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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: The Silent Cody on May 19, 2011, 07:34:17 AM
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I've just realised that is in a few days :2metal:
(https://empikmedia.pl/c/khaos-legions-bprod61080751.jpg)
1. Khaos Overture
2. Yesterday Is Dead and Gone
3. Bloodstained Cross
4. Under Black Flags We March
5. No Gods, No Masters
6. City of the Dead
7. Through the Eyes of a Raven
8. Cruelty without Beauty
9. We Are a Godless Entity
10. Cult of Chaos
11. Thorns in My Flesh
12. Turn to Dust
13. Vengeance Is Mine
14. Secrets
15. The Zoo
16. Snow Bound
Arch Enemy studio report pt.1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaCJidBQXIM
Arch Enemy studio report pt.2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hus1cFhHQ8U&feature=relmfu
Arch Enemy studio report pt.3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR-C818UXXM&feature=relmfu
I love this band, it is my second metal favourite bad ass metal band just next to Nevermore and Chimaira. Just want to share with all of you that news, if you don't know, now you you are aware that I think great album is coming ;) Something to fill the waiting for DT11 ;) haha ;) :2metal:
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I wonder if it's out early anywhere.....
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I don't know Man I want the full original release at first ;)I was a little disappointed with Their last records, hope that this is gonna be a killer !! :2metal:
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Their last few albums have been a mixed bag for me. I loved Doomsday Machine, but then Rise of the Tyrant is my least favourite by them (mainly because of the awful mix.) But then I thought they did a great job with The Root of all Evil, really did those old songs justice. I've heard the first single from this album, and it didn't blow me away which is a shame, as the singles are normally some of the best tracks from their albums, but I'll be picking this up anyway :tup
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I will stick to my opinion and I will listen to full album when it will be released anyway ;) no singles ahead;) I'm having good hopes.
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i've listened to their single Yesterday is Dead and Gone. and it was :metal :metal
really looking forward for this album :tup
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i kinda lost interest with Rise of the Tyrant. feel like ive only listened to these guys a combined 4 hours in the past 4 years.
is this their first album since RotT? (other than that rerecording-of-older-songs album)
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Yes, The Root Of All Evil was the last one.
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The new single is pretty good, but definitely nothing new. Doomsday was excellent, and I really enjoyed Tyrant, a lot of great melodies on that one, I never understood the criticism. I'm not really big into them anymore but I will pick this up no doubt, the Amott brothers rip, Chris in particular.
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just finished listening.....it's an "ok" disc
7/10
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Cool, hope to check it out soon.
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I've heard everything from its okay to their bet since Wages...
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Listened to it today, it's a pretty good disc, nothing earth-shattering. I did think it was too long, 16 tracks is a bit much considering they're not really doing anything groundbreaking, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Needs another listen I think. I'll be seeing them at Sonisphere and I'm looking forward to seeing how the new tracks come across live, as when Sigz and I saw them a few months ago even the songs from Rise of the Tyrant (which I don't really like) were injected with more power and were really great
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i had a dream a couple nights back that marco minnemann was the new arch enemy drummer, and i watched a video of him in the studio talking bout the album they were working on, mixed in with some music from said album. and i was REALLY digging it - very experimental and proggy with a bunch of stuff one wouldnt expect outta the A.E. camp.
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One can dream...
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So I've listened to the new single and it feels to me like a bunch of OK sections glue together...
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Well, I must tell you that I'm a little disappointed too, maybe it requires time, I give it another try ;)
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Screw my yesterday's post ! Yesterday Is Dead And Gone !!! :2metal:
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Early verdict- better than Doomsday and Tyrant. Angela sounds great on a few tracks like Bloodstained Cross. Overall very pleased with it. :metal
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Month after release I can say that - the best album since Doomsday Machine. Some really great melodies in here, some great grooves, and Angela is really awesome on this album...really great!! :metal :metal
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New song with new singer. I like this quite a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InRMwptcgAo
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Good choice on the new vocalist, although the song was unfortunately just as generic as the last album. The style is all there, and everything sounds great, but they haven't written anything distinctive in years now. I'll give the whole album a chance because I'm a fan, but I have low expectations after hearing this. I was hoping they'd change it up at least a little.
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I'm not familiar with Arch Enemy at all so forgive me for a potentially dumb comment but I found the vocal almost comical to watch on that video - would there seriously be 5% of her natural voice left after whatever's happened to it in the studio?? Bad lip sync didn't help but it didn't look even vaguely real to me. I could be wrong - it did happen once ;D
Aside from that I thought the song was pretty decent -not my style really but I thought the music was good anyway.
