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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: senecadawg2 on August 19, 2011, 11:11:28 AM
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Maybe this has already been done, but i don't see anything...
So I was just driving home from work with Falling Into Infinity blasting on maximum volume. Needless to say, I had forgotten how much I loved Trial of Tears. The mood it creates is astounding, John Petrucci is wonderful, Myung's lyrics are beautiful and poetic, and I think JLB's vocals sound as good as ever on that track. I had major chills when the acoustic guitar strumming kicked in and the 'wasteland' section began. I was then forced to tears as it climaxed once again.
All in all, this is without a doubt my favorite from FII, and also a top 10 song for me, maybe even top 5 if I'm in the right mood. Songs with Myung lyrics are some of my favorites (LTL coming in at 3 overall), and listening to this gem of a track just makes me more excited about Breaking All Illusions.
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Top 5 song. It's better than anything they've written since 1990.
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have you listened to the once in a livetime version of it? if you havent , i highly recommend it. it sounds way better then the original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEEibr2XAEE
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Once in a Livetime doesn't sound better than the original for anything.
The Budokan version however, is at least on par with the original. JLB sings really good on that particular song, and improvises some nice melodies, and the lead-in to the acoustic section gives me chills.
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Maybe this has already been done, but i don't see anything...
I think it has been done before, but this song is so awesome, we can never have enough threads about it. :tup :tup
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Top 1 for me.
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Dereks keyboard solo on this song is one of my fav DT solos.
Amazing song overall :hefdaddy
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Not one of my absolute favourites, but a solid Top 20.
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Once in a Livetime doesn't sound better than the original for anything.
The Budokan version however, is at least on par with the original. JLB sings really good on that particular song, and improvises some nice melodies, and the lead-in to the acoustic section gives me chills.
Not to mention JR's solo, which I like fairly better than Derek's (the original is very good as well, though!).
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Once in a Livetime doesn't sound better than the original for anything.
The Budokan version however, is at least on par with the original. JLB sings really good on that particular song, and improvises some nice melodies, and the lead-in to the acoustic section gives me chills.
Not to mention JR's solo, which I like fairly better than Derek's (the original is very good as well, though!).
I love them both. :tup
Jordan plays the memorable half closely, then does his own style for the second half, but the way he holds that last note and just wails that note so smoothly over the soft acoustic makes such a great transition.
Damn, now I want to watch it again.
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Top 5 song. It's better than anything they've written since 1990.
Interesting comment...either it's your top DT song or if not then everything you consider better is from WDADU.
ToT is my #3 DT song and I consider it an 11 on a scale of 1-10.
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My 2nd favorite DT song. In the top 50 thread I detail why I love it and everything.
How it's even possible to forget that you loved the track is beyond me....
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yeah dude, it's one of those songs I really love, but flies under my radar alot. im not sure why.
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Anyone else has orgasms at the keyboard sounds behind JP's solo and at the beginning of Wasteland?
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Awesome song, top 5 for me probably. The Budokan version is incredible too. :hefdaddy
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This song has grown on me. I freakin' love it.
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It's the most "meh" epic by DT that i have heard.
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Love it. Top 5 for sure. The chorus has my favorite DT drum beat ever, and I think its John Myungs best lyrics.
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I love it. Love the intro of it on Schmedley Wilcox too!
Absolutely adore "The Wasteland" section. I used to listen to it non-stop walking around playing Fallout in the Wasteland. I found ashes, nothing but ashes.
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Absolutely fantastic song, and a top 5 DT song for me as well. Love every aspect of it.
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One of my favorite DT songs. And the Budokan version is great too.
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Yeah, i forgot to say it... but I love "The Wasteland". #2 Dream Theater section of all time (hence my nickname)
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It's the most "meh" epic by DT that i have heard.
yeah but i mean, what qualifies a song as an epic? if Trial is an epic, then i still think its easily better than 8v. that being said, when it's compared to true DT epics like ACOS, it isn't as good.
So, if it IS an epic, its alright.
