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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Tripp on April 25, 2012, 01:08:46 AM
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seems a bit sudden, and soon.
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Trying a different approach, are we? No more writing in the studio?
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I was just about to post this :tup
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I was just about to post this :tup
2 slo
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Checks FB page. "Posted 11 minutes ago."
Damn, you guys go fast. XD
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I find it amusing that they started writing the next album while jet lagged. Reminds me of the DT plane from ADTOE, the next album's predecessor, haha. :lol
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Probably just throwing some ideas at each other and jamming. Great news nevertheless !
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Ashton posting a serious thread about Dream Theater?
Well, now I've seen it all.
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I don't think it's too sudden. This would hopefully mean they spend longer writing the new album, and I assume will involve MM. This is good news, and hopefully results in a better album.
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Ashton posting a serious thread about Dream Theater?
Well, now I've seen it all.
I only posted because no one else had done so in the 18 seconds after Petrucci tweeted about it.
#yolo
I don't think it's too sudden. This would hopefully mean they spend longer writing the new album, and I assume will involve MM. This is good news, and hopefully results in a better album.
To be honest, you're probably right. But, they've also been stuck in this "Album every two years" deal for quite a while, and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they went ahead and took a little bit longer than usual to actually record this album. A four year wait for an album would be a nice change of pace. Chances are if they're starting the process now, and sticking with the every two year plan, there's a good choice they'll have some good material by the time they hit the studio in the middle of next year.
Can't wait to see what Mangini comes up with, I'd like to see what he could bring to the table.
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Each era of the band is so incredibly recognizable. When DS joined the band and FII came out, it was a profound change. When Jordan joined, there was yet another profound sound change and direction. When MM came on board, the band did have a sense of change but it hasn't been fully realized. I think once this new album comes out that is when the new era will truly be ushered in for DT imo. We'll get to hear what this band comes up with as a whole and my bet is it's going to not only be truly different, but it's going to blow us away in the best of ways. I can't wait!
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Ashton posting a serious thread about Dream Theater?
Well, now I've seen it all.
I only posted because no one else had done so in the 18 seconds after Petrucci tweeted about it.
#yolo
I don't think it's too sudden. This would hopefully mean they spend longer writing the new album, and I assume will involve MM. This is good news, and hopefully results in a better album.
To be honest, you're probably right. But, they've also been stuck in this "Album every two years" deal for quite a while, and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they went ahead and took a little bit longer than usual to actually record this album. A four year wait for an album would be a nice change of pace. Chances are if they're starting the process now, and sticking with the every two year plan, there's a good choice they'll have some good material by the time they hit the studio in the middle of next year.
Can't wait to see what Mangini comes up with, I'd like to see what he could bring to the table.
They'll be hitting the studio middle of this year, I believe -- middle of next year would be two years since ADToE, roughly release time!
Read "middle of" as "Septemberish," natch. Maybe couple of months later, seeing as ADToE came out a couple of months later than standard. Poooossibly January next year? But if they're sticking to the traditional schedule, going in middle of next year would push the next album to 2014.
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You're completely right, either I wasn't thinking or my sense of time is completely off. Woops!
Anywho, chances are they'll stick to the regular two year basis, seeing as they've begun writing fairly early. How long, before each album release, do they normally take to release stuff like Artwork/Track listings and such?
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Ashton posting a serious thread about Dream Theater?
Well, now I've seen it all.
I only posted because no one else had done so in the 18 seconds after Petrucci tweeted about it.
#yolo
Anything can be justified with #yolo
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Jaw dropped at the announcement, didnt expect somethign so fast. Look forward to the Mangini writing chemistry. Have to go a whiles back to when DT wrote songs on the road. Awake maybe?
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Sounds good to me.
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GUYS! No, this is not how we write music! We need to go into the studio with no material or ideas. We write from scratch!
In all seriousness, I am pumped for this. It's a new way of them writing the music. This is great
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if the video from the backstage in zurich means something, the next album will make the Earth explode...
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Sounds good to me.
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In all seriousness, I am pumped for this. It's a new way of them writing the music. This is great
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In all seriousness, I am pumped for this. It's a new way of them writing the music. This is great
Well I'm not sure about new. But I don't think they've done it since the I&W tour. Possibly the Awake tour.
And I agree that this is great news.
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if the video from the backstage in zurich means something, the next album will make the Earth explode...
This. Holy shit, that Rudess/Mangini tune was fucking insanity.
Zurrich Backstage "Behind The Madness" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8acRByh79dU&feature=plcp&context=C43bc414VDvjVQa1PpcFMcbollc8uDaEOsIfURcKoqB6eOTCju19c=)
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They're probably anxious to get MM involved in the writing process. Cool...
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Actually, I think it's a GOOD THING that they're not doing the strict "OKWEREINTHESTUDIONOWTOWRITEANALBUM" thing. I always thought that songwriting is best when it's done on the spur of inspiration, not when it's forced by some scheduled studio time.
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Not too soon. Whenever the creative juices start flowing is when to start.
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Trying a different approach, are we? No more writing in the studio?
Thank. God.
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We'll get to hear what this band comes up with as a whole and my bet is it's going to not only be truly different, but it's going to blow us away in the best of ways. I can't wait!