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Good choice on the new vocalist, although the song was unfortunately just as generic as the last album. The style is all there, and everything sounds great, but they haven't written anything distinctive in years now. I'll give the whole album a chance because I'm a fan, but I have low expectations after hearing this. I was hoping they'd change it up at least a little.
The last album was really disappointing. A shame cause I love Rise of the Tyrant. It seems Amott has tried intentionally to go back to a more Anthems and Doomsday style with the arrangements and melodies in this song, but it still sounds like what they have been doing. I do like this more than most of what the last albums delivered though.
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Good choice on the new vocalist, although the song was unfortunately just as generic as the last album. The style is all there, and everything sounds great, but they haven't written anything distinctive in years now. I'll give the whole album a chance because I'm a fan, but I have low expectations after hearing this. I was hoping they'd change it up at least a little.
The last album was really disappointing. A shame cause I love Rise of the Tyrant. It seems Amott has tried intentionally to go back to a more Anthems and Doomsday style with the arrangements and melodies in this song, but it still sounds like what they have been doing. I do like this more than most of what the last albums delivered though.
This sounds pretty much identical to the last album to me, although I only bothered to listen to that once or twice. Very meh.
Rise of the Tyrant and Doomsday Machine both had a mix of great and average tracks for me, and Wages of Sin and Anthems of Rebellion are both excellent.
I don't find this new song or the last album bad in any way, because it's still the same style I love hearing from them, but maybe that's the problem. They've written so many great songs using that formula, that I think it's getting harder to write a new one that stands out as distinctive among those.
They've still got the fast riffs, the guitar melodies/harmonies, growls I enjoy, but it doesn't make me want to headbang and scream like a song such as We Will Rise or I Will Live Again does.
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Fair enough. I do agree perhaps a bit of diversity in what they are putting out wouldn't hurt.
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New album is pretty beast! Had a run through today, really liked War Eternal, As The Pages Burn, Avalanche and the awesome version of Mike Oldfields Shadow Of A Wall.
Will definitly listen some more.
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Gave it one listen, and it was what I expected. I like the title track, but the rest of the album blurs into the same saminess as the last album did. I just tuned out by the end of it.
It's a shame, because the production on these last two albums has been perfect, and I have no problem with Alissa on vocals either. Hopefully on the next album they try something a little bit different.
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I've known of AE for years, as some of my friends listen to them, but haven't become a fan until now. The new album kicks ass :metal
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The verse riff in Down To Nothing is killer!
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I picked it up on the weekend and have had one listen through. It is pretty solid and some great tunes, but as Blob said it does all blur a little like the last one. It's definitely better than Khaos Legions though I think. Mind you it's only one listen.
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Some good drumcam footage of Daniel Erlandsson playing some tunes live:
Under Black Flags we March (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIzYYyW92gk)
Yesterday is Dead and Gone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YEsoE5Eo8M)
War Eternal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eILO7Q_Yzc)
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Has anyone else picked up As the Stages Burn?
War Etermal (Live at Wacken) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5etfIwlRbg
I flipped through the DVD last night - I've been craving a live album with Alissa since she joined the band 3 years ago. It's their headline set from last year's Wacken. Killer stage setup, great sound/video, Jeff Loomis, and.....Alissa kills it, and she looks awesome in those stage outfits as well. :hefdaddy
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Has anyone else picked up As the Stages Burn?
War Etermal (Live at Wacken) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5etfIwlRbg
I flipped through the DVD last night - I've been craving a live album with Alissa since she joined the band 3 years ago. It's their headline set from last year's Wacken. Killer stage setup, great sound/video, Jeff Loomis, and.....Alissa kills it, and she looks awesome in those stage outfits as well. :hefdaddy
I'm probably going to pick this up today if I can find it. Really interested in seeing what Loomis brings to the band.
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I'm not too interested in live albums, so I probably won't get it. Alissa is a great front-person, so I'm sure it will be cool, but from what I've heard in clips, she doesn't quite have the growly power of Gossow.
I'm still surprised that with how long they've been touring, and they haven't swung by Oz yet. They've come here the last few tours, and I'd definitely see them again.
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It's something I'll probably watch on Youtube or something. I've seen some the stuff with sexy blue haired girl and it's good, but it's not Angela. There was a presence, a power, and a impact on stage with Angela and now it's back to being a pretty normal melodic metal band.
