can facebook crash? let's see!
can facebook crash? let's see!
It absolutely can but it wouldn't happen from a group of Dream Theater fans.
can facebook crash? let's see!
Also, 11AM in which time zone?
Also, 11AM in which time zone?
The reason we were referring to, about how you will understand why we couldn't tell you, is because we didn't want Mike to have a sour birthday.
QuoteThe reason we were referring to, about how you will understand why we couldn't tell you, is because we didn't want Mike to have a sour birthday.
In 5 minutes they gained more than 150 like on FB.
So what is the mailing list we need to subscribe to? I'm too nervous that i'm going to miss something :S !!!!
So what is the mailing list we need to subscribe to? I'm too nervous that i'm going to miss something :S !!!!
Read the article, brah.
I think the idea is that you register for the mailing list on Thursday.So what is the mailing list we need to subscribe to? I'm too nervous that i'm going to miss something :S !!!!
Read the article, brah.
Yeah, it says, subscribe to the mailling list in DT's facebook, there is no mailling list on DT's facebook or at least it doesn't show one to me.. so that's why i'm asking
I hate that i need to have a facebook account to be a part of this. :tdwn
..but I'm not on Facebook. DTF is MY Facebook! :)
I second this. Hope I'll know where to click before the exclusive subscribing button disappears in 10 minutes. :-)So what is the mailing list we need to subscribe to? I'm too nervous that i'm going to miss something :S !!!!
Read the article, brah.
Yeah, it says, subscribe to the mailling list in DT's facebook, there is no mailling list on DT's facebook or at least it doesn't show one to me.. so that's why i'm asking
Then spend the 3 minutes it takes to set up a Facebook account….
Then spend the 3 minutes it takes to set up a Facebook account….
And the rest of your life getting friend requests from people you hated in high school, invites to play Mafia Wars, and every corporation in the world able to buy my personal info? No thanks.
But seriously, it really is an annoying way for an established band to get information out.
Just... ignore them. Just because you create an account doesn't mean you have to maintain it. Even better, don't put your personal info up. Heck, register under a fake name.Then spend the 3 minutes it takes to set up a Facebook account….
And the rest of your life getting friend requests from people you hated in high school, invites to play Mafia Wars, and every corporation in the world able to buy my personal info? No thanks.
But seriously, it really is an annoying way for an established band to get information out.
for some reason i think the band would be awesome with peter W! That dude is badass.
or...wait 5 minutes and you will know everything here!Just... ignore them. Just because you create an account doesn't mean you have to maintain it. Even better, don't put your personal info up. Heck, register under a fake name.Then spend the 3 minutes it takes to set up a Facebook account….
And the rest of your life getting friend requests from people you hated in high school, invites to play Mafia Wars, and every corporation in the world able to buy my personal info? No thanks.
But seriously, it really is an annoying way for an established band to get information out.
Then spend the 3 minutes it takes to set up a Facebook account….
And the rest of your life getting friend requests from people you hated in high school, invites to play Mafia Wars, and every corporation in the world able to buy my personal info? No thanks.
But seriously, it really is an annoying way for an established band to get information out.
I second this. Hope I'll know where to click before the exclusive subscribing button disappears in 10 minutes. :-)So what is the mailing list we need to subscribe to? I'm too nervous that i'm going to miss something :S !!!!
Read the article, brah.
Yeah, it says, subscribe to the mailling list in DT's facebook, there is no mailling list on DT's facebook or at least it doesn't show one to me.. so that's why i'm asking
..but I'm not on Facebook. DTF is MY Facebook! :)
Then spend the 3 minutes it takes to set up a Facebook account, and you're all set.
Then spend the 3 minutes it takes to set up a Facebook account….
And the rest of your life getting friend requests from people you hated in high school, invites to play Mafia Wars, and every corporation in the world able to buy my personal info? No thanks.
But seriously, it really is an annoying way for an established band to get information out.
Then spend the 3 minutes it takes to set up a Facebook account….
And the rest of your life getting friend requests from people you hated in high school, invites to play Mafia Wars, and every corporation in the world able to buy my personal info? No thanks.
But seriously, it really is an annoying way for an established band to get information out.
Here's a great idea, bro. Are you ready?
Don't put in your fucking information.
I will never understand people who bitch about Facebook; it's literally the easiest thing in the world to make an account.
I'm only bitching about it because they could post info on their website, or distribute via mailing list. Believe it or not, that would actually be easier than signing up on fb and doing everything that way.But like this, and unlike posting it on a webpage, they'll have a shitload of people whom they can then send any kind of marketing information. Let alone because they'll explicitly submit to a mailing list. And they won't need to worry about server overload. From their point of view, it makes a whole lot of sense to use Facebook.
[facebook stuff]
and at the end of it all you will hear John P. say...
"and we are sooo excited to tell you who the new drummer is and will do so shortly, but rest assured, you will not be disappointed."
I haven't done one of these posts in a LONG time (like way back in the DT.net days), but I think it's time for:
The Score So Far, According to bosk1.
So, thus far in the thread, we have the following posts:
-Official announcements about how all this works: 1 post
-Posts asking how all this works (or attempting to answer): 14 posts
-Fanboy appreciation (not that there's anything wrong with that): 7 posts
-"It's about time!"/"Good, now we can finally stop speculating": 5 posts
-Debates about Facebook: 21 posts
-"I stopped caring _ months ago": 2 posts
-Veiled jabs at Mike Portnoy: 4 posts
-Drummer speculation: 2 posts
-Rebecca Black discussion: 2 posts
I'd say the thread is developing along expected lines. :biggrin:
I am pretty sure it will be posted on their official website, along with other websites.Exactly, so why the whole fb mailing list waste?
I am pretty sure it will be posted on their official website, along with other websites.Exactly, so why the whole fb mailing list waste?
How about this - They release an audition video each week and the last one is the drummer.
or a variation on this . . . .
I haven't done one of these posts in a LONG time (like way back in the DT.net days), but I think it's time for:Oh welcome back!
The Score So Far, According to bosk1.
So, thus far in the thread, we have the following posts:
-Official announcements about how all this works: 1 post
-Posts asking how all this works (or attempting to answer): 14 posts
-Fanboy appreciation (not that there's anything wrong with that): 7 posts
-"It's about time!"/"Good, now we can finally stop speculating": 5 posts
-Debates about Facebook: 21 posts
-"I stopped caring _ months ago": 2 posts
-Veiled jabs at Mike Portnoy: 4 posts
-Drummer speculation: 2 posts
-Rebecca Black discussion: 2 posts
I'd say the thread is developing along expected lines. :biggrin:
4/21 is day after Portnoy's birthday.
Nice :hat
:lol I don't have that much time.
:lol I don't have that much time.Score it.
If Wiki is correct Mangini's birthday is 4/18/63. Chicken nugget.A coincidence? ::)
Hopefully some kind forum goers will offer up links to any (potential) videos discovered from the exclusive. For those of us who avoid Facebook like the plague.
to sign up for the mailing list and to receive more details about an exclusive and intimate look at the auditions
That's true Bosk. You should ask if this info is strict or if its available to post.
FINALLY. :corn:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I just don't know at this point. I don't have any further information, so it's hard to say what I should and shouldn't allow, and I haven't gotten any direction one way or the other from management. But even though we are not an "official" forum, I do respect the band's wishes on stuff like that, as it says in the forum rules, so we'll just have to wait and see what the info is and what the band wants done with it.100% agree.
How about this - They release an audition video each week and the last one is the drummer.
or a variation on this . . . .
Yar; I look at it like this: any press they generate is exposure and exposure = fans/money and if Dream Theater is making money I'm happy...even if they have to string us around by our pinkies for a few months to do it. Also, someone should compile some of the more hilarious comments on DT's Facebook :D "Dream THEATER, WHY NEVER INDIA PAST present or June bug! THIS hate overcomes mountains of valor for your swedish massage PORTNOY!"
So do we have to sign up exactly at 11 AM or can we do it later in the day. This whole thing is rather unclear
I really wouldn't be surprised if it just lasted from 11 to 12, Aniland. I really wouldn'tSo do we have to sign up exactly at 11 AM or can we do it later in the day. This whole thing is rather unclear
Do you really think they're going to ONLY let people who are there in that 60 second period sign up? :justjen
As excited as I am to see we're finally gonna learn who the drummer is, doesn't an "announcement of the announcement" have anyone worried that something extremely gimmicky is going to ensue?Kind of like how they still haven't said anything about actually announcing the new guy, just "At this point sign up, and then at some unknown point we will tell you when we will announce him."
I understand respectiving exclusivity, but it strikes me as ironic that DT would be using a social networking site for an item they don't want socially networked.James has had facebook for years... found his profile a little while ago while idly searching - wondered if he might be tucked away under the name Kevin. He was. People only started adding him fairly recently, though.
Looking forward to the videos in any regard. I wonder how long this "announcement to the announcement" has been in the works. At least since James signed up for FB a couple of months ago, don't you think?
Kind of like how they still haven't said anything about actually announcing the new guy, just "At this point sign up, and then at some unknown point we will tell you when we will announce him."
Yep. That's what they are going to do. And everyone on the other side of the world should set an alarm clock and wake up in the middle of the night just for this event.So do we have to sign up exactly at 11 AM or can we do it later in the day. This whole thing is rather unclear
Do you really think they're going to ONLY let people who are there in that 60 second period sign up? :justjen
But it doesn't say when they will announce that. They could wait two more months (or any other period of time) then say "We'll tell you next Tuesday."Kind of like how they still haven't said anything about actually announcing the new guy, just "At this point sign up, and then at some unknown point we will tell you when we will announce him."
In the press release it says that we will find out exactly when and now the drummer announcement will be made, so it's not an unknown point.
I understand respectiving exclusivity, but it strikes me as ironic that DT would be using a social networking site for an item they don't want socially networked.Wouldn't they want it spread as much as possible? Why would anyone with something to sell not want something "socially networked"?
But it doesn't say when they will announce that. They could wait two more months (or any other period of time) then say "We'll tell you next Tuesday."
Go to Dream Theater’s Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dream-Theater/7677942180) on Thursday, 4/21 at 11 AM to sign up for the mailing list and to receive more details about an exclusive and intimate look at the auditions, and to find out exactly when and how the momentous announcement about the band’s new lineup will be made.
I have class during this. :-\
That is not how I interpret that sentence. To me that says, 'You can sign up for the mailing list Thursday.' It does not say 'We will be sending things out to the people on the mailing list on Thursday.'But it doesn't say when they will announce that. They could wait two more months (or any other period of time) then say "We'll tell you next Tuesday."
It does:QuoteGo to Dream Theater’s Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dream-Theater/7677942180) on Thursday, 4/21 at 11 AM to sign up for the mailing list and to receive more details about an exclusive and intimate look at the auditions, and to find out exactly when and how the momentous announcement about the band’s new lineup will be made.
Thursday at 11 AM they will say exactly when and how the "real" announcement will be.
Apparently you can't read..."and to receive"
Apparently you can't read..."and to receive"It says "receive", but it doesn't say "Receive on Thursday." We could receive it on Thursday, or Friday, or the second Tuesday of next week.
Vox, what time is it over here then?No idea and I must say that I don't really care that much. I'll see whatever announcent they make here, just 30 seconds later. And I don't really care for DT that much anymore.
That is not how I interpret that sentence. To me that says, 'You can sign up for the mailing list Thursday.' It does not say 'We will be sending things out to the people on the mailing list on Thursday.'But it doesn't say when they will announce that. They could wait two more months (or any other period of time) then say "We'll tell you next Tuesday."
It does:QuoteGo to Dream Theater’s Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dream-Theater/7677942180) on Thursday, 4/21 at 11 AM to sign up for the mailing list and to receive more details about an exclusive and intimate look at the auditions, and to find out exactly when and how the momentous announcement about the band’s new lineup will be made.
Thursday at 11 AM they will say exactly when and how the "real" announcement will be.
Is it just me that thinks 3 days to audition 7 drummers doesn't seem a long time to be making such a big decision?
*Press Release*Wow, color me excited. Thursday is marked on the calendar! :metal
That's why I don't keep looking at the pot to see when the water will finally boil. I go on until it's ready. Such a waste of time, energy, and excitement when you do that with this kind of stuff.
That's why I don't keep looking at the pot to see when the water will finally boil. I go on until it's ready. Such a waste of time, energy, and excitement when you do that with this kind of stuff.
It's the monumental fault of somebody that this information was not given to us sooner. Label people can be idiots.
It's the monumental fault of somebody that this information was not given to us sooner. Label people can be idiots.
And fans can be annoyingly impatient.
So in two weeks you've lost interest? I bet you chat like a teenage girl in love when we find out the drummer and when the album will be released. I know I will. :lol
The wife analogy Lowdz was perfect. :rollinSo in two weeks you've lost interest? I bet you chat like a teenage girl in love when we find out the drummer and when the album will be released. I know I will. :lol
It's impossible to maintain that level of excitement and expectation (just ask my wife!) and I just burnt out on it I guess. It will change with the announcement, probably, but not for an announcement of an announcement.
. . .the list of the seven with videos hopefully
. . .the list of the seven with videos hopefully
I bet it will be weekly videos of the auditions. Or teasers of the videos, with options to purchase a full DVD documentary. They are going to spread this out to build up to album release and make money. I think it will also be presented as very complimentary to all who auditioned, promoting whatever projects they have going so they don't look like "losers".
Derek Roddy (born August 28, 1972) is an American drummer and snake breeder
We feel the drummers were used in a sense, for their popularity.
I am very interested how DT was able to get ALL of the drummers to remain silent.
I am very interested how DT was able to get ALL of the drummers to remain silent.
It's the monumental fault of somebody that this information was not given to us sooner. Label people can be idiots.
And fans can be annoyingly impatient.
I just read that article again and looked at the list of drummers there, and I'm now questioning its sources. It kinda reads they got their info from DTF, seriously. And the bizarre inclusion of Aquiles Priester in that list makes me wonder whether there isn't some truth to the notion.
rumborak
It kinda reads they got their info from DTF,exactly what I thought.
I just read that article again and looked at the list of drummers there, and I'm now questioning its sources. It kinda reads they got their info from DTF, seriously (aren't we "close to the source", so to speak?). And the bizarre inclusion of Aquiles Priester in that list makes me wonder whether there isn't some truth to the notion.
rumborak
1 hour and 47 minutes left...biatches :metal
So... I guess I'll sign up to facebook with fake info and put my email on the mailing list..??
Who else is ready for an anti-climax?!?!?!
Roadrunner on Twitter: "Everyone ready for the Dream Theater video we're posting in a half hour?"
From JR's status, it sounds like we'll actually see the auditions today. But who knows.
Roadrunner on Twitter: "Everyone ready for the Dream Theater video we're posting in a half hour?"
I just made some unusual sound of excitement that I'm not sure how to describe
Roadrunner on Twitter: "Everyone ready for the Dream Theater video we're posting in a half hour?"
I just made some unusual sound of excitement that I'm not sure how to describe
Welcome to puberty, home of the orgasms
Who else is ready for an anti-climax?!?!?!
The new RoadRunner one explicitly states a video will be posted.
The new RoadRunner one explicitly states a video will be posted.
Hopefully it's about MorphWiz!!!! :metal :metal :metal
Oh man, I hope this isn't a promotional video for the announcement. You know, in American deep-bass announcer style: "GET READY FOR A DEEP VIEW INTO THE AUDITION PROCESS OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS PROG METAL...."
rumborak
Oh man, I hope this isn't a promotional video for the announcement. You know, in American deep-bass announcer style: "GET READY FOR A DEEP VIEW INTO THE AUDITION PROCESS OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS PROG METAL...."
rumborak
Its up!!
Two minutes and I have to poop :(
SOMEONE POST IT HERE POST IT HERE I CAN'T ACCESS FACEBOOK FROM MY SCHOOL'S WIFI AGH
Access Denied (policy_denied)
Your system policy has denied access to the requested URL.
Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Radio/Audio Streams"
There's a link at the left column called Drummerdoc, click there then click to join and you will have to grant your FB with access to some Dream Theater app and...there it is....you are subscribed and get to see a 3 minute video
Oh man, I hope this isn't a promotional video for the announcement. You know, in American deep-bass announcer style: "GET READY FOR A DEEP VIEW INTO THE AUDITION PROCESS OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS PROG METAL...."
rumborak
So does anyone think "The Spirit Carries On" might be the name of the new album?Nope.
You people are unbelievable. LOOK AT THIS AWESOME FUCKING THING THEY GAVE US. For fuck's sake.
You people are unbelievable. LOOK AT THIS AWESOME FUCKING THING THEY GAVE US. For fuck's sake.
Was one of those guys Priester?
Was one of those guys Priester?
Yes. And I'm shocked.
So does anyone think "The Spirit Carries On" might be the name of the new album?
Was one of those guys Priester?
Yes. And I'm shocked.
I liked it. I knew it wasn't going to be anything huge to begin with, so I didn't get too excited. I just took the video for what it was, and it was good to see the guys looking happy and to see all the drummers.You people are unbelievable. LOOK AT THIS AWESOME FUCKING THING THEY GAVE US. For fuck's sake.
i think that only makes two of us who liked it
i think all the cheesyness is on RR's end
I recognized Lang, Priester, Minnemann and probably Mangini and MAYBE Wildoer.
Was one of those guys Priester?
Yes. And I'm genuinely shocked.
Good video, by the way. But I was cracking up watching it and thinking about rumborak's post. @rumby for totally calling that one:
o/
You people are unbelievable. LOOK AT THIS AWESOME FUCKING THING THEY GAVE US. For fuck's sake.
No. It's crap.
A crummy commercial.
I recognized Lang, Priester, Minnemann and probably Mangini and MAYBE Wildoer.
Mangini is the one who threw his sticks in the air.
So is this going to be a full on doc? Seems WAY to produced for a 3min promo clip for YouTube. Very well done.
This is why I don't hang out with Dream Theater fans IRL
its not letting me watch the vid... I subscribe but it just shows me a black screenYou have to turn off your "use facebook in https" setting. It's bullshit.
Is anybody else... liking the fact that James LaBrie appears to be the new frontman? I love it.Please. Go on. Continue speculating, it's hilarious.
Is anybody else... liking the fact that James LaBrie appears to be the new frontman? I love it.
its not letting me watch the vid... I subscribe but it just shows me a black screenYou have to turn off your "use facebook in https" setting. It's bullshit.
Is anybody else... liking the fact that James LaBrie appears to be the new frontman? I love it.
RUMBORKA
Is anybody else... liking the fact that James LaBrie appears to be the new frontman? I love it.Please. Go on. Continue speculating, it's hilarious.
RUMBORKA
That's how upset I am!!!!! :lol
rumborak
Bill Niehoff
Bill Niehoff This has been dragged out far too long. Is Ryan Seacrest managing them now?
Is that some personal attack?Is anybody else... liking the fact that James LaBrie appears to be the new frontman? I love it.Please. Go on. Continue speculating, it's hilarious.
Ass
RUMBORKA
That's how upset I am!!!!! :lol
rumborak
Looked like a trailer for documentary.
I thought it was good though. Wonder we'll get to see the next video?
Man. I'm not so much into that "America's, err, DT's next top drummer" thing I have to say.I don't see it like that. I think it is a original and fun way for us to know who got the gig, rather than a simple press release mentionning 'X is our new drummer'
rumborka
YEAH! Changing a setting on a computer that takes two seconds is BULLSHIT!It's bullshit because that application does not conform to the same security standards. Anything that makes you downgrade your security level in order to use is inherently poorly made.
What were you guys waiting for? This is promo at its best. We'll get to see an indepth look at the auditions. We are incredibly lucky as fans!! They could have just said: "Our drummer is Mike Mangini, alright lets move on!" But no, they're allowing us to share these special moments they had when looking for a new drummer.
I've got to say: Never Enough. As usual.
What were you guys waiting for? This is promo at its best. We'll get to see an indepth look at the auditions. We are incredibly lucky as fans!! They could have just said: "Our drummer is Mike Mangini, alright lets move on!" But no, they're allowing us to share these special moments they had when looking for a new drummer.
I've got to say: Never Enough. As usual.
I was with you until you touted Never Enough.
the video doesn't work for me. what happens?Nothing ground breaking.
I can't believe they really had Priester in the auditions.
rumborak
I hope they release videos of each drummer. I love in the studio/jamming stuff.
1. Mike Mangini 2. Thomas Lang 3. Virgil Donati 4. Marco Minnemann 5. Aquiles Priester 6. Derek Roddy 7. Peter Wildoer.
Was one of those guys Priester?
Yes. And I'm genuinely shocked.
Good video, by the way. But I was cracking up watching it and thinking about rumborak's post. @rumby for totally calling that one:
o/
\o
Booya, I know!! :lol
rumborak
Well, at least this video inspired me to listen to TCOT again. :biggrin:Same here :biggrin:
Man. I'm not so much into that "America's, err, DT's next top drummer" thing I have to say.I don't see it like that. I think it is a original and fun way for us to know who got the gig, rather than a simple press release mentionning 'X is our new drummer'
rumborka
Anyone notice the lack of commentary by Myung?
Was one of those guys Priester?
Yes. And I'm genuinely shocked.
Good video, by the way. But I was cracking up watching it and thinking about rumborak's post. @rumby for totally calling that one:
o/
\o
Booya, I know!! :lol
rumborak
If it wasn't for the fact that you predicted it right down to the cheesy, deep-voiced narrator, I wouldn't be laughing nearly as hard. I'm STILL laughing!
I have no idea what any of you expected. The album doesn't come out for months. If they just told us who the new drummer was, excitement would die off very quickly. This is a way to keep up excitement at least closer to their first show or when the album comes out. It's their first smart move in a very long time.
I have no idea what any of you expected. The album doesn't come out for months. If they just told us who the new drummer was, excitement would die off very quickly. This is a way to keep up excitement at least closer to their first show or when the album comes out. It's their first smart move in a very long time.
Yeah but why can't we just be excited for a new album like we usually are. Why would excitement for a new album taper off? It's a new album!
Aniland, please cut it out.
You've been spamming the blue fuck out of this thread with nonsensical posts, and called one other person an ass. Just chill out a little, it's not a chat thread.Aniland, please cut it out.
As someone who is legitimately not instigating anything, lemme know what you want me to cut out? No disrespect.
I took a screenshot in the moment where one of the drummers is holding a letter. I'm trying to figure out what it says:Cool, thanks for doing this :)
"To The World's Greatest Drummers, welcome to the auditions! We are sorry we don't have a practice room. But we do have something for you to practice on - and doing so well provides instant glorification, the [something] inside!
Please attack this drum with the mallet we've provided, just as you are going to do for real in the studio! :)
Best wishes to an audition that blows everyone away!"
This is probably a FAIL transcription, feel free to help me out....if you have nothing better to do, like me.
Yessir hef. :X Sorry.:tup
I have no qualms with them stretching it out now, that's how they will maintain interest until the album comes out.
My only concern is that DT is joining in with other "illustrous" reality-TV bands like INXS etc.
rumborak
When they're in the studio, at the end of the video, and James on the Phone says "...welcome you to the family" they're actually at Cove, aren't they? Do you think it's part of the script (of this sort of Talent Show) or may be right to think "he" wasn't there with them when they've written the music?
So do you reckon Mangini got it to keep the band all american...I mean over the likes of Marco, Lang & Donati in particular ?
So do you reckon Mangini got it to keep the band all american...I mean over the likes of Marco, Lang & Donati in particular ?
have you met their singer james? you know, the canadian?
When they're in the studio, at the end of the video, and James on the Phone says "...welcome you to the family" they're actually at Cove, aren't they? Do you think it's part of the script (of this sort of Talent Show) or may be right to think "he" wasn't there with them when they've written the music?
https://www.otenyc.com/index.html
The production company that made the video. Click on News, then the DT Majesty logo.
When they're in the studio, at the end of the video, and James on the Phone says "...welcome you to the family" they're actually at Cove, aren't they? Do you think it's part of the script (of this sort of Talent Show) or may be right to think "he" wasn't there with them when they've written the music?
They were in the control room, they could have easily gone in there to speak in privacy and then speaking through the control mic to let the drummer in the live room hear them. It's what happened in that movie Rock Star.
Honestly, if all this secret keeping was over a TV promotional stunt, imma be pissed.
https://www.otenyc.com/index.html
The production company that made the video. Click on News, then the DT Majesty logo.
"In October, OTE wrapped principle photography on a feature length documentary for legendary band Dream Theater."
. . .
"There will also be a one hour television premiere (Network TBD) that will announce the new drummer"
"There will also be a one hour television premiere (Network TBD) that will announce the new drummer"
What is disappointing for me besides the whole reality-like atmosphere, is the lack of a date for the announcement.
"to find out exactly when and how the momentous announcement about the band’s new lineup will be made" was in the first announcement, yet we didn't get a date.
I have no qualms with them stretching it out now, that's how they will maintain interest until the album comes out.
My only concern is that DT is joining in with other "illustrous" reality-TV bands like INXS etc.
rumborak
It will be a one time thing until the new album is released, then it will be back to business as usual. I also doubt DT is a big enough band to have it ruin their image. They're making the best out of the situation. I'm sure there's a more obscure way they could handle it, but what would be the point?
DT is not that kind of band.
I have no qualms with them stretching it out now, that's how they will maintain interest until the album comes out.Joining in with bands who can market products to their fanbase cleverly is no bad thing.
My only concern is that DT is joining in with other "illustrous" reality-TV bands like INXS etc.
rumborak
I have no qualms with them stretching it out now, that's how they will maintain interest until the album comes out.
My only concern is that DT is joining in with other "illustrous" reality-TV bands like INXS etc.
rumborak
It will be a one time thing until the new album is released, then it will be back to business as usual. I also doubt DT is a big enough band to have it ruin their image. They're making the best out of the situation. I'm sure there's a more obscure way they could handle it, but what would be the point?
I'll admit showing it on TV is a very odd idea that I don't know if I can get behind, but the typical drama imposed in this? I Don't see the problem. It's a trailer, it's only purpose is to get people excited. A simple unbiased documentary wouldn't do that for most people, they took the easy way out, but considering what they're doing, I don't think it matters which way they took out. As I said, it will all be over in a few months at most, this isn't a prolonged thing.
Doesn't have too be "more obscure", just actual documentary, not reality-TV. Band documentaries have a long history and they can be really excellent. The choice to frame this whole thing as an American Idol audition rather irritates me. Sure, I will get over it, but I scratch my head at this choice.
rumborak
Words of wisdom. As usual.I have no qualms with them stretching it out now, that's how they will maintain interest until the album comes out.Joining in with bands who can market products to their fanbase cleverly is no bad thing.
My only concern is that DT is joining in with other "illustrous" reality-TV bands like INXS etc.
rumborak
If it was just a cheap, wasteful cash-in, I'd be a little cautious. As it is, it looks like a lavishly produced documentary feature, offering an in-depth view of a process that we've spent the last six months speculating about.
A band that takes care and expends effort in giving the fans a product that they'll be interested in receiving gets all the thumbs up from me. And, frankly, as ridiculous as the wait's been, I'd rather the news be delivered through the medium of a gorgeous, lengthy, in-depth examination of the most exciting process in the band's recent history, than through the medium of a press release tucked away on a Roadrunner Records website.
It creates publicity because it's good.
I wonder how long that has been on that site. Looks like it has been there for a long while :lol
EDIT: Holy crap, look at the Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/OverTheEdgeProd
(https://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5673/dtdtdt.jpg)
I wonder how long that has been on that site. Looks like it has been there for a long while :lol
EDIT: Holy crap, look at the Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/OverTheEdgeProd
I wonder how long that has been on that site. Looks like it has been there for a long while :lol
EDIT: Holy crap, look at the Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/OverTheEdgeProd
I'll admit showing it on TV is a very odd idea that I don't know if I can get behind, but the typical drama imposed in this? I Don't see the problem. It's a trailer, it's only purpose is to get people excited. A simple unbiased documentary wouldn't do that for most people, they took the easy way out, but considering what they're doing, I don't think it matters which way they took out. As I said, it will all be over in a few months at most, this isn't a prolonged thing.
Why's that a "fear?"I'll admit showing it on TV is a very odd idea that I don't know if I can get behind, but the typical drama imposed in this? I Don't see the problem. It's a trailer, it's only purpose is to get people excited. A simple unbiased documentary wouldn't do that for most people, they took the easy way out, but considering what they're doing, I don't think it matters which way they took out. As I said, it will all be over in a few months at most, this isn't a prolonged thing.
If they're just having fun with this, that's cool. The fear is that with this AI-style stuff, a 3-episode mini-series etc., DT is maybe taking the "next step" in their career.
rumborak
In addition to a nation-wide release, the film is rumored to air on television as a 3-part mini-series (official details TBA).Ooh christ, miniseries? I like that even more.
So national release? In Theaters?
Because it's not really the band I fell in love with back in the day.Fair cop. I don't know, I quite like the progression. I love that they're using the change as an excuse to grow, and excel, and develop. Marching boldly into the future - and, snowballing. Quite happy for them.
rumborak
Because it's not really the band I fell in love with back in the day.
rumborak
Words of wisdom. As usual.I have no qualms with them stretching it out now, that's how they will maintain interest until the album comes out.Joining in with bands who can market products to their fanbase cleverly is no bad thing.
My only concern is that DT is joining in with other "illustrous" reality-TV bands like INXS etc.
rumborak
If it was just a cheap, wasteful cash-in, I'd be a little cautious. As it is, it looks like a lavishly produced documentary feature, offering an in-depth view of a process that we've spent the last six months speculating about.
A band that takes care and expends effort in giving the fans a product that they'll be interested in receiving gets all the thumbs up from me. And, frankly, as ridiculous as the wait's been, I'd rather the news be delivered through the medium of a gorgeous, lengthy, in-depth examination of the most exciting process in the band's recent history, than through the medium of a press release tucked away on a Roadrunner Records website.
It creates publicity because it's good.
So I like the concept, it's very cool that they'll be showing so much detail about the auditions and really opening up about MP.I think the facebook thing is because, by controlling who sees it, they can prompt people to join their mailing list - allows them to establish a direct connection to the fans.
What I don't get was why four months ago they didn't say, "We're filming a documentary about the whole process, but it'll be better if you don't know who the drummer is until you see the whole thing." ? Still can't figure out why they're limiting it to fb either, it does a lot of good for their image, but only if you let people see it, it should be on their site, YouTube, everywhere.
I definitely just think they're having fun and doing this all very tongue-in-cheek. I personally enjoyed that teaser promo and found it entertaining!I'll admit showing it on TV is a very odd idea that I don't know if I can get behind, but the typical drama imposed in this? I Don't see the problem. It's a trailer, it's only purpose is to get people excited. A simple unbiased documentary wouldn't do that for most people, they took the easy way out, but considering what they're doing, I don't think it matters which way they took out. As I said, it will all be over in a few months at most, this isn't a prolonged thing.
If they're just having fun with this, that's cool. The fear is that with this AI-style stuff, a 3-episode mini-series etc., DT is maybe taking the "next step" in their career.
rumborak
Because it's not really the band I fell in love with back in the day.
rumborak
They're going all LeBron James on us now. :lol
They're going all LeBron James on us now. :lol
"I'm taking my talents to Dream Theater. I saw JLB shoot hoops in the Scenes from a Memory video diary, and I think I can bring a lot to the team."
Exactly. Tons of people will "like" DT on Facebook, giving themselves more publicity. Then you are requiring people to join their mailing list to see the video. It definitely gets the band more publicity and visibility they might not have had otherwise. It is a good marketing move.So I like the concept, it's very cool that they'll be showing so much detail about the auditions and really opening up about MP.I think the facebook thing is because, by controlling who sees it, they can prompt people to join their mailing list - allows them to establish a direct connection to the fans.
What I don't get was why four months ago they didn't say, "We're filming a documentary about the whole process, but it'll be better if you don't know who the drummer is until you see the whole thing." ? Still can't figure out why they're limiting it to fb either, it does a lot of good for their image, but only if you let people see it, it should be on their site, YouTube, everywhere.
If they have Heidi Klum in this thing, I'm sold on it.
rumborak
Well that was certainly anticlimactic.
(https://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5673/dtdtdt.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol
Yep, you're right. Daikatana's quality probably was directly linked to the documentary.
I remember there was a game that was advertised like this. Its name was Daikatana, and I think at least some people here know how that ended up.
Nice to see they exploited their break up to hype everything up and go on TV and make documentaries instead of just telling us who it is.I had forgotten about that game. :rollin
I remember there was a game that was advertised like this. Its name was Daikatana, and I think at least some people here know how that ended up.
found it on youtube.. can i post it here?Please? Or just tell me what to 'search' on youtube. I can't access Facebook at work (but we can access Youtube? Seems odd..anyway)
Exactly.Well that was certainly anticlimactic.
It was a teaser, it's job is to be non-climatic.
No, not until we know whether it's ok to do that or not.found it on youtube.. can i post it here?Please? Or just tell me what to 'search' on youtube. I can't access Facebook at work (but we can access Youtube? Seems odd..anyway)
I find it cool that even without Mike, who was the driving force behind a lot of this stuff, the band are still trying to think outside the box and give us some extras.I'm just happy Mike didn't "direct" this. Anyone remember SFaM DVD? Yikes.
Why would saying that you have to have a facebook account, have to like Dream Theater, and have to subscribe to the mailing list increase the number of people that see the video. Isn't that the goal? To get as many people to see as possible? It seems like they're bottlenecking it.Exactly. Tons of people will "like" DT on Facebook, giving themselves more publicity. Then you are requiring people to join their mailing list to see the video. It definitely gets the band more publicity and visibility they might not have had otherwise. It is a good marketing move.So I like the concept, it's very cool that they'll be showing so much detail about the auditions and really opening up about MP.I think the facebook thing is because, by controlling who sees it, they can prompt people to join their mailing list - allows them to establish a direct connection to the fans.
What I don't get was why four months ago they didn't say, "We're filming a documentary about the whole process, but it'll be better if you don't know who the drummer is until you see the whole thing." ? Still can't figure out why they're limiting it to fb either, it does a lot of good for their image, but only if you let people see it, it should be on their site, YouTube, everywhere.
If they have Heidi Klum in this thing, I'm sold on it.
rumborak
No, not until we know whether it's ok to do that or not.found it on youtube.. can i post it here?Please? Or just tell me what to 'search' on youtube. I can't access Facebook at work (but we can access Youtube? Seems odd..anyway)
Other way round. They're using the video to encourage people to sign up to them on Facebook.Why would saying that you have to have a facebook account, have to like Dream Theater, and have to subscribe to the mailing list increase the number of people that see the video. Isn't that the goal? To get as many people to see as possible? It seems like they're bottlenecking it.Exactly. Tons of people will "like" DT on Facebook, giving themselves more publicity. Then you are requiring people to join their mailing list to see the video. It definitely gets the band more publicity and visibility they might not have had otherwise. It is a good marketing move.So I like the concept, it's very cool that they'll be showing so much detail about the auditions and really opening up about MP.I think the facebook thing is because, by controlling who sees it, they can prompt people to join their mailing list - allows them to establish a direct connection to the fans.
What I don't get was why four months ago they didn't say, "We're filming a documentary about the whole process, but it'll be better if you don't know who the drummer is until you see the whole thing." ? Still can't figure out why they're limiting it to fb either, it does a lot of good for their image, but only if you let people see it, it should be on their site, YouTube, everywhere.
I get that, but from the discussions I've heard a three minute video isn't enough to get people to sign up. Whereas on YouTube, everybody watches no problem.Other way round. They're using the video to encourage people to sign up to them on Facebook.Why would saying that you have to have a facebook account, have to like Dream Theater, and have to subscribe to the mailing list increase the number of people that see the video. Isn't that the goal? To get as many people to see as possible? It seems like they're bottlenecking it.Exactly. Tons of people will "like" DT on Facebook, giving themselves more publicity. Then you are requiring people to join their mailing list to see the video. It definitely gets the band more publicity and visibility they might not have had otherwise. It is a good marketing move.So I like the concept, it's very cool that they'll be showing so much detail about the auditions and really opening up about MP.I think the facebook thing is because, by controlling who sees it, they can prompt people to join their mailing list - allows them to establish a direct connection to the fans.
What I don't get was why four months ago they didn't say, "We're filming a documentary about the whole process, but it'll be better if you don't know who the drummer is until you see the whole thing." ? Still can't figure out why they're limiting it to fb either, it does a lot of good for their image, but only if you let people see it, it should be on their site, YouTube, everywhere.
Yep, i need permission from one of the mods or bosk
I still think Minnemann is the best fit.....like a glove!!absolutely this. Too bad he supposedly won't be the drummer. I still have my fingers crossed that these rumors are false and that he is in-fact a part of DT.
I'd like to retract my earlier statement about them announcing through the microphone in the control room to the new drummer that he was in the band. I watched it again, and yea they're talking into the phone.
https://www.sickdrummermagazine.com/index.php/news/latest-news/2207-dream-theater-drummer-auditions-inside-story.html
I'm just happy Mike didn't "direct" this. Anyone remember SFaM DVD? Yikes.
I still think Minnemann is the best fit.....like a glove!!absolutely this. Too bad he supposedly won't be the drummer. I still have my fingers crossed that these rumors are false and that he is in-fact a part of DT.
I recognized Lang, Priester, Minnemann and probably Mangini and MAYBE Wildoer.
Mangini is the one who threw his sticks in the air.
Just as bad?I'm just happy Mike didn't "direct" this. Anyone remember SFaM DVD? Yikes.
I think he also directed Score and Budokan. Remember how they turned out?
Umm... no?Just as bad?I'm just happy Mike didn't "direct" this. Anyone remember SFaM DVD? Yikes.
I think he also directed Score and Budokan. Remember how they turned out?
Budokan is beautiful. The show's pretty good, but the documentary on the bonus disc is absolutely gorgeous.Just as bad?I'm just happy Mike didn't "direct" this. Anyone remember SFaM DVD? Yikes.
I think he also directed Score and Budokan. Remember how they turned out?
I still think Minnemann is the best fit.....like a glove!!absolutely this. Too bad he supposedly won't be the drummer. I still have my fingers crossed that these rumors are false and that he is in-fact a part of DT.
I still think Minnemann is the best fit.....like a glove!!absolutely this. Too bad he supposedly won't be the drummer. I still have my fingers crossed that these rumors are false and that he is in-fact a part of DT.
I'm going to play devil's advocate for just a second here, even though this is a complete reversal of some things I've said in the past. Here's a "what-if" for you: Given that they're doing such a media production about this, there has obviously been a good amount of pre-planning. It seems to me that they would have taken necessary steps to limit spoiler information as much as possible. So, that being said, what if a lot of the things that have been said about some of the 7 are intentional misdirection or at least red herrings to keep things intentionally confused and under wraps. I've been pretty certain about who it is for a long time now based on things I've heard. But, really, I think all bets are somewhat off. I wouldn't be surprised if it is any of the 7.
ME too. Minnemann or Lang.This.
I still think Minnemann is the best fit.....like a glove!!absolutely this. Too bad he supposedly won't be the drummer. I still have my fingers crossed that these rumors are false and that he is in-fact a part of DT.
I'm going to play devil's advocate for just a second here, even though this is a complete reversal of some things I've said in the past. Here's a "what-if" for you: Given that they're doing such a media production about this, there has obviously been a good amount of pre-planning. It seems to me that they would have taken necessary steps to limit spoiler information as much as possible. So, that being said, what if a lot of the things that have been said about some of the 7 are intentional misdirection or at least red herrings to keep things intentionally confused and under wraps. I've been pretty certain about who it is for a long time now based on things I've heard. But, really, I think all bets are somewhat off. I wouldn't be surprised if it is any of the 7.
That's true. Didn't Peter Wildoer HIMSELF say that he was not chosen? If one of them is blatantly lying for the cover-up, I'd imagine that all information can come under that same level of scrutiny. I'm pretty okay with this. :)
my interpretation of bosk's post is...
what if none of the 7 guys are the new drummer and it's someone else completely???
my interpretation of bosk's post is...
what if none of the 7 guys are the new drummer and it's someone else completely???
OH. MY. GOD. at some posts on the facebook page.
BUTTHURT AND PROG-SNOBS, BUTTHURT AND PROG-SNOBS EVERYWHERE.
LOL, looks like WMG is playing whack a mole on Youtube. Original one I watched is down with a WMG copyright notice on it already. Another one up. I'm sure it won't be there long. So yeah, I'd say they really don't want it there at this point in time.
I'm not necessarily butthurt about it, but I am kind of disappointed they tried to pull a VH1 special out of this. They're exploiting it to the max.Yeah, how dare they have a bit of fun and publicise the band in the process? DAMN THEM!
Am I the only one who thinks Marco Minneman looks like Dirk Nowitzki?No
That would be awesome. Seven drummers, seven songs. One guy gets to tour.
What if all 7 are the new drummers?
What I'm trying to say is: I don't give a damn who the new drummer is, I just want the album.I'm not necessarily butthurt about it, but I am kind of disappointed they tried to pull a VH1 special out of this. They're exploiting it to the max.Yeah, how dare they have a bit of fun and publicise the band in the process? DAMN THEM!
I'm not necessarily butthurt about it, but I am kind of disappointed they tried to pull a VH1 special out of this. They're exploiting it to the max.
Yeah, the black and white part where they're talking about MP gives a glimpse into why they haven't said much about it. We will get to hear they're side at some point.I'm not necessarily butthurt about it, but I am kind of disappointed they tried to pull a VH1 special out of this. They're exploiting it to the max.
We'll see how it turns out. Some Kind of Monster, in spite of the ego behind it, is one of the most brutally honest things anyone's ever put out about themselves to the media, which makes it great. I don't expect the same level of emotional depth and conflict here, but it can work and be great if it's open and honest instead of being an extended promo piece.
I'm not necessarily butthurt about it, but I am kind of disappointed they tried to pull a VH1 special out of this. They're exploiting it to the max.
This is what I'm afraid is going to happen.I'm not necessarily butthurt about it, but I am kind of disappointed they tried to pull a VH1 special out of this. They're exploiting it to the max.
So? So long as the music doesn't suffer (in the sense of them "selling out" to gain more popularity), it's all good.
This is what I'm afraid is going to happen.I'm not necessarily butthurt about it, but I am kind of disappointed they tried to pull a VH1 special out of this. They're exploiting it to the max.
So? So long as the music doesn't suffer (in the sense of them "selling out" to gain more popularity), it's all good.
Some Kind of Monster really just showed how washed up Metallica was as a group. It really served no other purpose than that. I hope DT's documentary doesn't show this kind of thing.
Some of these guys are gonna need bigger kits.
I am "friends" with 5 of the 7 drummers who auditions on FaceBook (and yes it is really them, promise) and told them I saw the vid and wished them the best of luck. About 5 minutes after I posted, Marco Minnemann actually responded telling me that he IS NOT the drummer of DT. But he's working with JR on the Musical Minds Meld thing, and he also mentioned that he's working on something with JR and JP...
after I posted, Marco Minnemann actually responded telling me that he IS NOT the drummer of DT
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing a smaller kit. I like it when drummers focus on the essentials. As with many other things, music thrives on limitation.
rumborak
Enough of this chit. How about a new, sticky, locked thread that we can bookmark and sign up for notifications when there is real news. I just can't be assed to wade through 16 pages of crap to find any solid newsU mad?
Still don't know why the old "updated" thread was removed that I had bookmarked - c'mon admins give us a break
Enough of this chit. How about a new, sticky, locked thread that we can bookmark and sign up for notifications when there is real news. I just can't be assed to wade through 16 pages of crap to find any solid news(https://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmxjv6UMKPvIbhpBjgA-mY5_x5KBVS3W0qubRhFGMU0ceCUshCfQ)
Still don't know why the old "updated" thread was removed that I had bookmarked - c'mon admins give us a break
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing a smaller kit. I like it when drummers focus on the essentials. As with many other things, music thrives on limitation.
rumborak
as a drummer myself, this comment urks me. "essential" is a subjective word at best, especially when it comes to music. besides, DT is about being over the top, is in not? if you want a 4 piece kit treatment go listen to nirvana.
regardless, anyone who says it's possible to make a 3 piece kit sound like 50 has never touched a drumstick in their life.
And anybody who claims prog needs to be played with a 50-piece drum kit has never listened to good prog.
IMHO, MP had a tendency to just "work" the big kit the easy way, with fills that just seemed to try to execute as many different pieces as possible. Again, this is my personal opinion, but I think art has a tendency to lose its focus if it is too unconstrained.
rumborak
JP: "We literally have been a family"I thought that!
Literally? LITERALLY? :P
Some Kind of Monster, in spite of the ego behind it, is one of the most brutally honest things anyone's ever put out about themselves to the media, which makes it great.
I raise you Metal: A Headbanger's Journey and Flight 666.Some Kind of Monster, in spite of the ego behind it, is one of the most brutally honest things anyone's ever put out about themselves to the media, which makes it great.
One of the best music documentaries out there 2nd only to Behind the Lighted Stage.
JLB: "We've been touched by some magic here; but I think, you know, there's still more to come"
Oooh, a sequel! Dream Theater 2: The Spirit Carries Onner?
Awesome video trailer. I'm very excited and proud to be a DT fan. Very classy and it's great to the the guys tackle this in such a creative way. Thanks, DT!This. I just watched the video and it gave me goosebumps. I'm very impressed. Throughout the whole audition time, we were all wishing the opportunity to witness it. Well, DT is granting our wish.
I wonder how long that has been on that site. Looks like it has been there for a long while :lol
EDIT: Holy crap, look at the Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/OverTheEdgeProd
Actually, since January 28, 2011.
So this TV thing means that us outside the US won't be able to watch? :/
OverTheEdgeProd Over the Edge
We're in the studio with Dream Theater today! First shoot day our documentary on the band!
18 oct
We can finally share what we've been working on for the past six months with you all! https://tinyurl.com/3e8hk39
I wonder how long that has been on that site. Looks like it has been there for a long while :lol
EDIT: Holy crap, look at the Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/OverTheEdgeProd
Actually, since January 28, 2011.
So this TV thing means that us outside the US won't be able to watch? :/
Actually, since October 18th, 2010:QuoteOverTheEdgeProd Over the Edge
We're in the studio with Dream Theater today! First shoot day our documentary on the band!
18 oct
Is there a way to keep twitters secret and then publish them or something like that? Because the most recent one says:QuoteWe can finally share what we've been working on for the past six months with you all! https://tinyurl.com/3e8hk39
It doesn't make sense, if they had already talked about it since october, why can they "finally" share what they've been working on?
This. I just watched the video and it gave me goosebumps. I'm very impressed. Throughout the whole audition time, we were all wishing the opportunity to witness it. Well, DT is granting our wish.
How anyone could have a problem with this is beyond me. This looks like an incredible treat. Even if the winner was leaked, I think would be irrevelevant. Just to have them share the process with us is an incredible gesture on the part of the band.
Sooo....vid was cool, but wasn't there supposed to be a date announced for the reveal? Or..did I miss something?
Could someone post the Youtube link. Can't access Facebook at work.
Could someone post the Youtube link.
Sorry bosk, didn't read through all the pages. Could someone then at least type a highly detailed synopsis of what happened in the video, pleeeeaaaasssseee.Could someone post the Youtube link.
No. I already said no YT links. Sorry. (besides, it was taken down)
Basically its a trailor for a documentary apparently titled Dream Theater 2011: The Spirit Carries On, about their search for a new drummer, which is how they're gonna announce the new drummer.man, I'd hate to see what your Cliffnotes version is like. :biggrin:
Sorry bosk, didn't read through all the pages. Could someone then at least type a highly detailed synopsis of what happened in the video, pleeeeaaaasssseee.Could someone post the Youtube link.
No. I already said no YT links. Sorry. (besides, it was taken down)
Sorry bosk, didn't read through all the pages. Could someone then at least type a highly detailed synopsis of what happened in the video, pleeeeaaaasssseee.Could someone post the Youtube link.
No. I already said no YT links. Sorry. (besides, it was taken down)
Sooo....vid was cool, but wasn't there supposed to be a date announced for the reveal? Or..did I miss something?
Nope. They never said that.
It mostly shows Myung's takes on MP departure and the proccess of searching the new drummer, Myung interview some of the drummers and tells how he is enjoying jamming with them and that the process is about having great chemistry with the new drummer. At the end he welcome the new drummer to the family with a tackle but you can't see who the drummer is in the shot.
*snip*
Then a live Chicken is sacrificed and people wearing Black cloaks bow down and pray. Then they tell you to wait longer to find something out. :tick2:Sorry bosk, didn't read through all the pages. Could someone then at least type a highly detailed synopsis of what happened in the video, pleeeeaaaasssseee.Could someone post the Youtube link.
No. I already said no YT links. Sorry. (besides, it was taken down)
Stereotypical, deep-voiced, melodramatic narrator (yes, I'm serious) is talking about how the members of DT rawk the universe. "Then, the unexpected happened. Their drummer, Mike Portnoy, decides to leave the band." Band is stunned. They somehow move on and start auditioning people. We see each of the seven playing drums, talking, playing more drums. Video ends with the 4 remaining members in the studio control room leaning over a phone, and JLB says, "we wanted to take the opportunity to say...welcome to the family." Video fades out.
Oh, and JLB says "monumental moment," probably after being slapped for saying "especially special" in an earlier take.
*snip*
Trying to get yourself banned?
(besides, already in the process of being taken down I think, just like the previous one)
rumborak
Uh, yes. Since I have now said twice in this thread that YouTube links are off-limits, you think I might possibly get a little peeved at people doing it anyway?or maybe yes, you could be banned. :biggrin:
Uh, yes. Since I have now said twice in this thread that YouTube links are off-limits, you think I might possibly get a little peeved at people doing it anyway?
Then don't post links to things until you've checked whether it's ok to post them! :facepalm:Uh, yes. Since I have now said twice in this thread that YouTube links are off-limits, you think I might possibly get a little peeved at people doing it anyway?
Sorry, haven't followed this at all, just saw it on youtube, haven't read through this thread at all.
Then don't post links to things until you've checked whether it's ok to post them! :facepalm:Uh, yes. Since I have now said twice in this thread that YouTube links are off-limits, you think I might possibly get a little peeved at people doing it anyway?
Sorry, haven't followed this at all, just saw it on youtube, haven't read through this thread at all.
:heartThen don't post links to things until you've checked whether it's ok to post them! :facepalm:Uh, yes. Since I have now said twice in this thread that YouTube links are off-limits, you think I might possibly get a little peeved at people doing it anyway?
Sorry, haven't followed this at all, just saw it on youtube, haven't read through this thread at all.
:'(
Then don't post links to things until you've checked whether it's ok to post them! :facepalm:Uh, yes. Since I have now said twice in this thread that YouTube links are off-limits, you think I might possibly get a little peeved at people doing it anyway?
Sorry, haven't followed this at all, just saw it on youtube, haven't read through this thread at all.
:'(
Wolfy didn't mean it. Let him live.
:heartThen don't post links to things until you've checked whether it's ok to post them! :facepalm:Uh, yes. Since I have now said twice in this thread that YouTube links are off-limits, you think I might possibly get a little peeved at people doing it anyway?
