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Title: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Zantera on December 09, 2011, 06:40:04 AM
For starters, I was actually surprised that this movie didn't have it's own thread here, surely there must be someone else as excited as me? :P

Anyhow, Prometheus is the new upcoming SciFi-movie by Ridley Scott, and it will be set in the same universe as the Alien-movies.
Loads have been speculated about if it is a prequel, a sidemovie or what kind of connections it will have, there aren't much revealed, but the latest news are that the last ~5-10 minutes of the movie will have connections to Alien.
Personally the main thing that got me interested in the movie was the Alien-connection since I love those movies, but even if it turns out to be 95% a standalone movie, I'm still very excited because I think Ridley Scott is great, and can capture the sort of dark, creeping horror.

The majority of the cast is pretty much done as well, we'll see the new Swedish "star" (by that I mean someone who has been unknown outside of Sweden until fairly recently :P) Noomi Rapace, we'll also see Michael Fassbender (who I really like), Charlize Theron, Guy Peace (a personal favorite), Idris Elba and Logan Marshall-Green to name a few.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/

https://www.prometheus-movie.com/ is a great site if you want frequent updates about the movie, not all of the stuff they talk about is official, but some speculation and other interesting things.
The trailer isn't too far into the future, and there's a lot of talk about the trailer being available in the next 2-3 weeks or so, the movie itself is set for a release in June, 2012.

Some pictures has already been revealed, you can see find them here and there, but here's one link: https://www.movie-moron.com/?p=20397
To round this post up, I'll put in a picture to sum up.
(https://www.movie-moron.com/wp-content/gallery/news/prometheus-pics-1.jpg)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 09, 2011, 06:45:11 AM
Yes, I am excited for this one.  Apparently the scope is far beyond the "terror in space" of the Alien films.
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Post by: GuineaPig on December 09, 2011, 06:59:59 AM
Ridley Scott hasn't done much to impress me in a long while.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 09, 2011, 07:22:57 AM
Very Excited for this! Thanks for the link to the update site...I'll be checking that out frequently. I have been curious about this movie ever since it was announced and how he was going to tie it into Alien....looking forward to seeing it.

Side note:
      I loved Alien but Aliens is just a tad bit higher on my list as far as 'favorite', I think it's due to I liked the characters in Aliens a bit more. to me they were written perfectly. Anyway, I honestly have seen Aliens over 300 times, I used to watch it over and over back when I first got the VCR tape. Last summer I went on a local radio show for a trivia challenge and that was my category of expertise...the movie Aliens. Callers would call in and try to stump me with some off the wall small details about the movie and I didn't fail to answer a question. My little moment in the sun I suppose.  ;D

Thanks again Zantera for the link..appreciate it. :tup
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Post by: obscure on December 09, 2011, 08:08:01 AM
YAY... Thanks Zantera  :tup
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on December 09, 2011, 10:51:30 AM
Also, while there isn't much known about possible connections to Alien yet, here are some of my thoughts: (putting it in small text cause even though it's speculating, maybe I end up spoiling something) :P

It has been discussed that maybe in the end of the movie, one of the "space jockey's" crash a ship on LV-426 (the planet where they first discover the eggs in Alien), sorta relating to the story of how they got there.
While I'm not 100% sure about it, it is possible that we get to learn a bit about the Alien-creature, and someone survives in Prometheus, which leads somehow to the Weyland-Yutani corporation finding out about it, and where the ship crashed for example.

Another thing could be that we get to see the creation of the Alien-creature, or that the humans in Prometheus manages to "release" them somehow, which could be a cool idea, that the horror of the aliens is something mankind has brought on themselves.


One thing that I do like, is that Ridley Scott most likely will ignore everything about Alien VS Predator, while those movies were entertaining, they were really bad, and I didn't care for the backbone story they had.
I want something cooler then "the predators brought the aliens to the earth so they could battle", and if any of my theories are right, it will be. :)
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MykeHavoc on December 09, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
Ridley really only seems to acknowledge Alien and Aliens. There's quite a number of inconsistencies with the series and spinoffs as is, so I'm not really too concerned about continuity. I just want a good film. And judging by what I've seen so far, I'm willing to bet we get it.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 10, 2011, 05:04:36 AM
Ridley really only seems to acknowledge Alien and Aliens.
He's not the only one.
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Post by: Zantera on December 10, 2011, 05:59:06 AM
It's hard to say.
While I didn't like ALL of it, Alien 3 did have some interesting connections to the first two.
The fourth movie (while being entertaining) wasn't that good, and it's mostly a movie I watch for the fun of it.

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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 10, 2011, 07:52:05 AM
Ridley really only seems to acknowledge Alien and Aliens.
He's not the only one.
Add me to that list. Was very let down by Alien 3, and all the others....well.... :tdwn
I'm sure I'm not unique IMO about the Alien vs Predator movies. They had a bit of entertainment value but other than that if there was/is any type of cannon to be a part of they are definately not in it.
Just very curious as to what / where this movie takes us....just that one still photo on the link gets me all excited. It has a very Egyptian feel to it with that huge monolithic face in the background.....very Sphinxish. And I looked it up....sphinxish is a word.  :P
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Post by: MykeHavoc on December 10, 2011, 09:41:32 AM
btw, I can't put myself in the same boat. I personally love all the movies (AVP: Requiem makes me wanna kill myself though). But I'm probably the world's biggest Alien 3 fan. At times, its my favorite of the series. I also quite like Resurrection and the first AVP from an entertainment standpoint. And while we're on the subject, I'm a big fan of the 3 Predator films, too. So needless to say, Prometheus is one of those films a fanboy like me has been waiting for their whole life.
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Post by: Pyroph on December 10, 2011, 09:49:31 AM
Guy Pearce is in it. film of the year.

Also Noomi Rapace + Fassbender is great.
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Post by: MetalJunkie on December 10, 2011, 12:59:10 PM
I guess it's time for me to get around to seeing the Alien movies.
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Post by: Jamesman42 on December 10, 2011, 01:02:02 PM
Do you need to see the Alien movies to get this new one?
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Post by: Zook on December 10, 2011, 01:16:52 PM
I guess it's time for me to get around to seeing the Alien movies.

Prepare to be in some real pretty shit.

Aliens is in my top 5 favorite movies ever.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Sigz on December 10, 2011, 01:30:43 PM
Do you need to see the Alien movies to get this new one?

It doesn't sound like it.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 10, 2011, 01:46:57 PM
Aliens is in my top 5 favorite movies ever.

Same here. Hudson is one of my all time favorite characters in any movie. Just a smart ass dude who when needed can kick some butt! You may appreciate as well that my 11 year old Black Lab/Shepherd mix's name is 'Drake' :biggrin:

Thanks to that caferteria knife scene that was clearly sped up and faked....I have put a marking all, multiple knives, screwdrivers...anything with a point through my fingers....mostly back in high school parties.  The worst being a steak knife right between the fleshy part between the knuckles of my ring and middle finger on my left hand. Freaked the people out who were watching. I could usually get a good 10 seconds in before I nailed myself.

Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: The King in Crimson on December 10, 2011, 02:12:47 PM
I guess it's time for me to get around to seeing the Alien movies.
Aliens is a phenomenal movie. I watch it every few months.

Alien is still one of the greatest horror movies ever made. The tension in the last half of the movie is... god.

I'm very interested in seeing this movie. Ridley Scott's made a few duds, but he also made Alien, Blade Runner, Legend, and Black Hawk Down so I'm going to give this a chance.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 11, 2011, 04:50:10 AM
I guess it's time for me to get around to seeing the Alien movies.
Just the first two.  Or really, just the first one. 

I mean, the second is a great film in its own right, but it's a different kind of film from the first, which is really sci-fi/horror.  The second is an action film (albeit a very good one).
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 11, 2011, 08:54:45 AM
I guess it's time for me to get around to seeing the Alien movies.
Just the first two.  Or really, just the first one. 

I mean, the second is a great film in its own right, but it's a different kind of film from the first, which is really sci-fi/horror.  The second is an action film (albeit a very good one).

I'd add 'suspense' to describe the first one as well. The entire scene when Dallas is in the vent system is one of the most suspensful scenes I've ever seen. Very well done. You could cut the tension with a knife.
 I think it's neat how the first two vary so much in the way they are presented....yet still pull off a great story tell. And, it's not that I 'hated' the third one. It was an alright movie for me...I liked it due to the fact that I like the franchise. I suppose I was hoping for a different angle for the third one. Maybe an Alien made it back to Earth or a StarBase or something.
 
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Orbert on December 12, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
I'm looking forward to this as well.  I'm a fan of all of the Alien movies, so this is exciting stuff.


Trivia:  "Fassbender" is an anagram for "Fender bass".   :P
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zook on December 13, 2011, 02:54:56 AM
I thought he looked a bit guitar shaped.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Nekov on December 13, 2011, 04:12:34 AM
So anxious to see this!!! Ridley should have never stopped doing Sci Fi. It's clearly his best.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on December 19, 2011, 11:25:50 AM
New interview with Ridley Scott, some news about the movie:

https://filmophilia.com/2011/12/17/interview-ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-giger-beginning-of-man-and-original-alien/
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 19, 2011, 12:21:33 PM
Thanks for the link Zantera! Cool interview. Scott seems like a trip...he'd be fun to talk with over diner "off the record" I'd bet. I like that he's drawing a bit of inspiration from the 'Chariots of the Gods' and similar theories. That kind of 'lost' ancient knowledge and the whole 'Ancient Aliens' theme from the History channel has always been fascinating to me. Now, some of those dudes on the 'Ancien't Aliens' show on the History channel take some MAJOR liberties in connecting the dots....I mean major....but it is still neat to think about and the fact that Scott's even hinted at either using or being inspired by some of those theories and what not makes this film even MORE interesting.
  I like the idea also...it's really starting to sink in and I like it. Taking a "character" like the space jockey who by all accounts could have and should have been a huge question of who/what he was in the first one...but never really made it out of one scene. Taking him and constructing an entire film/story around him therefor keeping the movie tied to the Alien lineage but almost seperate as well being there will not be an appearance from what we consider the 'Alien'. Really neat.
  Can't wait for the trailer.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: GuineaPig on December 19, 2011, 01:38:09 PM
I am enthused by the presence of Idris Elba.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 21, 2011, 10:51:13 AM
Dang!! I got all excited cuz I went back to the site Zantera had turned me(us) onto and there was a 1:07 official clip ready to be viewed. Clicked it and it said it had been removed due to Fox blocking it for copy write infringment. At least that tells me the trailer can't be that far off.....
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Post by: Accelerando on December 21, 2011, 10:58:24 AM
Probably my most anticipated movie os 2012, next to The Dark Knight Rises.
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Post by: Zantera on December 21, 2011, 10:59:02 AM
Dang!! I got all excited cuz I went back to the site Zantera had turned me(us) onto and there was a 1:07 official clip ready to be viewed. Clicked it and it said it had been removed due to Fox blocking it for copy write infringment. At least that tells me the trailer can't be that far off.....

There will be a trailer out tomorrow most likely, since a few days ago they put up a "trailer for a trailer", which is kinda lol.
But yeah, hopefully tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: TioJorge on December 22, 2011, 11:12:00 AM
TRAILERRRRRRRRR!
https://screenrant.com/prometheus-trailer-sandy-144772/

Granted, I'm not watching the whole thing until it is released in HD, but already I've got goosebumps. I'm so excited for this movie. There hasn't been a desolate, epic Sci/Fi film in ages that's pleased me; or a film of that genre released at all, actually (if anyone mentions Apollo 18, I'll cut your internet balls off...wait...fuck...I'm going to cut my own balls off now).

Either way, looks awesome. By the bye, that's a really great site for movies if anyone hasn't been to it before. Hopefully the HD version will be out soon. It says Apple has released it but they haven't quite yet. Friggin' Granny Apple.
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Post by: Orbert on December 22, 2011, 11:27:19 AM
Interesting.  Ridley Scott keeps saying that this film has no connection whatsoever to the Alien films.  Why then does the word Prometheus slowly appear out of a series of seemingly random lines, exactly as with Alien?  He's clearly creating an association there, but at the same time saying they're not connected.

Quote
EGE: So you are linking this directly with the Alien films?

RS: Not at all.

EGE: Not at all?

RS: No.
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Post by: TioJorge on December 22, 2011, 11:53:22 AM
Yeah, I'd throw that comment out the window. How old is that interview? Because recently I believe he's said it will have some kind of connection, if ever so slightly. I'm thinking in spirit, a more ethereal feel rather than a direct "this is a prequel to Alien". But yes, things like that title appearing are what I expected; a connection in feeling. Actually, I'm not positive if he's said it'll have some sort of connection, but he just did with that title. Not only that but I suppose you'd have to be pretty dense to think it won't have ANY connection at all. It may very well be that in storyline it doesn't have any connection, but it sure as hell precedes the lore of Alien. He may want to blur the lines of connection to establish a larger frame of storytelling if he so chooses to continue with this storyline in the future.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 22, 2011, 12:33:22 PM
Looks killer! :metal I don't see how this movie doesn't rule! Be it brief, the trailer has me very amped up now. It's visually stunning...
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Post by: Accelerando on December 22, 2011, 12:38:52 PM
I've been dissecting the trailer. It looks like it'll deal with the Space Jockeys a lot. You can see the head/helmet be analyzed in 00:34, AND in 00:44, the Chair from the first Alien movie is activated. But if you look closely, there is some massive figure standing next to it  :metal
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Post by: Nekov on December 22, 2011, 12:45:13 PM
I'm excited about this movie. Seems Ridley Scott is going back on track  :D
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Post by: gmillerdrake on December 22, 2011, 12:51:37 PM
I've been dissecting the trailer. It looks like it'll deal with the Space Jockeys a lot. You can see the head/helmet be analyzed in 00:34, AND in 00:44, the Chair from the first Alien movie is activated. But if you look closely, there is some massive figure standing next to it  :metal
I've only watched it once, being that I'm at work the screen was pretty condensed as well, but it looked like at one point they were standing in a room filled with large Urn looking deals, that give the impression of the fields of Alien impregnator pods...but were clearly stone or metal...not biological.
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Post by: Sigz on December 22, 2011, 01:11:04 PM
me gusta.
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Post by: TioJorge on December 22, 2011, 01:37:40 PM
Finally saw the end. Bonerz. Space jockey indeed... I cannot wait; this is going to be epic. I hate using that word nowadays since every swingin' dick feels the need to call every single little thing that excites them 'epic'. But this is the definition of the word, in both scale of grandeur and story.
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Post by: Accelerando on December 22, 2011, 03:33:41 PM
Well said. When I think of epics, I think of Lawrence of Arabia, The Lord of the Rings, Spartacus, and Ghandi. They are more ambitious in scope. Prometheus looks like an epic. And a scary one. Im pumped.
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Post by: TioJorge on December 22, 2011, 04:14:13 PM
 :tup

I do hope that if this movie turns out to be as great as it looks, Mr. Scott will continue along this path. It's just where he belongs.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on December 22, 2011, 08:48:20 PM
After seeing the trailer, I am now very interested.  :tup
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Post by: Volk9 on December 22, 2011, 08:59:08 PM
I'm honestly more excited for this than TDKR and Avengers
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Post by: TioJorge on December 22, 2011, 09:12:21 PM
I'm honestly more excited for this than TDKR and Avengers

I am too at this point.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on December 22, 2011, 09:29:58 PM
I'm honestly more excited for this than TDKR and Avengers

Agreed.
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Post by: Jaq on December 22, 2011, 10:30:17 PM
Just saw this trailer. My inner fanboy squealed with delight when I saw the title fill in one line at a time like the title on Alien did.

This looks awesome. Yeah I'm going to this.
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Post by: Zantera on December 28, 2011, 11:46:44 AM
The trailer was epic.
Can't wait for this movie. :D
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Post by: 7StringedBeast on December 28, 2011, 11:48:37 AM
If Bob isn't going to be in this movie then I don't really care about it.  Why would they get rid of Bob?




:footloose:
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Accelerando on December 28, 2011, 09:51:54 PM
This is pretty cool

https://youtu.be/vQ6SUTI1j9M
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Post by: MykeHavoc on December 29, 2011, 12:31:53 AM
This is pretty cool

https://youtu.be/vQ6SUTI1j9M

That doesn't make much sense to me since the Prometheus trailer is a take on the original Alien trailer :P
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Sigz on March 17, 2012, 10:34:36 AM
New trailer! https://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/prometheus-trailer-ridley-scott-march-nmill.php (better version here (https://mobile3.influxis.com/pm/viewer/viewer.aspx?stype=pre&sd_width=640&sd_height=360&sd_lo=256&sd_hi=768&hd_width=1280&hd_height=720&hd_lo=768&hd_hi=1536&fid=8G4MZaNoIs8j7HaZIJD%2FcgpZKcG5Z9CzM62oAF1ruBdBDGSfOPu71MFJtYcnpsF3aoTP5iaWQxdju6xjPFTREdSLuZfsYH1hP052pFiIecQ%3D), no story)

My body is ready.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on March 17, 2012, 11:11:07 AM
Looks awesome. Can't wait for this movie!
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 17, 2012, 11:15:42 AM
Looks Incredible! I'm tempted to begin speculating about some of the snippets...i.e the 'transformations' that appear to be taking place but there really isn't enough there to build a good speculation on. Just enough to reinforce that this movie looks awesome.

Thanks for the bump and update Sigz!
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Post by: The King in Crimson on March 17, 2012, 11:35:30 AM
Fucking cool looking.
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Post by: Zantera on March 18, 2012, 07:19:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHcHYisZFLU&feature=youtu.be :caffeine:
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Post by: Zook on March 18, 2012, 09:52:32 AM
I really hope we see a glimpse of a xenomorph, a facehugger's legs or just a scene where they stumble upon the hundreds of eggs. I mean, come on, it's the same ship.
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Post by: Sigz on March 18, 2012, 10:24:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHcHYisZFLU&feature=youtu.be :caffeine:

holy fuck.
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Post by: TioJorge on March 18, 2012, 11:20:54 AM
Oh my alien lord, I didn't just get goose bumps...I turned into a goose. I am now a big fat lump of goose. That was the best thing I've seen in a long time. Much better than the previous trailer. WOW I WANT THIS NOW! It looks so sexily terrifying.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 18, 2012, 11:28:54 AM
Mmmm I have a facehugger in my pants right now...
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Orbert on March 18, 2012, 05:56:01 PM
I really hope we see a glimpse of a xenomorph, a facehugger's legs or just a scene where they stumble upon the hundreds of eggs. I mean, come on, it's the same ship.

It's interesting the way this has been promoted.  Well, what info has been leaked anyway.  Ridley seems to be stopping short of calling this a prequel, but has allowed that it takes place in the same universe.  We do see the "space jockey" in his helm chair, so yeah, this is definitely the same ship.  But supposedly there's a least one or two surprises left, so we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Adami on March 18, 2012, 05:57:26 PM
I really hope we see a glimpse of a xenomorph, a facehugger's legs or just a scene where they stumble upon the hundreds of eggs. I mean, come on, it's the same ship.

Ridley seems set on the fact that the xenomorph will not appear in any possible way in the film.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 18, 2012, 06:10:13 PM
My guess?

The explorers in Prometheus directly lead to/cause the creation of the xenomorphs we know and love from the Aliens films.  How?  Why?  Where?  Dunno, it's a gut thing. :)
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Nekov on March 18, 2012, 06:33:49 PM
I need to watch this move so bad!
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 18, 2012, 06:43:01 PM

Ridley seems set on the fact that the xenomorph will not appear in any possible way in the film.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: jcmistat on March 18, 2012, 11:20:36 PM
Didn't see Alien and Aliens until a couple weeks ago. Should be a great and highly anticipated release.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Dream Team on March 20, 2012, 07:56:20 AM
Prometheus trailer looks awesome. While I am admittedly disappointed that there won't be any "actual" Aliens in it, it does seem like it will be a good stand-alone sci-fi epic with the appeal of being an unofficial prequel.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 20, 2012, 08:13:01 AM
Prometheus trailer looks awesome. While I am admittedly disappointed that there won't be any "actual" Aliens in it, it does seem like it will be a good stand-alone sci-fi epic with the appeal of being an unofficial prequel.
Not only that, but I read in an article ( I believe Yahoo took me there somehow) that Scott stated this movie kind of lends itself to the possibility of a sequal.....he said things are left in a way that it wouldn't be stretching it to do so. Hmmmmmmm?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Sigz on April 29, 2012, 05:22:42 PM
Launch trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1byZkbNB3Jw

HHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2012, 06:41:44 PM
Just when I thought I couldn't get MORE excited about this movie! thanks Sigz :tup
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 30, 2012, 05:33:24 AM
Yeah, this is a must see fo sho.  They moved the release date up though?  I coulda swore it was gonna be June 8?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MykeHavoc on April 30, 2012, 09:23:27 AM
It is June 8th for the US.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 30, 2012, 08:41:18 PM
Launch trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1byZkbNB3Jw

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I dub thee "Pants-Burster."
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on May 01, 2012, 02:45:31 AM
This movie will be SO good.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on May 20, 2012, 09:19:34 AM
Less then two weeks left. I already have tickets to see the movie on June 2nd, so not the next Saturday, but the one after that. The last row in the middle, so awesome tickets. :caffeine:
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 20, 2012, 09:40:34 AM
I´m extremely pumped for this movie!! (https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-excited001.gif) (https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Kotowboy on May 20, 2012, 09:40:57 AM
Just under two weeks til Prometheus in IMAX 3D   :)

ALSO THIS

I´m extremely pumped for this movie!! (https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-excited001.gif) (https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 20, 2012, 11:30:05 AM
Ooohhh... I'm definitely going to watch this one. I love Guy Peace and Idris Elba, and of course Ridley Scott. Along with the final movie in the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy, this should be a good summer for movies.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2012, 12:09:45 PM
Just under two weeks til Prometheus in IMAX 3D   :)

ALSO THIS

I´m extremely pumped for this movie!! (https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-excited001.gif) (https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
I'm a bit bummed because it opens on the Friday I'll be starting the trek taking the family from St. Louis to Florida for vacation. I would just go out and watch it one night down on vacation but my brother and I like to go see these types of movies together so it looks like I'll be a week behind :'(
  My brother threw a theory of his out there to me based on the trailers.....he's saying that Charleze Theron's character will wind up being an android. It would 'make sense' to include an android either overtly or in a clandestine manner given that androids one way or the other have played a pretty major role in all the 'Alien' movies.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on May 20, 2012, 12:21:50 PM
Actually... putting this in a spoiler: Fassbender's character is the android.