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I'm not too interested in live albums, so I probably won't get it. Alissa is a great front-person, so I'm sure it will be cool, but from what I've heard in clips, she doesn't quite have the growly power of Gossow.
I'm still surprised that with how long they've been touring, and they haven't swung by Oz yet. They've come here the last few tours, and I'd definitely see them again.
I picked it up and have listened to a couple of songs in the car and so far, it sounds good, great mix and great hearing Loomis shredding it up in this band. Alissa sounds pretty good, but I agree she is missing something that Angela had, but she's solid enough.
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New song;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk2-bgwA0Ro
Nothing new here.
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New song;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk2-bgwA0Ro
Nothing new here.
That was my thought. One of the youtube comments said that this was a song written before Jeff joined the band. I'm hoping we get more shredding from Jeff on other songs, whether it's solos or riffs. What's the point of having him in the band if you don't let him off the leash sometimes?
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To be honest I first read the comments about that song, then listen to it. I usually listen for the first, then read ;) but anyway, I had a negative approach to that track. But, after two listenings I liked it. I love the breakdown part somewhere in the middle. Main riff is also good. But, I miss Angela too ;) I saw Them live last year in Gdańsk, awesome, really awesome show. To see Loomis shredding live was a great experience for me. Alissa is a good "showman", but Her voice... I don't know, maybe my brain is still stuck to Angela's voice ;) I'm hoping for a strong record from Them \m/
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That chorus is extremely generic. I know I've heard it before, I'll have to think about where.
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New song;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk2-bgwA0Ro
Nothing new here.
That was my thought. One of the youtube comments said that this was a song written before Jeff joined the band. I'm hoping we get more shredding from Jeff on other songs, whether it's solos or riffs. What's the point of having him in the band if you don't let him off the leash sometimes?
I was disappointed with that too. This song was like they took Nemesis and tried to rework it with the structure and such.
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Just figured out what the chorus sounds like:
In Flames - Square Nothing (2:08):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F2tNTIDSkio
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Chorus is pretty meh, but I actually liked the song quite a bit.
And as good as sexy blue haired girl is, it's damn near impossible to top or even match Angela.
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Chorus is pretty meh, but I actually liked the song quite a bit.
And as good as sexy blue haired girl is, it's damn near impossible to top or even match Angela.
Yeah, Gossow is untouchable, although I'm perfectly fine with Alissa's vocals too.
I think the problem at this point is that they've gotten all they can out of the same formula, so most of their recent stuff doesn't stand out to me. There's no reason I shouldn't enjoy it as much, I just don't find the last couple of albums memorable. I didn't mind the title track from War Eternal, but I don't think I listened to the rest of the album more than twice.
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Yea, I think Arch Enemy is one of those bands that is, for some reason, absolutely terrified of changing their sound whatsoever.
It's a shame. Really talented band, not too smart to box themselves in to sex an extent.
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I think the problem at this point is that they've gotten all they can out of the same formula, so most of their recent stuff doesn't stand out to me. There's no reason I shouldn't enjoy it as much, I just don't find the last couple of albums memorable. I didn't mind the title track from War Eternal, but I don't think I listened to the rest of the album more than twice.
Blob, You just read my mind ;) Exactly what I wanted to say, I think that even Khaos Legions isn't so memorable. The Rise Of The Tyrant was mindblowng, but then just as You said - They've stuck in the same formula.
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Another new song. More of the same. Why even have Loomis there, what a waster, WTF?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjF1rmSV1dM
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Another new song. More of the same. Why even have Loomis there, what a waster, WTF?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjF1rmSV1dM
Someone asked Michael in an interview about Jeff's writing contributions and Michael just said something like "well it's my band and I know what the band should sound like." I think he's afraid to have Arch Enemy sound a little different by letting Loomis write and having him come up with some different sounding stuff. But Jeff is great enough to write riffs that fit the band's style. Maybe on the next album he'll get to spread his wings a bit. I was hoping for him to have a chance to write on this one, but it's the first album with him as a band member.
So far, neither of the first two songs have hit me as hard as War Eternal's title track did.
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First track wasn't so bad, it doesn't stuck in my mind, but I have positive feelings about it. Secind track, I didn't hear it yet ;) But, nice surprise. I didn't knew that coming :)
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I really like both of the tracks. As one of the few with a negative opinion of the new Styx (still not sure what you guys see in that), I'm happy to be positive about this one. In terms of long term bands with some lineup changes with albums this year, I really like the new Iced Earth and really like the Arch Enemy through two tracks. Styx (who I loved in their heyday) - still not hearing it.
