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Posts about Dream Theater's upcoming self-titled album go here. Feel free to discuss news, interviews, etc. about DT 12.
Please note that the other thread has been locked for excessive spam: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35260.0 Feel free to discuss and to speculate to your heart's content, but keep it reasonable so that we do not have to issue warnings (or worse) or lock and delete another thread.
ALSO OF NOTE: All official information about the album is listed here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36530.0
That thread is updated every time we get something new. If you don't want to have to read through 100+ pages of discussion and are just looking for the facts, that thread is the place to go.
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I'll start it out by saying, I'm excited to receive any news that the band decides they want to give us, and I'm SUPER excited to hear this damn album. :metal:
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I wouldn't mind if that purple on black is a slipcase cover.
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4th!
Cant wait for the news tomorrow, was it announced by RRUSA or other?
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Well with regards to the tracks, we know that there will be 9 songs on the album, including 2 instrumentals, one of which is billed as an Opening track, working title "YARGGG".
Other working titles so far include "Vinegar Seed", "The Clover" (instrumental), "Epic", "Smoothen", "Along For The Ride", "Dolphin Safe", "Bad Larry", and "Reap The Harvest". In addition to these 9 songs, there will be an "Easter Egg" track which features nothing but Keyboards and Guitar lead possibly an improvised collaboration between JP and JR, or something they just wrote and couldn't include in any of the songs.
Of course, the real fun will be figuring out which working titles go with which final track titles once we get the track listing (and hopefully times!). Of course, "YARGGG" will likely be the first track as it is listed as "Opening" on their progress board, and oddly enough the LAST song they wrote and recorded in their sessions from January-to-April.
With that in mind, I speculate that the Opening track will be a sort of overture which sets up the rest of the album. Why else write it at the end after 8 other songs? To me, it might be a "Six Degrees" style overture, or something more like "Overture 1928", an instrumental that sets up the tone for the album, either stylistically or musically. I'd like it to be both, and of course, a sort of concept album, but only time will tell.
-Marc.
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I cannot wait to see the track listing and album cover. Gonna be great!
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I wouldn't mind if that purple on black is a slipcase cover.
I think it would be cool as the disk art.
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The last thread said something about an announcement tomorrow. My guess is it will be something minor - but I could be wrong!
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Hopefully we'll get artwork and song titles! :metal
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I'm calling it: artwork and tracklist tomorrow.
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WHO SAID TOMORROW??
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I wouldn't mind if that purple on black is a slipcase cover.
I think it would be cool as the disk art.
I think so too. It makes a lot of sense for a self titled album
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WHO SAID TOMORROW??
RR did on their twitter.
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WHO SAID TOMORROW??
Roadrunner Records on Twitter
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Can't remember last time I've been this anxious to hear an album. I'm even thinking of organizing a listening party around here. haha
About the song titles, I would like a lot if "Reap the Harvest" is the real title (Pink Floyd - Dogs FTW). I think we have proof enough to believe that tomorrow at this time we'll have track list and cover! :biggrin:
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To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow. They just said there would be some news.
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At some point in the last thread, somebody posted a quote from Mike Mangini about the new album. Something about it being at least seven times better than anything else he had ever recorded. Was that a legitimate quote, or a joke? And if it was legitimate, could somebody link me?
I wanted to ask in the last thread, but it was moving faster than I could keep up with.
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"Easter Egg" track which features nothing but Keyboards and Guitar lead possibly an improvised collaboration between JP and JR, or something they just wrote and couldn't include in any of the songs.
Wait, what?
To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow. They just said there would be some news.
Well, someone just said they said that. I'm not doubting it, but it's definitely nothing concrete. I didn't see the tweet and I do follow RR and DT on twitter.
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Yeah I bet we get a tracklist, album cover and single announcement. Not the actual single itself, but something like "Tuesday July 16th" or something
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To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow. They just said there would be some news.
Well, someone just said they said that. I'm not doubting it, but it's definitely nothing concrete. I didn't see the tweet and I do follow RR and DT on twitter.
That's cos it's an @-response. Enjoy! (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354271902002446336)
ETA: "DEFINITELY. (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354295535341015040)"
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"Easter Egg" track which features nothing but Keyboards and Guitar lead possibly an improvised collaboration between JP and JR, or something they just wrote and couldn't include in any of the songs.
Wait, what?
It was visible on the Song Progress Chart they showed in a video that someone screen capped somewhere. It was in the old thread, but the 10th track at the bottom of the chart was simply titled "Easter Egg" and only had spots open for Guitar and Keys, specifically Synth and Piano with Lead Guitar.
-Marc.
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To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow. They just said there would be some news.
True, but last week they said we will get the cover/track listing THIS week.
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To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow. They just said there would be some news.
True, but last week they said we will get the cover/track listing THIS week.
...and based on that I said that we'll have tracklist and cover tomorrow. Guess I'm optimistic today haha. :)
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At some point in the last thread, somebody posted a quote from Mike Mangini about the new album. Something about it being at least seven times better than anything else he had ever recorded. Was that a legitimate quote, or a joke? And if it was legitimate, could somebody link me?
I wanted to ask in the last thread, but it was moving faster than I could keep up with.
It was from his facebook, he commented on one of his own entries (in which he thanked everyone who voted him drummer of the year). I don't use facebook so I don't know if its possible to link directly to someones comment so I just took a screenshot for you. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/5Cn9sU7.png)
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To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow. They just said there would be some news.
Well, someone just said they said that. I'm not doubting it, but it's definitely nothing concrete. I didn't see the tweet and I do follow RR and DT on twitter.
That's cos it's an @-response. Enjoy! (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354271902002446336)
ETA: "DEFINITELY. (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354295535341015040)"
Who the hell would, at this stage, ask for more studio pics?? :lol :lol :lol
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That was me being sarcastic ! :lol
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I'm not super excited, I must confess, but maybe that's good, because it keeps my expectations in check. I'll still listen, but there's other stuff that I'm looking forward to WAY more than DT12.
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To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow. They just said there would be some news.
Well, someone just said they said that. I'm not doubting it, but it's definitely nothing concrete. I didn't see the tweet and I do follow RR and DT on twitter.
That's cos it's an @-response. Enjoy! (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354271902002446336)
ETA: "DEFINITELY. (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354295535341015040)"
Who the hell would, at this stage, ask for more studio pics?? :lol :lol :lol
I don't know about studio pics :lol but I'd be stoked for another in the studio video.
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Bosk I'm not a fan of the looong topic name. Please can you rename to "Dream Theater" Speculation and Discussion? :hefdaddy
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Really hope it's a consept album like SFAM and SDOIT, and that the opening tune is a overture that represent the mood and styles of the album. :metal
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Really quick, could we just sum up just a few of the great things that happened in the old thread?
I think it is very worth noting that we now have a little sneak preview of some keyboard part on the new album that was put together (by Fatal Tragedy right?) due to only this snapshot from the In Studio video #1
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.png)
You can hear it here:
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mid
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Really hope it's a consept album like SFAM and SDOIT, and that the opening tune is a overture that represent the mood and styles of the album. :metal
I think that's unlikely, given that the album is self-titled.
However, if DT were to ever have a "theme song" named after the band, I'd imagine it WOULD be instrumental.
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I hope there will be announcement (or at least announcemen of announcement ;) ). Can't wait to hear new album, to me everything looks like it's going to be a concept album.
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summing up the old thread?
I've been doing that for the past two hours :lol
A summary of notable* updates, somewhat chronologically:
-Jordan's video intie with Noisecreep: https://noisecreep.com/dream-theater-new-album/
-The first look upon the chocolate cake Mt. Boogie came on January 17th:
(https://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/ResultsMayVary10/MtBoogie_zps6e160a6e.jpg)
-We figured the new album will have the same drum kit, Harpejji, Continuum, Moog Taurus bass pedals, the new mighty JP13 with DiMarzio pickups, a 12-string acoustic guitar, this: https://www.studiologic-music.com/sledge.html, the Seaboard, mellotron(s?), A FUCKING ORCHESTRA arranged by Eren Başbuğ
- The album was engineered by Rich Chycki: https://twitter.com/chycki/status/287378658845417473
- A cool intie with John and Jordan (the "MM is an animal"-intie): https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-john-jordan-20130129/?cmpid=20130129/dream-theater/facebook/news-link/john-jordan&utm_source=roadrunner&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=dream-theater-john-jordan-01292013
- JLB was recording this and his solo record at the same time: https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/289784777979097089
- A series of Twitter Q&A's were released. Most important points: the album will have an instrumental, at least one set of lyrics penned by JMX
- JP's studio rig video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QQQZubv-lJw
- Over The Edge was filming them in the studio: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502313596493940&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&theater
- JP spoke with DTNorway: https://itunes.apple.com/no/podcast/dtnorway-echos-hill-podcast/id298946023?l=en&mt=2
- ArtisanNews'd JR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZKwtAXsdqo
- we figured out a part of the lyrics from a pic JP posted:
"(---)
every person is a story
begging to be told
hypnotized blameless
paralyzed life
(--) like a (---) to a flame
What if all that I believe
for a moment I lost (---)
(---)
empty (words?) fill up the spaces
(circled) carried upon our soul
cared to share
with every step I take
hesitate or falter
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an angel in disguise"
- A tour of JRland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-cTGbXf0w0&feature=youtu.be
Other things that happened in the thread:
Debbie told the story of the Loo Day: "Since Wey is who he is and works for who he works for, we had laminates for the shows we went to on the last ADTOE leg (San Antonio, Austin and Grand Prairie/Dallas). So the Austin show was awesome, Images and Words 20th anniversary, etc. After the show, we were backstage and all of the guys except James came out for after show. After everything wound down and we were on our way out of the backstage area, I noticed an open bathroom and (thankfully) asked the security guard if I could go in real quick - he said that it was for the band and not the general public and that's when I noticed Wey and his daughter laughing their asses off because it was James's loo!
So, you better believe Wey told James ALL about it before the Grand Prairie show - James playfully acted all pissy, and I was SO embarrassed while claiming "It was an honest mistake!" :jets: :jets: :jets:
The way it all played out was just too hilarious.
Edit: OH! Almost forgot - after the Grand Prairie show James made a funny comment about meeting in the bathroom (he called it "the washroom") before we left to go back to Austin. :jets: :jets: :jets: :jets: :jets:"
- MP made that one awesome update: " “@Bagas_Aji_: hi mike , are you still playing drum for dream theater ? Reply plese”
@MikePortnoy "Yes I am...And we're playing Indonesia all month long!!""
- Scorp and Blob killing it:
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/beartracks.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KC1RJAS.jpg)
- this became a thing:
:welcome:
I'll do the rest tomorrow... only reached page 90 of the old thread :lol
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I wanna share my speculations on the working titles tracklist. I had fun trying to predict the lenght of every song or associating the title to previous DT song.
regarding the lenght of time we'll see if I guessed some or I was completely wrong ;D:
1. Opening 4 mins
2. Reap the Harvest 6
3. Bad Larry 8
4. Vinegar Seed 9
5. Dolphin Safe 6
6. The Clover 7
7. Along for the Ride 11
8. Epic 17
9. Smoothen 5
10. Easter Egg 1 TOTAL TIME around 74 mins
if this album were made of previous DT song for me it would be like this:
Opening-Overture (SDOIT): I realy wanna hear great orchestrations in it, just like this magnificent song
Reap the Harvest-About to Crash: This title intrigues me. It makes me think of a really proggish Rush-related song, like Innocence Faded or Strange Deja Vu. I'm really looking forward to it
Bad Larry-Constant Motion: really powerful, with lots of badass riffs inspired by Metallica. I'd associate it with Rite of Passage, too.
Vinegar Seed-This is the life: well, I might be completely wrong, but I think this may be a ballad with some great epic moments, just like TITL or One last time.
Dolphin Safe-Through her eyes: really smooth, delicate, like saying you: relax and prepare yourself for the second amazing part of the album
The Clover-The Dance of Eternity: I'm really looking forward to it, and I hope it will be on the level of TDOE, my favourite DT instrumental
Along for the Ride-A Nightmare to Remember: I expect all the elements of a great DT song: great riffs, beautiful acoustic middle section, amazing instrumental part and an epic final.
Epic-The Count of Tuscany: if they've given this title it sure will be one of the best compositions they ever made. :metal
Smoothen-Beneath the Surface: like ADTOE, it seems that a ballad will close the album. I would like to hear something similar to BTS, with lots of acoustic guitars and mostly a Genesis vibe in it.
A compilation thus made would be around 77 mins long, containing some of the very best in DT discography, hoping that my expectations won't be disappointed :smiley:
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Hi guys, I'm glad to be here with you all!
I know that probably I'm dreaming, but...what if tomorrow we receive the album artwork, track listing and a single? :D
Afterall it's 9th of july, so it might be a possible hypothesis.
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Really hope it's a consept album like SFAM and SDOIT, and that the opening tune is a overture that represent the mood and styles of the album. :metal
I think that's unlikely, given that the album is self-titled.
However, if DT were to ever have a "theme song" named after the band, I'd imagine it WOULD be instrumental.
You mean like Ytse Jam? Maybe the instrumental this time will be Retaeht maerd?! :biggrin:
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The new album is self titled o_O? That's odd...
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Wow!! Thank you Mora!
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Eh, going through the thread was fun, I shiver about going through the spamfest tomorrow :D
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I feel honoured that you think so highly of my photoshop, Mili. :heart Come to think of it, that whole captioning of that passage was fucking epic.
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Partially as a public service announcement, partially so we can get on with the new thread...
https://evernote.com/webclipper/
Get an account, go through, and archive any page you want. Saves 'em with formatting, pictures, the lot. If you want, you could go through every single page, click "Clip to Evernote," and you'd have the whole thread saved in the cloud forever.
I saved the lyrics deciphering (three pages, 63-63), deciphering the midi (three pages, somewhere around 112ish?), and the Roadrunner bit (loads of pages, can't remember, easy to find anyway!). Keep it all, the context, the quotes, no worries. No need to clog up the new thread - and if we get nostalgic for these heady times three album cycles down the line, we'll have it all saved.
So! Announcement tomorrow!
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That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
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Partially as a public service announcement, partially so we can get on with the new thread...
https://evernote.com/webclipper/
Get an account, go through, and archive any page you want. Saves 'em with formatting, pictures, the lot. If you want, you could go through every single page, click "Clip to Evernote," and you'd have the whole thread saved in the cloud forever.
I saved the lyrics deciphering (three pages, 63-63), deciphering the midi (three pages, somewhere around 112ish?), and the Roadrunner bit (loads of pages, can't remember, easy to find anyway!). Keep it all, the context, the quotes, no worries. No need to clog up the new thread - and if we get nostalgic for these heady times three album cycles down the line, we'll have it all saved.
So! Announcement tomorrow!
Oh, thanks!
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Hahaha, I only point it out cos it was my first response to finding out it would one day be deleted, too. "It might not be in YOUR archive! Save the treasures!!" Understand the moderators' decision, cos there was a lot of crap in it, but the good bits were genuinely brilliant. And for better or for worse, it's a record of exactly how DTF was feeling as news of the 12th album was gradually revealed.
... I say, like it's history, and we already know everything about the new album. Things tomorrow!! It's going to be a loooong day at work.
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That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?
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Hahaha, I only point it out cos it was my first response to finding out it would one day be deleted, too. "It might not be in YOUR archive! Save the treasures!!" Understand the moderators' decision, cos there was a lot of crap in it, but the good bits were genuinely brilliant. And for better or for worse, it's a record of exactly how DTF was feeling as news of the 12th album was gradually revealed.
... I say, like it's history, and we already know everything about the new album. Things tomorrow!! It's going to be a loooong day at work.
Howdy Rob ... Quick chat ? :)
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That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?
Predictions! :P
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Hopefully if there is indeed an announcement tomorrow, it's while I'm not busy during the nighttime. :P Otherwise, I will forget about it until the next morning and be raped with a tracklist. :biggrin:
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That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?
Predictions! :P
When they say epic, I'm hoping for more along the lines of 8VM... 20+ mins
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I predict that my favorite song on the album will be Bad Larry.
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That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?
Predictions! :P
When they say epic, I'm hoping for more along the lines of 8VM... 20+ mins
Same here :metal
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That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?
Predictions! :P
When they say epic, I'm hoping for more along the lines of 8VM... 20+ mins
Me too. BAI was cool but it left me wanting more.
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That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?
Predictions! :P
When they say epic, I'm hoping for more along the lines of 8VM... 20+ mins
Agreed.
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I hope the song lengths are similar to IaW, but with LtL 20 minutes longer.
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They already rewrote that album though. :neverusethis:
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Hmmm... "Epic", then "Smoothen". Kind of sounds like we'll be seeing another Breaking All Illusions/Beneath the Surface type of set up. A longer epic style song followed by a shorter, more mellow album closer type of song.
I was kind of hoping they'd veer away from the 20+ minute type of songs for a while, but if this album is going to be a good showing of what Dream Theater is all about, as they say it will, then it sounds like there will probably be one song of that length and caliber on the album.
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Really quick, could we just sum up just a few of the great things that happened in the old thread?
I think it is very worth noting that we now have a little sneak preview of some keyboard part on the new album that was put together (by Fatal Tragedy right?) due to only this snapshot from the In Studio video #1
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.png)
You can hear it here:
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mid
Thank you for taking the time to repost the midi that took me hours to transcribe for the DT fans. I greatly appreciate the recognition. It's unfortunate that the other thread isn't going to be archived. On the bright side, I have yet another VERY special recreation of another thing that all the DT fans would never have expected to see!
Behold! My 100% accurate reproduction of JP's paper printout of the slice of chocolate cake!
(https://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/188/2/a/the_guitar_must_sound_like_this_______by_s1impikenz-d6cenny.png)
I've made sure everything is in the exact placement as it was in the video! I found the exact photo of cake on the web after a little searching on the internet. :tup
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They already rewrote that album though. :neverusethis:
Oh no, I'm not saying they should do that again.
I'm talking strictly song lengths, not content.
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If we get the track list tomorrow what are the odds we'll get song lengths along with it?
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cake pic
BEHOLD!! nice! :metal
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Hi everyone, first time posting here!
I am really hoping that tomorrow we'll hear something from DTXII, see the artwork and get to the see the tracklist...I don't know, but I am really hopeful.
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Hi everyone, first time posting here!
I am really hoping that tomorrow we'll hear something from DTXII, see the artwork and get to the see the tracklist...I don't know, but I am really hopeful.
Welcome voices! I doubt we'll hear anything, but track list and art is more likely.
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If we get the track list tomorrow what are the odds we'll get song lengths along with it?
We probably won't. They didn't release track lengths for ADTOE and I'm pretty sure they didn't for BC&SL too. I remember that the way I found out the lengths for ADTOE was looking at some preorder for it on Roadrunner's website. I think that was about a month after the track titles came out.
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Hi everyone, first time posting here!
I am really hoping that tomorrow we'll hear something from DTXII, see the artwork and get to the see the tracklist...I don't know, but I am really hopeful.
Welcome voices! I doubt we'll hear anything, but track list and art is more likely.
Thanks man! Well, I don't know, but I'm hopeful. It'll be amazing, but I'm happy with art and tracklist...tomorrow we'll see.
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Hi everyone, first time posting here!
I am really hoping that tomorrow we'll hear something from DTXII, see the artwork and get to the see the tracklist...I don't know, but I am really hopeful.
Welcome!
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When I think of what John Petrucci's guitar might sound like on the album I think of the beginning of About to Crash Reprise. I just really like that sound. To me it sounds full and rich like chocolate cake. Im trying to think of another DT song that uses that tone but It doesn't come to mind. I might be thinking of a JP solo song though.
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When I think of what John Petrucci's guitar might sound like on the album I think of the beginning of About to Crash Reprise. I just really like that sound. To me it sounds full and rich like chocolate cake. Im trying to think of another DT song that uses that tone but It doesn't come to mind. I might be thinking of a JP solo song though.
About to Crash Reprise is my favorite JP riff. If DT12 has anything remotely like that I will be :hefdaddy
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There's just nothing more magical than when that deep luscious guitar starts soloing in Lost Not Forgotten.
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When I think of what John Petrucci's guitar might sound like on the album I think of the beginning of About to Crash Reprise. I just really like that sound. To me it sounds full and rich like chocolate cake. Im trying to think of another DT song that uses that tone but It doesn't come to mind. I might be thinking of a JP solo song though.
I agree, that's exactly what I'm picturing. I absolutely love his tone in that intro; it's so classic rock-esque and makes me smile every time.
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Milena, cheers for the awesome summary.
Though, I still love you and all that, but I hate the word "intie". :lol
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When I think of what John Petrucci's guitar might sound like on the album I think of the beginning of About to Crash Reprise. I just really like that sound. To me it sounds full and rich like chocolate cake. Im trying to think of another DT song that uses that tone but It doesn't come to mind. I might be thinking of a JP solo song though.
I would agree, but I'm pretty sure it will be something close to a metaphysical experience.
I think it will sound like something no one could ever think about before because there was no similar sound in sound's history. The only comparison able to describe it is, well... Chocolate cake. Something related to taste, texture and appearance. It will be a pure translation of senses. From those mentioned to hearing. The experience of listening to it will be equal to how it sounds: impossible to be described.
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Also the crunchy riff of PMU has awesome sound. Kinda Rammstein-ish :D
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Cmon, it's already tomorrow. Where is the announcement :D
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Can't wait to see the track lengths. I have a feeling we might get an "epic", like Octavarium or ACOS.
Also, i'm very interested in the artwork, hopefully it won't have anything to do with the purple majesty logo, i thought this was very cheesy and 90's feeling like they just found how to use computer graphics.
A single release with the announcement would be incredible, mostly just to get an idea of what the album will sound like, especially Mike's drums.
Very excited :metal
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The waiting begins (continues)!
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Major props to Milena for the awesome summary with info drawn especially from INTIES (:p), and here's my two cents: Epic is going to be 13~14 minute long, and smoothen around 4.
The easter egg of course won't be credited in the tracklist.
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Can't wait to see the track lengths. I have a feeling we might get an "epic", like Octavarium or ACOS.
I predict something a bit shorter than ACOS/8V, but longer than the "epics" of ADTOE, and still noticeably longer than anything else on the album to warrant the title of the epic. I'll guess around 16 minutes. I'd love to see more songs like TTT, where they cram a lot of sections and changes into a shorter space, and progress linearly.
While it's a somewhat trivial detail, it would be nice to get track lengths, although I don't believe those are typically announced. I also don't expect a single, although I'd like to be wrong. I'm going to guess they'll announce the date of the single though, and I don't expect it will be far off either way.
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Also, i don't know if anyone listened to the roadrunner podcast, but they talked a bit about the album, they said that they would be releasing some music "fairly soon" (yeah i know), and that there are songs less than five minutes in length so be prepared for that.
You can actually hear this podcast here https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705 (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705)
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To be fair if there is songs less than 5 minutes AND an epic, then its all the more better IMO. Diversity = good. :tup
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Also, i don't know if anyone listened to the roadrunner podcast, but they talked a bit about the album, they said that they would be releasing some music "fairly soon" (yeah i know), and that there are songs less than five minutes in length so be prepared for that.
You can actually hear this podcast here https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705 (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705)
Unless I heard incorrectly, he also said that there was a 20 minute song. :metal :metal :metal
So, if the Roadrunner people are already familiar with track lengths, then perhaps they'll be announced with the tracklist?
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Can somebody post an indicative timestap for the DT discussion? Unfortunately I don't have time to listen to it all :blush
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Can somebody post an indicative timestap for the DT discussion? Unfortunately I don't have time to listen to it all :blush
It starts about 1 minute in.
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"They are like concise songs. But, at the same time, they are the best songs they have ever written, and Dream Theater fans are going to lose their mind"
And he said: "over 20 minutes song"
So, :omg:
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For some reason, it's only now that I think I've truly become very excited for the album. I was a bit excited before, but I think it's starting to kick in now.
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What these guys said partially dispel this fear, but I really hope that the presence of a 20+ epic didn't suck all the energy of the songwriting away from the rest of the album, which is what in my opinion happened with Octavarium and is the reason I'm always wary of huge epics in an album context.
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Yeah sorry for not mentioning the "over 20 minutes" but for some reason i thought it was a figure of speech, like people who don't listen to DT say "ok this song is half an hour", but i guess there is truth in this statement.
They said that these are the best songs that DT have ever written, but i think this is just PR to get people excited.
Having the album be self-titled though must say something about the quality of the music, i'm sure DT feel very confident about this album.
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If I remember correctly, they also said Systematic Chaos would be the perfect representation of the DT sound.
But yes, 20+ minute epic sounds awesome, if the album turns out to be kind of like 8VM then :caffeine:
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What these guys said partially dispel this fear, but I really hope that the presence of a 20+ epic didn't suck all the energy of the songwriting away from the rest of the album, which is what in my opinion happened with Octavarium and is the reason I'm always wary of huge epics in an album context.
Fully agree !
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Over 20 minutes? Well dayum, my interest level just rose. That hopefully means they're not playing it too safe on this album. You never know what to expect with DT's epics. It also likely means the rest of the songs won't be crazy long, which I also like.
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I predict something a bit shorter than ACOS/8V, but longer than the "epics" of ADTOE, and still noticeably longer than anything else on the album to warrant the title of the epic.
I don't think there were any epics on ADTOE.
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It was said in the podcast that new DT songs are more concise with the exception of the over 20 minute epic. Nice !!!!!
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I predict something a bit shorter than ACOS/8V, but longer than the "epics" of ADTOE, and still noticeably longer than anything else on the album to warrant the title of the epic.
I don't think there were any epics on ADTOE.
I agree (hence the quotation marks on that), it just seemed like the most brief way to refer to the 4 longer songs of ADTOE. Don't be bustin' mah chops!
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I hope that having shorter songs doesn't mean we get a big epic and a load of commercial tracks ala BMUBMD. 1 of those is enough for the album.
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This is probably a controversial opinion, but ACOS is the only 20+ minute DT song I love, so I hope the new epic won't be a disappointment.
Also, thanks for the summary, Milena! :tup I was hoping someone would compile the best bits of the previous thread :) I'm glad not everyone is as lazy as me :lol
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ACOS is the only 20+ minute DT song I love
Same here. I hope that can change with the new album.
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Hey guys! I'm new here .. But Im in love with DT from my six years! :metal
I can´t wait for today announcement! I hope for tracklist and cover !
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Hey guys! I'm new here .. But Im in love with DT from my six years! :metal
I can´t wait for today announcement! I hope for tracklist and cover !
Welcome to the forum, i hope you enjoy your time here :metal :metal
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I hope that having shorter songs doesn't mean we get a big epic and a load of commercial tracks ala BMUBMD. 1 of those is enough for the album.
Agreed. I'm expecting there to be probably 2 commercial sounding tracks, but, like you, I hope some of them are more interesting. DT have proved that they can write good short songs (Silent Man, Hell's Kitchen, etc) so hopefully they deliver on this album.
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Hey guys! I'm new here .. But Im in love with DT from my six years! :metal
I can´t wait for today announcement! I hope for tracklist and cover !
Welcome to the forum, i hope you enjoy your time here :metal :metal
Thanks ! I spectate this forum for so long time but i decide to register now.. new album will be epic. I feel it in my bones :D
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Over 20 minutes? Well dayum, my interest level just rose. That hopefully means they're not playing it too safe on this album. You never know what to expect with DT's epics. It also likely means the rest of the songs won't be crazy long, which I also like.
An album with lengths akin to Octavarium would be great.
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Okay, I'd love to hear that 20 minute track! :caffeine:
And today there's an announcement, if I understand correctly.
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This is probably a controversial opinion, but ACOS is the only 20+ minute DT song I love, so I hope the new epic won't be a disappointment.
Also, thanks for the summary, Milena! :tup I was hoping someone would compile the best bits of the previous thread :) I'm glad not everyone is as lazy as me :lol
:lol I love Octavarium so much - I dunno how anyone can not like it
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The waiting begins (continues)!
SOON !
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:lol I love Octavarium so much - I dunno how anyone can not like it
Overlong intros, nonsensical lyrics and aimless instrumental sections aren't my thing :P (sorry to Octavarium lovers - I don't hate the song, but I just don't get the hype)
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Meh I just always have. I didn't like A Change Of Seasons when i heard it. Maybe I should give it another go.
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:lol I love Octavarium so much - I dunno how anyone can not like it
Overlong intros, nonsensical lyrics and aimless instrumental sections aren't my thing :P (sorry to Octavarium lovers - I don't hate the song, but I just don't get the hype)
With all my respect but this is like a dedicated christian saying that the bible is not his thing !
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Quite ! How can you be a fan of DT and not like Long songs and instrumental sections ? :police:
Besides - there's way more aimless instrumental stuff on later albums.
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So news time is going to be the same as usual: 5pm here in Italy, so i guess 11am in NY.
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:lol I love Octavarium so much - I dunno how anyone can not like it
Overlong intros, nonsensical lyrics and aimless instrumental sections aren't my thing :P (sorry to Octavarium lovers - I don't hate the song, but I just don't get the hype)
With all my respect but this is like a dedicated christian saying that the bible is not his thing !
Not every DT song has 4 minutes of Continuum noodling, lyrics like "seven seize the day tripper" and an instrumental section with the Jingle Bells melody and other random stuff ;) I never said I don't like long songs - ACOS is a top 3 song for me. That said, they have to be very well constructed and the longer the song is, the bigger the risk of it lacking cohesion is.
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It'll probably be a couple more hours and I'll be away from home then, only to see the immense amount of posts when I get back. Please post something within the next hour and I can do stuff without feeling left out :biggrin:
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Now what if "over 20 minutes" actually means 80 minutes and we get a one album song like The Whirlwind?
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So news time is going to be the same as usual: 5pm here in Italy, so i guess 11am in NY.
Any source for this?
And if so, that's like 2 hours from now?
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Now what if "over 20 minutes" actually means 80 minutes and we get a one album song like The Whirlwind?
We've deducted from the in studio videos that the album will have 9 songs (and extras), one of which was actually labelled "Epic".
Also, if it was an 80 minute song, I doubt he'd say it's "over 20 minutes" despite that being technically true. You'd just say it has a really long song on it or something like that.
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Now what if "over 20 minutes" actually means 80 minutes and we get a one album song like The Whirlwind?
We already know there are +/- 9 tracks.
So news time is going to be the same as usual: 5pm here in Italy, so i guess 11am in NY.
Any source for this?
And if so, that's like 2 hours from now?
I'll stay up til early Wednesday morning for this in the UK. I'm not expecting it much sooner than that :P
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So news time is going to be the same as usual: 5pm here in Italy, so i guess 11am in NY.
Any source for this?
And if so, that's like 2 hours from now?
RR italy, and a Tweet from RR Canada.
Also, was DT.net outfit changed immediatly after OTBOA (in that occasion we saw for the first time the new artwork) came out?
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I'm very skeptical, then. The last time we had the promise of news posted on a non-US RR twitter, it turned out to be complete bullshit.
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I'm very skeptical, then. The last time we had the promise of news posted on a non-US RR twitter, it turned out to be complete bullshit.
RRusa confirmed the day, RRcanada only the time.
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Too many convergent hints. There's no doubt we are getting an announcement this time, and seeing how many national RR divisions are seemingly involeved and ready for it it looks like it won't be a minor one.
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OK bring it on then.
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Good call wasteland, here's me hoping for basically everything, except the music itself.
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It could be "in studio Pt2".
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It could be "in studio Pt2".
The Spirit Carries On Pt 2: John And The Chocolate Cake
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:lol
It could be "in studio Pt2".
The Spirit Carries On Pt 2: John And The Chocolate Cake
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It could be, true (and I wouldn't dislike it at all to happen), but I think artwork+tracklisting makes more sense. The album has just been completed and it's too early for a single.
Think of this: from here to the release date there are almost three months. We were given the album title and seminal press release one month ago, we get art and tracks now, single in one month and samples through September. It's a pre-release schedule that would make sense.
Which doesn't mean that one or more "In Studio" videos won't roll together with some or all of said pre-release landmarks.
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We're getting Studio pt II plus tracklist + artwork. Called it.
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We're getting Studio pt II plus tracklist + artwork. Called it.
I'll go one further. Snippets of the new album on the Pt2 vid
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Nah, we're getting a youtube video of John Petrucci describing the different exclusive items in the Dream Theater Deluxe Box Set while Jordan is using MorphWiz to mess with him.
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That sounds eerily familiar.
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ADTOE was released on the 13th of september 2011 meanwhile DT12 is being released the 24th of september 2013. There are eleven days and two years between those two dates, just as there are eleven days and 2 years between the 28th of June 2011, the date when On The Backs of Angels was released and today.
I'm calling it, there's a single being released today!
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The last time they needed the single release for the summer tour...
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The last time they needed the single release for the summer tour...
Well that doesn't make the dates less valid does it?
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4-5 minute songs AND a 20+ min song? that just raised my excitement level beyond anything it was last time around!
I'll stay up til early Wednesday morning for this in the UK. I'm not expecting it much sooner than that :P
I'm with you brother! (Melbourne Australia).
I think i'll give it until 6 am before going to bed. Too bad it wont be Dec 25 :millahhhh
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Oh by the way, about those Deluxe boxes; remember how late they arrived last time? While a digital download the day before the street date was a good way to deal with the delays I'd prefer it if they were shipped along with the regular versions of the album this time.
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Oh by the way, about those Deluxe boxes; remember how late they arrived last time? While a digital download the day before the street date was a good way to deal with the delays I'd prefer it if they were shipped along with the regular versions of the album this time.
Was the vynal of the album available on its own last time round? Like as one of the first packages you could pre-order?
For that matter do modern DT albums sound good on vynal? Totally want to listen to this for the first time on vynal :biggrin:
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So in two hours from now, right? Or one?
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One, I think.
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So in two hours from now, right? Or one?
One. 5PM in a Tuesday Morning!
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The last time they needed the single release for the summer tour...
Well that doesn't make the dates less valid does it?
Yes. They aren't touring this summer, so no reason for such an early release of a single.
Not that they definitely won't release one now, there just isn't the same need to do so.
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The last time they needed the single release for the summer tour...
Well that doesn't make the dates less valid does it?
Yes. They aren't touring this summer, so no reason for such an early release of a single.
Not that they definitely won't release one now, there just isn't the same need to do so.
I meant the weird connection between the dates, not the actual connection between the dates and the events surrounding them.
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In the past haven't they actually specifically announced a date for the single release beforehand? Doesn't seem like the kind of thing to just spring onto people out of the blue.
I'm only expecting a tracklist, and album cover, and maybe another studio vid.
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Was the vynal of the album available on its own last time round? Like as one of the first packages you could pre-order?
For that matter do modern DT albums sound good on vynal? Totally want to listen to this for the first time on vynal :biggrin:
As I ordered the Deluxe box which contained the album on vinyl I didn't pay that much attention to whether or not it was available on vinyl from the very beginning but I think that it was. And yes, they sound quite good. :)
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I prefer them to release the video only, love the CSI work. Maybe hide the artwork and some more midi screenshots.
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A new DT single would brighten my day :biggrin:
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I don't know if I really want a single to be honest. The more "previously unheard" material I have to dig into at the actual release the better. It's not like I wouldn't listen to a single should one be released though as I am very interested in knowing how the finished product sounds. A snipped would probably do though.
Edit: Oh and I know that I could always just decide not to listen to the single, the problem is that I know that I'm too weak. :laugh:
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Hi guys, as you can see it is my first post, but I have been reading the DT forum for months since I moved to UK (I'm Italian). It is also a good exercise for me to practice my English ;D... anyway I will introduce myself in the appropriate section.
I have two considerations related to this thread:
- when we received the artwork for ADTOE, if I am not wrong, we have seen the DT's official website changing a little bit some days before the official release of the artwork. But now there is no sign of it. It seems a little bit weird to me that they could release the new artwork keeping the old one in DT's website.
- I have this feeling that the instrumental song could be titled "dream theater" (a self-titled song in a self-titled album!) what do you think? Would it be possible?
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I also prefer not to have a single prior to the album release. I wouldn't mind a sampler of 20 or 30 second snippets from each track though :hat
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- I have this feeling that the instrumental song could be titled "dream theater" (a self-titled song in a self-titled album!) what do you think? Would it be possible?
I would love that. Music players everywhere would display "Dream Theater - Dream Theater - Dream Theater".
Also, welcome to the forum!
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Hi guys, as you can see it is my first post, but I have been reading the DT forum for months since I moved to UK (I'm Italian). It is also a good exercise for me to practice my English ;D... anyway I will introduce myself in the appropriate section.
I have two considerations related to this thread:
- when we received the artwork for ADTOE, if I am not wrong, we have seen the DT's official website changing a little bit some days before the official release of the artwork. But now there is no sign of it. It seems a little bit weird to me that they could release the new artwork keeping the old one in DT's website.
- I have this feeling that the instrumental song could be titled "dream theater" (a self-titled song in a self-titled album!) what do you think? Would it be possible?
Hi and welcome to the madness! About the official website changing, I think that was given a complete overhaul due to the fact that ADToE was more or less like the first page of a new chapter - a new beginning. However, the layout is definitely closely tied to the ADTOE artwork so perhaps we will see some changes there as well. Not saying I'm not fond of the guy on the unicycle but I wouldn't mind a different look that goes with the new album I guess.
I certainly wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of the instrumental track being titled "Dream Theater" but I personally don't think so. I think the reason they went with this album title was that they felt that this album defines them as a band, incorporating their various styles and everything that they stand for musically. I don't think that they would also do so with a specific song on the album and especially not with a song that only features 4 out of 5 members. :)
Then again, you never know what'll happen.
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Would be cool if the album was a concept album in style of The Who's - Quadrafonia. Thematically.
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If anything, I'd think the opening track should be called Dream Theater, since it may act as an introduction to the album, although I see no reason why an instrumental would/should be self titled just because the album is.
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I think the reason they went with this album title was that they felt that this album defines them as a band, incorporating their various styles and everything that they stand for musically. I don't think that they would also do so with a specific song on the album and especially not with a song that only features 4 out of 5 members.
good point, I didn't think about that :smiley:
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942351_10151476147082181_1618737237_n.jpg)
New pic on the FB page.
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Interesting look...
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They all look really uncomfortable in that pic.
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Here it comes...
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From DT's fb account:
The track listing for Dream Theater is as follows:
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE
i. Sleep Paralysis
ii. Night Terrors
iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE
3. THE LOOKING GLASS
4. ENIGMA MACHINE
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY
i. Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire
ii. Live, Die, Kill
iii. The Embracing Circle
iv. The Pursuit of Truth
v. Surrender, Trust & Passion
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Interesting song titles for the new album. Cool to see a suite as the first track
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Dream Theater’s self-titled album – the band’s 12th studio release overall, and fourth with Roadrunner Records – will be released September 24, and now you can check out the cover art and see the track listing below!
Says guitarist John Petrucci about Dream Theater, “I see every new album as an opportunity to start over. To either build or improve upon a direction that has been evolving over time or to completely break new ground. This is the first self-titled album of our career and there is nothing I can think of that makes a statement of musical and creative identity stronger than that. We’ve fully explored all of the elements that make us unique, from the epic and intense to the atmospheric and cinematic. We’re incredibly excited about Dream Theater and can’t wait for everyone to hear it.”
The nine-track disc was recorded at Cove City Studio in Glen Cove, Long Island, with guitarist Petrucci producing and Richard Chycki engineering and mixing. It’s the band’s second album with drummer Mike Mangini, and the first one on which he was a part of the writing process from Day One.
In January, Petrucci said of Mangini’s work, “When people hear the drumming on this album, they’re gonna be pretty freaked out. On the last album, he did a great job, but he wasn’t there for the writing process and he was interpreting drum parts that I had programmed. Even though he used his creativity, of course, to change them up and do his thing, I feel like now he’s just Mike Mangini unleashed. It’s all him. It’s all his creativity, all his decisions and ideas and man, the guy’s an animal.”
The track listing for Dream Theater is as follows:
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE
i. Sleep Paralysis
ii. Night Terrors
iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE
3. THE LOOKING GLASS
4. ENIGMA MACHINE
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY
i. Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire
ii. Live, Die, Kill
iii. The Embracing Circle
iv. The Pursuit of Truth
v. Surrender, Trust & Passion
Dream Theater will be available in a wide range of distinctive versions, including standard and special edition CDs, 180 gram double LP, and a limited edition boxed set. Pre-orders are scheduled to launch in July at the Roadrunner Records Webstore.
Dream Theater will be on tour in Europe in January and February 2014, and in North America in March 2014.
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Awesome cover IMO!
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Holy Fuck
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/971858_10151476148432181_1188161603_n.jpg)
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Very interesting.
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YES :metal
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Song titles seem... I dunno. Not very DT-ish?
Also, no band title on the cover! ;D
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Looks like the closing song will be the 20+ epic.
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Awesome. :hat
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Has to be a concept album.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOONERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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I actually like this artwork.
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Wow!
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IS THAT THE ARTWORK?
I love that
And the tracklisting
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Please tell me that wonky picture is not the album cover. It looks like fan art, and that Majesty logo is so off shape.
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Only the logo on the album cover.
Amazing :hefdaddy
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And these titles sound VERY proggy. I like them a lot at first glance.
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This does look like a conceptual album to me!
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So, which one do you think's the instrumental?
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My body is ready :metal
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Yes, please! :omg:
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I just came here to post this. Dammit you guys are fast.
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Both the titles and the art suggests that we're in for some dark stuff.
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Interesting track titles!
LOVE the album artwork.
I do not dig JPs jacket. There I said it.
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Please tell me that wonky picture is not the album cover. It looks like fan art, and that Majesty logo is so off shape.
.... I like it.
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Holy shit o_o
HOLY SHIT :metal
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So, which one do you think's the instrumental?
I guess "Along for the Ride". Also JP looks old in that pic and MM's hair looks kinda weird.
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Love the cover art already, and the titles look freaking amazing!
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Tracks 3, 4, or 5 will likely be the Instrumental
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So, which one do you think's the instrumental?
My guess would be Enigma Machine. Only a guess though.
Got to admit, I'm not mad keen on any of it. Artwork or track titles. Not that you can tell much from them and I don't really know what I was expecting. None of it really appeals to me at all, though.
Songs will probably be good, mind.
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Extremely psyched!
The track titles...the album artwork...Damn! :metal
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I see they went for the ´Eagles´ look, though...
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Enigma Machine sounds like an instrumental to me.
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Please tell me that wonky picture is not the album cover. It looks like fan art, and that Majesty logo is so off shape.
.... I like it.
I like the idea, but that Majesty logo is just so wonky.
And I think it's silly to have a self titled album that doesn't even have the band name on it. If you're naming your album after your band, at least put the name of the band on the cover. A self titled defining album without your signature writing or even the correct logo on the front? Bleh.
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Yeah, I would prefer it to have the band name.
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I love everything about it! :metal
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My body is ready :metal
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I just came here to post this. Dammit you guys are fast.
We are extremely (perhaps unhealthily) obsessed.
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Both the titles and the art suggests that we're in for some dark stuff.
I agree. Put this cover next to the ADTOE and it looks like it could be heavy. Heavy heavy (which I was hoping they were straying away from)
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'Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire'. Seriously DT?
Also dislike the album cover, but hey.
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And the anticipation goes through the roof. Interesting that the opening and closing numbers have multiple parts. I think that Enigma Machine definitely sounds like an instrumental name. Also, didn't we already know that "The Enemy Inside" was coming? I think some lyrics were on one of those papers in the studio video.
Now I just want Summer to be over with already :P
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Enigma Machine sounds really good for an instrumental song!
Just wait and see, but I bet that it will be the instrumental song on this album.
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Both the titles and the art suggests that we're in for some dark stuff.
I agree. Put this cover next to the ADTOE and it looks like it could be heavy. Heavy heavy (which I was hoping they were straying away from)
See, I think these names actually sound more prog than heavy metal.
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Yeah I have very good feelings about this so far. I predict Enigma Machine as the instrumental. Or Along for the Ride
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I don't really like the cover.
Multi-part epics, nice!
The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush.
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OMG OMG OMG
:panicattack:
I CAN'T WAIT!!!!
OH AND THANKS RANDY FOR THE FACTS :hat
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I don't really like the cover.
Multi-part epics, nice!
The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush.
The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Within by Star Trek TOS.
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?
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I'm thinking "Along for the Ride" might be instrumental.
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The Enemy Inside will be the single. Just my prediction
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?
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That might be the most fascinating group of track titles I've seen from our beloved band. I'd love some "In the Presence of Enemies" type darkness throughout. I was intrigued before today, I'm doubly intrigued now.
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I pretty much like all of it :metal
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Looks like they went with another artist this time for the cover, that doesn't look like Mr Syme's work.
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Oh, look, a second thread! Let's post here too :)
Tracklisting seems good, though I'm not too fond of the titles for the 'Illumination Theory' movements. Album art is pretty weak, as far as I'm concerned. I'll buy it nevertheless.
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Oh and, might this be the follow up to SFaM? False Awakening? Maybe Nicholas didn't actually wake up from his hypnotherapy? THE NUGGETZ OH LAWDY LAWD
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Yes, titles look so proggy and dark :metal
I'm so hyped now, my only fear is that last song is too long just for the sake of being epic.
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Some of the titles give me a punk rock vibe.
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Track titles are pretty good i think, hopefully the lyrics are good as well. I have a feeling that Illumination Theory will have lyrics from JM and JP.
I don't really like the glowing Majesty logo but i think it is a decent cover, miles better than ADTOE.
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All of this is awesome, although I wish the album cover had the band's name on it. It will kind of stick out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of their discography.
I love the track titles, and the fact that it looks like we are getting a nice, long epic song again.
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The titles are very prog metal and actually remind me of some fake track titles people came up with here! To be honest I'm not crazy about them, but I thought the same about the ADTOE titles and it became a top 3 album for me, so I'll shut up :lol However, I like the cover - it's cool that it's more minimalistic and there's no band name. I'm 100% sure there will be a sticker on the CD, though.
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Need.....this.....now..... :metal
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'Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire'. Seriously DT?
Very Symphony X. I like it.
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New desk top background deployed...
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?
It does kind of look like it, but I've got the hi-res file here and it just appears to be the style they used to emboss it.. Although it could be something :biggrin:
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Interesting.
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I can't wait! The cover is cool, (it may grow on me), the track titles though are awesome!
I am sure it's going to be a great album! I am excited!
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Is it me or are these some of DT's more pretentious-sounding track titles? Not that I'm complaining, I'm a prog metal fan, I love pretentious.
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Nice cover and 2 epic? :omg: Instaboner!!!
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?
It does kind of look like it, but I've got the hi-res file here and it just appears to be the style they used to emboss it.. Although it could be something :biggrin:
Aha. Shame it isnt though, since this is THEIR album.
Anyway I think the idea is that the logo will be 3D embossed on the jacket.
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That cover art looks soo much better than the low res logo with the purple background.
[Meatrose's Seal of Approval] :tup
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Probably my least fav DT cover apart from the very first album. Sept 24th cant come fast enough.
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dat cover... called it XD
and yep those track names holy fucking shit... I'm not going to be able to NOT listen to any samples or singles now D':
I'll give it a shot...
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'Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire'. Seriously DT?
Very Symphony X. I like it.
And The Looking Glass. Some Symphony X sounding titles.
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First impression: I like the idea of that artwork, but the Earth in the background just looks...off. A bit too blurry for one thing. No Definition. However - probably the best thing Syme has done in quite a few years for them.
Second impression: These tracks titles seem unusual for DT. Not a bad thing. Kind of ironic since this album is called "Dream Theater" and is supposed to consist of everything the band is about, though. :lol And there's nothing silly here like The Count of Tuscany or The Shaman's Trance at least.
So...yeah. Now I want the single. :-[
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Yes, the logo is...different (i'm reluctant to say wrong when it's official), but I think this looks amazing. I am so pumped for this.
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Woah.
I have no idea what to think.
But, I will say, I definitely think I'm getting my "serious business" wish from the Captain JLB thread :biggrin:
Now I'm kinda wondering, is that a good thing?
Either way, I'm pumped :metal
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So do we think 'Sleep Paralysis' could be the intro track that we saw written down in the studio video?
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DT12 = DTs Dark Side of the Moon
Multiple part epics are awesome. Probably gonna have good use of the orchestra.
As Virgil Donati said: the excitement...is...building!
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Cover seems to show Dream Theater taking over the world. I hope its a good sign
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So do we think 'Sleep Paralysis' could be the intro track that we saw written down in the studio video?
Could be, a sort of Overture type track.
I hope this is their darkest since Awake. :metal
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That picture sure is taken from The Dark Side Of The Earth.
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Woah.
I have no idea what to think.
But, I will say, I definitely think I'm getting my "serious business" wish from the Captain JLB thread :biggrin:
Now I'm kinda wondering, is that a good thing?
Either way, I'm pumped :metal
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What are the reflections in the metal logo?
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Shi* just got real
Can't wait for this :metal
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Is it me or are these some of DT's more pretentious-sounding track titles? Not that I'm complaining, I'm a prog metal fan, I love pretentious.
Yes, and it's great ;)
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What are the reflections in the metal logo?
I thought it could be the Brooklyn Bridge.
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I hope the lyrics for the False Awakening Suite haven't been written in the Wikipedia style of Panic Attack and AROP...
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These are probably the "proggiest" titles DT has ever had.
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'Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire'. Seriously DT?
Also dislike the album cover, but hey.
'Paradox of Black Light'
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What are the reflections in the metal logo?
I thought it could be the Brooklyn Bridge.
Good call, some portion of NYC skyline?
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I hope this is their darkest since Awake. :metal
Well if ADTOE was IaW, and judging by all the sleep references, you may get your wish! :neverusethis:
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Interesting artwork.
Does that make this the Black Album?
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I hope this is their darkest since Awake. :metal
Well if ADTOE was IaW, and judging by all the sleep references, you may get your wish! :neverusethis:
Whoa! :omg:
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?
It does kind of look like it, but I've got the hi-res file here and it just appears to be the style they used to emboss it.. Although it could be something :biggrin:
Can we get a copy of the hi-res version?
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I hope this is their darkest since Awake. :metal
Well if ADTOE was IaW, and judging by all the sleep references, you may get your wish! :neverusethis:
Well if that's the case...Calling it now, False Awakening Suite is A Mind Beside Itself Part 2. :P
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I dont know NYC geography that well, but if the reflection is the Brooklyn Bridge, symbolic that the bridge takes DT to the world ?
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'Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire'. Seriously DT?
Also dislike the album cover, but hey.
'Paradox of Black Light'
Thanks, I know French too. I just don't get why the hell they would do this. Same thing with Pain of Salvation randomly singing in French on 'The Physics of Gridlock' from their Road Salt Two album. It just seems very pretentious and ..odd/off for some reason.
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I'm sure I used some of those titles in one of my fake track lists. I need to go and check. ;D
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'Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire'. Seriously DT?
Also dislike the album cover, but hey.
'Paradox of Black Light'
Thanks, I know French too. I just don't get why the hell they would do this. Same thing with Pain of Salvation randomly singing in French on 'The Physics of Gridlock' from their Road Salt Two album. It just seems very pretentious and ..odd/off for some reason.
I sincerely doubt JLB will be singing in French :lol
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Well, if they stayed on the safe side with ADTOE, it looks like now they are going with something different, at least in terms of song titles and, probably, lyrics. It really looks like a concept album. Now I'm so curious to see if the music is also a step in a new direction and if there will be recurring themes as in Awake of SFAM.
I also wonder if these titles were a deliberate choice to write about a specific subject of if it was the music they had written that kinda brought them to this choice.
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These are probably the "proggiest" titles DT has ever had.
Just thought the same! The titles don't sound like dark athmosphere, like the cover does.
Now I can say I'm excited!!!!!!!!
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?
It does kind of look like it, but I've got the hi-res file here and it just appears to be the style they used to emboss it.. Although it could be something :biggrin:
Can we get a copy of the hi-res version?
THIS PLZ MASTER
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Waiting for stevetheater's take on that art...
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5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
Sounds like 80's Rush :biggrin:
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5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
Sounds like 80's Rush :biggrin:
Had the exact same thought!
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'Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire'. Seriously DT?
Also dislike the album cover, but hey.
'Paradox of Black Light'
Thanks, I know French too. I just don't get why the hell they would do this. Same thing with Pain of Salvation randomly singing in French on 'The Physics of Gridlock' from their Road Salt Two album. It just seems very pretentious and ..odd/off for some reason.
I sincerely doubt JLB will be singing in French :lol
A TOUT LE MONDE
LABRIE IS A CHEESE
ETC ETC
I'm imagining an instrumental opening or something. I am not imagining French anywhere. :lol
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Eh, not sure about that cover art. The tracklist looks like something you'd see in the fake tracklist thread.
Interesting indeed.
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The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush.
The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Inside
(https://www.blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/Prymary_enemy.jpg)
Boom.
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YES! Can't wait! Amazing cover art, and 2 epics? FUCK YEAH!
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I actually really like the DT logo look. Something about the way it "reflects" makes it look really legit. It doesn't look wonky at all to me.
Simple yet slick as all hell.
Now that my hype as subsided a little, I am regaining confidence in my ability to not listen to any of it until its release and really bask in its glory and make it the best DT listening ever!
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Eh, not sure about that cover art. The tracklist looks like something you'd see in the fake tracklist thread.
Interesting indeed.
Well, keep in mind that new DT artwork/tracklisting always leads to moments of disbelief followed by tons of speculation that always turns out to be wrong.
Remember when people thought ToT was going to be a really religious album? :D
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The Majesty Symbol is bugging me so bad. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
If it is the right symbol then the cover will be good for me
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Holy Fuck
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/971858_10151476148432181_1188161603_n.jpg)
That's absolutely gorgeous artwork. :omg: :hefdaddy :metal
I kinda get the dark vibe that a lot of other people here are mentioning, but my personal gut reaction is insane prog overload. I'm getting the distinct feeling that Dream Theater is aiming to make their personal equivalent of The Dark Side of the Moon with this album.
I'm excited as hell for this. :metal :tup
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sub names of tracks...great ... love it
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New desk top background deployed...
Yeah, I gotta do this as well. :biggrin:
Everything looks awesome, I'm extremely excited. :metal
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It doesn't say who did the cover art... Does this look like Hugh Sime?
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A few thoughts:
1. The artwork - does that make this the Black Album?
2. The first track is a 3-part suite? Seems unlikely that would be what we previously knew as "Opening". But then there are still 9 tracks... did Easter Egg become a song, did something else get split up...?
3. Why on earth does anyone think the titles imply that it's a concept album? I mean, I'm not saying it's definitely not, but the titles mostly have nothing to do with each other.
4. At least from this, it definitely seems as though they are playing it less safe this time around, which is very exciting. Of course, whether that's the case with the music itself remains to be seen.
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I have the most massive prog boner right now.
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Just going by what I see here. This album seems to have more purpose to it than the previous three albums. I'm getting a back to Octavarium, 6 degrees vibe from it. Maybe even some SFAM.
I hope this album has great flow which I feel has been missing on their albums since Octavarium.
I think this is the best cover art they have had in a long time. Did they get a new artist? The design is really good.
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I think it could end up being a thematic album (which IS different from a concept album), which is what I was hoping for.
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New desk top background deployed...
Yeah, I gotta do this as well. :biggrin:
Everything looks awesome, I'm extremely excited. :metal
I'd like to use it as a desktop wallpaper, but the provided image is just too small. Looks like garbage stretched up to fit my screen's resolution. :-\
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I think it could end up being a thematic album (which IS different from a concept album), which is what I was hoping for.
Agreed.
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Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.
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And add the band name (with the correct font).
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Cover art and tracklisting are freaking great but...I was expecting a single. I need to listen to some minutes of what's about to come. I'm disappointed.
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That too. DT's font in chrome would look pretty badass.
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Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.
How is that not the correct logo? It's the majesty logo embossed. I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.
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Illumination Theory = JMX lyrics :corn
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I just came here to post this. Dammit you guys are fast.
You'd basically have to post it here before it's posted anywhere else. :angel:
Thanks anyways, it was thoughtful of you to come here to post this. :tup
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A few thoughts:
1. The artwork - does that make this the Black Album?
2. The first track is a 3-part suite? Seems unlikely that would be what we previously knew as "Opening". But then there are still 9 tracks... did Easter Egg become a song, did something else get split up...?
3. Why on earth does anyone think the titles imply that it's a concept album? I mean, I'm not saying it's definitely not, but the titles mostly have nothing to do with each other.
4. At least from this, it definitely seems as though they are playing it less safe this time around, which is very exciting. Of course, whether that's the case with the music itself remains to be seen.
1. Yes.
2. I think the section called Sleep Paralysis could be the "Opening".
3. I just think the proggy titles lend themselves to its being concept album, however mad that sounds. I know it's based on absolutely nothing. Simply a vibe I've had about this album all along.
4. Agreed, which can only be a good thing in my opinion.
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That too. DT's font in chrome would look pretty badass.
Something like this (https://i.imgur.com/ba2Axgb.jpg)?
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I have the most massive prog boner right now.
This. I absolutely love the song titles, and that they're splitting things into movements again. The last song seems like it's gonna be epic as hell.
The funny thing is that last night, I had a dream that I was at a very small and intimate Evening with DT concert, and it was super informal, to such extent that James was singing without a mic, because his voice was too powerful for such a small venue, haha. And then I wake up to this. Can't complain!
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I don't think it needs the band name on it at all. We all know what the symbol means and adding anything else to the cover starts to detract from the design.
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Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.
How is that not the correct logo? It's the majesty logo embossed. I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.
The existing Majesty logo is not that elipsoid or that flat, and the "tails" are not supposed to be that flat and sharp. And the existing logo is not symmetrical vertically.
Also, it just looks plain off.
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As long as they don't go full Wilson on us and don't include lyrics in the booklet I'm happy.:)
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Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.
Why can't they just hire one of us to do the artwork? Seems like Syme is doing sloppy work on purpose or something. That Majesty symbol looks goofy now that I'm at my computer and can see a bigger version of it.
Eh, not sure about that cover art. The tracklist looks like something you'd see in the fake tracklist thread.
Interesting indeed.
Well, keep in mind that new DT artwork/tracklisting always leads to moments of disbelief followed by tons of speculation that always turns out to be wrong.
Remember when people thought ToT was going to be a really religious album? :D
I wasn't a fan at that time.
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Not a fan of the cover at all, for a wide variety of reasons, but the track list definitely has my interest. Looking forward to this.
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A few thoughts:
1. The artwork - does that make this the Black Album?
2. The first track is a 3-part suite? Seems unlikely that would be what we previously knew as "Opening". But then there are still 9 tracks... did Easter Egg become a song, did something else get split up...?
3. Why on earth does anyone think the titles imply that it's a concept album? I mean, I'm not saying it's definitely not, but the titles mostly have nothing to do with each other.
4. At least from this, it definitely seems as though they are playing it less safe this time around, which is very exciting. Of course, whether that's the case with the music itself remains to be seen.
1. I was thinking 'Dark Side of the Theater' or 'Dark Side of the Dream' myself. :biggrin: :lol
2. Eh, Idk. Could be that the first part is a musical opening.
3. I'm not sure myself. I could see it being a thematic album though.
4. Indeed.
Cover art and tracklisting are freaking great but...I was expecting a single. I need to listen to some minutes of what's about to come. I'm disappointed.
Why were you expecting a single in the first place? The only confirmed things to be announced today were the artwork and track list, if memory serves me right.
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And phone wallpaper changed.....
(https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q554/oskirules/Screenshot_2013-07-09-08-48-49_zpsdbf21861.png)
Fuck yes. I'm so goddam stoked right now!!!!!!!!
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Wow!
Cannot wait! Those are some badass song titles!
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Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.
Why can't they just hire one of us to do the artwork? Seems like Syme is doing sloppy work on purpose or something. That Majesty symbol looks goofy now that I'm at my computer and can see a bigger version of it.
They can keep Syme doing the artwork, they just need us to proof-check it before it's finalized. :lol
Then maybe the DT writing wouldn't have been wrong on ADTOE either...
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Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.
How is that not the correct logo? It's the majesty logo embossed. I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.
The existing Majesty logo is not that elipsoid or that flat, and the "tails" are not supposed to be that flat and sharp. And the existing logo is not symmetrical vertically.
Also, it just looks plain off.
I think this one actually looks better than the old one. Maybe they just wanted an updated take on the logo? Either way, this cover is way better than the last 3 for sure, I think.
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As long as they don't go full Wilson on us and don't include lyrics in the booklet I'm happy.:)
why no lyrics?
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Anyone want to predict which one has John Myung lyrics?
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Behind the Veil.
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DICKSHIT HYPING FUCKNIPPLES DAT SUM GOOD TITLES
I'm really excited for what may come here :metal
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I have the most massive prog boner right now.
Absolutely this. I'm fucking pumped now. I agree, the song titles are pretentious, and I could honestly do without the French, but hey, maybe it'll make sense, and if it doesn't so long as the music is good I don't care. The not-DT-esque song titles are actually a good sign for me. It looks like we're really going to get something not safe, and subsequently, something absolutely amazing. I'm also surprised that we're opening up with a multi-part track given what we knew before. The only thing I'm personally missing now is the ability to buy the damn thing.
And though I do understand Blob's feelings regarding no "Dream Theater"on the cover art, I think aesthetically it looks gorgeous and I'll be holding out for a high quality version of it.
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I didn't expect any of this at all....
WOW!!!!!!!!
The cover is amazing, the song titles are great. The artwork fits the titles. If my guesses are right, based off the cover and titles, This is gonna be amazing.
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Best cover art since ToT!
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I think this one actually looks better than the old one. Maybe they just wanted an updated take on the logo?
Apparently every little thing has to be exactly the same, to the pixel, every single time the band releases anything. So, no. :D
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Anyone want to predict which one has John Myung lyrics?
I'm guessing either Behind the Veil or Illumination Theory.
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Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.
How is that not the correct logo? It's the majesty logo embossed. I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.
The existing Majesty logo is not that elipsoid or that flat, and the "tails" are not supposed to be that flat and sharp. And the existing logo is not symmetrical vertically.
Also, it just looks plain off.
I think this one actually looks better than the old one. Maybe they just wanted an updated take on the logo? Either way, this cover is way better than the last 3 for sure, I think.
But a few minutes ago, you couldn't even tell the difference between the logos side by side. :lol
It looked nasty to me when it was the purple design, and it still looks nasty to me now. If you're using your logo as the only defining image on a self titled album cover, at least stick to the same one you've identified yourself by for your entire career. This logo design looks like fan art to me, and is a huge downer on an otherwise beautifully simple design. I'd love it if they fixed that, and would easily be one of their best covers but for that.
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Anyone want to predict which one has John Myung lyrics?
I'll say there are 2 songs with JM lyrics. The Bigger Picture and Illumination Theory.
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Behind the Veil.
I think either that one or The Looking Glass (which has the possibility for water imagery :biggrin: ).
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New desk top background deployed...
New iPhone wallpaper/lockscreen activated...
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At least there's no unicyclist this time. What are you going to animate for them now, Blob?
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3. Why on earth does anyone think the titles imply that it's a concept album? I mean, I'm not saying it's definitely not, but the titles mostly have nothing to do with each other.
To me a title like "The bigger picture" seems odd unless it is the title of a chapter of a longer story.
Moreover some titles suggest that there is a story beyond them (the ride, the looking glass, the veil... could well be elements of a story.
Then you have titles connected to light/vision (looking glass, veil, illumination theory), and the contrast between "false" in the beginning and "truth" at the end.
But this is all speculation...!
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Band logos evolve over time. Personally, I don't care much about what the album cover looks like. I think this kind of fits with what Petrucci has been quoted as saying about the album.
Song titles are intriguing.
I'm looking forward to hearing it, and fortunately, I've managed to keep my expectations pretty low.
Fingers crossed for a nice, crisp sounding production.
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Unless I heard incorrectly, he also said that there was a 20 minute song. :metal :metal :metal
I think you heard correctly.
>band is more focused and yet looser and "rockin it a bit harder"
>songwriting a little more concise, "except for the over 20 minute epic".
>some songs less than 5 minutes on this album
>"they're the best songs they have ever written".
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Also, I think with song titles like those, the album should have gotten a proper name.
OK, I'm done criticizing.
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Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.
How is that not the correct logo? It's the majesty logo embossed. I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.
The existing Majesty logo is not that elipsoid or that flat, and the "tails" are not supposed to be that flat and sharp. And the existing logo is not symmetrical vertically.
Also, it just looks plain off.
I think this one actually looks better than the old one. Maybe they just wanted an updated take on the logo? Either way, this cover is way better than the last 3 for sure, I think.
Agreed. I like this take on the Majesty logo a lot. Sure, it's different, but that's not immediately a bad thing IMO. And yeah, this is definitely one of the best art covers for a DT album to date. :metal :tup
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I thought DT would bring us a single this early to compensate Live at Luna Park delay. I was wrong hahahah!
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Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.
How is that not the correct logo? It's the majesty logo embossed. I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.
The existing Majesty logo is not that elipsoid or that flat, and the "tails" are not supposed to be that flat and sharp. And the existing logo is not symmetrical vertically.
Also, it just looks plain off.
I think this one actually looks better than the old one. Maybe they just wanted an updated take on the logo? Either way, this cover is way better than the last 3 for sure, I think.
But a few minutes ago, you couldn't even tell the difference between the logos side by side. :lol
It looked nasty to me when it was the purple design, and it still looks nasty to me now. If you're using your logo as the only defining image on a self titled album cover, at least stick to the same one you've identified yourself by for your entire career. This logo design looks like fan art to me, and is a huge downer on an otherwise beautifully simple design. I'd love it if they fixed that, and would easily be one of their best covers but for that.
True but after you pointed it out I saw what you were saying. I don't think it is different enough to say it is a different logo. It's just reworked. Also I think this album is probably a redefinition of Dream Theater in a way.
I thought the last 3 album covers looked like fan art. This cover looks like it has purpose.
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Those song titles seem amazing man, and the artwork is nice, they decided to keep it nice and simple
MY BODY IS READY :2metal:
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Band logos evolve over time. Personally, I don't care much about what the album cover looks like. I think this kind of fits with what Petrucci has been quoted as saying about the album.
Song titles are intriguing.
I'm looking forward to hearing it, and fortunately, I've managed to keep my expectations pretty low.
Fingers crossed for a nice, crisp sounding production.
^This.
The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush.
The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Inside
(https://www.blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/Prymary_enemy.jpg)
Boom.
Beat me to it.
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Don't care the cover, these titles make me excited. I even did not feel the same way when I saw ADTOE titles. These titles seem more proggier and darker. Hope the album will come out like we think.
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As long as they don't go full Wilson on us and don't include lyrics in the booklet I'm happy.:)
why no lyrics?
I mean I want the booklet to have lyrics. Some of my Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson CDs have booklets without lyrics and it's really annoying. :lol
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(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/992792_598903366808262_213257409_n.jpg)
First single then?
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That isn't official isn't it? It is?
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Should this be my first Dream Theater album?? :justjen
And yes -- always lyrics in EVERY album, please. :)
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it's the same reflection in the logo as the earlier purple one i think?
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That isn't official isn't it? It is?
The tacked on Majesty logo (which doesn't match the one on the cover) says no.
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If you're using your logo as the only defining image on a self titled album cover, at least stick to the same one you've identified yourself by for your entire career.
How is this new logo not still the same defining image associated with the band? When you look at it, do you not instantly know it's the Majesty Symbol? It's a little flat and the tails are a little different...so what? The way you describe it blow it out of proportion makes it sound like the logo is completely unrecognisable as the Majesty Symbol. It most certainly is not. It's the same logo no matter what tiny insignificant flaws you find with it.
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Had the logo been placed with a better perspective that would have been mistaken for the true art any day of the week!
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Please tell me that wonky picture is not the album cover. It looks like fan art, and that Majesty logo is so off shape.
Sure, it's not the original Magesty logo. But if you ask me, that one always looked "off shape", and sloppy. This looks like a much more balanced and polished version of it shape wise. HOWEVER, the bevel effect looks really bad, especially around concave corners... Oy.
The rest of the cover is pretty meh. It's like they wanted to add a lens flare without really adding one. And the earth looks really flat and not very dynamic.
It's not a bad layout, but the details are really underwhelming.
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There is a tribute for IT people since Illumination Theory will be abbreviated through out the years by IT :biggrin:
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I'm not too crazy about the cover, but it doesn't make me any less excited to hear the album :tup
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Damn.. I was keeping my cool.....
this looks pretty sweet.. the cover art and the titles.. all tell me that this will be a very very crazy ambitious album!!!!!!!
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Love the album art, reminds me a little of Awake. Also love that they said "more concise songs". DT has a tendency to drag out really good songs (Endless Sacrifice, Outcry, etc.) so I'm glad to hear that it will be more short and to the point on this album. Tracklist also sounds pretty cool.
Couldn't be more excited right now!
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Anyone else find it a coincidence that their cover is outworldy especially the song titles, and comet ISON is supposed to arrive around that time. Pretty awesome coincidence if I say so myself. I mean Enigma Machine, The Bigger Picture, Illumination Theory. Sounds like a 6DOIT type of concept.
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That isn't official isn't it? It is?
https://www.facebook.com/eddyartdesign
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I agree, the song titles are pretentious,
Remind me of Awake.
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If you're using your logo as the only defining image on a self titled album cover, at least stick to the same one you've identified yourself by for your entire career.
How is this new logo not still the same defining image associated with the band? When you look at it, do you not instantly know it's the Majesty Symbol? It's a little flat and the tails are a little different...so what? The way you describe it blow it out of proportion makes it sound like the logo is completely unrecognisable as the Majesty Symbol. It most certainly is not. It's the same logo no matter what tiny insignificant flaws you find with it.
They're not tiny insignificant flaws to me. Considering graphics is what I do for a living, and that I've had to correct the incorrect font on official products, it's something I take seriously. I have an eye for detail, and these things matter to me.
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That isn't official isn't it? It is?
The tacked on Majesty logo (which doesn't match the one on the cover) says no.
But it is the correct majesty logo!
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I'm not sure how the logos are different.
Can anyone do a quick sideby side comparison?
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Like the track titles very much. :metal
Like the concept of the cover art, but not the execution (earth looks kinda low-res and the transition from light to dark dark to light light to dark dark to light is rather awkward). But still better than ADTOE. ;D
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If you're using your logo as the only defining image on a self titled album cover, at least stick to the same one you've identified yourself by for your entire career.
How is this new logo not still the same defining image associated with the band? When you look at it, do you not instantly know it's the Majesty Symbol? It's a little flat and the tails are a little different...so what? The way you describe it blow it out of proportion makes it sound like the logo is completely unrecognisable as the Majesty Symbol. It most certainly is not. It's the same logo no matter what tiny insignificant flaws you find with it.
They're not tiny insignificant flaws to me. Considering graphics is what I do for a living, and that I've had to correct the incorrect font on official products, it's something I take seriously. I have an eye for detail, and these things matter to me.
I agree... I wouldn't exactly call the flaws insignificant either; it makes the logo look kind of corny in my opinion.
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I'm not sure how the logos are different.
Can anyone do a quick sideby side comparison?
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)
Also note that the planet image just cuts off. I brightened the image so you'd see the shape of the Majesty logo on the cover better and noticed that.
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Maybe "Dream Theater" will be on a sticker on the jewel case like with Death Magnetic
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Like the track titles very much. :metal
Like the concept of the cover art, but not the execution (earth looks kinda low-res and the transition from light to dark dark to light light to dark dark to light is rather awkward). But still better than ADTOE. ;D
:neverusethis:
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My first thought about the titles was exactly that.. Awake vibe.
now that I saw the majesty logo reflection with more attention it gave me a sensation like it was taken out from the lie music video (off course it's the brooklyn bridge, but my mind made the link)
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I like the bold statement the band is making with the self titled release. Cover art could have been more creative, but what's inside the album matters most, obviously. Cannot wait to hear it, and the hint of an epic with "Illumination Theory" has me the most excited. :tup
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I like the older logo but to be honest I don't dislike the new one either. And I'm far more interested in the tracklist.
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hhhmmmm... not even 2 pages before the nitpicking begins. It's a very simple cover. I like it, and for the average fan, the differences in the logo aren't going to be noticed. Frankly, IMO change is good. It's not the same band as when the "original" logo was developed, so why shouldn't the logo evolve along with the band? Cleaner, more refined, polished. That's what I see.
Just my opinion.
Love the song titles too.
Like every new release, I'm very excited to have a listen.
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OMGOMGOMGOMG.
I just want to refer to this album as "The Metallic Album".
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hhhmmmm... not even 2 pages before the nitpicking begins. It's a very simple cover. I like it, and for the average fan, the differences in the logo aren't going to be noticed. Frankly, IMO change is good. It's not the same band as when the "original" logo was developed, so why shouldn't the logo evolve along with the band? Cleaner, more refined, polished. That's what I see.
Just my opinion.
Love the song titles too.
Like every new release, I'm very excited to have a listen.
Exactly. :tup
I wonder how long until we get a single?
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I'm trying not to get too hyped on this. Do you think there's a chance that the songs will be more simple or, say, commercial since it's their S/T? That would turn me a bit off
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I notice that since it has 9 tracks, it breaks the album track symmetry some people thought they had going.
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My first impressions:
Cool cover, reminiscent of Dark Side of the Moon. I just hope that because the cover is dark that all the music and the album will be too "metul"
Also looks like the Brooklyn Bridge is on/in the logo
Abstract/proggy/partly pretentious album tracks, very intriguing and not typical of DT imo. I can see a faint hinting of a concept/thematic album
I love a suite opening up the album, seems like a 3 in one song
Looking forward to the 20 min epic with Mangini at the helm
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I still can't shake off the coincidence of the artwork and song titles relating to the Awakening of our human consciousness, and comet ISON. It's too parallel for me to ignore, especially the artwork of the light behind the Earth, I see it as comet ISON.
But, I am excited and am pumped to hear just how amazing this will sound. I don't ever put expectations on new releases, but I feel this is gonna be plain amazing.
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I'm trying not to get too hyped on this. Do you think there's a chance that the songs will be more simple or, say, commercial since it's their S/T? That would turn me a bit off
One of the songs is reportedly 20 minutes, so I don't think we have to worry.
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Uber-prog.
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I'm trying not to get too hyped on this. Do you think there's a chance that the songs will be more simple or, say, commercial since it's their S/T? That would turn me a bit off
Maybe one or two.
They need to make this album-one-song that can really sell the album to the general public.
But I really think this album will be awesome :)
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I'm trying not to get too hyped on this. Do you think there's a chance that the songs will be more simple or, say, commercial since it's their S/T? That would turn me a bit off
One of the songs is reportedly 20 minutes, so I don't think we have to worry.
Also, it's Dream Theater, so I don't think we have to worry.
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I'm trying not to get too hyped on this. Do you think there's a chance that the songs will be more simple or, say, commercial since it's their S/T? That would turn me a bit off
One of the songs is reportedly 20 minutes, so I don't think we have to worry.
Also, it's Dream Theater, so I don't think we have to worry.
This.
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Boy, you DT fans sure are...errmmmm..."detail-oriented"...! ;)
Jus' listen to tha music!!! :D
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When I first signed up here it was my understanding - or maybe hope, I should say... that this place would be where Dream Theater got a lot of love and praise. I quickly came to understand that I was wrong :lol
I mean, come on guys.... the album is not even out.... feels a lot of nitpicking to me... :)
and we know DT has a good track record of releasing "complete experiences" ... we could maybe wait for the album to come out and see how the artwork relates to the concept...
OMG.. did I just say concept? :omg:
inb4 I get told off by Blob :P
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My thoughts on the tracklist:
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE (John Petrucci)
i. Sleep Paralysis
ii. Night Terrors
iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE (John Petrucci)
3. THE LOOKING GLASS (James LaBrie)
4. ENIGMA MACHINE (Instrumental)
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE (John Petrucci)
6. BEHIND THE VEIL (John Petrucci)
7. SURRENDER TO REASON (James LaBrie)
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE (John Petrucci)
9. ILLUMINATION THEORYi. Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire (John Petrucci)
ii. Live, Die, Kill (John Petrucci)
iii. The Embracing Circle (John Myung)
iv. The Pursuit of Truth (John Myung)
v. Surrender, Trust & Passion (John Petrucci)
I have the feeling that we'll have an album kinda like Awake+SDOIT. The art looks awesome, and it has the same dark vibe from Awake. The song names seems very dark too, but something in it reminded me of SDOIT.
Anyway, I'm still expecting to hear something from the new album!
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I am soooo excited for this album!
Love the track listing, as everyone said, those titles are some serious prog!
Don't like the album cover, I thought they would've come up with something more 'detailed' for lack of a better word. It should have the DT logo on it, like all the others. But I'm sure I'll get used to it and warm up to it fast.
This album is gonna be EPIC!!
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I'm not sure how the logos are different.
Can anyone do a quick sideby side comparison?
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)
Also note that the planet image just cuts off. I brightened the image so you'd see the shape of the Majesty logo on the cover better and noticed that.
Now I can't unsee Earth cutting off. Damn, why would they not look this over a bit more?
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It's blatantly evident how influential MP was when it came to album and song titles. Since his departure the titles are of a very different logic. I would never bitch about that, but these are the kind of titles I would 've come up with (not a good thing ;D)
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One of the songs is reportedly 20 minutes, so I don't think we have to worry.
Considering that we're opening with a 3 part suite, and ending with a 5 movement song... I'm pretty sure we'll get our proggyness out of this album.
If they did try to make the songs more radio friendly, I'm sure that'd equate to being more melodic and technical, and less balls to the wall heavy, and personally, I wouldn't be against that.
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Also, could we merge the two threads? The topic is the very same...
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Now I can't unsee Earth cutting off. Damn, why would they not look this over a bit more?
On my monitor it doesn't show up until I brighten it in Photoshop, so I doubt anyone else would have noticed, and hopefully it shouldn't be noticeable in print.
On the ADTOE cover there was a complaint that the rope didn't go all the way to the edge of the image, but I'm pretty sure that didn't appear on the printed cover, so keep in mind it's a different output to the final physical album.
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When I first signed up here it was my understanding - or maybe hope, I should say... that this place would be where Dream Theater got a lot of love and praise. I quickly came to understand that I was wrong :lol
I mean, come on guys.... the album is not even out.... feels a lot of nitpicking to me... :)
and we know DT has a good track record of releasing "complete experiences" ... we could maybe wait for the album to come out and see how the artwork relates to the concept...
OMG.. did I just say concept? :omg:
inb4 I get told off by Blob :P
(https://25.media.tumblr.com/f3c94163c0c3b46e614734170d41d3ed/tumblr_mp0mgqb8i41spwno4o1_400.gif)
Seriously, I'm surprised that such a simple change as the updated Majesty logo got such a nit picky response from some people. :lol
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Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox
I smell some astrology
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Wow... I slept in today and woke up to this thread being BLOWN UP. Nice :tup
Alrighty...well the artwork is pretty good. Not too complicated or pretentious (the track names do that already :lol ). It's a subtle statement - here's Dream Theater, we're here to take over the planet, and there's nothing you can do about it.
The track list looks good. Interesting and unique names, a slight continuation of ADTOE (which had good titles like "Bridges In The Sky" and "Breaking All Illusions"). My favorites have to be "Enigma Machine", "Behind The Veil" and "Illumination Theory".
Also, abbreviations for future use:
FAS
TEI
TLG
EM
TBP
BTV
STR
AFTR
IT
Doesn't look like there are any over-laps with older song titles' abbreviations, so we're good for this album! :tup
As for "False Awakening Suite" being "Opening/YARGGG", it's not entirely unlikely. Just because the opening was written last doesn't mean it was going to be a shorter song. I can see it being a 7-10 minute track in 3 parts. Remember that "The Killing Hand" is only about 9 minutes long and is FIVE parts, so I think a 7-10 minute track in 3 would be doable, but the progress chart noted that "YARGGG" would not have lyrics, so it is curious if the whole song is "YARGGG"/instrumental or if it's just the first part ("Sleep Paralysis") that will have no lyrics... guess time will tell.
It also looks like they kept the working title of "Along For The Ride" and that "Epic" turned out to be "Illumination Theory" (great title, interesting movement names too). The instrumental could be either "Enigma Machine" or "Behind The Veil", I think, but the former more likely. It just sounds like it'll be a musically complicated song, perfect for an instrumental featuring Mangini and his intense drumming.
As for it being a concept album...well, it's possible there could be themes and ideas carried throughout the whole album, just by looking at the titles. We have "Surrender To Reason" and then "Surrender, Trust & Passion" in the end of "Illumination Theory". Also titles like "The Looking Glass" and "Behind The Veil" seem to suggest songs about things being hidden from truth (or being light...illumination?), a word used twice in the movement titles of the last song. "The Enemy Inside" suggests there's a song about something within, again an idea of something hidden (possibly from the truth, or from being revealed). "The Bigger Picture" could be relating everything to how it all works together, taking a look at how everything fits, like parts of a machine (an Enigma Machine?). The opening suite is interesting, though, and perhaps sets the tooooooone for the whole album, and the titles seem to indicate that perhaps this all occurs during a dream, that these ideas and thoughts happen as one sleeps, and they wake up when the last song comes around.
This is going to be a good album, I have a really good feeling about this!
-Marc.
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Now I can't unsee Earth cutting off. Damn, why would they not look this over a bit more?
On my monitor it doesn't show up until I brighten it in Photoshop, so I doubt anyone else would have noticed, and hopefully it shouldn't be noticeable in print.
On the ADTOE cover there was a complaint that the rope didn't go all the way to the edge of the image, but I'm pretty sure that didn't appear on the printed cover, so keep in mind it's a different output to the final physical album.
I can see it without brightening it, but probably wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't said anything.
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When I first signed up here it was my understanding - or maybe hope, I should say... that this place would be where Dream Theater got a lot of love and praise. I quickly came to understand that I was wrong :lol
I mean, come on guys.... the album is not even out.... feels a lot of nitpicking to me... :)
and we know DT has a good track record of releasing "complete experiences" ... we could maybe wait for the album to come out and see how the artwork relates to the concept...
OMG.. did I just say concept? :omg:
inb4 I get told off by Blob :P
Agreeeeed :metal
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I'm guessing that Opening/YAAARG is either Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire or Sleep Paralysis, and serves as an instrumental overture for Illumination Theory or the False Awakening Suite, respectively, rather than the whole album, and that Easter Egg became its own track.
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Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox
I smell some astrology
I'm guessing that part is gonna be the instrumental intro to that track.
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Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox
I smell some astrology
What does that have to do with horoscopes?
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Any predictions on ballads? I would guess atleast one, best guess being The Looking Glass
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I think the cover looks fantastic. I'm not going to complain about the differences in the logo, because I've never looked at the logo close enough for this to bother me now. It's simple, classy, and direct.
As for the tracklist, I'm very excited. The two epics both have me quite intrigued, and I'm especially looking forward to the lyrics in the latter. The only one I'm having a lukewarm response to is Surrender to Reason. It feels... meh
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I can now see the planet cutting off as well. It looks like a shadow, but it's too distinct and you can tell it's just the picture ending. My monitor is probably duller than most, since the brightness tends to bother my eyes.
I think it's obvious at this point that Syme has strugged with keeping up with the high definition aspect of modern digital art. If he made any of his classic album covers today, I'm sure many flaws would be much more obvious in high res than they had been previously.
That said, I have no big issues with the album art. It takes the simplicity of ADTOE, and takes out the clown while setting the tone for some darker moods. It looks fine by me.
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I just Mangini'd.
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The titles really pumped me up, reminiscent of the '70s prog that I love oh so well. The cover is great, but what's with the black line on the left?
I just want to refer to this album as "The Metallic Album".
That definitely won't catch on. Dark album has a better chance because of its looks and the Dark Side of the Moon connection (milestone prog album, no text on the cover) and then we could make Spinal Tap jokes about it. :biggrin:
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I think the cover looks fantastic. I'm not going to complain about the differences in the logo, because I've never looked at the logo close enough for this to bother me now. It's simple, classy, and direct.
As for the tracklist, I'm very excited. The two epics both have me quite intrigued, and I'm especially looking forward to the lyrics in the latter. The only one I'm having a lukewarm response to is Surrender to Reason. It feels... meh
Are you assuming that the two songs that have sections are epics? Because several DT songs have sections like that, and aren't considered epics, like TOT, every song of the 12SS etc. It does imply a somewhat longer song, but not necessarily an epic in the sense that we use it on DTF.
I was kind of hoping for more along the lines of suites and the like, so I'm excited for that whatever it is.
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Not liking the cover art. Put the damn band name on there. I wouldn't mind the Majesty logo if it didn't look like a melty chrome mess.
Very interesting track list though. Still excited.
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Nice cover and 2 epic? :omg: Instaboner!!!
Doubt it - if I had to guess, I think False Awakening thingybob is probably the Intro track.
Not convinced by the cover, but the track titles, though far more... lavish than DT's usual stuff, are incredibly intriguing for exactly that reason. Seriously, Dream Theater have a song called "Paradox de la Lumiere Noire?!" They're usually so literal! Brilliantly weird. I can't wait.
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The Majesty symbol seems to just have been reworked. Whatever the reason, I'm much more pumped at the song names! They seem to be having a unified theme to them. Very dreamy, or dare I say Dream Theateryyy? ;D
Also the song names somehow remind me of Haken's Visions. A somewhat similar mood, but it is probably unintentional.
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I think the cover looks fantastic. I'm not going to complain about the differences in the logo, because I've never looked at the logo close enough for this to bother me now. It's simple, classy, and direct.
As for the tracklist, I'm very excited. The two epics both have me quite intrigued, and I'm especially looking forward to the lyrics in the latter. The only one I'm having a lukewarm response to is Surrender to Reason. It feels... meh
Are you assuming that the two songs that have sections are epics? Because several DT songs have sections like that, and aren't considered epics, like TOT, every song of the 12SS etc. It does imply a somewhat longer song, but not necessarily an epic in the sense that we use it on DTF.
I was kind of hoping for more along the lines of suites and the like, so I'm excited for that whatever it is.
Yeah, I should have specified. I don't mean epic in the sense of ACOS and 8varium. More along the lines of Trial of Tears, which I still consider to be an epic (in sound, if not in length). I'll be ecstatic if the opening track is on par with Trial of Tears.
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Of course, the FAS might not be an epic at all. But those three sections certainly have me thinking something in the 9-15 minute range.
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I think the cover looks fantastic. I'm not going to complain about the differences in the logo, because I've never looked at the logo close enough for this to bother me now. It's simple, classy, and direct.
As for the tracklist, I'm very excited. The two epics both have me quite intrigued, and I'm especially looking forward to the lyrics in the latter. The only one I'm having a lukewarm response to is Surrender to Reason. It feels... meh
Are you assuming that the two songs that have sections are epics? Because several DT songs have sections like that, and aren't considered epics, like TOT, every song of the 12SS etc. It does imply a somewhat longer song, but not necessarily an epic in the sense that we use it on DTF.
I was kind of hoping for more along the lines of suites and the like, so I'm excited for that whatever it is.
Yeah, I should have specified. I don't mean epic in the sense of ACOS and 8varium. More along the lines of Trial of Tears, which I still consider to be an epic (in sound, if not in length). I'll be ecstatic if the opening track is on par with Trial of Tears.
You wouldn't think a suite could be all too short, right? This tracklist has me scratching my head, in the best possible way.
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Why are people upset by not having "Dream Theater" on the cover? I love the minimalist cover and having the name would clutter the artwork. If you want to see their name you're gonna have to look on the side of the CD case, sorry.
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D = 4
T = 20
= 24
DTDT = 48
8 + 4 = 12.
All makes sense now.
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I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album... Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
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Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox
I smell some astrology
woah Olber's paradox is freakin' awesome! XD
Why are people upset by not having "Dream Theater" on the cover? I love the minimalist cover and having the name would clutter the artwork. If you want to see their name you're gonna have to look on the side of the CD case, sorry.
OK. With this particular album art, if their name was on the cover it would look hella cheezy. The logo was a good choice, I hoped they would do it, and i'm glad they actually went for it!
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My first thought about the titles was exactly that.. Awake vibe.
After all, what's another name for "The Looking Glass"? ;D
Why are people upset by not having "Dream Theater" on the cover? I love the minimalist cover and having the name would clutter the artwork.
I agree. I like that there's no band name on the cover. I'm sure people who are interested in this album will know what it is. Especially since music stores tend to put a tab for each band. So it's not like people are gonna go, "Gee, I don't know what band this is, so I'm not gonna buy it." If anything, the mysterious nature of the cover might be intriguing.
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Any predictions on ballads? I would guess atleast one, best guess being The Looking Glass
All tracks have electric guitar, but I guess that doesn't rule out "ballad" in some sense.
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I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album... Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
...or the songs between the epics could be short ;) If it was a double album, I bet it would've been mentioned in the press release, or at least there would've been tracklists for two discs.
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I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album... Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
"The nine-track disc was recorded..."
I think there's no chance of that now.
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I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album... Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
I would think that they'd announce that by now.
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I predict that The Looking Glass will feature the words:
Alice, Cheshire, grin, hearts..
Possibly Tweedledum or Tweedledee :laugh:
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Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.
Blob, thanks for your help in detailing your problems with the logo design. Your picture was especially extremely helpful.
That being said, what are you going to do when DT comes to you and asks you to do graphics for them again? Would you express these opinions to them and design your graphics the way you think they should be done, the "official" art be damned? Especially given that you apparently don't even like looking at it!
And I've always been curious why DT doesn't just turn to you by default. :lol
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Why are people upset by not having "Dream Theater" on the cover? I love the minimalist cover and having the name would clutter the artwork. If you want to see their name you're gonna have to look on the side of the CD case, sorry.
This. Also, I think it's actually rather terrific to see a self-titled album that doesn't include the band name on the album cover.
The band is really making some rather bold statements with this album. From the decision to make the album a self-titled release, to the more lavish and mystical song titles, to the minimalist styled art cover, to opening the album with a suite?
I'm getting a really strong 'prog' vibe from this announcement, and I couldn't be more excited. :metal :tup
I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album... Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
Highly unlikely. According to that Roadrunner podcast someone else linked earlier, there's going to be songs on this album that are under five minutes long (and confirmed a twenty minute long epic).
I actually have a feeling this album might even end up being under an hour long. :omg:
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The instrumental song could be a short segue between two other tracks.
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I hope theres one solid ballad, and that they leave it at that. ADTOE had too many, IMO.
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I think the cover looks fantastic. I'm not going to complain about the differences in the logo, because I've never looked at the logo close enough for this to bother me now. It's simple, classy, and direct.
As for the tracklist, I'm very excited. The two epics both have me quite intrigued, and I'm especially looking forward to the lyrics in the latter. The only one I'm having a lukewarm response to is Surrender to Reason. It feels... meh
Are you assuming that the two songs that have sections are epics? Because several DT songs have sections like that, and aren't considered epics, like TOT, every song of the 12SS etc. It does imply a somewhat longer song, but not necessarily an epic in the sense that we use it on DTF.
I was kind of hoping for more along the lines of suites and the like, so I'm excited for that whatever it is.
Yeah, I should have specified. I don't mean epic in the sense of ACOS and 8varium. More along the lines of Trial of Tears, which I still consider to be an epic (in sound, if not in length). I'll be ecstatic if the opening track is on par with Trial of Tears.
You wouldn't think a suite could be all too short, right? This tracklist has me scratching my head, in the best possible way.
That's my favorite thing about prog rock/metal. :tup
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My assessment is that the tracklist looks shiny.
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I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album... Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
If two songs are 20 mins. That leaves 7 at around 5 mins. That still adds up to 75
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Here are all my thoughts. By Rob. Age 23 and a half.
First off - not sold on the cover, but I can see it growing on me. I like the minimalism, and it's very classy, but there's no new imagery. I found that a little depressing when the title was unveiled (I think the phrase I used at the time was "The title is... there is no title!!" and I find the cover art underwhelming in a similar way, but I think a bit of that is because I got my hopes up.
Fortunately, the song titles more than make up for the disappointing lack of imagery between the cover and the album title. Crikey, they're interesting. A far, far cry from the generally-quite-literal titles Dream Theater usually use. Some of them sound rather more Musey (good thing in my book) - and, gratuitous French?! Mad. This is not the tracklist I was expecting, but it's a tracklist I'm very very happy with.
I didn't expect myself to be excited by songs packed with ordinal sections, or what is clearly an over-twenty minute epic, (confirmed by the RoadRunner podcast, ladies and gents!) but here I am, genuinely galvanised. I have a good feeling about Illumination Theory. I think it's going to be a little less ItPoE and Count of Tuscany, a little more Octavarium - got a hunch it might be a top-tier epic, rather than a pseudo-epic.
That said, if I was surprised to be happy about epics, it's also fair to say I'm happy to be surprised by songs under five minutes. It's the news I never dared hope for. I think Dream Theater would make some killer four-minuters. I really dig that concise, laser-focused approach to songwriting, and I cannot wait to hear DT pull it off.
I am excited. This feels special.
Other minutiae: I think False Awakening Suite is probably "Intro" from the whiteboard. Illumination Theory is almost definitely the epic. No idea on the others, but I'd like to think The Enemy Inside is Bad Larry. Just so's we have a name for the enemy.
Lyricists... I'll try and figure out later.
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Alright people, how about favorite track name?
I really like the sound of Behind the Veil
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Alright people, how about favorite track name?
I really like the sound of Behind the Veil
Enigma Machine or Illumination Theory :metal
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When will we get the track lengths?
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Cool cover. Sleek and simple, just the way I like it.
Now bring on the snippets!!!
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The False Awakening Suite sounds like it could be an instrumental. Like they were creating their title track on the title CD, and decided to get more creative.
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I am not at all bothered that they changed the logo. I mean, it's their fucking logo, they have the right to change it.
My thoughts on this can be summed up as:
My assessment is that the tracklist looks shiny.
and that's all there is to it :lol honestly, it does look really prog and DSOTMish, but that still doesn't tell me one god damned thing about the music, and if they went for the unexpected with the music as well as they did with the titles (these are really not "regular" 00's/10's DT titles), that's all the more reasons for me not to bust my brain over these.
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Alright people, how about favorite track name?
I really like the sound of Behind the Veil
Enigma Machine or Illumination Theory :metal
That one sounds heavy to me
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I am not at all bothered that they changed the logo. I mean, it's their fucking logo, they have the right to change it.
Word. Loads of logos go through multiple stylistic iterations. Change is good.
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I wonder if they just announce speculative things in need of minor tweaks to see how many people here pick up on planets not being complete. Either way, this press release has me excited, and I like the look of the multipart suites.
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When I first signed up here it was my understanding - or maybe hope, I should say... that this place would be where Dream Theater got a lot of love and praise. I quickly came to understand that I was wrong :lol
I mean, come on guys.... the album is not even out.... feels a lot of nitpicking to me... :)
and we know DT has a good track record of releasing "complete experiences" ... we could maybe wait for the album to come out and see how the artwork relates to the concept...
OMG.. did I just say concept? :omg:
inb4 I get told off by Blob :P
Agreeeeed :metal
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The music will be the paint. your ears and mind will be the canvas. ergo who gives a shit about the cover? :lol
I'm guessing one of the sections in the suite will be instrumental noodliness ala itpoe pt2/8vm/overture 1928. same with one of the sections in the illumination theory. With the exception of the track that is entirely instrumental, the rest will be just beautiful songwriting.
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I guess I'm one of the few who didn't mind the purple motif, but I'm not one to get too worked up about it either way. They could put a close-up of an elephant's anus on the cover and I wouldn't care as long as the music was good. Speaking of which, I'm REALLY looking forward to hearing this. I hope they gave James some great vocal melodies to work with.
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Really digging the tracklist. As for the artwork, it fits the idea of a self-named album: here we are, telling who we are to the world (i'd like to remind them that if you want the world to recognise who you are, to tell your name could be an help). Anyway, excited as before.
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^^^Yes, already!!! :)
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I guess I'm one of the few who didn't mind the purple motif, but I'm not one to get too worked up about it either way. They could put a close-up of an elephant's anus on the cover and I wouldn't care as long as the music was good. Speaking of which, I'm REALLY looking forward to hearing this. I hope they gave James some great vocal melodies to work with.
Maybe that's what we're staring at and not the Earth :o
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Right, let's place bets - who's gonna be the first to propose a really fucking hokey theory that this is all an autobiographical concept album covering the first twenty years of Dream Theater's career?
Time's up, it's me!! The Enemy Inside is about David Prater cursing Images and Words with its triggered snares, the Looking Glass is Awake, and how could Illumination Theory be about anything other than the Octavarium subforum?
The music will be the paint. your ears and mind will be the canvas. ergo who gives a shit about the cover?
Me, I increasingly think it's lovely.
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Right, let's place bets - who's gonna be the first to propose a really fucking hokey theory that this is all an autobiographical concept album covering the first twenty years of Dream Theater's career?
Time's up, it's me!! The Enemy Inside is about David Prater cursing Images and Words with its triggered snares, the Looking Glass is Awake, and how could Illumination Theory be about anything other than the Octavarium subforum?
It's a concept about Kevin Moore. He secretly re-joined the band and wrote the entire album.
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I love this album cover. It's exactly what I was hoping it would be, and it's the first nice, simple cover since Six Degrees. And the titles seem slightly out of character, but in a good way... It'll be interesting to see how the multi-part songs end up.
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The idea of KevMo writing songs with titles like Illumination Theory and Enigma Machine at this point in his career makes me chuckle :lol
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He did it so no one would know.
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The idea of KevMo writing songs with titles like Illumination Theory and Enigma Machine at this point in his career makes me chuckle :lol
Ditto :lol
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It seems possible to me that there is a theme of 'Theater of the Mind/Dream' with these titles but I wouldn't be at all surprised if that doesn't pan out.
I think the cover is fine and I note that there is enough room at the bottom to add the band name at printing time or emboss the band's logo, which I think would be very cool.
I prefer the new logo over the old and agree with MoraWintersoul and Sir Webster that the band has every right (if not obligation) to change the logo over time.
I'm really looking forward to hearing the album and hope to get snippets during the next two months!
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So...maybe we won't have a "light" forum theme this album cycle. :lol
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The idea of KevMo writing songs with titles like Illumination Theory and Enigma Machine at this point in his career makes me chuckle :lol
Ditto :lol
Actually the thought of him writing songs like those at any point is funny :D
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So...maybe we won't have a "light" forum theme this album cycle. :lol
:lol Well, there could certainly be a light theme in regards to the titles of the subforums and other details! :lol
It would appear that Black is the new Black. ;) :lol :tup
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1.I don't like the cover. Just putting that out there.
2.The song titles sound pretty fake. But they are not. It really sounds more badass this way though.
3.Illumination Theory is gonna be fucking awesome with JMX lyrics.
Overall:Even though the cover looks lame to me,I feel like this is gonna be a *sigh* top 3 DT release. I voted Top 5 in the poll but then I remembered that ADTOE IS in my top 5. So,now that Mangini is in full force,they can do something Top 3 worthy. And even ALBUM OF DA YEAR!
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The idea of KevMo writing songs with titles like Illumination Theory and Enigma Machine at this point in his career makes me chuckle :lol
Ditto :lol
Actually the thought of him writing songs like those at any point is funny :D
Live, Die, Kill (Now Watch What Happens)
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Hey guys! First time actually posting, but I've been lurking since the Roadrunner incident last thread! Glad to be aboard now! :yarr
Regarding the album cover, I personally think it fucking rocks. I think it's sharp and visually striking. It also looks extremely different from their other covers, which kind of ties back to the whole "we're reinventing ourselves" theme that seems to be recurring here.
As for the titles, I think they're fantastic! I've been crossing my fingers for a concept/theme album for a while now. SDOIT is the first DT album I listened to so I have a soft spot for those kinds of albums. Can't wait to hear what these will sound like. SEPTEMBER, Y U NO HERE?
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They could put a close-up of an elephant's anus on the cover
Could somebody please do this?
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Hey guys! First time actually posting, but I've been lurking since the Roadrunner incident last thread! Glad to be aboard now! :yarr
Regarding the album cover, I personally think it fucking rocks. I think it's sharp and visually striking. It also looks extremely different from their other covers, which kind of ties back to the whole "we're reinventing ourselves" theme that seems to be recurring here.
As for the titles, I think they're fantastic! I've been crossing my fingers for a concept/theme album for a while now. SDOIT is the first DT album I listened to so I have a soft spot for those kinds of albums. Can't wait to hear what these will sound like. SEPTEMBER, Y U NO HERE?
I agree with all you just said and welcome to the forums! :D
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I prefer the new logo over the old and agree with MoraWintersoul and Sir Webster that the band has every right (if not obligation) to change the logo over time.
And it's not like it changed, really. It's just been redesigned. I mean, it's not like the logo itself is different. It's just designed in a different style. People aren't going to look at it and go, "That's not the DT logo. Must be some other band."[/quote]
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Is anyone else a bit put off by this phrase?
We’ve fully explored all of the elements that make us unique
It seems odd for a musician to claim that they've "fully" explored something. Where is there to go from there?
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Hey guys! First time actually posting, but I've been lurking since the Roadrunner incident last thread! Glad to be aboard now! :yarr
Regarding the album cover, I personally think it fucking rocks. I think it's sharp and visually striking. It also looks extremely different from their other covers, which kind of ties back to the whole "we're reinventing ourselves" theme that seems to be recurring here.
As for the titles, I think they're fantastic! I've been crossing my fingers for a concept/theme album for a while now. SDOIT is the first DT album I listened to so I have a soft spot for those kinds of albums. Can't wait to hear what these will sound like. SEPTEMBER, Y U NO HERE?
:welcome:
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I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album... Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
...or the songs between the epics could be short ;) If it was a double album, I bet it would've been mentioned in the press release, or at least there would've been tracklists for two discs.
You never know. When we got the tracklisting for Scenes, there was nothing said about it being a concept album or Metropolis Part II, so the band is no stranger to keeping some things secret until the last minute. I think it would be neat if it was a double album, but no one knew it until the album dropped.
I actually have a feeling this album might even end up being under an hour long. :omg:
That wouldn't bother me at all. I&W is under an hour and every minute of it is amazing.
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Hey guys! First time actually posting, but I've been lurking since the Roadrunner incident last thread! Glad to be aboard now!
Welcome! This certainly is a good time to be a board ;)
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Is anyone else a bit put off by this phrase?
We’ve fully explored all of the elements that make us unique
It seems odd for a musician to claim that they've "fully" explored something. Where is there to go from there?
Well, maybe they mean as of right now. Bands obviously grow and evolve over time. In two years, they might think there's more to explore.
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Is anyone else a bit put off by this phrase?
We’ve fully explored all of the elements that make us unique
It seems odd for a musician to claim that they've "fully" explored something. Where is there to go from there?
Hmm. I'm a bit too, but I'm going to reserve judgement.
Mora, that's equal parts terrifying and adorable. :D
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I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album... Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
...or the songs between the epics could be short ;) If it was a double album, I bet it would've been mentioned in the press release, or at least there would've been tracklists for two discs.
You never know. When we got the tracklisting for Scenes, there was nothing said about it being a concept album or Metropolis Part II, so the band is no stranger to keeping some things secret until the last minute. I think it would be neat if it was a double album, but no one knew it until the album dropped.
Yeah, but Scenes isn't a double album. I didn't become a DT fan until 2009, so I need to ask whoever was a fan in 2001/2002: when the tracklist for Six Degrees was announced, was it revealed that it would be a double album? I mean, were there tracklists for disc 1 and disc 2?
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Love the cover. Song titles seem majestic.
Bring it on!
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Yeah, but Scenes isn't a double album. I didn't become a DT fan until 2009, so I need to ask whoever was a fan in 2001/2002: when the tracklist for Six Degrees was announced, was it revealed that it would be a double album? I mean, were there tracklists for disc 1 and disc 2?
I was around for that, but I honestly cannot remember the way the track listing was announced.
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13 pages? Seriously? :D
I'm so incredibly excited right now :metal :D :caffeine:
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Wish the background of the artwork was a bit more crisp, but either way, it makes me want to refer to DT12 as Majesty. :metal
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I was hoping for a more laid-back proggy album.
Although it seems like it's gonna be really heavy, like, fucking heavy as shit. I'm hyped.
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(https://home.comcast.net/~gregg-townsend/emboss.jpg)
This is what I meant earlier when I said the actual cover could be embossed with the band name. Or some thing like it.
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This is what I meant earlier when I said the actual cover could be embossed with the band name. Or some thing like it.
Now THAT would be amazing!!!
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Everyone is saying that this album seems like it will be really heavy... I'm feeling more of a super proggy vibe, based on these titles. I feel like it can be dark without being heavy. If it is heavy, I'm feeling more of an Awake vibe than a Systematic Chaos vibe.
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SPLOOOOOOOGE!
Well, I am prtetty damned psyched. I love the Cover. I love just the use of the Majesty symbol. No need for anything else. As far as the tracklist is concerned, I am intrigued about JP's statemts that it is cinematic and atmospheric. I believe this may be a turn for DT more to early prog elements. Possibly in the realm of early YES or Genesis but with a heavier edge. I cannot wait!
:metal :hefdaddy :metal :hefdaddy :censored :censored :censored :censored :metal
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(https://home.comcast.net/~gregg-townsend/emboss.jpg)
This is what I meant earlier when I said the actual cover could be embossed with the band name. Or some thing like it.
Now THAT would be amazing!!!
Eh, I'm sorry, but I think it looks a lot better without the band name there. Sorry.
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No, I don't think it will sound like Systematic Chaos, because that was more of a "heavy but fun" album. I think this could very easily be a lot like Awake combined with a little of something like Black Clouds & Silver Linings.
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Eh, I'm sorry, but I think it looks a lot better without the band name there. Sorry.
Actually, I agree with you! No sorries. :lol
I was just speculating on the empty space below.
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Eh, I'm sorry, but I think it looks a lot better without the band name there. Sorry.
Actually, I agree with you! :lol
I was just speculating on the empty space below.
:lol Alrighty then!
Everyone is saying that this album seems like it will be really heavy... I'm feeling more of a super proggy vibe, based on these titles. I feel like it can be dark without being heavy. If it is heavy, I'm feeling more of an Awake vibe than a Systematic Chaos vibe.
This. I'm getting a really strong Pink Floyd vibe from the cover and song titles.
I'd also like to point out that "dark" doesn't automatically equal "heavy." For example, Jackson Browne's Late for the Sky is a pretty dark and depressing album, but it's a pretty 'light' sounding rock album.
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Ok, let's see it from another point of view. It's gonna be their gayest album easily.
Seriously, I don't think it's gonna be as heavy as you're expecting. It is supposed to be some sort of DT's essence, it can't be purely heavy, it has to have a lot of prog. I can see a fusion of SFAM and Awake.
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Paradox of the Black Light sounds interesting.
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The artwork is pretty cool, definitely doesn't need the band name on there. The majesty symbol does bother me a bit, as soon as I saw the cover I thought it looked a bit...off. Certainly an Awake feel coming from this album.
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The album cover sucks. Period.
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Overall I'm pretty psyched by this new album. The album titles are far better than what we saw on SC and BCaSL - hopefully the lyrics match the names of the titles in terms of quality.
As for those of you assuming that the first and/or last tracks will be epics just because they have subtitles for the different sections, need I remind you that Rush's Natural Science had 3 subtitled parts and was about 9 minutes in length and La Villa Strangiato has 12 parts and clocks in at 9.5 minutes. So I wouldn't bank on either of them being epics, tho it is a possibility. I could imagine the guys doing 2 separate songs with subtitled sections and having a different song as an epic, just to screw with the fans.
Regarding the cover art debate, overall I like the artwork or the idea behind it. Kinda reminds me of Testament's New Order album cover. When it was announced that the album was going to be self titled, my gut feeling was that the artwork was going to be relatively simplistic with the Majesty logo taking center stage. I love the idea that the band's name is nowhere to be seen on the cover - they're that confident in their statement of who they are. I still wish the album was untitled rather than self-titled as it adds a little more mystery to it, but I digress... All that said, I fully agree with Blob that using this version of the symbol for official artwork is amateur, as is the image of the globe cutting off at an angle. The idea is fine but the execution is poor, whether done by Hugh Syme (I'm guessing not this time) or someone else. As for those who argue that the logo should be changed over time, that's fine if that had been the case with every album showing some evolving (as is the case with Queensryche's tri-ryche symbol), but to do so now doesn't make sense. Even if they had done so beginning with ADToE, it would have made more sense than to do it at this stage. Thankfully they didn't use the wonky symbol from the crappy DT font (the one with the middle stroke being super thick and the cross strokes not lining up) but this one isn't much better.
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JP: Hey guys, remember how MP always wanted an album cover with just the Majesty logo and something "epic" like the earth in the background and we always said no?
JLB, JMX, JR: Yeah?
JP: *reveals new artwork*
Everyone: *cracks up*
JP: That'll show him!
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While the titles sound a little pretentious, my excitement for this album has undoubtedly risen for this record. While I doubt that it can reach any of the albums in my Holy Trinity, I do think that this will be a very interesting and diverse album and I'm looking forward to hearing it - though I'm still keeping my expectations in check.
I like the cover as well. I doubt that I would have noticed the Majesty thing if Blob hadn't pointed it out, tbh. :lol
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:lol @ the people calling the track titles pretentious. I don't think the context of that word holds much weight when you consider the source of the track titles. DT aren't a bunch of hipsters that bike around the same blocks in Portland all their lives while pretending to be more cultured than they actually are.
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:lol @ the people calling the track titles pretentious. I don't think the context of that word holds much weight when you consider the source of the track titles. DT aren't a bunch of hipsters that bike around the same blocks in Portland all their lives while pretending to be more cultured than they actually are.
Whether they are pretentious or not by definition, I think they are a bit exaggerated and silly, but not so much that it will really bother me. But if you were to compare these titles to, say, any titles off a Radiohead album, they look pretentious. It's a part of prog that I've never liked, but it's a part of who they are, in terms of just general nerdiness :P
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Love the simplicity of the cover. Love the track names even more. Couldn't give a damn about the cover as long as the music kicks serious ASS.
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JP: Hey guys, remember how MP always wanted an album cover with just the Majesty logo and something "epic" like the earth in the background and we always said no?
JLB, JMX, JR: Yeah?
JP: *reveals new artwork*
Everyone: *cracks up*
JP: That'll show him!
:lol
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Regarding the evolution of the logo:
Spock: "For everything there is a first time, Lieutenant. Don't you agree, Admiral?"
Kirk: "Mmm-hmm."
-- "Star Trek II:The Wrath Of Khan", Stardate 8130.4
I'd say the logo belongs to Dream Theater and whether or not it changes or evolves, and when that change occurs is their call to make. Nitpicking it over what amounts to a few dozen pixels of difference from previous versions of it seems a bit....I don't know.....change happens. You can either embrace it and accept it or let it leave skid marks on your backside. ;)
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It would be great to hear some baritone riffs from JP...just saying.
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I LOVE the new album design. I honestly couldn't imagine anything better, it represents a self titled work perfectly.
It also reminds me a lot of the Destiny imagery. :metal
As for the tracks, I would have liked to have seen 10 or more. The more DT write, the more I appreciate their mid length works. I feel that when they write longer songs, they have a tendency to lose direction these days. The names don't mean much to me but some of them sound cool. Emeny Inside of course makes me think of Rush, and Along for the Ride makes me think of Red Barchetta. Then Looking Glass takes me to Symphony X, as does Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire. But these are just coisidental I'm sure.
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It would be great to hear some baritone riffs from JP...just saying.
Hell yea! Been awhile since he busted out the bari
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GTA V and Dream Theater reveal at the same day... this can't be a coincidence.
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I wonder if JP is the only one going to be doing backing vocals on the album or if one of the other band members might take up that role this time around. I know someone had asked Jordan in the past and he never ruled out the possibility of doing it.
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It would be great to hear some baritone riffs from JP...just saying.
Hell yea! Been awhile since he busted out the bari
It would've been more badass if he busted out an 8-string. ah well...
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Seems like JP will do fine with holding down the fort as far as vocals are concerned. Jordan has a nice voice though, probably has perfect pitch, he'd probably be good at it.
Also, when Mike Mangini was touring with Nuno Bettencourt's solo band, he sang backup vocals quite often. There are some good bootlegs out there.
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Ok, this is becoming obvious.
French song title
French-Canadian lead singer
Petrucci wears a coat with a fleur-de-lis on it
This is a concept album about one of the following:
The French Revolution
James LaBrie's ancestors, Les Habitants
The Montreal Expos
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Interesting. My observations:
1. The titles make it seem like there is a concept. Which is unusual, considering the album title does not give any hint of a concept. Unless the band have come up with a story involving their own name.
2. The titles seem more "metal".
Predictions:
Enigma Machine will be the instrumental.
The first and last tracks will be the only ones over 10 minutes. False Awakening Suite around 12-13, Illumination Theory over 20. The other songs will range somewhere between 4 and 9 minutes.
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I don't think the French in the track title is pretentious. I think it's fucking awesome. And I hope there IS singing in French. Canada represent!
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Seems like JP will do fine with holding down the fort as far as vocals are concerned. Jordan has a nice voice though, probably has perfect pitch, he'd probably be good at it.
Also, when Mike Mangini was touring with Nuno Bettencourt's solo band, he sang backup vocals quite often. There are some good bootlegs out there.
Interesting. I didn't know Mangini had ever done backing vocals before. It would be really interesting if both Jordan and Mike started doing backing vocals. I imagine they could do some pretty great things with that.
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I don't think the French in the track title is pretentious. I think it's fucking awesome. And I hope there IS singing in French. Canada represent!
This 100%. I love the French title.
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I'm really not sure how I feel about any of this. I think I need time to process.
The only thing I know for sure is that I really, really like Enigma Machine as a title.
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Fuck I am so sick to death of seeing the word "pretentious" thrown around so often on this forum.
explain to me what makes anything about any details of this album/artwork pretentious? Where is the line of what is pretentious and what isn't? Here's the problem:
when you say something is pretentious, you are essentially saying that the names/artwork etc. don't warrant what they are trying to represent. Not only are we talking about dream theater, a successful progressive metal band, that have been around for 20+ years that make their music epic and somewhat flashy and grandiloquent/theatrical/emotive/whateveradjective etc., but how do these names not warrant what they are trying to represent when you haven't even heard the music yet OR the lyrical content?!
I would sincerely appreciate someone educating me, and others, on this.
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I really recommend viewing this video about the enigma machine. It's really impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2_Q9FoD-oQ
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Personally i think it sounds just as pretentious to say the song titles sound pretentious.
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I REALLY enjoy the idea of the False Awakening Suite.
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'Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire'. Seriously DT?
Very Symphony X. I like it.
This will likely be a symphonic overture
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So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks. https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705 (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
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And let's ask ourselves, in which song will we listen to the transcribed MIDI section? :D
My vote is for the opening one.
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Maybe Setlist Scotty is correct (why isn't he a VIP anyway?), and the song with the most subparts is the instrumental. Just like Rush did with La Vila Strangiato. No lyrics, but lots of parts in a crazy way.
Just to give some balance to my theory: it would be strange to have the opener or closer be the instrumental.
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I think Enigma Machine, because both "enigma" and "machine" kind of embody what DT is, instrumentally. Shallow reasoning, I know, but I stick to it!
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Ok, this is becoming obvious.
French song title
French-Canadian lead singer
Petrucci wears a coat with a fleur-de-lis on it
This is a concept album about one of the following:
The French Revolution
James LaBrie's ancestors, Les Habitants
The Montreal Expos
Warren Cromartie better be mentioned in the lyrics! WWRD
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Personally i think it sounds just as pretentious to say the song titles sound pretentious.
exactly how I feel.
So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks. https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705 (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.
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So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks. https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705 (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.
That's funny because I'm the complete opposite. Octavarium, ACOS and SDOIT (the Score version) are some of my favorite Dream Theater songs precisely because they're so long and complex and yet they have these wonderful themes and melodies running through them. Every time I listen to them and I hear an echo of the main melody it's like seeing an old friend again. I can't explain it but it's amazing. It's just interesting how people listen to music differently. :biggrin:
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So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks. https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705 (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.
For the most part, I tend to really like the longer songs. But that being said, when an album is just a collection of a few long songs (e.g. Black Clouds), the listening experience gets tedious and old pretty quickly, especially if a couple of those tracks don't click with me. Having a more diverse album in terms of song length, which means more songs, and some long, medium, and shorter tracks tends to be a more enjoyable listening experience, which is one of the reasons ADTOE really worked for me. Normally, I don't get all that excited just from a track listing. But the number of tracks + this info from Roadrunner has me pretty happy.
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Probably 8VM, ACOS and SDOIT are among the best ranked DT songs out there because their musical quality is indeed overwhelming. But, ever since Train of Thought some of DT's long songs have suffered of formula and cyclic writing. That's the reason I don't enjoy ITPOE as much as the other epics, I think part 1 is fantastic and the best thing that exists in Systematic Chaos (that's not a big accomplishment), but part 2 drags a hell lot. I really like the idea of DT toning their song lengths down a bit because it makes them make super strong songs that fit in short periods of time, which is something I miss from the Awake/FII days. On the other hand, the existence of a 20+ minute epic on the record is a way of saying "don't worry, we're not going anywhere. We know you like songs long and epic, so here you have".
This is the most pumped I've been for a DT release ever since Systematic Chaos. The only difference is that I don't think this is going to let me down.
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I remember it like it was yesterday - the day ADTOE came out, as soon as I listened to it all the way through, my first thought was "holy shit, I can't wait til the next one!"
I can't believe that time is actually upon us now...
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So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks. https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705 (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.
For the most part, I tend to really like the longer songs. But that being said, when an album is just a collection of a few long songs (e.g. Black Clouds), the listening experience gets tedious and old pretty quickly, especially if a couple of those tracks don't click with me.
Yeah, specifically on Black Clouds, what happened with me was, I wound up not really like 2-3 of the songs, which unfortunately meant I wound up not really liking half of the album in retrospect and I rank it pretty low now.
I would say I dislike 2 songs on ADTOE, but it doesn't seem at all like such a big deal.
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I should probably have qualified all my posts by saying I've only been an actual fan of DT for a few months. I've known about them for a while and had a few of their albums but I hadn't ever sat down and actually listened to their music until fairly recently. Oh well. I'M CATCHING UP NOW!
All this talk about longer epic tracks has made me listen to ACOS again. Passing my last hour at work. :lol
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So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks. https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705 (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.
For the most part, I tend to really like the longer songs. But that being said, when an album is just a collection of a few long songs (e.g. Black Clouds), the listening experience gets tedious and old pretty quickly, especially if a couple of those tracks don't click with me. Having a more diverse album in terms of song length, which means more songs, and some long, medium, and shorter tracks tends to be a more enjoyable listening experience, which is one of the reasons ADTOE really worked for me. Normally, I don't get all that excited just from a track listing. But the number of tracks + this info from Roadrunner has me pretty happy.
This.
BCSL made me happy just for a few weeks, because it got tedious very quickly. ADTOE was way more dynamic in every way.
And looking at the tracklist, this album seems to be even more dynamic than the last 3 albuns.
Couldn't be more excited!
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I've realised something that was somewhere in the back of my mind when I first read the announcement.
Enigma Machine and Illumination Theory sound like melodeath song titles.
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That's funny because I'm the complete opposite. Octavarium, ACOS and SDOIT (the Score version) are some of my favorite Dream Theater songs precisely because they're so long and complex and yet they have these wonderful themes and melodies running through them. Every time I listen to them and I hear an echo of the main melody it's like seeing an old friend again. I can't explain it but it's amazing. It's just interesting how people listen to music differently. :biggrin:
I agree with you on ACOS. Octavarium (the track) I can only listen to start to finish when i'm in the mood and i've got the time on my hand, which is a rare occasion for me. I disagree that SDOIT is considered a single piece of music, even though it's structured(?) that way. That's probably my favorite DT disc EVER for exactly the reason I stated previously.
For the most part, I tend to really like the longer songs. But that being said, when an album is just a collection of a few long songs (e.g. Black Clouds), the listening experience gets tedious and old pretty quickly, especially if a couple of those tracks don't click with me. Having a more diverse album in terms of song length, which means more songs, and some long, medium, and shorter tracks tends to be a more enjoyable listening experience, which is one of the reasons ADTOE really worked for me. Normally, I don't get all that excited just from a track listing. But the number of tracks + this info from Roadrunner has me pretty happy.
I agree, and am excited about the diversified song lengths we are supposedly getting this time around. Black clouds is a prime example of how an album can suffer with only longer songs: I never have an incentive to listen to the shattered fortress, nightmare to remember or the best of times (let alone bits and pieces of those), and i'm left with count, wither and arop.
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I keep thinking that this really doesn't look like the track list of a Dream Theater album to me.
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That's funny because I'm the complete opposite. Octavarium, ACOS and SDOIT (the Score version) are some of my favorite Dream Theater songs precisely because they're so long and complex and yet they have these wonderful themes and melodies running through them. Every time I listen to them and I hear an echo of the main melody it's like seeing an old friend again. I can't explain it but it's amazing. It's just interesting how people listen to music differently. :biggrin:
I agree with you on ACOS. Octavarium (the track) I can only listen to start to finish when i'm in the mood and i've got the time on my hand, which is a rare occasion for me. I disagree that SDOIT is considered a single piece of music, even though it's structured(?) that way. That's probably my favorite DT disc EVER for exactly the reason I stated previously.
I see what you're saying about SDOIT. And perhaps I'm wrong when I think of it as one song, but for some reason that's how my brain interprets it.
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When it comes to DT albums, do you find you can listen to them out of order or can you only listen to them all the way through? I find that I'm still very much in the stage where I mainly listen to the entire album all the way through although sometimes I'll listen to songs out of order. I ask because I assume I'll be the same way with DT12 as well and I was wondering if I'm in the minority. I kind of feel like these albums are an experience and so far I'm under the impression that DT12 will absolutely be the same way.
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So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks. https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705 (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.
For the most part, I tend to really like the longer songs. But that being said, when an album is just a collection of a few long songs (e.g. Black Clouds), the listening experience gets tedious and old pretty quickly, especially if a couple of those tracks don't click with me. Having a more diverse album in terms of song length, which means more songs, and some long, medium, and shorter tracks tends to be a more enjoyable listening experience, which is one of the reasons ADTOE really worked for me. Normally, I don't get all that excited just from a track listing. But the number of tracks + this info from Roadrunner has me pretty happy.
This is essentially what I was trying to articulate earlier in relation to song lengths...so thank you.
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When it comes to DT albums, do you find you can listen to them out of order or can you only listen to them all the way through? I find that I'm still very much in the stage where I mainly listen to the entire album all the way through although sometimes I'll listen to songs out of order. I ask because I assume I'll be the same way with DT12 as well and I was wondering if I'm in the minority. I kind of feel like these albums are an experience and so far I'm under the impression that DT12 will absolutely be the same way.
Initially, and probably for several years, after their individual releases, yes. After 25 years (more now?) of listening to them I'm more able to listen on shuffle.
[edit] Except SFaM. I must listen to that as one piece.[/edit]
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I can't not see the cut image of the earth (thanks blob!) the tracklist is very different and unique, sounds like a very experimental album. I would prefer the DT text on it at least once...
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When it comes to DT albums, do you find you can listen to them out of order or can you only listen to them all the way through? I find that I'm still very much in the stage where I mainly listen to the entire album all the way through although sometimes I'll listen to songs out of order. I ask because I assume I'll be the same way with DT12 as well and I was wondering if I'm in the minority. I kind of feel like these albums are an experience and so far I'm under the impression that DT12 will absolutely be the same way.
I do both. I love listening to DT albums all the way through, but I listen to songs out of order all the time as well.
As for the new album, I'll definitely listen to it from start to finish when I first get it, obviously. After that, it could go one of two ways: if there are any songs on the album that stand out from the others as definite favorites in my mind, I'll probably go back and listen to those out of order; if the album feels really cohesive and consistent in quality, then I'll listen to it all the way through again.
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I do both. I love listening to DT albums all the way through, but I listen to songs out of order all the time as well.
As for the new album, I'll definitely listen to it from start to finish when I first get it, obviously. After that, it could go one of two ways: if there are any songs on the album that stand out from the others as definite favorites in my mind, I'll probably go back and listen to those out of order; if the album feels really cohesive and consistent in quality, then I'll listen to it all the way through again.
Initially, and probably for several years, after their individual releases, yes. After 25 years (more now?) of listening to them I'm more able to listen on shuffle.
[edit] Except SFaM. I must listen to that as one piece.[/edit]
Ha! I feel justified now. I was having this conversation with a friend and he thought I was crazy for liking to listen to the entire album all the way through. Clearly I'm not as crazy as he thought I was!
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You should know that we probably aren't best batch of people to judge craziness against. I mean, we're awe- and handsome and pretty witty and stuff like that, but sane? I mean, we ARE on a DT message board. :laugh:
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I see what you're saying about SDOIT. And perhaps I'm wrong when I think of it as one song, but for some reason that's how my brain interprets it.
Well, it is one song. But it is an unusual song in that the different movements are musically very independent of one another. Other than the fact that the major themes are previewed in the overture and the About To Crash reprise, there are fewer reprises and common musical threads that run throughout the song than you might find in other long epics. Add to that the fact that the band decided to add courtesy track breaks to separate each movement and the fact that they have played discreet movements rather than the entire song many times on tour, and I completely get why it feels a bit like separate songs rather than one song with separate movements. But it absolutely is one song, so you aren't wrong by any stretch in feeling that way.
With the two songs on the new album that have multiple movements, I can't help but wonder whether either of them will be in the vein of Six Degrees or whether they will both be more "traditional" epics in the way they are structured.
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Ok, this is becoming obvious.
French song title
French-Canadian lead singer
Petrucci wears a coat with a fleur-de-lis on it
This is a concept album about one of the following:
The French Revolution
James LaBrie's ancestors, Les Habitants
The Montreal Expos
:lol :lol :lol Being from Montréal you made me spill my 'Belle Gueule' (beer brand) on my screen :rollin
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Additionally...Live, Die, Kill is going to be 80's Metallica sounding me thinks. Like a combo of TTTSTA And Constant Motion but with a thashier vibe.
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You should know that we probably aren't best batch of people to judge craziness against. I mean, we're awe- and handsome and pretty witty and stuff like that, but sane? I mean, we ARE on a DT message board. :laugh:
Yeah after I posted that I was like, huh maybe I am a bit crazy. After all I read through 100+ pages of the last thread and decided to join in! :biggrin:
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Ha! I feel justified now. I was having this conversation with a friend and he thought I was crazy for liking to listen to the entire album all the way through. Clearly I'm not as crazy as he thought I was!
I do not recommend using DTF as a measure of sanity. :lol
That being said, I think it's perfectly normal to listen to full albums from start to finish. I think it's a little odd if you never listen to single songs out of order, but, hey - whatever works for you!
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I see what you're saying about SDOIT. And perhaps I'm wrong when I think of it as one song, but for some reason that's how my brain interprets it.
Well now that I think about it, I usually do play this album as a single piece of music, and I suppose it is technically one song; but yeah it's also essentially an 8 track record. Each track really comes into its own though, each one distinct and with their own personality: Evoking a different emotion/mood in the listener, and having varying sonic scope. In that sense they feel separated, despite how each track seamlessly flows into each other. It's a 40-ish minute disc that has more depth than Systematic chaos or BC&SL, or heck even both of them put together... AND it's still feels very DT too!
SDOIT is a prime example of why one should be excited for the upcoming album: a concise DT mixed with a lengthy DT is a killer formula for impending awesomeness.
EDIT: bosker ninja'd what I was saying but was more eloquently articulated. the force is indeed strong with him...
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Additionally...Live, Die, Kill is going to be 80's Metallica sounding me thinks. Like a combo of TTTSTA And Constant Motion but with a thashier vibe.
The title would certainly suggest that. I get a similar vibe. ...which means we are probably dead wrong. :lol
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I do not recommend using DTF as a measure of sanity. :lol
That being said, I think it's perfectly normal to listen to full albums from start to finish. I think it's a little odd if you never listen to single songs out of order, but, hey - whatever works for you!
Well not NEVER, just less often. I personally can't listen to the entirety of BC&SL but Wither is one of my favorite songs of all-time, so that one gets a lot of play. Also TCOT was one of the first Dream Theater songs I ever heard (I think the absolute first one was Panic Attack on RB2), so occasionally I play that one for nostalgia's sake.
Also Wait for Sleep, because that piano is the most beautiful thing in the world. :hefdaddy
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SDOIT is a prime example of why one should be excited for the upcoming album: a concise DT mixed with a lengthy DT is a killer formula for impending awesomeness.
Exactly! If DT12 reaches the same level of creativity and complexity and depth and... other adjectives I can't think of, then I will be one happy camper. We already know it's going to be rich and chocolatey, so that's a good start!
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I try not to keep my expectations super high, but I just can't help it this time!
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SDOIT is a prime example of why one should be excited for the upcoming album: a concise DT mixed with a lengthy DT is a killer formula for impending awesomeness.
Exactly! If DT12 reaches the same level of creativity and complexity and depth and bass, then I will be one happy camper.
FTFM
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Additionally...Live, Die, Kill is going to be 80's Metallica sounding me thinks. Like a combo of TTTSTA And Constant Motion but with a thashier vibe.
The title would certainly suggest that. I get a similar vibe. ...which means we are probably dead wrong. :lol
Most likely. Before ADTOE came out I was expecting LNF to be a beautiful, emotional song, mourning the loss of someone and it turned out to be a shred fest! :lol
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Additionally...Live, Die, Kill is going to be 80's Metallica sounding me thinks. Like a combo of TTTSTA And Constant Motion but with a thashier vibe.
The title would certainly suggest that. I get a similar vibe. ...which means we are probably dead wrong. :lol
Yep, probably a ballad section lol.
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I'm not expecting false awakening to be all that long, 13-14 minutes tops. Standard DT fair.
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I'm also trying to keep my expectations toa reasonable level. If it's a bit better than ADTOE I will be a happy fan :metal
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I know early on that people were complaining about the change in the logo but how many times have Rush changed the style of their name ever so slightly and how many times did this doofus write the different logos all over the place (Notebooks, walls "In the bathroom halls...."), plus buying the different concert T-Shirts?! Great marketing really.
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Whatsername, I really am the same as you, I very rarely listen to individual songs. I almost always put an album on, or I might sometimes put a band's whole collection on random shuffle.
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So there are 9 songs with 17 track names. Some of the songs are under 5 minutes long. I have to wonder what the significance of this is. :justjen My guess is that the tracks under five minutes are in the False Awakening Suite and Illumination Theory sub parts.
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So there are 9 songs with 17 track names. Some of the songs are under 5 minutes long. I have to wonder what the significance of this is. :justjen My guess is that the tracks under five minutes are in the False Awakening Suite and Illumination Theory sub parts.
This isn't the impression I have. I think the multi-movement songs are one track each.
I could be wrong, though. That's just the way it looks to me.
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FAS can't be too long. They wouldn't open with an epic, that's why they cut ITPOE in half. What I got from the podcast is that some of the "regular" songs will be shorter, not the sub-parts of FAS or IT.
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FAS can't be too long. They wouldn't open with an epic, that's why they cut ITPOE in half. What I got from the podcast is that some of the "regular" songs will be shorter, not the sub-parts of FAS or IT.
Why not?
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I would guess because it's very hard for anything to follow it. Imagine if 8VM had another song after the title track or if BCSL had another song after The Count.
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It depends if the epic works as an opener or a closer. In the case of 8VM, it works best as a closer, but they could have very well written a 20-minute song that actually works as an opening song well.
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I don't think a DT album, pre-release, has ever excited me so much.
Track names intriguing? Check.
Ridiculously out of character album cover? Check.
I'm in. :metal :metal
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The album cover sucks. Period.
nice reasoned argument there!!
for the record I really like it.
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It's difficult not to be impressed with the confidence they're showing about this album. I know they always make it sound like their new album is going to be their best, but... I don't know. I feel like a self-titled album with a simple cover featuring the band logo front and center is really making a very big statement about the quality of the music. Combine that with Mike Mangini saying the album is seven times better than anything he's ever recorded...
Again, I know that them feeling good about the album doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to like it as much as they do, but... Well. Like I said, it's just difficult not to be impressed with their confidence.
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I don't think a DT album, pre-release, has ever excited me so much.
Track names intriguing? Check.
Ridiculously out of character album cover? Check.
I'm in. :metal :metal
Exactly. I've read so many comments here on this and that and I bet none of them pan out. This is a new Dream Theater in my book. The cover is simple as it should be, but who cares! The song titles are great IMO and I see them flowing into some type of sembelance. I'll just sit back, wait and enjoy it when it comes out unless it's a disco or rap album!
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When SC came out, JP and MP said many times that they didn't want an epic to be the first track, because it would sort of cut the flow of the record right from the beginning. So they cut it in two parts in order to avoid a very long track kinda stalling the listeners before they get to the rest of the record.
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How much was the ADTOE box set? I'd imagine this one would be about the same
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Maybe this is well known, but out of curiosity, does LaBrie speak French?
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When SC came out, JP and MP said many times that they didn't want an epic to be the first track, because it would sort of cut the flow of the record right from the beginning. So they cut it in two parts in order to avoid a very long track kinda stalling the listeners before they get to the rest of the record.
For the record, this doesn't necessarily mean that they still feel the same way now. I'm not betting on FA (why not? We may as well start abbreviating early...) being a huge epic, but I don't see any reason why it couldn't be.
Speaking of abbreviations, has anybody pointed out that Illumination Theory will be abbreviated as IT?
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One thing I have learned is not to try to figure out much about DT songs from their titles.
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One thing I have learned is: Trust hefdaddy42 in all things.
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EXACTLY!
One thing I have learned is not to try to figure out much about DT songs from their titles.
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FAS can't be too long. They wouldn't open with an epic, that's why they cut ITPOE in half. What I got from the podcast is that some of the "regular" songs will be shorter, not the sub-parts of FAS or IT.
"A Nightmare To Remember" would have a word with you, as would "The Glass Prison".
Also, as I said earlier in the thread, just because FAS has 3 movements with individual titles doesn't mean it's going to be an EPIC in the length-sense. Remember how "The Killing Hand" has five movements but is only about 9 minutes long? I don't expect FAS to be longer than 10 minutes, but at least 7, with each movement being about 2-3 minutes long.
As for IT, I expect it to be working title "Epic" from the Progress Chart, and to be about 20-22 minutes long, enough for Side 4 of the Double LP vinyl album. I also hope that they ordered the songs in a way that is also conducive to 4 sides of the vinyl, meaning the song lengths for the tracks fit into the sides well. Here's my guesses...
Side 1 ~21 minutes
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE ~9 minutes
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE ~5 minutes
3. THE LOOKING GLASS ~7 minutes
Side 2 ~17 minutes
4. ENIGMA MACHINE ~5 minutes
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE ~12 minutes
Side 3 ~20 minutes
6. BEHIND THE VEIL ~7 minutes
7. SURRENDER TO REASON ~4 minutes
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE ~9 minutes
Side 4 ~20 minutes
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY ~20 minutes
Total ~78 minutes
-Marc.
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So when the album comes out, there will be a single song called False Awakening, divided into parts? Or will there be multiple songs that form the suite, a la Mind Beside Itself?
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Maybe this is well known, but out of curiosity, does LaBrie speak French?
I saw him on a french canadian show, he knows a couple of words, understand a little bit but cannot speak really.
'The letter M', I think that you might not be too far, this is a good guess.
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I thought they stated it was a 9 track album.
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9 tracks, meaning the songs with movements will NOT be indexed into their separate parts as tracks, a la "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence"...this is, of course, assuming they know the difference between TRACKS and SONGS when it comes to albums.
SDOIT has 6 SONGS, but really has 13 TRACKS across it's two discs.
Either way, I still expect FAS to be what was known as "YARGGG"/Opener, and still be completely instrumental. Opening with a 7-10 minute instrumental to set the tone of the album, especially with a new member FULLY INTEGRATED into the writing process, would be a bold statement... AND it is something they have never done before, but would be completely welcome with MM on board. Perhaps only PART of the song is instrumental, but I'd expect at least one of its three movements to be lyric-less.
In addition to FAS, at least one other track will be completely instrumental, and as for the "Easter Egg", I assume it'll be on the album, but it won't be listed in the official press releases as such. It's an EASTER EGG...meaning we'll hear it as we get the album. No one will know what it is, have an official name for it, but it'll be on there and it'll be JR/JP just doing what they do best.
-Marc.
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Just checked thst the initials for each song don't clash with another and off the top of my head they don't :tup
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9 tracks, meaning the songs with movements will NOT be indexed into their separate parts as tracks
Probably, but not necessarily. In the general sense, people often use "track" and "song" interchangeably unless there is a specific reason to use one or the other.
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The more I look at this cover, the more I see the cut of the world, it just seems like a piss poor attempt..
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Thr more I look at this cover, the more I see the cut of the world, it just seems like a piss poor attempt..
I really don't think it's the final product though. I don't see that being released. I'm sure they'll touch up on it!
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I don't think a DT album, pre-release, has ever excited me so much.
Well, later on in a band's career, you can be excited for their new upcoming albums, but chances are, their music isn't going to have as much discovery and adventure as their earlier works. The later works usually refine what the band had already developed. But in this case, it really does seem like the album will be a lot more adventurous, and knowing that Mike Mangini was allowed to go crazy on it, is even more reassuring. So yeah, it's a time for excitement!
9 tracks, meaning the songs with movements will NOT be indexed into their separate parts as tracks
Probably, but not necessarily. In the general sense, people often use "track" and "song" interchangeably unless there is a specific reason to use one or the other.
But the movements themselves aren't numbered, so I'm pretty sure they'll be combined onto one track. Usually the tracks are numbered the way the numbers would show up on a basic CD player, meaning the numbers themselves represent the tracks. Unless the actual back of the CD changes the numbering from what we've been given.
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1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE - A Mind Beside Itself Suite
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE - Innocence Faded
3. THE LOOKING GLASS - The Mirror
6. BEHIND THE VEIL - Lie
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY - Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Am I doin it right? :biggrin: Am I unveiling what could be the beggining of the Awake/DT12 comparison theories?
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Well...I've finally found out the news, and am very excited! :metal
While I'm not a huge fan of the cover, the tracklisting seems pretty good.
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Thr more I look at this cover, the more I see the cut of the world, it just seems like a piss poor attempt..
I really don't think it's the final product though. I don't see that being released. I'm sure they'll touch up on it!
So do I! It's really clear without brightness up! I'm just concerned as they released it as album art.... If they edit it I really hope they add the DT text...
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Yeah, honestly I like the concept, but that's all it is. A little more refinement, especially on the earth(?) would turn this from a fan-made cover* into a pretty slick looking cover that pops a bit more.
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE - A Mind Beside Itself Suite
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE - Innocence Faded
3. THE LOOKING GLASS - The Mirror
6. BEHIND THE VEIL - Lie
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY - Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Am I doin it right? :biggrin: Am I unveiling what could be the beggining of the Awake/DT12 comparison theories?
I think we can hold off until we hear the music, though it would definitely spark some heated discussion if there were some glaring comparisons to be made.
What will probably happen is somebody will post a long list of plausible (but a stretch) comparisons, people getting angry defending the band, people getting angry defending their musical knowledge, PC perpetually talking about how DT aren't the band he thought they were, and Bosk1 handing out warnings and threatening (and probably using) the banhammer on occasion, etc.
:neverusethis:
*No offense given to the great fan-made work here, as quite a bit is more thought out than some official releases.
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So DT 13 will their pop album and DT 14 will be their Prog Rock Opus.
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Cover....eh...too black & white for me. The purple logo over the earth would be a lot better.
Has DT ever done a "performance video" (like Evenflow or Wherever I May Roam)? It would be good for a second single, just film a concert. Better than a "lyric video" I think.
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I am deeply excited for the whole album, but False Awakening Suite and Illumination Theory are VERY interesting to me. I suppose I'm always a bit more excited for the longer tracks, but I'm starting to sense that this might be something very special.
The wait continues...
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Really shocked by the reactions.
I think the album cover is absolutely AMAZING! To have the band name on it, would completely RUIN it. It's awesome exactly as it is.
It is one of the best album covers I have EVER seen from Dream Theater. I think it's the best since Train of Thought (which I've decided is my favorite).
The track titles....I'm not that thrilled about. I especially dislike the title of the epic, so I hope it will grow on me. But the album cover is **SO** good, that it dispels any reservations I may have about the song titles.
The new Majesty logo is incredible, and I would even say it is a vast improvement. I'm really stoked for this.
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What is so different about the majesty symbol on this particular cover that makes it so offensive to some of our posters? I've been staring at it and a picture of the old majesty symbol for a few minutes and I can't make out any appreciable difference. :lol
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I like the cover, myself. Prolly shouldn't talk as a noob -- but it looks cool and classy to me.
And WOW!!! You guys are so PASSIONATE about it all!!! :eek :omg: :eek How is it more important than what the music sounds like...which no one has even heard, yet???
This is a fascinating social study. :corn
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I'm neutral about the cover, it's absolutely boring, but it's not bad either.
Tracklist sounds radular though.
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My main issue with the cover art is that I have no clue how to make it into an interesting forum theme right now.
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How about show the clown riding into a burning star?
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Elephant balancing on top of it?
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Question: does the phrase 'Illumination Theory' come from anywhere? Like, is it some scientific principle I'm not familiar with, or did they just make it up?
And WOW!!! You guys are so PASSIONATE about it all!!! :eek :omg: :eek How is it more important than what the music sounds like...which no one has even heard, yet???
It isn't more important than the music. But we don't have the music yet, and until we do, you can bet that people here will analyze the hell out of what we do have. :lol
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How about show the clown riding into a burning star?
:rollin
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My main issue with the cover art is that I have no clue how to make it into an interesting forum theme right now.
Just keep the BTS one, it's the only one I'll need :)
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Just checked thst the initials for each song don't clash with another and off the top of my head they don't :tup
Not a clash, but one of them gets pretty close: ALONG FOR THE RIDE
AFTR
ANTR
***Also, VERY EXCITED about DT12!!!
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And WOW!!! You guys are so PASSIONATE about it all!!! :eek :omg: :eek How is it more important than what the music sounds like...which no one has even heard, yet???
It isn't more important than the music. But we don't have the music yet, and until we do, you can bet that people here will analyze the hell out of what we do have. :lol
:lol
Have fun with it. It's a riot to read. It's just never occurred to me to be so "involved" in an album cover! ;)
Hope it sounds good.
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My main issue with the cover art is that I have no clue how to make it into an interesting forum theme right now.
Just keep the BTS one, it's the only one I'll need :)
Don't worry. All existing themes will remain available. The only reason we don't have the old pre-ADTOE themes is because the old themes are not supported by the new forum software upgrade.
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What live album?
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Idea for joke = :justjen
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Idea for joke = :justjen
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:neverusethis:
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The thing that makes me a bit excited for this is how unusual it is for the band. The titles aren't what you'd expect, the album art is certainly not what you would expect, and for me, that makes this whole venture a bit refreshing. I feel as though there's potential for this album to be a classic.
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"Illumination Theory" sounds like it's going to be incredibly epic.
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I like the album art and think its neat they dropped the DT text and went wih the chromed out Majesty symbol. This is a 'self titled' album that seems to have come full circle with no real 'title', only the symbol that has come to represent 'Dream Theater'.....selected when they were 'Majesty'
As far as track names...could care less if they were called 'Song 1...and so on' or if they picked out if the ordinary abstract combination words like they've done. I'm willing to wager this album is going to make a lot of people happy.
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From an outsiders perspective...
Both my wife and my step son said it looked like a teaser poster for a really major sci-fi epic film...like this generation's "2001".... They meant it in a good way. They both thought the cover was really cool.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuw-25y6GC4
^^I remember watching this two years ago, and completely losing my mind from excitement. They definitely need to do something similar for DT12, having a brief track by track description. :metal :metal
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I see a lot of people aren't happy with us criticizing the album cover :lol Agree or disagree, that's what a forum is for. This place would be boring if there weren't people that call it like it is :biggrin:
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I see a lot of people aren't happy with us criticizing the album cover :lol Agree or disagree, that's what a forum is for. This place would be boring if there weren't people that call it like it is :biggrin:
I love you...
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In the grand scheme of things, the album cover means very little to me. I don't think it's awful, I just don't really care for it. As I said before, it doesn't make me any less excited to hear the album for the first time :tup
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I really dig the concept of the album cover, but I hope they fix that out of focus earth lying on the background. It looks very amateur-ish.
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Love the album cover and the song titles. Can't wait!
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Christ, I miss a lot when I don't come to DT side, don't I?
Two songs with multiple movements (which of course means little overall, but it suggests these will be the two longest songs) and a pretty snazzy album cover to boot. This really has STATEMENT OF INTENT written all over it. Can't wait for the first song/samples/hell even song lengths. :metal
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Question: does the phrase 'Illumination Theory' come from anywhere? Like, is it some scientific principle I'm not familiar with, or did they just make it up?
My guess is that it could be S.Augustin of Hippo theory of illumination
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminationism
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Hello, how are you? I think the cover art is very minimal, which adds to the mystery of how the album will sound. I do not know why, but the cover art also reminds me of "The Dark Side of the Moon".
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Hello, how are you? I think the cover art is very minimal, which adds to the mystery of how the album will sound. I do not know why, but the cover art also reminds me of "The Dark Side of the Moon".
Hello and welcome! I am fine thanks for asking.
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Hello, how are you? I think the cover art is very minimal, which adds to the mystery of how the album will sound. I do not know why, but the cover art also reminds me of "The Dark Side of the Moon".
Hello, I'm doing well, how about yourself? I agree with all the points you've made. I love the minimalist look, as I think too many of DT's album covers are unnecessarily cluttered. And if this album has anywhere close the the same tone atmospherically of Dark Side of the Moon, I'd be thrilled. I'm ready for something a little more 'out there'.
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Hello, how are you? I think the cover art is very minimal, which adds to the mystery of how the album will sound. I do not know why, but the cover art also reminds me of "The Dark Side of the Moon".
Hello and welcome! I am fine thanks for asking.
Hello, how are you? I think the cover art is very minimal, which adds to the mystery of how the album will sound. I do not know why, but the cover art also reminds me of "The Dark Side of the Moon".
Hello, I'm doing well, how about yourself? I agree with all the points you've made. I love the minimalist look, as I think too many of DT's album covers are unnecessarily cluttered. And if this album has anywhere close the the same tone atmospherically of Dark Side of the Moon, I'd be thrilled. I'm ready for something a little more 'out there'.
Thanks! I'm fine too.
If this album has anywhere close to a more progressive and climatic mood, it will be a classic, for sure.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuw-25y6GC4
^^I remember watching this two years ago, and completely losing my mind from excitement. They definitely need to do something similar for DT12, having a brief track by track description. :metal :metal
I remember this one. Watched it a few times over when it came out. Nostalgic watching it again after I've known everything for a couple years. I still remember saying "OMG BRIDGES IN THE SKY HAS AN 'ETHNICAL' BREAKDOWN OMG OMG" :lol
Of course, now that the tracklist's out, details of the album's music are going to start trickling out every so often. And I'll freak out over every single one. Color me excited.
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WHOA! Great news!
Tracklist looks amazing! But I don't like the cover art too much.
Somehow I get this "Texas Ranger" -vibe from the promo pic :D
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I see a lot of people aren't happy with us criticizing the album cover :lol Agree or disagree, that's what a forum is for. This place would be boring if there weren't people that call it like it is :biggrin:
I love you...
And this is one of the more intelligent and lively forums I've been a part of. All this is great! :tup
I just don't have a lot of geeked out people in my life so this is interesting. :)
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the cover art is different. and change is definitely good
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Yep i've totally just noticed that earth cut off thing on the cover...
and as much as I am an avid supporter of the awesome concept that is this cover.... that is horrid :lol
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Damn it......that's all I'm gonna look at now!
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Yep i've totally just noticed that earth cut off thing on the cover...
and as much as I am an avid supporter of the awesome concept that is this cover.... that is horrid :lol
NUGGETZ!
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WOW.. DT12 give me that shieeet !!!!!
I like the cover..what more do you need for the self-titled album ! Album to me sounds really (SDOIT vs Awake) dark-heavy-proggy..thats all I need ! :metal :metal :metal
When do we get single hm hm?
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I see some cloud creatures directly above the majesty symbol. One looks like an old man frowny face and the one to the right of that one looks like a cat face. There's also one to the left of the old man looking one, but it's more subtle. There's actually four cloud creatures in total that I can see. Wild, wild stuff.
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I see some cloud creatures directly above the majesty symbol. One looks like an old man frowny face and the one to the right of that one looks like a cat face. There's also one to the left of the old man looking one, but it's more subtle. There's actually four cloud creatures in total that I can see. Wild, wild stuff.
And yet you don't see that earth cut off line that cuts through from the leftmost edge of the cover into the logo?
I don't usually care about album art, but I will say that, assuming the music is really good, listening to awesome music that you have been desperately waiting for, that came with poor quality cover art, is kind of like eating a gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake with just the right amount of icing... on a paper plate using a plastic fork...
I really hope they fix it, although it won't be the end of the world if they don't... even though it really kinda is... :neverusethis:
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I hope they call the tour the 'Dream Theatour'. That would be such a win. :lol
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I see some cloud creatures directly above the majesty symbol. One looks like an old man frowny face and the one to the right of that one looks like a cat face. There's also one to the left of the old man looking one, but it's more subtle. There's actually four cloud creatures in total that I can see. Wild, wild stuff.
And yet you don't see that earth cut off line that cuts through from the leftmost edge of the cover into the logo?
I don't usually care about album art, but I will say that, assuming the music is really good, listening to awesome music that you have been desperately waiting for, that came with poor quality cover art, is kind of like eating a gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake with just the right amount of icing... on a paper plate using a plastic fork...
I really hope they fix it, although it won't be the end of the world if they don't... even though it really kinda is... :neverusethis:
Never said I didn't see that. In fact, if you turn up your brightness you will see that it's more than that. It's like looking through a window or something. It cuts down, then across through the logo then back up, then to the left a bit more to parallel the left side of the (window?). There's also some other curves at the bottom right of the window that are subtle brown/grey colors with serrated edges....plus the cloud creatures. There's something too all this. It can't be a mistake (in my opinion).
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I see some cloud creatures directly above the majesty symbol. One looks like an old man frowny face and the one to the right of that one looks like a cat face. There's also one to the left of the old man looking one, but it's more subtle. There's actually four cloud creatures in total that I can see. Wild, wild stuff.
And yet you don't see that earth cut off line that cuts through from the leftmost edge of the cover into the logo?
I don't usually care about album art, but I will say that, assuming the music is really good, listening to awesome music that you have been desperately waiting for, that came with poor quality cover art, is kind of like eating a gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake with just the right amount of icing... on a paper plate using a plastic fork...
I really hope they fix it, although it won't be the end of the world if they don't... even though it really kinda is... :neverusethis:
Never said I didn't see that. In fact, if you turn up your brightness you will see that it's more than that. It's like looking through a window or something. It cuts down, then across through the logo then back up, then to the left a bit more to parallel the left side of the (window?). There's also some other curves at the bottom left of the window that are subtle brown/grey colors with serrated edges. There's something too all this. It can't be a mistake in my opinion.
It's the edge of the stock image that was used, hence the honking square corner. The lines are at an angle because it was rotated. It is a mistake, clear and simple.
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I see some cloud creatures directly above the majesty symbol. One looks like an old man frowny face and the one to the right of that one looks like a cat face. There's also one to the left of the old man looking one, but it's more subtle. There's actually four cloud creatures in total that I can see. Wild, wild stuff.
And yet you don't see that earth cut off line that cuts through from the leftmost edge of the cover into the logo?
I don't usually care about album art, but I will say that, assuming the music is really good, listening to awesome music that you have been desperately waiting for, that came with poor quality cover art, is kind of like eating a gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake with just the right amount of icing... on a paper plate using a plastic fork...
I really hope they fix it, although it won't be the end of the world if they don't... even though it really kinda is... :neverusethis:
Never said I didn't see that. In fact, if you turn up your brightness you will see that it's more than that. It's like looking through a window or something. It cuts down, then across through the logo then back up, then to the left a bit more to parallel the left side of the (window?). There's also some other curves at the bottom left of the window that are subtle brown/grey colors with serrated edges. There's something too all this. It can't be a mistake in my opinion.
It's the edge of the stock image that was used, hence the honking square corner. The lines are at an angle because it was rotated. It is a mistake, clear and simple.
Well that sucks. At least there's the cloud creatures. :lol
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Never said I didn't see that.
I can see it clearly in your avitar through my monitor, and assumed you loved it as much as I did before I noticed it, and hence set it as your pic to denote your love for it :lol
Its really freaking good other than that.
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I hope they call the tour the 'Dream Theatour'. That would be such a win. :lol
I now want this to happen with all of my heart.
Also, I think they avoided writing the band name all together due to fear of incurring the wrath of Blob if it was the wrong font :lol
Seriously though, it sucks that the Majesty logo is so disproportionate from how it should look. As someone who doesn't really see much of a difference, it doesn't bother me, but I get how it could be quite annoying to someone that could see it.
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I'm also in the camp that now can't unsee the ridiculous cut-off for the planet.
Damn you, Blob!
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It gets really visible when you invert the image:
(https://imageshack.us/scaled/large/51/7mns.jpg)
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At first I thought the cover looks cool, but now I can't unsee the cut-off, either. Damn! :lol
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)
This really accentuates the compression artifacts I saw in the original on the light. It looks like it has been scaled up from a lower resolution, too, given the size of the artifacts, but Blob might have to confirm or deny that for me since I'm not really into graphic design or anything. But that's what it looks like to me, it's both compressed too much and zoomed in too far.
Couldn't Hugh Syme find a better stock image than this to use? Cut off horribly at the bottom, low resolution and blown up, compressed to hell... :facepalm:
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The artifacts are just compression artifacts from being a jpg file brightened up, not because of the stock image used.
I've just started my own quick mockup of my idea of a "better" cover. Only just started this, and keep in mind this is from scratch, not editing the existing image. Only an hour or two of work in this.
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_cover.jpg)
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Already better than Syme's.
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A lot better
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I hope they call the tour the 'Dream Theatour'. That would be such a win. :lol
Totes :D
I love all the new people in the thread already :heart
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Oh, yeah, that's way better blob! I love the diamond ring effect!
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Thank god youre doing that blob. Please post your final version here if you can. I was afraid i was going to have to fix all this stuff myself just to get a nice album cover . And that would have taken forever with my minimalistic photoshop skills. Your version already looks a million times better lol
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I hope they call the tour the 'Dream Theatour'. That would be such a win. :lol
That was actually my idea:
Dream Theater will be tourning in support of Dream Theater. Groovy.
"Dream Theatour" :P
Great to see so many new people here - welcome, everyone! :)
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Oh, yeah, that's way better blob! I love the diamond ring effect!
That's just a lens flare orb.
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Oh, yeah, that's way better blob! I love the diamond ring effect!
That's just a lens flare orb.
Reproducing a diamond ring effect :D https://diamondringeffect.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/DiamondRingEffect.jpg
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Have a feeling that the cover is a hoax and the real cover will be unveiled when we get closer to the album release. To me it looks more like a wallpaper than a albumcover
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Holy shit blob, that's amazing.
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That's a lot better, Blob.
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At this point I still like the original better than Blob's, but when he's done I'll make my final choice on what option I chose for the album in my phone!
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Love the album cover, except for the already pointed out cut-out mistake. But at least I love the idea.
Like the track list too. Might sound a bit unusual at first but just like always I'll accept them as legit DT titles after a while. Can't wait for Illumination Theory, sounds awesome. I'm also excited about getting tracks with movements again. Since ADToE has no songs like that and BC&SL only has The Shattered Fortress which is like 0% original music we haven't really had a song with movements since Systematic Chaos.
Also, I am now exactly one album-cycle into my presence here on this forum. My first post was just after the track listing for ADToE was released in which I said I got a strong FII vibe from the song titles. This time I can't really think of another DT album that these titles remind me of, which is good.
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The only thing I think the original does better than Blob's right now is the bright spot in the upper left corner.
Blob's is a lens flare that cuts horizontally all the way across the cover.
I assume it's supposed to be the Sun or something, so I think the light should radiate concentrically.
But other than that, super awesome job.
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I don't see any problem with the original artwork. It is what it is. :facepalm:
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And yet you don't see that earth cut off line that cuts through from the leftmost edge of the cover into the logo?
I don't usually care about album art, but I will say that, assuming the music is really good, listening to awesome music that you have been desperately waiting for, that came with poor quality cover art, is kind of like eating a gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake with just the right amount of icing... on a paper plate using a plastic fork...
Well, to be fair, a paper plate and a plastic fork has never in my life prevented me from enjoying gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake...
Dammit, now I want cake!
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the original is def. more consistent and nicer to me ...
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We don't have any info about the packaging, but if the artwork is presented in a matte background with a glossy logo, maybe embossed, then i have my favorite DT cover art. I like the concept, but i'm not so sure i will like the final result.
Track list looks very promising. I am really hyped now.
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An ugliest artwork than ADTOE and SC ??
YES THEY DID!! :tup
But if the artwork's "poverty" is inversely proportional to the quality of the music, this should be a fucking great album :metal :yarr!!
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The artifacts are just compression artifacts from being a jpg file brightened up, not because of the stock image used.
I've just started my own quick mockup of my idea of a "better" cover. Only just started this, and keep in mind this is from scratch, not editing the existing image. Only an hour or two of work in this.
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_cover.jpg)
Lens Flare! Blob, of course you did. :lol
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JJ Blob :lol
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On top of the Earth they need a clown riding a unicycle. :yarr
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Those song titles are fucking amazing.
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I really like the concept of the artwork, the execution is kinda sloppy though, with very little attention to detail. Except the reflection on the Majesty symbol, I love that, it's perfect
The tracklist ist just what it has been the last few times... it gets the speculative mind going - probably without ever getting close to what breed of song the track will eventually turn out to be. There are a few cool titles and I'm sure we'll have a lot of fun finding possible connections.
I'm slightly annoyed that BlobVanDam tackled an updated version of the cover preview before I could start working on one and pretty much did exactly what I would have tried to do, especially making the planet and the light more realistic and clean. :\ But then again... saved some time and I don't need to do it anymore, so thx! :D
I guess I'll have Blob's planet with a slightly reduced lens flare and his original shaped Majesty logo but glistening with the chrome texture and reflection of the version DT gave us. Oh and I would also add the band's name in the same chrome texture. And some chocolate cake for dessert.
And then bug DT until they use it. :xbones
The cover of course.
Not the cake.
My cake!
Greetings...
Nef
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Those song titles are fucking amazing.
They aren't DTlike but they sound fucking epic.
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Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.
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I don't see any problem with the original artwork. It is what it is. :facepalm:
The only thing I'd change from the original is the cut-off. I prefer the look of the new Majesty logo and the more subdued look for the whole thing.
Also, I cannot understand why anyone would want to add the band name onto the cover. It'd only take away from how great the cover looks IMO.
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Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.
I'm not getting the hate over a band daring to do a minor redesign of their symbol. As if it, or the band logo, or any aspect of their graphic design, has to remain static and eternal. I'm actually more amused that for a time people were threatening to call this the Purple Album because of that artwork on their FB page a few weeks ago. And redoing it to be better, then adding the hilarity of lens flare, just is the icing on this "prog nerds gotta nitpick" cake.
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The idea for the album cover is really good, but it is a little sloppy.
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Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.
I'm not getting the hate over a band daring to do a minor redesign of their symbol. As if it, or the band logo, or any aspect of their graphic design, has to remain static and eternal. I'm actually more amused that for a time people were threatening to call this the Purple Album because of that artwork on their FB page a few weeks ago. And redoing it to be better, then adding the hilarity of lens flare, just is the icing on this "prog nerds gotta nitpick" cake.
It's not about the logo staying the same, it's about the new design looking bad. I actually redesigned the logo for my go at the cover, but it still retains the elements of the original design that make it look nice.
And nobody was "threatening" to call the album the purple album, people just wanted a more distinctive and cool name than...... well, none at all. Just like the black or white album.
I love how every criticism that someone doesn't agree with is suddenly nitpicking.
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Those song titles are fucking amazing.
Yes, incredible.
OK, I was working yesterday and I'm not going back through 19 pages.
What exactly are the issues with the artwork? What's all this about the world being "cut"? How exactly is the Majesty symbol different?
I don't get it.
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Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.
I'm not getting the hate over a band daring to do a minor redesign of their symbol. As if it, or the band logo, or any aspect of their graphic design, has to remain static and eternal. I'm actually more amused that for a time people were threatening to call this the Purple Album because of that artwork on their FB page a few weeks ago. And redoing it to be better, then adding the hilarity of lens flare, just is the icing on this "prog nerds gotta nitpick" cake.
It's not about the logo staying the same, it's about the new design looking bad. I actually redesigned the logo for my go at the cover, but it still retains the elements of the original design that make it look nice.
And nobody was "threatening" to call the album the purple album, people just wanted a more distinctive and cool name than...... well, none at all. Just like the black or white album.
I love how every criticism that someone doesn't agree with is suddenly nitpicking.
Because it is nitpicking. :lol I'm willing to admit I'm nitpicking too with my thoughts on others' recommendations to change the cover and with your take on it too. Having said that, I'm interested in seeing how yours turns up.
Still doesn't change the fact that we're all nitpicking here. :tup
Those song titles are fucking amazing.
Yes, incredible.
OK, I was working yesterday and I'm not going back through 19 pages.
What exactly are the issues with the artwork? What's all this about the world being "cut"? How exactly is the Majesty symbol different?
I don't get it.
You don't want to know. Seriously. Get out and save yourself while you can, TAC! :lol
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I totally wouldn't have noticed the difference between the logos if someone didn't point it out. I do think the one on the new album cover looks better than the old one though, so I'm more than happy with that. The logo has always been pretty cool, but the new version just makes it look "right".
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Those song titles are fucking amazing.
Yes, incredible.
OK, I was working yesterday and I'm not going back through 19 pages.
What exactly are the issues with the artwork? What's all this about the world being "cut"? How exactly is the Majesty symbol different?
I don't get it.
There's an image posted 2-3 pages back outlining all of it, scan for that. I don't want to repost it.
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Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.
I'm not getting the hate over a band daring to do a minor redesign of their symbol. As if it, or the band logo, or any aspect of their graphic design, has to remain static and eternal. I'm actually more amused that for a time people were threatening to call this the Purple Album because of that artwork on their FB page a few weeks ago. And redoing it to be better, then adding the hilarity of lens flare, just is the icing on this "prog nerds gotta nitpick" cake.
It's not about the logo staying the same, it's about the new design looking bad. I actually redesigned the logo for my go at the cover, but it still retains the elements of the original design that make it look nice.
And nobody was "threatening" to call the album the purple album, people just wanted a more distinctive and cool name than...... well, none at all. Just like the black or white album.
I love how every criticism that someone doesn't agree with is suddenly nitpicking.
Because it is nitpicking. :lol I'm willing to admit I'm being nitpicky too with my thoughts on others' recommendations to change the cover and with your take on it too. Having said that, I'm interested in seeing how yours turns up.
Still doesn't change the fact that we're all nitpicking here. :tup
While we are focusing on every tiny detail here, I don't agree that it's all nitpicking. Sure, maybe I'm making it sound like a bit of a bigger deal than it is, but nitpicking implies that it doesn't matter, but to me the presentation of the album matters as part of the whole package, and to me that Majesty logo is truly hideous, and instantly different compared to the old one, no matter how much I get used to it. I don't have a problem with them updating the logo, except that the new logo isn't an improvement imo.
Of course it doesn't affect the quality of the music (hell, IaW has an awful cover, but the album is still amazing), but to me it's still part of the identity of the album, and loving the band as much as I do, I care enough to want their releases to be as good as they can be, in every aspect. :tup
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Nevermind ..
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Bad idea to discuss about possible leaks and link to them.
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Bad idea to discuss about possible leaks and link to them.
Just asking if this is a fake ..
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Someone's gonna get shouted at!
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For the sake of your permanence here, remove the link as fast as you can. ;)
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Generally speaking, isn't it a rather large coincidence that files with track names on them only get leaked immediately after the official track list is revealed? This would have been much more convincing had it been uploaded at any point prior to yesterday's announcement.
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Hi guys.
My very first impression about the tracklist and the cover album yesterday, was soon splitted to rush's "hemispheres"
the tracklist composition and the 35th anniversary of this album, gave me a road about the DT " inspiration corner"..I like the cover, I hoped in a simple coverart just with the DT font and a black background, and here it is!
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Generally speaking, isn't it a rather large coincidence that files with track names on them only get leaked immediately after the official track list is revealed? This would have been much more convincing had it been uploaded at any point prior to yesterday's announcement.
Precisely, and the dude only joined youtube yesterday.
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That edge cut off to me just looks like the way a ray of light can hit your eye and get cut off like that. None of you have seen this before when looking at some lights?
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Well, I didn't notice the cut until somebody inverted the colors. It's sloppy, yeah, but it's not outrageously evident, come on! :biggrin:
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The question is if it's noticeable in the print, and i don't think it will be.
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It's not about the logo staying the same, it's about the new design looking bad. I actually redesigned the logo for my go at the cover, but it still retains the elements of the original design that make it look nice.
It's all subjective. I like the new design better, and consider nothing about the old one nice. I'm also a professional artist, so it's not about having an eye for it or not.
That edge cut off to me just looks like the way a ray of light can hit your eye and get cut off like that. None of you have seen this before when looking at some lights?
To me it looks like the artist took a stock image where the planets highlight was on an angle, and rotated the image to make the planet horizontal.
The question is if it's noticeable in the print, and i don't think it will be.
Bingo, we have a winner. Most people have their monitors set too brightly. Mine are pretty much calibrated to sRGB and I can still see it a little...
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Well, I didn't notice the cut until somebody inverted the colors. It's sloppy, yeah, but it's not outrageously evident, come on! :biggrin:
That depends on the device you're using to view it. I'm using quite a high brightness setting for my screen and with that the cut is clearly visible even without modifications to the image.
I really hope, it isn't visible on the final cover -- even though I'm not exactly a graphics nut, this little issue really bothers me quite a bit. :lol
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Hi all! I love having this forum to read on the train ride to work. Makes my commute much more enjoyable. :biggrin:
Well, I didn't notice the cut until somebody inverted the colors.
This. And the sad thing is I have an associate's degree in graphic design, so it's pathetic I didn't notice it. :facepalm: Still, it isn't evident on my phone, so I'm okay with it for now. I do hope that they touch it up more simply because for those people who have a brighter display and will see the seam. I have a two monitor spread here at my job and on the one the gamma is turned up much higher and I can see the line. On my phone it's fine though so I'm not particularly concerned.
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Well, I didn't notice the cut until somebody inverted the colors. It's sloppy, yeah, but it's not outrageously evident, come on! :biggrin:
That depends on the device you're using to view it. I'm using quite a high brightness setting for my screen and with that the cut is clearly visible even without modifications to the image.
I really hope, it isn't visible on the final cover -- even though I'm not exactly a graphics nut, this little issue really bothers me quite a bit. :lol
I didn't notice it at ALL on first inspection, and thought it looked super badass. Now it's blatantly protrusive to my eyes. I cannot NOT see it.
Track titles have me incredibly hyped for this though...
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Good that we cannot turn up the gamma on the final print. ;)
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And it will be 12x12 cm and probably barely noticeable.
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Good that we cannot turn up the gamma on the final print. ;)
Hey, with advanced to technology and medicine, that might end up being a possibility at some point.
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Well, I didn't notice the cut until somebody inverted the colors. It's sloppy, yeah, but it's not outrageously evident, come on! :biggrin:
Indeed. Lets blow up the pic - whack up the brightness and invert it and point out any small errors that most people don't care about and you probably won't even see on the final cd booklet sized pic.
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On the other hand, i find it a subpar delivery for a probably very well paid job... I like the concept, but if i were a professional, given the zillions of planetary wallpapers available on the internet, i would have taken a lot more care.
Even if it works on the print, there will be images on the web, and as a graphic designer he should be aware that most of the people crank up the brightness and contrast on the monitors.
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Generally speaking, isn't it a rather large coincidence that files with track names on them only get leaked immediately after the official track list is revealed? This would have been much more convincing had it been uploaded at any point prior to yesterday's announcement.
Precisely, and the dude only joined youtube yesterday.
I feel I should address this now.
Discussion of leaked DT material, even hinting at its existence, is strictly forbidden here. Yes, there are likely to be lots of fake leaks over the next couple of months, particularly given yesterday's announcement of artwork and tracklisting, and yes it's very fun to mock them for how unrealistic they are. But there is a reasonable probability of a real leak at some point nearer to the release, and so from this point on we don't want to see any discussion of possible/fake leaks either.
Just stick with things that are officially released. If you do that, you'll be fine.
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Well, I don't like the cover. But I don't hate it either. I imagine the "Dream Theater" logo will be along the left-hand hinge/tray bit?
But I love the way people thing they know what the songs will sound like based on nothing but the title. It'll be interesting to see how right or wrong they are... :yarr
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That cutoff thing really bugs me now :\
And Along For The Ride reminds me of The Count Of Tuscany. I hope we won't get at TCOT part 2 lyric wise.
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ARIICH YOU ARE MY HERO
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I think the cutoff was made on purpose.
And I'm looking forward to understand why... :loser:
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It's a reference to Pull Me Under and its sudden cutoff :justjen
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I like the cover. The proportions on the majesty logo do not bother me at all. It is still clearly and distinctively the majesty logo. The cutoff does not bother me either. On a physical album cover, I doubt you would even be able to see it. The problem is, we are looking at it on computer monitors, and that some of you apparently have your brightness turned up to where it is obvious. On my settings, I can't even see it.
That said, I like Blob's version quite a bit.
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It's a reference to Pull Me Under and its sudden cutoff :justjen
:rollin
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There must be some reason for having the planet/earth/orb (whatever it is) on the cover as opposed to just the Majesty logo by
itself. They never do anything w/o thinking about it. I'm sure it will tie into the theme somehow.
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I think the cutoff was made on purpose.
And I'm looking forward to understand why... :loser:
If it's Hugh Syme, I wouldn't be too surprised if it was just laziness. However this thought had also occurred to me. If that's the case, it'd remind me a little bit of Genesis' Trespass, when the artist made a large cut through the original painting after the band had added in the song 'The Knife'. However, I wouldn't say that it's all that effective in this case.
Then again, some epic detail might be revealed where the cutoff represents something from the lyrics and completely change opinions on the whole thing. :lol
There must be some reason for having the planet/earth/orb (whatever it is) on the cover as opposed to just the Majesty logo by
itself. They never do anything w/o thinking about it. I'm sure it will tie into the theme somehow.
I'm guessing two things:
- The band wanted the cover artwork for this album to be similar in nature to the cover artwork for Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon
- It ties into lyrics from the album, possibly Illumination Theory, based on the light at the left side of the cover.
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Was it actually confirmed that Hugh Syme did the artwork?
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Was it actually confirmed that Hugh Syme did the artwork?
As far as I know, no it wasn't.
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There must be some reason for having the planet/earth/orb (whatever it is) on the cover as opposed to just the Majesty logo by
itself. They never do anything w/o thinking about it. I'm sure it will tie into the theme somehow.
Just like the unicyclist tied into the theme on ADTOE
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As a new DT fan I feel I'm allowed to ask, did Hugh Syme do the artwork for all the previous albums, or were there any other artists?
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As a new DT fan I feel I'm allowed to ask, did Hugh Syme do the artwork for all the previous albums, or were there any other artists?
Hugh Syme has done all of DT's album covers from Octavarium onwards. Fairly sure he didn't do any prior to that.
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There must be some reason for having the planet/earth/orb (whatever it is) on the cover as opposed to just the Majesty logo by
itself. They never do anything w/o thinking about it. I'm sure it will tie into the theme somehow.
Just like the unicyclist tied into the theme on ADTOE
Yes, actually. Considering the album was going to be called 'Bridges in the Sky' first, the unicyclist on the rope high up in the sky fit with the theme very well. Only when DT decided to use BITS as the song title, instead of 'The Shaman's Trance', which it was called originally and changed the album title to ADTOE, the rope was made to be broken, tying in with the new album title.
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It's a really good bet that Hugh did the cover.
But if it was indeed Hugh, then I gotta admit, he's probably reaching a state of irreversible laziness.
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There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well? Am I gathering this properly or is that just my perception?
Also, which album do you think has the best art?
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There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well?
I wouldn't go that far. I think it's more that a subset of fans who post on an Internet forum don't like his art.
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There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well?
I wouldn't go that far. I think it's more that a subset of fans who post on an Internet forum don't like his art.
Ah okay. Because I never had a complaint about the album art. I would say some of it wasn't especially good but some of them I really like. That's why I figured I'd ask. :)
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There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well? Am I gathering this properly or is that just my perception?
On the contrary, I personally think Hugh Symes has made some downright fantastic artwork for a lot of great albums in the past. Some of my all time favorite album covers were done by him. But in recent years, especially for the more recent DT albums, he seems to have lost his touch a bit.
Also, which album do you think has the best art?
Definitely 6DoIT. However, I'm also loving the look and concept of the new cover too. I'm only hoping that the cutoff is fixed by the time the end product comes out.
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There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well?
I wouldn't go that far. I think it's more that a subset of fans who post on an Internet forum don't like his art.
I think it is more accurate to say that he appears less committed on the artwork he has done for DT than for the bigger-named acts for whom he has produced album art.
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The artifacts are just compression artifacts from being a jpg file brightened up, not because of the stock image used.
I've just started my own quick mockup of my idea of a "better" cover. Only just started this, and keep in mind this is from scratch, not editing the existing image. Only an hour or two of work in this.
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_cover.jpg)
Really not a fan of this, sorry.
The logo now looks really flat, and the outline on the upper portion of the logo doesn't look correct.
The lens flair detracts from the composition and washes out the entire image.
The only improvement to me is the image used for the planet.
I appreciate the time you put into it though. I just happen to love the cover the way it was.
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I've enjoyed reading all the commentary in this thread over the course of the last 24 hours. Funny to see how heated people can get over the artwork. Blob obviously takes this kind of thing seriously, understandably given his own background, so I understand why he would react the strongest. It's been interesting to see everyone else's reactions though. I myself never even cared enough to look at the past majesty logo to the point where I could distinguish between the two now. Of course, now that it has been pointed out, I can see the differences pretty clearly. I still don't care, and I'm surprised by the amount of people who do. I'm not critiquing, it's just curious.
Another thing I've found interesting is all the comments stating that the tracklist doesn't feel very Dream Theater esque. While I understand that these comments come from a place of great excitement, I can't say I agree. Besides the obvious French movement title, the only other title that doesn't feel very 'Dream Theater' to me is Enigma Machine which is, by the way, a really cool name IMO. The rest of the track names seem very much fitting for the kind of music Dream Theater produces, and the names they've used in the past. Maybe someone can clear this up for me, but I could see these names being stuck into any of Dream Theater's past albums and not seeming out of place in the slightest (with the obvious exception of SFAM)
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I find it funny that criticizing the cover automatically makes you a prog nerd :lol It reminds me of when I read somewhere that anyone that doesn't like ADToE is a Portnoy fanboy. Seems like the people defending the album cover are getting more heated than those criticizing it if you ask me.
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^ Or that not liking Systematic Chaos and BC&SL means that you "don't understand music". That one was fun.
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I myself haven't defended or critiqued it. Personally, I like the way it looks from my very superficial perspective, and will just leave it at that. Different strokes for different folks.
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As a new DT fan I feel I'm allowed to ask, did Hugh Syme do the artwork for all the previous albums, or were there any other artists?
Hugh Syme has done all of DT's album covers from Octavarium onwards. Fairly sure he didn't do any prior to that.
Time for some history!
Images and Awake were done by Larry Freemantle, who is not Hugh Syme, but managed to do a pretty good imitation. I don't know if Freemantle has had much of a career doing album art since then.
FII was created by Storm Thorgerson who is a huge name and who's done so many great album covers, from both classic and modern bands alike. I'm pretty sure he's dead now, unfortunately.
Dave McKean did SFAM. He's a pretty well-respected artist. Not sure who did SDOIT.
Jerry Uelsmann did Train of Thought. I just looked that up. BTW, he also did the intro to The Outer Limits, which is a cool tidbit for people who pointed out the similarities a few days ago.
Since then, it's been all Hugh Syme.
There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well?
I wouldn't go that far. I think it's more that a subset of fans who post on an Internet forum don't like his art.
I think it is more accurate to say that he appears less committed on the artwork he has done for DT than for the bigger-named acts for whom he has produced album art.
Yeah, although I'm under the impression that he sends artwork and DT just choose from it, so I'm not sure how that works.
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Dangarang, you guys. Now the album art looks like crap to me. :lol
Hopefully the jpg artifacts are from the facebook upload compression or something, and I hope they fix that cut off.
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Thanks to PC for the facts!
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Can I just quietly say that I love the cover art for Octavarium and Systematic Chaos :-X
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FII was created by Storm Thorgerson who is a huge name and who's done so many great album covers, from both classic and modern bands alike. I'm pretty sure he's dead now, unfortunately.
That's too bad, FII has always been my favorite DT cover
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There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well? Am I gathering this properly or is that just my perception?
Also, which album do you think has the best art?
He does great art, but sometimes he doesn't execute as well as he used to. He did almost every Rush album cover, and those are some amazing covers.
The art for the new DT album is great, but that cut off should be fixed because, you know... it's kind of visible.
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Can I just quietly say that I love the cover art for Octavarium and Systematic Chaos :-X
Me too! I think they're among DT's better ones, even with the little flaws. I really didn't like BCASL or ADTOE's covers though.
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Time for some history!
Images and Awake were done by Larry Freemantle, who is not Hugh Syme, but managed to do a pretty good imitation. I don't know if Freemantle has had much of a career doing album art since then.
FII was created by Storm Thorgerson who is a huge name and who's done so many great album covers, from both classic and modern bands alike. I'm pretty sure he's dead now, unfortunately.
Dave McKean did SFAM. He's a pretty well-respected artist. Not sure who did SDOIT.
Jerry Uelsmann did Train of Thought. I just looked that up. BTW, he also did the intro to The Outer Limits, which is a cool tidbit for people who pointed out the similarities a few days ago.
Since then, it's been all Hugh Syme.
Dung Hoang did SDoiT. He's still active and his work is still awesome. SDoiT is my favorite DT album design by far.
https://www.shaolinfury.com/category/journal/ (https://www.shaolinfury.com/category/journal/)
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Good info on the album covers, guys. I am putting that information into the FAQ thread. For completeness, does anyone know who did the ones for WDADU and ACOS? I am assuming ACOS is Freemantle, but I don't know for sure.
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Can I just quietly say that I love the cover art for Octavarium and Systematic Chaos :-X
Octavarium is still my favorite of theirs despite its flaws. :)
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Good info on the album covers, guys. I am putting that information into the FAQ thread. For completeness, does anyone know who did the ones for WDADU and ACOS? I am assuming ACOS is Freemantle, but I don't know for sure.
I can chec linear notes later. I think DTs label at the time did all that stuff in house. I think.
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Good info on the album covers, guys. I am putting that information into the FAQ thread. For completeness, does anyone know who did the ones for WDADU and ACOS? I am assuming ACOS is Freemantle, but I don't know for sure.
According to the Wikipedia article about him Storm Thorgerson did the ACOS cover.
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Can I just quietly say that I love the cover art for Octavarium and Systematic Chaos :-X
Octavarium is still my favorite of theirs despite its flaws. :)
I also love the art for Octavarium. I also really like ToT and ADTOE, but I'm not looking at them with a critiquing eye. I just find them visually the most appealing.
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Good info on the album covers, guys. I am putting that information into the FAQ thread. For completeness, does anyone know who did the ones for WDADU and ACOS? I am assuming ACOS is Freemantle, but I don't know for sure.
According to the Wikipedia article about him Storm Thorgerson did the ACOS cover.
From the ACOS booklet:
Cover Concept: Mike Portnoy
Art Direction: Larry Freemantle
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You guys are crazy.. I've always thought every single DT cover was incredibly great except for having to see the shirtless guy on WDADU. Every cover has such fantastic concept, and is put across perfectly well.
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Just seems like Syne's work (at least for DT) is getting so lazy, less detail in them these days... They don't seem as descriptive or ambitious and they are decreasing on both of them each time...
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According to Lifting Shadows, the cover for WDADU was done by New York artist Amy Guip.
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Well, in all fairness the ACOS cover looked nothing like any work by Storm Thorgerson ;D
I guess I like FII the most, but it's really close. On some other day I could have said TOT, or even Images!
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Don't you think the band fed him the concept and asked for something minimalist...and upon seeing it loved it signed off on it?
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I wonder if "Along For the Ride" is the instrumental. Sounds like a good title for a crazy instrumental that jumps around everywhere
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I wonder if "Along For the Ride" is the instrumental. Sounds like a good title for a crazy instrumental that jumps around everywhere
the title makes me think of a Dixie Dregs song, or some kind of fusiony song from Chick Corea or Dave Weckl.
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Really not a fan of this, sorry.
The logo now looks really flat, and the outline on the upper portion of the logo doesn't look correct.
The lens flair detracts from the composition and washes out the entire image.
The only improvement to me is the image used for the planet.
I appreciate the time you put into it though. I just happen to love the cover the way it was.
All of this.
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Some of the titles are pretty lol, but honestly, who cares? We like DT for what the songs sound like, not how pretty the cover looks. It's cool to have standards and whatever, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not going to affect your choice to buy the album or not the way the actual songs will. And they're not going to change the names or artwork because a bunch of people on the internet start bitching about it.
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There's really only a few titles over the past decade that I'm not fond of, usually because of being too generic or too awkward:
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
This is the Life
The Best of Times
Constant Motion
The Answer Lies Within
I Walk Beside You
Panic Attack
I think the only one of the new ones that sounds a little awkward is False Awakening Suite. The "Suite" should have been dropped, or something.
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Some of the titles are pretty lol, but honestly, who cares? We like DT for what the songs sound like, not how pretty the cover looks. It's cool to have standards and whatever, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not going to affect your choice to buy the album or not the way the actual songs will. And they're not going to change the names or artwork because a bunch of people on the internet start bitching about it.
This 100% :tup
Come on people. Stop bitching and whining. We're all starting to sound like a bunch of children who asked for cake and got cookies instead. Artwork is a done deal. Every time I come to the forum and see more people saying how the artwork isn't what they'd hope for, that they really don't like it, or that they could have done a better job, all I'm hearing is Never Enough. The lyrics are very fitting for how we the fans are behaving right now.
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Are we really gonna quibble about some of these song titles supposedly sounding pretentious? I mean, this is the same band that named one of their albums Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :lol :lol
Besides, if the song titles were too ordinary, then people would bitch about them sounding too vanilla. It's not like anything on this album immediately sounds as blatantly absurd as The Count of Tuscany. :lol
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Some of the titles are pretty lol, but honestly, who cares? We like DT for what the songs sound like, not how pretty the cover looks. It's cool to have standards and whatever, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not going to affect your choice to buy the album or not the way the actual songs will. And they're not going to change the names or artwork because a bunch of people on the internet start bitching about it.
This 100% :tup
Come on people. Stop bitching and whining. We're all starting to sound like a bunch of children who asked for cake and got cookies instead. Artwork is a done deal. Every time I come to the forum and see more people saying how the artwork isn't what they'd hope for, that they really don't like it, or that they could have done a better job, all I'm hearing is Never Enough. The lyrics are very fitting for how we the fans are behaving right now.
is the new cover art your brand new floor lol
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If Mike Portnoy had still been in the band, we wouldn't be getting an album with subpar album art and 13-year old inspired song names.
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(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_4529_1365520851.jpeg)
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Pretentious
(https://loveisover.me/foolfuuka/boards/v/image/1367/99/1367990348742.jpg)
If Mike Portnoy had still been in the band, we wouldn't be getting an album with subpar album art and 13-year old inspired song names.
12 year old is more likely. :lol
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Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.
Me too (https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/images/smilies/confused-smiley-013.gif)
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Are we really gonna quibble about some of these song titles supposedly sounding pretentious? I mean, this is the same band that named one of their albums Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :lol :lol
Besides, if the song titles were too ordinary, then people would bitch about them sounding too vanilla. It's not like anything on this album immediately sounds as blatantly absurd as The Count of Tuscany. :lol
True! Besides, they could have named it like something a Coheed And Cambria album title would be...throw in a number or two, a colon, a subtitle, parenthesis, maybe an asterisk...then at the very end, just to mess with everyone, throw in "Part 1".
Yeah...
I think the titles are right in the same vein as the band's lat 5 albums. Lots of "The _________" and some interesting ones like "Enigma Machine" (which would've been cooler if they combined it into "Enigmachine" but that's just me) and "Illumination Theory".
If Mike Portnoy had still been in the band, we wouldn't be getting an album with subpar album art and 13-year old inspired song names.
As opposed to what... "Prophets Of War", "In The Presence Of Enemies", "The Dark Eternal Night", "Never Enough", "I Walk Beside You", "A Nightmare To Remember", "The Best Of Times", "Octavarium", "In The Name Of God", etc. etc.
The titles are good, and we can't fully judge their worth until we hear the music and listen to the lyrics. Would "Bridges In The Sky" be taken differently had it kept it's prior name of "The Shaman's Trance"?
-Marc.
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Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.
Me too (https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/images/smilies/confused-smiley-013.gif)
:hifive:
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There's really only a few titles over the past decade that I'm not fond of, usually because of being too generic or too awkward:
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
This is the Life
The Best of Times
Constant Motion
The Answer Lies Within
I Walk Beside You
Panic Attack
I think the only one of the new ones that sounds a little awkward is False Awakening Suite. The "Suite" should have been dropped, or something.
See I find The Best of Times, Constant Motion, and The Answer Lies Within to be nice titles. I agree with you about the others. And I'll probably get used to calling it False Awakening Suite but first impressions are it's a tad awkward to say.
(https://loveisover.me/foolfuuka/boards/v/image/1367/99/1367990348742.jpg)
:rollin
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Well, in all fairness the ACOS cover looked nothing like any work by Storm Thorgerson ;D
Also, Storm Thorgerson refused to use existing fonts/logos. That's why FII and OiaLT don't have the normal DT logo on them.
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Based on what JP said about the new album being self-titled, I wasn't expecting anything different from the actual artwork. It's very clear and simple, like: "we are Dream Theater and that's enough". I have in mind that this art may represent exactly what they meant to show musically speaking...something direct, concise, and new.
That artwork, also reminds me of that "new ground" JP talked about...I'm saying this again: my expectations are very high, Dream Theater never dissapointed me.
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Maybe this art is the slip case, and there will be different art underneath.
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Maybe this art is the slip case, and there will be different art underneath.
Beneath the surface?
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I think the artwork for WDADU was done by someone they grabbed hanging outside the studio.
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I think the artwork for WDADU was done by someone they grabbed hanging outside the studio.
I imagine it isn't one of his fondest memories.
"Hey dad, tell us about the time you were dragged into a recording studio and threatened with a branding iron."
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I LOVE the concept of the cover... but not crazy about the execution... especially after Blob had to go pointing all that out :lol
Also, I do like Blob's version but not sure if I like it better...
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Why does the Earth get cut through the middle? ???
(https://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5373/lqm2.jpg)
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Welcome to the last 17 pages.
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Why does the Earth get cut through the middle? ???
(https://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5373/lqm2.jpg)
Because right below that point was the word SAMPLE.
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hah, Zook. You made a funny.
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Oh yeah, you don't like me. It's cause I'm black isn't it?
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Oh yeah, you don't like me. It's cause I'm black isn't it?
We don't take kindly to you 'round these parts.
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Well I agreed to use a coloreds only sub forum, but you haven't created it yet.
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Would be neat if that album cover flaw caused a delay with the albums release day.
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Maybe this art is the slip case, and there will be different art underneath.
Beneath the surface?
:D
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I hope they call the tour the 'Dream Theatour'. That would be such a win. :lol
That was actually my idea:
Dream Theater will be tourning in support of Dream Theater. Groovy.
"Dream Theatour" :P
Awww I didn't see that! hahaha. Damn.
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Would be neat if that album cover flaw caused a delay with the albums release day.
leave
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Would be neat if that album cover flaw caused a delay with the albums release day.
And then we would complain about the delay that we caused ourselves. :lol
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Would be neat if that album cover flaw caused a delay with the albums release day.
And then we would complain about the delay that we caused ourselves. :lol
That would be amazing devastating
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has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.
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If Mike Portnoy had still been in the band, we wouldn't be getting an album with subpar album art and 13-year old inspired song names.
If Mike Portnoy was still in the band, they'd still be on hiatus for another two years and you wouldn't be getting anything. :yeahright
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Do you think the band knows just how worked up we are over that stupid line in the album cover? lol
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I love the DT12 cover. Just not sure what to think yet about the cutoff.
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The line that seperates the light from the dark is called the Terminator Line. Maybe DT played Bezzerwizzer like I did :)
Fun fact.
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has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.
That is a very good point - has anyone done this? The cut off is so obvious.
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The question is if it's noticeable in the print, and i don't think it will be.
Bingo, we have a winner. Most people have their monitors set too brightly. Mine are pretty much calibrated to sRGB and I can still see it a little...
True, but I just downloaded it, converted the image to CMYK in Photoshop using the standard settings and I'm pretty sure that it WILL be *at least* slightly visible in the printed product. It is most obvious in the black channel, which obviously is the darkest of the colors and therefore where it will be the most telling. Not good.
Here's hoping that the guys in DT will read this thread (I'm betting they have, at least in a cursory fashion), seen Blob's first attempt at redoing the cover art and will replace what they have with whatever his final attempt is. I know there's a snowball's chance in hell of that ever happening, but one can hope.
The cover artwork being somewhat sloppy has been something that I e-mailed MP about each time the (Hugh Syme) art was released, since there were flaws in it, but aside from the 8v artwork (which theoretically wasn't the finished piece anyway), he rebuffed my criticisms/suggestions and said that if the other guys in the band had been aware of what I was saying, that they would have been even more offended, despite the fact that my comments were meant to improve what was already there. Not sure why it was such a big deal, since the DT *is* the customer and when specific flaws are pointed out, they have every right to get them corrected. That's the exact reason why I fixed the artwork when doing stuff for the band, specifically the 20th Anniversary Octavarium art (the ball at the end being the wrong angle) and the Black Clouds and Silver Anniversary poster, and by extension, the new Lifting Shadows book cover art (the shadows being incorrect/missing and the perspective of the majesty symbol being way off).
Anyway, I'm looking forward to see what Blob puts together with some more time - I'm sure it will be even better than his first round attempt, which was a definite step up from what is official.
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has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.
That is a very good point - has anyone done this? The cut off is so obvious.
I actually find it sad that people are getting so worked up by this album art issue that they're even considering the need to speak with DT's record label to address this "travesty"... :facepalm:
Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?
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has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.
That is a very good point - has anyone done this? The cut off is so obvious.
I actually find it sad that people are getting so worked up by this album art issue that they're even considering the need to speak with DT's record label to address this "travesty"... :facepalm:
Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?
It's too fun. I've never seen anything like it! :corn :lol
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There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well?
I wouldn't go that far. I think it's more that a subset of fans who post on an Internet forum don't like his art.
I think it is more accurate to say that he appears less committed on the artwork he has done for DT than for the bigger-named acts for whom he has produced album art.
Yes and no - even some of his art for Rush is a bit poor. I know there's at least 1 or 2 images from Clockwork Angels that looked like they were lowres and were enlarged. And if you look at the tourbook for the last few tours, the design of them pale in comparison to the ones he did from 1994 through 2004. Nevermind the tourbook he did for A Dramatic Tour of Events.
I love Hugh's old artwork, but he definitely has gotten sloppy within the last 5 to 10 years, which really sucks, IMO.
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I actually find it sad that people are getting so worked up by this album art issue that they're even considering the need to speak with DT's record label to address this "travesty"... :facepalm:
Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?
It's too fun. I've never seen anything like it! :corn :lol
Pass the popcorn! :corn This is a wonderful distraction from work.
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nobody noticed it, but in 'Studio ep.1' min. 1.15 we had a preview of the cover on Mangini's pc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIjhQhm1JvU&feature=player_detailpage#t=75s
I know, it's Yes' Fragile ;D....
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Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?
Can we not express our concern over an overlooked flaw that could be easily fixed before it makes it to the manufacturing stage?
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When you guys say "cutoff line" are you talking about the line bisecting the planet? If so it seems to me that it is intentional. Maybe
you are talking about something else I don't see.
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When you guys say "cutoff line" are you talking about the line bisecting the planet? If so it seems to me that it is intentional. Maybe
you are talking about something else I don't see.
The diagonal line as seen here:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)
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has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.
That is a very good point - has anyone done this? The cut off is so obvious.
I actually find it sad that people are getting so worked up by this album art issue that they're even considering the need to speak with DT's record label to address this "travesty"... :facepalm:
Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?
I absolutely HATE when they get hounded over not releasing info and announcements etc. In this particular case, in my opinion, there is an issue of product quality control. Even just typing that, I can see how that can come across as a little farfetched. In reality, someone is getting paid to do a half ass job for something that is essentially going to be purchased by however many thousands of people. By poor quality, I don't mean artistic laziness, I mean laziness of engaging in due diligence and professionalism for something that is considered a luxury good (not in the sense of high price, but in the sense that it's a superior good rather than an inferior good #microeconomicsanddreamtheatercoverwhatismylifeanyway)
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When you guys say "cutoff line" are you talking about the line bisecting the planet? If so it seems to me that it is intentional. Maybe
you are talking about something else I don't see.
The diagonal line as seen here:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)
I honestly thought that was 100% intentional and represented the Terminator line which seperates the light from the dark and I
figured it played into the Illumination Theory in some way. It's far too obvious to be a flaw. Isn't it?
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I took it that way, too, emtee.
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Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?
Can we not express our concern over an overlooked flaw that could be easily fixed before it makes it to the manufacturing stage?
Honest question: As a band, does Dream Theater have so much concern for what the masses think of their album covers?
If so, they are much more down-to-earth than I'd ever imagine a group of "celebrities" (for lack of a better word) would be. As mentioned, I am a very new fan of this band but not of music/musicians in general. I find it interesting that anyone would think they'd care what fans think about such things.
Most folks produce the music/art they want, when they want to, call the songs/titles whatever they wish and charge the prices they please for the privilege.
Maybe DT isn't like that.... ???
Maybe I'm just projecting my signature line.... :-\
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has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.
That is a very good point - has anyone done this? The cut off is so obvious.
I actually find it sad that people are getting so worked up by this album art issue that they're even considering the need to speak with DT's record label to address this "travesty"... :facepalm:
Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?
Firstly, I certainly am not sad and neither am I worked up about it and if nothing is changed then it wont stop me from buying the CD. I do appreciate the information they are releasing but I fail to see what that has to do with the "issue". I can only speak for myself but I would like to think anybody who mentioned it to RoadRunner would be doing it to ask them to see if there is a valid issue and could they improve it before any booklets are printed etc. with a view to improving their end product.
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Honest question: As a band, does Dream Theater have so much concern for what the masses think of their album covers?
If so, they are much more down-to-earth than I'd ever imagine a group of "celebrities" (for lack of a better word) would be. As mentioned, I am a very new fan of this band but not of music/musicians in general. I find it interesting that anyone would think they'd care what fans think about such things.
For the guys in Dream Theater, the Dream Theater band is their livelihood and main source of income.
I think it should be pretty obvious that each member cares about the quality of their brand, and what their fans think of it. I don't think that makes them "typical celebrities" or less worthy of support at all. They are entertainers, not starving artists.
There are people who do create art without any regard for what people think about it, but usually those people have cozy tenured positions in academia for when things don't work out.
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When you guys say "cutoff line" are you talking about the line bisecting the planet? If so it seems to me that it is intentional. Maybe
you are talking about something else I don't see.
The diagonal line as seen here:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)
I honestly thought that was 100% intentional and represented the Terminator line which seperates the light from the dark and I
figured it played into the Illumination Theory in some way. It's far too obvious to be a flaw. Isn't it?
Nah. If it were intentional, I'm sure it would be a bit more evident that this was what was meant. This is just a case of sloppy/hurried artistry, whether done by Syme or not. And as I mentioned before, unfortunately, Syme has gotten sloppy in recent years, which is a pity. So while my gut tells me that this wasn't done by Syme, it's quite possible that it was.
Honest question: As a band, does Dream Theater have so much concern for what the masses think of their album covers?
If so, they are much more down-to-earth than I'd ever imagine a group of "celebrities" (for lack of a better word) would be. As mentioned, I am a very new fan of this band but not of music/musicians in general. I find it interesting that anyone would think they'd care what fans think about such things.
Not sure what the band thinks of discussions like this and whether it would be enough for them to get the cover art fixed or reworked. I know they certainly were concerned about what the masses thought of their Live Scenes From New York artwork so that they replaced the burning apple (with the NY skyline in flames) with a majesty symbol, but this is different.
But I'm sure they appreciate the fact that their fans are rabid enough to notice the little details like this. Of course it would be difficult, if not impossible for them to cater to every fan's wish, but when it comes to something like this, which is clearly a mistake and caught before the manufacturing stage, one would hope they'd take it to heart and realize it's a matter of the fans caring, not being a bunch of nitpicks.
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Well put and points taken, Scotty and PC!
Thank you! :)
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Sing something?!?!
The one thing that worries me is that we will have minimal James LaBrie lyrical contributions again and even though JP's lyrics were excellent on ADTOE, I really don't see the harm in giving James just ONE or ideally TWO more opportunities to write lyrics.
Secondly about the album cover, I haven't been keeping up with this thread too much because there is just too many posts but I will say this.
A) *Normally* I get really fed up with the sheer amount of criticism and nitpicking people do to DT. Conversation and opinions are fine but when people start portraying their ideas as fact (i.e. I know better than DT) it really gets annoying.
B ) That said, I really hope they fix the cover art. I mean, I didn't notice it at first...it looked pretty cool but everyone is right, that diagonal "cut" is really glaring. Blob's woork looked pretty cool.
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OMGOMGOGMO and I found part 3!
*snip!*
Lots of info!
Hey, guys. This is kind of borderline, so I'm not going to start dishing warnings out. But if it's not released by RR or DT and someone happens to stumble upon something, don't post it or discuss it here before it is released. I'm sure the band appreciates our enthusiasm, but let's be respectful of the fact that it isn't released for public consumption yet. Thanks.
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bosk is love. bosk is life.
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OMGOMGOGMO and I found part 3!
*snip!*
Lots of info!
Hey, guys. This is kind of borderline, so I'm not going to start dishing warnings out. But if it's not released by RR or DT and someone happens to stumble upon something, don't post it or discuss it here before it is released. I'm sure the band appreciates our enthusiasm, but let's be respectful of the fact that it isn't released for public consumption yet. Thanks.
That is what I cant understand - why upload these to Youtube and tell no-one for 3 weeks? if they are not for public consumption surely you wouldnt upload them in the first place.
Because often they will be uploaded in advance so they are ready to go, but kept private and then later shared/released on a certain schedule that coincides with the marketing plan for the album. I don't think pt. 3 is meant to be found and viewed yet. But I am trying to get clarification. If I get a green light, then you guys are more than welcome to share it and discuss it.
The videos are just UNLISTED, not set to PRIVATE. ???
That could just be a mistake. Just hold off.
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STOKED!!!!!!
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OMGOMGOGMO and I found part 3!
*snip!*
Lots of info!
Hey, guys. This is kind of borderline, so I'm not going to start dishing warnings out. But if it's not released by RR or DT and someone happens to stumble upon something, don't post it or discuss it here before it is released. I'm sure the band appreciates our enthusiasm, but let's be respectful of the fact that it isn't released for public consumption yet. Thanks.
That is what I cant understand - why upload these to Youtube and tell no-one for 3 weeks? if they are not for public consumption surely you wouldnt upload them in the first place.
Because often they will be uploaded in advance so they are ready to go, but kept private and then later shared/released on a certain schedule that coincides with the marketing plan for the album. I don't think pt. 3 is meant to be found and viewed yet. But I am trying to get clarification. If I get a green light, then you guys are more than welcome to share it and discuss it.
The videos are just UNLISTED, not set to PRIVATE. ???
That could just be a mistake. Just hold off.
Thanks for explaining that.
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OMGOMGOGMO and I found part 3!
