The BBC series in present time, amazing series, loving it. :corn
The BBC series in present time, amazing series, loving it. :corn
ZFG. Is it playing on BBC America?
Just saw this series over the past couple of days on Netflix. I abolutely LOVE this show. I was radically bummed out to learn that there are only three episodes to watch. I cannot wait to see more of this incredible series. Very well acted, directed and the stories are crafted very, very well. Cumberbatch is an amazing Holmes. Best Sherlock Holmes depiction I have seen in a long, long time, and the modern aspect makes it that much more richer in my opinion. Kudos to the BBC in this one. I give it four stars. I'd give it five, but there are only three shows damnit!! :biggrin:As of six hours ago, there are actually four episodes! And there'll be six by January 15th.
ohhh is it online somewhere? we don't get it here, i need to find it.
Might have to give this a shot. I really liked the first movie from a few years ago, but definitely want to see the show.
yea the first one was really good, the next is the hound of the baskervilles right?
This show is fantastic. Finally got around to watching it, and man, it's amazing.
The difference is Moffat also wrote all those pieces being laid out. Steven Thompson wrote this episode.His responsibility's shared with Gatiss, (supposedly this is in part to help train Gatiss up should Moffat leave the Doctor Who post) but they'll have very much told Stephen Thompson precisely where they wanted the characters to end up. They wouldn't let their only guest writer define such a gamechanging story-arc by himself. Thompson's probably the one who made it brilliant, with Pentonville and the crown jewels and Rich Brook, but the outcome of the narrative - the places Holmes, Watson and Moriarty end up - will, I'd presume, have been given to him.
My point is, I doubt he has as much creative control over the death as he did with DW.
You have to wait until May then. :'(Well!
Man, that was great.
SPOILERS
So many things that might helped him. Was Moriarty in on it? He did copy Sherlock's appearance before. Adler? They've had experience faking deaths. Homeless network? Obviously Molly has to be involved because Sherlock needed her. And for some reason I feel like the biker that knocked down John at the end is significant as well.
I guess we'll know in time whether Moffat can redeem himself in how he gets around a main character's death. (Yeah, I wasn't too impressed by that DW finale)
MEGASPOILY SPECULATION AHOYYou have to wait until May then. :'(Well!
Man, that was great.
SPOILERS
So many things that might helped him. Was Moriarty in on it? He did copy Sherlock's appearance before. Adler? They've had experience faking deaths. Homeless network? Obviously Molly has to be involved because Sherlock needed her. And for some reason I feel like the biker that knocked down John at the end is significant as well.
I guess we'll know in time whether Moffat can redeem himself in how he gets around a main character's death. (Yeah, I wasn't too impressed by that DW finale)
Molly's the lady of the morgue, and she knew Sherlock, so she'd be able to identify his corpse, no questions asked. Or, if necessary, misidentify it. Likewise, when Watson was knocked down, it was to prevent him from getting a clear look. He was concussed, unable to see anything other than what he was expecting to see. Plus, to give it context, they were standing on top of the pathology building. He could've been making who knows how many phone calls as he went, and a van went past as he fell.
MEGASPOILY SPECULATION AHOYYou have to wait until May then. :'(Well!
Man, that was great.
SPOILERS
So many things that might helped him. Was Moriarty in on it? He did copy Sherlock's appearance before. Adler? They've had experience faking deaths. Homeless network? Obviously Molly has to be involved because Sherlock needed her. And for some reason I feel like the biker that knocked down John at the end is significant as well.
I guess we'll know in time whether Moffat can redeem himself in how he gets around a main character's death. (Yeah, I wasn't too impressed by that DW finale)
Molly's the lady of the morgue, and she knew Sherlock, so she'd be able to identify his corpse, no questions asked. Or, if necessary, misidentify it. Likewise, when Watson was knocked down, it was to prevent him from getting a clear look. He was concussed, unable to see anything other than what he was expecting to see. Plus, to give it context, they were standing on top of the pathology building. He could've been making who knows how many phone calls as he went, and a van went past as he fell.
My thoughts exactly.
This show is fantastic. Finally got around to watching it, and man, it's amazing.
Loved the episode but could only think of Khan whenever Benedict was speaking. :pAs I mentioned on Twitter, I'm pretty sure that's a flashback. It occurs at that particular moment (a cut in the scene on the train) to leave us in suspense about the bomb. But Sherlock goes there to have a go at Anderson for the Ripper scam, and then tells him a story that is almost certainly not the real way he did it. He even walks away with a smirk on his face once Anderson realises this.