Sounds good to me! Also sounds good that it's not being forced, as if they 'have' to write something.
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Forsaken ...... I have come for you tonight
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They'll be hitting the studio middle of this year, I believe -- middle of next year would be two years since ADToE, roughly release time!
Dunno about them going into the studio *that* soon Rob. Even if they don't do one more leg after the North American leg, they'll be finishing at almost the same time that they did for BCaSL (not including the final 2 "one-off" dates in Japan). When the band met to discuss their plans at the beginning of September (when MP dropped the bomb of wanting a hiatus), they had planned on going into the studio at the beginning of 2011 even with MP. So my guess is that they'll probably follow a similar pattern once again, unless you can reference something the guys have said that proves otherwise.
Jaw dropped at the announcement, didnt expect somethign so fast. Look forward to the Mangini writing chemistry. Have to go a whiles back to when DT wrote songs on the road. Awake maybe?
The last time you could say was probably on Touring Into Infinity, maybe Metropolis 2000. I know at least one of the riffs in The Glass Prison actually came out of soundcheck jam that MP and JM did while on the road for Touring Into Infinity. MP told me he threw it out there during the writing for SFaM but it didn't fit, then threw it out there as a possibility during the writing for SDoIT. Granted, they weren't probably fleshing out full songs at that point, but it's hard to say how developed the song ideas that JP's speaking of are at this point.
Once the band started doing Evening With tours, I think a lot of their time was spent rehearsing and maintaining (keeping their chops up) of material for upcoming shows, so the chance to jam and develop new ideas fell by the wayside; I don't believe it was strictly because of MP's insistence of writing together as a band in the studio.
GUYS! No, this is not how we write music! We need to go into the studio with no material or ideas. We write from scratch!
LOL! Well I know MP was always about collaborating, but there were times when ideas from the past would be included, tho of late, typically from a previous album-writing session (a lot of I Walk Beside You was actually developed during the Train of Thought sessions, but set aside since it didn't fit the vibe of the album; also see my reference about The Glass Prison riff above). Nonetheless, I agree with KNH's point that it makes more sense to write when inspired than being forced to do so because of scheduled studio time.
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Very nice news. They've always been jamming and bouncing ideas off each other while touring, but they must have come up with a really great idea that's gotta be on the album. ;D
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They'll be hitting the studio middle of this year, I believe -- middle of next year would be two years since ADToE, roughly release time!
Dunno about them going into the studio *that* soon Rob. Even if they don't do one more leg after the North American leg, they'll be finishing at almost the same time that they did for BCaSL (not including the final 2 "one-off" dates in Japan). When the band met to discuss their plans at the beginning of September (when MP dropped the bomb of wanting a hiatus), they had planned on going into the studio at the beginning of 2011 even with MP. So my guess is that they'll probably follow a similar pattern once again, unless you can reference something the guys have said that proves otherwise.
Nope, no extra info here - I bow to your superior knowledge!
Come to think of it, the "entire" cycle is happening three months later than is traditional, too. So yeah, middle of this year's just as mad an assertion. Whoops!
Still fairly happy with my between Sept. and Jan. guess, though. Feels right...ish, possibly?
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They'll be hitting the studio middle of this year, I believe -- middle of next year would be two years since ADToE, roughly release time!
Dunno about them going into the studio *that* soon Rob. Even if they don't do one more leg after the North American leg, they'll be finishing at almost the same time that they did for BCaSL (not including the final 2 "one-off" dates in Japan). When the band met to discuss their plans at the beginning of September (when MP dropped the bomb of wanting a hiatus), they had planned on going into the studio at the beginning of 2011 even with MP. So my guess is that they'll probably follow a similar pattern once again, unless you can reference something the guys have said that proves otherwise.
Nope, no extra info here - I bow to your superior knowledge!
Come to think of it, the "entire" cycle is happening three months later than is traditional, too. So yeah, middle of this year's just as mad an assertion. Whoops!
Still fairly happy with my between Sept. and Jan. guess, though. Feels right...ish, possibly?
It seems right for a May 2013 release if they are in the studio between September and January. However, if they get the majority of the writing done on the road, then they would ultimately spend at least half as much time in the studio as normal, which could lead to a February or March 2013 release, if we're lucky.
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Well! I was more thinking somewhere between September and January as the ballpark for the start date, rather than a duration, but May-ish / June-ish would be right if they started in September, yeah!
Keeping in mind they've got to have a break after the tour, plus John Petrucci'll be needed to help make the DVD... I think Feb. or March is a tad pie-in-the-sky, whether they were to write beforehand or not.
Would be lush, though!
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Fantastic news :metal
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THIS JUST IN: Dream Theater's next album to be called "The Count of Tuscany Part 2: Scenes from a Memory". It will tell the story of The Count of Tuscany but from the point of view of the aged wines (and 76 minutes).
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THIS JUST IN: Dream Theater's next album to be called "The Count of Tuscany Part 2: Scenes from a Memory". It will tell the story of The Count of Tuscany but from the point of view of the aged wines (and 76 minutes).
So we're doing this ?