*snip!*
Lots of info!
Hey, guys. This is kind of borderline, so I'm not going to start dishing warnings out. But if it's not released by RR or DT and someone happens to stumble upon something, don't post it or discuss it here before it is released. I'm sure the band appreciates our enthusiasm, but let's be respectful of the fact that it isn't released for public consumption yet. Thanks.
That is what I cant understand - why upload these to Youtube and tell no-one for 3 weeks? if they are not for public consumption surely you wouldnt upload them in the first place.
Because often they will be uploaded in advance so they are ready to go, but kept private and then later shared/released on a certain schedule that coincides with the marketing plan for the album. I don't think pt. 3 is meant to be found and viewed yet. But I am trying to get clarification. If I get a green light, then you guys are more than welcome to share it and discuss it.
The videos are just UNLISTED, not set to PRIVATE. ???
That could just be a mistake. Just hold off.
Yeah, that's what I figured. Weird they'd have them as public videos that have not been announced through the usual PR channels. Seems like a mistake to me.
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The one posted on the previous page is now showing as private, so I guess it probably was a mistake to make them only unlisted.
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Fuck did I miss it?
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Well, I guess it actually was a mistake. I edited my first post
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To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?
Pretty fucking awesome. Just a moment of right place, right time I guess. But I suppose I'll shut my mouth until it's officially released.
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Well, the initial response I got to my email was along the lines of:
THEY SAW WHAT?!?! :omg:
So, I think I can safely say that pt. 3 is off limits. I'm trying to get clarification on which ones are okay and which ones are not, but I have a feeling the ones that aren't meant to be seen are going to be set to private now, so it won't be an issue.
EDIT: Yeah, confirmed. Pt. 2 is off limits as well.
Again, while your enthusiasm is understandable and appreciated, PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO LEAKS OF ANY KIND. Usually, we only have to worry about album leaks. But it looks like the band and RR have a really cool series they have planned for the marketing schedule of the album, and I am sure it all planned out. Please don't ruin the surprises if you manage to stumble upon something you are not supposed to see yet.
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To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?
Pretty fucking awesome. Just a moment of right place, right time I guess. But I suppose I'll shut my mouth until it's officially released.
:tup
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To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?
Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
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Not really discussing the vids, but there was no snippet of the intro there actually. Anyway, someone screwed up and let the videos unprotected. I just really hope we didn't put any RR employee through a shitstorm :lol
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Well, the initial response I got to my email was along the lines of:
THEY SAW WHAT?!?! :omg:
That's beautiful! :lol
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ahhh the strict rules. i always miss the cool stuff and pop in for the pages of half-planet discussions
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Randy's here.
Sorry, Randy. :lol
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F*ck! I'm late to the party!
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DAMNIT .. I want to see this videos :'( :'( :'( :'(
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lol, kinda pissed I missed it. I'm not great at being at the right place at the right time.
Those who saw something, was it good?
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To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?
Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.
Oh dear.
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To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?
Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.
Oh dear.
I knew it would come down to this. This is how I always wanted to go.
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To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?
Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.
Oh dear.
Didn't bosk ban himself multiple times already? :lol
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implosion
(https://capitalogix.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5502e47b288330133ece6f364970b-800wi)
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Dream Theater Rule #1 for RR Records: Dont fuck up about anything. Even for a second. Dream Theater fans will swarm it.
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To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?
Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.
Oh dear.
Didn't bosk ban himself multiple times already? :lol
YOU SHUT UP I'LL FIGHT YOU RIGHT NOW!
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i'm sure part 2 and 3 will be essentially the same sort of thing as part 1: a documentary about the writing and recording process of the album with no new material explicitly revealed and having lots of ADTOE playing in the background. :neverusethis:.
I wouldn't get too upset about missing these things that haven't even been released yet...
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Well that de-escalated quickly.
:hat
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To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?
Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.
Oh dear.
It's Okay rich. You gotta do what you gotta do. Mankind's greatest empires vanish this way.
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Awe man, I leave DTF for like 2 hours and look what happens. :'(
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You gotta admit though, the detective work of DTF is legendary. One of these days we'll find the "Dummer Documentary Gag Reel" with the DT guys laughing their asses off with MM's reaction :lol
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Awe man, I leave DTF for like 2 hours and look what happens. :'(
Seriously. Fucking blackberries!!!
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Hey Randy is online! Care to elaborate on this man?y
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lol randy knows whats up...
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Sorry Randy! :lol
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Randy: "Ya'll motha fuckas gettin sued."
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Well, I missed the chance, it seems. But I've learnt an important lesson from this nevertheless. I'm off to change the privacy settings of my videos from unlisted to private :P
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i know the rope is obviously ADTOE artwork, but i don't remember this particular wave artwork?
(from most recent DT official email)
(https://i.imgur.com/uwArO0c.png)
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See? When the bosk-alarm goes off, the mods start swarming, and Randy shows up, you guys know you've really stepped in it.
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It has graced us with Randy's presence. It has all been worth it. I will stand before the firing line with honor.
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Randy: "Ya'll motha fuckas gettin sued."
I'm thinking more along the lines of "You guys are fucking insane." :lol
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they really shouldn't be surprised. some dude transcribed a blurry midi chart of a second of the videos. it's not too hard for a crazy DT fan to check the youtube page
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The sad part to me, is that I was here when all the link were up, but I'm at work, and youtube is blocked :'(
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To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?
Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.
Oh dear.
Damnit. I shouldn't have pointed that out. Well, sorry everyone. I guess I'll see all of you in 6-8 weeks!
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lol and now he's gone/lurking as a guest/hidden XD
Randy I hope you saw the part where people were batshit crazy over that line that goes through the cover :lol
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You guys dont mind if i post an image that i take to the part 2 of the studio video?, it's the "Dream Theater Progress Chart" :-[
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I think now that everything's been said, actually posting stuff from the video itself now leads to a ban. Go ahead, if you really want to.
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What the hell just happened?? :omg:
I leave the thread for a couple hours and all hell broke loose. I'd ask what I missed, but honestly, I don't wanna know.
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Some of us saw some videos that we weren't supposed to see yet. That's pretty much the gist of it.
So how about that album cover, people?
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lol xd, well i think i'm going to keep it, it's just the hype going through my veins ::)
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Glad I wasn't here, I'd discuss it and get banned, also don't want surprises ruined before DT want our anus' ruined...
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:omg: Why Lord, why?!?!?!
helloween feelings...
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Meanwhile, I'll be singing my own prays. :hat
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i know the rope is obviously ADTOE artwork, but i don't remember this particular wave artwork?
(from most recent DT official email)
(https://i.imgur.com/uwArO0c.png)
neither did I but it's in the ADTOE book.
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By the way, bosk, what did your e-mail say and who was it off?
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Im guessing that part 2 comes out tomorrow. The last one came out on a Thursday and it seems like they were testing something with these videos and getting ready for them to be released.
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Pt.2 was Mangini playing a flute solo in full leprechaun regalia.
Pt.3 was just a good ol' fashioned naked man pile.
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PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO LEAKS OF ANY KIND.
Yes, it begins.....this is how you know album release time is really under way! :xbones
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PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO LEAKS OF ANY KIND.
Oh What The Heck...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8glwRaS8OM
See ya Later DTF.
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PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO LEAKS OF ANY KIND.
Oh What The Heck...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8glwRaS8OM
See ya Later DTF.
I really want to cut and wash leeks now for some reason :huh:
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Why did I watch that.... :facepalm:
Ban him for wasting 2 and a half minutes of my life.
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PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO LEAKS OF ANY KIND.
Oh What The Heck...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8glwRaS8OM
See ya Later DTF.
2 month temp ban for posting link to a leek.
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:lol :rollin :lol
haha. " you have been banned for posting links to LEEKED material "
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Here's how to fix your leak:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pATuUP2-g_I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pATuUP2-g_I)
Yeah, I'm overdoing. Sorry for the spam.
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:) We've had our fun. Let's get back sort of on topic now. Thanks.
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Why do I get the feeling that this will be an immense album ?
Just has that vibe. Seems like they've really made something special this time.
Maybe they were purposefully holding off on ADTOE to make the next album something special.
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Maybe they were purposefully holding off on ADTOE to make the next album something special.
Looking at the big picture, I think this is probably dead on.
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I'm starting to think that as well, I absolutely love the song titles, and they seem earnestly confident rather than trying to overhype. I like that. Could have gone with a different album cover but it's not life ending.
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The DT font would look good in the metallic texture used in the majesty logo, maybe for the back/inside cover.
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I predict that after a few listens some songs will be kinda meh (always in relevance to the high expctations) like in ADTOE, but the strong ones will become instant classics. I have this feeling Illumination Theory will melt our brains :metal
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Thanks to the modz for deleting my forbidden post...
sooo yea I can't wait for the single
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Illumination Theory will be filled with Dubstep, like Muse's last album.
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Maybe they were purposefully holding off on ADTOE to make the next album something special.
Looking at the bigger picture, I think this is probably dead on.
Fixed. :neverusethis:
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Please Jesus.
Please let Dream Theater stay the fuck away from Dubstep forever.
It's a slippery slope towards featuring guest rappers and being produced by so called Producers called " The Matrix " and " Red One ".
:puke:
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Please Jesus.
Please let Dream Theater stay the fuck away from Dubstep forever.
It's a slippery slope towards featuring guest rappers and being produced by so called Producers called " The Matrix " and " Red One ".
:puke:
x100000 I'm all for DT exploring other areas, but this is not one of them. PoW should be the limit.
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I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL
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I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.
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*snip*
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I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.
Have they done jazz?
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I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.
The electronic drum intros to songs on ADToE are the closest I want them to get to electro or EDM or Dubstep or w/e the fuck it's called next week.
I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.
Have they done jazz?
Parts of Lines In The Sand are quite jazzy.
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*snip*
That has already been discussed earlier in the thread. And if you suspect something might be a leak, why not thread through the thread before posting something you aren't supposed to post?
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(https://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/e/ed/No_leeks.png)
:angry: :angry:
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I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.
Have they done jazz?
Well, I've always thought that Take the Time was pretty heavily influenced by elements of jazz, and I know JP's done some jazzy soloes in some live performances. That's about all I can think of.
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*snip*
That has already been discussed earlier in the thread. And if you suspect something might be a leak, why not thread through the thread before posting something you aren't supposed to post?
Sorry, I didn't really want to look through 10 pages of unread stuff, that's why I said 'I don't know if anyone's posted this'. Didn't know that it's against the rules to mention a possible leak, I thought it was wrong only if you posted a link to a leak itself. Sorry for any misunderstandings :)
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I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.
Have they done jazz?
The few second break in the middle of TDEN is a little jazzy.
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I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.
Have they done jazz?
Parts of Lines In The Sand are quite jazzy.
Scarred too.
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I must investigate.... :justjen
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Jazz is one genre I'd definitely be interested in hearing DT explore more. I don't see it happening with this album, but, who knows?
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I've been delighted at how much jazz and prog rock share in terms of time sigs and melodic structures, etc.
It would be fantastic.
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My guess is that it's going to be HEAVY heavy metal, especially because Mangini "is an animal" and his previous works were super heavy with annihilator and whatnot. Blastbeats, HWAAARRRRRGGGGgggs, 300 bpm double bass, 1-3 crashes per second, etc.
I have been sort of gravitating toward prog rock though, with neal morse's stuff- trans, SB, solo works. But if this is similar to Train of Thought in atmosphere or song structure, then I'm in.
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he might have to throw some blastbeats in to make up for the lackluster ones from ANTR
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God I hate blast beats! Just say no when it comes to DT!
he might have to throw some blastbeats in to make up for the lackluster ones from ANTR
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I'm not really fond of blast beats, but I never had a problem with the way they were used in DT.
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I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL
I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.
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I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL
I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.
eh dubstep is just the newest thing to bash. it's a buzzword. im sure if jordan came up with the coolest electronic thing ever to complement a song, people would still hate it on the grounds of it belonging to a particular genre. things sound good/bad because they are good/bad. not because its called metal or dubstep
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Don't know if this has been mentioned...
In the "Episode 1: DT in the Studio" video on YouTube, at around the 0:06-0:09 mark, it seems that we might have gotten a brief glimpse into the new album cover.
Does anyone else see this?
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Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments? Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.
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Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments? Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.
I'm actually a little worried about that. After having listened to the snippets to death before ADTOE I've decided that I will not listen to anything this time, but I also don't want to give up browsing the forum. I'll have to see how discussion is organized to see how much I'm going to browse once material starts getting officially released.
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Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments? Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.
I'm actually a little worried about that. After having listened to the snippets to death before ADTOE I've decided that I will not listen to anything this time, but I also don't want to give up browsing the forum. I'll have to see how discussion is organized to see how much I'm going to browse once material starts getting officially released.
I'm just going to stay away from anythread that has to do with snippets/singles. I don't even want to hear people's reactions. Trying to make septemper 24th as epic as possible! ;)
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Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments? Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.
I'm actually a little worried about that. After having listened to the snippets to death before ADTOE I've decided that I will not listen to anything this time, but I also don't want to give up browsing the forum. I'll have to see how discussion is organized to see how much I'm going to browse once material starts getting officially released.
I'm just going to stay away from anythread that has to do with snippets/singles. I don't even want to hear people's reactions. Trying to make septemper 24th as epic as possible! ;)
This is my plan as well. ADTOE and the new QR releases were severely diminished by listening to everything snippet and song that were released ahead of the album. Not going to go there this time.
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Please tell me that wonky picture is not the album cover. It looks like fan art, and that Majesty logo is so off shape.
Quote from many pages ago but that artwork isn't really my thing, looks like something I would've come up with using PS 7 and the eyecandy plugin.
I actually liked that cave picture.
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I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL
I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.
eh dubstep is just the newest thing to bash. it's a buzzword. im sure if jordan came up with the coolest electronic thing ever to complement a song, people would still hate it on the grounds of it belonging to a particular genre. things sound good/bad because they are good/bad. not because its called metal or dubstep
I like those little electronic things he does on Train of Thought. Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.
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I like those little electronic things he does on Train of Thought. Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.
WTF is dubstep in DT? I know I'm naive!
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I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL
I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.
eh dubstep is just the newest thing to bash. it's a buzzword. im sure if jordan came up with the coolest electronic thing ever to complement a song, people would still hate it on the grounds of it belonging to a particular genre. things sound good/bad because they are good/bad. not because its called metal or dubstep
I like those little electronic things he does on Train of Thought. Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.
There can be some great chill dubstep out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDI6HTR9arA
On topic, those titles are really excited, usually when stuff like this comes out I just go "oh cool" and move on, but I'm fairly excited right now.
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I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL
I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.
Dubstep is fucking atrocious. And i listen to a large variety of music.
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Prog Rock/Metal > 80's - 90's Hip-Hop > Other music
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Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.
im not even a dubstep fan. but statements like this are ridiculous
this dude is probably the biggest 'dubstep' maker (who knows, electronic fans are even worse about genre labeling than metal fans). the video is cool if the music isn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g
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Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.
im not even a dubstep fan. but statements like this are ridiculous
Your face is ridiculous.
How is my preference to listening to the sound of my painful diarrhea over dubstep ridiculous?
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I'm going to repost this, this is some relaxed dubstep: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDI6HTR9arA
Lots of genre's that may not seem interesting may have some gems hidden in them.
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I'm going to repost this, this is some relaxed dubstep: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDI6HTR9arA
Lots of genre's that may not seem interesting may have some gems hidden in them.
Well if you take out the dubstep which sounds exactly the same as in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g
you have a pretty nice relaxing piece of music.
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Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments? Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.
I'm actually a little worried about that. After having listened to the snippets to death before ADTOE I've decided that I will not listen to anything this time, but I also don't want to give up browsing the forum. I'll have to see how discussion is organized to see how much I'm going to browse once material starts getting officially released.
I'm just going to stay away from anythread that has to do with snippets/singles. I don't even want to hear people's reactions. Trying to make septemper 24th as epic as possible! ;)
I'll listen to the single, but only a couple times. I'm avoiding all snippets, due to overplaying them last time......completely ruined those parts when I heard the full songs.
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Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.
im not even a dubstep fan. but statements like this are ridiculous
Your face is ridiculous.
How is my preference to listening to the sound of my painful diarrhea over dubstep ridiculous?
not even sure this deserves another reply
-blank- is not music is the ridiculous thing to say. different strokes for different folks
also there's not even a chance stuff like that will be on DT12. even if it was it would be minimal. i just like kneejerk elitist reactions
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BUT BUT.... OK fine.
Sure can't wait for the album.
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I'm excited for everything about this album... Except the artwork. Man is it bad.
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Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.
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Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments? Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.
I'm actually a little worried about that. After having listened to the snippets to death before ADTOE I've decided that I will not listen to anything this time, but I also don't want to give up browsing the forum. I'll have to see how discussion is organized to see how much I'm going to browse once material starts getting officially released.
I'm just going to stay away from anythread that has to do with snippets/singles. I don't even want to hear people's reactions. Trying to make septemper 24th as epic as possible! ;)
I'll listen to the single, but only a couple times. I'm avoiding all snippets, due to overplaying them last time......completely ruined those parts when I heard the full songs.
Exactly. I want the songs to sound completely new and fresh when I listen to them the first time.
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Illumination Theory will be filled with Dubstep, like Muse's last album.
I know you're joking and everything, but just letting you know that aprox. only 1.5 minutes of Muse's The 2nd Law is "dubstep" per se, which are 1.5 minutes of a 3 minute song in an album with 13 songs.
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Illumination Theory will be filled with Dubstep, like Muse's last album.
I know you're joking and everything, but just letting you know that aprox. only 1.5 minutes of Muse's The 2nd Law is "dubstep" per se, which are 1.5 minutes of a 3 minute song in an album with 13 songs.
Still liked their older stuff wayyyy more
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I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL
I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.
Dubstep is fucking atrocious. And i listen to a large variety of music.
Agree 100% with this... I guess I only like prog metal too though. Better throw away the rest of my music collection.
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So...what happened to people notifying the band of the errors in the album art? Is that still a thing? Do you think they know? There's no way that it's intentional or supposed to be a terminator with a 90 degree angle.
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So...what happened to people notifying the band of the errors in the album art? Is that still a thing? Do you think they know? There's no way that it's intentional or supposed to be a terminator with a 90 degree angle.
I'm sure we'll get a slightly revised artwork if Octavarium and ADToE is any indication.
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1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE
i. Sleep Paralysis
ii. Night Terrors
iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE
3. THE LOOKING GLASS
4. ENIGMA MACHINE
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY
i. Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire
ii. Live, Die, Kill
iii. The Embracing Circle
iv. The Pursuit of Truth
v. Surrender, Trust & Passion
.......
:|
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:omg: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS NEW ALBUM IS AMAZING. TRACKLIST IS EVERYTHING I COULD HAVE WANTED, COVER ART LOOKS AMAZING.
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It just needs to be blackened. How hard could it be to fix it?
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Along For the Ride is the instrumental, Enigma Machine has John Myung writing lyrics. Calling it now.
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Along For the Ride is the instrumental, Enigma Machine has John Myung writing lyrics. Calling it now.
Along for the Ride isn't the instrumental, because on the progress chart, there was a song with the working title of Along for the Ride which is the only name they kept, and it was listed as having vocals.
It just needs to be blackened. How hard could it be to fix it?
That wouldn't be good, because blackened is the end. :millahhhh
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1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE
i. Sleep Paralysis
ii. Night Terrors
iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE
3. THE LOOKING GLASS
4. ENIGMA MACHINE
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY
i. Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire
ii. Live, Die, Kill
iii. The Embracing Circle
iv. The Pursuit of Truth
v. Surrender, Trust & Passion
.......
:|
......
:omg: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS NEW ALBUM IS AMAZING. TRACKLIST IS EVERYTHING I COULD HAVE WANTED, COVER ART LOOKS AMAZING.
Thats a refreshing change in this thread :lol
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Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.
lolno.
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Along For the Ride is the instrumental, Enigma Machine has John Myung writing lyrics. Calling it now.
Along for the Ride isn't the instrumental, because on the progress chart, there was a song with the working title of Along for the Ride which is the only name they kept, and it was listed as having vocals.
It just needs to be blackened. How hard could it be to fix it?
That wouldn't be good, because blackened is the end. :millahhhh
I think Along for the Ride has two possibilities: 1. It's the ballad of the album 2. It has a Surrounded/Innocence Faded vibe
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Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.
lolno.
Yeah I :lol'ed too
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I was looking through the track listing again and the only title that sticks out to me The Bigger Picture. That is the least DTish title I see on the album. The rest I get a good vibe from.
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I was thinking, I wonder if any of the tunes on the new album (if it's not a concept) will be about Portnoy's departure. None of the titles lead me to believe there will be, but the feelings that come from such a dramatic change could make for some good lyrics.
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I was thinking, I wonder if any of the tunes on the new album (if it's not a concept) will be about Portnoy's departure. None of the titles lead me to believe there will be, but the feelings that come from such a dramatic change could make for some good lyrics.
I sure hope not; this dead horse has been beaten past the point of recognition.
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I was thinking, I wonder if any of the tunes on the new album (if it's not a concept) will be about Portnoy's departure. None of the titles lead me to believe there will be, but the feelings that come from such a dramatic change could make for some good lyrics.
I sure hope not; this dead horse has been beaten past the point of recognition.
Yeah now that I think about it more that is a stupid idea. :facepalm:
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I was worried this thread might not be as entertaining as "DT in the studio again", but these last few pages just proved me wrong :lol
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I'm excited about all the dubstep on this album!
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DT hadn't released a song or a section of a song in any other language that wasn't English, right? I'm asking because I'm really hyped for Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire and I don't really know why.
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DT hadn't released a song or a section of a song in any other language that wasn't English, right? I'm asking because I'm really hyped for Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire and I don't really know why.
I'd be downright shocked if it wasn't an instrumental opening somewhat like an overture, as a lot of their longer songs and suites do.
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DT hadn't released a song or a section of a song in any other language that wasn't English, right? I'm asking because I'm really hyped for Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire and I don't really know why.
I'd be downright shocked if it wasn't an instrumental opening somewhat like an overture, as a lot of their longer songs and suites do.
I agree with blob, but even if it had lyrics, a french title doesn't mean automatically french lyrics, it could also have spoken samples.
It could also be a french canadian rap :lol
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I really like dubstep if it's done right, but I don't feel like it'll fit in Dream Theater's music. So I'd vote against it too.
I'd like some "djent" influences since they toured with Periphery and their latest album was on Petrucci's top of the year albums list. I don't want the sound of it, but maybe a small part with some "djentish" rhythms. Which I think is very achievable for Dream Theater, and you wouldn't even need a distorted guitar.
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I'm excited about all the dubstep on this album!
So that's why they got Mike Mangini...
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I'm excited about all the dubstep on this album!
It's not real dubstep!!!!
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:lol
Generally speaking, writing off an entire genre in the way that some people are doing is the same as people who say that rock isn't really music because it's all loud guitars and angry shouting, or that prog metal is terrible because it's all just wanky indulgence about dragons and wizards.
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For those who don't get the problem with the planet being cut off on the cover preview, my inner child prepared something for you!
(https://www.dreamshade.net/foren/dreamtheaterforums/whytheplanetiscutoff.png)
Copy and pasting from different sources is okay, not checking the edges against the background however is not, that's the issue.
I really hope I could help. ::)
Greetings...
Nef
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:clap:
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:clap:
Yes, Nefarius, that was amazing!
Illumination Theory will be filled with Dubstep, like Muse's last album.
I know you're joking and everything, but just letting you know that aprox. only 1.5 minutes of Muse's The 2nd Law is "dubstep" per se, which are 1.5 minutes of a 3 minute song in an album with 13 songs.
I know :lol , but it's still kind-of funny to bash Muse for it, although I must say they did it pretty well.
I'm excited about all the dubstep on this album!
Me too!!
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That pic should be enough to explain the cutoff :D
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That's how it happened, people. Let it be written as much :millahhhh
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Gah, I hope that it isnt heavy heavy as some are suggesting. It would sound weird sitting through a show with blast beats and whatever first, then The Answer Lies Within next. Would sounds disjointed :-\
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I don't think it'll be that heavy.
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Yeah, it can't be overly metal if it's supposed to be an album that represents everything DT is about.
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With those titles, it'll probably be the most proggy album they ever released. Definitely insanely technical.
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With Mangini unleashed, I think it's going to be a very technical one.
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I think that we will get a good deal of intensity, rather than outright heaviness. In one interview Mike remarked how he liked intense and energetic music, and I believe that this kind of preference of his will be felt on the record.
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In the official announcement there is no mention of a making-of DVD. So, is it really possible that JP would pay a whole crew of a top filming company just for a bunch of short vids?
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Yeah, it can't be overly metal if it's supposed to be an album that represents everything DT is about.
It also can't be lacking in metal if it's supposed to represent everything that DT is about. It's not 1992 anymore.
For those who don't get the problem with the planet being cut off on the cover preview, my inner child prepared something for you!
(https://www.dreamshade.net/foren/dreamtheaterforums/whytheplanetiscutoff.png)
Copy and pasting from different sources is okay, not checking the edges against the background however is not, that's the issue.
I really hope I could help. ::)
Greetings...
Nef
Great explanation! Hopefully this explains why this was definitely not an intentional thing, as it isn't something that's supposed to be seen anyway (and likely won't be seen when printed for the covers).
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Yeah, it can't be overly metal if it's supposed to be an album that represents everything DT is about.
It also can't be lacking in metal if it's supposed to represent everything that DT is about. It's not 1992 anymore.
My point was that it won't be Train of Thought 2 :)
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Yeah, it can't be overly metal if it's supposed to be an album that represents everything DT is about.
It also can't be lacking in metal if it's supposed to represent everything that DT is about. It's not 1992 anymore.
My point was that it won't be Train of Thought 2 :)
Oh, well obviously not! Misunderstanding on my part, I think. I thought you were talking about the heaviness of individual sections, rather than the total percentage of the album that is heavy. ToT was an intentionally one dimensional album that focused on that one particular element.
I'd definitely like to have parts of the album that are as heavy as ToT, but I want a diverse album that covers DT's entire gamut of styles and then some, from ballads, to poppy, to proggy, to metal, to rock, to any other wacky influence they want to throw into the mixing bowl.
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Disclaimer: I love the cover art and I'm not really bothered by the cut. But, that being said, imagine:
(https://fc00.deviantart.net/fs45/f/2009/062/7/6/At_the_Gates_of_Sleep_by_synax444.png)
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I prefer the more minimalist approach from the original, but for the planetary background there are zillions of stock images with a far superior texture resolution and no need for such a cut. It might not be important for the cd print but it might be to low res for the vinyl cover or posters, tour marketing material, on the online stores you would see the cut if your monitor is set too bright (not uncommon).
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I was thinking, I wonder if any of the tunes on the new album (if it's not a concept) will be about Portnoy's departure. None of the titles lead me to believe there will be, but the feelings that come from such a dramatic change could make for some good lyrics.
Who really cares about his departure? They're obviously letting the whole thing die, even if people here refuse to.
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I'm really liking the album cover for its minimalist approach as well, but honestly, I've just noticed that cut everybody is talking about. I hope they will have it fixed before the album comes out, it looks really weird and I seriously doubt it was intentional.
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Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.
Not true, SDOIT is some of the best artwork for a DT album, SC was good too. With BCSL things just started to go downhill, and with this cover it looks like it's going to keep going downhill.
EDIT: I wish that it was somewhat theater themed seeing how it's self-titled.
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With BCSL things just started to go downhill, and with this cover it looks like it's going to keep going downhill.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_304_1358687601.gif)
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Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.
Not true, SDOIT is some of the best artwork for a DT album, SC was good too. With BCSL things just started to go downhill, and with this cover it looks like it's going to keep going downhill.
EDIT: I wish that it was somewhat theater themed seeing how it's self-titled.
I meant musically.
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Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.
Not true, SDOIT is some of the best artwork for a DT album, SC was good too. With BCSL things just started to go downhill, and with this cover it looks like it's going to keep going downhill.
EDIT: I wish that it was somewhat theater themed seeing how it's self-titled.
I meant musically.
Still not true.
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EDIT: I wish that it was somewhat theater themed seeing how it's self-titled.
If a shot of the sun coming behind earth where you can see the sunrise (could be a sunset too) line day and night division isn't MAJESTIC enough for the forum, then I give up with the forum.
We do can see the MAJESTY symbol and not reference to the actual name of the band - I guess that's who they feel they really are! -
just my two cents.
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Disclaimer: I love the cover art and I'm not really bothered by the cut. But, that being said, imagine:
(https://fc00.deviantart.net/fs45/f/2009/062/7/6/At_the_Gates_of_Sleep_by_synax444.png)
Something like this ?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005103_165649800284659_1834974922_n.jpg)
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Disclaimer: I love the cover art and I'm not really bothered by the cut. But, that being said, imagine:
(https://fc00.deviantart.net/fs45/f/2009/062/7/6/At_the_Gates_of_Sleep_by_synax444.png)
Something like this ?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005103_165649800284659_1834974922_n.jpg)
Jesus !!! Good work !
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I do like how the light is behind the logo and the effect it creates. However, the extra planet and red stuff is too much. I really like the minimalistic approach. Just the Majesty logo, which was the original name and on the very first album, and a little bit of perspective with the planet and barley any sun.
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Yeah, also the Majesty logo needs more Brooklyn Bridge
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Question, since I've seen the phrase thrown around a few times, wtf is a blast beat?
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Question, since I've seen the phrase thrown around a few times, wtf is a blast beat?
It's a type of drum beat that's basically really fast alternating bass drum / snare. The only time DT have ever used one is at 14:44 - 14:58 of A Nightmare to Remember. It's more common in death metal / black metal etc.
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Yeah, also the Majesty logo needs more Brooklyn Bridge
:rollin
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Question, since I've seen the phrase thrown around a few times, wtf is a blast beat?
It's a type of drum beat that's basically really fast alternating bass drum / snare. The only time DT have ever used one is at 14:44 - 14:58 of A Nightmare to Remember. It's more common in death metal / black metal etc.
*goes to listen to A Nightmare to Remember because she can't remember how that part goes*
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Yeah, also the Majesty logo needs more Brooklyn Bridge
:rollin
And cow bell
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Yeah, also the Majesty logo needs more Brooklyn Bridge
:rollin
And cow bell
And Portnoy peeking behind the planet.
Okay, that wasn't funny anymore.
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Question, since I've seen the phrase thrown around a few times, wtf is a blast beat?
It's a type of drum beat that's basically really fast alternating bass drum / snare. The only time DT have ever used one is at 14:44 - 14:58 of A Nightmare to Remember. It's more common in death metal / black metal etc.
*goes to listen to A Nightmare to Remember because she can't remember how that part goes*
I return after listening to that section, and I have one thing to say.
Fuck that shit. :biggrin:
Just kidding, I'm just personally not a big fan of that, though it's impressive as hell.
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Question, since I've seen the phrase thrown around a few times, wtf is a blast beat?
It's a type of drum beat that's basically really fast alternating bass drum / snare. The only time DT have ever used one is at 14:44 - 14:58 of A Nightmare to Remember. It's more common in death metal / black metal etc.
*goes to listen to A Nightmare to Remember because she can't remember how that part goes*
I return after listening to that section, and I have one thing to say.
Fuck that shit. :biggrin:
Just kidding, I'm just personally not a big fan of that, though it's impressive as hell.
Here's a good explanation, and he plays them slowly so you can get a good feel for what's actually going on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18oaIznHoOI
Here's a solo where he incorporates a lot of blast beats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg2EyWA0Jxc
Hope that helps.
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I like bands that tap into many genres, even if for a small part. A little blast beat here, a little jazzy part there, a couple of heavy songs...keeps things interesting. That's why I like Blur so much, they cover such a wide range of genres yet still sound like themselves.
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I can definitively say that Nef did not use the correct Majesty logo in his highly informative and entertaining artwork.
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When are you expecting a single from the new álbum? I'm eager to taste a Little bit of it :)
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Soon
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Official tour name has been released.
For those rooting for "Dream Theatour," sorry. :lol
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I like bands that tap into many genres, even if for a small part. A little blast beat here, a little jazzy part there, a couple of heavy songs...keeps things interesting.
IIRC, the blast beat technique actually started in jazz.
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Some bands I am a fan of have used blast beats, but I think it would be wise for DT to stay away from them (although I bet MM could handle them better than MP did).
Official tour name has been released.
For those rooting for "Dream Theatour," sorry. :lol
I wasn't rooting for it, despite being the one who came up with the name :lol
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Soon
Ughhh. Not the "S" word again ::)
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Hope the "soon" is in normal time, and not Valve time :-\
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Cool titles. Excited.
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IIRC, the blast beat technique actually started in jazz.
That is correct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_beat
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I'd say we'll hear the single before the pre-orders start. They have to sell the new material, and considering they've confirmed pre-orders will start this month... I'm calling it: we'll have a single before the end of july.
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I was really rooting for Dream Theatour, can we all call it like that until they cave in? :'( or at least produce an inside joke.
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Anyone else watching the drummer auditions to "scratch the itch" while we wait for snippets, RR studio videos, etc? :biggrin:
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IIRC, the blast beat technique actually started in jazz.
That is correct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_beat
I wrote wikipedia.
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??? I thought you just spoke it into existence on Day 8.
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I learned something today, thanks!
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??? I thought you just spoke it into existence on Day 8.
Let the plebes have their myths. It keeps them from becoming too disruptive.
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As long as they don't go around saying you created France or Cleveland, you're all good?
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Sooo, how about that upcoming DT album? Can't wait.
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As long as they don't go around saying you created France or Cleveland, you're all good?
But he did create french fries, right?
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Sooo, how about that upcoming DT album? Can't wait.
Quiet you, the mods are chatting.
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Sooo, how about that upcoming DT album? Can't wait.
what new album?
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Sooo, how about that upcoming DT album? Can't wait.
That and the tour. I hope the evening with format doesn't tire James out, but I'm confident he will do fine.
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Perhaps they'll add some instrumental tracks throughout the setlist, so he can take longer breaks and rest his voice inbetween songs.
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I hope they'll play Hell's Kitchen and Stream of Consciousness then.
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I think James can handle longer shows. His voice is improving...
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What do you think are the chances of them playing Wait for Sleep this tour? I will cry my eyes out if I hear that song live.
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I hope they'll play Hell's Kitchen and Stream of Consciousness then.
This...
I think James can handle longer shows. His voice is improving...
and this...
What do you think are the chances of them playing Wait for Sleep this tour? I will cry my eyes out if I hear that song live.
and this!!
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I hope they'll play Hell's Kitchen and Stream of Consciousness then.
And TDOE for trippy experience :P I really can't wait for the new album and I hope it's going to be epic since it's first I'm going to see live (they'll probably play full or almost full album on An Evening with DT).
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Along for the ride and for the chocolate cake.
Copy Rush...but instead of chicken have cake or cupcakes. Maybe an episode on Cupcake Wars for the DT tour...:)
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I thought OTBOA was pretty advanced prog for a single, I hope they do that again. And good point on the single being released in time for the pre-sale. Definitely possible.
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I think it also has a lot to do with the setlist. Some songs, if performed night after night (or even every other night), put a lot of strain on the vocal cords. A cleverly designed set list with a couple of strategically placed instrumentals would make it a lot easier to cope with.
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The tour is called "along for the ride"
(https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151479258802181)
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The tour is called "along for the ride"
(https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151479258802181)
Yes. Yes, it is. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37547.msg1614360#msg1614360
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Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?
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Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?
I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.
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Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?
I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.
Hmm... whoever said Dream Theatour, I agree with them :tup
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As long as they don't go around saying you created France or Cleveland, you're all good?
Yeah, I don't want credit for those two.
Say, I don't remember - do we still co-own France?
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Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?
I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.
Do you know if this song have vocals (I don't know it was this or another song on chart that haven't changed name)?
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The tour is called "along for the ride"
(https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151479258802181)
Yes. Yes, it is. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37547.msg1614360#msg1614360
:yeahright *sigh* I'm always too damn late.
also, I thought a blast beat was snare, bass and crash/china etc.. at same time as a fill, like in sacrificed sons 4:20
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The tracklist is simply awesome. I really like the concept of the cover (very simple, only majesty logo w/background) but I don't like the realization. I do hope it's something temporary and not the actual cover art that will be printed. I hope they will notice that line and the low resolution and rework the whole thing to set it right.
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Hope the "soon" is in normal time, and not Valve time :-\
Anything but that. Though I can't help but have this feeling the OTE is working on valve time.
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Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?
I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.
Although, it wouldn't surprise me if that is the first single. Based on title alone it seems less proggy, more radio friendly.
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Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour. Looks like I may have to travel to Atlanta, but that will be fine even if I have to go by myself. I have not found too many folks that even know of Dream Theater in my area of the US(Tennessee).
My wife likes some of the stuff, but can only handle so much. She still cannot get the name correct. When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D
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Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?
I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.
Although, it wouldn't surprise me if that is the first single. Based on title alone it seems less proggy, more radio friendly.
It wouldn't surprise me if it has "single" potential, given the title and likely average song length of the non-epic tracks, although I'm still putting my bet on one of the other tracks being the leading single.
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Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour. Looks like I may have to travel to Atlanta, but that will be fine even if I have to go by myself. I have not found too many folks that even know of Dream Theater in my area of the US(Tennessee).
My wife likes some of the stuff, but can only handle so much. She still cannot get the name correct. When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D
Agreed on the "Evening With..." format hopes for the US tour. Oh, I'll be traveling to Atlanta from TN (Chattanooga) as well and bringing those I have made into DT converts :metal
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When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D
That's a great name for DTF actually :lol
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When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D
That's a great name for DTF actually :lol
If she had said "Nightmare Cinema" it would've been truly nuggetz-worthy
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I guess The Enemy Inside will be the single. The title kind of reminds me of Constant Motion. Probably because it sounds :metal and CM was a pretty metal sounding single.
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We'll probably get a single with the pre-order info for the boxsets.
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Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour.
My understanding is that that is the case.
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An evening with makes me so happy.
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Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?
I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.
Although, it wouldn't surprise me if that is the first single. Based on title alone it seems less proggy, more radio friendly.
It wouldn't surprise me if it has "single" potential, given the title and likely average song length of the non-epic tracks, although I'm still putting my bet on one of the other tracks being the leading single.
Twist: "Along for the Ride" is a 34-minute prog epic about a guy who also happened to be in the car when the Count of Tuscany took JP for a drive
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Along for ride I'll be your guide just step inside.
Anyways, really excited for the evening with format!
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I had a dream last night that the epic was 31 minutes long :omg:
I can't wait to see that played live in the spring when they make it over here. I'm assuming they'll announce dates soon
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I just did a little dance in my seat. EVENING WITH WHAT I CAN'T EVEN. :metal
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Twist: "Along for the Ride" is a 34-minute prog epic about a guy who also happened to be in the car when the Count of Tuscany took JP for a drive
That actually briefly entered my head when I saw the tracklist. CoT happens to be one of my all-time favorites so I wasn't surprised I focused on that. So instead of Petrucci as narrator we'll have a professional wine importing guitar tech. :lol
If anything like this turns out to be vaguely true I would be highly amused. I would also love to see some fanfiction written about this. Not the Twilight one.
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The tour is called "along for the ride"
(https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151479258802181)
Yes. Yes, it is. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37547.msg1614360#msg1614360
:yeahright *sigh* I'm always too damn late.
also, I thought a blast beat was snare, bass and crash/china etc.. at same time as a fill, like in sacrificed sons 4:20
A better example of an actual blast beat would be at 14:44 in A Nightmare to Remember. But not all blast beats are just hitting on the bass snare and cymbal at the same time. Some types of blast beats are just snare/bass alternating like at 0:58 in The Dark Eternal Night. Thats also a "blast beat". Theres lots of different kinds.
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Huh, I've always thought "blast beat" just referred to the bass drum. Didn't know it included cymbals and snare.
Of course, I'm hardly an authority on this.
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I could bring my wifes minivan to Chattanooga and we could van pool. Of course there are two potential problems with that. 1) I am probably much older than your friends(old fogey 55) and 2) If you and your friends areyounger you may not want to be seen in a mini van. ;)
Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour. Looks like I may have to travel to Atlanta, but that will be fine even if I have to go by myself. I have not found too many folks that even know of Dream Theater in my area of the US(Tennessee).
My wife likes some of the stuff, but can only handle so much. She still cannot get the name correct. When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D
Agreed on the "Evening With..." format hopes for the US tour. Oh, I'll be traveling to Atlanta from TN (Chattanooga) as well and bringing those I have made into DT converts :metal
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Now that we have the titles, which songs will have an orchestra?
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Behind the Veil, and the closer.
I'm guessing.
and maybe the opening suite as well?
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Can we get some crabcore on this tour?
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55966936/CrabCore.gif)
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0:36 to 0:54 = different blast beat types, ANTR isn't a very good example
https://youtu.be/EuPYJ0bzOdM?t=31s
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I was looking through the track listing again and the only title that sticks out to me The Bigger Picture. That is the least DTish title I see on the album. The rest I get a good vibe from.
Sounds more like a Rush song title to me. :metal
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I was looking through the track listing again and the only title that sticks out to me The Bigger Picture. That is the least DTish title I see on the album. The rest I get a good vibe from.
Sounds more like a Rush song title to me. :metal
Moving the bigger pictures :neverusethis:
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I guess The Enemy Inside will be the single. The title kind of reminds me of Constant Motion. Probably because it sounds :metal and CM was a pretty metal sounding single.
Yet another Rush-esque referenced song title (aka "The Enemy Within"). Although it could be more about JP's inner "bear" trying to come out too often. :biggrin:
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0:36 to 0:54 = different blast beat types, ANTR isn't a very good example
https://youtu.be/EuPYJ0bzOdM?t=31s
Blast beats in DT tho
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Twist: "Along for the Ride" is a 34-minute prog epic about a guy who also happened to be in the car when the Count of Tuscany took JP for a drive
That actually briefly entered my head when I saw the tracklist. CoT happens to be one of my all-time favorites so I wasn't surprised I focused on that. So instead of Petrucci as narrator we'll have a professional wine importing guitar tech. :lol
If anything like this turns out to be vaguely true I would be highly amused. I would also love to see some fanfiction written about this. Not the Twilight one.
The closest example of Count of Tuscany (and other DT-related) fan fiction I can think of is this: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=10181.0 Count of Tuscany section begins on page 5 after leaving The Silent Man.
Reading through that again, I'm again bummed that it died. That was fun. :(
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0:36 to 0:54 = different blast beat types, ANTR isn't a very good example
https://youtu.be/EuPYJ0bzOdM?t=31s
Blast beats in DT tho
i'd love if DT experimented with new things from other genres, if even for small parts
it's what makes between the buried and me so good. their ability to break into completely different sounding sections easily. keeping the listener on their toes
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I guess The Enemy Inside will be the single. The title kind of reminds me of Constant Motion. Probably because it sounds :metal and CM was a pretty metal sounding single.
Yet another Rush-esque referenced song title (aka "The Enemy Within"). Although it could be more about JP's inner "bear" trying to come out too often. :biggrin:
Since they named the tour after Along for the Ride... I'll go with that as the first single.
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I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside
Already loving it, not even heard it yet haha.
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I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside
Already loving it, not even heard it yet haha.
Seems to be a powerful chorus!
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I've never understood how people can judge lyrics before hearing them in a song. To me, the words don't really anything for me if I don't hear them in context.
Not saying it's wrong, I just can't do it.
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I like bands that tap into many genres, even if for a small part. A little blast beat here, a little jazzy part there, a couple of heavy songs...keeps things interesting.
I agree with that - as long as it's appropriate to the song. The blast beat in ANtR seems to have been inserted in there just so that MP could try to do a blast beat. Personally, I hate blast beats - while they require a lot of technique, there's nothing interesting about them. However, in the right setting, a small amount can help the song. The one example that specifically comes to mind is the song Hybrid Times from Riverside, time stamp 8:34-8:39 - the blast beat works perfectly for the way the song builds up to the climax. If MM uses the blast beat in an appropriate way like that, I'd have no problem with it.
Perhaps they'll add some instrumental tracks throughout the setlist, so he can take longer breaks and rest his voice inbetween songs.
This! I'd love to see them bring back a number of live-only instrumental songs that have sections allowing for some improvisation, like they did on the Images and Tour/Music in Progress tours of 1992-1993. Over the course of that tour, they did 7 different instrumentals other than the extended improv/soloing following To Live Forever.
What do you think are the chances of them playing Wait for Sleep this tour?
Considering that they did that song on the last tour, it's too difficult to say. Not sure to what extent they'll be changing things up from tour to tour like they used to on previous tours. But to be on the safe side, don't bank on it.
I think it also has a lot to do with the setlist. Some songs, if performed night after night (or even every other night), put a lot of strain on the vocal cords. A cleverly designed set list with a couple of strategically placed instrumentals would make it a lot easier to cope with.
Exactly - that's part of what allows Rush to continue doing Evening With tours, despite the fact that Geddy is gonna be 60 soon (if he's not already)!
Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour.
My understanding is that that is the case.
Yay!
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I think blast beats are total crap. They just sound like a bunch of fast repetitious banging. No groove or beat to them at all. Now someone is going to argue me with "Isn't that what all drumming is?" or something like that.
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I like blast beats, when it's done right. Peter Wildoer can do it, but MPdoesn't.
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When I first got into death metal during it's prime, I was blown away as to how fast blast beats were.
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I don't know if anyone has asked this yet but....
If MP was still in the band how could he get to change the album name to the always fitting drum pun of his drumming DVD?
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I don't know if anyone has asked this yet but....
If MP was still in the band how could he get to change the album name to the always fitting drum pun of his drumming DVD?
Drum Beater?
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I don't know if anyone has asked this yet but....
If MP was still in the band how could he get to change the album name to the always fitting drum pun of his drumming DVD?
Drum Beater?
Only Possible Option surely ?
Drum Theater at the very least.
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I don't know if anyone has asked this yet but....
If MP was still in the band how could he get to change the album name to the always fitting drum pun of his drumming DVD?
Drum Theater. Easy.
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Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour. Looks like I may have to travel to Atlanta, but that will be fine even if I have to go by myself. I have not found too many folks that even know of Dream Theater in my area of the US(Tennessee).
My wife likes some of the stuff, but can only handle so much. She still cannot get the name correct. When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D
Agreed on the "Evening With..." format hopes for the US tour. Oh, I'll be traveling to Atlanta from TN (Chattanooga) as well and bringing those I have made into DT converts :metal
Atlanta's probably my only hope too, still a 3-hour drive from Tuscaloosa AL.
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What if the album STARTS with the orchestra??? :neverusethis:
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I think that's a very reasonable option, considering it's called a 'Suite'.
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:omg: What if the first song is ONLY the orchestra ? !
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:omg: What if the first song is ONLY the orchestra ? !
Either way, it'll be suite... :neverusethis:
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I have no idea where I could find the chart from the studio report right now, but I definitely remember that all the songs included some instrumentation by at least some of the band members.
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I have no idea where I could find the chart from the studio report right now, but I definitely remember that all the songs included some instrumentation by at least some of the band members.
Yep, that's true. I think the orchestra is on at least one of the epics.
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Perhaps we can speculate on this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc_1fwJmBk8&feature=player_detailpage#t=52s
And then CSI filter this (top right corner)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc_1fwJmBk8&feature=player_detailpage#t=53s
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What if the album STARTS with the orchestra??? :neverusethis:
(https://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130312005204/walkingdead/images/4/42/I-See-What-You-Did-There..png)
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I think blast beats are total crap. They just sound like a bunch of fast repetitious banging. No groove or beat to them at all. Now someone is going to argue me with "Isn't that what all drumming is?" or something like that.
Well you're 100% wrong about that. Great extreme drummers like Derek Roddy, Flo Mounier, George Kolias etc etc play them at warp speed while perfectly in time, whether it's 220bpm or 300bpm.
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I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside
Already loving it, not even heard it yet haha.
Where did this come from?
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300bpm? I've never heard of that, can't even imagine what that sounds like.
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I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside
Already loving it, not even heard it yet haha.
Where did this come from?
There was a picture that was officially released with those lyrics on a sheet.
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Yep - Cove City Sound Studios posted a shot to facebook. James LaBrie recording vocals, with those lyrics on the sheet. Think it's been taken down since, but not in a hurry.
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I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside
Already loving it, not even heard it yet haha.
Where did this come from?
It came from people standing on the sidelines
Watching through the looking glass
caught up in their own gravity
glorifying madness
singing their own praise
:neverusethis:
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Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)
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There was a picture that was officially released with those lyrics on a sheet.
Yep - Cove City Sound Studios posted a shot to facebook. James LaBrie recording vocals, with those lyrics on the sheet. Think it's been taken down since, but not in a hurry.
Ah, alright. Thanks for clarifying, guys. :tup
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Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)
I think that's a little harsh :P I will concede that Dream Theater has never been the best at coming up with good song titles, though I don't see these as any worse than past albums.
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Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)
Kind of curious of what you think are good song titles?
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Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)
I think that's a little harsh :P I will concede that Dream Theater has never been the best at coming up with good song titles, though I don't see these as any worse than past albums.
Personally, I think it's ridiculous to judge whether the titles are "good" or "bad" without actually having heard the songs the titles go with. Whether a title is "good" or not depends in large part on how well it embodies the character of the song.
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The only song title that's not interesting to me is Along For The Ride. That sounds like a generic 70's rock title. Sounds like it would be a Walk Beside You or Innocence Faded style song.
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Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)
I think that's a little harsh :P I will concede that Dream Theater has never been the best at coming up with good song titles, though I don't see these as any worse than past albums.
Personally, I think it's ridiculous to judge whether the titles are "good" or "bad" without actually having heard the songs the titles go with. Whether a title is "good" or not depends in large part on how well it embodies the character of the song.
yes. Also to me DT song titles always seem really weird and outlandish until I have heard the music. I have to say the only exception was when the track titles for BC&SL were revealed, I thought the names were pretty awesome and that we really were getting the album with ACOS, Octavariaum and whatever songs Portnoy alluded to ( :facepalm:).
The song names definitely make more 'sense' on listening to the actual music.
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The only song title that's not interesting to me is Along For The Ride. That sounds like a generic 70's rock title. Sounds like it would be a Walk Beside You or Innocence Faded style song.
Fine by me. I personally love innocence faded and would like to see one song on the new album that's similar to it
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I was really rooting for Dream Theatour, can we all call it like that until they cave in? :'( or at least produce an inside joke.
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:omg:
I'm trying hard not to get too excited right now. I have a feeling that we could be in for something really special come September 24th. I'm really excited about the tracklist, particularly the song titles. Sure, they might be a little cheesy, but it's DT after all. I loved the quote of JP saying that people are going to be "freaked out" by Mangini's drumming on the album. I don't know, but that seemed like more than just the typical pre-album bluster to me.
I'm kind of in the middle on the logo. It's not the biggest deal that they changed it, but I understand where people like Blob are coming from. No offense to anyone, but I find it surprising that some people don't see the difference, I noticed it instantly. It also seems like weird timing, and I feel that ADTOE would have been a more appropriate time for a logo alteration, with the drummer change.
As far as the cover itself, I get a little of a DSOTM and Black Album vibe, which I don't think is purely coincidental. DT has never been shy about showing their influences, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was another way to do so. I agree that the way the earth just cuts off is a bit of an eyesore, and would prefer to see it cleaned up before actually being released, but I am not expecting that.
Either way, I'm not going to allow my opinion of the cover or the logo to affect my enjoyment of the album (not that I'm implying those who strongly dislike both are going to do so). Close to the Edge is my favorite Yes album, and one of my favorites of all time, and it has a terrible cover.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942351_10151476147082181_1618737237_n.jpg)
New pic on the FB page.
Also, am I the only one who digs this pic? They look very... confident and together. And I actually think JP's coat is pretty cool, he looks like some prog metal pimp or something. :lol
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Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)
Kind of curious of what you think are good song titles?
Y'know, I've never really thought of a title as "good" exactly". Just ones that turn me off. I don't really like these ones at all. Like I said it doesn't really matter to me because it doesn't affect the music, I guess I just feel that way.
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Also, am I the only one who digs this pic? They look very... confident and together. And I actually think JP's coat is pretty cool, he looks like some prog metal pimp or something. :lol
I dunno, it seems like they're trying to look really metal, and not quite pulling it off.
JP's jacket is really cool, though.
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Also, am I the only one who digs this pic? They look very... confident and together. And I actually think JP's coat is pretty cool, he looks like some prog metal pimp or something. :lol
The way James is holding his wrist seems *really* strange and forced... Jordan looks like he got caught saying something... seems like an odd picture.
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^ This is by far their worst promo photo.
They all seem unnatural and forced.
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I think blast beats are total crap. They just sound like a bunch of fast repetitious banging. No groove or beat to them at all. Now someone is going to argue me with "Isn't that what all drumming is?" or something like that.
I'm right with you. I don't like the sound at all. The beginning of JLB's new single for example. It just sounds wrong.
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Personally, I think it's ridiculous to judge whether the titles are "good" or "bad" without actually having heard the songs the titles go with. Whether a title is "good" or not depends in large part on how well it embodies the character of the song.
Pretty much this.
While I definitely can understand that some titles could come off as contrived I really do think that it's impossible to fully judge a title without first hearing the song. Working titles exist for a reason and this time only one working title made it to the end. That should mean that the rest of the songs received their official titles after they were fully composed. I'd say; hold your fire for now. :yarr
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MM. How long has Blackie Lawless been in DT? :biggrin:
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Also, am I the only one who digs this pic? They look very... confident and together. And I actually think JP's coat is pretty cool, he looks like some prog metal pimp or something. :lol
The way James is holding his wrist seems *really* strange and forced... Jordan looks like he got caught saying something... seems like an odd picture.
and JR in camo pants is a bit strange......it looks cool though.
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I dunno, it seems like they're trying to look really metal, and not quite pulling it off.
JP's jacket is really cool, though.
I see what you mean, but when I think of trying to look metal and not pulling it off, one of the promo pics from the SC or BC&SL era come to mind. I think that JM looks a little pensive, Jordan looks pissed, but JP has the badass jacket. I understand what people are saying about James' wrist, that is a little weird. I just like the air of a strong leader that he gives off there. But yeah... I just have to say, Mangini's hair looks extremely feminine.
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Mangini looks like he's ready to block a free kick. :P
I'm just gonna say it. It looks like everyone except Jordan is dying their hair now. I wish they would just be graying rock gods instead. I think that would be awesomer.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942351_10151476147082181_1618737237_n.jpg)
I get the feeling this is the looks DTF would get as the band collectively read the criticisms of the artwork and tracklist.
Jordan is like: "WTF!?!
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I'm just gonna say it. It looks like everyone except Jordan is dying their hair now. I wish they would just be graying rock gods instead. I think that would be awesomer.
I completely agree. Mangini, especially, looks kind of ridiculous.
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I feel like they had to keep telling Mangini not to smile. He looks like he's trying really, really hard not to smile.
Maybe it's just me.
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I feel like they had to keep telling Mangini not to smile. He looks like he's trying really, really hard not to smile.
Maybe it's just me.
It's definitely not just you. :lol He's always smiling.
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I wish I had any skill whatsoever with Photoshop right now. :lol
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And JM is badass like always.
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JM is like:
(https://fluwiki.wikispaces.com/file/view/master%20shifu.jpg/402067784/398x346/master%20shifu.jpg)
:hat
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1003701_165770476939258_23748003_n.jpg)
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Seemingly, some people has watched IN STUDIO parts II and III. Is this possible? Thanks in advance buddies!
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RR uploaded them both but forgot to mark them as private initially.
I saw part 2 once before it was taken down but my lips are sealed........... :hat
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Mangini, especially, looks kind of ridiculous.
Let's curb the criticisms of bandmember appearances, please.
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What's the reason for uploading something restricted?
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Seemingly, some people has watched IN STUDIO parts II and III. Is this possible? Thanks in advance buddies!
Please do not ask people to share information about leaked material. Read the forum rules if you have not already done so, espcially:
2a. Sharing, requests for sharing, offers to share, or discussion of illegally obtaining pirated material is strictly prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, warez, direct links, asking for links/files, and hinting at resources for finding the material.
2b. With regard to "leaked" material, you are not allowed to discuss the leaking or sharing of an album by any artist, or that an album has leaked. In addition to the above, with regard to Dream Theater and side-projects by the members of Dream Theater, you may not discuss the leaked material whatsoever. For other bands, you can in most cases discuss the content of the leaked material as long as you do not reference the leak, where you obtained the material, or sharing the leaked material.
Thanks.
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Sorry but I did not asked for the links. I just wanted to know if that was possible.
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Moreover, I don't think that's a leak if Roadrunner itself uploaded them both but forgot to take measures.
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The point is, we're not supposed to discuss it, because we're not supposed to know about it. Their mistake, not ours, but we're still trying to respect their wishes and wait for the videos to be officially released.
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Moreover, I don't think that's a leak if Roadrunner itself uploaded them both but forgot to take measures.
When something is released by accident, it's still a leak.
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Moreover, I don't think that's a leak if Roadrunner itself uploaded them both but forgot to take measures.
You pretty much described a leak perfectly right there.
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Ok. I' m trowing all my dictionaries because I finally know everything I'm supposed to know about this issue. Thanks!
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Just think about how long it is going to be until DT12 comes out. We still have to finish July. Then we have to go through the WHOLE month of August. And then we need to go through almost ALL of September. God its killing me.
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Just think about how long it is going to be until DT12 comes out. We still have to finish July. Then we have to go through the WHOLE month of August. And then we need to go through almost ALL of September. God its killing me.
Find something else to do til then.
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I'm also waiting for Impermanent Resonance ( James' new album). It comes out on July 29th I think.
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Just think about how long it is going to be until DT12 comes out. We still have to finish July. Then we have to go through the WHOLE month of August. And then we need to go through almost ALL of September. God its killing me.
Find something else to do til then.
Forreal. There's an overwhelming amount of music out there that you haven't heard, and any given artist could be your next Dream Theater. If that can't keep you excited for the next 2 months, then I don't know what will.
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Just think about how long it is going to be until DT12 comes out. We still have to finish July. Then we have to go through the WHOLE month of August. And then we need to go through almost ALL of September. God its killing me.
Find something else to do til then.
(https://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130428141232/dragonball/images/3/30/You_don't_say.png)
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:rollin
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Just think about how long it is going to be until DT12 comes out. We still have to finish July. Then we have to go through the WHOLE month of August. And then we need to go through almost ALL of September. God its killing me.
Find something else to do til then.
*STUPID FAGGOTY MEME INSTEAD OF INTELLECTUAL RESPONSE*
::) ::) ::)
For me - it's gorgeous weather in the UK at the moment and i'm enjoying that and recording my next album and visiting the cinema every few weeks.
Sep will come soon enough if you arent waiting for it on a daily basis.
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I agree ^ So hot over here, also my response was within the same field of intellectual-ness as your 1st response was.
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I agree ^ So hot over here, also my response was within the same field of intellectual-ness as your 1st response was.
Not Even Close.
Some people need to be reminded that checking DTF every day for updates will only make the wait seem longer.
Getting distracted by a hobby or other activities or getting into other bands or films or something will make the wait that much quicker.
I've often remarked that band's albums seem to come out really close together when im not actively waiting for them. Then I found out that it's been 3 or 4 years and I didn't even realise because I wasn't checking for updates every single day or scouring the net for news, etc....
But yeah a meme was the most intelligent reply to all that.
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Both of you need to stop, now. And Kowtowboy, you really need to be more careful about your word choices going forward.
5. Keep your language reasonable. Repeated and inappropriate usage of explicit language is forbidden. Violators will be warned before any serious action is taken. No racially offensive posts. No posts that are derogatory toward gender or sexual preference. No posts that use slang terms for any race, sexual preference, or religious background. Includes signatures.
Come on now. I shouldn't have even had to have pointed that out.
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Sorry Bosk - i get really wound up when I try to make a helpful comment such as find other things to occupy your time with and the wait will go a lot quicker and I just get a smart arse reply. Not even that - a meme.
:chill :heart :) :heart :chill
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It was just banter bosky (well it was for me anyway) but sorry for off topic (if that's what you're telling me off for)
Edit: come on kotowboy, it's just a picture, I didn't think it'd cause this much distress, usually it's just, comment, joke, hahaha, move on here.. but if you feel need, PM me.
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What's a meme?
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time for more popcorn.... :corn
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....So, how 'bout that new Dream Theater album?
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....So, how 'bout that new Dream Theater album?
Seems like it would be great! If not for the cover art, song titles and long wait! :sadpanda:
:xbones :corn
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No PM necessary - as I've mentioned on this forum - i'm just a misery pants. :sadpanda:
NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING !!!! :police: :police: :police:
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What's a meme?
Well, here's one thing that's becoming one.. :\
....So, how 'bout that new Dream Theater album?
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Seems like it would be great! If not for the cover art, song titles and long wait! :sadpanda:
Have you thought about filling your time with other extra curricular activities to lessen the wait ? :neverusethis:
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Seems like it would be great! If not for the cover art, song titles and long wait! :sadpanda:
Have you thought about filling your time with other extra curricular activities to lessen the wait ? :neverusethis:
Extra-curricular activities always get me in trouble... :blush :sadpanda:
:hat
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Must..... Resist....
No worries Kotow. :)
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I am positive that DREAM THEATER will be more eclectic style-wise. They may have combined heaviness and melody the way they are known for. I am sure that some tracks will blow our minds!
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I am positive that DREAM THEATER will be more eclectic style-wise. They may have combined heaviness and melody the way they are known for. I am sure that some tracks will blow our minds!
Atta boy! THAT'S the spirit! :tup
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Don't know if this has been mentioned...
In the "Episode 1: DT in the Studio" video on YouTube, at around the 0:06-0:09 mark, it seems that we might have gotten a brief glimpse into the new album cover.
Does anyone else see this?
Posting this again to get some of your guys' opinions.
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Must..... Resist....
No worries Kotow. :)
..quick tangent - but i've considered getting help for but I don't see what the point would be...I don't want to take medication so why go ?
Don't know if this has been mentioned...
In the "Episode 1: DT in the Studio" video on YouTube, at around the 0:06-0:09 mark, it seems that we might have gotten a brief glimpse into the new album cover.
Does anyone else see this?
Posting this again to get some of your guys' opinions.
Screen caps would be good.
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That little blue font is making me blind :o
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Just saw on DTs twitter: "An evening with Dream Theater "Along for the Ride" world tour..."
The whole tour being "Evening with..." format seems confirmed to me. I would link, but I'm stupid when it comes to posting pics or screen caps.
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What's a meme?
Well, here's one thing that's becoming one.. :\
....So, how 'bout that new Dream Theater album?
Just trying to keep discussion on track. Don't want this one to get locked, too.
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I'm pretty sure this thread won't last until the end of September either. I guess we''ll need like four of them to carry us until the release of the album :lol
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Don't know if this has been mentioned...
In the "Episode 1: DT in the Studio" video on YouTube, at around the 0:06-0:09 mark, it seems that we might have gotten a brief glimpse into the new album cover.
Does anyone else see this?
Posting this again to get some of your guys' opinions.
Are you talking about this? This is all I see from :06 - :09...
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3751/9263704873_b14979c676_m.jpg)
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Yeah and it's just a lens flare effect on the video to me..
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I think they rather look menacing in a futuristic cowboy sort of a way. :millahhhh
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I wonder what will the CD/DVD extra content consist of. I mean, in studio ep.1 is much shorter compared to a single episode of the Spirit Carries on documentary. Is it only a small part and we'll have a full-lenght documentary (e.g. 60 min.) or we'll see something else?
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I know there's a docu on the Luna Park DVD so I dunno.
I REALLY want the entire album played live in the studio. :hefdaddy
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Does anyone else remember JP mentioning in an interview that he wanted the fans to hear the new album in its entirety with virgin ears? To experience it without any preconceived notions?
It's the complete opposite of how they handled the pre release of ADTOE, but I think that means we won't be getting any snippets and possibly no pre release single.
Is this possible? Does that interview exist? Am I crazy?
Super excited for DT12! :metal
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that's just not possible to do nowadays. snippets will always be there. there's always some foreign amazon site that gets them early.
i think he's talking more about speculation and how fans blow anything they say in the pre-release out of proportion
last time around mangini not writing with them and JP programming rough drum ideas somehow equated to: mangini wrote nothing of his own, JP completely wrote all the drum ideas (yes there are people who still believe that)
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Close to the Edge has a terrible cover.
No, it doesn't.
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Close to the Edge has a terrible cover.
Wat. Close To The Edge is so cool. All other green covers pale in comparison.
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Seeing as I don't know of any other all green album covers, I can't compare. :lol
Maybe terrible was the wrong word. Extremely boring, how about that. The artwork on the inside of the album is awesome, though.
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I dunno, I like the simplicity of it. Yes album covers are awesome, but they're so involved that they don't leave much to the imagination. So in that sense, Close to the Edge is a bit of a blank canvas, in that regard. And the green just gives off an earthy feel that I love.
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Close to the Edge has a terrible cover.
Wat. Close To The Edge is so cool. All other green covers pale in comparison.
Exactly. It is so amazing. It's so simplistic but the colors just look so beautiful for some reason and the inside of it is just magnificent. I bought a vinyl of it just because I love the art so much and I have it sitting next to me.
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that's just not possible to do nowadays. snippets will always be there. there's always some foreign amazon site that gets them early.
i think he's talking more about speculation and how fans blow anything they say in the pre-release out of proportion
last time around mangini not writing with them and JP programming rough drum ideas somehow equated to: mangini wrote nothing of his own, JP completely wrote all the drum ideas (yes there are people who still believe that)
Who would possibly do something like that?? :lol
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Nobody here!
Surely, he's paranoid and overreacting! :loser:
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Close to the Edge has a terrible cover.
No, it doesn't.
I think it has an atrocious cover when compared to their others. The inside is a different story though.
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I usually don't like resurrecting long-dead jokes and beating long-dead horses, but the "Along the Ride Tour" thing is just begging for a Horatio Caine meme iteration.
But at this point if someone tries to pull it off and just messes it up somehow, that joke will be dead forever.
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I usually don't like resurrecting long-dead jokes and beating long-dead horses, but the "Along the Ride Tour" thing is just begging for a Horatio Caine meme iteration.
But at this point if someone tries to pull it off and just messes it up somehow, that joke will be dead forever.
You mean like this?
(https://i.qkme.me/3v5gvi.jpg)
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Yes, except funny.
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Yes, except funny.
Ah, I was trying to mess it up and make it so that the joke is "dead forever". I guess the meme wasn't bad enough (which I find a little surprising honestly)
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Yeah, but a last hurrah wouldn't have been so bad.
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So I just got back from a week long trip, give or take, with no internet.
The cover looks good. I like the minimalism of it. I'm guessing there will probably be a sticker with the name on the shrinkwrap.
The track listing; those titles definitely seem like new ground for DT, which is something I remember saying about the ADTOE track titles, and ADTOE ended up being fantastic. Some of them are a bit... odd... but then The Count of Tuscany ended up being great, so I'll wait and see.
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Loving the new cover art it will look great on a tshirt :-) titles look good as well can't wait to hear it :metal
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I'm really looking forward to the announcement and preorder availability of the bigass badass limited edition box set.
The BCSL/ADTOE sets are just great, both visually appealing and with all the extras. There were instrumental mix CDs, silver tickets, golden tickets, a song stem DVD, an additional cover songs CD, and of course the vinyl versions with extended artwork.
What do you think will be the special extras in the DT12 box set? I'll get it anyway, just curious. :angel:
Greetings...
Nef
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942351_10151476147082181_1618737237_n.jpg)
New pic on the FB page.
Also, am I the only one who digs this pic? They look very... confident and together. And I actually think JP's coat is pretty cool, he looks like some prog metal pimp or something. :lol
JLB and JR are my favourites in this pic.
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Mangini hair looks like a woman's hair.
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And JP looks odd in that coat. Probably because we've always seen him in a T-shirt.
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Mangini hair looks like a woman's hair.
Is that supposed to be derogatory or what?
The poses are all forced, but it's not like DT dudes are photo models, it's hardly a quality they should possess, don't y'all think? :tup They look pretty damn fine to me.
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Mangini hair looks like a woman's hair.
Is that supposed to be derogatory or what?
The poses are all forced, but it's not like DT dudes are photo models, it's hardly a quality they should possess, don't y'all think? :tup They look pretty damn fine to me.
I agree that the poses are forced, but this is actually the photographers fault. There are far better promo photos from them.
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Don't know if this has been pointed out before, and it might seem farfetched, but the song titles kinda remind me of previous DT albums, as in the topics they deal with:
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE - SC. "False awakening" and it's subtitles are somewhat descriptive for Forsaken, ITPOE, TDEN and MOLS
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE - SDOIT. Mental illness and stuff.
3. THE LOOKING GLASS - FII. The Cover! ;D Yeah, this one is tough.
4. ENIGMA MACHINE - 8VM. Should be self-explanatory
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE - BCSL. Theres always a silver lining if you look at the bigger picture. All BCSL songs come down to that.
6. BEHIND THE VEIL - Awake. Deals with many aspects of seclusion and isolation, e.g. being behind a veil
7. SURRENDER TO REASON - ACOS. Come to terms with yourself and seize the day.
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE - TOT. Trains. Ride. Obvious right? ;D
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY - SFAM. Just look at the title and subtitles. Its like SFAM in a nutshell.
I'm probably stretching things here but it kinda jumped me when i read the titles.
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Mangini hair looks like a woman's hair.
Yeah, It really does.
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I think JP looks like a boss in that jacket. I don't think it's a bad photo I think it's just kinda funny cause they're trying to look badass but you still get a strong dad vibe from it :lol
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They should have used that new phone app that lets you fix each persons face. All of their expressions just seem odd to me . . . except JMX of course.
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It's a strange photo, I guess. Mangini does look like he's trying too hard not to be a sweetheart he is, and there's something odd about the way James is holding his hand. But who cares. ;D
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Agree on Mangini's hair looking girlish, and JP looks like an extra from the TV show Firefly.
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JP looks like an extra from the TV show Firefly.
YES! :lol
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Don't know if this has been pointed out before, and it might seem farfetched, but the song titles kinda remind me of previous DT albums, as in the topics they deal with:
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE - SC. "False awakening" and it's subtitles are somewhat descriptive for Forsaken, ITPOE, TDEN and MOLS
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE - SDOIT. Mental illness and stuff.
3. THE LOOKING GLASS - FII. The Cover! ;D Yeah, this one is tough.
4. ENIGMA MACHINE - 8VM. Should be self-explanatory
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE - BCSL. Theres always a silver lining if you look at the bigger picture. All BCSL songs come down to that.
6. BEHIND THE VEIL - Awake. Deals with many aspects of seclusion and isolation, e.g. being behind a veil
7. SURRENDER TO REASON - ACOS. Come to terms with yourself and seize the day.
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE - TOT. Trains. Ride. Obvious right? ;D
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY - SFAM. Just look at the title and subtitles. Its like SFAM in a nutshell.
I'm probably stretching things here but it kinda jumped me when i read the titles.
A bit far fetched (especially the FAS one), but still a clever find :tup
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I'm sure we do the " is this album about all their albums " every time they bring out a new CD. :P
Or my memory is playing tricks on me ! ;D
If any album is about another - WDADU is clearly about DT12 since Dream Theater is the name of the album and the sun is rising behind the earth..
It's when Dream ( theater ) and Day ( time ) Unite !
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This may have been mentioned already, but from a quick glance, I don't think any acronyms for the new songs are the same as any other DT songs or albums... or are there some I'm forgetting?
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This may have been mentioned already, but from a quick glance, I don't think any acronyms for the new songs are the same as any other DT songs or albums... or are there some I'm forgetting?
AYe it has been mentioned already and no they do not overlap :)
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T'was me, they don't overlap, but I think 2 are close or something
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Cool. That's very considerate of them!
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JP looks like an extra from the TV show Firefly.
YES! :lol
Exactly! Browncoats, unite! :lol
I do like the coat, tho. :hat
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A quick wallpaper I made :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
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Nice^ I'm reminded of Testament - The New Order.
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That took me all of 5 minutes and I prefer it to the actual artwork :lol
I wonder if the band realise how ludicrously easy it is make decent artwork and how badly they're getting ripped off ?
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A quick wallpaper I made :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
Cool, do you have a larger version? i.e 1920x1080?
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Well, we don't know the identity of the artist. For all we know that could have been made by JP himself or by one of their children for a little more than an icecream :lol
By the way, why does the blue gas cuts so suddenly into darkness on the left of the logo? Boooooo! :biggrin:
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A quick wallpaper I made :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
Cool, do you have a larger version? i.e 1920x1080?
I'll see what I can do ? :)
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So I guess the new forum theme will be pure black?
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A quick wallpaper I made :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
Cool, do you have a larger version? i.e 1920x1080?
https://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/kotowboy/MyWallpaperLARGE.png~original
How's this ? ;P
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That took me all of 5 minutes and I prefer it to the actual artwork :lol
I wonder if the band realise how ludicrously easy it is make decent artwork and how badly they're getting ripped off ?
To be fair, if you think it's ludicrously easy, you're not really aware of all it entails. Could you have made that Majesty logo on your own? Did you do any editing to that planet other than maybe colour tweaks and placement? Yeah, it's a cool image, but you're just taking other people's work and pasting them together, not really creating an original image on your own. It looks good because someone else made a nice image that you nabbed, not because it's ludicrously easy to do. And this is for a cover that is nothing but a planet and a logo.
Criticize Hugh Syme for his use of stock images, but if you actually look at the details, there is still a lot of work in putting them together to create a unique image that isn't just flogged from DeviantArt, and in the composition/arrangement, not to mention coming up with the ideas and concepts to begin with. If you come up with a fresh idea, and create that image from scratch on your own, you'd see all that is involved. Then multiply that by 8-10 for all of the booklet art too, and maybe you'll gain some perspective before stating so boldly that DT is being ripped is because you have a copy of Photoshop too.
I'm not absolving Hugh Syme for his mistakes, as I'm as critical as anyone else here of DT's covers, but I don't think you really appreciate the work that is involved even for what people consider "lazy".
/rant
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A quick wallpaper I made :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
I cannot un-see the square of space in the top left corner
:neverusethis::neverusethis::neverusethis:
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Reminds me of...
(https://www.vblurpage.com/images/universal_cd1-euro_cover_big.jpg)
Wearing that t-shirt right now. It's almost 20 years old.
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So I guess the new forum theme will be pure black?
I hope so. Bored with this theme.
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A quick wallpaper I made :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
I cannot un-see the square of space in the top left corner
:neverusethis::neverusethis::neverusethis:
:lol :lol
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That took me all of 5 minutes and I prefer it to the actual artwork :lol
I wonder if the band realise how ludicrously easy it is make decent artwork and how badly they're getting ripped off ?
To be fair, if you think it's ludicrously easy, you're not really aware of all it entails. Could you have made that Majesty logo on your own? Did you do any editing to that planet other than maybe colour tweaks and placement? Yeah, it's a cool image, but you're just taking other people's work and pasting them together, not really creating an original image on your own. It looks good because someone else made a nice image that you nabbed, not because it's ludicrously easy to do. And this is for a cover that is nothing but a planet and a logo.
Criticize Hugh Syme for his use of stock images, but if you actually look at the details, there is still a lot of work in putting them together to create a unique image that isn't just flogged from DeviantArt, and in the composition/arrangement, not to mention coming up with the ideas and concepts to begin with. If you come up with a fresh idea, and create that image from scratch on your own, you'd see all that is involved. Then multiply that by 8-10 for all of the booklet art too, and maybe you'll gain some perspective before stating so boldly that DT is being ripped is because you have a copy of Photoshop too.
I'm not absolving Hugh Syme for his mistakes, as I'm as critical as anyone else here of DT's covers, but I don't think you really appreciate the work that is involved even for what people consider "lazy".
/rant
My brother is a Photoshop artist too and i've seen the amount of work that he puts into his covers and he is an absolute perfectionist.
He doesn't do it for a living - he just has pride in his work.
I guess if you'd been getting away with charging for as long as Syme has - you no longer care.
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A quick wallpaper I made :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
This is pretty good! I feel like the lens flare would be more of a radial effect and less of a straight line as the sun came over the earth, but that might just be a personal thing.
Still a fan of the original too, since I can't see the line on my phone anyway. :biggrin:
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Man, that looks great. I wouldn't mind a widescreen size of it :)
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https://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/kotowboy/MyWallpaperLARGE.png~original
How is this Zydar ? :zydar:
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Outstanding :zydar:
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There's still errors but I did it for myself mainly and i'm absolutely TERRIBLE at photoshop :lol
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Can somebody please take that band shot and do 5 more versions with each band members face occupying all the other members at once. You know, one with just JPs face, one with just MMs..........and so on.
I find those pics quite ticklish and frankly I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
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A quick wallpaper I made :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
Cool, do you have a larger version? i.e 1920x1080?
https://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/kotowboy/MyWallpaperLARGE.png~original (https://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/kotowboy/MyWallpaperLARGE.png~original)
How's this ? ;P
;D :tup
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Mangini hair looks like a woman's hair.
Is that supposed to be derogatory or what?
The poses are all forced, but it's not like DT dudes are photo models, it's hardly a quality they should possess, don't y'all think? :tup They look pretty damn fine to me.
I don't think that was supposed to be derogatory. It looks like Mangini is wearing one of those bump-its from the infomercials. :lol
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To be fair, if you think it's ludicrously easy, you're not really aware of all it entails. Could you have made that Majesty logo on your own? Did you do any editing to that planet other than maybe colour tweaks and placement? Yeah, it's a cool image, but you're just taking other people's work and pasting them together, not really creating an original image on your own. It looks good because someone else made a nice image that you nabbed, not because it's ludicrously easy to do. And this is for a cover that is nothing but a planet and a logo.
Criticize Hugh Syme for his use of stock images, but if you actually look at the details, there is still a lot of work in putting them together to create a unique image that isn't just flogged from DeviantArt, and in the composition/arrangement, not to mention coming up with the ideas and concepts to begin with. If you come up with a fresh idea, and create that image from scratch on your own, you'd see all that is involved. Then multiply that by 8-10 for all of the booklet art too, and maybe you'll gain some perspective before stating so boldly that DT is being ripped is because you have a copy of Photoshop too.
I'm not absolving Hugh Syme for his mistakes, as I'm as critical as anyone else here of DT's covers, but I don't think you really appreciate the work that is involved even for what people consider "lazy".
/rant
Very well stated! I'd also like to add that ray-tracing would have been a viable, fantastic and time consuming way to achieve a great cover based on this concept. I have great respect for people who create great art with ray tracing...I dabbled in it for a few years back in the 80's and know how difficult it is to get effects like this.
(https://hof.povray.org/images/800x600/DistantShores.jpg)
I think record companies are overlooking a valuable asset by not employing ray-tracing artists. https://hof.povray.org/ (https://hof.povray.org/)
OT: I really dig JP's jacket in that photo as well. Though, the fleur de li does seem a bit odd.
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Very well stated! I'd also like to add that ray-tracing would have been a viable, fantastic and time consuming way to achieve a great cover based on this concept. I have great respect for people who create great art with ray tracing...I dabbled in it for a few years back in the 80's and know how difficult it is to get effects like this.
(https://hof.povray.org/images/800x600/DistantShores.jpg)
I think record companies are overlooking a valuable asset by not employing ray-tracing artists. https://hof.povray.org/ (https://hof.povray.org/)
I hear DT have a pretty good "ray-tracing artist" for their live projection videos. :blob:
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I heard that too.
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I hear DT have a pretty good "ray-tracing artist" for their live projection videos. :blob:
:biggrin: Touche
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anyway, Rich Chycki on twitter has denied the autenticity of every leak uploaded on youtube, but the most important thing is that he considers DT12 as 'a pretty special album'.
I've decided that this means that DT12 will sound just like Winter Rose.
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anyway, Rich Chycki on twitter has denied the autenticity of every leak uploaded on youtube, but the most important thing is that he considers DT12 as 'a pretty special album'.
I've decided that this means that DT12 will sound just like Winter Rose.
I'd be down with that.
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That cover is really cool.
It would be funny if the band and record company came up with the idea of putting out the cover and list and then changing for the final product.
For some reason 'along for the ride' got me thinking of the Count of Tuscany.
A quick wallpaper I made :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
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Along the Ride got me more thinking about Home... :neverusethis:
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I've never really been much of a critic concerning DT's cover art. It is what it is and if it wasn't, it would be something else. In other words, it is exactly how they want it and that's fine with me. After all, we don't buy DT albums to look at the covers all day. It's the quality of music within that counts.
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I've never really been much of a critic concerning DT's cover art. It is what it is and if it wasn't, it would be something else. In other words, it is exactly how they want it and that's fine with me. After all, we don't buy DT albums to look at the covers all day. It's the quality of music within that counts.
:tup Me too. But that cut off graphic is pretty amateurish. Hopefully that's just the mock-up.
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anyway, Rich Chycki on twitter has denied the autenticity of every leak uploaded on youtube, but the most important thing is that he considers DT12 as 'a pretty special album'.
I've decided that this means that DT12 will sound just like Winter Rose.
As long as James sounds like he did on WR, no problem. :neverusethis:
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That took me all of 5 minutes and I prefer it to the actual artwork :lol
I wonder if the band realise how ludicrously easy it is make decent artwork and how badly they're getting ripped off ?
To be fair, if you think it's ludicrously easy, you're not really aware of all it entails. Could you have made that Majesty logo on your own? Did you do any editing to that planet other than maybe colour tweaks and placement? Yeah, it's a cool image, but you're just taking other people's work and pasting them together, not really creating an original image on your own. It looks good because someone else made a nice image that you nabbed, not because it's ludicrously easy to do. And this is for a cover that is nothing but a planet and a logo.
Criticize Hugh Syme for his use of stock images, but if you actually look at the details, there is still a lot of work in putting them together to create a unique image that isn't just flogged from DeviantArt, and in the composition/arrangement, not to mention coming up with the ideas and concepts to begin with. If you come up with a fresh idea, and create that image from scratch on your own, you'd see all that is involved. Then multiply that by 8-10 for all of the booklet art too, and maybe you'll gain some perspective before stating so boldly that DT is being ripped is because you have a copy of Photoshop too.
I'm not absolving Hugh Syme for his mistakes, as I'm as critical as anyone else here of DT's covers, but I don't think you really appreciate the work that is involved even for what people consider "lazy".
/rant
Agreed. there's a huge gap between executing and concept-thinking. as well between artist and photoshop geek.
i cant judge before i know the concept in total.
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Nothing wrong with female musicians in my opinion. Some of my favorite bands are Warpaint and Drain STH, both all girl bands.
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Nothing wrong with female musicians in my opinion. Some of my favorite bands are Warpaint and Drain STH, both all girl bands.
No I just meant my complete lack of musical talent. I love female musicians. I'm a big fan of Halestorm mainly because of Lzzy Hale. :metal
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While this is plenty entertaining, let's keep this stuff in the pic thread please. I'm going to move the existing ones. This thread is going to get plenty long as it is with actual new album info. Thanks.
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SO, how about that Dream Theater Dream Theater album ? :police:
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It's going to sound very like Dream Theater, that's what I hear! ;)
*shhhh don't tell anyone!* :censored
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I'm relentlessly listening to older DT albums to try and pass the time until the new album. I've listened through FII and Octavarium! And it's only... *checks time* 3:33 PM.
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This is going to be harder than I thought.
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I'm really excited for the new album. Some new info would be nice, but I suspect what's coming in the videos and all other presale promo stuff is gonna be amazing and give me that nervous, "so excited i'm gonna hurl" feeling.
This is like the longest Christmas Eve in history!
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I'm really excited for the new album. Some new info would be nice, but I suspect what's coming in the videos and all other presale promo stuff is gonna be amazing and give me that nervous, "so excited i'm gonna hurl" feeling.
This is like the longest Christmas Eve in history!
Agreed. I want to know what the North American tour dates will be! I don't care how far I have to travel.
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I'm really excited for the new album. Some new info would be nice, but I suspect what's coming in the videos and all other presale promo stuff is gonna be amazing and give me that nervous, "so excited i'm gonna hurl" feeling.
This is like the longest Christmas Eve in history!
Well, what is typical is once an album is done, there is usually a 10-12 week promotional/marketing cycle before release date. Since the press release with album title and track listing, etc., we're right about in that general timeline. I think what makes it feel even longer than the norm is the fact that we've known they were working on the album for quite awhile now, and we were told the release date pretty far in advance. So that's a bit unusual. But otherwise, this is pretty much in line with industry standard. What that means is that during this next period, they are doing things like finalizing the album art, figuring out the release of any initial singles or videos, making preparations to ramp up other marketing and promotion efforts, and then pressing and distributing the physical copies. I guarantee that there is a lot going on right now, even if we may not see it just yet.
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I'd love to see them live with MM. I've only seen them in the declining time with MP, when it didn't look like they were having much fun. I'm gonna have to road trip somewhere to see them though. Gas prices on top of ticket prices might keep me away. I hope they'll do a dvd of the tour. We'll see.
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While this is plenty entertaining, let's keep this stuff in the pic thread please. I'm going to move the existing ones. This thread is going to get plenty long as it is with actual new album info. Thanks.
Fair ;)
For me this new CD will mark an new era, just like we can segregate the ones from Rush, (from 68 to 76, 76 to 81, 81 to 88, ...). We are on a treat and we will be all amazed. This is how I'm trilled about it. Being self title, getting an unusual artwork, nice titles, I'm pumped :metal
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I'm really excited for the new album. Some new info would be nice, but I suspect what's coming in the videos and all other presale promo stuff is gonna be amazing and give me that nervous, "so excited i'm gonna hurl" feeling.
This is like the longest Christmas Eve in history!
Well, what is typical is once an album is done, there is usually a 10-12 week promotional/marketing cycle before release date. Since the press release with album title and track listing, etc., we're right about in that general timeline. I think what makes it feel even longer than the norm is the fact that we've known they were working on the album for quite awhile now, and we were told the release date pretty far in advance. So that's a bit unusual. But otherwise, this is pretty much in line with industry standard. What that means is that during this next period, they are doing things like finalizing the album art, figuring out the release of any initial singles or videos, making preparations to ramp up other marketing and promotion efforts, and then pressing and distributing the physical copies. I guarantee that there is a lot going on right now, even if we may not see it just yet.
I get that Bosk, I'm just like a kid in a candy store, waiting for parents to show up with money so I can get a treat. I know there's a ton going on right now. RR is one of the most devoted, industrious and social media conscious labels out there. It's just hard to contain my excitement for this album.
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I know exactly what you mean. The night befor ADTOE came out I was like an 8 year old on Christmas eve. Don't think I got to sleep until 5 AM I was so excited. I have a feeling this one might be even worse ;)
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They also need time to print/cut the releases. That's a lot of CD's, DVD's and vinyl! Some bands have released their album digitally first, then a physical release comes months later.
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I wouldn't mind if there was a digital release like...tomorrow. Just saying.
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I wouldn't mind if there was a digital release like...tomorrow. Just saying.
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I wouldn't mind if there was a digital release like...tomorrow. Just saying.
Yeah... Its mixed and mastered right? Just release it. Upload it to iTunes or something.
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I wouldn't mind if there was a digital release like...tomorrow. Just saying.
Yeah... Its mixed and mastered right? Just release it. Upload it to iTunes or something.
That's what I'm talking about. Everyone will be happy! :biggrin:
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What did Hannibal Lecter say? "All good things to those who wait." :hat
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Let's keep in mind that even since before MP left, DT has started to garner more attention and attract new fans. With that (and the absence of MP handling it per the norm), Roadrunner and/or DT are putting much more thought into a "marketing plan". That means that while things aren't going to proceed exactly as they have done in the past, know that it's all being done to make us happy. :corn
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A digital release would be also incredible for Live at Luna Park. According to OTE the product was finished and ready for release. The eternal waiting is killing me.
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Have I missed something ?
Has there been a contest where DT fans submit the most ridiculous and overblown song titles and the band pick the best ones ?
This was my first impression when I saw the track listing for the new album.
Sure this must be some piss-take by the band - there's no way the song titles could be so laughable.
Or could they ??????
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Have I missed something ?
Has there been a contest where DT fans submit the most ridiculous and overblown song titles and the band pick the best ones ?
This was my first impression when I saw the track listing for the new album.
Sure this must be some piss-take by the band - there's no way the song titles could be so laughable.
Or could they ??????
I would suggest that you find a more constructive way to word your opinions. Stating them the way you did is a violatino of forum rules. Specifically:
12. Insults or senseless bashing of the current or former band members of Dream Theater and/or their music will not be tolerated. Honest, open critique is always allowed, provided it does not cross the line and become bashing, belittling, etc.
If you have not read the rules, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with them.
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Have I missed something ?
Has there been a contest where DT fans submit the most ridiculous and overblown song titles and the band pick the best ones ?
This was my first impression when I saw the track listing for the new album.
Sure this must be some piss-take by the band - there's no way the song titles could be so laughable.
Or could they ??????
I think I'd get banned if I responded to this one
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Have I missed something ?
Has there been a contest where DT fans submit the most ridiculous and overblown song titles and the band pick the best ones ?
This was my first impression when I saw the track listing for the new album.
Sure this must be some piss-take by the band - there's no way the song titles could be so laughable.
Or could they ??????
Way to judge before you hear the album :lol
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Exactly !
There was no way of telling that The Count Of Tuscany would be full of sub par lyrics and imagery from looking at the title alone.
Only when we heard the song did we realise that was indeed the case :neverusethis:
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Exactly !
There was no way of telling that The Count Of Tuscany would be full of sub par lyrics and imagery from looking at the title alone.
Only when we heard the song did we realise that was indeed the case :neverusethis:
It was still a damn good song despite the silly lyrics
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Have I missed something ?
Has there been a contest where DT fans submit the most ridiculous and overblown song titles and the band pick the best ones ?
This was my first impression when I saw the track listing for the new album.
Sure this must be some piss-take by the band - there's no way the song titles could be so laughable.
Or could they ??????
Way to judge before you hear the album :lol
Not only this, but I actually found the song titles to be pretty Bitchin' if I say so myself.
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I can overlook not-so-good lyrics if I love the music and/or feel of the song. I guess it's the opposite for many people. Even though I agree with PoW's lyrics, I may not like it as much if it had different music.
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The song titles are fine, nothing mind blowing, but completely fine.
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What's the problem with the titles?
I'm actually hyped because of MM's contribution.
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Lyrics are the least important thing to me - unless they're absolutely awful like :
" i've got so many clothes that I keep them at my Aunt's house. "
or
" I would not like to be a ghost - it's the thing that I fear the most. I'd rather have a slice of toast. "
:lol
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Lyrics are the least important thing to me - unless they're absolutely awful like :
" i've got so many clothes that I keep them at my Aunt's house. "
or
" I would not like to be a ghost - it's the thing that I fear the most. I'd rather have a slice of toast. "
:lol
You leave Des'Ree alone!
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I get a real "New World Order" and "Illuminati" feeling over both the artwork and tracklist. So I guess a concept album could be a possibility unless it's something else.
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Concept album or not, I would like the songs to flow into each other like on SFAM.
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Concept album or not, I would like the songs to flow into each other like on SFAM.
If they flow too much though then I really can't listen to them outside of the entire album. I would like if they sort of transition, like SDOIT, but not so much that I can't listen to the separate if I want to.
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I'm sure the tracks are probably going to transition into each other much like Octavarium did.
Little "segues" in and out of songs
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Concept album or not, I would like the songs to flow into each other like on SFAM.
If they flow too much though then I really can't listen to them outside of the entire album. I would like if they sort of transition, like SDOIT, but not so much that I can't listen to the separate if I want to.
Personally, I find the flow of an album to be much more important to me. Obviously the ideal is to have both a coherent flow and an ability for songs to be extracted as their own, but if I were forced to choose, I would pick an album with songs that can't be listened to in isolation - while limiting the physical time I can listen to the album due to the constraints of my life, it makes the album listening experience so much more engaging and enjoyable to me. Instead of a 20 minute epic, subsequently, I get a 70 minute epic.
Overture 1928 and Strange Deja Vu are great examples of my ideal of a song moving to another. It's just so satisfying to hear that singular moment of transition. Another example would be the transition between Empty Spaces and Young Lust on Pink Floyd's The Wall. So my personal hopes are for a flow like that in the new album. I prefer transitions like that over the ones on 8VM, for example, because they feel more naturally built into the music rather than a general (but admittedly cool) transition of sound effects.
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This is a rather new concept for me, this listening to an album as a whole.
I generally like entire albums of music that I have, but especially with the advent of digital players and my beloved "shuffle" option, I rarely listen to any one artist's work all the way through. I see where albums, particularly rock, it seems (jazz does too, to a degree), would produce a work meant to be enjoyed "in order". It's just interesting to me...it's not how I listen to music.
Not saying that won't change, tho... :) This is all very educational. :coolio
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This is a rather new concept for me, this listening to an album as a whole.
I generally like entire albums of music that I have, but especially with the advent of digital players and my beloved "shuffle" option, I rarely listen to any one artist's work all the way through. I see where albums, particularly rock, it seems (jazz does too, to a degree), would produce a work meant to be enjoyed "in order". It's just interesting to me...it's not how I listen to music.
Not saying that won't change, tho... :) This is all very educational. :coolio
I used to be the same way. I would just randomize everything. Dream Theater is the first band I've preferred to listen to albums in their entirety.
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This is a rather new concept for me, this listening to an album as a whole.
I generally like entire albums of music that I have, but especially with the advent of digital players and my beloved "shuffle" option, I rarely listen to any one artist's work all the way through. I see where albums, particularly rock, it seems (jazz does too, to a degree), would produce a work meant to be enjoyed "in order". It's just interesting to me...it's not how I listen to music.
Not saying that won't change, tho... :) This is all very educational. :coolio
I used to be the same way. I would just randomize everything. Dream Theater is the first band I've preferred to listen to albums in their entirety.
I cut my musical teeth on Pink Floyd and listening to one of their albums in entirety was an experience. I used to get annoyed when an album had no real flow or feeling, but I have gotten more used to singles land with the advent of digital players and internet radio.
However, it still annoys me when my wife skips songs when we are listening to an album straight through.
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This is a rather new concept for me, this listening to an album as a whole.
I generally like entire albums of music that I have, but especially with the advent of digital players and my beloved "shuffle" option, I rarely listen to any one artist's work all the way through. I see where albums, particularly rock, it seems (jazz does too, to a degree), would produce a work meant to be enjoyed "in order". It's just interesting to me...it's not how I listen to music.
Not saying that won't change, tho... :) This is all very educational. :coolio
Well, way back in the old days, listening to albums in their entirety was what we did...you know, back when record players were the norm and the dual cassette player was revolutionary. It wasn't always so perfect though. One always needed a matchbook laying around the car in order to shim the 8 track tape. ;)
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Have I missed something ?
Has there been a contest where DT fans submit the most ridiculous and overblown song titles and the band pick the best ones ?
This was my first impression when I saw the track listing for the new album.
Sure this must be some piss-take by the band - there's no way the song titles could be so laughable.
Or could they ??????
Even though I don't agree, I still found this hilarious :rollin
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This is a rather new concept for me, this listening to an album as a whole.
I generally like entire albums of music that I have, but especially with the advent of digital players and my beloved "shuffle" option, I rarely listen to any one artist's work all the way through. I see where albums, particularly rock, it seems (jazz does too, to a degree), would produce a work meant to be enjoyed "in order". It's just interesting to me...it's not how I listen to music.
Not saying that won't change, tho... :) This is all very educational. :coolio
Well, way back in the old days, listening to albums in their entirety was what we did...you know, back when record players were the norm and the dual cassette player was revolutionary. It wasn't always so perfect though. One always needed a matchbook laying around the car in order to shim the 8 track tape. ;)
Oh, I remember those days, I'm probably older than you! :P I just listened to records that were essentially collections of singles, not themed concepts. Listening to all or one didn't really make a difference.
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Have I missed something ?
Has there been a contest where DT fans submit the most ridiculous and overblown song titles and the band pick the best ones ?
This was my first impression when I saw the track listing for the new album.
Sure this must be some piss-take by the band - there's no way the song titles could be so laughable.
Or could they ??????
You have been voted off the island.
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Something I've been thinking about: We know there's going to be a 20+ minute epic on DT12. DT has only done 2 such epics in the past: SDOIT & 8VM. I'm hoping for something totally original of course, but I find that SDOIT flows better, is a heavier song. 8VM has some heavy parts, but for the most part I find it leaning toward a ballad. I'd like to see some more groove and driving guitar in the DT12 epic. What do you hope for in the upcoming opus? More :metal or more :chill
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Something I've been thinking about: We know there's going to be a 20+ minute epic on DT12. DT has only done 2 such epics in the past: SDOIT & 8VM. I'm hoping for something totally original of course, but I find that SDOIT flows better, is a heavier song. 8VM has some heavy parts, but for the most part I find it leaning toward a ballad. I'd like to see some more groove and driving guitar in the DT12 epic. What do you hope for in the upcoming opus? More :metal or more :chill
A Change Of Seasons
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Something I've been thinking about: We know there's going to be a 20+ minute epic on DT12. DT has only done 2 such epics in the past: SDOIT & 8VM. I'm hoping for something totally original of course, but I find that SDOIT flows better, is a heavier song. 8VM has some heavy parts, but for the most part I find it leaning toward a ballad. I'd like to see some more groove and driving guitar in the DT12 epic. What do you hope for in the upcoming opus? More :metal or more :chill
A Change Of Seasons
Yeah forgot that one. :loser:
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I consider In The Presence of Enemies to be a 20+ minute epic too as well...
I mean, it IS 25:38 long. And pretty epic.
I also consider The Count of Tuscany to be an epic, although it's not quite 20 minutes but still.
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I expect it to be heavier than the others. More neo-classical too, assuming they used the orchestra; leaning more toward the Romantic era than SDOIT though.
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I consider In The Presence of Enemies to be a 20+ minute epic too as well...
I mean, it IS 25:38 long. And pretty epic.
I also consider The Count of Tuscany to be an epic, although it's not quite 20 minutes but still.
This is true. ITPOE is 20+ mins when played together, as it is live. However, it is split in two on the album, so I consider it to be 2 separate songs.
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I consider In The Presence of Enemies to be a 20+ minute epic too as well...
I mean, it IS 25:38 long. And pretty epic.
I also consider The Count of Tuscany to be an epic, although it's not quite 20 minutes but still.
This is true. ITPOE is 20+ mins when played together, as it is live. However, it is split in two on the album, so I consider it to be 2 separate songs.
It's only split on the album for the sake of the album sequencing. It was written as one song, so it's definitely considered one of the 20+ minute epics.
The official list of the super epics is-
ACOS
SDOIT
Octavarium
ITPOE
Plus the new one, of course. I don't know what to expect from it, but I'm sure that given the circumstances, it will live up to any expectations.
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(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/MPW-12311_zps686c34e8.jpg)
(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/A70-1944_zps1aadb438.jpg)
(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/MPW-24468_zpsbb39c844.jpg)
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Have I missed something ?
Has there been a contest where DT fans submit the most ridiculous and overblown song titles and the band pick the best ones ?
This was my first impression when I saw the track listing for the new album.
Sure this must be some piss-take by the band - there's no way the song titles could be so laughable.
Or could they ??????
Way to judge before you hear the album :lol
Not only this, but I actually found the song titles to be pretty Bitchin' if I say so myself.
Same here :metal
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The official list of the super epics is-
ACOS
SDOIT
Octavarium
ITPOE
Three out of these four are in my top 3... So Illumination Theory has some pretty strong stuff to live up too. Trying not to hype IT up that much but it's a bit difficult seing how their other 20+ epics have turned out.
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The official list of the super epics is-
ACOS
SDOIT
Octavarium
ITPOE
Three out of these four are in my top 3... So Illumination Theory has some pretty strong stuff to live up too. Trying not to hype IT up that much but it's a bit difficult seing how their other 20+ epics have turned out.
While SDOIT is #1/2 for me, the rest aren't in my top 20 (or in somes cases even top 50).
But I believe this is going to be a great epic, very possibly one of their best. BCASL was touted as the album of epics, and the album suffered a bit for it, and after that you could tell DT made an effort to restore the balance with ADTOE, with relatively more conservative song lengths.
So for them to come back the album right after that and write the big 20+ minute epic again tells me that this must be really good to justify it, rather than just some obligatory long song. Plus we know there's an orchestra, which you'd think would be utilized on the epic to make it more epic, like Octavarium.
And then we have the section names, which just throw me off completely. I don't know what to expect, but I think it gon' be good.
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I have the feeling that the epic is going to be very modern sounding, like in the vein of In The Presence of Enemies Pt.1 or maybe even The Great Debate. :metal
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I have the feeling that the epic is going to be very modern sounding, like in the vein of In The Presence of Enemies Pt.1 or maybe even The Great Debate. :metal
:(
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Even though In the Presence of Enemies is one of my favorites, I don't want another epic sounding like it. I want something with it's own identity, not like oh it sounds like this or that.
Never really liked The Great Debate.
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I think every epic so far has had its own distinct identity, and I think that will certainly be the case with the new one too. I doubt this lineup would do a 20+ minute song that is as heavy as ITPOE.
I'm getting the feeling of something like the best parts of Octavarium, TCOT and ACOS rolled into one.
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I guess it will be BAI-ish style wise, or generally speaking: more mellow over all than TCOT, ITPOE or even SDOIT.
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I hope not, and I expect not (as I find BAI to be bland in terms of style).
By the movement names, I'm expecting something darker, ranging from dark and mellow to dark and heavy, all utilizing the orchestra to sound deliciously epic.
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I hope not, and I expect not (as I find BAI to be bland in terms of style).
By the movement names, I'm expecting something darker, ranging from dark and mellow to dark and heavy, all utilizing the orchestra to sound deliciously epic.
In the end, I only see the changes being light to dark, dark to light, light to dark, dark to light.
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We shall wait and see! :)
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especially with the advent of digital players and my beloved "shuffle" option, I rarely listen to any one artist's work all the way through.
I think you just made Steven Wilson cry :lol
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I picture an epic with a tone similar to Scarred (lol don't kill me Blob)
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I picture an epic with a tone similar to Scarred (lol don't kill me Blob)
I wouldn't do that, my friend!
I'd kill Dream Theater.
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I'm expecting something similar to Octavarium structure-wise, without all the wackiness in the center and more lyric heavy. I believe that all in all this album will definitely have a vaster amount of lyrics compared to the last few ones, instrumental pieces aside.
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especially with the advent of digital players and my beloved "shuffle" option, I rarely listen to any one artist's work all the way through.
I think you just made Steven Wilson cry :lol
:(
Sorry. Told you I'm new at this ...
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Lyrically I would love another epic that tells a cohesive story like A Change of Seasons or ITPOE. However, looking at the tracklist I expect something more inline with Six Degrees, more of a suite.
Musically, I just want DT. :D
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I'm expecting something similar to Octavarium structure-wise, without all the wackiness in the center and more lyric heavy. I believe that all in all this album will definitely have a vaster amount of lyrics compared to the last few ones, instrumental pieces aside.
I wish that this album will set forth a new benchmark for DT rather than being similar to previous releases! IMO having a very solid fanbase and a courageous record label (Opeth's Heritage proves that) allow them to explore innovative grounds.
I am writing this and listening in my ears for the 1st time BTBAM's cover for Us & Them ! OH MY GOD, THEY NAILED IT !!
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This is a rather new concept for me, this listening to an album as a whole.
I generally like entire albums of music that I have, but especially with the advent of digital players and my beloved "shuffle" option, I rarely listen to any one artist's work all the way through. I see where albums, particularly rock, it seems (jazz does too, to a degree), would produce a work meant to be enjoyed "in order". It's just interesting to me...it's not how I listen to music.
Not saying that won't change, tho... :) This is all very educational. :coolio
You seem to be an older person, but you weren't accustomed to just putting on a record or cassette and pushing "Play"? Or even a CD?
I'm baffled.
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This is a rather new concept for me, this listening to an album as a whole.
I generally like entire albums of music that I have, but especially with the advent of digital players and my beloved "shuffle" option, I rarely listen to any one artist's work all the way through. I see where albums, particularly rock, it seems (jazz does too, to a degree), would produce a work meant to be enjoyed "in order". It's just interesting to me...it's not how I listen to music.
Not saying that won't change, tho... :) This is all very educational. :coolio
You seem to be an older person, but you weren't accustomed to just putting on a record or cassette and pushing "Play"? Or even a CD?
I'm baffled.
Yeah, I'm "older". :P Sure, I listened to records all the way through all the time. But rarely as a formal, "sit down and focus/listen" (usually doing other things) and as I mentioned, most music I listened to were more collections of singles than flowing, continuous concepts that should be enjoyed together. Think of most pop and R&B, albums. Classical and jazz albums can be like that but I wasn't really groovin' to that in middle/high school.
Plus, as a kid, I rarely had cash for an entire album. Random 45s for me. :-\
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Think of most pop and R&B, albums.
No, thanks, I'd rather not.
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Think of most pop and R&B, albums.
No, thanks, I'd rather not.
:lol
Hey, don't be a snob. There's not much music I don't like. I like deep...but I like fun, too.
I just wasn't exposed to concept music as a kid. No FM on my little transistor (no touching dad's radio!). I didn't have a proper FM tuner til I was 15. Up til that time, it was strictly AM top 40 for me. I.m just glad play lists were much more diverse than they are now.
So. No Pink Floyd, no Zeppelin, no Rush, no Dream Theater. These are adult, acquired tastes for me. And delicious.
T
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By the movement names, I'm expecting something darker, ranging from dark and mellow to dark and heavy, all utilizing the orchestra to sound deliciously epic.
This is my impression too -- and it hurts me to say that, because whenever I think of a DT "dark, heavy epic", I think of ITPOE and TMOLS and ANTR, which are some of the weaker songs in the DT vocabulary. Nevertheless, I have a lot of faith in the new lineup, so I'm looking forward to them churning out a darker epic and getting it right.
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I'm expecting something similar to Octavarium structure-wise, without all the wackiness in the center and more lyric heavy.
I could live with that.
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I'm just hoping that, sonically, the epic doesn't resemble anything DT has done thus far. I came to the conclusion, long ago, that Dream Theater would never come up with another Change of Seasons, and any attempt to do so would not succeed. Not to say that they couldn't come up with something just as good, maybe even better in some ways, but it's got to be different.
The same applies to albums, in the case of I&W, Awake, and SFAM. Those three are masterpieces (SDOIT deserves a mention here too, I suppose), and their magic cannot be repeated. ADTOE is the perfect example of a great album, that didn't ultimately grow like I would have hoped, because of it's I&W Version 2.0 feel. Many of the connections are just in my head, and some may even be imaginary, but they are there. And while V2.0 is supposed to be an upgrade, that's impossible when it comes to an album like I&W.
Which brings me to the upcoming self titled album, said to encapsulate the sound, style, and technique of Dream Theater's musical personality. While that kind of bold statement of self-definition is very exciting for me, I just hope it isn't an attempt to recreate the old. There's a big difference between 'This is Dream Theater' and 'This is Dream Theater, and we are moving'.
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By the movement names, I'm expecting something darker, ranging from dark and mellow to dark and heavy, all utilizing the orchestra to sound deliciously epic.
Never thought that way, but it's absolutely a brilliant thought.
Seeing the whole thing in that way, all my expectations for this album are increasing enormously! ;D
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if we consider
ACOS: 23min., 7 parts (3+ min per part)
8V: 24m., 5 parts (roughly 5m. per part)
ITPOE: 25m., 6 parts (4+m per part)
Illumination Theory: 20m., 5 parts (4m. per part)
The average minutes per part is not an indicator of quality, but we can however assume that IT presents larger variety of musical content than most recent suites. ACOS is something unreachable, cosindering how many ideas are contained within. Not saying ACOS is the best between them, just noticing we may have a suite made up by concise and various ideas, just like already stated for the other songs on the S/T album.
In fact, for me, the most important difference between the last two album was this concept of extending too much musical ideas (BC&SL) or keeping a sort of balance giving the right space for every ones (ADTOE). In this sense, with MM, DT has improved a lot, imho.
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"There's a big difference between 'This is Dream Theater' and 'This is Dream Theater, and we are moving'.
I don't think they can have a new writing partner and not be moving forward. Sure ADTOE had a pretty strong I&W feel in some parts, but they didn't have MM writing with them yet. I'm sure this will be a great showcase for each band members talents.
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if we consider
ACOS: 23min., 7 parts (3+ min per part)
8V: 24m., 5 parts (roughly 5m. per part)
ITPOE: 25m., 6 parts (4+m per part)
Illumination Theory: 20m., 5 parts (4m. per part)
The average minutes per part is not an indicator of quality, but we can however assume that IT presents larger variety of musical content than most recent suites. ACOS is something unreachable, cosindering how many ideas are contained within. Not saying ACOS is the best between them, just noticing we may have a suite made up by concise and various ideas, just like already stated for the other songs on the S/T album.
In fact, for me, the most important difference between the last two album was this concept of extending too much musical ideas (BC&SL) or keeping a sort of balance giving the right space for every ones (ADTOE). In this sense, with MM, DT has improved a lot, imho.
Of course 4 minutes per part is assuming it's 20 minutes and not more. It could easily be anywhere from 20 - 29 minutes. 20+ minutes is so vague that it could be 30 minutes and the rest of the songs are shorter like they have said. We can't tell until they release the track times.
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of course mine's a speculation, but they've never reached 5m. avg per part, so I fairly doubt it could be more than 25m. long...but who knows, all is possible :smiley:
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I think the RR guys would've said the new epic is 25+ minutes long if that was the case, so I bet it will be approximately as long as ACOS or Octavarium, if not shorter.
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Somewhere around the 22/23 minute mark I would think.
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22:46
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I think the RR guys would've said the new epic is 25+ minutes long if that was the case, so I bet it will be approximately as long as ACOS or Octavarium, if not shorter.
I'm gonna guess on the low end of 20-25 minutes
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22:46
We're playing that game, are we?
22:33.
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hmm, divisible by 11. Clever.
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hmm, divisible by 11. Clever.
24:36. It should be divisible by 12. :neverusethis:
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hmm, divisible by 11. Clever.
24:36. It should be divisible by 12. :neverusethis:
:omg:
Awesome!
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23:20, that is 5*8*58.
/offtopic
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Think of most pop and R&B, albums.
No, thanks, I'd rather not.
:lol
Hey, don't be a snob. There's not much music I don't like. I like deep...but I like fun, too.
I just wasn't exposed to concept music as a kid. No FM on my little transistor (no touching dad's radio!). I didn't have a proper FM tuner til I was 15. Up til that time, it was strictly AM top 40 for me. I.m just glad play lists were much more diverse than they are now.
So. No Pink Floyd, no Zeppelin, no Rush, no Dream Theater. These are adult, acquired tastes for me. And delicious.
T
Not being a snob. Just saying that most pop/R&B sucks. Not all. Just most.
And not sure what you mean by "concept" music and then mentioning the acts you did. Most of the albums written by those groups didn't have anything to do with concepts - they were just albums full of songs.
How old are you? And when did you discover rock music and its derivatives? I'm 40, and some things you say about music and listening habits seem incredible coming from someone my age or older (or even somewhat younger). No disrespect intended, of course, just asking, because it's fascinating to me.
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I am 48.
All albums are full of songs. But from what I'm reading here, DT records, are often meant to be consumed as a whole, not necessarily created for singles releases/radio play. I've noticed that about Floyd, Porcupine Tree, Rush, etc,
I didn't grow up listening to music like that...or even that genre. This is a recent taste sensation for me. The rock i grew up with was what i heard on the top 40 radio, which included a lot of different types of music but not much direction to huy entire albums. As i mentioned, my music was on 45s, not LPs.
As an adult my preference was jazz, classical, Latin, vocalists (Luther Vandross, Chaka Khan, Sarah Vaughan, Bonnie Raitt, Michael Jackson, Sting, Prince), as i am a singer, and fusion - Chick Corea, Jaco Pastorious, Lenny White, Marcus Miller, etc. And Santana. My crowd didn't listen to the type of music chatted about here, that's why I'm enjoying myself so much.
One should never have a closed musical mind.
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My musical mind is wide open. I listen to metal and prog.
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My musical mind is wide open. I listen to metal and prog.
You have many years to grow, grasshopper. :coolio
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From JR's twitter :angry:
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Ah, so the song is 70 degrees! Comfortably warm but not hot. I'm excited.
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what does M eq 7# mean?
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Many people say that it's a virtue to be open minded about music and they often take pride in listening to multiple genres. I never understood why having a wide musical range is something to brag about. I don't think you choose the type of music you like, the music chooses you, whether it's just one, or half a dozen different genres. Evolving tastes could lead to a wider musical horizon, but also a more narrow, focused one.
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Many people say that it's a virtue to be open minded about music and they often take pride in listening to multiple genres. I never understood why having a wide musical range is something to brag about. I don't think you choose the type of music you like, the music chooses you, whether it's just one, or half a dozen different genres. Evolving tastes could lead to a wider musical horizon, but also a more narrow, focused one.
Being able to enjoy more music means being able to enjoy more music. How is that not a wonderful thing? It could also indicate a deeper appreciation for music beyond just the aesthetic surface. I can appreciate a well crafted pop song as long as it's thoughtful and doesn't stoop to being obnoxious in order to be catchy.
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From JR's twitter :angry:
I'm jalous
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From JR's twitter :angry:
Is that his car? SOMEONE DRIVE NEAR HIM TO HEAR IT.
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Many people say that it's a virtue to be open minded about music and they often take pride in listening to multiple genres. I never understood why having a wide musical range is something to brag about. I don't think you choose the type of music you like, the music chooses you, whether it's just one, or half a dozen different genres. Evolving tastes could lead to a wider musical horizon, but also a more narrow, focused one.
It's just that it's kindof like saying you LOVE FOOD....when the only thing you eat is pizza. If you ONLY eat pizza, you don't love food...you love pizza.
I don't know if bragging is the right word. I don't go around giving people a long list of all the different musical genres I listen to. I just calmly state the truth...that I listen to a little bit of everything...and leave it at that.
My personal opinion is that anyone who only listens to one type of music is the same as someone who only eats one kind of food. More power to them I guess. Because to be honest, I was once that way. So it's not like I don't get it. I guess I just feel like I grew up, and I don't see why anyone views that as something to be frowned upon or not to be strived for. We should ALWAYS be growing, maturing, expanding....I mean, that's kindof the whole point of life, right? No one wants to live life in still water... (FW reference intended. ;) )
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Many people say that it's a virtue to be open minded about music and they often take pride in listening to multiple genres. I never understood why having a wide musical range is something to brag about. I don't think you choose the type of music you like, the music chooses you, whether it's just one, or half a dozen different genres. Evolving tastes could lead to a wider musical horizon, but also a more narrow, focused one.
Being able to enjoy more music means being able to enjoy more music. How is that not a wonderful thing?
I didn't even imply that it's not a "wonderful thing". I just don't get the sense of superiority that sometimes comes with it. Although I don't think that listening to more genres necessarily equals more musical joy in life. Actually, talking about people I know, the casual music listeners tend to have a wider range and the ones who are really passionate about music (musicians, concert goers) only really listen to 1-2 genres, or to music which features certain instruments.
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I don't normally talk about all the music I like...and I'm certainly not bragging. It's just a fact of my life. *shrug* I was asked the reasons for my peculiar (for this lot) listening habits and I tried to explain. I hope it made some kind of sense.
I love music more than any other diversion in life - no exaggeration. It's like magic in the air ( think of the Monster in "Young Frankenstein" grabbing at the air when he heard the beautiful music :azn: ). I love there is so much beauty to explore, a love that is shared by every culture on earth. I want to hear it all!
I know I won't love all of it. But I've liked a whole lot more than not. Without exploring it all, "staying focused", there is so much that I love now that I would have missed, including prog. :)
That said, the focus I've seen demonstrated here is astonishing - in a good way. I've learned so much in such a short time and I could never return the favor about any music that I know about.
Thanks to you all! :hefdaddy
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what does M eq 7# mean?
I'm guessing Master EQ version 7
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I'm guessing Master EQ version 7
it could be the version of the mix with the keyboards predominant :biggrin:
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I'm guessing Master EQ version 7
it could be the version of the mix with the keyboards predominant :biggrin:
You mean.....
A pre Dominant 7 ? :neverusethis:
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mmm if so we'll find the answer on EarWizard :P
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I am fairly new to DT. I accidently heard a music video of OTBOA after a rush concert on cable. How did not learn about DT? Everytime I mention DT to friends, they never heard of them. I too like different kinds of music, but cannot get into country or thrash metal.
I don't normally talk about all the music I like...and I'm certainly not bragging. It's just a fact of my life. *shrug* I was asked the reasons for my peculiar (for this lot) listening habits and I tried to explain. I hope it made some kind of sense.
I love music more than any other diversion in life - no exaggeration. It's like magic in the air ( think of the Monster in "Young Frankenstein" grabbing at the air when he heard the beautiful music :azn: ). I love there is so much beauty to explore, a love that is shared by every culture on earth. I want to hear it all!
I know I won't love all of it. But I've liked a whole lot more than not. Without exploring it all, "staying focused", there is so much that I love now that I would have missed, including prog. :)
That said, the focus I've seen demonstrated here is astonishing - in a good way. I've learned so much in such a short time and I could never return the favor about any music that I know about.
Thanks to you all! :hefdaddy
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My musical mind is wide open. I listen to metal and prog.
lol
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Illumination Theory - 21:12
WWRD :neverusethis:
-Marc.
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You mean.....
A pre Dominant 7 ? :neverusethis:
:neverusethis:
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I am fairly new to DT. I accidently heard a music video of OTBOA after a rush concert on cable. How did not learn about DT? Everytime I mention DT to friends, they never heard of them. I too like different kinds of music, but cannot get into country or thrash metal.
No way! We definitely saw the same exact thing, because that was the first time I saw DT. I say saw, because I was somewhat into them by being referred by a friend, but that was between first album (ToT) and falling in love (IaW). So we didn't get into them through the exact same spot, but still, thought it was a cool coincidence when I read your post.
To the off-topic topic, my music tastes are focused, but I've only been into music that intensely for a couple of years, so I first went for depth in a few favorite bands, and NOW I'm going for breadth. As sueńo has described so well, I'm not expecting to like all the music out there (or in my case even a majority of it) but I still want to experience it and continue expanding my tastes. Maybe at the end of the day I always will come back home to prog and metal because that's what I definitely love, but I do want to see what else is out there in music.
To the actual topic: Does anyone think we can add this JR picture to the mounting evidence pile that Illumination Theory is the 20+ minute epic? I know a lot of us have been acting under the assumption that it is because it has the most movements, but some have pointed out that this doesn't mean anything for certain. I think this adds to the evidence because I think JR, knowing us fans as he does, knew that we would freak out the most over the 20 minute epic, so he posted that picture. I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking this, but it's just a thought I'd had.
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So I looked up the new album on Best Buy's website and on Amazon to see if they posted the song lengths, and I noticed that both sites had two different listings for the album - a Japanese import and one with a bonus DVD. The Japanese import one was over 40 dollars, and the bonus DVD one was 69 bucks! I've never heard of a studio album with a bonus DVD being over 25 dollars. Does anyone else find this very strange??
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I'm not surprised at all, Japanese CDs are always more expensive. You can be sure the American and European editions won't be nearly as pricey :)
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I'm not surprised at all, Japanese CDs are always more expensive. You can be sure the American and European editions won't be nearly as pricey :)
Hopefully! I will buy the album either way, but I would be pleased if my wallet didn't cry in pain in doing so :lol
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So I looked up the new album on Best Buy's website and on Amazon to see if they posted the song lengths, and I noticed that both sites had two different listings for the album - a Japanese import and one with a bonus DVD. The Japanese import one was over 40 dollars, and the bonus DVD one was 69 bucks! I've never heard of a studio album with a bonus DVD being over 25 dollars. Does anyone else find this very strange??
I find it strange because no statements have been issued as to what each package will contain. They're speculating on both content and price. The special edition of SC was under $25. Same with BC&SL. There's no way it will be $69. The import being $40 is reasonable.
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Don't look too much into the prices on websites like Amazon and Best Buy. Really until September you're going to be seeing a lot of weird stuff with the info as everything is put together. This happens with every new release. Just wait until DT decides to release the format info on their site and you'll be good to go. :)
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From JR's twitter :angry:
Don't forget his comment: "This will blow your mind!!" :2metal:
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Don't forget his comment: "This will blow your mind!!" :2metal:
Hopefully it does. The excitement is building...
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"Illumination Theory".....I love that title!
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Don't forget his comment: "This will blow your mind!!" :2metal:
Jordan, you cannot do this to us!! you know we are too sensitive in seeing such pics :'(
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YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, JORDAN!
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YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, JORDAN!
(https://blog.timesunion.com/movies/files/2011/04/theroom2.jpg)
:lol
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omg thank you
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That...that is beautiful...
Everyone else? Leave your stupid comments in your pocket! ;D
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I feel like i'm sitting on an atomic bomb, waiting for it to go off.
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YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, JORDAN!
(https://blog.timesunion.com/movies/files/2011/04/theroom2.jpg)
DT fans: When will we get track times for DT12? or a single?
DT: IN A MINUTE, BITCH!
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I feel like i'm sitting on an atomic bomb, waiting for it to go off.
we live without shame
we're digging up a goldmine
still standing on the sidelines
watching through the looking glass
:neverusethis:
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watching through the looking glass
:neverusethis:
sorry for my ignorance, are these lyrics from 'The Looking Glass'??
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sorry for my ignorance, are these lyrics from 'The Looking Glass'??
I thought I'd have a go at making some of my own lyrics for that track.
If those end up being the real lyrics i would like a billion dollars kthnx. :lol
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"The Looking Glass" was written by John Petrucci after watching an episode of Lost.
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I feel like i'm sitting on an atomic bomb, waiting for it to go off.
we live without shame
we're digging up a goldmine
still standing on the sidelines
watching through the looking glass
:neverusethis:
Look to the other side, reach the undefined
Curious to what she doesn't know
Step through the empty air, reveal what wasn't there
A fantasy-her looking glass world
Is it as it seems? Or just a dream within a dream
(dream within, dream within a dream)
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/tard.gif)
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YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, JORDAN!
(https://blog.timesunion.com/movies/files/2011/04/theroom2.jpg)
:lol
I'm sorry. Is this Rich Chycki having problems with a bowel movement or doing a Jim Carrey impression? WTF is going on here? Where does this come from?
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The Room. A masterpiece of cinema.
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The Room. A masterpiece of cinema.
one of the greatest films ever made
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I feel like i'm sitting on an atomic bomb, waiting for it to go off.
we live without shame
we're digging up a goldmine
still standing on the sidelines
watching through the looking glass
:neverusethis:
Look to the other side, reach the undefined
Curious to what she doesn't know
Step through the empty air, reveal what wasn't there
A fantasy-her looking glass world
Is it as it seems? Or just a dream within a dream
(dream within, dream within a dream)
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/tard.gif)
Mawwidge. That bwessed awwangement. That dweam wivvin a dweam.
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The Room. A masterpiece of cinema.
one of the greatest films ever made
Indeed. Impeccable acting, riveting dialogue, and one the most brilliant plots I have ever seen.
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I haven't actually really looked at the song titles and analyzed them yet, but they're so interesting.
Come on, a Dream Theater album that opens with a song about dreams? Why are we not discussing this more?
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE - A false awakening is a dream about being awake. Analyze THAT! :lol
i. Sleep Paralysis - A state when the body is transition between being awake and asleep, where you're awake but your body is asleep.
ii. Night Terrors - Occurs during the early hours of sleep, and is sort of like a bad dream, which sounds pretty metal to me. :metal And it's kind of like your body is awake, and your mind is asleep.
iii. Lucid Dream - A dream where you are aware that you are dreaming and can manipulate the dream. You're asleep but consciously awake enough to know you're asleep. :lol
I was half expecting the album to open with a track called Dream Theater, which would have been appropriate, but this is basically that in disguise, which is an even better idea. I think this song will represent the band on a literal name basis, effectively being as close to a self titled song as you can get, done in a clever way. A suite about dreams. I'm imagining lyrics like SDOIT, but about dream-states instead of mental illnesses.
DREAMCEPTION.
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False Awakening Suite should include a cover of Nocturnal Emission by Anathema :neverusethis:
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Night Terrors: a tie to Metropolis pt 1?
"I'm asleep, yet I'm so afraid"
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Night Terrors: a tie to Metropolis pt 1?
"I'm asleep, yet I'm so afraid"
If so then its gonna be sn awesome instrumental section.
But I got this feeling if it was called intro, then it becomes suite makes it seem its gonna have a lot of themes related to what DT is. Orchestra with the band coming in fully on Night Terrors, and an epic ending note fading into The Enemy Within.../speculation
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Night Terrors - A Nightmare to Remember
:justjen
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I've had sleep paralysis. It's terrifying. This song is going to be awesome.
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:lol
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So I looked up the new album on Best Buy's website and on Amazon to see if they posted the song lengths, and I noticed that both sites had two different listings for the album - a Japanese import and one with a bonus DVD. The Japanese import one was over 40 dollars, and the bonus DVD one was 69 bucks! I've never heard of a studio album with a bonus DVD being over 25 dollars. Does anyone else find this very strange??
seems like tomorrow we might have some more details about the packaging
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How do you get tomorrow out of this
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Today is Sunday. Tomorrow is Monday.
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:lol
And after all, tomorrow *is* another day... (to quote another movie ;) )
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Oh I'm sure it will be looked into. I question the assumption we'll hear an answer by tomorrow. Might take a day or 2 to investigate.
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Might take a week or two for the information to filter through :D
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soon
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Oh dear god time for the DTF hype machine to jump on a vague statement by the RR Twitter guy and turn it into "Tomorrow! Tomorrow!"
Which really is what makes the DTF hype machine so fun.
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i. Sleep Paralysis - A state when the body is transition between being awake and asleep, where you're awake but your body is asleep.
The body is technically in sleep paralysis all night. You don't really need to be mentally awake.
I've had sleep paralysis. It's terrifying. This song is going to be awesome.
I thought it was awesome, when halucinations start kicking in you can close your eyes and start a lucid deam instantly.
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A vivid scene, a lucid dream within. :neverusethis:
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I'm not surprised at all, Japanese CDs are always more expensive. You can be sure the American and European editions won't be nearly as pricey :)
6DOIT was Ł30 when it came out in the UK. :omg:
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Oh you guys....
:neverusethis:
I am very pleased with the analysis that the opening track is a title track in disguise (thanks, Blob).
I have also found the reason why it's called a Suite.
Falling Into Infinity had 11 songs.
This album has 9 songs where a suite of 3 is included.
The circle continues.
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Does it end where it began?
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Falling Into Infinity had 11 songs.
This album has 9 songs where a suite of 3 is included.
The circle continues.
I'll buy that! :lol
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I had thought of that yesterday but forgot to post it because I was away from the computer. :lol
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Maybe the line is supposed to say that the majesty logo is absorbing all the light?
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Also, I'm betting the Midi we trabscribed is part of the false awakening suite
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Also, I'm betting the Midi we trabscribed is part of the false awakening suite
Yeah it's very JR explorations sounding. I could totally see JR writing most of the false awakening suite in the same way that 6doit was written.
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Falling Into Infinity had 11 songs.
This album has 9 songs where a suite of 3 is included.
The circle continues.
I'll buy that! :lol
But if you count up all the individual sections / songs - it's 15. I can't make that tracklist equal 11.
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Falling Into Infinity had 11 songs.
This album has 9 songs where a suite of 3 is included.
The circle continues.
I'll buy that! :lol
But if you count up all the individual sections / songs - it's 15. I can't make that tracklist equal 11.
To be fair, they are officially referring to the opener as a 'suite', while they didn't do so with the other multi-part song on there.
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While that's true, technically Illumination Theory is a suite too. As is Octavarium and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
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The track titles are pretty lol I think, but idc as long as the music is good.
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The track titles are pretty lol I think, but idc as long as the music is good.
I lol at how awesome they are.
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While that's true, technically Illumination Theory is a suite too. As is Octavarium and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
The definition of a suite or a song is a bit open ended and open to interpretation, especially a 'suite' in non-classical music. A lot of bands use it to refer to a group of distinct, separate songs that go together. For instance, on Awake, DT refer to Erotomania, Voices, and The Silent Man as the 'A Mind Beside Itself' suite.
Six Degrees really blurs the lines as to whether it's a suite of movements making up one song, or a suite of songs with common themes and recurring melodies.
While songs like Octavarium and A Change of Seasons probably could be considered suites, I think a lot of people would say that they aren't.
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While that's true, technically Illumination Theory is a suite too. As is Octavarium and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
No they aren't.
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i. Sleep Paralysis - A state when the body is transition between being awake and asleep, where you're awake but your body is asleep.
The body is technically in sleep paralysis all night. You don't really need to be mentally awake.
True. I figure that for the purposes of a song it would be much more interesting/likely to focus on the sleep paralysis where people are mentally aware, unless it's an instrumental section of the suite, in which case it doesn't matter at all. :lol
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I just can't help myself
I'm feeling those titles connected to Scenes
Uncanny strange deja vu
But I don't mind
I hope to find the truth
I know how unrealistic that ist, especially with a self titled album.
It's most likely wishful thinking to continue the story, but still...
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
Greetings...
Nef
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While that's true, technically Illumination Theory is a suite too. As is Octavarium and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
The definition of a suite or a song is a bit open ended and open to interpretation, especially a 'suite' in non-classical music. A lot of bands use it to refer to a group of distinct, separate songs that go together. For instance, on Awake, DT refer to Erotomania, Voices, and The Silent Man as the 'A Mind Beside Itself' suite.
Six Degrees really blurs the lines as to whether it's a suite of movements making up one song, or a suite of songs with common themes and recurring melodies.
A Mind Beside Itself is definitely an odd one out. I always felt like they wrote the songs separately and then decided to tie them together. I expect the False Awakening Suite to be more unified than that. In fact, I expect the three parts to be just as unified as Six Degrees or Octavarium. Which is part of why I consider most of the multi part epics to be suites as well. Just because they don't indicate that it's a suite doesn't mean it isn't. I'd say Six Degrees would definitely count as one. Like you said, a suite of movements making up one song. Octavarium isn't as obvious but the 5 movements are pretty distinct.
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I'd say that it'll probably be more unified than A Mind Beside Itself. Especially since the three movements are on the same track this time, not separated, which will most likely add to that.
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While that's true, technically Illumination Theory is a suite too. As is Octavarium and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
The definition of a suite or a song is a bit open ended and open to interpretation, especially a 'suite' in non-classical music. A lot of bands use it to refer to a group of distinct, separate songs that go together. For instance, on Awake, DT refer to Erotomania, Voices, and The Silent Man as the 'A Mind Beside Itself' suite.
Six Degrees really blurs the lines as to whether it's a suite of movements making up one song, or a suite of songs with common themes and recurring melodies.
A Mind Beside Itself is definitely an odd one out. I always felt like they wrote the songs separately and then decided to tie them together. I expect the False Awakening Suite to be more unified than that. In fact, I expect the three parts to be just as unified as Six Degrees or Octavarium. Which is part of why I consider most of the multi part epics to be suites as well. Just because they don't indicate that it's a suite doesn't mean it isn't. I'd say Six Degrees would definitely count as one. Like you said, a suite of movements making up one song. Octavarium isn't as obvious but the 5 movements are pretty distinct.
Except they didn't. There are musical passages and theme's that reoccurs throughout all three songs. They're just very subtle most of the time, which is quite awesome if you ask me. :tup
If False Awakening Suite is anything like that, I'll be very happy.
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I'm not sure if anyone said that (too little time to skim over the last 5 pages!) but I'm pretty convinced that FAS won't be longer than 5-6 minutes. Maaaximum 8.
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AMBI was definitely written to be connected, although i don't feel the flow between the songs is that great (mostly TSM, which just cuts off Voices).
Considering that the False Awakening Suite is one track on the album, and was charted on the infamous whiteboard as one entity, I think it's going to be a very cohesive suite.
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I'm not sure if anyone said that (too little time to skim over the last 5 pages!) but I'm pretty convinced that FAS won't be longer than 5-6 minutes. Maaaximum 8.
I'm willing to bet on something between 8 and 10. The way I see this suite being structured is extremely close to A Mind Beside Itself: instrumental introduction, but with orchestra, which will definitely extend it a little bit. The second part will be lengthy, with lyrics and some instrumental breaks. The final part will be a brief conclusion, going through all or some of the motifs introduced on the other two parts.
Of course, this is just me trying to guess stuff. Let's just wait to see, though I can say I hope I'm right.
The longer the better
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Just some thoughts on the cover:
#Maybe the toned downed earth with the rising sun is just a symbol for waking up from a dream.
#The earth is almost not visible because the earth is not the story subject, it's the horizon and the rising sun that's the focus point which then transforms into the awakening and dream subject.
#Maybe it's not even earth or a planet we see....yea yea kind of far fetched :lol but still.....lens flare...M Night Shamalaladingfjong...i'll just stop there.
#New logo equals new era.
#Maybe the reflections in the logo is something we'll wee more of in the CD booklet. The reflection reminds me of the Awake video and the scenes on the bridge.
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#Maybe it's not even earth or a planet we see....yea yea kind of far fetched :lol but still.....lens flare...M Night Shamalaladingfjong...i'll just stop there.
It's the Earth, I can see Spain and France! :D
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Pretty pumped to hear what an unleased Mangini will sound like.
I wonder if they experimented and tried to cover some new gound or stayed close to their core sound.
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I'm very curious about Lucid Dream. Sleep Paralysis will be an instumental intro, propably kinda mysterious and epic, night terror will propably be like War Inside my Head or TTTSTA. So is Lucid Dream going to be a proggy part (so that FAS will include everything DT is about) or a ballady slowdown that will segue with The Enemy within?
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I'm very curious about Lucid Dream. Sleep Paralysis will be an instumental intro, propably kinda mysterious and epic, night terror will propably be like War Inside my Head or TTTSTA. So is Lucid Dream going to be a proggy part (so that FAS will include everything DT is about) or a ballady slowdown that will segue with The Enemy within?
I'm imagining Lucid Dream being an epic instrumental intro with the orchestra, somewhat like the SDOIT Overture, or Razor's Edge from Octavarium, with Night Terror being a chaotic heavy section like TTTSTA, with Lucid Dream being something soft and atmospheric, maybe acoustic, like TSM.
Then The Enemy Within will kick in as a badass metal track.
I can't wait to hear how off that guess is. :caffeine:
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Also, I have this impression that the snippet we caught on tape will be found on some part of FAS. I don't know, it felt like it. Anyone agree?
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I wonder if they experimented and tried to cover some new gound or stayed close to their core sound.
I think while their melodic and atmospheric side won't change, the biggest surprises could come from the instrumental parts. MM could have opened the band to new rythmical solutions, thus creating some crazier stuff than before...uff, just can't wait to see the result :sad:
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Hello everybody.
I`m not the facebook guy.
*snip*
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Hello everybody.
I`m not the facebook guy.
*snip*
Please don't link to that. It's a mistake and hasn't been cleared yet for release.
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Hello everybody.
I`m not the facebook guy.
*snip*
Please don't link to that. It's a mistake and hasn't been cleared yet for release.
Ok, but the information is very clear:
*snip*
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Hey we appreciate the heads-up, but even discussing the material is not allowed before they are released.
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Hello everybody.
I`m not the facebook guy.
*snip*
Please don't link to that. It's a mistake and hasn't been cleared yet for release.
Ok, but the information is very clear:
*snip*
Not sure why you are sharing information from a video I told you not to share. Cut it out.
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Hello everybody.
I`m not the facebook guy.
*snip*
Please don't link to that. It's a mistake and hasn't been cleared yet for release.
Ok, but the information is very clear:
*snip*
All right.
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While that's true, technically Illumination Theory is a suite too. As is Octavarium and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
The definition of a suite or a song is a bit open ended and open to interpretation, especially a 'suite' in non-classical music. A lot of bands use it to refer to a group of distinct, separate songs that go together. For instance, on Awake, DT refer to Erotomania, Voices, and The Silent Man as the 'A Mind Beside Itself' suite.
Six Degrees really blurs the lines as to whether it's a suite of movements making up one song, or a suite of songs with common themes and recurring melodies.
A Mind Beside Itself is definitely an odd one out. I always felt like they wrote the songs separately and then decided to tie them together. I expect the False Awakening Suite to be more unified than that. In fact, I expect the three parts to be just as unified as Six Degrees or Octavarium. Which is part of why I consider most of the multi part epics to be suites as well. Just because they don't indicate that it's a suite doesn't mean it isn't. I'd say Six Degrees would definitely count as one. Like you said, a suite of movements making up one song. Octavarium isn't as obvious but the 5 movements are pretty distinct.
Except they didn't. There are musical passages and theme's that reoccurs throughout all three songs. They're just very subtle most of the time, which is quite awesome if you ask me. :tup
If False Awakening Suite is anything like that, I'll be very happy.
They still could have written the 3 AMBI tunes separately, especially since many themes appear and reappear throughout Awake. To be honest, aside from a few reprises, each "movement" is very much its own legitimate piece of music.
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[url]https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suite?s=t/url]
So, according to this, 8VM would be considered a suite too. It's in an ascending key (or is it descending?), and all the movements are connected.
My guess for FAS is something very similar to 8VM more than 6DOIT, with the orchestra more predominant throughout.
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What is happening in here?
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So....anybody have an idea as to when episode 2 will air?
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Sometime after episode 1 and before episode 3.
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So, according to this, 8VM would be considered a suite too. It's in an ascending key (or is it descending?), and all the movements are connected.
What is an "ascending key"? That doesn't describe 8V. It's in a few different keys, and doesn't "ascend" in any way.
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Sometime after episode 1 and before episode 3.
(https://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/designs/11874229,width=178,height=178/I-see-what-you-did-there.png)
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So, according to this, 8VM would be considered a suite too. It's in an ascending key (or is it descending?), and all the movements are connected.
What is an "ascending key"? That doesn't describe 8V. It's in a few different keys, and doesn't "ascend" in any way.
I heard that the concept for the album was that it started in one key & ended in the same key after ascending or descending through the 8 points (keys?) of an octave. I thought the song did the same thing as the album. Someone here will shoot down my limited music theory knowledge I'm sure.
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Most of Octavarium is in f minor. Medicate is in A major, but I'm pretty sure the rest is in f.
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Most of Octavarium is in f minor. Medicate is in A major, but I'm pretty sure the rest is in f.
Yep. Parts of the pre-Full Circle and post-Full Circle instrumentals are in E major though, and I believe the vocal part of Razor's Edge is in D minor.
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Most of Octavarium is in f minor. Medicate is in A major, but I'm pretty sure the rest is in f.
They're referring to the album Octavarium, not the song Octavarium.
The Root of All Evil = F minor
The Answer Lies Within = G minor
These Walls = A minor
I Walk Beside You = B minor
Panic Attack = C minor
Never Enough = D minor
Sacrificed Sons = E minor
Octavarium = F minor
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Ah, yes. The album has an ascending pattern. I just assumed we were talking about the song since we were talking about a song on DT12.
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Most of Octavarium is in f minor. Medicate is in A major, but I'm pretty sure the rest is in f.
Yep. Parts of the pre-Full Circle and post-Full Circle instrumentals are in E major though, and I believe the vocal part of Razor's Edge is in D minor.
Just took a look, Razor's Edge is all in F.
Except they didn't. There are musical passages and theme's that reoccurs throughout all three songs. They're just very subtle most of the time, which is quite awesome if you ask me. :tup
While that's true, technically Illumination Theory is a suite too. As is Octavarium and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
The definition of a suite or a song is a bit open ended and open to interpretation, especially a 'suite' in non-classical music. A lot of bands use it to refer to a group of distinct, separate songs that go together. For instance, on Awake, DT refer to Erotomania, Voices, and The Silent Man as the 'A Mind Beside Itself' suite.
Six Degrees really blurs the lines as to whether it's a suite of movements making up one song, or a suite of songs with common themes and recurring melodies.
A Mind Beside Itself is definitely an odd one out. I always felt like they wrote the songs separately and then decided to tie them together. I expect the False Awakening Suite to be more unified than that. In fact, I expect the three parts to be just as unified as Six Degrees or Octavarium. Which is part of why I consider most of the multi part epics to be suites as well. Just because they don't indicate that it's a suite doesn't mean it isn't. I'd say Six Degrees would definitely count as one. Like you said, a suite of movements making up one song. Octavarium isn't as obvious but the 5 movements are pretty distinct.
Except they didn't. There are musical passages and theme's that reoccurs throughout all three songs. They're just very subtle most of the time, which is quite awesome if you ask me. :tup
If False Awakening Suite is anything like that, I'll be very happy.
They still could have written the 3 AMBI tunes separately, especially since many themes appear and reappear throughout Awake. To be honest, aside from a few reprises, each "movement" is very much its own legitimate piece of music.
Oh I know they probably wrote them together, but it really doesn't sound that way. I consider each "movement" as its own song. By the way, what parts are reprised in AMBI besides the Silent Man thing in Erotomania?
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The Silent Man was written before the rest of AMBI: (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16553.msg592440#msg592440)
The Silent Man (which JP had written at the end of 1993 and he, James and Kev even performed it on Korean TV while we were there for a promotional tour in Jan 1994)
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The Silent Man was written before the rest of AMBI: (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16553.msg592440#msg592440)
The Silent Man (which JP had written at the end of 1993 and he, James and Kev even performed it on Korean TV while we were there for a promotional tour in Jan 1994)
Well that doesn't mean Petrucci couldn't have used the broad Idea behind The silent Man when he wrote voices and even when they decided to name erotomania the opening instrumental. there is definitely a link for all of them (lyrics and with the name of the instrumental)
Just as Portnoy wrote the glass prison many years before he wrote Repentance or the shattered fortress but we all agree they are all part of the 12-steps suit.
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Oh I know they probably wrote them together, but it really doesn't sound that way. I consider each "movement" as its own song.
Not sure where you get that. It definitely sounds unified to me, and it is most certainly one song, not a collection of songs.
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Although I love AMBI I wouldn't call it one song. It does feel more unified than Six Degrees though.
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Don´t you guys think that the decision to make it a self titled album is kind of disrespectful towards Mike Portnoy?
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No. But I think it's boring.
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No, not really.
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Oh I know they probably wrote them together, but it really doesn't sound that way. I consider each "movement" as its own song.
Not sure where you get that. It definitely sounds unified to me, and it is most certainly one song, not a collection of songs.
Pretty sure he was talking about AMBI for that part, not Octavarium.
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Oh I know they probably wrote them together, but it really doesn't sound that way. I consider each "movement" as its own song.
Not sure where you get that. It definitely sounds unified to me, and it is most certainly one song, not a collection of songs.
Pretty sure he was talking about AMBI for that part, not Octavarium.
Yes I was. If it was one song, then they would've labeled it as such. They barely even play the entire thing live.
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Don´t you guys think that the decision to make it a self titled album is kind of disrespectful towards Mike Portnoy?
No.
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Don´t you guys think that the decision to make it a self titled album is kind of disrespectful towards Mike Portnoy?
No.
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The DT12 cover art is perfect for Mangini`s drum kit.
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(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7801_1373896230.jpeg)
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Don´t you guys think that the decision to make it a self titled album is kind of disrespectful towards Mike Portnoy?
Say what?
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Don´t you guys think that the decision to make it a self titled album is kind of disrespectful towards Mike Portnoy?
What possible reason could naming an album after the band be disrespectful toward a former band member?
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The DT12 cover art is perfect for Mangini`s drum kit.
Please explain.... :corn
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Don´t you guys think that the decision to make it a self titled album is kind of disrespectful towards Mike Portnoy?
Not at all. It's a "hey, this is us as we are now." rather than anything underhand.
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Don´t you guys think that the decision to make it a self titled album is kind of disrespectful towards Mike Portnoy?
:lol :lol
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Frankly I
a.) don't give a shit what MP thinks of it. He quit the band - they can do what they want.
b.) look forward to his Passive aggressive jabs at it in the social media. :corn
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Hey man, no reason to talk like that about MP. Like him or not he was in that band for 25 years and deserves to be discussed with the same subtlety as the current members.
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Hey, it's okay :D He expressed his own opinion, which also happens to be not shared by us almost on a plebiscite level! In all fairness, no, I don't think it's disrespectful at all. They owe to Mike Portnoy a part of their past just like Mike Portnoy owes a part of his to them, but right now they have no obligation towards him.
Dream Theater is who they are, and they don't have to say "sorry" or "please" to anyone to state their identity on a musical level. :)
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Hey, it's okay :D He expressed his own opinion, which also happens to be not shared by us almost on a plebiscite level! In all fairness, no, I don't think it's disrespectful at all. They owe to Mike Portnoy a part of their past just like Mike Portnoy owes a part of his to them, but right now they have no obligation towards him.
Dream Theater is who they are, and they don't have to say "sorry" or "please" to anyone to state their identity on a musical level. :)
I'll add that I think if MP was still hung up on or hurt by his not being in DT anymore than I'm sure he'd already have fired off some social media negativity.
At this point, it looks as though MP has moved on to different things and come to terms with being out of DT. He's still a member of the bands history and is due a certain respect as a musician and a person.
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The DT12 cover art is perfect for Mangini`s drum kit.
:eek
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Don´t you guys think that the decision to make it a self titled album is kind of disrespectful towards Mike Portnoy?
Well, Portnoy's dad did suggest the name so-
No it's not disrespectful an any way.
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Don´t you guys think that the decision to make it a self titled album is kind of disrespectful towards Mike Portnoy?
No. Why do you think that?
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Don't you guys think that the decision to make it self titled is disrespectful toward Charlie Dominici?
Serious answer: No. I mean, MP surely isn't too happy about it, but that doesn't mean they meant any ill will by doing it.
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Hopefully there will be a bass solo this time around! #JMXgonewild
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Don't you guys think that the decision to make it self titled is disrespectful toward Charlie Dominici?
Serious answer: No. I mean, MP surely isn't too happy about it, but that doesn't mean they meant any ill will by doing it.
I don't understand how anyone could perceive it as ill will to begin with.
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Maybe because some might think they are saying that the definitive version of Dream Theater doesn't include Mike Portnoy.
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It's a way to have a new beginning. This album for them sound like a team output, that 5 guys, so it's a rebirth so to speak for them and to me that's why it's self titled.
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Hopefully there will be a bass solo this time around! #JMXgonewild
DT12 contains a bass solo (no speculation here) :metal
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Oh I know they probably wrote them together, but it really doesn't sound that way. I consider each "movement" as its own song.
Not sure where you get that. It definitely sounds unified to me, and it is most certainly one song, not a collection of songs.
Pretty sure he was talking about AMBI for that part, not Octavarium.
Yes I was. If it was one song, then they would've labeled it as such. They barely even play the entire thing live.
Oh, yeah, I totally thought you were referring to Octavarium as a suite. AMBI is definitely a suite.
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(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5491/9296781302_013df0d77d_o.jpg)
Sooo there's this... tour info, or maybe something else?
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Hopefully there will be a bass solo this time around! #JMXgonewild
DT12 contains a bass solo (no speculation here) :metal
yep thank you for discretely acknowledging that :facepalm: :lol
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Maybe because some might think they are saying that the definitive version of Dream Theater doesn't include Mike Portnoy.
That's ridiculous.
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Maybe a single won't hurt anybody. Just saying.
And I think that there will be a bass solo on the new album! :biggrin:
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I'm just waiting that they released a song, last time with "On the Back of Angels" of A Dramatic turn of Events the lapse between the song and the album was more earlier, damn hype
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Hopefully there will be a bass solo this time around! #JMXgonewild
DT12 contains a bass solo (no speculation here) :metal
yep thank you for discretely acknowledging that :facepalm: :lol
I didn`t want to be discrete.
The days are eternal until 9-24 (the album will be leaked a week before that date, anyway).
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I didn`t want to be discrete.
The days are eternal until 9-24 (the album will be leaked a week before that date, anyway).
Edward Snowden, is that you? Didn't know you were into DT :rollin
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I'm seriously going nuts about this album. I desperately want a single to come out to at least satiate my anxiety about the new album. I really hope something comes out soon.
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I didn`t want to be discrete.
The days are eternal until 9-24 (the album will be leaked a week before that date, anyway).
Edward Snowden, is that you? Didn't know you were into DT :rollin
:omg:
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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I didn`t want to be discrete.
The days are eternal until 9-24 (the album will be leaked a week before that date, anyway).
lol i'm assuming you have no intention of not being banned from this forum...
If that's not the case you probably should refrain from hinting at leaks or spoilers or any information that hasn't officially been released. I personally don't mind, but someone like Bosk will probably go all sith ninja on your ass. jussayin.
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I didn`t want to be discrete.
The days are eternal until 9-24 (the album will be leaked a week before that date, anyway).
Edward Snowden, is that you? Didn't know you were into DT :rollin
No, I`m not him :angel:
People here are being killed by the hype. A very little bit of info isn`t a crime.
I'm seriously going nuts about this album. I desperately want a single to come out to at least satiate my anxiety about the new album. I really hope something comes out soon.
I don`t want any single or snippet. One thing is to know album details, and other completely different is to hear something. I prefer to hear it as a completely new thing.
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mmmmmm single or In studio ep.2 this week.....hopefully both :metal
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(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5491/9296781302_013df0d77d_o.jpg)
Sooo there's this... tour info, or maybe something else?
The news is there will be a single released soon. ::)
/sarcasm
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(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wgCWfMfOH4g/TuO6ru5pitI/AAAAAAAAADw/GqPbPZDK0_o/s640/soon.jpg)
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The days are eternal until 9-24 (the album will be leaked a week before that date, anyway).
Not sure how I feel about this new guy.
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The days are eternal until 9-24 (the album will be leaked a week before that date, anyway).
Not sure how I feel about this new guy.
Just look at his avatar! can't go wrong
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I just thought that by making it a self titled album they would be sending a message. Something like: this album is the real deal and this is DT at its best!
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I just thought that by making it a self titled album they would be sending a message. Something like: this album is the real deal and this is DT at its best!
That is the statement it's making, and it's not inherently disrespectful towards anyone.
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The days are eternal until 9-24 (the album will be leaked a week before that date, anyway).
Not sure how I feel about this new guy.
i mean we can keep pretending that it doesn't happen. but he's right. that's what happens these days
but FYI LBC. you can't talk about it or of it when it inevitably does leak
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(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wgCWfMfOH4g/TuO6ru5pitI/AAAAAAAAADw/GqPbPZDK0_o/s640/soon.jpg)
We keep seeing that word. I do not think it means what we think it means.
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It's "inconceivable" to some... ;)
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Slightly off topic. Bosk, any idea when DTFs look will change for DT12?
Let me guess.....
.....SOON?.....
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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It's "inconceivable" to some... ;)
You keep using that word, I'm not sure if means what you think it means... :biggrin:
Anyway, back on topic. Can't wait for news about the North American tour, since I plan to fork up the $$ for the meet-and-greet this time. Also, I wouldn't be too upset if there wasn't a single released prior to the album being released, although I think there will be. Last time, I listened to OTBOA and the snippets from BITS and BAI probably fifty times a piece, and when I finally listened to the album, it diminished my enjoyment of those parts.
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I'd be ok without a single, but I would like just one snippet. Just a little tease is ok.
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(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wgCWfMfOH4g/TuO6ru5pitI/AAAAAAAAADw/GqPbPZDK0_o/s640/soon.jpg)
We keep seeing that word. I do not think it means what we think it means.
Every time I see the word 'soon' on DTF, I think of Yes' "Soon" section in The Gates of Delirium.
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The "soon" news will be an updated (pushed out) release date. Too late to change the cover and still hit the September date. There will likely be a series of conference calls and meetings tomorrow at RR to discuss the issue and stick a stake in the ground on the issue.
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Every time I see the word 'soon' on DTF, I think of Yes' "Soon" section in The Gates of Delirium.
Damn, I thought the same thing. Probably has something to do with the fact that I've listened to that song several times the past week. Great song, might be my favorite Yes song.
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I think by the time they begin recording DT13, we will get the release date from the start, and it'll just say "soon". Then on a random Tuesday, it's at the local Best Buy.
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I think by the time they begin recording DT13, we will get the release date from the start, and it'll just say "soon". Then on a random Tuesday, it's at the local Best Buy.
"Soon" will be the title of DT13
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The "soon" news will be an updated (pushed out) release date. Too late to change the cover and still hit the September date. There will likely be a series of conference calls and meetings tomorrow at RR to discuss the issue and stick a stake in the ground on the issue.
This is almost definitely false, but wouldn't you guys feel horrible if you guys forced DT to push back the release date with your whining?
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(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wgCWfMfOH4g/TuO6ru5pitI/AAAAAAAAADw/GqPbPZDK0_o/s640/soon.jpg)
We keep seeing that word. I do not think it means what we think it means.
Every time I see the word 'soon' on DTF, I think of Yes' "Soon" section in The Gates of Delirium.
I think of this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VeZ9HhHU86o
:coolio
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The "soon" news will be an updated (pushed out) release date. Too late to change the cover and still hit the September date. There will likely be a series of conference calls and meetings tomorrow at RR to discuss the issue and stick a stake in the ground on the issue.
This is almost definitely false, but wouldn't you guys feel horrible if you guys forced DT to push back the release date with your whining?
Seriously. I'd be pissed if they pushed back the release date because of a barely noticeable mistake on the artwork.
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Why would they even do that? :lol
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because the cover is lacking in quality and they have to alter the printing process(?) if they decide to "fix" the cover? :lol :lol :lol
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The "soon" news will be an updated (pushed out) release date. Too late to change the cover and still hit the September date. There will likely be a series of conference calls and meetings tomorrow at RR to discuss the issue and stick a stake in the ground on the issue.
This is almost definitely false, but wouldn't you guys feel horrible if you guys forced DT to push back the release date with your whining?
Seriously. I'd be pissed if they pushed back the release date because of a barely noticeable mistake on the artwork.
For the record, I don't actually think this. The wheels are too far in motion to change the release date (release dates can change, but unlikely to based on forum critique of the cover).
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I think by the time they begin recording DT13, we will get the release date from the start, and it'll just say "soon". Then on a random Tuesday, it's at the local Best Buy.
"Soon" will be the title of DT13
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_SOON.jpg) (https://s84.photobucket.com/user/Zook85/media/DT_SOON.jpg.html)
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Well at least we know if DT ever says something along the lines of "Our music career is coming to an end soon," we know that's a long ass time away :tup
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I cant believe the cut in on the art would even be a topic of discussion. Really? The fact is if this turns out to be the best DT album ever, the complaining will be the worst ever. At least based on this thread. I guess my definition of a fan is a bit old school. Im just thankful for ANYTHING they do for me.
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I cant believe the cut in on the art would even be a topic of discussion. Really? The fact is if this turns out to be the best DT album ever, the complaining will be the worst ever. At least based on this thread. I guess my definition of a fan is a bit old school. Im just thankful for ANYTHING they do for me.
Yea. I've really noticed a sense of entitlement with this release. Not just with the artwork, but with things like all the outrage when we thought there was going to be an announcement and there wasn't. It's kinda embarrassing really and makes us, as a fanbase, look bad.
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DT works theirs butts off. Id be pretty diappointed if not hurt if i worked that hard for my fans and had to read this kind of stuff. I hope some people here will do a little bit of inner reflection about what a fan should be and also realize that the DT guys are trying to do what they think is best. I guess you really can't please all of the people all of the time.... Once in a while would be nice though.
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DT works theirs butts off. Id be pretty diappointed if not hurt if i worked that hard for my fans and had to read this kind of stuff. I hope some people here will do a little bit of inner reflection about what a fan should be and also realize that the DT guys are trying to do what they think is best. I guess you really can't please all of the people all of the time.... Once in a while would be nice though.
I can be very critic with DT, but the band is part of my blood.
DT fans are the most loyal on Earth.
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I think you're confusing "complaining" with "discussing". If the cover art stays how it is, some people (myself included) will be like... "hmm...bummer, it could have been so much better, but nevermind". I'm grateful as ever, I'm excited as hell with the new album and the DVD, and I've probably spent more money in DT than in any other band (I travelled from Mexico City to LA just to watch them perform, which wasn't exactly the cheapest idea ever :lol ), and I know that the band can do things extremely right, so I kind of short circuit when we get ugly album covers. Also, when I try turning new guys into Dream Theater, it's kind of lame that they are the band "of the awesome musicians and the hilarious covers". I think album covers are important, as is the music. Every aspect of their album packaging/music (obviously)/live show production/merchandising speaks in behalf of the band, so that's about it. And I want every aspect of theirs to speak highly of Dream Theater, like for example, album covers. I wouldn't mind them to spend a couple more dollars on a guy that uses quality stock pictures.
I can be very critic with DT, but the band is part of my blood.
And this, basically. I tend to disagree a whole lots with either people who bash ruthlessly the band for no apparent reason with no arguments at all, as well as the people that worship every towel they spit on. Criticism is just the natural thing to do, and we do it because we're passionate about the band. There was never mention of "not being grateful because the band work their asses off to give us everything, mp durm god pls indonesia".
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I cant believe the cut in on the art would even be a topic of discussion. Really? The fact is if this turns out to be the best DT album ever, the complaining will be the worst ever. At least based on this thread. I guess my definition of a fan is a bit old school. Im just thankful for ANYTHING they do for me.
Yea. I've really noticed a sense of entitlement with this release. Not just with the artwork, but with things like all the outrage when we thought there was going to be an announcement and there wasn't. It's kinda embarrassing really and makes us, as a fanbase, look bad.
I have to agree with this 100%
For myself, I'll be ecstatic when the album comes out on September 24th. I'll be intrigued if they put snippets out like they did last time. If they put a single out, awesome! If they don't, that's cool too. The cover art is what it is. I doubt it's going to change, because if it wasn't finalized it wouldn't have been in an official press release from the band. The cover could be a plain brown cover that looks like a paper sack from a grocery store, with no title and no band name. If the songs looked as cool as these do, I'd still buy the album. I'm a fan of the band in every incarnation, but I'm not entitled to anything. I'm really happy that the band is still putting out music. All of their music has it's merits
and it's detractors. For 28 years this band has produced the majority of my favorite music ever recorded, and for that I'm eternally grateful.
I hope and pray for many more years to come. :metal
This album is going to be amazing. I cannot wait. But I will, because I have no other choice.
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I couldn't have said it better. Funny you mentioned the cover. Reminds me of The Who Live At Leeds. About as paper bag as it gets i guess that didn't hurt the album too much.
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The cover art is what it is. I doubt it's going to change, because if it wasn't finalized it wouldn't have been in an official press release from the band. The cover could be a plain brown cover that looks like a paper sack from a grocery store, with no title and no band name.
Led Zeppelin almost had that. :laugh:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/Led_Zeppelin_-_In_Through_the_Out_Door_covered.jpg)
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I doubt it's going to change, because if it wasn't finalized it wouldn't have been in an official press release from the band.
Sure it could. They changed Octavarium.
Don't think they'll change this one, I doubt they're even half as aware that any fans have a problem with it as they were with Octavarium. But it's not outside the realms of possibility.
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Octavarium had different artwork? What was that like?
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Octavarium had different artwork? What was that like?
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Octavarium had different artwork? What was that like?
It was the same artwork, it just wasn't finalized when we first saw it, same with Systematic Chaos.
The first artwork we saw for Octavarium had a slight mistake where the black bar didn't fully extend across the image, and the balls didn't have the loops where the cables attached. I can't remember if there were some other very minor differences too.
The first artwork we saw for Systematic Chaos had a different font and colour for the text "Systematic Chaos". It was a rounder sans serif font, in a pastel green colour instead of the red.
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I doubt they'll change it because what people think needs to be changed is so minor in the larger scheme of things that it's really almost laughable. If they heard us bitching about the album cover on this one, they'd probably shrug it off and say something like: "Once you hear this record, you won't care what the cover looks like."
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Octavarium had different artwork? What was that like?
It was the same artwork, it just wasn't finalized when we first saw it, same with Systematic Chaos.
The first artwork we saw for Octavarium had a slight mistake where the black bar didn't fully extend across the image, and the balls didn't have the loops where the cables attached. I can't remember if there were some other very minor differences too.
The first artwork we saw for Systematic Chaos had a different font and colour for the text "Systematic Chaos". It was a rounder sans serif font, in a pastel green colour instead of the red.
Ah okay. Octavarium's art sounds like something more noticeable than the planet thing.
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(https://i41.tinypic.com/o5tkpe.jpg)
Here it is, if you're interested.
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I really like the concept of DT12 cover, but they got to fix that cut issue.
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Whoa, the cables indeed looked like solid lines there :lol
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Hopefully they'll fix the new cover as well...
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(https://i41.tinypic.com/o5tkpe.jpg)
Here it is, if you're interested.
Interesting for sure! The final cover really is a hell of a lot better. :lol Hopefully, they'll fix the new cover too.
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How the fuck does stuff like that even get past the check? That black bar is instantly noticeable by anyone who isn't blind.
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They will fix it... soon.
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How the fuck does stuff like that even get past the check? That black bar is instantly noticeable by anyone who isn't blind.
It's possible that the wrong file got used for the initial press release. Progress versions probably get sent out, and then whoever is publishing the announcement quickly grabs the file they have on hand without realizing. It's easy for it to happen, and as long as it doesn't affect the final cover, it's not a problem.
Given that there were several changes between that version and the final cover, it was obviously never meant to be shown as a finished version.
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Talking about snippets and stuff, I really liked those 2-minute teasers Portnoy used to do, with small bits of every song mashed together and jumbled around.
How the fuck does stuff like that even get past the check? That black bar is instantly noticeable by anyone who isn't blind.
It's possible that the wrong file got used for the initial press release. Progress versions probably get sent out, and then whoever is publishing the announcement quickly grabs the file they have on hand without realizing. It's easy for it to happen, and as long as it doesn't affect the final cover, it's not a problem.
Given that there were several changes between that version and the final cover, it was obviously never meant to be shown as a finished version.
This made me slightly more hopeful about the new cover. Perhaps this happened again?
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How the fuck does stuff like that even get past the check? That black bar is instantly noticeable by anyone who isn't blind.
It's possible that the wrong file got used for the initial press release. Progress versions probably get sent out, and then whoever is publishing the announcement quickly grabs the file they have on hand without realizing. It's easy for it to happen, and as long as it doesn't affect the final cover, it's not a problem.
Given that there were several changes between that version and the final cover, it was obviously never meant to be shown as a finished version.
I thought about the same thing.
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I wanna know what is taking so long to release the Studio Videos.
The first one was up on June 6th. If there's four it would make sense to release one a month til the album is out.
But it's been over a month now since the first video and still no episode 2.
RR must know what they're doing but if the videos are all ready to go - why not just release them?
What is there to gain by spacing them out so much ?
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I think the merch for this next tour (and maybe special edition album release) will be cool. Wouldn't mind a T or tank top with just
the logo on it.
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What is there to gain by spacing them out so much ?
Building anticipation, basic marketing. Increasing the frequency of little nuggets as the release gets closer to add to the hype. Nothing new, nothing special.
Greetings...
Nef
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What is there to gain by spacing them out so much ?
by distributing hype inducing events evenly over the space of time between album detail announcement and album release, there is likely to be more people going "shut up and take my money" on the first day of per-orders, in which pre-order figures are at the forefront of importance for record company success (especially in an age where people can just download on release/dare i say leak). people lose interest in things over time, and reminding them of those things keeps them excited.
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*SNIP*
Not yet
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Oh I don't think you should post that....
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OMG !!!
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Wow, it would really help if facebook and youtube were more cooperative with the band's actual schedule.
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Will people never stop posting this? :-\
Youtube and Facebook could really help doing a little bit of a clean up on these things.
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I don't understand how Youtube hasn't been sued into oblivion. Thousands of full albums and songs are available illegally every
single day. Boggles the mind.
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I don't understand how Youtube hasn't been sued into oblivion. Thousands of full albums and songs are available illegally every
single day. Boggles the mind.
I'm sure there's something written in Youtube's EULA that states that Youtube is not responsible for whatever is posted there.
But don't quote me on that, this is simply something that seems logical, seeing as anyone can pretty much post whatever they want on Youtube.
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Wow, it would really help if facebook and youtube paid acute attention to all of the needs and wants of the DT and their managements desires and disregarded all of the other happenings in the world concerning facebook and youtube at large.
ftfy
I don't understand how Youtube hasn't been sued into oblivion. Thousands of full albums and songs are available illegally every
single day. Boggles the mind.
I'm sure there's something written in Youtube's EULA that states that Youtube is not responsible for whatever is posted there.
But don't quote me on that, this is simply something that seems logical, seeing as anyone can pretty much post whatever they want on Youtube.
Yeah it's people abusing the service, not the service abusing the people.
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Wow, it would really help if facebook and youtube were more cooperative with the band's actual schedule.
haha
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Just wanted to post that he should probably remove the link to the video, but you guys are fucking fast :D
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Wow, it would really help if facebook and youtube paid acute attention to all of the needs and wants of the DT and their managements desires and disregarded all of the other happenings in the world concerning facebook and youtube at large.
ftfy
Oh man... that makes DT seem like Dethklok IRL :lol
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jeeeez im actively looking. seems like facebook and youtube are pretty leak-proof to me at least
(im not asking anyone to send it to me, just stating that it's not that easy to find, for me at least)
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jeeeez im actively looking. seems like facebook and youtube are pretty leak-proof to me at least
(im not asking anyone to send it to me, just stating that it's not that easy to find, for me at least)
Most this leaked stuff is posted as private or accessible by link only.
Don't know about Facebook though, but I've seen quite some stuff leaked through it, from images to videos.
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Well In The Studio Clip 2 will be released in just a few minutes.
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I will say that it's incredibly likely that parts 2 and 3 (and 4? 5?) of the documentary thing are about as informative about the musical content as part 1 (i.e. nothing that we don't already know/aren't are expecting), although it will be interesting to see people extract things like lyrics and formulate more midi files and things of that nature.
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Begin the countdown...
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https://youtu.be/yTPg6xpZkG0
There ya go!
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In a few minutes? Dust off your CSI filters, there be nuggets on the menu.
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https://youtu.be/yTPg6xpZkG0
There ya go!
Finally! :hefdaddy
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https://youtu.be/yTPg6xpZkG0
There ya go!
This is so last week.
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I love the way James says "Sing something?" like it's one of the most outrageous requests ever. :lol
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Can't wait to see all the speculation about a chart that says "Metrop Setup 2"
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We heard JLB sing a partial line from a song! :caffeine:
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I love the way James says "Sing something?" like it's one of the most outrageous requests ever. :lol
Yep, he certainly is a funny man. Cool video! Do we know, definitively, how many parts total there will be?
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dem lyrics
(https://i.imgur.com/5ugy36Z.jpg)
"Still standing on the sidelines
watching through the looking glass
you are caught up in your gravity
glorifying madness
still standing on the sidelines
watching through the looking glass
you live without shame
you're digging up a goldmine
still standing on the sidelines
watching through the looking glass..."
also lol at "singing your own praise" being melodically very similar to every breath you take :lol
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"Sing your own praise" confirmed as a line
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At around 1:10
elusive
fame is a prerequisite? to _____
an illusion of s______
fifteen minutes
the dark side of fame?
you had to have _________
walk _______?
earned ________
That's all I could make out.
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I love the way James says "Sing something?" like it's one of the most outrageous requests ever. :lol
Yep, he certainly is a funny man. Cool video! Do we know, definitively, how many parts total there will be?
The only thing we know for sure (as far as I know, lol) is that there are 3 parts.
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Call me a party pooper, but aside from a few lyrics, that clip didn't tell us anything we didn't know about the band already. And no new music was featured, so, yeah.
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Call me a party pooper, but aside from a few lyrics, that clip didn't tell us anything we didn't know about the band already. And no new music was featured, so, yeah.
Essentially what I felt.
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Jordan said 'concept'. Slip of the tongue?
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dem lyrics
(https://i.imgur.com/5ugy36Z.jpg)
Standing on the sidelines
Watching through the looking glass
You are caught up in your gravity
glorifying madness
singing your own praise
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Singing your own praise! D chord!
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https://youtu.be/yTPg6xpZkG0
There ya go!
Strange Deja-Vu :P
I noticed songs 5, 9 and 10 (Easter Egg - so probably intro for another song) are without lyrics.
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dem lyrics
Still standing on the sidelines
Watching through the looking glass
You are caught up in your own gravity
Glorifying madness
Singing your own praise
You ___ without change
You're digging up a gold mine
Still standing on the sidelines
Watching through the looking glass
You ___ without change
You're digging up a gold mine
Still standing on the sidelines
Watching through the looking glass
I can't quite make out the page that's behind it, sadly
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Jordan said 'concept'. Slip of the tongue?
Ha, I noticed that.
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Call me a party pooper, but aside from a few lyrics, that clip didn't tell us anything we didn't know about the band already. And no new music was featured, so, yeah.
yep. What else did ya expect?
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Call me a party pooper, but aside from a few lyrics, that clip didn't tell us anything we didn't know about the band already. And no new music was featured, so, yeah.
True, it didn't reveal any of the completed new music, but I don't mind that. In fact, I'd rather put that stuff off until closer to September 24th. Ideally, I'd love to listen to the album in its entirety with everything new all at once. Of course, once the single comes out, I won't be able to restrain myself :-\
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Well we know now that The Looking Glass is not the instrumental. Strike out for anyone who voted for that.
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I really love his voice. Can't wait...
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SING SOMETHING!!??!
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SING SOMETHING!!??!
It's like when you speak a foreign language, and your friends get to you all like "hey!! We heard you speak german, can you say anything in german to us?!"
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I love the way James says "Sing something?" like it's one of the most outrageous requests ever. :lol
Yeah :lol
So apparently The Looking Glass is a ballad...
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and "song 3" has some Latin piano
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So apparently The Looking Glass is a ballad...
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Weird B Crimson
Metrop Setup 2
Ho Le Fuk Choc Ck
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(https://s23.postimg.org/7mm8xluvu/image.jpg)
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So...The Looking Glass = Vinegar Seeds? Is that right??
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Well we know now that The Looking Glass is not the instrumental. Strike out for anyone who voted for that.
Along for the Ride also has a lyrics check.
closer to the W with Enigma Machine as the instrumental
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20 new replies have been posted....
Holy crap, DTF...
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20 new replies have been posted....
Holy crap, DTF...
Yeah, you'd expect there to be more :neverusethis:
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Cool! I didn't peg The Looking Glass as a ballad.
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(https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/1501347.jpg)
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SING SOMETHING!!??!
:D
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Now that we saw the board with the songs (maybe?) in order, can we match up the working titles to the final titles?
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https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Theater/dp/B00DP4M830/
Don't preorder this, as it is an import from Japan, and therefore MUCH more expensive. But for those too lazy to translate, here it is.
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Nice video :tup
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https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Theater/dp/B00DP4M830/
Don't preorder this, as it is an import from Japan, and therefore MUCH more expensive. But for those too lazy to translate, here it is.
Is there any notable info on this page?
Also, we've got half the lyrics to The Looking Glass. Holy crap, DTF. :lol
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https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Theater/dp/B00DP4M830/
Don't preorder this, as it is an import from Japan, and therefore MUCH more expensive. But for those too lazy to translate, here it is.
Yeah, but this version of the page misses the original Japanese description, which I translated in the original thread that I guess is still, unfortunately, doomed to oblivion. I'll try to see if I can find it.
EDIT:
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Thanks! I don't suppose you're able to get the gist of the words on that page?
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内容紹介
★コンスタントに作品をリリースする、常に進化するプログレッシヴ・ハードロック・アイコン、ドリーム・シアターによる、通算12作目となるスタジオ・アルバム! 今作は、バンド史上初となる自らのバンド名をタイトルに冠したセルフ・タイトル・アルバム。
★今作は、アルバム『ドリーム・シアター』にボーナスDVDを付けたスペシャル・エディション。DVDにはアルバム音源の5.1chミックスや、ボーナス・コンテンツを収録(予定)
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Content Information
The 12th album from the constantly evolving and constantly releasing progressive hard rock icons Dream Theater! The album is crowned with the historical first of being self titled.
The release has a special edition DVD option. It will have a 5.1 ch mix as well as a compilation of bonus content.
Nothing new or exciting. That's the only part of the page that details anything about the product as opposed to Amazon Japan's policies and such. ;P
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Also, I'm pretty sure JP checked the lyrics box next to "Smoothen". So I assume Smoothen=The Looking Glass
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Also, I'm pretty sure JP checked the lyrics box next to "Smoothen". So I assume Smoothen=The Looking Glass
Which I assume means The Looking Glass was originally going to come after Illumination Theory and then they changed it?
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I'm pretty sure the songs are listed in writing order in the chart.
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Haha, maybe those lyrics will be the final lyrics. But he said he tries certain words and sings them, then he checks with LaBrie whom may change a word or two, maybe the phrasing also.
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LaBrie having more input can only be a good thing.
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Amongst the tracklist, the only one that I feel could be "The Clover" (the instrumental) is Behind The Veil.
Tracks 1 and 9 are out (1 is YARRG, 9 seems like the epic). The looking glass has lyrics, so does the enemy within and along for the ride (from the videos).
The bigger picture & surrender to reason seem very literal song titles straight out of a chorus, and DT instrumentals tend to have more abstract names(IMO).
That leaves enigma machine and behind the veil.
Now, while I don't think they'd write a song about the actual Enigma Machine, clovers are associated with irish folklore, and that's somewhat akin to Behind The Veil.
//speculate off.
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so... anyone got their CSI goggles on? anything else we can decipher from this? :lol
Only other thing I could notice is that Mangini has been an absolute loose canon on the drums:
(https://i.imgur.com/tkFBDgl.jpg)
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What is there to gain by spacing them out so much ?
Building anticipation, basic marketing. Increasing the frequency of little nuggets as the release gets closer to add to the hype. Nothing new, nothing special.
Greetings...
Nef
Yes I get all that - I simply meant - that they've obviously got the vids all ready to go and the gap between them doesn't seem to be regular or logical.
If they had four parts and released Part 1 on June 6th - you'd THINK that part 2 would be July 6th and so on.
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so... anyone got their CSI goggles on? anything else we can decipher from this? :lol
Only other thing I could notice is that Mangini has been an absolute loose canon on the drums:
Maybe he had a loose cannon drum and it fell on his face.
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As we see, song 7 is an epic.
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so... anyone got their CSI goggles on? anything else we can decipher from this? :lol
Only other thing I could notice is that Mangini has been an absolute loose canon on the drums:
(https://i.imgur.com/tkFBDgl.jpg)
Haha put a blonde wig on him and he'll be Garth from Waynes World.
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Sing something? :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_uPX6KwAWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZePWU21bZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPg6xpZkG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNVfsvUFg2w
Here's four different official channels the video is on. Anyone care to find any differences like that one screen on the last one? :lol
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Anyone notice that Along for the Ride's lyrics were the only lyrics already checked off in the video, and that Along for the Ride is the only song that kept its working title? This makes me think that it's a vocal-centric song with music written around the lyrics, perhaps a demo written in the style of Wither and Beneath the Surface.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_uPX6KwAWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZePWU21bZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPg6xpZkG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNVfsvUFg2w
Here's four different official channels the video is on. Anyone care to find any differences like that one screen on the last one? :lol
The last one isn't available in Germany. What's the difference in there?
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Can't wait to see all the speculation about a chart that says "Metrop Setup 2"
'E Metrop setup 2'....Metropolis pt1 is in E minor :omg:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_uPX6KwAWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZePWU21bZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPg6xpZkG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNVfsvUFg2w
Here's four different official channels the video is on. Anyone care to find any differences like that one screen on the last one? :lol
Nope. All exactly the same.
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Can't wait to see all the speculation about a chart that says "Metrop Setup 2"
'E Metrop setup 2'....Metropolis pt1 is in E minor :omg:
Not getting too excited about this, we already have the tracklist.....unless there is an easter egg....wait :omg:
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Can't wait to see all the speculation about a chart that says "Metrop Setup 2"
'E Metrop setup 2'....Metropolis pt1 is in E minor :omg:
I don't even see that. What's the timestamp?
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Another nugget: There's a new song on the progress chart! There's an 11th song below easter egg, with a similarly impressive number of boxes marked with red X's. Most interestingly, it has the "lyrics" box checked, and the "Lead Vocals" box with an X. Can't make out the name, but maybe someone can CSI it.
I'd say the most likely explanation is that easter egg and this new piece are movements of the False Awakenings Suite or Illumination theory.
(https://i.imgur.com/MDkRetb.jpg)
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well, now we know The looking glass was Smoothen...I really felt it was Reap the Harvest...
so we have:
False awakening YARGGG
Enemy Inside Bad Larry (?)
The Looking Glass Smoothen
Enigma Machine The Clover (?)
Bigger Picture Vinegar seed (??)
Behind the Veil Dolphin safe (??)
Surrender to reason Reap the harvest (??)
Along for the ride "
IT Epic
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Here is the Progress Chart of the album, i took the picture when the video was in private, anyways the video is public now so here it is.
i Think that the "x" means that a song dont will have a specific instrument or voice, "The Clover" have an X on Lyrics, so The Clover it's the instrumental.
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I don't even see that. What's the timestamp?
0.22
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Some chords for The Looking Glass, atleast I think so:
G6 F(#?) E C6 or 7
G B E? C6 or 7
G D E C6
G C? E D C6 or 7
G D E D or C
I don't have an instrument at the moment so I can't check how it sounds.
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I just want to say that I love it whenever James talks about the lengths he to which he goes to figure out the emotional meaning of the song (he also talks about it in Chaos In Progress). Singing with the correct emotion for the song is something that he's always done so well, better than most singers IMO.
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Although i'm not sure why he would see what the song means to him personally and then ask Petrucci anyway.
Petrucci's interpretation might clash entirely with whatever James gets out of it ?
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Although i'm not sure why he would see what the song means to him personally and then ask Petrucci anyway.
Petrucci's interpretation might clash entirely with whatever James gets out of it ?
Makes sense to me. It's good he's getting to know the song on a personal level, but at the end of the day he's singing lyrics he didn't write, so Petrucci should let him know if he's off base.
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Maybe it's more like he asks Petrucci about sections that are ambiguous to him or where he can't quite capture the appropriate emotion? I don't know, but it's not like Petrucci's lyrics these days are all too open to interpretation, so I don't think there's much of a chance that James would get something entirely different out of a set of lyrics than John put into it.
It's like that part of Chaos In Progress where James is recording the last line of ITPOE and he stops to ask John to talk him through the emotions involved in that part. That line isn't all too unclear, I mean, "My soul is my own now, I do not fight for you you fucking dick Dark Master" isn't exactly open to interpretation. But he still consulted John so he could get a better handle on the appropriate emotion.
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I'm intrigued by the Guests column on the chart (second from the right). It contains at least two X's, but does that mean that the other songs will feature guest performances?
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I would assume that the "guests" are the orchestra. And if all but two of the songs featured orchestra... :thatshakingemoticonidontknowhowtodo:
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I would assume that the "guests" are the orchestra. And if all but two of the songs featured orchestra... :thatshakingemoticonidontknowhowtodo:
:caffeine:
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Yep, that's the one I mean.
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Another nugget: There's a new song on the progress chart! There's an 11th song below easter egg, with a similarly impressive number of boxes marked with red X's. Most interestingly, it has the "lyrics" box checked, and the "Lead Vocals" box with an X. Can't make out the name, but maybe someone can CSI it.
I'd say the most likely explanation is that easter egg and this new piece are movements of the False Awakenings Suite and Illumination theory.
it seems there are two more songs: 11th The .......ing S.... with lyrics, Piano and Synth, 12th SBT with blank boxes. dunno if they are integrated in other songs, probably IT 'cause FAS most likely hasn't got lyrics...my head is about to explode after these deductions ;D
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Anyone notice that Along for the Ride's lyrics were the only lyrics already checked off in the video, and that Along for the Ride is the only song that kept its working title? This makes me think that it's a vocal-centric song with music written around the lyrics, perhaps a demo written in the style of Wither and Beneath the Surface.
If that's true, it would be a first. DT has always written music first, then lyrics.
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Transcribing the visible lyrics on Petrucci's notepad at 1:12. We obviously don't know that these are final but I figured I'd transcribe them anyway:
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-The... ...attention
-A go...
-A shor...
-Elusive
-Fame is a prerequisite to success
-An illusion of success
*Fifteen minutes
-The dark side of fame
-You had to have a special gift
-Walked on the...
-Earned our...
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Anyone notice that Along for the Ride's lyrics were the only lyrics already checked off in the video, and that Along for the Ride is the only song that kept its working title? This makes me think that it's a vocal-centric song with music written around the lyrics, perhaps a demo written in the style of Wither and Beneath the Surface.
If that's true, it would be a first. DT has always written music first, then lyrics.
Actually, they wrote the music before the lyrics, as seen in the progress chart showed in Studio ep.1 then removed.
https://i.imgur.com/7vovfNq.jpg
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I predict plenty of speculation on those lyrics...
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/944246_674683915879943_1125779732_n.png)
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I don't understand how Youtube hasn't been sued into oblivion. Thousands of full albums and songs are available illegally every
single day. Boggles the mind.
I'm sure there's something written in Youtube's EULA that states that Youtube is not responsible for whatever is posted there.
But don't quote me on that, this is simply something that seems logical, seeing as anyone can pretty much post whatever they want on Youtube.
The feds don't care who is responsible, only who the "vehicle" is. Ask the many file sharing websites they have taken down.
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I love the way James says "Sing something?" like it's one of the most outrageous requests ever. :lol
Yea me too! :lol
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I hope they release full length JP and James rehearsal vids. "The Looking Glass (Early Acoustic Version)"!
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I don't understand how Youtube hasn't been sued into oblivion. Thousands of full albums and songs are available illegally every
single day. Boggles the mind.
I'm sure there's something written in Youtube's EULA that states that Youtube is not responsible for whatever is posted there.
But don't quote me on that, this is simply something that seems logical, seeing as anyone can pretty much post whatever they want on Youtube.
The feds don't care who is responsible, only who the "vehicle" is. Ask the many file sharing websites they have taken down.
True, but it might not be the same since YouTube wasn't designed for sharing music, whereas file sharing sites have that specific purpose
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Anyone notice that Along for the Ride's lyrics were the only lyrics already checked off in the video, and that Along for the Ride is the only song that kept its working title? This makes me think that it's a vocal-centric song with music written around the lyrics, perhaps a demo written in the style of Wither and Beneath the Surface.
If that's true, it would be a first. DT has always written music first, then lyrics.
I've done this before while writing lyrics - I've come up with a working title that I really ended up liking, so then I wrote the lyrics to accommodate that title. I'm sure that happens a lot. Maybe not with DT since they normally come up with titles like Schindler's Lisp or NADS. But it happens to me. I'm sure it's happened to them before.
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I don't understand how Youtube hasn't been sued into oblivion. Thousands of full albums and songs are available illegally every
single day. Boggles the mind.
I'm sure there's something written in Youtube's EULA that states that Youtube is not responsible for whatever is posted there.
But don't quote me on that, this is simply something that seems logical, seeing as anyone can pretty much post whatever they want on Youtube.
The feds don't care who is responsible, only who the "vehicle" is. Ask the many file sharing websites they have taken down.
True, but it might not be the same since YouTube wasn't designed for sharing music, whereas file sharing sites have that specific purpose
Youtube actually pay royalties (no matter how small) to artists/labels for the music on there.
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Hello guys!I just registered,but i've been here almost two years now.Anyways,don't know if this was previously mentioned,but ONLY 2 songs out of 9 have guitar solos???Didn't anyone else notice?I hope that's some kind of misunderstanding,because i always look forward to listening to his new solos.Yeah,sure they may not be suitable to the songs and the album may kick some serious ass,but come on guys.It's Petrucci.2 solos?? :justjen
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Hello guys!I just registered,but i've been here almost two years now.Anyways,don't know if this was previously mentioned,but ONLY 2 songs out of 9 have guitar solos???Didn't anyone else notice?I hope that's some kind of misunderstanding,because i always look forward to listening to his new solos.Yeah,sure they may not be suitable to the songs and the album may kick some serious ass,but come on guys.It's Petrucci.2 solos?? :justjen
I think the chart was done when he had only recorded 2 solos - there are blank spaces in the rest of the songs for solos rather than crosses.
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in the chart we can see only 2 lead guitar tracks recorded but in every song is expected the lead gtr part (no red X in that column in fact)
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Call me a party pooper, but aside from a few lyrics, that clip didn't tell us anything we didn't know about the band already. And no new music was featured, so, yeah.
You're a party pooper. ;)
I don't know, we didn't get a lot (or any) new information, but it's still something to help whet the appetite. I'm guessing that we'll get some music here "soon".
Also, I seriously doubt that there will only be two songs with guitar solos on DT12.
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I think that the solos weren't done by the time of that video. At least I hope so.
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Welcome, illusionist!
in the chart we can see only 2 lead guitar tracks recorded but in every song is expected the lead gtr part (no red X in that column in fact)
This. However, it looks like only three songs will include keyboard solos.
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(https://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g1374002457603627267.jpg)
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I want to see the seabord in action...
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Welcome, illusionist!
in the chart we can see only 2 lead guitar tracks recorded but in every song is expected the lead gtr part (no red X in that column in fact)
This. However, it looks like only three songs will include keyboard solos.
A guitar solo would be reasonably expected to be recorded on a separate mixing track than the rhythm guitars. However it's conceivable that during a keyboard "solo" there would be no other keyboard parts, and therefore what we normally consider keyboard solos are actually covered by the "synths" track.
I expect the specific keyboard solo track is for times where jordan is playing on top of jordan, as it were
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Sooooo... FAS will be an instrumental?
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Welcome, illusionist!
in the chart we can see only 2 lead guitar tracks recorded but in every song is expected the lead gtr part (no red X in that column in fact)
This. However, it looks like only three songs will include keyboard solos.
A guitar solo would be reasonably expected to be recorded on a separate mixing track than the rhythm guitars. However it's conceivable that during a keyboard "solo" there would be no other keyboard parts, and therefore what we normally consider keyboard solos are actually covered by the "synths" track.
I expect the specific keyboard solo track is for times where jordan is playing on top of jordan, as it were
Hmm... You may be right. And of course it's not impossible that some of the solos may be played on piano (which would be great)!
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Sooooo... FAS will be an instrumental?
Seems like it.
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Also, I seriously doubt that there will only be two songs with guitar solos on DT12.
Unless they're pulling a "St. Anger" on us! :-\
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Seems they didn't finish writing the Easter Egg according to the progress chart on the previous page.
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Thanks for the replies guys.Yoy may be right about the solos,no x marked either.I really want this album to be guitar oriented,just like SFAM.They have managed to raise my ambitions for this nonetheless.And i think this is a good sign,as well as the 'hype' about it.I expect a proggy,dreamy,dark,cinematic and full of emotions album.Fingers crossed..
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Unless they're pulling a "St. Anger" on us! :-\
Nah, since this album is self-titled, DT will cut their hair after this album, whilst taking a five year break, release a couple of good albums with a different sound, and then play no solos on DT15. ;)
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Unless they're pulling a "St. Anger" on us! :-\
Nah, since this album is self-titled, DT will cut their hair after this album, whilst taking a five year break, release a couple of good albums with a different sound, and then play no solos on DT15. ;)
(https://imgur.com/4ORVqll.jpg)
It begins... :eek
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Sooooo... FAS will be an instrumental?
Not the whole thing! Just "sleep paralysis". It looks like Enigma Machine will be the instrumental afterall. I was rooting for Along for the Ride, but it seems to me that lyrically it's going to be a thank you-song to the fans and/or their families.
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Unless they're pulling a "St. Anger" on us! :-\
Nah, since this album is self-titled, DT will cut their hair after this album, whilst taking a five year break, release a couple of good albums with a different sound, and then play no solos on DT15. ;)
(https://imgur.com/4ORVqll.jpg)
It begins... :eek
Oops! We really hurt his feelings with our comments on his hair in that promo-shot :rollin
EDIT: How do I merge posts??
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(https://imgur.com/4ORVqll.jpg)
Deeper polyrhythm development.
Instructional DVD.
Anything is more important than a haircut.
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Also, I seriously doubt that there will only be two songs with guitar solos on DT12.
Unless they're pulling a "St. Anger" on us! :-\
Bite your tongue sir! :lol
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Thanks for the replies guys.Yoy may be right about the solos,no x marked either.I really want this album to be guitar oriented,just like SFAM.They have managed to raise my ambitions for this nonetheless.And i think this is a good sign,as well as the 'hype' about it.I expect a proggy,dreamy,dark,cinematic and full of emotions album.Fingers crossed..
Noting to worry about. One of the songs is 20 minutes long. They will 100% have guitar solos.
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Am i the only one who thought Mike looked awesome with that super long hair? Like seriously it was pretty great. The promo just sucked. Id love to see MM headbanging behind that drumkit swinging all that hair around. It would look so badass
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Thanks for the replies guys.Yoy may be right about the solos,no x marked either.I really want this album to be guitar oriented,just like SFAM.They have managed to raise my ambitions for this nonetheless.And i think this is a good sign,as well as the 'hype' about it.I expect a proggy,dreamy,dark,cinematic and full of emotions album.Fingers crossed..
Noting to worry about. One of the songs is 20 minutes long. They will 100% have guitar solos.
SOURCE?
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Roadrunner said that a few days ago. Hold on, I'll see if I can find it.
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Am i the only one who thought Mike looked awesome with that super long hair?
No, but the music is the only thing that matters.
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Roadrunner said that a few days ago. Hold on, I'll see if I can find it.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705
Roadrunner podcast
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Woot. Thanks, I was getting nowhere. :lol
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Thanks for the replies guys.Yoy may be right about the solos,no x marked either.I really want this album to be guitar oriented,just like SFAM.They have managed to raise my ambitions for this nonetheless.And i think this is a good sign,as well as the 'hype' about it.I expect a proggy,dreamy,dark,cinematic and full of emotions album.Fingers crossed..
Noting to worry about. One of the songs is 20 minutes long. They will 100% have guitar solos.
SOURCE?
You are a DTF Detective and you are asking me?
(JUST JOKING)
As JoeG posted:
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705
They talk about it specifically around 2:40
They also say that they are rocking and that these are the best songs that they have ever written and fans are going to lose their minds.
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I think just after they said that fans are going to lose their minds - they secretly added " waiting for the album " .
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They also say that they are rocking and that these are the best songs that they have ever written and fans are going to lose their minds.
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TEASE!
This goes back to the "nah, the songs suck" comments before. Of course they're going to say this.
Release a song and prove it RR!
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Anyone notice that Along for the Ride's lyrics were the only lyrics already checked off in the video, and that Along for the Ride is the only song that kept its working title? This makes me think that it's a vocal-centric song with music written around the lyrics, perhaps a demo written in the style of Wither and Beneath the Surface.
If that's true, it would be a first. DT has always written music first, then lyrics.
I've done this before while writing lyrics - I've come up with a working title that I really ended up liking, so then I wrote the lyrics to accommodate that title. I'm sure that happens a lot. Maybe not with DT since they normally come up with titles like Schindler's Lisp or NADS. But it happens to me. I'm sure it's happened to them before.
And this is why DT's lyrics will unfortunately continue to be sub par. Apart from sharing lyric writing duties which I personally don't condone, it seems like they are a complete afterthought.
I don't mind too much because I've never come to DT for their lyrics but I would love to see them let the lyrics and structure dictate a song as supposed to in continuously being the other way around.
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Apart from sharing lyric writing duties which I personally don't condone
I do not share this sentiment.
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I honestly don't think I have ever heard such an opinion before. You must love Porcupine Tree and Pain Of Salvation lyrics :biggrin:
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Aw, he looks more and more awesome as his hair get's longer :-\ As long as they don't pull a Kilroy Was Here (when DDY cut his hair) we'll survive.
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BEST EMOTE EVER
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Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I generally enjoy DT's lyrics. Some of them I find absolutely beautiful. And then there are some that I really don't know what they were thinking, but every band has songs like that. I don't think that sharing lyric writing duties is a bad thing. Especially in DT's case, where there are so many amazingly talented individuals working together, I think it's a really good thing and an opportunity for some awesome stuff! :D
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I like their lyrics too.
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Yeah, I generally love DT's lyrics. There's only a few that I don't like, i.e. You Not Me and Outcry. I even like the lyrics of TCOT; they're a bit cheesy, but I love the story.
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Yeah, I generally love DT's lyric. There's only a few that I don't like, i.e. You Not Me and Outcry. I even like the lyrics of TCOT; they're a bit cheesy, but I love the story.
Outcry lyrics are way better than TCOT.
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I might be forgetting something, but I don't think a DT lyric has really stuck out to me since Disappear. Since then they've been pretty bland, honestly. Some of them are pretty good, but not as great as they used to be.
Edit: I actually really loved the lyrics to Beneath The Surface, come to think of it.
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It's very rare that DT (or any band, really) will write lyrics that make me say, "wow, those are really great lyrics!". Mostly their lyrics are just good. I like the way they sound, and that's really all I care about.
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Speaking of lyrics, it would be BEYOND AWESOME if DT can work with :hefdaddy Kevin Moore again (as a lyricist and producer).
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I think DT generally writes pretty bad lyrics. Most of the really good lyrics, in my opinion, are the work of Kevin Moore. But I don't listen to DT for the lyrics.
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Speaking of lyrics, it would be BEYOND AWESOME if DT can work with :hefdaddy Kevin Moore again (as a lyricist and producer).
I am pretty much sure Kevin would feel very much like a fish out of water. Eighteen years are long indeed, and especially if lived on divergent paths.
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Kevin Moore.
Best and more ELEGANT musician that DT ever had.
He was the dream of the theater.
So much musical class.
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I like Kevin's lyrics. I also tend to like everyone else in DT's lyrics too.
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It's very rare that DT (or any band, really) will write lyrics that make me say, "wow, those are really great lyrics!". Mostly their lyrics are just good. I like the way they sound, and that's really all I care about.
I think that great lyrics generally have pretty good music.
It's not necessarily a given that music has good lyrics.
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Well, I would honestly bestow the word "great" on any song from Images, any day of the week. :D
Same for Awake, except for Lie and The Mirror. From there on it's been more of a mixed bag, with many average lyrics, a lot of great peaks and a few lows. But overall I would lie if I said that I'm a DT fan despite their lyrics.
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There sure is a distinct deterioration since 6DOIT/ToT. Maintaining these standards would be good enough, but I can't but feel nostalgic when I listen to I&W, Awake or FII. These lyrics were damn thoughtfully crafted.
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I might be forgetting something, but I don't think a DT lyric has really stuck out to me since Disappear. Since then they've been pretty bland, honestly. Some of them are pretty good, but not as great as they used to be.
Edit: I actually really loved the lyrics to Beneath The Surface, come to think of it.
Very poignant.
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I love DS, JR and MP, but Myung, Petrucci, Mangini, MOORE and LaBrie are my DT Dream Team.
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Well, I would honestly bestow the word "great" on any song from Images, any day of the week. :D
Same for Awake, except for Lie and The Mirror. From there on it's been more of a mixed bag, with many average lyrics, a lot of great peaks and a few lows. But overall I would lie if I said that I'm a DT fan despite their lyrics.
Any song on Images? I mean, the lyrics to Under A Glass Moon sound nice, but they're basically just gibberish. The same could be said for Metropolis, really. The only reason we know what it's about is because the band told us.
To clarify, I don't think that lyrics actually have to mean anything to be good. But it does bother me when these sort of "nonsense" lyrics are regarded as great. But, that's just my opinion. :)
Edit: To clarify further, I really love the lyrics to Metropolis. "The city's cold blood teaches us to survive" "The third arrives" and such are all really good, I love the way they sound, but I have no idea what they mean, and I wouldn't necessarily call them "better" than the more straight-forward lyrics they've been doing recently.
But, I'm not really a lyrics guy, so you probably shouldn't put to much stock in what I say. :lol
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Well, I would honestly bestow the word "great" on any song from Images, any day of the week. :D
Same for Awake, except for Lie and The Mirror. From there on it's been more of a mixed bag, with many average lyrics, a lot of great peaks and a few lows. But overall I would lie if I said that I'm a DT fan despite their lyrics.
Any song on Images? I mean, the lyrics to Under A Glass Moon sound nice, but they're basically just gibberish. The same could be said for Metropolis, really. The only reason we know what it's about is because the band told us.
To clarify, I don't think that lyrics actually have to mean anything to be good. But it does bother me when these sort of "nonsense" lyrics are regarded as great. But, that's just my opinion. :)
I think Images and Words lyrics were like poetry.
Some of my favorite lyrics by the band
You mentioned Under a Glass Moon....these lyrics are much more interesting than most of their recent efforts (before A Dramatic Turn of Events) in my opinion
Liquid shadows silence their screams
I smile at the moon, chasing water from the sky
I argue with the clouds, stealing beauty from my eyes
Outside the soundness of your mind Bathing your soul in silver tears
Beneath the blackened summer sky Praying for time to disappear
Beneath a summer sky, under glass moonlight Night awaits the lamb's arrival
Liquid shadows crawl, silver teardrops fall The bride subsides to her survival
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Well, I would honestly bestow the word "great" on any song from Images, any day of the week. :D
Same for Awake, except for Lie and The Mirror. From there on it's been more of a mixed bag, with many average lyrics, a lot of great peaks and a few lows. But overall I would lie if I said that I'm a DT fan despite their lyrics.
This.
And i think there was a big improvement in the lyrics in ADTOE.
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I guess this is another example of how odd I am when it comes to lyrics. I love the lyrics to Lie.
Although I have no idea what they're about, they have a brilliant flow to them. "Daybreak, at the bottom of a lake, it's a hundred degrees I can't breathe". Great stuff, those.
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Well, I would honestly bestow the word "great" on any song from Images, any day of the week. :D
Same for Awake, except for Lie and The Mirror. From there on it's been more of a mixed bag, with many average lyrics, a lot of great peaks and a few lows. But overall I would lie if I said that I'm a DT fan despite their lyrics.
This.
And i think there was a big improvement in the lyrics in ADTOE.
I like some lyrics from SC and BCSL, but I totally agree with you. ADTOE really improved both lyrics and instrumentals.
I think there's more to come...the new album will be even better with Mangini working in the whole process.
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I guess this is another example of how odd I am when it comes to lyrics. I love the lyrics to Lie.
Although I have no idea what they're about, they have a brilliant flow to them. "Daybreak, at the bottom of a lake, it's a hundred degrees I can't breathe". Great stuff, those.
I like the lyrics to Lie too.
I love Scenes From A Memory but their lyric quality really went downhill starting with that album. I understood why (because it was a concept album and a story) but there was a noticable drop in lyric quality after that album. I still like most of their lyrics though and ADToE was a step back in the right direction lyric wise.
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I'm always curious about how people can mock their recent lyrics, but those of Scenes From A Memory. I mean, you have a really nice lyric here and there, but mostly just sort of straight-forward "this is what's happening" style lyrics.
Which I don't mind, by the way. I just find it odd that people like those lyrics, but the new ones. Ah well, I'm probably insane. :P
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Am i the only one who thought Mike looked awesome with that super long hair? Like seriously it was pretty great. The promo just sucked. Id love to see MM headbanging behind that drumkit swinging all that hair around. It would look so badass
YES
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For the record, I would love to have MM's hair. It is far more :metal than my own.
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For the record, I would love to have MM's hair. It is far more :metal than my own.
Exactly this.
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If he's getting it cut, one of us needs to be there to get and make a wig out of it.
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I honestly love the ADToE booklet group picture with MM having his hair much shorter
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For the record, I would love to have MM's hair. It is far more :metal than my own.
I would like to have any of their hair, really. I'm only 22 and my hair is falling apart in the worst imaginable way. :lol
But anyway, it's interesting that we got to talk about lyrics. I believe this album will have a few surprises for us with respect to that, especially in IT. I can definitely see them pushing new lyrical grounds there.
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For the record, I would love to have MM's hair. It is far more :metal than my own.
I would like to have any of their hair, really. I'm only 22 and my hair is falling apart in the worst imaginable way. :lol
But anyway, it's interesting that we got to talk about lyrics. I believe this album will have a few surprises for us with respect to that, especially in IT. I can definitely see them pushing new lyrical grounds there.
Bald can be metal, too. Devin Townsend, Rob Halford, Michael Kiske. There are probably some others...