How do I know this? They released a "teaser"-video a while ago, this will not be in the movie itself, but to get people excited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaJD8cGfZCQ
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 20, 2012, 12:40:07 PM
Actually... putting this in a spoiler: Fassbender's character is the android.

How do I know this? They released a "teaser"-video a while ago, this will not be in the movie itself, but to get people excited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaJD8cGfZCQ

Oh cool! thanks for that. Pretty neat, I watched the one on Weyland also. this movie should be awesome!
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: soundgarden on May 20, 2012, 08:17:36 PM
I have a total man-crush on Fassbender


what!?


what!?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Kotowboy on May 21, 2012, 04:45:54 PM
Actually... putting this in a spoiler: Fassbender's character is the android.

How do I know this? They released a "teaser"-video a while ago, this will not be in the movie itself, but to get people excited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaJD8cGfZCQ

I thought that was common knowledge tbh...

Just under two weeks to go in IMAX 3D I AM EXCITE
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: TioJorge on May 21, 2012, 04:56:12 PM
Pretty sure that's common knowledge as well; at least to anyone who has remotely looked into the film. Perhaps in the synopsis even. But I could be wrong so I'll err on the side of caution.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 02, 2012, 03:44:24 PM
Okay so I just came home from seeing Prometheus. I won't spoil anything, but it was REALLY good.

The big question, are there traces of alien in it? Nah I won't spoil it for anyone, hope you will enjoy it! :D
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MykeHavoc on June 02, 2012, 06:14:31 PM
Got my movie money coupon. Will be seeing it Friday. Psyched!
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2012, 08:44:20 AM
I just saw it in IMAX 3D last night.

No Spoilers but it *IS* Visually stunning and an exciting thrill ride.

Doesn't answer all the questions but extremely enjoyable nonetheless.






*SLIGHT SPOLIER*

The scene where Prometheus crashes into the Engineer's ship is breathtaking. I want the Blu Ray now just for that scene :D

END
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2012, 08:47:45 AM
Okay so I just came home from seeing Prometheus. I won't spoil anything, but it was REALLY good.

The big question, are there traces of alien in it? Nah I won't spoil it for anyone, hope you will enjoy it! :D


*SPOILER ALERT*

Didn't you think it left too much un-answered or do you think they're saving it all for the next one ?

What did you think about the first "xenomorph" appearing at the end whilst there were murals of what looked like a queen in the chamber ?

*END*
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 03, 2012, 08:55:17 AM
I want more people to see it so we can start discussing stuff. :P
Putting my answers in small text:

Well, I agree that some things weren't explained, but I also think that's part of the charm. The mystery, and not knowing why some things happened or how they came to be. Just take the original Alien for example, people have wondered for over 30 years about the origin of the Space Jockey, the origin of the Xenomorphs and how the ship crashed on the planet. Who sent out the beacon, and so on. I think we got some questions answered though new questions were asked instead.

Regarding the Xenomorphs in Prometheus, I found that aspect to be very interesting. Obviously the one spawning at the end looked different due to coming from an engineer rather than a human. The painting of the Alien queen was interesting as well. One thing that I still haven't figured out exactly is what the black substance was, and exactly how the life-cycle was. The black substance infected Holloway who was killed, and the other scientist who went crazy and attacked people. Holloway had sex with Elizabeth = she gave birth to the octopus-looking alien. Was that one related to the snake-like alien somehow? Space Octopus rapes Space Jockey = Xenomorph.  :lol
Some of the engineers they found had exploded stomachs, yet there were no traces of Xenomorphs, eggs or facehuggers. That leaves me a bit puzzled. The big mystery as I see it, is what happened before Prometheus landed on the planet. Exactly what was the black substance, what was the purpose of it? How did the Engineers manage to "unleash" it on themselves, and what made them so scared that they were trying to enter the grave/urn-room, where they died outside?


/end spoiler. Without spoiling anything, I'd say that a sequel could explain a lot of stuff.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2012, 09:22:46 AM
The scene where Prometheus crashes into the Horseshoe ship and it falls back down to the planet is my favourite from the whole film.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 03, 2012, 01:02:28 PM
Space Octopus rapes Space Jockey = Xenomorph.  :lol

No......Overwhelmingly large Facehugger rapes Space Jockey = Xenomorph  :lol

Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Scorpion on June 03, 2012, 03:56:05 PM
Speaking of Ridley Scott, we watched Bladerunner in English class last week, because more than half of us weren't there and our teacher couldn't be bothered with holding a lesson for so few people.

Anyway, I'm ashamed to say that I fell asleep, though I blame that on my lacking amount of sleep and not on the movie itself. Woke up in time for the tits though  :biggrin:

That said, I'm pretty sure I'm going to watch Prometheus sometime this week or next, but I'm not nearly as psyched as many people here.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 07, 2012, 12:52:47 PM
Going again tomorrow !!!

I AM EXCITE ALL OVER AGAIN !!!

:D
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: bosk1 on June 07, 2012, 12:56:18 PM
I want to go tomorrow, but not sure whether it'll work out.  There's a 10:05 p.m. showing I've got my eye on if I can get away.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: TioJorge on June 07, 2012, 01:28:35 PM
I reallllly wanna go see it tonight but I'm closing the restaurant and we close at midnight from today till Sunday.  :-\ That said, it's all good cause this weekend I'll hopefully have time to go with my new lady-friend and enjoy some scare-cuddle-time. But damn it, I'm really aching to see this!!
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: PuffyPat on June 08, 2012, 02:14:50 AM
I have a total man-crush on Fassbender


what!?


what!?

*cough*me too*cough*


Damn. This movie was great.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: jcmistat on June 08, 2012, 12:01:30 PM
Seeing it tonight. Hype.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 08, 2012, 12:27:11 PM
We were going to see it sometime this weekend, but that was before I had to work today and somehow gained plans this Saturday. :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Adami on June 08, 2012, 12:52:37 PM
I have a total man-crush on Fassbender


what!?


what!?

*cough*me too*cough*


I can't. After seeing the movie Fish Tank, I just feel like he'd rape me and leave me.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: eric42434224 on June 08, 2012, 01:31:48 PM
Is this a movie worth seeing in Imax 3-D?

Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: glaurung on June 08, 2012, 02:33:16 PM
Is this a movie worth seeing in Imax 3-D?

I was just trying to decide that myself.

It was shot in 3-D instead of it being added in Post-production, so if they used it correctly it should look great.

Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 08, 2012, 02:51:02 PM
Yes it is worth it imo. But just a tip...don´t sit to close to the screen when it´s in 3D, i learned that the hard way! >:(

My 3D experience got ruined because the 3D effect on the stupid text line got all blurry and alot more when i sat on the 5th row.

Before u ask: I live in the viking territories more specific Sweden and hear we text like true vikings! So this will probably not effect u american folks and other non texting lands!

 :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 08, 2012, 08:08:32 PM
Just got back from Prometheus...

    Can someone please tell me what the hell happened in that movie? I don't get any of it.  :huh:

My gut reaction is I didn't like it. and my Uncle, who knows nothing about the Alien franchise, walked out of it 3/4 of the way through and was waiting for me in the car.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 08, 2012, 10:24:42 PM
The movie was terrifying! The visual effects were beautiful, and the plot no less than thrilling, but I am quite confused.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Progmetty on June 08, 2012, 11:23:38 PM
I have a total man-crush on Fassbender


what!?


what!?

*cough*me too*cough*

You're talking about Archie Hicox from IB right? if so I'm on board as well.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: jcmistat on June 09, 2012, 02:21:33 AM
I really liked it. I don't get the negativity with the plot holes. Oh they never explain why this happens so it just does? Leaving things to speculation and filling in your own blanks is great. A sequel or special features can fill in misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 09, 2012, 02:22:23 AM
Is this a movie worth seeing in Imax 3-D?

Absolutely !
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 09, 2012, 02:22:58 AM
I really liked it. I don't get the negativity with the plot holes. Oh they never explain why this happens so it just does? Leaving things to speculation and filling in your own blanks is great. A sequel or special features can fill in misunderstanding.

Not to mention that in real life you don't always get all your questions answered.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 09, 2012, 02:35:49 AM
When people complain about the plotholes, I don't think they focused on the parts that are left unknown for speculation, but more things like these: (putting in smaller text so I wont spoil those who haven't seen it)

One part that I thought was a bit silly was how easy they went from entering the planet's atmosphere, and then finding the ruins. Back in Alien they had a signal they could track down, but here they just stumbled upon them right away. I think it would have been more believable if they had checked the entire planet before landing, even if the ruins are cool, there might have been an even bigger facility just on the other side of some mountains. :P
We also have the scene when the infected scientist comes back and kills off 2-3 people in the crew. Yet, nobody even seems to miss these people. No scene about mourning them, to me it felt like the movie had reached a point where they realized "hey, we got too many people alive, we have to kill some off", which they did.

Another thing I know lots of people (myself included) complained about was characters doing irrational and stupid things.
One of my biggest issues with the movie was the two scientists that were left behind in the ruins. At first they were terrified when they heard about a possible lifeform, yet when they encountered the mutated worm/alien-snake, they decided to cuddle with it. No matter how much balls you have, there is no way you would go up to an alien and just "cuddle", no way.


Despite some problems with the plotholes and characters doing silly things, I still enjoyed the movie quite a lot. I still think that the script that leaked a while back would have made a better movie, but probably too close to the Alien movies.
 
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: RuRoRul on June 09, 2012, 08:03:16 AM
I thought it was OK, not great. I didn't have particularly high expectations for it and I haven't seen Alien, so I'm not really disappointed. I don't think it's anything to do with me not having seen Alien though - if anything the people who had seen the Alien films seemed to like it less than me. A guy sitting in the cinema behind me said immediately as the film ended "That was shite. Waste of money." Thought it was pretty funny even though I don't quite agree.

One thing I don't really get is how lots of people seemed to be confused by the film. Two of my friends that I went with (who had seen Alien) seemed to not understand the film as much as anything. When I tried to figure out exactly what part they didn't get I couldn't really work out exactly what it was, they just seemed to be generally confused by the film... not really sure what was confusing about it, myself.

But anyway, I found the beginning of the film really weak and the plot wasn't too interesting, but it was a good enough experience to watch and some of the characters were good. Michael Fassbender was great, probably the most memorable thing about the film, and I'm really glad Idris Elba had an important role in it.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Sigz on June 09, 2012, 10:47:46 AM
Seeing it today :caffeine:
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: lateralus88 on June 09, 2012, 10:56:52 AM
I always agree to letting a story leave questions unanswered and leaving it up to speculation, but the problem is that the things that Prometheus leaves out are actually very bothersome and without all that much physical evidence to prove a speculation.

On that note, I still loved the film. There were some minor issues I had with the script (especially that fucking awful line where Vickers was all like "FATHER!". They handled that pretty poorly if you ask me) but overall it was still fantastic.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 09, 2012, 12:14:01 PM
When people complain about the plotholes, I don't think they focused on the parts that are left unknown for speculation, but more things like these: (putting in smaller text so I wont spoil those who haven't seen it)

One part that I thought was a bit silly was how easy they went from entering the planet's atmosphere, and then finding the ruins. Back in Alien they had a signal they could track down, but here they just stumbled upon them right away. I think it would have been more believable if they had checked the entire planet before landing, even if the ruins are cool, there might have been an even bigger facility just on the other side of some mountains. :P
We also have the scene when the infected scientist comes back and kills off 2-3 people in the crew. Yet, nobody even seems to miss these people. No scene about mourning them, to me it felt like the movie had reached a point where they realized "hey, we got too many people alive, we have to kill some off", which they did.

Another thing I know lots of people (myself included) complained about was characters doing irrational and stupid things.
One of my biggest issues with the movie was the two scientists that were left behind in the ruins. At first they were terrified when they heard about a possible lifeform, yet when they encountered the mutated worm/alien-snake, they decided to cuddle with it. No matter how much balls you have, there is no way you would go up to an alien and just "cuddle", no way.


Despite some problems with the plotholes and characters doing silly things, I still enjoyed the movie quite a lot. I still think that the script that leaked a while back would have made a better movie, but probably too close to the Alien movies.

I agree with all those plus the fact that, at the very end, David just says 'There're more ships' and then suddenly they're on one and flying off.  Pretty weak there.

Also, nobody bats an eyelash at Weyland suddenly appearing on the ship or Shaw running around half-naked, covered in blood and with a stapled midsection.  Actually, that entire sequence going from when David tells Shaw that she's pregnant to Weyland's appearance is very odd, almost nonsensical and the fact that no one seems to notice that the med-room has a giant, quickly growing squid thing in it.

The structure of the movie is just really weird. The first half mirrors Alien quite a bit, but the second half is missing the threat of, well, anything to really drive the action.  All the action is driven by a series of semi-related occurrences; the alien lampreys, the mutated scientist, squid-baby and then, finally, the Engineer.  I won't say it's unsuccessful, it'll probably require another viewing before I come to that conclusion, but it's certainly missing something to unify the movie, something to drive the action other than the questionable decisions made by the characters or the black, mutating goo.  At no point did I really feel as if the entire crew was in jeopardy, they could just leave at any time really (notwithstanding Vicker's orders not to).

That said, it's pretty clear that some of this stuff isn't intended to be answered in the movie; the goals of the Engineers and the nature of the goo (bioweapon doesn't cut it, it's an extremly shitty bioweapon) so I hope, if there's a sequel, that they give the script a little more polish.  There's definitely an interesting story here and I hope they can find it, though maybe I would be pleased with just Noomi Rapace and Micheal Fassbender's head flying around the universe, solving mysteries. :D


So, in conclusion, great effects, the film is a pleasure to watch.  The acting is great all around, though Fassbender and Theron are the stars here.  The plot and writing are pretty weak at points, but it's not enough to make the film bad.  It's creepy, it's entertaining, but I'm still a bit disappointed.  Here's hoping that in 5 years Ridley releases the Director's Cut that's an hour longer and fixes up the questionable parts of the film.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 09, 2012, 12:17:48 PM
I really think another 15-20 minutes to the movie would have made it so much better. More character development (so that you would care more about what happens) and puzzling together some scenes in a better way. There were indeed scenes that felt a bit rushed and "crammed" in between two scenes, and I think that a few other scenes around those would make it flow better.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 09, 2012, 12:28:29 PM
I think the 'Weyland Reveal' is the one plot point that just fucks up the flow of the movie.  It's incredibly pointless and it lacks any sort of, I dunno, gravity.  I know when I saw the movie, I was more like 'Oh, it's Weyland um what?' There're hints dropped throughout the movie, but he isn't present long enough to build any sort of relationship with the audience.  He's just... there and then he dies.  Even David doesn't get much chance to interact with him.

My solution?  Make him a part of the crew from the very beginning, lower his age by about 10 or 15 years (that gets rid of that awful makeup), but keep it so that something is killing him, something terminal.  The first half of the movie is driven by Shaw's desire to find the Engineers and then, when shit goes down, the second half is driven by Weyland's belief that he can cheat death itself.  That gives a little more conflict with the crew and something other than black goo that drives the action. 

Plus, it means Guy Pearce is on screen longer and that's never a bad thing.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 09, 2012, 12:33:42 PM
Yeah I agree with all of that.

Guy Pearce is awesome and it's sad that he got to play an old man with tons of makeup. It looked pretty fake, and if they needed to have an older man, they should have casted an older actor IMO.
But as you said, why couldn't they just have made it so he had cancer or something? Something he couldn't cure at least, and he could just be himself.

Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 09, 2012, 02:35:46 PM
Seeing it tomorrow! :caffeine:
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Sigz on June 09, 2012, 07:13:25 PM
Saw it, there were a few things that seemed really weird. The one guy going crazy after getting acid in the face seemed really unnecessary, and the latter 1/3 or so just seemed rushed. Still, I really liked it overall.


Yeah I agree with all of that.

Guy Pearce is awesome and it's sad that he got to play an old man with tons of makeup. It looked pretty fake, and if they needed to have an older man, they should have casted an older actor IMO.
But as you said, why couldn't they just have made it so he had cancer or something? Something he couldn't cure at least, and he could just be himself.


I dunno, it looked kinda fake, but I feel like that was the point. At least I was under the impression that the guy was abnormally old and kept alive mainly through advanced medical tech, so it makes sense that he's not gonna look like a 'naturally' old person.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 09, 2012, 07:59:31 PM
I was talking with a friend of mine at work today about the movie. He referred to it as the "prequel trilogy of Alien films".  :lol

    I definitely wouldn't go that far, but it made me laugh a little bit. I feel like I need to see it again to really judge it.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MykeHavoc on June 09, 2012, 08:03:58 PM
I really enjoyed it. Kept me thinking about the possibilities and dwelling on some of the themes. I think it will be a film I go back to a number of times to unlock more of the mysteries. I certainly wouldn't mind a sequel. That would enable them to essentially be free from parameters of being an "Alien" related film and allow expansive, unique mythology. We shall see if the grosses justify one (my theater was pretty spacious, but it was a matinee). 
For what I was expecting, it was more then I could've hoped for. I give it a 4/5, possibly even 4.5/5.   
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MykeHavoc on June 09, 2012, 08:08:36 PM
Yeah I agree with all of that.

Guy Pearce is awesome and it's sad that he got to play an old man with tons of makeup. It looked pretty fake, and if they needed to have an older man, they should have casted an older actor IMO.
But as you said, why couldn't they just have made it so he had cancer or something? Something he couldn't cure at least, and he could just be himself.


They shot viral videos with him without makeup, so I assume they wanted the same actor instead of recasting for the older version. Honestly, I saw no issue with the makeup. No one I was with recognized him until I told them "that's the guy from Memento".
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Heretic on June 09, 2012, 08:48:28 PM
Saw it today, thought it was absolutely awesome. A few minor nitpicks but overall it was absolutely fantastic. Lots of things to speculate over, and that's half the fun, I'd say. It'll surely make for an awesome sequel.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: juice on June 10, 2012, 12:22:53 AM
So I have an option to see Avengers or this.  I'm not sure which to see.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MykeHavoc on June 10, 2012, 01:03:50 AM
Both are good.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 10, 2012, 04:02:42 AM
I don't know if any of you others saw it when it circulated the internet, but there was an early "draft" or idea going around, which I thought would have made a better movie probably. Maybe a bit closer to Alien, but that isn't really a problem.
And there's really no reason to spoil it because it's far from how the movie ended up, but still, the early idea was this:

Earth. Year 2058.

    Archaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that suggest humans were genetically engineered by an advanced alien race (space jockeys). These “Alien Gods” also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. Amongst finds are coordinates to the Alien Gods’ home-world, to Paradise. Months later, the Weyland Corp launch the spaceship Prometheus and its crew, into deep space to make first contact. Thanks to faster than light travel, a few years later the Prometheus enters the Zeta Riticuli star system. Humans are greeted by their makers, then transported further into space to a scary yet fascinating world. The Alien Gods are proud of their “children”, their first creation to reach such levels of intelligence.

    As a reward they share bits of their astonishing bio-based technologies with the humans. But for one crew member of the Prometheus it’s not enough. In a treacherous act he steals the “bio-source code” to Terraforming, a technology at the origin of all Gods’ power, that could make humans equal to the gods. The Alien Gods may be scientists, but are also ruthless conquerors, destroyers of worlds who will not accept humans as equals. They unleash on the escaping human crew their favorite bio-weapon, a creature used to “clean up” worlds before colonization. But something goes wrong in the process and humans manage to turn the bio-weapon against their makers. Giving birth to a smarter, nastier, bigger breed of gut-eating creatures. Creatures that will be the demise of Paradise. What’s left of the Prometheus crew manages to escape the doomed planet.

On their trail a survivor is an Alien God in very familiar ship with one ultimate mission: Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth.



I thought that would have made a great movie.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 10, 2012, 04:31:49 AM
I don't know if any of you others saw it when it circulated the internet, but there was an early "draft" or idea going around, which I thought would have made a better movie probably. Maybe a bit closer to Alien, but that isn't really a problem.
And there's really no reason to spoil it because it's far from how the movie ended up, but still, the early idea was this:

Earth. Year 2058.

    Archaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that suggest humans were genetically engineered by an advanced alien race (space jockeys). These “Alien Gods” also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. Amongst finds are coordinates to the Alien Gods’ home-world, to Paradise. Months later, the Weyland Corp launch the spaceship Prometheus and its crew, into deep space to make first contact. Thanks to faster than light travel, a few years later the Prometheus enters the Zeta Riticuli star system. Humans are greeted by their makers, then transported further into space to a scary yet fascinating world. The Alien Gods are proud of their “children”, their first creation to reach such levels of intelligence.

    As a reward they share bits of their astonishing bio-based technologies with the humans. But for one crew member of the Prometheus it’s not enough. In a treacherous act he steals the “bio-source code” to Terraforming, a technology at the origin of all Gods’ power, that could make humans equal to the gods. The Alien Gods may be scientists, but are also ruthless conquerors, destroyers of worlds who will not accept humans as equals. They unleash on the escaping human crew their favorite bio-weapon, a creature used to “clean up” worlds before colonization. But something goes wrong in the process and humans manage to turn the bio-weapon against their makers. Giving birth to a smarter, nastier, bigger breed of gut-eating creatures. Creatures that will be the demise of Paradise. What’s left of the Prometheus crew manages to escape the doomed planet.

On their trail a survivor is an Alien God in very familiar ship with one ultimate mission: Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth.



I thought that would have made a great movie.

That would have been sweet.