Dream Theater XII : A Time To Reflect
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They should title the new album "All the Finest Wines"
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Metropolis Pt. 3 :neverusethis:
In all seriousness, fuck yeah, it's good to hear they're being inspired. Maybe the song will be about something relating to jet lag. :lol
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Very glad to hear the band is doing some writing on the road, first time since the Scenes tour, as Scotty has informed us. For those of us who have wished for something as refined as the albums of SDOIT and back, we may get that. If they write now, refine the music later in the studio, and then record, we'll get something that's more polished than we have been in the last 5 albums.
I think we can look at another masterpiece like SDOIT, with a new member in the band adding his input, on the road, and then in the studio. Personally, I'd love to have a double album again!
-Marc.
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Dream Theater 12 : A time to reflect
The cover will feature a clock face and will be 12 tracks at exactly 5 mins each.
Probably.
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Dream Theater: TWELVEAVARIUM
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Dream Theater: TWELVEAVARIUM
:rollin
You mean Dodecavarium
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Dodecavarium : This One's a DOUZE - y
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Dodecavarium : This One's a DOUZE - y
Followup: Tridecavarium: Treize Bien
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:biggrin:
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Very interested to see what Mangini has got.
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Dodecavarium : This One's a DOUZE - y
Followup: Tridecavarium: Treize Bien
+1
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Well! I was more thinking somewhere between September and January as the ballpark for the start date, rather than a duration, but May-ish / June-ish would be right if they started in September, yeah!
Keeping in mind they've got to have a break after the tour, plus John Petrucci'll be needed to help make the DVD... I think Feb. or March is a tad pie-in-the-sky, whether they were to write beforehand or not.
Would be lush, though!
Don't forget JP's G3 Tour in October. I wonder if everyone will help in putting the DVD together. It seems like too large of a task of post-MP DT world to put onto one person. I bet we'll get at least Jordan and James into the fold when that is filmed and is starting to be edited and put together as a final product.
Very glad to hear the band is doing some writing on the road, first time since the Scenes tour, as Scotty has informed us. For those of us who have wished for something as refined as the albums of SDOIT and back, we may get that. If they write now, refine the music later in the studio, and then record, we'll get something that's more polished than we have been in the last 5 albums.
I think we can look at another masterpiece like SDOIT, with a new member in the band adding his input, on the road, and then in the studio. Personally, I'd love to have a double album again!
-Marc.
Couldn't agree more. SO EXCITED.
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EDIT: Double post. My apologies.
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THIS JUST IN: Dream Theater's next album to be called "The Count of Tuscany Part 2: Scenes from a Memory". It will tell the story of The Count of Tuscany but from the point of view of the aged wines (and 76 minutes).
:tup I can't wait!
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A double album would be ace about now ...
They could have two discs - Each disc with 6 songs on
Each song ten minutes.
Making 12 tracks and two hours ( 12 x 10 minutes )
Too bad it wouldn't come out in 2012
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THIS JUST IN: Dream Theater's next album to be called "The Count of Tuscany Part 2: Scenes from a Memory". It will tell the story of The Count of Tuscany but from the point of view of the aged wines (and 76 minutes).
:rollin
@OP: Great news! Potentially they could slip some of the new stuff in the new dvd's special features. :corn
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THIS JUST IN: Dream Theater's next album to be called "The Count of Tuscany Part 2: Scenes from a Memory". It will tell the story of The Count of Tuscany but from the point of view of the aged wines (and 76 minutes).
Better yet, the point of view of the bodies inside the wine barrels. A concept album about zombies! :metal
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THIS JUST IN: Dream Theater's next album to be called "The Count of Tuscany Part 2: Scenes from a Memory". It will tell the story of The Count of Tuscany but from the point of view of the aged wines (and 76 minutes).
Better yet, the point of view of the bodies inside the wine barrels. A concept album about zombies! :metal
:tup White, red and pink zombies. :lol
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Call it "A Baker's Dozen", with each egg having a different album cover painted on, with the exception of the 12th one which is cracked. :lol
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Radiohead wrote OK Computer on the road and that album is fucking brilliant. I'm all about writing when the creative bug bites. BRING IT! :hat
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Cool. I actually can't wait for the world to go into "new album" mode. You know with all the speculation, small updates, big updates like artwork and eventually track listing, the fake snippets from LaBrie's solo albums, leaks, people banned for spreading it.
I love the smell of the internet before a new album in the morning.
Still though I think this is a little to soon.
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Cool. I actually can't wait for the world to go into "new album" mode. You know with all the speculation, small updates, big updates like artwork and eventually track listing, the fake snippets from LaBrie's solo albums, leaks, people banned for spreading it.
I love the smell of the internet before a new album in the morning.
Still though I think this is a little to soon.
Don't forget the $200 deluxe edition which includes the Vinyl, eight-track & cassette.
Still, they're only starting to write it, and they're still on tour, so they're not gonna bang this one out in 3 weeks like they did Train of Thought. We definitely won't see it until 2013, which would be consistent with DT's one album every 2 years streak they've had going since Train of Thought.
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Don't forget the $200 deluxe edition which includes the Vinyl, eight-track & cassette.