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Well, I would honestly bestow the word "great" on any song from Images, any day of the week. :D
Same for Awake, except for Lie and The Mirror. From there on it's been more of a mixed bag, with many average lyrics, a lot of great peaks and a few lows. But overall I would lie if I said that I'm a DT fan despite their lyrics.
This.
And i think there was a big improvement in the lyrics in ADTOE.
I like some lyrics from SC and BCSL, but I totally agree with you. ADTOE really improved both lyrics and instrumentals.
I think there's more to come...the new album will be even better with Mangini working in the whole process.
I love ItPoE and TMOLS both lyrically and instrumental. BCSL not that much
/controversy
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Well, I would honestly bestow the word "great" on any song from Images, any day of the week. :D
Same for Awake, except for Lie and The Mirror. From there on it's been more of a mixed bag, with many average lyrics, a lot of great peaks and a few lows. But overall I would lie if I said that I'm a DT fan despite their lyrics.
This.
And i think there was a big improvement in the lyrics in ADTOE.
I like some lyrics from SC and BCSL, but I totally agree with you. ADTOE really improved both lyrics and instrumentals.
I think there's more to come...the new album will be even better with Mangini working in the whole process.
I love ItPoE and TMOLS both lyrically and instrumental. BCSL not that much
/controversy
ITPOE is really great. TMOLS is a bit cliche to me, but I like it too. From BCSL, I like the smooth section from ANTR and the lyrics from AROP too. But BCSL is one of the worst DT albuns lyrically speaking, in my opinion.
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For the record, I would love to have MM's hair. It is far more :metal than my own.
I would like to have any of their hair, really. I'm only 22 and my hair is falling apart in the worst imaginable way. :lol
So.......JR's then? :lol
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His goatee is epic.
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Call me a party pooper, but aside from a few lyrics, that clip didn't tell us anything we didn't know about the band already. And no new music was featured, so, yeah.
Pretty much my thoughts as well, I'll be interested in seeing more full-length studio footage when/if available.
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I mean, the lyrics to Under A Glass Moon sound nice, but they're basically just gibberish. The same could be said for Metropolis, really. The only reason we know what it's about is because the band told us.
To clarify, I don't think that lyrics actually have to mean anything to be good. But it does bother me when these sort of "nonsense" lyrics are regarded as great. But, that's just my opinion. :)
I just wanted to chime in as someone who tends to adore 'nonsense' lyrics. I treasure anything that inspires my imagination and puts me in a creative mood, and lyrics like those of Metropolis and Under a Glass Moon do exactly that for me. They have a dream-like quality that fills me with creative energy and takes my mind places it wouldn't go on its own. And that, to me, is an absolutely beautiful thing.
That's not to say that these types of lyrics are inherently superior to other styles, of course. There's a lot to be said for more straight-forward lyrics, and lyrics with deeper meanings are wonderful. But 'nonsense' lyrics can be great, too.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. Just wanted to provide a counterpoint. :)
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I mean, the lyrics to Under A Glass Moon sound nice, but they're basically just gibberish. The same could be said for Metropolis, really. The only reason we know what it's about is because the band told us.
To clarify, I don't think that lyrics actually have to mean anything to be good. But it does bother me when these sort of "nonsense" lyrics are regarded as great. But, that's just my opinion. :)
I just wanted to chime in as someone who tends to adore 'nonsense' lyrics. I treasure anything that inspires my imagination and puts me in a creative mood, and lyrics like those of Metropolis and Under a Glass Moon do exactly that for me. They have a dream-like quality that fills me with creative energy and takes my mind places it wouldn't go on its own. And that, to me, is an absolutely beautiful thing.
That's not to say that these types of lyrics are inherently superior to other styles, of course. There's a lot to be said for more straight-forward lyrics, and lyrics with deeper meanings are wonderful. But 'nonsense' lyrics can be great, too.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. Just wanted to provide a counterpoint. :)
Oh yeah, totally. I love some good nonsense lyrics. Ever heard Green Carnation's Light Of Day, Day Of Darkness? Love those lyrics. Have no idea what they mean, but I still love 'em.
It's just the supposed "superiority" of those kind of lyrics that gets to me. I mean, your taste is your taste, nothing you can do about that. But some people go about it as if those sorts of lyrics are intrinsically better. Or maybe I'm just reading to much into things. I am a DT fan, after all. :lol
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Anyone notice that Along for the Ride's lyrics were the only lyrics already checked off in the video, and that Along for the Ride is the only song that kept its working title? This makes me think that it's a vocal-centric song with music written around the lyrics, perhaps a demo written in the style of Wither and Beneath the Surface.
If that's true, it would be a first. DT has always written music first, then lyrics.
I've done this before while writing lyrics - I've come up with a working title that I really ended up liking, so then I wrote the lyrics to accommodate that title. I'm sure that happens a lot. Maybe not with DT since they normally come up with titles like Schindler's Lisp or NADS. But it happens to me. I'm sure it's happened to them before.
And this is why DT's lyrics will unfortunately continue to be sub par. Apart from sharing lyric writing duties which I personally don't condone, it seems like they are a complete afterthought.
I don't mind too much because I've never come to DT for their lyrics but I would love to see them let the lyrics and structure dictate a song as supposed to in continuously being the other way around.
JM's lyrics wasn't wrote before the melody ? I read an interview where MP said that after "Scenes From a Memory" JM was kind of prohibited to write lyrics, because JM didn't think in the melody and was a hard work to fit the lyrics. Is that true ?
Sorry for my bad english. I'm working on this, be welcome to correct me.
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JM's lyrics wasn't wrote before the melody ? I read an interview where MP said that after "Scenes From a Memory" JM was kind of prohibited to write lyrics, because JM didn't think in the melody and was a hard work to fit the lyrics. Is that true ?
Sorry for my bad english. I'm working on this, be welcome to correct me.
You heard right. It was hard to fit his lyrics into the preexisting music.
The music is always written first with DT.
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I mean, the lyrics to Under A Glass Moon sound nice, but they're basically just gibberish. The same could be said for Metropolis, really. The only reason we know what it's about is because the band told us.
To clarify, I don't think that lyrics actually have to mean anything to be good. But it does bother me when these sort of "nonsense" lyrics are regarded as great. But, that's just my opinion. :)
I just wanted to chime in as someone who tends to adore 'nonsense' lyrics. I treasure anything that inspires my imagination and puts me in a creative mood, and lyrics like those of Metropolis and Under a Glass Moon do exactly that for me. They have a dream-like quality that fills me with creative energy and takes my mind places it wouldn't go on its own. And that, to me, is an absolutely beautiful thing.
That's not to say that these types of lyrics are inherently superior to other styles, of course. There's a lot to be said for more straight-forward lyrics, and lyrics with deeper meanings are wonderful. But 'nonsense' lyrics can be great, too.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. Just wanted to provide a counterpoint. :)
Oh yeah, totally. I love some good nonsense lyrics. Ever heard Green Carnation's Light Of Day, Day Of Darkness? Love those lyrics. Have no idea what they mean, but I still love 'em.
I agree, though I don't really consider those lyrics to be nonsense. You should look up the meaning, the lyrics are actually pretty emotional/personal. They're great.
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I mean nonsense in the sense that I have no idea what they mean. I assume most lyrics do actually mean something, just a lot of times I'm totally in the dark about it. And I'm okay with that, to be honest.
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Ah gotcha. I thought you meant when lyrics are more or less gibberish, like UAGM.
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Am i the only one who thought Mike looked awesome with that super long hair? Like seriously it was pretty great. The promo just sucked. Id love to see MM headbanging behind that drumkit swinging all that hair around. It would look so badass
Yeah, the long hair fit(s) him really well :metal
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Anyone else head over heels on how this album is gonna kick ass
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I love ItPoE and TMOLS both lyrically and instrumental. BCSL not that much
Pretty much this. I actually like most of Systematic Chaos lyrically, every song except The Dark Eternal Night.
There is no song on Black Clouds & Silver Linings I can say I really like lyrically. Wither is okay at best, but it's still pretty lyrically dull.
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Lyrics should be touching and should fit the rythym, a perfect example is Opeth's Harvest:
Into the orchard I walk, peering way past the gate
Wilted scenes for us who couldn't wait
Drained by the coldest caress, stalking shadows ahead
Halo of death, all I see is departure
Mourner's lament, but it's me who's the martyr
A very touching description of death and no need to describe how beautifully they flaw into the melody.
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JM wasn't prohibited from anything. they made a rule that all lyrics had to be crafted to fit the melodies by the lyricist upon submission, and that's when JM stopped contributing lyrics. even though i completely disagree with that philosophy/rule, JM was the only one prohibiting himself from continuing to write.
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I just wanted to chime in as someone who tends to adore 'nonsense' lyrics. I treasure anything that inspires my imagination and puts me in a creative mood, and lyrics like those of Metropolis and Under a Glass Moon do exactly that for me. They have a dream-like quality that fills me with creative energy and takes my mind places it wouldn't go on its own. And that, to me, is an absolutely beautiful thing.
Absolutely agree. That's essentially how I think of DT's older lyrics - and I think that approach was a great juxtapozition with the music. I also appreciated what they did with Scenes because obviously that were telling a story and they did so successfully.
The majority of material inbetween however just doesn't do it for me lyrically. Everything is quasi-poetic with no really creativity or message There are a few gems like The Great Debate and In The Name of God but they are few and far between for me personally.
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The import versions of the S/T album are up on amazon.com for pre-order.
Interesting.
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JM wasn't prohibited from anything. they made a rule that all lyrics had to be crafted to fit the melodies by the lyricist upon submission, and that's when JM stopped contributing lyrics. even though i completely disagree with that philosophy/rule, JM was the only one prohibiting himself from continuing to write.
I think that it's fair that JP is now credited on JM's lyrics since it is a lot of work to adapt JM's poem style to a song. It is just a pity that it took so long to get to this arrangement. More JM/JP cooperation please!
EDIT: Did we already speculate who wrote the lyrics to which song?
I think we know:
-The Enemy Inside - JP
-The Looking Glass - JP
-Along for the Ride - JP
My Guess:
-Behind the Veil - JM
-Illumination Theory - JP (or different lyricist for each movement?)
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I read an interview where MP said that after "Scenes From a Memory" JM was kind of prohibited to write lyrics, because JM didn't think in the melody and was a hard work to fit the lyrics. Is that true ?
Not exactly. This is more accurate:
JM wasn't prohibited from anything. they made a rule that all lyrics had to be crafted to fit the melodies by the lyricist upon submission, and that's when JM stopped contributing lyrics. even though i completely disagree with that philosophy/rule, JM was the only one prohibiting himself from continuing to write.
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I agree 100%, Ninja! I don't like the lyrics to Learning to Live either. Sounds like a 9-year-old wrote that.
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I believe it's gonna be on same proportion as ADTOE, everything Petrucci except one Myung lyric and one LaBrie lyric.
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I believe it's gonna be on same proportion as ADTOE, everything Petrucci except one Myung lyric and one LaBrie lyric.
I was thinking the same but :omg: if JR wrote something.
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I agree 100%, Ninja! I don't like the lyrics to Learning to Live either. Sounds like a 9-year-old wrote that.
Tiagodon, I believe you have already been spoken to about some of your posts, even though you have not received a formal warning before this. But these kinds of posts are not appropriate.
12. Insults or senseless bashing of the current or former band members of Dream Theater and/or their music will not be tolerated. Honest, open critique is always allowed, provided it does not cross the line and become bashing, belittling, etc.
There is nothing constructive at all about the way you worded your post. Please familiarize yourself with the forum rules if you have not done so already.
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I believe it's gonna be on same proportion as ADTOE, everything Petrucci except one Myung lyric and one LaBrie lyric.
I was thinking the same but :omg: if JR wrote something.
That would be very cool, but it doubt it since JR himself has expressed lack of interest in writing lyrics for DT. I believe he said on an interview something like "the other guys got the lyric department more than covered, so I might just as well focus in doing my thing".
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I agree 100%, Ninja! I don't like the lyrics to Learning to Live either. Sounds like a 9-year-old wrote that.
I was wondering if I even new the meaning of "nature's inflexible grace" when I was nine.
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I agree 100%, Ninja! I don't like the lyrics to Learning to Live either. Sounds like a 9-year-old wrote that.
9-year olds writing about AIDS, makes sense.
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I agree 100%, Ninja! I don't like the lyrics to Learning to Live either. Sounds like a 9-year-old wrote that.
9-year olds writing about AIDS, makes sense.
An overmature and quite talented 9-year old
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Sorry. I just enjoy open conversations.
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We need more JLB lyrics!
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Just my opinion, i'm ok if you have a different one, i enjoy open conversations as well.
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Stop posting boring and senseless In studio video updates and give us some new musical content. Please DT!!!! We need an album teaser or a single!
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Just my opinion, i'm ok if you have a different one, i enjoy open conversations as well.
I suggest you go through the LTL lyrics again and read them as a testimony from someone having AIDS and learning to live with his disease; I am sure your verdict will change to the extent of requiring parental advisory :biggrin:
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Just my opinion, i'm ok if you have a different one, i enjoy open conversations as well.
I suggest you go through the LTL lyrics again and read them as a testimony from someone having AIDS and learning to live with his disease; I am sure your verdict will change to the extent of requiring parental advisory :biggrin:
Based on your opinion, do you think you quoted the right one? ;)
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Is it about Aids? How do you know? I just read it again and I can't tell...
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Yes, it is well-known that LTL is about AIDS.
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I didn't know that. In that case, the lyrics makes more sense to me now...
Thanks!
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Just my opinion, i'm ok if you have a different one, i enjoy open conversations as well.
I suggest you go through the LTL lyrics again and read them as a testimony from someone having AIDS and learning to live with his disease; I am sure your verdict will change to the extent of requiring parental advisory :biggrin:
Based on your opinion, do you think you quoted the right one? ;)
Sorry, wrong quote :-\
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I've always thought that LTL lyrics were good (being part of amazing music always helps :)). They are typical JM and some lines are quite poignant.
As a counter, I would like to present lyrics that also address an illness, but do so in a much more successful manner (imo).
This is not only an example of lyrics that provoke the listener, it also uses clever word play, and thru the delivery it drives home the raw emotion perfectly to me. This is where I think DT could learn a lot because I'm sure they are capable as humans and musicians of doing this, they just don't for whatever reason.
Protest the Hero - Tandem
Everyone knows that Cancer
Takes bites of every family
And it eats up families whole
Dance around the issue
Take issue with the answers provided
The past few years radiate with treatment
But to every day she'll put her cap on and greet them
She's got demons but you'll never meet them
Yeah we hope one day that she can finally beat them all
She laughs for us
She laughs so we don't worry
She smiles through the pain
And keeps the details blurry
My intentions are not to expose
The depths of her trouble aren't mine to disclose
But like evening rain on the petal of a rose
It drips down to the earth and begins to compose
And if there's one thing that remains
So crystal clear to us
It's that the wandering hands of the gods
Are so goddamn mysterious
Like there could be a justification
For the lives it takes and the lives that it's taken
This isn't a eulogy
Or a requiem
Just some words I've sketched out
Cause I haven't said them
This isn't about her father or brother
Just a few simple words so she knows that I love her
And tragedy will never disaffect her
I hope she knows how much I respect her
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JPX, nice lyrics! Loved it!
It goes straight to the point!
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Jordan's twitter profile has been hacked....is someone trying to steal him new album stuff from his IPad? ;D
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Jordan's twitter profile has been hacked....is someone trying to steal him new album stuff from his IPad? ;D
They also hijacked his car after he posted the IT pic :biggrin:
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The muscle build up tweet would be more likely to be real if it came from JP :rollin
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Yes, it is well-known that LTL is about AIDS.
I never imagined it was about AIDS in particular. I always thought it was broader than that. About anyone dealing with discrimination, be it race/gender/sexual orientation/disability or personal demons. I've always read them as being about finding out who you are on your own terms.
The AIDS thing works just as well.
LTL is one of JMs best lyrical contributions to DT to date.
I hope he can do something equally as great on DT12
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I see Learning to Live as inspired by the AIDS epidemic but not necessarily about it. There are some lines that refer indirectly to it but could really refer to anything that prevents someone from living "normally" and blending in to society:
"Once again we dance in the crowd
At times a step away
From a common fear that's all spread out
It won't listen to what you say
Once you're touched you stand alone
To face the bitter fight
Once I reached for love
And now I reached for life"
I actually think the fact that the opening line is from Atlas Shrugged could suggest that it is also partially inspired by Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism. As a student of that philosophy, I can definitely say that the overall message of trying to "live life like some people never will" and finding "kindness, beauty and truth" are definitely common themes of Rand's fiction and that the final line is a perfect description of the Objectivist metaphysics.
"Through nature's inflexible grace
I'm learning to live"
Because Objectivism holds that reality is absolute and cannot be changed by whim ("inflexible") but that humanity is able to understand it and thrive in it through use of reason ("I'm learning to live"); that the universe is not hostile to mankind, rather it is benevolent ("grace").
So, yes, Myung has stated that it was inspired by the AIDS epidemic, but I think his lyrics are broad enough to be read without reference to AIDS as well. The broad theme, without reference to particulars, is definitely encompassed by the title. The song is about learning to live.
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I see learning to live [...] The song is about learning to live.
Thanks for your post, it was a really interesting read.
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I see Learning to Live as inspired by the AIDS epidemic but not necessarily about it. There are some lines that refer indirectly to it but could really refer to anything that prevents someone from living "normally" and blending in to society:
"Once again we dance in the crowd
At times a step away
From a common fear that's all spread out
It won't listen to what you say
Once you're touched you stand alone
To face the bitter fight
Once I reached for love
And now I reached for life"
I actually think the fact that the opening line is from Atlas Shrugged could suggest that it is also partially inspired by Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism. As a student of that philosophy, I can definitely say that the overall message of trying to "live life like some people never will" and finding "kindness, beauty and truth" are definitely common themes of Rand's fiction and that the final line is a perfect description of the Objectivist metaphysics.
"Through nature's inflexible grace
I'm learning to live"
Because Objectivism holds that reality is absolute and cannot be changed by whim ("inflexible") but that humanity is able to understand it and thrive in it through use of reason ("I'm learning to live"); that the universe is not hostile to mankind, rather it is benevolent ("grace").
So, yes, Myung has stated that it was inspired by the AIDS epidemic, but I think his lyrics are broad enough to be read without reference to AIDS as well. The broad theme, without reference to particulars, is definitely encompassed by the title. The song is about learning to live.
No offense to the poster that claimed that LTL lyrics were something a 9 year old would write.......but that is crazy. I assumed that he was joking but I guess not?
The lyrics are pretty damn solid. Even if you don't like them you should recognize quality and that a 9 year old couldn't write them.
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I'm aware of Rand's philosophy and impressed by the fact you brought it up.
I really don't see it in LTL, maybe in some parts, but your point of view is quite interesting...
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I see Learning to Live as inspired by the AIDS epidemic but not necessarily about it. There are some lines that refer indirectly to it but could really refer to anything that prevents someone from living "normally" and blending in to society:
*snip*
So, yes, Myung has stated that it was inspired by the AIDS epidemic, but I think his lyrics are broad enough to be read without reference to AIDS as well. The broad theme, without reference to particulars, is definitely encompassed by the title. The song is about learning to live.
This is how I've always seen those lyrics, thanks for the great post! :tup
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I'd like to say that that was post #100, but I'm pretty sure that #100 was a joke about Twitter spam. Anyway, thanks for the compliments on my 99th post!
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So, what about the new DT album?
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I was thinking about this earlier today: maybe we'll get the final studio video next week and a new single the week after that?
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I was hoping for a single next week :\
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I'm just guessing, nothing is set in stone!
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How do we know that part 3 is the final part?
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I was hoping for a single next week :\
WAS hoping? never lose hope for a single, brother :laugh:
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There will be an announcement of the announcement of the single at the end of In Studio part 10 XD
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I agree 100%, Ninja! I don't like the lyrics to Learning to Live either. Sounds like a 9-year-old wrote that.
Tiagodon, I believe you have already been spoken to about some of your posts, even though you have not received a formal warning before this. But these kinds of posts are not appropriate.
12. Insults or senseless bashing of the current or former band members of Dream Theater and/or their music will not be tolerated. Honest, open critique is always allowed, provided it does not cross the line and become bashing, belittling, etc.
There is nothing constructive at all about the way you worded your post. Please familiarize yourself with the forum rules if you have not done so already.
That seems excessive. apparently criticism = bashing now
thanks for the update Mike Portnoy
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:lol
"Learning to Live sounds like it was written by a 9-year-old" is not constructive criticism.
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:lol
"Learning to Live sounds like it was written by a 9-year-old" is not constructive criticism.
The wording is a bit strong, but if he had said that he finds the lyrics childish/infantile, it'd be fine (even though I disagree with his opinion).
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I agree 100%, Ninja! I don't like the lyrics to Learning to Live either. Sounds like a 9-year-old wrote that.
Tiagodon, I believe you have already been spoken to about some of your posts, even though you have not received a formal warning before this. But these kinds of posts are not appropriate.
12. Insults or senseless bashing of the current or former band members of Dream Theater and/or their music will not be tolerated. Honest, open critique is always allowed, provided it does not cross the line and become bashing, belittling, etc.
There is nothing constructive at all about the way you worded your post. Please familiarize yourself with the forum rules if you have not done so already.
That seems excessive. apparently criticism = bashing now
thanks for the update Mike Portnoy
Rule of thumb: If a sentence retains its meaning when you substitute your criticism with the word "doody-head" (or an appropriate variation thereupon) it is probably not constructive.
For example - "I don't like the lyrics to Learning to Live either. Sounds like a doody-head wrote that."
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I was hoping for a single next week :\
WAS hoping? never lose hope for a single, brother :laugh:
I'm just guessing, nothing is set in stone!
Fucking English grammar, guys :D :lol
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Wrong, Robwebster!
What I meant was: the lyrics are vague and use commonplace ideas, just like the structure of a text written by a kid. Childish lyrics. Nothing to do with doody-head.. Bad move!
If that is bashing... well...
Anyway, I changed my mind about the lyrics, after the lectures here...
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Wrong, Robwebster!
What I meant was: the lyrics are vague and use commonplace ideas, just like the structure of a text written by a kid. Childish lyrics. Nothing to do with doody-head.. Bad move!
If that is bashing... well...
Anyway, I changed my mind about the lyrics, after the lectures here...
Why didn't you simply explain that before resorting to what is easily seen as bashing?
That's like if I said, "Wow, this cheeseburger looks like a mentally handicapped person made it," and I simply mean, "Wow, they forgot the cheese on my burger, someone made a mistake."
I mean the same thing both times, but the first one is much more insulting.
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What the actual hell, kids? Album thread becomes Lyric Pissing Contest? I thought this was about the new Dream Theater record and it's track list?
How bout that new album coming SOON eh? :neverusethis:
Just sayin... :facepalm:
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Wrong, Robwebster!
What I meant was: the lyrics are vague and use commonplace ideas, just like the structure of a text written by a kid. Childish lyrics. Nothing to do with doody-head.. Bad move!
If that is bashing... well...
Anyway, I changed my mind about the lyrics, after the lectures here...
Why didn't you simply explain that before resorting to what is easily seen as bashing?
That's like if I said, "Wow, this cheeseburger looks like a mentally handicapped person made it," and I simply mean, "Wow, they forgot the cheese on my burger, someone made a mistake."
I mean the same thing both times, but the first one is much more insulting.
This analogy, as well as the outrage is the textbook definition of blowing things out of proportion. My 2˘.
thanks for the update Mike Portnoy
That infamous TBOT thread did actually come to mind for a second. :)
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I see Learning to Live as inspired by the AIDS epidemic but not necessarily about it. There are some lines that refer indirectly to it but could really refer to anything that prevents someone from living "normally" and blending in to society:
"Once again we dance in the crowd
At times a step away
From a common fear that's all spread out
It won't listen to what you say
Once you're touched you stand alone
To face the bitter fight
Once I reached for love
And now I reached for life"
I actually think the fact that the opening line is from Atlas Shrugged could suggest that it is also partially inspired by Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism. As a student of that philosophy, I can definitely say that the overall message of trying to "live life like some people never will" and finding "kindness, beauty and truth" are definitely common themes of Rand's fiction and that the final line is a perfect description of the Objectivist metaphysics.
"Through nature's inflexible grace
I'm learning to live"
Because Objectivism holds that reality is absolute and cannot be changed by whim ("inflexible") but that humanity is able to understand it and thrive in it through use of reason ("I'm learning to live"); that the universe is not hostile to mankind, rather it is benevolent ("grace").
So, yes, Myung has stated that it was inspired by the AIDS epidemic, but I think his lyrics are broad enough to be read without reference to AIDS as well. The broad theme, without reference to particulars, is definitely encompassed by the title. The song is about learning to live.
Very interesting take on it. I love when peeps here offer up intelligent discussions like this. There is something really poetic about the lyrics to LTL, and it seems to just flow with a genuine passion.
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That seems excessive. apparently criticism = bashing now
thanks for the update Mike Portnoy
Thanks for the modding advice.
First off, if you have questions about a modding decision, the proper way to address it is to send the mods a PM--not to further derail the thread by posting about the modding decision instead of the topic. And to add to that, attacking me or the mod staff are only going to get you into trouble and aren't really going to help you in proving whatever you believe your point is.
Second, as explained above, criticism is permitted if it is constructive criticism. As others have pointed out, there's nothign constructive whatsoever about referring to DT's music as the work of a 9-year-old, and frankly, I'm surprised that even needs an explanation.
That said, the thread needs to get back on topic.
-MP
#yunolikemybloodspillonyourbrandnewfloor
What the actual hell, kids? Album thread becomes Lyric Pissing Contest? I thought this was about the new Dream Theater record and it's track list?
How bout that new album coming SOON eh? :neverusethis:
Just sayin... :facepalm:
This. Let's get the thread back on topic.
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I just hope they don't release more than one song before 24/09 (or 09/24 for our fellow 'muricans :biggrin:)
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I want a single. I want snippets. I don't want snippets. I want the whole album now.
I DONT KNOW WHAT I WANT
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I DONT KNOW WHAT I WANT
But no one can take that away.
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I want a single. I want snippets. I don't want snippets. I want the whole album now.
I DONT KNOW WHAT I WANT
I'm kinda the same way. I would love to have a tease of what the album sounds like (more than what James sings in pt 2 of the studio vid) But at the same time, I wouldn't mind letting the album be totally fresh come 9/24
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just one song and I'll be happy for two months!!!
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What I really want is for the album to come out sooner, or for LUNA PARK (remember that?) to come out soon so I have something to fill the DT void
inb4 There is other music out there
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I legitimately hate the "there is other music out there" response. I don't get how knowing lots of other music should make one less excited / less anticipating for a new release by his or her favourite band. :justjen
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Seriously. There are few bands (that are still recording) that can get me excited like this for a new album: Porcupine Tree / Steven Wilson, Dream Theater / JLB / other DT side projects, maybe Metallica.
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Seriously. There are few bands (that are still recording) that can get me excited like this for a new album: Porcupine Tree / Steven Wilson, Dream Theater / JLB / other DT side projects, maybe Metallica.
Not in my world there isn't, but that's simply because when I know DT is in the studio I tend to listen to them exclusively. It's not to say that I don't like other bands, but litterally for almost a year straight, all I've listened to is DT. Listening to Dream Theater never gets old. :metal
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I legitimately hate the "there is other music out there" response. I don't get how knowing lots of other music should make one less excited / less anticipating for a new release by his or her favourite band. :justjen
Yea. DT isn't even my favorite band, but since this is the DT forum and they have a new album coming soon, naturally I'm gonna express my excitement here. What else am I gonna talk about in this thread? The new Haken? There's already a thread for that!
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I was hoping for a single next week :\
WAS hoping? never lose hope for a single, brother :laugh:
I'd say from the current trend of things, we'll get Studio Update 3 in 2 weeks, and then a single (or maybe snippets) 2 weeks after that. I don't think it's realistic to hope for more content anytime soon.
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just one song and I'll be happy for two months!!!
:tup Yes!
Porcupine Tree's recording a new album? I missed that.
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What I really want is for the album to come out sooner, or for LUNA PARK (remember that?) to come out soon so I have something to fill the DT void
inb4 There is other music out there
I've actually learnt not to look forward to releases such as this. I've been dissapointed too many times (not just music), plus you don't strees out waiting.
It's like with Black Ops 2 last year. BO1 and MW3 had turned me off a franchise that I used to love. So I preordered BO2 and didn't read about it at all and I didn't even pick it up until a few days after it was released. The result is that I didn't count down the months/weeks/days leading up to it and I didn't have any preconceived hype. As such, I loved the game and plan on approaching future releases the same way.
I almost regret seeing the track listing for DT12 but I honestly haven't paid too much attention to info.
I don't want to make it seem like I don't care about the release because I care deeply. It's almost like I fake myself out for the sake of the end result.
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just one song and I'll be happy for two months!!!
:tup Yes!
Porcupine Tree's recording a new album? I missed that.
....Porcupine Tree's on an indefinite hiatus.
Unless you were being sarcastic...
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I legitimately hate the "there is other music out there" response. I don't get how knowing lots of other music should make one less excited / less anticipating for a new release by his or her favourite band. :justjen
For me it actually does, loads of music = loads of stuff to "do", and the more stuff I have to do, the less I can keep up with everything that's going on and keep myself excited for one thing for several months.
But:
Since this is the DT forum and they have a new album coming soon, naturally I'm gonna express my excitement here. What else am I gonna talk about in this thread? The new Haken? There's already a thread for that!
Absolutely. I'm not gonna say "oh man when I find the time/headspace to be excited about the new DT I AM SO EXCITED THEN". I'm just gonna say I'm excited.
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Seriously. There are few bands (that are still recording) that can get me excited like this for a new album: Porcupine Tree / Steven Wilson, Dream Theater / JLB / other DT side projects, maybe Metallica.
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:sadpanda:
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I DONT KNOW WHAT I WANT
But no one can take that away.
:TAC:
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Journeyman1
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I hope they don't release a single. I want to listen to the album as a whole for the first time. However, I don't have the discipline to refrain from listening to the single if they release it :-[
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I hope they don't release a single. I want to listen to the album as a whole for the first time. However, I don't have the discipline to refrain from listening to the single if they release it :-[
This.
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So, my first post here. Let's go. I've been following new Dream Theater releases since before Black Clouds & Silver Linings (So I'm sort of a half-recent, half-old fan.) and I have to say that this album is the one that I'm getting most excited about. The title, the track names, Mangini composing... Funny thing is that I didn't like any of ADTOE's song titles when they were released to the public, but I ended up liking the album nonetheless, but now, I've liked every single track name. I know names are just names, but the fact that this album also has a 20 minute epic AND an instrumental is making me restless. I want single/snippets and the third studio video ASAP! :lol
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Welcome, friend.
:welcome:
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So, my first post here. Let's go. I've been following new Dream Theater releases since before Black Clouds & Silver Linings (So I'm sort of a half-recent, half-old fan.)
You know this band's been around since the 80's right? :lol
Just messing with you. Welcome to the forum!
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I DONT KNOW WHAT I WANT
But no one can take that away.
:TAC:
Stop that, he's only 17.
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I hope they don't release a single. I want to listen to the album as a whole for the first time. However, I don't have the discipline to refrain from listening to the single if they release it :-[
See, to me, this is your problem, not anybody else's. I don't mean to sound harsh, but if you don't have the discipline to refrain from listening to something you don't want to hear, maybe you should work on your discipline. Because there are people who do want to hear a single before the album comes out. Why should they have to miss out just because you lack self-restraint?
I think it makes a lot more sense to release a single (and snippets, and whatever else the band is comfortable releasing ahead of time). That way, everyone can make their own decision about whether or not they want to listen to it.
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So, my first post here. Let's go. I've been following new Dream Theater releases since before Black Clouds & Silver Linings (So I'm sort of a half-recent, half-old fan.)
You know this band's been around since the 80's right? :lol
Just messing with you. Welcome to the forum!
Thanks. Haha, yeah. I meant in the sense that I'm not a 100 percent Dream Theater "Virgin" :rollin Saw them live twice in Rio and currently waiting for the 3rd time.
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Is there really a big chance of a single not being released? I imagine Roadrunner wants one, at the very least. And OTBOA did such a good job with building buzz for ADTOE that it would only make sense to use similar promotion techniques.
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I hope they don't release a single. I want to listen to the album as a whole for the first time. However, I don't have the discipline to refrain from listening to the single if they release it :-[
See, to me, this is your problem, not anybody else's. I don't mean to sound harsh, but if you don't have the discipline to refrain from listening to something you don't want to hear, maybe you should work on your discipline. Because there are people who do want to hear a single before the album comes out. Why should they have to miss out just because you lack self-restraint?
I think it makes a lot more sense to release a single (and snippets, and whatever else the band is comfortable releasing ahead of time). That way, everyone can make their own decision about whether or not they want to listen to it.
It's like you stole my post pre-emptively. Or stole one of my old posts on the same topic. :biggrin:
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I hope they don't release a single. I want to listen to the album as a whole for the first time. However, I don't have the discipline to refrain from listening to the single if they release it :-[
See, to me, this is your problem, not anybody else's. I don't mean to sound harsh, but if you don't have the discipline to refrain from listening to something you don't want to hear, maybe you should work on your discipline. Because there are people who do want to hear a single before the album comes out. Why should they have to miss out just because you lack self-restraint?
I think it makes a lot more sense to release a single (and snippets, and whatever else the band is comfortable releasing ahead of time). That way, everyone can make their own decision about whether or not they want to listen to it.
This. No one forces you to listen to the single and there are lots of people who actually want to hear it.
So, my first post here. Let's go. I've been following new Dream Theater releases since before Black Clouds & Silver Linings (So I'm sort of a half-recent, half-old fan.) and I have to say that this album is the one that I'm getting most excited about. The title, the track names, Mangini composing... Funny thing is that I didn't like any of ADTOE's song titles when they were released to the public, but I ended up liking the album nonetheless, but now, I've liked every single track name.
Welcome! Like you, I found the ADTOE titles kind of cheesy and cliché when they were announced, but the album became my third favorite, so you can never guess the quality of the songs by their titles.
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just one song and I'll be happy for two months!!!
:tup Yes!
Porcupine Tree's recording a new album? I missed that.
Damn it! I got all excited for a moment there.
....Porcupine Tree's on an indefinite hiatus.
Unless you were being sarcastic...
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I hope they don't release a single. I want to listen to the album as a whole for the first time. However, I don't have the discipline to refrain from listening to the single if they release it :-[
See, to me, this is your problem, not anybody else's. I don't mean to sound harsh, but if you don't have the discipline to refrain from listening to something you don't want to hear, maybe you should work on your discipline. Because there are people who do want to hear a single before the album comes out. Why should they have to miss out just because you lack self-restraint?
I think it makes a lot more sense to release a single (and snippets, and whatever else the band is comfortable releasing ahead of time). That way, everyone can make their own decision about whether or not they want to listen to it.
Amen.
Even if I was the type of person that didn't want to hear anything until release there is no way that I would wish that a single wasn't released so that those that want to hear something don't get to. Why hope that others are deprived just because you don't have enough will power? I would just chose not to listen if I didn't want to hear anything.
I am the type though that wants to hear a single and if they release one you bet your ass I am going to listen 1st thing,
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I legitimately hate the "there is other music out there" response. I don't get how knowing lots of other music should make one less excited / less anticipating for a new release by his or her favourite band. :justjen
Yea. DT isn't even my favorite band
Burn him!!!!! :xbones
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I can't restrain myself from listening to anything new from DT. I saved all the snippets in my cellphone, so I could listen to it everywhere...
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Self-restraint from listening to a new DT single... is that some kind of magical spell?
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Self-restraint from listening to a new DT single... is that some kind of magical spell?
I never was a good wizard, so I can't tell you ;D
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Welcome, friend.
:welcome:
:clap:
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DT isn't even my favorite band, but since this is the DT forum and they have a new album coming soon, naturally I'm gonna express my excitement here.
DT isn't my #1 either, but there is no other band that makes me as excited for a new album as DT. They're just really good in getting people ridiculously excited. I don't participate in any hype stuff like "DT12 will be their best album ever" (because that mostly leads to disappointment), but I'm still confident they craft something great.
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Classic Prog Magazine given their first impressions on their Facebook page! (I'm a lurker but just had to share this)
"First impressions: different to A Dramatic Turn of Events. Heavier and also more melodic. Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places. The epic Illumination Theory will thrill DT fans. It won't change opinions of the band's detractors within the prog community, and these are still early days, but it sounds like a strong addition to the band's body of work."
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Seems like a very level headed statement. With DT it usually takes multiple listens spread out over weeks/months to take it all in.
That is the first review. Hopefully we get more soon.
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I guess it had to be heavier. The mix made ADTOE sound very "smooth". Even BITS doesn't really sound heavy, even though the song itself is pretty far out on the heavy side. More melodic sounds good, but I found ADTOE to be one of their best albums melodically, so I'm not sure if I'll agree with that when the album comes out. What some people call melodic is what I call non melodic and vice versa.
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DT isn't even my favorite band, but since this is the DT forum and they have a new album coming soon, naturally I'm gonna express my excitement here.
DT isn't my #1 either, but there is no other band that makes me as excited for a new album as DT. They're just really good in getting people ridiculously excited. I don't participate in any hype stuff like "DT12 will be their best album ever" (because that mostly leads to disappointment), but I'm still confident they craft something great.
Agreed. The only two bands at this point that make me giddy for a new album are Dream Theater & Green Day.
Because you know that it will at least be *good* no matter what. Neither band has put out a truly terrible album yet.
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I guess it had to be heavier. The mix made ADTOE sound very "smooth". Even BITS doesn't really sound heavy, even though the song itself is pretty far out on the heavy side. More melodic sounds good, but I found ADTOE to be one of their best albums melodically, so I'm not sure if I'll agree with that when the album comes out. What some people call melodic is what I call non melodic and vice versa.
Melodic, heavy, prog... these are terms that really vary in everyone's minds and tastes. I think I&W and Awake are less prog than the other albums. Some would say exactly the opposite...
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Aw, I was hoping for something on the ADTOE scale of mellow... It's not by chance it turned the holy trinity into a holy... something (I DON'T KNOW THE WORD, WELP) for me.
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Heavier and more melodic? Sounds great already.
But they didn't tell me how rich and chocolatey the guitars sound. :(
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Yep, sounds perfect.
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Well, sort of what I was expecting! :eek
Is anybody buying the magazine? I assume there will be something more in-depth inside, right?
Anyway, we got the first review of the album. The first single cannot be more than one or two weeks away.
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Agreed. The only two bands at this point that make me giddy for a new album are Dream Theater & Green Day.
Because you know that it will at least be *good* no matter what. Neither band has put out a truly terrible album yet.
It's not like I don't get exited for other new albums, in fact the new Amorphis album Circle was probably the album I looked forward to the most in quite a long time (and the guys didn't disappoint :metal), but DT just make me go :caffeine: like no other band. Still, there are lots of other albums coming out this year or next year that I'm really looking forward to.
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2013 has been and will be an excellent year for new releases: Riverside, Niacin, Deep Purple, Spock's Beard, Donati solo album...but nothing can touch the triple dosage of DT (album, dvd, book) I'm about to get this fall. Just thinking about it makes my head spin. :omg:
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I'm a bit surprised promotional copies have been passed out already. Nevertheless, melodic and heavy makes me very happy.
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Classic Prog Magazine given their first impressions on their Facebook page! (I'm a lurker but just had to share this)
"First impressions: different to A Dramatic Turn of Events. Heavier and also more melodic. Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places. The epic Illumination Theory will thrill DT fans. It won't change opinions of the band's detractors within the prog community, and these are still early days, but it sounds like a strong addition to the band's body of work."
Sounds very promising. This album is going to rock (or prog :P)!
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"Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places." This rubs the right way, although I was definitely expecting it, mostly because of Mangini. Not sure about the heavy or melodic part though. ADTOE displayed just right amount of heaviness after the previous two albums, but I dislike almost every single chorus on it for being too melodic and "catchy" (in the wrong way).
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"Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places." This rubs the right way, although I was definitely expecting it, mostly because of Mangini. Not sure about the heavy or melodic part though. ADTOE displayed just right amount of heaviness after the previous two albums, but I dislike almost every single chorus on it for being too melodic and "catchy".
Only on a prog forum have I ever seen something criticized for being too melodic and catchy. :lolpalm: That's like having too much money, or your dinner being too tasty (or your chocolate cake being too rich and chocolatey).
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"Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places." This rubs the right way, although I was definitely expecting it, mostly because of Mangini. Not sure about the heavy or melodic part though. ADTOE displayed just right amount of heaviness after the previous two albums, but I dislike almost every single chorus on it for being too melodic and "catchy".
Only on a prog forum have I ever seen something criticized for being too melodic and catchy. :lolpalm: That's like having too much money, or your dinner being too tasty (or your chocolate cake being too rich and chocolatey).
No, that's nothing like it and you're being condescending. There's nothing inherently wrong with catchy and melodic, but when it goes into being cheesy, I draw the line. Some choruses on ADTOE are verging on that line, as well as a few other songs in the DT catalog.
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"Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places." This rubs the right way, although I was definitely expecting it, mostly because of Mangini. Not sure about the heavy or melodic part though. ADTOE displayed just right amount of heaviness after the previous two albums, but I dislike almost every single chorus on it for being too melodic and "catchy".
Only on a prog forum have I ever seen something criticized for being too melodic and catchy. :lolpalm: That's like having too much money, or your dinner being too tasty (or your chocolate cake being too rich and chocolatey).
No, that's nothing like it and you're being condescending. There's nothing inherently wrong with catchy and melodic, but when it goes into being cheesy, I draw the line. Some choruses on ADTOE are verging on that line, as well as a few other songs in the DT catalog.
I didn't mean to be condescending, I just honestly couldn't comprehend your original comment being a criticism. Sorry if it came across that way.
But cheesy is a totally different attribute to melodic/catchy, and the two things are not really related imo. Had you said you disliked the choruses for being cheesy, then I would have understand what you meant (despite still very much disagreeing). :)
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I hope by heavy they don't mean BMUBMD heavy, or I will be oh so dissapointed. Very proggy and melodic is what i'm looking for, so that's good to hear. I think being different to adtoe has me the most excited for this.
:corn
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I didn't mean to be condescending, I just honestly couldn't comprehend your original comment being a criticism. Sorry if it came across that way.
But cheesy is a totally different attribute to melodic/catchy, and the two things are not really related imo. Had you said you disliked the choruses for being cheesy, then I would have understand what you meant (despite still very much disagreeing). :)
Melodic, heavy, prog... these are terms that really vary in everyone's minds and tastes.
I edited my first post a bit while you replied to it to avoid such a misunderstanding. For me, catchy and cheesy walk hand in hand, as cheesy, easy to hum melodies within simple scales are the easiest way to create catchy music. Like the post above said, all these terms are hugely subjective and while someone else, for instance, would say the TSCO on LSFNY is epic and majestic, I find it painfully cheesy, with the choir and all. :)
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I edited my first post a bit while you replied to it to avoid such a misunderstanding. For me, catchy and cheesy walk hand in hand, as cheesy, easy to hum melodies within simple scales are the easiest way to create catchy music. Like the post above said, all these terms are hugely subjective and while someone else, for instance, would say the TSCO on LSFNY is epic and majestic, I find it painfully cheesy, with the choir and all. :)
Yes, hugely subjective indeed! I'll just gladly agree to disagree there. Given your tastes, my music collection would probably turn you completely lactose intolerant.
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Good stuff. Exactly what i was expecting :)
I thought ADTOE was one of the most melodic one so I'm looking forward to this one!
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I didn't mean to be condescending, I just honestly couldn't comprehend your original comment being a criticism. Sorry if it came across that way.
But cheesy is a totally different attribute to melodic/catchy, and the two things are not really related imo. Had you said you disliked the choruses for being cheesy, then I would have understand what you meant (despite still very much disagreeing). :)
Melodic, heavy, prog... these are terms that really vary in everyone's minds and tastes.
Don't listen to LaBries new song.
Sometimes I feel like cheesy is cliche', the music doesn't suffer but it still kind of baffles me how music can be cheesy? Just cause they use simple progressions and melodies? Sounds funny too me to say that.
I edited my first post a bit while you replied to it to avoid such a misunderstanding. For me, catchy and cheesy walk hand in hand, as cheesy, easy to hum melodies within simple scales are the easiest way to create catchy music. Like the post above said, all these terms are hugely subjective and while someone else, for instance, would say the TSCO on LSFNY is epic and majestic, I find it painfully cheesy, with the choir and all. :)
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Classic Rock Presents Prog: It's not THAT heavy folks, calm down. It still sounds like Dream Theater. And remember we also said more melodic and more proggy too!
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I don't even know what "sounds like Dream Theater" means. If you took SC and BC&SL out of their discography then all of their albums are pretty different. So if unless they are heading for those two albums sounds then I don't know what to expect really.
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I don't even know what "sounds like Dream Theater" means. If you took SC and BC&SL out of their discography then all of their albums are pretty different. So if unless they are heading for those two albums sounds then I don't know what to expect really.
Why are you taking those albums out of the equation? Those are two of DT's most distinct, original-sounding albums.
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I don't even know what "sounds like Dream Theater" means. If you took SC and BC&SL out of their discography then all of their albums are pretty different. So if unless they are heading for those two albums sounds then I don't know what to expect really.
Why are you taking those albums out of the equation? Those are two of DT's most distinct, original-sounding albums.
Please...
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I don't even know what "sounds like Dream Theater" means. If you took SC and BC&SL out of their discography then all of their albums are pretty different. So if unless they are heading for those two albums sounds then I don't know what to expect really.
There is a distinctive sound to Dream Theater even though their albums are pretty different, so I see what they are saying.
JP and JLB are very recogniseable in tone and voice no matter what type of music they play IMO.
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I don't even know what "sounds like Dream Theater" means. If you took SC and BC&SL out of their discography then all of their albums are pretty different. So if unless they are heading for those two albums sounds then I don't know what to expect really.
Why are you taking those albums out of the equation? Those are two of DT's most distinct, original-sounding albums.
Please...
Please what? SC is by far my least favorite DT album, but I'll be the first to admit that it doesn't sound like any other DT album.
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Classic Rock Presents Prog: It's not THAT heavy folks, calm down. It still sounds like Dream Theater. And remember we also said more melodic and more proggy too!
Is that a real quote? It embarrasses me if the fanbase really whined enough to merit a response. Especially as there's absolutely nothing wrong with it being heavier.
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I'm gonna blame you when I can't even lift the CD off the shelf on release day, Blob.
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I guess it had to be heavier. The mix made ADTOE sound very "smooth". Even BITS doesn't really sound heavy, even though the song itself is pretty far out on the heavy side. More melodic sounds good, but I found ADTOE to be one of their best albums melodically, so I'm not sure if I'll agree with that when the album comes out. What some people call melodic is what I call non melodic and vice versa.
Melodic, heavy, prog... these are terms that really vary in everyone's minds and tastes. I think I&W and Awake are less prog than the other albums. Some would say exactly the opposite...
These can also be considered generic "safe" terms. And any pre-release reviews are still aimed at selling, so all the key phrases will be there. I think this statement is a good one to get the fans more hyped for the album. :tup
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Classic Rock Presents Prog: It's not THAT heavy folks, calm down. It still sounds like Dream Theater. And remember we also said more melodic and more proggy too!
Is that a real quote? It embarrasses me if the fanbase really whined enough to merit a response. Especially as there's absolutely nothing wrong with it being heavier.
It was just one fan who complained that DT is increasing it's heaviness coefficient with each step. Another poster seconded that and then the magazine replied with the quoted message.
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Classic Prog Magazine given their first impressions on their Facebook page! (I'm a lurker but just had to share this)
"First impressions: different to A Dramatic Turn of Events. Heavier and also more melodic. Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places. The epic Illumination Theory will thrill DT fans. It won't change opinions of the band's detractors within the prog community, and these are still early days, but it sounds like a strong addition to the band's body of work."
:tup :tup :tup
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Classic Rock Presents Prog: It's not THAT heavy folks, calm down. It still sounds like Dream Theater. And remember we also said more melodic and more proggy too!
Is that a real quote? It embarrasses me if the fanbase really whined enough to merit a response. Especially as there's absolutely nothing wrong with it being heavier.
It was just one fan who complained that DT is increasing it's heaviness coefficient with each step. Another poster seconded that and then the magazine replied with the quoted message.
Thanks to wasteland for the facts!
Because I was gonna say, there's not much to complain about in such a brief overview!
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Classic Rock Presents Prog: It's not THAT heavy folks, calm down. It still sounds like Dream Theater. And remember we also said more melodic and more proggy too!
Is that a real quote? It embarrasses me if the fanbase really whined enough to merit a response. Especially as there's absolutely nothing wrong with it being heavier.
It was just one fan who complained that DT is increasing it's heaviness coefficient with each step. Another poster seconded that and then the magazine replied with the quoted message.
Can you please show us where to check this review?
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I hope by heavy they don't mean BMUBMD heavy
Thanks for the reminder! *listening to BMU/BMD right now and loving every second of it*
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Maybe they're not allowed to be more concrete but that review could describe every DT album. Not helping at all (in my opinión, of course)
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I'm a bit surprised promotional copies have been passed out already. Nevertheless, melodic and heavy makes me very happy.
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DT isn't even my favorite band, but since this is the DT forum and they have a new album coming soon, naturally I'm gonna express my excitement here.
DT isn't my #1 either, but there is no other band that makes me as excited for a new album as DT. They're just really good in getting people ridiculously excited. I don't participate in any hype stuff like "DT12 will be their best album ever" (because that mostly leads to disappointment), but I'm still confident they craft something great.
Agreed. The only two bands at this point that make me giddy for a new album are Dream Theater & Green Day.
Because you know that it will at least be *good* no matter what. Neither band has put out a truly terrible album yet.
For me I get most excited about Dream Theater, Megadeth, and Iron Maiden releases.
I haven't found many new bands at all that I like. Usually I can't get into the singer.
I do like Pain of Salvation but their past couple of releases have not been very good.
Glad to hear Fates Warning is putting out a new CD sometime.
I also like bands like Testament (the non death metal albums), Tesla, OSI, Savatage (mainly with Zak Stevens as the vocalist) but am having trouble finding new bands to listen to
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Classic Rock Presents Prog: It's not THAT heavy folks, calm down. It still sounds like Dream Theater. And remember we also said more melodic and more proggy too!
Is that a real quote? It embarrasses me if the fanbase really whined enough to merit a response. Especially as there's absolutely nothing wrong with it being heavier.
It was just one fan who complained that DT is increasing it's heaviness coefficient with each step. Another poster seconded that and then the magazine replied with the quoted message.
Can you please show us where to check this review?
Classic Rock Presents Prog: It's not THAT heavy folks, calm down. It still sounds like Dream Theater. And remember we also said more melodic and more proggy too!
Is that a real quote? It embarrasses me if the fanbase really whined enough to merit a response. Especially as there's absolutely nothing wrong with it being heavier.
Yes, it is. (And why would i post an unreal one, btw?)
Here is the review/comment
https://www.facebook.com/progrockmag/posts/559350764104231?comment_id=5702013&offset=0&total_comments=23
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Classic Rock Presents Prog: It's not THAT heavy folks, calm down. It still sounds like Dream Theater. And remember we also said more melodic and more proggy too!
Is that a real quote? It embarrasses me if the fanbase really whined enough to merit a response. Especially as there's absolutely nothing wrong with it being heavier.
That's what we do, remember? DT fans to the grave, bro.
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Reading the comments on the fb page makes me wonder if some of those people are even fans. I mean, they're taking one persons interpretation of the album and saying this is gonna suck because it's heavier than the last album. Most people here find that to be a good thing. :lol
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Is it alright if someone post this review in the thread? Facebook is blocked here at work, and I don't think I will survive this day if I don't read the review :|
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Is it alright if someone post this review in the thread? Facebook is blocked here at work, and I don't think I will survive this day if I don't read the review :|
I believe everything that was said is what is posted in this thread. Nothing more! It was just comments on their FB page, not a proper review yet.
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For me I get most excited about Dream Theater, Megadeth, and Iron Maiden releases.
I haven't found many new bands at all that I like. Usually I can't get into the singer.
I do like Pain of Salvation but their past couple of releases have not been very good.
Glad to hear Fates Warning is putting out a new CD sometime.
I also like bands like Testament (the non death metal albums), Tesla, OSI, Savatage (mainly with Zak Stevens as the vocalist) but am having trouble finding new bands to listen to
Hey, nothing wrong with being selective. You like what you like, and that's cool. Good taste as far as most of the band's listed. :tup If you are looking to perhaps get into some new bands, you might want to start a thread in the General Music Discussion section listing what bands you like and what you like about them, and asking others to make recommendations.
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Is it alright if someone post this review in the thread? Facebook is blocked here at work, and I don't think I will survive this day if I don't read the review :|
I believe everything that was said is what is posted in this thread. Nothing more! It was just comments on their FB page, not a proper review yet.
Well, this is sad haha, but ok then.
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For me I get most excited about Dream Theater, Megadeth, and Iron Maiden releases.
I haven't found many new bands at all that I like. Usually I can't get into the singer.
I do like Pain of Salvation but their past couple of releases have not been very good.
Glad to hear Fates Warning is putting out a new CD sometime.
I also like bands like Testament (the non death metal albums), Tesla, OSI, Savatage (mainly with Zak Stevens as the vocalist) but am having trouble finding new bands to listen to
Hey, nothing wrong with being selective. You like what you like, and that's cool. Good taste as far as most of the band's listed. :tup If you are looking to perhaps get into some new bands, you might want to start a thread in the General Music Discussion section listing what bands you like and what you like about them, and asking others to make recommendations.
Cool, Thanks. I might try reading some of the threads for suggestions.
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I'm a bit surprised promotional copies have been passed out already. Nevertheless, melodic and heavy makes me very happy.
Would releasing a promotional copy be a bit risky? Depending on how many copies and how many folks listened, would a leak be a real possibility? Just surpising to release the whole cd this early.
By the way: :metal
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Usually critics wouldn't leak the album to risk their integrity. If they got caught RoadRunner would most likely cut them off from getting promos.
But yes, the more copies around, the more people with access, etc etc obviously means the more likely it is for the album to leak.
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For me I get most excited about Dream Theater, Megadeth, and Iron Maiden releases.
I haven't found many new bands at all that I like. Usually I can't get into the singer.
I do like Pain of Salvation but their past couple of releases have not been very good.
Glad to hear Fates Warning is putting out a new CD sometime.
I also like bands like Testament (the non death metal albums), Tesla, OSI, Savatage (mainly with Zak Stevens as the vocalist) but am having trouble finding new bands to listen to
There are lots of great and unique new bands, but maybe you'll have to look a bit outside of the typical "prog metal" or whatever range.
As bosk already said, you could visit the General Music Discussion section for some suggestions.
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For me I get most excited about Dream Theater, Megadeth, and Iron Maiden releases.
I haven't found many new bands at all that I like. Usually I can't get into the singer.
I do like Pain of Salvation but their past couple of releases have not been very good.
Glad to hear Fates Warning is putting out a new CD sometime.
I also like bands like Testament (the non death metal albums), Tesla, OSI, Savatage (mainly with Zak Stevens as the vocalist) but am having trouble finding new bands to listen to
Hey, nothing wrong with being selective. You like what you like, and that's cool. Good taste as far as most of the band's listed. :tup If you are looking to perhaps get into some new bands, you might want to start a thread in the General Music Discussion section listing what bands you like and what you like about them, and asking others to make recommendations.
Cool, Thanks. I might try reading some of the threads for suggestions.
No problem.
Your list also got me thinking that we really need a Tesla thread. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38102.0
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I DONT KNOW WHAT I WANT
But no one can take that away.
:TAC:
Stop that, he's only 17.
But I bet he's been Baptized by Fire on the way to No Man's Land while petting his Junkyard Dog.
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I'm a bit surprised promotional copies have been passed out already. Nevertheless, melodic and heavy makes me very happy.
Would releasing a promotional copy be a bit risky? Depending on how many copies and how many folks listened, would a leak be a real possibility? Just surpising to release the whole cd this early.
By the way: :metal
There's nothing wrong with leaks, I'd download the album ASAP but buy it later ;)
If you listen to it now it won't sound worse than on release day!
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Me too! I always download DT albums prior to release date but I always support them by purchasing the álbum. Here in Spain music is not expensive at all (15 euros aprox= about 13-14 dollars).
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Physical copies are usually expensive in Brazil, BUT, I have bought ALL of the DT albums that I have downloaded once a pre-order appeared. Won't be different this time ;)
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2013 has been and will be an excellent year for new releases: Riverside, Niacin, Deep Purple, Spock's Beard, Donati solo album...but nothing can touch the triple dosage of DT (album, dvd, book) I'm about to get this fall. Just thinking about it makes my head spin. :omg:
man, with this you (and spotify) helped me rediscover riverside.. It's a nice album for sure. I guess it's gonna keep me busy for a couple of weeks. Thank You.
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Seriously guys, it's not that fucking hard to follow the rules.
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Seriously guys, it's not that fucking hard to follow the rules.
Are you talking about mentioning leaks or going off-topic? If you mean the former, I apologize.
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Seriously guys, it's not that fucking hard to follow the rules.
Are you talking about mentioning leaks or going off-topic? If you mean the former, I apologize.
I'm talking about mentioning leaks. The mods have been over this many many times in this thread alone. It just seems rude to blatantly ignore the rules like that. Come one guys.
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I'm so excited that the album is supposedly heavier. I just hope the heaviness is paired with more interesting song structures (e.g. TGP vs BMU/BMD). Not saying BMU/BMD is a bad song, but I really like when DT uses more interesting song structures.
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2013 has been and will be an excellent year for new releases: Riverside, Niacin, Deep Purple, Spock's Beard, Donati solo album...but nothing can touch the triple dosage of DT (album, dvd, book) I'm about to get this fall. Just thinking about it makes my head spin. :omg:
man, with this you (and spotify) helped me rediscover riverside.. It's a nice album for sure. I guess it's gonna keep me busy for a couple of weeks. Thank You.
Hehe, I'm really glad to hear. The opening track and Escalator Shrine clicked especially well with me. I also saw them live couple of months ago, it was special.
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Seriously guys, it's not that fucking hard to follow the rules.
Are you talking about mentioning leaks or going off-topic? If you mean the former, I apologize.
I'm talking about mentioning leaks. The mods have been over this many many times in this thread alone. It just seems rude to blatantly ignore the rules like that. Come one guys.
Ah, I get it. I didn't mean to be rude. I just interpreted the rule as being that I wasn't allowed to discuss once the album was leaked, instead of discussing about the possibility. Should've read the rules more carefully, sorry :blush
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Is it not possible that the magazine were invited to RR's offices for a 'listening party', so to speak? As has been said, I'd be surprised if promo discs had already been distributed.
Regarding what Classic Prog said, it doesn't really tell us much - it could describe any DT album really. I do hope, however, that 'melodic' means something like SFAM, in which there are catchy vocal hooks and even catchy instrumental licks. And it sounds like MM really has gone nuts on this album.
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...snip... Here in Spain music is not expensive at all (15 euros aprox= about 13-14 dollars).
Your math is weird.
1 euro = 1.3 $.
hence, 15 euro would be almost 20 $.
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anyone speaking Indonesian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ8ltlcGG_Q
(wow good-looking tv presenter talking about DT....it's pretty weird ;D)
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Wow, I wonder if that review has any new information. Shiat, where are the Indonesian DT fans over here?
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...snip... Here in Spain music is not expensive at all (15 euros aprox= about 13-14 dollars).
Your math is weird.
1 euro = 1.3 $.
hence, 15 euro would be almost 20 $.
$20 for a CD is pretty high in the states, depending on where you live and where you shop. Usually $13-14 is more the norm where I'm from.
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anyone speaking Indonesian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ8ltlcGG_Q
(wow good-looking tv presenter talking about DT....it's pretty weird ;D)
Yeah.......he is pretty hot isn't he?
(Just joking.....I know you were talking about the lady)
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Wow, I wonder if that review has any new information. Shiat, where are the Indonesian DT fans over here?
They're waiting for Mike Portnoy, drum god, to come back to their country, pls.
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But I bet he's been Baptized by Fire on the way to No Man's Land while petting his Junkyard Dog.
RIP
(https://smackdown.neoseeker.com/w/i/smackdown/thumb/2/25/Junkyard_Dog.jpg/150px-Junkyard_Dog.jpg)
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anyone speaking Indonesian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ8ltlcGG_Q
(wow good-looking tv presenter talking about DT....it's pretty weird ;D)
The title in google translate says "Dream Theater will release new album" So it might not be a review, just general news.
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This is kind of picky, but was anyone else a bit disappointed that Prog Magazine's little review wasn't somtehing along the lines of "Dream Theater has released the best material they have since Images; this album is game-changing; the band is reahcing in new directions, etc."? Considering all the hype DT themselves are building around this release, it sounds like it's got to be pretty damn good. The review gave me a feeling of just another typical DT album :-\
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This is kind of picky, but was anyone else a bit disappointed that Prog Magazine's little review wasn't somtehing along the lines of "Dream Theater has released the best material they have since Images; this album is game-changing; the band is reahcing in new directions, etc."? Considering all the hype DT themselves are building around this release, it sounds like it's got to be pretty damn good. The review gave me a feeling of just another typical DT album :-\
Wouldn't this imply the album is pretty damn good? :biggrin:
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This is kind of picky, but was anyone else a bit disappointed that Prog Magazine's little review wasn't somtehing along the lines of "Dream Theater has released the best material they have since Images; this album is game-changing; the band is reahcing in new directions, etc."? Considering all the hype DT themselves are building around this release, it sounds like it's got to be pretty damn good. The review gave me a feeling of just another typical DT album :-\
I get what you are saying but who knows the musical tastes of the person writing the review. Just because you know of DT and are in a position to get an early taste, doesn't mean you are a diehard like most of us. I would expect as more reviewers get a promo copy, we will see some of that type analysis.
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This is kind of picky, but was anyone else a bit disappointed that Prog Magazine's little review wasn't somtehing along the lines of "Dream Theater has released the best material they have since Images; this album is game-changing; the band is reahcing in new directions, etc."? Considering all the hype DT themselves are building around this release, it sounds like it's got to be pretty damn good. The review gave me a feeling of just another typical DT album :-\
Wouldn't this imply the album is pretty damn good? :biggrin:
Not to say that there's anything at all wrong with another typical DT album, but all the things the band has been saying about the album (I know they talk up every album before release, but I feel like they're especially excited for this one) make me feel like it should be some sort of Dream Theater milestone. I love everything DT makes with few exceptions, but I want to hear them explore new territory.
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Honestly I don't think it's going to happen. There will be differences, new facets due to the inception of MM into the songwriting process and the particular approach of this record, but it's going to sound like a Dream Theater album.
I don't expect them to go through a skin shedding event like Opeth did with Heritage or POS with Road Salt, just to name two examples, it's pretty clear at this point that we will hear "Dream Theater at its maximum", not "Dream Theater as you have never heard it before".
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This is kind of picky, but was anyone else a bit disappointed that Prog Magazine's little review wasn't somtehing along the lines of "Dream Theater has released the best material they have since Images; this album is game-changing; the band is reahcing in new directions, etc."? Considering all the hype DT themselves are building around this release, it sounds like it's got to be pretty damn good. The review gave me a feeling of just another typical DT album :-\
Considering the comment about "the bands detractors" we might be able to assume that the person making the comment isn't the biggest fan of Dream Theater.
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(wow good-looking tv presenter talking about DT....it's pretty weird ;D)
Like hot chicks can't be into Dream Theater ???
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Hot chicks love Progressive Metal... :'(
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Maybe it's "chicks that love progressive metal are hot!"
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This is kind of picky, but was anyone else a bit disappointed that Prog Magazine's little review wasn't somtehing along the lines of "Dream Theater has released the best material they have since Images; this album is game-changing; the band is reahcing in new directions, etc."? Considering all the hype DT themselves are building around this release, it sounds like it's got to be pretty damn good. The review gave me a feeling of just another typical DT album :-\
No, because bands that have done "game changers" at least once, like DT, rarely do them twice. That's an insane expectation. Also because I just don't expect a band to do so toward the later half of their career anyway.
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Kinda funny how they switched from the Another Day vid to the new studio vids, with AD still playing.
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This is kind of picky, but was anyone else a bit disappointed that Prog Magazine's little review wasn't somtehing along the lines of "Dream Theater has released the best material they have since Images; this album is game-changing; the band is reahcing in new directions, etc."? Considering all the hype DT themselves are building around this release, it sounds like it's got to be pretty damn good. The review gave me a feeling of just another typical DT album :-\
Wouldn't this imply the album is pretty damn good? :biggrin:
Not to say that there's anything at all wrong with another typical DT album, but all the things the band has been saying about the album (I know they talk up every album before release, but I feel like they're especially excited for this one) make me feel like it should be some sort of Dream Theater milestone. I love everything DT makes with few exceptions, but I want to hear them explore new territory.
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about when you say the band is hyping this album more than usual. This is pretty much exactly how they have hyped other albums. Judging from a handful of posts, a handful of fans (i.e., not the band) for some reason have read too much into the fact that it is self-titled and have used that to hype themselves up. But I haven't seen anything out of the norm from DT.
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Judging from a handful of posts, a handful of fans (i.e., not the band) for some reason have read too much into the fact that it is self-titled and have used that to hype themselves up. But I haven't seen anything out of the norm from DT.
Well, in fairness, a self-titled album is a statement the band have never made before. What that statement means is open to interpretation, of course, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that it's a very confident statement, whatever it's saying.
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The RR podcast hyped me up a lot, with them saying "These are the best songs the band has ever written" and the band themselves saying this is their finest work, I'm expecting a little more than an average DT album this time.
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Judging from a handful of posts, a handful of fans (i.e., not the band) for some reason have read too much into the fact that it is self-titled and have used that to hype themselves up. But I haven't seen anything out of the norm from DT.
Well, in fairness, a self-titled album is a statement the band have never made before. What that statement means is open to interpretation, of course, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that it's a very confident statement, whatever it's saying.
Not only the title, but they've also mentioned how this album is cohesive, containing all of the "aspects they are known for". I don't know if this can be called hyping, but it's a pretty interesting thing to say at least. Petrucci also said on the first video that he feels this is the band's strongest effort, but then again, bands say that 99 percent of the time :D
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The RR podcast hyped me up a lot, with them saying "These are the best songs the band has ever written" and the band themselves saying this is their finest work, I'm expecting a little more than an average DT album this time.
Luckily, the average DT album is pretty good (considering that WDADU and Systematic Chaos are quite below average, for example)
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Judging from a handful of posts, a handful of fans (i.e., not the band) for some reason have read too much into the fact that it is self-titled and have used that to hype themselves up. But I haven't seen anything out of the norm from DT.
Well, in fairness, a self-titled album is a statement the band have never made before. What that statement means is open to interpretation, of course, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that it's a very confident statement, whatever it's saying.
Not only the title, but they've also mentioned how this album is cohesive, containing all of the "aspects they are known for".
Yeah, but I'm kind of with bosk on that part - they say that stuff every album, don't they? Pretty sure I read something like that about ADTOE, and I know BC&SL was supposed to be ACOS, 8VM, and LTL on one album or something like that.
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anyone speaking Indonesian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ8ltlcGG_Q
(wow good-looking tv presenter talking about DT....it's pretty weird ;D)
She's saying "MP DURM GOOD DREAM THEATD DREMA TEAM AWESOME.....KONSERT SOON.....IDONESIA PLS..........WE WAIT...........MP ...."
Courtesy of google translate.
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:lol
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I really suggest you to search 'Dream Theater new album riff 2' on youtube............mindblowing!!!!!!
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I really suggest you to search 'Dream Theater new album riff 2' on youtube............mindblowing!!!!!!
If you're referring to the videos I think you are, those have been confirmed fake.
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Dudes, don't talk about leaks here, even if they probably are fake.
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I think he's talking about the new arrangement of that riff DTF transcribed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUnYo6r2S-s
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If you're referring to the videos I think you are, those have been confirmed fake.
absolutely not, it shows a guy playing keyboards taken from the famous MIDI ;) the fun thing is that he added drums and guitars to the part and the result is great!
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I think he's talking about the new arrangement of that riff DTF transcribed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUnYo6r2S-s
Oh wow, that's actually pretty cool. Nice find!
Thought you meant the guitar only tracks that were floating around a while ago.
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I think he's talking about the new arrangement of that riff DTF transcribed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUnYo6r2S-s
Oh, okay.
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how were the guitar tracks confirmed fake? I mean from listening to them once I felt that they were fake (uninspired, cliche riffing...) and the guys story isn't convincing at all. Did DT confirm they were fake?
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Yes. Both Petrucci and Richard Chycki told people they were fake.
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anyone speaking Indonesian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ8ltlcGG_Q
(wow good-looking tv presenter talking about DT....it's pretty weird ;D)
I'm Indonesian. There is nothing new on the video.
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The RR podcast hyped me up a lot, with them saying "These are the best songs the band has ever written" and the band themselves saying this is their finest work, I'm expecting a little more than an average DT album this time.
It's just that every band says that about every new album they release.
Don't get too hyped up, guys. I'm sure it will be a great album, but expecting the best thing ever is maybe a bit too much.
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To some it just may be the best thing ever and to others, not so much. The band, in fact, may feel this is their best music to date and a lot of people will probably agree and some won't. Personally, I enjoy the hype of a new DT release and its my prerogative to say to myself "This new album is going to be fucking awesome."
If I was standing in line for an hour for a brand new roller coaster that was supposedly hyped up to be the most thrilling ride ever, I'm going to be pretty friggin' pumped about it. If some guy behind me tells me "Hey man, don't get too excited. I'm sure it's going to be a good ride but don't get your hopes up thinking its the best ride ever." I'm going to think to myself, "Screw that, I'm getting more excited the closer I get to that seat on the ride."
Feel excited, neutral, pissed or whatever about the hype. Personally, I find all this positively entertaining.
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To some it just may be the best thing ever and to others, not so much. The band, in fact, may feel this is their best music to date and a lot of people will probably agree and some won't. Personally, I enjoy the hype of a new DT release and its my prerogative to say to myself "This new album is going to be fucking awesome."
If I was standing in line for an hour for a brand new roller coaster that was supposedly hyped up to be the most thrilling ride ever, I'm going to be pretty friggin' pumped about it. If some guy behind me tells me "Hey man, don't get too excited. I'm sure it's going to be a good ride but don't get your hopes up thinking its the best ride ever." I'm going to think to myself, "Screw that, I'm getting more excited the closer I get to that seat on the ride."
Feel excited, neutral, pissed or whatever about the hype. Personally, I find all this positively entertaining.
Amen, brother! :tup
I'm fuckin pumped. :metal
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To some it just may be the best thing ever and to others, not so much. The band, in fact, may feel this is their best music to date and a lot of people will probably agree and some won't. Personally, I enjoy the hype of a new DT release and its my prerogative to say to myself "This new album is going to be fucking awesome."
If I was standing in line for an hour for a brand new roller coaster that was supposedly hyped up to be the most thrilling ride ever, I'm going to be pretty friggin' pumped about it. If some guy behind me tells me "Hey man, don't get too excited. I'm sure it's going to be a good ride but don't get your hopes up thinking its the best ride ever." I'm going to think to myself, "Screw that, I'm getting more excited the closer I get to that seat on the ride."
Feel excited, neutral, pissed or whatever about the hype. Personally, I find all this positively entertaining.
Amen, brother! :tup
I'm fuckin pumped. :metal
Absolutely this ! :hefdaddy
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To some it just may be the best thing ever and to others, not so much. The band, in fact, may feel this is their best music to date and a lot of people will probably agree and some won't. Personally, I enjoy the hype of a new DT release and its my prerogative to say to myself "This new album is going to be fucking awesome."
If I was standing in line for an hour for a brand new roller coaster that was supposedly hyped up to be the most thrilling ride ever, I'm going to be pretty friggin' pumped about it. If some guy behind me tells me "Hey man, don't get too excited. I'm sure it's going to be a good ride but don't get your hopes up thinking its the best ride ever." I'm going to think to myself, "Screw that, I'm getting more excited the closer I get to that seat on the ride."
Feel excited, neutral, pissed or whatever about the hype. Personally, I find all this positively entertaining.
Amen, brother! :tup
I'm fuckin pumped. :metal
Absolutely this ! :hefdaddy
+1000000
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I think he's talking about the new arrangement of that riff DTF transcribed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUnYo6r2S-s
Oh wow, that's actually pretty cool. Nice find!
Thought you meant the guitar only tracks that were floating around a while ago.
This melody from 0:16 to 0:27, I'm sure I heared this before, I just cannot remember where, but it is pretty familiar to me, in a movie or something...
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This is kind of picky, but was anyone else a bit disappointed that Prog Magazine's little review wasn't somtehing along the lines of "Dream Theater has released the best material they have since Images; this album is game-changing; the band is reahcing in new directions, etc."? Considering all the hype DT themselves are building around this release, it sounds like it's got to be pretty damn good. The review gave me a feeling of just another typical DT album :-\
I remember both SFAM and SDOIT got lukewarm reviews in some of the online magazines that I read, so I wouldn't worry about it. ADTOE was widely received among them like "more of the same, MP's departure didn't really change much" while many of us thought it was a significant step in a new direction. For the reviewer, it could be just another album out of tens of dozens he needs to get through this year.
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This is kind of picky, but was anyone else a bit disappointed that Prog Magazine's little review wasn't somtehing along the lines of "Dream Theater has released the best material they have since Images; this album is game-changing; the band is reahcing in new directions, etc."? Considering all the hype DT themselves are building around this release, it sounds like it's got to be pretty damn good. The review gave me a feeling of just another typical DT album :-\
I remember both SFAM and SDOIT got lukewarm reviews in some of the online magazines that I read, so I wouldn't worry about it. ADTOE was widely received among them like "more of the same, MP's departure didn't really change much" while many of us thought it was a significant step in a new direction. For the reviewer, it could be just another album out of tens of dozens he needs to get through this year.
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I'm watching Chaos in progress and I'm just wondering if OTE has filmed the entire sessions for DT12...I really hope the DVD will contain something like that
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I'm watching Chaos in progress and I'm just wondering if OTE has filmed the entire sessions for DT12...I really hope the DVD will contain something like that
Well, I would believe so! Hopefully they didn't hire the crew for just that documentary!
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I'm watching Chaos in progress and I'm just wondering if OTE has filmed the entire sessions for DT12...I really hope the DVD will contain something like that
Well, I would believe so! Hopefully they didn't hire the crew for just that documentary!
Unlikely but multi-angle in studio for Illumination Theory would be cool.
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I would sooner have a documentary about the making of the song, with all the behind the scenes related to it then a performance.
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I would sooner have a documentary about the making of the song, with all the behind the scenes related to it then a performance.
Why not both? ;)
And fun moments as in Chaos in Progress...
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too bad we haven't any kind of info about that yet....maybe we'll have SOON...
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It's just that every band says that about every new album they release.
I don't see what's the problem with that.
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well, I can't remember them saying 'this our STRONGEST work to date'...they've always told about how good the album is, but they've never made such a clear statement, If I remember correctly
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well, I can't remember them saying 'this our STRONGEST work to date'...they've always told about how good the album is, but they've never made such a clear statement like that, If I remember correctly
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At least one of the memebers always says this is their best album to date after the recording sessions. The only real difference this time is that they feel strongly enough this time to make it their self-titled album.
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I'm new to the forum, but have been following this thread for a while.
I was thinking, why wouldn't the members say that the album is their best work to date? When they made Scenes From a Memory, that was the kind of music they felt like making at that time in their lives, and it probably felt the best. DT12 is the kind of music they enjoy today, and to them it will feel like the best. These are just my thoughts.
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That little "review" by the snobbish prog mag guy didn't even mention 2 of the most important things, namely the quality of the production and vocals. :tdwn I realize it's not supposed to be an official review, but how lazy can you be?
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That little "review" by the snobbish prog mag guy didn't even mention 2 of the most important things, namely the quality of the production and vocals. :tdwn I realize it's not supposed to be an official review, but how lazy can you be?
Oh for God's sake, it wasn't even in the guy's main post. It was a response comment they made afterward. Cut 'em some slack~ :lol
However I would agree that it'd be lazy of them not to comment on production and/or vocals whenever they actually do put out their official review for the album. :tup
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That little "review" by the snobbish prog mag guy didn't even mention 2 of the most important things, namely the quality of the production and vocals. :tdwn I realize it's not supposed to be an official review, but how lazy can you be?
Hey but you're not angry are you
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It's just that every band says that about every new album they release.
I don't see what's the problem with that.
Not all of these albums are as strong as the band(s) claim they are.
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It's just that every band says that about every new album they release.
I don't see what's the problem with that.
Not all of these albums are as strong as the band(s) claim they are.
Of course not, but what should a band say otherwise? It's purely a marketing strategy and every band does this. Would be people be interested if Apple announced their next iPhone as being 'not as powerful as the last one and it will have less features'? Same thing goes for any band. Imagine Dream Theater stating 'well, this album is quite alright, but I guess we've done better things in the past'. Just doesn't work. Marketing, marketing, marketing. Look at advertisements of random products if you don't believe me. And yes, Dream Theater is a business, as well as a band. The music industry is a business and they want to make big money out of this new release, so of course they're going to say it's 'their best ever'.
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Hey guys! New to the forum here (though I've been following it for quite a while now)
I don't think anyone posted this, but ClassicRockProg wrote a follower from its previous "comment review":
ClassicRockProg @ProgMagazineUK 18 Jul
People want our reaction to the new Dream Theater: different to DTOE. Heavier, more melodic, proggier. Some great time changes. Thumbs up!
PS: DTOE (lol)
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Who cares what the band says in statements like this? We all know that they are going to say it and should all know it's rather meaningless. I look for and enjoy bands talking about the instrumentation of albums, the sound of them, the direction musically, and that sort of thing. Stuff that at least matters. Marketing (even sincere as the case usually is with bands) is just that, and I know enough to just filter it out, and I'd suggest the same for anyone who even bothers getting worked up over it.
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Not sure if that was directed at me, but I'm definitely looking through that. I'm more of the suspicious type; hear it first, make up my own mind about it and then believe it. Doesn't mean I would be less excited about the new album, so basically I agree with everything you said.
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Who cares what the band says in statements like this? We all know that they are going to say it and should all know it's rather meaningless. I look for and enjoy bands talking about the instrumentation of albums, the sound of them, the direction musically, and that sort of thing. Stuff that at least matters. Marketing (even sincere as the case usually is with bands) is just that, and I know enough to just filter it out, and I'd suggest the same for anyone who even bothers getting worked up over it.
Or you can just judge for yourself by buying their product.
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Who cares what the band says in statements like this? We all know that they are going to say it and should all know it's rather meaningless. I look for and enjoy bands talking about the instrumentation of albums, the sound of them, the direction musically, and that sort of thing. Stuff that at least matters. Marketing (even sincere as the case usually is with bands) is just that, and I know enough to just filter it out, and I'd suggest the same for anyone who even bothers getting worked up over it.
Or you can just judge for yourself by buying their product.
Can you please connect the dots on how in the world your statement relates to mine?
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That little "review" by the snobbish prog mag guy didn't even mention 2 of the most important things, namely the quality of the production and vocals. :tdwn I realize it's not supposed to be an official review, but how lazy can you be?
Think about this. Last night I was going through my DT CDs and noticed something. I'm sure this hasn't escaped notice, but on ADTOE the sound engineer was Paul Northfeild, the same guy who did the previous two RR releases. But the vocals were recorded separately and engineered by Rich Chycki.
I'm sure that's not news or anything, but I'm wondering what it says that they chose to go with Rich Chycki for the entire new album? Personally I think the vocals on ADTOE sound just fine. They sound clean, evenly distributed throughout the recording. So I imagine the new album is going to sound a lot crisper. Of course the hope is that nothing gets left behind in the final mix (drums, bass) but with the band saying they've gone in a new sonic direction with this release, I feel pretty good about it sounding right. :tup
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Who cares what the band says in statements like this? We all know that they are going to say it and should all know it's rather meaningless. I look for and enjoy bands talking about the instrumentation of albums, the sound of them, the direction musically, and that sort of thing. Stuff that at least matters. Marketing (even sincere as the case usually is with bands) is just that, and I know enough to just filter it out, and I'd suggest the same for anyone who even bothers getting worked up over it.
Or you can just judge for yourself by buying their product.
Can you please connect the dots on how in the world your statement relates to mine?
By us knowing what the band says is meaningless, and marketing, and getting worked up over it.
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Who cares what the band says in statements like this? We all know that they are going to say it and should all know it's rather meaningless. I look for and enjoy bands talking about the instrumentation of albums, the sound of them, the direction musically, and that sort of thing. Stuff that at least matters. Marketing (even sincere as the case usually is with bands) is just that, and I know enough to just filter it out, and I'd suggest the same for anyone who even bothers getting worked up over it.
Or you can just judge for yourself by buying their product.
Can you please connect the dots on how in the world your statement relates to mine?
Buy the new album to see if it actually is their strongest, and what they're saying is not just marketing
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Of course not, but what should a band say otherwise? It's purely a marketing strategy and every band does this. Would be people be interested if Apple announced their next iPhone as being 'not as powerful as the last one and it will have less features'? Same thing goes for any band. Imagine Dream Theater stating 'well, this album is quite alright, but I guess we've done better things in the past'. Just doesn't work. Marketing, marketing, marketing. Look at advertisements of random products if you don't believe me. And yes, Dream Theater is a business, as well as a band. The music industry is a business and they want to make big money out of this new release, so of course they're going to say it's 'their best ever'.
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You're right that the band always says this and it's a marketing thing, but the correlation isn't as strong as you describe. Apple says the new iPhone is stronger than the last one because it is stronger than the last one in a quantitative way. That's not true of the newest DT album. Moreover, although DT is hoping to make money off the new album and may enjoy hyping it up for that reason, you have to admit that they're not just soulless corporate robots who only do things that will make a profit. The music on the new album obviously has personal significance to all of the band members who have spoken about it.
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Who cares what the band says in statements like this? We all know that they are going to say it and should all know it's rather meaningless. I look for and enjoy bands talking about the instrumentation of albums, the sound of them, the direction musically, and that sort of thing. Stuff that at least matters. Marketing (even sincere as the case usually is with bands) is just that, and I know enough to just filter it out, and I'd suggest the same for anyone who even bothers getting worked up over it.
Or you can just judge for yourself by buying their product.
Can you please connect the dots on how in the world your statement relates to mine?
Buy the new album to see if it actually is their strongest, and what they're saying is not just marketing
If the media would ask the band how strong their new album is, what other answer could they possible say other than it's their strongest album yet?
All bands are proud of their latest release even if the results may not be what they hoped for, besides they would never say if their unhappy with anything in the production anyway, not before a release. That would go against any form of rule within marketing. :lol
So if a band is saying something in the line of "it's their strongest release yet" it's for the most part a good thing because that means that they at the very least have a product they don't mind let go into print...but if the band at anytime in the future say something diffrent I would start getting worried. ;D
So what Nick means is that there are certain areas like production, musical direction, instrumentation and so forth that are not affected by any marketing strategy. Those areas are there whether or not the album is any good or not.
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Who cares what the band says in statements like this? We all know that they are going to say it and should all know it's rather meaningless. I look for and enjoy bands talking about the instrumentation of albums, the sound of them, the direction musically, and that sort of thing. Stuff that at least matters. Marketing (even sincere as the case usually is with bands) is just that, and I know enough to just filter it out, and I'd suggest the same for anyone who even bothers getting worked up over it.
Or you can just judge for yourself by buying their product.
Can you please connect the dots on how in the world your statement relates to mine?
Buy the new album to see if it actually is their strongest, and what they're saying is not just marketing
If the media would ask the band how strong their new album is, what other answer could they possible say other than it's their strongest album yet?
All bands are proud of their latest release even if the results may not be what they hoped for, besides they would never say if their unhappy with anything in the production anyway, not before a release. That would go against any form of rule within marketing. :lol
So if a band is saying something in the line of "it's their strongest release yet" it's for the most part a good thing because that means that they at the very least have a product they don't mind let go into print...but if the band at anytime in the future say something diffrent I would start getting worried. ;D
So what Nick means is that there are certain areas like production, musical direction, instrumentation and so forth that are not affected by any marketing strategy. Those areas are there whether or not the album is any good or not.
In every "making of..." documentary by DT, I've heard the phrases: "it's our strongest record to date" or "we're incredibly proud of this record." That's natural. They'd just spent half a year or so in the studio. Of course they're going to say something positive about their new release, it's like a new child to them. No mother is going to say of her newborn child, "I just spent 9 months carrying this child inside of me. I could have done better." What I've heard said about this record is that "....it's our strongest work to date...." which is typical marketing. But... "It's our most, kinda, cohesive and broadest expression of our different styles and our sound." That's more than just marketing. That's telling us what to expect. I guess my point is that the band is telling us that this record is definitely different than what they've put out before.
To me, all of this is a good thing. I know it all boils down to marketing. That's a given. Its my choice to believe it or not. Until I listen to the record and come to my own conclusions, I don't see any reason why I shouldn't believe what the band and their engineer tell me.
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What really got me excited was the artwork and the song titles, plus the reveal of it being self-titled. The studio vids are great at what we got so far, while possibly being a hint at the in studio dvd.
I think we'll get a single once they show all the vids, with the pre-order info.
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That little "review" by the snobbish prog mag guy didn't even mention 2 of the most important things, namely the quality of the production and vocals. :tdwn I realize it's not supposed to be an official review, but how lazy can you be?
I can't work out if this is serious. That wasn't the magazine's review, that will come when the magazine issue is released. That was just some brief initial thoughts to get people excited, and frankly it's great that they did that as it got us talking, and they had no obligation whatsoever to do it. I also don't understand why the production and vocals are the "most important things". ???
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Was on the Roadrunner site and got pumped when i saw the the DT album was up for purchase. It's not.....more waiting for the pre-sale..... :facepalm:
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I thought the wee minni review was great positive and concise thanks prog mag dude!!
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But... "It's our most, kinda, cohesive and broadest expression of our different styles and our sound." That's more than just marketing.
Pretty sure they said that about SC as well.
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Where can this review be found?
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I had a dream that it was Monday September 24th ( or whatever day it is - it will be out on the Monday in the UK )
And I remembered that Dream Theater was out so I reminded myself to listen to it on Spotify on my Phone.
Then the dream ended. :lol
I was all excited too.
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I had a dream that it was Monday September 24th ( or whatever day it is - it will be out on the Monday in the UK )
And I remembered that Dream Theater was out so I reminded myself to listen to it on Spotify on my Phone.
Then the dream ended. :lol
I was all excited too.
I had a dream a couple of weeks ago that the tracklist was released, and I'm almost certain Enigma Machine was in the dream. Strange, as I don't think it was deja-vu
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If that dreams are leaks I'm not sure if it's ok to discuss them :biggrin:
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Well in my dream I heard no music because I never got around to listening to it.
I just jumped forward in time to Monday September 23.
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But... "It's our most, kinda, cohesive and broadest expression of our different styles and our sound." That's more than just marketing.
Pretty sure they said that about SC as well.
Watched the making of SC last night. JLB said that it was "the most fun I've had in the studio since awake."
And yes overall they were saying very similar things. And it looked like they had a lot of fun while recording, but they didn't look as excited about the music. They definitely seem more energized in the new in studio vids.
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I see no difference in excitement about the music itself in these studio video and the making of SC.
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I do. I never noticed them ever expressing excitement over the actual music in SC, just that they were having a great time recording it. The impression I got was more along the lines of, we don't really have any direction for this album, we're just going to put a bunch of heavy progressive songs together and have fun with them. With DT12, it looks like they're really excited about the new music, the new found energy in the band, and firmly believe that this album represents them.
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I thought the wee minni review was great positive and concise thanks prog mag dude!!
Oh please. DT is a Melodic Prog Metal band and he said the new album was melodic, proggy, and metal. Great insight. ::)
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I do. I never noticed them ever expressing excitement over the actual music in SC, just that they were having a great time recording it. The impression I got was more along the lines of, we don't really have any direction for this album, we're just going to put a bunch of heavy progressive songs together and have fun with them. With DT12, it looks like they're really excited about the new music, the new found energy in the band, and firmly believe that this album represents them.
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I thought the wee minni review was great positive and concise thanks prog mag dude!!
Oh please. DT is a Melodic Prog Metal band and he said the new album was melodic, proggy, and metal. Great insight. ::)
Personally I thought that was the point lol. I thought they were trying to be jokey about it.
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Apparently everyone has a vast knowledge of reviewing and journalism on this forum. No offense but some of the responses based on a facebook comment are downright silly.
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I often agree with members of DT when they describe one of their album. In 'I walk beside the band' JP talks about exploring different areas of their style in the last 2 albums (heaviness/dark side in ToT, melodic with influence from U2, Coldplay, Muse ecc. in Octavarium). MP in CiP referring to SC told about the return of prog/epic elements in most songs with an aggressive approach. They have always been conscious of the direction after they sit down and start writing new material, and consequently the kind of music/bands from which taking inspiration.
In this sense, when they decide to focus on the elements that make them unique (epic, intense, atmospheric, cinematic), I'm expecting something great 'cause I love exactly that side of DT and I'm pretty sure the music will reflect this description (at least Illumination Theory as far as we know;D).
everything I said is rigorously imho :)
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If they don't believe this is their best effort, there's no sense in releasing the album. I assume that they really give all they have in each new record, and that's why we always hear from them things like "this is our best".
I'm not tired from hearing it, that just reminds me that the band is always trying to grow and improve...and I do believe it everytime I hear something new from DT.
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TL;DR : EVERY BAND SAYS THEIR NEWEST ALBUM IS THEIR BEST.
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The fact that it's self titled is a little bit more than a marketing scheme...
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I see no difference in excitement about the music itself in these studio video and the making of SC.
Likewise. I think we're trying to split hairs here, because basically-
TL;DR : EVERY BAND SAYS THEIR NEWEST ALBUM IS THEIR BEST.
That. Which is fine. Every band should feel that way about their latest album! It's not about lying or marketing though, it's because a band has just spent months writing and recording the music that represents where they are currently at, so it should be their idea of the perfect album. So the fact that it's self titled means nothing to me. It's just a name.
And coming from DT, it's entirely possible it is one of their best albums. What are the chances it's going to be a bad album, really?
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I would say remote. The biggest chance I see of the album somewhat failing is the Octavarium syndrome, but somehow I believe this album won't suffer from it. :tup
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Since you just made that up, what does that even mean?
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I would say remote. The biggest chance I see of the album somewhat failing is the Octavarium syndrome, but somehow I believe this album won't suffer from it. :tup
I always feel secured with DT because even SC did not disappoint me... Any syndrome would be fine :biggrin: unless it is a St Anger syndrome :lol
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Since you just made that up, what does that even mean?
Of course it's a very personal thing! I should have specified that the octavarium syndrome would have caused the album to fail for me, not generally of course, but when I'm on the iPad I try to limit the number of words I type, I quite dislike touch keyboards!
Anyway, as I said earlier, the presence of a huge epic in a single CD, especially if the epic came early in the songwriting process (which is not the case this time), may be detrimental in the overall pace of the album, and could create a feeling of being lesser satellites to a massive planet for the other songs, which is not a feeling I like getting from a musical records.
But as I said at the beginning, that's entirely me!
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For me Octavarium syndrome would be that DT release an album with only three great songs, one of their worst songs ever, some mediocre stuff and a huge epic that doesn't click with me yet gets worshipped by everyone else.
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If DT12 turns out to be somewhat similar to Octavarium, I'll be happy :D
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Since you just made that up, what does that even mean?
Of course it's a very personal thing! I should have specified that the octavarium syndrome would have caused the album to fail for me, not generally of course, but when I'm on the iPad I try to limit the number of words I type, I quite dislike touch keyboards!
Anyway, as I said earlier, the presence of a huge epic in a single CD, especially if the epic came early in the songwriting process (which is not the case this time), may be detrimental in the overall pace of the album, and could create a feeling of being lesser satellites to a massive planet for the other songs, which is not a feeling I like getting from a musical records.
But as I said at the beginning, that's entirely me!
That's fine, I just wasn't sure what attribute of the album you felt was its major weakness. Personally, I liked the combination of longer and shorter songs, as I really enjoy DT's shorter songs, (in this case TROAE/TW/PA).
For me the problem with Octavarium is that is was perhaps too diverse for its own good, with the weaker tracks not being good for DT, and the placement hurting the pace of the album, but overall I quite like the album overall.
Excluding WDADU, DT has yet to release an album that has truly disappointed me, even the ones I notoriously complain about, and I think now with MM as a fully integrated member, they can only get better. So I have a really good feeling about this one.
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If they don't believe this is their best effort, there's no sense in releasing the album.
Well, I wouldn't want the release cancelled just becuase they didn't feel like this is their best album ever, which it is unlikely to be.
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I thought the wee minni reviiew was great positive and concise thanks prog mag dude!!
Oh please. DT is a Melodic Prog Metal band and he said the new album was melodic, proggy, and metal. Great insight. ::)
Personally I thought that was the point lol. I thought they were trying to be jokey about it.
oh come on he didn't have to say anything at all and if he was extracting the Michael at least he wasn't unnecessarily grumpy unlike some people ;-)
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it seems that JP has called his new Di Marzio pick-ups 'Illuminator'.....I wonder why..... ;D
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it seems that JP has called his new Di Marzio pick-ups 'Illuminator'.....I wonder why..... ;D
I think I have a theory.........
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Built-in LEDs? :P
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Built-in LEDs? :P
Holy shit, built-in LEDs populated my university nightmares for the last week. Hearing of them so unexpectedly made me shiver :lol
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it seems that JP has called his new Di Marzio pick-ups 'Illuminator'.....I wonder why..... ;D
I think I have a theory.........
:neverusethis:
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So it seems now that pre orders are not going to start until August
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/358381893336563712
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... and the album will come out in March.
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Thus, Live at Luna Park will drop in May 2014 XD
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it seems that JP has called his new Di Marzio pick-ups 'Illuminator'.....I wonder why..... ;D
I think I have a theory.........
:lol
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... and the album will come out in March.
DON'T YOU EVEN SUGGEST SUCH THING
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... and the album will come out in March.
DON'T YOU EVEN SUGGEST SUCH THING
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ALBUM IN MARCH ? MY HEART IT BREAKS. WE WAIT FOR YOU INDONESIA MIKE PORNTOY DRUM GOD IN HISTORY. . SO ENERGY POWAH FOREVER
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Why do people still think that's funny?
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Why do people still think that's funny?
Some people do Blob. Why do you insist on being argumentative about every fucking thing ?
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Why do people still think that's funny?
Cause it is. Mike Portnoy is Drum God and needs come Indonesia my country pls.
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Why do people still think that's funny?
Some people do Blob. Why do you insist on being argumentative about every fucking thing ?
That kind of hostility wasn't really warranted. Coming from the guy who doesn't find anything in the post funny stuff thread funny, I thought you'd have a bit of a higher standard of humour than regurgitating worn out old memes.
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Why do people still think that's funny?
Some people do Blob. Why do you insist on being argumentative about every fucking thing ?
That kind of hostility wasn't really warranted. Coming from the guy who doesn't find anything in the post funny stuff thread funny, I thought you'd have a bit of a higher standard of humour than regurgitating worn out old memes.
It is old, but still gets a chuckle and for newer members it might not be old at all. Blob you do seem to be a bit negative at times and it seems you look for opportunities to "poke a stick in the cage" so to speak. Maybe that's the Aussie way but it seems you were being a bit provocative with your question. Why do you care what people find funny?
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Why do people still think that's funny?
Some people do Blob. Why do you insist on being argumentative about every fucking thing ?
That kind of hostility wasn't really warranted. Coming from the guy who doesn't find anything in the post funny stuff thread funny, I thought you'd have a bit of a higher standard of humour than regurgitating worn out old memes.
It is old, but still gets a chuckle and for newer members it might not be old at all. Blob you do seem to be a bit negative at times and it seems you look for opportunities to "poke a stick in the cage" so to speak. Maybe that's the Aussie way but it seems you were being a bit provocative with your question. Why do you care what people find funny?
Whoa, what's with the pile-on here?
I don't care what people find funny (or not funny...), but I do care when the discussion thread about the new album gets clogged with the same repetitive spam that the last one got locked for. And the hostility is still unwarranted.
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Why do people still think that's funny?
Some people do Blob. Why do you insist on being argumentative about every fucking thing ?
That kind of hostility wasn't really warranted. Coming from the guy who doesn't find anything in the post funny stuff thread funny, I thought you'd have a bit of a higher standard of humour than regurgitating worn out old memes.
It is old, but still gets a chuckle and for newer members it might not be old at all. Blob you do seem to be a bit negative at times and it seems you look for opportunities to "poke a stick in the cage" so to speak. Maybe that's the Aussie way but it seems you were being a bit provocative with your question. Why do you care what people find funny?
Whoa, what's with the pile-on here?
I don't care what people find funny (or not funny...), but I do care when the discussion thread about the new album gets clogged with the same repetitive spam that the last one got locked for. And the hostility is still unwarranted.
Ahh...if you had mentioned thread derail, I would have agreed. No worries... ;D
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In fairness Blob, it's mostly DarkLord who's been obsessed with the INDONESIA thing. This was the first time I've seen Kotow post it.
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I thought Kotowboy had done it a few more times, but maybe not. Regardless, I didn't intend my initial comment to be taken so strongly, so sorry for the tangent.
Kotowboy, one day we will get along.
Soon.......
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Mornin' kids! :corn
So about that new album....
Preorders start next month eh? That's not so bad. They'll probably start within the first week of August, to coincide with JLBs new release. That's still almost 2 months from the super awesome orgy of sound that is DT12.
That's good, right? I
Just trying to stay positive!
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"orgy of sound"......I like this !
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It's just that every band says that about every new album they release.
I don't see what's the problem with that.
Not all of these albums are as strong as the band(s) claim they are.
And yet, that's your opinion. If the band considers the album is their strongest yet, why should that bother you? Good luck in finding an artist who says "hmm...well, being honest I'd like to say that this new album isn't as great as our earlier efforts...but you should buy it nonetheless!".
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Only Noel Gallagher has done that but he's allowed because he's a hilarious guy anyway and tells it like it is.
He described Shoulder of Giants as " Having two shit songs on "
and Be Here Now as " Just the same old Pub Rock Bollocks . "
:lol
But yeah - bands pretty much say their newest album is the best.
If they're a "metal" band - they ALWAYS say it's their heaviest so far.
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We should all do a shot whenever someone gets in this thread get pissed about a comment, gets defensive about someone getting pissed, then (bless their heart) says some variation of "so, how about that new DT album?" It's fun to watch. :lol
As for me, I am honestly thinking that we are going to have a landmark DT Album, like SDOIT or SFAM were at the time of their releases. ADTOE was close, I think that the new chemistry will push them into greatness. ADTOE was addition by subtraction of all of the (to me) more stale elements, and this will add to that.
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So how about that new DT album ?
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anyone that wanna ask rrusa the release date of the single?? :P
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I believe I will do that;
Kotowboy : DTF's trusty don't-give-a-fuck guy :lol
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anyone that wanna ask rrusa the release date of the single?? :P
soon
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IT IS DONE. :hat
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soon
ahahah yeah I'm afraid this will be the answer :lol
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or something like "How does later today sound?" and everyone is like "YEAH, OMG!!" and then they go "Great! It'll be out next month!"
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IT IS DONE. :hat
:omg: Thats kinda demanding and entitled isn't it?
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Like I Said. I'm the forum's couldn't-care-less guy. :coolio
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Really guys? We're basically like this:
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Been away for 7 days and came back to 20 pages of pointless spam which I read to see if there was anything new....
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RR should be proud of the DT fan base, not embarrassed because we come across as too keen. We owe it to the band to be as vocal (in a positive way, of course) as we can be. Remember, at the end of the day DT is a product as far as RR is concerned. The more that product generates hype and publicity, the more money, respect and (crucially) promotion will be given to the band.
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QFT
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^ Pretty much.
It'll be out when it's out, not when you ask.
Enjoy what we've gotten. Song and album titles, cover art, two studio updates, and more updates coming! :metal
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All of RRs tweets are from SDCC this weekend. I would be surprised if we heard any news other than "soon...." before Monday.
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IT IS DONE. :hat
Um... the character's name is Wile E. Coyote.
jus sayin
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The forum seems a ton more impatient in the build-up to this album than to ADTOE.
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IT IS DONE. :hat
Um... the character's name is Wile E. Coyote.
jus sayin
:facepalm: It was a stupid joke ffs.
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IT IS DONE. :hat
Um... the character's name is Wile E. Coyote.
jus sayin
:rollin
Anyways... I doubt we'll see a single until the pre-orders come out, and if they're not out til August now, I'd say we get a single in the 2nd or 3rd week of August.
Also, this might be the first time since they've entered their Record/Release/Tour cycle where they haven't started a tour before an album's release date. Usually when they tour before the album's released, they play the new single, so they have a reason to release a single early on. With no tour until January, they may wait longer to release the single, closer to album's release time.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't release the first single until the end of August, one month before the album comes out.
-Marc.
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Better this way, IMO. This means we won't overplay the single before we get the album.
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Better this way, IMO. This means we won't overplay the single before we get the album.
I'm all for that !
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So it seems now that pre orders are not going to start until August
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/358381893336563712
Yet ANOTHER DT-related event this year not to occur on time. This is becoming a disturbing pattern. :angry:
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'On time'? Was there a scheduled date for preorders?
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RR initially said that preorders would start in July.
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Ah, okay. Thanks.
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It is possible that the pre-orders will start on July 31st. :neverusethis:
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A couple of months left. It will fly by guys :tup
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Does anyone know how many copies ADTOE sold?
I think this album increased DT's fan base... but I'm not sure.
Wonder if the self titled album will bring more people to the ship...
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The forum seems a ton more impatient in the build-up to this album than to ADTOE.
I think that's because DT (or atleast the forum) has been steadily growing in popularity over time.
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So it seems now that pre orders are not going to start until August
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/358381893336563712
Yet ANOTHER DT-related event this year not to occur on time. This is becoming a disturbing pattern. :angry:
MIKE PORNTOY WOULD NEVER HAVE LET THIS HAPPEN!!!!!!11
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So it seems now that pre orders are not going to start until August
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/358381893336563712
Yet ANOTHER DT-related event this year not to occur on time. This is becoming a disturbing pattern. :angry:
Wait what?.....when did a pre-order become an event?
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Seriously. It's not like they pushed back the release date or anything.
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The best thing that could happen with a pre order is you get it on release day.
The same day you can go and buy it yourself in a shop.
I don't pre -order anymore in case it's late and I don't get it on release day.
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The best thing that could happen with a pre order is you get it on release day.
Not true! I've received pre-orders ahead of release. I got Muse's The Resistance a full weekend before it was meant to be released, and I seem to recall a similarly lucky acquisition of James LaBrie's Elements of Persuasion.
That said, I do basically agree. A pre-order is essential on items you can expect to sell out quickly - games consoles are a big one - but rarely necessary in the music world. They're frankly more useful for the artists than the customers, cos they guarantee first-day sales - good for chart positions. Personally, though, I don't generally like to leave my listening experience at the mercy of the postal service. For every time an album's arrived early, there's another it's arrived late, and I'd have been better off going to the shops. Unless there are specific pre-order bonuses, I don't see the point, and I've long since given it up. I prefer the excitement of buying my music on the physical plane, anyway. Feels like more of a quest.
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they should offer the an instant download of the CD when you pre-order. they could do it the same as they do for the magazines, mark it so they can trace if anyone leaks it, and then we would get it sooner and they get alot more pre-orders. i for one thinks it sucks that a magazine writer who probably doesnt give a crap about DT gets to hear it 2 months before the paying customer.
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yea my BC&SL boxset came the friday before the release date. you can get lucky sometimes
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Speaking of boxsets, how much was the last one? I kinda wanted to know how much this would be a few months ahead of time, but since that's not going to happen I might as well ask here.
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So when an album goes on sale on a site like Amazon or iTunes we always get the 30 second samples right?
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I find it interesting that already, months in advance of release, there are at least 3 stand out tracks on this album.
1. Illumination Theory--the 20 minute epic (hopefully penned--at least in part--by JM)
2. False Awakening Suite--the epic opener, presumably symphonic in places, heavy and dark in others.
3. Enigma Machine--The long awaited instrumental
All of this is speculation of course; I could be completely off, but these 3 tracks are already huge in my mind. I can only hope they live up to what I imagine them to be when I hear the album for the first time.
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So when an album goes on sale on a site like Amazon or iTunes we always get the 30 second samples right?
Itunes is pretty reliable about giving samples of the songs when an album is released. Not sure about Amazon. Sometimes they give you samples, and sometimes I've seen albums where there aren't any samples, just the track listing.
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They initially said pre-orders would start July, now it's August.
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So when an album goes on sale on a site like Amazon or iTunes we always get the 30 second samples right?
Itunes is pretty reliable about giving samples of the songs when an album is released. Not sure about Amazon. Sometimes they give you samples, and sometimes I've seen albums where there aren't any samples, just the track listing.
In my recent experience with waiting for Amazon snippets, most of the time they were only put available very few weeks or even days before the actual release date. You know they are available when you search for the album name and among the results you see (MP3 Music, or MP3 Album or whatever). Also, you usually have better luck with the German amazon (not sure about the Japanese one), seeing that the albums get released earlier there. German Amazon sometimes put a link to some sort of "radio" in which you can listen to snippets.
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The forum seems a ton more impatient in the build-up to this album than to ADTOE.
And there`s so many reasons for that.
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Also regarding the snipets: It's best not to post links to snipets as soon as you see them, even if they are on legitimate sites like Amazon. The band doesn't directly okay that kind of thing, so they could count as links and get you banned. (Speaking from experience)
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So when an album goes on sale on a site like Amazon or iTunes we always get the 30 second samples right?
I remember when the pre orders for ADTOE were available on iTunes a few weeks before the album was released, there weren't any samples, but the track lengths were there.
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No ADTOE sample went out on amazon. It happened with some other japanese site, though.
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Also regarding the snipets: It's best not to post links to snipets as soon as you see them, even if they are on legitimate sites like Amazon. The band doesn't directly okay that kind of thing, so they could count as links and get you banned. (Speaking from experience)
Thank you, didn't know that.
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So it seems now that pre orders are not going to start until August
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/358381893336563712
Yet ANOTHER DT-related event this year not to occur on time. This is becoming a disturbing pattern. :angry:
Not occurring on time? Who sets the schedule? What they've done in the past is a pattern, not a schedule. If they SAID they would release something and didn't (like on the DVD) that's Disappointing. That's all.
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They initially said pre-orders would start July, now it's August.
Holy crap. It's not August for another week.
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So it seems now that pre orders are not going to start until August
https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/358381893336563712
Yet ANOTHER DT-related event this year not to occur on time. This is becoming a disturbing pattern. :angry:
MIKE PORNTOY WOULD NEVER HAVE LET THIS HAPPEN!!!!!!11
You're right. And he also would not let us have an album without death growls. I'll consider we came out ahead on the deal.
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they should offer the an instant download of the CD when you pre-order. they could do it the same as they do for the magazines, mark it so they can trace if anyone leaks it, and then we would get it sooner and they get alot more pre-orders. i for one thinks it sucks that a magazine writer who probably doesnt give a crap about DT gets to hear it 2 months before the paying customer.
He's a magazine writer, not a fan. There's a big difference. As far as marking an instant release goes so they can trace it. So what, the cat's out of the bag and even if they find out who leaked it, there's more damage done than it would be worth.
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Quadruple post :tdwn
You may try combining all those posts
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No ADTOE sample went out on amazon. It happened with some other japanese site, though.
I distinctly remember it being Japanese Amazon. (There were other foreign sites as well though)
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They initially said pre-orders would start July, now it's August.
Holy crap. It's not August for another week.
It's not August for another week, and four days.
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They should release a low quality demo version of one song now. So we could listen to new DT now and then it would blow our mind when the album version, mixed and mastered version comes with the CD.
Or another idea could be an acustic version...
Something else than snippets.
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They should release a low quality demo version of one song now. So we could listen to new DT now and then it would blow our mind when the album version, mixed and mastered version comes with the CD.
Or another idea could be an acustic version...
Something else than snippets.
Maybe a single?
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They should release a low quality demo version of one song now. So we could listen to new DT now and then it would blow our mind when the album version, mixed and mastered version comes with the CD.
Or another idea could be an acustic version...
Something else than snippets.
Maybe a single?
That's so crazy and out there that it might just work!
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I originally envisioned late July for the single, but we got there and there's none to be seen. I really hope we don't get one soon, the wait would kill me :-\
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I'm sure it will be sooner than later
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i expect to hear the sensitivity of 'through her eyes' ,the atmosphere of 'blind faith',the proggyness of 'breaking all illusions',the experimentation of 'misunderstood,the melodical element of 'the best of times' and the craziness of 'a change of seasons'.In a nutshell,i expect the best and i demand it from these guys.What about you dtfers?Which elements of previous songs do you expect or want this album to consist of?
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I want it to be something entirely new.
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I want it to be something entirely new.
Bluegrass with a classical/jazz vibe! :justjen :tup
Featuring a girl singer!!!
And bongos.
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What I really hope that DT will release is whatever they felt was really cool while they were making it.
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I originally envisioned late July for the single, but we got there and there's none to be seen. I really hope we don't get one soon, the wait would kill me :-\
Huh? It's still late July for another 10 days.
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I originally envisioned late July for the single, but we got there and there's none to be seen. I really hope we don't get one soon, the wait would kill me :-\
Huh? It's still late July for another 10 days.
The math is strong with this one..........
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What I really hope that DT will release is whatever they felt was really cool while they were making it.
Dito
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I assume they'll release something (snippet, single, ecc.) only after having showed us all the 'in studio' episodes.....but I'll be happy if they prove me wrong ;D
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I assume they'll release something (snippet, single, ect.) only after having showed us all of the 'in studio' episodes.....but I'll be happy if they prove me wrong. ;D
I agree with this.
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I think what DT could use is a lot more jazz elements in their music. They are all talented jazz players, but I think the only times they use prominent jazz is in their soloing. I'd love some songs that have a consistent jazzy vibe.
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I think what DT could use is a lot more jazz elements in their music. They are all talented jazz players, but I think the only times they use prominent jazz is in their soloing. I'd love some songs that have a consistent jazzy vibe.
yes, please! :) :tup
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I think what DT could use is a lot more jazz elements in their music. They are all talented jazz players, but I think the only times they use prominent jazz is in their soloing. I'd love some songs that have a consistent jazzy vibe.
This! The Trial of Tears solo is one of my favourites.
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DT are all talented jazz players.
Are they?
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Yea, they never seemed to take a huge interest in Jazz music. JP seems to be a bit into fusion, but that's it. Being a good improviser/soloist is different than being a "talented jazz player". Jazz is a completely different animal to what DT does.
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Yea, they never seemed to take a huge interest in Jazz music. JP seems to be a bit into fusion, but that's it. Being a good improviser/soloist is different than being a "talented jazz player". Jazz is a completely different animal to what DT does.
I don't really think that's the case. I could be wrong, but I feel like they are completely capable of writing jazz. LTE had a lot more jazz influence than DT ever has, and I'd be happy even with just that amount of jazz in their music.
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I remember reading many times that JP studied "some" jazz mostly just enough to be an all-around player and composer. I don't think any of the members is into it really. Of course they can write great jazzy parts, but that's just another thing they can do as accomplished musicians and nothing more I guess.
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I assume they'll release something (snippet, single, ecc.) only after having showed us all the 'in studio' episodes.....but I'll be happy if they prove me wrong ;D
Do we even know how many there are supposed to be?
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I assume they'll release something (snippet, single, ecc.) only after having showed us all the 'in studio' episodes.....but I'll be happy if they prove me wrong ;D
Do we even know how many there are supposed to be?
Nope.
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Maybe there are 5... or 8...
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Yea, they never seemed to take a huge interest in Jazz music. JP seems to be a bit into fusion, but that's it. Being a good improviser/soloist is different than being a "talented jazz player". Jazz is a completely different animal to what DT does.
This. Jazz is like, the polar opposite of the written music that they play. In an ideal scenario at a DT show, you'd expect to hear all the band members hit every note perfectly and hear the song just as it sounds on the album. The kind of music they play is extremely meticulous and they follow what they played on the record to a tee. When you go to a Jazz show, really the only recognizable thing you hear should be the head (or the main theme or the chorus or whatever you want to call it).
That being said, I'm sure they're more than capable of playing some jazz, it would just take them a bit of getting used to.
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I assume they'll release something (snippet, single, ecc.) only after having showed us all the 'in studio' episodes.....but I'll be happy if they prove me wrong ;D
Do we even know how many there are supposed to be?
Nope.
I think they are just three. That day when the vids were "left unprotected" it was just three of them that people could find...
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Yea, they never seemed to take a huge interest in Jazz music. JP seems to be a bit into fusion, but that's it. Being a good improviser/soloist is different than being a "talented jazz player". Jazz is a completely different animal to what DT does.
I don't really think that's the case. I could be wrong, but I feel like they are completely capable of writing jazz. LTE had a lot more jazz influence than DT ever has, and I'd be happy even with just that amount of jazz in their music.
Eh, LTE borders on fusion at best.
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Yea, they never seemed to take a huge interest in Jazz music. JP seems to be a bit into fusion, but that's it. Being a good improviser/soloist is different than being a "talented jazz player". Jazz is a completely different animal to what DT does.
I don't really think that's the case. I could be wrong, but I feel like they are completely capable of writing jazz. LTE had a lot more jazz influence than DT ever has, and I'd be happy even with just that amount of jazz in their music.
Nah, the music LTE did had nothing to do with jazz. It seems to me that the people talking about DT's "jazz influences" aren't really familiar with jazz at all.
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Maybe there are 5... or 8...
I see what you did there. :neverusethis: :tup
Honestly though, 5-8 studio vids would drive me insane. :tdwn
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And at the rate they are releasing them, the album would be out before the last studio video :lol
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Double post, woops.
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This may have been brought up before, but does anyone else think that Queensryche releasing a self-title album this year might have a negative effect on people's reception of the new DT album? I mean, obviously the music will speak for itself, but I can see some people who follow Queensryche being put off by this... I don't even know whether to call it a coincidence or not.
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This may have been brought up before, but does anyone else think that Queensryche releasing a self-title album this year might have a negative effect on people's reception of the new DT album? I mean, obviously the music will speak for itself, but I can see some people who follow Queensryche being put off by this... I don't even know whether to call it a coincidence or not.
Not a chance in hell. Queensryche with La Torre has to regain fans, while DTs fan base has stayed fairly consistent. I don't think QR releasing a self titled CD before DT does has any bearing at all on how either band's release does.
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Not a chance in hell. Queensryche with La Torre has to regain fans, while DTs fan base has stayed fairly consistent. I don't think QR releasing a self titled CD before DT does has any bearing at all on how either band's release does.
Or... Could it go completely the other way around, and considering that the two biggest pioneers of Prog Metal both released a self-titled album on the same year? Could it make people get 'patriotic' (for the lack of a better term) about Progressive Metal, and encourage some people who kind of drifted to other musical styles, to catch up on the genre and embrace it once again?
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Yea, they never seemed to take a huge interest in Jazz music. JP seems to be a bit into fusion, but that's it. Being a good improviser/soloist is different than being a "talented jazz player". Jazz is a completely different animal to what DT does.
I don't really think that's the case. I could be wrong, but I feel like they are completely capable of writing jazz. LTE had a lot more jazz influence than DT ever has, and I'd be happy even with just that amount of jazz in their music.
Nah, the music LTE did had nothing to do with jazz. It seems to me that the people talking about DT's "jazz influences" aren't really familiar with jazz at all.
Agreed. Just because LTE had improvisation doesn't mean it was jazz
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Not a chance in hell. Queensryche with La Torre has to regain fans, while DTs fan base has stayed fairly consistent. I don't think QR releasing a self titled CD before DT does has any bearing at all on how either band's release does.
Or... Could it go completely the other way around, and considering that the two biggest pioneers of Prog Metal both released a self-titled album on the same year? Could it make people get 'patriotic' (for the lack of a better term) about Progressive Metal, and encourage some people who kind of drifted to other musical styles, to catch up on the genre and embrace it once again?
I think DT would encourage people who've drifted to other styles to come back to prog metal rather than Queensryche. While Queensryche were pioneers before DT hit the scene, DT has avoided vicious media clashes between current and former members (during a year they're releasing big new music.) I don't think we have to worry about anyone affecting either release. Queensryche is already out, you can hear what it sounds like and make a judgement. As for DT, we have no idea what to expect, and the anticipation for their new CD is still building.
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Yea, they never seemed to take a huge interest in Jazz music. JP seems to be a bit into fusion, but that's it. Being a good improviser/soloist is different than being a "talented jazz player". Jazz is a completely different animal to what DT does.
I don't really think that's the case. I could be wrong, but I feel like they are completely capable of writing jazz. LTE had a lot more jazz influence than DT ever has, and I'd be happy even with just that amount of jazz in their music.
Nah, the music LTE did had nothing to do with jazz. It seems to me that the people talking about DT's "jazz influences" aren't really familiar with jazz at all.
Yea. I hear a hint of Jazz on the solos for Solitary Shell and that's about it. And even that's pushing it.
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This should be our RR guy :laugh:
Iron Man is a Dream Theater fan! https://ow.ly/naWgh
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This should be our RR guy :laugh:
Iron Man is a Dream Theater fan! https://ow.ly/naWgh
The account of Roadrunner Records on Tumblr also posted that :lol fun fact, that Tumblr also reblogged my Dream Theater/Game Of Thrones sigils :hat
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they should offer the an instant download of the CD when you pre-order. they could do it the same as they do for the magazines, mark it so they can trace if anyone leaks it, and then we would get it sooner and they get alot more pre-orders. i for one thinks it sucks that a magazine writer who probably doesnt give a crap about DT gets to hear it 2 months before the paying customer.
That would mean watermarking a set of MP3s for every pre-ordering customer, not much fun and not very practicable. Same as preparing the inevitable lawsuits against hundreds of idiots who want to be the first to leak it anyways, not much fun either. Denny Crane! And of course magazines get pre-release versions, they need to write previews about that damn thing before it's available to build the anticipation and hype even more, it's a part of marketing.
If you're so anxious to listen to it on release day you can always pre-order the deluxe-box-set-thingy. If it's like the last two albums it will offer a digital download version available on release. Though their download servers tend to reach their limits pretty fast and be very slow, so you better prepare for a few hours and disconnects.
Greetings...
Nef
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If the wait is anguish, the new album from Avenged Sevenfold is coming up next month. I think that A7X and DT have a lot in common musically. Something to fulfill the void...
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If the wait is anguish, the new album from Avenged Sevenfold is coming up next month. I think that A7X and DT have a lot in common musically. Something to fulfill the void...
:facepalm:
I hope you're not serious.
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This should be our RR guy :laugh:
Iron Man is a Dream Theater fan! https://ow.ly/naWgh
The account of Roadrunner Records on Tumblr also posted that :lol fun fact, that Tumblr also reblogged my Dream Theater/Game Of Thrones sigils :hat
Check you out baby!!!! hat-worthy! ;)
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If the wait is anguish, the new album from Avenged Sevenfold is coming up next month. I think that A7X and DT have a lot in common musically. Something to fulfill the void...
:facepalm:
I hope you're not serious.
Actually they have.
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Well, they both have a drummer, a guitar player, a bass guitar player and a singer.
That proves at least an 80% commonality :huh: :huh:
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If the wait is anguish, the new album from Avenged Sevenfold is coming up next month. I think that A7X and DT have a lot in common musically. Something to fulfill the void...
:facepalm:
I hope you're not serious.
Actually they have.
Yes, they do! A7X was the previous step for me to starting to like DT. I would say that A7X is a DT with less complexity (instrumentally speaking).
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They're both metal bands that like to think they're progressive.
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They're both metal bands that like to think they're progressive.
DT would like to think that they're progressive? You be sappin' mah brain. :lol
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Long songs and wankery ≠ progressive. I would argue the most progressive bands of our day aren't even remotely associated with the genre.
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Long songs and wankery ≠ progressive. I would argue the most progressive bands of our day aren't even remotely associated with the genre.
So that makes DT not progressive?
SD there many genres of prog.
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They're just a metal band that writes long songs. And as I said in another thread, unless I'm missing someone crucial, prog is not progressive.
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They were trending more metal but that still doesn't exclude them from prog.
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No, it doesn't exclude them from prog metal. But then Metallica is considered as having prog tendencies.
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prog is not progressive.
wat
I was under the impression that prog is literally just short for progressive...? :huh:
Unless you mean most bands that CALL themselves prog aren't truly progressive.
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They're just a metal band that writes long songs. And as I said in another thread, unless I'm missing someone crucial, prog is not progressive.
IMO, they are the same thing. The distinction is just a one made up by people who take music really seriously and want to distinguish bands who make music in the styles of the 70's prog rockers (prog) with bands who genuinely try and push the limits of music in their own way (progressive).
I have no problem calling "prog" bands "progressive" bands, and "proggressive" bands "prog". From my perspective, bands who follow the tradition of 70s rock can always be referred to as progressive bands OR prog for shorthand, whereas the more modern genre-defyers are generally tacked with the label "experimental" instead.
No matter how you slice it, DT are both progressive AND experimental, though they were more balanced in the early days, whereas now I think they pretty much stick to their own confines (which is fine). I don't mind DT sticking to prog, but I would like a little bit more of that early genre experimenation/fusion return, like the carribean sounding music in Learning to Live or the Jazz across SFAM.
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prog is not progressive.
wat
I was under the impression that prog is literally just short for progressive...? :huh:
Unless you mean most bands that CALL themselves prog aren't truly progressive.
This.
Besides, they have all the time signature changes that are associated with the early progressive bands.
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No, it doesn't exclude them from prog metal. But then Metallica is considered as having prog tendencies.
Not even close. DT is a prog style of metal and Metallica is a metal band.
Hey, I for one like when DY is not metal all the time.
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Octavarium got 70's prog written all over it.
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I would say that "And Justice for All" from Metallica is a metal prog album!
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prog is not progressive.
wat
I was under the impression that prog is literally just short for progressive...? :huh:
Unless you mean most bands that CALL themselves prog aren't truly progressive.
This.
Besides, they have all the time signature changes that are associated with the early progressive bands.
Which is entirely my point.
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prog is not progressive.
wat
I was under the impression that prog is literally just short for progressive...? :huh:
Unless you mean most bands that CALL themselves prog aren't truly progressive.
This.
Besides, they have all the time signature changes that are associated with the early progressive bands.
Which is entirely my point.
You kind of made the impression that DT is prog, but not progressive.
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Yea, they never seemed to take a huge interest in Jazz music. JP seems to be a bit into fusion, but that's it. Being a good improviser/soloist is different than being a "talented jazz player". Jazz is a completely different animal to what DT does.
I don't really think that's the case. I could be wrong, but I feel like they are completely capable of writing jazz. LTE had a lot more jazz influence than DT ever has, and I'd be happy even with just that amount of jazz in their music.
Nah, the music LTE did had nothing to do with jazz. It seems to me that the people talking about DT's "jazz influences" aren't really familiar with jazz at all.
Yea. I hear a hint of Jazz on the solos for Solitary Shell and that's about it. And even that's pushing it.
Well it would be nice if they use something in the line of The Saurus, that would be freaking cool, at least in some instrumental brake or something
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prog is not progressive.
wat
I was under the impression that prog is literally just short for progressive...? :huh:
Unless you mean most bands that CALL themselves prog aren't truly progressive.
This.
Besides, they have all the time signature changes that are associated with the early progressive bands.
Which is entirely my point.
You kind of made the impression that DT is prog, but not progressive.
Correct. Noodling around on a mellotron like bands from the '70s may make you prog, but that's not progressive.
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What a funny conversation. Prog is simply short for Progressive.
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prog is not progressive.
wat
I was under the impression that prog is literally just short for progressive...? :huh:
Unless you mean most bands that CALL themselves prog aren't truly progressive.
This.
Besides, they have all the time signature changes that are associated with the early progressive bands.
Which is entirely my point.
Fair enough, but if prog and progressive are interchangable, and prog truly isn't progressive anymore...
What IS progressive anymore?
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I dunno, what do you think?
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I've seen that definition here before - who came up with "prog" and "progressive" being two different labels? Where and when was it established? By who?
How can a band who has a reggae section in Learning To Live (live version), a horror movie section in The Dark Eternal Night or a ragtime piano section in Dance of Eternity, amidst all the metal riffs, not be considered progressive? The band is a lot more than heavy riffs and different time signatures.
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We need a review or the single, the debate is drifting into prog-nonsense...
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What a funny conversation. Prog is simply short for Progressive.
Not if you make the assertion enough times REALLY LOUD! That changes everything. It's just like trying to get someone who doesn't speak your language to understand.
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When I typed prog into wikipedia I got this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prog
"Prog" redirects here. For other uses, see Prog (disambiguation)."
And from there this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prog_%28disambiguation%29
"any kind of progressive music (disambiguation)"
We can see that prog is one and the same as progressive.
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No thoughts on this?
They're just a metal band that writes long songs. And as I said in another thread, unless I'm missing someone crucial, prog is not progressive.
IMO, they are the same thing. The distinction is just a one made up by people who take music really seriously and want to distinguish bands who make music in the styles of the 70's prog rockers (prog) with bands who genuinely try and push the limits of music in their own way (progressive).
I have no problem calling "prog" bands "progressive" bands, and "proggressive" bands "prog". From my perspective, bands who follow the tradition of 70s rock can always be referred to as progressive bands OR prog for shorthand, whereas the more modern genre-defyers are generally tacked with the label "experimental" instead.
No matter how you slice it, DT are both progressive AND experimental, though they were more balanced in the early days, whereas now I think they pretty much stick to their own confines (which is fine). I don't mind DT sticking to prog, but I would like a little bit more of that early genre experimenation/fusion return, like the carribean sounding music in Learning to Live or the Jazz across SFAM.
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I've seen that definition here before - who came up with "prog" and "progressive" being two different labels? Where and when was it established? By who?
How can a band who has a reggae section in Learning To Live (live version), a horror movie section in The Dark Eternal Night or a ragtime piano section in Dance of Eternity, amidst all the metal riffs, not be considered progressive? The band is a lot more than heavy riffs and different time signatures.
This.
Yea progressive is more than just time signatures, that's why it's such a broad genre today.
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No thoughts on this?
They're just a metal band that writes long songs. And as I said in another thread, unless I'm missing someone crucial, prog is not progressive.
IMO, they are the same thing. The distinction is just a one made up by people who take music really seriously and want to distinguish bands who make music in the styles of the 70's prog rockers (prog) with bands who genuinely try and push the limits of music in their own way (progressive).
I have no problem calling "prog" bands "progressive" bands, and "proggressive" bands "prog". From my perspective, bands who follow the tradition of 70s rock can always be referred to as progressive bands OR prog for shorthand, whereas the more modern genre-defyers are generally tacked with the label "experimental" instead.
No matter how you slice it, DT are both progressive AND experimental, though they were more balanced in the early days, whereas now I think they pretty much stick to their own confines (which is fine). I don't mind DT sticking to prog, but I would like a little bit more of that early genre experimenation/fusion return, like the carribean sounding music in Learning to Live or the Jazz across SFAM.
Apparently not.
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No thoughts on this?
They're just a metal band that writes long songs. And as I said in another thread, unless I'm missing someone crucial, prog is not progressive.
IMO, they are the same thing. The distinction is just a one made up by people who take music really seriously and want to distinguish bands who make music in the styles of the 70's prog rockers (prog) with bands who genuinely try and push the limits of music in their own way (progressive).
I have no problem calling "prog" bands "progressive" bands, and "proggressive" bands "prog". From my perspective, bands who follow the tradition of 70s rock can always be referred to as progressive bands OR prog for shorthand, whereas the more modern genre-defyers are generally tacked with the label "experimental" instead.
No matter how you slice it, DT are both progressive AND experimental, though they were more balanced in the early days, whereas now I think they pretty much stick to their own confines (which is fine). I don't mind DT sticking to prog, but I would like a little bit more of that early genre experimenation/fusion return, like the carribean sounding music in Learning to Live or the Jazz across SFAM.
Actually I agree 100% with what you said there. To me, it's just some snobbish purpose that leads people to distance themselves from music genres that still have "prog/progressive" in their name but are not strictly classic 70s prog. Something for music nerds (no offense intended). I share your same wishes and hope that DT will start again experimenting with their music, it's something that I've been really missing since SDOIT.
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People get old, my friend. And with aging comes easement, coziness... Experimenting is for young spirits. I really don't expect another SDOIT from DT. I hope I'm wrong.
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People get old, my friend. And with aging comes easement, coziness... Experimenting is for young spirits. I really don't expect another SDOIT from DT. I hope I'm wrong.
I fear you may be absolutely right.
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People get old, my friend. And with aging comes easement, coziness... Experimenting is for young spirits. I really don't expect another SDOIT from DT. I hope I'm wrong.
We should be so lucky.
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Oh god, the prog versus progressive argument rears its ugly head.
Here's how it goes:
Prog: a band that grew up liking Yes.
Progressive: a band that sounds like Radiohead.
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Ok. Been away for a week.
Can someone please tell me shortly what did I miss, so I won't have to read 25 pages? :laugh:
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Oh god, the prog versus progressive argument rears its ugly head.
Here's how it goes:
Prog: a band that grew up liking Yes.
Progressive: a band that sounds like Radiohead.
Radiohead...?
RADIOHEAD?
RADIOHEAD??!!
Is Radiohead even kind of considered progressive around here?
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Oh god, the prog versus progressive argument rears its ugly head.
Here's how it goes:
Prog: a band that grew up liking Yes.
Progressive: a band that sounds like Radiohead.
Radiohead...?
RADIOHEAD?
RADIOHEAD??!!
Is Radiohead even kind of considered progressive around here?
Well they are considered experimental rock so yea you could call them that I guess. Don't take my words for it though.
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No thoughts on this?
They're just a metal band that writes long songs. And as I said in another thread, unless I'm missing someone crucial, prog is not progressive.
IMO, they are the same thing. The distinction is just a one made up by people who take music really seriously and want to distinguish bands who make music in the styles of the 70's prog rockers (prog) with bands who genuinely try and push the limits of music in their own way (progressive).
I have no problem calling "prog" bands "progressive" bands, and "proggressive" bands "prog". From my perspective, bands who follow the tradition of 70s rock can always be referred to as progressive bands OR prog for shorthand, whereas the more modern genre-defyers are generally tacked with the label "experimental" instead.
No matter how you slice it, DT are both progressive AND experimental, though they were more balanced in the early days, whereas now I think they pretty much stick to their own confines (which is fine). I don't mind DT sticking to prog, but I would like a little bit more of that early genre experimenation/fusion return, like the carribean sounding music in Learning to Live or the Jazz across SFAM.
I'm pretty much down with this.
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Nothing except ep 2 of in studio is now out...
Imo prog and progressive are the same, if you define old as prog and New as progressive, the only difference is that modern is heavier and more technical, but prog is the same as progressive.
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Ok. Been away for a week.
Can someone please tell me shortly what did I miss, so I won't have to read 25 pages? :laugh:
only concrete things that had happened in the last week:
1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPg6xpZkG0 ... so DTF has been pretty busy applying any CSI knowledge we have.
and:
2: someone in Prog magazine posted in FB he was giving first spin to the album, sounds heavier, more melodic, with some prog parts, with some great time sig changes. .. that was it.. a two sentences heads up of what he was doing in that moment..... So some people have burned the guy soul saying he has no right for living hoping he will suffer in the lake of fire for eternity, others have throw their entire DT collection to the trash and been boozzing since... others have been lighting candles after frame pictures of kevin moore. It's been pandemonium.
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I think what DT could use is a lot more jazz elements in their music. They are all talented jazz players, but I think the only times they use prominent jazz is in their soloing. I'd love some songs that have a consistent jazzy vibe.
yes, please! :) :tup
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WTF Super Jew not this prog vs progressive crap again.
DT are most certainly prog. Whether they are technically progressive is to a certain extent subjective. But their genre is prog metal.
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Yea, they never seemed to take a huge interest in Jazz music. JP seems to be a bit into fusion, but that's it. Being a good improviser/soloist is different than being a "talented jazz player". Jazz is a completely different animal to what DT does.
This. Jazz is like, the polar opposite of the written music that they play. In an ideal scenario at a DT show, you'd expect to hear all the band members hit every note perfectly and hear the song just as it sounds on the album. The kind of music they play is extremely meticulous and they follow what they played on the record to a tee. When you go to a Jazz show, really the only recognizable thing you hear should be the head (or the main theme or the chorus or whatever you want to call it).
That being said, I'm sure they're more than capable of playing some jazz, it would just take them a bit of getting used to.
That's only one kind of jazz. There are many forms and sub genres. There is plenty of jazz that is completely composed. Besides, the original sub-topic was having DT incorporate jazz elements into their music. Surely it would still be tightly composed music.
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others have been lighting candles after frame pictures of kevin moore. It's been pandemonium.
*normal mode of behaviour*
Disclaimer: No, I don't have a framed picture of Kevin Moore in my house. And only 20% of me wishes that I did :lol
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WTF Super Jew not this prog vs progressive crap again.
DT are most certainly prog. Whether they are technically progressive is to a certain extent subjective. But their genre is prog metal.
More importantly, who cares about genre semantics? If it's good, it's good, and if it's not, it's not! :tup
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Yeah, I hate genre semantics. People that go like OMG they're not Progressive Death Metalcore, they are Progressive GRIND Metalcore... how can you not tell?
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I only listen to Post-Ironic Beardcore.
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losing patience... we need something. Single, snippet, studio footage, track by track interview, JP flexing etc. Anything really.
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I only listen to Post-Ironic Beardcore.
It seems to be the most apt... :D
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"We've fully explored all of the elements that make us unique, from the epic and intense to the atmospheric and cinematic."
Any thoughts on the last word of JP's sentence about the new album? Somehow it drew my attention.
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WTF Super Jew not this prog vs progressive crap again.
DT are most certainly prog. Whether they are technically progressive is to a certain extent subjective. But their genre is prog metal.
In order to not continue re-opening this can of worms, I will only say what you said is in no way inconsistent with what I was trying to get at.
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"We've fully explored all of the elements that make us unique, from the epic and intense to the atmospheric and cinematic."
Any thoughts on the last word of JP's sentence about the new album? Somehow it drew my attention.
My guess is that "cinematic" refers to the orchestration. I imagine this album is gonna be pretty huge sounding. When I think of cinematic as a descriptor the songs that come to mind are LNF, the overture to 6 degrees.... that sorta thing. Its most likely referring to the use of the orchestra.
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WTF Super Jew not this prog vs progressive crap again.
DT are most certainly prog. Whether they are technically progressive is to a certain extent subjective. But their genre is prog metal.
In order to not continue re-opening this can of worms, I will only say what you said is in no way inconsistent with what I was trying to get at.
Oh, OK.
It's Monday.
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WTF Super Jew not this prog vs progressive crap again.
DT are most certainly prog. Whether they are technically progressive is to a certain extent subjective. But their genre is prog metal.
More importantly, who cares about genre semantics? If it's good, it's good, and if it's not, it's not! :tup
Agreed. To quote a certain wise Scottish hippy, ''I don't really enjoy putting music into different boxes, there are two types of music: good music and bad music.'' I think that's the key to writing original music, absorbing all your influences and not letting yourself be restricted by the restrictions of a genre. Isn't that what prog is about anyway? Artistic freedom rather than tailoring music to be a specific way. Progressive metal is quite a broad term. As long as a band meets this list of requirements, they're allowed to be considered progressive metal. What about everything else that makes that band unique? They're instantly categorised, leading to stereotyping which I'm also not much of a fan of. Anyway, I'm sure Dream Theater aren't trying to sound a certain way, that's just the way the music comes out as a sum of their influences.
Back on topic, 64 days till the release date. The Winery Dogs have their debut album out tomorrow and The Aristocrats released their new album last week, I have plenty of stuff to keep me busy till then ;D
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All of this "prog" talk has taken me back to the days of Pogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogs)
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Wait a second, how did this discussion about the difference between prog and progressive start? I remember reading an interview in a magazine with Mike or James explaining the difference. Maybe I should try to find the magazine and put the end to the discussion, because we should obviously go with what DT guys think. Plus, we're way off topic. Not that I'm a mod, but still... ;D
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Screw this whole argument. Dream theater is Death Metal Electronica.
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All of this "prog" talk has taken me back to the days of Pogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogs)
or "progg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progg)"
Let me present to you:
Samla Mammas Manna (https://youtu.be/cFbx3-hl-dQ?t=2m7s)
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Soooo, about this new DT album....
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"We've fully explored all of the elements that make us unique, from the epic and intense to the atmospheric and cinematic."
Any thoughts on the last word of JP's sentence about the new album? Somehow it drew my attention.
I'm thinking the Fsr From Heaven reprise at the end of BAI...it reminded people of the lion king.
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I really don't expect another SDOIT from DT.
I hope you're right.
we should obviously go with what DT guys think.
:huh:
People can have their own opinions, man.
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Clearly the forum is bored, and can't stay on track when bored. :police:
Any ideas on which song will be the most insane? Will we have another noodle section, like in LNF??
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Hopefully not.
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Hopefully not.
:sadpanda:
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Clearly the forum is bored, and can't stay on track when bored. :police:
Any ideas on which song will be the most insane? Will we have another noodle section, like in LNF??
Well, Enigma Machine might be a good candidate.
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Hopefully not.
:sadpanda:
The "tickle section" of Lost Not Forgotten is one of my least favorite DT moments ever. Which is a shame, because I really like the rest of the song.
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Clearly the forum is bored, and can't stay on track when bored. :police:
Any ideas on which song will be the most insane? Will we have another noodle section, like in LNF??
Well, Enigma Machine might be a good candidate.
Was it confirmed somewhere already that Enigma Machine is the instrumental?
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Hopefully not.
:sadpanda:
The "tickle section" of Lost Not Forgotten is one of my most favorite DT momenta ever.
FTFY :biggrin:
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Hopefully not.
Yup.
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Hopefully not.
:sadpanda:
The "tickle section" of Lost Not Forgotten is one of my most favorite DT momenta ever.
FTFY :biggrin:
Really? I mean, opinions and everything, but I really can't comprehend anyone liking that. And I usually like DT's unisons.
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I really don't know why that section is so controversial. It's just another cool little DT instrumental section. I don't why it's enough to make people feel that strongly. Each to their own, of course!
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Hopefully not.
:sadpanda:
The "tickle section" of Lost Not Forgotten is one of my most favorite DT momenta ever.
FTFY :biggrin:
Really? I mean, opinions and everything, but I really can't comprehend anyone liking that. And I usually like DT's unisons.
:omg: I'm liking something no one else likes....
Liking music is not a opinion for me, I don't have a reason for everything I like. I find that section cool that's all.
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That's fine. I just can't stand it. :lol
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I'm also in the boat of not liking the "tickle" section, but I can't articulate why exactly. Maybe because it's so contrived and unmusical?
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That's fine. I just can't stand it. :lol
Just let it mature and someday in the future it may even click for you. :biggrin:
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I would hope so. Like I said, I really like the rest of the song.
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That's fine. I just can't stand it. :lol
It's one of the reasons why LNF is my least favourite song on ADTOE.
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I really don't know why that section is so controversial. It's just another cool little DT instrumental section. I don't why it's enough to make people feel that strongly. Each to their own, of course!
:iagree: Moments like the tickle section (and it's ilk) are one of the major reasons I listen to Dream Theater at all. If I didn't like things like that, I'd listen to other bands.
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I'm a big fan of the "tickle section" mainly because I understand the structure of it. I think it's just the kind of section that only DT can pull off well. It's part of what makes them who and what they are. It's one of the many, many things of course.
On the subject of the new album, my thought process has been changing from "I want a single/sample now!" to "I want to wait as long as possible before hearing anything". It's just so much more rewarding to hear something completely for the first time, instead of having that one song you've heard already. It's not such a big deal to me when the single is the first track on the album, like with ADTOE, but that's probably not happening this time. The battle of Patience vs Temptation will be an especially difficult one this time around.
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I'm ok with the tickle section (although it's my least favorite part of LNF), but I hope there won't be anything like the unison at the end of This Dying Soul on the new album.
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I really don't know why that section is so controversial. It's just another cool little DT instrumental section. I don't why it's enough to make people feel that strongly. Each to their own, of course!
:iagree: Moments like the tickle section (and it's ilk) are one of the major reasons I listen to Dream Theater at all. If I didn't like things like that, I'd listen to other bands.
Exactly!
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I really don't know why that section is so controversial. It's just another cool little DT instrumental section. I don't why it's enough to make people feel that strongly. Each to their own, of course!
:iagree: Moments like the tickle section (and it's ilk) are one of the major reasons I listen to Dream Theater at all. If I didn't like things like that, I'd listen to other bands.
This.
Bring on the quirkiness!
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Hopefully not.
:sadpanda:
The "tickle section" of Lost Not Forgotten is one of my least favorite DT momenta ever. Which is a shame, because I really like the rest of the song.
I absolutely love the tickle section :metal
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The "tickle section" of Lost Not Forgotten is one of my least favorite DT momenta ever. Which is a shame, because I really like the rest of the song.
Thats my favorite part from the song, I'm not really eager to hear the rest of the song! when LNF pops in my playlist.. y play the intro to the end of the tickle section about 4 times.. and usually then I skip the song
ps. i do think the chorus is very cool
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Hopefully not.
:sadpanda:
The "tickle section" of Lost Not Forgotten is one of my most favorite DT momenta ever.
FTFY :biggrin:
Really? I mean, opinions and everything, but I really can't comprehend anyone liking that. And I usually like DT's unisons.
I like the "tickle section" for what it is, but I can understand others not liking it. It's almost incoherent what's going on. I hope they have more complex sections like it on the new album. I think with Mangini being an active writing partner (not writing drums to an already recorded piece) future tickle sections will feel more cohesive.
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Hopefully not.
:sadpanda:
The "tickle section" of Lost Not Forgotten is one of my least favorite DT momenta ever. Which is a shame, because I really like the rest of the song.
I absolutely love the tickle section :metal
Blast, I just noticed my typo. :facepalm:
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I've seen that definition here before - who came up with "prog" and "progressive" being two different labels? Where and when was it established? By who?
It's not an establishment, but it's more the way the words are used.
Prog is derived from "progressive," which was a description of how the music was written. Music that belongs to prog the genre, however, is not, nowadays, always progressive the adjective, so the definitions have naturally diverged ever so slightly.
There are lots of sound-alikes in the genre, who aren't so keen to tread new ground as to pay tribute to the old stuff - not a criticism, Transatlantic are prog-not-progressive and they're widely considered to be brilliant.
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what I think 'bout the tickle section? I cut it in my edited version on youtube, so....
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UHMM they released cover and tracklist + epizode 2 ( sing something???! :biggrin: ) and now?.. Now is dead silence? What a hell?
Something big is coming !!! :metal
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So many new people :o
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Indeed. Hurrah, I'm not a newbie anymore.
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So many new people :o
Yeah, and you're one of them dude! Post count doesn't determine your newbie status. :lol
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So many new people :o
Yeah, and you're one of them dude! Post count doesn't determine your newbie status. :lol
By that logic Shadow Ninja is indeed a newbie as well, being only 12 days older on this forum than myself.
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NO! LIES!
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UHMM they released cover and tracklist + epizode 2 ( sing something???! :biggrin: ) and now?.. Now is dead silence? What a hell?
Something big is coming !!! :metal
Yes, something big is coming. An album :lol
It's only been "dead silence" for less than a week.
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Everyone under 10,000+ posts is a newb in my book.
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I really don't know why that section is so controversial. It's just another cool little DT instrumental section. I don't why it's enough to make people feel that strongly. Each to their own, of course!
:iagree: Moments like the tickle section (and it's ilk) are one of the major reasons I listen to Dream Theater at all. If I didn't like things like that, I'd listen to other bands.
Exactly!
I have to agree and say the "tickle" section within LNF is pretty much awesome. Seeing them play it live during the US tour for ADTOE...? Mind. Blown.
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Everyone under 10,000+ posts is a newb in my book.
Bastard...
:rollin
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Everyone under 10,000+ posts is a newb in my book.
Bastard...
:rollin
Indeed, considering I registered before PC. :lol
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UHMM they released cover and tracklist + epizode 2 ( sing something???! :biggrin: ) and now?.. Now is dead silence? What a hell?
Something big is coming !!! :metal
Yes, something big is coming. An album :lol
It's only been "dead silence" for less than a week.
Album not yet.. I hope for single !
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LOL ok!
Everyone under 10,000+ posts is a newb in my book.
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Me want album.
Me not like waiting.
Me break something.
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Everyone under 10,000+ posts is a newb in my book.
Whatcha talking about, n00b?
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Me want album.
Me not like waiting.
Me break something.
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Hoping they release a single before they hit the summer tour circuit.
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Lost Not Forgotten - My least favorite part of Lost Not Forgotten is most of the lyrics.
Newbs - I just turned 2 here on DTF, I'm still just a baby, but like to think that I've been here "a while" now.
New DT album - I had a dream I heard one of the songs, it was the most perfect sounding guitar I have ever heard.
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Hoping they release a single before they hit the summer tour circuit.
You'd think so. The opportunity to see new material live, even if it's just one new song, should increase the draw.
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these threads kinda suck between details and reveals. but i cant stop checking just in case
-6 year n00b
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Hoping they release a single before they hit the summer tour circuit.
You'd think so. The opportunity to see new material live, even if it's just one new song, should increase the draw.
Did I miss something? I thought it's been established they're not going out on tour until 2014, and by then the album will have been out for some time. No need to release a single just so they can perform it live as they've done on previous cycles.
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I was talking about DT touring in my head. Sorry, should have been more specific. I hope they release a single before they start touring in my mind again.
If only JM stopped blabbering during songs on those tours.
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N00b.
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I was talking about DT touring in my head. Sorry, should have been more specific. I hope they release a single before they start touring in my mind again.
If only JM stopped blabbering during songs on those tours.
I WANT IN YOUR HEAD
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I was talking about DT touring in my head. Sorry, should have been more specific. I hope they release a single before they start touring in my mind again.
If only JM stopped blabbering during songs on those tours.
I WANT YOUR HEAD
Jay! Send a private message. Geez.
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I was talking about DT touring in my head. Sorry, should have been more specific. I hope they release a single before they start touring in my mind again.
If only JM stopped blabbering during songs on those tours.
I WANT YOUR HEAD
Jay! Send a private message. Geez.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/260546_10150233340133427_7971937_n.jpg)
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I hope they make a t-shirt using the DT12 cover.
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UHMM they released cover and tracklist + epizode 2 ( sing something???! :biggrin: ) and now?.. Now is dead silence? What a hell?
Something big is coming !!! :metal
Yeah the hell!!
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currently in progarchives.com DT12 has been ranked #1 in terms of average user ratings (I wonder who has already listened to it :huh:)
(https://i40.tinypic.com/28btnar.jpg)
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Only four people.
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lucky b******s :biggrin:
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currently in progarchives.com DT12 has been ranked #1 in terms of average user ratings (I wonder who has already listened to it :huh:)
(https://i40.tinypic.com/28btnar.jpg)
Can anyone rate it? How can we be sure the ratings are actually from people who have heard the album?
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Jesus Christ, DTF:
1) "Prog" is nothing other than "progressive" without the last couple syllables. There's no reason to get upset when people say DT is a progressive band, because they are a progressive band. That's the name of the genre. Whether you think DT has pushed the boundaries of music is another matter. This conversation makes about as much sense as it would to talk about whether Zep was technically a "rock" band since the band members are carbon-based life forms rather than rocks.
2) No, DT are not jazz musicians. Go listen to some Weather Report and check back in if you think SFAM has jazz sections.
3) The tickle section kicks ass.
Okay, I think I'm up to speed. How about that new Dream Theater album?
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3) The tickle section kicks ass.
Son, I am disappoint.
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the tickle section rules. and its short. really a petty complaint in the end if you don't like it
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Lost Not Forgotten - My least favorite part of Lost Not Forgotten is most of the lyrics.
What? One song I love the theme and lyrics!
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Jesus Christ, DTF:
1) "Prog" is nothing other than "progressive" without the last couple syllables. There's no reason to get upset when people say DT is a progressive band, because they are a progressive band. That's the name of the genre. Whether you think DT has pushed the boundaries of music is another matter. This conversation makes about as much sense as it would to talk about whether Zep was technically a "rock" band since the band members are carbon-based life forms rather than rocks.
Well! Not especially. It's a bit more like debating whether Zep were necessarily rock and roll cos the name of the genre "hard rock" derives from rock and roll. It's about semantics-then and semantics-now, and in this case, it's about the mutation of what was an adjective in the seventies into what's become a noun - and the curious position we're left in where the noun hasn't necessarily rendered the adjective redundant, it's just pushed its meaning (rather than its definition) a few metres to the left.
But frankly, having forged a new subgenre almost single-handedly, it's hard not to grant DT both variants of the phrase "progressive rock." That's... not a boast many bands get to make, and sticking to a signature style twenty-five years on doesn't diminish the fact that they were the ones that defined a minor subculture.
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Can anyone rate it? How can we be sure the ratings are actually from people who have heard the album?
we don't, but the site is quite serious about the prog topic, I don't think it's a joke, but it might be...
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Here in Spain, there is a famous musical journalist called "Tío Emilio" who likes to discuss music with fans in a forum, and he just received... Well...: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPz_IrwCIAEbwC9.jpg:large)
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Radiohead...?
RADIOHEAD?
RADIOHEAD??!!
Is Radiohead even kind of considered progressive around here?
>2013
>Having such a bad opinion
ISHYGDDT
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I really don't give a fuck what that guy thinks of it, or what anyone thinks of it, to be honest. I care what I think of it.
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If thats true, HOW could they make the drums sound bad? ???
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I don't believe in this guy's opinion.
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Well, I'll admit I haven't liked Mangini's snare sound on anything he's done. I doubt the drums will sound bad, but I probably still won't like his snare sound.
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By bad he could just mean they're not upfront and hidden away like they were a lot of the time in ADToE..
I honestly wouldn't be surprised.
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Radiohead...?
RADIOHEAD?
RADIOHEAD??!!
Is Radiohead even kind of considered progressive around here?
>2013
>Having such a bad opinion
ISHYGDDT
Radiohead has got to be one of the most progressive artists of the decade.
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He says the drums sound like electronic or midi. Redoing Images And Words again, DT?
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How did that guy receive ADToE?
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Seems like first promotional copies are being distributed.
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He says the drums sound like electronic or midi. Redoing Images And Words again, DT?
:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
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Seems like first promotional copies are being distributed.
Are you sure you are translating that right? It looks like that carlosmalmsteen guy is saying a continuation of ADTOE. And Tio Emulio is saying that for him it is better than ADToE if you look at "para mi bastante mejor que A Dramatic turn" Also that Carlosmalmsteen has 3 posts so I dont think he is anyone.
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He says that DT12 is better than ADTOE, but that they just followed the same direction.
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Yeaaaahhh....I don't trust it. I doubt they'd really let the drums sound like MIDI. And Jordan's just limited to a little bit of piano???
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He also speaks about the lack of keyboard solos, which matches with what we saw in the progress chart.
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He says the drums sound like electronic or midi. Redoing Images And Words again, DT?
:omg:
Slightly:
(https://boourns.dynu.net/pics/emberkomodogad5bq4.gif)
but mostly:
:hat
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Deluxe preorder is up on amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Theater-Deluxe-Edition-DVD/dp/B00DJ80VLS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1374536533&sr=8-3&keywords=dream+theater+dream+theater
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Spain is in crisis. Don't give this guy too much credit!
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Here in Spain, there is a famous musical journalist called "Tío Emilio" who likes to discuss music with fans in a forum, and he just received... Well...
I'm not gonna trust him. Horrible drums which sound like a midi??? Definitely impossible. Rudess not much present is another doubtful statement, considering his enormous amount of instruments he' s played in the album (pretty the same as in ADTOE plus the Seabord) and he's written all the parts for the orchestra as well.
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Quite interesting also how he didn't mention anything about Illumination Theory... But Pepe, isn't "bastante" an ambiguous word? At least in Brazilian Portuguese it can mean both "a lot" and "enough". I could understand all the text since Spanish is mandatory in schools here, but do you think that he used "bastante" as enough or as "a lot" there?
Edit 1: Eh, now that I read it again, it really seems he used it as "a lot". It's just the way he described the album afterwards that confused me.
Edit 2: Could it be possible that he didn't receive a high quality version of the album?
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By "midi" sounding, I think he means some of the drums sound triggered (like the extremely cheesy snare effect used in Images and Words)
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I like the snare on Images And Words. I would be pleased if it returned.
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I've made my best to translate it ;)
70 minutes of CD. I’m going to listen to it for the first time.
I’ve listened to it many times. I’m not trolling. Other forum users have had the honor of listening to it, too. My favorite track by now is The Looking Glass, it has a strong Rush vibe. Very Limelight. For me, it’s way better than A Dramatic Turn of Events… it follows the same path, though.
I’ve listened to it thanks to Tio Emilio. To sum up, in the first listen it seems like a continuation of ADTOE, it’s not a turning point, nor a back to the roots, nothing, hope nobody’s waiting for any surprises. If you liked the last one (I suppose everyone here liked it), you’ll like this one. That’s why I just don’t understand why it is self-titled. In the sonic aspect, I think the drums sound awful (I’m talking about the sound, specifically), in general everything sounds a little worse than in a CD, but the drums are NOT WELL, it sounds like an electronic kit. Seems like MIDI… It’s also surprised me that Rudess has had very few participation on the record, restricting himself to backing keyboards and some piano stuff. I remember just a few solos. Less presence, in general.
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Well, I really loved ADTOE, So if it's indeed way better, that's a good sign for me. No mentions of Illumination Theory and what he said about the drums worry me a bit though...
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70min? :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I was hoping for a 78min+ album.
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Can't CDs only hold 74 mins?
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Can't CDs only hold 74 mins?
The Whirlwind says no.
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According to Wikipedia, ADTOE has 77:05 minutes. Well, that podcast said that other than the 20 minute epic, there were short songs as well.
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Radiohead...?
RADIOHEAD?
RADIOHEAD??!!
Is Radiohead even kind of considered progressive around here?
>2013
>Having such a bad opinion
ISHYGDDT
Radiohead has got to be one of the most progressive artists of the decade.
Oh, I agree with you. I was flabbergasted myself that someone on a DT board, who have been using the same trick since the first album, could say something bad about Radioheads progressiveness.
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Can't CDs only hold 74 mins?
FII, SFAM, 8VM, SC, BC&SL, and ADTOE all exceed 74 minutes.
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He says that DT12 is better than ADTOE, but that they just followed the same direction.
I don't see how anyone's shocked by this after the last four albums. Not that it's *that* bad of a thing if it works, but that's almost a decade of pretty much not breaking new ground. I think they're done trying to do that.
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70 mins? Would that not make it like the 2nd shortest album after IAW?
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Jesus Christ, DTF:
*typical awesome seoafs rant*
Thank you, my friend.
Oh, and The Voxyn is obviously definitely right sbout the Radiohead debate.
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:lol at the "Only 70 minutes?" Comments
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Damn, I was really hoping the drums to be more prevalent on the new record. :-\ A huge reason I got into DT is because the drums are right there in your face. Probably the main reason ADTOE didn't do it for me.
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Can't CDs only hold 74 mins?
FII, SFAM, 8VM, SC, BC&SL, and ADTOE all exceed 74 minutes.
Oh yeah... They must have better data storage than I learned in Music history, my bad
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:lol at the "Only 70 minutes?" Comments
Oh, there is that as well, yes :lol
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People are really taking this "review" seriously? Cmon....
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Also that second review from the non credible guy with 3 posts says it was his first listen.
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Haha, I didn't notice there were 2 different posters in that, lol.
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70 mins? Would that not make it like the 2nd shortest album after IAW?
i think Train Of Thought is 65 mins.
Edit : 69 minutes.
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For all we know, when he says 70, he could be averaging.
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Okay guys.... 70 minutes is a pretty good chunk of music..
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70 minutes is Train of thought length.
And only 5 minutes shorter than " Be Here Now " :lol
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You really crying about it *MAYBE* running for 70 minutes?
lol, this forum.
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That's an entire hour and ten minutes. . .
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You really crying about it *MAYBE* running for 70 minutes?
lol, this forum.
Seriously, this so much it's not even funny.
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People expect too much. Silly.
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Only 70 mins?
Hopefully we'll get a little more to fill that disc ;)
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Maybe Easter Egg is a hidden track
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Maybe Easter Egg is a hidden track
That's what I was gonna saaaaay
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at 70 mins. he probably didn't find the Easter Egg :omg:
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Here in Spain, there is a famous musical journalist called "Tío Emilio" who likes to discuss music with fans in a forum, and he just received... Well...: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPz_IrwCIAEbwC9.jpg:large)
We would actually pay attention to anything that a guy that looks like that says?
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Excellent point.
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I really don't give a fuck what that guy thinks of it, or what anyone thinks of it, to be honest. I care what I think of it.
I agree. Half the guys on this forum hate ADTOE and I think it's their best work ever. So do I care what anybody else thinks? Not a lot.
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Excellent point.
Especially since his favorite song sounds like another group. That could make it my least favorite. My favorite is when DT sounds like DT.... because I love DT!
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it's about 20 mins that I'm trying to have access to the DT official site....are they posting something new? :P
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I'm not connecting either.
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I really don't give a fuck what that guy thinks of it, or what anyone thinks of it, to be honest. I care what I think of it.
I agree. Half the guys on this forum hate ADTOE and I think it's their best work ever. So do I care what anybody else thinks? Not a lot.
Really? It's actually one of the best received post-SDOIT Dream Theater albums around these parts.
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Never trust a guy with a cheesy porn stache.
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Here in Spain, there is a famous musical journalist called "Tío Emilio" who likes to discuss music with fans in a forum, and he just received... Well...: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPz_IrwCIAEbwC9.jpg:large)
Esto sí que me ha sorprendido bastante (poca duración, mal sonido de batería, ningún cambio de dirección brusco con relación a ADTOE, Rudess "nulo", etc).
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I always get that funny feeling when a band website is not working... But that usually leads to disappointment =P
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That's not his face, that's that guy Gunther or whatever his name is who does weird music about sex. Don't ask why I know that :lol
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That's not his face, that's that guy Gunther or hate we his name is who does weird music about sex. Don't ask why I know that :lol
*Slowly backs away from thread*
:lol
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Now that I think about it, that guy's "review" could EASILY be a total hoax. Take it with a grain of salt, guys. Besides, does Dream Theater give promotionals to non English-speaking countries?
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Classic Rock Presents Prog (Facebook):
"#nowplaying Dream Theater - Dream Theater. Massive sense of anticipation here at Prog Towers!!"
"First impressions: different to A Dramatic Turn of Events. Heavier and also more melodic. Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places. The epic Illumination Theory will thrill DT fans. It won't change opinions of the band's detractors within the prog community, and these are still early days, but it sounds like a strong addition to the band's body of work."
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Classic Rock Presents Prog (Facebook):
"#nowplaying Dream Theater - Dream Theater. Massive sense of anticipation here at Prog Towers!!"
"First impressions: different to A Dramatic Turn of Events. Heavier and also more melodic. Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places. The epic Illumination Theory will thrill DT fans. It won't change opinions of the band's detractors within the prog community, and these are still early days, but it sounds like a strong addition to the band's body of work."
We've already seen this...
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(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7801_1373896230.jpeg)
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Classic Rock Presents Prog (Facebook):
"#nowplaying Dream Theater - Dream Theater. Massive sense of anticipation here at Prog Towers!!"
"First impressions: different to A Dramatic Turn of Events. Heavier and also more melodic. Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places. The epic Illumination Theory will thrill DT fans. It won't change opinions of the band's detractors within the prog community, and these are still early days, but it sounds like a strong addition to the band's body of work."
We've already seen this...
Oh, I didn`t know it.
My mistake.
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Your avatar is unnerving....
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Classic Rock Presents Prog (Facebook):
"#nowplaying Dream Theater - Dream Theater. Massive sense of anticipation here at Prog Towers!!"
"First impressions: different to A Dramatic Turn of Events. Heavier and also more melodic. Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places. The epic Illumination Theory will thrill DT fans. It won't change opinions of the band's detractors within the prog community, and these are still early days, but it sounds like a strong addition to the band's body of work."
We've already seen this...
Oh, I didn`t know it.
My mistake.
Don't worry, I hadn't seen it yet.
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Classic Rock Presents Prog (Facebook):
"#nowplaying Dream Theater - Dream Theater. Massive sense of anticipation here at Prog Towers!!"
"First impressions: different to A Dramatic Turn of Events. Heavier and also more melodic. Some lovely obtuse time changes and very proggy in places. The epic Illumination Theory will thrill DT fans. It won't change opinions of the band's detractors within the prog community, and these are still early days, but it sounds like a strong addition to the band's body of work."
We've already seen this...
Oh, I didn`t know it.
My mistake.
No worries, you're fine. It's tough to keep track.
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guys you should know everything that has happened or we'll re-post and discuss your avatar.
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Your avatar is unnerving....
Is only a Lawyer.
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These are the people I will trust to give me a well rounded review.
1. The people of this forum. We're never afraid to say what we don't like about something, so I don't fear bias here. Though maybe that's a bit foolish. Meh, we'll see.
2. Someone from a well established magazine like maybe Metal Hammer, Karrang, something like that.... someone who's only listened to it once, without any credentials doesn't say much for how much we're supposed to believe.
3. Someone from the label who's been given permission to do a write up. They'll still try to sell it, so they'll be biased, at least it won't be a "This album is worse than the one before it. It's nothing new." type of feel.
Nothing dream theater has ever put out has ever sucked. Even their worst albums are good in their own right. They're only the worst because what they've put out after it was better. They have never and I mean never gone backwards on a cd.
No matter what is said this early, I will wait until I hear it to make my decisions about how I feel.
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guys you should know everything that has happened or we'll re-post and discuss your avatar.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_1189_1370566132.jpeg)
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No matter what is said this early, I will wait until I hear it to make my decisions about how I feel.
(https://i451.photobucket.com/albums/qq234/dawsonwl/thumbs-up-chuck_zps98f9539e.gif)
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What if the album that have heard the critics is a demo, or better yet, a different recording from the original album, to fool the critics and the public to feel disappointment and end with a surprise attack!, it would be interesting, just thinking xd
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dreamtheater.net is back! With nothing new xD
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What if the album that have heard the critics is a demo, or better yet, a different recording from the original album, to fool the critics and the public to feel disappointment and end with a surprise attack!, it would be interesting, just thinking xd
I feel safe in telling you that's most definitely not the case and that's an absurd thought.
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I used to laugh at the fact that DT's EP (ACOS) was still almost an hour. The albums around it are almost full discs. They never go half-assed.
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Let's say hypothetically speaking it is *only* 70 minutes, as this translated and questionable review suggests (ah DTF, you never let me down). Subtract about 20 minutes for the epic, as has been confirmed, and that leaves about 50 minutes for the remaining 8 tracks. That averages to a bit over 6 minutes a track.
I think this is good news. First of all, it means DT aren't just filling CDs for the sake of it, or extending songs artificially. They're filling it with strong material.
It also means we're likely to see diversity in song lengths, maybe with some really short songs like Vacant/FFH, and then with longer songs closer to 10 minutes. We're talking song lengths very much like IaW here, maybe LTL aside. So I'm expecting concise songwriting without any fat.
I don't see this as a bad thing. They're kicking off the album with a suite, and ending on an epic, and utilizing an orchestra. It's going to be a DT album, people! Let's not worry.
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70 minutes isn't enough?!
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the things people complain about..
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Whoa while I was gone DT released the track list for Symphony X's next release! Just kidding I actually really like the song titles and the whole mysterious feel about what the album nature is like, I'm already think of what the live stage is going to look like and how they would try topping their last tour intro and theme, is there a banana in my pocket or are DT releasing a new album?
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We`re living the slowest days for DT fans in history.
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Let's say hypothetically speaking it is *only* 70 minutes, as this translated and questionable review suggests (ah DTF, you never let me down). Subtract about 20 minutes for the epic, as has been confirmed, and that leaves about 50 minutes for the remaining 8 tracks. That averages to a bit over 6 minutes a track.
I think this is good news. First of all, it means DT aren't just filling CDs for the sake of it, or extending songs artificially. They're filling it with strong material.
It also means we're likely to see diversity in song lengths, maybe with some really short songs like Vacant/FFH, and then with longer songs closer to 10 minutes. We're talking song lengths very much like IaW here, maybe LTL aside. So I'm expecting concise songwriting without any fat.
I don't see this as a bad thing. They're kicking off the album with a suite, and ending on an epic, and utilizing an orchestra. It's going to be a DT album, people! Let's not worry.
This would be great! I'd love to hear more short songs. FII has a lot of short songs and IMO it's their best work!
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We`re living the slowest days for DT fans in history.
No, those would be the new drummer announcement days.
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We`re living the slowest days for DT fans in history.
No, those would be the new drummer announcement days.
Oh my god yes. That exactly.
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I think that an album with more shorter songs can be a nice trick to break new ground. Why? Well, the last three albuns didn't have that structure (there was just a few shorter songs, like 5 min), and this new album will explore it...something different from what we recently heard from DT.
I do believe that this change will take our listening experience to a whole new level. I'm very excited for this new album!
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Besides, does Dream Theater give promotionals to non English-speaking countries?
No, we just wait for free food from the Red Cross to survive. And we all really apologize for having the nerves to exist on the planet and pollute your Free World. Sheesh...
Of course every legitimate media in the music biz receives all promos issued by Roadrunner. When ADTOE came out, it was a watermarked digital stream which I had the chance to have access to. It was released almost simultaneously with Opeth's Watershed promo.
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Besides, does Dream Theater give promotionals to non English-speaking countries?
No, we just wait for free food from the Red Cross to survive. And we all really apologize for having the nerves to exist on the planet and pollute your Free World. Sheesh...
Of course every legitimate media in the music biz receives all promos issued by Roadrunner. When ADTOE came out, it was a watermarked digital stream which I had the chance to have access to. It was released almost simultaneously with Opeth's Watershed promo.
well that escalated quickly... But I can see where Lucien is coming from. I mean, if North America (predominantly English speaking) is Dream Theaters largest Market, how can you demonstrate the logic of giving (more) promo copies (earlier) to people in other countries/regions/markets etc.?
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you guys.... I am so fucking excited for this album.. I can't contain this...
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70 minutes isn't enough for DT fans? :lol Images & Words is universally loved by DT fans and it's not even an hour long! I agree with Blob:
I think this is good news. First of all, it means DT aren't just filling CDs for the sake of it, or extending songs artificially. They're filling it with strong material.
Also, regarding the "promos in non-English-speaking countries?! :omg:" reaction:
Of course every legitimate media in the music biz receives all promos issued by Roadrunner.
This. Music reviews are written all over the world and in order to give a review someone from the magazine/website needs a promo copy - simple as that! I promise I'll post a translation or a summary of every Finnish review I can find before the release of the album.
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Prediction
4:26 - 4:52 of Enigma Machine is going to blow minds
(disclaimer: This is based on absolutely nothing.)
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I wouldn't give that review too much credit.
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Blob is absolutely right.
And going back a couple pages, CDs can hold exactly 78:59 of music.
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And let's not forget we're going by a very questionable source right now, and 70 minutes is a rounded off figure. It's not going to be exactly 70 minutes. It could be 71 minutes, it could be 75 minutes, who knows. It's going to be around the average DT album length. I'm certainly not worrying about nitpicking a minute here or there.
As has been pointed out, IaW is under an hour, and that's universally praised. Factoring in a 20 minute song doesn't cut too much into the difference.
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We`re living the slowest days for DT fans in history.
No, those would be the new drummer announcement days.
I have to agree with LBC on this one. The wait for the new album is much more intense than the wait was for the new drummer. Same kinda of anticipation, but much more intense.
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And let's not forget we're going by a very questionable source right now, and 70 minutes is a rounded off figure. It's not going to be exactly 70 minutes. It could be 71 minutes, it could be 75 minutes, who knows. It's going to be around the average DT album length. I'm certainly not worrying about nitpicking a minute here or there.
As has been pointed out, IaW is under an hour, and that's universally praised. Factoring in a 20 minute song doesn't cut too much into the difference.
It would be typical for a Spanish guy to say 70min if it was 74min (i would say it so). So if the source is legit, we know that the album is seventy something minutes.
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You dudes, did we really have a 2-page freakout over a non-legit non-review? The dude just calculated his move and said the things that would rustle maximum jimmies with still being believable (if he'd said Petrucci had no solos, for example, that would have been unbelievable).
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Or 67. What the hell guys, we DON'T know it yet, until we get some official proof. And I don't care whether it'll be 70 or 50 minutes, as long as the music is just fantastic. Stop the whining, seriously.
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Of course. He may have very well seen the chart and drawn assumptions from there regarding Jordan's presence. And I believe that there's no chance in hell the drums will sound bad this time. Absolutely nihil.
Moreover we got a first impression from CRPProg stating that the album is indeed different from ADTOE. You would assume they know. This guy here is stating the exact opposite.
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Moreover we got a first impression from CRPProg stating that the album is indeed different from ADTOE. You would assume they know. This guy here is stating the exact opposite.
The CRPP "review" gave me the impression it's not ADTOE II, but not radically different either. I bet the amount of stylistical differences between these two albums depends on how you see them and I don't think you're "right" or "wrong" if you say they are similar or different.
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Hey guys, new guy here, this is my first post.
First off, let me say that I'm extremely pumped for this record, I feel like it's gonna turn in one of my favorites, but I like to keep my expectations pretty low, simply because I don't want to be disappointed.
For me the spanish guy's review counts nothing, it can easily be a fake, but it looks like it's legit. So, I am a bit worried about the drum sound now :omg: , but I honestly think the guy exaggerates, I mean, c'mon, how can the drums sound like MIDI? Ah, well. For anything else he said, I'm not scared/worried. I don't like personal reviews, because opinions change from person to person, so I basically don't care what he said about there being "nothing new". Prog Magazine said it's different from ADTOE, what the hell. Damn, there's Illumination Theroy, I think that's gonna kick some serious ass! Anyways, waiting 'til september is gonna be so hard, but I think we're all going to be rewarded well for the waiting. Oh yeah, I forgot, once the album comes out, I have to wait for the concert. Which is in January. DAMMIT.
Anyway, can't wait :metal
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We`re living the slowest days for DT fans in history.
No, those would be the new drummer announcement days.
Ok, both.
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Hey, welcome to the forums, mate!
And great post there :tup
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Moreover we got a first impression from CRPProg stating that the album is indeed different from ADTOE. You would assume they know. This guy here is stating the exact opposite.
The CRPP "review" gave me the impression it's not ADTOE II, but not radically different either. I bet the amount of stylistical differences between these two albums depends on how you see them.
I agree it could be a subjective assessment based on what elements you're focusing on. Even on this forum some people think certain DT albums sound very similar when I think they're quite different. It all comes down to what you're judging it by.
Every DT album shares some common elements, many of which are part of what defines DT as a band.
I don't think anybody is expecting this album to be a 180 degree turn from ADTOE, and I know a lot of people wouldn't want that either. It's going to be an evolution from that, a natural progression. There will be some new elements, some familiar elements, and a different balance that will give it a unique feel among their other albums.
For now, I'm doubting this guy is even legit, so I'm disregarding it anyway.
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You dudes, did we really have a 2-page freakout over a non-legit non-review? The dude just calculated his move and said the things that would rustle maximum jimmies with still being believable (if he'd said Petrucci had no solos, for example, that would have been unbelievable).
Of course. He may have very well seen the chart and drawn assumptions from there regarding Jordan's presence. And I believe that there's no chance in hell the drums will sound bad this time. Absolutely nihil.
Moreover we got a first impression from CRPProg stating that the album is indeed different from ADTOE. You would assume they know. This guy here is stating the exact opposite.
Absolutely agree with you both.
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You dudes, did we really have a 2-page freakout over a non-legit non-review? The dude just calculated his move and said the things that would rustle maximum jimmies with still being believable (if he'd said Petrucci had no solos, for example, that would have been unbelievable).
Of course. He may have very well seen the chart and drawn assumptions from there regarding Jordan's presence. And I believe that there's no chance in hell the drums will sound bad this time. Absolutely nihil.
Moreover we got a first impression from CRPProg stating that the album is indeed different from ADTOE. You would assume they know. This guy here is stating the exact opposite.
Absolutely agree with you both.
I like it when Italian men agree with me :hat
Welcome mike, awesome avatar!
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I wanted a composition process with Mangini fully involved :coolio. DT includes that.
I wanted an instrumental :metal. DT12 includes that.
I wanted :hefdaddy Myung lyrics. DT12 includes that.
I wanted an orchestra. DT12 includes that.
I wanted suites. DT12 includes that.
I wanted 20 or more minutes epic. DT12 includes that.
I wanted a black cover. DT12 includes that.
I wanted a new mixer engineer. DT12 includes that.
I wanted a concept album. DT is a concept album :tup.
I WANT A KILLER DRUM SOUND :metal. We got to expect.
I WANT AN ELEGANT AND CLASSY JORDAN :yeahright. We got to expect.
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I wanted a concept album. DT is a concept album :tup.
wut.
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I wanted a concept album. DT is a concept album :tup.
wut.
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I'm really looking forward for a track by track description like Rich Wilson did 2 years ago, especially from the band members (around one month before the release roadrunnergermany interviewed JP and JLB for that)
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I'm really looking forward for a track by track description like Rich Wilson did 2 years ago, especially from the band members (around one month before the release roadrunnergermany interviewed JP and JLB for that)
Personally, I would rather hear the songs first and let my own imagination form an opinion of what they're about, before actually finding out.
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You dudes, did we really have a 2-page freakout over a non-legit non-review? The dude just calculated his move and said the things that would rustle maximum jimmies with still being believable (if he'd said Petrucci had no solos, for example, that would have been unbelievable).
Of course. He may have very well seen the chart and drawn assumptions from there regarding Jordan's presence. And I believe that there's no chance in hell the drums will sound bad this time. Absolutely nihil.
Moreover we got a first impression from CRPProg stating that the album is indeed different from ADTOE. You would assume they know. This guy here is stating the exact opposite.
Absolutely agree with you both.
I like it when Italian men agree with me :hat
Welcome mike, awesome avatar!
Hey, welcome to the forums, mate!
And great post there :tup
thanks guys!
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I wanted a concept album. DT is a concept album :tup.
:facepalm:
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I wanted a concept album. DT is a concept album :tup.
:facepalm:
Why the facepalm?
DT is the name of the album, and look at the song titles.
To me, it will be a concept album.
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I'm sorry, but you can't tell if it's a concept album until you have the lyrics or the band explicitly say it has a concept.
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I wanted a concept album. DT is a concept album :tup.
:facepalm:
Why the facepalm?
DT is the name of the album, and look at the song titles.
To me, it will be a concept album.
You stated it as fact though, but it's just speculation, and people may mistake your comment as something confirmed.
There is no evidence at this point that it's a concept album. I can't say that it won't be, but there's just nothing to support that claim at this point.
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I seriously doubt it will be. The band has stated several times that they're done with that.
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No, we just wait for free food from the Red Cross to survive. And we all really apologize for having the nerves to exist on the planet and pollute your Free World. Sheesh...
Of course every legitimate media in the music biz receives all promos issued by Roadrunner. When ADTOE came out, it was a watermarked digital stream which I had the chance to have access to. It was released almost simultaneously with Opeth's Watershed promo.
:clap: great post.
Btw, Watershed was released three years before ADTOE ;)
I wanted a concept album. DT is a concept album
Seriously :facepalm:. Why do people still believe that? There is absolutely no evidence.
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The concept could be to have different lyrical themes for the different songs :biggrin:
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it's almost impossible it is a concept like SFAM, most probably the lyrics will be related to a common theme (light/darkness, dream, ecc..) like ADTOE (dramatic stories), and Black Clouds (real stories, autobiographical events). Also we are expecting some reprises of musical themes, but that's part of their own style and we see that in most of their albums.
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Btw, Watershed was released three years before ADTOE ;)
He probs meant Heritage :)
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it's almost impossible it is a concept like SFAM, most probably the lyrics will be related to a common theme (light/darkness, dream, ecc..) like ADTOE (dramatic stories), and Black Clouds (real stories, autobiographical events). Also we are expecting some reprises of musical themes, but that's part of their own style and we see that in most of their albums.
Where does AROP fit into the Black Clouds "theme"?
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Prediction
4:26 - 4:52 of Enigma Machine is going to blow minds
(disclaimer: This is based on absolutely nothing.)
Saving this for when the CD is out ;D
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Where does AROP fit into the Black Clouds "theme"?
It doesn't. AROP doesn't fit the concept. The lyrics of the other songs are about "bad things" that turn out good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_lining_(idiom)
ANTR is about a car accident without casualties. Wither about writer's bock defeated by a song about writer's block. TSF about how MP defeats his addiction and becomes a stronger person. TBOT about the good memories MP keeps from his dying father. TCOT about a horror story that turns out to be a misunderstanding (albeit very badly told).
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Would you rather have an 80 minute CD of half-assed and weak but long songs with an amazing drum sound and solos all over the place ?
Or
A 40 minute CD of the absolute best music Dream Theater have ever done even if the drums sound like they do on ADToE again ?
Second option for me because length does not equal quality.
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Prediction
4:26 - 4:52 of Enigma Machine is going to blow minds
(disclaimer: This is based on absolutely nothing.)
Saving this for when the CD is out ;D
We'll all laugh when it turns out Enigma Machine is shorter than 3 minutes.
it's almost impossible it is a concept like SFAM, most probably the lyrics will be related to a common theme (light/darkness, dream, ecc..) like ADTOE (dramatic stories), and Black Clouds (real stories, autobiographical events). Also we are expecting some reprises of musical themes, but that's part of their own style and we see that in most of their albums.
Where does AROP fit into the Black Clouds "theme"?
BC&SL tells stories of things that are horrible (black clouds) yet end nicely (silver linings). It's there in every single song on the record. Ever heard of what a Rite of Passage actually is? It's a ritual or a tradition of passing from one state into another. Traditionally it's the growing up of a boy into manhood and he's tasked with some stuff he must achieve to get to the 'other side', to become a 'man'. I suppose the 'black cloud' here is the challenge itself, while the outcome, the result of the rite of passage is the 'silver lining'.
Note: I could be wrong here
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AROP is about free masonry isn't it?
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It is.
Edit: My point is, that having a "theme" doesn't mean that every song has to fit.
Edit: Of course you could always make it fit if you wish and if the lyrics have room for interpretation.
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I wanted a concept album. DT is a concept album
Seriously :facepalm:. Why do people still believe that? There is absolutely no evidence.
To be fair, there's no evidence either way. I still have a hunch that it will have a concept of sorts.
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AROP is about free masonry isn't it?
And freemasonry is exactly that; a fraternal organisation that requires a rite of passage for a boy to transcend into manhood. At least, that's what the stories tell.
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I wanted a concept album. DT is a concept album
Seriously :facepalm:. Why do people still believe that? There is absolutely no evidence.
To be fair, there's no evidence either way. I still have a hunch that it will have a concept of sorts.
And given a lack of evidence, the default position is that it's not a concept album, not that there's a 50/50 chance it could go either way.
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You're right. But I don't see why speculating that it is a concept album is such a problem for some people. It's only a bit of fun.
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There's nothing at all wrong with speculation (after all, this is DTF, and we are the masters of speculation!), the issue here was mostly LBC stating almost as fact that it definitely was a concept album, currently with no evidence to support it, let alone prove it.
Maybe it is a concept album, maybe it isn't. Personally, I don't see any reason for the discussion even coming up, as there's no proof at all imo. And I don't know why some people love the idea of a concept album so much to begin with (and I say this as a guy with SFAM as my #2 DT album). Maybe it's just another one of those prog things I'll never understand. :biggrin:
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Fair enough, though LBC did have a wink by his post.
While I agree there's no proof, I'm slightly encouraged (probably naively) by a few odd words let slip by band members. JP mentioned in one interview that there was a real focus to the album ( or something along those lines); JR in the latest In Studio video used the word 'concept' when describing the process that goes into making an album. I'm also keeping in mind the fact that before MP left, they were about to head into the studio to write a concept album.
Yes it's hopeful, yes it's speculation, but this is the first time that I've genuinely had an inkling about a DT album. It also helps that I love SFAM. :lol
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Also the concept is always explained in the title: Octavarium (number 8), A Dramatic Turn of Events, Black Clouds and Silver Linings (as you've already said). The next one hasn't got a title, so it's pretty unlikely we'll have a clear concept
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Also the concept is always explained in the title: Octavarium (number 8), A Dramatic Turn of Events, Black Clouds and Silver Linings (as you've already said). The next one hasn't got a title, so it's pretty unlikely we'll have a clear concept
Only one of those is a concept album in my opinion. And just because that is a pattern that exists in the past, it doesn't act as a requirement of the new record (which does have a title). Even if it did, who's to say it's not going to be a concept album about a Theater of Dreams? :lol
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I was a thumbs up, not a wink. The wink is just incidental!
To me those things sound pretty standard for DT, even for a non concept album. I'm sure they've talked about having a clear focus and a theme/concept to an album for many of their albums (maybe not in those exact words, but terms that could easily be interpreted that way).
Just to make it clear, I'm not trying to negate the idea, I just don't personally feel like there's been enough evidence to have any expectation of one. I really won't mind either way, as long as it's good music, I just don't fully understand why some people get so excited at the idea. :dunno: And again, that's even taking into account that I think SFAM is damn near untouchable!
Also the concept is always explained in the title: Octavarium (number 8), A Dramatic Turn of Events, Black Clouds and Silver Linings (as you've already said). The next one hasn't got a title, so it's pretty unlikely we'll have a clear concept
Only one of those is a concept album in my opinion. And just because that is a pattern that exists in the past, it doesn't act as a requirement of the new record (which does have a title). Even if it did, who's to say it's not going to be a concept album about a Theater of Dreams? :lol
None of them is a concept album! DAAAAAAHHHHH it's going to be a long night. :lol
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Haha, I think the argument can be made for 8V. But let's not go into that again :lol
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Haha, I think the argument can be made for 8V. But let's not go into that again :lol
Instead of arguing it, I'll just agree to disagree and add this-
If you consider Octavarium a concept album, then I don't think it's anywhere near as far fetched that the new album would meet the same criteria. But I don't see it being a concept album in the same sense as SFAM.
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I also think that's more likely. Finally we reach agreement!
Though I'd prefer a full-on concept like SFAM.
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:hifive:
Hooray! Now back to our regular scheduled programming of debating whether the album will be 70 minutes in length, or only 69:45 in length.
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Oh god, first the prog vs progressive argument, now the concept album argument-I'll see this part of the forums when a single arrives. :lol
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But will there be a single? /anotherrecycleddebate
Back on topic, I can't be the only one hoping to hear more classic synthesizer sounds from JR on this album?
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As far as I know, promo copies will be around in mid-august, so I think we can expect a single in the first days of the next month, just in time for the pre-orders.
Also, seems like Tio Emilio keeps talking about the album:
(https://i.imgur.com/0cIxh6j.jpg)
No, there's no big changes at all.
It reminds me, like ADTOE, to the old Dream Theater from Scenes form A Memory and previous albums. It has more accessible choruses, and more "songs", but there is some mad things too. Even the instrumental is a "song"...
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Insightful stuff. Now I'm a believer! :lol
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Ugh... I'm disappointed. I wasn't expecting the instrumental to be a song at all :tdwn
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Ugh... I'm disappointed. I wasn't expecting the instrumental to be a song at all :tdwn
:lol
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So, it reminds him not only of A Dramatic Turn of Events - but crucially, every preceding Dream Theater album as well
Well i think that's all we need to know.
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The spanish review talks about a "eletronic drum sound" on DT12... maybe it sounds like the drums sound on James Labrie's EoP (same engineer and mixer, remember?). It sounds a bit triggered there, but I think it's cool and miles better than the one o ADToE. And less keyboard solos doesn't mean less keyboard on the cd... Awake has few keyboard solos and I think the keys arrangements are also very cool.
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Insightful stuff. Now I'm a believer! :lol
But an instrumental "IS" a song!! :lol
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You guys :lol
I'll try to explain the meaning he's intending with "song". Put it this way: it would be more like Ytse Jam, but not like TDOE, for example. That meaning it'd have something similar to a classic song structure.
And for the rest of the tracklist, I suppose he's referring to the same thing: classic structure, short and concise songs. Nothing new, really, but that's it.
I don't know how to explain it better, sorry :-\
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Yeah, I got what he was trying to say and the description sounds promising, because I don't want another TDOE :)
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wait... have we established the credibility of this guy or are we just taking his word for it because we're so desperate for DT news? :lol
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wait... have we established the credibility of this guy or are we just taking his word for it because we're so desperate for DT news? :lol
I still don't really believe him that much, but yeah, we're all really pent up for news.
And am I the only one here who likes TDOE?
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wait... have we established the credibility of this guy or are we just taking his word for it because we're so desperate for DT news? :lol
I still don't really believe him that much, but yeah, we're all really pent up for news.
And am I the only one here who likes TDOE?
Nope, I like it too. When I listen to SFAM, I listen to all of it, I don't skip TDOE or anything else. No need to. :hat
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the description sounds promising
yep
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wait... have we established the credibility of this guy or are we just taking his word for it because we're so desperate for DT news? :lol
I still don't really believe him that much, but yeah, we're all really pent up for news.
And am I the only one here who likes TDOE?
TDOE was in the top 5 of my rankings thread - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35446.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35446.0)
Still my favorite instrumental track the band has done.
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Nothing beats Overture 1928 :heart
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Nothing beats Eve :heart
FTFM
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We're doing this then? Ok.
Nothing beats Hell's Kitchen :heart
FTFM
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We're doing this then? Ok.
Nothing beats Hell's Kitchen :heart
FTFM
:tup
However...
Nothing beats Octavarium :heart
FTFM
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We're doing this then? Ok.
Nothing beats Hell's Kitchen :heart
FTFM
holy shit I was literally going to post the exact same thing :|
hells kitchen doesn't get enough love imo. :metal
Also i'm not taking that guys incredibly uninformative synopsis seriously at all unless someone can demonstrate why I should believe him lol.
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Nothing beats Octavarium :heart
FTFM
But... we were doing instrumentals.
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Ugh... I'm disappointed. I wasn't expecting the instrumental to be a song at all :tdwn
:lol
Well, for what it's worth, a "song" technically requires lyrics. We on DTF (and I think the rock community in general) misuses that word.
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Nothing beats Octavarium :heart
FTFM
But... we were doing instrumentals.
Octavarium can be whatever the hell it wants to be ;D
On a side note, I think I get what Jose Cuervo up there said in his review, and I could stand the instrumental having a "song"-like structure. SOC kinda has that structure, and that's my favorite instrumental. We shall see. Oh yes, we shall see.
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We're doing this then? Ok.
Nothing beats Hell's Kitchen :heart
FTFM
:tup
However...
Nothing beats Octavarium :heart
FTFM
:lol
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is it possible to have a link of the spanish forum? just to satisfy my curiosity...
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Cool stuff is coming in about 15 minutes.
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What???
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What???
I said:
Hey, guys. Don't log off. Cool stuff is coming in about 15 minutes.
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Single? Or is that too cool?
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Well, I could answer that. But since I still have 12 minutes to go, I'd have to kill myself.
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Cool stuff is coming in about 15 minutes.
:panicattack:
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:omg:
:omg:
:omg:
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Hypothetically speaking, IF it was a single, which track would it be? And if it's not, choose a random number from 1 to 9 inclusive just for the heck of it.
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Track 10.
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I always wait for something every tuesday at 11 a.m. ;D
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Prob Episode #3.
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Prob Episode #3.
That would rock.
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Considering it's bosk announcing it, I'm guessing it's something to do with the forum. New forum theme, perhaps? Or perhaps a new VIP member is going to make their presence known?
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wow and I was just about to go to bed! (it's 12:51 am here).
inb4 in the studio part 3 and the lack of info extracted from said video.
:corn
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Considering it's bosk announcing it, I'm guessing it's something to do with the forum. New forum theme, perhaps? Or perhaps a new VIP member is going to make their presence known?
Incorrect. For now...
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:bosky: :vaderloungin:
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My "what???" was just a cry of exaltation. Can't wait!!!!
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Just when I'm on the train. Luckily phones have internet though. I'll wait patiently another 3 minutes.
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Track 10.
:lol Bonus track as a single. Some band did that recently, they released a single that ended up being a bonus track for the album...can't remember who...
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Juicy :corn
Edit: And I never log off!
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Dream Theater - In The Studio Part 3 (Official Video) is now live: https://youtu.be/JIzd4zAT6Hs
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YARRRRRRR
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Cool.
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OOOOOOO
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HOORAY!
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old news :biggrin:
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:lol
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BASS SOLO?!?!?!
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:panicattack:
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So I guess we all new that False Awakening Suite would be a big instrumental.
Did I hear new music or was that just me?
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A bit embarresed to be the guy who brings up Periphery or Tesseract but their albums have one thing that Dream Theater can learn from. The song structures. Not a single song on these albums follow the traditional structure of intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-somethingelse-chorus-outro. I would love to see that on a Dream Theater album.
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I don't think there was anything new... .but I could be wrong.
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So I guess we all new that False Awakening Suite would be a big instrumental.
Did I hear new music or was that just me?
I didn't notice. What's the timestamp?
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These videos make me so happy ;D
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So I guess we all new that False Awakening Suite would be a big instrumental.
Did I hear new music or was that just me?
I didn't notice. What's the timestamp?
1:17 I think is a song we already know, but 0:34 is new
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C'mon man! Another boring in studio video with no new information. We're eager to hear new music :( Desperation is growing!
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At around 0:39, I'm pretty sure that's part of a new song (besides that silly part that starts at 0:35)
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Well that video came at the right time. Just as we were getting bored.
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there is no new music to be heard in the video.
"new" information as of this video:
>bass solo
>orchestral section in illumination theory
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So I guess we all new that False Awakening Suite would be a big instrumental.
Did I hear new music or was that just me?
I didn't notice. What's the timestamp?
1:17 I think is a song we already know, but 0:34 is new
1:17 is from Solitary Shell. I don't even know what to make of that other bit. :lol
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I don't think there was anything new...
Yep :\
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bussufa do gong DEEN bong rippy ganggang dodorougong dodong bing
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bussufa do gong DEEN bong rippy ganggang dodorougong dodong bing
I just realized, JM is not in that room. He is the one doing the vocals! I'm calling it now. JM scat solo.
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Well, I called the first song as an instrumental intro/band anthem. Yeah!
Otherwise, kinda cool video. But lots of stuff we hear every time, plus still no new music. I don't know about you guys, but there's something kinda unexciting about how all these videos utilize ADTOE music.
So unless someone's got something on the CSI filter, the update was really just another tease.
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so will that vocal bit be on?
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Well, I called the first song as an instrumental intro/band anthem. Yeah!
yep same here! :tup
I'm getting really sick of hearing that first part of BMUBMD.
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Lyrics for the new song:
"Pushaba boo ka keen
baam ripi cancan dudorucduan dadan deen"
:neverusethis:
EDIT: shit, too late...
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so will that vocal bit be on?
I hope not...cause it's funny but I don't see the utility to put it into a song, I prefer other kind of effects between tracks (those in ADTOE were suggestive and atmospheric)
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I think it would be funny, and we don't actually know what song it's a part of, so it may or may not be out of place.
ENIGMA MACHINE, I JUST REALIZED
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I love Rich Chycki's "aw yiss mothafukin guitarrr solo" face while JP plays.
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What's the point in posting in studio videos with little new information. Bass solo...anthemic first song for live setting...cohesive album...I'd rather read it
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Well, you don't have to watch the videos if you don't want to.
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I bet the song with the weird vocals is Enigma Machine, just think about it.
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I bet the song with the weird vocals is Enigma Machine, just think about it.
If EM will be the instrumental, I doubt it.
But I do hope this section will make it to the album.
But if you listen very closely, you can hear the word 'sample'.
I think they just tested it.
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bosk posted on the DT12 fact finder thread that "all three" in-studio videos were posted.
IS THIS THE LAST ONE/WE'RE GETTING A SINGLE/ :panicattack:
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Little participation from James, Mike and John Myung on the videos. Labrie and Mangini are terribly funny!!!!!!!
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Rumors say that the awaited single will be posted by the time this thread has 100 pages-
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Rumors say that the awaited single will be posted by the time this thread has 100 pages-
You heard it here first, people. New single by the end of the week! :neverusethis:
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Rumors say that the awaited single will be posted by the time this thread has 100 pages-
You heard it here first, people. New single by the end of the day! :neverusethis:
FTFY :tup
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I still think JP might mean just Sleep Paralysis as a section is instrumental. I can't see a 2 or 3 minute track - which it must be if it's going to be an intro tape - being called a suite.
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I still think JP might mean just Sleep Paralysis as a section is instrumental. I can't see a 2 or 3 minute track - which it must be if it's going to be an intro tape - being called a suite.
I agree. Sleep Paralysis will play over the speakers, and then the band will come on to play the rest of the Suite.
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Rumors say that the awaited single will be posted by the time this thread has 100 pages-
Actually, yes. AS long as this thread reaches 100 pages at precisely :censored , then, yes, the awaited single will be posted when this thread reaches 100 pages.
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Rumors say that the awaited single will be posted by the time this thread has 100 pages-
You heard it here first, people. New single by the end of the week! :neverusethis:
No, not quite that quickly.
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Rumors say that the awaited single will be posted by the time this thread has 100 pages-
You heard it here first, people. New single by the end of the week! :neverusethis:
No, not quite that quickly.
That's what she.......... I mean, you're right.
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Well, since that was apparently the last studio video, I won't be surprised if we see the single in less than a week.
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Well, since that was apparently the last studio video, I won't be surprised if we see the single in less than a week.
I would. I'd expect a single to be as far away from the newest Studio Update as all the other updates were from each other so DT stays on a consistent schedule. Maybe even farther away.
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Great Vid !
Could someone transcribe what JP is saying at 1:02 ???
I can't get it.
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Well, since that was apparently the last studio video, I won't be surprised if we see the single in less than a week.
No, not quite that quickly.
I agree with hefdaddy here. I somehow feel they would have announced that already ("single will be released SOON....").
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I won't be surprised if we don't see it before half of August comes crawling by. And I'm fine with it, I'll try to only hear it twice. Or once if I dare.
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Oh lord. I'm not sure how I feel about the sound effects at 0:34 :lol
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Then, when all of us are enjoying it, a hundred more pages will be written. I hope that the majority of us are satisfied with the first song available:)
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Well, since that was apparently the last studio video, I won't be surprised if we see the single in less than a week.
I would. I'd expect a single to be as far away from the newest Studio Update as all the other updates were from each other so DT stays on a consistent schedule. Maybe even farther away.
Only a week ago was #2 released, and then a month and 10 days before that the first one was released. I wouldn't say "consistent".
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Oh lord. I'm not sure how I feel about the sound effects at 0:34 :lol
I hope they won't be on the album.
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Great Vid !
Could someone transcribe what JP is saying at 1:02 ???
I can't get it.
"Amongst a sort of a sea of short song forms"
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Well, since that was apparently the last studio video, I won't be surprised if we see the single in less than a week.
I would. I'd expect a single to be as far away from the newest Studio Update as all the other updates were from each other so DT stays on a consistent schedule. Maybe even farther away.
Only a week ago was #2 released, and then a month and 10 days before that the first one was released. I wouldn't say "consistent".
Oh... Forget what I said then :lol
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here's the possible first bit of the album...I reproduced it slower and the first word seems 'sample' to me
https://speedy.sh/jefZE/DT-sample.mp3
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
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Hey guys! DT members, crew and roadrunner are teasing us. They have not entered the studio to record an album :) hahahaha
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
Bosk plz :'(
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
:omg:
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Dude, I've got a doctor's appointment. I need to shower. You're killing me here.
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At what time will this information be posted? Thanks.
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
Not sure if serious...
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:lol
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lol if its tour date announcements i'll be pissed.
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Chocolate cake through the internet cable? The actual CSI filter? Mike Mangini in underwear?
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dang it bosky, you're torturing us!
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Chocolate cake through the internet cable? The actual CSI filter? Mike Mangini in underwear?
trying not to make homoerotic comments....
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
:caffeine: and :'( at the same time.
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Chocolate cake through the internet cable? The actual CSI filter? Mike Mangini in underwear?
trying not to make homoerotic comments....
It would be more fun if ya did tho' :'(
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
:caffeine: and :'( at the same time.
Why :'(?
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:lol Yeah, just messing with you. There will be more cool stuff soon, but not just now.
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SOON
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:soon: = :marriageanalogy:
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:dammitbosk:
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The news which are about to be posted are Live at Luna Park sections with real live audio XD:)
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:lol Yeah, just messing with you. There will be more cool stuff soon, but not just now.
DAMNIT BOSK! totally not cool man...
:lol + >:( right now
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:justshootme:
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If I hear 'soon' once more....
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trying not to make homoerotic comments....
As soon as I saw this, I knew either bout to crash or Zydar would be arriving shortly.
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
:caffeine: and :'( at the same time.
Why :'(?
THE FUCKING TEASING ALL THE TIME!!
:lol Yeah, just messing with you. There will be more cool stuff soon, but not just now.
:suicideemote:
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Soon? Not today? I gotta go and take a shower to carry on.
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
Post of the year.
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
bosk was talking about me. I was the cool stuff that was coming in.
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
Post of the year.
Easily.. Especially in terms of timing :biggrin:
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
bosk was talking about me. I was the cool stuff that was coming in.
This too.
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
Post of the year.
Easily.. Especially in terms of timing :biggrin:
You haven't even been here two months, let alone a year, how can you say that? :biggrin:
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
bosk was talking about me. I was the cool stuff that was coming in.
:zydarscouch:
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
Post of the year.
Easily.. Especially in terms of timing :biggrin:
You haven't even been here two months, let alone a year, how can you say that? :biggrin:
Come on ... I've been following this forum for ages without registration... I was more focused on posting on the MP forum.
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There will be more cool stuff soon, but not just now.
your meaning for 'soon' is the same of RR (a month ;D) or is it ACTUALLY soon? (1 week or less for me)
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Hey, guys. Don't log off. Even more cool stuff is coming in
Post of the year.
Easily.. Especially in terms of timing :biggrin:
You haven't even been here two months, let alone a year, how can you say that? :biggrin:
Come on ... I've been following this forum for ages without registration... I was more focused on posting on the MP forum.
'Twas a playful jab, nothing more.
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Bosk, why isn't there a :soon: emote? :lol
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There will be more cool stuff soon, but not just now.
your meaning for 'soon' is the same of RR (a month ;D) or is it ACTUALLY soon? (1 week or less for me)
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Bosk, why isn't there a :soon: emote? :lol
This gets the job done:
(https://i.imgur.com/KC1RJAS.jpg)
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Hey guys maybe the first track he's talking about (the instrumental opening) isn't part of FAS? Maybe it's just the opening we saw on the board but they didn't include it on the tracklist?
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Hey guys maybe the first track he's talking about (the instrumental opening) isn't part of FAS? Maybe it's just the opening we saw on the board but they didn't include it on the tracklist?
The board had 8 tracks plus an opening and an easter egg. I'm guessing that FAS is the opening.
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Hey guys maybe the first track he's talking about (the instrumental opening) isn't part of FAS? Maybe it's just the opening we saw on the board but they didn't include it on the tracklist?
There's no reason why they shouldn't include the opening track in the tracklist.
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Bosk, why isn't there a :soon: emote? :lol
Okay, there you go.
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:clap: :lol good one
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Do we know why all the track titles were posted in capital letters? Is it to differentiate the song titles from the sections titles?
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Scatman vocal part is a transition between songs. At :38 you can hear the drum sound..... this definitely doesn't suck. :caffeine:
:panicattack:
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Do we know why all the track titles were posted in capital letters? Is it to differentiate the song titles from the sections titles?
Yes.
