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Title: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: axeman90210 on April 13, 2011, 08:45:49 PM
https://wheresrandysavage.tumblr.com/ (https://wheresrandysavage.tumblr.com/)

Great uses of Photoshop, or best?
Title: Re: Just like my last girlfriend!
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on April 13, 2011, 08:56:19 PM
Nice idea, terrible layout.
Title: Re: Just like my last girlfriend!
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 13, 2011, 08:56:55 PM
Nice idea, terrible layout.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: axeman90210 on April 13, 2011, 09:07:59 PM
Nice idea, terrible layout.

yeah, they changed the layout at the beginning of the month, and it's a bit unfortunate. The old layout was much cleaner. Still though, I brave it for the wonderful pictures :lol
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: orcus116 on April 13, 2011, 09:12:37 PM
I lost it at this:

(https://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljeznu1HYP1qfhcapo1_r1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: SPNKr on April 13, 2011, 09:18:38 PM
I don't know who this guy is, but Ocean's Eleven and Wayne's World were pretty :lol :lol-tastic.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: Rina on April 13, 2011, 09:25:18 PM
Lol @ first one on that mess of a page.  :rollin
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 13, 2011, 10:14:50 PM
I don't know who this guy is

You little
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: KevShmev on April 13, 2011, 10:22:33 PM
I don't know who this guy is

Simply put, he is one of the best wrestling performers of all-time, and he was big back when wrestling was actually good (late 80s/90s).  In fact, after the Big Four of Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair, I'd put Savage in the next tier of all-time greats. 

Sadly, though, he is all but ignored by Vince McMahon and the WWE now, because he supposedly slept with Stephanie McMahon (HHH's current wife) back when she was like 18 or something, and Vince hates him for it.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 13, 2011, 10:24:02 PM
I don't know who this guy is

Simply put, he is one of the best wrestling performers of all-time, and he was big back when wrestling was actually good (late 80s/90s).  In fact, after the Big Four of Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair, I'd put Savage in the next tier of all-time greats. 

Sadly, though, he is all but ignored by Vince McMahon and the WWE now, because he supposedly slept with Stephanie McMahon (HHH's current wife) back when she was like 18 or something, and Vince hates him for it.


Haha I didn't know about the Stephanie McMahon thing.  Wow.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: SPNKr on April 13, 2011, 10:43:56 PM
Guys come on:
I don't know who this guy is

You little

I'm Australian!
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: sneakyblueberry on April 13, 2011, 10:46:43 PM
Guys come on:
I don't know who this guy is

You little

I'm Australian!

I'm New Zealandian and I know!  You're probably just a bit young.  Thats okay, I'll take you under my wing pal.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: SPNKr on April 13, 2011, 10:50:04 PM
^ Young but old mate. I think that's how I describe myself at 21.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: wolfking on April 13, 2011, 11:01:44 PM
I don't know who this guy is

Don't worry mate, you ain't missing anything.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: Dimitrius on April 13, 2011, 11:06:24 PM
^ Young but old mate. I think that's how I describe myself at 21.
I'm 21 and I know who he is...


Sadly, though, he is all but ignored by Vince McMahon and the WWE now, because he supposedly slept with Stephanie McMahon (HHH's current wife) back when she was like 18 or something, and Vince hates him for it.
Seriously?? I never heard this story before!
Title: Re: Ooh, yeah!
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on April 14, 2011, 12:37:16 AM
^ Young but old mate. I think that's how I describe myself at 21.
I'm 21 and I know who he is...


Sadly, though, he is all but ignored by Vince McMahon and the WWE now, because he supposedly slept with Stephanie McMahon (HHH's current wife) back when she was like 18 or something, and Vince hates him for it.
Seriously?? I never heard this story before!