What? No reel-to-reel or wax cylinders? No deluxe edition for me! :P
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What? No discussion as to whether the new album will continue with the track cycle? This one would have 11 tracks, right?
Well, I'm excited! Maybe DT12 will be a sequel to SDoIT. :hefdaddy
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Twelve More Degrees Of Inner Turbulence.
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I love the smell of new album in the morning :)
Seriously. I can't wait for new updates. Nothing got me more excited for ADTOE than the BAI snippet. That shit was dope.
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It's probably still a year away.
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It's probably still a year away.
Stop introducing reality to this thread. >:(
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It's probably still a year away.
Stop introducing reality to this thread. >:(
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It's probably still a year away.
Stop introducing reality to this thread. >:(
You mean there's never going to any more DT albums??????
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I never understood or believed this whole 'only writing in-studio' thing.
There's no way they don't come into a session for a new album w/o some ideas and riffs ready to go, and I think it's foolish to do it that way anyway. Why close your mind to songwriting except when you're on-the-clock?
This really isn't newsworthy to me as I'm sure the guys write things all the time but only start assembling and elaborating once they arrive together. Sure, a lot of new stuff gets written, but it feels like a lot of people think they don't actually do anything until they arrive.
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I never understood or believed this whole 'only writing in-studio' thing.
There's no way they don't come into a session for a new album w/o some ideas and riffs ready to go, and I think it's foolish to do it that way anyway. Why close your mind to songwriting except when you're on-the-clock?
This really isn't newsworthy to me as I'm sure the guys write things all the time but only start assembling and elaborating once they arrive together. Sure, a lot of new stuff gets written, but it feels like a lot of people think they don't actually do anything until they arrive.
Two words: Mike Portnoy.
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I never understood or believed this whole 'only writing in-studio' thing.
There's no way they don't come into a session for a new album w/o some ideas and riffs ready to go, and I think it's foolish to do it that way anyway. Why close your mind to songwriting except when you're on-the-clock?
This really isn't newsworthy to me as I'm sure the guys write things all the time but only start assembling and elaborating once they arrive together. Sure, a lot of new stuff gets written, but it feels like a lot of people think they don't actually do anything until they arrive.
Two words: Mike Portnoy.
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Each era of the band is so incredibly recognizable. When DS joined the band and FII came out, it was a profound change. When Jordan joined, there was yet another profound sound change and direction. When MM came on board, the band did have a sense of change but it hasn't been fully realized. I think once this new album comes out that is when the new era will truly be ushered in for DT imo. We'll get to hear what this band comes up with as a whole and my bet is it's going to not only be truly different, but it's going to blow us away in the best of ways. I can't wait!
Completely agree with this. Mike Mangini has the skills to pay the bills, and I can't wait to see what his mind comes up on the next album.
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Guys, look at who tweeted that. JP can write music in his sleep. He writes music every time he holds a guitar. He comes up with a riff and calls it writing a song. I remember he wrote the main riff for TITL while he was developing his pedal for TC Electronic. He could have been in the bathroom writing music. I imagine we'll see the new disc sometime around the end of summer next year. They have to come off tour to record. I get the feeling this is how they've always written. Come up with ideas on the road (probably while jamming sound checks)....come off tour....record....release. Nothing's new about this.
All that being said.... I'm still :yarr :hefdaddy :metal :corn
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I really can't wait to hear what the guys will come up with!
But i hope they have better production this time, more dynamic and with a better drum mix-sound
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Guys, look at who tweeted that. JP can write music in his sleep. He writes music every time he holds a guitar. He comes up with a riff and calls it writing a song. I remember he wrote the main riff for TITL while he was developing his pedal for TC Electronic. He could have been in the bathroom writing music. I imagine we'll see the new disc sometime around the end of summer next year. They have to come off tour to record. I get the feeling this is how they've always written. Come up with ideas on the road (probably while jamming sound checks)....come off tour....record....release. Nothing's new about this.
All that being said.... I'm still :yarr :hefdaddy :metal :corn
That's where they got the opening sounds of BTS I'm pretty sure... :neverusethis:
@OP: So looking forward to the "new album" process! I'm excited to hear MM's personal contribution. :metal
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I get the feeling this is how they've always written. Come up with ideas on the road (probably while jamming sound checks)....come off tour....record....release. Nothing's new about this.
i disagree. the band has stated numerous times (MP especially) that they would enter the studio without any pre-planned ideas, save for a few things JP would bring in (IE: wither). they've gone further to say it was impossible for them to jam during soundchecks, especially during the evening with shows, because they had to stay on top of the massive list of songs they were rotating.
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I get the feeling this is how they've always written. Come up with ideas on the road (probably while jamming sound checks)....come off tour....record....release. Nothing's new about this.
i disagree. the band has stated numerous times (MP especially) that they would enter the studio without any pre-planned ideas, save for a few things JP would bring in (IE: wither). they've gone further to say it was impossible for them to jam during soundchecks, especially during the evening with shows, because they had to stay on top of the massive list of songs they were rotating.
JP has said that on this new tour, they've jammed a lot more at sound checks since they didn't need to rehearse new material for a show because of the changing setlists. Since the setlists stay the same the majority of the time, this frees their soundcheck up for them to do whatever they want.