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I just realized tomorrow is the 24th, maybe new single one month before?? :biggrin:
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I just realized tomorrow is the 24th, maybe new single one month before?? :biggrin:
Two ;)
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Scatman vocal part is a transition between songs. At :38 you can hear the drum sound..... this definitely doesn't suck. :caffeine:
:panicattack:
Do we have any reason to believe that will actually be on the album? The scat thing is fun, but it seems more likely to me that that's an in-studio joke than an actual piece of DT12.
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I just realized tomorrow is the 24th, maybe new single one month before?? :biggrin:
Two ;)
Damn oops, two whole months :(
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Do we have any reason to believe that will actually be on the album? The scat thing is fun, but it seems more likely to me that that's an in-studio joke than an actual piece of DT12.
I hope you are right, I don't know if I could enjoy something like that in a DT album.
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Bosk, why isn't there a :soon: emote? :lol
Okay, there you go.
Well done. :hefdaddy
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How about a Non Album single? I know it wouldn't happen but I think it would be cool. Or maybe a single with an actual non album B side? Even if it's like a live in studio jam or something. IDK
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How about a Non Album single? I know it wouldn't happen but I think it would be cool. Or maybe a single with an actual non album B side? Even if it's like a live in studio jam or something. IDK
A non album single? What would be the point of that, my friend? :lol The whole point of releasing a single is to promote the album. Any song good enough to represent this album should be on the album! You silly head.
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Roadrunner USA confirmed there was a single
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Roadrunner USA confirmed there was a single
...soon
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...and I dare to predict when: Soon.
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How about a Non Album single? I know it wouldn't happen but I think it would be cool. Or maybe a single with an actual non album B side? Even if it's like a live in studio jam or something. IDK
A non album single? What would be the point of that, my friend? :lol The whole point of releasing a single is to promote the album. Any song good enough to represent this album should be on the album! You silly head.
WHAT IF THEY HAD JUST ONE MORE SONG THEY WANTED ON THE RECORD BUT RAN OUT OF ROOM??? DID YOU EVER THINK OF THAT BLOB? HUH? DID YA?
YEA DIDN'T THINK SO!
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Roadrunner USA confirmed there was a single
Really? So the single is confirmed?
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Scatman vocal part is a transition between songs. At :38 you can hear the drum sound..... this definitely doesn't suck. :caffeine:
:panicattack:
we can hear two or three electric guitar notes as well :yarr
https://speedy.sh/jefZE/DT-sample.mp3
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It's confirmed there will be a single! In other news, it was also confirmed that John Petrucci will in fact be playing the guitars on this album.
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It's confirmed there will be a single! In other news, it was also confirmed that John Petrucci will in fact be playing the guitars on this album.
NO WAY! SOURCE?
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How about a Non Album single? I know it wouldn't happen but I think it would be cool. Or maybe a single with an actual non album B side? Even if it's like a live in studio jam or something. IDK
A non album single? What would be the point of that, my friend? :lol The whole point of releasing a single is to promote the album. Any song good enough to represent this album should be on the album! You silly head.
WHAT IF THEY HAD JUST ONE MORE SONG THEY WANTED ON THE RECORD BUT RAN OUT OF ROOM??? DID YOU EVER THINK OF THAT BLOB? HUH? DID YA?
YEA DIDN'T THINK SO!
That's a very interesting idea, it's like saying "so you liked this song? well guess what, in 2 months you'll be able to get a new album full of more awesome stuff like this, all of which you haven't heard of!" and you avoid the problem of burning a song from the album, leaving pure fresh content. I like it.
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Francesco Pomona @FrancescoPomona 19 jul
@rrusa Any plan for a single from new DT album?
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@FrancescoPomona Definitely.
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wut
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BASS SOLO?!?!?
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BASS SOLO?!?!?
Take one
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It's confirmed there will be a single! In other news, it was also confirmed that John Petrucci will in fact be playing the guitars on this album.
lol blob stop trolling did rr actually confirm that?
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BASS SOLO?!?!?
Take one
:rollin :tup
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It's confirmed there will be a single! In other news, it was also confirmed that John Petrucci will in fact be playing the guitars on this album.
lol blob stop trolling did rr actually confirm that?
You got me. :blush
It's speculation based on the fact JP said he wanted his guitar to sound like chocolate cake. Based on that, I can gather that he likes chocolate cake. Chocolate cake has ingredients in it. The majority of ingredients are bought from stores. Some stores also sell musical equipment, including guitars. In another recent interview, JP said he plays guitar, so I think he bought one at the same time as he bought the chocolate cake. Therefore, I theorize that the new album may have guitars on it, PLAYED BY JOHN PETRUCCI.
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(https://img541.imageshack.us/img541/9012/mo6w.png)
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Nice video!
But for now, I hope this is the last part of those videos and we finally get to hear something new from this album! :metal
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How about a Non Album single? I know it wouldn't happen but I think it would be cool. Or maybe a single with an actual non album B side? Even if it's like a live in studio jam or something. IDK
A non album single? What would be the point of that, my friend? :lol The whole point of releasing a single is to promote the album. Any song good enough to represent this album should be on the album! You silly head.
WHAT IF THEY HAD JUST ONE MORE SONG THEY WANTED ON THE RECORD BUT RAN OUT OF ROOM??? DID YOU EVER THINK OF THAT BLOB? HUH? DID YA?
YEA DIDN'T THINK SO!
That's a very interesting idea, it's like saying "so you liked this song? well guess what, in 2 months you'll be able to get a new album full of more awesome stuff like this, all of which you haven't heard of!" and you avoid the problem of burning a song from the album, leaving pure fresh content. I like it.
Not sure if serious
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(https://img541.imageshack.us/img541/9012/mo6w.png)
How unhelpful... :(
Oh well, I'm not in too much of a rush to get the single anyhow.
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How about a Non Album single? I know it wouldn't happen but I think it would be cool. Or maybe a single with an actual non album B side? Even if it's like a live in studio jam or something. IDK
A non album single? What would be the point of that, my friend? :lol The whole point of releasing a single is to promote the album. Any song good enough to represent this album should be on the album! You silly head.
WHAT IF THEY HAD JUST ONE MORE SONG THEY WANTED ON THE RECORD BUT RAN OUT OF ROOM??? DID YOU EVER THINK OF THAT BLOB? HUH? DID YA?
YEA DIDN'T THINK SO!
That's a very interesting idea, it's like saying "so you liked this song? well guess what, in 2 months you'll be able to get a new album full of more awesome stuff like this, all of which you haven't heard of!" and you avoid the problem of burning a song from the album, leaving pure fresh content. I like it.
Not sure if serious
Haha, I actually quite like the idea. But I know it will never happen, but I guess with DT you never know....
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Yay I can talk about how FAS is gonna be the concert opener...I hope the first part is the main concert intro track, then the rest the band kicks in.
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I still think JP might mean just Sleep Paralysis as a section is instrumental. I can't see a 2 or 3 minute track - which it must be if it's going to be an intro tape - being called a suite.
I'm pretty sure False Awakening Suite's YARGGG on the album list - so, yeah, all instrumental.
You can call plenty of instrumental things suites, and likewise plenty of short things. Holst's "The Planets" is a suite, and it's entirely instrumental. Handel's written four-minute suites (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf6RfR7YHto). All the track needs to do, based on what we know, is to mutate between three distinct styles. That's easy, there's plenty of time to do that in three or four minutes. No reason False Awakening can't be...
*ahem*
...short and suite.
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It's confirmed there will be a single! In other news, it was also confirmed that John Petrucci will in fact be playing the guitars on this album.
lol blob stop trolling did rr actually confirm that?
You got me. :blush
It's speculation based on the fact JP said he wanted his guitar to sound like chocolate cake. Based on that, I can gather that he likes chocolate cake. Chocolate cake has ingredients in it. The majority of ingredients are bought from stores. Some stores also sell musical equipment, including guitars. In another recent interview, JP said he plays guitar, so I think he bought one at the same time as he bought the chocolate cake. Therefore, I theorize that the new album may have guitars on it, PLAYED BY JOHN PETRUCCI.
I won't believe it until I see John Petrucci at my local store buying Chocolate Fudge cake mix!!
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...short and suite.
:marriageanalogy:
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...short and suite.
:marriageanalogy:
On balance, I think that's probably the correct response.
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No reason False Awakening can't be...
*ahem*
...short and suite.
:biggrin:
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First post! FINALLY!! :D The administration process has literally taken forever!
Anyway, I am incredibly pumped for the new album!!
I wonder when we are getting more "new news", the 3rd studio update was kinda disappointing :/..I am specifically interested in the song lengths and the overall album length...
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Scatman vocal part is a transition between songs. At :38 you can hear the drum sound..... this definitely doesn't suck. :caffeine:
:panicattack:
Do we have any reason to believe that will actually be on the album? The scat thing is fun, but it seems more likely to me that that's an in-studio joke than an actual piece of DT12.
I think that's just MMs way of vocaly highlight certain drum pattern or ideas he have floating around. I do that alot to but of course I don't record them! :lol
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Scatman vocal part is a transition between songs. At :38 you can hear the drum sound..... this definitely doesn't suck. :caffeine:
:panicattack:
Do we have any reason to believe that will actually be on the album? The scat thing is fun, but it seems more likely to me that that's an in-studio joke than an actual piece of DT12.
I think that's just MM way of highlight vocaly certain drum pattern or ideas he have floating around. I do that alot to but of course I don't record them! :lol
Agreed. As a guitarist, I always find myself communicating certain phrases on the drums to the drummer in this manner... :biggrin:
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the scat thing is awesome, it should appear on one of the songs.
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BASS SOLO?!?!?
Take one
:clap:
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Scat singing would be a natural continuation of the throat singing on BITS :D
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Scatman vocal part is a transition between songs. At :38 you can hear the drum sound..... this definitely doesn't suck. :caffeine:
:panicattack:
we can hear two or three electric guitar notes as well :yarr
https://speedy.sh/jefZE/DT-sample.mp3
They sound like cake to me... :metal
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AWESOME. this is the first video where i actually felt like i learned something
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These have been so silent times, even with the Studio parts it feels like some incomplete information, even so, since the start we all see this coming, DT had been teasing us in a good way 'cause even the absence of music the excitement it still's there, all this journey had been and will be interesting and fun in the way that i see xd, waiting for a single detailed 'cause we know that DT always is detailed in his way to make things, last time with ADTOE this things happened so quick, we just had in that time one or two videos but less information and then directly to the single, and the rest is history, i know this will be a massive album, who cares about personal reviews, if it sounds like DT that says a lot for me, just hold guys, the results will be satisfying, even when the single comes out it will still remain a long way.
:yarr
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Scatman vocal part is a transition between songs. At :38 you can hear the drum sound..... this definitely doesn't suck. :caffeine:
:panicattack:
we can hear two or three electric guitar notes as well :yarr
https://speedy.sh/jefZE/DT-sample.mp3
They sound like cake to me... :metal
Sounds like Led Zeppelin's Black Dog to me :D
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Edit: irrelevant
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So the long epic will be in the middle of the album, rather than at the end... Interesting... I wonder how they'll end the album this time around.
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So the long epic will be in the middle of the album, rather than at the end... Interesting... I wonder how they'll end the album this time around.
What? Illumination Theory is the last song on the album...
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I think its because they said "a long epic amongst a sea of shorter songs". But it could just be a general thing.
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Or maybe a single with an actual non album B side? Even if it's like a live in studio jam or something. IDK
YES YES YES :tup I loved how singles in the 90's had lots of b-sides.
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I don't see JMX doing a scat solo...heh...but him doing a spoken word part would be awesome, like an "inner thoughts" type thing for the story.
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I think its because they said "a long epic amongst a sea of shorter songs". But it could just be a general thing.
Yeah, but he also said it was the center piece of the album.
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Whenever I see a wealth of pages has popped up overnight I always get so excited and rush through the pages to see where the big news has been announced :biggrin:
That bass solo sounds very exciting to me, and I can't wait for the single.
What song do you guys think the bass solo will be in? My bet is on instrumental.
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Whenever I see a wealth of pages has popped up overnight I always get so excited and rush through the pages to see where the big news has been announced :biggrin:
That bass solo sounds very exciting to me, and I can't wait for the single.
What song do you guys think the bass solo will be in? My bet is on instrumental.
Actually, the bass solo is the scat thing. The bass is triggering the voice samples, so John Myung is in charge of that whole section. Did you see him in the video where the guys and Rich are listening to that passage? Thought so. You know why? Because he's on the recording room.
Pardon me for my conspiracy theories, folks. Go on.
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I think its because they said "a long epic amongst a sea of shorter songs". But it could just be a general thing.
Yeah, but he also said it was the center piece of the album.
"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
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I think its because they said "a long epic amongst a sea of shorter songs". But it could just be a general thing.
Yeah, but he also said it was the center piece of the album.
Just as Octavarium is, and it's the last song. I think what JP meant was that most songs will be short, except the long epic. It does not mean that it has to be in the middle (or around the middle) of the album.
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Interesting part three. The thing with the sample was hilarious, and I was very intrigued by the ''saddest piece of music'' that Jordan made for the epic.
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I still think JP might mean just Sleep Paralysis as a section is instrumental. I can't see a 2 or 3 minute track - which it must be if it's going to be an intro tape - being called a suite.
I'm pretty sure False Awakening Suite's YARGGG on the album list - so, yeah, all instrumental.
You can call plenty of instrumental things suites, and likewise plenty of short things. Holst's "The Planets" is a suite, and it's entirely instrumental. Handel's written four-minute suites (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf6RfR7YHto). All the track needs to do, based on what we know, is to mutate between three distinct styles. That's easy, there's plenty of time to do that in three or four minutes. No reason False Awakening can't be...
*ahem*
...short and suite.
Hmm, not convinced. I have no problem with a suite being entirely instrumental, but I'm not sure the analogy with classical music works too well, because by that definition a suite MUST be instrumental. DT has referred to A Mind Beside Itself and The Twelve Steps as suites before, so we know the band doesn't work along the same lines.
But my main problem is the issue of length. Even three minutes is too long for an intro tape in my opinion, and I can't see how they can call a 2.5 minute long track a suite. But we'll see. I'm just not relying too much on the whiteboard we saw in the video.
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^ It's possible that instead of having the intro play over the PA, they actually perform it. JP did mention they often use a movie soundtrack as the intro. On the CiM tour, they opened with Also Sprach Zarathustra from Space Odyssey: 2001 I believe? Anyway, they actually performed it instead of just playing it over the speakers so they could be doing that.
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He says 'technically' it's an instrumental. There might be some spoken word stuff or something.
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Having just watched the Dream Is Collapsing Intro video on the 2012 tour, that was roughly 2:50 in length. So 3 minutes isnt an entirely unlikely length for the intro video for this upcoming tour
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^ It's possible that instead of having the intro play over the PA, they actually perform it. JP did mention they often use a movie soundtrack as the intro. On the CiM tour, they opened with Also Sprach Zarathustra from Space Odyssey: 2001 I believe? Anyway, they actually performed it instead of just playing it over the speakers so they could be doing that.
As far as I'm aware, that's the only time they've done that, and it sounds like a bit of an MP idea. But possibly. I'm open to ideas :lol
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And on 6DOIT, they had the overture over the speakers, then the band started with About To Crash.
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Well that's a different case altogether, because Overture is part of the same song.
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"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
Then it shouldn't be called a centerpiece, especially when coupled with a statement like 'in the sea' of shorter songs. It's misleading. :yeahright
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A played intro would be so cool.
But I just don't see this opening as an overture, don't know why...
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"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
Then it shouldn't be called a centerpiece, especially when coupled with a statement like 'in the sea' of shorter songs. It's misleading. :yeahright
Centerpiece simply means it's kind of the main event so to speak. "Among a sea of shorter songs" simply means that there's mostly shorter songs on the disc. He never stated where these tracks lie on the album.
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"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
Then it shouldn't be called a centerpiece, especially when coupled with a statement like 'in the sea' of shorter songs. It's misleading. :yeahright
Centerpiece simply means it's kind of the main event so to speak. "Among a sea of shorter songs" simply means that there's mostly shorter songs on the disc. He never stated where these tracks lie on the album.
That is exactly way I understood it as well.
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"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
Then it shouldn't be called a centerpiece, especially when coupled with a statement like 'in the sea' of shorter songs. It's misleading. :yeahright
Well that's a problem you should take up with whoever is in charge of the English language.
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"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
Then it shouldn't be called a centerpiece, especially when coupled with a statement like 'in the sea' of shorter songs. It's misleading. :yeahright
cen·ter·piece
/ˈsentərˌpēs/
Noun
1.) A decorative piece or display placed in the middle of a dining or serving table.
2.) An item or issue intended to be a focus of attention: "the tower is the centerpiece of the park".
Synonyms
centrepiece
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Well that's a different case altogether, because Overture is part of the same song.
JP said he wanted the first track to be like their theme music, so the first part of FAS would be the overture, then the band would start part two....
...or am I way off here?
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Oh right I see what you mean. I agree, I can only see Sleep Paralysis being used as the intro tape, and then the band kick into the rest. Which of course could be entirely instrumental.
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"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
Then it shouldn't be called a centerpiece, especially when coupled with a statement like 'in the sea' of shorter songs. It's misleading. :yeahright
cen·ter·piece
/ˈsentərˌpēs/
Noun
1.) A decorative piece or display placed in the middle of a dining or serving table.
2.) An item or issue intended to be a focus of attention: "the tower is the centerpiece of the park".
Synonyms
centrepiece
:lol That should wrap up the confusion there.
This was definitely the most informative of the three videos. Like others have said, I actually learned something this time. There's a bass solo, the opening track is instrumental, and we also heard about a second of new music. :tup
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Oh right I see what you mean. I agree, I can only see Sleep Paralysis being used as the intro tape, and then the band kick into the rest. Which of course could be entirely instrumental.
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"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
Then it shouldn't be called a centerpiece, especially when coupled with a statement like 'in the sea' of shorter songs. It's misleading. :yeahright
cen·ter·piece
/ˈsentərˌpēs/
Noun
1.) A decorative piece or display placed in the middle of a dining or serving table.
2.) An item or issue intended to be a focus of attention: "the tower is the centerpiece of the park".
Synonyms
centrepiece
:lol That should wrap up the confusion there.
This was definitely the most informative of the three videos. Like others have said, I actually learned something this time. There's a bass solo, the opening track is instrumental, and we also heard about a second of new music. :tup
Yeah, but see, I thought that when he said centerpiece, he was using it as a metaphor, where the album would be the dining table. And obviously, the plates on the dining table are filled with chocolate cake.
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The "centerpiece" of an album can be anywhere, IMO. Octavarium is obviously the centerpiece of that record, and it's at the end.
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
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Standard "your face" joke.
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
and centerpiece is just one of those discussions
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
True, but the lack of concrete facts from RR to discuss is awful as well.
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What lack of concrete facts is there? The album is still two god damned months out, why would they release a ton of information on it this early?
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Yea, between the "prog vs progressive" debate and the mass panic when people thought the album was only 70 minutes...I just thought that would end when we got some new info to chew on. Guess at this point I should've known better.
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What lack of concrete facts is there? The album is still two god damned months out, why would they release a ton of information on it this early?
BECAUSE, DAMMIT!
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Bad topics are the...centerpiece...of this thread
:neverusethis:
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Bad topics are the...centerpiece...of this thread
:neverusethis:
Does that mean I find the worst topics on page 37?
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
True, but the lack of concrete facts from RR to discuss is awful as well.
im not sure what people are expecting. DT already gives out more details than a lot of other bands
also everyone break out the tin foil hats. a suite with the first part instrumental?????
that can only mean this is a recreation of awake. much like ADTOE and I&W!!!11!
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
No one is holding a gun to your head to come post here...
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Well that's a different case altogether, because Overture is part of the same song.
JP said he wanted the first track to be like their theme music, so the first part of FAS would be the overture, then the band would start part two....
...or am I way off here?
I said exactly this two pages back, or more. I immediately thought, so then they might play Sleep Paralysis over the speakers, then the band, or better just the band for night terrors, then JLB comes in for Lucid Dreams, it being the longest of the parts.
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
No one is holding a gun to your head to come post here...
everyone has the right to their opinion on the fact that people are mad JP used the word 'centerpiece' and didn't mean the middle track on the album
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
No one is holding a gun to your head to come post here...
everyone has the right to their opinion on the fact that people are mad JP used the word 'centerpiece' and didn't mean the middle track on the album
Fans have a right to complain about whatever they want. It's part of being a fan.
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exactly so the popular defense of 'No one is holding a gun to your head to come post here' is pointless. there are stupid discussions in this thread and people can say that
refer to dubstep some pages back, 70 mins being too short, centerpiece, etc..
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
No one is holding a gun to your head to come post here...
everyone has the right to their opinion on the fact that people are mad JP used the word 'centerpiece' and didn't mean the middle track on the album
Fans have a right to complain about whatever they want. It's part of being a fan.
And we have the right to point out how dumb many of these complaints are.
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
If the discussions are so awful, by all means change them to something that isn't. What would you like to discuss?
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Is there any known date of when we will get a taste of some new bangin DT tunes?
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Let's discuss how that Pablo guy said there were less JR solos on the album. If that were true, how would you all feel about that?
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Yes, soon. Have you not read the thread? :D
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Let's discuss how that Pablo guy said there were less JR solos on the album. If that were true, how would you all feel about that?
:censored >:( :tdwn
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Yes, soon. Have you not read the thread? :D
No not really... 75 pages... none of them about me. Why?
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Yes, soon. Have you not read the thread? :D
No not really... 75 pages... none of them about me. Why?
Cause it's a serious discussion about the thread's topic, and we're never drifting off this discussion.
:loser:
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
If the discussions are so awful, by all means change them to something that isn't. What would you like to discuss?
Well I tried....but it got overshadowed.
Lets talk about the info that says more about the songs. We got plenty to discuss in the vids, like the acoustic one in pt. 2, and now the reveal of them wanting to do their own concert intro track...plus, is the cool scat the easter egg?
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i wouldn't really mind less keyboard solos,as long as the existent ones are beautifully crafted and emotionally conveyed.
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is the cool scat the easter egg?
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Can only hope for that.
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if there's less solos, then there are less for a reason. throwing in a guitar solo --> key solo --> duel in every song would just be entering Yngwie predictability territory
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"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
Then it shouldn't be called a centerpiece, especially when coupled with a statement like 'in the sea' of shorter songs. It's misleading. :yeahright
The word Centerpiece can be used as a metaphor. I get it, not misleading at all.
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if there's less solos, then there are less for a reason. throwing in a guitar solo --> key solo --> duel in every song would just be entering Yngwie predictability territory
Yeah, that's my line of thought. I'm sure that if there were less, that would make the existing ones on the new album more unique and of higher caliber.
Just a thought. Always love me some JR, of course.
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Talking about JR solos, I'm not sure of what to think, because I really like his solos (like from Lost Not Forgotten, Blind Faith, The Great Debate, Beneath The Surface and even This Is The Life, that is a shorter solo, but really cool), but what truly makes difference in JR sounds IMO, are his harmonies and riffs that ride through the song rhythm and JP riffs (for example, the ending of Solitary Shell, the part before the starting vocals from On The Backs Of Angels, and the section after the solo of Breaking All Illusions)...
If those details that JR inputs into a song aren't lacking in the new album, I'd be ok if there were just 2 or 3 solos.
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JR is pretty hit or miss with me, solo wise. By toning it down hopefully the effect will be more along the lines of 'less is more'.
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I just realized something. If many of the songs are shorter, (<5 minutes on most I guess) I might actually be able to get some of my family to enjoy it
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After having seen all videos, is anyone else a tad bit underwhelmed? Since it all boils down to this anyway and for the sake of time, I would have been just as happy with an image like this instead of all of the videos:
(https://s16.postimg.org/49gg4bjr9/RERK_copy.jpg)
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I don't really understand that meme. Why are words with "er" funny? Not flaming or anything, I just don't get it.
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Well if it's true that there are less JR solos, that will add up for the Awake part 2 theory ::) (not saying I believe in any of this affirmations)
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I don't really understand that meme. Why are words with "er" funny? Not flaming or anything, I just don't get it.
Cuz I'm sort of a moron about certain types of humor. Try it sometime, they have a great 401k and free passes to the local gym.
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After having seen all videos, is anyone else a tad bit underwhelmed? Since it all boils down to this anyway and for the sake of time, I would have been just as happy with an image like this instead of all of the videos:
(https://s16.postimg.org/49gg4bjr9/RERK_copy.jpg)
Change Rerck to RAWK and I'll be happy.
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I just realized something. If many of the songs are shorter, (<5 minutes on most I guess) I might actually be able to get some of my family to enjoy it
So they actually don't enjoy some music just because the songs are long? I've been playing some DT and Haken for my sister a few times, and she actually quite enjoys it. Like she says, there is so much happening that she don't really notice that the songs are long. Anyway, more can be happening in one 20 minute song than five 4 minute songs, and therefore I don't see why anyone mind the length itself.
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I just realized something. If many of the songs are shorter, (<5 minutes on most I guess) I might actually be able to get some of my family to enjoy it
So they actually don't enjoy some music just because the songs are long? I've been playing some DT and Haken for my sister a few times, and she actually quite enjoys it. Like she says, there is so much happening that she don't really notice that the songs are long. Anyway, more can be happening in one 20 minute song than five 4 minute songs, and therefore I don't see why anyone mind the length itself.
It's because of the wankery, the "you don't have to have flying fingers to make a good song" and "what does this 5 minute instrumental section have to do with the song?"
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I think my family rejects long songs just on the basis that they're long.
But then again, they don't like the short songs I listen to either, so...
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Well if it's true that there are less JR solos, that will add up for the Awake part 2 theory ::) (not saying I believe in any of this affirmations)
Because JR didn't play on Awake?
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Well if it's true that there are less JR solos, that will add up for the Awake part 2 theory ::) (not saying I believe in any of this affirmations)
Because JR didn't play on Awake?
because there were not many KM solos on awake
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The only reason I was trying to get my family into Dream Theater was because my entire family loves Rush.
I guess they aren't similar enough.
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Assuming that guy's comments were based on actually having heard the album, I'd be pretty happy if there were fewer (even no) keyboard solos. Much as I love JR, I think his skill (even genius at times) is with textures, harmonies, melodies, overall song-craft, and so on. Not soloing. I love his piano sections (such as in Blind Faith, Outcry and LTE's Universal Mind), because those tend to be what I'm talking about - great harmonies, soft, warm, plush, all that. But those noodling keyboard solos (as in Fatal Tragedy and Endless Sacrifice, for example) do very little for me. This is all just my own preference, of course, I know many others love them.
If I were to make a mental list of my favourite 4 or 5 Dream Theater songs, the common thread in all of them would be that they have superb Petrucci solos, 'dense' layers of keyboard harmonies, zero keyboard solos, a dash of piano, and no 'aggressive' vocals (growling, rapping, etc). ADTOE contained all of these elements are more, so if this new one is said to be even better, then September 24th can't come quickly enough for me.
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Assuming that guy's comments were based on actually having heard the album, I'd be pretty happy if there were fewer (even no) keyboard solos. Much as I love JR, I think his skill (even genius at times) is with textures, harmonies, melodies, overall song-craft, and so on. Not soloing. I love his piano sections (such as in Blind Faith, Outcry and LTE's Universal Mind), because those tend to be what I'm talking about - great harmonies, soft, warm, plush, all that. But those noodling keyboard solos (as in Fatal Tragedy and Endless Sacrifice, for example) do very little for me. This is all just my own preference, of course, I know many others love them.
If I were to make a mental list of my favourite 4 or 5 Dream Theater songs, the common thread in all of them would be that they have superb Pertucci solos, 'dense' layers of keyboard harmonies, zero keyboard solos, a dash of piano, and no 'aggressive' vocals (growling, rapping, etc). ADTOE contained all of these elements are more, so if this new one is said to be even better, then September 24th can't come quickly enough for me.
Lost you there.
j/k, I agree.
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"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
Then it shouldn't be called a centerpiece, especially when coupled with a statement like 'in the sea' of shorter songs. It's misleading. :yeahright
Well that's a problem you should take up with whoever is in charge of the English language.
:lol
Dammit I love you. :lol
Not enough info DT. kingshmeland SMASH!!!
(Blob or bosk, I need a green emote of me for this!) :lol
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I think Jordan has always been in a certain margin of spotlight. Perhaps there have not been too many proper solos on certain albums, but he has backed that up with his presence elsewhere (like setting up ambients, strings/pad/piano sections, unisons or proggier parts). If there are less proper solos, but he compliments that with doing something else like setting melodic or harmonic patterns (where he is the centerpiece) or anything of what I just mentioned, it would be fine for me. If it means less Jordan presence OVERALL, it wouldn't be fine.
In any case, I don't think we'll have less Jordan. Did you see his keyboard setup? Are you considering the fact he has a shitload of apps he used? What about the Seaboard? There's a lot of new stuff Jordan brought into the album which we know as a fact, and I don't think he would've used it for 5 second parts or so on.
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(https://img541.imageshack.us/img541/9012/mo6w.png)
How unhelpful... :(
Oh well, I'm not in too much of a rush to get the single anyhow.
Actually, i also tried to ask them when they're going to release it, needless to say they didn't answer to that (now that i think about it, it's more strange that they didn't say SOON!)
btw, finally some recognition! :D
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Man, RR have GOT to be annoyed. :\
Seriously guys, it's still two months out from the release date, DON'T WORRY, there will be more info as it gets closer. Revocation didn't release a single for their album coming out August 6th until earlier this month.
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Most singles are announced way in advance. The album is out in two months. You normally have a single 1 - 2 months before that and it's announced even sooner.
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Judging on their current modus operandi I won't be surprised if they released the single with just one or two days notice. It's basically what they have been doing since the drummer doc thing, whenever they actually released sensitive information.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they waited until early August or even Mid August, a month or so out seems to be the period that bands release singles, at least from what I've noticed.
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Judging on their current modus operandi I won't be surprised if they released the single with just one or two days notice. It's basically what they have been doing since the drummer doc thing, whenever they actually released sensitive information.
I agree with this.
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Yeah I think it can't be too long until we hear some material from the new album. We're 9 weeks away from release, 9 songs on the album, so maybe we'll get some weekly song snippets (like with ADTOE) starting... soon.
Single maybe parallel with start of pre-orders?
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Soon = 9/24.
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Yeah I think it can't be too long until we hear some material from the new album. We're 9 weeks away from release, 9 songs on the album, so maybe we'll get some weekly song snippets (like with ADTOE) starting... soon.
What song snippets did the band do for ADTOE?
"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
Then it shouldn't be called a centerpiece, especially when coupled with a statement like 'in the sea' of shorter songs. It's misleading. :yeahright
Well that's a problem you should take up with whoever is in charge of the English language.
:lol
Dammit I love you. :lol
omg :heart
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They posted 1 minute cuts from each song every week leading up to the album. You can find them on youtube by search for dream theater snippet. This was after they released the first single though, which was "on the back of angels". I do not know whether they'll do the same thing this time around, what I do know is that the press and other people now has the album and more details are probably coming out through different channels similarly to the spanish(?) forum post...
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"Centerpiece" does not literally mean "in the middle".
Then it shouldn't be called a centerpiece, especially when coupled with a statement like 'in the sea' of shorter songs. It's misleading. :yeahright
Well that's a problem you should take up with whoever is in charge of the English language.
:lol
Dammit I love you. :lol
Not enough info DT. kingshmeland SMASH!!!
(Blob or bosk, I need a green emote of me for this!) :lol
Just use this: :superdude2:
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Helloooo children...
I'm anxious about the new album, but in a negative way. I think that sets me aside from the majority. Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to the album, I want it to be their best, but the feeling it won't meet my expectations is getting bigger as the release date aproaches.
Why do I feel that? First, as appears to be commom sense, self titled albums are big "it's what/who we are" statements. It makes even more sense being the first album "fully loaded" with Mangini, besides having so many self-referent titles about dreams and... theaters. That said, one should expect (at least I do) such an album to crank it up the "top 3 albums" of a large number of fans, as well as having 1 - 2 songs in the top 10 list. But for me, the line is drawn on the real possibility of that happening.
DT is well known for making different sounding albums and bringing new things with each new work. But it looks like that cicle ended briefly with Clouds and Chaos, and I might add ADTOE, despite being miles better then both before, It's still far away from common top-tiers like Words, Scenes or 6 degrees. I really enjoyed ADTOE and it met my expectations AT THE TIME, but I just don't listen to it anymore than other low tier albums. I just find myself listening to 10 year + songs from their catalog, with one or other exceptions...
I might also add that a 4 album "stagnation" would mean, at least for me, a huge disappointment and a shift in the way I relate to the band's music and new releases, as it holds a special place for broadening my musical spectrum, introducing me to prog, making me search new bands and styles and helping me be a better musician. But today, other bands - some in the same style - get much more attention and time from me.
After 2005, they seem a bit lost, maybe not "lost", but too much conservative, "playing safe". I would even say "stale", with all consequences and memories implied by using that word in "THE" DT forum. To wrap it up, I just really hope what they set in 2011 is a real change in direction, I just had this feeling maybe ADTOE = WDADU, implying a new beggining and XII=IAW, a new level of Prog Awesomeness... But the more I think about it, the more It seems that's not gonna happen.
Peace and Prog
LW
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Welcome!
I try not to set my expectations too high. I imagine DT12 will be a mid tier album, better than everything after SDOIT, WDADU, and FII. However, not as good as the remainders.
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Helloooo children...
I'm anxious about the new album, but in a negative way. I think that sets me aside from the majority. Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to the album, I want it to be their best, but the feeling it won't meet my expectations is getting bigger as the release date aproaches.
Why do I feel that? First, as appears to be commom sense, self titled albums are big "it's what/who we are" statements. It makes even more sense being the first album "fully loaded" with Mangini, besides having so many self-referent titles about dreams and... theaters. That said, one should expect (at least I do) such an album to crank it up the "top 3 albums" of a large number of fans, as well as having 1 - 2 songs in the top 10 list. But for me, the line is drawn on the real possibility of that happening.
DT is well known for making different sounding albums and bringing new things with each new work. But it looks like that cicle ended briefly with Clouds and Chaos, and I might add ADTOE, despite being miles better then both before, It's still far away from common top-tiers like Words, Scenes or 6 degrees. I really enjoyed ADTOE and it met my expectations AT THE TIME, but I just don't listen to it anymore than other low tier albums. I just find myself listening to 10 year + songs from their catalog, with one or other exceptions...
I might also add that a 4 album "stagnation" would mean, at least for me, a huge disappointment and a shift in the way I relate to the band's music and new releases, as it holds a special place for broadening my musical spectrum, introducing me to prog, making me search new bands and styles and helping me be a better musician. But today, other bands - some in the same style - get much more attention and time from me.
After 2005, they seem a bit lost, maybe not "lost", but too much conservative, "playing safe". I would even say "stale", with all consequences and memories implied by using that word in "THE" DT forum. To wrap it up, I just really hope what they set in 2011 is a real change in direction, I just had this feeling maybe ADTOE = WDADU, implying a new beggining and XII=IAW, a new level of Prog Awesomeness... But the more I think about it, the more It seems that's not gonna happen.
Peace and Prog
LW
Well, I really enjoy the band's recent output, with Black Clouds And Silver Linings being my third favorite DT album. So i can't really say I agree with you.
Also, welcome to the forum.
edit: blasted italics. I should always preview my posts first...
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First, as appears to be commom sense, self titled albums are big "it's what/who we are" statements. ... That said, one should expect (at least I do) such an album to crank it up the "top 3 albums" of a large number of fans, as well as having 1 - 2 songs in the top 10 list.
I've heard this argument before, but frankly, I don't understand it, and nobody has been able to provide a satisfying explanation for why they think a self-titled album is supposedly automatically supposed to be a statement that carries with it certain expectations. I think it's terribly misguided to have expectations about how good an album supposedly is because of an album title.
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This is why bands shouldn't release self-titled albums. It would spare many people confusion.
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I don't think there is any doubt, judging by what the band has said so far about the title and why they chose it, that expectations
should be very high. They are saying this album is the epitome of who we are as band. It represents what we feel is our best.
Now...having said that I will not enable their statements to affect my expectations. Like I said before I will do what I have always
done with a new DT album. I'll be alone and in a very focused state when I hear it and I will see how the music connects with me.
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First, as appears to be commom sense, self titled albums are big "it's what/who we are" statements. ... That said, one should expect (at least I do) such an album to crank it up the "top 3 albums" of a large number of fans, as well as having 1 - 2 songs in the top 10 list.
I've heard this argument before, but frankly, I don't understand it, and nobody has been able to provide a satisfying explanation for why they think a self-titled album is supposedly automatically supposed to be a statement that carries with it certain expectations. I think it's terribly misguided to have expectations about how good an album supposedly is because of an album title.
Bands release self-titled albums all the time. It happens. Dream Theater might be making a statement of identity, but if they are, that's a Dream Theater thing, and not a self-titled album thing. Are Zeppelin's first 3 albums big "this is who we are" statements? What about the majority of Chicago's albums?
DT12 will be a probably be a pretty normal DT album. The title probably won't mean that much in the long run. Don't go into it with any expectations about how good the title means it's supposed to be and you'll be happier.
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I don't think there is any doubt, judging by what the band has said so far about the title and why they chose it, that expectations
should be very high. They are saying this album is the epitome of who we are as band. It represents what we feel is our best.
Yeah, but they say that about every album.
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I have decided to not listen to the single. Instead it will be fun to come here and read all of the comments. I will be happy with the release as long there is a big improvement with the drums.
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I've heard this argument before, but frankly, I don't understand it, and nobody has been able to provide a satisfying explanation for why they think a self-titled album is supposedly automatically supposed to be a statement that carries with it certain expectations. I think it's terribly misguided to have expectations about how good an album supposedly is because of an album title.
I surely understand that. Self - titled albums aren't predestined to be the best, but the specific juncture in the band's story backs that up - Mangini consolidation, the song titles... At least for me.
But my strong point's still the possible 4 mid/low album run. Every 3 albums or so we have a milestone
Welcome!
I try not to set my expectations too high. I imagine DT12 will be a mid tier album, better than everything after SDOIT, WDADU, and FII. However, not as good as the remainders.
I don't try it either. But the sequence of Clouds, Chaos and ADTOE, it kinds of frighten me
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First, as appears to be commom sense, self titled albums are big "it's what/who we are" statements. ... That said, one should expect (at least I do) such an album to crank it up the "top 3 albums" of a large number of fans, as well as having 1 - 2 songs in the top 10 list.
I've heard this argument before, but frankly, I don't understand it, and nobody has been able to provide a satisfying explanation for why they think a self-titled album is supposedly automatically supposed to be a statement that carries with it certain expectations. I think it's terribly misguided to have expectations about how good an album supposedly is because of an album title.
Bands release self-titled albums all the time. It happens. Dream Theater might be making a statement of identity, but if they are, that's a Dream Theater thing, and not a self-titled album thing. Are Zeppelin's first 3 albums big "this is who we are" statements? What about the majority of Chicago's albums?
DT12 will be a probably be a pretty normal DT album. The title probably won't mean that much in the long run. Don't go into it with any expectations about how good the title means it's supposed to be and you'll be happier.
I don't think there is any doubt, judging by what the band has said so far about the title and why they chose it, that expectations
should be very high. They are saying this album is the epitome of who we are as band. It represents what we feel is our best.
Yeah, but they say that about every album.
The above two posts nailed it. They have said nothing about self-titling the album somehow equating to this album being the end-all-be-all of albums. Nothing whatsoever. People who want to read that into what the band has said are projecting their own expectations rather than listening to what the band has actually said.
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I guess how good it will be will depend on:
a) They make an album that has all of the DT elements like they said and they try to please the DT fans by doing so.
b) They do whatever the hell they want and it just happens to sound like DT because that's who they are.
I hope for "b". I think that would be a better product. ADTOE is an excellent album, and my favorite DT album by far, but maybe they played it a little bit safe and just wanted to show their fans that they would still be the same group we all love even without Portnoy. I also would not blame them one bit for doing this...... it's an intelligent move. However I think that now they are comfortable that the vast majority of fans still love them, or even love them more with Mangini, they will step out with option "b".
Of course if they actually do step out with something different people will bitch that they didn't stay the same.
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I don't try it either. But the sequence of Clouds, Chaos and ADTOE, it kinds of frighten me
To each his own. I know for me, after Systematic Chaos, Black Clouds, and ADTOE, I'm saying "Wow, that's 10 homeruns in a row. Let's see if they have 11 in them."
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I don't try it either. But the sequence of Clouds, Chaos and ADTOE, it kinds of frighten me
To each his own. I know for me, after Systematic Chaos, Black Clouds, and ADTOE, I'm saying "Wow, that's 10 homeruns in a row. Let's see if they have 11 in them."
I agree with this.
edit: But WDADU is awesome, too.
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Just watched the #3 vid again, some cute girls in the string section.....
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Just watched the #3 vid again, some cute girls in the string section.....
They were all fearing the Beartrucci.
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
No one is holding a gun to your head to come post here...
No, not at all! But you see, I've been around here since the DT.net Train of Thought/Octavarium forum days and believe me; I've sticked around because this place has introduced me to great music and some of the discussions and topics here are either very intelligent or very funny. But just to throw in, what I mean by some of the discussions in this thread being awful is that nowadays, it appears the only thing we do is harass RoadRunner in facebook or twitter to ask them for information because people don't know how to wait for anything; the "lack of info" and "this shit's gonna be released *soon*" has created a bunch of speculations and discussions that, in my very humble opinion, are silly and it seems like some people are coming in here to pump their post counts but hey, you're right. Maybe I worded my post wrong, and for that I'm sorry.
Take me for this, there hasn't been a DT album release waiting period as chaotic as this one, and I seem to understand why. Self-titled album/Mangini composing/Instrumental/Band happier than ever/More people join the forum/etc. But I do think some of the behavior since we were all impatient with the Luna Park DVD waiting period is kind of extreme and uncalled for. Remember the posts by Over the Edge Productions? Trying to calm down impatient fans for their constant "WHY NO NEWS?!" screams, even though it wasn't their fault? That's what I mean, that is embarassing (at least in my eyes).
Thanks to them for the facts, by the way!
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That guy said DT12 is better than ADToE so: DT12 > ADTOE > ToT > FII > 8VM > BC&SL > SC > WDaDU. If so I am very happy.
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idk what you're talking about, man. FII > all the ones you listed. And remember that they've said that about SC, our best album we've done! also the same said for FII (which they kind of dislike or at least mp). Of course they'll say it's their best :)
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idk what you're talking about, man. FII > all the ones you listed. And remember that they've said that about SC, our best album we've done! also the same said for FII (which they kind of dislike or at least mp). Of course they'll say it's their best :)
Funny thing how Mike Portnoy was the one that said FII was their best work to date back then and was the one that ended up disliking the album (the others don't seem to have a problem with it, and I personally think it's an amazing record).
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HOW ARE THERE ALREADY RATINGS IN THE PROGARCHIVES.COM PAGE FOR DREAM THEATER DREAM THEATER?? HOWWww
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Guys that received promo copies. That and liars.
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Anyone who's registered on that site can click 5 stars
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Anyone who's registered on that site can click 5 stars
Heh...if they can fake reviews, so can we! Let's see how close the positive reviews are to the final album!
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
No one is holding a gun to your head to come post here...
No, not at all! But you see, I've been around here since the DT.net Train of Thought/Octavarium forum days and believe me; I've sticked around because this place has introduced me to great music and some of the discussions and topics here are either very intelligent or very funny. But just to throw in, what I mean by some of the discussions in this thread being awful is that nowadays, it appears the only thing we do is harass RoadRunner in facebook or twitter to ask them for information because people don't know how to wait for anything; the "lack of info" and "this shit's gonna be released *soon*" has created a bunch of speculations and discussions that, in my very humble opinion, are silly and it seems like some people are coming in here to pump their post counts but hey, you're right. Maybe I worded my post wrong, and for that I'm sorry.
Take me for this, there hasn't been a DT album release waiting period as chaotic as this one, and I seem to understand why. Self-titled album/Mangini composing/Instrumental/Band happier than ever/More people join the forum/etc. But I do think some of the behavior since we were all impatient with the Luna Park DVD waiting period is kind of extreme and uncalled for. Remember the posts by Over the Edge Productions? Trying to calm down impatient fans for their constant "WHY NO NEWS?!" screams, even though it wasn't their fault? That's what I mean, that is embarassing (at least in my eyes).
Thanks to them for the facts, by the way!
I agree with this post.
Also, in response to the part I bolded, those two things aren't mutually exclusive you know. :P
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Just saw episode 3. Oh man, I am pumped for this album!
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idk what you're talking about, man. FII > all the ones you listed. And remember that they've said that about SC, our best album we've done! also the same said for FII (which they kind of dislike or at least mp). Of course they'll say it's their best :)
Funny thing how Mike Portnoy was the one that said FII was their best work to date back then and was the one that ended up disliking the album (the others don't seem to have a problem with it, and I personally think it's an amazing record).
Indeed. But maybe that was before he knew what was going to happen to the album. Personally? I like it the way it turned out better and it's one of my favourite DT albums. Probably above SFAM and on par with SDOIT.
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
No one is holding a gun to your head to come post here...
No, not at all! But you see, I've been around here since the DT.net Train of Thought/Octavarium forum days and believe me; I've sticked around because this place has introduced me to great music and some of the discussions and topics here are either very intelligent or very funny. But just to throw in, what I mean by some of the discussions in this thread being awful is that nowadays, it appears the only thing we do is harass RoadRunner in facebook or twitter to ask them for information because people don't know how to wait for anything; the "lack of info" and "this shit's gonna be released *soon*" has created a bunch of speculations and discussions that, in my very humble opinion, are silly and it seems like some people are coming in here to pump their post counts but hey, you're right. Maybe I worded my post wrong, and for that I'm sorry.
Take me for this, there hasn't been a DT album release waiting period as chaotic as this one, and I seem to understand why. Self-titled album/Mangini composing/Instrumental/Band happier than ever/More people join the forum/etc. But I do think some of the behavior since we were all impatient with the Luna Park DVD waiting period is kind of extreme and uncalled for. Remember the posts by Over the Edge Productions? Trying to calm down impatient fans for their constant "WHY NO NEWS?!" screams, even though it wasn't their fault? That's what I mean, that is embarassing (at least in my eyes).
Thanks to them for the facts, by the way!
For what it's worth, I completely get where you are coming from. And you are one of the most level-headed and fun posters on this forum. But since you have been around since the Octavrium days and have seen every album release since then, just remember: while you are right that some of the speculation and demands for information and impatience are over the top, it is like that for every single release cycle. People are that way because they like the band, which is cool. So even though people may go a bit too far, it's also pretty normal and understandable.
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The discussions in this thread are awful.
No one is holding a gun to your head to come post here...
No, not at all! But you see, I've been around here since the DT.net Train of Thought/Octavarium forum days and believe me; I've sticked around because this place has introduced me to great music and some of the discussions and topics here are either very intelligent or very funny. But just to throw in, what I mean by some of the discussions in this thread being awful is that nowadays, it appears the only thing we do is harass RoadRunner in facebook or twitter to ask them for information because people don't know how to wait for anything; the "lack of info" and "this shit's gonna be released *soon*" has created a bunch of speculations and discussions that, in my very humble opinion, are silly and it seems like some people are coming in here to pump their post counts but hey, you're right. Maybe I worded my post wrong, and for that I'm sorry.
Take me for this, there hasn't been a DT album release waiting period as chaotic as this one, and I seem to understand why. Self-titled album/Mangini composing/Instrumental/Band happier than ever/More people join the forum/etc. But I do think some of the behavior since we were all impatient with the Luna Park DVD waiting period is kind of extreme and uncalled for. Remember the posts by Over the Edge Productions? Trying to calm down impatient fans for their constant "WHY NO NEWS?!" screams, even though it wasn't their fault? That's what I mean, that is embarassing (at least in my eyes).
Thanks to them for the facts, by the way!
For what it's worth, I completely get where you are coming from. And you are one of the most level-headed and fun posters on this forum. But since you have been around since the Octavrium days and have seen every album release since then, just remember: while you are right that some of the speculation and demands for information and impatience are over the top, it is like that for every single release cycle. People are that way because they like the band, which is cool. So even though people may go a bit too far, it's also pretty normal and understandable.
Definitely, I also can see where you're coming from and I agree.
You trained me, remember? :lalalalinc:
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So am I to gather that the False Awakening Suite is rather short and sweet (suite) and explores different moods?
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So am I to gather that the False Awakening Suite is rather short and sweet (suite) and explores different moods?
That's what it sounds like.
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So am I to gather that the False Awakening Suite is rather short and sweet (suite) and explores different moods?
I don't think so. They have IT being an epic at an estimate 20min, that leaves the rest could all be 7.5 min. Long at most. So, going by JP saying the epic is the centerpiece within a sea of shorter songs, you have the possibility of FAS being 7min. If not longer.
That all brings me to my theory of False Awakening Suite...Sleep Paralysis, will be all Orchestra, as having a concert intro being like their recent cinematic openings is what they felt like doing, it'll all lead into Nightmare Terrors kicking off with the introduction of either JP JR or better yet JM, then the band explodes and enters. Either JLB comes in Halfway or they wait till Lucid Dreams.
The best way I can describe it is ITPOE pt.1, just add an orchestral intro like Overture.
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You trained me, remember? :lalalalinc:
If you only knew the power of the dark side.
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You trained me, remember? :lalalalinc:
If you only knew the power of the dark side.
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!
IT WAS SAID THAT YOU WOULD DESTROY THE RR MARKETING TEAM, NOT JOIN THEM!
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Maybe this is misguided and has no basis.. but I don't think they would list the False Awakening Suite in three parts if it was short. Seems more likely to me that each section around 3-4 minutes each, making for a 9-12 minute opener.
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Bass solo - cool!
Fewer keyboard solos - we already knew this from the progress chart in studio update 1, not sure why it's a big deal.
False Awakening Suite being instrumental - JP basically confirmed this. I expect it to be a few minutes long, maybe along the lines of Overture 1928.
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Am I the only one who thought that they implied that the first part of the FAS was an instrumental?
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But hey,
2 months to go!!!!!!!
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Am I the only one who thought that they implied that the first part of the FAS was an instrumental?
No, I'm with you there. Listening back to the clip, it sounds like JP says that the first part of FAS is sort of a "second instrumental". In other words, it's quite likely that the actual 'instrumental' is another song.
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So am I to gather that the False Awakening Suite is rather short and sweet (suite) and explores different moods?
I don't think so. They have IT being an epic at an estimate 20min, that leaves the rest could all be 7.5 min. Long at most. So, going by JP saying the epic is the centerpiece within a sea of shorter songs, you have the possibility of FAS being 7min. If not longer.
That all brings me to my theory of False Awakening Suite...Sleep Paralysis, will be all Orchestra, as having a concert intro being like their recent cinematic openings is what they felt like doing, it'll all lead into Nightmare Terrors kicking off with the introduction of either JP JR or better yet JM, then the band explodes and enters. Either JLB comes in Halfway or they wait till Lucid Dreams.
The best way I can describe it is ITPOE pt.1, just add an orchestral intro like Overture.
I really hope they won't do something like the SDOIT overture again :\
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So am I to gather that the False Awakening Suite is rather short and sweet (suite) and explores different moods?
I don't think so. They have IT being an epic at an estimate 20min, that leaves the rest could all be 7.5 min. Long at most. So, going by JP saying the epic is the centerpiece within a sea of shorter songs, you have the possibility of FAS being 7min. If not longer.
That all brings me to my theory of False Awakening Suite...Sleep Paralysis, will be all Orchestra, as having a concert intro being like their recent cinematic openings is what they felt like doing, it'll all lead into Nightmare Terrors kicking off with the introduction of either JP JR or better yet JM, then the band explodes and enters. Either JLB comes in Halfway or they wait till Lucid Dreams.
The best way I can describe it is ITPOE pt.1, just add an orchestral intro like Overture.
I really hope they won't do something like the SDOIT overture again :\
Why not? With a real orchestra, it would be fucking amazing. The SDOIT Overture is melodic masterpiece.
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Overture is great but for me it doesn't work that great as an intro for the live setup. I would expect something more cinematic in the mood of Dream is Collapsing or Psycho, something to quickly build the energy in the audience.
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I don't think so. They have IT being an epic at an estimate 20min, that leaves the rest could all be 7.5 min. Long at most. So, going by JP saying the epic is the centerpiece within a sea of shorter songs, you have the possibility of FAS being 7min. If not longer.
That all brings me to my theory of False Awakening Suite...Sleep Paralysis, will be all Orchestra, as having a concert intro being like their recent cinematic openings is what they felt like doing, it'll all lead into Nightmare Terrors kicking off with the introduction of either JP JR or better yet JM, then the band explodes and enters. Either JLB comes in Halfway or they wait till Lucid Dreams.
The best way I can describe it is ITPOE pt.1, just add an orchestral intro like Overture.
I don't think that there's going to be an orchestra intro. I imagine FAS like this:
I.Sleep Paralysis: cool keyboard effects/dark and spooky things as a build up (much like TROAE), and an explosion with metal
II.Night Terrors: maaaybe the same part as before (same riffs and stuff), but with vocals, this part would be the longest
III.Lucid Dream: more melodic part with epic solos that leads into TEI, much like ITPOE Part 1 leads into Forsaken.
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1) I pretty much agree with the post above!
2) MAYBE, since there exactly two months left until the album is going to be released, we are going to get something (special) today?! On the other hand, the 3rd studio update was released just yesterday :/
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I think the next bit of info (track lengths, single etc) will come in two weeks. Two weeks tomorrow :corn
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In the last video JP said: "the fun thing about that is this: what the string section is actually playing is a performance that Jordan did one night" he was referring to Illumination Theory.
Do you think it was during a live performance with audience, or just something he came up with one night at home/in the studio?
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In the last video JP said: "the fun thing about that is this: what the string section is actually playing is a performance that Jordan did one night"
Do you think it was during a live performance with audience, or just something he came up with one night at home/in the studio?
Good question! I don't think it it something that's "recycled".....
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Forgot to specify: he was referring to Illumination Theory. The string section is there.
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That's it.
(https://cdn0.meme.li/instances/300x300/39145623.jpg)
Remember this?
So... This.
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Why not? With a real orchestra, it would be fucking amazing. The SDOIT Overture is melodic masterpiece.
I can imagine it being better with a real orchestra istead of the artificial one on the SDOIT overture, but still, that one is waaaaay to long and I personally lose interest in it after about two minutes.
However, if they come up with something like Overture 1928 again, I'll be a very happy guy :)
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To be more precise: I'd be disappointed if they used something Jordan has already done long ago for what "seems" to be the album's strongest song :/
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I thought he was talking about the opener? and I think he may have been referring to Jordans explorations piece? which was also conducted by Eren Basbug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCEVT4rM56Q
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I think it will be more of a cross between Overture and Dream Is Collapsing :o
(I would totally dig that)
@atmyne: Eren, not Erin. This mispelling of the name is one of his least favourite things on Earth :D
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I think it will be more of a cross between Overture and Dream Is Collapsing :o
(I would totally dig that)
@atmyne: Eren, not Erin. This mispelling of the name is one of his least favourite things on Earth :D
what are you talking about? I spelled it correctly XD
Also when I first heard that transcribed midi, the first thing I thought about was Jordan's explorations. I wouldn't be suprised if you analyzed the piece enough you would be able to identify that midi part in the arrangement somewhere...
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I thought he was talking about the opener? and I think he may have been referring to Jordans explorations piece? which was also conducted by Eren Basbug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCEVT4rM56Q
I don't think it will be anything from Explorations, since it's something that's already been published.
Btw, that string part has to be super sad, if you listen to what Jordan says right after. You can find the argument we're discussing from 1:14 to 1:55 of the last In The Studio video.
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It's impossible that they used Explorations for IT. Not when Exps is the centerpiece of the upcoming Jordan Rudess solo project for which thousands of people pledged in the past few months. There may be a stylistical continuity, and moreso if Jordan was prominent in the songwriting, but the same song? No way!
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It's impossible that they used Explorations for IT. Not when Exps is the centerpiece of the upcoming Jordan Rudess solo project for which thousands of people pledged in the past few months. There may be a stylistical continuity, and moreso if Jordan was prominent in the songwriting, but the same song? No way!
Oh I had no idea he had planned to incorporate it into his solo work. If Jordan ever wrote something like explorations for DT (which is what I am secretly hoping :P) it would be the best thing ever.
And it wouldn't be the same thing, but rather a rearrangement that incorporates the rest of the band, and altered song length wise. Although I have to say, listening through it just now, explorations does seem to have 3 different movements to it...
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Two I believe? And it's only the first to be widely available on video recordings, being that it's probably the only one easily playable with just one keyboard. And yes, I agree that a Theaterized version of a song similar to Explorations would crack the top 10 without much sweating.
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That's it.
(https://cdn0.meme.li/instances/300x300/39145623.jpg)
Remember this?
So... This.
(https://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2010/11/30/gif_clint_yes350.gif)
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Two I believe? And it's only the first to be widely available on video recordings, being that it's probably the only one easily playable with just one keyboard. And yes, I agree that a Theaterized version of a song similar to Explorations would crack the top 10 without much sweating.
Wouldn't crack my top 10 :biggrin: I dig Explorations, but I just don't go ga-ga over it. Makes me feel like I'm missing out.
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I said Theaterized :biggrin: (would probably crack my top 10 even as it is now, though). Maybe when you hear the ultimate recording with the hopefully good orchestra you will have a change of heart, but I'm not holding my breath :D
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noxon over to 5/8 (think he's here too) listened to his copy. He hasn't put up any offical thoughts yet, but it seems like he didn't really like it. I forget how he felt about ADTOE.
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Btw, that string part has to be super sad, if you listen to what Jordan says right after. You can find the argument we're discussing from 1:14 to 1:55 of the last In The Studio video.
Incorrect. He gave that as an example of something JP might say to him when asking him to come up with something, he didn't say that that particular section was that way.
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It's funny that reviewers are saying less keyboard solos. The first thing I thought when I read that was Awake...kinda like what I thought when I saw the album cover. Just saying.
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noxon over to 5/8 (think he's here too) listened to his copy. He hasn't put up any offical thoughts yet, but it seems like he didn't really like it. I forget how he felt about ADTOE.
He liked ADTOE a lot.
First rumors (I would not call them reviews) are contradictory...
Noxon doesn't like it. No explanations.
Classi Prog Maz likes it. Different from ADTOE, more melodic etc..
Tbe Brasilians folks like it but not that much. Very similar to ADTOE and horrible drums sound.
Overall I have lowered my expectations...but I'm still not sure all the guys above have listened to the same album... ::)
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I haven't said anything either way. You have to read into the context of the thread what my words are. All I've said is that it's pretty different from what I expected, and that it requires a few more listens before i can categorically state anything about it. I have only heard it a couple of times thus far, and the initial reactions will not necessarily hold true.
This is also why I've refrained from being serious about it thus far :P
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Noxon doesn't like it. No explanations.
Classi Prog Maz likes it. Different from ADTOE, more melodic etc..
Tbe Brasilians folks like it but not that much. Very similar to ADTOE and horrible drums sound.
noxon didn't say explicitly that he doesn't like it, he just said that he needs to give it more listens to overcome being underwhelmed/overwhelmed by expectations. He sort of implies he is not enjoying it in response to one post, but here's a pro five-eight tip for you: it's cool to hate on dream theater, repost avatars, repost spelling/grammatical errors and call people gay virgins. point being: don't take anything anyone says there about DT too seriously lol.
As far as i'm concerned, besides the Classic Prog Magazine review, I don't believe anything anyone has said about the album thus far. Lack of credibility from most of these sources...
EDIT: Oh hi Noxon...
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^ I'll bet on the... Brazilian (but weren't they from a Spanish speaking country? or is my brain turning Portuguese into Spanish?) folks not listening to it at all until some proper review on a proper webzine surfaces from the same dude. The statements are just a hint too dubious for me to believe them. Smells like carefully choosing "info" that would upset as many fans as possible (well, on a small scale anyway).
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Spanish, you are right! Not Brasilians...(on 5/8 the discussion turned somehow to Brasilians and I got confused..)
Noxon..the comparison with the WDs was a bit "scary"... :-\
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Noxon..the comparison with the WDs was a bit "scary"... :-\
WDs?
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Winery Dogs. I said that it was better than new DT. And just for the record, I hadn't heard a single song off of WD when i wrote that. It was a joke as a respons to another joke about my account being hacked (made because people thought i was dissing the album, and therefore it couldn't really be me) :P
But nevermind about me. I won't give you a real review until I'm ready to do so, nor any comments confirming or denying rumors. I won't spoil in other places than in my review. Please, I will not spoil. I will make a review on our site, and link it in a review thread here. In this thread I won't reveal anything that hasn't been revealed elsewhere.
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Winery Dogs. And just for the record, I hadn't heard a single song off of WD when i wrote that. It was a joke with regards to my account being hacked :P
;D Don't play these tricks to poor DT fan boys, Nox, you might kill someone!! :xbones
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noxon in what way is this album different to what you were expecting? i mean without giving your opinion or anything about the album away, would you say it's the production or the musical content itself that has surprised you (or both)?
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Alright, then! :D
Is there anything else you can say compatibly with your role and with whatever purpose you were given the record?
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Winery Dogs. I said that it was better than new DT. And just for the record, I hadn't heard a single song off of WD when i wrote that.
I think you have listened to their debut by now. So... you still feel that way?
(considering it was not a joke...)
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No review, either positive or negative will have any impact on my listening experience. The only thing that will concern me is if I start
to see multiple reviews that mention poor sonic quality and/or poor drum sound.
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wasteland: just look through my previous posts on this forum and you'll understand.
tiagodon: it was a joke, i haven't listened to either of the albums enough to possibly be able to make an opinion, besides they're so in different ends of the spectrum that making a comparison would be futile anyways. One is a blues rock album, the other is a prog metal album.
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wasteland: just look through my previous posts on this forum and you'll understand.
tiagodon: it was a joke, i haven't listened to either of the albums enough to possibly be able to make an opinion, besides they're so in different ends of the spectrum that making a comparison would be futile anyways. One is a blues rock album, the other is a prog metal album.
Which one is the blues rock? given your first impressions, you never know... ;D
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As strange as it seems..the only thing I am really interested about is how long the total album length is...maybe you could lighten things up, Noxon? =)
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Does the length matter? :zydar:
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^ I'll bet on the... Brazilian (but weren't they from a Spanish speaking country? or is my brain turning Portuguese into Spanish?) folks not listening to it at all until some proper review on a proper webzine surfaces from the same dude. The statements are just a hint too dubious for me to believe them. Smells like carefully choosing "info" that would upset as many fans as possible (well, on a small scale anyway).
But do we know if this reviewer guy has even visited this forum or some other place with many DT fans?
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Does the length matter? :zydar:
If the cd is too short, we could always compensate with a sports car.
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Well, having a possible in-depth review is very nice...
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Well, let's wait for the review and not bore noxon with many more questions? ;)
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Well, let's wait for the review and not bore noxon with many more questions? ;)
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noxon's review is going to arrive..
soon.
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noxon's review will probably take a bit of time considering the album doesn't speak to him instantly.
Fixed for all of us
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The thing with DT is that it takes a few listens before you can say "I loved it" or "I hated it" (regarding an album).
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And I totally get not being able to decide. I have so much emotional baggage with Dream Theater at this point, I probably won't be able to decide how I actually feel about it after 10 listens, let alone write a review.
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I see it as a positive if it takes NOXON a lot of listens to get a feel for the new album. The albums I have spent a lot of time getting in to usually ends up as my favourites.
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I will never understand that. I instantly know if I like a song or not. I can like songs a little bit more or less with time, but I instantly know if I dig it, hate it or anything in between. One listen is all it takes for me, always.
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I will never understand that. I instantly know if I like a song or not. I can like songs a little bit more or less with time, but I instantly know if I dig it, hate it or anything in between. One listen is all it takes for me, always.
It has always been that way for me. I couldn't stand Lie (on Awake) the first time(s) I heard it...as a matter of fact I used to skip that track. Now it is one of my all time favourite DT tracks. Somthing just "clicked" after several years....can't explain it.
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I will never understand that. I instantly know if I like a song or not. I can like songs a little bit more or less with time, but I instantly know if I dig it, hate it or anything in between. One listen is all it takes for me, always.
I don't think this is necessarily true. I personally think it's good to give some things a couple of shots, particularly when you're listening to an artist or genre of music that is unfamiliar or that you wouldn't typically explore. it's a good way of learning to love music for reasons other than how proggy and/or metal they are.
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It took me at least 3 listens to like Metropolis Pt. 1, and even more listens to like Learning to Live.
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I found a song. James sings the word "crucify" a lot during the chorus
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Guys, let's show noxon some respect and stop badgering him for info. He said he will do a review. Until then, let it be.
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I found a song. James sings the word "crucify" a lot during the chorus
Mangini sounds great, too! Drum sound much improved!
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I found a song. James sings the word "crucify" a lot during the chorus
Mangini sounds great, too! Drum sound much improved!
oh wait that is Mangini on that album, right?
I'm totally listening to that now...
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Sounds like a remake of Octavarium, just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W. DT never seize to amaze, just when everyone was sure that this would be a remake of Awake they pull something like that :omg:
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Sounds like a remake of Octavarium, just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W. DT never seize to amaze, just when everyone was sure that this would be a remake of Awake they pull something like that :omg:
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Did you review the new album or something?
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Sounds like a remake of Octavarium, just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W. DT never seize to amaze, just when everyone was sure that this would be a remake of Awake they pull something like that :omg:
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Did you review the new album or something?
I believe he's referring to the fact the new album was described by JP as "one huge epic amongst a sea of shorter song forms", plus there's an orchestra. The rest is a joke.
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Sounds like a remake of Octavarium, just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W. DT never seize to amaze, just when everyone was sure that this would be a remake of Awake they pull something like that :omg:
trying to wrap my head around what you're referring to is breaking my brain :lol
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Sounds like a remake of Octavarium, just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W. DT never seize to amaze, just when everyone was sure that this would be a remake of Awake they pull something like that :omg:
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Did you review the new album or something?
Nah, we are joking about "Crucify" from Elements of Persuasion being a new DT song. That album was mistakenly leaked as Octavarium in 2005 :lol
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Nah, we are joking about "Crucify" from Elements of Persuasion being a new DT song. That album was mistakenly leaked as Octavarium in 2005 :lol
OOHHH.. That ordeal.
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Nah, we are joking about "Crucify" from Elements of Persuasion being a new DT song. That album was mistakenly leaked as Octavarium in 2005 :lol
ah gotcha!
I totally thought that was the real octavarium when it came out :epicfacepalmgif:
still probably the best "fake" album ever!
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Ah yeah, I didn't see the page break :lol
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Oh, I was thinking me7 was referring to the DT12 tracklist and being serious, because there are 8 songs, the last one is a huge epic and the first one also includes movements. That, the page break and the lack of green font confused me :lol
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Agh. I'd be able to bear this wait a lot better if other people weren't getting the advance copies!!
I can't care if it's standard procedure! If I can't listen to it, no one should be able to!! >:( >:( >:(
I'm a selfish kinda guy.
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u better be joshin me
:neverusethis:
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Oh, I was thinking me7 was referring to the DT12 tracklist and being serious, because there are 8 songs, the last one is a huge epic and the first one also includes movements. That, the page break and the lack of green font confused me :lol
Me too :biggrin:
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Wait, there are 9 songs... I've once again demonstrated how fucked up my brains are today :lolpalm:
But hey, ADTOE also had 9 songs and still managed to be a rehash of I&W :neverusethis:
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u better be joshin me
:neverusethis:
Damn, exposed
:biggrin:
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The tracklist sure looks like some kind of concept to me. Anyone else?
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Nope.
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Nope.
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The tracklist sure looks like some kind of concept to me. Anyone else?
I'm starting to believe that this is just trolling.
Otherwise :facepalm:. Not this again. Seriously.
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just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W.
wat ???
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I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. :metal
Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.
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I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. :metal
Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.
I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song. It's weak and you will soon lose interest. But if it takes time and you start to enjoy it after a few listens, then it's a strong and good song.
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I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. :metal
Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.
I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song. It's weak and you will soon lose interest. But if it takes time and you start to enjoy it after a few listens, than it's a strong and good song.
That's not true at all. The amount of time it takes you to like a song has no bearing on how good or bad that song is, or its longevity. That reads like anti-pop propaganda. :lol
There are songs I loved on first listen that I still love after over a decade (or two). There are other songs that took me a while to get into, and still faded away.
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I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. :metal
Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.
I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song. It's weak and you will soon lose interest. But if it takes time and you start to enjoy it after a few listens, then it's a strong and good song.
Well that's simply not true.
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I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. :metal
Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.
Great post. I totally agree. :tup
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Yeah, the amount of time a song needs to grow on you doesn't determine its quality. Some of my favorite songs have managed to strike me as something special on the first listen already, others have improved with age like all the finest wines.
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I don't think anyone has looked back on things from this point-of-view yet but, for this DT12 release, I see how spoiled we were with the release of ADTOE (audio snippets, etc.)
Though, my thought is that DT probably felt those actions were somewhat "necessary" to help calm the nerves of their fans given the departure of MP and the arrival of MM.
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I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. :metal
Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.
I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song. It's weak and you will soon lose interest. But if it takes time and you start to enjoy it after a few listens, than it's a strong and good song.
That's not true at all. The amount of time it takes you to like a song has no bearing on how good or bad that song is, or its longevity. That reads like anti-pop propaganda. :lol
There are songs I loved on first listen that I still love after over a decade (or two). There are other songs that took me a while to get into, and still faded away.
Listen to this man.
Also, there are some songs I loved straight away, that I found less interesting later on.
And finally, there are songs that sucked at first, and still suck.
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Regarding discussing the album, the rules are clear about discussing leaked material, and I am not going to keep re-posting them and re-issuing warnings. If I see someone discussing anything about the album that looks like leaked information, they will be banned from the site. If you are a member of the media who has received an authorized advance copy and you are authorized to write about it, contact me privately and give me your credentials so I can make sure you are who you say you are. Otherwise, if you have heard it, keep a lid on it, because discussing it is not allowed. Even if you are joking, you run the risk of being banned from the site, so don't even go there.
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But hey, ADTOE also had 9 songs and still managed to be a rehash of I&W :neverusethis:
Uhhh...yea I don't see that. :-\
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But, you know what you can see? Color green :neverusethis:
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Yeah, the amount of time a song needs to grow on you doesn't determine its quality. Some of my favorite songs have managed to strike me as something special on the first listen already, others have improved with age like all the finest wines.
:neverusethis:
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Regarding discussing the album, the rules are clear about discussing leaked material, and I am not going to keep re-posting them and re-issuing warnings. If I see someone discussing anything about the album that looks like leaked information, they will be banned from the site. If you are a member of the media who has received an authorized advance copy and you are authorized to write about it, contact me privately and give me your credentials so I can make sure you are who you say you are. Otherwise, if you have heard it, keep a lid on it, because discussing it is not allowed. Even if you are joking, you run the risk of being banned from the site, so don't even go there.
Thanks for the reminder!
As a further reminder, I'd like to share the following leak-protection advise with my fellow forum members: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV1eaE-QDEg
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The tracklist sure looks like some kind of concept to me. Anyone else?
Oh absolutely! But to be clear, when I say concept that doesn't mean a literal story, it means a concept throughout the songs where the idea grows and changes, like almost every DT album. Correct me if saying that is against proper convention..
But yes-
Surrender to Reason
Embracing the Circle (likely relating to 8vm's concept)
Pursuit of Truth
Definitely something happening there.
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semi thematic
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I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song.
Well, I was told if you dream of the next world you'll find yourself swimming in a lake of fire.
Didn't stop me. :metal
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Same here.
:onfire:
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Ok is that what we call I&W, Awake, 6doit, and 8vm too?
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I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song.
Well, I was told if you dream of the next world you'll find yourself swimming in a lake of fire.
Didn't stop me. :metal
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Ok is that what we call I&W, Awake, 6doit, and 8vm too?
Idk about Images and Awake... but SDOIT had a slight theme going on with the tracks, as well as Octavarium.
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Six Degrees didn't really, except the title track.
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Ok is that what we call I&W, Awake, 6doit, and 8vm too?
Idk about Images and Awake... but SDOIT had a slight theme going on with the tracks, as well as Octavarium.
Personally I'd only count Awake and Octavarium. I don't know where IaW and SDOIT come into it.
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semi thematic
Ok is that what we call I&W, Awake, 6doit, and 8vm too?
Idk about Images and Awake... but SDOIT had a slight theme going on with the tracks, as well as Octavarium.
Personally I'd only count Awake and Octavarium. I don't know where IaW and SDOIT come into it.
I thought 6DOIT was supposed to kinda have a theme... but now that I think of it, I'm thinking of 8VRM.
and yea Awake too. YOU ARE RIGHT DAMMIT.
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SFAM is the only true concept album the band has. Octavarium definitely has a concept or theme, and arguably, Six Degrees does as well. None of the other albums do, although many fans feel that there is a loose concept overarching some other albums as well. If you want to argue that that's the case, go for it. But it is something you are reading in after the fact that is not intended by the band to be an overarching theme or concept and probably doesn't really exist as such. But if anyone wants to further discuss the issue, please start a separate thread on that subject rather than taking this one off topic.
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I feel like this thread hasn't gone 3 pages yet discussing this "concept album" stuff :lol
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I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song. It's weak and you will soon lose interest. But if it takes time and you start to enjoy it after a few listens, then it's a strong and good song.
If that was true I would still not have had the pleasure of listening to a good song. Music speaks to me instantly. One listen is more than enough, and I don't need several listens to appreciate what I hear. Several listens can make me notice more details, but it won't change my view about the song.
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I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. :metal
Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.
I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song. It's weak and you will soon lose interest. But if it takes time and you start to enjoy it after a few listens, than it's a strong and good song.
That's not true at all. The amount of time it takes you to like a song has no bearing on how good or bad that song is, or its longevity. That reads like anti-pop propaganda. :lol
There are songs I loved on first listen that I still love after over a decade (or two). There are other songs that took me a while to get into, and still faded away.
Listen to this man.
Also, there are some songs I loved straight away, that I found less interesting later on.
And finally, there are songs that sucked at first, and still suck.
Agree with all that. And I am not "anti-mainstream music" in the least. If I like it, I like it -- doesn't matter to me if a million other people or just a few do, as well.
There is also music that grew on me as I gained appreciation for the genre. Jazz has a similar quality. There were certain tunes I didn't care for as a young person that I absolutely LOVE now that I've "grown up".
The complexity was more than I was interested in at first. Rather like coming to love coffee, wine, whiskey. Most of my acquired tastes have become passions for me. I can see prog becoming that way. :metal
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If i read my old reviews of the previous DT albums, I rarely agree with them fully ;) Funny how letting things age changes perspectives about things. I mean, I even understand why certain people got pissed at my reviews...
I can't even remember the last time i played systematic chaos or black clouds and silver linings...
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:lol I swear we have this exact same, "Will this album sort of have a concept and What previous DT albums were concept albums?"" discussion every album cycle.
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A dramatic turn of events showed, in my opinion, that Labrie can create incredibly beautiful vocal melodies if he is allowed to. Let's see what he brings this time.
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I swear we have this exact same, "Will this album sort of have a concept and What previous DT albums were concept albums?"" discussion every 5 pages.
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I swear we have this exact same, "Will this album sort of have a concept and What previous DT albums were concept albums?"" discussion every 5 pages.
You know, quite true. I do feel like it subsides a little bit after an album is out for a couple months, and then once the next one is announced, it begins again. A true cycle.
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I swear we have this exact same, "Will this album sort of have a concept and What previous DT albums were concept albums?"" discussion every 5 pages.
You know, quite true. I do feel like it subsides a little bit after an album is out for a couple months, and then once the next one is announced, it begins again. A true cycle.
We move in ciiiiiiiiiiiircles...
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Okay, look--when a say a subject is off topic, a string of posts about how it is off topic is still off topic. Please drop this and get back on topic. Thanks.
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Btw, that string part has to be super sad, if you listen to what Jordan says right after. You can find the argument we're discussing from 1:14 to 1:55 of the last In The Studio video.
It's not sad. It's very warm and heartfelt.
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Okay, look--when a say a subject is off topic, a string of posts about how it is off topic is still off topic. Please drop this and get back on topic. Thanks.
Perhaps discussion of the Amazon pre-order would be better off in this thread?
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Okay, look--when a say a subject is off topic, a string of posts about how it is off topic is still off topic. Please drop this and get back on topic. Thanks.
Sorry, didn't see your post.
Anyways, I just hope we do get the preorder information soon, because the collector in me needs to know what will be included in the big deluxe boxset this time.
I have a feeling it will be identical to the ADTOE one, with the Special Edition album (CD/DVD), Lithograph, Vinyl, and a very small chance to win something like a Meet and Greet.
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Anyways, I just hope we do get the preorder information soon, because the collector in me needs to know what will be included in the big deluxe boxset this time.
A few sites have pre-order information up, but as is the case when distributors jump the gun, the information is not complete. I cannot give any details, but I have seen the schedule, and you can trust me that information on pre-orders will be available soon. Just hang tight.
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Btw, that string part has to be super sad, if you listen to what Jordan says right after. You can find the argument we're discussing from 1:14 to 1:55 of the last In The Studio video.
It's not sad. It's very warm and heartfelt.
So you're reading us, Eren. This is great!
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I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. :metal
Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.
I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song. It's weak and you will soon lose interest. But if it takes time and you start to enjoy it after a few listens, then it's a strong and good song.
I just wanna clarify that i'm not saying music that hits you immediately is something I don't prefer, it dosen't matter if you like a song/album instantly or it takes X amount of spins before. There are songs/albums that no matter how hard I try they never seem to get to me and others hits me instantly like a freight train and vice versa.
The important part is that there's no rule that "good music" should be hard to listen to, it's just that it's more fun and awesome when it happens unexpectedly....that's all. Just to give an example, Haken's Vision.....I struggled a bit to understand or feel that album but the more I listen to it the more I felt the need to continue listen to it, pretty weird but a lovely thing.
You see i'm a deep believer that alot of people even if they are a musician or not tends to being drawn to things that they can relate to in music like a certain recurring melody, chord harmony, guitar riff, rythm pattern, overall music theme etc. It can also be more general like a certain genre that you really love being for whatever reason. The main thing is that you unintentionally or not listen for those things to determine if you like a certain song or not. That's just a simple fact and for the "casual" listener that don't listen to music for the craft or art, it's the only thing they need to enjoy a certain song. To put it simple: They wanna hear a certain musical "hook" and without that, it's pretty much no music for them. It's not a demand it's just the only thing they "can" judge a song on. (I'm talking in general terms just to be clear).
Don't get me wrong i'm in no way criticizing this process or badmouthing it, it's just a natural process we all use and it can be applied to anything in life like our favourite art, movie, music, sport, food etc. We just like and feel comfort in having a reference point to something.
I do myself always try to surpass that point and force myself to listen to music I necessarily don't prefer (force is a stupid word because it's not a hard task for me to listen to music with a open mind). In lack of a better word, as a freelancing musician i'm "trained" to do that. I play alot of music I don't listen to which also gives me a chance to appreciate things in the music you don't hear or feel only as a listener. Even if I despise the music it can still be fun to play, weird right! I rarely despise music though but you get what i'm saying.
*End of my rant, don't mean to derail the thread so please go on discussing DT12 because this was mostly for my selfish need of completing a topic I lost track of...so I just stop right here. :\
Actually I should have started a seperate thread for this.....damn!
Plz continue.....so DT12 huh! :metal
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^^ This is an excellent post.
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I will say this. For me the "listen once = love" and the "it takes multiple spins to really appreciate something" arguments are both valid. In DT context I'll use Octavarium as an example. For both the song and the album as a whole, the first time I heard it I was disappointed. For the first few spins I was disappointed. On the album I thought the guitar tone sounded garbled, a little too dark. The drums were simple when compared with most of what MP was doing at the time. I didn't understand how DT could go from such a balls heavy sound on ToT to so mellow and simple a sound on 8VM. That feeling stuck with me for about a month or two after I got the CD.
Then I got MPs In Constant Motion instructional DVD and listened to it, watched him play Panic Attack, saw how complicated the drum were as he broke it down. Watched him play Never Enough live on there, and I started to get it. I gave the CD a few more turns and I really started to appreciate the songs for what they were. Listened to the lyrics more. I just "got it" after a few more spins.
Then there's the other side of the argument; the "listen once = love" side. For this I'll used Awake. The first time I'd listened to Awake, after I'd been into DT for a while I was like :omg: this fucking rules. Now, like some people, I heard Lie first, and didn't think much of it. It was definitely heavier than anything on I&W, but the first time I heard that was in the video for it, and I was like, "eh... ok" but when I got the album I was like, holy shit this has balls. When I first spun it, I didn't look at the liner notes, so the first time I heard Erotomania, I kept expecting vocals to come in. It wasn't until maybe 4 minutes in that I realized it was an instrumental. And I was like :metal Every song I heard on the album, even Lie after I'd heard it with everything else, instantly kicked ass.
ADTOE was the first album of DTs that for me had a real uncertain wait time for me, because up until that time I'd been a huge MP fan. To me, he could do no wrong. I did see a turn in their music style that I didn't much care for, with everything having to be heavier and darker. I didn't realize unitl after he left that that was his influence. When I first watched the drummer auditions I was convinced that MM would be able to play the songs the best, and I was thrilled when they chose him. But I was still uncertain of his sound, his toooone. When I first heard OTBoA, I was thrilled, that it was a complex song, that the drums were reletively complex, that indeed, MM could deliver. Like a lot of people, when I first heard it, I was like, "Where's the drums? I don't hear the bass drums. I can barely make out the cymbal work." But, the more I listened to the song, I grew to love it and when the album came out, I was instantly like, "Fuck yeah! This is what I wanted. :metal"
So, I know DT12 might take a few spins, It might take just one. To me it doesn't matter. I've grown to love DT as a band, both musically and their individual personalities. I know that their music is good, whether it's softer like 8VM or eat my ass n balls heavy like SC and BC&SL. With every album DT puts out, my main thought is, "I can't wait to hear what they do next." That's my sentiment this time too. I can't wait to hear what they do next, with Mangini unleashed. It's going to be great.
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^^ This is an excellent post.
More on topic, what does everyone think will be on the deluxe edition of DT12? They don't have the drummer documentary this time. Maybe a "making of" documentary?
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^^ This is an excellent post.
More on topic, what does everyone think will be on the deluxe edition of DT12? They don't have the drummer documentary this time. Maybe a "making of" documentary?
That would be cool...I love things like that, like they did back in SC. And surely, this writing/recording process has a lot of cool stuff for the fans.
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^^ This is an excellent post.
More on topic, what does everyone think will be on the deluxe edition of DT12? They don't have the drummer documentary this time. Maybe a "making of" documentary?
I hope they do something like the in studio vids, but more in depth. I feel like with the 2-3 minute vids we're getting on Youtube, we're missing a lot. Hopefully they'll add a DVD of the making of that will fill in the holes. Something akin to what they did for SC would be amazing. That's what I'm hoping for.
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Anyways, I just hope we do get the preorder information soon, because the collector in me needs to know what will be included in the big deluxe boxset this time.
A few sites have pre-order information up, but as is the case when distributors jump the gun, the information is not complete. I cannot give any details, but I have seen the schedule, and you can trust me that information on pre-orders will be available soon. Just hang tight.
Yes. Soon.
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I'm hoping for a "Making Of" doc, I love those.
I usually judge music right away. For example with OTBOA, BMUBMD, Constant Motion and TDEN I was like "yeahhhhhh!" :metal I either feel it right away or mostly not at all.
The only recent song that I liked after a few listens is Lost Not Forgotten. I played ADTOE plenty of times, just can't get into the rest of it. Not saying it sucks, I just don't rock out to it like I do to others.
I hope DT12 has a lot of "instant" moments.
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^^ This is an excellent post.
More on topic, what does everyone think will be on the deluxe edition of DT12? They don't have the drummer documentary this time. Maybe a "making of" documentary?
I would love a making of, infact I would be fine by just hearing MM talk about his passion for spicy food. I just love him talking passionately of things. :lol
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I was thinking that a 5.1 version of the new songs would be great too.
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TBH all I really want is the music. If there are special editions offering extra songs I'll go for that. My past history tells me I will
watch a making-of 1 time and never again.
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Really...the waiting time is killing me already...and we still got TWO months to go :(
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Really...the waiting time is killing me already...and we still got TWO months to go :(
Go check out the General Music Discussion section of the forum. I guarantee you there is enough good music, you have yet to hear, to keep you occupied for the next two months.
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Go check out the General Music Discussion section of the forum. I guarantee you there is enough good music, you have yet to hear, to keep you occupied for the next two months.
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Hehe, thanks a lot! :D I will most certainly do that =)
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Exactly two months... It's nearing! Think about all the effort they put into writing it, recording it, mixing, mastering, how much time it all takes... And now we only have two months left! It's practically the final stretch! :D
Meanwhile, I'm catching up on my entire discography, from the studio and live albums, to the DVDs, commentaries, everything.
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I still haven't even looked at the bonus dvd from Systematic Chaos. I will get the deluxe edition of the new album, just because I'm a hoarder and I just need to collect, but I'm willing to be that outside the first opening of the box i won't actually ever touch the contents again ;)
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TBH all I really want is the music. If there are special editions offering extra songs I'll go for that. My past history tells me I will
watch a making-of 1 time and never again.
same for me, but I'd still love a making-of-documentary because that one time watching it would be amazing :tup
Live-in-the-studio performances (like Wintersun did with Time I for example) would kick enormous ass as well :metal
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Yes it's nearing and only another 19 pages of this tread before we get another big announcement :facepalm:
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Really...the waiting time is killing me already...and we still got TWO months to go :(
I have a treat for that: Convince yourself it's three months and you will be pleasantly surprised.
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Really...the waiting time is killing me already...and we still got TWO months to go :(
I have a treat for that: Convince yourself it's three months and you will be pleasantly surprised.
:facepalm: :tup
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The tracklist sure looks like some kind of concept to me. Anyone else?
To me, is a concept album, very similar to Disc 2 of SDOIT.
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Yeah, we'll just have to wait until the official announcement that the album will in fact be called 'Metropolis Pt. 3: Dream Theater' and all the song titles will get a 'Scene X', before them, starting where they left. Oh boy, I think 'Scene Ten: False Awakening Suite' is going to be awesome!
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Yeah, we'll just have to wait until the official announcement that the album will in fact be called 'Metropolis Pt. 3: Dream Theater' and all the song titles will get a 'Scene X', before them, starting where they left. Oh boy, I think 'Scene Ten: False Awakening Suite' is going to be awesome!
Or maybe you will see that your dream is collapsing.
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Yeah, we'll just have to wait until the official announcement that the album will in fact be called 'Metropolis Pt. 3: Dream Theater' and all the song titles will get a 'Scene X', before them, starting where they left. Oh boy, I think 'Scene Ten: False Awakening Suite' is going to be awesome!
:lol
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Yeah, we'll just have to wait until the official announcement that the album will in fact be called 'Metropolis Pt. 3: Dream Theater' and all the song titles will get a 'Scene X', before them, starting where they left. Oh boy, I think 'Scene Ten: False Awakening Suite' is going to be awesome!
:justjen
Ehh.. It's always a possibility.
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The tracklist sure looks like some kind of concept to me. Anyone else?
No.
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I'm not sure why people always expect DT to make concept albums. In ~25 years they've only made one concept album.
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I'm not sure why people always expect DT to make concept albums. In ~25 years they've only made one concept album.
It's in our prog blood to wish it. :lol
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I'm not sure why people always expect DT to make concept albums. In ~25 years they've only made one concept album.
Because the average prog metal band's concept-count is usually much higher, and people unconsciously expect DT to start catching up every time they release an album :lol
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I'm not sure why people always expect DT to make concept albums. In ~25 years they've only made one concept album.
It's in our prog blood to wish it. :lol
I love a good concept album as much as the next guy, but honestly, I feel like the concept was easily the weakest part of Scenes From A Memory.
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'Scene Ten: False Awakening Suite' is going to be awesome!
żNicholas didn`t open his eyes?
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I'm not sure why people always expect DT to make concept albums. In ~25 years they've only made one concept album.
It's in our prog blood to wish it. :lol
I love a good concept album as much as the next guy, but honestly, I feel like the concept was easily the weakest part of Scenes From A Memory.
The lyrical concept yea. The concept in the music was brilliant.
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'Scene Ten: False Awakening Suite' is going to be awesome!
żNicholas didn`t open his eyes?
Exactly! See, my theory is holding ground already! Buhahaha.
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Really...the waiting time is killing me already...and we still got TWO months to go :(
Go check out the General Music Discussion section of the forum. I guarantee you there is enough good music, you have yet to hear, to keep you occupied for the next two months.
So true! JLB, some members on the forum already own it.... then, Newsted in a few days. There's tons of great music lying around :tup
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Well, since you all love theories and speculation:
False Awakening Suite: Nightmares of Nicholas about Edward and Victoria.
The Enemy Inside: Talking about his enemy Edward, inside him through Victoria
The Looking Glass: A dream of Nicholas about seeing Victoria in a mirror, then Edward shattering the mirror
Enigma Machine: ?
Too lazy to write any more, but I was thinking about it being a prequel to Metropolis Pt. 2, but still being in present time.
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"Tired bones beneath a veil
Of guarded secrets all too frail."
- Beneath the Surface
We talked about what's under the veil, but what's "Behind the Veil"?
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:iagree:
I will say this. For me the "listen once = love" and the "it takes multiple spins to really appreciate something" arguments are both valid. In DT context I'll use Octavarium as an example. For both the song and the album as a whole, the first time I heard it I was disappointed. For the first few spins I was disappointed. On the album I thought the guitar tone sounded garbled, a little too dark. The drums were simple when compared with most of what MP was doing at the time. I didn't understand how DT could go from such a balls heavy sound on ToT to so mellow and simple a sound on 8VM. That feeling stuck with me for about a month or two after I got the CD.
Then I got MPs In Constant Motion instructional DVD and listened to it, watched him play Panic Attack, saw how complicated the drum were as he broke it down. Watched him play Never Enough live on there, and I started to get it. I gave the CD a few more turns and I really started to appreciate the songs for what they were. Listened to the lyrics more. I just "got it" after a few more spins.
Then there's the other side of the argument; the "listen once = love" side. For this I'll used Awake. The first time I'd listened to Awake, after I'd been into DT for a while I was like :omg: this fucking rules. Now, like some people, I heard Lie first, and didn't think much of it. It was definitely heavier than anything on I&W, but the first time I heard that was in the video for it, and I was like, "eh... ok" but when I got the album I was like, holy shit this has balls. When I first spun it, I didn't look at the liner notes, so the first time I heard Erotomania, I kept expecting vocals to come in. It wasn't until maybe 4 minutes in that I realized it was an instrumental. And I was like :metal Every song I heard on the album, even Lie after I'd heard it with everything else, instantly kicked ass.
ADTOE was the first album of DTs that for me had a real uncertain wait time for me, because up until that time I'd been a huge MP fan. To me, he could do no wrong. I did see a turn in their music style that I didn't much care for, with everything having to be heavier and darker. I didn't realize unitl after he left that that was his influence. When I first watched the drummer auditions I was convinced that MM would be able to play the songs the best, and I was thrilled when they chose him. But I was still uncertain of his sound, his toooone. When I first heard OTBoA, I was thrilled, that it was a complex song, that the drums were reletively complex, that indeed, MM could deliver. Like a lot of people, when I first heard it, I was like, "Where's the drums? I don't hear the bass drums. I can barely make out the cymbal work." But, the more I listened to the song, I grew to love it and when the album came out, I was instantly like, "Fuck yeah! This is what I wanted. :metal"
So, I know DT12 might take a few spins, It might take just one. To me it doesn't matter. I've grown to love DT as a band, both musically and their individual personalities. I know that their music is good, whether it's softer like 8VM or eat my ass n balls heavy like SC and BC&SL. With every album DT puts out, my main thought is, "I can't wait to hear what they do next." That's my sentiment this time too. I can't wait to hear what they do next, with Mangini unleashed. It's going to be great.
:tup
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Well, since you all love theories and speculation:
False Awakening Suite: Nightmares of Nicholas about Edward and Victoria.
The Enemy Inside: Talking about his enemy Edward, inside him through Victoria
The Looking Glass: A dream of Nicholas about seeing Victoria in a mirror, then Edward shattering the mirror
Enigma Machine: ?
Too lazy to write any more, but I was thinking about it being a prequel to Metropolis Pt. 2, but still being in present time.
Enigma Machine is about Mike Portnoy! :o
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Enigma can mean mysterious, so the "mysterious machine" is probably about Myung.
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Maybe the Enigma Machine was the working title for John Myung :o
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is there anything else interesting related to the new album in the Spanish forum? did any other guy post his review within it?
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Maybe the Enigma Machine was the working title for John Myung :o
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Maybe the Enigma Machine was the working title for John Myung :o
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'Scene Ten: False Awakening Suite' is going to be awesome!
żNicholas didn`t open his eyes?
Exactly! See, my theory is holding ground already! Buhahaha.
Is a very legitimate theory (an illumination theory -the illumination of Nicholas-).
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The tracklist sure looks like some kind of concept to me. Anyone else?
Oh absolutely! But to be clear, when I say concept that doesn't mean a literal story, it means a concept throughout the songs where the idea grows and changes, like almost every DT album. Correct me if saying that is against proper convention..
But yes-
Surrender to Reason
Embracing the Circle (likely relating to 8vm's concept)
Pursuit of Truth
Definitely something happening there.
This is exactly what I meant. Glad to know I'm not the only one who sees this in the song titles. :tup
@ whoever accused me of trolling...please...a little respect. Just posting my thoughts...nothing at all wrong with that.
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I have to ask what is the point of DT releasing a single. The single will probably not be played much on the radio. I do see new fans possibly discovering DT with the release of a video like they did with On the Backs of Angels. If I had not accidently view the video on a cable music channel I would not have found out about DT.
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Well, there you have your 'point'. I wouldn't be surprised if it came with a video this time, too.
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I don`t want any single or snippet.
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Well, you don't have to listen to them.
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Well, you don't have to listen to them.
I`m not so strong.
If they release something, I`m gonna hear it. That`s the fact.
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Well, you don't have to listen to them.
I`m not so strong.
If they release something, I`m gonna hear it. That`s the fact.
I'm the same way. I swore to myself that I would abstain from listening to OTBOA when it came out at (I think) 11AM. By 2PM I had listened to it about 20 times. This time I'm gonna need to hibernate if I want to wait.
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Well, OTBOA was nominated to a grammy award. So there's a point in releasing a single. And I got to say that I really want one...I want reviews, snippets...just can't contain my anxiety to this new album.
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I have to ask what is the point of DT releasing a single. The single will probably not be played much on the radio. I do see new fans possibly discovering DT with the release of a video like they did with On the Backs of Angels. If I had not accidently view the video on a cable music channel I would not have found out about DT.
Have you not heard of the Internet, specifically, Youtube?
Kidding aside, while there was a long time period (1994-2006-ish) of "why even bother wasting money on videos", that is now over, and the impact of even something as simple as a lyric video (ie. James LaBrie's "Back on the Ground") being passed around on Youtube is absolutely tangible and definitely worth spending a little dough on.
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Have you not heard of the Internet, specifically, Youtube?
Kidding aside, while there was a long time period (1994-2006-ish) of "why even bother wasting money on videos", that is now over, and the impact of even something as simple as a lyric video (ie. James LaBrie's "Back on the Ground") being passed around on Youtube is absolutely tangible and definitely worth spending a little dough on.
Yeah, once people figured out HOW to get money from Youtube videos, it's become a new medium for music distribution. Especially things like Vevo. And honestly, there have been a number of bands and albums that I became interested in because, say, RoadRunner recommended I check them out, since I watched something by DT. So it's becoming a very useful tool for spreading music awareness.
It's crazy how different the music industry has become in just a few years. I remember artists complaining about how they couldn't get a record deal, just a few months ago. Now, artists are refusing record deals, because they know they'll actually make more money if they promote themselves. It's an interesting time to be a musician.
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I have to ask what is the point of DT releasing a single. The single will probably not be played much on the radio. I do see new fans possibly discovering DT with the release of a video like they did with On the Backs of Angels. If I had not accidently view the video on a cable music channel I would not have found out about DT.
OTBOA has over 4 million views on Youtube, and that's the one that isn't even a music video! Just having a legal sample of an album/band up on Youtube is great for people discovering new bands, or for people who already listen to the band to share the link for others to discover.
It's 2013. Who even listens to radio anyway?
The tracklist sure looks like some kind of concept to me. Anyone else?
To me, is a concept album, very similar to Disc 2 of SDOIT.
:facepalm:
1. Disc 2 of SDOIT is not an album. It is one disc of a two disc album. Half an album.
2. It would still not be a concept album, because it is one song.
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The cutoff in the album art here is so obvious it's crazy.
https://www.large.nl/search/dream%20theater/
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I don't see the cutoff there any more noticeably than I did before (actually, ie. I can't see it at all there without brightening the image). It's still the same original image.
And let's remember that the line has been officially removed, so this is now a complete non issue. No line will be visible on the final album.
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Some of the covers on that page look lightened up. ACOS, 8VM and ToT in particular. Could be the reason the cutoff is more visible there.
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The cutoff in the album art here is so obvious it's crazy.
https://www.large.nl/search/dream%20theater/
Actually, the album order page proper ( https://www.large.nl/dream-theater-dream-theater-cd/art_263302/ ) is the first place I've been able to see the cutoff in the image without modifying the colors.
No line will be visible on the final album.
Yeah.
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Some of the covers definitely appear lightened up. Octavarium is completely washed out. I don't notice a difference on the DT12 cover, although as I've said before, my monitor is adjusted darker than most people's, so I never saw the line without adjusting the image in Photoshop anyway.
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And let's remember that the line has been officially removed, so this is now a complete non issue. No line will be visible on the final album.
Oh really? When was this announced?
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it's in the thread that's titled something on the lines of "Do you think DT noticed the line on the cover". Check it out!
edit: you can't miss it: it's the one that's locked
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And let's remember that the line has been officially removed, so this is now a complete non issue. No line will be visible on the final album.
Oh really? When was this announced?
Check out the version now on the official site-
https://www.dreamtheater.net/board_posts/dream-theater-cover-and-track-listing-revealed
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Man I love that cover!
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And let's remember that the line has been officially removed, so this is now a complete non issue. No line will be visible on the final album.
Oh really? When was this announced?
Check out the version now on the official site-
https://www.dreamtheater.net/board_posts/dream-theater-cover-and-track-listing-revealed
Awesome. I just saw it in the locked thread "do you think the band is aware of the planet cut..." as well.
man... I'm so happy Hugh Syme fixed it! Now I think this is my favorite album cover since Six Degrees. :tup
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And let's remember that the line has been officially removed, so this is now a complete non issue. No line will be visible on the final album.
Oh really? When was this announced?
Check out the version now on the official site-
https://www.dreamtheater.net/board_posts/dream-theater-cover-and-track-listing-revealed
Didn't realize it was "fixed" until you just mentioned that.
I guess DT must've noticed how much the line bothered posters from this forum
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I have to ask what is the point of DT releasing a single. The single will probably not be played much on the radio. I do see new fans possibly discovering DT with the release of a video like they did with On the Backs of Angels. If I had not accidently view the video on a cable music channel I would not have found out about DT.
OTBOA has over 4 million views on Youtube, and that's the one that isn't even a music video! Just having a legal sample of an album/band up on Youtube is great for people discovering new bands, or for people who already listen to the band to share the link for others to discover.
It's 2013. Who even listens to radio anyway?
The tracklist sure looks like some kind of concept to me. Anyone else?
To me, is a concept album, very similar to Disc 2 of SDOIT.
:facepalm:
1. Disc 2 of SDOIT is not an album. It is one disc of a two disc album. Half an album.
2. It would still not be a concept album, because it is one song.
I said VERY SIMILAR TO, not EQUAL TO, "master".
Try to read well.
'Scene Ten: False Awakening Suite' is going to be awesome!
żNicholas didn`t open his eyes?
Exactly! See, my theory is holding ground already! Buhahaha.
Is a very legitimate theory (an illumination theory -the illumination of Nicholas-).
Don`t forget this.
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So the cover arts been dragged up again.................................
I can't wait till the new albums out so at least there will be some NEW topics to bitch about.
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Yea, like blemishes in the booklet.
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Man I love that cover!
It's better than the last one but I think it's really boring myself.
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TBH all I really want is the music. If there are special editions offering extra songs I'll go for that. My past history tells me I will
watch a making-of 1 time and never again.
I always go for special editions when buying CDs . You get a little extra for your ŁŁŁ and it saves you having to buy the same thing again if they release a special edition down the road. [ Which RR used to be notorious for doing - now the special editions are usually released alongside the standard edition ]
It used to be a running joke in my house that if a band were signed to 5 albums on RoadRunner - that would just cover all the editions of the debut that would get released.
I don't know how many editions of the Soulfly debut there were but it was a few.
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I can't wait until that giant clown is removed from the DT official page. MAN that's obnoxious! It takes up half my monitor!
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I have to ask what is the point of DT releasing a single. The single will probably not be played much on the radio. I do see new fans possibly discovering DT with the release of a video like they did with On the Backs of Angels. If I had not accidently view the video on a cable music channel I would not have found out about DT.
A video and a single usually coincide with each other. The video you watch, the single you buy.
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Has Noxon already published a "review" ..?
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Has Noxon already published a "review" ..?
Published a "review"? As opposed to publishing a review? Noxon has posted neither in any case.
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Has Noxon already published a "review" ..?
Published a "review"? As opposed to publishing a review? Noxon has posted neither in any case.
I dunno..I thought someone said he'd write a review... :/ What a "surprise" ........
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METROPOLIS PT.3: DREAM THEATER
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METROPOLIS PT.3: DREAM THEATER
That would actually sound pretty cool!
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METROPOLIS PT.3: DREAM THEATER
That would actually sound pretty cool!
You know, man, I see all too mixed:
a) METROPOLIS PT.1: THE MIRACLE AND THE SLEEPER.
b) METROPOLIS PT.2: SCENES FROM A MEMORY.
c) DT12: All kind of things about sleep, awakening, enigma, circle, reason, illumination...
It can be very possible.
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METROPOLIS PT.3: DREAM THEATER
That would actually sound pretty cool!
You know, man, I see all too mixed:
a) METROPOLIS PT.1: THE MIRACLE AND THE SLEEPER.
b) METROPOLIS PT.2: SCENES FROM A MEMORY.
c) DT12: All kind of things about sleep, awakening, enigma, circle, reason, illumination...
It can be very possible.
Absolutely! It should actually/even include/write this on the cover!
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Oh god, not this again.
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METROPOLIS PT.3: DREAM THEATER
That would actually sound pretty cool!
You know, man, I see all too mixed:
a) METROPOLIS PT.1: THE MIRACLE AND THE SLEEPER.
b) METROPOLIS PT.2: SCENES FROM A MEMORY.
c) DT12: All kind of things about sleep, awakening, enigma, circle, reason, illumination...
It can be very possible.
Absolutely! It should actually/even include/write this on the cover!
What if all 2 previous Metropolis stories were only a dream in Nicholas head, and the band decided to tell us the end of his dream in DT12?
What if all this is a big dream theater?
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Oh god, not this again.
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METROPOLIS PT.3: DREAM THEATER
That would actually sound pretty cool!
You know, man, I see all too mixed:
a) METROPOLIS PT.1: THE MIRACLE AND THE SLEEPER.
b) METROPOLIS PT.2: SCENES FROM A MEMORY.
c) DT12: All kind of things about sleep, awakening, enigma, circle, reason, illumination...
It can be very possible.
Absolutely! It should actually/even include/write this on the cover!
What if all 2 previous Metropolis stories were only a dream in Nicholas head, and the band decided to tell us the end of his dream in DT12?
What if all this is a big dream theater?
What if WE are all actually Nicolas? and we never woke up?! :eek
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I`m just talking about albums.
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METROPOLIS PT.3: DREAM THEATER
That would actually sound pretty cool!
You know, man, I see all too mixed:
a) METROPOLIS PT.1: THE MIRACLE AND THE SLEEPER.
b) METROPOLIS PT.2: SCENES FROM A MEMORY.
c) DT12: All kind of things about sleep, awakening, enigma, circle, reason, illumination...
It can be very possible.
Absolutely! It should actually/even include/write this on the cover!
What if all 2 previous Metropolis stories were only a dream in Nicholas head, and the band decided to tell us the end of his dream in DT12?
What if all this is a big dream theater?
In cases like this one, in my country we use to say
if my grandmother had wheels would be a wheelbarrow
Just sayin'
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In cases like this one, in my country we use to say
if my grandmother had wheels would be a wheelbarrow
Just sayin'
Ya sé ("Si mi abuela tuviese ruedas, sería bicicleta", dicen en el mío).
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Petruccinator12: "Surprise"? What do you mean?
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METROPOLIS PT.3: DREAM THEATER
That would actually sound pretty cool!
You know, man, I see all too mixed:
a) METROPOLIS PT.1: THE MIRACLE AND THE SLEEPER.
b) METROPOLIS PT.2: SCENES FROM A MEMORY.
c) DT12: All kind of things about sleep, awakening, enigma, circle, reason, illumination...
It can be very possible.
Absolutely! It should actually/even include/write this on the cover!
What if all 2 previous Metropolis stories were only a dream in Nicholas head, and the band decided to tell us the end of his dream in DT12?
What if all this is a big dream theater?
In cases like this one, in my country we use to say
if my grandmother had wheels would be a wheelbarrow
Just sayin'
Or "if my grandfa had three balls he would be a pinball...!"
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Petruccinator12: "Surprise"? What do you mean?
I'm sorry...I was pretty sure someone said you'd post a review..which did not happen as it seems...which did not surprise me to be honest..
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In cases like this one, in my country we use to say
if my grandmother had wheels would be a wheelbarrow
Just sayin'
Ya sé ("Si mi abuela tuviese ruedas, sería bicicleta", dicen en el mío).
By which i didn't want to be mean, it's just that if you really want to see something you'll find some reason to see it, but this does not mean that what you would like to see is going to be the truth. And i can pretty confidently say that DT12 has nothing to do with Scenes concept.
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Petruccinator12: "Surprise"? What do you mean?
I'm sorry...I was pretty sure someone said you'd post a review..which did not happen as it seems...which did not surprise me to be honest..
Or did you actually??
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In cases like this one, in my country we use to say
if my grandmother had wheels would be a wheelbarrow
Just sayin'
Or "if my grandfa had three balls he would be a pinball...!"
"If a cow had wheels it would be a milk truck."
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Oh god, not this again.
And to think I started that stuff as a joke :lol
I'll laugh my ass off if it actually turns out to be Metropolis Pt. 3, but I don't think that will happen at all.
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Oh god, not this again.
BAN THEM! BAN THEM ALL! YOU HAVE THE POWER!
Any references to sleep or dreams or more likely to be references to DREAM THEATER than to SFAM.
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We kind of reached a consensus that ALONG FOR THE RIDE is TCOT Part 2, right? :tup
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I have said that I will publish a review, but I have not said when. I don't understand the surprise though, given my track record of publishing reviews (as I'm sure some of the more senior members will attest to).
I need to take my time with the album (which isn't anything special - whenever I've reviewed an album before I've always listened to the album at LEAST 10 times), and to be honest I wouldn't have said anything _here_ if it wasn't for the fact that people started reporting my jokes elsewhere as facts, and I wanted to clarify. It was not my intention to tease people with the album.
Whenever I get a new Dream Theater album, I need to absorb it and take it under my skin. The initial impression can be good or bad, but initial impressions rarely last for me. That's not to say a good first impression will turn into me not liking it, but what first caught my attention with a track may not be what sticks with me after a few times listening to it. I also want to be able to listen to the albums as wholes, to see what that feels like, as well as listening to singular tracks seperately, because the feel of it may change depending on the context. I mean, I can still discover layers in stuff from the 20 year old albums that I just hadn't paid attention to before, maybe a small embellishment that never really caught my attention before... It's amazing that music can survive even thousands of plays like that, and even then still be able to provide something new for me.
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We kind of reached a consensus that ALONG FOR THE RIGHT is TCOT Part 2, right? :tup
Actually, it's TCOT parts 2 and 3, as part of the Fine Wines Suite.
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I have said that I will publish a review, but I have not said when. I don't understand the surprise though, given my track record of publishing reviews (as I'm sure some of the more senior members will attest to).
I need to take my time with the album (which isn't anything special - whenever I've reviewed an album before I've always listened to the album at LEAST 10 times), and to be honest I wouldn't have said anything _here_ if it wasn't for the fact that people started reporting my jokes elsewhere as facts, and I wanted to clarify. It was not my intention to tease people with the album.
Whenever I get a new Dream Theater album, I need to absorb it and take it under my skin. The initial impression can be good or bad, but initial impressions rarely last for me. That's not to say a good first impression will turn into me not liking it, but what first caught my attention with a track may not be what sticks with me after a few times listening to it. I also want to be able to listen to the albums as wholes, to see what that feels like, as well as listening to singular tracks seperately, because the feel of it may change depending on the context. I mean, I can still discover layers in stuff from the 20 year old albums that I just hadn't paid attention to before, maybe a small embellishment that never really caught my attention before... It's amazing that music can survive even thousands of plays like that, and even then still be able to provide something new for me.
Alright, I got it now! Sorry for that...
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We kind of reached a consensus that ALONG FOR THE RIGHT is TCOT Part 2, right? :tup
Actually, it's TCOT parts 2 and 3, as part of the Fine Wines Suite.
Great, then along for the ride will improve with age.
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Oh god, not this again.
BAN THEM! BAN THEM ALL! YOU HAVE THE POWER!
Any references to sleep or dreams or more likely to be references to DREAM THEATER than to SFAM.
Who needs sleep, when you can stay Awake.
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Oh god, not this again.
And to think I started that stuff as a joke :lol
I'll laugh my ass off if it actually turns out to be Metropolis Pt. 3, but I don't think that will happen at all.
This.
We aren`t expecting another Metropolis, but you simply can`t deny the possibility, and it would be the freaking coolest thing among the f...ing coolest things.
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This.
We aren`t expecting another Metropolis, but you simply can`t deny the possibility, and it would be the freaking coolest thing among the f...ing coolest things.
Except... We already know it's not. We already know it's self-titled... =/
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Oh god, not this again.
And to think I started that stuff as a joke :lol
I'll laugh my ass off if it actually turns out to be Metropolis Pt. 3, but I don't think that will happen at all.
This.
We aren`t expecting another Metropolis, but you simply can`t deny the possibility, and it would be the freaking coolest thing among the f...ing coolest things.
If they ever make a concept album again, then i would prefer it not to be Metropolis part 3. A fresh concept would be better.
And the only thing you can't deny are the lines that trace your skin...
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This.
We aren`t expecting another Metropolis, but you simply can`t deny the possibility, and it would be the freaking coolest thing among the f...ing coolest things.
Except... We already know it's not. We already know it's self-titled... =/
The last word has not yet been spoken! :D
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Oh god, not this again.
And to think I started that stuff as a joke :lol
I'll laugh my ass off if it actually turns out to be Metropolis Pt. 3, but I don't think that will happen at all.
This.
We aren`t expecting another Metropolis, but you simply can`t deny the possibility, and it would be the freaking coolest thing among the f...ing coolest things.
I can: it's not Metropolis, Pt. 3.
I love Scenes as much as the next man, but it would not be cool to do a sequel.
And regarding noxon's review, just be patient. He always delivers, and it's always an interesting read.
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it's not Metropolis, Pt. 3.
If you have official info, please share.
And I`m really worried about the spanish guy who said that DT12 drums sounds really bad.
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it's not Metropolis, Pt. 3.
If you have official info, please share.
And I`m really worried about the spanish guy who said that DT12 drums sounds really bad.
I'd ignore it. I wouldn't put much faith in that review for so many reasons.
Hopefully it won't be too long before we have a single, and then we can judge it for ourselves.
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I'd ignore it. I wouldn't put much faith in that review for so many reasons.
Hopefully it won't be too long before we have a single, and then we can judge it for ourselves.
Absolutely this.
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I have said that I will publish a review, but I have not said when. I don't understand the surprise though, given my track record of publishing reviews (as I'm sure some of the more senior members will attest to).
Most of the people who were making commotion are REALLY new members. I'm relatively new as well but wasn't surprised you had it, since I ran into your posts before and just sort of figured who you were.
And I think everyone who ever reviewed an album or thought about what that entails knows albums sometimes take time. No biggie.
I wouldn't put much faith in that review for so many reasons.
Absolutely, if that "review" is the real deal I will eat my computer monitor.
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The spanish guy said that DT12 isn`t different from ADTOE, and other (and to me, much more serious) sources said that is different.
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I wouldn't put much faith in that review for so many reasons.
Absolutely, if that "review" is the real deal I will eat my computer monitor.
(https://www.greenprophet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/eating-computer-560x350.jpg)
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Even if this spanish review is the real deal (and i doubt it), what does it mean for you? He says that the drums sound like midi, but do we know what his background is? is he a drummer? So he doesn't like the drum sound, so what?
Edit: That monitor needs a chocolate layer...
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it's not Metropolis, Pt. 3.
If you have official info, please share.
And I`m really worried about the spanish guy who said that DT12 drums sounds really bad.
You shouldn't care so much what someone else say! DT12 won't fall into everyones taste no matter how good you think it is, that's just the way it is and has always been. Let yourself be the judge over that and don't worry what anyone else feel especially not before you heard it yourself. :)
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it's not Metropolis, Pt. 3.
If you have official info, please share.
The album is called "Dream Theater", not "Metropolis Pt. 3: Dream Theater". Dude.
Oh god, not this again.
This. IT'S NOT METROPOLIS 3 AND IT'S NOT A CONCEPT ALBUM! Will you finally accept it?
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/facepalm.gif)
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Let no review get to you. The new music will be fresh and will surprise our crew.
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Well, there you have your 'point'. I wouldn't be surprised if it came with a video this time, too.
This crossed my mind a little while ago. The reason why we're not hearing anything about the single might be because they are maybe planing on making a video to go along with it.
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I always thought a good way to continue the Metropolis saga would be to give the Hypnotherapist an intriguing backstory that would give him a reason to shoot Nicholas in the present life. Completing the circle yet again would just be the icing on the cake.
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Let no review get to you. The new music will be fresh and will surprise our crew.
I still remember a very bad review I read about SDOIT on the school newspaper in 2002 (yes, it really was there xD), from someone that was desperately trying to compare it to SFAM and was let down by the fact that there was no continuity. He wasn't looking at SDOIT with an opend mind and ended up disliking what was new and unexpected. I was influenced by that too and it took me tens of spins before I could enjoy that album. I remember regularly skipping masterpieces like Blind Faith or The Great Debate. Now SDOIT is one of my favorite albums =) This is why I never give credit to reviews, the only reason why I read them is to understand the style/mood of an album that I still haven't listened to. But for what concerns the actual quality of the music - that is something that it's way too personal - I just decide myself.
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In cases like this one, in my country we use to say
if my grandmother had wheels would be a wheelbarrow
Just sayin'
Or "if my grandfa had three balls he would be a pinball...!"
"If a cow had wheels it would be a milk truck."
We have a "if my grandma had balls she'd be my grandpa" :biggrin:
I always thought a good way to continue the Metropolis saga would be to give the Hypnotherapist an intriguing backstory that would give him a reason to shoot Nicholas in the present life. Completing the circle yet again would just be the icing on the cake.
Yeah but this cake shall not have that icing.
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Yeah, this story is closed and needs not being opened again.
Let no review get to you. The new music will be fresh and will surprise our crew.
I still remember a very bad review I read about SDOIT on the school newspaper in 2002 (yes, it really was there xD), from someone that was desperately trying to compare it to SFAM and was let down by the fact that there was no continuity. He wasn't looking at SDOIT with an opend mind and ended up disliking what was new and unexpected. I was influenced by that too and it took me tens of spins before I could enjoy that album. I remember regularly skipping masterpieces like Blind Faith or The Great Debate. Now SDOIT is one of my favorite albums =) This is why I never give credit to reviews, the only reason why I read them is to understand the style/mood of an album that I still haven't listened to. But for what concerns the actual quality of the music - that is something that it's way too personal - I just decide myself.
Yes. I was thinking of the mixed reviews SDOIT initially got just yesterday. I don't think that DTDT will be such an abrupt change, though.
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Let no review get to you. The new music will be fresh and will surprise our crew.
I still remember a very bad review I read about SDOIT on the school newspaper in 2002 (yes, it really was there xD), from someone that was desperately trying to compare it to SFAM and was let down by the fact that there was no continuity. He wasn't looking at SDOIT with an opend mind and ended up disliking what was new and unexpected. I was influenced by that too and it took me tens of spins before I could enjoy that album. I remember regularly skipping masterpieces like Blind Faith or The Great Debate. Now SDOIT is one of my favorite albums =) This is why I never give credit to reviews, the only reason why I read them is to understand the style/mood of an album that I still haven't listened to. But for what concerns the actual quality of the music - that is something that it's way too personal - I just decide myself.
Good advice.
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We kind of reached a consensus that ALONG FOR THE RIDE is TCOT Part 2, right? :tup
And as I said, Behind the Veil is Beneath the Surface II :neverusethis:
But seriously, DT made Metropolis Pt. 2 to stop the fans from begging for a sequel to Metropolis, so I can't see them making a third part. If a 25-year-old JP saw this thread, I bet he would be like "oh my god, what did I get us into?!" :lol
Also, if the album had a concept, they probably would've given it a proper title instead of making it self-titled.
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When it comes to reviews, I'm basically the same as Blob (I think it was Blob anyway). I pay no attention to whether the reviewer liked or disliked it, as how "good" something is will vary between every person. If the review is only full of gushing praise or cynical cricitism then I'll probably ignore the whole thing (although in the case of gushing praise, if it's well written it can be interesting to read why someone else loves it so much).
But what I read the reviews for are little tidbits of information that I don't already know. They can be a good way to build a picture in your mind of what the album might be like, which can be exciting for the anticipation.
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we usually have some new info from the official DT channels once a week, so I hope to read some review just to pass the other days, I don't care if bad or good, because usually when it comes an album I really try to focus on the music and forget everything else in my mind. And for the last records since Octavarium the first impression has been generally positive, but after few listenings I've always changed my mind and they ended up being not so good for me, though I admit something's gone better in the first effort with Mangini. Idk but I think this will be the first album that won't disappoint me like those in the past, even after many listenings.
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I still remember a very bad review I read about SDOIT on the school newspaper in 2002 (yes, it really was there xD), from someone that was desperately trying to compare it to SFAM and was let down by the fact that there was no continuity. He wasn't looking at SDOIT with an opend mind and ended up disliking what was new and unexpected. I was influenced by that too and it took me tens of spins before I could enjoy that album. I remember regularly skipping masterpieces like Blind Faith or The Great Debate. Now SDOIT is one of my favorite albums =) This is why I never give credit to reviews, the only reason why I read them is to understand the style/mood of an album that I still haven't listened to. But for what concerns the actual quality of the music - that is something that it's way too personal - I just decide myself.
Yes. I was thinking of the mixed reviews SDOIT initially got just yesterday. I don't think that DTDT will be such an abrupt change, though.
Me either. Although I might love that.
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But seriously, DT made Metropolis Pt. 2 to stop the fans from begging for a sequel to Metropolis, so I can't see them making a third part. If a 25-year-old JP saw this thread, I bet he would be like "oh my god, what did I get us into?!" :lol
No kidding :lol
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When it comes to reviews, I'm basically the same as Blob (I think it was Blob anyway). I pay no attention to whether the reviewer liked or disliked it, as how "good" something is will vary between every person. If the review is only full of gushing praise or cynical cricitism then I'll probably ignore the whole thing (although in the case of gushing praise, if it's well written it can be interesting to read why someone else loves it so much).
But what I read the reviews for are little tidbits of information that I don't already know. They can be a good way to build a picture in your mind of what the album might be like, which can be exciting for the anticipation.
Pretty much my thoughts on the subject as well. Since a review is subjective I couldn't care less about whether or not the reviewer actually likes an album (or anything else for that matter). The chance that there is some interesting info in a review is the only reason why I would read one.
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I've learned form past experience that going into a new album expecting or hoping it to be like a previous album will only lead to disappointment and will not by conducive to taking the album on it's own terms.
Plus I get really annoyed when supposed fans of bands just stop listening to them when they put out an album they don't care for.
" Oh I used to be a fan of X but their last album wasn't very good so I don't listen to them anymore "
??? At least wait until they've put out three awful albums in a row before you consider it !
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....Why three?
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I dunno. Wouldn't you be close to giving up if a band released three awful albums back to back ?
They'd have to pretty awful though. Not just " lower tier" albums but out-and-out bad.
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it's not Metropolis, Pt. 3.
If you have official info, please share.
The album is called "Dream Theater", not "Metropolis Pt. 3: Dream Theater". Dude.
Oh god, not this again.
This. IT'S NOT METROPOLIS 3 AND IT'S NOT A CONCEPT ALBUM! Will you finally accept it?
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/facepalm.gif)
Have you accepted it LBC?
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I dunno. Wouldn't you be close to giving up if a band released three awful albums back to back ?
They'd have to pretty awful though. Not just " lower tier" albums but out-and-out bad.
You'd never be able to give up on DT. Unless you don't like Octavarium, SC, or BC/SL.
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You'd never be able to give up on DT. Unless you don't like Octavarium, SC, or BC/SL.
I have liked approximately 15-20% of everything they put out after 2003, but somehow I'm here :lol
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You'd never be able to give up on DT. Unless you don't like Octavarium, SC, or BC/SL.
I have liked approximately 15-20% of everything they put out after 2003, but somehow I'm here :lol
:o
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John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
:metal
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John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
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John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
amidoinitrite?
Anyway, hopefully the intie will be published soon (not DT/OTE soon) :metal
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John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
I should put this in my sig....
Will there be a video for this, do you think?
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No, I just think there will be an article about the interview within a few days...
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John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
amidoinitrite?
John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
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Guys, I'm kinda worried that we haven't heard from John Petrucci in a while. Where do you think he could be?
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Guys, I'm kinda worried that we haven't heard from John Petrucci in a while. Where do you think he could be?
Maybe in a city on the moon?
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I'm excited for this 20-minute epic.
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John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
amidoinitrite?
John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
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What's wrong?
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unless he's giving a song by song synopsis, John never really gives all that much insight when talking about an upcoming album, besides the usual best work to date spiel and probably Mangini is nuts etc.
Still super hyped about noxons upcoming review though...
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unless he's giving a song by song synopsis, John never really gives all that much insight when talking about an upcoming album, besides the usual best work to date spiel and probably Mangini is nuts etc.
Still super hyped about noxons review though...
All this.
I really hope he gives song synopsizes
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what I expect :
1.) Either it will be one of those completely in depth interviews about what guitars and amps and FX he used on the album and a brief song by song synopsis
or
2.) He will give the most fleeting review of the album at the end in a box out - something like " we feel it's our best work to date and our first with our new drummer writing. We're all happy with it and what it stands for and we can't wait to play it live ! "
DT will be out Sep 24th on RoadRunner.
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Unfortunately, I feel number 2 is more likely. :\ However, we should keep our hopes up that we actually hear something new ABOUT the album.
Also, bosk, can we have a :beg: emoticon? I feel like it would be really useful.
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(https://boxersrule.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/bowing.gif)
Close Enough ?
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(https://boxersrule.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/bowing.gif)
Close Enough ?
Beg =/= worship
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So pretty much useless... :(
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Just like me.
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(https://www.legendfire.com/forums//public/style_emoticons/default/beg.gif)
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Unfortunately, I feel number 2 is more likely. :\ However, we should keep our hopes up that we actually hear something new ABOUT the album.
Also, bosk, can we have a :beg: emoticon? I feel like it would be really useful.
I just looked through all my emotes. I can't believe we don't have one.
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(https://www.legendfire.com/forums//public/style_emoticons/default/beg.gif)
That exact one was going to be my second choice :P
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Pretty fair to say he will talk about his gear at the studio and how he baked the chocolate cake.
Maybe there will be a question about what bands/music has he listening to lately.
plans for the future with EB and messa..
and the mandatory question of how was it to write music with manginni 100% involved in the procees
edited: would be nice if He talks about any plans for his solo project
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I'm waiting for some magazine to say this is the first DT album with Mangini.
Lazy journalism is really funny sometimes.
The NME website is habitually full of errors.
They recently said that Metallica had an ex member who had never ever been anywhere near Metallica. :lol
I can't remember the name they used as they had so many complaints they changed it but it wasn't Ron Mcgoverney or Lloyd Grant or Dave Mustaine...
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Also, bosk, can we have a :beg emoticon? I feel like it would be really useful.
Okay.
:lucien:
And just be patient, people. Given how far out from release we still are, there has been a good deal of promotion and release of information. And without getting into specifics, I can tell you that there is a LOT more cool stuff coming between now and 9/24.
Soon...
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bosk, can I have an emote?
:lucien: :lucien: :lucien:
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No.
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Is there a review coming? Reviews always helps me to calm down and sleep tight til the album drops...
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The very only way of standing the wait is taking a pill in order to sleep until september 24th :)
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bosk, can I have an emote?
No. I don't have one either, suck it up :P
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I have two.
:ariich:
:ariich2:
EDIT: Actually... three.
:splodegent:
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This thread is really getting worse than the last one, reviews should be taken with a pinch of salt anyway, music hits people differently...
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I have two.
:ariich:
:ariich2:
EDIT: Actually... three.
:splodegent:
splodegent is one of my favorites.
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I have two.
:ariich:
:ariich2:
EDIT: Actually... three.
:splodegent:
Actually, 4.
:imonahorse:
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Anyone else notice that Eren Başbuğ is the conductor of the live orchestra in the studio? This guy has apparently carved out a nice little spot for himself in DT world after this amazing effort: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=453GmkbZszM.
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John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
amidoinitrite?
John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
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Thanks, bos(s)k
And now, we wait.
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Anyone else notice that Eren Başbuğ is the conductor of the live orchestra in the studio? This guy has apparently carved out a nice little spot for himself in DT world after this amazing effort: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=453GmkbZszM.
It's funny, I just watched that video a week ago for the first time, and when this last studio update came out, I was all like, "hey, they got the symphony guy! Cool!". Didn't click for me until yesterday.
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Anyone else notice that Eren Başbuğ is the conductor of the live orchestra in the studio? This guy has apparently carved out a nice little spot for himself in DT world after this amazing effort: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=453GmkbZszM.
Yep, it was stated some time ago, even before part 3 appeared.
B.Lee
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Anyone else notice that Eren Başbuğ is the conductor of the live orchestra in the studio? This guy has apparently carved out a nice little spot for himself in DT world after this amazing effort: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=453GmkbZszM.
ha yeah I remember he announced it on his Facebook page awhile back. Really happy for him :metal
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John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
Enough of that now please, it was funny for a couple of posts but it's just spamming now.
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Eren is a pretty talented and fortunate musician. The combination with DT could be amazing.
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John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.
Enough of that now please, it was funny for a couple of posts but it's just spamming now.
As are most things in this thread. olol
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Okay lol
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I dunno. Wouldn't you be close to giving up if a band released three awful albums back to back ?
They'd have to pretty awful though. Not just " lower tier" albums but out-and-out bad.
You'd never be able to give up on DT. Unless you don't like Octavarium, SC, or BC/SL.
Yeah. I'm both surprised and happy that a band this many years later can put out such good and consistent albums. They may not suit everyone's tastes, but each album they release can possible be "their best". Most bands start making weaker albums towards the end of their careers.
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I hope that DT history lasts at least a decade from now! They feel rejuvenated and envigorated. Scorpions is a band to follow in that sense (almost 40 years career)
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Eren is a pretty talented and fortunate musician. The combination with DT could be amazing.
Thanks a lot!
Wish I could tell more about everything but better not to until a certain point.
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Eren is a pretty talented and fortunate musician. The combination with DT could be amazing.
Thanks a lot!
Wish I could tell more about everything but better not to until a certain point.
Ohai Eren :o
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Hi Eren! Looking forward to hearing your contribution on the album.
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Forum VIP?
Eren seems to be more important than Charlie Dominici these days :millahhhh
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Uh oh... Please God do not let this thread blow up with people harassing Eren like they did with that RR rep in the previous thread...
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@Eren: You could tell us your impressions of working with the crew for example =) (I don't think that politely asking some questions may be considered harrassing)
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Eren is a pretty talented and fortunate musician. The combination with DT could be amazing.
Thanks a lot!
Wish I could tell more about everything but better not to until a certain point.
Looking forward to hearing your work on the new DT album, and Jordan's new solo project!
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it's not Metropolis, Pt. 3.
If you have official info, please share.
The album is called "Dream Theater", not "Metropolis Pt. 3: Dream Theater". Dude.
Oh god, not this again.
This. IT'S NOT METROPOLIS 3 AND IT'S NOT A CONCEPT ALBUM! Will you finally accept it?
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/facepalm.gif)
Have you accepted it LBC?
Never.
Some day, they will do Metropolis Pt.3 (to close the story).
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The story is closed. A third part would be horribly forced just to please some fans (like you).
And even if they did a Metropolis 3 it's bound to be a letdown. Simply because it can never live up to the expectations. And they know that.
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This is not a Metropolis pt. III thread. Please keept it on topic and avoid spam so that I do not have to start deleting posts and resetting post counts.
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edit: posted this before seeing bosk's post.
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resetting post counts.
Holy crap. Like that infamous "Progger...can't spell?"
:omg:
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The thing is..I don't necessarily need to listen to for example a new single right now...I just want to get some sort of a timetable that states when what is going to be released or not..so that we stop speculating and debatting...that's the thing that's making me crazy.. -.-
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@Eren: You could tell us your impressions of working with the crew for example =) (I don't think that politely asking some questions may be considered harrassing)
They are amazing people. Rich Chycki is a very fun and great engineer, and I think he was behind the scenes very influential.
The schedule overall is insane but they're very devoted and enjoying it. Nobody seemed like burned out after 25+ years of doing it.
I want to quote JP about something, not the exact wording but he said he always likes to listen an album without any pre-speculation or influential thoughts from anyone, as a clear mind and have his first impressions pure. And he wants people to approach the DT albums as so. This particular album deserves this I believe, wouldn't say so for ADTOE, but for this one yes.
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debatting
(https://deepsaila.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/batgone.jpg)
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debatting
(https://deepsaila.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/batgone.jpg)
Oh man...debating
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@Eren: You could tell us your impressions of working with the crew for example =) (I don't think that politely asking some questions may be considered harrassing)
They are amazing people. Rich Chycki is a very fun and great engineer, and I think he was behind the scenes very influential.
The schedule overall is insane but they're very devoted and enjoying it. Nobody seemed like burned out after 25+ years of doing it.
I want to quote JP about something, not the exact wording but he said he always likes to listen an album without any pre-speculation or influential thoughts from anyone, as a clear mind and have his first impressions pure. And he wants people to approach the DT albums as so. This particular album deserves this I believe, wouldn't say so for ADTOE, but for this one yes.
Thank you so much Eren!!!!! Now I can't wait to hear it more than before! I like soooo much the fact that it's going to be something different! Not that I don't like ADTOE, it's just that I love changes! Prog rulez :coolio
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I want to quote JP about something, not the exact wording but he said he always likes to listen an album without any pre-speculation or influential thoughts from anyone, as a clear mind and have his first impressions pure. And he wants people to approach the DT albums as so. This particular album deserves this I believe, wouldn't say so for ADTOE, but for this one yes.
He said that about DT12 in a DT Norway podcast.
Then DT shouldn`t release any single or snippet for this album.
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We should really try to do as JP said, eliminate all the prejudices in an even more thorough way than usual when we will finally approach the new album. It could be thrilling!
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@Eren: You could tell us your impressions of working with the crew for example =) (I don't think that politely asking some questions may be considered harrassing)
They are amazing people. Rich Chycki is a very fun and great engineer, and I think he was behind the scenes very influential.
The schedule overall is insane but they're very devoted and enjoying it. Nobody seemed like burned out after 25+ years of doing it.
I want to quote JP about something, not the exact wording but he said he always likes to listen an album without any pre-speculation or influential thoughts from anyone, as a clear mind and have his first impressions pure. And he wants people to approach the DT albums as so. This particular album deserves this I believe, wouldn't say so for ADTOE, but for this one yes.
Interesting...
What i kind of get from it is.. Album as a whole will be so awesome JP don't want to give us snippets/single to ruin it for us.. Which means album is really great.. which makes me want some snippets/single even more.
I do think a clip from a song from Live at luna park would ease our hunger for a while, they really should do it.
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@Eren: You could tell us your impressions of working with the crew for example =) (I don't think that politely asking some questions may be considered harrassing)
They are amazing people. Rich Chycki is a very fun and great engineer, and I think he was behind the scenes very influential.
Also what you said here is very interesting.
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Looking forward to hearing your work on the new DT album, and Jordan's new solo project!
I thought it was Michael Mierzejewski who collaborated with Jordan. Infact I remember the wizard saying he's going to record with the orchestra in Poland
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@Eren: You could tell us your impressions of working with the crew for example =) (I don't think that politely asking some questions may be considered harrassing)
They are amazing people. Rich Chycki is a very fun and great engineer, and I think he was behind the scenes very influential.
The schedule overall is insane but they're very devoted and enjoying it. Nobody seemed like burned out after 25+ years of doing it.
I want to quote JP about something, not the exact wording but he said he always likes to listen an album without any pre-speculation or influential thoughts from anyone, as a clear mind and have his first impressions pure. And he wants people to approach the DT albums as so. This particular album deserves this I believe, wouldn't say so for ADTOE, but for this one yes.
So it IS a concept album after all...
jk ;D
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I want to quote JP about something, not the exact wording but he said he always likes to listen an album without any pre-speculation or influential thoughts from anyone, as a clear mind and have his first impressions pure. And he wants people to approach the DT albums as so. This particular album deserves this I believe, wouldn't say so for ADTOE, but for this one yes.
He said that about DT12 in a DT Norway podcast.
Then DT shouldn`t release any single or snippet for this album.
They've said the same thing for albums before. It doesn't mean there won't be a single. And I doubt the label would do that either.
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Looking forward to hearing your work on the new DT album, and Jordan's new solo project!
I thought it was Michael Mierzejewski who collaborated with Jordan. Infact I remember the wizard saying he's going to record with the orchestra in Poland
They are handling the recording. I did the orchestration and live performance (in Venezuela and NY).
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Being conceptual or not I strongly feel DREAM THEATER is gonna be epic.
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Being conceptual or not I strongly feel DREAM THEATER is gonna be epic.
There's a 20 minute long epic that was originally labeled as "Epic". I think there is little left to chance, really :P
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Looking forward to hearing your work on the new DT album, and Jordan's new solo project!
I thought it was Michael Mierzejewski who collaborated with Jordan. Infact I remember the wizard saying he's going to record with the orchestra in Poland
They are handling the recording. I did the orchestration and live performance (in Venezuela and NY).
the orchestration in Venezuela was great! :)
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I can't believe this thread is already 80+ pages. Wow!
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I can't believe this thread is already 80+ pages. Wow!
+ the amount of pages from the old thread? i'm pretty sure that's at least 270 pages :lol
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I really hope DT12 breaks the mold of their last several albums. They are OK albums, but sonically they are definitely samey. I want to say it started with Octavarium or SC. If we can get an album that sounds like SFAM or SDOT, I'd be really happy.
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SDOIT's mix is huge. I hope they achieve something like that sound this time around.
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I concur. ADTOE was good musically, but it felt a bit flat sonically.
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This is not a Metropolis pt. III thread. Please keept it on topic and avoid spam so that I do not have to start deleting posts and resetting post counts.
Bosk, I need to get the hang of it... Help me out here.
Metropolis pt. 3 posts, in my opinion, are a legitimate derivation of this thread. People are speculating and drawing theories about the new album (based on the track listing). So I think it's perfectly on topic. Unless you're saying that speculation and theorization are not allowed. Then it's another thing.
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They are handling the recording. I did the orchestration and live performance (in Venezuela and NY).
ah sorry, thanks for the clarification! :smiley:
They are amazing people. Rich Chycki is a very fun and great engineer, and I think he was behind the scenes very influential.
Also what you said here is very interesting.
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yeah, I actually feel the band gives his best with engineers that have got great personality and passionate committment to their works. In addition, I hope the result of their interaction is reflected in a strong Rush-vibe troughout the album, instead of other band's influence we have seen through the last years.
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This is not a Metropolis pt. III thread. Please keept it on topic and avoid spam so that I do not have to start deleting posts and resetting post counts.
Bosk, I need to get the hang of it... Help me out here.
Metropolis pt. 3 posts, in my opinion, are a legitimate derivation of this thread. People are speculating and drawing theories about the new album (based on the track listing). So I think it's perfectly on topic. Unless you're saying that speculation and theorization are not allowed. Then it's another thing.
There is nothing about the new album that relates in any way, shape, or form to Metropolis, so, no, it is not a legitimate derivation of the thread's topic. If people want to have a discussion about the fictitious Metropolis pt. III, someone can start a thread on that topic.
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resetting post counts.
Do it, I dare you.
Also, I can't believe 81 pages of discussion since the art and song titles were released. It's probably going hit 200 pages once a single is dropped.
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No, this thread and our heads will explode when the single arrives!:)
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No, this thread and our heads will explode when no single arrives!:)
Seems like that'd cause more head explosions
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The single will arrive. Chances that it won't are zero.
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I want to quote JP about something, not the exact wording but he said he always likes to listen an album without any pre-speculation or influential thoughts from anyone, as a clear mind and have his first impressions pure. And he wants people to approach the DT albums as so. This particular album deserves this I believe, wouldn't say so for ADTOE, but for this one yes.
This quote warmed my little prog heart, yes an album that clearly demands something from the listener. :metal
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If he really thinks that way, why the band is sending copies to reviewers, knowing that their reviews will be published before the album comes out?
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The single will arrive. Chances that it won't are zero.
Source?
I agree that chances are small, but not that they are zero.
If we were weighing this release against ADTOE, we are long overdue on a single for sure.
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Roadrunner USA confirmed a single in reply to a twee from a fellow DTFer :tup
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Even if they didn't, come on, it's Roadrunner. They need to promote the album.
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If he really thinks that way, why the band is sending copies to reviewers, knowing that their reviews will be published before the album comes out?
There is a reasonable middle ground between properly marketing the album (which includes advance review and, typically, the release of a single) on one hand, while on the other hand keeping most of the substance of the album under wraps until people have the opportunity to hear the album in its entirety the way it was intended to be heard. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
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Besides, just because that's the way HE prefers to experience albums doesn't mean that he thinks it is the only way they should be experienced. And the label will definitely not permit that to happen.
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If someone wants to experience the album fully without singles getting in-between, they might as well stop checking the internet and resist temptation. It's not that hard.
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I'm sure there will be a single, either just before the album drops or just after, before the start of the tour. I'm hoping for just after, so when I listen to the album for the first time I don't have to skip songs for having heard them already.
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I'm sure there will be a single, either just before the album drops or just after, before the start of the tour. I'm hoping for just after, so when I listen to the album for the first time I don't have to skip songs for having heard them already.
...The tour starts on January.
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Releasing a single just after the album drops is the equivalent of delaying foreplay until after sex.
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Just for the record, who else is planning on not listening to the single or any material until the album is out? I feel like I'll have more motivation/self-control if I know there are other people doing it, so when people start freaking out over how good the single is, etc., I won't be fazed.
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The thing is..I don't necessarily need to listen to for example a new single right now...I just want to get some sort of a timetable that states when what is going to be released or not..so that we stop speculating and debatting...that's the thing that's making me crazy.. -.-
Hey, uhm, I know this is quite a shock, but you can stop speculating and debating RIGHT NOW. Just stop.
Besides, just because that's the way HE prefers to experience albums doesn't mean that he thinks it is the only way they should be experienced. And the label will definitely not permit that to happen.
Now I just keep imagining people prying the complete masters out of JP's unwilling hands while he sheds many bear-tears :lol
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Just for the record, who else is planning on not listening to the single or any material until the album is out? I feel like I'll have more motivation/self-control if I know there are other people doing it, so when people start freaking out over how good the single is, etc., I won't be fazed.
I'm trying not to, as of right now. But that's likely to change once the single is released.
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Just for the record, who else is planning on not listening to the single or any material until the album is out? I feel like I'll have more motivation/self-control if I know there are other people doing it, so when people start freaking out over how good the single is, etc., I won't be fazed.
Frankly,
I'M NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO STAAAY AWAAAYYY
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Just for the record, who else is planning on not listening to the single or any material until the album is out? I feel like I'll have more motivation/self-control if I know there are other people doing it, so when people start freaking out over how good the single is, etc., I won't be fazed.
I'm certainly going to try to wait for the album, but there's a good chance I'll break and listen to a single if/when they release it.
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Do you think we'll only have short songs (5-7 minutes) aside from IT? I think almost one song might reach 9-10 minutes, like Sacrificed Sons, the 'short epic' from Octavarium. I'd say the most indicated in this album is Surrender to Reason, I don't know why, it seems to me having a fascinating sci-fi Rush' Moving picture-like theme.
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I believe this album will have a format similar to Octavarium's, judging on the interviews and basically all info that has been said about the record. Several "shorter" and concise songs, and a big epic acting as the centerpiece of it all.
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Just for the record, who else is planning on not listening to the single or any material until the album is out? I feel like I'll have more motivation/self-control if I know there are other people doing it, so when people start freaking out over how good the single is, etc., I won't be fazed.
I'll definitely check out the single. But I'm staying away from anything else. Namely reviews and especially snippets.
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Releasing a single just after the album drops is the equivalent of delaying foreplay until after sex.
Comment of the century. :hefdaddy
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I believe this album will have a format similar to Octavarium's, judging on the interviews and basically all info that has been said about the record. Several "shorter" and concise songs, and a big epic acting as the centerpiece of it all.
Damn! I was hoping for the epic to be Illumination Theory which is at the end of the album...
:neverusethis:
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I believe this album will have a format similar to Octavarium's, judging on the interviews and basically all info that has been said about the record. Several "shorter" and concise songs, and a big epic acting as the centerpiece of it all.
Damn! I was hoping for the epic to be Illumination Theory which is at the end of the album...
:tdwn
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I believe this album will have a format similar to Octavarium's, judging on the interviews and basically all info that has been said about the record. Several "shorter" and concise songs, and a big epic acting as the centerpiece of it all.
Damn! I was hoping for the epic to be Illumination Theory which is at the end of the album...
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I don't understand why you're thumbing this down...
Note the lol face in his post
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DTF Detective
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Now I really want the times for the songs. I'm of the belief that IT is the epic, which would fit with the theory that DT12 is very similar to 8VM, where the epic 20 minute song is at the end of the album. But if we're to take JP literally (which I'm guessing we're not) it would seem that Surrender to Reason is the next logical choice for the epic, as it's somewhere close to the middle of the record. I suppose that works, but IT still seems the most logical choice for the epic.
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What the fuck? Centerpiece does not mean "in the middle", even if you take it literally. We've been over this, guys.
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I believe this album will have a format similar to Octavarium's, judging on the interviews and basically all info that has been said about the record. Several "shorter" and concise songs, and a big epic acting as the centerpiece of it all.
Damn! I was hoping for the epic to be Illumination Theory which is at the end of the album...
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I don't understand why you're thumbing this down...
Note the lol face in his post
He's kind of beating a dead horse (centerpiece argument)
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What the fuck? Centerpiece does not mean "in the middle", even if you take it literally. We've been over this, guys.
To be fair, I was arguing semantics more than anything. I still think IT is the epic. And I know "centerpiece" means the part of the album that commands the most attention.
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Releasing a single just after the album drops is the equivalent of delaying foreplay until after sex.
Now I just keep imagining people prying the complete masters out of JP's unwilling hands while he sheds many bear-tears :lol
So. Much. Win. :clap: :rollin
I'll only listen to the single once, maybe twice if I can't resist the temptation.
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Just for the record, who else is planning on not listening to the single or any material until the album is out? I feel like I'll have more motivation/self-control if I know there are other people doing it, so when people start freaking out over how good the single is, etc., I won't be fazed.
Well after partially ruining my experience from SC with over listening to Constant Motion and The Dark Eternal Night I said to myself I will never listen to anything before the album comes out...
I was successful with AROP and BC&SL and the only reason I listened to OTBOA was because I already knew I will hear it before the album because of tour before the album so I listend to it about 10 to 20 times altogether before the album and it was great and I didn't ruin it completely actually I really liked that the album started with a song I absolutely loved already and it was still kind of fresh... So I'm not sure what will I do with this album it will probably depend on my mood and feelings when the single will be released but right now I'm planning not to listen to it :)
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What the fuck? Centerpiece does not mean "in the middle", even if you take it literally. We've been over this, guys.
THIS.
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Way to fail sarcasm.
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I have to ask what is the point of DT releasing a single. The single will probably not be played much on the radio. I do see new fans possibly discovering DT with the release of a video like they did with On the Backs of Angels. If I had not accidently view the video on a cable music channel I would not have found out about DT.
Have you not heard of the Internet, specifically, Youtube?
Kidding aside, while there was a long time period (1994-2006-ish) of "why even bother wasting money on videos", that is now over, and the impact of even something as simple as a lyric video (ie. James LaBrie's "Back on the Ground") being passed around on Youtube is absolutely tangible and definitely worth spending a little dough on.
Ok, I did not think of it that way. I am from the 70's and remember singles being a big deal. With the internet and the searches just as big a deal. Thanks for clearing it up for this old fogey :D
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The thing is..I don't necessarily need to listen to for example a new single right now...I just want to get some sort of a timetable that states when what is going to be released or not..so that we stop speculating and debatting...that's the thing that's making me crazy.. -.-
Hey, uhm, I know this is quite a shock, but you can stop speculating and debating RIGHT NOW. Just stop.
Bless you, Mora. Truly you are wise. :biggrin:
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Just for the record, who else is planning on not listening to the single or any material until the album is out? I feel like I'll have more motivation/self-control if I know there are other people doing it, so when people start freaking out over how good the single is, etc., I won't be fazed.
I won't be listening to anything because I don't like the idea of singles for a band like Dream Theater. I would rather hear the entire ablum in it's full context.
I might read a few reviews though just to get an idea of what to expect.
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here's my thoughts based on absolutely nothing.
FAS: (not too short, 6-7 minutes)
-sleep paralysis:orchestral intro
-night terrors: full band section
-lucid dream: epic ending w/ orchestra
TEI: short badass heavy song
TLG: short Rush-like song (?)
EM: instrumental (quite short but not too much)
TBP: short something ;D
BTV: short ballad (?)
STR: quite long song (8-9 mins?)
AFTR: short ballad (?)
IT: 20 min. epic
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Do you think we'll only have short songs (5-7 minutes) aside from IT? I think almost one song might reach 9-10 minutes, like Sacrificed Sons, the 'short epic' from Octavarium. I'd say the most indicated in this album is Surrender to Reason, I don't know why, it seems to me having a fascinating sci-fi Rush' Moving picture-like theme.
Well if the album length is 70 min which I heard somewhere and the epic is 20mins, that leaves 8 songs left with an average of 6.25 minutes each. Let's assume 1 song of around 3 minutes and another at 5. The rest would be an average length of 7.
Now here's the kicker. JP said they have worked hard to have the songs flow into each other so I doubt if the length of the songs will be important at all. There are some real short ones on SDOIT, but it's not objectionable at all. I'd be willing to bet there will be a lot of thematic repetition throughout the songs that ties them together. As long as it's not another thick as a Brick I mean.
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Well if the album length is 70 min which I heard somewhere and the epic is 20mins, that leaves 8 songs left with an average of 6.25 minutes each. Let's assume 1 song of around 3 minutes and another at 5. The rest would be an average length of 7.
Now here's the kicker. JP said they have worked hard to have the songs flow into each other so I doubt if the length of the songs will be important at all. There are some real short ones on SDOIT, but it's not objectionable at all. I'd be willing to bet there will be a lot of thematic repetition throughout the songs that ties them together. As long as it's not another thick as a Brick I mean.
I just hope the songs flow into one another with the actual music, and not just tacked on sound effects like on Octavarium.
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I expect something more than 70 mins., the Spanish guy was too vague speaking about that total lenght
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Without wanting to get too much into that saturated debate (again), As far as I know, people refer to Octavarium as a 20 minute epic, when it's actually 24 minutes. For all we know, 70 minutes could be 74, or even less. And who knows, Illumination Theory could be more than 20 as well! (Which would be nice).
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Without wanting to get too much into that saturated debate (again), As far as I know, people refer to Octavarium as a 20 minute epic, when it's actually 24 minutes. For all we know, 70 minutes could be 74, or even less. And who knows, Illumination Theory could be more than 20 as well! (Which would be nice).
I'm quite sure that people mean "20+" minutes when they refer to Octavarium or ACOS as 20 minute songs.
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Without wanting to get too much into that saturated debate (again), As far as I know, people refer to Octavarium as a 20 minute epic, when it's actually 24 minutes. For all we know, 70 minutes could be 74, or even less. And who knows, Illumination Theory could be more than 20 as well! (Which would be nice).
I'm quite sure that people mean "20+" minutes when they refer to Octavarium or ACOS as 20 minute songs.
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But that's exactly what I'm talking about. They know it's longer than 20 but still call it 20 (unless they use the + you used, which I don't remember xD). It might be the same case with the Spanish guy, the difference is that we can't be sure (at least now) that he's averaging and might be the same case when Petrucci says Illumination Theory is a 20 minute epic. But I'm not even a bit worried about the album and the epic's length. Was just throwing me 2 cents there ;)
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The odds of disappointment are high if you guys keep going that way...
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The odds of disappointment are high if you guys keep going that way...
I know, fellow Brazilian ;) But song lengths and album lengths will never disappoint me, because I've never worried about that. What may disappoint me is the quality of the music, but that has been constantly impossible in my recent Dream Theater experiences ;D I just felt like adding my opinion (a short one, hopefully) in the ye old "song and album length" debate.
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:tup
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The odds of disappointment are high if you guys keep going that way...
EXACTLY. If it clocks in ay 19:59 everyone here will say they got screwed.
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The odds of disappointment are high if you guys keep going that way...
EXACTLY. If it clocks in ay 19:59 everyone here will say they got screwed.
I tend to round up. I always considered TCOT to be a 20 minute epic. Of course, by rounding up, I've always considered ACOS and 8VM to be 25 minute epics, which is a step above the 20 minute epic. But nevertheless, if it's just under 20 minutes, I'll still consider it a 20 minute epic. And if it's over 22 minutes, I'll consider it a 25 minute epic.
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Right, I'm staying out of this thread till we get a single. It's exhausting...
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But Octavarium is EXACTLY 24 minutes.
It's 24:00
How can you round that up to 25 ? ;D
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But Octavarium is EXACTLY 24 minutes.
It's 24:00
How can you round that up to 25 ? ;D
Well, maybe I just round the Score version down. ;D
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debatting
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:lol :rollin :lol :rollin
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I think this isn`t true, specially about FAS (from a foreign forum):
1. False Awakening Suite – 2:42
2. The Enemy Inside – 6:17
3. The Looking Glass – 4:53
4. Enigma Machine – 6:01
5. The Bigger Picture – 7:40
6. Behind The Veil – 6:52
7. Surrender To Reason – 6:34
8. Along For The Ride – 4:45
9. Illumination Theory – 22:17
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I think this isn`t true (from a foreign forum):
1. False Awakening Suite – 2:42
2. The Enemy Inside – 6:17
3. The Looking Glass – 4:53
4. Enigma Machine – 6:01
5. The Bigger Picture – 7:40
6. Behind The Veil – 6:52
7. Surrender To Reason – 6:34
8. Along For The Ride – 4:45
9. Illumination Theory – 22:17
I INSTANTLY tuned out after seeing False Awakening Suite at 2 minutes.
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Excepting FAS, the other track lenghts seems very possible.
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Wasn't FAS supposed to be the live intro song?
EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot the song has different parts.
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Excepting FAS, the other track lenghts seems very possible.
Agreed. I can deal with those. Someone forgot the "1" in front of the time for FAS it seems :P
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FAS is DT`s own live intro. Could be short, but I don`t think so. To me, is gonna be around 8 minutes.
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I don't know... If people really wanted to fake it, wouldn't it make more sense to make FAS longer to make it more believable? Unless they... didn't think about that! (Most likely). Just speculating =S
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Right, I'm staying out of this thread till we get a single. It's exhausting...
I'm not going to lie, I only come around whenever an album or something new in DT land is happening. But this thread reminds me a lot of the old Octavarium forum. Take from that what you will. I am however really pumped for the album. I think as far as concepts go, it would be thematic from what we heard JP say with the transitions and what not. More Awake and 8VM than Scenes.
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Be careful, as this would be leaked information.
I'm starting to believe it the more I see it though. False Awakening Suite...
The word false and suite together make me think...
One second. You think you will be awakened to the new album, that THIS will be the other amazing, long song... FALSE.
This is the gibberish/scat song. I bet "technically" an instrumental meant that there are vocals, but not understandable words/words able to be put in liner notes.
I think I just solved something.
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I could see FAS being anywhere from 7-13 min. I mean this is a 3 part song by DT, it can't be that short... This isn't La Villa Strangiato here. No telling though.
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Be careful, as this would be leaked information.
Oh... right. My bad for commenting on it =S
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Be careful, as this would be leaked information.
I'm starting to believe it the more I see it though. False Awakening Suite...
The word false and suite together make me think...
One second. You think you will be awakened to the new album, that THIS will be the other amazing, long song... FALSE.
This is the gibberish/scat song. I bet "technically" an instrumental meant that there are vocals, but not understandable words/words able to be put in liner notes.
I think I just solved something.
So you're saying... It's not False Awakening the Suite, it's Awakening Suite that's False.
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Be careful, as this would be leaked information.
I'm starting to believe it the more I see it though. False Awakening Suite...
The word false and suite together make me think...
One second. You think you will be awakened to the new album, that THIS will be the other amazing, long song... FALSE.
This is the gibberish/scat song. I bet "technically" an instrumental meant that there are vocals, but not understandable words/words able to be put in liner notes.
I think I just solved something.
So you're saying... It's not False Awakening the Suite, it's Awakening Suite that's False.
Basically.
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Makes sense to me. Could be kinda cool, makes more sense than 8+ minutes devoted to what is evidently just an intro tape. I expect lots of sound effects, scats, maybe some spoken word.
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Makes sense to me. Could be kinda cool, makes more sense than 8+ minutes devoted to what is evidently just an intro tape. I expect lots of sound effects, scats, maybe some spoken word by Myung.
FTFY
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I tend to round up. I always considered TCOT to be a 20 minute epic. Of course, by rounding up, I've always considered ACOS and 8VM to be 25 minute epics, which is a step above the 20 minute epic. But nevertheless, if it's just under 20 minutes, I'll still consider it a 20 minute epic. And if it's over 22 minutes, I'll consider it a 25 minute epic.
The way I round up, I consider Wait for Sleep to be a 45-minute song.
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I tend to round up. I always considered TCOT to be a 20 minute epic. Of course, by rounding up, I've always considered ACOS and 8VM to be 25 minute epics, which is a step above the 20 minute epic. But nevertheless, if it's just under 20 minutes, I'll still consider it a 20 minute epic. And if it's over 22 minutes, I'll consider it a 25 minute epic.
The way I round up, I consider Wait for Sleep to be a 45-minute song.
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I agree it's hard to believe that the entire FAS is 2 minutes. I could see maybe all three parts being 2 minutes each, but not the whole thing being 2 minutes. That's ridiculous. :lol
And another thing. I know that some of the foreign press has gotten the cd early and reviewed it. That's fine, as the label has ok'd it, but I find it hard to believe that the label would allow the foreign press to publish something about the record that's official, i.e. the track times. I mean, I suppose they could have, but something tells me those times are just guesses.
If I'm wrong, I'm cool with that. I'll just be underwhelmed by FAS. :sadpanda:
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Wait, wait, wait, guys...how credible is the forum? Where exactly did you find this? I mean, which forum?
I calculated...the total running time for the album is "only" 68 minutes :(
Do you think these are the true lengths?? :/
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Does it really matter? I'm baffled at how anybody might be disappointed an album is ONLY 68 minutes long... :|
If it is 68 minutes long, that's 68 minutes of new Dream Theater, MORE than an hour long, in the end, whether it's 68 minutes or 78 minutes, is it worth being upset about, especially if the songs don't need to be super long?
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Not this again. :facepalm:
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Not this again. :facepalm:
Seriously, this so damned much.
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Does it really matter? I'm baffled at how anybody might be disappointed an album is ONLY 68 minutes long... :|
If it is 68 minutes long, that's 68 minutes of new Dream Theater, MORE than an hour long, in the end, whether it's 68 minutes or 78 minutes, is it worth being upset about, especially if the songs don't need to be super long?
Well, even 10 minutes more that could be "missing"...I'd go for 78 minutes instead of 68 minutes...you can stop listening after 68 minutes but I wouldn't..anyway, we don't know if these figures are correct...I remember that shortly before the real lengths of ADTOE were released, someone stated BTS to be a 20 minute epic..so we don't know yet
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70 minutes is A LOT of music. Seriously some of my favorite records this year have been around 40 minutes or less in length. and that's all I'll ever say on that...
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I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..
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The only advance copy of a DT album I got was SC, which given to me a month or so before the release by a former colleague who knew I was a DT fanatic. I didnt ask for the advance CD, this person just handed to me one day. I now prefer to just wait for the official release with the artwork and full presentation.
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I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..
I would encourage you to consider the quality vs. quantity thing. Is a longer album likely to have consistently higher quality material? I'd say the two are negatively correlated most of the time. The first exception that comes to mind for me is SDOIT: fantastic from start to finish imo. Something like Systematic chaos? It approaches the 80 min mark, and yet I am of the opinion that is one of their weaker albums....
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I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..
I would encourage you to consider the quality vs. quantity thing. Is a longer album likely to have consistently higher quality material? I'd say the two are negatively correlated most of the time. The first exception that comes to mind for me is SDOIT: fantastic from start to finish imo. Something like Systematic chaos? It approaches the 80 min mark, and yet I am of the opinion that is one of their weaker albums....
Maybe you are right...buy maybe it's just coincidence... ;)
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Edit: And I can't yet consider a quality - quantity aspect.. =)
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Edit 2: But who knows if these figures are legit...? I personally think to would fit pretty good in terms of what we've heard so far..
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I won't believe any track lengths unless they are on some webshop site or from an official source. That said, I don't think it's impossible that those might be the actual track lengths - JP said False Awakening Suite will be a kind of intro for their shows, so it can't be too long despite being a "suite" and if multiple people with advance copies confirm that the album is approximately 70 minutes long, then those track lengths may be taken seriously.
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Wasn't FAS supposed to be the live intro song?
EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot the song has different parts.
Doesn't mean they're long.
Under three minutes is perfectly plausible for False Awakening Suite. Honestly, I can't imagine it being much longer than that. I think people got rather too hung up on the idea it might be an epic from the subtitles. This was always a fairly false assumption, and didn't particularly tie in with what was on the song board. Pure Reason Revolution have a subtitled song where one of the movements is 55 seconds. And, sits as its own track!
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Those track lenght are feasible, but it's nothing that couldn't have been made up by a well informed fan. So, for now, I will regard them as not true.
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^ this is what I was getting at :tup
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Well, reading some interviews looks like FAS is a sort of substitute to "Dream is Collapsing" as concert intro...
"Dream is collapsing" is 2:25, so....
I was also thinking that one of the reasons for the DVD delay might be that they wanted to replace "Dream is Collapsing " with FAS, given that they had to drop "Dream is Collapsing" for copyright reasons...
Might also be that some DT fan-joker had my same idea and created a fake track lengths list based on this.! :biggrin:
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I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..
I would encourage you to consider the quality vs. quantity thing. Is a longer album likely to have consistently higher quality material? I'd say the two are negatively correlated most of the time. The first exception that comes to mind for me is SDOIT: fantastic from start to finish imo. Something like Systematic chaos? It approaches the 80 min mark, and yet I am of the opinion that is one of their weaker albums....
Not sure what you're getting at here, since SDOIT is about 96 minutes long.
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I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..
I would encourage you to consider the quality vs. quantity thing. Is a longer album likely to have consistently higher quality material? I'd say the two are negatively correlated most of the time. The first exception that comes to mind for me is SDOIT: fantastic from start to finish imo. Something like Systematic chaos? It approaches the 80 min mark, and yet I am of the opinion that is one of their weaker albums....
Not sure what you're getting at here, since SDOIT is about 96 minutes long.
you're not sure of the idea that i think SDOIT is an exception to the quality/quantity tradoff in that its brilliant and incredibly long or....?
edit: i will say that while SDOIT is my favorite DT release, I still feel it drags in some spots.
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Alright, that was a misunderstanding.
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I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..
I would encourage you to consider the quality vs. quantity thing. Is a longer album likely to have consistently higher quality material? I'd say the two are negatively correlated most of the time. The first exception that comes to mind for me is SDOIT: fantastic from start to finish imo. Something like Systematic chaos? It approaches the 80 min mark, and yet I am of the opinion that is one of their weaker albums....
Not sure what you're getting at here, since SDOIT is about 96 minutes long.
you're not sure of the idea that i think SDOIT is an exception to the quality/quantity tradoff in that its brilliant and incredibly long or....?
edit: i will say that while SDOIT is my favorite DT release, I still feel it drags in some spots.
Not disagreeing with you, but I'm curious which parts do you think drag? I think most of the parts that drag are on the first CD. Specifically, Misunderstood and Disappear, and those are still good songs.
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^ yeah particularly Misunderstood and Disappear but even some of the instrumental stuff in the Glass prison just doesn't do anything for me on a musical level (particularly towards the end). Also the Overture drags for me a bit, and I know it has it's purpose and it fulfills that purpose well, but it doesn't serve itself well on multiple listens.
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I think FAS is longer than 2:42, but they don`t need to use all the suite as an intro for the shows, but only one of the movements.
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Have they said that the whole FAS is a intro song? Maybe it's just Sleep Paralysis that's the intro and the others are regular tracks?
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Have they said that the whole FAS is a intro song? Maybe it's just Sleep Paralysis that's the intro and the others are regular tracks?
That's what I pretty much assumed from their statement. Not regular 'tracks', since numerically the whole thing is one track, but yeah, I assumed that when they said they were making an 'intro' to their live shows, they were talking about just the first part of the whole suite.
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Have they said that the whole FAS is a intro song? Maybe it's just Sleep Paralysis that's the intro and the others are regular tracks?
I strongly believe that is the case, actually. Kinda like the Overture to SDOIT.
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gee i sure can't wait for this album :corn
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from the 5/8 forum:
"Dear Noxon I kindly asking you if you can, to confirm the following song lengths...
1. False Awakening Suite – 2:42
2. The Enemy Inside – 6:17
ecc."
noxon: "Without looking at my copy, it looks very correct."
Also he said the review will be ready within 2-3 days. can't wait to read it.
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I don't know who this Noxon is, why does he have an advance copy?
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I don't know who this Noxon is, why does he have an advance copy?
Some boss of the Norwegian Fan Club, I believe.
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I don't know who this Noxon is, why does he have an advance copy?
Some boss of the Norwegian Fan Club, I believe.
Okay, thanks.
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Maybe I should remove this.
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Again, I don't think this stuff is supposed to be posted at this moment in time.
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Again, I don't think this stuff is supposed to be posted at this moment in time.
Oh sh**. Would u advise snipping it then? I don't think it's against the rules as they are approximations that haven't been clarified absolutely, but then again if you think so i'm happy to remove my post.
Edit for curious folk: nothing of interest, really...
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Again, I don't think this stuff is supposed to be posted at this moment in time.
Oh sh**. Would u advise snipping it then? I don't think it's against the rules as they are approximations that haven't been clarified absolutely, but then again if you think so i'm happy to remove my post.
I'd play it safe.
edit: I'm not trying to mini-mod. Just no point in getting a ban over something like song lengths.
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Darth Vader will appear soon and he will eat your ass! :police: :biggrin:
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meanwhile...
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If the record company wanted certain details to be secret, they would've told the press not to disclose them. From what I know this has not been done, so information from reviewers like myself will contain information that this forum would view as spoilers and "non-official". I think the record company is well aware that once the review copies are sent out they have lost control of the flow of information, and that fact is calculated into the whole PR-engine.
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That sounds correct with what I have read before about advance copies of records and films given to reviewers - the record/film companies normally let the reviewers know if there are things they would prefer be kept secret.
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If the record company wanted certain details to be secret, they would've told the press not to disclose them. From what I know this has not been done, so information from reviewers like myself will contain information that this forum would view as spoilers and "non-official". I think the record company is well aware that once the review copies are sent out they have lost control of the flow of information, and that fact is calculated into the whole PR-engine.
Thank you for writing this post.
I love this forum for many things, but when it comes to "non-official" information some people go crazy. As if talking about songs lengths equals piracy and will cause John Petrucci's children to starve to death because he looses his income.
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at this point it's really possible that FAS it's shorter than the other instrumental (EM?). I was thinking at JP in ep.3 speaking about an instrumental, mainly, and 'technically' a second one, which sounds to me FAS is considered an instrumental of shorter dimensions (I don't think he means in terms of importance, cause it's the album opener).
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I want to clarify that my post has nothing to do with what this forum has as guidelines and rules, and I am in no way contesting those rules. My statement was generic and not specific to this forum. If the mods on this forum do not want the track times posted, that's their prerogative.
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I always thought that only the first part of FAS would be the instrumental and the following two parts would be with vocals..
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Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?
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Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?
Random song length generator machine (aka "Enigma Machine")
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Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?
Random song length generator machine (aka "Enigma Machine")
Haha ^^
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Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?
from a "foreign forum" apparently, in which it was said that the song lengths look about right according to someone who has a copy of the album...
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Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?
Review copies of the album are already out. Music journalists are enjoying it as we speak.
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Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?
from a "foreign forum" apparently, in which it was said that the song lengths look about right according to someone who has a copy of the album...
Sounds a bit far-fetched if you ask me...all these guys who claim to have a copy...I just don't know..
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Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?
from a "foreign forum" apparently, in which it was said that the song lengths look about right according to someone who has a copy of the album...
Sounds a bit far-fetched if you ask me...all these guys who claim to have a copy...I just don't know..
Promotion.
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"All these guys" are reviewers, so yes they'll have a copy. Noxon is well established as the head of the Norwegian fanclub, and has had promo versions for release purposes for the last couple of albums at least, longer probably.
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Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?
from a "foreign forum" apparently, in which it was said that the song lengths look about right according to someone who has a copy of the album...
Sounds a bit far-fetched if you ask me...all these guys who claim to have a copy...I just don't know..
I know I said I was avoiding this thread, but now we have probable track times, I just want to address this point: promo copies have been released and will become more widespread in the near future. Noxon's credentials are irrefutable, he's been reviewing DT albums for as long as I can remember.
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So we're allowed to discuss these track lengths then? Just making sure ;D
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I'm amazed a review hasn't been posted yet. Noxon is admittedly taking his time and not wanting to be the first, so you'd think there would be plenty of publications that would love to have the first review of the new Dream Theater album, but apparently not.
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Hopefully there'll be a review soon =)
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Promo copies usually are released a couple of month before the street date, to allow music journalist to listen to the album properly to write a review, as well as provide enough time for print magazines like classic rock prog in where the entire magazine has to be written and made ready long before it actually hits the stand (due to production time etc). If a band wants their album to be reviewed in time for the release date, they have to do it like this. For most bands, the bulk amount of sales of new albums happen within the first few weeks - which is why DT for instance will blip into some charts one week and out of it again the week after. Certain established giant sellers with huge established fan bases can skip the review process, but overall this part of the PR-engine is not wise to skip, because while you can expect the hardcore fanatics to buy the album, what you really want is the exposure to the casual audiences (and the potential exposure to new people).
Now, a side effect of this is that because you don't treat the journalists differently depending on whether they are radio, tv, magazines or internet sites, everyone get the promo at the same time regardless of whether they need it or not.
Trust me when I say this; there are literally hundreds of people out there right now who has the album, who is under no obligation to keep the album a secret. Details will come out, and I don't think people would lie just for the sake of lying at this point, as there are enough people who can actually bust them on the lies...
As for me not wanting to be first; don't read to much into that. It'll be ready when it's ready, and even then I might hold on to it for a while - so don't expect one just yet.
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Promo copies usually are released a couple of month before the street date, to allow music journalist to listen to the album properly to write a review, as well as provide enough time for print magazines like classic rock prog in where the entire magazine has to be written and made ready long before it actually hits the stand (due to production time etc). If a band wants their album to be reviewed in time for the release date, they have to do it like this. For most bands, the bulk amount of sales of new albums happen within the first few weeks - which is why DT for instance will blip into some charts one week and out of it again the week after. Certain established giant sellers with huge established fan bases can skip the review process, but overall this part of the PR-engine is not wise to skip, because while you can expect the hardcore fanatics to buy the album, what you really want is the exposure to the casual audiences (and the potential exposure to new people).
Now, a side effect of this is that because you don't treat the journalists differently depending on whether they are radio, tv, magazines or internet sites, everyone get the promo at the same time regardless of whether they need it or not.
Trust me when I say this; there are literally hundreds of people out there right now who has the album, who is under no obligation to keep the album a secret. Details will come out, and I don't think people would lie just for the sake of lying at this point, as there are enough people who can actually bust them on the lies...
As for me not wanting to be first; don't read to much into that. It'll be ready when it's ready, and even then I might hold on to it for a while - so don't expect one just yet.
Hey, Noxon, while you are already here :D
Could/Are you allowed to tell us if the song legths are correct? =)
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REVIEW NOXON REVIEW NOXON REVIEW NOXON :metal
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Only thing I will care about in his review or any other is that they feel it's solid sonically.
As far as his review, seems he may be better served waiting several months as he said he has enjoyed DT's recent output
initially but the enjoyment has ebbed over time and that he goes back to earlier DT most of the time. If this album follows
that trend he will enjoy it initially. If he does not connect with in the early stages that could actually be a good thing long term.
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I'm amazed a review hasn't been posted yet. Noxon is admittedly taking his time and not wanting to be the first, so you'd think there would be plenty of publications that would love to have the first review of the new Dream Theater album, but apparently not.
"Worst. Album. Ever."
You don't wanna be the first one to say this to a bunch of DT fan-boys... ;D
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Noxon, do not compromise the integrity of your review for the fanboys...
give it to us as objectively as possible and honestly :tup
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Take your time, Noxon. Enjoy the album a few more times, then let us enjoy your words, as later as you feel necessary.
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Petruccinator12: i'm not allowed to break the rules of this forum.
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Petruccinator12: i'm not allowed to break the rules of this forum.
That's unfortunate :P
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Take your time but don't take too long ;)
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Has Bosk, nick or blob not got a copy? Sorry I don't know how comnected you guys are to DT, I've heard blob did some videos or something for them and Bosk seems to get some info early...
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I know we are a forum of die-hards, but give Noxon some time. Tons of "review now!!!! Please!!!!" will not speed things up.
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noxon, thanks for being such a good sport. I can only apologise for the people pestering you for a review (even if it is mostly in jest), it's always like this around new album time with lots of buzz and loads of new members appearing.
Regarding the divulging of information on the album (such as confirming or otherwise the track lengths), I'm checking what the forum stance is on that so we'll get back to you shortly. :tup
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REVIEW NOXON REVIEW NOXON REVIEW NOXON :metal
Seriously, man? Come on. Let noxon do his thing.
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noxon, thanks for being such a good sport. I can only apologise for the people pestering you for a review (even if it is mostly in jest), it's always like this around new album time with lots of buzz and loads of new members appearing.
If anything, I'm actually quite flattered. I'm coming here of my own accord, so I don't mind.
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I can't be the only one here that thinks this thread is getting completely out of hand on every single page until someone has to step in again. Then the madness starts again. Come on, it's just an album release, I'm waiting for it as well, but I'm not hung up over it. Go find something else to do as well - and that's meant as friendly and helpful advice. I'll be checking this thread for updates, but scrolling through tens of pages of 'OMG the album is *only* 70 minutes long, wtf!' (which in itself is a ridiculous statement as far as I'm concerned) is getting very annoying.
/rant
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I think it's just that a) people somehow think it's obligatory to keep the discussion going even when nothing's going on b) there's a huge bunch of people and they all wanna add their 2 cents to the ongoing discussions. Rob's fact finder thread is being updated with everything super-important, and I'll try to update one of my first posts in this thread with other interesting goodies and/or utilize my fydreamtheater Tumblr account for these purposes, buuut, you know. That's all we can do. The thread IS gonna have a bunch of people speculating non-stop and that's okay.
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Just for the record, who else is planning on not listening to the single or any material until the album is out? I feel like I'll have more motivation/self-control if I know there are other people doing it, so when people start freaking out over how good the single is, etc., I won't be fazed.
I'm down. I've resisted listening to the new Haken song, in preparation for if/when a DT single gets released.
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I AM going to listen to it once, since about everyone I know will ask me "what do you think of the new DT song", but no more than that.
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If there is a single, I am at least going to go through the process of holding off and watching peoples reactions to the single over time, just to see how they change. If i'm strong enough I will try and wait until album release, but I don't think I am.
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For ADToE I first decided that I wouldn't listen to anything before the release but then I just realized that I only want to do what I want to do (duh). Whether or not I decide I will listen to the single I will still inevitably want to listen to it, which means it will only do more "harm" than good for me if I don't.
Bring on a single, I will listen to it.
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Ideally, you all should avoid reviews before listening to the album. The problem with reviews is that they shape the way you receive and process an album (a movie, a book, whatever). You can't help it. You start to listen with someonelse's ears. If someone wrote something bad about the drumming or the solos, your senses will be biased, a pre-conception will be there and subconsciously working. If you had not read anything in the first place, maybe you would have not cared at all. Music is a very personal experience. Reviews take it away from us!
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This thread is the only one I skip through many posts, sometimes whole pages; partially to catch up, but because I'll be reading through for a while and at some point, I realize I'm reading absolutely nothing. This thread is the centerpiece of the DTF.
The thought of a large amount of people having copies of new DT music that I can't hear right now = :(
This is what I thought of when I saw people reacting to the album being "only" 70 minutes:
(https://nooooooooooooooo.com/vader.jpg)
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REVIEW NOXON REVIEW NOXON REVIEW NOXON :metal
Seriously, man? Come on. Let noxon do his thing.
Hey man keep calm.. I just joking ;)
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He obvioulsy wasn't asking noxon to post his review. Since he started the repeating words with "review", it is clear that he wants us to review noxon.
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He obvioulsy wasn't asking noxon to post his review. Since he started the repeating words with "review", it is clear that he wants us to review noxon.
I give noxon an 8.5/10
:tup
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To keep things in perspective, Dark Side of the Moon is 42:59. No one should be whining about "just" 70 minutes of quality music.
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To keep things in perspective, album length and quality musical content are mutually exclusive
:tup
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Images and Words is 57 minutes. Can you imagine how bad you'd feel bitching about a new album being so "short", then receiving an album of the caliber of Images and Words? :lol
We've been spoiled. I've never noticed any correlation between album length and quality. An album should be as long as it needs to be, whether that's 35 minutes, or 75 minutes.
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Fear of a Blank Planet runs for 50 minutes, and I'm sure that's an album lots of you appreciate.
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Exactly, and while many people love both FII and Systematic Chaos, they are also frequently rated to be among the worst of DT's albums.
They both run approximately 78 minutes.
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70 minuted wouldn't bother me. 50 would. If the music was good, that'd be cool and it would still be a good album. But I would feel like we could have gotten much more good music with it.
TesseracT's "One" is one of my favorites ever, and it's ~50. I love it, but I still wish that it had been longer. Same for some of the ones mentioned above.
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Quality over quantity any day.
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I've heard it again and again... Size is not everything.
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Quality over quantity any day.
suggesting that you think the new DT is of greater quality AHA!
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70 minutes after two years wait would be FINE for me.
What I really hate is when you wait 6 years for an album that's 34 minutes long.
:(
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/GNRchinesedemocracy.jpg)
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Images and Words is 57 minutes. Can you imagine how bad you'd feel bitching about a new album being so "short", then receiving an album of the caliber of Images and Words? :lol
I'd honestly be disappointed if I don't like DT12 more than I&W. I&W is in the bottom half of DT albums for me :lol
What I really hate is when you wait 6 years for an album that's 34 minutes long.
:(
Time I?
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Images and Words is 57 minutes. Can you imagine how bad you'd feel bitching about a new album being so "short", then receiving an album of the caliber of Images and Words? :lol
I'd honestly be disappointed if I don't like DT12 more than I&W. I&W is in the bottom half of DT albums for me :lol
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2299333888/h6ECA810A/)
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Most of my all-time favorite albums are approximately 40-60 minutes long, so I wouldn't mind if DT released an album "even" shorter than 70 minutes. Then again, maybe the current system is better than getting a short album and loads of bonus tracks scattered on different editions.
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Images and Words is 57 minutes. Can you imagine how bad you'd feel bitching about a new album being so "short", then receiving an album of the caliber of Images and Words? :lol
I'd honestly be disappointed if I don't like DT12 more than I&W. I&W is in the bottom half of DT albums for me :lol
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2299333888/h6ECA810A/)
Alright ;D
Then again, maybe the current system is better than getting a short album and loads of bonus tracks scattered on different editions.
Somehow this reminds me of Circle ;)
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Images and Words is 57 minutes. Can you imagine how bad you'd feel bitching about a new album being so "short", then receiving an album of the caliber of Images and Words? :lol
I'd honestly be disappointed if I don't like DT12 more than I&W. I&W is in the bottom half of DT albums for me :lol
Ok, well for anyone else, it was a pretty safe comparison to make. You may excuse yourself now. :lol
(Don't worry, I rank Awake at the bottom of my rankings, so I'm down with weird opinions)
Most of my favourite albums are '80s and early '90s rock albums, most of which are 40-60 minutes, so I couldn't care less about album length or song length. I'll judge it when I hear it, not based on numbers.
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Regarding the length issue, I think that when a band is set on filling up a CD, what often happens is that they end up with a lot of... well, filler. Fluff. Tracks which don't necessarily match up to the others in terms of quality, but which are included anyway for the sake of having a longer album.
I'm overgeneralizing, of course. It's possible to have a 78 minute album of all-killer-no-filler. But when it comes right down to it, I think a shorter album is a pretty good sign that the band is being more selective about what makes the cut.
Incidentally, I've made this point before, but last time I made it, I was discussing a 40 minute album. Now I'm discussing a ~70 minute album. Only on DTF.
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That's one of the things I admire of Steven Wilson the most. The man has said multiple times how he believes albums are more than just the sum of their parts, and that they last what they have to last in order to achieve such cohesion.
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Regarding the length issue, I think that when a band is set on filling up a CD, what often happens is that they end up with a lot of... well, filler. Fluff. Tracks which don't necessarily match up to the others in terms of quality, but which are included anyway for the sake of having a longer album.
I'm overgeneralizing, of course. It's possible to have a 78 minute album of all-killer-no-filler. But when it comes right down to it, I think a shorter album is a pretty good sign that the band is being more selective about what makes the cut.
I think the average song length is also a pretty good sign that there's no padding here, and probably more variety in song structures.
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Images and Words is 57 minutes. Can you imagine how bad you'd feel bitching about a new album being so "short", then receiving an album of the caliber of Images and Words? :lol
I'd honestly be disappointed if I don't like DT12 more than I&W. I&W is in the bottom half of DT albums for me :lol
What I really hate is when you wait 6 years for an album that's 34 minutes long.
:(
Time I?
Eh ?
Anyway - Bryan Adams released 18 Til I Die in 1996 which was itself 5 years after Waking Up The Neighbours. But After 1998's On A Day Like Today - his next studio album wasn't until 2004's Room Service - which is a fine album but was only 34 mins long. And then a further 4 years until 2008's " 11 " album. Which was a bit longer.
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Time I was released six years after it was announced and is not much longer than what you said. I thought you were taking about that album.
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Ok. I'd not heard of it. Not heard Wintersun either.
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Have they said that the whole FAS is a intro song? Maybe it's just Sleep Paralysis that's the intro and the others are regular tracks?
I think this is very unlikely - more wishful thinking than logical deduction.
It's been fairly clear, since the tracklist was released, that False Awakening Suite was "YARGGG" on the progress board, and it's not listed as a song, it's listed as an "opening," and there aren't two more tracks unaccounted for. I think it'd be a mistake to expect anything upward of four minutes.
I could, of course, be completely wrong on all of this - and feel free to quote this post at me and cackle if that turns out to be the case! But I'm generally of the opinion that anyone who saw it had subtitles and presumed it was a second epic was making a hasty and ultimately flawed deduction. I think what we know strongly suggests a much shorter track. Longer than Regression, yeah, but not much.
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Then again, maybe the current system is better than getting a short album and loads of bonus tracks scattered on different editions.
Somehow this reminds me of Circle ;)
Yeah, it's a good example :-\
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I think a big reason for some people being nervous about a shorter DT album is that since there is likely gonna be a song roughly around 20 minutes, if you don't think that long song is really great, there is only another 35-40 minutes of music. In other words, it is hard for many to call a 60-minute album great if it has a 20-minute song they don't think is great.
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On the subject of people complaining about a shorter album, I would have been fine had in 2008 DT released The Count of Tuscany as an EP, with nothing else.
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I would not have been.
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Regarding the length issue, I think that when a band is set on filling up a CD, what often happens is that they end up with a lot of... well, filler. Fluff. Tracks which don't necessarily match up to the others in terms of quality, but which are included anyway for the sake of having a longer album.
I'm overgeneralizing, of course. It's possible to have a 78 minute album of all-killer-no-filler. But when it comes right down to it, I think a shorter album is a pretty good sign that the band is being more selective about what makes the cut.
I think the average song length is also a pretty good sign that there's no padding here, and probably more variety in song structures.
Also a very good point.
I think a big reason for some people being nervous about a shorter DT album is that since there is likely gonna be a song roughly around 20 minutes, if you don't think that long song is really great, there is only another 35-40 minutes of music. In other words, it is hard for many to call a 60-minute album great if it has a 20-minute song they don't think is great.
Eh, I suppose this may be a factor, but I haven't really seen anyone expressing any doubt about how awesome the epic is gonna be. In fact, the most unanimous thing I've seen is that pretty much everybody's thoroughly excited about the epic.
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I think a big reason for some people being nervous about a shorter DT album is that since there is likely gonna be a song roughly around 20 minutes, if you don't think that long song is really great, there is only another 35-40 minutes of music. In other words, it is hard for many to call a 60-minute album great if it has a 20-minute song they don't think is great.
True, but on the flipside, at least there are more tracks than an album such as BCASL, where having so few songs was a definite hindrance. And it will still be about 50 minutes of music aside from the epic, which ain't bad.
I'm really not expecting DT to mess up a 20+ minute song under these circumstances though.
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I think a big reason for some people being nervous about a shorter DT album is that since there is likely gonna be a song roughly around 20 minutes, if you don't think that long song is really great, there is only another 35-40 minutes of music. In other words, it is hard for many to call a 60-minute album great if it has a 20-minute song they don't think is great.
Good point. The title-track, while a top 10 song, can't save Octavarium as an album for me.
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You do realise that 70 minutes is one hour and ten minutes ?
If you start the album at midday - it will not finish playing until ten past one.
That's a shit load of music if you ask me.
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You do realise that 70 minutes is one hour and ten minutes ?
If you start the album at midday - it will not finish playing until ten past one.
That's a shit load of music if you ask me.
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True, but on the flipside, at least there are more tracks than an album such as BCASL, where having so few songs was a definite hindrance. And it will still be about 50 minutes of music aside from the epic, which ain't bad.
That's what irked me so much about Black Clouds. If you dislike 2 of the 6 songs on the entire album - that leaves a grand total of 4 songs on the whole album that you enjoy.
With a greater number of tracks - you have a lot more choice.
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
:facepalm: My opinion is not gonna change in the three seconds it takes to hit Post again....
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Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
:facepalm: My opinion is not gonna change in the three seconds it takes to hit Post again....
Did you know you can turn that off? It would save a lot of those annoying posts from you.
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According to the forum rules, is it possible to post link of any review we can find on the internet?
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I think yes.
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According to the forum rules, is it possible to post link of any review we can find on the internet?
If the review is based on leaked material, no! If not, I think it's fine.
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According to the forum rules, is it possible to post link of any review we can find on the internet?
Generally speaking, yes. But if it is clear that the "review" is based on unauthorized leaked information, or if it contains unauthorized samples, I will ban it.
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Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
:facepalm: My opinion is not gonna change in the three seconds it takes to hit Post again....
Did you know you can turn that off? It would save a lot of those annoying posts from you.
I did not know that. How?
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Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
:facepalm: My opinion is not gonna change in the three seconds it takes to hit Post again....
Did you know you can turn that off? It would save a lot of those annoying posts from you.
I did not know that. How?
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Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
:facepalm: My opinion is not gonna change in the three seconds it takes to hit Post again....
Did you know you can turn that off? It would save a lot of those annoying posts from you.
I did not know that. How?
Profile > Look and Layout > Don't warn on new replies made while posting.
I didn't realize people didn't know it could be disabled. Heck, I forgot we even have it. Be free, my friends!
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I like it. I figure it keeps me from making redundant posts.
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Most of my post count is built on redundant posts.
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I like it. I figure it keeps me from making redundant posts.
Hasn't stopped you yet! ;D
Sorry. Just kidding. Couldn't resist.
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I can't be the only one here that thinks this thread is getting completely out of hand on every single page until someone has to step in again. Then the madness starts again. Come on, it's just an album release, I'm waiting for it as well, but I'm not hung up over it. Go find something else to do as well - and that's meant as friendly and helpful advice. I'll be checking this thread for updates, but scrolling through tens of pages of 'OMG the album is *only* 70 minutes long, wtf!' (which in itself is a ridiculous statement as far as I'm concerned) is getting very annoying.
/rant
You are quite correct, which is why I am asking this question: assuming the half confirmed song lenghts (unless they have been disproved during the previous two hours) are indeed real, how do you think DT managed to differentiate the various songs of the "mid-album sea" of 6-7 minute songs? It's quite thrilling actually, knowing that they had to face the issue of making each song even more recognizable than usual.
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I like it. I figure it keeps me from making redundant posts.
Hasn't stopped you yet! ;D
Sorry. Just kidding. Couldn't resist.
:'(
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first review might come from Rich Wilson?
Lifting Shadows @liftingshadows
"We're listening to the new Dream Theater album here. You won't be disappointed DT fans!!"
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Hey, bosk, have you received an advance copy of the album?
You probably wouldn't tell us...
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Hey, bosk, have you received an advance copy of the album?
You probably wouldn't tell us...
He posted something in this thread (or was it the other?) that he would probably receive an advance copy, along with other members whom I can't remember, IIRC
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first review might come from Rich Wilson?
Lifting Shadows @liftingshadows
"We're listening to the new Dream Theater album here. You won't be disappointed DT fans!!"
I think Classic Rock Presents Prog did a short one the other day. I think the main gist of it was it's heavier and more melodic than ADTOE, DT fans will love it, haters gonna hate.
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I think a big reason for some people being nervous about a shorter DT album is that since there is likely gonna be a song roughly around 20 minutes, if you don't think that long song is really great, there is only another 35-40 minutes of music. In other words, it is hard for many to call a 60-minute album great if it has a 20-minute song they don't think is great.
Good point. The title-track, while a top 10 song, can't save Octavarium as an album for me.
It doesn't have to, since the other songs are fantastic as well ;)
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Those aren't reviews. Those are quick "we got it. It's good!" comments.
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Guys, there's going to be dozens to hundreds of advance copies out a few months before the release of every album you're anticipating. So why bother asking people who have possibly gotten the album? They aren't allowed to tell you anything anyway. If you don't like that, work on your writing skills and general diligence, start writing for a mag and receive your own advanced copies next time around.
Ideally, you all should avoid reviews before listening to the album. The problem with reviews is that they shape the way you receive and process an album (a movie, a book, whatever). You can't help it. You start to listen with someonelse's ears. If someone wrote something bad about the drumming or the solos, your senses will be biased, a pre-conception will be there and subconsciously working. If you had not read anything in the first place, maybe you would have not cared at all. Music is a very personal experience. Reviews take it away from us!
As someone who reviews albums herself, I find problems in this line of thinking. For one, most reviewers I know are people who, in addition to reviewing what various labels/bands send to them (and it's not all good albums), trudge the seas of the underground to tell you which overlooked/underpromoted releases are definitely worth your time and money.
As for reading reviews of albums you're already anticipating, they satisfy my general curiosity of what the album sounds like and what's inside. And if you can't filter "I liked/disliked this album" from "the album contains this and that and the atmosphere is like this", maybe it's time to work on your reading comprehension. And if you can't help being influenced by some reviewer liking/disliking an album, maybe it's time to be a little less impressionable.
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Eh, it's enough of a review for me to be excited.
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If I never read reviews before buying music, my horizons would be expanding very slowly.
Or I'd end up buying crap because I never read anything contradictory beforehand.
Either way, I lose.
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If I never read reviews before buying music, my horizons would be expanding very slowly.
Or I'd end up buying crap because I never read anything contradictory beforehand.
Either way, I lose.
This, I discover so many new bands going through the review section in Decibel Magazine.
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Yup, reviews are important to me as well - they give me some kind of picture of what to expect from releases I'm anticipating (if I read multiple reviews of the same album) and may convince me to check out some album by a band I haven't heard of if the descriptions sound intriguing.
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If I never read reviews before buying music, my horizons would be expanding very slowly.
Or I'd end up buying crap because I never read anything contradictory beforehand.
Either way, I lose.
I feel that way about most reviews -- music, film, books, restaurants... I like to have an idea what I'm getting into, even though it probably won't change my initial opinion.
And like others, I have greatly expanded the things I like because I read of gems I'd never come across otherwise.
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I think Classic Rock Presents Prog did a short one the other day. I think the main gist of it was it's heavier and more melodic than ADTOE, DT fans will love it, haters gonna hate.
yep, but that's not a review, they're going to publish one in the next number of CRPP. I'm also expecting Rich to write something soon, as he did for the last two records
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Hey, bosk, have you received an advance copy of the album?
You probably wouldn't tell us...
He posted something in this thread (or was it the other?) that he would probably receive an advance copy, along with other members whom I can't remember, IIRC
No, I wouldn't have said that. Whether I receive an advance copy or not is not something I feel appropriate to share.
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Hey, bosk, have you received an advance copy of the album?
You probably wouldn't tell us...
He posted something in this thread (or was it the other?) that he would probably receive an advance copy, along with other members whom I can't remember, IIRC
No, I wouldn't have said that. Whether I receive an advance copy or not is not something I feel appropriate to share.
Ah, sorry then. Was sure I've read something of the kind, though.
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I don't really much care for reviews. For one, most critics are dopes (although I am sure most early DT reviews won't come from full time critics), and for two, DT albums have pretty much gotten good reviews across the board for the last 10+ years, and many of those albums are their least best ones, IMO, so a glowing review for the forthcoming album won't really mean a lot.
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Hey, bosk, have you received an advance copy of the album?
You probably wouldn't tell us...
He posted something in this thread (or was it the other?) that he would probably receive an advance copy, along with other members whom I can't remember, IIRC
No, I wouldn't have said that. Whether I receive an advance copy or not is not something I feel appropriate to share.
Ah, sorry then. Was sure I've read something of the kind, though.
No worries. You either confused me with someone else, or maybe just misunderstood something I said. But since you attributed it to me, I had to make the correction.
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Just to chime in about the review thing. I now write for Lady Obscure, and when I write a review, even if I looooove the album, I will still mention any possible flaws, even if they don't heavily detract from the overall song/album. Heck, even if I reviewed a DT album and thought it was their best ever, I would still point out any flaws with the mix, songwriting, lyrics, etc.
While there are many reviewers that might go, "Meh. Cool album, I guess. 3/5," or "Omg, best album ever, super heavy, melodic. 5/5," I believe there are many reviewers with integrity that understand how to view an album objectively and without an overwhelming amount of bias.
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So let me get this straight, to summarize the last 4-5 pages, there were some questions and complaints in regard to a review of the advance copy of the album and to its time of release. To encapsulate further the net conclusion of not only the last 4-5 pages, but perhaps the entirety of this thread thus far is...
...Soon.
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So let me get this straight, to summarize the last 4-5 pages, there were some questions and complaints in regard to a review of the advance copy of the album and to its time of release. To encapsulate further the net conclusion of not only the last 4-5 pages, but perhaps the entirety of this thread thus far is...
...Soon.
The problem is that this forum is so active, and we're so hungry for information, and there are so many of us, that we just keep speculating, arguing, and begging.
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So let me get this straight, to summarize the last 4-5 pages, there were some questions and complaints in regard to a review of the advance copy of the album and to its time of release. To encapsulate further the net conclusion of not only the last 4-5 pages, but perhaps the entirety of this thread thus far is...
...Soon.
The problem is that this forum is so active, and we're so hungry for information, and there are so many of us, that we just keep speculating, arguing, and begging.
The problem is that type of behavior can easily be toned down.
I'm not saying it's inherently wrong. Hell, I wasn't even on here for the last album cycle so I dunno how it's like. But I know I'm also super psyched and trying not to overload the thread with unnecessary stuff. It's cool when you can hang out here every day, but every time someone goes away and tries to just skim the thread with new info I imagine they'd get pretty pissed when there's five pages of essentially nothing.
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So let me get this straight, to summarize the last 4-5 pages, there were some questions and complaints in regard to a review of the advance copy of the album and to its time of release. To encapsulate further the net conclusion of not only the last 4-5 pages, but perhaps the entirety of this thread thus far is...
...Soon.
The problem is that this forum is so active, and we're so hungry for information, and there are so many of us, that we just keep speculating, arguing, and begging.
The problem is that type of behavior can easily be toned down.
I'm not saying it's inherently wrong. Hell, I wasn't even on here for the last album cycle so I dunno how it's like. But I know I'm also super psyched and trying not to overload the thread with unnecessary stuff. It's cool when you can hang out here every day, but every time someone goes away and tries to just skim the thread with new info I imagine they'd get pretty pissed when there's five pages of essentially nothing.
Damn straight
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i should go back and screenshot the whole 'centerpiece' tangent that happened a couple days ago. gold
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first review might come from Rich Wilson?
Lifting Shadows @liftingshadows
"We're listening to the new Dream Theater album here. You won't be disappointed DT fans!!"
Not this time guys. I'm keeping my powder dry on this one for a few weeks. They don't want online reviews just yet. Sorry. BUT, I am so relieved that they haven't stood still with this record. I was dreading a "formula" DT record, which this isn't. That's all folks!
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Oh, you warm our hearts, Mr. Wilson :metal
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When I say that, obviously it still sounds like DT and nothing else, but it certainly ain't ADToE part 2
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Thanks Rich Sept 24th cant come soon enough.
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Oh, you warm our hearts, Mr. Wilson :metal
Replace "warm" with "tease" and "hearts" with "naughty parts".
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Yes, thanks for that update! :tup
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Mr. Wilson my girlheart is properly warm and fuzzy right now.
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When I say that, obviously it still sounds like DT and nothing else, but it certainly ain't ADToE part 2
Thanks for posting. Coming from a true DT fan, this means more to me than any regular music journalist's opinion.
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Oh, you warm our hearts, Mr. Wilson :metal
Replace "warm" with "tease" and "hearts" with "naughty parts".
Oh u
are so damn right :metal
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I was dreading a "formula" DT record, which this isn't. That's all folks!
That's all I needed to hear to get me even more pumped. Thanks a ton, Rich :metal
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When I say that, obviously it still sounds like DT and nothing else, but it certainly ain't ADToE part 2
That's the kind of post that calms me down. haha Thanks for posting it!
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first review might come from Rich Wilson?
Lifting Shadows @liftingshadows
"We're listening to the new Dream Theater album here. You won't be disappointed DT fans!!"
Not this time guys. I'm keeping my powder dry on this one for a few weeks. They don't want online reviews just yet. Sorry. BUT, I am so relieved that they haven't stood still with this record. I was dreading a "formula" DT record, which this isn't. That's all folks!
Excellent! Only thing I was scared of, too, and I trust your take far more than I trust the bad translation of some fella on a message board.
My one fear has been vanquished. Pow!
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It's indeed very very excellent! Mr. Wilson's dread was most likely everybody's dread, and it's so good to see it dispelled, at least according to a trusted source. :)
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Now, if only we can confirm or deny those song lengths. I really don't want people to keep on theorizing how that suite could actually be 2 minutes.
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Now, if only we can confirm or deny those song lengths. I really don't want people to keep on theorizing how that suite could actually be 2 minutes.
Didn't Noxon say that they looked very correct according to his memory?
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Now, if only we can confirm or deny those song lengths. I really don't want people to keep on theorizing how that suite could actually be 2 minutes.
Didn't Noxon say that they looked very correct according to his memory?
He did confirm it on the other forum.
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from the 5/8 forum:
"Dear Noxon I kindly asking you if you can, to confirm the following song lengths...
1. False Awakening Suite – 2:42
2. The Enemy Inside – 6:17
ecc."
noxon: "Without looking at my copy, it looks very correct."
Also he said the review will be ready within 2-3 days. can't wait to read it.
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If they're true, FAS will be the shortest multi-part composition the band's done, eh? I don't think they've split a song into parts unless it was over 8 minutes.
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from the 5/8 forum:
"Dear Noxon I kindly asking you if you can, to confirm the following song lengths...
1. False Awakening Suite – 2:42
2. The Enemy Inside – 6:17
ecc."
noxon: "Without looking at my copy, it looks very correct."
Also he said the review will be ready within 2-3 days. can't wait to read it.
That's a little disappointing, I have to say. I was looking forward to an actual suite, A Mind Beside Itself style, even if not as long. And since they're going to be using it as an intro to their concerts, I think it's safe to assume that it's not going to be 2 and a half minutes of ultra fast, crazy playing.
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It's cool when you can hang out here every day, but every time someone goes away and tries to just skim the thread with new info I imagine they'd get pretty pissed when there's five pages of essentially nothing.
Yeah - every time I've seen there are multiple pages with new replies I've expected to read something interesting, but instead of that I've gotten... well, nothing. I know people are excited, but when there are pages of pointless concept album speculation, debates over the meaning of "centerpiece", complaints about 70-minute albums being too short, etc., I just... :dunno:
Anyway, thanks for sharing what you can, Rich! :tup I was hoping DT wouldn't play it too safe despite making this album self-titled.
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The song lengths aren't so bad. If they all flow into each other well then it doesn't matter.
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I actually *prefer* more shorter songs and just the one epic.
Black Clouds had only two short songs and four massive songs.
A nightmare to remember just goes on and on and on.
You can't really just *throw a song on* from that album because you've only got two to choose from if you don't want an epic.
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Glad DT12 is not a formulaic record, I kinda felt ADTOE was.
Maybe with having more shorter songs, we could get 3 singles??? :o Depends on how popular it is commercially I guess.
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It's cool when you can hang out here every day, but every time someone goes away and tries to just skim the thread with new info I imagine they'd get pretty pissed when there's five pages of essentially nothing.
Yeah - every time I've seen there are multiple pages with new replies I've expected to read something interesting, but instead of that I've gotten... well, nothing. I know people are excited, but when there are pages of pointless concept album speculation, debates over the meaning of "centerpiece", complaints about 70-minute albums being too short, etc., I just... :dunno:
For what it's worth, I think a lot of that is a natural hazard of putting all discussions of the new album into a centralised thread. Focused threads basically tend to stay on topic, general threads don't have one.
But frankly, I have way more fun reading (and occasionally participating in!) the discussions about the existence or not of a semantic difference between "progressive" and "prog," the speculations about concepts based on almost no evidence at all, and the slow revolution of the rumour mill than I ever have when someone's prompted another page of tedious complaints that this thread isn't substantial enough for them, so I'm going to stop contributing to that particular boring meta-narrative!
Incidentally, I'm complaining about the complaints, which I think basically crowns me the King of Tedium.
I'll make a flag.
ETA: Fucking hell, I have just noticed how confrontational this post looks. It's not meant to be!! Er, sprinkle some emoticons on it, stat!
In my defence, I was talking about the Conservative party in another window, so I think some of that bile might have spilled across the page. Sorry! To clarify beyond doubt, I think you're all basically ace!