Sorry, haven't followed this at all, just saw it on youtube, haven't read through this thread at all.
:'(
Then don't post links to things until you've checked whether it's ok to post them! :facepalm:Uh, yes. Since I have now said twice in this thread that YouTube links are off-limits, you think I might possibly get a little peeved at people doing it anyway?
Sorry, haven't followed this at all, just saw it on youtube, haven't read through this thread at all.
:'(
AND don't go back and quote the post that has the link in it while I'm in the process of deleting the link in the first place because you are creating more posts that I have to edit! >:(
Wolfy didn't mean it. Let him live.
Wolfy didn't mean it. Let him live.
Of course I'll let him leave. He's young and still has his whole life ahead of him. You, on the other hand...
Fuck man, it was just an honest mistake, I sincerely apologize.
What's the definition of young around here??
am awesome? :angel:Wolfy didn't mean it. Let him live.
Of course I'll let him leave. He's young and still has his whole life ahead of him. You, on the other hand...
WHY YOU!!! >:( :censoredFuck man, it was just an honest mistake, I sincerely apologize.
I know. That's why I'm letting you live.What's the definition of young around here??
It's, like, the opposite of Tick.
What's the definition of young around here??
am awesome? :angel:Wolfy didn't mean it. Let him live.
Of course I'll let him leave. He's young and still has his whole life ahead of him. You, on the other hand...
:rollinam awesome? :angel:Wolfy didn't mean it. Let him live.
Of course I'll let him leave. He's young and still has his whole life ahead of him. You, on the other hand...
Yes, you am.
It's, like, the opposite of Tick.
Could someone post the Youtube link.
No. I already said no Y&T links. Sorry. (besides, it was taken down)
:TAC:
It's, like, the opposite of Tick.
Kettle meet........... :lol
I am on FB with Wildoer right now.
He is very talkative.
At last they wanted to try some new ideas. This was HAAAAAAAAARD! The ideas were in weird odd times and not one bar with the same meter. Very cool ideas and I got my head around it so and so after a while. If those ideas end up on the new DT album it will be PROG! :-)Oh wow! Very cool.
At last they wanted to try some new ideas. This was HAAAAAAAAARD! The ideas were in weird odd times and not one bar with the same meter. Very cool ideas and I got my head around it so and so after a while. If those ideas end up on the new DT album it will be PROG! :-)Oh wow! Very cool.
Cheers for going to the trouble! And to Peter for responding so candidly. Thank him from us. Although, might be a bit freaky. "Hey Peter, this conversation is being leched over by strangers as it happens." No, actually, don't thank him from us. Still! Nice.
"a tech song with 30 part changes within the space of 3 minutes"
Dance of Eternity?
Yeah, I did fine. I wouldn't change anything......but, then again....I didn't feel that gig was right for me anyway....from the very beginning.
I was very busy during that time period....only had a few weeks to learn a 20 minute song, a ballad, and a tech song with 30 part changes within the space of 3 minutes! Haha.
That all went well.....
We jammed a little while....was cool but, the environment (in ears, video, etc...) didn't lend itself to a lot of creative moments...plus the fact that these guys we're trying to "jam" in odd times, etc....
Then they threw some riffs at me to see how quickly I could spit out complex stuff.
Now this...was fun but, at the same time....I could tell that they were looking for a dude that will come in....and record an entire record in the studio...on the spot.
I've never wanted to work that way..... as I believe that if the business (need to put out a record quickly) over trumps the musical vision (taking time and creating the best you can)
then that ultimately directs where the band ends up in the future.
I like to sit on riffs for a few days.... at least and create the best possible part (as opposed to the automatic one)
All good though, like I said...was a load of fun and made some great friends out of it.
D
What about the song before TCOT? I sounds familiar but I just can't place it . . .
Wildoer seems to be very down to earth about this, as he says that it was unexpected for him to be asked to audition, and he couldn't believe it. He seems a very cool guy.
To be honest at the beginning of the speculations about the drummer, i was hoping for Donati to get the gig, but after watching this video i think i would love to see either Minnemann or Mangini as the new drummer.
Those guys seemed to have the most fun and are more exciting to watch while playing.
Taken from https://www.sickdrummermagazine.com/index.php/news/latest-news/2207-dream-theater-drummer-auditions-inside-story.html (https://www.sickdrummermagazine.com/index.php/news/latest-news/2207-dream-theater-drummer-auditions-inside-story.html)
There has been much talk over Dream Theater and the auditions they held to find a new drummer, since Mike Portnoy decided to leave the band last year. The band has stayed pretty quiet about the whole process, but now they gear up to announce their decision.
A source very close to the situation has told Sick Drummer Magazine the new drummer is Mike Mangini, and others who were asked/auditioned were: Derek Roddy, Marco Minnemann, Virgil Donati, Thomas Lang, Aquiles Priester and Peter Wildoer.
This was just posted 4/18 on the record label's website: "Dream Theater would like to share with its fans some of the intense process, along with the musical joy, that went into choosing a new drummer. Who is the best fit behind the kit? Go to Dream Theater’s Facebook page on Thursday, 4/21 at 11 AM to sign up for the mailing list and to receive more details about an exclusive and intimate look at the auditions, and to find out exactly when and how the momentous announcement about the band’s new lineup will be made. Also on Facebook, fans will be able to find out information about the band’s upcoming 2011 World Tour".
What we do not like about this situation is the way the band went about the video footage detail. We feel the drummers were used in a sense, for their popularity. Each drummer was sent a camera to use and were asked to film as much as they could surrounding the audition. They were told it was to become "bonus footage" on a future DVD or something to that effect. The drummers were asked to film themselves preparing for the audition, practicing, traveling to the audition and anything else they felt relative. Then, upon arriving at the actual audition the drummers were asked to sign a release handing over all the video footage they had recorded, and if they didn't, they were not going to be able to audition.
We feel this is somewhat taking advantage of the drummers who auditioned and could have been handled a better way. Perhaps informing the drummers of the plan and sending a video release to be reviewed in advance. Not sticking them with a release at the audition and holding that over their heads as a requirement to audition, only to use the footage to steam up the facebook page around the announcement of the new drummer.
Right. Much better to make an already long thread longer by reposting something that has already been posted and discussed.
(https://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r190/lamtwins/wildoer2.jpg)
Peter at audition
Cool, so now it's on page 5 and page 19. I can see why it would be important to have it on both of those momentous pages of the thread.
More importantly ZB, it's already been confirmed by Roddy and Wildoer that the claims in that article are nonsense and that DT were completely nice and up front about everything. Reposting it when it's already been debunked by the people who auditioned seems a bit strange.
Maybe that's just someone that auditioned who was bitter that they didn't get picked or something. I have a hard time believing the site that posted that would just make it up. Still interesting, at any rate.Not made it up necessarily, but "we heard it from someone" is far from concrete, and when the people themselves are disagreeing, it would indicate that the story has either been fabricated or at the very least exaggerated from what someone heard.
Seems strange they'd even have anyone audition who considers "jamming in weird time signatures" to be a hindrance creatively.Wasn't it Roddy who said that?
I do agree with him on song and drum part writing though. Wildoer for DT producer!
But what do I think DT's motivations are? There are three primary reasons they did this...
More importantly ZB, it's already been confirmed by Roddy and Wildoer that the claims in that article are nonsense and that DT were completely nice and up front about everything. Reposting it when it's already been debunked by the people who auditioned seems a bit strange.
See, this would have been nice to know. Bosk didn't mention that, and as I said I didn't get a chance to read through 15+ pages to see if it had been debunked.
More importantly ZB, it's already been confirmed by Roddy and Wildoer that the claims in that article are nonsense and that DT were completely nice and up front about everything. Reposting it when it's already been debunked by the people who auditioned seems a bit strange.
See, this would have been nice to know. Bosk didn't mention that, and as I said I didn't get a chance to read through 15+ pages to see if it had been debunked.
Maybe Bosk was annoyed at the tone of your "maybe this has been fully explained, but F.U. bosk. I can't be bothered to find out, so I'm just going to post it anyway" post (not to mention the other crap you've been pulling around here lately).
More importantly ZB, it's already been confirmed by Roddy and Wildoer that the claims in that article are nonsense and that DT were completely nice and up front about everything. Reposting it when it's already been debunked by the people who auditioned seems a bit strange.
See, this would have been nice to know. Bosk didn't mention that, and as I said I didn't get a chance to read through 15+ pages to see if it had been debunked.
Maybe Bosk was annoyed at the tone of your "maybe this has been fully explained, but F.U. bosk. I can't be bothered to find out, so I'm just going to post it anyway" post (not to mention the other crap you've been pulling around here lately).
Look, I'm not going to argue and derail the thread and give you material to ban me with (which is clearly what you want), but my OP was NOTHING of that extent. There were 15 pages, did you honestly expect me to read through all of them in 10 minutes? I was around earlier today when that was posted, and just came back a little bit ago. I figured if I simply quoted a post to raise discussion, that would be ok. If there was already more discussion on it than the five posts I saw, I figured that would have been stated and we could just have moved on. Wouldn't derail the thread or anything, simple as that. You could have just said "We already discussed that, parts of the article regarding the treatment of the drummer have been proven false". Instead you posted a very sarcastic and rude reply to me.
You're acting as if I reposted the article to spite you or something. I just reposted an article man. Calm down. And I don't know what "other crap" I've been pulling around here, but I would like to hear it if you want to PM me and discuss this further.
More importantly ZB, it's already been confirmed by Roddy and Wildoer that the claims in that article are nonsense and that DT were completely nice and up front about everything. Reposting it when it's already been debunked by the people who auditioned seems a bit strange.
See, this would have been nice to know. Bosk didn't mention that, and as I said I didn't get a chance to read through 15+ pages to see if it had been debunked.
Maybe Bosk was annoyed at the tone of your "maybe this has been fully explained, but F.U. bosk. I can't be bothered to find out, so I'm just going to post it anyway" post (not to mention the other crap you've been pulling around here lately).
Look, I'm not going to argue and derail the thread and give you material to ban me with (which is clearly what you want), but my OP was NOTHING of that extent. There were 15 pages, did you honestly expect me to read through all of them in 10 minutes? I was around earlier today when that was posted, and just came back a little bit ago. I figured if I simply quoted a post to raise discussion, that would be ok. If there was already more discussion on it than the five posts I saw, I figured that would have been stated and we could just have moved on. Wouldn't derail the thread or anything, simple as that. You could have just said "We already discussed that, parts of the article regarding the treatment of the drummer have been proven false". Instead you posted a very sarcastic and rude reply to me.
You're acting as if I reposted the article to spite you or something. I just reposted an article man. Calm down. And I don't know what "other crap" I've been pulling around here, but I would like to hear it if you want to PM me and discuss this further.
Look, I'm not going to argue and derail the thread and give you material to ban me with (which is clearly what you want),
But *goes onto derailing thread*
Look, I'm not going to argue and derail the thread and give you material to ban me with (which is clearly what you want),
:tupBut *goes onto derailing thread*
:facepalm:
Why don't we just go back to the discussion at hand. If bosk wants to talk about this, we can do it via PM.
Look, I'm not going to argue and derail the thread and give you material to ban me with (which is clearly what you want),
:tupBut *goes onto derailing thread*
:facepalm:
so, roddy and wildoer (sp?) are out.
that leaves 5.
Parts of that voiceover couldn't have been more cheesy!
I actually don't. The only thing I've ever watch from Syfy was Battlestar Galactica and I watched it on video.Parts of that voiceover couldn't have been more cheesy!
You obviously don't watch much SciFi Channel. :blob:
Wildoer seems to be very down to earth about this, as he says that it was unexpected for him to be asked to audition, and he couldn't believe it. He seems a very cool guy.
To be honest at the beginning of the speculations about the drummer, i was hoping for Donati to get the gig, but after watching this video i think i would love to see either Minnemann or Mangini as the new drummer.
Those guys seemed to have the most fun and are more exciting to watch while playing.
I didn't like the Terms of Service for the app that has to be joined, so I guess I don't get to see the video. I sure don't want to agree to let them spam me. "DTR Music may email me directly at " the email address I use to log on.
Wildoer seems to be very down to earth about this, as he says that it was unexpected for him to be asked to audition, and he couldn't believe it. He seems a very cool guy.
To be honest at the beginning of the speculations about the drummer, i was hoping for Donati to get the gig, but after watching this video i think i would love to see either Minnemann or Mangini as the new drummer.
Those guys seemed to have the most fun and are more exciting to watch while playing.
And this is based on watching each of them say maybe two sentences, in maybe 10 seconds of video each? LOL. Not that I know anything about any of the candidates, but, you've got to admit that drawing conclusions from this clip is a bit ridiculous.
Two more things occur to me:
- It's interesting that Roddy and Wildoer flat out said they couldn't quite keep up with the material. While I'm not sure how good they are in comparison to the other drummers, these guys are very good. It says a lot about how technically advanced DT really is.
Two more things occur to me:
- It's interesting that Roddy and Wildoer flat out said they couldn't quite keep up with the material. While I'm not sure how good they are in comparison to the other drummers, these guys are very good. It says a lot about how technically advanced DT really is.
- Also interesting about them is that, in a sense, they were just looking for a gig. I 100% understand this, but for DT it's not the best attitude. When you compare that to Lang (seemed to genuinely want to find a home in a band, actually very surprising), Minnemann (genuinely excited about the idea of the DT lifestyle), and Mangini (willing to quit being a professor at Berkelee), it's easy to tell why just from their attitude they didn't make it. I don't think this is a bad thing, different people belong in different situations and they did their jobs like professionals for the auditions. But it shows why personality is just as important as ability.
Two more things occur to me:
- It's interesting that Roddy and Wildoer flat out said they couldn't quite keep up with the material. While I'm not sure how good they are in comparison to the other drummers, these guys are very good. It says a lot about how technically advanced DT really is.
When did they say that? I think I missed it.
Two more things occur to me:
- It's interesting that Roddy and Wildoer flat out said they couldn't quite keep up with the material. While I'm not sure how good they are in comparison to the other drummers, these guys are very good. It says a lot about how technically advanced DT really is.
When did they say that? I think I missed it.
Two more things occur to me:
- It's interesting that Roddy and Wildoer flat out said they couldn't quite keep up with the material. While I'm not sure how good they are in comparison to the other drummers, these guys are very good. It says a lot about how technically advanced DT really is.
When did they say that? I think I missed it.
The way I worded that was too vague and dramatic. What I meant was that when they got to the "we're going to throw super hard riffs at you and see what you come up with on the spot" section, neither of them felt wholly comfortable. Roddy openly said it was a bit much for him and that it wasn't his way of writing. Wildoer seems like he was a little more comfortable but still not fully at their speed.
im not sure who said that, but that's total bullstuff. roddy and wildoer could definitely keep up, they are phenomenal drummers, even if they aren't familiar with prog (which doesn't even matter).
We jammed a little while....was cool but, the environment (in ears, video, etc...) didn't lend itself to a lot of creative moments...plus the fact that these guys we're trying to "jam" in odd times, etc....
Then they threw some riffs at me to see how quickly I could spit out complex stuff.
Now this...was fun but, at the same time....I could tell that they were looking for a dude that will come in....and record an entire record in the studio...on the spot.
I've never wanted to work that way..... as I believe that if the business (need to put out a record quickly) over trumps the musical vision (taking time and creating the best you can)
then that ultimately directs where the band ends up in the future.
I like to sit on riffs for a few days.... at least and create the best possible part (as opposed to the automatic one)
Peter Wildoer -My audition started with two jams where we set the levels for in ears and just felt eachother out, musically that is. ;-) After that we went through the three songs they sent me. I guess you'll get to know what songs it was on the next ep...isode of the DT video. ;-) At last they wanted to try some new ideas. This was HAAAAAAAAARD! The ideas were in weird odd times and not one bar with the same meter. Very cool ideas and I got my head around it so and so after a while. If those ideas end up on the new DT album it will be PROG! :-)
Thanks dude..I had a great conversation with Peter Wildoer tonite which I posted some of(not all BTW). So maybe before making presumumptions, some people may want to read a thread before posting "their" conclusions.Wildoer seems to be very down to earth about this, as he says that it was unexpected for him to be asked to audition, and he couldn't believe it. He seems a very cool guy.
To be honest at the beginning of the speculations about the drummer, i was hoping for Donati to get the gig, but after watching this video i think i would love to see either Minnemann or Mangini as the new drummer.
Those guys seemed to have the most fun and are more exciting to watch while playing.
And this is based on watching each of them say maybe two sentences, in maybe 10 seconds of video each? LOL. Not that I know anything about any of the candidates, but, you've got to admit that drawing conclusions from this clip is a bit ridiculous.
no, it's based on other things that wildoer has said, most notably on roddy's forum and a fb chat someone had with him. all of which have been posted here.
@ Reapsta. I did not make it up at all. and Peter would attest to it. In fact, I could post the exact conversation from him. link and all. I respect Peter as a person & musician and totally beleive what he told me.im not sure who said that, but that's total bullstuff. roddy and wildoer could definitely keep up, they are phenomenal drummers, even if they aren't familiar with prog (which doesn't even matter).
Ugh.
https://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74093&page=2Quote from: Derek RoddyWe jammed a little while....was cool but, the environment (in ears, video, etc...) didn't lend itself to a lot of creative moments...plus the fact that these guys we're trying to "jam" in odd times, etc....
Then they threw some riffs at me to see how quickly I could spit out complex stuff.
Now this...was fun but, at the same time....I could tell that they were looking for a dude that will come in....and record an entire record in the studio...on the spot.
I've never wanted to work that way..... as I believe that if the business (need to put out a record quickly) over trumps the musical vision (taking time and creating the best you can)
then that ultimately directs where the band ends up in the future.
I like to sit on riffs for a few days.... at least and create the best possible part (as opposed to the automatic one)
Maybe he could handle the riffs, in which case I went a bit too far. But he clearly seemed uncomfortable with them. Bad for the drummer of DT.Peter Wildoer -My audition started with two jams where we set the levels for in ears and just felt eachother out, musically that is. ;-) After that we went through the three songs they sent me. I guess you'll get to know what songs it was on the next ep...isode of the DT video. ;-) At last they wanted to try some new ideas. This was HAAAAAAAAARD! The ideas were in weird odd times and not one bar with the same meter. Very cool ideas and I got my head around it so and so after a while. If those ideas end up on the new DT album it will be PROG! :-)
I guess you could say njdtfan made this up. Like I said, not the same attitude as Roddy, but the fact he called it hard meant he was forced to play a level higher than he was comfortable.
I have the feeling that Mangini at the very least probably heard the super hard riffs and just knocked them out with no effort, which is what DT wanted. MP might not be technically the best drummer, but simply through a lot of practice he had learned to naturally play in odd times without thinking it through.
I took a screenshot in the moment where one of the drummers is holding a letter. I'm trying to figure out what it says:
"To The World's Greatest Drummers
Welcome to the auditions!
We're sorry we don't have a practice room. But we do have something for you to practice on - and doing so will provide instant gratification, the treat's inside!
Please attack this drum with the mallet we've provided, just as you're going to do for real in the studio! :)
Best wishes to an audition that blows everyone away!"
This is probably a FAIL transcription, feel free to help me out....if you have nothing better to do, like me.
im not sure who said that, but that's total bullstuff. roddy and wildoer could definitely keep up, they are phenomenal drummers, even if they aren't familiar with prog (which doesn't even matter).
Ugh.
https://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74093&page=2Quote from: Derek RoddyWe jammed a little while....was cool but, the environment (in ears, video, etc...) didn't lend itself to a lot of creative moments...plus the fact that these guys we're trying to "jam" in odd times, etc....
Then they threw some riffs at me to see how quickly I could spit out complex stuff.
Now this...was fun but, at the same time....I could tell that they were looking for a dude that will come in....and record an entire record in the studio...on the spot.
I've never wanted to work that way..... as I believe that if the business (need to put out a record quickly) over trumps the musical vision (taking time and creating the best you can)
then that ultimately directs where the band ends up in the future.
I like to sit on riffs for a few days.... at least and create the best possible part (as opposed to the automatic one)
Maybe he could handle the riffs, in which case I went a bit too far. But he clearly seemed uncomfortable with them. Bad for the drummer of DT.Peter Wildoer -My audition started with two jams where we set the levels for in ears and just felt eachother out, musically that is. ;-) After that we went through the three songs they sent me. I guess you'll get to know what songs it was on the next ep...isode of the DT video. ;-) At last they wanted to try some new ideas. This was HAAAAAAAAARD! The ideas were in weird odd times and not one bar with the same meter. Very cool ideas and I got my head around it so and so after a while. If those ideas end up on the new DT album it will be PROG! :-)
I guess you could say njdtfan made this up. Like I said, not the same attitude as Roddy, but the fact he called it hard meant he was forced to play a level higher than he was comfortable.
I have the feeling that Mangini at the very least probably heard the super hard riffs and just knocked them out with no effort, which is what DT wanted. MP might not be technically the best drummer, but simply through a lot of practice he had learned to naturally play in odd times without thinking it through.
@ Reapsta. I did not make it up at all. and Peter would attest to it. In fact, I could post the exact conversation from him. link and all. I respect Peter as a person & musician and totally beleive what he told me.
I understand what Roddy is trying to say about writing and I kinda agree with him.
No offense at all dude ;D. Trust me, i believe 1/2 of what I read on the internet. But when I say what Peter told me, I beleive it. I am in NO WAY trying to cause commotion. Just relaying (with Peters blessing) the convo.@ Reapsta. I did not make it up at all. and Peter would attest to it. In fact, I could post the exact conversation from him. link and all. I respect Peter as a person & musician and totally beleive what he told me.
Sorry if I caused offense. I obviously can't be 100% certain, but I believe you're telling the truth.
I was very busy during that time period....only had a few weeks to learn a 20 minute song, a ballad, and a tech song with 30 part changes within the space of 3 minutes! Haha.
Regarding song choice, didn't Zeleny confirm that the three songs were TDOE, TSCO, and ANTR?
He seems rather passive aggressive.
I understand what Roddy is trying to say about writing and I kinda agree with him.I don't believe there is any "right" or "wrong" way to approach music - that's just the way DT do things and they like it and it works for them. Obviously Roddy doesn't dig it so he probably wasn't the right fit, and that's all he said really, although he did come across as just slightly arrogant about it.
Also, every post of his really comes across as bitter.Interesting, I don't get that vibe at all. He seems to have enjoyed the process but felt that he wouldn't be the right fit for DT anyway because of a different approach to writing music.
interesting roddy quote
"
One thing that was said directly to me was....."whoever it will be.....it's got to be the fans choice...someone the fans are completely happy with".
D "
Also, every post of his really comes across as bitter.Interesting, I don't get that vibe at all.
Well finally I feel I can post here. I've been following this forum quite closely since September and I want to thank you all for entertaining reading! Most of all I'm very impressed with the detective work around here and the enormous commitment concerning the audition, fantastic fans!Oh brilliant! Who's your favourite member? It's me, right?
hi everyone. i just wanted to say i am not the new drummer for dream theater. I did not even heard of dream theater until someone ask me am i new drummer. sorry to disappoint you all. keep it metal.
AP
To Mladen: I'm the guy at 1:39, Lang at 1:44 and Roddy at 2:02.Thanks for that, Peter. :) I wasn't too familiar with your work when Mike left the band, but after hearing your incredible drumming on Static impulse, you were my first choice for the new Dream Theater drummer, even though I had no idea what you look like. ;D I'm blown away by your playing, and even though I have a feeling you're not the new drummer, I'll be following what you're doing in the future. Great to hear from you. :tup
Thanks for posting Peter. We hope to keep hearing from you here. I' m sure you did great at the audition, and hopefully we will watch all the auditons soon :):lol That one was a joke account, but as far as I can tell, Peter is legit.
PS. I remembered how I had loled at this...hi everyone. i just wanted to say i am not the new drummer for dream theater. I did not even heard of dream theater until someone ask me am i new drummer. sorry to disappoint you all. keep it metal.
AP
It's great to see great musicians posting here on DT.
First, let me add the obligatory, thanks for posting, Peter, its very cool you took the time to pop on in.Can someone please, "take the time" and answer my inquiry please?
I do have a question for anyone who can answer. Who is the much older guy in the auditions? He looks like Micky Thomas from Jefferson Starship.
It's great to see great musicians posting here on DT.
Aww thanks man.
First, let me add the obligatory, thanks for posting, Peter, its very cool you took the time to pop on in.Can someone please, "take the time" and answer my inquiry please?
I do have a question for anyone who can answer. Who is the much older guy in the auditions? He looks like Micky Thomas from Jefferson Starship.
First, let me add the obligatory, thanks for posting, Peter, its very cool you took the time to pop on in.Can someone please, "take the time" and answer my inquiry please?
I do have a question for anyone who can answer. Who is the much older guy in the auditions? He looks like Micky Thomas from Jefferson Starship.
First, let me add the obligatory, thanks for posting, Peter, its very cool you took the time to pop on in.Can someone please, "take the time" and answer my inquiry please?
I do have a question for anyone who can answer. Who is the much older guy in the auditions? He looks like Micky Thomas from Jefferson Starship.
Oh wait, now I look at it again, I guess you mean Virgil Donati. This guy?That would be the guy! Thanks. Am I off in saying he resembles Mickey Thomas? Especially if you've seen Micky lately. They look very similar.
(https://www.pearldrum.com/art/artists/images/bio/bio_donati_virgil.jpg)
All this said I can also add that I work as a math teacher.
Hey there!
Well finally I feel I can post here. I've been following this forum quite closely since September and I want to thank you all for entertaining reading! Most of all I'm very impressed with the detective work around here and the enormous commitment concerning the audition, fantastic fans!
I have so many things I've read over the last months that I would like to comment. I don't remember all and I'm not sure how much I can say without destroying the next video(s). I've been a DT fan since I saw the "Pull me under" video on MTV's Headbanger's Ball in the spring of 1993 and I don't consider myself being a guy that just wanted a gig and not being a fan like some may think!
I want to clarify one thing that was discussed here yesterday regarding the odd meter "test" the guys threw at us. First of all it was not like the normal rehearsal auditioning for DT, I mean it's DT! I was nervous for a month before the audition and when they told me they wanted to try some new ideas and then when they started playing the first idea I almost froze, ha ha ha. I could almost not hear what they were playing! I promise it was not easy.
Well, the guys are very humble and fantastic individuals and told me all the other drummers were kind of surprised too when presented to this test and that it was cool. Like already quoted here I got my head around it so and so and one idea we even jammed around. At the day of my audition even Virgil told me that I was in for a treat at some point on the audition, didn't make me less nervous, ha ha ha!!! All this said I can also add that I work as a math teacher. ;) I guess I'm the only one out of all the seven that don't do music full time but work a normal day job.
Hey guys. I've been really busy the past few days. Seems like a ton of information has come out. I don't think I have time right now to go back through the thread so if someone doesn't mind, could someone fill me in?
Sorry for being lazy.
4/21/2011: DT release video trailer of the new drummer auditions on the band's Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dream-Theater/7677942180). The video reveals that the following seven drummers auditioned: 1. Mike Mangini 2. Thomas Lang 3. Virgil Donati 4. Marco Minnemann 5. Aquiles Priester 6. Derek Roddy 7. Peter Wildoer. We still do NOT know when the full video will be released, in what format (online/bonus content with new album/one video vs. several/etc.) or when the new drummer will be announced.
Peter Wildoer -My audition started with two jams where we set the levels for in ears and just felt eachother out, musically that is. ;-) After that we went through the three songs they sent me. I guess you'll get to know what songs it was on the next ep...isode of the DT video. ;-) At last they wanted to try some new ideas. This was HAAAAAAAAARD! The ideas were in weird odd times and not one bar with the same meter. Very cool ideas and I got my head around it so and so after a while. If those ideas end up on the new DT album it will be PROG! :-)
It will be very interesting to see what the new guy is allowed to offer from a
creative perspective...or if DT just wanted someone to come in a lay down what they envisioned, at least for this one album anyways.
Well finally I feel I can post here. I've been following this forum quite closely since September...
They all used the same set.
They all used the same set.
Exactly, I was referring to the position of cymbals. It may mean nothing after all.They all used the same set.
The point relates to how the kit is set up.
So, Peter, I guess the next logical question that we all MUST have answered is: How do you feel about the vocal stylings of the artist known as Rebecca Black? Inquiring forum members want to know.
Did you create a special colour scheme for PW? As in purple=possible DT drummer/simply musician? Because that's awesome :metal
They all used the same set.
Which BTW is something I like. It makes each drummer's performance about the performance rather than the kit.
Did you create a special colour scheme for PW? As in purple=possible DT drummer/simply musician? Because that's awesome :metalWe have had a few people visit the forum from time to time who might fall into those categories, but I don't give that user group if they are posting here "under cover."
Did you create a special colour scheme for PW? As in purple=possible DT drummer/simply musician? Because that's awesome :metalWe have had a few people visit the forum from time to time who might fall into those categories, but I don't give that user group if they are posting here "under cover."
Aniland is John Myung, isn't he? It's OK Bosk, you can tell us.
I agree that it is most likely Mangini, but not for any of the reasons you just posted. All 7 drummers used the same kit for the auditions.
EDIT: skydivingninja'd
They all used the same set.
The point relates to how the kit is set up.
:omg: I just realized something...Well finally I feel I can post here. I've been following this forum quite closely since September...
So...er...that would include 4/1, right? :blush
So, Peter, I guess the next logical question that we all MUST have answered is: How do you feel about the vocal stylings of the artist known as Rebecca Black? Inquiring forum members want to know.
Hey there!Hi, Peter, and welcome. It's great to have you here, and I hope you will remain somewhat active when time allows!
Well finally I feel I can post here. I've been following this forum quite closely since September and I want to thank you all for entertaining reading! Most of all I'm very impressed with the detective work around here and the enormous commitment concerning the audition, fantastic fans!
One thing I'm still learning are all the abbreviation you and all DT (see even I use these abbreviations now, ha ha ha) fans use like JP, JR, ANTR etc... It's like you have your own language. ;)
Hey, you know, while we're on the subject, I just realized something... Does anyone know what day it is today?
Hey, you know, while we're on the subject, I just realized something... Does anyone know what day it is today?Friday, Friday
Hey, you know, while we're on the subject, I just realized something... Does anyone know what day it is today?It's GOOD FRIDAY!!! Three days without Jesus :(
Hey, you know, while we're on the subject, I just realized something... Does anyone know what day it is today?Friday, Friday
Gotta get down on Friday
Also, could any mod please add that official link to the OP?
JP: "Dream Theater has never been just one person."Not necessarily.
Does anybody else think that this was a sort of refutation of Portnoy's hefty control over the band in past years? As a sort of, "Look, those days are kaput."
WTF just happened to my forum look preference?
WTF just happened to my forum look preference?Oh, I see.
JP: "Dream Theater has never been just one person."
Does anybody else think that this was a sort of refutation of Portnoy's hefty control over the band in past years? As a sort of, "Look, those days are kaput."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ReCtipPac :lolI like this version. Pretty freaky though
Anyway, I wouldn't worry about your place coming across as "negative" bosk. I mean, I think this place is a far cry more positive than most place on the interwebz. I'm sure Peter has been on Youtube before so I'd be very surprised if any negativity here (which is tame at best) would actually phase him
Anyway, I wouldn't worry about your place coming across as "negative" bosk. I mean, I think this place is a far cry more positive than most place on the interwebz. I'm sure Peter has been on Youtube before so I'd be very surprised if any negativity here (which is tame at best) would actually phase him
I know. But I can't help but think back to the first time I met Mike and was introduced to him as the forum admin for this place. I was shocked at how visibly hurt he was over some things he had read here. And while I feel he overreacted and focused too much on the negative and not on the overwhelming majority of positive comments that are usually here, it was a reminder to me that sometimes it is the few negative comments that can stick in people's minds.
I know. But I can't help but think back to the first time I met Mike and was introduced to him as the forum admin for this place. I was shocked at how visibly hurt he was over some things he had read here. And while I feel he overreacted and focused too much on the negative and not on the overwhelming majority of positive comments that are usually here, it was a reminder to me that sometimes it is the few negative comments that can stick in people's minds.
You want to see a negative band forum? Go to the Rush Counterparts forum.
90% of the band forums I have seen over the years have been either way too fanboyish or way too critical (constructive criticism is never a bad thing, but when over the top criticism is levied in seemingly almost every thread, it is no good). This is one of the very few that seems to have a good middle ground, which is probably why it is the one I have stuck with.
What I'm really excited about is to see the different approaches of the drummers to the songs they had to learn. I really hope to see a lot of variety.
rumborak
Watched it again. I can't wait to see the full thing !
Watched it again. I can't wait to see the full thing !
Yea, I must have watched it like 20-25 times already. I can't get enough.
I think it was James.
I just realized one of my fav parts of the trailer is toward the end when The Count of Tuscany is playing in the background. The footage quickly flips thru each drummer as they play along to that exact part of TCoT and it ends with a big splash by Wildoer as MP hits the splash. Awesome. It starts at like 2:23.
Greetings all,
Somewhere-between-long-and-short-time reader and first-time poster. Been a DT fan for a few years now, so obviously I cannot speak from a perspective of having been there since the beginning but I do consider myself a bigger-than-average fan, these guys have been a positive influence on my personal musical landscape since 2006 and there are varying things I enjoy about every single one of their albums (besides the first which I have not heard yet).
Anyway, about this documentary: I think at first I was taken aback by the fact that DT actually had a doc made about the process of finding a new drummer, and resistant to the idea. Now after having thought about it and seeing the trailer for it, I think this doc looks to be not only very exciting and enjoyable but very insightful as well, a more personal look into the collaborative process that these guys share. Also, besides raising the stock of the band considerably, I believe it can only help the portfolio of each drummer who auditioned as well (If resumes actually exist for musicians, to be able to put on there 'Chosen to audition for progressive metal band Dream Theater' would be a dream come true for ANY drummer!)
In the end it is win-win for all involved: the band, the drummers, and the fans. I really am excited to see this thing when it is released and cannot wait until DT11 comes out!
Anywho, nice to meet all of ya and look forward to the lively discussions I will inevitably take part of!
On the plus side I got a funny feeling when I saw TL playing along to DT. He impresses me more than the other candidates.
Anywho, nice to meet all of ya and look forward to the lively discussions I will inevitably take part of!
What I'm really excited about is to see the different approaches of the drummers to the songs they had to learn. I really hope to see a lot of variety.Yeah. I'm wondering if any of them decided to maybe go off track and 'ad lib' a bit or if they just robotically played MP's parts.
rumborak
I don't know if this has been said but I love the fact that it's James to give the news to the new drummer.
I don't know if this has been said but I love the fact that it's James to give the news to the new drummer.
I can't decide whether that part is real or whether it was just staged for dramatic effect for the video.
I don't know if this has been said but I love the fact that it's James to give the news to the new drummer.
I can't decide whether that part is real or whether it was just staged for dramatic effect for the video.
I don't know if this has been said but I love the fact that it's James to give the news to the new drummer.
I can't decide whether that part is real or whether it was just staged for dramatic effect for the video.
I wonder how many times they filmed it. Like if they got his voicemail the first time. Those would be great outtakes.
i think he was in the studio while they were in the control room when he said itI don't know if this has been said but I love the fact that it's James to give the news to the new drummer.
I can't decide whether that part is real or whether it was just staged for dramatic effect for the video.
I wonder how many times they filmed it. Like if they got his voicemail the first time. Those would be great outtakes.
i think he was in the studio while they were in the control room when he said itI don't know if this has been said but I love the fact that it's James to give the news to the new drummer.
I can't decide whether that part is real or whether it was just staged for dramatic effect for the video.
I wonder how many times they filmed it. Like if they got his voicemail the first time. Those would be great outtakes.
So it looks like it isn't Lang as he looks like being at the Mexico City Meinl Drum Festival when DT are playing in Kiev
https://www.meinldrumfestival.com/
bummer
I have no problems with what they are doing. I can't wait to see more.
So it looks like it isn't Lang as he looks like being at the Mexico City Meinl Drum Festival when DT are playing in Kiev
https://www.meinldrumfestival.com/
bummer
Every time I watch the clip I notice something different.
Look at 2:11. It is funny as hell.
James is saying "We've been touched by some magic here, but I think there is still more to come"
JR and JP are looking at him while he is speaking, while JM is clearly not even paying attention. He is looking the other direction with his arms crossed tapping his finger on his elbow. He is probably thinking, come on let's get this crap over with so I can go practice the new songs.
I'm actually also looking forward to the next video! I think this is a cool way to present all this and I just love seeing the other drummers and their approach. I noticed a lot of people on different forums, news pages etc that really think this is stupid and a sell out. Personally I love to as much of my favourite bands/musicians and also as much behind the scenes as possible.I completely agree, and it's great to see you post as such! We do have our share of cynics here on the forum, but actually the feeling towards this documentary has been overwhelmingly positive here (just go here - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22344.msg855308#top - to see 93% of people liking it) so I think compared to a lot of the internet, we don't do too badly. :biggrin:
I just think it's great to know that we'll see all these great drummers behind the scenes.Honestly, I can't wait for the rest of the videos/documentaries. I'm pumped!
Thanks a lot to all of you!
Makes it even more fun to post here.
Yes, it's very cool that most people like the documentary over here. I posted some thoughts on the Drummerworld forum but some people there really don't like it. I just think it's great to know that we'll see all these great drummers behind the scenes. I LOVE IT! :tup
Cheers
Peter
Mr. Wildoer, your avatar is incredible. :tup
Thanks a lot to all of you!
Makes it even more fun to post here.
Yes, it's very cool that most people like the documentary over here. I posted some thoughts on the Drummerworld forum but some people there really don't like it. I just think it's great to know that we'll see all these great drummers behind the scenes. I LOVE IT! :tup
Cheers
Peter
+1
Like I said in the other thread, the documentary generates positive publicity not just for DT, but also ALL of the drummers involved.
Thank YOU for posting here and sharing your experiences and perspective on all this. We as fans are obviously eating it up. Since the "official" band forums shut down a few years ago and I set up this place, we've sort of felt like the bastard step-children, so we love it when band members and those close to them drop in and share information.
...Well, except for David Prater. We pretty much did the Internet equivalent of tarring and feathering him and running him out of here on a rail. But that's another story. :lol
Thank YOU for posting here and sharing your experiences and perspective on all this. We as fans are obviously eating it up. Since the "official" band forums shut down a few years ago and I set up this place, we've sort of felt like the bastard step-children, so we love it when band members and those close to them drop in and share information.
...Well, except for David Prater. We pretty much did the Internet equivalent of tarring and feathering him and running him out of here on a rail. But that's another story. :lol
You know, I missed that (I think I was on a long study ban or my internet was down or something). What happened?
Mr. Wildoer, your avatar is incredible. :tup
Ha ha, I just love LEGO. My son is five and that makes it legit for me to play with it! :lol
A friend of mine built it for me.
Cheers
Yeah, did Myung speak...or tackle James?
Glad you like Static Impulse! I'm really happy how that album came out. I know some of you hate my screaming and I'm sorry for that, but it was not me that entered the studio and said "Hey guys, I will do some screaming on some songs even though it's JLB's album and that's it". :lol Both James and Matt wanted this approach and when they found out that I did lead vocals (screams) on Christofer Malmström's (Darkane) solo album "Non-Human Level" and also some vocals on the Darkane albums they wanted me to do the growls.
Yes, Myung did speak.I believed everything you said up to this point :P
Ugh... What has happened to my favorite band? Cheesy reality show tactics? Horrible trailers? What happened to the DT that used to be about music and only the music?
I guess I'd be ok with all of this if they just changed their name and laid "Dream Theater" to rest. It seems that DT is more about theater and less about music. It is a sad state of affairs, an all time low, and I for one am close to writing all of this bullshit off.
I see your point. I guess I just had the urge to expand on when I said it was lame in a previous post. As always, I've been torn on the whole "DT without MP" situation. I guess at the moment I'm seeing it in a negative light.
I posted it probably just to get it off of my chest as opposed to simply being a jerk (although it probably looks like the latter!). Not trying to sh!t on DT. Just curious of anyone else has similar thoughts.
I see your point. I guess I just had the urge to expand on when I said it was lame in a previous post. As always, I've been torn on the whole "DT without MP" situation. I guess at the moment I'm seeing it in a negative light.
I posted it probably just to get it off of my chest as opposed to simply being a jerk (although it probably looks like the latter!). Not trying to sh!t on DT. Just curious of anyone else has similar thoughts.
That's fine. I'm sure the band understands that surely this approach will not please everybody. But it seems most people are genuinely excited about this. Sorry you don't like it. Maybe the album will rekindle your interests if, as I'm sure it will be, the tunes are solid.
By far, the best thread here at DTF. I loved every moment of that thread.Thank YOU for posting here and sharing your experiences and perspective on all this. We as fans are obviously eating it up. Since the "official" band forums shut down a few years ago and I set up this place, we've sort of felt like the bastard step-children, so we love it when band members and those close to them drop in and share information.
...Well, except for David Prater. We pretty much did the Internet equivalent of tarring and feathering him and running him out of here on a rail. But that's another story. :lol
You know, I missed that (I think I was on a long study ban or my internet was down or something). What happened?
He is user Havona in this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=207.msg50566#msg50566
Peter thanks for being so open! Let me ask you a question.....who's the new drummer?;D :corn
Ugh... What has happened to my favorite band? Cheesy reality show tactics? Horrible trailers? What happened to the DT that used to be about music and only the music?
I guess I'd be ok with all of this if they just changed their name and laid "Dream Theater" to rest. It seems that DT is more about theater and less about music. It is a sad state of affairs, an all time low, and I for one am close to writing all of this bullshit off.
Thank YOU for posting here and sharing your experiences and perspective on all this. We as fans are obviously eating it up. Since the "official" band forums shut down a few years ago and I set up this place, we've sort of felt like the bastard step-children, so we love it when band members and those close to them drop in and share information.lol I remember that. What a goat scrotum he was.
...Well, except for David Prater. We pretty much did the Internet equivalent of tarring and feathering him and running him out of here on a rail. But that's another story. :lol
Thanks a lot Mladen for you way too kind words!!! :) Very glad you enjoy the SI album! I think you were the first one that voted for me in the poll and after that I remembered your avatar. Later on I think you changed your vote though, correct? If that's the case I forgive you for that... :lolYeah, I did change my vote. As you've seen, there were some clues to who might and who might not be the drummer. I remember some of us believing Charlie Zeleny was the one for a while. At a certain point it was either Mangini, Minnemann or Lang, so I decided to move my vote to Mangini, as I recall. :) I'm pretty sure I placed my bet right - but it's yet to be seen. ;D
Very cool if you want to follow what I do next!!!
Oh god yes, such a good point!Ugh... What has happened to my favorite band? Cheesy reality show tactics? Horrible trailers? What happened to the DT that used to be about music and only the music?
I guess I'd be ok with all of this if they just changed their name and laid "Dream Theater" to rest. It seems that DT is more about theater and less about music. It is a sad state of affairs, an all time low, and I for one am close to writing all of this bullshit off.
They have always been big fans of spectacle. This documentary still looks infinitely less cheesy then the Metropolis 2000 DVD for example.
:lolThank YOU for posting here and sharing your experiences and perspective on all this. We as fans are obviously eating it up. Since the "official" band forums shut down a few years ago and I set up this place, we've sort of felt like the bastard step-children, so we love it when band members and those close to them drop in and share information.lol I remember that. What a goat scrotum he was.
...Well, except for David Prater. We pretty much did the Internet equivalent of tarring and feathering him and running him out of here on a rail. But that's another story. :lol
Nihil-Morari
Wait a second, you drummed on Seven Deadly Pieces?
I've been wanting to check that out since I first saw that trailer you posted, which must've been around 2006.
Great music, great drumming. And how awesome that you've been lurking here and now even posting here!
Thanks for all the info!
Wildoer
Yes, it's me playing drums, tambourine with my foot and wood blocks on the "Seven Deadly Pieces". That DVD is amazing and it features a lot of other cool stuff from Lalle Larsson and is a must have. If you guys haven't checked out Lalle Larsson YOU HAVE TO!!! He's a fantastic pianist/keyboard player and composer. He's in the studio as we speak recording a new "Agents of Mercy" album together with Roine Stolt (Transatlantic). Lalle also plays with Karmakanic and his own band Lalle Larsson's Weaveworld. Check that last band, features my good friend Walle Wahlgren on drums and he's amazing too! Lalle and me also did Electrocution-250 "Electric cartoon music from hell" together with american guitar wizard Todd Duane. Check this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4cCyvkZPOs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqTASEWuVIg
Ha ha, yeah I've been lurking in the shadows here. :) By the way, love your avatar!
Hey, Peter! Thanks for posting here.Nice! :rollin
Talking about growls... can you please sing the following?
DAY AFTER DAY AND NIGHT AFTER NIGHT
REPLAYING THE EVENTS
DID THEY EVER SEE THE RED LIGHT?
OVER AND OVER
SCENE BY SCENE
LIKE A RECURRING NIGHTMARE
HUNTING MY DREAMS
How can you prepare
For what happened next?
No son should ever have to see his father such a mess
It's a miracle he lived
It's a blessing no one died
By the grace of God above
Everyone survived! ROOOAARRRRR!
Thanks!
Ugh... What has happened to my favorite band? Cheesy reality show tactics? Horrible trailers? What happened to the DT that used to be about music and only the music?
I guess I'd be ok with all of this if they just changed their name and laid "Dream Theater" to rest. It seems that DT is more about theater and less about music. It is a sad state of affairs, an all time low, and I for one am close to writing all of this bullshit off.
They have always been big fans of spectacle. This documentary still looks infinitely less cheesy then the Metropolis 2000 DVD for example.
With this they get to generate a fair of amount of hype/publicity while giving us a peak at auditions. Are you saying you don't like the idea of people like seeing people like Marco Minneman or Thomas Lang jamming with Dream Theater? It may be a tad OTT, but I definitely rather have a good show out of it rather then them just say "the drummer is XXX" and move on.
Plus this way we get to see how whoever they chose melds with the band instead of guessing how they'll play based on on past projects so it should kill a fair amount of whining (though this is probably very wishful thinking on my pat :P).
I really doubt that the actual documentary is going to be "reality TV" style. All that stuff, I think, was added in the editing of the promo. They auditioned all 7 guys over a 3-day period. I don't see how that would lend itself to a reality-style elimination set-upI think that nobody here even was thinking that DT will make a reality show from choosing new drummer, with eliminations and etc.... It's just, you know, it's hard to focus on the music when you have camera's and fotographer's around you, especially in the audition time...
I really doubt that the actual documentary is going to be "reality TV" style. All that stuff, I think, was added in the editing of the promo. They auditioned all 7 guys over a 3-day period. I don't see how that would lend itself to a reality-style elimination set-up
Man, just watched this video of Virgil Donati:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4aEz_nr8p8
Seeing that video, he probably listened to the practice songs on the flight to NYC and then just pulled it off :lol
rumborak
Man, just watched this video of Virgil Donati:That video confirmed both that Virgil is an excellent drummer and that I still hate the color of his kit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4aEz_nr8p8
Seeing that video, he probably listened to the practice songs on the flight to NYC and then just pulled it off :lol
rumborak
Ugh... What has happened to my favorite band? Cheesy reality show tactics? Horrible trailers? What happened to the DT that used to be about music and only the music?
I guess I'd be ok with all of this if they just changed their name and laid "Dream Theater" to rest. It seems that DT is more about theater and less about music. It is a sad state of affairs, an all time low, and I for one am close to writing all of this bullshit off.
They have always been big fans of spectacle. This documentary still looks infinitely less cheesy then the Metropolis 2000 DVD for example.
With this they get to generate a fair of amount of hype/publicity while giving us a peak at auditions. Are you saying you don't like the idea of people like seeing people like Marco Minneman or Thomas Lang jamming with Dream Theater? It may be a tad OTT, but I definitely rather have a good show out of it rather then them just say "the drummer is XXX" and move on.
Plus this way we get to see how whoever they chose melds with the band instead of guessing how they'll play based on on past projects so it should kill a fair amount of whining (though this is probably very wishful thinking on my pat :P).
I think it is the Apprentice style, reality TV vibe the trailer has, is what rubs me the wrong way.
I'd love for a straight up documentary about this major time of change in DT history. Metropolis 2000 was produced by a member of DT who was trying to convey a story line. A completely made up story line. Cheesy or not, is was made BY DT. I'd put my life on the line in betting DT outsourced this latest production, which in turn has a more mainstream vibe (extra cheese).
Like I said before... If the songs are solid that's all that will matter to me in the end. I'll eat my negative words. But I won't be embracing the cookie cutter, reality TV BS that the public eats up.
I think that as Peter W is posting here himself, one can actually see how much DTF cares for musicians and DT in general. People might bitch here at times but if someone comes here being so nice and informative, nobody would even want to drive him/her off.
^Good post, if a bit poorly worded. :)
Sorry James. I'm not as nice as you. :(
How fucking stupid are these people? (1) Get a life and do other things with your time, and (2) You think DT are taking this long just to fuck with everyone? No! There are probably very good reasons why it has taken a long time, which will all be answered by THE DOCUMENTARY THAT YOU ARE PISSED ABOUT.
Morons.
Doesn't entirely make sense... if they already "know" it's Mike Mangini, why would they be getting antsy for an announcement?How fucking stupid are these people? (1) Get a life and do other things with your time, and (2) You think DT are taking this long just to fuck with everyone? No! There are probably very good reasons why it has taken a long time, which will all be answered by THE DOCUMENTARY THAT YOU ARE PISSED ABOUT.
Morons.
Dude, what is wrong with you?
Look at it from the other side. I think it's fairly obvious that they didn't announce the drummer because they were waiting for the production of the documentary to finish so they could announce the drummer with the doc. But, the problem now is that after so much time, all drummers have been accounted for, and the announcement of Mangini as the drummer will be a total non-event. That's what people are reacting to.
rumborak
Yeah, TOX that was strange because I haven't seen anyone here (the closest being Loser1) calling DT "sell-outs". Maybe at Facebook and YouTube, yet again, what do you expect from a place like that (YouTube).
When I heard Dream Theater were going to have a huge audition, the first thing I thought was, "I hope they make it into a documentary!" I also wanted to see what kind of access they would give their fans, because you know if they were auditioning a new bassist, Portnoy would have had a camera there every second. I wanted to see if that kind of thing would continue.
Note the word continue. Dream Theater have always given fans crazy insight into their business, going over and above in the form of commentaries, documentaries and forum posts. The notion that Dream Theater are now about the "theater" and not the "dream" makes literally no sense at all. None. Nada. Zip.
Furthermore, what is so bad about making a trailer for the documentary? And even if it was the worst thing in the world, who says they made the trailer? Why couldn't Road Runner have put the trailer together? Or why couldn't the band's management have put the trailer together?
And what is with people being so impatient about the announcement of the new drummer? All I see everywhere is, "JUST ANNOUNCE IT ALREADY. STOP WITH ALL THIS REALITY TV BULLSHIT AND ANNOUNCE IT. DT ARE SELL-OUTS!"
How fucking stupid are these people? (1) Get a life and do other things with your time, and (2) You think DT are taking this long just to fuck with everyone? No! There are probably very good reasons why it has taken a long time, which will all be answered by THE DOCUMENTARY THAT YOU ARE PISSED ABOUT.