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I get the feeling this is how they've always written. Come up with ideas on the road (probably while jamming sound checks)....come off tour....record....release. Nothing's new about this.
i disagree. the band has stated numerous times (MP especially) that they would enter the studio without any pre-planned ideas, save for a few things JP would bring in (IE: wither). they've gone further to say it was impossible for them to jam during soundchecks, especially during the evening with shows, because they had to stay on top of the massive list of songs they were rotating.
JP has said that on this new tour, they've jammed a lot more at sound checks since they didn't need to rehearse new material for a show because of the changing setlists. Since the setlists stay the same the majority of the time, this frees their soundcheck up for them to do whatever they want.
I think i'll take a near-similar setlist + jamming during sound-checks over rotating setlists any day! :biggrin:
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I think i'll take a near-similar setlist + jamming during sound-checks over rotating setlists any day! :biggrin:
I second that!
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I really can't wait to hear what the guys will come up with!
But i hope they have better production this time, more dynamic and with a better drum mix-sound
Agreed. I like the dynamics of the HDTracks release of ADTOE, but the drums really are too low in the mix... or just the guitars too loud? Anyway, there is some room for improvement ;)
Maybe Steven Wilson should produce it? :D
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I think i'll take a near-similar setlist + jamming during sound-checks over rotating setlists any day! :biggrin:
I second that!
Especially If we get an album like SFAM or 6DOIT out of it.
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I think i'll take a near-similar setlist + jamming during sound-checks over rotating setlists any day! :biggrin:
I second that!
Especially If we get an album like SFAM or 6DOIT out of it.
Hell yeah! If they write on the road and get all the songs ready, all they have to do is jump in the studio, fine-tune them, and record. They'll get it out much sooner then.
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^By tomorrow I hope. I would like that.
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It's true. If they have all or most of their material ready to record before they go into the studio, it will be a much quicker process, more time can be spent fine-tuning the songs if need be, and the record can be released much sooner than expected.
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Can't wait to see what Mangini comes up with, I'd like to see what he could bring to the table.
James Hetfield already has a monopoly on the table; Mangini should probably just stick to drums.
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Can't wait to see what Mangini comes up with, I'd like to see what he could bring to the table.
James Hetfield already has a monopoly on the table; Mangini should probably just stick to drums.
*snicker snicker* :lol
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Doesn't the label sorta plan out how often/when a band's album comes out though?
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Each era of the band is so incredibly recognizable. When DS joined the band and FII came out, it was a profound change. When Jordan joined, there was yet another profound sound change and direction. When MM came on board, the band did have a sense of change but it hasn't been fully realized. I think once this new album comes out that is when the new era will truly be ushered in for DT imo. We'll get to hear what this band comes up with as a whole and my bet is it's going to not only be truly different, but it's going to blow us away in the best of ways. I can't wait!
Completely agree with this. Mike Mangini has the skills to pay the bills, and I can't wait to see what his mind comes up on the next album.
Thirding this! Can't wait to hear how Mangini influences the flavor of the divine musical jambalaya that is Dream Theater :3
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Doesn't the label sorta plan out how often/when a band's album comes out though?
No, not really. Once the album is in the can, there is a general 10-week marketing/production cycle that follows. Sometimes, and album will get pushed out a bit further if the band or label wants it to coincide with a tour or some other event, or if they want to avoid releasing concurrently with another big release that may distract from initial sales. But generally, it is my understanding that the label does not have much control over the release date.
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Each era of the band is so incredibly recognizable. When DS joined the band and FII came out, it was a profound change. When Jordan joined, there was yet another profound sound change and direction. When MM came on board, the band did have a sense of change but it hasn't been fully realized. I think once this new album comes out that is when the new era will truly be ushered in for DT imo. We'll get to hear what this band comes up with as a whole and my bet is it's going to not only be truly different, but it's going to blow us away in the best of ways. I can't wait!
Completely agree with this. Mike Mangini has the skills to pay the bills, and I can't wait to see what his mind comes up on the next album.
Thirding this! Can't wait to hear how Mangini influences the flavor of the divine musical jambalaya that is Dream Theater :3
That is just awesome. I have never hungered for DT quite so eloquently ;)
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This is very exciting. Both because they're already writing for the next album, and because they seem to be switching up the process a bit. They really have seemed creatively refreshed since MM joined.
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Twelve More Degrees Of Inner Turbulence.
So does that mean it'll be a quadruple album?
The epicness of that concept is incomprehensible to my human brain.
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Twelve More Degrees Of Inner Turbulence.
So does that mean it'll be a quadruple album?
The epicness of that concept is incomprehensible to my human brain.
260 minutes of awesome.
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Twelve More Degrees Of Inner Turbulence.
So does that mean it'll be a quadruple album?
The epicness of that concept is incomprehensible to my human brain.
260 minutes of awesome.
Holy shit. That would be unreal.
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Though a 260 minute quadrouple album would almost be overkilling it a little I'd like something speciall out of their next album. Like a concept album or a double album. Every album since Train of Thought has "just" been an "ordinary" album and it would be fun with something different again.
Did I use the word album to many times? Perhaps album.