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I'm not worried about Jeff not writing much, but let the men do some shredding.
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Another shitty generic song. Good thing is now I know I'm not gonna have to waste my time listening to the album.
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At least Alissa is going to use some of Jeff's tunes!
Former NEVERMORE guitarist Jeff Loomis, who joined ARCH ENEMY in late 2014, didn't have any of his songwriting ideas included on the latter band's new album, "Will To Power", but will play a prominent role on Alissa's upcoming disc.
"Jeff didn't write with Michael [Amott, ARCH ENEMY guitarist and main songwriter], because Michael was already writing so well with Daniel [Erlandsson, ARCH ENEMY drummer] that we just actually had too many ideas," White-Gluz told France's Loud TV in a separate interview (see video below). "But all of Jeff's ideas are really good and I've heard them and they're gonna be released, so people will hear them… Jeff is gonna be one of my collaborators on my solo project, because how can you say no to that? [Laughs]"
Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/alissa-white-gluzs-solo-debut-will-feature-collaborations-with-kamelot-arch-enemy-members.html#chlWmd3CaKJbvxaM.99
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At least Alissa is going to use some of Jeff's tunes!
Former NEVERMORE guitarist Jeff Loomis, who joined ARCH ENEMY in late 2014, didn't have any of his songwriting ideas included on the latter band's new album, "Will To Power", but will play a prominent role on Alissa's upcoming disc.
"Jeff didn't write with Michael [Amott, ARCH ENEMY guitarist and main songwriter], because Michael was already writing so well with Daniel [Erlandsson, ARCH ENEMY drummer] that we just actually had too many ideas," White-Gluz told France's Loud TV in a separate interview (see video below). "But all of Jeff's ideas are really good and I've heard them and they're gonna be released, so people will hear them… Jeff is gonna be one of my collaborators on my solo project, because how can you say no to that? [Laughs]"
Read more at https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/alissa-white-gluzs-solo-debut-will-feature-collaborations-with-kamelot-arch-enemy-members.html#chlWmd3CaKJbvxaM.99
Wow, that's some good news! I love Loomis play, and I was very interested how Arch Enemy will look like with Him. But as I can see it doesn't change so much ;) Anyway, the next new song is nothing new. Just another solid, generic Arch Enemy song. I don't say it's bad, I even like it because I like simple straight melodies, but I'm not happy about that Loomis isn't writing with them, just playing.
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I'm hoping her album is good, she looks like shes's bringing in some good people.
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I've warmed up to the two singles. This new track though...this is SLAMMING. A little less of the typical Arch Enemy sound and a killer chugging and galloping main riff.
https://www.revolvermag.com/music/hear-arch-enemys-doomy-new-crusher-first-day-hell
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That's one of the best songs on the album, but still nothing special imo. I've heard that main riff before.
I was bored and listened to the album. It's pretty bad. Generic as fuck. Maybe 2 or 3 decent songs. 4/10
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I'm not an Arch Enemy fan but I'm seeing them and Trivium this fall just because Jeff Loomis is in the band. Can't wait.
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That's one of the best songs on the album, but still nothing special imo. I've heard that main riff before.
I was bored and listened to the album. It's pretty bad. Generic as fuck. Maybe 2 or 3 decent songs. 4/10
Not a good review, but not surprising. The last two didn't stick and I doubt this one will also.
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Based solely on the 3 songs I have heard, they've really run the "Arch Enemy" sound into the ground. I have no idea why they are so terrified of trying something a little different, but for some reason Michael is dead set on being as redundant as possible.
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Reason to Believe actually has singing in it, which I was hoping they'd introduce a bit more of now with Alissa. I wish they'd explored that a little more though. Otherwise very standard stuff. I can still listen to it just fine, I think they've just milked the formula to the point that it's really hard for it to sound distinctive from their older material. It's not bad, but it's no different to their last couple of albums. After Rise of the Tyrant, it's just a blur to me.
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A little bit of pure vocals in Reason To Believe was a surprise for me. The album isn't bad, of course it's nothing new, but it does not affect me. I like Arch Enemy just the way it is. I didn't expect nothing new from them. But the fact is that the albums after Rise Of The Tyrant are very very similar ;)
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The album sounded alright through one listen. The World Is Yours works well for me, and other better songs are on the second half. I really like the main guitar melody of The Eagle Flies Alone, a bit unfortunate the rest isn't that special.