   And I know it will probably would never happen, but I wish James Cameron would come back and do Prometheans.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 10, 2012, 05:26:22 AM
While I love some of Cameron's older stuff, he hasn't really done anything that has impressed me in the last decade or so. :/
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 10, 2012, 06:42:17 AM
Probably because he's only done one film since 1997  :P

Everything before that was awesome though.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 10, 2012, 06:51:23 AM
Well yeah, still I don't really care for Titanic either. So for me it's still like 15-20 years since he made something I appreciated. :P
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 10, 2012, 07:18:55 AM
Well yeah, still I don't really care for Titanic either. So for me it's still like 15-20 years since he made something I appreciated. :P

Everything From Aliens til True Lies is all golden though.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 10, 2012, 07:29:03 AM
Just out of curiosity, has Scott ever said anything about his thoughts on Aliens?
That he didn't care much for Alien 3 and Resurrection (or AVP) seems quite obvious, but what about Aliens?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: njdtfan on June 10, 2012, 09:04:33 AM
I will take Ridley over Cameron any day.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Sigz on June 10, 2012, 09:33:20 AM
I will take Ridley over Cameron any day.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: njdtfan on June 10, 2012, 09:35:54 AM
Scott is pure genius. Not taking anything away from cameron, but he relies alot on special effects and to be honest is not a great story teller. Case in point, Cameron could never have done Black Hawk Down (IMHO) one of the greatest movies ever made.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 10, 2012, 09:37:45 AM
I'd probably take Scott over Cameron as well, though I think Aliens has aged better than Alien. (the latter is still good, but it looks old in some places)
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: njdtfan on June 10, 2012, 09:41:10 AM
I will agree with that.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 10, 2012, 09:55:30 AM
Hear is my thoughts on the movie:


I´m sorry but i suck immensly at reviewing movies and will instead redirect to this other review that i found on IMDB.com that pretty much sums up my feelings on the movie:





Author: michael-albertsen from Denmark
*** This review may contain spoilers ***

I'm really sorry, but this a major disappointment.

No, I didn't expect miracles or something close to the original Alien. I've been following Scott for 30 years - and it's clear that he has been on the decline since Gladiator and Black Hawk Down.

I liked a few of his later movies like A Good Year - but most have been rather flat and uninspired.

One thing I've noticed, is that he's gotten increasingly complacent with his own "point of view" in terms of historical facts and how things work in reality. It's like he has a complete disregard for plausible motivations or factual information about how things work.

Case in point - there's a scene in the movie where a certain character has to have an operation performed on her body - and it involves slicing directly through the skin and muscle-tissue of her abdomen. After the procedure, she's simply "stitched together" by metal clips in like 3 seconds - and with a bit of local anesthetic, she continues to move and jump about with some moaning. Ehm, you CAN'T have any kind of normal movement with your muscle tissue completely severed - and there was absolutely no healing involved. Just one of a series of ridiculous events.

The plot is entirely juvenile and cliché stuff with "profound" questions like who created us. For some reason, the beings who created us also want to kill us - and it seems to involve incredibly elaborate genetic engineering that also happened to kill most of them in their remote "lab facility". They're CLEARLY much more powerful than we are - and they could just bomb the hell out of us, or do it in a thousand simpler ways. But no, they seem to want to utilize excessively elaborate and dangerous genetic modification or infestation - that they can't even control.

They also like to record recent events with some kind of holographic recorder device that is unable to render clear images, only some cool ghostly images that I bet Scott loved to play with. But they're quite flexible in how they let you play recordings of their security procedure - so you can access their systems without effort.

Characters are void of personality and growth, they're REALLY stupid - and they like to freak out for no reason, and they like to stay calm and playful when there IS a reason - like when encountering a nasty looking cobra-worm - an alien - for the first time in history.

Among these faceless people - we have some willing to gleefully commit suicide by ramming an alien ship, because they like their captain, and they're required to do so because he "can't fly worth a damn" - despite him being the primary pilot hired by a billionaire to do nothing but fly the ship.

We have a religious scientist who concludes that she's found our creators, based on: "It's what I choose to believe".

Then we have the very same religious scientist look at an alien "head" they brought back - and she notices some strange growth on it. She then spends 2 seconds thinking and concludes that this is obviously some kind of "foreign cells" (impressive deduction, I must say) - and she decides to stimulate the cells with electricity - just to see what happens. No research - no caution - no nothing.

We have people who decide to open the door to their ship, seemingly with no thought process, despite having just faced complete chaos by extremely hostile alien forces - because one of their crew mates seems to be lying in front of the door. This while other crew mates have just been taken over by some kind of alien infestation.

Then we have the boyfriend of said religious scientist (a douche) who decides that the air in an alien environment is safe to breathe because his device tells him it is - and he immediately removes his helmet. A classic Hollywood scientist moment, and clearly there's no need to worry about biological contaminants in a place like that.

This movie is FULL of this kind of utterly implausible behavior and random decisions.

It has a couple of "for effect" gore scenes - but Scott manages to include ZERO tension along with them. As a result, they're mildly disgusting - but they have no lasting effect whatsoever.

The "aliens" that are a part of this movie all look like plastic - because of overly smooth and pale skin. They look like Lovecraft creatures without a much-needed paint-job.

We have a horribly predictable, pointless and wasted twist involving Guy Pearce and a certain other cast member.

We have an android, well-acted by Fassbender, who seems to be fully random in his decisions and motivations. Few actions made sense in any context - not to me anyway.

The music was overwrought and didn't fit with the mood of the film, and it seemed like one theme being repeated endlessly. A surprise, given Scott's usual flair for good music.

I think Lindelof is a complete and total hack - who only got the job because he was the "yes-man" who could match Scott's ego. This is pretty obvious in interviews - where Lindelof always manages to publicly kiss Scott's behind.

1 Star for Fassbender's performance.

1 Star for the amazingly detailed visuals.

1 Star for how the above combine to form the excellent beginning.

Now, it's just a matter of leaning back - musing over a thousand different people coming up with a thousand different explanations - each being the "correct" interpretation of this deep and thought-provoking masterpiece.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Heretic on June 10, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
Feels like he's just complaining for the sake of complaining; a lot of the things he brings up are of personal preference.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 10, 2012, 12:04:39 PM
To be fair there were several plotholes. I think the big difference that divides people who liked the movie or disliked it, is how much you actually look for the plotholes. I thought it had some, but most of them was minor enough to not bother me.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: BlackInk on June 10, 2012, 12:07:42 PM
Is anyone else disappointed at the people of the world becasue Madagascar 3 made more money than Prometheus this weekend?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Sigz on June 10, 2012, 12:18:30 PM
Not really. I'd generally expect children's movies to make more money than an R rated flick.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Progmetty on June 10, 2012, 01:13:13 PM
Loved this movie, I'll need to read this thread before discussing anything.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: skydivingninja on June 10, 2012, 01:48:28 PM
So I just saw it.  My thoughts in spoiler tags:

The first half of the movie was pretty good.  Yeah there were some stupid decisions ("Hey let's play with the cobra facehugger!") but it was well-acted and well-paced.  The point where it lost me was when David decided to slip Holloway some black goo.  Was it just because he could?  Was it human testing?  Was it revenge for him acting like a douche?  I took it as the third, but there was little plausible reason for him to do that.  Other problems included the pointless redhead bearded guy coming back to attack everyone (did nothing for the plot whatsoever), the big "reveal" that Weyland was on board the whole time was really predictable, and the fact that no one seemed surprised that A. Weyland was walking around all of a sudden, and B. that Shaw just took a fucking squid out of her stomach.  But I think my biggest issue is this: if you have a villain, and that villain is intelligent enough to, say, create life on earth, and then you make it want to kill all of us, your viewers will probably want to know why, and why use a convoluted bioweapon other than to give your popular creation an origin story (black goo + human = octopus.  Octopus + Engineer = Xenomorph apparently).  When those questions are unanswered, it leaves people a bit unsatisfied with the ending unless all they wanted to see was an Alien on screen again.  All that said, there were some great actors who took what they were given and made it really work (Theron, Fassbender, and Elba), and the first half of the movie was pretty good.  It just lost me halfway and made me think "this movie sure is long" which isn't a good thing for a 2 hour movie.  A 2.6329/5
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: njdtfan on June 10, 2012, 01:49:43 PM
Look at the big picture. prometheus is a great flick. To be honest, it is a tuff position for Scott. he did not want it to be an exact prequal to the Alien gig, yet, he opened the book. To be honest, I thought it was a great movie. Again, rock in a hard place. For those that followed the first 2 Alien movies, it does set up some things, yet for those that havent seen them.......... well again opens a sequal. remember, the 2 best Alien movies are over 25 years old. Most youngins, unless prompted have probably not seen those 2. I recently took a film study cousre)for the heck of it cause (I already have my degrees etc). just thought it would be intersting to see how the younger generation looks at movies. I brought up the Alien movies, and the younger generation was like whats that( BTW I am 45). It is funny. and I know i am going off track, but i guess to each there own. If you want to see Madascar 3, go ahead. You want to Avengers go ahead. The beauty of it all is it is film. We are fortunate enough to see these great movies. Believe it or not it shapes us. That said, after i put my sons to sleep tonite, I am watching again, my favorite film ever, Silence of The Lambs. Yeah, and over 20 year old. yet, if you have never seen it, it will make your balls jump out of your pants. just sayin
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: mrjazzguitar on June 10, 2012, 01:52:16 PM
Hear is my thoughts on the movie:


I´m sorry but i suck immensly at reviewing movies and will instead redirect to this other review that i found on IMDB.com that pretty much sums up my feelings on the movie:





Author: michael-albertsen from Denmark
*** This review may contain spoilers ***

I'm really sorry, but this a major disappointment.

No, I didn't expect miracles or something close to the original Alien. I've been following Scott for 30 years - and it's clear that he has been on the decline since Gladiator and Black Hawk Down.

I liked a few of his later movies like A Good Year - but most have been rather flat and uninspired.

One thing I've noticed, is that he's gotten increasingly complacent with his own "point of view" in terms of historical facts and how things work in reality. It's like he has a complete disregard for plausible motivations or factual information about how things work.

Case in point - there's a scene in the movie where a certain character has to have an operation performed on her body - and it involves slicing directly through the skin and muscle-tissue of her abdomen. After the procedure, she's simply "stitched together" by metal clips in like 3 seconds - and with a bit of local anesthetic, she continues to move and jump about with some moaning. Ehm, you CAN'T have any kind of normal movement with your muscle tissue completely severed - and there was absolutely no healing involved. Just one of a series of ridiculous events.

The plot is entirely juvenile and cliché stuff with "profound" questions like who created us. For some reason, the beings who created us also want to kill us - and it seems to involve incredibly elaborate genetic engineering that also happened to kill most of them in their remote "lab facility". They're CLEARLY much more powerful than we are - and they could just bomb the hell out of us, or do it in a thousand simpler ways. But no, they seem to want to utilize excessively elaborate and dangerous genetic modification or infestation - that they can't even control.

They also like to record recent events with some kind of holographic recorder device that is unable to render clear images, only some cool ghostly images that I bet Scott loved to play with. But they're quite flexible in how they let you play recordings of their security procedure - so you can access their systems without effort.

Characters are void of personality and growth, they're REALLY stupid - and they like to freak out for no reason, and they like to stay calm and playful when there IS a reason - like when encountering a nasty looking cobra-worm - an alien - for the first time in history.

Among these faceless people - we have some willing to gleefully commit suicide by ramming an alien ship, because they like their captain, and they're required to do so because he "can't fly worth a damn" - despite him being the primary pilot hired by a billionaire to do nothing but fly the ship.

We have a religious scientist who concludes that she's found our creators, based on: "It's what I choose to believe".

Then we have the very same religious scientist look at an alien "head" they brought back - and she notices some strange growth on it. She then spends 2 seconds thinking and concludes that this is obviously some kind of "foreign cells" (impressive deduction, I must say) - and she decides to stimulate the cells with electricity - just to see what happens. No research - no caution - no nothing.

We have people who decide to open the door to their ship, seemingly with no thought process, despite having just faced complete chaos by extremely hostile alien forces - because one of their crew mates seems to be lying in front of the door. This while other crew mates have just been taken over by some kind of alien infestation.

Then we have the boyfriend of said religious scientist (a douche) who decides that the air in an alien environment is safe to breathe because his device tells him it is - and he immediately removes his helmet. A classic Hollywood scientist moment, and clearly there's no need to worry about biological contaminants in a place like that.

This movie is FULL of this kind of utterly implausible behavior and random decisions.

It has a couple of "for effect" gore scenes - but Scott manages to include ZERO tension along with them. As a result, they're mildly disgusting - but they have no lasting effect whatsoever.

The "aliens" that are a part of this movie all look like plastic - because of overly smooth and pale skin. They look like Lovecraft creatures without a much-needed paint-job.

We have a horribly predictable, pointless and wasted twist involving Guy Pearce and a certain other cast member.

We have an android, well-acted by Fassbender, who seems to be fully random in his decisions and motivations. Few actions made sense in any context - not to me anyway.

The music was overwrought and didn't fit with the mood of the film, and it seemed like one theme being repeated endlessly. A surprise, given Scott's usual flair for good music.

I think Lindelof is a complete and total hack - who only got the job because he was the "yes-man" who could match Scott's ego. This is pretty obvious in interviews - where Lindelof always manages to publicly kiss Scott's behind.

1 Star for Fassbender's performance.

1 Star for the amazingly detailed visuals.

1 Star for how the above combine to form the excellent beginning.

Now, it's just a matter of leaning back - musing over a thousand different people coming up with a thousand different explanations - each being the "correct" interpretation of this deep and thought-provoking masterpiece.


This review NAILED it.

Oh and Charlize Theron is ridiculously hot throughout, but the movie sucked.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: skydivingninja on June 10, 2012, 02:18:03 PM
Charlize Theron in incredibly hot throughout everything.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: njdtfan on June 10, 2012, 02:29:59 PM
I would let her do me.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Sigz on June 10, 2012, 03:29:59 PM
Hear is my thoughts on the movie:


I´m sorry but i suck immensly at reviewing movies and will instead redirect to this other review that i found on IMDB.com that pretty much sums up my feelings on the movie:





Author: michael-albertsen from Denmark
*** This review may contain spoilers ***

I'm really sorry, but this a major disappointment.

No, I didn't expect miracles or something close to the original Alien. I've been following Scott for 30 years - and it's clear that he has been on the decline since Gladiator and Black Hawk Down.

I liked a few of his later movies like A Good Year - but most have been rather flat and uninspired.

One thing I've noticed, is that he's gotten increasingly complacent with his own "point of view" in terms of historical facts and how things work in reality. It's like he has a complete disregard for plausible motivations or factual information about how things work.

Case in point - there's a scene in the movie where a certain character has to have an operation performed on her body - and it involves slicing directly through the skin and muscle-tissue of her abdomen. After the procedure, she's simply "stitched together" by metal clips in like 3 seconds - and with a bit of local anesthetic, she continues to move and jump about with some moaning. Ehm, you CAN'T have any kind of normal movement with your muscle tissue completely severed - and there was absolutely no healing involved. Just one of a series of ridiculous events.

The plot is entirely juvenile and cliché stuff with "profound" questions like who created us. For some reason, the beings who created us also want to kill us - and it seems to involve incredibly elaborate genetic engineering that also happened to kill most of them in their remote "lab facility". They're CLEARLY much more powerful than we are - and they could just bomb the hell out of us, or do it in a thousand simpler ways. But no, they seem to want to utilize excessively elaborate and dangerous genetic modification or infestation - that they can't even control.

They also like to record recent events with some kind of holographic recorder device that is unable to render clear images, only some cool ghostly images that I bet Scott loved to play with. But they're quite flexible in how they let you play recordings of their security procedure - so you can access their systems without effort.

Characters are void of personality and growth, they're REALLY stupid - and they like to freak out for no reason, and they like to stay calm and playful when there IS a reason - like when encountering a nasty looking cobra-worm - an alien - for the first time in history.

Among these faceless people - we have some willing to gleefully commit suicide by ramming an alien ship, because they like their captain, and they're required to do so because he "can't fly worth a damn" - despite him being the primary pilot hired by a billionaire to do nothing but fly the ship.

We have a religious scientist who concludes that she's found our creators, based on: "It's what I choose to believe".

Then we have the very same religious scientist look at an alien "head" they brought back - and she notices some strange growth on it. She then spends 2 seconds thinking and concludes that this is obviously some kind of "foreign cells" (impressive deduction, I must say) - and she decides to stimulate the cells with electricity - just to see what happens. No research - no caution - no nothing.

We have people who decide to open the door to their ship, seemingly with no thought process, despite having just faced complete chaos by extremely hostile alien forces - because one of their crew mates seems to be lying in front of the door. This while other crew mates have just been taken over by some kind of alien infestation.

Then we have the boyfriend of said religious scientist (a douche) who decides that the air in an alien environment is safe to breathe because his device tells him it is - and he immediately removes his helmet. A classic Hollywood scientist moment, and clearly there's no need to worry about biological contaminants in a place like that.

This movie is FULL of this kind of utterly implausible behavior and random decisions.

It has a couple of "for effect" gore scenes - but Scott manages to include ZERO tension along with them. As a result, they're mildly disgusting - but they have no lasting effect whatsoever.

The "aliens" that are a part of this movie all look like plastic - because of overly smooth and pale skin. They look like Lovecraft creatures without a much-needed paint-job.

We have a horribly predictable, pointless and wasted twist involving Guy Pearce and a certain other cast member.

We have an android, well-acted by Fassbender, who seems to be fully random in his decisions and motivations. Few actions made sense in any context - not to me anyway.

The music was overwrought and didn't fit with the mood of the film, and it seemed like one theme being repeated endlessly. A surprise, given Scott's usual flair for good music.

I think Lindelof is a complete and total hack - who only got the job because he was the "yes-man" who could match Scott's ego. This is pretty obvious in interviews - where Lindelof always manages to publicly kiss Scott's behind.

1 Star for Fassbender's performance.

1 Star for the amazingly detailed visuals.

1 Star for how the above combine to form the excellent beginning.

Now, it's just a matter of leaning back - musing over a thousand different people coming up with a thousand different explanations - each being the "correct" interpretation of this deep and thought-provoking masterpiece.


Sweet merciful mother of nitpicking batman. Not that I disagree with everything you said (because I don't), but many of these either 1) have explanations, or 2) have almost no consequence on the actual story. Case in point - whether she was careless with the head or reckless and blew it up is irrelevant, either one would have given the same result: that their DNA was human.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 10, 2012, 04:19:25 PM
Yeah i know that review is kind of messy written but he has alot of good points! :lol Let me put it like this: I was extremely excited for this movie and to then find out that the movie is full of this amazingly stupid and shallow characters made me rage! To be honest the plotholes didn´t bug as much as the characters. What was even the purpose of Charlize´s character Meredith? other than to have the typical hidden agenda!? The way they choose her to die just made me laugh so hard, perfect way of getting rid of a annoying character! But i still enjoyd watching it though, weird right!  :)
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 10, 2012, 05:09:15 PM
The "Yes, father"-scene was possibly the worst scene in the entire movie.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: lateralus88 on June 10, 2012, 05:21:50 PM
The "Yes, father"-scene was possibly the worst scene in the entire movie.
This x Infinity + 1. That line was fucking awful.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: skydivingninja on June 10, 2012, 06:11:10 PM
The "Yes, father"-scene was possibly the worst scene in the entire movie.
This x Infinity + 1. That line was fucking awful.

I can agree with this.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Heretic on June 10, 2012, 08:17:16 PM
The "Yes, father"-scene was possibly the worst scene in the entire movie.

I liked the "a king has his reign, and then he dies" line, but otherwise, yes, it was the worst scene overall.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: GuineaPig on June 10, 2012, 08:41:00 PM
I don't know if any of you others saw it when it circulated the internet, but there was an early "draft" or idea going around, which I thought would have made a better movie probably. Maybe a bit closer to Alien, but that isn't really a problem.
And there's really no reason to spoil it because it's far from how the movie ended up, but still, the early idea was this:

Earth. Year 2058.

    Archaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that suggest humans were genetically engineered by an advanced alien race (space jockeys). These “Alien Gods” also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. Amongst finds are coordinates to the Alien Gods’ home-world, to Paradise. Months later, the Weyland Corp launch the spaceship Prometheus and its crew, into deep space to make first contact. Thanks to faster than light travel, a few years later the Prometheus enters the Zeta Riticuli star system. Humans are greeted by their makers, then transported further into space to a scary yet fascinating world. The Alien Gods are proud of their “children”, their first creation to reach such levels of intelligence.

    As a reward they share bits of their astonishing bio-based technologies with the humans. But for one crew member of the Prometheus it’s not enough. In a treacherous act he steals the “bio-source code” to Terraforming, a technology at the origin of all Gods’ power, that could make humans equal to the gods. The Alien Gods may be scientists, but are also ruthless conquerors, destroyers of worlds who will not accept humans as equals. They unleash on the escaping human crew their favorite bio-weapon, a creature used to “clean up” worlds before colonization. But something goes wrong in the process and humans manage to turn the bio-weapon against their makers. Giving birth to a smarter, nastier, bigger breed of gut-eating creatures. Creatures that will be the demise of Paradise. What’s left of the Prometheus crew manages to escape the doomed planet.

On their trail a survivor is an Alien God in very familiar ship with one ultimate mission: Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth.



I thought that would have made a great movie.

The first paragraph is just the plot of 2001.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Sigz on June 10, 2012, 08:49:56 PM
Eh, only on the surface. The aliens in 2001 didn't genetically engineer anything, they didn't teraform earth, and (most importantly) they didn't really interact with the humans who followed their beacon, besides Dave and HAL. Not to mention that a large portion of the plot revolves around HAL, and has nothing to do with aliens.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: GuineaPig on June 10, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
Eh, only on the surface. The aliens in 2001 didn't genetically engineer anything, they didn't teraform earth, and (most importantly) they didn't really interact with the humans who followed their beacon, besides Dave and HAL. Not to mention that a large portion of the plot revolves around HAL, and has nothing to do with aliens.