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I'd like an album just as awesome as ADTOE. If that's not too much to ask. ;D
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Though a 260 minute quadrouple album would almost be overkilling it a little I'd like something speciall out of their next album. Like a concept album or a double album. Every album since Train of Thought has "just" been an "ordinary" album and it would be fun with something different again.
Did I use the word album to many times? Perhaps album.
Yeah, 260 minutes is stretching it, MAYBE a 180-minute album, that's how long their live releases are. But I would be fine with another ~75-minute disc as always, they always do something new on each album anyway.
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People on these boards are always orgasming over possible gimmicks for DT's next album. "DT's next album should be Metropolis Part 3, a septuple album with all lyrics by John Myung and an instrumental 5th disc and featuring a guest appearance by The Count of Tuscany", etc.
I don't want a gimmick. Gimmicks haven't worked well for DT in the past; I don't want DT to go into the studio saying "we're going to write the heaviest/proggiest/longest album ever". This has been their studio approach since TOT and the music has suffered for it.
I just want them to write a lot of music and put it on a disc so everybody will be happy.
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I just want them to write a lot of music and put it on a disc so everybody will be happy.
This is what I wish as well, and I'm VERY sure that whenever they enter the core of the writing process this will be exactly their mindset. :)
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People on these boards are always orgasming over possible gimmicks for DT's next album. "DT's next album should be Metropolis Part 3, a septuple album with all lyrics by John Myung and an instrumental 5th disc and featuring a guest appearance by The Count of Tuscany", etc.
I don't want a gimmick. Gimmicks haven't worked well for DT in the past; I don't want DT to go into the studio saying "we're going to write the heaviest/proggiest/longest album ever". This has been their studio approach since TOT and the music has suffered for it.
I just want them to write a lot of music and put it on a disc so everybody will be happy.
You realize that the new album suddenly not having a gimmick is technically a gimmick, right?
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People on these boards are always orgasming over possible gimmicks for DT's next album. "DT's next album should be Metropolis Part 3, a septuple album with all lyrics by John Myung and an instrumental 5th disc and featuring a guest appearance by The Count of Tuscany", etc.
I don't want a gimmick. Gimmicks haven't worked well for DT in the past; I don't want DT to go into the studio saying "we're going to write the heaviest/proggiest/longest album ever". This has been their studio approach since TOT and the music has suffered for it.
I just want them to write a lot of music and put it on a disc so everybody will be happy.
I believe the term you meant to say was "longiest"
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People on these boards are always orgasming over possible gimmicks for DT's next album. "DT's next album should be Metropolis Part 3, a septuple album with all lyrics by John Myung and an instrumental 5th disc and featuring a guest appearance by The Count of Tuscany", etc.
I don't want a gimmick. Gimmicks haven't worked well for DT in the past; I don't want DT to go into the studio saying "we're going to write the heaviest/proggiest/longest album ever". This has been their studio approach since TOT and the music has suffered for it.
I just want them to write a lot of music and put it on a disc so everybody will be happy.
This. Who needs all kinds of gimmicks and stuff - DT's albums are awesome enough on their own.
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MAYBE a 180-minute album, that's how long their live releases are. But I would be fine with another ~75-minute disc as always, they always do something new on each album anyway.
180 minutes - 1 minute for every DEGREE the direction has changed from their last 4 albums.
They can call it 180 degrees of direction.
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MAYBE a 180-minute album, that's how long their live releases are. But I would be fine with another ~75-minute disc as always, they always do something new on each album anyway.
180 minutes - 1 minute for every DEGREE the direction has changed from their last 4 albums.
They can call it 180 degrees of direction.
If we are discussing 180 degrees, are you suggesting they write an album revolving solely around SC's Repentance...? :neverusethis:
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Id be happy with a 30 minute album if the music kicked ass.
edit: however, BITS and BAI feel like 2 minute songs because they flow so perfectly.
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MAYBE a 180-minute album, that's how long their live releases are. But I would be fine with another ~75-minute disc as always, they always do something new on each album anyway.
180 minutes - 1 minute for every DEGREE the direction has changed from their last 4 albums.
They can call it 180 degrees of direction.
"Half Circle" then?
Id be happy with a 30 minute album if the music kicked ass.
edit: however, BITS and BAI feel like 2 minute songs because they flow so perfectly.
I think if they wrote an awesome 40-60 minute album, it'd be ballsy and different enough. Have an album with one epic (side-long of course), then do 3-4 more songs totaling 18-25 minutes.
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I wish they'd throw the "we need to make sure we do x" mentality away. I appreciate the heavy songs on ADToE, and I feel they were done masterfully. I just want them to make the music that comes to them. Dream Theater owes me, as a fan, no favors. I want to hear what inspires you, not what you think you are obligated to do for me.
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I wish they'd throw the "we need to make sure we do x" mentality away. I appreciate the heavy songs on ADToE, and I feel they were done masterfully. I just want them to make the music that comes to them. Dream Theater owes me, as a fan, no favors. I want to hear what inspires you, not what you think you are obligated to do for me.