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The problem is that type of behavior can easily be toned down.
I'm not saying it's inherently wrong. Hell, I wasn't even on here for the last album cycle so I dunno how it's like. But I know I'm also super psyched and trying not to overload the thread with unnecessary stuff. It's cool when you can hang out here every day, but every time someone goes away and tries to just skim the thread with new info I imagine they'd get pretty pissed when there's five pages of essentially nothing.
Cue the 5 pages of debate over THIS now ;D
Us dogs need some MEAT!
Thanx Rich for the nibble, though :tup
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Ok so... from all the speculation regarding the reviews that have yet to be officially posted by anyone, we can assume that the album is going to be good, perhaps great. From what we've heard from people who've gotten advanced copies, we can gather that the album is different from ADTOE, and we--the fans--won't be disappointed. Fair enough, in my book.
Do we really need more?
The album is out in just under 9 weeks. That's really not that long.
:metal :yarr :corn
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So let me get this straight, to summarize the last 4-5 pages, there were some questions and complaints in regard to a review of the advance copy of the album and to its time of release. To encapsulate further the net conclusion of not only the last 4-5 pages, but perhaps the entirety of this thread thus far is...
...Soon.
The problem is that this forum is so active, and we're so hungry for information, and there are so many of us, that we just keep speculating, arguing, and begging.
The problem is that type of behavior can easily be toned down.
I'm not saying it's inherently wrong. Hell, I wasn't even on here for the last album cycle so I dunno how it's like. But I know I'm also super psyched and trying not to overload the thread with unnecessary stuff. It's cool when you can hang out here every day, but every time someone goes away and tries to just skim the thread with new info I imagine they'd get pretty pissed when there's five pages of essentially nothing.
I hear you, Milena.
Don't take this as a criticism or as me calling you out. I'm not. In fact, I largely agree with you. But just to share a bit of insight into my mindset on this issue: I could very well ask the mods to be super-strict about keeping things on topic. No joking. No speculating without basis. Just keep it strictly on topic, or have your posts deleted and get yelled at. And to a degree, if something is just outright getting off topic or getting into areas they shouldn't, we eventually reign it in. But by the same token, I want to allow enough freedom for people to post here in a loose, fun way because that's the general tone of this forum. That means that, yes, everytime someone speculates about something without basis, there are going to be follow up posts that can drag it out a bit. If someone just cracks a quick joke, and others pile on, that's another few posts. And those kinds of things add up quickly when a thread is so large. But as long as the thread doesn't get too out of control, I'm okay with that because here's the thing: If people want the latest up to date information on what we officially know about the album, we have the tracker thread, which we update as information is officially released. People can go there for the latest on what we actually know if they want to avoid all the other commentary. And as far as when these little tangential things go "too far," there isn't a precise answer. It's a judgment call. I let people know when I feel it has gone too far off the rails, and I expect people to listen to and respect that. And people usually do. So while I agree with your point, it's also not realistic, and that's okay because there is a separate place on the forum to get the quick update without having to wade through all the discussion in here.
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Are you referring to the Fact Finder sticky, Bosk?
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I, for one, want to jump in with a quick commendation on the moderation of this forum in general.
I've been a member of several forums (and moderated one) and I know how challenging it can be -- as well as knowing that DTF is at the top of my list for the balance of fun and respect for others that I've seen in my short tenure here.
Other forums can expand into virtual bloody messes that are distracting and depressing. But this place is terrific. Well done to you all! :tup :hefdaddy
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It's indeed very very excellent! Mr. Wilson's dread was most likely everybody's dread, and it's so good to see it dispelled, at least according to a trusted source. :)
I hardly think it is everyone's "dread". ADTOE was very well-received, I would be quite happy with ADTOE Pt2 provided the production and mix (especially the drums) was better. ADTOE is solidly in place at #2 for me behind I&W.
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On the other hand, nobody likes to see stagnation. It's a difficult balance to strike between progression and breaking new ground, and maintaining a high quality.
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Are you referring to the Fact Finder sticky, Bosk?
Yes.
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It's indeed very very excellent! Mr. Wilson's dread was most likely everybody's dread, and it's so good to see it dispelled, at least according to a trusted source. :)
I hardly think it is everyone's "dread". ADTOE was very well-received, I would be quite happy with ADTOE Pt2 provided the production and mix (especially the drums) was better. ADTOE is solidly in place at #2 for me behind I&W.
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I think he's actually in the majority. The drums were mixed way too low on ADTOE.
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It's indeed very very excellent! Mr. Wilson's dread was most likely everybody's dread, and it's so good to see it dispelled, at least according to a trusted source. :)
I hardly think it is everyone's "dread". ADTOE was very well-received, I would be quite happy with ADTOE Pt2 provided the production and mix (especially the drums) was better. ADTOE is solidly in place at #2 for me behind I&W.
As much as I like ADTOE (probably at 4 or 5 in my ranking), I would be very unhappy if the band churned out another album that sounded just like it. (Though I guess the angry posts about how DT12 copied ADTOE's song structures would be pretty funny.)
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Bosk, this thread is fine the way it is. If I want to conserve my brain cells, I'll read the sticky thread. If I decide I have too many brain cells and feel the need to kill a few off, I'll jump into this thread.
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It's indeed very very excellent! Mr. Wilson's dread was most likely everybody's dread, and it's so good to see it dispelled, at least according to a trusted source. :)
I hardly think it is everyone's "dread". ADTOE was very well-received, I would be quite happy with ADTOE Pt2 provided the production and mix (especially the drums) was better. ADTOE is solidly in place at #2 for me behind I&W.
As much as I like ADTOE (probably at 4 or 5 in my ranking), I would be very unhappy if the band churned out another album that sounded just like it. (Though I guess the angry posts about how DT12 copied ADTOE's song structures would be pretty funny.)
I'm going to state this with very little basis whatsoever...
From the tiny little snippet we heard in the "sound effects" portion of the In Studio pt 3, I think I can say that the drums are much farther forward in the mix this time. I think ADTOE could be seen as a test for MM. Perhaps he wasn't as comfortable in the band, not familiar with the bands methods, so he just did as told. This time, I would say he's more comfortable with asserting where he thinks he needs to be in the mix. :dunno:
just a guess.
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Yeah, the more developed part of my post should have been about challenging the notion that simply because we are hungry for info we HAVE to go into endless speculation and tangents of tangents. For one, the only info that's left to be given to us is the single and track lengths. We're in the last stretch, we basically know everything. And the other thing is that I totally trust yours and other mods' judgment, and I definitely like the leniency of DTF and our cheerful spirit that results from not being heavily policed for going off topic sometimes, but I was just trying to put my finger on why I've been enjoying this thread way less lately. Could be that I'm a bit of a grumpy bastard :mora:
Anyway, since rob properly said complaints about complaints are THE WORST, let's bury this too.
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I think he's actually in the majority. The drums were mixed way too low on ADTOE.
Indeed. A better drum sound would have improved that album greatly, in my opinion.
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Yeah, the more developed part of my post should have been about challenging the notion that simply because we are hungry for info we HAVE to go into endless speculation and tangents of tangents. For one, the only info that's left to be given to us is the single and track lengths. We're in the last stretch, we basically know everything. And the other thing is that I totally trust yours and other mods' judgment, and I definitely like the leniency of DTF and our cheerful spirit that results from not being heavily policed for going off topic sometimes, but I was just trying to put my finger on why I've been enjoying this thread way less lately. Could be that I'm a bit of a grumpy bastard :mora:
That reminds me of this phenomenon that I have have yet to hear anyone properly explaint, and which has mystified me for ages. If an American girl said the words "grumpy bastard," or whatever, my reaction would be, "oh, well that's offputting. She really needs to clear up her mouth." Yet when an English girl says it, my reaction is, "that is SO hot! :heybaby:" Why is that? /offtopic
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Yeah, the more developed part of my post should have been about challenging the notion that simply because we are hungry for info we HAVE to go into endless speculation and tangents of tangents. For one, the only info that's left to be given to us is the single and track lengths. We're in the last stretch, we basically know everything. And the other thing is that I totally trust yours and other mods' judgment, and I definitely like the leniency of DTF and our cheerful spirit that results from not being heavily policed for going off topic sometimes, but I was just trying to put my finger on why I've been enjoying this thread way less lately. Could be that I'm a bit of a grumpy bastard :mora:
That reminds me of this phenomenon that I have have yet to hear anyone properly explaint, and which has mystified me for ages. If an American girl said the words "grumpy bastard," or whatever, my reaction would be, "oh, well that's offputting. She really needs to clear up her mouth." Yet when an English girl says it, my reaction is, "that is SO hot! :heybaby:" Why is that? /offtopic
You're the second person here that mistook me for an English girl! Really dudes it's not even my first language let alone my place of birth. I'm blushing like mad here.
Unless you meant "any European girl".
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Because unlike some girls, Milena can speak with cool European accent!
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:lolpalm: That's right, I forgot.
But my general point still stands.
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Yeah, the more developed part of my post should have been about challenging the notion that simply because we are hungry for info we HAVE to go into endless speculation and tangents of tangents. For one, the only info that's left to be given to us is the single and track lengths. We're in the last stretch, we basically know everything. And the other thing is that I totally trust yours and other mods' judgment, and I definitely like the leniency of DTF and our cheerful spirit that results from not being heavily policed for going off topic sometimes, but I was just trying to put my finger on why I've been enjoying this thread way less lately. Could be that I'm a bit of a grumpy bastard :mora:
That reminds me of this phenomenon that I have have yet to hear anyone properly explaint, and which has mystified me for ages. If an American girl said the words "grumpy bastard," or whatever, my reaction would be, "oh, well that's offputting. She really needs to clear up her mouth." Yet when an English girl says it, my reaction is, "that is SO hot! :heybaby:" Why is that? /offtopic
You're the second person here that mistook me for an English girl! Really dudes it's not even my first language let alone my place of birth. I'm blushing like mad here.
Unless you meant "any European girl".
Seriously - your English is indistinguishable from native English! It is both terrifying and marvellous.
My Serbian, on the other hand, is strasnim.
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Yep, you're one of the most articulate and coherent posters on the forum.
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That's what I told her just 10 minutes ago! She's stunning, really :eek
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I'm going to die here :heart :mora:
HEY HOW ABOUT THAT NEW DT ALBUM I HEARD THERE'S GONNA BE AN ORCHESTRA
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Mora sure had me fooled.
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I'm happy to make you an honorary Briton. There aren't enough of us here!
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*click profile*
*check location*
:biggrin:
YES AN ORCHESTRA. I LOVE ME SOME ORCHESTRAS.
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I'm going to die here :heart :mora:
*IRRELEVANT TEXT*
Don't try to shift the attention! Hell, you're getting a mass accolade Mili! :lol
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My mate Phil from Fireworks magazine has a review copy of DT DT. The lucky, lucky bastard.
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My mate Phil from Fireworks magazine has a review copy of DT DT. The lucky, lucky bastard.
Where does he live?
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My mate Phil from Fireworks magazine has a review copy of DT DT. The lucky, lucky bastard.
Where does he live?
He's off to Scotland for a week, taking the album with him. Feel free to track him down and share the spoils!
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It should be interesting to know what's the usual number of advanced copy that a fairly big band like DT hands to the press. Just to know another fact about the industry. Is it dozens? Or hundreds?
And I'm told that special care has been taken by the label/band to make sure that any leaked material would allow immediate identification of the original source :police:
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I'm going to die here :heart :mora:
*IRRELEVANT TEXT*
Don't try to shift the attention! Hell, you're getting a mass accolade Mili! :lol
You're a great poster, Mora. I appreciate the concise and informative posts. You're opinions are rarely, if ever, without basis. Thank you for that.
JP said it was a string section
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I was dreading a "formula" DT record, which this isn't. That's all folks!
this is the best thing i can hear leading up to the release
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I actually *prefer* more shorter songs and just the one epic.
Black Clouds had only two short songs and four massive songs.
A nightmare to remember just goes on and on and on.
You can't really just *throw a song on* from that album because you've only got two to choose from if you don't want an epic.
Same here. I prefer that a DT albums has more songs (like Awake, Scenes, and Falling)
An album like Black Clouds was disappointing to me personally because it had so few songs and some of them felt stretched to for the sake of filling the disc. Does a song like "The Best of Times" have to be 13 minutes? An epic like Change of Seasons made sense being long but something like "The Best of Times" didn't have to be.
I like all DT albums (even Black Clouds and SC) but they seemed to start going down a path in which they may have felt that they had to make almost every song 10 plus minutes. Sometimes less is more. Look at Misunderstood. It had that long scratchy section that added nothing to the song IMO when I wish they would have ended it minutes earlier.
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But that part in Misunderstood is really good.
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But that part in Misunderstood is really good.
I usually skip it once it gets to that point. I love the song but the ending bothers me because it feels like stretching the song for the sake of stretching it and the scratching annoys me.
Maybe I am in the minority here. If so....good call on Dream Theaters part to include it......but that section is not for me.
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I think one of the main reasons Mangini's drums didn't stand out is because he did so much unison work off of other members' parts. He seems to really enjoy this on his own initiative, so I'm tempering my expectations of how much we'll hear on the new album as well. It might also explain a previous comment about the drums sounding triggered. He may be matching up with Jordan a lot.
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I think the main reason Mangini's drums were mixed so low is because it was the first DT record in a very long time not co-produced by a drummer
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Bosk, I always enjoy reading your posts. It probably has something to do with the fact that I actually read what you post in Darth Vaders voice. For some strange reason, due to this fact, I can never bring myself to argue anything you say.
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:lolpalm: That's right, I forgot.
But my general point still stands.
:lol Fail bosky.
But in fairness, there are a few people without English as their native language whose use of it is really great, like Milena, Marco and the other Rich.
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...I'm not in your list?
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...I'm not in your list?
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Your impression of the INDONESIAn fans brings the time-averaged level of your English down, I reckon. :biggrin:
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:lol :lol
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...I'm not in your list?
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Your impression of the INDONESIAn fans brings the time-averaged level of your English down, I reckon. :biggrin:
You think you're smart, huh?
...Alright, it's ok just because you're a drum god.
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Bosk, I always enjoy reading your posts. It probably has something to do with the fact that I actually read what you post in Darth Vaders voice.
:rollin
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:lolpalm: That's right, I forgot.
But my general point still stands.
:lol Fail bosky.
But in fairness, there are a few people without English as their native language whose use of it is really great, like Milena, Marco and the other Rich.
Something makes me thing I'm the Marco you mentioned. I feel flattered by that (another Brit praising my English skill? It must mean something!), but I think the other Marco deserves the praise more than I do. His posts, though at times overlooked by many, are always poignant and spotlessy phrased :tup
/oppositekanyewest
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:omg: Marco...not English?
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I'm usually regarded as a South American with a decent level of English xD At least, I speak it fluently and write it decently. I may have an accent on the heavy side of mild though, hehe.
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hey yo I'm a native English speaker whats wrong with me haha lol. Love DT peace out!
I believe the reasoning behind many foreign speakers eventually becoming more fluent in English than a good majority of native ones is due to the fact that they take great care with their grammar and such while learning the language. Most native English speakers eventually have a tendency to simply take the language and its rules for granted, hence the simplistic structure and frequent misspellings found in such a casual environment as a message board. I find myself slacking off as well on here, even though I take great care when writing and editing my album reviews.
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:omg: Marco...not English?
You gotta be kidding me, bosk, there is no way in hell you didn't know :lol
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hey yo I'm a native English speaker whats wrong with me haha lol. Love DT peace out!
I believe the reasoning behind many foreign speakers eventually becoming more fluent in English than a good majority of native ones is due to the fact that they take great care with their grammar and such while learning the language. Most native English speakers eventually have a tendency to simply take the language and its rules for granted, hence the simplistic structure and frequent misspellings found in such a casual environment as a message board. I find myself slacking off as well on here, even though I take great care when writing and editing my album reviews.
I don't be knowin' wat u tryin' to say.
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While I'm Canadian with Irish and French heritage, all of my posts actually have a South African accent.
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I agree with the previous post about the multilinguists here, they are very fluent! :heart
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The Heavy Side of Mild.
, a new novel by bestselling author Stephenie Meyer, chronicles the story of a young South American man navigating the North American progressive metal scene with the aid of a crazy pirate, a wise wizard, a guitar playing bear and a mysterious silent man from the orient.
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You gonna love this album.
I`m not gonna say anything else.
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Based on the variety of tastes here, that's a pretty bold statement.
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You gonna love this album.
I`m not gonna say anything else.
Do you have it...?
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You gonna love this album.
I`m not gonna say anything else.
Do you have it...?
Doubt it. I've noticed that LBC. has a bad habit of stating things as though they're fact, when in reality he doesn't necessarily know what he's talking about.
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You gonna love this album.
I`m not gonna say anything else.
Do you have it...?
No.
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You gonna love this album.
I`m not gonna say anything else.
Do you have it...?
All the hype is justified, it deserves the wait, and you got to hear it with an open mind.
It`s simple.
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I`m not gonna say anything else.
^This. Please. No tease-ation without verification.
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I don`t want to disturb anybody. I`m gonna be out of here until 9/24.
There will be official reviews, a single, and maybe snippets. I respect that.
Bye.
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Alright later dude
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I don`t want to disturb anybody. I`m gonna be out of here until 9/24.
There will be official reviews, a single, and maybe snippets. I respect that.
Bye.
Well, I wasn't referring to entirety of your dog-self, just the vague fortune cookie hints.
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And so he was gone as quickly as he had appeared. A shadow into the night. A memory of a snapshot in time.
But yeah, we'll see you on 9/24 then.
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I was just thinking... What if I don't like this album at all? What if I hate it? Oh god....
I don`t want to disturb anybody. I`m gonna be out of here until 9/24.
There will be official reviews, a single, and maybe snippets. I respect that.
Bye.
See Ya.
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I don`t want to disturb anybody. I`m gonna be out of here until 9/24.
There will be official reviews, a single, and maybe snippets. I respect that.
Bye.
Dude, you don't have to leave. Just be a bit more discriminating with your posts.
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I don`t want to disturb anybody. I`m gonna be out of here until 9/24.
There will be official reviews, a single, and maybe snippets. I respect that.
Bye.
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The Heavy Side of Mild.
, a new novel by bestselling author Stephenie Meyer, chronicles the story of a young South American man navigating the North American progressive metal scene with the aid of a crazy pirate, a wise wizard, a guitar playing bear and a mysterious silent man from the orient.
Oh please, not her... =( Compare me to someone actually good! Or someone... with an accent xD
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:lolpalm: That's right, I forgot.
But my general point still stands.
:lol Fail bosky.
But in fairness, there are a few people without English as their native language whose use of it is really great, like Milena, Marco and the other Rich.
Why thank you! Though I must add that although Dutch is my first language, my mother is English (so I'm half-English if you will) and my stepdad was too, so I basically spoke English at home for some part of my life as well. I was raised in Dutch though, the English part came later in my life, but having the family abroad probably helped.
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I`m gonna be out of here until 9/24.
Why yes. Yes, you are. Since I have already posted about people who are not insiders posting as if they are, and you insist in pushing the issue and ignoring other warnings, I'll make sure you don't come back until at least 9/24. Bye.
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oooorrrr... the album is going to come out and I am going to LOOOOOVE it. It's going to be either black or white. Love or Hate. I can feel it
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The thing is I feel about the new album we hear different James LaBrie, pushing his limits, kind of using the style of both I&W and Awake. I think he was in the safe zone on ADOTE.
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I would like James to be using his past singing style on the new record. His high-pitched and raspy voice is unique, combined with his vibrato. Nevertheless, he must think about the live setting before. He should reach the high notes each and every night.
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I would like James to be using his past singing style on the new record. His high-pitched and raspy voice is unique, combined with his vibrato. Nevertheless, he must think about the live setting before. He should reach the high notes each and every night.
Well, he doesn't have to go to the very top of his range necessarily. I mean, if he even went as high as he did on SC, songs like ITPOE and Forsaken, I'd be satisfied.
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Maybe some people aren't aware of the fact that he recorded Awake nearly 20 years ago, his voice has gone through some drastic changes since then :lol
Although his voice is at a stable point nowadays, he can't sing anymore like he did on the Awake/I&W days. The heaviest his voice can get right now is probably something Train of Thought/Systematic Chaos/Static Impulse-ish. Doesn't mean it's bad, though. I have no problems with his voice, and I rather have him sing comfortable vocal melodies and have him perform them nicely live instead of soaring his lungs out in the studio and not be able to recreate that in concerts.
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Man this thread is ridiculous. This is my response:
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What? There's a real discussion going on now, why try to derail it?
I hope James stays away from the raspy sound. I love it on Awake, but he's just now starting to really sound great again, I'd hate for him to wreck his voice by singing like that.
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Man this thread is ridiculous. This is my response:
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What? There's a real discussion going on now, why try to derail it?
I hope James stays away from the raspy sound. I love it on Awake, but he's just now starting to really sound great again, I'd hate for him to wreck his voice by singing like that.
He won't wreck his voice if he's doing it properly, and it's always sounded to me like he's doing it properly.
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Just for the record, and this can be reassured by any singing experts we got in this forum, there's no way to rasp your voice without damaging your vocal chords. Sure, you can minimize the damage, but you can't growl or rasp your voice to your heart's content without expecting any backlash at all.
Well, "damage" is a strong word... maybe "repercussion" fits better.
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Ideally, you all should avoid reviews before listening to the album. The problem with reviews is that they shape the way you receive and process an album (a movie, a book, whatever). You can't help it. You start to listen with someonelse's ears. If someone wrote something bad about the drumming or the solos, your senses will be biased, a pre-conception will be there and subconsciously working. If you had not read anything in the first place, maybe you would have not cared at all. Music is a very personal experience. Reviews take it away from us!
I agree with this to the extent it applies to music that I am psyched about and will absolutely buy no matter what. I want my listening experience to be mine and mine alone. however, if I'm not a fanboy of a particular artist, and I'm on the fringe of deciding to purchase, or not to purchase, then a review can assist me make an informed decision.
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I'd like to see something more like IR. As I said on another thread, he was safe in ADTOE (and great, by the way)...now it is time for him to pull out something like he did back in SC, SI and recently in IR.
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Just for the record, and this can be reassured by any singing experts we got in this forum, there's no way to rasp your voice without damaging your vocal chords. Sure, you can minimize the damage, but you can't growl or rasp your voice to your heart's content without expecting any backlash at all.
Well, "damage" is a strong word... maybe "repercussion" fits better.
Yeah, but that's like saying, there's no way to do a whole lot of clean singing without damaging your vocal cords. My friend overdid it a couple months ago to the point where his vocal cords were bleeding. Overdoing anything with your voice is never a good thing, but if a singer takes good care of his voice (as I'm sure James does), and uses the proper technique, and not use that grit on every single song like he did back in the I&W touring days (great as it sounded), there shouldn't be any long term reprecussions. Heck, he's had his share of gritty vocals on pretty much every DT album in the past 10+ years, and lately he's been saying how his range and voice is better than it's ever been, since the good poisoning accident.
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You're right about that. Being a professional singer is incredibly difficult, and for that I tip my hat for James because he's gone through some hard shit and he's still here, singing his ass off. I think that the most important thing for him now, is that he's stable as I said earlier. Since the Octavarium tour, he's been incredibly consistent with his live performances (excluding the horrible MP-picked recordings from Chaos in Motion and some bad nights, of course) and he's been able to handle his voice to a point that he knows its limits and how will it react on stage. Although his voice still maintained that "color" and "tone" from the early days, his Awake - TOT touring period was super shaky and consisted basically of on and off nights. Nowadays, he's making some impessive feats live and that's why I'm expecting Luna Park so much.
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Either way, as much as I like James' gritty tone, I was always more of a fan of his high, clean vocals, and that's what I thought was missing from ADTOE, so hopefully, he's played around with his range a bit more on the new album, like I said, at least to the extent that he did on Systematic Chaos. I don't think it's that difficult for him to sing songs like Forsaken.
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You're right about that. Being a professional singer is incredibly difficult, and for that I tip my hat for James because he's gone through some hard shit and he's still here, singing his ass off. I think that the most important thing for him now, is that he's stable as I said earlier. Since the Octavarium tour, he's been incredibly consistent with his live performances (excluding the horrible MP-picked recordings from Chaos in Motion and some bad nights, of course) and he's been able to handle his voice to a point that he knows its limits and how will it react on stage. Although his voice still maintained that "color" and "tone" from the early days, his Awake - TOT touring period was super shaky and consisted basically of on and off nights. Nowadays, he's making some impessive feats live and that's why I'm expecting Luna Park so much.
Even after all the hardships James has been through, he has managed to get back on route to a great point. I actually saw Dream Theater live in Costa Rica (one week before the Luna Park concerts) and boy I was blown away, a great share of it because of James. I was with my brother, who is also a big fan but they're not his favorite band (so he doesn't listen to bootlegs or relatively minor releases), and he called James sounding "as good as in the 90s". I don't think he sounded like in the 90s, he sounded like he sounds right now. He's in a great moment. His voice is much more clean, the gritty tone from the 90s is not there, but he can hit the notes, sing his amazing vibratto, hold notes properly and so on.
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The first time I saw DT live was only 2 years ago, an I have to admit I was stunned by how good James sounded. He sounded much better than what I heard in Once in a Livetime and Live Scenes. I definitely think he's taken a better approach to his life performances because recently he's been fantastic
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Just for the record, and this can be reassured by any singing experts we got in this forum, there's no way to rasp your voice without damaging your vocal chords. Sure, you can minimize the damage, but you can't growl or rasp your voice to your heart's content without expecting any backlash at all.
Well, "damage" is a strong word... maybe "repercussion" fits better.
This. When you do that to your voice you cause your vocal chords to hit against each other rupturing them. Yes, it works if you use proper care, but the damage doesn't stop completely, and it happens faster than someone singing with a clean voice. I imagine James has a fragile voice since the Awake days and his food poisoning, it'd be best to avoid the raspiness altogether. Also, he didn't get vocal training until 2002ish right? I imagine had he not done all the vomiting, he would've wrecked his voice by then anyway. You can only sing like that without proper care for so long.
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Just for the record, as long as you do it properly, growling actually stresses your vocal chords less than singing.
Either way, I wanna hear James do what James wants, aside from ToT, I've always thought he sounds wonderful, so I'm not too worried :)
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James sounds dynamic and diverse in Impermanent Resonance. His voice is strong and mature now. I prefer his voice in DT though. I don't know why.
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Just for the record, as long as you do it properly, growling actually stresses your vocal chords less than singing.
Either way, I wanna hear James do what James wants, aside from ToT, I've always thought he sounds wonderful, so I'm not too worried :)
I think you're talking about actual growling, though, not just singing with a bit of rasp.
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Just for the record, as long as you do it properly, growling actually stresses your vocal chords less than singing.
Either way, I wanna hear James do what James wants, aside from ToT, I've always thought he sounds wonderful, so I'm not too worried :)
Really? I'd like to learn more about that. You got any references? :D
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IMO, in the album studios James sounds amazing in all of them.
But live? I really think he'd lost something since Score era.
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IMO, in the album studios James sounds amazing in all of them.
But live? I really think he'd lost something since Score era.
God knows how much I disagree with you!
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IMO, in the album studios James sounds amazing in all of them.
But live? I really think he'd lost something since Score era.
agreed! :3
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IMO, in the album studios James sounds amazing in all of them.
But live? I really think he'd lost something since Score era.
God knows how much I disagree with you!
Don't worry, he'll probably change his mind when LALP comes out :)
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This. When you do that to your voice you cause your vocal chords to hit against each other rupturing them.
Some people are able to accomplish that using their false folds though, so their vocal cords aren't hitting against one another at all. Not everyone, it's a pretty tricky technique, but it is possible, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what James is doing.
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IMO, in the album studios James sounds amazing in all of them.
But live? I really think he'd lost something since Score era.
I would agree with you on one hand. While stating that he's gained a lot of what he lost back since then on the other.
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Almost 100 pages?! :metal
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...I'm not in your list?
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Of course dude, I was just giving a few examples!
On the subject of James' singing, I like it when he tries different things with his voice, and includes bits of heavier singing styles. He pulls them off well and it makes the music sound more varied.
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...I'm not in your list?
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Don't worry, I've always thought you're a native speaker!
I hope I'm in Rich's list as well :biggrin:
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I love LaBrie's rasp, hopefully there's quite a bit of it on DT12. :metal
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oooorrrr... the album is going to come out and I am going to LOOOOOVE it. It's going to be either black or white. Love or Hate. I can feel it
I feel the opposite. I feel like I'm going to like it, but it won't be one of my favorites. It feels like this is going to be an okay DT album.
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Well, it is very unlikely to become my #1 album, but never say never. I am pretty sure it won't be my least favourite either. I'll be extremely satisfied it if enters the top 4-5 albums, which I expect to happen :angel:
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I feel the opposite. I feel like I'm going to like it, but it won't be one of my favorites. It feels like this is going to be an okay DT album.
Pretty much what I am expecting, too. Seems realistic aswell.
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I'm expecting it to be a step up from the last album. Closer to the Scenes - Octavarium run than Systematic Chaos & Black Clouds.
I get the feeling they deliberately played it safe last time around and this one they've puled out all the stops.
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Putting expectations on music, movies ruin the outcome of listening and watching. I'd rather go into it with no expectation.
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...I'm not in your list?
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Don't worry, I've always thought you're a native speaker!
I hope I'm in Rich's list as well :biggrin:
I don't have an actual list. :lol But yes you would be in it if I made one.
Maybe I should make one and add it to my sig.
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Putting expectations on music, movies ruin the outcome of listening and watching. I'd rather go into it with no expectation.
Having an expectation of some sort is a default position for me, I can't not have an expectation. Luckily this time it's a positive one so I'm not worrying about the album being horrid. :lol
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:lol
I think we all do that but have you ever gone to a movie so psyched that the movie was a letdown then years later you find that it's real good? I've done that!!
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For me, the only relevant comparison is with ADTOE. It's one of my favorite albums and I'll be thrilled out of my mind if the new album manages to surpass it. At the same time, if it doesn't surpass it, I'll be pretty disappointed.
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I never EXPECT any new record, film, book, TV show, or item of food to be THE BEST OF ALL TIME. That's just unrealistic.
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I never EXPECT any new record, film, book, TV show, or item of food to be THE BEST OF ALL TIME. That's just unrealistic.
I read that so wrong.. I read "I never expect to record a bosk TV show" :sadpanda:
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...I'm not in your list?
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Don't worry, I've always thought you're a native speaker!
I hope I'm in Rich's list as well :biggrin:
I don't have an actual list. :lol But yes you would be in it if I made one.
Maybe I should make one and add it to my sig.
Cool, thanks! :D
There's no way the new album could be in my top 2, but I'm expecting it to be better than my bottom 4 albums. I'll just have to listen carefully and see how much I enjoy it - neither the hype from the band nor negative reviews shall affect my opinion in advance.
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I never EXPECT any new record, film, book, TV show, or item of food to be THE BEST OF ALL TIME. That's just unrealistic.
I read that so wrong.. I read "I never expect to record a bosk TV show" :sadpanda:
That's some heavy dyslexia xD
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Ever have any dreams where you think you heard the new music?
Happened to me last night.
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Ever have any dreams where you think you heard the new music?
Happened to me last night.
Yes, it happened to me a few weeks ago. I don't remember it any more of course, but it was actually really good and sounded like a real DT tune.
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edit: irreeeelllleeeevanntt
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What has that got to do with the new DT album?
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I never EXPECT any new record, film, book, TV show, or item of food to be THE BEST OF ALL TIME. That's just unrealistic.
I read that so wrong.. I read "I never expect to record a bosk TV show" :sadpanda:
That's some heavy dyslexia xD
I know haha, but I'd be happy with a Darth Vader TV show!
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Ever have any dreams where you think you heard the new music?
Happened to me last night.
:omg: :omg: :omg: I had a dream I heard (and saw) one of the new songs last night too. Either I was actually there or watching it on TV or something, but JLB and JR came into this darkened room - just looked like someones living room. The song started and I could hear the whole band, even though it was only James and Jordan that were actually there. It started out really awesome, with this cool little twisting, turning JR and JP unison, but slowly it got strangers and stranger. Really weird and experimental. James started dancing about like a maniac in the background, like a hippy doing some new age interpretive dance or something. At this point, the music had become totally sparse and spooky. Then JR went down on his hands and knees and started biting JLB's jeans :lol :| Don't remember anything else thankfully ;D
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I don`t want to disturb anybody. I`m gonna be out of here until 9/24.
There will be official reviews, a single, and maybe snippets. I respect that.
Bye.
Nice.
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I never EXPECT any new record, film, book, TV show, or item of food to be THE BEST OF ALL TIME. That's just unrealistic.
I read that so wrong.. I read "I never expect to record a bosk TV show" :sadpanda:
Fuck :lol :rollin :lol
What has that got to do with the new DT album?
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Ever have any dreams where you think you heard the new music?
Happened to me last night.
:omg: :omg: :omg: I had a dream I heard (and saw) one of the new songs last night too. Either I was actually there or watching it on TV or something, but JLB and JR came into this darkened room - just looked like someones living room. The song started and I could hear the whole band, even though it was only James and Jordan that were actually there. It started out really awesome, with this cool little twisting, turning JR and JP unison, but slowly it got strangers and stranger. Really weird and experimental. James started dancing about like a maniac in the background, like a hippy doing some new age interpretive dance or something. At this point, the music had become totally sparse and spooky. Then JR went down on his hands and knees and started biting JLB's jeans :lol :| Don't remember anything else thankfully ;D
I'm trying to imagine what the music would sound like...
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sooo.. we said that when this thread was gonna hit 100 pages, the single will be released. I guess than in less than 4 hours we'll get the single? :justjen
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Ever have any dreams where you think you heard the new music?
Happened to me last night.
Ah I would have that before ADTOE came out. Hasn't happened yet for this album, but I'm sure it's Only a Matter of Time
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sooo.. we said that when this thread was gonna hit 100 pages, the single will be released. I guess than in less than 4 hours we'll get the single? :justjen
Preferably.
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On a Saturday? Not a chance at all. Announcements are almost exclusively made on weekdays.
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As far as the subject of having expectations of the new album, my expectation so far is positive based solely on the song titles and cover art, which I love. As far as the music itself, I have 0 expectations at the moment, but once some official reviews start popping up I'm sure that will mold my expectations as to the music itself to a degree. As far as my hope for the new album, I'm hoping for more of an Octavarium type sound since that is by far my favorite album. So if it's similar in a way to Octavarium, although I know it will be different, I'll be overjoyed.
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Mangini in the studio has raised my expectations a couple of notches.
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On a Saturday? Not a chance at all. Announcements are almost exclusively made on weekdays.
What is the PR benefit of that?
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A weekday is " sooon......"
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On a Saturday? Not a chance at all. Announcements are almost exclusively made on weekdays.
What is the PR benefit of that?
Facebook activity shows the most people spend time on Facebook around 1pm (during lunch break) and at around 6-8pm (after they get home/dinner whatever) on weekdays. The internet, or social media for that matter, is used mostly as a pastime during work, or just after work hours. In weekends people have other stuff to do, besides their usual chores and thus they spend less time on the internet. That's why major announcements for basically anything are always made on weekdays, preferably at the beginning of a week, and never in weekends.
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I never EXPECT any new record, film, book, TV show, or item of food to be THE BEST OF ALL TIME. That's just unrealistic.
I read that so wrong.. I read "I never expect to record a bosk TV show" :sadpanda:
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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What has that got to do with the new DT album?
This question needs to be asked on a daily basis, if not hourly.
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IMO, in the album studios James sounds amazing in all of them.
But live? I really think he'd lost something since Score era.
God knows how much I disagree with you!
Don't worry, he'll probably change his mind when LALP comes out :)
I really hope so :)
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...I'm not in your list?
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Don't worry, I've always thought you're a native speaker!
I hope I'm in Rich's list as well :biggrin:
I don't have an actual list. :lol But yes you would be in it if I made one.
Maybe I should make one and add it to my sig.
That would be the "good english non-native speakers/sexin' later" list.
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Perhaps the single is dropping next week! On the backs of angels was a high quality single from my point of view. I expect the new one to be, at least, equally worthwile.
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Wow, a lot happened while I was away on vacay.
I dig the cover art, minus that lil flaw. I love the track names. And from the videos it sounds like this should be pretty good. Seems like this album should be a bit different that the previous, which is good. I am digging the shorter song length potential. Not that I have anything against longer songs, but I think it's high time they went back and explored their shorter song styles, like from Awake and FII (and even SFAM to an extent).
Look forward to hearing a single whenever they decide to release it. Not pressed here; when it happens it happens. :tup
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Im guessing a single will come the first or second week of august.
Personally, i feel that its a bit too early to get it right now. I´ll end up listening the song to death, and skipping over it when i finally listen to the album in its entirety, which might ruin the flow of the album. When September 24th comes i´ll be way to excited to listen to all the new music, that listening to a song that i´ve heard non-stop for two months is out of the question :P
HI! "New" guy here btw! Looong time lurker. I was registered a couple years back, and did some posting, but i eventually forgot my password, and my old username/password-combo got lost when i changed my e-mail account.
I was registered as St_Lucifer on the old DT.net site if that rings any bells for all you old folks.
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Welcome back then I guess :biggrin:
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Welcome back! :)
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Well...so close to 100 pages :P
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When we reach 100, we will get the release date of the release date of the possible release date of the single :lol
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When we reach 100, we will get the release date of the release date of the possible release date of the single :lol
What are you talking about?...
They've already announced the release date of the single.
SOON :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Ι wonder when we will start seeing interviews and reviews come up on the internet, i think there are many people who have received promo copies, so i guess some people would like to be among the first to review the album.
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Everyone must have a low 'posts per page' setting - I'm only on page 69 ;D
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Everyone must have the correct 'posts per page' setting - I'm only on page 69 ;D
FTFY :biggrin:
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Everyone must have the correct 'posts per page' setting - I'm only on page 69 ;D
FTFY :biggrin:
So we are not even close...which would justify the "soon-argument" :D
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Maybe we should wait for a confirmation to show this review.
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Considering the very questionable source of that "review", I'm not sure that link is going to be allowed.
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Are these song lengths correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_(album)
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Are these song lengths correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_(album)
I'm also wondering!!!
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Until the official release of that information, take that with a grain of salt. It's entirely possible that an early reviewer updated the article with track lengths. It's just as likely to be someone guessing.
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Are these song lengths correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_(album)
Where did that come from? o.o
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I wouldn't pay too much attention to the reviews. We will all have to listen to it ourselves. None of them has even been helpful in identifying with any precision the sound of the album.
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Are these song lengths correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_(album)
Would be pretty awesome if they were.
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The album adds up to roughly 76 minutes with those lengths.
I did it by minutes and then decimals . Eg. 6:40 = 6 minutes and .6 of a minute...
Anyone care to correct me ? :)
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Are these song lengths correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_(album)
The album adds up to roughly 76 minutes with those lengths.
I did it by minutes and then decimals . Eg. 6:40 = 6 minutes and .6 of a minute...
Anyone care to correct me ? :)
74 minutes and 11 seconds. I like these song lengths much better, specifically for FAS. I hope they're the real ones but I'll wait and see.
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Those lenghts are fake. The real ones were posted here a few pages ago, and they were confirmed by Noxon. The album is 68 minutes long, which I personally like.
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The album adds up to roughly 76 minutes with those lengths.
I did it by minutes and then decimals . Eg. 6:40 = 6 minutes and .6 of a minute...
Anyone care to correct me ? :)
I'm sure you're not too far off either way. And I think those are bogus times. It is wikipedia after all, and it's not strongly backed up by the info we have so far from various sources.
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:metal We'll see in time who was telling the truth :)
As I said before - I'm not bothered if it's 78 minutes or 68.
An hour and ten of concise well executed music is far better than an hour and twenty of mediocre music.
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still talking about song lengths :'(
music quality and duration are mutually exclusive.
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Are these song lengths correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_(album)
Would be pretty awesome if they were.
Did someone edit this wiki? There are no song lengths here. Not that it matters if they're fake, but otherwise I don't see why this article is being brought up. I see nothing new here.
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I removed them.
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Are these song lengths correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_(album)
Would be pretty awesome if they were.
Did someone edit this wiki? There are no song lengths here. Not that it matters if they're fake, but otherwise I don't see why this article is being brought up. I see nothing new here.
According to page history, it was edited by one "noxon," for being - among other things - complete nonsense.
ETA: And there's the man himself!
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I removed them.
:tup
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Cancel Red Alert ! Resume waiting ! :lol
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Oh man...this is getting frustrating -.-
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You can preorder the album on Amazon now (as in not an import)
https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Theater/dp/B00DJ80VMM/
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Oh man...this is getting frustrating -.-
It is indeed frustrating being led on by false information. Though that's my fault for getting my hopes up.
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Maybe we should wait for a confirmation to show this review.
Which review..?
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Maybe we should wait for a confirmation to show this review.
Which review..?
He also needs an authorization to tell you which review...
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Maybe we should wait for a confirmation to show this review.
Which review..?
He also needs an authorization to tell you which review...
Oh, come on... -.-
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Here's my theory on why this thread is getting confusing/rediculous.
Someone will post an article with false information. People will discuss for a few posts about whether the post with the false information is legit and or reliable. Then it will be confirmed that it's not legit or reliable, and the post will be taken down. BUT the ensuing chaotic discussion of said false information will NOT be deleted. This causes much confusion for those who come in late to the discussion. Perhaps it is just me.
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If these times ARE true, I'd just like to point out that this is the first album since WDADU without a 10-19 minute song.
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If these times ARE true, I'd just like to point out that this is the first album since WDADU without a 10-19 minute song.
Well, but at least one over 20 minutes :P But which set of song lengths are you referring to now..? :P
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From Page 88:
1. False Awakening Suite – 2:42
2. The Enemy Inside – 6:17
3. The Looking Glass – 4:53
4. Enigma Machine – 6:01
5. The Bigger Picture – 7:40
6. Behind The Veil – 6:52
7. Surrender To Reason – 6:34
8. Along For The Ride – 4:45
9. Illumination Theory – 22:17
I was hoping for FAS to be longer, but since it is a sub-3 minute instrumental, it'll probably pack a big punch. It's a tired comparison, but if it has a similar impact as Overture 1928 did, I'll be quite happy.
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Well...this time around no ones seems to be bothered by the wikipedia edit.....
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I'm cool with those song lengths if they are actually true. A lot of shorter songs... a very cool thing. A suite under 3 minutes... I dig that... not what you expect... rather... progressive.
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I'm cool with those song lengths if they are actually true. A lot of shorter songs... a very cool thing. A suite under 3 minutes... I dig that... not what you expect... rather... progressive.
I like them as well! The only I'd change: At least one more song above the 10-minute mark, preferably FAS =)
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I was hoping for FAS to be longer, but since it is a sub-3 minute instrumental, it'll probably pack a big punch. It's a tired comparison, but if it has a similar impact as Overture 1928 did, I'll be quite happy.
Doubt it, honestly. They said FAS would be a replacement for their usual concert openers, which are usually intro clips from movie soundtracks. Those clips are usually more atmospheric and suspenseful than high-energy like Overture 1928.
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Why is the epic always at the end? :huh:
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Would you rather it be in the beginning?
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Why is the epic always at the end? :huh:
Because it's a climactic ending, and it's a bit hard to follow it up. It doesn't have to be at the end, but it works well at the end.
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The idea is that usually the main course is served in the middle of the meal, but since this epic contains chocolate as we already know, it will be served as a dessert :biggrin:
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The idea is that usually the main course is served in the middle of the meal, but since this epic contains chocolate as we already know, it will be served as a dessert :biggrin:
A very large dessert :o
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The idea is that usually the main course is served in the middle of the meal, but since this epic contains chocolate as we already know, it will be served as a dessert :biggrin:
A very large dessert :o
The best kind!
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The idea is that usually the main course is served in the middle of the meal, but since this epic contains chocolate as we already know, it will be served as a dessert :biggrin:
A very large dessert :o
The best kind!
Come and have a taste, a rare dessert
All the finest chocolates improve with age
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I hate chocolate cake. Why couldn't he have likened the guitar tone to a cheese enchilada?
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I hate chocolate cake. Why couldn't he have likened the guitar tone to a cheese enchilada?
You want the new album to give me gas?
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I hate chocolate cake. Why couldn't he have likened the guitar tone to a cheese enchilada?
...you hate chocolate cake? How's that possible? :P
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I hate chocolate cake. Why couldn't he have likened the guitar tone to a cheese enchilada?
...you hate chocolate cake? How's that possible? :P
I know at least two people who despise chocolate in general.
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I hate chocolate cake. Why couldn't he have likened the guitar tone to a cheese enchilada?
Why do you hate America?
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I hate chocolate cake. Why couldn't he have likened the guitar tone to a cheese enchilada?
Why do you hate America?
Communist
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The food isn't as good in America. Viva Mexico! :lol
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Seemingly, the current title lengths are correct............?!
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I hate chocolate cake. Why couldn't he have likened the guitar tone to a cheese enchilada?
Why do you hate America?
Communist
no u
Seemingly, the current title lengths are correct............?!
Yeah, noxon basically confirmed them.
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It seems like it. I just can't wait to hear Illumination Theory.
Ooh, let's talk about IT. :biggrin: ;D :biggrin:
Paradoxe de la Lumiere Noire (Paradox of the Black Light) is the introduction, and it's name makes me think it will be like the Octavarium intro, perhaps with more of the band involved.
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I hate chocolate cake. Why couldn't he have likened the guitar tone to a cheese enchilada?
Why do you hate America?
Communist
no u
Nuh uh.
Ok so I wet my lips with a bunch of DT, JLB and PT recently... but nothing can kill my thirst for this album. Hopefully something (single? reviews? interviews? more press photos? ANYTHING) comes... soon
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I hate chocolate cake. Why couldn't he have likened the guitar tone to a cheese enchilada?
...you hate chocolate cake? How's that possible? :P
Lactose intolerance. It is no laughing matter.
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It seems like it. I just can't wait to hear Illumination Theory.
Ooh, let's talk about IT. :biggrin: ;D :biggrin:
Paradoxe de la Lumiere Noire (Paradox of the Black Light) is the introduction, and it's name makes me think it will be like the Octavarium intro, perhaps with more of the band involved.
I'm all for Jordan having long, spacey solos.
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The food isn't as good in America. Viva Mexico! :lol
Aah, so you're a fan of the proper xocolatl then.
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It seems like it. I just can't wait to hear Illumination Theory.
Ooh, let's talk about IT. :biggrin: ;D :biggrin:
Paradoxe de la Lumiere Noire (Paradox of the Black Light) is the introduction, and it's name makes me think it will be like the Octavarium intro, perhaps with more of the band involved.
I don't have the progress chart before my eyes...but one song was called "Yarrgh". This is FAS then, right? But what about the easter egg? What about the other 9 songs on the board? :/ Am I missing out on something?
I'd agree that paradoxe d.l.l.n. sounds like some kind of instrumental intro =)
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I add: Yes, I agree that Noxon indirectly confirmed the song lengths :D
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Paradoxe de la Lumiere Noire (Paradox of the Black Light) is the introduction, and it's name makes me think it will be like the Octavarium intro, perhaps with more of the band involved.
Actually, the structure of the album seems very 8V-ish, now that I think of it. Mostly shorter songs concluded by a 20+ minute epic.
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Paradoxe de la Lumiere Noire (Paradox of the Black Light) is the introduction, and it's name makes me think it will be like the Octavarium intro, perhaps with more of the band involved.
Actually, the structure of the album seems very 8V-ish, now that I think of it. Mostly shorter songs concluded by a 20+ minute epic.
I'd say so too that it seems to have an Octavarium structure......I cannot tell for sure if I like it though...just one song above the 10-minute mark :/ I'd hoped there would be at least two....
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Title lengths are gone? Speculation gone? Certainty gone? :P
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:lol This thread reached 100 pages WHILST I was reading page 99.
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100 pages, now where's my goddamn single?
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I'm confused...hopefully an "authorized" person can help us out as soon as possible..
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in on page 100.
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It would be hilarious if a single was released during the course of this page, but alas...
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lol why is my name the :beg: emoticon :lucien:
EDIT: in bold
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It would be hilarious if a single was released, but alas...
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lol why is my name the :beg: emoticon :lucien:
The kotowboy one should be the :facepalm:
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To get back on track a bit.... I'm a little concerned that with the lack of keyboard solos on this record, Jordan may be overtaken by the orchestra. Meaning Jordan won't be as big a presence on DT12. Sure he's a big part of orchestrating and composing the orchestra parts, but keys won't be a big part of this record. Is this a concern to anyone else?
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Whoever said there was a lack of keyboard solos?
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No, Jordan's influence runs much deeper than just his solos. I'm sure we'll get a healthy amount of Jordan fuelled awesomeness, solos or not.
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Of all those 100 pages, I wonder how much actually is about the new Dream Theater album.
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To get back on track a bit.... I'm a little concerned that with the lack of keyboard solos on this record, Jordan may be overtaken by the orchestra. Meaning Jordan won't be as big a presence on DT12. Sure he's a big part of orchestrating and composing the orchestra parts, but keys won't be a big part of this record. Is this a concern to anyone else?
Why would I be concerned? The quality of the music is the important thing.
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I felt Jordan toned his wanking down a lot for ADTOE, and it was a nice change from the previous albums.
Jordans presence will be all over this record, im sure , and if he gets less solo-time than before, im not worried at all. I hope he continues the path he took on the previous record, and focuses more on melody and layering of awesome sounds.
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To get back on track a bit.... I'm a little concerned that with the lack of keyboard solos on this record, Jordan may be overtaken by the orchestra. Meaning Jordan won't be as big a presence on DT12. Sure he's a big part of orchestrating and composing the orchestra parts, but keys won't be a big part of this record. Is this a concern to anyone else?
Why would I be concerned? The quality of the music is the important thing.
Yeah. I'm not concerned that the album isn't going to be as good because JR isn't as prominent on it. I'm just wondering: If the orchestra is on more than FAS and IT, will it be a good blending?
For example, I prefer the studio version of 6DOIT because, though Jordan's using an orchestra patch, I can tell he's doing it. Whereas on the live version, most of his part was done by the orchestra, which was really cool, but it sounded just enough different to me to be a little off-putting.
8VM on the other hand was a great blending, and when they do the song live, it works great either with on Orchestra or Jordan using the patch.
I guess I'm just hoping it'll have a good keys/orchestra ratio. Any thoughts?
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^Exactly the opposite is true for me. With Octavarium, the orchestra was on the record, so when JR does the orchestra parts live it's obviously not going to sound as good. But with SDOIT, you're used to the fake-sounding samples on the record, so it sounds much better on Score with the real instruments.
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To get back on track a bit.... I'm a little concerned that with the lack of keyboard solos on this record, Jordan may be overtaken by the orchestra. Meaning Jordan won't be as big a presence on DT12. Sure he's a big part of orchestrating and composing the orchestra parts, but keys won't be a big part of this record. Is this a concern to anyone else?
Jordan does a lot of cool things that aren't solos, so I'm not too worried. I usually like his solos, but a change would be nice.
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JRs solos are hit and miss for me.. I wouldn't be bothered if he didnt play any, I prefer his accompanying work anyway, but I don't mind his solos, they add variation.
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Wasn't the orchestra featured only in a section on IT and maybe on FAS? Or did I mishear/misread something?
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I'm cool with those song lengths if they are actually true. A lot of shorter songs... a very cool thing. A suite under 3 minutes... I dig that... not what you expect... rather... progressive.
I like them as well! The only I'd change: At least one more song above the 10-minute mark, preferably FAS =)
Yeah, one more longer song could have been/could be cool, but I'm cool with it as it is (assuming these are correct). I don't think I'd be fore making FAS long though. Starting out the album with a long instrumental doesn't quite seem like the best way to start it... at least in my opinion.
And as far as the JR presence... I felt his soloing was toned down on ADTOE but at the same time I felt his presence in terms of sound was far greater than in past albums. I think his atmospheric contributions to the albums can offer far more than his solos in many instances.
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I'm cool with those song lengths if they are actually true. A lot of shorter songs... a very cool thing. A suite under 3 minutes... I dig that... not what you expect... rather... progressive.
I like them as well! The only I'd change: At least one more song above the 10-minute mark, preferably FAS =)
Yeah, one more longer song could have been/could be cool, but I'm cool with it as it is (assuming these are correct). I don't think I'd be fore making FAS long though. Starting out the album with a long instrumental doesn't quite seem like the best way to start it... at least in my opinion.
Yes...under the presumption the only the first part of FAS is an instrumental..
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I'm cool with those song lengths if they are actually true. A lot of shorter songs... a very cool thing. A suite under 3 minutes... I dig that... not what you expect... rather... progressive.
I like them as well! The only I'd change: At least one more song above the 10-minute mark, preferably FAS =)
Yeah, one more longer song could have been/could be cool, but I'm cool with it as it is (assuming these are correct). I don't think I'd be fore making FAS long though. Starting out the album with a long instrumental doesn't quite seem like the best way to start it... at least in my opinion.
Yes...under the presumption the only the first part of FAS is an instrumental..
If, on the whiteboard, it says that the opening track (an entire track on the CD) is an instrumental, it means it's an instrumental, not just a part of it. FAS is all instrumental.
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I'm cool with those song lengths if they are actually true. A lot of shorter songs... a very cool thing. A suite under 3 minutes... I dig that... not what you expect... rather... progressive.
I like them as well! The only I'd change: At least one more song above the 10-minute mark, preferably FAS =)
Yeah, one more longer song could have been/could be cool, but I'm cool with it as it is (assuming these are correct). I don't think I'd be fore making FAS long though. Starting out the album with a long instrumental doesn't quite seem like the best way to start it... at least in my opinion.
Yes...under the presumption the only the first part of FAS is an instrumental..
If, on the whiteboard, it says that the opening track (an entire track on the CD) is an instrumental, it means it's an instrumental, not just a part of it. FAS is all instrumental.
But didn't the whiteboard say that there 10 songs? What about the rest then? Or how many songs are there? :huh:
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The whiteboard stated 8 songs plus an Opener plus an Easter Egg. FAS = Opener = all instrumental by that line of reasoning then. Easter egg will I assume be a lil extra nugget of musical goodness hidden at the end of IT.
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Easter eggs usually are made from chocolate. Guitars sound like chocolate cake. Are we seeing a trend here?
oooH!
"Dream Theater" is a concept album about chocolate!
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The whiteboard stated 8 songs plus an Opener plus an Easter Egg. FAS = Opener = all instrumental by that line of reasoning then. Easter egg will I assume be a lil extra nugget of musical goodness hidden at the end of IT.
Ah, oke, thanks for the enlightenment!
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Weird... A common trend has been to release the lead single months in advance of the album release date. Something is going on...
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Dream Theater is not a trendy band.
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I felt Jordan toned his wanking down a lot for ADTOE, and it was a nice change from the previous albums.
Jordans presence will be all over this record, im sure , and if he gets less solo-time than before, im not worried at all. I hope he continues the path he took on the previous record, and focuses more on melody and layering of awesome sounds.
Totally agree with this. I've always thought that all of DT's keyboardists including Jordan are at their best when providing excellent atmosphere and melodies instead of soloing.
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Weird... A common trend has been to release the lead single months in advance of the album release date. Something is going on...
The trend in the past has been to release a single before doing a summer tour, so they can play a new song. They're not playing any summer shows this year, so no need to release it so early. They will be releasing one though, soon...
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The reason they haven't released a single is that they haven't actually written any music. It's all a gigantic prank.
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The reason they haven't released a single is that they haven't actually written any music. It's all a gigantic prank.
:clap:
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^Exactly the opposite is true for me. With Octavarium, the orchestra was on the record, so when JR does the orchestra parts live it's obviously not going to sound as good. But with SDOIT, you're used to the fake-sounding samples on the record, so it sounds much better on Score with the real instruments.
Agreed.
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The reason they haven't released a single is that they haven't actually written any music. It's all a gigantic prank.
I would :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
And then :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( so hard.
And then I would :marriageanalogy: :marriageanalogy: :marriageanalogy:
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Of all those 100 pages, I wonder how much actually is about the new Dream Theater album.
If I had to guess, 1 page.
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The reason they haven't released a single is that they haven't actually written any music. It's all a gigantic prank.
I would :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
And then :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( so hard.
And then I would :marriageanalogy: :marriageanalogy: :marriageanalogy:
I would be severely disappointed, but I would also enjoy watching the DTF riot which would inevitably ensue.
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So that would mean that Trolltrucci is the evolution of Beartrucci.
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Well page 101.. doesn't look like we're getting a single ;)
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Well page 101.. doesn't look like we're getting a single ;)
Yes we are! We are getting a single... word! soon.
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The reason they haven't released a single is that they haven't actually written any music. It's all a gigantic prank.
I would :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
And then :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( so hard.
And then I would :marriageanalogy: :marriageanalogy: :marriageanalogy:
I would be severely disappointed, but I would also enjoy watching the DTF riot which would inevitably ensue.
Like a scream but sort of silent, living off my nightmares....
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lol why is my name the :beg: emoticon :lucien:
You asked bosk for it yourself in this thread.
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I hate when I go to RoadRunner's twitter and I see an old retweet of something like: "Dream Theater - Official music" And I'm like :0000000000000000!!!!! And then I continue reading: "Wither"! :facepalm:
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I asked for the then-empty :beg emoticon to actually have something, therefore :beg:
I randomly tested :lucien and :lucien: appeared.
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Any updates or are we still talking about whether the new album is a concept album?
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:superdude:
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Any updates or are we still talking about whether the new album is a concept album?
No, we're not talking about its concept.
Honestly if I'm hunting for updates I just go to the facebook and twitter pages for both DT and :soon:
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Any updates or are we still talking about whether the new album is a concept album?
No, we're not talking about its concept.
Honestly if I'm hunting for updates I just go to the facebook and twitter pages for both DT and :soon:
Same, but that sometimes (twitter mainly) leads me to the accident I've just described above :lol
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Any updates or are we still talking about whether the new album is a concept album?
Catch up dude ! It's already been confirmed that it's Metropolis Part IV : The Voyage Home.
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WHAT? Didn't someone else on this board confirm that this was another part of the Finest Wines suite? :o
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Metropolis Part IV : The Quest For Peace.
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Metropolis Part IV : The Quest For Peace.
Metropolis Part V : The Hypnotist Strikes Back
-Marc.
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Hopefully new single and pre-sale this week. It has been prophesied.
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Hopefully new single and pre-sale this week. It has been prophesied.
:beg:
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The food isn't as good in America. Viva Mexico! :lol
Aah, so you're a fan of the proper xocolatl then.
Well, it does originate from Mexico, not from Switzerland or Belgium like so many people believe. ;)
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I've got a good feeling about this one guys! It won't just be 30 pages of spam this time!
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I keep telling myself to not comeback to this thread until the first two weeks of august pass, BUT... IT'S ... STRONGER... THAN... ME! DARK MASTER!
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New JLB album is out today.
Brace yourself for some "New leaked DT song!" videos :facepalm: :facepalm:
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New JLB album is out today.
Brace yourself for some "New leaked DT song!" videos :facepalm: :facepalm:
A friend of mine co-wrote 3 tracks with Gilroy on that album :metal
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New JLB album is out today.
Brace yourself for some "New leaked DT song!" videos :facepalm: :facepalm:
A friend of mine co-wrote 3 tracks with Gilroy on that album :metal
James? :o
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New JLB album is out today.
Brace yourself for some "New leaked DT song!" videos :facepalm: :facepalm:
A friend of mine co-wrote 3 tracks with Gilroy on that album :metal
James? :o
It's probably the Lundin guy Matt mentioned as the co-lyricist for some songs when he revealed the credits.
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New JLB album is out today.
Brace yourself for some "New leaked DT song!" videos :facepalm: :facepalm:
A friend of mine co-wrote 3 tracks with Gilroy on that album :metal
James? :o
It's probably the Lundin guy Matt mentioned as the co-lyricist for some songs when he revealed the credits.
That´s correct :tup
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Easter eggs usually are made from chocolate. Guitars sound like chocolate cake. Are we seeing a trend here?
oooH!
"Dream Theater" is a concept album about chocolate!
The eater eggs I know are made of eggs.
Metropolis Part IV : The Quest For Peace.
Metropolis Part V : The Hypnotist Strikes Back
Metropolis Part III: Fuck All This Concept Shit
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What!? How boring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Osterei_Verzierung,_March_2010.jpg
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Bg-easter-eggs.jpg/600px-Bg-easter-eggs.jpg)
On Topic: I think the chances for a single this week are pretty high. At least I hope so.
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While I agree that no single has been released to date because of the lack of tours this summer, I believe that the release of JLB's solo album played a big role as well
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Metropolis Part IV : The Quest For Peace.
Metropolis Part V : The Hypnotist Strikes Back
-Marc.
Metropolis Part VI: Return of Victoria
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And then Disney buys Metropolis. Fuck.
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leaked lyrics :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Crucify... Resist, deny
Kill the pain that dwells inside
Send your word
From on high
So this part of me will die
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
*its crucify from james labrie's solo album, elements of persuasion*
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dafuq, where do they come from?
either way, they're metal as hell :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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leaked lyrics :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Crucify... Resist, deny
Kill the pain that dwells inside
Send your word
From on high
So this part of me will die
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
:lol :lol
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Strong Octavarium vibe from those lyrics :lol
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oh, false allarm, they're from James' new record. :facepalm:
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Nope, from his Elements Of Persuasion (2005).
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oh, false allarm, they're from James' new record. :facepalm:
It's actually from one of his older albums, Elements of Persuasion (Myung'd by Zydar). It's worth checking out if you're into the more straight up metal. :tup
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oh you guys...
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Just FYI, tomorrow there is a listening party for the album at the DT HQ (according to my friend from Rocking GR where he posted the title of the album before everyone ;) ) so i guess we'll get some impressions from media pretty soon
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:panicattack:
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Τhough i have to say that Warner Greece sucks balls, they don't even care for DT as it seems and my friend has yet to receive a promo copy.
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So nothing new over the weekend.
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So nothing new over the weekend.
That was to be expected due to them never releasing anything over the weekend anyways.
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They seem to like Monday or Tuesday mornings.
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They seem to like Monday or Tuesday mornings.
:beg: :beg:
Maybe....? :justjen
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Last time, they put out an announcement before releasing the single, so I anticipate they won't just plop the single on Youtube this time around either. We'll know about it beforehand (that is, it doesn't seem like we'll get something tomorrow morning because we'd have heard about it by now).
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Last time, they put out an announcement before releasing the single, so I anticipate they won't just plop the single on Youtube this time around either. We'll know about it beforehand (that is, it doesn't seem like we'll get something tomorrow morning because we'd have heard about it by now).
I really don't know if you can count on ADTOE's schedule.
DT12's schedule seems to be kind of unique :)
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We're still 8 weeks out. Still lots of time. Trust me when I say there is a lot coming. But as to "when," you'll just have to be patient and wait and see. But there will be a pretty steady flow of information and promotion between now and then.
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And there's been a pretty steady flow up until now, really.
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I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a single 8 weeks from album release date. Are we to presume that the above post is implying that we shouldn't get our hope up just yet?
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We're still 8 weeks out. Still lots of time. Trust me when I say there is a lot coming. But as to "when," you'll just have to be patient and wait and see. But there will be a pretty steady flow of information and promotion between now and then.
Oh bosk, how you make us all turn green with envy
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:guitarded:
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I think we may get the single next week, but that's just my gut feeling.
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Eh, not really, it would be like if we said we are jealous of band members for having heard the full album already :D some people are privy to info, some haven't.
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Back in 1991, I remember reading something about the Use You Illusion I (Guns N Roses) going back to the mixing/mastering process after someone with an advance copy notice something wrong with one of the tracks. I don't know if it's a common incident.... Anyway...
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The past couple album cycles we've done these discography listening parties. Kinda strange one hasn't been done yet this year. Maybe if people want to...
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Back in 1991, I remember reading something about the Use You Illusion I (Guns N Roses) going back to the mixing/mastering process after someone with an advance copy notice something wrong with one of the tracks. I don't know if it's a common incident.... Anyway...
No.
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The past couple album cycles we've done these discography listening parties. Kinda strange one hasn't been done yet this year. Maybe if people want to...
UHM I WANNA. I can get my CDs from the ex-boyfriend's to do it "properly" as well :lol
edit: OR MAKE HIM AND OTHERS GO THROUGH IT WITH ME. Aw yeah I'm smart.
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I think we may get the single next week, but that's just my gut feeling.
I predict a single between now and 9/24...
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I think we may get the single next week, but that's just my gut feeling.
I predict a single between now and 9/24...
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7076_1364592449.jpeg)
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I predict that there won't be anything...not a snippet, not a single, probably not even an album at all -.-
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Last time, they put out an announcement before releasing the single, so I anticipate they won't just plop the single on Youtube this time around either. We'll know about it beforehand (that is, it doesn't seem like we'll get something tomorrow morning because we'd have heard about it by now).
I really don't know if you can count on ADTOE's schedule.
DT12's schedule seems to be kind of unique :)
I don't know if this album is taking longer because of the writing/preproduction/postproduction process, or if it just feels like it's longer because of it being new. This seems like a lot longer wait than is typical.
I'm sure it's not, but it feels that way.... Waiting sucks!
There needs to be a watch emoticon and a bored emoticon? Do these exist already?
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All this talk about a single reminds me of the days, long ago, when singles weren't necessarily, if at ALL, on a band's albums. The Beatles are just one example of a band I can cite where they released singles that weren't on the next album. Can you imagine a band doing that now? "Oh man, new Dream Theater single, the album's gonna be amazing!" "What do you mean, the single isn't on the album?!"
You guys would explode. :biggrin:
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There needs to be a watch emoticon and a bored emoticon? Do these exist already?
This emoticon is used to express lounging out of boredom, such as on a couch:
:zydarscouch:
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There needs to be a watch emoticon and a bored emoticon? Do these exist already?
For bored I have this one: :yawn:
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A new single coming
soon :laugh:
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A new single coming
:soon: :laugh:
FTFY
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All this talk about a single reminds me of the days, long ago, when singles weren't necessarily, if at ALL, on a band's albums. The Beatles are just one example of a band I can cite where they released singles that weren't on the next album. Can you imagine a band doing that now? "Oh man, new Dream Theater single, the album's gonna be amazing!" "What do you mean, the single isn't on the album?!"
You guys would explode. :biggrin:
Haha the single is the Easter Egg only available on the deluxe edition..
The way they're marketing this is just great. People are getting hurt on no news, still the album is being discussed, or mentioned. I'm interested in JP's quote saying he wants this album to be digested fresh with no influence other than your ears, or something like that can't dig at the moment.
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Still very surprised we haven't heard anything...
I guess the single will come same time as the pre-order announcement.
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Still very surprised we haven't heard anything...
I guess the single will come same time as the pre-order announcement.
Yeah, I figured that is most likely the case.
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I think we may get the single next week, but that's just my gut feeling.
I've been thinking "we may get the single next week" for a couple of weeks now :smiley:
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I think we may get the single next week, but that's just my gut feeling.
I've been thinking "we may get the single next week" for a couple of weeks now :smiley:
same here :lol
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I predict that there won't be anything...not a snippet, not a single, probably not even an album at all -.-
I predict that you are incorrect.
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I predict whenever we get the announcement of the single the next 5 pages will be filled with
:panicattack:
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I predict this post will be number 3575 in this topic.
And that someone else is gonna predict something.
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I predict whenever we get the announcement of the single the next 20 pages will be filled with
:panicattack:
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Roadrunner said that the pre-order won't be up until August now, right? I assume that would be around the same time the single is released.
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I predict whenever we get the announcement of the single the next 50 pages will be filled with
:panicattack:
That's better.
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we spend so much time waiting and speculating over 70ish minutes of music...
:lol
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we spend so much time waiting and speculating over 70ish minutes of music...
:lol
Only 70 minutes?!?!?!?!?!
:neverusethis:
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we spend so much time waiting and speculating over 70ish minutes of music...
:lol
That's what this thread is for, isn't it? With DT, it isn't just 70 minutes of music. It's a Dream Theater record. There are more layers to this experience than other bands. We spend so much time speculating because that is what fans do.
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I've been a little on edge about the lack of an album title and traditional DT cover artwork. Right now, I feel like this album has zero identity. The music and lyrics better be pretty kick-ass. I trust John Petrucci. He's never let us down. But I'm on edge about this one! Just venting.
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I've been a little on edge about the lack of an album title and traditional DT cover artwork. Right now, I feel like this album has zero identity. The music and lyrics better be pretty kick-ass. I trust John Petrucci. He's never let us down. But I'm on edge about this one! Just venting.
I also dislike the lack of an album title. I've never really understand self-titled albums if they're not the debut.
It doesn't really matter, I suppose, I just like album titles.
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To be honest with James' new album just out I don't think I'll have much problem waiting for the new album. This stuff is seriously rocking :metal
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To be honest with James' new album just out I don't think I'll have much problem waiting for the new album. This stuff is seriously rocking :metal
Indeed. Released in the states here next week officially... should hopefully tide people over until the single (or the album in general) are released.
I don't expect the DT album single anytime too soon personally. Besides, there is some enjoyment in anticipation. :)
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I predict whenever we get the announcement of the single the next 58 pages will be filled with
:panicattack:
That's better.
NOW it is.
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I've been a little on edge about the lack of an album title and traditional DT cover artwork. Right now, I feel like this album has zero identity. The music and lyrics better be pretty kick-ass. I trust John Petrucci. He's never let us down. But I'm on edge about this one! Just venting.
That's not a big loss :neverusethis:
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I've been a little on edge about the lack of an album title and traditional DT cover artwork. Right now, I feel like this album has zero identity. The music and lyrics better be pretty kick-ass. I trust John Petrucci. He's never let us down. But I'm on edge about this one! Just venting.
At this point, it'd be more appropriate to say the album had zero gravity...
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I've been a little on edge about the lack of an album title and traditional DT cover artwork. Right now, I feel like this album has zero identity. The music and lyrics better be pretty kick-ass. I trust John Petrucci. He's never let us down. But I'm on edge about this one! Just venting.
At this point, it'd be more appropriate to say the album had zero gravity...
Ha!... I don't get it...
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I've been a little on edge about the lack of an album title and traditional DT cover artwork. Right now, I feel like this album has zero identity. The music and lyrics better be pretty kick-ass. I trust John Petrucci. He's never let us down. But I'm on edge about this one! Just venting.
At this point, it'd be more appropriate to say the album had zero gravity...
Ha!... I don't get it...
Hint: Space
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We're still 8 weeks out. Still lots of time. Trust me when I say there is a lot coming. But as to "when," you'll just have to be patient and wait and see. But there will be a pretty steady flow of information and promotion between now and then.
This feels like a leak and is not acceptable on this thread.
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We're still 8 weeks out. Still lots of time. Trust me when I say there is a lot coming. But as to "when," you'll just have to be patient and wait and see. But there will be a pretty steady flow of information and promotion between now and then.
This feels like a leak and is not acceptable on this thread.
Bosk - Shhhhh. You'll get banananananannn.
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We're still 8 weeks out. Still lots of time. Trust me when I say there is a lot coming. But as to "when," you'll just have to be patient and wait and see. But there will be a pretty steady flow of information and promotion between now and then.
This feels like a leak and is not acceptable on this thread.
Yeah, and don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Bosk. Your sad devotion to these ancient forum rules has not helped you conjure up the stolen BC&SL demo tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find Mike Portnoy's hidden fortr- [gets forced choked]
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We're still 8 weeks out. Still lots of time. Trust me when I say there is a lot coming. But as to "when," you'll just have to be patient and wait and see. But there will be a pretty steady flow of information and promotion between now and then.
This feels like a leak and is not acceptable on this thread.
Yeah, and don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Bosk. Your sad devotion to these ancient forum rules has not helped you conjure up the stolen BC&SL demo tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find Mike Portnoy's hidden fortr- [gets forced choked]
Didn't you hear? Portnoy's fortress was Shattered.
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We're still 8 weeks out. Still lots of time. Trust me when I say there is a lot coming. But as to "when," you'll just have to be patient and wait and see. But there will be a pretty steady flow of information and promotion between now and then.
This feels like a leak and is not acceptable on this thread.
Yeah, and don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Bosk. Your sad devotion to these ancient forum rules has not helped you conjure up the stolen BC&SL demo tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find Mike Portnoy's hidden fortr- [gets forced choked]
:vader: :clap:
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We're still 8 weeks out. Still lots of time. Trust me when I say there is a lot coming. But as to "when," you'll just have to be patient and wait and see. But there will be a pretty steady flow of information and promotion between now and then.
This feels like a leak and is not acceptable on this thread.
Yeah, and don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Bosk. Your sad devotion to these ancient forum rules has not helped you conjure up the stolen BC&SL demo tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find Mike Portnoy's hidden fortr- [gets forced choked]
:vader: :clap:
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We're still 8 weeks out. Still lots of time. Trust me when I say there is a lot coming. But as to "when," you'll just have to be patient and wait and see. But there will be a pretty steady flow of information and promotion between now and then.
This feels like a leak and is not acceptable on this thread.
Yeah, and don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Bosk. Your sad devotion to these ancient forum rules has not helped you conjure up the stolen BC&SL demo tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find Mike Portnoy's hidden fortr- [gets forced choked]
:rollin
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This page just made my day :rollin
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We're still 8 weeks out. Still lots of time. Trust me when I say there is a lot coming. But as to "when," you'll just have to be patient and wait and see. But there will be a pretty steady flow of information and promotion between now and then.
This feels like a leak and is not acceptable on this thread.
Yeah, and don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Bosk. Your sad devotion to these ancient forum rules has not helped you conjure up the stolen BC&SL demo tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find Mike Portnoy's hidden fortr- [gets forced choked]
:vader: :clap:
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I've been a little on edge about the lack of an album title and traditional DT cover artwork. Right now, I feel like this album has zero identity. The music and lyrics better be pretty kick-ass. I trust John Petrucci. He's never let us down. But I'm on edge about this one! Just venting.
At this point, it'd be more appropriate to say the album had zero gravity...
Ha!... I don't get it...
Hint: Space
I'm not following.
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We'll get the single... Soon.
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I've been a little on edge about the lack of an album title and traditional DT cover artwork. Right now, I feel like this album has zero identity. The music and lyrics better be pretty kick-ass. I trust John Petrucci. He's never let us down. But I'm on edge about this one! Just venting.
At this point, it'd be more appropriate to say the album had zero gravity...
Ha!... I don't get it...
Hint: Space
I'm not following.
Cover of the album
Zero gravity in space
This joke is completely dead.
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No. It never lived.
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I've been a little on edge about the lack of an album title and traditional DT cover artwork. Right now, I feel like this album has zero identity. The music and lyrics better be pretty kick-ass. I trust John Petrucci. He's never let us down. But I'm on edge about this one! Just venting.
At this point, it'd be more appropriate to say the album had zero gravity...
Ha!... I don't get it...
Hint: Space
I'm not following.
Cover of the album
Zero gravity in space
Go on.
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Seriously?
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The music and lyrics better be pretty kick-ass. I trust John Petrucci. He's never let us down. But I'm on edge about this one! Just venting.
Better be?
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....yes.
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The music and lyrics better be pretty kick-ass. I trust John Petrucci. He's never let us down. But I'm on edge about this one! Just venting.
Of course you should trust John Petrucci. He's never the type to write laughably bad lyrics or anything.
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:lol
I suppose we're getting somewhat close to the album, but a single being released very soon would be surprising to me. Though, I haven't really looked at their summer tour schedule with festivals and such coming up.
Single will be released in.. 3-5 ish weeks. Yay predictions.
Looking forward to it. :metal
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They're not touring until 2014.
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I don't care anymore.
I'm going to rob RR.
It was nice being here, DTF, see you in jail.
DT12 stolen copy, HERE I COME.
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:lol
I suppose we're getting somewhat close to the album, but a single being released very soon would be surprising to me. Though, I haven't really looked at their summer tour schedule with festivals and such coming up.
Single will be released in.. 3-5 ish weeks. Yay predictions.
Looking forward to it. :metal
I have the impression (for some reason) that they're not playing any shows until after the album is released. Although, I can't remember if that was said somewhere, or if I've just made it up.
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I have the impression (for some reason) that they're not playing any shows until after the album is released. Although, I can't remember if that was said somewhere, or if I've just made it up.
Well, considering that they've only SCHEDULED shows for January 2014, I think that's a fairly safe assumption.
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I have the impression (for some reason) that they're not playing any shows until after the album is released. Although, I can't remember if that was said somewhere, or if I've just made it up.
Well, considering that they've only SCHEDULED shows for January 2014, I think that's a fairly safe assumption.
I don't read the schedules, though. :lol So my opinion was mostly conjecture, even of it turned out to be correct. :P
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Either way, bottom line is that one can't look at their summer tour schedule, because there's nothing to look at.
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From Mangini's FB: A new drum kit, as well as a revamping of one of the kits from last tour are in the works for 2014. It really is a huge amount of planning and trial and error, but worth it. Easy stuff compared to not having the support and incredibly friendly and helpful people at Pearl to step it up again and again. By just digging in with hard work, all aspects of everything just keep getting better. It is nice to smell the roses every now and then. The feeling will be carried to the stage.
I fucking love his enthusiastic positive attitude!
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Tuesday seems to be a day for things recently. Single tomorrow?
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Tuesday seems to be a day for things recently. Single tomorrow?
Well, let's all just project that energy out there, and maybe it'll manifest into reality.
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Some people say that tomorrow won't be the day for the single 'cause there has not been an announcement. However, roadrunner release written and audio news on tuesdays. It might happen. But it may also occur on thursday august 1st and open the doors to preorders. Who knows...the painful wait continues...
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I think tomorrow sounds early but who knows?
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I don't care anymore.
I'm going to rob RR.
It was nice being here, DTF, see you in jail.
DT12 stolen copy, HERE I COME.
Just remember not to talk about the leak here when you get out. :police:
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SOON...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6KOX31PtN8
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SOON...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6KOX31PtN8
8/10, would check link again
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Jeez, you guys.
Be patient. Like bosky said, all kinds of coolness is coming.
Dare I say it?
SOON.
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Tomorrow would be perfect to release DT12. Just saying...
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Cool things are coming? Are they similar to the In studio videos? I better go to sleep and wake up on september 24th :)
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When will then be now?
SOON.
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When will then be now?
SOON.
:lol :tup
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SOON...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6KOX31PtN8
Please don't do that. Seriously.
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Any speculation if James will play some shows for his solo stuff before January? Seems like a good time to sneak in some shows. If memory serves me correctly, the (unfortunately) cancelled Static Impulse tour was Nov/Dec 2010, just prior to the recording of ADTOE.
Apologies if this is off-topic, although perhaps some momentary distraction could be helpful in this thread.
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Meh Matt Guillery stated in the Impermanent Res. thread that they wouldnt tour until "the dt machine dies down " (meaning afyer dt tours?)
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oh, false allarm, they're from James' new record. :facepalm:
It's actually from one of his older albums, Elements of Persuasion (Myung'd by Zydar). It's worth checking out if you're into the more straight up metal. :tup
:facepalm: :facepalm:
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oh, false allarm, they're from James' new record. :facepalm:
It's actually from one of his older albums, Elements of Persuasion (Myung'd by Zydar). It's worth checking out if you're into the more straight up metal. :tup
:facepalm: :facepalm:
20+ Minute song: check
Bunch of shorter songs: check
Elements of persuasion as "leak": check
:facepalm: i am on an alternative reality and DT12 is going to be Octavarium, what am i waiting for? run, go get DT8! :biggrin:
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I don't care anymore.
I'm going to rob RR.
It was nice being here, DTF, see you in jail.
DT12 stolen copy, HERE I COME.
Just remember not to talk about the leak here when you get out. :police:
State laws? Eh.
DTF rules? SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS.
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I don't care anymore.
I'm going to rob RR.
It was nice being here, DTF, see you in jail.
DT12 stolen copy, HERE I COME.
Just remember not to talk about the leak here when you get out. :police:
State laws? Eh.
DTF rules? SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS.
Isn't DTF legally already the 51st state of the union? :lol
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Honestly, my excitement level is not as high as a month ago. They went too far with the await of the single/infos and other stuff.
On the other side I think that my hype level will brutally increase again after the release of the single. We'll see.
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I don't care anymore.
I'm going to rob RR.
It was nice being here, DTF, see you in jail.
DT12 stolen copy, HERE I COME.
Just remember not to talk about the leak here when you get out. :police:
State laws? Eh.
DTF rules? SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS.
Isn't DTF legally already the 51st state of the union? :lol
DTF is the world's seventh largest economy.
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Tuesday seems to be a day for things recently. Single tomorrow?
We will get announcement for single date and probably announcement for announcement for single. :soon:
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For the record, unless the situation changes dramatically, there will be no DT tour dates this year.
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Does anyone know how many Studio episodes they´re going to release? isn´t a bit obvious that the last episode is going to end with a release date of the new single? Kinda like they did with the drum audition videos :corn
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The third studio video was referred to as the final one when it was made available.
Greetings...
Nef
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Thanks for the tip.
rumborak
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The third studio video was referred to as the final one when it was made available.
Greetings...
Nef
It was? Where?
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They went too far with the await of the single/infos and other stuff.
wut
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They went too far with the await of the single/infos and other stuff.
wut
I meant that too much time has passed since the first announcement. I'm a bit pissed and tired of waiting for the single...
I'm sorry for being not that plain but my english is a little rusty, unfortunately.
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(https://m.memegen.com/pa4i2y.jpg)
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Why be pissed? It's like the anticipation before having sex with someone. Get your juices ready for DT! :lol
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I meant that too much time has passed since the first announcement. I'm a bit pissed and tired of waiting for the single...
I'm sorry for being not that plain but my english is a little rusty, unfortunately.
Sorry for making you feel like you need to apologize, just having a bit of fun ;D
And as for me, the only time my english slips is when I'm in front of a keyboard. And it's my first language. So, the solution is simple: I turn around and type backwards :facepalm:
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It's really interesting to see how many posts with "single/announcement tomorrow" there are every day :facepalm:
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Prediction !!!!!!!!
I predict that this is their first album since Train of Thought.......
... to be released with a "3" in the year ;D ;D
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I wonder why Roadrunner doesn't even provide us with some kinda "timeline/timetable" stating when what is going to be released in order to adjust to this frustrating situation a bit........ :/
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Because no record label ever did that (to my knowledge :blush)?
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Because no record label ever did that (to my knowledge :blush)?
You are probably right...but they could announce at least ANYTHING :P
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I wonder why Roadrunner doesn't even provide us with some kinda "timeline/timetable" stating when what is going to be released in order to adjust to this frustrating situation a bit........ :/
Something like this? https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20180323T144141&p0=179&msg=Dream+Theater+new+single#
:P :corn
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Does anyone know how many Studio episodes they´re going to release? isn´t a bit obvious that the last episode is going to end with a release date of the new single? Kinda like they did with the drum audition videos :corn
I'm guessing 4.
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I wonder why Roadrunner doesn't even provide us with some kinda "timeline/timetable" stating when what is going to be released in order to adjust to this frustrating situation a bit........ :/
Something like this? https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20180323T144141&p0=179&msg=Dream+Theater+new+single#
:P :corn
Haha, yes, exactly ^^
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I'm actually not impatient yet. . This thread is :lol...
But the thing that got a bit annoying was the gap between the 1st and 2nd studio video and the 3rd... They had them all ready to go and just threw them out willy nilly.
Over a month for the first one and a bout a week for the second one ?
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I'm actually not impatient yet. . This thread is :lol...
But the thing that got a bit annoying was the gap between the 1st and 2nd studio video and the 3rd... They had them all ready to go and just thre them out willy nilly.
Over a month for the first one and a bout a week for the second one ?
That was indeed kinda strange...
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I'm actually not impatient yet. . This thread is :lol...
But the thing that got a bit annoying was the gap between the 1st and 2nd studio video and the 3rd... They had them all ready to go and just thre them out willy nilly.
Over a month for the first one and a bout a week for the second one ?
That was indeed kinda strange...
Remember that Mike Portnoy is not around anymore to centralize and control all the process, ease the fans, talk to the press...
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I think it was like that because 2 and 3 leaked and many people already saw them, so they just wanted to get them out there.
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I think it was like that because 2 and 3 leaked and many people already saw them, so they just wanted to get them out there.
That's possible as well...!
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(https://img854.imageshack.us/img854/2823/xwkf.jpg)
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If they could at least tell us the title lengths..or just the total album length.....does anyone know when they did so with ADTOE?
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That info is already out there (though by unoffical means).
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That info is already out there (though by unoffical means).
Not official and not sure.....
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Since they put out promo copies and don't any NDAs for that information about the album getting it, its about as offical as it can be before RR or retailers put it up.
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The third studio video was referred to as the final one when it was made available.
It was? Where?
My bad! I was dead sure I've read something like "third and final episode" when the link was posted. I rechecked and it's nowhere.
Most likely something like "finally the third episode" got stuck in my mind and morphed into "final".
Sorry if I squashed someone's hopes for more episodes. :tdwn
Then again, be grateful. It seems like there's more episodes to come! :tup
Greetings...
Nef
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The third studio video was referred to as the final one when it was made available.
It was? Where?
My bad! I was dead sure I've read something like "third and final episode" when the link was posted. I rechecked and it's nowhere.
Most likely something like "finally the third episode" got stuck in my mind and morphed into "final".
Sorry if I squashed someone's hopes for more episodes. :tdwn
Then again, be grateful. It seems like there's more episodes to come! :tup
Greetings...
Nef
I don't think there are going to be any more episodes:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36530.msg1624144#msg1624144
Bosk says "all three"
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The third studio video was referred to as the final one when it was made available.
It was? Where?
My bad! I was dead sure I've read something like "third and final episode" when the link was posted. I rechecked and it's nowhere.
Most likely something like "finally the third episode" got stuck in my mind and morphed into "final".
Sorry if I squashed someone's hopes for more episodes. :tdwn
Then again, be grateful. It seems like there's more episodes to come! :tup
Greetings...
Nef
I don't think there are going to be any more episodes:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36530.msg1624144#msg1624144
Bosk says "all three"
Maybe he meant...all three..that we have got so far
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If they could at least tell us the title lengths..or just the total album length.....does anyone know when they did so with ADTOE?
I don't believe they did with any album. It's pretty trivial information to release. I think they should release it with the tracklist, personally, but it's not something they announce on its own. If you need more official confirmation, wait until it appears on sites like Amazon or iTunes etc, I guess.
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You are probably right...but they could announce at least ANYTHING :P
We've gotten quite a lot of information already. Most bands don't do studio videos and stuff like that.
Remember that Mike Portnoy is not around anymore to centralize and control all the process, ease the fans, talk to the press...
Don't you think that after three years it's finally time to stop the "everything was better when MP was in the band" worship shit?!?
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Time for a condescending JP meme:
(https://i.imgur.com/np4ssfA.jpg)
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If they could at least tell us the title lengths..or just the total album length.....does anyone know when they did so with ADTOE?
I don't believe they did with any album. It's pretty trivial information to release. I think they should release it with the tracklist, personally, but it's not something they announce on its own. If you need more official confirmation, wait until it appears on sites like Amazon or iTunes etc, I guess.
Hmm..what was the process with ADTOE? Did it just suddenly appear at iTunes?
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I don't think there are going to be any more episodes:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36530.msg1624144#msg1624144
Bosk says "all three"
Maybe he meant...all three..that we have got so far
Well, after all, as we know... he works in mysterious ways. :P
But thanks for finding the very line that originally convinced me it was the last one!
Greetings...
Nef
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If they could at least tell us the title lengths..or just the total album length.....does anyone know when they did so with ADTOE?
I don't believe they did with any album. It's pretty trivial information to release. I think they should release it with the tracklist, personally, but it's not something they announce on its own. If you need more official confirmation, wait until it appears on sites like Amazon or iTunes etc, I guess.
Hmm..what was the process with ADTOE? Did it just suddenly appear at iTunes?
I'm actually not sure, as I don't remember it being a point of discussion as it has been this time. But I don't recall track lengths being part of any official announcements. Hopefully somebody else can confirm/deny that.
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If 3 was the final episode there really isn't much left to announce...
-announcement of a single release
-actual single release possibly with video
-info on special editions/packages
Can't really think of anything else unless there is a full blown promo video of some kind.
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For clarification: I never meant to convey that 3 was the "final" episode.
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For clarification: I never meant to convey that 3 was the "final" episode.
For clarification: does your stating that your not meaning to convey that in and of itself convey or imply anything, or are you simply being precise?
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For clarification: I never meant to convey that 3 was the "final" episode.
For clarification: does your stating that your not meaning to convey that in and of itself convey or imply anything, or are you simply being precise?
*Wait's for bosk1 to school him in lawyer speak*
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I am just imprecisely stating precisely what I mean.
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I am just imprecisely stating precisely what I mean.
<GandalfVoice>A moderator is never imprecise, he says precisely what he means to!</GandalfVoice> ;D
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I am just imprecisely stating precisely what I mean.
"Imprecisely" has 11 letters in it. Bosk has "1" in his name. 11+1+12. DT12!!
NUGGETZ!!!!!
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Well it's nearly 4PM here and that's the usual time when announcements are made. Seems today may be a news-less Tuesday.
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It doesn't matter what time a single is released, it will seem like 6 o clock on a Christmas morning for all of us, I'm sure.
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
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It doesn't matter what time a single is released, it will seem like 6 o clock on a Christmas morning for all of us, I'm sure.
:rollin :lol :rollin :lol
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
Why would that be a worry? Length =/= quality.
Or so I've been told...
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
Why would that be a worry? Length =/= quality.
Or so I've been told...
Sure, that's what they say to make you feel better.
You can always buy a massive pick-up truck to compensate.
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
Why would that be a worry? Length =/= quality.
Or so I've been told...
inb4 penis jokes
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I wouldn't care if they released an album of ten 5 minute songs.
If they were 10 amazing songs.
inb4 penis jokes
It's like you read my mind.... :omg:
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Wow, some of you guys are really antsy. Get your shit together, everything will be fine.
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Wow, some of you guys are really antsy. Get your shit together, everything will be fine.
:yarr
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In my experience, bands rarely release the track lengths in advance and it's often up to you to find them at some web store.
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Wow, some of you guys are really antsy. Get your shit together, everything will be fine.
Amen brotha.
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Tuesdays with no DT-related news do not deserve to exist.
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Tuesdays with no DT-related news do not deserve to exist.
Maybe they don't exist... Today is not happening.
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Thanks for the tip.
rumborak
This post needs to be acknowledged.
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Tuesdays with no DT-related news do not deserve to exist.
Maybe they don't exist... Today is not happening.
This is not reality....
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I predict that there won't be anything...not a snippet, not a single, probably not even an album at all -.-
Yes, the album is gonna be so heavy it'll form a black hole and disappear....
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Thanks for the tip.
rumborak
This post needs to be acknowledged.
Sure it does. :)
norbert88 :)
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Tuesdays with no DT-related news do not deserve to exist.
Maybe they don't exist... Today is not happening.
This is not reality....
Just pretend...
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We gotta keep the faith. DT's religión :)
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
Why would that be a worry? Length =/= quality.
Or so I've been told...
Maybe not, but reasonably speaking, you'd need at least 7 minutes to be able to fit a couple verses and choruses, plus a typical length of a DT instrumental section into a song. So if a song is only 5 minutes, chances are, it's going to be lacking that long, awesome instrumental section that I'm looking forward to.
Besides, with Dream Theater, everything is pretty much assured anyway.
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https://www.terrorizer.com/news/streams/annihilator-stream-new-song-deadlock-for-24-hours-only/ --> I think that this is just a great idea to promote..maybe DT should employ that kinda tactic..
(Hopefully posting this link isn't against any rules...)
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After the Grammy nomination, I don't expect many long songs in the album. Maybe two or three, tops. I think they will be going more commercial in this one!
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20 minute song........ commercial?
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I don't think DT cares too much about winning Grammy awards. I mean, I'm sure it was cool for them to be nominated, but I doubt they're going to tailor a whole album just to try to win one. Of course, that fact does not mean that this album won't have mostly shorter songs, in fact I think it has been confirmed that it will, but their decision to write more short songs most likely has nothing to do with the Grammy nomination.
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
Why would that be a worry? Length =/= quality.
Or so I've been told...
Maybe not, but reasonably speaking, you'd need at least 7 minutes to be able to fit a couple verses and choruses, plus a typical length of a DT instrumental section into a song. So if a song is only 5 minutes, chances are, it's going to be lacking that long, awesome instrumental section that I'm looking forward to.
Besides, with Dream Theater, everything is pretty much assured anyway.
You're right, in a 5 minute song chances are there will not be a LONG instrumental section. More than likely, the "instrumental section" might be a guitar solo in those shorter tunes. Personally, I agree with you, I look forward to those "classic" long sections as well, but some don't like the long, sometimes called "wanky" DT style sections.
I guess at the end of the day, it should be whatever suits the song. I have confidence that DT hopefully composed sections that would suit the song and add to the overall atmosphere of the tune.
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After the Grammy nomination, I don't expect many long songs in the album. Maybe two or three, tops. I think they will be going more commercial in this one!
I highly doubt it. I'm sure DT appreciated the Grammy nomination, but obviously getting Grammy nominations hasn't suddenly become their sole reason to make music. I'm sure they've still kept to what felt most natural, and what moved them, and what they wanted to write. Which could very well end up being shorter and more commercial, but the Grammy nomination wouldn't have any influence on that.
EDIT: Yeah.. Pretty much what 425 said.
You're right, in a 5 minute song chances are there will not be a LONG instrumental section. More than likely, the "instrumental section" might be a guitar solo in those shorter tunes. Personally, I agree with you, I look forward to those "classic" long sections as well, but some don't like the long, sometimes called "wanky" DT style sections.
Well, screw the haters. "Wankery" is one of the best things about DT, and I'm looking forward to more of it on the new album, hopefully.
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
Why would that be a worry? Length =/= quality.
Or so I've been told...
Maybe not, but reasonably speaking, you'd need at least 7 minutes to be able to fit a couple verses and choruses, plus a typical length of a DT instrumental section into a song. So if a song is only 5 minutes, chances are, it's going to be lacking that long, awesome instrumental section that I'm looking forward to.
Besides, with Dream Theater, everything is pretty much assured anyway.
:lol I have to disagree here.
While I enjoy great long and proggy songs, I don't think that a song needs to be at least 7 minutes long to be fulfilling, nor do DT need to have a lengthy instrumental section in every single song on the album for them to be great. If there's a 5 minute long song on the album, or hell even a 4 minute long song, the focus shouldn't be on whether or not there's a massive instrumental section. Just focus on whether or not the actual song itself is great.
While they're nowhere near as great of a band as Dream Theater, DragonForce really comes to mind when I see these sorts of comments. Up until their most recent album, DF had a formula of releasing albums filled with 6+ minute long 'epics' that had massive instrumental sections and had one or two five minute long power ballads to "balance it out".
It actually worked pretty well for the first two albums, but by the time of their fourth album, it just got boring as hell and it really played a part in their reputation of just playing guitar shredding wankery. They ended up writing a lot of 3-5 minute long songs on their most recent album with only one or two 6+ minute long songs, and it actually did wonders for them. It's still by the numbers power metal, but it resulted in better quality songs.
Again, Dream Theater is a much better band than DragonForce, and they do a much better job in handling their longer songs. But I don't think they should ever feel required to make every song on their album at least 6 or 7 minutes long. And this is coming from someone whose favorite DT album is 6DoIT, which is filled to the brim with lengthy and proggy as hell songs.
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My only issue with the shorter songs on the past few records is that they seem deliberately short. Maybe for radio, maybe not. But structure and feel wise, they seem very manufactured. (Wither, Prophets of War, Forsaken, This is the Life)
I miss the days of shorter songs like Surrounded, Another Day, Caught in a Web, The Mirror etc....where the shorter tunes felt more organic
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The Mirror is short?
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:lol I have to disagree here.
While I enjoy great long and proggy songs, I don't think that a song needs to be at least 7 minutes long to be fulfilling, nor do DT need to have a lengthy instrumental section in every single song on the album for them to be great. If there's a 5 minute long song on the album, or hell even a 4 minute long song, the focus shouldn't be on whether or not there's a massive instrumental section. Just focus on whether or not the actual song itself is great.
Yeah, but notice you said, 'a 5 minute long song'. Yes, that's totally fine. Wither was great, Forsaken was amazing, Hollow Years is awesome. But if EVERY song on the album (let's say, aside from the one 20 minute epic) was 5 minutes long, I think the album would be missing some dynamics. Sometimes it's not even the long epics that are the most memorable on the album, it's the slightly shorter, but still long songs, such as Endless Sacrifice or Lines In The Sand, or Outcry.
One of the coolest things about albums like Octavarium, SFAM and Awake is how every song is a completely different 'type' of song, with different lengths and different aspects dominating them.
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Well, screw the haters. "Wankery" is one of the best things about DT, and I'm looking forward to more of it on the new album, hopefully.
Haha! I tend to agree! I wouldn't call it "wankery", I love those long passages filled with complex, technical playing! But some don't care for it...
:lol I have to disagree here.
While I enjoy great long and proggy songs, I don't think that a song needs to be at least 7 minutes long to be fulfilling, nor do DT need to have a lengthy instrumental section in every single song on the album for them to be great. If there's a 5 minute long song on the album, or hell even a 4 minute long song, the focus shouldn't be on whether or not there's a massive instrumental section. Just focus on whether or not the actual song itself is great.
While they're nowhere near as great of a band as Dream Theater, DragonForce really comes to mind when I see these sorts of comments. Up until their most recent album, DF had a formula of releasing albums filled with 6+ minute long 'epics' that had massive instrumental sections and had one or two five minute long power ballads to "balance it out".
It actually worked pretty well for the first two albums, but by the time of their fourth album, it just got boring as hell and it really played a part in their reputation of just playing guitar shredding wankery. They ended up writing a lot of 3-5 minute long songs on their most recent album with only one or two 6+ minute long songs, and it actually did wonders for them. It's still by the numbers power metal, but it resulted in better quality songs.
Again, Dream Theater is a much better band than DragonForce, and they do a much better job in handling their longer songs. But I don't think they should ever feel required to make every song on their album at least 6 or 7 minutes long. And this is coming from someone whose favorite DT album is 6DoIT, which is filled to the brim with lengthy and proggy as hell songs.
Yeah, interesting points there. I agree that a song doesn't need to be 7+ minutes to be fulfilling, look at a band like Protest the Hero, who I don't follow extremely close but have listened to here and there. They manage to have very complex arrangements with a lot of complex, interesting instrumentation occurring while keeping most of their songs (that I know of at least) under 5 or 6 minutes. And thats without many "guitar solos" (once again based on what I have heard, which isn't there entire catalog)
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
No they didn't actually there was even a thread about possible song lengths for BC&SL and many people thought that Wither will be dark 10 minute song and The Best Of Times will be short ballad...
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Well, screw the haters. "Wankery" is one of the best things about DT, and I'm looking forward to more of it on the new album, hopefully.
Haha! I tend to agree! I wouldn't call it "wankery", I love those long passages filled with complex, technical playing! But some don't care for it...
I wouldn't call it Wankery either, but it doesn't matter what people call it, it's still awesome. :metal
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Well, screw the haters. "Wankery" is one of the best things about DT, and I'm looking forward to more of it on the new album, hopefully.
Haha! I tend to agree! I wouldn't call it "wankery", I love those long passages filled with complex, technical playing! But some don't care for it...
I wouldn't call it Wankery either, but it doesn't matter what people call it, it's still awesome. :metal
Agreed. I like being reminded of how I am a mere puny mortal compared to the gods of DT.
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The Mirror is short?
I consider it to be yeah. Any DT song under 7ish minutes is one of their shorter ones to me
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My only issue with the shorter songs on the past few records is that they seem deliberately short. Maybe for radio, maybe not. But structure and feel wise, they seem very manufactured. (Wither, Prophets of War, Forsaken, This is the Life)
I miss the days of shorter songs like Surrounded, Another Day, Caught in a Web, The Mirror etc....where the shorter tunes felt more organic
I don't feel that way about This is the Life at all...In fact that stands out to me as one of their most well-written ballad-like songs...ever. Almost. Actually, I don't feel like any of those 4 feel manufactured except Wither (goes along with many other sentiments I have toward BC&SL). And I still enjoy that song. Prophets of War is the perfect length for what it is: Queen-vox/dance-drums/catchy-guitar accessible song! :D
Ok...that might be the worst description of any DT song ever.
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The Mirror is short?
I consider it to be yeah. Any DT song under 7ish minutes is one of their shorter ones to me
Yeah its under 7 minutes but for me personally it doesn't feel like its short, it definitely feels like it has time to develop and move organically...
If some of the "shorter" tracks on DT12 are similar to The Mirror in that regard I'd be happy for sure!
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
Why would that be a worry? Length =/= quality.
Or so I've been told...
Maybe not, but reasonably speaking, you'd need at least 7 minutes to be able to fit a couple verses and choruses, plus a typical length of a DT instrumental section into a song. So if a song is only 5 minutes, chances are, it's going to be lacking that long, awesome instrumental section that I'm looking forward to.
Besides, with Dream Theater, everything is pretty much assured anyway.
You're right, in a 5 minute song chances are there will not be a LONG instrumental section. More than likely, the "instrumental section" might be a guitar solo in those shorter tunes. Personally, I agree with you, I look forward to those "classic" long sections as well, but some don't like the long, sometimes called "wanky" DT style sections.
I guess at the end of the day, it should be whatever suits the song. I have confidence that DT hopefully composed sections that would suit the song and add to the overall atmosphere of the tune.
I agree... to an extent.
But there's shorter songs out there which feature cool instrumental sections which run thereabouts 5 minutes.
Some examples: Afterlife, Another Day, Surrounded, Innocence Faded.
Although like you said it seems to need to be between 7 and 10 mins to get to a perfect song level!
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You guys think that the reason we haven't gotten a lot of info on the new DT album is because of James new album?
You know letting him get all his press stuff done and out of the way so DT12 doesn't over shadow it.
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
Look as though they just released the artwork and track names at the same time.
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2268614&high=black+clouds (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2268614&high=black+clouds)
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
Why would that be a worry? Length =/= quality.
Or so I've been told...
Maybe not, but reasonably speaking, you'd need at least 7 minutes to be able to fit a couple verses and choruses, plus a typical length of a DT instrumental section into a song. So if a song is only 5 minutes, chances are, it's going to be lacking that long, awesome instrumental section that I'm looking forward to.
Besides, with Dream Theater, everything is pretty much assured anyway.
You're right, in a 5 minute song chances are there will not be a LONG instrumental section. More than likely, the "instrumental section" might be a guitar solo in those shorter tunes. Personally, I agree with you, I look forward to those "classic" long sections as well, but some don't like the long, sometimes called "wanky" DT style sections.
I guess at the end of the day, it should be whatever suits the song. I have confidence that DT hopefully composed sections that would suit the song and add to the overall atmosphere of the tune.
I agree... to an extent.
But there's shorter songs out there which feature cool instrumental sections which run thereabouts 5 minutes.
Some examples: Afterlife, Another Day, Surrounded, Innocence Faded.
Although like you said it seems to need to be between 7 and 10 mins to get to a perfect song level!
Sure you are absolutely right! Those tunes are great examples as well.
But, take notice those are all older songs from DT's catalog. It seems like in more recent years DT songs tend to be one or the other. Either they have longer structures with more complex involved instrumental sections or they are shorter more to the point with just a guitar solo serving as the instrumental section if even that. It seems that the trend in their more recent output doesn't reflect that style of complex, unique instrumental sections where the band is really shining as a unit in shorter format tunes.
Of course there are certainly exceptions to this rule, but in general this is the trend I have been seeing in more recent releases.
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Hahaha funny seeing the reactions towards the cover art.
"I might be wrong, but if the artwork is any indication, im thinking OLD SCHOOL Dream Theater!!!!, freaking awesome!"
Wrong! haha
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So on another note, will there be an announcement today?
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No.
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Hahaha funny seeing the reactions towards the cover art.
"I might be wrong, but if the artwork is any indication, im thinking OLD SCHOOL Dream Theater!!!!, freaking awesome!"
Wrong! haha
Although I do hope the music will make me feel the same way old school DT music did. You know, wet in the pants, and mind blown.
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So on another note, will there be an announcement today?
No, there will be an announcement soon.
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So on another note, will there be an announcement today?
No, there will be an announcement soon.
I already know what it is. The announcement is that there will be some news soon.
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So on another note, will there be an announcement today?
No, there will be an announcement soon.
I already know what it is. The announcement is that there will be some news soon.
YOU WITCH :omg:
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
Why would that be a worry? Length =/= quality.
Or so I've been told...
Maybe not, but reasonably speaking, you'd need at least 7 minutes to be able to fit a couple verses and choruses, plus a typical length of a DT instrumental section into a song. So if a song is only 5 minutes, chances are, it's going to be lacking that long, awesome instrumental section that I'm looking forward to.
Besides, with Dream Theater, everything is pretty much assured anyway.
You're right, in a 5 minute song chances are there will not be a LONG instrumental section. More than likely, the "instrumental section" might be a guitar solo in those shorter tunes. Personally, I agree with you, I look forward to those "classic" long sections as well, but some don't like the long, sometimes called "wanky" DT style sections.
I guess at the end of the day, it should be whatever suits the song. I have confidence that DT hopefully composed sections that would suit the song and add to the overall atmosphere of the tune.
I agree... to an extent.
But there's shorter songs out there which feature cool instrumental sections which run thereabouts 5 minutes.
Some examples: Afterlife, Another Day, Surrounded, Innocence Faded.
Although like you said it seems to need to be between 7 and 10 mins to get to a perfect song level!
Sure you are absolutely right! Those tunes are great examples as well.
But, take notice those are all older songs from DT's catalog. It seems like in more recent years DT songs tend to be one or the other. Either they have longer structures with more complex involved instrumental sections or they are shorter more to the point with just a guitar solo serving as the instrumental section if even that. It seems that the trend in their more recent output doesn't reflect that style of complex, unique instrumental sections where the band is really shining as a unit in shorter format tunes.
Of course there are certainly exceptions to this rule, but in general this is the trend I have been seeing in more recent releases.
Holy quote pyramid! And I'm adding to it so.... :marriageanalogy:
I like the length of all DT songs, if the song is worth the time invested in it. I like the wankery, and the concise sections equally. The length of the song certainly doesn't equate to the quality of the song. Sometimes the longer songs are pretty unwarranted. To me, Finally Free could have been cut in half and been a much better song. I realize it was the end of the story, but the actual song portion of the song dragged much too long. While songs like 8VM and LTL are amazing throughout and warrant the length.
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Hahaha funny seeing the reactions towards the cover art.
"I might be wrong, but if the artwork is any indication, im thinking OLD SCHOOL Dream Theater!!!!, freaking awesome!"
Wrong! haha
Although I do hope the music will make me feel the same way old school DT music did. You know, wet in the pants, and mind blown.
Sorry, I forgot to quote. I was referring to the link from MP's forum someone posted about the release of BCSL.
As for the DT12, I do have that same hope! ;D
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I'm not concerned about short songs.. for that instance here are some examples (even tho part of a suite, I really consider them songs by themselves)
The Test That Stumped Them All – 5:03
Solitary Shell – 5:47
Both cover different styles, both have fulfilling "wankery" for the fans, and they in the context of the album (in this case the bigger suite song) they fit pretty well.
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You should drop the quote pyramids, they aren't well received 'round these parts.
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I know, that's why :marriageanalogy: :lol
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Hahaha funny seeing the reactions towards the cover art.
"I might be wrong, but if the artwork is any indication, im thinking OLD SCHOOL Dream Theater!!!!, freaking awesome!"
Wrong! haha
Although I do hope the music will make me feel the same way old school DT music did. You know, wet in the pants, and mind blown.
Sorry, I forgot to quote. I was referring to the link from MP's forum someone posted about the release of BCSL.
As for the DT12, I do have that same hope! ;D
Oh, LOL. Okay, now it's funny.
EDIT: Also, what's with all the people commenting about ejaculation? I mean, the two Album cycled that I've been in THIS forum, I don't recall anyone commenting in THAT way. Was that a 2009 thing? Or is that just an MP "Suck My Ass and Balls" crowd?
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Bloody hell, I really need that single soon..
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Bloody hell. It's on it's way.. Just chill out...
::)
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Bloody hell. It's on it's way.. Just chill out...
::)
Don't say it's on its way, people here will read that as "in an hour" or, "tomorrow".
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It'll be out before September 24th.
Enjoy the summer.
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August shall bring good winds!
After all, you know what august means, don't ya?
From Latin augur, a religious official in ancient Rome who foretold events by interpreting omens, perhaps originally meaning "an increase in crops enacted in ritual"... Shit! I really need to get some sleep!
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August shall bring good winds!
After all, you know what august means, don't ya?
From Latin augur, a religious official in ancient Rome who foretold events by interpreting omens, perhaps originally meaning "an increase in crops enacted in ritual"... Shit! I really need to get some sleep!
I thought the month was named after emperor Octavian Augustus like July is named after Julius Caesar. :justjen
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I thought the month was named after emperor Octavarium Augustus like July is named after Julius Caesar. :justjen
FTFY
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This thread :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Hahaha funny seeing the reactions towards the cover art.
"I might be wrong, but if the artwork is any indication, im thinking OLD SCHOOL Dream Theater!!!!, freaking awesome!"
Wrong! haha
Although I do hope the music will make me feel the same way old school DT music did. You know, wet in the pants, and mind blown.
Sorry, I forgot to quote. I was referring to the link from MP's forum someone posted about the release of BCSL.
As for the DT12, I do have that same hope! ;D
Oh, LOL. Okay, now it's funny.
EDIT: Also, what's with all the people commenting about ejaculation? I mean, the two Album cycled that I've been in THIS forum, I don't recall anyone commenting in THAT way. Was that a 2009 thing? Or is that just an MP "Suck My Ass and Balls" crowd?
hahaha people got a little too much excited. Those guys should look for a doctor or maybe the content of the album was enough to calm them down for some time. haha
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I think most people on that forum were just immature.
:yeahright
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August shall bring good winds!
After all, you know what august means, don't ya?
From Latin augur, a religious official in ancient Rome who foretold events by interpreting omens, perhaps originally meaning "an increase in crops enacted in ritual"... Shit! I really need to get some sleep!
I thought the month was named after emperor Octavian Augustus like July is named after Julius Caesar. :justjen
Now you know why Augustus got that name!
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Yes, it's named after Augustus. NB, Octavianus wasn't part of his name when he became emperor - that was part of the political point he was trying to make.
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This is like the good ole mighty Octavarium forum in one thread.
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Wait a sec. Missed one week, 50 pages or so. Anyone care to summarize? I've seen the cover art and track listing, surely there must be some news in 100 pages of discussion? :lol
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Erm.....
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I've seen the cover art and track listing, surely there must be some news in 100 pages of discussion? :lol
No, there isn't. And don't call me Shirley.
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Wait a sec. Missed one week, 50 pages or so. Anyone care to summarize? I've seen the cover art and track listing, surely there must be some news in 100 pages of discussion? :lol
So you've seen the third studio video already? In that case there isn't anything new, except that we probably know the track lengths now, although they haven't been confirmed by an official source.
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:lol Thought so, love you guys. Just watched the third studio clip, great stuff. I'm all up for speculating again.
I like the idea of them writing there own opener, like an overture, maybe even less full-band than the six degrees overture. I'm excited to hear what (mainly) Jordan came up with.
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This thread.
it's like a fever dream.... almost maddening. It's the same thing over and over again. Where is the single? calm down, it's coming! only 75 minutes? shorter songs longer songs....
Don't get me wrong, I think this comes with the territory of a dream theater release. I dunno maybe I feel like I'm going mad going through the pages upon new pages of this thread hoping for some insight, news, reviews, releases etc. only to read the same shit over and over again... HUNDREDS OF PAGES! :rollin GAHH!
I will throw this spanner in the mix: This album is supposedly meant to be "heavier". if BMUBMD or Outcry or any of the 7-string-esque metal stuff on the last couple of albums are anything to go by... it can be said that JP doesn't come up with the best metal riffs these days. The metal parts just don't hold up with what other modern metal bands are doing (progressive, djent, hardcore, deathcore, post-rock, whatever the kids are listening to these days consarnit!). It would have been cool if JP experimented with some outside-the-box metal tones or even had a crack at some 8-string stuff... but I digress...
The point is is that I feel like the 'metal' appeal of their musical style is decaying, and I am expecting to be underwhelmed/dissapointed by this release to be honest.
Sorry to be a downer... just my thoughts.
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I will throw this spanner in the mix: This album is supposedly meant to be "heavier". if BMUBMD or Outcry or any of the 7-string-esque metal stuff on the last couple of albums are anything to go by... it can be said that JP doesn't come up with the best metal riffs these days.
For songs off of ADTOE I know for me personally, the production stifled my ability to enjoy some of those "heavier" riffs fully. For me, it wasn't always that the riff wasn't great, it was the way it ended up coming across in the final mix of everything.
I am a firm believer that drum grooves make good "heavy" riffs better, so when the drum sound is slightly lacking, for me, the riff suffers. I still find JP to be an incredible riff writer, including the "heavier stuff".
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Wait a sec. Missed one week, 50 pages or so. Anyone care to summarize? I've seen the cover art and track listing, surely there must be some news in 100 pages of discussion? :lol
Not sure why I didn't think to do this earlier, but I edited the initial post in this thread to remind people that all OFFICIAL information, as it comes out, is summarized here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36530.0
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I will throw this spanner in the mix: This album is supposedly meant to be "heavier". if BMUBMD or Outcry or any of the 7-string-esque metal stuff on the last couple of albums are anything to go by... it can be said that JP doesn't come up with the best metal riffs these days.
For songs off of ADTOE I know for me personally, the production stifled my ability to enjoy some of those "heavier" riffs fully. For me, it wasn't always that the riff wasn't great, it was the way it ended up coming across in the final mix of everything.
I am a firm believer that drum grooves make good "heavy" riffs better, so when the drum sound is slightly lacking, for me, the riff suffers. I still find JP to be an incredible riff writer, including the "heavier stuff".
BITS riff is a good example of whay you said.
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I will throw this spanner in the mix: This album is supposedly meant to be "heavier". if BMUBMD or Outcry or any of the 7-string-esque metal stuff on the last couple of albums are anything to go by... it can be said that JP doesn't come up with the best metal riffs these days.
For songs off of ADTOE I know for me personally, the production stifled my ability to enjoy some of those "heavier" riffs fully. For me, it wasn't always that the riff wasn't great, it was the way it ended up coming across in the final mix of everything.
I am a firm believer that drum grooves make good "heavy" riffs better, so when the drum sound is slightly lacking, for me, the riff suffers. I still find JP to be an incredible riff writer, including the "heavier stuff".
Agreed. But the drum beats/groove were definitely there on ADTOE to support and add to the riffs. The only problem was that a lot of the drums and percussion were buried in the mix.
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Agreed. But the drum beats/groove were definitely there on ADTOE to support and add to the riffs. The only problem was that a lot of the drums and percussion were buried in the mix.
Yes absolutely agreed! I think MM laid down some incredible parts on ADTOE so the grooves were definitely there, like you said they were just buried in mix. That caused the overall effect of those more "aggressive" or "heavy" sections to suffer on that record, in spite of, in my opinion, some really well written guitar and drum parts.
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I will throw this spanner in the mix: This album is supposedly meant to be "heavier". if BMUBMD or Outcry or any of the 7-string-esque metal stuff on the last couple of albums are anything to go by... it can be said that JP doesn't come up with the best metal riffs these days.
For songs off of ADTOE I know for me personally, the production stifled my ability to enjoy some of those "heavier" riffs fully. For me, it wasn't always that the riff wasn't great, it was the way it ended up coming across in the final mix of everything.
I am a firm believer that drum grooves make good "heavy" riffs better, so when the drum sound is slightly lacking, for me, the riff suffers. I still find JP to be an incredible riff writer, including the "heavier stuff".
Agreed. But the drum beats/groove were definitely there on ADTOE to support and add to the riffs. The only problem was that a lot of the drums and percussion were buried in the mix.
Hearing BITS live, I can attest to the fact that JP is indeed coming up with some great, heavy riffs. As said previously, the drum mix did not help matters in the slightest.
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ADTOE songs sounds way heavier live, just because the drums aren't buried. When I saw Outcry live, I notice the difference and the heaviness of it...it is really, really incredible.
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I believe that if the drums aren't buried in DT12's mix, it could be one of the most amazing DT recordings ever. This is based solely on my belief in DT to make amazing music.
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I believe that if the drums aren't buried in DT12's mix, it could be one of the most amazing DT recordings ever. This is based solely on my belief in DT to make amazing music.
Agreed. MM TOOOOONE is nice to my ears, even his snaredrum (that is way different from Portnoy's).
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ADTOE songs sounds way heavier live, just because the drums aren't buried. When I saw Outcry live, I notice the difference and the heaviness of it...it is really, really incredible.
Yep! They do sound much heavier live; tunes like Outcry, BMUBMD, BIT, etc... sound massive live with a full, in your face drum groove supporting those riffs.
Agreed. MM TOOOOONE is nice to my ears, even his snaredrum (that is way different from Portnoy's).
This is another thing I noticed while seeing them live in support of ADTOE. MM really does put together a great selection of sounds with the way he has built his kit. This fact makes me want a bigger drum sound on DT12 even more!
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ADTOE songs sounds way heavier live, just because the drums aren't buried. When I saw Outcry live, I notice the difference and the heaviness of it...it is really, really incredible.
Yep! They do sound much heavier live; tunes like Outcry, BMUBMD, BIT, etc... sound massive live with a full, in your face drum groove supporting those riffs.
Agreed. MM TOOOOONE is nice to my ears, even his snaredrum (that is way different from Portnoy's).
This is another thing I noticed while seeing them live in support of ADTOE. MM really does put together a great selection of sounds with the way he has built his kit. This fact makes me want a bigger drum sound on DT12 even more!
Have you watched the video where MM explain all the mics he used on the new album? That makes me think that he had freedom to really input not just his ideas in the creation process, but how he'll sound on the new record. Probably MM is aiming a bigger sound too...lets wait and see!
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ADTOE songs sounds way heavier live, just because the drums aren't buried. When I saw Outcry live, I notice the difference and the heaviness of it...it is really, really incredible.
Yep! They do sound much heavier live; tunes like Outcry, BMUBMD, BIT, etc... sound massive live with a full, in your face drum groove supporting those riffs.
Agreed. MM TOOOOONE is nice to my ears, even his snaredrum (that is way different from Portnoy's).
This is another thing I noticed while seeing them live in support of ADTOE. MM really does put together a great selection of sounds with the way he has built his kit. This fact makes me want a bigger drum sound on DT12 even more!
Have you watched the video where MM explain all the mics he used on the new album? That makes me think that he had freedom to really input not just his ideas in the creation process, but how he'll sound on the new record. Probably MM is aiming a bigger sound too...lets wait and see!
And hope :tup
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Have you watched the video where MM explain all the mics he used on the new album? That makes me think that he had freedom to really input not just his ideas in the creation process, but how he'll sound on the new record. Probably MM is aiming a bigger sound too...lets wait and see!
Yeah I saw that video, real interesting stuff! Great how MM gets excited about everything including drum mics, haha!
I agree though, with MM being more involved in the process this time around in virtually every way, I feel as if the drum sound will improve from ADTOE. That will in turn, IMO, support the heavier riffs with more full sounding grooves, therefore making the presentation of the whole band sound "heavier" in those moments when they are trying to be. :metal
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Meh, all those single-string chromatic riffs aren't that heavy to my ears. Distorted power chords plus heavy E-string chugging FTW.
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I agree though, with MM being more involved in the process this time around in virtually every way, I feel as if the drum sound will improve from ADTOE. That will in turn, IMO, support the heavier riffs with more full sounding grooves, therefore making the presentation of the whole band sound "heavier" in those moments when they are trying to be. :metal
Well, I think the important thing that people have to realize, that DT really embraced this time around is that while MM is the new guy in the band, he's still a powerhouse of music knowledge, and now he brought all that knowledge into the band, and I'm hoping that gave them some new dynamics. Can't wait to hear!
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I agree the songs sounded heavier live on this last tour, however I saw them twice at the same venue, once from the balcony and once from the pit. Both times, the actual strikes of MM's bass drums were mostly inaudible...they just produced like a big wubble-wubble of bass noise. From what I had seen of that set in pics and such I feel that (at least part of) the problem was the type of beaters he used on his pedals. They all looked to be super soft, felt, rounded kickers. Those are well-suited to certain types of music, but not metal, or "heavy music," as it were. I could be totally wrong, but that seemed to contribute to the lack of punctuated bass drum sound, on the album and live. I was confused as to why he never changed those out at some point, because yeah he had already designed that kit to a specific standard and he wouldn't change out any big parts, but putting different beaters on your pedals is not a big deal...*shrug* I dunno.
I LOVE the riff in BITS. It was a bit redeeming of JP's metal riff skills to me, and it has aged well. Looking forward to pretty much anything they give us on this next album.
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108 pages?!! Is this the hottest thread in this Forums history?
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I prefer 108 pages of spam here than 27 pages filled with trolls like in the 5/8 forums... Have you guys seen these people? They've got no respect, specially towards DT and the fans, haha.
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
Why would that be a worry? Length =/= quality.
Or so I've been told...
inb4 penis jokes
That was already a penis joke long before you got there.
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I agree though, with MM being more involved in the process this time around in virtually every way, I feel as if the drum sound will improve from ADTOE. That will in turn, IMO, support the heavier riffs with more full sounding grooves, therefore making the presentation of the whole band sound "heavier" in those moments when they are trying to be. :metal
Well, I think the important thing that people have to realize, that DT really embraced this time around is that while MM is the new guy in the band, he's still a powerhouse of music knowledge, and now he brought all that knowledge into the band, and I'm hoping that gave them some new dynamics. Can't wait to hear!
That is true, which made me excited. And its great they're letting him fully unleash it all.
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Haha, now they are quoting me and using my avatar. What a lovely bunch.
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Haha, now they are quoting me and using my avatar. What a lovely bunch.
How do you know they're trolling? Maybe they just heard Impermanent Resonance and thought it was DT12. :rollin
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Haha, now they are quoting me and using my avatar. What a lovely bunch.
That reminds me of a time on a forum when there were no moderators on at the time, I attempted to stop some of the spam, some of the spam afterwards consisted of
BLACKAVAR SUCKS MY DICK
BLACKAVAR SUCKS MY DICK
about 50 times per post. :yeahright
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Haha, now they are quoting me and using my avatar. What a lovely bunch.
How do you know they're trolling? Maybe they just heard Impermanent Resonance and thought it was DT12. :rollin
I'm not talking about THAT, mainly because it would be against our forum rules. I'm talking about the people that want to have a nice discussion getting overwhelmed by a bunch of unnecessary comments on how much they "love" DT.
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I'm a little hazy but i'm almost certain that they released the track lengths for Black Clouds along with the titles & artwork.
Granted - this was when MP was in the band and he might have wanted to go like " Hey check out our super proggy album ! "
Track lengths don't really excite me unless they're somehow interesting. Like a few 3 minute songs.
To me they're not as much about excitement, as they are about reassurance. Like, "Phew, so there are a few songs that are 7 - 10 minutes long. Now I can relax and not worry that somehow, the album is filled with 5 minute songs.
Why would that be a worry? Length =/= quality.
Or so I've been told...
inb4 penis jokes
That was already a penis joke long before you got there.
The penis joke was like a juggernaut that was out of control and we were all too scared TO HELM IT.
Basically because none of us had the balls.
Anyway - it didn't make a vas Deferens.
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I agree the songs sounded heavier live on this last tour, however I saw them twice at the same venue, once from the balcony and once from the pit. Both times, the actual strikes of MM's bass drums were mostly inaudible...they just produced like a big wubble-wubble of bass noise. From what I had seen of that set in pics and such I feel that (at least part of) the problem was the type of beaters he used on his pedals. They all looked to be super soft, felt, rounded kickers. Those are well-suited to certain types of music, but not metal, or "heavy music," as it were. I could be totally wrong, but that seemed to contribute to the lack of punctuated bass drum sound, on the album and live. I was confused as to why he never changed those out at some point, because yeah he had already designed that kit to a specific standard and he wouldn't change out any big parts, but putting different beaters on your pedals is not a big deal...*shrug* I dunno.
I LOVE the riff in BITS. It was a bit redeeming of JP's metal riff skills to me, and it has aged well. Looking forward to pretty much anything they give us on this next album.
I think at that volume and those speeds they need to trigger the bass drums to get a distinguishable attack sound and I doubt DT would do that. Although MM uses triggers for different sounds. https://www.moderndrummer.com/site/2011/05/mike-mangini-of-dream-theater/#.Ufg8Sm2NBoY
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I think at that volume and those speeds they need to trigger the bass drums to get a distinguishable attack sound and I doubt DT would do that. Although MM uses triggers for different sounds. https://www.moderndrummer.com/site/2011/05/mike-mangini-of-dream-theater/#.Ufg8Sm2NBoY
Possibly. I had read that article way back when, haha. Great interview. I also doubt DT would use triggers, however I'm pretty sure there have been some bands that get great bass drum sounds without triggering at crazy volumes and speeds. Opeth comes to mind, but I have never confirmed whether Martin Lopez or Axe use triggers or not. I just feel like with harder beaters on those front 22" bass drums, and perhaps some additional/better muting inside them, the attack would sound much better for those crazy double-bass riffs.
MM's announcement of building a new kit for DT has my hopes up, though! For the tour, at least, since this is now happening, after recording the new album... :huh:
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Haha, now they are quoting me and using my avatar. What a lovely bunch.
How do you know they're trolling? Maybe they just heard Impermanent Resonance and thought it was DT12. :rollin
I'm not talking about THAT, mainly because it would be against our forum rules. I'm talking about the people that want to have a nice discussion getting overwhelmed by a bunch of unnecessary comments on how much they "love" DT.
God, unnecessary comments from people about how much the love DT on a DT fan forum. The nerve of them.
BTW, I LOVE DT
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Haha, now they are quoting me and using my avatar. What a lovely bunch.
How do you know they're trolling? Maybe they just heard Impermanent Resonance and thought it was DT12. :rollin
I'm not talking about THAT, mainly because it would be against our forum rules. I'm talking about the people that want to have a nice discussion getting overwhelmed by a bunch of unnecessary comments on how much they "love" DT.
God, unnecessary comments from people about how much the love DT on a DT fan forum. The nerve of them.
BTW, I LOVE DT
I hope you've understood that by "love" between quote marks I mean hate? =P And I was talking about another forum, not DTF x)
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The more and more I listened to ADTOE, the less the drums bothered me. When I first heard it I was like... ohhhhh, they're a little quiet and buried in there... but over time I grew to enjoy the sound of the album for what it was.
As for the whole song length discussion a few pages back that I just got around to reading, I think it's very possible to have well written, instrumentally good short songs. DT did that a bit in their earlier albums and I think they can do it again. I still find the whole "sea of shorter songs" idea quite refreshing.
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The more and more I listened to ADTOE, the less the drums bothered me. When I first heard it I was like... ohhhhh, they're a little quiet and buried in there... but over time I grew to enjoy the sound of the album for what it was.
I agree with this to a degree, I have come to appreciate the album sound for what it is but there are still a few moments that, no matter how many times I have listened to the record, fall flat for me every time due to the lack of drum impact. Particularly, those "heavier" moments on the record that were being discussed previously in this thread.
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The penis joke was like a juggernaut that was out of control and we were all too scared TO HELM IT.
Basically because none of us had the balls.
Anyway - it didn't make a vas Deferens.
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10/10 I chuckled.
And on the topic of ADTOE production, I thought that besides the drums it had a very good sound, at least the vocals sounded amazing. But the potential of the material on that album was faltered by the drums a bit.
Also about short songs... I think the short songs they make are really good if they're more like Surrounded, Innocence Faded, The Mirror, Strange De Ja Vu, etc., and less like Wither, Forsaken, BMU/BMD. They're just more interesting to me.
But at this point it seems inevitable that the album will have one of those commercial hit attempts like the latter, I'm kind of hoping DT12 breaks the mold a little. Not to say those songs are necessarily bad, there's just nothing special about them for me.
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Haha, now they are quoting me and using my avatar. What a lovely bunch.
They surf over here constantly because they are all still closet DT fans but are afraid to admit it for fear of losing coolness points. :lol
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Haha, now they are quoting me and using my avatar. What a lovely bunch.
They surf over here constantly because they are all still closet DT fans but are afraid to admit it for fear of losing coolness points. :lol
Pfft, shows what they know. Being a DT fan only adds coolness points.
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Yes...more "Strange Deja Vu"!!! That's like a mini-epic!
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The more and more I listened to ADTOE, the less the drums bothered me. When I first heard it I was like... ohhhhh, they're a little quiet and buried in there... but over time I grew to enjoy the sound of the album for what it was.
They never "bothered" me, and I have enjoyed the overall sound of the album since day 1. But I still recognize that the drums are a bit too low, which takes away some punch and makes it difficult to hear some of the cool stuff Mangini is doing.
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Honestly, it was the first thing I noticed when I listened to ADTOE. It took me until Lost Not Forgotten to get used to it. I have to say its the only album where the drum production seriously affects the overall quality of the album for me. It did seem like a conscious decision though, hopefully the drums sound better on Luna Park, and I can just listen to those songs when I need a DT fix.
I'd be happy if the drums on DT12 were anything like Awake to Six Degrees.
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When I first listened to ADTOE, I noticed the difference in the mix and in the snaredrum...but it didn't bothered me too. I really liked the changes.
And then, I listened to the drum stem from OTBOA...after that I realized that if the drums we're better mixed, it would sound even better in the album...but anyway, that's minor stuff.
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The drums definitely need to be higher in the mix. Maybe they just pulled a Newstead on MM and buried his tracks. LOL
Im hoping that the drums on the new cd are more up front. I agree with Bosk. MM does do a lot of really cool and interesting stuff that pretty much goes unnoticed because he's is simply buried in the mix.
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Froms DT's FB:
"With engineer Rich Chyki at the album listening party today in NYC."
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/936491_10151514006762181_1105997594_n.jpg)
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Myung looks older in that pic...is that possible? :-X
I'm really hoping to read/hear/see something new about DT12 this week...the wait is killing me.
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Myung looks like Shang-Tsung in that pic :lol
Also, I wonder if there will be any news coming from that listening party.
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Myung looks like Shang-Tsung in that pic :lol
Also, I wonder if there will be any news coming from that listening party.
So it's true... he's a thousand year old sorcerer who steals souls to sustain his eternal youth.
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Haha, LaBrie & Chyki --> same beard :D
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Haha, LaBrie & Chyki --> same beard :D
It's a Canadian beard, eh.
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They used to have the same haircut too :D
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/38065743/Winter+Rose.jpg)
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don't know if you can even call that a haircut :lol
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Oh, they are having a listening party and we are still left in the dark, huh? :angry:
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Oh, they are having a listening party and we are still left in the dark, huh? :angry:
They probably go through the forum themselves every day and laugh their asses off :P Now they are trying to tease us even more!
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Oh, they are having a listening party and we are still left in the dark, huh? :angry:
The bright side is that we'll probably get listening session reports and some of them may include track-by-track analyses!
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Oh, they are having a listening party and we are still left in the dark, huh? :angry:
The bright side is that we'll probably get listening session reports and some of them may include track-by-track analyses!
...you wish...
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Oh, they are having a listening party and we are still left in the dark, huh? :angry:
The bright side is that we'll probably get listening session reports and some of them may include track-by-track analyses!
Not before we are given the single, though. I have the feeling that the band wants us to get to the first bit of music from the album (the single) with absolutely zero information on what is going to come. :angel:
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To be honest...the first of August sounds very good for some kind of release :D
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Oh, they are having a listening party and we are still left in the dark, huh? :angry:
The bright side is that we'll probably get listening session reports and some of them may include track-by-track analyses!
Not before we are given the single, though. I have the feeling that the band wants us to get to the first bit of music from the album (the single) with absolutely zero information on what is going to come. :angel:
I read some listening session reports for Heritage by Opeth and The Beginning of Times by Amorphis before a single note of music had been released from those albums, so it's not impossible ;D
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It could happen, but I think the band wish for us to be surprised is quite clear this time.
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Posted by "noxon" on the 5/8 forum:
"I thought i would be able to post the review earlier than what I have now been told, so don't expect to see the review just yet. It's mostly written though, so as soon as I get the go ahead it will go up.
(but i'm going to say this, and please don't quote me on this elsewhere; it's not a very high ranking album for me right now)"
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Posted by "noxon" on the 5/8 forum:
"I thought i would be able to post the review earlier than what I have now been told, so don't expect to see the review just yet. It's mostly written though, so as soon as I get the go ahead it will go up.
(but i'm going to say this, and please don't quote me on this elsewhere; it's not a very high ranking album for me right now)"
Uhm what was unclear about this that you had to quote him on DTF? :lol
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Isn't this "elsewhere"?
Edit: Myunged by Mora. :)
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Posted by "noxon" on the 5/8 forum:
"I thought i would be able to post the review earlier than what I have now been told, so don't expect to see the review just yet. It's mostly written though, so as soon as I get the go ahead it will go up.
(but i'm going to say this, and please don't quote me on this elsewhere; it's not a very high ranking album for me right now)"
Uhm what was unclear about this that you had to quote him on DTF? :lol
Yeah :lol
Anyway, looks like RR has set a certain date after which reviews can be posted.
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Which confirms my post-single theory :lol
But in all fairness, noxon had it coming. He knows us people, that bit was completely going to be quoted here within half a minute :rollin
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Advice: Man, don't write something if you don't want it to be posted somewhere!
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Or, since the dude wrote that on one forum (and asked not to be quoted on it), don't quote him everywhere else? He's a member here, if he wanted the post to be here, he'd post it himself.
People :mehlin
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Well, that doesn't bug me that much. I'm eager for reviews but just to understand the style/mood of the album, I know that nobody can judge for me in my place. Actually, I'm quite used to like things that many people dislike, so for me this is rather encouraging =D
Anyway, I absolutely agree that someone's requests must be respected.
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Believe it or not ! I did not notice Noxon's request :facepalm:
My apologies ... I know it is too late, but come on...
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People just don't read it all anymore, fact =)
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Moor, you didn't read the whole text before copying and pasting it?
Which confirms my post-single theory :lol
However, listening session reports =/= reviews. Besides, I used Opeth as an example in my previous post and they're on RR too. Anyway, DT may have a stricter policy and it seems likely that we'll get the single before any reports/reviews/etc.
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Noxon comes here often, and many of us are on the 5/8 forum so...he knew he would have been quoted! ::)
I already had the impression that he didn't like the album, hence he didn't want to be the first one to write a "negative" review...
Combining this with the supposedly-fake-but-indeed-true review that circulated, I think we can expect something like a flat/ heavy album..
But de gustibus non est disputandum, so some of us might love it anyway! :metal
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I went through it quickly and thought it was something like "save your critics or don't start bashing ...."
My bad... I already PMd noxon my apologies...
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Actually, I'm quite used to like things that many people dislike, so for me this is rather encouraging =D
Yeah, me too :biggrin:
Well, to be honest, there isn't many albums being reviewed a full two months in advance. The "restriction" likely hasn't got anything with being surprised nor the single, but more with just publishing advance reviews closer to the release date, when "normal" people are actually expecting to hear more about the album.
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Where or was is the 5/8 forum? Where can I find it? :/
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Well, at least I'm not as hyped anymore.
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Well, at least I'm not as hyped anymore.
Don't let your excitement be deflated by the opinion of one individual. It's just his personal feeling about the album.
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Well, at least I'm not as hyped anymore.
Why not? Noxon is known for being quite critical of the band in recent years, so it doesn't surprise me at all if he doesn't rank it that highly.
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Yeah, what he said. But if your excitement has been diminished by reading that impression, go read Mr. Wilson's in one of his latest posts here to restore it to its original levels :D
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Well, at least I'm not as hyped anymore.
Don't let your excitement be deflated by the opinion of one individual. It's just his personal feeling about the album.
This. While you shouldn't let the band's comments about it being their best album ever build your expectations up too much, it also isn't wise to let negative reviews break them down.
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I don't know; I like it that there are both positive and negative statements already, because it could mean the album goes in a couple of bolder directions which could both sway and alienate. But no statement means anything to me before I read WHY someone liked/disliked it.
What I'm most afraid of are reviews stating "if you're a DT fan, you'll like this", because for me, being a DT fan does not exclude disliking some elements of the band, even identifying elements. The fact is that DT COULD afford themselves a lot of experimenting at this stage of their career, since fans will literally buy anything they do, they are secure for life, and they won't gain any new fans with other preferences in prog/metal by sticking to what they know best, or to what they've been doing for the past 10+ years.
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While I certainly did miss Wilson's post I feel I should say that part of me has actually been looking forward to reading something that takes the edge off my hype. When my excitement reaches these levels I usually end up being at least slightly disappointed when whatever it is I'm looking forward to is finally released. ;)
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who is wilson? also inb4....
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fb/Wilson_The_Volleyball.jpg)
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Rich Wilson, DT's biographer and writer for Classic Rock magazine (and a member on this forum).
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Did you ever consider that DT might be "afraid" to release new material? Because, for themselves, they know that their new album won't a have a very good response..?! Just thinkin'
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Did you ever consider that DT might be "afraid" to release new material? Because, for themselves, they know that their new album won't a have a very good response..?! Just thinkin'
If DT weren't happy with it, they wouldn't have recorded it and released it. They have the creative freedom for this not to be a concern to me.
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Well...you are probably right...I am just wondering..the weirdest ideas occur to me :P
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Hehe, well this is DTF, so it's expected! But I think you're overthinking it. We're still almost two months out, so it's not unusual to have not heard anything yet, and I'm sure we'll have a single sometime soon.
Soon.............
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Yaah, hopefully :D
As I've already mentioned earlier....the first of August seems to be a nice date for a single if you ask me ;) :D
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The reason why I didn't want it on here is because I'd rather not have the speculation as to why I said what I said on this forum. I don't mind people knowing my feelings, and i'm not afraid to criticize when I feel it's necessary (read my SC and BCSL review, and see that I spend time dissecting the album, telling the reader positive and negative factors to the albums, while still ending up with a conclusion that says that even with the flaws there are many things to be enjoyed on the albums. ADTOE review was very positive. So I don't really get the "i'm too critical of DT's work in the later years" - I try to write a review for a DT fan, of which I think the average interest in music and the building blocks is much higher than many other fangroups.
As for the review of this album; it's got nothing to do with whether I like it or not. I've already written 2500 words about it! Some of it is positive, some of it is negative. And while my ranking of the album may tell you that I don't put in the top - come on, you're comparing it to albums like I&W, Awake, SFAM, etc etc. When you've got 12 albums, all of which are (for me anyway) above average, it takes quite a lot to reach to the top.
I've been told to put a hold on the review for the time being, so it's out of my hands. I -wish- I could give it to you guys now, as it would answer so many of the questions you've been asking (and man, think about the itch i'm feeling every day when I see someone state something, and I know the accurate answer to that statement... ;)
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Well, thanks for posting that :tup
Don't worry about the inability to post your review. We understand that you have to abide to the regulations coming from high above, and that's cool. When the time comes we will read and know. :tup
In the meanwhile we will the specustorm will keep raging, I think :D
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Did you ever consider that DT might be "afraid" to release new material? Because, for themselves, they know that their new album won't a have a very good response..?! Just thinkin'
If DT weren't happy with it, they wouldn't have recorded it and released it. They have the creative freedom for this not to be a concern to me.
I read Petruccinator12s comment as they're not unhappy with the album but rather concerned if fans would appriciate them streching out the "DT sound" then before. I have a big hunch that you have to spend some time with this album in order to fully appriciate it. I'm all up for that though.
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The reason why I didn't want it on here is because I'd rather not have the speculation as to why I said what I said on this forum. I don't mind people knowing my feelings, and i'm not afraid to criticize when I feel it's necessary (read my SC and BCSL review, and see that I spend time dissecting the album, telling the reader positive and negative factors to the albums, while still ending up with a conclusion that says that even with the flaws there are many things to be enjoyed on the albums. ADTOE review was very positive. So I don't really get the "i'm too critical of DT's work in the later years" - I try to write a review for a DT fan, of which I think the average interest in music and the building blocks is much higher than many other fangroups.
As for the review of this album; it's got nothing to do with whether I like it or not. I've already written 2500 words about it! Some of it is positive, some of it is negative. And while my ranking of the album may tell you that I don't put in the top - come on, you're comparing it to albums like I&W, Awake, SFAM, etc etc. When you've got 12 albums, all of which are (for me anyway) above average, it takes quite a lot to reach to the top.
I've been told to put a hold on the review for the time being, so it's out of my hands. I -wish- I could give it to you guys now, as it would answer so many of the questions you've been asking (and man, think about the itch i'm feeling every day when I see someone state something, and I know the accurate answer to that statement... ;)
Could you probably give an estimation when you are probably going to be allowed to post it? :/ Or is it impossible to foresee? Soon? Very soon? Not soon?
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Did you ever consider that DT might be "afraid" to release new material? Because, for themselves, they know that their new album won't a have a very good response..?! Just thinkin'
If DT weren't happy with it, they wouldn't have recorded it and released it. They have the creative freedom for this not to be a concern to me.
I read Petruccinator12s comment as they're not unhappy with the album but rather concerned if fans would appriciate them streching out the "DT sound" then before. I have a big hunch that you have to spend some time with this album in order to fully appriciate it. I'm all up for that though.
I don't mind listening to it often before fully appreciating it either
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Thanks for posting Noxon, we'll see, a review's just a review after all, isn't it?
Although I must say I'd be reading every review I can find when 'they' give green light to post them.
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we're talking several weeks here.
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^ pretty logical. I wasn't expecting any reviews before September tbh.
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Well, for all three previous albums I had a review up from 4 to 8 weeks before release...
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Well, for all three previous albums I had a review up from 4 to 8 weeks before release...
Well..that sucks ^^
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but I want all of the information now! I HATE MY LIFE! GIVE IT TO ME, DTF!
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... ooooooor not so logical at all :lol it's like that for most bands I listen to, and most people who run webzines which I follow/people in my webzine generally don't have reviews ready that far ahead, my brain totally blocked out other "channels". I haven't read any of your DT reviews because they either came when I was not so interested in reading reviews or not so interested about the future of DT.
/a slightly embarrassed Milena :mora:
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(https://i.imgur.com/qaCEHFN.png)
That seems so boring. Put an "!" at the end. We're DTF, dammit!
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Wow, already 111 pages! Still no news :/ Liars!! :P
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Somehow I feel like we could compare DT12 to Awake...just a feeling..
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*snip*
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I wouldn't post reviews like that here now, they're not authorized.
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I'm also anxious to read some review with more detail on the album, but lets not forget this is just a matter of opinion. We can't let this affect our thoughts about it, otherwise it would ruin the album before it even came out. I'm just saying it cause there's a guy on the other forum already assuming DT have failed. I particularly learnt this lesson from the expectation on the ''waiting for Systematic Chaos period''. haha
We still have two months to get through. Can you imagine how ''damaged'' our opinion can be two months from now if we'd be willing to accept every opinion as the truth about this album?
Hey Noxon, they always send these promo copies so soon?!
They should be aware that knowing that there is a lot of people listening to it right now doesn't help us fans to keep sane haha...
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I'm a bit curious on why alot people seems to be so eager on reading a revew 1-2 month before a release when 1 review (and 1 persons opinion for that matter) so easily can spoil someones hype on an album. I myself would rather convince myself that the person reviewing the album would take the time until the release to let the album fully sink in. He can't publish the review anyway so...
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They always send promos this early, yes. It's part of the process, and without the promotional part of the whole cd-release aspect the release date could probably have come a lot sooner. But the record companies want to be sure that the promotion is done properly before they send it out, so I understand that completely.
The only album I have not had access to at least a month before release date is Train of Thought (that is, after I became a fan - which was during FII).
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I'm a bit curious on why alot people seems to be so eager on reading a revew 1-2 month before a release when 1 review (and 1 persons opinion for that matter) so easily can spoil someones hype on an album. I myself would rather convince myself that the person reviewing the album would take the time until the release to let the album fully sink in. He can't publish the review anyway so...
Because even a lower-tier DT album is a wonderful album with 1-2 classic songs and 4-5 really good ones. More that that is gravy to look forward to.
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Even Systematic Chaos & Black Clouds sounded great for the first few months and stood up well to repeated listens.
They're not albums you'd replay in the long run but provide enough enjoyment in the mid term that it's ok.
And DT bring out albums so regularly that a new one is always on the way.
So even if it's an SC or BC&SL tier album - at least it will be enjoyable DT music for a decent length of time anyway..
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I wasn't as skeptical about the legitimacy of the Spanish mini-review as most of us were, but I wouldn't give too much attention to what some random guy said at 5/8, and even if that person HAS heard the album, you need to listen to it yourself and judge then.
This goes against what we've heard from two other confirmed sources that the album will not disappoint and is nothing like ADTOE.
Whether it ends up being a disappointment or not is very subjective. Also, I can't remember anyone saying the new album is "nothing like ADTOE" and as I said earlier in this thread, the amount of differences you can see between two albums depends on your point of view. I bet most of us will be able to see some differences, because DT have never really repeated themselves despite maintaining their core sound, but the comment about the album not disappointing the fans but not turning the haters' heads around either makes me think it won't be drastically different.
And a couple of songs different to anything DT have done before.
:caffeine:
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Or, since the dude wrote that on one forum (and asked not to be quoted on it), don't quote him everywhere else? He's a member here, if he wanted the post to be here, he'd post it himself.
People :mehlin
We're not members of the press, under obligation to hold information "on background," especially public information :lol. If he didn't want it quoted, don't put it out on a public forum. It's as silly as tweeting something, and saying don't tell anyone on facebook :lol
Moor's already said it was an honest mistake, but I don't like your "public forum" justification, just because a person's put something in one corner of the internet, doesn't mean they want it in all other corners of the internet, especially since he's on here and he could just put it here himself.
I've made a bigger fuss over this than noxon, and I'm aware I'm extremely annoying by pushing this further one more time, it's just that, "person a: please don't do the thing - person b: *does the thing*" is my biggest pet peeve ever, and it's not less serious for me just because we're on the internet. /mouth shut about this issue
Issue #2: I am also really really anxious to hear this album, as I love DT with all my heart but I'm worried they're on a path where I won't enjoy future albums by them while simultaneously feeling uberconfident in my dear lads and also very very curious to hear the (possible) backbone of the live show I'm seeing next year, for the first time that this album represents. That's a whole load of conflicting strong feelings. But things that take time, take timeeeeee.
Advance copies of the album to the journalists and other people are being sent for the exact reason that they satisfy our impatience before we can hear the actual music, by having us hear what some (in most cases) competent people have to say about how's the album like. And how they liked it. They're sent well in advance so those competent people have time to form their thoughts and not give you a rushed review. If your only response to that is more annoyance that you can't hear it two months in advance as well or "well I won't let that sway my opinion", good for you, it shouldn't sway it, but they're there for us all to have some rudimental notions of how the album sounds like, IF WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE NOTIONS, and if we don't, we don't read 'em.
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My mate Phil's initial thoughts are very different to that review so I'm not worried. And the drums "absolutley ridiculous" apparently. Hopefully in a good way. And Phil said no real ballads so hmm. And a couple of songs different to anything DT have done before.
Not worried by that review at all.
This is in line with Rich Wilson's claim that DT12 is not ADTOE part 2.
I like the fact that the songs are shorter (except the 20 min epic) on DT12. It can mean more concise songwriting and experimentation. Then again, I think Octavarium is a fantastic record from start to end (and beginning again ;)) and as an album has incredible stayingpower with me...I still think it is getting better with time.
Plus, I remembered norwegian newspapers giving ADTOE bad reviews to mediocre reviews and I ended up loving that album. One mans thrash is another mans treasure I guess!
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Moor's already said it was an honest mistake, but I don't like your "public forum" justification, just because a person's put something in one corner of the internet, doesn't mean they want it in all other corners of the internet, especially since he's on here and he could just put it here himself.
I've made a bigger fuss over this than noxon, and I'm aware I'm extremely annoying by pushing this further one more time, it's just that, "person a: please don't do the thing - person b: *does the thing*" is my biggest pet peeve ever, and it's not less serious for me just because we're on the internet. /mouth shut about this issue
While I like the idea of honoring someone's request and I like the idea of you sticking up for that idea, it is without question a public forum, and is therefore an unreasonable (and silly IMO) request to make. We just disagree. It's OK, it's all love here.
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Moor's already said it was an honest mistake, but I don't like your "public forum" justification, just because a person's put something in one corner of the internet, doesn't mean they want it in all other corners of the internet, especially since he's on here and he could just put it here himself.
I've made a bigger fuss over this than noxon, and I'm aware I'm extremely annoying by pushing this further one more time, it's just that, "person a: please don't do the thing - person b: *does the thing*" is my biggest pet peeve ever, and it's not less serious for me just because we're on the internet. /mouth shut about this issue
While I like the idea of honoring someone's request and I like the idea of you sticking up for that idea, it is without question a public forum, and is therefore an unreasonable (and silly IMO) request to make. We just disagree. It's OK, it's all love here.
Yeah we could argue about that until our noses bleed and not reach a point where we don't disagree, so, you know :lol "all love" is generally how I roll when I'm not being a (bosk prep yourself) grumpy bastard. :tup
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So has anything happened yet? No? OK.
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Moor's already said it was an honest mistake, but I don't like your "public forum" justification, just because a person's put something in one corner of the internet, doesn't mean they want it in all other corners of the internet, especially since he's on here and he could just put it here himself.
I've made a bigger fuss over this than noxon, and I'm aware I'm extremely annoying by pushing this further one more time, it's just that, "person a: please don't do the thing - person b: *does the thing*" is my biggest pet peeve ever, and it's not less serious for me just because we're on the internet. /mouth shut about this issue
While I like the idea of honoring someone's request and I like the idea of you sticking up for that idea, it is without question a public forum, and is therefore an unreasonable (and silly IMO) request to make. We just disagree. It's OK, it's all love here.
Yeah we could argue about that until our noses bleed and not reach a point where we don't disagree, so, you know :lol "all love" is generally how I roll when I'm not being a (bosk prep yourself) grumpy bastard. :tup
Given the nature of public forums in general and the enthusiasm on DTF, it was a silly and delusional request on Noxon's part not to be quoted elsewhere. Almost sounds like a joke. It was a pointless little tease anyway which didn't even reveal any new information (we already knew he had mixed feelings about the album) and fussing about it is even more pointless. But I guess it keeps the action going. :P
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You don't know anything. You're speculating, and creating meaning and sense into words that aren't even there. I'm having fun fueling the freaks over there, and when you bring it here without even considering the context and the place you're taking it from, you're basically taking the trash over here. The two places are very different in nature, and what is said there doesn't necessarily fit in the context of what's being said here. Also, there's the simple fact that anything I say at this moment of time about the album is unofficial, and even considered unauthorized, so you posting that information here is breaching the rules for this forum. Pretty simple.
It's quite funny when all you say is "hmm" and people go "oh, i guess he didn't like the album". Who cares whether i like the album or not.
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I'm usually the opposite in what most DT bands like...I like SC over Awake and ADTOE...so the things that noxon doesn't like I might love. Could be a great thing.
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Same. Awake is my least favourite DT album along with aCOS.
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My mate Phil's
Dem credentials = shut up and take all of my money!
That's very kind. Have you got any? ;D
His credentials are fine by me. Not expecting anyone else to hold any store by it. Mentioned his credentials a few pages back. A good guy. And one of the luckiest atm as he has this album and I don't.
hahaha sorry didn't mean to sound like a dick, I hadn't noticed that you pointed out who he was. Just extra skeptical of some sources of information, which people are likely to capitalize on in terms of getting internet traffic, trolling for attention etc.
May I ask: To what extent is he a prog, metal and/or Dream Theater fan?
Hey i understand. When he got back to me the other day I wrote out a post about what hhe'd said, deleted it, wrote it out again.
As to the last bit, he' is a DT fan, huge Rush fan, prog, AOR- and he interviewed JLB a few weeks ago too about his "solo" (ahem ) album.
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https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/dream_theater_listening_party.php?page=2
From The Village Voice today.
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Good morning everyone! I have a feeling many of you are going to be pleased by what's coming up in a few hours.
Posted about half an hour ago on their Facebook page, possibly DT related?
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Traceability for leaks. Have past promo copies been tagged like that? It seems like a really good way to shut the leak door.
The best possible comments on that link were about the production and sound. YES!!! That's all I really ask for. Good clear
sound and seperation for the instruments.
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https://www.bryanreesman.com/2013/07/31/dream-theater-unveils-new-album-2013/ (https://www.bryanreesman.com/2013/07/31/dream-theater-unveils-new-album-2013/)
Another report from last night too.
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some more:
https://www.bryanreesman.com/2013/07/31/dream-theater-unveils-new-album-2013/
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Did anybody else noticed the planet cut-off in the photo of the speakers???
:huh:
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https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/dream_theater_listening_party.php?page=2
From The Village Voice today.
I can't open blogs here at work. Can anyone bring the information of that link to this thread please?
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It seems odd to me that the very aspects some reviewers seem to be praising (the sound mixing/quality, the originality and distinction from other DT works) is exactly what the more negative reviews point out as their negative points.
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@Voices: apart from personal impressions, that were pretty interesting, the things that stood out for me the most about the two blogs are that the album is apparently hour-long and that it does not succumb to the loudness war.
Also teeny!Mangini:
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This is veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery good news!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man I'm super hyped!!! I especially trust in the confidence that DT members show towards this album!!! Can't wait!
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It seems odd to me that the very aspects some reviewers seem to be praising (the sound mixing/quality, the originality and distinction from other DT works) is exactly what the more negative reviews point out as their negative points.
Perhaps it would be more odd if both "types" of reviews (negative and positive) said completely different things about the album. As it is both sides are pointing out the same things, which is perfectly normal and expected and means everybody is hearing the same album - the only difference is their varied personal reactions to it, which is good and completely expected.
Enjoyed those two blog posts. It would indeed be nice to have an album that's good to introduce to newcomers, so we'll see, although all I really (selfishly) care about is the enjoyment I personally get out of it. I'm also excited by the emphasis on Romantic "with a capital R".
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It would indeed be nice to have an album that's good to introduce to newcomers, so we'll see
That album for me is Images And Words :lol but yeah I'm waiting for a proper "here's how 'new' DT sounds like at their very best"-album to show to people.
I'm kind of worried about the "orchestral ballads"-thing, with all due respect to dear, dear Eren, that was never my cuppa tea. But I'll wait and see just like everyone else :)
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but yeah I'm waiting for a proper "here's how 'new' DT sounds like at their very best"-album to show to people.
Yep, sorry, that's what I meant. :loser:
As for me, I've never really been crazy about ballads to begin with, but if there's some intricate orchestral arrangement going on may make them more interesting to me. To echo the common sentiment once again, all we peasants can do is wait and see!
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I'm also excited by the emphasis on Romantic "with a capital R".
Me too, definitely. I get really excited when DT have some classical elements in their music, like in Overture. I think I just might love this orchestral break in the middle of Illumination Theory.
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lots of interesting things in that ADD article
"hour long"
"harkens back to the melodic, slightly more traditional songwriting of their early days"
"two of which (“The Looking Glass” and “Surrender To Reason”) recall vintage Rush"
"That’s bulls**t"
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With two of these reviews using words like Romantic and neo-classical, I really hope they know what they're talking about. Or, more like, I hope the definitions they're thinking of are the same that come to my mind when I hear those terms.
Probably not since I don't expect any of them play classical music or have theory training....but one can hope :D
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Okay, I am officially excited.
Good morning everyone! I have a feeling many of you are going to be pleased by what's coming up in a few hours.
Posted about half an hour ago on their Facebook page, possibly DT related?
And if this does turn out to be Dream Theater related... It's morning at DTF.
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Okay, I am officially excited.
Good morning everyone! I have a feeling many of you are going to be pleased by what's coming up in a few hours.
Posted about half an hour ago on their Facebook page, possibly DT related?
And if this does turn out to be Dream Theater related... It's morning at DTF.
I think it is about Trivium, since RRUSA twitter posted that Trivium news was coming today.
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Yeah, seemingly Trivium-related.
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Okay, I am officially excited.
Good morning everyone! I have a feeling many of you are going to be pleased by what's coming up in a few hours.
Posted about half an hour ago on their Facebook page, possibly DT related?
And if this does turn out to be Dream Theater related... It's morning at DTF.
I think it is about Trivium, since RRUSA twitter posted that Trivium news was coming today.
Huge bummer if that's the case :-\
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DT single won't drop until all of us are fat and bald. I swear!
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Yeah, didn't even look at the Twitter. Okay, well, we still got a bunch of FANTASTIC stuff today in the form of solid information from the listening party. So no one do anything bad to any RR employees.
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*snip*
I have already posted several times warning folks not to link to sources that are not authorized. If someone who is not authorized to have a copy of the album says something they shouldn't, or even if someone who has a legitimate copy says something they aren't authorized to release, you cannot link to it. If you aren't sure, ask before posting. This is your official warning. Depending on the nature of the infraction, future infractions by others are likely to result in either temp. bans until after 9/24, or perm bans.
EDIT: And the above includes discussing, asking for information about, quoting, etc. discussions on other websites if doing so violates the rules here. Posts in this thread that cross that line are being deleted, and future violations will result in warnings, bans, etc.
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People aren't probably conscious enough of the fact that RR has already a schedule for releasing their stuff, all of it. They're not going to cave in for some DT TODAY?! PLS WHY NO INFO AT ALL swarms.
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I'm down for some news on Trivium, anyway.
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Why are there so many people here? Did something happen?
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*snip*
I have already posted several times warning folks not to link to sources that are not authorized. If someone who is not authorized to have a copy of the album says something they shouldn't, or even if someone who has a legitimate copy says something they aren't authorized to release, you cannot link to it. If you aren't sure, ask before posting. This is your official warning. Depending on the nature of the infraction, future infractions by others are likely to result in either temp. bans until after 9/24, or perm bans.
Good, because perms are horrible... :neverusethis:
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A section in a song with just bass drums and guitar? There's plenty of those on other DT releases isn't there? It must be somewhat extended to warrant a mention at the listening party.
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Good morning everyone! I have a feeling many of you are going to be pleased by what's coming up in a few hours.
Posted about half an hour ago on their Facebook page, possibly DT related?
:coolio
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Mangini interview
https://www.metalinsider.net/interviews/mike-mangini-on-new-dream-theater-album-i-knew-when-to-be-quiet-and-when-to-offer-something?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MetalInsider+(Metal+Insider)
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Good morning everyone! I have a feeling many of you are going to be pleased by what's coming up in a few hours.
Posted about half an hour ago on their Facebook page, possibly DT related?
:coolio
We've determined it's most likely Trivium.
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Maybe Trivium is releasing a single? :caffeine:
I mean most likely not considering their album comes out in October, but woooo.
What if... We get multi band news from RR today?
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I found it really interesting that IT is mainly instrumental :huh:
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My mate Phil's initial thoughts are very different to that review so I'm not worried. And the drums "absolutley ridiculous" apparently. Hopefully in a good way. And Phil said no real ballads so hmm. And a couple of songs different to anything DT have done before.
Not worried by that review at all.
This is in line with Rich Wilson's claim that DT12 is not ADTOE part 2.
I like the fact that the songs are shorter (except the 20 min epic) on DT12. It can mean more concise songwriting and experimentation. Then again, I think Octavarium is a fantastic record from start to end (and beginning again ;)) and as an album has incredible stayingpower with me...I still think it is getting better with time.
Plus, I remembered norwegian newspapers giving ADTOE bad reviews to mediocre reviews and I ended up loving that album. One mans thrash is another mans treasure I guess!
Phil's exact quote was "not as subtle" as ADTOE. After 3 listens.
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Good morning everyone! I have a feeling many of you are going to be pleased by what's coming up in a few hours.
Posted about half an hour ago on their Facebook page, possibly DT related?
:coolio
We've determined it's most likely Trivium.
Oh then plz continue.... :P
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Mangini interview
https://www.metalinsider.net/interviews/mike-mangini-on-new-dream-theater-album-i-knew-when-to-be-quiet-and-when-to-offer-something?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MetalInsider+(Metal+Insider)
"Sure. And that brings me to my next question: Dream Theater fans are pretty fanatical. What is it like dealing with that level of dedication from fans?
- It’s fantastic, because what I get out of it is that they are an educated bunch. And a lot of them, when I dig in and we come, a lot of them have great senses of humor. And they call you and they recognize everything, and you get a lot of people that are genuinely good, saying things that if they maybe bust your chops here and there, it’s all good. It’s all good stuff. And even for the fans that haven’t seen me, or won’t embrace us maybe until they hear this record, that’s ok with me, because even if Mike [Portnoy] is their prototypical favorite drummer, well then I applaud that, because who am I to say who your favorite musician is? It’s fine. It’s all good to me, because we’re in forward motion, OK? We are going to the next thing, and the next thing, and the next thing. It’s like creating a wig. I’m not looking too far behind me. I’m looking in front of me so I don’t hit a tree. So I’m not worried about that stuff"
I love this man.
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Mangini interview
https://www.metalinsider.net/interviews/mike-mangini-on-new-dream-theater-album-i-knew-when-to-be-quiet-and-when-to-offer-something?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MetalInsider+(Metal+Insider)
"Do you know how much of the record you
are going to be playing live when you tour?
I hope we play every single stinking note."
I hope so too :caffeine:
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:lol Mangini is great! I think it was Rob Webster who said, "He's properly bonkers, isn't he?" Or something close to that.
Awesome.
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We are going to the next thing, and the next thing, and the next thing. It’s like creating a wig.
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Sorry if this makes me look like a self-centered prick, but:
The bright side is that we'll probably get listening session reports and some of them may include track-by-track analyses!
I KNEW IT! :biggrin: Ok, we didn't get track-by-track explanations, but these two blog posts were interesting enough! :tup
MM's comment on DT fans :heart
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Nice interview. :tup
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I love this man.
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Sorry if this makes me look like a self-centered prick, but:
The bright side is that we'll probably get listening session reports and some of them may include track-by-track analyses!
I KNEW IT! :biggrin: Ok, we didn't get track-by-track explanations, but these two blog posts were interesting enough! :tup
We got explanations of some of the tracks. One of the blog posts said that The Looking Glass and Surrender to Reason are Rush-esque and that Illumination Theory is "predominantly instrumental" with a JR-driven "neoclassical" section in the middle. Therefore you were closer to 100% right than you gave yourself credit for.
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Sorry if this makes me look like a self-centered prick, but:
The bright side is that we'll probably get listening session reports and some of them may include track-by-track analyses!
I KNEW IT! :biggrin: Ok, we didn't get track-by-track explanations, but these two blog posts were interesting enough! :tup
We got explanations of some of the tracks. One of the blog posts said that The Looking Glass and Surrender to Reason are Rush-esque and that Illumination Theory is "predominantly instrumental" with a JR-driven "neoclassical" section in the middle. Therefore you were closer to 100% right than you gave yourself credit for.
That's true, but sometimes reports like these include descriptions of every song on the album. Anyway, I'm happy with what we got!
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True. I think we'll probably get something like that closer to the release date. They don't want to give everything away this early. But I agree, what we got was fantastic.
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Am I the only one that keeps seeing pictures of Richard Chycki and James and thinking, damn...why not have a Winter Rose reunion?
Oh, I am the only one? Ok, sorry...carry on.
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True. I think we'll probably get something like that closer to the release date. They don't want to give everything away this early. But I agree, what we got was fantastic.
What did we get exactly? I can't see any reviews apart from the blog post from the listening party that has no info whatsoever.
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Traceability for leaks. Have past promo copies been tagged like that? It seems like a really good way to shut the leak door.
The best possible comments on that link were about the production and sound. YES!!! That's all I really ask for. Good clear
sound and seperation for the instruments.
All of my disc and digital streaming promos since SC have been watermarked.
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True. I think we'll probably get something like that closer to the release date. They don't want to give everything away this early. But I agree, what we got was fantastic.
What did we get exactly? I can't see any reviews apart from the blog post from the listening party that has no info whatsoever.
https://www.bryanreesman.com/2013/07/31/dream-theater-unveils-new-album-2013/
This one has descriptions of a few of the songs and a general description of the overall sound of the album.
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And another one (or won :neverusethis:): https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/dream_theater_listening_party.php?page=2
The comment on the mixing and mastering sounds very promising!
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I don't know if this has been noticed by some of you guys already, but the album cover has been corrected
(https://www.metalinsider.net/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dreamtheaterst1.jpg)
P.S. I'm a newb here, so I don't know if the image will display or not, but it's in the MetalInsider interview to MM.
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Nope. The line is still there
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True. I think we'll probably get something like that closer to the release date. They don't want to give everything away this early. But I agree, what we got was fantastic.
What did we get exactly? I can't see any reviews apart from the blog post from the listening party that has no info whatsoever.
What info do you want really? There were alot of nice nuggetz. :metal
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I don't know if this has been noticed by some of you guys already, but the album cover has been corrected
*pic*
P.S. I'm a newb here, so I don't know if the image will display or not, but it's in the MetalInsider interview to MM.
Welcome!
Yes, someone pointed out about the album cover correction recently, but you posted the original one. The new version looks like this:
(https://assets.network.roadrunnerrecords.com/system/board_posts/post_images/40233/full_DT.New.WEB.Cover.jpg)
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And another one (or won :neverusethis:): https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/dream_theater_listening_party.php?page=2
The comment on the mixing and mastering sounds very promising!
I think that one was posted already.
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And another one (or won :neverusethis:): https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/dream_theater_listening_party.php?page=2
The comment on the mixing and mastering sounds very promising!
I think that one was posted already.
Oh, I didn't read Thematt202's post carefully enough :facepalm: Now I have to apologize to Mosh for pointing out about the noxon 5/8 thing :lol
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Nope. The line is still there
Oh that's true, my monitor's brightness was too low, sorry about that.
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Am I the only one that keeps seeing pictures of Richard Chycki and James and thinking, damn...why not have a Winter Rose reunion?
Oh, I am the only one? Ok, sorry...carry on.
:lol my thoughts exactly.
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Great little interview there from MM! Such a great, positive guy!
Really encouraging to hear his comments regarding his comfort level in the studio and the fact that he wasn't afraid to speak up when he felt he should.
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And another one (or won :neverusethis:): https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/dream_theater_listening_party.php?page=2
The comment on the mixing and mastering sounds very promising!
I think that one was posted already.
Oh, I didn't read Thematt202's post carefully enough :facepalm: Now I have to apologize to Mosh for pointing out about the noxon 5/8 thing :lol
:huh: Not sure what you're talking about. But I'll gladly accept your apology. :biggrin:
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yep guys, the big RR news was Trivium. New song available for free.
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Um, mikemangioy....Your avatar reminds me of a Dalek. Just saying.
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This line:
I hope we play every single stinking note.
And this line:
I’m always finding that one person, and I’m playing for that person.
......I'm totally that one person :neverusethis:
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Man, I really wish DT and Trivium were touring together again. Well, I mean, I kinda don't because (1) I've seen it already, and (2) EVENING WITH! But the timing of the album releases is perfect, and it was such a great tour last ime around.
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And another one (or won :neverusethis:): https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/dream_theater_listening_party.php?page=2
The comment on the mixing and mastering sounds very promising!
I think that one was posted already.
Oh, I didn't read Thematt202's post carefully enough :facepalm: Now I have to apologize to Mosh for pointing out about the noxon 5/8 thing :lol
:huh: Not sure what you're talking about. But I'll gladly accept your apology. :biggrin:
Sorry, I mixed you up with Moor! :blush My brains suck :lol
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Exciting times, everyone. :)
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I keep thinking about this line from the 2nd blog that says that IT is 19min long.
I was promised an over 20 min song, just saying. :yeahright
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Roadrunner Records Nope, but that news is coming soooooooon too.
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Um, mikemangioy....Your avatar reminds me of a Dalek. Just saying.
yeah, it kinda looks like it.
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Dalek? Jeez, I guess i should feel old when the red eye of HAL-9000 isn't clearly identified as such ;)
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Eh, I'll judge the quality of the production/mixing when I hear it. This could easily be another case of "telling them what they want to hear". And of course it's gonna sound great on a sci-fi system like what they had at the listening party.
But hopefully the fact that the Genie is smiling in the pics indicates he's happy with the drum sound.
The "isolated bass, drums, guitar" quote hopefully just means they locked into a really great groove, and roll with it for a little bit without changing it up every 5 seconds.
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Dalek? Jeez, I guess i should feel old when the red eye of HAL-9000 isn't clearly identified as such ;)
And HAL's quote is RIGHT THERE on the picture ::)
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And another
https://www.metalsucks.net/2013/07/31/the-progressive-nation-tour-returns-on-a-boat/
funny enough, the title suggests another topic, but DT took most of it in the end.
*Given that the people from Metal sucks are really brutal towards DT, I can only expect pure gold out of this*
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I keep thinking about this line from the 2nd blog that says that IT is 19min long.
I was promised an over 20 min song, just saying. :yeahright
I noticed that too. What the hell?
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And another
https://www.metalsucks.net/2013/07/31/the-progressive-nation-tour-returns-on-a-boat/
funny enough, the title suggests another topic, but DT took most of it in the end.
*Given that the people from Metal sucks are really brutal towards DT, I can only expect pure gold out of this*
I think for the most part, it's just Axl and your typical Internet Metal Nerd commenters who bash DT, otherwise Vince and most of the other writers actually like DT, if not nearly as much as everyone here :P
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And another one (or won :neverusethis:): https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/dream_theater_listening_party.php?page=2
The comment on the mixing and mastering sounds very promising!
I think that one was posted already.
Oh, I didn't read Thematt202's post carefully enough :facepalm: Now I have to apologize to Mosh for pointing out about the noxon 5/8 thing :lol
:huh: Not sure what you're talking about. But I'll gladly accept your apology. :biggrin:
Sorry, I mixed you up with Moor! :blush My brains suck :lol
Ah okay, that explains it! :lol:
I'll take Genie's word for it, if he says the drums sound good than the drums must sound good.
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I keep thinking about this line from the 2nd blog that says that IT is 19min long.
I was promised an over 20 min song, just saying. :yeahright
I noticed that too. What the hell?
Maybe the RR guys didn't know the exact lengths, so they were just guessing? Either way, you shouldn't be so disappointed - 19 minutes is quite a lot!
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And another
https://www.metalsucks.net/2013/07/31/the-progressive-nation-tour-returns-on-a-boat/
funny enough, the title suggests another topic, but DT took most of it in the end.
*Given that the people from Metal sucks are really brutal towards DT, I can only expect pure gold out of this*
I think for the most part, it's just Axl and your typical Internet Metal Nerd commenters who bash DT, otherwise Vince and most of the other writers actually like DT, if not nearly as much as everyone here :P
I know that's the site's approach, which makes it really funny and entertaining to read... but I could totally see some DT fans get really upset with such comments. I, on the other hand, embrace the "best effort since Train of Thought" comment. Can't wait!
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I keep thinking about this line from the 2nd blog that says that IT is 19min long.
I was promised an over 20 min song, just saying. :yeahright
I noticed that too. What the hell?
Maybe the RR guys didn't know the exact lengths, so they were just guessing? Either way, you shouldn't be so disappointed - 19 minutes is quite a lot!
I'm not disappointed :D
I was jost hoping for a 23-ish min piece.
But what the hell, FF is only 12 min, and it's making me shit my pants every time I listen to it.
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I keep thinking about this line from the 2nd blog that says that IT is 19min long.
I was promised an over 20 min song, just saying. :yeahright
I noticed that too. What the hell?
Oh, come on, don't be a baby. You're literally whining about a one-minute difference.
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I keep thinking about this line from the 2nd blog that says that IT is 19min long.
I was promised an over 20 min song, just saying. :yeahright
I noticed that too. What the hell?
Maybe the RR guys didn't know the exact lengths, so they were just guessing? Either way, you shouldn't be so disappointed - 19 minutes is quite a lot!
Not disappointed. Actually, it makes more sense if most of it is instrumental. I imagine its very similar to, yet shorter than, 8vm
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And another one (or won :neverusethis:): https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/dream_theater_listening_party.php?page=2
The comment on the mixing and mastering sounds very promising!
I think that one was posted already.
Oh, I didn't read Thematt202's post carefully enough :facepalm: Now I have to apologize to Mosh for pointing out about the noxon 5/8 thing :lol
:huh: Not sure what you're talking about. But I'll gladly accept your apology. :biggrin:
Sorry, I mixed you up with Moor! :blush My brains suck :lol
And I thought I was the blindest on this forum today !!! I am relieved :biggrin:
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Maybe the RR guys didn't know the exact lengths, so they were just guessing? Either way, you shouldn't be so disappointed - 19 minutes is quite a lot!
Agreed! We definitely shouldn't complain about a 19 minute tune, still very much looking forward to hearing IT!
I'm not disappointed :D
I was jost hoping for a 23-ish min piece.
But what the hell, FF is only 12 min, and it's making me shit my pants every time I listen to it.
Haha, yep thats the spirit, DT can certainly pack a lot into songs like FF so I'm sure they can pack a lot into 19 minutes as well.
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I keep thinking about this line from the 2nd blog that says that IT is 19min long.
I was promised an over 20 min song, just saying. :yeahright
lol
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Here we go again. :facepalm:
Some people get way too caught up in lengths.
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they got caught in a web.
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Here we go again. :facepalm:
Some people get way too caught up in lengths.
Let the speculation begin... what's the real length of PMU? you know since it got cut off...
sorry had to do it :)
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Not to make a big deal out of this, but if TCoT isn't generally classified as an epic like ACoS and 8vm, will Illumination Theory be counted in their ranks?
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I'm sure Illumination Theory will be counted, mostly because of how the song is divided into several parts.
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Not to make a big deal out of this, but if TCoT isn't generally classified as an epic like ACoS and 8vm, will Illumination Theory be counted in their ranks?
Wait a sec, TCOT isn't considered an epic???
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So is the first track, and I doubt that's an epic...
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I keep thinking about this line from the 2nd blog that says that IT is 19min long.
I was promised an over 20 min song, just saying. :yeahright
I noticed that too. What the hell?
Maybe the RR guys didn't know the exact lengths, so they were just guessing? Either way, you shouldn't be so disappointed - 19 minutes is quite a lot!
Maybe they thought the intro was long and pointless and shaved a minute off of that? Anyway as ? said, 19 mins is plenty enough!
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If being divided into several parts is a factor into what counts as epic, well.... ;)
Trial of Tears
and
False Awakening ;)
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Maybe the RR guys didn't know the exact lengths, so they were just guessing? Either way, you shouldn't be so disappointed - 19 minutes is quite a lot!
My guess is, someone saw the song was 19 minutes, then they rounded up and passed it on to someone, saying, "20 minutes," then that person thought 20 meant over 20, and ended up informing us wrong as a sort of broken telephone situation.
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Here we go again. :facepalm:
Some people get way too caught up in lengths.
Yeah, guys, it's not that important. :neverusethis:
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Not to make a big deal out of this, but if TCoT isn't generally classified as an epic like ACoS and 8vm, will Illumination Theory be counted in their ranks?
maybe because TCOT doesn't have distinct sections. Actually now that I think about it, it does. Just for fun I'm gonna give them titles.
I.The Arriving (0:00-3:20)
II.The Meeting (3:20-10:56)
III.Arfraid (10:56-14:17)
IV.Realization (14:17-19:17)
It makes sense that IT is 19 mins, now even more, because there are five parts, and this is four, one part even lasts 7 mins so it fits. The other three minutes will be the Easter Egg definetly.
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Not to make a big deal out of this, but if TCoT isn't generally classified as an epic like ACoS and 8vm, will Illumination Theory be counted in their ranks?
I think it's a combination of two factors; length and whether or not it's divided into different sections. ACoS and 8vm have a bunch of smaller movements put together as one song, where TCoT feels more a more unified piece. Not to mention that atmospheric guitar thing in the middle that adds 3 minutes to the piece. Without that it's not much longer than ANTR.
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Not to make a big deal out of this, but if TCoT isn't generally classified as an epic like ACoS and 8vm, will Illumination Theory be counted in their ranks?
maybe because TCOT doesn't have distinct sections. Actually now that I think about it, it does. Just for fun I'm gonna give them titles.
I.The Arriving (0:00-3:20)
II.The Meeting (3:20-10:56)
III.Arfraid (10:56-14:17)
IV.Realization (14:17-19:17)
It makes sense that IT is 19 mins, now even more, because there are five parts, and this is four, one part even lasts 7 mins so it fits. The other three minutes will be the Easter Egg definetly.
The easter egg is the scat, being played by Rudess using SampleWiz... obviously
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Not to make a big deal out of this, but if TCoT isn't generally classified as an epic like ACoS and 8vm, will Illumination Theory be counted in their ranks?
maybe because TCOT doesn't have distinct sections. Actually now that I think about it, it does. Just for fun I'm gonna give them titles.
I.The Arriving (0:00-3:20)
II.The Meeting (3:20-10:56)
III.Arfraid (10:56-14:17)
IV.Realization (14:17-19:17)
It makes sense that IT is 19 mins, now even more, because there are five parts, and this is four, one part even lasts 7 mins so it fits. The other three minutes will be the Easter Egg definetly.
The easter egg is the scat, being played by Rudess using SampleWiz... obviously
i'm imagining the tour. they'll probably play IT as the last song, and then like out of nowhere
BASSADABOOMBOOM BEEE WONG WEWEGANGAN BADABOBOMBOBOM BEEE :lol :lol
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Maybe the RR guys didn't know the exact lengths, so they were just guessing? Either way, you shouldn't be so disappointed - 19 minutes is quite a lot!
My guess is, someone saw the song was 19 minutes, then they rounded up and passed it on to someone, saying, "20 minutes," then that person thought 20 meant over 20, and ended up informing us wrong as a sort of broken telephone situation.
That's plausible and I wouldn't be surprised if it was true :lol
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If Illumination Theory isn't at least 25 minutes long I'm burning all my DT albums.
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I.Arrival (0:00-3:20)
II.Omigosh (3:20-10:56)
III. Rampant Paranoia (10:56-14:17)
IV. Oh IIIIIII'm Silly (14:17-19:17)
Fixed them for me :lol
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Here we go again. :facepalm:
Some people get way too caught up in lengths.
Yeah, guys, it's not that important. :neverusethis:
That's not what SHE said!
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Maybe the RR guys didn't know the exact lengths, so they were just guessing? Either way, you shouldn't be so disappointed - 19 minutes is quite a lot!
My guess is, someone saw the song was 19 minutes, then they rounded up and passed it on to someone, saying, "20 minutes," then that person thought 20 meant over 20, and ended up informing us wrong as a sort of broken telephone situation.
That's plausible and I wouldn't be surprised if it was true :lol
Thisor the song has a three minute long featureless coda like LosingTime/GF.
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...or it may end with the Easter egg :justjen
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...or it may end with the Easter egg :justjen
Yes, that's the best guess! 19 minute song, silence and then the egg of wonders :D
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It's going to be a reprise of Day After Day
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Dalek? Jeez, I guess i should feel old when the red eye of HAL-9000 isn't clearly identified as such ;)
And HAL's quote is RIGHT THERE on the picture ::)
Guys, guys, I know what HAL 9000 is. Daleks don't even have red eyestalks, to begin with. It's just the shape of it. Not to mention, Daleks predate HAL 9000 by a few years (on-screen, anyway, not including Clarke's books!). Saying that something with HAL looks like something from Doctor Who potentially shouldn't make you feel any older than normal since Doctor Who is just as old.
Gah. I'm talking about Doctor Who on the DT forum....
*runs to gallifreybase to talk about Dream Theater to an unsuspecting Doctor Who fan*
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INB4 115 pages.
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inb4 single's out (one can wish)
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If Illumination Theory isn't at least 25 minutes long I'm burning all my DT albums.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7628_1374079222.jpeg)
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Wait, so the opener is instrumental, there's an instrumental among the main tracks and the epic is predominantly instrumental?
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interview with the genie about the new album
https://www.metalinsider.net/interviews/mike-mangini-on-new-dream-theater-album-i-knew-when-to-be-quiet-and-when-to-offer-something
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Dalek? Jeez, I guess i should feel old when the red eye of HAL-9000 isn't clearly identified as such ;)
And HAL's quote is RIGHT THERE on the picture ::)
Gah. I'm talking about Doctor Who on the DT forum....
*runs to gallifreybase to talk about Dream Theater to an unsuspecting Doctor Who fan*
For what it's worth, I can heartily recommend talking about Doctor Who on the DT forum specifically because it's not Gallifrey Base.
I swear, if I hear about DWO's pre-announcement one more time...
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It's going to be a reprise of Day After Day
Is it Night After Night?
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Wait, so the opener is instrumental, there's an instrumental among the main tracks and the epic is predominantly instrumental?
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5928673/lol.png)
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What's that even supposed to mean?
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What's that even supposed to mean?
:facepalm:
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I don't know why people are complaining about it being "19 minutes". It's not like they saw the actual track lengths that Noxon has confirmed, with Illumination Theory at 22 minutes. What if the song just felt like 19 minutes for the person?
Also at the old "review" that was apparently rehashed with a bit of information (BCSL).. He called the first song an "epic" when we know it's only 2 minutes long. Yeah, that was fake.
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I don't know why people are complaining about it being "19 minutes". It's not like they saw the actual track lengths that Noxon has confirmed, with Illumination Theory at 22 minutes. What if the song just felt like 19 minutes for the person?
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Noxon actually confirmed those lengths. I thought he just said they 'looked right' to him, but that he didn't have his copy in front of him. Maybe I missed another post, though.
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I'll reword my question for Joshing U.
"What's that even supposed to mean in the context of what I posted originally?"
Better?
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I'll reword my question for Joshing U.
"What's that even supposed to mean in the context of what I posted originally?"
Better?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/xzibit-yo-dawg
Your post about the predominance of instrumentals on the album reads a little bit like something that would go with that meme.
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So the epic is the instrumental?? Not sure how I feel about that....
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Wait, so the opener is instrumental, there's an instrumental among the main tracks and the epic is predominantly instrumental?
Not that surprised, given the lengths of the other tracks. With a bunch of 5-7 minute tracks, its hard to imagine many of them have drawn out instrumental sections the length of, for example, Learning to Live, or The Dark Eternal Night. I'd say that the amount of instrumental vs. vocals will be about the same as past albums, even if its distributed differently.
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So the epic is the instrumental?? Not sure how I feel about that....
It is not. It is just predominantly instrumental (like the usual DT epic, I'd say).
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I'll reword my question for Joshing U.
"What's that even supposed to mean in the context of what I posted originally?"
Better?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/xzibit-yo-dawg
Your post about the predominance of instrumentals on the album reads a little bit like something that would go with that meme.
Thanks RuRoRul! Just trying to laugh a bit about it...
Back on topic, I agree with Lucien, I really think that 19 minute statement was more about how it felt at the moment, or like they said, there's a big intro that wasn't count as part of the actual song. Regardless, 19 minutes of epic music should satisfy anyone's epicosity hunger... right?
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Offical Listening Party Review from last night.
https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/dream_theater_listening_party.php
From Linda Leseman..Village Voice. Interesting. Enjoy.
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LOL at first I was like "who is that woman standing between John, James, Jordan, and John?"
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LOL at first I was like "who is that woman standing between John, James, Jordan, and John?"
"She's kinda cute..."
*Notices it's Mike*
"I regret nothing" :hat
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(The mixing and mastering are worth noting, as well, for their superiority and for not succumbing much to the modish "loudness war".)
Let's hope so!
EDIT: Wait, doesn't this album have the same mixer as Clockwork Angels? :facepalm:
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When my eyes first scanned the page, I thought for a nano second..."Damn, Steve Perry was th...no wait...thats Mike."
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For what it's worth, I can heartily recommend talking about Doctor Who on the DT forum specifically because it's not Gallifrey Base.
I swear, if I hear about DWO's pre-announcement one more time...
Hmm? To what pre-announcement are you referring?
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Wait, so the opener is instrumental, there's an instrumental among the main tracks and the epic is predominantly instrumental?
Not that surprised, given the lengths of the other tracks. With a bunch of 5-7 minute tracks, its hard to imagine many of them have drawn out instrumental sections the length of, for example, Learning to Live, or The Dark Eternal Night. I'd say that the amount of instrumental vs. vocals will be about the same as past albums, even if its distributed differently.
Good point.
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(The mixing and mastering are worth noting, as well, for their superiority and for not succumbing much to the modish "loudness war".)
Let's hope so!
EDIT: Wait, doesn't this album have the same mixer as Clockwork Angels? :facepalm:
Haha! Well lets hope that this writer got it right and this record is a step forward sonically for both the band and Rich!
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I wish the RR announcement schedule timeline was public. It would prevent sooooo much speculation and second guessing! Even if it was just days on a calendar marked as "announcement/news" days with no specifics.
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I wish the RR announcement schedule timeline was public. It would prevent sooooo much speculation and second guessing!
That's half the fun though!
Edit: but the fun is killing me at the moment
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I suppose so! Hope that damn single comes soon, that's all I'll need to tide me over until 24th September.
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Offical Listening Party Review from last night.
https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/07/dream_theater_listening_party.php
From Linda Leseman..Village Voice. Interesting. Enjoy.
Thanks, but it was posted several pages ago. :P
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Man, you guys are such buzzkills! We get in-studio videos/photos, tweets, album art, track titles, mini reviews and people still complain about "silence" and not enough information.
Now we get some tentative lengths and people bitch about those. It's one thing to analyze and critique them, it's another to get bent out of shape about it.
Be positive, people. We have a new DT album on our hands!
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Man, you guys are such buzzkills! We get in-studio videos/photos, tweets, album art, track titles, mini reviews and people still complain about "silence" and not enough information.
Now we get some tentative lengths and people bitch about those. It's one thing to analyze and critique them, it's another to get bent out of shape about it.
Be positive, people. We'll have a new DT album on our hands! SOON
FIXED :lol
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Erm. So,any news when I was gone?
nah prob not.
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Man, you guys are such buzzkills! We get in-studio videos/photos, tweets, album art, track titles, mini reviews and people still complain about "silence" and not enough information.
Now we get some tentative lengths and people bitch about those. It's one thing to analyze and critique them, it's another to get bent out of shape about it.
Be positive, people. We have a new DT album on our hands!
:tup
I wasn't a fan until shortly before Portnoy left the band, so I don't know what pre album releases was like then, but y'all must've been seriously spoiled. I'm thrilled with all the in-studio videos, pictures, tweets and all the cool previews we get. Like seriously, very few bands do that. My favorite band is Iron Maiden and when it comes time for them to release an album, we get the artwork and tracklist in one go and that's it. Album announced in May and we wait until August to actually hear the album. Nothing in between. DT and RR do such a great job with trying to give the fans info and make them happy and people bitch anyway. It has to be disheartening to them. "Everything is never enough".
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(https://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/IMG_1217.JPG)
JP and JLBs eyes made me :rollin
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Well, I'm not really supposed to give out any information about the schedule, but since you guys keep asking, I guess I can share the following: The next bit of officially-released information is scheduled for August.
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That's.... somewhat non-specific. :P
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(The mixing and mastering are worth noting, as well, for their superiority and for not succumbing much to the modish "loudness war".)
Let's hope so!
EDIT: Wait, doesn't this album have the same mixer as Clockwork Angels? :facepalm:
Nope. Richard Chycki was a recording engineer on Clockwork Angels, but it was mixed by Nick Raskulinecz and mastered by Brian Gardner. Nick Raskulinecz also produced, and I remember reading in an interview somewhere that he pushed for the louder sound.
Whereas, Rich did the actual mixing on this album.
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Well, I'm not really supposed to give out any information about the schedule, but since you guys keep asking, I guess I can share the following: The next bit of officially-released information is scheduled for August.
:lol
It's August in 1.5 hours here, but I'm sure that's not what you meant ;p
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Well, I'm not really supposed to give out any information about the schedule, but since you guys keep asking, I guess I can share the following: The next bit of officially-released information is scheduled for August.
Good that August is SOON
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Well, I'm not really supposed to give out any information about the schedule, but since you guys keep asking, I guess I can share the following: The next bit of officially-released information is scheduled for August.
(https://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37079616.jpg)
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Thanks, Bosk! :tup
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:corn
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That sounds like we're getting some info soon.
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:bosky:
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Okay, guys, I can also confirm that we will hear at least part of the album at some point in September.
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:corn
What's your time zone anyway Lord Bozk? I need to know how soon is soon
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Okay, guys, I can also confirm that we will hear at least part of the album at some point in September.
r u authorized?
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(The mixing and mastering are worth noting, as well, for their superiority and for not succumbing much to the modish "loudness war".)
Let's hope so!
EDIT: Wait, doesn't this album have the same mixer as Clockwork Angels? :facepalm:
Nope. Richard Chycki was a recording engineer on Clockwork Angels, but it was mixed by Nick Raskulinecz and mastered by Brian Gardner. Nick Raskulinecz also produced, and I remember reading in an interview somewhere that he pushed for the louder sound.
Whereas, Rich did the actual mixing on this album.
I figured someone would come in and tell me what's what. Thank you. :)
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So it also said the album is an hour long... Anyone got any complaints? Also what if IT is 18:59?
Jeez lighten up people... We've been spoiled.
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Yeah, I really don't understand complaining about the length of a song we haven't even heard yet.
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Well, I'm not really supposed to give out any information about the schedule, but since you guys keep asking, I guess I can share the following: The next bit of officially-released information is scheduled for August.
(https://i.imagebanana.com/img/lsmyjr4i/IMG_20130731_110605.jpg)
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Well, I'm not really supposed to give out any information about the schedule, but since you guys keep asking, I guess I can share the following: The next bit of officially-released information is scheduled for August.
(https://i.imagebanana.com/img/lsmyjr4i/IMG_20130731_110605.jpg)
:lol
Haha, LaBrie & Chyki --> same beard :D
Actually, Rich's 'stache is a bit thinner than James'.
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Man, you guys are such buzzkills! We get in-studio videos/photos, tweets, album art, track titles, mini reviews and people still complain about "silence" and not enough information.
Now we get some tentative lengths and people bitch about those. It's one thing to analyze and critique them, it's another to get bent out of shape about it.
Be positive, people. We have a new DT album on our hands!
:tup
I wasn't a fan until shortly before Portnoy left the band, so I don't know what pre album releases was like then, but y'all must've been seriously spoiled. I'm thrilled with all the in-studio videos, pictures, tweets and all the cool previews we get. Like seriously, very few bands do that. My favorite band is Iron Maiden and when it comes time for them to release an album, we get the artwork and tracklist in one go and that's it. Album announced in May and we wait until August to actually hear the album. Nothing in between. DT and RR do such a great job with trying to give the fans info and make them happy and people bitch anyway. It has to be disheartening to them. "Everything is never enough".
I agree. It' gets fuckin' ridiculous.
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Man, you guys are such buzzkills! We get in-studio videos/photos, tweets, album art, track titles, mini reviews and people still complain about "silence" and not enough information.
Now we get some tentative lengths and people bitch about those. It's one thing to analyze and critique them, it's another to get bent out of shape about it.
Be positive, people. We have a new DT album on our hands!
I'm as impatient as anyone- waiting for albums like this kills me, (dons pipe and slippers) but then I remember "the old days" when the first us fogeys knew about a new album was often when we thumbed through the new releases box at the local record shop.
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Well, I'm not really supposed to give out any information about the schedule, but since you guys keep asking, I guess I can share the following: The next bit of officially-released information is scheduled for August.
(https://i.imagebanana.com/img/lsmyjr4i/IMG_20130731_110605.jpg)
(https://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1787/8b0w.jpg)
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Tomorrow is August 1st. And they have announced stuff on thurdays in the past so...
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You know, I'm just going to assume that we'll get absolutely no updates or singles or anything until the album comes out. That way, if something does come along, it's a pleasant surprise.
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Indeed I've been considering the idea of the single (confirm) not seeing the light before a week or two prior to the release date of the record. I don't know why, but it seems that the trend of this promotional campaign is to delay as much as possible the details about the music to preserve the full impact of the album.
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I'm going to assume that tomorrow we'll get several posts saying "Where is my goddamn august 1st update? ahhhhhhhh!" :lol
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I am far less excited about this album than i was before after reading "there is a slightly more mainstream slant to the album" and "some of the new material is more commercial friendly." They added "in a good way," but I have no idea what that exactly means other than that the writer likes it.
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I am far less excited about this album than i was before after reading "there is a slightly more mainstream slant to the album" and "some of the new material is more commercial friendly." They added "in a good way," but I have no idea what that exactly means other than that the writer likes it.
I interpret that as meaning that it's more accessible to non dream theater/prog metal fans (for instance).
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I am far less excited about this album than i was before after reading "there is a slightly more mainstream slant to the album" and "some of the new material is more commercial friendly." They added "in a good way," but I have no idea what that exactly means other than that the writer likes it.
I interpret that as meaning that it's more accessible to non dream theater/prog metal fans (for instance).
I figured that much....and that is what I am worried about.
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I interpret that as meaning the same thing as when the exact same thing has been said about every other Dream Theater release I can remember: precisely not much.
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Didn't MM say he cut his hair?
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One of my biggest problems with ADTOE was the overuse of orchestral and choral keyboards. On OTBOA it was okay. But on all the other songs it felt too overbearing and took away from the rock-ness of it. Especially on BMUBMD, which, if it had been more of a full on rocker without those keyboards on the chorus, I think it would've been better.
So, if being "more accessible" means that the songs have more melodic and riff driven, straight forward rock/metal tendencies, then I'm all for it. I'm sure they'll still have plenty of time changes, and impressive, technical bits.
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One of my biggest problems with ADTOE was the overuse of orchestral and choral keyboards. On OTBOA it was okay. But on all the other songs it felt too overbearing and took away from the rock-ness of it. Especially on BMUBMD, which, if it had been more of a full on rocker without those keyboards on the chorus, I think it would've been better.
So, if being "more accessible" means that the songs have more melodic and riff driven, straight forward rock/metal tendencies, then I'm all for it. I'm sure they'll still have plenty of time changes, and impressive, technical bits.
Being an old Yes fan and liking that type of prog, I really liked the orchestral stuff on ADTOE.
I think the biggest issue DT will always have is the prog guys aren't necessarily all that thrilled with the metal and the metal guys like it hard and rough.... no violins. So there's always something that somebody won't like that much.
Fortunately for me, I love prog, metal, and classical. So I'm all set unless they break out the polka.
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Being an old Yes fan and liking that type of prog, I really liked the orchestral stuff on ADTOE.
I think the biggest issue DT will always have is the prog guys aren't necessarily all that thrilled with the metal and the metal guys like it hard and rough.... no violins. So there's always something that somebody won't like that much.
Fortunately for me, I love prog, metal, and classical. So I'm all set unless they break out the polka.
I like prog. I'm a big fan of Styx, Kansas, Rush. Haven't heard much Yes, but I like orchestral stuff, like what they did on Octavarium. I just don't really like the way it was used on ADTOE. BMUBMD was the biggest issue for me. But I think the bigger issue was just how big and layered it was, not the sheer fact that it was orchestral. I liked the way those aspects were used on Outcry, though. But considering the length of the songs on DT12, none of them are going to be big Outcry-like epics.
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Especially on BMUBMD, which, if it had been more of a full on rocker without those keyboards on the chorus, I think it would've been better.
But the keyboards in the chorus MAKES IT Dream Theater! I like it.
All these words like "mainstream" and "catchy" worry me about the new album.
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More catchy and mainstream means more like Octavarium. My favourite album :)
;D ;D
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But the keyboards in the chorus MAKES IT Dream Theater! I like it.
Without it, yes, the song would've had a much more Industrial sort of feel, but when the song first started and that's how it came off, that's what I liked about it. The way the song starts was different from anything DT has ever done, and I was excited about that. And it's still one of the most different songs in DT's catalogue, IMO, up there with Solitary Shell and TDEN, but I just don't like that chorus. Maybe it was dissonance, or whatever, (I'm not sure about the exact music terminology), but maybe if the chorus was more melodic and the keyboards harmonized with the vocals, I would've liked it better. But as it is, it just sounds messy to me.
But when I think about "Mainstream" and "Catchy" in the context of Dream Theater, I think of songs like These Walls, Solitary Shell and Hollow Years, and if it's like that, I think I'm going to enjoy it quite a bit.
More catchy and mainstream means more like Octavarium. My favourite album :)
;D ;D
Not my favorite, but if it's like that, I think I'll enjoy it. I just hope we're not going to get a bunch of, "Which song is which in parallel to Octavarium?" The way people did with ADTOE and I&W.
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I never bought that junk for a second.
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Poor guy!
Can't wait to hear it though. It's gonna kick ass! :metal
Edit I know this can go in the Funny Pics thread too, but I thought it related better to the new album :lol
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Speaking of which, am I the only one who would just love to have about 6 - 7 minutes of an extended Bass solo on the new tour? I mean, JP and JR did it plenty of times on previous tours. And last tour, they had MM do a drum solo, for obvious reasons. But I've never heard a live album with a "John Myung Bass Solo" track. I think it's about time.
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Not my favorite, but if it's like that, I think I'll enjoy it. I just hope we're not going to get a bunch of, "Which song is which in parallel to Octavarium?" The way people did with ADTOE and I&W.
I personally enjoyed drawing those parallels ::)
Also I think the words like "accessible" are just being thrown around because the album consists mostly of 5-7 minute songs, as opposed to the usual 10+ minute songs on most DT albums. I doubt they're going the mainstream route at all (not considering the inevitable mainstream attempt that's present on pretty much every DT album, i.e. I Walk Beside You, Forsaken, Wither), at least it isn't something to be worried about. After all, we have IT to look forward to.
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One of my biggest problems with ADTOE was the overuse of orchestral and choral keyboards. On OTBOA it was okay. But on all the other songs it felt too overbearing and took away from the rock-ness of it. Especially on BMUBMD, which, if it had been more of a full on rocker without those keyboards on the chorus, I think it would've been better.
So, if being "more accessible" means that the songs have more melodic and riff driven, straight forward rock/metal tendencies, then I'm all for it. I'm sure they'll still have plenty of time changes, and impressive, technical bits.
I highly doubt he meant "more accessible" in such a way. If anything, he probably meant "more accessible" as in more like BMUBMD as a whole. That being said, I too will be absolutely thrilled if the new album sounds nothing like BMUBMD.
Right now, the single will be important to me in deciding which version to order. I was hoping for a continuation of ADToE, but I don't think I'm going to get that based upon this article.
Also:
You are not alone in hoping for a bass solo on the tour. We get so many guitar and keyboard solos, and never any bass. It'd be nice to hear this change on tour or on the album. I think it would be a breath of fresh air to let Myung take a solo. This band has an excellent bass player. Why not?
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Not my favorite, but if it's like that, I think I'll enjoy it. I just hope we're not going to get a bunch of, "Which song is which in parallel to Octavarium?" The way people did with ADTOE and I&W.
I personally enjoyed drawing those parallels ::)
I think things like that give people the impression that the album lacks its own identity, though. Yeah, I saw some parallels in certain aspects, but musically it wasn't like I&W 2.0, and I highly doubt this will be Sedecimarium.
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Speaking of which, am I the only one who would just love to have about 6 - 7 minutes of an extended Bass solo on the new tour? I mean, JP and JR did it plenty of times on previous tours. And last tour, they had MM do a drum solo, for obvious reasons. But I've never heard a live album with a "John Myung Bass Solo" track. I think it's about time.
I'd love to see a drum/bass duo myself
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Speaking of which, am I the only one who would just love to have about 6 - 7 minutes of an extended Bass solo on the new tour? I mean, JP and JR did it plenty of times on previous tours. And last tour, they had MM do a drum solo, for obvious reasons. But I've never heard a live album with a "John Myung Bass Solo" track. I think it's about time.
They need to have one as an intro to a song. Songs they could prelude with a bass solo and have it work very well IMo are: LSoaD, Scarred, maybe TGP and AIA.
I don't want to comment on whether I like the song lengths or not, since I won't know if they work for the song or not until I hear the album. Ad for the August "update", tomorrow would be cool, but I can wait. We've waited lots before and we've survived!