The monoliths provided the ability to use tools, and later, to progress beyond them.  There was definitely engineering.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 10, 2012, 09:22:30 PM
Yeah, but the monoliths didn't create humanity, merely influenced it.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: countoftuscany42 on June 10, 2012, 11:44:05 PM
I enjoyed the movie, but would need to see it again to really understand everything.  I feel like too much was left out and characters didnt totally make sense, but i still like it as a film.
however I did read this article: https://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1, which really helped explain aspects of the film, particularly regarding the religious overtones throughout. i would recommend everyone who saw the movie to read it.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 10, 2012, 11:53:31 PM
The "Yes, father"-scene was possibly the worst scene in the entire movie.
This x Infinity + 1. That line was fucking awful.

I can agree with this.

Yep, I'm on board with that too.  Other than that, I enjoyed it more than I was expecting to.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Progmetty on June 11, 2012, 03:23:17 AM
8 minutes into the first Alien movie, seeing it for the first time ever. I had to stop and come by to note how much I'm enjoying the contrast between what 70's movie makers envisioned as futuristic equipment and devices inside a space ship and what we do now, truly hilarious :lol
70's idea of futuristic equipment was really highly dependent on having plenty of different colored small light bulbs and also the sounds the 70's futuristic devices make are priceless.
It's a daring mission to watch this movie with the mind set that it's events are happening after the movie I went to see yesterday, especially with the very modern and current hair styles and lingo of Prometheus and on the other side the 70's beards and ABBA hair styles heh
T'is gonna be fun.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Progmetty on June 11, 2012, 06:47:41 AM
Done, well that was basically Jaws in outer space. It was fun but had none of the depth of Prometheus.
I'm glad Hollywood finally knows that we understand when you send one of the crew to do something alone it means you're getting him killed, the original Alien movie was a reminder of this predictable dilemma.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Zantera on June 11, 2012, 07:24:24 AM
Are you saying that Prometheus is better than Alien?  :o
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: skydivingninja on June 11, 2012, 07:26:52 AM
"Deeper" does not necessarily make a film better.  With Prometheus, I think it hindered it more than it helped. 
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: GuineaPig on June 11, 2012, 07:30:06 AM
"Deeper" does not necessarily make a film better.  With Prometheus, I think it hindered it more than it helped.

Someone should reaaally tell Damon Lindelof this.  It's apparently his life's work to inject the philosophical musings of a freshman university student into various works of science fiction.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: Dream Team on June 11, 2012, 08:13:36 AM
Done, well that was basically Jaws in outer space. It was fun but had none of the depth of Prometheus.
I'm glad Hollywood finally knows that we understand when you send one of the crew to do something alone it means you're getting him killed, the original Alien movie was a reminder of this predictable dilemma.

You do realize that Alien is universally recognized as one of the greatest works in horror/Sci-fi, right? And that Prometheus will be forgotten in a very short amount of time?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Progmetty on June 11, 2012, 08:43:04 AM
No I do not realize that Prometheus will be forgotten in a very short amount of time.
Yes I do realize Alien is universally recognized as one of the greatest works in horror/Sci-fi. I think it's basically just due to it being one of the pioneer movies in that area.
And:
"Deeper" does not necessarily make a film better. 

This.

Are you saying that Prometheus is better than Alien?  :o

I've certainly enjoyed Prometheus more but that's for a number of obvious factors, some of them technological and some format related. I really saw 80% of the events in Alien coming a few minutes before it happened but that's because I have the accumulative experience of similar "format" movies that has been made since 1979, I'm pretty sure if I saw it at it's opening year I would have been stunned and amazed.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2012, 09:04:45 AM
First off, I edited the thread title to include a spoiler alert.  It's a movie thread for a movie that is now out.  If people honestly don't know the thread will contain spoilers, they should have their Internet privileges revoked.

Anyhow, saw it on Friday.  And let me just say, I liked the film. I didn't love it. But I liked it. Let me also say right up front that Scott was in a difficult position. It is a given that the film was going to evoke a lot of imagery from Alien, and that certain things were going to happen certain ways. Just inevitable. He handed that as well as could possibly be expected, I think. And, yeah, pretty much every big event in the film was predictable. With Scott directing, that predictability was tolerable. With anyone else directing, it would have been a boring mess.  But let's face facts:  Most of us, myself included, would have seen it even if it were horrible.

All that being said, even putting aside my theological issues with the movie and how stupid the whole "superior aliens from far, far away created us" myth is, it was a fun 3/5 movie that I would see again just to be able to fill in some of the gaps in my own mind for certain issues. That's my overall impression. I few specifics, positive and negative:

1. So, the premise basically centers around the fact that the engineers essentially created what appears to be a weaponized virus that re-engineers the DNA of whatever it infects to creae mutated parasitic life forms that multiply rapidly and destroy all non-virus-based life forms. Pretty cool, interesting, and frightening premise. So far, I'm on board. The fact that they were basically in a military bunker added to the effect. Perhaps it was just my military background kicking in, but when the Prometheus first found the bunkers and was landing, my first thought was, "those look like either munitions bunkers or burial mounds." Turns out I was essentially correct on both counts.

2. Despite the coolness of #1 above, Scott made some gaffes in the genetics area. Namely, the Engineers are NOT a complete, 100% genetic match with humans. If they were, they wouldn't be so different from us. It would have been such a simple thing to say they are almost a complete match. Small detail, but it is attention to the small details that often takes a good movie and makes it great. This was small, but at the same time, glaring, IMO.

3. Why did the Engineer in the beginning drink the virus in the first place? And why did it have the effect on him that it did? I think that scene was meant to imply that his DNA basically spread around to create life here on earth. But it just didn't seem to make sense to me. First off, the virus doesn't shatter DNA elsewhere in the film. It modifies it. Second, if that's how they were going to create life, surely there were better ways to spread Engineer DNA than a suicide mission. Third, I thought the cave painting were supposed to indicate that humans lived side-by-side with Engineers for a time. Maybe this is to set up that humans are essentially descended from a virus, which is why the Engineers ultimately decide to destroy us? Maybe it's to set up the chilling premise that humans actually share a genetic kinship with the xenomorphs and other nasty creatures produced by the virus? Those would be interesting twists, I suppose. But I'm not really sure Scott had something like this in mind. It may simply be a throwaway scene that has no real point other than to make us ask questions there are no answers to.

4. Why did Shaw have to become inpregnated? I mean, yeah, it goes back to what was perhaps one of the most frightening aspects of the whole Alien series: these terrifying, creepy monsters start out inside of us!!! But that whole sequence of events just didn't work for me. It just didn't. It felt dumb and contrived from start to finish. If it was just to set up the xenomorph at the end, it could have been handled differently (and better). For instance, we could have merely had a chest burster pop out of the scientists who were in the bunker rather than simply have one disappear and the other turn into zombie scientist.

5. Why a xenomorph at the end? Yeah, there were millions of geek-gasms across the country this past weekend from everyone who saw the original Alien movies. It was worth it for that alone. But, again, Scott did it wrong. First off, mature xenomorphs don't pop out of their hosts. Second, they don't look like a kid in a pterodactyl suit.

6. The falling Engineer ship. Oh, the falling Engineer ship... Okay, let's set this up. Large, tall object is falling along a certain line and will crush the puny protagonists underneath if they can't somehow manage to escape. Rather than take a few steps to the right or left, which would be an easy escape, the protagonist instead chooses the futile exercise of running as fast as possible (but not fast enough) down the same line that is the path of the falling object. If I have done even a mediocre job of explaining the problem properly, you should be having the exact same reaction I had when seeing this scene, which is: "Wait, this seems familiar--Is this...?--Did he just...?--THIS IS BUGS BUNNY! I HAVE SEEN THIS EXACT SAME GAG IN EVERY SINGLE BUGS BUNNY CARTOON SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME!" And as much as I adore Bugs Bunny, I don't want Bugs Bunny in my Ridley Scott alien sci-fi horror thriller, thanks.  I was legitimately expecting to see a cutaway scene any moment of Wile E. Coyote receiving a package from Acme, which is not the reaction a movie set in the Alien universe is supposed to evoke.

Those are some of my questions/beefs. Still a decent movie. I will see the sequel(s) and likely see this one again, just because.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Zantera on June 11, 2012, 09:31:05 AM
3. From what I understood it was indeed an engineer who drank the black liquid in order to sacrifice himself to create life. Didn't necessarily have to be on earth, but just showing how the whole terraforming-process starts. As from what I understood the black liquid broke down the DNA and altered it, changing it. The results seemed to be different, Holloway got killed before we got to see any true effects, the other scientist came back crazy, and the engineer in the beginning probably died from it.

5. I agree it was a bit weird. The fact that the Xenomorph looked differently felt logical to me since it came out of an Engineer, and not a human being, just like how in Alien 3, the alien is drastically different due to coming from a dog.
As for how the Xenomorph was created, we do have the whole: Alien Queen > Eggs > Facehugger > Chestburster > Full grown Xenomorph, would have made more sense if the Xenomorph at the end was a Queen.

6. Yeah, I agree with this. That was actually one of the more silly scenes, it's the same in all movies where something huge is falling, in all cases the characters run forward instead of running to the sides.  :lol
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2012, 09:46:02 AM
3. From what I understood it was indeed an engineer who drank the black liquid in order to sacrifice himself to create life. Didn't necessarily have to be on earth, but just showing how the whole terraforming-process starts. As from what I understood the black liquid broke down the DNA and altered it, changing it. The results seemed to be different, Holloway got killed before we got to see any true effects, the other scientist came back crazy, and the engineer in the beginning probably died from it.

I suppose.  And I guess it does fit the allusion to the Greek Prometheus myth (although, is Prometheus meant to symbolize humanity, the Engineers, or certain specific human or nonhuman individuals?  Interesting to ponder).  I don't consider this scene to be a knock on the whole film.  I'm just not sure how it fits.

5. I agree it was a bit weird. The fact that the Xenomorph looked differently felt logical to me since it came out of an Engineer, and not a human being, just like how in Alien 3, the alien is drastically different due to coming from a dog.
As for how the Xenomorph was created, we do have the whole: Alien Queen > Eggs > Facehugger > Chestburster > Full grown Xenomorph, would have made more sense if the Xenomorph at the end was a Queen.

But see, this is where I have a problem with #2.  Yeah, the DNA is ever so slightly different.  Exactly.  So Shaw shouldn't have said it was a 100% match.  Anyway...

I have mixed feelings about the life cycle part of it.  I've been pissed for years about how some of the sequels have deviated.  But then again, that specific life cycle was something that was in Cameron's script.  If you watch the extended version of Alien, and you find out what happened to Dallas, it's clear that Scott didn't necessarily intend on that being a rigid formula since the drone in Alien apparently also had the ability to lay eggs.

6. Yeah, I agree with this. That was actually one of the more silly scenes, it's the same in all movies where something huge is falling, in all cases the characters run forward instead of running to the sides.  :lol

Without giving specifics, I laid out the general sequence of events for my secretary a few minutes ago and asked her if she has ever seen that before.  Without even a pause, she says, "Yeah.  Roadrunner cartoons."  That pretty much says it all.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 11, 2012, 09:53:04 AM
I thought the myth of Prometheus was not that he CREATED humanity, but brought fire to humanity.  Or am I mixing up my mythology here?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2012, 09:56:33 AM
Quote from: wikipedia (because even though it would be better to cite a primary source, I'm lazy)
Prometheus (Greek: Προμηθεύς) is a Titan, culture hero, and trickster figure who in Greek mythology is credited with the creation of man from clay and the theft of fire for human use, an act that enabled progress and civilization.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 11, 2012, 09:57:39 AM
Ah, I figured I got that wrong. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2012, 10:01:49 AM
Well, since it was both, doesn't that technically mean you were right?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 11, 2012, 10:02:36 AM
Partially, maybe. :lol
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie coming in 2012)
Post by: MykeHavoc on June 11, 2012, 10:19:01 AM
Done, well that was basically Jaws in outer space. It was fun but had none of the depth of Prometheus.

Are you aware that a lot of the curiosities you would have pondered for years were no longer there due to Prometheus?
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Post by: Heretic on June 11, 2012, 10:27:08 AM
Done, well that was basically Jaws in outer space. It was fun but had none of the depth of Prometheus.
I'm glad Hollywood finally knows that we understand when you send one of the crew to do something alone it means you're getting him killed, the original Alien movie was a reminder of this predictable dilemma.

You do realize that Alien is universally recognized as one of the greatest works in horror/Sci-fi, right? And that Prometheus will be forgotten in a very short amount of time?

Haha, there's no way Prometheus will be forgotten in a short amount of time. It's a fairly original and fresh sci-fi movie in a time where many sci-fi movies all fall to the same cliches; that's one of the biggest praises it has gotten so far. It's also a good addition to the Alien universe and opens up the door for more, which is awesome. I didn't like Alien 3 at all (neither did a lot of people), but it still gets talked about because of its ties into the Alien universe... Prometheus won't be forgotten, and I feel like in time people will love it even more. Alien got a lot of terrible reviews and comments when it first came out.

@Bosk, I would have preferred the DNA to be a tad different as well. Seeing as the xenomorph at the end was a tad different than the ones that come out of humans, it should mean the genetic makeup is a tad different, but... maybe that will be explained with a sequel.

Also, Scott confirmed that the "2000 years" reference in the movie (among all of the other Christian allegories) was intentional; read about it here: https://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Zantera on June 11, 2012, 10:53:09 AM
I wouldn't go as far as saying that Prometheus will forgotten, but I don't see it getting the same status that Alien or Aliens has.
Personally I quite like Alien 3 though, while it has some issues (like how noticeable it is with the rewrites), I still loved it how they didn't have any weapons in the movie, so it was certainly more back to horror than action. Resurrection is not really what I would call a "good" movie, but I enjoy it. It's a movie I can watch casually and enjoy, without being blown away.

Apart from Weyland Corporation and the Xenomorph at the end, Prometheus really doesn't qualify as an Alien prequel to me. It takes place in the same universe, but very little of what happens in Prometheus is important as for what happens in the Alien-movies. Just some cool and fun easter eggs here and there, like the big painting of a Xenomorph.
While I think Prometheus was a great movie (despite some plotholes), it doesn't really bring much new to the table. It's certainly one of the better sci-fi's I've seen lately, but I would rank it below the first 3 Alien movies.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2012, 10:58:07 AM
Also, Scott confirmed that the "2000 years" reference in the movie (among all of the other Christian allegories) was intentional; read about it here: https://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

Wow, even if this guy is wrong about a good many things, that is an EXCELLENT analysis.  Oh, and:

Quote
With the surviving cast now down to Vickers and Shaw, we witness Vickers's rather silly death as the Engineer ship rolls over and crushes her, due to a sudden inability on her part to run sideways. Perhaps that's the point; perhaps the film is saying her view is blinkered, and ultimately that kills her. But I doubt it. Sometimes a daft death is just a daft death.

:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 11, 2012, 11:05:22 AM
I can take that you all seems to be triggered by the plot and the movie in general and find that original(?), i can accept that....but how can you not acknowledge or take so lightly on how bad some of the characters and the script were? Those parts alone will not be remembered......well i truly hope not! :|
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on June 11, 2012, 11:09:41 AM
Apart from Weyland Corporation and the Xenomorph at the end, Prometheus really doesn't qualify as an Alien prequel to me. It takes place in the same universe, but very little of what happens in Prometheus is important as for what happens in the Alien-movies. Just some cool and fun easter eggs here and there, like the big painting of a Xenomorph.
While I think Prometheus was a great movie (despite some plotholes), it doesn't really bring much new to the table. It's certainly one of the better sci-fi's I've seen lately, but I would rank it below the first 3 Alien movies.

that is basically the point though..it started out as a direct prequel but transformed into its own film with different ideas.  I thought the ending events were meant to lead into Alien but then i realized the two films arent even on the same planet, so that separates the films even more.

Again, i would read the article that Heretic and I posted, really helps to explain a lot of the backstory and references throughout.
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Post by: Zantera on June 11, 2012, 11:34:22 AM
I think that's one of the negative things about the movie, how noticeable it was that it started out as a prequel and was changed into something else.
And also I read that article, some interesting stuff in it.
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Post by: Heretic on June 11, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
I'd rank Prometheus just below Alien, actually, I enjoyed it that much. Aliens is awesome too, though.

I feel like the fact that it became its own movie is a good thing, because as much as fans would eat up a direct prequel to Alien, Prometheus opened up the window for even more things to be discovered and stories to be told. I do think it succeeded in many regards.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2012, 11:47:44 AM
I think that's one of the negative things about the movie, how noticeable it was that it started out as a prequel and was changed into something else.

It really IS a prequel though, isn't it?  I mean, plot-wise, it may not directly tie right into the events on the Nostromo.  But it is clearly an origins story that sets up humanity's interaction with the Engineers and xenomorphs, and the Company's involvement in the whole mess.  To me, that qualifies, as it clearly provides the underpinnings for the entire Alien series.  Yeah, it can stand alone and you can enjoy it without ever having seen a single Alien film.  But a good prequel should have the ability to stand on its own.
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Post by: Zantera on June 11, 2012, 11:50:23 AM
Well, I agree that it's good that they didn't make it an Alien 0.5, but instead "its own" movie as you said, what I meant was that it started out as a prequel but they changed it so it wouldn't be, and I think it would have been even better if they hadn't changed a lot of stuff in the middle of it. Scott only has himself to blame because as soon as people started asking about the project and he said that would be a prequel to Alien, then he had opened the box. There was no way of closing it after that, and it was easy to see in every interview with him after that how he slowly wanted to turn focus away from the Alien-movies and give the movie some space to be something else, but by then people already expected Aliens and other stuff.

I agree that it opened up possibilities and questions to be answered in a possible sequel. What exactly happened at the Engineer-station before Prometheus got there? Did the engineers manage to create/encounter the Xenomorph before? (we have the painting after all), and what happened with Dr. Shaw eventually? I'm not sure how they would take the whole Black Liquid-part further, to me that was much less interesting than the Alien in the original movies.

It was great that we finally got to see more about the Space Jockeys and learn more about them. Scott said himself that it was one of the big mysteries of the first Alien, and he is right. One problem for me is that I was much more interested in the Alien-aspect of it. The Space Jockey was fascinating, but what did they use the Xenomorphs for? The origin of the Xenomorphs and so on, there was a lot of focus on this in the early draft of the movie, but it was apparently scrapped completely.
I don't really care much about the philosophical aspects of Prometheus. "How was life created on earth?" and similar questions, I don't really find that aspect of the movie to be very fascinating, I just want to see a good sci-fi movie really.
So my thoughts on Prometheus can be summed up that I really liked the movie, and thought it worked well on it's own, and I would be excited about a sequel.

Still, being the huge Alien-fan I am, it's still disappointing that some mysteries probably never will be solved. Apart from the origins of the Xenomorph, I was always very fascinated by the signal they received in the first Alien. Who left it there? Did anyone else encounter the ship/eggs before, and what happened? In the end I would say that Prometheus succeeded in being a good movie on its own, but didn't succeed at being related to the Alien-movies. As far as I'm concerned they could have left out Weyland Corp and the Xenomorph all together, but if they would have done that, then probably about half (or more) of the profits would have been gone. :P
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: DeanTheater on June 11, 2012, 01:39:54 PM
Well, I agree that it's good that they didn't make it an Alien 0.5, but instead "its own" movie as you said, what I meant was that it started out as a prequel but they changed it so it wouldn't be, and I think it would have been even better if they hadn't changed a lot of stuff in the middle of it. Scott only has himself to blame because as soon as people started asking about the project and he said that would be a prequel to Alien, then he had opened the box. There was no way of closing it after that, and it was easy to see in every interview with him after that how he slowly wanted to turn focus away from the Alien-movies and give the movie some space to be something else, but by then people already expected Aliens and other stuff.

I agree that it opened up possibilities and questions to be answered in a possible sequel. What exactly happened at the Engineer-station before Prometheus got there? Did the engineers manage to create/encounter the Xenomorph before? (we have the painting after all), and what happened with Dr. Shaw eventually? I'm not sure how they would take the whole Black Liquid-part further, to me that was much less interesting than the Alien in the original movies.

It was great that we finally got to see more about the Space Jockeys and learn more about them. Scott said himself that it was one of the big mysteries of the first Alien, and he is right. One problem for me is that I was much more interested in the Alien-aspect of it. The Space Jockey was fascinating, but what did they use the Xenomorphs for? The origin of the Xenomorphs and so on, there was a lot of focus on this in the early draft of the movie, but it was apparently scrapped completely.
I don't really care much about the philosophical aspects of Prometheus. "How was life created on earth?" and similar questions, I don't really find that aspect of the movie to be very fascinating, I just want to see a good sci-fi movie really.
So my thoughts on Prometheus can be summed up that I really liked the movie, and thought it worked well on it's own, and I would be excited about a sequel.

Still, being the huge Alien-fan I am, it's still disappointing that some mysteries probably never will be solved. Apart from the origins of the Xenomorph, I was always very fascinated by the signal they received in the first Alien. Who left it there? Did anyone else encounter the ship/eggs before, and what happened? In the end I would say that Prometheus succeeded in being a good movie on its own, but didn't succeed at being related to the Alien-movies. As far as I'm concerned they could have left out Weyland Corp and the Xenomorph all together, but if they would have done that, then probably about half (or more) of the profits would have been gone. :P


first off, I agree with Bosk on that Bloggers analysis about the underlying mythology.  pretty cool. 

I just saw the movie last nite and I have a couple of takes:


I dont want to sound like Mr. Obvious but..............The planetoid in Prometheus was labeled LV223 which is a different site than what the crew Nostromo, and later the colony in Aliens were located.  They were on LV426 correct? 

also, the engineer with the larger chest buster was not the space jockey from the original alien, as he was in the pilot seat.  correct?  so, if this is true, then a further sequel will put that together?  If I am off base clue me in please.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Zantera on June 11, 2012, 01:42:41 PM
Yeah you're correct on both points. Different planet, different engineer. If there is a Prometheus 2, it might lead into Alien, but seeing as Scott said that a possible sequel would go even further away from Alien, then I fear that a sequel might go into the "origins of life" completely, and have even less horror to it.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2012, 01:44:34 PM
I dont want to sound like Mr. Obvious but..............The planetoid in Prometheus was labeled LV223 which is a different site than what the crew Nostromo, and later the colony in Aliens were located.  They were on LV426 correct? 

