producing DM - everyone thought it would be false.

Whoever does it - they seriously need to make a good sounding album again.

Black thru S&M all sounded fantastic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 09, 2013, 08:10:17 AM
Quote
METALLICA's Lars Ulrich has acknowledged in a new interview with U.K.'s Kerrang! magazine that the band's next studio album is unlikely to arrive before 2015 at the earliest. The drummer explained: "Obviously, there are a lot of people asking where the next record is. We're going to make another record, but like I said before, we don't really feel this kind of… what's the word? I guess 'responsibility' is probably the right word. We don't feel this inherent responsibility to just churn out records whenever people want them. [Adopts a sarcastic voice] 'I'm sorry! Let me slap myself on the wrists and go make a record for you!' We'll get 'round to it again."

Haha.. douche, just say you dont wanna do it.
Full article (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-doesnt-feel-responsibility-to-just-churn-out-records-whenever-people-want-them/#7bMkcFozIbsp75zA.99)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 09, 2013, 08:28:20 AM
Well it's a double - edged sword.

If they go in the studio and churn out records willy-nilly every year for the sake of it - then we get albums with a few great tracks and a lot of filler.

( load / reload )

If they feel compelled to take their time and stock up on great material first and get around to it when they feel ready - so be it.

At least they're not like TOOL who keep promising a new album every year but never seem to produce one.

At least Lars tells it like it is - if he says there won't be an album til 2015 then it will be out in 2015.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on October 09, 2013, 09:37:23 AM
Lars is entirely right on that point. They should make music when they want to make music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 09, 2013, 09:44:15 AM
I am a fan that feels they do have a responsibility. Sort of. Responsibility probably isn't the right word, but sometimes you've gotta look at yourself through the fans eyes.

And while they do rotate their set;lists, I feel like they've been playing the same set for the last 7 years or so. C'mon!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on October 09, 2013, 10:32:43 AM
I'm a fan that doesn't give a flying potato fuck how often they make albums but don't appreciate the snob douchebagery of Ulrich's attitude towards the fans who do.
On the other hand  here's how Hetfeild (http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/metallicas-james-hetfield-on-new-album-we-have-tons-of-material-to-sift-through/) responds to the new record question.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 18, 2013, 01:32:39 PM
"Hopefully" start "sometimes in the spring".  :lol

I'm pretty much done with Metallica.



If the next record is great - fantastic. But if it's a stinker - I think they should really call it a day. If it takes them another 7 years to release album #11 then they will all be pushing 60 by then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on October 18, 2013, 01:41:21 PM
They were one of the first metal bands I got into, and I still like their music a lot.  Justice is my favorite...I like how the sound is so "brutal"...my best way of describing it.  Plus it helped me get over a bad breakup, I blasted it in my ears a lot, it kind of numbed me.  Ride is #2, I like the dark vibe of it and the cover, and I don't mind Escape.  I gotta say DM is #3, it's a good mix of new and old.  Load and Reload are just OK to me, they're not as hardcore as the earlier albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 18, 2013, 01:43:17 PM
I like Load & Reload a lot more than most Metallica fans.  I don't mind spinning some of St. Anger now and again and Death Magnetic is just "decent".

But with all their extra-curricular activities - they're slowly becoming more and more of a laughing stock.

They're going to be remembered as the St. Anger 3d movie and Lou Reed album band instead of the Master of Puppets and Black album band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on October 18, 2013, 02:15:02 PM
Hey Lars, I don't think Metallica is at risk of 'churning out records'. It's just a baffling silly thing for him to say, given their output these days. I could see him saying that if they fans were demanding a new record every year or two. However, it's more the fans wondering out of curiosity if they're working on anything, given it has been five years since their last release, and they're saying it will probably be six or seven by the time it's said and done.

Obviously a band has no obligation to the fans to put out records, but when you're only putting out a record every six or seven years, it's not unreasonable for people to ask when you're releasing new material.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on October 18, 2013, 02:32:21 PM
Metallica "churning out records"???  What a joke.  They can't stop touring long enough to make an album, where DT makes an album every 2 years and we never hear of them being broke.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 18, 2013, 04:16:40 PM
Metallica "churning out records"???  What a joke.  They can't stop touring long enough to make an album, where DT makes an album every 2 years and we never hear of them being broke.

DT's business model is a shining example of how to run a band. This is why they've continually grown in popularity for their 30 year career.

If they're not in the studio making a record - they're touring or an album is imminent. There's always something going on with them.

Metallica are either doing mini-tours every so often, doing some bizarre pet project or doing nothing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on October 20, 2013, 11:03:25 PM
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they opened a sports bar chain called The Wing that Should not be.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 21, 2013, 11:42:56 AM
Metallica Anal Bleaching Cream : Whitened is the end !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on October 21, 2013, 06:35:32 PM
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 21, 2013, 07:36:55 PM
Rob might play with his fingers but jason had fucking loads more attitude and could do back up vocals.

Mangini is technically better than Portnoy in every way. ( as far as actual ability & technique goes ).



When Jason left - Metallica did nothing for two years, then released the SKOM movie, released St. Anger, Lulu, Thru The Never and Death Magnetic.


When Portnoy left - Dream Theater carried on writing and releasing great albums as if nothing had happened.


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on October 21, 2013, 08:48:20 PM
Rob might play with his fingers but jason had fucking loads more attitude and could do back up vocals.

Mangini is technically better than Portnoy in every way. ( as far as actual ability & technique goes ).

Well you mentioned vocals for Newstead, which is an area that they are lacking now without MP.


But really, I don't see a comparison. They both quit, that's about it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on October 21, 2013, 09:39:43 PM
In both cases, I'd say it was sad to see the old member go, but in both cases, they brought in someone fantastic.
I would say that DT has done a better job in carrying on as far as new music output goes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on October 21, 2013, 11:15:14 PM
I love Jason as a person and a bass player....but the material Metallica released with him was, to me, the most subpar material.   (with the exception of AJFA, which was not as good as the previous two albums, but was their last GREAT album)

I had really hoped he would go back to F&J at some point.    THAT would have been incredible, and I think it may have taken F&J to a whole new level. 

I had high hopes for his stint with Voivod, but that was disappointing.   And don't get me started on that supergroup....disaster.

Jason is an awesome guy, but he's made some incredibly poor decisions after leaving Metallica. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 22, 2013, 07:50:30 AM
I always thought Jason should front a band but it's a shame that it took him ten years to get around to it.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2013, 09:44:05 AM
Bart, I thought about your post and I hear what you're saying, but I don't really look at it that way. Jason was cool and all, but Trujillo has enough old school cred, and I think has has a better chance of keeping them honest. The problem that is plaguing the Trujillo era is the lack of material. He's been in the band for ten years and they've made one album with him. I'm actually taking it over at least two of the four Jason albums.


And J Dude, I thought F&J lost more when Troy Gregory left them than when Jason left. Their album this year was very disappointing considering Gilbert, Carlson, and Kelly Smith were all back.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on October 22, 2013, 09:54:30 AM

And J Dude, I thought F&J lost more when Troy Gregory left them than when Jason left. Their album this year was very disappointing considering Gilbert, Carlson, and Kelly Smith were all back.

But Troy left a long time ago just as Jason was really hitting the big time with Metallica.   It would have been more ideal if he had returned when he left Metallica around 2000.   If that reunion would have happened, he would have been on the albums from My God going forward. 

But even if he would have still decided to do the thing with Voivod...having him on the last couple of F&J released I think would have been really cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2013, 09:58:00 AM
Yeah it would've. But Jason Ward had been there since Troy left. Bass isn't their problem.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on October 22, 2013, 05:15:29 PM
Bart, I thought about your post and I hear what you're saying, but I don't really look at it that way. Jason was cool and all, but Trujillo has enough old school cred, and I think has has a better chance of keeping them honest. The problem that is plaguing the Trujillo era is the lack of material. He's been in the band for ten years and they've made one album with him. I'm actually taking it over at least two of the four Jason albums.
Respectfully disagree. The lack of new material doesn't explain why their old songs no longer have any balls when they play them now. Part of that is that they're old and they're complacent; not Trujillo's fault. At the same time, I have to wonder if they'd be old and complacent with Newsted still in the band. I saw Newsted essentially front that band during a Summer Sanitarium show, and it was intense as all fuck. Four years later I saw them with Trujillo and it was pretty subdued and lacked liveliness. Quite frankly they seem bored when they play now; just going through the motions.

Well you mentioned vocals for Newstead, which is an area that they are lacking now without MP.
Which led to a switch to a click-track to accommodate sequenced vocals. While I seem to be the only one that cares about that, it is nevertheless a significant change in how they approach the live aspect of their band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on October 23, 2013, 04:15:23 AM
http://www.kerrangradio.co.uk/music/news/metallica-to-play-antarctica-this-december/

Metallica to play in Antarctica?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on October 23, 2013, 04:21:03 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 23, 2013, 04:47:51 AM
GIMME FUEL !

GIMME FIRE !

GIMME GLOVES, HAT AND JACKET !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on October 23, 2013, 11:20:03 AM
more like gimme fuel FOR my fire
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on October 23, 2013, 10:49:15 PM
more like gimme fuel FOR my fire

:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 24, 2013, 07:46:00 AM
more like gimme fuel FOR my fire
(http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/q/image/1354/80/1354804465860.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 24, 2013, 10:09:03 AM
http://www.kerrangradio.co.uk/music/news/metallica-to-play-antarctica-this-december/

Metallica to play in Antarctica?

Is it just me or does this sound like something directly out of a Metalocalypse episode? :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on October 24, 2013, 10:17:33 AM
...aaaaaaaaaaaand Metallica have just announced it on their website & Facebook. DAFUQ
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on October 24, 2013, 10:42:10 AM
What the factual uck.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on October 24, 2013, 11:38:26 AM
And the audience will hear it through headphones - no amplification.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on October 24, 2013, 11:52:04 AM
What's hilarious is that Fall Out Boy thought of it first.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: makleod on October 24, 2013, 04:15:02 PM
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.

That 1989 Seattle show is the best concert DVD hands down.  Metallica was at the top of their game.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on October 24, 2013, 07:01:45 PM
those late 80s/early 90s live shows were off the freaking hook awesome
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on October 24, 2013, 07:10:38 PM
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.

That 1989 Seattle show is the best concert DVD hands down.  Metallica was at the top of their game.

I went to both nights....those shows were amazing.   (it was filmed over two back to back nights)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 24, 2013, 11:49:21 PM
And Justice for All... on the radio on my drive home from dinner. Fuck Yea son!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on October 25, 2013, 07:00:28 AM
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.

That 1989 Seattle show is the best concert DVD hands down.  Metallica was at the top of their game.

Yup, I was just coming into the thread to post this but saw you beat me to it. Hetfield from 85-89 is absolutely untouchable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: makleod on October 28, 2013, 10:49:27 AM
So I was watching this ungodly motherfucker of a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaxKNaEAns) the other night, and something occurred to me. Newsted is the original Portnoy. They both quit. They were both replaced by somebody vastly superior in terms of talent. Both bands took a devastating hit in their live show because of the intangibles that both brought. I really haven't been able to look at either band in the same light with the new guys. No point in having a Portnoy/Mangini discussion; that things been beaten to death elsewhere. Anybody here really think Metallica is the same band with Trujillo, though? The guy's 10x the bass player Newsted was, but that just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's not Metallica anymore, AFAIC.

That 1989 Seattle show is the best concert DVD hands down.  Metallica was at the top of their game.

I went to both nights....those shows were amazing.   (it was filmed over two back to back nights)
Interesting!  Had no idea the Seattle show was over two nights...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on October 28, 2013, 10:51:33 AM
Yeah if you watch Seattle Binge and Purge- Guitars and clothes change during songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on November 12, 2013, 06:48:29 PM
So Het went jamming with some kids. And sang Enter Sandman. In the E tuning. Holy shit, did he just travel to 1994? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSsK5OZvWw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSsK5OZvWw)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 12, 2013, 08:00:38 PM
How awesome would it be to see them start playing all of their pre-Load stuff in E again? A boy can dream.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 12, 2013, 11:49:30 PM
So Het went jamming with some kids. And sang Enter Sandman. In the E tuning. Holy shit, did he just travel to 1994? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSsK5OZvWw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSsK5OZvWw)

I love the top comment -
"the drummer is still better than lars." :lol
The sad part is that the drumming on this song actually is better than Lars manages on that song. Rock solid.

That whole thing was great to see. Original key, no pitch correction, presumably no (or little) practice with these kids. Strangely, Hetfield's pitch was much better when he was using more growl, than when he tried to sing it cleanly.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 13, 2013, 01:39:25 AM
Holy shit, after hearing that I've just realised how much better the guitar sounds in E tuning. Wow. And his vocals sound great! Why don't they just play everything in the tuning that it was recorded in?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on November 13, 2013, 06:26:03 AM
I guess because they're always on the road it's easier for Hetfield's voice if they're toned down... or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 13, 2013, 06:27:03 AM
It's because Lars can't keep up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 13, 2013, 07:21:20 AM
lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 13, 2013, 07:22:21 AM
Holy shit, after hearing that I've just realised how much better the guitar sounds in E tuning. Wow. And his vocals sound great! Why don't they just play everything in the tuning that it was recorded in?

Well being on tour singing for over 2 hours every other night is a little different than singing one song, one night and thats it.  They've been playing a half-step down for years now to, I guess, making it a little easier on James' voice.  The funny thing is, a half-step isn't that much, so I don't know how much easier that actually is on his voice, maybe he feels more comfortable singing in that key now, since they have been doing it so long.  This recording being in E does sound really cool though, and I agree, it totally reminds me how much better the guitar part sounds in E rather than Eb.

It's because Lars can't keep up.

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 13, 2013, 07:47:06 AM
I wonder if the Antarctica gig will get a frosty reception...



:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on November 13, 2013, 08:10:19 AM
I'd be surprised if they don't play Trapped Under Ice.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 13, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
I'd be surprised if they don't play Trapped Under Ice.

Surely it's a no-brainer. But this is the band who played in Mexico for 8 nights and played the same set each night AND played THEIR OWN FESTIVAL named Orion and DIDN'T PLAY ORION.

:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 13, 2013, 06:39:10 PM
Lest we forget Through the Never not being in the movie of the same name? All we need now is a tour called "St. Anger."
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 13, 2013, 06:43:50 PM
And

" The New Album ".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2013, 04:43:58 AM
Lars : " If the 90s were our "slump" then i'm fine with that ".

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that 2000 onwards is Metallica's worst period so far.

- St. Anger - an almost universally panned album.
- Some Kind Of Monster - hilarious and entertaining - if only in a voyeuristic and schadenfreude kinda way.
- 2004 world tour - unbelievably sloppy performances all round.
- Death Magnetic - a decent album - but nowhere near their best by any means - suffers from abysmal sound.
- 3D movie - the movie nobody wanted and almost nobody went to see.
- Lulu - not as bad as it's reputation & not a bona fide Metallica studio album but still a blot on their already filthy copybook.



What say you ?


Compare that to 1991 - 1999 - where they put out The Black Album and from 96 - 99 put out four albums in four years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 22, 2013, 05:17:39 AM
I agree, the 2000s is their slump.

The '90s kicked off with their most successful album by far, which they toured for years. Then they released a double album (which while not great, is still miles better than anything that's come since), and there was Garage Inc (the new material, obviously) and S&M, which were both alright.

Since 2000, they've recorded 2 albums universally considered dog shit, and another that is a poor rehash of music from their prime that only highlights that they're not in their prime any more, and a doco movie that shows how far they've fallen.

The 90's was not up to their '80s stuff overall, but in comparison to what they've done since, I'd gladly have that back.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on November 22, 2013, 05:22:20 AM
I remember when the 'black album" came out almost all the diehard Metallica fans I knew called it a sell out and now they'd give anything to have that sort of album as a new release  :biggrin: Same sort of thing happened with Queensryche Empire.

Personally I rate Master of Puppets much higher than anything before or since.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2013, 05:24:10 AM
I loved being a Metallica fan in the 90s.

They had this cool swagger that the SKOM movie utterly destroyed. Cunning Stunts was my first live Metallica experience and at the time - it sounded absolutely flawless to me and I pretty much watched it to death  -

- to the point where if the sound was down and I saw 5 seconds from the concert I knew what song and what line was playing :lol

I played Reload to death in 1997 - whilst playing Tomb Raider on ps1 and it just seemed to work.

S&M blew me away too. The idea of a Metal band and an orchestra. It just seemed to be so obvious.

I disappear was the last remnants of that era of Metallica. From then on it was just one "wtf?!" after another.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2013, 05:27:17 AM
If we're doing "decades" Then surely 1983 - 1993 is the best decade since it includes all their best albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 22, 2013, 05:31:23 AM
SKOM was an embarrassment, and is cannot believe they did a behind the scenes movie like that.

It was incredible footage. I really felt bad for Kirk during it.

The best part though was Rob's audition.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 22, 2013, 05:37:15 AM
I wish they'd gone with the original idea - which was to be a making-of the new album documentary.

I'd have enjoyed that. The parts in the movie where they're actually working on music and recording are the best IMO.

I know James wanted Metallica to be seen "as real people" - but they ( meaning James and Lars ) came across as

extremely spoiled. Not least in the radio section where they don't understand that they get played on this one station so they have to

do a jingle for them in return. :lol

" What ? They won't play our music unless we do something for them ?! Let's write a song about this ! "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 22, 2013, 09:35:39 PM
Compare that to 1991 - 1999 - where they put out The Black Album and from 96 - 99 put out four albums in four years.

That's quite a stretch. Load and Reload are one album's sessions. You already know that so I'm not pretending that you weren't aware but just highlighting that fact as a backdrop for the rest of my point. Half of Garage Inc. was rereleased covers from earlier in their career which I'm pretty certain you're aware of as well considering how much you like them. S&M, while a fantastic performance which I love to this day, includes exactly two new tracks and -Human is quite ho-hum anyway. No Leaf Clover is swell though.

In total, we have one original album which was admittedly (by Lars in an interview in the mid-90s) stretched into two so that Metallica could more quickly fulfill their current (at the time "current") contractual obligation and negotiate a new deal. Many bands write two albums or more worth of material for a single album and have the good sense to trim it down to make a stronger single album. Metallica opted to not do that and the legacy of those two albums, by and large, is that most people legitimately like 5-10 songs from those 27 and have a fairly negative view for the majority of the remaining tracks. Also, most folks seem to only have that "Wow!" feeling toward like 3-5 of those songs.

So, the point I'm trying to establish is that the "four albums in four years" angle is, at best, one bloated album, other bands' songs, and a live album with one good new song (once again, an excellent performance though.)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 22, 2013, 10:54:38 PM
Yeah, Metallica is a sinking ship now..
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 23, 2013, 03:06:16 AM
Yeah, Metallica is a sinking ship now..
:tup
The whole " we're got 5 new songs....we'll start writing soon....after this movie.....around christmas....in the new year.....in spring.....after the antarctica gig....."

I'm usually quite patient but they really don't want to make a new album.

If they'd split in 1999 - S&M would have been the perfect send off with none of the shit that was to come.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 23, 2013, 03:08:14 AM

So, the point I'm trying to establish is that the "four albums in four years" angle is, at best, one bloated album, other bands' songs, and a live album with one good new song (once again, an excellent performance though.)

It's still a better run than anything they've put out since.

If I had to choose between erasing from existence Load, Reload, S&M and Garage

or

St Anger, Death Magnetic, Lulu & Thru The Never 

- I know which i'd choose.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Marion Crane on November 23, 2013, 09:24:24 AM
Yeah, Metallica is a sinking ship now..

It's hilarious that you think arguably the biggest rock band on the planet is a sinking ship. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on November 23, 2013, 09:35:30 AM

So, the point I'm trying to establish is that the "four albums in four years" angle is, at best, one bloated album, other bands' songs, and a live album with one good new song (once again, an excellent performance though.)

It's still a better run than anything they've put out since.

If I had to choose between erasing from existence Load, Reload, S&M and Garage

or

St Anger, Death Magnetic, Lulu & Thru The Never 

- I know which i'd choose.

I'd erase everything from Load to St. Anger myself. But I'm that cantankerous bastard who was actually around in the 90s when Metallica was anally raping their legacy on a regular basis in every interview, so I might not be the best judge.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 23, 2013, 11:40:59 AM
Yeah, Metallica is a sinking ship now..

It's hilarious that you think arguably the biggest rock band on the planet is a sinking ship.

Then its one gigantic sinking ship.

Sadly, its what I feel about Metallica. Death Magnetic was ok, I enjoy a few songs, but I don't think they can do that again. Also, I don't consider Lulu a Metallica album. Its a Lou Reed album Feat. Metallica, NOT a Metallica album feat. Lou reed..you don't know how much it bugs me when people consider that album theirs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on November 23, 2013, 11:43:22 AM
They may not be a sinking ship *financially*....but I think BJ was referring to Metallica on a CREATIVE level.

And on that point...I wholeheartedly agree. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 23, 2013, 11:48:15 AM
Yeah. Metallica was their last truly great album. L&R had some great songs stretched over two albums and then they were truly out of ideas. They've been running on fumes since then. Taking an average of 6 years between studio albums.



And yes - Lulu was mostly Lou Reeds idea. And it was his album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 23, 2013, 11:49:02 AM
They may not be a sinking ship *financially*....but I think BJ was referring to Metallica on a CREATIVE level.

And on that point...I wholeheartedly agree.

Exactly....it was cool getting another Fade to Black with the awesome One outro.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on November 24, 2013, 11:01:04 AM
I've heard on a few occasions that basically, Het would like to record more often, and that basically Lars dragging his feet keeps that from happening. These rumors are probably exaggerated because of what a lot of people think of Lars at this point, but it seems like something with an edge of truth to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 24, 2013, 12:02:30 PM
I've read a quote from Het that he's actually ashamed of how few albums they've put out in 30 years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 24, 2013, 12:22:31 PM
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.

1. Where the Wild Things Are
2. Carpe Diem, Baby
3. Bleeding Me
4. FiXXXer
5. Prince Charming
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 24, 2013, 12:29:44 PM
1. The Outlaw Torn
2. Bleeding Me
3. Until It Sleeps
4. Fixxxer
5. Hero of the Day

Some hard choices though. Honourable mentions: Carpe Diem Baby, Where The Wild Things Are, Low Man's Lyric and Ronnie.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 24, 2013, 12:45:08 PM
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.

1. Where the Wild Things Are
2. Carpe Diem, Baby
3. Bleeding Me
4. FiXXXer
5. Prince Charming

Something along those lines but maybe replace Prince Charming with Outlaw Torn.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 24, 2013, 02:20:19 PM
1. Outlaw Torn
2. Bleeding Me

(appreciation of the above songs were reinforced by the amazing S&M versions of both)

3. The House That Jack Built
4. Where the Wild Things Are
5. Carpe Diem Baby
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 24, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
1. Outlaw Torn
2. Bleeding Me

(appreciation of the above songs were reinforced by the amazing S&M versions of both)

3. The House That Jack Built
4. Where the Wild Things Are
5. Carpe Diem Baby

Yeah most of the Load / Reload songs were awesome on S&M. Especially Outlaw Torn and Hero of the Day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on November 24, 2013, 03:26:27 PM
ReLoadered EP

1. Fuel
2. King Nothing
3. Until it Sleeps
4. No Leaf Clover (Live)

The only post Black Album 90s Metallica I care about.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on November 24, 2013, 07:54:52 PM
The Outlaw Torn
Bleeding Me
Fixxxer
Carpe Diem Baby
Until It Sleeps
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 24, 2013, 08:33:26 PM
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.

1. Where the Wild Things Are
2. Carpe Diem, Baby
3. Bleeding Me
4. FiXXXer
5. Prince Charming

The only one of those I even like at all is Bleeding Me, and it's at the bottom of my list. :lol

Hero of the Day
Unforgiven II
Fuel
Until It Sleeps
King Nothing

The top 4 are pretty much equal for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on November 24, 2013, 11:01:35 PM
I'm not sure.  Hero of the Day would definitely be my number one, and The Unforgiven II would definitely be my number two.  After that, there are several contenders.  I'll think it over a bit and come back to this.

Yes, I overthink things.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on November 24, 2013, 11:14:38 PM
In no particular order:

Outlaw Torn
Fixxxer
Carpe Diem
Bleeding Me
Thorn Within

Honorable mention to Wild Things, which would probably make the list at 6th.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JRundquist on November 24, 2013, 11:18:19 PM
Outlaw Torn
Hero Of The Day
Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
Carpe Diem Baby
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on November 25, 2013, 02:40:39 AM
The Outlaw Torn
Bleeding Me
Prince Charming
Low Man's Lyric
Ain't My Bitch
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on November 25, 2013, 03:48:42 AM
In no order;

Unforgiven II
Ain't My Bitch
Until it Sleeps
Bleeding Me
Outlaw Torn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on November 25, 2013, 07:17:25 AM
Outlaw Torn
Bleeding Me
















the rest
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2013, 07:19:35 AM
Unforgiven II is the best them IMO.

I like it better than the first song and the third one is way last - the production doesn't help either.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ7FiNfCQAAdfsR.png)



Here's my playlist of all the "slower, ballad-ier " songs from Load / Reload.


Now that they've done their old school thrash metallica album - I wouldn't mind at all if they did an album of slower songs like this.

At this point - i don't really care what they do - it's the *songs* that need to be good. Whatever style they are.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 25, 2013, 08:25:27 AM
I'll never understand all the fuss about Load. Maybe Re-Load, but that one isn't so bad either.

All in all, I thought it was a nice diversification of the Metallica sound. It definitely still sounded like Metallica, albeit with slower, groovier and bluesier grooves and more melodic songwriting. There's something to be said for the quality of the vocals as well, which IMO are probably the best they've ever had.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2013, 11:16:37 AM
Everything about the quality of the recordings is better with Bob Rock.

Except for Saint Anger - but that was intentionally a messed up album.

And at least it's not brickwalled to all buggery.

The instruments sound weird but the actual album itself is mastered nicely.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on November 25, 2013, 12:46:38 PM
St. Anger is only weak because the complete absence of variation in the songwriting. They've got some catchy hooks and grooves on that one though. No problem with the production, it's suitable and it makes it unique.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 25, 2013, 03:10:45 PM
I played Reload to death in 1997 - whilst playing Tomb Raider on ps1 and it just seemed to work.
:metal Funny I almost did the same thing but instead of Reload (which I did listen to at the time) I played Accident Of Birth by Bruce Dickinson while playing Tomb Raider 2.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 25, 2013, 03:18:24 PM
Outlaw Torn
Ain't My Bitch
Fuel
Bleeding Me
Wasting My Hate
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2013, 03:23:56 PM
I played Reload to death in 1997 - whilst playing Tomb Raider on ps1 and it just seemed to work.
:metal Funny I almost did the same thing but instead of Reload (which I did listen to at the time) I played Accident Of Birth by Bruce Dickinson while playing Tomb Raider 2.  :lol

For some reason - Reload over Tomb raider on ps1 just clicked. And then the video for Unforgiven II came out and they're in a cave and I was like Whoa...  :eek
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tom Bombadil on November 25, 2013, 04:32:17 PM
1. Hero of the Day
2. Until it Sleeps
3. Ain't my Bitch
4. King Nothing
5. Bleeding Me

So yeah, I prefer Load by a wide margin.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on November 25, 2013, 05:41:01 PM
Load eats Reload for breakfast.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2013, 06:49:54 PM
http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/metallicas-rob-trujillo-weve-been-busy-writing-and-in-the-studio-with-rick-rubin/

:lol Posting for the lols.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 25, 2013, 07:28:17 PM
I'll never understand all the fuss about Load. Maybe Re-Load, but that one isn't so bad either.

All in all, I thought it was a nice diversification of the Metallica sound. It definitely still sounded like Metallica, albeit with slower, groovier and bluesier grooves and more melodic songwriting. There's something to be said for the quality of the vocals as well, which IMO are probably the best they've ever had.

I'm not trying to break your balls or anything but that post is kind of a head scratcher. Load/Reload sound absolutely nothing like any of their first four albums in any way at all. At best, they sound like a very watered-down black album. There really just isn't any connection between the Loads and anything prior to the black album when you consider James' startling transition to a twangy hard rock singer (not his fault, obviously; most of us know about his vocal cords being blown out while recording So What), Lars' shameless departure from even attempting to sound like he can play drums at even the most elementary level, and Kirk's leads becoming even more one-dimensional than ever before. Add to all of that, the shift to E-flat (once again, not their fault as I'm sure it was to protect James' fucked up vocal cords) plus the weak-ass distortion they used on the guitars and you have 27 songs that sound like they were thrown together by some southern rock band with zero background in metal but liked the black album a little bit and figured they'd have a go at making some songs in that style but in their own southern way.

As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

Fight Fire With Fire: 3:01-3:23
Fade to Black: Basically the entire song
Creeping Death: 5:24-6:03
The Call of Ktulu: Majority of the song

Master of Puppets: Entire middle section
Sanitarium: Majority of the song
Orion: Second half is legendarily melodic
Damage Inc.: Intro

Blackened: 4:07-4:31
...And Justice For All: Intro, 5:06-5:26
Eye of the Beholder: 4:25-4:49
One: Majority of the song
Harvester of Sorrow: Most of the song is based off a clean-tone arpeggio
To Live is to Die: Intro, 4:29-6:19 (in fact, the part from 4:57 of this section onward is considered to be the pinnacle of all of Metallica's melodic work by a sizable chunk of their fan base)

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 25, 2013, 08:20:40 PM
To Live is to Die: Intro, 4:29-6:19 (in fact, the part from 4:57 of this section onward is considered to be the pinnacle of all of Metallica's melodic work by a sizable chunk of their fan base)

Not taking away from anything you just said, but just had to point out, the raw emotion on James' solo here blows ANY Kirk solo out of the water.  ANY Kirk solo, across the whole catalogue, in terms of raw emotion.  Something about his limited knowledge in terms of soloing techniques, scales etc and his heavy reliance on traditional blues pentatonic licks make this solo sing so beautifully.  Such a fitting tribute to Cliff.

Carry on.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 25, 2013, 08:24:22 PM
James is miles better than Kirk at creating solos.

Kirk may know all the technical shit - but James is just better.

Every solo on Death Magnetic played by James is a stand out.

Kirk literally does the exact same thing in every solo and James plays from the gut and plays the perfect thing for the song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on November 25, 2013, 08:30:24 PM
James is miles better than Kirk at creating solos.

Kirk may know all the technical shit - but James is just better.

Every solo on Death Magnetic played by James is a stand out.

Kirk literally does the exact same thing in every solo and James plays from the gut and plays the perfect thing for the song.

I haven't been big into metallica for some time but I was "back in the day" and even when listening to their best album IMHO (Master of Puppets) I always felt I liked Metallica despite Kirk rather than because of him.   I find him one of the least inspiring guitarsits of that era.  I think he probably had one lesson in open chords and what a wah pedal is from Joe Satriani :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on November 25, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I have always thought that James is a better lead player than Kirk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 25, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
I wouldn't say he was a better lead player than Kirk, but as Kotowboy said, he plays from the gut, and with far more emotion than Kirk.  I'd say the closest Kirk gets to sounding anywhere near as 'emotional' as James is his first solo in Orion maybe.  But even Cliff has a way nicer solo than him in that ha.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 25, 2013, 08:42:44 PM
James is miles better than Kirk at creating solos.

Kirk may know all the technical shit - but James is just better.

Every solo on Death Magnetic played by James is a stand out.

Kirk literally does the exact same thing in every solo and James plays from the gut and plays the perfect thing for the song.

I haven't been big into metallica for some time but I was "back in the day" and even when listening to their best album IMHO (Master of Puppets) I always felt I liked Metallica despite Kirk rather than because of him.   I find him one of the least inspiring guitarsits of that era.  I think he probably had one lesson in open chords and what a wah pedal is from Joe Satriani :)

I always wondered if Kirk got the idea for the Aeolian run that ends his intro solo in Fade to Black from Satriani.  That simple scale over those chord changes... just seems too genius to have come from Kirk :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 25, 2013, 08:42:58 PM
DTF be all like lolKirk.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 25, 2013, 08:45:27 PM
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.

On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.

I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on November 25, 2013, 08:48:41 PM
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.

On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.

I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.

I think the difference here is vocal melody verses melodic sections in the music.  Load/Reload = infintely better vocal melodies, I agree, but nowhere near as good as golden era Metallica in terms of melodic themes etc in the music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 25, 2013, 08:50:26 PM
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.

On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.

I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.

So an abundance of half-hearted, rednecky vocal melodies/harmonies over Eb m pentatonic fills makes something more melodic than what I cited above? Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win. Bottom line? Quantity is not automatically better than quantity.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 25, 2013, 09:05:29 PM
As for melody? The golden three were their best era for melody almost unquestionably. Each album starts off with better-written melodic sections than anything you'll find on the Loads and that's just the start.

LOL no way. The thrash era albums are great, with the riffs, and the melodic guitar sections by Hetfield, but 90% of it is just Hetfield grunting the same note over a thrashed E. The vocal sections have very little variation.

On Reload and Load especially, he actually SINGS, and there are a lot of good harmonies, and melodic riffs, instead of just thrashing E as fast as possible. The Black albums also leaves the first 4 albums for dead in that regard.

I'm not saying that makes Load/Reload better, because I still think they're overall weakly written albums, but there's no way they're not more melodic then the repetitive formula of the first 4 albums.

So an abundance of half-hearted, rednecky vocal melodies/harmonies over Eb m pentatonic fills makes something more melodic than what I cited above? Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win. Bottom line? Quantity is not automatically better than quantity.

We get it, you hate Load/Reload! I didn't ignore you list, but making a list doesn't prove they're more melodic. It just proves they have melody. I could easily do the same for Load, but all I'd get is a response like this anyway, where you'd ignore my laundry list. We'd just go around in circles. Ain't nobody got time fo dat!

As I said, I don't think Load/Reload are strong albums overall, but that doesn't mean they're complete write offs in every regard. I'd probably even take my least favourite of the first 4 albums over Reload. But by the very definition thrash, melody is often the exception, not the rule. The fact Metallica managed to include as much melody as they did on those albums is probably what set them apart from the other thrash bands. And when they did it, it was excellent.
But the songs still largely follow the same formula of "sing E over an E riff for verse, sing F# over an F# riff for the prechorus, back to E for the chorus". Hetfield has a total range of maybe 4 notes across those albums. As great as the songs were, it was overall very primitive compared to TBA and Load/Reload.
I'm not talking about quality here, or quantity. I'm just talking about melody.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on November 25, 2013, 09:57:03 PM
Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win.

Personally, I think it's amusing how you think having a laundry list means you're right. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 26, 2013, 12:48:00 AM
I'm really late to give my fave five on the Load/Reload albums but here's mine.

1. Ronnie
2. Wasting My Hate
3. The Memory Remains (Every time I see the words, "that's the cage's music," I will think back to Wrestlemania 28 where that song was the Hell in a Cell's actual entrance theme).
4. Until It Sleeps
5. Unforgiven II
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 09:53:34 AM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

This is your chance to vote for Frayed Ends of Sanity.

Plus the first kinda "in print" official news that they will indeed be in the studio in 2014.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on November 26, 2013, 09:56:45 AM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

This is your chance to vote for Frayed Ends of Sanity.

If that was me, I'd rather vote for a song I'd actually want to hear.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 26, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
That's actually pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 10:07:26 AM

If that was me, I'd rather vote for a song I'd actually want to hear.

Cool Story Bro.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
If we go by the Death Magnetic timeline - "Death Is Not The End" was debuted on 06/06/2006 in Germany and the album was out in September 2008.

This means the album is on course for September 2016. But if they will be in the studio for most of 2014 - then late 2015 is not out of the question...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on November 26, 2013, 10:13:50 AM
Eight fucking years. That's a new record (pun intended).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 10:15:15 AM
Eight fucking years. That's a new record (pun intended).

Yeah and we all know why ( who ) that is.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on November 26, 2013, 11:11:43 AM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

Oh yeah, Astronomy baby!

Aww shucks. Only ticket holders can vote, and I'm not bothering to go to Helsinki just for Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 11:31:37 AM
It will still be fun / interesting to see what gets voted for at each gig.

As long as The Black Album fans don't all vote for Sandman and Sad But True :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 26, 2013, 12:29:16 PM
Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win.