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Speaking of which, am I the only one who would just love to have about 6 - 7 minutes of an extended Bass solo on the new tour? I mean, JP and JR did it plenty of times on previous tours. And last tour, they had MM do a drum solo, for obvious reasons. But I've never heard a live album with a "John Myung Bass Solo" track. I think it's about time.
I'd love to see a drum/bass duo myself
Well, of course, it could be garnished with other instruments, like the extended solo section on Beyond This Life on LAB.
EDIT: By the way, I just glanced in the fact finding thread, and shouldn't the album cover be switched for the non-cut off version, that's on the official website now?
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Being an old Yes fan and liking that type of prog, I really liked the orchestral stuff on ADTOE.
I think the biggest issue DT will always have is the prog guys aren't necessarily all that thrilled with the metal and the metal guys like it hard and rough.... no violins. So there's always something that somebody won't like that much.
Fortunately for me, I love prog, metal, and classical. So I'm all set unless they break out the polka.
I like prog. I'm a big fan of Styx, Kansas, Rush. Haven't heard much Yes, but I like orchestral stuff, like what they did on Octavarium. I just don't really like the way it was used on ADTOE. BMUBMD was the biggest issue for me. But I think the bigger issue was just how big and layered it was, not the sheer fact that it was orchestral. I liked the way those aspects were used on Outcry, though. But considering the length of the songs on DT12, none of them are going to be big Outcry-like epics.
You can't say that just yet. Disk 2 on SDOIT is loaded with short tunes but they all run together into a big cohesive epic. JP said they put special effort into making sure the songs blended into each other on this album so it's possible that it might seem like 1 big song. We won't know until we hear it.
As to your comment on outcry, I feel the same way. It's totally based in classical structure and it's awesome.
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Not my favorite, but if it's like that, I think I'll enjoy it. I just hope we're not going to get a bunch of, "Which song is which in parallel to Octavarium?" The way people did with ADTOE and I&W.
I personally enjoyed drawing those parallels ::)
I think things like that give people the impression that the album lacks its own identity, though. Yeah, I saw some parallels in certain aspects, but musically it wasn't like I&W 2.0, and I highly doubt this will be Sedecimarium.
My thoughts exactly. I'm starting to feel like this DT album isn't going to really sound like any album before it, as in I don't think we're going to hear a song and be like "this could totally be in Octavarium" or something. That being said it's still most likely going to be DT no matter what.
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Not my favorite, but if it's like that, I think I'll enjoy it. I just hope we're not going to get a bunch of, "Which song is which in parallel to Octavarium?" The way people did with ADTOE and I&W.
I personally enjoyed drawing those parallels ::)
I think things like that give people the impression that the album lacks its own identity, though. Yeah, I saw some parallels in certain aspects, but musically it wasn't like I&W 2.0, and I highly doubt this will be Sedecimarium.
My thoughts exactly. I'm starting to feel like this DT album isn't going to really sound like any album before it, as in I don't think we're going to hear a song and be like "this could totally be in Octavarium" or something. That being said it's still most likely going to be DT no matter what.
I certainly hope you are right. A second Octavarium would be like reliving my worst nightmare. The release of the single will answer a lot of questions, I think.
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Boolsheet you're back! :metal
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Boolsheet you're back! :metal
Surprised anyone seems happy to see me! ;D
The pre-release excitement has brought me back for a bit.
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Looking forward to hearing more of your opinions about which DT songs are best and worst, bool.
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Looking forward to hearing more of your opinions about which DT songs are best and worst, bool.
I sense some sarcasm :laugh:
Obviously, I will be sharing my opinion/review of the album once it's released, like everyone else.
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Speaking of which, am I the only one who would just love to have about 6 - 7 minutes of an extended Bass solo on the new tour? I mean, JP and JR did it plenty of times on previous tours. And last tour, they had MM do a drum solo, for obvious reasons. But I've never heard a live album with a "John Myung Bass Solo" track. I think it's about time.
I'd love to see a drum/bass duo myself
Are you reading this Myung and Mangini? DO IT
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Something occurred to me earlier. On the progress chart DT had, there was a column for "guests". Have we decided that this referred to the orchestra, or is it something else?
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DT posts the new album artwork, and DTF freaks out for several dozens of pages on how fucked up the cover looks.
Then, when someone posts the corrected and fished artwork, NO ONE comments on it.
Only at DTF........
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More catchy and mainstream means more like Octavarium. My favourite album :)
;D ;D
Once again we agree. :tup Everything so far points more to Octavarium than anything else. This has me beyond stoked.
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I like a lot the idea they're focusing on shorter song forms this time. It reminds me of the I&W days (inb4 THOSE ARE THE ADTOE DAYS BECAUSE THOSE ALBUMS ARE TEH SAME LOL THIAGLOL) where the songs practically set the standard for Dream Theater's music and didn't necessarily had to feature a keyboard solo, followed by a guitar solo and followed by a unison. I love that the listening party reviews point towards a Rush-esque type of approach in some of the songs, this is something I've missed from the early DT. True, I love their metal side and I love Train of Thought, but I wanna see some of that good-hearted ole prog rock back on track.
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The Rush thing is interesting. Nothing DT has done in recent history has struck me as sounding like Rush at all, so I'm interested in hearing what that will sound like. It's also interesting because the song titles seemed Rush-y to me and a few other DTF'ers as well.
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Nothing DT has done in recent history has struck me as sounding like Rush at all
Not even The Best of Times?
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The Rush thing is interesting. Nothing DT has done in recent history has struck me as sounding like Rush at all, so I'm interested in hearing what that will sound like. It's also interesting because the song titles seemed Rush-y to me and a few other DTF'ers as well.
In WDADU, the Rush influence is super present (even Dominici's vocal style back then was Rush-esque).
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The Rush thing is interesting. Nothing DT has done in recent history has struck me as sounding like Rush at all, so I'm interested in hearing what that will sound like. It's also interesting because the song titles seemed Rush-y to me and a few other DTF'ers as well.
In WDADU, the Rush influence is super present (even Dominici's vocal style back then was Rush-esque).
I would argue that parts of TCOT and TBOT are Rush-influenced.
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DT posts the new album artwork, and DTF freaks out for several dozens of pages on how fucked up the cover looks.
Then, when someone posts the corrected and fished artwork, NO ONE comments on it.
Only at DTF........
This is all old news. We had a separate thread, and the fixed artwork was posted a couple weeks ago.
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The Rush thing is interesting. Nothing DT has done in recent history has struck me as sounding like Rush at all, so I'm interested in hearing what that will sound like. It's also interesting because the song titles seemed Rush-y to me and a few other DTF'ers as well.
In WDADU, the Rush influence is super present (even Dominici's vocal style back then was Rush-esque).
I would argue that parts of TCOT and TBOT are Rush-influenced.
TBOT more than anything, that guitar intro line is an enormous tribute to The Spirit of Radio.
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In WDADU, the Rush influence is super present (even Dominici's vocal style back then was Rush-esque).
Agreed.
Not even The Best of Times?
Ah, knew I was forgetting something. Yeah, the upbeat part of that song does sound a lot like Rush. But that's one song among many.
I would argue that parts of TCOT and TBOT are Rush-influenced.
TCOT doesn't really sound anything like Rush.
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TCOT doesn't really sound anything like Rush.
The entire intro of TCOT sounds like a Rush wankfest to me and same thing with the intro for TOWHTSTS. Not saying there is anything wrong with them. I love those parts and they just both really remind me of Rush.
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DT posts the new album artwork, and DTF freaks out for several dozens of pages on how fucked up the cover looks.
Then, when someone posts the corrected and fished artwork, NO ONE comments on it.
Only at DTF........
This is all old news. We had a separate thread, and the fixed artwork was posted a couple weeks ago.
Sorry, lol, I don't spend as much time as I'd like on the internet, especially when the thread has 10-15 new pages a day, most of which are filled with useless garbage.
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https://www.bryanreesman.com/2013/07/31/dream-theater-unveils-new-album-2013/
Referring to the link above: I ask myself why they chose this album to be the first one that's being played via a listening party..and the article gives the answer: it's more mainstream, and they knew it, and I don't like it
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Wait a second. Are we already criticizing the new album for being too mainstream 2 months before it's even out?? :mehlin
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Wait a second. Are we already criticizing the new album for being too mainstream 2 months before it's even out?? :mehlin
Exactly
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Wait a second. Are we already criticizing the new album for being too mainstream 2 months before it's even out?? :mehlin
Honestly, I find it a bit on the annoying side that people are doing that. I see nothing wrong that it might end up being more accessible, because not only does it not really matter to me how "avante-garde" the music is, given that if I like it, I like it, but some might not even agree about the accessibility once they listen to it! :lolpalm:
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Dream Theater has always incorporated accessible elements. Having a listening party isn't about being mainstream, it's just about publicity and marketing. It's basically another reason for sites to get some early news out there about the album. It's a fairly typical thing for bands to do these days, and I think DT are just keeping up with that trend.
If a 70 minute album with a 20 minute epic, and one or two instrumentals is considered more mainstream, then I'll take it!
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Dream Theater has always incorporated accessible elements. Having a listening party isn't about being mainstream, it's just about publicity and marketing. It's basically another reason for sites to get some early news out there about the album. It's a fairly typical thing for bands to do these days, and I think DT are just keeping up with that trend.
If a 70 minute album with a 20 minute epic, and one or two instrumentals is considered more mainstream, then I'll take it!
Seriously. I don't care what the style is as long as it sounds good. Last time they went overboard with the technical stuff we got SC, I'd rather have a more "mainstream" sounding album than a repeat of that.
Wait a second. Are we already criticizing the new album for being too mainstream 2 months before it's even out?? :mehlin
Exactly
Why don't you wait for the album to come out and then form an opinion on it? Criticizing music you haven't even listened to is silly.
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The Rush thing is interesting. Nothing DT has done in recent history has struck me as sounding like Rush at all, so I'm interested in hearing what that will sound like. It's also interesting because the song titles seemed Rush-y to me and a few other DTF'ers as well.
Really? Rush is by far DT's biggest influence.
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The Rush thing is interesting. Nothing DT has done in recent history has struck me as sounding like Rush at all, so I'm interested in hearing what that will sound like. It's also interesting because the song titles seemed Rush-y to me and a few other DTF'ers as well.
Yeah, but come on. Nothing RUSH has done in recent history has struck me as sounding like Rush at all. :lol
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I like prog. I'm a big fan of Styx, Kansas, Rush. Haven't heard much Yes, but I like orchestral stuff, like what they did on Octavarium.
f u dis is not prog dis porgressive
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I like prog. I'm a big fan of Styx, Kansas, Rush. Haven't heard much Yes, but I like orchestral stuff, like what they did on Octavarium.
f u dis is not prog dis porgressive
I really, REALLY hope that's a joke post. :|
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It very much is ;)
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It very much is ;)
Phew! Wow... You had me! :hat
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Can someone please tell me what page of this thread it was when noxon supposedly 'confirmed' track lengths?
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"Their 12th release — the fourth with Roadrunner Records overall and their second with drummer Mike Mangini — is an hour-long, nine-song opus that harkens back to the melodic, slightly more traditional songwriting of their early days and meshes it with the chops, speed and epic ambitions that they have become known for since. Most of the songs are five to seven-minute morsels, two of which (“The Looking Glass” and “Surrender To Reason”) recall vintage Rush, while the majestic, multifaceted, predominately instrumental 19-minute closer “Illumination Theory” has a gorgeous neo-classical centerpiece courtesy of keyboardist Jordan Rudess that makes for an unexpectedly serene break during an often frenetic number."
"There is a slightly more mainstream slant to the album that will allow Dream Theater disciples and fellow prog heads to play this release to a non-genre fan who could appreciate it and not instantly be overwhelmed by a maelstrom of notes."
"The mixing and mastering are worth noting, as well, for their superiority and for not succumbing much to the modish "loudness war"
Interesting comments from the two blog guys that were at the listening party. I know their comments are subjective and can be said about most of DT's albums, but for some reason I belive this album is going to be a little bit different.
Based on nothing but speculation and the above mentioned comments it seems to me that DT is going for really structured and cohesive songwriting for this album. It looks like they will be rockin' more on this album than on ADTOE (which to my ears was very proggy). I like that idea :) Maybe they will get the Grammy this time?....
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Interesting comments from the two blog guys that were at the listening party. I know their comments are subjective and can be said about most of DT's albums, but for some reason I belive this album is going to be a little bit different.
Well, they seem to be familiar with DT's discography, so methinks that those comments might be made in relation to most DT albums, which just means those aspects are taken that much further. I am really curious about just how un-succumbing to loudness wars it is.
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Interesting comments from the two blog guys that were at the listening party. I know their comments are subjective and can be said about most of DT's albums, but for some reason I belive this album is going to be a little bit different.
Well, they seem to be familiar with DT's discography, so methinks that those comments might be made in relation to most DT albums, which just means those aspects are taken that much further. I am really curious about just how un-succumbing to loudness wars it is.
Fair point. I am not to worried about that though. But contrary to a lot of people here I guess my hearing is fucked up since I like the mix and sound of ADTOE ;)
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Fair point. I am not to worried about that though. But contrary to a lot of people here I guess my hearing is fuck up since I like the mix and sound of ADTO ;)
It's okay. I like the mix and sound of SC. :xbones
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https://www.bryanreesman.com/2013/07/31/dream-theater-unveils-new-album-2013/
Referring to the link above: I ask myself why they chose this album to be the first one that's being played via a listening party..and the article gives the answer: it's more mainstream, and they knew it, and I don't like it
Here's another take: JR attended the listening party of Steven Wilson's TRTRTS earlier this year and had a great time. Suggested to the band to host a similar gathering and they all agreed.
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https://www.bryanreesman.com/2013/07/31/dream-theater-unveils-new-album-2013/
Referring to the link above: I ask myself why they chose this album to be the first one that's being played via a listening party..and the article gives the answer: it's more mainstream, and they knew it, and I don't like it
Here's another take: JR attended the listening party of Steven Wilson's TRTRTS earlier this year and had a great time. Suggested to the band to host a similar gathering and they all agreed.
Don't be crazy, it's never that simple.
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I know I'm pessimistic right no but I don't seem to recall when we've heard the last "positive" news/review about the album...
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I know I'm pessimistic right no but I don't seem to recall when we've heard the last "positive" news/review about the album...
I thought all the reviews from the listening party were positive....
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I know I'm pessimistic right no but I don't seem to recall when we've heard the last "positive" news/review about the album...
Every single one of the listening party reviews posted within the past day has been positive. I don't know what you've taken as less than positive. You're beyond pessimistic, you're downright cynical! :P
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I like this forum because of all the analysis that is going on. But sometimes it feels like we are entering the "Paralysis by analysis"-syndrome (overthinking) that the music comes secondhand and the analysis first.
For me it is better to just relax and enjoy whatever comes without thinking much about it...and in DT's case, pretty much all of their music for me in any shape, form or genre.
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For me it is better to just relax and enjoy whatever comes without thinking much about it...and in DT's case, pretty much all of their music for me in any shape, form or genre.
:clap: amen.
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I know I'm pessimistic right no but I don't seem to recall when we've heard the last "positive" news/review about the album...
Every single one of the listening party reviews posted within the past day has been positive. I don't know what you've taken as less than positive. You're beyond pessimistic, you're downright cynical! :P
Hmm..maybe what I consider negative is for example "hour long instead 70 minutes" ?!?! "19 minutes IT instead of 22" ?!??! Everything's more accesible, more mainstream?!?! Don't get me wrong, it's not that I whine about 3 lost minutes from IT but the flow of information is very inconsistent and often differs a lot..
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I know I'm pessimistic right no but I don't seem to recall when we've heard the last "positive" news/review about the album...
Every single one of the listening party reviews posted within the past day has been positive. I don't know what you've taken as less than positive. You're beyond pessimistic, you're downright cynical! :P
Hmm..maybe what I consider negative is for example "hour long instead 70 minutes" ?!?! "19 minutes IT instead of 22" ?!??! Everything's more accesible, more mainstream?!?! Don't get me wrong, it's not that I whine about 3 lost minutes from IT but the flow of information is very inconsistent
1. Keep in mind that the people at the listening party didn't have stopwatches out timing the album. An hour long is a rounded off estimation for the purpose of a short article, not an exact measurement of the length of the album in a detailed review. We have it unofficially confirmed that the album is about 70 minutes.
2. Would it really matter if the song is 19 minutes as opposed to 22 minutes? We know the album has an "easter egg", which from experience usually occur at the end of the album after the last track after some silence. So the song may be 19 minutes long, but the track itself 22 minutes long. Just a thought!
3. More accessible and mainstream is a subjective and vague description, nothing to worry about. The track lengths alone could justify describing it as such. It has a 20 minute epic, and a lot of instrumental stuff confirmed. I'd call IaW more accessible and mainstream than BCASL, but not less proggy or complex. These aren't inherently bad terms, and don't mean much without context.
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I know I'm pessimistic right no but I don't seem to recall when we've heard the last "positive" news/review about the album...
Every single one of the listening party reviews posted within the past day has been positive. I don't know what you've taken as less than positive. You're beyond pessimistic, you're downright cynical! :P
Hmm..maybe what I consider negative is for example "hour long instead 70 minutes" ?!?! "19 minutes IT instead of 22" ?!??! Everything's more accesible, more mainstream?!?! Don't get me wrong, it's not that I whine about 3 lost minutes from IT but the flow of information is very inconsistent and often differs a lot..
Don't sweat it man! It is the quality and not the quantity of the music that counts! ;)
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Don't sweat it man! It is the quality and not the quantity of the music that counts! ;)
As long as the whole album isn't 35 minutes, like Queensryche. :lol
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I know I'm pessimistic right no but I don't seem to recall when we've heard the last "positive" news/review about the album...
Every single one of the listening party reviews posted within the past day has been positive. I don't know what you've taken as less than positive. You're beyond pessimistic, you're downright cynical! :P
Hmm..maybe what I consider negative is for example "hour long instead 70 minutes" ?!?! "19 minutes IT instead of 22" ?!??! Everything's more accesible, more mainstream?!?! Don't get me wrong, it's not that I whine about 3 lost minutes from IT but the flow of information is very inconsistent
1. Keep in mind that the people at the listening party didn't have stopwatches out timing the album. An hour long is a rounded off estimation for the purpose of a short article, not an exact measurement of the length of the album in a detailed review. We have it unofficially confirmed that the album is about 70 minutes.
2. Would it really matter if the song is 19 minutes as opposed to 22 minutes? We know the album has an "easter egg", which from experience usually occur at the end of the album after the last track after some silence. So the song may be 19 minutes long, but the track itself 22 minutes long. Just a thought!
3. More accessible and mainstream is a subjective and vague description, nothing to worry about. The track lengths alone could justify describing it as such. It has a 20 minute epic, and a lot of instrumental stuff confirmed. I'd call IaW more accessible and mainstream than BCASL, but not less proggy or complex. These aren't inherently bad things, and don't mean much without context.
Thanks for always changing my mind in a positive way! I agree with all 3 points though I was already thinking the same...I thought I'd share my thoughts =)
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Thanks for always changing my mind in a positive way! I agree with all 3 points though I was already thinking the same...I thought I'd share my thoughts =)
Just doing my part to keep the speculation from running off the rails. :lol
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Don't sweat it man! It is the quality and not the quantity of the music that counts! ;)
As long as the whole album isn't 35 minutes, like Queensryche. :lol
;D It is not in DT's DNA to make that short of an album! (even their EP's are longer) ;)
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Just doing my part to keep the speculation from running off the rails. :lol
:trainwreck:
Well, you certainly managed to save his train of thought just when it's about to crash.
;D It is not in DT's DNA to make that short of an album! (even their EP's are longer) ;)
Heck, Six Degrees was longer.
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I don't get it...how is it possible that we already got a Trivium single without even knowing a release date for the album ^^ Oh man...this logic is killing me :P
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Why everyone is psyched about the epic ?! ;D I don't care if song is short or long if it is good!
I walk beside you is 4mins and it has been my favourite song from day it was released :heart
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Why everyone is psyched about the epic ?! ;D I don't care if song is short or long if it is good!
I walk beside you is 4mins and it has been my favourite song from day it was released :heart
That´s what I told Rudess some time ago and he was like
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I had a dream last night where I listened to FAS. Why can't I have dreams like that 24h a day :(
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Why everyone is psyched about the epic ?! ;D I don't care if song is short or long if it is good!
I walk beside you is 4mins and it has been my favourite song from day it was released :heart
That´s what I told Rudess some time ago and he was like
(https://www.thirusliljedahl.se/rudess.png)
Haha , LOL! ;D
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(https://www.thirusliljedahl.se/rudess.png)
"I'll see you...
...in your nightmares".
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I had a dream last night where I listened to FAS. Why can't I have dreams like that 24h a day :(
And what was it like?? :omg: :omg:
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I had a dream last night where I listened to FAS. Why can't I have dreams like that 24h a day :(
I bet you wish your awakening had been a false one :neverusethis:
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I had a dream last night where I listened to FAS. Why can't I have dreams like that 24h a day :(
And what was it like?? :omg: :omg:
It sounded like Symphony X :huh:
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I had a dream last night where I listened to FAS. Why can't I have dreams like that 24h a day :(
And what was it like?? :omg: :omg:
It sounded like Symphony X :huh:
Ah, the influence of our readings :biggrin:
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I had a dream last night where i put on the new DT in a car that my friend was driving, and he became so flustered by the music that he put the pedal to the floor and ran down a pedestrian...
WTF is going on in my dreams?
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I had a dream last night where i put on the new DT in a car that my friend was driving, and he became so flustered by the music that he put the pedal to the floor and ran down a pedestrian...
WTF is going on in my dreams?
Sounds entirely plausible to me. Which is why I listened to ADTOE for the first time in my car, yes, but safely parked. :lol
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I had a dream last night where I listened to FAS. Why can't I have dreams like that 24h a day :(
And what was it like?? :omg: :omg:
It sounded like Symphony X :huh:
Ah, the influence of our readings :biggrin:
Yep :D
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Anybody expecting a single to drop today?
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I had a dream last night where I listened to FAS. Why can't I have dreams like that 24h a day :(
And what was it like?? :omg: :omg:
It sounded like Symphony X :huh:
Like Oculus Ex Inferni?
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Anybody expecting a single to drop today?
Nope. It won't drop until at least a day's notice.
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Anybody expecting a single to drop today?
Tomorrow when i wake up there's going to be a new single!!! YEAH!!!
Or propably not, but I'm almost 11,5% Sure that it will be released today!
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Anybody expecting a single to drop today?
Absolutely not. I don't expect it until the end of the month or even later. It may come out earlier, but I wouldn't expect it.
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Anybody expecting a single to drop today?
No.
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Don't be so pessimistic! 1st August would be a great date to premier a new single.
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And tomorrow everybody will say "2nd August would be a great date to premier a new single" ::)
I had a dream last night where I listened to FAS. Why can't I have dreams like that 24h a day :(
And what was it like?? :omg: :omg:
It sounded like Symphony X :huh:
Like Oculus Ex Inferni?
More like some instrumental stuff from V:TNMS.
If DT starts doing "songs" like Oculus, then :censored:
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I had a dream last night where I listened to FAS. Why can't I have dreams like that 24h a day :(
Please, no spoilers!!!!!!!!! >:(
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* cover and track list on p. 5
* page 119
:metal
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With ADTOE, the single was released more than 2 months in advance. What is going on this time?
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They aren't touring.
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With ADTOE, the single was released more than 2 months in advance. What is going on this time?
No summer shows.
EDIT: ninja'd
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Is that the only logical answer?
The Strokes had to delay the release of a single once due to complications with the cover art.
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It would be quite logical that RR releases something just before preorder starts, they don't assume that everyone will preorder just because it's DT (otherwise what's the point in promoting?). It doesn't have to be a single, it could be a snippet. I would think that the hype rising after new material surfaces would increase preorders.
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Is that the only logical answer?
The Strokes had to delay the release of a single once due to complications with the cover art.
I think the whole not touring thing is really the only logical answer to why there isn't a single yet, and its a pretty good reason! If they don't need to push a single out sooner because of tour shows, it would be better from a marketing perspective to wait until the album release is closer, that way the hype around the single doesn't die down before the record is released.
There is no reason to think there are any problems because there isn't a single yet, its all good! :metal
It would be quite logical that RR releases something just before preorder starts, they don't assume that everyone will preorder just because it's DT (otherwise what's the point in promoting?). It doesn't have to be a single, it could be a snippet. I would think that the hype rising after new material surfaces would increase preorders.
RR may want to release something when pre-orders start but its not needed. If they release the single after pre-orders start it will still generate hype and people will still have the opportunity to pre-order up until the album comes out.
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Hyping during pre order seems more logical than hyping before pre ordering anyway
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Is that the only logical answer?
The Strokes had to delay the release of a single once due to complications with the cover art.
I think the whole not touring thing is really the only logical answer to why there isn't a single yet, and its a pretty good reason! If they don't need to push a single out sooner because of tour shows, it would be better from a marketing perspective to wait until the album release is closer, that way the hype around the single doesn't die down before the record is released.
There is no reason to think there are any problems because there isn't a single yet, its all good! :metal
I add to this the release of JLB solo album
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Is that the only logical answer?
The Strokes had to delay the release of a single once due to complications with the cover art.
Different strokes for different folks...
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Don't be so pessimistic! 1st August would be a great date to premier a new single.
Nope.
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Fact or opinion?
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Fact or opinion?
It's hef. His opinions are facts.
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;D Let me rephrase.
Do you know for a fact that we won't get a single announcement today or do you personally feel it is unlikely? I know a lot of people have seen a news schedule you see.
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So sayeth Hef and so it is written.
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That and most of the time, music as a whole (at least in the US) is released on Tuesdays; Usually that includes Albums, Singles, and the sort. If anything, I wouldn't be too surprised if something along the lines of snippets or a single were to come out this upcoming Tuesday( The 6th)
So try and be patient :tup
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A snippet? Too late for that! We are only 54 days away. Gotta be a single to hype it up!
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So sayeth Hef and so it is writ.
FTFY
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So sayeth Hef and so it is writ.
FTFY
Even better!!
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Will somebody please tell me what all this hooplah is about some album cut-off?? I've seen it everywhere but somehow have managed to have NO IDEA what anyone is talking about. Lol. There was something wrong with the artwork? In what way? I hadn't noticed anything....
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Will somebody please tell me what all this hooplah is about some album cut-off?? I've seen it everywhere but somehow have managed to have NO IDEA what anyone is talking about. Lol. There was something wrong with the artwork? In what way? I hadn't noticed anything....
Here you go. Have fun reading!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38042.0
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Will somebody please tell me what all this hooplah is about some album cut-off?? I've seen it everywhere but somehow have managed to have NO IDEA what anyone is talking about. Lol. There was something wrong with the artwork? In what way? I hadn't noticed anything....
Either do a search or skim back through this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38042.0
Short version: On the original version, if your monitor was set too bright, you could see a sharp line in the black area on the left where the planet was obviously pasted onto a black field. That has been smoothed so that it is no longer visible on the later version.
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Will somebody please tell me what all this hooplah is about some album cut-off?? I've seen it everywhere but somehow have managed to have NO IDEA what anyone is talking about. Lol. There was something wrong with the artwork? In what way? I hadn't noticed anything....
I thought we were talking about Pull Me Under for a minute there. :lol
There is no hooplah about the album cover artwork anymore, as it was corrected. But the issue was that there was a faint line diagonally across the image around the middle, where it wasn't quite faded to black. It wasn't noticeable on all monitors, as it was very dark.
Double Myung'd.
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All the morning tweets from RR have been about Rush, the new album from trivium coming out in October, there's something about a band I've never heard of making an announcement....:soon: and apparently there's a new DT bootleg from '93 we can download. (read off my phone, so I don't have a link, sorry.
No single today.
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No single today.
We, as a human species, need to learn to trust hef more often.
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All the morning tweets from RR have been about Rush, the new album from trivium coming out in October, there's something about a band I've never heard of making an announcement....:soon: and apparently there's a new DT bootleg from '93 we can download. (read off my phone, so I don't have a link, sorry.
No single today.
The bootleg was retweeted by DTF, not DT
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No single today.
We, as a human species, need to learn to trust hef more often.
Who doesn't trust Hef? This was a statement designed to keep the "y u no give snippets today?" posts from becoming rampant. If we were going to get snippets or anything relating to DT12 today, we would have.
And it was mostly aimed at people in the states who haven't seen the RR twitter feed.
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No single today.
We, as a human species, need to learn to trust hef more often.
Who doesn't trust Hef? This was a statement designed to keep the "y u no give snippets today?" posts from becoming rampant. If we were going to get snippets or anything relating to DT12 today, we would have.
And it was mostly aimed at people in the states who haven't seen the RR twitter feed.
I wasn't trying to be accusatory, just making a broad assessment. Apologies, my friend :)
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All the morning tweets from RR have been about Rush, the new album from trivium coming out in October, there's something about a band I've never heard of making an announcement....:soon: and apparently there's a new DT bootleg from '93 we can download. (read off my phone, so I don't have a link, sorry.
No single today.
The bootleg was retweeted by DTF, not DT
Right... like I said, read off my iPhone's lock screen, amongst other texts and tweets, which makes the print really small. Misread that part. :facepalm:
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Fact or opinion?
It's hef. His opinions are facts.
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I've been a DT fan since I&W and I don't ever recall one of DT's labels holding such a tight reign over pre-release remarks and
reviews. I could be wrong. They seem to really want to control the sequence of events leading up to this release for some reason.
Maybe it's just to control leaks and piracy. Or maybe I'm just off base. Sure seems that way to me though.
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I've been a DT fan since I&W and I don't ever recall one of DT's labels holding such a tight reign over pre-release remarks and
reviews. I could be wrong. They seem to really want to control the sequence of events leading up to this release for some reason.
Maybe it's just to control leaks and piracy. Or maybe I'm just off base. Sure seems that way to me though.
Have to say that with ADTOE was something similar though, except they gave us some snippets to listen to it.
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I've been a DT fan since I&W and I don't ever recall one of DT's labels holding such a tight reign over pre-release remarks and
reviews. I could be wrong. They seem to really want to control the sequence of events leading up to this release for some reason.
Maybe it's just to control leaks and piracy. Or maybe I'm just off base. Sure seems that way to me though.
I think it's the bolded part.
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That's what I figured.
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So someone on facebook posted a translated review from one of the people who got a promo-copy... am I allowed to post it here?
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A snippet? Too late for that! We are only 54 days away. Gotta be a single to hype it up!
:facepalm: no
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So... anyone? no? Does the spoiler code even work here?
[spoiler]Maybe?[/spoiler] Edit: guess it doesn't work XD
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The first snippet for ADTOE was released on August 5. If they follow the same schedule, we could get something next week.
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So... anyone? no? Does the spoiler code even work here?
[spoiler]Maybe?[/spoiler] Edit: guess it doesn't work XD
Spoilers:
It doesn't
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Will somebody please tell me what all this hooplah is about some album cut-off?? I've seen it everywhere but somehow have managed to have NO IDEA what anyone is talking about. Lol. There was something wrong with the artwork? In what way? I hadn't noticed anything....
Here you go. Have fun reading!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38042.0
Thank you kindly, lol. I literally could not see the problem until someone posted the pic with the color curves altered. Now I can see it if I look for it. I'm sure other monitors are a different story though. Glad they fixed it!
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So... anyone? no? Does the spoiler code even work here?
[spoiler]Maybe?[/spoiler] Edit: guess it doesn't work XD
Spoilers:
It doesn't
I see what you did there :neverusethis:
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Alright.. i'll post it, hidden thanks to JayOctavarium's suggestion XD
From facebook, translated by Ana Curiel (I'm assuming she used google translate... it is somehow readable...)
Edit: gone until further authorization...
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Will somebody please tell me what all this hooplah is about some album cut-off?? I've seen it everywhere but somehow have managed to have NO IDEA what anyone is talking about. Lol. There was something wrong with the artwork? In what way? I hadn't noticed anything....
Here you go. Have fun reading!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38042.0
Thank you kindly, lol. I literally could not see the problem until someone posted the pic with the color curves altered. Now I can see it if I look for it. I'm sure other monitors are a different story though. Glad they fixed it!
You are welcome. Yes, it looks like they eventually noticed.
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Still shouldn't be posted unless it's authorized....
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Alright.. i'll post it, hidden thanks to JayOctavarium's suggestion XD
From facebook, translated by Ana Curiel (I'm assuming she used google translate... it is somehow readable...)
Edit: gone until further authorization...
Well...that sounds/sounded preeeetty good :D
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I won't discuss it, because I don't know if it's authorized. But I am freakin' hyped now.
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Yeah same. Just managed to catch a glimpse of it thought and... Bring it on I say :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Please let that review be real. So hyped. :metal
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Well damn, I missed it.
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Me too.
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Missed it! :sad:
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Whoa, taaaaalk about negativity:
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/dream-theater-has-a-listening-party-and-forgot-to-invite-any-fans/
I feel like that guy is totally missing the point...of everything...
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Whoa, taaaaalk about negativity:
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/dream-theater-has-a-listening-party-and-forgot-to-invite-any-fans/
I feel like that guy is totally missing the point...of everything...
Even though I would LOVE to go to a listening party, this is just plain dumb.
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Whoa, taaaaalk about negativity:
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/dream-theater-has-a-listening-party-and-forgot-to-invite-any-fans/
I feel like that guy is totally missing the point...of everything...
I agree with your assessment.
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Whoa, taaaaalk about negativity:
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/dream-theater-has-a-listening-party-and-forgot-to-invite-any-fans/
I feel like that guy is totally missing the point...of everything...
I agree with your assessment.
Yeah me too. I didn't even think to complain that those at the listening party heard the record and I didn't. I just thought it was cool that DT was doing something like that for the first time in their careers.
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"Entitlement" is an interesting emotion.
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Also entitled to not having to pay attention to a blog called "Destroyer of harmony" :biggrin:
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"Entitlement" is an interesting emotion.
Haha oh yeah, I think we were talking about this the other day! Obviously, this guy feels like he is entitled to hear what a few select other people got to hear.... I don't know, I just don't think that way I guess, or at least I try not to!
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Come on, he makes some valid points.
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I can't open that link here at work :angry:
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I mean...sure, most DT fans would've loved to be at that listening party, but having brought us into a listening party wouldn't make us more likely to buy the album....we're already going to buy it. He is confused. :facepalm:
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"They could sell their records in millions if they wouldn't let the mainstream in and just turned more to their existing fans" is what I'm hearing? It's true no one they asked to attend the listening party wouldn't say anything bad about the record, but I'm also pretty sure every one of those journalistic blogs/zines/other outlets they sent invitations to have DT fans in their ranks and that those are the people that went. Fans. Working in the industry doesn't make 'em any less than that.
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Come on, he makes some valid points.
He really, really doesn't.
Is this the same blogger who mouthed off at Rena Petrucci a couple of months ago? It looks like the same blog layout, but then, that's the default Wordpress layout.
ETA: Just checked - yes, it is. Why are we giving this the oxygen of publicity? We've got enough grim internet nerds with axes to grind right here!
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Come on, he makes some valid points.
Most of it doesn't seem very valid, to me. For example:
Has anyone purchased a Dream Theater album because Billboard Magazine rated it highly or poorly or from a Village Voice review? The answer would be a definite NO. Why? Dream Theater built their career outside of the mainstream.
Going by that logic, inviting their real fans to a listening party would have....absolutely zero effect. Just like it wasn't needed in the first place to earn those fans. One point of this listening party is in fact to gain more mainstream attention, and what's wrong with that? Bands don't want to sit around with the same level of recognition and stagnate there, they want to continue moving up in the world and gaining more fans. You can't really gain more fans by appealing to your already existing fans.
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I mean...sure, most DT fans would've loved to be at that listening party, but having brought us into a listening party wouldn't make us more likely to buy the album....we're already going to buy it. He is confused. :facepalm:
Sure I would have loved to be there! But like you said I'll buy the record anyway. Also, the comparison he makes to Metallica filling an arena for their Black Album listening party is a little off base for this case seeing how I don't think DT could financially swing that move!
Fans. Working in the industry doesn't make 'em any less than that.
Exactly this as well... Just because they work in the industry doesn't make them not fans of the band. They are still fans even though they happen to have a particular job!
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Is this the same blogger who mouthed off at Rena Petrucci a couple of months ago? It looks like the same blog layout, but then, that's the default Wordpress layout.
ETA: Just checked - yes, it is. Why are we giving this the oxygen of publicity? We've got enough grim internet nerds with axes to grind right here!
Sorry to give this more oxygen, but what's that about mouthing off at Rena?
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Fans. Working in the industry doesn't make 'em any less than that.
Exactly this as well... Just because they work in the industry doesn't make them not fans of the band. They are still fans even though they happen to have a particular job!
Honestly, I'd think someone working in the music industry is even MORE of a "general music fan" than most people simply because this is the profession they've chosen. Hard to believe a non-music fan would be there -- even if DT isn't what they live and breathe for.. ;)
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Yeah, he's not making any sense at all. The best way to market the album is to invite existing fans that are already passionate enough to even attend something like this instead of inviting people from the industry? Right. He should also argue that advanced copies should go out to fans instead of reviewers...
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Is this the same blogger who mouthed off at Rena Petrucci a couple of months ago? It looks like the same blog layout, but then, that's the default Wordpress layout.
ETA: Just checked - yes, it is. Why are we giving this the oxygen of publicity? We've got enough grim internet nerds with axes to grind right here!
Sorry to give this more oxygen, but what's that about mouthing off at Rena?
It wasn't! I made a mistake. He was mouthing off about John.
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
"All of these projects where co-ordinated and overseen by Mike Portnoy.
"Now that he has gone, we don’t have nothing. No DVD was released after the Black Clouds tour and no Ytse Jam recordings. At the moment it looks like nothing will be released after the recent tour.
"Someone in the band needs to take on Mike Portnoy’s work ethic.
"I wonder how Dream Theater would have sounded today, if John Petrucci left instead of Mike Portnoy back in 2010."
Someone, probably Rena, responded with the name "Rena (aka Yoko)," so I expanded that as being more two-sided in my head - but, in fairness, he did immediately apologise to the commenter, so I've completely misremembered in my haste. Sorry for the confusion theseoafs, and further apologies to the anonymous grouchy blogger with terrible grammar!
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There is one point that could be made about letting fans participate in a listening party, and that is the word of mouth of how well the band treats their fans. I know for a fact that a lot of people still are hardcore fans and support and respect the band -even though- they haven't really enjoyed their latest output, and it's purely because of how the band has treated them in the past. Dream Theater has always been very well aware of the fact that the best way to build a -steady- following is by being respectful towards the fans, and giving them a lot without ever really having to.
But the way he's wording his statement shows a certain lack of maturity and egoism that's quite offputting, so any valid point he may have had falls flat.
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There is one point that could be made about letting fans participate in a listening party, and that is the word of mouth of how well the band treats their fans. I know for a fact that a lot of people still are hardcore fans and support and respect the band -even though- they haven't really enjoyed their latest output, and it's purely because of how the band has treated them in the past. Dream Theater has always been very well aware of the fact that the best way to build a -steady- following is by being respectful towards the fans, and giving them a lot without ever really having to.
But the way he's wording his statement shows a certain lack of maturity and egoism that's quite offputting, so any valid point he may have had falls flat.
Word. It's the difference between, "Hey, wouldn't this be cool?" and "How dare you treat me like this, I deserve better than this swill you serve me, I am going to write an article and post it to THE INTERNET!"
There's an interesting argument to be constructed and potentially an interesting discussion to be had, but he hasn't constructed it, and he's quite clearly only interested in hectoring. It's an impotent yawn of a non-story.
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Never Enough
:neverusethis:
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Is this the same blogger who mouthed off at Rena Petrucci a couple of months ago? It looks like the same blog layout, but then, that's the default Wordpress layout.
ETA: Just checked - yes, it is. Why are we giving this the oxygen of publicity? We've got enough grim internet nerds with axes to grind right here!
Sorry to give this more oxygen, but what's that about mouthing off at Rena?
It wasn't! I made a mistake. He was mouthing off about John.
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
"All of these projects where co-ordinated and overseen by Mike Portnoy.
"Now that he has gone, we don’t have nothing. No DVD was released after the Black Clouds tour and no Ytse Jam recordings. At the moment it looks like nothing will be released after the recent tour.
"Someone in the band needs to take on Mike Portnoy’s work ethic.
"I wonder how Dream Theater would have sounded today, if John Petrucci left instead of Mike Portnoy back in 2010."
Someone, probably Rena, responded with the name "Rena (aka Yoko)," so I expanded that as being more two-sided in my head - but, in fairness, he did immediately apologise to the commenter, so I've completely misremembered in my haste. Sorry for the confusion theseoafs, and further apologies to the anonymous grouchy blogger with terrible grammar!
This completely invalidates any point the blogger was trying to make
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Left him a nice comment. :D
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hectoring
Wait...what? Did you just make that word up? :lol
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There is one point that could be made about letting fans participate in a listening party, and that is the word of mouth of how well the band treats their fans. I know for a fact that a lot of people still are hardcore fans and support and respect the band -even though- they haven't really enjoyed their latest output, and it's purely because of how the band has treated them in the past. Dream Theater has always been very well aware of the fact that the best way to build a -steady- following is by being respectful towards the fans, and giving them a lot without ever really having to.
But the way he's wording his statement shows a certain lack of maturity and egoism that's quite offputting, so any valid point he may have had falls flat.
Yup, me.
Word. It's the difference between, "Hey, wouldn't this be cool?" and "How dare you treat me like this, I deserve better than this swill you serve me, I am going to write an article and post it to THE INTERNET!"
Yeah. The dude probably had no ill intention and I'm terribly sorry to be criticizing him like this, but this article is literally the worst thought process and writing process that could have originated from his legitimately okay idea.
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Sorry but some of those points are valid. I'm no Portnoy fanboy (much prefer Mangini on every level), but the level of interaction between the band and the fans has dropped to almost nothing. Jordan tweets several times a day but never about DT or the new album. We're less than two months away from a major new album release but you'd never guess it from the level of publicity so far.
Just my opinion guys.
:corn
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hectoring
Wait...what? Did you just make that word up? :lol
hec·tor (hktr)
n.
A bully.
v. hec·tored, hec·tor·ing, hec·tors
v.tr.
To intimidate or dominate in a blustering way.
v.intr.
To behave like a bully; swagger.
The more you know :lol
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Sorry but some of those points are valid. I'm no Portnoy fanboy (much prefer Mangini on every level), but the level of interaction between the band and the fans has dropped to almost nothing. Jordan tweets several times a day but never about DT or the new album. We're less than two months away from a major new album release but you'd never guess it from the level of publicity so far.
Just my opinion guys.
:corn
Fair enough, but saying you wish there was more publicity and saying anything like what he said are two completely different things, haha.
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hectoring
Wait...what? Did you just make that word up? :lol
hec·tor (hktr)
n.
A bully.
v. hec·tored, hec·tor·ing, hec·tors
v.tr.
To intimidate or dominate in a blustering way.
v.intr.
To behave like a bully; swagger.
The more you know :lol
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hectoring
Wait...what? Did you just make that word up? :lol
I wish!
verb (used with object)
4.
( lowercase ) to treat with insolence; bully; torment: The teacher hectored his students incessantly.
It's a brilliant word, though. One of my special favourites. q:
It wasn't! I made a mistake. He was mouthing off about John.
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
"All of these projects where co-ordinated and overseen by Mike Portnoy.
"Now that he has gone, we don’t have nothing. No DVD was released after the Black Clouds tour and no Ytse Jam recordings. At the moment it looks like nothing will be released after the recent tour.
"Someone in the band needs to take on Mike Portnoy’s work ethic.
"I wonder how Dream Theater would have sounded today, if John Petrucci left instead of Mike Portnoy back in 2010."
Someone, probably Rena, responded with the name "Rena (aka Yoko)," so I expanded that as being more two-sided in my head - but, in fairness, he did immediately apologise to the commenter, so I've completely misremembered in my haste. Sorry for the confusion theseoafs, and further apologies to the anonymous grouchy blogger with terrible grammar!
This completely invalidates any point the blogger was trying to make
Oh, yeah. Double-negatives, an inability to differentiate between simple homophones - don't get me wrong, it's a terrible bit of writing for plenty of reasons beyond the fairly nasty and self-centred message it's conveying! Just... why reach past the nastiness?
I will admit a degree of hypocrisy in as much as I'm completely going to town on that blog right now, with a little more venom than is possibly warranted. But he put himself on a podium, and increased demands on my time have left me - to my regret - less tolerant of those who waste it. I'm sure he'd be able to find other stuff we'd agree on, but as far as DT goes, I think, if the author of that blog is going to elect himself as some kind of writer, he needs to spend a bit more time thinking about his opinions before he belches them all over the internet.
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It wasn't! I made a mistake. He was mouthing off about John.
https://destroyerofharmony.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/dream-theater-why-the-silence-on-the-live-at-luna-park-dvd-release/
"All of these projects where co-ordinated and overseen by Mike Portnoy.
"Now that he has gone, we don’t have nothing. No DVD was released after the Black Clouds tour and no Ytse Jam recordings. At the moment it looks like nothing will be released after the recent tour.
"Someone in the band needs to take on Mike Portnoy’s work ethic.
"I wonder how Dream Theater would have sounded today, if John Petrucci left instead of Mike Portnoy back in 2010."
Someone, probably Rena, responded with the name "Rena (aka Yoko)," so I expanded that as being more two-sided in my head - but, in fairness, he did immediately apologise to the commenter, so I've completely misremembered in my haste. Sorry for the confusion theseoafs, and further apologies to the anonymous grouchy blogger with terrible grammar!
But...but I don't understand. Why is he so angry if "we don't have nothing"?? ???
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Oh, yeah. Double-negatives, an inability to differentiate between simple homophones - don't get me wrong, it's a terrible bit of writing for plenty of reasons beyond the fairly nasty and self-centred message it's conveying! Just... why reach past the nastiness?
I will admit a degree of hypocrisy in as much as I'm completely going to town on that blog right now, with a little more venom than is possibly warranted. But he put himself on a podium, and increased demands on my time have left me - to my regret - less tolerant of those who waste it. I'm sure he'd be able to find other stuff we'd agree on, but as far as DT goes, I think, if the author of that blog is going to elect himself as some kind of writer, he needs to spend a bit more time thinking about his opinions before he belches them all over the internet.
Oh dear, it seems I've unleashed the wrath and fury of DTF on this guy..... :rollin
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Sorry but some of those points are valid. I'm no Portnoy fanboy (much prefer Mangini on every level), but the level of interaction between the band and the fans has dropped to almost nothing. Jordan tweets several times a day but never about DT or the new album. We're less than two months away from a major new album release but you'd never guess it from the level of publicity so far.
Just my opinion guys.
:corn
Okay guys/girls, let's be real: Yes, MP was the frontrunner of the band.
But MP is gone and that leaves the rest of the band (mostly JP) to pick up that role and run with it. MP had "25 years" of practice, trial and error, etc. I think it is foolish to expect a similar output from JP on a fan-base interaction level right out of the gate.
I know this is DTF and what I am about to say goes against the grain and is contradictory to this entire thread and general attitude of most members, but how about we practice some...
PATIENCE
My opinion is that DT is doing a great job considering the events that have taken place in the past few years and, in my mind, things can only get even better going forward.
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Sorry but some of those points are valid. I'm no Portnoy fanboy (much prefer Mangini on every level), but the level of interaction between the band and the fans has dropped to almost nothing. Jordan tweets several times a day but never about DT or the new album. We're less than two months away from a major new album release but you'd never guess it from the level of publicity so far.
Just my opinion guys.
:corn
That's fine. But your opinion ignores all the interaction the band has had and is continuing to have. But, yes, you are welcome to your opinion.
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I don't mean to hector the blogger guy, but we do get to go to huge listening parties.
They're called CONCERTS!
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I don't mean to hector the blogger guy, but we do get to go to huge listening parties.
They're called CONCERTS!
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Y'all need to stop hectoring each other in this thread.
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Who's this Hector guy you're talking about?
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:lol :lol
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At this point, I feel the band is doing enough to keep in contact with the fans. Of course, many people got used to the level of contact that MP practiced during his DT years. And now (seems like we keep going back to this) these people feel entitled to all sorts of information of their everyday's life.
In retrospective: Keep giving us great music, and I'll stay happy lol.
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I was literally posting that picture right when you did. Damn, ninja'd.
:lol
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Oh, yeah. Double-negatives, an inability to differentiate between simple homophones - don't get me wrong, it's a terrible bit of writing for plenty of reasons beyond the fairly nasty and self-centred message it's conveying! Just... why reach past the nastiness?
I will admit a degree of hypocrisy in as much as I'm completely going to town on that blog right now, with a little more venom than is possibly warranted. But he put himself on a podium, and increased demands on my time have left me - to my regret - less tolerant of those who waste it. I'm sure he'd be able to find other stuff we'd agree on, but as far as DT goes, I think, if the author of that blog is going to elect himself as some kind of writer, he needs to spend a bit more time thinking about his opinions before he belches them all over the internet.
Oh dear, it seems I've unleashed the wrath and fury of DTF on this guy..... :rollin
You have done this guy a far worse service: you have unleashed ROBWEBSTER on him. :hat
@Hector: I've discovered a new verb today. Thanks to over the dtf for the English Class.
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(https://www.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/BB-S5-Tio-Bio-590.jpg)
:lol :tup
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(https://www.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/BB-S5-Tio-Bio-590.jpg)
DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!!!!
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Y'all need to stop hectoring each other in this thread.
Please stop hectoring us about hectoring each other! ;D
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DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!!!!
GAH! Beat me to it! lol
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The only half-decent point made in that blog is regarding the official website. It's ALWAYS lagging behind with news and updates, and to still have the ADTOE theme when the artwork for the new album has been released is pretty poor in my opinion. I'm just surprised the band themselves don't deem it more important to have a fully up-to-date website.
Everything else he said was, quite frankly, rubbish.
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Awww, how cute. The little guy threw a temper tantrum on his blog because he's jealous that a few people got to listen to the album and he didn't. :lol
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Awww, how cute. The little guy threw a temper tantrum on his blog because he's jealous that a few people got to listen to the album and he didn't. :lol
Automatically insuring he won't receive an invitation to the pre-release listening party for DT13. :facepalm:
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The only half-decent point made in that blog is regarding the official website. It's ALWAYS lagging behind with news and updates, and to still have the ADTOE theme when the artwork for the new album has been released is pretty poor in my opinion. I'm just surprised the band themselves don't deem it more important to have a fully up-to-date website.
I get the part about news and updates being behind. But as far as the artwork, I don't get that criticism at all. The new album is not released yet, so I wouldn't expect the website appearance to be updated with new artwork yet. Why would they do it early? ???
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Surely it's all part of building the hype, using the website as part of the marketing campaign for the new album. That's what I'd be doing anyway.
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The only half-decent point made in that blog is regarding the official website. It's ALWAYS lagging behind with news and updates, and to still have the ADTOE theme when the artwork for the new album has been released is pretty poor in my opinion. I'm just surprised the band themselves don't deem it more important to have a fully up-to-date website.
I get the part about news and updates being behind. But as far as the artwork, I don't get that criticism at all. The new album is not released yet, so I wouldn't expect the website appearance to be updated with new artwork yet. Why would they do it early? ???
+1
And about the single...There's still almost 2 months left for promoting the album. Usually record companies like 3 months for promo and singles are usually released about a month before official release. IT seems to me that the listening party was the official start of the album's promotion so reviews are going to start popping out here and there...
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The only half-decent point made in that blog is regarding the official website. It's ALWAYS lagging behind with news and updates, and to still have the ADTOE theme when the artwork for the new album has been released is pretty poor in my opinion. I'm just surprised the band themselves don't deem it more important to have a fully up-to-date website.
I get the part about news and updates being behind. But as far as the artwork, I don't get that criticism at all. The new album is not released yet, so I wouldn't expect the website appearance to be updated with new artwork yet. Why would they do it early? ???
Yeah I wouldn't expect the website to be updated yet seeing how we are still about, what, 7 weeks away from the album...
Surely it's all part of building the hype, using the website as part of the marketing campaign for the new album. That's what I'd be doing anyway.
Maybe they will switch it over soon, but I don't see it as an issue to not have it updated with new imagery yet.
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Man, keeping up with this thread is like chasing a rainbow.
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GUYS.
CHILL.
We're not waiting for a new Metallica or Tool album. . .
( we are ? oh...)
But look at it THIS WAY :
Dream Theater 12 is out NEXT MONTH.
Just to give you some perspective. We have an album name - all the track titles, a promise of a single and the artwork !
The album is out NEXT MONTH. Just think about that.
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Well it's not a very creative name
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Just to give you some perspective. We have an album name - all the track titles, a promise of a single and the artwork !
And more.
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But look at it THIS WAY :
Dream Theater 12 is out SOON
Just to give you some perspective. We have an album name - all the track titles, a promise of a single (SOON!) and the artwork !
The album is out SOON. Just think about that.
FTFY
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The difference here is I believe Dream Theater can sell in the millions, if only they shift their thinking and stop missing opportunities to connect direct to fans.
Excuse me, but how will connecting with people who are their fans already make DT gain more fans and sell millions? ???
Dream Theater built their career outside of the mainstream.
Dude, ever heard of a song called Pull Me Under?
@Hector: I've discovered a new verb today. Thanks to over the dtf for the English Class.
This :lol
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You have done this guy a far worse service: you have unleashed ROBWEBSTER on him. :hat
:o
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That's more frightening than unleasing Yngwie on a donut.
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But look at it THIS WAY :
Dream Theater 12 is out SOON
Just to give you some perspective. We have an album name - all the track titles, a promise of a single (SOON!) and the artwork !
The album is out SOON. Just think about that.
FTFY
LOL
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GUYS.
CHILL.
We're not waiting for a new Metallica or Tool album. . .
( we are ? oh...)
But look at it THIS WAY :
Dream Theater 12 is out NEXT MONTH.
Just to give you some perspective. We have an album name - all the track titles, a promise of a single and the artwork !
The album is out NEXT MONTH. Just think about that.
The yellow....Why? WHY?
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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That's more frightening than unleasing Yngwie on a donut.
:clap: :lol
EDIT: That ended up looking like some guy #1 clapping loudly in another guy #2's ear, and guy #2 loves it and giggles about it
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GUYS.
CHILL.
We're not waiting for a new Metallica or Tool album. . .
( we are ? oh...)
But look at it THIS WAY :
Dream Theater 12 is out NEXT MONTH.
Just to give you some perspective. We have an album name - all the track titles, a promise of a single and the artwork !
The album is out NEXT MONTH. Just think about that.
I think I miss your point here... ::)
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Just to give you some perspective. We have an album name - all the track titles, a promise of a single and the artwork !
And more.
I think everything we've gotten so far is plenty. I don't NEED more. The album is out next month. Knowing that and knowing that other stuff is still coming before it's released is enough to keep me from freaking the hell out.
I get more frustrated with the teaser tactics the label uses because it sets off a shitstorm of "Tell us now. We need to know." entitlement type bullshit. All that does is make us fans--and in some instances this forum--look like spoiled children.
We have a lot, with more to look forward to. I am grateful. :heart :metal
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The difference here is I believe Dream Theater can sell in the millions, if only they shift their thinking and stop missing opportunities to connect direct to fans.
Excuse me, but how will connecting with people who are their fans already make DT gain more fans and sell millions? ???
Dream Theater built their career outside of the mainstream.
Dude, ever heard of a song called Pull Me Under?
Regarding the whole mainstream issue though. I think people make too much of what Mainstream is. Especially these days. Sure, DT probably won't be getting played on many radio stations, or music channels, but how relevant is that anymore? Half the artists who become famous in the mainstream, do so because of the internet. The difference between us and a mainstream audience is... There isn't one. We're all people who listen to music. Most of this music is made the exact same way, by having artists sign onto a label, and then having that label worry about marketing it. And even if an artist is not signed to a label, it doesn't even matter anymore, because everyone's biggest exposure to music is on the exact same platforms: Youtube, Facebook, Twitter. And you don't need to have a record deal to have a song or a music video up on Youtube.
My point is that these days, the line between mainstream and underground is quite thin. Popularity is a different issue entirely, but but you don't have to 'dig' to find good underground music anymore.
But even before the music industry started using Youtube as a marketing platform, even in the old days of Dream Theater, fundamentally speaking, they built their career just like any mainstream band. They got record deals, they recorded their albums, and they sold their albums in stores, then they toured. Just because they maintained success without maintaining mainstream popularity, doesn't mean that DT is some band that's always turned its back on the mainstream and only wanted to appeal to underground audiences, they simply stayed true to who they were as musicians. But not selling out is different from shunning mainstream audience. There are probably very few bands out there who wouldn't want that sort of success.
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Eh, DT broke through as a mainstream band with PMU. They were in heavy rotation with the video on MTV. To date, Images & Words is still their best-selling album. What they've never managed to do is repeat that mainstream success, but the fanbase has still steadily increased in a way that shows during gigs, but not with record sales.
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Regarding the whole mainstream issue though. I think people make too much of what Mainstream is. Especially these days. Sure, DT probably won't be getting played on many radio stations, or music channels, but how relevant is that anymore? Half the artists who become famous in the mainstream, do so because of the internet. The difference between us and a mainstream audience is... There isn't one. We're all people who listen to music. Most of this music is made the exact same way, by having artists sign onto a label, and then having that label worry about marketing it. And even if an artist is not signed to a label, it doesn't even matter anymore, because everyone's biggest exposure to music is on the exact same platforms: Youtube, Facebook, Twitter. And you don't need to have a record deal to have a song or a music video up on Youtube.
My point is that these days, the line between mainstream and underground is quite thin. Popularity is a different issue entirely, but but you don't have to 'dig' to find good underground music anymore.
But even before the music industry started using Youtube as a marketing platform, even in the old days of Dream Theater, fundamentally speaking, they built their career just like any mainstream band. They got record deals, they recorded their albums, and they sold their albums in stores, then they toured. Just because they maintained success without maintaining mainstream popularity, doesn't mean that DT is some band that's always turned its back on the mainstream and only wanted to appeal to underground audiences, they simply stayed true to who they were as musicians. But not selling out is different from shunning mainstream audience. There are probably very few bands out there who wouldn't want that sort of success.
Totally agree with you. People's just frightened of what "mainstream" means musically (read as "we don't want catchy songs anymore" :D)
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GUYS.
CHILL.
We're not waiting for a new Metallica or Tool album. . .
( we are ? oh...)
But look at it THIS WAY :
Dream Theater 12 is out NEXT MONTH.
Just to give you some perspective. We have an album name - all the track titles, a promise of a single and the artwork !
The album is out NEXT MONTH. Just think about that.
The yellow....Why? WHY?
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
PINK IS TOTES NOT MY BAG BABY
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Hey, I just remembered that the first time Metallica had a listening party, it was for their new self-titled very mainstream-oriented album. Coincidence?
WWMD not WWRD
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The difference here is I believe Dream Theater can sell in the millions, if only they shift their thinking and stop missing opportunities to connect direct to fans.
Excuse me, but how will connecting with people who are their fans already make DT gain more fans and sell millions? ???
Dream Theater built their career outside of the mainstream.
Dude, ever heard of a song called Pull Me Under?
Regarding the whole mainstream issue though. I think people make too much of what Mainstream is. Especially these days. Sure, DT probably won't be getting played on many radio stations, or music channels, but how relevant is that anymore? Half the artists who become famous in the mainstream, do so because of the internet. The difference between us and a mainstream audience is... There isn't one. We're all people who listen to music. Most of this music is made the exact same way, by having artists sign onto a label, and then having that label worry about marketing it. And even if an artist is not signed to a label, it doesn't even matter anymore, because everyone's biggest exposure to music is on the exact same platforms: Youtube, Facebook, Twitter. And you don't need to have a record deal to have a song or a music video up on Youtube.
My point is that these days, the line between mainstream and underground is quite thin. Popularity is a different issue entirely, but but you don't have to 'dig' to find good underground music anymore.
But even before the music industry started using Youtube as a marketing platform, even in the old days of Dream Theater, fundamentally speaking, they built their career just like any mainstream band. They got record deals, they recorded their albums, and they sold their albums in stores, then they toured. Just because they maintained success without maintaining mainstream popularity, doesn't mean that DT is some band that's always turned its back on the mainstream and only wanted to appeal to underground audiences, they simply stayed true to who they were as musicians. But not selling out is different from shunning mainstream audience. There are probably very few bands out there who wouldn't want that sort of success.
..but you know -- being able to say one is "apart" from the mainstream is practically a badge of honor to fanboy types. ;) I don't believe there is a band on earth who would refuse some mainstream cash.
it's kinda like the convo several pages back and its spin-off thread about "musical superiority in taste". everyone likes to feel that their musical preferences are just a bit more "exclusive" and non-sell-out-ish than the unwashed masses. :\ Hence, the rant from that dude we're talking about.
I can understand the cool feeling of being a fan of a band from its inception and perhaps the entitlement that one feels should come along with it. But it seems a bit immature to get offended because a band chooses ways to market its product in a way "you" don't approve.
This is their bread and butter. They should make their money however they see fit. IMO. :angel:
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Hey, I just remembered that the first time Metallica had a listening party, it was for their new self-titled very mainstream-oriented album. Coincidence?
WWMD not WWRD
That was mean :biggrin:
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>:(
:flame:PINK IS TOTES NOT MY BAG BABY
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..but you know -- being able to say one is "apart" from the mainstream is practically a badge of honor to fanboy types. ;) I don't believe there is a band on earth who would refuse some mainstream cash.
While I CAN understand that sort of mentality, it can get quite lonely, depending on your community. I mean, when I went to the DT concert, being around a total group of strangers, and still be able to discuss the band and have them know exactly what you're talking about felt extremely rewarding.
I'm sure those hipster bands are out there. But chances are, they're not coming out of the slums anyway.
it's kinda like the convo several pages back and its spin-off thread about "musical superiority in taste". everyone likes to feel that their musical preferences are just a bit more "exclusive" and non-sell-out-ish than the unwashed masses. :\ Hence, the rant from that dude we're talking about.
Except that rant was really baseless. I mean, it didn't even have anything to do with the music, or DT reaching out to anyone. I mean, the party they had, it's not like they organized this big event for the masses in Times Square, and gave free stuff to millions of strangers, just to get them to listen to the album.
I can understand the cool feeling of being a fan of a band from its inception and perhaps the entitlement that one feels should come along with it. But it seems a bit immature to get offended because a band chooses ways to market its product in a way "you" don't approve.
This is their bread and butter. They should make their money however they see fit. IMO. :angel:
Not only that, but this is Dream Theater we're talking about. Sure, there are some people here who talk about how they checked out Images and Words when it came out and fell in love with it. But Dream Theater has a lot of fairly younger fans, and I guarantee you that these people probably weren't listening to Images and Words when they were 3 - 7 years old. Let alone When Dream and Day Unite. Which basically means that DT has a huge part of its fanbase who haven't been there since the band's inception, anyway. So to try and claim this entitlement, this exclusivity for the band is a little hypocritical. How would they feel if they were discovering DT for the first time, and a bunch of snobby fans said, "You weren't there from the beginning, so we don't want you now." Dream Theater wouldn't be nearly as successful as they are now if they didn't constantly hook in new fans.
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I guarantee you that these people probably weren't listening to Images and Words when they were 3 - 7 years old. Let alone When Dream and Day Unite. Which basically means that DT has a huge part of its fanbase who haven't been there since the band's inception, anyway.
Hai :biggrin: Systematic Chaos = first DT album, here! :metal
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Hey, I just remembered that the first time Metallica had a listening party, it was for their new self-titled very mainstream-oriented album. Coincidence?
WWMD not WWRD
:tup
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I guarantee you that these people probably weren't listening to Images and Words when they were 3 - 7 years old. Let alone When Dream and Day Unite. Which basically means that DT has a huge part of its fanbase who haven't been there since the band's inception, anyway.
Hai :biggrin: Systematic Chaos = first DT album, here! :metal
We don't want you!
:rollin
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I guarantee you that these people probably weren't listening to Images and Words when they were 3 - 7 years old. Let alone When Dream and Day Unite. Which basically means that DT has a huge part of its fanbase who haven't been there since the band's inception, anyway.
Hai :biggrin: Systematic Chaos = first DT album, here! :metal
Octavarium = first DT album here! :biggrin: :metal Just as much a fan of I&W as Octavarium too.
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Black Clouds And Silver Linings was my first DT album.
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I rest my case. :D
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Somewhat fittingly though, Pull Me Under was the first song I heard.
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Somewhat fittingly though, Pull Me Under was the first song I heard.
Yeah, well, lot of new fans I've been talking to listened to PMU as first song :D That is pretty common :)
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Somewhat fittingly though, Pull Me Under was the first song I heard.
Same here, just not upon release.
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my first DT song was A Fortune in Lies in 1989 so that obviously makes me a better fan!!! ;)
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I love me some I&W or 8VM (<-- what is the abbrev. you guys use again?). In fact I love, truly love, all DT albums except FII. But I don't even dislike that album anymore, I've come to appreciate a lot about it, and I even love a few select tracks from it. Needless to say, I LOVE IT ALL! Dream Theater are my favorite music. (ehhhhhh please don't make me pick between them and Opeth D:)
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My first song was The Glass Prison! :metal
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My first song was Puppies on acid :)
Maaan years since I called that section like that XD
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The first DT album i listened to was I&W, followed by SFAM and then Awake, I guess you can figure out my excitement and expectations :metal
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and I am as excited to hear new DT now as I was then!! DT fan boy alert!! :hefdaddy
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Metropolis was the first DT song I heard, but Systematic Chaos was the first album I listened to in full.
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My first was Metropolis pt 1
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The first song I heard where I knew who the band was, was actually Another Day. It came out on a compilation CD in norway back in 94: https://www.allmusic.com/album/even-more-power-ballads-mw0001235674 . But my father had bought WDADU and I&W when they were released in norway due to him being a prog fanatic back then.
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wtf? Why is this thread suddenly about which DT songs we heard first?
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wtf? Why is this thread suddenly about which DT songs we heard first?
Because DT is a Progressive band, so this is a progressive thread, constantly progressing into a new subject, with the occasional recurring theme of the new album. :biggrin:
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We've ran out of things to talk about
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The album comes out next month!!
NEXT MONTH!!!!!
:panicattack:
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wtf? Why is this thread suddenly about which DT songs we heard first?
Because DT is a Progressive band, so this is a progressive thread, constantly progressing into a new subject, with the occasional recurring theme of the new album. :biggrin:
:clap:
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The album comes out next month!!
NEXT MONTH!!!!!
:panicattack:
I hope you were listening to Panic Attack while doing that little :panicattack: Dance of Eternity, there.
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Actually I'm listening to Dance of Eternity while doing my Panic Attack :lol
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Actually I'm listening to Dance of Eternity while doing my Panic Attack :lol
I'm listening to Dance of Eternity while doing my Anna Lee. ;D
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Actually I'm listening to Dance of Eternity while doing my Panic Attack :lol
I'm listening to Dance of Eternity while doing my Anna Lee. ;D
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wtf? Why is this thread suddenly about which DT songs we heard first?
Because DT is a prog band, so this is a prog thread, constantly progging into a new subject, with the occasional recurring theme of the new album. :biggrin:
Fixed it.
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Back on topic... what song do you guys think will be the single?
Most likely, I'm voting The Enemy Inside.
Wouldn't it be funny, but cool, if the single was actually the opening track?
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Fixed it.
:facepalm:
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Back on topic... what song do you guys think will be the single?
Most likely, I'm voting The Enemy Inside.
Wouldn't it be funny, but cool, if the single was actually the opening track?
Along For The Ride here.
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Back on topic... what song do you guys think will be the single?
Most likely, I'm voting The Enemy Inside.
Wouldn't it be funny, but cool, if the single was actually the opening track?
Along For The Ride here.
Because that's the name of the tour? I think so....
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Back on topic... what song do you guys think will be the single?
Most likely, I'm voting The Enemy Inside.
Wouldn't it be funny, but cool, if the single was actually the opening track?
Along For The Ride here.
Because that's the name of the tour? I think so....
Then again the tour doesn't really start until next year so...
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Back on topic... what song do you guys think will be the single?
Most likely, I'm voting The Enemy Inside.
Wouldn't it be funny, but cool, if the single was actually the opening track?
Along For The Ride here.
Because that's the name of the tour? I think so....
Then again the tour doesn't really start until next year so...
That wasn't my point actually. Just have in mind a catchy melody with that title :D
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I imagine the label will push for something a little more edgy sounding, like The Enemy Inside, or Surrender to Reason to be the single. But then again, I have no idea what these songs sound like, nor do I want to until I actually hear them.
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I imagine the label will push for something a little more edgy sounding, like The Enemy Inside, or Surrender to Reason to be the single. But then again, I have no idea what these songs sound like, nor do I want to until I actually hear them.
How do we know these will be edgy sounding? :huh:
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I imagine the label will push for something a little more edgy sounding, like The Enemy Inside, or Surrender to Reason to be the single. But then again, I have no idea what these songs sound like, nor do I want to until I actually hear them.
How do we know these will be edgy sounding? :huh:
I think he's talking about the actual song title there
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I imagine the label will push for something a little more edgy sounding, like The Enemy Inside, or Surrender to Reason to be the single. But then again, I have no idea what these songs sound like, nor do I want to until I actually hear them.
How do we know these will be edgy sounding? :huh:
I think he's talking about the actual song title there
Yes, I was. I mean, imagine you're a fan of Trivium, or one of Roadrunner's many other bands, and you're on Youtube, and you're not really familiar with DT, and RoadRunner recommends you a new DT single that just came out... called "Along For The Ride". Regardless of what it's like, the title wouldn't really appeal to someone who likes harder music. But imagine you see "Dream Theater - The Enemy Inside". Sounds pretty badass. I'd check it out.
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wtf? Why is this thread suddenly about which DT songs we heard first?
Because DT is a prog band, so this is a prog thread, constantly progging into a new subject, with the occasional recurring theme of the new album. :biggrin:
Fixed it.
:clap:
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Actually I'm listening to Dance of Eternity while doing my Panic Attack :lol
Touche!
Actually I'm listening to Dance of Eternity while doing my Panic Attack :lol
I'm listening to Dance of Eternity while doing my Anna Lee. ;D
:|
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Still no pre-order? Roadrunner's site has a "Buy Now" button, but it just takes you to the store front. And if you search the store for Dream Theater it just brings up the BC&SL boxed set. Am I doing it wrong? I can't even find ADTOE for sale on their site. Weird. You'd think with as much momentum DT has right now, Roadrunner would have their site working better.
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Still no pre-order? Roadrunner's site has a "Buy Now" button, but it just takes you to the store front. And if you search the store for Dream Theater it just brings up the BC&SL boxed set. Am I doing it wrong? I can't even find ADTOE for sale on their site. Weird. You'd think with as much momentum DT has right now, Roadrunner would have their site working better.
That's a good point. I understand if this time around they want to hold out on the single and not give out snippets, in order to keep the album more of a surprise reveal for everyone, but in terms of pre-orders and distribution, they really should get on the ball.
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Still no pre-order? Roadrunner's site has a "Buy Now" button, but it just takes you to the store front. And if you search the store for Dream Theater it just brings up the BC&SL boxed set. Am I doing it wrong? I can't even find ADTOE for sale on their site. Weird. You'd think with as much momentum DT has right now, Roadrunner would have their site working better.
Pre-order is not live yet (or at least, it shouldn't be). Just hold on.
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Still no pre-order? Roadrunner's site has a "Buy Now" button, but it just takes you to the store front. And if you search the store for Dream Theater it just brings up the BC&SL boxed set. Am I doing it wrong? I can't even find ADTOE for sale on their site. Weird. You'd think with as much momentum DT has right now, Roadrunner would have their site working better.
Pre-order is not live yet (or at least, it shouldn't be). Just hold on.
Hold on?.. Um.. Okay, I guess I'll put away that gun I prepared for no reason... Waiting is possible, don't have to use that gun.. :blush
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Still no pre-order? Roadrunner's site has a "Buy Now" button, but it just takes you to the store front. And if you search the store for Dream Theater it just brings up the BC&SL boxed set. Am I doing it wrong? I can't even find ADTOE for sale on their site. Weird. You'd think with as much momentum DT has right now, Roadrunner would have their site working better.
Pre-order is not live yet (or at least, it shouldn't be). Just hold on.
Hold on?.. Um.. Okay, I guess I'll put away that gun I prepared for no reason... Waiting is possible, don't have to use that gun.. :blush
SOON
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Still no pre-order? Roadrunner's site has a "Buy Now" button, but it just takes you to the store front. And if you search the store for Dream Theater it just brings up the BC&SL boxed set. Am I doing it wrong? I can't even find ADTOE for sale on their site. Weird. You'd think with as much momentum DT has right now, Roadrunner would have their site working better.
Pre-order is not live yet (or at least, it shouldn't be). Just hold on.
Hold on?.. Um.. Okay, I guess I'll put away that gun I prepared for no reason... Waiting is possible, don't have to use that gun.. :blush
Be careful! He has flying ivory and ebony keys and he knows how to use them! :metal Better give him the pre-order and the single soon!
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Still no pre-order? Roadrunner's site has a "Buy Now" button, but it just takes you to the store front. And if you search the store for Dream Theater it just brings up the BC&SL boxed set. Am I doing it wrong? I can't even find ADTOE for sale on their site. Weird. You'd think with as much momentum DT has right now, Roadrunner would have their site working better.
Pre-order is not live yet (or at least, it shouldn't be). Just hold on.
Hold on?.. Um.. Okay, I guess I'll put away that gun I prepared for no reason... Waiting is possible, don't have to use that gun.. :blush
Be careful! He has flying ivory and ebony keys and he knows how to use them! :metal Better give him the pre-order and the single soon!
:metal
Seriously, considering robbing RR headquarters.
Ok, maybe not :angel:
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My first DT song...and video...was PMU. That's when MTV still played videos. ZING!
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First album that was released after I was a fan was ADTOE :blush
First song that got me hooked on DT was TDEN :blush :blush
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Dammit, RoadRunner! Just shut up and take our money!
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This thread:
- away for six hours
- nothing happened, but somehow there's 4 new pages to skim through
- learned one thing; a NEW WORD: 'to hector'.
what the hell?
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STOP HECTORING THIS THREAD!
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You guys are really going to spring a gasket over this. Relax. It'll come when it comes. Simply put, until the next bit of official information is released, you are speculating on speculations at this point. Chill out.
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You guys are really going to spring a gasket over this. Relax. It'll come when it comes. Simply put, until the next bit of official information is released, you are speculating on speculations at this point. Chill out.
ARE YOU HECTORING ME?
:cornholio:
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:bnb:
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Simply put, until the next bit of official information is released, you are speculating on speculations at this point.
Personally, I expect that as soon as the next bit of official information is released, everyone will immediately shift their focus to the next next bit of information to be released.
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Off topic, but since this is the most active thread, when do you expect the North American tour dates to be released? I would buy those tickets in a heart beat :heart
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Off topic, but since this is the most active thread, when do you expect the North American tour dates to be released? I would buy those tickets in a heart beat :heart
I hope not for a while. I'm going to need some buffer room between spending (probably) around $100 on the deluxe edition of the new album, and $300 on a Meet & Greet package.
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I imagine the label will push for something a little more edgy sounding, like The Enemy Inside, or Surrender to Reason to be the single. But then again, I have no idea what these songs sound like, nor do I want to until I actually hear them.
How do we know these will be edgy sounding? :huh:
I think he's talking about the actual song title there
Yes, I was. I mean, imagine you're a fan of Trivium, or one of Roadrunner's many other bands, and you're on Youtube, and you're not really familiar with DT, and RoadRunner recommends you a new DT single that just came out... called "Along For The Ride". Regardless of what it's like, the title wouldn't really appeal to someone who likes harder music. But imagine you see "Dream Theater - The Enemy Inside". Sounds pretty badass. I'd check it out.
I totally agree that Enemy Inside sounds :bnb: but Surrender to Reason seems more :zydar: to me
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Oh, you guys.... :lol
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I also think the single will be The Enemy Inside but who knows ::)
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Sorry if this has been posted...
https://www.metalinsider.net/interviews/mike-mangini-on-new-dream-theater-album-i-knew-when-to-be-quiet-and-when-to-offer-something (https://www.metalinsider.net/interviews/mike-mangini-on-new-dream-theater-album-i-knew-when-to-be-quiet-and-when-to-offer-something)
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Along For The Ride could very well be the single....they did name the tour after it. Or it could be The Looking Glass.
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Along For The Ride could very well be the single....they did name the tour after it. Or it could be The Looking Glass.
They named the tour after it because it suits a tour. On tour, one travels, so it's like a ride, it's also a journey, and it's like they're inviting you the audience "Along For The Ride", to be a part of this journey.
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Every morning I come on to this thread and the first thing that always pops into my head is "I love you, DTF". Please never change.
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I've been lurking here since the other DT12 thread. Finally made an account and will now be contributing to this clusterf*** of unrelated posts :D
Seriously though, I am excited at the word that the new album will be heavier than ADTOE. I dont want it to be as heavy as ToT, but I think I could use some new nice and heavy DT riffs to headbang to. The idea of a "20-minute epic" really makes me excited, and honestly I don't care whether it turns out to be 19 minutes or 24 minutes. The biggest thing I hope for though is this: I don't want to be overwhelmed with ballads. I want mind-bending progressiveness and riffs so heavy my head falls off. Damn, I can't wait.
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Well, according to an old RR comment (I can't remember if it was this-thread-old or last-thread-old) the box set preorder was moved to August, which would indicate they planned on launching it in July and then rearranged their schedule. One might suspect the launch was pushed maybe one or two weeks, which inevitably would result in the box set's availability sometime... soon!
And welcome Theme Dreater! To quote a sysadmin friend: "Clusterfuck is sooo five years ago... the next bigger thing should be called a cloudfuck!" ;)
Greetings...
Hector Nef
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Every morning I come on to this thread and the first thing that always pops into my head is "I love you, DTF". Please never change.
Same Here! Awesome community!
Best thing about my morning is to get to work, take a cup of coffee and read DTF before starting to work ;)
Worst thing is to see that this topic has gotten 5 more pages and to build your hopes for some updates.
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Nobody's posted "good day for a single today!" yet? What is wrong DTF? :huh:
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I learned a few things about this thread. 5 pages will pass, that's pretty much a given. But I'm pretty good at spotting news, because you'll have people being all excited, and quoting stuff and posting pictures with "Soon" on them.
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Every morning I come on to this thread and the first thing that always pops into my head is "I love you, DTF". Please never change.
Same Here! Awesome community!
Best thing about my morning is to get to work, take a cup of coffee and read DTF before starting to work ;)
Worst thing is to see that this topic has gotten 5 more pages and to build your hopes for some updates.
...to find out that there's only a discussion if a song is 19 or 22 min and about hectoring a thread. But funny enough! :biggrin:
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WHOA! Great news!
Tracklist looks amazing! But I don't like the cover art too much.
Somehow I get this "Texas Ranger" -vibe from the promo pic :D
My opinion about the album cover has completely changed!
Now that I think of it, it just might be the coolest DT cover yet.
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Every morning I come on to this thread and the first thing that always pops into my head is "I love you, DTF". Please never change.
Same Here! Awesome community!
Best thing about my morning is to get to work, take a cup of coffee and read DTF before starting to work ;)
Worst thing is to see that this topic has gotten 5 more pages and to build your hopes for some updates.
...to find out that there's only a discussion if a song is 19 or 22 min and about hectoring a thread. But funny enough! :biggrin:
I haven't even been here that long and it feels like hectoring is gonna be a DTF meme until at least the next album. I hope DT13 is a concept album about a morgue worker from 1929 named Hector who falls in love with a corpse named Victoria. It could happen...
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Every morning I come on to this thread and the first thing that always pops into my head is "I love you, DTF". Please never change.
Same Here! Awesome community!
Best thing about my morning is to get to work, take a cup of coffee and read DTF before starting to work ;)
Worst thing is to see that this topic has gotten 5 more pages and to build your hopes for some updates.
...to find out that there's only a discussion if a song is 19 or 22 min and about hectoring a thread. But funny enough! :biggrin:
I haven't even been here that long and it feels like hectoring is gonna be a DTF meme until at least the next album. I hope DT13 is a concept album about a morgue worker from 1929 named Hector who falls in love with a corpse named Victoria. It could happen...
LOL that would be insane :biggrin:
In the meanwhile, my laptop desk bg is black with SOON written on it.
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WHOA! Great news!
Tracklist looks amazing! But I don't like the cover art too much.
Somehow I get this "Texas Ranger" -vibe from the promo pic :D
My opinion about the album cover has completely changed!
Now that I think of it, it just might be the coolest DT cover yet.
That's still Train Of Thought :D
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Every morning I come on to this thread and the first thing that always pops into my head is "I love you, DTF". Please never change.
Same Here! Awesome community!
Best thing about my morning is to get to work, take a cup of coffee and read DTF before starting to work ;)
Worst thing is to see that this topic has gotten 5 more pages and to build your hopes for some updates.
...to find out that there's only a discussion if a song is 19 or 22 min and about hectoring a thread. But funny enough! :biggrin:
I haven't even been here that long and it feels like hectoring is gonna be a DTF meme until at least the next album. I hope DT13 is a concept album about a morgue worker from 1929 named Hector who falls in love with a corpse named Victoria. It could happen...
:omg: :omg: :omg:
Metropolis Pt.3: Necropolis.
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Metropolis Pt.3: Necropolis.
If I die tomorrow
I'd be surprised
Because I believed
I'm already gone
And rotting carries on...
:xbones
Greetings...
Nef
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Metropolis Pt.3: Necropolis.
If I die tomorrow
I'd be surprised
Because I believed
I'm already gone
And rotting carries on...
:xbones
Greetings...
Nef
LOL that's poetry! :metal
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Metropolis Pt.3: Necropolis.
Headline: Murder. Young girl killed.
In my morgue, her corpse I chilled.
Desperate ending, killer died.
Brought him along for the ride.
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Metropolis Pt.3: Necropolis.
If I die tomorrow
I'd be surprised
Because I believed
I'm already gone
And rotting carries on...
:xbones
Greetings...
Nef
This feeling...
inside me...
finally found my guts
they finally broke free...
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Metropolis Pt.3: Necropolis.
If I die tomorrow
I'd be surprised
Because I believed
I'm already gone
And rotting carries on...
:xbones
Greetings...
Nef
:D
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Metropolis Pt.3: Necropolis.
Headline: Murder. Young girl killed.
In my morgue, her corpse I chilled.
Desperate ending, killer died.
Brought him along for the ride.
This is worthy of a signature! :D :D
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:omg: :omg: :omg:
Metropolis Pt.3: Necropolis.
Today, I've been searching for it
A filling that's deep inside me
Today, I've been searching for
The one that's already gone
Trying to re-live
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Nobody's posted "good day for a single today!" yet? What is wrong DTF? :huh:
Good day for a single...
...soon.
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Metropolis Pt.3: Necropolis.
Headline: Murder. Young girl killed.
In my morgue, her corpse I chilled.
Desperate ending, killer died.
Brought him along for the ride.
This is worthy of a signature! :D :D
Ehh, why not?
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Nobody's posted "good day for a single today!" yet? What is wrong DTF? :huh:
Good day for a single...
...soon.
Maybe we all got it wrong, and SOON means: Sometime On October Night.
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Maybe we all got it wrong, and SOON means: Sometime On October Night.
Maybe they're just waiting for us to let our guard down so that Soon could mean "Seemingly Out Of Nowhere".
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Maybe we all got it wrong, and SOON means: Sometime On October Night.
Maybe they're just waiting for us to let our guard down so that Soon could mean "Seemingly Out Of Nowhere".
Your's better :laugh:
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Has there yet been the speculative must-have conversation of which song sounds the best?
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What's wrong with RR?? Trivium here, Trivium there, Trivium everywhere... -.-
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Metropolis Pt.3: Necropolis.
Alone at night
I feel so strange
I need to find
A new god damn job
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"Open your eyes and begin to relive. Take a deep bite, and let the blood in
slowly. Concentrate on your biting. With each bite you become more
Relaxed. Imagine a rotten dark corpse below you, focusing on his smell as
It stinks all around you. Allow yourself to take a bite out of it as you fall deeper and
Deeper into a more relaxed state of mind. Now as I count backward from ten to
One, you will fill more thirsty, and calm. Ten. Nine. Eight. Seven. Six. You
Will enter a safe morgue where nothing can harm you. Five. Four. Three. Two. If
At any time you need to come back, all you must do is stab yourself in the chest. One."
Safe in the morgue that surrounds me
I come and bring fear and pain
My subconscious mouth
Starts biting through time
To rejoin that flesh once again
Nothing seems real
I`m starting to feel
Lost in the smell of those guts
And as I draw near
The scene becomes clear
Like watching my bowels on a screen
Hello intestines so glad to see you
My friends
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what have we become?
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Reading Dekost's first lines i think of Zombies not morgues.
Metropolis part 3 Scenes of rotten flesh
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what have we become?
What we have been is what we are :biggrin:
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Without flesh
Without blood
There can be no peace of mouth
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"Open your eyes and begin to relive. Take a deep bite, and let the blood in
slowly. Concentrate on your biting. With each bite you become more
Relaxed. Imagine a rotten dark corpse below you, focusing on his smell as
It stinks all around you. Allow yourself to take a bite out of it as you fall deeper and
Deeper into a more relaxed state of mind. Now as I count backward from ten to
One, you will fill more thirsty, and calm. Ten. Nine. Eight. Seven. Six. You
Will enter a safe morgue where nothing can harm you. Five. Four. Three. Two. If
At any time you need to come back, all you must do is stab yourself in the chest. One."
Safe in the morgue that surrounds me
I come and bring fear and pain
My subconscious mouth
Starts biting through time
To rejoin that flesh once again
Nothing seems real
I`m starting to feel
Lost in the smell of those guts
And as I draw near
The scene becomes clear
Like watching my bowels on a screen
Hello intestines so glad to see you
My friends
Hahahaha good lord, what have I started?!
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What's wrong with RR?? Trivium here, Trivium there, Trivium everywhere... -.-
How lame of them to promote a band which isn't Dream Theater, HOW DARE THEY :lol
re: last page... what the fuck is wrong with us? lol
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Haha, Metropolis Pt. 3: Necropolis is the best and the worst idea ever! :rollin "Through Her Eyes" could then be taken literally, and we would have "The Gravedance of Eternity".
Every morning I come on to this thread and the first thing that always pops into my head is "I love you, DTF". Please never change.
This!
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Haha, Metropolis Pt. 3: Necropolis is the best and the worst idea ever! :rollin "Through Her Eyes" could then be taken literally, and we would have "The Gravedance of Eternity".
Every morning I come on to this thread and the first thing that always pops into my head is "I love you, DTF". Please never change.
This!
OMG Through Her Eyes :lol
And what about "One Last Bite"?
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1. Putrefaction
2. Obituary 1928
2. Strange Deja Vu
3. Through My Worms
4. Fatal Tragedy
5. Beyond This Life
6. Through Her Eyes
7. Horde
8. The Dance Of Eternity
9. One Last Bite
10. The Rotting Carries On
11. Finally Free
Half of the already existing song titles would fit a zombie apocalypse scenario, actually :D
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It's 6:40 am in Brazil, I didn't have breakfast yet and this page of the thread is making me hungry in a very awkward way... I better stop at that... :lol
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Maybe we should take this to the Metropolis pt 3 thread instead? :lol
The thread's not that old, so it won't count as a necro post. :neverusethis:
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1. Putrefaction
2. Obituary 1928
2. Strange Deja Vu
3. Through My Worms
4. Fatal Tragedy
5. Beyond This Life
6. Through Her Eyes
7. Horde
8. The Dance Of Eternity
9. One Last Bite
10. The Rotting Carries On
11. Finally Free
Half of the already existing song titles would fit a zombie apocalypse scenario, actually :D
Imagine the cover to that. Similar to the original one but with a rotten, wicked face.
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1. Putrefaction
2. Obituary 1928
2. Strange Deja Vu
3. Through My Worms
4. Fatal Tragedy
5. Beyond This Life
6. Through Her Eyes
7. Horde
8. The Dance Of Eternity
9. One Last Bite
10. The Rotting Carries On
11. Finally Free
Half of the already existing song titles would fit a zombie apocalypse scenario, actually :D
Imagine the cover to that. Similar to the original one but with a rotten, wicked face.
lol, all that I can think of is a generic Death Metal Cannibal Corpse-esque cover art :lol
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1. Putrefaction
2. Obituary 1928
2. Strange Deja Vu
3. Through My Worms
4. Fatal Tragedy
5. Beyond This Life
6. Through Her Eyes
7. Horde
8. The Dance Of Eternity
9. One Last Bite
10. The Rotting Carries On
11. Finally Free
Half of the already existing song titles would fit a zombie apocalypse scenario, actually :D
Haha :D Horde :D
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
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1. Putrefaction
2. Obituary 1928
2. Strange Deja Vu
3. Through My Worms
4. Fatal Tragedy
5. Beyond This Life
6. Through Her Eyes
7. Horde
8. The Dance Of Eternity
9. One Last Bite
10. The Rotting Carries On
11. Finally Free
Half of the already existing song titles would fit a zombie apocalypse scenario, actually :D
A good one indeed ;D
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
I see what you did there :neverusethis:
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What's wrong with RR?? Trivium here, Trivium there, Trivium everywhere... -.-
How lame of them to promote a band which isn't Dream Theater, HOW DARE THEY :lol
re: last page... what the fuck is wrong with us? lol
Let's just forget Page 125 happened and carry on with our talks about album cover cutoffs and epic song lengths.
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What's wrong with RR?? Trivium here, Trivium there, Trivium everywhere... -.-
How lame of them to promote a band which isn't Dream Theater, HOW DARE THEY :lol
re: last page... what the fuck is wrong with us? lol
Let's just forget Page 125 happened and carry on with our talks about album cover cutoffs and epic song lengths.
I think we should make a fail-safe button: "Do you REALLY want to post this comment? Are you ABSOLUTLY SURE?"
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Haha, Metropolis Pt. 3: Necropolis is the best and the worst idea ever! :rollin "Through Her Eyes" could then be taken literally, and we would have "The Gravedance of Eternity".
I laughed so hard at this :lol :rollin :rollin :lol :rollin :lol :lol
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
Yeah, maybe we should follow that train of thought.
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
Yeah, maybe we should follow that train of thought.
Otherwise, we will fall into infinite black clouds. Without silver linings.
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
Good luck with that...
And I agree with Blob, as fun as it is, please keep the jokey Metropolis 3 discussion in the Metropolis 3 thread, or even in a separate thread. It has nothing to do with the new album.
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
Yeah, maybe we should follow that train of thought.
Otherwise, we will fall into infinite black clouds. Without silver linings.
With how long this album is taking, we'd be falling into infinity...
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
Yeah, maybe we should follow that train of thought.
Otherwise, we will fall into infinite black clouds. Without silver linings.
With how long this album is taking, we'd be falling into infinity...
Hope that's not the case. It would be a dramatic turn of events.
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
Yeah, maybe we should follow that train of thought.
Otherwise, we will fall into infinite black clouds. Without silver linings.
With how long this album is taking, we'd be falling into infinity...
Hope that's not the case. It would be a dramatic turn of events.
We can always watch change of seasons while waiting. Like we had to do with Live at Luna Park.
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A DT12 delay would solve the issue many had here with LALP being released after DT12, just saying... ...but >:(
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
Yeah, maybe we should follow that train of thought.
Otherwise, we will fall into infinite black clouds. Without silver linings.
With how long this album is taking, we'd be falling into infinity...
Hope that's not the case. It would be a dramatic turn of events.
We can always watch change of seasons while waiting. Like we had to do with Live at Luna Park.
While we're waiting for the album to come out, I'm going to bed. I'll be back here tomorrow when dream and day unite. Hopefully I'll have no night terrors.
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
Yeah, maybe we should follow that train of thought.
Otherwise, we will fall into infinite black clouds. Without silver linings.
With how long this album is taking, we'd be falling into infinity...
Hope that's not the case. It would be a dramatic turn of events.
We can always watch change of seasons while waiting. Like we had to do with Live at Luna Park.
While we're waiting for the album to come out, I'm going to bed. I'll be back here tomorrow when dream and day unite. Hopefully I'll have no night terrors.
Be careful. Mind False Awakenings!
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
Yeah, maybe we should follow that train of thought.
Otherwise, we will fall into infinite black clouds. Without silver linings.
With how long this album is taking, we'd be falling into infinity...
Hope that's not the case. It would be a dramatic turn of events.
We can always watch change of seasons while waiting. Like we had to do with Live at Luna Park.
While we're waiting for the album to come out, I'm going to bed. I'll be back here tomorrow when dream and day unite. Hopefully I'll have no night terrors.
Be careful. Mind False Awakenings!
Don't forget to lift the shadows off your dream.
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Here comes another quote pyramid. Brace yourselves, DTF.
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Here comes another quote pyramid. Brace yourselves, DTF.
Brace for daddy Vadar to lay down the law.
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Relax, All in all it's just another brick in the pyramide wall
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
Yeah, maybe we should follow that train of thought.
Otherwise, we will fall into infinite black clouds. Without silver linings.
With how long this album is taking, we'd be falling into infinity...
Hope that's not the case. It would be a dramatic turn of events.
We can always watch change of seasons while waiting. Like we had to do with Live at Luna Park.
While we're waiting for the album to come out, I'm going to bed. I'll be back here tomorrow when dream and day unite. Hopefully I'll have no night terrors.
Be careful. Mind False Awakenings!
Don't forget to lift the shadows off your dream.
Be careful! this pyramid is about to crash!
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It somehow reminds me of powerslave
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Going back to Mike Mangini's interview, it really surprised me when he said he is now listening to the whole album at half speed while showering because he's got to "learn" how to play it note by note due to the improvisation during the recording process. He said: "I improvised so much of it that it’s nice to have the time –because I’m under no pressure now – just to dig in and hear it from different perspectives."
It's a relief for me because I do the same thing and I thought I was a lazy bastard. I always have to learn afterwards what I played in the studio sessions! These guys are humans after all! :lol
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You'd think he would have everything transcribed in Sibelius or something.
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I bet Petrucci does!
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Going back to Mike Mangini's interview, it really surprised me when he said he is now listening to the whole album at half speed while showering because he's got to "learn" how to play it note by note due to the improvisation during the recording process. He said: "I improvised so much of it that it’s nice to have the time –because I’m under no pressure now – just to dig in and hear it from different perspectives."
It's a relief for me because I do the same thing and I thought I was a lazy bastard. I always have to learn afterwards what I played in the studio sessions! These guys are humans after all! :lol
I haven't read that interview yet, but yes, his statement is so human! Would be nice to see them in that moment.
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You'd think he would have everything transcribed in Sibelius or something.
Sibelius is THE most awkward programme there is... So doubt it :P
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There was once a time when I participated in the quote pyramids and naming off DT lyrics to fit a sentence, but it now gets so repetitive since I've seen these for over four years :lol
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I learned a few things about this thread. 5 pages will pass, that's pretty much a given. But I'm pretty good at spotting news, because you'll have people being all excited, and quoting stuff and posting pictures with "Soon" on them.
Easiest way to find actual news in the thread is just to skim for posts by either me or Weymolith, or for links to interviews. I can pretty much guarantee that anything official is going to be posted by me or Wey and that it will be posted as soon as released. ...or just keep checking the "fact finder" thread.
EDIT: Unless one of you psycho fans beats us to the punch. :lol
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Just seen this posted on the official Dream Theater Facebook page (https://"https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial?ref=stream&hc_location=stream")
On Monday August 5th USAToday.com will be exclusively premiering "The Enemy Inside" the first track of the new self titled Dream Theater album. You will be able to listen to it first at https://www.usatoday.com/life/music/
So there we go, Enemy Inside looks to be the first 'Single' and we get it this Monday. Seems like a fairly interesting place to put the debut as well, looking forward to seeing what it's like.
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Just seen this posted on the official Dream Theater Facebook page (https://"https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial?ref=stream&hc_location=stream")
On Monday August 5th USAToday.com will be exclusively premiering "The Enemy Inside" the first track of the new self titled Dream Theater album. You will be able to listen to it first at https://www.usatoday.com/life/music/
So there we go, Enemy Inside looks to be the first 'Single' and we get it this Monday. Looking forward to this.
:omg: Wow. Great news !
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SINGLEANNOUNCEMENT NOW CAN Y'ALL JUST SHUSH IT
or no, keep talking my sweet children, we have an announcement <3
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Great news, can't wait to hear the song :metal
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OH LAWDY
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I guess The Enemy Inside should have been the obvious choice, being the 2nd track on the album...
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GUYS GUYS. I'm scared now. I've been looking forward to this single so much that I'm scared I will have gotten my expectations too high.
Wait, what am I saying? FUCK YEAH NEW DT SINGLE. :metal
Edit: So do we know what time it'll be posted?
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:metal :metal :metal :metal 5th AUGUST :metal :metal :metal :metal
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:lol I couldn't resist :
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1016973_171719333011039_1295150896_n.jpg)
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Easiest way to find actual news in the thread is just to skim for posts by either me or Weymolith, or for links to interviews. I can pretty much guarantee that anything official is going to be posted by me or Wey and that it will be posted as soon as released. ...or just keep checking the "fact finder" thread.
Well sometimes the users beat me to posting things :) I can't update the FB and this site at the same time :)
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So will it be on youtube?
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Oh, hell! I soooo love to be proven wrong on this! Getting very pumped for the announcement, I'll now go and put myself on a unconscious trance for the next two and a half days. I can't JP the anticipation.
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:lol I couldn't resist :
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1016973_171719333011039_1295150896_n.jpg)
LOL loved this.
Yeah, I'll be spamming f5 on that page all the bloody day
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Well shit! The one day people weren't really expecting anything to happen, the single announcement comes :lol
(https://imghumour.com/assets/Uploads/1309462393348.jpg)
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Easiest way to find actual news in the thread is just to skim for posts by either me or Weymolith, or for links to interviews. I can pretty much guarantee that anything official is going to be posted by me or Wey and that it will be posted as soon as released. ...or just keep checking the "fact finder" thread.
Well sometimes the users beat me to posting things :) I can't update the FB and this site at the same time :)
Clearly this place should come first. You've got your priorities all wrong, Wey.
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LOL loved this.
Yeah, I'll be spamming f5 on that page all the bloody day
First thing I thought of when I saw it xD....
I live in the UK so I probably won't get to hear it until Tuesday anyway :p
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Just seen this posted on the official Dream Theater Facebook page (https://"https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial?ref=stream&hc_location=stream")
On Monday August 5th USAToday.com will be exclusively premiering "The Enemy Inside" the first track of the new self titled Dream Theater album. You will be able to listen to it first at https://www.usatoday.com/life/music/
So there we go, Enemy Inside looks to be the first 'Single' and we get it this Monday. Seems like a fairly interesting place to put the debut as well, looking forward to seeing what it's like.
(https://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aG9xxv5_460sa.gif)
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8/5/2013
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8/5/2013
Wicked.
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8/5/2013
How did no one guess this?
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5th of 8th.... WHY DID NO-ONE PREDICT THIS?
NINJA'D
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>8/5
Sly devils.
(https://i.imgur.com/YtZzgbu.gif)
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>8/5
Sly devils.
(https://i.imgur.com/YtZzgbu.gif)
This!
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Cool.
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>8/5
Sly devils.
(https://i.imgur.com/YtZzgbu.gif)
COMPLETELY
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Isn't this the same day that the second Haken song is being released? And then the day after that, IR comes out in NA. :D
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(https://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aG9xxv5_460sa.gif)
This! <3 Boston terriers :3
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Isn't this the same day that the second Haken song is being released? And then the day after that, IR comes out in NA. :D
Yep, new Haken and DT songs on the same day, cool stuff. :D
Of course, I've approximately known that for a few days, but it's still exciting. :biggrin:
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8/5/2013
OH
MY
GOD
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It really is a 8vm follow up...
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5 + 8 = 13. 2013.
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It really is a 8vm follow up...
Let's hear some music first, buddy. :lol
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8/5/2013
OH
MY
GOD
NEW SINGLE ON EUROPEAN DREAM THEATER DAY.
How. Come. No. One. Saw. That. Coming. :censored
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8/5/2013
OH
MY
GOD
NEW SINGLE ON EUROPEAN DREAM THEATER DAY.
How. Come. No. One. Saw. That. Coming. :censored
I was busy in spamming f5 on USAToday :D
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Uhm, no, that's "normal" Dream Theater day, dem cray cray Amurricans have got it all backwards
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:drool:
My pancreas is ready.
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It's seems to be available only at the US :/
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Why does the page say it's the FIRST track off the album???
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First chronologically by release date?
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Why does the page say it's the FIRST track off the album???
Because False Awakening Suite is just an intro.
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I think they just mean first track released off the new album.
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I think they just mean first track released off the new album.
Or this. :millahhhh
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I feel full of Energy...Powaaah :biggrin:
I am witnessing my 6th DT release and the 1st on this forum...and i gotta say it is really something else! Lov u DTF :heart
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It's seems to be only available only at the US :/
Just confirmed that this is an USA ONLY stream and premiere.
Waiting to see if there is a premiere for outside the US, will update when I learn something.
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28 pages late, but...
HELL YEAH! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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5 + 8 = 13. 2013.
100+ pages of discussion about nothing and no one at DTF predicts this?
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7166/6555369869_61a12ddff9_z.jpg)
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:omg: Can't wait!
:2metal: :2metal: :2metal:
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We fail at being detectives.
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Excellent. I predict heaviness. Mucho heaviness.
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It's seems to be only available only at the US :/
Just confirmed that this is an USA ONLY stream and premiere.
Waiting to see if there is a premiere for outside the US, will update when I learn something.
:angry:
Ah well it will be all over za internet anyway!
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We fail at being detectives.
I'm out of town lol
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Super excited to hear this but also can't help be a little nervous about the outlet. I wonder if this combined with the fact that JP and the guy at the party said the album was more mainstream are cause for concern. I'm happy we get a single in a few days but I also have misgivings about the release being presented on a site whose most popular music stories of the day are about Rihanna, Simon Cowell and Maroon 5. Time will tell.
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Glad that this is finally public.
Other news will follow.
Soon.
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Glad that this is finally public.
Other news will follow.
Soon.
JUST STOP IT, MY HEART CAN'T HANDLE IT
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the only other piece of news to receive is the pre order packages (besides the release of tour date news, which is released contingently), which would logically be released VERY SOON after the release of the single.
:corn
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Glad that this is finally public.
Other news will follow.
Soon.
JUST STOP IT, MY HEART CAN'T HANDLE IT
(https://i.qkme.me/3spm51.jpg)
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:lol
YOU BIG DUMMY
What an awesome show.
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Just confirmed that this is an USA ONLY stream and premiere.
Waiting to see if there is a premiere for outside the US, will update when I learn something.
I'm sure it will be on Youtube like 5 seconds after, but it sucks that they didn't think of doing it via the same channels they've been doing the rest of the promotions for us non-USA-ans.
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What a great way to wake up today... and I never thought I would EVER say this but... IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF I HAD WOKEN UP ON MONDAY! lol
And man, my guess was right! Do I get a cookie or something? Can't wait!
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What a great way to wake up today... and I never thought I would EVER say this but... IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF I HAD WOKEN UP ON MONDAY! lol
And man, my guess was right! Do I get a cookie or something? Can't wait!
No but on Monday you'll get chocolate cake! :biggrin:
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And man, my guess was right! Do I get a cookie or something? Can't wait!
You should already have a cookie. It was generated when you logged in to the site.
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And man, my guess was right! Do I get a cookie or something? Can't wait!
You should already have a cookie. It was generated when you logged in to the site.
:lol :tup
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And man, my guess was right! Do I get a cookie or something? Can't wait!
You should already have a cookie. It was generated when you logged in to the site.
I see! After uploading bacon to the servers failed, the only option left was the cookies... hmm quite tasty chocolate bytes :biggrin:
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Couple weeks ago when the song titles came out I searched Illumination Theory and was surprised to see that it is religious.
It will be interesting to see if DT are talking about THE illumination Theory or if it's just a story of theirs that has no relationship
to the religious one.
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Metropolis Pt.3: Necropolis.
If I die tomorrow
I'd be surprised
Because I believed
I'm already gone
And rotting carries on...
:xbones
Greetings...
Nef
This feeling...
inside me...
finally found my guts
they finally broke free...
:clap: :slowclap:
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Couple weeks ago when the song titles came out I searched Illumination Theory and was surprised to see that it is religious.
It will be interesting to see if DT are talking about THE illumination Theory or if it's just a story of theirs that has no relationship
to the religious one.
Wasn't one of the part's title talking about some sort of star's paradigm or something like that as well?
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So umm... Did I call it or what?
I imagine the label will push for something a little more edgy sounding, like The Enemy Inside, or Surrender to Reason to be the single. But then again, I have no idea what these songs sound like, nor do I want to until I actually hear them.
How do we know these will be edgy sounding? :huh:
I think he's talking about the actual song title there
Yes, I was. I mean, imagine you're a fan of Trivium, or one of Roadrunner's many other bands, and you're on Youtube, and you're not really familiar with DT, and RoadRunner recommends you a new DT single that just came out... called "Along For The Ride". Regardless of what it's like, the title wouldn't really appeal to someone who likes harder music. But imagine you see "Dream Theater - The Enemy Inside". Sounds pretty badass. I'd check it out.
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It's seems to be only available only at the US :/
Just confirmed that this is an USA ONLY stream and premiere.
:marriageanalogy:
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Thank god, at last! Still, a bit of a slap in the face for the non-US fans, no excuse at all in this day and age.
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As I posted in the song thread, I tweeted RR earlier:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/cyberdrummer/Screenshot2013-08-02at173638-1.png)
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Still, a bit of a slap in the face for the non-US fans, no excuse at all in this day and age.
Well, it shouldn't be considered a "slap in the face," because there actually is a valid excuse in this day and age. It's not as simple as you having your own video on YouTube or Facebook and just making it publicly available to everyone. Yes, from a technology standpoint, it is a very simple thing to do. But DT, like all bands, as well as its label, has a series of contractual obligations to a variety of different sources in different countries, and they each have their own series of requirements, their own timetables, etc. Although it may seem to someone on the outside (i.e., the general fanbase) like a simple thing to have everything completely coordinated, it's just not really easy to do at all. So try to keep that in mind rather than taking things personally as a "slap in the face" and assuming the band must somehow consider one segment of their fanbase less important than another. I'm pretty confident that is not the case.
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So try to keep that in mind rather than taking things personally as a "slap in the face" and assuming the band must somehow consider one segment of their fanbase less important than another. I'm pretty confident that is not the case.
Well, I'm pretty sure that the whole thing is RoadRunner's work anyway. But If I was IN the band, I'd consider it a slap in the face to my non-US fans.
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So try to keep that in mind rather than taking things personally as a "slap in the face" and assuming the band must somehow consider one segment of their fanbase less important than another. I'm pretty confident that is not the case.
Well, I'm pretty sure that the whole thing is RoadRunner's work anyway. But If I was IN the band, I'd consider it a slap in the face to my non-US fans.
Have you seen my post just above?
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^ Your link isn't working
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too busy considering slaps... :\
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Have you seen my post just above?
Yeah, I saw it in the other thread. That it will be available to other regions is a given. But they didn't say when. For all we know, we'll have to wait for weeks until it's 'officially' available to the rest of the world.
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We should remain awake until the new single is launched. Just saying.
Yeah, maybe we should follow that train of thought.
Otherwise, we will fall into infinite black clouds. Without silver linings.
With how long this album is taking, we'd be falling into infinity...
Hope that's not the case. It would be a dramatic turn of events.
We can always watch change of seasons while waiting. Like we had to do with Live at Luna Park.
While we're waiting for the album to come out, I'm going to bed. I'll be back here tomorrow when dream and day unite. Hopefully I'll have no night terrors.
Be careful. Mind False Awakenings!
Don't forget to lift the shadows off your dream.
Be careful! this pyramid is about to crash!
I AM SO DISAPPOINTED I DIDN'T GET TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS
I suppose I'll just have to Take the Time and remain As I Am, let my Inner Turbulence cool down, Six Degrees at a time, and let myself be taken Along For The Ride on my way Home. Where I will listen to an Overture. PANIC ATTACK SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT AHHHHH
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inb4 Mod Rage
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Good lord, Twelfth Doctor announcement on Sunday night, new DT single Monday (morning, presumably). I'm gonna freak out or something
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The new Dr should be Benedict Cumberbatch of Martin Freeman :lol
Seriously though - I think Alan Davies would be good at it.
or throw everyone for a loop and get Tom Hiddleston :P ( he kinda looks a bit like Paul McGann ).
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Well, it shouldn't be considered a "slap in the face," because there actually is a valid excuse in this day and age. It's not as simple as you having your own video on YouTube or Facebook and just making it publicly available to everyone. Yes, from a technology standpoint, it is a very simple thing to do. But DT, like all bands, as well as its label, has a series of contractual obligations to a variety of different sources in different countries, and they each have their own series of requirements, their own timetables, etc. Although it may seem to someone on the outside (i.e., the general fanbase) like a simple thing to have everything completely coordinated, it's just not really easy to do at all. So try to keep that in mind rather than taking things personally as a "slap in the face" and assuming the band must somehow consider one segment of their fanbase less important than another. I'm pretty confident that is not the case.
It sounds like the song will be streamed several other places, so it won't be an issue this time, but in general I think that there is no excuse whatsoever for not releasing music simultaneously
around the world in 2013. It can't be that hard to make deals so that music can be released on the same day worldwide. I keep defending the music industry a lot, but not in this matter.
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My prediction is this:
33% will love it
33% will hate it
33% not sure
1% will not listen and wait until September
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My prediction is this:
33% will love it
33% will hate it
33% not sure
1% will not listen and wait until September
You know what? If the stream isn't available in my region right away, then I might just be a part of that 1% out of sheer stubbornness.
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My prediction is this:
33% will love it
33% will hate it
33% not sure
1% will not listen and wait until September
I am the 1% :hat
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Still, a bit of a slap in the face for the non-US fans, no excuse at all in this day and age.
Well, it shouldn't be considered a "slap in the face," because there actually is a valid excuse in this day and age. It's not as simple as you having your own video on YouTube or Facebook and just making it publicly available to everyone. Yes, from a technology standpoint, it is a very simple thing to do. But DT, like all bands, as well as its label, has a series of contractual obligations to a variety of different sources in different countries, and they each have their own series of requirements, their own timetables, etc. Although it may seem to someone on the outside (i.e., the general fanbase) like a simple thing to have everything completely coordinated, it's just not really easy to do at all. So try to keep that in mind rather than taking things personally as a "slap in the face" and assuming the band must somehow consider one segment of their fanbase less important than another. I'm pretty confident that is not the case.
If it doesn't get released simultaneously in other coutries and somebody uploads it to Youtube for everyone (including people outside the US) to see, is it allowed to post a link to that Youtube video here? I guess no, but I want to be sure.
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It is going to be released pretty much simultaneously.
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It is going to be released pretty much simultaneously.
Gotta love a simultaneous release :zydar:
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Good lord, Twelfth Doctor announcement on Sunday night, new DT single Monday (morning, presumably). I'm gonna freak out or something
I was just freaking out to my friend about this. Good Lord how am I gonna get through the next two days?! :caffeine:
My prediction is this:
33% will love it
33% will hate it
33% not sure
1% will not listen and wait until September
I'd like to say I won't and I'll wait until September. That's gonna last until Monday. :blush
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New single! Yay. Cool. Earlier than I was expecting. Looking forward to hearing it. For some reason I had a feeling that The Enemy Inside was going to be the first release.
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The longest two days I will ever experience in my life.
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The longest two days I will ever experience in my life.
Slightly melodramatic...
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The longest two days I will ever experience in my life.
Slightly melodramatic...
Well, it's a melodramatic turn of events.
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The longest two days I will ever experience in my life.
Slightly melodramatic...
Well, it's a melodramatic turn of events.
Melodramatic = mellow dramatic = DT12 is a mellower version of ADTOE. :neverusethis:
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If it doesn't get released simultaneously in other coutries and somebody uploads it to Youtube for everyone (including people outside the US) to see, is it allowed to post a link to that Youtube video here? I guess no, but I want to be sure.
Definitely no. The only links that can be posted are to sites that are authorised to stream it.
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The longest two days I will ever experience in my life.
Slightly melodramatic...
Hey, if you don't want to get all crazy hyped up and excited then that's fine, but let those of us who DO enjoy it do what we want! :metal :rollin :biggrin: :rollin :neverusethis:
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Don´t worry, guys! A single available only in the US? A few hours later it´s going to be in youtube for the whole world to see! :metal
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My prediction:
Half of the fanbase will approve of the single,
25 percent will not
and still another 25 percent won't be sure what to think.
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Don´t worry, guys! A single available only in the US? A few hours later it´s going to be in youtube for the whole world to see! :metal
You mean... We'll have to wait whole HOURS!?
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DT fans are kind of prog. They take some time... :biggrin:
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DT fans are kind of prog. They take some time... :biggrin:
Well, I'm sure they can find all they need in their minds.
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DT fans are kind of prog. They take the time... :biggrin:
FTFY
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My prediction is this:
33% will love it
33% will hate it
33% not sure
1% will not listen and wait until September
MYUNG'D
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Dear mister Kotowboy, please take a look at the post written 5 posts above yours and refrain from posting such shameless rip-offs in the future. This forum has very strict rules against piracy, you know :police:
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My prediction is this:
33% will love it
33% will hate it
33% not sure
1% will not listen and wait until September
Half will approve
25% Won't
25% Arent sure what to think..
And it will be the subject of a Great Debate
Maybe not on Monday. Let's wait for people to digest it and decide Another Day.
B.Lee
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DT fans are kind of prog. They take the time... :biggrin:
FTFY
:hefdaddy
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My prediction is this:
33% will love it
33% will hate it
33% not sure
1% will not listen and wait until September
Half will approve
25% Won't
25% Arent sure what to think..
And it will be the subject of a Great Debate
Maybe not on Monday. Let's wait for people to digest it and decide Another Day.
B.Lee
This will be the first single DT's released since I became a fan!
I guess I should say...
This single will be A Rite of Passage for me. :neverusethis:
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My prediction is this:
33% will love it
33% will hate it
33% not sure
1% will not listen and wait until September
Half will approve
25% Won't
25% Arent sure what to think..
And it will be the subject of a Great Debate
Something tells me these figures are based purely on Blind Faith
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Something tells me these figures are based purely on Blind Faith
I think you misunderstood.
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Something tells me these figures are based purely on Blind Faith
I think you misunderstood.
This is were we draw the proverbial Lines in the Sand then...unless you can admit that they were a Lie
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If i said that those figures are genuine - i'd never look myself in the mirror as i am again ! :cry:
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Something tells me these figures are based purely on Blind Faith
I think you misunderstood.
This is were we draw the proverbial Lines in the Sand then...unless you can admit that they were a Lie
Okay, we're getting off topic then. So, the bottom line is that it's only a matter of time until we hear the single and see how the opinion is divided.
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inb4 130 pages.
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Something tells me these figures are based purely on Blind Faith
I think you misunderstood.
This is were we draw the proverbial Lines in the Sand then...unless you can admit that they were a Lie
I imagine some people may just Disappear after seeing this pyramid Through My Words
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bosky was not right. We needed 125 pages for a single, not 100. ;)
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WE KNOW WHAT WE MUST DO !!!!
250 pages to get RR to release the album early !!!! :rollin :rollin
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:glare: I hate to have to issue warnings for spam, but formal warnings are coming if people don't start toning it down.
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My prediction:
Half of the fanbase will approve of the single,
25 percent will not
and still another 25 percent won't be sure what to think.
:clap:
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Random question-- what position do you guys think this album will enter at on the Billboard 200?
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WE KNOW WHAT WE MUST DO !!!!
250 pages to get RR to release the album early !!!! :rollin :rollin
:yarr
Billboard #8
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Random question-- what position do you guys think this album will enter at on the Billboard 200?
Missionary... :neverusethis:
Depends on what albums are debuting along(for the ride)side DT12
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Random question-- what position do you guys think this album will enter at on the Billboard 200?
If I remember right, there was a few other big releases in the same week (Elton John I think and some other too) so I could say #10 or not better at least.
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My prediction:
Half of the fanbase will approve of the single,
25 percent will not
and still another 25 percent won't be sure what to think.
:rollin :tup
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Random question-- what position do you guys think this album will enter at on the Billboard 200?
8?
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If it doesn't get released simultaneously in other coutries and somebody uploads it to Youtube for everyone (including people outside the US) to see, is it allowed to post a link to that Youtube video here? I guess no, but I want to be sure.
Definitely no. The only links that can be posted are to sites that are authorised to stream it.
Thanks.
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My prediction:
Half of the fanbase will approve of the single,
25 percent will not
and still another 25 percent won't be sure what to think.
For sure this will be a Great Debate...
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Is it just me, or is the fact that pages of this thread are taken up by cheeky song references extremely disheartening?
I am looking forward to the single. I wasn't going to listen to it, but I know I can't do it.
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My prediction:
Half of the fanbase will approve of the single,
25 percent will not
and still another 25 percent won't be sure what to think.
For sure this will be a Great Debate...
:-[ :'( :-[ :'(
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I think higher due to the number of fans now. Also depends on how good TEW is.
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So with TEW coming Monday, the pre-sale shouldn't be far behind it.
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Is it just me, or is the fact that pages of this thread are taken up by cheeky song references extremely disheartening?
Nope not just you. It was barely funny for half a page, now its just plain annoying.
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Is it just me, or is the fact that pages of this thread are taken up by cheeky song references extremely disheartening?
I am looking forward to the single. I wasn't going to listen to it, but I know I can't do it.
Very tedious. It's one of the reasons I didn't stick around after the last album was released.
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Or just skip that certain thread.
Can not wait. Sucks that's my first day back to work from vacation.
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My prediction is this:
33% will love it
33% will hate it
33% not sure
1% will not listen and wait until September
Half will approve
25% Won't
25% Arent sure what to think..
And it will be the subject of a Great Debate
Maybe not on Monday. Let's wait for people to digest it and decide Another Day.
B.Lee
This will be the first single DT's released since I became a fan!
I guess I should say...
This single will be A Rite of Passage for me. :neverusethis:
First single release since you became a fan? Cool!
B.Lee
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Well damn, this is great news to wake up to! I imagine I'll wake up on Monday and listen to the new single before even getting out of bed :D
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Yup. I've only been an actual fan for a few months now. So this album is especially exciting for me. First DT album release, first tour, first DVD release. It's good to be a DT fan. :biggrin:
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I wonder why there's lots of people changing "inside" to "within" in the song title. I do agree though that within is a more "sophisticated" word.
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I'll just tease these here.
WHOOPS!
(https://distilleryimage1.ak.instagram.com/b39268a6fbb611e286b022000ae90285_7.jpg)
(https://distilleryimage3.ak.instagram.com/a7880944fbb611e2bc2522000a9e0196_7.jpg)
(https://distilleryimage0.ak.instagram.com/98b8442efbb611e2b1d222000a1fb859_7.jpg)
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You guys are fast! I was about to post these. I have to say those images being that big and that close to what looks like hairy skin is a little creepy.
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You guys are fast! I was about to post these. I have to say those images being that big and that close to what looks like hairy skin is a little creepy.
Yeah, for once I was able to get them up to Instagram as well as here at the same time :D
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That's both cool and gross at the same time XD
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Random question-- what position do you guys think this album will enter at on the Billboard 200?
...from behind?
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inb4 someone finds a cut-off/artifact/mistake in those pictures :rollin
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Random question-- what position do you guys think this album will enter at on the Billboard 200?
...from behind?
:rollin
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You guys are fast! I was about to post these. I have to say those images being that big and that close to what looks like hairy skin is a little creepy.
I'm gonna go with gross :lol
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Heh...I bet that's what it feels like to the music biz..."oh no not THESE guys again!" DT's going to inject the top 10 with some real musical talent!
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inb4 ass and balls reference... wait, wat? D:
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Hmmm... wtf are those pictures anyway?
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Looks like a closeup of an elephant :lol
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I wonder why there's lots of people changing "inside" to "within" in the song title. I do agree though that within is a more "sophisticated" word.
Probably because 'The Enemy Within' is a Rush song.
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Hmmm... wtf are those pictures anyway?
It's a closeup of JP's [insert creative body part here]
Game on!
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I wonder why there's lots of people changing "inside" to "within" in the song title. I do agree though that within is a more "sophisticated" word.
Probably because 'The Enemy Within' is a Rush song.
Oh :facepalm: I feel ashamed now. I shall go into exile for not knowing Rush song names :blush
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The most obvious thing is that its the back of an old persons neck.
Personally, i believe its the close up of a forty year old mans badly shaved penis.
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The most obvious thing is that its the back of an old persons neck.
Personally, i believe its the close up of a forty year old mans badly shaved penis.
:|
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inb4 Kotowboy LOLPENISLOLIT'SFUNNYBECAUSEPENIS
It's either a neck or an elephant or a really really old hedgehog or some hairy exotic fruit.
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LOLPENISLOLIT'SFUNNYBECAUSEPENIS
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^ thanks :heart
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^ thanks :heart
:heart
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OK, last general warning. Spam posts are going to be snipped and will start earning people official warnings and bans.
And as far as the single, please keep discussion in the appropriate thread, since a new one was started.
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(https://i.imgur.com/HWXyK6v.jpg)
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UK band Turin Brakes' new album is coming out Sept 30, and their website's updated with the (awesome) new art theme already. Get crackin' DT! NO MORE CLOWNS!!!!
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Plead all you want - it's never happened until the album's release has been more or less imminent.
In part, I think, because they always use the inside booklet art. Sure, the designers might do lush things with it on the website, but a compressed icon next to a banner that says "DISCOGRAPHY" is not the best way to reveal your expensively commissioned new artwork to the world.
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(https://i.imgur.com/HWXyK6v.jpg)
I think that's going to be the entirety of the single cover. They are spiting us for all of the complaining on the album art cutoff.
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My prediction:
Half of the fanbase will approve of the single,
25 percent will not
and still another 25 percent won't be sure what to think.
What you did there, I see it. :biggrin:
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I'm wondering why they keep using the old album art for all the official announcements.
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Looks like a closeup of an elephant :lol
My first thought exactly! Maybe it's a giant elephant leg? ???
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The skin is much too smooth to be that of an elephant.
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The skin is much too smooth to be that of an elephant.
It could be a neck, but unless the head is bent backward those rolls of fat look quite unnatural :justjen
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I think it's a bald head, and that the parts of the image are also better on the bottom...
(https://i.imgur.com/NIKMjgk.jpg)
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My reaction: OMG a single!!!!! ;D :metal :metal :biggrin: :omg: :metal
But then: oh no thats when im away without internet...
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I'm getting the impression that this album is gonna sound like Circus Maximus - NINE (less wanking and more accessibility)
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My reaction: OMG a single!!!!! ;D :metal :metal :biggrin: :omg: :metal
But then: oh no thats when im away without internet...
I have work that day, so if the single does come up on USA Today at around 11 AM, then hopefully, by 6 PM when I'm done work, the track should be live at all of the alleged servers that RR has partnered up with for this event.
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I'm getting the impression that this album is gonna sound like Circus Maximus - NINE (less wanking and more accessibility)
Given how much I love that album, I have no problem with this idea.
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There better be at least a couple songs with some hefty wankery on them. Wankery rules.
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I'm getting the impression that this album is gonna sound like Circus Maximus - NINE (less wanking and more accessibility)
I'm getting the impression that this album is gonna sound like Dream Theater.
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So saying that it will sound like Circus Maximus is not that far off then. :biggrin:
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:lol I guess you're right.
Man, since the announcement of the single, this thread had gotten really off track. Well, especially since the announcement.
I've said this before, but the song titles really have me excited. With ADTOE, I felt that the subject matter seemed a bit little more cerebral, and mature than what we were used to from the previous few albums. Song titles like "Enigma Machine" and "Illumination Theory" give the impression that we're in store for a further shift that direction.
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I sure hope so. And now that I think about it, maybe the reason why this thread is always going off track is because if we were just talking about the album and the single the entire time, we'd go insane with impatience. Dammit, I want it now!
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:lol I guess you're right.
Man, since the announcement of the single, this thread had gotten really off track. Well, especially since the announcement.
I've said this before, but the song titles really have me excited. With ADTOE, I felt that the subject matter seemed a bit little more cerebral, and mature than what we were used to from the previous few albums. Song titles like "Enigma Machine" and "Illumination Theory" give the impression that we're in store for a further shift that direction.
Well, Enigma Machine is almost definitely the instrumental, so I'm unsure what you can glean from its title.
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I dont get it. What are we supposed to discuss here if every new major event of the album release gets ŕ new thread? ???
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:lol I guess you're right.
Man, since the announcement of the single, this thread had gotten really off track. Well, especially since the announcement.
I've said this before, but the song titles really have me excited. With ADTOE, I felt that the subject matter seemed a bit little more cerebral, and mature than what we were used to from the previous few albums. Song titles like "Enigma Machine" and "Illumination Theory" give the impression that we're in store for a further shift that direction.
The song titles are a shift in a completely new direction. These definitely feel more cerebral. Some of the subtitles for IT are really intriguing. I hope to hell that Live Die Kill is a killer heavy section. With a title like that, I don't know how it could be anything but :bnb: IT also has the first foreign language title in DT history, and that's blowing my mind. It'll be even better if it's not an instrumental. That might be asking a bit much though. :lol We'll see.
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I'm excited. Can't wait to hear how the drums will sound on the record
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That picture is definitely a close-up of JR's neck.
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I'm taking everything I've heard, including stuff from Noxon, with a grain of salt until I hear the album myself. For one thing, I can't see DT taking 4-5 months to write a bunch of short, commercial songs. It doesn't add up, unless they spent the bulk of that time on IT. I think there is more there than we are being led to believe.
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Well, Enigma Machine is almost definitely the instrumental, so I'm unsure what you can glean from its title.
https://www.wimp.com/enigmamachine/
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IT'S A CONCEPT ALBUM ABOUT GERMANS
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concept album about illuminationism
#inb4every1catchesontothis
:neverusethis:
Also i'm pretty sure the name enigma machine was Mike Mangini's input, being the math fanatic that he is.
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Well, Enigma Machine is almost definitely the instrumental, so I'm unsure what you can glean from its title.
https://www.wimp.com/enigmamachine/
That is fascinating.
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concept album about illuminationism
#inb4every1catchesontothis
:neverusethis:
:justjen
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Well, Enigma Machine is almost definitely the instrumental, so I'm unsure what you can glean from its title.
https://www.wimp.com/enigmamachine/
That is fascinating.
I agree :omg:
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That picture is definitely a close-up of JR's neck.
Nah, it's Syme's work so it'll be a random pic of someone else's that he recycles (or re-unicycles perhaps ;D)
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Not this "it's a concept album about [insert random topic you'd like DT to write about]" again please :'(
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Not this "it's a concept album about [insert random topic you'd like DT to write about]" again please :'(
Concept album about writing concept albums.
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Not this "it's a concept album about [insert random topic you'd like DT to write about]" again please :'(
Concept album about writing concept albums.
Kind of like JT's 'Thick As a Brick'?
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Not this "it's a concept album about [insert random topic you'd like DT to write about]" again please :'(
Concept album about writing concept albums.
If you think about it, Black Clouds and Silver Linings is sort of a concept album about the band itself. It starts with JP getting into a car accident. After he gets out of the hospital, he finds himself facing writer's block. Meanwhile, MP feels like he finally put an end to his addiction, then having to face the death of his father. Then back to JP, who's still stuck with writer's block, and decides to take a vacation in Tuscany, where he meets the Count, who gives him a great story to write about, thus completing his story arc.
I don't know where the Freemasons come in. Maybe the doctor who treated JP after the car accident was one.
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Not this "it's a concept album about [insert random topic you'd like DT to write about]" again please :'(
Concept album about writing concept albums.
If you think about it, Black Clouds and Silver Linings is sort of a concept album about the band itself. It starts with JP getting into a car accident. After he gets out of the hospital, he finds himself facing writer's block. Meanwhile, MP feels like he finally put an end to his addiction, then having to face the death of his father. Then back to JP, who's still stuck with writer's block, and decides to take a vacation in Tuscany, where he meets the Count, who gives him a great story to write about, thus completing his story arc.
I don't know where the Freemasons come in. Maybe the doctor who treated JP after the car accident was one.
I :heart U.
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(https://i.imgur.com/2xwI1a6.jpg)
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So it's a humming bird whispering in some dude's ear
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So it's a humming bird whispering in some dude's ear
With a majesty symbol tattooed on his head!
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BUT WHO'S HEAD IS IT?
WHAT'S THE BIRD'S NAME?
THESE QUESTIONS NEED ANSWERS
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BUT WHO'S HEAD IS IT?
WHAT'S THE BIRD'S NAME?
THESE QUESTIONS NEED ANSWERS
The count of Tuscany
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The plot thickens.
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I've just been on the official DT site for the first time in years. Has the artwork been changed in preparation for the new album? It seems that above the tightrope the artwork is taken the from the new album and below from ADTOE.
Or am I just plain wrong?
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I know enigma machine was linked to germans then but I couldn't be bothered listening, but the enigma machine was a machine that coded messages for the Nazis in WW2
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I don't know where the Freemasons come in.
Probably during the Illumination Theory.
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I don't know where the Freemasons come in.
Probably during the Illumination Theory.
Wut?
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Well, Enigma Machine is almost definitely the instrumental, so I'm unsure what you can glean from its title.
https://www.wimp.com/enigmamachine/
That is fascinating.
This.
Also, I tracked down part two of that video because it had really peaked my interest. Here's the link for anyone who's interested;
Breaking the Enigma Code (https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_786414&feature=iv&src_vid=G2_Q9FoD-oQ&v=V4V2bpZlqx8)
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I've just been on the official DT site for the first time in years. Has the artwork been changed in preparation for the new album? It seems that above the tightrope the artwork is taken the from the new album and below from ADTOE.
Maybe you're right... there is a planet coming up above the rope! Nonetheless, I'm not familiar enough with that picture to confirm that it has been changed for the new upcoming album... can someone confirm it?
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I've just been on the official DT site for the first time in years. Has the artwork been changed in preparation for the new album? It seems that above the tightrope the artwork is taken the from the new album and below from ADTOE.
Maybe you're right... there is a planet coming up above the rope! Nonetheless, I'm not familiar enough with that picture to confirm that it has been changed for the new upcoming album... can someone confirm it?
I noticed that too... If that's how it was before then... Maybe they knew the whole time. o.o
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I don't know where the Freemasons come in.
Probably during the Illumination Theory.
Wut?
The track listing for Dream Theater is as follows:
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE
i. Sleep Paralysis
ii. Night Terrors
iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE
3. THE LOOKING GLASS
4. ENIGMA MACHINE
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY :facepalm:
i. Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire
ii. Live, Die, Kill
iii. The Embracing Circle
iv. The Pursuit of Truth
v. Surrender, Trust & Passion
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The "wut" was probably to the suggestion that IT is about Freemasons.
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Of course he's going to say that. ;)
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Really, does everybody of you thinks that thing in the picture is a bird? At first I saw it I thought it was a fish!
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Definitely a bird.
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It's clearly a hummingbird.
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Definitely a bird.
I instantly recognized it as a humming bird.
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Definitely a bird.
I instantly recognized it as a humming bird.
Yeah, I could hear it humming also :neverusethis:
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I've just been on the official DT site for the first time in years. Has the artwork been changed in preparation for the new album? It seems that above the tightrope the artwork is taken the from the new album and below from ADTOE.
Maybe you're right... there is a planet coming up above the rope! Nonetheless, I'm not familiar enough with that picture to confirm that it has been changed for the new upcoming album... can someone confirm it?
I noticed that too... If that's how it was before then... Maybe they knew the whole time. o.o
Seems to have always been that way, based on archive.org's saved version from November 2011: https://web.archive.org/web/20111116064443/https://www.dreamtheater.net/
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The "wut" was probably to the suggestion that IT is about Freemasons.
I was talking about BCSL though... I hope nothing on DT12 is about Freemasons.
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Me too. The St Augustine Theory Of Illumination sounds like a cool idea.
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Well, Enigma Machine is almost definitely the instrumental, so I'm unsure what you can glean from its title.
https://www.wimp.com/enigmamachine/
That is fascinating.
This.
Also, I tracked down part two of that video because it had really peaked my interest. Here's the link for anyone who's interested;
Breaking the Enigma Code (https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_786414&feature=iv&src_vid=G2_Q9FoD-oQ&v=V4V2bpZlqx8)
Wow, thank a lot! That video left me hanging and I was dying to see the fatal Enigma Flaw!
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Yeah that was pretty cool. Really interesting and fairly easy to understand. Now I have something to picture in my head while listening to the song if it's the instrumental.
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People who are intrigued by the enigma machine: if you enjoy dense amazingly written sci fi books, try out Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson. So freaking good.
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Seconded, a million times. Cryptonomicon is one of my favourite books, ever.
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And stay away from the history revising - jingoistic - bon jovi starring U571 :P
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This makes me think Enigma Machine may or may not actually be the instrumental...
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Well, that clears things up....
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I'm fairly confident Enigma Machine could still be the instrumental. Perhaps they titled it that with no comparison to the WWII one intended; or, perhaps they titled it that because it's going to be so crazy that it sounds like the Enigma Machine might when it's operating! ^_^
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Well, Enigma Machine is almost definitely the instrumental, so I'm unsure what you can glean from its title.
https://www.wimp.com/enigmamachine/
That is fascinating.
This.
Also, I tracked down part two of that video because it had really peaked my interest. Here's the link for anyone who's interested;
Breaking the Enigma Code (https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_786414&feature=iv&src_vid=G2_Q9FoD-oQ&v=V4V2bpZlqx8)
Wow, thank a lot! That video left me hanging and I was dying to see the fatal Enigma Flaw!
You can easily find it on youtube.. it's made by a channel called Numberphile. The guy that makes those videos (i.e. the one who interviews the mathematician, Brady Haran) has many other youtube channels (like Periodic Table of Videos, Sixty Symbols, etc.) with more awesome content like this about science and stuff.. it's really great, I suggest you guys check it out.
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I'm fairly confident Enigma Machine could still be the instrumental. Perhaps they titled it that with no comparison to the WWII one intended; or, perhaps they titled it that because it's going to be so crazy that it sounds like the Enigma Machine might when it's operating! ^_^
This would fucking rule. :bnb:
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I see what you guys are doing here. Growing my expectations to a level that I wasn't allowed to :biggrin
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Maybe someone has already wrote/asked that, but I haven't find any info in the last pages...there's a specific time in which the single will be released, or is still unknown?
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Maybe someone has already wrote/asked that, but I haven't find any infos in the last pages...there's a specific time in which the single will be released, or is still unknown?
Tomorrow, most likely at 17:00 italian time, but the hour is not confirmed.
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Perfect time :tup
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Perfect time indeed. ;D
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Seriously can't wait to hear the new song tomorrow.
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Perfect time indeed. ;D
My dear lord I might be at a friend's house. WELL THEY'LL ALL HAVE TO LISTEN TO DT, a few times at least.
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Arseballs, I'll be at work at that time.
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Ηοw come we haven't read any new impressions from the listening party?I thought there were a lot of press members there so i would expect more than 2 articles about this event.
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I've decided.
I will listen to the new song only once.
That way I'll have my dose of DT until the album comes out, but I won't have the need to skip the song while listening to the whole album.
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I've decided.
I will listen to the new song only once.
That way I'll have my dose of DT until the album comes out, but I won't have the need to skip the song while listening to the whole album.
That's what I say every album cycle. And then by the time the album actually comes out, I've listened to half the tracks, and will have heard the single about a dozen times.
Which is fine because atm OTBOA is one of my all-time favorite tracks by them.
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Arseballs, I'll be at work at that time.
Arseballs, I'll be on a boat. Beat that!
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Wow! Last night I dreamed I was driving my car with my bro and the local radio station had gotten a hold of FAS. "Sweet here it comes" I remember saying. It started out like In the Studio part 3 snippet but without the scatman vocals. The song was short and instrumental, I guess since I already knew it will be, and it was epic towards the end. But also I remember it was a little weird, something at the end of the song, but I can't remember. My bro was all like "Hmm, that was kind of weird". But it was awesome lol
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Wow! Last night I dreamed I was driving my car with my bro and the local radio station had gotten a hold of FAS. "Sweet here it comes" I remember saying. It started out like In the Studio part 3 snippet but without the scatman vocals. The song was short and instrumental, I guess since I already knew it will be, and it was epic towards the end. But also I remember it was a little weird, something at the end of the song, but I can't remember. My bro was all like "Hmm, that was kind of weird". But it was awesome lol
I would love to have dreams like that!
B.Lee
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Somebody happens to know when will the last 3 pictures of the artwork posted?
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Somebody happens to know when will the last 3 pictures of the artwork posted?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38349.msg1635331#msg1635331
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Somebody happens to know when will the last 3 pictures of the artwork posted?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38349.msg1635331#msg1635331
Oh, I have'nt seen those here: https://instagram.com/dreamtheater2013#
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(https://i.imgur.com/gFl4DPy.jpg)
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I'm very interested in seeing what the lyrics are about for this one... :justjen
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I'm very interested in seeing what the lyrics are about for this one... :justjen
It's about the enemy inside, so the options are-
Childbirth
Chest burster
Parasites
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I'm very interested in seeing what the lyrics are about for this one... :justjen
It's about the enemy inside, so the options are-
Childbirth
Chest burster
Parasites
I'm thinking it's about schizophrenia.
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I'm very interested in seeing what the lyrics are about for this one... :justjen
It's about the enemy inside, so the options are-
Childbirth
Chest burster
Parasites
I'm thinking it's about schizophrenia.
With all due respect Zydar, I'm pretty sure my options are much more likely.
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I'm very interested in seeing what the lyrics are about for this one... :justjen
It's about the enemy inside, so the options are-
Childbirth
Chest burster
Parasites
I'm thinking it's about schizophrenia.
With all due respect Zydar, I'm pretty sure my options are much more likely.
Yeah? Well... You.... You're from Australia.
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burn
and I like Zydar's idea
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I'm very interested in seeing what the lyrics are about for this one... :justjen
It's about the enemy inside, so the options are-
Childbirth
Chest burster
Parasites
I'm thinking it's about schizophrenia.
With all due respect Zydar, I'm pretty sure my options are much more likely.
Yeah? Well... You.... You're from Australia.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
I'm thinking about The Dark Passanger.
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I'm very interested in seeing what the lyrics are about for this one... :justjen
It's about the enemy inside, so the options are-
Childbirth
Chest burster
Parasites
:lol that's awesome :D
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I'm thinking it's about schizophrenia.
The only reason why I don't think it's about that is because they've already covered the subject on SDOIT.
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I say the song is about that part of us that lives according to our fears and instinctual desires,without concern for our true selves or for others.
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I don't see DT going as deep with the lyrics as Maynard or something, so I think this is just about a negative part of oneself. Maybe the part of us that keeps us away from... illumination.
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Honestly, we can speculate the metaphor behind it all we want. But I'm hoping it's a fantasy song about being possessed by a demon. :xbones
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Honestly, we can speculate the metaphor behind it all we want. But I'm hoping it's a fantasy song about being possessed by a demon. :xbones
Who happens to be the dark master from ITPOE. Just joking.
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This isn't the first time JP has written lyrics about inner conflicts. Scarred, Panic Attack and ITPOE all have that theme to some extent. I bet Enemy Inside will be similar.
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Are we allowed to talk about things that happen on FiveEight forum? I've just been reading the DT thread and its full of trolls spewing bile about how shit the band is. I was shocked to see that Noxon seems to be one of the ringleaders.
Am I missing something here? Is it a different Noxon (my apologies if so)?
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I'm very interested in seeing what the lyrics are about for this one... :justjen
It's about the enemy inside, so the options are-
Childbirth
Chest burster
Parasites
When you think of it, the 3 are about the same thing : the child inside the womb is a parasite feeding on his/her mother's body and bursting the womb when being born. Gnark gnark gnark!!! :xbones
B.Lee
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Are we allowed to talk about things that happen on FiveEight forum? I've just been reading the DT thread and its full of trolls spewing bile about how shit the band is. I was shocked to see that Noxon seems to be one of the ringleaders.
Am I missing something here? Is it a different Noxon (my apologies if so)?
Think it's the same.
B.Lee
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That's just how 5/8 is.
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And really bad attitudes are common throughout the internet. I commonly forget that because I'm spoiled by the amazing community here at DTF. :tup
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Are we allowed to talk about things that happen on FiveEight forum? I've just been reading the DT thread and its full of trolls spewing bile about how shit the band is. I was shocked to see that Noxon seems to be one of the ringleaders.
Am I missing something here? Is it a different Noxon (my apologies if so)?
Think it's the same.
B.Lee
Well, if it is, it may harm his review's credibility a bit.. :\
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I find all reviews, positive and negetive, to be useful as long as you can identify biases and their context.
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Are we allowed to talk about things that happen on FiveEight forum? I've just been reading the DT thread and its full of trolls spewing bile about how shit the band is. I was shocked to see that Noxon seems to be one of the ringleaders.
Am I missing something here? Is it a different Noxon (my apologies if so)?
Don't expect every one there to love the band or all of their output, especially from the past decade. Also you can't take everything there serious. It's an entertainment forum, not a serious discussion forum.
Noxon has not been that negative toward the band (he is definitely not the "ring leader" ::)), and his reviews are generally neutral and objective.
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I seem to recall reading a post from noxon here saying that he just messes around on 5/8, stirring the pot. So I would say it might be wise to take anything you read from him on that forum with a grain of salt.
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I seem to recall reading a post from noxon here saying that everyone just messes around on 5/8, stirring the pot. So I would say it might be wise to take anything you read from anyone on that forum with a grain of salt.
FTFY
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I seem to recall reading a post from noxon here saying that he just messes around on 5/8, stirring the pot. So I would say it might be wise to take anything you read from him on that forum with a grain of salt.
I'd say it would be wiser to just ignore that place altogether.
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Dunno why anyone would want to go anywhere near 5/8 in the first place. I feel like I lose brain cells every time I visit.
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Eh, they can be funny sometimes. Overall it's just not my sort of place.
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I said it before, and I'll say it again; what goes on other places has nothing to do with this forum, and I don't break any rules on this forum. Whatever I say elsewhere has to be taken in the context of what that place is - 5/8 is not a serious forum, and you have to take it for what it is. I'd appreciate it if you leave the two things separate. As BlobVanDam says - it's better if you just forget that place exists...
I've been a member of both forums since the first pre-release review I've written, and it has not affected my writing in the least any of the times.
Beside, since when has my review had any credibility anyways? :P I'm a person, a fan, and it's all subjective opinion anyways - and none of you guys really know me or what I like anyway...
Do you really think I would write a 6000 word review if I was just joking about it? :P
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Thanks guys, think I'll give it a wide berth in future. I just found the place when hunting for impressions from the listening party (as we're not allowed to discuss "unofficial" reviews here ::)). For what it's worth, I thought 5/8 was a serious forum about prog bands. Kinda like a more encompassing DTF.
Unclejman - I know not everyone shares the same musical tastes, that's a given. I was commenting on the Noxon thing.
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Eh, they can be funny sometimes. Overall it's just not my sort of place.
Must not be my sort of humor then.
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I said it before, and I'll say it again; what goes on other places has nothing to do with this forum, and I don't break any rules on this forum. Whatever I say elsewhere has to be taken in the context of what that place is - 5/8 is not a serious forum, and you have to take it for what it is. I'd appreciate it if you leave the two things separate. As BlobVanDam says - it's better if you just forget that place exists...
I've been a member of both forums since the first pre-release review I've written, and it has not affected my writing in the least any of the times.
Beside, since when has my review had any credibility anyways? :P I'm a person, a fan, and it's all subjective opinion anyways - and none of you guys really know me or what I like anyway...
Do you really think I would write a 6000 word review if I was just joking about it? :P
YES
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it's 2013 you guys, the split happened 6 years ago.
I honestly don't know why this back and forth is still a thing lol
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it's 2013 you guys, the split happened 6 years ago.
I honestly don't know why this back and forth is still a thing lol
He technically left in 2010...
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it's 2013 you guys, the split happened 6 years ago.
I honestly don't know why this back and forth is still a thing lol
He technically left in 2010...
He means the 5/8 DTF split.
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it's 2013 you guys, the split happened 6 years ago.
I honestly don't know why this back and forth is still a thing lol
He technically left in 2010...
He means the 5/8 DTF split.
Oh lol, I was just in the "Do you miss Mike Portnoy" thread
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Dunno why anyone would want to go anywhere near 5/8 in the first place. I feel like I lose brain cells every time I visit.
I can understand a forum designed just for entertainment purposes, but seriously? I just spent 5 minutes there. I imagine the average age on that forum is somewhere just north of 12 years old.
No thank you. I take this band very seriously, even though I have fun listening and joking around about some aspects, I respect their abilities as far greater musicians than I could ever dream of being. The amount of immaturity on 5/8 is really disappointing.
Different strokes for different folks. :dunno:
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Dunno why anyone would want to go anywhere near 5/8 in the first place. I feel like I lose brain cells every time I visit.
I can understand a forum designed just for entertainment purposes, but seriously? I just spent 5 minutes there. I imagine the average age on that forum is somewhere just north of 12 years old.
No thank you. I take this band very seriously, even though I have fun listening and joking around about some aspects, I respect their abilities as far greater musicians than I could ever dream of being. The amount of immaturity on 5/8 is really disappointing.
Different strokes for different folks. :dunno:
Totally this^
I need to start devising a way to listen to the "single" tomorrow while at work.
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Pretend to break you leg and call in sick.
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Dunno why anyone would want to go anywhere near 5/8 in the first place. I feel like I lose brain cells every time I visit.
I can understand a forum designed just for entertainment purposes, but seriously? I just spent 5 minutes there. I imagine the average age on that forum is somewhere just north of 12 years old.
No thank you. I take this band very seriously, even though I have fun listening and joking around about some aspects, I respect their abilities as far greater musicians than I could ever dream of being. The amount of immaturity on 5/8 is really disappointing.
Different strokes for different folks. :dunno:
Yea pretty much my thoughts too.
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Pretend to break you leg and call in sick.
Just to be safe you could actually break your leg. :omg:
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Do we have an actual time the single will go live? Pardon if its been answered, but I can't browse the whole thread at the moment, thanks...
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No I don't think anything been's confirmed. 11am EST has been assumed, but that's only based on past announcements.
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I imagine 11AM Eastern time. But that's just based on when things have previously gone live.
Edit: Myung'd by cyberdrummer
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I assume 11am EST
Myung'd
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Pretend to break you leg and call in sick.
My two problems are actually listening to it at work (not too big of an issue)
and the fact that I am working with my supervisor tomorrow. Meaning less room to fuck off.
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Break his leg.
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Break his leg.
Then I'd be stuck training the guy he is going to be training. Meaning still no room to fuck around. :lol
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Hm. Meditate on this, I will. :weirdal:
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Break his leg.
:D
Unfortunatly, if we are correct on the air time, I'll be working at that moment too :yeahright :sad:
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Europe ftw once more :D
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Europe ftw once more :D
o/
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*\o
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Damn you, Europe! >:(
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it's 2013 you guys, the split happened 6 years ago.
I honestly don't know why this back and forth is still a thing lol
Just to answer this, the people commenting on it are, almost entirely, new users who probably have no idea about the history between our two sites. You're not reading anything to do with the history, just new users commenting on their first experiences of 5/8 because some people have been referring to noxon's comments over there.
Also HI BACONG :heart
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I was supposed to be working with a new employee in my group at work tomorrow and showing him the ropes but turns out he's not starting until the next week, now! Meaning I should have plenty of time to stop and listen to this glorious new single whenever it gets online :D
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it's 2013 you guys, the split happened 6 years ago.
I honestly don't know why this back and forth is still a thing lol
Just to answer this, the people commenting on it are, almost entirely, new users who probably have no idea about the history between our two sites. You're not reading anything to do with the history, just new users commenting on their first experiences of 5/8 because some people have been referring to noxon's comments over there.
Also HI BACONG :heart
hi :)
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BACONG!
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So is any European/Rest of World single announcement been made yet? Or will it be available elsewhere for us officially?
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So is any European/Rest of World single announcement been made yet? Or will it be available elsewhere for us officially?
Only thing I've seen so far: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38349.msg1635620#msg1635620
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it's 2013 you guys, the split happened 6 years ago.
I honestly don't know why this back and forth is still a thing lol
idk you tell me lmao (https://www.fiveeightforums.com/threads/dtfers-say-the-darndest-things.91227/)
I'm not saying some of the quotes aren't mental, cos some are, (although just as many boil down to "OH MY DAYS THEY LIKE THE MUSIC OF THEIR FAVOURITE BAND how incredible,") but it's a bit rich to play coy when it's mostly your website not only perpetuating but actually sanctioning it.
I don't have anything against your website. I post here, and I don't post there, but it's fine - you have a community that seems to enjoy its own company, ace. I just think it's pretty brazenly hypocritical to go "oh my god yeah what's all this rivalry about?" when it's largely swept under the carpet here, and tacitly endorsed there.
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Dunno why anyone would want to go anywhere near 5/8 in the first place. I feel like I lose brain cells every time I visit.
I can understand a forum designed just for entertainment purposes, but seriously? I just spent 5 minutes there. I imagine the average age on that forum is somewhere just north of 12 years old.
No thank you. I take this band very seriously, even though I have fun listening and joking around about some aspects, I respect their abilities as far greater musicians than I could ever dream of being. The amount of immaturity on 5/8 is really disappointing.
Different strokes for different folks. :dunno:
Yes, we're so much more mature here :lol
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EDIT: Geez, someone can't take a joke. :-\
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it's 2013 you guys, the split happened 6 years ago.
I honestly don't know why this back and forth is still a thing lol
idk you tell me lmao (https://www.fiveeightforums.com/threads/dtfers-say-the-darndest-things.91227/)
I'm not saying some of the quotes aren't mental, cos some are, (although just as many boil down to "OH MY DAYS THEY LIKE THE MUSIC OF THEIR FAVOURITE BAND how incredible,") but it's a bit rich to play coy when it's mostly your website not only perpetuating but actually sanctioning it.
I don't have anything against your website. I post here, and I don't post there, but it's fine - you have a community that seems to enjoy its own company, ace. I just think it's pretty brazenly hypocritical to go "oh my god yeah what's all this rivalry about?" when it's largely swept under the carpet here, and tacitly endorsed there.
Absolutely agreed. I just can't stand 5/8 in general. Is it even possible to have a legitimate discussion there? I see a lot of former DTF members that were banned or otherwise choose not to post here anymore.
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why is there even talk of 5/8 in the Dream Theater self titled album discussion thread?
anyway was that incoming samples of the new DT album i read somewhere?
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why is there even talk of 5/8 in the Dream Theater self titled album discussion thread?
anyway was that incoming samples of the new DT album i read somewhere?
Wait what? If you're talking about the Classic Rock Presents Prog tweet, I suppose they mean that they will be the ones broadcasting The Enemy Inside for UK listeners. (They are from the UK, aye?)
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I just read a song by song review, and in the "prologue" of the review it was stated that the album was conceptual.
Has this been confirmed before or seen anywhere?
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Link to review?
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https://theshamansblog.com/2013/07/31/asi-fue-la-listening-party-de-dream-theater-en-nueva-york/
Dang it, found it. It's in the comments. I had the right link the whole time! :loser:
Just hit Ctrl + F and search for this: "Les diré que el disco me sorprendió."
Sorry for this whole mess right now. I am quite tired right now :(
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I think I've seen that review and if it's the one I'm thinking about, he doesn't actually describe track by track exactly, as in, he doesn't name the tracks. Or maybe it's a different review. Well, is it an official and authorized review?
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I added the text to my original post. Had trouble with the link, sorry. But I promise I will try to find the source.
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Yep, it's the one I've seen. I speak Portuguese, so I could understand it without google. Still don't know if that review is authorized though. Maybe it came from one of the listening parties? I don't know =P
EDIT: Oh, saw your edit. It's from the listening party. No problems then, I would guess?
EDIT 2: Oops, wait... It's not. It's from a promotional copy XD
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I'm a native Portuguese speaker :lol
Wasn't in the right mood to translate it right now ;D
EDIT: Yeah, no problem. The listening party reviews are authorized.
EDIT2: Oh, it is. But there's still no problem. It's the exact thing the listening party guests listened to, and tons of reviews have been made through promotional copies.
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I'm a native Portuguese speaker too, but on the Brazilian side (my great grandfather was from Portugal though). It's a biiiiiig text to translate, and as weird as this may sound, my English is actually better than my Spanish :lol
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"This twelfth work, room with Roadrunner and the second with Mike Mangini on the sticks, lasts about an hour, and is a work consisting of 9 songs that take us back to a more melodic and traditional composition of their early years, but by mixing it with the toughness, speed and epic ambition that characterized them since. Most of the songs are about 5 to 7 minutes, and two of them (The Looking Glass and Surrender To Reason) are very reminiscent of the most classic Rush, while the majestic, multifaceted and predominantly instrumental epic 19 minutes, Illumination Theory , closing ago and boasts an exquisite neoclassical centerpiece, courtesy of keyboardist Jordan Rudess, which gives an unexpected reprieve to a potentially frantic work."
:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
Edit: Also,
"This album has a more commercial twist that will allow disciples of Dream Theater and progressive fans in general put it to the uninitiated and to those they like without fear of being frightened by the avalanche of notes that is upon them . Dream Theater have explored different approaches to music over the years, but it seems that the stigma of breathtakingly ambitious epic music and remains a constant in them."
Don't know what to say about this section.
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What does a commercial twist really mean? Pink Floyd and Rush? Then hell yes! Modern rock (I really don't even know what to call this... alternative?)? Then hell no.
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So I go away for the weekend and come back to find out The Enemy Within will be premiering tomorrow.
Hell Yeah, gonna listen first thing in the morning.
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What does a commercial twist really mean? Pink Floyd and Rush? Then hell yes! Modern rock (I really don't even know what to call this... alternative?)? Then hell no.
DT does Nickelback. :biggrin:
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Oh god
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I simply expect some more "catchy" choruses, like in BITS, BMUBMD, AROP, Wither or Forsaken.
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Still no confirmation on what time it's being released?
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September 24?
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Pretty sure he means the new song..
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Soon.
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Yeah, the new song. Sorry. Should have clarified. We know it's being released tomorrow, but have they released the time?
I'll bet Bosk knows...
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The Enemy Inside is going to get published tomorrow...
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The Enemy Inside is going to get published tomorrow...
Today for some of us already.
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Lucky you.
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Lucky you. Is there some way of getting the song on the forums in advance?
Sorry, I meant it's past midnight so it's being released today. But not yet, and probably not for at least another 9 hours or so. I'm off to bed now, and hopefully, I'll be able to hear it when I wake up.
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Yeah, the new song. Sorry. Should have clarified. We know it's being released tomorrow, but have they released the time?
17:00 in Germany (= 11 am EST (not completely sure, I'm not familiar with this american stuff :D) I believe.
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I'm in the UK so i'm just gonna assume I won't get it until maybe early on Tuesday at the earliest :P
If It arrives sooner then so be it :P
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17:00 would be perfect timing! Coming home from work, finding a stream, preloading, getting ice cold coffee from the fridge, cranking amplifier, sitting down, taking a breath... PRESSING PLAY!
Greetings...
Nef
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I'm in the UK so i'm just gonna assume I won't get it until maybe early on Tuesday at the earliest :P
Why? Btw I hope you are wrong, because if the UK does't get it today, Germany probably won't get it on time either :-\
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The UK/Europe in general should get it about 5pm. Unfortunately I am working until 10pm :( but thats cool I will just listen later :metal
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The UK/Europe in general should get it about 5pm. Unfortunately I am working until 10pm :( but thats cool I will just listen later :metal
And you'll have to read through about 50 new pages in the The Enemy Inside thread and in this one each :lol
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17:00 would be perfect timing! Coming home from work, finding a stream, preloading, getting ice cold coffee from the fridge, cranking amplifier, sitting down, taking a breath... PRESSING PLAY!
Greetings...
Nef
Ice cold coffee o_O ????
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Ice cold coffee o_O ????
It's quite good, actually. Here in my country they sell coffee in the form of a slushie or something like that.
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Ice cold coffee o_O ????
It's quite good, actually. Here in my country they sell coffee in the form of a slushie or something like that.
Whaaaat o.o is it like milk-based?
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Whaaaat o.o is it like milk-based?
It's pretty much just an ice cream with coffee, so it's mixed with milk.
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Whaaaat o.o is it like milk-based?
It's pretty much just an ice cream with coffee, so it's mixed with milk.
I want some o.o now!
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I wish I had ice cream :-\
Cold coffee without it is not that great
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I can't even find the ice cream coffee thingy I'm referring to for sale close to my house, because I'm really in the mood for some of that right now :lol
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Hot coffee and snus will have to do for now :3
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I pretty much run on ice coffee during summer. Not the chilled black coffee with vanilla ice cream (though that's great too) but canned or bottled cold coffee, mostly milk-based. Nescafe (in cans) and Starbucks (in small bottles or cups) would be international companies with variants I've tried. Plus many regional ones most likely noone on this forum would know, of course.
(https://danderma.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/new_nescafe.jpg)
Thanks for reminding me I need to refill my supply!
Greetings...
Nef
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I guess I should just post a pic of the ones I'm talking about then:
(https://shoppingspirit.pt/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Cafe-Zero-O-melhor-sabor-do-cafe-no-poder-refrescante-da-Ola_1.jpg)
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I guess we should get back on topic...
ONLY ONE AND A HALF HOURS LEFT!!!!!111!!!
And Nescafe tastes like shit IMO ;)
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Guys guys guys, you're making me want to run across the street and get Starbucks, which is bad because I'm putting myself on a strict budget to not spend excess money, since I know the CD/DVD/concert tickets will run a fortune. :lol
Also HOLY SHIT AN HOUR AND A HALF.
Edit: Myung'd on the timing. xD
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Yeah, let's just steer this SLOWLY back on topic :lol
1 and a half hours left until half of the DT fan-base loves the single and the other half says it's too commercial... :sad:
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Yeah, let's just steer this SLOWLY back on topic :lol
1 and a half hours left until half of the DT fan-base loves the single and the other half says it's too commercial... :sad:
There are other valid reasons to dislike a song other than being commercial, you know! And it's also possible to love a song that sounds commercial. Being the first single, we can assume it as the most commercial the new album gets, so I guess it's a "worst case", if you're worried about commercial appeal.
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There are other valid reasons to dislike a song other than being commercial, you know! And it's also possible to love a song that sounds commercial. Being the first single, we can assume it as the most commercial the new album gets, so I guess it's a "worst case", if you're worried about commercial appeal.
Was just kidding. I know a lot of people who just bash and hate things simply because they're commercial. And trust me, DT has many fans like that. Besides, some of my favorite DT songs are actually commercial oriented.
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There are other valid reasons to dislike a song other than being commercial, you know! And it's also possible to love a song that sounds commercial. Being the first single, we can assume it as the most commercial the new album gets, so I guess it's a "worst case", if you're worried about commercial appeal.
Was just kidding. I know a lot of people who just bash and hate things simply because they're commercial. And trust me, DT has many fans like that. Besides, some of my favorite DT songs are actually commercial oriented.
Mine too. FII is one of my favourite DT albums, and I'm a big fan of the more straightforward stuff like These Walls and Hollow Years.
Which is why I can't help myself defending the idea that commercial =/= bad. :tup
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I'm really confused. Maybe it's because I'm a really new DT fan, but why is them having a more commercial song such a bad thing? I generally have enjoyed their commercial songs, right next to the super proggy/less accessible ones.
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I think it's just a general idea, really.
Prog was never seen as an accessible thing, and when it started to be a bit more accessible, people started to not like that for some reason. The truth is: it has been accessible and commercial for a really long time. Pink Floyd and Phil Collins' Genesis is an example.
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I think one of the main reasons why 8VM is my second favourite DT album is that it's more accessible than most others. The tracklist and reviews for DT12 hint at that direction as well, so I'm happy :D
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I'm really confused. Maybe it's because I'm a really new DT fan, but why is them having a more commercial song such a bad thing? I generally have enjoyed their commercial songs, right next to the super proggy/less accessible ones.
Also can't understand it. FII has aged much better than some proggier/heavier albums.
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And Nescafe tastes like shit IMO ;)
Agreed, I simply selected the brand for being well known throughout the world. I highly doubt someone outside of Austria would know Maresi Eis Café Vanilla Cream (https://www.meinemaresi.at/images/eiscafevanilla.jpg).
Yeah, let's just steer this SLOWLY back on topic :lol
By all means. Though I feel coffee is never off topic. Same as bacon. ;D
At least this time I won't have to listen to a new single alone. Usually I have my flat for myself, but I currently have a friend as a pet roomie. She's also a DT fan and has been to two DT concerts with me so far, the next one coming up in January 2014. She even has an uncle who resembles JLB a little so whenever she talks about James she refers to him as "Uncle LaBrie".
So this time I'll need two ice coffees from my fridge before blasting the new single through my speakers. :tup
Greetings...
Nef
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One of my best friends and I are gonna listen to it at the same time and gush over Facebook to each other. Or complain. There will definitely be discussion at any rate.
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I invited my best friend to come to my house so we could listen to the single together and have a very civilized discussion, but unfortunately he couldn't come over so we'll just have to do the discussion via Skype :'(
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I invited my best friend to come to my house so we could listen to the single together and have a very civilized discussion, but unfortunately he couldn't come over so we'll just have to do the discussion via Skype :'(
Aw man that would have been the best idea ever. Sadly I'm actually at work so that isn't even an option. :/
Edit: Less than one hour until 11am EST! :dangerwillrobinson:
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I'm actually more excited to read everyones comments and reactions than I am to hear the song.
:tup
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15 minutes!
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Time to take some coffee out of the fridge ;)
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Guys..............................
What if they don't release it at 11 AM EST??? :|
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Then we'll all die a slow and painful death.
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:metal
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God dammit I'm so depressed right now, usatoday site loads fine at work but the streaming player itself won't load through our proxy I AM DYING D:
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It's heavy!! Though why am i getting a triggered drum sound effect?
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If this song is any indication - DT12 will be kickass :2metal:
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This.
Song.
Is.
Amazing.
:2metal:
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The only thing I'm disappointed about is that we didn't get any concrete preorder info. I believe we got that with OtBoA. I'm sure we will get it soon.
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It's hilarious how dead this thread is right now :lol
I very much wish we got pre-order information. North American tour info would be dandy, too.
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Well that was probably the longest time this thread has been dead for a while... :lol :lol
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All the action exploded on the single thread! That's hilarious. :lol
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I really like the song! And they finally got rid of Mangini's horrible snare sound from ADTOE (and every other album he's recorded)!!
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Pre-order info to come very soon according to RRUSA.
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:corn
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Pre-order info to come very soon according to RRUSA.
Damn, I was fooled. I is ashamed.
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Pre-order info to come very soon according to RRUSA.
:soon:
inb4 "soon" jokes
hmm
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Not sure if this has been said already in the single thread, but this kinda confirms the 'alleged' track lengths. On usatoday The Enemy Inside is 6:17. I think that would have been too much of a coincidence if someone had just guessed that. So I guess we can pretty much treat the following as fact:
1. False Awakening Suite – 2:42
2. The Enemy Inside – 6:17
3. The Looking Glass – 4:53
4. Enigma Machine – 6:01
5. The Bigger Picture – 7:40
6. Behind The Veil – 6:52
7. Surrender To Reason – 6:34
8. Along For The Ride – 4:45
9. Illumination Theory – 22:17
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Not sure if this has been said already in the single thread, but this kinda confirms the 'alleged' track lengths. On usatoday The Enemy Inside is 6:17. I think that would have been too much of a coincidence if someone had just guessed that. So I guess we can pretty much treat the following as fact:
1. False Awakening Suite – 2:42
2. The Enemy Inside – 6:17
3. The Looking Glass – 4:53
4. Enigma Machine – 6:01
5. The Bigger Picture – 7:40
6. Behind The Veil – 6:52
7. Surrender To Reason – 6:34
8. Along For The Ride – 4:45
9. Illumination Theory – 22:17
Didn't we already have this huge spat over the "fact" that IT is only around 19 minutes...?
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And Nescafe tastes like shit IMO ;)
Agreed, I simply selected the brand for being well known throughout the world. I highly doubt someone outside of Austria would know Maresi Eis Café Vanilla Cream (https://www.meinemaresi.at/images/eiscafevanilla.jpg).
Yeah, let's just steer this SLOWLY back on topic :lol
By all means. Though I feel coffee is never off topic. Same as bacon. ;D
At least this time I won't have to listen to a new single alone. Usually I have my flat for myself, but I currently have a friend as a pet roomie. She's also a DT fan and has been to two DT concerts with me so far, the next one coming up in January 2014. She even has an uncle who resembles JLB a little so whenever she talks about James she refers to him as "Uncle LaBrie".
So this time I'll need two ice coffees from my fridge before blasting the new single through my speakers. :tup
Greetings...
Nef
I buy this colombian style instant coffee from the cheapo store near me and it's the most delicious instant coffee i've ever had.
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Not sure if this has been said already in the single thread, but this kinda confirms the 'alleged' track lengths. On usatoday The Enemy Inside is 6:17. I think that would have been too much of a coincidence if someone had just guessed that. So I guess we can pretty much treat the following as fact:
1. False Awakening Suite – 2:42
2. The Enemy Inside – 6:17
3. The Looking Glass – 4:53
4. Enigma Machine – 6:01
5. The Bigger Picture – 7:40
6. Behind The Veil – 6:52
7. Surrender To Reason – 6:34
8. Along For The Ride – 4:45
9. Illumination Theory – 22:17
Didn't we already have this huge spat over the "fact" that IT is only around 19 minutes...?
The people at the listening party probably didn't know the exact time, therefore we can assume they "felt" like it was 19 minutes.
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TEI is a good, but nothing spectacular single. However, it is probably a good song to release on a site like USA Today for exposure. Considering this album is full of 4-7 minute songs, it appears we'll be presented with an abundance of songs in the standard verse-chorus-bridge structure. Nothing inherently wrong with it, but I fear the album may be a bit samey for a DT release. Still holding out hope for it to exceed my now temepered expectations. There's always something I find special or amazing on every release, so I don't think this will be any different.
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I get the feeling I'll be repeating IT tons and tons more than anything else from the album, with all those short track lengths. If most of the songs really are just the standard ABABCB form, it'll get really boring really quickly for me. :/ Sorry if anyone disagrees, that's fine. It's just that I was introduced to DT when I had no theory training, and grew to love them more and more as I started taking theory courses for my music degree. Now that I've taken all my theory courses, if this album is more commercial (structure and form-wise, that is) I will be very sad. I love me the occasional standard form song on other albums where it's not the norm, but a whole album of that may very well displease me a bit, unless the bridges/instrumental breaks are KILLER in every single way possible (hint: they won't all be, lol).
Blahhhhh I hate to be spewing so much criticism after hearing the new single but I can't help it!
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When I first saw the track list I predicted that The Enemy Inside would be the single and that it would be heavy. This came through and I really hope that my other prediction will as well; I also thought that this would be my least favorite track on the album and if this is truly how it plays out it's going to be an amazing album in my book (quite possibly top 3).
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Didn't we already have this huge spat over the "fact" that IT is only around 19 minutes...?
What if I told you the track is all quantum and stuff? That it can actually both be 22 minutes long and 19 minutes long? :P
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Not sure if this has been said already in the single thread, but this kinda confirms the 'alleged' track lengths. On usatoday The Enemy Inside is 6:17. I think that would have been too much of a coincidence if someone had just guessed that. So I guess we can pretty much treat the following as fact:
1. False Awakening Suite – 2:42
2. The Enemy Inside – 6:17
3. The Looking Glass – 4:53
4. Enigma Machine – 6:01
5. The Bigger Picture – 7:40
6. Behind The Veil – 6:52
7. Surrender To Reason – 6:34
8. Along For The Ride – 4:45
9. Illumination Theory – 22:17
Didn't we already have this huge spat over the "fact" that IT is only around 19 minutes...?
The people at the listening party probably didn't know the exact time, therefore we can assume they "felt" like it was 19 minutes.
I guess it's more likely that the last 3 minutes are a hidden track (the "easter egg").
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Didn't we already have this huge spat over the "fact" that IT is only around 19 minutes...?
What if I told you the track is all quantum and stuff? That it can actually both be 22 minutes long and 19 minutes long? :P
Ala easter egg! Thanks for the confirmation, noxon! ;)
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Did you really need confirmation? It said easter egg right on the board in the video!
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Did you really need confirmation? It said easter egg right on the board in the video!
A little reassurance goes a long way!
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So the TRACK is 22 minutes, but the SONG is only 19... I wonder if the silence-gap is only a minute or so, as is usual, which gives us about a 2-minute easter egg!
-Marc.
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I remember how on Exodus's Exhibit A: The Atrocity Exhibitions, on the track 'Bedlam 1.2.3' it was listed as 18 minutes long, but the song was only about 8 or so minutes long; and around 2 minutes left, a banjo version of 'Bonded By Blood' came on :lol
Now seeing as the song is still 19 minutes long, I'll be thankful for only having to wait a minute or so for the easter egg, but I'd love it if they did something goofy of similar vein like Exodus did.
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The stream now prevents me from listening to it. It says that they won't let it be played in my region. :(
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:justjen: Mastodon's Pendulous Skin is 22:15 long, and it features 15 minutes of silence before it goes into a hidden track. So maybe IT will be another short and accessible song ;)
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The stream now prevents me from listening to it. It says that they won't let it be played in my region. :(
You're in Canada right? Have you tried this link:
https://puregrainaudio.com/audio/dream-theater-the-enemy-inside-song-stream-exclusive-canadian-premiere
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Did you really need confirmation? It said easter egg right on the board in the video!
A little reassurance goes a long way!
Could we finally have a studio version of the Canadian Rap? :metal
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Did you really need confirmation? It said easter egg right on the board in the video!
A little reassurance goes a long way!
Could we finally have a studio version of the Canadian Rap? :metal
Oh my god yes
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The stream now prevents me from listening to it. It says that they won't let it be played in my region. :(
You're in Canada right? Have you tried this link:
https://puregrainaudio.com/audio/dream-theater-the-enemy-inside-song-stream-exclusive-canadian-premiere
Zydar, you are my saviour. I've got a browser add-on that let's me see/listen to region locked material on sites, but one of my buddies desperately wanted to listen and couldn't. So I just wanted to say thanks a bunch :biggrin:
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The Enemy Inside just made me more anxious to listen the whole thing. Really, now I need snippets and stuff...
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Where did people get the accurate lengths from?
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Where did people get the accurate lengths from?
They were posted on a venezuelan thread from someone with an advance copy. Noxon then confirmed them.
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The Enemy Inside just made me more anxious to listen the whole thing. Really, now I need snippets and stuff...
Yes. Snippets. Like... RIGHT NAO. :metal
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The only problem with snippets is that they give me a VERY small section of each song to judge, and usually the rest of the song ends up being completely different. I remember people were judging the snippets from ADTOE all OVER the place about how they were crap this, crap that, yada yada. And then all those criticisms were thrown out the window, at least imo, when I heard the full songs. I was like "Oh! Yeah, that snippet was from a totally different mellow section of the song"
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Has no-one considered that Easter Egg Could be a working title?
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People did consider it, but I think the general consensus became that it must be something hidden in one of the songs (or at the end), because there were more titles on that whiteboard than there are titles on the final track listing
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Would the 'easter egg' be a joking kind of thing? If so, I cant see DT doing that, they are rather serious with albums
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Would the 'easter egg' be a joking kind of thing? If so, I cant see DT doing that, they are rather serious with albums
I could definitely see them doing that. They're very well known for throwing in bits of well-known melodies in the middle of live songs just for fun. Given, that's live, not in the studio. But even in studio they do fun easter egg type stuff...one of my favorites is a very strange (augmented, I believe, musically speaking) version of the jingle bells melody in Octavarium. Don't know the time marker off the top of my head but it's definitely there!
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why did they change the shape of the majesty logo?!
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why did they change the shape of the majesty logo?!
Hmm?? O.o Describe this change! I hadn't noticed
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Maybe it's just an optical illusion, but it looks as though the legs got stretched out a little longer! Am I crazy?!
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Maybe it's just an optical illusion, but it looks as though the legs got stretched out a little longer! Am I crazy?!
I'd say it's just an illusion due to the shininess of the new logo, most likely.
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It has changed... There's a pic from Blob I believe on page 8 or something.. I'll find it.
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Red one is old one, Silver is obviously new
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)
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Red one is old one, Silver is obviously new
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)
Well, I stand humbly corrected. Thank you sir! Doesn't particularly bother me though. I suppose that could change.... :P
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Dat single....overall fantastic. The riffage is excellent. Abit of The Dance Of Eternity feels at the end with the JR/JP duel haha. Labrie also sounds excellent here. The track invokes for me strong feelings of some Octavarium era stuff. Overall, I bloody love it. As usual, the single is usually the most accessible track...so I'm freaking out for the rest. This should hopefully well exceed ADTOE. Hoping Illumination Theory takes us to ultra epic heights.
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You know DT fans are picky when they get upset about a frickin' logo being *ever so slightly taller* than normal.
:lol
Some bands change their font on every album - like Green Day for instance. It doesn't bother me as long as it's not Comic Sans :lol
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Yeah but Green Day stole Iron Maiden's font so they suck even more than before.
MURICA
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But if you look at the Enemy Inside artwork, they use the old logo. They didn't change the logo, they just used a different looking one for the DT12 cover. Relax guys.
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Literally one person asked, "hey, is it just me or is the logo different?" No need to tell people to relax. :lol
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True, but I was referring to the plethora of complaints from a while ago too. But yes, I see now that it looks like I over reacted. My bad. :lol
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Literally one person asked, "hey, is it just me or is the logo different?" No need to tell people to relax. :lol
DTF is well trained in pre-emptive crowd control.
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Yeah but Green Day stole Iron Maiden's font so they suck even more than before.
MURICA
Who stole whose font again?
(https://www.movieposterstudio.com/pimg/ManWhoFellToEarth_GBQ.jpg)
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*****************MIND............................................BLOWN**********************
EDIT:
I was drawing that logo on my Pee-chee almost 30 years ago. I have *NEVER* seen that movie poster.
I'm 43 years old...I've been an IM fan for 30 years....and I have JUST NOW discovered that they did not invent that font.
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Yeah but Green Day stole Iron Maiden's font so they suck even more than before.
MURICA
Who stole whose font again?
(https://www.movieposterstudio.com/pimg/ManWhoFellToEarth_GBQ.jpg)
:omg:
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The stream now prevents me from listening to it. It says that they won't let it be played in my region. :(
You're in Canada right? Have you tried this link:
https://puregrainaudio.com/audio/dream-theater-the-enemy-inside-song-stream-exclusive-canadian-premiere
Zydar, you are my saviour. I've got a browser add-on that let's me see/listen to region locked material on sites, but one of my buddies desperately wanted to listen and couldn't. So I just wanted to say thanks a bunch :biggrin:
Glad to help :tup
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My browser has no such add-ons, and I'm Canadian, but the USA Today link worked perfectly fine for me. Or did they restrict it after the fact?
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Yeah but Green Day stole Iron Maiden's font so they suck even more than before.
MURICA
Who stole whose font again?
(https://www.movieposterstudio.com/pimg/ManWhoFellToEarth_GBQ.jpg)
:omg:
https://fontmeme.com/iron-maiden-font/
Had no idea! :omg:
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Lol, Steve Harris claiming to have created the IM font is as silly as CD claiming to have created the majesty symbol...
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My browser has no such add-ons, and I'm Canadian, but the USA Today link worked perfectly fine for me. Or did they restrict it after the fact?
Worked for me as well although I'm European.
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Don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but the preorders are up on the RR webstore. (https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=dream+theater)
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Don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but the preorders are up on the RR webstore. (https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=dream+theater)
Nice! I'd get the collectors box set just for the contents of the USB stick.
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So, this is probably old news, but I notice that on the pre-order site, it confirms that the album artwork was done by Hugh Syme.
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I don't know what I'll be getting. I don't have a vinyl player (yet, I might get one sometime) and I don't have a 5.1 surround set, so those would be quite useless. The iPhone gel skin shit is also useless for me since I don't have an iPhone. However, the contents of the USB stick are awesome and the artwork should be good.
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DAT LIMITED EDITION
(https://cdn.wmgecom.com/production/media/catalog/product/cache/142/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/o/collectors_placeholder_800x800_1.jpg)
Product Description
*Exclusive Artwork by Hugh Syme.
Custom Box Set Holds:
• Custom 2GB Majesty Symbol USB Stick containing:
- Isolated stems of "Behind The Veil"
- "Take This For The Pain (Mike Mangini Audition Improv Jam)" - 30 minute documentary. :omg: :omg:
• Exclusive 7" of "The Bigger Picture" on clear vinyl, wrapped and sealed with a custom wax seal.
• Gel-skin iDots of Majesty Symbol for iPhone.
• 2-Disc embossed Deluxe Edition digi with bonus disc of 5.1 audio mix + expanded packaging.
• 180-gram 2-LP embossed gatefold vinyl with high quality FLAC files of full album.
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It's the limited edition for me. Dream Theater is one of the few bands I support financially as much as I can.
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It would be great if they offered instrumental mixes once again, i don't really find 5.1 mixes appealing (unless it's by Steven Wilson :P )
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- "Take This For The Pain (Mike Mangini Audition Improv Jam)" - 30 minute documentary. :omg: :omg:
DAYAM.
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I'd love to have the 5.1 mixes, but what's the point if I don't have a 5.1 surround set?
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So the CD/DVD Deluxe edition in fact contains no DVD footage and is a 5.1 audio mix.
So was the in-studio footage recorded by OTE only use in those 3 two minute videos?? ???
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Don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but the preorders are up on the RR webstore. (https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=dream+theater)
Nice packaging!
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If only I had the money :( I think the digipak has to do it for me :-\
And quite disappointing that there is no in-studio footage.
EDIT: btw, does this remind anyone else of the limited edition of Opeth's Watershed?:
(https://i.imagebanana.com/img/8ehrh783/collectors_placeholder_800x800_1.jpg)
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Yes, it does, nice find :tup
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"Bundle Includes:
- Deluxe Edition CD/DVD
- Digital Album
- Immediate Download of 'The Enemy Inside' Digital Single"
nice :tup
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EDIT: btw, does this remind anyone else of the limited edition of Opeth's Watershed?:
It reminds me more of Whitesnake S/T and Slip of the Tongue. And guess who did the art for those?
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Preorder's not up on de.roadrunnerrecords.com and amazon.de yet.
If the German release date really is the 20th, then I think I'll wait for those.
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- "Take This For The Pain (Mike Mangini Audition Improv Jam)" - 30 minute documentary. :omg: :omg:
DAYAM.
*whimper*
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It would have made more sense to include that with ADTOE, but definitely better late than never! :tup I'm glad they've included that somewhere, although I'm not sure I'd personally spend $100 just to get that.
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(https://cdn.wmgecom.com/production/media/catalog/product/cache/142/image/460x/62defc7f46f3fbfc8afcd112227d1181/s/t/standardjewel_digitalalbum_800x800_1.jpg)
I find the cover looks better with the words :corn
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Eh, not really feeling any interest in the limited edition this time around, I've bought it every time for previous albums, but a 5.1 mix is pretty dull and I don't have an appropriate surround sound system anyway.
The deluxe edition sounds more interesting as it has the MM audition jam, which should be brilliant, but I don't have a vinyl player, so again there's just no point in me getting that.
Bit of a let down, personally.
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^^ this really. I'm a sucker for digipaks and digibooks and all that fun stuff, but if the only bonus feature apart from the packaging is a 5.1 mix (and I also don't have a surround system), I might consider just getting the standard jewel case edition.
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It would have made more sense to include that with ADTOE, but definitely better late than never! :tup I'm glad they've included that somewhere, although I'm not sure I'd personally spend $100 just to get that.
Same here. But agai, not sure, I'll probably change my mind soon. The USB stick is so damn cool. :metal
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The fact that they're releasing the individual stems of Behind the Veil only suggests to me that that might be the instrumental.
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I think it was confirmed in one review that The Enigma Machine is the instumental. I don't have the link though.
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Phew shit... It never feels good spending that much money, but I pre-ordered my deluxe box set. Some pretty awesome stuff in there, but I have to say, I'm pretty disappointed that there isn't a bonus disc with instrumental mixes.
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The fact that they're releasing the individual stems of Behind the Veil only suggests to me that that might be the instrumental.
Yeah I was thinking exactly the same thing. Still don't get why they didn't put all stems for each song like on BC&SL. That is really cool for people who wanna play along with DT :D
I think it was confirmed in one review that The Enigma Machine is the instumental. I don't have the link though.
If you ever find it, could you post it here please? :)
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Pre-ordered the deluxe box set. The RR store spoke of 4-6 weeks for shipping so I'm guessing I won't have my box on the day the album officially drops so I'm wondering if they will give us a digital download to use while we wait for it to arrive or if I should place an order for the regular version from a local store.
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Pre-ordered the deluxe box set. The RR store spoke of 4-6 weeks for shipping so I'm guessing I won't have my box on the day the album officially drops so I'm wondering if they will give us a digital download to use while we wait for it to arrive or if I should place an order for the regular version from a local store.
I can't seem to find a way to download The Enemy Inside that's supposed to come immediately with the pre-order. Would you (OR ANYONE) happen to know how I'd go about doing that?
EDIT: Nevermind, I figured it out.
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Hope the deluxe box set will be available to pre order from amazon.de, ADTOE wasn't, if i remember well it was available from roadrunnerUK. If the release date is the 9/20 here in germany i wouldn't like to wait till 9/24, and shipping from the US could even take longer.
The band seems to be open to fans wishes, i don't think the original plan was to release anything else from Mangini's audition. And if by high quality FLAC they mean the HD tracks, then the box set is almost perfect. Only critique point is that they only release the stems for Behind the Veil.
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If the release date is the 9/20 here in germany
I really want to know that now >:( :dangerwillrobinson:
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PM me if you get new information from amazon.de or RR Germany.
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Pre-ordered the deluxe box set. The RR store spoke of 4-6 weeks for shipping so I'm guessing I won't have my box on the day the album officially drops so I'm wondering if they will give us a digital download to use while we wait for it to arrive or if I should place an order for the regular version from a local store.
I can't seem to find a way to download The Enemy Inside that's supposed to come immediately with the pre-order. Would you happen to know how I'd go about doing that?
Yeah, after I confirmed my order I got to the order confirmation page and there I could click a link to download the single.
Did you register at the store when you placed your order? If so you can log in and then click My Wishlist to access this menu which will allow you to click on My Downloadable Products. See the color-coded walk-through below. =)
(https://i.imgur.com/zsieJYw.png)
Edit: And now that I look at the screenshot I made for you I can also see the answer to the question I posted earlier. Yes, we will get a digital version of the album while we wait for our deluxe box to be delivered.
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Thanks. I actually figured it out a couple minutes ago, haha. Sorry you had to go through all the trouble. :laugh:
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Thanks. I actually figured it out a couple minutes ago, haha. Sorry you had to go through all the trouble. :laugh:
Haha, no worries. Like I said in the "edit" above: I found the answer to my own question while doing it. Double win!
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Haha, no worries. Like I said in the "edit" above: I found the answer to my own question while doing it. Double win!
Allright, considering what you've just written, I'm about to preorder the Box Set :metal
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Allright, considering what you've just written, I'm about to preorder the Box Set :metal
Welcome to the cool club.
So, is anyone else going to make 100 backup copies of the USB contents?
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Allright, considering what you've just written, I'm about to preorder the Box Set :metal
Welcome to the cool club.
So, is anyone else going to make 100 backup copies of the USB contents?
LOL yeah, I'll probably do that! :tup
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And another Limited Edition Collector's Box Set ordered... now I'm off for a single download test drive.
Greetings...
Nef
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And another Limited Edition Collector's Box Set ordered... now I'm off for a single download test drive.
Greetings...
Nef
Have fun. It sounds a lot better than the stream.
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From the top only the "O" really looks that similar.
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I think I'll just get the standard version. A little bit disappointed.. :sad:
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From the top only the "O" really looks that similar.
what the hell are you talking about :lol
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The new single is boring Metal... I hope the other songs will sound better :facepalm:
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Yay! The box set looks awesome. Those of you without a 5.1 and/or record player are missing out. I got a brand new player for 45 bucks two years ago and it works fine, and records sound amazing on it.
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Where are the different packages listed?
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Where are the different packages listed?
RR shop
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Yeah but Green Day stole Iron Maiden's font so they suck even more than before.
MURICA
* Would argue but this could descend into an "every album they do is exactly the same" argument which neither of us can win *
:lol
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- "Take This For The Pain (Mike Mangini Audition Improv Jam)" - 30 minute documentary. :omg: :omg:
DAYAM.
That had better be on the 2xdisc DVD edition. I'm not forking over some ungodly sum just for that.
Or i'll just watch YouTube and download it from there the moment it is up :P
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And another Limited Edition Collector's Box Set ordered... now I'm off for a single download test drive.
Have fun. It sounds a lot better than the stream.
Yep, it does. And I've bitched and ranted enough about that already in my listening reactions in the single thread. The stream and how awful it makes the song sound through good gear made me really dislike and almost bash the single although it's not that bad at all, it's simply not my preferred style. Can't wait to get home and play the single download through big speakers, the way it's supposed to be played.
Greetings...
Nef
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I don't really understand how a LP could include FLAC files. Other than that, I'm so getting this, like I got the last 2 limited editions.
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I don't really understand how a LP could include FLAC files. Other than that, I'm so getting this, like I got the last 2 limited editions.
The vinyl version includes a download of the full album as high quality FLAC files. It's more clear on the product image on this link-
https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/dream-theater-dream-theater-vinyl-2xlp.html
They just copied the same text verbatim into the boxset description, so it looks confusing that it's described on the same line as the LPs, but it's not related to the LP itself, hence it looking confusing.
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So the DVD is JUST the 5.1 Mix ?
Sod that. I don't need the album TWICE for extra money. :angry:
Studio stuffs or GTFO.
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Who's the resident CSI filter guy, again? In the very link blob posted there is the possibility to zoom in on the inside of the vinyl package and see some lyrics for "The Looking Glass"! :yarr
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I tried zooming in but it's totally illegible.
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Who's the resident CSI filter guy, again? In the very link blob posted there is the possibility to zoom in on the inside of the vinyl package and see some lyrics for "The Looking Glass"! :yarr
All I see is that there is no lyrics in the False Awakening Suite. Didn't know if that was established or not.
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The first two words are "I would", but I can't use photoshop nor I am a native English speaker. Maybe someone will have better luck.
Who's the resident CSI filter guy, again? In the very link blob posted there is the possibility to zoom in on the inside of the vinyl package and see some lyrics for "The Looking Glass"! :yarr
All I see is that there is no lyrics in the False Awakening Suite. Didn't know if that was established or not.
Well, I took it for granted from the information that FAS is supposed to be an Into track. But yes, that seems a confirmation.
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Who's the resident CSI filter guy, again? In the very link blob posted there is the possibility to zoom in on the inside of the vinyl package and see some lyrics for "The Looking Glass"! :yarr
Not high enough res to make out much unfortunately.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12_lyrics.jpg~original)
However, just as extra confirmation, the album cover shown has no cutoff. :tup
edit: the few lyrics I can make out are the same ones we've already gotten from the studio vids, I'm sure. :lol
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The art in the middle (with the red banner over it) - I wouldn't mind having that as the cover instead:
(https://cdn.wmgecom.com/production/media/catalog/product/cache/142/image/460x/62defc7f46f3fbfc8afcd112227d1181/d/e/deluxe_800x800_1.jpg)
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Have they said what's on the bonus DVD yet?
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Does anyone know if there a quicker way to get hold of the deluxe edition in Aus? RR is telling me it'll be a 4-6 week delivery! :eek
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Single is available on iTunes, and pre-order of the album. Bam.
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Does anyone know if there a quicker way to get hold of the deluxe edition in Aus? RR is telling me it'll be a 4-6 week delivery! :eek
I'd keep on eye on JB-Hifi. Nothing listed yet, but I'd expect they'll probably get it sooner than that.
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Does anyone know if there a quicker way to get hold of the deluxe edition in Aus? RR is telling me it'll be a 4-6 week delivery! :eek
Same thing here. I was thinking that I should order the regular edition from a local store as well, in order to be able to play it as soon as possible. After ordering the deluxe box I noticed that we'll get a digital download to enjoy while waiting for the deluxe box to be delivered. I might end up buying the regular CD anyhow, my parents would be overjoyed if I handed the CD to them out of the blue as they usually don't buy physical copies.
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Who's the resident CSI filter guy, again? In the very link blob posted there is the possibility to zoom in on the inside of the vinyl package and see some lyrics for "The Looking Glass"! :yarr
The image is just like the single stream. Way too compressed to get any details. (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/eyebrows.gif)
Greetings...
Nef
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Damn, if the only thing on the bonus DVD in the deluxe edition is a 5.1 mix of the album, I might just go for the standard edition. I'll never listen to it on a surround system. I'm way too poor to go for the box set, and although "Take this for the Pain" looks interesting, it'll probably be on Youtube soon enough.
Anyone else notice that a "The Bigger Picture" 7" comes with the box set? Sounds like it'll probably be the second single.
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- "Take This For The Pain (Mike Mangini Audition Improv Jam)" - 30 minute documentary. :omg: :omg:
OH. MUH. GAWD.
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I'll definitely be getting the Collector's Edition. I'm probably a bit too excited for this record - I didn't expect anything from ADTOE and was pleasantly surprised. Based on The Enemy Inside, I feel like I can't hype it up enough. I like the single more than the past three early releases.
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I honestly can't justify the price tag on that box set. :( I'll be getting the regular CD and trying to save a bit of money so the tour tickets/DVD won't gouge me so badly. COLLEGE?? WHO NEEDS COLLEGE?? THE ONLY THING IS DREAM THEATER.
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Damn, if the only thing on the bonus DVD in the deluxe edition is a 5.1 mix of the album, I might just go for the standard edition. I'll never listen to it on a surround system. I'm way too poor to go for the box set, and although "Take this for the Pain" looks interesting, it'll probably be on Youtube soon enough.
This is pretty much where I am at as well. I don't have a 5.1 sound system to listen to the album on, so the deluxe edition seems pointless to me. I would really like to see the MM jam, but spending $100 to see it seems crazy, especially since I could take or leave pretty much every thing else in the Box Set, as I don't have a record player for vinyls.
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Have they said what's on the bonus DVD yet?
The album in 5.1
AND THATS IT.
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I don't really understand how a LP could include FLAC files. Other than that, I'm so getting this, like I got the last 2 limited editions.
The vinyl version includes a download of the full album as high quality FLAC files. It's more clear on the product image on this link-
https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/dream-theater-dream-theater-vinyl-2xlp.html
They just copied the same text verbatim into the boxset description, so it looks confusing that it's described on the same line as the LPs, but it's not related to the LP itself, hence it looking confusing.
Has anyone considered that, if they're giving a download of FLAC files with the box set, those will actually be stems? Or is that possibility negated by the fact that they're specifically stating the inclusion of the Behind the Veil stem? Cause if I remember correctly, on BC&SL the stem files were FLAC.
I honestly can't justify the price tag on that box set. :( I'll be getting the regular CD and trying to save a bit of money so the tour tickets/DVD won't gouge me so badly. COLLEGE?? WHO NEEDS COLLEGE?? THE ONLY THING IS DREAM THEATER.
:tup
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Have they said what's on the bonus DVD yet?
The album in 5.1
AND THATS IT.
Huh. Probably won't be getting that.
I honestly can't justify the price tag on that box set. :( I'll be getting the regular CD and trying to save a bit of money so the tour tickets/DVD won't gouge me so badly. COLLEGE?? WHO NEEDS COLLEGE?? THE ONLY THING IS DREAM THEATER.
lolcollege :P
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I don't really understand how a LP could include FLAC files. Other than that, I'm so getting this, like I got the last 2 limited editions.
The vinyl version includes a download of the full album as high quality FLAC files. It's more clear on the product image on this link-
https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/dream-theater-dream-theater-vinyl-2xlp.html
They just copied the same text verbatim into the boxset description, so it looks confusing that it's described on the same line as the LPs, but it's not related to the LP itself, hence it looking confusing.
Has anyone considered that, if they're giving a download of FLAC files with the box set, those will actually be stems? Or is that possibility negated by the fact that they're specifically stating the inclusion of the Behind the Veil stem? Cause if I remember correctly, on BC&SL the stem files were FLAC.
Pretty sure the mention of the Behind The Veil stems would negate that, as you said. The BCASL stems were actually WAV, although I'm not sure it would really matter, since both are lossless formats.
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As much as I want the Box set, I'll probably do what I did for ADTOE... Vinyl + Digital. :JayOctavarium:
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I would love FLAC files of the album, but if it isn't even sure that the FLAC files are the tracks, then I'm certainly not going to buy it.
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I would love FLAC files of the album, but if it isn't even sure that the FLAC files are the tracks, then I'm certainly not going to buy it.
I think we're more not sure whether the FLAC files are simply FLAC versions of each song, or if they are actual FLAC files of the stems of each instrument from each song. I was hoping for the latter, desperately, but it looks to not be the case. :/ Prolly getting the box set anyway though.... :P
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Anyone else notice that a "The Bigger Picture" 7" comes with the box set? Sounds like it'll probably be the second single.
Interestingly enough, the label on the extra vinyl in the picture says "The Enemy Inside", not "The Bigger Picture". They should probably update the description.
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I may be late to the party here, but I've noticed that recent pics of the DT cover add the band name logo, which we haven't seen on this album before.
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I noticed that as well.
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I think that's simply for the "eyecatching factor" on the online store, but not part of the actual artwork. I can imagine a sticker with the band name ending up on the jewel case however.
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I think that's simply for the "eyecatching factor" on the online store, but not part of the actual artwork. I can imagine a sticker with the band name ending up on the jewel case however.
This. Kvelertak do the same thing, the wrap has a sticker on it with the band logo, and I usually peel it off carefully and now I have a sticker :D
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Custom 2GB USB stick in the shape of the Majesty Symbol containing:
Isolated stems of “Behind The Veil.” Fans are encouraged to post their remixes; prizing to be awarded; details forthcoming.
www.dreamtheater.warnerartists.net/en/catalog/product/view/id/43631?eml=2013August6%2F751679%2F6128938
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Custom 2GB USB stick in the shape of the Majesty Symbol containing:
Isolated stems of “Behind The Veil.” Fans are encouraged to post their remixes; prizing to be awarded; details forthcoming.
www.dreamtheater.warnerartists.net/en/catalog/product/view/id/43631?eml=2013August6%2F751679%2F6128938
We need a dance remix of it, like the POW remix in that iPod commercial. :lol
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No studio doc? :'(
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Is anyone else more disappointed that there are no instrumental remixes? BC&SL and ADTOE really spoiled me, so I was practically expecting them.
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Is anyone else more disappointed that there are no instrumental remixes? BC&SL and ADTOE really spoiled me, so I was practically expecting them.
Yeah i would love to see instrumental mixes in the deluxe edition instead of a 5.1 mix which i think is a bit useless.
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I honestly can't justify the price tag on that box set. :( I'll be getting the regular CD and trying to save a bit of money so the tour tickets/DVD won't gouge me so badly. COLLEGE?? WHO NEEDS COLLEGE?? THE ONLY THING IS DREAM THEATER.
LOL my lil sis said exactly the same thing :D
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Is anyone else more disappointed that there are no instrumental remixes? BC&SL and ADTOE really spoiled me, so I was practically expecting them.
I'm more disappointed about there not being stems. For me, instrumental tracks are nice, and then stems are like the next level up in awesomeness. It's unbelievably helpful when trying to learn DT music to be able to hear JUST the instrument you're focusing on; and then, you can play along to the song MINUS the one instrument you are playing. I've always been a bit bitter that they've only done stems for BC&SL, because that's the one album off of which I don't really care to learn anything :lol
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Is anyone else more disappointed that there are no instrumental remixes? BC&SL and ADTOE really spoiled me, so I was practically expecting them.
I'm more disappointed about there not being stems. For me, instrumental tracks are nice, and then stems are like the next level up in awesomeness. It's unbelievably helpful when trying to learn DT music to be able to hear JUST the instrument you're focusing on; and then, you can play along to the song MINUS the one instrument you are playing. I've always been a bit bitter that they've only done stems for BC&SL, because that's the one album off of which I don't really care to learn anything :lol
I think we'll never get full album stem tracks from now on, since they sell the songs on Jammit, which is helpful for such purposes.
It's just a much much bigger amount of money to make instead of giving the stems via a way where they can be pirated and distributed easily and for free.
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I pre-ordered the standard edition. If there were other goodies on the DVD, I would have gotten that, but I don't have my own 5.1 system. My friend who lives with me does however, and also is a fan of DT so he will be getting the 5.1 edition.
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I think we'll never get full album stem tracks from now on, since they sell the songs on Jammit, which is helpful for such purposes.
It's just a much much bigger amount of money to make instead of giving the stems via a way where they can be pirated and distributed easily and for free.
I was thinking just that. It saddens me. Jammit is a freakin awesome website, admittedly, so I get that they may make more money that way. However, there is NO way to use/download Jammit tracks for offline use, right? That's why it makes me sad. People find ways to pirate everything, whether it's provided to them on a disc or not... :/
If DT put ALL of the songs from the new album up on Jammit immediately (or very soon) after it releases, then mehhhhhhhbe it's ok with me :P
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I honestly can't justify the price tag on that box set. :( I'll be getting the regular CD and trying to save a bit of money so the tour tickets/DVD won't gouge me so badly. COLLEGE?? WHO NEEDS COLLEGE?? THE ONLY THING IS DREAM THEATER.
LOL my lil sis said exactly the same thing :D
I should make that into a shirt.
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However, there is NO way to use/download Jammit tracks for offline use, right?
I found a way. :xbones
Been performing DT songs at Karaoke for some time now, thanks to that.
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I may have missed it, but is the DVD a DVD-Audio disc or is it lossy Dolby Digital 5.1?
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I may have missed it, but is the DVD a DVD-Audio disc or is it lossy Dolby Digital 5.1?
I don't think it's specified. I didn't even know that DVD Audio disc was a thing.
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However, there is NO way to use/download Jammit tracks for offline use, right?
I found a way. :xbones
Been performing DT songs at Karaoke for some time now, thanks to that.
:omg: JELLY
I honestly can't justify the price tag on that box set. :( I'll be getting the regular CD and trying to save a bit of money so the tour tickets/DVD won't gouge me so badly. COLLEGE?? WHO NEEDS COLLEGE?? THE ONLY THING IS DREAM THEATER.
LOL my lil sis said exactly the same thing :D
I should make that into a shirt.
If you do please send me one :lol
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I should make that into a shirt.
If you do please send me one :lol
I don't actually know how to make shirts. Oh well. It was a good thought!
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I should make that into a shirt.
If you do please send me one :lol
I don't actually know how to make shirts. Oh well. It was a good thought!
zazzle.com is a decent place to design your own t-shirts! :D I can see it now...
COLLEGE?
WHO NEEDS COLLEGE?
THE ONLY THING IS DREAM THEATER :metal
<insert epic DT logo pic here>
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:omg: JELLY
Of course, I also had to get karaoke making software, and that cost me $100. :blush
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:omg: JELLY
Of course, I also had to get karaoke making software, and that cost me $100. :blush
Hmmm, not quite as jelly....But still. :tup
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I should make that into a shirt.
That would kickass :metal :biggrin:
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No studio doc? :'(
From the other thread:
At DTF... "Most Online Today: 890."
Possible we finally break the 1000 barrier?
I'm guessing that will happen during this album release cycle, but not today. I could tell you which date I am predicing that will happen, but if I told you, I would have to kill you, so...
Fingers Crossed? :yeahright
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is this a new pic?
(https://i.imgur.com/sef2u1k.jpg)
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Looks new
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MIB - Mangini In Black
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I get the impression that MM hates trying to look all serious, and it shows in every pic :D Love it!