Correct.

also, the engineer with the larger chest buster was not the space jockey from the original alien, as he was in the pilot seat.  correct? 

Correct.

so, if this is true, then a further sequel will put that together?  If I am off base clue me in please.

Not necessarily.  I don't know that Scott is interesting in making such a direct link between the two stories.  He may be, but I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: DeanTheater on June 11, 2012, 01:47:33 PM
I dont want to sound like Mr. Obvious but..............The planetoid in Prometheus was labeled LV223 which is a different site than what the crew Nostromo, and later the colony in Aliens were located.  They were on LV426 correct? 

Correct.

also, the engineer with the larger chest buster was not the space jockey from the original alien, as he was in the pilot seat.  correct? 

Correct.

so, if this is true, then a further sequel will put that together?  If I am off base clue me in please.

Not necessarily.  I don't know that Scott is interesting in making such a direct link between the two stories.  He may be, but I'm not so sure.


Cameron perhaps................lol j/k
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Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2012, 01:47:57 PM
:rollin
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 11, 2012, 01:53:10 PM
Prometheus - Prometheuses - Prometheus 3 - Prometheus ReErection
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2012, 02:47:06 PM
Also, Scott confirmed that the "2000 years" reference in the movie (among all of the other Christian allegories) was intentional; read about it here: https://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

I think it's pretty obvious there is going to be a sequel (or two).  And I was thinking that, whatever happens, Shaw will NOT survive because you basically can't really have any survivors coming back to earth, or else it messes up the Alien series.  So I got thinking about the article above and, while this is certainly not a groundbreaking revelation, I think I may have quite possibly figured out how Shaw is eventually going to die.  And if true, this will probably be THE major plot point to tie up the whole Prometheus series, once we're done with it.  So...this isn't really a spoiler since it is just speculation, but don't read any further if you don't want to go down this path and potentially figure out where the sequel(s) may ultimately be heading.

Okay, now that the disclaimers are out of the way...If the speculation in that article is correct, one of the major themes of the entire series will be sacrificing one's life for the benefit of life as a whole.  That is why humanity became such an anathema to the Engineers.  If that's true (and I think it is), Shaw falls on the wrong side of that theme.  As David even put it after she had had the squid baby removed, she has "quite the survival instinct."  This would mean that she has not yet reached her true turning point in terms of character development.  So when she ultimately shows up on the Engineer homeworld, I'm sure she will set off a chain of events that will make them all want to destroy humanity, just as the Engineer they woke up in Prometheus tried to do.  So, how do we stop that from happening and complete Shaw's character arc?  She ultimately willingly sacrifices herself for humanity.  I'm sure this will be the case.  And then the Engineers will surely react to that and decide that humans aren't completely depraved and selfish after all (although we are screwed up enough that the Engineers will likely keep their distance), and so they won't need to destroy us.  And I wouldn't put it past Scott to have her give birth to some life form as part of her willing, sacrificial death.  That would kind of bring the mythology full circle while also establishing her as sort of a combination Christ figure and Prometheus figure.  My best guess is that we will see something like this happen. 

Now if only other characters don't suddenly also forget how to run sideways...
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 11, 2012, 05:13:16 PM
Prometheus - Prometheuses - Prometheus 3 - Prometheus ReErection

   Don't forget the one everyone's waiting for...     Prometheus vs. Predator  :P
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 11, 2012, 05:13:36 PM
Sounds good to me. I would agree that that direction would be appropriate. Prometheus seems to focus on how destructive and ignorant humans can be. While that is a bit one sided, if Shaw represents humanity as a whole in the scheme of the story, her eventual selflessness would obviously illustrate the other half of our potential and hopefully give us something to ponder, perhaps to inspire.
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Post by: DeanTheater on June 11, 2012, 08:13:05 PM
This mural pic of a Xeno looks oddly like the crucifixion scene.................kinda goes along with that christianity theme from that blogger and maybe there is some anger with the death of J.C.  interesting

https://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/140 (https://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/140)



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Post by: Heretic on June 11, 2012, 09:46:23 PM
Two new theories I've seen brought up:

1- The Engineer at the beginning of the movie. What if originally there were a group of Engineers who wanted to create life and share creation with other worlds, yet other Engineers were against the idea of creating other life (perhaps they believed they were already perfect or something along those lines). The beings depicted in the cave paintings and hieroglyphics and carvings could possibly be these Engineers checking up on humanity throughout time. They left clues on how to find them because at the point, the Engineers weren't hostile towards life (at least, most of them.)  I guess we could then determine that 2000 years before Prometheus, there was a schism, and the Engineers divided... the Engineers who were against life began engineering a bio-weapon to destroy humans, while the others fought back. The bio-weapon got out of hand, and bam, Engineers are mainly wiped out.

2- What if the black goo is an extract from the Xenomorph creatures? Some sort of DNA or perhaps the same kind of substance that creates Queens. Perhaps the Engineers extracted this from the Xenomorphs. This would explain why there were already murals and carvings of the Xenomorph, the facehugger, and so on already on the underground ship. That doesn't explain how the Xenomorphs were created, but it seems unlikely that the black goo created the first alien... I'm guessing since it could be an extract of Xenomorph DNA or something along those lines, that whenever it infects someone, it eventually re-creates the Xenomorph (i.e. goo, pregnant Shaw, squid-facehugger-creature, Engineer-bursted hybrid Xenomorph) albeit in a different way depending on the host.

What say you? Just some interesting speculation.
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 11, 2012, 10:43:06 PM
This mural pic of a Xeno looks oddly like the crucifixion scene.................kinda goes along with that christianity theme from that blogger and maybe there is some anger with the death of J.C.  interesting

The crucifixion along with the blasphemous mocking of the virgin birth firmly tell us where Mr. Scott stands on the issue of Christianity.

I guess we could then determine that 2000 years before Prometheus, there was a schism, and the Engineers divided... the Engineers who were against life began engineering a bio-weapon to destroy humans, while the others fought back. The bio-weapon got out of hand, and bam, Engineers are mainly wiped out.

Interesting. Certainly sounds like a parallel for humans.

it seems unlikely that the black goo created the first alien...


Yeah, it wouldn't make much sense since we know that a chestburster came out of the space jockey on LV-246, which occurred long before the events of Prometheus. 
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Post by: Sigz on June 12, 2012, 12:04:10 AM
You know, that's the thing I never understood about stupid deaths like Vickers'. Yeah, it was silly, but I have a hard time imagining anyone else reacting rationally when a multi-kilometer diameter donut is about to roll over them*.

*this applies to many characters' situations in many different movies
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Post by: Progmetty on June 12, 2012, 06:26:32 AM
Watching the 1986 sequel, in the 80's the soldiers in Hollywood were always rebellious and rarely obeyed or respected command, 80's movies army soldiers behaved like 00's movies mercenaries.
I'm liking that movie so far, the guy from Mad About You is in it but it's okay heh
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Post by: Dream Team on June 12, 2012, 07:02:01 AM
Also, Scott confirmed that the "2000 years" reference in the movie (among all of the other Christian allegories) was intentional; read about it here: https://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

I think it's pretty obvious there is going to be a sequel (or two).  And I was thinking that, whatever happens, Shaw will NOT survive because you basically can't really have any survivors coming back to earth, or else it messes up the Alien series.  So I got thinking about the article above and, while this is certainly not a groundbreaking revelation, I think I may have quite possibly figured out how Shaw is eventually going to die.  And if true, this will probably be THE major plot point to tie up the whole Prometheus series, once we're done with it.  So...this isn't really a spoiler since it is just speculation, but don't read any further if you don't want to go down this path and potentially figure out where the sequel(s) may ultimately be heading.

Okay, now that the disclaimers are out of the way...If the speculation in that article is correct, one of the major themes of the entire series will be sacrificing one's life for the benefit of life as a whole.  That is why humanity became such an anathema to the Engineers.  If that's true (and I think it is), Shaw falls on the wrong side of that theme.  As David even put it after she had had the squid baby removed, she has "quite the survival instinct."  This would mean that she has not yet reached her true turning point in terms of character development.  So when she ultimately shows up on the Engineer homeworld, I'm sure she will set off a chain of events that will make them all want to destroy humanity, just as the Engineer they woke up in Prometheus tried to do.  So, how do we stop that from happening and complete Shaw's character arc?  She ultimately willingly sacrifices herself for humanity.  I'm sure this will be the case.  And then the Engineers will surely react to that and decide that humans aren't completely depraved and selfish after all (although we are screwed up enough that the Engineers will likely keep their distance), and so they won't need to destroy us.  And I wouldn't put it past Scott to have her give birth to some life form as part of her willing, sacrificial death.  That would kind of bring the mythology full circle while also establishing her as sort of a combination Christ figure and Prometheus figure.  My best guess is that we will see something like this happen. 

Now if only other characters don't suddenly also forget how to run sideways...

Too bad this was already beautifully and poignantly done by Ripley in Alien 3. She even had the crucifixion pose going.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Dream Team on June 12, 2012, 07:04:28 AM
Watching the 1986 sequel, in the 80's the soldiers in Hollywood were always rebellious and rarely obeyed or respected command, 80's movies army soldiers behaved like 00's movies mercenaries.
I'm liking that movie so far, the guy from Mad About You is in it but it's okay heh

Burke is one of the greatest slimeballs of all time. So many great characters in this movie.

Weaver's oscar nomination for this role in this type of movie remains unique and unprecedented. She was/is awesome.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 12, 2012, 07:43:50 AM
"They cut the power..", "What do you mean they cut the power man? they're animals!"
That's where I'm at, it's weird that the humans in the movie don't yet understand that these aliens can think.
Breakfast break is done! back to the movie  ;D
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Post by: Zantera on June 12, 2012, 07:54:36 AM
My favorite line in Aliens is this scene: (not 100% sure on the phrasing)

Burke: "Wait a minute, are you really considering blowing up the whole facility? it's worth millions!"
Ripley: "They can bill me"

 :lol
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Post by: Progmetty on June 12, 2012, 08:57:04 AM
:lol
Well starting 3, David Fincher is my favorite director ever and that's the only movie I had never seen by him, basically cause he said he didn't like it or had no control over the final product or something.
It's depressing getting out of that relatively peaceful ending of Aliens to directly finding out that Hicks and the little girl died in 3.
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 12, 2012, 09:34:13 AM
To quote Fincher himself "it's an intergalactic snuff film". It's certainly at least tonally what he was going for.
Despite it's flaws, I am probably one of the biggest Alien 3 fans there is.
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Post by: Zantera on June 12, 2012, 12:15:39 PM
I really like Alien 3. I think the fact that they don't have any weapons on the planet makes it more scary, if they encounter the alien then what should they do? It's certainly more of a horror movie than Aliens was.
Also, a lot of people point out the fact that they decided to change the ending of Aliens, but if you're a total geek like me, the last seconds of Aliens (after the credits) has an interesting sound. ;) I can't remember if the sound is in the regular version as well, but it's certainly there in the extended version. Anyhow, the sound is either an egg hatching, or the sound of the queen laying eggs, it's up for discussion I guess.

Also, it looks like Prometheus is getting an additional 30 minutes for the DVD/BluRay release. Awesome. :)
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Post by: DeanTheater on June 12, 2012, 12:34:48 PM

Also, it looks like Prometheus is getting an additional 30 minutes for the DVD/BluRay release. Awesome. :)


 :tup
Well, I am pretty psyched to hear this.  I feel there will be some more insight in the additional footage that may answer some of our questions.
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Post by: Zantera on June 12, 2012, 12:37:21 PM
Yes totally. I love extended versions. I can't think of an example where I haven't enjoyed the extended version over the normal, and in many cases (like with Aliens) I can't watch the normal version, it has to be the extended. :P
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 12, 2012, 01:45:11 PM
I really like Alien 3. I think the fact that they don't have any weapons on the planet makes it more scary, if they encounter the alien then what should they do? It's certainly more of a horror movie than Aliens was.
Also, a lot of people point out the fact that they decided to change the ending of Aliens, but if you're a total geek like me, the last seconds of Aliens (after the credits) has an interesting sound. ;) I can't remember if the sound is in the regular version as well, but it's certainly there in the extended version. Anyhow, the sound is either an egg hatching, or the sound of the queen laying eggs, it's up for discussion I guess.

Also, it looks like Prometheus is getting an additional 30 minutes for the DVD/BluRay release. Awesome. :)

If that's true then my head would explode. I've never noticed it.
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Post by: jcmistat on June 12, 2012, 02:29:44 PM
30 minutes extra should wrap up some unknown things or just be more of a mindfuck. Either way I can't wait to watch this again.
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Post by: dedSurroun on June 12, 2012, 03:12:52 PM
I liked it. Started great, had an okay middle, but the end just...fell apart.

Still, pretty good. Enjoyable.

It certainly made me curious about what's next and about Weyland, et al.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 12, 2012, 03:39:27 PM
Watching the film, it just felt like 30 minutes was missing anyway.

     I definitely will be anticipating the extended edition.
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Post by: Implode on June 12, 2012, 07:14:07 PM
I didn't see the movie, but this video was entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0
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Post by: Phoenix87x on June 12, 2012, 07:24:37 PM
I didn't see the movie, but this video was entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

I love Red Letter Media.

This one has had me laughing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3BV2u8YWps
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Post by: Progmetty on June 12, 2012, 07:33:36 PM
"Is David a secret asshole?" :lol
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 12, 2012, 11:16:03 PM
Watching the 1986 sequel, in the 80's the soldiers in Hollywood were always rebellious and rarely obeyed or respected command, 80's movies army soldiers behaved like 00's movies mercenaries.
I'm liking that movie so far, the guy from Mad About You is in it but it's okay heh
Aliens is one of the greatest movies ever.

I could watch it a 1000 times and never get bored.

Also, it looks like Prometheus is getting an additional 30 minutes for the DVD/BluRay release. Awesome. :)
Not surprised.

I'm looking forward to this.
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Post by: Progmetty on June 13, 2012, 02:49:31 PM
Finished the third movie, the last 15 minutes made that movie.
I also have the special edition version of it, it says it has a lot of alternate scenes so I'll give it a run.
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Post by: TVC 15 on June 13, 2012, 03:39:39 PM
Hey, Easter Egg junkies:  here's a piece from The Atlantic that breaks down all other influences on Prometheus.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/decoding-the-cultural-influences-in-prometheus-from-lovecraft-to-halo/258357/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/decoding-the-cultural-influences-in-prometheus-from-lovecraft-to-halo/258357/)
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Post by: Zantera on June 13, 2012, 03:40:25 PM
Finished the third movie, the last 15 minutes made that movie.
I also have the special edition version of it, it says it has a lot of alternate scenes so I'll give it a run.

I must say that it's really interesting to hear someone going through the movies for the first time, it's quite rare seeing as Alien and Aliens are among the classic movies that most people have seen. So it's quite cool to see someone seeing them for the first time. :P
Will you be watching Resurrection next?
Then you also have Alien VS Predator (and the sequel) if you want something fun.  :lol
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Post by: Sigz on June 13, 2012, 03:57:53 PM
Hey, Easter Egg junkies:  here's a piece from The Atlantic that breaks down all other influences on Prometheus.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/decoding-the-cultural-influences-in-prometheus-from-lovecraft-to-halo/258357/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/decoding-the-cultural-influences-in-prometheus-from-lovecraft-to-halo/258357/)


Quote
Guillermo del Toro had planned to film At the Mountains of Madness in 3D (starring Tom Cruise and with James Cameron producing), but recently abandoned the project when he learned about the plotline of Prometheus—claiming that the stories were too similar.

God fucking DAMMIT. I was really looking forward to that.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 13, 2012, 04:02:15 PM
Hey, Easter Egg junkies:  here's a piece from The Atlantic that breaks down all other influences on Prometheus.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/decoding-the-cultural-influences-in-prometheus-from-lovecraft-to-halo/258357/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/decoding-the-cultural-influences-in-prometheus-from-lovecraft-to-halo/258357/)

Some of those are REALLY a stretch.
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 13, 2012, 04:39:08 PM
Finished the third movie, the last 15 minutes made that movie.
I also have the special edition version of it, it says it has a lot of alternate scenes so I'll give it a run.

I must say that it's really interesting to hear someone going through the movies for the first time, it's quite rare seeing as Alien and Aliens are among the classic movies that most people have seen. So it's quite cool to see someone seeing them for the first time. :P
Will you be watching Resurrection next?
Then you also have Alien VS Predator (and the sequel) if you want something fun.  :lol

I actually prefer AVP to Resurrection. Not seen AVP:R though.

Fun fact : Every Alien film has made more than the previous one apart from AVP:R. Prometheus looks like it will make the most.
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Post by: mrjazzguitar on June 13, 2012, 09:03:09 PM
damn how did so many of you like this movie? I thought it was fucking ridiculous, in a bad way.
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 13, 2012, 10:10:26 PM
I don't know. Maybe you watched it upside down?
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Post by: Progmetty on June 14, 2012, 12:51:52 AM
I must say that it's really interesting to hear someone going through the movies for the first time, it's quite rare seeing as Alien and Aliens are among the classic movies that most people have seen. So it's quite cool to see someone seeing them for the first time. :P
Will you be watching Resurrection next?
Then you also have Alien VS Predator (and the sequel) if you want something fun.  :lol

I actually always wanted to watch the Alien franchise just never got around to it, same deal with Star Wars  :blush
Yes I will be watching Resurrection next, Weaver is on the cover and I'm curious to know how they bring her back after the ending of the third movie, I'm thinking droid or clone, they can't try to tell me she survived that jump.
But I haven't finished the alternate "assembly" version of 3 yet, so far more interesting and less chaotic than the first 30 minutes of the original version.
I thought Resurrection would be the last one and that the AVP movies are unrelated and kinda cheesy like the Freddy  VS. Jason thing :lol Do they contribute to the concept of the Alien franchise? Are they fun anyway?
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Post by: lateralus88 on June 14, 2012, 12:57:05 AM
Finished the third movie, the last 15 minutes made that movie.
I also have the special edition version of it, it says it has a lot of alternate scenes so I'll give it a run.
Will you be watching Resurrection next?
What kind of human being would even suggest something like that?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Zantera on June 14, 2012, 02:34:34 AM
I must say that it's really interesting to hear someone going through the movies for the first time, it's quite rare seeing as Alien and Aliens are among the classic movies that most people have seen. So it's quite cool to see someone seeing them for the first time. :P
Will you be watching Resurrection next?
Then you also have Alien VS Predator (and the sequel) if you want something fun.  :lol

I actually always wanted to watch the Alien franchise just never got around to it, same deal with Star Wars  :blush
Yes I will be watching Resurrection next, Weaver is on the cover and I'm curious to know how they bring her back after the ending of the third movie, I'm thinking droid or clone, they can't try to tell me she survived that jump.
But I haven't finished the alternate "assembly" version of 3 yet, so far more interesting and less chaotic than the first 30 minutes of the original version.
I thought Resurrection would be the last one and that the AVP movies are unrelated and kinda cheesy like the Freddy  VS. Jason thing :lol Do they contribute to the concept of the Alien franchise? Are they fun anyway?

Well, if you ask Scott or Cameron, they would probably say that the AVP-movies are the worst ones ever made.  :lol While I don't think they qualify as what you would call "good" movies, they still have a bit of a charm if you like the Alien and the Predator franchises. Henriksen appears as Bishop in the first one again, so it's kind of a nice welcome. There's also some scenes in both that gives a bit more insight on the whole Weyland/Yutani Corp, one scene in particular is in the second AVP-movie.
Otherwise it's just pretty straightforward action, by the time the movie came out I was already quite into both the Alien and Predator movies, so I saw it for fun. So it's good for that I guess. :P
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Post by: Dream Team on June 14, 2012, 07:40:46 AM
I must say that it's really interesting to hear someone going through the movies for the first time, it's quite rare seeing as Alien and Aliens are among the classic movies that most people have seen. So it's quite cool to see someone seeing them for the first time. :P
Will you be watching Resurrection next?
Then you also have Alien VS Predator (and the sequel) if you want something fun.  :lol

I actually always wanted to watch the Alien franchise just never got around to it, same deal with Star Wars  :blush
Yes I will be watching Resurrection next, Weaver is on the cover and I'm curious to know how they bring her back after the ending of the third movie, I'm thinking droid or clone, they can't try to tell me she survived that jump.
But I haven't finished the alternate "assembly" version of 3 yet, so far more interesting and less chaotic than the first 30 minutes of the original version.
I thought Resurrection would be the last one and that the AVP movies are unrelated and kinda cheesy like the Freddy  VS. Jason thing :lol Do they contribute to the concept of the Alien franchise? Are they fun anyway?

Well, like I say on the Alien boards, A:R and AVP both had a lot of great ideas/concepts but many were poorly executed. A major problem is the creature design itself which has gone steadily downhill since Giger's creation, from a psychosexual biomechanical nightmare to a generic raptor/monster wannabe. The Alien was always most effective when in the shadows, in silhouette, only partially seen, mysterious; but they started showing way too much.

AVPR is a complete mess made by a couple of hacks, but the Predator is pretty awesome in that movie.

Edit: Sigourney Weaver is as awesome as ever in A:R, and is the only compelling reason to watch.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 14, 2012, 09:58:43 AM
Aliens 3, Fans 0
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 14, 2012, 10:21:08 AM
Do they contribute to the concept of the Alien franchise? Are they fun anyway?

The first one is entertaining. Requiem is painful though.

Well, if you ask Scott or Cameron, they would probably say that the AVP-movies are the worst ones ever made.