By the way, Saturnine is basically the outro to First Day In Hell with a shared musical theme and a lyrical reference ;)
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Personally, I really like the new album. It may just be more of "the Arch Enemy sound", but that's a sound I like to listen to. :metal
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Personally, I really like the new album. It may just be more of "the Arch Enemy sound", but that's a sound I like to listen to. :metal
That's where I'm at. The first singles seemed like more of the same, but I really warmed up to them, especially The Eagle Flies Alone. I wanted them to experiment a little, and they did - Alissa sings cleanly on one song. I just wish Loomis could have inserted some crushing riffs, but maybe in the future.
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Personally, I really like the new album. It may just be more of "the Arch Enemy sound", but that's a sound I like to listen to. :metal
That's where I'm at. The first singles seemed like more of the same, but I really warmed up to them, especially The Eagle Flies Alone. I wanted them to experiment a little, and they did - Alissa sings cleanly on one song. I just wish Loomis could have inserted some crushing riffs, but maybe in the future.
And that's exactly where I am too ;) I liked that album from the first listen, and even that it has almost nothing new to offer (but it doesn't bother me) the songs are solid, I'll definitly rank it higher than War Eternal or Khaos, time does not worked too well for those two...
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I've had a listen to this album and it's obviously more of the same. Nothing new at all but I guess there's nothing wrong with it.
The only thing I can really say out of it though, is that Loomis is wasting his time and talent being in this band.
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The only thing I can really say out of it though, is that Loomis is wasting his time and talent being in this band.
Agreed totally
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The only thing I can really say out of it though, is that Loomis is wasting his time and talent being in this band.
It's basically his bread and butter, so I can't really blame him. I know he has written music for Alissa's solo album, and he seems to be working on a new solo album of his as well.
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Yeah, I know he's paying the bills being in AE, just wished he was utilised more. Seems like he really has no connection to any of the members or the music IMO. Don't know how I can say that, just get that feel.
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When i heard Loomis joined the band i went and listened to War Eternal. It was an interesting album and all, but he should really be doing his own thing. Escpecially since he's clearly not a huge part in the writing of the new material, which is a huge waste of talent.
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When i heard Loomis joined the band i went and listened to War Eternal. It was an interesting album and all, but he should really be doing his own thing. Escpecially since he's clearly not a huge part in the writing of the new material, which is a huge waste of talent.
Loomis isn't on War Eternal.
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This story is circulating on social media right now: https://www.metalblast.net/blog/how-i-got-banned-from-photographing-arch-enemy/
The band is in damage control mode: instead of admitting they were wrong and apologizing, they've disabled the comments on their Instagram and are frantically deleting FB comments. They couldn't stop the shitstorm on Twitter though, and the responses over there are brutal :lol https://twitter.com/archenemymetal/status/1077941605200527360
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I dunno. I read the whole thing. I kinda side with the band on this one. Guy seemed like a major douche.
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I was kinda on the photographer side, then someone on FB (public post, so you all can read it) gave a different approach and it kinda got my feelings mixed now. Maybe the band wasn't terribly wrong after all:
Read here (https://www.facebook.com/jeremysaffer/posts/10156125858172901?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDjpU-6poF1Cw3bcmM9kFRuPiVpf-EF_L0BeUnMQPgTtLxxNOGsdTkz_z_yehsK7wMM-rraPBSlVl_9o1Ysj_06xfV4TqJavy4H-tubuyP9wdcnbVr7ddUWAqMhc_48nXn69ujyE4HiNxgld2mqugKHjcBEbn-J1BpZ6E78sK2QOL27Tw9BHDep5DvEjIpq5YtvvUCX8mXPnzne4g1ghx9w3wu3BZxfRcoNcEFMBYnsN5K2ZuDBnSWiFR-0HX-2AFsCGWqtxg092yy5H_ebUD6u8fpwpWYCwgC155Cx4r7-i5o_efG6Csy7dNPn1Rh0FdApGNAazSYCIAGI6q2GZ_dJszmhVoVnvBPgUVaPuA&__tn__=H-R)
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I disagree, if the article is basically accurate then the band acted with a huge amount of hypocrisy.
EDIT: Which isn't to say that the guy wasn't also fairly douchey. Both sides acted pretty unprofessionally as far as I can tell.
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I dunno. I read the whole thing. I kinda side with the band on this one. Guy seemed like a major douche.
Mmm, I disagree. I think the band handled this more poorly than anyone else and at this point I think the onus is now on them to take the high road because the way they talked to the guy and acted like they were going to smear his reputation across the industry... really bad call. Alissa too should check herself, not too long ago she was a nobody. The photographer might have been aggressive with wanting the compensation initially but the band really comes off as smug, entitled, and disrespectful.