Yeah, it's one of those things that people keep mum on, for pretty obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: kala1928 on April 14, 2011, 02:20:07 AM
I was thinking where in the world is Randy Savage.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: King Postwhore on April 14, 2011, 04:19:20 AM
Lot of mate talk going on in this thread.......OOOOOOOHHH YEEEAAAA!!!!    Needs more Macho talk.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 14, 2011, 09:43:24 AM
I don't know who this guy is

Simply put, he is one of the best wrestling performers of all-time, and he was big back when wrestling was actually good (late 80s/90s).  In fact, after the Big Four of Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair, I'd put Savage in the next tier of all-time greats. 
You'd rank him that high?  I don't get that.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on April 14, 2011, 09:43:54 AM
More importantly, I had no idea that Miss Elizabeth died.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: TheMadgician on April 14, 2011, 11:15:05 AM
https://vocaroo.com/?media=vlSKp1DvPJct2QeM2 (https://vocaroo.com/?media=vlSKp1DvPJct2QeM2)

Gentlemen, I present you with this.
Title: Re: Possible aliases: "Macho King" Randy Savage, Bonesaw McGraw, Randall Poffo
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on April 14, 2011, 11:16:27 AM
I was thinking where in the world is Randy Savage.

(https://api.ning.com/files/GYQaLOPi-XKBporu7abO-qmBbij4IH*4SL0ftdbTysXhKUMBXFiwMhala8jZrgmVwGaKabKhSMZJAlgzkVPO*k-kPWItGwQg/33c8yfr.jpg)

Gumshoes, Randy Savage is on the loose. He was last seen in Paris, dropping an elbow off the Eiffel Tower onto the Louvre and stealing the Mona Lisa. He was heard to say that he was "Heading to the Danger Zone, ooh yeah!". We need you to track him down using these clues!
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: wkiml on April 14, 2011, 11:17:20 AM
More importantly, I had no idea that Miss Elizabeth died.

Yea while living with Lex Luger...I believe he was brought up on Steroid charges after her death, but don't recall the outcome of the case
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: KevShmev on April 14, 2011, 11:22:13 AM
I don't know who this guy is

Simply put, he is one of the best wrestling performers of all-time, and he was big back when wrestling was actually good (late 80s/90s).  In fact, after the Big Four of Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair, I'd put Savage in the next tier of all-time greats.  
You'd rank him that high?  I don't get that.

Absolutely.  Actually, he was probably the original Mr. Wrestlemania (although he was never arrogant enough to call himself that, unlike that d-bag Shawn Michaels).  Almost every year, you could count on Randy Savage to deliver the best Wrestlemania match and/or be the talk when it was over:

III: his match with Ricky Steamboat is generally regarded as one of the best matches ever
IV: dominated by winning four matches to win the WWF title, although this WM probably didn't have one single great match
V: he lost to the title to Hogan, but looked like a million bucks doing it, as he made that match great
VI: this is the one exception, as he was stuck in a silly mixed tag with Sherri, Dusty Rhodes and Sapphire
VII: the retirement match vs. The Ultimate Warrior, a match that was awesome in every way possible (and the post-match stuff that went on turned Savage from a despised heel to a guy everyone loved again, in a matter of minutes)
VIII: tremendous match with Flair, which saw Savage win his second WWF title

It is hard to compare newer guys (from the mid 80s on) to older guys like Sammartino, Thesz, etc., but aside from Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair, whom would you put above Savage?  Not saying he is 5th best for sure, just that he is in that next tier with guys like Bret Hart, Michaels, etc.   His matches were always great, the fans always either totally loved him or hated him, and very few wrestlers had the amount of emotion that were in most of his matches.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: TheMadgician on April 14, 2011, 11:30:10 AM
This thread also needs more Macho Man Randy Savage soundboard

https://www.realmofdarkness.net/sounds/wrestling/machoman-soundboard.htm (https://www.realmofdarkness.net/sounds/wrestling/machoman-soundboard.htm)
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: Dimitrius on April 14, 2011, 01:51:05 PM
but aside from Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair, whom would you put above Savage?
Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Undertaker, and Triple H.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: Dr. DTVT on April 14, 2011, 02:18:53 PM
https://wheresrandysavage.tumblr.com/ (https://wheresrandysavage.tumblr.com/)

Great uses of Photoshop, or best?

Thank you for posting.  The Mega Man one was great, as were some of the other ones.


CAN YOU DIG IT!?
Title: Re: Where is our goddam Spinneroonie emoticon?!
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on April 14, 2011, 02:47:21 PM
https://wheresrandysavage.tumblr.com/ (https://wheresrandysavage.tumblr.com/)

Great uses of Photoshop, or best?

Thank you for posting.  The Mega Man one was great, as were some of the other ones.


CAN YOU DIG IT!?