Personally, I think it's amusing how you think having a laundry list means you're right.

I never said that so I have no idea where you're coming from with that unless you're just jumping the gun because I didn't qualify it with the needless "imo" that everyone should know isn't necessary when you're stating something that is obviously subjective in the first place.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 12:47:37 PM
I didn't qualify it with the needless "imo" that everyone should know isn't necessary when you're stating something that is obviously subjective in the first place.

IN YOUR OPINION









:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 26, 2013, 12:48:30 PM
:getoffmylawn:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on November 26, 2013, 01:05:06 PM
Also, it's amusing how you completely ignored my laundry list of why the golden three win.

Personally, I think it's amusing how you think having a laundry list means you're right.

I never said that so I have no idea where you're coming from with that unless you're just jumping the gun because I didn't qualify it with the needless "imo" that everyone should know isn't necessary when you're stating something that is obviously subjective in the first place.

Oh, no, that's not what I was going for at all.  Sorry for being unclear.  It's just that listing the melodic sections from those albums doesn't really mean anything, because nobody said that those albums didn't have melodic sections.  If someone did say that, your list would be an effective response, but, again, nobody said that.  Nobody's denying that RtL, MoP, and AJFA have some great melodic sections.  What they did say was that Load and Reload are more melodic, which your list does nothing to address.

And personally, I do agree.  While the thrash albums definitely do have some outstanding melodic sections, Load and Reload tend to be more melodic overall.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bosk1 on November 26, 2013, 01:24:38 PM
Alrighty y'all, what's everyone's Load/Reload top 5? Ties within the top 5 are fine but just keep the list to exactly 5 songs. If you have some ties that would make the list longer than 5, just put those other songs in a brief paragraph below the list.

To be completely honest, I can't remember 5 songs on those albums.  I never really cared for them that much and lost interest very quickly.  That isn't to say there aren't 5 (or more) good songs.  I just don't have those albums and don't remember much of what was on them.  But Metallica was a very hit and miss band for me.  I consider 4 albums to be "must have" material:  Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, And Justice For All, and the black album.  I love almost every single song on those four.  But outside those 4, there isnt' a single album from them that I have or want to have. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on November 26, 2013, 01:31:20 PM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

Oh yeah, Astronomy baby!

Aww shucks. Only ticket holders can vote, and I'm not bothering to go to Helsinki just for Metallica.
The thing about voting on setlists is that you never actually see the votes, and you can just assume that they'll be greatest hits. If they do play Sandman and S&D for the 1 billionth time, could you really say "there's no way those songs won!"? My guess is that you get a rudimentary greatest hits set leaning more towards the early years. You'll still get Fuel and probably Cyanide, as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on November 26, 2013, 01:31:55 PM
Oh, no, that's not what I was going for at all.  Sorry for being unclear.  It's just that listing the melodic sections from those albums doesn't really mean anything, because nobody said that those albums didn't have melodic sections.  If someone did say that, your list would be an effective response, but, again, nobody said that.  Nobody's denying that RtL, MoP, and AJFA have some great melodic sections.  What they did say was that Load and Reload are more melodic, which your list does nothing to address.

And personally, I do agree.  While the thrash albums definitely do have some outstanding melodic sections, Load and Reload tend to be more melodic overall.

No worries dude. Actually though, that's exactly what I was addressing in my list. Basically, my take is that regardless of how much some folks may wanna criticize the (by their assertions, not mine) one-dimensional vocals and reliance on fast open-string riffs, that still doesn't compromise the thrash era's overall melodic value enough to make the lazy, bluesier sound of the Loads more melodic than the gorgeous melodic sections found on the golden three. They have some pretty moments like Until it Sleeps, Bleeding Me, Where the Wild Things Are, and Low Man's Lyric, but as far as I'm concerned just about everything else on the Loads is less melodically awesome than any of what I cited in the laundry list. I base this on comments I've read here and at other sites coupled with the fact that I can't even recall one person irl talking about the melodic virtue of the Loads.

Essentially, it seems to me like I may be arguing the melodic value of the golden three while y'all are arguing the melodic quantity of the Loads. Is this so? If so, then we haven't even been debating the same subject.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 01:41:13 PM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

Oh yeah, Astronomy baby!

Aww shucks. Only ticket holders can vote, and I'm not bothering to go to Helsinki just for Metallica.
The thing about voting on setlists is that you never actually see the votes, and you can just assume that they'll be greatest hits. If they do play Sandman and S&D for the 1 billionth time, could you really say "there's no way those songs won!"? My guess is that you get a rudimentary greatest hits set leaning more towards the early years. You'll still get Fuel and probably Cyanide, as well.


It says on the site that you'll be able to see the results as they happen . . . so we'll see what that means.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on November 26, 2013, 01:47:42 PM
Essentially, it seems to me like I may be arguing the melodic value of the golden three while y'all are arguing the melodic quantity of the Loads. Is this so?

... Sort of, but not really.  To me, this really isn't a question of quality or quantity; instead, it's a question of focus.  I feel like on the Loads, melody is the focus.  Whereas on the thrash albums, yes, there are melodic sections, but there are other priorities that tend to take precedence over melody.  I guess you could call this an issue of quantity. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on November 26, 2013, 02:08:35 PM
Well in MY opinion ( ;D ) -

- i think that Saint Anger is the most melodic.



And by "Saint Anger" - I mean " Death Magnetic"


And by "melodic" - I mean " Distorted".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on November 26, 2013, 02:11:18 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: carl320 on November 28, 2013, 08:31:45 AM
I'm late as well to the Load/Reload list:

Fixxxer
The Memory Remains
The Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
Carpe Diem Baby

I like Load, but have always preferred Reload to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on November 28, 2013, 08:37:08 AM
www.metallica.com

Metallica are playing a Brand New Song on tour next summer and fans get to vote on the remaining 17 songs for the gig they go to.

Oh yeah, Astronomy baby!

Aww shucks. Only ticket holders can vote, and I'm not bothering to go to Helsinki just for Metallica.
The thing about voting on setlists is that you never actually see the votes, and you can just assume that they'll be greatest hits. If they do play Sandman and S&D for the 1 billionth time, could you really say "there's no way those songs won!"? My guess is that you get a rudimentary greatest hits set leaning more towards the early years. You'll still get Fuel and probably Cyanide, as well.
I liked what Anthrax did for The Greater Of Two a Evils. IIR, they kept the results up to date. They ended up sticking some songs on there that didn't rate, but it was pretty consistent with the voting I think.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 02, 2013, 03:52:47 PM
http://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=61

Very predictable. Frayed Ends WAS #10 but now it's slipping down rapidly and surprise surprise - Sad and Sandman are both there.

sigh...


Take Frayed Ends out of that poll and you have a very ordinary Metallica setlist. Well done everyone. :slowclap:

You have the opportunity to hear ANY Metallica song you want and you vote for the ones they play most frequently.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 02, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
Well, in fairness, I want to point out that first-timers are likely going to want to hear the live favorites.  Don't get me wrong, I understand the appeal of varied setlists, and I get that people who have seen a band multiple times are going to get tired of hearing the same songs again and again.  But you have to keep the newbies in mind, too.  I know that I would have been severely disappointed if they hadn't played Enter Sandman at my first Metallica show. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
I'm surprised Whiskey is so high.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 02, 2013, 06:45:07 PM
I've never seen Metallica live but If they didn't play Sad, Sandman or Nothing - i'd actually Prefer that.

I'd like instead : Mama Said or Carpe Diem Baby instead of Nothing. King Nothing Instead of Sandman and Devil's Dance instead of Sad But True.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2013, 06:48:48 PM
I never got the hype for Sad But True.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on December 02, 2013, 06:53:00 PM
I would've picked something like Disposable Heroes - deep cuts off the classics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 02, 2013, 07:17:02 PM
I would've picked something like Disposable Heroes - deep cuts off the classics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsBPln1a2dk

This is an awesome version of that song.  :metal  Enjoy !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 02, 2013, 07:18:24 PM
I never got the hype for Sad But True.

It's good on the album but it's never good live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 02, 2013, 07:28:20 PM
Here's a random set I'd like;

Blackened
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Master of Puppets
Whiplash
Thorn Within
The Struggle Within
Invisible Kid (yeah, that's right)
The Thing That Should Not Be
The Shortest Straw
Ain't My Bitch
Astronomy
Creeping Death
Sanitarium
Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
The Call of Ktulu
Damage Inc.

Fight Fire With Fire
One
Fade to Black
Battery
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on December 02, 2013, 07:37:25 PM
I would've picked something like Disposable Heroes - deep cuts off the classics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsBPln1a2dk

This is an awesome version of that song.  :metal  Enjoy !

Cool - thanks.   Not sure if there's enough bass in there  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 02, 2013, 11:19:50 PM
Here's a random set I'd like;

Blackened
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Master of Puppets
Whiplash
Thorn Within
The Struggle Within
Invisible Kid (yeah, that's right)
The Thing That Should Not Be
The Shortest Straw
Ain't My Bitch
Astronomy
Creeping Death
Sanitarium
Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
The Call of Ktulu
Damage Inc.

Fight Fire With Fire
One
Fade to Black
Battery

I'm in  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 03, 2013, 12:27:19 AM
http://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=61

Very predictable. Frayed Ends WAS #10 but now it's slipping down rapidly and surprise surprise - Sad and Sandman are both there.

sigh...


Take Frayed Ends out of that poll and you have a very ordinary Metallica setlist. Well done everyone. :slowclap:

You have the opportunity to hear ANY Metallica song you want and you vote for the ones they play most frequently.
Disgusting. Not enough rarities in there. I'd actually want a song or two from St. Anger in there.

I never got the hype for Sad But True.

It's good on the album but it's never good live.
Indeed. I love it on the album but it just lacks a punch live.

Here's a random set I'd like;

Blackened
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Master of Puppets
Whiplash
Thorn Within
The Struggle Within
Invisible Kid (yeah, that's right)
The Thing That Should Not Be
The Shortest Straw
Ain't My Bitch
Astronomy
Creeping Death
Sanitarium
Unforgiven II
Bleeding Me
The Call of Ktulu
Damage Inc.

Fight Fire With Fire
One
Fade to Black
Battery

 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on December 03, 2013, 03:58:31 AM
Looking back at that set I wrote, I like it.  It has a couple of the classics in there but lots of rare songs and songs that you wouldn't think of.  Seems to flow okay too.  Even throwing the odd Thorn Within and Invisible Kid would work well mixed in the set.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 03, 2013, 04:18:40 AM
Finally watched Some Kind of Monster in it's entirety. Wow, that's a long haul....but somehow I manage to regain some respect for the guys for sticking to their guns. Found myself rooting for them in the end....sappy me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 03, 2013, 08:27:09 AM
I like how it kinda lightens up for the final act. Although i'd have preferred their original idea which was to make a film about making an album.

Although they kinda did that with Mission Metallica.

However - my one niggle is that - at no point did anyone explain exactly "why" St Anger sounds so uncompromising.

It was supposed to sound like a band making their first album - but in this day and age - anyone can afford decent production.




Some of the extra footage on the DVD is better than the actual film . Like the Ja Rule scene. Just a load of absolutely talent-free

spongers sitting around gambling while their vocalist just shouts some shit into a microphone. :lol classic comedy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on December 03, 2013, 09:52:52 AM
http://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=61

Very predictable. Frayed Ends WAS #10 but now it's slipping down rapidly and surprise surprise - Sad and Sandman are both there.

sigh...


Take Frayed Ends out of that poll and you have a very ordinary Metallica setlist. Well done everyone. :slowclap:

You have the opportunity to hear ANY Metallica song you want and you vote for the ones they play most frequently.
Well yeah, that's the whole problem with this "by request" thing. You just get a generic setlist of all the popular stuff that they play all the time anyway.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on December 03, 2013, 10:55:13 AM
I would've picked something like Disposable Heroes - deep cuts off the classics.
Brilliant choice.

I thought this voting thing would be the opportunity for some hard core fans to pick some slightly more obscure songs yet fan favorites, but no, same old stuff. Quite disappointing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on December 09, 2013, 06:05:58 AM
Pics and setlist from their Antarctica gig yesterday:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/metallica_perform_in_antarctica_official_photos_and_setlist_available.html (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/metallica_perform_in_antarctica_official_photos_and_setlist_available.html)

Can't believe they didn't play Trapped Under Ice.

(http://cdn.ustatik.com/_img/news/other/994091_10151794087140264_1583678795_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on December 09, 2013, 06:09:35 AM
lol Antarctica? Wow.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on December 09, 2013, 11:33:59 AM
lol Antarctica? Wow.

Penguins are Metallica fans too! :JayOctavarium: :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 09, 2013, 12:01:27 PM
I can't believe they actually did it.   :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 09, 2013, 12:31:53 PM
Officially in Dethklok territory. I hope they play on the top of a volcano next.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 09, 2013, 01:45:49 PM
On the top of?

Try in.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 09, 2013, 02:09:54 PM
Metallica doing a tour inside active volcanoes in 2016.

The Fight Fire With Fire Tour.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on December 09, 2013, 02:24:08 PM
No
Jump In the Fire Tour.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 09, 2013, 03:00:49 PM
 :metal Gimme Fuel

Gimme FIRE !!!


WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING INA VOLCANO LARS ?!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on December 09, 2013, 03:16:24 PM
No
Jump In the Fire Tour.

Set list, of course, doesn't include Jump In The Fire.

Actually, this would be a dreadful idea. They've been obsessed with stage sets falling apart and (since Hetfield's mishap with the pyro) things being on fire in the show since the late 80s. They'd cause the volcanoes they were playing in to erupt and bury the audience in six foot of ash.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 09, 2013, 03:52:14 PM
Sounds pretty damn metal to me.   :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 10, 2013, 03:46:57 AM
Btw, judging from those pics, Hammet's getting grey....although it suits him, somehow... :D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 10, 2013, 08:49:48 AM
:lol i'm pretty sure Hetfield is totally white now under the hair dye .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bosk1 on December 10, 2013, 02:52:04 PM
Full set:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7USiW1LQCU

Guitars kept going a bit out of tune, but I guess when it's that cold, there's not much you can do about stuff like that.  Overall, pretty cool performance.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on December 14, 2013, 03:35:37 PM
FUCK YES METALLICA IS COMING DOWN TO BOGOTA

I also found this James' quote about Load:
Quote
I'm still happy with 'Load' but I've stopped listening to it. It came to a point after recording it that I just couldn't stop listening to it because it was so powerful, but after a year or so of it was like "Well, that's enough!". I wish that I could play more songs of it, like "Bleeding Me". We like that song, we like to play it and it's pretty intense but back when we did the fan reaction was kind of "Bluuuuuh" so we stopped playing it. People could start asking us "Why don't you play 'Bleeding Me' anymore?" and we could answer it's their fault".

What do you think?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on December 14, 2013, 03:47:29 PM
http://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=61

Very predictable. Frayed Ends WAS #10 but now it's slipping down rapidly and surprise surprise - Sad and Sandman are both there.

sigh...


Take Frayed Ends out of that poll and you have a very ordinary Metallica setlist. Well done everyone. :slowclap:

You have the opportunity to hear ANY Metallica song you want and you vote for the ones they play most frequently.

After the song shuffled on today (with the crazy bass cover/boost from GH), it really is a shame this has NEVER been played live. Wouldn't the intro chants be killer live? I didn't think the song was *that* hard, but then again, I'm not a drummer and it probably is for Lars.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on December 14, 2013, 04:11:22 PM
Wouldn't the intro chants be killer live?
They are. They play the intro in most of their shows to get the people sing along. Then they play something else, usually the cover song of the concert.


On the other hand Here's the Buenos Aires poll
(http://s29.postimg.org/v8wu56lva/buenosaire.jpg)
mitebcool
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 14, 2013, 04:22:31 PM
Woah.   :omg:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 14, 2013, 04:39:54 PM
Check the other polls. The Buenos Aires one will probably also turn into a greatest hit show like others, given time. It's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on December 14, 2013, 04:46:36 PM
Wouldn't the intro chants be killer live?
They are. They play the intro in most of their shows to get the people sing along. Then they play something else, usually the cover song of the concert.



Ahh. That's a nice little, lame twist; the song we never played to get excitement, then into a cover when we have 9 albums of original content!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 14, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
Check the other polls. The Buenos Aires one will probably also turn into a greatest hit show like others, given time. It's just ridiculous.

I know I'm the odd one out here, but I'm afraid I honestly don't see what's so ridiculous about it.  Having seen a number of the live hits myself, I felt they were excellent choices for the live atmosphere, and I don't blame people for wanting to hear them. 

Here's the way I think about it: if you're going to your first Metallica concert and you desperately want to hear the hits, should you vote for more obscure choices just to be cool, or should you vote for what you actually want to hear?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 14, 2013, 05:18:18 PM
Check the other polls. The Buenos Aires one will probably also turn into a greatest hit show like others, given time. It's just ridiculous.

I know I'm the odd one out here, but I'm afraid I honestly don't see what's so ridiculous about it.  Having seen a number of the live hits myself, I felt they were excellent choices for the live atmosphere, and I don't blame people for wanting to hear them. 

Here's the way I think about it: if you're going to your first Metallica concert and you desperately want to hear the hits, should you vote for more obscure choices just to be cool, or should you vote for what you actually want to hear?

I see your point there.  Then again, to some that haven't seen a Metallica show, but have seen a lot of live footage and proshots of them playing the greatest hits songs, I can understand it if people want to see them play something a little more obscure which may make their 1st experience more special.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on December 15, 2013, 02:06:44 AM
Check the other polls. The Buenos Aires one will probably also turn into a greatest hit show like others, given time. It's just ridiculous.

I know I'm the odd one out here, but I'm afraid I honestly don't see what's so ridiculous about it.  Having seen a number of the live hits myself, I felt they were excellent choices for the live atmosphere, and I don't blame people for wanting to hear them. 

Here's the way I think about it: if you're going to your first Metallica concert and you desperately want to hear the hits, should you vote for more obscure choices just to be cool, or should you vote for what you actually want to hear?
If I'm going to see ANY band live, whether it's for the first time or the tenth time, I want to hear a mix of songs from across their catalogue. That Knebworth list only includes one song post-Black Album, which is a cover song. That's incredibly narrow and boring.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 15, 2013, 02:35:13 AM
Well, just to clarify, I'm not trying to say that you guys are wrong for wanting to hear more variety.  I just think it's kind of natural that the results of a poll like this are going to lean toward the already established live favorites. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 15, 2013, 04:50:14 AM
For me - i've heard so many Metallica live recordings from their website that If i saw them for the first time - i'd want mostly rare stuff. That would make it that more special that you got to hear those never-played songs and not Sad, Seek, Sand AGAIN.
Title: Not Marco Minneman, goddamnit!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 15, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
Seek and Destroy would be a good song if it was by AC/DC but, for Metallica, it's bland even when compared to the rest of KEA. I can sincerely say that everything other than Hit the Lights and Metal Militia is better than it. Some days I even like MM better too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on December 15, 2013, 03:46:14 PM
Just watched a few moments from the Antarctica gig. James Hetfield still got it! I expected much less, considering the age. Still a powerful voice, still quite a lot of range! And 'Fade To Black', he still has good pitch control as well!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 15, 2013, 06:50:31 PM
He said in an interview recently that he's been doing extra training and working on it a lot more.

If you listen to the Kill Em All DeeHan set - he does some crazy vocal stuff at that gig. Including the highest note he's probably ever sung.

He's probably the only one of the Big Four who can still actually sing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 15, 2013, 08:35:33 PM
He's probably the only one of the Big Four who could ever actually sing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 17, 2013, 02:41:38 AM
Any setlist you guys would like to see if you were to go and see them live on one of these Pick-A-Setlist shows? Mine would be something like this, in no particular order:

Jump in the Fire
Phantom Lord (incl. slower bit in the middle)
For Whom The Bell Tolls
Creeping Death
Damage, Inc.
Welcome Home (Sanitarium) or Disposable Heroes
Blackened (incl. slower part guitar solo)
...And Justice For All
Frayed Ends of Sanity
Shortest Straw
The Struggle Within
My Friend of Misery
2x4
The House Jack Built
Where The Wild Things Are
Unforgiven II
Purify
Astronomy
That Was Just Your Life

For me it's a mix of songs I really like from the albums which have never been played live before (or which haven't been played that much and would be really great to see) and some classics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 17, 2013, 12:28:42 PM
I suck at designing actual setlists, so this is really just a list of Metallica songs I would love to hear live:

Jump in the Fire
Ride the Lightning
Fade to Black
The Thing that Should Not Be
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
The Frayed Ends of Sanity
Of Wolf and Man
King Nothing
Hero of the Day
The Unforgiven II
Dirty Window
All Nightmare Long

That's at least one from every album, and two each from my favorite albums (RTL, MOP, and Load).  I've never had the chance to see any of these performed live, and if I got to see them all in one setlist, it would probably be my favorite concert ever.  Plus, I think there's still room for a few live staples, so throw in Master of Puppets, One, and Creeping Death. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 17, 2013, 01:20:36 PM
I don't get what people like about Dirty Window. I think it's one of the weakest songs on St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on December 17, 2013, 01:22:21 PM
I didn't know that people liked Dirty Window.  Kinda thought I was the oddball on that one.   :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 18, 2013, 11:50:17 AM
I don't get what people like about Dirty Window. I think it's one of the weakest songs on St. Anger.

It's a great high energy song, bro.

Also... Projector Protector Rejector Infector Projector Rejector Infector Injector Defector Rejector!

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on December 18, 2013, 12:38:09 PM
Well, just to clarify, I'm not trying to say that you guys are wrong for wanting to hear more variety.  I just think it's kind of natural that the results of a poll like this are going to lean toward the already established live favorites. 
Oh definitely, that's why I don't think it's a very good idea.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 18, 2013, 03:06:08 PM
For whatever reason - Dirty Wndow is the only song on SA which is in Db. All the other songs bar Invisible Kid and Un-named feeling are in C.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 18, 2013, 09:51:30 PM
Dirty Window is one of the few good songs on St Anger, along with the title track and Shoot Me Again. The rest is poop.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 18, 2013, 11:22:50 PM
St. Manure
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 18, 2013, 11:23:17 PM
St. Manure

Round your neck?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 19, 2013, 12:48:00 AM
Yep. Couldn't flush it out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 19, 2013, 12:49:38 AM
:lol

I'd make another lyrical pun, but that just about covers all 3 lines of lyrics in the entire song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 19, 2013, 03:29:27 AM
That's why Kirk and Lars shouldn't write lyrics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 19, 2013, 05:35:33 PM
Dirty Window was one of the only standouts on SA for me.

AND NOW I SLAM MY GAVEL DOWN is a pretty awesome line, dat delivery.  I'm glad they learnt what the actual name for a 'judgement hammer' was.  Took them 20 odd years but hey.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 19, 2013, 08:11:17 PM
Dirty Window was one of the only standouts on SA for me.

AND NOW I SLAM MY GAVEL DOWN is a pretty awesome line, dat delivery.  I'm glad they learnt what the actual name for a 'judgement hammer' was.  Took them 20 odd years but hey.

:lol I think that instance was trying to use a more lyrical phrasing.
I love the delivery on that line too, the way it slows down gradually, then kicks back in to full tempo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on December 19, 2013, 10:50:16 PM
To tell you the truth, I think Frantic and the title track are among the weakest from SA.   

Dirty Window
Some Kind of Monster
Sweet Amber
It's My World
Shoot Me Again

Those are just off the top of my head.   I'd be happy to hear any one of these songs in regular rotation.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on December 21, 2013, 12:22:03 PM
For me, AWMH is easily the best on that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on December 21, 2013, 12:32:01 PM
To tell you the truth, I think Frantic and the title track are among the weakest from SA.   

Dirty Window
Some Kind of Monster
Sweet Amber
It's My World
Shoot Me Again

Those are just off the top of my head.   I'd be happy to hear any one of these songs in regular rotation.

The day St. Anger came out, my local radio station played Shoot Me Again, and after it, the DJ came on and did something I had never heard a DJ do before or since. He said more or less, look, this album is awful, but we have to play it. Somehow he kept his job.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on December 21, 2013, 08:12:42 PM
I've had It's My World stuck in my head for two days now. Love that song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 21, 2013, 08:15:10 PM
I listened to Frantic for the first time a few days ago.

I enjoyed it, but probably mostly for the LOL factor.













MY LIFESTYLE
DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on December 21, 2013, 10:50:51 PM
To tell you the truth, I think Frantic and the title track are among the weakest from SA.   

Dirty Window
Some Kind of Monster
Sweet Amber
It's My World
Shoot Me Again

Those are just off the top of my head.   I'd be happy to hear any one of these songs in regular rotation.

The day St. Anger came out, my local radio station played Shoot Me Again, and after it, the DJ came on and did something I had never heard a DJ do before or since. He said more or less, look, this album is awful, but we have to play it. Somehow he kept his job.  :rollin

:lol thats awesome.  I always wondered why DJ's don't show any opinion on the music they have to play.  If I was one I couldn't help but say, 'Well... that was shit' at the end of like a Katy Perry song or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on December 21, 2013, 11:59:58 PM
St Anger has always struck me as an album that could have actually been pretty good with a few tweaks here and there. There are some good ideas present. It just could have benefited from a bit of reworking.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 22, 2013, 01:39:24 AM
Oh yeah, definitely. There's some really good stuff on that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 22, 2013, 07:29:00 AM
I've always loved that lengthy riff bridge in Purify.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on December 22, 2013, 07:36:13 AM
Agreed. Purify is one of my favourite songs on the album. The lyrics are not really amazing and the verses are not that good but the rest of the song is just amazing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on December 22, 2013, 08:54:54 AM
St. Anger could be really good album. There is something good on every track. But the songs are poorly written, often too lengthy and the production sucks.

Doesn't the tempo on Dirty Window suddenly accelerate when the drums kick in? Sounds stupid.

I also found this James' quote about Load:
Quote
I'm still happy with 'Load' but I've stopped listening to it. It came to a point after recording it that I just couldn't stop listening to it because it was so powerful, but after a year or so of it was like "Well, that's enough!". I wish that I could play more songs of it, like "Bleeding Me". We like that song, we like to play it and it's pretty intense but back when we did the fan reaction was kind of "Bluuuuuh" so we stopped playing it. People could start asking us "Why don't you play 'Bleeding Me' anymore?" and we could answer it's their fault".

What do you think?

Load is a great album, and if I were to see them live, I'd probably go nuts if they played any of its songs, even Poor Twisted Me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on December 26, 2013, 08:03:32 PM
Any setlist you guys would like to see if you were to go and see them live on one of these Pick-A-Setlist shows?

Also as a bunch of songs, not as a setlist:

Phantom Lord
The Call of Ktulu
Battery
Master of Puppets
The Thing That Should Not Be
Orion
Blackened
...And Justice for All
To Live Is to Die
Dyer's Eve
The Unforgiven
Of Wolf and Man
Until It Sleeps
Bleeding Me
Cure
Thorn Within
The Outlaw Torn
Devil's Dance
Where the Wild Things Are
Prince Charming
Low Man's Lyric
Turn the Page
Astronomy
The Small Hours
The Prince
Sweet Amber
The Unnamed Feeling

It's been long since I've heard Death Magnetic, so I'm leaving it out. Also, if I had to choose just seventeen songs, I'd leave out everything pre-Load (save TTTSNB and Orion), because the five first albums dominate the polls.

So far I haven't get what is so great about The Unforgiven II or FiXXXer (I always use capital X's, because it resembles how the title is written on ReLoad booklet), since they are often mentioned when people make lists about their favourite Load/ReLoad-songs. To me they are good songs, but The Unforgiven II is not as good as The Unforgiven or FiXXXer as The Outlaw Torn.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 28, 2013, 02:10:13 PM
BREAKING NEWS !!

Metallica care more about a fucking VEST than a new album (http://www.metallica.com/news/20131223-431159.asp)

:lol :lol :lol

This band is pure comedy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 28, 2013, 02:23:27 PM
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/MojoFilter99/Stupid%20Stuff/e14807ff.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 29, 2013, 11:20:35 AM
Quote
this piece of heavy metal history
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 29, 2013, 02:35:39 PM
Quote
this piece of heavy metal history

 :rollin Metallica make a movie which is basically them playing live with an extremely slap-dash "narrative" with a mcguffin stolen from Pulp Fiction and suddenly they're high brow historical film makers.

They probably see the extremely low box-office as a good thing. A hugely successful blockbuster movie is too mainstream or something !

They only want hipster movie buffs to see it :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on December 29, 2013, 05:04:10 PM
Hmmm, that whole "they only made three million on the boxoffice for the movie" made me relook at the wiki page.  When I saw that number, $21 million, I'm like wtf?

(http://i.imgur.com/8RCnXup.png)

That wiki page led me to this page, which I don't know if this source is credible enough.

http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/metallica-through-the-never-2013?q=through

I really doubt that they made a profit on the boxoffice.  I do believe that they would make their money back on the DVD due to the extras and all of that good stuff or is that included in the boxoffice as well?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 29, 2013, 05:14:09 PM
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=metallica2013.htm

I use this site.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on December 30, 2013, 10:59:06 AM
I usually use BoxofficeMojo for these sorts of things, but in this case, it looks like they never got around to updating the page with foreign box office figures.

The ~$3,000,000 figure is just what it made in Canada and the US.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on December 31, 2013, 02:07:29 PM
I'm a big fan of St. Anger. I really like it. Don't get why so many people hate it. Maybe it's mostly big metalheads who dislike it, big fans of thrash and early Metallica. It's heavy and raw and full of anger, and anger fueled energy; but not the type of energy and speed metalheads want.

I think it's one of their best albums. And the lack of guitar solo's really works to it's advantage. The guitar work is great. Pure riffage. Any guitar solo's would have felt out of place. I hear so many songs by so many bands that have solo's that just don't fit or even ruin the song (DT I'm looking at you).

I'm curious, does Metallica play many St. Anger songs live?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on December 31, 2013, 02:13:20 PM
I'm a big fan of St. Anger. I really like it. Don't get why so many people hate it. Maybe it's mostly big metalheads who dislike it, big fans of thrash and early Metallica. It's heavy and raw and full of anger, and anger fueled energy; but not the type of energy and speed metalheads want.

I think it's one of their best albums. And the lack of guitar solo's really works to it's advantage. The guitar work is great. Pure riffage. Any guitar solo's would have felt out of place. I hear so many songs by so many bands that have solo's that just don't fit or even ruin the song (DT I'm looking at you).

I'm curious, does Metallica play many St. Anger songs live?

Get out of my head!  I've been saying this for 10 years!

Although, I will put in the caveat that it does *sound* terrible.   I had a drummer in my garage days that sounded EXACTLY like Lars drum on the SA album...so there is a bit of nostalgia talking.    But it is really tough to listen to for a straight hour. 

The songs themselves (IMO) are fantastic.  Far better than the three albums before it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on December 31, 2013, 04:22:40 PM

The songs themselves (IMO) are fantastic.  Far better than the three albums before it.

:rollin

Saint Anger better than Load and Metallica !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on December 31, 2013, 04:39:47 PM
I'm a big fan of St. Anger. I really like it. Don't get why so many people hate it. Maybe it's mostly big metalheads who dislike it, big fans of thrash and early Metallica.

Sorry but you're wrong  :-*

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on December 31, 2013, 04:42:37 PM
Okay here's why I didn't like St. Anger.

Lousy production values, awful songs that were two minutes of ideas stretched out to eight minutes, clearly striving to keep up with the nu-metal kids, artificial aggression, godawful lyrics-did I mention that the most successful heavy metal band of all time deliberately made it sound worse than a two track demo from 1981?

St. Anger is the sound of a band having a mid-life crisis and putting it onto CD.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on December 31, 2013, 04:46:27 PM
Basically, if an unknown band released St. Anger, no one would have cared about it?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on December 31, 2013, 09:02:02 PM
Exactly. It's F-150core. Just watch truck commercials that try to use metal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on December 31, 2013, 09:05:29 PM
I dislike St Anger because most of the music is terribly written and terribly performed. It really shouldn't be a mystery why most people hate it. It has nothing to do with being a metal fan or thrash fan etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 31, 2013, 09:28:35 PM
Honestly, I get that some people like it. That's their business. But I don't know why people feel the need to find some ulterior motive for a record isn't well liked. Sometimes people just don't like it, it's as simple as that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on December 31, 2013, 11:55:36 PM
Okay here's why I didn't like St. Anger.

Lousy production values, awful songs that were two minutes of ideas stretched out to eight minutes, clearly striving to keep up with the nu-metal kids, artificial aggression, godawful lyrics-did I mention that the most successful heavy metal band of all time deliberately made it sound worse than a two track demo from 1981?

St. Anger is the sound of a band having a mid-life crisis and putting it onto CD.

well put. i'll probs steal this word for word, memorize and recite style.

Basically, if an unknown band released St. Anger, no one would have cared about it?

i can't imagine so. except that i can imagine so, as garbage becomes popular all the time, as evident by most of that which is popular, was popular, and always has been popular.
but also, i can't imagine so. not now, not then, not ever.

The songs [on St. Anger] (IMO) are fantastic.  Far better than the three albums before it.

Dan Briggs rescinds your interview request  :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 01, 2014, 01:20:36 AM
For anyone who is interested in actual good music that has that raw garage sound, good riffs, and intelligently-written music, check out Byzantine's debut, The Fundamental Component. Their more recent releases are a bit more polished but this has a real charm to it the way it sounds like a garage band with legit chops tried to make a decent-sounding album but were without the funds to do it thus making the finished product pleasantly listenable with a raw edge.

Highlights include: Hatfield, Stick Figure, Slipping on Noise, and The Filth of Our Underlings.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 01, 2014, 01:31:54 AM
I realize my opinion(s) is not a popular one around here.

I really like the drum sound. It worked really well considering the sound they went for. It DOES sound like a garage band, and im sure part of it was intentional. After all, Metallica started out as a garage band.

When i heard it being described as Metallica trying to fit in with the nu-metal bands, it made me think. But I really don't think they were trying to fit in with any trend. They're fucking Metallica. They do what they want. Maybe they are just fed up with these trends, in pop AND underground/metal. They didn't want to put in solo's if they didn't want to, maybe they're tired of shit like that. And of course people only complain. Then they do Death Magnetic, which is exactly what so many who have been shitting on them have been wanting to hear, and they shit on it. I'm glad they did Lulu, because they wanted to and obviously knew making it what most of you would think. But they did it anyways. I can't fucking wait to hear what they do on their next album. Apparently it's going more in the direction of Death Magnetic, and taking it farther into thrash. Can't wait to hear how people pick it apart ;p

They're evolving musically to this day, and if you watched the documentary you can see that St. Anger is a product of all their lives during that time. I want to defend St. Anger against all the people bagging on it, but this is all i can really say. Some people will respond saying 'yea, and its shit' or whatever. Opinions.

To me, St. Anger is not shit. Listening to it i can really see and feel and hear so much emotion that was put into and comes out of these songs. Mostly Hetfield's. The documentary honestly helped me appreciate the album even more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 01, 2014, 05:39:55 AM
I enjoy St Anger but there's no way that it's a better album than "Metallica".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 01, 2014, 05:52:26 AM
I enjoy St Anger but there's no way that it's a better album than "Metallica".

The Black Album is a masterpiece. St Anger is a terrible bloated mess with only a few decent tracks that can't redeem it. Not even a comparison. St Anger isn't even a match for Load, Reload or Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 01, 2014, 07:21:36 AM
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Then they do Death Magnetic, which is exactly what so many who have been shitting on them have been wanting to hear, and they shit on it.

Yeah I have been saying that myself for a while now.

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To me, St. Anger is not shit. Listening to it i can really see and feel and hear so much emotion that was put into and comes out of these songs. Mostly Hetfield's.

Well said.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 01, 2014, 10:27:42 AM
I became a Metallica fan long after the Black Album, Load - Reload and St. Anger debacles so I pretty much approached each of those albums without any of the baggage of being a thrash metal fan. Actually, the first Metallica I recall hearing is when I got burned copies of Reload and The Black Album from a friend. I remember liking Reload a lot more at the time and thinking The Black Album was just straight up boring.  :lol

Actually, listening to TBA and Reload put me off Metallica for a couple of years. Aside from a few songs, as albums they did nothing for me. I think I ended up hearing a few of their earlier, thrash stuff on the radio and that, coupled with the fact that I was big into Megadeth at the time, made me decide to check out their earlier stuff. I bought Ride The Lightning and THAT made me a fan. My opinion of TBA has improved a lot over time, but for some reason, I just don't love it as much as others do and I have no idea why. The songs are all great (mostly...) but they leave absolutely no mark on me. I listen to it and then I'm done. I don't think about it unless someone brings it up or I hear one of the songs somewhere. I don't think I've ever consciously thought to myself "Man, I WANT to listen to TBA!"  It's usually more of a "I should give it a listen again and see if my opinions have changed" and then I don't because it's TBA and I immediately forget about it.