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Angela came off as really aggressive, I agree.
But I think (from what I remember) the initial messages he got from the band were fine (and I believe those were from sexy blue hair girl).
He was also extremely condescending in all of his messages. Adding in something about charity doesn't make his messages more palatable.
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I dunno, the initial message came across ok tonally, but it did accuse him of "sending discontent emails" and claimed that their sponsors are allowed to use anyone's photos and that it's good for exposure, all the stuff that musicians (including Arch Enemy) rightly rail against when it comes to music. So I can understand why that frustrated him.
Like I said, he was douchey about it, but the band comes across much worse to me.
EDIT: Oh yeah and the original message also didn't say who it was from, which is really lame.
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Hmm, either way it sounds like the band has become his............................................................................main form of exposure currently.
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:lol Indeed.
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I disagree, if the article is basically accurate then the band acted with a huge amount of hypocrisy.
EDIT: Which isn't to say that the guy wasn't also fairly douchey. Both sides acted pretty unprofessionally as far as I can tell.
I dunno. I read the whole thing. I kinda side with the band on this one. Guy seemed like a major douche.
Mmm, I disagree. I think the band handled this more poorly than anyone else and at this point I think the onus is now on them to take the high road because the way they talked to the guy and acted like they were going to smear his reputation across the industry... really bad call. Alissa too should check herself, not too long ago she was a nobody. The photographer might have been aggressive with wanting the compensation initially but the band really comes off as smug, entitled, and disrespectful.
Yup. Even if the guy was a bit abrasive, he had every right to ask for a compensation, since his work had essentially been used to promote a company without his consent. You wouldn't use a band's song in a radio ad with no permission and then go "well, you got exposure" when you're called out on it.
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IMO, both sides fucked up so it was never going to end well or look well for both. When both react initially the way they did, there's always going to be hostility. I dunno the ins and outs, but the guy seems like a bit of a wanker. Saying that, the band has an image to uphold so once he kept pushing, maybe they should have gotten their legal team onto it to deal with him straight away so they don't take the bait like they did.
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Angela came off as really aggressive, I agree.
But I think (from what I remember) the initial messages he got from the band were fine (and I believe those were from sexy blue hair girl).
He was also extremely condescending in all of his messages. Adding in something about charity doesn't make his messages more palatable.
I agree with that.
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Found this on Reddit, apparently this kind of behavior is nothing new from Angela: https://mikaalavesa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat/AE/
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I disagree, if the article is basically accurate then the band acted with a huge amount of hypocrisy.
EDIT: Which isn't to say that the guy wasn't also fairly douchey. Both sides acted pretty unprofessionally as far as I can tell.
I dunno. I read the whole thing. I kinda side with the band on this one. Guy seemed like a major douche.
Mmm, I disagree. I think the band handled this more poorly than anyone else and at this point I think the onus is now on them to take the high road because the way they talked to the guy and acted like they were going to smear his reputation across the industry... really bad call. Alissa too should check herself, not too long ago she was a nobody. The photographer might have been aggressive with wanting the compensation initially but the band really comes off as smug, entitled, and disrespectful.
Yup. Even if the guy was a bit abrasive, he had every right to ask for a compensation, since his work had essentially been used to promote a company without his consent. You wouldn't use a band's song in a radio ad with no permission and then go "well, you got exposure" when you're called out on it.
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Found this on Reddit, apparently this kind of behavior is nothing new from Angela: https://mikaalavesa.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Tapahtumat/AE/
Weird, since everything seemed to have worked out before Angela came in and banned the person.
Either way, her bad behavior doesn't excuse his (the guy in the original article) nor does his excuse hers.
They both be cunts.
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I feel like the charity thing was a mistake on his part. I understand if he wanted compensation for his photo but then he shouldn't have said "or give to this charity" because that felt like a public trap for AE in a way like "look at them, they wouldn't even give to charity, such monsters" and let the public shitstorm commence.
But I agree both parties handled this badly.
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I disagree, if the article is basically accurate then the band acted with a huge amount of hypocrisy.
EDIT: Which isn't to say that the guy wasn't also fairly douchey. Both sides acted pretty unprofessionally as far as I can tell.
I dunno. I read the whole thing. I kinda side with the band on this one. Guy seemed like a major douche.
Mmm, I disagree. I think the band handled this more poorly than anyone else and at this point I think the onus is now on them to take the high road because the way they talked to the guy and acted like they were going to smear his reputation across the industry... really bad call. Alissa too should check herself, not too long ago she was a nobody. The photographer might have been aggressive with wanting the compensation initially but the band really comes off as smug, entitled, and disrespectful.