Morons.
CrimsonSunrise, the unfinished projects MP wanted to finish sounds like the AA suite being played live, and maybe TBoT live.
WILDOER WAS HERE AND I MISSED IT. DAMN IT. :\
I'll be back soon, busy right now. Just checked in from my phone. You guys are great!!!
Cheers,
Peter
I for one am interested in the documentary, but the actual announcement ... eh.
rumborak
CrimsonSunrise, the unfinished projects MP wanted to finish sounds like the AA suite being played live, and maybe TBoT live.
I agree with those two. I was thinking though, some kind of actual production project. Something he had invested time and money into, with the blessing of the band, that he wanted to complete to possibly get a financial return on.
CrimsonSunrise, the unfinished projects MP wanted to finish sounds like the AA suite being played live, and maybe TBoT live.
A bit off-topic, but I just paused the video just before James says "welcome you to the family" and Myung is actually smiling! It seems like that was a very very special moment for the DT guys.You could say it was "especially special."
The more I think about it , the more into this doc thing I am. I don't know of any other lineup change that's ever been handled quite like this. It seem these guys have come up with a very creative idea. I think this may be a fun thing. I only wish a version would come out that's easy to watch. I don't want to have to upgrade my internet speed for this.
CrimsonSunrise, the unfinished projects MP wanted to finish sounds like the AA suite being played live, and maybe TBoT live.
Unless I am completely mistaken about human psychology, those two projects will never happen. First of all, getting 4 guys who will learn the AA suite from beginning to end would be a major financial commitment for MP, and he would never be able to get the money back; where would he show it?
Second of all, Mike Portnoy playing a full hour of Dream Theater songs would be weeeiird. It would make him look as if he's clinging to the past.
TBOT has a bit of a better chance, but once again, I think MP will try to steer away from DT-related stuff for a while.
rumborak
CrimsonSunrise, the unfinished projects MP wanted to finish sounds like the AA suite being played live, and maybe TBoT live.
Second of all, Mike Portnoy playing a full hour of Dream Theater songs would be weeeiird. It would make him look as if he's clinging to the past.
rumborak
Sadly, I just found out Herman Rarebell was not one of the 7 drummers who auditioned. :sad:
Sadly, I just found out Herman Rarebell was not one of the 7 drummers who auditioned. :sad:
Part 1 released,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L609JsPFmmI
Part 1 released,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L609JsPFmmI
Too much background music, but pretty nifty aside from that!Holy shit yes he does.
I am LOVING Mike Mangini. He's stellar on ANTR. Only at the 15 minute mark so far, though.
HOLY SHIT MYUNG'S VOICE WAS AUDIBLE OH MAN OH GOD
GNAAAAAH!!!! THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!
Ok, if it is Mangini, I'm sold on the guy. Great guy, great drumming.
rumborak
Absolutely brilliant.
The next one looks fantastic as well. Bet the one James is floored by is Minnemann. :biggrin:
GNAAAAAH!!!! THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!
Ok, if it is Mangini, I'm sold on the guy. Great guy, great drumming.
rumborak
(https://i52.tinypic.com/8z36kp.jpg)GNAAAAAH!!!! THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!
Ok, if it is Mangini, I'm sold on the guy. Great guy, great drumming.
rumborak
I really like want to screen cap this rare moment of full-blown, rumby enthusiasm.
I also tried keeping track of the songs played as clips throughout, but lost track. Seemed like a pretty good variety.
I also tried keeping track of the songs played as clips throughout, but lost track. Seemed like a pretty good variety.
"Wait for Sleep"
"Learning to Live"
"You Not Me"
"Beyond This Life" (the acoustic outro at the very end)
"About to Crash (reprise)"
"The Best of Times"
"The Count of Tuscany"
Those are the ones I remember.
Wow. I am incredibly impressed by Mangini's drumming and his presence/personality. Well, one down, 6 to go. I could be wrong, but judging from some of the stuff earlier in the video, it seems like Roddy is second up and then maybe Priester (speaking of whom, even though the clips of his drumming are pretty short, I have to say I have to give him more credit than I previously did).I agree with Bosk! This was really great and entertaining to see! Real props to the band for doing this, its really great and I just loved it. The only part when I cringed slightly was the "next episode" part.
So, the audition songs are: ANTR, TDOE, and...a ballad that I did not pick up on. Did anyone else catch it, or was that still kind of kept under wraps?
I also tried keeping track of the songs played as clips throughout, but lost track. Seemed like a pretty good variety.
Lastly, as far as the whole "reality show" thing is concerned: Obviously, since it is a series of auditions competing for one spot, it definitely has a reality TV vibe to it. But as far as the traditional elimination reality tv show thing, I really only get that sporadically, mainly toward the end when they are doing the previews for the next one. Otherwise, it is pretty standard documentary-type format, which is great.
I had a big WTF moment when JR said that MP wanted the band to take a FIVE year hiatus. I thought he wanted just a year or so.And this too!
Icarus, it'll be worth the wait. Trust me.:lol
Icarus, it'll be worth the wait. Trust me.:lol
I'm watching it without sound, I'll have to wait until I get home, too. Trying to read MM's lips it seems he says "gotta learn the Camel spit" at some point.
Damn, that was simply amazing. Loved Mike's drumming, and he's one of the most energetic musicians I've ever seen. It would make a great contrast to the rest of the other band on stage.Per the video prductioin company epsiodes 2 & 3 will be released this week.
Also, I'm already excited for the next episode. My fears about this documentary haven't really come true so far, and I hope that the won't in the next episode either.
I also tried keeping track of the songs played as clips throughout, but lost track. Seemed like a pretty good variety.
"Wait for Sleep"
"Learning to Live"
"You Not Me"
"Beyond This Life" (the acoustic outro at the very end)
"About to Crash (reprise)"
"The Best of Times"
"The Count of Tuscany"
Those are the ones I remember.
Forsaken, Constant Motion, and A Rite Of Passage were in there was well. I caught all the ones you mentioned except YNM.
On a side note, i was checking the comments on FB. It is very sad to me that the vas majority of them is like:
We all hate this game you guys love playing. Just release the name and besides whatever drummer you choose who isnt Portnoy is gonna make you lose a lot of fans. Everyone makes mistakes so just forgive him and bring him back. If you don't I hope whatever project he comes up with is better than whatever drummer you choose.
I think this band is getting a little too commercial... We don't need a reality show to tell us who is going to be playing with you. They're taking our love for the band and curiosity into a means of spreading the band's popularity. Time to un-like--
Childish is the word. Quit the bullshit and tell the name. Mike can never be replaced anyway... :-(
Only people that can replace Portnoy is Buddy Rich, and he's dead...and Neil Peart, he's with Rush.... So get Portnoy back...deal with the BS and move the FUCK ON !
I mean, i do respect all these people's opinion, but I just cannot figure out why in the world this could be the prevailing attitude among the whole DT fan community (and, instead, not among the long-time or diehard fans).
I absolutely loved this first part of the documentary. And, TBH, i didn't get all this reality-show vibe many pepole are bitching about. Believe me, reality shows in my country are much, much more annoying than any documentary could ever get, escpecially this one.
Anyway, I'm pretty happy with Mangini's playing, but more than anything, I was hooked by his antics. Man, what a positive and genuine attitude! I would be okay with him, but right now I'm looking forward to seeing the other drummers auditioning before endorsing anyone
On a side note, i was checking the comments on FB. It is very sad to me that the vas majority of them is like:
We all hate this game you guys love playing. Just release the name and besides whatever drummer you choose who isnt Portnoy is gonna make you lose a lot of fans. Everyone makes mistakes so just forgive him and bring him back. If you don't I hope whatever project he comes up with is better than whatever drummer you choose.
I think this band is getting a little too commercial... We don't need a reality show to tell us who is going to be playing with you. They're taking our love for the band and curiosity into a means of spreading the band's popularity. Time to un-like--
Childish is the word. Quit the bullshit and tell the name. Mike can never be replaced anyway... :-(
Only people that can replace Portnoy is Buddy Rich, and he's dead...and Neil Peart, he's with Rush.... So get Portnoy back...deal with the BS and move the FUCK ON !
I mean, i do respect all these people's opinion, but I just cannot figure out why in the world this could be the prevailing attitude among the whole DT fan community (and, instead, not among the long-time or diehard fans).
Those people aren't real fans of DT. They're fans of MP, and want him back.Well said.
I loved the way he played the intro snare to TDOEN with one hand while spinning the other stick :lol :metal
This week is going to be incredible.
You're right, i probably didn't phrase that well my thought.
Like has been said, those people are the vocal minority.
And considering how disrespectful some of those comments are, I ain't gonna respect them, just because they, like everyone else, have the right to express their opinions.
Paraphrasing from my post at MP's house...
I'm floored by the mutual respect for all involved and by the quality of that video. Just that one lone episode
has changed my mind about some things and I want to take back anything I've said that had a negative
tone regarding the amount of time this took, and about my support of DT moving forward. I will support them
100% both in a live setting and via album purchases.
I want to personally thank the band for allowing us this view into the DT machine and the most significant
event in the bands history.
I also can't stress enough how awesome it is to hear all of the DT members. It totally changes the perception of the band.
You're right, i probably didn't phrase that well my thought.
Like has been said, those people are the vocal minority.
And considering how disrespectful some of those comments are, I ain't gonna respect them, just because they, like everyone else, have the right to express their opinions.
I respect their right to express an opinion, a right that should never be questioned, but i definitely don't respect the way they do, and, of course, don't like WHAT they express at all.
As for the vocal minority thing, yeah, you are probably right, but I can't help to find all this negative reaction childish and unexplicable
Haha I wonder what they played during Mike's Day after day section is ANTR :neverusethis:
Haha I wonder what they played during Mike's Day after day section is ANTR :neverusethis:
Haha I wonder what they played during Mike's Day after day section is ANTR :neverusethis:
........ what is the 3rd test? JP said to Mike "you passed all three tests! The song test, the jam test, <cut>".
rumborak
........ what is the 3rd test? JP said to Mike "you passed all three tests! The song test, the jam test, <cut>".
rumborak
Yeah, that'd make a lot of sense......... what is the 3rd test? JP said to Mike "you passed all three tests! The song test, the jam test, <cut>".
rumborak
I think the jam test was 2 and the new material test was 3?
Haha I wonder what they played during Mike's Day after day section is ANTR :neverusethis:
maybe that's why marco wore the cookie monster t-shirt
Would be epic if Peter Wildoer actually did the Day after day, with REAL GROWLS. :metal :metal :metal :metal :metalHaha I wonder what they played during Mike's Day after day section is ANTR :neverusethis:
maybe that's why marco wore the cookie monster t-shirt
.... you could actually be right about that, which would be pretty funny.
Part 1 made me happy in pants.:lol
I thought test 1 was ANTR, test 2 was TDOE, and test 3 was the jam session?No. The three parts are:
I thought test 1 was ANTR, test 2 was TDOE, and test 3 was the jam session?No. The three parts are:
1. Play 3 DT songs (ANTR, TDOE, and whatever the ballad is)
2. Free-form jam
3. New material
I'd assumed the third part was the chemistry test
The goggles! They do nothing!!
I have never really been that big of a fan of Mangini, but if he gets the gig now i would be happy. :tup
Anybody want to fill me in on exactly where everything stands right now?Mangini pwns. Not much more.
Wait, so there's already been an installment on this thing? I thought it was a single documentary that was coming out later.
Anybody want to fill me in on exactly where everything stands right now?
Wait, so there's already been an installment on this thing? I thought it was a single documentary that was coming out later.
Anybody want to fill me in on exactly where everything stands right now?
How many sections are there, and what's the schedule? For that matter, where are they to be found?Wait, so there's already been an installment on this thing? I thought it was a single documentary that was coming out later.
Anybody want to fill me in on exactly where everything stands right now?
They released a promo video of the Doc and they released the first 20 minute section today.
Look at the "what we know" thread. Scroll down to today's update in the first post.:tup
I love how Mangini no-sayers love him now.
I mean, what's not to love of that performance?
I love how Mangini no-sayers love him now.
I mean, what's not to love of that performance?
You know, I have to say, if the others are done similarly, this is also great P/R for the 6 who didn't get chosen. I'm sure that by the end of this, all 7 are going to come across as the great drummers they are and as great guys to have in a band. So far, the doc is very well done and is painting everybody involved in a very positive light.
Wow that was so cool. Mangini seemed to have a really nice time playing with the guys. I'm curious to know if JLB was talking about Marco when he said "He was the most incredible. By far."
Only two more episodes left :caffeine:
And BTW, Mangini was not so amazing :|
This time next week we may know who the drummer is. I asked RR via twitter what the schedule is...Quoterrusa
There are three total and we should get through all of them this week.
Mangini came off as TOO showy. Nothing wrong with being showy, but he looked like he was trying too hard
Just posting what I said in another topic. Might shed some lightQuoteThis time next week we may know who the drummer is. I asked RR via twitter what the schedule is...Quoterrusa
There are three total and we should get through all of them this week.
OMFG, in the end of video James is talking about Marco! Poland keeps fingers crossed for Minnemann, go, go go!
And BTW, Mangini was not so amazing :|
Poland keeps fingers crossed for Minnemann, go, go go!
You're right.Wow that was so cool. Mangini seemed to have a really nice time playing with the guys. I'm curious to know if JLB was talking about Marco when he said "He was the most incredible. By far."
Only two more episodes left :caffeine:
No, I think he says "That was the most incredible. By far." Not "he." James could have been referring to anything with that comment--the audition as a whole, one particular part of it, etc.
:rollinOMFG, in the end of video James is talking about Marco! Poland keeps fingers crossed for Minnemann, go, go go!
And BTW, Mangini was not so amazing :|
only a dream theater fan would complain about Mike Mangini's abilities. Seriously.
Mangini came off as TOO showy. Nothing wrong with being showy, but he looked like he was trying too hard
OMFG, in the end of video James is talking about Marco! Poland keeps fingers crossed for Minnemann, go, go go!
And BTW, Mangini was not so amazing :|
Mangini came off as TOO showy. Nothing wrong with being showy, but he looked like he was trying too hard
...and Poland also keeps fings crossed for Priester ;D
Poland is also praying for you, so you can reconsider your opinion. :biggrin:
...and Poland also keeps fings crossed for Priester ;D
It's not Priester.
Mangini came off as TOO showy. Nothing wrong with being showy, but he looked like he was trying too hard
Disagree. It was exciting!
...and Poland also keeps fings crossed for Priester ;D
It's not Priester.
Keep silence, please.
(https://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDEiaa8vqRFEFPhr6NU9wMfyj_FqXwGPKBCGmMcrNZMpgjyvnF6Q&t=1)
Yeah, he has to let them know 'who he is' and what he'd bring to a live performance and so on. Sure it seems a little over the top in a secluded studio...but on stage it'd come across pretty well. This video was/is amazing and really 'makes up for' (so to speak) the lack of drummer communication from DT. I guess all the tweets from JR and the gang about being patient and it'll be great were true.Mangini came off as TOO showy. Nothing wrong with being showy, but he looked like he was trying too hard
True, he was rather showy. However I feel that in this situation you've gotta put it all out there. He's gotta make himself memorable not only for drumming, but for being a good showman. Just my opinion, though.
Mangini is a madman, and always has been. What you saw in the audition wasn't some schtick he put on, that's how he always is live. I saw him way back when with Extreme, and he put up one hell of a show.
rumborak
I know I know... :0 but I would want it to be...he perfect, when I heard Angra's Aurora Consurgens I have question in my mind "who the is their drummer??!!" love that kind of drumming, it would be very interesting to hear him on a new DT album, but as I said... I'm pretty sure that he IS NOT the person ;)...and Poland also keeps fings crossed for Priester ;D
It's not Priester.
I know I know... :0 but I would want it to be...he perfect, when I heard Angra's Aurora Consurgens I have question in my mind "who the is their drummer??!!" love that kind of drumming, it would be very interesting to hear him on a new DT album, but as I said... I'm pretty sure that he IS NOT the person ;)...and Poland also keeps fings crossed for Priester ;D
It's not Priester.
What I find interesting is that if the documentary is indeed three episodes long, almost one entire episode was devoted to Mangini.Well, actually half of the episode I'd say. The first half was the Mike Portnoy recapitulation.
What I find interesting is that if the documentary is indeed three episodes long, almost one entire episode was devoted to Mangini.Well, actually half of the episode I'd say. The first half was the Mike Portnoy recapitulation.
That is interesting, actually. Maybe the final episode will be longer or something? Or Maybe this was really just constructed as a showcase for Mangini.What I find interesting is that if the documentary is indeed three episodes long, almost one entire episode was devoted to Mangini.Well, actually half of the episode I'd say. The first half was the Mike Portnoy recapitulation.
well yah, minus the intro type deal.
that leaves 2 episodes for the other six. idk, just thought i'd throw that out there.
Same here. I know this really is a horrible reason to not want somebody in, but... Donati looks really old in these videos.
What I find interesting is that if the documentary is indeed three episodes long, almost one entire episode was devoted to Mangini.Well, actually half of the episode I'd say. The first half was the Mike Portnoy recapitulation.
well yah, minus the intro type deal.
that leaves 2 episodes for the other six. idk, just thought i'd throw that out there.
This. It's completely possible that whoever auditioned first was going to end up getting a bit more screentime, since the first audition is a good time to give the viewer an idea of the overall process.What I find interesting is that if the documentary is indeed three episodes long, almost one entire episode was devoted to Mangini.Well, actually half of the episode I'd say. The first half was the Mike Portnoy recapitulation.
well yah, minus the intro type deal.
that leaves 2 episodes for the other six. idk, just thought i'd throw that out there.
Also, take into account Mangini's audition was the first one. I think that itself acknowledges a bit more of time.
Less than half in fact. But yeah it could be that the other episodes are longer, or that the editing for some drummers makes their slot shorter than the others. Plus, for the first one it will naturally be longer because it shows us what the process was as well as the drummer, whereas we pretty much know the process now. :PWhat I find interesting is that if the documentary is indeed three episodes long, almost one entire episode was devoted to Mangini.Well, actually half of the episode I'd say. The first half was the Mike Portnoy recapitulation.
well, it's official. at the end of the documentary, the new drummer will be revealed.Yeah just got the same one ;) true ;)
check your email. RR confirmed it.
straight from the RR email -
[DTthespiritcontinues]
Hi Everyone,
We wanted to take a minute to thank all of you who signed up and watched the trailer on Thursday. This is an incredibly exciting time for all of us and we know that the anticipation has been, well, uncomfortable to say the least!
Over the next few days we hope that you will enjoy this very special documentary we've put together which literally invites everyone into the rehearsal room during the audition process and ultimately reveals who we chose as the new drummer in Dream Theater.
This is unlike anything we've ever done before and we felt that this would be a unique way of sharing our experience with all of you as a sincere thank you to everyone who has listened to, believed in and supported DT throughout the years.
Beyond all the drama and presentation, it always comes back to the thing that unites us all: our common passion to create, perform and listen to great music! To that end we are in the studio working hard on our next album and can't wait to deliver it to the world and to see all of our friends on tour.
Until then, please go to Roadrunner's YouTube channel to begin watching the documentary now!
Much love,
Dream Theater
The only thing that could make this MORE exciting would be if...oh, I dunno...maybe Peter would post more instead of just being a tease and lurking in the thread. :eyebrows:Yeah, it's not like purple names are very common around here :lol
The only thing that could make this MORE exciting would be if...oh, I dunno...maybe Peter would post more instead of just being a tease and lurking in the thread. :eyebrows:
And can we talk about the new riff idea they threw at Mangini? How sick did that new riff sound?
I had a big WTF moment when JR said that MP wanted the band to take a FIVE year hiatus. I thought he wanted just a year or so.Same. I was about to tell myself something like "Aaaarrghhh....swallow the rage..."
That first episode was so incredible. Words can't describe my love for this freaking band right now.This.
Yes let's talk about new riff. More metal than BC&SL.
That first episode was so incredible. Words can't describe my love for this freaking band right now.
And Mangini was amazing. I've reached a point where I'd be disappointed regardless of which drummer they choose, I want all the seven drummers to join the band. They're all so awesome, personally and musically.
I swear the band don't know what the word "literally" means.
"We have literally been a family"
"Over the next few days we hope that you will enjoy this very special documentary we've put together which literally invites everyone into the rehearsal room during the audition process"
:facepalm:
I swear the band don't know what the word "literally" means.
"We have literally been a family"
"Over the next few days we hope that you will enjoy this very special documentary we've put together which literally invites everyone into the rehearsal room during the audition process"
:facepalm:
I swear the band don't know what the word "literally" means.
"We have literally been a family"
"Over the next few days we hope that you will enjoy this very special documentary we've put together which literally invites everyone into the rehearsal room during the audition process"
:facepalm:
I literally have no idea what you are talking about.
...figuratively speaking, of course.
This documentary is cool :tup
I really want Mike Mangini.
I swear the band don't know what the word "literally" means.Are you by chance a How I Met Your Mother fan? :lol
"We have literally been a family"
"Over the next few days we hope that you will enjoy this very special documentary we've put together which literally invites everyone into the rehearsal room during the audition process"
:facepalm:
I swear the band don't know what the word "literally" means.
"We have literally been a family"
"Over the next few days we hope that you will enjoy this very special documentary we've put together which literally invites everyone into the rehearsal room during the audition process"
:facepalm:
For some reason I want the new drummer to be the British guy. Don't know anything about any of the 7 drummers, but I like the idea of a British guy in Dream Theater.
The new album title!
The Pocket and the Power
;)
The new album title!
The Pocket and the Power
;)
:lol or Literally :D
I really hope footage of the full auditions is made available eventually, it seems a waste to have footage of these amazing drummers jamming and only seeing short clips.
Uh...that clip is from A Nightmare To Remember.
Can anyone confirm if the music bit at around 16:20 is new material? Because it sounded awesome? Truly melodic prog metal!
Would be epic if Peter Wildoer actually did the Day after day, with REAL GROWLS. :metal :metal :metal :metal :metalHaha I wonder what they played during Mike's Day after day section is ANTR :neverusethis:
maybe that's why marco wore the cookie monster t-shirt
.... you could actually be right about that, which would be pretty funny.
Anyway, I couldn't be more stoked about this now... this documentary is epic
I like how at about 16:40, Joran is throwing all these time signatures at him, and you can tell he's like, "Crap, I really want to write this down, but I don't want to look stupid," and then when Jordan says "You wanna right this down?" you can visibly see the relief on his face. :lol
God. I was happy with Mangini before but this just doubled my enthusiasm.This. An incredible first part, I am so incredibly excited about this documentary. :metal
Not only did Myung speak, but he smiled too! :hefdaddyThat was incredible. Go Myung! :hefdaddy
Great cliffhanger ending again
JLB to JP:
- That was the most incredible...By far! ::)
Awesome, awesome clip. I have thought since MP leaving the biggest thing the band would miss is the live setting. Mangini I think can fill those shoes. Man the guy is crazy! Love his energy. I would be happy if he get's the job.
I wonder why the other auditions are in a different studio. Maybe these 3 days of auditions were far apart scheduling wise. Seems strange to set everything up and then move it the next day.
Anyhow, can't wait for the rest of the doc!
I just assumed they couldn't use the same room for more than a day or else the amount of awesome coming from behind the drum kit would destroy it. They just don't build 'em to withstand so much awesome for prolonged periods of time!Probably ;)
Does anyone else get the vibe that Mangini genuinely wants to be in DT?
Awesome, awesome clip. I have thought since MP leaving the biggest thing the band would miss is the live setting. Mangini I think can fill those shoes. Man the guy is crazy! Love his energy. I would be happy if he get's the job.
I wonder why the other auditions are in a different studio. Maybe these 3 days of auditions were far apart scheduling wise. Seems strange to set everything up and then move it the next day.
Anyhow, can't wait for the rest of the doc!
I think it's safe to comment on this. Auditions were moved the second day to another room but at the same place, S.I.R. Studios. Don't know the reason but I think it was because the new room was bigger.
:lol
Another one I noticed from MP speaking in 2007 - "We've been together more than half our lives, and we've shared an entire lifetime together"
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No, I think he sang. A lot of the emotion of a song is conveyed by the singer, and you wouldn't really get the full feel of the song and how a drummer fit in if you didn't have your singer.
Anyone think there will be a release of the entire audition process? Hopefully they recorded the sessions, being in a studio and all.
Peter, how was James' singing on The Dance Of Eternity?
Peter, how was James' singing on The Dance Of Eternity?
I would agree. In fact, I would expect that not all 7 auditions went as gloriously as MM's audition. So, by choosing the footage they show they can still show every person in the best light possible.Agreed, by picking and choosing what gets shown, they can make sure everyone looks good.
rumborak
so some approved, and some didnt?
weird
Are we sure that is an actual quote from Marco? Maybe that isn't his real facebook page? He does not have that page listed on his official website.
and we have plans for a trio project with John P and Jordan together
By "soap opera," he may simply be referring to all the collective drama about Mike's departure, the drummer search, and the holdup on disclosing who was picked. I don't think he is necessarily referring to the documentary.Possibly, although the "soap opera DT episodes" seems pretty obviously about the documentary.
(and I wouldn't be surprised if he were also just throwing stuff out there to throw us off the trail; as I've said before, I think I know who it is. But as far as the evidence that is out there, there is only one drummer I can say with absolute certainty is definitely "out")
Also, didn't Peter Wildoer say that he wasn't auditioning then info came out that he WAS auditioning anyway? Could be the same thing here... I'm still hoping for Marco lolAre we sure that is an actual quote from Marco? Maybe that isn't his real facebook page? He does not have that page listed on his official website.
+1.
I looked for it on his official website, but I couldn't find anything. I'll keep looking for some form of verification though, if there is one, just give me a minute
By "soap opera," he may simply be referring to all the collective drama about Mike's departure, the drummer search, and the holdup on disclosing who was picked. I don't think he is necessarily referring to the documentary.
(and I wouldn't be surprised if he were also just throwing stuff out there to throw us off the trail; as I've said before, I think I know who it is. But as far as the evidence that is out there, there is only one drummer I can say with absolute certainty is definitely "out")
Also, didn't Peter Wildoer say that he wasn't auditioning then info came out that he WAS auditioning anyway? Could be the same thing here... I'm still hoping for Marco lolAre we sure that is an actual quote from Marco? Maybe that isn't his real facebook page? He does not have that page listed on his official website.
+1.
I looked for it on his official website, but I couldn't find anything. I'll keep looking for some form of verification though, if there is one, just give me a minute
By "soap opera," he may simply be referring to all the collective drama about Mike's departure, the drummer search, and the holdup on disclosing who was picked. I don't think he is necessarily referring to the documentary.Possibly, although the "soap opera DT episodes" seems pretty obviously about the documentary.
(and I wouldn't be surprised if he were also just throwing stuff out there to throw us off the trail; as I've said before, I think I know who it is. But as far as the evidence that is out there, there is only one drummer I can say with absolute certainty is definitely "out")
Have to say, if it IS him then those comments are a bit of a dickish move. For that reason, I hope it's a fake account, because he seems like a nice guy.
Hey, I just noticed when viewing the footage of NYC...did anyone notice that the sky was clear and frigid? The air was thick and stll?
Depends. If he didn't give permission as he says, then I'd say he has every right to be upset.Well, they legally wouldn't be able to release it if he hadn't given permission, so I think we can discount that. It's possible that it was included with lots of other stuff about the filming that he signed (he will have signed something and he will have obviously know that it was being filmed as he'd have seen the cameras) but I don't see what else he would have expected.
Depends. If he didn't give permission as he says, then I'd say he has every right to be upset.Well, they legally wouldn't be able to release it if he hadn't given permission, so I think we can discount that. It's possible that it was included with lots of other stuff about the filming that he signed (he will have signed something and he will have obviously know that it was being filmed as he'd have seen the cameras) but I don't see what else he would have expected.
But aside from that, writing them off as "silly soap opera" episodes while they're still in the process of being shown would be a lame thing to do, regardless of whether he was justified or not, and I think any decent person would have at least waited before saying something that bitchy. And that is why I am sceptical that it's a real account. :P
Depends. If he didn't give permission as he says, then I'd say he has every right to be upset.Well, they legally wouldn't be able to release it if he hadn't given permission, so I think we can discount that. It's possible that it was included with lots of other stuff about the filming that he signed (he will have signed something and he will have obviously know that it was being filmed as he'd have seen the cameras) but I don't see what else he would have expected.
But aside from that, writing them off as "silly soap opera" episodes while they're still in the process of being shown would be a lame thing to do, regardless of whether he was justified or not, and I think any decent person would have at least waited before saying something that bitchy. And that is why I am sceptical that it's a real account. :P
I think the whole documentary thing is awesome! I am saddened by the fact that my wish for Bobby J to be the new drummer will not come to pass. As for technical ability, I think any of those who auditioned would have the chops to pull this off. Chemistry is the one factor we really cannot speculate on, but as far as creativity (subjective I know), I think Preister, or Roddy have the edge there.
wildoer is doing some hardcore lurking. seen him on the active list all day. awesome
wildoer is doing some hardcore lurking. seen him on the active list all day. awesome
James post posted on FB that he finished 3 tracks last week.
hehe, and by accident i posted it in the wrong topic LOL. :rollinJames post posted on FB that he finished 3 tracks last week.
Damn, beat me to it. :lol
Wait, help me out there. Will the band announce the drummer in the 3rd episode? And will the 3rd episode be here by Friday?
Also, about James' comment in the end of the episode - even if he actually talks about a drummer being "the best so far", I don't worry about it. Obviously all these drummers can play really great, but like you all know, they said they chose the drummer both by skills and chemistry.
By the way, remember how James talked about Mangini being his drummer in some of his solo albums? Imagine how it'd be look in Peter's audition: "Oh yeah, he played drums in one of my solo albums too. These loyal folks are all my trained pirates arrrrrrr"
(Sorry, I suck at pirate language XP)
Hey, I just noticed when viewing the footage of NYC...did anyone notice that the sky was clear and frigid? The air was thick and stll?
You know, I'm not one to soon forget but I guess I always will remember that these were the best of times.
Why not? As homo-erotic as we are here on DTF, I don't see why they can't give each other a manly kiss on the cheek.
........ what is the 3rd test? JP said to Mike "you passed all three tests! The song test, the jam test, <cut>".
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OK, I just noticed that Mangini and Jordan gave each other a cheek kiss at 19:45. I can't see it too well from the camera angle, but i heard it. Is it just me? Maybe I'm mishearing.
Anyway, no cheek kisses in DT!
Is it just me?
Why not? As homo-erotic as we are here on DTF, I don't see why they can't give each other a manly kiss on the cheek.
Oh my god, it's the reality TV editing, and it's terrible.
And he played on James'...stuff.
OK, kill me, but I don't think I have seen Minnemann in this video or the trailer. :lol
OK, kill me, but I don't think I have seen Minnemann in this video or the trailer. :lol
OK, kill me, but I don't think I have seen Minnemann in this video or the trailer. :lol
This is really cool! I liked the first episode a lot and have really kind of warmed up to Mangini now.
However, the biggest negative I have for this is the use of TBOT. It just doesn't feel right.
This is really cool! I liked the first episode a lot and have really kind of warmed up to Mangini now.
However, the biggest negative I have for this is the use of TBOT. It just doesn't feel right.
TBOT?
Transsexual roBOT:lol
I thought that Mangini seemed kinda nervous when he first walked in the room, and everyone's like "hey Mike" and he's just kinda standing there, shuffling around. But he totally blew everyone away, apparently, and while I initially hoped it was Thomas Lang, I think Mangini fits really well.
However, based on various things I've kinda picked up on, like Wildoer saying he didn't audition when he did, and the Blabbermouth stuff, the mysterious "best audition yet" comment, and now the Minneman comment, that there are definitely a couple curveballs out there, a couple red herrings, possibly intentional. I wonder if Mangini really is the drummer like everyone thinks. If it was so obvious.....I don't think they'd continue to hype it up if we already knew the outcome.
Also, it's kinda funny the DT guys are like, "Wow, we get to play with these amazing world class drummers, this is a dream come true!" and the auditionees are like "Whoa, we have to audition for Dream Theater? I'm soooo nervous!" It's pretty funny, in a way. Everyone is way too humble for their own good.
OK, kill me, but I don't think I have seen Minnemann in this video or the trailer. :lol
OK, kill me, but I don't think I have seen Minnemann in this video or the trailer. :lol
What's funny about this...?
Anyways, It's great to finally get some footage. Mangini is a beast, love that one handed opening to DoE.
- I really hate the reality style editing. By far the biggest thing that drags it down. When the doc breathes for a moment and people actually talk it's great, but most of the time it cuts between establishing shots and comments about things we already get. Blech. The worst moment was when they started playing Nightmare. I felt the tension in the air, and then they cut in narration so it was sufficiently noisy. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( But enough complaining.I agree. It's funny. Now that I no longer watch any broadcast television, I've lost any tolerance I might have once had for annoying shit. I hate commercials more than I ever did, and the bogus melodrama that has to be in every single program now makes me want to hurl. There were 10 things in that 20 minutes that made me cringe. I just want to see what happened. I don't want to see soap opera theatrics.
OK, kill me, but I don't think I have seen Minnemann in this video or the trailer. :lol
What's funny about this...?
Anyways, It's great to finally get some footage. Mangini is a beast, love that one handed opening to DoE.
I wonder if that's intentional? Minneman, judging by his FB post, seems to be kinda sour about the whole thing. I wonder if he's not the one who was the 'source' behind that sick drummer magazine article?
- I really hate the reality style editing. By far the biggest thing that drags it down. When the doc breathes for a moment and people actually talk it's great, but most of the time it cuts between establishing shots and comments about things we already get. Blech. The worst moment was when they started playing Nightmare. I felt the tension in the air, and then they cut in narration so it was sufficiently noisy. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( But enough complaining.
1st. :chill- I really hate the reality style editing. By far the biggest thing that drags it down. When the doc breathes for a moment and people actually talk it's great, but most of the time it cuts between establishing shots and comments about things we already get. Blech. The worst moment was when they started playing Nightmare. I felt the tension in the air, and then they cut in narration so it was sufficiently noisy. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( But enough complaining.
Really, your attacking the editing. How exactly would you have liked it to be edited? Maybe you didn't like the font they used either?
Even though people say its Mangini, and things make sense. They could be throwing people off, and Priester could end up the drummer.Yes, yes, yes, NO
- I really hate the reality style editing. By far the biggest thing that drags it down. When the doc breathes for a moment and people actually talk it's great, but most of the time it cuts between establishing shots and comments about things we already get. Blech. The worst moment was when they started playing Nightmare. I felt the tension in the air, and then they cut in narration so it was sufficiently noisy. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( But enough complaining.I agree. It's funny. Now that I no longer watch any broadcast television, I've lost any tolerance I might have once had for annoying shit. I hate commercials more than I ever did, and the bogus melodrama that has to be in every single program now makes me want to hurl. There were 10 things in that 20 minutes that made me cringe. I just want to see what happened. I don't want to see soap opera theatrics.
1st. :chill- I really hate the reality style editing. By far the biggest thing that drags it down. When the doc breathes for a moment and people actually talk it's great, but most of the time it cuts between establishing shots and comments about things we already get. Blech. The worst moment was when they started playing Nightmare. I felt the tension in the air, and then they cut in narration so it was sufficiently noisy. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( But enough complaining.
Really, your attacking the editing. How exactly would you have liked it to be edited? Maybe you didn't like the font they used either?
2nd. I kinda see where he's coming from. The first part that focus on MP's departure I was worried that this was just going to be very melodramatic... it wasn't. They just wanted the public the understand all the context so they could move on rightly afterwards to the auditions.
When MP said in that 200X interview that in the DT life it sometimes can get "stale"... you can see that JP's face does not agree with him.
Even though people say its Mangini, and things make sense. They could be throwing people off, and Priester could end up the drummer.Yes, yes, yes, NO
Really, your attacking the editing. How exactly would you have liked it to be edited? Maybe you didn't like the font they used either?
I remember that interview was from the chaos in motion DVD and after MP said it can be "stale", he also mentioned a positive side after.
In the documentary, they made it look like MP was bored of everything but that interview was way back in 2007.
Really, your attacking the editing. How exactly would you have liked it to be edited? Maybe you didn't like the font they used either?
Since you asked a question, I'll answer it.
Many of the individual editing choices end up reducing the audience's ability to understand the facts of the situations and feel the emotions of the narrative. Because we cut between locations so rapidly, we need to see an establishing shot of each location to understand where we are. Because of this, we lose valuable time that could be spent providing information and telling the story.
A major aspect of reality TV is telling the audience about what's happening rather than showing it. In the context of reality TV, this is a good thing. You're trying to take complex events and create a narrative that gives them meaning in a larger context. If we just see the Jersey Shore cast partying in a club, the camerawork isn't sophisticated to let us see the little pieces of body language that really tell us what's going on. We need the confessional cuts to keep us up to date.
But the narrative of this documentary is incredibly simple, and because the situations aren't so chaotic they can be filmed in a way we see their subtleties. Again, the biggest thing I hated was when ANTR started. Just as someone seeing this for the first time, I got mild chills. Instead of playing Mangini talking to tell us what we already know, cut to the other band members and their anticipation to make us feel it more.
The biggest problem though is aesthetic. Dream Theater is a relatively sophisticated band for a relatively sophisticated audience. Why did whoever was is charge of this creatively feel the need to dumb down the events into a reality TV format? I feel like the image of the band is cheapened a little bit by the narrative construction. When Petrucci is talking about Portnoy leaving, we see three cuts to Rudess of him making dramatic faces. In the actuality of the moment, he was reliving something emotional through Petrucci's story. But simply to us watching it, the way it's cut it implies "LOOK AT JORDAN FEELING EMOTION. NOW LOOK AT IT AGAIN. IT'S DRAMA!" Drama doesn't come from us being told it's dramatic, it comes from being dramatic.
If you like it, that's fine. There's no objective reason for you to like or dislike it. But the editing objectively influences the tone and subtext of the narrative quite a bit, and I don't like the result. The nuances are few and far between. And it feels like a lower standard of product than what I'd expect from the band. Obviously since the documentary brings a lot to the table, it's free, and I appreciate its mere existence I'm going to keep watching.I remember that interview was from the chaos in motion DVD and after MP said it can be "stale", he also mentioned a positive side after.
In the documentary, they made it look like MP was bored of everything but that interview was way back in 2007.
Yeah, exactly. MP left for a lot of reasons, and DT becoming stale wasn't even the biggest. When you reduce the difficulty of comprehensibility to the lowest common denominator, the harder to understand (though not necessarily more complicated) facts and truths aren't expressed, and we ultimately aren't actually told anything important. In this case, it's actually misleading.
Yeah, exactly. MP left for a lot of reasons, and DT becoming stale wasn't even the biggest.
Yeah, exactly. MP left for a lot of reasons, and DT becoming stale wasn't even the biggest.
Then what was the biggest reason?
I don't understand why some people are still comparing it to reality TV, especially since we've seen the first section of it, and it's nothing like reality TV. See, there's this thing called a documentary...
I mean, yes, some editing choices could have been better, but it just feels like some people had already decided they weren't going to like it after seeing the trailer, and are going out of their way to find things to dislike about it.
I'm assuming you don't watch any reality TV.
""Honestly, it had nothing to do with the music itself or the musical chemistry within the band. I was always very inspired when writing and recording together and am as proud of our last few albums as anything else in the catalog. It really was more of the behind-the-scenes, personal relationships within the band. Yes, on the surface it may seem that life was great and full steam ahead for Dream Theater... things like playing Download and Wembley, the recent [Iron] Maiden tour in the U.S., Top 10 entry on Billboard were all nice feathers in the cap... but beneath the surface, there was a lot of friction and burn-out. I mean, we have one bandmember that would literally not even sit in the same room with the rest of us for years now and we'd only see him on stage or at meet-and-greets...and then other members just doing a lot of complaining about the day-to-day stuff... To me, these are obvious signs of wear and tear and a need for a break from each other in order to recharge the batteries and reignite the flame. On the opposite hand, I would go out on tour with Transatlantic or Avenged Sevenfold and all of the band members are hanging out, eating meals together and enjoying each other's company."
I'm assuming you don't watch any reality TV.I've seen enough to say that this doc really doesn't feel like reality TV. It feels like a documentary.
I'm assuming you don't watch any reality TV.
I do (not a lot, but enough), and I can say that this didn't strike me as being like reality TV that much.
QuoteI'm assuming you don't watch any reality TV.I've seen enough to say that this doc really doesn't feel like reality TV. It feels like a documentary.
@Reapsta: you come off as a quite pretenious
@Reapsta: you come off as a quite pretenious
I refuse to be insulted by someone who can't be bothered to use proper spelling and punctuation.
P.S. Except for the forever-stoic John Myung. :P
Well, reap, you CAN be pretty pretenious at times. Just sayin'.
Well, reap, you CAN be pretty pretenious at times. Just sayin'.
Don't you dare belittle my opinions.
Well, reap, you CAN be pretty pretenious at times. Just sayin'.
Don't you dare belittle my opinions.
They're definitely a different beast entirely. Movie docs have a much bigger budget, and less time constraint. I have no idea why you would compare this to those.
I'm assuming you don't watch any reality TV.
I do (not a lot, but enough), and I can say that this didn't strike me as being like reality TV that much.
To be fair, once Mangini gets into the room the editing becomes much more stable. At that point, while I don't like it, I understand why the decisions were made primarily due to time constraints more than anything else.QuoteI'm assuming you don't watch any reality TV.I've seen enough to say that this doc really doesn't feel like reality TV. It feels like a documentary.
Maybe TV documentaries are different from movie documentaries. Movie documentaries don't seem to have the same degree of hyper-charged pace and oversimplification.
I think it's you, Wildoer. :)
I'd agree with this if it weren't for the fact that, if memory serves, many of the establishing shots feature VOs from the contributors. They establish the new location without interrupting the narrative. And, in truth, the location is a big part of the narrative. I really liked, for instance - and I don't think these shots had VOs - seeing Mangini hailing the taxis, and Roddy (was it Roddy?) at the airport. They're only brief snifters of footage offered, but they help show us the process from the auditionee's perspective, which I find quite exciting and refreshing. A little footage going a long way.Really, your attacking the editing. How exactly would you have liked it to be edited? Maybe you didn't like the font they used either?
Since you asked a question, I'll answer it.
Many of the individual editing choices end up reducing the audience's ability to understand the facts of the situations and feel the emotions of the narrative. Because we cut between locations so rapidly, we need to see an establishing shot of each location to understand where we are. Because of this, we lose valuable time that could be spent providing information and telling the story.
A major aspect of reality TV is telling the audience about what's happening rather than showing it. In the context of reality TV, this is a good thing. You're trying to take complex events and create a narrative that gives them meaning in a larger context. If we just see the Jersey Shore cast partying in a club, the camerawork isn't sophisticated to let us see the little pieces of body language that really tell us what's going on. We need the confessional cuts to keep us up to date.I think it's more a matter of trying to squeeze seven drummers into sixty minutes. We already know the band's POV, and if there were new elements then they've got plenty of time to cut them in across the length and breadth of the documentary. Mangini footage, meanwhile, has an eight-minute window. And that has to intercut with footage of the auditions, naturally. There's a section after his audition where they all talk with him, which kind of emphasises the point that they need to know him as a person, get along with him as a human being. The viewer, in theory, already knows Dream Theater. More crucial that they show Mangini footage.
But the narrative of this documentary is incredibly simple, and because the situations aren't so chaotic they can be filmed in a way we see their subtleties. Again, the biggest thing I hated was when ANTR started. Just as someone seeing this for the first time, I got mild chills. Instead of playing Mangini talking to tell us what we already know, cut to the other band members and their anticipation to make us feel it more.
The biggest problem though is aesthetic. Dream Theater is a relatively sophisticated band for a relatively sophisticated audience. Why did whoever was is charge of this creatively feel the need to dumb down the events into a reality TV format? I feel like the image of the band is cheapened a little bit by the narrative construction. When Petrucci is talking about Portnoy leaving, we see three cuts to Rudess of him making dramatic faces. In the actuality of the moment, he was reliving something emotional through Petrucci's story. But simply to us watching it, the way it's cut it implies "LOOK AT JORDAN FEELING EMOTION. NOW LOOK AT IT AGAIN. IT'S DRAMA!" Drama doesn't come from us being told it's dramatic, it comes from being dramatic.I think, more probably, the reason it's cut like that is conciseness.
If you like it, that's fine. There's no objective reason for you to like or dislike it. But the editing objectively influences the tone and subtext of the narrative quite a bit, and I don't like the result. The nuances are few and far between. And it feels like a lower standard of product than what I'd expect from the band. Obviously since the documentary brings a lot to the table, it's free, and I appreciate its mere existence I'm going to keep watching.Aye! Absolutely likewise. Well, swivel a few words here and there but I'm not telling anyone to like or dislike it.
JP tells MM that he passed all THREE tests, the song test, the jam test... What was the third test?personality? :justjen
Just a thought. Whoever the chosen drummer is, he should be practising DT materials for the coming gig and new album. By looking at the calendar of the seven candidates, there's some hint who's DT next drummer :)
https://www.virgildonati.com/tourdates.php
https://www.thomaslangdrumcamp.com/www.thomaslangdrumcamp.com/watch_videos_of_past_recent_camps.html
https://www.aquilespriester.com/ingt/agenda.html
https://www.mikemangini.com/news.htm
https://marcominnemann.com/dates_currentschedule/
BTW Wildoer isn't checking this thread anymore.
My guees is that whomever is last is the pick, although maybe that is too obvious.I believe they're showing them chronologically, by the order they were auditioned. That would be a fluke if the last one to audition was the one chosen.
Just a thought. Whoever the chosen drummer is, he should be practising DT materials for the coming gig and new album. By looking at the calendar of the seven candidates, there's some hint who's DT next drummer :)
https://www.virgildonati.com/tourdates.php
https://www.thomaslangdrumcamp.com/www.thomaslangdrumcamp.com/watch_videos_of_past_recent_camps.html
https://www.aquilespriester.com/ingt/agenda.html
https://www.mikemangini.com/news.htm
https://marcominnemann.com/dates_currentschedule/
I couldn't see any hint there. Care to share this hint with us? :)
Me neither ... we need to be enlightend...
When I got home from work yesterday, I told my wife not to bother me as I had a video to watch, and let her know the rest of the week it will be the same.
P.S. Except for the forever-stoic John Myung. :P
At least he spoke :P
(...) i think let's just wait till friday for the official announcement.(...)Hope those words will not come into dust ;)
I think it's you, Wildoer. :)
Well, it is possible to move one of those gigs (especially the donati solo one) after it is made public that Virgil is the one.
I can see that happen.
P.S. Except for the forever-stoic John Myung. :P
At least he spoke :P
Look at the parts where he speaks... does anyone else get the feeling that he might have been reading off of cue cards? Or, that the producers may have said "geez, we've got 20 hours of footage and myung hasn't said anything, let's kinda give him a hint and sort of force him to give us soemthing"? haha hopefully not.
I think it's you, Wildoer. :)
it could be. what if he's watching this thread (knowing that he got the gig through outdoing mangini & the 5 others) to see us flip out (in a good way) when he outperforms everybody else? If I knew I got the gig, that would be really fun to do (on the other hand, it would be fun in any case).
Uh, Wildoer started posted because it's now safe to for him to do so, now that the doc is out and it's known that he auditioned.
It may be him, it may not be.
i'm reading through Thomas Lang's tweets and found this
https://www.meinldrumfestival.com/
Meinl cymbals and percussion is proud to announce that the company's second international Meinl Drum Festival will take place at the Teatro Metropolitan in Mexico City on July 13, 2011
Norbert Saemann continues, "I'm currently working on putting the line up together. Meinl artists who have been invited include Ozzy Osbourne's Tommy Clufetos, Prince's drummer Chris Coleman, Derek Roddy, Thomas Lang and a few others. We will also invite some of our national Mexican endorsers of course."
in my list, Donati, Roddy and Lang are out.
Uh, Wildoer started posted because it's now safe to for him to do so, now that the doc is out and it's known that he auditioned.
It may be him, it may not be.
Of course that's the way it is. But why does no one but him post here, in a board where he obviously wouldn't post otherwise? It's not a proof of his success of course, but this creates some suspicions...
Well, just wishful thinking on my part ;)
After all, this ISN'T a reality show, even though it's (sort of) presented like one. The big difference is that the American Idol judges, when they reject someone, are pretty much 99.9% shutting the door on that person's career (with the other 0.1% being William Hung :facepalm:). But DT, when they reject someone here, are rejecting people who are already established in the industry--people with enough stature that you have to be careful what you say about them.
I'd like to hear, in the final two sections, about not only what made the top guy get selected, but what made the other 6 NOT get selected. It'll be interesting to see how much of that we'll get, and how politically correct it stays, because DT don't really have the leverage to be openly criticizing drumming titans.
Minnemann has worked with JR on the Mind Meld stuff.(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Uc2suQSWMX4/TBZJVg2soKI/AAAAAAAACU8/-BG9D-LAcSQ/s1600/captain_obvious.jpg)
I was replying to Prescence of Enemies post where he said none of the other drummers have worked with a DT member. So it wasn't obvious to him I guess.Minnemann has worked with JR on the Mind Meld stuff.(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Uc2suQSWMX4/TBZJVg2soKI/AAAAAAAACU8/-BG9D-LAcSQ/s1600/captain_obvious.jpg)
Oh, haha, I'm sorry. I just read the post above you, not the one above that. Scuzi!
I was replying to Prescence of Enemies post where he said none of the other drummers have worked with a DT member. So it wasn't obvious to him I guess.Minnemann has worked with JR on the Mind Meld stuff.(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Uc2suQSWMX4/TBZJVg2soKI/AAAAAAAACU8/-BG9D-LAcSQ/s1600/captain_obvious.jpg)
So if that picture was aimed at me, there is yoiur reaon i posted it.
...unless the new drummer have perfect pitch
Gotcha. I wasn't rtying to be a dick ;DI was replying to Prescence of Enemies post where he said none of the other drummers have worked with a DT member. So it wasn't obvious to him I guess.Minnemann has worked with JR on the Mind Meld stuff.(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Uc2suQSWMX4/TBZJVg2soKI/AAAAAAAACU8/-BG9D-LAcSQ/s1600/captain_obvious.jpg)
So if that picture was aimed at me, there is yoiur reaon i posted it.
Yeah, I'm aware of MMM. Don't really consider it a full-fledged "project", though, since it was just a one-off thing. But, point taken.
...unless the new drummer have perfect pitch
??? What?
After all, this ISN'T a reality show, even though it's (sort of) presented like one. The big difference is that the American Idol judges, when they reject someone, are pretty much 99.9% shutting the door on that person's career (with the other 0.1% being William Hung :facepalm:). But DT, when they reject someone here, are rejecting people who are already established in the industry--people with enough stature that you have to be careful what you say about them.