 :yeahright










SUCKA!
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 14, 2011, 08:50:29 PM
but aside from Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair, whom would you put above Savage?
Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Undertaker, and Triple H.
All of those definitely, and probably more.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: axeman90210 on April 14, 2011, 09:02:45 PM
but aside from Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair, whom would you put above Savage?
Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Undertaker, and Triple H.

This, although to be honest, I'd put Shawn Michaels in that top tier.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: Dimitrius on April 14, 2011, 11:10:03 PM
but aside from Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair, whom would you put above Savage?
Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Undertaker, and Triple H.

This, although to be honest, I'd put Shawn Michaels in that top tier.
I'd do too, he's the greatest of all time, IMO.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2011, 12:32:23 AM
HHH?  Are you guys serious?  He wouldn't make my top 20, unless we are talking about guys who were very good at best, but booked themselves to look like the best ever because they married the boss' daughter. 

And Michaels the best ever?  Really?  I think he is slightly overrated simply because many of his great matches came at a time (recently) where great matches on a regular basis are pretty hard to come by, so the good ones stand out.  But guys like Flair, Bret Hart, etc. used to have matches as good as Michaels' best ones on a daily basis, but because great matches happened frequently back then, each one didn't get a big deal made out of them.  Plus, I can't say Michaels is the best ever (or even top 5) simply because of his chicken shit move of faking an injury to avoid putting Bret over at WM (after Bret had put him over at the previous WM), as well as his role in the Montreal Screwjob.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: Dimitrius on April 15, 2011, 12:38:58 AM
Which WM are you referring to? Because after WM 12 (where HBK beat him in the iron man match) they never faced each other in another WM. Where they suppose to meet at WM 13? I'm kinda hazy on those storylines, but didn't Bret started a rivalry with Austin that lead to their submission match on WM 13?
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: toro on April 15, 2011, 12:39:22 AM
I don't know but he banged Steph, I'd too.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2011, 12:45:54 AM
Which WM are you referring to? Because after WM 12 (where HBK beat him in the iron man match) they never faced each other in another WM.

I guess it was 13 then.  Michaels was gonna be booked to face Hart and lose the title back to him, but he faked an injury and gave his corny ass promo about having to find his smile to avoid doing so. 

And speaking of that iron man match, Michaels' behavior after winning is a great example of what a jerk he was.  Bret went to congratulate him before leaving the ring, and Michaels replied with, "Get the fuck out of the ring.  This is my moment."  Nice.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: Dimitrius on April 15, 2011, 12:54:12 AM
Oh god! :lol I remember that promo now.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 15, 2011, 01:09:27 AM
Who feels like snapping into a Slim-Jim?

Had no idea about the SM thing. Pretty funny and stupid at the same time.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: toro on April 15, 2011, 01:11:29 AM
Which WM are you referring to? Because after WM 12 (where HBK beat him in the iron man match) they never faced each other in another WM.

I guess it was 13 then.  Michaels was gonna be booked to face Hart and lose the title back to him, but he faked an injury and gave his corny ass promo about having to find his smile to avoid doing so. 


OH LOL. The one where he "cried" like a little bitch?
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 15, 2011, 02:51:57 AM
HHH?  Are you guys serious?  He wouldn't make my top 20, unless we are talking about guys who were very good at best, but booked themselves to look like the best ever because they married the boss' daughter. 
No, HHH is definitely great.  He has competed at the highest level for a long, long time against the very best in the business.  He can do it all.

And Michaels the best ever?  Really?  I think he is slightly overrated simply because many of his great matches came at a time (recently) where great matches on a regular basis are pretty hard to come by, so the good ones stand out.  But guys like Flair, Bret Hart, etc. used to have matches as good as Michaels' best ones on a daily basis, but because great matches happened frequently back then, each one didn't get a big deal made out of them. 
I don't think you can berate Michaels for a dearth of great matches if you're including Hogan in your Top 5.  Let's keep the playing field level, because Hogan couldn't have a great match if he attended one.
Title: Re: Sexy Boy not withstanding.
Post by: LeeHarveyKennedy on April 15, 2011, 02:55:54 AM
HHH?  Are you guys serious?  He wouldn't make my top 20, unless we are talking about guys who were very good at best, but booked themselves to look like the best ever because they married the boss' daughter. 
No, HHH is definitely great.  He has competed at the highest level for a long, long time against the very best in the business.  He can do it all.