Yup. Even if the guy was a bit abrasive, he had every right to ask for a compensation, since his work had essentially been used to promote a company without his consent. You wouldn't use a band's song in a radio ad with no permission and then go "well, you got exposure" when you're called out on it.
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This this. I've read the entire exchange and even if going out on a limb and saying the guy was being "douchey" he was in the right and they were in the wrong. Stealing is not cool. I say that as a fan of Arch Enemy, although this entire fiasco is very disappointing.
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I've not been able to look into this whole thing as much as I'd like, but if I've gathered one thing it's that I think so much of this drama could be better avoided if there was better discussed terms and conditions, or whatever you want to call them, associated with photo passes. A full understanding up front of who can do what with the photos taken with an approved pass could go a long way.
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Arch Enemy - Deceiver, Deceiver (OFFICIAL VIDEO) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_m2oYJkx1A&ab_channel=ArchEnemy)
Love the punky verse followed by the 16th kicks. :metal
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1. None of us know what the terms and conditions were in whatever contract this guy signed to take authorised photos at this festival. Yes, as a general principle photographers own the image, but he might well have contracted this away.
2. Quite like that new song - excited to hear the album!
3. Is it sexist of me in these "hashtag me too" times to wonder exactly how much money I would pay to lick chocolate syrup off Alissa's stomach? Perhaps I could donate the money to charity???
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It's fascinating how polarizing they've become in various corners of the internet. People seem positive so far here, but in other places people are just savaging this track. I'm a bit more neutral. I think they've been coasting for quite awhile now, and Loomis's gifts aren't being nearly well-utilized enough, but I kind of like the energy of the track, and those D-beat sections are a nice touch that they don't incorporate often enough. They haven't made a full album that has connected with me since Rise of the Tyrant, but I'd like to think they could pull it off again.
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For me, the new track is about as good as anything off Khaos Legions. I think I am with a lot of fans in saying that they peaked with Wages Of Sin.
I personally find Armageddon more interesting than Arch Enemy nowadays.
And they waste Loomis.
But, they are one of the progenitors of the genre, so they are worth respect. And their music is fun, so that is a plus. My fav albums are Wages Of Sin and Doomsday machine.
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To me they're a band that doesn't have a definitive best album. I prefer Angela to Johan, and I think her albums hit higher heights, but aren't as consistently good as the Liiva albums. The past dozen years have been mostly a series of disappointments. Nothing on Khaos Legions connected with me, War Eternal was step back up, but Alissa seemed a bit monotone compared to her work in The Agonist, and then having Loomis join only to contribute solos and not be involved at all in the songwriting has been aggravating. It might be more tolerable if he'd been busy with other projects, but all he's really been doing is guest solos on other band's albums as well, he's just a hired gun now. Hopefully his third solo album and work with Alcatrazz turns out to be rejuvenated. Still, the primary determinant of the quality of the next Arch Enemy album seems to be how inspired Michael is at this point.
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To me they're a band that doesn't have a definitive best album. I prefer Angela to Johan, and I think her albums hit higher heights, but aren't as consistently good as the Liiva albums. The past dozen years have been mostly a series of disappointments. Nothing on Khaos Legions connected with me, War Eternal was step back up, but Alissa seemed a bit monotone compared to her work in The Agonist, and then having Loomis join only to contribute solos and not be involved at all in the songwriting has been aggravating. It might be more tolerable if he'd been busy with other projects, but all he's really been doing is guest solos on other band's albums as well, he's just a hired gun now. Hopefully his third solo album and work with Alcatrazz turns out to be rejuvenated. Still, the primary determinant of the quality of the next Arch Enemy album seems to be how inspired Michael is at this point.
I could be wrong, but hasn't that always kind of been the case? I've always felt that Michael kind of is AE.
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Yeah, I'm just highlighting that because Alissa and Jeff get the bulk of the discussion at this point online. I don't like Alissa as much as Angela and think she's being underused, but she's not the reason they're in something of a slump. And Jeff isn't making them worse, even by only tracking solos he's a better guitarist than Chris, as good as he was. Sharlee is always solid, and Daniel is kind of overlooked.
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Hmmm....off topic but I may take Chris over Jeff. I've just always loved his playing. But then I think of some Nevermore solos and go......ah yes, this guy is amazing.
I've haven't really liked anything since Tyrant, which may be my fav AE album truthfully.