I think ADTOE was the most inspired album since SDOIT for them. The music had no parameters - TOT was their heavy metal album, 8VM had it's musical concepts, SC was all over the place and full of weird and fiction-based lyrics, BC&SL was pretty dark musically and lyrically... ADTOE felt like a return-to-roots collection of inspired pieces from everyone in the band, both musically and lyrically.
I think, now without the desire to have an album's direction planned out, they're writing what flows out of them naturally, especially now that they are writing on the road again, and possibly seriously considering using these riffs or bits in the next album. And even though ADTOE was written in the studio, the environment was different, so the outcome changed.
-Marc.
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I wish they'd throw the "we need to make sure we do x" mentality away. I appreciate the heavy songs on ADToE, and I feel they were done masterfully. I just want them to make the music that comes to them. Dream Theater owes me, as a fan, no favors. I want to hear what inspires you, not what you think you are obligated to do for me.
I think ADTOE was the most inspired album since SDOIT for them. The music had no parameters - TOT was their heavy metal album, 8VM had it's musical concepts, SC was all over the place and full of weird and fiction-based lyrics, BC&SL was pretty dark musically and lyrically... ADTOE felt like a return-to-roots collection of inspired pieces from everyone in the band, both musically and lyrically.
I think, now without the desire to have an album's direction planned out, they're writing what flows out of them naturally, especially now that they are writing on the road again, and possibly seriously considering using these riffs or bits in the next album. And even though ADTOE was written in the studio, the environment was different, so the outcome changed.
-Marc.
In fairness, I seem to remember Mike Portnoy very specifically went into Systematic Chaos without any particular direction in mind. It just happened to come out ballsy. They happened to be in a ballsy place.
He had some sort of plan in mind - a sort of design - but he changed his mind when they went into the studio. Left it at the door! After the very strict format of Octavarium, he chose to abandon all the parameters, go in, and simply let the music happen. I believe the same thing happened with BCSL. The songs just came out long.
I could be wrong, I don't have any sources on me so this could all be a misrecollection, but it's an oddly specific misrecollection if it is. Then again, wouldn't put it past me! If I'm right, though, they haven't really restricted themselves since 2004/2005.
Do agree that ADToE sounds free-est, though. Then again, they were under completely different kinds of pressure, there - they had to make a classic, they made a very specific decision to have a mixture of everything. I seem to remember BMUBMD (or was it Lost Not Forgotten?) was written precisely because there were too many softer songs, and they wanted to have a bit of everything. So you could argue that was more directed than either of the last two Mike Portnoy albums.
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LNF was written because of too many soft songs. And don't get me wrong, I really enjoy that song. But, if you write a soft album I'll be okay with it. I connect on a level with the guys musically. Falling Into Infinity, to me, is a better album that SDOIT. I can dig it (soft album).
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I don't want a gimmick. Gimmicks haven't worked well for DT in the past; I don't want DT to go into the studio saying "we're going to write the heaviest/proggiest/longest album ever". This has been their studio approach since TOT and the music has suffered for it.
I just want them to write a lot of music and put it on a disc so everybody will be happy.
I think that Scenes from a Memory was their proggiest album so far and it came out just fine, one of their best albums. Six Degrees of inner Turbulence was definitely their longest album and I think that it's also among their best.
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Yup. I said I wanted them to shed the post-SDOIT "let's make sure we do this" mentality. If they start writing music and the longest proggiest album ever written comes out, I'm fine with that, but it's not fine if it's premeditated.
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I wish they'd throw the "we need to make sure we do x" mentality away. I appreciate the heavy songs on ADToE, and I feel they were done masterfully. I just want them to make the music that comes to them. Dream Theater owes me, as a fan, no favors. I want to hear what inspires you, not what you think you are obligated to do for me.
They are a progressive metal band, so the heavier songs are going to come out. It's just a matter of how many will make the CD.
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I wish they'd throw the "we need to make sure we do x" mentality away. I appreciate the heavy songs on ADToE, and I feel they were done masterfully. I just want them to make the music that comes to them. Dream Theater owes me, as a fan, no favors. I want to hear what inspires you, not what you think you are obligated to do for me.
I think ADTOE was the most inspired album since SDOIT for them. The music had no parameters - TOT was their heavy metal album, 8VM had it's musical concepts, SC was all over the place and full of weird and fiction-based lyrics, BC&SL was pretty dark musically and lyrically... ADTOE felt like a return-to-roots collection of inspired pieces from everyone in the band, both musically and lyrically.
I think, now without the desire to have an album's direction planned out, they're writing what flows out of them naturally, especially now that they are writing on the road again, and possibly seriously considering using these riffs or bits in the next album. And even though ADTOE was written in the studio, the environment was different, so the outcome changed.
-Marc.
In fairness, I seem to remember Mike Portnoy very specifically went into Systematic Chaos without any particular direction in mind. It just happened to come out ballsy. They happened to be in a ballsy place.
He had some sort of plan in mind - a sort of design - but he changed his mind when they went into the studio. Left it at the door! After the very strict format of Octavarium, he chose to abandon all the parameters, go in, and simply let the music happen. I believe the same thing happened with BCSL. The songs just came out long.