And Michaels the best ever?  Really?  I think he is slightly overrated simply because many of his great matches came at a time (recently) where great matches on a regular basis are pretty hard to come by, so the good ones stand out.  But guys like Flair, Bret Hart, etc. used to have matches as good as Michaels' best ones on a daily basis, but because great matches happened frequently back then, each one didn't get a big deal made out of them. 
I don't think you can berate Michaels for a dearth of great matches if you're including Hogan in your Top 5.  Let's keep the playing field level, because Hogan couldn't have a great match if he attended one.

Way too many words, hef. All you had to say was this: Michaels and HHH never made a rap album like Be A Man.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2011, 08:47:42 AM
HHH?  Are you guys serious?  He wouldn't make my top 20, unless we are talking about guys who were very good at best, but booked themselves to look like the best ever because they married the boss' daughter. 
No, HHH is definitely great.  He has competed at the highest level for a long, long time against the very best in the business.  He can do it all.
 

That same thing could be said about Randy Savage.  It might be true about HHH, but he still got there and stayed there because he was married to Stephanie McMahon.  That taints his legacy quite a bit, IMO.


And Michaels the best ever?  Really?  I think he is slightly overrated simply because many of his great matches came at a time (recently) where great matches on a regular basis are pretty hard to come by, so the good ones stand out.  But guys like Flair, Bret Hart, etc. used to have matches as good as Michaels' best ones on a daily basis, but because great matches happened frequently back then, each one didn't get a big deal made out of them. 
I don't think you can berate Michaels for a dearth of great matches if you're including Hogan in your Top 5.  Let's keep the playing field level, because Hogan couldn't have a great match if he attended one.

That is not true at all.  First off, Hogan actually had plenty of great matches, and secondly, Hogan actually could wrestle, as he always showed when he wrestled in Japan, but he didn't here in the States because fans didn't want to see him wrestle.  They wanted to see his pound an opponent into oblivion with fists, body slams, the boot to the face and the legdrop.  Besides, Hogan was like the most over wrestler ever in the 80s, so I have to question the sense of anyone who doesn't put him in not only the top 5, but the top 3. ;)  I mean, if we are basing it off of wrestling ability and great matches, then we can't put legends like Austin and The Rock up there either, right?
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 15, 2011, 09:22:17 AM
Hogan was the biggest case of "right person, right place, right time" or "lightning in a bottle" in wrestling history.  He couldn't wrestle his way out of a paper bag.  I've seen some (admittedly not much) footage of him wrestling in Japan, and remain unimpressed.  IMO he wasn't much different than the Ultimate Warrior - he just wasn't batshit crazy like UW and knew how to make the most of his opportunities.

If I was ranking the most important wrestlers in history, I would surely rank him at or near the top.  But he couldn't crack the top 20 if I were ranking the BEST wrestlers in history.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2011, 10:16:04 AM
hef, I usually agree with you, but I think you are way off base here.  

Did you actually watch wrestling in the 80s?  Hogan was similar to the Ultimate Warrior in that both were big strong guys who beat their opponents by simply overpowering them, but while the fans were nuts for the Warrior for a while, Hogan was over like no one else has ever been (except for probably Austin and maybe The Rock).  All he had to do was rip his shirt off and the fans went absolutely bananas.  Every single time.  Heels became hated big time simply by feuding with him.  Sure, his act got a bit tired in the early 90s, but for a 6 or 7 year stretch, Hogan owned the wrestling world like no one else ever has.  And to his credit, when the fans in WCW never really went crazy over him, he reinvented himself as the hated heel, Hollywood Hogan.

And to suggest that he was in the right place at the right time has it backwards.  Hogan didn't just happened to be the guy there when wrestling was on the way up; he was the main reason WHY wrestling's popularity went through the roof in the mid 80s.  Okay, Vince McMahon's vision was the other major reason, but without Hogan, it would have taken a lot longer for McMahon to realize his vision of making the WWF a national thing, instead of it remaining regional like the NWA.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: Dimitrius on April 15, 2011, 10:32:42 AM
HHH?  Are you guys serious?  He wouldn't make my top 20, unless we are talking about guys who were very good at best, but booked themselves to look like the best ever because they married the boss' daughter. 
No, HHH is definitely great.  He has competed at the highest level for a long, long time against the very best in the business.  He can do it all.
 