The only thing that confused me was - as Rich already knows - the moment where Sherlock reveals to Anderson how he did it and afterwards it cuts back to John in the train.
Is this actually a flashback or Anderson fantasising about Sherlock visiting him and revealing everything ?
I thought it was brilliant. Watson was so emotionally abused :P
Definitely. :lol The episode was so nicely done in that regard, seeing the way the different characters responded. I love the way Greg Lestrade hugged him!I thought it was brilliant. Watson was so emotionally abused :P
Martin's acting was awesome when he saw Sherlock . It was the perfect mixture of confusion and happiness and anger all at once.
The alternate where both Moriarty and Sherlock were giggling behind the stuffed figure with the Sherlock face on it -- I was rolling! :rollin
The..uhhhh..."after bit" was rather disconcerting... :P
*SPOILER*I can believe it. You rely on the bomb not being seen by anyone. If you couldn't turn it off and you accidentally trigger it, you'd be screwed.
Did anyone else think that the bomb with a handy "off switch" was a little hokey ?
Of course, I know nothing about modern bomb disposal :lol
Sherlock said something about all modern bombs having an off switch. Does this have any basis in reality ?
Seems like it would make bomb disposal a piece of fuckin piss if you can just switch them "off".
The alternate where both Moriarty and Sherlock were giggling behind the stuffed figure with the Sherlock face on it -- I was rolling! :rollin
The..uhhhh..."after bit" was rather disconcerting... :P
I can imagine some people finding it uncomfortable but I bet that Andrew & Benedict were loving it :lol
Another great episode this week! While the dramatic side hasn't so far been quite as great as in the first two series, the character side is the best its ever been and there is some wonderful stuff in this ep.
The dramatic side is still pretty great though, I loved the way the different strands came together at the end.
3 episodes is a ridiculously short series. Even if they are 90 minutes each.
spaced is channel 4, most of their older stuff is up on netflix (at least in the UK it is)
EDIT: Just checked, seems that they haven't put spaced up on netflix. boo hiss etc.
I enjoyed this last one, but not as much as the first. I thought the show should've been more linear. Felt it jumped around too muchThis is a show by Moffat and Gatiss. Don't expect too much linear storytelling. :lol
I enjoyed this last one, but not as much as the first. I thought the show should've been more linear. Felt it jumped around too muchThis is a show by Moffat and Gatiss. Don't expect too much linear storytelling. :lol
Personally I thought it worked so well in this episode. Using the wedding speech as a framing device for the plots, and then bringing it together with the wedding actually being central to the plot after all, was just great.
And Khanberbatch won't be doing another Trek / Fifth Estate Part II : The Wrath Of Assange.
And as soon as it was revealed that the vaults were all in his head - the only logical next step was to shoot him, surely ?Mycroft didn't know that fact.
I just assumed Mycroft would do it.
SPOLIERS
Moriarty could have fired blanks and had a blood pack on the back of his head. Easily done. i didn't think Magnussen was that great as a villain. Too irritating and not scary enough.
And as soon as it was revealed that the vaults were all in his head - the only logical next step was to shoot him, surely ?
I just assumed Mycroft would do it.
All's i'm saying is - If Moriarty is not dead after all then there's plenty of ways to get around it with fake guns etc...It's definitely possible. I thought that when the Reichenbach Fall first aired. We seem him fire and fall and some red liquid come out the back of his head, but that's not proof.
it probably won't happen but the true resolution of TRF could be revealed in S4 to explain how both Sherlock & M survived...Good point. You never know!
My only complaint the reveal about the vaults was too obvious, and I was literally thinking "now you've got to just kill him and it's all fine".I think maybe that says something worrying about how your mind works. :lol
Hmm, weird if true.
But remember, Moffat lies. Don't trust a word he says!
I felt series three was pretty mediocre. Felt a lot like series seven of Doctor Who, which is not a good thing.Oh, you.
I don't think it was quite as meh as Doctor Who. This series iust focused on the characters more, which is what should happen more often in Doctor Who. This series was a bit...fanservicey and maybe a little hostile towards fans at times, but that's Moffat for you. :\
It's still the best TV show I've seen.
GuineaPig, why do you hate (almost) everything once it's been around for more than a couple of years? :lol
GuineaPig, why do you hate (almost) everything once it's been around for more than a couple of years? :lol
Anyone see the theory that Moriarty is the third Homes ?
Of course in A Study IN Pink when John asks him who Moriarty is - Sherlock says : " I've got no idea " ...
I can't see what it would bring to the story if it was his brother. So what? He's still a psycopath who needs to be put down or locked away.