MIB - Mangini In Black
:clap:
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Jordan always looks confused in these pictures. It's as if he stumbled into the wrong photo shoot or something.
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JM looks like he lost weight. His neck looks way thinner lately.
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Jordan always looks confused in these pictures. It's as if he stumbled into the wrong photo shoot or something.
"I thought I was meeting Tony and Marco here. "
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JM looks like he lost weight. His neck looks way thinner lately.
Duuuuude I've been noticing that! He's always been a skinny guy, but dang...almost beginning to look anorexic, even. Ok not really, but he is getting Really skinny. Maybe it's just his old middle age?
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I love how Mangini looks in this
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Duuuuude I've been noticing that! He's always been a skinny guy, but dang...almost beginning to look anorexic, even. Ok not really, but he is getting Really skinny. Maybe it's just his old middle age?
Well, let's just hope that's all it is. And not some health problems or something. :/
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Duuuuude I've been noticing that! He's always been a skinny guy, but dang...almost beginning to look anorexic, even. Ok not really, but he is getting Really skinny. Maybe it's just his old middle age?
Well, let's just hope that's all it is. And not some health problems or something. :/
Yeah... :-[
I love how Mangini looks in this
Basically they all look really awkward in their own subtle way except JP. But he honestly kind of just has an awkward air about him, in my mind, anyway :D
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Jordan always looks confused in these pictures. It's as if he stumbled into the wrong photo shoot or something.
That's what happens when keyboard players try to look tough. :lol
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Has anyone realized there's an arm on the left upper corner?
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LOL :lol
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Has anyone realized there's an arm on the left upper corner?
Wtf!! :rollin hahahaha! That's really weird...
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Has anyone realized there's an arm on the left upper corner?
Haha didnt notice that!!! Besides that, I actually like this pic... I think its cool! :tup
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I get the impression that MM hates trying to look all serious, and it shows in every pic :D Love it!
He looks like they gave him Novocain to stop him from smiling.
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I get the impression that MM hates trying to look all serious, and it shows in every pic :D Love it!
He looks like they gave him Novocain to stop him from smiling.
:rollin :lol
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Why's Tommy Wiseau in that picture? ???
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JR is surprised because you can't see what JP's hand is doing :zydarscouch:
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Sometimes I look at pictures like this and I just wonder what the hell I would do if I just walking on the street one day, minding my own business, turned a corner, and found these five guys looking exactly like this, staring at me.
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Sometimes I look at pictures like this and I just wonder what the hell I would do if I just walking on the street one day, minding my own business, turned a corner, and found these five guys looking exactly like this, staring at me.
Bow? Kiss their feet? Assuming you knew who they were.
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Sometimes I look at pictures like this and I just wonder what the hell I would do if I just walking on the street one day, minding my own business, turned a corner, and found these five guys looking exactly like this, staring at me.
Easy, I'd join them.
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Nice promo pic, although I just don't recognize MM without a smile. It looks wrong! :lol
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Has anyone realized there's an arm on the left upper corner?
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7293_1345039663.jpeg)
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JM has started ageing ._.
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Jordan always looks confused in these pictures. It's as if he stumbled into the wrong photo shoot or something.
He's saying, "Really? REALLY?? There's a fucking arm in the corner of this pic. Does NO ONE ELSE SEE IT? Ar you all blind?" :lol
While MM is like "The difference is, I make this look good!" :zydarscouch:
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That pic looks awesome, except for the arm.
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Jordan always looks confused in these pictures. It's as if he stumbled into the wrong photo shoot or something.
He's saying, "Really? REALLY?? There's a fucking arm in the corner of this pic. Does NO ONE ELSE SEE IT? Ar you all blind?" :lol
While MM is like "The difference is, I make this look good!" :zydarscouch:
Nice "Agent J"
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Jordan always looks confused in these pictures. It's as if he stumbled into the wrong photo shoot or something.
He's saying, "Really? REALLY?? There's a fucking arm in the corner of this pic. Does NO ONE ELSE SEE IT? Ar you all blind?" :lol
While MM is like "The difference is, I make this look good!" :zydarscouch:
Nice "Agent J"
"Zed... Zed, I can be agent M!" :rollin
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Nice promo pic, although I just don't recognize MM without a smile. It looks wrong! :lol
^ this! Please let him smile.
JM has started ageing ._.
Well it was about fucking time, don't ya think? :D
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Jordan always looks confused in these pictures. It's as if he stumbled into the wrong photo shoot or something.
(https://i.imagebanana.com/img/tzrxde0u/jr.JPG)
btw, I think JP is starting to look less beary :huh:
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Jordan always looks confused in these pictures. It's as if he stumbled into the wrong photo shoot or something.
(https://i.imagebanana.com/img/tzrxde0u/jr.JPG)
btw, I think JP is starting to look less beary :huh:
Now that u mention it, He really does! I wish he would go back to his octavarium super saiyan-look :P But i'm sure he wont :D
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Yeah, I'm definitely noticing a certain weight loss on JP's part. Maybe he atomized the last gym on Earth with his power and hasn't worked out ever since ???
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Has anyone realized there's an arm on the left upper corner?
How on earth did they miss that? :rollin
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I don't get why [rock] bands never smile in photos.
Or when they scowl as if they hate life or even flip the middle fingers.
It just looks so fake and forced and lame.
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I don't get why [rock] bands never smile in photos.
Or when they scowl as if they hate life or even flip the middle fingers.
It just looks so fake and forced and lame.
Depends on what fits the band. A lot of band photos would just look stupid if they were grinning. A promo image should fit the image of the band, there's no one choice that fits every band from every genre.
In the case of DT, it does look forced, because we know they're light hearted fun guys. I'd love to see a promo photo where they're looking happy and informal, because they don't suit the neutral look. In the case of many other bands, a photo like that would be perfectly fine.
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I preferred the band shot that was released at the same time as the album cover. I really felt there was no arm in it :biggrin:
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:loser:
Anyway - i don't expect bands to be like " :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: : in photos - just doing that " not smiling or frowning " look where it's just a relaxed face :azn: < like this :P
Family photos kinda neutral. Just that " i'm not smiling or frowning - lets just get this over with " :lol
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(https://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l141/phil12323/DTSmiley.jpg) (https://s95.photobucket.com/user/phil12323/media/DTSmiley.jpg.html)
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Vast improvement, thankies :laugh:
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I thought so too
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The arm is still there though :(
I'll do some shoopin' tonight.
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(https://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l141/phil12323/DTSmileymp.jpg) (https://s95.photobucket.com/user/phil12323/media/DTSmileymp.jpg.html)
Fixd
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Excellent ;D
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I can't imagine that being the real promo pic. There's no way they would have missed that arm.
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Well when you consider this was the original, you can understand why
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/jcmoorehead/armwutarm_zps06349777.jpg)
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Well, JP has the right to bear arms :neverusethis:
:|
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I think they should've used the original then.. :P
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Perhaps it's James Labries spare F# arm?
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Well, JP has the right to bear arms :neverusethis:
:clap:
HAHA ITS SO FUNNI BECAUSE TEHERE ARE TWO JOKES IN ONE SENTENCE OLOL !!11 GET IT GET IT
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You have to hand it to him
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This arm is from the enemy (amost) inside (the picture).
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Well elbow to your superior knowledge.
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Well elbow to your superior knowledge.
I like the photo.
I think they (finger)nailed the pose.
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That's more like it, awesome photo. :metal
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I don't get why [rock] bands never smile in photos.
Or when they scowl as if they hate life or even flip the middle fingers.
It just looks so fake and forced and lame.
I don't think I'll ever understand the whole image thing. I could totally wear all black when playing funk or something crazy colorful when playing metal, with or without a smile. Not that I smile much, but that has little to do with genres or image. I dig Henrik Linder from Dirty Loops, he looks kinda punk-ish but is smiling a lot and is playing funky fusion-pop. Totally wrong to most people, but I think that's just right. I don't like all these boxes that you should fit into if you do this or that. I'm all for personal choice and style, dress codes and other unwritten rules seem so illogical and unreasonable to my brain.
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Either way, this is my favorite promo pic ever:
(https://exclaim.ca/images/rush3.jpg)
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Cover art appears to be fixed! No more cutoff.
(https://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6199/nz7j.jpg)
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Cover art appears to be fixed! No more cutoff.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38042.175 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38042.175)
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Either way, this is my favorite promo pic ever:
(https://exclaim.ca/images/rush3.jpg)
Rush has many great ones :lol
(https://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/noisecreep.com/files/2010/05/01-rush-400ak050410.jpg)
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Jesus Lizard also have some pretty great ones.
(https://i.imgur.com/80RkhVT.jpg)
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Well when you consider this was the original, you can understand why
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/jcmoorehead/armwutarm_zps06349777.jpg)
:rollin
JR looks like he's saying, "Oh, come on! Look what you're doing!"
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At least it's just an arm... I would be more concerned if there was the killing hand.
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Do we know of ballads on the album? I didn't go through the thread.
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Do we know of ballads on the album? I didn't go through the thread.
No the details on the songs themselves haven't been officially revealed, so we can only speculate. But I'm sure there's at least one.
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Do we know of ballads on the album? I didn't go through the thread.
No the details on the songs themselves haven't been officially revealed, so we can only speculate. But I'm sure there's at least one.
I'm thinking Behind the Veil and Along for the Ride.
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I'm thinking Behind the Veil and Along for the Ride.
I doubt that Behind The Veil is a ballad. I mean, it could be. But they're including the stems for Behind The Veil in the Box Set. And I don't really see why the ballad would be the one they provide stems for, and then encourage people to make remixes of.
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On wikipedia I can see the track lengths of every track:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_(album)
However, it being Wikipedia, it could be complete bogus, as I can't find a source anywhere.
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Well, let's see...
1. False Awakening Suite - This is the concert opener. No way is it a ballad.
2. The Enemy Inside - Duh, we know what it sounds like.
3. The Looking Glass - Considered a "Rush-like" song, doubtful it is a ballad.
4. Enigma Machine - Maybe, but I can't really see it. This is probably the instrumental.
5. The Bigger Picture - Maybe.
6. Behind The Veil - Maybe, but unlikely due to stems.
7. Surrender To Reason - Also considered a "Rush-like" song, doubtful.
8. Along For The Ride - Maybe.
9. Illumination Theory - Lolno.
On wikipedia I can see the track lengths of every track:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater_(album)
However, it being Wikipedia, it could be complete bogus, as I can't find a source anywhere.
FAS was confirmed by noxon to only be 2:42. The rest of the tracklengths are correct as confirmed by him, though.
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I looked at the edit history and it seems that someone changed the length of FAS.
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I'd bet a nickel that Along For the Ride is the ballad, due to the name giving the impression as one, and it's supposed length.
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I looked at the edit history and it seems that someone changed the length of FAS.
That would be me. Just now.
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Along for the Ride could easily be the ballad; it may be a little breather before the big epic.
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Wait, False Awakening Suite is a three-part song and only 2.42 in length? That's odd.
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Wait, False Awakening Suite is a three-part song and only 2.42 in length? That's odd.
It's also all instrumental with no lyrics! :tup
For anyone who says this album isn't going to do anything "new" in terms of what DT has done before, this opening track is TOTALLY new in terms of being an opening instrumental, and being 3 movements while under 3 minutes long.
It's not unusual, lots of bands do multi-movement songs/suites that last 5 or less minutes. Some done long songs withOUT movements. When the track times for BC&SL were released, I expect ANTR and TCOT to have movements, but the only track on that album that did was TSF and only because it was the last part of the Twelve-Step Suite.
-Marc.
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Man, I want this album now.
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3. The Looking Glass - Considered a "Rush-like" song, doubtful it is a ballad.
Rush did ballads. And what we've heard of the Looking Glass is pretty acoustic. Doesn't mean it's acoustic all through, but it means it'd be very wrong to rule it out.
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3. The Looking Glass - Considered a "Rush-like" song, doubtful it is a ballad.
Rush did ballads. And what we've heard of the Looking Glass is pretty acoustic. Doesn't mean it's acoustic all through, but it means it'd be very wrong to rule it out.
When have we heard any part of The Looking Glass? ???
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I'm just happy to hear Myung has adjusted his tone a bit to make it put a little more in the mix. He also is playing more Estring which makes it more audible. That 6 string was probably the worst decision he ever made. If only he could just play a simple jazz bass like Geddy. His 1970s tone was unmatchable imho :metal sounds like he's going in a better direction though. We shall see...
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3. The Looking Glass - Considered a "Rush-like" song, doubtful it is a ballad.
Rush did ballads. And what we've heard of the Looking Glass is pretty acoustic. Doesn't mean it's acoustic all through, but it means it'd be very wrong to rule it out.
When have we heard any part of The Looking Glass? ???
In the studio video #3!
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Time marker?? I DID NOT KNOW THIS
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Time marker?? I DID NOT KNOW THIS
EDIT: Wait, is it that scene where JP is playing the acoustic guitar?
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Just because he played it on acoustic in the video doesn't mean the song is like that. It looked like he was outlining the chords and making sure the lyrics worked with the vocal melody.
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Just because he played it on acoustic in the video doesn't mean the song is like that. It looked like he was outlining the chords and making sure the lyrics worked with the vocal melody.
True, but it sure sounded like a naturally acoustic song from what we heard, vocally and instrumentally.
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Just because he played it on acoustic in the video doesn't mean the song is like that. It looked like he was outlining the chords and making sure the lyrics worked with the vocal melody.
True, but it sure sounded like a naturally acoustic song from what we heard, vocally and instrumentally.
Considering it's Dream Theater, I wouldn't count on hearing a max of 3 seconds of acoustic + vocals meaning the entire song is that way. :P Also, when was it confirmed that the song in the video is indeed The Looking Glass?
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Just because he played it on acoustic in the video doesn't mean the song is like that. It looked like he was outlining the chords and making sure the lyrics worked with the vocal melody.
True, but it sure sounded like a naturally acoustic song from what we heard, vocally and instrumentally.
Considering it's Dream Theater, I wouldn't count on hearing a max of 3 seconds of acoustic + vocals meaning the entire song is that way. :P Also, when was it confirmed that the song in the video is indeed The Looking Glass?
Fair enough. :laugh: And I believe we CSI-ed the lyrics page he was holding up. Or he checked the box on the board for the lyrics for the song labeled "Looking Glass".
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Lots of songs on lots of albums by DT feature acoustic guitars for layering, even if they aren't blazingly obvious on the surface. This is a tried and true JP method.
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So the Wikipedia page for the album states the album length as 68:01. Unless someone forgot to edit back :facepalm:
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Confused..
The opening 3 part suite is not a long epic, it's a 3 minute song ----> how do we know that? who's noxon?
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Confused..
The opening 3 part suite is not a long epic, it's a 3 minute song ----> how do we know that? who's noxon?
Reviewer who got an advance copy. He is also a member here and posts semi-regularly.
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Just because he played it on acoustic in the video doesn't mean the song is like that. It looked like he was outlining the chords and making sure the lyrics worked with the vocal melody.
True, but it sure sounded like a naturally acoustic song from what we heard, vocally and instrumentally.
Considering it's Dream Theater, I wouldn't count on hearing a max of 3 seconds of acoustic + vocals meaning the entire song is that way. :P Also, when was it confirmed that the song in the video is indeed The Looking Glass?
Fair enough. :laugh: And I believe we CSI-ed the lyrics page he was holding up. Or he checked the box on the board for the lyrics for the song labeled "Looking Glass".
On the board, the songs were labeled by their working titles, not the final ones. As for the CSI filtering, that's likely how we know.
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Confused..
The opening 3 part suite is not a long epic, it's a 3 minute song ----> how do we know that? who's noxon?
Not sure if serious.
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I'm thinking Along for the Ride is the instrumental. Having no lyrics to it, it makes sense that it's the only one that kept the working title.
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@Gaspar: I could see the line "singing your own praise" in the LP package promo picture with my CSI eye, under the song "The Looking Glass". That line was being sung by James in the video :D
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Prog Misconception #58: Suite =/= Epic
And by suite, it could be any song with two or more subsections/movements/parts. Just because a song is labelled as having two or more parts doesn't mean it has to be some grandiose epic that goes on for more than 10, 15 or 20 minutes. Sure, a majority of suites end up being epics in the side-length range, but there are also a lot of bands, prog or not, who write songs that are 5 or less minutes that have 2 or 3 parts within them.
I like that DT are opening the new album with a short instrumental show-opening-styled piece, and by the sound of it, it seems like it goes through 3 moods/sounds/styles/changes, enough to warrant labeling them as three distinct movements in the suite, each being around 40-60 seconds long, I'm sure. I'm excited for it! :tup
I'm thinking Along for the Ride is the instrumental. Having no lyrics to it, it makes sense that it's the only one that kept the working title.
Highly unlikely, considering the song with the same working title was shown on the DT Progress Board as having a spot for lyrics.
-Marc.
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Ahh, thanks for the clarification! Too many details and I haven't been paying all that close attention.
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Ahh, thanks for the clarification! Too many details and I haven't been paying all that close attention.
No problem. Glad to be helpful. The only instrumentals on the album were the Opening/"YARGGG" and Song 5/"The Clover", as well as the "Easter Egg" at the end of "Illumination Theory"'s track.
And given that the 7" clear vinyl single in the Box Set is the song "The Bigger Picture", I doubt that would be the instrumental.
Also, given that the stems for "Behind The Veil" are included, I would assume they wouldn't include stems for the instrumental given that the last time they gave out stems was for their first single off their last album in the form of "On The Backs Of Angels", and I think having stems for all FIVE members would be cooler to have, so I can safely predict that "Behind The Veil" won't be the instrumental.
We've also seen lyric sheets for "The Looking Glass", so clearly that cannot be the instrumental either. This leaves "Enigma Machine" and "Surrender To Reason".
-Marc.
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I saw a few reviews saying Enigma Machine was the instrumental. Pretty sure they were posted here, even.
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I saw a few reviews saying Enigma Machine was the instrumental. Pretty sure they were posted here, even.
What? Where? Tell me.
If those reviews don't exist, though, I called it here, folks. Enigma Machine = instrumental.
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I saw a few reviews saying Enigma Machine was the instrumental. Pretty sure they were posted here, even.
What? Where? Tell me.
If those reviews don't exist, though, I called it here, folks. Enigma Machine = instrumental.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37931.0
Actually, about 109 people called it, starting July 9th. So yeah... :rollin
-Marc.
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I'd bet a nickel that Along For the Ride is the ballad, due to the name giving the impression as one, and it's supposed length.
I believe this is true. I expected it to be a bit of a rocker though from the title.
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Just realized: a 28 page booklet??? About half of the pages would be lyrics, say one page for credits, so that's around 14 pages of Syme art??? Maybe some studio photos???
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I saw a few reviews saying Enigma Machine was the instrumental. Pretty sure they were posted here, even.
What? Where? Tell me.
If those reviews don't exist, though, I called it here, folks. Enigma Machine = instrumental.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37931.0
Actually, about 109 people called it, starting July 9th. So yeah... :rollin
-Marc.
But.....but what you DON'T know, is that I used my psychic abilities of inception to plant that idea in all their heads.....
:instruception:
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^^^^^^^^ That isn't even close to being a funny or cool portmanteau of inception. :/
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Just realized: a 28 page booklet??? About half of the pages would be lyrics, say one page for credits, so that's around 14 pages of Syme art??? Maybe some studio photos???
Stock images of studios and people recording in those studios.
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Just because he played it on acoustic in the video doesn't mean the song is like that. It looked like he was outlining the chords and making sure the lyrics worked with the vocal melody.
He was. There's video of him doing a similar thing with Forsaken on the SC documentary. But... we know the lyrics were for Smoothen, and we know there are acoustic guitars in Smoothen cos it says so on the chart, so it seems plausible that the bit he was playing could've ended up in the song.
More to the point, though, I wasn't saying it was a ballad - just that Lucien's conclusion of "The Looking Glass can't be a ballad because it apparently sounds like Rush" is flawed, given that our (admittedly tiny) window into the song suggests a softer song way more than it does a harder one. If we are going to scrutinise meaningless bits of information, we might as well scrutinise them properly.
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Just realized: a 28 page booklet??? About half of the pages would be lyrics, say one page for credits, so that's around 14 pages of Syme art??? Maybe some studio photos???
Do we know if the special edition digipak includes the 28 pages from the jewel case or if it's just a regular sized booklet?
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More to the point, though, I wasn't saying it was a ballad - just that Lucien's conclusion of "The Looking Glass can't be a ballad because it apparently sounds like Rush" is flawed, given that our (admittedly tiny) window into the song suggests a softer song way more than it does a harder one. If we are going to scrutinise meaningless bits of information, we might as well scrutinise them properly.
Fair enough. I think a Rush influence on a softer more acoustic song would be less obvious. I'm expecting something like the first part of TBOT, which had Rush written all over it.
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Just realized: a 28 page booklet??? About half of the pages would be lyrics, say one page for credits, so that's around 14 pages of Syme art??? Maybe some studio photos???
SC has 22 pages and it is really thick booklet. This is gonna be HUGE.
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I'd bet a nickel that Along For the Ride is the ballad, due to the name giving the impression as one, and it's supposed length.
The only impression I get from that name is The Count Of Tuscany II ;)
Do we know if the special edition digipak includes the 28 pages from the jewel case or if it's just a regular sized booklet?
Pretty sure it's the same booklet.
Just realized: a 28 page booklet??? About half of the pages would be lyrics, say one page for credits, so that's around 14 pages of Syme art??? Maybe some studio photos???
Stock images of studios and people recording in those studios.
:clap:
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More like stock images of studios and stock images of people poorly photoshopped into them. :neverusethis:
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Well, I hope they will include some background stories for the songs featured in the album.
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Well, I hope they will include some background stories for the songs featured in the album.
:tup
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Well, I hope they will include some background stories for the songs featured in the album.
"So, the enemy inside.
JP: I had to take a hugh dump and I was in the middle of recording session. And everybody knows that recording studios don't have proper toilets. So I felt like my stomach could explode every single moment. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
This is The Enemy Inside".
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Well, I hope they will include some background stories for the songs featured in the album.
"So, the enemy inside.
JP: I had to take a hugh dump and I was in the middle of recording session. And everybody knows that recording studios don't have proper toilets. So I felt like my stomach could explode every single moment. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
This is The Enemy Inside".
The Enema Inside
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I didn't like it very much on the first listen but I wouldn't have called it a shit song either. ;D
Greetings...
Nef
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so you mean The Enemy Inside was Along For The Ride? :neverusethis:
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Noxon, when are you and everyone else allowed to post your reviews? Did RR give you a hard date?
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SOON...
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:soon:
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Well, I hope they will include some background stories for the songs featured in the album.
"So, the enemy inside.
JP: I had to take a hugh dump and I was in the middle of recording session. And everybody knows that recording studios don't have proper toilets. So I felt like my stomach could explode every single moment. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
This is The Enemy Inside".
I wish DT would dump Hugh...
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:lol
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Well, I hope they will include some background stories for the songs featured in the album.
"So, the enemy inside.
JP: I had to take a hugh dump and I was in the middle of recording session. And everybody knows that recording studios don't have proper toilets. So I felt like my stomach could explode every single moment. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
This is The Enemy Inside".
I wish DT would dump Hugh...
Thanks to you I can cover up my typo :)
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Well, I hope they will include some background stories for the songs featured in the album.
"So, the enemy inside.
JP: I had to take a hugh dump and I was in the middle of recording session. And everybody knows that recording studios don't have proper toilets. So I felt like my stomach could explode every single moment. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
This is The Enemy Inside".
I wish DT would hump Hugh...
They use him so much, I thought they were?
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:lol
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Noxon, when are you and everyone else allowed to post your reviews? Did RR give you a hard date?
SOON...
I would bet full album reviews probably won't go up until the end of the month at the earliest. More likely the first week of September. Just a guess though.
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I've completed the review (it's 6235 words long), so it'll go live when one of these events happen:
1) album leaks onto the internet
2) other full album reviews start appearing
3) sept 9th.
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1) album leaks onto the internet
This will never happen.
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1) album leaks onto the internet
This will never happen.
FTFY
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I've completed the review (it's 6235 words long), so it'll go live when one of these events happen:
1) album leaks onto the internet
2) other full album reviews start appearing
3) sept 9th.
Thanks for the update! Looking forward to reading it whenever it does hit!
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Thanks Noxon. Looks like hard date of 9/9.
It won't change anything about how my listening experience will unfold but I do enjoy reading reviews where people have taken
the time to dig into things.
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I've completed the review (it's 6235 words long), so it'll go live when one of these events happen:
1) album leaks onto the internet
2) other full album reviews start appearing
3) sept 9th.
Cool man. Looking forward to reading it!
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Complicated situation. If it's before septmeber 9th and no other full reviews are released, then by posting your review here you would technically be hinting at the existance of album leaks and break the rules.
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He would be posting it at dtnorway anyway, you would have to find out yourself I would imagine.
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A bit disappointed with the preorder packs :-\ I would never give 99 bucks just for the awesome extra content, that's way too much.. they should have put the documentary at least on the cd + dvd version...
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Maybe they're planning something else with the "making of" videos? Online or something?
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Anyone else doing, like me, a full DT album discography run till the new album comes out? I've started today while playing games, but I'll probably continue to do only one or two albums per weekend to get closer to the release date. :metal
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Anyone else doing, like me, a full DT album discography run till the new album comes out? I've started today while playing games, but I'll probably continue to do only one or two albums per weekend to get closer to the release date. :metal
Eh, I did that a couple of months ago.
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I figured I would do it closer to the release date, and do less albums per week, otherwise I would probably want to keep doing it over and over again. :lol
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Anyone else doing, like me, a full DT album discography run till the new album comes out? I've started today while playing games, but I'll probably continue to do only one or two albums per weekend to get closer to the release date. :metal
Yep.
I will start September 13th, so I could listen to ADTOE on the 23rd, and then to DT12 on the 24th :)
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I started it a little while ago, and I also committed to only listen to the new single once per every DT album I listen to.
Although, I'm not just doing the albums, I'm doing the live albums, and their entire Videography... I might even get a couple of Ytsejam releases that I don't have yet.
Still, in spite of all that, I have a feeling I'll run out of material well before the 24th. But hopefully, now that I have Impermanent Resonance, listening to that will space out my DT listening sessions.
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Ordered the box set :metal
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I figured I would do it closer to the release date, and do less albums per week, otherwise I would probably want to keep doing it over and over again. :lol
So you can relive the moment?
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Sort Of New Discussion !
I didn't want to start a brand new thread for this :
Does anyone else apart from me feel a little bit relieved when there are 8 or more songs on a new DT album ?
I was a bit deflated about Black Clouds only having 6 songs as I knew that it would get old really fast and Dramatic Turn still sounds fresh as there is more
choice.
Furthermore - I'm also glad that the songs are all under 9 minutes as that too makes the album stay fresh longer ( in my opinion )...
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No such feelings here. I almost exclusively listen to full albums. I don't care whether it's 70 minutes of music in 6 epic multi-section songs or 9 shorter straight-forward songs.
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For me - when I just wanna throw on a song to get ready to. . .
If an album only has two short(er) songs on it and you're bored of those two already - I can't really be bothered putting on a 15 minute song which won't finish by the time i'm ready to go out. . .
Of course this isn't the only circumstance when i'll listen to a quick song but it's an example.
Sometimes you just wanna chuck on a quick song and Black Clouds has two songs which clock in under ten minutes.
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Anyone else doing, like me, a full DT album discography run till the new album comes out? I've started today while playing games, but I'll probably continue to do only one or two albums per weekend to get closer to the release date. :metal
Good idea! Are you starting with WDADU? I haven't ever listened to it entirely, mainly because I'm such a JLB fangirl that I have trouble bringing myself to listen to any Dream Theater that doesn't have his vocals. xD
Does anyone else apart from me feel a little bit relieved when there are 8 or more songs on a new DT album ?
I was a bit deflated about Black Clouds only having 6 songs as I knew that it would get old really fast and Dramatic Turn still sounds fresh as there is more choice.
Furthermore - I'm also glad that the songs are all under 9 minutes as that too makes the album stay fresh longer ( in my opinion )...
I think it entirely depends on the songs themselves, not the length. If an album is structured like BC&SL, I don't feel that necessarily means it won't stay fresh. I think the songwriting has far more to do with it feeling fresh than the length of the songs. For instance, take disc one of SDOIT. There's three songs that clock in at over 10 minutes, but I find that it has stayed fresh even with that length. So, I respectfully disagree with your opinion. :P
THAT BEING SAID I have no problem with short songs because they can be more convenient to listen to. My train ride to and from work is about 30 minutes each way. That's Octavarium and another short song, which doesn't always hit my Dream Theater fix. :biggrin:
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I used to think "the longer the song the better, teh progz ftw", but nowadays I agree with Kotowboy. There's more variety and excitement when an album contains more songs / shorter ones. Of course the chance of filler is bigger (if an album has 15 tracks, it's pretty much impossible in most cases that all 15 are great), but if there is some filler on let's say ADTOE, it wouldn't bother me as much as it does on BC&SL. On that album I consider two songs to be pretty much unlistenable (AROP and TBOT), and that ruins the entire listening experience.
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I'm not defending BC&SL. It's honestly probably my least favorite of their albums. However, I think I'm in the minority when I say that I didn't especially enjoy ADTOE. So maybe that's why I'm coming from the mentality I am, because I didn't necessarily enjoy the album we're using as an example.
I think it just depends on the mood I'm in. Sometimes I want to listen to a bunch of shorter songs, and sometimes I want to listen to a monstrous 8-part suite. Thankfully, Dream Theater is varied enough to supply both kinds of music for whatever mood I happen to be in.
To bring it back on topic a bit, I am incredibly excited about IT since I'm pretty sure it'll hit my cycle of epics right away. And the variety will probably work in this album's favor.
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am I allowed to post a translation of an italian fan's review who received a promo copy? he said is going to post his article today
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am I allowed to post a translation of an italian fan's review who received a promo copy? he said is going to post his article today
If not, PM please. Even in Italian :lol
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ahahha sure :D
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Good idea! Are you starting with WDADU? I haven't ever listened to it entirely, mainly because I'm such a JLB fangirl that I have trouble bringing myself to listen to any Dream Theater that doesn't have his vocals. xD
Listen to WDADU. The songs are mostly quite good, and Charlie's actually a pretty good singer.
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Good idea! Are you starting with WDADU? I haven't ever listened to it entirely, mainly because I'm such a JLB fangirl that I have trouble bringing myself to listen to any Dream Theater that doesn't have his vocals. xD
Listen to WDADU. The songs are mostly quite good, and Charlie's actually a pretty good singer.
Sadly, Spotify doesn't seem to have it. Any suggestions where to listen to a good quality version?
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Good idea! Are you starting with WDADU? I haven't ever listened to it entirely, mainly because I'm such a JLB fangirl that I have trouble bringing myself to listen to any Dream Theater that doesn't have his vocals. xD
Listen to WDADU. The songs are mostly quite good, and Charlie's actually a pretty good singer.
This. You might also check out the Score version of Afterlife (a WDADU song) and the When Dream And Day Reunite bootleg where the band plays the whole album live with JLB on vocals.
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Good idea! Are you starting with WDADU? I haven't ever listened to it entirely, mainly because I'm such a JLB fangirl that I have trouble bringing myself to listen to any Dream Theater that doesn't have his vocals. xD
Listen to WDADU. The songs are mostly quite good, and Charlie's actually a pretty good singer.
Sadly, Spotify doesn't seem to have it. Any suggestions where to listen to a good quality version?
Buy the CD :smiley:
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Yeah, you can get it on Amazon for less than ten bucks.
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:facepalm: I never think of actually getting the physical copies. I am so bad at this.
Edit: ALSO HEY LOOK NEW BOOKLET ART.
https://instagram.com/dtimages
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How BCSL of Mr. Syme :lol
But more importantly:
GOLDMINE / DARWIN - BEHIND THE VEIL :justjen
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(https://i.imgur.com/PG5Xakt.jpg)
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Our favourite graphic artist, here he goes again...
I never think of actually getting the physical copies.
:o
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Not to bash/discredit/whatever Mr. Syme, but that close up these models don't look that good, at least to me. Perhaps it's because they're on Instagram so the images are compressed, but the textures look blurry.
Edit: They might look a lot better when I can see the whole image. That could very easily be what's throwing me off.
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Hmm... Interesting, I'll reserve my judgement on that art until I see the whole thing!
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I never think of actually getting the physical copies.
:o
It's just something that doesn't really come to mind. Also money. Spotify is free. Buying albums isn't. :mehlin
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But...the artwork of a CD? The joy of listening and reading the booklet at the same time? Some beautiful packages like digibooks etc? And of course the look of a shelf full of CDs? I love all that and I understand that it doesn't matter to some people, or that they / you love the convenience of digital music, but to me, physical copies is a very important aspect of enjoying music :smiley:
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^ That, except I hate digipacks.
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It's generally the money that keeps me from buying albums. I'm actually a huge fan of having the physical objects in my hands versus digital equivalents. It's just expensive.
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There's definitely nothing wrong with using Spotify if that's what you prefer, but I think you'll find that most people here are big enough fans that they want the CDs as collector's items/for the booklet art/to have lossless quality of the music. Personally, when I first got into music seriously I bought stuff on iTunes but after about a year I decided I wanted to own things on CD, so I've been buying those ever since. In fact, I recently ordered CDs of several DT albums that I had only owned as digital copies before.
Again, there's nothing wrong with using Spotify IMO, but I think a lot of people here will consider that strange because they prefer to own a physical version.
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^ That, except I hate digipacks.
Except I mentioned digibooks, which are amazing. I like digipaks as well, but they get damaged more easily, and that sucks :P
And 425's post sums the whole discussion up, basically.
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hmm. I'm a bit lost now. What is the difference between digipaks and digibooks? I've just assumed they were the same.
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Wow, I feel so inferior now. xD It's literally just that I haven't had the opportunity to get them yet. I plan to.
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hmm. I'm a bit lost now. What is the difference between digipaks and digibooks? I've just assumed they were the same.
Digipaks are these folded things made out of relatively thin cardboard (the limited edition of the new JLB album is a digipak for example):
(https://hollywooddisc.com/images/P/CD_6panel_digipak.jpg)
Digibooks are basically books in the size of a CD, with the booklet being glued (or something like that) in there. Unlike digipaks, they are fairly stable (like a hardcover book):
(https://www.newcyberian.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/DigiBook2.jpg)
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Ah, okay. I don't like either one. :lol
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You should, cause digibooks kick ass ;)
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Well, for one thing, I like being able to take the booklet out. Also, I'm kind of obsessive about my collection, and I want everything to be uniform. So, if everything I bought was in a digipak, (or digibook) it'd be fine, but as it is they don't really fit with everything else.
Of course, the best solution would be to stop being obsessive, but I'm not gonna do that. ;D
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Digipack CDs don't fit in my shelves, so they're quite disliked. What's even more annoying is that about 50% of the CDs I've bought the last 2 years have been like this (even a few standard editions). I always want extra tracks if there are any, so I do end up buying the digipacks even though the relationship between me and them is like an old marriage at best. I want to have everything in a systematic order, but it's just chaos atm.
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Digipack CDs don't fit in my shelves, so they're quite disliked. What's even more annoying is that about 50% of the CDs I've bought the last 2 years have been like this (even a few standard editions). I always want extra tracks if there are any, so I do end up buying the digipacks even though the relationship between me and them is like an old marriage at best. I want to have everything in a systematic order, but it's just chaos atm.
I see what you did there. :biggrin:
I thought I was the only person who didn't like digipacks. Glad to know I'm not.
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\o
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You should, cause digibooks kick ass ;)
Digibooks are the champions.
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Anyone else doing, like me, a full DT album discography run till the new album comes out? I've started today while playing games, but I'll probably continue to do only one or two albums per weekend to get closer to the release date. :metal
Absolutely, I do full catalog runs before any release from my favorite bands. Still a bit early, but probably a week before release. I remember when I used to do it all in one sitting/day.
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I don't have the willpower to do that. I'd just get sick of Dream Theater and that wouldn't be good.
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You should, cause digibooks kick ass ;)
Digibooks are the champions.
:2metal:
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Wait, what?..
The new artwork is just a picture from the booklet, or am I missing somthing? :justjen
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Wait, what?..
The new artwork is just a picture from the booklet, or am I missing somthing? :justjen
Most likely, still pretty cool
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Does this mean that they'll release 2 groups of 3 fragments on saturday and sunday and we will get the song as a second single on monday? Kinda doubt it honestly, but a man can dream. :)
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Does this mean that they'll release 2 groups of 3 fragments on saturday and sunday and we will get the song as a second single on monday? Kinda doubt it honestly, but a man can dream. :)
They will release the other groups this weekend, yes, but I don't think the artwork has anything to do with another song being released :)
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Maybe song snippets, just like the bits and pieces of the images we get, who knows.
Greetings...
Nef
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Maybe song snippets, just like the bits and pieces of the images we get, who knows.
Greetings...
Nef
Actually, it makes a lot of sense.
But I would doubt it will happen that early.
But an artwork followed by snnipet every week is a brilliant idea :D
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There will be more information. Don't worry. What it is, I really can't tell you. But I'll be back next week and then you'll find out, yo!
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Yo! :D
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Yo is the new soon?
Greetings...
Nef
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:soon: :soon:
LOOK A YO YO.
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There will be more information. Don't worry. What it is, I really can't tell you. But I'll be back next week and then you'll find out, yo!
But... But... BUT! :huh:
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:soon: :soon:
LOOK A YO YO.
:facepalm:
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There will be more information. Don't worry. What it is, I really can't tell you. But I'll be back next week and then you'll find out, yo!
Gonna give it to your wife, yo?
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^This guy knows what time it is.
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:soon: :soon:
LOOK A YO YO.
:facepalm:
:marriageanalogy:
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:soon: :soon:
LOOK A YO YO.
I can say I think this is the funniest thing you have ever posted :rollin
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(https://i.imgur.com/d4VOTCY.jpg)
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:metal
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Anyone notice the arm in that picture?
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The arm is still there though :(
I'll do some shoopin' tonight.
No, don't take it out! Rick Allen has been looking for that thing for 3 decades!
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:lol
Looks like Jordan finally stumbled into the right photo shoot.
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DT gangstas :hat
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(https://i.imgur.com/d4VOTCY.jpg)
James looks kind of nervous with Mangini behind him LOL. "Let's get this over with"
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Mangini always looks like he's trying his best not to smile at all, but he never succeeds completely :lol
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Actually, JP got the weird look in this one.
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Is it just me, or does James' hair look way thicker than it did last tour? He looks like he may have gotten a hair transplant or something. Not that I'd judge him for it. In fact, the kind of money that DT makes, I'm sure they could afford stuff like that, and it would be beneficial career wise.
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Hugh Syme and his goddamn elephants...
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Why is there no poster with this deluxe edition?
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For those who can't get enough Myung... ;D
(https://www.dreamshade.net/foren/dreamtheaterforums/promo_dt12_myung.jpg)
Greetings...
Nef
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GET JOHN RUDESS THE HELL AWAY FROM ME!!
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John Rudess will consume my soul o__o
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Mike Myung still looks like JM ???
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Mike Myung still looks like JM ???
Which one is JM?
John Myung?
The other John Myung?
Jordan Myung?
James Myung?
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The one wearing black, obviously
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Mike Myung still looks like JM ???
Which one is JM?
John Myung?
The other John Myung?
Jordan Myung?
James Myung?
JMception
But I was speaking of John Myung... no the other one... the bassist.
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Nef, The James Myung one is priceless! :rollin
B.Lee
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John Rudess might be the most horrifying thing ever :omg:
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Mangini must be really tired of wearing lifts just to still be shorter than everybody.
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Is it just me, or does James' hair look way thicker than it did last tour? He looks like he may have gotten a hair transplant or something. Not that I'd judge him for it. In fact, the kind of money that DT makes, I'm sure they could afford stuff like that, and it would be beneficial career wise.
Probably more likely photoshop or he dyed his hair again, cause I think he's getting a lot of grey hair now and it makes him look like he's losing hair but he's actually not?
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I hope that they'll shed some light on what the songs are about SOON.
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:soon: :soon:
LOOK A YO YO.
I can say I think this is the funniest thing you have ever posted :rollin
:hefdaddy :heart
:hefdaddy :heart
:hefdaddy :heart
:hefdaddy :heart
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Probably more likely photoshop or he dyed his hair again, cause I think he's getting a lot of grey hair now and it makes him look like he's losing hair but he's actually not?
His hair's been going grey since the 90's, I think. I remember on 5YIALT, there's a part where JLB has a bit of a goatee, and it was quite grey.
But no, his hair was way thinner than it looks in the photo. It could be photoshop, I guess. Either way, it looks a lot fuller than it was last year. Or even as far back as the Chaos In Motion DVD.
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They've all been cooped up too long. 4/5 of the band is glowing.
Meanwhile, Myung is still the zen master. :zydar:
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They've all been cooped up too long. 5/8 of the band is glowing.
Meanwhile, Myung is still the zen master. :zydar:
FTFY
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I remember when this thread used to have 6 new pages every day. Now... silence. :lol
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I remember when this thread used to have 6 new pages every day. Now... silence. :lol
We have surrendered to reason.
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I remember when this thread used to have 6 new pages every day. Now... silence. :lol
We have surrendered to reason.
Not that I've seen.
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(https://i.imgur.com/SkQYj23.jpg)
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this is BCSL all over again :o
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I like it how Dream Theater is set as the brand for the screen-sort of thing.
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More like Power Windows.
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I really like it. It's intriguing. Especially the fact that the TV is unplugged yet on.
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this is BCSL all over again :o
It really is.
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I like it how Dream Theater is set as the brand for the screen-sort of thing.
??? :facepalm:
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This has to be somehow intentional :D
Maybe every page of the artwork is a reworking/deconstruction of one past album cover?
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https://audioroundtable.com/General/messages/5174.html
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https://audioroundtable.com/General/messages/5174.html
So it appears to be after midnight since the test pattern is on TV. But it's still unplugged...
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https://audioroundtable.com/General/messages/5174.html
Cool.
It looks there is also some text on the screen too. I can't make is out . . .
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I like how it says "Dream Theater" on the speaker of the TV, and of course those books are interesting as well. "Behind The Veil" with "Darwin" as the author, and a "Goldmine" book on top of it. Hmm... gets me even more excited about this album.
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Has any one heard if any import versions of the album have extra tracks?
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OMG! :-\
Is that:
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic1741542.png)
A Pokeball?
(https://demosthenes.info/assets/images/pokemon-ball.jpg)
:rollin :rollin
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OMG! :-\
Is that:
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic1741542.png)
A Pokeball?
(https://demosthenes.info/assets/images/pokemon-ball.jpg)
:rollin :rollin
I guess it's a Mar Ball. :biggrin:
B.Lee
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It's one of Mangini's missing marbles :P
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It's one of Mangini's missing marbles :P
If anything, I wouldn't say he's missing some marbles. I'd say he has too many. :D
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https://audioroundtable.com/General/messages/5174.html
So it appears to be after midnight since the test pattern is on TV. But it's still unplugged...
But it's light outside.... ???
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https://audioroundtable.com/General/messages/5174.html
So it appears to be after midnight since the test pattern is on TV. But it's still unplugged...
But it's light outside.... ???
Snow in street lights perhaps? Or early morning? The plot thickens.
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Isn't it... always after midnight?
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Isn't it... always after midnight?
Unless it's midnight. ;)
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Isn't it... always after midnight?
Unless it's midnight. ;)
:omg: Touché...
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I like how it says "Dream Theater" on the speaker of the TV, and of course those books are interesting as well. "Behind The Veil" with "Darwin" as the author, and a "Goldmine" book on top of it. Hmm... gets me even more excited about this album.
I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Darwin was irrelevant, and just happened to be on the spine of the book they added "Behind the Veil" to. It's embedded into the picture a little better - Behind the Veil looks like it's been popped on top. Cool if it's relevant, though.
Goldmine - I wonder if that's the name of the hidden track?
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Well you can only get gold nuggets from a goldmine :neverusethis:
Le Nuggets LE LE.
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Goldmine is from a lyric from Through the Looking Glass, as discovered by DTF investigators previously [citation needed].
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I'm so glad the people of this thread taught me the difference between digipacks and digibooks!! :D I hate digipacks, but a digibook is probably acceptable enough.
And also thanks for reminding me to do a full album run-through!!! I did that before....ADTOE, I think. Love doing that. I'll do one album per day starting 11 days before DT12, and just loop that album all day. :D
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I'll do one album per day starting 11 days before DT12, and just loop that album all day.
:clap:
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Well - maybe someone should to a countdown or something - because tomorrow is Six Weeks til album release day.
EDIT : https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?p0=136&iso=20130923T00&year=2013&month=9&day=23&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&msg=Dream%20Theater&fg1=000&fg2=80c2da
;D
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too damn long :dangerwillrobinson:
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too damn long :dangerwillrobinson:
:zydar:
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I'm sure Zyd hears that from all the girls.
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too damn long :dangerwillrobinson:
:zydar:
I somehow expected that :lol :heart
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too damn long :dangerwillrobinson:
:zydar:
You still have to know how to use the hose Fireman Zy. :lol
:king:
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(https://i.imgur.com/E5oufAG.jpg)
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Don't really like it at all :-\
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Don't really like it at all :-\
Same here.
It's just.. mah.
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I love it, but I'm a glass half full kind of guy. ;D
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I don't think one has to be a glass half empty guy to dislike something :)
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The usual uninspired random copy and paste hackjob by Syme. :tdwn
Greetings...
Nef
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Reminds me of Rush-Power Windows or something, can't complain I think it is pretty good.
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The usual uninspired random copy and paste hackjob by Syme. :tdwn
Greetings...
Nef
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Love the art
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Reminds me of Rush-Power Windows or something, can't complain I think it is pretty good.
Same here.
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I don't want DT to become one of those bands who have continually bad artwork out of some favour to Syme.
Therapy? use the same artist for every album even though some of his work is diabolical.
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Can't say I really like that. It looks like the books aren't even resting on the ground, and the tv's angle paired with the rooms odd feel don't really match up...
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I think it looks great, and that's what counts....... to me.
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I love it, but I'm a glass moon half full kind of guy. ;D
FTFM
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So the tv is power Windows inspired, the dolls are like Syme's work on this. In fact it could be the same room. This is from the early 90s.
(https://www.sleazeroxx.com/bands/bighouse/big.jpg)
Lazy.
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I like it
Wonder what the other art work looks like
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Hugh Syme uses similar themes in many of his works. Elephants, children "looking to the future", skulls, sky and space for example.
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Hugh Syme uses similar themes in many of his works. Elephants, children "looking to the future", skulls, sky and space for example.
What I don't get is, do they just tell him, "Hey, Syme, go ahead and do what you want"? Shouldn't they tell him what kinds of imagery to use in their album?
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Hugh Syme uses similar themes in many of his works. Elephants, children "looking to the future", skulls, sky and space for example.
What I don't get is, do they just tell him, "Hey, Syme, go ahead and do what you want"? Shouldn't they tell him what kinds of imagery to use in their album?
I really wish they would...
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I think it's time for change.
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I think it's time for a CHAAAAAAAAYAAAAAANGE!
FIFY
:dangerwillrobinson:
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I think it's time for CHAAAAAAAAYAAAAAANGE!
FIFY
:dangerwillrobinson:
:lol :lol :lol :lol
There is something that I feel, but the artwork doesn't seem real
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Hugh Syme uses similar themes in many of his works. Elephants, children "looking to the future", skulls, sky and space for example.
What I don't get is, do they just tell him, "Hey, Syme, go ahead and do what you want"? Shouldn't they tell him what kinds of imagery to use in their album?
how do we know they dont tell him the imagery to use? maybe Syme's typical themes just happen to be in line with what the band envisions for the album? personally i love Syme's work and have never had a problem with it (save for the cover cutoff issue, which was resolved). I think the BC&SL artwork is great, and wouldnt mind more of that style :)
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We're tired of the pictures in Syme's mind
They do nothing but hurt our eyes
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Hugh Syme uses similar themes in many of his works. Elephants, children "looking to the future", skulls, sky and space for example.
What I don't get is, do they just tell him, "Hey, Syme, go ahead and do what you want"? Shouldn't they tell him what kinds of imagery to use in their album?
how do we know they dont tell him the imagery to use? maybe Syme's typical themes just happen to be in line with what the band envisions for the album? personally i love Syme's work and have never had a problem with it (save for the cover cutoff issue, which was resolved). I think the BC&SL artwork is great, and wouldnt mind more of that style :)
I agree about the BC&SL artwork, but this one is just... weird.
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I remember reading that they just tell him the album name, and they send him some lyrics to get the mood of the album. I also remember reading that for ADTOE they asked him to make the colors brighter and less dark like their previous albums.
At least, I think I remember reading this...
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I imagine at least Portnoy was really involved in the artwork, since he likes to have a hand in all that stuff.
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The usual uninspired random copy and paste hackjob by Syme. :tdwn
Greetings...
Nef
tbh I havent seen you post ANYTHING positive regarding this new album whatsoever.
I mean, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, be as negative and crucial as you want, but DAMN. Since I dont really know any better, it almost seems like you dont even like the band.
my2˘
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The usual uninspired random copy and paste hackjob by Syme. :tdwn
Greetings...
Nef
tbh I havent seen you post ANYTHING positive regarding this new album whatsoever.
I mean, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, be as negative and crucial as you want, but DAMN. Since I dont really know any better, it almost seems like you dont even like the band.
my2˘
band =/= artwork
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What I don't understand is why they don't do what Arjen does - commission a real artist that makes a beautiful painting/artwork.
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What I don't understand is why they don't do what Arjen does - commission a real artist that makes a beautiful painting/artwork.
I would like this, I've always loved Ayreon's album art.
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I don't know why everybody just doesn't hire John Baizley.
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Their WWRD philosophy basically sums up the whole "Why Doesn't DT use anybody else?" problem. Personally I don't have a problem with that. The artwork looks cool, and for the most part I just care about the music. As mentioned earlier, I'm more of a Glass Moon half full type of person, and it seems like more people here should try and be the same way.
Take that as you will, but in my opinion this whole album cycle has been very pessimistic and I don't like it. So I'm hoping people come around and stop being so negative and just enjoy the process.
Also, I realize nothings all sunshine and rainbows. There will be some criticism, but this album cycle's criticism is just unusually high from what I've seen.
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I forgot DT were doing this.
Anyway, not sure why. If there's anything DT should have learned last time around, it's that throwing new Hugh Syme art out for the fans to chew on is almost never a good idea :P
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The usual uninspired random copy and paste hackjob by Syme. :tdwn
Greetings...
Nef
tbh I havent seen you post ANYTHING positive regarding this new album whatsoever.
I mean, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, be as negative and crucial as you want, but DAMN. Since I dont really know any better, it almost seems like you dont even like the band.
my2˘
band =/= artwork
no he hated on the single too
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The usual uninspired random copy and paste hackjob by Syme. :tdwn
Greetings...
Nef
tbh I havent seen you post ANYTHING positive regarding this new album whatsoever.
I mean, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, be as negative and crucial as you want, but DAMN. Since I dont really know any better, it almost seems like you dont even like the band.
my2˘
band =/= artwork
no he hated on the single too
So? Lucien's point still stands. I love love loved the single, but don't like this artwork(I do like the cover) that Hugh Symes has shown so far.
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The usual uninspired random copy and paste hackjob by Syme. :tdwn
Greetings...
Nef
tbh I havent seen you post ANYTHING positive regarding this new album whatsoever.
I mean, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, be as negative and crucial as you want, but DAMN. Since I dont really know any better, it almost seems like you dont even like the band.
my2˘
band =/= artwork
no he hated on the single too
So? Lucien's point still stands. I love love loved the single, but don't like this artwork(I do like the cover) that Hugh Symes has shown so far.
Besides, a single has never been the best song on DT's albums. Also, sigged in bold.
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Their WWRD philosophy basically sums up the whole "Why Doesn't DT use anybody else?" problem. Personally I don't have a problem with that. The artwork looks cool, and for the most part I just care about the music. As mentioned earlier, I'm more of a Glass Moon half full type of person, and it seems like more people here should try and be the same way.
Take that as you will, but in my opinion this whole album cycle has been very pessimistic and I don't like it. So I'm hoping people come around and stop being so negative and just enjoy the process.
Also, I realize nothings all sunshine and rainbows. There will be some criticism, but this album cycle's criticism is just unusually high from what I've seen.
I couldn't agree more with everything you said fellow Glass Moon half full person. :tup ;D
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how do we know they dont tell him the imagery to use? maybe Syme's typical themes just happen to be in line with what the band envisions for the album? personally i love Syme's work and have never had a problem with it (save for the cover cutoff issue, which was resolved). I think the BC&SL artwork is great, and wouldnt mind more of that style :)
Well, I'm not extensively familiar with Syme's work, and someone said that he uses that kind of imagery in his work a lot. So does that meant that DT said, "Hey, remember those other art works that you did that used elephants, dolls, etc? Yeah, do all that with ours now."
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I think it's time for a CHAAAAAAAAYAAAAAANGE!
FIFY
:dangerwillrobinson:
I saw the OP of this and sang your response in my head before seeing this. :lol
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(https://i.imgur.com/E5oufAG.jpg)
I like the fact that it is drawn, but it looks weird o.o . But i'm not hating it! :3
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So I have a theory, and try to stay with me on this...
Since 'Darwin' and 'Behind The Veil' are on the same book, BTV could possibly be a song about the Darwin awards (Darwin Awards: awards which are given to people for dying in the stupidest ways possible). JP could have possibly focused on the death of Sirius Black which takes place in the book Harry Potter and the Order of The Phoenix (Chapter 35, entitled "Beyond The Veil"), in which he gets hit in the chest with a spell, which causes him to fall behind the veil that hangs from the archway that leads from the land of the living to the land of the dead..
:hat
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tbh I havent seen you post ANYTHING positive regarding this new album whatsoever.
I mean, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, be as negative and crucial as you want, but DAMN. Since I dont really know any better, it almost seems like you dont even like the band.
[...]
no he hated on the single too
Let's summarize...
- I said the album cover had a good concept but could need some improvements, I really don't like the execution of the artwork for BTV. What I haven't mentioned is that I actually like the artwork for the single. All in all I find Syme's work to be too formulaic, repetitive, and... recyclic (if that's a word).
- I posted about me looking forward to coming home from work to enjoy the single right after its release.
- I didn't like it at first and expressed that in a very emotional way (first few listen reactions) but with playing the stream on different systems my initial dislike of the song dissipated and slowly got rectified.
- I mentioned how much the audio quality (or in this case the lack thereof) of the stream was the culprit for me not getting into the song right away. I also stated the single to be "much more enjoyable" once I got used to the compression and could prepare my ears and my gear accordingly.
- An hour later I preordered the limited edition collector's box set.
- During the audio quality discussion I wrote that due to the extreme brickwalling I did "almost bash the single although it's not that bad at all, it's simply not my preferred style".
- Over the next few posts I tried to explain overcompression and brickwalling to people who are not that much into the technicalities of music production. I actually described Score's audio quality to be "a paragon of live sound" and that I've been to several DT concerts which were almost as great in the sound department.
- Next step was explaining the difference between mixing and mastering because the terms were used synonymically by several posters and I stated that "DT albums never suffered a case of really bad mixing"
- I even posted "Being disappointed about the mastering does not mean one dislikes the song(s) or the band!" in big bad bold text to discern the discussion about bad audio quality from praise or hate towards artists and their music. The same post also had the line "so called 'mediocre' or even 'bad' DT is still way better than most of the rest can ever hope for".
Just so you know my background: I'm a professional design & graphics guy, quite an experienced musician, and have some (not much, but still) production experience live mixing young bands at a youth center and mixing and mastering my own stuff and the material of projects I've been a part of. So although sometimes I very much love to bitch about things I don't actually have any idea about, in this case I do.
DT is one of my favorite bands, which is the very reason I'm obsessed with details. I disliked the single at first 80% due to the audio quality and only 20% due to the song itself or its style. Or to quote myself one last time, "It would just be that much greater if we could have all that awesomeness giftwrapped in high quality sound.".
And if that's hating I would love to see more of the real haters do their homework and research only half as well as I do.
Greetings...
Nef
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Finally ordered the box-set, totally worth the $118,48, I hope.
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I'm sure it will be just fine, the box sets for BC&SL and ADTOE are great too, with the stem DVD on BC&SL definitely the highlight next to the idea with the silver and golden tickets. No platinum ticket this time? ;D
I'm very much looking forward to getting the new box set too, even if it's probably some time in October or even November rather than :soon:, but I don't care. The only thing that got me worried was that I didn't get any confirmation message after ordering. But as long as the message with my digital download link on release day is okay, I'll be one happy trinity-of-box-sets owner.
Greetings...
Nef
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The usual uninspired random copy and paste hackjob by Syme. :tdwn
Greetings...
Nef
tbh I havent seen you post ANYTHING positive regarding this new album whatsoever.
I mean, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, be as negative and crucial as you want, but DAMN. Since I dont really know any better, it almost seems like you dont even like the band.
my2˘
So, to like a band, i am obliged to like all their albums and songs?
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The only thing that got me worried was that I didn't get any confirmation message after ordering.
Really? I got an e-mail seconds after ordering.
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Very interesting piece of information:
To me with producing—and this goes to the song "The Bigger Picture" - it's being able to step back and really see what you're trying to do from the beginning. Then to put all the pieces in place so that you follow that road to where when you're done you can say, "OK, this is what I expected it to be. I did all the things that made it happen." That's really, really important to me to keep that focus and to have a really good grasp of the bigger picture. And that's kind of like what that song is actually about.
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Some exciting new tidbits from the Petrucci interview with Ultimate Guitar, that's for sure! Spoiler alert, maybe...
- Enigma Machine is the instrumental.
- Illumination Theory is 22:17.
- The Bigger Picture is a ballad.
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I remember when this thread used to have 6 new pages every day. Now... silence. :lol
Here am I, brand new at the forum (well, posting at least), bringing some life.
Illumination Theory 22:17! Woooha! I can't go through each page of this thread; do we already know who wrote each lyrics?
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I love the overall concept of the new artwork. Still not sold on the finer details (lighting, textures, etc), but I'm probably overly-picky for the amount of experience I have in CG (slim, I'm still in school for it). It sets an interesting mood, and I definitely am looking forward to seeing more. :tup
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Some exciting new tidbits from the Petrucci interview with Ultimate Guitar, that's for sure! Spoiler alert, maybe...
- Enigma Machine is the instrumental.
- Illumination Theory is 22:17.
- The Bigger Picture is a ballad.
Yeah, a lot of cool info about JP's approach on some of the solos on the record too! Sounds like some great stuff, I really look forward to hearing the variety of sounds and approaches he takes on the different solos across the record.
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Some exciting new tidbits from the Petrucci interview with Ultimate Guitar, that's for sure! Spoiler alert, maybe...
- Enigma Machine is the instrumental.
- Illumination Theory is 22:17.
- The Bigger Picture is a ballad.
link?
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/dream_theaters_john_petrucci_you_dont_have_to_be_afraid.html
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Ik really excited as this is the first true DT album since 6DOIT.
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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/dream_theaters_john_petrucci_you_dont_have_to_be_afraid.html
Thanks for the link, very cool interview!
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The outro of "Illumination Theory" had that feeling of a man standing on a mountaintop with those guitars swelling.
Are you talking about after all the silence at the very end?
Exactly.
Yeah, that's like a little Easter egg we stuck in there. Yeah, that's volume swells with delay on it. But yeah, it has a very string kind of sound to it.
:o
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Damn, JP, Spoiler warnings please. :tdwn
:neverusethis:
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Splooge
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Wows. I am honestly surprised that JP actually gave away what the "easter egg" is. I mean sure we all were pretty sure we were right in our speculation, but it would've been nice to get confirmation only once the album was in our hands. Still excited to hear whatever kind of apparently guitar solo it is, though.
I really enjoy most of what JP says about everything, but at the same time I'm kind of worried by this: Oh definitely. Absolutely. In a rock band or a metal band whatever, the guitar sounds kind of dictates the way the album is gonna sound. Because it's a featured instrument and it takes up so much and it will sort of shape the direction and overall sound of the song. If it's really heavy, percussive and aggressive, that's the way the song is gonna sound. It's a very powerful instrument because it dictates the landscape you're setting up.
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Well he is right.
Metal and Hard Rock is all about the guitar. That's kind of the key instrument.
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That's what I was looking for. It's just guitar, bass and drums there and there's no keys and vocals. A trio going for it with a lot of vinegar and a lot of improv.
I'm guessing Surrender to Reason was Vinegar Seed on the whiteboard, then.
Anyway, really interesting interview.
Except that the interviewer keeps referring to IT as 'Elimination Theory.' :facepalm:
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Well he is right.
Metal and Hard Rock is all about the guitar. That's kind of the key instrument.
I agree, but it's like he was ignoring the fact that Dream Theater has a huge progressive side...in which guitar does not in any way Have to be the featured instrument. His statements just seem like they could come off as maybe supporting the fact that many people think the guitars are too loud in TEI...
I dunno. Just speculation. I'm sure I'll love the album :)
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That's what I was looking for. It's just guitar, bass and drums there and there's no keys and vocals. A trio going for it with a lot of vinegar and a lot of improv.
I'm guessing Surrender to Reason was Vinegar Seed on the whiteboard, then.
Anyway, really interesting interview.
Except that the interviewer keeps referring to IT as 'Elimination Theory.' :facepalm:
Which is understandable if this was a telephone interview.
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I noticed that too. Kinda annoying, actually. :facepalm:
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I agree, but it's like he was ignoring the fact that Dream Theater has a huge progressive side...in which guitar does not in any way Have to be the featured instrument. His statements just seem like they could come off as maybe supporting the fact that many people think the guitars are too loud in TEI...
I dunno. Just speculation. I'm sure I'll love the album :)
Personally, there have been some albums, (even I&W and Awake) where I thought that the keyboards were too loud. Or the guitars were too quiet (ADTOE).
Yes, it's a progressive band, but that doesn't mean that the keyboards have to be shoved in our face throughout the album.
But that statement doesn't mean that he'll just play the guitar the same way all throughout. DT's albums are generally very varied, unless they're going for a specific tone like ToT.
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Personally, there have been some albums, (even I&W and Awake) where I thought that the keyboards were too loud. Or the guitars were too quiet (ADTOE).
Your copy of ADTOE must be weird. The guitars are in no way quiet on my copy. They do lack some highs, but that's a different story.
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Personally, there have been some albums, (even I&W and Awake) where I thought that the keyboards were too loud. Or the guitars were too quiet (ADTOE).
Your copy of ADTOE must be weird. The guitars are in no way quiet on my copy. They do lack some highs, but that's a different story.
Yeah I agree, guitars are loud enough on ADToE. At points, some of the percussive, right hand action that JP puts down completely covers up the drums...
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I agree, but it's like he was ignoring the fact that Dream Theater has a huge progressive side...in which guitar does not in any way Have to be the featured instrument. His statements just seem like they could come off as maybe supporting the fact that many people think the guitars are too loud in TEI...
I dunno. Just speculation. I'm sure I'll love the album :)
Personally, there have been some albums, (even I&W and Awake) where I thought that the keyboards were too loud. Or the guitars were too quiet (ADTOE).
Yes, it's a progressive band, but that doesn't mean that the keyboards have to be shoved in our face throughout the album.
But that statement doesn't mean that he'll just play the guitar the same way all throughout. DT's albums are generally very varied, unless they're going for a specific tone like ToT.
Keyboards? Too loud?? HOW DARE YOU?! :omg:
Haha, jk. Sorta. :lol But really though, the keyboards are way too quiet on TEI aside from that first entrance of them right before the first verse.
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I agree, but it's like he was ignoring the fact that Dream Theater has a huge progressive side...in which guitar does not in any way Have to be the featured instrument. His statements just seem like they could come off as maybe supporting the fact that many people think the guitars are too loud in TEI...
I dunno. Just speculation. I'm sure I'll love the album :)
Personally, there have been some albums, (even I&W and Awake) where I thought that the keyboards were too loud. Or the guitars were too quiet (ADTOE).
Yes, it's a progressive band, but that doesn't mean that the keyboards have to be shoved in our face throughout the album.
But that statement doesn't mean that he'll just play the guitar the same way all throughout. DT's albums are generally very varied, unless they're going for a specific tone like ToT.
Keyboards? Too loud?? HOW DARE YOU?! :omg:
Haha, jk. Sorta. :lol But really though, the keyboards are way too quiet on TEI aside from that first entrance of them right before the first verse.
The keyboards were way too quiet on BC&SL as well. I think that on TEI they're just doubling the guitar for the most part, which is why they are difficult to hear.
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Well, JP pretty much told us what the opening/closing songs are gonna be on this tour :-\
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The keyboards were way too quiet on BC&SL as well. I think that on TEI they're just doubling the guitar for the most part, which is why they are difficult to hear.
On TEI, I would say at times, the keys could be a little louder, but overall they are mixed pretty well for me.
I can hear the snarling pig sound in the intro, the string sounds before JLB comes in on the first verse sound nice and full to me, he could maybe be a little louder on the chorus, but really he is just providing atmosphere there. Right after the first chorus I like the level he is at with the patch that he is using there, any louder and it wouldn't sound right. He is sitting in a pretty nice place in the mix during the vocal section of the bridge, he could maybe be bumped up a little here, then he does some unison work with JP that I can hear just fine and his solo sounds about right as well.
Like I said, overall there are maybe a few spots that his volume could be turned up a little, but I think he is sitting in a pretty good place in the mix. It is a heavier metal style DT song, the reality is that in these sorts of songs, there will probably be a little less keyboard in the mix. Hopefully the band will make up for that and on the ballads and proggy songs on the new album, the keys will get a little boost.
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I can see the viewpoint that in this particular song, he'll be lower in the mix. However, doesn't anyone else think that he's way too low during his actual solo? That is honestly the only part of the song where the volume of the guitar truly bothers me. It is actually difficult to not be completely distracted by JP's wah-ing. I agree it's cool, but it drowns out JR...
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I can see the viewpoint that in this particular song, he'll be lower in the mix. However, doesn't anyone else think that he's way too low during his actual solo? That is honestly the only part of the song where the volume of the guitar truly bothers me. It is actually difficult to not be completely distracted by JP's wah-ing. I agree it's cool, but it drowns out JR...
The guitar wah part under the solo is great, you're right, the keys need to be a touch louder there to make them pop out over top the band. But they aren't SO low in the mix there that it bothers me to listen to it.
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The guitar wah part under the solo is great, you're right, the keys need to be a touch louder there to make them pop out over top the band. But they aren't SO low in the mix there that it bothers me to listen to it.
I'm probably subconsciously inflating the size of the issue haha ::) I will need to give the song more listens on high (ish) quality speakers/headphones, not just my car. And also, I need to listen more just to listen, as opposed to multitasking while listening.
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If "Illumination Theory" is IT, so "Elimination Theory" is...
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/filepicker/z00WmrUSK2xn0nkg4mJA_E.T.jpg)
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If "Illumination Theory" is IT, so "Elimination Theory" is...
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/filepicker/z00WmrUSK2xn0nkg4mJA_E.T.jpg)
He wants to go HOME ::)
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Nope, they're fine in the mix. His solo doesn't need to be louder because it'll be too distracting from the rest of the backing instruments.
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Nope, they're fine in the mix. His solo doesn't need to be louder because it'll be too distracting from the rest of the backing instruments.
I humbly (mostly) disagree. I just listened again. It is difficult to actually hear the individual notes JR is playing. And no, not because he's going so fast I can't tell. He's not actually doing ridiculous 32nd notes the whole time in this solo. I honestly can't distinguish notes in parts of the solo specifically because of JP's wah.
The whole point of a solo is to be the dominating voice. You should have your attention drawn to a solo voice much more so than the rest of the band, because its purpose is to stick out from the sound. Hence the term "solo."
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I agree with Jordan's solo assessment.
Listen to JP's solo and compare it to JR's solo and I dare you to tell me they're both around the same sound level. JP's solo is way louder (appropriately), while JR is barely heard in his solo.
For the rest of the track he's mixed relatively fine considering this is a heavy track.
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Yeah I agree, guitars are loud enough on ADToE. At points, some of the percussive, right hand action that JP puts down completely covers up the drums...
And I felt like some of the big, epic keyboard sounds that JR put down had completely covered up the guitars.
But yes, the drums also needed to be louder.
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Why is everyone calling JR's bit a solo, it's just a lead line isn't it? Part of the instrumental, and something that he'll replicate exactly live, rather than his solos which he tends to improvise and play around with at gigs.
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I never really thought of it as a solo, considering that the guitars are much more up front. A solo to me has to stand out a bit.
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I agree, I think of it more as a lead that leads into the instrumental section.
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I agree, I think of it more as a lead that leads into the instrumental section.
like a bass solo that leads into a bass solo :metal
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I never really thought of it as a solo, considering that the guitars are much more up front. A solo to me has to stand out a bit.
Well, that's my problem with the mix....I care much less about JP wah-ing on a couple chords back and forth than I do about JR playing cool, fast lead lines....
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They didn't make any mistakes. This is how they WANTED it to sound.
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They didn't make any mistakes. This is how they WANTED it to sound.
This this this a million times.
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And judging purely on The Enemy Inside, it think it sounds much, much better than ADTOE. I mean, the difference is like dream and day.
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And judging purely on The Enemy Inside, it think it sounds much, much better than ADTOE. I mean, the difference is like dream and day.
:neverusethis:
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They didn't make any mistakes. This is how they WANTED it to sound.
yeah, but that doesn't cater to my specific audiophile opinion
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And judging purely on The Enemy Inside, it think it sounds much, much better than ADTOE. I mean, the difference is like dream and day.
This.
Seriously, I don't remember anyone complaining about the sound of ADTOE anywhere near this much, and it's easily Dream Theater's 2nd-worst sounding album ever in my opinion...
Judging from TEI, the production on the new album sounds good. Best since Octavarium at the very least...
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Just preordered the box set. Can't wait to get it in the mail. I'll always fork over dat $$$ for DT
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They didn't make any mistakes. This is how they WANTED it to sound.
Well honestly, it's how JP wanted it to sound.
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Just won a pair of tickets for the London listening party on Thursday - hopefully I'll be allowed to share my opinions afterwards!
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Just won a pair of tickets for the London listening party on Thursday - hopefully I'll be allowed to share my opinions afterwards!
Congratz!
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Just won a pair of tickets for the London listening party on Thursday - hopefully I'll be allowed to share my opinions afterwards!
Great news! We'll wait for your feedback!!
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Just won a pair of tickets for the London listening party on Thursday - hopefully I'll be allowed to share my opinions afterwards!
Congrats!
Fuck you >:( ;D
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Just won a pair of tickets for the London listening party on Thursday - hopefully I'll be allowed to share my opinions afterwards!
You lucky fuck. Wish I won. Congrats man.
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Cheers, I'll do my best to commit the album to memory.
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Cheers, I'll do my best to commit the album to memory.
Like a scene from a memory.
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Just won a pair of tickets for the London listening party on Thursday - hopefully I'll be allowed to share my opinions afterwards!
Nice! You'll probably have to sign a NDA but you'll be able to review it soon enough.
Greetings...
Nef
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Just won a pair of tickets for the London listening party on Thursday - hopefully I'll be allowed to share my opinions afterwards!
Holy shit, you're gonna be our eyes and ears. Hopefully our voice too! :D
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Cheers, I'll do my best to commit the album to memory.
Like a scene from a memory.
Getting to a listening party would be like dream and day uniting for me.
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Cheers, I'll do my best to commit the album to memory.
Like a scene from a memory.
Getting to a listening party would be like dream and day uniting for me.
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence..... :neverusethis:...
... yes that's the ticket. (https://slapshotsclan.com/Smileys/default/Burns.gif)
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Hey Kotow
I just checked out some of your music. Juggernaut. I like! I think it's mastered too hot though ;D
And to the dude that's going to the listening party........can you commit it to memory and record an MP3 of you yodelling the songs. Would be much appreciated.
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Hey Kotow
I just checked out some of your music. Juggernaut. I like! I think it's mastered too hot though ;D
And to the dude that's going to the listening party........can you commit it to memory and record an MP3 of you yodelling the songs. Would be much appreciated.
I'll do my best.
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Hey Kotow
I just checked out some of your music. Juggernaut. I like! I think it's mastered too hot though ;D
And to the dude that's going to the listening party........can you commit it to memory and record an MP3 of you yodelling the songs. Would be much appreciated.
I'll do my best.
Well, thanks but i'm no mastering engineer by any means. I like to get my stuff as close to CD volume but without brickwalling or clipping.
I'm totally an amateur and I like Waveburner as it won't even let you export the songs if theyre clipped :)
Imagine if someone went to the party with some manuscript paper who was an absolute genius at transcription and write down the entire album as it happened - took it home and charted it out in Sibelius and uploaded it for us here :lol
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Hey Kotow
I just checked out some of your music. Juggernaut. I like! I think it's mastered too hot though ;D
And to the dude that's going to the listening party........can you commit it to memory and record an MP3 of you yodelling the songs. Would be much appreciated.
I'll do my best.
Well, thanks but i'm no mastering engineer by any means. I like to get my stuff as close to CD volume but without brickwalling or clipping.
I'm totally an amateur and I like Waveburner as it won't even let you export the songs if theyre clipped :)
Imagine if someone went to the party with some manuscript paper who was an absolute genius at transcription and write down the entire album as it happened - took it home and charted it out in Sibelius and uploaded it for us here :lol
Of course you know I'm kidding. I think they sound pretty cool.
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I wasn't sure ;D
Cool ! ;D
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And judging purely on The Enemy Inside, it think it sounds much, much better than ADTOE. I mean, the difference is like dream and day.
This.
Seriously, I don't remember anyone complaining about the sound of ADTOE anywhere near this much, and it's easily Dream Theater's 2nd-worst sounding album ever in my opinion...
Judging from TEI, the production on the new album sounds good. Best since Octavarium at the very least...
Oh they did for sure. I'm pretty sure it's the standard thing having been on the boards for 3 releases now.
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This.
Seriously, I don't remember anyone complaining about the sound of ADTOE anywhere near this much, and it's easily Dream Theater's 2nd-worst sounding album ever in my opinion...
Cool, I thought I was the only one to have that opinion ... IMO only WDaDU have a worst overall sound ...
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Just won a pair of tickets for the London listening party on Thursday - hopefully I'll be allowed to share my opinions afterwards!
That's awesome, congrats! I didn't even enter because I'm on holiday in Oslo. :(
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You are? You should come to me then, i'll give you a private listening party :P
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Just won a pair of tickets for the London listening party on Thursday - hopefully I'll be allowed to share my opinions afterwards!
That's awesome, congrats! I didn't even enter because I'm on holiday in Oslo. :(
:zydar:
wait... nevermind
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You are? You should come to me then, i'll give you a private listening party :P
:lol
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Just won a pair of tickets for the London listening party on Thursday - hopefully I'll be allowed to share my opinions afterwards!
That's awesome, congrats! I didn't even enter because I'm on holiday in Oslo. :(
I didn't even know about a listening party contest! How'd I miss that one? Oh well, I'm in the states anyway, pretty far from London!
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IN STUDIO EPISODE 4! THERE IS A BIT OF NEW MUSIC HERE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iSONcgqj24
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They didn't make any mistakes. This is how they WANTED it to sound.
yeah, but that doesn't cater to my specific audiophile opinion
Well that's your problem and not the band's.
Also, to those moaning about the sound of it: We must be listening to different albums. I think it sounds great! These guys know what they're doing. They've never let us down before, so we should trust them.
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You know the sound of a record after it's been abused or simply played too many times? You have pops, cracks, and hiss that are a fundamental problem to the listening experience? Imagine if a band let a new CD go through with that kind of stuff on it and you would have an idea of what it's like for those of us with decent equipment and discerning ears to try and listen to this poor mastering. Yes, I can hear the music and enjoy it, but there is no reason for it to sound like it does. It could be the band wanting it to sound that way, it could be the band sitting down with an engineer who really doesn't master any other way, or it could be them being completely hands off in the process, but in any case it's still a poor mastering job.
While the focus obviously has to be song, things like the cover art, sound, and overall presentation all go into the business of a band, and while I still considering Dream Theater to be masters of their craft where it counts most, it is saddening to see them somewhat waiver in these other aspects.
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I bet it sounds smokin in Mangini's car :hat
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I think this is the first of the studio videos that I found interesting to watch :D
I bet it sounds smokin in Mangini's car :hat
:lol :footloose:
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I honestly found JP's recent interview to be much more interesting than all those 4 videos combined :lol
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I honestly found JP's recent interview to be much more interesting than all those 4 videos combined :lol
Well that recent interview was made after the listening party, obviously. These videos were done while they were still recording, so back then, there was probably much less they could say, or heck, maybe things they didn't even know about the album yet.
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I honestly found JP's recent interview to be much more interesting than all those 4 videos combined :lol
I agree.
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That was one of the best JP interviews in years.
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Imagine if someone went to the party with some manuscript paper who was an absolute genius at transcription and write down the entire album as it happened - took it home and charted it out in Sibelius and uploaded it for us here :lol
Hold up, lemme just go grab my TARDIS, quick pop back to the 1700's...grab a young prodigy Mozart...Here we go! Perfect!
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I honestly found JP's recent interview to be much more interesting than all those 4 videos combined :lol
where is this interview? i missed it
edit: found it.. never mind ;)
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Guys,
Can Noxon post his review now? I see Premier Guitar was allowed to post theirs:
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater (https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater)
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Guys,
Can Noxon post his review now? I see Premier Guitar was allowed to post theirs:
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater (https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater)
That review is so... I don't know... Short? And full of obvious things like the band member's skills. Not very informative :/
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They didn't make any mistakes. This is how they WANTED it to sound.
yeah, but that doesn't cater to my specific audiophile opinion
Well that's your problem and not the band's.
sarcasm green, my friend
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Guys,
Can Noxon post his review now? I see Premier Guitar was allowed to post theirs:
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater (https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater)
That review is so... I don't know... Short? And full of obvious things like the band member's skills. Not very informative :/
I don't speak for noxon, but I'm sure his review is FAR more comprehensive and objective. That review is not only incredibly concise and spoiler free, but it's also a pretty positive one, and I may be too cynical but they probably want to paint the album in a favorable light to stay on good terms with Petrucci, so as to keep him open and willing for further interviews to be posted on their website. But yeah I don't think we'll see noxon's review until close to the release date due to how comprehensive and unbiased it supposedly is.
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Well, I like reviews full of spoilers, bring em on! :lol
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Guys,
Can Noxon post his review now? I see Premier Guitar was allowed to post theirs:
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater (https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater)
That review is so... I don't know... Short? And full of obvious things like the band member's skills. Not very informative :/
I don't speak for noxon, but I'm sure his review is FAR more comprehensive and objective. That review is not only incredibly concise and spoiler free, but it's also a pretty positive one, and I may be too cynical but they probably want to paint the album in a favorable light to stay on good terms with Petrucci, so as to keep him open and willing for further interviews to be posted on their website. But yeah I don't think we'll see noxon's review until close to the release date due to how comprehensive and unbiased it supposedly is.
Noxon ? Do you have a timeline for when you can post ?
Petrucci provided a ton of spoilers in his interview anyway. But I see what you're saying about only positive reviews. It's possible.
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Guys,
Can Noxon post his review now? I see Premier Guitar was allowed to post theirs:
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater (https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater)
That review is so... I don't know... Short? And full of obvious things like the band member's skills. Not very informative :/
I think I could have written that review - and I haven't heard the CD yet.
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I don't even know if you could call that a review since just anybody could have written that and that's without even listening to it. It's more like a teaser review or something instead of an actual review if that makes sense to anybody besides me. :-\
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Guys,
Can Noxon post his review now? I see Premier Guitar was allowed to post theirs:
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater (https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater)
That review is so... I don't know... Short? And full of obvious things like the band member's skills. Not very informative :/
I don't speak for noxon, but I'm sure his review is FAR more comprehensive and objective. That review is not only incredibly concise and spoiler free, but it's also a pretty positive one, and I may be too cynical but they probably want to paint the album in a favorable light to stay on good terms with Petrucci, so as to keep him open and willing for further interviews to be posted on their website. But yeah I don't think we'll see noxon's review until close to the release date due to how comprehensive and unbiased it supposedly is.
Noxon ? Do you have a timeline for when you can post ?
Petrucci provided a ton of spoilers in his interview anyway. But I see what you're saying about only positive reviews. It's possible.
Noxon said that the hard date he was told was September 9th. He also said he would put it out if the album leaked.
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Guys,
Can Noxon post his review now? I see Premier Guitar was allowed to post theirs:
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater (https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater)
Not very informative review. I could have written the same stuff after watching all the studio webisodes.
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Guys,
Can Noxon post his review now? I see Premier Guitar was allowed to post theirs:
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater (https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater)
This is not a review.
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Guys,
Can Noxon post his review now? I see Premier Guitar was allowed to post theirs:
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater (https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater)
This is not a review.
FTFY
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I just had a random thought....JLB is Canadian and the first movement of IT is titled in French......could JLB have written the lyrics for IT??
God, I hope....
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I just had a random thought....JLB is Canadian and the first movement of IT is titled in French......could JLB have written the lyrics for IT??
God, I hope....
I got a feeling that the first movement will be instrumental, but I could be wrong of course.
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Well a french title doesn't mean it has to have french lyrics, it could just have some french lines, but i agree with wasteland, it's likely to be instrumental.
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Well, that review was pretty forgettable.
i agree with wasteland, it's likely to be instrumental.
this.
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I just had a random thought....JLB is Canadian and the first movement of IT is titled in French......could JLB have written the lyrics for IT??
God, I hope....
"A tout le monde! Raaaawwwwk!"
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"A tout le monde! Raaaawwwwk!"
:lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol
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:lol
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:lol
Does anybody even know can JLB speak French at all?
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:lol
Does anybody even know can JLB speak French at all?
I wouldn't be surprised if he can't. I mean, maybe bare minimum, but most people I know, who don't live in Quebec, or don't travel there a lot, don't really speak it. It gets kind of forgotten after high school.
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:lol
Does anybody even know can JLB speak French at all?
I wouldn't be surprised if he can't. I mean, maybe bare minimum, but most people I know, who don't live in Quebec, or don't travel there a lot, don't really speak it. It gets kind of forgotten after high school.
Well, I remember reading somewhere (can't remember where or when, sorry guys! :-\) that his mother was French speaking, but he couldn't speak french himself. But being a Frenchman myself, I would like to hear him sing the line "Paradoxe de la Lumičre Noire" in French. Guess it would be priceless! :laugh:
B.Lee
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Guys,
Can Noxon post his review now? I see Premier Guitar was allowed to post theirs:
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater (https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater)
This is not a review.
So we're reviewing reviews now. Interesting.
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:lol
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Well, that review was pretty forgettable.
That "review" reminded me of ones I used to read in Hit Parader and Circus magazine in the 80s. It was quite obvious sometimes that the reviewer had not actually listened to the album, writing things like "frenzied drumming" about a song that turned out to be an all-acoustic. ::)
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So we're reviewing reviews now. Interesting.
I'm used to having my reviews reviewed! Even by Jordan... :D
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I just had a random thought....JLB is Canadian and the first movement of IT is titled in French......could JLB have written the lyrics for IT??
God, I hope....
"A tout le monde! Raaaawwwwk!"
Ughhh....this reminds me of Mustaine trying to sing in French. :\
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The fish
"A tout le monde! Raaaawwwwk!"
Ughhh....this reminds me of Mustaine trying to sing in French. :\
The final version is not bad (apart from being cheesy as fuck), but what's absolutely horrible is the ATLM demo version :facepalm:
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Review!
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater
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Since John Petrucci has just tweeted a link to a review, I assume it's finally open season.
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So get posting your reviews! :corn
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I can't wait to see that Decibel gave review duties on the new DT record to one of their writers who doesn't like Dream Theater in the first place. :lol
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Review!
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater
Guys,
Can Noxon post his review now? I see Premier Guitar was allowed to post theirs:
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater (https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/19415-album-review-dream-theater---dream-theater)
;)
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hahaha.
At least, the review was tweeted by John Petrucci today.
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I don't think anyone was scared about Mangini not being able to fill Portnoy's shoes.
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...radio-ready “The Looking Glass”...
More reason that this should have been the clear 7" vinyl!!!
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Looking Glass sounds like it could have made a good single too. Hopefully it's better than TEI
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Dream Theater - Dream Theater Review
This is definitely an album by Dream Theater, and it contains songs by Dream Theater. These songs contain guitar, keyboard, bass, drums, and vocals. There are some guitar solos. Also some keyboard solos. One of the songs is instrumental. Another is 20 minutes long. Mike Mangini is definitely the drummer. He plays the drums on this album. Overall, definitely an album by Dream Theater.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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BUT WHAT SHAPE IS THE CD ?!
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...bass.
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BUT WHAT SHAPE IS THE CD ?!
...bass.
Sounds fishy.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
;D ;D ;D ;D :facepalm:
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So apparently we're going to have at least 2 "radio-ready" songs on this album.....
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So apparently we're going to have at least 2 "radio-ready" songs on this album.....
Apparently that's a problem?
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:lol
Does anybody even know can JLB speak French at all?
I wouldn't be surprised if he can't. I mean, maybe bare minimum, but most people I know, who don't live in Quebec, or don't travel there a lot, don't really speak it. It gets kind of forgotten after high school.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't, this was from last year from a french canadian show where JLB gives some words to one of the guys, and he did all in English, so ...
https://www.staracademie.ca/videos/james-labrie-encourage-jason (https://www.staracademie.ca/videos/james-labrie-encourage-jason)
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So apparently we're going to have at least 2 "radio-ready" songs on this album.....
Apparently that's a problem?
We will find out I guess, won't we?
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The last few albums have each had at least one radio-ready song (including one grammy-ready song). It's no big deal.
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So apparently we're going to have at least 2 "radio-ready" songs on this album.....
Apparently that's a problem?
We will find out I guess, won't we?
You make it sound like it's a a bad thing. Silly of you.
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The last few albums have each had at least one radio-ready song (including one grammy-ready song). It's no big deal.
It is potentially a huge deal to me. The last album did have one radio-ready song and it turned out to be, in my opinion, the worst song Dream Theater has ever written and recorded. It can't even be fairly regarded as a progressive metal effort. It was just a bad radio friendly metal song that ruined the flow of the album and wasted 6 minutes. I could say the same thing about nearly every one of their previous "radio-ready" songs.
It is even more of a big deal when someone spends, out of blind faith, $125 on the new album, HOPING that Dream Theater puts out an amazing 1 hour of music you will listen to over and over again. I don't want there to be any clunkers on this album. It just so happens that the "radio-ready" songs have mostly been that in the past. And it frightens me when I hear things that seem to indicate the album could have numerous songs of these kind. That would be a move precedented only by DT's weakest albums. As for this album, TEI is not a clunker, but it is not what I had in mind when I dropped $125 on the album. So to me, and to a lot of other devoted fans, it is potentially a big deal.
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It is potentially a huge deal to me. The last album did have one radio-ready song and it turned out to be, in my opinion, the worst song Dream Theater has ever written and recorded. It can't even be fairly regarded as a progressive metal effort. It was just a bad radio friendly metal song that ruined the flow of the album and wasted 6 minutes. I could say the same thing about nearly every one of their previous "radio-ready" songs.
It is even more of a big deal when someone spends, out of blind faith, $125 on the new album, HOPING that Dream Theater puts out an amazing 1 hour of music you will listen to over and over again. I don't want there to be any clunkers on this album. It just so happens that the "radio-ready" songs have mostly been that in the past. And it frightens me when I hear things that seem to indicate the album could have numerous songs of these kind. That would be a move precedented only by DT's weakest albums. As for this album, TEI is not a clunker, but it is not what I had in mind when I dropped $125 on the album. So to me, and to a lot of other devoted fans, it is potentially a big deal.
I was going to say how much I disagree and that you're being overdramatic, and blah blah blah. But instead, I'm just going to say this:
NUUUUUGGGGGEEEETTTTTZZZZZZZ!!!!!! :yarr
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It is potentially a huge deal to me. The last album did have one radio-ready song and it turned out to be, in my opinion, the worst song Dream Theater has ever written and recorded. It can't even be fairly regarded as a progressive metal effort. It was just a bad radio friendly metal song that ruined the flow of the album and wasted 6 minutes. I could say the same thing about nearly every one of their previous "radio-ready" songs.
It is even more of a big deal when someone spends, out of blind faith, $125 on the new album, HOPING that Dream Theater puts out an amazing 1 hour of music you will listen to over and over again. I don't want there to be any clunkers on this album. It just so happens that the "radio-ready" songs have mostly been that in the past. And it frightens me when I hear things that seem to indicate the album could have numerous songs of these kind. That would be a move precedented only by DT's weakest albums. As for this album, TEI is not a clunker, but it is not what I had in mind when I dropped $125 on the album. So to me, and to a lot of other devoted fans, it is potentially a big deal.
I was going to say how much I disagree and that you're being overdramatic, and blah blah blah. But instead, I'm just going to say this:
NUUUUUGGGGGEEEETTTTTZZZZZZZ!!!!!! :yarr
I am not being overdramatic at all. I have high hopes for this album.
I expect that people disagree and that is fine that they do. I expect that some (dare I even say many) fans prefer St. Anger to Master of Puppets; and I expect that some may prefer Risk to Peace Sells. That's the nature of opinion and personal preference. All I am saying is that I detest these type of DT songs and I hope DT12 contains nothing like them-- especially since I spent a nice chunk of change on it.
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I am not being overdramatic at all. I have high hopes for this album.
I meant with terms like that it "frightens" you to hear that there might be some radio-friendly songs on the album. Personally, I like the vast majority of DT songs, including their radio friendly ones. On a very rare occasion there might be one song on an album that I'm not too crazy about, or maybe 2 on an album with a higher song list, but that's really not likely. That's why I'm not afraid to confidently pay for the box set. But if you have some consistent songs that you don't like on every album, then paying $125 for the box set is your gamble.
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The last few albums have each had at least one radio-ready song (including one grammy-ready song). It's no big deal.
It is potentially a huge deal to me. The last album did have one radio-ready song and it turned out to be, in my opinion, the worst song Dream Theater has ever written and recorded. It can't even be fairly regarded as a progressive metal effort. It was just a bad radio friendly metal song that ruined the flow of the album and wasted 6 minutes. I could say the same thing about nearly every one of their previous "radio-ready" songs.
It is even more of a big deal when someone spends, out of blind faith, $125 on the new album, HOPING that Dream Theater puts out an amazing 1 hour of music you will listen to over and over again. I don't want there to be any clunkers on this album. It just so happens that the "radio-ready" songs have mostly been that in the past. And it frightens me when I hear things that seem to indicate the album could have numerous songs of these kind. That would be a move precedented only by DT's weakest albums. As for this album, TEI is not a clunker, but it is not what I had in mind when I dropped $125 on the album. So to me, and to a lot of other devoted fans, it is potentially a big deal.
You really think BMUBMD was their worst song ever? :huh:
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I wouldn't call it their worst ever, but it's pretty close to the bottom as far as Dream Theater songs go, even though I like it a fair bit.
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I really liked BMUBMD
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I really liked BMUBMD
Me too. Aside from the chorus.
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I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>
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If it comes as a surprise to you that there will be radio friendly songs on the album (or ballads for that matter), I have to wonder if you've ever actually paid attention to the albums. They've all been a good mixture of different styles - that's kinda their signature by now. Believe it or not there are plenty of fans that has come into them because of the radio friendly stuff - me included.
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If it comes as a surprise to you that there will be radio friendly songs on the album, (or ballads for. That matter) I have to wonder if you've ever actually paid attention to the albums. They've all been a good mixture of different styles - that's kinda their signature by now. Believe it or not there are plenty of fans that has come into them because of the radio friendly stuff - me included.
Although this is only my opinion, I want to add to this by saying that I think Dream Theater is fantastic at writing any type of song, whether it be something they've done before or have never done before; because of that, I don't believe they have ever written a bad song, and more than likely never will, until the day Dream Theater has ended*.
* - Dream Theater will live on with its fans of course! :metal
TL;DR - (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_7076_1364592449.jpeg)
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Although this is only my opinion, I want to add to this by saying that I think Dream Theater is fantastic at writing any type of song, whether it be something they've done before or have never done before; because of that, I don't believe they have ever written a bad song, and more than likely never will, until the day Dream Theater has ended*.
* - Dream Theater will live on with its fans of course! :metal
:clap:
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I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>
Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>
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I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>
Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>
Seconded.
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Will it be heavy?
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I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>
Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>
Nothing has exceeded SDOIT. Not before or since. You be trippin'. But radio friendliness has nothing to do with it. That idea is just prog snobbery imo. IaW had a radio hit and a power ballad on it, and how did that turn out?
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There has been always radio friendly tracks on DT records, IAW has a lot of "radio friendly" tunes in it, not only PMU and LAD, you could even count TTT and Surrounded as radio friendly.
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I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>
Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>
Nothing has exceeded SDOIT. Not before or since. You be trippin'. But radio friendliness has nothing to do with it. That idea is just prog snobbery imo. IaW had a radio hit and a power ballad on it, and how did that turn out?
SDOIT is certainly million times more creative than every album they released since...
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Sorry, what's LAD again? Another Day? :huh:
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Sorry Typo, should have been AD, another day
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It's a common error among fans that "Another Day" is titled "Live Another Day".
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I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>
Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>
Nothing has exceeded SDOIT. Not before or since. You be trippin'.
I think we had this conversation already, blob :lol
SDOIT is certainly million times more creative than every album they released since...
Creativity is nice, but if it's lacking quality, not even creativity can save it. TGP and Disappear are stellar though :heart
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I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>
Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>
Nothing has exceeded SDOIT. Not before or since. You be trippin'.
I think we had this conversation already, blob :lol
Probably, but if I had to remember everyone I disagreed with in the past, I'd have no room for anything else! :lol
Hope I didn't come across too aggressive in that last post. I'd just woken up and I'm apparently even crabbier than usual when I first wake up.
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No problem :-*
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Why is no one talking about how JP mentioned the song that would be a perfect concert ender. With a big crowd chanting ending?
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Not sure where all this is coming from. I've never thought that the "radio song" on each album was the worst, except for BMUBMD. Those songs are normally pretty good.
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New interview with James. First part is about the new album :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A)
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New interview with James. First part is about the new album :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A)
That's really great, thanks!
And James would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Take The Time, Blind Faith, Octavarium... :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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New interview with James. First part is about the new album :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A)
That's really great, thanks!
And James would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Take The Time, Blind Faith, Octavarium... :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
James is a good man :angel: I wanna hear Scarred!!
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This has probably been posted before, but I can´t be bothered to scroll through all the pages. It's an interview with John Petrucci by ultimate-guitar. Look at lol-worthy spelling of 'Illumination Theory' in particular, but all of it is really insightful and nice;
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/dream_theaters_john_petrucci_you_dont_have_to_be_afraid.html
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^ I'm guessing it was done over the phone and Illumination sounds like Elimination.
However - they correct it half way through the interview - so who knows ???
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Not sure where all this is coming from. I've never thought that the "radio song" on each album was the worst, except for BMUBMD. Those songs are normally pretty good.
This.
The radio songs are suppoused to be less complicated, and yes, less proggy (if I may say).
But it doesn't make them any less good.
Cause, you know? This is the magic of DT. They CAN make amazing (even) radio-songs. I think that basically this is the idea of prog. To be able to mix so many aspects of music, and make the best out of this blend.
Just my opinion.
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New interview with James. First part is about the new album :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A)
That's really great, thanks!
And James would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Take The Time, Blind Faith, Octavarium... :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I would cry tears of joy if they played those songs. :heart
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New interview with James. First part is about the new album :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A)
That's really great, thanks!
And James would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Take The Time, Blind Faith, Octavarium... :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I would cry tears of joy if they played those songs. :heart
I would love to hear all of those except for Scarred. I really wouldn't expect Octavarium with being a longer song though, especially as they'll already have the new 20+ minute epic to squeeze in there.
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I would love to hear all of those except for Scarred Blind Faith. I really wouldn't expect Octavarium with being a longer song though, especially as they'll already have the new 20+ minute epic to squeeze in there.
Yes yes :metal
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Not heard the interview yet, but did he say that he would like to play those songs in the upcoming tour or he just wanted to play them "soon"?
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:soon:
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He was asked for songs he'd like to play that they haven't played for years.
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It's not the first time JLB says he would like to play 8v again.
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They were certainly discussing these songs in the context of the next tour in this interview, however.
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New interview with James. First part is about the new album :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A)
That's really great, thanks!
And James would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Take The Time, Blind Faith, Octavarium... :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I would cry tears of joy if they played those songs. :heart
I would love to hear all of those except for Scarred. I really wouldn't expect Octavarium with being a longer song though, especially as they'll already have the new 20+ minute epic to squeeze in there.
Yeah, but now it's an evening with. So who knows? ;D
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I believe all members of DT have a say in the setlists now, so if JLB would like to play them, they'll most likely be brought up. It's probably likely one or more could show up. I'm all for anything from SDOIT disc 1 showing up. I think there's a bit of neglect there. And I would kill to hear TGP with MM live.
Yeah, but now it's an evening with. So who knows? ;D
You never know, but those long songs add up very quickly!
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You never know, but those long songs add up very quickly!
Yeah, especially with the live-extended versions. But one can only hope :)
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You never know, but those long songs add up very quickly!
Yeah, especially with the live-extended versions. But one can only hope :)
I'll add my hope to that too! The first time they toured here was the SC tour, so I've never been able to see Octavarium live. Of course, that's assuming they're able to play here this tour. Australia didn't make the cut on the ADTOE tour.
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You never know, but those long songs add up very quickly!
Yeah, especially with the live-extended versions. But one can only hope :)
I'll add my hope to that too! The first time they toured here was the SC tour, so I've never been able to see Octavarium live. Of course, that's assuming they're able to play here this tour. Australia didn't make the cut on the ADTOE tour.
Octavarium is my favorite DT song because of the emotional response it elicits in me, so I would probably die of happiness if they actually played it. Though really I'd be happy with any of those songs (possibly Scarred, but I haven't listened to it in a while and I'm having difficulty remembering how it goes).
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We could also move this to the setlist prediction thread...
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We could also move this to the setlist prediction thread...
That would make sense. But I'm used to the Concerts forum getting ignored :sadpanda:
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Not by me :angel:
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Oh man, any of those songs would be killer. I've seen Blind Faith before, but I wasn't a true DT fan at that time, it was only my first concert seeing them and I had nowhere near all their material, nor did I think of Blind Faith so highly as I do now :biggrin: DO IT JAMES
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Interviewer: "You're releasing a new album in a couple of weeks...."
Oh of only that were true! :loser:
Scarred or TTT with MM! :metal
That interview lost my attention half way through, ended up skipping through the rest.
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There are some pretty tough vocal section in TTT and Scarred. Be careful what you wish for James . . .
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Interviewer: "You're releasing a new album in a couple of weeks...."
Oh of only that were true! :loser:
Scarred or TTT with MM! :metal
That interview lost my attention half way through, ended up skipping through the rest.
THIS! :squee: I would die!
Edit: Incidentally, that is my new favorite emote and I will have to use it constantly.
There are some pretty tough vocal section in TTT and Scarred. Be careful what you wish for James . . .
True, but from the live performances I've heard from the ADTOE tour, I think James could pull it off still. :metal
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Scarred or TTT with MM! :metal
Yeah, I picked up on that as well. It would be cool if they could figure out a way to do the full version of TTT and do it justice. Not having it on an official release seems like a glaring omission. Interesting that he mentioned Scarred. JP has gone on record a few times as saying he doesn't really like playing it live. And although they've attempted a couple of times now, whenever it shows up on a live recording, it just isn't good. I really wish we could get a solid version on a live album.
Oh, and he also mentioned Octavarium!
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Oh, and he also mentioned Octavarium!
This. Everything else comes second.
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I will explode if they play Octavarium on this tour. I was doubtful they would squeeze it in because of Illumination Theory, but I think it could fit as an encore -- they've done 20 minute encores before (Schmedley Wilcox comes to mind immediately). Alternatively, if they take the ballsy route and open the first set with the album in its entirety, then that leaves the 2nd set entirely open for any of the songs JLB named.
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I will explode if they play Octavarium on this tour. I was doubtful they would squeeze it in because of Illumination Theory, but I think it could fit as an encore -- they've done 20 minute encores before (Schmedley Wilcox comes to mind immediately). Alternatively, if they take the ballsy route and open the first set with the album in its entirety, then that leaves the 2nd set entirely open for any of the songs JLB named.
It's ballsy, but it's also not very smart, IMO. Spreading new and old songs equally throughout the set makes the set more balanced and reduces the risk of people who don't like one or the other from being bored for too long. But if they did two longer epics like 8VM and Illumination Theory, I think the likelihood is that they would do something like use 8VM to close out the first set before intermission, and then use Illumination Theory to close out the second set. That would make the most sense to me. Then again, this is a band that has made a career out of defying conventional wisdom for how to create set lists, so... :lol
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It's ballsy, but it's also not very smart, IMO. Spreading new and old songs equally throughout the set makes the set more balanced and reduces the risk of people who don't like one or the other from being bored for too long. But if they did two longer epics like 8VM and Illumination Theory, I think the likelihood is that they would do something like use 8VM to close out the first set before intermission, and then use Illumination Theory to close out the second set. That would make the most sense to me. Then again, this is a band that has made a career out of defying conventional wisdom for how to create set lists, so... :lol
I totally agree with spreading out old and new material. When I first heard the new tour would be "An Evening With" my first thought was: "Whoa they should play the new album straight through as the first set before the intermission!" But then after thinking about it, I realized what you said above. A better constructed set that would speak to their entire audience, new fans and old, would probably be a consistent mix of old and new songs.
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Alternatively, if they take the ballsy route and open the first set with the album in its entirety
I don't know about this. I'd love to hear the album in it's entirety within a set, but I definitely prefer it to be mixed in among older songs. If they play two sets, one of which is just the new album, it kinda ruins the suspense of "what are they gonna play next?"
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I will explode if they play Octavarium on this tour. I was doubtful they would squeeze it in because of Illumination Theory, but I think it could fit as an encore -- they've done 20 minute encores before (Schmedley Wilcox comes to mind immediately). Alternatively, if they take the ballsy route and open the first set with the album in its entirety, then that leaves the 2nd set entirely open for any of the songs JLB named.
It's ballsy, but it's also not very smart, IMO. Spreading new and old songs equally throughout the set makes the set more balanced and reduces the risk of people who don't like one or the other from being bored for too long. But if they did two longer epics like 8VM and Illumination Theory, I think the likelihood is that they would do something like use 8VM to close out the first set before intermission, and then use Illumination Theory to close out the second set. That would make the most sense to me. Then again, this is a band that has made a career out of defying conventional wisdom for how to create set lists, so... :lol
I'm not sure playing the entire album in order would be a tremendously good idea either, but it's certainly a possibility at this point (the whole band seems tremendously proud of the album, Mangini said he hopes the band plays "every note" on the upcoming tour, etc.). And I'm sure the fans couldn't be too upset, since this is a fanbase that reacted negatively when the band didn't play "enough" of ADTOE on the first few shows of that tour. :lol I for one wouldn't be upset, assuming the entire album is as good as the single.
Alternatively, if they take the ballsy route and open the first set with the album in its entirety
I don't know about this. I'd love to hear the album in it's entirety within a set, but I definitely prefer it to be mixed in among older songs. If they play two sets, one of which is just the new album, it kinda ruins the suspense of "what are they gonna play next?"
I think the opposite is true, actually. There are a few things about the setlist that we pretty much know already (FAS is going to open the set, The Enemy Inside will probably follow, Illumination Theory will probably close out the 2nd set, and something like 75%+ of the new album will be played, given how the band usually organizes its setlists). If the band chooses to play the whole album in the first set, then the second set and encore will be completely unpredictable.
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THIS! :squee: I would die!
Edit: Incidentally, that is my new favorite emote and I will have to use it constantly.
There are some pretty tough vocal section in TTT and Scarred. Be careful what you wish for James . . .
True, but from the live performances I've heard from the ADTOE tour, I think James could pull it off still. :metal
Dat emoticon....!
I would love to see TTT, but at the same time the stupid perfectionist part of my brain would be disappointed if he doesn't sing the second verse. And it seems pretty likely that he still wouldn't...His voice is pretty good these days, but nowhere near as agile. In fact his voice has never really been the particularly agile type, it's just that back in '92 he could pull it off cause everything else about his voice was amazing :P
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It's ballsy, but it's also not very smart, IMO. Spreading new and old songs equally throughout the set makes the set more balanced and reduces the risk of people who don't like one or the other from being bored for too long. But if they did two longer epics like 8VM and Illumination Theory, I think the likelihood is that they would do something like use 8VM to close out the first set before intermission, and then use Illumination Theory to close out the second set. That would make the most sense to me. Then again, this is a band that has made a career out of defying conventional wisdom for how to create set lists, so... :lol
I think this would be the best way to do it because to close those 2 sets with those epics is just amazing.
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It's ballsy, but it's also not very smart, IMO. Spreading new and old songs equally throughout the set makes the set more balanced and reduces the risk of people who don't like one or the other from being bored for too long. But if they did two longer epics like 8VM and Illumination Theory, I think the likelihood is that they would do something like use 8VM to close out the first set before intermission, and then use Illumination Theory to close out the second set. That would make the most sense to me. Then again, this is a band that has made a career out of defying conventional wisdom for how to create set lists, so... :lol
I think this would be the best way to do it because to close those 2 sets with those epics is just amazing.
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Dear JLB, please don't give up on persuading the others to play Trial Of Tears, as that song is heavenly.
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Dear JLB, please don't give up on persuading the others to play Trial Of Tears, as that song is heavenly.
I'd love to see this played live. This is one of the best songs off of FIF and I first heard it via Live at Budokan... An amazing performance!
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Dear JLB, please don't give up on persuading the others to play Trial Of Tears, as that song is heavenly.
I'd love to see this played live. This is one of the best songs off of FIF and I first heard it via Live at Budokan... An amazing performance!
This. My life would be complete if they played ToT and 8VM. :heart :heart :heart
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Dear JLB, please don't give up on persuading the others to play Trial Of Tears, as that song is heavenly.
I'd love to see this played live. This is one of the best songs off of FIF and I first heard it via Live at Budokan... An amazing performance!
This. My life would be complete if they played ToT and 8VM. :heart :heart :heart
Agreed. I haven't had the chance to see Octavarium live yet. That'd be such an awesome treat!
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Agreed. I haven't had the chance to see Octavarium live yet. That'd be such an awesome treat!
I haven't seen Dream Theater live yet, but that would make my first experience heavenly.
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Anyone have a hi-res picture of the album cover art for a desktop background?
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Agreed. I haven't had the chance to see Octavarium live yet. That'd be such an awesome treat!
I haven't seen Dream Theater live yet, but that would make my first experience heavenly.
:omg: If your first DT concert is gonna be on this tour you're really in for a treat! Presuming that the sets are going to be as awesome as everything seems to point to.
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Agreed. I haven't had the chance to see Octavarium live yet. That'd be such an awesome treat!
I haven't seen Dream Theater live yet, but that would make my first experience heavenly.
:omg: If your first DT concert is gonna be on this tour you're really in for a treat! Presuming that the sets are going to be as awesome as everything seems to point to.
I just became an actual fan in the last couple months. I've known about them since Rock Band 2 came out because I played Panic Attack, but I didn't actually become a fan until April. :blush
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Agreed. I haven't had the chance to see Octavarium live yet. That'd be such an awesome treat!
I haven't seen Dream Theater live yet, but that would make my first experience heavenly.
:omg: If your first DT concert is gonna be on this tour you're really in for a treat! Presuming that the sets are going to be as awesome as everything seems to point to.
I just became an actual fan in the last couple months. I've known about them since Rock Band 2 came out because I played Panic Attack, but I didn't actually become a fan until April. :blush
Oh noooooo, a Rock Band fan..... :lol At least you became a real DT fan! I know lots of people who are like "Oh, yeah, I know that band! Theyyy played Panic Attack, right? It was in Rock Band. What else do they play, again?" -___-
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Dear JLB, please don't give up on persuading the others to play Trial Of Tears, as that song is heavenly.
I'd love to see this played live. This is one of the best songs off of FIF and I first heard it via Live at Budokan... An amazing performance!
This. My life would be complete if they played ToT and 8VM. :heart :heart :heart
Train of thought and Octavarium in full ? That's a long set ;D
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Oh noooooo, a Rock Band fan..... :lol At least you became a real DT fan! I know lots of people who are like "Oh, yeah, I know that band! Theyyy played Panic Attack, right? It was in Rock Band. What else do they play, again?" -___-
Hey, any awareness is better than no awareness. Before you know it, they're like, "I wonder what else DT has done?" and suddenly, a new hardcore fan is born.
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Anyone have a hi-res picture of the album cover art for a desktop background?
Yes! Road Runner Records' public FTP server has an extremely high resolution version of both the old and revised versions actually. (as in the original resolution 3000x3000 at 300dpi) By the way, the reflection in the majesty symbol does indeed appear to be either the Brooklyn Bridge or a set of windows within a brick building (Maybe a reference to The Looking Glass?).
https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.rr.roadrunnerrecords.com/94d3d3b0-a1c7-44c6-913a-725a17b9a18a-1373443824/DT.New.WEB.Cover.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.rr.roadrunnerrecords.com/94d3d3b0-a1c7-44c6-913a-725a17b9a18a-1373443824/DT.New.WEB.Cover.jpg) (Current version)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.rr.roadrunnerrecords.com/048cafe0-1bde-4a6c-9d51-ef5ea64ff91d-1373379581/DT.New.Cover.HR.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.rr.roadrunnerrecords.com/048cafe0-1bde-4a6c-9d51-ef5ea64ff91d-1373379581/DT.New.Cover.HR.jpg) (The old version with the sliced Earth)
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Huh... I wonder if the Majesty symbol is reflecting a window on purpose, or if that was done just to make it look shiny. I mean, it could be like, no matter how dark the world is, it will always shine a window of light on Dream Theater.
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Oh noooooo, a Rock Band fan..... :lol At least you became a real DT fan! I know lots of people who are like "Oh, yeah, I know that band! Theyyy played Panic Attack, right? It was in Rock Band. What else do they play, again?" -___-
Hey, any awareness is better than no awareness. Before you know it, they're like, "I wonder what else DT has done?" and suddenly, a new hardcore fan is born.
I can thank my best friend for that. He guided me through their discography and introduced me to them slowly. Now I'm completely hooked and wondering why I didn't start listening to them years ago.
Oh noooooo, a Rock Band fan..... :lol At least you became a real DT fan! I know lots of people who are like "Oh, yeah, I know that band! Theyyy played Panic Attack, right? It was in Rock Band. What else do they play, again?" -___-
Haha. I had SFAM on my mp3 player, but I didn't understand the idea of a concept album and just threw it into my mix playlist, so I was getting songs out of order and disconnected, so obviously I didn't connect to it. Thankfully I've seen the error of my ways! :biggrin:
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I'm with Boolsheet, the "radio-friendly" tracks are usually the worst on the album (relative, they are better than most other songs out there). The last time DT didn't write an apparent radio friendly track was 6DOIT. Is it a coincidence that no album since has yet to meet or exceed 6DOIT? I think not. </opinion>
Every DT album since then (apart from BC&SL) has exceeded SDOIT </opinion>
Nothing has exceeded SDOIT. Not before or since. You be trippin'.
I think we had this conversation already, blob :lol
SDOIT is certainly million times more creative than every album they released since...
Creativity is nice, but if it's lacking quality, not even creativity can save it. TGP and Disappear are stellar though :heart
For me, Glass Prison, Great Debate and Six Degrees are top 10 DT songs... also Blind Faith is great and Misunderstood and Disappear very good... and with this album, even when some songs drags, i don't feel they are just playing to make the song longer like in recent albums...
ToT is more straightforward album, too much wankery sometimes...
8varium they attempt to be other bands
SC is ToT, but less songwriting and more wankery
BC&SL :facepalm:
ADTOE, although some songs feel forced, they're trying to be right on track again
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I didn't really loved they albums since SDOIT, only liked some stuff (ToT, 8V, ADTOE), disliked other (SC, BC&SL)...
Of course, there are always great passages, riffs and stuff, but not enough to love the entire album
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too much wankery sometimes...
No such thing.
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Anyone have a hi-res picture of the album cover art for a desktop background?
Yes! Road Runner Records' public FTP server has an extremely high resolution version of both the old and revised versions actually. (as in the original resolution 3000x3000 at 300dpi) By the way, the reflection in the majesty symbol does indeed appear to be either the Brooklyn Bridge or a set of windows within a brick building (Maybe a reference to The Looking Glass?).
https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.rr.roadrunnerrecords.com/94d3d3b0-a1c7-44c6-913a-725a17b9a18a-1373443824/DT.New.WEB.Cover.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.rr.roadrunnerrecords.com/94d3d3b0-a1c7-44c6-913a-725a17b9a18a-1373443824/DT.New.WEB.Cover.jpg) (Current version)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.rr.roadrunnerrecords.com/048cafe0-1bde-4a6c-9d51-ef5ea64ff91d-1373379581/DT.New.Cover.HR.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.rr.roadrunnerrecords.com/048cafe0-1bde-4a6c-9d51-ef5ea64ff91d-1373379581/DT.New.Cover.HR.jpg) (The old version with the sliced Earth)
Thanks a million!
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Haha. I had SFAM on my mp3 player, but I didn't understand the idea of a concept album and just threw it into my mix playlist, so I was getting songs out of order and disconnected, so obviously I didn't connect to it. Thankfully I've seen the error of my ways! :biggrin:
:lol In the "old days" when I would discover a new band, I used to preview all the songs from every album on iTunes, then buy one from each album that I thought I liked most based on the preview. The one I got from SFAM just so happened to be TDOE :D so I didn't get any funky out of place story, thankfully.
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not sure if this has been posted:
https://www.metalsucks.net/2013/08/15/john-petrucci-says-between-the-buried-and-me-periphery-and-animals-as-leaders-influenced-and-shaped-the-new-dream-theater-album/
seeing as DT, BTBAM, and Periphery are my top 3 favorite bands. this is SICK
i know people might get uptight over the headline but what I would take away from it is Periphery and AAL = more low grooves ( I don't see Petrucci playing stuff at a Tosin Abasi level) and BTBAM influence can be anything cause they are all over the map
it's kind of incredible that Petrucci inspired Periphery and BTBAM, now they inspired him. full circle
"In related news, Misha Mansoor, Tosin Abasi, and Paul Waggoner have all been spotted walking around with ear-to-ear smiles today."
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Interesting stuff. But yeah, it's kind of funny that they posted his direct quote and it wasn't even close to what the headline is saying.
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I noticed that as well.
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Metalsucks does that a lot.
So does Ultimate Guitar for that matter.
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Interesting stuff. But yeah, it's kind of funny that they posted his direct quote and it wasn't even close to what the headline is saying.
isn't that any headline ever?
anything you hear that you like the sound of becomes an influence and shapes who you are as a musician writing music.”
not exactly but close enough
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Metalsucks does that a lot.
So does Ultimate Guitar for that matter.
Well, it's a good thing that Blabbermouth has enough integrity to actually coax the headline they're looking for out of the artist, even if they're only quoting a small fragment of the overall statement.
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Metalsucks does that a lot.
So does Ultimate Guitar for that matter.
Ultimate Guitar is the worst. Most of the times their headlines have absolutely nothing to do with the story.
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Metalsucks does that a lot.
So does Ultimate Guitar for that matter.
Well, it's a good thing that Blabbermouth has enough integrity to actually coax the headline they're looking for out of the artist, even if they're only quoting a small fragment of the overall statement.
On the flip side, Blabbermouth has an atrocious comments section. And even if Metalsucks does have misleading headlines from time to time, they usually get the info out that's needed, and have a lot of awesome 3rd string writers.
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You can easily avoid the comment section though.
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You can easily avoid the comment section though.
Not when you're an active member of discussion in them.
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Yea but why would you want to be a member of discussion on a website like that? :lol
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I'm not overly familiar with AAL, but since Periphery and BTBAM are amazing, this might be interesting.
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Anyone have a hi-res picture of the album cover art for a desktop background?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.rr.roadrunnerrecords.com/94d3d3b0-a1c7-44c6-913a-725a17b9a18a-1373443824/DT.New.WEB.Cover.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.rr.roadrunnerrecords.com/94d3d3b0-a1c7-44c6-913a-725a17b9a18a-1373443824/DT.New.WEB.Cover.jpg) (Current version)
Why did I have to look at this? The top left corner original J. J. Abrams lense flare from behind the planet™ is still cut off diagonally.
I wouldn't dare to deliver unfinished material like that, at least not for anything that's supposed to be beyond a very rough preview.
That makes me one very sad panda design & graphics guy. Why isn't there an emoticon for that? A crying pixel or something. (https://www.dreamshade.net/foren/dreamtheaterforums/sadpixel.png)
Greetings...
Nef
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Not seeing it but my monitor should be darker than the average user's.
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I'm pretty sure it won't be noticable in print - which is the important part. The things i've gotten away with because I know the printing process would wash out the artifacts...
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I don't even notice it as it is, and I'm tilting my LCD screen back and forth to change how light the pixels are displayed.
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I'm pretty sure it won't be noticable in print - which is the important part. The things i've gotten away with because I know the printing process would wash out the artifcats...
I know it won't be visible. But it's there. And I've seen it. And it cannot unsee it. (https://www.dreamshade.net/foren/dreamtheaterforums/sadpixel.png)
I wasn't all too serious about it, at least it's something to talk complain about. ;D
Greetings...
Nef
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Haha. I had SFAM on my mp3 player, but I didn't understand the idea of a concept album and just threw it into my mix playlist, so I was getting songs out of order and disconnected, so obviously I didn't connect to it. Thankfully I've seen the error of my ways! :biggrin:
:lol In the "old days" when I would discover a new band, I used to preview all the songs from every album on iTunes, then buy one from each album that I thought I liked most based on the preview. The one I got from SFAM just so happened to be TDOE :D so I didn't get any funky out of place story, thankfully.
Haha, you got lucky there! I feel like that and TSCO would be some of the few you could listen to out of context and not be completely confused...
...though in all fairness I've listened to SFAM multiple times and I'm still completely confused. :lol
Edit: NEW BOOKLET ART.
https://instagram.com/dtimages
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(https://i.imgur.com/T3l6fiw.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/T3l6fiw.jpg)
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I like it better than the last one
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Yeah thats pretty cool, not too bad!
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I like it better than the last one
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I like it better than the last one
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Still, Syme's usual sloppy job: to me the boy looks like he's hovering over the sand instead of really touching it.
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Now someone needs to make a REAL one of those! Even better: on Hawaii's black sand beach!
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It's the same bird as on the Greatest Hit cover! :dangerwillrobinson:
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I quite like it.
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Now... What song is this for? :justjen
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Still, Syme's usual sloppy job: to me the boy looks like he's hovering over the sand instead of really touching it.
The rake looks even worse. And isn't this perspective of the majesty logo the same one the cover of BC&SL?
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I don't know .. IMO it looks kinda copy/paste clipartish... Rake looks like shit.. But i don't know. I'm not a professional photomanipulatorwizard
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My only complaint would be the perspective on the rake. It looks a bit off. Otherwise I think this is nice and clean and quite nice! :)
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Yea, the rake looks like it was an afterthought.
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ACOS?
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Now... What song is this for? :justjen
False a RAKE-ning ;D ;D
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Now... What song is this for? :justjen
False a RAKE-ning ;D ;D
Oh my gosh :D
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:lolpalm:
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Now... What song is this for? :justjen
False a RAKE-ning ;D ;D
Oh my gosh :D
No! you got it wrong!
It's for: "RAKEEEEEEEEE" working-title!
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Lines In The Sand
Sometimes, in the rakeage of our rake
There's a bitterness we harbor
And rake for raked's sake
Sometimes we rake an early grave
And crucify our instincts
For the rake we couldn't save
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No joke, I think this one is for TBP
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After ADTOE was a copy of Images And Words -
This should be the final piece of evidence that this album will be a copy of
" A Rake " .
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I've had my fair share of tough rakes,
I need a new voice, new lawn, new rake,
Rake the time, reevaluate,
It's time to rake up the pieces, go back to square one,
I think it's time for a RAAAEEEEAAAAKE!
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JP's guitar :drool:
(https://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/0514mishpet-620x465.jpg)
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I've had my fair share of tough rakes,
I need a new voice, new lawn, new rake,
Rake the time, reevaluate,
It's time to rake up the pieces, go back to square one,
I think it's time for a RAAAEEEEAAAAKE!
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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:lol
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Rake all of me,
The desires
That keeps burning deep in sand,
Rake them all away,
and rake to give me rake
to rake another day
I am rake-dy,
Rake me be all I can be
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Raking all Illusions.
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Raking all Illusions.
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EDIT:
Also, Build me Up, Rake me Down.
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When there is reason, tonight I'm a rake
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Rakeant
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My favorite album is Arake
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Rakentance
When Dream and Rake Unite
Blind Rake
The Rake Debate
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Oh my god this last page :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I found a picture of the guitar JP recently bought to use on the next tour!
(https://www.muzicosphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Lorne-Collie-Eccentric-Guitars.jpg)
It also looks like, JLB might be playing something new as well.
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Rakentance
When Dream and Rake Unite
Blind Rake
The Rake Debate
A Rake Of Passage
Caught In A Rake
Rake Dog
On The Rakes Of Angels
Rake's Kitchen
Take Away My Rake
The Rake Of Eternity
The Rake That Stumped Them All
Rakeless Sacrifice
Oh, and Rake Clouds & Silver Linings, A Dramatic Rake Of Events.
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Rakentance
When Dream and Rake Unite
Blind Rake
The Rake Debate
A Rake Of Passage
Caught In A Rake
Rake Dog
On The Rakes Of Angels
Rake's Kitchen
Take Away My Rake
The Rake Of Eternity
The Rake That Stumped Them All
Rakeless Sacrifice
Oh, and Rake Clouds & Silver Linings, A Dramatic Rake Of Events.
This is some funny shit... not.
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Seriously though... who brings a rake to the beach?
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Hugh Syme.
He just uses whatever he finds lying around and claims it.
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Seriously though... who brings a rake to the beach?
More seriously; The Boy looks like he has trekking boots on , but when you look at the footprints on the sand the "normal" trekking boot pattern is missing.. they would be slippery as shit without the pattern.. that picture is so fake
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Maybe it's a Buddhist reference?
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Maybe it's a Buddhist reference?
I was gonna say. I'm pretty sure that's not a beach, but a giant zen garden.
I can't tell for sure, but the greyish blue in the background... I don't think that's water. Looks more like concrete, which raises some completely different questions.
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Seriously though... who brings a rake to the beach?
The 6yr old autistic kid who can rake geometrically accurate shapes in the sand.
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I was gonna say. I'm pretty sure that's not a beach, but a giant zen garden.
Or a giant sandbox. :lol
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Seriously though... who brings a rake to the beach?
The 6yr old autistic kid who can rake geometrically accurate shapes in the sand.
So, a Monday morning lunatic, is what you're saying...
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Enough with the rakes.
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Never Enough
Maybe it's a Buddhist reference?
I was gonna say. I'm pretty sure that's not a beach, but a giant zen garden.
I can't tell for sure, but the greyish blue in the background... I don't think that's water. Looks more like concrete, which raises some completely different questions.
Yes: what the hell is Hugh Syme thinking about when doing these kinds of pictures :huh:
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Enough with the rakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPFkjF-Bdo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPFkjF-Bdo)
;)
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This last page, holy rake :rollin
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Seriously though... who brings a rake to the beach?
The 6yr old autistic kid who can rake geometrically accurate shapes in the sand.
So he's drawing shapes in the sand? :neverusethis:
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Now rake a minute man!!!
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Meh, I would rather have audio snippets, not art snippets :/
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Based on the reviews, I'm dying to hear this now! The hard part is what 30 second part of IT do you snippet? I remember hearing a snippet of ITPOE2 and it was 30 seconds of the intro noise!
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This is kind of a way of giving us snippets of the album without giving anything away :P
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But I wanna be spoiled D:
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Lines in the Sand.
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Rake Away My Pain
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Find all you need in your mind
If you rake the time
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This thread has taken a turn for the worst.
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This rake has taken a rake for the rake.
FTFY
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I think we should be finished. :\
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At this point I'm not sure why John is hiring Hugh Syme aside from nostalgia factor.
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Should've stopped 2 pages ago.
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At this point I'm not sure why John is hiring Hugh Syme aside from nostalgia factor.
I like it. Although I much prefer ants to little kids.
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I like it too. Once again, it makes me wonder what it's all about.
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Maybe it's a re-take on all the old album artwork? Kinda like "what happened afterwards" ?
The first one is giving me a BCASL-vibe, and the second :tup is definetly ACOS.
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Why're people hatin on the rake jokes? Not gonna lie, I laughed at every single one :lol
Then again, I am a cheese connoisseur!
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Why're people hatin on the rake jokes? Not gonna lie, I laughed at every single one :lol
Then again, I am a cheese connoisseur!
Well, hopefully someday you'll get a really good job, and then you'll really rake in the cheddar.
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Maybe it's a re-take on all the old album artwork? Kinda like "what happened afterwards" ?
The first one is giving me a BCASL-vibe, and the second :tup is definetly ACOS.
Actually, while it's doubtfully the truth, it makes a lot of sense.
I guess we'll just have to wait for the 3rd artwork to keep speculate! :tup
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Enough with the rakes.
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At this point I'm not sure why John is hiring Hugh Syme aside from nostalgia factor.
I like it. Although I much prefer ants to little kids.
Me too. Just look at my title. I've got a box with a glass on top full of insects. If you've watched the video for Index by Steven Wilson, you know what I'm talking about. :metal
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i like it. it's just booklet art......
no one would've ever guessed that the next set of art reveals would have a drive in theater :lol
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So the tv is a dream and this one is a Theater.
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This one looks like it refers to the "Greatest Hit . . ." release. For some reason I am picturing that car with a red interior. Might be a bit of a stretch. And they spelled Theater wrong.
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This one looks like it refers to the "Greatest Hit . . ." release. And they spelled Theater wrong.
It can be spelled both ways. Since the sign doesn't actually refer to the band itself.
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(https://i.imgur.com/2uQsWMQ.jpg)
Good looking art so far! :yarr
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Hugh Syme's booklet art is still a little hit and miss, but tends to be better than his covers. Enemy Within's artwork, I thought was dreadful. Goldmine thing looked a little off. This is neat.
If the cover's him (which it almost definitely is), it's probably his best illustration I've seen so far this album cycle. Prob rank this second? From the two thirds we've seen, anyway.
Really lacks a focal point, mind.
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What do we think will be on the billboard / sign / screen ?
& Why are there lines from the logo to the sea ?
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I'm guessing it'll be something to symbolise dreams. Possibly someone sleeping. He does have a very literal approach to album art.
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I think the whole thing is a bit ridiculous and half-assed looking.
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Hugh Syme's booklet art is still a little hit and miss, but tends to be better than his covers. Enemy Within's artwork, I thought was dreadful. Goldmine thing looked a little off. This is neat.
If the cover's him (which it almost definitely is), it's probably his best illustration I've seen so far this album cycle. Prob rank this second? From the two thirds we've seen, anyway.
Really lacks a focal point, mind.
Dangit rob, I've already given you a warning for this! :bosk1:
And it is Syme.
What do we think will be on the billboard / sign / screen ?
& Why are there lines from the logo to the sea ?
You mean the lines from poorly lining up the chunklets? You can't blame the artist for that one. :P
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(https://i.imgur.com/2uQsWMQ.jpg)
Good looking art so far! :yarr
Very inner sleeve Rush like.
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Shore it is :neverusethis:
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You mean the lines from poorly lining up the chunklets? You can't blame the artist for that one. :P
No there are dark lines lining up to the "struts" in the majesty logo which lead to the ocean. Intended ?
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You mean the lines from poorly lining up the chunklets? You can't blame the artist for that one. :P
No there are dark lines lining up to the "struts" in the majesty logo which lead to the ocean. Intended ?
Yes, you mean the lines from ANightmareToRemember lining up the image chunklets to form the bigger image. Those are not part of the artwork, and do not appear on the actual artwork.
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Alien Shore it is :neverusethis:
FTFU
:neverusethis:
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NO
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Yes, you mean the lines from ANightmareToRemember lining up the image chunklets to form the bigger picture.
FTFY :neverusethis:
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Yes, you mean the lines from ANightmareToRemember lining up the image chunklets to form the bigger picture.
FTFY :neverusethis:
Damn, missed opportunity there. :lol
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1187253_176137359235903_153478936_n.jpg)
Is it supposed to be where the tide has come in ?
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That'd be my guess ^
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Dare I say it? Lens flare.
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My bad Kotowboy. Sorry. :lolpalm:
No idea if they're intentionally or not, although I'll assume they're intentional, as I don't know how they'd get there accidentally. It does look like where the tide has come in, and maybe the dug out Majesty logo is causing more water to pool along the vertical bars causing it to be more wet/dark. Dunno! Looks like a nice effect to me though.
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Dare I say it? Lens flare.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_1416_1356790360.png)
:zydar:
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Man, he spelled it "Theatre" in the artwork. I know it's not a mistake, but that coupled with the fact the band name isn't going to be on the album cover won't help people spelling it "Dream Theatre" all the time.
Other than that, I really enjoy it.
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??? You're worried that people who buy the album will be misspelling the band name because the word "theatre" appears in the album artwork?
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You know what, if that's an actual problem, then that would imply that a bunch of people who aren't that familiar with the band are going to be buying this album. Either A: This album will as usual, appeal mainly to the core audience, so the few new fans who happen to misspell the name aren't a big deal.
Or B: This album will be bought by a whole slew of people who don't typically listen to DT, in which case, who cares about mistakes. We should be celebrating the fact that DT is being reached by a wider audience.
I'm betting on A, though.
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I'm guessing the people who care enough to look over the physical artwork in that detail are the kinds of people who know DT well enough to know how to spell their name.
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Maybe they purposely misspelled it as a joke because its always misspelled
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That has nothing to do with spelling. It's the second hit on Google for "stock drive in theatre sign". Pasting ye olde trusty seagull a second time to sit on the frame already took two minutes, so why bother with letter swapping when someone from DTF is bound to complete the job anyway?
(https://www.dreamshade.net/foren/dreamtheaterforums/booklet_dt12_theater.png)
By the way I actually like the concept on this one very much. Not a big fan of the execution though.
I'm sure we'll see the last third and thus the bigger picture soon.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/tard.gif)
Greetings...
Nef
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I wonder if we could make our own art. I mean, not me, everything I draw looks like it's melted, but there's a lot of very talented creatives here. Fun idea! Or not.
Hugh Syme's booklet art is still a little hit and miss, but tends to be better than his covers. Enemy Within's artwork, I thought was dreadful. Goldmine thing looked a little off. This is neat.
If the cover's him (which it almost definitely is), it's probably his best illustration I've seen so far this album cycle. Prob rank this second? From the two thirds we've seen, anyway.
Really lacks a focal point, mind.
Dangit rob, I've already given you a warning for this! :bosk1:
And it is Syme.
Arg! I'm only in my tenth year as a Dream Theater fan, you'd think I'd be able to get their songs' names right by now.
Clearly Syme from the booklet art, but the cover art is a little less steeped in his signature style, so I thought I'd wait for confirmation before outright presuming it was all the same guy - I do own albums where the booklet and the cover are by two different people. Cheers, sir!
My bad Kotowboy. Sorry. :lolpalm:
No idea if they're intentionally or not, although I'll assume they're intentional, as I don't know how they'd get there accidentally. It does look like where the tide has come in, and maybe the dug out Majesty logo is causing more water to pool along the vertical bars causing it to be more wet/dark. Dunno! Looks like a nice effect to me though.
I wondered if it might have been from duplicating the texture as it runs down the beach. Like, if there was a darker patch in the texture, maybe it became dark lines when it was repeated? Either way, I like it. It gives the beach shape, depth and perspective. Might've looked like a flat block of colour, without them.
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I wonder if we could make our own art. I mean, not me, everything I draw looks like it's melted,
Sounds pretty awesome, actually:
(https://ipaintingsforsale.com/UploadPic/Salvador%20Dali/big/clock%20melting%20clocks.jpg)
:biggrin:
But you did bring up an interesting idea. I mean, we've had people here do some pretty awesome fake booklet art, as I recall. Maybe we can have like, more stuff like that. I want to say DT Fan Art, but these days, the term "Fan Art" carries some disturbing connotations for me.
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Yep, that's one of mine - I was trying to draw a kitchen.
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Yep, that's one of mine - I was trying to draw a kitchen.
I thought you were trying to draw 6:00 :neverusethis:
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Yep, that's one of mine - I was trying to draw a kitchen.
I thought you were trying to draw 6:00 :neverusethis:
Nope, it was definitely a kitchen... Hell's Kitchen, that is! :neverusethis:
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Clearly Syme from the booklet art, but the cover art is a little less steeped in his signature style, so I thought I'd wait for confirmation before outright presuming it was all the same guy - I do own albums where the booklet and the cover are by two different people. Cheers, sir!
I know that the cover is also Syme. My word should be enough confirmation!
Plus it would be strange for DT to have Hugh Syme make all of their art since 2005, then ditch him for the cover, but get him to do booklet art.
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It is indeed confirmation - hence "Cheers, sir!" Sozzer, squire, should've been clearer.
When the art was revealed there was no name attached, and it didn't look very Syme, so I thought it'd be best to wait for official verification. Booklet art reeks of Syme, but it was evidence rather than proof. Put the cover artist in less doubt, but I try to keep a very clear boundary between what I think and what I know.
Don't get me wrong, I still fail. A lot. But, personal rule of thumb!
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That has nothing to do with spelling. It's the second hit on Google for "stock drive in theatre sign". Pasting ye olde trusty seagull a second time to sit on the frame already took two minutes, so why bother with letter swapping when someone from DTF is bound to complete the job anyway?
(https://jennifertanner.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/drive-in-neon-sign.jpg)
oh Syme...
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Again - this is a huge part of what digital art is. This is his medium, and very few people in his genre are going to take their own photos of drive-in signs. Only difference between now and ten years ago is that it's ever easier to find this stuff.
Fine to criticise Hugh Syme for the finished product, but I think it's a bit rich that we have this conversation every two years, where people want to hang him for being this kind of digital artist. It's really not news!
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As long as he pays for the artwork he uses, i have no problem with anyone using stock photos as part of their digital creation, especially when it's a composition like this.
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Again - this is a huge part of what digital art is. This is his medium, and very few people in his genre are going to take their own photos of drive-in signs. Only difference between now and ten years ago is that it's ever easier to find this stuff.
Fine to criticise Hugh Syme for the finished product, but I think it's a bit rich that we have this conversation every two years, where people want to hang him for being this kind of digital artist. It's really not news!
I agree.
It's just not practical to set up and take photos for such an array of random elements to compose one image. It's fine if it's for a cover, and it's something that can exist, but when you're putting together surreal scenes like this, it's just too much, and would make it more time consuming and expensive to the point of being impractical for a band like DT to do this every album.
Had you not gone out and searched for the stock image, would it have affected the quality of the final image? Judge the result, not the process. If the most appropriate image of a drive-in sign happens to be one of the first results on Google, then so be it. The real sign happens to use the spelling "theatre". It's not a matter of being easy to fix, it's a matter of whether it was even necessary to change it to begin with.
I could understand the argument for ADTOE, based on the fact that parts of the clown appeared on another prog album cover (although still heavily modified by Syme), but I'm not seeing the issue here.
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Again - this is a huge part of what digital art is. This is his medium, and very few people in his genre are going to take their own photos of drive-in signs. Only difference between now and ten years ago is that it's ever easier to find this stuff.
Fine to criticise Hugh Syme for the finished product, but I think it's a bit rich that we have this conversation every two years, where people want to hang him for being this kind of digital artist. It's really not news!
I agree.
It's just not practical to set up and take photos for such an array of random elements to compose one image. It's fine if it's for a cover, and it's something that can exist, but when you're putting together surreal scenes like this, it's just too much, and would make it more time consuming and expensive to the point of being impractical for a band like DT to do this every album.
Not just every album, but several times every album. This isn't cover art, this is from the booklet!
More power, of course, to those artists who do (or did!) put together such unusual pictures. Storm Thorgerson is a great example of someone who went the extra mile for his covers, and his products were all the better for it - but these are exceptional cases, proper industry legends. Most of the time it's neither practical, nor viable, nor particularly preferable.
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Again - this is a huge part of what digital art is. This is his medium, and very few people in his genre are going to take their own photos of drive-in signs. Only difference between now and ten years ago is that it's ever easier to find this stuff.
Fine to criticise Hugh Syme for the finished product, but I think it's a bit rich that we have this conversation every two years, where people want to hang him for being this kind of digital artist. It's really not news!
I agree.
It's just not practical to set up and take photos for such an array of random elements to compose one image. It's fine if it's for a cover, and it's something that can exist, but when you're putting together surreal scenes like this, it's just too much, and would make it more time consuming and expensive to the point of being impractical for a band like DT to do this every album.
Not just every album, but several times every album. This isn't cover art, this is from the booklet!
More power, of course, to those artists who do (or did!) put together such unusual pictures. Storm Thorgerson is a great example of someone who went the extra mile for his covers, and his products were all the better for it - but these are exceptional cases, proper industry legends. Most of the time it's neither practical, nor viable, nor particularly preferable.
And if you can do it, all the better. But I'm not going to dwell on the fact that Hugh Syme didn't set up his own drive-in theater/re at the beach, and park a classic '50s car in the waves while some kid tends to a 10' Majesty logo. And don't even get me started on getting those seagulls to cooperate. :P
This is the approach that works best for this style.
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Judging by the kid's footprints, he only just got there, and certainly hasn't moved since he did. Logic dictates that it was probably the seagulls who tended to the ten foot majesty logo. From the air.
These are almost certainly powers way beyond even Storm Thorgerson's ken.
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Anyone think the most recent artwork is a reference to Hurricane/Superstorm Sandy? Seeing iconic '50s imagery out in the surf reminded me immediately of pictures of the aftermath of the storm along the Jersey Shore, with largely intact rollercoasters sticking up 50 yards out in the water (the boardwalks & parks were largely built in the '50s).
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Just posted today's images.
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So ! the Billboard has . . .
. . Nothing on it !
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I Wonder if Hugh Syme googled " nothing " and slapped it on the billboard.
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I Wonder if Hugh Syme googled " nothing " and slapped it on the billboard.
That is just... cruel :laugh: :laugh:
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I Wonder if Hugh Syme googled " nothing " and slapped it on the billboard.
I remember seeing Rush on the Power Window's tour and their bus was parked and on the front of the bus where it tells you the city the bus is traveling to is said, "Nobody Important." :lol
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I expected a song title would be on the billboard, similar to the books in the last image. Seems like that's not the case.
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But hey !
It's a DREAM Theater - so the blank billboard is a blank canvas like your mind, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan :hat
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"Life begins with an empty slate". Wrong album though.
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But hey !
It's a DREAM Theater - so the blank billboard is a blank canvas like your mind, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan :hat
I don't know about you, but if there was a billboard in one of my dreams, it wouldn't be blank :)
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I would love a remix of ADTOE with DT's mix. Bridges In The Sky would be so heavy hitting and incredible
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Bridges In The Sky already is incredible :2metal:
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Uh, guys, that's not a billboard... It's a projection screen for the Drive-In 'Theatre'. And even if something would be projecting onto it, chances are, it wouldn't be visible in the middle of a sunny day on the beach, anyway.
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It should be printed in such a way where if you look at it through sunglasses or whatever it shows a still from LALP
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It should be printed in such a way where if you look at it through sunglasses or whatever it shows a still from LALP
Or better yet. The album should come with its own decoder glasses. :biggrin:
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YessSSssss
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It's a movie screen for a drive in theatre. A lot of people go see movies in theatres to go see The Bigger Picture version of the movie ;)
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Yes, I think this is the art for The Bigger Picture.
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Again - this is a huge part of what digital art is. This is his medium, and very few people in his genre are going to take their own photos of drive-in signs. Only difference between now and ten years ago is that it's ever easier to find this stuff.
Fine to criticise Hugh Syme for the finished product, but I think it's a bit rich that we have this conversation every two years, where people want to hang him for being this kind of digital artist. It's really not news!
I agree.
It's just not practical to set up and take photos for such an array of random elements to compose one image. It's fine if it's for a cover, and it's something that can exist, but when you're putting together surreal scenes like this, it's just too much, and would make it more time consuming and expensive to the point of being impractical for a band like DT to do this every album.
Excellent point. Plus he lives in Indiana and has a family. I don't think he has the time or money to do things the way SOME people want him to do it. I'm sure he makes a really good living but probably not enough to justify what some of the fans demand.
Had you not gone out and searched for the stock image, would it have affected the quality of the final image?
I can't answer for him but I can answer for me. I love art. I'm not an artist and I don't spend much time looking at art but I know good art when I see it (it being subjective of course). My house is filled with art. Everything from actually prints from people like Paul Norton, to album covers, to pictures I took that were put through a simple digital filter to make it look more artsy, or crappy cheap stuff I found a thrift store that I happen to like....hell, I even have a painting done by an elephant at a local zoo.
With that said, I still consider myself a very casual art fan. Sure I'll pay 15 bucks to go to a nice art museum and I'll make an effort to go to the art festival downtown but thats it. The only stock images of art I know are ones I see in clipart in powerpoint presentations so a high quality image like what Syme does either hits me or it doesn't and most of what he does I love. This one is no exception.
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Yes, I think this is the art for The Bigger Picture.
Me too.
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Two snippets have appeared on youtube. One from IT and one from EM. Is it legit to post the links?
Unless they're directly from RoadRunner or Dream Theater, they wouldn't be allowed to be posted.
They're also probably fake.
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FAKE. FAKE. FAKE.
One of them is just the intro of the fake one that was posted the other day with the 2 second snippet taken from the studio video (it's clearly the same guy), and the other one is I believe a JR Omnisphere demo from NAMM with some other song tacked onto the end.
It's not ok to post links to potential snippets, real or fake, as they wouldn't be allowed until after being made official, which you'd find out about here anyway. :biggrin:
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FAKE. FAKE. FAKE.
One of them is just the intro of the fake one that was posted the other day with the 2 second snippet taken from the studio video (it's clearly the same guy), and the other one is I believe a JR Omnisphere demo from NAMM with some other song tacked onto the end.
It's not ok to post links to potential snippets, real or fake, as they wouldn't be allowed until after being made official, which you'd find out about here anyway. :biggrin:
Thank you Blob! That's why I asked about it before =)
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As they say, better to be safe than temp-banned!
As the rule of thumb, unless you see it posted here by a mod, or posted by DT directly (FB/Twitter/dt.net), then it's off limits, whether it's real or fake. If/when a real snippet is released, it would be posted as a new thread by bosk/wey literally the second it's publicly available.
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Yes. Despite being an unofficial forum official updates are posted here too as they go public. :tup
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Roger!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HMyjSkGhDM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HMyjSkGhDM)
New interview with John and James.
For those of you who don't want to hear TEI before release, the video contains snippets of it at the beginning and end.
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Uh, guys, that's not a billboard... It's a projection screen for the Drive-In 'Theatre'.
This. You fail, DTF. :lol
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Love the hilarious bit at the beginning. :lol
And this probably deserves a thread of its own :tup
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HMyjSkGhDM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HMyjSkGhDM)
New interview with John and James
Cool interview, no new info I don't think but a nice conversation with JP and JLB. Always good to hear their interviews!
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Again - this is a huge part of what digital art is. This is his medium, and very few people in his genre are going to take their own photos of drive-in signs. Only difference between now and ten years ago is that it's ever easier to find this stuff.
Fine to criticise Hugh Syme for the finished product, but I think it's a bit rich that we have this conversation every two years, where people want to hang him for being this kind of digital artist. It's really not news!
I agree.
It's just not practical to set up and take photos for such an array of random elements to compose one image. It's fine if it's for a cover, and it's something that can exist, but when you're putting together surreal scenes like this, it's just too much, and would make it more time consuming and expensive to the point of being impractical for a band like DT to do this every album.
Had you not gone out and searched for the stock image, would it have affected the quality of the final image? Judge the result, not the process. If the most appropriate image of a drive-in sign happens to be one of the first results on Google, then so be it. The real sign happens to use the spelling "theatre". It's not a matter of being easy to fix, it's a matter of whether it was even necessary to change it to begin with.
I respectfully disagree. Either do your job properly or don't bother. Putting together a montage of free images isn't art IMO.
Personally I have zero respect for Syme. If he was to paint these images then that would be a different story.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HMyjSkGhDM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HMyjSkGhDM)
New interview with John and James
Cool interview, no new info I don't think but a nice conversation with JP and JLB. Always good to hear their interviews!
" Fo'ward."
Not a bad interview but I find it a bit cringey when interviewers are a bit sycophantic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HMyjSkGhDM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HMyjSkGhDM)
New interview with John and James
Cool interview, no new info I don't think but a nice conversation with JP and JLB. Always good to hear their interviews!
^ This. Plus...HOT BABE ALERT!
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Dream Theater/Roadrunner isn't very awesome at building hype for the new album. I've almost forgot there's a new cd coming in a month.
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I just noticed that no one has posted the full image in this thread yet. Here it is.
(https://i.imgur.com/JAzWknB.jpg)
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I just noticed that no one has posted the full image in this thread yet. Here it is.
Thanks!
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That, I love! :tup
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Thanks for putting up the full image. I like it! :tup
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Hmm... I just now went back in this thread to look at the other full images and noticed that they seem to have been taken down from imgur. Perhaps they don't want us to put them together like this? If so I'll remove the picture from my post.
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That interviewer is gorgeous. :heart And yeah, fun interview all around. :tup
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Man, it's crazy to think how much the band has changed since MP's departure. I remember a time, when these 2-member interviews would usually just contain JP and MP. JP was of course, always one of the main creative and musical forces behind the album, and MP always took that seat as the head honcho, the spokesperson for the album.
Now, James kind of took that over. JP is obviously still the main musical force behind it, but now, JLB is really filling the shoes of the front man. He understands everything about the music and the direction perfectly (not that he never used to, he just never had the opportunity to fully express it, IMO) and is really embracing being the 'front' man of Dream Theater, being the face and the voice of it. Which, I think, is how it should be. He no longer comes off like that guy who flies in from Canada to do the singing. It's much more evident that he's an integral part of the Dream Theater brand.
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That alone would have made a nice album cover.
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Man, it's crazy to think how much the band has changed since MP's departure. I remember a time, when these 2-member interviews would usually just contain JP and MP. JP was of course, always one of the main creative and musical forces behind the album, and MP always took that seat as the head honcho, the spokesperson for the album.
Now, James kind of took that over. JP is obviously still the main musical force behind it, but now, JLB is really filling the shoes of the front man. He understands everything about the music and the direction perfectly (not that he never used to, he just never had the opportunity to fully express it, IMO) and is really embracing being the 'front' man of Dream Theater, being the face and the voice of it. Which, I think, is how it should be. He no longer comes off like that guy who flies in from Canada to do the singing. It's much more evident that he's an integral part of the Dream Theater brand.
This exactly. I love that.
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Man, it's crazy to think how much the band has changed since MP's departure. I remember a time, when these 2-member interviews would usually just contain JP and MP. JP was of course, always one of the main creative and musical forces behind the album, and MP always took that seat as the head honcho, the spokesperson for the album.
Now, James kind of took that over. JP is obviously still the main musical force behind it, but now, JLB is really filling the shoes of the front man. He understands everything about the music and the direction perfectly (not that he never used to, he just never had the opportunity to fully express it, IMO) and is really embracing being the 'front' man of Dream Theater, being the face and the voice of it. Which, I think, is how it should be. He no longer comes off like that guy who flies in from Canada to do the singing. It's much more evident that he's an integral part of the Dream Theater brand.
Great post! Totally agree with everything you said there...
It just seems to make sense now, watching that interview just made sense to me. The guitarist who is the main musical force and the front man who has his mind wrapped around the full vision of the album and the band. Its just very enjoyable to listen to both JP and JLB and they clearly have both settled into their post-MP roles very well.
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Man, it's crazy to think how much the band has changed since MP's departure. I remember a time, when these 2-member interviews would usually just contain JP and MP. JP was of course, always one of the main creative and musical forces behind the album, and MP always took that seat as the head honcho, the spokesperson for the album.
Now, James kind of took that over. JP is obviously still the main musical force behind it, but now, JLB is really filling the shoes of the front man. He understands everything about the music and the direction perfectly (not that he never used to, he just never had the opportunity to fully express it, IMO) and is really embracing being the 'front' man of Dream Theater, being the face and the voice of it. Which, I think, is how it should be. He no longer comes off like that guy who flies in from Canada to do the singing. It's much more evident that he's an integral part of the Dream Theater brand.
:tup
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I wonder what kind of band they would be if MP stayed and Labrie & Myung quit.
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Again - this is a huge part of what digital art is. This is his medium, and very few people in his genre are going to take their own photos of drive-in signs. Only difference between now and ten years ago is that it's ever easier to find this stuff.
Fine to criticise Hugh Syme for the finished product, but I think it's a bit rich that we have this conversation every two years, where people want to hang him for being this kind of digital artist. It's really not news!
I agree.
It's just not practical to set up and take photos for such an array of random elements to compose one image. It's fine if it's for a cover, and it's something that can exist, but when you're putting together surreal scenes like this, it's just too much, and would make it more time consuming and expensive to the point of being impractical for a band like DT to do this every album.
Had you not gone out and searched for the stock image, would it have affected the quality of the final image? Judge the result, not the process. If the most appropriate image of a drive-in sign happens to be one of the first results on Google, then so be it. The real sign happens to use the spelling "theatre". It's not a matter of being easy to fix, it's a matter of whether it was even necessary to change it to begin with.
I respectfully disagree. Either do your job properly or don't bother. Putting together a montage of free images isn't art IMO.
That is his job properly. Whether you think it counts as art or no.
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Did Syme do 8V?
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Yes.
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That is his job properly. Whether you think it counts as art or no.
The lead singer of Mansun got kicked out of art college for using a ruler on his drawings !
Who's to say that straight lines aren't art ?!
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Yes.
Interesting. I think that 8v is DT's best album art that they ever have had. Yet I find everything else he has done to be pretty bad.
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I don't hate the art, I just think it should have gone with the album cover. The two look like they're from totally different albums.
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Watched an interview I'm so pumped about new album and especially first DT show I'll attend :hefdaddy
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Mansun :heart Just listened to them today.
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Note to those who have not heard The Enemy Inside and don't want to hear it until the album is released:
Parts of the song are played both at the beginning and at the end of the interview.
Someone should've pointed that out before, but I might prevent some people from listening to those bits.
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He no longer comes off like that guy who flies in from Canada to do the singing. It's much more evident that he's an integral part of the Dream Theater brand
This, ...., I like it. :yarr
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I wish they hired the guy who did the TOT artwork once again. That's my absolute favourite.
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I wish they hired the guy who did the TOT artwork once again. That's my absolute favourite.
As long as it's not printed on cheap, crappy paper.
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I wish they hired the guy who did the TOT artwork once again. That's my absolute favourite.
As long as it's not printed on cheap, crappy paper.
Curse you matte booklet! I demand gloss!
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Curse you matte booklet! I demand gloss!
Plus the lyrics in ToT were printed crooked. That bugs the hell out of me.
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Curse you matte booklet! I demand gloss!
Plus the lyrics in ToT were printed crooked. That bugs the hell out of me.
DON'T CROSS THE CROOKED PRINTING.
I just checked, and there's no problem on my copy that I notice. If some were printed off crooked though, that sucks!
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I thought the Train of Thought paper was ace! It is a brilliant booklet, with brilliant art, though, yes. I just wonder if it'd be too similar to ToT, a second time.
...Are we discussing the different papers lyric booklets are made out of, here? Yep, okay, just checking.
Yes.
Interesting. I think that 8v is DT's best album art that they ever have had. Yet I find everything else he has done to be pretty bad.
I think they've got better covers, but the booklet's about as good as it gets. Then again, Hugh Syme's style really matched it. All the literal puns and visual clues match Octavarium's themes, and the bright vibe of the art is a good fit for the relatively breezy vibe of the album.
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DON'T CROSS THE CROOKED PRINTING.
I just checked, and there's no problem on my copy that I notice. If some were printed off crooked though, that sucks!
Actually, now that I look at it, my bad, it's not the lyrics (except ITNOG), it's the back of the cover, where all the credits are printed. Mine is really noticeably slanted. Like they cut it at an angle or something.
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I think they've got better covers, but the booklet's about as good as it gets. Then again, Hugh Syme's style really matched it. All the literal puns and visual clues match Octavarium's themes, and the bright vibe of the art is a good fit for the relatively breezy vibe of the album.
I agree. The Octavarium booklet is probably their best. As for album covers, I think the Octavarium cover is really good, and I personally love the SC one. DT12 is one of their better ones too, although I'm still not big on the new Majesty design.
I was not a big fan of the BCASL and ADTOE covers, but again the booklet art was great stuff!
Actually, now that I look at it, my bad, it's not the lyrics (except ITNOG), it's the back of the cover, where all the credits are printed. Mine is really noticeably slanted. Like they cut it at an angle or something.
The back page has an ever so slight slant on mine, but I wouldn't have even noticed it at all had I not been looking for it.
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The back page has an ever so slight slant on mine, but I wouldn't have even noticed it at all had I not been looking for it.
Well, yeah, it's not upside down or anything, lol. I'd say it's roughly 3 - 4 degrees, but I don't know, it still bugs me.
Also, I think the lyrics for As I Am/Endless Sacrifice are printed too close to the edge. It really seems like there was some cheap cutting equipment used when making the booklets.
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I don't mind the TOT paper.
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The back page has an ever so slight slant on mine, but I wouldn't have even noticed it at all had I not been looking for it.
Well, yeah, it's not upside down or anything, lol. I'd say it's roughly 3 - 4 degrees, but I don't know, it still bugs me.
Also, I think the lyrics for As I Am/Endless Sacrifice are printed too close to the edge. It really seems like there was some cheap cutting equipment used when making the booklets.
The closest lyrics to the edge are TDS, and I measured it at 1/8" / 4mm from the edge. All of the other lyrics look to be the same distance. Can you measure it on yours? I'd like to know just how messed up your booklet is!
This is what the back page of my booklet looks like (sorry for the crap quality)
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/IMG_0021.jpg
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Dingos ate your camera? :blob:
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The closest lyrics to the edge are TDS, and I measured it at 1/8" / 4mm from the edge. All of the other lyrics look to be the same distance. Can you measure it on yours? I'd like to know just how messed up your booklet is!
This is what the back page of my booklet looks like (sorry for the crap quality)
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/IMG_0021.jpg
All right, well, since we're sharing images, here's mine. As you can see, the back of the print is quite crooked. And the lyrics to As I Am and This Dying Soul are right up against the edge, maybe leaving barely 1mm of space. You can also see on As I Am, the edge of the picture from the second last page of the booklet can be seen near the center.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/Kovalevskyy/ToT-Booklet.jpg
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Jebus dude, you got one horribly printed booklet! You weren't lying! :o The lyrics for TDS look almost cut off.
I won't post pics of my other pages for comparison, but as I said, they're all a solid 4mm from the edge, which yours clearly aren't. I assume mine is how it was intended to be.
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Yeah, probably... Although if EVERY booklet wasn't a misprint/miscut like that... That would make my booklet more unique... So I'm actually starting to like it, now, haha.
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Yeah, probably... Although if EVERY booklet wasn't a misprint/miscut like that... That would make my booklet more unique... So I'm actually starting to like it, now, haha.
My booklet has the same weird cutoff for TDS. Thankfully it's not actually cutting off the lyrics, but it looks odd.
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Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
Wait.
Wait, all of False Awakening is an instrumental?
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Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
Wait.
Wait, all of False Awakening is an instrumental?
Yes.
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The closest lyrics to the edge are TDS, and I measured it at 1/8" / 4mm from the edge. All of the other lyrics look to be the same distance. Can you measure it on yours? I'd like to know just how messed up your booklet is!
This is what the back page of my booklet looks like (sorry for the crap quality)
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/IMG_0021.jpg
All right, well, since we're sharing images, here's mine. As you can see, the back of the print is quite crooked. And the lyrics to As I Am and This Dying Soul are right up against the edge, maybe leaving barely 1mm of space. You can also see on As I Am, the edge of the picture from the second last page of the booklet can be seen near the center.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/Kovalevskyy/ToT-Booklet.jpg
Mine is pretty much like this. The lyrics to TDS has a little more space at teh edge, but not much.
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Here's the full version of what I assume to be the booklet artwork for The Bigger Picture. I took it down last time I posted it as I wasn't sure if it was okay to share the snippet images pasted together like this.
(https://i.imgur.com/RKDGmwQ.jpg)
Source (https://instagram.com/dreamtheater2013)
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Mansun :heart Just listened to them today.
Attack Of The Grey Lantern. :heart
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Here's the full version of what I assume to be the booklet artwork for The Bigger Picture. I took it down last time I posted it as I wasn't sure if it was okay to share the snippet images pasted together like this.
*snip
Source (https://instagram.com/dreamtheater2013)
Is there a version of this for Behind the Veil? that is 1836x1836?
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Any thoughts if we are getting a new studio video today? Maybe with another short snippet? I can imagine :soon: to be releasing small bits once a week till 9/24.
5 weeks to go!
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Here's the full version of what I assume to be the booklet artwork for The Bigger Picture. I took it down last time I posted it as I wasn't sure if it was okay to share the snippet images pasted together like this.
(https://i.imgur.com/RKDGmwQ.jpg)
Source (https://instagram.com/dreamtheater2013)
I'm sorry...but everything looks so copied and pasted... Especially the flying seagull! This is professional work...? :\
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Hopefully something new for this week. A snippet, a vid...anything to keep the anticipation high.
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Chiming in because I was one that really didn't like the last picture. Aside from the kid here, I love this concept. It probably could've done a little better, but I really think this one looks great.
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Chiming in because I was one that really didn't like the last picture. Aside from the kid here, I love this concept. It probably could've done a little better, but I really think this one looks great.
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Note to those who have not heard The Enemy Inside and don't want to hear it until the album is released:
Parts of the song are played both at the beginning and at the end of the interview.
Someone should've pointed that out before, but I might prevent some people from listening to those bits.
Very cool of you to point that out - thank you. Too bad I'd already listenened... hehe! Mind you, I didn't even realise it was DT. Sounded like a generic piece of intro music to me :blush :lol
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I wish they hired the guy who did the TOT artwork once again. That's my absolute favourite.
As long as it's not printed on cheap, crappy paper.
Curse you matte booklet! I demand gloss!
Weird, my copy is on gloss paper.
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Mansun :heart Just listened to them today.
Attack Of The Grey Lantern. :heart
It's all about Six for me (the UK version not the butchered US version), that's like prog-pop. But they're all good.
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I was so jealous last night. My wife is a huge A7X fan and they started streaming their new unreleased album for free on iTunes. I was like "Why can't DT do that?!?"
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Any thoughts if we are getting a new studio video today?
There isn't one planned.
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I was so jealous last night. My wife is a huge A7X fan and they started streaming their new unreleased album for free on iTunes. I was like "Why can't DT do that?!?"
Why would DT stream A7X's album? ???
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oh bosk :lol
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:neverusethis:
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I was so jealous last night. My wife is a huge A7X fan and they started streaming their new unreleased album for free on iTunes. I was like "Why can't DT do that?!?"
Why would DT stream A7X's album? ???
olol
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I was so jealous last night. My wife is a huge A7X fan and they started streaming their new unreleased album for free on iTunes. I was like "Why can't DT do that?!?"
Also, keep in mind A7X's new record is officially released in one week, DT's new record wont be out for 5 more weeks. DT may have plans to do the exact same thing, they may not, but if they do we might just not know about it yet.
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i just finihsed re-watching the 4 "In Studio" episodes... i CAN"T WAIT!!!! This album is going to be amazing! RELEASE IT NOW!!!!!!
I just emailed my 14-year-old son so he can watch them, too. The last tour was his first real rock show (took him to Paul McCartney a few years ago, but that really doesn't count), and he is already jazzed up ready for DT to come back through Dallas. I think he's getting excited about the new Fates Warning album, since they're playing here in December, so I'll take him to that one as well. AND, they're playing a small club, so it'll be a much different experience for him. Sure beats the shit out of that dub-shit he likes.
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i just finihsed re-watching the 4 "In Studio" episodes... i CAN"T WAIT!!!! This album is going to be amazing! RELEASE IT NOW!!!!!!
I just emailed my 14-year-old son so he can watch them, too. The last tour was his first real rock show (took him to Paul McCartney a few years ago, but that really doesn't count), and he is already jazzed up ready for DT to come back through Dallas. I think he's getting excited about the new Fates Warning album, since they're playing here in December, so I'll take him to that one as well. AND, they're playing a small club, so it'll be a much different experience for him. Sure beats the shit out of that dub-shit he likes.
I wish you were my dad.
Adopt me please.
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well then 163 pages.
It would seem people are a tad excited.
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I was so jealous last night. My wife is a huge A7X fan and they started streaming their new unreleased album for free on iTunes. I was like "Why can't DT do that?!?"
Why would DT stream A7X's album? ???
:tup nice job Bosk
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(https://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4521/akhl.jpg)
That's either an awfully small child or a huge car!
Also the DT logo doesn't align with the horizon, but this could also be due to a sloped beach.
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I just hope to get at least one synth/bass-driven song that is not a power ballad. Just one. Something like Lifting Shadows, 6:00, New Millenium, or the first half of Scarred, where the guitar takes a supporting (and not a lead) role for the entire song. Or at least have a song where it's hard to tell which instrument is in charge, like Learning to Live, TTT, Erotomania, etc.
They haven't done one of these songs in years.
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I just hope to get at least one synth/bass-driven song that is not a power ballad. Just one. Something like Lifting Shadows, 6:00, New Millenium, or the first half of Scarred, where the guitar takes a supporting (and not a lead) role for the entire song. Or at least have a song where it's hard to tell which instrument is in charge, like Learning to Live, TTT, Erotomania, etc.
They haven't done one of these songs in years.
Oh yeah, that would be great.
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I thinK you are totally right.A song that you can't tell which instrument leads and which follows.Absolutely agree!
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New to the forum, hey guys!
Not sure if this was posted yet but snippets of Enigma Machine and Illumination Theory:
And gone lol
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New to the forum, hey guys!
Not sure if this was posted yet but snippets of Enigma Machine and Illumination Theory:
and gone lol
In before (temp) ban.
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I believe they are confirmed as fake.
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it must be exciting to fall for those
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Those are 100% fake.
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I edited my post. If they are real and I get temp banned then it was worth it for you guys :p
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What is so difficult about reading the rules before posting?
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What is so difficult about reading the rules before posting?
we also don't need to jump down noob's throats. he messed up, we told him, the post was edited. wasn't even a real leak
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What is so difficult about reading the rules before posting?
we also don't need to jump down noob's throats. he messed up, we told him, the post was edited. wasn't even a real leak
I bet the people who have heard the album can confirm it even more so.
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So, hypothetically... What if someone posted a leak and said, "Hey guys, check out this fake leak." Technically, they know they're not posting actual leaked material, right? Would that be against the rules?
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to be fair, I googled the lyrics to the sample that clearly has James Labrie's vocals and no results came up at all. So that might be legit? Just a thought.
edit: oh, would you look at that.... the video Im talking about got taken down. It was for "the bigger picture". thats strange.
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to be fair, I googled the lyrics to the sample that clearly has James Labrie's vocals and no results came up at all. So that might be legit? Just a thought.
edit: oh, would you look at that.... the video Im talking about got taken down. It was for "the bigger picture". thats strange.
I can't find where I saw it now, but I know someone found the source on that one. Was something pretty obscure that James did.
EDIT: Found it, it's "La Mer" by Frameshift. Here are the lyrics: https://www.metrolyrics.com/la-mer-lyrics-frameshift.html
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Was it on the same youtube channel? Anything on that youtube channel is cleverly disguised fakes. And the guy takes down the fakes once people identify the sources of the samples...
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Was it on the same youtube channel? Anything on that youtube channel is cleverly disguised fakes. And the guy takes down the fakes once people identify the sources of the samples...
Indeed, same channel. I forget what the lyrics were now but it had something to do with a gallery under the ocean or something
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Well, in that Enigma Machine sample I clearly hear the new part that Mike drums to in their latest studio vid. But maybe somebody was being creative by pasting it to the end of another track.
Absolutely hyped for the album btw, just ordered the Vinyl and tickets for the upcoming Dutch show!
(and first post here, hello!)
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Well, in that Enigma Machine sample I clearly hear the new part that Mike drums to in their latest studio vid. But maybe somebody was being creative by pasting it to the end of another track.
That part has already been confirmed to be a part of the False Awakening Suite by people who have actually heard the album. The guy making these fakes is clever, but they're fake nonetheless.
Also, note that the takedown was for "spam, scams, and deceptive content" rather than copyright.
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What is so difficult about reading the rules before posting?
we also don't need to jump down noob's throats. he messed up, we told him, the post was edited. wasn't even a real leak
theseoafs is right though, when you sign up you confirm that you agree to follow the rules, so really a noob has no excuses whatsoever.
And as I have said before, can we stop talking about leaks altogether, real or fake? Johncal has already received a temp ban for exactly this, and other bans will follow if it doesn't stop.
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Yes, and I can confirm that yes, in fact, we DO need to jump down n00b's throats.
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Yes, and I can confirm that yes, in fact, we DO need to jump down n00b's throats.
What if the n00b is a girl!? :o
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Well then I'd say that's pretty rude! :lol
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Yes, and I can confirm that yes, in fact, we DO need to jump down n00b's throats.
What if the n00b is a girl!? :o
Then it's a matter of consent, I'd say. :lol
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Yes, and I can confirm that yes, in fact, we DO need to jump down n00b's throats.
What if the n00b is a girl!? :o
Then it's a matter of consent, I'd say. :lol
This whole thing made think of this video; :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxvin3LHYYE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxvin3LHYYE)
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This whole thing made think of this video; :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxvin3LHYYE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxvin3LHYYE)
:rollin
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Do you guys think we'll get another artwork this friday? Or maybe :soon: will get creative and give us something else :) :metal
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i just finihsed re-watching the 4 "In Studio" episodes... i CAN"T WAIT!!!! This album is going to be amazing! RELEASE IT NOW!!!!!!
I just emailed my 14-year-old son so he can watch them, too. The last tour was his first real rock show (took him to Paul McCartney a few years ago, but that really doesn't count), and he is already jazzed up ready for DT to come back through Dallas. I think he's getting excited about the new Fates Warning album, since they're playing here in December, so I'll take him to that one as well. AND, they're playing a small club, so it'll be a much different experience for him. Sure beats the shit out of that dub-shit he likes.
I wish you were my dad.
Adopt me please.
Like I can afford another mouth to feed! But you make it to Dallas and I'll drive ya to the show!
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Do you guys think we'll get another artwork this friday? Or maybe :soon: will get creative and give us something else :) :metal
Nothing like that is scheduled, although with JP and JLB making the press rounds in Europe, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more interviews surface.
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I am thinking that the 5.1 mix that comes with the special edition might include a documentary of the making of the album (hopefully) as Systematic Chaos features a 5.1 mix and a doc.
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Nothing has been discussed or confirmed.
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Nothing has been discussed or confirmed.
As far as I know a 5.1 mix has definitely been confirmed.
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At least some of the listening parties were presented with a 5.1 setup to listen to the 5.1 mix. So it seems like DT has put in a lot more effort into the 5.1 mix this time around. (SC was imo pretty boring).
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Nothing has been discussed or confirmed.
As far as I know a 5.1 mix has definitely been confirmed.
I meant an accompanying Docu has not even been discussed for the 2 disc version.
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" @DreamTheaternet :
Here's a new sample of. . . .
:omg:
. . . . . LMR. !! "
:angry: Don't do that!!!
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" @DreamTheaternet :
Here's a new sample of. . . .
:omg:
. . . . . LMR. !! "
:angry: Don't do that!!!
This :censored. I got so damn excited, and then..
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This is... This is... just... so cruel! >:(
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At least some of the listening parties were presented with a 5.1 setup to listen to the 5.1 mix. So it seems like DT has put in a lot more effort into the 5.1 mix this time around. (SC was imo pretty boring).
SC 5.1 mix was far from stellar, but at least it sounded better than the CD. Lesson learned?
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I am thinking that the 5.1 mix that comes with the special edition might include a documentary of the making of the album (hopefully) as Systematic Chaos features a 5.1 mix and a doc.
Then you are thinking wrong - it comes with a 5.1 mix only.
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Now this could actually be a good sign. I watch the docus once maybe twice, if the result of the 5.1 mix is better than SC, then it would have a lot more value for me. This being the only add on to the deluxe edition could mean that they are really confident it's worth it.
Any info on the audio format of the 5.1 mix? DTS/DD/Both?
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I am thinking that the 5.1 mix that comes with the special edition might include a documentary of the making of the album (hopefully) as Systematic Chaos features a 5.1 mix and a doc.
Then you are thinking wrong - it comes with a 5.1 mix only.
Not to be rude but this hasn't been confirmed.
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Not to be rude but this hasn't been confirmed.
Well, considering that half the people are saying, "I don't want to get the deluxe edition because it doesn't come with a documentary," I think it's safe to say that if it DID come with a documentary, they would've let us know about it a long time ago.
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Not to be rude but this hasn't been confirmed.
Well, considering that half the people are saying, "I don't want to get the deluxe edition because it doesn't come with a documentary," I think it's safe to say that if it DID come with a documentary, they would've let us know about it a long time ago.
I'm just saying. I'm pretty sure when SC was released it wasn't advertised as having a documentary, it was advertised as having a 5.1 mix of the album, that's it.
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I'm just saying. I'm pretty sure when SC was released it wasn't advertised as having a documentary, it was advertised as having a 5.1 mix of the album, that's it.
Well, that would be all kinds of awesome. But I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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Not to be rude but this hasn't been confirmed.
Well, considering that half the people are saying, "I don't want to get the deluxe edition because it doesn't come with a documentary," I think it's safe to say that if it DID come with a documentary, they would've let us know about it a long time ago.
I'm just saying. I'm pretty sure when SC was released it wasn't advertised as having a documentary, it was advertised as having a 5.1 mix of the album, that's it.
I believe bosk actually did confirm with the powers that be that the special edition DVD only contains the 5.1 mix of the album. The boxset comes with a short documentary on the USB stick.
I'd search for the post, but this is one hell of a long thread. You understand. :lol
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^ Ah okay, well either way, here's to hoping! :tup :biggrin:
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Not to be rude but this hasn't been confirmed.
Well, considering that half the people are saying, "I don't want to get the deluxe edition because it doesn't come with a documentary," I think it's safe to say that if it DID come with a documentary, they would've let us know about it a long time ago.
I'm just saying. I'm pretty sure when SC was released it wasn't advertised as having a documentary, it was advertised as having a 5.1 mix of the album, that's it.
I believe bosk actually did confirm with the powers that be that the special edition DVD only contains the 5.1 mix of the album. The boxset comes with a short documentary on the USB stick.
I'd search for the post, but this is one hell of a long thread. You understand. :lol
He did indeed, but not in this thread, in the pre-order thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38425.msg1639303#msg1639303
Okay, here's the deal (which is pretty much what I thought), straight from official sources:
1. The deluxe edition DVD is only a 5.1 mix of the album. So the deluxe consists of a regular mix of the album and a 5.1 mix of the album.
2. The memory stick in the special edition contains two items: The stems and the 30-minute "documentary." The documentary is not separate from the Mangini jam. The Mangini jam is about 20 minutes of the documentary.
Hopefully, that explanation helps you make an informed decision about which version you will be buying. Please do not clog up the thread with complaints about "why did they have to do it that way? Why couldn't they have done X instead?"
So it has indeed been confirmed.
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Well, hopefully once the album is out and fans hear the actual music, they will release some recording footage from the studio on Youtube. I mean, right now, these studio videos are pretty much not revealing any of the new songs for the obvious reason that they want us to hear the songs first. But once the album is out, I don't see the harm in releasing some recording footage, like on Systematic Chaos. "For... For... Forsaken."
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I've never actually listened 5.1. mix CD's so the Deluxe edition is pretty big dissappointment for :< .
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I'm pretty sure when SC was released it wasn't advertised as having a documentary, it was advertised as having a 5.1 mix of the album, that's it.
Yes it was. That's why I bought that edition, as I don't have a 5.1 setup.
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Slow week for new album promotion.
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Latest facebook post says to pre-order ADTOE :huh: :facepalm:
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Latest facebook post says to pre-order ADTOE :huh: :facepalm:
Well, time has moving by so slowly on this release that it seems fairly logical that we're going backwards...
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I see that Randy is lurking around here, maybe he'll give us something. No? Okay..
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You mean Rottin' Randy? Maybe that guy's been digging up some stuff..
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More artwork guys. PIGEONS!
https://instagram.com/dreamtheater2013# (https://instagram.com/dreamtheater2013#)
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I'm sensing a bird theme.
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Wtf? Didn't hef say nothing was scheduled? :O :O :O
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Wtf? Didn't hef say nothing was scheduled? :O :O :O
Yeah, but I meant nothing serious. Artwork was never really part of my schedule, and it doesn't matter all that much anyway.
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Not when Hugh is doing it anyway.... ;D
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Wtf? Didn't hef say nothing was scheduled? :O :O :O
Yeah, but I meant nothing serious. Artwork was never really part of my schedule, and it doesn't matter all that much anyway.
Oh :D
Anyway, very very strange theme. Curious to see the other parts.
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That artwork... https://z0r.de/L/z0r-de_3714.swf
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Looks like Syme took a trip to Piazza San Marco, Venice :justjen
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Wtf? Didn't hef say nothing was scheduled? :O :O :O
We don't know anything about the artwork releases, to be honest. There are some things that we know, but apparently plenty that we don't, which is great as we get to enjoy these nice surprises too!
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dunno if anyone've already posted it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A
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Looks like Syme took a trip to Piazza San Marco, Venice :justjen
Well, he'll have googled it.
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dunno if anyone've already posted it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A
Yeah, I think it's been posted. Pretty good interview.
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I wish we'd get some snippets, instead of booklet artwork, which is secondary.
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dunno if anyone've already posted it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A
Yeah, I think it's been posted. Pretty good interview.
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I wish we'd get some snippets, instead of booklet artwork, which is secondary.
This. :tup
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I think this time I would rather do without snippets. I don't want the actual music to be spoiled in any way (as opposed to mild review spoiling, which I accept)!
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That's acceptable. But it also brings that old story, which I suppose it's not your case: "Hey, I know people want to hear snippets, but I don't want them to be released because I don't have self-control to not listen to them!" :lol
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That's entirely the truth :D But it's a harmless bit of selfishness, cause I have absolutely zero control over whether or not snippets will be put out. :lol
But I also sincerely think snippets are not really a good idea. It's too far in the night for me to elaborate on that point coherently, so I'll probably get back here in the morning and make a follow up post, unless the thread has dramatically progressed by then :D
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That's entirely the truth :D But it's a harmless bit of selfishness, cause I have absolutely zero control over whether or not snippets will be put out. :lol
But I also sincerely think snippets are not really a good idea. It's too far in the night for me to elaborate on that point coherently, so I'll probably get back here in the morning and make a follow up post, unless the thread has dramatically progressed by then :D
Here's an idea that worked for me:
Make a bet with your friends that you won't hear any of those snippets. Money usually motivates us! :tup
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About 36hrs after the release of TEI, I caved. But I only listened to it ONCE. I liked it, but I don't remember anything else. I want to keep it that way.
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Just over a month to Dream Theater is out!! :panicattack: :2metal:
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Just over a month to Dream Theater is out!! :panicattack: :2metal:
(https://i.imgur.com/fbVoJZX.gif)
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dunno if anyone've already posted it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A
Yeah, I think it's been posted. Pretty good interview.
When James answered the song he wanted to play again on tour I got very excited.
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Just over a month to Dream Theater is out!! :panicattack: :2metal:
I'm in Eastern time, so for me... In exactly one month, I'll be listening to the album already. :metal
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Just over a month to Dream Theater is out!! :panicattack: :2metal:
I can't remember when I was this excited about and upcoming album!!!!!!! :rollin :biggrin:
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The last time I was this excited for a Dream Theater album was yesterday. That is, the time before this time.
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dunno if anyone've already posted it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A
So LaBrie would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Blind Faith, Take the Time and Octavarium, huh? :eek
:corn
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dunno if anyone've already posted it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A
So LaBrie would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Blind Faith, Take the Time and Octavarium, huh? :eek
:corn
May the stars align in our favor for this to happen. ;D
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The last time I was this excited for a Dream Theater album was yesterday. That is, the time before this time.
(https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/379/479/301.jpg)
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dunno if anyone've already posted it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A
So LaBrie would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Blind Faith, Take the Time and Octavarium, huh? :eek
:corn
"Take The Time", eh? Only if they do the WHOLE song!!! :tup
-Marc.
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"Take The Time", eh? Only if they do the WHOLE song!!! :tup
-Marc.
Why wouldn't they?
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Last time they played it, they omitted a section of the song (If there's a pensive fear...) for the whole tour.
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Last time they played it, they omitted a section of the song (If there's a pensive fear...) for the whole tour.
Was it a part of a medley? Or did they flow into another song with it? Because I'm pretty sure that would've been a Portnooy thing, since JP said he didn't like the idea of fans listening to a song and not hearing their favorite parts of it.
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Last time they played it, they omitted a section of the song (If there's a pensive fear...) for the whole tour.
Was it a part of a medley? Or did they flow into another song with it? Because I'm pretty sure that would've been a Portnooy thing, since JP said he didn't like the idea of fans listening to a song and not hearing their favorite parts of it.
It was the whole song, minus the verse with the really high vocals.
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No, they just skipped that section, like they did with Voices as well. It was supposedly to save JLB's voice, but I'm sure he's on record somewhere saying that he didn't actually mind. I suspect it was an MP decision, but I can't be certain.
Around the 1:50 mark here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csy_sE7XtKQ
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Well, if he didn't mind, then I'm sure if they were to do it again, he'd fight to keep it.
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So LaBrie would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Blind Faith, Take the Time and Octavarium, huh? :eek
:corn
May the stars align in our favor for this to happen. ;D
This!!!! I remember someone said James doesn't like to sing songs from FII, I'm glad it turned out he does!
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As far as I know he voiced his mild disliking for New Millennium. Not sure about the others, but I think he may feel similarly to most of the fans with regard of which songs are good on FII.
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https://www.prog-sphere.com/interviews/resurfacing-an-interview-with-james-labrie/
I can see a lot of references to this interview. James talks about cutting the difficult sections, as well as New millennium being one of his lesser favorites.
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No, they just skipped that section, like they did with Voices as well. It was supposedly to save JLB's voice, but I'm sure he's on record somewhere saying that he didn't actually mind. I suspect it was an MP decision, but I can't be certain.
Edit: I incorrectly remembered James's statements. In one of the previous interviews posted he mentions cutting the sections from the songs so no need for my faulty recollection.
FYI, I love the pseudo sarcastic Canadian attitude James exhibits when he's annoyed.
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New piece of artwork is online: www.instagram.com/dreamtheater2013
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DT has thing for birds this time around. Not getting the connection to any of the song titles... :justjen :corn
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Im pretty sure it will be a concept album about birds :hat
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:marriageanalogy:
If there wasn't a code for that emoticon already it could've been :conceptalbum: :lol
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Don't you know about the bird?
I don...
Brian no!!!!!!
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As far as I know he voiced his mild disliking for New Millennium. Not sure about the others, but I think he may feel similarly to most of the fans with regard of which songs are good on FII.
You might have seen something that I haven't, but I recall saying that he felt that New Millennium wasn't received well live. This was when he was asked about songs he doesn't like to perform as much as others, and I'm pretty sure he mentioned that he likes to perform all of the songs.
:marriageanalogy:
I don't get it, this emoticon doesn't appear for me. All I see is ":marria" in a little box, with the "a" partially cut off.
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:marriageanalogy:
If there wasn't a code for that emoticon already it could've been :conceptalbum: :lol
Oh yes :lol
I don't get it, this emoticon doesn't appear for me. All I see is ":marria" in a little box, with the "a" partially cut off.
Reload the page maybe?
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As far as I know he voiced his mild disliking for New Millennium. Not sure about the others, but I think he may feel similarly to most of the fans with regard of which songs are good on FII.
You might have seen something that I haven't, but I recall saying that he felt that New Millennium wasn't received well live. This was when he was asked about songs he doesn't like to perform as much as others, and I'm pretty sure he mentioned that he likes to perform all of the songs.
:marriageanalogy:
I don't get it, this emoticon doesn't appear for me. All I see is ":marria" in a little box, with the "a" partially cut off.
I remember JLB saying that he couldn't connect with the lyrics or the melodies at all, in the "resurfacing" interview if I remember correctly.
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Don't you know about the bird?
I don...
Brian no!!!!!!
B-B-B-BIRD BIRD BIRD! BIRD IS THE WORD! B-B-B-BIRD BIRD BIRD IS THE WORD!
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Ok... Been away for a while. I get back and people seem to think I see a concept in the artwork. For the record.... I DON'T. Nor am I wishing this was a concept. It's not. However, with the last three releases from RR, the artwork has had some connection with the songs. For example: on ADTOE, the artwork on which the lyrics to Bridges in the Sky (aka The Shaman's Trance) was a dreamcatcher, commonly associated with native american shamanism. I can fully understand that connection. An example from BC&SL: The Shattered Fortress' lyrics were superimposed over a shattered bottle, indicating that it was part of the AA suite. The artwork that went with the lyrics for Prophets of War was ants carrying a bullet... All I'm saying is that, at this point, I can't connect the artwork to any of the songs on DT12. Should be interesting to see what song goes with which piece of artwork we've seen.
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Ok... Been away for a while. I get back and people seem to think I see a concept in the artwork. For the record.... I DON'T. Nor am I wishing this was a concept. It's not. However, with the last three releases from RR, the artwork has had some connection with the songs. For example: on ADTOE, the artwork on which the lyrics to Bridges in the Sky (aka The Shaman's Trance) was a dreamcatcher, commonly associated with native american shamanism. I can fully understand that connection. An example from BC&SL: The Shattered Fortress' lyrics were superimposed over a shattered bottle, indicating that it was part of the AA suite. The artwork that went with the lyrics for Prophets of War was ants carrying a bullet... All I'm saying is that, at this point, I can't connect the artwork to any of the songs on DT12. Should be interesting to see what song goes with which piece of artwork we've seen.
Seems to me that the drive-in theater screen has something to do with The Bigger Picture.
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Syme has done that before with the picture for a song in the booklet for Rush. It makes sense.
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Insert bad post by me here.
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https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=26981.0
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Fake. Im pretty sure that someone here that heard the album said that the drum banging part from the 4th video is on the first song not EM.
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Don't know if this has already been posted, but there are some snippets out for some of the songs. Apparently they come from the studio. Does anyone know if these are at all trustworthy? Seems weird that Dream Theater themselves haven't mentioned them on facebook or twitter as they normally do with releases like these.
SNIP
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Yeah, I would get rid of those links immediately. I can also confirm that they are 100% fake.
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Don't know if this has already been posted, but there are some snippets out for some of the songs. Apparently they come from the studio. Does anyone know if these are at all trustworthy? Seems weird that Dream Theater themselves haven't mentioned them on facebook or twitter as they normally do with releases like these.
SNIP
Please read the rules, and in particular the thread that ? linked to below yours. In this case, those have already been confirmed as fake, but regardless, any discussion of leaked material, whether it's real or not, is against the rules. This is your only warning on the matter.
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You should add a rule stating explicitely that those two snippets are fake, so don't even bother taking a warning for that shizz. :lol
It's the fourth time those two pop up, right? :D
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HERD A NU DREAM THATRE SONG !!!! :metal :metal ITS GUD...JAMES IS SINGING ABOUT JEKYL N HIDE... ITS REOCKIN....
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Don't know if this has already been posted, but there are some snippets out for some of the songs. Apparently they come from the studio. Does anyone know if these are at all trustworthy? Seems weird that Dream Theater themselves haven't mentioned them on facebook or twitter as they normally do with releases like these.
SNIP
Please read the rules, and in particular the thread that ? linked to below yours. In this case, those have already been confirmed as fake, but regardless, any discussion of leaked material, whether it's real or not, is against the rules. This is your only warning on the matter.
I apologize.
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More birds:
https://instagram.com/dtimages
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HERD A NU DREAM THATRE SONG !!!! :metal :metal ITS GUD...JAMES IS SINGING ABOUT JEKYL N HIDE... ITS REOCKIN....
RAAAAWK
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Completed pigeon picture. =)
(https://i.imgur.com/VPSbvFS.jpg)
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And just to the right is the Drive In Theatre with the giant ass car
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Completed pigeon picture. =)
(https://i.imgur.com/VPSbvFS.jpg)
My favorite, this one is pretty cool comparing to the last ones. Illumination Theory, perhaps?
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That one pigeon in the top right section - the colours look really off ???
If it is for illumination theory - maybe that one pigeon is being lit up by the old woman with the majestic bag.
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I wonder what that glow around her head is about. Or is it a lens flare?
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I think it's a Catholic style halo. Like this: (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FOIrYyQawGI/SH46z52uXhI/AAAAAAAAAwE/UR7iPH8TWHc/s400/Mary3.jpg)
So probably for Illumination Theory.
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The big pigeon in the lower left section looks like it's been sucked out of existence by a conveniently placed black hole :D
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When I googled "Clip art for Dream Theater brand bird feed" that image was the first to come up. Hugh Syme is lazy as hell and this is a disgrace! :facepalm:
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When I googled "Clip art for Dream Theater brand bird feed" that image was the first to come up. Hugh Syme is lazy as hell and this is a disgrace! :facepalm:
Where? I can't find it.
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When I googled "Clip art for Dream Theater brand bird feed" that image was the first to come up. Hugh Syme is lazy as hell and this is a disgrace! :facepalm:
Where? I can't find it.
My imagination.
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When I googled "Clip art for Dream Theater brand bird feed" that image was the first to come up. Hugh Syme is lazy as hell and this is a disgrace! :facepalm:
That's a pretty weird search string :lol
And I agree with Kotowboy, the bird in the top right doesn't fit color wise.
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Which one? ???
There are two types of pigeon in that photo, both of which appear multiple times.
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Now we are complaining that the pigeons colors are off?!
You are are racist to pigeons because they all should have the same colors. :lol
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Rich, I bet you mods can wait for this one month to pass.
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Unless they're purple. To hell with purple pigeons!
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Completed pigeon picture. =)
(https://i.imgur.com/VPSbvFS.jpg)
What are you guys doing to get all the pieces to blend together seamlessly? Seriously, just photoshop?
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Unless they're purple. To hell with purple pigeons!
Them grape bastards!!! :lol
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Completed pigeon picture. =)
*snip*
What are you guys doing to get all the pieces to blend together seamlessly? Seriously, just photoshop?
Nope, not even that. I used Paint. ;)
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Completed pigeon picture. =)
*snip*
What are you guys doing to get all the pieces to blend together seamlessly? Seriously, just photoshop?
Nope, not even that. I used Paint. ;)
Huh, really? I was using that too but my results were not as good. Nice job!
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I don't know about anyone else, but this time around I'm glad we're getting artwork snippets that can be coalesced into full pictures instead of song snippets (unless those are coming in early September?) I really want to listen to this album unspoiled, as it were. I have an idea of the sound of the album with TEI... That's all I need until the album comes out. I know if audio snippets are released I won't be able to resist.
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The website said this album has a 28 page booklet, which is pretty thick. With 9 tracks, and only 7 that need lyrics printed, there might be pages of just artwork :tup
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The website said this album has a 28 page booklet, which is pretty thick. With 9 tracks, and only 7 that need lyrics printed, there might be pages of just artwork :tup
Well, maybe 8, if they need a 2 page spread for IT lyrics. It is a longer song, after all.
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As there are several DT fans who bitch about everything, we're probably get some OMG WHY DO THEY SHOW POVERTY PORNOY WOULDN'T LET THAT HAPPEN DURM GOD.
That's one cool piece of art, though. Nevertheless, I think I've seen hundreds of cooler DT fan arts on the internet and although it's very unlikely, I'd love the idea of this being the last Hugh Syme Dream Theater album.
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While I enjoy Hugh Syme's art, it is true that I've seen some really awesome, really impressive stuff from DT fans. I think for their next album, it would be really cool if DT held a competition for graphic artists to design their album art, including the cover and the booklet, based on the song titles alone. And then they can choose winners and have that be the booklet art. And that way, they can have multiple winners too, if someone designs the best cover, they use that cover. If someone designs the best or most suitable art for a given song, they'll choose that. And maybe hand out some kind of award to the winners.
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Woman using a Veil, so obviously is the artwork for "Behind the Veil". :P
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Wow. Great image. This one really impressed me. :metal
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While I enjoy Hugh Syme's art, it is true that I've seen some really awesome, really impressive stuff from DT fans. I think for their next album, it would be really cool if DT held a competition for graphic artists to design their album art, including the cover and the booklet, based on the song titles alone. And then they can choose winners and have that be the booklet art. And that way, they can have multiple winners too, if someone designs the best cover, they use that cover. If someone designs the best or most suitable art for a given song, they'll choose that. And maybe hand out some kind of award to the winners.
I think the words to best describe that idea are "Pandoras Box"
Can you imagine the legalities of that and having to verify that they didn't use any copywritten imagery on top of the typical fan bitching that happens.
You are right though that there has been some cool stuff and it would be cool if it worked out like you described
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When I Googled that quote I got nothing that shows the image we're talking about.
When I googled "Clip art for Dream Theater brand bird feed" that image was the first to come up. Hugh Syme is lazy as hell and this is a disgrace! :facepalm:
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dunno if anyone've already posted it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A
So LaBrie would like to play Trial of Tears, Scarred, Blind Faith, Take the Time and Octavarium, huh? :eek
:corn
Those are like all in my top 10, besides Blind Faith.
I say we let LaBrie choose the sets from here on out!
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When I Googled that quote I got nothing that shows the image we're talking about.
When I googled "Clip art for Dream Theater brand bird feed" that image was the first to come up. Hugh Syme is lazy as hell and this is a disgrace! :facepalm:
Are people really not getting the joke here? I guess it's better to use sarcasm green even for the obvious stuff.
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Honestly, DT needs to get better art-work than this. I feel like they could have gotten a very talented student at a prestigious art school to design something far better than an old gypsy woman feeding pigeons and a picture of a kid playing in the sand at the Jersey Shore with an empty billboard in the background.
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dunno if anyone've already posted it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A
Yeah, I think it's been posted. Pretty good interview.
It sounds like he's insinuating that DT is trying to move back to where they started and be a little bit more sonically diverse and more progressive. I'd love it if they did that.
ADTOE moves in that direction, but not very much. I'd say it's only 25% of the way there. I don't think it's really a ton different from SC and BCSL. ADTOE was still too heavy for me. Their release of The Enemy Inside, though, suggests more of the same sound, so I'm not sure what will actually happen. I'd like to hear a sound more reminiscent of the last 3 tracks of Awake. I might be in the minority here on that one, though.
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dunno if anyone've already posted it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A
Yeah, I think it's been posted. Pretty good interview.
It sounds like he's insinuating that DT is trying to move back to where they started and be a little bit more sonically diverse and more progressive. I'd love it if they did that.
ADTOE moves in that direction, but not very much. I'd say it's only 25% of the way there. I don't think it's really a ton different from SC and BCSL. ADTOE was still too heavy for me. Their release of The Enemy Inside, though, suggests more of the same sound, so I'm not sure what will actually happen. I'd like to hear a sound more reminiscent of the last 3 tracks of Awake. I might be in the minority here on that one, though.
You honestly don't think ADToE is that different from SC or BCSL? SC in particular sounds NOTHING, zero, zilch, nada like ADToE. And I fail to see how TEI bears any resemblance to any song on ADToE except BMU....at all.
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I think the words to best describe that idea are "Pandoras Box"
Can you imagine the legalities of that and having to verify that they didn't use any copywritten imagery on top of the typical fan bitching that happens.
You are right though that there has been some cool stuff and it would be cool if it worked out like you described
Well, maybe the details need to be thought out a little more, my point is there are a lot of talented artists on the net, and I think fans would appreciate the idea that DT is getting them involved in the actual album. I think something like that would be a great move for publicity.
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You honestly don't think ADToE is that different from SC or BCSL? SC in particular sounds NOTHING, zero, zilch, nada like ADToE. And I fail to see how TEI bears any resemblance to any song on ADToE except BMU....at all.
I said it's different, but not that different.
TEI is still a "balls to the wall," mostly palm-muted guitar driven kind of sound. I think it's a really well-put together kind of song, and I don't mind when DT does this. I think TOT was a very good album. I'd just like to see more sonic diversity, like on Awake.
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ADTOE was still too heavy for me.
There are many ways I could describe ADTOE, but "heavy" is not one of them (with the exception of BITS) ???
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ADTOE = Heavy ??
No way!!
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There are many ways I could describe ADTOE, but "heavy" is not one of them (with the exception of BITS) ???
BMUBMD was pretty heavy too.
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There are many ways I could describe ADTOE, but "heavy" is not one of them (with the exception of BITS) ???
BMUBMD was pretty heavy too.
Yeah but those two songs are about it.
Then again, lots of people call BC&SL "heavy", which I also don't understand. As far as I'm concerned it's only TSF and most of ANTR that are heavy. It probably depends on what other music you listen to though.
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Clearly. The only two DT albums I would call heavy are TOT and the two songs you mentioned off BCSL. As for the other albums, two occasionally heavy songs don't make an album heavy by itself (TGP for SDOIT, BITS for ADTOE).
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Yeah but those two songs are about it.
Then again, lots of people call BC&SL "heavy", which I also don't understand. As far as I'm concerned it's only TSF and most of ANTR that are heavy. It probably depends on what other music you listen to though.
Well, maybe they're mainly referring to what extremes those particular albums go. Although if that's the case, then Awake, SDOIT and 8VM should be considered heavy too.
Clearly. The only two DT albums I would call heavy are TOT and the two songs you mentioned off BCSL. As for the other albums, two occasionally heavy songs don't make an album heavy by itself (TGP for SDOIT, BITS for ADTOE).
I'd say that Systematic Chaos is all around pretty heavy.
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I'm not so sure. Mostly because I haven't listened to a song off that album in almost a year (the last being Prophets Of War). But even then, TDEN isn't that heavy, and neither is ITPOE2, if I remember correctly :lol
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I'm not so sure. Mostly because I haven't listened to a song off that album in almost a year (the last being Prophets Of War). But even then, TDEN isn't that heavy, and neither is ITPOE2, if I remember correctly :lol
You're not remembering correctly. :biggrin:
TDEN is probably DT's heaviest song, and the whole album has a heavier edge. I'd say it's easily DT's second heaviest album, behind TOT.
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I'm not so sure. Mostly because I haven't listened to a song off that album in almost a year (the last being Prophets Of War). But even then, TDEN isn't that heavy, and neither is ITPOE2, if I remember correctly :lol
I'd say TDEN is every bit as heavy as ANTR, if not heavier (what with lacking a soft section). ITPOE2 starts out more quietly, but it does build into an awesome metal epic. At the very least ITPOE2 is every bit as heavy as anything Iron Maiden may have ever done. It may not be thrashed out, but it's definitely on the Metal side of things.
EDIT: Best solution to this: Listen to this awesome album again.
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I'm not so sure. Mostly because I haven't listened to a song off that album in almost a year (the last being Prophets Of War). But even then, TDEN isn't that heavy, and neither is ITPOE2, if I remember correctly :lol
You're not remembering correctly. :biggrin:
TDEN is probably DT's heaviest song, and the whole album has a heavier edge. I'd say it's easily DT's second heaviest album, behind TOT.
Probably second overall yeah, but it's still not that heavy really. ITPOE has some heavy bits in but then DT have always done songs with heavy bits in, Forsaken is not heavy, POW is not heavy, Repentance is not heavy, TMOLS is not heavy. Basically it's just CM and TDEN and some bits of ITPOE.
EDIT: TGP, out of interest, do you think of Iron Maiden as heavy?
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dunno if anyone've already posted it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vS5vUJ8X_A
Yeah, I think it's been posted. Pretty good interview.
It sounds like he's insinuating that DT is trying to move back to where they started and be a little bit more sonically diverse and more progressive. I'd love it if they did that.
ADTOE moves in that direction, but not very much. I'd say it's only 25% of the way there. I don't think it's really a ton different from SC and BCSL. ADTOE was still too heavy for me. Their release of The Enemy Inside, though, suggests more of the same sound, so I'm not sure what will actually happen. I'd like to hear a sound more reminiscent of the last 3 tracks of Awake. I might be in the minority here on that one, though.
Diversity includes heaviness. If they're saying it's diverse, they're saying the rest of the album will be different to The Enemy Inside, not the same.
'Sides which, I'm not sure how similar TEI is to anything the band's previously released, anyway. I've never known them to be quite so psychotically progressive and blisteringly heavy both at the same time. They're usually touted - bafflingly - as antitheses. "Oh, I like their metal side," "I prefer their progressive side." It's not either-or, and this is as clearly as they've ever fused them. Which has the brilliant side-effect of making it more concise and tautly written than any single they've released since... any single they've released! Even Constant Motion slowed down for a bit to switch gears - high octane song, sure, but a little sprawling. TEI, though, is a caffeine hit of every dominant facet of the band's identity, compressed into the size of a shot glass. Never loses pace for a second. Not another DT song quite like it, I'd contend.
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The Enemy Inside is really well constructed I think. I'm always surprised when it ends and it's over 6 minutes long.
Black Clouds era Dream Theater might have put another instrumental section on the end of the song and one more chorus or two just to
push it over 8 minutes - for the sake of it.
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I was very surprised to see how much they were able to pack into such a "short" song.
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I was very surprised to see how much they were able to pack into such a "short" song.
I think that this will be said for many of the songs on the album once people get to hear it and digest it.
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The Enemy Inside is really well constructed I think. I'm always surprised when it ends and it's over 6 minutes long.
Black Clouds era Dream Theater might have put another instrumental section on the end of the song and one more chorus or two just to
push it over 8 minutes - for the sake of it.
I think the instrumental section would have looked a lot different if Black Clouds DT were writing it. I really like TEI's instrumental section for being progressive and interesting without sacrificing the momentum of the song or going on for too long. If this were a Black Clouds song, it probably would have been an "....and now for something completely different" instrumental interlude a la AROP.
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AROP never really strayed off the path for me, for me, as much as I love ANtR, the last 5 or so minutes were really not needed.
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I wonder if they were trying to make BC&SL 6 songs on purpose - because there'a so much material on that album that's all shoved into one song that they could have easily split up into their own songs.
The Beautiful Agony section of Nightmare to Remember for instance.
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I wonder if they were trying to make BC&SL 6 songs on purpose - because there'a so much material on that album that's all shoved into one song that they could have easily split up into their own songs.
The Beautiful Agony section of Nightmare to Remember for instance.
That section's probably my favorite out of that song :lol
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The Beautiful Agony section of ANTR is easily the best part of that song for me.
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AROP never really strayed off the path for me
Eh, the instrumental section and the "main" bulk of the song are in completely different tempos and the transitions between them are IMO pretty jarring. Of course that's not inherently a bad thing but it certainly doesn't do the song any favors.
Also, this conversation made me listen to AROP for the first time in years. I forgot how most of the song went. :lol
I wonder if they were trying to make BC&SL 6 songs on purpose - because there'a so much material on that album that's all shoved into one song that they could have easily split up into their own songs.
The Beautiful Agony section of Nightmare to Remember for instance.
The Beautiful Agony section could have been its own song but from a lyrical standpoint I think it makes perfect sense that that section is there. Of course, all bets are off after that section is over.
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Every time I listen to ANTR - I *always* go - fucking hell man ! is this song STILL going ? :angry:
It really doesn't need to be 16 mins.