That same thing could be said about Randy Savage.  It might be true about HHH, but he still got there and stayed there because he was married to Stephanie McMahon.  That taints his legacy quite a bit, IMO.
That might be a little true, but the WWE was gonna give Triple H a main event push before the events of the "curtain call" (and this was before Triple H and Stephanie were a thing). WWE couldn't punish Hall and Nash because they were leaving for the WCW, they couldn't punish HBK because he was the top guy in the company, so Triple H received the punishment. Got turned into a jobber, and as he was booked to win the KotR that year, they gave it to Stone Cold, who won, gave birth to Austin 3:16 and the rest is history. So maybe his marriage to Stephanie (and his lovely corner view office in Stamford) has some to do with his continued success, but it's not all.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2011, 01:38:53 PM
That is all mostly true, but getting a main event push and becoming the one constant main event star for over 10 years is another.  I mean, Jack Swagger was given a main event push last year. :lol I am not saying Helmsley wouldn't have been a star without marrying the boss' daughter, but you can't tell me that isn't why he remained at the top for so long.  Like I said before, he is very good, but he is no Hogan, Savage, Flair, Hart, Michaels, Rock or Austin.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: axeman90210 on April 15, 2011, 10:54:44 PM

And Michaels the best ever?  Really?  I think he is slightly overrated simply because many of his great matches came at a time (recently) where great matches on a regular basis are pretty hard to come by, so the good ones stand out.  But guys like Flair, Bret Hart, etc. used to have matches as good as Michaels' best ones on a daily basis, but because great matches happened frequently back then, each one didn't get a big deal made out of them.  Plus, I can't say Michaels is the best ever (or even top 5) simply because of his chicken shit move of faking an injury to avoid putting Bret over at WM (after Bret had put him over at the previous WM), as well as his role in the Montreal Screwjob.

I guess that behind the scenes stuff never bothered me because I was a young (~7) HBK fan and had no idea what happened when it went down, and didn't hear about it until years later. Also, I don't know how much I blame him for Montreal , if the boss was determined to take the belt off Bret, what was he supposed to do (although denying involvement afterwards was a bit chickenshit). Going back from Wrestlemania 19, if you compiled a list of the best Wrestlemania matches it would largely consist of his matches (Jericho, Angle, Flair, Undertaker x2), he even got a great match out of Cena (although their rematch on Raw that went for an hour was even better), and that doesn't even begin to touch all the great stuff he did before his back injury. Maybe I missed out on seeing all the guys that routinely had great matches back in the late 80s/early 90s, but all I know is that I don't think the Rock, Stone Cold, or Hogan's best match would be good enough to crack Shawn's top 5..
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 16, 2011, 06:14:17 AM
Did you actually watch wrestling in the 80s?
Oh, yes.  But I was an NWA fan a lot more than the WWF.  I mean, I watched WWF, but at the time, there was no way to attend the WWF (they didn't tour in the South at the time, and even for years afterward), whereas I could attend an NWA show whenever I wanted.  But like I said, I watched it on TV, and I can assure you that although the WWF had better TV production values, and glitz and bling, the level of actual wrestling ability was much, much higher in the NWA.  Of course, it could easily be argued that by the time we got to the early-to-mid 90s, that had reversed, especially with Turner's acquisition of the NWA and transforming it into WCW.

Hogan was similar to the Ultimate Warrior in that both were big strong guys who beat their opponents by simply overpowering them, but while the fans were nuts for the Warrior for a while, Hogan was over like no one else has ever been (except for probably Austin and maybe The Rock).  All he had to do was rip his shirt off and the fans went absolutely bananas.  Every single time.  Heels became hated big time simply by feuding with him.
Well, I'm not arguing with any of that.  And I think his level of popularity was actually higher than Austin and Rock - they were just the closest thing to it that we've seen since.

Sure, his act got a bit tired in the early 90s, but for a 6 or 7 year stretch, Hogan owned the wrestling world like no one else ever has.  And to his credit, when the fans in WCW never really went crazy over him, he reinvented himself as the hated heel, Hollywood Hogan.
Yes, again no argument.  He was incredibly cognizant and aware of every part of the business outside of the ring.  What to do, when to do it, marketing, booking, all of it.