Of course in A Study IN Pink when John asks him who Moriarty is - Sherlock says : " I've got no idea " ...The whole "Jim from IT" thing would just make absolutely no sense if Moriarty was his brother.
But then he never mentioned that Mycroft was his brother either.
That must have been the yearly content update from Apple. One new feature per year, 1000$ for the convenience :D:lol
So is Sherlock funded by Mycroft or is his whole family just wealthy ?It's pretty implied that his family is wealthy. He's never needed to be paid for anything (so regardless of his Macbooks, how else woud be pay rent, bills, etc?).
:lol the other day I actually heard two people trying to text each other - but with their VOICES. WHAT THE SHIT ? ? :lolThat sounds awesome! Voice typing is far from perfect, and you have to wait a while for a response. If they were right there they would hear what you said without it having to be interpreted by your phone, and they could respond right away. Copyright it quick before it catches on!
They were trying to make the sounds of the words themselves.. haha... just text each other man.. ffs...
I see, some kind of scam where they want us to actually pay to own it now. Outrageous!BBC are looking to change the iPlayer approach later this year so that programmes will be available for 30 days as standard, rather than 7 days. Not sure what that'll mean for its DVD releases - whether they will happen a bit later (as they usually come out very soon after the programme has aired) or whether they'll just have a few weeks' overlap.
"A Scandal in Belgravia" did that for me. It ranked for me the same as savoring the finest steak, or sipping the finest scotch I'd ever had. I've seen that one episode about six times. Flawless story telling imo.
It'll probably turn out there's no Moriarty ( in series 4 ) and they faked it to keep Sherlock in London.
It'll probably turn out there's no Moriarty ( in series 4 ) and they faked it to keep Sherlock in London.That was my interpretation at the time.
Moriarty is amazing, so I really have no problem with him coming back.
OK, I'm way behind the times, but my daughter and I just finished the first season. Great, great stuff. Cumberbatch and Freeman are amazing.Awesome, welcome to the club! Second season is even better in my opinion, enjoy!
Wouldn't Sherlock acknowledge him as such though?Yeah I don't see how that would make any sense. I've heard the theory before, but it wouldn't fit at all in my opinion.
OK, I'm way behind the times, but my daughter and I just finished the first season. Great, great stuff. Cumberbatch and Freeman are amazing.Awesome, welcome to the club! Second season is even better in my opinion, enjoy!
Wouldn't Sherlock acknowledge him as such though?
OK, I'm way behind the times, but my daughter and I just finished the first season. Great, great stuff. Cumberbatch and Freeman are amazing.Awesome, welcome to the club! Second season is even better in my opinion, enjoy!
Yeah, Season 2 is even better than the Season 1 (mainly because it doesn't have The Blind Banker, even though the middle story is, once again, the weakest of the three) - A Scandal in Belgravia and The Reichenbach Fall are two of the best episodes of anything, ever.
The Final Episode of Series 3 with the German memory master..
As soon as he said his vault was in his mind I was like " oh - just shoot him then ".
And they did :p
I don't have a criticism on any episode. I find the entire series has been nothing but awesome!!Basically this. Blind Banker definitely the weakest but it still has a ton of terrific stuff in it. The rest has just been brilliant IMO, particularly the season finales.
I wouldn't go quite that far. The Blind Banker is pretty subpar and The Empty Hearse has some really wonky pacing, but yeah, on the whole, Sherlock is pretty dang amazing.
It's been interesting watching this with my daughter. She just likes the show, but I've actually read all of the original SH stories and novels, so she is constantly asking me to compare the two, or asking if something is legit.
I just started watching this show and I'm 5 episodes in (so almost done with the second season). I'm loving it! Could not stop watching- got through the first season in one night. My only complaint so far is this Moriarty dude- I don't find him very convincing as somebody I should be afraid of. Seems like you guys like him, so maybe there's a good reason for that later in the series, but when he was first introduced as himself in the pool scene I was like "Really? This is the mastermind behind all this?" *shrug*
I just started watching this show and I'm 5 episodes in (so almost done with the second season). I'm loving it! Could not stop watching- got through the first season in one night. My only complaint so far is this Moriarty dude- I don't find him very convincing as somebody I should be afraid of. Seems like you guys like him, so maybe there's a good reason for that later in the series, but when he was first introduced as himself in the pool scene I was like "Really? This is the mastermind behind all this?" *shrug*
The Season 2 finale is basically Moriarty at his very best. Now, I loved in in the Season 1 finale too so your mileage may vary, but don't write him off just yet.