If it isnt, then it's one of DT's best songs.
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Beautiful song, just otherworldly.
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Personally I think a song's an epic if it's epic.
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Amazing song! Easily in my Top 10, probably in my Top 5.
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A song shouldn't be judged differently depending on whether or not it's an "epic", which in itself is a made up term with no real definitions.
But back on topic, top ten song, possibly top five.
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3rd favorite DT song. Absolutely beautiful.
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It's awesome. I consider it one of those tribute to Rush DT songs. Lots of Rush influence and Rush just happens to be my all-time favorite band. :tup
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Personally I think a song's an epic if it's epic.
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Personally I think a song's an epic if it's epic.
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My intro to this song was the Budakon version. It made me really appreciate DT, and what they do. This song alone made me buy Budakon.
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yeah but i mean, what qualifies a song as an epic? if Trial is an epic, then i still think its easily better than 8v. that being said, when it's compared to true DT epics like ACOS, it isn't as good.
How is 8V not a "true" DT epic if ACOS is?
This is why I hate the term epic. It's just an arbitrary, useless, meaningless term.
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My intro to this song was the Budakon version. It made me really appreciate DT, and what they do. This song alone made me buy Budakon.
Is it a bootleg? Haven't heard of it.
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Top 5 song. It's better than anything they've written since 1990.
I would only place 1 song released after FII higher than Trial of Tears. Top 5 song for me too.
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I've always wondered what the lyrics for this song meant. Coul someone post an answer to this?
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It's the most "meh" epic by DT that i have heard.
While you suffer that, some of us choose to live gracefully and enjoy the song for all its worth.
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masterpiece!
Once in a Livetime doesn't sound better than the original for anything.
The Budokan version however, is at least on par with the original. JLB sings really good on that particular song, and improvises some nice melodies, and the lead-in to the acoustic section gives me chills.
and this.
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The Wasteland is a great ending but the instrumental section of the song is extremely boring and the first part has some cool vocal melodies, but that's it. Lines In The Sand is a much better song.
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The Wasteland is a great ending but the instrumental section of the song is extremely boring and the first part has some cool vocal melodies, but that's it. Lines In The Sand is a much better song.
lolno
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Effing brilliant song....love the begining thats sounds very"Xanadu"...with hints of U2 when the song gets going.As for the guitar+keyboard solos,what can i say apart from stunning...JP's solo in particular very Mcalpine/Vai. ;)
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I definitely prefer LITS, but ToT is one of my favourite DT songs.
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Definitely Top 10 material, if not higher. Fantastic, no weak points whatsoever.
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Not one of my absolute favourites, but a solid Top 20.
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It's the most "meh" epic by DT that i have heard.
some of us choose to live gracefully
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Reviving this thread! Thought it was better than making a new one.
Just been going through recent footage of DT shows on the Youtubes and noticed that they have replaced the intro to Trial of Tears with a very cool new jam.
https://youtu.be/ey3tIypNSfE
Very unlike ANYTHING I have heard DT do before and many emotions were felt. (Reminded me more of an LTE jam) Just thought i'd share as I think it's much nicer than the usual Xanadu inspired intro
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They did this both nights in Argentina too, there was a bit of discussion about it on the BTFW thread. ;D
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Trial Of Tears > > > > Scarred.
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Reviving this thread! Thought it was better than making a new one.
Just been going through recent footage of DT shows on the Youtubes and noticed that they have replaced the intro to Trial of Tears with a very cool new jam.
https://youtu.be/ey3tIypNSfE
Very unlike ANYTHING I have heard DT do before and many emotions were felt. (Reminded me more of an LTE jam) Just thought i'd share as I think it's much nicer than the usual Xanadu inspired intro
Yep...I saw them in Rio last night and they played it like that, with the jam into. MUCH better than just quoting Xanadu like they did 1000 times already, and the jam has a Marillion feel which I really enjoy.
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Reviving this thread! Thought it was better than making a new one.