As for St. Anger, all of my Metallica friends said it was shit so I went in with super-low expectations and.... it was shit. It's not completely irredeemable, but the entire album would need to be reworked in order to salvage some of the good parts. The songs all need to be chopped in half, Lars needs to get some fucking drums and throw out the pieces of sheet metal that he was wailing on and, while I understand the desire to have a more 'raw, garage' sound, not many other bands have abandoned plane hangers as garages. Whoever described St. Anger as nu-metal clearly has no idea what nu-metal is. St Anger is... St. Anger. It's very unique and I give Metallica props for that, but unique does not mean 'good.' I guess I can see why people might like St. Anger but I think the reasons for not liking it are very apparent and obvious even if some are as simple (and silly) as 'It's not Master of Puppets!'
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 01, 2014, 10:38:00 AM
There are plenty of personal, emotional songs on the Loads. Making ugly music to go along with them doesn't make them *more* emotional.


I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...


The fact is - Metallica have not released an album of original material with great production married with great songs since Load in 1996.

Pushing 20 years.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 01, 2014, 12:33:47 PM
The fact is - Metallica have not released an album of original material with great production married with great songs since Load in 1996.

Since Black Album for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 01, 2014, 12:59:04 PM
I'm surprised i don't hear more load (semen) jokes. In fact, i don't remember ever hearing any. Also surprising considering how the album cover was created (read wikipedia entry).

I really like the song St. Anger too. When it first came out i remember hearing someone compare it to Linkin Park...I can kinda see why, but also i don't. It was just the best song to release as the single. I like it more then Frantic.

St. Anger was very unique. Everything about it. Wish i could say it'll  be seen as a classic in years to come, but i don't think so. I'm always so disappointed to hear and read negative comments about it, especially by musicians i like. It's a very misunderstood album. But it's great to see that Metallica is still #1. They truly are the biggest metal band, dead or alive. I wonder who will be the first band to take their place.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on January 01, 2014, 01:06:18 PM
I finished early with my Load jokes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 01, 2014, 02:07:18 PM
St. Anger was very unique. Everything about it. Wish i could say it'll  be seen as a classic in years to come, but i don't think so. I'm always so disappointed to hear and read negative comments about it, especially by musicians i like. It's a very misunderstood album.

I give up, you're too stubborn... if it was a album by f*ucking (insert a band like Swans, Boris, etc..) or whatever, but is St. Anger man, you talk about it like it was a complex piece of art  :huh:
You like the album, fine, but it's just like Shadow Ninja said early.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 01, 2014, 02:17:51 PM
But it's great to see that Metallica is still #1. They truly are the biggest metal band, dead or alive. I wonder who will be the first band to take their place.

Well, music > popularity so, i couldn't care less.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on January 01, 2014, 02:25:53 PM
I'm surprised i don't hear more load (semen) jokes. In fact, i don't remember ever hearing any. Also surprising considering how the album cover was created (read wikipedia entry).


Metallica fans who hated it went with the more obvious low hanging fruit of "load of shit", actually.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 01, 2014, 03:08:45 PM
But it's great to see that Metallica is still #1. They truly are the biggest metal band, dead or alive. I wonder who will be the first band to take their place.

Well, music > popularity so, i couldn't care less.

If Mastodon keep going the way they are then they'll have put out more great albums than Metallica soon.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 01, 2014, 03:10:26 PM
I could think of probably a dozen bands that have put out more great albums than Metallica....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 01, 2014, 03:37:26 PM
They're the best selling metal band, that's for sure. I used to be a die hard Metallica fan, but I haven't been that for a few years now. I still like most of their albums and songs and know most of it by heart, but there are a lot of bands that have made more and better metal albums. It's all opinion of course, but Metallica being the best selling and most well known metal band doesn't do anything for me. There are loads of bands that I think are better and I don't think measuring the quality of a band by looking at its fame, how big it is or how much it sells is a good way to do it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 01, 2014, 04:21:24 PM
I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...

How is the aggression "fake" and how are you able to tell it's fake?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 01, 2014, 07:27:17 PM
KILL KILL KILLL KILLLLL !!! KILLLL AAIIIIIIIII KILLL !!!!! KILL KILL !!!!!!!!!

 :metal DROP C TUNING ! ARE WE BR0000TAL Z YET !!! KILLLLLL
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 01, 2014, 08:03:32 PM
I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...

How is the aggression "fake" and how are you able to tell it's fake?

I seem to recall a lot of Some Kind of Monster blabbing about how happy and calm they all are, and Hetfield directly saying how you don't need to be angry to write angry music.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on January 02, 2014, 01:10:18 AM
I'm a big fan of St. Anger. I really like it. Don't get why so many people hate it. Maybe it's mostly big metalheads who dislike it, big fans of thrash and early Metallica. It's heavy and raw and full of anger, and anger fueled energy; but not the type of energy and speed metalheads want.

St.Anger is alright. The Unnamed Feeling is a top 10 Metallica song for me. Some songs just would have needed serious re-working.

I think it's one of their best albums. And the lack of guitar solo's really works to it's advantage. The guitar work is great. Pure riffage. Any guitar solo's would have felt out of place. I hear so many songs by so many bands that have solo's that just don't fit or even ruin the song (DT I'm looking at you).

When you take into account the solos on ReLoad, it surely is better to have no solos at all! :lol :loser:

I'm curious, does Metallica play many St. Anger songs live?

Very rarely since Madly in Anger with the World tour.

I really like the song St. Anger too.

It has a great main riff and amazing calm verses, but I wish it was less thrashy.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 02, 2014, 01:54:27 AM
I'm saying i love how a band with such giant popularity, like i said the most popular metal band in the world, does something so different as St. Anger.

Today I started listening to Lulu online. And I'v watched the live performances of it songs. As i already stated, i love how they do these experimental things. They clearly knew what they were doing and how fans would react. It's awesome and i have a lot of respect for them because of that.

And I realize i have different taste in, well, everything. Honestly a lot of my tastes in music/film/art would be described by many as being artsy(-fartsy). So it's no surprise to myself my enjoyment and respect for the sound of St. Anger, and Lulu. I really dig Lulu's sound; heavy metal, cool riffs, spaced out and textured music. Lou Reeds poetry is so enigmatic and spoken with emotion, underneath his droning voice ;p Such interesting language, mixed into music that's without structure. I'm so not surprised by the ridicule it gets. This is more for the art crowd. The underground art scene. The New York art scene much have a few Lulu fans i'm sure.

I just like being the oddly opinionated one here with odd opinions i'm very opinionated about ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on January 02, 2014, 02:59:55 AM
The problem is that although SA und Lulu are "different", they're not really "artsy". Being different doesn't automatically make an album (or in this case, two albums) good, when the music and lyrics are totally forgettable and uninspired.
And I'm not sure if St Anger really is unique. Yeah, it doesn't sound like any other Metallica album, but I feel they were just trying to follow the nu-metal trend, as others already mentioned, and failed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 02, 2014, 03:07:10 AM
I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on January 02, 2014, 03:09:23 AM
I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.

“and failed"
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 02, 2014, 03:30:23 AM
Sure, I know. Maybe I should have said "I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds anything like St. Anger". I think that regardless of whether you like St. Anger, you'll have to admit the sound is kind of unique. They might have wanted to make something like the nu-metal trend going on back then, but they have created something that has some influences from nu-metal but really doesn't sound like it at all. I don't see it as an attempt to make a nu-metal album and failing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on January 02, 2014, 04:41:53 AM
I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.

“and failed"
Er, no.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like St. Anger, but it has nothing to do with nu-metal, and I have absolutely no idea why you would think that was what they were going for.

I think they wanted to go for a garage rock vibe - raw and simple. If that's what they wanted then they got the right sound, so fair play to them, I just don't really enjoy the songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 02, 2014, 06:28:37 AM
KILL KILL KILLL KILLLLL !!! KILLLL AAIIIIIIIII KILLL !!!!! KILL KILL !!!!!!!!!

 :metal DROP C TUNING ! ARE WE BR0000TAL Z YET !!! KILLLLLL

Compelling argument.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 02, 2014, 08:56:33 AM
Compared to The Outlaw Torn or f.i.x.x.x.e.r which is just masterful in every way it sounds embarrassingly childish.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 02, 2014, 09:24:52 AM
I'll throw my support toward those who think it sounded like nu-metal. I listened to that "genre" for a few years and nu-metal was the first thing that came to mind when I heard SA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 02, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
I haven't heard any nu-metal that sounds like St. Anger.

“and failed"
Er, no.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like St. Anger, but it has nothing to do with nu-metal, and I have absolutely no idea why you would think that was what they were going for.

I think they wanted to go for a garage rock vibe - raw and simple. If that's what they wanted then they got the right sound, so fair play to them, I just don't really enjoy the songs.

I never saw any correlation to nu-metal at all.   When I think of "nu metal", I think of bands like Korn....and there was always a bit of that "electronic element" thrown in.   For me, that's one of the defining characteristics of "nu-metal" because it's one of the things that set it apart from other metal bands at the time.    Not that it hadn't been done before...but Korn really popularized it as a sound.

I don't think SA had any elements of that whatsoever.   Just sounds like an attempt at the "garage band" sound. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 02, 2014, 09:36:57 AM
I guess if I listen hard enough I can hear some of the nu-metal influences, but I still don't think SA sounds all that nu metal at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on January 02, 2014, 11:41:44 AM
St. Anger isn't nu-metal.

It's Metallica's attempt to be nu-metal.

There's a difference. The thing that throws people off is the god awful production values. But basically it's Metallica trying to write an album that appeals to those nu-metal kids out there with their angsty angry lyrics and their lack of guitar solos which ran head on into the decision to make it sound like pure D shit.

You gloss that up with a good production and trust me, you'll see where people are coming from. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 02, 2014, 11:52:04 AM
I'd much rather have an album of " Outlaw Torn " and " Mama Said " than fake aggression like on " All Within My Hands " ...

How is the aggression "fake" and how are you able to tell it's fake?

KILL KILL KILLL KILLLLL !!! KILLLL AAIIIIIIIII KILLL !!!!! KILL KILL !!!!!!!!!

 :metal DROP C TUNING ! ARE WE BR0000TAL Z YET !!! KILLLLLL

Compelling argument.

I'd say so. and I'd also say Kotowboy is my personal favorite at, and objectively winning, this thread.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 02, 2014, 01:41:50 PM
I don't think of St. Anger as nu-metal. I believe one of the main reason it's sometimes called nu-metal is because of the lack of solo's. St. Anger is well know by many as being an album where Metallica chose not to perform guitar solo's.

I kinda see why some may accuse it of being nu-metal. But at the same time i really don't believe it is. The garage band sound of it is not something you hear in nu-metal. Nu-metal usually has very polished and deeply crushing heavy and simple riffs. This is not St. Anger. But i can see why someone might say it.

And i don't think of St. Anger as being a super artistic record. Just a more experimental record then usual that took a risk.

I love the term Art-Rock and Art-Metal. This is not Metallica, but they've done a few things that are around the Art-Rock neighborhood ;p The orchestra performance i have not heard except No Leaf Clover. But with this and Lulu, Metallica shows that they are more ambitious in the artistic expression area then most other popular metal and rock bands.

But I call Lulu an Art-Rock album. Just listen to it. Metallica is quite and artsy band sometimes. I wonder what they'll do in the future. Clearly they still have a strong desire to create music and are more willing then ever to  do new things.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 02, 2014, 01:52:35 PM
Huh, "artsy" is not a term I think I've ever heard applied to Metallica... :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on January 03, 2014, 03:41:55 AM
I really don't think that SA und Lulu are disliked due to being so "artsy" (which they honestly aren't) and different, but simply because of the terrible songwriting and lyrics.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 03, 2014, 11:58:28 AM

I'd say so. and I'd also say Kotowboy is my personal favorite at, and objectively winning, this thread.

I cannot, and therefore won't, understand that sentence.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 03, 2014, 11:59:32 AM

I seem to recall a lot of Some Kind of Monster blabbing about how happy and calm they all are, and Hetfield directly saying how you don't need to be angry to write angry music.

That was Lars yeah. Which made no sense to me. How can you say that you can make aggressive music without feeling aggression when you've clearly been at each other's throats for the past 2 years ? :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 03, 2014, 07:01:46 PM

I seem to recall a lot of Some Kind of Monster blabbing about how happy and calm they all are, and Hetfield directly saying how you don't need to be angry to write angry music.

That was Lars yeah. Which made no sense to me. How can you say that you can make aggressive music without feeling aggression when you've clearly been at each other's throats for the past 2 years ? :lol

Because they set their anger free. SET IT FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

*sloppy double kicker*
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on January 03, 2014, 07:10:10 PM
Medium tempo riffs, with a share of them being on one string. Chords rarely venture away from the lowest two strings. Said riffs are on lower, drop tuned guitars (a first and only time in their career), and the aforementioned solos being absent. These are all things associated with numetal, and the style was finishing its run of main popularity during the sessions.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 03, 2014, 07:59:32 PM
You know.  All of this talk about St. Anger makes me want to listen to the album again.  Maybe, it is not as bad as I thought it was the last time I played in its entirety. Famous last words.

I think the one problem I had with the album is that the album kinda dragged on and made some of their songs a heavy chore to listen to. 

The opposite can be said about Death Magnetic since songs like That Was Just Your Life, All Nightmare Long, The Judas Kiss, and The End of the Line, amongst others, despite being 7-8 min. songs, were so very enjoyable that it did not feel like the song length.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 03, 2014, 08:07:47 PM
You know.  All of this talk about St. Anger makes me want to listen to the album again.  Maybe, it is not as bad as I thought it was the last time I played in its entirety. Famous last words.

I think the one problem I had with the album is that the album kinda dragged on and made some of their songs a heavy chore to listen to. 

The opposite can be said about Death Magnetic since songs like That Was Just Your Life, All Nightmare Long, The Judas Kiss, and The End of the Line, amongst others, despite being 7-8 min. songs, were so very enjoyable that it did not feel like the song length.

While not as bad as St Anger, I felt DM was very padded to artificial song lengths. All of those songs could have been killer 4-5 minute songs in the vein of the Black Album, but then they often have those sloppy instrumental sections that add nothing to the song, and are difficult to listen to for me.
As I said, it's not as bad as St Anger in that regard, which had no variety at all, but to me it was still one of the biggest flaws of DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on January 03, 2014, 09:03:15 PM
I get both points. While I have heard the whole album, I only bought two songs. This Was Just Your Life I feel could go longer, or doesn't drag. I love the verse riff and verse melody.

The other song I bought, My Apocalypse, defiantly does have an awkward instrumental section Blob. And the song is on the short end in the scope of the album!

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 03, 2014, 09:25:05 PM
(http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Rob-Trujillo-Bass-Dog.jpg)

(http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Cliff-Burton-Bass-Dog.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 03, 2014, 10:47:51 PM
black_floyd just took the lead.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 03, 2014, 10:57:23 PM
I think Death Magnetic was a result of and a response to all the criticism for St. Anger. And i remember when St. Anger was first announced it was described as being raw, heavy, gritty etc. I remember a lot of their critics being like 'hey, this may be good. Maybe they're back'. And yea, it sounded as if it was gonna be like the early albums. Of course it wasn't, but the description they publicized still describes what we did get. I find this interesting, because Metallica has heavy, thrashy, gritty music in them, and St. Anger was just a different approach to this raw garage sound they've always had. So many doubted the fact they could still play classic thrash metal.

Who was it in Metallica that said Korn was the future of metal? It seemed like that was true for awhile, but definitely not anymore. I do find it funny how when asked Lars mentioned the Arctic Monkeys as being one of his favorite current bands, cuz you KNOW he is aware of the backlash he would get. But seriously though, what bands are these guys fans of an admire right now? I'm sure they have mentioned newer bands they like. Anyone know?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 03, 2014, 11:06:16 PM
James has spoken well of Dehaan.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 04, 2014, 04:16:32 AM
James has spoken well of Dehaan.
:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on January 04, 2014, 08:48:43 AM
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 04, 2014, 03:20:11 PM
Death Mingenetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 04, 2014, 11:51:25 PM
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 04, 2014, 11:53:20 PM
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.

You guys have *serious* issues.    You're equating a vagina with A COFFIN SHAPED GRAVE. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 05, 2014, 12:13:06 AM
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.

You guys have *serious* issues.    You're equating a vagina with A COFFIN SHAPED GRAVE.

Makes me wonder if NotePad was being sarcastic.

I only see it if I force myself to anyways. Can't say I've ever heard this comparison anywhere. :|
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 05, 2014, 12:42:14 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UvYHep97Pd0/TUDfSot8ibI/AAAAAAAABW4/EGFPVodlEVs/s1600/death_xana.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 05, 2014, 02:15:40 AM
What the hell  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on January 05, 2014, 02:22:27 AM
:zydar:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2014, 08:08:52 AM
I thought Death Magnetic was pretty good. Too bad they had to spoil it by putting a cover on it that looks like a female reproduction organ on the front of it.

Yes!!! That is exactly the thought i had the first time i saw the cover!

It was literally the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing it.

Funnily enough I saw a coffin in a grave surrounded by magnetic field lines in dirt.

:dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 05, 2014, 08:45:53 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UvYHep97Pd0/TUDfSot8ibI/AAAAAAAABW4/EGFPVodlEVs/s1600/death_xana.jpg)

Like throwin' a hot dog down a hallway...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on January 05, 2014, 09:08:54 AM
Someone needs to do a study on the merits on the cover of Death Magnetic as a Rorschach test.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 05, 2014, 09:58:34 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UvYHep97Pd0/TUDfSot8ibI/AAAAAAAABW4/EGFPVodlEVs/s1600/death_xana.jpg)

Like throwin' a hot dog down a hallway...

Does it really look that broken, beat, and scarred to you?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 05, 2014, 10:09:10 AM
No, but it looks like My penis's Apocalypse. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 05, 2014, 12:32:36 PM
The anatomical references to the Death Magnetic cover started as soon as the artwork was released even before the album came out.  Lars and James have both joked about it, too.

Regarding St. Anger, I actually like it.  I'm an old guy who despised nu-metal and think of nu-metal as typically involving some rap or hip-hop elements (so St. Anger doesn't qualify) and no solos (which does apply here), but St. Anger never struck me as nu-metal.  It's not typical Metallica, of course, but I like it sort of in spite of it not being traditional Metallica as a snapshot in time of where they were at that point in their careers.  And as James has said, they had to make that album to move on to what they did (better) next.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 05, 2014, 04:45:39 PM
I actually quite like St. Anger too, and I don't like nu-metal at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on January 05, 2014, 05:30:45 PM
Exactly. It's F-150core.
F-150core needs to be an official subgenre. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 05, 2014, 05:33:41 PM
Just watch any Fox NFL Sunday broadcast and ye shall get thine fill.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 05, 2014, 08:01:03 PM
I think St Anger was inspired by certain elements of nu metal, and popular metal at the time, but it doesn't sound like nu metal, and it's clearly not the sound they were going for. They were going for a raw, garage metal sort of sound.
Given the heavy influence of the trash can on the sound, I shall just call it trash metal. Most people misspell thrash as trash anyway, so it's a natural progression. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 06, 2014, 06:54:00 AM
Yeah I hate how the drums sounded different.

Drums should always sound the same.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 06, 2014, 07:00:44 AM
Yeah I hate how the drums sounded different.

Drums should always sound the same.

They shouldn't sound like crap.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 06, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
Yeah and your opinion is objectively correct.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 06, 2014, 07:59:53 AM
So you actually think Lars' drums on St. Anger sound good?

I thought it was the universal opinion that the drumming sounded like ass.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on January 06, 2014, 08:19:28 AM
The drums on SA sound absolutely terrible to me, and I'm perfectly happy with different-sounding drums (I love the sound on DT12 for example).

ZKX is right that it's subjective though. If that's the sound they wanted, and some people like it, then great. I can't stand it though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 06, 2014, 08:24:06 AM
I never said it was objective, and I shouldn't have to state that when sharing my opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on January 06, 2014, 09:34:51 AM
just going to leave this here ("tribute" that Matt Smith of Theocracy did back in 2003):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_3ieuItPC0


the snare sounds was him playing a metal chair (sounds pretty much like what was used on the album to me)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 06, 2014, 11:06:16 AM
That's amazing  :rollin  :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ? on January 06, 2014, 12:39:32 PM
For those who haven't seen this yet, looks like The Frayed Ends of Sanity may make it to the Helsinki setlist this year: http://metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=42
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 12:57:01 PM
That would be awesome!!  A fan favorite that Lars hates to play.   :corn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 06, 2014, 01:18:59 PM
I really don't think that SA und Lulu are disliked due to being so "artsy" (which they honestly aren't) and different, but simply because of the terrible songwriting and lyrics.

(http://www.memelinks.com/true-story.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 06, 2014, 01:29:44 PM
So you actually think Lars' drums on St. Anger sound good?

I enjoy it. And I like that they tried something new.


To say it (or any music) is good or bad is smug. It's art, it's abstract. It's whatever the artist wants it to be.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 06, 2014, 05:30:45 PM
ZKX, you're kind of getting on your high horse with that comment. These bands get to have a career far more desirable than a humdrum 9-5 thanks to us supporting their passion. God forbid we have an opinion.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 05:34:41 PM
So you actually think Lars' drums on St. Anger sound good?

I enjoy it. And I like that they tried something new.


To say it (or any music) is good or bad is smug. It's art, it's abstract. It's whatever the artist wants it to be.

Well, if the person is saying that something is objectively good or bad, yeah, but people are free to express their opinions on the music. Otherwise, what's even the point of a music forum?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on January 06, 2014, 06:22:32 PM
Otherwise, what's even the point of a music forum?

Yeah, I was gonna say.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2014, 06:36:51 PM
The main problem with DM and SA besides the audio quality is that this band is capable of far, far better.

They went from Load which had fantastic production and a handful of great songs, some under-rated songs and a couple of fillers to Saint Anger which had awful production and mostly poor songs with a couple of gems in about 7 years.

The last album that the majority can agree is "classic" was Metallica in 1991.

If the 10th album is released in 2016 - which is the most likely scenario - that will be 25 years ago.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 07:23:29 PM
The main problem with DM and SA besides the audio quality is that this band is capable of far, far better.

They went from Load which had fantastic production and a handful of great songs, some under-rated songs and a couple of fillers to Saint Anger which had awful production and mostly poor songs with a couple of gems in about 7 years.

The last album that the majority can agree is "classic" was Metallica in 1991.

If the 10th album is released in 2016 - which is the most likely scenario - that will be 25 years ago.

Kinda skipped right over Re-Load, eh? ;)

And millions of Metallica fans would disagree with you about DM not being a new classic in their discography, including me.   :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tom Bombadil on January 06, 2014, 07:36:13 PM
The last album that the majority can agree is "classic" was Metallica in 1991.
I don't even count that one. AJFA was their last "classic" for me, although up until St.Anger there were a bunch of pretty good songs mixed in with the bad ones. But the first 4 albums are on another level for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 06, 2014, 07:37:36 PM
The last album that the majority can agree is "classic" was Metallica in 1991.

And i agree with the majority :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 07:40:14 PM
Hardcore longtime Metallica fans don't view the Black Album as a classic, they view it as the one that broke them to the mainstream.  I agree with Tom that the first four albums are a whole different level.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 07:43:34 PM
Hardcore longtime Metallica fans don't view the Black Album as a classic, they view it as the one that broke them to the mainstream.  I agree with Tom that the first four albums are a whole different level.

That's because longtime Metallica fans hate anything that isn't thrashing the E string at 500bpm for 8 minutes straight. The songwriting on The Black Album was better than the first four albums on multiple levels, and I love the first four albums. Mainstream and classic aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 06, 2014, 07:47:27 PM
Ride the Lightning is their best album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 07:51:31 PM
RTL is actually easily my least favourite of the first four. The strong songs are as good as ever, but it has relatively more filler, and it's not strong filler.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 07:54:46 PM
The songwriting on The Black Album was better than the first four albums on multiple levels, and I love the first four albums. Mainstream and classic aren't mutually exclusive.

Yeah, sure, we'll go with that.... ::)

"Better" is in the "Eye of the Beholder."  See what I did there?   ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2014, 07:55:33 PM
Agree. RTL has awesome songs but it has two duds whereas MOP ( in my opinion ) has 8 fantastic songs on it.

Even the "weakest" song on MOP is still much better than Trapped Under Ice or Escape.

( my opinion ) .

My Top 3 Metallica albums would be : Master, Metallica and Ride.


My least favourite would be : Saint Anger, And Justice For All and Kill Em All.


Which quite rightly puts the Loads and DM in the middle.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on January 06, 2014, 08:02:18 PM
I'd say AJFA is my least favourite of the first four. If I had to choose a favourite of the first four, I'd go with Lightning, but I actually agree with Blob that it has a lot of filler.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on January 06, 2014, 08:06:51 PM
The most recent Metallica album I own is the Black album and nothing I've heard since has really made me regret that. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 08:07:17 PM
Load has some good stuff on it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 06, 2014, 08:12:56 PM
Hardcore longtime Metallica fans don't view the Black Album as a classic, they view it as the one that broke them to the mainstream.  I agree with Tom that the first four albums are a whole different level.

That's because longtime Metallica fans hate anything that isn't thrashing the E string at 500bpm for 8 minutes straight.

Agreed, it's not in the same level as the first 4 albums but is a classic anyway.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 06, 2014, 08:30:54 PM
Hardcore longtime Metallica fans don't view the Black Album as a classic, they view it as the one that broke them to the mainstream.  I agree with Tom that the first four albums are a whole different level.

That's because longtime Metallica fans hate anything that isn't thrashing the E string at 500bpm for 8 minutes straight.

Agreed, it's not in the same level as the first 4 albums but is a classic anyway.

I am one of those people that viewed the Black Album as a big let down.    But NOT because it was different.    After three VERY similar albums, it was obvious that a change of some sort was needed.

What bothered me (an many Metallica fans at the time) was that they had come as far as they had by breaking new ground and doing what they wanted to do.   No radio airplay, no music videos (until One)...they were playing metal like it had never been played to the public before.   What they were doing was unprecedented.

The first four albums (yes, even KEA *at the time*) was breaking new ground.    But The Black Album turned Metallica from trend setters, to trend followers.   TBA, while being a extremely good and listenable metal album, was pretty cliched.   It was nothing that hadn't been done before.      Yes it was catchy.   But you could almost dance to it.   That really seemed to go against everything Metallica had built up to that point.

I wanted change, but I wanted something that would continue to piss off most people.    Even if they would have simplified and released some form of early groove album...but made it even heavier.    Can you imagine James Hetfield singing on something more akin to Sepultura's Chaos AD???    Now *THAT* would have been Grammy worthy. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 08:35:22 PM
I'm pretty spotty on Metallica history and that stuff, but at that point in time, would have even been capable of singing like that?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 06, 2014, 08:41:02 PM
We'll, he was much more of a thrash vocalist, not a "singer" per se, during the first 4 albums.  He totally ragged out his voice during the AJFA tour and subsequent Black Album recording and that was when he first started with vocal lessons to teach him to use his voice properly and preserve it because at that point he was on a collision course for wrecking it permanently.

Thereafter, he became more of a "singer."  So I'd say his singing ability really was just developing at that point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 08:41:45 PM
Dancing to TBA? What the hell kind of dance would that be?! :lol It's a straight up headbanging metal album, just as the first 4 were.
TBA was actually more complex than the first four albums, it was just more concise and accessible at the same time, in the perfect blend. It had more layered guitars and vocals, additional instruments, better vocal lines, more variety, mixed with strong songwriting and amazing production. To me it was pretty much the peak of the mountain for Metallica, sloping off on both sides.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on January 06, 2014, 08:42:56 PM
What jammindude wrote about the Black Album could easily be applied to Queensryche's Empire - I remember both albums getting exactly the same response from diehard fans,  but as they released more and more shite albums , most fans came to appreciate what they had in those two albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 06, 2014, 08:45:38 PM
Well, Chaos AD is like an equivalent (for each band discography) if compared to the Black Album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bosk1 on January 06, 2014, 08:52:13 PM
I was just randomly listening to Death Magnetic after no listening to it since probably a couple of months after it came out.  I was pleasantly surprised at how much I like some of the songs.  It's really just the production that keeps me from listening to it.  I'm not overly sensitive to overly hot mastering in many cases, but this is one of those albums where it definitely stands out and hinders my enjoyment significantly.  But the songs themselves are actually really good. 

So that prompted me to listen to St. Anger.  I may be the only person who had never previously heard St. Anger before.  Now I have.  Now I understand the criticism.  So, so bad.  I only listened to the first two songs in their entirety and got part way through Some Kind of Monster before having to turn if off (although that song was a step up from the first two). 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 08:53:51 PM
I've only heard Frantic. I enjoy it, but mostly for lols.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 08:55:05 PM
I've only heard Frantic. I enjoy it, but mostly for lols.

I use Frantic as my alarm clock, because if that noise doesn't get you out of bed and hitting the alarm, nothing will. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 06, 2014, 08:56:26 PM
MY LIFESTYLE


DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on January 06, 2014, 08:57:35 PM
I've only heard Frantic. I enjoy it, but mostly for lols.

I use Frantic as my alarm clock, because if that noise doesn't get you out of bed and hitting the alarm, nothing will. :lol

Haha..........as a teenager I had a similar thought and used some Nitro as my alarm.  Never once late for uni from that point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 06, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
MY LIFESTYLE


DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE

Epic lyrics detected  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 06, 2014, 09:03:15 PM
I've only heard Frantic. I enjoy it, but mostly for lols.

I use Frantic as my alarm clock, because if that noise doesn't get you out of bed and hitting the alarm, nothing will. :lol

Haha..........as a teenager I had a similar thought and used some Nitro as my alarm.  Never once late for uni from that point.

:rollin I'd rather not wake up with the feeling I'm about to get mauled by a pack of pissed off cats. I'll stick to waking up with the feeling that a Danish midget is banging a trashcan against my head.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bosk1 on January 06, 2014, 09:04:41 PM
I'll stick to waking up with the feeling that a Danish midget is banging a trashcan against my head.

Quote from: Ben Roethlisberger
THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE LARS IS DANISH.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 06, 2014, 09:41:36 PM
And coincidentally he looks like another Ben. The youngest kid on Growing Pains.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 06, 2014, 09:54:10 PM
The thing that made me lol most about Some Kind of Monster (song) are that the "Yeah!"s that James uses.  It may be the most laughable ones ever incorporated.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 06, 2014, 10:00:12 PM
The thing that made me lol most about Some Kind of Monster (song) are that the "Yeah!"s that James uses.  It may be the most damage ever incorporated.

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on January 06, 2014, 10:10:16 PM
The thing that made me lol most about Some Kind of Monster (song) are that the "Yeah!"s that James uses.  It may be the most laughable ones ever incorporated.
Yeah.



:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 08, 2014, 12:39:56 AM
So today i finally gave Lulu a good listen. Only the first half so far. I still stand by all i said earlier.

But i must admit that while listening to it alone in my car i laughed multiple times. What made me laugh was some of Lou Reed's lyrics. They are pretty outrageous at times. At other times though i really loved his lyrics. I don't like the monotony of his voice reading them. I don't listen to any other Lou Reed stuff so i don't know if this is his usual style or if he was just doing something different here. I'm sure the guy can carry a tune so i wish at times he had more melody and actually sang. To me, this is the major downfall of Lulu. I love his poetry, i love Hetfield's vocal parts, and the music was great. Very interesting. As i'v heard said before, there are Black Sabbath-like riffs in parts that i really enjoyed. And Lars was good as he usually is IMO.

But yea, it's fuckin weird. And I love it. There is no other band like Metallica and i don't think there ever will be. They're #1 and do something like Lulu. I can't see another band having this happen to them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 08, 2014, 12:42:51 AM
Listen to Metal Machine Music later, you will love it  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 08, 2014, 12:54:52 AM
So today i finally gave Lulu a good listen. Only the first half so far. I still stand by all i said earlier.

But i must admit that while listening to it alone in my car i laughed multiple times. What made me laugh was some of Lou Reed's lyrics. They are pretty outrageous at times. At other times though i really loved his lyrics. I don't like the monotony of his voice reading them. I don't listen to any other Lou Reed stuff so i don't know if this is his usual style or if he was just doing something different here. I'm sure the guy can carry a tune so i wish at times he had more melody and actually sang. To me, this is the major downfall of Lulu. I love his poetry, i love Hetfield's vocal parts, and the music was great. Very interesting. As i'v heard said before, there are Black Sabbath-like riffs in parts that i really enjoyed. And Lars was good as he usually is IMO.

But yea, it's fuckin weird. And I love it. There is no other band like Metallica and i don't think there ever will be. They're #1 and do something like Lulu. I can't see another band having this happen to them.

If you haven't heard the last track (Junior Dad) yet....please do.   Even most people that hate Lulu admit that it's the highlight of the album.   And those that CAN tolerate Lulu (like me) say it's one of Metallica's best tracks. 

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 08, 2014, 01:24:07 AM
Yea i heard about that one. Apparently an interview (a famous one i hear) with Metallica reveals their love for Junior Dad.

And of course, i listened some more to....you guessed it: St. Anger! The drums i like. I find it refreshing. I'm surprised thrash fans/fans of old and super thrashy Metallica hate on it so much. It's definately the band that made MoP.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2014, 06:51:54 AM
I know some fans won't include Metallica with the first four albums but I don't see Kill Em All as all that great.

It's a reasonable debut as best - not great sound quality and has one or two songs on it that wound up as classics.

They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on January 08, 2014, 08:08:38 AM
I know some fans won't include Metallica with the first four albums but I don't see Kill Em All as all that great.

It's a reasonable debut as best - not great sound quality and has one or two songs on it that wound up as classics.

They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.

Agreed.  I love Whiplash, and Seek and Destroy is pretty great, too, but everything else is just a blur to me.  It doesn't help that I am not a fan of speed metal, so the furious nature of the debut is not really my thing.  I'd definitely take The Black Album over it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on January 08, 2014, 08:15:19 AM
Yeah, Kill 'Em All is a solid debut but not much more for me. The classic albums are without a doubt Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets and And Justice For All. While I do like Load, it's really the only album after And Justice.. that I revisit, and even then it's not that often. But yeah, those three classic albums alone are so good that the fact that they became pretty lame afterwards doesn't matter that much.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 08, 2014, 08:18:14 AM
Wow, I cannot believe the what I'm hearing about Kill "Em All.
It's pretty raw, but the album is absolute genius and the foundation for everything that came after it. I rank it as one of the most important metal albums of all time.

Oh well, I guess if you don't like listening to it, so be it. I hate the Beatles! :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 08, 2014, 08:25:15 AM
I know some fans won't include Metallica with the first four albums but I don't see Kill Em All as all that great.

It's a reasonable debut as best - not great sound quality and has one or two songs on it that wound up as classics.

They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.




I don't like it as much as TBA, AJFA, or MOP, but it's a much more solid album than RTL imo, and I really like it as an album.
There is some saminess with the filler songs, but they're still enjoyable, and there's not a track I dislike on it (aside from the few minutes of random bass noise in the middle), and I think the production is actually quite good considering (again, better than RTL).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 08, 2014, 08:27:31 AM
I've always considered RTL as my least favorite of the original four, and even TBA, but it has really grown on me.  It feels rushed. But RTL has some of Kirk's best solos. Very melodic and memorable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 08, 2014, 08:30:48 PM
Wow, I cannot believe the what I'm hearing about Kill "Em All.
It's pretty raw, but the album is absolute genius and the foundation for everything that came after it. I rank it as one of the most important metal albums of all time.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 08, 2014, 08:58:28 PM
They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.