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Wow these two new singles from Arch Enemy are absolutely killer. They’re a band I’ve tried to get into before as I liked them instrumentally and think it’s a cool name for a band (stupid reason, I know!) but couldn’t get past the harsh vocals. For some reason, these two new ones have really hit me hard, absolutely love them.
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The new songs sound good, and like...Arch Enemy. Looking forward to hearing more!
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I'm hoping Jeff is featured more on other tracks. He just gets two tiny "solos" on these two so far.
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I'm not that fond of the two new songs truthfully. They may grow but just sounds like more of the same that they've been doing lately that hasn't really interested me.
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Arch Enemy is a band that tries to be too many things at once, and it just doesn't fit together for me. Most songs start heavy and mean then devolve into the soppiest, mellowest slow crap imaginable.
It sucks, since Jeff Loomis is my favorite guitarist on the planet. I wish he played in a more badass band. But you can't argue with Arch Enemy's fame.
Hmmm....off topic but I may take Chris over Jeff. I've just always loved his playing. But then I think of some Nevermore solos and go......ah yes, this guy is amazing.
I met Chris Broderick a few years ago and got one of his picks. Thick, solid, unbendable pick. It totally explains why his solos have so much attack.
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Broderick is indeed great but I was actually referring to Amott.
Id by far take Loomis over Broderick.
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Arch Enemy is a band that tries to be too many things at once, and it just doesn't fit together for me. Most songs start heavy and mean then devolve into the soppiest, mellowest slow crap imaginable.
It sucks, since Jeff Loomis is my favorite guitarist on the planet. I wish he played in a more badass band. But you can't argue with Arch Enemy's fame.
Hmmm....off topic but I may take Chris over Jeff. I've just always loved his playing. But then I think of some Nevermore solos and go......ah yes, this guy is amazing.
I met Chris Broderick a few years ago and got one of his picks. Thick, solid, unbendable pick. It totally explains why his solos have so much attack.
I don’t think that can be applied to the two new singles unless we have very different definitions of mellow and soppy. Deceiver, Deceiver in particular is pretty relentlessly heavy.
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On July 29th, extreme metal masters Arch Enemy will release their 11th studio album, Deceivers, via Century Media Records. For a preview of the record, the new single, "Handshake With Hell", can be streamed worldwide now HERE. Directed by Patric Ullaeus, the video premiere for "Handshake With Hell" is set for 9AM PT//12PM ET//6PM CET today at: https://youtu.be/dsuhfOD7emE
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Oh nice hearing some clean singing from Alissa. That's a pretty kickass song!
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Three for three for Arch Enemy imo. I’ve never owned an Arch Enemy album (and believe me I’ve tried them a few times) but I will be buying this one! All three songs are absolutely fire. Love the cleans in this too. Very reminiscent of Judas Priest to me but done well, not like the awful KK Priest thing.
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I love Wages of Sin and Anthem of Rebellion. I liked a few songs off Doomsday Machine but never connected much with stuff after that. Minus a song here or there.
I haven’t heard this last song yet but I’ve really dug the two before it. So I’m hopeful!
If anyone wants a fantastic band (with like 1-2 albums only sadly) that are doing Arch Enemy but better recently, check out Once Human.
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"Handshake With Hell" is by far my favorite of the singles so far, it actually makes more usage of Alissa and Jeff's gifts this time.
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Sometimes I like the small things, like a straight forward classic tap solo just after a slow section in a song. :metal
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Finished the new album. Nothing spectacular, and still below what they'd be capable of if Michael actually let Loomis contribute to the writing, but it's probably the best album since Rise of the Tyrant. Having Alissa perform a few clean sections definitely helped, though I would've liked more. I don't know if she's gotten better at them since The Agonist even though she doesn't really employ them with AE, or if it's just the production, but they elevated moments of a few tracks. "Mourning Star" is a pretty interlude. I wish they had more riffs like "Nemesis", "Ravenous", or "Bury Me An Angel", or the epic harmonies like "Bridge of Destiny", those days seem to be gone.
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I was surprised by how much I liked this. I was a pretty big fan back in the Gossow days, but I kinda lost interest after Rose of the Tyrant. I think I've at least checked out all the subsequent albums at least once, but none of them have done much for me.
This new album impressed me on first listen and I definitely want to follow it up with a second listen to see if it really was as good as I thought. Handshake with Hell was particularly good and I loved the solo at the end.
I went from this straight to the other significant melodeath album that just dropped, and to be honest was way more impressed by Deceivers.