I'd like to hear, in the final two sections, about not only what made the top guy get selected, but what made the other 6 NOT get selected. It'll be interesting to see how much of that we'll get, and how politically correct it stays, because DT don't really have the leverage to be openly criticizing drumming titans.
I imagine we'll see a lot of politically correct "he's great, but it's obvious it's just not a good fit" and "there's no question he's awesome, but he doesn't mesh well with what the three of us are doing".
It'll be politically correct, but it'll also be true. Nobody in these auditions is going to be rejected because they can't play, and I would expect they'll have 3-4 guys who they believe would be good fits.
When the news becomes official, I hope that one of the very first questions answered by the new drummer is: "How much input did you have in the writing of the drum parts?" Hopefully they will join this forum as Mr. Wildoer did so that we have a chance to ask these questions.
I REALLY hope that Mangini is the one.
When the news becomes official, I hope that one of the very first questions answered by the new drummer is: "How much input did you have in the writing of the drum parts?" Hopefully they will join this forum as Mr. Wildoer did so that we have a chance to ask these questions.
I REALLY hope that Mangini is the one.
A DTF exclusive Q&A would be sweet.
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metalWhen the news becomes official, I hope that one of the very first questions answered by the new drummer is: "How much input did you have in the writing of the drum parts?" Hopefully they will join this forum as Mr. Wildoer did so that we have a chance to ask these questions.
I REALLY hope that Mangini is the one.
A DTF exclusive Q&A would be sweet.
When the news becomes official, I hope that one of the very first questions answered by the new drummer is: "How much input did you have in the writing of the drum parts?" Hopefully they will join this forum as Mr. Wildoer did so that we have a chance to ask these questions.
When the news becomes official, I hope that one of the very first questions answered by the new drummer is: "How much input did you have in the writing of the drum parts?" Hopefully they will join this forum as Mr. Wildoer did so that we have a chance to ask these questions.
The chosen candidate is going to be extremely overwhelmed after the announcement. I'm sure DT/RR will put together an appropriate Q&A with them. For all we know, Over the Edge might have also filmed a sequence with the whole band prior to going into the studio.
JLB is halfway done (I'd say) recording the new songs.
JLB is halfway done (I'd say) recording the new songs.
This just made me think--if JLB updates us on his song-by-song progress, we should know how many songs are on the album before we get an actual tracklist. Right?
Heck, we already know there are at least 4, so we know they're not going to push the epic lengths here any further than BCSL did.
JLB is halfway done (I'd say) recording the new songs.
This just made me think--if JLB updates us on his song-by-song progress, we should know how many songs are on the album before we get an actual tracklist. Right?
Heck, we already know there are at least 4, so we know they're not going to push the epic lengths here any further than BCSL did.
I can't find any holes in your logic, unless JLB starts being deliberately misleading and tweets: "Finished 9 songs today! Raaawwwkkk!"
Heck, we already know there are at least 4, so we know they're not going to push the epic lengths here any further than BCSL did.
:rollin :metal :rollinHeck, we already know there are at least 4, so we know they're not going to push the epic lengths here any further than BCSL did.
Hey, you never know. It could be a 4-disk album. ;)
I believe he's the only one who comments here because he's...well...the only one who wants to. Some of these drummers might not like direct interactions with fans or any kind of forums at all, I guess Peter just likes it. He's an awesome guy and one of my two favorites (in a tie) out of these seven drummers, but unfortunately I believe he has the same odds as all the other drummers, despite the fact he posts here.Uh, Wildoer started posted because it's now safe to for him to do so, now that the doc is out and it's known that he auditioned.
It may be him, it may not be.
Of course that's the way it is. But why does no one but him post here, in a board where he obviously wouldn't post otherwise? It's not a proof of his success of course, but this creates some suspicions...
Well, just wishful thinking on my part ;)
Heck, we already know there are at least 4, so we know they're not going to push the epic lengths here any further than BCSL did.
Hey, you never know. It could be a 4-disk album. ;)
I believe he's the only one who comments here because he's...well...the only one who wants to. Some of these drummers might not like direct interactions with fans or any kind of forums at all, I guess Peter just likes it. He's an awesome guy and one of my two favorites (in a tie) out of these seven drummers, but unfortunately I believe he has the same odds as all the other drummers, despite the fact he posts here.Uh, Wildoer started posted because it's now safe to for him to do so, now that the doc is out and it's known that he auditioned.
It may be him, it may not be.
Of course that's the way it is. But why does no one but him post here, in a board where he obviously wouldn't post otherwise? It's not a proof of his success of course, but this creates some suspicions...
Well, just wishful thinking on my part ;)
I really hope he'll be chosen though. Either him or Mangini. But, well, I guess we'll know it by Friday.
From watching the preview of the next episode carefully (end of episode 1), I noticed an overwhelming response to Minnemanns performance.
Petrucci: "that was f*ing great"
James Labrie (to Petrucci): "that was the most incredible... by far" (I'ts hard to see which drummer this statement was meant for. Pausing right before it zooms into James (same shot/scene, one of the first few frames) Minnemann can be seen very clearly in his epic Cookie Monster shirt (lol@myepicnerdiness)).
Minnemann is such a boss. If it is him, my life is complete haha.
Well, Wildoer says he's been a fan since PMU came out. The other guys either aren't fans or are "casual" fans.
This was already determined yesterday.ahh k yeah I only discovered this video like 45 minutes ago so please forgive me.
I find it ironic that both of these statements were made after Mike Portnoy left the picture:Nuggets yet again! :D
"Dream Theater is more than just one person"
"Avenged Sevenfold is more than just one person""
I find it ironic that both of these statements were made after Mike Portnoy left the picture:
"Dream Theater is more than just one person"
"Avenged Sevenfold is more than just one person""
That's not really relevant to the documentary discussion, so let's keep that on track.Yeah, I actually posted that in the wrong thread, sorry about that.
I actually agree, even if some of them are fans of DT (even bigger than Wildoer for that matter), it doesn't mean they have to post here. That's absolutely not the reason. I bet some of them never even heard of DTF.Well, Wildoer says he's been a fan since PMU came out. The other guys either aren't fans or are "casual" fans.
donati was in a DT tribute band in australian years ago, so i wouldn't call him "casual" by any means. and nothing about mangini's tone says he's not a fan...or even remotely casual...
From watching the preview of the next episode carefully (end of episode 1), I noticed an overwhelming response to Minnemanns performance.
Petrucci: "that was f*ing great"
James Labrie (to Petrucci): "that was the most incredible... by far" (I'ts hard to see which drummer this statement was meant for. Pausing right before it zooms into James (same shot/scene, one of the first few frames) Minnemann can be seen very clearly in his epic Cookie Monster shirt (lol@myepicnerdiness)).
Minnemann is such a boss. If it is him, my life is complete haha.
This was already determined yesterday.
and of course this could be editing...What James says to John is definitely not edited. I think they tried to edit out Minnemann, but there is still like 1 clear frame of him in the shot.
and of course this could be editing...What James says to John is definitely not edited. I think they tried to edit out Minnemann, but there is still like 1 clear frame of him in the shot.
In that exact scene, right where it transitions from Petrucci saying "that was fantastic" to when James approaches John, try and pause it so you can see who is behind the kit...and of course this could be editing...What James says to John is definitely not edited. I think they tried to edit out Minnemann, but there is still like 1 clear frame of him in the shot.
You can see him in the part right before, however you do not see him in the part where JLB walks over to JP.
In wathcing Mike M he did seem to miss one of the fills slightly, but all in all seems like it could be a good fit. Watching him made me realize how good Mike P is and how easy and casual he made the drumming look. Mike M was all out of breath, and really working his ass off although I'm sure a lot of that was just adrenaline.
In that exact scene, right where it transitions from Petrucci saying "that was fantastic" to when James approaches John, try and pause it so you can see who is behind the kit...and of course this could be editing...What James says to John is definitely not edited. I think they tried to edit out Minnemann, but there is still like 1 clear frame of him in the shot.
You can see him in the part right before, however you do not see him in the part where JLB walks over to JP.
its not easy to pause it exactly, but if you do it just right you can clearly see its Minnemann
The Minneman Facebook comment upsets me.
In that exact scene, right where it transitions from Petrucci saying "that was fantastic" to when James approaches John, try and pause it so you can see who is behind the kit...and of course this could be editing...What James says to John is definitely not edited. I think they tried to edit out Minnemann, but there is still like 1 clear frame of him in the shot.
You can see him in the part right before, however you do not see him in the part where JLB walks over to JP.
its not easy to pause it exactly, but if you do it just right you can clearly see its Minnemann
I do not know about clearly, but if you do it, you can kind of see blue, maybe the cookie monster shirt. So alright, possibly.yeah sorry when I said "clearly" I mean we can catch enough to ascertain that it is him (shirt, short hair etc.)
The Minneman Facebook comment upsets me.What did he say?
... made me realize how good Mike P is and how easy and casual he made the drumming look. Mike M was all out of breath, and really working his ass off although I'm sure a lot of that was just adrenaline.That being said, and I am not trying to rip on MP with this statment, but Mike M appears (from what we were shown) to have played every note of those songs. MP in a live performance (I've only seen DT 5X) IMO plays about 97% of the songs to complete accuracy as they were recorded. Not ripping on him for that and what he does works well...but Mike M more than likely did not ad lib or veer from the recorded song and probably played every note.
I think page 37 this thread someone posted it:Except that it was taken down, and we're not even sure whether that is his actual facebook page or just a fan posing as him. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marco...nn/60833133772
hi, no I'm not DTs drummer:-). But I did work with Jordan on the "musical mind meld", and we have plans for a trio project with John P and Jordan together. And I'm sorry I ended up being unwillingly dragged into these imo silly soap opera DT episodes, haha. I really didn't want that and wasn't asked for approval. Love to all of ya:-)
I think page 37 this thread someone posted it:Except that it was taken down, and we're not even sure whether that is his actual facebook page or just a fan posing as him. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marco...nn/60833133772
hi, no I'm not DTs drummer:-). But I did work with Jordan on the "musical mind meld", and we have plans for a trio project with John P and Jordan together. And I'm sorry I ended up being unwillingly dragged into these imo silly soap opera DT episodes, haha. I really didn't want that and wasn't asked for approval. Love to all of ya:-)
Ricky, any progress with that?
Is there any other source for the video than youtube?
Youtube won't let me see it ("Not available in my country")... :censored
Charlie Dominici > Dream Theater
All of the drummers are great and no disrespect to the others but knowing the guys in DT like I do, I believe Mike Mangini is the best choice! Plus my psychic ability tells me it's him! \m/
Doesn't work for me for some reason. Thanks for the try though. :sad:Is there any other source for the video than youtube?
Youtube won't let me see it ("Not available in my country")... :censored
Try downloading it through KeepVid using this URL (https://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DL609JsPFmmI).
I think page 37 this thread someone posted it:Except that it was taken down, and we're not even sure whether that is his actual facebook page or just a fan posing as him. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marco...nn/60833133772
hi, no I'm not DTs drummer:-). But I did work with Jordan on the "musical mind meld", and we have plans for a trio project with John P and Jordan together. And I'm sorry I ended up being unwillingly dragged into these imo silly soap opera DT episodes, haha. I really didn't want that and wasn't asked for approval. Love to all of ya:-)
Ricky, any progress with that?
I find it ironic that both of these statements were made after Mike Portnoy left the picture:Nuggets yet again! :D
"Dream Theater is more than just one person"
"Avenged Sevenfold is more than just one person""
Yeah I am very much of the impression that it's not an official page at all.I think page 37 this thread someone posted it:Except that it was taken down, and we're not even sure whether that is his actual facebook page or just a fan posing as him. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marco...nn/60833133772
hi, no I'm not DTs drummer:-). But I did work with Jordan on the "musical mind meld", and we have plans for a trio project with John P and Jordan together. And I'm sorry I ended up being unwillingly dragged into these imo silly soap opera DT episodes, haha. I really didn't want that and wasn't asked for approval. Love to all of ya:-)
Ricky, any progress with that?
None at all. I emailed two different contacts straight from his official website last night on two different gmail accounts, and even sent one out to the "general info" email just in case that gets checked quicker.
I find it very disconcerting that nowhere on his official site (https://marcominnemann.com/), which I scoured for quite a while last night, is there any link to an official "facebook."
They do, however, post one to his official myspace (https://www.myspace.com/marcominnemann) and nowhere is there any mention of an official facebook there either, despite the fact that links to different sites related to Marco are thrown out left and right. I'll let you know when if I get word, but so far I am somewhat skeptical.
I'm at the moment looking for answers on a few different sources, so ill let you know.
I wonder if Portnoy is watching it, and what he thinks of it.
Yeah I am very much of the impression that it's not an official page at all.I think page 37 this thread someone posted it:Except that it was taken down, and we're not even sure whether that is his actual facebook page or just a fan posing as him. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marco...nn/60833133772
hi, no I'm not DTs drummer:-). But I did work with Jordan on the "musical mind meld", and we have plans for a trio project with John P and Jordan together. And I'm sorry I ended up being unwillingly dragged into these imo silly soap opera DT episodes, haha. I really didn't want that and wasn't asked for approval. Love to all of ya:-)
Ricky, any progress with that?
None at all. I emailed two different contacts straight from his official website last night on two different gmail accounts, and even sent one out to the "general info" email just in case that gets checked quicker.
I find it very disconcerting that nowhere on his official site (https://marcominnemann.com/), which I scoured for quite a while last night, is there any link to an official "facebook."
They do, however, post one to his official myspace (https://www.myspace.com/marcominnemann) and nowhere is there any mention of an official facebook there either, despite the fact that links to different sites related to Marco are thrown out left and right. I'll let you know when if I get word, but so far I am somewhat skeptical.
I'm at the moment looking for answers on a few different sources, so ill let you know.
Wildoer's lurking guys :biggrin:
I do have a serious question for him, though. Is this footage new to you audiotionees too? Had you guys seen it before, OR is a lot of this footage new to you all too?
Now I have to follow that long and intelligent post by saying that I don't think Peter is lurking in this thread all the time. His name has been there every hour of night and day since he first posted. He mentioned he was posting from his phone, I think he's just left the browser with this thread open running in the background so it is easier for him to navigate to it again.
I might be wrong though. Hi Peter! :3
BTW Wildoer isn't checking this thread anymore.
I wonder if Dominici's psychic ability told him in advance that the band was gonna kick him to the curb two decades ago...
I wonder if Dominici's psychic ability told him in advance that the band was gonna kick him to the curb two decades ago...
oh shi-
i have one question.
did Mangini really take the cab to the hotel?
or was it just scenario?
cause, we had a cameraman there. at least they should have a car to take Mangini to the hotel.
if Mr.Wildoer kind enough and have time to answer this.
Doesn't work for me for some reason. Thanks for the try though. :sad:Is there any other source for the video than youtube?
Youtube won't let me see it ("Not available in my country")... :censored
Try downloading it through KeepVid using this URL (https://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DL609JsPFmmI).
Doesn't work for me for some reason. Thanks for the try though. :sad:Is there any other source for the video than youtube?
Youtube won't let me see it ("Not available in my country")... :censored
Try downloading it through KeepVid using this URL (https://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DL609JsPFmmI).
Here you can download the video here....it is in FLV format (so you will need VLC or another similar player) and is a mobile version (ie small), but it works. Just click on the link and save the file
The Link (https://www.iamtheeviltwin.com/public/DTSpiritpt1.flv)
Sorry for my mass answers and not collecting them in one post, hope I don't break any rules! :omg:Yes how dare you, DON'T MAKE ME BAN YOU PETER!
I know Mike took the train from Boston to NY and then most likely a cab to the hotel. I know that the camera team met Mike when he arrived. My wife and I also took a cab from the airport to the hotel. Since we arrived two days prior to the first audition day the film crew could not meet us. We stayed for almost a week to have some vacation to, not every day we're in NYC! :)That makes a lot of sense, I guess it's somewhat further to travel for you than some (or all) of the others!
Maybe a fun fact is that I saw when Mike got out of the cab at S.I.R. Studios where the auditions were held since I was there lurking and finding out where the studio were at. I was to intimidated to walk up to him. :lol
BTW Wildoer isn't checking this thread anymore.
Yes I am. ;) Lurking, lurking, lurking... :biggrin:
By the way Nihil have you seen me perform Lalle Larsson's tune "Experiment" a few years ago at a drum clinic:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZZ42Uu9aI
Thought you might like it?
Cheers
What I noticed last night watching the first episdoe again is that Peter doesn't have much of a Swedish accent when he speaks English. Not knowing what many of the drummers looked like (besides Priester), I thought he was Derek Roddy at first :lol
BTW Wildoer isn't checking this thread anymore.
Yes I am. ;) Lurking, lurking, lurking... :biggrin:
By the way Nihil have you seen me perform Lalle Larsson's tune "Experiment" a few years ago at a drum clinic:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZZ42Uu9aI
Thought you might like it?
Cheers
Thanks mate, much appreciated! Quality is indeed not the best, but at this point I'm happy that I am able to watch it at all. :hefdaddyDoesn't work for me for some reason. Thanks for the try though. :sad:Is there any other source for the video than youtube?
Youtube won't let me see it ("Not available in my country")... :censored
Try downloading it through KeepVid using this URL (https://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DL609JsPFmmI).
Here you can download the video here....it is in FLV format (so you will need VLC or another similar player) and is a mobile version (ie small), but it works. Just click on the link and save the file
The Link (https://www.iamtheeviltwin.com/public/DTSpiritpt1.flv)
If this is OK with the mods I have the 720p version I can upload for those who cant view it :)720p would be absolutely amazing. Please mods, say yes. :)
I wonder if Portnoy is watching it, and what he thinks of it.
I wonder if Portnoy is watching it, and what he thinks of it.
I don't see how he couldn't be even a little curious as to what the guys are doing without him. I'm guessing he at least watched the trailer. If he is watching, he probably feels more sad than anything else. Shit, I almost teared up at one point.
Hey, Peter. I've tried to avoid asking you anything that I think might possibly be off limits. I think this one might be okay, but feel free to ignore it if you think it might go too far: I was wondering, how long was the audition altogether? I know it must have been longer than the 8-minutes that was shown of Mr. Mangini's, but it's hard to tell from the edited film how long it actually took. I'm guessing something like:
-Arrive, say hellos, and set up the kit the way you like it: 15 min.
-Warm up and fine tune the kit: 15 min.
-Play DT tunes: 30 min. (which assumes there isn't a whole lot of talking, etc. in between songs--or is there?)
-Talk for a few minutes about the jam tunes/new riff exercise, and then jam: 20 min.
-Verbal "interview": 30 min.
That's roughly 2 hours worth, which feels like it should be about right. Can you share any details about how close that is to the actual? Again, if not, or if you want to wait until the full documentary is out, I can understand.
Sorry for my mass answers and not collecting them in one post, hope I don't break any rules! :omg:Yes how dare you, DON'T MAKE ME BAN YOU PETER!
If this is OK with the mods I have the 720p version I can upload for those who cant view it :)720p would be absolutely amazing. Please mods, say yes. :)
If this is OK with the mods I have the 720p version I can upload for those who cant view it :)720p would be absolutely amazing. Please mods, say yes. :)
That's fine with me. As long as it isn't being viewed through out site, it doesn't effect our bandwidth, so that's fine.
Because I like you so much, I've decided to let you stay. ;)Sorry for my mass answers and not collecting them in one post, hope I don't break any rules! :omg:Yes how dare you, DON'T MAKE ME BAN YOU PETER!
So I guess I'm out here now then? :omg:
Hey, Peter. I've tried to avoid asking you anything that I think might possibly be off limits. I think this one might be okay, but feel free to ignore it if you think it might go too far: I was wondering, how long was the audition altogether? I know it must have been longer than the 8-minutes that was shown of Mr. Mangini's, but it's hard to tell from the edited film how long it actually took. I'm guessing something like:
-Arrive, say hellos, and set up the kit the way you like it: 15 min.
-Warm up and fine tune the kit: 15 min.
-Play DT tunes: 30 min. (which assumes there isn't a whole lot of talking, etc. in between songs--or is there?)
-Talk for a few minutes about the jam tunes/new riff exercise, and then jam: 20 min.
-Verbal "interview": 30 min.
That's roughly 2 hours worth, which feels like it should be about right. Can you share any details about how close that is to the actual? Again, if not, or if you want to wait until the full documentary is out, I can understand.
Hey!
No worries asking whatever. I'll have to judge what I can answer and not I guess.
Between the start of every drummer audition there were four hours. That left enough time for the drummer to audition, talk and get interviewed. Also the DT guys had a talk after each drummer auditioned.
I was the last one auditioning so there were no one after me. This is roughly what happened at my audition:
Meet and great, 10 minutes
Drum setup, tuning etc. 30 minutes
Warmup, 10 minutes
Jam, 15 minutes (this was simply amazing!!! Here I was jamming with these guys)
Went through the three songs, 30 minutes
"Test", 15 minutes (but it felt like an hour, ha ha ha. No not really, was actually fun!)
Interview, small talk etc, almost an hour since there were no stress.
During this time I also hade some food from the buffé and then the pizza that according to JP was the best in NYC! :)
I actually think all in all we were there for a bit more than three hours. Because of Static Impulse James and I talked a bit about that too. Also the manager and his wife are amazing persons and my wife and I talked a lot to the too.
All in all the whole audition was fantastic to say the least! Once again I have to say that all people involved were very very nice!!!
Because I like you so much, I've decided to let you stay. ;)Sorry for my mass answers and not collecting them in one post, hope I don't break any rules! :omg:Yes how dare you, DON'T MAKE ME BAN YOU PETER!
So I guess I'm out here now then? :omg:
And I hope that we'll find out what that ominous "test" is very soon...I thought this just referred to the jam and playing around the new riff, although hopefully Peter can clarify.
Oh my, now I'm feeling all bashful! :blushBecause I like you so much, I've decided to let you stay. ;)Sorry for my mass answers and not collecting them in one post, hope I don't break any rules! :omg:Yes how dare you, DON'T MAKE ME BAN YOU PETER!
So I guess I'm out here now then? :omg:
:tup
:heart u too :biggrin:
Peter, big thanx for participating here with us... You have to know that is a big pleasure and honour for me...not only I suppose... ;) For such music maniac like me (including Darkane ;) ) it's really BIG thing, and I think impossible to forget... Thank you ;) :tup
Thanks again for the insight, Peter. It sounds like although DT were aware of the fact that the audition was something that needed to be taken seriously (and very adrenaline-inducing for the auditionee), they always tried to maintain a relaxed atmosphere, which is good imo.
And I hope that we'll find out what that ominous "test" is very soon...
And I hope that we'll find out what that ominous "test" is very soon...
Dream Theater - The Spirit Carries On - Episode 1 (720p)Wonderful, thanks a lot man. ;D
https://www.megaupload.com/?d=P7XVNNEI
Mirrors to come :)
:lol Brilliance.Darkane is some good stuff.
EDIT: So, despite loving the drums and vocals (including Peter's) on Static Impulse, I'd never bothered to check out Darkane, but now that I've realised what a great guy Mr Wildoer is, I've decided to check them out. Most of the albums are on Spotify, so a perfect way to give them a listen! :D
"Test"... I wonder what that is... :lolIt's to see how far the drummers can spit; that way Petrucci will know whether he can get rid of his spit-shield or not.
LOLPeter, big thanx for participating here with us... You have to know that is a big pleasure and honour for me...not only I suppose... ;) For such music maniac like me (including Darkane ;) ) it's really BIG thing, and I think impossible to forget... Thank you ;) :tup
Cool, thanks!!! :) As a huge music fan myself all this is just great! Also coming in as the underdog among those amazing drummers I feel more as a fan that was fortunate to audition due to lucky circumstances.Thanks again for the insight, Peter. It sounds like although DT were aware of the fact that the audition was something that needed to be taken seriously (and very adrenaline-inducing for the auditionee), they always tried to maintain a relaxed atmosphere, which is good imo.
And I hope that we'll find out what that ominous "test" is very soon...
Yeah, they for sure wanted a great atmophere.
Yeah, they for sure wanted a great atmosphere.
The "Test" was operated by some aliens as far as I can remember. Memories dizzy there.
Could also be the fact that the "Test" was the part where the guys threw some odd meter riffs at the drummer to get the vibe how it would be working with him writing in the studio. Yeah, I remember now, I remember how it started, I just remember doing what they told me, told me...
Could also be the fact that the "Test" was the part where the guys threw some odd meter riffs at the drummer to get the vibe how it would be working with him writing in the studio. Yeah, I remember now, I remember how it started, I just remember doing what they told me, told me...:metal
:lol Brilliance.
EDIT: So, despite loving the drums and vocals (including Peter's) on Static Impulse, I'd never bothered to check out Darkane, but now that I've realised what a great guy Mr Wildoer is, I've decided to check them out. Most of the albums are on Spotify, so a perfect way to give them a listen! :D
And I hope that we'll find out what that ominous "test" is very soon...
(nice Mindcrime reference there. :tup )
:lol Brilliance.
EDIT: So, despite loving the drums and vocals (including Peter's) on Static Impulse, I'd never bothered to check out Darkane, but now that I've realised what a great guy Mr Wildoer is, I've decided to check them out. Most of the albums are on Spotify, so a perfect way to give them a listen! :D
Chek out Peter in Electrocution 250. Some awesome stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4cCyvkZPOs&fmt=18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqTASEWuVIg&feature=related
:lol Brilliance.
EDIT: So, despite loving the drums and vocals (including Peter's) on Static Impulse, I'd never bothered to check out Darkane, but now that I've realised what a great guy Mr Wildoer is, I've decided to check them out. Most of the albums are on Spotify, so a perfect way to give them a listen! :D
You should, they are in my top 3 melodic death metal groups!
I remember when i found out that Peter was the drummer on Static Impulse, i was so excited and couldn't imagine how his crazy drumming would fit in a JLB album. It was better than i expected :metal :metal
@ Peter, That would be AWESOME on the Electruction 250. Love the original CD. The groove and feel is just cool.
Here's a cool part from the Darkane song "Organic canvas":
www.youtube.com/watch?v=40vnWTfNot4
:lol Brilliance.
EDIT: So, despite loving the drums and vocals (including Peter's) on Static Impulse, I'd never bothered to check out Darkane, but now that I've realised what a great guy Mr Wildoer is, I've decided to check them out. Most of the albums are on Spotify, so a perfect way to give them a listen! :D
You should, they are in my top 3 melodic death metal groups!
I remember when i found out that Peter was the drummer on Static Impulse, i was so excited and couldn't imagine how his crazy drumming would fit in a JLB album. It was better than i expected :metal :metal
Thank you soooo much!!! :tup@ Peter, That would be AWESOME on the Electruction 250. Love the original CD. The groove and feel is just cool.
Would be cool since that album is quite old by now. I was told just a few weeks ago by Matt (the guy that released the E-250 album) that JR was a fan of the band, coool!
:lol Brilliance.You reminded me that Spotify isn't going to be free anymore... :angry: :angry: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sadpanda: :sadpanda: :sadpanda:
EDIT: So, despite loving the drums and vocals (including Peter's) on Static Impulse, I'd never bothered to check out Darkane, but now that I've realised what a great guy Mr Wildoer is, I've decided to check them out. Most of the albums are on Spotify, so a perfect way to give them a listen! :D
Thanks! Quite different from DT though. ;D Hope you like it!!!
Here's a cool part from the Darkane song "Organic canvas":
www.youtube.com/watch?v=40vnWTfNot4
Here's something that hit me right now (idk if anyone has already posted about it): look at the JLB's hair lenght in the "Welcome to the family" section. I think it is definitely longer than it is in the other parts of the Doc, very much like it was when the Tarrytown show was held (mid January). This may strenghten the theory suggesting that a cobsiderable time lapse occurred between the auditions and the announcement.Good theory, but the truth is that having those drummers playing with DT actually makes time go faster in the surrounding areas, so everybody got 1 year older during the auditions. Prepare to see Petrucci sleeping during the whole second day (hibernation time) and JR's beard growing down to his waist a la Rip Van Winkle.
I know, this is probably just a late night delirium, but maybe there is some truth lying beneath it... :)
Is that the Electric Cartoon Music From Hell album? Because that is also on Spotify! :DWould be cool since that album is quite old by now. I was told just a few weeks ago by Matt (the guy that released the E-250 album) that JR was a fan of the band, coool!
Dude, that album rocks. I think I some pople here cold get ahold of it, they would be floored.
Meh, I pay for the full premium version. Totally worth it, especially as I can sync it up to my iPod. And ultimately it means that if I keep listening to something on there, a bit of my money ends up going to the band/label. :):lol Brilliance.You reminded me that Spotify isn't going to be free anymore... :angry: :angry: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sadpanda: :sadpanda: :sadpanda:
EDIT: So, despite loving the drums and vocals (including Peter's) on Static Impulse, I'd never bothered to check out Darkane, but now that I've realised what a great guy Mr Wildoer is, I've decided to check them out. Most of the albums are on Spotify, so a perfect way to give them a listen! :D
I will never be open again. (pun intended.. well I never had the open version anyway, but..)
Gotta have to check out Darkane too..
@ariich, ys thats the album.Is that the Electric Cartoon Music From Hell album? Because that is also on Spotify! :DWould be cool since that album is quite old by now. I was told just a few weeks ago by Matt (the guy that released the E-250 album) that JR was a fan of the band, coool!
Dude, that album rocks. I think I some pople here cold get ahold of it, they would be floored.Meh, I pay for the full premium version. Totally worth it, especially as I can sync it up to my iPod. And ultimately it means that if I keep listening to something on there, a bit of my money ends up going to the band/label. :):lol Brilliance.You reminded me that Spotify isn't going to be free anymore... :angry: :angry: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sadpanda: :sadpanda: :sadpanda:
EDIT: So, despite loving the drums and vocals (including Peter's) on Static Impulse, I'd never bothered to check out Darkane, but now that I've realised what a great guy Mr Wildoer is, I've decided to check them out. Most of the albums are on Spotify, so a perfect way to give them a listen! :D
I will never be open again. (pun intended.. well I never had the open version anyway, but..)
Gotta have to check out Darkane too..
Although when I find things I really really like, I buy them eventually anyway.
Meh, I pay for the full premium version. Totally worth it, especially as I can sync it up to my iPod. And ultimately it means that if I keep listening to something on there, a bit of my money ends up going to the band/label. :)
Although when I find things I really really like, I buy them eventually anyway.
Schweet, syncing up to iPod now, will listen to it at work tomorrow, along with the Darkane!
Ah right, never noticed that, looks like it's only for certain artists or more likely certain labels. I have yet to come across anything with that problem.Meh, I pay for the full premium version. Totally worth it, especially as I can sync it up to my iPod. And ultimately it means that if I keep listening to something on there, a bit of my money ends up going to the band/label. :)
Although when I find things I really really like, I buy them eventually anyway.
That's how I work too... but Spotify has had a problem for more than 6 months of a lot of 10 min+ tracks being removed, and it's because of a licensing problem they have. Otherwise I'd definitely pay for Unlimited...
That basically has restricted me from being able to check out Mike Oldfield.. lol
Chek out Peter in Electrocution 250.If the physical CD is hard to find, it's also for sale on iTunes, Amazon MP3, or CD Baby. (We love ya Peter!)
Great cd if you can find it.
When will the next episode be? Is this going to be a weekly thing? Also, is it known when the band will announce the new drummer? Does the band already know the new drummer?
Thanks! Where will the episode be tommorrow? Also, when will the last episode be?
Is that the Electric Cartoon Music From Hell album? Because that is also on Spotify! :DWould be cool since that album is quite old by now. I was told just a few weeks ago by Matt (the guy that released the E-250 album) that JR was a fan of the band, coool!
Dude, that album rocks. I think I some pople here cold get ahold of it, they would be floored.
Schweet, syncing up to iPod now, will listen to it at work tomorrow, along with the Darkane!
Cool. The E-250 stuff is awesome. as is Darkane. Check out Peter in Pestilence (s/P? sorry doing a brain fart at the moment).
You guys will soon get to know my playing, ha ha ha.... ;)
:lol I'm not sure that's what he meant.:lol he could just be referring to his video audition or............................ :biggrin:
...or was it?
@Peter: Okay, here's another one I think you probably can answer at this point: What did they send you to prep for the audition? I'm guessing some audio of the songs (CD? mp3?) and something written (actual sheet music? cheat sheet with the time signatures?). Anything else you can tell us about that?
haha too funny. Love it! Makes me een more excited about the Pt 2tomorrow & 3 on Friday. Peter you tease LOL :lol
Peter, you could've given many DTF'er's high blood pressure by keeping that suspense up.
@Peter: Okay, here's another one I think you probably can answer at this point: What did they send you to prep for the audition? I'm guessing some audio of the songs (CD? mp3?) and something written (actual sheet music? cheat sheet with the time signatures?). Anything else you can tell us about that?
We got sent the three songs in mp3 format and that's it. It kind of felt overwhelming in the beginning that I had to learn all that! We didn't get no sheet music or anything but I knew that a friend of mine had some DT Sheet music books and I borrowed it and there I had all of the meters etc, nice. :) Also I have Portnoy's Liquid Drum Theater DVD so I could get a grip on "The dance of eternity". That at least sped up the process of learning the songs.
I know alot of people have said what I am about to say, but it is SO friggin awesome Peter is doing what he is doing here and on FB. Cheers bro. It is great to see someone of your stature just being down to earth with us.
I know alot of people have said what I am about to say, but it is SO friggin awesome Peter is doing what he is doing here and on FB. Cheers bro. It is great to see someone of your stature just being down to earth with us.
:omg: Wow! I'm really surprised they didn't send you anything written. I'm 41 years old and just started learning drums a little over a year ago. I can't fathom the type of skill it would take to break down all the timing, etc., of a DT song just going by ear.
BTW Wildoer isn't checking this thread anymore.
Yes I am. ;) Lurking, lurking, lurking... :biggrin:
By the way Nihil have you seen me perform Lalle Larsson's tune "Experiment" a few years ago at a drum clinic:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZZ42Uu9aI
Thought you might like it?
Cheers
I'm 41 years old and just started learning drums a little over a year ago.
Um...thanks?
So what? He is an old fogey.Um...thanks?
:|
I find it admirable that at your age (I realize 41 isn't very old, but you're not a teenager or a young adult anymore) you're learning to play the drums.
I didn't mean to make it sound like I was calling you an old fogey. My apologies.
:lol Okay, let's just agree that I'll promise take it as a compliment if you'll promise to just stop posting about it and digging the hole even deeper. Deal?
Dammit, I'll be unable to watch this until like 5pm tomorrow. It's going to kill me going through the day knowing this is available but not being able to watch it.I'm going through the same situation tomorrow and Friday. Think of how Friday is going to be if the last episode is actually then!
I find it admirable that at your age (I realize 41 isn't very old, but you're not a teenager or a young adult anymore) you're learning to play the drums.
I didn't mean to make it sound like I was calling you an old fogey. My apologies.
I find it admirable that at your age (I realize 41 isn't very old, but you're not a teenager or a young adult anymore) you're learning to play the drums.
I didn't mean to make it sound like I was calling you an old fogey. My apologies.
It must be hard for bosk playing drums in Depends. Oh wait....... I'm older. :lol
VERY EXCITED FOR NEW VIDEO TOMORROW :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
I have to say, that's pretty impressive at your age.
But they weren't almost done recording back then
:millahhhh
Best part for me is when JR hits the thunder sample (after trying to find it) and MM says "I hear it" in anticipation of what's to come with a smile on his face like a giddy kid about to go over the first big drop on a roller coaster after the long climb up. Then Jordan is yelling (due to the in-ears and the sample playing) about it being authentic and i had a good laugh. Great moment!Or right before it, that misused sample
:heart
I find it admirable that at your age (I realize 41 isn't very old, but you're not a teenager or a young adult anymore) you're learning to play the drums.
I didn't mean to make it sound like I was calling you an old fogey. My apologies.
It must be hard for bosk playing drums in Depends. Oh wait....... I'm older. :lol
You're an awesome old fogey. :heart
DAMMIT I'M BANNING ALL Y'ALL! :bosk1:
I was re-watching the video. I found it hilarious when Mangini smashed the little ceramic drum-- "Oh dear, what have I done to the bedspread. That and when he slammed the door and his reaction. It's those tiny reactions to things that make me kind of laugh and see how he reacts. He genuinely seems like a nice guyCeramic? Oh man, I might be retarded but I totally thought that drum was made of chocolate. :lol
DAMMIT I'M BANNING ALL Y'ALL! :bosk1:BOO YAH! LOL. There may not be many people left after all the baning old fart :biggrin:(with all sincerity dude I am44 LOL).
bosk is going to ban us all just so he can have a one on one Q&A session with Peter.Just bustin balls bosk, all in fun :)
To the guy on the train speculating on who the new #dreamtheater drummer is: good morning; you are right! 11 hours agohttps://twitter.com/#!/rrusa
Thanks! Quite different from DT though. ;D Hope you like it!!!Holy crap, that's awesome Peter!
Here's a cool part from the Darkane song "Organic canvas":
www.youtube.com/watch?v=40vnWTfNot4
He seems happy about it. Just look at his avitar.
I think it's surprising that we've seen none of Lang yet. Not even a glimpse........but I think I saw a bandana in the cliffhanger.
Ha ha ha, that was misinterpreted. I guess my english isn't that good after all! I ment my previous drum work. or... :lol
we don't have a release date for the third episode yet, right?No. But I think it's safe to say they'll release it on Friday.
we don't have a release date for the third episode yet, right?No. But I think it's safe to say they'll release it on Friday.
. My old fart memory beside, I think Peter said he was the last to audition. On a side note, I heard a rumour/statment, today from someone from RR, that": dont count out Lang. The RR guy/girl, he is a friend of mine, and as much as I trust him, I just am putting it out there. Not saying its Lang, it just threw me for a loop I guess.I think it's surprising that we've seen none of Lang yet. Not even a glimpse........but I think I saw a bandana in the cliffhanger.
Maybe he was one of the last guys to audition?
I CAUGHT YOU BEFORE YOU EDITED IT, HAHA. My old fart memory beside, I think Peter said he was the last to audition.I think it's surprising that we've seen none of Lang yet. Not even a glimpse........but I think I saw a bandana in the cliffhanger.
Maybe he was one of the last guys to audition?
Sory bro, rethought what I said, because I probably should not have said it. So I edeited it.I CAUGHT YOU BEFORE YOU EDITED IT, HAHA. My old fart memory beside, I think Peter said he was the last to audition.I think it's surprising that we've seen none of Lang yet. Not even a glimpse........but I think I saw a bandana in the cliffhanger.
Maybe he was one of the last guys to audition?
And actually.....my gut kinda tells me Lang is gonna be the guy that gets the "best audition yet" praise. I know the video showed Minnemann right before that comment, but I don't think that means that the comment must be regarding him.
AHA but now you have to tell me who your RR source is, BUDDY.Sory bro, rethought what I said, because I probably should not have said it. So I edeited it.I CAUGHT YOU BEFORE YOU EDITED IT, HAHA. My old fart memory beside, I think Peter said he was the last to audition.I think it's surprising that we've seen none of Lang yet. Not even a glimpse........but I think I saw a bandana in the cliffhanger.
Maybe he was one of the last guys to audition?
And actually.....my gut kinda tells me Lang is gonna be the guy that gets the "best audition yet" praise. I know the video showed Minnemann right before that comment, but I don't think that means that the comment must be regarding him.
Then when does that leave time for a recap? Going by Mangini's rule of thumb, they spent like 7 minutes on each guy. But, then again, the 7 minutes of Mangini was fleshed out a lot by them talking about the process. So I'm guessing 5 minute for each-- we'll get four guys on Wednesday, 2 guys on friday and then 10 minutes of recap with the drummer announcement.Makes sense.
I don't get out to work until 12:30 and then I have to pick up something for my mom. I'm just hoping I don't have a premature smilejaculation just thinking about the new documentary episode and get in a car accident.
smilejaculation
Ha ha ha, that was misinterpreted. I guess my english isn't that good after all! I ment my previous drum work. or... :lol
It's him.
Then when does that leave time for a recap? Going by Mangini's rule of thumb, they spent like 7 minutes on each guy. But, then again, the 7 minutes of Mangini was fleshed out a lot by them talking about the process. So I'm guessing 5 minute for each-- we'll get four guys on Wednesday, 2 guys on friday and then 10 minutes of recap with the drummer announcement.
By the way Nihil have you seen me perform Lalle Larsson's tune "Experiment" a few years ago at a drum clinic:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZZ42Uu9aI
Thought you might like it?
Cheers
. My old fart memory beside, I think Peter said he was the last to audition. On a side note, I heard a rumour/statment, today from someone from RR, that": dont count out Lang. The RR guy/girl, he is a friend of mine, and as much as I trust him, I just am putting it out there. Not saying its Lang, it just threw me for a loop I guess.I think it's surprising that we've seen none of Lang yet. Not even a glimpse........but I think I saw a bandana in the cliffhanger.
Maybe he was one of the last guys to audition?
;D he said also " you guys will get to know my drumming... ;) hahaha " :D :xbonesHa ha ha, that was misinterpreted. I guess my english isn't that good after all! I ment my previous drum work. or... :lol
It's him.
:metal :biggrin:
Wildoer has always been my second choice (behind Lang) but seeing how fun and honest he's being with us on here is really making me wish he gets the gig.
I've wondered before if there is a surprised 8th.
There isn't.
Ah right, never noticed that, looks like it's only for certain artists or more likely certain labels. I have yet to come across anything with that problem.Meh, I pay for the full premium version. Totally worth it, especially as I can sync it up to my iPod. And ultimately it means that if I keep listening to something on there, a bit of my money ends up going to the band/label. :)
Although when I find things I really really like, I buy them eventually anyway.
That's how I work too... but Spotify has had a problem for more than 6 months of a lot of 10 min+ tracks being removed, and it's because of a licensing problem they have. Otherwise I'd definitely pay for Unlimited...
That basically has restricted me from being able to check out Mike Oldfield.. lol
Hi Peter! I see that you're online...could you tell us if DT "planted" any curveballs or red herrings? Not that you'd be able to tell us....but did they? ;D
Yeah. That was one of the reasons I hauled a bunch of Rush CDs.. they were on sale anyway. Win! :lolAh right, never noticed that, looks like it's only for certain artists or more likely certain labels. I have yet to come across anything with that problem.Meh, I pay for the full premium version. Totally worth it, especially as I can sync it up to my iPod. And ultimately it means that if I keep listening to something on there, a bit of my money ends up going to the band/label. :)
Although when I find things I really really like, I buy them eventually anyway.
That's how I work too... but Spotify has had a problem for more than 6 months of a lot of 10 min+ tracks being removed, and it's because of a licensing problem they have. Otherwise I'd definitely pay for Unlimited...
That basically has restricted me from being able to check out Mike Oldfield.. lol
A couple of the best Rush songs (2112, The Camera Eye, Xanadu) have become victim of this... Luckily I have them on CD.
Next one in 5 hours! I wonder what songs they'll play this time, considering they went through the bands discography last time :pI don't know, but I'm sure that the awsomeness of the NY skyline with LTL's outro playing at the ending of the first epusode will be unmatched.
Yeah it was great, but as I said before I thought it would have been better if they saved it (probably DT's best outro) for the last installment :)Next one in 5 hours! I wonder what songs they'll play this time, considering they went through the bands discography last time :pI don't know, but I'm sure that the awsomeness of the NY skyline with LTL's outro playing at the ending of the first epusode will be unmatched.
Goose skin inducing, as we say in italy ;)
Yeah it was great, but as I said before I thought it would have been better if they saved it (probably DT's best outro) for the last installment :)You know, I though that as well, but then, the section was right there, and I was watching it, so what the fuck XD
Times like this I really wish I had a youtube capable smart phone or something of the like.
Next one in 5 hours! I wonder what songs they'll play this time, considering they went through the bands discography last time :p
Peter can clear this up.
Was that drum thing chocolate or a ceramic drum :lol
Peter can clear this up.
Was that drum thing chocolate or a ceramic drum :lol
Hey!
It was made out of chocolate with small chocolate bits inside. Very tasty and cool. Other stuff that were included in the gift bag as I remember it now were, the letter we've seen in the video, a DT cap, DT shirt, DT mousepad and a DT necklace if I remember correctly.
2 hours and 50 minutes!!! :metal :metal :metal Can't wait!!!
Peter:
First, I'm honoured to have the opportunity to talk to one of the best drummers in the world. My question is: all of you seven used the same drum kit to audition, but there are some differences in the different sequences of the trailer video. Were you been able to customize that kit for your own best?
Thank you very much for your time.
All the best.
Andres.
Buenos Aires
Argentina
Peter?
lol
Peter:
First, I'm honoured to have the opportunity to talk to one of the best drummers in the world. My question is: all of you seven used the same drum kit to audition, but there are some differences in the different sequences of the trailer video. Were you been able to customize that kit for your own best?
Thank you very much for your time.
All the best.
Andres.
Buenos Aires
Argentina
Peter?
Peter:
First, I'm honoured to have the opportunity to talk to one of the best drummers in the world. My question is: all of you seven used the same drum kit to audition, but there are some differences in the different sequences of the trailer video. Were you been able to customize that kit for your own best?
Thank you very much for your time.
All the best.
Andres.
Buenos Aires
Argentina
Peter?
Try not to push it too hard, bud. Once is enough. :lol
Peter:
First, I'm honoured to have the opportunity to talk to one of the best drummers in the world. My question is: all of you seven used the same drum kit to audition, but there are some differences in the different sequences of the trailer video. Were you been able to customize that kit for your own best?
Thank you very much for your time.
All the best.
Andres.
Buenos Aires
Argentina
Peter?
Try not to push it too hard, bud. Once is enough. :lol
Yeah... Maybe you're right. Thanks anyway.
All drummers had enough time to set up the kit how they wanted it. Yes, we did use the same kit and there were plenty of toms, stands etc. and also some stuff that we individually asked for. The same goes for cymbals but I brought some special stacks and other specific cymbals with me. I also brought my twin kick pedal.Our drummer actually do the same, for the same reasons as you. :lol Just more practical when you don't have roadies doing all the work for you. The same reason I don't use a wall of speakers behind me on stage. (Other than it being really, really cliché of course... :P )
A "fun" thing is that I was the only drummer that used just one bass drum with twin pedals. All the others used two bass drums. I've never used double bass drums as that would not fit in my car! :D JR actually asked me how I was able to play their songs with just one kick drum when I was setting up. I said that I had a really fast right foot, ha ha ha... :rollin He looked at me very surpised then I said I use a twin pedal. ;)
Peter:
First, I'm honoured to have the opportunity to talk to one of the best drummers in the world. My question is: all of you seven used the same drum kit to audition, but there are some differences in the different sequences of the trailer video. Were you been able to customize that kit for your own best?
Thank you very much for your time.
All the best.
Andres.
Buenos Aires
Argentina
Peter?
Try not to push it too hard, bud. Once is enough. :lol
Yeah... Maybe you're right. Thanks anyway.
So let me see if I get this right: Are the pedal(s) you are using those special pedals where one pedal basically "controls" two beaters?
So let me see if I get this right: Are the pedal(s) you are using those special pedals where one pedal basically "controls" two beaters?
Peter:
First, I'm honoured to have the opportunity to talk to one of the best drummers in the world. My question is: all of you seven used the same drum kit to audition, but there are some differences in the different sequences of the trailer video. Were you been able to customize that kit for your own best?
Thank you very much for your time.
All the best.
Andres.
Buenos Aires
Argentina
Peter?
Try not to push it too hard, bud. Once is enough. :lol
Yeah... Maybe you're right. Thanks anyway.
:lol No worries!
All drummers had enough time to set up the kit how they wanted it. Yes, we did use the same kit and there were plenty of toms, stands etc. and also some stuff that we individually asked for. The same goes for cymbals but I brought some special stacks and other specific cymbals with me. I also brought my twin kick pedal.
A "fun" thing is that I was the only drummer that used just one bass drum with twin pedals. All the others used two bass drums. I've never used double bass drums as that would not fit in my car! :D JR actually asked me how I was able to play their songs with just one kick drum when I was setting up. I said that I had a really fast right foot, ha ha ha... :rollin He looked at me very surpised then I said I use a twin pedal. ;)
:lol No worries!
A "fun" thing is that I was the only drummer that used just one bass drum with twin pedals. All the others used two bass drums. I've never used double bass drums as that would not fit in my car! :D JR actually asked me how I was able to play their songs with just one kick drum when I was setting up. I said that I had a really fast right foot, ha ha ha... :rollin He looked at me very surpised then I said I use a twin pedal. ;)
PS: about the one kick drum thing, I heard that Nicko Mc Brain do that. He doesn't have a twin pedal but a really fast right (bare)foot. Not enough for DT of course but still really impressive.
There is only one person I know for certain is not the choice. The other six...who knows? :x
For the guys who can't watch it due to YouTube country restrictions or whatever, I'll upload the 720p version to megaupload soon after it has been released as I did with Episode 1.:metal
Nicko's right foot isn't all that great. The quick kicks you hear on "Face in the Sand" and "Ghost of Navigators" are fixed with Pro-Tools because Nicko couldn't get it right!Nicko said that Face in the sand is the only Iron Maiden song where he used a double bass pedal.
Man, it is impossible for me to get anything done the hour before this show comes on.
Man, it is impossible for me to get anything done the hour before this show comes on.
You are not the only one :hat
Times like this I really wish I had a youtube capable smart phone or something of the like.
It wont play on mobile devices.
Peter:
First, I'm honoured to have the opportunity to talk to one of the best drummers in the world. My question is: all of you seven used the same drum kit to audition, but there are some differences in the different sequences of the trailer video. Were you been able to customize that kit for your own best?
Thank you very much for your time.
All the best.
Andres.
Buenos Aires
Argentina
Peter?
Try not to push it too hard, bud. Once is enough. :lol
Already watching it.Agreed. And that riff was really groovy, the kind of classic-rock/Deep Purple thing I would like them to do more.
Derek Roddy's not exciting me too much, but he seems pretty cool. Fairly sure he's not got it, though.
Liking Jordan's audition riff, though. That's a brilliant test.
There is only one person I know for certain is not the choice. The other six...who knows? :xWait, did you say who it is or you're supposed to keep it a secret? o-o
Oh good god. They turned down Lang because he didn't play the songs exactly as Portnoy did?
Oh good god. They turned down Lang because he didn't play the songs exactly as Portnoy did?
The impression I got from watching was more like he messed up a couple times trying to showboat, and maybe the new ideas didn't work so well?
I chuckled at Rudess being hesitant about Lang because of the way he added too much of his own personality to their already-written tunes, considering how much liberty he has taken with keyboard solos in particular since joining the band.
I'll be happy with Mike or Marco, they were both great. However I loved both Lang and Donati too, they had great personalities and some of their drumming in the riffs was :metal
Now I know why I've been rooting for Marco this whole time. That was impressive! He seemed to fit the style perfect!!!
I guess I have a new favorite...While I think Mike Mangini was great, Marco Minnemann just had that little extra groove. I still think the band's choice will be Mangini, but Minnemann just plays a little bit cooler.
Guys, the whole "the didn't play the songs the right way" could be like a nice way of saying "they didn't play the songs right/correctly."