What?  That part is awesome.  Also, they had to ADD it in to the original to stop it being exactly the same as Mechanix, musically :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 08, 2014, 09:27:56 PM
The Four Horsemen > > > > > > > The Mechanix.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 08, 2014, 09:50:09 PM
The Four Horsemen > > > > > > > The Mechanix.
This.  :clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 08, 2014, 10:15:03 PM
They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.

What?  That part is awesome.  Also, they had to ADD it in to the original to stop it being exactly the same as Mechanix, musically :lol

Exactly my thought. KEA is virtually bereft of melody so any kind of melodic part is more than welcome on it. The fact that it's actually a pretty damn good part makes it an even sweeter contrast.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 08, 2014, 10:26:33 PM
I know some fans won't include Metallica with the first four albums but I don't see Kill Em All as all that great.

It's a reasonable debut as best - not great sound quality and has one or two songs on it that wound up as classics.

They had to erase a whole section out of The Four Horsemen later to make it good as well.




I don't like it as much as TBA, AJFA, or MOP, but it's a much more solid album than RTL imo, and I really like it as an album.
There is some saminess with the filler songs, but they're still enjoyable, and there's not a track I dislike on it (aside from the few minutes of random bass noise in the middle), and I think the production is actually quite good considering (again, better than RTL).


It's only been in the last year (and ONLY in prog rock forums) that I've ever heard any dislike for Anesthesia.   When i was 14, and that album was new...I knew SO MANY GUYS that wanted to play the bass *JUST* because of that song.    Everyone I knew thought it was absolutely amazing.    As teens, we thought it was the "Eruption" of the bass.    It may not be as technical, but it was so freaking awesome that it made a whole generation of longhairs want to pick up a bass instead of a six string.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 08, 2014, 10:33:38 PM
And until recently, I'd never heard of anyone who actually liked that bass noodling. Metallica is probably one of the last metal bands that should inspire anybody to pick up a bass guitar. :lol
Title: Re: Just Kidding... :)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 08, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
....Metallica had a bass player? ???
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on January 08, 2014, 10:46:41 PM
When I want to hear a Metallica bass player do some cool stuff I drag out some Infectious Grooves.    I need to be in the mood but there's some cool stuff in there along with light entertainment in between tracks by Mr Sarsippius Sulenamagic Jackson da Turd :)   ..........hopefully someone remembers "Closed Session."
Title: The groove that makes your body move!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 08, 2014, 10:53:16 PM
Why you funk, why you funk, why you fuuunk funk fuuunkin, why you funkin...with mah head?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 09, 2014, 05:08:25 AM
And until recently, I'd never heard of anyone who actually liked that bass noodling. Metallica is probably one of the last metal bands that should inspire anybody to pick up a bass guitar. :lol

....Metallica had a bass player? ???

Spoken like two people who never heard Cliff Burton.   ::)  The guy played bass like lead guitar.  I got the chance to see Metallica when Cliff was still alive back when they were still an opening act and his playing was unreal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2014, 05:20:02 AM
I didn't realize my opinion didn't count unless I saw him live in person. So sorry about that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 09, 2014, 05:26:09 AM
No apology necessary, Blob.   ;)  You didn't need to see him live to know his greatness, but if you had seen him live you'd know why your post that said Metallica would not inspire anyone to pick up a bass guitar sounds so absurd to an old dude like me.  Because Cliff inspired multitudes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 09, 2014, 05:29:59 AM
There's nothing special about the bass playing on Metallica's early albums, especially compared to other heavy bands of the time like Maiden. The majority of it was just doubling the guitar riffs, with the occasional simple deviation. There were a lot more influential bass players of the time. Playing bass like a guitar does not make good bass playing. It makes a guitar player who got stuck on bass. Anesthesia is a great example of why it doesn't really work.
I'm not saying he was bad at all, but I don't understand why he's suddenly considered so amazing, aside from the dead factor.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 09, 2014, 06:26:53 AM
^ :clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on January 09, 2014, 06:30:02 AM
I think as a live performer, Cliff was a real gem, but if I'm being objective, I think as a bass player, he was barely average.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 09, 2014, 07:24:19 AM
Seriously, if you want a great metal bass player, look at Sean Malone or Dan Briggs. Freakin' mindblowing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 09, 2014, 10:05:18 AM
The guy played bass like lead guitar.

That would be John Entwistle  :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 09, 2014, 10:18:11 AM
The guy played bass like lead guitar.

That would be John Entwistle  :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on January 09, 2014, 11:00:42 AM
Seriously, if you want a great metal bass player, look at Sean Malone or Dan Briggs. Freakin' mindblowing.

Not as mindblowing but awesome as well: the bass players for Tool, Karnivool and Isis. Deep grooves and creative melodic bassplaying. Really tasteful.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 09, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
And Myung of course ! ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 09, 2014, 04:17:07 PM
Seriously, if you want a great metal bass player, look at Sean Malone or Dan Briggs. Freakin' mindblowing.

Not as mindblowing but awesome as well: the bass players for Tool, Karnivool and Isis. Deep grooves and creative melodic bassplaying. Really tasteful.

Huh?  If you want a great metal bass player, go find these guys that take influence from bass players like Burton?

 :justjen

EDIT:  I think the fact that you can hardly even HEAR Cliff on the recordings is to the detriment of his legacy.  AFAIK he's largely responsible for much of the harmonic structure on the early albums, and is a key player in the overall vibe of the first 3 albums.  As a metal bass player, I think he's deeply influential, sure.  No-one was playing like him.  But I don't think his playing was his strong suit, when you look at the awesome classically influenced passages all over the first three albums; they pretty much stop after his passing. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 09, 2014, 04:21:28 PM
Influence doesn't make him a great (in terms of technical skill) bass player. Ringo was an influential drummer, but there's no way he could match guys like Portnoy, Harrison, Minnemann, Donati etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 09, 2014, 04:26:35 PM
There's nothing special about the bass playing on Metallica's early albums, especially compared to other heavy bands of the time like Maiden. The majority of it was just doubling the guitar riffs, with the occasional simple deviation. There were a lot more influential bass players of the time. Playing bass like a guitar does not make good bass playing. It makes a guitar player who got stuck on bass. Anesthesia is a great example of why it doesn't really work.
I'm not saying he was bad at all, but I don't understand why he's suddenly considered so amazing, aside from the dead factor.
There's a certain song (that may be referenced in my sig) that is one of the greatest bass performances of all time. There's also another instrumental song on Ride the Lightning that would like a word with you. You don't have to deviate from the guitar lines to be a good bass player, or even a great one. Cliff was fantastic, and the 3 instrumentals he was a part of should quite readily shut up any kind of detractors. And this logic of "influence doesn't make him great" is utterly fucking laughable. I guess Jimmy Page and Tony Iommi weren't great either, since Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, and John Petrucci can all play circles around them.

Seriously.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 09, 2014, 04:27:21 PM
Influence doesn't make him a great (in terms of technical skill) bass player. Ringo was an influential drummer, but there's no way he could match guys like Portnoy, Harrison, Minnemann, Donati etc.

And? Thats like saying, 'The Model T is influential, but theres no way it can match a Maserati'.  Of course modern musicians are going to be better than the ones that came before, its natural progression.  Cliff was a great player, and a great influence on metal bass players whether Blob likes it or not :P

EDIT: ninja'd by UMH
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 09, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
I'm not saying the guy wasn't good, just the stuff equating his playing to the second coming of Christ seems a bit excessive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 09, 2014, 04:34:45 PM
Oh my god sneakyblueberry when did you get back?  :omg:

I'm not saying the guy wasn't good, just the stuff equating his playing to the second coming of Christ seems a bit excessive.
Why is Cliff so revered? Call of Ktulu and Orion. Simple as that. Nobody was treating bass ANYTHING like that before Cliff did it with Metallica. And the fact of the matter is, while there were great bass players before Cliff (Steve Harris and Geezer Butler come to mind), the trend at the time was thrash, and none of the big 4 were doing anything nearly as complex with the bass. Hell, nobody OUTSIDE the big 4 was doing it. You have to put yourself in the time frame to really appreciate some things.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 09, 2014, 04:42:18 PM
Why is Cliff so revered? Call of Ktulu and Orion. Simple as that. Nobody was treating bass ANYTHING like that before Cliff did it with Metallica. And the fact of the matter is, while there were great bass players before Cliff (Steve Harris and Geezer Butler come to mind), the trend at the time was thrash, and none of the big 4 were doing anything nearly as complex with the bass. Hell, nobody OUTSIDE the big 4 was doing it. You have to put yourself in the time frame to really appreciate some things.
This.  :clap:  And I'd add his songwriting talents, too.  His credits are all over the first 3 albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on January 09, 2014, 04:46:12 PM
Oh definitely. The songwriting was certainly a major benefit too. Like someone else said (don't know if it was sneak or someone else), the classical influences dropped straight out of Metallica after Burton died (except for To Live is to Die, which is made mostly of Burton's riffs. Go figure). Part of the reason I hold AJFA so much lower than the other 3 "classic albums" is because of that glaring absence. The creativity of the riffs between something like Damage Inc and Dyer's Eve is absolutely night and day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 09, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
Oh my god sneakyblueberry when did you get back?  :omg:

Hola!  :hat

Oh definitely. The songwriting was certainly a major benefit too. Like someone else said (don't know if it was sneak or someone else), the classical influences dropped straight out of Metallica after Burton died (except for To Live is to Die, which is made mostly of Burton's riffs. Go figure). Part of the reason I hold AJFA so much lower than the other 3 "classic albums" is because of that glaring absence. The creativity of the riffs between something like Damage Inc and Dyer's Eve is absolutely night and day.

This, exactly.  I would say the last great slow, classical influenced Metallica instrumental section is the slow part in To Live is to Die, which is absolutely perfect. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 12, 2014, 02:35:48 PM
And? Thats like saying, 'The Model T is influential, but theres no way it can match a Maserati'. 

I'm pretty sure I made that exact argument before.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 12, 2014, 02:41:48 PM
And? Thats like saying, 'The Model T is influential, but theres no way it can match a Maserati'. 

I'm pretty sure I made that exact argument before.

Haha sorry dude, not an intentional rip if so. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 13, 2014, 06:49:16 AM
Way to "feed the machine" there...

Nice to know I made an impact though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on January 13, 2014, 10:25:31 AM
Speaking as someone who was there...yeah. You had to be there. You had to SEE Cliff Burton play. You had to put on a Metallica album and hear what he was doing, and then put on a Judas Priest album and try to FIND the bass part, to really get how good he was.

And the notion that being influential doesn't make you great is flat out...FLAT OUT...the dumbest thing anyone's ever said here. That deserves a prize.

Were there better bassists than Cliff Burton at the time? Sure. LOADS. But saying the bass playing in early Metallica is bad and he wasn't influential to a generation of metal bassists can only be said by (1) not being there and (2) really not listening to the first three Metallica albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 13, 2014, 11:03:25 AM
I'm certain you can be influential AND not very good at the same time.

I'm sure Jack White has inspired loads of people to play guitar - but is he a GREAT guitar player - certainly not.



p.s. This is just an example - I don't think Cliff was a "bad" player. Just not the be all and end all of bass playing...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on January 13, 2014, 02:37:05 PM
And the notion that being influential doesn't make you great is flat out...FLAT OUT...the dumbest thing anyone's ever said here. That deserves a prize.
Holy hyperbole!

There's no need to be quite so ridiculous. "Great" is very much a subjective term.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 13, 2014, 03:52:57 PM
Speaking as someone who was there...yeah. You had to be there. You had to SEE Cliff Burton play. You had to put on a Metallica album and hear what he was doing, and then put on a Judas Priest album and try to FIND the bass part, to really get how good he was.

And the notion that being influential doesn't make you great is flat out...FLAT OUT...the dumbest thing anyone's ever said here. That deserves a prize.

Were there better bassists than Cliff Burton at the time? Sure. LOADS. But saying the bass playing in early Metallica is bad and he wasn't influential to a generation of metal bassists can only be said by (1) not being there and (2) really not listening to the first three Metallica albums.

I'm not saying he wasn't influential. That doesn't mean I want to listen to him.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on January 13, 2014, 07:09:26 PM
Wow, I cannot believe the what I'm hearing about Kill "Em All.
It's pretty raw, but the album is absolute genius and the foundation for everything that came after it. I rank it as one of the most important metal albums of all time.

Oh well, I guess if you don't like listening to it, so be it. I hate the Beatles! :lol

KEA is awesome. Shows how you can have crushing heavy riffs without the stupid down-tuning.

TBA has some nice songs, but it's when Metallica went from fast, lethal Velociraptor to dull, plodding Diplodicus.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 13, 2014, 07:38:33 PM
TBA has some nice songs, but it's when Metallica went from fast, lethal Velociraptor to dull, plodding Diplodicus.

Coincidentally, the working title for -Human.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 13, 2014, 10:30:11 PM
Now use Dinosaurs to portray the career trajectory of Megadeth.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 13, 2014, 10:35:30 PM
With the greenhouse in effect, the tyrannosaurus was REXED!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 13, 2014, 10:39:35 PM
The meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs was the first SUPAH COLLIDAH !!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 13, 2014, 10:46:26 PM
jason > cliff
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 13, 2014, 11:00:28 PM
jason > cliff

:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 13, 2014, 11:07:43 PM
jason > cliff

True.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 13, 2014, 11:29:31 PM
jason > cliff

I love Jason...but I can't believe I just read this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 13, 2014, 11:38:44 PM
Metallica vs Megadeth

Metallica is much better. Just sayin'. Saw Super Collider mentioned....

Super Collider is not very good.......it's like Megadeth lite. Not like Mustaine can't do full on Megadeth anymore. No, he can. But he tried something different and failed. I was gonna say he should take a page out of Metallica's book and experiment more with their sound, but he did experiment with this album. Just not in the right direction.

I hear people saying Super Collider is more of a rock album rather than a metal album. I don't think so. It's been a month since i listened to it, but i remember it sounding heavy, a lot heavier than what should be branded 'rock'. But then again, maybe my definition's of 'rock' and 'metal' are messed up, because I don't notice these things a lot. Apparently Edguy's newer stuff is more hard rock, but i still hear metal- power metal. I was listening to part of Porcupine Tree's album Deadwing i think it's called, and was thinking 'This isn't really metal. It' more rock'. I hear Porcupine Tree put into the category of progressive metal. I hear rock. Progressice rock actually.

Sorry, i go off on tangents sometime. What were you guys talking about? Bass. Jason Newsted.

Do you think if Newsted stayed in the band, would they have done St. Anger? Do you think the album would be a lot different then St Anger, or very similar? I read the article recently where he said he wasn't a fan of St. Anger. I find it funny, because i bet if he decided to stick it out in Metallica, he would've been playing bass on that exact same album. I think this because it doesn't sound as if he had much musical input with the band, this of course because the guys apparently didn't care much for him...
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 13, 2014, 11:43:22 PM
I think, musically, Megadeth are far more interesting.  Better riffs, better solos, better writing in general.

I think if Newsted hadn't left, he would've been sacked.  He wasn't ready to ride the self improvement train, so I don't see the rest of the guys having any other option. 

Newsted is awesome tho.  He wrote Blackened.  So there.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 13, 2014, 11:59:20 PM
Did he write many Metallica songs? Cuz they seem more like a band that writes collaboratively. Some bands write songs individually and compile them into an album, and that often results in a lack of flow. Metallica's albums always flow well and have an overall sound or feeling.

And yea, I don't think he would have cooperated with what they were doing with St. Anger. He clearly had enough of Metallica. Rockstar Supernova was a bad move. Well, musically. But in other ways it may have been good that he put himself out there. Anyone ever listen to the Supernova album? Goddamn terrible. The best song was the one written by the singer, you know, the guy who won the contest....i wonder what happened to that guy. He had talent.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 14, 2014, 12:03:12 AM
AFAIK he wrote riffs for Blackened and My Friend of Misery.  Metallica don't usually write 'collaboratively' per se.  Kirk and James (and I guess whoevers on bass) record their riff ideas to tape and Hetfield/Ulrich sift through the riff tapes and form songs from the ideas.  Then Hetfield writes the vocal parts.  At least thats how they used to do it.  St. Anger was the exception, which they address in SKOM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Laich21DT on January 14, 2014, 12:24:26 AM
Pardon the drop in post, but:

Pantera > Megadeth/Metallica

Bye now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 14, 2014, 12:48:44 AM
Phil and I share a hometown but NO. They had exactly two good albums (CFH, VDoP) and everything else was merely dotted with good songs. Metallica has the golden three, TBA (better than any post VDoP albums), and KEA (far behind the first two but far beyond FBD.) As for Megadeth, RIP is as good as anything put out by the three bands and PSBWB is a hair better than CFH/VDoP and a hair below the level of the golden three. Megadeth's shit albums mortally stomp Metallica and Pantera's shit albums imo.

It's cool to have this debate though since these are my first three metal bands I ever got into and this is the first time I've ever had the chance to compare and discuss them all at once on this forum.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 14, 2014, 12:50:49 AM
I prefer the two Peaces over any Metallica album, i just enjoy them more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 14, 2014, 12:51:25 AM
Megadeth's shit albums mortally stomp Metallica and Pantera's shit albums

Well said.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on January 14, 2014, 12:53:23 AM
AFAIK he wrote riffs for Blackened and My Friend of Misery.

Where the Wild Things Are too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 14, 2014, 12:54:59 AM
Oh yeah I wasn't sure.  I don't think I ever bothered with that song lol.   2 outta 3 aint bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2014, 03:35:46 AM
Mastodon are the current champs. 5 studio albums, an instrumental EP and 1 mini-LP so far and they've yet to mis-step.

I'm confident their new album will be awesome and they'll have put out 6 albums in a row which are all great.



New Mastodon album in 2014 means 7 full length releases in 14 years. Which is pretty good going.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 14, 2014, 06:57:41 AM
Oh yeah I wasn't sure.  I don't think I ever bothered with that song lol.   2 outta 3 aint bad.

Hey, that's a good one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 14, 2014, 12:15:03 PM
Mastodon are the current champs. 5 studio albums, an instrumental EP and 1 mini-LP so far and they've yet to mis-step.

I'm confident their new album will be awesome and they'll have put out 6 albums in a row which are all great.



New Mastodon album in 2014 means 7 full length releases in 14 years. Which is pretty good going.

What about Opeth? They've put 8 amazing albums in a row.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 14, 2014, 12:24:59 PM
In before Orchid/Morningrise haters.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on January 14, 2014, 12:44:32 PM
In before Orchid/Morningrise haters.
Also in before My Arms, Your Hearse haters (how do these exist?!?!)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 14, 2014, 01:02:13 PM
back to jason. that guy was shit on way too much for way too long. fuck hetfield.

i'd honestly say jason is was the most 'metallica' member of metallica. what other member adored them before becoming a member? sure he was held back in the writing and in the studio, but that fucker brought it live more than anyone else and connected with the audience more than ayone else(?).

as for megadave vs metallica. its too convenient to shit on dave post super collider. i stopped listening to metallica 8 years ago ("so what are yuo doing viewing/posting in this thread!?") but only stopped listening to megadave after 4 spins of the super collider leak the week before its release (surely that wasnt enough to stop me forever?! we'll see).
was pretty funny though how TBA sold more copies the second week of june than did super collider (as i think was mentioned maybe in this thread or in the megadave thread)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on January 14, 2014, 02:00:53 PM
jason > cliff

jason>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cliff (at being alive)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 14, 2014, 02:40:45 PM
Don't know if I should laugh at that....















:lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2014, 04:31:16 PM
it's been nearly 28 years.

Laugh away.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2014, 04:33:01 PM
back to jason. that guy was shit on way too much for way too long. fuck hetfield.


According to Jason - the hazing was only for like 6 months and that was before he was even officially in the band. After he was asked to join full time and not just to finish the tour - it tailed off.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 14, 2014, 09:29:28 PM
I think the hazing went on a little longer actually, considering they didn't let him play on ...And Justice For All.












:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 14, 2014, 09:48:08 PM
On the A Year and a Half in the Life of VHS, I think he mentions it as a current thing and that came out in '92 or '93.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 15, 2014, 12:34:31 AM
like he didnt ALWAYS have hetfield standing there, arms crossed, staring him down as he recorded his parts.

and he probs had enough beer bottles thrown at him when trying to bring forth an idea during a jam to learn best not do that.

the unexaggerated kicker is how he was strictly forbid from releasing music with other musicians.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 15, 2014, 01:21:54 AM
Interesting to think that neither Lars no Hetfield have done other projects. At least none that i know of. I assume that, since that was one reason for kicking out Newsted.

Instead, if anyone has any idea for other musical ventures that are off the beaten trail, they have to do it together. As Metallica. Therefore Lulu was born.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 15, 2014, 01:48:00 AM
Shit, they made a 27-song Load, St. Anger, and Death Magnetic over a 14-year stretch and followed that with 5 years of vaguely worded stall tactics. It ain't surprising that they ain't trying to cook for the whole neighborhood when they can't even finish a meal in their own house.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2014, 04:50:13 AM
Shit, they made a 27-song Load, St. Anger, and Death Magnetic over a 14-year stretch and followed that with 5 years of vaguely worded stall tactics. It ain't surprising that they ain't trying to cook for the whole neighborhood when they can't even finish a meal in their own house.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SIk6YgUwhY&t=47s  :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 15, 2014, 10:00:09 AM
Interesting to think that neither Lars no Hetfield have done other projects. At least none that i know of. I assume that, since that was one reason for kicking out Newsted.

Instead, if anyone has any idea for other musical ventures that are off the beaten trail, they have to do it together. As Metallica. Therefore Lulu was born.

Just to make sure, I think Newsted quit the band.  Though, something like the whole "Lars and/or James does not allow side-projects or something like that" led to him quitting.  Either way, I think he was bound on his way out anyway.

Now to show this video, since seeing Lars act like a douchbag pleases me for entertainment reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_8E3FOU4s
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 15, 2014, 05:39:17 PM
Interesting to think that neither Lars no Hetfield have done other projects. At least none that i know of. I assume that, since that was one reason for kicking out Newsted.

Instead, if anyone has any idea for other musical ventures that are off the beaten trail, they have to do it together. As Metallica. Therefore Lulu was born.

Just to make sure, I think Newsted quit the band.  Though, something like the whole "Lars and/or James does not allow side-projects or something like that" led to him quitting.  Either way, I think he was bound on his way out anyway.

Now to show this video, since seeing Lars act like a douchbag pleases me for entertainment reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_8E3FOU4s

I find the immense Lars hate even more amusing. Not that it's not grounded, but these are essentially people giving the current Lars shit for what he's said 10 years ago.

But on that note, Some Kind of Monster is a great watch.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on January 24, 2014, 10:19:42 AM
Just wanted to clarify something I said earlier about TBA. There are a couple of other huge reasons why I don't consider it a great or classic album - Lars plays the same exact drum beat in every song, and Kirk plays pretty much the same wah solo in every song. That's so lazy compared to their respective efforts on the previous album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 24, 2014, 10:49:09 AM
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 24, 2014, 11:53:55 AM
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?

If you have two hours where you weren't doing anything fun anyway, why not?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 24, 2014, 12:24:50 PM
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?

If you have two hours where you weren't doing anything fun anyway, why not?
:lol That really didn't convince me at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow2222 on January 24, 2014, 12:34:45 PM
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?

It is actually a pretty fun movie. The storyline makes absolutely no sense at all, but does have some interesting visuals, and the concert portion is your typical Metallica show with a couple extra things (no big deal really, though), so it is a pretty fun watch.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 24, 2014, 12:45:14 PM
So I was thinking of watching Through the Never, should I proceed with that thought?

It is actually a pretty fun movie. The storyline makes absolutely no sense at all, but does have some interesting visuals, and the concert portion is your typical Metallica show with a couple extra things (no big deal really, though), so it is a pretty fun watch.
Yea I pretty much had that figured out. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 24, 2014, 08:17:43 PM
The concert scenes are great; the story scenes are nonsensical, self-important, faux artsy foolishness.  And I'm a HUGE Metallica fan. :hat
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 24, 2014, 08:49:12 PM
And I'm a HUGE Metallica fan. :hat

I used to be but since 2001 it seems everything they've done has been detrimental to how they are perceived.

Death Magnetic and Beyond Magnetic are the two positives in almost 13 years of WTF-ery.

Metallica love doing the unexpected - which is ironic since right now - nobody expects them to do a new album. 

When it comes out I will listen to it - but i'm not expecting it to be any good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 24, 2014, 09:04:30 PM
When it comes out I will listen to it - but i'm not expecting it to be any good.

I really don't understand this sort of mindset. I'd much rather go in with no expectations than negative ones. There's really no way to know how it'll turn out and how it'll sit with the fanbase for that matter until we give it a listen.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 24, 2014, 09:10:14 PM
Well - considering they were trying their absolute best on Death Magnetic & that album was "good" at best - I don't see how they can better it in their early 50s.

The best thing they could do is put out another "Reload" - full of decent mid tempo & ballady songs that they can actually play live.

But anything with good audio would be a step up from DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 25, 2014, 02:55:20 AM
hey kotowboy, dude....come on

I'm so tired of all these people bagging on Metallica. Even on albums that don't even exist yet. There's so many going into their new albums with already very negative ideas, looking for stuff they don't like and can complain about. I see this type so goddamn much. I know there is NO way they will say they enjoy a new Metallica record, even if it has everything they enjoy. Because it's Metallica. There are people that just fucking hate DM, even though it has what they've been saying what they want Metallica to do again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2014, 03:16:08 AM
hey notepad, dude...come on

I said Death Magnetic was "good".

There's the *other* type of Metallica fan that thinks everything they do is 10/10 just because it has their name on the front.

When a band says " we've done everything we can think of to NOT do this album - but now we're out of excuses " ( exact quote ) - then you know they're only doing it for

the sake of it and the result could only be half-assed at best.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 25, 2014, 10:33:54 AM
When a band says " we've done everything we can think of to NOT do this album - but now we're out of excuses " ( exact quote ) - then you know they're only doing it for the sake of it and the result could only be half-assed at best.
Holy out of context Batman!!  I think you missed the joke -- it's called sarcasm.

And only half-assed at best?   ::)  DM kicks major ass.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2014, 10:47:17 AM
I didn't say DM was half-assed - I in fact said they tried their best on that album if you actually read my post.

And it may be sarcasm but it's one of those "we joke but it's actually the truth" type things.

They have been doing everything but starting work on a new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 25, 2014, 10:55:33 AM
I read your post ... and in addition to demonstrating an inability to understand sarcasm by Lars it said -- and I'll quote you since precision is important to you -- that "the result could only be half assed at best."   ::)  You said that, not me.  You want to say such inane things then say them, man, but own it -- and don't blame me if you get called out for it.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
Which was directed at the next album. Not DM.


What else ya got ?  :heart
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 25, 2014, 11:11:29 AM
Nothing but love, Kotowboy.   :biggrin:

They've procrastinated for every album since "Justice"  ... while some might disagree on certain albums, I wouldn't call all of those results half-assed just because they're a band that seems to take forever to put out new music each time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 25, 2014, 04:20:26 PM
hey kotowboy, dude....come on

I'm so tired of all these people bagging on Metallica. Even on albums that don't even exist yet. There's so many going into their new albums with already very negative ideas, looking for stuff they don't like and can complain about. I see this type so goddamn much. I know there is NO way they will say they enjoy a new Metallica record, even if it has everything they enjoy. Because it's Metallica. There are people that just fucking hate DM, even though it has what they've been saying what they want Metallica to do again.

there's also a ton of fan-boy's that will blindly like a new metallica album no matter what they release. surely much of the fanbase that liked st anger upon its release fall into such a category.

and just cuz DM 'has what fans have been saying they want metallica to do again' doesnt mean it was well executed. i mean, i wouldnt actually know as i stopped spinning Tallica in '06 and thus havent heard it, but it seems a commom sentiment (and has been [re]referenced in just the most recent pages of this thread).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 25, 2014, 04:33:30 PM
hey kotowboy, dude....come on

I'm so tired of all these people bagging on Metallica. Even on albums that don't even exist yet. There's so many going into their new albums with already very negative ideas, looking for stuff they don't like and can complain about. I see this type so goddamn much. I know there is NO way they will say they enjoy a new Metallica record, even if it has everything they enjoy. Because it's Metallica. There are people that just fucking hate DM, even though it has what they've been saying what they want Metallica to do again.

there's also a ton of fan-boy's that will blindly like a new metallica album no matter what they release. surely much of the fanbase that liked st anger upon its release fall into such a category.

and just cuz DM 'has what fans have been saying they want metallica to do again' doesnt mean it was well executed. i mean, i wouldnt actually know as i stopped spinning Tallica in '06 and thus havent heard it, but it seems a commom sentiment (and has been [re]referenced in just the most recent pages of this thread).

That portion of the fanbase is either incredibly minuscule or more soft-spoken about their thoughts then. Really, there's fans like that in any fanbase.

I personally think DM was well executed (save production). A lot of the songs themselves are excellent and kick-ass, though if you've listened to the Beyond Magnetic EP, I could think of a couple of songs on DM that should have been swapped out for some of the stuff on the EP.

Either way, I think it's important to not just dismiss everybody who happens to actually like Death Magnetic, or even Load, Reload and St. Anger as just mindless fans.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2014, 04:53:47 PM
I'm in no way a massive Metallica fan and I prefer Load & Reload to St. Anger & Death Magnetic.

It may be a straw man argument but I didn't blindly accept SA & DM " because at least dey woz methulz "
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 25, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
It may be a straw man argument but I didn't blindly accept SA & DM " because at least dey woz methulz "

And that's perfectly fine. I didn't blindly decide I was going to like DM after I heard news that "it would be Metallica going back to their roots". I think most fans genuinely enjoy what they had to offer on that album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 25, 2014, 05:13:26 PM
DM is a decent album. it's not up there with the first 5 by any means. I think people loved it so much just because it wasn't as bad as St. Anger.

if the next album is DM part 2 and has good production then people will be all over it just because it doesn't sound as bad as DM.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 25, 2014, 05:16:54 PM
I'm not a diehard Metallica fan by any means, I only own Master Of Puppets and ...And Justice For All.

And personally, I thought Death Magnetic was pretty decent, production issues aside.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 25, 2014, 05:23:35 PM
I'm in that boat. DM is good, though not up there with the first 5. If they fix the production issues, then that's already a step up.

And well, if the next album ends up being better than DM, then of course people will generally be more kind towards it. Isn't that just a given?

I don't see the need in making up excuses for why people might like certain albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 25, 2014, 06:43:13 PM
Death Magnetic is pretty good, they're excellent live.  These songs come alive more live than in the studio, but their are songs like that from many bands.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 25, 2014, 10:00:59 PM
And I'm a HUGE Metallica fan. :hat

I used to be but since 2001 it seems everything they've done has been detrimental to how they are perceived.

Death Magnetic and Beyond Magnetic are the two positives in almost 13 years of WTF-ery.

Metallica love doing the unexpected - which is ironic since right now - nobody expects them to do a new album. 

When it comes out I will listen to it - but i'm not expecting it to be any good.

Just 13 years?  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 25, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
Judging from what the band members have said recently, they realize that DM was in the right direction and will be heading further that way with the next album. Funny how the way St Anger and DM were described by press releases before they were released described each with pretty much the same words and phrases.

St. Anger is kickass. I'v been listening to it a lot lately. I'm not gonna start this argument again, I just want to express how much of a shame i feel it is that it's reputation is as a joke. I really hope in the years to come there will be more respect for it. I don't even think the band plays any of the songs live, do they?

Although I do wonder how a live performance of Invisible Kid would be. I'v never watched them play it. I'm gonna go look and see if there's a video.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 25, 2014, 11:17:48 PM
Judging from what the band members have said recently, they realize that DM was in the right direction and will be heading further that way with the next album. Funny how the way St Anger and DM were described by press releases before they were released described each with pretty much the same words and phrases.

St. Anger is kickass. I'v been listening to it a lot lately. I'm not gonna start this argument again, I just want to express how much of a shame i feel it is that it's reputation is as a joke. I really hope in the years to come there will be more respect for it. I don't even think the band plays any of the songs live, do they?

Although I do wonder how a live performance of Invisible Kid would be. I'v never watched them play it. I'm gonna go look and see if there's a video.

Ah man, it will never happen... People hate this album, and they have plenty good reasons for it, trust me,i know you like the album but it's not just blind hate.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 25, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
Most of the criticism of Load/Reload/St. Anger come from people heavily into metal. I mean, from what I'v seen and read and people I'v talked to, mostly online.

Back around when St. Anger came out I was in high-school. I remember a lot of friends and classmates who really liked it. Most of them weren't really into metal, most of them being more into popular rock(and metal) bands and rap. That says something about the quality of the songs; they judged St. Anger on it's own, not in comparison to their other albums or heavy metal bands. Most Metallica fans/critics love Metallica for their older and thrashier albums. So it's no surprise they are negative about St. Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 25, 2014, 11:56:04 PM
I like metal. I like rap. I like prog. I like folk, post-rock, djent, death metal, grunge, black metal, pop rock and power metal.

The dislike of St. Anger isn't because it's "not metal".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 25, 2014, 11:58:52 PM
Most of the criticism of Load/Reload/St. Anger come from people heavily into metal. I mean, from what I'v seen and read and people I'v talked to, mostly online.

I agree that these albums have more backslash than they deserves (like saying they're some of the worst albums ever, that isn't true) but there's plenty of people that didn't enjoy them simply because they don't like them as music, nothing to do with change of genres or styles.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 25, 2014, 11:59:19 PM
The dislike of St. Anger isn't because it's "not metal".

That's it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2014, 12:38:20 AM
Most of the criticism of Load/Reload/St. Anger come from people heavily into metal. I mean, from what I'v seen and read and people I'v talked to, mostly online.

St Anger is fast, angry metal, so I don't see that as a problem. The problem is just that it's an overall weak album imo. And I don't mean that as empty bashing, as I do think it has a few good tracks, and some good ideas, but overall people just dislike it because it's not well written, or well performed, or well produced. Maybe it gets a little bit more hate than it deserves, but not by much.

It does play more of a part with Load/Reload, especially with metal fans who were into the band prior to that, and then had the curveball of some blues hard rock. That said, there are also plenty of people who dislike those albums because there are a lot of dud songs on there, and was essentially one album of writing padded out to a double album.
I do think a lot of songs on Load and Reload are among Metallica's best, and hugely underrated, so I do agree there are a lot of diehard thrash fans who hated those albums merely on principle (even here on DTF), but I'm also not going to discount that a lot of people gave those albums a fair chance and just didn't think they were good.

I listen to Metallica's non-thrash stuff like TBA, Load and Reload a lot more than I do the first 4 albums these days, so I'll always defend those albums, but everyone's got their own valid opinion. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 12:44:11 AM
I think Metallica is much better than And Justice For All.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 26, 2014, 12:52:47 AM
It's my favourite Metallica album by a fair margin, so I'd agree. But AJFA would be my favourite of the thrash era albums, but unfortunately the shitty production stops me from ever listening to it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 01:18:46 AM
If I was to rate them chronologically - for me they'd go :

Kill < Ride < Master > AJFA < Metallica < Load = Reload **  > St. Anger < Death Magnetic.





** ( still can't decide which I like more )



For such a huge band - They really have got way too many awful sounding albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on January 26, 2014, 01:51:04 AM
It's my favourite Metallica album by a fair margin, so I'd agree. But AJFA would be my favourite of the thrash era albums, but unfortunately the shitty production stops me from ever listening to it.

AJFA is my fav overall but i never enjoyed Metallica that much even when i was into thrash metal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on January 26, 2014, 06:20:03 AM
I watched the first half hour of Through The Never yesterday with my girlfriend, only because we were waiting for an other movie to finish. It seemed pretty cool though. The only problem being Lars' drumming. My girlfriend is no drumming/rythmic fanatic at all, but she complained about the bad drumming right away. The opening staccato riff of Creeping Death.. why can't Lars actually 'count' the rests that are supposed to be in there? He can't even get it right for the official Metallica 3D movie.. geez.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 06:25:18 AM
He does tap the hi hat - but he usually just does it too fast.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on January 26, 2014, 06:28:43 AM
It's such a shame because Metallica are basically legends. The rest of the band still plays well, but Lars just drags them down. The worst part is, that the rest of the band actually go along with the 'let's time every accent way too fast' style of Ulrich.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 26, 2014, 07:26:08 AM
St. Anger is kickass. I'v been listening to it a lot lately. I'm not gonna start this argument again, I just want to express how much of a shame i feel it is that it's reputation is as a joke. I really hope in the years to come there will be more respect for it. I don't even think the band plays any of the songs live, do they?