Just been going through recent footage of DT shows on the Youtubes and noticed that they have replaced the intro to Trial of Tears with a very cool new jam.
https://youtu.be/ey3tIypNSfE
Very unlike ANYTHING I have heard DT do before and many emotions were felt. (Reminded me more of an LTE jam) Just thought i'd share as I think it's much nicer than the usual Xanadu inspired intro
Holy smokes! That intro jam was awesome!! :metal Happy to see them doing stuff like this again!
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Dereks keyboard solo on this song is one of my fav DT solos.
Amazing song overall :hefdaddy
The rhythm guitar guitar on that solo is fantastic too, very groovy/funky stuff, rare to hear JP doing that these days.
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It's the most "meh" epic by DT that i have heard.
I guess you haven't heard Illumination Theory yet. :lol
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Best DT song ever, and the BTFW version just cemented that fact for me. Everything about this song is ridiculously perfect.
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It's the most "meh" epic by DT that i have heard.
I guess you haven't heard A Change Of Seasons yet. :lol
FTFY :hat
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Dereks work on this song is some of the best keyboard work of any DT song, ever.
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it's better than Stairway to Heaven!
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it's better than Stairway to Heaven!
Definitely way more original.
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It's the most "meh" epic by DT that i have heard.
I guess you haven't heard In the Presence of Enemies yet. :lol
FTFY :hat
Awful lot of typos going around lately. :coolio
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it's better than Stairway to Heaven!
Definitely way more original.
Yeah, because in 1997 there weren't as many prog influences and icons like in 1971.
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Just listened to it today and it finally clicked! I love this song very much. Petrucci and Sherinian's back to back solo is just wonderful to listen too. Words can't describe how much I love this song and LOVE Labrie also very much here. Gosh, it finally dawns upon me that thing is Myung's best song and the best song in the album.
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I love all JM's songs so it's nearly impossible for me to rank them but I will say James does a great job here. I do prefer Jordan's interpretations of the keyboard solo as well as MM's drum parts (all the stereo hi-hat work on BTFW is really cool). Plus, the extended intro jam they did for part of the last tour is also really fun to listen to.
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Trial of Tears, Lines in the sand, Raise the knife. We need these song all live again, once they're done with the concept album tour.
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DT at its best. This is one of my favorite one two punches of their catalogue as I think Anna lee is criminally underrated as well.
Trial of tears is one of those dream theater songs that you wish would never end. The instrumental breakdown wanders aimlessly but the production and mix is so good that it doesn't even matter, I want it to go on forever. I wish they would go back to making epics like this that breath and don't need to rely on a huge power chord at the beginning to make it sound epic... Like moment of betrayal.
Myung is very present in the mix here and it's a pleasure to listen to. Great song!
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DT at its best. This is one of my favorite one two punches of their catalogue as I think Anna lee is criminally underrated as well.
Trial of tears is one of those dream theater songs that you wish would never end. The instrumental breakdown wanders aimlessly but the production and mix is so good that it doesn't even matter, I want it to go on forever. I wish they would go back to making epics like this that breath and don't need to rely on a huge power chord at the beginning to make it sound epic... Like moment of betrayal.
Myung is very present in the mix here and it's a pleasure to listen to. Great song!
Moment of Betreyal isn't an epic though... and it doesn't begin with a power chord. I do like Trial of Tears a lot though, probably one of their best songs (though I'd say that about like 25 DT songs).
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DT at its best. This is one of my favorite one two punches of their catalogue as I think Anna lee is criminally underrated as well.
Trial of tears is one of those dream theater songs that you wish would never end. The instrumental breakdown wanders aimlessly but the production and mix is so good that it doesn't even matter, I want it to go on forever. I wish they would go back to making epics like this that breath and don't need to rely on a huge power chord at the beginning to make it sound epic... Like moment of betrayal.
Myung is very present in the mix here and it's a pleasure to listen to. Great song!
Ok my bad I forgot the quiet intro... once that ends they do the same boring "epic" sounding chord to make it sound big. That is something that seems to have come with their later albums and IMO its just lazy songwriting.