Marco and Lang stood out. Not a bang fan of Virgil especially the way in which he holds the sticks.
Man, the Roddy audition looked like a disaster, with them struggling to say anything positive.6 hours later, JP holding his cam: "Oh, yeah! He has good blast-beats...OK, CUT!"
rumborak
Just watched Marco's part where they played The Spirit Carries On. Damn, James was kinda off there o-o
Marco and Lang stood out. Not a bang fan of Virgil especially the way in which he holds the sticks.
You mean, the good way? :lol
rumborak
Man, the Roddy audition looked like a disaster, with them struggling to say anything positive.
rumborak
This second episode isn't as re-watchable as the first. Oh well!
Marco and Mike have been the best by far, mostly because of their personality. But the more I think about it, the more I realize Mike has quite a big edge. There's just something about him. I think I have a man crush.
Nah I mean, he sounded great. It's just his voice kinda cracked up...well he did sing these songs quite a lot of times during the auditions.Just watched Marco's part where they played The Spirit Carries On. Damn, James was kinda off there o-o
James actually sounded terrific.
oh god I LOVED Lang in this video. Holy shit he's awesome.Scratch that, Minneman was better.
Marco and Lang stood out. Not a bang fan of Virgil especially the way in which he holds the sticks.
You mean, the good way? :lol
rumborak
I don't know much about the ways to hold drum sticks but they way Virgil does it just reminds me of chop sticks.
This second episode isn't as re-watchable as the first. Oh well!
Marco and Mike have been the best by far, mostly because of their personality. But the more I think about it, the more I realize Mike has quite a big edge. There's just something about him. I think I have a man crush.
I agree with every word of that post. BUT, keep in mind, are opinions are somewhat manipulated by what footage is shown. I'm sure there were some magical moments from all these guys.
Can anyone else see the end of the series with someone saying, "Welcome to Dream Theater, MM!"
I'll be Angra.
Yeah, I remember now, I remember how it started, I just remember doing what they told me, told me...:metal :metal :metal
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Whether or not they messed up a little during playing 2 reallllly har dsongs for the first time with a band, or whether or not they messed up jamming to a weird timed riff they'd never heard before, all of these drummers came across as really cool people and my respect for them has increased 10 fold.
CEILING JORDAN IS WATCHING YOU PLAY THE DRUMS @ 12:06-12:07LMFAO!
Whether or not they messed up a little during playing 2 reallllly har dsongs for the first time with a band, or whether or not they messed up jamming to a weird timed riff they'd never heard before, all of these drummers came across as really cool people and my respect for them has increased 10 fold.Agreed. I've also gained more respect for MP seeing world class-drummers doing what he did everyday, and finding it a little hard. I mean, matching with the DT's other 3 great musicians is not piece of cake.
:rollin
But wait...what?Can anyone else see the end of the series with someone saying, "Welcome to Dream Theater, MM!"
I'll be Angra.
:omg:
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CEILING JORDAN IS WATCHING YOU PLAY THE DRUMS @ 12:06-12:07:rollin :rollin
Whether or not they messed up a little during playing 2 reallllly har dsongs for the first time with a band, or whether or not they messed up jamming to a weird timed riff they'd never heard before, all of these drummers came across as really cool people and my respect for them has increased 10 fold.Agreed. I've also gained more respect for MP seeing world class-drummers doing what he did everyday, and finding it a little hard. I mean, matching with the DT's other 3 great musicians is not piece of cake.
This second episode isn't as re-watchable as the first. Oh well!
Marco and Mike have been the best by far, mostly because of their personality. But the more I think about it, the more I realize Mike has quite a big edge. There's just something about him. I think I have a man crush.
I agree with every word of that post. BUT, keep in mind, are opinions are somewhat manipulated by what footage is shown. I'm sure there were some magical moments from all these guys.
So, both JM and JP say at the end that it's down to 2 so far: Mangini and Minneman. And the other 3 did have some struggles.
I will say that, while I don't know much about Roddy's drumming, there are two things that stood out to me about his clips: (1) I love his easygoing personality. Seems like the ideal guy to have in a band from a personality standpoint. (2) His blast beats are amazing. Not to take anything away from MP, but even on the album, his blast beats at the end of ANTR sound like they are just a fraction of a beat behind and it is like he is struggling to keep the pace. Roddy's were just spot on and sounded effortless. Perhaps more importantly, they sounded like a beat rather than a trick or a flourish.
Anyhow, can't wait for ep. 3.
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WANT.
Peter is 36. That may be young compared to the rest of them, but... c'mon.That's just like 7 years younger than the Johns, I'd actually love it if there was a younger band member in DT.
Whether or not they messed up a little during playing 2 reallllly har dsongs for the first time with a band, or whether or not they messed up jamming to a weird timed riff they'd never heard before, all of these drummers came across as really cool people and my respect for them has increased 10 fold.Agreed. I've also gained more respect for MP seeing world class-drummers doing what he did everyday, and finding it a little hard. I mean, matching with the DT's other 3 great musicians is not piece of cake.
After watching this documentary and seeing incredible drummers struggle with either replicating songs or jamming or coming up with ideas under a riff, has your appreciation for Portnoy as a player grown?
I know mine sure has!
Yes, I had that same exact thought. It's easy to become a bit numb and/or indifferent to how complex DT's music is and how smooth the members of DT sound playing it. Seeing these world-class drummers struggle in places really underscores what incredible musicians all the members of DT are and how complex and difficult the music is. The fact that it is so difficult but doesn't sound all that difficult is also a testiment to how well-written it is as well.
Adami is correct that Mike was in a different position. Given time to jam the stuff out more with the band, a number of these guys could probably surpass Mike's playing on a lot of songs. Mike has said himself that he doesn't consider himself on the same level as a couple of these guys. Sure, part of that is him being humble and showing due respect. But the point is, Mike is indeed in a small, elite group of musicians. Without getting into a squabble about who might be the "better" drummer, this does indeed underscore that Mike is an incredible player. Good thread, TOX.
Can someone screen grab the ceiling jordan? I'm at work now.
Anyone else get goosebumps at the end of episode 2? eeeeeeeeek
That's what I mean. I don't see why they'd be ageist in this matter, especially when they already approached him.
That's what I mean. I don't see why they'd be ageist in this matter, especially when they already approached him.
Are you serious? These guys have to all hang out on a tour bus for weeks at a time. How much fun do you have hanging out with people whose age puts them in a fundamentally different place than you?
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After seeing this, it's really really obvious why they went with Mangini. I know you can make a lot happen with editing, but personal chemistry doesn't lie. All four guys in this vid felt like guys auditioning for a band. Mangini felt like a member of the band almost right away.How comes you're so confident it's Mangini?
Oof, Donati's timing at the beginning of TDOE was way off. I don't think he'd be a good fit at all.
And I chuckled at Rudess being hesitant about Lang because of the way he added too much of his own personality to their already-written tunes, considering how much liberty he has taken with keyboard solos in particular since joining the band.
Lang - I kinda liked his take on the band's sound, but something wasn't there. Like, the little changes I heard just weren't completely right.
Mangini's showmanship really comes across after seeing his these other guys handled the material. Mangini was using facial expressions to show extra intensity and spinning his drumstick at the start of TDOE. He was more fun to watch, in addition to being technically sound like these guys today.
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Oof, Donati's timing at the beginning of TDOE was way off. I don't think he'd be a good fit at all.
And I chuckled at Rudess being hesitant about Lang because of the way he added too much of his own personality to their already-written tunes, considering how much liberty he has taken with keyboard solos in particular since joining the band.
Thus far, I definitely see why Mike and Marco are top 2 at this point. The other guys didn't seem to have as much chemistry with the band on all the levels those two had. Mike and Marco have that "it" factor that the band seem to really be looking for.This exactly. Marco blew me away as much as Mike did two days ago, I love how the guy looks like he really enjoys playing the stuff. And he absolutely nailed everything. I'd really be happy with any of these two drummers in Dream Theater.
I don't understand why JP and JR seemed slightly bothered by the drummers not playing the music exactly as it is on the albums. Did JR do that with Kevin Moore's parts? No, he totally added his own flavor to Kevin's parts.I'll quote bosk1 here because I agree with him on that:
Yeah, there's a difference between adding some personality and different accents to a song vs. playing the song differently. IMO, the former is desireable while the latter is not.
That's what I mean. I don't see why they'd be ageist in this matter, especially when they already approached him.
Are you serious? These guys have to all hang out on a tour bus for weeks at a time. How much fun do you have hanging out with people whose age puts them in a fundamentally different place than you?
Yeah. Remember when they wanted to get that Jordan Rudess child prodigy guy after Derek left, but he was a decade older than them so they said forget it?
After seeing this, it's really really obvious why they went with Mangini. I know you can make a lot happen with editing, but personal chemistry doesn't lie. All four guys in this vid felt like guys auditioning for a band. Mangini felt like a member of the band almost right away.How comes you're so confident it's Mangini?
Mangini so far is the best personality wise. Not the best technical wise, but still up there and higher than MP. He's also the closest, so far, to reaching Mike's energy level behind the kit I think.
Oof, Donati's timing at the beginning of TDOE was way off. I don't think he'd be a good fit at all.
And I chuckled at Rudess being hesitant about Lang because of the way he added too much of his own personality to their already-written tunes, considering how much liberty he has taken with keyboard solos in particular since joining the band.
I agree. I said to myself, who the f is Jordan to make a pompous statement regarding adding too much of his own? He should have embraced it. That statement sounded like they wanted a MP clone player.
I don't understand why JP and JR seemed slightly bothered by the drummers not playing the music exactly as it is on the albums. Did JR do that with Kevin Moore's parts? No, he totally added his own flavor to Kevin's parts.
I don't understand why JP and JR seemed slightly bothered by the drummers not playing the music exactly as it is on the albums. Did JR do that with Kevin Moore's parts? No, he totally added his own flavor to Kevin's parts.People keep saying this. Keep in mind it's an AUDITION. I'm sure there is no trouble if they mix it up in a more creative environment, but in any musical audition, you've gotta play it note for note or it just sounds unprepared.
So, I think I see how this is gonna go. It will be a tough choice, but in the end, they'll choose Mangini based largely on the overall chemistry they have with him, and the final scene of the last episode will give us Mike's full audition performance of The Spirit Carries On (note that they didn't show this at all for his audition yet).That makes a hell of a lot of sense. Especially the bit where you reckon they'll show TSCO in full. It'll be the same length as the last two parts, with half the number of drummers. The choosing of the drummer plus TSCO would build the length to match. Very much believe you're right.
Whether or not they messed up a little during playing 2 reallllly har dsongs for the first time with a band, or whether or not they messed up jamming to a weird timed riff they'd never heard before, all of these drummers came across as really cool people and my respect for them has increased 10 fold.Agreed. I've also gained more respect for MP seeing world class-drummers doing what he did everyday, and finding it a little hard. I mean, matching with the DT's other 3 great musicians is not piece of cake.
Does anyone here know where I can buy that cookie monster t-shirt Marco had? :lol :rollin :lolhttps://www.charliepunk.de/KRUeMELMONSTER-Cookie-Monster-Sesamstrasse-T-Shirt-NOM-NOM-NOM-GRAU-MELIERT
Marco has always been and will remain my #1 choice. Not only is he so technically capable, I think he would add to most during songwriting.I think this is very much it. Mike would augment the band and synchronise with them, whereas Marco would add something new to the band.
I'm thinking more and more that it's Wildoer. By the end of Day 2, the band's conflicted as to who they want, but in the end, it was supposedly "clear." And we haven't seen James' comment of "that was the best, by far" or whatever, actually surface yet, have we? Which means it's in Part 3.
At this point, I think it's like 40% Mangini, 40% Wildoer, 15% Priester, 5% Minnemann.
Does anyone here know where I can buy that cookie monster t-shirt Marco had? :lol :rollin :lolhttps://www.charliepunk.de/KRUeMELMONSTER-Cookie-Monster-Sesamstrasse-T-Shirt-NOM-NOM-NOM-GRAU-MELIERTMarco has always been and will remain my #1 choice. Not only is he so technically capable, I think he would add to most during songwriting.I think this is very much it. Mike would augment the band and synchronise with them, whereas Marco would add something new to the band.
On one hand, I agree that Jordan has taken too much liberty with old keyboard solos, so him criticizing other drummers for it is kind of weird.
On the other hand, there's a huge difference between changing one keyboard solo and changing an entire song's drumming.
At this point, I think it's like 40% Mangini, 40% Wildoer, 15% Priester, 5% Minnemann.
And we haven't seen James' comment of "that was the best, by far" or whatever, actually surface yet, have we? Which means it's in Part 3.
I've said before Lang is just too good.
He's like......Sheldon hanging out with the rest of the phd friends on Big Bang Theory.
I've said before Lang is just too good.
He's like......Sheldon hanging out with the rest of the phd friends on Big Bang Theory.
One thing I noticed from what we have seen thus far, is that Mangini wants it the most. He really really wants to be in Dream Theater while the other guys were more like, yeah it'd be cool to find a home as a drummer. But Mangini seems dead set on that home being Dream Theater.tbh I think that's probably why he got the gig.
Love that Marco is wearing an om nom nom t-shirt in episode 2 of the #dreamtheater doc.
OM NOM NOM!
One thing I noticed from what we have seen thus far, is that Mangini wants it the most. He really really wants to be in Dream Theater while the other guys were more like, yeah it'd be cool to find a home as a drummer. But Mangini seems dead set on that home being Dream Theater.tbh I think that's probably why he got the gig.
And we haven't seen James' comment of "that was the best, by far" or whatever, actually surface yet, have we? Which means it's in Part 3.
This is just a personal opinion.
A lot of people like the fact that Marco's a super fun guy who adds some of that feeling to the songs. But honestly, that to me is the biggest strike against him. Almost all of my favorite least DT moments are "fun" sections like the weird falsetto at the end of Razor's Edge on CiM, or the circus thing in UAGM on Score. And, at least to me, the lighter attitude towards the music has resulted in a lot of the crazier solo sections that detract from the songs. I don't expect or want Mangini to just come in and magically change DT's songwriting on his own, but in the context of DT I do like that he brings a more serious demeanor to his work than Minneman.
the awful fast thing in TRoAE (arguably my least favorite part of any DT song).
I liked the second episode more than the first.
The one thing that kind of gets me is that if DT didn't want the drummers to put their own spin on it (the knocks on two of the drummers), they should have made it more clear. I'm sure that they could play it more true to the original if they thought they were supposed to. I guess saying "too much interpretation" is a much kinder reason for saying someone isn't in the running, but it still seems like something that should have been taken out of the equation by simply stating what they wanted.
And we haven't seen James' comment of "that was the best, by far" or whatever, actually surface yet, have we? Which means it's in Part 3.
Well i thought of this too but then i watch the first part again and when james say that line they are dressed with the same shirts than day 2.. and we know part 3 is on the third day so i guess they were dressed different.
the awful fast thing in TRoAE (arguably my least favorite part of any DT song).
Which part? I think I know what you're talking about but I wanna know before I hurt you.
So the whole "blown away" thing was Wildoer or Priester?And we haven't seen James' comment of "that was the best, by far" or whatever, actually surface yet, have we? Which means it's in Part 3.
Well i thought of this too but then i watch the first part again and when james say that line they are dressed with the same shirts than day 2.. and we know part 3 is on the third day so i guess they were dressed different.
They didn't necessarily show the auditions sequentially, did they? Could be that Wildoer or Priester auditioned on day 2.
That, or they didn't change their clothes. :lol
And we haven't seen James' comment of "that was the best, by far" or whatever, actually surface yet, have we? Which means it's in Part 3.
I don't think so, because that comment was in reference to Minneman.
the awful fast thing in TRoAE (arguably my least favorite part of any DT song).
Which part? I think I know what you're talking about but I wanna know before I hurt you.
The fast thing before the band comes back in and it kicks into an keyboard solo (that's actually quite good, mind you). I think JP does some unison tapping with it actually, so it's technically not just a keyboard part.
It just always struck me as completely inappropriate for the song, since TRoAE is so heavy throughout and that part is really light.
I've said before Lang is just too good.
He's like......Sheldon hanging out with the rest of the phd friends on Big Bang Theory.
Ever since MP left the band, I have watched TONS of drummer videos...many more than I usually would have. The first thing that hit me while watching Lang was just how incredible his playing really is. I'm not a musician so I can't really understand how good all of these guys are, but lang's playing really stood out to me and left me in awe.
And we haven't seen James' comment of "that was the best, by far" or whatever, actually surface yet, have we? Which means it's in Part 3.
I don't think so, because that comment was in reference to Minneman.
You don't know that, Bosk.
This is just a personal opinion.
A lot of people like the fact that Marco's a super fun guy who adds some of that feeling to the songs. But honestly, that to me is the biggest strike against him. Almost all of my favorite least DT moments are "fun" sections like the weird falsetto at the end of Razor's Edge on CiM, or the circus thing in UAGM on Score. And, at least to me, the lighter attitude towards the music has resulted in a lot of the crazier solo sections that detract from the songs. I don't expect or want Mangini to just come in and magically change DT's songwriting on his own, but in the context of DT I do like that he brings a more serious demeanor to his work than Minneman.
Please see my first post on this page regarding editing in TV shows.
At this point, I think it's like 40% Mangini, 40% Wildoer, 15% Priester, 5% Minnemann.
Eh, I would drop Priester down to 10% and the other 3 to 30% apiece.
It seems weird that they didn't show that comment in the second episode if it was from Minnemann's audition.
the awful fast thing in TRoAE (arguably my least favorite part of any DT song).
Which part? I think I know what you're talking about but I wanna know before I hurt you.
The fast thing before the band comes back in and it kicks into an keyboard solo (that's actually quite good, mind you). I think JP does some unison tapping with it actually, so it's technically not just a keyboard part.
It just always struck me as completely inappropriate for the song, since TRoAE is so heavy throughout and that part is really light.
omg jamesman doesn't have to hurt you, cause I'm going to do it for him! That part is sooooo cool. Too light? Whaa? :censored
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You're right. I take that back.
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It seems weird that they didn't show that comment in the second episode if it was from Minnemann's audition.
Why? They already teased it at the end of Ep. 1. Given that they have several hours' worth of footage (3 hours of audition per drummer), they aren't going to include everything.
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That still leaves the quote of, "He was being Dream Theater." as unknown.I wouldn't be surprised if the unplaced quotes appeared in a sort of round-up - between the last audition, and the phone call.
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It seems weird that they didn't show that comment in the second episode if it was from Minnemann's audition.
Why? They already teased it at the end of Ep. 1. Given that they have several hours' worth of footage (3 hours of audition per drummer), they aren't going to include everything.
They put the other quote from James in I think, and given that they made such a big deal out of it it seems a strange thing to miss out just because it was in the teaser. And I'm pretty sure they're not going to miss out James saying "We'd like to welcome you to the family" just because it's been shown before...
Is it weird that I'm the only one here who just... didn't... like Donati's audition? It just didn't sound like DT to me at all.
Like, there's the riff that you see both Mangini and Donati play. And because of the way Mangini plays the riff, the riff itself sounds better and more interesting. Donati didn't give me that quality at all.
Here's another interesting observation: It could just be intentional to throw us off, but...Mangini is the only one they've shown taking a group photo with the band. Just sayin'...
So far only Mangini has played the opening fill of Nightmare correctly.
Here's another interesting observation: It could just be intentional to throw us off, but...Mangini is the only one they've shown taking a group photo with the band. Just sayin'...
The reason they didn't show you exactly who James was talking about is to keep up the suspense and to have you keep tuning in. It's called a hook. If they played it in episode 2 in context, it would totally deflate the tension going into ep 3.
Here's another interesting observation: It could just be intentional to throw us off, but...Mangini is the only one they've shown taking a group photo with the band. Just sayin'...
I think I saw them take one with another drummer too, can't remember for sure though.
How about the fact that Mangini basically got like 70% of the first video dedicated to him while this last video was split between 4 different drummers.
if this is set up like a mystery (which makes sense), then the most likely guy in the video is the one who it is not.
that is just what I am thinking
@Aniland: Whoever that was said about, I think that quote will show up when they reveal who it is.Does that mean....you think it's Minnemann???
QuoteThe reason they didn't show you exactly who James was talking about is to keep up the suspense and to have you keep tuning in. It's called a hook. If they played it in episode 2 in context, it would totally deflate the tension going into ep 3.
I understand the concept... but it showed the other comment, it said at the end of the episode that Minnemann was the only other one in the running so it's obvious how they impressed they were with him.
So far only Mangini has played the opening fill of Nightmare correctly.
Good point.
Not to mention all that lead-up with him saying "This isn't a gig to me" etc. The audition time was pretty similar, but there were all these extras, like DT wants you to get to know him.
So far only Mangini has played the opening fill of Nightmare correctly. And so far, even though I appreciate the
talent level of all the 'world class drummers' nobody is close to being on the same level as MP. That's my opinion
only and I'm sure many of you will disagree. Mike has a 'coolness' factor and a fluid style to his playing that made
very complicated things seems effortless...and while doing it, pointing at the audience, playing catch with sticks.
The more I watch the vids the more I realize how elite MP really is. He damn sure deserved every award he ever
won.
A while back there was speculation of Marco not wanting to commit to DT's schedule for family reasons. Do you think there could be a twist in the tale where they chose him then he turns it down?I was actually wondering this....but it might look really bad, for Dream Theater, Minnemann, and Mangini.
I only say this because the band/management might not have gone into specifics prior to auditions.
"Correctly" is a really dumb thing to say when talking about a new drummer. They need to add their own style.So far only Mangini has played the opening fill of Nightmare correctly.
Good point.
I think it would look extremely bad for whoever then got chosen 2nd. I mean, they'd know that they weren't DT's first pick.
Don't look into the editing too much. Just go by off of what you see the drummers play and what you hear out of the mouth of the guys.
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Don't look into the editing too much. Just go by off of what you see the drummers play and what you hear out of the mouth of the guys. Everything else is easily manipulated.
Not to mention all that lead-up with him saying "This isn't a gig to me" etc. The audition time was pretty similar, but there were all these extras, like DT wants you to get to know him.
It could also be that since it's the first audition, there might be a certain need to introduce the public to the whole process. Might also be some bad time management from the editors' part, who knows?
Don't look into the editing too much. Just go by off of what you see the drummers play and what you hear out of the mouth of the guys. Everything else is easily manipulated.
Exactly. My take so far on the video series: I think there is definitely some intentional misdirection to keep us guessing. But at the same time, I also think it is becoming fairly obvious who the final choice is. And that's fine. Aside from generating interest and buzz, which it is clearly doing, the video series has at least two other primary purposes that I think it is fullfilling very well with regard to the new drummer:
1. Getting the fans to understand enough about the process and the qualities of ALL the auditionees that even if they disagree with the final choice, they will understand why the band felt justified in making the decision they made. AND...
2. Allowing the fans to get to know the new drummer and seeing him portrayed in a very positive light, not only as an individual drummer, but as a part of the band.
I think it would look extremely bad for whoever then got chosen 2nd. I mean, they'd know that they weren't DT's first pick.
I agree. While I haven't seen anything to even suggest that DT picked someone and then settled for someone else, if that were somehow the case, they wouldn't make mention of it on the documentary.
So far only Mangini has played the opening fill of Nightmare correctly. And so far, even though I appreciate the
talent level of all the 'world class drummers' nobody is close to being on the same level as MP. That's my opinion
only and I'm sure many of you will disagree. Mike has a 'coolness' factor and a fluid style to his playing that made
very complicated things seems effortless...and while doing it, pointing at the audience, playing catch with sticks.
The more I watch the vids the more I realize how elite MP really is. He damn sure deserved every award he ever
won.
"Correctly" is a really dumb thing to say when talking about a new drummer. They need to add their own style.
(I don't care if JR said it isn't what they're looking for... it's better for them musically.)
I'm really looking forward to hearing Wildoer on Friday.I'm sure that song doesn't play to Peter's strenghts.
Reap, you underestimate Minnemann hardcore.
Not necessarily. Let's assume for a minute that they actually chose Marco and that Mike was their close second choice, that Marco turned them down or it somehow otherwise fell through, and they ultimately went with Mike as a result. I'm NOT saying that's what happened, but let's assume for argument's sake that that is what happened. If so, it WILL eventually come out. Stuff like that doesn't stay behind closed doors forever. If that's the case, they will be smart to portray the situation from the getgo that it was a VERY close decision between two immensely talented guys, and they made a very tough, subjective decision to make the first offer to a guy who ultimately did not end up being the one in the band. By portraying it that way, they are doing damage control and taking control of how the story ultimately gets presented and being able to show that they didn't "settle" at all.
Reap, you underestimate Minnemann hardcore.
Here's another interesting observation: It could just be intentional to throw us off, but...Mangini is the only one they've shown taking a group photo with the band. Just sayin'...Seeing Mangini so excited about being with the other guys, it wouldn't surprise me if it was HIM who asked to take the picture with the band, and the other's just didn't care about it :lol
Marco, may be a little more creative then Mike M. Jordan seemed to get off on him talking about about how he made him smile. I thought Ruddy would have had a better go of it. Once he said to the guys he likes to work on things for a while he was dead in the water. Marco appeared to have that creative spark and killer chops. Then again Mike M is/was already much more of an insider with the guys.
I may change my mind after seeing him, but I hope it is not Priester based on his corny use of gloves. To me it makes him look like she should be playing for Great White in 1987.
It seems weird that they didn't show that comment in the second episode if it was from Minnemann's audition.
Why? They already teased it at the end of Ep. 1. Given that they have several hours' worth of footage (3 hours of audition per drummer), they aren't going to include everything.
"Correctly" is a really dumb thing to say when talking about a new drummer. They need to add their own style.
(I don't care if JR said it isn't what they're looking for... it's better for them musically.)
Oh boy.
Yeah, there is a correct way to play it. Mike Portnoy wrote a drum part the drummer is expected to know. If you change the part and the band doesn't like it, you did it wrong. Why do they "need" to add their own style?
And how is this necessarily better for them musically? And why do you seem to know more about what's good for them musically than they do?
It's not even like I completely disagree with you. It feels like a bigger part of what the band's looking for than I'd like is simply the drummer's ability to imitate Portnoy. And yet here's what I can't deny: So far, Mangini's the only one of these guys I'd be comfortable with if I saw them live. Roddy and Donati just didn't get it. I don't personally like Minneman's energy in the context of the band, and something seemed missing from Lang (which is how I feel about his drumming in general). Mangini just nailed it. For instance, it sounds small, but the cymbal work in particular sticks out to me. MP's cymbal sound is a bit softer than many drummers and Mangini captured it perfectly.
Like a lot of people, I hope this whole thing causes DT to change a bit. But, when all's said and done, I want another DT album, not a DT+newdrummer album. Out of all these guys, Mangini's the only one who can deliver that.
And if that's what the band wants too, then it's their decision, not ours.
I suppose. It also helps that Mangini was the closest guy, being from Boston, to DT. It's not like the crew's gonna fly to Austria, Germany, Brazil, or wherever to capture the other guys.
I have to say, completely excluding the drumming aspects of things, I want Mangini the most. I just want to hug the guy in the first video when he's talking about how much he wants this.I think Petrucci's answer to Mangini was sort of an acceptance. I mean, I think he meant they don't want someone to just imitate Portnoy, and he agrees with Mangini on what he said. And then, in another matter, he felt comfortable with him behind the set.
There's something that I want to point out though... and that's this: they showed us Mangini's interview with the band, where he restates what he did to the camera earlier: I'm not here to, in any way, replace Mike Portnoy. Mangini is set on making that as clear to us and the band as possible, and after that, Petrucci explains that they're looking for somebody who is willing to step up to the plate and be that replacement. Now, Petrucci segues his sentence into saying "And I feel very comfortable with you playing.", so it's not left on any odd disposition, but still... that stood out to me as a possible, "Maybe Mike Mangini did not get the part, because he does not want to overtake Mike's role in the band's career."
Its down to either
Mangini
Minneman
Donati
Got to wait and see Priester and Wildoer, who are also pretty amazing. Priester is a great drummer and might be amazing as well.
I think you are underestimating his ability to be creative with DT to produce a DT album if he is chosen. That guy means business behind the kit. You think Portnoy is more serious than Minnemann? Portnoy was a clown behind the kit a lot of the time too.
Its down to either
Mangini
Minneman
Donati
Got to wait and see Priester and Wildoer, who are also pretty amazing. Priester is a great drummer and might be amazing as well.
Oh it's not Donati. He audibly messed up a bit on TDOE, and he seems to have wanted to completely re-write the drums to a bit of it, which the guys don't seem to like.
Reap, couldn't agree more. And, again, Mangini did inject plenty of his own personality, according to both the clips and what the guys said. But how he did it is all-important. He remained true to the original parts while adding some of his own individual accents to the parts rather than changing up the parts. That's a very important distinction.
Its down to either
Mangini
Minneman
Donati
Got to wait and see Priester and Wildoer, who are also pretty amazing. Priester is a great drummer and might be amazing as well.
Oh it's not Donati. He audibly messed up a bit on TDOE, and he seems to have wanted to completely re-write the drums to a bit of it, which the guys don't seem to like.
Because he had an idea, and felt it'd be cool, but it's not the time to do that. But, he did know how to play that part with ease.
Friday can't come any faster.
Its down to either
Mangini
Minneman
Donati
Got to wait and see Priester and Wildoer, who are also pretty amazing. Priester is a great drummer and might be amazing as well.
Oh it's not Donati. He audibly messed up a bit on TDOE, and he seems to have wanted to completely re-write the drums to a bit of it, which the guys don't seem to like.
i'm reading through Thomas Lang's tweets and found thiswow i'm surprised that my guesses were spot on :rollin
https://www.meinldrumfestival.com/
Meinl cymbals and percussion is proud to announce that the company's second international Meinl Drum Festival will take place at the Teatro Metropolitan in Mexico City on July 13, 2011
Norbert Saemann continues, "I'm currently working on putting the line up together. Meinl artists who have been invited include Ozzy Osbourne's Tommy Clufetos, Prince's drummer Chris Coleman, Derek Roddy, Thomas Lang and a few others. We will also invite some of our national Mexican endorsers of course."
in my list, Donati, Roddy and Lang are out.
Its down to either
Mangini
Minneman
Donati
Got to wait and see Priester and Wildoer, who are also pretty amazing. Priester is a great drummer and might be amazing as well.
Oh it's not Donati. He audibly messed up a bit on TDOE, and he seems to have wanted to completely re-write the drums to a bit of it, which the guys don't seem to like.
Yeah, definitely not him. My question is, if Donati had this new idea, why didn't he have it going into the auditions? You can't just make that sort of thing up on the fly like that--it's too risky. If there was really a part there that he wanted to change, he better have known exactly what he wanted to do going in. You don't stop the song--not just once, but twice, mind you--for that. Virgil's one hell of a drummer, and the DT guys even said they thought the part was cool, but it just strikes me as really odd that the guy prepared for weeks and then, all of a sudden, he gets this idea while he's actually auditioning. Bad decision.
Yeah, definitely not him. My question is, if Donati had this new idea, why didn't he have it going into the auditions? You can't just make that sort of thing up on the fly like that--it's too risky. If there was really a part there that he wanted to change, he better have known exactly what he wanted to do going in. You don't stop the song--not just once, but twice, mind you--for that. Virgil's one hell of a drummer, and the DT guys even said they thought the part was cool, but it just strikes me as really odd that the guy prepared for weeks and then, all of a sudden, he gets this idea while he's actually auditioning. Bad decision.
Friday can't come any faster.
Friday can't come any faster.
Do we know 100% to expect Part Three on Friday?
Is it just me or does anyone else feel the same about Mangini looking like a cheap porn actress on the first episode? I watched it twice again today and him trying to keep eye contact almost all the time with JP and his facial expressions are like "Oh John, :censored me"Wow, I think you're the one who comes along as cheap, even though you're joking. We don't usually see those kind of posts here.
I don't know why you're taking so much offence by this. As has been repeatedly pointed out, it's not just about adding your personality, because Mike and Marco did that and were praised for it - it's HOW the other drummers did it that didn't feel comfortable, and if the band don't feel comfortable playing songs that they've been playing for years, clearly the chemistry isn't there.Its down to either
Mangini
Minneman
Donati
Got to wait and see Priester and Wildoer, who are also pretty amazing. Priester is a great drummer and might be amazing as well.
Oh it's not Donati. He audibly messed up a bit on TDOE, and he seems to have wanted to completely re-write the drums to a bit of it, which the guys don't seem to like.
Because he had an idea, and felt it'd be cool, but it's not the time to do that. But, he did know how to play that part with ease.
Friday can't come any faster.
Yes, but there was another part he played just incorrectly, it was a syncopated part, nothing he could really re-write.
But yea, the part you mean just shows his natural tendencies, which is clearly under scrutiny by the other guys.
Friday can't come any faster.
Do we know 100% to expect Part Three on Friday?
Well if part 1 was released monday, and now pt.2 today, It would make sense to release it Friday. Gives time for others to watch it, and for Ultimate Guitar to put it in their news haha.
I don't know why you're taking so much offence by this. As has been repeatedly pointed out, it's not just about adding your personality, because Mike and Marco did that and were praised for it - it's HOW the other drummers did it that didn't feel comfortable, and if the band don't feel comfortable playing songs that they've been playing for years, clearly the chemistry isn't there.Its down to either
Mangini
Minneman
Donati
Got to wait and see Priester and Wildoer, who are also pretty amazing. Priester is a great drummer and might be amazing as well.
Oh it's not Donati. He audibly messed up a bit on TDOE, and he seems to have wanted to completely re-write the drums to a bit of it, which the guys don't seem to like.
Because he had an idea, and felt it'd be cool, but it's not the time to do that. But, he did know how to play that part with ease.
Friday can't come any faster.
Yes, but there was another part he played just incorrectly, it was a syncopated part, nothing he could really re-write.
But yea, the part you mean just shows his natural tendencies, which is clearly under scrutiny by the other guys.
Anyway, I absolutely loved Marco's audition, so would be completely happy with either him or Mike (even though I'm still assuming it's the latter).
Roddy, Donati and Lang were all very good, but had different strengths and weaknesses and definitely felt like something was missing, although I have to say I adored Donati's playing over the new riffs. Mike and Marco seem like the ones who have been fantastic all round.
If it does end up being between them, then I wouldn't be surprised if the decision came down to more personal/practical factors rather than the playing, because ultimately playing-wise both were pretty faultless.
Cool to hear. :tup
Regarding DTDTDT's point, when did mike quit there? If it was very recent then that would be a good smoking gun...
Regarding DTDTDT's point, when did mike quit there? If it was very recent then that would be a good smoking gun...
Well, as I've said, clearly he changed things up either so much, or in a way, that made it less comfortable for the band to play, which is an important hindrance when it's songs that they've been playing for years. They clearly don't have a problem with the drummers adding their own personality, because both MMs did it and the band loved them, but the existing songs need to feel right.Cool to hear. :tup
My issue was with their comments about Lang, mostly just JR. I didn't hear Lang actually re-writing parts, just playing them with his style, and JR kind of spoke out against that. That was my only issue, but then again I didn't hear a whole lot, so who knows what he changed.
Is it just me or does anyone else feel the same about Mangini looking like a cheap porn actress on the first episode? I watched it twice again today and him trying to keep eye contact almost all the time with JP and his facial expressions are like "Oh John, :censored me"Wow, I think you're the one who comes along as cheap, even though you're joking. We don't usually see those kind of posts here.
I'm really looking forward to hearing Wildoer on Friday.I'm sure that song doesn't play to Peter's strenghts.
Regarding DTDTDT's point, when did mike quit there? If it was very recent then that would be a good smoking gun...
well, I guess during the auditions he was a faculty (at least that's what shown in the first episode) and now he is not.
Oh good god. They turned down Lang because he didn't play the songs exactly as Portnoy did?I find that a bit unbelievable too. Especially as jamming is such an important part of DT live. maybe they just couldn't keep up.
This has already been discussed, and a number of us believe that Adami got the wrong impression with that comment.Oh good god. They turned down Lang because he didn't play the songs exactly as Portnoy did?I find that a bit unbelievable too. Especially as jamming is such an important part of DT live. maybe they just couldn't keep up.
Awesome !! I hope the new drummer will be Mike Mangini or Marco Minneman, they are absolutely great....just a question....when the third and final episode will be available?
Awesome !! I hope the new drummer will be Mike Mangini or Marco Minneman, they are absolutely great....just a question....when the third and final episode will be available?
Wait...so...your name is The Clairvoyant, and yet you still have to ask?
Oh good god. They turned down Lang because he didn't play the songs exactly as Portnoy did?I find that a bit unbelievable too. Especially as jamming is such an important part of DT live. maybe they just couldn't keep up.
Hey guys check this out.
here's the list of percussion faculty at Berklee college of music
https://www.berklee.edu/faculty/list/searchType/department?department=76
guess what, Mangini is not in the list anymore
and we all know what that means.
Part of me hopes roadrunner will rebecca black roll us on friday with the drummer vid with a video of the band playing the song... I'm not sure if I could take watching men be as emotional as they will be!
Regarding DTDTDT's point, when did mike quit there? If it was very recent then that would be a good smoking gun...
Is it weird that I'm hearing LaBrie sing Friday in my head, and that I really like it? :|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjlKPTfCpPc:rollin :rollin
Check it out. Episode 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjlKPTfCpPcEh. Could've been funnier. Should've use an actual Lars drum track.
Check it out. Episode 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjlKPTfCpPcEh. Could've been funnier. Should've use an actual Lars drum track.
Check it out. Episode 3.
I honestly want to understand why anyone thinks it isn't Mangini.Since it was never confirmed by the band, people are allowed to express their opinions lol. Sure, there are many hints about Mike Mangini floating around, but go figure.
Is it weird that I'm the only one here who just... didn't... like Donati's audition? It just didn't sound like DT to me at all.
Like, there's the riff that you see both Mangini and Donati play. And because of the way Mangini plays the riff, the riff itself sounds better and more interesting. Donati didn't give me that quality at all.
I agree with you. I think Roddy and Donati have been the weakest thus far.
I honestly want to understand why anyone thinks it isn't Mangini.Since it was never confirmed by the band, people are allowed to express their opinions lol.
I honestly want to understand why anyone thinks it isn't Mangini.Since it was never confirmed by the band, people are allowed to express their opinions lol.
Those aren't actual reasons.
Another thing that's weird - Anyone who says Lang and Donati are "too good" for DT. What's that mean? They were supposed to do specific things with the band, and both of them had trouble with it.
I honestly want to understand why anyone thinks it isn't Mangini.Since it was never confirmed by the band, people are allowed to express their opinions lol.
Those aren't actual reasons.
Another thing that's weird - Anyone who says Lang and Donati are "too good" for DT. What's that mean? They were supposed to do specific things with the band, and both of them had trouble with it.
You can judge by Jordan's speech that Marco is definately his first choice.
I didn't say these are actual reasons mostly because I agree with you and I think Mangini is the new drummer, but, I'm just saying some people may know another drummer better than Mangini and think he fits better musically/personally. Also, maybe some people suspect they're not showing all the important/key moments in the documentary. Again, go figure. We'll have a confirmation by Friday either way.I honestly want to understand why anyone thinks it isn't Mangini.Since it was never confirmed by the band, people are allowed to express their opinions lol.
Those aren't actual reasons.
Another thing that's weird - Anyone who says Lang and Donati are "too good" for DT. What's that mean? They were supposed to do specific things with the band, and both of them had trouble with it.
My guess is that Marco wasn't picked, but had such a great chemistery with JR that he was asked by Jordan to join his Mind Meld thing.You can judge by Jordan's speech that Marco is definately his first choice.
As he should be--like I said, Minnemann fits best with Rudess, and Mangini fits best with the rest of the band. I wonder if we'll see Jordan get outvoted in Episode 3. Doubt it, if the teaser's any indication.
In the teaser for Episode 3, the way that Petrucci talks and says, 'The choice was just clear.', how could it NOT be Mangini? He's the one they kept talking about again and again and again, so I mean...Do you know who did they refer to when James said "he was the most incredible, by far"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjlKPTfCpPc
Check it out. Episode 3.
Marco.In the teaser for Episode 3, the way that Petrucci talks and says, 'The choice was just clear.', how could it NOT be Mangini? He's the one they kept talking about again and again and again, so I mean...Do you know who did they refer to when James said "he was the most incredible, by far"?
In the teaser for Episode 3, the way that Petrucci talks and says, 'The choice was just clear.', how could it NOT be Mangini? He's the one they kept talking about again and again and again, so I mean...Do you know who did they refer to when James said "he was the most incredible, by far"?
Well, actually it can be counted against them if they want to be the DT drummer. All 7 are very talented, so what will distinguish them is very much the style.I honestly want to understand why anyone thinks it isn't Mangini.Since it was never confirmed by the band, people are allowed to express their opinions lol.
Those aren't actual reasons.
Another thing that's weird - Anyone who says Lang and Donati are "too good" for DT. What's that mean? They were supposed to do specific things with the band, and both of them had trouble with it.
Not being able to play a part is one thing. But having a different style (which was clearly the case with Lang) isn't something that can be counted against them.
In the teaser for Episode 3, the way that Petrucci talks and says, 'The choice was just clear.', how could it NOT be Mangini? He's the one they kept talking about again and again and again, so I mean...
Well, actually it can be counted against them if they want to be the DT drummer. All 7 are very talented, so what will distinguish them is very much the style.I honestly want to understand why anyone thinks it isn't Mangini.Since it was never confirmed by the band, people are allowed to express their opinions lol.
Those aren't actual reasons.
Another thing that's weird - Anyone who says Lang and Donati are "too good" for DT. What's that mean? They were supposed to do specific things with the band, and both of them had trouble with it.
Not being able to play a part is one thing. But having a different style (which was clearly the case with Lang) isn't something that can be counted against them.
Ah yeah definitely agreed. All of them are fantastic players, there's no doubt about that!Well, actually it can be counted against them if they want to be the DT drummer. All 7 are very talented, so what will distinguish them is very much the style.I honestly want to understand why anyone thinks it isn't Mangini.Since it was never confirmed by the band, people are allowed to express their opinions lol.
Those aren't actual reasons.
Another thing that's weird - Anyone who says Lang and Donati are "too good" for DT. What's that mean? They were supposed to do specific things with the band, and both of them had trouble with it.
Not being able to play a part is one thing. But having a different style (which was clearly the case with Lang) isn't something that can be counted against them.
hehe, I meant it can't be counted against them as far as how good of a drummer they are. I didn't mean from DTs point of view.
Not being able to play a part is one thing. But having a different style (which was clearly the case with Lang) isn't something that can be counted against them.
I didn't say these are actual reasons mostly because I agree with you and I think Mangini is the new drummer, but, I'm just saying some people may know another drummer better than Mangini and think he fits better musically/personally. Also, maybe some people suspect they're not showing all the important/key moments in the documentary. Again, go figure. We'll have a confirmation by Friday either way.I honestly want to understand why anyone thinks it isn't Mangini.Since it was never confirmed by the band, people are allowed to express their opinions lol.
Those aren't actual reasons.
Another thing that's weird - Anyone who says Lang and Donati are "too good" for DT. What's that mean? They were supposed to do specific things with the band, and both of them had trouble with it.
In the teaser for Episode 3, the way that Petrucci talks and says, 'The choice was just clear.', how could it NOT be Mangini? He's the one they kept talking about again and again and again, so I mean...
Well now, there are still two guys left to audition, you know! And like they said, Mangini went first and was one of the best, so he's the standard they've been comparing to most of the way. Already we've had one other guy who's in the discussion along with him. I think Mangini's far from a foregone conclusion, although he's a strong possibility.
I guess what I'm not getting though is that every other drummer is signed up to do something else, Mangini got the most screen time, and Mangini quit Berkelee for a reason that still hasn't been announced. If you hope it's Priester, great. If you think there's a possibility it's actually him, I don't understand you.Like I said, I also hope it's Mangini and I'm almost certain it's him. I'm just being open minded towards people who don't think it's him.
8:33-8:51.
WANT.
Not being able to play a part is one thing. But having a different style (which was clearly the case with Lang) isn't something that can be counted against them.
It wasn't just the audition. During the riff part he seemed a little lost. The thing that actually came together at the end sounded more like a jam than one of the weird test riffs.
I agree, the clips of them first trying it out don't really tell us much.Not being able to play a part is one thing. But having a different style (which was clearly the case with Lang) isn't something that can be counted against them.
It wasn't just the audition. During the riff part he seemed a little lost. The thing that actually came together at the end sounded more like a jam than one of the weird test riffs.
All of them were lost, it was the first time he had heard it. They all had to try a few things out. I think the only one who didn't get it was Roddy. I think the only one who got it really fast was probably Donati.
Really? I think Mangini got it very, very quickly too. He nailed TDOE, and he nailed that riff JR gave him after simply writing it down.Not being able to play a part is one thing. But having a different style (which was clearly the case with Lang) isn't something that can be counted against them.
It wasn't just the audition. During the riff part he seemed a little lost. The thing that actually came together at the end sounded more like a jam than one of the weird test riffs.
All of them were lost, it was the first time he had heard it. They all had to try a few things out. I think the only one who didn't get it was Roddy. I think the only one who got it really fast was probably Donati.
I agree, the clips of them first trying it out don't really tell us much.
Really? I think Mangini got it very, very quickly too. He nailed TDOE, and he nailed that riff JR gave him after simply writing it down.Not being able to play a part is one thing. But having a different style (which was clearly the case with Lang) isn't something that can be counted against them.
It wasn't just the audition. During the riff part he seemed a little lost. The thing that actually came together at the end sounded more like a jam than one of the weird test riffs.
All of them were lost, it was the first time he had heard it. They all had to try a few things out. I think the only one who didn't get it was Roddy. I think the only one who got it really fast was probably Donati.
No musician should be expected to pick up on things like that on the very first try, and I don't think DT expected it either.
Well, they looked happy and surprised, so I think that maybe it wasn't immediately, but it did look like he nailed it rather quickly.Really? I think Mangini got it very, very quickly too. He nailed TDOE, and he nailed that riff JR gave him after simply writing it down.Not being able to play a part is one thing. But having a different style (which was clearly the case with Lang) isn't something that can be counted against them.
It wasn't just the audition. During the riff part he seemed a little lost. The thing that actually came together at the end sounded more like a jam than one of the weird test riffs.
All of them were lost, it was the first time he had heard it. They all had to try a few things out. I think the only one who didn't get it was Roddy. I think the only one who got it really fast was probably Donati.
To be honest I am going to re-watch the mangini one, I've only seen it once and that was days ago. However it showed him writing it down then showed him playing it, we have no idea how many ideas he had to try. No musician should be expected to pick up on things like that on the very first try, and I don't think DT expected it either.
Yup despite all my bashing of the trailer, I've been watching these episodes like a little school girl.
All great drummers... I have a "feeling" It'll be Mike Mangini. Personally, I enjoyed each drummer. Who stood out to me? Lang's sound had balls, lots of balls. He just owned the drums in every way. Doniti was a great combo of technical prowess and balls. Mangini was basically in the pocket. Roddy was good, but they just kinda blew past him in the video. Minniman had great technical playing, but I feel he lacked that "Balls and chunk" DT's sound is known for in the drum area.
Well now, there are still two guys left to audition, you know! And like they said, Mangini went first and was one of the best, so he's the standard they've been comparing to most of the way. Already we've had one other guy who's in the discussion along with him. I think Mangini's far from a foregone conclusion, although he's a strong possibility.
How is it not a foregone conclusion? Every other drummer has something else to do.
I wonder if you would be able to hear the difference if you closed your eyes. Minnemann's drumming didn't sound any less aggressive than anyone else's. You are going by the visual of them playing.
Well now, there are still two guys left to audition, you know! And like they said, Mangini went first and was one of the best, so he's the standard they've been comparing to most of the way. Already we've had one other guy who's in the discussion along with him. I think Mangini's far from a foregone conclusion, although he's a strong possibility.
How is it not a foregone conclusion? Every other drummer has something else to do.
OK, maybe I've just never had it spelled out as to what Priester and Wildoer are up to. As far as I can tell, Peter has recently spent his days just watching this thread, which he could afford to do if...oh I don't know...he'd finished tracking drums on DT11 a couple of months ago :P :metal.
I've heard of other Minnemann projects, and honestly, until this week I was like 95% sure it was Mangini. But there's lots of speculation that there could've been misinformation and stuff, which is why I think it could still be Priester or Wildoer--do we have actual confirmed PROJECTS they're doing right now? If so, then obviously Mangini's a lock.
BTW, who is the old guy? DT's manager?
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BTW, who is the old guy? DT's manager?
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Just for the record, Lang's performance of The Dance of Eternity left me :omg: The guy's truly a powerhouse.
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I think he even played a little faster than Portnoy. Maybe that's what JR didn't like?
Really, I'd like to see the full auditions.
The misinformation thing blows my mind. The things peopole are willing to believe...
My guess is that Marco wasn't picked, but had such a great chemistery with JR that he was asked by Jordan to join his Mind Meld thing.
So that leads me to think that Mangini is the chosen one.
Yup despite all my bashing of the trailer, I've been watching these episodes like a little school girl.
All great drummers... I have a "feeling" It'll be Mike Mangini. Personally, I enjoyed each drummer. Who stood out to me? Lang's sound had balls, lots of balls. He just owned the drums in every way. Doniti was a great combo of technical prowess and balls. Mangini was basically in the pocket. Roddy was good, but they just kinda blew past him in the video. Minniman had great technical playing, but I feel he lacked that "Balls and chunk" DT's sound is known for in the drum area.
I wonder if you would be able to hear the difference if you closed your eyes. Minnemann's drumming didn't sound any less aggressive than anyone else's. You are going by the visual of them playing.
Yup despite all my bashing of the trailer, I've been watching these episodes like a little school girl.
All great drummers... I have a "feeling" It'll be Mike Mangini. Personally, I enjoyed each drummer. Who stood out to me? Lang's sound had balls, lots of balls. He just owned the drums in every way. Doniti was a great combo of technical prowess and balls. Mangini was basically in the pocket. Roddy was good, but they just kinda blew past him in the video. Minniman had great technical playing, but I feel he lacked that "Balls and chunk" DT's sound is known for in the drum area.
I wonder if you would be able to hear the difference if you closed your eyes. Minnemann's drumming didn't sound any less aggressive than anyone else's. You are going by the visual of them playing.
I agree Minnimann was great and was a real fun guy but I feel he lacked "balls".
Anyone take the actual mix into account regarding the drummers playing at different levels. Anyone notice Roddy's sound was drastically different than anyone elses? Just saying.
Awesome !! I hope the new drummer will be Mike Mangini or Marco Minneman, they are absolutely great....just a question....when the third and final episode will be available?
Wait...so...your name is The Clairvoyant, and yet you still have to ask?
Anyone take the actual mix into account regarding the drummers playing at different levels. Anyone notice Roddy's sound was drastically different than anyone elses? Just saying.
On Friday.
Anyone take the actual mix into account regarding the drummers playing at different levels. Anyone notice Roddy's sound was drastically different than anyone elses? Just saying.
https://replay.web.archive.org/20100527193941/https://www.berklee.edu/faculty/list/searchType/department?department=76
So, that's from May 2010.