Although I do wonder how a live performance of Invisible Kid would be. I'v never watched them play it. I'm gonna go look and see if there's a video.
I like St. Anger.  It's what I would call a "grower" because I like it more over time than I did initially.  And I agree that it's reputation will grow with time.  I tend to give it a spin in the CD player more often than "Load" or "Re-Load."  It's biggest problem is that Bob Rock didn't do his job by bothering to edit or curtail the band from going overboard with Pro Tools -- songs that are OK on St. Anger at 8 minutes long could've been really popping if trimmed to 5.5 minutes.

During the course of that tour and subsequent tours and one-off shows they've played most of the songs from the album at one point or another, but not "Invisible Kid," "Shoot Me Again," "Purify" or "My World."  The original release of "St. Anger" came with a DVD of them playing the whole album live in the studio, so clips from that are your only place to see "Invisible Kid" performed "live" at this point.  In time I suspect they'll play the remaining songs on tour somewhere -- those four "St. Anger" songs are the only songs they have left that they haven't played live at some point.

The one played the most was "Frantic" but it had certain modifications live -- trimmed slightly live and a guitar solo added by Kirk.  Here's the breakdown of the rest:

"Frantic" and "Dirty Window" were last played during the 30th anniversary Fillmore shows in 2011.
"St. Anger"  hasn't been played since 2006.
"Sweet Amber" was only played 9/4/04 in Lubbock, TX
"Some Kind of Monster" was last played 8/27/04 in Chicago (it's only been played 3 times).
"Unnamed Feeling" was last played 3/14/04 in Fresno, CA (it's only been played 5 times).
"All Within My Hands" was only played at the two Bridge School Benefit shows in 2007.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 07:34:27 AM
Lars has actually improved recently but still speeds up. Kirk however can barely play a solo accurately.

Back in 2004-2006 kind of time you would listen to them live just waiting for Lars to completely screw up - but he barely messes up these days - just plays a bit fast whereas Kirk can hardly play a solo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on January 26, 2014, 08:06:53 AM
I disagree. I think Kirk has a very cool soloing style. He tends to be a little sloppy, he's certainly no JP/Satriani/Vai kind of player. I mean, Page was sloppy as well but rocked nonetheless. I think the same can be said for KH.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 08:44:32 AM
Listening to Kirk solo - he goes way off the tempo and just faffs until he can accent on a downbeat. he does it all the time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 26, 2014, 11:44:20 AM
I'm with kotowboy on this one (how the fuck do we not have an easier, abbreviated nickname for you by now?!) Kirk seems to shoehorn groups of notes which are played in threes either into a triplet feel when they aren't or vice versa (never sat down with it to figure it out) he bends notes sourly, and is pretty badly awkward with a wah pedal for someone who's probably used one since the late 70s.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 26, 2014, 11:47:30 AM
I'm with you guys. Is the problem here just not practising, just like with Lars? It'd be awesome if he could nail things like the solo from The Struggle Within (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25jGtm41LcA) again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 12:07:37 PM
Lars has said he's been practicing to music recently - and I think the 2012 tour at least shows.

The Black Album Anniversary shows were a big improvement for him.

I'm with kotowboy on this one (how the fuck do we not have an easier, abbreviated nickname for you by now?!)

K.B.  or Dave.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 26, 2014, 12:21:44 PM
That's true. I still don't like his fills (especially compared to the 80s-early 90s) and his timing/speeding up is still bad, but at least he's got some speed back.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 26, 2014, 12:33:31 PM
I'm surprised how Kirk Hammett gets little credit as a guitarist. He's not as popular as Lars or Kirk.

Dave Mustaine is considered a guitar legend, or will be. But none of the Metallica guys have a reputation like that. And they're the more popular band.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 26, 2014, 01:08:06 PM
I'm surprised how Kirk Hammett gets little credit as a guitarist. He's not as popular as Lars or Kirk.
:lol
I'm assuming you meant James, but I'd agree that Kirk of today is not as popular as Kirk of thirty or even twenty years ago.  Compared to Lars, I'd disagree that Lars is more popular. Nevermind, forget that. No matter how much crap Kirk may get, Lars is still the more popular punching bag of Metallica.

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Dave Mustaine is considered a guitar legend, or will be. But none of the Metallica guys have a reputation like that. And they're the more popular band.
I guess it depends upon whom you talk to, but I don't know if I'd consider him to be a guitar legend. In his glory days, I'd say Dave was infinitely more innovative and interesting as a guitarist, but I don't think I'd place him up with Jimmy Page, Dave Gilmour, Tony Iommi, Alex Liefson or any other legends that could be named.

As for their popularity, well, I guess that just speaks to how popularity and quality do not always go hand-in-hand.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on January 26, 2014, 01:15:54 PM
I'm surprised how Kirk Hammett gets little credit as a guitarist. He's not as popular as Lars or Kirk.
:lol
I'm assuming you meant James, but I'd agree that Kirk of today is not as popular as Kirk of thirty or even twenty years ago.  Compared to Lars, I'd disagree that Lars is more popular. Nevermind, forget that. No matter how much crap Kirk may get, Lars is still the more popular punching bag of Metallica.

You people are confusing the hell out of me.   :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 26, 2014, 01:22:00 PM
I'm surprised how Kirk Hammett gets little credit as a guitarist. He's not as popular as Lars or Kirk.
:lol
I'm assuming you meant James, but I'd agree that Kirk of today is not as popular as Kirk of thirty or even twenty years ago.  Compared to Lars, I'd disagree that Lars is more popular. Nevermind, forget that. No matter how much crap Kirk may get, Lars is still the more popular punching bag of Metallica.

You people are confusing the hell out of me.   :lol
:facepalm: :lol

It sounded fine in my head!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 26, 2014, 01:29:50 PM
Kirk came from Exodus. Exodus is still around, right? Haven't listened to them. Are they a thrash band? When I hear Exodus mentioned I think of them as a death metal band.

I never really hear or read any positive comments about Kirk. I often hear things like: he's mediocre, his solos are bland, not original. I'm curious about how much of Metallicas songwriting can be credited to him. And is he the only one that gets to play guitar solos, on recordings and live?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 26, 2014, 01:57:37 PM
James plays a couple solos, I can think of 3 or 4 but its mainly Kirk.  Kirk just has terrible intonation, which is the main reason I can't stand his incessant, incoherent wankfests.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 26, 2014, 02:55:58 PM
James is not spoken of highly as a lead guitarist because that's not what he is.  However, he is pound for pound one of the best rhythm guitarists out there and gets much love for that from fans, fellow musicians and critics alike.   :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 26, 2014, 02:58:36 PM
60% of the time, his solos are better than Kirks.  Every time. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on January 26, 2014, 03:03:04 PM
60% of the time, his solos are better than Kirks.  Every time.
:rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 26, 2014, 03:58:37 PM
James is much better at soloing than Kirk - he may not be technical or fast or shreddy but he plays for the song and it's always tasteful.

I had a thought recently. Since James recorded *all* rhythms for The Black Album and recorded the Nothing Else Matters solo - that means that

Kirk is not even on that song at all :lol

Some of James' best solos :

• Nothing Else Matters
• First half of Master Of Puppets
• First half of Suicide & Redemption


There's a comprehensive list on the net of all James' solos and you'd be surprised which ones are his.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on January 26, 2014, 04:03:39 PM
Kirk came from Exodus. Exodus is still around, right? Haven't listened to them. Are they a thrash band? When I hear Exodus mentioned I think of them as a death metal band.
Exodus is doing better than ever these days, and you aren't completely off with the Death Metal thought. With the addition of Rob Dukes, their already visceral sound is the complete package.

But there older stuff is definitely thrash.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 26, 2014, 05:15:35 PM
James' solo on To Live is To Die is probably one of the best Metallica solos of like, ever. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on January 26, 2014, 09:40:35 PM
Kirk came from Exodus. Exodus is still around, right? Haven't listened to them. Are they a thrash band? When I hear Exodus mentioned I think of them as a death metal band.
Exodus is doing better than ever these days, and you aren't completely off with the Death Metal thought. With the addition of Rob Dukes, their already visceral sound is the complete package.

But there older stuff is definitely thrash.

I have not heard a lot of their stuff with Dukes, but what I have heard is *VERY* impressive. 

I have a difficult time listening to really aggressive music any more....but I know the style so well from my youth that I can tell when it's being done well.   I heard a few tracks from Shovel Headed Kill Machine and Exhibit A, and I was pretty blown away.    Mostly, I was just surprised that they didn't get a Souza clone...that probably would have been the better business decision.   But I've never been a fan of "the smart business decision" when it comes to music.    I think integrity is more important, and right now I think Exodus has it in spades.   

He actually sounds a bit more like Baloff to me.   Maybe that's what they were going for.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: pain of occupation on January 26, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
trying to remember who said no one's ever accused metallica of being artsy.
i thought they were insta-artsy as soon as the UIS video dropped.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on January 27, 2014, 12:55:23 AM
Was listening to Lulu. For the most part the sound of the guitars, drums etc. have the same 'sound' as DM. Seems like that's where they're comfortable. I will say that I kinda hope on the next one they write in a way thats less reliant on compiling a bunch of riffs from demos into a song, and go more with, you know, Feeling, so that the songs flow better. I like DM a lot, and that's my only complaint. I feel like the thrash side played a big part in DM because they feel some pressure, but they still did stuff like Unforgiven. You know, the 'commercial' stuff people hate so much. I hope they go about the next one in a similar way.

BTW, what Metallica album would you guys say DM is the most similar to?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ruba on January 27, 2014, 03:40:06 AM
I just listened to ...And Justice for All. I had forgotten how great it is. There are three songs I don't like that much, but that are good nevertheless (The Shortest Straw, Harvester of Sorrow, The Frayed Ends of Sanity). The remaining six songs are awesome. Easily better album than TBA. I wish they'd written more songs like on this album, with lengthy and melodic instrumental passages. TBA's melodic content is by far inferior. One thing about bugs me though. Lars plays very often something slightly off-beat.

Eye of the Beholder is a real kick-ass song. Why haven't they played in its entirety since Damaged Justice tour?

I can't really rank albums, since I haven't heard all of Kill 'Em All. I haven't listened to Ride the Lightning as an album, only the individual songs. But since I don't care about thrash metal anymore, those albums aren't exactly my thing. KEA is pretty much Diamond Head played 20% faster. Ride the Lightning has awful production and worst James vocals IMO. I have heard St.Anger only once and haven't listened too much to Death Magnetic either. But some kind of ranking could be:

Master of Puppets
Load
...And Justice for All
--------------------------
ReLoad
Metallica
--------------------------
Ride the Lightning
Kill 'Em All
St. Anger

No Leaf Clover and -Human are great IMO, but I don't like I Disappear. It has awesome chorus, but rest of the song is quite bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 27, 2014, 03:51:41 AM
Heyyyy hey HEY!

FatAlbertcore :metal

Man, they really didn't work out that piano collab with Ken Jeong at the Grammy's tonight. It's like stepping on some grapes with your dirty bare feet and immediately pouring the juice into a glass and calling it cabernet.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 27, 2014, 04:17:19 AM
BTW, what Metallica album would you guys say DM is the most similar to?

I think of DM as the missing link between AJFA and TBA.  It seems like a 'perfect' melding of the two. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 27, 2014, 04:28:56 AM
Heyyyy hey HEY!

FatAlbertcore :metal

Man, they really didn't work out that piano collab with Ken Jeong at the Grammy's tonight. It's like stepping on some grapes with your dirty bare feet and immediately pouring the juice into a glass and calling it cabernet.
I gotta say, the collab not working out was mainly due to the complete lack of tempo stability (mainly Lars' fault). If they would have played it tight and not too fast, it would have been great. The concept was pretty cool anyway. I really liked Lang Lang nailing the guitar solo :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 27, 2014, 04:54:26 AM
Heyyyy hey HEY!

FatAlbertcore :metal

Man, they really didn't work out that piano collab with Ken Jeong at the Grammy's tonight. It's like stepping on some grapes with your dirty bare feet and immediately pouring the juice into a glass and calling it cabernet.
I gotta say, the collab not working out was mainly due to the complete lack of tempo stability (mainly Lars' fault). If they would have played it tight and not too fast, it would have been great. The concept was pretty cool anyway. I really liked Lang Lang nailing the guitar solo :P

I'm watching it now, and I totally agree with you. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on January 27, 2014, 05:05:45 AM
It was a bit better than I was expecting as far as the band's performance goes. But I don't think the piano part jived with the song at all for the most part.

Still, it's great to have an actual metal band perform at the Grammys and hopefully get more people interested in metal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2014, 05:10:34 AM
BTW, what Metallica album would you guys say DM is the most similar to?

I think of DM as the missing link between AJFA and TBA.  It seems like a 'perfect' melding of the two.

Yeah somewhere between there. If DM had the production of the black album it may have ben one of their best.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 27, 2014, 05:15:06 AM
Just watching the Grammy performance. James sounds good and no facial hair ! :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on January 27, 2014, 06:06:23 AM
OH LOOK, RANKINGS ON DTF, MAKES A CHANGE.

I love it though.

1. ...And Justice For All
2. Master of Puppets
3. Load
4. Metallica
5. Death Magnetic
6. Ride the Lightning
7. Reload
8. Kill 'Em All
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on January 27, 2014, 09:11:02 AM
1. Ride the Lightning
2. Load
3. Master of Puppets
4. Metallica
5. ... And Justice For All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Kill 'Em All
8. Reload
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 27, 2014, 10:47:16 AM
Just watched the Grammy performance... A few thoughts...

I watched on my crappy computer speakers at work, so the sound wasn't great but it sounded like Lang Lang was playing some cool stuff.

James sounded awesome!!

Lars' timing and tempos were really shakey.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 27, 2014, 11:35:57 AM
James sounded very good indeed, maybe the best he's sounded since the nineties? He also looked a lot better without the goatee and hair dye.

Quoting comment from Youtube: "The pianist might be good but he totally messed up this performance."
Lol, no. That was Lars. If he would've kept the same tempo (and preferably not much faster than the album version) it would've sounded great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 27, 2014, 11:45:02 AM
James sounded very good indeed, maybe the best he's sounded since the nineties? He also looked a lot better without the goatee and hair dye.

Quoting comment from Youtube: "The pianist might be good but he totally messed up this performance."
Lol, no. That was Lars. If he would've kept the same tempo (and preferably not much faster than the album version) it would've sounded great.

I respectfully digress with that statement. 

Anywho, I didn't mind that performance of One at the Grammys with the pianist.  It's a decent twist of a song we've been hearing a lot on radio, live, etc. for up to 25 years.  Is it perfect?  No, maybe not.  Was it enjoyable?  I say yes and, at the end of the day, that is what is all about.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: OsMosis2259 on January 27, 2014, 01:08:59 PM
1. Master of Puppets
2. ... And Justice For All
3. Metallica
4. Ride the Lightning
5. Death Magnetic
6. Kill 'Em All
7. Load
8. Reload
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 27, 2014, 01:20:04 PM
I thought the piano didn't fit at all. And that was just a sad performance for Lars.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 27, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
1. Nevermind
2. Bleach
3. Incesticide
4. Unplugged in New York
5. In Utero
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on January 27, 2014, 05:50:10 PM
...

 :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 27, 2014, 06:01:15 PM
1. In Utero
2. Nevermind
3. Bleach
4. Incesticide
5. Unplugged in New York


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 27, 2014, 11:42:08 PM
I thought the piano didn't fit at all. And that was just a sad performance for Lars.

That. The piano did have a couple of cool moments, but it didn't work with Metallica's performance overall (and I think the band's intonation was slightly off too). I almost feel sorry for Hetfield being stuck with those other guys.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 28, 2014, 12:12:24 AM
I thought the piano didn't fit at all. And that was just a sad performance for Lars.

That. The piano did have a couple of cool moments, but it didn't work with Metallica's performance overall (and I think the band's intonation was slightly off too). I almost feel sorry for Hetfield being stuck with those other guys.

Yeah, now that you mention it.  He's the only one who seems to really give a shit enough to at least work on his shortcomings.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 28, 2014, 12:15:10 AM
I think Trujillo's cool too. He's just woefully underutilized.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 28, 2014, 12:16:16 AM
Oh yeah, definitely.  I didn't count him cos the whole thing is still relatively 'new' for him, at least in comparison to the other guys.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 28, 2014, 12:17:54 AM
It'd be awesome to see a Het/Trujillo/Mustaine/Lombardo EP.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on January 28, 2014, 12:26:49 AM
I think Trujillo's cool too. He's just woefully underutilized.

Agreed, but I'm not counting him since he's a newer member, and not part of the core member suckage.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 28, 2014, 12:33:12 AM
I'm sure most of us have seen that cool clip where Rob's fucking around with flamenco shit on acoustic and straight shreddin. It'd be cool if they had some of that on an album some time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on January 28, 2014, 06:52:15 AM
That video's hilarious, because Kirk comes in and has this look of "what the fuck, I'm supposed to be the guy awesome with guitar!!!" and tries shredding out on his guitar for a few seconds before giving up.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 28, 2014, 09:17:05 AM
Kirk probably tried to get wild and go outside of E minor and quickly became uncomfortable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2014, 11:00:39 AM
It's because Rob was playing in Phrygian and Locrian and Kirk was way out of his league :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 28, 2014, 06:09:58 PM
Kirk knows dominant phrygian.  Js. 

 :police:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2014, 06:14:57 PM
I know . Just kidding. The Roam solo is proof of this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 28, 2014, 06:16:11 PM
just yanking ya chain mate ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 28, 2014, 06:24:15 PM
:hifive:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on January 28, 2014, 07:17:45 PM
Eye of the Beholder's solo is pretty exotic sounding. Anyone care to hip me to what mode that's in?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 28, 2014, 08:25:55 PM
They already passed 6 minutes. Why not just play the whole damn song?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 30, 2014, 10:26:52 AM
Hetfield : " Orion festival was a Financial Disaster - so that can't happen again. "

:clap: :lol

Metallica ! Making terrible decisions since 2001 !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 30, 2014, 12:22:21 PM
I'm kinda bummed out that the Orion Festival failed.  It might have been built to a platform that would have helped out a lot of bands to gain better traction in the US.  What a shame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on January 30, 2014, 01:47:54 PM
Well they tried.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on January 30, 2014, 01:54:11 PM
Eye of the Beholder's solo is pretty exotic sounding. Anyone care to hip me to what mode that's in?

That could be Phrygian Dominant too I think.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
Anyone going to see Metallica By Request in Helsinki this summer ?
http://www.metallicabyrequest.com/results.php?s=42
You're getting Frayed Ends Of Sanity.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on January 31, 2014, 10:18:11 AM
I bet Lars doesn't play that awesome drum bit at the 4 minute mark.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2014, 10:23:05 AM
I love that china sound in the intro.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 31, 2014, 11:12:57 AM
Wow, I just looked at a Denmark setlist.  They might play St. Anger (song) in that show.  I didn't think that it was on any fan's radar to wanting it get played.  Some of the Germany shows have it as well.  Wow, this is totally unexpected.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on January 31, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
I bet Lars doesn't play that awesome drum bit at the 4 minute mark.
It's really short, but that is one of my favourite drum fills in any Metallica song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mindflux on January 31, 2014, 11:55:30 AM
You guys see Lars did an AMA on Reddit yesterday?

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1wl9ic/hey_its_lars_from_metallica_ama/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2014, 12:49:19 PM
I did and he didn't give much new info away.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2014, 12:50:19 PM
I bet Lars doesn't play that awesome drum bit at the 4 minute mark.
It's really short, but that is one of my favourite drum fills in any Metallica song.
There's a similar drum fill in Rebel Of Babylon - albeit played with much less precision.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 20, 2014, 01:37:44 PM
New Kirk Hammett interview in Kerrang! this week.

" We still have not started ".

JFC. Does anyone really even care anymore ?

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on February 20, 2014, 06:37:27 PM
Yes.  But the waiting always sucks. :tdwn
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 20, 2014, 09:57:51 PM
New Kirk Hammett interview in Kerrang! this week.

" We still have not started ".

JFC. Does anyone really even care anymore ?

Well, I'll still listen to anything new from Metallica when they are good and ready although they should have been good and ready for about the last, let's say, three years or so.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2014, 05:48:10 AM
If they'd started in 2011 when they originally planned to instead of doing the movie which nobody went to see - the album would be pretty much out now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 16, 2014, 03:44:16 PM
Metallica are playing a brand new song at their gig tonight.

It should be all over the net tomorrow but i'm not holding out much hope of it being any good.

"Death is Not the End" was slightly better than St Anger material but they chopped it up and made two better songs out of it.

And " Vulturus" was laughable.

I think either it will be short-ish and punchy like Cyanide or really too long like All nightmare Long or Death is Not the End.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on March 16, 2014, 03:49:26 PM
Metallica are playing a brand new song at their gig tonight.

It should be all over the net tomorrow but i'm not holding out much hope of it being any good.


 ::) ::) ::)  Yep, let's start the pre-judging and hating BEFORE they even play the new song.  There's no possible way it could be any good....   ::)

Frankly, I appreciate that they try new stuff out and then refine it based on how it feels live and how the crowd reacts.  Not many bands of that size would do that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 16, 2014, 04:38:28 PM
I'm with Rick. Kotowboy, I wonder what enjoyment you get out of listening to Metallica or posting in this thread since upwards of 90% of your posts regarding them are blatantly negative.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 16, 2014, 07:58:52 PM
Metallica are playing a brand new song at their gig tonight.

It should be all over the net tomorrow but i'm not holding out much hope of it being any good.


 ::) ::) ::)  Yep, let's start the pre-judging and hating BEFORE they even play the new song.  There's no possible way it could be any good....   ::)

Frankly, I appreciate that they try new stuff out and then refine it based on how it feels live and how the crowd reacts.  Not many bands of that size would do that.

Basically this. I know regardless they're gonna get shit but before we've even heard the song, that's ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 16, 2014, 08:31:17 PM
We'll see how it goes. I'm expecting DM rehash pt 2. I think they're past the point of surprising us any more. They're settled into their rut.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 16, 2014, 08:37:41 PM
In my opinion, the rut somewhat began on the black album and has continued to the present. DM was at least throwing a bone to those whom never acquired the taste of the Loads or SA.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 16, 2014, 08:52:59 PM
Only if you mistake "rut" for "music I don't like". That was actually the period where they mixed it up the most.
RTL/MOP/AJFA were all very samey, as good as they were. They really needed to break it up at that point, and TBA did that very successfully. Then they threw a curveball with Load and Reload instead of just making TBA pt 2. Then they did an orchestral live album. They were still doing what they wanted at that point, and doing unexpected things. And then they did SA, which while it sucked, was still starkly different in many ways.

DM was the first time they stopped progressing as a band and basically became a nostalgia act. DM was throwing a bone to the stubborn thrash fans who won't accept anything that isn't mindlessly thrashing an E string at 200bpm. And DM proved that that is literally all those fans wanted, because that album wasn't even worthy of tying TBA's shoes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 16, 2014, 08:53:59 PM
Found a small clip of it.  Sounds promising but I'm sure some of you will find something to nitpick at it that makes it look unsatisfying to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ3f176wFZM
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 16, 2014, 08:58:57 PM
I can't judge a song from that short a clip, especially with no chorus or vocal sections at all, but I liked what I heard. It sounded more neutral/natural in style for Metallica, and not forced.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 16, 2014, 09:07:15 PM
DM was the first time they stopped progressing as a band and basically became a nostalgia act. DM was throwing a bone to the stubborn thrash fans who won't accept anything that isn't mindlessly thrashing an E string at 200bpm. And DM proved that that is literally all those fans wanted, because that album wasn't even worthy of tying TBA's shoes.

Christ dude. We get it. You're incapable of accepting that some people didn't like tba/Loads for what they were, not just because they were shit albums in some folks' opinions so you insist on being a generalizing, condescending snob toward them even though many of us don't even have thrash in our top five favorite genres.

As for mixing it up? Any significant change is mixing it up. It still was way simplistic, bland, and mediocre to many of us. I can't change the fact that those three (two, really) albums came out but if some people liked them then I'm glad someone got something out of 'em.

Basically DM provides for many of us the much-needed relief from Load-SA that tba provided for you from the golden three though you probably like the golden three a lot more than the Load-SA dissentors liked that era yet instead of realizing that both sides of this argument have similar gripes, you act like there's some kind of objective basis for your viewpoint and that the others are some Exodus shirt-wearing neanderthals.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on March 16, 2014, 09:10:19 PM
Liking what I hear in that short clip. Can't wait to hear the whole thing. :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 16, 2014, 09:10:49 PM
......and a big hello to all you Exodus fans - if you can read this  ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 16, 2014, 09:18:35 PM
Are we really dissing Exodus in here? Exodus are so rad. :I
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 16, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
Are we really dissing Exodus in here? Exodus are so rad. :I

I'm not ..............was just having a bit of fun with what black_floyd said at the end of his post.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 16, 2014, 09:21:15 PM
DM was the first time they stopped progressing as a band and basically became a nostalgia act. DM was throwing a bone to the stubborn thrash fans who won't accept anything that isn't mindlessly thrashing an E string at 200bpm. And DM proved that that is literally all those fans wanted, because that album wasn't even worthy of tying TBA's shoes.

Christ dude. We get it. You're incapable of accepting that some people didn't like tba/Loads for what they were, not just because they were shit albums in some folks' opinions so you insist on being a generalizing, condescending snob toward them even though many of us don't even have thrash in our top five favorite genres.

As for mixing it up? Any significant change is mixing it up. It still was way simplistic, bland, and mediocre to many of us. I can't change the fact that those three (two, really) albums came out but if some people liked them then I'm glad someone got something out of 'em.

Basically DM provides for many of us the much-needed relief from Load-SA that tba provided for you from the golden three though you probably like the golden three a lot more than the Load-SA dissentors liked that era yet instead of realizing that both sides of this argument have similar gripes, you act like there's some kind of objective basis for your viewpoint and that the others are some Exodus shirt-wearing neanderthals.

 :chill
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 16, 2014, 09:22:56 PM
In other news...

I'm digging what I hear in that clip. It's far too early to give a solid opinion, not to mention from a 15 second clip, but not bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on March 17, 2014, 01:02:55 AM
Here's the whole song (best quality I could find):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7rh_eL9Jlc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7rh_eL9Jlc)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on March 17, 2014, 01:26:04 AM
I quite like that song.

EDIT: It's a bit on the long side though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on March 17, 2014, 01:29:21 AM
Well, it definitely sounds like a Metallica song, I'll give them that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 17, 2014, 01:38:08 AM
That was a good quality recording.

The song definitely had potential. It was a bit bloated in the intro riffing, and the vocal melodies were back to very simplistic, but it had some really good riffing, and the instrumental section sounded very AJFA to me, with the guitar harmonies followed by the solo.
And I was impressed with their performance. Lars was downright solid, so the riffing was super tight, Hetfield was sounding good, and Hammett's soloing was ok too.

It sounds like the album might be going in the right direction. But what is a lord of summer? That doesn't sound very threatening or metal. It sounds like someone's about to throw a beach party.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on March 17, 2014, 04:52:09 AM
I liked the song, pretty much what I expected from Metallica at this point.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 06:00:26 AM
Actually pretty decent.

Everyone seemed to be on top form especially Lars who was SOL-ID.


James sounded strong too. The high notes were powerful and he didn't sound like his voice would go at any second . He really has been getting help.

Looking forward to hearing the soundboard in a few days.


--And yes - i'd rather listen to Load than Death Magnetic too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on March 17, 2014, 06:00:40 AM
I liked the song, pretty much what I expected from Metallica at this point.

:iagree:  I'll give that a thumbs up -- definitely heading in the right direction there.  :tup They often take a new song idea and then carve it into a couple other pieces or whittle it down by the time it makes it to a CD, so I'm sure there will be more refinements.  I'm pleased.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on March 17, 2014, 06:02:03 AM
The instrumental section is good, especially if compared to DM. The rest is average.

It sounds like the album might be going in the right direction. But what is a lord of summer? That doesn't sound very threatening or metal. It sounds like someone's about to throw a beach party.

Lord of [Insert menacing word] would be too generic  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 06:04:05 AM
My theory is that it could be a plea for the Gods to bring the "summer" of your life...i.e to move on from the "winter".

A plea to get out of a bad patch of your life ?

But then again it could be just a song about touring as they usually tour spring / summer time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on March 17, 2014, 06:05:23 AM
On their Facebook post Metallica refer to the song as "a brand new song title (for now) "The Lords of Summer." "  So we'll see if the name sticks....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 06:05:41 AM
I liked the song, pretty much what I expected from Metallica at this point.

:iagree:  I'll give that a thumbs up -- definitely heading in the right direction there.  :tup They often take a new song idea and then carve it into a couple other pieces or whittle it down by the time it makes it to a CD, so I'm sure there will be more refinements.  I'm pleased.


Yeah and this is *already* fuck loads better than Death Is Not The End. It doesn't sound so pieced together. It is long but it flows and you don't really notice it's 8 minutes long -

- whereas DINTE was just *long*. - So glad they chopped it up and made two better songs out of it. And really glad they ditched "Vulturus" altogether ! ;D
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 17, 2014, 06:06:27 AM
The instrumental section is good, especially if compared to DM. The rest is average.

It sounds like the album might be going in the right direction. But what is a lord of summer? That doesn't sound very threatening or metal. It sounds like someone's about to throw a beach party.

Lord of [Insert menacing word] would be too generic  :lol

Then it would fit the music. :P
Lords of Winter could have worked, but seasons just aren't otherwise threatening. They should call it Lords of Time, and make it about Doctor Who!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 06:16:05 AM
I can see the YouTube comments :lol

"Lords of metal have returned. We wait Indonesia. Love you james rob Kirk Lars greatest band world "

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 17, 2014, 06:19:17 AM
Me love Lars long time  :-*

That song actually sounds quite decent  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 06:41:21 AM
The arrangement is pretty much exactly what I was expecting but the music and performances were way better.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: YOWspotter on March 17, 2014, 08:13:17 AM
Nice, solid rocker.  I can't wait to hear the sound board version.

If this is the direction they're heading for the new album, I approve.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 17, 2014, 08:35:17 AM
I enjoyed that song, was it amazing? Not really, but it was definitely a pretty solid rocker.  Lars was playing much better in that clip too, which is good to see.

Hearing that song makes me look forward to hearing more new music from them, who knows how long that will take but, they successfully peaked my interest again with that tune.

The big question for me will be how that song ends up translating on the album, meaning, will the production help or hurt the song itself?  Honestly if they took that song exactly like they just performed it, same arrangement, same parts, same vocals, and recorded it with Black Album quality sonics, I would buy it in a heartbeat and rock out to it hard!  :metal

On the flip side, if recent albums are indicators of the sonic treatment this song could receive in the studio, the finished product would be much less exciting, to me at least.

Overall though, I liked the song and it is a promising move forward for the band, I just hope a solid song doesn't get hurt by sub-par recording, mixing, and mastering.
 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on March 17, 2014, 09:46:03 AM
WHERE IS LARS AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH HIM!!!

Song sounds real good but the biggest surprise is Lars for sure!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 17, 2014, 10:06:14 AM
Woah. I was definitely surprised by Lars' performance. Like others have said, pretty solid.

I think it was pretty alright. I especially liked the instrumental section. I've heard them go on record saying that it sounds very much like a continuation of DM, and if this is the direction they're going for, you won't hear any complaints from me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 17, 2014, 11:18:05 AM
It's a good Metallica song.   
 
If I have an issue with it, it's the same issue I've had with Metallica since 1989.   
 
Metallica almost single handedly invented a new genre with KEA.   Then perfected and created *the* template for almost every thrash metal album that would ever after it with RtL.   Heck, it worked so well that they repeated the format twice themselves.   The famous trifecta albums all follow a nearly identical format that would be copied by very nearly EVERYONE.   
 
But by the third album with that format (AJFA) Metallica was becoming "Metallica by the numbers".    I wanted them to change.   I DIDN'T want Ride the Lightning - Part 4.    I knew that the next album was either going to have to break new ground, or Metallica was dead in the water.   I just didn't want them to commercialize.    They could have shortened the songs and gone MORE brutal.   They could have streamlined ideas and pursued different influences to incorporate into the speed metal they were already putting out.    They had been inspired, and practically invented a new style of music...couldn't they push themselves into unexplored territory and invent *something else* that was new?    Nope, instead they just decided to simplify, commercialize, and just release a really good Judas Priest album.   And it made them metal legends, and millionaires.   
 
Then they went grunge/alt-rock/country-western and people went nuts.   So now they figure they have to go back to "Metallica by the numbers" and release that "Ride the Lightning Part 4" that everyone (but not me) seemed to want.     I'm glad it's working for them.   Looks like the new album will be "Ride the Lightning Part 5", and people are really digging that.    I'm happy for them and their fans.   
 
It is a good Metallica song....but I've heard it.    It's like a new Motorhead song.   I haven't heard it yet, but I have heard it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 17, 2014, 11:22:07 AM
How was AJfA... by the numbers?
Each Metallica album has it's own identity, each one with a different aesthetic feel to it, I don't see how you could say any were by the numbers, except for DM which is still a great album if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 11:30:06 AM
Death Magnetic was probably the first album where they deliberately set out to sound like an older version of themselves.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 17, 2014, 11:33:54 AM
Start with a thrasher - FFWF, Battery, Blackened
Epic title track - RtL, MoP, AJFA
Mid tempo anthem - FWtBT, TTTSNB, EOTB
Ballad becomes thrasher - FtB, WHS, One

The side 2's of each album rearrange slightly, but the pieces are all there.

Mini-epic anthem - CD, DH, FEOS
Mid tempo bouncer - Escape, LM, (then AJFA has two of these on side two with SS and HoS)
Instrumental - CoK, Orion, TLiTD
Thrasher - TUI, DI, DE

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wkiml on March 17, 2014, 11:36:48 AM
my biggest problem with Metallica is the best albums (KEA-AJFA) they were angry, drug using alcohol swilling musicians and it came across in the agressive nature of the albums. They got older, sober and starting having families and the anger/agression disappeared
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 17, 2014, 11:52:44 AM
my biggest problem with Metallica is the best albums (KEA-AJFA) they were angry, drug using alcohol swilling musicians and it came across in the agressive nature of the albums. They got older, sober and starting having families and the anger/agression disappeared

Agreed.  That's the thing about Metallica's style of music (which they helped to invent).  In order to really do it well, you kind of have to be pissed off and messed up to convey the proper attitude to go along with the music.  As you mentioned, in the early days they had that attitude, now not so much.

I would argue that as far as their live shows are concerned, that period of anger, drug use, etc... lasted way past the AJFA days, personally I think their Black Album tour was their peak as a live act, but I still agree with your point.  The tricky part is that you can't really wish their lives to go back to that, just so they can make great songs again.  I would never wish any of them, especially James to go back to that lifestyle, they are happy now and thats great, the reality is that their music will just probably never capture that aggression and anger again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 11:54:02 AM
Start with a thrasher - FFWF, Battery, Blackened
Epic title track - RtL, MoP, AJFA
Mid tempo anthem - FWtBT, TTTSNB, EOTB
Ballad becomes thrasher - FtB, WHS, One

The side 2's of each album rearrange slightly, but the pieces are all there.

Mini-epic anthem - CD, DH, FEOS
Mid tempo bouncer - Escape, LM, (then AJFA has two of these on side two with SS and HoS)
Instrumental - CoK, Orion, TLiTD
Thrasher - TUI, DI, DE

They tried to go back to this arrangement on DM too. Albeit with 10 songs and not 8
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 17, 2014, 11:57:49 AM
You guys, you don't have to be a messed up, angry person to write aggressive music. Check out Sockweb, a grindcore duo consisting of a dad and his 7 year old daughter. Some heavy as fuck music, and they're just having fun.

I attribute the change partially just due to the music being very demanding to play, especially as you get older.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 17, 2014, 12:09:26 PM
You guys, you don't have to be a messed up, angry person to write aggressive music. Check out Sockweb, a grindcore duo consisting of a dad and his 7 year old daughter. Some heavy as fuck music, and they're just having fun.