And to suggest that he was in the right place at the right time has it backwards.  Hogan didn't just happened to be the guy there when wrestling was on the way up; he was the main reason WHY wrestling's popularity went through the roof in the mid 80s.  Okay, Vince McMahon's vision was the other major reason, but without Hogan, it would have taken a lot longer for McMahon to realize his vision of making the WWF a national thing, instead of it remaining regional like the NWA.
Hogan was a larger than life personality and guy who was given a push at the same time McMahon started his vision of Wrestlemania, bringing in celebrities and MTV at the same time.  It was a confluence of events at the right time, and he was the guy.  People became Hulk Hogan fans who didn't even follow wrestling.  I remember it well.  He made his remergence in the WWF in December 1983, and they gave him the belt in January 1984, Gorilla Monsoon said "Hulkamania is here!", McMahon started syndicating WWF programming in areas outside his traditional Northeast territory, then came the Rock N' Wrestling connection, and then Wrestlemania with Mr. T, Muhammad Ali, and Liberace.  Hogan was undoubtedly a star (see his time in the AWA, when he was screwed out of being champion by Verne Gagne), but the level he reached was due to a multitude of other things, not just him and his ability.

Long story short - Ric Flair baby  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: King Postwhore on April 16, 2011, 06:42:53 AM
I quote radio listeners on a sports radio station in Boston whenever the wresting fan, Jim The Wrestling Goon comes on, "It's Fake you goof".

Oh and I saw Superfly Jimmy Snuka with the Wild Samoans in a tag team match in the  80's.  Yea, I loved it back then.
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2011, 10:35:16 AM
Ah, that's right, hef, I forgot about where you live affecting your view of Hogan, the NWA, etc.  You living in the south, which was a major NWA stronghold, says it all. ;)  It seemed like the big NWA fans in the 80s really disliked everything about the WWF at the time (I remember how PWI and the other major wrestling magazines were so slanted towards the NWA, but the again, considering that McMahon wouldn't allow his wrestlers to be interviewed by them, I can't say I blamed them).  At the time, I enjoyed both; the flash and glitz of the WWF was neat, as was the old school feel and look of the NWA, especially since I grew up watching Wrestling at the Chase on Sunday mornings. :hat

I totally agree that Hogan didn't do it all himself, but like I said before, McMahon's vision wouldn't have taken off so quickly without him.  It was perfect timing that McMahon was taking over just as Hogan was getting fed up with getting constantly screwed over by the AWA.

axeman, Michaels' denial of involvement was mostly what I was talking about before.  McMahon at least owned up to it immediately afterwards, but Michaels and HHH acted like gutless cowards backstage following the match, like they had nothing to do with it.  Michaels even swore to Bret in the locker room that he had no idea and that his hands were clean. :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: Where is Randy Savage?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 16, 2011, 12:33:29 PM
Ah, that's right, hef, I forgot about where you live affecting your view of Hogan, the NWA, etc.  You living in the south, which was a major NWA stronghold, says it all. ;)  It seemed like the big NWA fans in the 80s really disliked everything about the WWF at the time (I remember how PWI and the other major wrestling magazines were so slanted towards the NWA, but the again, considering that McMahon wouldn't allow his wrestlers to be interviewed by them, I can't say I blamed them).  At the time, I enjoyed both; the flash and glitz of the WWF was neat, as was the old school feel and look of the NWA, especially since I grew up watching Wrestling at the Chase on Sunday mornings. :hat
TBH, the history of pro wrestling is fascinating.  The NWA was at one time a confederation of otherwise independent regional wrestling promotions, each with its own champ (including, at one time, the WWF!), and the World Champion toured the various promotions defending the title.  The NWA board of directors (made up of the individuals who ran the various independent promotions) did the World Championship booking, but the champ had to also go along with it.  However, Flair was really the last champ to work under those conditions, as Jim Crockett, the owner of Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling, slowly bought out most of the other regional promotions to try to make the NWA a cohesive organization.  In those days, the champ had to put up $25,000 bond on the championship belt - that's why Flair took the belt with him when he went to the WWF, because the NWA wouldn't give him back his cash (and never did).
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 16, 2011, 12:39:38 PM
That was around the time the Big Gold Belt was first introduced, right?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 16, 2011, 01:26:04 PM
That was around the time the Big Gold Belt was first introduced, right?
No, that belt was introduced in 1985.  But Flair took it with him to the WWF in 1991, calling himself "the REAL World Champion."
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Post by: Tick on April 16, 2011, 03:36:14 PM
I don't know who this guy is

Simply put, he is one of the best wrestling performers of all-time, and he was big back when wrestling was actually good (late 80s/90s).  In fact, after the Big Four of Hogan, Austin, Rock and Flair, I'd put Savage in the next tier of all-time greats. 