EDIT: Lol:
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I rewatched Manginis clip again.
Man that guy just nailed everything. He doesn't have the style that I like in Lang, but crap man he just killed everything. He also came across as the coolest person who auditioned so far, and that says a lot since this documentary is portraying them all as the coolest guys alive.
We can definitely see a disagrement between James and Jordan on this interpretation thing of Lang. Also, is it my idea or is Lang playing TDOE a bit faster than on the record?
Yeah, I absolutely loved it too. Don' t know if the guys thought it was somehow arrogant though...We can definitely see a disagrement between James and Jordan on this interpretation thing of Lang. Also, is it my idea or is Lang playing TDOE a bit faster than on the record?
He did, and it was better.
We can definitely see a disagrement between James and Jordan on this interpretation thing of Lang. Also, is it my idea or is Lang playing TDOE a bit faster than on the record?
He did, and it was better.
here is another way to look at this:
A, mangini - if they do not wont any changes in their music/sound/style
B, minneman - if they are eager to do some "progress" again
i am praying for B but I thing the A will be the reality
(but the JP/jordan/marco project which was rumored is giving me chills)
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We can definitely see a disagrement between James and Jordan on this interpretation thing of Lang. Also, is it my idea or is Lang playing TDOE a bit faster than on the record?
He did, and it was better.
Yup, I actually loved everything Lang did in this episode... I'm kinda sad that some of the DT guys didn't like the way he approached the songs. :sadpanda:
Gotta get down on Friday. :friday:
I agree Minnimann was great and was a real fun guy but I feel he lacked "balls".
We can definitely see a disagrement between James and Jordan on this interpretation thing of Lang. Also, is it my idea or is Lang playing TDOE a bit faster than on the record?
He did, and it was better.
Yup, I actually loved everything Lang did in this episode... I'm kinda sad that some of the DT guys didn't like the way he approached the songs. :sadpanda:
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This whole documentary thing is just ridiculous, I'm sorry :lol:facepalm:
:lol
Where did Marco come from?
Why is he here?
:lolI absolutely broke out into laughter. Especially when he sang 'Where do we go when we die'
Where did Marco come from?
Why is he here?
If DT want to be progressive again...
This whole documentary thing is just ridiculous, I'm sorry :lolsometimes
If DT want to be progressive again...
:lol Uh...hate to break it to you, but I don't think they ever stopped.
If DT want to be progressive again...
:lol Uh...hate to break it to you, but I don't think they ever stopped.
Because progressive =/= metal.If DT want to be progressive again...
:lol Uh...hate to break it to you, but I don't think they ever stopped.
I dunno about that, I'd say they certainly had a much more metal phase in ToT and SC, and then 8vm and BC&SL are somewhere between the two.
Sorry if it's been mentioned but I'm not reading this entire thread.Definitely coicidence, unless you're suggesting that they made the decision and phoned Mangini on his cellphone immediately after his audition, before Roddy even turned up, but carried on with the rest of the auditions anyway. :P
JLB is wearing the same t-shirt in the clips where he says "welcome to the family" as he does at Mangini's audition. He doesn't wear the same one in the others.
Because progressive =/= metal.If DT want to be progressive again...
:lol Uh...hate to break it to you, but I don't think they ever stopped.
I dunno about that, I'd say they certainly had a much more metal phase in ToT and SC, and then 8vm and BC&SL are somewhere between the two.
Anyway I don't think DT have ever been particularly progressive, so nothing has changed really. But the comment that their approach will for some reason be vastly different between those two drummers is absurd.Sorry if it's been mentioned but I'm not reading this entire thread.Definitely coicidence, unless you're suggesting that they made the decision and phoned Mangini on his cellphone immediately after his audition, before Roddy even turned up, but carried on with the rest of the auditions anyway. :P
JLB is wearing the same t-shirt in the clips where he says "welcome to the family" as he does at Mangini's audition. He doesn't wear the same one in the others.
Sorry if it's been mentioned but I'm not reading this entire thread.Definitely coicidence, unless you're suggesting that they made the decision and phoned Mangini on his cellphone immediately after his audition, before Roddy even turned up, but carried on with the rest of the auditions anyway. :P
JLB is wearing the same t-shirt in the clips where he says "welcome to the family" as he does at Mangini's audition. He doesn't wear the same one in the others.
i totally missed the aquilles priester 'joke' around here, but the guy is nuts. he is like portnoy but at a higher level. very very good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym_-tZwhRL0
i totally missed the aquilles priester 'joke' around here, but the guy is nuts. he is like portnoy but at a higher level. very very good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym_-tZwhRL0
This whole documentary thing is just ridiculous, I'm sorry :lolsometimes
björk
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Because progressive =/= metal.If DT want to be progressive again...
:lol Uh...hate to break it to you, but I don't think they ever stopped.
I dunno about that, I'd say they certainly had a much more metal phase in ToT and SC, and then 8vm and BC&SL are somewhere between the two.
Anyway I don't think DT have ever been particularly progressive, so nothing has changed really. But the comment that their approach will for some reason be vastly different between those two drummers is absurd.Sorry if it's been mentioned but I'm not reading this entire thread.Definitely coicidence, unless you're suggesting that they made the decision and phoned Mangini on his cellphone immediately after his audition, before Roddy even turned up, but carried on with the rest of the auditions anyway. :P
JLB is wearing the same t-shirt in the clips where he says "welcome to the family" as he does at Mangini's audition. He doesn't wear the same one in the others.
i totally missed the aquilles priester 'joke' around here, but the guy is nuts. he is like portnoy but at a higher level. very very good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym_-tZwhRL0
I'm not sure what "joke" you are referring to.
But cool video. I'm looking forward to being blown away by his drumming on Friday.
Sorry if it's been mentioned but I'm not reading this entire thread.
JLB is wearing the same t-shirt in the clips where he says "welcome to the family" as he does at Mangini's audition. He doesn't wear the same one in the others.
I've changed my opinion many a time in this thread, but finally, this is what I think:
45% sure it is Peter Wildoer
45% sure it is Mike Mangini
10% sure it is Marco Minneman
i totally missed the aquilles priester 'joke' around here, but the guy is nuts. he is like portnoy but at a higher level. very very good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym_-tZwhRL0
I'm not sure what "joke" you are referring to.
But cool video. I'm looking forward to being blown away by his drumming on Friday.
I'm looking forward to hear how he handles all the multiple odd-time signature changes. Haven't been a lot of those in his videos. I really like some of his stuff, but a lot of his power metal stuff isn't my cup of tea...
i totally missed the aquilles priester 'joke' around here, but the guy is nuts. he is like portnoy but at a higher level. very very good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym_-tZwhRL0
I'm not sure what "joke" you are referring to.
But cool video. I'm looking forward to being blown away by his drumming on Friday.
I'm looking forward to hear how he handles all the multiple odd-time signature changes. Haven't been a lot of those in his videos. I really like some of his stuff, but a lot of his power metal stuff isn't my cup of tea...
In this video which was just quoted above (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym_-tZwhRL0), look around 6:50. It actually isn't very complex, but it isn't 4/4 at least.
I don't understand why Wildoer joining the forum means he joined the band. If that were the case, wouldn't he wait until it was revealed?
I've changed my opinion many a time in this thread, but finally, this is what I think:
45% sure it is Peter Wildoer
45% sure it is Mike Mangini
10% sure it is Marco Minneman
I don't understand why Wildoer joining the forum means he joined the band. If that were the case, wouldn't he wait until it was revealed?100% agree. I was thinking the same thing.
JLB said: He's the best... by far (regarding technique). Vote goes to: Minnemann
Where did that come from? I only remember Myung giving his verdict in the video. Also I wasn't really sure about Minneman's chemistry with the rest of the band, but we'll have to wait and see.
I've changed my opinion many a time in this thread, but finally, this is what I think:
45% sure it is Peter Wildoer
45% sure it is Mike Mangini
10% sure it is Marco Minneman
Not sure about Wildoer. He answered one of the comments on his youtube video like this:
"Thanks a lot! Very glad you enjoy the clip and my playing. :-) Ha ha, yeah Dream Theater would have been cool...
Cheers,
Peter"
impressions after re-watching the first two episodes:
Mike Mangini - very likely to be the guy. not only is he highly skilled, his personality seemed to mesh the best with the other guys.
Derek Roddy - was an odd choice for an audition. looked out of sync from what they showed us. didn't seem to have the chops to play with the rest of the band, but again it was only a few minutes to judge him.
Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me). Held his own, but again I didn't see the chemistry with the rest like I did with Mangini.
Virgil Donati - same as Lang, minus the Jordan put down. For some reason I could see "artistic differences" becoming an issue down the road.
Marco Minnemann - he was the most entertaining for sure. I can see why the praise was given out, but I don't think his personality will fit with the rest in the long run. I can see him working side projects with the guys and that could be amazing.
With two auditions left, I don't see any reason to think it won't be Mangini. He just seemed to fit the bands personality the best.
I've changed my opinion many a time in this thread, but finally, this is what I think:
45% sure it is Peter Wildoer
45% sure it is Mike Mangini
10% sure it is Marco Minneman
Not sure about Wildoer. He answered one of the comments on his youtube video like this:
"Thanks a lot! Very glad you enjoy the clip and my playing. :-) Ha ha, yeah Dream Theater would have been cool...
Cheers,
Peter"
Peter also purportedly said that he was not amongst those picked to audition.
I was in the same situation Cody, but I gave in and used my boss' laptop to stream it on. Hope he doesn't mind :DYeah but I'm in the hospital and my boss is obviously home now sleeping sweet.... I write now from not even a PC...I have a terminal which is one of 88 same terminals in my hospital...they are connected and we used them for checking info about patients.... Although some of patients have their own laptops...but I want to watch it in calm, in home. ;)
Just give them something nice to sleep, then borrow their laptops. No one ever needs to know :D:biggrin:Wildoer will know... ;) he's lurking all the time ::) he will came in across the Baltic Sea ino my country and touch my with his drumstick and then... I die... :D
Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me). Held his own, but again I didn't see the chemistry with the rest like I did with Mangini.
Lang didn't get near enough credit. He was fucking awesome.James talked highly of him, and I think he deserved it.
Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
I found this strange too, especially with all the criticism Jordan gets from "changing" the keyboard parts in the older DT songs. Just going off the videos, Lang didn't seem to change that much, and I really liked his audition. But of course there was like 2 minutes of the audition, so it's hard to say for sure.
Where did that come from? I only remember Myung giving his verdict in the video. Also I wasn't really sure about Minneman's chemistry with the rest of the band, but we'll have to wait and see.
Didn't Jordan say he thought the chemistry was amazing and he couldn't stop smiling?
I think Mangini resembles MP a lot in terms of mannerisms from what I've seen. He's also a computer scientist who used to program rockets, so do want.
Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
I found this strange too, especially with all the criticism Jordan gets from "changing" the keyboard parts in the older DT songs. Just going off the videos, Lang didn't seem to change that much, and I really liked his audition. But of course there was like 2 minutes of the audition, so it's hard to say for sure.
I think that changing the way a drum part is played has a greater effect on the overall playing of the band vs a variation on keyboard melodies.
Maybe that's what rubbed JR the wrong way, That Lang was changing the overall feel of the song rather than just accenting certain parts with in his own style.
Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
I found this strange too, especially with all the criticism Jordan gets from "changing" the keyboard parts in the older DT songs. Just going off the videos, Lang didn't seem to change that much, and I really liked his audition. But of course there was like 2 minutes of the audition, so it's hard to say for sure.
Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
I found this strange too, especially with all the criticism Jordan gets from "changing" the keyboard parts in the older DT songs. Just going off the videos, Lang didn't seem to change that much, and I really liked his audition. But of course there was like 2 minutes of the audition, so it's hard to say for sure.
Again, it's one thing to change parts when you're a member of the band; it's another thing entirely to change parts when you're auditioning. It's like interviewing for a job. You don't go in to the interview and start telling the company what they're doing wrong. You wait until you get the job before trying to make changes
That isn't comparable at all....Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
I found this strange too, especially with all the criticism Jordan gets from "changing" the keyboard parts in the older DT songs. Just going off the videos, Lang didn't seem to change that much, and I really liked his audition. But of course there was like 2 minutes of the audition, so it's hard to say for sure.
Again, it's one thing to change parts when you're a member of the band; it's another thing entirely to change parts when you're auditioning. It's like interviewing for a job. You don't go in to the interview and start telling the company what they're doing wrong. You wait until you get the job before trying to make changes
Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
I found this strange too, especially with all the criticism Jordan gets from "changing" the keyboard parts in the older DT songs. Just going off the videos, Lang didn't seem to change that much, and I really liked his audition. But of course there was like 2 minutes of the audition, so it's hard to say for sure.
I think that changing the way a drum part is played has a greater effect on the overall playing of the band vs a variation on keyboard melodies.
Maybe that's what rubbed JR the wrong way, That Lang was changing the overall feel of the song rather than just accenting certain parts with in his own style.
Mangini played with some accentuated accents and JR just loved it because it felt right and that it felt like Mangini was clearly listening to the other individual musicians. Mike Mangini is a genius. I think he clearly studied the songs to the best of his ability, thought hard about what would be best for Dream Theater, understood the audition and killed it. He's the man! And when JP said they could have went on stage with him that night with no prep at all and play a full show, that says something.
That isn't comparable at all....Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
I found this strange too, especially with all the criticism Jordan gets from "changing" the keyboard parts in the older DT songs. Just going off the videos, Lang didn't seem to change that much, and I really liked his audition. But of course there was like 2 minutes of the audition, so it's hard to say for sure.
Again, it's one thing to change parts when you're a member of the band; it's another thing entirely to change parts when you're auditioning. It's like interviewing for a job. You don't go in to the interview and start telling the company what they're doing wrong. You wait until you get the job before trying to make changes
That isn't comparable at all....Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
I found this strange too, especially with all the criticism Jordan gets from "changing" the keyboard parts in the older DT songs. Just going off the videos, Lang didn't seem to change that much, and I really liked his audition. But of course there was like 2 minutes of the audition, so it's hard to say for sure.
Again, it's one thing to change parts when you're a member of the band; it's another thing entirely to change parts when you're auditioning. It's like interviewing for a job. You don't go in to the interview and start telling the company what they're doing wrong. You wait until you get the job before trying to make changes
That isn't comparable at all....Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
I found this strange too, especially with all the criticism Jordan gets from "changing" the keyboard parts in the older DT songs. Just going off the videos, Lang didn't seem to change that much, and I really liked his audition. But of course there was like 2 minutes of the audition, so it's hard to say for sure.
Again, it's one thing to change parts when you're a member of the band; it's another thing entirely to change parts when you're auditioning. It's like interviewing for a job. You don't go in to the interview and start telling the company what they're doing wrong. You wait until you get the job before trying to make changes
Actually, it's almost exactly the same thing for multiple reasons (just think of a white collar job vs. this; the analogy is pretty good).
That isn't comparable at all....Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
I found this strange too, especially with all the criticism Jordan gets from "changing" the keyboard parts in the older DT songs. Just going off the videos, Lang didn't seem to change that much, and I really liked his audition. But of course there was like 2 minutes of the audition, so it's hard to say for sure.
Again, it's one thing to change parts when you're a member of the band; it's another thing entirely to change parts when you're auditioning. It's like interviewing for a job. You don't go in to the interview and start telling the company what they're doing wrong. You wait until you get the job before trying to make changes
Actually, it's almost exactly the same thing for multiple reasons (just think of a white collar job vs. this; the analogy is pretty good).
Actually, it isn't. He was not in any way telling them his interpretation was "superior" to theirs, or that he didn't like the way the song was written. He was being creative with it and adding his own touches.
Did he go a little too far for their liking? Possibly, but that's another matter entirely. It's *nothing* like "going into an interview and telling the company what they're doing wrong". Terrible analogy.
-J
This is what I was going to say, but didn't feel like actually typing out myself.That isn't comparable at all....Thomas Lang - impressive. didn't hesitate to add his own touch to the audition, unfortunately that rubbed Jordan the wrong way (which bothered me).
I found this strange too, especially with all the criticism Jordan gets from "changing" the keyboard parts in the older DT songs. Just going off the videos, Lang didn't seem to change that much, and I really liked his audition. But of course there was like 2 minutes of the audition, so it's hard to say for sure.
Again, it's one thing to change parts when you're a member of the band; it's another thing entirely to change parts when you're auditioning. It's like interviewing for a job. You don't go in to the interview and start telling the company what they're doing wrong. You wait until you get the job before trying to make changes
Actually, it's almost exactly the same thing for multiple reasons (just think of a white collar job vs. this; the analogy is pretty good).
Actually, it isn't. He was not in any way telling them his interpretation was "superior" to theirs, or that he didn't like the way the song was written. He was being creative with it and adding his own touches.
Did he go a little too far for their liking? Possibly, but that's another matter entirely. It's *nothing* like "going into an interview and telling the company what they're doing wrong". Terrible analogy.
-J
I just got to watch the video. Oh wow, what impressive stuff. I can't wait for Episode 3!
lol welcome to the internetI just got to watch the video. Oh wow, what impressive stuff. I can't wait for Episode 3!
Thank you Hef! Everyone's been hyper-analyzing these episodes, and your comment is quite refreshing.
:hefdaddy
You're welcome, although I did nothing special.I just got to watch the video. Oh wow, what impressive stuff. I can't wait for Episode 3!
Thank you Hef! Everyone's been hyper-analyzing these episodes, and your comment is quite refreshing.
:hefdaddy
I really like that "audition riff" JR came up with.
Well, your post was the first "Very nice stuff, can't wait to see more!" in like 11 pages, so yeah. I found it enjoyable compared to everyone else's theories/guesses/deductive work.You're welcome, although I did nothing special.I just got to watch the video. Oh wow, what impressive stuff. I can't wait for Episode 3!
Thank you Hef! Everyone's been hyper-analyzing these episodes, and your comment is quite refreshing.
:hefdaddy
I really like that "audition riff" JR came up with.
I liked the way they played it with Lang. But the other times it really just felt like the typical riff that JP/JR have been soloing over for a few albums now. Compare it to the main solo riff in ANTR, very similar feel.
Lang clearly made some mistakes in his interpretation that made the band feel rather uncomfortable playing with him and actually lose the beat at some point (Petrucci says that and Thomas admits it twice in the video). What's wrong with Jordan pointing that out? DT wasn't supposed to adapt to Lang's playing but the other way around. His interpretation was flawed because the things he added were not good.
And of course, the drummer changing things is something completely different from the keyboard player adding some stuff. Saying "JR changes things so he cannot criticize the drummers for doing that" is nonsense.
Mangini did not impress me. Way too dramatic before audition, way too animated during, and too cocky afterward.
Agreed with dongringo. Actually, taking into account that all those 7 guys are phenomenal drummers, the factor that made almost all the difference could have been the attitude. And Mangini beats the hell out of the other guys in that area. He made it very clear that he wanted to be DT's drummer with a passion.
Come on what? There's nothing silly about it, it shows all the drummers in a good light and gives people less to bitch about once the drummer is announced, which makes it a brilliant promotional tool. The number of people who disliked Mangini from only seeing YouTube view who have now changed their mind showcases this fact.This whole documentary thing is just ridiculous, I'm sorry :lolsometimes
björk
is just
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I mean, the documentary in itself is alright, but using it as a means to announce the drummer just seems silly to me. They're a band, just say who it is and move on. I know a bit of it may be roadrunner's doing, but come on.
The only thing I've not liked about this videos so far is the God damn narration. It's so cheesy :lol
I really like that "audition riff" JR came up with.
I liked the way they played it with Lang. But the other times it really just felt like the typical riff that JP/JR have been soloing over for a few albums now. Compare it to the main solo riff in ANTR, very similar feel.
I really like that "audition riff" JR came up with.
I liked the way they played it with Lang. But the other times it really just felt like the typical riff that JP/JR have been soloing over for a few albums now. Compare it to the main solo riff in ANTR, very similar feel.
I don't think it's the same. They had several riffs, and the one showed with Lang isn't showed with any of the other drummers.
id love for the final decision to fall upon john myung. therefore everyone's mind would be blown. because 'john myung talked!' comments are pretty popular around the net
id love for the final decision to fall upon john myung. therefore everyone's mind would be blown. because 'john myung talked!' comments are pretty popular around the net
Actually, together with the drummer he forms the rhythm section, so it really comes down a lot to who JM feels the most comfortable with.
id love for the final decision to fall upon john myung. therefore everyone's mind would be blown. because 'john myung talked!' comments are pretty popular around the net
Actually, together with the drummer he forms the rhythm section, so it really comes down a lot to who JM feels the most comfortable with.
I really like that "audition riff" JR came up with.
I liked the way they played it with Lang. But the other times it really just felt like the typical riff that JP/JR have been soloing over for a few albums now. Compare it to the main solo riff in ANTR, very similar feel.
I don't think it's the same. They had several riffs, and the one showed with Lang isn't showed with any of the other drummers.
IIRC they said they had three. There was the one that Jordan prepared, the one that sounded like the solo riff in ANTR (:metal), and another one, I guess.
Pretty sure all the drummers will have played all the riffs.I really like that "audition riff" JR came up with.
I liked the way they played it with Lang. But the other times it really just felt like the typical riff that JP/JR have been soloing over for a few albums now. Compare it to the main solo riff in ANTR, very similar feel.
I don't think it's the same. They had several riffs, and the one showed with Lang isn't showed with any of the other drummers.
IIRC they said they had three. There was the one that Jordan prepared, the one that sounded like the solo riff in ANTR (:metal), and another one, I guess.
I went back and checked.
One riff is the one played by Mangini and Donati (the heavy), another one is played by Roddy and Minnemann (which Roddy had huge problems with, but Minnemann nailed), and the third the epic riff showed with Lang with the epic strings from JR. :metal
Pretty sure all the drummers will have played all the riffs.I really like that "audition riff" JR came up with.
I liked the way they played it with Lang. But the other times it really just felt like the typical riff that JP/JR have been soloing over for a few albums now. Compare it to the main solo riff in ANTR, very similar feel.
I don't think it's the same. They had several riffs, and the one showed with Lang isn't showed with any of the other drummers.
IIRC they said they had three. There was the one that Jordan prepared, the one that sounded like the solo riff in ANTR (:metal), and another one, I guess.
I went back and checked.
One riff is the one played by Mangini and Donati (the heavy), another one is played by Roddy and Minnemann (which Roddy had huge problems with, but Minnemann nailed), and the third the epic riff showed with Lang with the epic strings from JR. :metal
The MM vs. MM debate is intense. I have sort of dropped the my preconceived belief that Mangini is the one, just so it adds suspense. It seems interesting how the band is kind of split on these two. LaBrie seems to be really impressed with Minnemann, Petrucci seems to still be keen on Mangini, and it is too hard to tell with Rudess/Myung.
This audition process has given me a lot more respect for DT and for MP. I mean...wow, only two drummers out of five didn't blow it at at least one point. I am not saying they are bad drummers, but I think it speaks volumes of DT's musicality.
Also, one thing was interesting that I picked up on. For most of the auditions, the process is Songs --> Jam --> Riffs, but it seems mixed up for a lot of them. For example, Donati said that they did the riffs after the songs.
And did you guys notice how Roddy was the only guy they didn't show a sit-down chat with? I wonder if they even gave it to him, or if they knew right off the bat that he wasn't the one.
Two of those prepared riffs were brilliant, I'd love to hear some of that epicness on the new album :metal :metal
Two of those prepared riffs were brilliant, I'd love to hear some of that epicness on the new album :metal :metal
Not surprised that DT is gravitating toward a drummer to play the MP parts spotless. JP and JR are note-by-note perfectionists, and they are just simply used to hearing a song played a certain way (about perfect every time). If the drum parts are not spot on, it may feel uncomfortable and affect their own performances.I don't think they expect it spotless at all, but as others have said, the drums are key to how a song feels. If it feels wrong then it will be uncomfortable to play. Nothing wrong with changing things up, but the songs that already exist still need to feel right.
Conspiracy theory I want to start. What if after the auditions JLB, JR, and JM wanted Minneman, but JP made the executive decision to go with Magini?Does anyone remember the guy a while ago telling us Dream Theater wanted to choose Marco, but they had to go with Mangini instead because Marco didn't want to give up on some plans he had with other bands in January and February? Watching the documentary, that seems very likely to me.
Conspiracy theory I want to start. What if after the auditions JLB, JR, and JM wanted Minneman, but JP made the executive decision to go with Magini?Does anyone remember the guy a while ago telling us Dream Theater wanted to choose Marco, but they had to go with Mangini instead because Marco didn't want to give up on some plans he had with other bands in January and February? Watching the documentary, that seems very likely to me.
The more i see the videos the more i think LaBrie has the best understanding for drummers abilities.
It was just like JP (or was it JR...I can't recall) said, it'll be easier for everyone in the long run if it feels like how they played them with MP, at least for now.That part is very important. Obviously if they change things up a bit later on, that could be really cool, but seeing as they need to start playing gigs and festivals very soon, they need to feel comfortable right from the off.
Mangini holds world speed records (or at least did a few years ago). He can play faster with one hand than most people can with two. On that video, there's a spot in the beginning of The Dance Of Eternity - a fast triplet riff that Portnoy needed two hands to play. Mangini did it one handed without even looking.
On another music forum I go to, a member (hes a member here too but he doesn't post much) who is a drummer posted this, I was quite amazed by this.Mangini holds world speed records (or at least did a few years ago). He can play faster with one hand than most people can with two. On that video, there's a spot in the beginning of The Dance Of Eternity - a fast triplet riff that Portnoy needed two hands to play. Mangini did it one handed without even looking.
I'm really not sure why anyone would be upset that DT wasn't too thrilled about a couple of the drummers "interpreting" the songs. It's one thing for a new member to change a few things, but it's something else entirely for someone who isn't yet a member to come in to the audition and say, "hey, this is better than the way you've always done it."
They were given those songs to learn for a reason - yes, to play them note for note with feeling. If they didn't do that, then it is completely understandable that the band members would be nonplussed.
Mangini holds world speed records (or at least did a few years ago). He can play faster with one hand than most people can with two. On that video, there's a spot in the beginning of The Dance Of Eternity - a fast triplet riff that Portnoy needed two hands to play. Mangini did it one handed without even looking.
I'm really not sure why anyone would be upset that DT wasn't too thrilled about a couple of the drummers "interpreting" the songs.
Sure, ariich.Well, either it's not him, or he's an imbecile. :lol
Sure.
Sure.Sure, ariich.Well, either it's not him, or he's an imbecile. :lol
Sure.
Conspiracy theory I want to start. What if after the auditions JLB, JR, and JM wanted Minneman, but JP made the executive decision to go with Magini?Does anyone remember the guy a while ago telling us Dream Theater wanted to choose Marco, but they had to go with Mangini instead because Marco didn't want to give up on some plans he had with other bands in January and February? Watching the documentary, that seems very likely to me.
Conspiracy theory I want to start. What if after the auditions JLB, JR, and JM wanted Minneman, but JP made the executive decision to go with Magini?Does anyone remember the guy a while ago telling us Dream Theater wanted to choose Marco, but they had to go with Mangini instead because Marco didn't want to give up on some plans he had with other bands in January and February? Watching the documentary, that seems very likely to me.
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One part of the equation that isnt really shown in the video's is the actual interview process. Getting to really know these guys, what they are about,their thought process. I am sure that just as important as the actual drumming. How do they interact with the other band members? Are they willing or able to commit to DT's scheduling and way of doing things? How do they best work within the band as far as writing/contributing to the music? Do they see themselves staying in the band for the rest of their career or do they have other future endevours which may get in the way of their long term commitment? If the drumming ability is close, the interviews will be the deciding factor.
The more i see the videos the more i think LaBrie has the best understanding for drummers abilities.Wasn't James a drummer?
On another music forum I go to, a member (hes a member here too but he doesn't post much) who is a drummer posted this, I was quite amazed by this.Didn't Marco do the same thing with one hand?Mangini holds world speed records (or at least did a few years ago). He can play faster with one hand than most people can with two. On that video, there's a spot in the beginning of The Dance Of Eternity - a fast triplet riff that Portnoy needed two hands to play. Mangini did it one handed without even looking.
I'm really not sure why anyone would be upset that DT wasn't too thrilled about a couple of the drummers "interpreting" the songs.
Two reasons. One more valid than the other:
- While we can't say what's best for DT, it's very hard to argue that it's healthy musically to be down on a drummer for not playing the songs exactly the same. However, Rudess loved Minnemann who played with the material a bit and specifically commented on how he liked Mangini's flair, so it's not a dislike toward all improvisation/interpretation.
- A lot of people don't like how MP started his drum parts later in his DT career, and want the new drummer to be an active catalyst for change in DT's sound. They project what they want from the band (subjective opinion) into what they think the band should do (also subjective, but confused for objective fact). So when they see Thomas Lang or Virgil Donati or whoever do something they like, that somehow gets turned into what DT should have to do in order to be a good band in some sort of cosmic sense.
If he did - they didn't show it (or i really wasn't watching...). I remember seeing that yesterday and watched the second episode 2-3 times just to see that moment but never found it. Then I tried the Mangini video and got it right away - a small thing, but very awesome to watch.On another music forum I go to, a member (hes a member here too but he doesn't post much) who is a drummer posted this, I was quite amazed by this.Didn't Marco do the same thing with one hand?Mangini holds world speed records (or at least did a few years ago). He can play faster with one hand than most people can with two. On that video, there's a spot in the beginning of The Dance Of Eternity - a fast triplet riff that Portnoy needed two hands to play. Mangini did it one handed without even looking.
Woah, thats awesome!Mangini holds world speed records (or at least did a few years ago). He can play faster with one hand than most people can with two. On that video, there's a spot in the beginning of The Dance Of Eternity - a fast triplet riff that Portnoy needed two hands to play. Mangini did it one handed without even looking.
Derek Roddy did actually do that too.
I'm just interested, does anyone know the order of drummers technically (skill-wise). I know they are all incredible and can play the parts comfortably, but I'm just interested.
Woah, thats awesome!Mangini holds world speed records (or at least did a few years ago). He can play faster with one hand than most people can with two. On that video, there's a spot in the beginning of The Dance Of Eternity - a fast triplet riff that Portnoy needed two hands to play. Mangini did it one handed without even looking.
Derek Roddy did actually do that too.
And can anyone answer this?I'm just interested, does anyone know the order of drummers technically (skill-wise). I know they are all incredible and can play the parts comfortably, but I'm just interested.
Well that's just a matter of taste.Mine would be
To me it's prolly like this:
Virgil Donati
Marco Minnemann
Mike Mangini
Thomas Lang
Peter Wildoer
Derek Roddy
Aquiles Priester
Well that's just a matter of taste.Mine would be
To me it's prolly like this:
Virgil Donati
Marco Minnemann
Mike Mangini
Thomas Lang
Peter Wildoer
Derek Roddy
Aquiles Priester
Virgil Donati
Marco Minnemann
Thomas Lang
Peter Wildoer
Mike Mangini
Derek Roddy
Aquiles Priester
How can anybody rate Peter Wildoer or Aquiles Priester is you haven't seen them play with DT yet? I understand you can rate them with what you've seen them with other bands but maybe we should just rate who we've seen so far.
The MM vs. MM debate is intense. I have sort of dropped the my preconceived belief that Mangini is the one, just so it adds suspense. It seems interesting how the band is kind of split on these two. LaBrie seems to be really impressed with Minnemann, Petrucci seems to still be keen on Mangini, and it is too hard to tell with Rudess/Myung.
That's what bugs me about all the hate for Priester, actually. It's as if people assume he can't play certain things just because he hasn't played them in his career.
That's what bugs me about all the hate for Priester, actually. It's as if people assume he can't play certain things just because he hasn't played them in his career. That's like concluding JLB doesn't have above-average vocal range based on his last few albums, or something. Really, except for the extreme metal drummers (Marco, Wildoer, and Roddy), these guys don't push themselves to their limits that often. Mangini I guess did for the world records though. But they're all plenty technical.
Conspiracy theory I want to start. What if after the auditions JLB, JR, and JM wanted Minneman, but JP made the executive decision to go with Magini?Does anyone remember the guy a while ago telling us Dream Theater wanted to choose Marco, but they had to go with Mangini instead because Marco didn't want to give up on some plans he had with other bands in January and February? Watching the documentary, that seems very likely to me.
Long time lurker, first time poster.
One part of the equation that isnt really shown in the video's is the actual interview process. Getting to really know these guys, what they are about,their thought process. I am sure that just as important as the actual drumming. How do they interact with the other band members? Are they willing or able to commit to DT's scheduling and way of doing things? How do they best work within the band as far as writing/contributing to the music? Do they see themselves staying in the band for the rest of their career or do they have other future endevours which may get in the way of their long term commitment? If the drumming ability is close, the interviews will be the deciding factor.
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Really enjoying the videos so far.
Before seeing the documentary I wasn't a big fan of Mangini, none of his videos really impressed me. Seeing him on the documentary though really did impress me, he fit it, I like his personality and I could definitely see him being in the band.
I always wanted Lang to be the drummer and his renditions of the songs were my favorite. He sounded great and he chops were all there but it didn't seem like he hit it off with the guys which is a shame because he is truly a monster.
Can't wait to see the other two, and it's very awesome to have Peter posting here, I eagerly await reading the diary about the whole process.
JR mentioned that they were looking for someone who "fit like a glove." So far from the auditions, Mangini is the only one who really seems to fit that tight with the band. Minneman is a monster, but I'm just not sure about the fit after seeing Mangini's passion and understanding of this "gig."
everyone just read the post on Derek's forum from Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:42 am
hmm, interesting
he posts a few times in other pages, but this one stood out to me...
https://www.derekroddy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=19051&start=120 (https://www.derekroddy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=19051&start=120)
his comment about outside projects makes no sense. HELLO!!! jelly jam, OSI, LTE, etc etc...
@People who keep saying "look at Derek's forum!" Please post a link to the specific post (or at least the specific thread) you want us to look at.didnt want to violate some BS rule... but looks like more freedom here than at MP.com
@People who keep saying "look at Derek's forum!" Please post a link to the specific post (or at least the specific thread) you want us to look at.didnt want to violate some BS rule... but looks like more freedom here than at MP.com
;)
Any news on when the next episode is to be aired?
Any news on when the next episode is to be aired?
A couple of points:
- Those project always had to take the backseat against DT efforts, they were only happening when there was DT downtime
- A new drummer would have to "shut up and play" for a good amount of time. If the new drummer appeared in a side project a year after joining DT, the rumor mills would go spinning like crazy.
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Will somebody PM me when they make a decision? Thanks.
Will somebody PM me when they make a decision? Thanks.
Hey I just made the decision to hit the bathroom, thought I'd let you know.
Regards.
Any news on when the next episode is to be aired?
It's easy to say " Oh, I didn't want the job anyway " after you didn't get it.
If you didn't want the job in the first place, don't audition.
Another thing as well.....some of the other drummers are pissed at the way they were presented in this Doc.....for example you got the feeling that Marco and Thomas WANTED that gig.....I know that they might have taken it but, they weren't going to cry over not getting it.
In fact, one of them told me that it would destroy everything they loved about what they are doing with music. They couldn't do outside projects, HAD TO be there for DT 100% of the time, etc.....that's not something a drummer like Marco is wanting to do.....you know.
Would he have taken it?.....I can't say that he would have....knowing him the way I do.
Roddy Roddy Roddy Roddy.Well said.
He's talking like the documentary portraying Marco and Lang as if they actually WANTED the gig was a bad thing. Anyone who didn't want it shouldn't have been there. Nobody gives a shit about his snakes.
Roddy Roddy Roddy Roddy.LMFAO at snakes u mad.
He's talking like the documentary portraying Marco and Lang as if they actually WANTED the gig was a bad thing. Anyone who didn't want it shouldn't have been there. Nobody gives a shit about his snakes.
Yeah, I'm not sure why I suddenly got so defensive but a lot of Roddy's comments on his forum just seem like examples of the mantra that some things are best left unsaid. Just seemed in poor taste.
Then mr. Roddy, you shouldn´t audition.He answered this and, honestly, it's a valid response.
Then mr. Roddy, you shouldn´t audition.He answered this and, honestly, it's a valid response.
Derek Roddy:
"Another thing that needs to be considered in my case is.....
I auditioned for DT because I was asked.......not because I wanted to be the new DT drummer."
Then mr. Roddy, you shouldn´t audition.
Drummer that wanted badly to be in the band is now with them :hefdaddy
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I can see truth in both statements. Sure, he plain flunked the audition the way it looked. But, I can also see how DT asked the involved parties and that several of them simply showed up because a) they were asked nicely and b) they were considering the option seriously enough to be foolish to let a good opportunity pass by.Yeah that's one thing I don't get - Roddy is implying that the vid makes it look like Marco and Thomas really wanted the position, but that goes against what pretty much all of us are saying, that Mike was the only one really keen on it. So I really don't know what he is going on about.
It seems Mangini was the only one who really wanted to part of a band outfit, whereas the others might have said "you know, I will be in the band, but you can't completely deny my other aspects either". And to take JP's comment in the first episode, "the new drummer needs to be an undeniable person". Meaning, the drummer can't be seen doing stuff outside DT.
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I feel like Mangini is too much like Portnoy in a way, and won't add a new dimension to the band whereas Minnemann could.
I feel like Mangini is too much like Portnoy in a way, and won't add a new dimension to the band whereas Minnemann could.
I feel like Mangini is too much like Portnoy in a way, and won't add a new dimension to the band whereas Minnemann could.
I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement.
:lolI feel like Mangini is too much like Portnoy in a way, and won't add a new dimension to the band whereas Minnemann could.
That is my exact same feeling actually.I feel like Mangini is too much like Portnoy in a way, and won't add a new dimension to the band whereas Minnemann could.
I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement.
Ninja'd disagreement! :lol
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Derek Roddy:
"Another thing that needs to be considered in my case is.....
I auditioned for DT because I was asked.......not because I wanted to be the new DT drummer."
Then mr. Roddy, you shouldn´t audition.
Drummer that wanted badly to be in the band is now with them :hefdaddy
Yeah, I tend to agree. In his defense, he also pointed out that when you are a professional musician, you don't want to get a reputation for turning down auditions because there comes a point where you won't be asked anymore. I get that, and I completely understand where he is coming from on that. But by the same token, I would think that if you truly aren't interested, you do more harm to your reputation by showing up for something on someone else's dime and not being committed enough to really want it. But I could be wrong.
Hi, guys
Watching episode 2, I noticed that this video didn't show the real appreciation of the band to Marco Minneman, considering the previous videos.
Let me share my small investigation with you which shows who is probably the new drummer https://sem-bolasha.livejournal.com/811.html
Yeah, I tend to agree. In his defense, he also pointed out that when you are a professional musician, you don't want to get a reputation for turning down auditions because there comes a point where you won't be asked anymore. I get that, and I completely understand where he is coming from on that. But by the same token, I would think that if you truly aren't interested, you do more harm to your reputation by showing up for something on someone else's dime and not being committed enough to really want it. But I could be wrong.
Greetings everyone. First post...long time observer.
Let me just say that this comment about turning down auditions is complete and utter crap!!!
I have been a working musician for the past 10+ years. There is NOTHING wrong with turning down an audition you don't feel you would be able to commit to if you were to actually got the job. I do it all the time. In fact, most potential employers would prefer you were honest about your availability upfront instead of leading them on....I'm sure if D Roddy went into the audition and blew the band away he would be singing a far different tune today.
This is simply a case of realizing(after the fact), that you were a bad fit for a musical situation and trying to justify it publicly.
There is no doubt that D Roddy is an exceptional drummer...just not for Dream Theater.
:lol :lol :rollin :rollin
Derek Roddy:
"Another thing that needs to be considered in my case is.....
I auditioned for DT because I was asked.......not because I wanted to be the new DT drummer."
Then mr. Roddy, you shouldn´t audition.
Drummer that wanted badly to be in the band is now with them :hefdaddy
Yeah, I tend to agree. In his defense, he also pointed out that when you are a professional musician, you don't want to get a reputation for turning down auditions because there comes a point where you won't be asked anymore. I get that, and I completely understand where he is coming from on that. But by the same token, I would think that if you truly aren't interested, you do more harm to your reputation by showing up for something on someone else's dime and not being committed enough to really want it. But I could be wrong.
I don't really like Dream Theater that much, but I had some drumsticks and some snakes, so what the fuck?
Hi, guysInteresting man. Thanks for sharing. Yeah the omitted scenes of marco have been noticed and discussed. I definitely agree that Minnemann would have been a great part of the DT team, and of course we aren't 100% certain that he can be ruled out. Hopefully Marco will connect with members of the DT gang in the future, because the chemistry was amazing.
Watching episode 2, I noticed that this video didn't show the real appreciation of the band to Marco Minneman, considering the previous videos.
Let me share my small investigation with you which shows who is probably the new drummer https://sem-bolasha.livejournal.com/811.html
Reap, have you actually read Roddy's posts? The most pertinent ones are posted in the "what we know" thread.
- Maybe they really did go to Minnemann first and he turned it down because he didn't want to commit to the lifestyle of the group. If it happened, will it be put out there?
- Something's up with the editing decisions when the drummers are trading stories of their discontent with them. It's one thing to say "Eh, they didn't capture everything but they more or less got the point." It's another to feel you were fundamentally misrepresented.
some of the other drummers are pissed at the way they were presented in this Doc.....for example you got the feeling that Marco and Thomas WANTED that gig.....I know that they might have taken it but, they weren't going to cry over not getting it.
- The not doing side projects thing isn't really that unbelievable, and more than a little lame.
In fact, one of them told me that it would destroy everything they loved about what they are doing with music. They couldn't do outside projects, HAD TO be there for DT 100% of the time, etc
- Are we really sure that Minnemann Facebook post wasn't legit?
I don't really like Dream Theater that much, but I had some drumsticks and some snakes, so what the fuck?
I'm missing something: what MM post are we referring to here?
hi, no I'm not DTs drummer:-). But I did work with Jordan on the "musical mind meld", and we have plans for a trio project with John P and Jordan together. And I'm sorry I ended up being unwillingly dragged into these imo silly soap opera DT episodes, haha. I really didn't want that and wasn't asked for approval. Love to all of ya:-)
I find it interesting and somewhat... I dunno... dismaying that a whole seedy underbelly to this whole thing is starting to bubble up.this.
I feel like Mangini is too much like Portnoy in a way, and won't add a new dimension to the band whereas Minnemann could.
Not too long after MP left, JP did an interview where he was asked "What did you learn over the past year?" His response? Something along the lines of "Don't let your drummer play for another band." Maybe he wasn't joking.
Can I just quickly point out that both Mike Mangini and Marco Minnemann have the same initials? Spelling it out in your posts might make it a bit easier to follow :lolThat's what people refer to when they say "it looks like it's most likely MM so far", aka either Marco or Mike.
rumborak
Derek Roddy is acting so stupidly, it's like the MP drama fest all over again. I'm really glad he was one of the worse fits as it seems like in the documentary.
Derek Roddy is acting so stupidly, it's like the MP drama fest all over again. I'm really glad he was one of the worse fits as it seems like in the documentary.
To be honest, I can understand where he's coming from. When you're filmed for something that hurts your image, of course you want to defend it and try to be honest. As much as the "I did it because I was asked" reasoning sounds a bit weird, he makes it sound like almost everyone else who auditioned felt the same way. And what evidence do we have that he's wrong? I'd also say that pretty much everything negative he's said is about the doc. He's had nothing but good things to say about the band themselves, even in the context of when the auditions didn't work. And the first thing he came to the internet to write was about how they specifically didn't say "sign over the rights to these recordings or you can't audition" out of no where in New York. While his perspective is clearly biased, I don't think he's saying anything unfair.
It's just his comments sound out of place. Even the documentary didn't really say anything bad about him. It just said his style didn't fit DT as much as the other guys. I don't get why he's so angry over nothing, and saying he never even wanted to join the band doesn't make his image look any better.Derek Roddy is acting so stupidly, it's like the MP drama fest all over again. I'm really glad he was one of the worse fits as it seems like in the documentary.
To be honest, I can understand where he's coming from. When you're filmed for something that hurts your image, of course you want to defend it and try to be honest. As much as the "I did it because I was asked" reasoning sounds a bit weird, he makes it sound like almost everyone else who auditioned felt the same way. And what evidence do we have that he's wrong? I'd also say that pretty much everything negative he's said is about the doc. He's had nothing but good things to say about the band themselves, even in the context of when the auditions didn't work. And the first thing he came to the internet to write was about how they specifically didn't say "sign over the rights to these recordings or you can't audition" out of no where in New York. While his perspective is clearly biased, I don't think he's saying anything unfair.
But I can't see how this documental can be a bad thing for these drummers.
The problem is, he's assuming everyone else is pissed and we don't know that.
I'm sure if D Roddy went into the audition and blew the band away he would be singing a far different tune today.
Yeah, I'm not sure why I suddenly got so defensive but a lot of Roddy's comments on his forum just seem like examples of the mantra that some things are best left unsaid. Just seemed in poor taste.
I hear you. It's like, if the only things you can think of to post just smack of bitterness about not getting a drum gig, or are just silly pics of Emperor Palpatine, why bother, right?
In the doc though you get the definite impression that he didn't prepare nearly as hard as the other guys and seemed okay with that. They also put a lot of emphasis on the fact that he flubbed the riff test. While I don't quite see why he's so unhappy about how it turned out, the impulse to shine a little light on what happened and tell your side of the story makes sense.
Derek Roddy:
"Another thing that needs to be considered in my case is.....
I auditioned for DT because I was asked.......not because I wanted to be the new DT drummer."
Then mr. Roddy, you shouldn´t audition.
Drummer that wanted badly to be in the band is now with them :hefdaddy
Yeah, I tend to agree. In his defense, he also pointed out that when you are a professional musician, you don't want to get a reputation for turning down auditions because there comes a point where you won't be asked anymore. I get that, and I completely understand where he is coming from on that. But by the same token, I would think that if you truly aren't interested, you do more harm to your reputation by showing up for something on someone else's dime and not being committed enough to really want it. But I could be wrong.
I didn't think Roddy came off poorly in the video. He's clearly super talented, just wasn't the best for the job.
I didn't think Roddy came off poorly in the video. He's clearly super talented, just wasn't the best for the job.
Yeah, I don't understand this either. How can anybody say it's a 40% chance Peter Wildoer gets the spot, even before you've seen him perform with DT?
Maybe it's because I feel bad for the guy, but I totally understand what Roddy is saying and I have no problem with it.Well or the reality could be that these were the best parts of his audition? I mean really, if a band gives you a camera and asks you to record your thoughts a few days up to the audition and you actually think that your indication that you really "hadn't practiced, but you listened to the songs a lot" is a good way to come off, then man, imho you kind of deserve what you get. We are all assuming that he nailed everything else in the audition and they only showed the bad parts, well what if, those bad parts were the best parts of the audition? I mean none of us were there and we are assuming that those are the worst things that happened. Consider that no matter how great of a drummer he is (and I DO consider him to be a phenominal drummer), the showing of the other parts of his audition would have portrayed him in even WORSE of a light. What would we expect DT to do? say "here's the vids of all the guys, except one that really sucked badly"? I am exaggerating of course but doing so to stress a point.
The editing of the documentary... I don't know. It doesn't make him come off as well as he could have or maybe even should have. People who actually think about what it means to audition for DT all know that it's a big deal, and it makes you respect each drummer tenfold, but people just casually watching these videos and not giving it a second thought see Roddy struggling with time signatures and probably think, "This dude sucks".
I don't know. Maybe it isn't DT or RR's responsibility to make every drummer look like a God, but they could have made Roddy look better.
I didn't think Roddy came off poorly in the video. He's clearly super talented, just wasn't the best for the job.
Amen.
Also, let's not forget DT fans have this tendency to over-analyze everything they're given, so that could also have something to do with this.
I didn't think Roddy came off poorly in the video. He's clearly super talented, just wasn't the best for the job.
I didn't think Roddy came off poorly in the video. He's clearly super talented, just wasn't the best for the job.
Well, to each their own. I definitely came away from the video thinking "holy shit, Derek totally bungled that audition", and I assume I am not the only one who had that impression. And that alone should give Roddy cause for concern.
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We are all assuming that he nailed everything else in the audition and they only showed the bad parts, well what if, those bad parts were the best parts of the audition?
In the doc though you get the definite impression that he didn't prepare nearly as hard as the other guys and seemed okay with that. They also put a lot of emphasis on the fact that he flubbed the riff test. While I don't quite see why he's so unhappy about how it turned out, the impulse to shine a little light on what happened and tell your side of the story makes sense.
Yeah, this. Roddy hands-down came off the worst in that whole thing. They chose snippets from his videos that sounded like "yeah, I didn't really prepare...", and they emphasized a lot on his shortcomings during the audition. It doesn't matter whether or not this was a reflection of reality, bottom line is that this video hurt his image. I would be pretty disgruntled about this too.
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I hope that DT releases the entire performances for each drummer as a bonus or something.
Indeed. Roddy was portrayed as taking the audition lightly, not being as preparred as the others, and shown sections
where he appeared to have screwed up.
I have a different perception, bosky. First they start out with "I didn't physically prepare for the songs", then they show him struggle with the riff parts, and the end they show him saying "it is what it is, can't change anything about it". To me it struck me as if they were trying to show that he himself thought he fucked it up.
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QuoteWas I alone in finding it astonishingly hypocritical for Jordan to criticize someone for coming into Dream Theater and adding their own little spin instead of just playing the parts as recorded? I mean, was that supposed to be a joke?If you think that's hypocritical, wait til the next episode where he gives Priester crap for playing on a kit made entirely out of iPads.
anyone who isnt sure about aqilies's playing should check out his PsychOctopus Solo it is awsome!!!
To turn up the level of cheese...
Does anyone think the last video will end with footage of the full version audition of The Spirit Carries On with the new drummer?
Best comment so far (from the JP forums):QuoteQuoteWas I alone in finding it astonishingly hypocritical for Jordan to criticize someone for coming into Dream Theater and adding their own little spin instead of just playing the parts as recorded? I mean, was that supposed to be a joke?If you think that's hypocritical, wait til the next episode where he gives Priester crap for playing on a kit made entirely out of iPads.
:rollin
To turn up the level of cheese...We're gonna see this song performed way too many times with the new drummer either way.
Does anyone think the last video will end with footage of the full version audition of The Spirit Carries On with the new drummer?
To turn up the level of cheese...We're gonna see this song performed way too many times with the new drummer either way.
Does anyone think the last video will end with footage of the full version audition of The Spirit Carries On with the new drummer?
Nah, actually, I take it back. This song can't be performed too many times.
To turn up the level of cheese...
Does anyone think the last video will end with footage of the full version audition of The Spirit Carries On with the new drummer?
Hmm, good call!
To me it struck me as if they were trying to show that he himself thought he fucked it up.
rumborak
Call me crazy, but it seems weird to be complaining about being shown in not the most positive light for a gig that you admittedly both didn't really want or really prepare for.
Call me crazy, but it seems weird to be complaining about being shown in not the most positive light for a gig that you admittedly both didn't really want or really prepare for.