I'm kind of with Jackie on this. He doesn't have any unique defining features as a villain and just kind of comes across as just a typical psychotic guy. He's passable but boring.
I just started watching this show and I'm 5 episodes in (so almost done with the second season). I'm loving it! Could not stop watching- got through the first season in one night. My only complaint so far is this Moriarty dude- I don't find him very convincing as somebody I should be afraid of. Seems like you guys like him, so maybe there's a good reason for that later in the series, but when he was first introduced as himself in the pool scene I was like "Really? This is the mastermind behind all this?" *shrug*
The Season 2 finale is basically Moriarty at his very best. Now, I loved in in the Season 1 finale too so your mileage may vary, but don't write him off just yet.
It might be obvious in retrospect but it was still an shocking twist for me on first viewing.
I've heard people say that before, but I honestly didn't guess what would happen. Maybe I was just so into the story, or I'm just not clever enough.
I've heard people say that before, but I honestly didn't guess what would happen. Maybe I was just so into the story, or I'm just not clever enough.It's not a case of being clever enough - it also depends on assumptions you'll make about different characters, their motivations, and so on. I was also quite taken aback. It certainly wasn't obvious.
Ohh, can't wait to find out wtf you're all talking about! :lol
I'm guessing it will be at the library for me tomorrow.
Just re-watched Season 2.
Wondering what Mark Gatiss meant by " the one clue you all missed " in The Reichenbach Fall.
You repel me ?Repel.
The Reichenbach Fall is my favourite Sherlock episode, so you're in for a treat.I enjoyed it, but TBH, it was probably my least favorite of the episodes I've seen.
Also what did you think of Hounds?
I wouldn't say that it's worse than The Blind Banker, but yeah, it's definitely one of the weaker ones.I agree. Nothing wrong with the episode, it's only in comparison with the others that it seems weak.
Which only serves to show how ridiculously good this show is, I guess.
Last episode was awesome!
I was wondering when the truth was going to come up about Mary (I had a feeling when she was introduced, so I paused it when he was reading her and "liar" and "secret" showed up on the screen).
I agree with Scorpion- this particular villain definitely wins over Moriarty. Gawd, I just wanted to squeeze his face until it imploded. Luckily Sherlock took care of it for me.
Yeah 'His Last Vow' is amazing. The 'memory palace' scene in particular is some of the coolest and forcefully emotional stuff I've ever seen on a show.
W00t! Did anyone else just catch the special episode of Sherlock? What did you think?
I thoroughly enjoyed it!
Here in the U. S. it was broadcast on Masterpiece Mystery on PBS.W00t! Did anyone else just catch the special episode of Sherlock? What did you think?
I thoroughly enjoyed it!
So ticked that my BBC has vanished from my guide. I have no idea why? I haven't changed a thing and it's gone. Must investigate.
Yes it was many women dressed the same. But that didn't really explain why they had to be a cult of feminists.
Seems like it was just Moffatt & Gatiss shoving it in to seem current.
I get the impression this season might be the last. Benedict is getting too big, and Freeman is coming into his own
I'm sure Martin & Benedict both enjoy doing it.Exactly. Both have plenty of opportunities for other work, and yet they keep coming back to this, because they love the roles and the people they work with.
I kind of agree with that. Also, just the way the show is written, I find it very hard to have a strong emotional reaction to anything that happens, because hell, how am I supposed to know if anybody's really dead anyway?
Sherlock and Holmes.
But yeah, I hope she's dead for real, and am glad if they're telling the truth with that.
Also, I really liked the episode, classic Sherlock and I always enjoy watching these characters do anything.
Great episode. Really shocking ending that brought my daughter to tears. :metal
All that sounded really negative. Wasn't meant to.
It was a decent episode, Mid Tier i'd say. It was no Reichenbach falls but it wasn't The Blind banker either ;)
What a bizarre episode so far.
Well, that and the fact that she dies in the books. So I certainly wasn't shocked by it, but the way it was done was still thrilling and pretty intense.All that sounded really negative. Wasn't meant to.
It was a decent episode, Mid Tier i'd say. It was no Reichenbach falls but it wasn't The Blind banker either ;)
Yep. It wasn't the best or the worst. It was just a really good episode. The only thing that detracted from it for me was that I had (correctly) speculated to myself around the time they all were in That Middle Eastern apartment (Iran?) and Sherlock said he needed to get her on his turf to protect her that Mary was going to certainly die....so when she did I wasn't floored by it.
Well, that and the fact that she dies in the books. So I certainly wasn't shocked by it, but the way it was done was still thrilling and pretty intense.All that sounded really negative. Wasn't meant to.