I attribute the change partially just due to the music being very demanding to play, especially as you get older.

Sure I guess anybody could write heavy guitar riffs and put double bass drums to them, whether those people are happy or not doesn't really matter.  For me it came down to the attitude of the riffs and drums on early Metallica stuff, it had a different vibe to it because of the emotion behind it.  I just googled Sockweb quickly because I had never heard of them before and listened to a song. It had heavy guitar riffs and really fast drumming but didn't convey any emotion to me at all, keep in mind I only listened to one song.  Early Metallica stuff, to me, was great because of the emotion and attitude behind each riff.

I guess I'm not saying that is a general rule for every heavy band out there, I love a bunch of heavy rock/metal Christian bands who aren't angry or on drugs but make great music.  I was just saying that it seems like my favorite Metallica material was created when the band had that lifestyle and attitude, so maybe for Metallica and some other bands similar to them, is it something to be considered.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 17, 2014, 01:13:11 PM
The thing is, and this is just the process of life, is that Metallica back in the 80s had probably an Us vs Them mentality with those guys being US against everything (including glam metal, I believe) and once they pretty much conquered all there is left to conquer, what is there left to do?  Now we are in the 10s and they are now the them in the us vs them mentality.

A better way to address this is that Metallica used to be underdogs of sorts and now they are no longer underdogs and that they don't that chip in the shoulder anymore and quite honestly, this was by no means their fault.  It is just how life is.  So if they go ahead release an album like DM within x amount of years, that's fine.  I can't really ask for anything more than that from them, these days. 

Honestly, if all four guys are content with their lifestyle, they don't really have to push the envelope creatively.  I mean, obviously, we want them to that and make some compelling songs in the process, but they don't have to fulfill any obligations of that sort.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 17, 2014, 01:57:06 PM
The thing is, and this is just the process of life, is that Metallica back in the 80s had probably an Us vs Them mentality with those guys being US against everything (including glam metal, I believe) and once they pretty much conquered all there is left to conquer, what is there left to do?  Now we are in the 10s and they are now the them in the us vs them mentality.

A better way to address this is that Metallica used to be underdogs of sorts and now they are no longer underdogs and that they don't that chip in the shoulder anymore and quite honestly, this was by no means their fault.  It is just how life is.  So if they go ahead release an album like DM within x amount of years, that's fine.  I can't really ask for anything more than that from them, these days. 

Honestly, if all four guys are content with their lifestyle, they don't really have to push the envelope creatively.  I mean, obviously, we want them to that and make some compelling songs in the process, but they don't have to fulfill any obligations of that sort.

Yes. All that. But - just jam and write - try not to re-write Metallica or Master of Puppets or And Justice For All. Just jam and see what happens.

Music is best when it flows out of you - not when it is rigidly forced into a certain style or genre.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on March 17, 2014, 06:01:54 PM
FUCK I DIDN'T GO TO THE CONCERT KILL ME NOW JUST FUCKING KILL ME


Lords of Summer seems like another step in the right direction after Beyond Magnetic. Good Track.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 17, 2014, 06:36:53 PM
Lords of Phantom
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 17, 2014, 08:18:57 PM
Start with a thrasher - FFWF, Battery, Blackened
Epic title track - RtL, MoP, AJFA
Mid tempo anthem - FWtBT, TTTSNB, EOTB
Ballad becomes thrasher - FtB, WHS, One

The side 2's of each album rearrange slightly, but the pieces are all there.

Mini-epic anthem - CD, DH, FEOS
Mid tempo bouncer - Escape, LM, (then AJFA has two of these on side two with SS and HoS)
Instrumental - CoK, Orion, TLiTD
Thrasher - TUI, DI, DE



Thanks for ruining Metallica for me.

Just kidding, but damn, they are pretty formulaic aren't they?

Didn't care for the new song, but I didn't care for DM either.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 17, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
Start with a thrasher - FFWF, Battery, Blackened
Epic title track - RtL, MoP, AJFA
Mid tempo anthem - FWtBT, TTTSNB, EOTB
Ballad becomes thrasher - FtB, WHS, One

The side 2's of each album rearrange slightly, but the pieces are all there.

Mini-epic anthem - CD, DH, FEOS
Mid tempo bouncer - Escape, LM, (then AJFA has two of these on side two with SS and HoS)
Instrumental - CoK, Orion, TLiTD
Thrasher - TUI, DI, DE



Thanks for ruining Metallica for me.

Just kidding, but damn, they are pretty formulaic aren't they?

It's accurate, but I think that it understates these albums quite a bit and gives them less credit than they deserve.

Structurally, they might fall into formula, but actually listening to them gives different moods and atmospheres altogether.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on March 18, 2014, 09:41:57 AM
DM was the first time they stopped progressing as a band and basically became a nostalgia act. DM was throwing a bone to the stubborn thrash fans who won't accept anything that isn't mindlessly thrashing an E string at 200bpm. And DM proved that that is literally all those fans wanted, because that album wasn't even worthy of tying TBA's shoes.

Christ dude. We get it. You're incapable of accepting that some people didn't like tba/Loads for what they were, not just because they were shit albums in some folks' opinions so you insist on being a generalizing, condescending snob toward them even though many of us don't even have thrash in our top five favorite genres.

As for mixing it up? Any significant change is mixing it up. It still was way simplistic, bland, and mediocre to many of us. I can't change the fact that those three (two, really) albums came out but if some people liked them then I'm glad someone got something out of 'em.

Basically DM provides for many of us the much-needed relief from Load-SA that tba provided for you from the golden three though you probably like the golden three a lot more than the Load-SA dissentors liked that era yet instead of realizing that both sides of this argument have similar gripes, you act like there's some kind of objective basis for your viewpoint and that the others are some Exodus shirt-wearing neanderthals.

 :chill

Well, you're always using that "mindlessly thrashing" phrase and it just doesn't fit. It takes much more skill and "mind" to play the stuff on AJFA than the stuff on TBA. Talk about mindless - the same plodding bass/snare beat in every single song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 18, 2014, 09:49:06 AM
I could make the same generalization about the thrash albums all reusing that same fast metal drum beat (Blackened, Shortest Straw, Damage Inc, Disposable Heroes, Battery, Metal Militia, Whiplash, Motorbreath, Hit The Lights etc etc), so that's a hypocritical argument to start with. TBA has plenty of creative drum fills and patterns, more creative than double kicker and a big tom fill. Let's face it, Lars has never been the most creative drummer in the world, so he's not a great example.
Doesn't seem to be any more "mind" to it at all (whatever that even means). Faster =/= better. The songwriting on TBA is much more skillful, involving more well crafted melodies and harmonies.

And I also made my opinion without the angry personal attack like b_f did. There's that......
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2014, 09:51:36 AM
Yeah, anyone who knows me knows that I am a huge fan of mindless thrash. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

FYI, The Black Album is a little better than Death Magnetic*, but the latter is miles better than Load and ReLoad.  HTH.

*Thanks to the non-radio cuts like Don't Tread On Me, Of Wolf and Man, The God That Failed and My Friend of Misery.  The Unforgiven and Nothing Else Matters both still make me want to vomit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2014, 09:55:28 AM
I'd take the entire 90 - 00 Metallica over the 00 - 10 Metallica any day   

Metallica - Load - Reload - Garage inc - S&M

Vs

St. Anger - Some kind of monster - death magnetic - lulu - through the never.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 18, 2014, 09:58:49 AM
I'd take the entire 90 - 00 Metallica over the 00 - 10 Metallica any day   

Is that even a competition? :lol
But what would you take between '80s Metallica and '90s Metallica? I know most people would consider that a no contest, but that would be a tough call for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2014, 10:05:50 AM
Yeah, that's no contest.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2014, 12:33:18 PM
The Black Album is actually a really good album, but I would be fine with never hearing Enter Sandman, The Unforgiven and Nothing Else Matters ever again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 18, 2014, 12:41:59 PM
I think I am the only human being on earth who would actually prefer 00-10 over 90-00. Oh well.  :angel:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on March 18, 2014, 01:13:13 PM
Load could be Metallica's best album.

Get at me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
Load could be Metallica's best album.

Get at me.

I prefer it to and justice for all :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2014, 01:23:26 PM
I'd take the entire 90 - 00 Metallica over the 00 - 10 Metallica any day   

Is that even a competition? :lol
But what would you take between '80s Metallica and '90s Metallica? I know most people would consider that a no contest, but that would be a tough call for me.

Kill Vs Metallica ? I Take Metallica

Ride Vs Load ? I take Ride - but just barely

Master Vs Reload ? Master - no contest

Justice Vs Garage Inc ? Garage for sound quality but Justice for the songs.


However - i'd take Load and Reload over Kill and Justice too.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 18, 2014, 01:25:41 PM
Load could be Metallica's best album.

Get at me.

You're not alone.  For me, it's a close call between Load and Ride the Lightning.  I can't really pick a definitive favorite between the two at this point, but they are definitely my top two, with Master of Puppets taking third place. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 18, 2014, 01:31:43 PM
Master is easily their best. A masterpiece start to finish with AJFA close behind. Then I would say Ride is third, while TBA and Load are pretty great as well, so overall, nothing beats '80's Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 18, 2014, 01:33:45 PM
AJFA is probably sixth or seventh in my rankings, personally. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 18, 2014, 01:37:49 PM
The only song I can think of from Justice that underwhelms me is probably The Shortest Straw, which is still a pretty solid song. I probably have a slight bias for the album though, since it was my first full Metallica album, but I love it nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mister Gold on March 18, 2014, 01:40:15 PM
Aside from the production, I find AJFA to be Metallica's masterpiece. I love how dark and angry it is. Blackened is definitely my favorite Metallica song. :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 18, 2014, 02:34:48 PM
Aside from the production, I find AJFA to be Metallica's masterpiece. I love how dark and angry it is. Blackened is definitely my favorite Metallica song. :metal
exactly how I feel
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on March 18, 2014, 02:57:18 PM
If their new record doesn't have audiophile quality sonics I'm disappointed. They almost owe the world an antidote for Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 18, 2014, 05:13:00 PM
Master is easily their best. A masterpiece start to finish with AJFA close behind.

I'd agree on MOP but (One aside) nothing on AJFA comes close for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on March 18, 2014, 08:16:32 PM
I'd probably take Justice over Puppets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2014, 08:32:55 PM
I'd take RTL over Puppets.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on March 18, 2014, 08:42:07 PM
I'd take RTL over Puppets.

I think I might actually agree with that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on March 18, 2014, 08:43:43 PM
I'd take RTL over Puppets.
Yep. Not even close.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 18, 2014, 08:47:55 PM
As great as Ride is, it's got Escape, which is almost completely forgettable IMO. The album is definitely much more raw than Puppets, but I take Puppets quite easily for its variety. It feels like it has many more layers to it and the track listing is consistently amazing throughout. To me, it's really no contest.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on March 18, 2014, 08:49:39 PM
As great as Ride is, it's got Escape, which is almost completely forgettable IMO. The album is definitely much more raw than Puppets, but I take Puppets quite easily for its variety. It feels like it has many more layers to it and the track listing is consistently amazing throughout. To me, it's really no contest.

I was never that big on Leper Messiah and The Thing.  That lets Puppets down a little.  Escape IMO is pretty good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 18, 2014, 08:52:48 PM
As great as Ride is, it's got Escape, which is almost completely forgettable IMO. The album is definitely much more raw than Puppets, but I take Puppets quite easily for its variety. It feels like it has many more layers to it and the track listing is consistently amazing throughout. To me, it's really no contest.

I was never that big on Leper Messiah and The Thing.  That lets Puppets down a little.  Escape IMO is pretty good.

I love those two. :'( Definitely underrated Metallica songs, personally, and their just absolutely killer.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on March 18, 2014, 09:12:52 PM
I'd take RTL over Puppets.
Definitely.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 18, 2014, 09:13:10 PM
Aside from the production, I find AJFA to be Metallica's masterpiece. I love how dark and angry it is. Blackened is definitely my favorite Metallica song. :metal

I rank AJFA higher than MoP too, it's just that the awful production makes it unlistenable these days, unfortunately. I'm hoping that some day Metallica released a remixed version of the album that isn't ballsed up in other ways.
I've never liked RTL much as an album despite having some great songs, so I'd rank KEA higher overall.
My ranking for the thrash era albums would be - AJFA, MOP, KEA, RTL
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mister Gold on March 18, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
I'd take RTL over Puppets.

I think I might actually agree with that.

Likewise. It's right behind AJFA for me. :metal I'll need to listen to Kill 'Em All again to see what I think of that album nowadays though. :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 18, 2014, 09:23:50 PM
Escape is awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2014, 09:24:28 PM
As great as Ride is, it's got Escape, which is almost completely forgettable IMO. The album is definitely much more raw than Puppets, but I take Puppets quite easily for its variety. It feels like it has many more layers to it and the track listing is consistently amazing throughout. To me, it's really no contest.

Escape is great AND memorable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 18, 2014, 09:25:39 PM
:hug:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 18, 2014, 09:38:02 PM
Escape isn't terrible or anything, but it sorta feels like the dent in RTL to me. It's listenable, but much better songs overshadowing it.

I would suppose I'm in the minority with this, but oh well. :lol I don't mean to understate how much I love RTL, it's an amazing album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 18, 2014, 09:38:51 PM
Actually, from what I've seen, most people seem to feel that way about Escape. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Big Hath on March 18, 2014, 09:41:42 PM
Escape is awesome.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 18, 2014, 09:48:47 PM
Even as a filler track, Escape is not that good. It's not terrible, but as ThatOneGuy said, it's forgettable. It's better than Fight Fire With Fire and Trapped Under Ice, but that's not saying much.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 18, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
It's better than Fight Fire With Fire and Trapped Under Ice, but that's not saying much.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh, u wot m8?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 18, 2014, 10:07:49 PM
Escape would fit perfectly on The Black Album. It would need some simpler drumming though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2014, 09:34:40 AM
I am not even that big a metal fan (and usually do not like thrash), but Master of Puppets is pretty much one awesome song after another. 

I remember when I got into it, being shocked at how melodic some of the songs were, considering how heavy and fast they were.  I think that is why it is so popular: it has a raw energy and power that is infectious, and also has memorable melodies, so you get the best of both worlds.

Nothing else they've done comes close to it, IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 10:23:31 AM
I think Metallica had awesome melody as well as production.

I think And Justice For All is largely melody free and is just a dirge at some points.

I don't think anything they've done since Metallica has combined the same concise songwriting with the same melody.

Load is smothered in Melody but the songs for the most part are quite bloated.

The best 6 songs from both Load & Reload would have made a good successor to Metallica.

St Anger was acceptable as a one-off as it was made by a very different band who needed to make that album to survive.

Death Magnetic was deliberately trying to write a Master Of Puppets part 2.

For their next album - they really just need to focus on good songs. Not try and force 10 x 8 minute thrash classics.

The Lords Of Summer shows promise. It's long but doesn't feel as forced or as cut&paste as most of DM.

If they can just jam - write - and keep the best *songs* - whatever form they take AND have good production - the next album could be great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 10:28:28 AM
Ooh - by the way :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOtev3rEKI

The Lords Of Summer - Official Studio Version.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: KevShmev on March 19, 2014, 10:31:04 AM
Some of those early riffs sound right out of The Judas Kiss.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 10:42:31 AM
I like this song a lot.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on March 19, 2014, 10:50:21 AM
I like this song a lot.
Bit late - but congrats on your 9001st post! :metal

Regarding Lords of Summer: good song. Lars' double bassing isn't quite tight on the Studio Demo though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
Lars is decent - but James voice is fantastic on that !
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 19, 2014, 11:07:40 AM
Ooh - by the way :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOtev3rEKI

The Lords Of Summer - Official Studio Version.

Nice, I'd take an album's worth of that!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 19, 2014, 11:08:54 AM
Wow, I'm impressed. Solid song.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 19, 2014, 11:09:44 AM
I'm digging Lars' double bass action here. Hopefully there's also improvement in the studio album version.

And damn, James' voice. :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 19, 2014, 11:16:40 AM
Ooh - by the way :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOtev3rEKI

The Lords Of Summer - Official Studio Version.
Well, Demo version, but man this sounds great!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 19, 2014, 11:17:43 AM
James does sound awesome on that. Hearing the song clearer, it's not that good, but not bad. There's potential there though. After all, it's just a demo.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 19, 2014, 11:21:10 AM
I think I like it more after hearing the Studio Demo version... Cool song, nothing revolutionary for them, but I dig it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 19, 2014, 11:39:07 AM
Pretty good song. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on March 19, 2014, 11:40:30 AM
Video not available in Germany :censored #3#&6!0
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 12:04:09 PM
Video not available in Germany :censored #3#&6!0


try changing "www." to the word "boo"

as in "booyoutube.com/blah blah blah
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on March 19, 2014, 12:12:13 PM
The fact that they released the demo confirms that this song is not gonna touch the new album with a 10 foot pole, just like the last time they played a new song such a long time before they finish writing the album.
Cool song though, I like it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on March 19, 2014, 01:13:57 PM
Video not available in Germany :censored #3#&6!0

Try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLSdUjeyi_4

They should keep the guitar melody that was supposed to appear at 6:27 (the one from the live version).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 19, 2014, 01:42:32 PM
The band have hinted they may play a second new song this tour.

Hope so. Along with the Ronnie James Dio medley - that'll be three new 'tallica songs in as many weeks.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on March 19, 2014, 04:44:30 PM
Video not available in Germany :censored #3#&6!0

Try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLSdUjeyi_4

Thanks man. Didn't really like the song though :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on March 19, 2014, 05:36:37 PM
After a few listens, The Lords of Summer seems pretty promising. Nothing groundbreaking for them, but pretty solid.
A few tweaks, and they could really have something. James sounds fantastic. I think the bass could have stood to be a bit higher in the mix though.

If this is a sign of things to come, and they actually get around to making a new album, it could very well end up better than Death Magnetic, and I liked Death Magnetic.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ozzy554 on March 19, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 19, 2014, 10:21:29 PM
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.

I don't know what artists see in Rick Rubin. Out of the albums he's worked on that I've heard, I don't think any of them were great. Actually, the two recent ones that come to mind both just sound like stripped back clones of their former selves.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 19, 2014, 11:36:26 PM
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.

I don't know what artists see in Rick Rubin. Out of the albums he's worked on that I've heard, I don't think any of them were great. Actually, the two recent ones that come to mind both just sound like stripped back clones of their former selves.

Licenced to Ill from the Beasties is a classic.   And the first two albums he did with Slayer were un-freakin-believable.    Bloodsugarsexmagik was pretty good.   But after that, I haven't heard a single thing I thought was good.    I had such high hopes for his collaboration with AC/DC, and I was really underwhelmed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 19, 2014, 11:41:32 PM
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.

I don't know what artists see in Rick Rubin. Out of the albums he's worked on that I've heard, I don't think any of them were great. Actually, the two recent ones that come to mind both just sound like stripped back clones of their former selves.
Red Hot Chili Peppers, I mean even if you don't like their music, their albums sound great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 19, 2014, 11:41:44 PM
Oh yeah...and the stuff he did for both Johnny Cash and Neil Diamond were both pretty good.    At least he got them to just stop being corporate musicians and just write music the way they used to.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 19, 2014, 11:46:53 PM
Sounds very promising, If this is a sign of whats to come it should be great. Just keep Rick Rubin the hell away from it.

I don't know what artists see in Rick Rubin. Out of the albums he's worked on that I've heard, I don't think any of them were great. Actually, the two recent ones that come to mind both just sound like stripped back clones of their former selves.

Licenced to Ill from the Beasties is a classic.   And the first two albums he did with Slayer were un-freakin-believable.    Bloodsugarsexmagik was pretty good.   But after that, I haven't heard a single thing I thought was good.    I had such high hopes for his collaboration with AC/DC, and I was really underwhelmed.

I'm not into Beastie Boys or Slayer, so I can't comment on those. Blood Sugar Sex Magik was really good, but that's also over 20 years ago now. I was more focused on his more recent output.
Out of his recent ones, I just don't much like his approach. Going back to Bob Rock probably wouldn't be a good move for them given their later work with him. I'd like to see them with Kevin Shirley, but to be fair, I'd like to see every band with Kevin Shirley. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 20, 2014, 02:18:45 AM
Funnily enough as soon as you started talking about Rubin - Kevin Shirley came to mind as someone who seems to generate a similar response ("hands off my band") from a whole heap of people I know ,more so in recent years.  I don't follow who produces what close enough to comment .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2014, 03:09:55 AM
I don't generally follow that kind of thing aside from certain bands and certain producers, especially when an album is either exceptionally good or exceptionally bad.
It also depends on the band. Certain producers will work with certain bands better than with others, but in terms of the sound of the instruments and mixing, I pretty consistently love Kevin Shirley's work. Rick Rubin's recent output (as far as my musical interests go) hasn't wowed me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2014, 06:26:08 AM
Rick's System Of A Down albums sounded good but I don't think he's done anything good since then.

Most of the time - he gets artists to write decent songs again - but then he fucks up the audio.

Luckily Metallica are well aware of the furore surrounding Death Magnetic's audio and they won't let it happen again.

Rubin's albums are too dry too.

I'd like Brendan O Brian or Kevin Shirley or Steven Wilson ( a Metallica album like Watershed ?! ).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2014, 06:45:42 AM
Luckily Metallica are well aware of the furore surrounding Death Magnetic's audio and they won't let it happen again.

Did they say that? Hopefully they go all the way on that and release a really dynamic album.
I agree that DM was too dry, and raw. It was a very well recorded album though, shame about the brickwalling.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2014, 06:58:36 AM
Well they have commented on it in an apologetic way.

They said they weren't there for the mastering and they wouldn't do that again.

The next album will probably sound better just by comparison.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2014, 07:01:12 AM
It will sound better if for no other reason than the fact it could not possibly sound any worse without literally being white noise. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2014, 07:05:54 AM
Plus the fact that up until then - Metallica studio albums had god mastering.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2014, 07:17:24 AM
I think the infrequency of their albums this millennium would be a big part of that. Everything before that was before the loudness war was as bad as it is now, so albums before that generally had better mastering anyway.

That said, Load/Reload/Garage Inc/St Anger all have a dynamic range of around 6, which is borderline. They're about as good sounding as DR6's can be though, and I have no problem with the mastering on those albums. I'd be content if the new album sounded as good as any of them. DM was absolutely unlistenably bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on March 20, 2014, 09:20:27 AM
It was definitely fortunate that Death Magnetic happened to end up as a full album feature in Guitar Hero around that time, and that due to the mixing/mastering process for that game, there exists a version of the album that isn't completely brick walled.

The original release has an overall DR rating of about 3. The Guitar Hero version is about 12/13, with a low point of 11. It's night and day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 20, 2014, 09:28:55 AM
It was definitely fortunate that Death Magnetic happened to end up as a full album feature in Guitar Hero around that time, and that due to the mixing/mastering process for that game, there exists a version of the album that isn't completely brick walled.

The original release has an overall DR rating of about 3. The Guitar Hero version is about 12/13, with a low point of 11. It's night and day.

That's the only version I've listened to since it came out. Thanks god for those games giving us unmastered versions of these songs, plus stems.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Tom Bombadil on March 20, 2014, 09:29:41 AM
It was definitely fortunate that Death Magnetic happened to end up as a full album feature in Guitar Hero around that time, and that due to the mixing/mastering process for that game, there exists a version of the album that isn't completely brick walled.

The original release has an overall DR rating of about 3. The Guitar Hero version is about 12/13, with a low point of 11. It's night and day.
Eh, while I admit the Guitar Hero version is slightly better, it still isn't that great.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on March 20, 2014, 10:35:30 AM
Finally got around to listening to the new song. Has potential. Kind of hope they edit it down to about six and a half minutes, it's a couple of minutes too long as it stands now. James sounds phenomenal though. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2014, 10:58:30 AM
I wanna know how James sounds so good.

His voice has been pretty good since 2012 but this is something else.

Plus Lars doesn't appear to be rushing on this song. Unless they're recording to a click - which I doubt since it's only a demo...

It sounds like they're all trying to up their game. 

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: wolfking on March 20, 2014, 03:46:30 PM
Just listened to the new song........hmmm.......not really digging it at all to be honest.

I will say some of the riffs and the middle instrumental section has a lot of King Diamond influence.  That part was pretty cool.  But Kirk's solo sucks as usual.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2014, 01:13:19 AM
I wanna know how James sounds so good.

His voice has been pretty good since 2012 but this is something else.

Plus Lars doesn't appear to be rushing on this song. Unless they're recording to a click - which I doubt since it's only a demo...

It sounds like they're all trying to up their game. 



Even for a demo I think it's very possible they're using a click, although he also kept a lid on the tempo live too, so maybe not. He's definitely sounding more solid, I have to give him that much. I'm hearing an improvement from every member.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2014, 04:47:08 AM
James has said that he's been " working on his voice " and Lars says he practices more nowadays to music on his headphones in his downtime...

It reminds me of when they'd put out St Anger and all that time playing in the studio - they were as tight as f***

which makes me wonder if they've been in the studio a lot more than they are letting on.


Still - it's nice to hear them actually put some effort in.  For a long time it seemed like they couldn't care less about keeping their chops up.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 21, 2014, 10:48:01 AM
MetOnTour's live video of the premier of Lords of Summer in Bogotá:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8u6Ww1ZGeU

Pretty cool, multi camera, HD video of the song's live debut!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on March 22, 2014, 05:24:45 PM
I just watched the MetOnTour video of them playing Blackened in Colombia (http://youtu.be/QirkaL_kLqs?t=13m44s) - it sounded quite good actually! It really does look like Lars has been practicing lately. Too bad they still skip the last bit of the solo though :/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2014, 06:08:28 PM
James has definitely put more effort into his live voice than Mustaine ever has / will.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 22, 2014, 09:41:43 PM
I just watched the MetOnTour video of them playing Blackened in Colombia (http://youtu.be/QirkaL_kLqs?t=13m44s) - it sounded quite good actually! It really does look like Lars has been practicing lately. Too bad they still skip the last bit of the solo though :/

Seriously. What the FUCK is with that? Completely stupid decision.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 23, 2014, 12:59:51 AM
Lars is still sounding as sloppy as usual on those fills. I think his overall sense of tempo has improved, but not his sense of timing. I think he really needs to play to a click track, but they're not really that kind of band.
Also, he doesn't have the hairline for longer hair. He's transitioning into the Hulk Hogan hairstyle.

But on the positive side, Hetfield is always the strong link. As long as he's kicking ass, all is well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on March 23, 2014, 04:43:31 AM
Yeah his fills still suck. He should practice with a click track. And he just needs to go full bald :P
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2014, 06:15:05 AM
He actually did go full bald a couple of tours ago. it looked way better than this - obviously.

With all that money - he could have afforded plugs or something....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 23, 2014, 06:21:14 AM
(http://www.metallica.com/images/20120606_pics/06june0612_pic39.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 23, 2014, 06:24:41 AM
His head looks absolutely huge proportional to his tiny body. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on March 23, 2014, 07:11:26 AM

With all that money - he could have afforded plugs or something....

Plugs ain't metal.

(http://superjanitor.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/devintownsend.jpg?w=700)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 23, 2014, 09:33:47 AM
Lars needs to realize that babyfaced dudes can't really pull off the metal face.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 23, 2014, 12:12:20 PM
Also, he doesn't have the hairline for longer hair. He's transitioning into the Hulk Hogan hairstyle.

Funny thing about that.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/hulk_hogan_was_asked_to_join_metallica.html

Sadly, Lars denied this happening.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/lars_ulrich_denies_hulk_hogan_almost_joined_metallica.html

(http://www.metallica.com/images/20120606_pics/06june0612_pic39.jpg)

Man, every time I see pictures and videos of him with that look, I just think he looked like a troll or something.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 07:11:20 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-talk-effortless-dio-tribute-hear-it-here-first-20140324

Their 9 minute Ronnie James Dio Medley.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 24, 2014, 07:24:53 AM
Not bad, but I don't think they suit playing that kind of metal music. Ulrich's timing wasn't quite there on many of those beats, and his drum sound doesn't have the right energy and groove.
Hetfield was sounding as good as ever, but Hetfield has never been Dio. But he knew his limits and modified accordingly. I think he did it a bit more successfully on the Mercyful Fate medley though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 07:39:19 AM
I'm loving the production though. A huge Step up from Death Magnetic.

I'd be happy with a new studio album from Metallica that sounded as good as this.



But yeah - James sounds phenomenal.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 24, 2014, 07:55:31 AM
The production was good, it reminded me of Garage Inc.
I actually think the recording of Death Magnetic sounds a little better (when judged by the Guitar Hero version), and that album would have sounded great if they hadn't brickwalled the hell out of it. It had a good drum sound, even though a bit dry for my taste.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 08:00:51 AM
I think even the GH3 version is thin and tinny.

Should have been great though.

10 songs like this medley ( with all original material of course ) will be just fine by me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 24, 2014, 08:09:19 AM
I think the GH3 version sounds thin mostly because it's a raw mix without being mastered (you know, properly, instead of just being compressed to within an inch of its life). But I really liked that drum sound.

At the very least, it's clear they're going to be in top form going into this record, so that's a good start.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 24, 2014, 08:10:13 AM
I'm loving the production though. A huge Step up from Death Magnetic.

I'd be happy with a new studio album from Metallica that sounded as good as this.



But yeah - James sounds phenomenal.

Yeah, this was my big takeaway from listening to that... If Metallica released a new full length album that sounded like that, I'd be pretty darn happy.  It was full, thick, heavy and there was actually some nice vocal production here and there.

I could hear the bass, which is never a given on Metallica recordings! The guitars sounded fuller, thicker and seemed to have greater impact than they did on DM.  The drum sound still wasn't great on this, but it was certainly better than it was on DM when half of the drum hits would clip! James' vocals on this recording sounded much, much better than they did on DM, which I think is a combination of two things: (1) James is singing great right now, his live voice has been fantastic lately, and (2) they actually included some reverb, some echos, some nice harmonies and layering in the vocal tracks rather than just a dry melody line.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 08:17:29 AM
Plus James has said that he's been getting extra help.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 24, 2014, 08:36:43 AM
Plus James has said that he's been getting extra help.

Absolutely, and his raw, natural vocal has definitely improved due to that help.  Its just encouraging to hear some vocal production again to help him out even more.  His vocal tracks on DM were just so dry that I felt kinda bad for him, even if they had just put a little more reverb on his voice, it would have helped him out a lot, IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on March 24, 2014, 02:31:08 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 03:21:58 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.


Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: adace on March 24, 2014, 03:34:50 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.


Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
:tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on March 24, 2014, 04:56:55 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.


Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
:lol

On a related note, I've heard some fan-made remasters that have bass. They just sound weird. Then again, I think the people that made them may have overcompensated.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 24, 2014, 05:04:00 PM
Yeah they've gone from no bass to too much bass.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 24, 2014, 10:56:33 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.


Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
:lol

On a related note, I've heard some fan-made remasters that have bass. They just sound weird. Then again, I think the people that made them may have overcompensated.

I think it's a combination of them overcompensating (because they're more concerned with "JUSTICE FOR JASON" and showing off that there is a bass line, than actually having a balanced listenable mix), and also the fact we've just never heard the bass properly before.
In a lot of parts, the bass line is not quite what I would have expected, and doesn't just follow the guitar, so it's jarring to finally hear this new melodic element on top of songs we've known for decades.

Now that Metallica own the rights to their music, I hope they listen to the fans and have that album remixed and re-released (without a loud remaster ruining it). That would effectively be like a new Metallica album to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mister Gold on March 25, 2014, 08:45:44 PM
That Dio medley is fantastic. The whole band sounds surprisingly great and I think they really did justice to those songs.


Except that you can hear the bass :neverusethis:
:lol

On a related note, I've heard some fan-made remasters that have bass. They just sound weird. Then again, I think the people that made them may have overcompensated.

I think it's a combination of them overcompensating (because they're more concerned with "JUSTICE FOR JASON" and showing off that there is a bass line, than actually having a balanced listenable mix), and also the fact we've just never heard the bass properly before.
In a lot of parts, the bass line is not quite what I would have expected, and doesn't just follow the guitar, so it's jarring to finally hear this new melodic element on top of songs we've known for decades.

Now that Metallica own the rights to their music, I hope they listen to the fans and have that album remixed and re-released (without a loud remaster ruining it). That would effectively be like a new Metallica album to me.

This is all so true. For example, Jason does this really awesome bass line during the chorus of the title track where he follows the vocal melody and it adds a creepy and effective touch to the song that wasn't there before. I showed it to my friend, who is a HUGE Metallica fan and AJFA is his favorite album. He told me it was like hearing the song for the very first time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: LCArenas on April 05, 2014, 10:05:29 PM
YEAH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ixXQGbOf68)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: El Barto on April 06, 2014, 12:24:01 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-talk-effortless-dio-tribute-hear-it-here-first-20140324

Their 9 minute Ronnie James Dio Medley.
Metallica's always been an excellent cover band. Always enjoy that. As for this, Light in the Black is the song best suited for them and it's the one they were least faithful to. You listen to the old live versions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXzUk7DESMU&feature=player_detailpage#t=412) of it and it's just blistering. Exactly what Metallica should do perfectly, but they played off-time versions of it both times without the original intensity. Didn't much care for Tarot Woman. Stargazer sounded great. I particularly liked the guitar harmonies after each line in the first verse; adds a classic Metallica touch. Kill the King was very good as well, but much like we saw with Light in the Black, Lars is no Cozy Powell. Think that was the biggest issue here. Still, enjoyable to listen to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on April 06, 2014, 01:20:23 AM
I wonder if they'll ever cover Mechanix.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 06, 2014, 06:52:52 AM
Mechanix is so shit :lol

Thank feck they changed those god awful Mustaine lyrics & removed the Sweet Home Alabama section.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 06, 2014, 09:17:00 AM
Mechanix is a dumb song, but I love Mustaine's playing on it. Fucking fast, sloppy and full of energy. Like he's a kid jerking off.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 06, 2014, 10:22:48 AM
Mechanix is a dumb song, but I love Mustaine's playing on it. Fucking fast, sloppy and full of energy. Like he's a kid jerking off.  :lol

The lyrics certainly support this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 06, 2014, 10:23:42 AM
Exactly. :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 06, 2014, 10:37:02 AM
It's like something Steel Panther would write - only they're taking the piss.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on April 06, 2014, 12:40:45 PM
Taking the Piss sounds like a pefect title for a Megadeth album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 06, 2014, 08:42:58 PM
It's like something Steel Panther would write - only they're taking the piss.

That's an insult to Steel Panther!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 06, 2014, 09:26:25 PM
Indeed. Mechanix doesn't sound totally serious but at least with Steel Panther - you *know* they're being tongue in cheek.

Plus Mustaine was probably 18 when he wrote those lyrics ?

So horses for courses etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on April 09, 2014, 05:15:39 AM
So check out my stupidity. I was going to ask if anyone thought the abrupt end to Dyer's Eve symbolizes suicide, but then I'm like, wait, the song's called DYER'S Eve... :facepalm: I never thought about it before, and I've been a fan since the early nineties.

... back to work.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on April 24, 2014, 12:55:01 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-are-in-the-fourth-inning-of-their-next-album-20140424

On a different note, I read a comment somewhere stating that Kirk's soloing has become better in the last South American tour. Curious, I checked out the last two videos from the tour which featured One and ...And Justice For All. I thought Kirk's soloing was really pretty good! Here are the links:

https://www.metallica.com/tour/mar-29-2014-buenos-aires.asp

https://www.metallica.com/tour/mar-30-2014-buenos-aires.asp
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 24, 2014, 01:06:21 PM
Any cricket fans in know how far along four innings is ? :lol

At least Metallica have played a new song on this tour...

Tool haven't played anything new since 2006 have they ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on April 24, 2014, 01:11:38 PM
It's that constant dilemma of

A) "It's been a while since Metallica released an album, give us new music!"
B) "Yeah so the new album is awful, play the classics!"

basically the story of their career for the last 20 years or so
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on April 28, 2014, 03:05:04 AM
I fucking hate these Metallica fans who bitch all the time and shit on music that hasn't even been written yet. Death Magnetic was a fantastic album, and likely the new album will be a lot like it in style, not a bad thing! It's a great thrash album. I just heard that new Slayer song that was put out, and it was a pile of shit! But when i went and read the comment section, it was full of people shitting on Metallica and cumming over the Slayer song. It makes me sad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on April 28, 2014, 05:49:48 PM
I fucking hate these Metallica fans who bitch all the time and shit on music that hasn't even been written yet. Death Magnetic was a fantastic album, and likely the new album will be a lot like it in style, not a bad thing! It's a great thrash album. I just heard that new Slayer song that was put out, and it was a pile of shit! But when i went and read the comment section, it was full of people shitting on Metallica and cumming over the Slayer song. It makes me sad.