I could be wrong, I don't have any sources on me so this could all be a misrecollection, but it's an oddly specific misrecollection if it is. Then again, wouldn't put it past me! If I'm right, though, they haven't really restricted themselves since 2004/2005.
Do agree that ADToE sounds free-est, though. Then again, they were under completely different kinds of pressure, there - they had to make a classic, they made a very specific decision to have a mixture of everything. I seem to remember BMUBMD (or was it Lost Not Forgotten?) was written precisely because there were too many softer songs, and they wanted to have a bit of everything. So you could argue that was more directed than either of the last two Mike Portnoy albums.
Another joyful read, rob. :lol
I'd say all of their albums have a "thing" if you want to look for it, so this isn't something you can really use to lump together their recent albums. I actually hope the next album is more "thingy". I think they're overdue for it.
I don't necessarily consider it a contrivance to have a clear goal in mind, I just consider it a set of parameters to focus the songwriting in one direction, and that's fine by me as long as it's not too restrictive.
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I'd say all of their albums have a "thing" if you want to look for it, so this isn't something you can really use to lump together their recent albums. I actually hope the next album is more "thingy". I think they're overdue for it.
I don't necessarily consider it a contrivance to have a clear goal in mind, I just consider it a set of parameters to focus the songwriting in one direction, and that's fine by me as long as it's not too restrictive.
This is what I love about prog bands: they (sometimes) manage to craft albums that feel like "albums", and not like "collections of random songs". I prefer albums that are coherent and where each songs fulfills a particular function to produce a whole picture.
IMO, the next SDOIT is overdue :metal
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I wish they'd throw the "we need to make sure we do x" mentality away. I appreciate the heavy songs on ADToE, and I feel they were done masterfully. I just want them to make the music that comes to them. Dream Theater owes me, as a fan, no favors. I want to hear what inspires you, not what you think you are obligated to do for me.
They are a progressive metal band, so the heavier songs are going to come out. It's just a matter of how many will make the CD.
I didn't say no heavy songs. I just said, don't feel obligated to make one. Write what inspires you, not what you think you owe the fans.
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I wish they'd throw the "we need to make sure we do x" mentality away. I appreciate the heavy songs on ADToE, and I feel they were done masterfully. I just want them to make the music that comes to them. Dream Theater owes me, as a fan, no favors. I want to hear what inspires you, not what you think you are obligated to do for me.
They are a progressive metal band, so the heavier songs are going to come out. It's just a matter of how many will make the CD.
I didn't say no heavy songs. I just said, don't feel obligated to make one. Write what inspires you, not what you think you owe the fans.
You can't lump writing into those two categories (what inspires you/for the fans). They don't put parameters or goals in mind for the fans necessarily -- they can do it for the album as a whole.
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All this talk is getting me hot for the new album
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All this talk is getting me hot for the new album
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Agreed! this just might be the most anticipated Dream Theater album for me since Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :tup
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Agreed! this just might be the most anticipated Dream Theater album for me since Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :tup
Pretty much all Dream Theater albums are.
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Agreed! this just might be the most anticipated Dream Theater album for me since Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :tup
Pretty much all Dream Theater albums are.
Even SFAM was the most anticipated DT album since SDOIT. ;)
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Agreed! this just might be the most anticipated Dream Theater album for me since Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :tup
Pretty much all Dream Theater albums are.
Even SFAM was the most anticipated DT album since SDOIT. ;)
wat.
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Agreed! this just might be the most anticipated Dream Theater album for me since Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :tup
Pretty much all Dream Theater albums are.
Even SFAM was the most anticipated DT album since SDOIT. ;)
wat.
He said all DT albums are :P
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Agreed! this just might be the most anticipated Dream Theater album for me since Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :tup
Pretty much all Dream Theater albums are.
Even SFAM was the most anticipated DT album since SDOIT. ;)
wat.
He said all DT albums are :P
Oh. Right. :lol
I didn't even notice that.
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Agreed! this just might be the most anticipated Dream Theater album for me since Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :tup
Pretty much all Dream Theater albums are.
Even SFAM was the most anticipated DT album since SDOIT. ;)
Please, SFAM was the most anticipated Dream Theater album since, like Octavarium.
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Please, SFAM was the most anticipated Dream Theater album since, like Octavarium.
Wait...wut? ???
(That was chronologically confusing...)
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You found the joke. :lol
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Agreed! this just might be the most anticipated Dream Theater album for me since Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :tup
Pretty much all Dream Theater albums are.
Even SFAM was the most anticipated DT album since SDOIT. ;)
Please, SFAM was the most anticipated Dream Theater album since, like Octavarium.
Yeah, well the majesty demos were the most anticipated since Twelveavarium.
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Majesty Demos was the most anticipated since Omerta.
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ADTOE was the most anticipated album since ADTOE.
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ADTOE was the most anticipated album since ADTOE.
I'm pretty sure the ontopic posts are being anticipated.
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seems a bit sudden, and soon.
is the most anticipated on topic post since
ADTOE was the most anticipated album since ADTOE.
I'm pretty sure the ontopic posts are being anticipated.
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Timing seems pretty sensible, if they're heading into the studio this autumn, then it would make sense that JP is coming up with ideas already. Exciting stuff already, seems to have come around very quickly! :tup