It was a decent episode, Mid Tier i'd say. It was no Reichenbach falls but it wasn't The Blind banker either ;)
Yep. It wasn't the best or the worst. It was just a really good episode. The only thing that detracted from it for me was that I had (correctly) speculated to myself around the time they all were in That Middle Eastern apartment (Iran?) and Sherlock said he needed to get her on his turf to protect her that Mary was going to certainly die....so when she did I wasn't floored by it.
Second episode was bonkers, and brilliant. Loved the way they did a bit of a Mr Robot, showing most of it from Sherlock's perspective so you couldn't tell what was real and what wasn't.
This thread is deader than John Watson's dead wife Mary.
I'm honestly expecting a forth sibling to turn up next week (why does everyone stop at three?). Watson to be dead but Sherlock having conversations with him and maybe a flying car.
The two year gaps between series really kills part of the show IMO. Even with the recaps and such I've almost completely wiped the original viewing of even series 3 from my memory because of how long ago I watched it so it's partially a relearning process with the flashbacks and references to past episodes. I had to ask a coworker who the woman at the end of this last episode was because clearly it was supposed to be a big reveal but I was drawing a blank since it's been years since I saw that episode.
Two posts since mondayIt's only Tuesday. :lol
Also - there's no way a court could ever convict someone based on Photographic memory.
I really miss S1 where it was more about villain of the week - solving smaller crimes which led to an overall mastermind.
..But there was mention of baby sherlock liking the gravestones as a child because the dates didn't add up.
Now 30 odd years later - he solves the code to mean help Me Brother - i'm in my room ?!
What ?? How does that even work ? Did baby Eurus make the gravestones ?
And no, Eurus obviously didn't make the gravestones, she just built her pussle around them.This.
I took it as a young Eros put together the puzzle for Sherlock when they were kiddos because she was jealous of his best friend then....and that, had a young Sherlock figured it out then he'd have saved his little buddy back in the day. Being that he never solved it back then....she just kept the same puzzle in place for him when she used John as the victim this time around. Had he solved it way back when they were young she'd have been in her room then as well.And this.
I thought she only started calling him "drowned redbeard" later on. Creepy though she was as a child, I'm not sure why the Holmes parents would consider that she'd murdered her brother's friend. Clearly if they thought she was capable of that they'd have done something about it (which they did later on when they had her incarcerated).
While not as good as I hoped it would be, I'm not nearly as displeased as you guys seem to be. I liked it, not as much as some other episodes of Sherlock, but I still liked it.
Since I still really enjoyed the season I'm not too hyped to contribute to the negativity, but after some thinking about the final episode I realized my personal biggest issue with it and thought I'd share.
We never really get to see Eurus be a genius. We hear about it, again and again. "She's an era defining genius", "she enslaves everyone she talks to", "it took her only five minutes to do this to us", "she made this clever puzzle", and so on. And sure, she had a long and complicated plan that all worked out, but that was planned years in advance, which is never as cool as displays of intelligence in the moment. Sherlock is at his coolest when he notices all these different things and has to be a genius in the moment, and I'm disappointed after all the Eurus buildup that we never got a moment that showed us how much more of a genius Eurus is. Instead we were just told it over and over, and it's implied all the time.
So that's my biggest problem. There's no big cool villain moment where she really gets to shine. The actress did great, but I'd have loved for the character to have a better show-off moment.
Yeah. How many times do we need to be told things like "Oh, I set that up weeks ago, predicting your every move" with no evidence for it whatsoever?Since I still really enjoyed the season I'm not too hyped to contribute to the negativity, but after some thinking about the final episode I realized my personal biggest issue with it and thought I'd share.
We never really get to see Eurus be a genius. We hear about it, again and again. "She's an era defining genius", "she enslaves everyone she talks to", "it took her only five minutes to do this to us", "she made this clever puzzle", and so on. And sure, she had a long and complicated plan that all worked out, but that was planned years in advance, which is never as cool as displays of intelligence in the moment. Sherlock is at his coolest when he notices all these different things and has to be a genius in the moment, and I'm disappointed after all the Eurus buildup that we never got a moment that showed us how much more of a genius Eurus is. Instead we were just told it over and over, and it's implied all the time.
So that's my biggest problem. There's no big cool villain moment where she really gets to shine. The actress did great, but I'd have loved for the character to have a better show-off moment.
That's kindoff been the problem with SHerlock since the end of series two. We constantly get told Sherlock is a genius but we never actually get shown this anymore.