Moment of Betreyal isn't an epic though... and it doesn't begin with a power chord. I do like Trial of Tears a lot though, probably one of their best songs (though I'd say that about like 25 DT songs).
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Ok my bad I forgot the quiet intro... once that ends they do the same boring "epic" sounding chord to make it sound big. That is something that seems to have come with their later albums and IMO its just lazy songwriting.
I wouldn't call it lazy songwriting considering 1. it doesn't even happen as much as you think it does, 2. there aren't a ton of ways to suddenly make a big, dramatic entrance after a soft intro like that and 3. a song doesn't hinge on one single idea being unique, it's all about execution and while (for example) OtBoA, BtV and MoB all use huge chords following a quiet section, all have a very different feel and sound to them.
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Yeah, still DT's best song ever. I don't listen to DT a lot anymore, but this is one of the few songs of theirs that I can put on anytime and always enjoy. Definitely one of my Top 10 songs of all time.
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Out of any DT song, I'd love to hear Devin Townsend sing this one. He could fit some screams in there and his classic operatic style :angel:
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Was driving home in the snow yesterday and felt compelled to play Trial of Tears. Even though it's not "Trial of Snow", it still felt right. :hat
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Out of any DT song, I'd love to hear Devin Townsend sing this one. He could fit some screams in there and his classic operatic style :angel:
:o I just thought of him singing it and got chills. I can imagine he'd up the intensity of singing the chorus and by the end he's screaming. I wonder if we can crowdfund to get him to do this. :biggrin:
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Out of any DT song, I'd love to hear Devin Townsend sing this one. He could fit some screams in there and his classic operatic style :angel:
:o I just thought of him singing it and got chills. I can imagine he'd up the intensity of singing the chorus and by the end he's screaming. I wonder if we can crowdfund to get him to do this. :biggrin:
That would be the most “DT” thing ever...
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Listening to FII just now, and this song is truly magical. If I had to pick a top performance by everyone in the band, this one would be near the top of the list for everyone. Yet it’s not a wank-fest or anything. It all just fits together perfectly and the sound is so deep and warm. The lyrics are perfect too. Love it.
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Listening to FII just now, and this song is truly magical. If I had to pick a top performance by everyone in the band, this one would be near the top of the list for everyone. Yet it’s not a wank-fest or anything. It all just fits together perfectly and the sound is so deep and warm. The lyrics are perfect too. Love it.
Agreed. Top (3) DT song ever for me. Love it....the Budakon live version is my favorite.
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For me, TOT is one of DT's more overrated songs. It's good -- with a couple sections that are great -- and probably the best song on the band's worst album, but it's probably at the very bottom of the list of best songs on a DT album and nowhere near a top 25 for me.
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probably the best song on the band's worst album
Nailed it.
Great song, though.
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One of DT's all-time best imo. I never turn this one off when it comes on shuffle.
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I actually like the “Live at Budokan” version better. Seems to have a better “atmosphere” and for some reason I don’t like LaBrie’s performance on the studio recording or it might be the vocal effects. He honestly sounds stronger at Budokan.
There’s also some weird studio effect on Petrucci’s guitar solo that someone should have, kindly, pulled the plug on lol. FII is one of their best sounding albums but I think this song in particular might have been a bit “overproduced”? Budokan is cleaner, stripped down and better for it in my opinion.
Good performance by Portnoy, Myung (they definitely got the bass sound right on this album), and Sherinian, though!
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For me, TOT is one of DT's more overrated songs. It's good -- with a couple sections that are great -- and probably the best song on the band's worst album, but it's probably at the very bottom of the list of best songs on a DT album and nowhere near a top 25 for me.
As an FII lover, it’s close to Lines in the Sand for best song on the album for me (after stuff like Hell’s Kitchen, Hollow Years, and Take Away My Pain, which are all favorites).