I think it has a lot to do with trash fans' utter lack of faith in Metallica these days. A lot of people will desire change, yet they don't. There's no pleasing everybody in the end. After four albums, I'm sure the guys didn't see themselves wanting to do the same thing over and over again, hence the change they went through. What one can admire, at the very least, is the amount of testicular fortitude it probably took on their part to go forward with their plans despite the backlash they knew they would receive.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on April 29, 2014, 01:00:19 PM
Any cricket fans in know how far along four innings is ? :lol
I thought he was making more of a baseball analogy, which would mean they're not even halfway done with it. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on April 30, 2014, 01:13:42 AM
Damn, I just saw the headline and naturally assumed it was a cricketing analogy. Shame.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on April 30, 2014, 02:41:16 AM
Dammit. In cricket, the fourth innings is the final innings. Being an American band, presumably it's a baseball analogy which means it's less far-advanced. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 30, 2014, 03:30:38 AM
Well we know they're not halfway done since writing is 50% and recording is 50% and they're writing right now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 30, 2014, 03:45:16 AM
Given how basic the recording was on DM, I don't think recording counts for that much of a percentage. But this is proof that sports references should just be avoided. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on April 30, 2014, 11:50:59 AM
Because Death Magnetic was no home run :neverusethis:


The sound of that album was so bad - they even recorded drums at the legendary Sound City and they still sounded like shit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on April 30, 2014, 10:11:49 PM
The drum recording was actually very good, but the drum mix was very dry, and of course the rest of the mix/master was totally botched to the point of ruining it. So unless they remix and remaster it, I guess that's kind of moot for now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 01, 2014, 02:54:23 AM
The guitars have no power to them at all either.

They really need to put out a great album next time.

There's something really very wrong if the biggest rock band on the planet put out three awful sounding albums in a row.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on May 01, 2014, 03:09:39 AM
Rick Rubin is producing this one aswell right? So I already have low expectations for the sound of this album. :lol That and Metallica don't seem to give a shit about it, either.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 01, 2014, 03:15:30 AM
They haven't decided on producer yet.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Bolsters on May 01, 2014, 03:22:51 AM
They haven't decided on producer yet.
Oh? I'll have to try not to get my hopes up after hearing that. :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 01, 2014, 04:44:34 AM
Can they please pick someone, anyone, who won't make it sound awful? I doubt we'll have the lucky coincidence of a Guitar Hero version this time around. Maybe Kevin Shirley?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 01, 2014, 10:36:31 AM
Perhaps Helen Keller.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 01, 2014, 11:21:28 AM
Even Evelyn Glennie could play in time better than Lars.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 01, 2014, 01:17:46 PM
Even Evelyn Glennie could play in time better than Lars.
What do you mean by even?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 01, 2014, 01:58:37 PM
Even Evelyn Glennie Anyone could play in time better than Lars.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 01, 2014, 03:48:09 PM
Ahhh i'm with you on that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on May 02, 2014, 06:40:15 AM
Why not self produce?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 02, 2014, 02:12:39 PM
We're living in an age where people can make better sounding rock albums on their home studios than the biggest rock band on the planet can IN A STUDIO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 02, 2014, 09:09:59 PM
I wouldn't call DT the biggest rock band in the world.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 02, 2014, 09:23:43 PM
I wouldn't call DT the biggest rock band in the world.

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ? on May 02, 2014, 11:09:10 PM
I wouldn't call DT the biggest rock band in the world.
:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 03, 2014, 02:08:22 AM
I wouldn't call DT the biggest rock band in the world.
:clap:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 03, 2014, 05:28:38 AM
This is the Metallica thread.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 03, 2014, 08:32:39 AM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6738850048/h35FD6A3D/)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 03, 2014, 07:46:19 PM
This is the Metallica thread.

It's funny because this is the Metallica thread.  :)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 05, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
" Metallica haven't been good since Justice...

The Shit album, Shitload, Re-Shit St Shit, Shit Magnetic LOL111!!! "


Maybe you should not listen to Metallica any more ? ;)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on May 06, 2014, 02:40:22 AM
I don't get the hate Death Magnetic gets. It's fuckin awesome. This is what people have wanted for so long, a return to classic thrash by the band.

So my question is, what do you all want to hear on the next Metallica record? What particular traits would make their next album pleasing to you? Only serious answers please.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 06, 2014, 02:52:23 AM
I don't get the hate Death Magnetic gets. It's fuckin awesome. This is what people have wanted for so long, a return to classic thrash by the band.

So my question is, what do you all want to hear on the next Metallica record? What particular traits would make their next album pleasing to you? Only serious answers please.

Stronger songwriting, not trying to play beyond their current abilities, and not weak rehash of what they've already done. I'm not won over by thrashing an E string at 200bpm.
And listenable production would be a nice bonus. The sound on the released CD is a travesty.

DM was a decent album, but it's nowhere near the quality of their earlier albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 06, 2014, 05:12:06 AM
I don't get the hate Death Magnetic gets. It's fuckin awesome. This is what people have wanted for so long, a return to classic thrash by the band.

So my question is, what do you all want to hear on the next Metallica record? What particular traits would make their next album pleasing to you? Only serious answers please.

I want 12 great songs. Style is irrelevant.  They should just write and pick the best songs. Not try and make everything as fast as possible or as long as possible. The songs should come first. Even if they write another Reload. If it's 12 great songs then so be it...

Also - pristine audio production. Their first studio album of original material with great production since 1997. . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 06, 2014, 05:30:31 AM
I agree with what you guys are saying about the new album. I'd really like some good mixing and production, plus songwriting that doesn't focus on emulating their old style. I'd really like to hear what they come up with if they only place the restriction 'Metallica' on their songwriting. I still believe they can write and perform great songs. The latter, for me at least, is proven by the fact that most of their covers are ridiculously good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 06, 2014, 06:01:34 AM
I agree with what you guys are saying about the new album. I'd really like some good mixing and production, plus songwriting that doesn't focus on emulating their old style. I'd really like to hear what they come up with if they only place the restriction 'Metallica' on their songwriting. I still believe they can write and perform great songs. The latter, for me at least, is proven by the fact that most of their covers are ridiculously good.


There's no doubt they're in great form performance wise, the best they've been in a long time. Completely agreed on the rest too, and with Kotowboy.
I don't want them to write to emulate an old album, I want them to define what Metallica sounds like in 2014 (or whenever they release it), not what they sounded like in 1986.

Even though their recent albums aren't great, I at least like that they progressed, and wrote to the style that they were feeling at that particular time. That's an element I want to hear again. I want to hear Metallica cover a bit of new ground, instead of pander to what anybody else wants them to do, and end up sounding forced.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 06, 2014, 06:11:56 AM
It's just crazy that they put out DM - which was a big hit - had a massive tour off the back of it and sold over 5 million copies -

- and then...


... Just..didn't capitalise on that new interest in the band.


They should have finished the tour in 2010 - taken a year off - taken 2 years to make a new album and put it out last September.

That would have been 5 years but that's standard these days and we wouldn't have gotten any extra curricular stuff that nobody cared about like the Lou

Reed album and the Concert movie.

And the album would be out now - instead of late 2015 which is looking the most likely scenario.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 06, 2014, 06:26:49 AM
The thing is, a lot of bands these days, especially older ones, basically only release albums as an excuse to tour, and to give people a new reason to see them live. Touring is where bands make most of their money these days, not albums. From their perspective, touring is capitalizing on the new album.
Look at TBA. Their biggest album ever, and they toured the crap out of that album before getting around to recording another album. Seems to have worked for them so far.

Not that I'm arguing that this is my preferred route, as I'm just as interested in a new album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 06, 2014, 06:39:23 AM
They toured DM for 2 years but then they didn't really tour to promote that album after that.

Most of their summer jaunts are Metallica plays the hits.

This tour there's an added incentive whereby you pick the setlist - but everyone is just picking the staples anyway. :lol

It's looking increasingly likely that they will play Frayed Ends in Helsinki this month.

Someone on the Metallica forum got it right : " You all want them to play Frayed Ends - but you're only going to rip them to shreds afterwards anyway ".


It could either be awesome - like when they debuted Struggle or really bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 06, 2014, 06:42:39 AM
AJFA is one of my favourite Metallica albums, but I don't see the appeal of hearing that song aside from rarity. I'm sure they'll do a decent enough job of it, but that's not even one of the better songs on the album. :dunno:
I will be interested to see the clips of it if they do though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 06, 2014, 06:50:01 AM
Someone suggested that they should play it this once and then never play it again ( provided they do a good job ).

Making that one time extra special.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 06, 2014, 08:19:56 PM
It's not like they've never played "Frayed" before .... it's just been awhile.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 06, 2014, 10:00:19 PM
Umm... (http://www.metallica.com/songs/the-frayed-ends-of-sanity.asp) They've never played it. They jammed parts of it on the AJFA tour and played part in the Justice Medley but they've never played the whole song start to finish.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 07, 2014, 05:15:53 AM
My bad.  I thought they played it in full on some of the '89 dates....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on May 07, 2014, 05:57:43 AM
I wouldn't want them to play it live. Lars would skip playing the best part of the song at 4 minutes.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 07, 2014, 11:02:07 AM
I wouldn't want them to play it live. Lars would skip playing the best part of the song at 4 minutes.
Agreed with the latter part, though I'd still like to hear what it sounds like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cyberdrummer on May 08, 2014, 12:16:11 PM
Confirmed as Glastonbury headliners. Get in.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 08, 2014, 01:16:06 PM
Also - " Through The Never " is on Netflix US. Just watched it.

Not bad. Nice visually.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 09, 2014, 10:31:14 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kirk-hammett-says-metallica-will-buckle-down-in-september-and-work-on-new-album/


:lol :lol :lol :lol.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on May 09, 2014, 10:48:40 AM
Can't wait for 2016.  :metal
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 09, 2014, 10:51:00 AM
 :lol

I can't wait for September to roll around so they can find another excuse to not be in the studio....
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 09, 2014, 11:16:45 AM
:lol

I can't wait for September to roll around so they can find another excuse to not be in the studio....

I actually laughed out loud when I read the article. So predictable.

If you don't want to make a new album. Don't make one and stop wasting everyone's time.

Things that will happen before Metallica or Tool release a new album :

• Chino will decide Avatar sucks.
• El Barto will post about Star Trek and it will all be positive.
• BlobVanDam will post about how much he loves Star Trek Into Darkness
• Avenged Sevenfold will release a groundbreaking and completely original metal album which sells more than Michael Jackson's Thriller.

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on May 09, 2014, 11:21:02 AM
Touring with the old hit songs from the 80s and making fat money VS another watered down and boring studio album that nobody except for the extreme hardcore fans (who will like anything) will like

hmmm....  :justjen
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 09, 2014, 12:18:32 PM
Touring with the old hit songs from the 80s and making fat money VS another watered down and boring studio album that nobody except for the extreme hardcore fans (who will like anything) will like

hmmm....  :justjen

Haha well yeah, when you lay it out like that it makes sense that they keep pushing the album back to tour, and for the record, I totally agree with you! But if that really is the case, they should probably stop stringing those hardcore fans along who are waiting for a new album by constantly saying "in a few months, we are going to buckle down in the studio".  My issue isn't with them not making a new album, that's totally their call, no one else's.  My issue is that they keep saying they are going to really concentrate on it and then don't, they need to just be honest and if it isn't a priority for them, they need to just say that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 09, 2014, 12:24:44 PM
I can't believe Metallica is so unproductive in this sense.  I mean Slash, who is only a few years younger than them, is going to release his 3rd album in four years and he has been a touring machine and he doesn't waste too much time recording.  Metallica cannot really play the age card or too much touring as excuses of not recording and getting an album done.  If they really don't want to make this album, I just think that they should just announce that they are not going to.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 09, 2014, 12:30:25 PM
It seems like Metallica keep playing the "family" card as if everyone will go " oh of course..of course."

But then - the members of DT are as old and in some cases - older than the guys in Metallica and they all have families too and still put out an album every other

year.

and INB4 anyone says - DT need to put out albums to survive financially - Metallica don't.

I agree - and as mikeyd23 pointed out - if they don't want to put out another album - they should just say that instead of the almost constant bullshit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 09, 2014, 09:55:14 PM
Things that will happen before Metallica or Tool release a new album :

• Chino will decide Avatar sucks.
• BlobVanDam will post about how much he loves Star Trek Into Darkness

Oh come on, don't lose all hope. I'm sure Metallica will release a new album some time!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 09, 2014, 10:18:05 PM
I hope the new album's called Threeload.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 09, 2014, 11:15:29 PM
I hope the new album's called St Angrier.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2014, 12:13:05 AM
They should just do another black album, but in this case, the cover is completely black.  That would confuse people, but also be another statement as a band to the change in musical direction.  For the original black album, they cut their hair, for the real black album, they could shave their heads.  This will give Lars the excuse to do what's right. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 10, 2014, 12:56:33 AM
Their haircuts were well after TBA's release. I think Jason was first (around '94) since the other three had long hair when they played Woodstock '94. James ended up with something close to a mohullet following an ATV accident which resulted in a lot of stitches in his head.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2014, 10:52:43 AM
If it is true that they're honestly scouts honour going to really seriously start writing in september promise !!!!

Then the resulting album will be worse than Death Magnetic because they're so obviously not into it.

I just feel a bit shit for Trujillo. In 2003 - he had the chance to join the biggest hard rock band on the planet and in that time he's

recorded 1 studio album which was plagued with problems and far from their best and recorded a collaboration album with Lou Reed which everyone hated -

- had to pay up for a music festival which nobody went to - had to cough up for a 3D concert movie which nobody wanted or went to...

And it's been six years and counting since he last put out an album of original material with the band.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on May 10, 2014, 10:57:49 AM
Yeah, I'm sure Trujillo has a lot of sleepless nights in his 50 million dollar mansion with swimming pool, basket court and 4 cars. I bet he really regrets moving out of his apartment above a bowling alley to join Metallica.  :\

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2014, 10:59:03 AM
That's right. He's loaded. That more than makes up for being creative once every 11 years. . .
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2014, 11:03:08 AM
I seriously doubt he was living in a shitty apartment before Metallica having been the bass player for Ozzy Osborne.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on May 10, 2014, 11:06:23 AM
I find it hard to feel sorry for someone who is in the band by his choice. If he felt an urge to write more, he would probably do so.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2014, 11:08:54 AM
We all know how Papa Het feels about side projects.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 10, 2014, 01:05:05 PM
Well maybe he doesnt have the creative mind to write music and is perfectly happy touring, playing the normal Metallica songs, and collecting fat paychecks?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ozzy554 on May 10, 2014, 05:43:19 PM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/)

According to lars the Identity of the person producing the new album isn't a surprise. If its Rick Rubin again than the album has been downgraded from a possible pre-order to a torrent. I thought the songs on Death Magnetic were pretty good (although a bit generic.) I would like it more if Rick had not ruined it with the loudness war bullshit. He did an alright job on the sabbath album but I dont want him anywhere near metallica ever again.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 10, 2014, 07:00:55 PM
Steven Wilson

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 10, 2014, 09:52:22 PM
Quincy Jones, you fucking n00bs.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 10, 2014, 09:55:53 PM
If it's Rick Rubin again, my expectations for this album will drop considerably. It would be the least surprising choice given the success of DM.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on May 11, 2014, 12:11:18 AM
Probably Bob Rock.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 11, 2014, 12:15:24 AM
I would much rather Bob Rock than Rick Rubin, but I'm not sure it's likely after St Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 11, 2014, 12:41:03 AM
I'd like to see Butch Vig or Brendan O'Brien give it a go.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on May 11, 2014, 12:44:42 AM
They aughta get Kurt Ballou on the job.
Ain't happening, not in a million years, but that guy knows how to produce a fucking album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on May 11, 2014, 03:16:52 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/)

According to lars the Identity of the person producing the new album isn't a surprise. If its Rick Rubin again than the album has been downgraded from a possible pre-order to a torrent. I thought the songs on Death Magnetic were pretty good (although a bit generic.) I would like it more if Rick had not ruined it with the loudness war bullshit. He did an alright job on the sabbath album but I dont want him anywhere near metallica ever again.
I thought the problem was with Ted Jensen's mastering rather than Rick Rubin's general producing.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 11, 2014, 03:20:49 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallicas-lars-ulrich-says-identity-of-next-albums-producer-is-certainly-not-gonna-surprise-anybody/)

According to lars the Identity of the person producing the new album isn't a surprise. If its Rick Rubin again than the album has been downgraded from a possible pre-order to a torrent. I thought the songs on Death Magnetic were pretty good (although a bit generic.) I would like it more if Rick had not ruined it with the loudness war bullshit. He did an alright job on the sabbath album but I dont want him anywhere near metallica ever again.
I thought the problem was with Ted Jensen's mastering rather than Rick Rubin's general producing.

Actually, Ted Jensen has said it was brick walled in the mixing stage before it even got to him, and he didn't want to be associated with it. So I guess blame whoever mixed it. I don't know how anyone could have ok'd that album at any stage and thought it was fit to sell.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 11, 2014, 06:18:50 AM
I would much rather Bob Rock than Rick Rubin, but I'm not sure it's likely after St Anger.

Bite your tongue -- Bob Rock enabled all of Metallica's worst ideas on their last few albums when he should've had the balls as producer to say things like, "Let's edit this repetitive song down a bit," and "No, Lars, those snares sound like shit" on St. Anger.  I seriously hope he never teams up with Metallica again.

I'd happily take another Rick Rubin effort over more Bob Rock.

I say bring back Fleming Rasmussen!!!! :2metal:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 11, 2014, 06:24:03 AM
I would much rather Bob Rock than Rick Rubin, but I'm not sure it's likely after St Anger.

Bite your tongue -- Bob Rock enabled all of Metallica's worst ideas on their last few albums when he should've had the balls as produce to say, "No, Lars, those snares sound like shit" on St. Anger.  I seriously hope he never teams up with Metallica again.

I'd happily take another Rick Rubin effort.

Rick Rubin is so overrated. I can't say I've been impressed with any album he's worked on this millennium. In fact, the two main examples that come to mind that I've heard in recent years are just stripped back blatant rehashes of the bands' older material. Uninspired and under-produced.
Bob Rock produced their biggest (and imo best) album, and other material I've really liked. Sure, St Anger was unquestionably bad, but at least Metallica were constantly progressing as a band under him. Rick Rubin seems to encourage stale pandering.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2014, 06:45:03 AM
Flemming is also over rated. He was just the engineer on "the big 3" .

And those 3 albums don't exactly sound stellar. He was bought in at the last minute when Lars and James botched And Justice For All.

People seem to think that bringing back Flemming will make them write like those albums again - which is obviously bollocks since

that was the "goal" of Death Magnetic and that album is extremely forced.

They need a producer who will tell them they can do better and can get the best performances out of everyone AND make it sound good.

Which is a very tall order in Metallica world.

I think the absolute BEST we can hope for is an album that sounds as good as the Ronnie Rising Medley.  I'm guessing it will sound pretty close to that.


PLUS : All Rick Ruin seems to do is to tell bands " write like when you was good " and then just drops in once in a while to say " yes " or " no " and take 100% of the credit.

AND : Saint Anger would not have sounded like that if METALLICA didn't want it to. Too many people seem to think that Bob Rock stormed in one day and said it's going to sound like

THIS and Lars & James had no option but to go along with it :lol

In the SKOM movie - Lars was saying even before St Anger began that he wanted an "ugly nasty fucked up album".  I suppose that was all Bob Rock's fault ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: rickhawk80 on May 11, 2014, 06:53:22 AM
AND : Saint Anger would not have sounded like that if METALLICA didn't want it to. Too many people seem to think that Bob Rock stormed in one day and said it's going to sound like

THIS and Lars & James had no option but to go along with it :lol

In the SKOM movie - Lars was saying even before St Anger began that he wanted an "ugly nasty fucked up album".  I suppose that was all Bob Rock's fault ?

I don't think Bob Rock "forced" them to sound like that on St. Anger but after the length of his relationship with them and his ability to influence their sound, song structure, etc., on prior albums I would've hoped he'd have the guts to man up and point out ways St. Anger could've sounded better.  I fall in the minority of people who actually like St. Anger, but I see so many things they could've done to tighten up that album -- so many of the average and repetitive 8-minute songs could've kicked ass if trimmed to 5 minutes, for example -- and I do hold Bob accountable for not showing more backbone when they needed direction.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 11, 2014, 07:30:44 AM
Bob Rock was helping Metallica make exactly the record Metallica wanted to make. Bob Rock is at partial fault for becoming too friendly with the band at that point, and they were right to give him the boot after that, but the album ultimately sucked because of Metallica's decisions. It wasn't actively Bob Rock's fault.

To paraphrase, the lesson here is-
"The only thing necessary for St Anger to be recorded is for good producers to do nothing"

I also fault Rick Rubin for not having the backbone to tell Metallica they were too old to be trying to write the same music they did 20 years ago. I also fault him for apparently not having a functional set of ears.

DM too needed serious trimming all around to be a better album. They could have had an album of kick-ass 5-6 minute metal songs, but instead they ended up with an album of bloated 8 minute songs because of their contrived attempt to emulate their classic albums, with poorly written and performed instrumental sections tacked in. Rick Rubin should have cut the middle section of every single track, and they could have had a great 50-60 minute album, instead of an average 74 minutes.
Tossing a copy of MoP in front of the band and saying "copy that" is a terrible approach to producing an album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 11, 2014, 09:18:46 AM
Hearing Lars STILL defending that mastering job is worrying. I'm sorry, Lars, I really liked the album but it sounds horrible, and you deserve better. Even if it doesn't sound bad to you, it sounds bad to a lot of people. And I guarantee you that the Guitar Hero version will not detract from your listening experience (if you can't hear the distortion on DM you can only slightly hear), while improving that of a lot of people. It's seriously not that hard to admit that you were wrong about the production and that there is objectively something wrong with it. I guarantee you that every one of your fans will either a) not care or b) become far more likely to buy your next album if you say that.

But yeah, if Lars says there are two names and that they're not surprising, the names are probably Bob Rock and Rick Rubin. Given that Bob Rock produced The Black Album, which is probably their best sounding album, and Rubin produced Death Magnetic which was totally botched from an audio standpoint, I'll definitely take Bob Rock. And the songwriting is already in progress, so from that standpoint it's going to be what it's going to be, for better or worse. Personally, like Blob said, I'm rather hoping for an album of mostly 5-6 minute songs, which I think they still may be able to pull off.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on May 11, 2014, 09:25:15 AM
Rick Rubin is the producer for the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and their albums sound great. Rick Rubin is not the producer for everybody, and he simply doesn't fit with Metallica. Doesn't make him a bad producer though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 425 on May 11, 2014, 09:32:16 AM
I think Death Magnetic is the only Rubin-produced album I have, so I'm not necessarily judging him as a producer, only saying that I'd rather not see him produce the next Metallica album.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on May 11, 2014, 09:41:09 AM
That's fair enough, and I agree, I'd rather see someone else produce the next Metallica album  :tup
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 11, 2014, 01:18:49 PM
Rubin is pretty notorious for compressing the fuck out of albums. Californiacation is a pretty notorious victim of the loudness war.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2014, 02:45:41 PM
Metallica can take as long as they want and keep doing vanity projects that lose money.

I can still listen to Sacred Mother Tongue, Mastodon and Trivium and Dream Theater and Lamb Of God .  :coolio
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 11, 2014, 03:13:09 PM
DOnt ForGET GreEN DAy
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2014, 03:21:17 PM
Why are you writing like a teenage girl on twitter ? :lol

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Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 12, 2014, 10:35:34 AM
Personally, I'd love to see Bob Rock come back as the producer for the next Metallica record.  My thought is this: Metallica is going to write the style of music that THEY want to, whether that be "classic thrash" Metallica or "Black Album" Metallica or "The Load - era" Metallica or something completely different.  At this point in their careers, they are going to write songs to create an album in the style they want to write in, not the style some producer wants.

Lots of people credit Bob Rock for changing Metallica's style on the Black Album, which isn't correct. Its clearly documented that Metallica had the songs for that album written and by the time Bob got involved he only was allowed to have input on small things related to the actual songs themselves, such as tempo.  Mainly he worked with the band to capture the best sonic representation of the group in the studio, in which I believe he succeeded in as the Black Album sounds fantastic. Point being, Metallica is going to create music in the style that they want to, not the style the producer wants them to.  For DM, they wanted to go back to the "classic thrash" Metallica style and Rick helped them (in his own way) travel down that direction, because its what the band wanted.

That being the case, I'd much rather have Bob Rock there.  If Metallica is going to determine the style of the album musically, not the producer, the main role I see the producer playing in ensuring sonic quality.  For that, I chose Bob Rock without question.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 12, 2014, 05:31:37 PM
What ?

How bad did Metallica suck live in 2004 ?

Well ASK NO MORE !!!!

http://www.livemetallica.com/live-music/0,23/Metallica-mp3-flac-download-4-28-2004-Freedom-Hall--Louisville-KY.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 13, 2014, 08:59:40 AM
http://www.guitarworld.com/metallica-cover-ozzy-osbourne-beatles-and-deep-purple-musicares-map-fund-benefit-video

Metallica covering some songs, including The Beatles, Ozzy, and Deep Purple
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 13, 2014, 09:16:57 AM
Those are pretty cool. I chuckled when James sung "Diarrhea of a Madman!"  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on May 13, 2014, 11:03:47 AM
I never thought I'd see Metallica cover The Beatles. Not that it was a brilliant cover or whatever, it was still touching and at the same time important to see that even Metallica acknowledges The Beatles. What a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 13, 2014, 11:24:26 AM
Metallica does do some pretty good cover songs, ill give them that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 13, 2014, 03:45:55 PM
I never thought I'd see Metallica cover The Beatles. Not that it was a brilliant cover or whatever, it was still touching and at the same time important to see that even Metallica acknowledges The Beatles. What a pleasant surprise.

On that note, this reminds me.  There's a cover band called Beatallica where they mashed up Beatles and Metallica songs.  It's not bad.  It's weird however.  Metallica approves of them though.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: me7 on May 13, 2014, 04:05:07 PM
Beatallica are amazing. I genuinely love "The Thing that should not let it be".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mladen on May 14, 2014, 02:23:16 AM
Yeah, I remember hearing that. But now, Beatallica became reality.  :metal  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 14, 2014, 08:15:30 AM
On that note, this reminds me.  There's a cover band called Beatallica where they mashed up Beatles and Metallica songs.  It's not bad.  It's weird however.  Metallica approves of them though.

Metallica approves of them and DT approves of them as well.  I saw Beatallica open for DT in 2010 while DT was on tour opening for Iron Maiden.  DT played a couple one-off headlining shows during that tour run, one of which was in Ohio and Beatallica opened for them.

MP even came out and joined them for a song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmtsUQYspvk
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 15, 2014, 04:28:09 PM
They need to bring in Nick Raskulinecz to produce the next one.....virtually every record I've heard by him lately is excellent.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 16, 2014, 02:47:42 AM
Only good sounding Rick Rubin album I owne is Blue Garden by Masters of the Universe.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on May 16, 2014, 04:59:50 AM
He's responsible for so many amazing albums in the past, it's not even funny.   There was a time when anything the guy touched was guaranteed to be fantastic.   I have no idea what happened.   Everything after Blood Sugar Sex Magic has been awful.   
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on May 16, 2014, 09:05:57 AM
He's responsible for so many amazing albums in the past, it's not even funny.   There was a time when anything the guy touched was guaranteed to be fantastic.   I have no idea what happened.   Everything after Blood Sugar Sex Magic has been awful.

That record itself is amazing though.. weird.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on May 16, 2014, 12:00:53 PM
Everything after Blood Sugar Sex Magic has been awful.
Say what you want about the sound quality(which I think sounds fine) but the Red Hot Chili Peppers are still amazing. I'm With You was amazing as were the all of the b-sides they released.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Mindflux on May 16, 2014, 12:21:16 PM
Everything after Blood Sugar Sex Magic has been awful.

No, just No. Californication and By The Way are AMAZING.

Hell I even like One Hot Minute quite a bit.  Not a super fan of anything after By The Way, though. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 16, 2014, 08:33:08 PM
I'm pretty sure jammin is talking about the sound quality of the albums, not necessarily the overall quality of the songs or the albums.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on May 16, 2014, 08:35:16 PM
The Sound for I'm With You has always sounded just fine to me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2014, 05:14:15 PM
Here you go. Frayed played live for the first time ever.

Not bad sound .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwuZ7gJS6hk
Title: Toy soldiers off to war!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 28, 2014, 06:07:43 PM
Very well done. Lars even appeared to nail the all-important drum fill or if it was off in any way it was virtually unnoticeable. Maybe this'll give 'em the motivation to drag some more shit out of the closet like Where the Wild Things are.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 28, 2014, 06:48:00 PM
They said they've been practicing more obscure stuff recently like Unforgiven 2.

They're playing St. Anger this tour too. I'm interested in hearing that with Lars new abilities and James now voice.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on May 28, 2014, 06:58:51 PM
Very well done. Lars even appeared to nail the all-important drum fill or if it was off in any way it was virtually unnoticeable. Maybe this'll give 'em the motivation to drag some more shit out of the closet like Where the Wild Things are.

The fill was a tad late and slower, but I'm happy he actually did it.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 28, 2014, 07:05:09 PM
It's kinda funny, but all the Germany shows are going to have St. Anger on it.  Was that track a major hit there?  Hopefully, there will be a proshot/live stream on it as well as the entire Rock AM Ring festival show and other band performances like A7X and Alter Bridge.  I would not leave that stream at all during that day if there is one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 28, 2014, 11:23:03 PM
That wasn't bad. They played the whole song, and attempted everything as it was on the album. As usual, Lars wasn't that tight, but he kept the right tempo without going fast, and didn't screw up too badly. Hammett did a decent job on the solo, and Hetfield was good as usual.
I still don't think the song is that great, but I'd like to see them play the rarer stuff a bit more.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 28, 2014, 11:43:47 PM
Fixxxer or Low Man's Lyric would be nice as would Carpe Diem Baby.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 29, 2014, 12:44:13 AM
That was great! Lars was a lot better than normal, especially during 'THE fill'. Kirk wasn't really tight with the solo, but whatever. Overall the song sounded great and I'm surprised at how good James' vocals are getting.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on May 29, 2014, 03:31:45 AM
I still don't think the song is that great, but I'd like to see them play the rarer stuff a bit more.
I can't really see that happening with this By Request thing they're doing now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dimitrius on May 29, 2014, 09:17:41 AM
Yeah, the fill was a tad slower but I'm still stoked he actually played it and that he was so faithful to the drum parts.

I'm actually happy their playing some St. Anger stuff, if only to bring some diversity to the sets. They sorely need it!

Also, a few days ago The Black Album crossed the 16 million records sold line it's officially the biggest selling record of the SoundScan era.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on May 29, 2014, 09:30:07 AM
Apart from a few minor changes it really feels like they have played the same setlist for the last 10 years or so. I know the casual fans are probably the biggest part of their fanbase, and it makes sense to play mostly classics, but it would be fun seeing them bring out some oddballs from Load/ReLoad or even St.Anger.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 29, 2014, 12:29:06 PM
The St. Anger songs would be pretty energetic live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aprilethereal on May 30, 2014, 01:27:01 PM
That Frayed Ends performance was pretty damn good except for the solo. One of my favourite songs from AJFA, cool to see it finally played live in its entirety.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 30, 2014, 03:41:25 PM
That Frayed Ends performance was pretty damn good except for the solo. One of my favourite songs from AJFA, cool to see it finally played live in its entirety.
If Kirk were to practise a lot more, and if he were to be able to nail the solo, Metallica would be really fun to see live again. I mean, Lars nowadays isn't a very good drummer still, but he is a lot better than he was 10 (or even 5) years ago. James is only getting better and Robert is always good.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on May 30, 2014, 03:51:57 PM
While I have never seen Metallica live before, If I were to see them, Id hope they wouldnt too their standard tour and actually play some different tunes.  I have a few of the DVDs and Blu Rays so I dont really have an interest in seeing all the same stuff they always play.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on May 30, 2014, 03:52:48 PM
^True that, I've seen them once but I'd only go see them again if the setlists were less 'standard'.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 30, 2014, 05:37:10 PM
Wouldn't count on it for now. Bread and butter is bread and butter with them it seems. Not griping either cuz their setlists are really quite fantastic and are only weighed down by redundancy, not content.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on May 30, 2014, 07:30:11 PM
When people say " You hate hearing Sandman live until you go and see Metallica - then you want them to play it "

Nope. If I saw Metallica live for the first time and they didn't play Nothing, Sad, Sand or Seek - i'd be a very happy bunny.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 30, 2014, 09:56:19 PM
I'd be pissed off if I'd paid ~$170 (it was around that when I saw them) and didn't get to see a lot of those known songs. I do like surprises too, but stick them in other slots (such as instead of the chunk of DM they played). But I want to hear Enter Sandman, Seek and Destroy, Master of Puppets etc. Seeing a live clip on Youtube a hundred times is not the same as being there live.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 30, 2014, 10:14:11 PM
Word. I saw them for the first (and only) time on the St. Anger tour and this was the setlist:

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2004/new-orleans-arena-new-orleans-la-33d6dc8d.html

Blackened
Fuel
Harvester of Sorrow
No Leaf Clover
Wherever I May Roam
The Unforgiven
The God that Failed
St. Anger
Fade to Black
Creeping Death
Battery

Encore:

Sad but True
Nothing Else Matters
Master of Puppets
One
Enter Sandman

Encore 2:

Disposable Heroes
Seek & Destroy


It fucking ripped my dick off with its awesomeness. I got white girl wasted off of piss and my neck hurt for the next four days from headbanging like a PCP-fueled harlot sucking dick for her next fix. Wouldn't change it for the world.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 30, 2014, 10:42:11 PM
This was the setlist when I saw them-
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2010/acer-arena-sydney-australia-43d55b1b.html

With a back catalogue like Metallica's, do they even have bad setlists?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 30, 2014, 11:23:15 PM
Nigga, you got to see Through the Never...AJFA........












...AND Motorbreath?!?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 30, 2014, 11:38:44 PM
Here's the setlist I got when I saw them:


:sadpanda:


Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 30, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
Sad Panda's a misunderstood, grandiose epic. Stop being a spoiled bitch and eat your porridge.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on May 31, 2014, 12:08:28 AM
I think the thing that makes the live staples fun for me is the energy of the crowd.  When a band plays a deep cut from a one of their less popular albums, there are going to be people in the crowd who love it, but there are also going to be people in the crowd who hate it, as well as people who just don't give a fuck about it, and potentially even a few people who have never even heard it.  On the other hand, when a band lays a live staple and traditional fan favorite, yes, there are going to be some people who are sick of it, but the vocal majority are going to be singing along and rocking the fuck out, and that energy makes for a great experience. 

For example, when I went to see Iron Maiden, I know there were people in the audience who had been to hundreds of Maiden concerts and were sick to death of hearing Fear of the Dark.  You know what I would say to those people?  'Tough shit.'  It was my first time seeing them, and I would have been severely disappointed if I didn't get to experience FotD.  There's a reason they keep playing that song - it's an amazing audience participation song, and it makes for a wonderful live atmosphere. 