Everyone makes this assumption, and it's completely wrong. Cameron has stated that he liked AVP and ranks it behind Alien and Aliens as the third best in the franchise.

Quote
QUINT: I remember before Paul W.S. Anderson did ALIEN VS PREDATOR it came out that you kind of made an offer to do another ALIEN film with Ridley Scott...

JAMES CAMERON: Yeah. Ridley and I talked about doing another ALIEN film and I said to 20th Century Fox that I would develop a 5th ALIEN film. I started working on a story, I was working with another writer and Fox came back to me and said, "We've got this really good script for ALIEN VS PREDATOR and I got pretty upset. I said, "You do that you're going to kill the validity of the franchise in my mind." Because to me, that was FRANKENSTEIN MEETS WEREWOLF. It was Universal just taking their assets and starting to play them off against each other.

QUINT: Milking it, totally.

JAMES CAMERON: Milking it. So, I stopped work. Then I saw ALIEN VS PREDATOR and it was actually pretty good. (laughs) I think of the 5 ALIEN films, I'd rate it 3rd.

QUINT: Ummm...

JAMES CAMERON: I actually liked it. I actually liked it a lot.

QUINT: You know, I hate it when movies don't abide by the continuity of their series...

JAMES CAMERON: When they make up their own rules.

QUINT: Exactly. They did that a lot with the alien incubation time, where from egg to chestbuster it happened...

JAMES CAMERON: In minutes, yeah...

QUINT: That kind of stuff really pissed me off with the movie...

JAMES CAMERON: Well, it starts to become a video game. It's like, "Okay, that can be in him and that can show up over here..." It becomes more metaphorical or more comic book. I don't mean comic book in a negative way, I just mean that it's working at a kind of mythic, metaphoric level as opposed to really trying to immerse you in reality.
I mean, I felt when I was making ALIENS I think the same thing Ridley was doing with ALIEN, which is... "I'm going to make you think this is real." Even though it is completely ridiculous deep space adventure. We were going to make you feel like it's real. It's a question of does the film take itself seriously or not.
KRAKEN: So you still thinking about doing something with it?

JAMES CAMERON: No.

KRAKEN: If we promised you our first babies would you think about doing anything with it?

JAMES CAMERON: (laughs) Well, the other thing I've learned is that when you deal with a studio and it's their asset... it's their asset.

Stuff like this is him just pandering to nerds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnS7CGWNmU
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 14, 2012, 10:37:53 AM
Interesting.  I didn't know that.  But, yeah, the problem with the two AvP movies wasn't that it was "Aliens meet Predators" just for the sake of milking two fanchises.  The Dark Horse Comics AvP series in the '90s created a viable AvP scenario that there was actually a large fan demand for.  The problem was simply the execution of the series (like the stuff Quint and Cameron talk about in that Q&A).  The storylines themselves were actually pretty good.  In fact, I'll take it a step further and say the storylines for the entire Alien franchise have been pretty good.  Unfortunately, they just created too many problems of continuity, plot holes, and moments of silliness from A3 onward that dragged the series down.  I mean, AvP and, even moreso, AvP:R finally dealt with the looming, terrifying issue of, "what would happen if these things ever got loose on earth?"  And both of them could have done that amazingly, but just fell flat in the execution.  In fact, IMO, Prometheus even suffered a bit because of that.  It's obvious from the trailer that whatever the crew of the Prometheus finds, it is going to pose a threat to earth and to humanity as a whole.  And, yet, I never felt myself feeling that sense of dread throughout the movie that I should have felt about the prospect of aliens or some other black virus created horror being unleashed on earth.  Why?  I think because the AvP movies already pretty much dealt with that and kind of screwed it up, so it was difficult for me to really immerse myself enough in the movie's whole "thread to humanity" theme.  I guess I just never really bought that humanity was in serious danger as much as a movie in the Alien franchise should have been able to make me buy into that idea.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 14, 2012, 01:36:53 PM
By the way, I haven't seen anyone discussing it, but any thoughts on some of the "easter egg" stuff on the Weyland Industries mock website?  https://www.weylandindustries.com/timeline
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Heretic on June 14, 2012, 04:50:54 PM
I like how in one of the memos you can download from that site, they state that Weyland needs to contact Elizabeth Shaw before Yutani can invest in her. I guess some time after Prometheus, Weyland and Yutani went from rival corporations to one big one...

Anyways, lots of interesting stuff on that site. I like how excited and sure Weyland was that the Prometheus expedition would be a success for both Weyland and mankind.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: TVC 15 on June 14, 2012, 05:19:44 PM
I may now have to really check out Weyland's TED speech to find more context about what's going on in his head.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: The Dark Master on June 14, 2012, 10:17:34 PM
So I've seen the movie a couple times now, and I really like it.  I will probably come back to this thread later for a more comprehensive post of my view of the movie, but for right now all I can really say is that, taken for what it is, the film is damn impressive.  It's really a hard sci-fi movie, the likes of which hasn't been seen in the mainstream for quite a while, with a meaty, complicated plot that leaves you thinking after the film.  I do strongly feel that the film should be seen at least twice, because many of the so-called plot holes that a lot of people online are bitching about are actually filled in throughout the course of the film, but they are easy to miss upon first viewing if you do not know to look for them.

Overall, great fucking flick.  Go see it.  Twice, if possible.   :metal
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 14, 2012, 10:18:28 PM
I didn't like this movie.

SPOILERS




Here's the thing that I think matters.  Not every movie has to be life-affirmingly and heart-warmingly entertaining.  Movies can explore the dark side of existence, and it's a good thing that we have movies to do this.  But when a movie does this, it has to be one of two things (preferably both):

1.  Smart
2.  Well done

Prometheus definitely wasn't that smart.  Obviously, the Red Letter Media video points out the ubiquity of the plot holes in this movie.  But more importantly the movie fails fundamentally to be a movie. 

I understand that they wanted this movie to be the start of a franchise.  That's unfortunate but also the reality of the movie business.  But do it right.  In the first Sherlock Holmes movie, even though the Moriarty thing was laid in for the next movie, we still got to see the answer to how the one guy was doing what appeared to be magical.  The dramatic question of the movie was answered.

With Prometheus, the central question of the movie was "Why were humans made?"  And the question wasn't answered.  On purpose.  So in a sense the whole point of the movie was just to set up the next movie.  This isn't a TV show though.  A movie's supposed to work as a self-contained experience.

Also, as an exploration of faith, meaning, and whatever, it's basically useless.  Nothing that happens means anything relative to the human experience.

I know it's not a movie, but Oz is an excellent example of a TV show that successfully goes to dark places in part because it goes to those dark places to explore and comment on pretty heady ideas.  This can be done.  Prometheus just fails at it.

So is the movie well done?  Well.... not really.

To be complimentary - the atmosphere of the movie is incredible.  The opening title sequence had me riveted.  And I loved the thing where the alien sacrificed himself as the UFO floated away.  It was mysterious and interesting.

But when it was time to pay that off, it didn't really do it.  I loved the central idea of the movie, that the beings that created us would want to destroy us.  But it never really worked with it.  There was stuff with alien tentacle monsters and some old guy or whatever that was a distraction.  I thought, based on the previews, that there was going to be some kind of deliberate thing happening.  Like the aliens purposefully conspired to bring the humans to this location for some reason.  And really, what I was given instead was less interesting.  Like, there's the scene where the engineer is about to fly to Earth in order to wipe us out.  But, he just happened to have been awoken so he could do this.  It wasn't interesting in the context of the other events.  It just happened.  There were penis monsters or whatever.  But they were basically their own thing that just wantonly killed people.

I feel like something was wrong with every scene.  Like, why did the one guy come back as a zombie except to kill more people.  It was repulsive and gruesome, but not really scary on any kind of deep level.  It actually diminished the tragedy of the scene where he was killed, because it felt like the filmmakers were saying "let's take one of the most important characters in the movie and degrade him into a zombie monster we use to pad the movie's running length."

The abortion scene was the best scene in the movie because it was horrifying in a specific way.  It was desperate.  It was claustrophobic.  It was viscerally and mentally awful to even think about.  Things were happening.

I don't hate this movie.  Within the limitations of what it is, it's well executed.  It's a genuine attempt to do something, which is more than what can be said for a lot of movies.  But I didn't like it.  I wouldn't really want to see more movies like this made.  I feel like a lot of people are thinking "See?  When a director makes a real movie, the stupid masses reject it.  This is why Hollywood keeps making more and more schlock."  Not really.  I don't know if the Avengers is the third greatest movie ever, but it was an excellent movie.  It's very deservedly successful.  It's possible to make movies that are both substantiative and able to relate to an audience.  Prometheus was not a movie like that.

Perhaps ironically, I liked the very last scene the best.  As an origin for the Aliens, it's perfect.  So what you're telling me is that the aliens were born from an orgy of violence and rape metaphors that make you question whether or not being alive is worth it?  Sounds right to me.

4/10
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: MykeHavoc on June 14, 2012, 11:10:45 PM
I haven't really gone in depth on the film yet, but there are several issues with your analysis.

First, what do you mean by "well done"? Are you referring to the look of it? Because in that department, it's fairly unanimous that it was a visual masterpiece, as most of Scott's films are. And by "smart", do you mean intellectually challenging? It certainly presents plenty for one to mull over. If you're criticizing it's pseudo science then come on, this is a sci-fi picture. If you're referring to the characters making stupid decisions, I believe that that is exactly a major theme of the film: no matter the situation, human beings will always be fallible, regardless of what's at stake. We'll go to the ass end of space to make the most important discovery of all time only to pull the same dumb shit we would on earth on a daily basis.

Next, why are you bringing up Sherlock Holmes and OZ? Neither one has any relevance to this film.

I'm not exactly sure the central question is "why were we made". In fact I will go on record as saying it is "where did we come from", which the film indeed answers.

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Also, as an exploration of faith, meaning, and whatever, it's basically useless.  Nothing that happens means anything relative to the human experience.

What the hell does that even mean?

You're reference to Weyland as "some old guy"...I feel dumber for reading it.
Way to undermine the character that is the catalyst for everything that happens in the movie ::)

I'm not exactly sure on the "tragedy" you're referring to, or the importance of said "zombie" guy and his death. He was an extraneous character that killed off other extraneous characters. The entire point of them being there was to be bait so they could study the various effects the black goo has on people to see if any of the info retained would help them reach their goal, which was to prolong Weyland's life.

I could go on, but there's little point. You didn't really seem to make any effort to pay attention and absorb anything on the screen. You admit that you assumed you were getting something different before you went in. Seems you're upset because it didn't unfold the way you imagined. And don't try to say the trailer was false advertising, because it made no attempt to dupe people into getting something they weren't. Had they wanted to do that, they'd have sold it as an Alien prequel and put a bunch of shots of xenomorphs in it. What they went with was much more subtle and appropriate.

Is it a perfect film? No. Far from it. But it's not half as bad as you claim it is.
Your "review" is filled with more holes than said film.

To quote the film: "Try harder".
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 14, 2012, 11:38:08 PM
Quote from: MykeHavoc
First, what do you mean by "well done"? Are you referring to the look of it? Because in that department, it's fairly unanimous that it was a visual masterpiece, as most of Scott's films are.

I'm not sure you read my review.  I'll quote it again.

To be complimentary - the atmosphere of the movie is incredible.

This part also makes me wonder if you actually read my post:

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If you're criticizing it's pseudo science then come on, this is a sci-fi picture.

I didn't do that.

This part makes me wonder if you actually saw the movie:

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I'm not exactly sure on the "tragedy" you're referring to, or the importance of said "zombie" guy and his death. He was an extraneous character that killed off other extraneous characters.

Logan Marshall-Green was introduced into the movie as the second lead next to Noomi Rapace.  His death was meant to have emotional impact to the audience, and obviously affected her character.

Why are you the one telling me to try harder?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Accelerando on June 15, 2012, 12:35:32 AM

With Prometheus, the central question of the movie was "Why were humans made?"  And the question wasn't answered.  On purpose.  So in a sense the whole point of the movie was just to set up the next movie.  This isn't a TV show though. A movie's supposed to work as a self-contained experience.

Thank you! And this is why Damon Lindelof can never write a movie.


And I wish I had enjoyed the Xenomorph birth sequence. But it felt out of place. There was no subtlety to it. It was like Ridley was like "I promised an Alien movie and by jove im gonna put that little bastard in somewhere."

Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 15, 2012, 01:33:24 AM

With Prometheus, the central question of the movie was "Why were humans made?"  And the question wasn't answered.  On purpose.  So in a sense the whole point of the movie was just to set up the next movie.  This isn't a TV show though. A movie's supposed to work as a self-contained experience.

Thank you!

You're welcome.

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And I wish I had enjoyed the Xenomorph birth sequence. But it felt out of place. There was no subtlety to it. It was like Ridley was like "I promised an Alien movie and by jove im gonna put that little bastard in somewhere."

I liked that actually.  Subtlety and everything are great, but sometimes you have to just go for it.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 15, 2012, 06:43:57 AM

With Prometheus, the central question of the movie was "Why were humans made?"  And the question wasn't answered.  On purpose.  So in a sense the whole point of the movie was just to set up the next movie.  This isn't a TV show though.  A movie's supposed to work as a self-contained experience.


Amen to that.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Heretic on June 15, 2012, 09:51:04 AM
...I don't get some of your complaints about it not working as its own movie. It totally does. It has the complete experience and it could easily stand on its own if there were no Alien series. Just because it leaves a lot of things open ended for a sequel doesn't mean it's a bad movie or couldn't stand on its own.

Tons of movies leave things for a sequel because and they aren't usually berated for that. 
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Chino on June 15, 2012, 09:59:54 AM
I saw this last night. I had no idea that it was a prequel for Alien until the last 30 seconds. I never saw Alien, so I don't think I got it all.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Sigz on June 15, 2012, 10:01:29 AM
This part makes me wonder if you actually saw the movie:

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I'm not exactly sure on the "tragedy" you're referring to, or the importance of said "zombie" guy and his death. He was an extraneous character that killed off other extraneous characters.

Logan Marshall-Green was introduced into the movie as the second lead next to Noomi Rapace.  His death was meant to have emotional impact to the audience, and obviously affected her character.

... I'm actually wondering if you saw the movie. Zombie dude was not Logan Marshall-Green, it was the british dude with the tattoos who got an acid facial. LGM never came back after getting torched.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: MykeHavoc on June 15, 2012, 10:05:59 AM
This part makes me wonder if you actually saw the movie:

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I'm not exactly sure on the "tragedy" you're referring to, or the importance of said "zombie" guy and his death. He was an extraneous character that killed off other extraneous characters.

Logan Marshall-Green was introduced into the movie as the second lead next to Noomi Rapace.  His death was meant to have emotional impact to the audience, and obviously affected her character.

... I'm actually wondering if you saw the movie. Zombie dude was not Logan Marshall-Green, it was the british dude with the tattoos who got an acid facial. LGM never came back after getting torched.

Yup. That's why I was confused by the comment initially.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 15, 2012, 11:19:43 AM
This part makes me wonder if you actually saw the movie:

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I'm not exactly sure on the "tragedy" you're referring to, or the importance of said "zombie" guy and his death. He was an extraneous character that killed off other extraneous characters.

Logan Marshall-Green was introduced into the movie as the second lead next to Noomi Rapace.  His death was meant to have emotional impact to the audience, and obviously affected her character.

... I'm actually wondering if you saw the movie. Zombie dude was not Logan Marshall-Green, it was the british dude with the tattoos who got an acid facial. LGM never came back after getting torched.

Wait, WHAT!?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Kotowboy on June 15, 2012, 11:23:49 AM
Yeah that's right.  Holloway never came back - it was Fifield - the ginger mohawk who didn't have anything to contribute in the








MASSIVE DEAD BODY ARENA...
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 15, 2012, 11:26:42 AM
Yeah that's right.  Holloway never came back - it was Fifield - the ginger mohawk

That.  Reap', I'm not sure how you could have confused them.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 15, 2012, 11:39:37 AM
Yeah that's right.  Holloway never came back - it was Fifield - the ginger mohawk

That.  Reap', I'm not sure how you could have confused them.

Because what apparently actually happened is so stupid that my mind never even considered it.  They brought his corpse to the ship and then threw it outside like a garbage bag on your driveway?  What?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Sigz on June 15, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
No, they never found his body until it showed up outside the ship. That's why they investigated it when they saw it outside the door.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Zantera on June 15, 2012, 11:41:12 AM
Yeah that's right.  Holloway never came back - it was Fifield - the ginger mohawk

That.  Reap', I'm not sure how you could have confused them.

Because what apparently actually happened is so stupid that my mind never even considered it.  They brought his corpse to the ship and then threw it outside like a garbage bag on your driveway?  What?

Didn't they only find the other scientist? From what I recall they only found the other guy, and then the crazy scientist turned up eventually.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 15, 2012, 11:48:35 AM
No, they never found his body until it showed up outside the ship. That's why they investigated it when they saw it outside the door.

This.  Reap', what movie did you see? 
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 15, 2012, 11:52:57 AM
No, they never found his body until it showed up outside the ship. That's why they investigated it when they saw it outside the door.

Then that's even more stupid.  Aren't these unintelligent tentacle monsters things or something?  How did the Zombie know to get back to the ship?  How was it able to think with sufficient tactical ability curl up into a ball to lure people out.  Maybe it did possess this intelligence, but it displayed no signs of this.

And, even if it in fact does perfectly make sense, it was still a waste of time.

Reap', what movie did you see? 

One that I'm hating more and more as I think about it.

And just because it makes me think doesn't mean it's good.  Being intellectually frustrating is not the same as being intellectually challenging.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Sigz on June 15, 2012, 11:57:00 AM
And, even if it in fact does perfectly make sense, it was still a waste of time.

I'd totally agree with that actually, I thought the zombie thing was completely pointless. It only served to kill off characters that, with one semi-exception, had no purpose in the story anyways.


No, they never found his body until it showed up outside the ship. That's why they investigated it when they saw it outside the door.

Then that's even more stupid.  Aren't these unintelligent tentacle monsters things or something?  How did the Zombie know to get back to the ship?  How was it able to think with sufficient tactical ability curl up into a ball to lure people out.  Maybe it did possess this intelligence, but it displayed no signs of this.

There's really no explanation one way or the other. We don't know how he became a zombie, or what turned him, so there's really no way to know. It wasn't the tentacle thing that did it, other wise the other dude who got one down the throat would have turned as well.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 15, 2012, 12:01:59 PM
And, even if it in fact does perfectly make sense, it was still a waste of time.

I'd totally agree with that actually, I thought the zombie thing was completely pointless. It only served to kill off characters that, with one semi-exception, had no purpose in the story anyways.


No, they never found his body until it showed up outside the ship. That's why they investigated it when they saw it outside the door.

Then that's even more stupid.  Aren't these unintelligent tentacle monsters things or something?  How did the Zombie know to get back to the ship?  How was it able to think with sufficient tactical ability curl up into a ball to lure people out.  Maybe it did possess this intelligence, but it displayed no signs of this.

There's really no explanation one way or the other. We don't know how he became a zombie, or what turned him, so there's really no way to know. It wasn't the tentacle thing that did it, other wise the other dude who got one down the throat would have turned as well.

Now do you see why I didn't even consider the possibility of any of this happening?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: bosk1 on June 15, 2012, 12:13:38 PM
Now do you see why I didn't even consider the possibility of any of this happening?

No.  Because it was pretty clear, actually.  The acid ate through his helmet, and he fell face first into a big puddle of the black virus.  So while it is somewhat left up to the audience to connect the dots, it is fairly obvious the virus transformed him (as it appears to do with all life it comes into contact with).  Not surprising then that it would have been able to use his memories to get back to the ship.  I completely agree with you that the scene was stupid, pointless, and a waste of time (other than, perhaps, to try to continue to illustrate and reinforce that the virus acts on different organisms in a variety of ways, which is valid, but could have been handled in a much less hamfisted way).  But not remotely for the reasons you are citing, which don't seem to be founded on anything other than the fact that you didn't really pay attention and are raging based on incorrect assumptions.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: TioJorge on June 15, 2012, 12:31:36 PM
This is why bosk is the computer. My friends said the same thing to me after the movie... "That was dumb whenever the male-protagonist turned into that zombie-thing!" I had argued with them for about an hour about how it was the ginger-tat and the acid and blah blah blah... but let it be and shook my head as I walked away, leaving them to wallow in their ignorance. Then I ate a big bowl of black liquid and watched my friends as they left me on the desolate planet alone. Then I turned to dust. Right down to my DNA.

I liked the movie very much and have little to complain about. Alien mythos or not, it was good as a standalone movie and the fact that I'm a fan of Alien lore made it all the better. It wasn't the revolutionary Sci-Fi flick I imagined, but it was certainly the best one in years and I imagine I'll be watching it again and again, continuously dissecting the lore and possibilities of the second. Which, from the sound of Ridley, sounds like it could be the true reason for setting up this little side-verse of lore. Meeting the creator of the creators...now that sounds epic. Sans zombie-goo-people.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 15, 2012, 07:24:54 PM
I think, the very fact that it was an issue with some people, shows that the pacing for the movie was a bit fucked.  When that scene came up, I was convinced it was Shaw's boyfriend (even though they looked nothing alike), mostly because I thought there was a shot of Fifeld's body in the vase room, a body with a burned face and a shattered helmet.  It wasn't until later that I realized that 'Oh, it was Fifeld... that makes more sense.'  Still a dumb scene that was probably added in just to inject some tension and action.

Even though I think it was very flawed, I still enjoyed it and I'm glad that it's the basis for a lot of discussion.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Chino on June 15, 2012, 09:45:10 PM
The thing that irritated the shit out of me ... Our DNA was a match to the engineers... How did the DNA of the rest of the animal kingdom, primarily primates, get so similar to ours?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: marztacy on June 15, 2012, 10:27:16 PM
the one premise of the movie that i had an issue with (and apologies if this is explained more in detail in the movie but i must've missed it) Is that this whole $1 trillion expedition was seemingly based on 6 cave paintings? Is the fact that there is a constellation of stars identical to 6 cave paintings enough scientific premise to fund a 1 trillion dollar expedition to a constellation 10^14 light years away?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Sigz on June 15, 2012, 10:33:21 PM
I think it was:

1) all of the images weren't just sharing a constellation, but a general theme of the humans worshiping the same greater being who was pointing to this same constellation.