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Anyway, if the rest of the album is as structurally sensible as TEI (as opposed to structurally insensible like ANTR), then I'll be a very happy camper. And the song lengths and the interviews the band's done seem to indicate that they've been focusing a lot on the songs this time around (rather than throwing a bunch of music together to make epics), which is also a very good thing.
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The Beautiful Agony section of ANTR is easily the best part of that song for me.
For me it works best as part of the song rather than as a standalone song in it's own right. It fits and it works as it is and contrasts well with he rest of the song. It loses impact as just a ballad- just listen to the reworkings of that section on Youtube.
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The Beautiful Agony section of ANTR is easily the best part of that song for me.
For me it works best as part of the song rather than as a standalone song in it's own right. It fits and it works as it is and contrasts well with he rest of the song. It loses impact as just a ballad- just listen to the reworkings of that section on Youtube.
Like hell it does! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6E5kDU5cQQ) I'd also question the word "ballad."
So, so, so much better than the album version. I'm sure there's a brilliant edit of A Bullet from the Night waiting to be made, somewhere, too. A Nightmare to Remember, as it appears on the album, is like if they never split Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul.
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For me it works best as part of the song rather than as a standalone song in it's own right. It fits and it works as it is and contrasts well with he rest of the song. It loses impact as just a ballad- just listen to the reworkings of that section on Youtube.
I'm not the biggest fan of the entire song, so I find that section to be a breath of fresh air for me. Once it's over I feel very little urge to continue listening.
I just looked up people's takes on this section and actually I find it's not bad. It does lose a bit of it's impact without the beginning of the song, true, but I still find it enjoyable.
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EDIT: TGP, out of interest, do you think of Iron Maiden as heavy?
Well, in the grand scheme of Metal, I wouldn't say they're particularly heavy, but they're definitely Metal. I actually think that on the Final Frontier tour, MP chose a pretty bad setlist, because his logic was, "Maiden is Metal, so we should play some of our more metal songs to appeal to them and maybe win over some more fans," but some of the songs that DT played that tour were too heavy and too thrashy compared to Iron Maiden. If he wanted to play songs that would have appealed to Maiden fans, he should've replaced Panic Attack with ITPOE Pt. 1, and Constant Motion with... CIAW or something.
But anyway, the point is, no, I don't think Maiden is that heavy, so I guess instead of saying SC is pretty heavy overall, I should've said, it's pretty Metal, overall. Either way, all I meant was that it's the kind of album that would appeal to the Metal crowd, unlike, say, 8V or SDOIT, where there is a combination of metal songs and softer rock songs.
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For me it works best as part of the song rather than as a standalone song in it's own right. It fits and it works as it is and contrasts well with he rest of the song. It loses impact as just a ballad- just listen to the reworkings of that section on Youtube.
I'm not the biggest fan of the entire song, so I find that section to be a breath of fresh air for me. Once it's over I feel very little urge to continue listening.
I just looked up people's takes on this section and actually I find it's not bad. It does lose a bit of it's impact without the beginning of the song, true, but I still find it enjoyable.
To me, beautiful music is beautiful music, regardless what came before it.
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I don't think Maiden is that heavy, so I guess instead of saying SC is pretty heavy overall, I should've said, it's pretty Metal, overall. Either way, all I meant was that it's the kind of album that would appeal to the Metal crowd, unlike, say, 8V or SDOIT, where there is a combination of metal songs and softer rock songs.
I agree with you.
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Every time I listen to ANTR - I *always* go - fucking hell man ! is this song STILL going ? :angry:
It really doesn't need to be 16 mins.
That's because the OUTRO of the song is like, 5 minutes long. I'm pretty sure it's possible to go through the first section, beautiful agony, and "Day after Day" part in 11 minutes, and then conclude it without having to repeat their previous ideas for 5 minutes. But as it is, I enjoy it regardless, when I'm in the mood for it.
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It's definitely the outro that's too long. WAY too long.
But I don't like "Day after day" either.
Basically, if everything after the "Beautiful Agony" section was a lot shorter, I would like it a lot more.
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A Nightmare to Remember, as it appears on the album, is like if they never split Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul.
Maybe, but TMOLS is a more extreme example and the most poorly structured DT song ever IMO.
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I think Black Clouds was everything that was wrong with Dream Theater at that period in one album.
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Every time I listen to ANTR - I *always* go - fucking hell man ! is this song STILL going ? :angry:
It really doesn't need to be 16 mins.
that's why I love cutting most of recent DT songs...I really appreciate that change of songwriting approach in the last record
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A Nightmare to Remember, as it appears on the album, is like if they never split Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul.
Maybe, but TMOLS is a more extreme example and the most poorly structured DT song ever IMO.
Am I the only person who likes TMOLS including the wonky instrumental section in the middle?
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No, definitely, there are a lot of people here who agree with you. I'm not one of them. ::)
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A Nightmare to Remember, as it appears on the album, is like if they never split Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul.
Maybe, but TMOLS is a more extreme example and the most poorly structured DT song ever IMO.
Am I the only person who likes TMOLS including the wonky instrumental section in the middle?
No. There's nothing wrong with that instrumental.
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Am I the only person who likes TMOLS including the wonky instrumental section in the middle?
Definitely not. I love that section. And quite honestly, I think it transitions just fine in and out of that section.
Personally, I like that kind of a song structure. It's erratic, but if it's intentional, then there's nothing wrong with it. Frankly, I think it would've been better if they kept Burning My Soul and Hell's Kitchen one single entity. As it is, it's two fairly average songs, but together, they made a unique mini-epic.
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Huh, I would have sworn I'd heard a lot of hate for it. Still, I'm not gonna complain. I think it's a fun song. :biggrin:
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Am I the only person who likes TMOLS including the wonky instrumental section in the middle?
Definitely not. I love that section. And quite honestly, I think it transitions just fine in and out of that section.
Personally, I like that kind of a song structure. It's erratic, but if it's intentional, then there's nothing wrong with it. Frankly, I think it would've been better if they kept Burning My Soul and Hell's Kitchen one single entity. As it is, it's two fairly average songs, but together, they made a unique mini-epic.
:omg:
"Hell's Kitchen" and "average song" should never be used in the same context.
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ADTOE was still too heavy for me.
There are many ways I could describe ADTOE, but "heavy" is not one of them (with the exception of BITS) ???
See, I would consider OTBOA heavy. It's not their heaviest song, but it's got its share of E-string plam muting and double bass, and it's mostly a song driven by distorted guitar. It has its share of cool, progressive parts, but overall, it's on the heavier side. I think it's a good song, though.
BMUBMD I would also consider on the heavier side of DT. I like its slower tempo, though, and I do think it's a great song, but it's on the heavier side. It also uses the 7-string guitar, which gives it an extra heavy sound.
And despite starting out quiet, LNF gets heavy pretty fast. There's some parts of that song that, if you took out the vocals, you'd think it was Pantera. The jam session is pretty awesome though. Not their heaviest song, but it's still on the heavier side, I think.
Bridges in the Sky and Outcry are also pretty heavy.
I don't have a problem with their heavy stuff per se--after all, it was Lie that got me into the band. I got a 7-string Ibanez 15 years ago because of that song and Caught in a Web. But there's no non-ballad song on this album that doesn't still rely heavily on palm-muted guitar and double bass. That's common for DT ever after Falling Into Infinity. But listen to Trial of Tears, Lifting Shadows, Surrounded, SDV, LTL, and most of Scarred...you can go almost the entire song without hearing a palm-muted E-string.
Maybe it's just a matter of perspective. My second favorite band is Yes, and my favorite DT albums are I&W and Awake. This album still seems heavy to me.
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It's still their best work in a while, but I'd just prefer even less heaviness.
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:omg:
"Hell's Kitchen" and "average song" should never be used in the same context.
Well, that's just, like, my opinion, man! I stand by it though. Maybe even a little bit below average. HK is definitely in the bottom 50 for me. :hat
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track lenghts officially confirmed: https://www.warnermusic.ch/catalogue_detail-n29-i16861760427-sF.html
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But there's no non-ballad song on this album that doesn't still rely heavily on palm-muted guitar and double bass.
Breaking All Illusions?
Anyway, DT are a progressive metal band, so there will always be some heavier stuff on their albums. Of course everyone can't be satisfied - I think ADTOE has the perfect balance between prog and metal, but you think it could've been less heavy and some fans probably thought it wasn't heavy enough. However, DT have changed over the years, due to line-up changes, new influences, etc. and their music is more modern-sounding now, which may make the heavier elements seem stronger than on the early records.
re: BMS and Hell's Kitchen - the former is ok and the latter is the second best instrumental DT have released IMO :hat The demo version was a mess and I'm glad the songs were separated, because they work better on their own.
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track lenghts officially confirmed: https://www.warnermusic.ch/catalogue_detail-n29-i16861760427-sF.html
Uh...9/20/13 ???
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track lenghts officially confirmed: https://www.warnermusic.ch/catalogue_detail-n29-i16861760427-sF.html
Wow...really short. That's gotta be the shortest average song length so far, even despite Illumination Theory. This album will be interesting.
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track lenghts officially confirmed: https://www.warnermusic.ch/catalogue_detail-n29-i16861760427-sF.html
Uh...9/20/13 ???
German release date.
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track lenghts officially confirmed: https://www.warnermusic.ch/catalogue_detail-n29-i16861760427-sF.html
Uh...9/20/13 ???
(Some) Europeans will get the album earlier :biggrin:
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Breaking All Illusions?
Anyway, DT are a progressive metal band, so there will always be some heavier stuff on their albums. Of course everyone can't be satisfied - I think ADTOE has the perfect balance between prog and metal, but you think it could've been less heavy and some fans probably thought it wasn't heavy enough. However, DT have changed over the years, due to line-up changes, new influences, etc. and their music is more modern-sounding now, which may make the heavier elements seem stronger than on the early records.
Breaking All Illusions is kind of a ballad, if you ask me. They have some ballads, lately, but what I'm missing is the "in between" area. The non-ballad, uptempo songs that are still mostly the full band playing a progressive epic, but aren't totally driven by palm-muted guitar. I like there to be some heavy stuff, but some in-between stuff as well.
I know they can't satisfy everyone, but all I ask for is one or two songs off an album to sound like this. PMUPMD and BITS are probably two of their best heavy songs in the last 10 years or so, but I wish I could hear a bit more diversity within the album.
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Huh, I would have sworn I'd heard a lot of hate for it. Still, I'm not gonna complain. I think it's a fun song. :biggrin:
Seems to be more of a polarizing song than I thought - I've seen quite a few people sticking up for it recently, which is great because I've always loved it too ;D
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Breaking All Illusions is kind of a ballad, if you ask me.
It's definitely not. It's a shorter epic, like Trial of Tears or Learning To Live. But definitely far from a ballad.
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Breaking All Illusions is kind of a ballad, if you ask me.
It's definitely not. It's a shorter epic, like Trial of Tears or Learning To Live. But definitely far from a ballad.
Sorry, you are right...I was confusing it with This is the Life.
Breaking All Illusions is probably the closest to what I'm looking for. More of that. I don't really like the song in particular, but style-wise, I just want to hear more of that type of song.
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A Nightmare to Remember, as it appears on the album, is like if they never split Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul.
Maybe, but TMOLS is a more extreme example and the most poorly structured DT song ever IMO.
Am I the only person who likes TMOLS including the wonky instrumental section in the middle?
You are not alone, I love TMOLS too.
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A Nightmare to Remember, as it appears on the album, is like if they never split Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul.
Maybe, but TMOLS is a more extreme example and the most poorly structured DT song ever IMO.
You think the mid-section would stand on its own?
Cos I didn't mean the Hell's Kitchen thing as a lengthy shorthand for "It's got a funny bit in the middle," I meant it in the sense that it is one song that I think would be much better off split into two distinct tracks. Hell's Kitchen got its dues and is, in my opinion, now a much stronger piece than it was when written as the middle bit of Burning My Soul, but I think they missed a very nifty trick in not doing the same thing with Beautiful Agony.
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track lenghts officially confirmed: https://www.warnermusic.ch/catalogue_detail-n29-i16861760427-sF.html
68 mins? Feels a little short. Usually DT albums are 75+mins.
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I'm in the camp that thinks Burning my Soul and Hell's Kitchen should have never been separated. That would give that album 3 mini-epics: BMS, LITS, and TOT.
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track lenghts officially confirmed: https://www.warnermusic.ch/catalogue_detail-n29-i16861760427-sF.html
68 mins? Feels a little short. Usually DT albums are 75+mins.
The total length means very little to me. It's about the quality of the music. Besides, 68 minutes is still a lot longer than a lot of albums released these days.
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All the track lengths have been known around DTF for at least two weeks (since the first listening party I think)
How is this new? :huh:
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track lenghts officially confirmed: https://www.warnermusic.ch/catalogue_detail-n29-i16861760427-sF.html
68 mins? Feels a little short. Usually DT albums are 75+mins.
The total length means very little to me. It's about the quality of the music. Besides, 68 minutes is still a lot longer than a lot of albums released these days.
Slayer's Reign in Blood is a claasic with it's 28 minutes.... :metal
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Besides, 68 minutes is still a lot longer than a lot of albums released these days.
lol, Queensryche.
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I'm in the camp that thinks Burning my Soul and Hell's Kitchen should have never been separated. That would give that album 3 mini-epics: BMS, LITS, and TOT.
This. But at the same time I really love Hell's Kitchen, so the ideal for me would have been them releasing the standalone instrumental in some other way, like a B-Side of one of the singles.
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This. But at the same time I really love Hell's Kitchen, so the ideal for me would have been them releasing the standalone instrumental in some other way, like a B-Side of one of the singles.
Greatest Hit would have been a great platform for it.
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True! The song enjoys a pretty big pool of dedicated fans (myself among them), but unfortunately has been relatively unknown to the wider audience because of the absolute lack of stage time. It was played far more often as part of BMS (a couple of dozens times) then by itself (4 or 5, don't remember).
/ot
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I do enjoy those live versions of it. Burning My Kitchen, essentially. :lol
But Hell's Kitchen on its own, I enjoy more in its Symphonic iteration from STOD album, than the band version.
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I do enjoy those live versions of it. Burning My Kitchen, essentially. :lol
But Hell's Kitchen on its own, I enjoy more in its Symphonic iteration from STOD album, than the band version.
That's how I've always called it too :omg:
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I'm so glad Hell's Kitchen got separated from Burning My Soul because I hate BMS, being it probably my least favourite DT song overall, and it would have sounded like a gem hidden inside a mediocre song to me.
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I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh wait, I was confusing it with a different song."
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I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh wait, I was confusing it with a different song."
Meh. I confuse song titles on occasion.
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Are we still going on about the album "only" being 70 mins ?
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Are we still going on about the album "only" being 70 mins ?
Yes! Give us 10 minutes of filler, or give us death! :lol
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I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh wait, I was confusing it with a different song."
Meh. I confuse song titles on occasion.
I still confuse Take the Time and Leaning to Live (not the songs, the titles) after having listened to them for 15 years, with I&W probably being my most listened album by any artist of all time. I also confuse Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears.
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Are we still going on about the album "only" being 70 mins ?
No, we're going on about it NOT EVEN being 70 mins! :'(
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Jeeze. I'd rather have 60 solid minutes of the best DT can come up with instead of 78 mins of Black Clouds & Silver Linings part 2
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I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh wait, I was confusing it with a different song."
Meh. I confuse song titles on occasion.
I still confuse Take the Time and Leaning to Live (not the songs, the titles) after having listened to them for 15 years, with I&W probably being my most listened album by any artist of all time. I also confuse Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears.
Cool dude. I sometimes confuse Slayer with the Backstreet Boys.
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Cool dude. I sometimes confuse Slayer with the Backstreet Boys.
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I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh wait, I was confusing it with a different song."
Meh. I confuse song titles on occasion.
I still confuse Take the Time and Leaning to Live (not the songs, the titles) after having listened to them for 15 years, with I&W probably being my most listened album by any artist of all time. I also confuse Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears.
Cool dude. I sometimes confuse Slayer with the Backstreet Boys.
They're both similar in quality. :neverusethis:
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I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh wait, I was confusing it with a different song."
Meh. I confuse song titles on occasion.
I still confuse Take the Time and Leaning to Live (not the songs, the titles) after having listened to them for 15 years, with I&W probably being my most listened album by any artist of all time. I also confuse Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears.
Cool dude. I sometimes confuse Slayer with the Backstreet Boys.
They're both similar in quality. :neverusethis:
:lol
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;D Neither of them have drummers called Dave. ;D
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:omg:
"Hell's Kitchen" and "average song" should never be used in the same context.
Well, that's just, like, my opinion, man! I stand by it though. Maybe even a little bit below average. HK is definitely in the bottom 50 for me. :hat
"Now wait a (f*&#@ing) minute man!"
(https://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/files/2012/04/gordon-ramsay-hothead-300.jpg)
Just kidding, I also think that Hell's Kitchen is not that great (although the outro sounds epic as fuark in the context of something like Instrumedley).
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I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh wait, I was confusing it with a different song."
Meh. I confuse song titles on occasion.
I still confuse Take the Time and Leaning to Live (not the songs, the titles) after having listened to them for 15 years, with I&W probably being my most listened album by any artist of all time. I also confuse Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears.
Wow, I sometimes do the same exact thing with the exact same songs.
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Jeeze. I'd rather have 60 solid minutes of the best DT can come up with instead of 78 mins of Black Clouds & Silver Linings part 2
Amen
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Jeeze. I'd rather have 60 solid minutes of the best DT can come up with instead of 78 mins of Black Clouds & Silver Linings part 2
Amen
I love BC&SL :-X
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In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?
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In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?
Apparently the same universe where one of DT's most highly regarded albums, IaW, is only 57 minutes long.
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And in the same universe where we discuss what a centerpiece means :lol
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Apparently the same universe where one of DT's most highly regarded albums, IaW, is only 57 minutes long.
That's 57 minutes of progressive awesomeness. ;D
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In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?
I must quote that. :hat
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Jeeze. I'd rather have 60 solid minutes of the best DT can come up with instead of 78 mins of Systematic Chaos part 2
FTFY
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In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?
The same universe that considers a 6-minute song, a short song.
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Jeeze. I'd rather have 60 solid minutes of the best DT can come up with instead of 78 mins of Systematic Chaos part 2
FTFY
No.
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Would you rather have a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?
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Quality over quantity.
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Yes. Quality>>>>>>>>>>Quantity
I couldn't give a damn how short DT's album could be, as long as it's got some killer stuff.
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Quality over quantity.
This would have been cool;
Octavarium (2005) 75:44
In The Presence Of Enemies -EP (2007) 25:38
Black Clouds & Silver Linings (2009) 75:25
:P
But Yeah, there are lots of people who like those other Systematic Chaos songs too.
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Only if the lyrics were rewritten to not be a priest comic adaptation...
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Who cares if they're an adaptation, they sound cool, and make for interesting imagery. It certainly beats the lyrics on TCOT or ANTR.
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Jeez, one person makes a comment about the length of the album and loads of people jump in to have a go at everybody complaining that the album is too short.
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Would you rather have a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?
This really depends on how hungry I am at the moment.
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I don't know about you, but IT being 22 min long makes me happy as hell, and thanks to its length, I can't care less about the overall length.
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Only if the lyrics were rewritten to not be a priest comic adaptation...
I don't see any problem with "ITPoE" lyrics, i like also James' delivery. It's a matter of taste and i think it's one of the best JP "story like" lyrics. I can see the point why someone could dislike it, the dark master theme and being too close to the comic it came from.
Apparently the same universe where one of DT's most highly regarded albums, IaW, is only 57 minutes long.
In my opinion, I&W is too short, it always leaves me wanting more. :biggrin:
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If only they'd made the advances in CD-audio by the time Images and Words was released, we would've had ACOS on there as well...
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If only they'd made the advances in CD-audio by the time Images and Words was released, we would've had ACOS on there as well...
That would have dragged the album down for me.
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If only they'd made the advances in CD-audio by the time Images and Words was released, we would've had ACOS on there as well...
I know, that would make the feeling, that the album is too short, even stronger for me... ...wanting more of it after listening!
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01 - A Change Of Seasons
02 - Raise The Knife
03 - Hell's Kitchen
04 - Lines In The Sand
05 - Trial Of Tears
Maybe one more short song between.
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DT was never the kind of band to recycle their old ideas for new albums though. I mean, okay, they had some ideas for Metropolis Pt. 2 in 1996, that hey ended up developing into SFAM as we know it, but they've never had old songs that they just threw onto new albums. It's not like they went, "Oh, we're working on Awake, let's throw To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me" on it. And it wouldn't have worked for FII and ACOS either, because Awake had a whole different kind of sound to it. TLF and DLPM would have stood out like a sore thumb on that album. Same with ACOS and FII. ACOS has an overall much darker, more poetic tone than anything on FII.
Every DT album has something different in terms of the overall sound and mood, so sticking old songs on new albums, those songs would not fit in very well.
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ACOS would have turned in a 6-10 minute song? :rollin
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See, I would consider OTBOA heavy. It's not their heaviest song, but it's got its share of E-string plam muting and double bass, and it's mostly a song driven by distorted guitar.
So according to you, every song with palm mutes and distorted guitar is heavy?
it's on the heavier side. I think it's a good song, though.
I don't get this. Do you think that normally, heavier songs can't be good songs?
I don't have a problem with their heavy stuff per se--after all, it was Lie that got me into the band. I got a 7-string Ibanez 15 years ago because of that song and Caught in a Web. But there's no non-ballad song on this album that doesn't still rely heavily on palm-muted guitar and double bass. That's common for DT ever after Falling Into Infinity. But listen to Trial of Tears, Lifting Shadows, Surrounded, SDV, LTL, and most of Scarred...you can go almost the entire song without hearing a palm-muted E-string.
Could you please tell me what kind of problem you have with palm muted E-strings :huh:
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Means he wants a prog DT with doses of metal instead of a metal DT with doses of prog :lol
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Means he wants a prog DT with doses of metal instead of a metal DT with doses of prog :lol
To be fair though, DT has jumped back and forth through their career. Awake was full of muted strings, right? It had a very heavy metal edge to it.
Lately, it seems like they've had a string of albums, being metal DT with doses of prog. It would be nice if they went back and forth every once in a while. Nothing wrong with making a softer album once in a while.
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Dreamnation? :rollin
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More like Dreatershed if we are talking about prog with doses of metal :D
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Speaking seriously now, i would like more songs in the vein of Take The Time, Lines In The Sand and Blind Faith (more rock than metal)
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My interest in metal music has diminished over recent years (it's probably at an all time low right now) so personally I wouldn't mind less metal and more prog. But that's just me.
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I love their metal side. But album to album contrast is important, and I think if they did make a softer, more melodic album (let's say DT13) then it would be much more refreshing, and then if they went back to metal after something like that, I think the contrast would make it much more interesting.
But they're just going to do whatever feels more natural and what they're most passionate about, so it doesn't matter what we say.
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ACOS was written long before James was even in the band, and was supposed to be on Images & Words, but was cut by record company in addition to the fact that CD's at that time had a limitation of about 74 minutes or so - meaning they would've had to cut 3-4 minutes from the song that was about 19 minutes long at the time.
Of course, it turned out to be for the better, as the stuff they did polish was mostly for the better...
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ACOS is its own stand alone EP. That's all it needs to be.
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I&W is the definition of perfection on my dictionary. It created my idea of musical perfection. For this reason I would change nothing of it.
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I&W is the definition of perfection on my dictionary. It created my idea of musical perfection. For this reason I would change nothing of it.
That's how I feel about SFAM.
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I&W is the definition of perfection on my dictionary. It created my idea of musical perfection. For this reason I would change nothing of it.
That's how I feel about SFAM.
They're both damn near perfect albums. :tup
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
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I&W is the definition of perfection on my dictionary. It created my idea of musical perfection. For this reason I would change nothing of it.
That's how I feel about SFAM.
They're both damn near perfect albums. :tup
They even volountarily put a flaw in it as they were scared by its flawlessness. (=D)
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I'm a drummer & I love Images & Words but the busy drumming and snare sound don't really do it for me.
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I&W is the definition of perfection on my dictionary. It created my idea of musical perfection. For this reason I would change nothing of it.
That's how I feel about SFAM.
They're both damn near perfect albums. :tup
Aussie Osbourne knows the deal :tup
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I'm a drummer & I love Images & Words but the busy drumming and snare sound don't really do it for me.
I agree, it sounds so hectic and busy at times you don't really get the chance to get in the groove. The sound needs to be a little more free, the snare has to have a 'ring' to it in my ears, I loved when they did that in SDOIT, Octavarium.
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I'm a drummer & I love Images & Words but the busy drumming and snare sound don't really do it for me.
...and this is one of many evidences of that DT's diversity also is there biggest 'flaw'. When I heard I&W for the first time, the snare sound and the busy drumming were two of the wow-factors for me. For a guy that grew up on Metallica and Guns N' Roses, this music was so different...add the fact that my interest for guitar playing peaked at that time, and you'll understand my love for that album :-) .
My opinion? I wish that DT only used heaviness "when needed", not as a fundamental part of their music. Much like I&W. So many other bands does heavy, but DT can do so much more...
With that said, I think I'll get my fair share of what I wish for on the new album, even if it's supposed to be quite heavy ;-)
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SFAM is perfect in my opinion, 8VM comes pretty close.
And what's up with all that heaviness bashing lately :huh:
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SFAM is perfect in my opinion, 8VM comes pretty close.
And what's up with all that heaviness bashing lately :huh:
Lately? It's always been like this from my observation. :lol :(
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.
:\ Overture?
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Aw, I really like Overture actually. :(
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Aw, I really like Overture actually. :(
I would have liked it a ton more if it were played with the whole band and not almost 100% with keyboard sounds. To my ears it sounds too ...fake?
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I'm glad I can't pick up on these kinds of things. It doesn't sound fake to me, and I think it's an awesome and anthemic opening to the piece of music that really sold me on Dream Theater. (Maybe that's the key right there--it's super nostalgic for me so I'll overlook its flaws?)
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.
The outro to Misunderstood comes to mind.
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Yeah the outro to Misunderstood is definitely not my favorite. I always have to skip it before that weird warping sound because it hits a certain pitch or something that actually hurts in my ears. It's a shame because I love the song apart from that and I'd like to like the whole song.
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If these are the closest to "flaws" SDOIT has, it's no wonder it's their best album. :biggrin: :P
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I love Overture and I really like the outro to Misunderstood. Would never call those flaws.
Edit: sort of myung'd by Blob. =]
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If these are the closest to "flaws" SDOIT has, it's no wonder it's their best album. :biggrin: :P
This.
Although I do agree that the keyboard orchestral sounds in Overture are a little bit lame, but they're not that terrible, and it's still a fun opening movement. For me it's the weakest part of the album, but that's not saying much because the album is amazing.
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I loooove Overture. Possibly Top 20.
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That album was made in 2001. MIDI and keyboard samples have come a long way since then.
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https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151564265147181?notif_t=notify_me
Luna Park Artwork :justjen :justjen
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AH, one of the Instagram comments and now I can't unsee it: "Capitalize the W in Caught In A Web or so help me." :eek
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Cartoon intro? Does this mean that Blob's unicycler in BITS intro or some new Mika Tyyskä's projection?
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Guys this is all quite OT.
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Cartoon intro? Does this mean that Blob's unicycler in BITS intro or some new Mika Tyyskä's projection?
Mika Tyyska had the intro video of the DT cartoon characters to the Inception Dream is Collapsing music.
But this should be in the Luna Park thread.
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AH, one of the Instagram comments and now I can't unsee it: "Capitalize the W in Caught In A Web or so help me." :eek
Dammit. :censored
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Cartoon intro? Does this mean that Blob's unicycler in BITS intro or some new Mika Tyyskä's projection?
Mika Tyyska had the intro video of the DT cartoon characters to the Inception Dream is Collapsing music.
But this should be in the Luna Park thread.
Oh I see, I didn't catch this tour so I din't know that. Thanks!
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Glad there's way more extras on the Luna Park DVD than the "deluxe Edition" of Dream Theater.
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Glad there's way more extras on the Luna Park DVD than the "deluxe Edition" of Dream Theater.
Me too.
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.
Everything I will ever think of as a "flaw" of any kind will without a single exception be based on my own opinion, so I don't really understand what you mean.
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Would you rather have a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?
Damn, nobody got the reference.
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In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?
This
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In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?
Apparently the same universe where one of DT's most highly regarded albums, IaW, is only 57 minutes long.
I have to quote this again because it seems ridiculous people are worried about losing a few extra minutes compared to past DT albums.
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I actually like the snare sound of I&W. It's different.
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Would you rather have a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?
Damn, nobody got the reference.
o/
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.
The outro to Misunderstood comes to mind.
FTFM.
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Looks like maybe another slow promo week??
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.
Everything I will ever think of as a "flaw" of any kind will without a single exception be based on my own opinion, so I don't really understand what you mean.
A flaw is something that is inherently wrong with something, so you may want to rephrase your comment if it's based on opinion.
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.
Everything I will ever think of as a "flaw" of any kind will without a single exception be based on my own opinion, so I don't really understand what you mean.
A flaw is something that is inherently wrong with something, so you may want to rephrase your comment if it's based on opinion.
I have always honestly been curious if people that make comments such this (and it happens all of the time all over the internet) actually do not know that people's opinions are opinions without the words "in my opinion" in each sentence or paragraph, or if they are putting on airs to make some sort of online argument power play to get the upper hand. I lean towards the latter, since I'm pretty sure I've never met anyone who needed the words "ADVERTISEMENT" blinking on the screen during commercials. Any enlightenment here? And I'm actually curious, do they not know or are we playing word games here?
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
What I don't understand is why say "especially not DT's"? How does DT have more flaws than other bands?
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Looks like maybe another slow promo week??
yeah, I think at that point we have to wait beginning of the second week of September to see something more interesting, almost some track by track review and interviews...I don't think we'll hear any snippet this time.
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
I'm curious as to what the "obvious flaws" are, that aren't based on your own opinion.
Everything I will ever think of as a "flaw" of any kind will without a single exception be based on my own opinion, so I don't really understand what you mean.
A flaw is something that is inherently wrong with something, so you may want to rephrase your comment if it's based on opinion.
I have always honestly been curious if people that make comments such this (and it happens all of the time all over the internet) actually do not know that people's opinions are opinions without the words "in my opinion" in each sentence or paragraph, or if they are putting on airs to make some sort of online argument power play to get the upper hand. I lean towards the latter, since I'm pretty sure I've never met anyone who needed the words "ADVERTISEMENT" blinking on the screen during commercials. Any enlightenment here? And I'm actually curious, do they not know or are we playing word games here?
I'm not sure that an opinion's just an affirmative statement with the words "In my opinion" trailing out of its arse. They're very different forms of speech, and if you're writing in a facty way, "IMO" is only barely paper over the cracks. "The writing is terrible" and "The writing is terrible IMO" don't feel distinct at all, and are both pretty flatly confrontational. The way the sentence is structured, it's like you don't think the opinion needs substantiating, like it's self-evident. "The writing is terrible" and "I don't like the writing," on the other hand, are night and day. The first is an affirmative statement, aims to be the last word. The latter invites questions. It's perhaps part of a... discussion!
It's not a particularly minor distinction - we're on the internet, words are all we've got! We don't know you, we have no idea what your intention is. People object to people phrasing opinions as facts because they can, at worst, make a post seem really rather arrogant and nasty - and, regrettably, since you're a stranger, we have no way of knowing that you're not! I'm sure you've posted what you've posted with all the best will in the world, but when you phrase things you know are opinions like they're facts, there's innately a disconnect between your version of what you're saying and our version of what we're reading.
We don't know you. Say the things you mean! It'd be nice to presume good faith, but... may I refer you back to, "we're on the internet!"
ETA: General "you," of course. "You, the citizens of the internet." Not, "You, commanderbob, CHANGE YOUR WAYS!"
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I'm not sure that an opinion's just an affirmative statement with the words "In my opinion" trailing out of its arse. They're very different forms of speech, and if you're writing in a facty way, "IMO" is only barely paper over the cracks. "The writing is terrible" and "The writing is terrible IMO" don't feel distinct at all, and are both pretty flatly confrontational. The way the sentence is structured, it's like you don't think the opinion needs substantiating, like it's self-evident. "The writing is terrible" and "I don't like the writing," on the other hand, are night and day. The first is an affirmative statement, aims to be the last word. The latter invites questions. It's perhaps part of a... discussion!
It's not a particularly minor distinction - we're on the internet, words are all we've got! We don't know you, we have no idea what your intention is. People object to people phrasing opinions as facts because they can, at worst, make a post seem really rather arrogant and nasty - and, regrettably, since you're a stranger, we have no way of knowing that you're not! I'm sure you've posted what you've posted with all the best will in the world, but when you phrase things you know are opinions like they're facts, there's innately a disconnect between your version of what you're saying and our version of what we're reading.
We don't know you. Say the things you mean! It'd be nice to presume good faith, but... may I refer you back to, "we're on the internet!"
ETA: General "you," of course. "You, the citizens of the internet." Not, "You, commanderbob, CHANGE YOUR WAYS!"
QFT! :clap:
Communication is always a collaboration. We authors should take at least partial responsibility when our message consistently falls short.
IMHO.
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
How does DT have more flaws than other bands?
By making music less good than other bands.
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
How does DT have more flaws than other bands?
By making music less good than other bands.
:huh: :huh: :huh: :justjen
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
How does DT have more flaws than other bands?
By making music less good than other bands.
They make less good music, because they make more great music. :neverusethis:
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
How does DT have more flaws than other bands?
By making music less good than other bands.
Yeah, I guess you've just read robwebster's post very carefully.
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By making music less good than other bands.
The only possible interpretation of that exchange, taken literally, is that Dream Theater is your least favorite band. Since no album is perfect, "especially" not Dream Theater albums, that must mean that Dream Theater albums are the most imperfect of all albums. It would then follow that Dream Theater is your least favorite band.
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"The writing is terrible" and "The writing is terrible IMO" don't feel distinct at all, and are both pretty flatly confrontational.
Agreed.
" The writing is terrible " hardly even needs IMO after it since it is obviously your opinion as you are the one saying it.
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Am I the only one that thinks that it should be assumed that what people say on these forums is an opinion? Someone says something without explicitly stating that it is their opinion, and people think that it's said as fact. I don't get it.
:facepalm:
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Am I the only one that thinks that it should be assumed that what people say on these forums is an opinion?
No, I agree with you, so you aren't totally alone.
I think people on the internet have a habit of getting a bit too hung up on semantics. Don't get me wrong, I do understand the value of wording your thoughts clearly - this is the internet, after all, and, as rob so eloquently put it, words are all we have. Words are the bridge we have to cross in order to come together on the internet. But to me, the focus should be on coming together, not just analyzing the bridge. When we get caught up in the semantics and argue with each other about how we should phrase our sentences, we're basically burning the bridges between us.
I think I've taken that metaphor about as far as it can go, so let me speak plainly: words are important, yes, but people should also be able to speak freely. The internet's no fun if you have to watch what you say all the time and be careful to word everything perfectly so that nobody takes anything you say the wrong way.
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So according to you, every song with palm mutes and distorted guitar is heavy?
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I don't get this. Do you think that normally, heavier songs can't be good songs?
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Could you please tell me what kind of problem you have with palm muted E-strings :huh:
Palm mutes and distorted guitar are major factors of whether a song is heavy or not. There are other factors, of course, but that's one of them.
I don't have a problem with heavy songs. Some of my best friends are heavy songs. I bought an Ibanez Universe 15 years ago so I could play songs like The Mirror, Lie, etc. I think certain tracks from Train of Thought are among some of my favorites.
I just don't want then to rely so much on one single sound. Awake and I&W have some very heavy parts, but there's a lot of songs and parts of songs on those albums driven more by synth, bass, or lighter guitar riffs, and a lot more parts of songs that have a minimalistic or mysterious feel, rather than just simply balls to the wall. That's all.
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Some of my best friends are heavy songs.
I don't know if this was intentional or not, but either way, it's brilliant. :clap:
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How does DT have more flaws than other bands?
By making music less good than other bands.
They make less good music, because they make more great music. :neverusethis:
Amen!
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I approve. :tup
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That's sadly not how I see any album ever. Especially not DT's. Six Degrees may be the closest but it has it's obvious flaws as well.
How does DT have more flaws than other bands?
By making music less good than other bands.
WTF
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Some of my best friends are heavy songs.
:laugh:
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Less good *music* than other bands.
And what I mean by that is simply that they're not my favorite band, not that I hate them.
The only possible interpretation of that exchange, taken literally, is that Dream Theater is your least favorite band. Since no album is perfect, "especially" not Dream Theater albums, that must mean that Dream Theater albums are the most imperfect of all albums. It would then follow that Dream Theater is your least favorite band.
Also regarding this: For me Dream Theater's strength is in their individual songs, not in albums seen as a whole. So if you compare DT's albums to other bands, they're oftenly not as strong. Maybe "especially DT's albums" was putting it a bit strong, but that's how I feel.
Still not hating here. Six Degrees is an awesome album, and so are some of the others. The rest of them doesn't quite reach awesome for me but remain at either "okay" or "good".
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Also regarding this: For me Dream Theater's strength is in their individual songs, not in albums seen as a whole. So if you compare DT's albums to other bands, they're oftenly not as strong.
Exactly what bands are you comparing them to?
I mean, you say "other bands" like you mean every other band in the world puts together better albums than DT. But if you like DT at all, then unless you think that every other band you've ever heard puts together better albums than DT, then obviously there have to be some parameters, right?
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No, of course I don't compare them to "every" other band. More like "any" other band that puts out generally stronger albums. DT may not be my favorite band but they are not very far from it, and is definetely the band I'm most invested in and involved with.
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No, of course I don't compare them to "every" other band. More like "any" other band that puts out generally stronger albums.
I still don't get what that means. I don't see how any other band puts out stronger albums than DT. Obviously, it's a matter of opinion, but just the same, anyone is free to dispute it. I think DT puts out albums every bit as strong as the best of them.
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I have always felt that they mix strong songs with a lot weaker ones on the same album while some of the other bands I listen to often has a more consistent flow of strong songs throughout their albums.
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I have always felt that they mix strong songs with a lot weaker ones on the same album while some of the other bands I listen to often has a more consistent flow of strong songs throughout their albums.
Dream Theater's weakest songs are still stronger than a lot of other band's strongest songs. It depends on what you're looking to get out of the song.
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JP and JLP answers some questions. Just posted on RR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lul8FRMMxsE
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Edit: JLB
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I have always felt that they mix strong songs with a lot weaker ones on the same album
For my personal feelings this is true from TOT to BC&SL. The other 7 albums are pretty consistent to me. So still 2/3 of the albums are packed full with amazing songs, and that is still a great percentage, IMO.
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JP and JLP answers some questions. Just posted on RR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lul8FRMMxsE
Warning - the new single is playing in the background throughout this clip.
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JP and JLP answers some questions. Just posted on RR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lul8FRMMxsE
Great one. Hoping for a lot more of these. It's so good to see these guys having fun like that.
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Ok, two things:
It's weird to see James as that blonde.
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I certainly hope the artwork doesn't go through another change. They put the name of the band at the bottom of the artwork at the end. I'll just assume that's for the sake of the video.... :censored
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JP : "(James) That was two hours ago!" :rollin :rollin :rollin
B.Lee
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Ahhh what happened to James' hair?? :lol
Fun interview though thanks for sharing.
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James' hair :omg: His air guitar :metal
Good vid, looking forward to some more :D
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Funny video :lol Thanks for sharing!
Edit: More pics from their Instagram:
(https://i.imgur.com/8alekfa.jpg)
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It's always heartwarming seeing those two have fun and laugh like the real buddies they are. Making fun of the canadian will never get old for them I guess :lol
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A comment on the Luna Park tracklist on Instagram :
Fuck dream theater after seeing this! The 12 step songs were a personal thing for mp and a way of being of service to the next drunk. When mp was there it made sense now its about attention, I could care less if mp signed off or not, its not right!
:lol :lolpalm:
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For some reason I think album 13 will be a concept album.
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A comment on the Luna Park tracklist on Instagram :
Fuck dream theater after seeing this! The 12 step songs were a personal thing for mp and a way of being of service to the next drunk. When mp was there it made sense now its about attention, I could care less if mp signed off or not, its not right!
:lol :lolpalm:
Yeah, he completely misses the point. Which is The Root of All Evil should not be played simply because it's the weakest of the tracks.
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Hmm, I see James in on his 50's.... Let's hope his hair isn't grey in the end of the year or so.. ;)
For some reason I think album 13 will be a concept album.
I've got a same feeling.
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For some reason I think album 13 will be a concept album.
And it will be named "Friday (the)", right?
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I think it's time. Third album with Mangini. Plus of course 13 is 8 + 5. AND isn't 2015 their 30th anniversary ?
It's all tying together nicely :P
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A comment on the Luna Park tracklist on Instagram :
Fuck dream theater after seeing this! The 12 step songs were a personal thing for mp and a way of being of service to the next drunk. When mp was there it made sense now its about attention, I could care less if mp signed off or not, its not right!
:lol :lolpalm:
Yeah, he completely misses the point. Which is The Root of All Evil should not be played simply because it's the weakest of the tracks.
Bring The Glass Prison!
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Yeah, he completely misses the point. Which is The Root of All Evil should not be played simply because it's the weakest of the tracks.
NOt a chance. It's my favourite if anything. Repentance or shattered fortress are the weakest for me.
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I like Shattered Fortress due to it being like a medley of the rest. I'd have to listen to the suite more to really say which is my least favorite though.
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Seems to me that John has had his hair died too.
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Yep because no 46 year old in history is without any grey hair :P
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JP and JLP answers some questions. Just posted on RR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lul8FRMMxsE
lot of fun about the vocalparts.
Interesting how they restyled the coverimage with the bandname added at the lower half.
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I like Shattered Fortress due to it being like a medley of the rest. I'd have to listen to the suite more to really say which is my least favorite though.
This. I get a lot of grief from my friend from liking it, but I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. I think The Glass Prison is definitely my favorite one though.
That being said, I'm glad 12 isn't a concept album. But a concept album for 13 would be awesome.
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I loved that video, funny stuff. :lol
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Album 13 seems to me the perfect time to do a concept or double album.
• 30th anniversary - assuming the next album comes out in 2015.
• Yes - 13 is 8 + 5 - this can't have escaped their attention.
• Third album with Mangini.
First album was - we're still Dream Theater. Second album was - let's see what we can do. Third album should be the massive opus.
• James and John both seemed to hint that they would do one again soon.
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That video is nice, James' comments made my day :lol
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A comment on the Luna Park tracklist on Instagram :
Fuck dream theater after seeing this! The 12 step songs were a personal thing for mp and a way of being of service to the next drunk. When mp was there it made sense now its about attention, I could care less if mp signed off or not, its not right!
:lol :lolpalm:
Yeah, he completely misses the point. Which is The Root of All Evil should not be played simply because it's the weakest of the tracks.
Not my favorite song either, but I would love to see The Root of All Evil live, it's just so energetic and when I listen to it I always feel like it's an amazing live song.
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• Yes - 13 is 8 + 5 - this can't have escaped their attention.
I'm pretty sure that Portnoy was the only one in the band to think that way.
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That video is nice, James' comments made my day :lol
"What the fuck was I thinking?"
We all wish we knew, James. :lol It's funny. They look like they're having so much fun, which is awesome!
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• Yes - 13 is 8 + 5 - this can't have escaped their attention.
I'm pretty sure that Portnoy was the only one in the band to think that way.
You sure? They released TEI on 8/5/13 (for us Americans) and I doubt Portnoy had any influence on that. I think that might be a thing with all of them now.
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Pretty cool video. Seems like it confirms cyberdrummer's experience that the album was a mesh between Images, TOT, Octavarium and SDOIT.
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Great video. I was :rollin from about half way in until end. James' :| was great. Would have liked to hear JM and MM's names at least mentioned, but whatever.
On a site note, JP is looking quite a bit slimmer these days. I for one, kind of like it, he seems a bit more personable now. Less bear-y.
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Pretty cool video. Seems like it confirms cyberdrummer's experience that the album was a mesh between Images, TOT, Octavarium and SDOIT.
Or maybe just... something else?
Sorry but I just pictured someone trying to describe a giraffe to someone else who's never seen it before. "Well you know, it's got the body of a horse, no wait... camel... but way, waaaaaay taller! And then spots all over... like a friggin' leopard! And men it even has fu**ing horns!!"
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Could someone make a transcription of the funny part where they were laughing and apparently JLB says "what was I thinking"? I can't watch it with sound because of the freakin background music! haha
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Album 13 seems to me the perfect time to do a concept or double album.
• 30th anniversary - assuming the next album comes out in 2015.
• Yes - 13 is 8 + 5 - this can't have escaped their attention.
• Third album with Mangini.
First album was - we're still Dream Theater. Second album was - let's see what we can do. Third album should be the massive opus.
• James and John both seemed to hint that they would do one again soon.
And you forgot:
2015
2+0+1+5 = 8
20-15 = 5
:eek
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Could someone make a transcription of the funny part where they were laughing and apparently JLB says "what was I thinking"? I can't watch it with sound because of the freakin background music! haha
When writing melody, do you write specific to range?
JLB: A lot of that might stand true with when I'm doing my solo stuff. With Dream Theater it's a different approach - musically - because you have two very powerful musical forces, being (as composers) John and Jordan. There's a lot of stuff going on there. It's like what I was saying during this process... this isn't an easy answer because there's so many layers to it, right?
JP: Mmm hmm.
JLB: But, you know, I was saying... If you don't get your foot in there quickly enough, your voice in where you want to say "oh yeah, this is what I'm hearing", you're lost in the shuffle. I mean, there were many moments, I'd be like "HEY GUYS... HANG ON A SEC, GUYS GUYS" and they'd be like "BOLDODODLDODODLDLODODBUBUBUBU, THATWASAGOODONE, BRBRBRLRBRBRBDBDBDBDBD", and then I'd be like, "the fuck was I thinking about? Where was I going to go with this?" You know, they'd pull it back so you'd see me running out of the room and I'm like "BLEBLEBLEEBLOBLABLABLASUMUSMSANAAABLA", and I'd come back and they'd be going "uhh, yeah, you know that thing, we changed that, we're gonna go in this direction now." "Oh, that makes that irrelevant what I was thinking".
JP: That's so two hours ago, James.
*both laugh*
JLB: Totally! "James, we're not even going there anymore." "Uh. Okay." But as far as the melody structuring and how that all goes about, it's initially sitting down - in this instance it was Jordan, John and myself sitting down - and then John taking those melodies and going away, writing the lyrics. When he started to write the lyrics - because a lot of the way John works is he completely isolates himself in a room or somewhere within the studio that no one else is around, has his acoustic guitar, and he starts singing through his words, and so the melody's taking on another shape there.
So, my involvement at that point is to wait for that to be concluded, then come in. How does it feel to me? How is it going to be sung? Is it something that sings well or doesn't? So we keep working it, and then it works again for me when I get behind the microphone, it also takes on a whole new feel and there's certain alterations that are absolutely necessary. But, for the most part, if I come in and give these guys some ideas, or if I'm sitting there and I hear something (and get the opportunity to blurt it out before they move on), then that's it. That's basically my role. It really comes down to me as a singer, and how I can bring the best of what needs to be said vocally.
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Album 13 seems to me the perfect time to do a concept or double album.
• 30th anniversary - assuming the next album comes out in 2015.
• Yes - 13 is 8 + 5 - this can't have escaped their attention.
• Third album with Mangini.
First album was - we're still Dream Theater. Second album was - let's see what we can do. Third album should be the massive opus.
• James and John both seemed to hint that they would do one again soon.
And you forgot:
2015
2+0+1+5 = 8
20-15 = 5
:eek
It should be a concept album about Back To The Future 2.
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Could someone make a transcription of the funny part where they were laughing and apparently JLB says "what was I thinking"? I can't watch it with sound because of the freakin background music! haha
*Ad134's awesome transcription*
OMG thank you!!!! If there's any DT favor I can do for you, let me know!
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I mean, there were many moments, I'd be like "HEY GUYS... HANG ON A SEC, GUYS GUYS" and they'd be like "BOLDODODLDODODLDLODODBUBUBUBU, THATWASAGOODONE, BRBRBRLRBRBRBDBDBDBDBD", and then I'd be like, "the fuck was I thinking about? Where was I going to go with this?" You know, they'd pull it back so you'd see me running out of the room and I'm like "BLEBLEBLEEBLOBLABLABLASUMUSMSANAAABLA",
:lol Haven't seen the vid yet, but I can totally imagine what that sounds like!
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I imagine it must get quite annoying / daunting listening to 4 world class virtuoso musicians jamming / trying to write a song :lol
Guys i........Hey I.......Can I........I've.....I just.........GUYS !!!............I got an IDEA!!!!
*all stop* Hey James - what's up ?
James :........i'm going to Starbucks. :sadpanda:
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:lol
Btw, that transcription might make that video funnier.
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That part with the JLB air guitar should be a GIF. :lol
Terrific short interview though. It gave some solid insight into how the lyrics and the vocals come along.
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I'm surprised by how short False Awakening Suite is, considering it's a 3-movement song. Each movement would be under a minute long.
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Has anyone seen this album cover yet? Roadrunner used it in their last video with John and James' Interview, and now Amazon is using it. I wish the logo was on the top, rather than the bottom though...
(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/8188vcdCqlL._SL1500_.jpg)
https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/8188vcdCqlL._SL1500_.jpg (https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/8188vcdCqlL._SL1500_.jpg)
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Little known fact: for Falling Into Infinity, the original album title was intended to be Stream of Consciousness, but when that was scrapped (even though favored by both MP and JP - other members, unite!), one of the ideas kicked around was. . . Dream Theater.
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Little known fact: for Falling Into Infinity, the original album title was intended to be Stream of Consciousness, but when that was scrapped (even though favored by both MP and JP - other members, unite!), one of the ideas kicked around was. . . Dream Theater.
Reminds me of the "in a stream of consciousness" part of Lines In The Sand, always thought that was peculiar. I didn't know that little fact, makes sense now.
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I remember reading somewhere that MP didn't like the idea of a selftitled album.
Also, glad they didn't go with Stream Of Consciousness. That title doesn't really fit the music.
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Personally, I was hoping they'd leave the title off the cover. Shame.
Also, glad they didn't go with Stream Of Consciousness. That title doesn't really fit the music.
Well, yeah, not after the label made them restructure all the songs. That's like, the opposite of the sheer concept of Stream of Consciousness.
Though to be honest, I didn't think the title fit the ToT instrumental very well either.
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Has anyone seen this album cover yet? Roadrunner used it in their last video with John and James' Interview, and now Amazon is using it. I wish the logo was on the top, rather than the bottom though...
(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/8188vcdCqlL._SL1500_.jpg)
https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/8188vcdCqlL._SL1500_.jpg (https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/8188vcdCqlL._SL1500_.jpg)
Surprised about this actually. Every interview has said it's just the logo, no band name or anything. Did they cave?
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Maybe vetoed by RR?
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I thought having the band name on there was just for promo stuff, although I'd prefer it with an album title anyway. I've never liked albums without words on them. I want images AND words.
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That symbol...still looks...wrong. My wish didn't come true. I guess they're never gonna fix it. Am i the only one perturbed by this? Does no one really care? Why is this not talked about more? Why is no one asking the band members about this in any of the interviews? Please, can anyone with a hotline to the DT camp find out? anything. I need at least a reason why.
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It's just a little different. Like Van Halen changed their logo with 5150. It's their symbol, they can do what they want with it.
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I wouldn't mind it if the logo was sharper, but it looks like a complete afterthought to me. The cover looks much better with no text. Maybe if it had been chrome like the Majesty symbol I would've liked it.
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In the interview that goo-goo just posted he mentions only the logo too...
I wouldn't mind it if the logo was sharper, but it looks like a complete afterthought to me. The cover looks much better with no text. Maybe if it had been chrome like the Majesty symbol I would've liked it.
I don't mind it. I like blue :tup
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I find it interesting that Queensryche slightly redesigned their logo in their self-titled as well.
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The logo doesn't really bother me because it still looks like what it originally was so you can still tell its the Majesty symbol. Symbols(especially for bands)change sometimes just like the music of the band changes.
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First when I saw the new cover, I was like "It needs the logo!!!", but not anymore :3
It's maybe the best cover by DT IMO. Simple and recognizable!
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First when I saw the new cover, I was like "It needs the logo!!!", but not anymore :3
It's maybe the best cover by DT IMO. Simple and recognizable!
I agree. I originally thought it looked strange without the logo. Now that I've seen it with the logo, I want it gone. It's more aesthetically pleasing to me with just the Majesty symbol. Come to think of it, I imagine everything has already gone to printing and is about to be shipped out to retail distributors. :caffeine:
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I understand the logo in the center and all,but what has the earth got to do with it?What does it represent more specifically?
Oh,and what is all this thing about 5,8,13,fiveeightforum etc.Can someone elaborate on that?I may be missing something.Thank you.
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:corn
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I think the band logo may be just a sticker or on the plastic or something... maybe a slipcase. I don't know if it'll be on the printed version.
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I think the band logo may be just a sticker or on the plastic or something... maybe a slipcase. I don't know if it'll be on the printed version.
I was thinking the same, It would be better that way :3
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I think the band logo may be just a sticker or on the plastic or something... maybe a slipcase. I don't know if it'll be on the printed version.
Yeah, but that would sort of defeat the purpose of this:
It would just be the symbol, a very understated confidence and basically not titling it, not having our mind on the cover and only using the symbol, was a bold, strong statement. Kinda like they do in the movies when a new Superman is coming out. You see an S and you don´t have to say anything else.
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It looks like the band logo is on the standard-cd edition and on the artwork for the digital album.
The deluxe edition, LP and box-set doesn't seem to have it.
https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/music-1/cd/dream-theater-dream-theater-cd.html (https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/music-1/cd/dream-theater-dream-theater-cd.html)
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I think the band logo may be just a sticker or on the plastic or something... maybe a slipcase. I don't know if it'll be on the printed version.
Yeah, but that would sort of defeat the purpose of this:
It would just be the symbol, a very understated confidence and basically not titling it, not having our mind on the cover and only using the symbol, was a bold, strong statement. Kinda like they do in the movies when a new Superman is coming out. You see an S and you don´t have to say anything else.
Record labels often put a sticker on the cover if the band name isn't there - Ghost Reveries by Opeth comes to mind and that album was released by Roadrunner too.
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Record labels often put a sticker on the cover if the band name isn't there - Ghost Reveries by Opeth comes to mind and that album was released by Roadrunner too.
Doesn't really change the fact that it completely negates it from being a "bold statement".
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Record labels often put a sticker on the cover if the band name isn't there - Ghost Reveries by Opeth comes to mind and that album was released by Roadrunner too.
Doesn't really change the fact that it completely negates it from being a "bold statement".
Unfortunately yeah, but I bet the label people want to be sure even the casual fans and people who have just discovered the band will know it's a Dream Theater release and sales are more important than artistic statements.
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Unfortunately yeah, but I bet the label people want to be sure even the casual fans and people who have just discovered the band will know it's a Dream Theater release and sales are more important than artistic statements.
Yeah, but they should really think about the flipside of it. If people can't recognize DT just from the logo, it's still a cool and intriguing cover. Whenever I see an album cover without a title, where it's just the art, I always pick it up and see what it is. And the spine would state the band and album title anyway, so you can find out there and then, but if I look at an album, and even if the cover is cool, but it says, "Darkness Falls" or something, I immediately go, "Oh, it's them. Nah, I'll pass."
Basically, what I'm saying is, they're completely dismissing the intrigue factor.
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I thought having the band name on there was just for promo stuff, although I'd prefer it with an album title anyway. I've never liked albums without words on them. I want images AND words.
Better an cover without words or a cover with the wrong font? :neverusethis:
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BTW, I'm not saying RR only think about the sales and don't give a damn about DT's image or music - my point is that they don't want to lose potential buyers because of such a small thing as the lack of band name on the front cover or a sticker. Not everyone recognizes the Majesty symbol or finds the cover cool enough to check out who's made the album.
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Unfortunately yeah, but I bet the label people want to be sure even the casual fans and people who have just discovered the band will know it's a Dream Theater release and sales are more important than artistic statements.
Yeah, but they should really think about the flipside of it. If people can't recognize DT just from the logo, it's still a cool and intriguing cover. Whenever I see an album cover without a title, where it's just the art, I always pick it up and see what it is. And the spine would state the band and album title anyway, so you can find out there and then, but if I look at an album, and even if the cover is cool, but it says, "Darkness Falls" or something, I immediately go, "Oh, it's them. Nah, I'll pass."
Basically, what I'm saying is, they're completely dismissing the intrigue factor.
I'm not convinced this intrigue factor is that strong for the average person buying an album. I look at band names more than I'd ever pay attention to an album cover to sell me an album.
Not to mention that in any other scenario, an album cover without writing on it would warn me right off, not intrigue me. :lol
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Not to mention that in any other scenario, an album cover without writing on it would warn me right off, not intrigue me. :lol
How come?
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I prefer it without the text. Now that they fixed the planet cut-off the cover is just awesome as it is.
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When i read that it was going to be a self titled album the first cover art that came to my mind was a white majesty symbol on black background without the band name on it. That would have been a bold statement.
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Not to mention that in any other scenario, an album cover without writing on it would warn me right off, not intrigue me. :lol
How come?
Because it would ring alarm bells of pretentiousness, like their "art" is so important that actually letting the album cover serve its purpose of telling people what it is would ruin it.
A bit different in the case of a self titled with an identifiable logo, but I'm still not a fan of the approach.
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When i read that it was going to be a self titled album the first cover art that came to my mind was a white majesty symbol on black background without the band name on it. That would have been a bold statement.
No, that would have been artsy and pretentious, IMO. Minimalism is overrated. Especially since we're talking about Progressive Metal here.
The cover should've been of a guy wanking. Now THAT'S a bold statement that reflects the music. :rollin
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The cover shows actually a bright majesty symbol, a planet and black background. Isn't it just half assed minimalism?
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That symbol...still looks...wrong. My wish didn't come true. I guess they're never gonna fix it. Am i the only one perturbed by this? Does no one really care? Why is this not talked about more? Why is no one asking the band members about this in any of the interviews? Please, can anyone with a hotline to the DT camp find out? anything. I need at least a reason why.
The symbol was changed intentionally. No need to fix that because of some fans whining about the change. They chose to self-title their twelfth album, and slightly altering the logo simply supports the statement of "this is the definition of Dream Theater in 2013".
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I don't know if that's what it's about, but a slight redesign doesn't hurt.
Here's the thing, of all the album covers, this is the biggest and clearest majesty symbol we've seen so far, and unlike on their previous albums, where it's a part of the background, or subtly placed into one of the objects on the art itself, this time, it's the focus of the picture, the center piece of the album art. So because all the focus is on the symbol now, maybe they decided that they needed to make it a little nicer, like, reshaping the O so that it isn't so close to the serifs.
Either way, it's still the same symbol, it's still very recognizable, and frankly, I like the change.
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I don't think I wouldve ever realized the symbol was different if it hadn't been mentioned on here. I mean it's obviously the same symbol, they just tweaked some things here and there, but I can't see how such tiny changes would alienate fans.
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Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure JP explained at the listening party why the album cover was just the Majesty symbol (bold statement etc.). No mention of the band name being on it.
I think a sticker or slipcase is the best explanation.
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The symbol looks more majestic than before. And the liquid metal effect is just gorgeous. I really like it.
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T-1000 would certainly approve.
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I understand the logo in the center and all,but what has the earth got to do with it?What does it represent more specifically?
Oh,and what is all this thing about 5,8,13,fiveeightforum etc.Can someone elaborate on that?I may be missing something.Thank you.
Most of the Octavarium album is based around 5 and 8.
https://dt.spatang.com/octavarium.php
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I don't think I wouldve ever realized the symbol was different if it hadn't been mentioned on here. I mean it's obviously the same symbol, they just tweaked some things here and there, but I can't see how such tiny changes would alienate fans.
Same. I would never have noticed the change if people hadn't freaked. It's their symbol. They can change it if they want. It's still instantly recognizable as the Majesty symbol, so I don't understand what the fuss is about.
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Same. I would never have noticed the change if people hadn't freaked. It's their symbol. They can change it if they want. It's still instantly recognizable as the Majesty symbol, so I don't understand what the fuss is about.
^ . Agreed. So it's a bit taller. Whoop do freaking do. ::)
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I didn't like the cover when I first saw it, mainly because of how plain it is and the fact that the logo is missing. I knew that the symbol would be the focus of the cover, obviously, but I thought it would have a lot of details surrounding it, like some cool scenery for example.
But now, I've learned to quite like it. Like JP said, there's no title and just the symbol on the front and you have to find out what's inside...
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But now, I've learned to quite like it. Like JP said, there's no title and just the symbol on the front and you have to find out what's inside...
Obviously what's inside is the enemy. :neverusethis:
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I think the album cover is pretty cool. I like that it's something new. I'm glad that there are no weird children on the cover or random objects. And it does sorta make a bold statement. Everything about the way this album has been presented is saying this is going to be amazing. I'm expecting it to be in the first tier of DT albums along with Images, SFAM, etc.
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That is true. I don't necessarily hate children, but I do hate children in the cover arts of my favorite albums. Don't ask me why, I just do. :lol
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The little boy on the cover of BC&SL is the son of the little girl on I&W. Mystery solved!
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Not quite. Who's the daddy? :police:
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I like the symbol being the only thing on the cover. I hope the logo is just a slipcase for the standard disc. If they printed the logo on the standard but didn't on the others, I would feel cheated if I bought the standard.
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Not quite. Who's the daddy? :police:
Change of Seasons kid! ;D
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Not quite. Who's the daddy? :police:
The count of Tuscany :hat
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More artwork being revealed this weekend! Calling Batman!!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/mMIMXo8.jpg)
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I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought of Gotham when I saw this. Very cool so far, though just seeing this tiny slice makes the angle disorienting.
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Na na na na na Roo-Dess!
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More artwork being revealed this weekend! Calling Batman!!!!
Batman uses the Batsuit, so you could say his actual identity is hidden... Behind the Veil! :omg: :o :eek :dangerwillrobinson:
:neverusethis:
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Behind the Ville.
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Unrelated:
Can someone post the full Luna Park artwork please? :)
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On a side note: I can already imagine some people on the Internet calling BTV Behind the Fail if they dislike the song ::)
Unrelated:
Can someone post the full Luna Park artwork please? :)
There's a separate thread for the DVD: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35685.1575
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Edit: Too late.
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On a side note: I can already imagine some people on the Internet calling BTV Behind the Fail if they dislike the song ::)
Unrelated:
Can someone post the full Luna Park artwork please? :)
There's a separate thread for the DVD: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35685.1575
Thanks :D
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It wouldn't surprise me if the Majesty symbol is being projected onto the sky there, ala the Bat-signal.
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this looks verrry familiar. like a wallpaper I had on my desktop years ago. have to search for it in my old hard drive to be certain.
Found it. This is the "stock" photo. https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulobar/230134559/lightbox/
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Calling it: Illumination Theory page artwork.
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Calling it: Illumination Theory page artwork.
The story of how the lights are failing and they need to dig up some complex theory to make it work again in desperation to call Batman :loser:
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I like the fact that the cover is simple (but still awesome :tup ). The sun and planet alone are enough for my taste! I don't even need to look at anything else besides that beautiful majesty symbol. That's what really makes it great imo :hefdaddy
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this looks verrry familiar. like a wallpaper I had on my desktop years ago. have to search for it in my old hard drive to be certain.
Found it. This is the "stock" photo. https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulobar/230134559/lightbox/
:slowclap: :slowclap: :slowclap: Syme strikes again.
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This is getting a bit ridiculous..
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So it's September 1st tomorrow which means that Dream Theater is out in just over 3 weeks !
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Second single! Release it already!
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I'm fine without a second single. I want The Enemy Inside the only thing i've heard beforehand.
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That's reasonable... But then again... GIMME SNIPPETS NAO! :metal
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No Snippets 4 Charlie PLZ. :angel:
I want more artwork snippets so we can play the game of " Find the original on Google !! "
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By the way, there must be something seriously wrong with the projector, if the light despite being seen to be focalized into a beam to the sky, somehow manages to hit the viewer right in his face (notice the radial rays departing from the source) :D
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I'm fine without a second single. I want The Enemy Inside the only thing i've heard beforehand.
Nobody forces you to listen to it :P
By the way, there must be something seriously wrong with the projector, if the light despite being seen to be focalized into a beam to the sky, somehow manages to hit the viewer right in his face (notice the radial rays departing from the source) :D
wat :blob:
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I'm fine without a second single. I want The Enemy Inside the only thing i've heard beforehand.
Nobody forces you to listen to it :P
I will. Kotowboy, don't you dare not listen to it.
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(https://i.imgur.com/2d3oL7Y.jpg)
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Hugh is pitiful
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Yep, bat-majesty symbol-signal. That's pretty clever.
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I don't think it's a HUGE deal that he uses stock images and shit, but it's apparent that he doesn't put TOO much effort into DT's artwork, so I just hope he's not getting paid a boat load of money. If he was raking in the dough for these images, THEN I'd be upset. But I don't know how much he actually makes off of DT's artwork or whatever.
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Batman!
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I was just about to watch The Dark Knight :o
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Majesty-Man !
Man-Jesty !
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Honestly, didn't we have the stock image conversation the last time they released booklet art?
Do you honestly expect Syme to go to a city and project a light into the air with the Majesty symbol on it? Or to build a drive-in movie theater on the beach?
Or do you want him to draw/paint all these things? Then he probably wouldn't have time to work as much as he does and the band would have to pay him a lot more than they do now.
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Stock Images are fine in small doses. I'd feel a bit bad if I used them habitually - and didn't put in much effort into my work and charged for it.
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Album art is so much more special to me when it's painted or drawn, and not shopped together... Look at Haken's The Mountain, for example. It looks gorgeous. This looks so lazy that I can't begin to tell myself Mr. Syme cares about pride in his work or about DT's image to be completely honest.
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Yeah but...clearly DT doesn't mind the finished product or they wouldn't keep using him. So which is more likely, the fact that the album art using existing images is something DT doesn't care about because it doesn't matter, or people like those in this thread overthinking it?
Totally going with overthinking it.
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I wish DT did mind though. I'm surprised they don't go for a better artist/better images. I don't think they really mind what the album art looks like in any case, so long as they're in charge of the music.
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Personally, I have no issues with Syme's style or use of stock images. The only thing that makes me less than happy with his artwork is when he makes blatant mistakes. For example, the misalignment of the ball on the Octavarium art bothers me. However, I like the idea for that art, just not that particular execution.
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Well, I don't mind when he uses a mix of elements of stock images, you know? Some few pieces... But I don't like when he uses a big(ger :neverusethis:) picture with only a few alterations, which I'm assuming will be the Majesty logo unless there will be something else in the sky.
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I understand. I disagree (since this is precisely the type of thing for which stock photos exist), but I understand.
It just occurred to me what nice piece of information they could give us that is not more artwork or more music: Songwriting credits, particularly lyric writing credits.
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If the artwork represented the amount of effort that went into the music then Hugh Syme and AX7 would be a perfect match.
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If the artwork represented the amount of effort that went into the music then Hugh Syme and AX7 would be a perfect match.
I agree. Sadly.
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I was just about to watch The Dark Knight :o
I was just listening to The Dark Eternal (k)Night!* :o
NUUUUGGGGGEEEEETTTZZZZZZZZ
*No I Wasn't
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:lol
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Well, I don't mind when he uses a mix of elements of stock images, you know? Some few pieces... But I don't like when he uses a big(ger :neverusethis:) picture with only a few alterations, which I'm assuming will be the Majesty logo unless there will be something else in the sky.
I'm expecting the Majesty symbol and a badly photoshopped bird :biggrin:
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Which doesn't match the lighting of the surrounding picture.
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(https://i.imgur.com/foJtKiJ.jpg)
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WOW WHAT IS THIS? MAJESTY SYMBOL? I'VE NEVER EXPECTED THIS!
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;D No one expected this...
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No one expects the Spanish inquisition.
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No one expects the Spanish inquisition.
:rollin
In all seriousness though, that's an incredibly lazy piece of work, even by Symes' standards.
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Something about the alignment of the majesty symbol looks horribly off
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Even though I was defending Syme a half page ago, I'm going to have to agree. The angle at which it is being projected out of the window makes no sense compared to the way it appears on the clouds.
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yeah, I guess Syme didn't pay attention in physics during highschool...
I still kinda dig the theme of this though, cause of my inner love for everything Batman.
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"Unfortunately the immutable laws of physics contradict the whole premise of [Syme's artwork]..."
Why not just hide the light source behind some skyscrapers in a skyline composition that is more flat instead of dealing with perspectives. Or is that too blatant a mimicry of Batman?
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Even though I was defending Syme a half page ago, I'm going to have to agree. The angle at which it is being projected out of the window makes no sense compared to the way it appears on the clouds.
That's what I was trying to say one page ago! :D
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More lazy work, but not unexpected.
Executed better, I would have taken something like that (as a general idea) for the cover tbh.
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Do you guys think that MP may have also acted as quality control? It seems there've been far more errors now with artwork than there was prior to his departure. Not trying to start anything, just thinking.
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Odd to see a pic I used as my desktop wallpaper several years ago now as part of DT12 album art. Well, at least the majesty symbol is new.:lol
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That's what I was trying to say one page ago! :D
Well, I was talking more about the fact that according to angle of the beam coming out of the projector, the light is moving to the left and toward the front, but the way the Majesty symbol is angled on the clouds it looks like it would had the light been moving left and toward the back (essentially the beam makes it seem like the logo is between the projector and the viewer, but the logo makes it seem like the projector is between the logo and the viewer).
But yeah, what you were pointing out also makes utterly no sense.
Oh Hugh.
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BUT HE MADE THOSE RUSH COVERS ONCE
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Yes, he did rush those covers :neverusethis:
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BUT HE MADE THOSE RUSH COVERS ONCE
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_33.jpg)
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Yes, he did rush those covers :neverusethis:
:neverusethis:
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Yes, he did rush those covers :neverusethis:
:rollin
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I guess he had to work harder in those days. The Grace Under Pressure album cover is a thing of beauty and the best thing he's ever done. That seems a long time ago.
it's lazy, sloppy stuff these days though.
Find someone hungry for the next cover ffs.
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Haha....I had a feeling people were honna say something about the projection being off.
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What's up with the Majesty symbol in the projection? It looks different.
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Even though I was defending Syme a half page ago, I'm going to have to agree. The angle at which it is being projected out of the window makes no sense compared to the way it appears on the clouds.
But that's how it would look in real life. I agree that the light source shouldn't be both bright like it's shining in your eyes and at the same time pointing somewhere else. But as for how it's on the clouds, that's fine. The "surface" of the clouds aren't going to be exactly perpendicular to the beam. The angle of the symbol is completely dependent on the geometry of the cloud and independent of the angle of the beam.
The picture is still kind of lazy. I just want the criticism to go where it's most deserved.
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What's up with the Majesty symbol in the projection? It looks different.
Looks to me that it is upside down.
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What's up with the Majesty symbol in the projection? It looks different.
Looks to me that it is upside down.
Looks to be right side up, to me.
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So I've thought the criticism of the images up to this point has been way overblown and actually quite liked it all but this bat symbol thing is wayyyy too cheesy for my tastes.
It'd be different if it were a bunch of spotlights like it was a big premiere but beckoning a specific comic book character is a little much.
With that said, this doesn't affect much of anything and I'm still pumped for the album. One weird piece of somewhat lazy artwork based on a cheesy concept is nothing.
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But that's how it would look in real life. I agree that the light source shouldn't be both bright like it's shining in your eyes and at the same time pointing somewhere else. But as for how it's on the clouds, that's fine. The "surface" of the clouds aren't going to be exactly perpendicular to the beam. The angle of the symbol is completely dependent on the geometry of the cloud and independent of the angle of the beam.
The picture is still kind of lazy. I just want the criticism to go where it's most deserved.
What you're saying is that the clouds closer to us are higher than the ones farther away, which changes the angle of the Majesty logo? I can sort of see it, though you have to admit on first glance it looks like an error.
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Well if you're talking about how the symbol looks compared to the clouds, I can see where you'd have problems. I thought people were saying that the symbol angle looks off compared to the angle of the beam.
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I don't think people would care as much if the band wasn't doing these ridiculous ART TEASERS
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Well if you're talking about how the symbol looks compared to the clouds, I can see where you'd have problems. I thought people were saying that the symbol angle looks off compared to the angle of the beam.
That was what I was initially talking about. To me, your explanation of why that's not a problem implied that the clouds are layered in such a way that the logo faces the viewer.
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Eh. I'm a huge nerd so I'm okay with insinuating that Dream Theater is the band we need, but not the band we deserve.
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JP: Hey guys, we should do something cool for the fans before the album comes out. What should we do?
JLB: Hmmmmm. Song teasers?
JP: Nahhh, we did that last year.
JMX: Give them each... a free bass?
JP: ...
JR: How about album art teasers?
MM: Yeah!
JP: Good idea! They'll love that!!
*releases album art*
Fans:
"It fucking sucks!"
"Hugh Syme is so damn lazy"
"Why do they keep going with Syme?!"
:lol
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JP: Hey guys, we should do something cool for the fans before the album comes out. What should we do?
MM: Yeah!
JLB: Hmmmmm. Song teasers?
MM: Yeah!!
JP: Nahhh, we did that last year.
JMX: Give them each... a free bass?
MM: Yeah!!!
JP: ...
JR: How about album art teasers?
MM: Yeah!!!!!
JP: Good idea! They'll love that!!
I think it went more like this, a better representation of MM's positive character.
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I just can imagine Mangini's face excited with the whole situation :lol
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So, uh, if you buy the vinyl on Amazon, do you still get the digital files? How?
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So, uh, if you buy the vinyl on Amazon, do you still get the digital files? How?
There will probably be a redemption code included.
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Redemption for humanity code? :neverusethis:
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Redemption for you manatee code? :neverusethis:
FTFY
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Just dropping by to say:
lolsymelol
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JP: Hey guys, we should do something cool for the fans before the album comes out. What should we do?
JLB: Hmmmmm. Song teasers?
JP: Nahhh, we did that last year.
JMX: Give them each... a free bass?
JP: ...
JR: How about album art teasers?
MM: Yeah!
JP: Good idea! They'll love that!!
*releases album art*
Fans:
"It fucking sucks!"
"Hugh Syme is so damn lazy"
"Why do they keep going with Syme?!"
:lol
JP: Hey guys, we should do something cool for the fans before the album comes out. What should we do?
MM: Yeah!
JLB: Hmmmmm. Song teasers?
MM: Yeah!!
JP: Nahhh, we did that last year.
JMX: Give them each... a free bass?
MM: Yeah!!!
JP: ...
JR: How about album art teasers?
MM: Yeah!!!!!
JP: Good idea! They'll love that!!
I think it went more like this, a better representation of MM's positive character.
:lol
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They are heroes in my eyes.
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I'm actually wondering right now if many people will have to completely redo their Top-50 lists after the new album is released :lol
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Redemption for the manatee? :neverusethis:
FTFJLB
I'm actually wondering right now if many people will have to completely redo their Top-50 lists after the new album is released :lol
I would guess so. We know the album is supposed to be good, and good albums are made of good songs!
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good albums are made of good songs!
Wasteland, would you mind me using this phrase of yours in my sig?
B.Lee
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good albums are made of good songs!
(https://i.qkme.me/3p5pl6.jpg)
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:lol
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good albums are made of good songs!
Wasteland, would you mind me using this phrase of yours in my sig?
B.Lee
Why, alright. If like there to be a Ralph-level statement of the obvious :lol
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Eh. I'm a huge nerd so I'm okay with insinuating that Dream Theater is the band we need, but not the band we deserve.
Well done :lol
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Eh. I'm a huge nerd so I'm okay with insinuating that Dream Theater is the band we need, but not the band we deserve.
Well done :lol
Thanks! I was rather proud of that. :biggrin:
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Eh. I'm a huge nerd so I'm okay with insinuating that Dream Theater is the band we need, but not the band we deserve.
Well done :lol
Thanks! I was rather proud of that. :biggrin:
Nerd wit + DT = Winning at life
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Thanks! I was rather proud of that. :biggrin:
Nerd wit + DT = Winning at life
This whole exchange just made my day. I'm glad to know some people enjoy my humor.
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Wondering if this will be the third straight week with no major news, snippets, etc.
Ah well, we're getting pretty close now. Soon enough we'll all be hearing it in full.
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(https://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l141/phil12323/Spoon.jpg) (https://s95.photobucket.com/user/phil12323/media/Spoon.jpg.html)
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:lol
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Wondering if this will be the third straight week with no major news, snippets, etc.
Ah well, we're getting pretty close now. Soon enough we'll all be hearing it in full.
News are never late, emtee. Nor they are early. They arrive precisely when they intend to.
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I really expected another song to be released by now.
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Only 20 days left! :tup
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:flame: :soon:
Nah i'm good. A little under three weeks to go.
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The new Haken will hold me over.
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The new Haken will hold me over.
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I'm not sure that The Mountain is just a small release that will hold us over until DT12. This is going to be a proper fight of two giants :hefdaddy
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From what I've heard it's pretty bad. Lots of droning vocals with no hooks or standout passages.
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:|
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New James interview: https://rockyourlife.fr/interview/english/dream-theater-19-08-13
Interesting information about the lyrical content of the album. Also revealed is that JMX wrote "Surrender to Reason," and James did not write any lyrics this time around.
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Wondering if this will be the third straight week with no major news, snippets, etc.
Ah well, we're getting pretty close now. Soon enough we'll all be hearing it in full.
News are never late, emtee. Nor they are early. They arrive precisely when they intend to.
:lol :lol :lol
Also as if I needed another reason to look forward to Surrender to Reason, now we know JMX wrote it! :caffeine:
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The link doesn't seem to be working.
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So if my calculations are correct, if JMX wrote one, and JLB wrote none, and there are 2 instrumentals, JP wrote lyrics for 6 songs?
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I'm getting a server error.
Edit - worked after two refreshes.
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Was JLB demoted?
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Seems a bit of a shame, after he'd gone on record as saying he was very keen to write more lyrics on the next album. Wonder how that went down.
One of my favourite things about Petrucci Theater is how every single band member has a voice. Rudess is no longer the "hired gun," John Myung has a lot to contribute, and Mangini is set to absolutely floor us in drum world this time round. Brilliant to have JM back in the lyrical mix, but it's a bit of a shame that James hasn't had anything to add this album, for whatever reason.
ETA: Aha! Thing's loaded. It's cos he just did his solo album. That makes sense. Excellent! I'm happy with that answer.
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I'm definitely hoping that they'll transition from FAS straight into TEI as the first song they play. That would be awesome and a good way to get the crowd pumped up.
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From the interview:
(https://i.imgur.com/4ivuo8H.jpg)
Do you think it'll be a part of BTV's lyrics?
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From the interview:
(https://i.imgur.com/4ivuo8H.jpg)
Do you think it'll be a part of BTV's lyrics?
I think some variation of that will probably make it into the song. I don't know if it'll be that precisely.
Am I the only one who's so happy that James listens to Switchfoot and Two Door Cinema Club? :squee:
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Was JLB demoted?
no. in the interview he states he didn't want to write any this time because he felt fulfilled writing lyrics for his latest solo album which was going on at the same time, even tho JP asked him to.
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I can see the interview now. His head was still into 'solo' album headspace so he backed away. Interesting.
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So if my calculations are correct, if JMX wrote one, and JLB wrote none, and there are 2 instrumentals, JP wrote lyrics for 6 songs?
Or some JR/MM lyrics? :O
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So if my calculations are correct, if JMX wrote one, and JLB wrote none, and there are 2 instrumentals, JP wrote lyrics for 6 songs?
Or some JR/MM lyrics? :O
I'd love to see them contributing lyrics and add some variety, although I personally think the chances of that are very low.
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So if my calculations are correct, if JMX wrote one, and JLB wrote none, and there are 2 instrumentals, JP wrote lyrics for 6 songs?
Or some JR/MM lyrics? :O
Yeah. Songs about electronics and math. :tup
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New James interview: https://rockyourlife.fr/interview/english/dream-theater-19-08-13
Interesting information about the lyrical content of the album. Also revealed is that JMX wrote "Surrender to Reason," and James did not write any lyrics this time around.
:'(
James has written some of my favorite lyrics in the band's catalog.
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So if my calculations are correct, if JMX wrote one, and JLB wrote none, and there are 2 instrumentals, JP wrote lyrics for 6 songs?
Or some JR/MM lyrics? :O
Yeah. Songs about electronics and math. :tup
Well we know Mangini's lyrics would have a really cool toooooooneeeee. :neverusethis:
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Great interview! :tup James mentioned 6 bands I've never heard of, he's such a hipster... :lol
So I think doing “A Dramatic Turn Of Events” has proved that “yes we are, we are the same band and we’re continuing this, sort of speak, musical movement that we’ve created and that we’ll continue to create” but at the same time, we’re on a new plane, feeling re-spirited you know
:neverusethis:
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It's really weird that JLB mentioned the Cleveland kidnappings because they found the guy dead in his cell this morning
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James mentioned 6 bands I've never heard of, he's such a hipster... :lol
I got so excited because I've heard all but two of those bands. It's like we have some kind of connection! :heart
It's really weird that JLB mentioned the Cleveland kidnappings because they found the guy dead in his cell this morning
I wasn't sure if he was referring to those. Definitely coincidental timing. :mehlin
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Yeah, I think he was at least.
I guess you could say it's a dramatic turn of events.......
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Well, that was a cool interview with James, we got a little more discussion around the songs themselves! No JLB lyrics kinda stinks, but I wouldn't read into it at all, he clearly stated that he wrote enough lyrics for his solo record and he felt comfortable taking a step back from writing lyrics on the new DT because of that.
Really looking forward to hearing "Surrender to Reason" now more than ever!
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New James interview: https://rockyourlife.fr/interview/english/dream-theater-19-08-13
Interesting information about the lyrical content of the album. Also revealed is that JMX wrote "Surrender to Reason," and James did not write any lyrics this time around.
:'(
James has written some of my favorite lyrics in the band's catalog.
^ this, but I am beyond psyched by his description of Surrender To Reason.
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"Dream Theater // John & James Answer Your Questions Part 2" just posted on RR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HndNXkeZQr8
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THE GUYS ARE HAVING GREAT FUN !!! and we are as well :biggrin:
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The background music interferes with JP's answers especially at around 2:35... the guitar solo literally demands attention over JP's words, you get sucked in the song
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Spoiler alert for those who don't want to hear The Enemy Inside just yet, it's played throughout the video.
Great video though.
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"Dream Theater // John & James Answer Your Questions Part 2" just posted on RR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HndNXkeZQr8
JLB likes August Burns Red? Wow. :metal
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I find these videos very entertaining. It's really fun to hear JP and JLP messin around.
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It'd be interesting to see some Rudess/Mangini lyrics, maybe with Petrucci helping them (IIRC I remember JMX saying Petrucci usually helped him)
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I just loved how John described The Illumination Theory on that video! :metal
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I belive it's pretty much accepted that the album will definitely rock. And that without hearing more than one song. :D
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Is there a link that works in Germany?
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Cool interview, but I expected lyrics from him in this new record. Too bad we'll see it only in the next one.
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Is there a link that works in Germany?
:censored
Could someone please summarize the important information for us?
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more importantly, can someone please enhance that framed picture behind them in the interview? ;D
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I just loved how John described The Illumination Theory on that video! :metal
Me too, I'm absolutely pumped about the song after this video. Also, I have never heard of half the bands James named. :lol
Great interview with James as well. :tup
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Who's JPs nephew?
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If you guys haven't listened to Two Door Cinema Club or Young the Giant, I recommend checking them out. They both have really great vocalists. They get played on the alternative station out of Philadelphia, and they both have some massively good songs.
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Who's JPs nephew?
Jake Bowen. One of the guitarists for the band Periphery.
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Thank you.
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Just watched that video again, what does JP whisper at 0:43?
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So... um... who else hates The Enemy Inside?
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Yeah, it sucks.
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Yeah, it sucks.
:lol
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LaBrie could use some Beach House and Vampire Weekend latest releases then, as he likes some indie pop...
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Cool interview, but I expected lyrics from him in this new record. Too bad we'll see it only in the next one.
I wanted at least 3 lyrical contributions from him considering the last record he only got to do one...and its the slow song I always skip.
I'm still excited for the record but man, if this is the quintessential DT album then it should have some JLB lyrics
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If he didn't feel that he had anything to bring then I think it's right that he chose to save it all for his solo band. Otherwise we might have ended up with another Prophets of War. :P
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If he didn't feel that he had anything to bring then I think it's right that he chose to save it all for his solo band. Otherwise we might have ended up with another Prophets of War. :P
...and thats fine by me!
But he didn't even write very many lyrics for the last "solo" album. I hate to pull a "never enough" here but damn it, I'm a fan and I want more JLB lyrics!
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Cool interview, but I expected lyrics from him in this new record. Too bad we'll see it only in the next one.
Not necessarily, I remember an interview during the Dramatic Turn cycle where Labrie said he submitted lyrics to like 4 songs, but Petrucci decided to only use 1 and write the rest himself.
Can't find the link now, does anyone else remember this?
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If he didn't feel that he had anything to bring then I think it's right that he chose to save it all for his solo band. Otherwise we might have ended up with another Prophets of War. :P
...and thats fine by me!
But he didn't even write very many lyrics for the last "solo" album. I hate to pull a "never enough" here but damn it, I'm a fan and I want more JLB lyrics!
I think he wrote lyrics to 5 of the songs, if I remember rightly, which is pretty good.
@duncan: Not sure it was as many as 4, but yeah there was definitely an interview where he explained that he submitted lyrics to another song or two that were ultimately not taken up.
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Just watched that video again, what does JP whisper at 0:43?
I think it's "fuck that". Joking about the acoustic album.
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If he didn't feel that he had anything to bring then I think it's right that he chose to save it all for his solo band. Otherwise we might have ended up with another Prophets of War. :P
...and thats fine by me!
But he didn't even write very many lyrics for the last "solo" album. I hate to pull a "never enough" here but damn it, I'm a fan and I want more JLB lyrics!
I think he wrote lyrics to 5 of the songs, if I remember rightly, which is pretty good.
@duncan: Not sure it was as many as 4, but yeah there was definitely an interview where he explained that he submitted lyrics to another song or two that were ultimately not taken up.
If I remember correctly it was a foreign interview and I only read somebody's quick translation of that one part. I think it was 4 or at least 3...obviously only one was chosen. Thankfully JP's lyrics were excellent on that album. BC&SL on the other hand....
Kinda sucks James didn't take my advice when I met him which was, "Please write more lyrics!"
Anyway, you were right, he wrote 5 of 14 for his solo album which is 36%...not even half. Thankfully, again, Guillory's lyrics were killer so I'm not too upset I guess
01: Agony (LaBrie)
02: Undertow (Guillory)
03: Slight Of Hand (LaBrie)
04: Back On The Ground (Guillory)
05: I Got You (Guillory)
06: Holding On (Guillory)
07: Lost In The Fire (Guillory/Lundin)
08: Letting Go (LaBrie)
09: Destined To Burn (LaBrie)
10: Say You're Still Mine (Lundin)
11: Amnesia (Guillory)
12: I Will Not Break (LaBrie)
Bonus Tracks:
13: Unraveling (Guillory/Lundin)
14: Why (Guillory)
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I know James said he didn't wanna write any lyrics this time, but I think he should....he should do at least 2 per album IMO.
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I'm both concerned and excited for Illumination theory now. I'm not sure what to think of the description of the middle section that is not musical but just sounds (i.e. birds and other things). It could work, but I worry it will turn into a several minutes section I'll want to skip over after the first few listens.
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I'm both concerned and excited for Illumination theory now. I'm not sure what to think of the description of the middle section that is not musical but just sounds (i.e. birds and other things). It could work, but I worry it will turn into a several minutes section I'll want to skip over after the first few listens.
Well, if it happens, you could always edit and shorten it, right?
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I'm both concerned and excited for Illumination theory now. I'm not sure what to think of the description of the middle section that is not musical but just sounds (i.e. birds and other things). It could work, but I worry it will turn into a several minutes section I'll want to skip over after the first few listens.
We'll just have to see. It could go either way. It sounds like a difficult thing to pull off smack in the middle of a song, but we shall see. It's possible it could be great, but it will simply depend upon the execution. No reason to be concerned by that at this point. It's probably not even for that long if it's there.
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I imagine it would sort of be like the middle part of TCOT from 11:00 to 14:20. Almost 3 and a half minutes of slow, not quite "music" noise and it doesn't really hurt the song, at least in my opinion.
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I imagine it would sort of be like the middle part of TCOT from 11:00 to 14:20. Almost 3 and a half minutes of slow, not quite "music" noise and it doesn't really hurt the song, at least in my opinion.
Any similarity this section of Illuminate Theory bears to the middle part of TCOT is legitimate cause for concern.
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no
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I imagine it would sort of be like the middle part of TCOT from 11:00 to 14:20. Almost 3 and a half minutes of slow, not quite "music" noise and it doesn't really hurt the song, at least in my opinion.
Any similarity this section of Illuminate Theory bears to the middle part of TCOT is legitimate cause for extreme excitement.
FTFM.
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I like that part of TCOT, it's really melancholic and I think it did something new for DT at the time.
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I like that part of TCOT, it's really melancholic and I think it did something new for DT at the time.
See the intro to Octavarium. The biggest difference is the placement.
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Well, now we know John Myung wrote the lyrics to Surrender to Reason
:caffeine:
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Well, now we know John Myung wrote the lyrics to Surrender to Reason
:caffeine:
Surrender to Reason has become my personal most anticipated song off this album-- really can't wait for it.
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I like that part of TCOT, it's really melancholic and I think it did something new for DT at the time.
See the intro to Octavarium. The biggest difference is the placement.
I know many people feel the mellow bit of TCOT killed the pacing of the song, but I feel that's exactly what was intended. It's not meant to be a "small break" before the finale of the song, but rather the highlight of the song. And for me, it is super emotional. After the rush and the drama of the first 10 minutes, the character finally faces death. I feel like I'm floating in space. At peace. Not a care in the world. The character is facing death. And what does he feel? Serenity. Then, once I'm fully sedated by this mellow passage, an acoustic guitar brings me slowly back out of my acceptance of death. It's like a human voice that is saying "I know you've accepted this fate, but this is not the time for you to go".
That.... might have been the cheesiest description of a song I've ever put to words :-\
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I laughed harder than I should have at "Melodius Monk". :rollin
Some really cool bits in the interview and video, it's cool to see them having fun. I also agree with JLB on the idea of an acoustic album, I don't like the idea of them putting limitations on themselves.
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WTF!! :omg:
This is on Wikipedia:
No. Title Lyrics Length
1. "False Awakening Suite" (instrumental) 12:42
2. "The Enemy Inside" John Petrucci 6:17
3. "The Looking Glass" Petrucci 4:53
4. "Enigma Machine" (instrumental) 6:02
5. "The Bigger Picture" Petrucci 7:41
6. "Behind the Veil" Petrucci 6:53
7. "Surrender to Reason" John Myung 6:35
8. "Along for the Ride" Petrucci 4:45
9. "Illumination Theory" Petrucci 22:18
Album Length: 78:06
I'd assume they did a mistake.. Just like Aquiles Priester... This can't be right... Or they added 10 more FAS minutes just for the final version??...
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Obviously fake..
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That's BS. It is wikipedia, after all. Anyone can add crap like that.
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Clearly fake. We would have heard from Noxon or one of the other people who has heard the album if there was such a discrepancy.
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Not sure why everyone is exclaiming "fake", when it could simply be a typo, the other track lengths I believe are correct.
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Uh, a typo doesn't make it any less fake. :huh:
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Not sure why everyone is exclaiming "fake", when it could simply be a typo, the other track lengths I believe are correct.
'Cause people are super intense in these parts during these days.
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Uh, a typo doesn't make it any less fake. :huh:
Typically, when folks post "fake" as a response, it implies there's a deliberate attempt to troll or be a hoax. Not an accident.
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Not sure why everyone is exclaiming "fake", when it could simply be a typo, the other track lengths I believe are correct.
It was correct, but someone purposefully changed it, and changed the album length to match.
Fake.
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I stand corrected ;D
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I know many people feel the mellow bit of TCOT killed the pacing of the song, but I feel that's exactly what was intended. It's not meant to be a "small break" before the finale of the song, but rather the highlight of the song. And for me, it is super emotional. After the rush and the drama of the first 10 minutes, the character finally faces death. I feel like I'm floating in space. At peace. Not a care in the world. The character is facing death. And what does he feel? Serenity. Then, once I'm fully sedated by this mellow passage, an acoustic guitar brings me slowly back out of my acceptance of death. It's like a human voice that is saying "I know you've accepted this fate, but this is not the time for you to go".
That.... might have been the cheesiest description of a song I've ever put to words :-\
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
You, sir, are my hero.
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WTF!! :omg:
This is on Wikipedia:
No. Title Lyrics Length
1. "False Awakening Suite" (instrumental) 12:42
2. "The Enemy Inside" John Petrucci 6:17
3. "The Looking Glass" Petrucci 4:53
4. "Enigma Machine" (instrumental) 6:02
5. "The Bigger Picture" Petrucci 7:41
6. "Behind the Veil" Petrucci 6:53
7. "Surrender to Reason" John Myung 6:35
8. "Along for the Ride" Petrucci 4:45
9. "Illumination Theory" Petrucci 22:18
Album Length: 78:06
I'd assume they did a mistake.. Just like Aquiles Priester... This can't be right... Or they added 10 more FAS minutes just for the final version??...
What the heck does that mean?
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Maybe the +10 minutes for FAS ist their easter egg :D
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@Super Dude - I think it means that Aquiles made a mistake in his audition.
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WTF!! :omg:
This is on Wikipedia:
No. Title Lyrics Length
1. "False Awakening Suite" (instrumental) 12:42
2. "The Enemy Inside" John Petrucci 6:17
3. "The Looking Glass" Petrucci 4:53
4. "Enigma Machine" (instrumental) 6:02
5. "The Bigger Picture" Petrucci 7:41
6. "Behind the Veil" Petrucci 6:53
7. "Surrender to Reason" John Myung 6:35
8. "Along for the Ride" Petrucci 4:45
9. "Illumination Theory" Petrucci 22:18
Album Length: 78:06
I'd assume they did a mistake.. Just like Aquiles Priester... This can't be right... Or they added 10 more FAS minutes just for the final version??...
What the heck does that mean?
Probably just a joking reference to his error-filled audition after which he said "I made some mistake."
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:lol Imagine if DT used that in some lyrics....
" Nobody is perfect - Not even the genie.
We all make mistake - like Lang & Aquiles Priestie. "
" We're all human except Mike the magician
Lang wants a band - well keep on wishin' "
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Regarding the interview; I still want to know who the two people in that picture on the wall are. :|
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They've just added 1 to the original song lenght: 2:42
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My guess is someone messed up and put a 1 in front of 2:42. Isn't that approximately the length that was confirmed for FAS?
Edit: Ninja'd by literally everyone. :lol
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Oh, if only FAS could be actually 12:42 min long :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I want SOC 2!
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I'd assume they did a mistake.. Just like Aquiles Priester
What the heck does that mean?
Probably just a joking reference to his error-filled audition after which he said "I made some mistake."
Yeah, it was just that.. But actually he did say: "and I did some mistake, of course..." which me laughed a lot, and then the JR face >:(... haha, epic moment...
Anyway, back to the wiki's tracklist... Leaving aside the lenght, for sure an error.. The column with the lyric writers.......
"False Awakening Suite" (instrumental)
"The Enemy Inside" John Petrucci
"The Looking Glass" Petrucci
"Enigma Machine" (instrumental)
"The Bigger Picture" Petrucci
"Behind the Veil" Petrucci
"Surrender to Reason" John Myung
"Along for the Ride" Petrucci
"Illumination Theory" Petrucci
There's no Pirate on it!!... I think maybe we don't have to trust in this source after all, due to the other fault.. Do we?
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Anyway, back to the wiki's tracklist... Leaving aside the lenght, for sure an error.. The column with the lyric writers.......
"False Awakening Suite" (instrumental)
"The Enemy Inside" John Petrucci
"The Looking Glass" Petrucci
"Enigma Machine" (instrumental)
"The Bigger Picture" Petrucci
"Behind the Veil" Petrucci
"Surrender to Reason" John Myung
"Along for the Ride" Petrucci
"Illumination Theory" Petrucci
There's no Pirate on it!!... I think maybe we don't have to trust in this source after all, due to the other fault.. Do we?
JLB has confirmed in a recent interview that he did not write any lyrics for this album.
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DT12...Brought to you by the Johns.
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I like that part of TCOT, it's really melancholic and I think it did something new for DT at the time.
See the intro to Octavarium. The biggest difference is the placement.
I know many people feel the mellow bit of TCOT killed the pacing of the song, but I feel that's exactly what was intended. It's not meant to be a "small break" before the finale of the song, but rather the highlight of the song. And for me, it is super emotional. After the rush and the drama of the first 10 minutes, the character finally faces death. I feel like I'm floating in space. At peace. Not a care in the world. The character is facing death. And what does he feel? Serenity. Then, once I'm fully sedated by this mellow passage, an acoustic guitar brings me slowly back out of my acceptance of death. It's like a human voice that is saying "I know you've accepted this fate, but this is not the time for you to go".
That.... might have been the cheesiest description of a song I've ever put to words :-\
I see that part as The Count leaving him alone in the dark church-like area while he goes and checks on something, and those swells/noises are things he hears like water dripping and his thoughts.
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I like that part of TCOT, it's really melancholic and I think it did something new for DT at the time.
See the intro to Octavarium. The biggest difference is the placement.
I know many people feel the mellow bit of TCOT killed the pacing of the song, but I feel that's exactly what was intended. It's not meant to be a "small break" before the finale of the song, but rather the highlight of the song. And for me, it is super emotional. After the rush and the drama of the first 10 minutes, the character finally faces death. I feel like I'm floating in space. At peace. Not a care in the world. The character is facing death. And what does he feel? Serenity. Then, once I'm fully sedated by this mellow passage, an acoustic guitar brings me slowly back out of my acceptance of death. It's like a human voice that is saying "I know you've accepted this fate, but this is not the time for you to go".
That.... might have been the cheesiest description of a song I've ever put to words :-\
I see that part as The Count leaving him alone in the dark church-like area while he goes and checks on something, and those swells/noises are things he hears like water dripping and his thoughts.
I'm with you m0hawk.
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Anyway, back to the wiki's tracklist... Leaving aside the lenght, for sure an error.. The column with the lyric writers.......
"False Awakening Suite" (instrumental)
"The Enemy Inside" John Petrucci
"The Looking Glass" Petrucci
"Enigma Machine" (instrumental)
"The Bigger Picture" Petrucci
"Behind the Veil" Petrucci
"Surrender to Reason" John Myung
"Along for the Ride" Petrucci
"Illumination Theory" Petrucci
There's no Pirate on it!!... I think maybe we don't have to trust in this source after all, due to the other fault.. Do we?
Except: won't Surrender to Reason likely be credited to Myung and Petrucci for the same reason Breaking All Illusions was?
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I hope not..
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Why not? ??? JP (as well as KevMo and MP back in the day) has always helped JM make the lyrics fit the songs, but it wasn't until 2011 that JM thought JP deserved a co-writing credit.
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Interesting... I would have thought Labrie would have taken a track to pen some lyrics.
I guess it's understandable though because he just released a solo album.
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I hope not..
You do understand that the reason for this is that Petrucci wrote the melodies and fit the lyrics to the song? As ? said, it's the same thing they've always done with Myung's lyrics, they just changed the system for assigning lyric credits. If Learning to Live or Trial of Tears was written today they would be credited to Myung/Petrucci (or possibly with Portnoy or Moore or LaBrie, depending on who specifically formatted those lyrics). BAI is basically "words by Myung, edited by Petrucci". I'm assuming STR will the same.
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How can Labrie call his albums his solo stuff when he doesn't write all the lyrics and doesn't write the music??
Surely it's just another band in which he is the singer?
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Matt went over it in the James Labrie thread. They go with James Labrie as it's more immediately noticeable than coming up with a band name. And I mean, isn't it practically the same thing as Ozzy, only Labrie is more involved and not drugged out :lol? Doesn't really bother me.
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I think "solo" albums that were written entirely or mostly by the "solo" artist are the exception rather than the rule.
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^ This. It's particularly true when the solo artist is a singer and not an instrumentalist. John Petrucci wrote his entire solo album, which was pretty heavily dominated by guitar, but it would be a lot harder for James to do that, particularly since he does not play an instrument.
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Perhaps they could have done something like
" James Labris's MullMuzzlers "
so it's best of both.
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James is a trained singer, but as far as I know he can't play any instrument seriously and has little if any theoretical background. That doesn't make him any less of a musician, though, I'm sure we all agree on this, and it doesn't mean his input is solely limited to the lyric/melody phase either.
It has been stated that the JLB solo project is a collaboration between James and Matt, with Matt being the primary composer but with the creative control being firmly in James's hands as well as in Matt's. They have an intense email exchange of demos, pieces of songs, recorded melodies, lyric suggestions and whatnot going on during the writing phase of their records, and James plays always an instrumental role in defining the song to the ultimate shape we are presented, with either suggestions, alterations or simply aknowledgement. This is hardly the level of involvement of a simple "singer" for somebody else's band.
So, I would say, his solo albums are definitely "his stuff" as well as they are "Matt's stuff".
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Perhaps they could have done something like
" James Labris's MullMuzzlers "
so it's best of both.
James Labries's Melodious Wonders
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One of the most well known "solo" musicians, Ozzy Osbourne, doesn't write ANY lyrics or music with the exception of most of the vocal melodies.
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Am I the only one not surprised that JLB didn't do any lyrics? With his recent solo album I wasn't expecting him to contribute lyrics, honestly.
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Don't know if anyone's done the math, but the average length of FAS parts is 54 seconds.
:corn
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Too bad they aren't 58 seconds ;D ;D
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Don't know if anyone's done the math, but the average length of FAS parts is 54 seconds.
:corn
Good! That's new. I prefer new.
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Too bad they aren't 58 seconds ;D ;D
Hey...one of the parts could be that long....
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I hope not..
You do understand that the reason for this is that Petrucci wrote the melodies and fit the lyrics to the song? As ? said, it's the same thing they've always done with Myung's lyrics, they just changed the system for assigning lyric credits. If Learning to Live or Trial of Tears was written today they would be credited to Myung/Petrucci (or possibly with Portnoy or Moore or LaBrie, depending on who specifically formatted those lyrics). BAI is basically "words by Myung, edited by Petrucci". I'm assuming STR will the same.
Yeah, I understand that, I knew it long time ago... But I hope they don't do the same this time around.. I didn't like the "Lyrics by John Myung and John Petrucci", when JP had credit for other 7 songs.. I just never like that.. That's all..
OTOH, we'll never know (I guess) exactly how was the BAI lyric process, neither what happen with Caught in a Web, whether the same befall that occasion or not.. (JP helping JLB or they actually writing together).. Or in the case of Take the Time, and the others JM's lyrics...
Being the only one written by JM (whatever the way), they should credit only him.. JP has already other 6 songs...
Now I'm not sure about this: it's even important if JP is credit or not?.. (I mean it's profitably relevant) Or it's just an statistic?...
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Yeah, I understand that, I knew it long time ago... But I hope they don't do the same this time around.. I didn't like the "Lyrics by John Myung and John Petrucci", when JP had credit for other 7 songs.. I just never like that.. That's all..
OTOH, we'll never know (I guess) exactly how was the BAI lyric process, neither what happen with Caught in a Web, whether the same befall that occasion or not.. (JP helping JLB or they actually writing together).. Or in the case of Take the Time, and the others JM's lyrics...
Being the only one written by JM (whatever the way), they should credit only him.. JP has already other 6 songs...
Now I'm not sure about this: it's even important if JP is credit or not?.. (I mean it's profitably relevant) Or it's just an statistic?...
I don't really understand this. If JP contributed at all to how the final song ends up, then why wouldn't he get credit? Why wouldn't you want him to? I could absolutely be missing something here, and if I am please explain.
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^ This. It's particularly true when the solo artist is a singer and not an instrumentalist. John Petrucci wrote his entire solo album, which was pretty heavily dominated by guitar, but it would be a lot harder for James to do that, particularly since he does not play an instrument.
WRONG.
4:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6k1VdgNeKE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6k1VdgNeKE)
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I hope not..
You do understand that the reason for this is that Petrucci wrote the melodies and fit the lyrics to the song? As ? said, it's the same thing they've always done with Myung's lyrics, they just changed the system for assigning lyric credits. If Learning to Live or Trial of Tears was written today they would be credited to Myung/Petrucci (or possibly with Portnoy or Moore or LaBrie, depending on who specifically formatted those lyrics). BAI is basically "words by Myung, edited by Petrucci". I'm assuming STR will the same.
Yeah, I understand that, I knew it long time ago... But I hope they don't do the same this time around.. I didn't like the "Lyrics by John Myung and John Petrucci", when JP had credit for other 7 songs.. I just never like that.. That's all..
OTOH, we'll never know (I guess) exactly how was the BAI lyric process, neither what happen with Caught in a Web, whether the same befall that occasion or not.. (JP helping JLB or they actually writing together).. Or in the case of Take the Time, and the others JM's lyrics...
Being the only one written by JM (whatever the way), they should credit only him.. JP has already other 6 songs...
Now I'm not sure about this: it's even important if JP is credit or not?.. (I mean it's profitably relevant) Or it's just an statistic?...
So John Petrucci shouldn't be credited for helping write the lyrics even though he helped write the lyrics because... he also wrote a bunch of other lyrics?
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Yeah, I understand that, I knew it long time ago... But I hope they don't do the same this time around.. I didn't like the "Lyrics by John Myung and John Petrucci", when JP had credit for other 7 songs.. I just never like that.. That's all..
OTOH, we'll never know (I guess) exactly how was the BAI lyric process, neither what happen with Caught in a Web, whether the same befall that occasion or not.. (JP helping JLB or they actually writing together).. Or in the case of Take the Time, and the others JM's lyrics...
Being the only one written by JM (whatever the way), they should credit only him.. JP has already other 6 songs...
Now I'm not sure about this: it's even important if JP is credit or not?.. (I mean it's profitably relevant) Or it's just an statistic?...
Well, as I remember correctly, with BAI, John Myung said that he was the one who wanted JP to be co-credited on the lyrics, because he didn't feel right taking the whole credit.
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I like the co-credit. It makes it feel like a whole band effort, with band members teaming up and using their strengths to create a lyric. And also, it's just a nice, diplomatic thing to do. And DT are a nice, diplomatic band. Like putting band names alphabetically.
One of the reasons I love the band. :D
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You are all putting to much stock into this lyric conversation.Some bands work differently. It's how they function. How many lyrics has Geddy Lee wrote? Not much but I bet James like Geddy has input on the structure and they work out the phrasings and even change the lyrics with the writer during the process.
No big whoop.
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Yeah, I understand that, I knew it long time ago... But I hope they don't do the same this time around.. I didn't like the "Lyrics by John Myung and John Petrucci", when JP had credit for other 7 songs.. I just never like that.. That's all..
I don't really understand this. If JP contributed at all to how the final song ends up, then why wouldn't he get credit? Why wouldn't you want him to? I could absolutely be missing something here, and if I am please explain.
My bad.. Maybe I rambled a little.. I was just saying that it bothers me.. I have no much further explanation than that.. (namely: they should do it, not because JP wrote other lyrics, but because he get the most of the lyric writing credits, and he will get it anyway)...
I'll mix subjects dramatically here.. I couldn't resist..
John Petrucci wrote his entire solo album, which was pretty heavily dominated by guitar, but it would be a lot harder for James to do that, particularly since he does not play an instrument.
WRONG.
4:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6k1VdgNeKE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6k1VdgNeKE)
DOUBLY WRONG:
3:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=542VQwZ4wT4
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OTOH, we'll never know (I guess) exactly how was the BAI lyric process, neither what happen with Caught in a Web, whether the same befall that occasion or not.. (JP helping JLB or they actually writing together).. Or in the case of Take the Time, and the others JM's lyrics...
MP has revealed who wrote which part of TTT: https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2811186.aspx
V1=MP, V2=JM, V3=JP, BR=KM, CH=MP & KM
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JP writes lyrics on his own? JP deserves credit for it. JP contributes to JM's lyrics? Both deserve credit for it. Simple as that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPQ6egJDqQo&feature=youtu.be
Can someone watch it and warn me if TEI is being played? :D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPQ6egJDqQo&feature=youtu.be
Can someone watch it and warn me if TEI is being played? :D
The very first thing you hear is the opening of TEI, so that would be a yes. :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPQ6egJDqQo&feature=youtu.be
Can someone watch it and warn me if TEI is being played? :D
The very first thing you hear is the opening of TEI, so that would be a yes. :lol
Thanks, skipped the beginning! :D
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Yeah, I understand that, I knew it long time ago... But I hope they don't do the same this time around.. I didn't like the "Lyrics by John Myung and John Petrucci", when JP had credit for other 7 songs.. I just never like that.. That's all..
I don't really understand this. If JP contributed at all to how the final song ends up, then why wouldn't he get credit? Why wouldn't you want him to? I could absolutely be missing something here, and if I am please explain.
My bad.. Maybe I rambled a little.. I was just saying that it bothers me.. I have no much further explanation than that..
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Apparently there are early official (non-watermarked) copies of the 5.1 DVD version out there, and the sound is purportedly much, much better (as to be hoped for with a 5.1 version of an album, but sadly that is not always the case).
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Apparently there are early official (non-watermarked) copies of the 5.1 DVD version out there, and the sound is purportedly much, much better (as to be hoped for with a 5.1 version of an album, but sadly that is not always the case).
You know? The shabby sound on the standard audio might genuinely push me to buy that 5.1 special edition after all.
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You know? The shabby sound on the standard audio might genuinely push me to buy that 5.1 special edition after all.
Ditto, and a 5.1 system to play it on!
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(https://i.imgur.com/1MjZmHM.jpg)
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Apparently there are early official (non-watermarked) copies of the 5.1 DVD version out there, and the sound is purportedly much, much better (as to be hoped for with a 5.1 version of an album, but sadly that is not always the case).
You know? The shabby sound on the standard audio might genuinely push me to buy that 5.1 special edition after all.
Too expensive. I'll just befriend someone with a 5.1 system and get him or her into DT. :D
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I'm betting the new images are from Along For The Ride.
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I know PS3s aren't exactly cheap, but some of you that don't have a 5.1 system may have a PS3, and you can buy the relatively good 5.1 surround sound wireless headphones for $100 or less nowadays (official Sony branding).
Yes, it isn't as good as a real 5.1 setup, especially in terms of the bass, but it is still miles better than stereo. That is how I listen to Systematic Chaos' 5.1 mix, and their DVDs as well.
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I know PS3s aren't exactly cheap, but some of you that don't have a 5.1 system may have a PS3, and you can buy the relatively good 5.1 surround sound wireless headphones for $100 or less nowadays (official Sony branding).
Yes, it isn't as good as a real 5.1 setup, especially in terms of the bass, but it is still miles better than stereo. That is how I listen to Systematic Chaos' 5.1 mix, and their DVDs as well.
How are they on volume? I've always had a hard time trusting big wireless headphones, because I was always afraid they'd be too quiet at their maximum... But I'm guessing that's not the case?
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Just to put an end to the shared credit thing; Myung has sole writing credits on Surrender to Reason.
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I know PS3s aren't exactly cheap, but some of you that don't have a 5.1 system may have a PS3, and you can buy the relatively good 5.1 surround sound wireless headphones for $100 or less nowadays (official Sony branding).
Yes, it isn't as good as a real 5.1 setup, especially in terms of the bass, but it is still miles better than stereo. That is how I listen to Systematic Chaos' 5.1 mix, and their DVDs as well.
How are they on volume? I've always had a hard time trusting big wireless headphones, because I was always afraid they'd be too quiet at their maximum... But I'm guessing that's not the case?
Well, I'll preface this by saying I can sometimes be sensitive to loud volumes, but I accidentally turned them on once when at full volume and had to physically throw them off my head due to how loud they were.
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Just to put an end to the shared credit thing; Myung has sole writing credits on Surrender to Reason.
If you are allowed to answer to this: is the music credited to the individual members who took part in the songwriting as with the past few albums' trend or are they simply credited to "Dream Theater"?
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Well, I'll preface this by saying I can sometimes be sensitive to loud volumes, but I accidentally turned them on once when at full volume and had to physically throw them off my head due to how loud they were.
Oh wow. So basically, I won't think they're too quiet? :lol
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Well, I'll preface this by saying I can sometimes be sensitive to loud volumes, but I accidentally turned them on once when at full volume and had to physically throw them off my head due to how loud they were.
Oh wow. So basically, I won't think they're too quiet? :lol
I certainly don't think so. I generally have them at half volume or less. I personally love them. They look terribly geeky and huge, but the sound quality and volume, as well as the pretty spectacular wireless range, is awesome.
Also, of course, if you do play games on your PS3, they are even more incredible, and significantly improve the atmosphere.
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I certainly don't think so. I generally have them at half volume or less. I personally love them. They look terribly geeky and huge, but the sound quality and volume, as well as the pretty spectacular wireless range, is awesome.
Also, of course, if you do play games on your PS3, they are even more incredible, and significantly improve the atmosphere.
Good to know. Thanks! :tup
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I certainly don't think so. I generally have them at half volume or less. I personally love them. They look terribly geeky and huge, but the sound quality and volume, as well as the pretty spectacular wireless range, is awesome.
Also, of course, if you do play games on your PS3, they are even more incredible, and significantly improve the atmosphere.
Good to know. Thanks! :tup
Any time :)
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wasteland: names of the members that actually wrote the track.
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wasteland: names of the members that actually wrote the track.
Can you fill us in on what those are?
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Sure, that's not secret information, anyone can dig that up in fact:
https://mobile.ascap.com/aceclient/AceClient/#ace/search/title/false%20awakening%20suite
https://mobile.ascap.com/aceclient/AceClient/#ace/search/title/the%20enemy%20inside
https://mobile.ascap.com/aceclient/AceClient/#ace/search/title/the%20looking%20glass
And so on.
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Oh, thanks a lot! Mostly choral effort, it seems! The writing of FAS and AFTR is credited to JP and JR only, interestingly.
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For anyone who doesn't want to comb through everything themselves:
1. False Awakening Suite - Petrucci/Rudess
2. The Enemy Inside - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
3. The Looking Glass - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
4. Enigma Machine - Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
5. The Bigger Picture - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
6. Behind the Veil - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
7. Surrender to Reason - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
8. Along For the Ride - Petrucci/Rudess
9. Illumination Theory - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
Basically everything is credited to everyone except Enigma Machine being credited to everyone except James and FAS and AFTR being credited to John P and Jordan.
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If this get quoted to Wikipedia I'm sure there will be easily deceivalble people who will believe James turned into the band's main songwriter overnight :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPQ6egJDqQo&feature=youtu.be
Can someone watch it and warn me if TEI is being played? :D
Just hear the goddamned tune :xbones
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If this get quoted to Wikipedia I'm sure there will be easily deceivalble people who will believe James turned into the band's main songwriter overnight :lol
Knowing how gullible some people can be, definitely.
Of course, the actual reason I listed James first is because the ASCAP site listed him first. And the reason they did that is because they simply listed the people who received songwriting credits in alphabetical order by last name and LaBrie comes first in that regard. Ironically, if we're associating order with level of contribution, JP and JR are the last in alphabetical order but the primary songwriters.
My guess is it'll actually be something like Petrucci/Rudess/Mangini/Myung/LaBrie. Myung and Mangini could probably be switched as could Petrucci and Rudess.
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Just to put an end to the shared credit thing; Myung has sole writing credits on Surrender to Reason.
:tup
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Seems like this hasn't been posted yet: new artwork snippets available: www.instagram.com/dreamtheater2013
(https://distilleryimage6.ak.instagram.com/33274c1a174311e3ba1722000a1faed2_7.jpg)(https://distilleryimage4.ak.instagram.com/2a79d34e174311e3a0a022000a1f968b_7.jpg)(https://distilleryimage5.ak.instagram.com/23d7be20174311e3b78b22000a1f8cd1_7.jpg)
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Seems like this hasn't been posted yet: new artwork snippets available: www.instagram.com/dreamtheater2013
It was, just on page 182! :P
B.Lee
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I actually like that artwork so far, looks good. I mean like always some things look a bit off but I like the gritty tone it has.
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For anyone who doesn't want to comb through everything themselves:
*snip*
Nice to see James get co-writing credits on so many songs - this proves that he was very much involved despite not penning lyrics :tup
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(https://distilleryimage4.ak.instagram.com/2a79d34e174311e3a0a022000a1f968b_7.jpg)
Two things in this part.
There's a strange line going along the bottom, almost looks like a fold. ???
Worse: The bottom of the piano, the foot of the leg, is infront of the other thingy when the piano itself is clearly supposed to be behind it. :facepalm:
Edit: Oh and the bottom left part of the guitar cuts into that thingy aswell, when it's supposed to be behind.
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it's not going to be visible on the printed page :P
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Oh god.. That can't be unseen. Visable on printed page or not, that was disappointing.
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Seems like this hasn't been posted yet: new artwork snippets available: www.instagram.com/dreamtheater2013
It was, just on page 182! :P
B.Lee
:lolpalm:
(https://distilleryimage4.ak.instagram.com/2a79d34e174311e3a0a022000a1f968b_7.jpg)
Two things in this part.
There's a strange line going along the bottom, almost looks like a fold. ???
Worse: The bottom of the piano, the foot of the leg, is infront of the other thingy when the piano itself is clearly supposed to be behind it. :facepalm:
Edit: Oh and the bottom left part of the guitar cuts into that thingy aswell, when it's supposed to be behind.
:facepalm: :facepalm:
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Holy shit, Syme is really REALLY sloppy. I absolutely hope they find another artist for the next DT album, this is just crap.
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Oh god.. That can't be unseen. Visable on printed page or not, that was disappointing.
It can all be easily seen on the small versions. . . It will definitely be seen on a 12x12 booklet
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It's not that noticable, but of course you can see it if you look closely:
(https://dtnorway.com/cc.jpg)
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Jesus H, you people are really picky. I'm sure anyone could find a fault in anything if you look for it hard enough. Sure, it might be a bit sloppy but I'm sure hes a busy guy. Also DT must appreciate his work enough to keep working with him for nearly a decade.
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Being a "busy guy" is no excuse for making sloppy and lazy artwork.
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Being a "busy guy" is no excuse for making sloppy and lazy artwork.
Indeed. It's his job, it's not a hobby.
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I haven't really commented on these pieces of artwork, but I have to say the latest pic is really lazily done :-\
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Jesus H, you people are really picky. I'm sure anyone could find a fault in anything if you look for it hard enough.
Yeah, maybe, but no one is having to look very hard for these.
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Being a "busy guy" is no excuse for making sloppy and lazy artwork.
He won't be busy for long if this is his current standard. And is DT his highest profile gig these days? If I was that sloppy in my work people would die.
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Being a "busy guy" is no excuse for making sloppy and lazy artwork.
He won't be busy for long if this is his current standard. And is DT his highest profile gig these days? If I was that sloppy in my work people would die.
This. Plus his style got old really fast.
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I enjoyed his work on the previous couple of Dream Theater albums, but it got way too much copy-paste and stock images for my taste. Don't artists draw anymore or create something on their own? I wish the band went with someone who works differently, but if they're happy with this kind of artwork, then what can we do...
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I think people are focusing WAAAY too much on the miniscule details that 95% of the people who look through the booklet never will notice. My eyes, on that page of the booklet, doesn't even go down to the bottom of the piano, because there's something else drawing my attention. Not once while flipping through the entire booklet do I feel that it's way too much cut and paste - it looks very good to my eyes. It's abstract images, not photos. Heck, even the cover has a TOTALLY different feel to it when you see it irl.
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They shoulda got Steve.
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Jesus H, you people are really picky. I'm sure anyone could find a fault in anything if you look for it hard enough. Sure, it might be a bit sloppy but I'm sure hes a busy guy. Also DT must appreciate his work enough to keep working with him for nearly a decade.
Actually, I don't think we're really picky. Syme, nowadays, has become extremely lazy artist which makes me wonder why DT keep choosing him. The guy uses fairly common stock images, and sometimes he even shares 'em (Remember ADTOE and Circus Maximus?), which really doesn't help the band that much. Cover art is extremely important, for attracting new fans in a record store for saying "OMG, that band has some really cool artwork, let's check 'em out!", which is something I've done more than a couple of times. The bad planet cut from the front cover is gone, but the thing is still sloppy. The planet looks pixeled, like if it was a 200x200 image and got stretched to fit his dimensions. It just doesn't look right to me how that contrasts with the big, shiny majesty logo.
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I think people are focusing WAAAY too much on the miniscule details that 95% of the people who look through the booklet never will notice. My eyes, on that page of the booklet, doesn't even go down to the bottom of the piano, because there's something else drawing my attention. Not once while flipping through the entire booklet do I feel that it's way too much cut and paste - it looks very good to my eyes. It's abstract images, not photos. Heck, even the cover has a TOTALLY different feel to it when you see it irl.
The band are making a big deal of the artwork- teasing ahead of the album release with them. We are DT fans- of course we'll notice.
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Jesus H, you people are really picky. I'm sure anyone could find a fault in anything if you look for it hard enough. Sure, it might be a bit sloppy but I'm sure hes a busy guy. Also DT must appreciate his work enough to keep working with him for nearly a decade.
Actually, I don't think we're really picky. Syme, nowadays, has become extremely lazy artist which makes me wonder why DT keep choosing him. The guy uses fairly common stock images, and sometimes he even shares 'em (Remember ADTOE and Circus Maximus?), which really doesn't help the band that much. Cover art is extremely important, for attracting new fans in a record store for saying "OMG, that band has some really cool artwork, let's check 'em out!", which is something I've done more than a couple of times. The bad planet cut from the front cover is gone, but the thing is still sloppy. The planet looks pixeled, like if it was a 200x200 image and got stretched to fit his dimensions. It just doesn't look right to me how that contrasts with the big, shiny majesty logo.
Maybe he's just less expensive to hire.
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For anyone who doesn't want to comb through everything themselves:
*snip*
Nice to see James get co-writing credits on so many songs - this proves that he was very much involved despite not penning lyrics :tup
I was pretty disappointed he didn't write any lyrics but this at least makes me a bit more pumped knowing that he was pretty involved in the writing process.
Jesus H, you people are really picky. I'm sure anyone could find a fault in anything if you look for it hard enough.
Yeah, maybe, but no one is having to look very hard for these.
I think the artwork got progressively worse as they released them.
I really loved the first few that were released. The beach scene was awesome despite people nitpicking about the availability of some clip art that was used.
This last one though, I didn't even have to look at it for more than a second to see that the guitar stands out as if it was hastily pasted in there. Then the piano, which I did not notice because I was focused on the guitar, became another glaring error.
I can't stress this enough. I think peoples criticism was way overblown at first but this is undeniably bad.
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Seriously, you're focusing on a small section of a two-page picture, and you're not even seeing it in the context of the booklet itself and how the pictures work together.
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Jesus H, you people are really picky. I'm sure anyone could find a fault in anything if you look for it hard enough. Sure, it might be a bit sloppy but I'm sure hes a busy guy. Also DT must appreciate his work enough to keep working with him for nearly a decade.
Actually, I don't think we're really picky. Syme, nowadays, has become extremely lazy artist which makes me wonder why DT keep choosing him. The guy uses fairly common stock images, and sometimes he even shares 'em (Remember ADTOE and Circus Maximus?)
It's not just you who does this (far from it!) so this isn't aimed at you specifically, any more than anyone else. I'm also not defending Hugh Syme, (cos I think he's been fairly slipshod right from Octavarium, and sweet lord am I ready for a break,) but I think it's a little rich to berate him using an example that quite neatly demonstrates that stock images are by no means a Syme-specific thing. Pretty much every digital artist uses them, and it's entirely routine. Mattias Noren didn't get the unicyclist to pose like that. I'm not sure how everyone manages to get themselves in such a tizz about this.
More digital art in the prog metal genre --
Thomas Ewerhard didn't ship this guy out to some canyon in businesswear and get him to scratch his head a bit:
(https://i41.tinypic.com/5fol75.jpg)
Very few of these shadows ever met:
(https://i43.tinypic.com/vr7a13.jpg)
This never happened:
(https://i44.tinypic.com/2cx6ged.jpg)
I mean, fine to slag Syme off, but can we at least slag him off for his actual shortcomings? It feels a bit like we're moving the goalposts - "That picture is bad cos the stock image has been pasted in badly!" "This one isn't." "Well, that one's bad cos it uses a stock image!" If you want your album cover to be a man unicycling over the tail of a plane, as the tightrope frays, there are a lot of health and safety barriers that make such an image very difficult to stage. Yes, you might need to source something from the world's online databanks, and you may find yourself slightly limited by the number of faceless unicyclists available for your delectation. I think to berate Syme for having the audacity to use stock images kind of threatens to undermine any proper, valid points about his work.
ETA:Seriously, you're focusing on a small section of a two-page picture, and you're not even seeing it in the context of the booklet itself and how the pictures work together.
I think the problem is that people are seeing it in the context of a booklet - and it's a booklet where angles are confusing, light bends round corners, and lens flares have had great big stonking lines bisecting them. On its own? Fine, unfortunate but ignorable. But it's the culmination of a few weeks of discontent.
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I have no problem with Syme using stock images, I understand that completely. I have a problem with Syme making sloppy pasting mistakes on most of the artwork. The album cover cutoff was the worst, I'm glad that's been fixed. But even then, as an artist he shouldn't even made that mistake. It's just bloody lazy.
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:omg: There's a watermark (a camera) close to the guitar's headstock?
(https://i.imgur.com/gMfV7Ix.jpg)
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https://p1.pichost.me/i/20/1434799.jpg
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Jesus Christ, those creepy-ass doll-heads!! They're BACK!!
Please don't let them end up on the bass drums, please don't let them end up on the bass drums...
I do like the vibe of the image, though. Watermark - I'd be astonished if that made it to the final product. If it does, eesh. If not, no problem.
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(https://dtnorway.com/cc2.jpg)
Looks like it's there in the finished product too...
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...man.
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While it's on the promo copies, it's possible the final versions actually sold are different.
Typical sloppy work from Syme, but thanks for posting the pics noxon, I think that shows pretty well how barely-noticeable it is in the actual booklet.
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Returning to the name of this thread:
1. False Awakening Suite - Petrucci/Rudess
2. The Enemy Inside - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
3. The Looking Glass - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
4. Enigma Machine - Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
5. The Bigger Picture - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
6. Behind the Veil - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
7. Surrender to Reason - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
8. Along For the Ride - Petrucci/Rudess
9. Illumination Theory - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
Basically everything is credited to everyone except Enigma Machine being credited to everyone except James and FAS and AFTR being credited to John P and Jordan.
:omg: IT HIT ME..
Maybe this is not even one of the reason why they self titled the album.. But, this is the first time the whole band, each of the members, participated in the composing...
Now I accept the name of the album.. Just now.. It's perfect...
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ariich: promo copies do not have artwork at all. This is the finished product. The actual special edition.
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ariich: promo copies do not have artwork at all. This is the finished product. The actual special edition.
Ah gotcha, shame but not surprising.
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For anyone who doesn't want to comb through everything themselves:
1. False Awakening Suite - Petrucci/Rudess
2. The Enemy Inside - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
3. The Looking Glass - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
4. Enigma Machine - Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
5. The Bigger Picture - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
6. Behind the Veil - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
7. Surrender to Reason - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
8. Along For the Ride - Petrucci/Rudess
9. Illumination Theory - LaBrie/Mangini/Myung/Petrucci/Rudess
Basically everything is credited to everyone except Enigma Machine being credited to everyone except James and FAS and AFTR being credited to John P and Jordan.
Lennon-Mccartney kind of thing uh?
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I've never payed THAT attention on the artworks. I usually look at them, judge them from my point of view, meaning I'm absolutely not an expert, but this is definitely disappointing.
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:omg: There's a watermark (a camera) close to the guitar's headstock?
(https://i.imgur.com/gMfV7Ix.jpg)
3 severed heads... Portnoy, Sherinian and Moore?
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Just one it's severed.. and I read somewhere a hypothesis that they are JM, MP and JP.. being MP the one in the middle, the one who's cuted, as he is not in the band anymore..
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… Or Syme was like "these doll heads would go nicely in this picture… and this one too!"
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"that cat looks stupid, let's put in some dolls heads instead"
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… Or Syme was like "these doll heads would go nicely in this picture… and this one too!"
It's the most likely hypothesis :lol
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Lol? Syme actually left a clip art watermark in the finished artwork? Wow...
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Well folks. I guess Hugh Syme wants to get sued.
:corn
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Lol? Syme actually left a clip art watermark in the finished artwork? Wow...
I always felt the criticism of his work was a little overboard, but that really is sloppy. :eek
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Hugh Syme = lame.
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Well folks. I guess Hugh Syme wants to get sued.
:corn
My thoughts as well... except that stock photo samples with watermarks are not nearly high enough resolution to be used for print work... ???
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Well folks. I guess Hugh Syme wants to get sued.
:corn
My thoughts as well... except that stock photo samples with watermarks are not nearly high enough resolution to be used for print work... ???
"Eh... Good enough." - Hugh Syme
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Well folks. I guess Hugh Syme wants to get sued.
:corn
My thoughts as well... except that stock photo samples with watermarks are not nearly high enough resolution to be used for print work... ???
The watermark appears to be for a site called depositphotos, and their preview images for similar guitar photos from a Google search are greater resolution than it is on the final artwork.
I haven't found this specific photo though.
The problem is not so much that a watermark was left in there (which while a little negligent is understandable given how barely visible it is), but the fact that a watermark should only appear on an image if it wasn't licensed legally, which would be a problem.
I'm not making any accusations, I just hope there's not an issue there.
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I think it's time for a DTF Scavenger Hunt. Lets see if we can find more watermarks in past DT artwork by Syme.
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Okay, I usually stick up for Syme, but this watermark thing is ridiculous. There's no excuse for that.
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^^
I'm fine with stock photos and montages but these errors are absolutely inexcusable.
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I don't see how it could be on there - the originating background image (which i posted earlier in this thread) doesn't have a watermark. and the other pictures i've seen on Depositphotos has the watermark -very- prominently displayed on the middle of the image, while on this one it seems to be absolutely hidden, not to mention being behind the guitar itself. I wonder if there's a possibily that this is intentional, as a "hidden commercial" per se.
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I think that sounds pretty damn absurd.
Maybe we're thinking about it wrong. Maybe it's not from the guitar at all, but from the piano image, hence it being underneath the guitar?
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I don't see how it could be on there - the originating background image (which i posted earlier in this thread) doesn't have a watermark. and the other pictures i've seen on Depositphotos has the watermark -very- prominently displayed on the middle of the image, while on this one it seems to be absolutely hidden, not to mention being behind the guitar itself. I wonder if there's a possibily that this is intentional, as a "hidden commercial" per se.
I think the watermark is part of the guitar image, which makes it even more embarrassing and inexcusable that it's still there.
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… Or Syme was like "these doll heads would go nicely in this picture… and this one too!"
Well, as I posted when the first pic appeared, he's used the doll heads before.
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I think the watermark is part of the guitar image, which makes it even more embarrassing and inexcusable that it's still there.
Yeah, but look at this: (https://static5.depositphotos.com/1042957/496/i/450/dep_4962777-Acoustic-guitar.jpg) See how the watermark is very huge and prominent. And in front of the image. I've looked at the DT booklet image, and the watermark is -behind- the head of the guitar...
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symelol
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/brent_nashville/3876999343/ the piano
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I can't understand this. How is Hugh Syme an artist? WTF.
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Please can someone with good photoshop skills put together the same picture using the bits and bobs found online and see if they can do better than Syme ? :lol should be easy.
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Please can someone with good photoshop skills put together the same picture using the bits and bobs found online and see if they can do better than Syme ? :lol should be easy.
:rollin
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(https://i.imgur.com/4qTDcOM.jpg)
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???
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???
Yep. What the hell is this supposed to mean
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(https://i.imgur.com/WoITQ5W.jpg)
Mr Syme has a weird sense of humor!
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Problem with the released image is that it's only half of the image... there's another page there too!
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theres another watermark looking thing above the jug. odd that theres no majesty symbol in this one, but if its only half an image that could be why..
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I dont understand on a basic level why things cut into other things.
All you have to is assign a different layer to each object and move it in front or behind of other objects.
It would save the piano being both infront AND behind that thing in the foreground and it would save the guitar being split in two.
I'm no Photoshop expert by any means - but that's incredibly basic.
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Holy shit this guy is so sloppy. I wonder why DT still insist on working with him.
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I dont understand on a basic level why things cut into other things.
All you have to is assign a different layer to each object and move it in front or behind of other objects.
It would save the piano being both infront AND behind that thing in the foreground and it would save the guitar being split in two.
I'm no Photoshop expert by any means - but that's incredibly basic.
The object in the foreground is part of the main picture that he used. So in order to make it look like the guitar and piano are behind it he would have to manually crop out the edges of the guitar and piano along the lines of the object. He attempted with the guitar and didn't do a great job but the piano he didn't even bother at all it seems.
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What about those 3 heads.. I see them for the second time ;)
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Okay, the new watermarks tell me why this has occured. Syme has used the fill effect of Photoshop to fill in the texture and generate the image on the right hand side of the image (if you look at the original image it stopped somewhere right around where the guitar is), and to get it to fill out the entire width of a two page image he chose to use the fill feature of photoshop to generate image data. What the fill effect does is use image parts elsewhere to generate what is shown, and I assume there was a watermark that snuck in there that shouldn't have been there. And if you don't know what to look for it may be hard to spot (i didn't spot the upper watermarks until i looked for it now).
It's an accident.
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I dont understand on a basic level why things cut into other things.
All you have to is assign a different layer to each object and move it in front or behind of other objects.
It would save the piano being both infront AND behind that thing in the foreground and it would save the guitar being split in two.
I'm no Photoshop expert by any means - but that's incredibly basic.
The object in the foreground is part of the main picture that he used. So in order to make it look like the guitar and piano are behind it he would have to manually crop out the edges of the guitar and piano along the lines of the object. He attempted with the guitar and didn't do a great job but the piano he didn't even bother at all it seems.
but you can assign things to layers and slip them in behind other layers. I'm shit at PS but at least I know that....
Its an accident...
So he's no perfectionist and he didn't check his work before he signed off on it.
An artist who had pride in his work would have checked everything and would've spotted that and corrected it.
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Wont the watermarks be gone once the image is paid for?
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Okay, the new watermarks tell me why this has occured. Syme has used the fill effect of Photoshop to fill in the texture and generate the image on the right hand side of the image (if you look at the original image it stopped somewhere right around where the guitar is), and to get it to fill out the entire width of a two page image he chose to use the fill feature of photoshop to generate image data. What the fill effect does is use image parts elsewhere to generate what is shown, and I assume there was a watermark that snuck in there that shouldn't have been there. And if you don't know what to look for it may be hard to spot (i didn't spot the upper watermarks until i looked for it now).
It's an accident.
And this is Syme's job. He gets paid for it (probably quite a lot), and I think we (and DT) can expect him to avoid "accidents" like this.
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Wont the watermarks be gone once the image is paid for?
This is supposedly the final image - since RR are premičring it.
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Can someone explain the shadows to me?
The jug and the guitar are lit from the left, while the piano apparently is lit from the right.
(https://i.imgur.com/iYauqej.jpg)
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I really don't get the use of the dollheads, especially multiple times like this. It's just... weird.
Holy shit this guy is so sloppy. I wonder why DT still insist on working with him.
I wouldn't be shocked if it's basically because of the reputation he has for having designed all of Rush's album covers.
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Wont the watermarks be gone once the image is paid for?
This is supposedly the final image - since RR are premičring it.
Yeah but the images come from a website right? They have watermarks so you can't just rip them directly from the website, and have to pay for them to get the WM removed. Isn't that how it works?
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I assume that the watermarked versions were used for prototyping. After the label/band approved of the graphics, the rights to the pictures were purchased but Syme couldn't be arsed to replace the watermarked versions with clean ones.
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but you can assign things to layers and slip them in behind other layers. I'm shit at PS but at least I know that....
https://p1.pichost.me/i/20/1434799.jpg
there's no layer to slip the guitar behind, see?
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Missed opportunity on manipulating the words on the old piano to read "Dream Theater Established 1985" or something like that.
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Holy shit this guy is so sloppy. I wonder why DT still insist on working with him.
Because most of the stuff he does is pretty cool.
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And to be honest, 95% of the people that buy this album and the artwork won't ever see it unless the flaws are pointed out too them.
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But that doesn't excuse consistently lazy and sloppy work.
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Not sure if it's been noted, but right above the jug on top of the piano is looks like it says "deposit photos" a few times in a row. So bad
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It's not just us - people on Instagram are complaining too - unless they're DTF members...
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Not sure if it's been noted, but right above the jug on top of the piano is looks like it says "deposit photos" a few times in a row. So bad
It definitely says something alright.
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It's not just us - people on Instagram are complaining too - unless they're DTF members...
-raises hand-
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I'm starting to think that Mr. Syme was the last person to be informed that the band would be revealing close up snippets of his artwork like this. How can he be so careless with it otherwise?
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He probably knows very well what will be hidden by the printing process and what people will notice. I mean, you're talking about 28 page booklet, 12cmx12cm in size, where colors bleed a bit into eachother washing out those types of blending errors anyways. I had to look very close to see the watermark near the guitar on the page, and the one on the top (the letters saying depositphotos) i can't see at all. And if you guys remember, this type of reaction to the artwork has been there since octavarium - so many complaints about the ball not being absolutely perfect, and the ropes just being lines on the first released image etc...
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That is all true, but that still doesn't sit right with me. If you are a professional artist, regardless of what your employer expects, would you want to put forth the best you can possibly do? I understand what you said about the watermark being an accident. I could see that happening; perhaps he should've been a bit more critical when examining his finished product. But the bad cutting of the guitar and piano to be in front of that rock thingy....I don't know. What real artist goes, "Oh. I messed up. Eh. People won't notice. Whatever." It doesn't matter if they are right. That's not the attitude of a high quality artist.
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but you can assign things to layers and slip them in behind other layers. I'm shit at PS but at least I know that....
https://p1.pichost.me/i/20/1434799.jpg
there's no layer to slip the guitar behind, see?
But if you cared enough you could make the thing in the foreground a layer of it's own to hide the guitar behind, couldn't you? Rather than the lazy, half-arsed approach.
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That's what i'm getting at.
I've seen my bro use PS a lot - and he is an absolute master of it - and what Syme has failed to do is an absolute doddle.
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That is all true, but that still doesn't sit right with me. If you are a professional artist, regardless of what your employer expects, would you want to put forth the best you can possibly do? I understand what you said about the watermark being an accident. I could see that happening; perhaps he should've been a bit more critical when examining his finished product. But the bad cutting of the guitar and piano to be in front of that rock thingy....I don't know. What real artist goes, "Oh. I messed up. Eh. People won't notice. Whatever." It doesn't matter if they are right. That's not the attitude of a high quality artist.
Totally agreed.
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Heck, even DT hides errors in their recordings because people won't notice. I've only noticed them after i started hearing the seperated tracks on Jammit for instance...
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What errors are those?
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You can hide music errors with production and engineering that you wouldn't hear unless you seperated the multi tracks.
When the errors are in the artwork and are clearly visible for all to see - it's a different story.
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noxon, are you releasing your review tonight at 0:00? :D
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What do you think?
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If I knew it, I wouldn't be asking :lol
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So it's in about an hour or so? Neat. (If my timezones are correct...)
And it's in english, right? :lol
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I would wait until 12:00 in New York. It's only 4:15 PM where I live, so I'd be getting it almost 8 hours earlier than legal.
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What do you think?
What time zone? New thread?
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Wait, are you saying that NY time zone is better/more trustworthy/more important than Norway's? :loser:
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And it's in english, right? :lol
We're DTNorway after all, obviously it's only going to be available in norwegian. Better hope google translate is good with norwegian!
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Wait, are you saying that NY time zone is better/more trustworthy/more important than Norway's? :loser:
Depends. If you are in the Norwegian mountains at night, you would wish it were day and would wish you brought your UV ray gun with you to shoot the Trolls :metal
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The point is that it probably needs to be the 9th @ Roadrunner Records so it's actually legal to post
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I was assuming that the time would be the same as the premier for Along for the Ride.
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Lol. Like RR actually gives half a rat's ass whether he posts it according to his time zone or NY's.
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Well, you never know... :\
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Time's over, 0:00 and still no review :( :biggrin:
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YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE A REVIEW, NOXON
I HIRED A NORWEGIAN JUST FOR THIS
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YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE A REVIEW, NOXON
I HIRED A NORWEGIAN JUST FOR THIS
:lol :rollin :lol :rollin :lol
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I have barely even started writing on it yet, give me some time! This is going to be my masters thesis after all!
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And it's in english, right? :lol
We're DTNorway after all, obviously it's only going to be available in norwegian. Better hope google translate is good with norwegian!
Who even... what is this...
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And it's in english, right? :lol
We're DTNorway after all, obviously it's only going to be available in norwegian. Better hope google translate is good with norwegian!
Who even... what is this...
Should've been expecting it. IT'S DTNORWAY, MAN
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And it's in english, right? :lol
We're DTNorway after all, obviously it's only going to be available in norwegian. Better hope google translate is good with norwegian!
Who even... what is this...
THIS... IS... NOOOOOOOOOORWAY! :metal
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I have barely even started writing on it yet, give me some time! This is going to be my masters thesis after all!
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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DT Norway is dead?
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DT Norway is dead?
Probably crashed by everyone trying to see if the review is up there yet.
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Imagine if - after this massive wait for noxon's review and the embargo etc....
The review is finally released.
The Embargo is lifted.
The review reads thus :
" It's Good. "
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Even better:
"It's an album."
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Not sure if this has been seen, but here's the Amazon review:
Dream Theater's 2013 self-titled opus is a masterpiece of ambition, adventure and redefined purpose. Dream Theater heralds an exceptionally energized and profoundly dynamic emergent chapter for the melodic, progressive and consistently heavy masters of hard rock invention. Dream Theater is a name synonymous with the penultimate synthesis of studied expertise and relentless creative passion. It is an album that at once recalls the brilliant hallmarks that have made the band icons to fellow musicians and hard rock fans alike, while simultaneously a bold declaration of a future yet to come.
Dream Theater serves as both entry-point for curious newcomers and shining beacon to longtime devotees. It is a landmark statement befitting of not only the band's multiple milestones, but of their increasing prowess, perseverance and overall fulfillment from creating diverse, nuanced and atmospheric compositions. Evocative, transcendent, genre-defining and as hungry as ever, Dream Theater's music is as timeless as the dozen-album strong discography and more than 25 years of performing would suggest, while alternately ever-advancing toward new horizons.
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I doubt it's got anything to do with you lot hammering the server - after all we've managed the load that a Petrucci interview has given us without any issues. It seems there's some deeper issues with the hosting company that also affects other sites i'm running...
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Not sure if this has been seen, but here's the Amazon review:
Dream Theater's 2013 self-titled opus is a masterpiece of ambition, adventure and redefined purpose. Dream Theater heralds an exceptionally energized and profoundly dynamic emergent chapter for the melodic, progressive and consistently heavy masters of hard rock invention. Dream Theater is a name synonymous with the penultimate synthesis of studied expertise and relentless creative passion. It is an album that at once recalls the brilliant hallmarks that have made the band icons to fellow musicians and hard rock fans alike, while simultaneously a bold declaration of a future yet to come.
Dream Theater serves as both entry-point for curious newcomers and shining beacon to longtime devotees. It is a landmark statement befitting of not only the band's multiple milestones, but of their increasing prowess, perseverance and overall fulfillment from creating diverse, nuanced and atmospheric compositions. Evocative, transcendent, genre-defining and as hungry as ever, Dream Theater's music is as timeless as the dozen-album strong discography and more than 25 years of performing would suggest, while alternately ever-advancing toward new horizons.
Essentially tells you as much as that Premier Guitar review...absolutely nothing.
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My favorite review of all time was on Amazon and I don't even remember what it was for but I will reprint the review in it's entirety.
"I DID NOT ENJOY THIS ALBU"
Needless to say, nobody thought it was a "helpful review" except me. I couldn't help not loving everything about it.
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Just gonna leave this right here... https://www.dtnorway.com/2013/09/dream-theater-dream-theater-2013-english-review/
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So it's in english after all. And I have to pay my hired norwegian for nothing.
THANKS A LOT, NOXON
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Great review ! :tup :hefdaddy
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Can someone make the Along for the Ride lyrics less blurry from the review?
I loved it, great read!
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I like to believe that Mangini is so good at drums that they sound triggered. Maybe it is true...
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From The Bigger Picture section of the song-by-song analysis:
"This is perfection. It’s a prog metal power ballad done right."
And then, later, "And yet, this is probably still my least favorite track on this album"
...
:caffeine:
Also, 'space alien choir synth'? :lol
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Great review, noxon. Really looking forward to this now.
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Thanks Noxon for the review. Very excited to hear the album!
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I think at this point Surrender to Reason is the song I'm most looking forward to, with Illumination Theory being a close second. Though I'm pretty damn excited about The Looking Glass and Enigma Machine as well. And also the rest of the album.
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Fuck. I can't even focus into being excited about something in particular at this point. I just can't wait until the 24th!
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Seems like a pretty comprehensive review.
One question though: after you had written your initial review, what did you go back to add or edit, if anything?
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Great review,It was a pleasure;)
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That's one hell of a detailed review, dude. Thanks for the thorough analysis!
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Very detailed and thorough review, Noxon. Thanks :)
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Not sure if this has been seen, but here's the Amazon review:
Dream Theater's 2013 self-titled opus is a masterpiece of ambition, adventure and redefined purpose. Dream Theater heralds an exceptionally energized and profoundly dynamic emergent chapter for the melodic, progressive and consistently heavy masters of hard rock invention. Dream Theater is a name synonymous with the penultimate synthesis of studied expertise and relentless creative passion. It is an album that at once recalls the brilliant hallmarks that have made the band icons to fellow musicians and hard rock fans alike, while simultaneously a bold declaration of a future yet to come.
Dream Theater serves as both entry-point for curious newcomers and shining beacon to longtime devotees. It is a landmark statement befitting of not only the band's multiple milestones, but of their increasing prowess, perseverance and overall fulfillment from creating diverse, nuanced and atmospheric compositions. Evocative, transcendent, genre-defining and as hungry as ever, Dream Theater's music is as timeless as the dozen-album strong discography and more than 25 years of performing would suggest, while alternately ever-advancing toward new horizons.
Essentially tells you as much as that Premier Guitar review...absolutely nothing.
Those are really only meant to give a vague description of the band and album.
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Damn, I saw that the review was posted just as I was about to go to bed last night so I figured I should hold off and read it today instead. Now I'm regretting that decision... the site seems to be down. :lol
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Damn...I cannot open the review!!! >:(
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Damn...I cannot open the review!!! >:(
Neither can I. The page just won't load. :-[
B.Lee
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Server is having some issues, it'll hopefully be up again soon.
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Yep..I am already reading it =)
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Finally got to read it all. Nice review, noxon. :tup
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Great review noxon :)
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damn I can't load the page :(
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Nice review noxon, now the hype is overwhelming. Some things I won't like in the new album, though.
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Another thank you to noxon for the detailed review. Given that I love TEI and that BC&SL is my favourite DT album, DT12 may very well be right up my alley in terms of what appeals to me personally in DT's music. I am even that much more excited by the review. With something as diverse as the DT catalogue, even a middle tier album is a gem. So many people on this forum name albums over 10 years old from the band as their faves, and have been disappointed by numerous recent efforts. Yet they support the band and continue to buy the albums. That's a real testament to the overall quality of DT's music and there is always something in each album for everyone. :tup
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So any word on how late the new track will be premiering?
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Well, according to noxon the deluxe CD+DVD has a glued booklet. What a shame :-\
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I think I won´t listen to any new snippes/tracks until the cd comes out. I want to experience the whole thing.
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Well, according to noxon the deluxe CD+DVD has a glued booklet. What a shame :-\
They really need to cut that out. Digipaks are cool but gluing the booklet makes no sense.
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Well, according to noxon the deluxe CD+DVD has a glued booklet. What a shame :-\
This confirms me getting the standard edition.
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So many people on this forum name albums over 10 years old from the band as their faves, and have been disappointed by numerous recent efforts. Yet they support the band and continue to buy the albums. That's a real testament to the overall quality of DT's music and there is always something in each album for everyone. :tup
Exactly! You put the words into my mouth. I've been a fan for 20 years and have been disappointed by DT's latest releases (except ADToE), but I will continue buying their albums for the one simple reason that they are Dream Theater. My favorite band.
B.Lee
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Well, according to noxon the deluxe CD+DVD has a glued booklet. What a shame :-\
This confirms me getting the standard edition.
That and I can't play 5.1
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ALONG FOR THE RIDE IS AMAZING.
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Well, according to noxon the deluxe CD+DVD has a glued booklet. What a shame :-\
This confirms me getting the standard edition.
That and I can't play 5.1
According to Noxon's review the Dvd has a stereo mix also and that is the best version. Less compression thanks to the better quality and still playable for those without 5.1.
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According to Noxon's review the Dvd has a stereo mix also and that is the best version. Less compression thanks to the better quality and still playable for those without 5.1.
That's pretty much the last chance for some halfway decent audio quality.
BTW does anyone know if those who preordered the album will get the download version of AFTR just like we got TEI?
Greetings...
Nef
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According to Noxon's review the Dvd has a stereo mix also and that is the best version. Less compression thanks to the better quality and still playable for those without 5.1.
That's pretty much the last chance for some halfway decent audio quality.
BTW does anyone know if those who preordered the album will get the download version of AFTR just like we got TEI?
Greetings...
Nef
I'd assume so since we get a digital copy of the entire album on release so you'd think we'd get a download copy of both the singles.
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Am I missing something here? Is this an official single? Not unheard of, but unlikely.
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Am I missing something here? Is this an official single? Not unheard of, but unlikely.
Yes. And why unlikely?
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I'd assume so since we get a digital copy of the entire album on release so you'd think we'd get a download copy of both the singles.
Not on relase, more like now.
Greetings...
Nef
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Am I missing something here? Is this an official single? Not unheard of, but unlikely.
Yes. And why unlikely?
Do bands release more than one single prior to an album's release? I know it's common in pop. An official single is sold separately and has it's own artwork.
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Does anybody do that anymore? I'm honestly curious.
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Yea, DT barely releases two singles from an album at all. Two before an album is strange. That makes me think this is just a preview stream, not an official single.
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Yea, DT barely releases two singles from an album at all. Two before an album is strange. That makes me think this is just a preview stream, not an official single.
Um, Jordan, John, and James have all been tweeting about it, plus the administrator of DTF (Weymolith) is the one that posted the thread about it. Plus, Grammy.com is the one streaming it (a VERY official website).
Yeah, it isn't available for purchase, but singles these days usually aren't until at least a couple days later or not at all (this close to the album release).
There is nothing unofficial about this at all. It simply looks like instead of a single and music video, they chose to do two singles.
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It doesn't have to have it's own artwork and be released two months before the album to be an official single.
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https://www.lithiummagazine.com/interview-mike-mangini-dream-theater-august-28th-2013
New Mangini interview. As usual, just dripping with passion.
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It doesn't have to have it's own artwork and be released two months before the album to be an official single.
I guess not. I'm living in the past.
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Awww, that's a fantastic interview with Mike! He just sounds so positive and happy all the time. :heart
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From what I've read, there has been no indication that AFTR is a single. It seems they used the song's melodicness in order to get a stream on GRAMMY.com. That makes total sense. A mainstream song being streamed as a (fairly) mainstream awards website. It sounds like they were just seizing an opportunity to stream a song on GRAMMY.com and this song probably made the most sense considering the Grammy's obvious mainstream involvement.
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Nothing wrong with that, good for them trying to get a more accessible song out there. :tup
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https://www.lithiummagazine.com/interview-mike-mangini-dream-theater-august-28th-2013
New Mangini interview. As usual, just dripping with passion.
I was about to post this! :yeahright
Great interview, really. Nice to hear the story about The Enigma Machine and where the former name "The Clover" came from, really funny story :lol And it's amazing to see Mangini saying he actually held himself back. Beyond the fact of having a great sense of recognition to what is going on and what he should do according to the mood of what is being played, it also shows he won't go all complex just for the sake of it, since it might not be as musical as a more simple drum part. I just love this guy :heart
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I know Mike isn't about to blast anyone for being dreadful - but it's a bit disappointing that he called Hugh Syme's artwork " AMAZING ".
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I know Mike isn't about to blast anyone for being dreadful - but it's a bit disappointing that he called Hugh Syme's artwork " AMAZING ".
He's not the only one. At the listening party John said that he thought that Syme's work for DT12 was among the best he's ever done.
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I just can't help but grin like a happy idiot when I read anything he says. Talk about one of the most positive, joyful guys I know...
From the interview:
MM: "You'll hear how every little drum hit has a place, like it matches something in the music. I'm very proud of that. I would love for you to enjoy that"
I don't know about anyone else, but this quote from MM has me extremely excited to hear the rest of the album! The dude seriously puts himself and his creativity into every beat of the music. To all of those complaining that he hasn't brought anything fresh to the DT camp yet, something tells me he's looking forward to shutting you all up in a few weeks.
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I know Mike isn't about to blast anyone for being dreadful - but it's a bit disappointing that he called Hugh Syme's artwork " AMAZING ".
Well, I think the artwork for this album is actually pretty awesome (if we ignore the watermark blunder, which is pretty inexcusable).
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I know Mike isn't about to blast anyone for being dreadful - but it's a bit disappointing that he called Hugh Syme's artwork " AMAZING ".
He's not the only one. At the listening party John said that he thought that Syme's work for DT12 was among the best he's ever done.
That's because he doesn't have time to stare at it for hours and find its flaws and look up its sources! :laugh:
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I know Mike isn't about to blast anyone for being dreadful - but it's a bit disappointing that he called Hugh Syme's artwork " AMAZING ".
He's not the only one. At the listening party John said that he thought that Syme's work for DT12 was among the best he's ever done.
That's because he doesn't have time to stare at it for hours and find its flaws and look up its sources! :laugh:
:lol :lol :lol
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I wonder if Mike Mangini has had any negative feelings about anything at all since joining Dream Theater. I find it difficult to imagine.
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I wonder if Mike Mangini has had any negative feelings about anything at all since joining Dream Theater ever. I find it difficult to imagine.
FTFY ;)
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I bet he doesn't like things on high shelves.
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:lol
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I bet he doesn't like things on high shelves.
:rollin
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I bet he doesn't like things on high shelves.
You're an horrible person.
I'm an horrible person too for laugh at that :rollin
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And yet, he puts all those cymbals and stuff so high. Looks so awkward every time I see him play, is it just me? I can't stop thinking that it can't be comfortable.
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I FUCKING LOVE MIKE MANGINI
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I know Mike isn't about to blast anyone for being dreadful - but it's a bit disappointing that he called Hugh Syme's artwork " AMAZING ".
He's not the only one. At the listening party John said that he thought that Syme's work for DT12 was among the best he's ever done.
It's just like how every band ever (with some notable exceptions) in every pre-release interview says this newest album is the best work they've ever done, even when that's clearly not the case. They want you to buy the album. Of course they won't say it sucks.
And they don't want to burn bridges. Even if it was true, it would be colossally stupid to hire the guy for several albums, say he sucks in an interview, and then try to hire him for the next one. It's just bad PR.
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I'm just sitting here thinking that whether or not I like this album will decide whether or not I go see them this first leg of the tour. I mean, I already dislike the major part of everything they did from and including Octavarium up to this point, so that's legitimately almost half of the setlist, add another album they'll be promoting that I'm not sold on and it'll probably be pointless to travel to another country (even if it's relatively close and I get to meet DTFers and I technically speak the language :xbones) and give up a shitload of other shows in this period just to see them.
Even if they do play for three hours or play LTL or SDV or whatever, they've been straying from what I like to listen to since before I even started listening to them, at some point you gotta admit a band and you are going separate ways.
Of course, if the album is as good as everyone says it is, no worries; I'll be sure to approach it with an open mind and eager to like it, just like all other albums. But it wouldn't be the first time something like this happened to me :laugh:
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I must be one of the few people alive who likes Mangini's playing more than his personality.
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I must be one of the few people alive who likes Mangini's playing more than his personality.
What's not to like about his personality?
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Allow me to ask some tricky prog questions. Firstly, Dream Theater and Fates Warning are releasing new albums. If you had both on the same day, which one would you listen to first and why?
I've actually already heard the new Dream Theater and it's awesome.
(Charlie Griffiths, Haken)
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Oh, well, one more clue :D
For some reason I feel more positively about the album than I did 15 minutes ago. I'm very changeable. :facepalm:
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For some reason I feel more positively about the album than I did 15 minutes ago. I'm very changeable. :facepalm:
Along for the Ride is less than 5 minutes long and I started to feel more positively about the album in that time when I listened to the song for the first time :D
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Allow me to ask some tricky prog questions. Firstly, Dream Theater and Fates Warning are releasing new albums. If you had both on the same day, which one would you listen to first and why?
I've actually already heard the new Dream Theater and it's awesome.
(Charlie Griffiths, Haken)
I would listen to the FW album first. Reasons: It's their first album with monster drummer Bobby Jarzombek and it's their first album in 8 years. Jim Matheos also happens to be one of my all time favorite musicians (probably ranking higher than JP) since, imo, his lyrics and music quality haven't declined. Love what he does in OSI and what he did with the music in Arch/Matheos. APSOG is simply a masterpiece musically and conceptually. Also, I think this could be a do or die album for FW. That 8 year hiatus and touring sporadically is, imo again, killing the band. I don't know, personally FW has been a very multifaceted band. If you listen to all of their albums, they are so different from each other (except Parallels and Inside Out), you could say that they are different bands.
As far as not choosing the DT album, well, with DT I kind of know what to expect. Reading the first reviews, it seems like this album is going to sound a bit different from their previous works...which is not a bad thing. I listened to their singles and both of them got me pumped, but Firefly (FW's single) sounded more interesting as of now.
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Oh, well, one more clue :D
For some reason I feel more positively about the album than I did 15 minutes ago. I'm very changeable. :facepalm:
I do felt more positively too about the album after listening to it yesterday.... ;D (inb4 doubts and terror: i happend to attend a listening party by RoadRunner italy)
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I do felt more positively too about the album after listening to it yesterday.... ;D (inb4 doubts and terror: i happend to attend a listening party by RoadRunner italy)
Thats great, cool experience I'm sure! Care to share any thoughts?
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Is there plans for a new forum skin when the album comes out in 13 days?
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Is there plans for a new forum skin when the album comes out in 13 days?
Perhaps.
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(https://www.guitarworld.com/files/imce-images/november%20cover.png)
JP on the iron throne
https://www.guitarworld.com/lord-strings-shred-king-john-petrucci-discusses-dream-theaters-new-self-titled-album
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It's about time he gets a guitar world cover story!
You think they let him keep that throne after the shoot? hahaha.
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Brace yourselves :hefdaddy
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You think they let him keep that throne after the shoot? hahaha.
They didn't give to him for the shoot. It's Petrucci's throne from home.
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I have noticed that cross in a recent interview? Is it something new? I can't remember seeing it before.
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Love the lens flare too. xD
Reminds me of the DT12 cover lens flare speculation.
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That cover is both metal as fuck and absolutely hilarious :metalol:
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for those who aren't familiar with the books or TV show, the GW cover is a play on 'the iron throne' from Game of Thrones (a song of ice and fire).
(https://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/0/0b/Iron_throne_HBO.jpg/250px-Iron_throne_HBO.jpg)
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If you're only seeing only the bottom part of the picture, it makes it seem like JP is sitting in an outhouse :lol I imagine pooing in leather pants in a public toilet is a downright horrible experience.
And I think the JP13 is his best looking guitar since THE Picasso. I've never liked JP's Ernie Balls but this one looks really tempting.
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I do felt more positively too about the album after listening to it yesterday.... ;D (inb4 doubts and terror: i happend to attend a listening party by RoadRunner italy)
Thats great, cool experience I'm sure! Care to share any thoughts?
Sure, even if most of the details, about how the songs are composed, have been very well expressed by Noxon.
I can say i did enjoy it a lot, i think it sounds really more contemporary than ADTOE did (an album i'm still listening very often)... It is indeed a wall of sound, but in a good way to me. I think, but it was a shared opinion among us who were there, as we even managed to give it a second listen, that The Bigger Picture is one of the most beatiful songs DT have ever written. To me it sounded perfect from start to finish.
It's very clear, throughout the album, that JP reeeeally like to play with MM.
I didn't find any real weak track, maybe just a couple didn't click with me immediatly (something that clearly means nothing having heard to them just once).
During a part of IT i wrote on the back of the paper with the setlist "finally JLB!!" and i showed it to the other folks there who were as impressed as i was: this does not mean at all that during the album he doesn't shine. He does, but in another way, singing beatifully in his mid range. But that part... just, wow.
I think it will be very well received from guys who have the same enthusiasm as DT are showing on this album. I think this album brings with it all the energy that who attended one of their last tour show have seen and have underlined.
I know it's not that much, but noxon review was quite exhaustive as far as what each song has in it: from that to how this album is good it's of course all a matter of tastes. And, again, to me it really is.
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I think the JP13 is his best looking guitar since THE Picasso. I've never liked JP's Ernie Balls but this one looks really tempting.
I agree about this being one of the nicest looking EBMM JP guitars. For me it's simply due to the fact they didn't ruin it with the gaudy "Family Ball Reserve" inlay at 12.
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I do felt more positively too about the album after listening to it yesterday.... ;D (inb4 doubts and terror: i happend to attend a listening party by RoadRunner italy)
Thats great, cool experience I'm sure! Care to share any thoughts?
Sure, even if most of the details, about how the songs are composed, have been very well expressed by Noxon.
I can say i did enjoy it a lot, i think it sounds really more contemporary than ADTOE did (an album i'm still listening very often)... It is indeed a wall of sound, but in a good way to me. I think, but it was a shared opinion among us who were there, as we even managed to give it a second listen, that The Bigger Picture is one of the most beatiful songs DT have ever written. To me it sounded perfect from start to finish.
It's very clear, throughout the album, that JP reeeeally like to play with MM.
I didn't find any real weak track, maybe just a couple didn't click with me immediatly (something that clearly means nothing having heard to them just once).
During a part of IT i wrote on the back of the paper with the setlist "finally JLB!!" and i showed it to the other folks there who were as impressed as i was: this does not mean at all that during the album he doesn't shine. He does, but in another way, singing beatifully in his mid range. But that part... just, wow.
I think it will be very well received from guys who have the same enthusiasm as DT are showing on this album. I think this album brings with it all the energy that who attended one of their last tour show have seen and have underlined.
I know it's not that much, but noxon review was quite exhaustive as far as what each song has in it: from that to how this album is good it's of course all a matter of tastes. And, again, to me it really is.
Holy mother of... I've lost the count of how many times I've read or heard people citing JLB's amazing performance on that certain part. I'm getting more and more anxious to hear The Illumination Theory.
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On my way home from the fanclub listening party we arranged in Oslo. About 30 people showed up. We hung out for a bit listening to some assorted dt related music, drinking a few beers before I started the album. I looked around the room, and people were floored. There were many awesome reactions, and I was fun to see people react to the same sections I really liked.
After completing the album, we had a long discussion. Some of the people had read my review but most had not. The funny thing was that a lot of my sentiments were repeated by these people, such as my comments about the mix and about James' performance and melodies.
Overall it was received quite differently. Some people thought the first half was good but the second fell flat, others felt it was the last song that truly shone. Some liked it instantly, others felt it would need more listens. Overall the reception was pretty darn positive. None of them put the bigger picture as their fav track - most said it, surrender to reason and looking glass. Overall, fun times were had.
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Any good vocal harmonies on this album or is it just a bunch of barely-there, reverbed-out stuff in the background? Starting to wonder if these weren't something MP specifically fought for (even if there were James doubling himself).
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On my way home from the fanclub listening party we arranged in Oslo. About 30 people showed up. We hung out for a bit listening to some assorted dt related music, drinking a few beers before I started the album. I looked around the room, and people were floored. There were many awesome reactions, and I was fun to see people react to the same sections I really liked.
After completing the album, we had a long discussion. Some of the people had read my review but most had not. The funny thing was that a lot of my sentiments were repeated by these people, such as my comments about the mix and about James' performance and melodies.
Overall it was received quite differently. Some people thought the first half was good but the second fell flat, others felt it was the last song that truly shone. Some liked it instantly, others felt it would need more listens. Overall the reception was pretty darn positive. None of them put the bigger picture as their fav track - most said it, surrender to reason and looking glass. Overall, fun times were had.
A jealous guy writes this. Shame you didn't have it tomorrow, I will be driving through Olso then and could have found you and snuck in. :coolio
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Which way are you going?
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North, to Hafjell.
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Ah, that's too bad, I live west. ;)
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None of them put the bigger picture as their fav track
Argh, at this point we need to make a bet on how well this song will be received! ;D (not a real bet with money, you know austerity and stuff :))
Anyway, glad to read your listening party went out that well and the album have received a good reaction!
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None of them put the bigger picture as their fav track
Argh, at this point we need to make a bet on how well this song will be received! ;D (not a real bet with money, you know austerity and stuff :))
Anyway, glad to read your listening party went out that well and the album have received a good reaction!
I'm really curious now. What stands out the most for you in The Bigger Picture? Is JP's solo Godly? James' performance?
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None of them put the bigger picture as their fav track
Argh, at this point we need to make a bet on how well this song will be received! ;D (not a real bet with money, you know austerity and stuff :))
Anyway, glad to read your listening party went out that well and the album have received a good reaction!
I'm really curious now. What stands out the most for you in The Bigger Picture? Is JP's solo Godly? James' performance?
As i said, it just a matter of tastes. I did find it perfect from start to finish, and i really liked the ending part with a guitar riff reminding something like Coldplay "Chinese Sleep Chant" (take this with a grain of salt, as i may be reeeealy imprecise). I liked the chorus, the guitar aggressiveness that brings to the chorus. As for now it's really all i can say, 'cause i did listen to it just twice.
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Anything DT "like Coldplay" is sure to be a disastrous fail. But I'm inclined to believe you since a recent review said the track was sure to be divisive.
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Anything DT "like Coldplay" is sure to be a disastrous fail. But I'm inclined to believe you since a recent review said the track was sure to be divisive.
I used that reference because it was the first thing i thought about, but i could have used some others, and only to describe the kind of melody, and by a certain degree the sound, that the guitar make. It's not the case where all the section sounds like that song.
And for me, no: that song won't be that divisive. It will be liked by almost everyone, it's just a matter of how much each of us will like it.
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Anything DT "like Coldplay" is sure to be a disastrous fail. But I'm inclined to believe you since a recent review said the track was sure to be divisive.
I used that reference because it was the first thing i thought about, but i could have used some others, and only to describe the kind of melody, and by a certain degree the sound, that the guitar make. It's not the case where all the section sound like that song.
And for me, no: that song won't be that divisive. It will be liked by almost everyone, it's just a matter of how much each of us will like it.
I see. Do you remember anything about the guitar solo? (If there's a noteworthy one).
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Anything DT "like Coldplay" is sure to be a disastrous fail. But I'm inclined to believe you since a recent review said the track was sure to be divisive.
I used that reference because it was the first thing i thought about, but i could have used some others, and only to describe the kind of melody, and by a certain degree the sound, that the guitar make. It's not the case where all the section sound like that song.
And for me, no: that song won't be that divisive. It will be liked by almost everyone, it's just a matter of how much each of us will like it.
I see. Do you remember anything about the guitar solo? (If there's a noteworthy one).
Eh, i remember there's a little and simple slow one, which i really really liked, but i can't really remember if it evolve in something bigger. Sorry :(
But the album got some great guitar solo moments, that's for sure.
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Dream Theater - Creativity and Productivity Pt. 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOp9tTMSE-A&feature=youtu.be&a (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOp9tTMSE-A&feature=youtu.be&a)
Can anyone be so kind as to tell me if Along for the Ride is heard anywhere in this video? I don't care about The Enemy Inside, but I haven't listened to AFTR yet.
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Dream Theater - Creativity and Productivity Pt. 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOp9tTMSE-A&feature=youtu.be&a (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOp9tTMSE-A&feature=youtu.be&a)
Can anyone be so kind as to tell me if Along for the Ride is heard anywhere in this video? I don't care about The Enemy Inside, but I haven't listened to AFTR yet.
Just TEI behind the entire video. You're fine.
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Thanks Blob :)
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James looks really tired when John is really excited when talking about this theme..
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James looks really tired when John is really excited when talking about this theme..
Bolded for emphasis. Did they wake him up from a nap for this interview, or what?
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James looks really tired when John is really excited when talking about this theme..
Bolded for emphasis. Did they wake him up from a nap for this interview, or what?
Probably jet lag. He was really out of it when doing the interview on the Budokan dvd documentary.
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"Once again, people - jetlag!" :D
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"Once again, people - jetlag!" :D
So James, where was the self titled album recorded and who was the sound engineer?
Um... We recorded the album at... Cove City, right?
And the engineer was Richard Chycki from... Winter Rose, right?
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CONFUUUUUUUUSED OR WHAT?
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CONFUUUUUUUUSED OR WHAT?
Oh lord, helpless.
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It's easy to forget when I'm CONFUUUUUUUUSED OR WHAT?
Fixed :neverusethis:
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CONFYOUSED OR WHAT?
Fixed That For James.
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CON-PH'NOM'NALLY CONF-YOU-SED OR WHAT EH?
Fixed That For James.
FTFY
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:rollin
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Don't see it mentioned here yet, but the album will be streamed in full Monday at 10AM EST.
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New artwork on Instagram. I already see a wrong shadow on the middle photo :facepalm:
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Don't see it mentioned here yet, but the album will be streamed in full Monday at 10AM EST.
Why hasn't the forum gone apeshit
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Well, there is this thread.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38944.0
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I'll ask the stupid question.
I just listen to music, on itunes, ipod, headphones. I'm trying to figure out which version to buy - I miss the old days when I could just buy the CD.
The deluxe has the 5.1 audio - that's not going to be something I would get any benefit out of the way I listen, right ? Or would this sound better even without a surround sound stereo system ?
I think the standard CD is fine for me but at just a few dollars more I don't mind getting the 5.1 if it would sound better.
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I usually buy the CD, if only because I have all the others and I like being consistent. God I'm such an irrational consumer.
Can't answer the 5.1 question though - any audiophiles in the house?
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If the 5.1 version is mixed and mastered better than the CD, it will still sound better when downmixed to stereo. This has nothing to do with number of speakers or surround effects, but with plain dynamic range.
I intend to try a downmixed version of the 5.1 mix for regular use. I did the same thing for Opeth's Still Life, where the CD mix is terrible and the surround mix of the special edition is great (seriously, it has made Still Life one of my favourite Opeth albums).
I can't foresee whether the 5.1 mix of DT12 is any better than the CD mix though, it's possible that both are equally brickwalled.
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If the 5.1 version is mixed and mastered better than the CD, it will still sound better when downmixed to stereo. This has nothing to do with number of speakers or surround effects, but with plain dynamic range.
Thanks - so the 5.1 will play like a regular CD and could (or could not) sound better. I have the deluxe preordered and will stick with that. I just didn't want to pay the extra few $$$ if there was no chance I'd like it better but it sounds like it's worth having both options.
I can't believe it's almost here.
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The 5.1 version downmixed to 2.0 does not sound good at all. it fluxuated wildly in volume and is even more stuffy than the stereo mix. DO not recommend.
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The 5.1 version downmixed to 2.0 does not sound good at all. it fluxuated wildly in volume and is even more stuffy than the stereo mix. DO not recommend.
So just getting the regular CD is the best bet then ? This is SO confusing ;D
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The 5.1 version downmixed to 2.0 does not sound good at all. it fluxuated wildly in volume and is even more stuffy than the stereo mix. DO not recommend.
How did you downmix it?
Thanks - so the 5.1 will play like a regular CD and could (or could not) sound better.
No, it will not play like a CD. You will need to rip the audio stream from the DVD, decompress it to wav, downmix it with a tool like "sox" and burn the result on a CD-R.
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The 5.1 version downmixed to 2.0 does not sound good at all. it fluxuated wildly in volume and is even more stuffy than the stereo mix. DO not recommend.
Does the dvd have the 2.0 mix?
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Downmixed it by listening to it on my surround system but setting the mix to stereo instead of 5.1, and also by pushing it through VLC as stereo. Neither sounded good.
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My girlfriend surprised me with the confirmation email for the box set! :metal
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I guess I should really decide which version I'm gonna preorder.........
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My girlfriend surprised me with the confirmation email for the box set! :metal
That's so sweet! :heart
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I guess I should really decide which version I'm gonna preorder.........
I'm not going to preorder anything. It will be out on the 24th, I will just go buy it.
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I guess I should really decide which version I'm gonna preorder.........
I'm not going to preorder anything. It will be out on the 24th, I will just go buy it.
Me too.
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I preordered only because the CD came with autographs.
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I preordered only because the CD came with autographs.
This.
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I preordered only because the CD came with autographs.
What?
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I guess I should really decide which version I'm gonna preorder.........
I'm not going to preorder anything. It will be out on the 24th, I will just go buy it.
Me too.
Same here. And btw, the saleswoman at my local store said they'll put it on the shelves on the 21st, so....Me happy!
B.Lee
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Anybody else notice the rope about to break in today's artwork? Similar to ADToE. I think that's kind of cool.
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It's probably the same rope.
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Anybody else notice the rope about to break in today's artwork? Similar to ADToE. I think that's kind of cool.
Perhaps it's to tie the two together.
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I preordered only because the CD came with autographs.
What?
recordstore.co.uk! Try to see if there's any still left! Hurry up!
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Anybody care to post the bigger picture? ;D
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Anybody care to post the bigger picture? ;D
DON'T ASK FOR LEAKS! :bosk1:
Oh wait...
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Nvm, I stopped being lazy and did it myself:
(https://i.imgur.com/v6emork.jpg)
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:lol I actually quite like that one.
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Best one yet!
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I like it a lot!
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is the rope breaking a nod to ADTOE ?
Oh wait - course not. My bad. it's Hugh Syme. :neverusethis:
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That poor guy is going to fall :o
My favorite so far :tup
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Yeah, that one's actually pretty cool :tup
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Funny though, look at the rope. The shadow on the building is on the left side of the rope, but on the rope itself it's on the right side ???
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That's the exact same rope break as ADTOE isn't it?
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The glass reeeeally looks fake, but cool concept nevertheless. :tup
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I preordered only because the CD came with autographs.
What?
recordstore.co.uk! Try to see if there's any still left! Hurry up!
Thanks for this!!! Just bought my signed copy!!
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Funny though, look at the rope. The shadow on the building is on the left side of the rope, but on the rope itself it's on the right side ???
To be fair to Hugh ( I haven't been so far!) I like this one. If this had been the cover I wouldn't have complained. I would have liked the incomplete look to the Majesty logo.
I wouldn't have spotted the shadow thing but it's definitely a mistake.
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This one is pretty awesome. :metal
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I thought that was the reflection of the rope.
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Liking this one. :tup
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This would be fine if not for the rope breaking. That seems like a completely unnecessary reference.
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Mangini is the guy hanging on the rope, cleaning the DT building that was left dirty by MP, while the rope that is about to break is the criticism imposed over Mangini.
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Found a watermark. Front of the guys pants when he realizes the rope broke.
:rollin
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Found a watermark. Front of the guys pants when he realizes the rope broke.
:rollin
:rollin
I didn't catch that and actually went up to look.
Well played.
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Found a watermark. Front of the guys pants when he realizes the rope broke.
:rollin
That's not water :lol
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:rollin
SYMEEEE!!!! :getoffmylawn:
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Mangini is the guy hanging on the rope, cleaning the DT building that was left dirty by MP, while the rope that is about to break is the criticism imposed over Mangini.
I thought that Mike Portnoy was the guy on the rope because when he falls it ends the man's marriage to the beautiful woman that is DT
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:lol
I almost had to double check for the watermark...caught the joke a split second before I was going to.
I'm proud of myself :tup
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Check JP's facebook. He's going to be playing "a couple" of the songs from the new album on this radio station tonight.
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Listening to that station now. I hope the couple of songs aren't TEI and AFTR.
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Listening to that station now. I hope the couple of songs aren't TEI and AFTR.
Pretty sure those will be the two.
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i wish JP gave us a time to tune in to WBAB
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9PM EST
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Lol that is Breaking Bad time.
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Listening to that station now. I hope the couple of songs aren't TEI and AFTR.
Pretty sure those will be the two.
Pretty sure he would have phrased it differently if he were just going to play the two songs that are already released and readily available for anyone to listen to on numerous platforms.
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I want to listen to it, but the pop-up streaming window gives me the message "Sorry, this content is not available." Either my adblocker is fucking it, or I need to update my flash player.
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It's starting now
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Lol...already two memtions of Winery Dogs. Just ironic.
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also audiophiles should sit this one out if JP shows some new music
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This rock station is 100x better than my local rock station.
This is my first post and I just joined the forum after months of reading everything, so hello everyone!
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Dream Theater please...
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it is a pretty cool station. never heard yngwie on the radio before. and obviously JP isn't there yet
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I thinking the same thing. :lol The show before this was really good. I'm jealous of Long Island radio
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Maybe they'll talk at some point too :lol
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Oooooh JP :hefdaddy
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JP is talking now. talking previous songs played so far
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A half hour in and still no new tunes. Come on, Fingers! Let's go, man!
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I don't think it will be Along For The Ride.... it'd be kinda out of place
And Fingers just mentioned world premiere
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This station plays a good variety of tunes AND tells you what they are.
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World premiere a new track... WOW!
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Brand new track premiere just confirmed. No title given.
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They said world premiere :o
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The host just said they'd premier a new track tonight. Anyone want to bet they premier The Looking Glass? Either that or Behind the Veil.
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I'm literally 5 minutes from the WBAB station right now. Tempted to drive over and watch JP through the window.
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I'm literally 5 minutes from the WBAB station right now. Tempted to drive over and watch JP through the window.
Run up to the window and press your nipple against it for the rest of us who can't be there.
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I'm literally 5 minutes from the WBAB station right now. Tempted to drive over and watch JP through the window.
Run up to the window and press your nipple against it for the rest of us who can't be there.
:rollin
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it might still be TEI. it's 'old' to us. new to the common radio listener
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I would, but i dont wanna freak him out. I'm sure i'd be the only fan there, and it would be like 11 pm on a sunday night. Talk about creeper, lol.
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I'm literally 5 minutes from the WBAB station right now. Tempted to drive over and watch JP through the window.
Run up to the window and press your nipple against it for the rest of us who can't be there.
:rollin
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Enemy Inside
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NOOOOOO IT'S ENEMY INSIDE
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It doesn't mean they won't play another song
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Yea, i'm sure fingers knows this was released a while ago. We want a NEW Song.
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NOOOOOO IT'S ENEMY INSIDE
Playing The Enemy Inside doesn't mean they won't play anything else.
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Anyone outside the US listening to it? It shows me a message saying that the media is not available :sadpanda:
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JP did say a "couple" songs. I am almost positive that one other song will be played. Ironically, I'll be tuning out temporarily since I'm not listening to anything before me and my friend sit down tomorrow night to listen to the official stream (assuming the quality is good enough).
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there's no way they wouldn't play TEI. it's the single so far. and it is new to the common person. not us DT crazies
This intro to TEI rips. wonder what it would be like to hear this as someone who doesn't know anything about DT
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Yea, the intro is just as metal as it gets. So many notes. :metal
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The Enemy Inside has to be one of my least favorite DT songs..
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This song has really grown on me since the first listen. :metal
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THE LOOKING GLASS
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The Looking Glass now!
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holy shit here we go
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Oh, baby! My heart is racing in anticipation!!
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Time to tune out in a moment :lol
Can someone please post as soon as the song is over please?
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Already sounds very Rush-y!
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Rush influence is clear from the get-go.
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Limelight!
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Such an awesome clean-tone!
That limelight/innocence faded description of this song is spot-on.
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Some huge vocals. I'm loving this.
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i'm loving this. SO MUCH.
TEI, AFTR, and now the looking glass
all completely different which is great thing
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This sounds pretty meh for me so far. But I feel like it'll get better.
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:hefdaddy
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Vocal sections reminds of Labrie's EOP.
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MYUNG
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Oh damn, breakdown here we go.
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why the stream from their website doesn't work in my country??? :'(
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dat solo
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Time to tune out in a moment :lol
Can someone please post as soon as the song is over please?
This. I almost caved and listened to it but I want to hear it in context of the album.
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Well this blows doors on TEI and AFTR. i am simply amazed by this song.
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The song is over.
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My reaction to that song:
(https://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa383/TisBOOLsheet/jpg/squeezenips.jpg)
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Wow, that song had Rush written all over it. Great!
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My reaction to that song:
(https://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa383/TisBOOLsheet/jpg/squeezenips.jpg)
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R***
:rollin
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Phew, managed to resist the temptation of listening to it. Thanks for posting that the song was over!
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Well, so far I've thought none of the three songs I've heard from the album have been anything spectacular for me... My hopes for the album have been very diminished at this point. But of course Enigma Machine and Illumination Theory have to be good.
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That's a pretty accurate reaction for me, too.
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My reaction to that song:
(https://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa383/TisBOOLsheet/jpg/squeezenips.jpg)
and ejaculate all over the place
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Phew, managed to resist the temptation of listening to it. Thanks for posting that the song was over!
:metal
YAY, CONGRATS. I DIDN'T LISTEN TO IT EITHER.
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Phew, managed to resist the temptation of listening to it. Thanks for posting that the song was over!
You're welcome! :tup
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I LOVED that song and everything about it. The Rush influence was very apparent, and it worked really well. Instant classic for me.
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Welp, guess I missed that one. No biggie, I'll hear it tomorrow.
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I caught about half of that... I really liked what I heard!!!
JPs solo was insanely cool !!!
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definitely my favorite of the 3 songs released so far
"we give out depends at every show" - JP
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Well, so far I've thought none of the three songs I've heard from the album have been anything spectacular for me... My hopes for the album have been very diminished at this point. But of course Enigma Machine and Illumination Theory have to be good.
I would agree on the first 2 tracks but TLG is an amazing track. sorry.
My expecations were boosted due to The Looking Glass. CANNOT WAIT!
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Didn't like it. Hopefully it grows on me.
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"we give out depends at every show" - JP
:lol :lol :lol
I love John so much.
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definitely my favorite of the 3 songs released so far
"we give out depends at every show" - JP
That was hilarious!!! :rollin
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They are giving away a copy of the new album later in the show. if i win it, i'm making them give it to me tonight. im 10 mins from the studio. i cant wait until tomorrow.
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wow, different reactions to this track, as for TEI and AFTR...this album is gonna divide the fanbase...anyway, how was the mix and the quality of the stream?
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The quality was rather poor. Nothing unexpected.
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The drums sounded great like on TEI. I'm thinkng they will sound better on AFTR once we get the real thing.
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The quality was terrible but the music was lovely
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I didn't get to hear it. That Breaking Bad episode > TLG
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I didn't get to hear it. That Breaking Bad episode > TLG
Ugh, i didnt watch yet. Gonna catch the rerun at 11:30. DT > Breaking Bad for me!
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I didn't get to hear it. That Breaking Bad episode > TLG
Ugh, i didnt watch yet. Gonna catch the rerun at 11:30. DT > Breaking Bad for me!
Trust me. You are in for a treat.
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For real. I'm sorry, but this BB episode was far more worth while than any kind of sneak-peak on the dream theater album. Best episode of the series so far, anyone?
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For real. I'm sorry, but this BB episode was far more worth while than any kind of sneak-peak on the dream theater album. Best episode of the series so far, anyone?
It might be.
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holy shit they're going to play ANOTHER song!!!
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For real. I'm sorry, but this BB episode was far more worth while than any kind of sneak-peak on the dream theater album. Best episode of the series so far, anyone?
I'm kind a pissed off that this was happening while i was watching BB xD, but anyways we will get it tomorrow and BB WAS SO EPIC TODAY!
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holy shit they're going to play ANOTHER song!!!
That seems to be right.
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For real. I'm sorry, but this BB episode was far more worth while than any kind of sneak-peak on the dream theater album. Best episode of the series so far, anyone?
That being said...
Is someone going to post a link to the songs that were played tonight while epicness was happening on the television?
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He said "another song that has never been played on the radio." Probably "Along for the Ride."
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He said "another song that has never been played on the radio." Probably "Along for the Ride."
I'm guessing that. I will still listen just in case it's another new one. Currently they're playing Beyond the Realms of Death by Judas Priest, this station rocks! :metal
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If anyone spoils anything from the new BB's in a perfectly innocent Dream Theater thread, I will kill myself. Please don't make me kill myself.
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If anyone spoils anything from the new BB's in a perfectly innocent Dream Theater thread, I will kill myself. Please don't make me kill myself.
My mouth is closed, get ready for an amazing ride bro :tup
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If anyone spoils anything from the new BB's in a perfectly innocent Dream Theater thread, I will kill myself. Please don't make me kill myself.
Not a word from me. It's good, that's all you need to know. It's fucking good.
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Ah yes, Along for the Ride
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They're playing AFTR as expected.
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Aww, we've already heard this song =/
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What song did they play? The Looking Glass?
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Maybe another (!!!) new one after?
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What song did they play? The Looking Glass?
yes and it was beautiful
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Maybe another (!!!) new one after?
it sure as hell sounded like they were going to play another new song! :metal
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What song did they play? The Looking Glass?
yes and it was beautiful
I don't need you to tell me how it sounded. I just needed to know which song it was. I think the song's ok.
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Could you guys tell me when/if they're playing another?
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What song did they play? The Looking Glass?
yes and it was beautiful
I don't need you to tell me how it sounded. I just needed to know which song it was. I think the song's ok.
Don't get your panties all in a knot. DT just released a new song, and I think it was great. Relax and enjoy. :biggrin:
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TEI. TLG. AFTR
that's it. not to be ungrateful or anything. we do have a full stream tomorrow!
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TEI. TLG. AFTR
that's it. not to be ungrateful or anything. we do have a full stream tomorrow!
I'm going to have to try to listen to the album at work without giving away that my mind isn't on any work at all. Should be interesting considering my boss sits next to me.
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Is someone going to post a link to the songs that were played tonight while epicness was happening on the television?
That would not be advised.
Listen to the stream tomorrow.
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TEI. TLG. AFTR
that's it. not to be ungrateful or anything. we do have a full stream tomorrow!
I'm going to have to try to listen to the album at work without giving away that my mind isn't on any work at all. Should be interesting considering my boss sits next to me.
Hook your boss up with the stream!
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TEI. TLG. AFTR
that's it. not to be ungrateful or anything. we do have a full stream tomorrow!
I'm going to have to try to listen to the album at work without giving away that my mind isn't on any work at all. Should be interesting considering my boss sits next to me.
Hook your boss up with the stream!
:rollin
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Just under 9 hours, guys!
I got a class that ends at 11:15am and then a nice gap until my next at 1:50pm. Definitely enough time to get several listens of this album in its entirety.
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Damn, I'm too excited about this to sleep right now.
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Why didn't they release TLG as a single? That would have been great
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Why didn't they release TLG as a single? That would have been great
Agreed. I think TLG would have made a better single than AFTR.
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Why didn't they release TLG as a single? That would have been great
Agreed. I think TLG would have made a better single than AFTR.
I disagree.
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I'm not sure AFTR counts as a "single" for the album in any concrete sense. I think it's just a track they streamed before the album came out.
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Yeah maybe. I dunno if TLG would have been a better single strategically, but I definitely enjoy it more than TEI.
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Why didn't they release TLG as a single? That would have been great
Maybe because it sounded too much like another single from a different prog band.
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Haven't listened yet...but is it really that much of a Rush ripoff?
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Haven't listened yet...but is it really that much of a Rush ripoff?
There's is noticeable similarity to Limelight, but I wouldn't say it's a "ripoff"
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WHAT THE HELL DID I MISS?
:sadpanda:
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What a delicious song!
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Looking glass... good song, much better than the singles.
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best DT track in a LONG time. wow...
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And it's not even the best one on the album, for me the bigger picture and IT are really awesome!!
PS: before everyone go crazy, I won a contest and i went to RR office in Italy for a listening party!
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Living in this timezone can suck sometimes... :-\ I could've listened to the premiere of TLG because it's just one song and not the full album.
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Wow....DT should have named this album "Chorus" from all the effects they're using
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I'm so happy I heard something like that! The JP solo with JM on the background is definitely a Dream Theater moment!
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Why didn't they release TLG as a single? That would have been great
Agreed. I think TLG would have made a better single than AFTR.
I disagree.
I disagree too. After 3 listens, AFTR is a much better song IMO
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And it's not even the best one on the album, for me the bigger picture and IT are really awesome!!
PS: before everyone go crazy, I won a contest and i went to RR office in Italy for a listening party!
What about Surrender To Reason?
Oh, nevermind... We all gonna be able to hear it Monday anyway :-\
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And it's not even the best one on the album, for me the bigger picture and IT are really awesome!!
PS: before everyone go crazy, I won a contest and i went to RR office in Italy for a listening party!
What about Surrender To Reason?
Oh, nevermind... We all gonna be able to hear it Monday anyway :-\
isn't monday just...now? :biggrin:
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I heard some Camera Eye in there too. Old school for sure, could have came off of I&W, but much better. It's so different............. :metal
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And it's not even the best one on the album, for me the bigger picture and IT are really awesome!!
PS: before everyone go crazy, I won a contest and i went to RR office in Italy for a listening party!
What about Surrender To Reason?
Oh, nevermind... We all gonna be able to hear it Monday anyway :-\
isn't monday just...now? :biggrin:
(https://i.imgur.com/d4AQ0.jpg)
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DAT GUITAR SOLO...
:o :hefdaddy :metal
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6.5 hours to go! :woot:
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DAT GUITAR SOLO...
:o :hefdaddy :metal
:metal
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Very tasty song and compact.It reminded me ,apaprt from Rush,Another Won.I think it'll grow on me,listen after listen.Now,that's encouraging forumers!
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DAT GUITAR SOLO...
:o :hefdaddy :metal
yeah...that is definitely intense.
I just can't wait anymore. I'm listening to LMR and trying to keep calm but isn't working.
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I didn't hear the TLG today. I can't decide if I'm gonna listen to the stream tomorrow or wait until I have a copy of the CD. I am worried about the sound quality. I know it's not a huge difference, but when I compared the soundcloud of TEI to the download I purchased of it, there was a very clear difference in quality just because of the compression difference and I was in fact able to enjoy the song a little more because of that. I don't want to hear new absolutely amazing DT music and be thinking in the back of my head "Well that sounds off, why is the ______ all muddy and _______" etc. INDECISION
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The sort of old-school style of The Looking Glass and the quality I heard it in makes it sound like it should have been on Cleaning Out the Closet. It would have fit right in and if someone told me it was an old demo or something that would have been on there but didn't make it for some reason I would have believed it.
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really good track! really limelight-y riff... I'm sure I will even like it more when I'll listen to it with a better quality in the stream today, even though soundcloud quality is not the best, but I don't mind it. The only thing I don't like is the ending. PAPAPAPAPAAAAAA end. There should've been somethng else. Otherwise :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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really good track! really limelight-y riff... I'm sure I will even like it more when I'll listen to it with a better quality in the stream today, even though soundcloud quality is not the best, but I don't mind it. The only thing I don't like is the ending. PAPAPAPAPAAAAAA end. There should've been somethng else. Otherwise :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
The weird finale is the trademark of perfection. See: pull me under.
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The weird finale is the trademark of perfection. See: pull me under.
agreed. and that solo with myung again on the foreground. just wow :o
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yeah, I like the PMU finale, but this one felt like this
"Uhmm.. it's over? uh, ok."
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Please read the new guidelines and move ANY SPOILER DISCUSSION to the new thread.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38972.0
This thread will remain open for spoiler free discussion and speculation.
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Well, i'm listening to the Enemy Inside again :rollin
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I just heard the whole album! :metal :metal :metal :biggrin: :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I've tried to remember the songs after the first listening ... it's almost imposible, i think I (WE) have to congratulate the guys who went to the listening party,they did an amazing job with the songs review
Spoiler alert : This band is amazing!!! ;D
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I'm sorry if this has already been asked/answered, but does anyone know if we will be able to listen to the album up until the 24th? Because I don't want to listen if I have to wait another week before it's mine forever :D
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Okay Illumination Theory is much better than I expected. Not on par with 8VM (although I' ve only listened to IT two times, so it might grow on me), but lots of awesomeness nonetheless :tup
move ANY SPOILER DISCUSSION to the new thread.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38972.0
This thread will remain open for spoiler free discussion and speculation.
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I'm sorry, but does my post really contain any spoilers? I'm only saying that I like IT, nothing specific :huh:
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Listening to the album now. So far, very disappointed. Music without salt.
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I won't be listening! It's really hard, but I'll wait for my CD to arrive to ensure that the sound quality is the best I can get. Luckily my CD will probably arrive Friday or Saturday :metal
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Guys, spoiler free discussion means discussion between people who have not heard the album. Please respect those with whom you may differ on what constitutes a "Spoiler".
We have a separate thread just for those who want to discuss the album freely: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38972.0
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Alright
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Guys, spoiler free discussion means discussion between people who have not heard the album. Please respect those with whom you may differ on what constitutes a "Spoiler".
We have a separate thread just for those who want to discuss the album freely: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38972.0
This. If you've heard the album and are posting about the content, you probably really should be posting in the other thread.
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I just can't post here anymore lol
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I haven't checked this thread for a few months because I really want to keep what I know about the album to the minimum. I don't want to know which songs are soft, heavy, long, short. I actually didn't want to know which one was the instrumental, or how long TEI was, but now I do, but it's not a huge deal.
Anyway, without too much description, I'm wondering just how good do you guys think the album is? I'm curious to know, but it's really not gonna affect my opinion of it.. I mean Systematic Chaos is still one of my favorite albums.
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Does anyone have a really high quality version of the album art (without the line cut-through)? Google hasn't helped and I've gone through the first 50 pages of this thread.
EDIT: Continued my search. Found this. Lemme know if anyone has a higher resolution!
https://assets.network.roadrunnerrecords.com/system/board_posts/post_images/40233/full_DT.New.WEB.Cover.jpg
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Can anyone tell me how the sound quality of the stream is? Like for example, compare the quality of TEI on this stream to how a download from iTunes or wherever sounds. Is this stream just the same quality as it was for TEI's first stream?
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Can anyone tell me how the sound quality of the stream is? Like for example, compare the quality of TEI on this stream to how a download from iTunes or wherever sounds. Is this stream just the same quality as it was for TEI's first stream?
The quality is actually really, really really good! I'd be so happy if this was how the CD sounded :) even TEI sounds better
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Can anyone tell me how the sound quality of the stream is? Like for example, compare the quality of TEI on this stream to how a download from iTunes or wherever sounds. Is this stream just the same quality as it was for TEI's first stream?
The quality is actually really, really really good! I'd be so happy if this was how the CD sounded :) even TEI sounds better
Yeah the production is pretty cool. Obviously the CD will be better but no complaints from me. You get used to the loud drums quite quickly.
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It sounds pretty compressed but I think that's probably just how the album will sound. I love the mix itself though, the balance is fantastic!
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Instrumental version of TEI on the Japanese CD:
https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPZR-30479
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Instrumental version of TEI on the Japanese CD:
https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=WPZR-30479
Nice! :tup
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It sounds pretty compressed but I think that's probably just how the album will sound. I love the mix itself though, the balance is fantastic!
I was a bit worried when I heard Along For The Ride for the first time but the album sounds really great. And will only sound better on CD.
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Prediction
4:26 - 4:52 of Enigma Machine is going to blow minds
(disclaimer: This is based on absolutely nothing.)
Hey remember this Jay ?
We should check it out now the album is out and has been for ages :lol
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How bored are you to bring up something a year and a half old? :lol ;)
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Prediction
4:26 - 4:52 of Enigma Machine is going to blow minds
(disclaimer: This is based on absolutely nothing.)
Hey remember this Jay ?
We should check it out now the album is out and has been for ages :lol
If he had extended that to 5:02, it would have been the entire phrase that included the wicked drum solo :omg:
Also 4:26 actually is the start of a phrase
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Yeah pretty good timing. 4:26 is literally the downbeat of that section.
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I WIN
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Currently listening to DT12 now. I didn't want to start a new thread...
This album has way too hot of a mix, and the sound is a little hollow to me. This was the first DT release where I was disappointed on release and first couple of listens. This album basically destroyed my overall interest in Dream Theater and modern prog overall, and I have (and still do) felt that prog from established or semi-established acts from the 90s and 2000s have been putting out sub-par music since 2012, with rare exception.
As for the tunes, I view this album in 3 parts.
First third: Opening instrumental til Enigma Machine. Classic moments throughout, but a little too technical for technical's sake, one thing that MP rarely let happen were odd time stuff that sounds choppy and lacks flow, like anyone can come up with crazy odd time sections on a MIDI program on the computer, DT just have a drummer that can handle that stuff. The Looking Glass is a great song, even if the Rush inspired main riff sounds choppy and should have been in 4/4 or worked on a little more to make it seem more interesting. Overall the tune is classic DT, the rest of the tunes have their moments but could have used more time and work, The Enemy Inside is fine, but the main key/guitar melody could have been worked on more as well to be more complete.
Second third: The Bigger Picture to Along For The Ride. Although I think TBP might be the strongest single song on the album, it feels similar in 'sound' to the remainder of the album, a sound that is prevalent on all the Mangini-era albums, and I don't feel like any songs in this part of the album has their own identity. There's a lot of good ideas here, but nothing connects to me, seems like a bunch of B-sides surrounded by stronger material.
Final third: Illumination Theory. I'm listening to this and typing in real time. Opening reminds me of Haken. The driving riff is cool, one of the best parts of the song. A lot of this reminds me of late-2000s DT. Hmm.. more Haken sounding stuff. Verses remind me of one of something of FII, can't place it, I think it's Just Let Me Breathe. Chorus goes back into that 'sound' I described in the previous paragraph. Some instrumental passage. Goes into the ambient section with hints of world music. I like this part, it's serene, and flows out of the previous riffage well. I've always felt this section and the next don't really belong with the rest of the epic... Over time, I guess I've grown accustomed to it. The orchestral section is beautiful, and has made me shed a tear once or twice, the live version sure did. I think more could have been done with it, or perhaps its role in the entire epic could have bee worked on, but the section itself is pretty much perfect, I kinda wish it lasted longer.
And then in come that BASS. Then the rest of the band comes in and it's like "oh, right, I forgot I was listening to a Dream Theater song." Maybe that's a good thing sometimes, but as I said, it's like they added that ambient/orchestral sections in between the main piece. All this riffage suddenly is making me question what the point of all the beautiful parts were for? Holy cow, though, some of this instrumental stuff is crazy. I like that part at 13:56ish before Jordan's keyboard solo. His solo is standard Rudess era DT stuff. The riff underneath is the one from the beginning of the song, and it's cool, but the road to get from there to here just seems like patch work to me. Climax is alright, seems a bit underwhelming, could have used more build up to it, but it may also because it's drenched in that Mangini era DT sound, I don't know how to describe it, it's James' processed vocals, the chord progressions, etc... The outro is classic similar to the ending of Octavarium. Overall, I think the band should have had masters of 20-30 minute epics like Neal Morse or Roine Stolt in the studio to help them put IT together.
I've always felt like the Easter Egg at the end is one of the best moments of the Mangini era, and of course, way too brief. Need more of this. Just jam off this stuff guys. Of course it makes the track length fake news-y because IT is really a 19 minute epic... I never liked "hidden tracks".
So in all, more enjoyable than The Astonishing for me, but I still rank it low on my DT album rankings, like 2nd or 3rd to last, even with IT on the album. Too many criticisms that I can't get over.