Same thing goes with some of the Metallica staples for me.  Even if they aren't necessarily my favorite songs, I'm going to love the experience, because I'm going to be surrounded by a sea of people who are loving it. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on May 31, 2014, 12:42:37 AM
I really wish they'd switch up the set closer. Cuz Seek & Destroy, while a great song, is getting EXTREMELY boring and predictable at the end.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 31, 2014, 12:58:40 AM
Seek is, at best, a good to pretty good song. Nothing great. The intro is really the only noteworthy thing about it and much of it is bland. I'd easily consider all of these KEA tracks better:

The Four Horsemen
Motorbreath
Jump in the Fire
Anesthesia (Pulling Teeth)
Whiplash
Phantom Lord
No Remorse

So basically, I only consider it better than Hit the Lights (as far as KEA goes) and might enjoy Metal Militia more than it on any given day.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on May 31, 2014, 01:00:36 AM
I think the thing that makes the live staples fun for me is the energy of the crowd.  When a band plays a deep cut from a one of their less popular albums, there are going to be people in the crowd who love it, but there are also going to be people in the crowd who hate it, as well as people who just don't give a fuck about it, and potentially even a few people who have never even heard it.  On the other hand, when a band lays a live staple and traditional fan favorite, yes, there are going to be some people who are sick of it, but the vocal majority are going to be singing along and rocking the fuck out, and that energy makes for a great experience. 

For example, when I went to see Iron Maiden, I know there were people in the audience who had been to hundreds of Maiden concerts and were sick to death of hearing Fear of the Dark.  You know what I would say to those people?  'Tough shit.'  It was my first time seeing them, and I would have been severely disappointed if I didn't get to experience FotD.  There's a reason they keep playing that song - it's an amazing audience participation song, and it makes for a wonderful live atmosphere. 

Same thing goes with some of the Metallica staples for me.  Even if they aren't necessarily my favorite songs, I'm going to love the experience, because I'm going to be surrounded by a sea of people who are loving it. 

Good points. :tup
The band may have played the same song live at every single show, but most of the audience is only seeing that one show, so they want to hear that song. And the audience response is a part of the live experience, for better or worse.
Luckily, Metallica is one of those bands that could play just about any random mixed setlist, and I'd probably be happy. They don't just have a couple of "hits" per album, and then some obscure filler; they have multiple classic albums of strong material that would almost all be great to hear played.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2014, 01:59:59 AM
http://www.metallica.com/tour/may-28-2014-helsinki.asp

Frayed pro shot and soundboard audio at the end ( 30 min video ).
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on June 03, 2014, 03:19:28 PM
Awesome! Enjoying that quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Onno on June 03, 2014, 03:28:48 PM
Indeed!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2014, 03:32:44 PM
On the Metallica forum - someone said that Met On Tour would probably celebrate the debut of Frayed by showing us Sandman from the show.

Met On Tour replied " We should ".

Then they did :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on June 10, 2014, 06:02:47 AM
http://www.revolvermag.com/news/video-watch-metallicas-entire-rock-am-ring-set.html

Live show from Rock Am Ring.

Damn, Hetfield's singing is very good! He's so powerful all of a sudden. His growl is deep and he has the highs as well. What the f**k is this!!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 10, 2014, 08:11:01 AM
Taken right before their Pinkpop gig in the Netherlands....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10389681_455450257933304_1351227242053706598_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on June 10, 2014, 08:12:43 AM
Hunter of the shadows is riiiiiisiiiiiiiiiing!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on June 10, 2014, 08:38:00 AM
Gotta be shopped.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 11, 2014, 11:07:54 AM
Wow...I'm thinking that's not fake.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on June 11, 2014, 04:52:32 PM
So I was watching Creeping Death from Cunning Stunts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-rrzdyeDC0) and it occurred to me that there is more time between now and Cunning Stunts than there is between Cunning Stunts and the release of Creeping Death.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 28, 2014, 12:41:50 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/errnc8/live/cgfrbp

Metallica live from Glasto tonight at 21:45 GMT

2 Hour set.

:)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 28, 2014, 12:43:18 PM
So I was watching Creeping Death from Cunning Stunts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-rrzdyeDC0) and it occurred to me that there is more time between now and Cunning Stunts than there is between Cunning Stunts and the release of Creeping Death.

This is completely off topic but -

- someone pointed out that next year is 30 years since Back To The Future and 1985 was 30 years since 1955.

The point being that 1955 is way more different to 1985 than 1985 is to now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 28, 2014, 02:18:36 PM
^^ Wow.  That's spooky.

As for the Glastonbury stream, I've been trying for a while to get the stream to run properly and I finally got it done.  Now I can wait 30 min. before Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 28, 2014, 05:50:34 PM
Very interesting and good intro video in light of the whole some people wanted Metallica out of Glastonbury due to James' thing on hunting on the History Channel (I think).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUbulh9WdLtEXiooRcYK7SWw&v=L3BSjV0IkWU

Start it at around 1:30.  Before that time is their standard intro video.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: 73109 on June 28, 2014, 06:58:03 PM
I still maintain that mid 90s Metallica was the best Metallica. You got the great songs off of Load/Re-Load plus the band still kicking ass on their old shit (as evidenced by the Creeping Death video). James really came into his voice at that time and I really like the bluesier shit Kirk was into, Lars could still play, and Jason provided a shitload of energy and awesome backing vox.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 28, 2014, 07:21:30 PM
The Black Album tour was awesome in a multitude of ways. They pretty much turned over and died as soon as Load happened though. It's not bad music per se, but it's sure as shit not Metallica.

And seeing what they are now...god. They really should have just hung it up after that tour. It's really only gone downhill with maybe a few brief ascents before promptly descending even further.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on June 30, 2014, 03:10:56 PM
The 80s - great.

The 90's - Decent

The 00's to now = :emo:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cruithne on July 01, 2014, 07:26:03 AM
Very interesting and good intro video in light of the whole some people wanted Metallica out of Glastonbury due to James' thing on hunting on the History Channel (I think).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUbulh9WdLtEXiooRcYK7SWw&v=L3BSjV0IkWU

Start it at around 1:30.  Before that time is their standard intro video.

Because obviously the same people taking objection to James' support of hunting are those lobbying parliament for the ban on fox hunting to be lifted so they can saddle up with their fellow upper class chums and satisfy their lust for vulpine blood?  :justjen

I'm not sure what mark they were trying to hit with that, but I think it was an ill judged one.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 02, 2014, 02:16:42 AM
All the little Tarquins and Penelopes going to Glastonbury on Daddy's money to celebrate their graduations didn't want Metallica there - simple as. I mean, Daddy's hasn't paid £3K for a deluxe teepee so they can listen to devil music with the unwashed proles, has he? The hunting thing was just an excuse.

Anyway, I thought Metallica owned it, and made me regret not going to Sonisphere this weekend. I dragged some of the old Metallica CDs out to listen to again and a thought occured to me - those older albums are crying out for decent CD remasters - can anyone think of a bigger selling band that still hasn't had its pre-digital back catalogue remastered? ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 02, 2014, 08:04:28 PM
lol


http://www.metalsucks.net/2014/07/02/new-lars-shirt-available-etsy/
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 03, 2014, 01:28:29 AM
I had a dream during my 16-hour sleep last night that James could sing about 75% as well as his black album tour self. Weirdly/awesomely enough, he was sporting his 80s hair length but regular and straight in texture, not Suzanne Somers in Three's Company style.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 03, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
lol


http://www.metalsucks.net/2014/07/02/new-lars-shirt-available-etsy/

But then Lars would be remembered as the greatest drummer of all time whilst Cliff would be the one that went sloppy :p
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on July 03, 2014, 08:31:37 PM
lol


http://www.metalsucks.net/2014/07/02/new-lars-shirt-available-etsy/

The average IQ of those commentors must be about 17. Sorry I read them.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: NotePad on July 19, 2014, 12:30:44 PM
Does anyone think that St. Anger has a sound and style that is pretty similar to Korn's debut S/T album? For this I find it kinda interesting that Korn's vocalist, Johnathan something, has said he thinks St. Anger is horrible.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 20, 2014, 11:22:17 AM
Except Korn's debut is good, has much better sounding drums, and is not really anything like SA at all.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on July 20, 2014, 07:47:22 PM
Well Korn also has that creepy shadowy crustacean on the cover so 1 point to Metallica.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: MetalJunkie on July 20, 2014, 10:41:19 PM
lol


http://www.metalsucks.net/2014/07/02/new-lars-shirt-available-etsy/
Fucking ouch. I'd think a genuine Metallica fan wouldn't want to disrespect Metallica by wearing that. (I'm not implying you would or wouldn't, I'm just speaking in general)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on July 25, 2014, 02:27:21 PM
Just listening to Reload, and realizing what I don't like about it (and Load): they try to be heavy and they're not, they try to be emotional and they are not.  They just sound watered-down and forced. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 25, 2014, 04:10:59 PM
Depends if you want heavy.

Death Magnetic sounds *way* more forced to me. :dunno:
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on July 25, 2014, 07:49:29 PM
Load/Reload also suffers from bad recording I think.  The sound is not as rich as on The Black Album, especially the vocals.  Also, James sounds like he's singing both heavy songs and ballads in the same voice, where on songs like Unforgiven, there's a clear difference in tone and feeling.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on July 25, 2014, 09:11:11 PM
I find some of the songs on Load and Reload very emotional. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 25, 2014, 10:56:01 PM
I think Load definitely has some of their most emotional songs. James' vocals are overall much more emotional than his older approach. It doesn't try to be thrash metal heavy, it aims to be a heavy rock sound, and it succeeds. As my pal Kotowboy said, it sounds much less forced than DM.
And imo it has their best production along with TBA. The albums before were cheaper recordings with some obvious issues, and the studio albums since have sounded notoriously bad.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on July 26, 2014, 02:02:14 AM
Agreed Blob, Black Album through to Garage Inc was their peak in terms of sound.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 26, 2014, 02:56:59 AM
Regardless of what people think of the music, the '90s was a good decade for production for Metallica.
Now that Metallica owns their recordings, I'd love to see the '80s albums get good remasters, and remixes where needed, as long as they don't mess up the mastering. I love AJFA, but I can't listen to it anymore due to the wonky mix. Having that album with bass guitar would be like a whole new album experience for me.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on July 26, 2014, 03:44:55 AM
I was having that really tired argument with someone on twitter last night. You know the one.

" Bob Rock ruined Metallica ! He made them go commercial ! "

 ::) That's why the demoes for the Black Album existed pretty much as they appear on the finished album BEFORE Bob Rock came on board

AND

Bob Rock said in an interview that he wasn't allowed to suggest arrangement ideas - he could only suggest tempos

AND

It's f---ing Hetfield and Ulrich. Does anyone really think that anything happens in Metallica without their consent ? If so - you don't know how much they control the band.

Same with St. Anger. Some people actually think the production was 100% Bob's "fault" and James and Lars just stood silent in a corner shuffling their feet going

" Yes Bob. No Bob. :emo: "

AND

They heard the Motley Crue album Bob produced and said " we want it to sound like that ".
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: dparrott on July 26, 2014, 08:40:09 AM
I agree the songs are more emotional, but the delivery seems cold and unfeeling to me compared to say NEM.  Whatever, it's just something I noticed.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on July 27, 2014, 02:11:11 PM
I think Mama Said is very emotional, and Fixxxer also.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 27, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
They need to play Fixxxer live. It's time.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 03, 2015, 06:30:35 AM
So Lars has told Rolling Stone that they're pretty much in "pre-production" mode.

I assume this means that all the material for the album is written and they're demoing all the finished songs to see what needs tweaking / if there's an overall theme /

nailing the vibe of the album / deciding on producer.

However - even after Pre Production - Death Magnetic still took 18 months to come out so don't hold your breath :lol

At least it's *something*.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ZKX-2099 on March 03, 2015, 07:22:20 AM
Yeah. I'm now at the point where I no longer bother to see whats going on with it.

If it ever comes out I'll find out, bot for now I AM THE TABLE
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on March 03, 2015, 07:27:45 AM
In other news, the band has announced that their No Life 'Til Leather demo will be officially released.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/legendary_metallica_demo_tape_to_get_official_release.html
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 03, 2015, 07:31:10 AM
Yeah. I'm now at the point where I no longer bother to see whats going on with it.

If it ever comes out I'll find out, bot for now I AM THE TABLE

I'm that way with TOOL as well. 9 years since 10,000 Days which wasn't anywhere near as good as Lateralus despite taking 5 years itself.

May 2006 - just think back to what you were doing then and everything you've done / achieved in that time and TOOL have been working on one album the whole time.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Progmetty on March 03, 2015, 10:03:29 AM
This got me thinking if that No Life 'Til Leather release would have happened two years back, Dave Mustaine would have been inducted with them in the Hall of Fame since the HoF committee said he wasn't cause he never appear on an official Metallica release.
Somewhere Mustaine heard this news and went "D'Oh!" heh
But it's cool they're releasing it, I was just recently thinking of digging my old mp3's of it up for a listen but now I'll just wait for the -hopefully- better quality release.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 03, 2015, 12:37:15 PM
:lol


That sucks
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2015, 04:28:00 PM
So Lars has said that they've "pretty much" finished writing - have close to 20 songs completed and will enter Pre-Production within a month.

I guess that's *something*. I'd never expect a concrete update like that from TOOL.

I still don't expect the album before Sep 2016 at the earliest. But hey ho.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dream Team on March 04, 2015, 05:37:38 PM
So Lars has said that they've "pretty much" finished writing - have close to 20 songs completed and will enter Pre-Production within a month.

I guess that's *something*. I'd never expect a concrete update like that from TOOL.

I still don't expect the album before Sep 2016 at the earliest. But hey ho.

That would be 8 years between full studio albums. Insane. I remember back in the 80s long before the internet you would just constantly check the record stores hoping to see a new release. Good thing my favorite bands didn't take 8 years in between albums back then.  :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 04, 2015, 05:42:23 PM
So Lars has said that they've "pretty much" finished writing - have close to 20 songs completed and will enter Pre-Production within a month.

I guess that's *something*. I'd never expect a concrete update like that from TOOL.

I still don't expect the album before Sep 2016 at the earliest. But hey ho.

That would be 8 years between full studio albums. Insane. I remember back in the 80s long before the internet you would just constantly check the record stores hoping to see a new release. Good thing my favorite bands didn't take 8 years in between albums back then.  :lol

Were there no announcements on the radio, TV, or magazine?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2015, 05:44:20 PM
Back in the day - like early 90s - you'd learn of new albums in music magazines.

I don't think i've ever gone into a record store and just seen one of my favourite bands has a new album out without knowing about it.


RE : Metallica. I'd prefer nothing for ages then an update saying exactly where they are instead of years of vague half-truths and blatantly false information.

Metallica have done this too but i'm thinking specifically of other bands.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 04, 2015, 05:54:01 PM

I don't think i've ever gone into a record store and just seen one of my favourite bands has a new album out without knowing about it.

Usually the way you found out about new albums was on the radio. There'd be a new single or a video on MTV.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 04, 2015, 06:03:35 PM

I don't think i've ever gone into a record store and just seen one of my favourite bands has a new album out without knowing about it.

Usually the way you found out about new albums was on the radio. There'd be a new single or a video on MTV.

Yes this too. I'm not old enough to be into music before a time when it was all over the TV.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 04, 2015, 06:54:37 PM
I'm old enough to remember the 80's.   If you hung around your local record store often enough that they knew you on a first name basis, the guy behind the counter usually had a couple of months notice from the local record reps.   

If you wanted to know, there were always ways to get a heads up. 

Sometimes, if I thought a band was due, I would just call the local reps myself.    Every record company had a local distribution center in most major metropolis areas.    I would call local reps myself out of the phonebook, and sometimes they had heard about things that were on the horizon *several* months in advance. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on March 04, 2015, 07:48:22 PM
I worked in a record store in the 80s and we did know what was coming inside a couple of months, and had a coming soon board for releases about a month out. You still could wander into a store and be shocked by what you found, but that was gone for me at least by the mid-80s.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: black_biff_stadler on March 04, 2015, 10:19:27 PM
Most of my favorite bands would just send a carrier pigeon to my house with the title/track listing/release date of their upcoming albums. Musicians were so polite back then.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 05, 2015, 07:55:37 AM
I worked in a record store in the 80s and we did know what was coming inside a couple of months, and had a coming soon board for releases about a month out. You still could wander into a store and be shocked by what you found, but that was gone for me at least by the mid-80s.
Right. Most stores had a "Upcoming New Releases" board hanging up.

And there were still ways to follow a band. Kerrang had a great news section, that was very up to date.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on March 05, 2015, 11:32:47 AM
After St. Anger and Death Magnetic,  I'm expecting audiophile recording and mixing this time. Stop fooling around.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 05, 2015, 11:48:27 AM
After St. Anger and Death Magnetic,  I'm expecting audiophile recording and mixing this time. Stop fooling around.

At least the band have addressed Death magnetic's sound in a negative fashion. They know it sounds bad.

I can't imagine the next album will sound as bad.  Lou Reed aside - Lulu actually sounded nice sonically. Fat guitars and drums.

Also their Ronnie Rising medley. The next album needs to sound like those. Bring back that signature Hetfield CRUNCH.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on March 05, 2015, 11:49:14 AM
I worked in a record store in the 80s and we did know what was coming inside a couple of months, and had a coming soon board for releases about a month out. You still could wander into a store and be shocked by what you found, but that was gone for me at least by the mid-80s.
Right. Most stores had a "Upcoming New Releases" board hanging up.

And there were still ways to follow a band. Kerrang had a great news section, that was very up to date.

Kerrang's distribution in the US was pretty spotty in the 80s, but in keeping with the thread Kerrang was how I found out when Master of Puppets was coming out.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 20, 2015, 05:07:50 PM
How is this even possible?
http://bravewords.com/news/metallica-have-lost-more-money-than-theyve-made-according-to-authors-of-into-the-black
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 20, 2015, 05:15:27 PM
How is this even possible?
http://bravewords.com/news/metallica-have-lost-more-money-than-theyve-made-according-to-authors-of-into-the-black

Is touring the US a losing money scenario for them?  Why don't the do a US arena tour?   (I stole that from one of the commenters) If IM can do it and be successful, why isnt Metallica doing this?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2015, 07:49:17 PM
How is this even possible?
http://bravewords.com/news/metallica-have-lost-more-money-than-theyve-made-according-to-authors-of-into-the-black

2 x Orion Festivals which lost money.

1 x Lulu album which nobody bought

1 x 3D Concert movie which flopped badly



Honestly - the stupidest thing they did was - after releasing a well received comeback LP and successful  tour in 2008 -

they did nothing to follow it up and maintain that new momentum. They stopped dead in their tracks and let it all grind to a halt.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 20, 2015, 07:52:11 PM
One thing I don't quite understand though...

Metallica as a business lost all that money but Metallica the individuals are still set for life.

Where does the money for the "business" side come from if the guys in the band don't pay for it ?

How do they seperate personal royalties from business funds ?

Anyone business minded care to help me out ?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 20, 2015, 07:59:11 PM
One thing I don't quite understand though...

Metallica as a business lost all that money but Metallica the individuals are still set for life.

Where does the money for the "business" side come from if the guys in the band don't pay for it ?

How do they seperate personal royalties from business funds ?

Anyone business minded care to help me out ?

Just an educated guess, but aren't business loses a tax write off?   The Metallica company keeps its members on the payroll, so they still get a check, but if the Metallica company loses money, there are ways to protect it financially.

Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on March 21, 2015, 05:32:32 AM
I expect the Metallica business to have built up fairly substantial reserves from past successes.

I'd also point out that the article only says "it's likely" that the business has lost money. They don't know for certain, as it's only based on the fact that there have been some financial disasters, but they won't know the details of how much money their successes have made. I imagine that, other than the Orion festival, most of their touring is quite profitable.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on March 21, 2015, 11:19:02 AM
How is this even possible?
http://bravewords.com/news/metallica-have-lost-more-money-than-theyve-made-according-to-authors-of-into-the-black

2 x Orion Festivals which lost money.

1 x Lulu album which nobody bought

1 x 3D Concert movie which flopped badly



Honestly - the stupidest thing they did was - after releasing a well received comeback LP and successful  tour in 2008 -

they did nothing to follow it up and maintain that new momentum. They stopped dead in their tracks and let it all grind to a halt.


I will add, on top of this, that them buying out their record rights, and the fact that they have HQ has to contribute. That place is insane, so to pay for that place, the staff, and all the gear in there cannot be cheap either.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 21, 2015, 12:54:04 PM
I expect the Metallica business to have built up fairly substantial reserves from past successes.

I'd also point out that the article only says "it's likely" that the business has lost money. They don't know for certain, as it's only based on the fact that there have been some financial disasters, but they won't know the details of how much money their successes have made. I imagine that, other than the Orion festival, most of their touring is quite profitable.

Their touring should be profitable.  Here are the boxscores of their last South America tour last year.

Metallica Estadio do Morumbi Sao Paulo, Brazil March 22, 2014 $5,701,630 61,742 / 63,347 1 / 0 $257.68, $77.30 T4F-Time For Fun

10 Metallica Estadio Unico Ciudad de La Plata Buenos Aires, Argentina March 29-30, 2014 $4,719,390 76,407 / 79,038 2 / 0 $124.87, $31.22 T4F-Time For Fun

12 Metallica Parque Bicentenario Quito, Ecuador March 18, 2014 $3,877,959 32,257 / 32,257 1 / 1 $225, $30 Evenpro Group/Move Concerts

15 Metallica Estadio Monumental Santiago, Chile March 27, 2014 $3,508,790 43,296 / 43,296 1 / 1 $170.18, $48.37 T4F-Time For Fun

18 Metallica Parque Simon Bolivar Bogota, Colombia March 16, 2014 $2,857,030 30,974 / 34,137 1 / 0 $156.23, $73.23 Evenpro Group/Move Concerts

21 Metallica Jockey Club Asuncion, Paraguay March 24, 2014 $2,256,140 28,277 / 32,200 1 / 0 $223.81, $40.29 Evenpro Group/Move Concerts

26 Metallica Estadio Nacional Lima, Peru March 20, 2014 $1,925,090 27,858 / 31,600 1 / 0 $164.23, $18.95 Evenpro Group/Move Concerts

http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/139175/billboard-boxscore-04-12-14

At the very least, they are not certainly playing in front of half-emptied crowds in South America and they always going to be a huge draw in any European Summer festivals, no matter what kind of tour they want to do. 

It's just the other ventures that are the problem.  I mean sure, they probably want to do all of this (Lulu, Orion Festival, Through the Never Movie) because they feel like doing it and can afford to do to take a hit if it doesn't do well financially.  The problem is just that the fans just don't care as much.  The fans just want a new album out and an arena tour where they don't have to pay as much money for a ticket as a festival or a stadium shows.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 21, 2015, 03:20:49 PM
I finally bought Load. It was $5 at Walmart. So was Master of Puppets, but I already have that. I think by next year Walmart wont have CDs anymore. Their CD section is more gutted than Target. In fact, every major store's CD section is shrinking more and more. It makes me sad. Fry's Electronics is selling most of their CDs for $5 too, but I haven't been there in a while so they could all be gone by now.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaq on March 21, 2015, 03:26:52 PM
It's a sad state of affairs, to go off topic for a moment, when a Barnes & Noble has more CDs in it than Best Buy. And right now, in a suburban area with about 300,000 people in it, there's only ONE dedicated music store, a FYE in a mall that's showing the classic early signs of retail death. I suspect in five years if I don't want to order a CD from online stores, I'll have to go to a really big city.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 21, 2015, 03:48:25 PM
Yeah even FYE is dropping their prices a bit. I never liked that store though because of the prices. $20+ for a CD when everywhere else is charging $12 to $14 max. Get out of here with that shit. I don't plan on living in AZ forever so the biggest hit for me is not being able to go to the local record store, Zia, which there are many locations. I want to move back to Florida, and there isn't anything like Zia over there. I usual buy online anyway, but it's nice when you don't have to pay extra for shipping.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 12:54:28 PM
Record stores have been dying a slow painful death for awhile now and its spread to electronic stores that also sold music.  Oh well, that is life.  Eventually a CD will be a novelty the way records are today, people will still buy them but only the really hardcore music fans and audiophiles.  I personally stopped buying CDs a long time ago.  Amazon with instant MP3 downloads ended that for me.  CDs also take up space.  Its just the way of evolution.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 23, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
But it's beautiful, beautiful space.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
But it's beautiful, beautiful space.

It is and I still have my CD stacked in a nice tower holder, but it has not been added to or modified in many years while my music library has still grown.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: aurorablind on March 25, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
Wow, its been a really long time since I've posted here..

I've been listening a lot to Load and ReLoad recently. I never really cared for these albums. I guess it's because I was in my real big Metallica fase about fifteen years ago, when I was a pure metalhead.
I love these two albums now. The production is really good, the melodies are good, the bass is crisp, the guitars are FAT, and I like the way Lars actually utilizes the drums. When have you ever heard Lars actually use a ride-cymbal properly, beside these two albums?

There is defenitely som filler on these albums, but the albums are still really underappreciated IMO.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2015, 05:12:46 PM
Anyone see or read this?

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/you-can-blame-lars-ulrich-for-lack-of-bass-on-metallicas-and-justice-for-all/ (http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/you-can-blame-lars-ulrich-for-lack-of-bass-on-metallicas-and-justice-for-all/)

I've always disliked Lars and I can just add this to my reasons why, although I know he is not the only musician to do something like this.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 25, 2015, 09:05:50 PM
What a dickbag

Probably coked out of his mind.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 25, 2015, 09:06:58 PM
I bet his drums sounded amazing before he interfered.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 25, 2015, 09:10:32 PM
Listening to And Justice for Jason now.  This album would be so much better if it had some bass in it - his parts are cool and his tone is gnarly af.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: mikemangioy on March 26, 2015, 12:28:34 AM
Lars's a douche. I'd slap him in the face.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 26, 2015, 12:33:00 AM
Seriously, tho.  And Justice for Jason is great.  I really enjoyed listening through that.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 26, 2015, 04:13:32 AM
Seriously, tho.  And Justice for Jason is great.  I really enjoyed listening through that.

Was it the one with the random fan who just recorded his own bass lines over it or the 4 or 5 guitar hero fan edit tracks?
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2015, 05:15:43 AM
Wow, its been a really long time since I've posted here..

I've been listening a lot to Load and ReLoad recently. I never really cared for these albums. I guess it's because I was in my real big Metallica fase about fifteen years ago, when I was a pure metalhead.
I love these two albums now. The production is really good, the melodies are good, the bass is crisp, the guitars are FAT, and I like the way Lars actually utilizes the drums. When have you ever heard Lars actually use a ride-cymbal properly, beside these two albums?

There is defenitely som filler on these albums, but the albums are still really underappreciated IMO.

The production is excellent on them, though I have not heard ReLoad in years. I wouldn't say the albums are underappreciated at all. You can find tons of people that like them. And maybe by another band, they're not bad albums. They are just bad Metallica albums. There are some decent tunes on Load to be sure, but that is not the Metallica that I fell in love with.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on March 26, 2015, 05:57:08 AM
Wow, its been a really long time since I've posted here..

I've been listening a lot to Load and ReLoad recently. I never really cared for these albums. I guess it's because I was in my real big Metallica fase about fifteen years ago, when I was a pure metalhead.
I love these two albums now. The production is really good, the melodies are good, the bass is crisp, the guitars are FAT, and I like the way Lars actually utilizes the drums. When have you ever heard Lars actually use a ride-cymbal properly, beside these two albums?

There is defenitely som filler on these albums, but the albums are still really underappreciated IMO.

The production is excellent on them, though I have not heard ReLoad in years. I wouldn't say the albums are underappreciated at all. You can find tons of people that like them. And maybe by another band, they're not bad albums. They are just bad Metallica albums. There are some decent tunes on Load to be sure, but that is not the Metallica that I fell in love with.
They're not "bad". They just aren't what you were looking for from that band. Those are two different things. You're absolutely allowed to not like them, but it's a bit silly to label them as bad just because they're not like their earlier material.
Honestly, if Metallica had kept releasing albums in the  style of their first four, people would complain that they'd gotten stale and were repeating themselves.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2015, 06:09:19 AM
TL, I agree kind of. But they are bad Metallica albums, at least in terms of what Metallica was at the time. When they came out, I can't think of one Metallica fan that would not have them at the bottom.
That said, anyone that wasn't around at the time has the luxury of ignorance of what Metallica spent years of building. I can definitely see how someone younger can look at Load and compare it to Master, and decide that Master just isn't their cup of tea, but Load is.
But Metallica really left their core support behind and God love them, they hit it huge, which I guess was the point. They certainly reached the masses.
Heck, even TBA was a huge shift in style.
No I can get though about half of Load, but to me, Metallica is a band that fell off the face of the earth in 1992.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TL on March 26, 2015, 09:30:11 AM
That's fair.
For reference, I didn't listen to Metallica in a significant way until the early 2000s, so I wasn't along for the initial ride.
I wouldn't necessarily cite Load and Reload as better than the classic era; more that they're two very different things, and coming in late, I can appreciate each style for what they are.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: seasonsinthesky on March 26, 2015, 02:32:15 PM
But Metallica really left their core support behind and God love them, they hit it huge, which I guess was the point. They certainly reached the masses.
Heck, even TBA was a huge shift in style.

their core support already was the mainstream, exactly because of the black album style shift you mentioned right after.  :rollin

i don't like Load and Re-Load much either, but they didn't do that because they wanted more success. if that was what they wanted, there would be TBA again and again every couple of years, S&M and St. Anger would never have happened, etc.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 26, 2015, 04:11:47 PM
Seriously, tho.  And Justice for Jason is great.  I really enjoyed listening through that.

Was it the one with the random fan who just recorded his own bass lines over it or the 4 or 5 guitar hero fan edit tracks?

Hmmm? I don't think so?

No I can get though about half of Load, but to me, Metallica is a band that fell off the face of the earth in 1992.

If only!
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on March 27, 2015, 02:16:19 AM
The Unforgiven played by 8 floppy disc drives :|

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=37&v=lHgIpxQac3w
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 27, 2015, 11:46:34 AM
dafuq
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: TAC on March 27, 2015, 02:08:06 PM
But Metallica really left their core support behind and God love them, they hit it huge, which I guess was the point. They certainly reached the masses.
Heck, even TBA was a huge shift in style.

their core support already was the mainstream, exactly because of the black album style shift you mentioned right after.  :rollin

Yeah, I don't disagree. TBA was a huge shift, but for me, as much as I had trouble with it, I could still live with it.Load was another shift in the wrong (for me) direction, and I just couldn't follow them seriously after that.

That's fair.
For reference, I didn't listen to Metallica in a significant way until the early 2000s, so I wasn't along for the initial ride.
I wouldn't necessarily cite Load and Reload as better than the classic era; more that they're two very different things, and coming in late, I can appreciate each style for what they are.
Hey I didn't mean to go all Fogey on you. :lol
I envy you because you can look at Load and Reload objectively, whereas I cannot.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: cramx3 on March 27, 2015, 04:10:24 PM
Re-Load was actually the album that got me into Metallica.  It was those hits on the radio that introduced me, but it wasn't long before I realized the older material was where the goods were.  It left Reload and Load to still be solid albums at the time for me, but as I grew older I stopped liking those albums as much.  Still good stuff there, but not overall great albums like the previous.  And TBA is still a really good album IMO.  Just my view based on when I became a fan.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Cable on March 28, 2015, 05:49:49 AM


Was it the one with the random fan who just recorded his own bass lines over it or the 4 or 5 guitar hero fan edit tracks?

Hmmm? I don't think so?



I felt the tracks were from GH or RB-Metallica. I do not think I will ever buy the idea that GH and RB were the master tracks. I do remember reading that the greatest hits GH had original masters. And an article had talked about the guy that before the GH-GH package was the guitarist who re-recorded tracks of everything. GH or RB-Metallica was after that chronologically, so maybe it was the masters.
 
Any who, I actually have AJFJ instead of AJFA on my phone. Real bass tracks or not, AJFA is inaudible, so to me there never were any bass tracks. So having them, real or made up/covers to me is cool and adds to it! The very rare times I was able to hear bass on AJFA via headphones, it did feel Jason was following the guitars 100%; which is what AJFJ does.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on March 28, 2015, 11:50:09 AM
I'm used to AJFA without bass. It is how it is. It somehow sounds very strange to my ears with the added bass.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 29, 2015, 03:24:44 PM
It actually sounds way better with bass.  It ties everything together, it makes the mid-scooped guitars sound way better, and the drums sound fatter. 
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on March 29, 2015, 04:56:24 PM
Ride

Puppets
Justice
Kill
Black
DM

Load
ReLoad





St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 29, 2015, 05:03:46 PM
Nearly...

1. Master Of Puppets
2. The Black Album
3. Ride The Lightning
4. Load
5. And Justice For All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Reload
8. Kill Em All
9. St Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Dark Castle on March 29, 2015, 05:21:43 PM
1. Master Of Puppets
2. And Justice For All
3. The Black Album
4. Ride The Lightning
5. Death Magnetic
6. Kill Em All
7. Load
8. Re-Load
9. St. Anger (Sweet Amber is gawt damn dope though)
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Outcrier on March 29, 2015, 05:46:03 PM
1. And Justice for All
2. Master of Puppets
3. Ride The Lightning
4. The Black Album
5. Kill Em All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Load
8. Re-Load
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zook on March 29, 2015, 06:06:25 PM
Ride the Lightning
Master of Puppets
...And Justice For All
Metallica
Kill 'Em All
Load
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 29, 2015, 08:22:24 PM
We doing this?

1. Master of Puppets
2. ...And Justice For All
3. Ride the Lightning
4. The Black Album
5. Load
6. Kill 'Em All
7. Death Magnetic
8. Reload
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: sneakyblueberry on March 29, 2015, 08:31:37 PM
We doing this?

rite?

1. Rust in Peace
2. Youthanasia
3. Countdown to Extinction
4. So Far, So Good, So What
5. Peace Sells
6. KIMB
7. Cryptic Writings
8. The System Has Failed
9. The World Needs a Hero

And then Megadeth suddenly stops.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: bl5150 on March 29, 2015, 08:35:26 PM
Nearly...

1. Master Of Puppets
2. The Black Album
3. Ride The Lightning
4. Load
5. And Justice For All
6. Death Magnetic
7. Reload
8. Kill Em All
9. St Anger

I really haven't taken any notice since Load...........so take out the others and I basically agree.   And it's MoP by the length of the straight for me and then another big gap down after Ride The Lightning.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 29, 2015, 10:19:12 PM
Ride the Lightning
Load
Master of Puppets
The Black Album
And Justice For All
Death Magnetic
Kill Em All
Reload
St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: BlobVanDam on March 29, 2015, 10:25:36 PM
1.) Ride the Lightning
1.) Load
1.) Master of Puppets
1.) The Black Album
1.) And Justice For All
1.) Death Magnetic
1.) Kill Em All
1.) Reload
2.) St. Anger

Fixed to be more Jaffa-like.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Jaffa on March 29, 2015, 10:28:49 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zantera on March 30, 2015, 05:25:59 AM
1. Master of Puppets
2. And Justice For All
3. Ride the Lightning
-----
4. Load
5. Kill Em All
6. The Black Album
7. Reload
-----
8. St. Anger
-----
(Lulu)
(The Nine Circles of Hell)
9. Death Magnetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Zydar on March 30, 2015, 05:49:43 AM
1. Black Album
2. Ride The Lightning
3. Master Of Puppets
4. And Justice For All

5. Death Magnetic
6. Kill Em All
7. Load
8. Reload



9. St Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: jammindude on March 30, 2015, 06:07:49 AM
Ride the Lightning
Master of Puppets
And Justice For All
Kill Em All
St Anger
Lulu
The Black Album
Load
Reload
Death Magnetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: ariich on March 30, 2015, 06:27:55 AM
Boy, is it really that time again already?!

1. ...And Justice for All
2. Load
3. Master of Puppets
4. Metallica
5. Death Magnetic / Beyond Magnetic
6. Ride the Lightning
7. Reload
8. Kill 'Em All
9. St Anger

Everything down to and including Reload is at least good, and KEA is decent as well.
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: krands85 on March 30, 2015, 07:04:01 AM
1. Master of Puppets
2. Ride the Lightning
3. And Justice For All


4. Death Magnetic
5. Metallica
6. Kill Em All




7. Load
8. Reload
9. St. Anger
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: PixelDream on March 30, 2015, 08:27:04 AM
1. Master of Puppets
2. The Black Album
3. Ride The Lightning
4. Kill 'Em All - used to be really low, but I've grown quite fond of it over the years
5. ...And Justice For All
6. Load
7. Re-Load
8. St. Anger
9. Death Magnetic
Title: Re: The Metallica Thread v. Reloaded
Post by: Kotowboy on March 30, 2015, 10:34:10 AM
1. Master of