Sadly, though, he is all but ignored by Vince McMahon and the WWE now, because he supposedly slept with Stephanie McMahon (HHH's current wife) back when she was like 18 or something, and Vince hates him for it.
You left out a couple old school legends who must be mentioned. Andre The Giant and Bruno Samartino!
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Post by: axeman90210 on April 16, 2011, 11:07:33 PM
axeman, Michaels' denial of involvement was mostly what I was talking about before.  McMahon at least owned up to it immediately afterwards, but Michaels and HHH acted like gutless cowards backstage following the match, like they had nothing to do with it.  Michaels even swore to Bret in the locker room that he had no idea and that his hands were clean. :tdwn :tdwn

That's fair. I think that not finding out about what went down until *years* afterwards kind of dampened whatever impact learning about the screwjob had on my view of HBK. At the same time, that doesn't detract from what he could do between the ropes, and I don't think any of your big 4 besides Flair in his prime can touch him on in-ring ability.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 17, 2011, 03:54:48 AM
axeman, Michaels' denial of involvement was mostly what I was talking about before.  McMahon at least owned up to it immediately afterwards, but Michaels and HHH acted like gutless cowards backstage following the match, like they had nothing to do with it.  Michaels even swore to Bret in the locker room that he had no idea and that his hands were clean. :tdwn :tdwn

That's fair. I think that not finding out about what went down until *years* afterwards kind of dampened whatever impact learning about the screwjob had on my view of HBK. At the same time, that doesn't detract from what he could do between the ropes, and I don't think any of your big 4 besides Flair in his prime can touch him on in-ring ability.
I agree.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 17, 2011, 09:18:56 AM
axeman, Michaels' denial of involvement was mostly what I was talking about before.  McMahon at least owned up to it immediately afterwards, but Michaels and HHH acted like gutless cowards backstage following the match, like they had nothing to do with it.  Michaels even swore to Bret in the locker room that he had no idea and that his hands were clean. :tdwn :tdwn

That's fair. I think that not finding out about what went down until *years* afterwards kind of dampened whatever impact learning about the screwjob had on my view of HBK. At the same time, that doesn't detract from what he could do between the ropes, and I don't think any of your big 4 besides Flair in his prime can touch him on in-ring ability.

Okay, but few could touch Curt Hennig when it came to in-ring ability either, but he was never the world champion in the WWF or WCW/NWA.  In other words, when discussing the best of all-time in pro wrestling, you have to look at a lot more than just in-ring ability.  I mean, if in-ring ability was the end-all be-all, how did Hogan rule the wrestling world for so long?

Also, I forgot to address this yesterday:

Going back from Wrestlemania 19, if you compiled a list of the best Wrestlemania matches it would largely consist of his matches (Jericho, Angle, Flair, Undertaker x2), he even got a great match out of Cena (although their rematch on Raw that went for an hour was even better), and that doesn't even begin to touch all the great stuff he did before his back injury. Maybe I missed out on seeing all the guys that routinely had great matches back in the late 80s/early 90s, but all I know is that I don't think the Rock, Stone Cold, or Hogan's best match would be good enough to crack Shawn's top 5..

First off, having most of the best matches in every WM since 19 isn't saying much since great matches are really hard to come by anymore.  That is not taking away from Michaels' performance in some of those matches (the first Undertaker, Jericho and Angle matches were all terrific; the Flair one was average, yet everyone nutted over it just because it was Flair's last WWE match), but just saying that very few guys are giving us great matches anymore.  I mean, look at this year's WM: no Michaels, and while there were a few very good matches, not one came close to being great. 

As for your last point there, I disagree.  The Austin/Bret Hart submission match is as great as any match I've ever seen Michaels have.  In fact, if I had to do a top 5 matches list, not sure any Michaels match would be on there.  Bret Hart would have two (the Austin one and the SummerSlam one vs. Curt Hennig), and I could almost put all three matches Flair and Ricky Steamboat had in early '89.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 17, 2011, 11:48:20 AM
Yes, those Flair/Steamboat matches were among the best of all time.
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Post by: Tick on April 17, 2011, 07:56:13 PM
BOB BACKLUND! :metal