2) The constellation was so far away that it wasn't even visible with the naked eye, thus the pattern had to have come from some other source

3) Weyland was obsessed with immortality to the point of desperation
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Gadough on June 16, 2012, 01:47:19 AM
I saw it tonight.

My brain is full of fuck.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: The Dark Master on June 16, 2012, 02:01:16 AM
The thing that irritated the shit out of me ... Our DNA was a match to the engineers... How did the DNA of the rest of the animal kingdom, primarily primates, get so similar to ours?
There are two possible answers to this:

1) Given the scene at the very beginning of the film, (which shows a very primordial world with no apparent life), I felt that it was implied that the engineer's DNA forms the basis of all life on the newly created world, with the intentional end evolutionary result being engineer-esque humanoids, like homo sapiens.

2) The engineer DNA mixes with a species already present on the planet, and causes that species to evolves into something like the engineers.  Of course, that would mean that primate DNA was already similar to that of the engineers in the first place, which is why I personally thing option 1 is the more logical conclusion.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: BlackInk on June 17, 2012, 04:40:57 AM
So I finally saw this and I liked it. It was a good and half scary sci-fi movie. Though we were left with very few questions answered, but I guess they wanted us to figure stuff out for yourself and to see it in your own way and that's fine.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Zantera on June 17, 2012, 05:02:14 AM
So Metty, did you ever see Resurrection?
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2012, 05:53:12 AM
Ugh.. Resurrection is so Hollywood and lame. Like all pointless sequels it offers nothing new and changes what has gone before.

On the other hand - I think Alien V Predator is much better despite the same problems I mentioned earlier :

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Like all pointless sequels it offers nothing new and changes what has gone before.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: MykeHavoc on June 17, 2012, 10:42:16 AM
Resurrection does offer the next step in Ripley's evolution. She goes from battling one xenomorph, to many, to having one inside of her, then to being genetically fused with the species. There's still plenty to enjoy in it, even though it is certainly the low point of the initial franchise (if we're taking all films into consideration, then AVP: Requiem takes the cake).
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Adami on June 17, 2012, 10:49:25 AM
Decided that before I see Prometheus, I am going to watch all 4 official Alien movies, since I haven't seen them in over a decade.

So far Alien and Aliens (directs cut of each) have been great. I'll do Alien3 tonight and the Alien Abortion one tuesday night most likely.

Enjoying it so far. I forgot how awesome Bishop from Aliens was.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 17, 2012, 11:20:18 AM
I watched Alien and Aliens last night.  Both hold up remarkably well, though the visual clarity on the blu ray makes some of the effects stand out a bit more (in a not so good way).  Aside from whenever anybody uses a computer, the effects mostly stand up better than CGI from a few years ago.

Oh yeah and Hudson's last stand is awesome.  :hat
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: Adami on June 17, 2012, 12:12:37 PM
The only effect that seemed awful to me was the ship exploding at the end of Alien. Just bad effects, that one might have been a good idea to replace.
Title: Re: Prometheus (Ridley Scott's new movie) ***SPOILERS***
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 17, 2012, 12:51:16 PM
The only effect that seemed awful to me was the ship exploding at the end of Alien. Just bad effects, that one might have been a good idea to replace.
Yeah, that one screamed 70's early 80's. I don't think it's worth it to replace it, but it stands out quite a bit nowadays.

Another is when Bishop is flying the shuttle into the exploding cooling tower to drop Ripley off near the end.  The shuttle looks very obviously fake.  Not a big deal, but certainly noticeable.
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 17, 2012, 01:32:20 PM
Alien is one of the theatrical cuts that I prefer to the extended version. The major additional scene creates a huge continuity issue, since it adds an element to the xenomorph's life cycle that contradicts what is established in Aliens. Also, most of the snippets added don't flesh out all that much, and if anything, strain the pacing a bit.
While I certainly enjoy the added footage in Aliens, it still suffers from the same pacing issues. Cameron knew how to make a theatrical cut perfectly balanced. The special editions of his films are excellent supplements, but to me, his release versions are superior (Abyss may be an exception). T2 is an obvious one. Theatrical cut is a perfect film. All the edits made the film better. The deleted footage is certainly fun to see though.
Now with Alien 3, that's an entirely different beast all together. While I still, in spite of it's flaws, greatly enjoyed the film in it's theatrical form, the assembly cut was a revelation. Nearly every hole was patched up. This was an example of proper expansion.
Resurrection...didn't notice much of a difference between cuts.
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2012, 02:41:01 PM
Resurrection does offer the next step in Ripley's evolution. She goes from battling one xenomorph, to many, to having one inside of her, then to being genetically fused with the species. There's still plenty to enjoy in it, even though it is certainly the low point of the initial franchise (if we're taking all films into consideration, then AVP: Requiem takes the cake).

AVP:R is the only one I haven't seen but based on what i've heard - I shall not bother.

I think AVP is much better than A:R though
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Post by: Zantera on June 17, 2012, 03:05:41 PM
I saw the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 yesterday actually, first time. Really good stuff, and I think Alien 3 is much better than people give it credit for.
I'd probably rank Alien Resurrection over AvP though. I still enjoy the latter.
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 17, 2012, 03:21:29 PM
AVP:R is the only one I haven't seen but based on what i've heard - I shall not bother.

I think AVP is much better than A:R though

Smart move. AVP:R just incites anger. It's as if the filmmakers did everything in their power to intentionally make you hate it.
From an awful script to awful acting to throwing out all the established science of both franchises. And then, to essentially ruin the only thing going for it, mainly gore and monster effects, they master the film so remarkably dark that you have no friggin' clue what the hell is going on at any point. This is by far the most depressing completist purchase I've ever made, as I already knew I hated it. But I suppose it's good to have around in the event that I'm discussing worst films ever made with someone and they haven't seen it yet.

As for the first AVP...I'm not sure where I rank it. To me, it sort of sits with Resurrection. I guess I find them to be on even keel.
Both enjoyable, flawed films. If I rated the series:

Alien: 5 out of 5
Aliens: 5 out of 5
Alien III: 4 out of 5
Alien Resurrection: 3.5 out of 5
AVP: 3.5 out of 5
AVP Requiem: .5 out of 5
Prometheus: 4 out of 5

and if we're taking the Predator films into consideration:

Predator: 5 out of 5
Predator II: 3.5 out of 5
Predators: 4 out of 5
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2012, 05:07:48 PM
The one daft scene that stands out in my memory from AVP is when The Predator allows Weyland to live and then Weyland tries to kill The Predator anyway resulting in his own death.

If a massively superior hunter alien allows you to live - WALK AWAY.
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Post by: chrisbDTM on June 18, 2012, 12:43:15 PM
I saw it tonight.

My brain is full of fuck.

this. but it definitely inspired me to read as many theories as I can about the movie, so I would consider it good and very interesting


also fassbender was great, as usual
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Post by: Kotowboy on June 18, 2012, 06:39:17 PM



The trick, william potter... is not minding that it hurts.

Fassbender actually resembled Peter O Toole in that segment.
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Post by: chrisbDTM on June 18, 2012, 07:53:26 PM
found this on reddit. kinda interesting, i dont think its that accurate but
(https://i.imgur.com/gaPUN.jpg)
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Post by: Adami on June 18, 2012, 07:57:11 PM
Isn't he doing a blade-runner follow up next? Be neat if he put them in the same universe.
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Post by: MykeHavoc on June 18, 2012, 08:18:47 PM
Prometheus takes place 70 years after Blade Runner, so not sure where they are going with that.
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Post by: Sigz on June 18, 2012, 08:21:19 PM
Don't worry, he'll just retcon the date in the final ultimate definitive director's cut of Blade Runner, out this christmas.
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Post by: chrisbDTM on June 20, 2012, 10:53:56 AM
also need to see if the 'are you a robot?' pickup line will work in real life
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Post by: Phoenix87x on July 07, 2012, 07:39:58 PM
Just came across this and found it pretty amusing

(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/250907_284420744989046_1089188899_n.jpg)

I have to admit, that I can't stop thinking about this movie though. Whether that's good or bad I don't know.
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Post by: BlackInk on July 08, 2012, 03:55:53 AM
I have to admit, that I can't stop thinking about this movie though. Whether that's good or bad I don't know.

That is often the trait of a great movie, thinking about it long after having seen it.
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Post by: TioJorge on July 09, 2012, 09:10:17 AM
I was just thinking earlier that despite the few qualms I have with this movie (few, but one or two really bug me), I'm still really interested in the mythos of the story and the lore that could be created; the universe still interests me and Ridley did a fine job of crafting it. That said, I'm even more excited about the sequel and how that universe will expand and what else we'll find out about it. Very cool movie. Just not the ground-breaking, genre-bending blockbuster I thought it'd be.
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Post by: wkiml on August 02, 2012, 07:12:16 AM
sequel


https://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=747649
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 02, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
Where I read that news also said that most likely, Lindeloff will not come back. Which is good news.
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Post by: ReaPsTA on August 02, 2012, 11:46:48 AM
Where I read that news also said that most likely, Lindeloff will not come back. Which is good news.

At the bottom of the quoted article:

Quote
Perhaps clued in to the controversy surrounding the incredibly cryptic nature of Prometheus and its many unanswered questions, the producers are talking to new writers, but the Reporter indicates the move is because co-writer Damon Lindelof "might not be available."

If the studio wanted Lindelof and Lindelof wanted to work on the movie, they'd clear each other's schedules.

This is code speak for, "Every time Lindelof does something, people complain they couldn't understand it, which is one of the worst complaints you can have about a Hollywood movie.  So we want to distance ourselves from that."
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Post by: The King in Crimson on August 03, 2012, 06:37:06 PM
Well, to be fair, it's not the cryptic stuff in Prometheus that's a problem, it's the stupid stuff.  :D
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Post by: Scorpion on August 29, 2012, 04:28:59 AM
Just watched this movie yesterday, and I was surprised at how much I liked it. Sure, there weren't that many twists or anything, but it was an all-around enjoyable experience.

One thing that I didn't understand, though: why did David poison Holloway's drink? Just to get a feel of the effects or is it something more?
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Post by: Kotowboy on August 29, 2012, 05:42:11 PM
I think Weyland wanted to know if the black goo was life giving or life ending. I guess they both found out so Weyland went to see the Engineer instead.




Who was also life ending xD...


I *loved* this film so much I went to see it three times in the cinema :) :)

1st time was my first IMAX experience. It was *SO GOOD*
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Post by: Scorpion on August 30, 2012, 04:42:55 AM
I think Weyland wanted to know if the black goo was life giving or life ending. I guess they both found out so Weyland went to see the Engineer instead.

That makes sense.

Thanks!
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Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2012, 01:46:14 PM
It does make sense, but it's not the only option.  And I think the fact that David's motivations for pretty much anything he does are pretty ambiguous was intentional on Scott's part.  I don't think we're supposed to really know what David is up to.
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 11, 2012, 08:19:03 AM
Was watching again on Blu Ray recently and i noticed that when the Engineer's ship falls out of the sky - it " lands "

with the "prong" side first. The "hammerhead" kind of side is still upwards.

yet when it comes to rest on top of Vickers - the prong side is now at the back and it would have had to have spun 180 to get to

that position.

Furthermore - in the trailer for the film - it shows the same shot but with the "prong" side facing the other way.

I wonder why they changed it for the film ?!
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Post by: Adami on November 11, 2012, 12:13:51 PM
You know what else I wonder why they changed about the film? The crazy australian guy killing everyone scene. In the movie it just becomes a generic zombie guy comes and kills everyone. But the alternate scene on the blu ray shows him as more of a human/alien hybrid. This changes a whole lot. It goes to show that he adopted the personality of the aliens themselves and thus also supports the idea that they are weapons.
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 11, 2012, 02:47:48 PM
Don't think he's an aussie.

Pretty sure he's from London with that accent. But anyhoo.

Ridley said the practical effects just looked better on the day.
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Post by: Adami on November 11, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Don't think he's an aussie.

Pretty sure he's from London with that accent. But anyhoo.

Ridley said the practical effects just looked better on the day.

Whatever he was, him being an alien hybrid made a lot more sense than some zombie thing.
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Post by: SeRoX on November 11, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
(https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdch3bE9U51qaz0qto1_500.jpg)
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Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2013, 03:52:03 PM
So, sequel in...2015?  20friggin15?  Are Ridley Scott and Tuomas Holopainen related?
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on April 25, 2013, 10:35:17 PM
source?
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Post by: BlackInk on April 26, 2013, 05:21:37 AM
source?
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 26, 2013, 05:24:52 AM
(https://www.poundland.co.uk/images/10219/original/Heinz-Tomato-Ketchup-450g.jpg) ????
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Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2013, 07:44:03 AM
https://www.prometheus2-movie.com/
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Post by: orcus116 on April 27, 2013, 08:43:59 PM
Oh god no
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Post by: Tick on April 29, 2013, 08:38:39 AM
This movie was boring and pretty much awful. Watched a bit more than an hour and couldn't take it any more.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 29, 2013, 08:40:04 AM
This movie was boring and pretty much awful.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 29, 2013, 09:12:13 AM
7.6/10 - Good

Not amazing but not awful at all.
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Post by: TioJorge on April 29, 2013, 12:21:53 PM
Interesting. I didn't think it was bad at all. I mean, my expectations were set a little too high and I bought into the hype since at the time I was severely starved for any type of sci/fi story; but I still really enjoyed the movie and I'm really excited to see where they go in the sequel in terms of the universe, lore, and hopefully explaining things in full. If not...then they'd better explain most of it before adding more questions and finishing it all up in the third film.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 29, 2013, 02:17:58 PM
Loved Prometheus and don't think it warranted all the hate it got.

Although I am hoping for answers in the second one.

Just not as many as others.

Multiple viewings of the film will answer some of it but some things are *meant* to be a mystery.

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Post by: Orbert on April 29, 2013, 03:21:56 PM
Exactly.  Sometimes the answer is that we don't get an answer.  Or we just have to deal with the fact that our puny human brains cannot comprehend what the answer might be.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 29, 2013, 04:37:43 PM
The only thing that bugged me is - what was that altar in the Head room with the green stone in it ?

:P
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Post by: bosk1 on April 29, 2013, 04:54:06 PM
I'm pretty sure it was an altar with a green stone in it.  But that's just my best guess.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 29, 2013, 05:11:19 PM
Wow you actually hit "post" with that answer.


Maybe next time you could be less of a dick.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 29, 2013, 05:15:44 PM
Wow you actually hit "post" with that answer.

Yeah, I actually said the same thing about your post.

Maybe next time you could be less of a dick.

Maybe.  But while I'm pretty lenient about spam posts that offer little to the discussion, like your first post above, personal attacks are another story.  Knock that off.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2013, 05:20:36 PM
I liked the movie.....I'm hoping the sequel to that prequel is good also. After watching it again the other night my impression was that the large wall had what looked like a queen alien on it... kind of in the Jesus on the cross pose. The large human head was all decorated or 'scarred' maybe like a sacrifice or something like that. I don't know...just guessing.

And, it looked like to me when they woke the engineer up he didn't get ticked off until after he watched them beat the crap out of the main chic ( forgot her name) when she kept shouting questions. The henchman punched her in he gut a couple times and then the engineer went psycho on them after seeing that.
  Could it be they were coming back to earth to 'fix' or destroy us because maybe they failed at removing violence from their/our DNA? Or are we just a planet full of worthy sacrifices?

  I'm looking forward to the next movie...bummer it's so far off. 
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 29, 2013, 05:46:17 PM


 spam posts that offer little to the discussion

 :lol :tup

Because wondering about a part of a film is adding nothing to the discussion which is primarily about unanswered mysteries.

Have fun with that,
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Post by: orcus116 on April 29, 2013, 05:52:10 PM
Like LOST, I could never tell whether the unanswered mysteries are actually really thought up by the writers or just people being way too anal and looking for something out of nothing. Gut feeling, it's almost always the latter.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2013, 05:56:23 PM
Like LOST, I could never tell whether the unanswered mysteries are actually really thought up by the writers or just people being way too anal and looking for something out of nothing. Gut feeling, it's almost always the latter.
I kind of like shows like that though. The only problem is that if you allow yourself to get ticked off if they answer any of those questions with something other than what you wanted to hear or see. A lot of folks were ticked at LOST when they started filling in some of those blanks....not I. But some.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 30, 2013, 02:27:49 AM
The only thing that bugged me is - what was that altar in the Head room with the green stone in it?

Yeah that's actually the one real question I still have since it seemed to be important by where it was placed and how they showed it. I'm not wondering that much about the other stuff because I thought it was obvious that we'd learn more in the next movie/s if there were any.
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Post by: Chino on June 27, 2013, 06:29:05 PM
I'm watching this again right now... I don't understand the Hollands running around?..?...
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Post by: bosk1 on March 23, 2015, 12:08:04 PM
Saw something on this awhile back, so just thought I would post again.  Last I heard, I think we are about a year out from pt. 2.  And while there were some definite problems with pt. 1, it was still an entertaining flick.  I know I will see the second, and will probably enjoy it despite it probably having issues as well.

And just so I can find it again, the link to my initial reaction to the film:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=29871.msg1311937#msg1311937

I do want to say, however, that I am not happy with the amount of time it is taking to get the next one out.  Yeah, I understand taking one's time to make sure the script and everything are right.  And I understand other movie commitments.  But when you make a movie that so obviously is the first in a series of direct sequels (as opposed to a movie that has sufficient closure that it could stand alone if no sequel is ever made), it is really annoying to the fans to have to wait this long.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 23, 2015, 12:42:24 PM
I don't mind. I like Prometheus more than most, and am excited to see next one. But there's enough other movies and shows out there to keep me occupied during the wait. Now, if 10 or something years down the line we still didn't have the next film, then I'd definetely feel a bit annoyed, but right now I don't think that limit has been passed.
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Post by: ozzy554 on March 23, 2015, 01:01:48 PM
I liked prometheus even though it was not really a prequel, it's more like another movie set in the same universe. If part 2 gets made I would like to see some more alien connections in it.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 23, 2015, 01:02:08 PM
I don't mind, either.  And frankly, I wouldn't mind if another one didn't get made.  I think it's OK as a standalone movie.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 23, 2015, 01:59:59 PM
I don't mind, either.  And frankly, I wouldn't mind if another one didn't get made.  I think it's OK as a standalone movie.

That would make me a bit disappointed. It sets up some stuff that Ridley Scott seems to have big ideas about, and I would be a bit sad to see that never make it onto the screen.
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Post by: Orbert on March 23, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
It's okay as a standalone movie, but there are definitely some ideas introduced in Prometheus which tie into the Alien series, and (as mentioned in another thread) I was looking forward to seeing the connections being made a lot more clear.  Now it looks like Scott has no intention of doing that, so that's disappointing.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2015, 01:12:11 PM
Well, I'm not as huge a fan of the series as many people are.  I think Alien is an amazing horror/sci-fi film on its own, and I think that James Cameron made a fantastic sequel to it, but that's it for me.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on March 25, 2015, 01:18:22 PM
Well, I'm not as huge a fan of the series as many people are.  I think Alien is an amazing horror/sci-fi film on its own, and I think that James Cameron made a fantastic sequel to it, but that's it for me.

I thought ALIEN was more a 'suspense/horror' and ALIENS was more an 'action/suspense'

IMO that is the series. Those two movies. The third movie had a couple redeeming qualities by the premise behind it was not a good follow up to ALIENS IMO. I think they missed the mark big time. And....the subsequent movies after that don't even count in my mind.....to me they were just bad.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 25, 2015, 01:22:22 PM
Well, I'm not as huge a fan of the series as many people are.  I think Alien is an amazing horror/sci-fi film on its own, and I think that James Cameron made a fantastic sequel to it, but that's it for me.

I think that's how most people feel, even most of those who are fans of the entire series as a whole.  The first two were SO good.  But after that...

And it's a shame too, because I think every single one that followed (3 and 4, as well as the two AvP movies) had some intriguing premises and could have been fantastic, but ultimately just ended up being very poorly executed because of poor storytelling, bad script writing, deviating too far from the source material and/or mood of the first two films, or other reasons.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2015, 01:27:24 PM
Well, I'm not as huge a fan of the series as many people are.  I think Alien is an amazing horror/sci-fi film on its own, and I think that James Cameron made a fantastic sequel to it, but that's it for me.

I think that's how most people feel, even most of those who are fans of the entire series as a whole.  The first two were SO good.  But after that...

And it's a shame too, because I think every single one that followed (3 and 4, as well as the two AvP movies) had some intriguing premises and could have been fantastic, but ultimately just ended up being very poorly executed because of poor storytelling, bad script writing, deviating too far from the source material and/or mood of the first two films, or other reasons.
I agree with that.

I was so disappointed with the third one, I walked out of the theater in a daze.  I didn't even watch the fourth until years after its release, and it wasn't much better.

For that matter, the AVP movies could have been good, but I guess that was a preordained failure given the nature of the films.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 25, 2015, 01:55:24 PM
For that matter, the AVP movies could have been good, but I guess that was a preordained failure given the nature of the films.

The first one was okay.  But I feel it went wrong in two respects:  (1) It felt too much like a video game at times, which set the wrong tone; and (2) I think the humans were used incorrectly.  On the latter point, rather than having the survivor become some warrior princess who fought along with the Predator, I think it would have been better done if the humans were just trying to fight to stay out of the way and fight to survive on their own.