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On the subject of the album itself, I actually like it quite a bit. It's got a few stinkers imho (You not Me, Just Let Me Breathe) and the production sound is kind of soft, but on the whole I like it a lot.
But the crown of the album is certainly Trial of Tears. It is an AMAZING song. And I consider it one of DT's perfect, or near perfect compositions. I just can't see anything wrong with it at all.
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On the subject of the album itself, I actually like it quite a bit. It's got a few stinkers imho (You not Me, Just Let Me Breathe) and the production sound is kind of soft, but on the whole I like it a lot.
But the crown of the album is certainly Trial of Tears. It is an AMAZING song. And I consider it one of DT's perfect, or near perfect compositions. I just can't see anything wrong with it at all.
I do love the sound of FII overall. The weak spots (IMO) are You Not Me (much prefer You Or Me), Burning My Soul, and Just Let Me Breath, and then I could take or leave Peruvian Skies. There was so much great material produced during those sessions, and unfortunately they left off several of the best tracks from the session (Raise the Knife, The Way It Used To Be, and Speak to Me especially). It would have been better as a double album or if they had just picked the right songs to feature.
But as it is, I love most of the album and consider it my favorite DT album alongside Awake.
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On the subject of the album itself, I actually like it quite a bit. It's got a few stinkers imho (You not Me, Just Let Me Breathe) and the production sound is kind of soft, but on the whole I like it a lot.
But the crown of the album is certainly Trial of Tears. It is an AMAZING song. And I consider it one of DT's perfect, or near perfect compositions. I just can't see anything wrong with it at all.
I do love the sound of FII overall. The weak spots (IMO) are You Not Me (much prefer You Or Me), Burning My Soul, and Just Let Me Breath, and then I could take or leave Peruvian Skies. There was so much great material produced during those sessions, and unfortunately they left off several of the best tracks from the session (Raise the Knife, The Way It Used To Be, and Speak to Me especially). It would have been better as a double album or if they had just picked the right songs to feature.
But as it is, I love most of the album and consider it my favorite DT album alongside Awake.
I agree with everything you just said. On my phone I have a modified playlist of the album which ommits parts from the studio album and adds parts from the demo series. And I love it!
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I am wayyyyy in the minority here, but FII is my second favorite DT album (6 Degrees is first), and Trial of Tears is my favorite song off of the record.
I've loved it since the day it came out, but as I've gotten older, I keep coming back to it, while albums like TOT I rarely revisit.
I know many fans prefer the 'metal' side of the band, but to me, FII showcases an excellent balance of everything they'd done up to that point (basically blending I&W with Awake).
To that point, while there was little on D/T that I ever plan to revisit (again, I recognize that I am in the vast minority here), my playlist combining FII with the additional songs from the bootleg is the only thing I still routinely visit from DT. Great stuff!
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I'm a metal guy, but I actually don't prefer the Metal side of the band. I can get my metal in so many other places.
That said, I think FII is really weak, but Trial Of Tears is absolutely amazing.
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I think that Falling Into Infinity is a good album, it ranks around #10-11 in my DT album ranking. Trial of Tears is probably the best song on the album, even though I don't consider it to be top tier.
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I am wayyyyy in the minority here, but FII is my second favorite DT album (6 Degrees is first), and Trial of Tears is my favorite song off of the record.
I've loved it since the day it came out, but as I've gotten older, I keep coming back to it, while albums like TOT I rarely revisit.
I know many fans prefer the 'metal' side of the band, but to me, FII showcases an excellent balance of everything they'd done up to that point (basically blending I&W with Awake).
To that point, while there was little on D/T that I ever plan to revisit (again, I recognize that I am in the vast minority here), my playlist combining FII with the additional songs from the bootleg is the only thing I still routinely visit from DT. Great stuff!
FII is better than most of their post-8V material... FII rules.
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FII beats The Astonishing, WDADU and self-titled. It's pretty much equal with Distance Over Time imo.
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My favorite on FII, which as anyone who has read my posts knows, I consider to be a really good record. Top-5 in DT catalog.