Yeah really, I'm sure if DT knew he was only coming becuase they asked him, they would have said thanks but no thanks. His comments in the video are a big tip off at where his head space was at with the whole thing. I'm here for the DT audition which is nice. Huh? As opposed to Mangini, I want to be in this BAND! Even Marco was kinda like yeah why not when he was recounting his conversation with Jordan about auditioning. Lang gave off the same vibe, we'll sure you asked I'll come. But there was no passion about wanting to be in the band. So far it seems Mangini and Donati are really the only ones that seemed into the band in any capacity and really want it. ( That we've seen so far, Peter seems to be a fan, and I'm guessing Priester as well given his background and style of music he plays) I think Marco was more into the idea of playing with DT after the audition.
I'm sad the drummer thing is getting a little dirty with all the noise from fans and drummers.. :( i just hope at the end DT and the 8 drummers (including MP) ends in good terms and lots of side projects.
A couple things tell me that Roddy's audition wasn't great. First, his general approach was "I didn't do much to prepare physically" and "this morning, I just listened to the songs". Second, he got no "you passed Phase One!" comments from the DT guys. Third, no exit interview. Along with the other things that people brought up, I don't think it's a stretch to at least say that Roddy had the worst audition of the five we've seen so far.
Obviously no one has yet been painted in a negative light, but....the general vibe is that he really didn't do too well. The DT guys really didn't seem too impressed, and it looked like JP was digging for something nice to say when he brought up Roddy's blast beats.
Friends, can someone explain me why I find two different posts by MM about his being not the DT drummer? ???
1) The one I read in this thread
"hi, no I'm not DTs drummer:-). But I did work with Jordan on the "musical mind meld", and we have plans for a trio project with John P and Jordan together. And I'm sorry I ended up being unwillingly dragged into these imo silly soap opera DT episodes, haha. I really didn't want that and wasn't asked for approval. Love to all of ya:-)"
2) Another one found here https://www.metalsucks.net/2011/04/22/marco-minnemann-i-am-not-dream-theaters-new-drummer/ (https://www.metalsucks.net/2011/04/22/marco-minnemann-i-am-not-dream-theaters-new-drummer/)
"Haha, thanks, but I’m not DTs drummer. I know everybody thinks I am and our chemistry is great, but I’m doing actually another thing with Jordan and there are also plans for another project with Jordan and John P together."
Isn't it suspicios?
It doesn't sound to me like there are any hard feeling from Roddy. He does say at the end that he'd definitely like to play with the guys again in the future. I think he just didn't want the gig that bad and knows he wouldn't have been the best fit anyway.
Friends, can someone explain me why I find two different posts by MM about his being not the DT drummer? ???
1) The one I read in this thread
"hi, no I'm not DTs drummer:-). But I did work with Jordan on the "musical mind meld", and we have plans for a trio project with John P and Jordan together. And I'm sorry I ended up being unwillingly dragged into these imo silly soap opera DT episodes, haha. I really didn't want that and wasn't asked for approval. Love to all of ya:-)"
2) Another one found here https://www.metalsucks.net/2011/04/22/marco-minnemann-i-am-not-dream-theaters-new-drummer/ (https://www.metalsucks.net/2011/04/22/marco-minnemann-i-am-not-dream-theaters-new-drummer/)
"Haha, thanks, but I’m not DTs drummer. I know everybody thinks I am and our chemistry is great, but I’m doing actually another thing with Jordan and there are also plans for another project with Jordan and John P together."
Isn't it suspicios?
What exact part is suspicious?
rumborak
I mean, was it several times that he denied being a DT drummer or what?
Are there any proofs that any of the posts is authentic?
So this thread is moving way fast. But can someone give me a description on how this is going over on the MP forums? I know when the whole thing was going down there was some serious issues over there. Are they even allowed to discuss the videos?
So this thread is moving way fast. But can someone give me a description on how this is going over on the MP forums? I know when the whole thing was going down there was some serious issues over there. Are they even allowed to discuss the videos?
I would like to know this as well.
There's two sides to the coin. I for one was a bit taken aback by Mangini's overt "I WANT TO BE IN THIS BAND!!". I think the others were approaching it from a more professional level, just like any other person applying for a job.
rumborak
There's two sides to the coin. I for one was a bit taken aback by Mangini's overt "I WANT TO BE IN THIS BAND!!". I think the others were approaching it from a more professional level, just like any other person applying for a job.
rumborak
I'm wondering if his comments stem for never really having a home in a band. Yes he toured with Vai for a 4 year stint but no recording in a studio so maybe he wants that one band where he records and tours. I for one would want to be on an album that is a timestamp of your career.
I think that we're all missing the most salient point here...Hahahaha!!
Derek Roddy makes his living from SNAKES!! That pay him better than DT!!!
How does that even work? Are they trained? Or do people pay him to look at his snakes? :lol
I think that we're all missing the most salient point here...Hahahaha!!
Derek Roddy makes his living from SNAKES!! That pay him better than DT!!!
How does that even work? Are they trained? Or do people pay him to look at his snakes? :lol
I thought that! Forgot it the second I read the rest of the thread - but yes, that's brilliant. Derek Roddy and his profitable snakes.
I wish I was as entrepreneurial as him. I can't even fathom how a snake-based business would work. Maybe he stocks them to film crews? I like the idea that people pay him to look at his snakes, though. Mainly because it's a wonderful sentence.
Snakes. Brilliant.
So this thread is moving way fast. But can someone give me a description on how this is going over on the MP forums? I know when the whole thing was going down there was some serious issues over there. Are they even allowed to discuss the videos?
I would like to know this as well.
They just have a sanctioned thread which is closely monitored.
Anyone think there will be footage of the new drummer AFTER the audition process? I know it doesn't take 6 months to produce a 1 hour documentary, so I think it's likely we'll see some footage of the studio sessions which would reinforce to the fans their choice of drummer.
It's irrelevant at this point because I think we're all 99.9% sure that Mike Mangini got the job. There have been no indications otherwise.
I think that we're all missing the most salient point here...Hahahaha!!
Derek Roddy makes his living from SNAKES!! That pay him better than DT!!!
How does that even work? Are they trained? Or do people pay him to look at his snakes? :lol
I thought that! Forgot it the second I read the rest of the thread - but yes, that's brilliant. Derek Roddy and his profitable snakes.
I wish I was as entrepreneurial as him. I can't even fathom how a snake-based business would work. Maybe he stocks them to film crews? I like the idea that people pay him to look at his snakes, though. Mainly because it's a wonderful sentence.
Snakes. Brilliant.
So this thread is moving way fast. But can someone give me a description on how this is going over on the MP forums? I know when the whole thing was going down there was some serious issues over there. Are they even allowed to discuss the videos?
I think that we're all missing the most salient point here...Hahahaha!!
Derek Roddy makes his living from SNAKES!! That pay him better than DT!!!
How does that even work? Are they trained? Or do people pay him to look at his snakes? :lol
I thought that! Forgot it the second I read the rest of the thread - but yes, that's brilliant. Derek Roddy and his profitable snakes.
I wish I was as entrepreneurial as him. I can't even fathom how a snake-based business would work. Maybe he stocks them to film crews? I like the idea that people pay him to look at his snakes, though. Mainly because it's a wonderful sentence.
Snakes. Brilliant.
I think he breeds them then sells them as pets. I watched a video once where a snake breeder was showing off his snakes, and there were some he was selling for as much as a car.
It's irrelevant at this point because I think we're all 99.9% sure that Mike Mangini got the job. There have been no indications otherwise.
I am really glad that you are so aware of who got the job but I would really appreciate if you gave me some tips so that I could be so sure too :-\
I was thinking this morning how sad it was that drummers of this caliber have to be looking for full-time work . . . speaks volumes about the music scene today. In the 70s these guys would all be employed with big-name bands.
I was thinking this morning how sad it was that drummers of this caliber have to be looking for full-time work . . . speaks volumes about the music scene today. In the 70s these guys would all be employed with big-name bands.
Hate to quote myself, but this thread is moving way too fast . . . I was hoping for some feedback; am I way off base in thinking that these drummers should all have full-time gigs?
https://www.metalinsider.net/interviews/exclusive-director-mike-leonard-talks-about-filming-dream-theaters-the-spirit-carries-on-documentary
Found this on the Internet. It's an interview with the director of the drummer doc. Some interesting stuff there.
EDIT, ninja'd
https://www.metalinsider.net/interviews/exclusive-director-mike-leonard-talks-about-filming-dream-theaters-the-spirit-carries-on-documentary
Found this on the Internet. It's an interview with the director of the drummer doc. Some interesting stuff there.
EDIT, ninja'd
Hmm, what tv networks would have been interested in picking this documentary up? Certainly not any major ones?
I didn't think Roddy came off poorly in the video. He's clearly super talented, just wasn't the best for the job.
Well, to each their own. I definitely came away from the video thinking "holy shit, Derek totally bungled that audition", and I assume I am not the only one who had that impression. And that alone should give Roddy cause for concern.
rumborak
So this thread is moving way fast. But can someone give me a description on how this is going over on the MP forums? I know when the whole thing was going down there was some serious issues over there. Are they even allowed to discuss the videos?
As mentioned, there is an official thread at MP.com that is monitored pretty closely. I haven't been following it, so I can't tell you much more than that.
MP.com does have quite a repressed atmosphere in general, mind. I never get the impression that everyone's speaking quite as freely as they'd like to.So this thread is moving way fast. But can someone give me a description on how this is going over on the MP forums? I know when the whole thing was going down there was some serious issues over there. Are they even allowed to discuss the videos?
As mentioned, there is an official thread at MP.com that is monitored pretty closely. I haven't been following it, so I can't tell you much more than that.
I've been participating in that sanctioned thread more than here and I can't say it's more 'tense' but there is definately a different 'vibe' than here. Every couple pages or so someone makes sure to remind MP that they (we) luv him and thank him for not locking that thread. I can't imagine he'd even read it...that'd be tough. We will see how it goes once the drummer is finally announced, that's when the fun should begin.
...I must say that I do tend to "vote with my feet."
The fish wasn't me, but I am never going near your feet....I must say that I do tend to "vote with my feet."
That explains why it often smells of cheese and fish when you are posting.
And...why do you think the forum will be open tomorrow?
Kevin Moore is the new drummer? :oAnd...why do you think the forum will be open tomorrow?
After tomorrow, the forum will never be open again.
The fish wasn't me, but I am never going near your feet....I must say that I do tend to "vote with my feet."
That explains why it often smells of cheese and fish when you are posting.
LOOOOLAnd...why do you think the forum will be open tomorrow?
After tomorrow, the forum will never be open again.
And...why do you think the forum will be open tomorrow?
And...why do you think the forum will be open tomorrow?
Closed for the Bank Holiday, is it? ;)
Phew... mammoth reading session to catch up.
i hope he is able to come up with more original parts than I heard on JLB's EoP.
That lack of compositional creativity is something I've always been worried about with Mangini. Its the main reason I haven't been pulling for him. If he gets along great with the guys, then cool, hopefully he can really step it up on the new album. I know he can play the stuff, but so can Marco, and Marco's a heckuvalot more creative.
That lack of compositional creativity is something I've always been worried about with Mangini. Its the main reason I haven't been pulling for him. If he gets along great with the guys, then cool, hopefully he can really step it up on the new album. I know he can play the stuff, but so can Marco, and Marco's a heckuvalot more creative.
my thoughts from the beginning, but i will reserve judgment on the new DT drummer til i hear the album
That lack of compositional creativity is something I've always been worried about with Mangini. Its the main reason I haven't been pulling for him. If he gets along great with the guys, then cool, hopefully he can really step it up on the new album. I know he can play the stuff, but so can Marco, and Marco's a heckuvalot more creative.
I'm going to be nervous checking the forum tomorrow. I want to get a quick link to part 3, but I don't want to spoil myself by looking at any other posts or thread titles. =/
I'm going to be nervous checking the forum tomorrow. I want to get a quick link to part 3, but I don't want to spoil myself by looking at any other posts or thread titles. =/
Bosk, that thread has been helpful. I've been at work and have not been able to participate in the thread here, but I've been trying to read as much as possible.Phew... mammoth reading session to catch up.
:lol Yeah. But you can always start with the summary thread for finding out the official information. I've been updating it as fast as we get info., and it's much better organized now.
That lack of compositional creativity is something I've always been worried about with Mangini. Its the main reason I haven't been pulling for him. If he gets along great with the guys, then cool, hopefully he can really step it up on the new album. I know he can play the stuff, but so can Marco, and Marco's a heckuvalot more creative.
Matt, if you heard the difference between the original drummer for Extreme and the 3 songs Mangini played on Waiting For The Punchline. you'd see he's very creative. I'm not saying Paul Geary wasn't a good drummer, but the creativity of Mangini was great for the songs.
Bosk, that thread has been helpful. I've been at work and have not been able to participate in the thread here, but I've been trying to read as much as possible.Phew... mammoth reading session to catch up.
:lol Yeah. But you can always start with the summary thread for finding out the official information. I've been updating it as fast as we get info., and it's much better organized now.
Matt, if you heard the difference between the original drummer for Extreme and the 3 songs Mangini played on Waiting For The Punchline. you'd see he's very creative. I'm not saying Paul Geary wasn't a good drummer, but the creativity of Mangini was great for the songs.
Here's another one of his posts that was quite revealing;
"The whole thing with all us guys audition footage is....you're seeing 5 minutes (of what some editor thinks.... is creating "drama" for reality TV)
If you notice.....all of the drummers with the exception of Mike was presented as if they had a "flaw" in their playing.....and that certainly wasn't the case.
What you didn't see are the 2 hours and 55 minutes of kick ass jams, tunes played exact, etc......each drummer had.
Another thing that needs to be considered in my case is.....
I auditioned for DT because I was asked.......not because I wanted to be the new DT drummer.
Too much commitment for me to stop what I have going on in my life.
I have a snake collection (over 100 animals) that has generated more income than DT would be able to pay me. For me to stop that.......would take a lot.
This drum thing is fun and all but, it doesn't make up even half of my yearly income.
For me to consider that gig....meant I had to move out of a really big passion (and security) to do something......I've done already (touring) and am doing still through education and my own projects.
One of the questioned asked by RR was "how would getting this gig change your life"
My answer was....."I'm not looking to change my life."
That was a big shock to everyone listening! Haha.
Cheers,
D"
To turn up the level of cheese...
Does anyone think the last video will end with footage of the full version audition of The Spirit Carries On with the new drummer?
have you seen this interview before?I think he's pretending to be Italian. And not a native English speaker. I'm not sure why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-jF9zkYZY
It's not about DT
though I don't want this guy to be the new drummer really
He is so weird!
he's got an Italian interviewer and so he's lapsing into Italian speech patterns and rhythms.Probably this.
have you seen this interview before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-jF9zkYZY
It's not about DT
though I don't want this guy to be the new drummer really
He is so weird!
:facepalm: Some people will find anything to complain about.
I'm going to be nervous checking the forum tomorrow. I want to get a quick link to part 3, but I don't want to spoil myself by looking at any other posts or thread titles. =/
I can't believe I've read this whole thread.Your avatar is perfect for that post!
have you seen this interview before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-jF9zkYZY
It's not about DT
though I don't want this guy to be the new drummer really
He is so weird!
He was clearly just being funny with the accent and Italian passion because he was in Italy and figured he'd screw around with the interviewer. I love that vid. It's hilarious. Definitely not to be taken seriously.
I wonder if the post storm tomorrow will put this thread at an equal post count to the Place Your Bets thread.
That lack of compositional creativity is something I've always been worried about with Mangini. Its the main reason I haven't been pulling for him. If he gets along great with the guys, then cool, hopefully he can really step it up on the new album. I know he can play the stuff, but so can Marco, and Marco's a heckuvalot more creative.
my thoughts from the beginning, but i will reserve judgment on the new DT drummer til i hear the album
This, and also who knows if he wrote parts for this next one at all? How do we know he didn't come to find the drum parts written for the new album? And I'm sure the guys write drum parts sometimes.
Back to the documentary, after watching the second part again, i don't regret voting for Donati the first time in the place your bets thread, this guy is a freak of nature, such a creative drummer. He would certainly change even the most simple and established beats, but i really want to see all the jamming, i believe he came up with great stuff.
I think I would like Priester better if he didn't wear those gloves.
Joe S., will you be watching the video tomorrow right when it comes on?
If you do, you should be a sweetheart and text me if they announce the drummer and who it is. <3
Man, every time I wake up there's like 10 more pages of info.Stop dozing off you lazy SOB! :biggrin:
of course i have to work tomorrow...im gonna be so miserable,and not because i have pink eye...im gettin this weird feeling it might be peter,i like him but i really want mm or mm
Joe S., will you be watching the video tomorrow right when it comes on?
If you do, you should be a sweetheart and text me if they announce the drummer and who it is. <3
I would love to, darling, but it may be a bit delayed cos I'll be at work and viewing it on my phone.
I can't believe I've read this whole thread.Me to Aniland, me to... 72 pages... :facepalm:
I can't believe it's so close.
Dear God, no. :omg:I can't believe it's so close.
Maybe they're going to Duke Nukem Forever us.
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have you seen this interview before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-jF9zkYZY
It's not about DT
though I don't want this guy to be the new drummer really
He is so weird!
He was clearly just being funny with the accent and Italian passion because he was in Italy and figured he'd screw around with the interviewer. I love that vid. It's hilarious. Definitely not to be taken seriously.
There wasnt anything slightly humerous about the interview.. I think he just picked up the rhythm pattern
My question is why did they draw this out so long?!? According to the producer's video, it was so they could crete hype with this documentary.
have you seen this interview before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-jF9zkYZY
It's not about DT
though I don't want this guy to be the new drummer really
He is so weird!
He was clearly just being funny with the accent and Italian passion because he was in Italy and figured he'd screw around with the interviewer. I love that vid. It's hilarious. Definitely not to be taken seriously.
There wasnt anything slightly humerous about the interview.. I think he just picked up the rhythm pattern
I guess you don't have a sense of humor then. That's too bad.
"...to welcome you to the family."
CREDITS
"...to welcome you to the family."^
CREDITS
have you seen this interview before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-jF9zkYZY
It's not about DT
though I don't want this guy to be the new drummer really
He is so weird!
it's suspicious Peter stay quiet approaching the final episode..
maybe it is true that he is............ :hefdaddy
can't hardly wait.... :corn
Dear God, no. :omg:I can't believe it's so close.
Maybe they're going to Duke Nukem Forever us.
That lack of compositional creativity is something I've always been worried about with Mangini. Its the main reason I haven't been pulling for him. If he gets along great with the guys, then cool, hopefully he can really step it up on the new album. I know he can play the stuff, but so can Marco, and Marco's a heckuvalot more creative.
my thoughts from the beginning, but i will reserve judgment on the new DT drummer til i hear the album
This, and also who knows if he wrote parts for this next one at all? How do we know he didn't come to find the drum parts written for the new album? And I'm sure the guys write drum parts sometimes.
- DT jam's out idea's as a whole band then takes the seeds of these ideas and develops them.
- John reiterated this whole process in part 2
- This is common practice
- This is also what test 2 and 3 of the audition directly relate to
- Do you seriously think they would have pre-written drum parts? I mean really.
It's irrelevant at this point because I think we're all 99.9% sure that Mike Mangini got the job. There have been no indications otherwise.
I am really glad that you are so aware of who got the job but I would really appreciate if you gave me some tips so that I could be so sure too :-\
If you've been following this situation for the past few weeks then you would know why.
It's irrelevant at this point because I think we're all 99.9% sure that Mike Mangini got the job. There have been no indications otherwise.
I am really glad that you are so aware of who got the job but I would really appreciate if you gave me some tips so that I could be so sure too :-\
If you've been following this situation for the past few weeks then you would know why.
I haven't. Can someone provide me with the cliff notes?
Hello everyone.
I've been lurking for a bit like I'm sure many folks have been recently. I wanted to comment on my reaction to the documentary so far with some background to help illuminate where I'm coming from (I suspect I'm not the only who feels this way about everything that's been happening).
I have been a Dream Theater fan since 1992 when I was a freshman in high school and first read the review of "Images And Words" in Guitar World magazine, followed shortly thereafter by hearing "Pull Me Under" on the local rock radio station (ah the good old days when radio actually played decent music and MTV actually showed videos). For the next 5 years up until the release of "Falling Into Eternity", DT was my absolute favorite band. I saw them live 3 times during this time period. My interest briefly tailed off, then when "Scenes From A Memory" was released, they returned to the throne as my favorite band. With the release of "Train Of Thought" and all of the successive albums that have followed it, I became gradually less and less interested in DT. I felt that they were becoming a bit stagnant creatively, and as many others have pointed out on this forum, they began sounding like less of a "progressive" metal band that enjoyed throwing you multiple curve balls for your listening enjoyment, and more like a metal band that simply played long songs. I had always appreciated the curve balls, and liked to keep my straightforward metal more in the Dio, Sabbath, Maiden, Accept variety, with an occasionaly smattering of the more extreme variety like Opeth (although Mikael Akerfeldt also enjoys throwing a good curveball as well). DT became replaced in my hierarchy of bands by others. I did see them another 3 times live, but began missing some of their dates when they were coming around, and only saw them last year because they were opening for Iron Maiden.
For some reason, I wasn't shocked when I heard about Mike Portnoy's exit from the band (I think my thoughts on MP leaving are best served on another thread though). Over the next several months, as the rumors began swirling about his replacement, I would occasionally read Blabbermouth posts about this person and that with fleeting interest.
Then I saw Jordan's facebook post about the coming info on the new drummer and the drummer search, and I followed the link to the documentary preview. I'll admit that when I watched it, I did have an initial reaction of distaste at what I thought was "reality TV-esque" editing. However, I was also intrigued about the idea of getting a look at the potential of what another world-class musician in DT could do to enhance the band and possibly begin a new chapter, hopefully reinstating some creative fire and passion which I felt had been missing recently. I admit that when I saw the preview, the only drummers that I really knew there were Thomas Lang from Youtube videos and Derek Roddy from his work with Nile and Hate Eternal. That's when I began lurking on this forum and was reassured by several posts here that this documentary would not be a "reality TV" exercise in which drummers would be eliminated one at a time or some other such nonsense.
I then watched the first episode of the documentary and I'll admit that I have been hooked. Watching the second episode has only gotten me more interested and hopeful, reigniting my passion as a lapsed-DT fan. All of the drummers shown so far are amazing in my book and I would give my left nut to jam with any of them. I find it even more refreshing to find that one of the auditionees, Peter Wildeor, has been posting here and seems like a genuine, amiable guy (for some reason, I didn't realize he was the drummer in Darkane eventhough I was familiar with their work). His posting and some of the resulting comments about James Labrie's last solo album led me to listen to some of it on Youtube and then go out and buy the album after being floored by the quality of the songs and performances (particularly Peter's drumming and James' vocal melodies) on the album (actually, I haven't been that surprised and had my expectations altered by an album in a long time - I'm going to have to find the thread here about "Static Impulse" so I can post my thoughts on it there).
In terms of the back and forth about the various drummers and their performances, the choice of editing, who is posting what where, who is dissatisfied with how they were portrayed, and who truly wants the spot in the band or not, I find much of it as nonsense. A lot is written on the internet that may or may not be true. One of the downsides of our technological advances is that now anonymous individuals can impersonate others and/or lie with impunity or care about the repercussions of their actions. Whatever we are reading, we have to realize that the truth in all of these situations is usually somewhere in the murky middle between the two parties involved. I know all of the clues are pointing to one individual being the choice, but I don't really care. I'm watching tomorrow with renewed excitement about DT, the coming new album, and tour. Who knows, we might all be in for a surprise...
Did Roddy looked like the weakest link because JP never said "You passed the test" and instead went to his kit and shook his hand, "thanks, bro". No talk, just... bye.
Basically, it's going to be epic.too bad not everybody listens to Neal Morse :lol
:lhk:
Just 10 hours to episode three! Can't wait!!!
I've been very busy and with the speed this thread is moving it's hard to keep track. Anyway I simply loved episode two. To watch these amazing drummers is soo inspiring. Virgil sounded amazing on the jam test, he really nailed those odd meters and made them sound flawless. Then again JR just said "you eat this for lunch" :lol So very true!!!
Be back soon.
Cheers
Peter
Just 10 hours to episode three! Can't wait!!!Thank you Peter, and welcome back! Everybody here is looking forward to your audition :) Hope we'll see you around here tomorrow.
I've been very busy and with the speed this thread is moving it's hard to keep track. Anyway I simply loved episode two. To watch these amazing drummers is soo inspiring. Virgil sounded amazing on the jam test, he really nailed those odd meters and made them sound flawless. Then again JR just said "you eat this for lunch" :lol So very true!!!
Be back soon.
Cheers
Peter
What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.
What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.Marco Playing the spirit carries on. Although I would have loved to see him play tDOE. He seemed to have had an elaborate understanding of the piece, as seen in episode 1 where he goes through his written transcript of the drum parts.
What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.So far I love what little's been shown of Mangini playing TDoE. :metal
What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.Langs and Donati's playing of the riffs!
What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.
https://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74093&page=1
Derek Roddy posted a bit in this thread. More positive comments, but they were before his clip was released.
What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.
Fans have been waiting for a while now to find out who Dream Theater’s new drummer. Were you afraid of there being any backlash from fans upset with how the trailer and episodes extend the suspense?
Yes, this has been a huge issue that the label and the band wrestled with. The band really wanted to let people know right away, but soon after the filming was complete there was a lot of interest by television networks to air this documentary. So due to a potential broadcast deal it was delayed and so was the announcement. Regardless of that, after seeing the first few cuts of the movie, I think the band realized that this would be the best way to announce everything to the fans. They were so genuine about how much they wanted to introduce their fans to the new drummer and I know they felt terrible that they kept it from them for so long.
Thanks for the welcome, everyone.:tup
What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.
What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.
Mangini's one-handed snare intro to TDOE while twirling a stick with the other hand :lol
What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.
Mangini's one-handed snare intro to TDOE while twirling a stick with the other hand :lol
Same here :lol
That mofo is crazy, I like his vibe a lot.
What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.
Mangini's one-handed snare intro to TDOE while twirling a stick with the other hand :lol
Wait, who said that?What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.
Mangini's one-handed snare intro to TDOE while twirling a stick with the other hand :lol
Same here :lol
That mofo is crazy, I like his vibe a lot.
Me three. Mangini's the man. :metal And for those who have said that Mangini seems too gay or weird, you must have an ancient sense of masculinity. Nothing wrong with expressing one's feelings, especially when it comes out like that.
+ Thomas playing TDoE and Marco's jaming started with laughter ...What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.Langs and Donati's playing of the riffs!
7 hours! :metaland I can't concentrate at work... :blush
Peter, could you tell us a little bit about the way you prepared for the audition? Did you know exactly what the auditions were going to be like? You obviously knew what songs were going to play, how did you go about learning them? We see that Marco made time signature charts, did you do any of that? What was the hardest section to learn? Did you discuss the drum parts with the other drummers that were auditioning? Too many questions I'm sure, but I would love to know these things!
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Welcome Poul, thanks for your insightful analysis and opinion.
My impression is that Marco is a unique player with much gusto, but his playing simply looked too goofy. Am I the only one who cracked up at his body motions? Not that it is a bad thing, he has a pure fun energy.
I do! :)Basically, it's going to be epic.too bad not everybody listens to Neal Morse :lol
:lhk:
I assume they're going to announce the drummer in the last part today. I'm working all day today so one of you better text me with who it is!
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fun fun fun fun
Of course, I'll be at work. Unless I get "sick."
fun fun fun fun
Of course, I'll be at work. Unless I get "sick."
What a coincidence! I'm not feeling particularly well today either.
Very interesting. I particularly like how you labeled the respective parts (Meshuggah, Country etc). :lol:lol I love it!
I don't get the love for Mangini. He's pretty much just Mike Portnoy imo. Nothing special, nothing new.
I don't get the love for Mangini. He's pretty much just Mike Portnoy imo. Nothing special, nothing new.lol
Working 10-5 tomorrow. Going to try to watch it on my phone on my lunch break. Hopefully the 3rd episode is also around 20 minutes...
That's awesome, haha.Working 10-5 tomorrow. Going to try to watch it on my phone on my lunch break. Hopefully the 3rd episode is also around 20 minutes...
I am leaving work at lunch time to go to Barnes and Noble to use their Wi-Fi, I will just be sitting there with the shit eating grin on my face. I am 46 and excited like a little school girl.
How much longer will it take? I have no idea when the third episode is supposed to be released in my timezone :facepalm:
Thanks!How much longer will it take? I have no idea when the third episode is supposed to be released in my timezone :facepalm:
2.5 hours
Peter, mind posting the swedish version of the diary? I can't wait to read it! :metal
I know only a select few will read it, but lol.. so EXCITED!!!
WE SO EXCITED!! ... we gonna have a ball today
Didn't Roddy play that bit with one hadns as well? I'm sure they showed him doing that too.What's everybody's favorite bit of the videos so far? Mine is definitely Lang's jam test. He's amazing.
Mangini's one-handed snare intro to TDOE while twirling a stick with the other hand :lol
Haha, that reminds me of a tempo track I tried to make for a symphonic version of The Count of Tuscany. Wasn't perfect tempo, but not too bad...
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Peter, mind posting the swedish version of the diary? I can't wait to read it! :metal
I know only a select few will read it, but lol.. so EXCITED!!!
WE SO EXCITED!! ... we gonna have a ball today
Peter, hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty of inserting those CuBase screenshots into your initial post where you had originally meant to insert them.
Kom igen nu Peter, säg på svenska vem den nya trummisen är! Är det du? ;)
Gone already :(
Well... It is friday!
so it's being released 11:00 am EST?
so it's being released 11:00 am EST?
I agree with what someone posted earlier. They didn't show Mangini play TSCO. I think they'll be like, 'Welcome to the family' and than they show Mike playing TSCO.
so it's being released 11:00 am EST?
Probably even a few minutes earlier. The previous episode was released fifteen minutes before the announced time.
Sitting at the computer naked.
Roadrunner's YT channel open.
Hot tea in hand.
A little bit of :hat
I'm ready!! :metal
I agree with what someone posted earlier. They didn't show Mangini play TSCO. I think they'll be like, 'Welcome to the family' and than they show Mike playing TSCO.
But isn't Marco the only one they showed playing TSCO? It's not like Mike was the only person that they haven't shown playing it.
:friday: :friday: :friday: :friday: :friday: :friday: :friday: :friday:
:friday: :friday: :friday: :friday: :friday: :friday: :friday: :friday:
I love you bosk :lol
Wildoer, please take any criticisms with an open mind. DTF can be very analytic (if you can't already tell) of things like this. it's probably a little weird to be so close to a lot of people seeing your audition.
I don't get the love for Mangini. He's pretty much just Mike Portnoy imo. Nothing special, nothing new.Well I for one was strong on wanting Marco, mainly after watching Jordan's Musical Mind Meld, I was absolutelty floored at his skill... his drum solo in that was mindboggling to me but, after watching a lot of Mangini's stuff and reading more about him I see him as a better fit. In contrast to some of the other opinions expressed here regarding his video taped statements of how much he wants to be a part of DT, I took that as a VERY POSITIVE thing, it didn't come off as cheesy to me at all. I think it showed the passion he has for being part of the group. To a finer point I think that level of passion and dedication is what DT needs for a long term drummer. Someone that will give every fiber of his being to the music and creativity levels. This is what has primarily swayed me to the Mangini camp. Good music is all about passion and mindset coupled with technical ability. While I absolutely LOVED wathiccng Marco play with the guys and still feel he would be a fantastic choice, I think Mike's passion is what gives him the kick above Marco in the right fit for the band.
Who else is going to just skip to the end to see the announcement?
Sitting at the computer naked.
Roadrunner's YT channel open.
Hot tea in hand.
A little bit of :hat
I'm ready!! :metal
Wildoer, please take any criticisms with an open mind. DTF can be very analytic (if you can't already tell) of things like this. it's probably a little weird to be so close to a lot of people seeing your audition.
No worries! I've seen some people changing their opinion on me since they "hated" me for doing screams on LaBrie's album. ;) Also, I know that the other drummers are the top names in the drumming community while I'm the underdog so I think I'll be able to take it. Or, maybe I'll be out of here forever... ;)
41 minutes (if not posted early)
Last speculation: remember how James wasn't allowed to tour for static impulse? It was due to international work visas (Peter is from Sweden). So maybe all these legal issues were over that again so Peter could be in DT. And the USA finally cleared the situation allowing DT to release the documentary
Peter, I would like to take a moment to thank you. Darkane is one of the bands that got me in to metal. While that was almost 6 years ago, if not for you, I might might not be amongst all this excitement today.
Wildoer, please take any criticisms with an open mind. DTF can be very analytic (if you can't already tell) of things like this. it's probably a little weird to be so close to a lot of people seeing your audition.
No worries! I've seen some people changing their opinion on me since they "hated" me for doing screams on LaBrie's album. ;) Also, I know that the other drummers are the top names in the drumming community while I'm the underdog so I think I'll be able to take it. Or, maybe I'll be out of here forever... ;)
41 minutes (if not posted early)
Peter, I would like to take a moment to thank you. Darkane is one of the bands that got me in to metal. While that was almost 6 years ago, if not for you, I might might not be amongst all this excitement today.
Actually, while we're on the subject, on behalf of the forum, I'd like to also like to thank Peter for posting here and giving all kinds of inside scoop to us crazed music fanatics.
Last speculation: remember how James wasn't allowed to tour for static impulse? It was due to international work visas (Peter is from Sweden). So maybe all these legal issues were over that again so Peter could be in DT. And the USA finally cleared the situation allowing DT to release the documentary
I think this huge delay was - at least partly - due to broadcasting contract negotiations (at least the interview with the director of the documentary pointed it out).
Watching the Trailer and the first two Episodes before the third one gets posted...it's gonna be a marathon!
-Marc.
So here's my concern ... I want to get too the link to the final episode WITHOUT seeing a billion references saying.."OMG!! **** is the new drummer!!!!" How do I best achieve that??...LOLhttps://www.youtube.com/user/RoadrunnerRecords
So here's my concern ... I want to get too the link to the final episode WITHOUT seeing a billion references saying.."OMG!! **** is the new drummer!!!!" How do I best achieve that??...LOL
Peter, I would like to take a moment to thank you. Darkane is one of the bands that got me in to metal. While that was almost 6 years ago, if not for you, I might might not be amongst all this excitement today.
Actually, while we're on the subject, on behalf of the forum, I'd like to also like to thank Peter for posting here and giving all kinds of inside scoop to us crazed music fanatics.
not buying that it took 6.5 months for that
So here's my concern ... I want to get too the link to the final episode WITHOUT seeing a billion references saying.."OMG!! **** is the new drummer!!!!" How do I best achieve that??...LOL
Twenty minutes of watching first. You won't have to worry.
IT'S UP :omg: :omg: :omg:
...IT'S LANG. WTF
Can we agree not to post the name of the new drummer all over this place until at least 15 minutes after its been posted??
I just posted a sticky saying not to post it in thread titles. I already have my update thread and my official announcement thread typed, and I made sure to go out of my way to not include info in the title.
Who else is going to just skip to the end to see the announcement?You know, this will be a shame. That's why I'm closing this forum for 25 min and go directly to YouTube. People should watch the whole chapter. And not be... LOL!!! THE DRUMMER IZ XXXX HA-HA! I SKIPPED 2 THE END!!!1
I just posted a sticky saying not to post it in thread titles. I already have my update thread and my official announcement thread typed, and I made sure to go out of my way to not include info in the title.THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
How many seconds do you wait before refreshing??? :P(https://www.g4g.it/g4g/frames/bandiere/keyboardhead_g4g_it.gif)
I'm going to be sitting in my 20th Century Theory class counting the minutes till I can get home and watch. This is entirely too much fun. :biggrin:
Oh, I don't plan on posting about it on the Facebook group or on DTF. I just don't give enough of a shit anymore and just want to know who it is.Who else is going to just skip to the end to see the announcement?You know, this will be a shame. That's why I'm closing this forum for 25 min and go directly to YouTube. People should watch the whole chapter. And not be... LOL!!! THE DRUMMER IZ XXXX HA-HA! I SKIPPED 2 THE END!!!1
Lol. The anticipation. Oh my the anticipation.
Lol. The anticipation. Oh my the anticipation.
I'm going to be sitting in my 20th Century Theory class counting the minutes till I can get home and watch. This is entirely too much fun. :biggrin:
you shoulda been sick today...**cough...cough** :xbones
Watch this while you wait...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y43CBki2BVE
Lol I quit smoking about a month ago. And this is one of those times that all those god damn smoking pamphlets would call a "trigger". BEW BEW BEWLol. The anticipation. Oh my the anticipation.
sigh... I need a smoke.... ;D
Peter, I would like to take a moment to thank you. Darkane is one of the bands that got me in to metal. While that was almost 6 years ago, if not for you, I might might not be amongst all this excitement today.
Actually, while we're on the subject, on behalf of the forum, I'd like to also like to thank Peter for posting here and giving all kinds of inside scoop to us crazed music fanatics.
Leaving DTF for now. Catch you all after I watch the video :heart
Maybe Bosky can edit the thread title too put a spoiler alert? I dunno... someones gonna make a new thread...or 50.... :lol
The people who are stupid enough to not expect spoilers in this thread deserve to have it spoiled.
Leaving DTF for now. Catch you all after I watch the video :heart
Understandable. Catch you later.Maybe Bosky can edit the thread title too put a spoiler alert? I dunno... someones gonna make a new thread...or 50.... :lol
I already have an official announcement thread ready to go that does NOT have the name in the thread title. Per the sticky I posted, anyone who posts it in the thread title will have their thread immediately deleted and will be temp banned for the rest of the day (or longer, depending on my mood).
I, on the other hand, will be at the forefront of that shitstorm.Golly I'm completely shocked and surprised by this.
:rollin :rollinI, on the other hand, will be at the forefront of that shitstorm.Golly I'm completely shocked and surprised by this.
I, on the other hand, will be at the forefront of that shitstorm.Golly I'm completely shocked and surprised by this.
I love being the forum character.
I love being the forum character.
At the end of the video when they get ready to make the announcement it slowly pans to John Myung who silently stares and then says "Go fuck yourself" ~finwin!
I love being the forum character.Good thing you're feeling some of the love here finally
I, on the other hand, will be at the forefront of that shitstorm.Golly I'm completely shocked and surprised by this.
At the end of the video when they get ready to make the announcement it slowly pans to John Myung who silently stares and then says "Go fuck yourself" ~fin:lol :rollin
WTF???? ARGHHHH it's 11:01AM EST... NOT THERE YET!!! <bangs head on desk>
No one takes any of my troll bait. Mother fucker I'm bored.
At the end of the video when they get ready to make the announcement it slowly pans to John Myung who silently stares and then says "Go fuck yourself" ~fin
dude, its 10:58 for me :D
its pm though I live in Australia
WTF???? ARGHHHH it's 11:01AM EST... NOT THERE YET!!! <bangs head on desk>
Your face is inoculated to my Lat....No one takes any of my troll bait. Mother fucker I'm bored.
We're inoculated to you lat.
:lol I doubt the folks at RR synced their watched with the atomic clock. Patience. It'll be up in a jif'.:rollin :rollin :rollin
Your face is inoculated to my Lat....No one takes any of my troll bait. Mother fucker I'm bored.
We're inoculated to you lat.
WHY ISN'T THE REV AUDITIONING?
well our Domain controllers are synched to the US Naval Observatory, my PC is synched to them so I kinda felt I was safe.... Still gonna go smoke a cig then maybe it will be up. BBLWTF???? ARGHHHH it's 11:01AM EST... NOT THERE YET!!! <bangs head on desk>
according to the time you posted it was 10:57am EST :D
IT'S UP IT'S UPThat's what your mother said, after several hours of dealing with my erectile dysfunction.
(https://i.imgur.com/HOTKv.jpg)Your face is inoculated to my Lat....No one takes any of my troll bait. Mother fucker I'm bored.
We're inoculated to you lat.
WHY ISN'T THE REV AUDITIONING?
My face would own you.
Still not up on dt.net.Was very suprised at this, Im a press release junky lol.
It's up on wiki now.
This is why it wasn't the other MM: https://imgur.com/a/LYMF3
Really cool to see JM talk so much. And I'm liking what he had to say.
john myung smiled with peter holy fuck!!
Wow, Peter was absolutely fantastic.I agree with this statement
It's certainly a good day to be a Dream Theater fan.
Peter you really impressed me. You have a new fan.
dt.net still not updated. :rollin :rollin :rollin
But.......where was the phone call to Marco ? why no mention of what made them choose Mike over Marco.
Now that this is out of the way - here's for another 6 months until we hear anything about/from the new album... :D
I love how Myung was smiling at Peter :)
When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.Me too!
When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.
When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.
They didn't.When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.
Wait, why did they call Marco exactly? I can't watch the video yet because I'm at work. Please fill me in.
They didn't.When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.
Wait, why did they call Marco exactly? I can't watch the video yet because I'm at work. Please fill me in.
They didn't.When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.
Wait, why did they call Marco exactly? I can't watch the video yet because I'm at work. Please fill me in.
I'm stoked. I really am. This new chapter of Dream Theater will be a breath of much needed fresh air, I think. My anticipation for this album just reached sky high.
Peter, I just have to tell you that you're hot! :o
This is why it wasn't the other MM: https://imgur.com/a/LYMF3
I am wondering why they had to wait so long to tell Mangini, and over the phone. What happened? Were they just making their minds up? They don't go into it.
They didn't.When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.
Wait, why did they call Marco exactly? I can't watch the video yet because I'm at work. Please fill me in.
They didn't.When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.
Wait, why did they call Marco exactly? I can't watch the video yet because I'm at work. Please fill me in.
Then what did TheMadgician mean by that?
I was chosen to do the audition for Dream Theater because I played on the solo record of James LaBrie.
Yeah I know they did lol, I just mean they didn't on camera :)They didn't.When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.
Wait, why did they call Marco exactly? I can't watch the video yet because I'm at work. Please fill me in.
Of course they did. They just didn't show it.
And once they showed Mangini praying out loud that it would be him as he was getting ready to make the call, you knew it was him. No way would they show him like that if it wasn't him.
at the end it should have said::rollin :rollin
this feature was a fictional film in no way represents the real life events
director: mike portnoy
at the end it should have said::rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
this feature was a fictional film in no way represents the real life events
director: mike portnoy
I will say this, while Aquiles' audition didn't look the best in some spots, I definitely enjoy him as a drummer the more I've looked into him. I also, felt really bad every time it showed him being all sad when he messed up. He seriously just looked so sad at the end of TDOE. John Petrucci was even like "Dude its THE DANCE OF ETERNITY, IT'S COOL IF IT AIN'T PERFECT BRO"
When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.
Wait, why did they call Marco exactly? I can't watch the video yet because I'm at work. Please fill me in.
at the end it should have said:
this feature was a fictional film in no way represents the real life events
director: mike portnoy
solid choice
i was just kinda mad that mangini wasnt with them at the studio
:clap:
But there is one thing in the video that I very strongly disagree with and have to go on record as correcting:Quote from: Peter WildoerI was chosen to do the audition for Dream Theater because I played on the solo record of James LaBrie.
No way. You were chosen because you are an incredible drummer. And to be mentioned in the final three with Marco Minneman and Mike Mangini...congratulations!
solid choice
i was just kinda mad that mangini wasnt with them at the studio
solid choice
i was just kinda mad that mangini wasnt with them at the studio
I was thinking the same....Hopefully that doesn't mean he was totally excluded from the writing process.
When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.
Wait, why did they call Marco exactly? I can't watch the video yet because I'm at work. Please fill me in.
They didn't call Marco. OR didn't show it. They first showed calling Peter to tell him he unfortunately didn't get it. Then it talks about how hard of a decision it was between Marco and Mangini. Finally they said the decision became clear. They called Mangini. Given they hadn't called Marco yet, I was expecting him to get a no. But it was them telling him he got the job.
- On the phone, he said "Hi, this is JM." HE KNOWS OUR LANGUAGE!!!
Peter, I just have to tell you that you're hot! :o
Me too.
First off, Peter, I wouldn't say this unless I believed it (otherwise I'd just say nothing), but you were honestly my second favorite of the drummers. I felt even more than Marco that you really got the music and the vibe. And I liked how you handled the audition riff they showed. While I'm happy it's Mangini, I was really impressed by what you did, so congrats and I hope this video helps you get more work.
Priester - He just wasn't on DT's level, it's really that simple, which is what a lot of people have been saying. That said though personality-wise I appreciated him. He clearly gave a crap and put a lot of work into it and tried to roll with the audition.
As for the process of picking the guys, it seemed like they did it the right way. I appreciated that JM had a lot to say. I think, though I wasn't there, that while Minnemann impressed them in the moment that as someone to carry on the DT/MP legacy he just wasn't the guy.
And so they picked Mangini. And, just so it's out there, I absolutely 100% support the decision. Out of the seven he was clearly the right guy for the job. I really like his drumming and think DT will take him to the next level. And as a fan I'm really happy they picked someone who was this committed to doing it and for the right reasons.
Because here's the thing. Out of the other six drummers, who else would be that happy to get the gig? Maybe Peter (I can't speak for you on this), but otherwise it just seemed like Mangini wanted it truly deeply. And I want him to have wanted it that much.
And everything he said was just perfect and I believe he'll act on it. While like I've said there are definitely parts of DT's music I wish that were different, I don't want a new drummer to come in and blow it up. I want someone who will respect what MP's done. And yet, Mangini has the maturity and awareness to know he still has to be his own guy in the band and not try to just replace him. And, purely from the video in the documentary, I liked his playing the best.
Maybe it feels more clear to me because I wasn't a fan of Minnemann's audition in terms of how he handled DT's material, but I can't stress enough that I feel zero conflict over this.
So thank you Dream Theater for putting this out there, and I personally thank you for making the choice I loved the most. And congratulations to Mike Mangini, you've earned it in so many ways.
As for the rest of the doc, bummer to see they clearly weren't writing with Mangini, but that's the breaks of having to keep him a secret. Ah well. Two notes both related to Myung:
- On the phone, he said "Hi, this is JM." HE KNOWS OUR LANGUAGE!!!
- When talking about writing the album, he mentioned that he enjoyed the feeling of what it was like to just be with Petrucci as a kid and jam on ideas. That was a place he said he wished he was at on the WDADRU documentary. It's really cool to me that the writing process for this album has created a place where Myung feels comfortable again.
And thus, the doc has accomplished what it's supposed to. I'm glad for the Portnoy years of DT, but a new chapter of DT history is here. I feel like it's DT again, and I really want to see what this version of the band accomplishes.
solid choice
i was just kinda mad that mangini wasnt with them at the studio
I was thinking the same....Hopefully that doesn't mean he was totally excluded from the writing process.
Umm he was there. His sit down interview after the fact was in the studio.
This!
- On the phone, he said "Hi, this is JM." HE KNOWS OUR LANGUAGE!!!
This floored me!! :lol
When they called Mangini before Marco, I thought for sure that was the "you're not it, sorry" call.
Wait, why did they call Marco exactly? I can't watch the video yet because I'm at work. Please fill me in.
They didn't call Marco. OR didn't show it. They first showed calling Peter to tell him he unfortunately didn't get it. Then it talks about how hard of a decision it was between Marco and Mangini. Finally they said the decision became clear. They called Mangini. Given they hadn't called Marco yet, I was expecting him to get a no. But it was them telling him he got the job.
Yeah, it's a bit of a shame that MM likely wasn't part of the writing process, but if he wasn't, maybe he could slip in some ideas during the recording, who knows? Nonetheless, it'll be very exciting to see how much of the old writing chemistry has remained and how much of a new one has come.
Wait........Slowpoke.jpg
Mike Portnoy quit the band ????? :eek
Something to think about, too, is this: there were a number of fans who thought Portnoy should have been let back in when he reached out to them sometime in December, but remember that this whole process had already been completed by then. Were they supposed to tell Mangini, "Oh, sorry, but Mike wants back in, so even though you had to give up your job at Berklee, you're out already."I totally agree! They couldn't have done it differently...
Something to think about, too, is this: there were a number of fans who thought Portnoy should have been let back in when he reached out to them sometime in December, but remember that this whole process had already been completed by then. Were they supposed to tell Mangini, "Oh, sorry, but Mike wants back in, so even though you had to give up your job at Berklee, you're out already."
Yeah, it's a bit of a shame that MM likely wasn't part of the writing process, but if he wasn't, maybe he could slip in some ideas during the recording, who knows? Nonetheless, it'll be very exciting to see how much of the old writing chemistry has remained and how much of a new one has come.
Once again...why would anyone think that he would not be involved with writing?!?!?
Hey lets make a big deal by auditioning all these world class drummers then ban them from the writing process then ask them to just sit there and play everything note for note.
Anyone notice something weird at 4:42?
Anyone notice something weird at 4:42?
Peter played in both James LaBrie and James LeBrie's albums. Both albums were great, although I give the upper hand to the LeBrie album.
Haha yeah I noticed that first time round :)Anyone notice something weird at 4:42?
Peter played in both James LaBrie and James LeBrie's albums. Both albums were great, although I give the upper hand to the LeBrie album.
The expression on JM's face compared to the rest of the guys at 11:40... :rollin :rollin :rollin
Something to think about, too, is this: there were a number of fans who thought Portnoy should have been let back in when he reached out to them sometime in December, but remember that this whole process had already been completed by then. Were they supposed to tell Mangini, "Oh, sorry, but Mike wants back in, so even though you had to give up your job at Berklee, you're out already."
First of all congratulations to Mr. Mangini!!! I was equally eager to know who got it a few days ago so I mailed him and he's the cooles guy ever. :)
THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY!!! Reading your comments are pure energy for my soul. I'm out eating dinner with my job here in Sweden but just wanted to say THANKS! I'll be back...
Cheers,
Peter
And what a classy thing for Mangini to say about carrying on the torch for MP...awesome.
First of all congratulations to Mr. Mangini!!! I was equally eager to know who got it a few days ago so I mailed him and he's the cooles guy ever. :)
THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY!!! Reading your comments are pure energy for my soul. I'm out eating dinner with my job here in Sweden but just wanted to say THANKS! I'll be back...
Cheers,
Peter
Yeah, it's a bit of a shame that MM likely wasn't part of the writing process, but if he wasn't, maybe he could slip in some ideas during the recording, who knows? Nonetheless, it'll be very exciting to see how much of the old writing chemistry has remained and how much of a new one has come.
Once again...why would anyone think that he would not be involved with writing?!?!?
Hey lets make a big deal by auditioning all these world class drummers then ban them from the writing process then ask them to just sit there and play everything note for note.
First of all congratulations to Mr. Mangini!!! I was equally eager to know who got it a few days ago so I mailed him and he's the cooles guy ever. :)
THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY!!! Reading your comments are pure energy for my soul. I'm out eating dinner with my job here in Sweden but just wanted to say THANKS! I'll be back...