The second one was a brilliantly terrifying premise that was fine until it:  (1) deviated too far from what Cameron had set up in Aliens as the xenomorph life cycle, and (2) went WAY too far in terms of shock value (aliens in the pregnancy ward in the hospital, for example).  And the predator that came did not have to come all the way from the home world, and did not have to be a "cleaner" to try to eliminate all evidence.  Relatively small tweaks could have made this a fantastic movie instead of the dreck that was foisted upon us.
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Post by: Dream Team on March 25, 2015, 02:52:10 PM
Unfortunately Fox has not been willing to invest big bucks to get excellent writers and directors for all the sequels. Such a shame; what could have been.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 25, 2015, 06:06:22 AM
Quote
Ridley Scott has told us that the next film in the Prometheus saga will be called Alien: Paradise Lost.

https://www.heyuguys.com/prometheus-2-title-ridley-scott-interview/

Even though I was not a fan of the first movie i'm still interested in Ridley Scott so i'm looking forward to what he will do with the next installation. With that being said i'm much much more interested in what Neill Blomkamp will do with Alien 5.
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Post by: Orbert on September 25, 2015, 07:25:51 AM
I'm interested in where Scott will go next with the Prometheus story, to see how the trajectory towards eventually joining the Alien story continues.

I'm curious what Blomkamp will do with Alien 5.  I'll check it out, of course, and it may even be the better film, but in different ways.  I like a well-crafted story (not that we necessarily got that with Prometheus) but I'm also a fan of good sci-fi concept and cool effects.
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 07:45:54 AM
                                                                 ^------>Alien 5
                                                                  :
                                                                  :
Prometheus                        Alien - - - >Aliens - - - >Alien3 - - - >Alien Resurrection
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Post by: Zantera on September 25, 2015, 08:15:11 AM
You forgot AVP and AVP:R ;D
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Post by: BlackInk on September 25, 2015, 09:06:22 AM
As someone who actually really liked Prometheus, I am excited for Paradise Lost!
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 09:19:03 AM
You forgot AVP and AVP:R ;D

NOT CANON :angry:
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Post by: Orbert on September 25, 2015, 09:19:56 AM
I liked Prometheus pretty much.  It was definitely cool getting more from that universe, from the guy who started it all.  And it had a good amount of weird "alien" stuff going on, but some of it felt almost like it was weird just to be weird and mess with you, not because it actually needed to be that way to serve the story.  Ultimately, for me, sci-fi is the melding of concept and story.  The premise is something beyond what we currently know, but extrapolated from known science; the story is how people deal with it, live their lives, face the challenges.  If you get enough of one part of the equation, you can get by with a little less of the other, but both need to be there.  Prometheus had a lot of expectations to live up to, and had the constraints of being set (somewhat) within a "known" universe.  I think that given all it had to do, it did quite well, but it wasn't a perfect movie.  Although to be fair, none are.

You forgot AVP and AVP:R ;D

I'm pretty sure those films don't actually exist.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 25, 2015, 09:24:14 AM
The first AvP is alright. Fun movie. The second one is just so... B.
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Post by: Orbert on September 25, 2015, 09:36:53 AM
I think it was kind of a cool idea to link the Alien and Predator "universes", but it needed to be done better, with more respect paid to each franchise.  Also, it seems that they sacrificed actual intelligent filmmaking in favor of cool effects and wow action scenes.  Both franchises to me are reasonable blends of sci-fi and action, in varying degrees, but the AVP movies just felt like an excuse to make action movies that just happened to feature creations from other movies.
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 09:50:34 AM
Yeah I don't mind the first AVP. I actually prefer it to Resurrection as it features a lot less of the tiresome " group of badasses act all badass and say fuck constantly because they're so badass ".
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 25, 2015, 11:13:15 AM
I think it was kind of a cool idea to link the Alien and Predator "universes", but it needed to be done better
It WAS done better, in comics, years before those disastrous films.

In fact, I'm not sure why they didn't just adapt the comics to make the films.  That would have turned out much better.
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Post by: TioJorge on September 25, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Oh, I know this on! Because Hollywood.

Cool to know the title and I'm kinda like you, Hef in that I'm not a raging fan of the series but really enjoyed the horror/sci/fi aspect of the first couple movies...but my fandom putters out there. However, I really liked the return to form (for the most part) with Prometheus and am excited to see where the story goes with APL. I liked how the first movie ended with such mystery and it was exciting to imagine what kind of world she and Mr. Android were going to...so it'll be cool to finally see it realized.
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 11:16:47 AM
It was directed by Paul WS Anderson.

His one and only decent movie was Event Horizon.

Everything else he's done has been shite.

Paul Thomas Anderson must LOVE being confused with him...
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 25, 2015, 11:27:22 AM
It was directed by Paul WS Anderson.

His one and only decent movie was Event Horizon.

Everything else he's done has been shite.

Paul Thomas Anderson must LOVE being confused with him...
I also liked Event Horizon.  Creepy.
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 11:29:18 AM
Ridley Scott says Paradise Lost will have a connection to Ripley. And that Fassbender won't just be a head for the whole movie " but something much better "...

Obviously he didn't say what.

Also confirmed Blomkamp's Alien 5 still going ahead with himself as producer.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 25, 2015, 11:37:30 AM
Interesting.  I kind of thought that the direct connection with Alien in the new Prometheus sequel would bump the Blomkamp film.
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Post by: TioJorge on September 25, 2015, 11:45:35 AM
Nice! I was hoping Fassbender would have a prominent role, so it's good to know he's not going to be left by the wayside and/or just be that talking head (which I assumed he wouldn't if he was going to be in the film it all, but it's nice to know). It makes sense with an android that badass that he'd be able to integrate himself in some way with either another android or a computer of sorts, etc. I'm excited to see what happens with him.

Also...it blows my mind every time I think about it that the man that made the amazing Event Horizon movie now shoots his gross, sticky little load on ruining the Resident Evil name with his...what is it, like seventh film by now? It makes me cringe every damn time. This is coming from a huge fan of the RE games so I'm going to reign in my fingers now.  :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on September 25, 2015, 12:00:38 PM
I know that Blomkamp has said that the game Alien: Isolation inspired him alot. What that means for the actual movie I have no idea.
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 12:00:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUPaxgIo98

Relevant :lol
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Post by: Orbert on September 25, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
..it blows my mind every time I think about it that the man that made the amazing Event Horizon movie now shoots his gross, sticky little load on ruining the Resident Evil name with his...what is it, like seventh film by now? It makes me cringe every damn time. This is coming from a huge fan of the RE games so I'm going to reign in my fingers now.  :lol

I've never played the Resident Evil games.  The movies seem kinda silly, and I've hard that they basically don't have a lot to do with the games, but I watched one at my buddy Doug's house and Milla Jovovich got like totally naked, so I grabbed the remote from Doug and said "How do you back up with this?" because there are like 300 buttons and it's dark in the "theater room" and he shows me, so I back it up to right before Milla gets naked, and then I said "Now how do you do slow-mo?" and he showed me, and he asked "What are you doing?" and I said "I just gotta check something, hang on" and we slow-moed through the scene and yeah, full frontal exposure there, which I actually didn't expect, and I said "Cool" and of course admired the artistry of the scene and all that, then I hit Play and tossed the remote back over to Doug, who said "What was that all about?" like fuck, Doug, do I have to spell it out for you?  But Doug -- he's a cop, by the way -- got injured in the line of duty a few years ago, and now he has actual brain damage, no shit, so I have to cut him some slack.  And he's a good guy and all, but he wasn't the brightest bulb in the pack before the accident, and now...

Anyway, I kinda like the Resident Evil movies.
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 25, 2015, 12:30:21 PM
The first RE game is a classic. RE 4 is also amazing.
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Post by: jammindude on September 25, 2015, 10:58:01 PM
I just saw the movie for the first time, and I'm assuming it's been out long enough that I don't need a spoiler tag...


So, the big tall dudes invented the aliens as a weapon and were heading to Earth to use them?    Why did everyone find that so hard to understand?   I thought everyone was confused by it.    I mean, sure there were some unanswered questions, but I didn't find the plot as hard to follow as I had feared based on what I had heard.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 26, 2015, 12:48:00 AM
Yeah, it's all a bit blown out of proportion by now.
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2015, 02:16:41 AM
The weird thing is - the end is supposedly the first xenomorph because the black liquid infected Holloway - who impregnated Shaw - who birthed the face hugger thing who impregnated the Engineer.

If that is so - why is there a Xenomorph clearly visible in the murals in the "Giant Head" room.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 26, 2015, 04:04:47 AM
Why is it supposed to be the first? Yeah, there is clearly a xenomorph queen in the murals, which I would take as a clear sign that it wasn't the first at all.
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Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2015, 08:15:48 AM
So the big reveal at the end of a proto xeno was.....just for shits and giggles ? Pandering to the studio? A shoehorned in xeno for the fans ?
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Post by: jammindude on September 26, 2015, 09:10:43 AM
Maybe it was for the people that never saw the queen in the mural........you know, like me?

Besides, once I realized that that "thing" was a giant facehugger, it's not like I didn't know exactly what was going to happen to that dude anyway.  So the ending just seemed like a perfectly natural progression. 

What I didn't get was why the violent Andrew Luck wannabe came back to life as a Superman. 
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Post by: Orbert on September 26, 2015, 09:57:33 AM
So the big reveal at the end of a proto xeno was.....just for shits and giggles ? Pandering to the studio? A shoehorned in xeno for the fans ?

I took it as "Okay, you know that this is going to connect to the xenomorph life cycle that you know and love, but if we don't do something explicit, then people will either be disappointed, not get it, or start making up their own theories.  So here.  We cool now?"

So maybe something like pandering, but really just making the connection clear.
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Post by: Zantera on September 26, 2015, 11:43:25 AM
The Xenomorph at the end felt shoehorned in the sense that "We gotta SHOW the alien in the movie or the audience will be disappointed", and that just hinting at the alien's existence (via the painting/figure in the wall) was not enough.
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Post by: TioJorge on September 26, 2015, 12:14:01 PM
I'm not sure why it needs to be the first either... I thought it was very clear that the Engineers had done this before. It was all extremely ritualized even from the beginning sequence that happened however many eons ago. The initial engineer meticulously 'praying', taking the vial of substance, ingesting it, being 'reborn'...etc. Very clear that this wasn't the first time to me. Then at the end, it all comes full circle with the humans doing (seemingly) exactly as the Engineers thought and attempting to find immortality and fuckin' shit up per norm. The only part that seemed a stretch to me is how it was done through infestation of the human body, then having sex with another, and finally infecting an Engineer. Even so, I don't think it's too much of a longshot to think that they'd have human experimentation before...after all, they are the creators and have infinitely more knowledge than we.

I liked it, except for this:

What I didn't get was why the violent Andrew Luck wannabe came back to life as a Superman. 

That is the only part that felt weird to me. But even that made a little sense and I could see where they were going. It felt like an amalgamation of what the ending sequence and the beginning sequence were except he 'skipped' a few steps and ended up being the failed experiment. I don't exactly get the powered up form but it does make a little sense when you consider what the Engineers were trying to turn us into...which we see at the end. I thought it was cool and as Ink said, people just loooove to blow shit out of proportion (or get really angry when they don't understand). I'm also with Orby and Zant on the whole 'we have to spell it out for the audience' though, which...actually turned out to be all too true given the initial reactions to the movie and how many people really did not know what the hell was going on, so I suppose they really did need to spell it out for many people.  :lol Which is fine, I'm not going to act like I got everything on the first viewing, it took me a second and third viewing to see all the little details.

In the end, it's all about what you get from the movie, as it is with any other medium. A vast amount of people seem to have this idea of black and white with movies/books that they need to get it exactly right and exactly as the author/director/writer intended or it's all horribly wrong and fuck everyone else's opinion of it. I don't see anything that way anymore. I get what I get from the movie and if you get something different, fine; but it doesn't make what I get out of it any more right or wrong. Sure, if you say something like "Well, the Engineers wanted to turn humans into cotton candy and accidentally put licorice in the equation and we got the Xenomorphs"...then yeah, maybe you should watch the movie again. But nothing has to be exactly a certain way, not to me anyway. Thinking like that seems obtuse and unnecessary. Yes, I'm sure every director and writer wants the audience to get a certain thing from their work, but it doesn't always have to be this perfectly spelled out shmorgishborg of ideas that are exactly as the director/writer meant it.

I liked it enough to be excited about a second! Bring it!  :tup
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2016, 04:49:54 PM
 :coolio :coolio :coolio

Ridley Scott wants " Alien : Covenant " - the sequel to Prometheus to be " A Hard R " rating.

" The chest burster scene in the original Alien ? I want it to be worse ".
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Post by: Phoenix87x on January 15, 2016, 06:17:16 PM
I didn't like Prometheus, but as an Alien fanatic, I definitely will be watching Covenant.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2016, 06:18:46 PM
He's going the Avatar route of doing 4 films instead of just making the first movie ( Prometheus ) the first movie.

Why 3 sequels ?
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Post by: Pragmaticcircus on January 15, 2016, 07:20:37 PM
He's going the Avatar route of doing 4 films instead of just making the first movie ( Prometheus ) the first movie.

Why 3 sequels ?

Doesn't make a lot of sense unless:
A) He is doing once of those fancy four part "trilogies" like a lot of movie series today
B) He has some grand plan that will only fit in 4 movies?
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Post by: TioJorge on January 15, 2016, 10:34:19 PM
I'm not sure how that doesn't make sense... It's just another set of movies. It's a tetralogy instead of a trilogy. Pretty simple. He wanted to put his story into four movies instead of three. This...isn't anything new.

 :huh:
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Post by: orcus116 on January 15, 2016, 10:43:22 PM
Well no one really demanded or wanted an origin story so to see a long series just pushed upon people can make the majority of us just go "eeehhhh, well if you really want to I suppose". Also Ridley Scott doesn't have the best track record of editing in his movies so unless there's another production team involved it'll be another "....well the Directors Cut is better!" type movie.
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Post by: TioJorge on January 15, 2016, 11:20:49 PM
Well jeez, you make it sound like he's forcing you to watch it.  :lol "Pushed upon people"? Yeesh. Whatevs *shrug* People don't need to 'demand' or 'want' much of anything when it comes to someone wanting to create something whether it be a movie, game, album... anything, really. He, the creator, wanted an origin story, so he's making it. Watch it, don't watch it...no sweat off my sack. I'm just here for the aliens, bro.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 16, 2016, 02:03:18 AM
I liked Prometheus. I'm really excited for this.

Also, this is going to be four movies? Haven't heard anything about that  :huh:
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 16, 2016, 04:01:14 AM
I liked Prometheus. I'm really excited for this.

Also, this is going to be four movies? Haven't heard anything about that  :huh:

Prometheus.
Alien : Covenant
?
?

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Post by: DT_12_Octavarium on January 20, 2016, 10:53:20 AM
As long as Damon Lindelof is not involved with this franchise I'm in. Prometheus was a beautiful disaster, featuring some of the worst writing I have ever seen in a big budget movie.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 20, 2016, 10:55:50 AM
No Lindelof.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2316204/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

John Logan is a pretty good writer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Logan_(writer)
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Post by: DT_12_Octavarium on January 20, 2016, 10:57:08 AM
This may be a good movie after all!
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Post by: BlackInk on January 20, 2016, 11:02:30 AM
featuring some of the worst writing I have ever seen in a big budget movie.

Most definetely not. It wasn't the best ever, but really really far from the worst.

John Logan is a pretty good writer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Logan_(writer)

Impressive resume. I'm sure he'll do a good job.
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Post by: DT_12_Octavarium on January 20, 2016, 11:20:07 AM
featuring some of the worst writing I have ever seen in a big budget movie.

Most definetely not. It wasn't the best ever, but really really far from the worst.


Why does a scientist blissfully ignore evolution because "she chooses to believe" that one alien man on earth drank some black goo that somehow led to all life on earth

The cartologist had one job, to map out the ship with the help of his "pups" so how in the world does he get lost? Like he should be the last person to get lost.

Why does the biologist freak out over a dead carcass but decides to interact with an alien snake with massive teeth?

When the crew first comes out of hyper sleep, they introduce themselves. How have they not already met, or have any idea what the mission objectives are?

Why does the robot betray the humans? What purpose would that serve? And how would the old man know that the black goo would even exist? ("He says to keep trying..")

Why does nobody react when the alien is removed from the girls stomach? Also, why is the machine designed specifically for males ( I think it's because they didn't want to say abortion)

Why did the old man conceal his presence on the ship for so long? He paid for the ship and the mission, even if his intention was a quest for immortality, he still calls the shots.

Why does everyone decide to TAKE THEIR HELMETS OFF when they are inside an alien ship on an alien planet?


I could go on and on. The writing for Prometheus was awful and full of inconstancies.  Like I said, it was a beautiful disaster
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 20, 2016, 11:28:40 AM
The male-centric med pod was for Weyland.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 20, 2016, 11:31:46 AM
Yeah, some of those were obvious plot holes, but others were explained and addressed.  The plot definitely had its problems.  But as already said, it is far from the worst.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 20, 2016, 11:33:01 AM
Yeah yeah, you can honest trailer this movie to pieces but "some of the worst writing I have ever seen in a big budget movie"? Just no.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 20, 2016, 11:39:23 AM
Boiled down -

Engineer sacrificed himself to break down his DNA to create life so that they could come back later and impregnate them with the bio liquid to breed Alien Weapons...

OR they really were just benevolent creators but after humans couldn't get along - they planned to come back and use us to make Alien Weapons.

They left clues for us to come find them - possibly when we had learned to get along and go meet them.

Weyland wants more life as he is almost dead.

Yadda Yadda - lots of unanswered stuff.

They wake the engineer - he observes at first - but then David says Weyland just wants to live longer and sees Shaw get beaten and realises humans have not improved at all.

He sets off to Earth to complete their plan.

That's the broad strokes I think. . . I just wish the middle wan't just a load of setups with no resolutions.
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Post by: DT_12_Octavarium on January 20, 2016, 11:43:28 AM
Instead of saying the worst, I should have said disapponting. I'm a huge alien fanboy and was really excited when this movie was first announced. I just found it incredibly underwhelming. The whole time I was watching it I kept thinking "this is seriously the story they wanted to tell?" It left far too many questions unanswered, but this IMO was because the original script underwent the Lindelof treatment. The guy taints almost everything he touches.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 20, 2016, 11:52:51 AM
Apparently it was Damon Lindelof who pushed for Khan in Into Darkness.

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Post by: BlackInk on January 20, 2016, 12:20:31 PM
That it leaves questions unanswered is unfair critisism in my opinion, and one that never even crossed my mind until I saw the internet's reaction. I mean, it certainly does leave things unanswered, but I always thought it obvious that it set things up to answered in future movies, which is completely fine by me.

The guy taints almost everything he touches.

Except for The Leftovers, which is brilliant.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 20, 2016, 12:30:21 PM
Alien Covenant is set several years after Prometheus.

Why would they explain what the green crystal in the head room was and what the giant head was ?

I doubt everything will be explained.

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Post by: BlackInk on January 20, 2016, 01:16:00 PM
Which is also fine. Does that green stone matter? As far as I can tell, it affected the plot in absolutely no way. Can't that, among a few other things, just be a cool detail? I don't need all info about everything on screen.
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 20, 2016, 01:18:47 PM
Yeah it doesn't matter but Holloway went over and looked at it and the camera showed it.

It's like Chekov's gun. Obviously not everything little thing has to come back later but they made a point of showing it is all.
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Post by: orcus116 on January 20, 2016, 04:14:23 PM
That it leaves questions unanswered is unfair critisism in my opinion, and one that never even crossed my mind until I saw the internet's reaction. I mean, it certainly does leave things unanswered, but I always thought it obvious that it set things up to answered in future movies, which is completely fine by me.

Maybe I missed something in the movie but it never set itself up to have an obvious sequel or sequels since it was presented as a very singular entity despite some Alien callbacks. I supposed we're just in an age where if you have a blockbuster everyone just expects that another sequel is coming to answer everything. I remember when District 9 came out and everyone thought the "see you in 3 years" or whatever the line was was an obvious sign that a sequel was coming even though the movie completely wrapped itself up.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 20, 2016, 04:22:45 PM
Maybe I missed something in the movie but it never set itself up to have an obvious sequel or sequels since it was presented as a very singular entity despite some Alien callbacks.

Really??  It ended with Shaw saying she wanted to get answers, and her and David flying off to find the Engineers' home world.  And there were all kinds of loose ends left unresolved, at least some of which are obviously meant to be dealt with in the follow up films. 
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Post by: orcus116 on January 20, 2016, 04:25:38 PM
I vaguely remember that, although I cared so little for the characters I guess the story had reached its conclusion in my mind.
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Post by: bosk1 on August 16, 2017, 09:30:31 AM
With Alien: Covenant set to release on home video soon, articles are beginning to surface again.

This one is really cool, but very spoilery in terms of some REALLY meaty stuff revealed in bonus features:  https://screenrant.com/alien-covenant-deleted-scenes-explained-david-shaw-xenomorph-creation/

This one is cool in terms of Cameron's thoughts on the last film:  https://screenrant.com/alien-covenant-james-cameron-ridley-scott/

But I did find this statement a little off-base:

Quote
I thought that Alien: Covenant was a great ride. It was beautiful. I love Ridley’s films, I love his filmmaking; I love the beauty of the photography. I love the visceral sense that you’re that, that you’re present. It’s not a film that I would have made. I hope I’m not spoiling this for anybody, but I don’t like films where you invest in a character and they get destroyed at the end. So, I would not have made that film.

Uh...

(https://i.imgur.com/IIRqdcj.gif)

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Post by: Bolsters on August 16, 2017, 09:41:55 AM
Not to mention  (https://i.imgur.com/P9Hlf8y.gif)
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Post by: Phoenix87x on August 16, 2017, 09:42:48 AM
And Let's also not forget




(https://www.therobotspajamas.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/kyle-reese-dead-e1438701466254.jpg)
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Post by: bosk1 on August 16, 2017, 09:49:15 AM
:lol  Good point.

EDIT:  Oh, and:

(https://i.imgur.com/P9Hlf8y.gif)

Added
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 17, 2017, 05:02:35 AM
Yes, but what is the code ??

:bolsters:
:immelting:
:ohwhataworld:
:astalavista:
:terminator2:

Five strikes and I'm out.