Cheers,
Peter
Some Kind Of Monster it was not :biggrin:THANK GOD
Some Kind Of Monster it was not :biggrin:THANK GOD
Even though Thomas Lang was my first choice, Mangini was a close second.
However after watching the musical and personal chemistry of everyone involved, I have no doubts that DT made the right choice.
First of all congratulations to Mr. Mangini!!! I was equally eager to know who got it a few days ago so I mailed him and he's the cooles guy ever. :)Will you be back with James's new solo album in a few years too? ^_^
THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY!!! Reading your comments are pure energy for my soul. I'm out eating dinner with my job here in Sweden but just wanted to say THANKS! I'll be back...
Cheers,
Peter
First of all congratulations to Mr. Mangini!!! I was equally eager to know who got it a few days ago so I mailed him and he's the cooles guy ever. :)
THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY!!! Reading your comments are pure energy for my soul. I'm out eating dinner with my job here in Sweden but just wanted to say THANKS! I'll be back...
Cheers,
Peter
First of all congratulations to Mr. Mangini!!! I was equally eager to know who got it a few days ago so I mailed him and he's the cooles guy ever. :)
THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY!!! Reading your comments are pure energy for my soul. I'm out eating dinner with my job here in Sweden but just wanted to say THANKS! I'll be back...
Cheers,
Peter
First of all congratulations to Mr. Mangini!!! I was equally eager to know who got it a few days ago so I mailed him and he's the cooles guy ever. :)
THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY!!! Reading your comments are pure energy for my soul. I'm out eating dinner with my job here in Sweden but just wanted to say THANKS! I'll be back...
Cheers,
Peter
They really did. I'm willing to bet things are going to feel much faster from here to the release of the album.
On a side note, I'm surprised this thread isn't going faster. I seem to remember ridiculous jumps in posts around the release of either...it was the trailer or episode one. I forget. But it felt so much faster.
there's still a nugget here..there where no part in the video that MM is with them in the studio..
not until there's a conflict in the tour dates of DT with MP..i can still smell Mike Portnoy is written in the leaflet..
and yes, and i'm sure..99% of us are devastated..
*my reply from MP forum..
there's still a nugget here..there where no part in the video that MM is with them in the studio..
not until there's a conflict in the tour dates of DT with MP..i can still smell Mike Portnoy is written in the leaflet..
and yes, and i'm sure..99% of us are devastated..
*my reply from MP forum..
First of all congratulations to Mr. Mangini!!! I was equally eager to know who got it a few days ago so I mailed him and he's the cooles guy ever. :)Man, you're eating dinner... I haven't had lunch yet (mainly because I left it at home) :P
THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY!!! Reading your comments are pure energy for my soul. I'm out eating dinner with my job here in Sweden but just wanted to say THANKS! I'll be back...
Cheers,
Peter
there's still a nugget here..there where no part in the video that MM is with them in the studio..
not until there's a conflict in the tour dates of DT with MP..i can still smell Mike Portnoy is written in the leaflet..
and yes, and i'm sure..99% of us are devastated..
*my reply from MP forum..
They really did. I'm willing to bet things are going to feel much faster from here to the release of the album.
On a side note, I'm surprised this thread isn't going faster. I seem to remember ridiculous jumps in posts around the release of either...it was the trailer or episode one. I forget. But it felt so much faster.
It is a Friday.
there's still a nugget here..there where no part in the video that MM is with them in the studio..
not until there's a conflict in the tour dates of DT with MP..i can still smell Mike Portnoy is written in the leaflet..
and yes, and i'm sure..99% of us are devastated..
*my reply from MP forum..
Okay, so who's ready for the Friday forum theme? :caffeine:PLEASE DEAR GOD NO.
Okay, so who's ready for the Friday forum theme? :caffeine:
there's still a nugget here..there where no part in the video that MM is with them in the studio..
not until there's a conflict in the tour dates of DT with MP..i can still smell Mike Portnoy is written in the leaflet..
and yes, and i'm sure..99% of us are devastated..
*my reply from MP forum..
there's still a nugget here..there where no part in the video that MM is with them in the studio..
not until there's a conflict in the tour dates of DT with MP..i can still smell Mike Portnoy is written in the leaflet..
and yes, and i'm sure..99% of us are devastated..
*my reply from MP forum..
What?
He wasn't "replaced". It was his choice to leave.there's still a nugget here..there where no part in the video that MM is with them in the studio..
not until there's a conflict in the tour dates of DT with MP..i can still smell Mike Portnoy is written in the leaflet..
and yes, and i'm sure..99% of us are devastated..
*my reply from MP forum..
What?
wishful thinking..i still can't believe that MP has been replaced..
He wasn't "replaced". It was his choice to leave.there's still a nugget here..there where no part in the video that MM is with them in the studio..
not until there's a conflict in the tour dates of DT with MP..i can still smell Mike Portnoy is written in the leaflet..
and yes, and i'm sure..99% of us are devastated..
*my reply from MP forum..
What?
wishful thinking..i still can't believe that MP has been replaced..
there's still a nugget here..there where no part in the video that MM is with them in the studio..
not until there's a conflict in the tour dates of DT with MP..i can still smell Mike Portnoy is written in the leaflet..
and yes, and i'm sure..99% of us are devastated..
*my reply from MP forum..
(https://i.imgur.com/bVlH7.jpg)He wasn't "replaced". It was his choice to leave.there's still a nugget here..there where no part in the video that MM is with them in the studio..
not until there's a conflict in the tour dates of DT with MP..i can still smell Mike Portnoy is written in the leaflet..
and yes, and i'm sure..99% of us are devastated..
*my reply from MP forum..
What?
wishful thinking..i still can't believe that MP has been replaced..
leave - replaced - new drummer - it's just wordings..i know it his choice..
again..it's my wishful thinking..i'm not against anybody..it is just i'm not happy..
anyway..it's still mike..and my choice as well..
congrats to mike..
lol clinks
we don't love you anymore
First of all congratulations to Mr. Mangini!!! I was equally eager to know who got it a few days ago so I mailed him and he's the cooles guy ever. :)
THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY!!! Reading your comments are pure energy for my soul. I'm out eating dinner with my job here in Sweden but just wanted to say THANKS! I'll be back...
Cheers,
Peter
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Oh, before I forget, I also have to go on record as saying: As I thought I would be, I was impressed with Priester's drumming and the band's reaction to him. He obviously worked really hard to prepare, really wanted it badly, and really took it personally when he messed up. I couldn't help but like him, root for him, and feel bad when he messed up. Really special guy. I will definitely want to follow him in the future.
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So close...
Oh, before I forget, I also have to go on record as saying: As I thought I would be, I was impressed with Priester's drumming and the band's reaction to him. He obviously worked really hard to prepare, really wanted it badly, and really took it personally when he messed up. I couldn't help but like him, root for him, and feel bad when he messed up. Really special guy. I will definitely want to follow him in the future.
Oh, before I forget, I also have to go on record as saying: As I thought I would be, I was impressed with Priester's drumming and the band's reaction to him. He obviously worked really hard to prepare, really wanted it badly, and really took it personally when he messed up. I couldn't help but like him, root for him, and feel bad when he messed up. Really special guy. I will definitely want to follow him in the future.I feel the same about Peter, except he didn't really mess up (as it seems) - I only knew him thanks to SI before, but really, his incredible audition made me feel even worse about him not being the new drummer, despite the fact Mangini is my favorite. Can't wait to see Peter in more projects in the future, hopefully including a few more solo albums from JLB.
Not sure if anyone will catch this stuff other than me and Lonestar, but I would be willing to bet that somebody who worked on this video is a Food Network fan. The split screen and fadeout effect of the final 3 is right from Chopped. Also, when they are deliberating and discussing the pros and cons of the guys, the percussion sound effects in the background (one cymbal wash where there are positive comments and a different cymbal wash for negative ones) are right out of Chopped and Iron Chef America.
Oh, before I forget, I also have to go on record as saying: As I thought I would be, I was impressed with Priester's drumming and the band's reaction to him. He obviously worked really hard to prepare, really wanted it badly, and really took it personally when he messed up. I couldn't help but like him, root for him, and feel bad when he messed up. Really special guy. I will definitely want to follow him in the future.
Not sure if anyone will catch this stuff other than me and Lonestar, but I would be willing to bet that somebody who worked on this video is a Food Network fan. The split screen and fadeout effect of the final 3 is right from Chopped. Also, when they are deliberating and discussing the pros and cons of the guys, the percussion sound effects in the background (one cymbal wash where there are positive comments and a different cymbal wash for negative ones) are right out of Chopped and Iron Chef America.
Oh boy.... you and my GF would get along famously..... :rollin
Oh, before I forget, I also have to go on record as saying: As I thought I would be, I was impressed with Priester's drumming and the band's reaction to him. He obviously worked really hard to prepare, really wanted it badly, and really took it personally when he messed up. I couldn't help but like him, root for him, and feel bad when he messed up. Really special guy. I will definitely want to follow him in the future.
I felt the same bosk. You get invested when you get attached in any way like meeting the person or him corresponding online.
Can someone please post a link to the video, other than Youtube? I'm at school and I don't have access to Youtube!
Can someone please post a link to the video, other than Youtube? I'm at school and I don't have access to Youtube!
It's only available via RR's YouTube right now. Sorry dude.
Can someone please post a link to the video, other than Youtube? I'm at school and I don't have access to Youtube!
It's only available via RR's YouTube right now. Sorry dude.
Ah! Ok, man...thanks! I'll check it out tonight. How long is the video?
Can someone please post a link to the video, other than Youtube? I'm at school and I don't have access to Youtube!
It's only available via RR's YouTube right now. Sorry dude.
Ah! Ok, man...thanks! I'll check it out tonight. How long is the video?
It's funny how DT's Manager keeps hugging drummers but hasn't saying a single word.. lol
It's funny how DT's Manager keeps hugging drummers but hasn't saying a single word.. lol
Can someone please post a link to the video, other than Youtube? I'm at school and I don't have access to Youtube!
It's only available via RR's YouTube right now. Sorry dude.
Ah! Ok, man...thanks! I'll check it out tonight. How long is the video?
21:10
...Man I wish they dragged it out two second more.
Aand ninja'd
john myung smiled with peter holy fuck!!That was what caught my attention, too :)
Honestly, DT.net's ability to keep up with DT news is the reason I joined DTF.But... what about the good sex?
Not sure if anyone will catch this stuff other than me and Lonestar, but I would be willing to bet that somebody who worked on this video is a Food Network fan. The split screen and fadeout effect of the final 3 is right from Chopped. Also, when they are deliberating and discussing the pros and cons of the guys, the percussion sound effects in the background (one cymbal wash where there are positive comments and a different cymbal wash for negative ones) are right out of Chopped and Iron Chef America.
Oh boy.... you and my GF would get along famously..... :rollin
I work where the sound gets done for chopped. I assure you they didn't also work on this documentary
Oh, before I forget, I also have to go on record as saying: As I thought I would be, I was impressed with Priester's drumming and the band's reaction to him. He obviously worked really hard to prepare, really wanted it badly, and really took it personally when he messed up. I couldn't help but like him, root for him, and feel bad when he messed up. Really special guy. I will definitely want to follow him in the future.
I strongly recommend you "Temple of Shadows" by Angra.
Amazing album, amazing drumming. :tup
It's funny how DT's Manager keeps hugging drummers but hasn't saying a single word.. lol
Lots of bromance going on :biggrin:
Oh, before I forget, I also have to go on record as saying: As I thought I would be, I was impressed with Priester's drumming and the band's reaction to him. He obviously worked really hard to prepare, really wanted it badly, and really took it personally when he messed up. I couldn't help but like him, root for him, and feel bad when he messed up. Really special guy. I will definitely want to follow him in the future.
I strongly recommend you "Temple of Shadows" by Angra.
Amazing album, amazing drumming. :tup
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7973.msg864883#msg864883
Go. Nao.
At last! We have 4 serious man and one crying girl
what a chioce!
At last! We have 4 serious man and one crying girlYep, they made the correct chioce, whatever it means :P
what a chioce!
At last! We have 4 serious man and one crying girl
what a chioce!
At last! We have 4 serious man and one crying girlI don't know how to take this :lol
what a chioce!
That said, I just really have to tip my hat to Mr. Wildoer. I have to admit, man (if you read this), that at the beginning of all this, you were way down my list, because I'm not into the screamed vocals, nor am I a big fan of Static Impulse (largely because of the screamed vocals and the extreme metal elements). But your audition, Wildoer, was phenomenal, and as somebody really into the metal side of DT (Train of Thought and the last two albums), I was really blown away. I can see why James and the guys hold you in such high regard. So, even if the harsh vocals you tend to favor aren't my thing, your musical ability certainly impresses me, as does the fact that you're here sharing your experiences about an audition that didn't even result in success for you. That's just fuckin' awesome, man, and I wish you nothing but success.
Does anyone else get the feeling that DT really loved these drummers so much that we're about to see a big array of side-projects? There's speculation about Marco already, and basically every drummer said that they'd love to make music with DT at some point. It'll be interesting to see.I would've liked to see some colaboration with both Minnemann, Wildoer and Lang (and maybe also some crazy stuff with Donati)...
OK guys here is Mike Mangini on Discovery looking at his drums in slow motion
https://img254.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=095797186_1234_122_479lo.JPG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Gxut0odyc
Just imagine how would the other members react on that?
Petrucci would just smile and say it's "f***ing incredible"
Miyung would probably say nothing or just nod
Rudess would also be pretty calm about it
even LaBrie wouldn't act as if he is having a heart attack
Aquilles Priester was torn to shreds here
I suppose you are right bosk,i take back that comment.Aquilles Priester was torn to shreds here
??? No he wasn't. I and some others said he wasn't going to be the drummer, but I don't think anyone even remotely "tore him to shreds." The worst criticism I can recall hearing is that some found him to be "mechanical," but that's hardly a harsh criticism.
Aquilles Priester was torn to shreds here
??? No he wasn't. I and some others said he wasn't going to be the drummer, but I don't think anyone even remotely "tore him to shreds." The worst criticism I can recall hearing is that some found him to be "mechanical," but that's hardly a harsh criticism.
Oh, I almost forgot: Eddie Trunk, you are a dick.This. Absolutely.
Oh, before I forget, I also have to go on record as saying: As I thought I would be, I was impressed with Priester's drumming and the band's reaction to him. He obviously worked really hard to prepare, really wanted it badly, and really took it personally when he messed up. I couldn't help but like him, root for him, and feel bad when he messed up. Really special guy. I will definitely want to follow him in the future.
I strongly recommend you "Temple of Shadows" by Angra.
Amazing album, amazing drumming. :tup
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7973.msg864883#msg864883
Go. Nao.
Oh, I almost forgot: Eddie Trunk, you are a dick.This. Absolutely.
we saw Peter there dominating and making JM smileThat was possibly my favorite part of the video - when you're seeing JM smile about someone else's playing, you know it's gotta be good!
He leaked the drummer announcement about...a month ago.
Also, right now, I'm calling them announcing being done with recording on 5/8
Eddie Trunk, you are a dick.
So, what's everybody's guess? Did MP watch the videos? It would be like watching your ex-gf dating another dude.I actually would like him to comment on those videos. very unlikely, though.
rumborak
The news of the day: John Myung smiles. At 6:37 in the video, to be precise. Congrats to Mike Mangini but the true maestro is Peter Wildoer who has done something that no man has ever before, he has made JM smile.
We need just 12 morepeoplelurkers and we break the september record!
So, what's everybody's guess? Did MP watch the videos? It would be like watching your ex-gf dating another dude.
rumborak
OK guys here is Mike Mangini on Discovery looking at his drums in slow motion
https://img254.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=095797186_1234_122_479lo.JPG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Gxut0odyc
Just imagine how would the other members react on that?
Petrucci would just smile and say it's "f***ing incredible"
Miyung would probably say nothing or just nod
Rudess would also be pretty calm about it
even LaBrie wouldn't act as if he is having a heart attack
If you're saying Mangini doesen't deserve his spot in DT because he "isn't enough man" or "too emotional" you can take your opinions elsewhere. Emotion is only positive when playing music. Mangini definitely deserves his place in Dream Theater. Fantastic!
The news of the day: John Myung smiles. At 6:37 in the video, to be precise. Congrats to Mike Mangini but the true maestro is Peter Wildoer who has done something that no man has ever before, he has made JM smile.
We need just 12 morepeoplelurkers and we break the september record!
Not only did he make JM smile... he got a HUG outta him!!!! :omg: :omg: :omg:
MP come back! :'-(
After you left her there hot and ready to go....walking out the front door and leaving it open.....and putting a sign in the front yard saying 'My wife needs to have sex now...Please go do that for me'So, what's everybody's guess? Did MP watch the videos? It would be like watching your ex-gf dating another dude.
rumborak
I was thinking something more hardcore
Like other dudes f*cking your wife in the home you built.
And what a classy thing for Mangini to say about carrying on the torch for MP...awesome.
So, what's everybody's guess? Did MP watch the videos? It would be like watching your ex-gf dating another dude.
rumborak
Oh, I almost forgot: Eddie Trunk, you are a dick.This. Absolutely.
I'm still baffled by Jordan's "You did a fucking great job."
I would never have expected him to say anything like that :omg:
I'm still baffled by Jordan's "You did a fucking great job."Yeah he looks like he was going to say "You messed up get the fuck outta here" :lol
I would never have expected him to say anything like that :omg:
'DT and I have a great musical vibe. But DT also need a guy who fits the band as a person, like a casting. AND someone who's ready to fully commit! I really just went in and had fun:-) and it was great and we're already planning some future projects together. I wish though I had the chance to ok the footage. I wasn't prepared to end up in a reality show:-). Have fun and thanks again from the bottom of my heart.Marco'
yeah, that made me laugh, he sounds VERY ANGRY :lolI'm still baffled by Jordan's "You did a fucking great job."
I would never have expected him to say anything like that :omg:
he sounds like angry on that line :lol
'DT and I have a great musical vibe. But DT also need a guy who fits the band as a person, like a casting. AND someone who's ready to fully commit! I really just went in and had fun:-) and it was great and we're already planning some future projects together. I wish though I had the chance to ok the footage. I wasn't prepared to end up in a reality show:-). Have fun and thanks again from the bottom of my heart.Marco'
'DT and I have a great musical vibe. But DT also need a guy who fits the band as a person, like a casting. AND someone who's ready to fully commit! I really just went in and had fun:-) and it was great and we're already planning some future projects together. I wish though I had the chance to ok the footage. I wasn't prepared to end up in a reality show:-). Have fun and thanks again from the bottom of my heart.Marco'
You know, the part about the future projects with some guys of DT (most likely JP and JR) really makes me think that this is the best outcome for everyone. MM got what he aimed for and what he wanted so dearly, and MaMi still gets to have fun with some of the guys in a side project or something like that without having to commit to the extent he would have to in DT. That way, none of the two would be let down and we'll be getting some great music out of it as well.
. . . dearly, and MaMi still gets to have fun . . . .
Ok, I gotta be honest here. I don't even get why DT bothered to invite Aquiles. Angra is 100% power metal, and DT is 0%.Nonsense.
Ok, I gotta be honest here. I don't even get why DT bothered to invite Aquiles. Angra is 100% power metal, and DT is 0%.Nonsense.
DT's sound is very much rooted in power metal. Today, I'd say DT is at least 25% power metal.
rumborak
Nonsense.
DT's sound is very much rooted in power metal. Today, I'd say DT is at least 25% power metal.
Ok, I gotta be honest here. I don't even get why DT bothered to invite Aquiles. Angra is 100% power metal, and DT is 0%.Nonsense.
DT's sound is very much rooted in power metal. Today, I'd say DT is at least 25% power metal.
rumborak
No, they're officially MM and MM.. . . dearly, and MaMi still gets to have fun . . . .
So the offical names are MiMa and MaMi?
Nonsense.
DT's sound is very much rooted in power metal. Today, I'd say DT is at least 25% power metal.
You've made three posts and I've hated two of them now.
. . . dearly, and MaMi still gets to have fun . . . .
So the offical names are MiMa and MaMi?
I don't agree that Eddie Trunk is a dick.
I think most of you misinterpreted the purpose of these videos.
The main goal was preparing fans for Mangini, not to surprise them
with a reality show. That is why he was the first drummer in the auditions.
They wanted us to think on choosing a drummer, like they did,
so that we can understand why they chose Mangini.
And it worked. I can really understand why Mangini is the guy they needed.
and I'm a happy fan.
So, Trunk didn't ruin the surprise because it wasn't meant to be a surprise.
even john myung calls himself JMI call him JMX.
This. *Shakes head* New guys, eh?
only official members get the two initial call letters
MM = mangini
even john myung calls himself JM
Ok, I gotta be honest here. I don't even get why DT bothered to invite Aquiles. Angra is 100% power metal, and DT is 0%.Nonsense.
DT's sound is very much rooted in power metal. Today, I'd say DT is at least 25% power metal.
rumborak
Especially when he's judging Mangini based on hearing ONE album where he plays.Ok, I gotta be honest here. I don't even get why DT bothered to invite Aquiles. Angra is 100% power metal, and DT is 0%.Nonsense.
DT's sound is very much rooted in power metal. Today, I'd say DT is at least 25% power metal.
rumborak
I have zero tolerance for power metal. Trust me, DT is not power metal.
rumborak
Nonsense.
DT's sound is very much rooted in power metal. Today, I'd say DT is at least 25% power metal.
You've made three posts and I've hated two of them now.
How can DT's sound be "rooted" in power metal when power metal didn't even exist until after DT?
Ok, I gotta be honest here. I don't even get why DT bothered to invite Aquiles. Angra is 100% power metal, and DT is 0%.Nonsense.
DT's sound is very much rooted in power metal. Today, I'd say DT is at least 25% power metal.
rumborak
I have zero tolerance for power metal. Trust me, DT is not power metal.
rumborak
Ok, I gotta be honest here. I don't even get why DT bothered to invite Aquiles. Angra is 100% power metal, and DT is 0%.Nonsense.
DT's sound is very much rooted in power metal. Today, I'd say DT is at least 25% power metal.
rumborak
I have zero tolerance for power metal. Trust me, DT is not power metal.
rumborak
I just have to point this out.I noticed that too! :lol
11:37 of Part 3 of the doc. They're watching clips of Marco playing on the laptop.
James: :D
Petrucci: :D
Jordan: :D
Myung: -___-
It made me lol :lol
Why was Petrucci bleeped when he said 'fuck' in the first episode, but Jordan wasn't bleeped in this one?Because Jordan's a wizard.
Ok, I gotta be honest here. I don't even get why DT bothered to invite Aquiles. Angra is 100% power metal, and DT is 0%.Nonsense.
DT's sound is very much rooted in power metal. Today, I'd say DT is at least 25% power metal.
rumborak
I have zero tolerance for power metal. Trust me, DT is not power metal.
rumborak
I agree with Rumborak... DT is not power metal... Amon Armath is power metal.
Bears can't do magic. They don't store up mana. Wizards, on the other hand... :rudess:olol
EDIT: And ninjas are even worse. :reapsta:
I just have to point this out.I noticed that too! :lol
11:37 of Part 3 of the doc. They're watching clips of Marco playing on the laptop.
James: :D
Petrucci: :D
Jordan: :D
Myung: -___-
It made me lol :lol
... Amon Armath isThis. Amon Amarth are friggin' awesome.powermotherfuckin viking metal. :metal :metal
Hey Steve. One of your epic DT wallpapers with all five members, but now with Mangini. Make it happen! ;)
Hey Steve. One of your epic DT wallpapers with all five members, but now with Mangini. Make it happen! ;)
So, Trunk didn't ruin the surprise because it wasn't meant to be a surprise.
Ok, I gotta be honest here. I don't even get why DT bothered to invite Aquiles. Angra is 100% power metal, and DT is 0%.Nonsense.
DT's sound is very much rooted in power metal. Today, I'd say DT is at least 25% power metal.
rumborak
I have zero tolerance for power metal. Trust me, DT is not power metal.
rumborak
I agree with Rumborak... DT is not power metal... Amon Armath is power metal.
Hey Steve. One of your epic DT wallpapers with all five members, but now with Mangini. Make it happen! ;)
Here's a pic of MM and his monster.
https://ow.ly/i/aW37
That's awesome isn't it ?Here's a pic of MM and his monster.
https://ow.ly/i/aW37
Wow.
Somebody, quick! Photoshop something awesome inbetween Mangini's outstretched hands!
Somebody, quick! Photoshop something awesome inbetween Mangini's outstretched hands!
A bass!
(https://static.ow.ly/photos/original/aW37.jpg)I so don't want to be his drum tech! :lol
Wow.
I so don't want to be his drum tech! :lol
I have to say, after seeing that pic, my opinion on whether Mike is a good fit for DT is changing for the worse.Why ? :|
I have to say, after seeing that pic, my opinion on whether Mike is a good fit for DT is changing for the worse.
I have to say, after seeing that pic, my opinion on whether Mike is a good fit for DT is changing for the worse.What do you mean?
I mean, the dude has had like 6 months to prepare now, and yet he STILL has not grown a beard and dyed it some unnatural color. What kind of DT drummer is he?
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Wow.
... Oh man.
I mean, the dude has had like 6 months to prepare now, and yet he STILL has not grown a beard and dyed it some unnatural color. What kind of DT drummer is he?Successful troll is successful
The other auditionees' headsSomebody, quick! Photoshop something awesome inbetween Mangini's outstretched hands!
A bass!
DT isn't really power metal, but they do go in that direction occasionally. JLB's early vocals are fairly power metal-influenced. And some SC/BCSL has a power metal vibe.
Just saw the 3rd part of the documentry, did I just see Mangini orgasm? :lol
DT isn't really power metal, but they do go in that direction occasionally. JLB's early vocals are fairly power metal-influenced. And some SC/BCSL has a power metal vibe.
DT goes in a lot of different directions occasionally.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/dimitrius21/1e219104.jpg):lol
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Peter Wildoer you did a great job on the audition man, love your style :)I was sooooo pulling for him! Until 'Static Impulse' came out I wouldn't have been able to pick Peter out of a 2 man lineup.....but that CD immediatley made me look up and listen to his performances. Just an incredible drummer!!! Those guys obviously were impressed by Mr. Wildoer...I mean JMX was grinning ear to ear....and JP was floored. Just wasn't meant to be at the moment but I'm willing to be that Peter will conspire with some DT folk in the future and create some killer music.
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Just saw the 3rd part of the documentry, did I just see Mangini orgasm? :lol
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r215/dimitrius21/1e219104.jpg)
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So I'm re-watching the 3rd video and I noticed that James, while talking about Priester, said that he (priester) writes the vocals and melodies for the bands he's in which is obviously very different than what DT does.
..............what?
So I'm re-watching the 3rd video and I noticed that James, while talking about Priester, said that he (priester) writes the vocals and melodies for the bands he's in which is obviously very different than what DT does.
..............what?
So I'm re-watching the 3rd video and I noticed that James, while talking about Priester, said that he (priester) writes the vocals and melodies for the bands he's in which is obviously very different than what DT does.
..............what?
I think what he was saying is that in his bands, Aquiles is a one-man show when it comes to the writing, whereas in DT, they write primarily by jamming together.
I can understand that. It just sounded like "Here in DT land, we don't let our drummer write lyrics/vocals". It was just a funny choice of phrase, that's all. :)
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(https://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6999/mangini.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxE2GGE6SDY
This is the best Mangini video :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxE2GGE6SDY
This is the best Mangini video :)
Considering the emphasis on the drummer's ability to jam (akin to being in a writing scenario), I think MM will have quite a bit of input in the writing of the album (and his drum parts). They welcomed him as a member of the family, not an adopted brother. I'm sure DT wanted a guy who could mesh well into their existing writing dynamic, as opposed to writing an album and say "play this".
Not sure if anyone will catch this stuff other than me and Lonestar, but I would be willing to bet that somebody who worked on this video is a Food Network fan. The split screen and fadeout effect of the final 3 is right from Chopped. Also, when they are deliberating and discussing the pros and cons of the guys, the percussion sound effects in the background (one cymbal wash where there are positive comments and a different cymbal wash for negative ones) are right out of Chopped and Iron Chef America.Agreed, and the voice over work is very food networkish too.
Considering the emphasis on the drummer's ability to jam (akin to being in a writing scenario), I think MM will have quite a bit of input in the writing of the album (and his drum parts). They welcomed him as a member of the family, not an adopted brother. I'm sure DT wanted a guy who could mesh well into their existing writing dynamic, as opposed to writing an album and say "play this".
I agree. But since they needed to keep his identity under wraps, I don't think they wanted him walking in and out of the studio every day. The moment he got down there to record drum tracks, word that he was seen near the studio got on the internet.
Considering the emphasis on the drummer's ability to jam (akin to being in a writing scenario), I think MM will have quite a bit of input in the writing of the album (and his drum parts). They welcomed him as a member of the family, not an adopted brother. I'm sure DT wanted a guy who could mesh well into their existing writing dynamic, as opposed to writing an album and say "play this".
I agree. But since they needed to keep his identity under wraps, I don't think they wanted him walking in and out of the studio every day. The moment he got down there to record drum tracks, word that he was seen near the studio got on the internet.
He was there. He was just careful about getting in and out. And people did what they were supposed to and kept a lid on it.
Perhaps this has been mentioned before, but I'm hoping that some of the "jamming" material and the riffs from the auditions end up on the next DT album.I think it was all exclusively formed for the auditions. But don't worry, the guys can jam again and again :P
Hey there!
Just got back home. Re-watched the video, what an amazing last episode. Once again congratulations to MM!!!
THANKS TO ALL OF YOU for your kind words, means a lot to me!!! :heart I've been reading through all the posts here briefly and I'm sorry if I don't answer if you had any specific questions but please post them and I'll try to answer asap.
One thing I remember someone asked is when we got the notification. All drummers talked to the DT guys on the same day, that's when you can see MM and me talking on the phone getting our decisions (his a bit different than mine ;) ), and that was on November 5th.
Cheers and it's been cool hanging out here at DTF and I'm looking forward to more interesting discussions.
can RR please release MM playing one of the three songs in its entirety? PLEASEI hope if they do release a DVD of this, it has all 3 song performances by everyone! I'm especially intrigued to hear Lang's TDoE.
Perhaps this has been mentioned before, but I'm hoping that some of the "jamming" material and the riffs from the auditions end up on the next DT album.
@Peter: Regarding the notification, was everything that we saw about that spontaneous? Or were you told, and then they did a conversation with the cameras rolling as if it was the first time you heard when you actually already knew?
Thank You for all the updates and giving us an insider's perspective on the whole auditioning process :)
Also, After listening to some of Darkane's material I just wanted to say that you've earned yourself another fan Mr Wildoer!
Keep on rocking and best regards :metal
-William
Did anyone notice Peter's t-shirt when he received the call from the band?
"More Cowbell" :lol :lol
@Peter: You definitely deserved to be in the top 3 choices. I love your playing and vocals on James latest solo record and I look forward to checking out some Darkane as well. Keep up the great work!
:tup
I felt so bad for him when he did his slip up and I just wanted the band to be like "You know what? We're playing it again" just to see him nail it
I felt so bad for him when he did his slip up and I just wanted the band to be like "You know what? We're playing it again" just to see him nail it
That was when Jordan was all like "You did a fucking great job." He sounded almost angry when he said it, but I guess he was just trying to get across to Aquiles that he shouldn't feel bad at all.
First off, Peter, I wouldn't say this unless I believed it (otherwise I'd just say nothing), but you were honestly my second favorite of the drummers. I felt even more than Marco that you really got the music and the vibe. And I liked how you handled the audition riff they showed. While I'm happy it's Mangini, I was really impressed by what you did, so congrats and I hope this video helps you get more work.Just have to quote this post because it's brilliant and absolutely spot on. Mangini was probably my third favourite of the lot, but my top 3 were so close and, frankly, he is easily the best fit for the band.
Priester - He just wasn't on DT's level, it's really that simple, which is what a lot of people have been saying. That said though personality-wise I appreciated him. He clearly gave a crap and put a lot of work into it and tried to roll with the audition.
As for the process of picking the guys, it seemed like they did it the right way. I appreciated that JM had a lot to say. I think, though I wasn't there, that while Minnemann impressed them in the moment that as someone to carry on the DT/MP legacy he just wasn't the guy.
And so they picked Mangini. And, just so it's out there, I absolutely 100% support the decision. Out of the seven he was clearly the right guy for the job. I really like his drumming and think DT will take him to the next level. And as a fan I'm really happy they picked someone who was this committed to doing it and for the right reasons.
Because here's the thing. Out of the other six drummers, who else would be that happy to get the gig? Maybe Peter (I can't speak for you on this), but otherwise it just seemed like Mangini wanted it truly deeply. And I want him to have wanted it that much.
And everything he said was just perfect and I believe he'll act on it. While like I've said there are definitely parts of DT's music I wish that were different, I don't want a new drummer to come in and blow it up. I want someone who will respect what MP's done. And yet, Mangini has the maturity and awareness to know he still has to be his own guy in the band and not try to just replace him. And, purely from the video in the documentary, I liked his playing the best.
Maybe it feels more clear to me because I wasn't a fan of Minnemann's audition in terms of how he handled DT's material, but I can't stress enough that I feel zero conflict over this.
So thank you Dream Theater for putting this out there, and I personally thank you for making the choice I loved the most. And congratulations to Mike Mangini, you've earned it in so many ways.
As for the rest of the doc, bummer to see they clearly weren't writing with Mangini, but that's the breaks of having to keep him a secret. Ah well. Two notes both related to Myung:
- On the phone, he said "Hi, this is JM." HE KNOWS OUR LANGUAGE!!!
- When talking about writing the album, he mentioned that he enjoyed the feeling of what it was like to just be with Petrucci as a kid and jam on ideas. That was a place he said he wished he was at on the WDADRU documentary. It's really cool to me that the writing process for this album has created a place where Myung feels comfortable again.
And thus, the doc has accomplished what it's supposed to. I'm glad for the Portnoy years of DT, but a new chapter of DT history is here. I feel like it's DT again, and I really want to see what this version of the band accomplishes.
I don't get the love for Mangini. He's pretty much just Mike Portnoy imo. Nothing special, nothing new.
WTF?
I LOVE it when he puts on the DT cap. Such a great moment.I felt giddy for him when he did that.
The way he walked up to him like a boss and said it, I thought he was gonna kill him!
At first i wasn't amused with all the suspense when they announced these videos. Then as I watched them I grew to like them. I appreciate the band for putting these videos together and entertaining us with the whole process.....BUT....I just got home and went to the DT website to click on the link for the 3rd episode to finalize all the built up suspense ......AND DT writes who won above the link....thanks DT! I would have liked to watch it for myself but you killed it!
I'm sure it's been posted before and most people have seen it but for those newcomers who haven't, the essential Mike Mangini drum solo from the Steve Vai tour, in my opinion one of the greatest solos of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe8XKgOuNtk
BTW Peter, a question: How is your name pronounced for real? Is it like in the video, or did you just anglicize it for that moment?
I'm sure it's been posted before and most people have seen it but for those newcomers who haven't, the essential Mike Mangini drum solo from the Steve Vai tour, in my opinion one of the greatest solos of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe8XKgOuNtk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GXRzoJbiI&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Mangini playing some more straight up Rock Stuff. :biggrin:
Perhaps this has been mentioned before, but I'm hoping that some of the "jamming" material and the riffs from the auditions end up on the next DT album.I think it was all exclusively formed for the auditions. But don't worry, the guys can jam again and again :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GXRzoJbiI&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Mangini playing some more straight up Rock Stuff. :biggrin:
Pretty fast with one hand on 2:12 :omg:
I don't know how difficult that is if you're a good drummer, but it looks crazy...
I don't know what this means, but I think I'm happier about Mangini joining the band in this moment than I was sad about Portnoy leaving when it happened.I know what you mean. I was taken aback by Portnoy leaving, but I'm always interested in change, so I wouldn't say I was sad as such, and there was a silver lining with them taking it forward and doing something a little different.
I don't know what this means, but I think I'm happier about Mangini joining the band in this moment than I was sad about Portnoy leaving when it happened.I know what you mean. I was taken aback by Portnoy leaving, but I'm always interested in change, so I wouldn't say I was sad as such, and there was a silver lining with them taking it forward and doing something a little different.
Whereas this time there is no downside. It's just all round brilliant.
I'm still feeling both, to be honest. Portnoy's drumming is fantastic, and he really brought a lot to DT's sound. I'm thrilled with Mangini in the band, but I still have a sense of sadness and trepidation about hearing a new DT album with someone other than him on drums. Again, I'm thrilled about Mangini, and the documentary has just been the most incredible way to get to know him and be comfortable with him. It worked. But as even Mangini has acknowledged, Portnoy has a legacy with this band that I for one will miss despite my excitement about hearing how their sound will evolve with Mangini on drums.
I'm still feeling both, to be honest. Portnoy's drumming is fantastic, and he really brought a lot to DT's sound. I'm thrilled with Mangini in the band, but I still have a sense of sadness and trepidation about hearing a new DT album with someone other than him on drums. Again, I'm thrilled about Mangini, and the documentary has just been the most incredible way to get to know him and be comfortable with him. It worked. But as even Mangini has acknowledged, Portnoy has a legacy with this band that I for one will miss despite my excitement about hearing how their sound will evolve with Mangini on drums.
I'm still feeling both, to be honest. Portnoy's drumming is fantastic, and he really brought a lot to DT's sound. I'm thrilled with Mangini in the band, but I still have a sense of sadness and trepidation about hearing a new DT album with someone other than him on drums. Again, I'm thrilled about Mangini, and the documentary has just been the most incredible way to get to know him and be comfortable with him. It worked. But as even Mangini has acknowledged, Portnoy has a legacy with this band that I for one will miss despite my excitement about hearing how their sound will evolve with Mangini on drums.
I'm still feeling both, to be honest. Portnoy's drumming is fantastic, and he really brought a lot to DT's sound. I'm thrilled with Mangini in the band, but I still have a sense of sadness and trepidation about hearing a new DT album with someone other than him on drums. Again, I'm thrilled about Mangini, and the documentary has just been the most incredible way to get to know him and be comfortable with him. It worked. But as even Mangini has acknowledged, Portnoy has a legacy with this band that I for one will miss despite my excitement about hearing how their sound will evolve with Mangini on drums.
I LOVE it when he puts on the DT cap. Such a great moment.
And a JM Twitter would be amazing.
A lot of stuff.
And a JM Twitter would be amazing.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16833.0
But I am simultaneously a Dream Theater fan, a Mike Portnoy fan, and a Mike Mangini fan. And something about that combination just makes for mixed feelings that are a combination of deep sadness, wild excitement, and a bunch of other stuff all mixed together.
(https://i.imgur.com/XQaf4.png)
:rollin :rollin
And a JM Twitter would be amazing.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16833.0
"Well, it's been a very exciting day for all of us in Dream Theater and we are happy to finally share the news that Mike Mangini is our new drummer! He is not only a beast of a player but an incredible person as well who truly and fully understands and values everything that we strive to be as a band. Thank you for being so patient and incredibly supportive to us throughout the years and especially over the last several months. Thank you for your faith in us and your immediate and practically across-the-board acceptance of Mike Mangini as our new drummer. Thank you for the positive words about the documentary and all of your passion and dedication. The movie is our gift and our invitation into something that would traditionally be very private and I appreciate everyone's sensitivity towards that. There's a lot of work to be done, so back to the studio. JM finished tracking bass today and Jordan is recording as I type. Things are real busy around here. Can't wait for everyone to hear the new music and to begin playing live with Mike!
God Bless,
John "
Aquiles Priester reminds me of Tommy Wiseau. That is all
Aquiles Priester reminds me of Tommy Wiseau. That is all
Oh, before I forget, I also have to go on record as saying: As I thought I would be, I was impressed with Priester's drumming and the band's reaction to him. He obviously worked really hard to prepare, really wanted it badly, and really took it personally when he messed up. I couldn't help but like him, root for him, and feel bad when he messed up. Really special guy. I will definitely want to follow him in the future.
I strongly recommend you "Temple of Shadows" by Angra.
Amazing album, amazing drumming. :tup
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7973.msg864883#msg864883
Go. Nao.
Ok, I gotta be honest here. I don't even get why DT bothered to invite Aquiles. Angra is 100% power metal, and DT is 0%.
rumborak
the worst part of the doc was not because they only showed like 5 total minutes of the actual songs, it was the SAME part. the begiinning of ANTR and DOE were shown like all seven times
the worst part of the doc was not because they only showed like 5 total minutes of the actual songs, it was the SAME part. the begiinning of ANTR and DOE were shown like all seven times
To be fair, they also showed the last 10 seconds of TDOE and some random 3 second bit of TSCO for a few of them.
Sorry if this has been posted already.
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Even though the drumming isn't crazy in this part, I wanted to see some Beautiful Agony. xD
Sorry if this has been posted already.
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Yeah...not really funny.
Sorry if this has been posted already.
(https://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkg4vyKwFr1qfwul3o1_500.png)
Yeah...not really funny.
almost nothing with those stupid troll faces ever is.
How soon do you think Portnoy was informed about the new drummer? Do you think he was informed at all?
Aside from the early reports of Mangini as their pick did anyone else find that the significantly more time dedicated to him in the videos as kind of a giveaway? I mean he got nearly a whole ten minutes compared to everyone else who ranged from three to five minutes of time.Yeah, I did. Then again, maybe it was just because he was first too and they wanted to show more of the process.
Aside from the early reports of Mangini as their pick did anyone else find that the significantly more time dedicated to him in the videos as kind of a giveaway? I mean he got nearly a whole ten minutes compared to everyone else who ranged from three to five minutes of time.
For no other reason to throw in my two cents, I am really excited to hear the new album. I liked the chemistry that MM had with the band and his attitude and humility is amazingly refreshing.
I'm also grateful to "discover" other great drummers that I wasn't as familiar with. I look forward to their future projects as well.
Great day for DT specifically and drumming generally!
:rollin I cracked up. I guess I have a different sense of humor than some other people here. :|Sorry if this has been posted already.
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Yeah...not really funny.
almost nothing with those stupid troll faces ever is.
That is Forever Alone face, not Troll face.
Aside from the early reports of Mangini as their pick did anyone else find that the significantly more time dedicated to him in the videos as kind of a giveaway? I mean he got nearly a whole ten minutes compared to everyone else who ranged from three to five minutes of time.That's because I think the whole purpose of this documentary was to portray Mangini as the most deserving one, justifying the choice, and making the transition to the new drummer the most digestful to the fans and least controversial as possible.
I actually found that funny as well, but only because I know that that is the 'forever alone' face. :lol
Reposted from locked thread:What do you mean by "suspicion"?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=19342.175
Everything I'm typing is just for speculation.
[Flame shield ON] :flame:
Mangini certainly impacted DT enough to win over all of the other guys who auditioned. I hope they move in a great direction with this new album, however I view Mangini as a bit cliché compared to Marco/Wildoer.
When discussing the choice of Marco/Wildoer/Mangini in EP3, JP alone seemed to give Wildoer the axe, without really giving much of a reason, other than "he wasn't on the same psychic level." That is fine, but then what of Minneman/Mangini? What made Marco not the right choice of the two? While watching Marco, I was really starting to feel confident that if he was chosen, we would get a younger, fresher, different approach to DT for the next album. I didn't really have those same idea's when watching Mangini audition. Marco/Wildoer felt like a different pair of shoes, so to speak, on the band. Mangini feels like same brand of shoe, just a bit different style; the 'safe' choice, without a lot of variation.
The next album will be excellent (i'm sure), Mangini will prove to be the best fit, and I will be wrong about everything above that I just typed. But for some reason I can't shake some of the suspicion about this.
^
I see that you know how to use All Caps.. but do you know how to turn it off?
Reposted from locked thread:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=19342.175
Everything I'm typing is just for speculation.
[Flame shield ON] :flame:
Mangini certainly impacted DT enough to win over all of the other guys who auditioned. I hope they move in a great direction with this new album, however I view Mangini as a bit cliché compared to Marco/Wildoer.
When discussing the choice of Marco/Wildoer/Mangini in EP3, JP alone seemed to give Wildoer the axe, without really giving much of a reason, other than "he wasn't on the same psychic level." That is fine, but then what of Minneman/Mangini? What made Marco not the right choice of the two? While watching Marco, I was really starting to feel confident that if he was chosen, we would get a younger, fresher, different approach to DT for the next album. I didn't really have those same idea's when watching Mangini audition. Marco/Wildoer felt like a different pair of shoes, so to speak, on the band. Mangini feels like same brand of shoe, just a bit different style; the 'safe' choice, without a lot of variation.
The next album will be excellent (i'm sure), Mangini will prove to be the best fit, and I will be wrong about everything above that I just typed. But for some reason I can't shake some of the suspicion about this.
Well, all I can say is that if Mike is entrusted to carry on the spirit then hopefully it turns out better than the spirit in the song... which got brutally and unexpectedly murdered twice.
My thoughts are that MM will definitely be able to put his stamp on the band's sound, and that already on the next album.Definitely.
Mangina
Just watched the 2nd and 3rd parts again with the wife. She didn't see them. it's great to have coffee, be lazy and watch these videos again with the wife. How cool is she that she loves this kind of stuff!!!
Just watched the 2nd and 3rd parts again with the wife. She didn't see them. it's great to have coffee, be lazy and watch these videos again with the wife. How cool is she that she loves this kind of stuff!!!
Awesome. How did she react to the end of part 3 when they revealed him and MM was so overwhelmed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxE2GGE6SDY
This is the best Mangini video :)
Kyo. You on the Progressive Ears forum? All that nonsense by scottbails. He's an ass.
Kyo. You on the Progressive Ears forum? All that nonsense by scottbails. He's an ass.
Yeah, I am. And I guess you do have a point about the guy! :lol
Just watched the 2nd and 3rd parts again with the wife. She didn't see them. it's great to have coffee, be lazy and watch these videos again with the wife. How cool is she that she loves this kind of stuff!!!
This... :azn:Just watched the 2nd and 3rd parts again with the wife. She didn't see them. it's great to have coffee, be lazy and watch these videos again with the wife. How cool is she that she loves this kind of stuff!!!
God, I hope my future wife will be like that.
found this online
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found this online
(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a323/ckychrisb/results.jpg)
she needs to stay on page...
Mangina
Mangina
Jamhet, in your short time here, you've already been warned about your posting habits. Throwing around derogatory names about a bandmember is surely not going to get you in anyone's good graces here. I strongly suggest you take a moment to review the forum rules because you are headed toward being shown the door.
Do we know for a fact that is Cove?They did the auditions in SIR, they are recording in Cove.
The call was made on November 5th. I guess it's possible that they were in the studio for some reason then.
Yes but do we know that the place they are sitting when making the call in the documentary is Cove?Do we know for a fact that is Cove?They did the auditions in SIR, they are recording in Cove.
The call was made on November 5th. I guess it's possible that they were in the studio for some reason then.
The call was made on November 5th.The new album is a concept album about V for Vedetta.
The phone call scene is definately from Cove (https://covecitysoundstudios.com/WP23/wp-content/gallery/studio/studio4.jpg)
Compare Petrucci's looks from the beginning of audition to the look that he has in the phone call scene (+plus the one that he has in the studio teaser scene)
10/18/2010: Drummer auditions begin. The auditions are held over a 3-day period. It is later revealed that 7 drummers auditioned. (Petrucci)
11/5/2010: Dream Theater notifies auditionees of the audition results. (Beartrucci)
Some where around 11/17/2010 ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPbiasKhh7s (Petrucci)
1/3/2011: Dream Theater enters the studio to begin work on DT's 11th album. (Beartrucci)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHMQjH17aw
Petrucci, Beartrucci, Petrucci, Beartrucci... Either he changes his beard style very often or the scene is fake...
The phone call scene is definately from Cove (https://covecitysoundstudios.com/WP23/wp-content/gallery/studio/studio4.jpg)
Compare Petrucci's looks from the beginning of audition to the look that he has in the phone call scene (+plus the one that he has in the studio teaser scene)
10/18/2010: Drummer auditions begin. The auditions are held over a 3-day period. It is later revealed that 7 drummers auditioned. (Petrucci)
11/5/2010: Dream Theater notifies auditionees of the audition results. (Beartrucci)
Some where around 11/17/2010 ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPbiasKhh7s (Petrucci)
1/3/2011: Dream Theater enters the studio to begin work on DT's 11th album. (Beartrucci)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHMQjH17aw
Petrucci, Beartrucci, Petrucci, Beartrucci... Either he changes his beard style very often or the scene is fake...
I reworked that a little bit so it is more clear and posted it on CJS's forum: https://www.jameslabrie.com/forum/index.php?topic=3157.msg18873#msg18873
Maybe I'll post it on JP's and Jordan's as well if James doesn't answer.
The phone call scene is definately from Cove (https://covecitysoundstudios.com/WP23/wp-content/gallery/studio/studio4.jpg)
Compare Petrucci's looks from the beginning of audition to the look that he has in the phone call scene (+plus the one that he has in the studio teaser scene)
10/18/2010: Drummer auditions begin. The auditions are held over a 3-day period. It is later revealed that 7 drummers auditioned. (Petrucci)
11/5/2010: Dream Theater notifies auditionees of the audition results. (Beartrucci)
Some where around 11/17/2010 ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPbiasKhh7s (Petrucci)
1/3/2011: Dream Theater enters the studio to begin work on DT's 11th album. (Beartrucci)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHMQjH17aw
Petrucci, Beartrucci, Petrucci, Beartrucci... Either he changes his beard style very often or the scene is fake...
I reworked that a little bit so it is more clear and posted it on CJS's forum: https://www.jameslabrie.com/forum/index.php?topic=3157.msg18873#msg18873
Maybe I'll post it on JP's and Jordan's as well if James doesn't answer.
"Hmm...our crack investigative team at DTF has uncovered more clues that have only led to more questions..."
:lol
I'll post it on JP's [forum].....
I would insist on JLP's hair lenght. It is noticebly longer in the phone scene than in the auditions photage. Yet, according to Peter, there are only 18 days between the audition and the announcement time (5.11), which is to say, about two weeks and a half. Would your hair grow about three inches in two weeks? Unlikely.The phone call scene is definately from Cove (https://covecitysoundstudios.com/WP23/wp-content/gallery/studio/studio4.jpg)
Compare Petrucci's looks from the beginning of audition to the look that he has in the phone call scene (+plus the one that he has in the studio teaser scene)
10/18/2010: Drummer auditions begin. The auditions are held over a 3-day period. It is later revealed that 7 drummers auditioned. (Petrucci)
11/5/2010: Dream Theater notifies auditionees of the audition results. (Beartrucci)
Some where around 11/17/2010 ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPbiasKhh7s (Petrucci)
1/3/2011: Dream Theater enters the studio to begin work on DT's 11th album. (Beartrucci)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHMQjH17aw
Petrucci, Beartrucci, Petrucci, Beartrucci... Either he changes his beard style very often or the scene is fake...
I reworked that a little bit so it is more clear and posted it on CJS's forum: https://www.jameslabrie.com/forum/index.php?topic=3157.msg18873#msg18873
Maybe I'll post it on JP's and Jordan's as well if James doesn't answer.